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| [00:02:06] | EvilGuru: | I have been playing around with myth on my mac today and it seems a bit more sluggish than the Linux one |
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| [00:21:30] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Made the cosmetic and compilation modifications of the youtube plugin. will now compile aside the other plugins, installs properly, and includes patches for the themes. Also layed out the widescreen version of the UI instead of it being the 4:3 version. Replaced the graphic with a more attractive one, removed the Mythnews graphic. You should try it. |
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| [01:05:02] | wahrhaft: | hello, does anybody know whatever happened to mythpython? |
| [01:05:20] | wahrhaft: | is it still in development somewhere, completely dead, planned for the future, etc? |
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| [01:18:53] | wagnerrp: | HAHA |
| [01:19:08] | wagnerrp: | woot had trojens and a dildo |
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| [01:23:12] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard anything of mythpython since last year |
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| [01:45:20] | Lexridge: | Okay, I've had something strange happen. My two tuner cards have swapped positions. What used to be /dev/video0 is now /dev/video1 and viseversa. Any ideas how to correct this...it has MythTV all confused! |
| [01:46:13] | wagnerrp: | well it just has to do with what order ivtv loads them |
| [01:46:24] | Lexridge: | why would it change all the sudden? |
| [01:46:25] | wagnerrp: | if ANYTHING had changed in your attached hardware |
| [01:46:30] | wagnerrp: | your board can reorder things |
| [01:46:52] | Lexridge: | is this a common issue among mythtv users with multiple cards? |
| [01:47:14] | wagnerrp: | both my analog tuners are on the same source |
| [01:47:22] | wagnerrp: | so if it happened to me, i wouldnt notice |
| [01:47:57] | Lexridge: | I have one card using s-video in from Dish network, and now it selecting the wrong card for s-video input. I guess then the only fix is to delete the cards from mythtv-setup and rebuild. |
| [01:48:16] | wagnerrp: | not so |
| [01:48:23] | wagnerrp: | just go into mythtv-setup and swap the sources |
| [01:48:38] | Lexridge: | oh, I can do that? |
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| [01:48:47] | wagnerrp: | all information is stored by source, not by card |
| [01:48:57] | Lexridge: | right, okay. |
| [01:49:04] | Lexridge: | I'll try that. thx |
| [01:49:33] | wagnerrp: | under Input Connections |
| [01:50:06] | Lexridge: | okay |
| [01:50:50] | Lexridge: | cool, done and it worked. thank you! |
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| [01:57:33] | my2keh: | yo |
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| [02:02:49] | destructar: | I'm running mythtv 0.21in ubuntu 8.04... no problems until recently: when i start to watch a recorded program it runs in slow motion |
| [02:03:08] | destructar: | i then have to adjust time stretch in order to get it playing correctly |
| [02:03:25] | destructar: | can't tell if this is a bug or if there might be a setting i'm over looking... seems to be pretty random |
| [02:03:59] | destructar: | sometimes a show will start in slow motion, i'll escape out, start playing it again and it plays full speed. very odd |
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| [02:08:20] | thatdood: | are you using an external player? |
| [02:08:34] | destructar: | no |
| [02:09:45] | thatdood: | anything in your frontend log file that might give ya a clue? |
| [02:10:38] | destructar: | checking |
| [02:13:17] | destructar: | nothing unusual in the log file that i can see |
| [02:14:16] | thatdood: | so ya first start it up, go to liveTV and it plays in slo-mo, and if you escape back to the menu, and reenter live tv it plays normally? |
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| [02:15:18] | destructar: | no... first start up, go to media library > watch recordings > [play_tv_show] |
| [02:15:55] | destructar: | and it runs in 0.45 time stretch |
| [02:17:01] | destructar: | so then i have to hit the 'a' key, then the 'p' key to pause, then 'p' again to play, then up arrow to start adjusting the time stretch... at which point all arrow keys allow for time stretch adjusting |
| [02:17:07] | destructar: | this all happened suddenly |
| [02:17:22] | destructar: | i've been running fine with no issues for months |
| [02:18:38] | thatdood: | strange |
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| [02:19:53] | destructar: | stranger still is the fact that time stretch is set to 100 (full speed) for the default playback group |
| [02:26:37] | thatdood: | im lookin around... is there a recording profile that could be screwing you up? |
| [02:26:56] | destructar: | that could be possible... let me check that |
| [02:27:06] | destructar: | i'm also working on one other issue btw: tearing. |
| [02:27:21] | destructar: | just enabled restricted drivers for my card and now i've got lots of tearing... very annoying |
| [02:28:35] | destructar: | none of the recording groups seem wrong |
| [02:28:41] | destructar: | *recording profiles |
| [02:28:48] | thatdood: | hmmmm |
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| [02:31:21] | thatdood: | the time stretch being set to 100 is the only thing i can think of for playback |
| [02:31:42] | thatdood: | how many playback profiles do you have? are they all set to 100 for time stretch? |
| [02:32:17] | destructar: | just 2.... they're both set to default currently but i've also tried 100 |
| [02:33:21] | thatdood: | this start happening after changing driver as well? |
| [02:33:26] | thatdood: | this and the tearing? |
| [02:33:30] | destructar: | no |
| [02:33:38] | destructar: | the tearing after the driver |
| [02:34:08] | destructar: | the playback time stretch, from what i can recall, started happening after i attempted to set up the backend for firewire cable recording |
| [02:34:28] | destructar: | which worked, except i have crapcast and they have all but 11 channels encrypted |
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| [02:35:00] | destructar: | so i started from scratch for the capture cards |
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| [02:35:10] | thatdood: | never used firewire, just remember seeing some setting in there about firewire reset or something like that |
| [02:35:11] | destructar: | and now i only use an over the air antenna with hdhomerun |
| [02:35:29] | iamlindoro: | Did you set "Use video as timebase" in TV Playback? |
| [02:35:30] | destructar: | it's pretty sweet except for the encryption |
| [02:35:35] | destructar: | yes i've tried that |
| [02:35:39] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:35:42] | iamlindoro: | you *don't* want that |
| [02:35:45] | thatdood: | think mine is unchecked |
| [02:35:49] | destructar: | well currently mine is unchecked |
| [02:35:51] | iamlindoro: | you want it off, that's what I'm getting at, that will warp your audio |
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| [02:37:18] | destructar: | about the tearing issue: i think it isn't related to the drivers, but rather to compiz |
| [02:37:27] | destructar: | i might be wrong, but it seemed to start after installing compiz |
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| [02:38:47] | thatdood: | i remember seeing many posts saying to turn it off. i dont use it on my mythbox. |
| [02:39:02] | thatdood: | can try that, and see if it keeps tearing |
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| [02:40:45] | destructar: | yea i'm going to disable it... i'm pretty sure it's causing the tearing issue |
| [02:40:51] | SHADOW__X: | hello everybody |
| [02:40:52] | SHADOW__X: | its me |
| [02:40:54] | SHADOW__X: | dr nick |
| [02:41:02] | destructar: | the time stretch is blowing my mind though |
| [02:41:26] | SHADOW__X: | how is everyone doing today |
| [02:41:52] | thatdood: | who knows, maybe getting rid of compiz will fix that issue too lol |
| [02:42:47] | destructar: | that would be nice... find out in a few seconds |
| [02:42:54] | thatdood: | X, brain dead after spending all day getting lirc to work right lol |
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| [02:43:37] | SHADOW__X: | hey thatdood sometimes thats the the fun |
| [02:43:46] | SHADOW__X: | right down what you did so next time you learns |
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| [02:44:05] | thatdood: | i zipped up all the files i changed and put em on a CD lol |
| [02:44:16] | SHADOW__X: | thats good |
| [02:45:15] | thatdood: | what was driving me nuts was i could see the remote functioning fine in irw, but myth wouldnt do jack squat. |
| [02:45:43] | destructar: | hmm... perhaps this was the issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=671790 |
| [02:45:50] | destructar: | syntovblank was disabled |
| [02:45:57] | destructar: | that might be causing the tearing issues... not compiz |
| [02:47:29] | thatdood: | you tryin it out now? |
| [02:47:46] | destructar: | yea... found that after uninstalling compiz lol |
| [02:47:49] | destructar: | reinstalling now |
| [02:48:09] | thatdood: | so after uninstalling compiz it was still tearing i take it |
| [02:48:33] | destructar: | not sure... i uninstalled but didn't restart so compiz settings were still in effect |
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| [02:49:11] | destructar: | didn't retry video... i want to see if i can get it to stop tearing with compiz... doesn't make sense to have to do without compiz due to tearing... has to be a work around |
| [02:49:21] | destructar: | not that compiz is essential |
| [02:49:31] | SHADOW__X: | tearing? |
| [02:49:43] | thatdood: | not for watching tv haha |
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| [02:50:30] | destructar: | true... i just use this as my main media center... but i like screwing with the effects and show my non-geek friends to make them jealous |
| [02:51:25] | destructar: | i'm using a lcd tv though and i could swear that you aren't supposed to use sync to vblank on lcd... |
| [02:51:42] | destructar: | although maybe i have that backwards and sync to vblank IS for lcd tvs? |
| [02:53:57] | destructar: | crap... still have tearing isues |
| [02:54:14] | destructar: | doesn't make sense... tearing doesn't happen for the compiz cube effect or moving windows around or anything else |
| [02:54:16] | destructar: | just for video |
| [02:54:28] | destructar: | perhaps the deinterlace settings? |
| [02:54:51] | thatdood: | a post im reading is talking about it being a bug in composite manager |
| [02:54:59] | destructar: | oh |
| [02:55:10] | destructar: | well that sucks |
| [02:55:14] | thatdood: | "The problem dissapears entirely if I turn of the Composite Extensions." |
| [02:56:19] | thatdood: | try switching off composite |
| [02:56:26] | destructar: | how do you turn off the composite extensions? |
| [02:56:36] | destructar: | ... is it referring to compiz? |
| [02:58:18] | thatdood: | hmmm |
| [02:58:21] | thatdood: | "Managed to completely remove the tearing issue by dropping the lcd refresh rate incrementally from 60Hz, got down to 54Hz and during the fast action there is no no tearing at all." |
| [02:58:41] | thatdood: | "Removing any vblank sync on nvidia driver completely removed the jerky video too. No tears, smooth video playback. Brilliant." |
| [02:58:55] | destructar: | weird |
| [02:59:20] | destructar: | the other post i read says to enable it... also when vblank was disabled windows etc. would tear |
| [02:59:31] | destructar: | enabled windows, cube effect etc. doesn't tear |
| [02:59:59] | thatdood: | all the experts must be sleeping hehe |
| [03:00:47] | destructar: | here is how you disable the composite exnetion |
| [03:00:47] | destructar: | http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_ . . . te_Extension |
| [03:01:56] | thatdood: | nothing like making it easy. haha |
| [03:02:38] | destructar: | no composite extensions in my xorg.conf file |
| [03:02:41] | destructar: | so that's not the issue |
| [03:04:01] | destructar: | ok i'm going to uninstall compiz and see if that fixes the tearing issue... not worth my time in this instance |
| [03:05:33] | destructar: | he funniest part about all this is, i pretty much only use mythtv to record the simpsons |
| [03:06:00] | destructar: | i should just bittorrent the whole series and be done with it... but where's the fun in that?? ;) |
| [03:06:40] | destructar: | although, once lost and heroes and the NFL starts up again it will be getting some more use... but still, you get my point. i really hate television |
| [03:10:11] | destructar: | damn it i uninstalled my window manager |
| [03:10:12] | destructar: | lol |
| [03:11:59] | thatdood: | hehe |
| [03:12:05] | thatdood: | but is the tearing gone now? |
| [03:12:25] | destructar: | beats me i can't even get to a terminal... now i have to figure out how to reinstall my windows manager |
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| [03:18:42] | clever: | i have both metacity(gnome) and compiz installed at all times(on the system that can handle compiz) |
| [03:18:59] | clever: | i can easily switch back and forth without restarting x |
| [03:20:12] | SHADOW__X: | alt f2? |
| [03:20:38] | clever: | i think those shortcuts are all done thru the window manager |
| [03:21:00] | destructar: | well... i'm not sure wtf i did |
| [03:21:07] | destructar: | i'm reinstalling compiz and hopefull that will fix things |
| [03:21:25] | clever: | ive manualy put a working x session together before |
| [03:21:28] | destructar: | i mean... ctrl+alt+del won't even work |
| [03:21:39] | clever: | yeah the X server eats the ctrl+alt+del |
| [03:21:46] | clever: | you need to ctrl+alt+f1 first |
| [03:21:52] | destructar: | i see |
| [03:23:18] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
| [03:23:43] | clever: | and theres no need to uninstall compiz to switch it off |
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| [03:25:20] | destructar: | i see |
| [03:25:26] | destructar: | how do you turn it off? |
| [03:25:38] | clever: | in ubuntu you just go system->pref->appearance |
| [03:26:00] | destructar: | oh... right... i actually knew that |
| [03:26:05] | destructar: | thanks :) |
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| [03:27:38] | destructar: | that seems to have fixed the tearing issue |
| [03:27:59] | destructar: | as for the time problem... i think i have bigger issues to deal with |
| [03:28:02] | destructar: | can't watch live tv |
| [03:28:14] | clever: | my livetv is allways buggy |
| [03:28:16] | destructar: | something definitely got screwed up here at some point |
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| [03:28:31] | destructar: | livetv won't even start for me righ t now |
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| [03:28:47] | destructar: | ugh... i take back the tearing being fixed statement |
| [03:29:07] | clever: | ive noticed some tearing on my fastest system |
| [03:29:12] | thatdood: | well, go reinstall compiz heh |
| [03:29:19] | clever: | its also got the highest res |
| [03:29:21] | clever: | 1440x900 |
| [03:29:39] | clever: | it just seems like even a c2d strugles to update that much screen so fast |
| [03:30:26] | destructar: | that sucks |
| [03:31:03] | clever: | the lack of a harddrive may also have an impact:P |
| [03:31:48] | destructar: | i think my hardware should be solid enough to play back simpsons episodes without tearing though... especially since i haven't seen this until recently |
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| [03:32:19] | clever: | wee |
| [03:32:23] | clever: | segfault! |
| [03:32:40] | destructar: | i've got an amd x2 something or other (fairly fast processor), 4 gigs of ram and an nvidia 6600 |
| [03:33:20] | destructar: | going to disable restricted drivers for nvidia... bet this fixes the tearing completely |
| [03:33:25] | clever: | MemTotal: 1034108 kB |
| [03:34:30] | thatdood: | im using the restricted drivers and mine doesnt tear |
| [03:37:21] | SHADOW__X: | what do you mean by tear |
| [03:37:46] | destructar: | restricted driver removed, tearing completely gone |
| [03:38:16] | thatdood: | veddy interesting grasshoppah |
| [03:38:38] | thatdood: | i'll have to remember that if i have that issue |
| [03:38:38] | destructar: | indeed |
| [03:38:40] | clever: | im using nvidia_new.ko on this system |
| [03:38:53] | thatdood: | tho i am using a 7950GT |
| [03:39:06] | destructar: | that's most likely the major difference |
| [03:39:17] | clever: | i had to dysect the module loading today just to get X going |
