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Sunday, July 20th, 2008, 00:07 UTC
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[00:34:14] wagnerrp: is there any way to quickly move around in mythvideo?
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[00:34:36] wagnerrp: like... jump to a letter or something
[00:35:24] wagnerrp: ive got a couple hundred movies ripped into mythvideo, and its a bit tedious to move from one end of the list to the other
[00:35:30] wagnerrp: i suppose i could set up filters...
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[00:44:12] Cyberai: Does anyone know of a way to password protect mythtv itself, not just mythweb? I'd like a screen to come up if mythtv is idle for 15 minutes or so that requires a password to get past. Is there such a thing?
[00:45:12] wagnerrp: why?
[00:45:20] GreyFoxx: myth has no such ability
[00:45:25] iamlindoro: MythTV has no built in screen locking... guess you could try to rig something up with your screensaver, though
[00:45:28] GreyFoxx: I suppose you could use a screensaver with a password
[00:45:34] wagnerrp: you can set up parental access to restrict viewing
[00:45:43] wagnerrp: based on ratings
[00:45:52] Cyberai: yeah, but only to videos
[00:46:04] wagnerrp: ah, never actually looked into it
[00:47:07] Cyberai: my tv is in my finished basement and my teenageer has her bedroom down there. My bedroom is on the 2nd floor. I'm looking for a way to prevent her from waiting until im in bed and then staying up all night watching cable.
[00:47:39] wagnerrp: turn the machine off? boot up password?
[00:47:39] Cyberai: without using cron to shut off the frontend or something. She's good with computers and would know how to restart it
[00:47:54] wagnerrp: well if shes good with computers, youre screwed
[00:48:08] wagnerrp: physical access beats any sensible level of security
[00:48:23] Cyberai: well no, I only use a tv remote and I do record things overnight sometimes
[00:48:29] joat: parental lock on the cable box?
[00:48:41] GreyFoxx: or check the logs and see if something was watched and talk to her
[00:48:41] Cyberai: she's not that good, but good enough to find the right icon and fir it up
[00:48:53] Cyberai: hmmm, good point about the logs
[00:48:59] Cyberai: hadn't thought to do that
[00:49:25] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: whoah, whoah... this is 2008, parents don't DO that
[00:49:45] Cyberai: oh no dude, I SOOOO do stuff like that
[00:49:53] iamlindoro: umm... not the logs part
[00:49:53] GreyFoxx: If I was worried about it I would
[00:50:05] iamlindoro: I meant the TALKING to their children part
[00:50:10] GreyFoxx: But I don't even hide my porn directory, it's right at the root of mythvideo
[00:50:15] GreyFoxx: so ... :)
[00:50:16] iamlindoro: What good is mythTV if it can't auto-parent, damnit??
[00:50:18] GreyFoxx: iam: hehe
[00:50:26] Cyberai: I read her email, watch her myspace, check her room once or twince a month. I talk to her too, but teens are teens
[00:51:29] wagnerrp: just make sure she keeps normal hours
[00:51:50] wagnerrp: if shes up at a normal hour, and doesnt take naps, late nights should be readily appearant
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[00:56:11] iamlindoro: Anduin: I am noticing that the SetCategory function in metadata.h is commented out (I was going to add automatically setting Genre/Category to MythVideo)... is there a reason that I should avoid doing so?
[00:56:44] wagnerrp: genre is already set by the imdb perl script
[00:57:06] wagnerrp: category seems like something should be left to the user to set
[00:57:46] iamlindoro: Ah, I see that, I had mashed the two together in my head :)
[00:57:50] iamlindoro: thanks
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[01:01:48] wagnerrp: in gallery view, is there any way to get custom images for folders?
[01:02:00] wagnerrp: like for a TV show?
[01:02:03] iamlindoro: yeah, put a file called folder.jpg or folder.png in the folder
[01:02:12] wagnerrp: really...
