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| [00:02:03] | cesman: | "TERA" |
| [00:02:07] | cesman: | "ERA" |
| [00:02:07] | wagnerrp: | what is driving hard drive expansion? |
| [00:02:56] | wagnerrp: | i mean the average user wouldnt know what to do with a terabyte drive |
| [00:03:53] | cesman: | "TERA" |
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| [00:04:13] | cesman: | "ERA" |
| [00:04:16] | jantman: | anyone in here have any experience with lirc on opensuse 11? |
| [00:04:37] | cesman: | not I |
| [00:04:48] | wagnerrp: | on the cluster at work, i can fill a few TB in a day, at home i could spend several months recording TV or ripping DVDs to reach that usage |
| [00:06:29] | wagnerrp: | video and raw image editing can take large amounts of space |
| [00:06:40] | wagnerrp: | but none of these things are anything like average |
| [00:08:03] | cesman: | "TERA" |
| [00:08:03] | wagnerrp: | although i suppose the more important question is: 'why does the hitachi hard drive video include "henderson castration tools" and "penis drawings" in its related videos list?' |
| [00:08:24] | cesman: | "ERA" |
| [00:08:42] | cesman: | I think that is what Dagmar was stating... |
| [00:08:46] | cesman: | "TERA" |
| [00:08:52] | wagnerrp: | ah, yes |
| [00:09:25] | wagnerrp: | also, why does a video on castration tools have 100k views? |
| [00:09:27] | cesman: | "ERA" |
| [00:09:31] | wagnerrp: | morbid curiosity? |
| [00:11:41] | cesman: | "TERA" |
| [00:11:49] | cesman: | "ERA" |
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| [00:19:01] | cesman: | "TERA" |
| [00:25:43] | iamlindoro: | cesman: Is there something I'm not getting about the "TERA" "ERA" thing? |
| [00:25:56] | wagnerrp: | check Dagmar's link |
| [00:26:09] | cesman: | iamlindoro: it is in my head... |
| [00:26:11] | wagnerrp: | according to hitachi, its the 'tera era' |
| [00:26:13] | cesman: | cannot get it out |
| [00:26:23] | cesman: | "TERA" |
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| [00:26:30] | cesman: | "ERA" |
| [00:26:34] | wagnerrp: | banana phone! |
| [00:27:06] | iamlindoro: | I don't think I wanna know about this |
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| [00:27:37] | wagnerrp: | its the continuation of the perpendicular bit saga |
| [00:27:55] | wagnerrp: | i laughed, i cried, good times were had |
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| [00:36:46] | dmz: | quick question, i seem to remember a page on the frontend setup that sets what driver is used for mpeg output, anyone know what i'm thinking about? |
| [00:37:13] | dmz: | i've just setup a new frontend & it plays mplayer/video & music fine, but whenever it tries to use "internal" player it dies, kills X & restarts itself (restarts X) |
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| [00:42:35] | Nostahl: | hi guys |
| [00:42:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | dmz: Do you perhaps have the xvmc deinterlacer selected, and your card doesn't support it, or isn't setup properly? |
| [00:43:05] | Nostahl: | any of you guys running mini itx myth boxes? |
| [00:43:05] | dmz: | where is that settings so i can confirm |
| [00:43:15] | SHADOW__X1: | hey clever if i do the backup and all that when i redo everything and put the backup back in mythweb will have all the recorded shows aslong as the recordings are there right |
| [00:43:16] | dmz: | Nostahl, that's what i'm working w/right now :) |
| [00:43:26] | Nostahl: | dmz link to your board? |
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| [00:43:43] | dmz: | http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ . . . rboard_id=81 (lots of them on ebay:) |
| [00:44:23] | wagnerrp: | mmmm, via |
| [00:45:17] | dmz: | i had 2 of my 3 start acting wierd |
| [00:45:46] | Nostahl: | how much dmz |
| [00:45:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | dmz: Well, you want it set to Via XvMC then... Assuming you're driver is setup for XvMC. |
| [00:45:52] | dmz: | using minimyth with all 3, 1 of them "just reboots" constently (was working for > 1 year) the other "locks" up so i'm installing a disk & mythbuntu but for some reason it won't play video right |
| [00:46:04] | dmz: | it looks like the driver (X) is set for XvMC |
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| [00:46:20] | dmz: | i just don't recall which setup screen to go into in frontend seutp to make sure it's XvMC |
| [00:46:22] | dmz: | :) |
| [00:46:40] | Nostahl: | dmz how much was your board |
| [00:46:55] | dmz: | 150 or so i think , been > 1 year since i got 3 of them |
| [00:46:59] | dmz: | search ebay |
| [00:47:01] | my2keh: | I'm guessing an error like this is not MythTV related, even though I was compiling myth? http://www.pastebin.ca/1081348 |
| [00:47:02] | Nostahl: | ah |
| [00:47:36] | Nostahl: | 600mhz fast enough for video and all the fun stuff? |
| [00:47:39] | dmz: | J-e-f-f-A, which setup screen can i confirm XvMC? i remember seeing it before but can't seem to find it in there anymore |
| [00:47:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | dmz: settings / TV Settings/ Playback |
| [00:47:49] | dmz: | Nostahl, it's got an Mpeg decoder card |
| [00:48:00] | dmz: | and it's worked great for everything so far |
| [00:48:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | dmz: Playgack profiles on page 3... |
| [00:48:43] | SHADOW__X1: | hey clever you there |
| [00:49:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | dmz: Check each profile, and if it's set to "Standard XvMC", change it to "VIA XvMC" |
| [00:51:02] | dmz: | it's set to VIA XvMC |
| [00:51:03] | dmz: | bugger |
| [00:51:23] | dmz: | can i put mythfrontend into a debug mode to see why it dies? |
| [00:52:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | dmz: Start it from a shell with mythfrontend -v most |
| [00:53:02] | dmz: | thanks, brb |
| [00:57:46] | Nostahl: | i gotta find a little mini itx board with pci express slot |
| [00:57:56] | Nostahl: | so i can get an express slot to express card adapter card |
| [00:58:05] | Nostahl: | so i can use my tunner heh |
| [00:58:48] | wagnerrp: | you have to buy a new motherboard and a new adapter, so you can use your tuner? |
| [00:58:56] | Nostahl: | heh |
| [00:59:00] | wagnerrp: | seems cheaper to just buy a new tuner |
| [00:59:05] | Nostahl: | possibly |
| [00:59:14] | Nostahl: | i have two identicle express card tunners with remotes |
| [00:59:21] | Nostahl: | got em free |
| [00:59:34] | Nostahl: | i wish there was usb to express adapters |
| [00:59:38] | Nostahl: | like usb to pcmcia |
| [01:02:01] | wagnerrp: | oh, but there are |
| [01:02:30] | Nostahl: | i cant find ANY |
| [01:02:33] | Nostahl: | linkage!!! |
| [01:02:33] | Nostahl: | heh |
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| [01:03:20] | wagnerrp: | no can do, im on VNC and cant copy and paste |
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| [01:03:36] | Nostahl: | where did you find usb to express card adapters |
| [01:03:49] | wagnerrp: | but searching google for 'usb express card' returned several options |
| [01:04:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: you should try NX instead... ;-) Copy & Paste works... ;-) |
| [01:04:14] | Nostahl: | are you sure its not just usb expansion cards? :P |
| [01:04:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: And it's tons faster! |
| [01:04:46] | wagnerrp: | the first result was a usb device that provided an express card slot |
| [01:05:10] | Nostahl: | ohh nice |
| [01:05:16] | Nostahl: | ty wagnerrp |
| [01:05:24] | Nostahl: | 30 bucks and i can use my tunner card! |
| [01:05:31] | Nostahl: | 60 bucks and i can record dual channels at once heh |
| [01:05:33] | wagnerrp: | for telling you to go google something? |
| [01:05:33] | Nostahl: | muahaha |
| [01:05:53] | Nostahl: | i checked all over newegg and figured they dont exist heh |
| [01:05:58] | my2keh: | anyone get this error when compiling myth? |
| [01:05:58] | my2keh: | make[2]: *** [ratecontrol.o] Error 1 |
| [01:05:58] | my2keh: | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/release-0-21-fixes/mythtv/libs/libavcodec' |
| [01:06:24] | wagnerrp: | somewhat hard to tell, because you have no actually posted the error |
| [01:06:33] | wagnerrp: | you just told us in what file the error is |
| [01:07:18] | my2keh: | can I post a link to a pastebin? |
| [01:07:31] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why you wouldnt be able to |
| [01:07:33] | my2keh: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1081362 |
| [01:08:38] | wagnerrp: | internal compiler errors typically have nothing to do with the code youre trying to compile |
| [01:09:01] | wagnerrp: | its usually indicative of faulty hardware |
| [01:09:15] | my2keh: | hmmm I thought so, I changed out my HDD, RAM and PSU |
| [01:09:24] | my2keh: | upgraded gcc to 4.3.1 |
| [01:09:39] | my2keh: | switched from IDE to SATA |
| [01:10:13] | my2keh: | i read it's usually a RAM problem, but i went and bought a new stick tonight |
| [01:10:13] | wagnerrp: | i had a friend who struggled for days on a CE assignment trying to figure out such an error, only to find his motherboard was going bad |
| [01:10:22] | my2keh: | MOTHERBOARD |
| [01:10:25] | my2keh: | dangggg it |
| [01:10:52] | wagnerrp: | it would be anything that would lead to memory being corrupted |
| [01:11:13] | wagnerrp: | that means CPU, RAM, or motherboard |
| [01:11:19] | my2keh: | i'm guessing reseting my CPU wouldn't help |
| [01:11:26] | my2keh: | or maybe it would heh |
| [01:11:28] | wagnerrp: | power supply might cause it if you have dirty power |
| [01:11:41] | dmz: | hmmm dec(xvmc-vld) rend(xvmc-blit), VideoOutputXv: XvMC version: 1.1 then it just resets X |
| [01:11:49] | wagnerrp: | hard drive would typically have no effect, unless youre going into swap space |
| [01:11:58] | my2keh: | and I guess the only way to find out if it's the mobo is to buy a new one? |
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| [01:20:30] | my2keh: | not so much |
| [01:29:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | dmz: Try changing the xvmc blit mode (I think it's for the osd...) in the deinterlacer profile... |
| [01:31:07] | ** J-e-f-f-A should probably shut down his 'puter... nasty thunderstorm moving through... ** | |
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| [01:34:38] | dmz: | no luck |
| [01:34:39] | dmz: | :( |
| [01:35:18] | dmz: | i tried both Via-XvMC & standard XvMC using the XvMC api 1.0, both the same...ok i'm going to try xv :) |
| [01:35:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | dmz: That will probably work, just use more cpu. (if the Via is enough! – probably will be for SD...) |
| [01:36:22] | ** J-e-f-f-A is hearing/seeing lightning strikes all over his neighborhood... not good... ** | |
| [01:36:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | jeeze... I think that one was in my back yard... |
| [01:37:14] | dmz: | i think it's a distro problem |
| [01:37:16] | ** J-e-f-f-A investigates... ** | |
| [01:37:35] | dmz: | it worked fine with minimyth (except latest version would randomly lockup) :( |
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| [01:41:24] | PatrickDK: | yep, J-e-f-f-A's problem is a distro issue |
| [01:44:24] | dmz: | ditto here, it's doing the same thing with xv / ffmpeg & xvideo output, all kill mythfrontend |
| [01:44:44] | dmz: | ok what frontend distro would anyone recommend (other than minimyth & mythbuntu) :) |
| [01:44:46] | my2keh: | and my problem is a hardware issue! ack! |
| [01:45:10] | dmz: | not a good day for anyone here |
| [01:45:24] | cesman: | dmz: KnoppMyth |
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| [01:45:33] | my2keh: | I use knoppmyth! It rocks! |
| [01:45:36] | irc: | Hi there |
| [01:45:38] | cesman: | via hardware works fine as I've tested it... |
| [01:45:40] | my2keh: | well it used to |
| [01:45:41] | ** dmz goes to download knoppmyth ** | |
| [01:45:44] | my2keh: | well it still does |
| [01:45:45] | cesman: | my2keh: there you are... |
| [01:45:58] | my2keh: | but I think my problem isn't knoppmyth |
| [01:45:59] | irc: | Hey guys, can someone help me out with mythweb setup? |
| [01:46:01] | cesman: | you disappear before I can answer your questions :) |
| [01:46:03] | irc is now known as Guest26491 | |
| [01:46:03] | my2keh: | hey cesman |
| [01:46:03] | dmz: | cesman i have several via boards, they all work "ok" just trying to get it to be more stable (minimyth latest isn't very stable) |
| [01:46:23] | xris: | Guest26491: what's the trouble? |
| [01:46:27] | my2keh: | cesman>> time is a scarce resource around here |
| [01:46:29] | cesman: | I'd like to think KnoppMyth is stable ;) |
| [01:46:34] | my2keh: | LOL |
| [01:46:39] | my2keh: | your opnion is slanted :P |
| [01:46:42] | Guest26491: | I'm trying to install mythweb in my home directory on the server |
| [01:46:51] | Guest26491: | under /home/mythtv/public_html |
| [01:47:12] | Guest26491: | actually under /home/mythtv/public_html/mythweb |
| [01:47:27] | Guest26491: | I think I'm missing something with mod_rewrite |
| [01:47:29] | xris: | you follow the INSTALL file? |
| [01:47:34] | dmz: | cesman you using knoppmyth w/via board? |
| [01:47:52] | cesman: | I test with it |
| [01:48:05] | my2keh: | this replacing hardware thing is getting expensive. RAM, PSU what's next! heh |
| [01:48:07] | Guest26491: | I did, but it doesn't quite work with putting stuff in publc_html |
| [01:48:30] | cesman: | dmz: I, along with other contributers and tester put out KnoppMyth |
| [01:48:57] | Guest26491: | The requested URL /home/mythtv/public_html/mythweb/mythweb.php/music was not found on this server. |
| [01:49:03] | Guest26491: | that's the error I'm getting |
| [01:49:40] | dmz: | cesman, excellent. then i'm optimistic :) mythbuntu doesn't work with via, in fact there are lots of posts w/it not working, one more knoppmyth convert if it works :) |
| [01:49:46] | xris: | Guest26491: shouldn't matter.. as long as you set the proper directories/overrides in the .conf file it should all work |
| [01:50:43] | cesman: | :) |
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| [01:51:07] | xris: | and judging from the error message, it's not set up properly |
| [01:51:34] | Guest26491: | It says <Directory "/home/mythtv/public_html/mythweb" > |
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| [01:52:14] | Guest26491: | I can't figure out what RewriteBase means. I have that commented out |
| [01:53:24] | xris: | probably not a good idea to comment out something in there that you don't understand. |
| [01:53:28] | xris: | that one in particular. |
| [01:53:48] | ** xris wishes he had just a teency bit larger budget for redoing his floors. ** | |
| [01:54:18] | Guest26491: | Well, it was commented out already in the default mythweb.conf |
| [01:54:29] | my2keh: | +xris>> what are you redoing them with? |
| [01:54:31] | xris: | then it should be fine |
| [01:55:15] | xris: | my2keh: that's where the "bigger budget" would change things. :) probably vertical strip bamboo. my employee discount at ifloor.com just doesn't quite cut it when I'm also trying to redo my roof and kitchen. |
| [01:55:39] | my2keh: | I just redid my roof (myself) |
| [01:55:44] | xris: | Guest26491: no errors in your apache logs, etc? Do you know if the conf file is even getting loaded? |
| [01:55:55] | my2keh: | and my wife wants some brazillian hardwood, so I know what you mean |
| [01:56:01] | my2keh: | you gonna put bamboo in the kitchen? |
| [01:56:04] | xris: | my2keh: yeah, that's my plan. I only need to tack up another layer of composite, so it should be easy. |
| [01:56:15] | xris: | yeah, probably in the whole house. |
| [01:56:27] | my2keh: | i'm nervous about hardware in the kitchen |
| [01:56:30] | Guest26491: | xris: it is getting loaded because when I change it, I can see different things happening |
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| [01:57:01] | xris: | feel free to pm me if you start shopping (if you like ifloor).. I can ask the salesperson to give a better price for a friend. :) |
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| [01:57:45] | my2keh: | ssshh don't tell my wife! |
| [01:57:46] | my2keh: | haha |
| [01:58:02] | xris: | Guest26491: might be related to a missing some module somewhere.. but that makes little sense if you're not getting errors |
| [01:58:24] | my2keh: | this isn't myth related issue, right? http://www.pastebin.ca/1081362 |
| [01:59:08] | xris: | Guest26491: however, I will point out that most of the httpd.conf file supplied by your distro includes setting up stuff inside of /var/www (or /data/www or whatever, depending on your distro), and *not* in your homedir, so you might want to poke through that file and see what you're missing. Either that, or just install it in the normal www directory. |
| [01:59:47] | xris: | my2keh: flooring adds up. my sister just spent like $6k on 500sf of flooring (with install). NICE NICE walnut stuff, though |
| [02:00:15] | my2keh: | yeah I know. I can hack the install myself, that's the easy part |
| [02:03:46] | Guest26491: | xris: Thanks a lot, I think I will put it in the global directory after all |
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| [02:04:00] | Guest26491: | Just wanted to make my life a little bit easier by not doing so |
| [02:04:16] | Guest26491: | tinkering is easier (don't have sudo, etc.) |
| [02:05:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yikes... here's what the weather looks like in my area.... I live about where the "S" is in Sudbury... http://www.weather.com/weather/map/01752?from=36hour_map |
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| [02:05:59] | my2keh: | woah, I live where the U is in Sudbury |
| [02:06:06] | SHADOW__X1: | 160 gigs through samba and onto a usb hd this will be fun |
| [02:06:08] | xris: | Guest26491: you could just chown the mythweb install to yourself in the global directory |
| [02:06:10] | my2keh: | but in Sudbury, ON, Canada heh |
| [02:06:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | my2keh: hehe.. ;-) |
| [02:06:53] | Guest26491: | true that |
| [02:06:57] | Guest26491: | thanks, xris |
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| [02:07:23] | xris: | np. good luck. |
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| [02:15:13] | SHADOW__X1: | how do i figure out why my transcodes create an exit code 255 |
| [02:15:31] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X1: run one from the command line |
| [02:15:44] | iamlindoro: | and you'll see-- you may also have some useful output already in the backend log |
| [02:16:21] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm alright how d o i run it from command line |
| [02:16:42] | fryfrog: | kslater: sure, be happy to |
| [02:16:44] | iamlindoro: | depends on what kind of transcode you're trying to do |
| [02:16:57] | iamlindoro: | it *does* have a --help ya know |
| [02:16:59] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtranscode |
| [02:17:09] | SHADOW__X1: | mpeg2 to mpeg4 and thanks |
| [02:17:31] | xris: | SHADOW__X1: nuvexport |
| [02:20:27] | SHADOW__X1: | eh maybe this low power cpu wasnt a good choice might of been better to burn up 20 watts more and get a c2d |
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| [02:24:04] | xris: | c2d runs really low when it's not crunching |
| [02:24:40] | SHADOW__X1: | yeah i know |
| [02:24:59] | SHADOW__X1: | i just was thinking all out crazy green when i built this and sacrificed processing |
| [02:25:07] | SHADOW__X1: | i have a amd x2 b3 2400 |
| [02:25:11] | SHADOW__X1: | 45 watt tdp |
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| [02:29:30] | xris: | ah. I just can't do the amd thing |
| [02:31:00] | my2keh: | AMD isn't bad! |
| [02:33:40] | my2keh: | Has anyone had this type of error before when compiling myth? http://www.pastebin.ca/1081362 |
| [02:33:52] | my2keh: | my configure line looks like this: ./configure --enable-dvb --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-xvmc-pro --enable-proc-opt --prefix=/usr --enable-xvmc-opengl |
| [02:34:36] | SHADOW__X1: | my2keh: do you have my processor? |
| [02:34:39] | SHADOW__X1: | its pretty slow |
| [02:34:57] | my2keh: | i don't think I do heh |
| [02:35:09] | SHADOW__X1: | its not the best dual core |
| [02:35:41] | SHADOW__X1: | is there a speed test that i can do to show you |
| [02:36:01] | my2keh: | I updated the pastebin with some more context http://www.pastebin.ca/1081431 |
| [02:36:02] | jroysdon: | It's so cool being able to watch my mythtv shows while I'm traveling and staying in a hotel. |
| [02:36:21] | ** jroysdon hugs his mythbox – via an ssh tunnel ** | |
| [02:36:38] | SHADOW__X1: | ah nice but how do you get it to play smoothly |
| [02:37:25] | jroysdon: | divx, 128kbs video (lowest), 32kbs audio (lowest) http, and watching with xine (which buffers it) |
| [02:38:02] | SHADOW__X1: | ah |
| [02:38:02] | jroysdon: | It didn't use to work and would get choppy after 30 seconds, but Comcast upgraded my upload speed again (free, same cost as the base package I've always paid for) |
| [02:38:04] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [02:38:16] | SHADOW__X1: | whats your upload |
| [02:38:17] | jroysdon: | but I'm watching motorcycle racing and it is fine |
| [02:38:22] | jroysdon: | I think I've got 384k now |
| [02:38:47] | SHADOW__X1: | and iamlindoro i fixed transcode for some reason mythbuntu is setup to use rtjpeg isntead of mpeg4 |
| [02:38:50] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [02:40:21] | SHADOW__X1: | do you have it automatically trancode to divx? |
| [02:40:25] | SHADOW__X1: | or how do you do that |
| [02:40:40] | jroysdon: | mythweb/mythstreamtv |
| [02:40:49] | iamlindoro: | You need to use a user job to auto transcode |
| [02:40:58] | iamlindoro: | using ffmpeg, mencoder, nuvexport, whatever |
| [02:41:05] | SHADOW__X1: | oh ok |
| [02:41:14] | iamlindoro: | to one of those formats, that is |
| [02:41:30] | jroysdon: | I just check the show I want to watch and pick the options (the ones I told you) and then it streams via vlc |
| [02:41:42] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm i might do mythstreamtv |
| [02:43:02] | my2keh: | Anyone wanna ship me their mobo/CPU so I can test with it? heh |
| [02:43:29] | jroysdon: | even with zine doubling the image size, it's not too bad (youtube-ish) – which is not bad for watching motocycle racing |
| [02:43:51] | SHADOW__X1: | right |
| [02:44:06] | jroysdon: | sure, gimme your address and I'll send it COD |
| [02:44:24] | my2keh: | SCORE! |
| [02:45:37] | my2keh: | i'll take 2 |
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| [02:47:43] | iamlindoro: | Guess someone is missing the point of "COD" |
| [02:47:43] | jroysdon: | mobo is made of wood, and cpu are beads... here is a photo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus |
| [02:47:52] | SHADOW__X1: | when was the last time mythstreamtv was updated jroysdon |
| [02:48:14] | jroysdon: | dunno, I'm running an older version of everything still with MythDora 4 |
| [02:48:31] | jroysdon: | mythtv-0.20.1–161.fc6 |
| [02:48:39] | SHADOW__X1: | oh ok |
| [02:48:40] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
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| [02:48:51] | jroysdon: | mythstreamtv-1.3–8 |
| [02:49:03] | my2keh: | I'll jus tlet my wife pay the COD |
| [02:49:05] | my2keh: | :P |
| [02:49:10] | jroysdon: | heh |
| [02:49:13] | SHADOW__X1: | where did you find that |
| [02:49:23] | jroysdon: | MythDora? The website ;-p |
| [02:49:27] | jroysdon: | (google) |
| [02:49:30] | clever: | my2keh: be carefull to prepay your wife:P |
| [02:49:34] | SHADOW__X1: | no mythstream |
| [02:49:57] | jroysdon: | MythDora DVD (it's a pre-packaged Fedora + MythTV distro) |
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| [02:50:21] | jroysdon: | RPM says: http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/ |
| [02:50:29] | SHADOW__X1: | ah ok |
| [02:51:27] | dmz: | cesman question about knoppmyth, when i choose to setup as frontend, will it autodetech HD & install on there and configure or ? |
| [02:51:34] | iamlindoro: | xris: I have something new for you to try w/ broken firewire recordings. Be warned, requires Wine. But, it's GPL so maybe it would be possible to steal some tricks. This works perfectly for me and finally overcomes my audio sync issues with my previous approach. |
| [02:51:41] | iamlindoro: | let me know if you want me to send the info your way |
| [02:52:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | dmz: I believe it prompts you wether you want to install on the HD or run as a live CD. |
| [02:52:50] | my2keh: | lol |
| [02:52:51] | cesman: | dmz: please come into #knoppmyth |
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| [02:55:57] | my2keh: | I guess this is bad: Message from syslogd@mythtv at Wed Jul 23 22:55:26 2008 ... |
| [02:55:57] | my2keh: | mythtv kernel: 00000000 c1f7c220 c1f81420 c1f97b40 c1f81260 c1f81840 000001aa 00000082 |
| [02:58:56] | clever: | sounds like a peice of a kernel oops |
| [02:59:28] | SHADOW__X1: | is transcode smp enabled |
| [02:59:43] | my2keh: | kernel opps heh |
| [03:00:19] | clever: | my2keh: its basicaly a null reference in kernel space |
| [03:00:24] | clever: | the entire thread explodes |
| [03:00:37] | clever: | and leaves tons of crap laying arround which could cause the system to crash later |
| [03:00:40] | my2keh: | as a result from a hardware failing i guess |
| [03:00:47] | clever: | or a driver bug |
| [03:01:15] | clever: | my lirc driver causes an oops every time i laod it |
| [03:01:20] | my2keh: | probably not, system has been stable for over a year |
| [03:01:22] | SHADOW__X1: | nvm i found that |
| [03:01:24] | my2keh: | and not updated either |
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| [03:06:33] | joez212: | hello |
| [03:06:40] | joez212: | how can i force a passwd change even if i want to set the same password as the login id? |
| [03:07:17] | wagnerrp: | like... username and password are the same? |
| [03:07:44] | joez212: | i want them to be |
| [03:07:49] | joez212: | right now they are different |
| [03:07:54] | wagnerrp: | rather secure |
| [03:08:29] | joez212: | i have a closed firewall so its not an issue |
| [03:08:32] | joez212: | is it possible? |
| [03:09:06] | wagnerrp: | 'passwd' wont let you do it? |
| [03:09:08] | ** iamlindoro wonders what this has to do with myth but expects he'll be told "well I'm *on* my myth box." ** | |
| [03:09:21] | joez212: | wagnerrp, correct |
| [03:09:25] | joez212: | iamlindoro, correct |
| [03:09:37] | iamlindoro: | well that is a retarded excuse, go to #$YOURDISTRO |