| [03:39:28] | clever: | one of the scripts was using -Q on modprobe to make it super quiet |
| [03:39:31] | destructar: | strangely though: i get tearing when moving windows around quickly |
| [03:39:35] | destructar: | just not for video |
| [03:39:36] | clever: | so i never saw the error |
| [03:39:41] | clever: | lol |
| [03:39:45] | destructar: | but whatever i can deal with window tearing |
| [03:39:56] | clever: | compiz would 'fix' that by putting the entire window into its own texture |
| [03:39:58] | thatdood: | no you cant, how you gonna show off now? |
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| [03:40:10] | clever: | and then use the 3d core to assemble the windows |
| [03:40:35] | destructar: | oh i see |
| [03:40:58] | clever: | without compiz the X server has to move the large windows arround like bmp images |
| [03:40:59] | destructar: | thatdood: good point... i'll just stop inviting non-geeks over |
| [03:41:06] | clever: | which gets complex |
| [03:43:02] | destructar: | SHADOW_X: read about tearing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_tearing |
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| [03:44:01] | destructar: | so: tearing is fixed but time stretch is still slow randomly |
| [03:44:10] | destructar: | *sigh* very very frustrating |
| [03:44:26] | destructar: | i'm off to bed, i'll have to do more research on this later |
| [03:44:30] | destructar: | thanks for the help all |
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| [03:58:15] | moj0rising: | Hi. I'm having some trouble with mythstream.... |
| [03:58:26] | moj0rising: | I checked the documentation at http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/howto/myth . . . ll.html#menu |
| [03:58:33] | moj0rising: | and the myth documentation... |
| [03:58:50] | moj0rising: | as well as mythdora forums and more.. |
| [03:58:55] | moj0rising: | at the first link... |
| [03:59:11] | moj0rising: | I found a possible solution to my issue but it didn't work |
| [03:59:14] | moj0rising: | let me explain. |
| [03:59:31] | moj0rising: | I am trying to add an internet radio stream to myth. |
| [04:00:02] | moj0rising: | I understand vim /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mythstream/streams.res is the file I should be editing |
| [04:00:22] | moj0rising: | and in editing it, that appears to be the case since I see other radio stations... |
| [04:00:52] | moj0rising: | but when I add mine using the same syntax as the existing stations... |
| [04:01:09] | moj0rising: | ...it doesn't show up in the list of stations on the front end. |
| [04:01:25] | moj0rising: | I tried restarting the service. pkill-HUPping it too... |
| [04:01:32] | moj0rising: | ...restarting my myth box |
| [04:01:45] | moj0rising: | ...and using the instructions on that first link I provided. |
| [04:01:56] | moj0rising: | but my new station still doesn't show up. |
| [04:02:12] | moj0rising: | does anyone have any idea what I might be doing wrong? |
| [04:02:27] | moj0rising: | if anyone is actually here. :D |
| [04:02:31] | iamlindoro: | moj0rising: You may not want to use the enter key as a period any more ;) also, you probably won't get much help for mythstream here, it's an unofficial plugin for a reason :) |
| [04:03:05] | moj0rising: | Thanks, iamlindoro. What do you mean by using the enter key as a period? |
| [04:03:17] | clever: | typing |
| [04:03:18] | clever: | very |
| [04:03:18] | clever: | short |
| [04:03:20] | clever: | lines |
| [04:03:31] | ** clever awaits a kick:P ** | |
| [04:03:42] | moj0rising: | ah. well, typing the whole thing out would have caused the screen to scroll a bit. |
| [04:04:03] | moj0rising: | they were pretty good length, it seems. ;) |
| [04:04:38] | moj0rising: | So do you guys by some chance have any ideas on where I might be able to find the information I'm looking for? |
| [04:10:14] | moj0rising: | Hey, guys. Thanks a ton for all your help. You're really helping out with that whole stigma about open source people being rude when asked for help! ;) |
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| [04:13:05] | SHADOW__X: | open source people are rude because we have to deal with idiots for free and the pay is so great |
| [04:14:00] | SHADOW__X: | and generally are wrapped up into working on the project that someone who doesnt know anything that comes in show teach themselves because thats how most of us got here and know what we know by teaching ourselves |
| [04:15:59] | ** iamlindoro just spent eight hours working on the YouTube plugin... way to get carried away, iamlindoro... ** | |
| [04:16:10] | SHADOW__X: | hi five |
| [04:16:19] | iamlindoro: | I like you you like me? |
| [04:16:20] | SHADOW__X: | i wouldnt mind a youtube plugin :D |
| [04:16:33] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5589 |
| [04:16:36] | iamlindoro: | all you need is trunk :) |
| [04:16:45] | SHADOW__X: | yup your cool :D |
| [04:17:25] | nuonguy: | iamlindoro: you are made of teh awesomeness |
| [04:17:27] | iamlindoro: | In fairness, I didn't write the initial thing... actually, the guy more or less copied 100% of the code from MythNews.... But in the last few hours I *did* make it work way, way better |
| [04:17:33] | iamlindoro: | so yeah, I'm proud of me :) |
| [04:17:51] | SHADOW__X: | i am proud of you too |
| [04:17:54] | SHADOW__X: | :) |
| [04:17:56] | SHADOW__X: | good job |
| [04:19:19] | SHADOW__X: | i dont have trunk though |
| [04:19:29] | nuonguy: | chuck norris respects iamlindoro! |
| [04:19:51] | iamlindoro: | And that's all a fella can really aspire to |
| [04:20:08] | iamlindoro: | plus, I made it much prettier :) |
| [04:20:34] | nuonguy: | speaking of trunk, I'm having a bit of trouble |
| [04:20:43] | iamlindoro: | Guy seems to be from Spain... he's going to wake up and find that the plugin he submitted was rewritten while he was asleep ;) |
| [04:20:47] | wagnerrp: | thats to be expected |
| [04:20:51] | nuonguy: | mythtv-setup seems to hang |
| [04:21:11] | nuonguy: | when I exit |
| [04:21:28] | nuonguy: | er rather, pressing ESC, it doesn't seem to exit |
| [04:21:58] | wagnerrp: | well it usually runs a number of tests on exit |
| [04:22:05] | wagnerrp: | maybe one of them is getting caught up |
| [04:22:21] | iamlindoro: | you can give mythtv-setup -v all too, that should help |
| [04:22:23] | wagnerrp: | running it verbose doesnt say anything? |
| [04:25:46] | nuonguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1088037 |
| [04:25:54] | nuonguy: | I don't know how much to paste, that's the tail of it |
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| [04:26:24] | Quentusrex: | Is spdif audio output supported? |
| [04:27:02] | nuonguy: | if spdif is the digital optical connector, then yes it is supported |
| [04:27:17] | wagnerrp: | anything supported by ALSA is supported by mythtv |
| [04:27:44] | nuonguy: | mythtv-setup seems to have just stopped after clearing all the menus and redrawn the blue background |
| [04:27:48] | wagnerrp: | as well as JACK, ESound, and some other sound daemons |
| [04:28:22] | Quentusrex: | digitial coax |
| [04:28:31] | wagnerrp: | lines 20 and 21 dont look promising |
| [04:28:55] | Quentusrex: | Does anyone know how to configure a pcHDTV HD-5500 capture card? |
| [04:28:57] | iamlindoro: | That's lirc |
| [04:29:02] | iamlindoro: | (20 and 21) |
| [04:29:06] | iamlindoro: | or rather, lack of lirc |
| [04:29:44] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if the theme is broken |
| [04:30:08] | nuonguy: | I don't care about lirc yet, right? |
| [04:30:29] | iamlindoro: | no, you don't |
| [04:30:33] | wagnerrp: | well the theme is obviously broken (line 58–60), but could that cause this |
| [04:30:53] | Quentusrex: | I can't seem to find out how to configure my HD-5500 |
| [04:31:09] | Quentusrex: | when that was the card recommended that I get(to work with mythtv) |
| [04:31:30] | iamlindoro: | nothing except the extremely extensive wiki article about it? |
| [04:31:36] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PcHDTV_HD-5500 |
| [04:32:03] | iamlindoro: | add it as a DVB type card, and then configure as any other tuner |
| [04:32:20] | iamlindoro: | The preceding was not an offer to continue to help, but those are the basics ;) |
| [04:33:31] | Quentusrex: | The problem is that when I try to add it as a DVB card, it still doesn't recognize it |
| [04:33:58] | nuonguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1088039 |
| [04:34:17] | iamlindoro: | Quentusrex: If it doesn't recognize it, then you haven't properly installed drivers and/or firmware for it |
| [04:34:28] | nuonguy: | mythfrontend seems to start up fine, but when I go to "Watch Recordings" it complains that it cannot connect to backend |
| [04:34:30] | iamlindoro: | in which case you should seek help getting it to work in linux first before trying in myth |
| [04:34:38] | iamlindoro: | #linuxtv is probably the best place for that |
| [04:34:48] | wagnerrp: | wired has some video of the laser missile defense systems |
| [04:34:58] | Quentusrex: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [04:35:17] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [04:36:12] | thatdood: | anyone know a way to delete all of your existing transports? |
| [04:36:33] | wagnerrp: | transports? |
| [04:36:41] | thatdood: | or will deleting all your channels kill the transports as well? seems i am having some tuning problems |
| [04:36:48] | Quentusrex: | iamlindoro I can't even find the card listed under lspci |
| [04:37:02] | wagnerrp: | Quentusrex: thats a bit of a problem |
| [04:37:15] | thatdood: | in the Channel editor...there is a Transport editor |
| [04:37:19] | iamlindoro: | Quentusrex: I think it comes up as a network controller |
| [04:37:20] | iamlindoro: | Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02) |
| [04:37:32] | iamlindoro: | If you don't see that, then... well, then time to call the manufacturer :) |
| [04:37:33] | thatdood: | i just figured it out. press D |
| [04:37:34] | thatdood: | lol |
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| [04:39:56] | Quentusrex: | iamlindoro, I don't even see that. |
| [04:40:08] | Quentusrex: | I'll shut down the machine and see if I physically installed it right... |
| [04:40:17] | iamlindoro: | Quentusrex: yeah, check connections |
| [04:41:45] | nuonguy: | I'm running frontend and backend on the same machine, whose IP is 192.168.0.10 |
| [04:42:14] | nuonguy: | is there a difference between using that and 127.0.0.1 – can I use them interchangeably? |
| [04:42:56] | iamlindoro: | You need to use the proper IP if you intend to you any remote frontends |
| [04:42:59] | iamlindoro: | er to use |
| [04:43:25] | nuonguy: | but if FE and BE are on the same machine, it doesn't matter, right? |
| [04:43:38] | iamlindoro: | correct. But do plan for the future. |
| [04:43:41] | nuonguy: | I'm trying to figure out why the FE won't connect to the BE on the same machine |
| [04:43:44] | nuonguy: | indeed |
| [04:44:41] | nuonguy: | and what I find weird is that the FE will not complain about connecting to the BE until I press Watch Recordings – doesn't it make the connection earlier than that? |
| [04:45:10] | iamlindoro: | It connects to the DB before that, doesn't need the backend until later. |
| [04:45:28] | iamlindoro: | If you get that far, then the DB connection is fine, but the mythbackend connection is broken somehow |
| [04:45:46] | Quentusrex: | found the problem.... |
| [04:45:52] | iamlindoro: | so check that you are using correct port #s (6543, 6544) and that you didn't accidentally modify them |
| [04:46:01] | Quentusrex: | the card wasn't fully seated into pci slot... |
| [04:46:02] | nuonguy: | and if I run mythtv-setup while the BE is running, mythtv-setup complains about it |
| [04:46:07] | iamlindoro: | Quentusrex: That would do it :) |
| [04:46:23] | iamlindoro: | nuonguy: likely because you have the "ping backend" tickbox on |
| [04:48:12] | nuonguy: | can I override the theme for mythtv-setup? |
| [04:48:24] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup -O Theme=Somethemename |
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| [05:00:14] | Quentusrex: | does anyone know the status of audio over hdmi? |
| [05:00:41] | Quentusrex: | I heard that nvidia is trying to do it with driver 177, and the open source intel driver has atleast left channel working... |
| [05:01:16] | wagnerrp: | ive not really been looking into it |
| [05:01:49] | wagnerrp: | although supposedly some upcoming ASUS card will have hdmi in/outputs |
| [05:02:11] | wagnerrp: | video card gets plugged into the audio card, audio card gets plugged into the TV |
| [05:02:23] | nuonguy: | does that mean hdmi video in? |
| [05:02:40] | wagnerrp: | no, just passthru and muxing |
| [05:05:51] | SHADOW__X: | hey so just incase someone was wondering the reason why analog on hvr1800 isnt working in mythtv is mythtv's fault |
| [05:06:05] | SHADOW__X: | the raw and mpeg encoder works in linux |
| [05:06:07] | SHADOW__X: | :D |
| [05:07:12] | wagnerrp: | i thought you said everything worked but changing channels |
| [05:07:12] | iamlindoro: | A card not having been added to Myth isn't Myth's fault, it's your fault for having not added support for it yet. |
| [05:07:15] | SHADOW__X: | you can use tvtime to tune it to a channel than watch that channel in mythtv but mythtv wont know what channel its on and cant change the channel |
| [05:07:26] | nuonguy: | heh – restarting mysqld made mythtv-setup exit cleanly |
| [05:07:27] | wagnerrp: | right... |
| [05:07:40] | SHADOW__X: | iamlindoro: i am not a mythtv dev |
| [05:07:47] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X: then you don't get to cast blame |
| [05:07:57] | iamlindoro: | and you don't have to learn a secret handshake to submit patches |
| [05:07:58] | SHADOW__X: | hmm what DO i get to do |
| [05:08:20] | iamlindoro: | use it and not complain? |
| [05:08:38] | SHADOW__X: | well i know c++ html alittle php and some java does mythtv run on any of that |
| [05:08:46] | SHADOW__X: | i am not complaining |
| [05:09:05] | SHADOW__X: | if i knew how to fix it i would create a patch imediately |
| [05:09:10] | iamlindoro: | Why don't you download the source and find out? |
| [05:09:17] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is all lisp |
| [05:09:27] | SHADOW__X: | lisp? |
| [05:09:35] | jpabq: | roflol |
| [05:09:44] | nuonguy: | I would like to be a mythtv dev, but I'm much too lazy |
| [05:09:45] | iamlindoro: | I don't know diddly-shit about C and i've submitted patches and implemented features I've wanted in myth |
| [05:10:07] | ** nuonguy is also a bit of a moran and his patches would make all the windows machines in the room bluescreen ** | |
| [05:10:33] | wagnerrp: | thats actually impressive |
| [05:10:48] | iamlindoro: | There are Russian mobsters that would pay good money for that |
| [05:10:59] | wagnerrp: | that your patches would unintentionally cause a denial of service on a remote machine |
| [05:11:06] | nuonguy: | not if it was their haxxoring machines that were bluescreening |
| [05:11:21] | wagnerrp: | well you have to give them a proof of concept |
| [05:11:38] | SHADOW__X: | hmm alright but i dont know where to start iamlindoro i guess reading could fix that eh |
| [05:12:01] | iamlindoro: | It certainly couldn't hurt |
| [05:12:10] | SHADOW__X: | alright |
| [05:12:15] | nuonguy: | I did look for a junior jobs list on the trac page but found none |
| [05:12:29] | iamlindoro: | that's because there are no assigned tasks |
| [05:12:40] | iamlindoro: | want to change or fix something? Do it and put the patch in a ticket |
| [05:12:47] | iamlindoro: | then badger someone until it gets committed |
| [05:16:39] | nuonguy: | whether it has an owner or not? |
| [05:16:47] | iamlindoro: | sure |
| [05:17:00] | iamlindoro: | All tickets are owned, it doesn't mean they're being worked on |
| [05:17:20] | iamlindoro: | and I *promise* there's not a go-to dev who would mind having a ticket they owned closed for them |
| [05:17:22] | wagnerrp: | it just means theres always someone to bitch to |
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| [05:18:15] | nuonguy: | now I'm feeling guilty for not contributing |
| [05:18:42] | nuonguy: | um, if a patch is buggy, will the submitter be likely to review it and find it before committing? |
| [05:19:17] | iamlindoro: | They'll never commit it without reviewing it, but you shouldn't expect it to be committed unless it's relatively bugless |
| [05:19:58] | iamlindoro: | Which is a long winded way of saying wait until you've worked out the kinks before submitting it |
| [05:20:08] | nuonguy: | sure |
| [05:20:18] | nuonguy: | but I have only my deployed machine to test on |
| [05:20:39] | nuonguy: | is there a standard for that kind of thing or is it left up to the owners? |