[01:02:15] iamlindoro: yep
[01:02:30] iamlindoro: I do it for all of mine
[01:02:46] GreyFoxx: same here
[01:03:06] GreyFoxx: though I have mine patched to look for any jpg if it doesn't find afolder.jpg
[01:03:17] GreyFoxx: so I don't have a hundred folder.jpgs laying around :)
[01:04:00] wagnerrp: thats fantastic
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[01:04:46] GreyFoxx: I've got a few patches relating to the coverimage loading and stuff I'm gonna redo once gbee completes his mythvideo mythui port
[01:04:48] wagnerrp: well shit, now i have to float around imdb for the next half hour
[01:04:59] GreyFoxx: wag: Amazon.com is a good source of them too
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[01:12:23] wagnerrp: bah, Brisco County Jr seems to be before the time of media photos
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[01:25:47] wagnerrp: is there any reason why not to let mythvideo cache a large number of images?
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[01:28:09] GreyFoxx: Its just a ram cache
[01:28:17] GreyFoxx: I have mine set to like 50 or a 100
[01:28:29] wagnerrp: well default is 50
[01:28:42] GreyFoxx: must be a 100 then
[01:28:49] wagnerrp: although i suppose that it wont speed up scrolling any
[01:28:54] wagnerrp: unless i scroll back
[01:28:58] GreyFoxx: I havbe mine patched to cache the scaled stuff too
[01:29:05] GreyFoxx: makes it MUCH faster to navigate lost of covers
[01:29:39] GreyFoxx: lots
[01:30:17] DinkyDogg: hey
[01:30:27] DinkyDogg: i'm looking for some help with my mythtv setup
[01:30:39] DinkyDogg: just got a pchdtv HD-5500 cable card
[01:30:46] DinkyDogg: i've been trying to get it to work in my Ubuntu myth setup
[01:31:02] DinkyDogg: i don't really understand a lot of what i'm doing
[01:31:09] DinkyDogg: i have comcast digital cable i'm trying to hook it up to
[01:31:16] DinkyDogg: and a schedules direct account
[01:31:20] wagnerrp: chances are you cant do that
[01:31:23] DinkyDogg: really?
[01:31:29] wagnerrp: digital cable is primarily encrypted
[01:31:39] DinkyDogg: damn
[01:31:43] DinkyDogg: that sucks
[01:31:46] wagnerrp: some people can receive most channels through a digital tuner card
[01:31:57] wagnerrp: most people can just receive the local broadcast channels
[01:32:20] DinkyDogg: i scanned for qam-64 and 256 channels
[01:32:23] DinkyDogg: only found a handful
[01:32:27] Anduin: iamlindoro: best reason to avoid it currently is the work gbee is doing on it now
[01:32:45] DinkyDogg: it found a lot of channels it called "unknown"
[01:32:49] DinkyDogg: and a couple it had names for
[01:32:53] DinkyDogg: like KQED-HD
[01:34:01] wagnerrp: well frequently on demand channels are unencrypted
[01:34:37] wagnerrp: but theyre not broadcasting anything until they get allocated
[01:35:29] DinkyDogg: hrm
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[01:35:51] wagnerrp: when i did a scan, i ended up with some 150 open channels
[01:35:59] wagnerrp: 8 were local broadcast stations
[01:36:18] wagnerrp: there were another dozen active OD channels
[01:36:22] wagnerrp: the rest were blank
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[01:37:49] DinkyDogg: how does the channel scan results match up with schedules direct?
[01:37:59] DinkyDogg: also, i don't seem to be able to download the channel listing from schedules direct anymore
[01:38:19] wagnerrp: well if you have schedules direct, you shouldnt need to do a channel scan
[01:39:03] wagnerrp: i dont know why you wouldnt be able to download a channel listing
[01:39:12] DinkyDogg: i think i was doing it wrong...
[01:39:21] DinkyDogg: do i need to run mythfilldatabase in order to download the listing?
[01:39:35] wagnerrp: schedule, yes
[01:39:41] wagnerrp: listings are done through mythtv-setup
[01:39:50] DinkyDogg: huh
[01:40:09] DinkyDogg: i hit the button to fetch listings from source, and nothing happens, and i can't select any starting channel
[01:40:15] DinkyDogg: it says to add channel listings to the sourch
[01:40:17] DinkyDogg: *source
[01:40:30] DinkyDogg: i'm running mythfilldatabase to see if that makes any difference...