| [03:09:49] | joez212: | fedora |
| [03:09:56] | iamlindoro: | then go to #fedora |
| [03:10:00] | iamlindoro: | and ask there |
| [03:10:00] | wagnerrp: | so then hash the name, and add it to /etc/passwd manually |
| [03:10:15] | wagnerrp: | /etc/shadow, rather |
| [03:10:42] | joez212: | wagnerrp, how exactly? |
| [03:12:02] | wagnerrp: | well the simple way is to just make a new username, make a password for that user, and then copy over the hash to the original user |
| [03:12:11] | xris: | iamlindoro: I have windows inside of vmware on my mac, so I could just do that, too |
| [03:13:04] | iamlindoro: | xris: ok, lemme /msg you my approach, have tested on ten or so recordings... so far perfect audio sync, perfect cuts even on my most broken channels |
| [03:14:01] | joez212: | they told me to use the gui! |
| [03:14:02] | joez212: | it worked |
| [03:14:06] | joez212: | well i got warned |
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| [03:33:01] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: are you talking about that .mkv fix? |
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| [03:34:18] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: no |
| [03:34:25] | fryfrog: | oh |
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| [03:35:12] | iamlindoro: | talking about a fix for lossless transcoding firewire/DVB recordings that crash mythtranscode |
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| [03:57:29] | joez212: | hello |
| [03:57:38] | joez212: | i think i accidently setup a login/password for mythweb |
| [03:57:58] | joez212: | how do i remove that so when i go to my mythtv box ip, it won't ask for a login/password? |
| [03:58:28] | joez212: | i believe i used the mythweb password tool |
| [03:59:11] | xris: | there is no "mythweb passwrd tool" |
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| [03:59:39] | joez212: | xris: so how did i break it? |
| [03:59:41] | SHADOW__X1: | joez212: how did you install mythtv |
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| [04:00:03] | joez212: | mythdora |
| [04:00:07] | joez212: | mythweb password |
| [04:00:10] | joez212: | was the option i used |
| [04:00:13] | joez212: | but i think i cancelled it |
| [04:00:22] | joez212: | or maybe i clicked ok but left it blank |
| [04:00:30] | joez212: | i installed mythdora from the dvd iso |
| [04:00:35] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm is there a myth control center |
| [04:00:40] | SHADOW__X1: | around the menus |
| [04:01:03] | joez212: | not sure it has the option i want to disable a login for the website |
| [04:01:09] | joez212: | rather mythweb |
| [04:01:50] | joez212: | i have no idea how to fix it |
| [04:02:32] | joez212: | authentication required |
| [04:02:52] | joez212: | Apache/2.2.8 (Fedora) Server at 192.168.1.146 Port 80 |
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| [04:05:21] | SHADOW__X1: | there should be a mythtvsetup icon on desktop |
| [04:05:28] | SHADOW__X1: | maybe that is there the option is |
| [04:07:16] | iamlindoro: | Hooo boy |
| [04:07:20] | iamlindoro: | what a mess |
| [04:07:31] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X1: Myth control center is exclusive to Mythbuntu |
| [04:07:57] | DurtDiggler: | whats the best possible card I could get for mythtv |
| [04:08:14] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to do? |
| [04:08:15] | iamlindoro: | joez212: Any tool used to add authentication to mythweb is *als* distro specific. Myth itself has no tool to add authentication to mythweb. In myth proper, all of that is done by editing mythweb.conf. |
| [04:08:20] | iamlindoro: | er also |
| [04:08:45] | SHADOW__X1: | ah alright iamlindoro but i did see that in mythdora there is a setup icon by default on desktop that should point him in the right direction |
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| [04:09:07] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X1: That's mythtv-setup, and has no setting germain to mythweb |
| [04:09:26] | iamlindoro: | germane, that is |
| [04:09:27] | SHADOW__X1: | k |
| [04:10:02] | joez212: | ok |
| [04:10:06] | joez212: | i fixed the problem |
| [04:10:17] | joez212: | i just commented out all the auth lines in the .htaccess file |
| [04:10:20] | joez212: | thanks guys |
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| [04:11:17] | SHADOW__X1: | i just tried to help :( |
| [04:11:19] | DurtDiggler: | anybody know where to look to tell if a pvr500 is type A or type B |
| [04:12:02] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X1: No shame in trying to help, but throwing things at the wall until something sticks isn't necessarily the best way |
| [04:12:17] | iamlindoro: | DurtDiggler: Doesn't matter, all PVR-500s are perfectly supported in Linux |
| [04:12:32] | iamlindoro: | The "Samsung Tuner" stuff is looooooooong since solved |
| [04:13:09] | DurtDiggler: | well Ive read that the samsung tuners are crappy |
| [04:13:11] | SHADOW__X1: | come on iamlindoro you keep guessing until you resolve something manufacturers and engineers have done that for years |
| [04:13:13] | SHADOW__X1: | why cant i |
| [04:13:17] | DurtDiggler: | the type B ones |
| [04:13:25] | DurtDiggler: | have the samsung tuer |
| [04:13:30] | iamlindoro: | DurtDiggler: You are mistaken or you info is woefully out of date |
| [04:13:35] | iamlindoro: | er your |
| [04:13:47] | DurtDiggler: | there's a lot about it in the newegg reviews |
| [04:14:11] | DurtDiggler: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . pk=pvr%2b500 |
| [04:14:13] | iamlindoro: | DurtDiggler: OK, do what you like then, I'm not going to beg you to accept accurate information |
| [04:14:27] | SHADOW__X1: | one thing about newegg reviews DurtDiggler most people are stupid |
| [04:14:44] | iamlindoro: | And those reviews are over two years old, so as I said, woefully out of date |
| [04:15:11] | iamlindoro: | The samsung tuners have been absolutely equivalent to the original tuners in every way for at LEAST 18 months |
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| [04:19:23] | DurtDiggler: | I seem to end up with really bad surprises when I buy stuff so Im just trying to be extra carefull |
| [04:19:42] | GreyFoxx: | Bah |
| [04:19:54] | GreyFoxx: | bloody harddrive failures suck |
| [04:20:27] | GreyFoxx: | that goodness for kernel trickery to still get the data off :) |
| [04:20:44] | wagnerrp: | i prefer refrigerators personally |
| [04:21:27] | GreyFoxx: | I've used that trick, but in this case it was a degraded raid array and an extra disk died while I have one already removed from the array |
| [04:21:42] | GreyFoxx: | so the kernel refused to assemble the drives into the array |
| [04:21:50] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive got a disk which fails after 2 hours of use |
| [04:21:52] | wagnerrp: | forced it to accept the new array? |
| [04:21:54] | GreyFoxx: | a few kernel mods later I'm rsyncing the data off the entire array :) |
| [04:21:54] | DurtDiggler: | use a hammer |
| [04:21:55] | clever: | which i suspect is overheating |
| [04:22:03] | GreyFoxx: | wag: wouldn't let me force it either |
| [04:22:07] | wagnerrp: | err... re-accept the old disk |
| [04:22:07] | clever: | and a fridge does sound like the perfect way to fix it long enough to backup |
| [04:22:13] | GreyFoxx: | so a couple of kernel edits later here I am |
| [04:22:32] | wagnerrp: | clever, put it in a ziplock bag, with some silica packs if you have them |
| [04:22:49] | SHADOW__X1: | ok so i did a dump of my db and i copyed my recordings folder i should beable to have my backend back up with that infor correct? |
| [04:22:50] | clever: | wagnerrp: id need to put the whole thing in my usb enclosure also |
| [04:22:54] | GreyFoxx: | Only really 2 directory trees I really care about so it wont be too bad if I loose some of the other stuff |
| [04:23:03] | clever: | wagnerrp: but the bigger problem is finding 60gig of free space to shove the whole drive into |
| [04:23:17] | clever: | i dont have anywhere to put the crap to save |
| [04:23:18] | GreyFoxx: | I've done the freezer thing, and the tap it gently with a hammer to get it to spin up :) |
| [04:23:28] | wagnerrp: | well... some people dont hav that problem :) |
| [04:23:33] | clever: | my spins up just fine |
| [04:23:54] | GreyFoxx: | I've even used the flicking wrist method to spin it up at powr on |
| [04:24:00] | clever: | lol |
| [04:24:08] | wagnerrp: | that sounds dangerous |
| [04:24:11] | clever: | ive had a problem before where i had too many disks for the PSU |
| [04:24:20] | GreyFoxx: | I've got enough space on my other machines to house this data so I should be ok |
| [04:24:23] | clever: | the surge at power on caused the box to brown out |
| [04:24:26] | GreyFoxx: | wag: When all else fails .... :) |
| [04:25:46] | SHADOW__X1: | anyone? |
| [04:26:04] | SHADOW__X1: | ill send ya a 160 gig hd |
| [04:26:06] | SHADOW__X1: | how bout now |
| [04:26:07] | SHADOW__X1: | ? |
| [04:26:10] | SHADOW__X1: | :D |
| [04:28:34] | Anduin: | SHADOW__X1: Yes, that is enough, though the DB data may need altering (hostnames) |
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| [04:29:36] | SHADOW__X1: | the setup isnt going to change i am just reformating the system and reinstalling |
| [04:29:41] | SHADOW__X1: | i am having weird issues |
| [04:30:02] | SHADOW__X1: | and thanks Anduin no hd though sorry need space |
| [04:30:45] | Anduin: | SHADOW__X1: Yeah, not that someone would want a tiny 160 GB HDD anyway |
| [04:30:54] | SHADOW__X1: | yeah |
| [04:31:13] | SHADOW__X1: | recently i put a 750 in my myth box the 320 in there was filling up way too fast damn hd |
| [04:31:55] | clever: | i have 389g total(lvm array) |
| [04:32:16] | clever: | and its allways 99 or 98% full |
| [04:32:19] | SHADOW__X1: | thats not alot clever do you record hd? |
| [04:32:25] | clever: | i just did a mass delete and dumped a whole series |
| [04:32:28] | clever: | now its 93% full |
| [04:32:30] | Anduin: | I'm using the Olympics as an excuse to jump up to 2 TBs |
| [04:32:37] | clever: | and no i dont even get HD up here, not paying for it |
| [04:32:43] | fryfrog: | I think I have more than 389G of *free* space :p |
| [04:32:47] | clever: | lol |
| [04:32:58] | clever: | fryfrog: i have 28gig free on the main drive |
| [04:33:05] | clever: | and a couple gig here and there on others |
| [04:33:07] | SHADOW__X1: | i have 440gGB of free space one 750 :D |
| [04:33:08] | fryfrog: | /dev/md2 2.1T 1.8T 265G 88% /data |
| [04:33:12] | wagnerrp: | ive got 1.4TB of free space sitting unused, stacked on my desk... :) |
| [04:33:14] | clever: | damn you |
| [04:33:15] | fryfrog: | nm, i guess myth filled up what i cleared :0 |
| [04:33:19] | SHADOW__X1: | what the hell fryfrog cheater |
| [04:33:36] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [04:33:48] | SHADOW__X1: | well i dont have that kind of budget |
| [04:33:51] | fryfrog: | some day, i dream of replacing 8x320 with 8x1TB :) |
| [04:34:06] | fryfrog: | It was $100 320G drives, slowly purchased over time |
| [04:34:12] | fryfrog: | well, 5 at once and then 3 more later |
| [04:34:15] | fryfrog: | (1 at a time) |
| [04:34:18] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [04:34:23] | SHADOW__X1: | is that lvm? |
| [04:34:27] | fryfrog: | linux kernel raid5 is awesome |
| [04:34:37] | fryfrog: | lvm is for people that want a managment headache :) |
| [04:34:43] | fryfrog: | i just make one raid5 array and mount it in one place :p |
| [04:34:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i recently replaced my 8x300GB with 5x750GB |
| [04:34:57] | clever: | fryfrog: lvm lets me play musical chairs with my drives without loosing data:P |
| [04:35:00] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm but what if your kernel panics or crashes |
| [04:35:13] | clever: | ive even moved an entire PV to another system and kept using it(nbd) |
| [04:35:18] | fryfrog: | SHADOW__X1: what do you mean? |
| [04:35:25] | fryfrog: | server reboots, life goes on |
| [04:35:28] | wagnerrp: | SHADOW__X1: well then your computer is going down, what would LVM do in such a situation? |
| [04:35:38] | clever: | fryfrog: it was just a temp setup |
| [04:35:46] | clever: | i was upgrading/replacing a drive with a bigger one |
| [04:35:51] | clever: | but i cant connect 5 pata drives |
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| [04:35:53] | fryfrog: | nah, i'm just teasing lvm has a good use and place |
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| [04:36:04] | clever: | so i stuck it in another box and peiced the array together over the ethernet |
| [04:36:09] | fryfrog: | i just prefer to use a single file system on one array :) |
| [04:36:13] | clever: | then expanded it to the new internal drive |
| [04:36:16] | clever: | and did pvmove |
| [04:36:17] | SHADOW__X1: | i dont know i am just asking how safe using kernel raid 5 is i do not know much about it am intrigued but wonder what if your os crashes or something like that would you lose everything |
| [04:36:28] | fryfrog: | clever: how do you do it over teh net? |
| [04:36:34] | clever: | fryfrog: network block device |
| [04:36:53] | fryfrog: | SHADOW__X1: it would take actual drive failures (2 of them) to lose data on a raid5 array |
| [04:37:01] | wagnerrp: | unless your kernel trashes your array as a last hurrah, it should be perfectly safe |
| [04:37:10] | fryfrog: | you can throw your array in any linux machine and use it |
| [04:37:11] | wagnerrp: | all you use is any data still in transit to the disk |
| [04:37:30] | wagnerrp: | s/use/lose/ |
| [04:37:37] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X1: You can take linux softwre RAID drives to any other linux system and rebuild the array |
| [04:37:40] | clever: | lets me share the whole raw drive over tcp |
| [04:37:40] | clever: | lvm can then access the PV thru that like normal |
| [04:37:40] | clever: | nbd-client and mainlv/archives# nbd- |
| [04:37:40] | clever: | oops |
| [04:37:40] | clever: | nbd-client and nbd-server |
| [04:38:02] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm thats very interesting thats really intelligent |
| [04:38:13] | SHADOW__X1: | and i am guessing speed is way upthere |
| [04:38:15] | clever: | fryfrog: i threw the corner of my array into another box and still got it together:P |
| [04:38:39] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [04:38:56] | clever: | then i was able to pvcreate vgexpand into the new drive in the 'local' box |
| [04:39:00] | fryfrog: | raid5 is generally not known for fast write speed, but the read speed is decent |
| [04:39:03] | clever: | and pvmove the old network one back into the box |
| [04:39:05] | fryfrog: | do you know anything about raid? |
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| [04:39:17] | clever: | fryfrog: never used raid myself |
| [04:39:18] | SHADOW__X1: | yeah fryfrog i know |
| [04:39:24] | SHADOW__X1: | i know about t he different levels and all that |
| [04:39:27] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [04:39:31] | SHADOW__X1: | i know the though behind it |
| [04:39:43] | clever: | but i could also build lvm ontop of raid mirrors to save my data from hdd failure |
| [04:39:44] | fryfrog: | i think i get significatnly more than 1 drives worth of read speed (maybe 2–4x) but not 8x |
| [04:39:47] | SHADOW__X1: | i just dont know linux kernel raid or linux software raid |
| [04:39:54] | wagnerrp: | every time you write to a raid5 or 6 array, you have to update the parity |
| [04:39:55] | fryfrog: | and writes are maybe 1–2x of one drive i'd guess |
| [04:39:55] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X1: same difference |
| [04:40:09] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X1: Two terms, same thing |
| [04:40:11] | clever: | fryfrog: my drives are allready painfully slow |
| [04:40:17] | wagnerrp: | so unless the software/hardware is smart enough to cache in flight on a bulk transfer, and dump everything to disk at once |
| [04:40:26] | wagnerrp: | youre going to be limited to the speed of a single drive |
| [04:40:26] | SHADOW__X1: | well wouldnt software raid use a controller card within the mb iamlindoro? |
| [04:40:37] | fryfrog: | yeah, linux kernel (soft) is about the same as hard, except the calculations are on cpu instead of its own device |
| [04:40:37] | clever: | copying a 2gig file to /dev/null..... |
| [04:40:47] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW__X1: no |
| [04:40:49] | fryfrog: | no, softraid uses the cpu (and normal disk connectors) |
| [04:41:00] | fryfrog: | hardware raid is when you have something special on a pci/pci-e/motherboard |
| [04:41:06] | wagnerrp: | read speed is roughly the combined speed of all the drives minus 1 (or 2 for raid6) |
| [04:41:21] | fryfrog: | course, all "cheap" hardware raid is really software raid |
| [04:41:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you need to spend OVER $300 to get true hardware raid |
| [04:42:02] | clever: | fryfrog: but can you reconfig hardware raid without rebooting? |
| [04:42:02] | fryfrog: | all that said about read/write speed... |
| [04:42:06] | clever: | and without loosing data? |
| [04:42:12] | wagnerrp: | most highpoint and promise cards (as well as lesser known brands) just offload processing to the CPU |
| [04:42:19] | fryfrog: | i've never had any issues with write speed in my system |
| [04:42:29] | fryfrog: | clever: depends on what you mean, most can swap a drive "hot" |
| [04:42:31] | wagnerrp: | clever: that depends on the card |
| [04:42:38] | fryfrog: | but so can softraid if your shit supports it |
| [04:42:39] | clever: | yeah |
| [04:42:45] | clever: | wagnerrp: which might be more expensive |
| [04:42:54] | fryfrog: | you generally won't be doing raid0 -> raid1 "live" |
| [04:43:00] | fryfrog: | or raid1 -> raid5 |
| [04:43:03] | clever: | with lvm i can move the data arround within the drives while using it |
| [04:43:08] | fryfrog: | if they even *have* that ability |
| [04:43:16] | wagnerrp: | mine can swap in new disks, can enlarge the array, can migrate to a different raid level, all on a live file system |
| [04:43:25] | clever: | lvm can stripe but it can only do so at create time |
| [04:43:28] | fryfrog: | most people who use lvm and care about their data just put the lvm on top of raid |
| [04:43:32] | clever: | i seem to loose the stripes when i pvmove |
| [04:43:39] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: hard or linux kernel? |
| [04:43:43] | wagnerrp: | hard |
| [04:43:49] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [04:43:56] | fryfrog: | course, so can linux soft |
| [04:43:57] | clever: | wagnerrp: but can you shrink the array to remove a faulty disk after mass deleting some crap? |
| [04:44:07] | wagnerrp: | i *can* do it on a live disk, but its not recommended |
| [04:44:09] | fryfrog: | clever: no, not shrink |
| [04:44:21] | wagnerrp: | theres no risk involved, but it takes considerably longer to complete the operation |
| [04:44:27] | fryfrog: | clever: when a disk is faulty with raid5, you just remove and replace it |
| [04:44:30] | clever: | fryfrog: thats where the problem would come in if your short on cash and cant replace the drive |
| [04:44:38] | clever: | and cant replace the drive |
| [04:44:47] | fryfrog: | yeah, you don't want raid then :) |
| [04:44:47] | wagnerrp: | clever: very few arrays, or file systems for that matter, have the ability to shrink |
| [04:44:54] | wagnerrp: | nearly all of them can only expand |
| [04:44:54] | fryfrog: | but i've used my array while I RMA a drive |
| [04:45:30] | wagnerrp: | also, my controller can only migrate up in raid number, not down |
| [04:45:30] | clever: | 2414866432 bytes (2.4 GB) copied, 296.021 seconds, 8.2 MB/s |
| [04:45:47] | clever: | wagnerrp: ext3 and fat can shrink |
| [04:45:50] | wagnerrp: | thats painfully slow... |
| [04:45:55] | fryfrog: | yeah, that is really slow |
| [04:45:58] | fryfrog: | you have dma enabled? |
| [04:46:02] | clever: | i think so |
| [04:46:10] | clever: | the filesystem itself is in 24 fragments thru lvm |
| [04:46:18] | clever: | and the file itself is in 22729 fragments |
| [04:46:30] | clever: | id blame seeking for that slowdown |
| [04:46:32] | iamlindoro: | I get in the 140s read speed on md raid 5, 40–50 write IIRC |
| [04:46:59] | fryfrog: | reminds me to run xfs_fsr :) |
| [04:47:10] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: how many disks? |
| [04:47:11] | clever: | checking to see what file is the least fragmented |
| [04:47:20] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: five |
| [04:47:21] | fryfrog: | also, do you just test with dd? |
| [04:47:33] | clever: | ugh damn google |
| [04:47:46] | clever: | ./a-marapr2008.db3: 776 extents found, perfection would be 2 extents |
| [04:47:47] | clever: | dd if=a-marapr2008.db3 of=/dev/null bs=1024 |
| [04:47:51] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: dd and hdparm, usually |
| [04:47:54] | clever: | 219558912 bytes (220 MB) copied, 8.08479 seconds, 27.2 MB/s |
| [04:48:05] | clever: | better speed |
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| [04:48:20] | fryfrog: | clever: make your own file with dd |
| [04:48:29] | fryfrog: | and be sure to use one bigger than your ram |
| [04:48:42] | clever: | fryfrog: that would still depend on the freespace fragmentation |
| [04:48:49] | clever: | and with 7% free it has to be horid |
| [04:48:55] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [04:49:17] | clever: | also the filesystem itself is in 24 fragments within the lvm layer |
| [04:49:23] | clever: | which are spread randomly over 5 partitions |
| [04:49:26] | clever: | on 4 psysical disks |
| [04:49:54] | fryfrog: | see, lvm is for people who want managment :p |
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| [04:49:59] | clever: | i can defrag the lvm |
| [04:50:02] | clever: | it just takes time |
| [04:50:02] | fryfrog: | i have 8 disks, all in one raid5 array, all in one dir :p |
| [04:50:05] | wagnerrp: | to the array, i get 103MB/s. from the array, i get 71.4MB/s... that doesnt seem right... |
| [04:50:18] | clever: | fryfrog: i have all 4 disks merged into mostly 1 filesystem |
| [04:50:29] | clever: | the others are from ideas i had to sort the data and contain the fragmentation |
| [04:50:29] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: if you are using dd, make sure you write / read a file that is *larger* than the amount of ram you have |
| [04:50:39] | wagnerrp: | ah, block size was too small |
| [04:50:48] | wagnerrp: | i set it to 1M, and dd gets 161MB/s |
| [04:51:01] | clever: | fryfrog: the reason i have 2 partitions on the same disk is another problem |
| [04:51:03] | fryfrog: | why does block size matter? |
| [04:51:05] | clever: | i couldnt format the disk |
| [04:51:11] | fryfrog: | i usually use bs=512 and then up/down the count |
| [04:51:12] | clever: | so i shrink the parition on there |
| [04:51:17] | clever: | then converted the rest to lvm |
| [04:51:25] | wagnerrp: | larger chunks get transferred with less overhead |
| [04:51:25] | clever: | then moved data over and deleted the old partition |
| [04:51:30] | clever: | and converted more to lvm |
| [04:51:31] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: ah |
| [04:51:41] | clever: | 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 116.397 seconds, 9.0 MB/s |
| [04:51:44] | clever: | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=10240 count=102400 |
| [04:51:45] | fryfrog: | i wonder what size chunks the os reads/writes in normally? |
| [04:52:57] | wagnerrp: | 4GB to, in 44.99s (95.4MB/s). 4GB from, in 29.2s (147.1MB/s). |
| [04:53:14] | clever: | wagnerrp: damn u! |
| [04:53:22] | clever: | its taking me 2mins for 1gig |
| [04:53:26] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: paste your dd line? |
| [04:53:28] | clever: | 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 88.4276 seconds, 11.9 MB/s |
| [04:53:31] | fryfrog: | (s) |
| [04:53:43] | clever: | (testing each of the 4 drives) |
| [04:53:59] | clever: | woot! |
| [04:54:01] | wagnerrp: | dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/raid750/out-temp bs=1M count=4096 |
| [04:54:04] | clever: | sdc 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 21.8353 seconds, 48.0 MB/s |
| [04:54:09] | clever: | that drive is wicked:P |
| [04:54:22] | clever: | i should move my swap to sdc asap |
| [04:54:43] | wagnerrp: | thats on a 2GB system, with 256MB disk cache |
| [04:54:46] | clever: | sdd 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 25.6584 seconds, 40.9 MB/s |
| [04:54:48] | clever: | or sdd |
| [04:54:55] | clever: | but now i see a weird patern |
| [04:55:03] | clever: | the entire master ide cable is shit slow |
| [04:55:10] | clever: | the secondary is damn fast |
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| [04:55:22] | wagnerrp: | you did not partition your disks? |
| [04:55:33] | clever: | wagnerrp: i skiped the partitions to just get the raw disk speed |
| [04:55:42] | clever: | but they are partitioned to death |
| [04:55:56] | wagnerrp: | youre reading from, i hope |
| [04:56:04] | clever: | yes im reading the raw disk:P |
| [04:56:07] | clever: | im not stupid |
| [04:56:10] | clever: | dd if=/dev/sdd of=/dev/null bs=10240 count=102400 |
| [04:56:16] | wagnerrp: | ok, got worried there for a second |
| [04:56:18] | clever: | sda and sdb where 9mb and 11mb/sec |
| [04:56:23] | clever: | sdc and sdd where 48 and 40mb/sec |
| [04:56:35] | clever: | something is fucked up:P |
| [04:57:14] | clever: | and no none of this is SATA |
| [04:57:36] | wagnerrp: | obviously, if youre talking master/secondary |
| [04:58:16] | fryfrog: | well, if naming holds up |
| [04:58:25] | fryfrog: | one is a master/slave pair going slow and the other is a master/slave going fast |
| [04:58:39] | wagnerrp: | bad cable perhaps? |
| [04:58:40] | clever: | fryfrog: exactly |
| [04:58:42] | fryfrog: | i'd expect the masters to both be fast and the slaves to maybe be a little slower (if you system is busy) |
| [04:58:50] | wagnerrp: | you have a 40pin running to those disks? |
| [04:58:50] | fryfrog: | i don't spose you can just *not* have slaves? |
| [04:59:00] | fryfrog: | or perhaps exactly, not using 80 pin cable |
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| [04:59:06] | clever: | fryfrog: then id be missing half my lvm array |
| [04:59:07] | fryfrog: | or uh... are the first two old shitty disks? |
| [04:59:19] | clever: | i'll show you my partition layout |
| [04:59:40] | fryfrog: | what? |
| [04:59:42] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . nshot-35.png |
| [04:59:50] | clever: | hit next up top to see the other 3 disks |