| [05:21:26] | iamlindoro: | What do you mean? If you experience a bug, and then you solve it without breaking anything else, then that's likely adequate. |
| [05:21:50] | iamlindoro: | There's no need to have a test farm set up |
| [05:23:11] | nuonguy: | let's take a random ticket like: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4807 |
| [05:23:18] | nuonguy: | what is the status of that ticket? |
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| [05:23:48] | iamlindoro: | That's an enhancement, not a bug |
| [05:23:53] | nuonguy: | is that a patch created by diffing it against the then trunk? |
| [05:24:06] | nuonguy: | ok, an enhancement |
| [05:24:11] | iamlindoro: | yes, patches should be made against trunk |
| [05:24:22] | iamlindoro: | and the updates you see bring it up to date as of that moment |
| [05:24:56] | nuonguy: | but it is 5 months old and still listed as new |
| [05:25:16] | nuonguy: | that means that this guys patches have not yet been submitted, right? |
| [05:25:17] | iamlindoro: | nuonguy: You are getting way too caught up in the status of the tickets, that means nothing |
| [05:25:20] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [05:25:23] | iamlindoro: | well |
| [05:25:23] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [05:25:37] | iamlindoro: | they've been submitted by the very fact that they've been put in a ticket |
| [05:25:42] | iamlindoro: | they've not been committed, no. |
| [05:26:23] | iamlindoro: | and they've likely not been committed to trunk because either they interfere with something else, or because the author hasn't been in contact with the core devs to see who can review it and commit it |
| [05:26:25] | nuonguy: | is it waiting for review? |
| [05:26:38] | iamlindoro: | waiting for review is the surest way to see your work idle and die |
| [05:27:17] | nuonguy: | and this is where the badgering comes in? |
| [05:27:21] | iamlindoro: | There's no line, noformal review process, nothing. Write a patch, put it in a ticket, then get into #mythtv and find out who mostly maintains that component-- then push them to review it and keep it up |
| [05:27:25] | SHADOW__X: | gn all |
| [05:28:01] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: thanks for waiting .. item arrived a few hrs ago, payment sent. |
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| [05:28:32] | mzb_d800: | ps: echeque |
| [05:28:49] | mzb_d800: | s/cheque/check for yanks ;) |
| [05:29:00] | mary|office: | i'm having problems with the mythtv remote interface in mythweb |
| [05:29:23] | mary|office: | i can only use it to control one of my frontends |
| [05:29:35] | mary|office: | all the rest say that it can't connect |
| [05:29:48] | wagnerrp: | can you connect manually? (telnet) |
| [05:29:50] | mary|office: | but i can telnet and use that for the remote contol |
| [05:30:07] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: super, thanks :) |
| [05:30:15] | wagnerrp: | from the same machine that mythweb is running on? |
| [05:30:21] | mary|office: | yup |
| [05:30:32] | mary|office: | i have two machine that it won't work on and one that it does |
| [05:30:42] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: are the spares the same speed? |
| [05:30:47] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [05:30:51] | mzb_d800: | nice |
| [05:30:58] | fryfrog: | be sure to clean em off and apply thermal paste |
| [05:30:59] | wagnerrp: | is it possible its trying to connect to an unresolvable name? |
| [05:31:03] | mary|office: | and the one that it does work on is a mac, one that it doesn't is mythbuntu and the other is ubuntu |
| [05:31:08] | fryfrog: | a pea size dot in the middle of the cpu is the "new" best way of doing it |
| [05:31:18] | mzb_d800: | have done ... I do it the _slower_ way ;) |
| [05:31:27] | fryfrog: | what is that? |
| [05:31:33] | fryfrog: | i used to spread it on with a razor |
| [05:31:37] | wagnerrp: | razor, or other straight edge |
| [05:31:38] | mary|office: | i'm not really sure what the problem could be |
| [05:31:46] | fryfrog: | but i read an article comparing the different methods |
| [05:32:01] | mary|office: | my mac shouldn't have a name that is any more or less resolved than the others |
| [05:32:02] | fryfrog: | and un-intuitivly (imho) the pea sized dot in the middle resulted in the best coverage |
| [05:32:08] | mzb_d800: | I get a small amount and use a hobby knife to spread+remove until you can see through it (I can never find a razor blade) |
| [05:32:14] | fryfrog: | i've literally used a razor for *years* myself |
| [05:32:28] | mzb_d800: | then I put the heatsink on, wriggle it, and remove |
| [05:32:40] | fryfrog: | i use my old safety razors, or my supply of razors for my window scrapers |
| [05:32:52] | wagnerrp: | i usually end up using a 5.25" bay cover |
| [05:32:52] | mzb_d800: | then slightly different technique (less paste) to fill the gaps on the heatsink |
| [05:33:01] | wagnerrp: | or credit card |
| [05:33:18] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: i've used a pci slot cover :) |
| [05:33:28] | fryfrog: | or a plastic 3.5/5.25 insert |
| [05:33:30] | mzb_d800: | a large/wide tool would be fine for the first step (cpu face), but probably not for the second |
| [05:33:43] | mzb_d800: | hence hobby knife |
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| [05:34:43] | mary|office: | hm adding it to the hosts file seems to have fixed it |
| [05:34:46] | mary|office: | strange |
| [05:34:59] | mzb_d800: | it also needs to be DEAD sharp with the old paste I'm using ... bought about 200gm (?) tube of it 10–15 years ago |
| [05:35:13] | mzb_d800: | and let's just say it's ... a little thick ;) |
| [05:35:23] | justinh: | pfft. I thought my last router was unreliable, needing rebooted every few months or so. this netgear one is something else :-\ |
| [05:35:31] | mzb_d800: | heh |
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| [05:35:57] | justinh: | I can see me bumping the netgear into AP mode & going back to my old linksys |
| [05:36:22] | justinh: | anyway, morning! |
| [05:36:31] | justinh: | enjoy your birthday, mzb_d800 ? |
| [05:37:03] | justinh: | I've just about recovered from celebrating mine at the weekend. I *must* be getting too old now :P |
| [05:37:04] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... not as good as hoped (g/f was hungover), but not too bad ;) |
| [05:37:06] | mzb_d800: | and you? |
| [05:37:26] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... I'm feeling ancient |
| [05:37:26] | justinh: | too old to stay out clubbing til 5am, put it that way |
| [05:37:32] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [05:37:49] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... I was supposed to go out after a movie ... but I felt too sleepy ;) |
| [05:37:57] | mary|office: | hm, that only fixed one |
| [05:37:59] | mzb_d800: | (past pumpkin hour;) |
| [05:38:00] | justinh: | feeling the need to pick up the developing spade again :) |
| [05:38:01] | mary|office: | the other still isn't working |
| [05:38:10] | justinh: | mzb_d800: jees that *is* ancient |
| [05:38:45] | justinh: | but then, I was fuelled by Red Bull ;) I guess using stimulants still counts though :P |
| [05:38:55] | mzb_d800: | born in the 60's mate ... can't expect too much out the old bloke ;) |
| [05:39:05] | mzb_d800: | I've got a netgear n (624|824?) given to me ... total junk ... now using it as a temporary switch (wifi disabled) |
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| [05:39:18] | justinh: | oh right :) |
| [05:39:37] | mzb_d800: | (switching 1xSPA3000 and 3xSPA2000) |
| [05:39:39] | mzb_d800: | wl500gp on the other hand is a total weapon |
| [05:39:57] | justinh: | weird thing is, the clubs I go to are friendly places. old blokes aren't made to feel out of place |
| [05:40:00] | fryfrog: | sold my car this weekend too :) |
| [05:40:12] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: your shout this weekend then? |
| [05:40:31] | fryfrog: | now to get rid of the house |
| [05:40:33] | mzb_d800: | or would you blow all your $ catching a cab to the pub? ;) |
| [05:40:35] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [05:40:44] | mzb_d800: | lightening your load(s)? |
| [05:40:49] | fryfrog: | ha, nah it was our "spare" car now |
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| [05:41:01] | fryfrog: | not even in the same state with us |
| [05:41:08] | fryfrog: | it was our fun car :( |
| [05:41:14] | mzb_d800: | kids *tick*, wife *tick*, dog *tick* ... now what else can I class as surplus? ;) |
| [05:41:31] | fryfrog: | prolly gonna get a pair of motorcycles :) |
| [05:41:47] | mzb_d800: | trying to shorten your life span, huh? |
| [05:41:59] | mzb_d800: | speaking of which ... time to walk to the beer fridge |
| [05:42:30] | fryfrog: | we'll take a motor cycle safety class and get top notch gear |
| [05:42:44] | mzb_d800: | 1inch armour plate? |
| [05:42:49] | fryfrog: | not that it makes us dead proof, but we won't be some 18 year old in a tshirt, shorts and a helmet either |
| [05:42:51] | justinh: | well, time to trundle in to work. fun day configuring boxes ahead :-\ |
| [05:43:02] | fryfrog: | also, i hate paypal :/ |
| [05:43:20] | mzb_d800: | how so? |
| [05:43:26] | fryfrog: | $7.50 USD fee for that, it translates to $183 USD :/ |
| [05:43:27] | fryfrog: | lame |
| [05:43:38] | fryfrog: | well, close to $184 |
| [05:43:56] | mzb_d800: | I'll buy you a beer when you come to the LinuxConf.au next year ;) |
| [05:44:03] | fryfrog: | ok :) |
| [05:44:18] | mzb_d800: | ps: linuxconf is in Hobart ! yay! |
| [05:44:36] | mzb_d800: | marchsouth.com.au iirc |
| [05:44:40] | fryfrog: | now all i need to do is find an ebay auction for a 939 X2 cpu that isn't going for 2x what it is worth |
| [05:44:53] | mzb_d800: | just bought one of those |
| [05:45:05] | mary|office: | well, it all seems to be related to name resolution but i'll have to figure out how to fix it correctly later |
| [05:45:15] | mzb_d800: | (work's paying ... if you can call it work .. or payment for that matter;) |
| [05:45:20] | mary|office: | but for now i know the problem |
| [05:45:21] | mary|office: | thanks |
| [05:45:26] | mzb_d800: | 3800+ for $101 delivered |
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| [05:46:26] | mzb_d800: | would've liked more power ... but 2000MHz matches all the other AMD CPU's I've got, and 4600+ seem to go $190+++ |
| [05:46:29] | mzb_d800: | brb5 |
| [05:49:26] | fryfrog: | thats a *rip* for that... i got my 939 4200+ *new* from newegg for like $60 or so |
| [05:50:09] | wagnerrp: | well my 165 (1.8GHz) was $300, but that was almost 4 years ago |
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| [05:51:36] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: X2? |
| [05:54:23] | mzb_d800: | (with HSF) |
| [05:54:46] | mzb_d800: | by the same token, I got an MSI K8N SLI-FI for $50 |
| [05:55:00] | wagnerrp: | well all the retail chips came with heatsink and fan |
| [05:55:03] | fryfrog: | yes |
| [05:55:30] | fryfrog: | of course, this was when you could still get 939 retail new, but long after AM2 had come out and made it "obsolete" |
| [05:55:30] | mzb_d800: | so ~$150 total doesn't feel too bad |
| [05:55:36] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [05:55:59] | mzb_d800: | now into "collector item" status ;) |
| [05:57:25] | mzb_d800: | it was almost tempting to get an AM2 board with a phenom x3, but would have meant replacing memory too |
| [05:57:32] | mzb_d800: | (way over budget) |
| [05:57:58] | wagnerrp: | i cant bring myself to buy a malfunctioning processor |
| [05:58:07] | wagnerrp: | although i guess i did get one with my PS3 |
| [05:58:39] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [05:59:16] | mzb_d800: | I did have that concern, but for ~$10 for an extra core it sounded tempting |
| [06:01:14] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: is it possible to get temp readings from both cpu's on this board? |
| [06:02:01] | wagnerrp: | ACPI will only give one temperature reading, but i do have some program that will give me the individual core temperature in windows |
| [06:02:12] | wagnerrp: | so i would assume its possible in linux as well |
| [06:02:19] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt have anything to do with the board |
| [06:02:29] | wagnerrp: | its an on-chip thermal sensor |
| [06:03:26] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: yeah, should work fine |
| [06:03:56] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: i believe it showed up miss-labeled, but i just figured it out by stopping a fan for a sec |
| [06:04:00] | mzb_d800: | # sensors | grep "CPU Temp" |
| [06:04:00] | mzb_d800: | CPU Temp: +22.0°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) sensor = thermistor |
| [06:04:08] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [06:04:09] | mzb_d800: | temp3 |
| [06:04:12] | mzb_d800: | righto |
| [06:04:14] | fryfrog: | edit the lmsensors file and enable the... yeah |
| [06:04:23] | fryfrog: | it just doesn't know it is cpu temp (and fan speed) |
| [06:05:27] | wagnerrp: | well hold the fan and see |
| [06:05:36] | wagnerrp: | simple way to test that |
| [06:05:53] | fryfrog: | thats what i did (and suggest) :) |
| [06:06:01] | fryfrog: | note that i was looking for the rpm to drop to 0 |
| [06:06:09] | fryfrog: | not holding it long enough for the temp to rise a lot :p |
| [06:08:46] | mzb_d800: | hard(ish) to do ... mythtuner is downstairs in the garage (close to aerial entry point) |
| [06:09:05] | mzb_d800: | err... change that to "too much effort" ;) |
| [06:10:15] | wagnerrp: | take a laptop? |
| [06:10:22] | wagnerrp: | spare monitor |
| [06:11:09] | mzb_d800: | meh |
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| [06:11:38] | mzb_d800: | I'm just setting up gkrellm on my laptop so I get meaningful results |
| [06:11:52] | mzb_d800: | I'll figure out which reading belongs to which CPU later |
| [06:12:01] | mzb_d800: | (got other jobs I need to get on with) |
| [06:13:03] | nuonguy: | if plugreport reports no firewire devices attached, how am I going to get my hdpvr to change channels? |
| [06:13:22] | mzb_d800: | taking the laptop downstairs is a possibility ... just too busy (ie: lazy ;) |
| [06:13:23] | wagnerrp: | the hdpvr is usb |
| [06:14:09] | nuonguy: | right |
| [06:14:13] | nuonguy: | I should explain |
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| [06:14:20] | fryfrog: | nuonguy: make sure you have firewire modules loaded |
| [06:14:22] | fryfrog: | nuonguy: i get it |
| [06:14:30] | fryfrog: | you need to change channels on STB via firewire |
| [06:14:37] | nuonguy: | I had assumed that my set top box would allow me to change channesl via firewire |
| [06:14:41] | fryfrog: | hdpvr has nothhing to do with it (except that you could use ir blaster) |
| [06:14:53] | nuonguy: | but since those f*cktards at comcast disabled them completely, I can't do that |
| [06:14:59] | fryfrog: | nuonguy: if *nothing* shows up in plugreport, you are probably doing it wrong |
| [06:15:07] | fryfrog: | are you sure it is disabled? |
| [06:15:12] | nuonguy: | fryfrog: yup |
| [06:15:13] | wagnerrp: | those fucktards at comcast are not allowed to disable it |
| [06:15:19] | nuonguy: | mofos told me so |
| [06:15:33] | nuonguy: | I whined about this when it first happened around May |
| [06:15:38] | wagnerrp: | well call those mofos and tell them that by law they are required to enable it |
| [06:15:39] | fryfrog: | nuonguy: you should call em back and read them the law |
| [06:15:53] | fryfrog: | or just use an irblaster |
| [06:16:01] | nuonguy: | yeah, it used to work and then they disabled it cuz of 'copyright protection' |
| [06:16:14] | wagnerrp: | they encrypted it for copyright protection |
| [06:16:18] | wagnerrp: | but it still has to be enabled |
| [06:16:20] | nuonguy: | 5C, yes |
| [06:16:25] | fryfrog: | nuonguy: they are not legally allowed to do that, they can encrypt but they can't just turn it off |
| [06:16:30] | nuonguy: | it's so hard to talk to them, I gave up |
| [06:16:35] | fryfrog: | ahah |
| [06:16:37] | wagnerrp: | so talk to the FCC |
| [06:16:41] | fryfrog: | report them to the FCC |
| [06:16:56] | nuonguy: | that's the advice I get, but I also hear that nothing comes out of it |
| [06:17:02] | wagnerrp: | bring the man down on the... other... man |
| [06:17:07] | nuonguy: | I thought my hdpvr could save me |
| [06:17:25] | fryfrog: | irblaster |
| [06:17:31] | fryfrog: | how many times do i have to say it :p |
| [06:17:36] | fryfrog: | change channels the way a remote does |
| [06:17:56] | nuonguy: | fryfrog: I'm kinda dense, so you if you don't mind saying it a few dozen times more, please do |