[01:40:41] DinkyDogg: thanks for your help, by the way
[01:42:51] squish102: is there a way to get the same deives to get the same /dev/video? after a reboot
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[01:43:25] squish102: i have 2 tuner cards and a webcam and it is random on who gets /dev/video0 video1 and video2
[01:43:42] DinkyDogg: i've had that problem with two sound cards :/
[01:43:51] DinkyDogg: the best i could do was to blacklist the module for hte one i'm not using
[01:43:52] squish102: and then i always have to go in to each app and set them up right
[01:44:02] cesman: squish102: udev rule
[01:44:21] squish102: ok thanks cesman, ill google
[01:44:29] cesman: you're welcome
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[02:16:42] Der_Thomas: anyone around that can help me debug a problem?
[02:16:56] Der_Thomas: I just rebooted my BE and now I have NO programs scheduled for recording
[02:17:30] mzb_d800: backend running?
[02:18:21] cesman: check your logs for errors
[02:18:25] Der_Thomas: mzb_d800, yep
[02:18:37] Der_Thomas: BE running
[02:18:38] cesman: depending on your distro /var/log/mythtv
[02:18:46] cesman: first guess would be corrupt db
[02:19:09] Der_Thomas: can you run mythfilldatabase as a reqular user or do you have to run ad root?
[02:19:52] armbar: Der_Thomas: as a user
[02:20:47] Der_Thomas: hmm,
[02:20:51] Der_Thomas: from my log:
[02:20:53] Der_Thomas: 2008-07–19 22:14:00.174 Bad ANN query
[02:21:02] Der_Thomas: 2008-07–19 22:14:07.179 Unknown socket closing
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[02:23:26] Der_Thomas: also many errors when running mythfilldatabase
[02:23:48] MartinCleaver: Hey – is 7gb for 1 hour of HD video normal?
[02:23:52] cesman: Der_Thomas: no one can guess the errors...
[02:23:58] cesman: Der_Thomas: perhaps pastebin...
[02:24:06] Der_Thomas: cesman
[02:24:07] wagnerrp: sounds about right
[02:24:08] cesman: MartinCleaver: yes
[02:24:10] Der_Thomas: cesman – yep
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[02:24:16] Der_Thomas: sorry going to pastebin now
[02:24:29] Der_Thomas: http://pastebin.com/m4ae0fc97
[02:24:34] cesman: Der_Thomas: first guess would still be corrupt db
[02:24:35] MartinCleaver: wowee. That's big
[02:25:02] cesman: Der_Thomas: is mysql running?
[02:25:10] wagnerrp: peak is 8.5GB/hr
[02:25:18] MartinCleaver: ah, ok
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[02:25:31] Der_Thomas: cesman – yep mysql running
[02:25:45] MartinCleaver: and that's already compressed. So the only thing I could do is un-HD it, I suppose
[02:26:00] wagnerrp: well thats mpeg2
[02:26:13] wagnerrp: you can recompress to h.264 for about 1/4–1/5 the size
[02:26:20] MartinCleaver: ah
[02:26:43] MartinCleaver: can I get mythtv to do that automatically?
[02:26:51] MartinCleaver: is there any disadvantage to it?
[02:27:07] wagnerrp: check out mythtranscode
[02:27:18] wagnerrp: the only real advantage is size
[02:27:22] MartinCleaver: Thanks, will google
[02:27:29] wagnerrp: but its going to take an enormous amount of power to do so
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[02:30:21] cesman: Der_Thomas: I'd suggest checking the db for errors
[02:30:40] Der_Thomas: cesman – don't think I know how to do that
[02:31:42] Der_Thomas: cesman – I tried optimize_mythdb.pl before but that didn't seem to help
[02:31:44] MartinCleaver: I read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials as saying that if you mp4 the file you will get audio/video sync issues if you ever push the recording to DVD
[02:31:56] cesman: Der_Thomas: stop mysql
[02:32:22] cesman: myismchk -F -r /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/*.MYI
[02:32:23] MartinCleaver: The server I'm running backend on is a quad core – how long might it take to transcode an hour?
[02:33:12] cesman: I'd say that depends on several factors, codec, bitrate, size, etc...
[02:33:28] MartinCleaver: (myismchk is not on the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special: . . . hk&go=Go , btw.)