| [04:59:51] | fryfrog: | no, i mean do you have 4 main ide ports |
| [05:00:11] | wagnerrp: | two system, two onboard raid |
| [05:00:33] | wagnerrp: | i assume you have at least one extra port, or else youre running this system without an optical disk |
| [05:00:54] | fryfrog: | time to switch to sata, no master/slave :p |
| [05:01:07] | clever: | wagnerrp: 4 ide harddrives |
| [05:01:10] | clever: | no optical drives |
| [05:01:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i swore i would never buy another IDE about 5 years ago |
| [05:01:26] | clever: | the dvd burner started making coasters so i tore it out |
| [05:01:45] | wagnerrp: | ive almost been able to hold to it |
| [05:01:48] | clever: | there im at the tower now |
| [05:01:54] | clever: | had to pull the microwave out |
| [05:02:02] | wagnerrp: | i had to buy a replacement boot drive for one of my application servers |
| [05:02:10] | clever: | 20 year old microwave |
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| [05:02:46] | wagnerrp: | odd, woot hasnt updated yet |
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| [05:02:55] | clever: | yes |
| [05:03:06] | clever: | 1 ide cable is noticably less pins |
| [05:03:18] | wagnerrp: | that would do it |
| [05:03:20] | fryfrog: | FIX IT! |
| [05:03:30] | wagnerrp: | 80-pin cables are rated to 133MHz |
| [05:03:30] | clever: | i need to shutdown 2 computers to change it |
| [05:03:36] | clever: | and find a cord:P |
| [05:03:38] | wagnerrp: | 40-pin cables cant do more than 33MHz |
| [05:03:42] | wagnerrp: | err... MB/s |
| [05:03:46] | clever: | ouch |
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| [05:04:17] | clever: | hold on while i drain a buffer |
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| [05:04:47] | wagnerrp: | i recently threw out all my 40-pin cables, and most of my floppy cables, and most of my 80-pin cables too |
| [05:04:50] | wagnerrp: | just dont have a use for them |
| [05:04:56] | mzb_d800: | iirc 40pin can do 66 (or am I thinking the wrong thing?) |
| [05:05:08] | fryfrog: | 33 i think? |
| [05:05:10] | wagnerrp: | 40-pin can only do 33 |
| [05:05:12] | fryfrog: | 80pin is 66 and 100 |
| [05:05:26] | wagnerrp: | and 133, depending on the manufacturer |
| [05:05:28] | fryfrog: | maybe 133 if that exists (been a while since i've used ide either) |
| [05:05:55] | wagnerrp: | maxtor and seagate make 133 drives, everyone else just stuck with 100, and moved onto SATA |
| [05:06:12] | clever: | nope thats a 40 on the redhat9 |
| [05:06:28] | wagnerrp: | were only recently exceeding 100MB/s on drives |
| [05:06:51] | clever: | and theres a 40 on the router |
| [05:07:04] | fryfrog: | yeah, the transfer capacity is pretty far below the actual speeds |
| [05:07:14] | fryfrog: | unless you happen to catch something on the disk's cache |
| [05:07:14] | mzb_d800: | so if 40pin can only do 33, why are 80pin cables called ATA100 cables? |
| [05:07:25] | fryfrog: | well, they can do 100 too |
| [05:07:26] | clever: | and theres a 40 on the floor |
| [05:07:46] | fryfrog: | clever: i got a bunch of 80s, i could probably send you one or three :p |
| [05:08:05] | clever: | fryfrog: let me find that pic |
| [05:08:20] | wagnerrp: | by the time you could ship them out, he could go to a computer store and pick up a handful for $5 |
| [05:08:27] | clever: | fryfrog: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 2806_010.jpg |
| [05:08:41] | fryfrog: | i'm goin to the post office tomorow afternoon to mail something to mzb_d800 |
| [05:09:00] | mzb_d800: | ah ... nice |
| [05:09:20] | mzb_d800: | how many pigeons are they going to sacrifice, I wonder ;) |
| [05:09:24] | clever: | fryfrog: that image is the result of me raping every single unused system i had to find parts for my router |
| [05:09:52] | fryfrog: | i think i donated about twice that many drives to a computer recycling center when i moved |
| [05:09:57] | clever: | looks like a 40 in my media system also |
| [05:10:04] | fryfrog: | i wish i'd had time to take them apart and steal their magnets |
| [05:10:09] | clever: | lol |
| [05:10:22] | wagnerrp: | that is a shitton of worthless memory |
| [05:10:32] | fryfrog: | seriously :) |
| [05:10:46] | fryfrog: | i didn't have that much of memory, but i did have a fair amount of useless/worthless |
| [05:10:46] | clever: | wagnerrp: yes only the bottom 2 are of any useable size |
| [05:10:49] | fryfrog: | memory |
| [05:10:52] | clever: | and those 2 sticks killed a drive on me |
| [05:11:12] | mzb_d800: | I've recently thrown away about 3 boxes of old drives |
| [05:11:29] | clever: | i fed the 2 sticks to what is now the master backend |
| [05:11:38] | clever: | and xp gave a fit and murdered the hdd |
| [05:11:45] | clever: | it now fails after 3–4 hours of use |
| [05:11:47] | iamlindoro: | I have about 64 GB of RAM on the desk in my office with absolutely no purpose... I've already maxed my myth boxes out and I STILL can't do anything with it |
| [05:12:27] | clever: | i could play musical chairs with my existing 40 cable |
| [05:12:32] | clever: | to put all the big drives on the 80 |
| [05:12:47] | clever: | then just section the 40 cable off to a seperate set of LV's |
| [05:13:18] | clever: | so i dont split the filesystems between fast and slow disks |
| [05:14:17] | clever: | ive done it before |
| [05:14:23] | Dagmar: | 40 cable? |
| [05:14:23] | clever: | expanded the lvm into a usb 1.0 enclosure |
| [05:14:36] | Dagmar: | You are still using drives which use a 40pin IDE cable? |
| [05:14:36] | clever: | it caused so much lag i couldnt even record a show |
| [05:14:49] | clever: | Dagmar: i just discovered that a 40pin cable is why my drives are so slow |
| [05:14:51] | Dagmar: | Dude, that's not something you should have done. |
| [05:14:59] | clever: | i know:P |
| [05:15:09] | Dagmar: | clever: Yes, see, this is why you should start reciting "Measure twice, cut once" |
| [05:15:15] | clever: | lol |
| [05:15:21] | Dagmar: | No, I mean you shouldn't hjave even tried to use the USB 1.0 drive |
| [05:15:22] | clever: | i never cut the ide cable |
| [05:15:27] | Dagmar: | USB 1.0 is not just slow, it's DAMN slow. |
| [05:15:31] | clever: | i know |
| [05:15:37] | clever: | but thats all the master has |
| [05:15:50] | clever: | i get faster thruput if i share the enclosure over the network from a 2nd box |
| [05:15:56] | clever: | which has 2.0 |
| [05:16:30] | wagnerrp: | woot is getting thrashed |
| [05:16:50] | clever: | wagnerrp: lg 22" ? |
| [05:17:04] | wagnerrp: | that monitor is still up from yesterday |
| [05:17:25] | clever: | i thought it was something else earlyer today |
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| [05:18:33] | clever: | aha |
| [05:18:35] | clever: | found a hdd stash |
| [05:18:57] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... speaking of drives ... time to get ready for fakeraid testing on an XPS730 |
| [05:19:00] | Dagmar: | As to the 40pin IDE cables, dude, those basically stopped being useful for anything except CDROM drives *and I do mean CDROM drives, not burners* back in 2000 |
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| [05:19:31] | clever: | Dagmar: that could also be why my burner started to make coasters last year |
| [05:19:54] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [05:20:01] | wagnerrp: | dagmar: i get stuck repairing relatives computers, and im still finding those being put into fairly new computers |
| [05:20:23] | Dagmar: | clever: Very possibly |
| [05:20:38] | clever: | i dont think i'll find one in the house |
| [05:20:41] | clever: | off to the garage! |
| [05:20:46] | wagnerrp: | did you start burning faster? or add another drive on the same channel? |
| [05:21:21] | Dagmar: | It could be something as simple as a new radio station firing up nearby |
| [05:21:47] | Dagmar: | Those extra 40 pins are all for noise reduction, because those UDMA transfers are highly sensitive to electrical noise |
| [05:21:54] | wagnerrp: | you know, i used to pick up HAM operators on my computer speakers |
| [05:22:28] | wagnerrp: | im surprised that never caused any more detrimental effects on my equpiment |
| [05:22:29] | SHADOW__X1: | nice |
| [05:22:35] | Dagmar: | Just like in an electrically "quiet" room, you can wire a cat5 cable using whatever the hell pin ordering you like, so long as it's the same on both ends. |
| [05:22:46] | Dagmar: | However, doing that means turning on the microwave will murder your throughput. |
| [05:22:46] | clever: | shit |
| [05:23:10] | clever: | the pile of boxes near the garage door caved in |
| [05:23:22] | Dagmar: | Use the *pairs* of wires to the paired pins like you're supposed to, and you can hang that same cat5 cable on the hooks you hang your christmas lights from and it won't hurt a thing |
| [05:23:24] | clever: | will need to open the big door or move the pile to get to the computer stuff |
| [05:23:28] | SHADOW__X1: | to go on with what was being discussed around 30 min ago i cant find a good linux raid site that has either upated to use the 2.6 kernel or believe that linux has found guis yet |
| [05:23:42] | clever: | but its 3am and id wake the neighbors with the big door opener |
| [05:23:48] | clever: | and theres no wifi signal out there |
| [05:23:50] | SHADOW__X1: | can someone point me to a good site for setting up linux raid |
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| [05:23:58] | Dagmar: | SHADOW__X1: That's because Linux users tend to be adults and don't require GUIs to figure out LVM. |
| [05:24:09] | SHADOW__X1: | i dont want lvm |
| [05:24:14] | SHADOW__X1: | i dont need gui |
| [05:24:26] | Dagmar: | SHADOW__X1: I kid you not that if you just up and "do" an LVM setup once, following the instructions in the LVM2 HOWTO without _questioning_ them, the problem will go away |
| [05:24:30] | SHADOW__X1: | and what i was meaning is that they havnt been updated in a long long time |
| [05:24:35] | wagnerrp: | the gentoo wiki probably has a howto |
| [05:24:35] | Dagmar: | mdadm works much the same way, just slightly different commands |
| [05:24:40] | Dagmar: | It's the same problem with both. |
| [05:24:50] | pigeon: | mzb_d800: as long as that doesn't include me, i'm fine ;) |
| [05:25:05] | clever: | Dagmar: what would a 20 year old microwave do when its pressed right up against my computer tower:P |
| [05:25:08] | Dagmar: | The docs don't make a damn bit of sense until you actually understand the way the volume groups, logical volumes, and volume volumes (hah) fit together |
| [05:25:09] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [05:25:19] | clever: | this beast is so old it has a convection mode on it(hot air cooking) |
| [05:25:20] | Dagmar: | clever: HEHEH |
| [05:25:23] | wagnerrp: | probably destroy hardware |
| [05:25:29] | clever: | wagnerrp: hasnt done that yet |
| [05:25:45] | wagnerrp: | what speed is your computer? |
| [05:25:52] | SHADOW__X1: | put a cd in it for 5 min |
| [05:25:57] | SHADOW__X1: | it make purrrty |
| [05:25:59] | clever: | 1.6ghz for the top tower |
| [05:26:02] | clever: | 2.9ghz for the bottom |
| [05:26:09] | clever: | stacked ontop of eachother behind the microwave stand |
| [05:26:23] | wireddd is now known as KoR | |
| [05:26:30] | wagnerrp: | ive always wondered if machines closer to 2.4GHz would be more sensitive to microwave ovens |
| [05:26:44] | clever: | the 2.9ghz celeron was shitslow to begin with:P |
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| [05:26:52] | clever: | and i havent realy tested it any while nuking things |
| [05:27:00] | SHADOW__X1: | get a celeron d |
| [05:27:02] | clever: | but it hasnt damaged the hardware or caused any major outages |
| [05:27:02] | SHADOW__X1: | :D |
| [05:27:12] | clever: | i think it is a celerond |
| [05:27:14] | SHADOW__X1: | oc the piss out of it then you get something comparable to a p4 |
| [05:27:40] | clever: | yep says celeron d on the sticker |
| [05:27:45] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [05:27:57] | clever: | upper system is a model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz |
| [05:27:58] | wagnerrp: | well for future reference, its typically not good to place heat generating devices, or high power transmitters, next to computer hardware |
| [05:28:02] | SHADOW__X1: | i had a 2.4 d wasnt too good |
| [05:28:03] | clever: | and its shit slow aswell |
| [05:28:05] | wagnerrp: | consider yourself lucky and stupid |
| [05:28:06] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [05:28:29] | SHADOW__X1: | when i had it at 3.6ghz with 800mhz fsb itwas pretty good |
| [05:28:30] | clever: | wagnerrp: the front of the computers is also facing the fridge:P |
| [05:28:33] | SHADOW__X1: | so clever do that |
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| [05:31:28] | clever: | now to copy the photos |
| [05:32:51] | clever: | and copy to my site |
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| [05:34:46] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/tower |
| [05:35:15] | clever: | Dagmar: you can see the 2 computer towers and fridge and the microwave that rolls up to hide them perfectly |
| [05:35:35] | clever: | and yes my phone/camera sucks at being a camera |
| [05:38:08] | KoR is now known as wire | |
| [05:38:20] | clever: | why has the room gone silent...:P |
| [05:38:22] | clever: | wagnerrp: wake up:P |
| [05:38:31] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [05:38:45] | clever: | the room just sudenly went silent |
| [05:40:25] | clever: | i should also do something about the 2 ntfs partitions on my sdc |
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| [05:43:46] | SHADOW__X1: | i am starting from scratch hopefully i dont lose everything |
| [05:43:59] | clever: | thats why i never reformat |
| [05:44:13] | SHADOW__X1: | eh |
| [05:44:15] | clever: | and why i have 20 partition images of old old drives laying arround |
| [05:44:21] | clever: | like these 2 ntfs partitions on my linux system |
| [05:44:23] | SHADOW__X1: | i dont want to do that |
| [05:44:31] | clever: | the copy from the 60g and 80g drive |
| [05:44:43] | clever: | with 99% of the data moved out and shrunk to 4gig and 500mb |
| [05:45:26] | jroysdon: | I just keep copying my stuff over after fresh installs |
| [05:45:37] | jroysdon: | (after backing it up to another drive first) |
| [05:45:51] | SHADOW__X1: | yeah i saved recordings and db |
| [05:45:53] | clever: | jroysdon: i just play musical chairs and move entire partitions arround most of the time |
| [05:46:05] | SHADOW__X1: | hopefully everything in the system works now from what i have learned |
| [05:46:06] | clever: | posibly after moving misc avi files out and shrinking it as much as i can |
| [05:46:06] | SHADOW__X1: | :D |
| [05:46:10] | jroysdon: | I don't move most of the .settings folders |
| [05:46:20] | jroysdon: | many times, I found, new versions don't like old settings |
| [05:46:26] | clever: | my stuff is randomly spread arround the whole disk |
| [05:46:40] | SHADOW__X1: | clever: or you can just buy BIG hds and not do that |
| [05:46:48] | jroysdon: | The only exception is I keep stuff I can about like .mozilla .firefox, etc. |
| [05:47:06] | jroysdon: | I move things over one directory at a time and use disk utils to find big directories |
| [05:47:07] | clever: | SHADOW__X1: it helps to remove the avi files from a backup i'll rarely touch and put them in with the rest of my avi's |
| [05:47:11] | clever: | so i can still find them |
| [05:47:17] | jroysdon: | often with old customer backups, etc. that I don't need and can ditch |
| [05:47:26] | jroysdon: | (or old movie/tv files from mythtv, etc.) |
| [05:47:28] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [05:47:47] | jroysdon: | but I usually have that stuff in other directories, not my ~ |
| [05:48:00] | SHADOW__X1: | raid 5? |
| [05:48:02] | clever: | jroysdon: half these backups are fat32 and ntfs(before i got into linux) |
| [05:48:19] | jroysdon: | ah, I would just cp it over |
| [05:48:24] | jroysdon: | ditch the old stuff |
| [05:48:38] | clever: | good ive cloned /dev/sdc3 perfectly |
| [05:48:41] | clever: | md5 hashes match |
| [05:48:45] | clever: | now to delete and reuse it |
| [05:49:40] | clever: | sdc is on the 80wire cable so it should do much better for swap |
| [05:51:19] | clever: | and swapon away! |
| [05:51:48] | clever: | that should help improve performance |
| [05:52:22] | clever: | /dev/sdc3: UUID="3e566b34–3eb6–49c2–9b7c-d0c6cd3a731e" TYPE="swap" |
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| [06:08:02] | fryfrog: | clever: it'll only really improve performance if you are *actually* using swap |
| [06:08:13] | fryfrog: | and if you are using swap, you're kinda fucked anyway... so get more ram :p |
| [06:08:13] | clever: | Filename Type Size Used Priority |
| [06:08:17] | clever: | /dev/sdc3 partition 747012 509140 25 |
| [06:08:36] | clever: | im not using swap all the time |
| [06:08:36] | fryfrog: | free -m provides a pretty readable output |
| [06:08:45] | clever: | total used free shared buffers cached |
| [06:08:47] | clever: | Mem: 504 498 5 0 10 146 |
| [06:08:48] | clever: | -/+ buffers/cache: 341 162 |
| [06:08:51] | clever: | Swap: 1757 502 1254 |
| [06:09:04] | clever: | i have 2 swaps enabled atm to handle overflow |
| [06:09:23] | fryfrog: | 500mb is a lot of swap to be used, how much ram you got? |
| [06:09:30] | fryfrog: | also, smaller pastes please :p |
| [06:09:33] | clever: | 512mb i think |
| [06:09:38] | clever: | look at the 2nd line of the paste:P |
| [06:09:38] | fryfrog: | i'm using 150mb on a 1G system |
| [06:10:08] | clever: | a java based program is eating 76mb of ram and loads of swap |
| [06:10:23] | clever: | Mem: 516172k total, 509732k used, 6440k free, 15248k buffers |
| [06:10:23] | clever: | Swap: 1799228k total, 523908k used, 1275320k free, 149740k cached |
| [06:10:30] | clever: | i find that alot more readable and less spammy also |
| [06:10:57] | fryfrog: | well, i guess if your box is responsive it don't matter much |
| [06:11:44] | clever: | the problem is when i do start swaping |
| [06:11:50] | clever: | my swap WAS on a 9mb/sec drive |
| [06:12:21] | fryfrog: | yeah, that'd suck :) |
| [06:12:27] | fryfrog: | thats maybe a little slower than ram |
| [06:12:30] | fryfrog: | just a little :p |
| [06:12:46] | clever: | the swap is now on a 40mb/sec drive so it will react much faster even when under heavy swaping |
| [06:12:46] | clever: | but it felt a little small on the swap usage graph so i turned the old swap back on at a lower prio |
| [06:12:46] | clever: | Mem: 516172k total, 428000k used, 88172k free, 11328k buffers |
| [06:12:46] | clever: | Swap: 1799228k total, 385592k used, 1413636k free, 136624k cached |
| [06:12:57] | clever: | after shuting the hungry hungry java off |
| [06:13:19] | clever: | next is mythfrontend eating 37mb of ram(128m virtual) |
| [06:13:34] | clever: | Mem: 516172k total, 457324k used, 58848k free, 12672k buffers |
| [06:13:35] | clever: | Swap: 1799228k total, 378180k used, 1421048k free, 179980k cached |
| [06:13:51] | clever: | then a bunch of misc services which i cant realy close |
| [06:14:13] | clever: | ctrlproxy mysql irssi mythbackend squid gnome-panel xvnc4 php php xorg mythwelcome ... |
| [06:18:51] | fryfrog: | how much swap do you have? i usually use about 2x memory as my size, but don't use anywhere near that (unless the box is grinding to a halt) |
| [06:19:48] | clever: | i turned on the ~700mb swap by itself |
| [06:19:51] | clever: | but it felt a little small |
| [06:19:58] | clever: | so i just threw the old one on as overflow |
| [06:20:03] | clever: | now i have 1.7gig of swap in total |
| [06:20:18] | clever: | i set the swap prio to use the small&fast one |
| [06:20:41] | jroysdon: | I just take the defaults with swap to have, but I never let my system swap |
| [06:20:51] | clever: | http://pastebin.ca/1081571 |
| [06:20:52] | jroysdon: | free always reports used=0 |
| [06:21:09] | clever: | you can see sdb2(the slow one) is totaly unused because its just the overflow |
| [06:21:09] | ** tfm is gone. Away after 60000 minutes of inactivity [Since: 07/24/08 08:21:09 CEST] ** | |
| [06:21:26] | jroysdon: | clever, get more ram... swap is bad ;-p |
| [06:21:31] | jroysdon: | swapping is bad, I should say |
| [06:21:38] | clever: | Mem: 126016k total, 122692k used, 3324k free, 65792k buffers |
| [06:21:38] | clever: | Swap: 698816k total, 32k used, 698784k free, 33828k cached |
| [06:21:38] | jroysdon: | swap is just a "just in case" |
| [06:21:43] | jroysdon: | ahh |
| [06:21:45] | clever: | thats the only system with low swap usage |
| [06:21:54] | clever: | and it has 128mb ram, one of the smaller systems |
| [06:21:58] | clever: | its my router |
| [06:22:01] | jroysdon: | ah |
| [06:22:09] | jroysdon: | turn off stuff you don't need then... |
| [06:22:09] | clever: | Tasks: 37 total, 2 running, 35 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| [06:22:19] | clever: | the router is real slim |
| [06:22:38] | clever: | all the other systems are running ubuntu and have loads of junk going |
| [06:23:06] | jroysdon: | killall junk |
| [06:23:06] | clever: | my laptop for example has 153mb of ram(411mb virt) going to firefox right now |
| [06:23:07] | jroysdon: | ;-) |
| [06:23:18] | clever: | Mem: 515572k total, 507860k used, 7712k free, 31852k buffers |
| [06:23:18] | clever: | Swap: 1048568k total, 527816k used, 520752k free, 51100k cached |
| [06:23:20] | clever: | for the laptop |
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| [06:23:48] | jroysdon: | always subtract buffers and cached to get the true "free" amount |
| [06:23:54] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:23:59] | clever: | free+cache+buffer |
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| [06:24:02] | jroysdon: | but that is... err, bad |
| [06:24:04] | jroysdon: | need more ram |
| [06:24:09] | clever: | firefox just shutdown |
| [06:24:11] | clever: | Mem: 515572k total, 338320k used, 177252k free, 712k buffers |
| [06:24:12] | clever: | Swap: 1048568k total, 465472k used, 583096k free, 48116k cached |
| [06:24:14] | jroysdon: | isn't that a dog with all that swap? |
| [06:24:14] | clever: | much better:P |
| [06:24:31] | clever: | next is X which is a bit bloated |
| [06:24:36] | clever: | its using 104mb of ram! |
| [06:25:00] | jroysdon: | I mean, a dog with all that swapping going on |
| [06:25:17] | jroysdon: | my system is using ~570mb |
| [06:25:21] | clever: | it isnt actualy swaping that much |
| [06:25:31] | clever: | yes it has alot of swap used but i rarely access that data |
| [06:25:38] | jroysdon: | but I've got vmware running, vmware, xine, and a few other misc items going |
| [06:26:17] | clever: | right now 21% of my ram is going to X |
| [06:27:22] | clever: | let me pastebin the output of top |
| [06:28:03] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . 9.png/_full_ |
| [06:28:06] | clever: | top is my laptop |
| [06:28:11] | clever: | bottom is the master backend |
| [06:28:29] | clever: | both sorting processes by resident memory usage |
| [06:28:56] | SHADOW__X1: | use xfce then |
| [06:29:05] | clever: | on which system? |
| [06:29:28] | SHADOW__X1: | the laptop |
| [06:29:33] | clever: | ah |
| [06:29:52] | SHADOW__X1: | wouldnt that help |
| [06:30:03] | Sulx: | lxde is nice |
| [06:30:43] | clever: | problem |
| [06:30:47] | clever: | Need to get 89.0MB of archives. |
| [06:30:47] | clever: | After unpacking 331MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| [06:30:54] | clever: | 216mb free on / |
| [06:31:05] | clever: | no way Need to get 89.0MB of archives. |
| [06:31:05] | clever: | After unpacking 331MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| [06:31:07] | clever: | oops |
| [06:31:17] | clever: | no way xubuntu-desktop is going to fit until i rip alot out |
| [06:31:21] | SHADOW__X1: | dude come on get more space |
| [06:31:35] | clever: | / is only 3gig |
| [06:31:43] | SHADOW__X1: | what |
| [06:31:44] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [06:31:46] | clever: | i stuck it into an old backup |
| [06:31:57] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [06:31:57] | clever: | i shrunk the ntfs and stuck a lvm PV on the drive |
| [06:32:03] | clever: | and a small /boot/ |
| [06:32:07] | clever: | root and swap are on lvm |
| [06:32:08] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [06:32:10] | mzb_d800: | well that has been an interesting experiment |
| [06:32:28] | clever: | mzb_d800: i set the whole thing up when running from nfsroot:P |
| [06:32:42] | mzb_d800: | not yours ;) ... mine :) |
| [06:32:44] | clever: | o |
| [06:32:50] | mzb_d800: | (I've not been watching) |
| [06:32:55] | clever: | i do have a 30gig fat partition on the drive |
| [06:32:58] | fryfrog: | finally get the ol' wife to let you in the back door? :p |
| [06:32:59] | clever: | but its 98% used |
| [06:33:01] | mzb_d800: | (fake)raid5, raw reads are 131MB/s regardless of block size |
| [06:33:08] | clever: | mzb_d800: nice |
| [06:33:19] | clever: | i just changed my system arround to put my swap on the 40mb/sec disk |
| [06:33:54] | clever: | 764951040 bytes (765 MB) copied, 22.8882 seconds, 33.4 MB/s |
| [06:33:58] | clever: | when under minor load |
| [06:34:23] | mzb_d800: | writes (to image file on ext3 fs) look to be all over the place (gkrellm) but always come out to ~77MB/s |
| [06:34:37] | mzb_d800: | (these were all 4GB test files) |
| [06:34:52] | clever: | i simply read my entire swap into /dev/null |
| [06:35:00] | mzb_d800: | (and all piped through pv for "accurate" measurement) |
| [06:35:23] | mzb_d800: | reads from the file on the ext3fs were 129MB/s regardless of block size |
| [06:35:51] | clever: | i might get 80mb/sec if i stripe over both busses at once |
| [06:35:57] | clever: | after replacing the 40line ide cable |
| [06:36:16] | mzb_d800: | in contrast, the same system using (fake)raid0 (nvidia dmraid) does reads of ~180MB/s (?) and 150MB/s (?) for reading from ntfs |
| [06:36:36] | clever: | all my ntfs access is 99% cpu usage |
| [06:36:42] | mzb_d800: | does that sound acceptable? I'm trying to decide whether to use raid0 or raid5 on this machine |
| [06:37:07] | clever: | i dont remember what the raid numbers stand for |
| [06:37:08] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm how many drives |
| [06:37:09] | mzb_d800: | (*cough* ... has to be running Vista most of the time unfortunately) |
| [06:37:21] | SHADOW__X1: | vista |
| [06:37:23] | mzb_d800: | raid0 is striped, 1=mirrored |
| [06:37:24] | SHADOW__X1: | ? |
| [06:37:26] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: I'd never use raid0, ever |
| [06:37:27] | mzb_d800: | work |
| [06:37:47] | SHADOW__X1: | i hope you have 2 quad cores oced to 5ghz and 4 4870s |