| [06:18:14] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [06:18:29] | nuonguy: | will the irblaster that came with the hdpvr work? |
| [06:18:43] | Stalker_Robot: | It will someday |
| [06:18:45] | fryfrog: | no idea, i don't have one and i've never messed with it (mine work via firewire) |
| [06:18:47] | Stalker_Robot: | but that day is not today |
| [06:18:54] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, it is not supported |
| [06:19:11] | wagnerrp: | of course at the moment, the drivers cannot withstand changing resolution either |
| [06:19:57] | wagnerrp: | most hauppauge cards come with ir-blasters, if you have an older analog one |
| [06:20:36] | wagnerrp: | any blaster can be used, it doesnt have to control the card it exists on |
| [06:20:55] | nuonguy: | I don't have serial port, will the snapstream irblaster work? |
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| [06:23:00] | nuonguy: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815144019 ?? |
| [06:23:13] | nuonguy: | I don't have an old one |
| [06:23:26] | Stalker_Robot: | Considering that's a USB device, can't imagine what you not having a serial port has to do with it |
| [06:23:45] | nuonguy: | irblaster.info only lists a serial port irblaster, not a usb one |
| [06:23:57] | Stalker_Robot: | What you just linked was a USB device |
| [06:24:09] | wagnerrp: | right, thats what he has currently |
| [06:24:10] | Stalker_Robot: | and irblaster.info isn't by snapstream |
| [06:24:25] | Stalker_Robot: | if you want to use one of those, get a USB to serial adapter and use it |
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| [06:26:26] | nuonguy: | I don't have a blaster at all, I'm evaluating the snapstream blaster at http://store.snapstream.com/usb-uirt.html |
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| [06:26:31] | nuonguy: | or the pinnacle on newegg's site |
| [06:27:53] | nuonguy: | was hoping someone had positive reviews for one or the other... |
| [06:28:10] | Stalker_Robot: | The question you should ask yourself is "is the Pinnacle device supported by the mceusb driver (or any other lirc driver)?" |
| [06:28:16] | Stalker_Robot: | The answer is no. |
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| [06:28:47] | mzb_d800: | ps: re CPU+FANS easier way is to watch temps+fanspeed under (a single load) |
| [06:28:55] | mzb_d800: | my guess was right the first time ;) |
| [06:29:06] | mzb_d800: | (I think) |
| [06:29:12] | Stalker_Robot: | For half the price of either you can buy a USB to serial adapter and a serial balster (or even build a serial blaster) and it will work rock solid in linux AND be cheaper |
| [06:29:26] | nuonguy: | Stalker_Robot: do you know if the snapstream USB irblaster is supported by the mceusb driver? |
| [06:29:38] | mzb_d800: | ie: load (transcode) on CPU0 gives rise in temp for that CPU, and fan speed goes up (for that CPU) |
| [06:29:38] | nuonguy: | btw, thanks for clarifying |
| [06:29:54] | tjcarter: | I have considered trying to get myself a Snapstream remote |
| [06:29:54] | Stalker_Robot: | nuonguy: The snapstream device isn't a mceusb device, no. It is lirc supported, but not with that driver |
| [06:30:09] | tjcarter: | It's the closest to the Sony TiVo (non-peanut) I've ever seen. |
| [06:30:15] | tjcarter: | I MISS the Sony TiVo remote. |
| [06:30:39] | mzb_d800: | that would be a win! ;) so fryfrog, ~21C idle to ~30C loaded sounds ok? |
| [06:30:48] | tjcarter: | alas, it is dead, and Bill Gates couldn't afford to buy one. |
| [06:30:51] | Stalker_Robot: | What stops you from using the actual sony tivo remote? |
| [06:30:56] | nuonguy: | I imagine that mythtv can be made to work with lirc |
| [06:31:02] | nuonguy: | er rather, the other way around... |
| [06:31:04] | Quentusrex: | How do I manually get knoppmyth to download the channel listing info? |
| [06:31:15] | mzb_d800: | Hobart temp apparently = 14C atm |
| [06:31:30] | Quentusrex: | I don't have any channels added to the mythtvbackend, but I have a schedules direct account. |
| [06:31:38] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: i never really did find a good max temp, i got temp monitoring working then just sort of went "meh" |
| [06:31:45] | wagnerrp: | you have mythtv-setup download the channel listing |
| [06:31:48] | fryfrog: | unless it locks up, i just don't care :) |
| [06:31:54] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [06:32:24] | wagnerrp: | temperature monitoring is more of a way to tell if something is going bad |
| [06:32:30] | mzb_d800: | ok ... well I do care about temps ... had a few nasty experiences and like to know expected |
| [06:32:33] | wagnerrp: | heatsink getting clogged, fan failing |
| [06:32:50] | mzb_d800: | hmm .. I like to know before I smell silicon death |
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| [06:33:18] | Quentusrex: | When I tell it to 'Fetch channels from listing source' it doesn't do anything... |
| [06:33:49] | mzb_d800: | and with the messaging system I've managed to get going I'm more than happy for my system to send me a text saying "CPU is at 45C. Reply to this message to abort shutdown" ... or similar ;) |
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| [06:34:20] | mzb_d800: | next step with said system is to be able to send an sms like "tv record doctor who" ;) |
| [06:34:34] | mzb_d800: | (it already does some slightly clever things;) |
| [06:34:50] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: just so you don't get freaked out some day, the motherboard will talk to you |
| [06:35:07] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... noticed the settings ... don't have speaker connected |
| [06:35:10] | fryfrog: | i think only while it is booting, but it'll say stuff like "cpu fan fail" or "cpu fail" and stuff like that |
| [06:35:15] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [06:35:18] | mzb_d800: | I've had a couple of boards like that |
| [06:35:23] | nuonguy: | heh – just what I need, more voices that could or could not be in my head... |
| [06:35:39] | mzb_d800: | can rarely comprehend them and usually turn it off |
| [06:35:39] | Quentusrex: | wagnerrp, is something wrong if when I click 'Fetch channel listing from listing source' it doesn't do anything? |
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| [06:35:54] | wagnerrp: | likely yes |
| [06:36:06] | wagnerrp: | you should see some sort of error in the terminal |
| [06:36:06] | mzb_d800: | nuonguy: I'm already way past that stage ;) |
| [06:36:08] | fryfrog: | i think my favorite is "system failed cpu test" only it takes it like 3 or 4 repeats to figure out wtf it is saying :) |
| [06:36:36] | mzb_d800: | heh ... yep ... know what you mean ... as it is I wouldn't hear it down in the garage anyway ... so dm |
| [06:36:55] | mzb_d800: | although there is a possibility I'll use that machine for the garagetv ;) |
| [06:37:20] | mzb_d800: | (I like to watch mythtv|musicvideos while I'm cooking on the BBQ;) |
| [06:37:39] | mzb_d800: | garagetv == 42" Sony RPTV that I was given (has issues) |
| [06:37:53] | mzb_d800: | doesn't fit in lounge room ;( |
| [06:38:03] | fryfrog: | thats a pretty big fuckin tv for the *garage* :p |
| [06:38:07] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [06:38:08] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [06:38:24] | mzb_d800: | good for car racing on PS2 as well |
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| [06:39:17] | mzb_d800: | in contrast, loungetv is a 35(?)yo PAL TV in perfect condition (repaired+tuned by Dad) |
| [06:39:36] | mzb_d800: | err 69cm |
| [06:39:43] | mzb_d800: | (and I've got a spare one of those;) |
| [06:40:43] | mzb_d800: | hooked up to a gx150 with p3–1000 |
| [06:40:58] | mzb_d800: | works pretty well for what it is ... quite happy |
| [06:41:24] | mzb_d800: | (although the double-sided tape keeps unsticking on my remote receiver ... bugger! ;)) |
| [06:43:06] | mzb_d800: | <= I don't want to modify the shelves that all this sits on/in ... my grandfather made them |
| [06:43:30] | mzb_d800: | I'll have to get around to finding a better solution one day ;) |
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| [06:45:17] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . d=20382& |
| [06:45:33] | mzb_d800: | although there are less parts now ;) |
| [06:47:00] | mzb_d800: | all the units on the left have gone ... now the gx150 sits there |
| [06:47:42] | mzb_d800: | prior to that, there was an overclocked p3–650 mounted under the floor (hence the long white lead in the pic for IR during testing) |
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| [06:52:02] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... incoming oldies |
| [06:55:18] | mzb_d800: | 2xhmm ... less time to transcode a recording than the length of the recording itself ... sounds promising |
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| [06:55:57] | clever: | mzb_d800: i recently added a slave backend into a colinux i had running |
| [06:56:21] | clever: | its not much faster then my other transcoding slaves but it lets me run another job at once |
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| [07:00:48] | mzb_d800: | clever: I was using a similar technique recently running vmplayer on a vista machine (q9550) ... but my network groans under the load |
| [07:01:09] | mzb_d800: | have bought gigabit switches to solve that problem, but yet to install |
| [07:01:29] | mzb_d800: | hopefully all redundant (soon) now that I have a faster BE |
| [07:01:39] | clever: | i ran x11 video thru the colinux network and into the windows half of the machine |
| [07:01:51] | clever: | should be unlimited speed(except the cpu sucks) |
| [07:01:53] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [07:02:01] | clever: | it got under 3 fps on mplayer |
| [07:02:12] | mzb_d800: | prob. no good for editing |
| [07:02:17] | clever: | didnt even bother continueing to get a full mythfrontend on it |
| [07:02:36] | clever: | but then i had the idea of just using it as a slave backend to transcode |
| [07:03:00] | mzb_d800: | oldies have landed |
| [07:03:21] | mzb_d800: | that's the beginning of the end of my peace |
| [07:05:07] | wagnerrp: | oldies? |
| [07:05:23] | sid3windr: | oldies problems! |
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| [07:18:40] | Quentusrex: | Alright, I've gotten my pcHDTV HD-5500 card 'installed' I've tried to scan for channels, but it's not able to find a signal for anything below 100 |
| [07:18:46] | Quentusrex: | Is there a reason for this? |
| [07:19:20] | Quentusrex: | am I just using a crappy scanner? |
| [07:19:30] | Quentusrex: | or do I have something misconfigured. |
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| [07:24:14] | wagnerrp: | youre trying to access digital cable? |
| [07:25:33] | Quentusrex: | yes |
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| [07:25:46] | Quentusrex: | I have the 'Comcast Digital Cable Starter' package |
| [07:25:51] | wagnerrp: | its a good chance that nearly everything is encrypted |
| [07:26:05] | Quentusrex: | :( so what do I do from here? |
| [07:26:06] | wagnerrp: | typically, you can only pick up local broadcast and on-demand channels |
| [07:26:23] | Quentusrex: | I have a Motorola MCT6200 cable box from comcast |
| [07:26:44] | wagnerrp: | do what everyone else does, and swoon over the HD PVR |
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| [07:26:57] | Quentusrex: | what HD PVR? |
| [07:27:06] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge box |
| [07:27:12] | Quentusrex: | the one comcast is 'selling' |
| [07:27:22] | wagnerrp: | HD component capture device |
| [07:27:22] | Quentusrex: | the hauppauge box can access encrypted channels? |
| [07:27:23] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [07:27:37] | wagnerrp: | the hauppauge box just connects to the outputs from your cable box |
| [07:27:51] | wagnerrp: | the cable box accesses the encrypted channels |
| [07:28:31] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you can try your luck with firewire |
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| [07:29:09] | wagnerrp: | sometimes they give you additional channels over the firewire interface on your STB |
| [07:29:18] | Quentusrex: | so the best way to setup a mythtv PVR is to buy a standard computer and a hauppauge HD-PVR? |
| [07:29:48] | wagnerrp: | well the best way is to do whatever you want |
| [07:30:07] | wagnerrp: | but the hdpvr is a backstop method for getting digital cable/satellite |
| [07:30:14] | Quentusrex: | ok |
| [07:30:40] | Quentusrex: | mythtv interfaces well with this box? |
| [07:30:52] | wagnerrp: | accessing the QAM channels directly with a tuner, or using an STB with firewire, are far better options |
| [07:30:58] | wagnerrp: | but they are so rarely actually an option |
| [07:31:05] | Quentusrex: | aaah |
| [07:31:12] | wagnerrp: | support for this device is... limited, but in progress |
| [07:31:12] | Quentusrex: | Why is that? |
| [07:31:20] | wagnerrp: | its currently only supported in trunk |
| [07:31:24] | Quentusrex: | I thought that tv, was just tv. |
| [07:31:24] | wagnerrp: | the drivers are still buggy |
| [07:31:55] | wagnerrp: | tv is tv, but according to the content providers, its not your tv |
| [07:32:03] | wagnerrp: | and theyre going to exert as much control over you as possible |
| [07:32:57] | wagnerrp: | most ATSC tuners can also tune QAM (cable), but as mentioned, most of it is encrypted, requiring a cablecard to access |
| [07:33:10] | wagnerrp: | there is no support for cablecard tuners in linux, and likely never will be |
| [07:33:33] | wagnerrp: | firewire support is mandated by the FCC, but again... most of it is encrypted |
| [07:34:06] | wagnerrp: | some people get lucky and get all or most of their channels |
| [07:34:06] | clever: | wagnerrp: what about the cost of a firewire box? |
| [07:34:14] | clever: | are they allowed to charge more for it? |
| [07:34:21] | wagnerrp: | clever: i do not believe so |
| [07:34:43] | clever: | so i should be able to upgrade without an increase in costs |
| [07:34:56] | clever: | other then the firewire cord itself:P |
| [07:35:08] | wagnerrp: | maybe, yes |
| [07:35:24] | clever: | ive allready got a pci firewire card that i have no use for |
| [07:35:27] | wagnerrp: | whether or not you can actually get anything of worth out of it is a different matter |
| [07:35:39] | clever: | only other thing with firewire is a laptop&desktop with it onboard |
| [07:36:01] | clever: | id atleast get a more stable channel change method for analog recording:P |
| [07:36:13] | wagnerrp: | true |
| [07:36:15] | clever: | my id blaster droped the 0 on channel 20 twice today, for the same show |
| [07:36:18] | wagnerrp: | maybe... |
| [07:36:19] | clever: | ir |
| [07:36:35] | wagnerrp: | firewire can be buggy as well |
| [07:36:46] | clever: | it also doesnt have the line of sight problems |
| [07:36:52] | clever: | i cant realy hookup a 2nd tuner atm |
| [07:36:53] | wagnerrp: | but just changing channels and dropping the stream should be fine |
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| [07:37:11] | clever: | the 1 blaster would change both tuners |
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| [07:37:37] | wagnerrp: | most blasters ive seen glue right onto the receiver of the target device |
| [07:38:11] | clever: | this is a ir led inside a old serial mouse |
| [07:38:27] | clever: | we cut the cord off the board and melted a hole in the back for the led |
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| [10:38:17] | black_Nightmare_: | I know this probably is a crazy question but any of you in here ran mythtv inside Xen? |
| [10:39:04] | clever: | black_Nightmare_: ive never used xen but mythtv works in colinux |
| [10:39:31] | clever: | havent tried recording at all since i know theres no device node for it |
| [10:39:50] | black_Nightmare_: | colinux? *goes looking up* |
| [10:40:01] | clever: | the linux kernel acting as a windows driver |
| [10:40:10] | clever: | so they both share the cpu |
| [10:40:16] | black_Nightmare_: | ah |
| [10:40:26] | clever: | windows thinks its a driver that wants 200mb of ram and the odd cpu power |
| [10:40:53] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm yeah a clever way to trick it I guess ;) |
| [10:41:09] | clever: | the only problem is that windows is using all the i/o hardware |
| [10:41:10] | rooaus: | black_Nightmare_: Search gossamer archives, there was at least one thread about it. |
| [10:41:14] | clever: | so linux cant use ide |
| [10:41:37] | clever: | so theres a special cobd to relay the block device io to files on the windows side |
| [10:41:59] | clever: | and a similar network one to make a tunnel between the 2 kernels |
| [10:42:15] | black_Nightmare_: | gossamer archives? |