[02:33:49] MartinCleaver: are we talking 5 mins or 30mins?
[02:33:54] cesman: Der_Thomas: I don' t know if optimize will check the db for errors...
[02:33:57] wagnerrp: more hours
[02:34:04] MartinCleaver: ooee
[02:34:18] wagnerrp: on a dual core, i can compress DVDs at around 20fps
[02:34:43] wagnerrp: HD video is going to be considerably more intensive
[02:35:00] MartinCleaver: do you get the audio/video sync issues compressing DVDs?
[02:35:28] Der_Thomas: cesman – just came across this in the wiki:mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg
[02:35:30] wagnerrp: every so often
[02:35:40] wagnerrp: but it seems dependent on the DVD
[02:35:41] Der_Thomas: cesman – think that could help
[02:35:47] wagnerrp: some DVDs have issues, some dont
[02:35:52] wagnerrp: ive never figured out why
[02:36:21] wagnerrp: ive never been able to rip The Incredibles for that reason
[02:37:03] wagnerrp: HD video is going to be able 5x the resolution as DVDs
[02:37:23] cesman: Der_Thomas: it couldn't hurt
[02:37:45] Der_Thomas: cesman – here is the output http://pastebin.com/m7b231741 looks like everything is OK
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[02:39:23] MartinCleaver: it just means that a one hour HD tv program is not going to fit a DVD. 5GB used to seem pretty big ;)
[02:40:02] wagnerrp: well if you do commercial cutting, you can probably make it fit
[02:40:34] MartinCleaver: instead of transcoding?
[02:40:59] wagnerrp: well consider out of an hour, you get about 42 minutes of video
[02:41:37] wagnerrp: so as long as youre under 6.2GB/hr, you should be able to fit it onto a DVD
[02:41:55] wagnerrp: of course its not going to be playable in a dvd player
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[02:49:44] DinkyDogg: hey
[02:49:47] DinkyDogg: can someone help me debug a problem?
[02:49:56] DinkyDogg: i can't retrieve channel listing from Schedules Direct
[02:50:11] DinkyDogg: i can do it from a different comp, and my membership hasn't expired
[02:50:28] DinkyDogg: is there a log file that might give more info on the problem?
[02:50:59] brewmaster: is there an easy way to get the firmware for my kworld 120 card without installing windows?
[02:51:11] mzb_d800: DinkyDogg: add a log option to mythfilldatabase in the FE?
[02:51:22] mzb_d800: brewmaster: google (plf might have something)
[02:51:42] brewmaster: plf?
[02:53:21] mzb_d800: penguin liberation f... ??
[02:53:48] DinkyDogg: FE?
[02:53:52] DinkyDogg: oh
[02:53:53] DinkyDogg: frontend
[02:54:04] mzb_d800: brewmaster: have you worked out the name of the firmware file it's looking for?
[02:54:06] DinkyDogg: i'm not even getting as far as mythfilldatabase
[02:54:12] DinkyDogg: i can't retrieve even the channel listing
[02:54:19] DinkyDogg: like, the numbers, from schedules direct
[02:54:21] DinkyDogg: i was able to earlier
[02:54:23] mzb_d800: then the log option will help you
[02:54:38] DinkyDogg: k, lemme check it out
[02:54:44] mzb_d800: (that, and running it manually as the correct user)
[02:54:54] mzb_d800: there's a note about this in the wiki, iirc
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[03:00:43] mzb_d800: brewmaster: didn't you say that your 120 was DVB? Posts I'm reading suggest it's ATSC
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[03:01:57] mzb_d800: (or am I just reinforcing my ignorance?;)
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[03:02:20] brewmaster: not, sure, as i'm pretty ignorant myself
[03:02:28] brewmaster: atsc == digital OTA
[03:03:21] brewmaster: so yeah, i think it's the same...
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[03:04:37] mzb_d800: err atsc != dvb (afaik)
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[03:09:00] mzb_d800: brewmaster: so have you worked out the name of the firmware it's looking for?
[03:09:03] GreyFoxx: ??]
[03:09:17] GreyFoxx: '[
[03:09:24] mzb_d800: ;)
[03:09:49] mzb_d800: (and|or used the get_dvb_firmware script?