| [06:37:58] | mzb_d800: | I'm not worried about safety (that much) apart from the time it takes to restore a backup (note: from an eSATA drive) |
| [06:37:59] | SHADOW__X1: | and 32gb of ram |
| [06:38:00] | fryfrog: | how many drives, i assume 3 or more? |
| [06:38:09] | mzb_d800: | q9550 |
| [06:38:10] | SHADOW__X1: | then vista will be acceptable |
| [06:38:18] | mzb_d800: | 3x500 + 500eSATA |
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| [06:38:39] | mzb_d800: | (not my machine, has been purchased for a job) |
| [06:38:50] | fryfrog: | so the problem with 3x raid0 is that your chances of *total* data loss are 3x higher than that of a single drive |
| [06:38:52] | SHADOW__X1: | raid 5 is pretty good but all out speed raid0 |
| [06:38:56] | mzb_d800: | I actually have two of them here atm ;) |
| [06:39:14] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: yeah ... but brand new machine ... and daily (or more?) backups |
| [06:39:16] | fryfrog: | i'd probably raid1 a pair of them for the system drive |
| [06:39:25] | fryfrog: | and just use the 3rd for what ever |
| [06:39:33] | fryfrog: | course, it also depends on what you are doing |
| [06:39:36] | fryfrog: | i spose |
| [06:39:38] | mzb_d800: | I don't care if they | the machine dies in 12 mths |
| [06:39:46] | SHADOW__X1: | or raid 0 on 2 drives 1 drive local backup esata weekly backup |
| [06:39:48] | SHADOW__X1: | eh eh? |
| [06:40:21] | mzb_d800: | for me, raid0 is probably best. But raid5 *could* be a slight advantage if one of the drives dies |
| [06:40:44] | mzb_d800: | (I'm going to be do a *lot* of backups) |
| [06:41:24] | fryfrog: | i guess the question boils down to, with it in raid0 or raid5, will you notice the difference? |
| [06:41:33] | mzb_d800: | I'm guessing I'd be getting in the order of 210MB/s off raid0, kinda seems attractive compared to raid5 |
| [06:42:00] | SHADOW__X1: | can it benefit from that speed? |
| [06:42:04] | mzb_d800: | (possibly up to 240MB/s) |
| [06:42:10] | mzb_d800: | me or it? |
| [06:42:18] | SHADOW__X1: | whatever its gonna do |
| [06:42:33] | mzb_d800: | I'm going to be doing a lot of 3D development, and then scripting it ... so yes |
| [06:42:45] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm so then |
| [06:42:53] | mzb_d800: | dilemma |
| [06:42:55] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [06:43:02] | SHADOW__X1: | raid 0 with data part that backups to the other 50 |
| [06:43:04] | SHADOW__X1: | 500* |
| [06:43:06] | SHADOW__X1: | then external |
| [06:43:07] | fryfrog: | sounds like a compelling reason to raid0 it :) |
| [06:43:23] | fryfrog: | yeah, maybe 1x 500G as "system" drive then 2x500G raid0 for "data" |
| [06:43:27] | mzb_d800: | yeah, just trying to make sure I'm not getting greedy ;) |
| [06:43:46] | mzb_d800: | nah ... all data will be backed up |
| [06:43:56] | SHADOW__X1: | regularly? |
| [06:44:01] | fryfrog: | raid0 the whole thing it is then! |
| [06:44:03] | mzb_d800: | very |
| [06:44:03] | SHADOW__X1: | 3 drives in raid0 |
| [06:44:09] | SHADOW__X1: | :) |
| [06:44:12] | SHADOW__X1: | crazy speed |
| [06:44:12] | mzb_d800: | recreating the system would be time-consuming ... but doable |
| [06:44:21] | fryfrog: | just... you know, be ready to rebuild from scratch when it blows up in a month :/ |
| [06:44:28] | fryfrog: | i mean, it doesn't have to be a failed drive |
| [06:44:31] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... that's what I'd spec'd the system for in the first place |
| [06:44:41] | fryfrog: | a little glitch and... maybe you lose all your data :p |
| [06:44:43] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [06:44:56] | mzb_d800: | that was the purpose of the eSATA drive |
| [06:45:00] | SHADOW__X1: | mirror the original install |
| [06:45:08] | mzb_d800: | Ximage |
| [06:45:08] | SHADOW__X1: | to drive |
| [06:45:20] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [06:45:28] | mzb_d800: | although I'm starting to think I should get another 2 or 3 1TB eSATA drives |
| [06:45:46] | mzb_d800: | (*cough* get the boss to pay for ..., I mean;) |
| [06:46:04] | SHADOW__X1: | of course |
| [06:46:07] | mzb_d800: | just so I can rotate them (weekly) say |
| [06:46:21] | SHADOW__X1: | or |
| [06:46:25] | mzb_d800: | (might come in handy for something else when they're not being used;)) |
| [06:46:28] | SHADOW__X1: | raid 5 external storage :D |
| [06:46:32] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [06:46:34] | mzb_d800: | nah |
| [06:46:44] | mzb_d800: | machine has 6 SATA ports |
| [06:46:46] | mzb_d800: | 2 for optical |
| [06:46:51] | mzb_d800: | 3 for internal |
| [06:46:53] | SHADOW__X1: | sas it |
| [06:46:55] | mzb_d800: | 1 for external |
| [06:47:00] | mzb_d800: | err |
| [06:47:09] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [06:47:33] | mzb_d800: | cheaper to buy eSATA drives as they are ... although a raid5 nas might be an idea |
| [06:47:38] | mzb_d800: | 3x1TB |
| [06:47:45] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [06:48:03] | SHADOW__X1: | freenas possible? |
| [06:48:08] | mzb_d800: | mind you, 1TB eSATA I think are down to ~au$200, so that's a good start |
| [06:48:14] | mzb_d800: | not sure about freenas |
| [06:48:31] | mzb_d800: | would depend on machine/budget/boss's humour on the day |
| [06:49:05] | mzb_d800: | ps: I'm not getting paid (*cough*) for this yet |
| [06:49:33] | SHADOW__X1: | do you get to keep the system afterward |
| [06:49:35] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [06:49:40] | mzb_d800: | hope not |
| [06:49:44] | mzb_d800: | let's just say it's a complicated deal where I build him something online (5 yrs!) and he builds me a house :) |
| [06:49:55] | mzb_d800: | (which I live in while I'm doing the job) |
| [06:50:02] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [06:50:03] | SHADOW__X1: | interestig |
| [06:50:06] | mzb_d800: | will be nice if it comes off (cross fingers) |
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| [06:51:00] | mzb_d800: | still means I'm on $0 income (ie: nothing's changed for years) |
| [06:51:01] | bunder: | my cable company changed their lineup yesterday and my channel list hasn't updated yet... if i edit the channel list in mythweb, do i have to edit both channel numbers? |
| [06:51:09] | mzb_d800: | but we'll see |
| [06:51:24] | xris: | both numbers? |
| [06:51:38] | bunder: | channum and freqid |
| [06:52:08] | xris: | probably wouldn't hurt. where do you get your channel data from? |
| [06:52:17] | bunder: | their website |
| [06:52:29] | bunder: | (my cable comp) |
| [06:52:33] | mzb_d800: | I might see if I can squeeze some 750GB drives out of him to put into a dual xeon mythserver (that should be landing here soon) |
| [06:53:05] | mzb_d800: | anyway ... thanks for your help guys ... better start getting ready for a raid0 test |
| [06:54:28] | mzb_d800: | pps: fyi contract is still wip ... so all up in the air. |
| [06:56:00] | SHADOW__X1: | wip? |
| [06:56:12] | xris: | bunder: you don't use xmltv of schedules direct, etc? |
| [06:56:18] | mzb_d800: | work in progress |
| [06:56:26] | SHADOW__X1: | ah |
| [06:56:27] | mzb_d800: | ppps: Dell Support actually *recommend* doing raid0 on 3 drives rather than raid5! heh |
| [06:56:53] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm surprised dell support knew what that meant |
| [06:56:53] | fryfrog: | ahahha |
| [06:56:57] | fryfrog: | me too |
| [06:56:59] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [06:57:08] | fryfrog: | are they selling backup solutions? :p |
| [06:57:26] | mzb_d800: | but as you'd expect, they stuffed the order (again) and sent Vista installed on a single drive, with the other two in raid0 (doing nothing) |
| [06:57:31] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [06:57:51] | SHADOW__X1: | its dell |
| [06:57:53] | SHADOW__X1: | come on |
| [06:58:04] | mzb_d800: | err ... "Sorry, we're fresh out of eSATA drives at the moment. We can put one on order for you and you can have it in six weeks!" |
| [06:58:06] | xris: | who can't even tell you what brand hard drive you'll get |
| [06:58:20] | mzb_d800: | first machine had 3x250 seagates |
| [06:58:41] | mzb_d800: | this one is 3x500 and they seem to be WD |
| [06:58:42] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as an eSATA drive |
| [06:58:51] | wagnerrp: | just eSATA enclosures |
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| [06:59:18] | mzb_d800: | ok, eSATA/firewire/usb2 enclosure with SATA drive in it (WD MyBook?) |
| [06:59:25] | mzb_d800: | you got the idea, though |
| [07:00:05] | mzb_d800: | (give me a break, I'm betting older every day and my fingers hurt;)) |
| [07:00:19] | mzb_d800: | bbl ... time to try raid0 |
| [07:04:16] | bunder: | xris: i do, but the channel listing hasn't updated yet |
| [07:04:24] | bunder: | editing them seems to have worked |
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| [07:05:15] | SHADOW__X1: | how do i restart samba |
| [07:05:24] | xris: | sudo service smb restart |
| [07:05:34] | wagnerrp: | /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| [07:05:34] | mzb_d800: | or /etc/init.d/samba restart ? |
| [07:05:40] | wagnerrp: | /usr/local/etc/rc.d/samba restart |
| [07:05:44] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [07:05:44] | ** xris goes to sleep now. ** | |
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| [07:05:49] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [07:06:20] | SHADOW__X1: | thanks |
| [07:06:27] | SHADOW__X1: | i thought it was with init.d |
| [07:08:59] | SHADOW__X1: | thaks now back filling recordigs |
| [07:09:11] | SHADOW__X1: | atleast constant 20MB/sec |
| [07:09:22] | SHADOW__X1: | hey clever this is usb 2.0 over samba |
| [07:09:24] | SHADOW__X1: | :D |
| [07:09:45] | SHADOW__X1: | also ya know GB/sec net helps |
| [07:11:04] | clever: | SHADOW__X1: i shared a usb 2.0 hdd enclosure thru nbd over 100mbit ethernet |
| [07:11:09] | clever: | thru 1 or 2 switches |
| [07:11:19] | clever: | raw block layer was over the network |
| [07:11:30] | clever: | i dont remember the speed but it was still faster then usb 1.0 |
| [07:11:50] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... might even be tempting to go to a PCIe RAID card *except* that I don't think I've got any x8 or x16 PCIe slots left (dual nv9800 sli) *and* I still probably wouldn't get the speed. |
| [07:11:50] | SHADOW__X1: | i can run faster than usb 1.0 |
| [07:12:48] | SHADOW__X1: | i think depending on setup a hardware raid 5 over pci x8 i believe gives you about 150MB/sec write |
| [07:12:51] | SHADOW__X1: | maybe i am mistaken |
| [07:13:06] | SHADOW__X1: | but i thiought thats what my buddys system does |
| [07:13:14] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [07:13:22] | mzb_d800: | hanks |
| [07:13:24] | mzb_d800: | thanks |
| [07:13:27] | SHADOW__X1: | i can test right now |
| [07:13:47] | mzb_d800: | might be an idea: http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/rr2300.htm |
| [07:13:52] | mzb_d800: | seems cheap enough |
| [07:14:12] | mzb_d800: | SHADOW__X1: yeah, that'd be great if you've got the time |
| [07:14:18] | SHADOW__X1: | sure |
| [07:14:31] | SHADOW__X1: | he has an arecca if i am not mistaken |
| [07:15:16] | clever: | odd |
| [07:15:20] | clever: | nbd isnt working today |
| [07:15:44] | SHADOW__X1: | well so far using hdtune its at 175MB/sec |
| [07:16:24] | SHADOW__X1: | but thats read not write |
| [07:16:32] | mzb_d800: | how many drives? |
| [07:16:38] | SHADOW__X1: | do you know of a windows tool that benchmarks write |
| [07:16:42] | SHADOW__X1: | 4 750s |
| [07:16:45] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [07:16:46] | SHADOW__X1: | i believe hitachi |
| [07:16:47] | mzb_d800: | 4 |
| [07:16:50] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
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| [07:19:36] | mzb_d800: | hmm areca are 4x the price and do x8 PCIe |
| [07:20:55] | mzb_d800: | oh wait, there is one more large PCIe (x8?) left in the machine |
| [07:20:58] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
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| [07:21:50] | SHADOW__X1: | i saw some on ebay for 250 but dont know if you can buy from there |
| [07:23:13] | SHADOW__X1: | alright found a prgram to write to hd |
| [07:23:23] | SHADOW__X1: | what block size and how big of a file to create |
| [07:23:40] | wagnerrp: | for? |
| [07:23:52] | SHADOW__X1: | for mzb_d800 to test the speed of w rite |
| [07:24:14] | mzb_d800: | 4k for ntfs |
| [07:24:34] | SHADOW__X1: | 4KB? |
| [07:24:40] | mzb_d800: | but not sure how a raid controller handles that |
| [07:24:51] | SHADOW__X1: | the card he has has 256mb cache |
| [07:25:20] | mzb_d800: | ok, so 4k, with a 4GB test file? |
| [07:25:26] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm i dont know how truthfull this is |
| [07:25:32] | SHADOW__X1: | alright 4k seems small |
| [07:25:58] | mzb_d800: | start with 4k and see how you go |
| [07:26:50] | SHADOW__X1: | the program i found is diskbench and wont let me do over 1000 block which at 4KB each is nothing |
| [07:27:59] | SHADOW__X1: | 16MB block size * 240 blocks roughly 3.75 gb sound good |
| [07:27:59] | SHADOW__X1: | ? |
| [07:28:14] | Dagmar: | Jesus H Christ |
| [07:28:37] | Dagmar: | I don't know how many of you follow Bugtraq, but seriously I've got a big "WTF" for this BIND weakness |
| [07:28:38] | SHADOW__X1: | wha |
| [07:29:01] | Dagmar: | I thought the issue of non-sequitir DNS responses was dead and freakin' gone like 8 years ago |
| [07:29:03] | wagnerrp: | the cache poisoning stuff? |
| [07:29:08] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [07:29:25] | Dagmar: | I'm seein' this thing on Slashdot which describes a really OLD method of cache poisoning |
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| [07:29:59] | Dagmar: | Like, the fact that the query tokens aren't very random (or not nearly random enough) is one thing, but accepting SOA records for things unrelated to the query should have been killed off as a problem LONG ago |
| [07:30:24] | Dagmar: | Maybe I need to pull a DJB and just write a goddamn name server |
| [07:30:26] | SHADOW__X1: | so mzb_d800 doing 16mb block size 240 blocks = 7.75 GB that was 106MB/sec |
| [07:30:52] | Dagmar: | Shadow: You should really look into bonnie++ |
| [07:31:08] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... not *that* great is it ... any better with 4k blocks/ |
| [07:31:10] | clever: | SHADOW__X1: yeah that does alot of tests at once but the output can be a bit confusing at first |
| [07:31:17] | Dagmar: | The only thing using really large block sizes is going to accomplish is testing throughput changes due to block sizes |
| [07:31:19] | wagnerrp: | oddly, bonnie++ gives me better transfer rates than dd |
| [07:31:24] | clever: | Dagmar: also bonnie wouldnt have helped me find my 40 line cable |
| [07:31:33] | mzb_d800: | wagnerrp: block size |
| [07:31:34] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: That's probably because bonnie++ is a lot more aggressive. |
| [07:31:39] | clever: | bonnie tests the filesystem which is randomly spread over both cables |
| [07:31:42] | Dagmar: | dd wasn't meant for speed. It was meant for simplicity |
| [07:31:43] | mzb_d800: | try md5sum ;) |
| [07:31:50] | clever: | my dd tests let me check each drive bypassing the lvm |
| [07:31:59] | Dagmar: | clever: Seriously, dude, even an A+ cert would have told you that one |
| [07:32:03] | clever: | yeah |
| [07:32:14] | clever: | its a very simple thing |
| [07:32:22] | Dagmar: | You probably have messages in your dmesg buffer to the effect of "DMA disabled — too many errors" |
| [07:32:38] | Dagmar: | Just be glad the kernel is more particular about catching those now |
| [07:32:40] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [07:33:01] | Dagmar: | Back in say, 98-99-ish you'd have been looking at "MASSIVE DISK CORRUPTION" straight out of the hdparm manpage |
| [07:33:02] | clever: | Dagmar: i thought the 80 was just for Udma? |
| [07:33:13] | wagnerrp: | i used to get warnings in my bios when i used a 40-pin cable |
| [07:33:14] | Virindi: | They teach real information in A+? I thought it was just a class on how to use Word... |
| [07:33:16] | clever: | Dagmar: that warning is still there for some settings:P |
| [07:33:19] | Dagmar: | clever: The 80 pin cables *are* fine for UDMA transfers |
| [07:33:25] | SHADOW__X1: | Dagmar: it doesnt seem like bonnie is for windows |
| [07:33:26] | Dagmar: | 40 pin cables, very much not so |
| [07:33:27] | clever: | Dagmar: yes thats what i mean |
| [07:33:33] | clever: | i mean 40pin for normal dma |
| [07:33:35] | wagnerrp: | along the lines of, 'you dumb shit, stop using 40-pin cables for hard drives' |
| [07:33:46] | Dagmar: | SHADOW__X1: Ahh... well it *could* be for Windows if you had Cygwin and some reasonable skill with it |
| [07:33:50] | clever: | Dagmar: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/tower |
| [07:34:01] | clever: | Dagmar: you can see how i have the microwave rolled up against the tower of towers |
| [07:34:08] | Dagmar: | Frankly tho I think it would just be more toruble than it's worth |
| [07:34:10] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm not native support but i get your d rift |
| [07:34:20] | wagnerrp: | you seem to be proud of that debacle |
| [07:34:29] | Dagmar: | There's a few benchmarking programs specifically *for* windows |
| [07:34:49] | Dagmar: | ...but it's been my experience that Windows filesystem performance is generally lackluster |
| [07:34:50] | wagnerrp: | hdtach comes to mind |
| [07:35:05] | SHADOW__X1: | ill try hdtach |
| [07:35:21] | clever: | Dagmar: yeah when i last used ntfs from linux i was lagged down by 90% cpu usage |
| [07:35:26] | Dagmar: | Windows Networking performance has definitely proven itself immune to any kind of rational troubleshooting that I know of |
| [07:35:28] | clever: | something horidly wrong with the driver |
| [07:36:10] | Dagmar: | Like, how many times have you done a filecopy in Windows across the network and it's come up and said "573 minutes remaining" or some other absurdly long time for copying 20Mb over 10base-T |
| [07:36:22] | Virindi: | apparently hdparm works on windows too |
| [07:36:32] | Dagmar: | Frankly I think they screw up network performance for 98/XP Home on purpose |
| [07:36:42] | Dagmar: | ...just to make NT and Pro look more attractive |
| [07:36:46] | clever: | lol |
| [07:37:07] | wagnerrp: | XP Pro looks more attractive by the mere fact that youre not limited to 'simple file sharing' |
| [07:37:16] | Dagmar: | I remember an argument I had with a LUG user here once |
| [07:37:25] | Dagmar: | Blah blah samba isn't as fast as NT |
| [07:37:46] | Dagmar: | I sent him back a screenshot of me doing a file transfer using SMB and Samba only that was at wire speed for 10base-T |
| [07:38:12] | Dagmar: | I was looking at pretty close to actual disk throughput speeds for 100base-T once I upgraded to that |
| [07:38:23] | Dagmar: | I didnt' do *any* "tweaking" of Samba's parameters at all |
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| [07:38:38] | clever: | 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 78.2722 seconds, 13.4 MB/s |
| [07:38:51] | clever: | usb 2.0 enclosure i beleive with an old harddrive in it |
| [07:38:51] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Well, the "simple file sharing" thing *is* just an arbitrary limit they put in |
| [07:38:52] | SHADOW__X1: | mzb_d800: sequential read using hdtach was 180MB/sec |
| [07:39:33] | Dagmar: | clever: Yeah I think that 13.4Mb/s is close enough to 16Mb/s that it's likely that drive is using PIO mode |
| [07:39:35] | mzb_d800: | ok ... thanks for that |
| [07:39:42] | SHADOW__X1: | mhm |
| [07:39:58] | mzb_d800: | looks like I'll have to go for raid0 with external (something) backup |
| [07:39:59] | clever: | Dagmar: i think the ide ribbon in the enclosure may also be 40 |
| [07:40:07] | clever: | but im not shure how you would do dma with a usb enclosure |
| [07:40:19] | Dagmar: | Well, USB 2.0 maxes out at 40MB/s |
| [07:40:25] | sid3windr: | Dagmar: tsk – everyone's giving the good example but you start speaking megabits! :p |
| [07:40:36] | clever: | and 40 is about what im getting from my 80 line ide cables |
| [07:40:51] | Dagmar: | ...but since it's CPU-driven there's a lot of tweaking that can go on to make it faster, and a million things that can make it slower, but overall it doesn't get *too* abysmal and works "well enough" out of the box that not too many people get that upset abou tit |
| [07:40:52] | clever: | wait wati |
| [07:40:53] | clever: | i forgot |
| [07:41:00] | clever: | that 13.4mb/sec isnt the external drive:P |
| [07:41:02] | clever: | thats the internal one |
| [07:41:15] | mzb_d800: | I'd be surprised if you got over 30MB/s for USB2 |
| [07:41:18] | Dagmar: | sid3windr: Actually, I went with the "idiot nomenclature" and put the capital B for "bytes" |
| [07:41:39] | sid3windr: | that is correct |
| [07:41:43] | sid3windr: | except you didn't |
| [07:41:50] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [07:41:53] | Dagmar: | mzb is right, you really have to tweak USB hard to get max throughput out of it, especially when it comes to the disks most enclosures will have in them |
| [07:42:07] | Dagmar: | "Well, USB 2.0 maxes out at 40MB/s" <-- that's a capital B |
| [07:42:15] | sid3windr: | yes, I was talking about higher up ;) |
| [07:42:20] | mzb_d800: | I didn't say I tweaked anything :) |
| [07:42:21] | clever: | Dagmar: i think my usb enclosure doesnt work on a couple of my drives |
| [07:42:31] | clever: | its a weird error |
| [07:42:36] | Dagmar: | clever: Non-powered enclosure? Like, runs off USB power only, right? |
| [07:42:43] | clever: | takes 120 thru its own suply |
| [07:42:48] | clever: | which gives the enclosure 5 and 12 |
| [07:42:49] | sid3windr: | do those exist except 2.5" ? |
| [07:42:56] | Dagmar: | sid3windr: Generally no |
| [07:42:59] | clever: | when i read blocks |
| [07:43:03] | clever: | i get 'random' data |
| [07:43:11] | clever: | after reading several mb and reading over it |
| [07:43:14] | Dagmar: | ...because 5400rpm drives are about as "fast spinny" as you can put in them for the power they'll get off a USB bus |
| [07:43:17] | clever: | i noticed i was getting peices of mysql |
| [07:43:23] | clever: | data that never touched the drive |
| [07:43:33] | clever: | i suspect the kernel is alocating chunks of ram |
| [07:43:36] | Dagmar: | clever: Okay, that's just "broke" then |
| [07:43:36] | clever: | failing the read |
| [07:43:45] | clever: | then throwing uninitialized data at me without any error |
| [07:43:56] | Dagmar: | I just bought a 20Gb in an external chassis from someone this evening for $20 |
| [07:44:06] | clever: | but i only get that when using certain drives in the enclosure |
| [07:44:11] | zand is now known as xand | |
| [07:44:14] | clever: | and i havent dared write to the drive |
| [07:44:28] | Dagmar: | clever: well, it can't "ruin" the drive at least in theory |
| [07:44:40] | clever: | it may write random data back:P |
| [07:44:47] | clever: | trashing whatever i have on it |
| [07:44:50] | Dagmar: | Yep. That it could definitely do |
| [07:44:57] | Dagmar: | There's a lot of crap USB controllers out there |
| [07:44:57] | clever: | linux doesnt even see a valid partition table |
| [07:45:03] | clever: | because it gets random garbage out of it |
| [07:45:07] | clever: | 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 55.9854 seconds, 18.7 MB/s |
| [07:45:11] | clever: | thats the usb enclosure |
| [07:45:17] | clever: | slightly faster |
| [07:45:21] | clever: | Bus 004 Device 012: ID 55aa:2b00 OnSpec Electronic, Inc. |
| [07:45:38] | clever: | 02:0b.2 USB Controller: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 (rev 04) |
| [07:46:10] | Dagmar: | clever: I suppose there's no point in saying "for the love of god disable the UB driver" since if that were engaged you'd see WAY less throughput |
| [07:46:27] | clever: | UB? |
| [07:46:29] | Dagmar: | It might be worth looking into which OHCI/EHCI driver you're using |
| [07:46:31] | SHADOW__X1: | where is the mysql password kept in the txt |
| [07:46:40] | Dagmar: | Yeah, there's a "legacy/compatibility" driver for USB in the kernel |
| [07:46:46] | clever: | ahh |
| [07:46:51] | Dagmar: | It's the ub driver. |
| [07:46:53] | clever: | i also have onboard usb 1.0 ports |
| [07:47:07] | clever: | usbcore 138632 7 usb_storage,libusual,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
| [07:47:14] | Dagmar: | There was a Slackware release where the ub driver somehow was made the default and it gave everyone grief |
| [07:47:21] | clever: | im guessing one of those modules is for 1.0 support |
| [07:47:32] | Dagmar: | Whaaaa... |
| [07:47:39] | Dagmar: | Far as I know one of those three shouldnt' be there |
| [07:47:58] | Dagmar: | If you read up in Wikipedia about OHCI, UCHI, and EHCI it should become pretty transparent which one you can leave out |
| [07:48:11] | clever: | yeah |
| [07:48:21] | Dagmar: | One is only for certain chipsets |
| [07:48:25] | Dagmar: | ...and the other one is for the rest. |
| [07:48:32] | Dagmar: | I just can't remember offhand which it is |
| [07:49:43] | clever: | Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/1081606 lsusb lspci and part of lsmod |
| [07:50:00] | clever: | i appear to have 4 usb cards on the pci bus |
| [07:50:39] | Dagmar: | Oh no, that's not what that actually means |
| [07:50:41] | Dagmar: | It's normal tho |
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| [07:50:51] | clever: | i have a pci 2.0 card |
| [07:50:54] | clever: | and onboard ports |
| [07:51:05] | clever: | and when i first was using it the mouse would crash on the 2.0 card |
| [07:51:15] | clever: | so i had to put the mouse on 1.0 and hdd on 2.0 |
| [07:52:10] | Dagmar: | clever: http://pastebin.ca/1081609 |
| [07:52:23] | Dagmar: | Note that sometimes using a USB 1.x device will tank speeds for the entire bus |
| [07:52:26] | clever: | 2.0 HCD implementation is called the Enhanced Host Controller Interface (EHCI) |
| [07:52:48] | Dagmar: | ...and there's more than a few older boards out ther that'll have some ports that are USB 1.1 *only* |
| [07:52:52] | clever: | the hdd enclosure is going right into the card and i think the only other device is an empty 20foot cord |
| [07:53:05] | clever: | i'll go unplug the 20foot noise antena:P |
| [07:53:11] | Dagmar: | Not a bad idea |
| [07:53:30] | Dagmar: | You can help the noise issue a bit by making sure you have a *good* ground on the wall socket |
| [07:54:01] | clever: | only 3 things now on the computer |