| [10:42:18] | clever: | X11 and sound are just done thru tcp to xming and pulseaudio |
| [10:42:48] | rooaus: | black_Nightmare_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ |
| [10:43:16] | black_Nightmare_: | oh heh ty rooaus.. for some reason most of the search results seem to be something about x-files shows .. weird |
| [10:43:34] | clever: | ugh, nfsd is eating my cpu power up |
| [10:49:19] | black_Nightmare_: | heh the first topic on that forum has 1948 pages .. they sure archives a lot |
| [10:51:01] | black_Nightmare_: | thanks for the link rooaus, found a few xen related threads |
| [10:52:57] | rooaus: | np |
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| [10:55:13] | black_Nightmare_: | rooaus and clever the reason I was wondering about it was because looking at it if I got a microatx system I'll probably barely use half of the cpu so I thought about Xen it to run mythtv, NAS os, etc from one box |
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| [10:55:54] | clever: | i put distcc and a full compiler set on every frontend |
| [10:56:05] | clever: | so when i recompile trunk it goes faster |
| [10:56:11] | black_Nightmare_: | can't be difficult to assign mythtv to sata and NAS to ide etc me think .. will just have to read more to see |
| [10:56:32] | clever: | black_Nightmare_: id think the bigger problem your going to have is v4l and xvideo |
| [10:56:58] | clever: | those are the same limits as to why i cant record/play from colinux |
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| [11:01:21] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah...if it doesn't seem to be likely to work out well I'll just figure out one mythtv-decidated epia and some sort of second box for the other tasks |
| [11:03:16] | clever: | alot of my processing power is batch transcoding |
| [11:03:31] | clever: | and ive solved that by throwing lots of slave backends at it |
| [11:03:41] | clever: | and the slave doesnt need xv or v4l |
| [11:03:50] | black_Nightmare_: | heh I see |
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| [11:04:36] | black_Nightmare_: | what do you usually transcode to? |
| [11:07:00] | clever: | my card makes mpeg2 |
| [11:07:12] | clever: | mythtv can only convert to mpeg4 and rtjpeg i think |
| [11:07:20] | black_Nightmare_: | ah ok |
| [11:07:28] | clever: | ive got the bitrates setup to half the files |
| [11:07:45] | black_Nightmare_: | I was just planning on recording straight to hd as mpeg1 or mpeg2 depending on the shows |
| [11:07:57] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [11:07:58] | clever: | /dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv |
| [11:07:58] | clever: | 389G 381G 8.0G 98% /media/mainlv |
| [11:08:07] | clever: | i cant afford to use 5gig/hour :P |
| [11:10:27] | black_Nightmare_: | 5GB? umm I'm not recording bluray shows ;) |
| [11:10:32] | ** black_Nightmare_ hehs ** | |
| [11:12:41] | Dibblah: | 5 G can be SD. |
| [11:14:32] | Dibblah: | 349 programs, using 1.1 TB (16 days 15 hrs 29 mins) |
| [11:15:58] | Dibblah: | 2.6Gb/hour or so average. |
| [11:16:05] | clever: | sounds like dvd quality |
| [11:16:14] | clever: | 4.7gig/2hours is about what a dvd is |
| [11:16:17] | Dibblah: | Not quite. |
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| [11:19:44] | Dibblah: | Hmm.. Interesting. They've switched to full anamorphic on some Sky channels – BBC ones, at least. |
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| [11:26:55] | ^V^: | Hi, I'm having some trouble getting my mythbackend to shut down automatically. I followed the guide here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . xt/ACPIWake. |
| [11:27:20] | ^V^: | I get the message "I'm idle now... shutdown will occur in 300 seconds" but nothing seems to happen |
| [11:28:34] | ^V^: | Anyone have any ideas? Where can I look for problems? |
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| [11:33:09] | Nido: | how do you shut it down? |
| [11:33:41] | ^V^: | I've set myth backend to shut it down after the 300 seconds... I believe it runs the command /sbin/halt |
| [11:33:45] | ^V^: | I've set myth backend to shut it down after the 300 seconds... I believe it runs the command /sbin/halt -p |
| [11:34:47] | Nido: | does that command work when fired manually? |
| [11:35:08] | Nido: | perhaps it's a permission problem, the mythtv backend user could not have the permission to shut down the machine |
| [11:35:42] | ^V^: | my visudo: %mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt, /sbin/shutdown, /usr/bin/MythWakeSet, /proc/acpi/alarm, /usr/bin/MythShutdownCheck, /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend, /usr/bin/mythshutdown |
| [11:36:34] | ^V^: | I don't think there is anything interesting showing up in the /var/log/auth.log file |
| [11:37:33] | ^V^: | yes, the command works when I enter it on the command line |
| [11:38:18] | Nido: | okay |
| [11:38:20] | Nido: | just checking |
| [11:38:36] | Nido: | I've had four days of trouble one time finding out I made a little spelling error in a command |
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| [11:40:00] | ^V^: | I'm not sure where else to look... |
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| [11:41:10] | Nido: | I'm not very familiar with this procedure |
| [11:41:15] | Nido: | what I suggest is two things |
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| [11:41:48] | Nido: | first, create a script which creates a file or outputs something to a file and let it run that script instead. |
| [11:41:59] | Nido: | that way, you know wether or not the 'running the command' part works |
| [11:42:14] | Nido: | then, try a script which accepts command line arguments, see if that's the problem |
| [11:42:29] | Nido: | do test if the command line arguments are used though |
| [11:42:36] | Nido: | like outputting some to a file :) |
| [11:42:55] | ^V^: | so you mean replace the halt command with a call to a script that prints things? |
| [11:42:59] | Nido: | it could be you have to put quotes around your scrip |
| [11:43:12] | Nido: | yes, but not something that prints things, something that outputs text to a file |
| [11:43:19] | Nido: | IE: |
| [11:43:21] | Nido: | #!/bin/bash |
| [11:43:37] | ^V^: | I'm almost certain that if I run the backend from a shell manually it will shut down as expected |
| [11:43:40] | Nido: | echo "this is my mythtest $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 $7 $8 $9" >> /tmp/mythtest |
| [11:44:14] | Nido: | $1 – $9 are command line arguments |
| [11:44:45] | Nido: | (you might want to lower the treshold while testing, like 10 seconds)) |
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| [11:51:14] | ^V^: | Nido: Thanks, I'll try some of that out |
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| [11:55:21] | Nido: | good luck |
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| [12:41:33] | ^V^: | Nido: I've tested with a script that outputs text to a file. It worked as expected. I then tested a full startup-shutdown cycle and it worked too with the timeout set to 30s...I'll try now with it set back to 300s |
| [12:42:38] | Nido: | congratulationa |
| [12:42:40] | Nido: | *congratulations |
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| [12:55:51] | ^V^: | Nido: Not looking good :( The system does not shutdown when I set it to 300s timeout |
| [12:57:54] | Nido: | hrm |
| [12:58:14] | Nido: | how do the scripts work at 300s? |
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| [12:58:54] | ^V^: | They should work exactly the same as at 30s I would assume |
| [12:59:21] | ^V^: | The two scripts I use are here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . ext/ACPIWake |
| [12:59:40] | ^V^: | MythShutdownCheck and MythWakeSet |
| [13:07:41] | ^V^: | Nido: Whoa...just looked at the time...getting late. Thanks for the help. I'll play around with the timeouts some more tomorrow. Bye. |
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| [13:23:13] | black_Nightmare_: | since there isn't an irc channel decidated to it I thought I'll ask here out of curiousity — does hdmi 1.2+ make it reducency to have to manually select video input source on the tv etc right? (like a tv is on and when the hdmi dvd player starts the tv switches to that input on its own) |
| [13:24:58] | sid3windr: | reduncency? :| |
| [13:25:44] | Kezza491: | i am setting up my remote controll how do i go about making diffrent settings for all the components of mythtv so far i have set up mythtv and thats it |
| [13:25:52] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah sorry heh sid3windr |
| [13:32:28] | black_Nightmare_: | so any idea or not really sid3windr? |
| [13:33:21] | sid3windr: | nope, no clue at all |
| [13:33:27] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah thanks anyhow |
| [13:33:36] | sid3windr: | on my scart my stb does that |
| [13:33:39] | sid3windr: | but my wii or my htpc don't |
| [13:33:44] | sid3windr: | which is a pity |
| [13:34:32] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well scart doesn't even exist in this country (and I doubt importing would be easy... NTSC :p ) |
| [13:34:44] | black_Nightmare_: | figured didn't it? |
| [13:35:17] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [13:35:37] | ** sid3windr would like a way to make the pc switch the tv to its input automatically too :/ ** | |
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| [13:38:19] | XLV: | i know its a long shot, but has anyone here a skystar 2 card with nforce4 or nforce4 sli based motherboard? i see some problems that some had with asus a8n sli boards and that card, cause of card needing 5v and mb not being able to provide that voltage on pci ports properly, thing is i got a gigabyte k8n pro sli nf4 sli based mb in the htpc, i need to find out if its safe to add that card ( i have found two in nice price ) in the htpc |
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| [13:52:59] | Kezza491: | I tryed playing a dvd on mythtv box but none of them seem to play |
| [13:53:43] | Kezza491: | it gose to read the disc then just stops and fails to do anything |
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| [14:00:55] | teprrr: | does it work with some other player? |
| [14:01:15] | Kezza491: | no just the one that comes with mythtv |
| [14:01:46] | teprrr: | erm? have you tried to play it with mplayer? vlc? xine? |
| [14:02:33] | Kezza491: | not yet |
| [14:02:52] | Kezza491: | they work on normal dvd players and an xbox |
| [14:03:03] | teprrr: | you should try.. perhaps you're missing libdvdcss2 or something like that.. that is if you're trying to play encrypted dvds |
| [14:03:12] | teprrr: | encrypted as in css-licensed |
| [14:04:03] | teprrr: | which distro you're running? |
| [14:04:07] | Kezza491: | Mandriva |
| [14:04:58] | teprrr: | http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Desktop/Mult . . . DVD_Playback |
| [14:05:15] | Kezza491: | thank you |
| [14:05:20] | teprrr: | see "Q: I'm trying to play a Commercial DVD, but all I get is a warning that the DVD is encrypted / that I am not in the right region / all I see is garbage, what gives???" |
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| [14:08:46] | Kezza491: | ahh libdvdcss |
| [14:09:49] | teprrr: | if you have some non-commercial dvd you could test with it |
| [14:09:54] | teprrr: | or see mythtv logs |
| [14:10:02] | teprrr: | or try with some other player to see if it works with them |
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| [14:26:28] | XLV: | another question, hauppauge hvr 1700 work on mediaportal? cant find anything on wiki |
| [14:26:46] | XLV: | ehm.. wrong channel ... |
| [14:29:05] | ** black_Nightmare_ beat xlv with a mythtv-created stick :P ** | |
| [14:29:09] | black_Nightmare_: | heh just humoring you |
| [14:29:18] | black_Nightmare_: | no harm meant ;) |
| [14:31:45] | black_Nightmare_: | xlv if you don't mind me asking you this, how many different media systems do you have? |
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| [14:32:02] | XLV: | black_Nightmare_ yeah, well, i google for such a long time trying to find out what pci-e dvb-t or analog or even better hybrid tuners work on mythtv, that i messed up the channels.. |
| [14:32:30] | XLV: | black_Nightmare_ media systems? one htpc, on a 40" 1080p lcd, with one analog pci prv 250 hauppauge card for now |
| [14:32:47] | Kezza491: | dose any one have a template of an lircrc? |
| [14:33:01] | black_Nightmare_: | ah..so just running mediaportal for now but wishing to have mythtv working instead I presume? |
| [14:33:01] | Kezza491: | file |
| [14:35:10] | XLV: | need to add some dvb-s two of them, i found some good prices on skystar2, but i got just two pci slots, so i need pci-e or usb for analog and dvb-t.. all i can find is usb hauppauge wintv pvr and hvr 900, which cost twice as much as hvr 1700 ( not to mention i would have to buy two atleast wintv pbr usb.. and yeah i run both linux/mythtv and mediaportal on the htpc, i like the versatility of mythtv but tuner support and gpu accelerated support for the tim |
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| [14:36:02] | black_Nightmare_: | xlv..ah yeah I see |
| [14:36:08] | XLV: | *gpu accelerated h264 playback |
| [14:36:43] | black_Nightmare_: | xlv...well I have two non-mythtv tuners here .. but might eventually be looking at a mythtv-supportable hvr-1600 in a new cube system |
| [14:37:38] | black_Nightmare_: | one's a 3500TV agp .. other is .. well.. apple's own old one :"> |
| [14:38:05] | black_Nightmare_: | and I'm sure I'm correct that agp-based vivo aren't that well supportable outside windows yet |
| [14:40:44] | gbee: | lack of hardware h.264 decoding is a pain, but then it's becoming less and less of an issue as capable CPUs drop in price and wattage while ffmpeg decoding becomes more efficient |
| [14:41:44] | black_Nightmare_: | xlv just trying understand one thing anyhow, is skystar2 actually a 2-slots card? |
| [14:42:26] | XLV: | black_Nightmare_ no, i will install two of them for record from two different channels, or viewing one while recording on the other |
| [14:42:26] | gbee: | h.264 capable CPU cost me less than an Nvidia 8600 with h.264 decoding would |
| [14:42:38] | black_Nightmare_: | ohhh yeah I see your problem now |
| [14:43:16] | XLV: | gbee true, but then i'd need to change cpu,mb,ram, htpc is 3800x2 s939, i'd need to go c2d, which is an option, but costly |
| [14:44:12] | XLV: | asus p5gc+c2d t7200+2GB ddr2 ~160 euro not bank breaking i know.. maybe i'll go that way, then i'd have 6 pci slots to install tuners.. |
| [14:44:14] | gbee: | my 3600 X2 does just fine |
| [14:44:40] | XLV: | gbee everyone in here suggest at least a c2d ~2.5Ghz core to be on the safe side |
| [14:45:41] | gbee: | if you are buying new and want to be on the safe side then yes, EITHER an X2 or C2D of around ~2.4Ghz should be enough |
| [14:46:13] | gbee: | but broadcast h.264 in the UK (only BBC currently) plays ok with ~2Ghz |
| [14:46:34] | gbee: | doesn't have to be a C2D at all |
| [14:46:52] | XLV: | hmm.. bummer.. p5gc doesnt support 45nm at all.. it'll have to be e6600 or e6700 then |
| [14:47:21] | XLV: | gbee i think people in here claim amd cores are less powerful, so more GHz is needed when using them |
| [14:47:56] | black_Nightmare_: | well I'm going off for now, bye ;) |
| [14:48:18] | gbee: | downloaded h.264 usually has a much higher compression + lower quality, so 2Ghz is probably not enough but broadcast is lower compression and needs less horsepower |
| [14:48:32] | gbee: | I'd experiment with the 3800 first |
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| [14:49:02] | gbee: | using the skiploop patch and making sure to enable threaded decoding |
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| [14:51:39] | gbee: | I've no idea what people claim about AMD cores, but my experience from user accounts is that x2 ~2.4Ghz is safe enough and that my x2 2Ghz can play high bitrate 1080i h.264 |
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| [14:52:32] | gbee: | assuming it's sliced anyway – there are pockets of single sliced broadcast h.264 out there |
| [14:53:03] | dmz: | what's everyones favorite tuner card these days? I'm thinking about supplementing my happauge 500 dual tuner |
| [14:53:04] | ivor: | gbee: does the amount of compression impact the playback muck though? it certainly doesn't for mpeg2. |
| [14:53:24] | ivor: | s/muck/much/ :) |
| [14:53:27] | dmz: | isn't compression / decompression best left to hardware these days? |
| [14:53:32] | dmz: | not cpu |
| [14:53:38] | EvilGuru: | dmz: Nope |
| [14:53:43] | dmz: | really? |
| [14:54:14] | dmz: | i'm very happy with my little 1ghz via board that wouldn't even function if it wasn't for the mpeg decoder in it |