[03:10:14] brewmaster: doing that now...
[03:10:22] brewmaster: not sure on the name...
[03:10:32] brewmaster: check this out
[03:10:34] brewmaster: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HP_Z556_ . . . 3_Chipset.29
[03:10:42] brewmaster: different card, but same chipset
[03:10:48] brewmaster: cx23880/1/2/3
[03:11:12] brewmaster: is it safe to say that i can do the same as on that page?
[03:11:23] brewmaster: i.e., get the nxt2004 firmware?
[03:11:41] mzb_d800: possibly .. can't you just check your syslog?
[03:11:48] mzb_d800: dmesg | grep firmware
[03:12:06] mzb_d800: (rather than stabbing blindly in the dark?)
[03:12:35] mzb_d800: err... hang on
[03:12:37] brewmaster: no output
[03:12:57] mzb_d800: hmm ... dmesg | less
[03:13:00] mzb_d800: and browse
[03:13:08] mzb_d800: esc:q
[03:13:11] mzb_d800: to quit
[03:13:34] mzb_d800: (I don't think I've got anything requiring firmware plugged in anymore)
[03:14:06] mzb_d800: /dvb
[03:14:09] mzb_d800: to search
[03:14:28] mzb_d800: (or similar)
[03:15:50] brewmaster: no dvb
[03:16:57] mzb_d800: what kernel are you running? $ uname -r
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[03:17:42] brewmaster: 2.6.24–19
[03:17:57] brewmaster: iamlindoro said that my card works with that kernel
[03:18:05] brewmaster: hang on, let me post some output
[03:18:09] brewmaster: looks useful
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[03:19:43] brewmaster: http://pastebin.ca/1077266
[03:20:24] mzb_d800: //www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg30097.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg30097.html
[03:22:40] brewmaster: hmm
[03:22:59] brewmaster: iamlindoro said it's mainline hg
[03:23:09] brewmaster: no longer experimental
[03:23:39] brewmaster: ah, there we are
[03:23:49] brewmaster: card #48 in my pastebinned output
[03:24:03] brewmaster: still doesn't answer the firmware question...
[03:24:46] mzb_d800: forget it ... maybe it doesn't need it (who knows?) ... you've not proven or disproven the theory yet ...
[03:25:03] mzb_d800: and now after all this time you've noticed you haven't even got the module configure!
[03:26:32] brewmaster: heh, believe me, my ignorance on this issue is second to none...
[03:26:46] mzb_d800: ps: #48 doesn't look like the right model
[03:27:33] brewmaster: oh shit, i must be sleepy
[03:27:38] mzb_d800: being in mainline hg is a different thing to being in your standard kernel package
[03:28:00] mzb_d800: so have you installed v4l-dvb from mainline?
[03:28:29] mzb_d800: or are you still f0rking around with the original v4l with mythbuntu?
[03:29:14] brewmaster: i compiled the latest source
[03:29:36] brewmaster: before i left this morning, i managed to get /dev/video0 to pop up
[03:29:41] brewmaster: which wasn't there before
[03:30:01] brewmaster: now i just need the /dev/dvb/* stuff to show
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[03:30:35] mzb_d800: and the posts I've read so far indicate that's all that's working so far ... you'll have to search the source
[03:30:41] brewmaster: is there any card you'd recommend trying from that list?
[03:31:36] mzb_d800: no
[03:31:39] mzb_d800: http://www.linuxtv.org/repo/
[03:37:59] mzb_d800: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=KWorld+A . . . 0linuxtv.org
[03:38:32] mzb_d800: don't "stab in the dark" ... you will waste your time, and that anyone who tries to help you
[03:39:11] mzb_d800: it is not likely that you will "fluke" the right combination of buttons+switches to get it to work
[03:41:06] mzb_d800: //www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg26475.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg26475.html
[03:42:55] mzb_d800: //www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg27133.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg27133.html
[03:43:53] mzb_d800: http://marc.info/?l=linux-video&m=120163584127364&w=2
[03:45:25] mzb_d800: short story + you have a chance of getting this to work by Christmas
[03:45:32] mzb_d800: s/+/=
[03:45:35] mzb_d800: afaict
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[03:53:51] autojack: does anyone know what the story is with mythmusic and ALSA? volume control works elsewhere in mythtv, but not in mythmusic. from what I've read, it's because I'm using ALSA, and mythmusic only supports OSS. surely there's a way around this?