| [07:54:10] | clever: | usb(direct to hdd) power ethernet |
| [07:54:15] | Dagmar: | By the way, in response to the "four devices" issue, here's lspci from the *new* board I got http://pastebin.ca/1081609 |
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| [07:54:35] | clever: | that paste of '4 devices' is actualy 2 |
| [07:54:48] | clever: | theres some onboard usb |
| [07:55:00] | clever: | ehci sounds like the 2.0 stuff |
| [07:55:04] | Dagmar: | It is |
| [07:55:08] | Dagmar: | EHCI is only 2.0 |
| [07:55:19] | clever: | so if i rmmod everything else i may gain speed |
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| [07:55:44] | Dagmar: | Ah, here's something |
| [07:55:45] | Dagmar: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_controller_interface |
| [07:56:18] | clever: | 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 56.1666 seconds, 18.7 MB/s |
| [07:56:27] | clever: | 1 second slower:P |
| [07:56:36] | clever: | 55.9854 to 56.1666 |
| [07:56:46] | clever: | just by removing the 20foot long usb cord that wasnt used |
| [07:57:01] | Dagmar: | That's more than likely a CPU throttling issue |
| [07:57:06] | clever: | yeah |
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| [07:57:25] | clever: | rmmod ohci_hcd |
| [07:57:34] | Dagmar: | Remember, the sole "material" advantage Firewire has over USB is that Firewire controllers do all the work |
| [07:57:40] | Dagmar: | For USB, your CPU has to help out |
| [07:57:52] | Dagmar: | If your CPU is overtaxed or not up to snuff, you'll get substandard USB throughput |
| [07:57:52] | clever: | yeah ive heard that firewire lets the device dma directly into ram |
| [07:58:07] | clever: | but its also a security risk because the device can pick what adr to dma into |
| [07:58:19] | Dagmar: | Yeah I used to barb Apple users by telling them they're using Firewire because their CPU was cheap |
| [07:58:28] | clever: | i could ram in a special 'device'(computer) to start raping your ram and bypassing the security |
| [07:58:32] | Dagmar: | clever: That's actually true. |
| [07:58:42] | clever: | 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 56.1518 seconds, 18.7 MB/s |
| [07:58:45] | Dagmar: | It got a lot of people very upset last fall when they figured it out |
| [07:58:51] | clever: | 0.01 seconds slower |
| [07:59:14] | Dagmar: | You can jack a firewire cable into a machine and just flat out compromise most machines, IF you're leet enough to write your own firewire stuff |
| [07:59:26] | clever: | rmmod uhci_hcd |
| [07:59:28] | Dagmar: | I've not seen a "canned" tool for it, but there's maybe something in metasploit by now |
| [07:59:39] | clever: | exactly |
| [08:00:10] | Dagmar: | Mind you, poking around in RAM without umm... serious access to the allocation maps is pretty dodgy |
| [08:00:18] | clever: | yeah |
| [08:00:32] | clever: | but the kernel itself must have atleast 1 pointer to those at some hard coded location |
| [08:00:35] | Dagmar: | Rather like using something akin to peek() was on certain older systems I used to work with |
| [08:00:39] | clever: | so it can find its own allocation maps |
| [08:00:49] | Dagmar: | You *could*, if you were patient, keep reading bits of memory until you found where the passwords were |
| [08:00:56] | clever: | yeah |
| [08:00:57] | Dagmar: | ...but you couldn't really guarantee that would still be there if you looked again |
| [08:01:06] | clever: | or just clone the entire ram in 30 seconds |
| [08:01:06] | Dagmar: | ...or that it would even stay there while you were reading it |
| [08:01:09] | clever: | then take it home with you |
| [08:01:20] | Dagmar: | It wouldn't eb a clean image |
| [08:01:28] | clever: | and check every 4 byte combination(in a row) for working passwords |
| [08:01:35] | clever: | yeah since the system would be changing as you copy |
| [08:01:39] | Dagmar: | 4 byte? |
| [08:01:46] | clever: | just as an example |
| [08:02:03] | clever: | step 1 would take the 3 bytes starting from 0 and check if its the right pw |
| [08:02:07] | clever: | then the 3 bytes from byte 1 |
| [08:02:12] | clever: | and keep shifting thru |
| [08:02:17] | clever: | then repeat with 4 bytes |
| [08:02:27] | Dagmar: | Who uses 4 bytes for passwordS? |
| [08:02:28] | clever: | and keep going until it find some string which unlocks the account |
| [08:02:40] | clever: | just a starting point for the brute forcing |
| [08:02:58] | Dagmar: | The systems I was meddling with just kept it all in plaintext |
| [08:03:00] | clever: | one of the pw systems i actualy put some effort into cracking |
| [08:03:04] | clever: | 64 characters |
| [08:03:09] | clever: | a-zA-Z0–9 |
| [08:03:42] | Dagmar: | Ah... here http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/c122.html |
| [08:03:42] | clever: | i made a program to brute force the algo by trying every posible input until i found a 'correct' one |
| [08:03:50] | Dagmar: | That tells which chipsets it's appropriate to have OHCI loaded on |
| [08:03:52] | clever: | 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 56.0275 seconds, 18.7 MB/s |
| [08:04:04] | clever: | (after removing uhci_hcd) |
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| [08:04:29] | clever: | rmmod usbhid |
| [08:04:36] | clever: | wasnt expecting that to come out |
| [08:04:48] | clever: | but now that i think of it, humman interface driver |
| [08:04:58] | Dagmar: | If you were using a USB keybard, that would be the last thing you'd be doing with it. ;) |
| [08:04:59] | clever: | none of those connected |
| [08:05:10] | clever: | as i said before, only 3 things connected to it |
| [08:05:15] | clever: | usb hdd, ethernet, power |
| [08:05:25] | clever: | no monitor/mouse/keyboard |
| [08:05:30] | clever: | 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 55.8212 seconds, 18.8 MB/s |
| [08:05:50] | clever: | ERROR: Module libusual is in use by usb_storage |
| [08:05:55] | clever: | finaly it puts up a fight:P |
| [08:05:56] | Dagmar: | Check /proc/interrupts |
| [08:06:12] | clever: | 11: 608524754 XT-PIC-XT ehci_hcd:usb4, eth0 |
| [08:06:21] | Dagmar: | There were many boards in the 1997–2002 range that |
| [08:06:21] | Dagmar: | ahhh |
| [08:06:24] | Dagmar: | That's your problem then |
| [08:06:39] | Dagmar: | Sharing IRQs "works" but it's not very useful most of the time |
| [08:06:44] | clever: | ethernet is onboard |
| [08:06:44] | clever: | 00:11.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 24) |
| [08:07:01] | Dagmar: | I have an old motherboard here with a retarded ACPI implementation that puts the USB bus and the AGP port on the same IRQ |
| [08:07:08] | clever: | and the irq is based on the pci slot i use |
| [08:07:15] | Dagmar: | ...which results in lackluster USB performance, and frame rates that are absolutely *shit* |
| [08:07:16] | clever: | ive had to dig into irq routing before |
| [08:07:36] | clever: | theres 4 irq lines to every pci slot |
| [08:07:40] | clever: | and they rotate |
| [08:07:42] | Dagmar: | clever: You should be abel to reorder that in the BIOS, especially if it uses the "A, B, C, D" for designating IRQs |
| [08:07:48] | clever: | so its like a b c d to slot 1 |
| [08:07:52] | clever: | then b c d a to slot 2 |
| [08:07:57] | clever: | then c d a b to slow 3 |
| [08:08:06] | Dagmar: | ...although it's entirely possible that the USB controller shares the IRQ line itself |
| [08:08:11] | clever: | yes |
| [08:08:17] | Dagmar: | That IRQ sharing thing really pissed me off when I was playing Dark Ages of Camelot |
| [08:08:18] | clever: | but if i move to the next pci slot |
| [08:08:24] | clever: | i rotate the 4 irq lines |
| [08:08:24] | Dagmar: | I got a USB mouse and had to sell it to someone else. |
| [08:08:28] | clever: | and wind up using the next one |
| [08:08:37] | Dagmar: | JUST plugging it in made the game hit a max of 9fps |
| [08:08:40] | clever: | lol |
| [08:09:09] | clever: | the problems ive had with irq before |
| [08:09:10] | clever: | on a laptop |
| [08:09:18] | clever: | the irq routing tables in the bios where missing |
| [08:09:26] | Dagmar: | Yay for broken ACPI |
| [08:09:29] | clever: | so it was imposible to autodetect the irq# for the cardbus slot |
| [08:09:38] | clever: | so it fell back to running in a 16bit pcmcia mode |
| [08:09:44] | Dagmar: | Yep. I've seen that before. |
| [08:09:45] | clever: | which refused to work with my wifi card |
| [08:09:50] | clever: | i read the drivers |
| [08:10:03] | clever: | when it fell back, it set the irq handler to run on a timer |
| [08:10:23] | clever: | and the irq handler was made to be able to share an irq so it was harmless to run it when nothing happened |
| [08:10:29] | Dagmar: | For awhile I thought it was a Linux problem, and then I finally realize that no, that wasn't the case, the chipsets were just crap and the Windows driver was doing workarounds for it |
| [08:10:35] | clever: | i then made the same hack to my wifi driver |
| [08:10:43] | clever: | so it would poll the wifi card for events |
| [08:11:01] | clever: | then iwconfig and lspci worked normaly and i could use the card 'normaly' |
| [08:11:14] | Dagmar: | clever: Except you were burning CPU for events that never happened |
| [08:11:25] | clever: | but the instant i brought the card up with 'ip link set wlan0 up' |
| [08:11:25] | Dagmar: | ...which for a laptop is awful |
| [08:11:27] | clever: | the system hardlocked |
| [08:11:32] | Dagmar: | Yowza |
| [08:11:41] | clever: | not even sysrq would wake it |
| [08:11:58] | clever: | i suspect it was wating for an irq to event from the card |
| [08:12:00] | clever: | and blocking the timers |
| [08:12:16] | Dagmar: | I'd suspect it was waiting for the IRQ to go back down |
| [08:12:31] | clever: | and there was no actual irq for it to ever receive |
| [08:12:53] | Dagmar: | If you could get that USB controller to use say, IRQ 11 and the NIC to use IRQ 10 you'd probably see better throughput |
| [08:12:58] | clever: | i also tried hacking it to force it into thinking it was irq X but every irq i tried just didnt work |
| [08:13:26] | Dagmar: | clever: Nah, if that's the problem it sounds like, teh only fix was actually to load an interrupt table into the thing |
| [08:13:40] | clever: | i was just guessing at what the table should be |
| [08:13:50] | clever: | i also didnt have a proper psu for that laptop |
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| [08:13:55] | clever: | so i was sticking a paperclip into the side |
| [08:14:04] | clever: | with jumper wires to an 18v suply |
| [08:14:23] | Dagmar: | Ya like fire do ya? |
| [08:14:25] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [08:14:26] | clever: | i got tired of it so i soldered some speaker wire directly to the motherboard right where the connector was soldered on |
| [08:14:38] | clever: | then i left that hanging out the floppy bar |
| [08:14:39] | clever: | bay* |
| [08:14:53] | clever: | had a nice ammount of slack and a place to tuck the spare cord |
| [08:14:59] | clever: | worked great for a few days |
| [08:15:11] | clever: | then the system just up and went black while i was typing |
| [08:15:18] | clever: | it has never shown any sign of life since |
| [08:15:24] | clever: | not even the batery charging led:P |
| [08:15:50] | Dagmar: | Yeah well, here's a good question... was the thing *supposed* to take 18v there? |
| [08:15:58] | Dagmar: | ...and were you feeding it the right *amount* of power? |
| [08:16:08] | clever: | it said something in that area on the side right by the connector |
| [08:16:20] | clever: | and it ran just fine from the raw '12v' in a car when running! |
| [08:16:25] | Dagmar: | Like, you can run those little 12V racing cars off 18V, and they'll go faster... for awhile |
| [08:16:31] | clever: | it was a military laptop:P |
| [08:16:49] | clever: | cf-25 toughbook |
| [08:17:00] | clever: | i think it said 18.1v on the side |
| [08:17:06] | Dagmar: | ...but after awhile, the parts that are supposed to be regulating that that are now working extra hard becuase the power coming in isn't right, will give up the ghost and die |
| [08:17:22] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but you have to be feeding it the right amount of amperes, or at least close to it |
| [08:17:37] | Dagmar: | The magic smoke just leaks out slowly |
| [08:17:48] | clever: | ive ran it on 12v also |
| [08:17:53] | clever: | the low voltage was enough to charge |
| [08:17:59] | clever: | but at that lower voltage |
| [08:17:59] | SHADOW__X1: | oh magic smoke how we love/hate t hee |
| [08:18:07] | clever: | the batery actualy ran down when using it(even on charge) |
| [08:18:12] | Dagmar: | Yeah, it's likely to run "for awhile" without the exact power it was designed for |
| [08:18:17] | clever: | and near 40% batery the hdd would spew bad sectors |
| [08:18:23] | clever: | for some reason allways in gcc |
| [08:18:27] | clever: | causing gcc to segfault |
| [08:19:19] | clever: | there |
| [08:19:23] | clever: | ran exit 20 times |
| [08:19:27] | clever: | now to shut that media system off |
| [08:19:44] | clever: | and umount all the nfs's |
| [08:19:44] | Dagmar: | THat could just as easily have been the RAM going limp on you |
| [08:20:06] | clever: | it sounded alot more like bad sectors from the way the hdd seeked |
| [08:20:15] | clever: | posibly the hdd control going a little nuts from low power |
| [08:20:25] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but realize that *where* the hard drive looks is controlled by the allocation map of the filesystem |
| [08:20:39] | Dagmar: | ...and if that gets mangled, it's going to fail horrifyingly |
| [08:21:07] | Dagmar: | I've had dodgy RAM before that could be written to and read from just fine, provided you didn't do it often |
| [08:21:16] | Dagmar: | memtest86 would blow raspberries on it quickly tho |
| [08:21:32] | Dagmar: | Drove me batty until I finally sat down and *ran* memtest86 |
| [08:21:34] | bex: | is mythtv supposed to be really hard to configure? |
| [08:21:54] | Dagmar: | ...cuz I was basiclaly getting binaries that would fail in "interesting" ways because they were corrupted |
| [08:22:03] | Dagmar: | bex: I wouldn't say "hard". |
| [08:22:03] | clever: | there |
| [08:22:05] | clever: | its fully off |
| [08:22:11] | Dagmar: | I would say it takes a LOT of prodding because it's a complex thing |
| [08:22:12] | bex: | do i need to make a separate partition? |
| [08:22:14] | clever: | now the fun part |
| [08:22:22] | clever: | the pci cards are on a removable rack |
| [08:22:45] | Dagmar: | bex: It's a good idea to put the main bulk of the disk you're going to be storing recordings on on a separate filesystem |
| [08:22:50] | clever: | dont need the dialup modems either anymore |
| [08:23:22] | bex: | this sounds way too complicated for me |
| [08:23:29] | Dagmar: | bex: Especially considering that if / fills up, "bad things" happen |
| [08:23:34] | bex: | same with the docs |
| [08:23:48] | Dagmar: | Meh. Download MythBuntu or KnoppMyth and boot that |
| [08:23:50] | SHADOW__X1: | 2.6.25 is safe to isntall right |
| [08:23:51] | SHADOW__X1: | ? |
| [08:23:52] | bex: | oh fuck |
| [08:23:58] | Dagmar: | shadow: Should be |
| [08:24:02] | bex: | where do i get those? |
| [08:24:08] | bex: | mythbuntu |
| [08:24:09] | Dagmar: | bex: You've really got nothing to lose with bootable CDs |
| [08:24:13] | Dagmar: | bex: Google 'em. |
| [08:24:18] | Dagmar: | They're dead easy to find |
| [08:24:35] | bex: | i thought mythbuntu was just ubuntu with mythtv installed |
| [08:24:36] | Dagmar: | You'd be quite disgusted with how easily they "go" if you'd done all this manually before |
| [08:24:41] | Dagmar: | bex: It basically is |
| [08:24:44] | SHADOW__X1: | Dagmar: lets see how it works on mythbuntu and with frimware maybe everything will magically work |
| [08:24:50] | SHADOW__X1: | i doubt it should be fun though |
| [08:24:59] | Dagmar: | ..but they've done even more tweakery/hackery for autodetecting and setting up the things important to a Myth user |
| [08:25:00] | SHADOW__X1: | bex that is what it is |
| [08:25:11] | SHADOW__X1: | but designed to run mythtv primarily |
| [08:25:21] | clever: | Dagmar: there, usb moved a few slots and 2 dialup modems removes |
| [08:25:24] | Dagmar: | Hell, just from a Linux user perspective I was a little pissed the first time I booted ubuntu 7 |
| [08:25:28] | bex: | it will be easier? |
| [08:25:37] | Dagmar: | bex: yes |
| [08:25:41] | bex: | thanks :) |
| [08:25:41] | sid3windr: | _2_ dialup modems. |
| [08:25:56] | Dagmar: | Taking a Linux box, which is primarily a server OS, and turning it into an appliance, is a bit complex |
| [08:25:59] | SHADOW__X1: | i dont tell people i run ubuntu i tell em i run debian because of how easy ubuntu is |
| [08:26:03] | SHADOW__X1: | :( |
| [08:26:15] | Dagmar: | shadow: I use Slackware, and you *know* we're all masochists |
| [08:26:22] | SHADOW__X1: | yeah |
| [08:26:30] | SHADOW__X1: | i am gona check out suse |
| [08:26:31] | Dagmar: | So imagine how I felt about seeing Xorg fire up using the nvidia drivers and my Intel wifi "just work" off the CD |
| [08:26:34] | SHADOW__X1: | have used fedora |
| [08:26:38] | SHADOW__X1: | i hate mandriva |
| [08:26:41] | SHADOW__X1: | maybe its just me |
| [08:26:44] | Dagmar: | I was definitely in "head in hands" mode for the first hour |
| [08:27:01] | clever: | Dagmar: weird |
| [08:27:08] | clever: | hdd light is oddly dark |
| [08:27:10] | SHADOW__X1: | hey Dagmar i have had fun with ati on any linux distro so yeah |
| [08:27:14] | SHADOW__X1: | i know the feeling |
| [08:27:15] | Dagmar: | I just about had a crisis of faith over it |
| [08:27:17] | clever: | nvm just a slow POST |
| [08:27:49] | clever: | Dagmar: you still havent asked why i had 2 dialup modems:P |
| [08:27:52] | Dagmar: | shadow: IMHO Mandrake had a good head start, and then kinda pissed it away |
| [08:28:14] | Dagmar: | clever: Considering that there's probably still three or four lurking around my apartment somewhere, it's not that suprising |
| [08:28:37] | clever: | Dagmar: i was going to use them for the caller id broadcasting thing in mythtv |
| [08:28:38] | Dagmar: | Pretty sure I still have an external Sportster 14.4k (with MNP5! w00t!) here someplace |
| [08:28:44] | clever: | but i cant even connect to them with a terminal prog |
| [08:28:49] | Dagmar: | clever: WinModems? |
| [08:28:56] | SHADOW__X1: | yeah i dont know i tried mandriva and was like ok but i want something more i felt very empty handed my wireless card worked way to easy broadom wireless n and video worked too well using xgl with compiz |
| [08:29:02] | clever: | conexant |
| [08:29:05] | Dagmar: | clever: They'd also *have* to support CallerID |
| [08:29:08] | clever: | u.s. robotics |
| [08:29:09] | Dagmar: | Yeah, WinModems basically |
| [08:29:17] | Dagmar: | Not all USR modems were "full" modems |
| [08:29:28] | clever: | i now have a pcmcia modem in my laptop doing that job |
| [08:29:31] | clever: | no problems at all |
| [08:29:33] | Dagmar: | Even they went lame on us for everything but the external models towards the end |
| [08:30:07] | Dagmar: | The last "winmodem" I had I wound up getting a hacked up driver from some place in Argentina |
| [08:30:13] | clever: | 11: 1435 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:usb1, ohci_hcd:usb3, ehci_hcd:usb4, eth0 |
| [08:30:16] | clever: | it did it again! |
| [08:30:30] | Dagmar: | clever: Check the BIOS |
| [08:30:32] | clever: | and i moved it clear to the other side of the mobo |
| [08:30:37] | clever: | theres no monitor or keyboard... |
| [08:30:44] | Dagmar: | Then you can't very well do that then |
| [08:30:54] | Dagmar: | Well, you COULD, and *you* probably might even try it, but don't. |
| [08:30:55] | Dagmar: | Just don't. |
| [08:30:56] | clever: | going to try a diff pci slot |
| [08:31:08] | clever: | i may have moved it 4 slots over |
| [08:31:14] | Dagmar: | Don't go screwing around with anything that purports to allow you to change the values in CMOS. |
| [08:31:17] | Dagmar: | That route ends in madness. |
| [08:31:45] | Dagmar: | clever: You've seen boards that use what I referred to with "A, B, C, D" right? |
| [08:31:57] | clever: | i know what thats about basicaly |
| [08:32:00] | Dagmar: | Like, sometimes it'll be a hidden setting, and sometimes the BIOS would let you edit it |
| [08:32:03] | Dagmar: | Ah then i'll explain |
| [08:32:04] | clever: | and how it rotates thru the 4 irq |
| [08:32:15] | clever: | and if i move 4 slots over i'll just be right back where i was |
| [08:32:24] | Dagmar: | Basically, the BIOS would tell you it had four IRQs it could assign to the PCI devices on it's own |
| [08:32:44] | Dagmar: | It would assign the A one first, then the B one, then the C one, and so on |
| [08:33:07] | clever: | the way i understand it, every pci slot is psysicaly wired to 4 irq lines |
| [08:33:20] | clever: | which may be rerouted thru the irq handler to diff numbers |
| [08:33:25] | Dagmar: | IF you were even allowed to change these, you'd be setting either a list of them which would be something like "9, 11, 5, 7" and you could change that around and sometimes input specific valuse |
| [08:33:50] | Dagmar: | ...and in the example above, A would be 9, B would be 11, and so on |
| [08:34:04] | clever: | slot1 a is identical to slot2 b and slot3's c |
| [08:34:09] | Dagmar: | That was really common in the 90's and on a few boards (but not many) after 2000 |
| [08:34:37] | clever: | the cpu is on a giant slot loading card |
| [08:34:40] | clever: | but its own special slot |
| [08:34:47] | Dagmar: | Putting a video card and keyboard on the thing is probably the only way you're changing the IRQ settings for those PCI slots |
| [08:34:54] | Dagmar: | Intel "slotket" |
| [08:35:04] | Dagmar: | That would fit right in with that time period |
| [08:35:09] | clever: | ive had another system where the cpu was on an ISA board! |
| [08:35:24] | Dagmar: | Sounds like a 386 or 286 |
| [08:35:26] | clever: | and the motherboard was practicaly a dumb bus |
| [08:35:31] | clever: | with allmost no chips |
| [08:35:51] | clever: | crap did it again |
| [08:36:00] | clever: | i keep removing the pci tray with the standby power on:P |
| [08:36:12] | SHADOW__X1: | should i load and attach frontend and tuner modules as needed? |
| [08:36:29] | SHADOW__X1: | i know the hvr 1800 uses modprobe tuner |
| [08:36:32] | clever: | the pci&isa slots are on a removable board |
| [08:36:37] | Dagmar: | shadow: Yes |
| [08:36:42] | SHADOW__X1: | thanks |
| [08:36:55] | Dagmar: | shadow: With all USB and PCI devices, each has it's own vendor/product numbers for a reason |
| [08:36:56] | clever: | now to boot back up |
| [08:37:07] | clever: | i have until 9am to get it back up and running |
| [08:37:12] | Dagmar: | The udev/kmod stuff leverages that information to know which modules to load for each device |
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| [08:38:19] | SHADOW__X1: | ah k |
| [08:38:30] | clever: | arping has got a reply, box is up! |
| [08:38:45] | clever: | 10: 268 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:usb1, eth0 |
| [08:38:47] | clever: | wtf |
| [08:38:54] | clever: | eth0 was on irq 11 a min ago |
| [08:39:02] | clever: | the eth0 is following the usb:P |
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| [08:39:33] | clever: | Dagmar: you seen that before? |
| [08:39:36] | Dagmar: | clever: Yep |
| [08:39:56] | clever: | i'll drag the monitor in |
| [08:40:03] | Dagmar: | Isn't bad ACPI routing fun? |
| [08:40:33] | clever: | yes it is |
| [08:41:17] | clever: | now where is the power socket... |
| [08:42:18] | clever: | there |
| [08:42:20] | clever: | got tty1 |
| [08:43:06] | clever: | 'entering setup' |
| [08:43:21] | clever: | dell |
| [08:43:32] | clever: | system optiplex gx1 400mtbr+ setup |
| [08:43:37] | clever: | bios version a06 |
| [08:44:00] | clever: | acpi ON |
| [08:44:15] | clever: | sound on |
| [08:44:25] | clever: | nic on, pxe off(usefull to use later) |
| [08:44:38] | clever: | thats it |
| [08:44:39] | clever: | 2 pages |
| [08:44:48] | clever: | nothing to do with irq(other then the generic acpi on/off) |
| [08:45:12] | Dagmar: | Intel boards . PFft. |
| [08:45:26] | clever: | dell service tag 1JK3V |
| [08:45:34] | Dagmar: | You're screwed |
| [08:45:35] | clever: | you should be able to see exactly what i have with that |
| [08:45:39] | Dagmar: | You're not changing that IRQ setup |
| [08:45:58] | Dagmar: | Phoenix BIOS are not known for their flexibility, and that's who Dell bought it from |
| [08:46:14] | clever: | linux bios away! |
| [08:46:21] | clever: | does it support this mobo though... |
| [08:46:22] | clever: | :P |
| [08:46:23] | Dagmar: | It isn't likely to work on that machine |
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| [08:46:33] | Dagmar: | What LinuxBIOS will work on is a *very* short list |
| [08:46:48] | clever: | 2 kernels, memtest, win98 |
| [08:46:53] | clever: | (what grub lists) |
| [08:47:54] | clever: | now to repair mythtv |
| [08:48:01] | clever: | that box ran the mysql server:P |
| [08:48:30] | SHADOW__X1: | who knows who will finish first soon i am going to set it and forget it compile |
| [08:49:00] | clever: | yay |
| [08:49:11] | clever: | Couldn't find device with uuid 'mUNmXe-oV0C-7Zj4–0P0o-wYFM-WFO9-JGDP0I'. |
| [08:49:22] | clever: | the usb enclosure never works on bootup |
| [08:49:29] | clever: | i need to power cycle it after the pc boots |
| [08:50:16] | SHADOW__X1: | does anyone remember those compercials with that rotisserie |
| [08:50:17] | SHADOW__X1: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0NS44D7MYo |
| [08:51:50] | clever: | Dagmar: uhhh, the usb hdd is missing |
| [08:51:56] | clever: | and lspci is missing several usb hubs |
| [08:52:10] | clever: | only 1 usb in lspci, not 4 |
| [08:52:30] | clever: | the whole card is just missing |
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| [08:52:38] | SHADOW__X1: | whe is the hvr 2250 coming out |
| [08:52:48] | clever: | 00:0d.0 SSA: NEC Corporation Unknown device 0034 (rev 43) |
| [08:52:48] | clever: | 00:0d.1 SSA: NEC Corporation Unknown device 0034 (rev 43) |
| [08:52:48] | clever: | 00:0d.2 SSA: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 (rev 04) |
| [08:53:12] | clever: | that matches up with what i have in the pastebin of before |
| [08:56:36] | clever: | crap |
| [08:56:46] | Dagmar: | shadow: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html |
| [08:56:53] | clever: | Dagmar: [ 0.000000] ACPI: BIOS age (1999) fails cutoff (2000), acpi=force is required to enable ACPI |
| [08:57:02] | Dagmar: | There's a "buy now" button, which would lead me to believe that it's already out |