| [14:54:17] | Kezza491: | in the lircrc file is the TV player and the menu system under the same name? |
| [14:54:32] | EvilGuru: | dmz: Please do not mention the forbidden word here :) |
| [14:54:37] | dmz: | hehe |
| [14:54:42] | gbee: | dmz: if a) hardware exists (much less of it around than you'd think) b) is supported by the operating system (not at all in linux because manufacturers won't release details or drivers) c) the application supports it (see b) |
| [14:54:44] | dmz: | may i ask why? |
| [14:55:09] | dmz: | but i'm cheap, i can't afford big boxes for every tv in the house :( |
| [14:55:21] | EvilGuru: | dmz: Can you afford a P2 450Mhz? |
| [14:55:35] | ivor: | indeed, tends to be a game of leapfrog as technology moves on and algorithms become commoditized and built into chips... then a new algorithm comes along and CPU's take over. |
| [14:55:37] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, so getting "video" playback of non recordings through the backend rather than a network isn't too hard and wworks well..... wonder how poainful it will be to playback a DVD |
| [14:55:37] | gbee: | even my old celly 800 could play mpeg2, it's not even a question of that anymore – it's all about h.264 these days |
| [14:55:40] | dmz: | i've spent about $100 on each tv via box, have 4 of them |
| [14:55:51] | GreyFoxx: | I suppose I could try and treat it like an ISO rather than as seperate files... that might work |
| [14:55:58] | PatrickDK: | I spent $15 on the two 2.8ghz frontends I use :) |
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| [14:56:18] | gbee: | ivor: higher compression increases CPU requirements – if you've got the CPU then it's not a problem |
| [14:56:21] | dmz: | heh |
| [14:56:46] | PatrickDK: | motherboards has craploads of bad caps, company trashed them, ordered new ones, and installed. |
| [14:57:00] | dmz: | but i want fanless, too noisy for bigger boxes & wife doesn't like it to look like a geeks house (the living space is her's to decorate and she doesn't say a thing about my workshop or office:) |
| [14:57:08] | ivor: | gbee: how much impact does that have on playback i.e. decoding was my point though. for mpeg2 high compression doesn't make very much difference at the decode point... all the effort is in the compression side. |
| [14:57:25] | sid3windr: | my bedroom frontend isn't fanless — I didn't install it there yet but I don't really hear it either |
| [14:57:25] | EvilGuru: | ivor: H.264 is different |
| [14:57:29] | dmz: | ok, i gotta get out of the hose before it gets too hot |
| [14:57:31] | sid3windr: | will see how it goes in the bedroom ;) |
| [14:57:37] | ivor: | EvilGuru: cheers, that was my question. :) |
| [14:58:01] | PatrickDK: | heh, I just mounted my myth box in the bedroom closet, out of sight, no issues :) |
| [14:58:07] | EvilGuru: | It is a lot more intensive, a few weeks back people were talking of 2.5Ghz Core 2's for decoding HD PVR content (1080i) |
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| [14:59:29] | gbee: | ivor: depends on whether the increase compression comes from throwing away information or just more more agressive packing ;) in mpeg2 it was mostly the former, with other codecs it's the latter |
| [14:59:45] | clever: | PatrickDK: ive ran usb&audio&video lines from my master thru the floor to my bedroom before:P |
| [14:59:51] | ivor: | EvilGuru: er yeah I'm not talking about the different playback demands of mpeg2 vs h264.. the question was whether a highly compressed h264 recording takes moer horsepower to play back than a lowly compressed one. |
| [15:00:02] | clever: | its weird to use a computer(xterm on tvout) and not hear all the fans |
| [15:00:03] | ivor: | gbee: aye. |
| [15:00:12] | EvilGuru: | ivor: It is more how it is encoded |
| [15:00:23] | EvilGuru: | So what features are used etc |
| [15:02:29] | PatrickDK: | clever, I have done that too, but then if you do happen to ever want to watch a dvd, or something, it's annoying |
| [15:02:32] | ivor: | clever: is it? seems perfectly normal to me. |
| [15:02:39] | gbee: | if you aren't discarding much information (lossy) then decompressing it is nearly as intensive as the the compression, h.264 features a few methods for packing in more information at the expense of CPU when decoding though some complicated (i.e. stuff I don't understand) algos |
| [15:03:03] | clever: | PatrickDK: yeah but the tower is currently behind a microwave on a tv stand |
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| [15:03:08] | clever: | i cant put dvd's in it anyway |
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| [15:03:15] | clever: | and i removed the dvd drive also:P |
| [15:03:34] | clever: | would be simpler to just have a stand alone dvd player with the tv |
| [15:03:42] | PatrickDK: | na |
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| [15:03:53] | PatrickDK: | if I put in a dvd, I want to rip it, so I don't have to put it in again :) |
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| [15:04:00] | clever: | also my 'stand alone' player is part of the 6 channel stereo |
| [15:04:02] | ivor: | gbee: I'll have to play with h264 a bit more.... |
| [15:04:08] | clever: | if i play a dvd from the computer i loose 4 channels:P |
| [15:05:55] | gbee: | ivor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264#Profiles |
| [15:06:15] | PatrickDK: | clever, sounds like a personal issue :) |
| [15:06:42] | clever: | PatrickDK: the computer&stereo only have 2 channel out/in |
| [15:07:00] | clever: | but the stereo(also a 5 disk dvd player) has 6 speakers |
| [15:07:12] | ivor: | gbee: yeah, scary isn't it? |
| [15:07:34] | clever: | gbee: but how would i tell which profile the file is encoded with? |
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| [15:08:32] | ** gbee shrugs ** | |
| [15:08:50] | gbee: | I assume the profile information is included in a frame header or something |
| [15:08:59] | clever: | ive only had 1 264 file play well on my old 1ghz laptop, and it was 640x480 |
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| [15:14:37] | Kezza491: | when setting an lircrc file how can you tell the computer the differance between MythTV Frontend and MythTV Playback ? |
| [15:15:38] | clever: | http://productsandservice.aliant.net/PS/nb/en . . . subsection=3 |
| [15:15:48] | clever: | is mythtv able to record iptv based things like that? |
| [15:15:50] | iamlindoro_: | You don't. In the lircrc, MythTV=MythTV=MythTV |
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| [15:16:35] | Kezza491: | Ohh the how can i go about setting it up so that it can? |
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| [15:16:46] | iamlindoro_: | You *don't* |
| [15:17:21] | iamlindoro_: | entires in lircrc with program = mythtv apply to all of mythtv, not just individual elements |
| [15:17:37] | Kezza491: | ok looking at the "mythweb" "Key Bindings" they are some how able to determine the differance |
| [15:17:51] | iamlindoro_: | Those are keyboard bindings, they have nothing to do with lirc |
| [15:17:59] | Kezza491: | ok |
| [15:18:15] | clever: | lirc buttons are bound to keys on the keyboard |
| [15:18:21] | clever: | which are then bound to actions in areas like "mythweb" "Key Bindings" |
| [15:18:31] | Kezza491: | ohh ok |
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| [15:18:59] | Kezza491: | so if i want them to preform diffrent task i change the Key Bindings and then referance the lirc to that button? |
| [15:19:05] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [15:19:11] | Kezza491: | ok i get ya |
| [15:19:16] | clever: | just need to find a key that isnt allready in use |
| [15:19:23] | clever: | or delete one you dont use |
| [15:20:29] | Kezza491: | ok i have notice that in the key bindings they have "Volume Up" can i use that as an lircrc entry? |
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| [15:21:12] | clever: | volume up is ] by default and i had no trouble using it in my lircrc |
| [15:21:16] | clever: | button = VOL+ |
| [15:21:17] | clever: | config = ] |
| [15:21:28] | Kezza491: | ok |
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| [15:21:40] | clever: | but the 'button' name changes from config to config |
| [15:22:03] | Kezza491: | yeah using an twinhan hid |
| [15:23:29] | GreyFoxx: | kezz: I have one in a draw, I found it annoying and never used it for more than some quick tests |
| [15:23:37] | GreyFoxx: | the one I have is basically a usb keyboard |
| [15:23:58] | Kezza491: | hmm |
| [15:24:18] | GreyFoxx: | I could have remapped the buttons I imagine, just never bothered |
| [15:24:21] | Kezza491: | Yeah i am testing out mythtv to see if it will be any good then i might splurg on a really nice machine with more than 1 tvcard |
| [15:25:05] | Dibblah: | Well, you're unlikely to hear cries of "it's not worth it" from this crowd ;) |
| [15:26:20] | clever: | trying to save every recording on a 300gig 'drive' is a pain, get more space:P |
| [15:26:44] | clever: | my dad still thinks 80gig is a large harddrive:( |
| [15:26:45] | Kezza491: | well if all works out i will get a 1TB harddrive |
| [15:26:58] | clever: | nice |
| [15:27:14] | Kezza491: | and something better than a damn twinhan driving me up the wall |
| [15:27:17] | ** Dibblah would recommend staying with 500Gb... ** | |
| [15:27:34] | clever: | Dibblah: why less? |
| [15:27:37] | Kezza491: | well yeah i its cheaper here to get the 2 500GB and raid them |
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| [15:27:57] | Dibblah: | Kezza491: Would seriously recommend NOT using RAID in that way. |
| [15:28:15] | clever: | or get a 500g and then wait a few months to let your wallet&drive fill:P |
| [15:28:18] | Kezza491: | just a simple raid not with recovery or anything like that |
| [15:28:20] | clever: | then get another 500 |
| [15:28:32] | Dibblah: | It's all about failure chances. |
| [15:28:46] | Kezza491: | Dibblah: Huh? please go on |
| [15:29:07] | Dibblah: | Most failures are mechanical in nature. A 500Gb drive usually has half the platters of it's Tb cousin. |
| [15:29:34] | clever: | Dibblah: ive noticed some 1 or 2 bit errors in a couple of my files |
| [15:29:47] | Dibblah: | ... So less heads, less media, less stress on the rotation servo / head actuator. |
| [15:29:58] | clever: | i got bored when i found damaged files(bad crc) so i diff'ed them |
| [15:30:04] | Kezza491: | woo to much maths for me |
| [15:30:09] | clever: | and it was mostly 1 bit in 170mb bad |
| [15:30:16] | Dibblah: | Kezza491: More spinny bits == bad. |
| [15:30:17] | clever: | for the files that where actualy damaged |
| [15:30:23] | Dibblah: | Less spinny bits == good. |
| [15:30:34] | clever: | ssd=good good:P |
| [15:30:38] | Dibblah: | So, if you can, stay with a single drive. |
| [15:30:43] | praet: | more moving parts the more chances of failure |
| [15:30:52] | Dibblah: | And back up the bits you care about. |
| [15:31:04] | clever: | i can allways rerecord any of my shows |
| [15:31:09] | Kezza491: | well its just storing videos nothing major |
| [15:31:12] | clever: | so theres no real need to backup the recordings |
| [15:31:20] | Dibblah: | Agreed, if you're single :( |
| [15:31:24] | clever: | lol |
| [15:31:24] | praet: | i use 'precussive maintenance' on my harddrives to keep them working |
| [15:31:37] | Kezza491: | 'precussive maintenance' ? |
| [15:31:39] | praet: | which means bashing on them till they work |
| [15:31:45] | Dibblah: | praet: What you're saying is you enjoy hitting on it? |
| [15:32:06] | praet: | actually thats my technique on all work hardware |
| [15:32:09] | clever: | Dibblah: if the hdd goes tits up and you lose the soaps, you could just torrent them:P, techincaly you allready paid for 1 viewing that your stretching with mythtv |
| [15:32:09] | praet: | :) |
| [15:32:29] | Dibblah: | clever: Let's not get into that discussion again :) |
| [15:32:36] | clever: | yeah |
| [15:32:59] | praet: | Dibblah: i agree though, losing recordings is no problem if you are single, but if WAF are invloved.. better watch out |
| [15:33:15] | clever: | raid mirror a pair of 500g drives:P |
| [15:33:16] | Dibblah: | Currently, I run a 1.4Tb 8 drive array. |
| [15:33:21] | Dibblah: | (RAID5) |
| [15:33:29] | praet: | what fs |
| [15:33:33] | Dibblah: | Backed up to a 1.2Tb RAID5. |
| [15:33:39] | Dibblah: | XFS. Stupidly. |
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| [15:33:56] | praet: | how many drives in the 1.2 |
| [15:34:07] | Dibblah: | 4, ISTR. |
| [15:34:13] | clever: | Dibblah: my dad still thinks striping interleaves every byte |
| [15:34:33] | clever: | which is just dumb, how much cpu does it cost to put the bytes back together:( |
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| [16:04:23] | Kezza491: | Huh |
| [16:04:44] | Kezza491: | when i run mythfilldatabase my guide dose not get populated what have i done wrong? |
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| [16:10:00] | Kezza491: | Ohh i think i found out why |
| [16:12:12] | thatdood: | what did you find? |
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| [16:24:15] | Kezza491: | the program i use looks for a mysql.txt file in mythtv directory |
| [16:24:20] | Kezza491: | but theres no file to be found |
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| [16:31:54] | thatdood: | i've been using EIT for guide data, thats not working out too well |
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| [16:33:48] | Kezza491: | i use shepherd |
| [16:37:03] | Kezza491: | did mythtv always use xml to store the database details or has it in the past used mysql.txt? |
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| [16:38:04] | thatdood: | not sure, only been using it a month |
| [16:38:39] | clever: | it used to be mysql.txt |
| [16:38:59] | clever: | and my system is still using the txt even though it knows how to handle the xml |
| [16:40:14] | Kezza491: | what are the values that it holds i need to write a config file for my program |
| [16:42:30] | Kezza491: | so far i got theses but i think i am missing one"DBHostName=localhost DBUserName= – DBPassword= – DBName=mythconverg DBPort=0" |
| [16:42:46] | clever: | they can be set from mythfrontend |
| [16:42:59] | Kezza491: | mine save them as an xml file |
| [16:43:14] | clever: | everything should use the xml file then and just work |
| [16:43:52] | Kezza491: | well that would be the perfect world but they dont unfortunatly :( this program is the grabber |
| [16:44:00] | clever: | ahhh |
| [16:44:12] | clever: | DBType=QMYSQL3 |
| [16:44:27] | Kezza491: | is that all i was missing :| |
| [16:44:40] | clever: | thats the only uncommented one i have which you didnt name |
| [16:44:52] | Kezza491: | huh |
| [16:45:03] | clever: | #WOLsqlReconnectWaitTime=0 |
| [16:45:06] | clever: | #WOLsqlCommand=echo 'WOLsqlServerCommand not set' |
| [16:45:19] | clever: | ones i have but are commented(not doing anything) |
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| [17:06:58] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: whats wrong with XFS? |
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| [17:10:06] | Dibblah: | wagnerrp: When I needed it, recovery is. |
| [17:10:37] | Dibblah: | On that size of filesystem, an xfs_repair took about 6Gb of mapped memory. |
| [17:10:50] | illsci: | hey ive had this ati tv wonder 650 card forever and I still don't see it supported... is there a reason other than the people smart enought to write the code to support it are busy or something or the cards that are supported work great... if thats the case ill just go get an older one... this is on linux.. btw |
| [17:11:02] | Dibblah: | ... And since I was on x86 at the time, it didn't complete. |
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| [17:52:42] | justinh: | illsci: even very clever people need datasheets to help them make drivers |
| [17:53:03] | justinh: | anyway ATI are out of the tuner card business now. shows how much they care :) |
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| [18:03:46] | directhex: | justinh, was that tuners, or just their in-tv accelerator chip i forget the name of? |
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| [18:03:52] | directhex: | xileon or somesuch |
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| [18:06:49] | iamlindoro_: | douchetron |
| [18:09:08] | Dibblah: | excrevision? |
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| [18:16:34] | justinh: | AFAIK it was everything to do with tuners |
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| [18:25:39] | sphery: | It's Xileon, and I'd guess they're still in that business because they had a large part of the market (in spite of the fact that the processors are barely passable as an HDTV decoder--on high bitrate content in fast-changing scenes, it often tends to skip frames--though I don't think any of the competitor's products are better). |