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[04:17:15] mzb_d800: I don't suppose anyone has heard of a nautilus plugin(?) for mythtv recordings? (from the point of view of file management, not necessarily for viewing)
[04:19:35] mzb_d800: brb
[04:19:41] wagnerrp: like... something that would rename the normal files to proper names?
[04:19:50] mzb_d800: err ...
[04:20:04] mzb_d800: yes, I guess
[04:20:24] wagnerrp: well you can use mythweb to delete files
[04:20:38] mzb_d800: more so that I can move recordings (and associated preview images) to move files between dirs (storage groups)
[04:20:49] mzb_d800: I don't want to delete them! ;)
[04:21:09] mzb_d800: brb
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[04:28:00] mzb_d800: something for mc would be even better
[04:28:06] wagnerrp: mythtv *should* autodetect files as long as theyre in one of the listed storage folders
[04:28:36] wagnerrp: i believe that was one of the purposes of storage folders, that you could move files at will without issue
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[04:30:21] mzb_d800: yes, that works ok ... I just want to move things around a bit ... and have the db change with them
[04:30:36] mzb_d800: ie: Keepers, Default and Alicia storage groups
[04:30:41] wagnerrp: im saying the DB doesnt need to change
[04:30:44] wagnerrp: i believe
[04:30:55] mzb_d800: hmm, I guess
[04:31:12] mzb_d800: this will all be redundant if|when I go to raid 5, I guess
[04:31:55] wagnerrp: only if theres enough storage on the one box to not warrant the additional machines
[04:32:00] mzb_d800: it's still hard to sift through all the recordings I want to put on the Keeper drive
[04:32:12] wagnerrp: drive? or machine?
[04:32:25] mzb_d800: s/drive/storage group/
[04:32:28] mzb_d800: I don't have large drives on the other machines
[04:32:40] mzb_d800: nor the network bandwidth to spare
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[04:32:50] mzb_d800: (all the tuners are in one box anyway)
[04:33:05] wagnerrp: why not just put all three drives in one storage group?
[04:33:13] mzb_d800: WAF
[04:33:28] mzb_d800: she wants all her recordings on HER drive ;)
[04:33:47] mzb_d800: that way, even if the other two are full, her recordings *should* work
[04:34:12] mzb_d800: storage group quotas might address that issue ... if there was such a feature
[04:35:25] mzb_d800: I suspect I'd best write a little script
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[04:37:57] mzb_d800: ie: if I record up to the limit on Default, there should still be room on Alicia for her to record "Bones"
[04:38:15] mzb_d800: (auto-expire inclusive)
[04:38:15] wagnerrp: well if you put in auto-expire, stuff will just get deleted to make room for new recordings
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[04:38:53] mzb_d800: and that's my point: Default (which is mostly auto-expire stuff), Alicia (which is whatever SHE wants), and Keepers
[04:38:55] mzb_d800: get it?
[04:39:11] wagnerrp: well have her recordings not auto-expire
[04:39:35] mzb_d800: no ... then my recordings (if on the same drive) get squashed
[04:39:46] wagnerrp: heh, such a quandary
[04:40:01] mzb_d800: either way, I now have 3 storage groups
[04:40:26] mzb_d800: but even if I set a recording group for a recording it's still going into Default
[04:42:20] fr0k: Howdy folks. Got myself an issue that I can't find an answer to anywhere: when startin the frontend, I get the theme images prescaling then a black screen. If I hit escape, I get the exit dialog. I'm running an nVidia GeForce 2 MX200 on the latest version of MythTV. I've found one thread in the list(http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ank;#125289) but I was using OpenGL when it ac
[04:42:20] fr0k: tually worked(I don't know what caused it to break suddenly).
[04:42:40] mzb_d800: which kind of defeats the purpose of the Storage Groups in the first place ... a bit sad
[04:43:16] mzb_d800: $ mythfrontend -v all
[04:43:56] wagnerrp: you may want to log to a file as well
[04:44:17] wagnerrp: yeah, i dont know why recording to a particular storage group would not work
[04:45:10] fr0k: http://pastebin.com/m3ccc1ec6 <-- mythfrontend -v all
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[04:49:56] fr0k: That one thread I found also talks about disabling RenderAccel, which I don't have set either.