| [08:57:04] | clever: | [ 0.000000] ACPI: acpi=force override |
| [08:57:15] | Dagmar: | clever: Yep. Evil evil hardware |
| [08:57:25] | clever: | and the card isnt even working anymore |
| [08:57:27] | clever: | its dead:P |
| [08:57:35] | clever: | lspci cant identify it |
| [08:57:52] | Dagmar: | Prolly cuz routing failed miserably this time and the card has no IRQ |
| [08:58:05] | clever: | i dont see anything obvious in the dmesg |
| [08:58:11] | clever: | i'll move it to another slot |
| [08:58:15] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm awesome i want one of demz |
| [08:58:27] | Dagmar: | Dude, "[ 0.000000] ACPI: BIOS age (1999) fails cutoff (2000), acpi=force is required to enable ACPI" seems pretty obvious to me |
| [08:58:47] | Dagmar: | ACPI before 2000 was generally hit-or-miss as to whether it's builtin routing table was sane or not |
| [08:59:00] | clever: | Dagmar: it was working just fine without that forced on |
| [08:59:35] | Dagmar: | "was" |
| [08:59:44] | clever: | before i moved it to antoher slot |
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| [09:00:59] | clever: | now its in PCI3 |
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| [09:02:14] | clever: | booting back up |
| [09:02:53] | clever: | i'll also mention this system has a pair of 40pin ide cables! |
| [09:03:01] | clever: | cdrom and hdd are on seperate bus's |
| [09:03:14] | clever: | w00t, i see messages about sdb! |
| [09:03:23] | clever: | (usb hdd) |
| [09:04:42] | clever: | now everything mounted fine |
| [09:05:25] | clever: | mysql is up |
| [09:05:26] | clever: | 10: 0 XT-PIC-XT ohci_hcd:usb2 |
| [09:05:26] | clever: | 11: 3169 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:usb1, ohci_hcd:usb3, ehci_hcd:usb4, eth0 |
| [09:05:26] | clever: | weird |
| [09:07:22] | SHADOW__X1: | night |
| [09:09:30] | clever: | 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 53.9291 seconds, 19.4 MB/s |
| [09:09:42] | clever: | i think i shaved 3 seconds off that |
| [09:09:52] | clever: | but that could have easily been err based on cpu load |
| [09:13:49] | clever: | 2008-07–24 06:13:52.624 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingPreRecorded |
| [09:13:52] | clever: | 2008-07–24 06:13:59.820 MythSocket(837a620:43): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick). |
| [09:13:55] | clever: | QString::arg: Argument missing: RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket): Did not get proper responce from /1051_20080505012800.nuv:192.168.1.61, 6543 |
| [09:13:59] | clever: | 2008-07–24 06:13:59.821 RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file (myth://192.168.1.61:6543/1051_20080505012800.nuv) |
| [09:14:08] | clever: | new problem(old one actualy ive had it for a week) |
| [09:14:28] | clever: | Dagmar: any idea what might cause this one? |
| [09:14:57] | clever: | ssh 192.168.1.61 locate 1051_20080505012800.nuv |
| [09:14:59] | clever: | /media/c600myth/1051_20080505012800.nuv |
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| [09:16:31] | clever: | and yes that directory is setup as a storage group on that hostname |
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| [09:21:37] | clever: | im out of ideas on how to fix this, other then manualy mv the recording back to the master |
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| [09:35:15] | fryfrog: | clever: locate uses a db, are you sure that is up to date? updatedb or slocate -u will update it |
| [09:35:39] | clever: | locate will then try to access the file to make shure i have perms to see it |
| [09:35:50] | clever: | ls -l /media/c600myth/1051_20080505012800.nuv |
| [09:35:50] | clever: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 334766903 2008-06–18 21:21 /media/c600myth/1051_20080505012800.nuv |
| [09:35:59] | clever: | and ls claims the file does exist and contains data |
| [09:36:03] | fryfrog: | ah, well that does prove it :) |
| [09:37:00] | clever: | any other ideas? |
| [09:37:31] | clever: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 9227/mythbackend |
| [09:37:42] | clever: | the backend is on the port that the fe tryed to use |
| [09:41:39] | justinh: | that kind of problem normally only happens when the FE & BE hostnames are the same when they shouldn't be |
| [09:41:55] | clever: | frontends at theP4 and oldghost give the error |
| [09:41:59] | clever: | backend is at olddell |
| [09:42:21] | sid3windr: | imaginative names |
| [09:42:27] | justinh: | I wonder if your host names are sufficiently different |
| [09:42:40] | justinh: | not that it should be an issue, but it might be ;) |
| [09:43:04] | clever: | oldghost theP4 olddell media dadxp d630 d600 |
| [09:43:15] | clever: | i think thats 90% of the hostnames in the mythtv network |
| [09:43:19] | justinh: | there might be an as yet undiscovered bug because normal people have sensible hostnames :P |
| [09:43:44] | clever: | oldghost is the install on an old ghost(backup) harddrive |
| [09:43:50] | clever: | theP4 is the P4 system:P |
| [09:44:15] | sebrock_: | which button changes to a specific channel while in EPG? |
| [09:44:17] | clever: | olddell is the old dell laptop:P |
| [09:44:24] | sebrock_: | like pressing enter on that channel I guessed |
| [09:44:41] | justinh: | sebrock_: info, unless you've set mythfrontend to allow the select button to do that |
| [09:44:49] | justinh: | logical, huh? :P |
| [09:45:42] | sebrock_: | thats what I guessed, but when I press select I go into the recording options menu |
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| [09:46:02] | justinh: | yeah well you need to set myth up to not do that |
| [09:46:31] | justinh: | utils/settings > settings > tv > programme guide IIRC |
| [09:46:42] | sebrock_: | ok sorry for the dumb question... I meant which binding |
| [09:47:07] | sebrock_: | Im also looking for that virtual keyboard thinngy |
| [09:47:11] | justinh: | nevermind which binding |
| [09:47:23] | justinh: | the default is I |
| [09:47:29] | justinh: | as in INFO |
| [09:47:51] | sebrock_: | ok thanks |
| [09:52:49] | sid3windr: | clever: do you have a newdell too? what happens if you buy another one? newerdell? |
| [09:52:54] | sid3windr: | or do the others move up |
| [09:52:58] | sid3windr: | oldestdell, olddell, dell |
| [09:52:59] | clever: | sid3windr: i have 3 dells |
| [09:53:04] | clever: | the c600 d600 and d630 |
| [09:53:25] | clever: | the harddrives(and hostnames) also float between systems a bit osmetimes |
| [09:53:52] | sebrock_: | justinh, I tried it but when I would like to bring it up for example searching for music, it prints "I" instead |
| [09:53:53] | ** justinh hacks in & renames them junk1, junk2, recyclops ** | |
| [09:54:14] | ** clever watches as all the nfs and mythtv programs implode from errors ** | |
| [09:54:46] | sid3windr: | recyclops =) |
| [09:54:55] | justinh: | sebrock_: just set mythfrontend so that *SELECT* allows changing channels |
| [09:55:23] | sebrock_: | thats fixed, thanks, Im talking about the virtual keyboard now :P |
| [09:56:35] | justinh: | you normally just press select in a textedit box & the virtual keyboard comes up by itself |
| [09:57:02] | clever: | justinh: also that virtual keyboard seems to ignore the telnet control |
| [09:57:21] | clever: | so when i hit space(select) while typing in a name i opened the virtual keyboard and couldnt close it |
| [09:58:45] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:59:00] | sebrock_: | ah word now |
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| [09:59:31] | justinh: | and here's another surprise – some of the text entry fields in mythtv use a remoteedit box not a textbox. press 1 for ABC, 2 for DEF, 3 for ... and for zero? Oh, press NINE four times. FFS |
| [09:59:56] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [10:00:39] | sebrock_: | now my screen blanks after 5 minutes... what |
| [10:00:50] | justinh: | I had to look in the source to find that one out.. grrrrr |
| [10:00:53] | sebrock_: | I thought myth set dpms? |
| [10:01:06] | clever: | sebrock_: myth only disabled dpms durring playback |
| [10:01:12] | clever: | and enabled it when stoped/paused |
| [10:01:23] | sebrock_: | nope not here :D |
| [10:01:27] | sebrock_: | my god |
| [10:01:51] | clever: | it may be a bit screwy if you change the dpms stuff after starting the frontend |
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| [10:03:14] | sebrock_: | I noticed |
| [10:03:36] | clever: | just restart the frontend and it may act more normal |
| [10:04:21] | sebrock_: | well I have this in my resume from ram script: sudo vbetool dpms on |
| [10:04:54] | clever: | aslong as your also doing the same thing after starting Xorg it should be a problem |
| [10:05:01] | clever: | just returning it to the same state it was before |
| [10:05:10] | clever: | back to what the frontend was expecting |
| [10:05:19] | sebrock_: | yes, but Im thinking that it sets some sort of timer? |
| [10:05:32] | clever: | also why do you have sudo there? |
| [10:05:41] | sebrock_: | I need to mythbuntu |
| [10:05:43] | clever: | it would ask for the pw and not do anything until you reply |
| [10:05:52] | sebrock_: | changed sudoers file |
| [10:05:57] | clever: | only way it wont ask is if you changed sudoers |
| [10:06:00] | clever: | or ran it as root |
| [10:06:13] | sebrock_: | well it works |
| [10:06:16] | clever: | and id think the resume script is allready ran as root |
| [10:06:30] | sebrock_: | no its run by irexec |
| [10:06:36] | clever: | ahh |
| [10:06:39] | sebrock_: | and that in turn is run by me, aslo sudoers |
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| [10:06:47] | clever: | the way i thought suspend worked |
| [10:06:54] | clever: | you run the 'suspend' script as root |
| [10:07:05] | sebrock_: | ye |
| [10:07:09] | clever: | it runs a few prep scripts as root then echos a number into a 'magic' /proc/ file |
| [10:07:15] | clever: | which halts the whole system right then and there |
| [10:07:20] | justinh: | just disable dpms altogether |
| [10:07:35] | clever: | when it wakes up, the script continues and runs the resume scripts to undo any harm |
| [10:07:40] | clever: | which get ran as root |
| [10:07:46] | justinh: | hint – it doesn't work properly with some desktops (that part of mythtv which disables it) |
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| [10:08:15] | sebrock_: | its more slick to have it shut down the screen at suspend and then wake up at myth main menu, I have to restart myth in order to get my remote working... |
| [10:08:16] | clever: | i rarely get suspend/standby/hibernate to work properly on linux |
| [10:08:22] | sebrock_: | doesnt look very nice |
| [10:08:24] | clever: | allmost allways hangs on resume |
| [10:08:43] | sebrock_: | it works like a charm here. I was surprised, a few tweaks but it works |
| [10:09:00] | clever: | its also harder to debug if the video crashes:P |
| [10:09:00] | justinh: | never seen the point in screen blanking |
| [10:09:16] | justinh: | if video disappears, my TV shows the input name onscreen endlessly |
| [10:09:25] | clever: | justinh: i manualy 'xset dpms force off' when i go to bed just so i dont leave the thing lighting the whole room up |
| [10:09:29] | justinh: | so rather than saving my screen, it'll fuck it |
| [10:09:45] | clever: | my tv will threaten to shut itself off when it cant find a signal |
| [10:09:47] | justinh: | I turn my TV off when I go to bed. I'm not a lazy c*** |
| [10:09:55] | clever: | and then go thru with that threat after 10mins |
| [10:10:40] | sebrock_: | I use vbetool as it works better than xset |
| [10:11:09] | clever: | ive only used vbetool to post the card and even then ive never been able to rescue text mode after a hard video crash |
| [10:11:15] | clever: | though graphics still work |
| [10:12:29] | sebrock_: | I must be lucky then, everything works except after 5 minutes it blanks the screen and will not return upon keypresses |
| [10:12:50] | clever: | the only time i had video problems happening often was on a certain ati card and poor drivers |
| [10:12:54] | justinh: | sounds very much like NOT working to me |
| [10:13:03] | sebrock_: | haha I knew it |
| [10:13:06] | clever: | entering/leaving text mode had a high chance of hardlocking the system or crashing the video |
| [10:13:17] | sebrock_: | what I meant was that suspend to ram works flawlessly |
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| [10:13:42] | sebrock_: | this is of cause fixable |
| [10:14:24] | sebrock_: | it has this nice fade to it when it blanks so Im guessing its X that does it really |
| [10:17:31] | clever: | my lcd on the old laptop had realy weird fade when it went crazy |
| [10:17:38] | clever: | the kind of color changes you expect from drugs |
| [10:18:02] | clever: | whole screen would invert from the center out like something was spreading |
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| [10:20:31] | sebrock_: | I had that once too |
| [10:20:44] | sebrock_: | but it was just a driver issue... |
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| [10:52:35] | justinh: | so, if Virgin Media are really concerned about people downloading music illegally, why the feck are they hosting alt.binaries.mp3.full-albums etc on their own servers for their customers to download hmm? ;-) |
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| [11:03:57] | clever: | justinh: might be something private to members of that isp |
| [11:04:42] | webvictim: | justinh: honeytrap! :P |
| [11:05:00] | clever: | could be, could be |
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| [11:37:07] | justinh: | clever: it doesn't mean the files they host are legit though, far from it |
| [11:37:29] | clever: | but since its all within the isp they can better track down every person who downloads/uploads |
| [11:37:40] | clever: | and aid the riaa in sueing every one of them:P |
| [11:37:55] | justinh: | I've yet to hear of anybody being told off for using usenet |
| [11:38:28] | RaYmAn-Bx: | there tends to be some issues wrt filtering that kind of thing..If they start filtering and monitoring, they risk being held responsible for the contents..If they don't they only have to react to removal requests.. |
| [11:39:10] | RaYmAn-Bx: | hence, it's easier to just not do anything than make failed attempts. (They could just entirely dump all the binary groups though.) |
| [11:39:38] | justinh: | oh come on. all of the alt.binaries newsgroups (which Virgin themselves have recently made much fuss about them increasing the number of groups & retention times) are full of dodgy material |
| [11:40:17] | justinh: | I'm not sure they should really be carrying groups like alt.binaries.erotica.bestiality either |
| [11:40:51] | RaYmAn-Bx: | Sure. Again, they can't filter part of it, they'd have to filter all of it or nothing..Some isp's already do that in fact. |
| [11:41:01] | RaYmAn-Bx: | hence the existance of things like giganews etc |
| [11:41:04] | justinh: | they *choose* which groups to host |
| [11:41:18] | justinh: | and they're hosted on their *own* servers. no argument |
| [11:41:32] | RaYmAn-Bx: | not really..it's all automatic. |
| [11:41:43] | RaYmAn-Bx: | they don't make a decision on anything but hiarchies of groups |
| [11:41:50] | RaYmAn-Bx: | everything else is just control messages from other places. |
| [11:42:21] | justinh: | it needn't be all on automatic though |
| [11:43:01] | justinh: | all I'm saying is that they're fucking hyprocrites. they can hardly come down on people for using p2p usage while they're hosting the stuff themselves IMHO |
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| [11:46:03] | jduggan: | justinh: what have you got against bestiality?! |
| [11:46:57] | justinh: | what's right with it? nothing that springs to mind |
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| [12:29:58] | AndyCap: | A court case here fined an ISP for carrying usenet groups with names that clearly suggested illegal content, while groups with illegal content posted in groups with legit names was deeemed outside of the ISP's responsibility |
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| [13:28:58] | mzb_d800: | are you all sure you want to have a censorship argument here? |
| [13:30:17] | ** mzb_d800 gives evil stares to ppl that should know better ** | |
| [13:31:47] | justinh: | oh yeah never talk about a subject which zealots can be extremely passionate about, especially in IRC. my bad |
| [13:32:28] | mzb_d800: | justinh: did you take my comment personally? |
| [13:32:59] | justinh: | not really |
| [13:33:45] | mzb_d800: | I'm not telling you (or anyone else) to shut(the f0rk)up ... just choose where to shoot your mouth off |
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| [13:34:02] | justinh: | what difference does it make? |
| [13:34:18] | mzb_d800: | as I'm sure you'll agree, this channel is not about those subjects |
| [13:34:31] | justinh: | oh gawd not a topic rant |
| [13:35:03] | mzb_d800: | ok, goodnight little boy |
| [13:35:26] | justinh: | sorry for interrupting all the very important help those poor noobs were ignoring as usual |
| [13:35:57] | justinh: | this channel can be a little off-topic sometimes & I'm all for that |
| [13:36:05] | justinh: | there aren't any rules about it |
| [13:36:25] | justinh: | did somebody get out of the wrong side of bed today? |
| [13:36:42] | mzb_d800: | and that precludes you from using manners and common sense? |
| [13:37:01] | justinh: | anyway, I was innocently pointing out what I saw as the blatent hypocrisy of one of today's big news items, that's all |
| [13:37:14] | mzb_d800: | (oops, got drawn back into the bullshit) |
| [13:37:37] | mzb_d800: | fair enough ... just use your brain |
| [13:37:42] | justinh: | man, you're in a bad mood, even for you |
| [13:37:43] | mzb_d800: | (again) |
| [13:38:17] | mzb_d800: | actually, having a great day ... only a few days until my birthday ... had a few drinks thanks for asking |
| [13:38:34] | mzb_d800: | and as I said before... did you take my comment personally? |
| [13:38:54] | justinh: | you were talking in general about the topic I happened to bring up. that's what I saw |
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| [13:39:45] | justinh: | so no, I didn't take it personally as such |
| [13:39:47] | mzb_d800: | so now it's my fault for objecting to this topic? |
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| [13:40:03] | mzb_d800: | (or the extent that you've taken it to?) |
| [13:40:18] | mzb_d800: | (including the language involved) |
| [13:40:37] | justinh: | put me on ignore, then |
| [13:41:30] | justinh: | or talk to a freenode op if you object that strongly. there are procedures, apparently |
| [13:41:54] | mzb_d800: | dont bother pushing me, I'm not interested |
| [13:42:31] | mzb_d800: | is it that time of the month? Insurance payment due again? |
| [13:42:38] | mzb_d800: | ;P |
| [13:42:46] | justinh: | funny, but it's my birthday tomorrow |
| [13:42:58] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [13:42:59] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [13:43:17] | justinh: | sorry if you think I'm in a bad mood. that's pretty wide of the mark |
| [13:43:21] | mzb_d800: | so, cancer or leo ? (this might explain a few things;) |
| [13:43:42] | justinh: | don't believe in astrology. it's as much tosh as the KDE vs GNOME debate |
| [13:43:51] | mzb_d800: | whatever |
| [13:43:57] | justinh: | oops. that'll be a different can of worms |
| [13:44:02] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [13:44:28] | mzb_d800: | would that be considered off-topic? |
| [13:44:48] | justinh: | yes, I know I use bad language a little too much. if that upsets anybody they can put me on ignore or go through channels |
| [13:45:07] | mzb_d800: | so what about the <18yo's ? |
| [13:45:16] | justinh: | funny to talk about censorship & then say that though, I think |
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| [13:45:55] | mzb_d800: | I'm just suggesting "self" moderation in public |
| [13:46:02] | mzb_d800: | ie: you should know better |
| [13:46:15] | justinh: | it's my funeral |
| [13:46:20] | mzb_d800: | only makes you look ... well ... you can make up your own mind |
| [13:46:24] | mzb_d800: | fair enough |
| [13:46:39] | mzb_d800: | so, I've made my opinion clear, so have you |
| [13:46:56] | mzb_d800: | we all happy now ... and can move on? |
| [13:47:05] | justinh: | I was happy before |
| [13:47:08] | mzb_d800: | good |
| [13:47:15] | mzb_d800: | happy birthday! |
| [13:47:23] | justinh: | I hope it is! |
| [13:48:39] | justinh: | btw you know all the hassle I had getting my laptop, which I ranted profusely about the other week? got myself a voucher for my trouble, which was nice |
| [13:49:18] | justinh: | not than venting in here changed anything of course, other than some people questioning my sanity – but if I gave a damn about that I wouldn't be on IRC at all |
| [13:49:53] | Virindi: | is there any way to make 'users' for mythtv so for example one frontend cannot delete recordings made by a different frontend? |
| [13:50:03] | GreyFoxx: | No |
| [13:50:14] | GreyFoxx: | There is no concept of permissions or users |
| [13:50:16] | Virindi: | Dang, that would really be good |
| [13:50:20] | justinh: | Virindi: nope. there was once a Google SoC project for something similar but it didn't bear any fruit |
| [13:50:23] | GreyFoxx: | closest is pins to stop a user from accessing some videos |
| [13:51:20] | clever: | GreyFoxx: but if i have psysical access to the box i could boot my own livecd and steal the mysql.txt |
| [13:51:31] | clever: | and then just edit the settings for any box |
| [13:51:33] | GreyFoxx: | clev: ummm hih? |
| [13:51:34] | justinh: | you could possibly put some recordings in playback groups & just prevent them being shown on other frontends |
| [13:51:53] | justinh: | er.. recording groups, I mean |
| [13:51:53] | clever: | just saying that any security you put on the frontend could be overriden with little work |
| [13:51:58] | clever: | with the current security model |
| [13:51:58] | GreyFoxx: | cleve: Stop trying to be smart and read what I said :) |
| [13:52:09] | GreyFoxx: | I said no there is none, "closest thing is" |
| [13:52:15] | clever: | yeah |
| [13:52:18] | GreyFoxx: | I never said it was secure or worked well :) |
| [13:52:24] | Virindi: | well what I really want is to have multiple people each have their own personal TV with a frontend on it, all with the same backend, and not have them mess with each other's recordings |
| [13:52:25] | GreyFoxx: | you don't even need the database |
| [13:52:34] | GreyFoxx: | you can alter settings via mythprotocol with no auth at all :O) |
| [13:52:41] | justinh: | it'd be nice if there was more commonality to mythtv's parental controls – and with an eye to the future I've considered looking at it |
| [13:52:52] | clever: | GreyFoxx: but you need mysql or a packet sniffer to find the master backend:P |
| [13:53:06] | justinh: | until the mythui revamp work is done there's *absolutely* no point though |
| [13:53:19] | Virindi: | is it all being redone? |
| [13:53:27] | GreyFoxx: | clev: nah upnp |
| [13:53:40] | clever: | GreyFoxx: ahh yeah forgot, and i disabled that on my master:P |
| [13:53:52] | justinh: | clever: in the unlikely event of other members of your household being complete wizards.. you're screwed anyway |
| [13:53:59] | clever: | yeah |
| [13:54:08] | GreyFoxx: | clev: portscan for 6543 :) |
| [13:54:14] | clever: | all you need to do is spoof 1 ip and you can get total r/w access on nfs:P |
| [13:54:15] | mzb_d800: | I guess it's not really up to mythtv to make itself secure, but to avail itself of the various methods (within Linux) to do so. Completely different subject to FE permissions (on all levels) |
| [13:54:19] | GreyFoxx: | there are many ways |
| [13:54:20] | justinh: | Virindi: that's the plan. There's a big list of things I want to look at |
| [13:54:30] | GreyFoxx: | mythprotocol, upnp, direct calls to 6544 |
| [13:54:32] | GreyFoxx: | mysql |
| [13:54:55] | justinh: | parental controls should cover TV channel viewing, recordings, videos, music, photos.. the lot IMHO |
| [13:55:05] | Virindi: | even having it be secure just in the sense that you can't change it in the gui would be good, then it would be at least secure against non-techies |
| [13:55:08] | justinh: | lots of work there! |
| [13:55:14] | clever: | justinh: i still havent found the parrental controls for recordings |
| [13:55:22] | justinh: | that'd be secure enough for the majority of folks |
| [13:55:23] | clever: | and i search thru every page of the settings |
| [13:55:36] | justinh: | clever: playback groups |
| [13:55:37] | GreyFoxx: | I agree on better parental controls though I doubt I'd ever use them myself |
| [13:55:53] | clever: | justinh: i'll have a closer look at those next time i have some free time |
| [13:55:57] | justinh: | if they're not on *everything* I don't see much point in there being *any* ;-) |
| [13:56:02] | GreyFoxx: | personally I believe in the "carry a big stick" aspect to stop users from removing your recording schedules or changing settings |
| [13:56:21] | clever: | GreyFoxx: the police might not like that idea:P |
| [13:56:42] | Virindi: | a lot of people use myth with multiple frontends for their whole family, though, don't they? It seems a security system would be useful |
| [13:57:03] | clever: | keep the 4 year old from deleting your soaps:P |
| [13:57:09] | GreyFoxx: | Virin: I've got 7 Fe's activily using my backends |
| [13:57:24] | GreyFoxx: | not once have I ever had to fix something some other than me broke |
| [13:57:25] | mzb_d800: | GreyFoxx: so security method is "If you watch something I don't want you to, I'll belt you one?" :) |
| [13:57:49] | GreyFoxx: | mzb: No, if you delete a scheduled recording expect some anger from me |
| [13:58:10] | mzb_d800: | hmm .. that's the approach I'm using |
| [13:58:14] | mzb_d800: | working so far |
| [13:58:17] | GreyFoxx: | If you have people changing settings or REMOVING schedules then you have a user problem |
| [13:58:24] | GreyFoxx: | that's peopleware, not software |
| [13:58:32] | Virindi: | I can imagine in some families a 'priority war' might break out where people start trying to raise their recordings to higher priorities than everyone else's |
| [13:58:33] | mzb_d800: | but I can see that it's not going to be sustainable in the long term ;) |
| [13:58:46] | GreyFoxx: | Virin: That's where I just have enough tuners to cover it |
| [13:58:56] | clever: | Virindi: just buy more cards to solve conflicts |
| [13:59:01] | GreyFoxx: | If I were to try and have all these users on just 1 tuner I'd be a fool :) |