| [18:25:46] | sphery: | Xilleon, actually. |
| [18:29:47] | justinh: | article I read reckoned they were ditching tuners. hey ho |
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| [18:33:27] | sphery: | yeah, not much money in tuners |
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| [18:34:09] | sphery: | the Xilleon is the HDTV decoder, though, so they can charge a bit of a premium. Especially as they add new features (like DivX support, H.264, ...) |
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| [18:34:52] | sphery: | So, I was just saying that your comment probably was talking about ATI TV wonder kind of stuff rather than ATI Xilleon stuff. |
| [18:35:16] | sphery: | Guess it's now officiall AMD Xilleon, though. |
| [18:39:49] | dmz: | anyone here use mythrename.pl with multiple storage directories? |
| [18:40:14] | dmz: | it seems to only go through my primary (original) storage directory |
| [18:41:07] | sphery: | dmz: works fine for me. |
| [18:41:18] | dmz: | sphery, hmm do you use any different command line options? |
| [18:41:35] | sphery: | You must have local access to the files, though, so if they're on another system, you'll need network sharing. |
| [18:41:49] | dmz: | no it's all local disk so far |
| [18:41:53] | dmz: | and only 2 storage locations |
| [18:42:13] | sphery: | Well, I /always/ use --link (and anyone who doesn't is asking for trouble as I know of several bugs in the MythTV code that don't properly handle all renamed files). |
| [18:42:31] | sphery: | and both are in Default group? |
| [18:42:38] | dmz: | i ran w/out link 1 time so i have lots of old files that were renamed anyway :) |
| [18:42:43] | dmz: | yeah both are in defaultgroup |
| [18:42:45] | dmz: | let me try with link |
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| [18:43:10] | sphery: | and the user running mythrename.pl has all required permissions to the directories and files? |
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| [18:43:19] | dmz: | yup |
| [18:43:26] | dmz: | running it as myth user so same permission as backend |
| [18:44:19] | sphery: | dmz: might want to read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/331410#331410 (and "undo" the renaming and start using --link) |
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| [18:45:25] | sphery: | dmz: and you have a current copy of mythrename.pl? I'd download http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . l?format=txt and diff it against yours |
| [18:45:34] | sphery: | if they're not the same, your system is using an old one |
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| [18:45:50] | sphery: | (that's /very/ likely to break things, so telling your packager would be a good thing) |
| [18:46:28] | sphery: | You also need a current version of the MythTV Perl bindings. (Don't know if that's a different package on your system.) |
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| [18:46:46] | dmz: | i am using a fairly recent 0.21 |
| [18:46:51] | dmz: | or should be :) |
| [18:47:01] | sphery: | right, but whether all parts were upgraded... :) |
| [18:47:06] | dmz: | true |
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| [18:49:46] | sphery: | Anyway, good luck. If nothing else, know that it should work (so keep checking your config). I've gotta run. |
| [18:50:01] | dmz: | ahh, yeah had a version that wasn't current |
| [18:50:04] | dmz: | looking good now |
| [18:50:14] | dmz: | ok now to move everything back to the "right" name & use --link from now on :) |
| [18:50:24] | sphery: | OK, caught me just before I left... |
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| [18:50:48] | sphery: | Any chance you could report the issue to your packager. If other systems have old versions, it could do real damage. |
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| [18:50:56] | sphery: | which distro, btw? |
| [18:52:20] | dmz: | actually using debian but i hadn't moved the latest mythrename.pl from distro contrib dir into my mythtv bin dir |
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| [18:52:42] | dmz: | one of the things i forgot to look at when i upgraded to 0.21 a little bit back |
| [18:52:47] | sphery: | Oh, OK. I feel much less worry, then. |
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| [18:52:54] | dmz: | yeah my own fault :) |
| [18:52:55] | sphery: | thx |
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| [18:54:39] | dmz: | yeah and now it's doing multiple storage directories |
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| [19:06:33] | black_Nightmare_: | how come component is often named 'colorstream' on tvs/etc anyway? |
| [19:06:48] | iamlindoro_: | It's not. At least, not often. |
| [19:07:12] | black_Nightmare_: | hm..must just be me then, heh sorry |
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| [19:14:02] | black_Nightmare_: | is LG the only one making a good budget bluray&hdvd-readable drive for pcs? |
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| [19:21:52] | wagnerrp: | so if ATI is ditching tuners, does that mean there are no longer any cablecard tuners available? |
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| [19:24:35] | justinh: | not that it meant they'd be any use for linux of course, so what's the difference? |
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| [19:37:38] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [19:38:11] | wagnerrp: | cable was just out briefly |
| [19:38:57] | wagnerrp: | i walk upstairs and sit down at the computer |
| [19:39:07] | wagnerrp: | sister yells up 'the cable is out, what did you break?' |
| [19:39:24] | wagnerrp: | i yell back 'youre on the other side of the house, i cant understand a damn word you said' |
| [19:39:26] | black_Nightmare_: | ic heh |
| [19:39:43] | wagnerrp: | i guess the cableco was updating some system |
| [19:40:09] | wagnerrp: | by the time i carried a TV to the input line in the basement, it was working again |
| [19:41:24] | justinh: | sod's law |
| [19:42:01] | ** black_Nightmare_ sometimes wish the sci-fi channel didn't keep going out often here ** | |
| [19:44:07] | wagnerrp: | cant say ive ever heard it called 'sods law' |
| [19:50:23] | justinh: | similar to Murphy's law :) |
| [19:50:40] | wagnerrp: | right, just adds the 'at the worst possible time' |
| [19:51:13] | black_Nightmare_: | hehehe murphy's law.... |
| [19:51:31] | black_Nightmare_: | I still have that old email printout titled 'murphy's law offshot' |
| [19:51:41] | black_Nightmare_: | one of the line was like "if the ball is rolling its rolling in the wrong direction" |
| [19:52:51] | dmz: | sounds like some pool games |
| [19:52:57] | black_Nightmare_: | or to use thermonuclear to fix any problem (by just blowing it up!) |
| [19:53:04] | black_Nightmare_: | that list sure was too funny |
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| [19:57:49] | dmz: | hey, mythfrontend can run on an xbox right? thats old xbox right? i happen to have one sitting around... |
| [19:58:01] | justinh: | ffs |
| [19:58:01] | justinh: | router is being an arse again |
| [19:58:26] | black_Nightmare_: | either way I guess this seem reasonably priced? http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26 . . . promoid=1019 |
| [19:58:29] | justinh: | dmz: yes, but it's not very good compared to a real linux machine with more ram |
| [19:58:35] | black_Nightmare_: | (just purely for mythtv yeah) |
| [19:59:15] | dmz: | my box in the bedroom died and with 3rd baby born i can't convince wife to spend $$ on new hw but she still wants her recordings in the bedroom while she nurses |
| [19:59:22] | dmz: | yeah a new project :) |
| [19:59:49] | black_Nightmare_: | dmz heh sounds like an interesting project for sure |
| [19:59:49] | directhex: | xbmc? |
| [20:00:12] | directhex: | it's smoother & faster, it not as user-friendly for tv |
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| [20:02:12] | justinh: | it's SMOOTH & FAST, something which mythfrontend on an xbox can never be |
| [20:02:34] | justinh: | in the UK some GAME stores have 2nd user xboxes for £10 |
| [20:02:49] | justinh: | definitely worth a punt. I don't even know where my xbox is |
| [20:03:39] | directhex: | how can you lose something the size of an xbox? |
| [20:05:49] | justinh: | in my house, pretty easily |
| [20:07:03] | GreyFoxx: | ehe I know that feeling |
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| [20:13:08] | SHADOW__X: | hello |
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| [20:16:25] | mrfaye: | how to you get mythtv to use the line in as the source for sound |
| [20:19:04] | mrfaye: | beuler? |
| [20:20:39] | kslater: | mrfaye, maybe you could give some sort of details about what sort of device you're referring to? |
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| [20:22:43] | mrfaye: | im using a bt878 only for video via composite |
| [20:23:17] | mrfaye: | sound is going to line in on sound card, have serial cable to cable box to tell it to change channels. only thing that doesnt work is sound recording. in kdetv sound works |
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| [20:24:19] | mrfaye: | i got it to work once before... but had an issue where i had to reload the system |
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| [20:29:43] | stuarta: | evening all |
| [20:29:45] | kslater: | mrfaye: sorry it's been way too long since I've done anything with a framegrabber card |
| [20:29:49] | MrGandalf: | maybe there's more activity here.. |
| [20:29:53] | SHADOW__X: | hello stuarta |
| [20:30:21] | stuarta: | MrGandalf: there's always more life here, which is why i avoid it during office hours |
| [20:30:33] | MrGandalf: | ah |
| [20:30:48] | MrGandalf: | get sucked in? |
| [20:30:57] | stuarta: | SNR |
| [20:31:12] | SHADOW__X: | any of you guys want to hear about an interesting thing i found with analog on a hvr-1800 using mythtv? |
| [20:31:37] | SHADOW__X: | :) |
| [20:31:39] | stuarta: | you can talk, we can't promise to listen :) |
| [20:33:27] | SHADOW__X: | ah well analog works under tvtime and mplayer ivtv-tune works but i have to use them first before analog will work in mythtv also myth doesn "know" what channel the card is currently on and if you change the channel it hangs |
| [20:33:54] | stuarta: | sounds vaguely like we got the tuning wrong |
| [20:34:35] | SHADOW__X: | well i made a script that takes the arguments correctly buit myth doesnt run the script |
| [20:34:52] | stuarta: | that sounds more like configuration |
| [20:34:59] | SHADOW__X: | ok |
| [20:35:19] | stuarta: | research topic: channel changing script |
| [20:35:36] | stuarta: | although, not entirely sure why you need it on analogue |
| [20:35:45] | stuarta: | thought we could control that directly |
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| [20:36:00] | SHADOW__X: | i have asked people here about it and according to what they said my script is fine |
| [20:36:10] | SHADOW__X: | if there is a way i can fix it i would |
| [20:36:16] | SHADOW__X: | i just dont know where to begin |
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| [20:42:16] | MrGandalf: | damned wireless.. |
| [20:42:31] | MrGandalf: | I'm forgetting my irc etiquette.. |
| [20:42:32] | MrGandalf: | re |
| [20:42:57] | mrfaye: | what's this 'etiquette' you speak of? |
| [20:43:05] | MrGandalf: | "re" |
| [20:43:26] | ** stuarta pines for the days of old skool irc ** | |
| [20:43:33] | ** mrfaye maples ** | |
| [20:43:40] | stuarta: | ppl get booted off channels for doing funny smilies |
| [20:43:47] | SHADOW__X: | heh |
| [20:43:54] | mrfaye: | apparently you haven't been to #slackware |
| [20:43:54] | MrGandalf: | shame |
| [20:43:57] | stuarta: | !trout mrfaye |
| [20:43:57] | ** MythLogBot slaps mrfaye with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [20:44:26] | mrfaye: | if you want to go back to the neolithic age of relay chat, ..... go there |
| [20:44:31] | stuarta: | there's a good reason for that |
| [20:44:41] | stuarta: | i gave up on slackware about 10yrs ago |
| [20:44:45] | mrfaye: | lol |
| [20:44:57] | MrGandalf: | mrfaye: We're there now.. |
| [20:44:59] | stuarta: | nice in it's day |
| [20:45:21] | MrGandalf: | not much has changed with irc |
| [20:45:34] | ** stuarta went from SLS -> slackware -> failing to install fedora -> debian ** | |
| [20:45:35] | MrGandalf: | except it's all split up now |
| [20:45:47] | stuarta: | s/fedora/redhat |
| [20:46:04] | MrGandalf: | SLS? |
| [20:46:19] | stuarta: | erm. Software Landing System IIRC |
| [20:46:33] | stuarta: | basically the distro for Linux 0.99r13 |
| [20:46:41] | MrGandalf: | I was big into netbsd then. |
| [20:46:57] | MrGandalf: | I tried Linux then once.. bugged me. |
| [20:47:01] | stuarta: | first publicly released version that was usable by anyone but the devs |
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| [20:47:26] | stuarta: | my mate was into freebsd then |
| [20:47:41] | MrGandalf: | I got into that after netbsd |
| [20:48:01] | justinh: | some of my best friends use freebsd :P |
| [20:48:02] | stuarta: | tbh i still think that bsd had a *way* better scheduler |
| [20:48:02] | MrGandalf: | since netbsd didn't support smp |
| [20:48:07] | justinh: | Of course that's a lie :) |
| [20:48:22] | stuarta: | justinh: you don't have friends :-P |
| [20:49:02] | justinh: | but there's lappy here.. so I DO have friends. Well, one at any rate :P |
| [20:50:10] | stuarta: | how's puppy? |
| [20:50:15] | justinh: | mad as ever |
| [20:50:16] | stuarta: | !seen Beirdo |
| [20:50:16] | MythLogBot: | Beirdo is here and has been idle for 7 days 20 hours 56 minutes 24 seconds |
| [20:50:22] | stuarta: | heh |
| [20:50:37] | ** stuarta wonders how his not so puppy is ** | |
| [20:50:43] | justinh: | getting him off lead more & more these days, which is great for both of our souls :D |
| [20:50:56] | stuarta: | getting more obedient? |
| [20:51:06] | justinh: | he still has no facking road sense though, so have to be careful |
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| [20:51:10] | ** stuarta notices his compile has finished ** | |
| [20:51:30] | stuarta: | at least you can train that into a lab |
| [20:51:34] | justinh: | more a case of me trusting him. he obeys when he feels like it I think – pretty much normal for any dog |
| [20:52:11] | justinh: | loved it on holiday with us in cornwall. beaches, long walks.. and I mean long. lots of wet too |
| [20:52:23] | stuarta: | bassets however follow their nose, even if it leads them straight across a 6 lane highway |
| [20:52:34] | justinh: | wifey bought him a paddling pool at the weekend while I was away oop north |
| [20:52:42] | stuarta: | bet he loved that |
| [20:53:05] | justinh: | oh yeah. black isn't a good colour to be when you're a dog in 30'C heat |
| [20:53:19] | stuarta: | er, no |
| [20:53:27] | justinh: | and when our garden eventually gets sunshine there's FA shade |
| [20:54:12] | justinh: | was a bit scorchio last weekend though. pity I had to spend 3 hours in the car on sunday afternoon |
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| [20:58:48] | MrGandalf: | ah, time to go home.. glorious |
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| [21:05:40] | keith4: | FA? |
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| [21:08:10] | justinh: | keith4: rhymes with "duck all" |
| [21:08:26] | ** keith4 nods ** | |
| [21:09:08] | keith4: | i can't keep up with your strange slang from across the pond |
| [21:09:35] | keith4: | although i do find it interesting |
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| [21:12:34] | justinh: | comes from 'sweet FA' which is lumped together with "sweet fanny adams", meaning "not very much/none at all" :P |
| [21:12:45] | justinh: | as for where it came from, I don't know/care |
| [21:13:07] | justinh: | we'll get you all speaking English one of these days I'm sure of that :D |
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| [21:15:58] | keith4: | hmmmm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Adams |
| [21:16:33] | ** stuarta beats the epg monkeys with a stick ** | |
| [21:17:03] | stuarta: | eediots go changing the seriesid when clearly i've already seen it before |
| [21:18:01] | clever: | ive also seen the title change randomly |
| [21:18:06] | clever: | causing the rule to stop matching |
| [21:19:52] | stuarta: | all the time that happens here |
| [21:20:06] | stuarta: | hence the uk fixups are evil |
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| [21:33:40] | SHADOW__X: | what is firewire tester under |
| [21:33:55] | iamlindoro_: | contrib |
| [21:34:13] | iamlindoro_: | locate firewire_tester.c |grep contrib |
| [21:35:33] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