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[04:52:33] wagnerrp: i cant find any errors in that pastelog
[04:52:45] wagnerrp: try just deleting the theme cache
[04:53:39] wagnerrp: just close mythfrontend
[04:53:50] wagnerrp: and the rm -rf ~/.mythtv/themecache/*
[04:54:21] fr0k: Done that several times. First thing I tried, actually.
[04:57:24] wagnerrp: i know ive had that problem before
[04:57:29] wagnerrp: but i dont remember what ive done to fix it
[04:57:35] fr0k: heh.
[04:57:38] fr0k: Awesome.
[04:57:44] fr0k: It seems nobody else has the problem.
[04:57:58] fr0k: I found one other instance of it on Google, from some forum, but no one replied.
[04:59:41] mzb_d800: improve your searching skills?
[04:59:44] mzb_d800: http://www.google.com/search?q=geforce+mythtv+black
[05:00:11] wagnerrp: 750GBs are now down to $90
[05:00:35] mzb_d800: SATA?
[05:00:47] wagnerrp: hitachi, $20 MIR
[05:01:01] wagnerrp: yes
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[05:01:48] mzb_d800: cheapest in .au seems to be a samsung for au$99
[05:02:04] wagnerrp: harmony 880 for $85
[05:02:50] fr0k: Hmm. mythfrontend --reset fixed the problem
[05:03:15] fr0k: I wonder what the problem actually was? Found it in relation to someone switching from Qt to OpenGL, which I did with no problems.
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[05:04:11] fr0k: Maybe it's just this old Geforce stinks with OpenGL support.
[05:04:38] wagnerrp: well i know the gf2s have not been supported by nvidia for some time
[05:05:04] wagnerrp: and theres almost no reason to run the opengl interface through mesa
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[05:07:47] wagnerrp: AFAIK, the only advantage to the opengl interface over the QT one is that the onscreen text is unaffected by the video resolution
[05:09:31] fr0k: I switched to OpenGL because it was making the menus much quicker.
[05:10:03] fr0k: There's a two to three second delay when moving through options on the main menus. The video listings in MythVideo are unaffected by it, however.
[05:10:16] fr0k: OpenGL cut the delay down to one second.
[05:10:25] fr0k: Still crappy, but somewhat more bearable.
[05:10:35] mzb_d800: greater than mx400 will give a better result (for mpeg2) with xvmc support
[05:11:23] fr0k: Alright. I can get hold of an ATI 9700 AIW tomorrow. Perhaps that would be better?
[05:11:46] fr0k: I'm not sure how well ATI is supported on Linux. Haven't looked into it recently.
[05:13:52] wagnerrp: there are fglrx drivers for all radeon cards
[05:14:01] wagnerrp: but there are mixed results with them
[05:17:17] mzb_d800: nvidia generally appears to have better results (under most circumstances)
[05:17:42] mzb_d800: 5 and 6 series have good reviews (for mythtv)
[05:17:47] fr0k: Hm. Darn.
[05:18:19] fr0k: Best I've got for free is this GeForce 2 MX200, a Matrox G400 dual-head and a ATI 9700 AIW.
[05:25:00] mzb_d800: you can probably buy a gf4 440 for $10 on ebay
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[05:27:03] mzb_d800: mx5200 would probably be 50% dearer ... and *can* have problems with heat (if passive)
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[05:40:20] leprechau: mzb_d800, http://cgi.ebay.com/nVIDIA-Geforce-FX5500-256 . . . cmdZViewItem
[05:40:24] leprechau: something like that?
[05:40:43] wagnerrp: yeah, i completely forgot that you would be needing an AGP card
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[05:41:23] mzb_d800: yeah, that would do a decent job I guess ... bit expensive
[05:41:44] mzb_d800: I bought an FX5950 ultra for about that ;)
[05:42:55] leprechau: here's a 6200 for 50
[05:44:36] wagnerrp: what would a 'double lifetime warranty' mean?