| [13:59:12] | mzb_d800: | ie: when my kid(s) get old enough to work out a remote |
| [13:59:25] | GreyFoxx: | Virin: but in the end that's stilla peopleware thing :) |
| [13:59:40] | Virindi: | software is designed for use by people :P |
| [13:59:43] | GreyFoxx: | "You are not more important that X so stop forcing his recordings down the list" |
| [14:00:08] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah so are cars |
| [14:00:24] | GreyFoxx: | but some people still drive like jerks and need someone to pull them over from time to time :) |
| [14:00:26] | justinh: | mythtv wasn't designed to be used by 'people' ;-) |
| [14:00:31] | Virindi: | "you have X priority points left to spend" |
| [14:01:24] | mzb_d800: | "put down the remote before it bits you" |
| [14:01:28] | mzb_d800: | s/bites |
| [14:01:41] | justinh: | I wouldn't fancy being the guy who looks at putting user priorities into the scheduler too |
| [14:01:53] | justinh: | it's quite scary enough as it is, thankyou |
| [14:02:06] | mzb_d800: | does it need to be that complicated? |
| [14:02:11] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [14:02:18] | justinh: | well, if you want all the functionality, yes it does |
| [14:02:20] | Virindi: | the scheduler doesn't have to be modified |
| [14:02:25] | GreyFoxx: | because of the huge number of options and scenarios |
| [14:02:33] | Virindi: | each user could simply be given a priority quota |
| [14:02:56] | justinh: | Virindi: the scheduler has to take it all into account, there'd be no way around it – not to do it properly |
| [14:02:57] | clever: | parrents might be allowed -20 thru 20 |
| [14:02:58] | mzb_d800: | initially, though, surely just a verification PIN for different levels of the menu would be sufficient? |
| [14:03:08] | clever: | letting them override other users choices or solve conflicts |
| [14:03:26] | clever: | kids might be limited to -10 thru 0 |
| [14:03:40] | mzb_d800: | levels of recording schedules (once that's taken care of) are just one step easier |
| [14:03:40] | Virindi: | Nah, I mean, the priorities would be verified before a schedule modification was allowed |
| [14:03:47] | justinh: | wonder whatever happened to the idea of letting parents govern what kids watch, anyway |
| [14:03:51] | clever: | could give each child a diff range of prio |
| [14:04:05] | mzb_d800: | justinh: ;) |
| [14:04:15] | clever: | Virindi: with my idea you could still addjust the schedule within limits |
| [14:04:26] | clever: | and ask the parrents to get it pushed outside your limits |
| [14:04:32] | mzb_d800: | child1: k|pg |
| [14:04:45] | Virindi: | I like the idea of each person being able to spend points to make stuff higher priority, so people would have to choose what they wanted most and that would serve to resolve conflicts |
| [14:04:59] | mzb_d800: | child2: k|pg|m|ao|xx (sick puppy for a 12yo;) |
| [14:05:09] | GreyFoxx: | virin: With propper use of schedules and enough tuners you wouldn't really need that |
| [14:05:14] | GreyFoxx: | within reason of course |
| [14:05:18] | justinh: | often when I think of the term 'parental controls' I look at it more as stopping your parents seeing things ;-) |
| [14:05:37] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [14:05:39] | Virindi: | well a lot of things all air at the same time |
| [14:05:56] | GreyFoxx: | Yes but often shows are reaired later, or sometimes on another channel |
| [14:06:11] | justinh: | MOAR TUNAHZ! |
| [14:06:24] | GreyFoxx: | You can set "Record on any show any time" or "record this show ata anytime on FOX" |
| [14:06:25] | Virindi: | more tuners = more monthly fee with fios |
| [14:06:30] | mzb_d800: | mine aren't clever enough to work out my remotes ... so that's not what worries me in the future ... it's the idea of my kids working it out. |
| [14:06:53] | mzb_d800: | (ie: I vaguely remember what I was like;) |
| [14:06:54] | justinh: | for me, mythtv started out as a thing I might use to record the occasional show the VCR couldn't record when it was busy. oh boy |
| [14:07:01] | GreyFoxx: | so if you have 2 shows that air at the same time, BUT 1 of them is on another channel later or the same channel in the middle of the night it will reschedule that one and get both |
| [14:07:21] | justinh: | mzb_d800: N800 tablet running telnet? ;-) |
| [14:07:34] | mzb_d800: | currently? |
| [14:07:36] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [14:07:52] | mzb_d800: | or you mean 30 years ago? |
| [14:07:56] | justinh: | no, but it might stifle the learnin' ;) |
| [14:08:02] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [14:08:04] | mzb_d800: | yeah |
| [14:08:16] | justinh: | hardly a high WAF feature though |
| [14:08:25] | mzb_d800: | but I'm guessing that might only take a week to work out |
| [14:08:34] | Virindi: | If I had kids I might set the parental controls to block cartoons :) |
| [14:08:36] | justinh: | I sometimes wonder |
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| [14:09:20] | mzb_d800: | Virindi: cruelty! (what would I watch?) |
| [14:09:29] | Virindi: | CSPAN |
| [14:09:33] | justinh: | American Gladiators! non-stop! |
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| [14:09:49] | mzb_d800: | no such number (.au) |
| [14:10:08] | justinh: | ok then Celebrity Come Dancing |
| [14:10:11] | mzb_d800: | 8675309 |
| [14:10:13] | Virindi: | you don't have a channel that shows government proceedings? |
| [14:10:14] | mzb_d800: | nah |
| [14:10:17] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [14:10:44] | Virindi: | there you go then :) |
| [14:10:48] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [14:11:43] | mzb_d800: | I guess I could provide a constant loop of "Parliament Time" ... that would solve a number of (possible) future problems ... |
| [14:11:58] | mzb_d800: | but would make current life ABSOLUTE HELL! |
| [14:12:05] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [14:12:43] | mzb_d800: | btw: anyone old enough to remember # above? |
| [14:12:50] | mzb_d800: | or is it just me? |
| [14:13:43] | Virindi: | maybe then your kids would learn there is more to life than tv...you know, like online gaming |
| [14:13:50] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [14:14:14] | mzb_d800: | I've partially solved that by removing Windows from my domain |
| [14:14:40] | Virindi: | yeah, I know I'd be a pretty mean parent...I would force my kids to use linux, not let them watch cartoons, etc |
| [14:14:56] | mzb_d800: | kiddies (and woman) can play Linux games until they bleed Penguins |
| [14:15:34] | mzb_d800: | not *ever* buying windows |
| [14:15:46] | Virindi: | hey, that gnome snake game is great fun |
| [14:15:51] | mzb_d800: | (have never, will never ... you got the idea) |
| [14:16:04] | mzb_d800: | woman is an expert in *nix games now |
| [14:16:05] | Virindi: | gnibbles is it? Something like that |
| [14:16:26] | mzb_d800: | doesn't like the ms stuff anymore (it's only taken 4 years;) |
| [14:16:52] | mzb_d800: | hang on ... I asked by megaphone ... answer coming |
| [14:17:18] | Virindi: | I still have to use windows for some stuff because of .net not running in wine :\ |
| [14:17:27] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... mumble mumble... ** game ... crack attack |
| [14:17:52] | Virindi: | but I only use windows 2000, I'm not paying for something with product activation |
| [14:17:59] | mzb_d800: | but I know she's played others for months (coz I installed them!) |
| [14:18:02] | GreyFoxx: | VMWare is your friend |
| [14:18:04] | sebrock: | mythweb is pretty much broken here and there right=? |
| [14:18:17] | GreyFoxx: | seb: works perfectly for me |
| [14:18:25] | Virindi: | VMWare on linux is total crap...it's crazy unstable |
| [14:18:45] | mzb_d800: | really? I've not noticed |
| [14:18:55] | Virindi: | do the wrong thing in the guest and the host freezes up for 5 minutes |
| [14:18:55] | GreyFoxx: | Virin: I used it on dozens of machines running hundreds of virtuals with 0 problems |
| [14:18:57] | Virindi: | at least for me |
| [14:19:07] | GreyFoxx: | Vir: I suspect that is more host related |
| [14:19:12] | sebrock: | GreyFoxx, it has never worked to get movie posters on my collection via mythweb |
| [14:19:13] | mzb_d800: | and I've been using a vmware image of ubuntu to do my mythtv editing (while desperate) |
| [14:19:27] | sebrock: | and mythweather seems to be missing some graphics or something |
| [14:19:30] | GreyFoxx: | I have 90 active VM's running right now and no problems on any of them |
| [14:19:40] | justinh: | mzb_d800: freenx is good for that |
| [14:19:57] | Virindi: | I'd rather run a VM that is entirely in userland even if the guest emulation is way slower, since it wouldn't mess with the host |
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| [14:20:33] | GreyFoxx: | seb: I use that function a lot actually, works great, but I'm running trunk, so I don't know if as of right now there is anything wrong with that particular function in -fixes |
| [14:20:40] | mzb_d800: | I have 1x wmplayer image on work machine for editing, and 1x freenx to (old) workstation for *everything else* ... no way does editing work over freenx |
| [14:20:52] | mzb_d800: | justinh: ^^ |
| [14:20:59] | mzb_d800: | s/vmplayer |
| [14:21:07] | sebrock: | GreyFoxx, Im using fixes. Are you refering to wheater or movie posters? |
| [14:21:17] | GreyFoxx: | seb: Movie posters |
| [14:21:18] | mzb_d800: | (I've tried) |
| [14:21:23] | GreyFoxx: | I don't use any of the mythweather stuff |
| [14:21:53] | GreyFoxx: | The machine I'm IRCing from is a VM |
| [14:21:56] | sebrock: | symlinks doesnt work at all |
| [14:21:59] | GreyFoxx: | and has been for several years |
| [14:22:07] | GreyFoxx: | not 1 crash or problem |
| [14:22:35] | justinh: | works here, with patience |
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| [14:23:00] | Virindi: | VMWare? The host doesn't freeze for like 10 seconds everytime you start or stop the VM? |
| [14:23:08] | GreyFoxx: | vir: nope, never |
| [14:23:11] | Virindi: | hmmmm |
| [14:23:18] | justinh: | gawd no, I'm a mere mortal & have no need of virtualisation |
| [14:23:26] | GreyFoxx: | Virin: I literally have 120 or more active running virtuals over a couple dozen hosts |
| [14:23:31] | GreyFoxx: | never had the problem you describe |
| [14:23:31] | sebrock: | GreyFoxx, I have this symlink in mythweb: /data/video -> /var/Files/200GB/Movies/ |
| [14:23:49] | mzb_d800: | Virindi: never seen that |
| [14:23:53] | sebrock: | but when I try to access a movie it says: The requested URL /data/video/var/Files/200GB/Movies/300.mkv was not found on this server. |
| [14:24:17] | Virindi: | probably because I'm running it on a fedora box, haha |
| [14:24:20] | GreyFoxx: | seb: I've never trying to play a movie from there, I only use the imdb functions |
| [14:24:34] | GreyFoxx: | I've never trying to download it from there |
| [14:24:41] | sebrock: | what happens if you try? |
| [14:24:59] | mzb_d800: | Virindi: there's a chance the experience might turn you away from rpm-distros ;) |
| [14:25:07] | Virindi: | I HATE RPM |
| [14:25:10] | GreyFoxx: | My box at home housing all of that has some drive issues right now so I can' test it right now :) |
| [14:25:11] | Virindi: | sorry, had to say that |
| [14:25:29] | GreyFoxx: | seb: major drive failure last night, so I' |
| [14:25:43] | mzb_d800: | Virindi: so why did you get rid of Windows? |
| [14:25:59] | Virindi: | fedora: yum install xyz *machine spends 3 hours resolving dependencies*...debian: apt-get install xyz *finished in 30 seconds* |
| [14:26:10] | sebrock: | oh |
| [14:26:16] | GreyFoxx: | 'm still rebuilding the array |
| [14:26:22] | GreyFoxx: | but I can try it tomorrow :) |
| [14:26:24] | mzb_d800: | ah ... you've already seen the light ... no point in preaching ;) |
| [14:27:14] | Virindi: | Linux is easier to use than windows for me now |
| [14:27:26] | mzb_d800: | ditto |
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| [14:28:06] | Virindi: | I got really tired of, everytime I wanted to do something, either having to dig through 1000 obscure registry settings or go out and look for a tool only to find they all cost $15 |
| [14:28:07] | mzb_d800: | although, going back after all these years has been an interesting experience (from a technical point of view) |
| [14:28:25] | hyperactivecrond: | is it worth trying to set up mythtv on a ps3? i've read that the new drivers are ok, but this is going to be on a sdtv |
| [14:28:42] | Virindi: | I tried to set up a ramdisk on windows...sheesh, what a nightmare |
| [14:28:57] | mzb_d800: | I'm finding the same thing, but that instead of needing to pay for something, I know that I can do the same thing from within Linux |
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| [14:29:16] | mzb_d800: | (usually a hardware|disk-related task) |
| [14:29:31] | Virindi: | and even if you do find a tool that is free it is always on a really shady looking site |
| [14:29:53] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... free != GPL |
| [14:30:01] | hyperactivecrond: | heh ramdisk in linux is trivial |
| [14:30:03] | Virindi: | free as in cost |
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| [14:30:13] | Virindi: | free vs "Free" |
| [14:30:15] | mzb_d800: | ^ |
| [14:30:20] | mzb_d800: | yeah ;) |
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| [14:30:40] | Virindi: | I don't consider anything less than BSD license to be truly free software ;) |
| [14:31:32] | mzb_d800: | if it's in windows, as long as I can read & modify it I don't care that much |
| [14:31:36] | Virindi: | but since I don't have to pay for GPL software, it is 'free enough' |
| [14:31:45] | hyperactivecrond: | Virindi, why is the gpl only free enough? |
| [14:31:53] | mzb_d800: | in *nix ... that (can be) a different story |
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| [14:31:59] | AndyCap: | doesn't windows come with a ramdisk driver. |
| [14:32:06] | Virindi: | the way I see it, free means you can do anything you want with it |
| [14:32:25] | Virindi: | no...well, sorta |
| [14:32:29] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [14:32:35] | Virindi: | MS has a public one but it does not work with large ramdisks |
| [14:32:50] | Virindi: | there's like a 128mb limit or something |
| [14:33:07] | Virindi: | I don't remember what the limit was now but it wasn't enough for what I needed |
| [14:33:25] | AndyCap: | well, it's bigger than that. iirc. bartpe uses it |
| [14:34:21] | ** mzb_d800 hears the flurry of google-engines working in the background ** | |
| [14:34:39] | Virindi: | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/257405 |
| [14:34:59] | AndyCap: | Virindi: that one has source, fix it yourself then. :> |
| [14:35:32] | Virindi: | I don't know anything about writing a driver :) |
| [14:35:46] | mzb_d800: | s/128/10240 |
| [14:37:28] | mzb_d800: | (assuming all other things are equal) |
| [14:38:28] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [14:39:14] | Virindi: | oh, looks like it is 64mb |
| [14:39:24] | Virindi: | anyway, not enough, but in linux...trivial |
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| [14:40:30] | mzb_d800: | anyway, pumpkin hour. Goodnight all, and happy birthday to all concerned. (hic) |
| [14:40:39] | Virindi: | Night |
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| [15:17:54] | GreyFoxx: | yay, dns server update day! |
| [15:20:15] | AndyCap: | GreyFoxx: a little late aren't you? |
| [15:20:59] | GreyFoxx: | Well, A: considering details were not suppose to be released til august, and B: I'm talking about informing thousands of customers they need to update , no |
| [15:21:20] | ** GreyFoxx just did a version scan of our network and is crafting emails to users ** | |
| [15:23:22] | AndyCap: | patches have been available for a while, so either you should have rolled them out and have delayed it which is irresponsible. Or you haven't finished acceptable testing in which case rolling it out prematurely is irresponsible. |
| [15:23:30] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [15:23:54] | GreyFoxx: | I don't run the customers machines :) |
| [15:24:22] | GreyFoxx: | by "our network" I mean our entire IP segment, not my company |
| [15:24:30] | GreyFoxx: | <<-- telco/isp/colo company |
| [15:24:38] | AndyCap: | sod them then. :) either they use your secure recursing resolver or they're on their own. :P |
| [15:24:59] | AndyCap: | ok, secure is a stretch. |
| [15:25:04] | AndyCap: | fixed.. |
| [15:25:45] | ** GreyFoxx verifies that schedulesdirect.org is updated ** | |
| [15:26:41] | GreyFoxx: | It's sad, but out of the 900 or so dns servers I found on customer IP's, 2 were updated :( |
| [15:26:48] | GreyFoxx: | the rest are old, or REALLY old |
| [15:26:55] | AndyCap: | like bind 4 old? :) |
| [15:27:05] | GreyFoxx: | a few of those too |
| [15:27:08] | AndyCap: | eew |
| [15:27:17] | GreyFoxx: | more 8's than 4s though |
| [15:27:24] | GreyFoxx: | mostly 9.x |
| [15:27:28] | GreyFoxx: | but all still old |
| [15:27:54] | wagnerrp: | the update from 8 to 9 really caused problems for me |
| [15:28:14] | wagnerrp: | there was some minor configuration syntax change that broke everything |
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| [15:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | the $TTL at the top of each zone ? :) |
| [15:29:31] | wagnerrp: | maybe |
| [15:30:29] | ** GreyFoxx heads to lunch ** | |
| [15:30:33] | jduggan: | GreyFoxx: just updating now? |
| [15:30:47] | jduggan: | the day they released the exploit?? |
| [15:30:51] | GreyFoxx: | jdugg: No, I'm telling customers who haven't already to upgrade |
| [15:30:54] | jduggan: | rather than the day the advisory was released? |
| [15:30:56] | jduggan: | :P |
| [15:30:58] | jduggan: | ah |
| [15:31:06] | GreyFoxx: | and only an idiot would have done it the first day |
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| [15:31:25] | GreyFoxx: | some of us need to do testing before we deploy stuff that affects many thousands of users :) |
| [15:31:29] | wagnerrp: | i have to imagine my dinky little caching server is at minimal risk |
| [15:31:36] | GreyFoxx: | I can't just dick with the dns resolvers :) |
| [15:31:40] | jduggan: | heh |
| [15:31:51] | jduggan: | i run a datacenter |
| [15:32:03] | jduggan: | and the day after vixie announced updates, we updated |
| [15:32:13] | wagnerrp: | of course there isnt actually external access to the DNS server |
| [15:32:14] | GreyFoxx: | but we have several so I just told the loadbalancer to consider machine A to be off while I upgraded |
| [15:32:22] | GreyFoxx: | then switch every back to A |
| [15:32:31] | GreyFoxx: | and updated B, etc etc |
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| [15:32:56] | jduggan: | we have 8 nameservers, with various tasks, we migrated in pairs, no problems, carried on with others |
| [15:33:13] | GreyFoxx: | It just saddens me that weeks later so many are still vulnerable |
| [15:33:30] | GreyFoxx: | and not just that, but they are so old they are vulnerable to a multitude of exploits |
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| [15:33:37] | jduggan: | i expect nothing less |
| [15:33:41] | jduggan: | besides |
| [15:33:46] | jduggan: | the fix isnt a fix |
| [15:33:46] | GreyFoxx: | I use to run DNS scans and publish the stats on nanog |
| [15:33:49] | jduggan: | its a hack |
| [15:33:51] | GreyFoxx: | but I stopped years ago |
| [15:33:57] | jduggan: | it just increases likliness |
| [15:34:00] | jduggan: | the bug is still there |
| [15:34:34] | jduggan: | er, decreases likliness, rather |
| [15:34:49] | GreyFoxx: | After 3 audits I dropped it as a lot of complaints were coming about my trying to attack people by checking the bind versions :) |
| [15:34:53] | GreyFoxx: | www.phaze.org/dnsaudit |
| [15:34:54] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [15:35:19] | ** GreyFoxx finally goes to lunch ** | |
| [15:35:41] | jduggan: | do you post to nanog? |
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| [15:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes, but mainly only have time to read |
| [15:36:06] | GreyFoxx: | have been for almost 10 years now |
| [15:36:18] | GreyFoxx: | ok, coworkers are physically gdragging me away now |
| [15:36:20] | GreyFoxx: | bbl |
| [15:36:26] | jduggan: | laters |
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| [16:49:17] | jarle: | I am testing out nuvexport for the first time, Any reason why the original resolution for the recording is not the default setting? |
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| [16:51:28] | xris: | jarle: not sure what you mean |
| [16:54:12] | jarle: | xris: I have a 528x576 recording, and nuvexport says "Width? [512]" and "Height? [400]" indicating that it will use those settings if I do not specify the dimension manually.. |
| [16:55:13] | jarle: | xris: I would like it to use the original dimension as the default one... |
| [16:56:31] | xris: | you'll have to set that in nuvexportrc |
| [16:56:38] | xris: | there's no setting to inherit the dimensions |
| [16:58:06] | jarle: | xris: so there is no way to say that "I like the recording like it is, please just export it to xvid, but keep the rest like it is"? |
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| [17:00:02] | xris: | not really.. no one's ever really asked for it. |
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| [17:00:23] | xris: | the problem is that stuff like mpeg2 allows anamorphic recordings, but avi and many other formats don't |
| [17:00:31] | xris: | which is why I set up profiles. |
| [17:01:44] | justinh: | avi assumes square pixels? never knew that :) |
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| [17:03:23] | justinh: | shows how often I mess with it |
| [17:03:43] | xris: | yeah. only allows square pixels. quite annoying. |
| [17:03:52] | xris: | one of the many reasons isaac wasn't able to use it for myth |
| [17:04:15] | ** jduggan needs to get a remote working for his office tv screen ** | |
| [17:04:16] | justinh: | reminds me, I need to get around to hacking mythweb's streaming to 16:9 |
| [17:05:05] | jduggan: | ive been using a 17" CRT as a TV (dual head) for about 12months now and using thekeyboard, need to sort that |
| [17:05:05] | wagnerrp: | justinh: thats entirely a function of the flash player isnt it? |
| [17:05:08] | jarle: | xris: so If I want to export to a mediaplayer with a 640 x 480 display (Archos 750) What is the "best" settings to use? |
| [17:05:12] | justinh: | I won't be a frequent user of it, but all the same I find EWRONGASPECT annoying |
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| [17:05:22] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I dunno – never looked at it |
| [17:05:29] | jarle: | xris: Archos 705 actually.. |
| [17:05:32] | xris: | jarle: I have no idea what formats it supports |
| [17:06:39] | jarle: | xris: I was mostly thinking about getting a suitable resolution (when it comes to decoding it will play most formats) |
| [17:07:59] | jarle: | xris: I guess that any resolution above 640x480 will just be a waste of bytes.. |
| [17:08:04] | wagnerrp: | oh, the flash player autosizes |
| [17:08:29] | wagnerrp: | you just need to run an ffmpeg pass first to output the resolution of the video |
| [17:08:38] | xris: | yeah. you're better off doing a little cropping to get rid of overscan (if you have it), and then just pick the next available size down (some formats needs sizes in multiples of 4, or 16, etc) |
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| [17:12:18] | jarle: | xris: If I am recoding several files with different resolution I would like to avoid having to enter different settings for each file... There is not a place where I can tell nuvexport to "never export to any resolution higher than 640x480"? |
| [17:13:04] | wagnerrp: | well for each recording profile, you need a transcoding profile as well |
| [17:14:36] | xris: | jarle: pretty much what wagnerrp said. I actually have different profiles for different shows... different crop settings because some channels/shows have more overscan, or are in a different resolution,et c. |
| [17:16:52] | jarle: | xris: ok, but I just want to use it to transcode a bunch or pre-recorded stuff so I can put it on my portable player, it is not supposed to be a automatic transcoding of each show being recorded. |
| [17:17:49] | xris: | jarle: yeah. I only archive a few things |
| [17:18:11] | xris: | but you can use profiles for whatever you want.. so could use: ./nuvexport --profile smallxvid --title stargate |
| [17:18:26] | xris: | and it'd encode all "stargate" shows to whatever sizes/mode are set up in smallxvid profile |
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| [17:22:35] | jarle: | xris: and how about keeping the aspect ratio? Can I tell it that I'd like it to scale to width=640 and keep the aspect ratio? |
| [17:22:56] | xris: | yeah, it's usually smart that way |
| [17:23:08] | xris: | esp. if you use a format that supports anamorphic display. |
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| [17:27:12] | jarle: | xris: hmmmmmm..... -> http://pastebin.ca/1082015 |
| [17:28:13] | xris: | ick |
| [17:28:24] | xris: | follow --debug info in the wiki |
| [17:28:31] | xris: | sounds like something's up with your ffmpeg, though |
| [17:30:28] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm well i got analog working on hvr 1800 |
| [17:30:39] | SHADOW__X1: | but video card isnt conifgured right |
| [17:30:40] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [17:30:44] | SHADOW__X1: | i cant win |
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| [17:39:14] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm i got that |
| [17:39:15] | SHADOW__X1: | yay for me |
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| [17:45:10] | rambo3: | ola |
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| [17:48:42] | famicom_: | lulz |
| [17:48:49] | famicom_: | YOU ARENT Karadzic |
| [17:48:53] | famicom_: | HE'S IN JAIL!!!1 |
| [17:49:01] | wagnerrp: | ? |
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| [17:49:31] | Karadzic: | please do not insult me the greatest defender of Europe |
| [17:50:01] | XLV: | he's the real Karadzic , the one in jail is an impersonator |
| [17:50:02] | Karadzic: | against invading English people who should stay of the continent |
| [17:50:49] | XLV: | and all things considered, that doesnt sound so crazy |
| [17:54:06] | XLV: | in wiki, some atsc hauppauge pci-e tuners are refered to as supported, how about dvb-t versions? or even dvb-s ones? |
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| [17:57:28] | Karadzic: | google a bit |