| [21:35:40] | SHADOW__X: | thanks iamlindoro_ |
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| [21:46:28] | SHADOW__X: | iamlindoro_ where is it on this site http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/contrib |
| [21:46:36] | SHADOW__X: | the one under development wont compile |
| [21:46:41] | iamlindoro_: | sure it will |
| [21:46:43] | iamlindoro_: | you just can't compile it |
| [21:47:14] | SHADOW__X: | why cant i |
| [21:47:17] | iamlindoro_: | did you compile it as it mentions in the comments? |
| [21:47:35] | iamlindoro_: | and do you have dev packages for the included libraries? |
| [21:48:00] | iamlindoro_: | I would venture that you can't compile it because you didn't read the instructions or because you lack the deps :) |
| [21:48:25] | clever: | i allways use the error as a hint as to what package to install next |
| [21:48:46] | ** iamlindoro_ takes this silence as tacit agreement :) ** | |
| [21:49:10] | SHADOW__X: | i thought your ultimate goal was silence |
| [21:49:12] | SHADOW__X: | :) |
| [21:49:16] | iamlindoro_: | Hmmm |
| [21:49:21] | iamlindoro_: | I guess there's some truth to that |
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| [21:53:13] | iamlindoro_: | Then again, I don't mind hearing "You were right iamlindoro, thanks." |
| [21:53:46] | SHADOW__X: | you were right iamlindoro_ thanks |
| [21:53:51] | SHADOW__X: | this time ya got both |
| [21:53:52] | SHADOW__X: | :D |
| [21:53:52] | iamlindoro_: | \o/ |
| [21:53:56] | justinh: | ahh the silence of the arrogant noobs. I'm all for that |
| [21:54:20] | SHADOW__X: | thats alittle rought calling me a noob |
| [21:54:36] | SHADOW__X: | i wouldnt say that i was a seasoned veteran but def higher than a noob |
| [21:54:43] | justinh: | I meant in general, not you personally |
| [21:54:44] | SHADOW__X: | i blame this one on not thinking |
| [21:54:47] | SHADOW__X: | ah ok |
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| [21:55:23] | justinh: | we all know the ones – they ask for advice/help & just ignore reasonable requests for more info etc :) |
| [21:55:48] | SHADOW__X: | ah yes |
| [21:55:55] | SHADOW__X: | iwanna get a n810 :) |
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| [22:03:13] | KjetilK: | weird |
| [22:03:24] | KjetilK: | mythtv appeared to die at midnight... |
| [22:03:32] | KjetilK: | hmmmm, too late to debug now... |
| [22:06:56] | stuarta: | eh? the best debugging is done between midnight & 3am with a stiff drink! |
| [22:07:18] | clever: | http://linuxgazette.net/152/xkcd.html |
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| [22:12:22] | directhex: | KjetilK, do you have a listings source? |
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| [22:13:50] | KjetilK: | directhex: what's that? |
| [22:14:04] | directhex: | KjetilK, a source for listings |
| [22:15:17] | KjetilK: | mmm, if I had been working on my own biological schedule, I would probably be working right now, yes, but I'm afraid I'm not connecting the dots right now |
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| [22:17:59] | KjetilK: | but there is nothing in any of the myth* logs about this |
| [22:18:02] | directhex: | you know how tv stations broadcast things with some kind of order, rather than finding tapes lying around the office floor & screening them at random, yes? |
| [22:18:07] | Nido: | is it possible to tell mythtv that a day starts at 03:00 instead of 00:00? For recording shows 'on the same day', There's a show starting 00:05 which is the same as one at 20:00, both the same episode |
| [22:18:34] | KjetilK: | ah, well, it was the whole mythfrontend that exited, not just mythtv |
| [22:18:38] | Nido: | if I tell mythtv to record "one episode per day", it considers the one of 00:05 to be of the next day |
| [22:19:06] | directhex: | Nido, NAFAIK |
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| [22:20:23] | KjetilK: | Aug 1 00:00:01 tigger /USR/SBIN/CRON[15296]: (root) CMD ([ -x /etc/init.d/mythtv-status ] && /etc/init.d/mythtv-status reload > /dev/null) |
| [22:20:41] | KjetilK: | perhaps that reload did something nasty? |
| [22:21:18] | stuarta: | well that's certainly non standard |
| [22:21:33] | KjetilK: | ubuntu stuff, probably |
| [22:21:45] | KjetilK: | but it does that every 10 minutes, it seems, so probably not |
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| [22:21:45] | stuarta: | but that only runs the reload if the status fails |
| [22:21:59] | stuarta: | ie. the backend has crapped out |
| [22:22:00] | Nido: | I run ubuntu and I don't get that script |
| [22:22:05] | KjetilK: | ah |
| [22:22:17] | Nido: | (then again; I run straight ubuntu, not mythbuntu) |
| [22:22:34] | KjetilK: | this is from syslog |
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| [22:24:14] | KjetilK: | anyway, I need to sleep |
| [22:24:27] | KjetilK: | sorry for throwing it out without actually being willing to dig... |
| [22:24:38] | KjetilK: | I hope nobody else will loose sleep over it :-) |
| [22:27:35] | clever: | the -x test is that it has +x set on it |
| [22:27:49] | clever: | so it wont acualy check the status, just reload it every 10mins |
| [22:27:58] | clever: | but the reload function itself may check stuff |
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| [22:52:38] | gbee: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7535064.stm |
| [22:52:56] | gbee: | my day doesn't seem so bad after reading that ;) |
| [22:53:56] | SHADOW__X: | :D |
| [22:54:05] | iamlindoro: | fuck that, *this* is a bad day |
| [22:54:05] | iamlindoro: | http://edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2008/07/31/6317416.html |
| [22:54:47] | gbee: | "He slipped on his way to the toilet and became impaled through his groin." |
| [22:54:51] | gbee: | I dunno :p |
| [22:55:35] | iamlindoro: | "He calmly walked up to the front (of the bus) with (the victim's) head in his hand and the knife and then dropped the head in front of us," |
| [22:56:00] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
| [22:56:49] | gbee: | and I thought Canada was such a nice, quiet country |
| [22:56:54] | SHADOW__X: | dont know |
| [22:57:03] | iamlindoro: | Note I haven't seen Greyfoxx in here today |
| [22:57:05] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [22:57:16] | SHADOW__X: | lol |
| [22:57:31] | SHADOW__X: | !seen GreyFoxx |
| [22:57:31] | MythLogBot: | GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 2 hours 50 minutes 28 seconds |
| [22:58:17] | gbee: | working on MythTV has driven a few people mad ... |
| [22:58:22] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
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| [23:08:50] | gbee: | commit 18000 ... do I get a prize? |
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| [23:09:09] | kormoc: | gbee, you get to make the next 18000 commits! |
| [23:09:26] | gbee: | .. crap .. |
| [23:10:22] | black_Nightmare_: | just thought I'll ask in case someone had any suggestions to add ... get a motherboard with hdmi and hope that the tv and mythtv box would talk together or just stick to component-out and figure out about keeping seperate controls for both sides? |
| [23:12:10] | iamlindoro: | Well, given HDMI will not control your television in any way in linux, it's sort of moot to hope for it |
| [23:12:12] | gbee: | HDMI works just fine, but generally HDMI on PCs doesn't include the HDMI control stuff just picture + sound |
| [23:12:40] | kormoc: | and if your tv overscans the hdmi, you're sol |
| [23:12:46] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm good pointers |
| [23:12:47] | black_Nightmare_: | thanks a lot |
| [23:13:22] | gbee: | if your TV overscans HDMI then you need to return the TV as not fit for purpose |
| [23:13:42] | kormoc: | I got my tv used, so no returns :/ |
| [23:13:43] | black_Nightmare_: | heh gbee I have to agree |
| [23:13:50] | black_Nightmare_: | anyway brb to eat...then maybe some more talk when I'm back :p |
| [23:15:11] | gbee: | crap, again, looks like I need to shuffle up a ladder at the weekend to fix the guttering, there is a waterfall in front of the window |
| [23:15:33] | SHADOW__X: | i am sure it looks purdy :D |
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| [23:16:58] | gbee: | btw iamlindoro I like the end of that article – "or even trauma counselling, if necessary." |
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| [23:17:31] | scrutr: | hi, live tive is not working |
| [23:17:47] | scrutr: | when i select it, the screen blinks, the the menu just says there |
| [23:17:48] | gbee: | because people who see someone stabbed and decapitated in front of them generally aren't traumatised ... |
| [23:17:59] | scrutr: | what could be the problem? |
| [23:18:15] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I think this one time it's appropriate to... blame Canada! |
| [23:19:44] | iamlindoro: | scrutr: Tools for diagnosing that based on information given are a crystal ball, bones of my ancestors, and the bowel movement of a chinese emperor |
| [23:20:02] | iamlindoro: | Which is to say, backend logs are much more enlightening that flickering screens :) |
| [23:20:05] | iamlindoro: | er than |
| [23:20:21] | scrutr: | im a noob though, where is the backend log? |
| [23:20:48] | iamlindoro: | depends on the distribution, it's commonly in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [23:20:54] | gbee: | hey, at least passengers aren't likely to try and sue the bus company as they might in the US – "You put a knife wielding madman on the coach, I deserve a million dollars in compensation!" |
| [23:21:39] | iamlindoro: | gbee: A crispy dollar bill says someone sues Greyhound |
| [23:21:55] | AndyCap: | call Glen Lerner, the Heavy Hitter! |
| [23:22:06] | iamlindoro: | (Which, given the current exchange rate is... carry the one.... a millionth of a pound) |
| [23:22:31] | gbee: | iamlindoro: you're depressing me, I was actually thinking of emigrating there :) |
| [23:23:14] | iamlindoro: | gbee: If it helps, there's a fair chance we'll turn things around come November or so |
| [23:23:41] | gbee: | :) |
| [23:23:55] | AndyCap: | http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/gems/ethic . . . ersCover.JPG |
| [23:24:08] | scrutr: | is it okay to paste here? |
| [23:24:16] | AndyCap: | wasn't glen lerner though. |
| [23:24:28] | gbee: | http://pastebin.ca |
| [23:25:09] | scrutr: | this is an extract of the log: http://pastebin.com/m717d0e58 |
| [23:25:21] | scrutr: | if you want to see the whole thing....ill paste that |
| [23:25:42] | iamlindoro: | scrutr: Well, not defining capture cards would be a great reson you're not able to watch Tv with your capture cads :) |
| [23:26:02] | iamlindoro: | and not having defined capture cards is generall a great indication of not having followed or read the documentation |
| [23:26:10] | scrutr: | i dont understand how to do it |
| [23:26:16] | iamlindoro: | er reason, cards, generally |
| [23:26:18] | gbee: | scrutr: run mythtv-setup then go through each stage 1–6 |
| [23:26:30] | scrutr: | i did run the setup |
| [23:26:34] | SHADOW__X: | scrutr: are you running ubuntu |
| [23:26:40] | scrutr: | yeh |
| [23:26:48] | ** SHADOW__X is going to stop using it ** | |
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| [23:27:11] | iamlindoro: | Well not understanding it doesn't make it any more likely to work when you don't do it :) |
| [23:27:34] | iamlindoro: | Follow the Ubuntu documentation, they use pictures and everything |
| [23:27:37] | SHADOW__X: | but iamlindoro i thought if i thought really really hard it would just work |
| [23:27:40] | directhex: | insightful gbee is insightful |
| [23:27:50] | SHADOW__X: | are the books popup? |
| [23:27:57] | iamlindoro: | redundant directhex is redundant ;) |
| [23:28:48] | iamlindoro: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Guts . . . thTV%20Setup |
| [23:28:51] | iamlindoro: | Wheeee, pitchers! |
| [23:29:02] | directhex: | what do i want to back up if i'm doing a clean format of my desktop? |
| [23:29:11] | scrutr: | im running hardy |
| [23:29:19] | iamlindoro: | Doesn't matter |
| [23:29:21] | iamlindoro: | same |
| [23:29:23] | scrutr: | k |
| [23:29:27] | scrutr: | thanks |
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| [23:30:21] | iamlindoro: | The alternate install method is to clap really hard and say "I believe in Capture Cards." |
| [23:30:42] | iamlindoro: | But the Original method works better |
| [23:32:48] | iamlindoro: | directhex: http://www.agdinteractive.com |
| [23:33:02] | scrutr: | i think i installed the wrong package before ;( |
| [23:33:22] | iamlindoro: | Probably not, you are encouraged to install mythbuntu, but you can use the mythtv package just fine |
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| [23:33:49] | iamlindoro: | The setup is more or less teh same, mythbuntu just does some extra fanciness on top of it |
| [23:34:11] | iamlindoro: | If you really want a dedicated myth box, though, it would be MUCH better to download the mythbuntu ISO and install anew |
| [23:34:52] | iamlindoro: | and either way, #ubuntu-mythtv may be helpful to you, where they outlaw sarcasm, and therefore crush the spirits of gentle souls like me, Dagmar, and justinh. |
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| [23:36:09] | black_Nightmare_: | back |
| [23:39:54] | black_Nightmare_: | curious question – any of you think displayport would get a good share of the market or they'll likely just be a niche thing while hdmi goes onward? |
| [23:40:17] | kormoc: | Display port? |
| [23:40:38] | directhex: | kormoc, like dvi, only not |
| [23:40:50] | directhex: | or hdmi without the audio |
| [23:41:16] | black_Nightmare_: | well you have to admit that displayport is leaned toward pcs directhex (hence the lack of audio pins) |
| [23:42:03] | directhex: | handy |
| [23:42:15] | directhex: | good thing the market is full of cheap displayport KVMs and so on |
| [23:43:00] | kormoc: | Hrm |
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| [23:43:14] | black_Nightmare_: | still I guess one thing for it is that its a free-licensed connector .. neverminding that its got compactibility built into it (even to point that a displayport video card could still be connected to a vga monitor with a simple adapter cord) |
| [23:43:23] | kormoc: | I'd venture to guess that hdmi would keep market share, cause everyone knows bout it right now |
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| [23:46:06] | black_Nightmare_: | kormoc well I guess the question is..how much does hdmi really cost at the end? |
| [23:46:14] | black_Nightmare_: | but then again to our own ideas I guess |
| [23:48:44] | black_Nightmare_: | personally I'm not having much interest right now for the moment (especially when my two computers clearly have seperate ports for sound&video yet) |
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| [23:49:52] | black_Nightmare_: | meh |
| [23:52:48] | iamlindoro: | You'd better believe you won't save a red cent by going with displayport over HDMI |
| [23:54:05] | black_Nightmare_: | and where's the analog support of hdmi without converters? thats kinda the question there |
| [23:55:08] | xand: | hdmi doesn' do analog |
| [23:55:23] | xand: | analog video is dead :P |
| [23:55:31] | black_Nightmare_: | xand..not quite |
| [23:55:46] | xand: | vga... old |
| [23:56:04] | black_Nightmare_: | xand...and what about component? or even any of the previous consoles? ;) |
| [23:56:21] | xand: | what about them? |
| [23:56:34] | black_Nightmare_: | thats why I'm particular to displayport as it can natively adapt these in |
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| [23:57:29] | iamlindoro: | Bullshit, you can adapt your Displayport *output* to one of the old formats... good luck getting DP to take component or any other analog IN |
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| [23:57:55] | xand: | black_Nightmare_: they can all... die |
| [23:58:08] | iamlindoro: | or in finding displayport hardware whatsoever, for that matter... there's exactly one Motherboard with displayport that I've seen. |
| [23:58:33] | black_Nightmare_: | xand..so you saying ps2, many dvd players, etc should be stone dead? |
| [23:58:39] | xand: | yep. |
| [23:58:47] | black_Nightmare_: | xand makes zero sense |
| [23:59:02] | xand: | oh no, let's keep old hardware around forever |
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| [23:59:18] | iamlindoro: | xand: oh, he does |
| [23:59:37] | iamlindoro: | If you take a poll of the losing side of every format war, then you get all of his hardware |
| [23:59:42] | xand: | black_Nightmare_: why should new hardware have to support obsolete stuff? should it be steam powered too? :P |
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