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| [18:11:32] | SHADOW__X1: | hey mkrufky i actually had it working for once so i can agree it works |
| [18:12:59] | iamlindoro_: | \o/ |
| [18:13:53] | justinh: | don't forget Karadzic is a fan of chess & has been (impatiently) waiting for a chess plugin for mythtv since 2005 |
| [18:14:08] | SHADOW__X1: | what iamlindoro_ |
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| [18:14:19] | iamlindoro_: | SHADOW__X1: That your card works |
| [18:14:46] | andreax: | a chess plugin would be nice, even for online duels... hrhr |
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| [18:15:03] | justinh: | all it needs is somebody to write one! |
| [18:15:29] | jduggan: | its toooooooooooooooooooooooo f'in hot |
| [18:15:45] | justinh: | naw |
| [18:16:08] | SHADOW__X1: | yeah i am pretty surprised that i actually saw it working so yeah now i need to isntall the driver for my pctv 80 i hope i sitll get analog |
| [18:16:09] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [18:18:13] | Karadzic: | Don't forget virtual fly fishing module |
| [18:18:43] | justinh: | why not just open a terminal & watch that instead? more rivetting than golf! |
| [18:19:16] | SHADOW__X1: | iamlindoro_ that was under 2.6.26 kernel though |
| [18:19:17] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [18:19:20] | SHADOW__X1: | so maybe thats cheating |
| [18:20:20] | andreax: | justinh: No, I won't. In case I would, im damn sure my bros would misuse my lcdtv as chess club... :) |
| [18:21:20] | justinh: | talk about misappropriation of entertainment equipment |
| [18:23:40] | mkrufky: | cool, SHADOW__X1 |
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| [18:32:49] | SHADOW__X1: | nooo it no work anymore |
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| [18:35:21] | Karadzic: | Hulk smash |
| [18:36:20] | SHADOW__X1: | double fail\ |
| [18:36:23] | SHADOW__X1: | :( |
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| [18:54:11] | SHADOW__X1: | so how do uninstall the v4l-dv driver |
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| [19:00:52] | mkrufky: | SHADOW__X1: from inside the v4l-dvb tree, you can do "make unload" (as root or sudo) to remove it from memory (*never* do make load) ... to remove the drivers from the kernel (on the hard drive) do "make rminstall" (as root or sudo) |
| [19:01:32] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm thanks i want to try another tree this one stopped analog from working |
| [19:03:38] | SHADOW__X1: | atleast i know the quality from the analog side is good |
| [19:03:39] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [19:03:43] | SHADOW__X1: | better than framegrabber |
| [19:05:39] | mkrufky: | omg the people in my office are sooooo strange |
| [19:05:43] | mkrufky: | (i fit in quite well) |
| [19:06:45] | SHADOW__X1: | example? |
| [19:09:26] | jarle: | xris: you still there? |
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| [19:14:29] | justinh: | people in the place I work are strange. if you think I'm daft, gawd ;-) |
| [19:15:05] | mkrufky: | its hard to really pick out an example, SHADOW__X1.... maybe some times you might notice stoth and i speaking nonsense to each other on irc — usually song lyrics to a flight or the conchords episode or something |
| [19:15:10] | mkrufky: | lol, just |
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| [19:16:37] | justinh: | there's one software guy who is the spitting double of the creepy reverend in Poltergeist. he walks around the place without his shoes on & sounds for all the world like a herd of elephants |
| [19:17:15] | justinh: | when he walks past the lab, you can feel the vibrations through the floor |
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| [19:18:15] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [19:18:20] | mkrufky: | thats really something |
| [19:18:50] | justinh: | we figure that's got to be hurting his feet |
| [19:20:05] | justinh: | another guy sits at his desk all day wearing headphones, head buried in driver code. somebody once asked me what he listens to & this other guy piped up "I know.. the screams of young girls". Took us a while to stop laughing at that |
| [19:21:45] | justinh: | still, rather with with slightly cooky people in technology depts than among crazy psychos in the 'real' world eh |
| [19:23:31] | mkrufky: | LOL |
| [19:23:39] | mkrufky: | screams of young girls |
| [19:23:51] | justinh: | it's prog rock really though |
| [19:24:02] | mkrufky: | people here put on headphones too, when they try to drown out the sounds of the office |
| [19:24:18] | PatrickDK: | office? |
| [19:24:19] | mkrufky: | i pass by this one guy's cube, and he is face down on the keyboard sleeping |
| [19:24:25] | justinh: | our other office where the CEO lives most of the time is eerily silent |
| [19:24:25] | mkrufky: | apparantly its a cultural thing |
| [19:24:33] | justinh: | you can't even hear the sound of keyboards |
| [19:24:33] | mkrufky: | yeah, office. |
| [19:24:52] | mkrufky: | oh, we've got music playing and tv watching and people talking |
| [19:25:00] | PatrickDK: | not sure what an office is, I like working from home |
| [19:25:03] | mkrufky: | right now it is dead silent — very rare case |
| [19:25:14] | ** mkrufky likes working from home too >:o ** | |
| [19:25:54] | justinh: | in our lab I have to put up with the other tech playing his ipod. everything from Flock of Seagulls to David Sylvian & Half Man Half Biscuit. And hip-hop. And disco. And House, so it's not all bad |
| [19:26:21] | PatrickDK: | you haven't strangled him? |
| [19:26:31] | justinh: | not yet. it could be a lot worse |
| [19:26:37] | mkrufky: | i blast my own music after 5 on some days |
| [19:26:39] | justinh: | death by Leona Lewis, for example |
| [19:26:45] | stuarta: | eek |
| [19:26:51] | ** stuarta gets a shotgun ** | |
| [19:26:54] | mkrufky: | some times i am friendly, and listen to jazz / fusion / experimental |
| [19:27:03] | mkrufky: | other days i listen to drum & bass, techno and house |
| [19:27:12] | mkrufky: | on the electronic ^^^ days, i tend not to blast it |
| [19:27:30] | justinh: | I don't mind it so much anymore, especially since it really tends to annoy the hell out of people who wander in :D |
| [19:27:38] | PatrickDK: | heh, when I was a service tech and went to peoples houses |
| [19:27:46] | justinh: | eek! |
| [19:27:52] | PatrickDK: | I would blast out korn when I wasn't in the mood for the homeowners to be bugging me |
| [19:27:57] | mkrufky: | i think its *more* annoying when this other guy humms along to "we didnt start the fire" in his headphones |
| [19:27:57] | justinh: | I bet you saw some things in that job |
| [19:28:08] | mkrufky: | (we're in long island, and the billy joel stereotype is true) |
| [19:28:13] | PatrickDK: | justinh, things I wish never to remember |
| [19:28:28] | justinh: | "if you could see what I can see, when I'm fixing TVs", etc :P |
| [19:28:42] | justinh: | mkrufky: sneak up behind him & de-mullet him! |
| [19:33:31] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [19:33:36] | mkrufky: | hes my boss |
| [19:33:44] | mkrufky: | i can bitch, but i cant cut off his hair |
| [19:33:49] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [19:35:13] | sid3windr: | is it pointy haired? |
| [19:35:40] | sid3windr: | *read up* hm, at least it's not pointy! |
| [19:36:24] | mkrufky: | :-) |
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| [19:38:20] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [19:38:22] | SHADOW__X1: | interesting |
| [19:38:37] | SHADOW__X1: | i am still in college is this what i have to look forward too :D |
| [19:38:49] | stuarta: | sadly yes |
| [19:39:05] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm interesting |
| [19:39:58] | mkrufky: | SHADOW__X1: pick up a double major and stay an extra year |
| [19:40:02] | mkrufky: | you wont regret it |
| [19:40:22] | ** mkrufky computer science + fine arts ** | |
| [19:40:23] | mkrufky: | :-D |
| [19:40:34] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [19:40:42] | mkrufky: | i also used the extra year to throw some raves using the schools money |
| [19:40:43] | mkrufky: | but anyway |
| [19:40:48] | SHADOW__X1: | right now my major is cs but net sec |
| [19:41:10] | SHADOW__X1: | i wouldnt mind learning more cs |
| [19:41:11] | mkrufky: | s/raves/parties |
| [19:41:31] | SHADOW__X1: | when you say it that way what does that mean |
| [19:42:17] | SHADOW__X1: | and i dont party |
| [19:42:47] | SHADOW__X1: | but yeah i could see that |
| [19:43:05] | SHADOW__X1: | interesting combo of cs and fine arts though |
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| [19:43:59] | mkrufky: | you dont party? |
| [19:44:08] | SHADOW__X1: | is that ok |
| [19:44:09] | mkrufky: | what, do you stay home all day and night and watch mythtv? |
| [19:44:09] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [19:44:20] | SHADOW__X1: | uh i go out with my gf |
| [19:44:26] | SHADOW__X1: | lan parties? |
| [19:44:30] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [19:44:38] | SHADOW__X1: | i do stuff |
| [19:44:42] | mkrufky: | i think im going to draw the line here -- |
| [19:44:43] | SHADOW__X1: | just not party and drink |
| [19:44:45] | mkrufky: | no pressure |
| [19:44:49] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [19:45:11] | SHADOW__X1: | does that mean you arent going to talk anymore |
| [19:45:53] | SHADOW__X1: | i have hobbies |
| [19:46:19] | mkrufky: | lol, no |
| [19:46:38] | mkrufky: | i drift in and out of conversation ... im working on new drivers right now |
| [19:46:56] | SHADOW__X1: | ah for what series |
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| [19:47:00] | mkrufky: | when i said "draw the line here" .... i meant about my days of party throwing with other peoples money |
| [19:47:09] | SHADOW__X1: | ah ok |
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| [19:52:34] | justinh: | yay the sun has gone in so I can sit outside wif laptop |
| [19:52:47] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [19:52:47] | justinh: | and to think I was such a non-believer! |
| [19:52:54] | sid3windr: | you had a revelation with the wifi router thing ;) |
| [19:53:13] | SHADOW__X1: | what kind of wireless |
| [19:53:22] | justinh: | G, or something |
| [19:53:36] | SHADOW__X1: | ah ok |
| [19:53:42] | justinh: | the kind I can sit outside & connect to my network to surf & yabber on IRC with :) |
| [19:53:54] | justinh: | all I'd ever want from wireless |
| [19:54:03] | SHADOW__X1: | no streaming hd? |
| [19:54:13] | justinh: | and if I understand realism, about all I could realistically expect from it |
| [19:54:29] | justinh: | no HD in the UK yet |
| [19:54:51] | justinh: | unless you count er.. 3 channels & a pay service I couldn't use with mythtv anyway |
| [19:55:11] | SHADOW__X1: | oh |
| [19:55:17] | SHADOW__X1: | so hmm |
| [19:55:20] | SHADOW__X1: | that sucks |
| [19:55:23] | SHADOW__X1: | i like hd |
| [19:55:33] | justinh: | and even then, before I can get those 3 free to air channels there's a tree I need to get rid of |
| [19:55:56] | SHADOW__X1: | chop it down |
| [19:55:58] | SHADOW__X1: | or |
| [19:56:08] | SHADOW__X1: | cut enough of it off |
| [19:56:09] | SHADOW__X1: | :D |
| [19:56:21] | justinh: | it's not worth the effort yet. 3 channels! |
| [19:56:43] | justinh: | and having actually seen it, I genuinely don't think it's worth the expense |
| [19:57:08] | justinh: | I can well believe the revelation it caused in the US & Canada though – I've seen enough NTSC ;-) |
| [19:57:14] | SHADOW__X1: | its ok i dont have that many hd either |
| [19:57:46] | justinh: | that said, the test material I've played on my frontend looked much better than SDTV, even just on my standard def telly |
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| [19:57:59] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm nice |
| [19:58:02] | SHADOW__X1: | i need a better tv |
| [19:58:13] | SHADOW__X1: | i think the tube is going bad |
| [19:58:23] | SHADOW__X1: | sometimes i get funny colors in certain spots |
| [19:58:27] | justinh: | had ours almost 10 years now & still going strong |
| [19:58:34] | justinh: | sounds like it might just need degaussed |
| [19:58:47] | SHADOW__X1: | how do i do that on a tv i cant get to the menu |
| [19:58:47] | SHADOW__X1: | ? |
| [19:58:56] | justinh: | though these days finding somebody to do it, or indeed the gear to do it could be tricky |
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| [19:59:41] | SHADOW__X1: | or save pennies and get a hdtv? |
| [19:59:50] | justinh: | I get a TV repair supplier catalogue in the post from time to time. The used to sell it all – degaussing gear, signal generators, the lot. not any more |
| [20:00:14] | sid3windr: | justinh: put the antenna in the tree! ;) |
| [20:00:18] | justinh: | by the time I'm ready to get HD there'll be much better sets at a price I can afford |
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| [20:00:32] | SHADOW__X1: | now the colors are gone |
| [20:00:47] | SHADOW__X1: | eh i am looking at a 24 inch mon with atsc tuner |
| [20:00:59] | SHADOW__X1: | my laptop spoiled me 1920x1200 is great |
| [20:01:23] | justinh: | my inlaws have a 42" LCD. SDTV from Freeview looks awful on it |
| [20:01:31] | justinh: | lego! |
| [20:01:49] | SHADOW__X1: | well |
| [20:01:55] | SHADOW__X1: | dont do sd on a ddtv |
| [20:02:25] | justinh: | if that's all you can get – and let's face it – it's what's been driving sales of 'HD ready' sets in the UK.... |
| [20:03:07] | justinh: | a lot of people seem to be under the impression that when HD comes over the air here they'll just be able to get it. If only that were true :P |
| [20:03:22] | SHADOW__X1: | how is it over there |
| [20:03:24] | SHADOW__X1: | why cant you |
| [20:03:45] | PatrickDK: | hmm, sdtv always looks bad when blown up |
| [20:03:50] | PatrickDK: | sdtv was made for a 19" screen |
| [20:03:59] | PatrickDK: | I wonder what size hdtv was made for |
| [20:04:04] | justinh: | Freeview is 720x576 MPEG2 over DVB-T |
| [20:04:15] | PatrickDK: | I haven't seen anything saying, I would guess 36" or so |
| [20:04:23] | justinh: | free to air HD in the UK is very likely to be h.264 on DVB-T2 |
| [20:04:36] | justinh: | never the twain shall meet |
| [20:04:44] | PatrickDK: | if you blow hdtv up to say, 100" it's going look just as bad as sdtv at 42" |
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| [20:05:14] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [20:05:18] | SHADOW__X1: | interesting |
| [20:06:06] | ** sid3windr had a 3840x2040 monitor in a while back ** | |
| [20:06:15] | sid3windr: | I don't know how many inch it was, but it was s-w-e-e-t ;) |
| [20:06:21] | PatrickDK: | I was watching dvd on a 56" hdtv, it was horrid |
| [20:06:30] | SHADOW__X1: | what happened to it sid3windr |
| [20:06:39] | sid3windr: | nothing |
| [20:06:41] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [20:06:48] | sid3windr: | we used it at a demo stand on a fair |
| [20:06:56] | SHADOW__X1: | justinh: wouldnt h.264 need less bandwidth but more processing |
| [20:06:59] | SHADOW__X1: | ah |
| [20:07:02] | SHADOW__X1: | do you still have it |
| [20:07:06] | sid3windr: | I can tell you most media players aren't happy with that kind of resolution |
| [20:07:11] | sid3windr: | no, it was on loan from barco |
| [20:07:16] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [20:07:24] | sid3windr: | it's not for sale yet either |
| [20:07:30] | SHADOW__X1: | what media player used it |
| [20:07:34] | sid3windr: | but will be priced around 52000 EUR if I'm not mistaken |
| [20:07:38] | SHADOW__X1: | or was able to rather |
| [20:07:44] | SHADOW__X1: | oh ok |
| [20:07:48] | sid3windr: | I don't remember, I wasn't actually in charge of the thing |
| [20:07:50] | SHADOW__X1: | isnt that more than a car |
| [20:07:51] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [20:07:54] | sid3windr: | yes, it's a nice car |
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| [20:08:00] | sid3windr: | but it's also a quad hd monitor |
| [20:08:09] | sid3windr: | I think it was 40" or so |
| [20:08:09] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [20:08:16] | sid3windr: | hm no larger |
| [20:08:27] | sid3windr: | wait, let me get my cm to inch converter in my head |
| [20:08:36] | sid3windr: | yeah larger than 40" |
| [20:08:38] | SHADOW__X1: | i want WUXGA in lower size |
| [20:08:44] | sid3windr: | and required a specific nvidia quadro to work |
| [20:08:49] | sid3windr: | 2x dual link :) |
| [20:08:54] | SHADOW__X1: | nice |
| [20:09:03] | sid3windr: | 1500 EUR for the quadro, too ;/ |
| [20:09:06] | SHADOW__X1: | well thats alot of picture to drive |
| [20:09:08] | SHADOW__X1: | yay |
| [20:09:08] | sid3windr: | that wasn't on loan :P |
| [20:09:12] | SHADOW__X1: | just go broke |
| [20:09:19] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [20:09:24] | wire is now known as kor | |
| [20:09:25] | sid3windr: | it all fits in the marketing budget |
| [20:09:26] | SHADOW__X1: | i like watching top gear when they buy cheap cars and kill em |
| [20:09:27] | justinh: | remortgage your house! |
| [20:09:34] | sid3windr: | it's not for home use ;) |
| [20:09:42] | ** justinh wonders if Top Gear is made in HD ** | |
| [20:09:43] | sid3windr: | monitor is actually meant for military use |
| [20:09:52] | sid3windr: | strategic planning and such |
| [20:10:01] | SHADOW__X1: | damn miilitary they should share with me |
| [20:10:03] | sid3windr: | you don't do much with a 100" monitor if the resolution is 1366x768 |
| [20:10:09] | sid3windr: | no details and such |
| [20:10:16] | sid3windr: | we maximized firefox on it and opened googlemaps |
| [20:10:16] | justinh: | doubt it, judging by the sheer number of camera they use on location – unless they spend *days* redoing everything from all the different angles |
| [20:10:29] | sid3windr: | took a while to stream everything in ;) |
| [20:10:34] | sid3windr: | (on a 45Mbit internet connection) |
| [20:10:45] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [20:10:48] | sid3windr: | justinh: I thought bbc was going to do everything in HD ? |
| [20:10:49] | SHADOW__X1: | out ragious |
| [20:10:58] | justinh: | sid3windr: not for a long time |
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| [20:11:02] | sid3windr: | oh. :) |
| [20:11:07] | justinh: | major productions, yes – but not even Dr Who! |
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| [20:11:31] | justinh: | maybe they just don't like the idea of quadrupling the FX rendering costs |
| [20:11:54] | SHADOW__X1: | i will take their old computers |
| [20:12:05] | SHADOW__X1: | record everything |
| [20:12:07] | kor is now known as wire | |
| [20:12:11] | SHADOW__X1: | go broke on tuners |
| [20:12:20] | SHADOW__X1: | 1 for every channel |
| [20:12:20] | justinh: | went to see Wall-E last night. Like :-O |
| [20:12:20] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [20:12:38] | SHADOW__X1: | hey justinh did you get anything from that movie |
| [20:12:41] | justinh: | SHADOW__X1: with digital TV you only need one tuner per multiplex/transport now |
| [20:12:53] | SHADOW__X1: | i uh kinda feel like they are making fun of something |
| [20:13:08] | SHADOW__X1: | justinh: i know mythtv supports up to 5 streams |
| [20:13:13] | justinh: | consumerism got a good poke in the eye, I reckon |
| [20:13:24] | SHADOW__X1: | or i guess 5 transports? |
| [20:13:29] | justinh: | SHADOW__X1: or more, if you change one line of code |
| [20:13:34] | SHADOW__X1: | ah |
| [20:13:35] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [20:13:44] | SHADOW__X1: | the list of tuners is too long for my taste |
| [20:13:46] | justinh: | I had myth recording 10 shows from one tuner on my dev box |
| [20:13:47] | SHADOW__X1: | i have it at 4 each |
| [20:14:00] | justinh: | it could've been more |
| [20:14:09] | SHADOW__X1: | and yeah consumerism got jabbed in my eye i am glad its showing kids |
| [20:14:23] | SHADOW__X1: | i dont have that many channels on one multiplex |
| [20:14:36] | justinh: | I'm just glad the love story angle wasn't too sentimental |
| [20:14:56] | justinh: | brave of them to feature so little dialogue too, I thought |
| [20:14:57] | SHADOW__X1: | agreed |
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| [20:15:12] | SHADOW__X1: | its a kid movie |
| [20:15:20] | SHADOW__X1: | most kids are ok with colors and bouncing bunnies |
| [20:15:28] | justinh: | PIxar whoops Dreamworks' ass when it comes to animation though, as ever |
| [20:15:37] | justinh: | and rendering |
| [20:15:39] | justinh: | and plot |
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| [20:15:47] | SHADOW__X1: | anything else |
| [20:15:49] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [20:16:05] | justinh: | character development? ;) |
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| [20:16:40] | justinh: | seriously for a 'kids' film it was great – but then people use 'kids film' as some kind of slur sometimes |
| [20:17:06] | justinh: | did you spot all the Easter eggs though? |
| [20:17:13] | justinh: | red's ball, etc |
| [20:17:22] | justinh: | oops, not red.. Luxo |
| [20:17:37] | justinh: | Luxo's ball texture was on the floor in Red's Dream |
| [20:17:48] | AndyCap: | luxo jr? |
| [20:17:56] | justinh: | yeah |
| [20:18:19] | justinh: | oops forgot about the short before the main feature too – that was a bit on the good side also |
| [20:18:21] | kormoc: | I don't remember a thing being named Red in Wall-e |
| [20:18:50] | justinh: | kormoc: Luxo Jr's ball was in a background in wall-e |
| [20:19:05] | ** AndyCap likes for the birds. ** | |
| [20:19:08] | justinh: | I spotted that one but there are heaps more apparently |
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| [20:19:39] | justinh: | not enough of a Pixar nerd to have seen any others |
| [20:19:44] | kormoc: | heh |
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| [20:19:55] | AndyCap: | justinh: must be on youtube |
| [20:20:07] | kormoc: | I wonder how many plush pixar toys were in the junkyard |
| [20:20:10] | kormoc: | and for the birds ++ |
| [20:20:19] | AndyCap: | krooaarrrk |
| [20:20:54] | justinh: | Wall-E got tangled up in Sputnik while leaving Earth.. heh how convenient |
| [20:20:59] | AndyCap: | http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMmVXOWe5o0 |
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| [20:24:16] | SHADOW__X1: | which v4l-dvb drivers are included in the 2.6.26 kernel |
| [20:24:20] | SHADOW__X1: | the main tree or a sep one |
| [20:25:15] | justinh: | probably the main tree |
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| [20:26:10] | SHADOW__X1: | for some reason reboot on my mythmachine no worky |
| [20:31:44] | justinh: | check all the modules are loaded, that the firmware is there, etc |
| [20:31:52] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
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| [21:29:54] | Ace2016_-: | i was reading this and was wondering if a computer based setup would be effected, does the tv card have onboard memory which stores the info? http://www.frequencycast.co.uk/freeviewlandfill.html |
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| [21:31:08] | sid3windr: | (affected) |
| [21:31:46] | sid3windr: | but I don't think so |
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| [21:40:08] | Ace2016_-: | you know how a log periodic aerial has an almost flat gain across the frequencies, and a wideband has poor pickup at the beginning |
| [21:40:31] | Ace2016_-: | the pickup by the log periodic is still less than the wideband so could i just use a wideband? |
| [21:40:47] | Ace2016_-: | maybe a wideband with a mast head amplifier? |
| [21:43:50] | Ace2016_-: | wolfbane said Log periodic but its more expensive so i though i'd go with a big wideband |
| [21:45:18] | Ace2016_-: | i know crystal pallace is Group A now but will it stay like that forever |
| [21:45:44] | Ace2016_-: | ffs why do these log periodic things exist? |
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| [21:46:51] | Ace2016_-: | why bother using them if they have such a low gain? |
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| [21:57:08] | SHADOW__X1: | after you copy over the firmware is there a command to reload the card or to rededect it other than rebooting |
| [21:57:08] | SHADOW__X1: | ? |
| [21:57:44] | Ace2016_-: | rmmod the module and modprobe it again |
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| [21:58:16] | SHADOW__X1: | how do i know whihch module |
| [21:58:57] | Ace2016_-: | aren't you following a howto? |
| [21:59:29] | SHADOW__X1: | nope :) |
| [21:59:40] | SHADOW__X1: | eh its fine ill reboot |
| [21:59:50] | SHADOW__X1: | i remember t he modules for one of my cards not the other |
| [22:00:27] | SHADOW__X1: | there isnt an "official" howto for my card |
| [22:00:35] | SHADOW__X1: | one of them yes the other no |
| [22:01:36] | SHADOW__X1: | freaking reboot doesnt work on this kernel |
| [22:01:53] | SHADOW__X1: | i am about to compile 2.6.26 again and make sure i check everything that i need and just use that |
| [22:01:59] | SHADOW__X1: | works better |
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| [23:02:40] | SHADOW__X: | i am installing the 2.6.26 kernel on mythbuntu does anyone know where the iirc option is for my mce remote to work i have done this before and last time my remote didnt work |
| [23:02:50] | SHADOW__X: | :D |
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| [23:07:19] | wagnerrp: | the 'if i remember correctly' option? |
| [23:08:05] | SHADOW__X: | well i am using make menuconfig to customise the kernel and dont knwo where iirc options are |
| [23:08:25] | wagnerrp: | yes... iirc = 'if i remember correctly' |
| [23:08:36] | SHADOW__X: | oh |
| [23:08:40] | wagnerrp: | perhaps 'lirc'? |
| [23:08:40] | SHADOW__X: | lirc then? |
| [23:08:45] | wagnerrp: | lirc is an external module |
| [23:08:46] | SHADOW__X: | yes i was mistaken |
| [23:08:49] | wagnerrp: | not part of the kernel |
| [23:08:50] | SHADOW__X: | oh |
| [23:08:54] | SHADOW__X: | so i just had to laod it |
| [23:08:58] | SHADOW__X: | :( |
| [23:09:04] | wagnerrp: | but since its a kernel module, you will have to recompile it every time you recompile the kernel |
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| [23:15:06] | SHADOW__X: | how would i go about that |
| [23:15:26] | SHADOW__X: | http://www.lirc.org/html/install.html |
| [23:15:28] | SHADOW__X: | i am there |
| [23:15:32] | SHADOW__X: | thought that would help |
| [23:16:50] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
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