[05:44:55] leprechau: mzb_d800, can you put that dongle that gives you component video out on all of those newer nvidia cards?
[05:45:11] wagnerrp: oh, parts AND labor
[05:45:21] wagnerrp: leprechau: no
[05:45:31] mzb_d800: they are svideo only afaik
[05:45:35] leprechau: wagnerrp, what specs do I need to look for to get that?
[05:45:43] wagnerrp: its not a function of the chip, just the board
[05:45:47] mzb_d800: you're better off with an mx440 if you want older stuff
[05:45:49] wagnerrp: its up to the manufacturer
[05:45:53] mzb_d800: put this in perspective
[05:45:56] leprechau: http://cgi.ebay.com/9-Pins-SVHS-to-AV-S-video . . . cmdZViewItem
[05:45:57] mzb_d800: http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-5-64MB-nVidia-GeFo . . . 160262657352
[05:46:06] leprechau: see talking about that thing
[05:46:12] mzb_d800: 5 of them for less than the fx5500 you linked!
[05:46:47] wagnerrp: i dont know if i would trust a used card like that
[05:46:53] wagnerrp: the video out on my 440 died several years ago
[05:47:10] mzb_d800: http://cgi.ebay.com/nVidia-GeForce-4-MX-440-G . . . 200239194035
[05:47:11] leprechau: lol that's a 440
[05:47:14] leprechau: those 440s are shit
[05:47:19] leprechau: gf4s
[05:47:25] mzb_d800: you're not playing games with them
[05:47:30] mzb_d800: just video, right?
[05:47:34] mzb_d800: SD or HD?
[05:47:48] leprechau: yeah but i have a 440 now...and everyone tells me i should upgrade
[05:47:51] wagnerrp: GF4s were not shit
[05:47:55] mzb_d800: (not that it probably makes much difference)
[05:48:05] mzb_d800: I use gf4's in most of my FE's
[05:48:07] leprechau: a 440mx
[05:48:08] wagnerrp: but then the mx cards were not GF4s, but rather rebadged GF2s
[05:48:10] mzb_d800: work fine
[05:48:16] leprechau: yeah
[05:48:34] mzb_d800: as I say ... not the mx400
[05:48:41] leprechau: that's what i heard about the mx440s
[05:48:44] mzb_d800: mx420, 440 and 460 are fine
[05:51:11] mzb_d800: main FE: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)
[05:51:40] mzb_d800: bedroom FE: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] (rev a3)
[05:51:51] mzb_d800: both play SD mpeg2 without issue
[05:52:07] mzb_d800: and have xvmc support (that works)
[05:52:32] mzb_d800: bedtv: cpu MHz : 863.926
[05:52:55] mzb_d800: loungetv: cpu MHz : 997.864
[05:53:06] leprechau: what kind of cpu though?
[05:53:12] mzb_d800: P3
[05:53:18] mzb_d800: skt370
[05:53:25] leprechau: hrm
[05:53:31] leprechau: I had a p3 1Ghz as a frontend
[05:53:37] mzb_d800: and garagetv is 800 ... err maybe ... no it's a slot1 650 overclocked to 804
[05:53:37] leprechau: couldn't ever get it to play anything well
[05:53:45] leprechau: especially not PIP
[05:53:52] leprechau: it failed misserably
[05:53:57] mzb_d800: heh .. PIP is too advanced for me ;)
[05:54:08] mzb_d800: (I've only got one set of eyes)
[05:54:31] leprechau: I have 3 pvr-150s in my backend out in the garage
[05:54:59] leprechau: I had to step up to a p4 2.8+ to get decent PIP performance with a mx440 in it
[05:55:19] leprechau: but someone in here told me i could scale back the cpu quite a bit with a better graphics card in the box
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[05:57:10] mzb_d800: sounds like a fair statement ... but hard to quantify
[06:00:33] leprechau: think i found one
[06:00:52] leprechau: 6600GT that has component 1080i output support
[06:13:43] iamlindoro: Re: the ancient discussion of the Kworld 120 a few hours ago-- the digital side works fine, just needs correct firmware (and correct module loaded) but he shouldn't be seeking help here, he should be seeking it in #linuxtv
[06:15:27] iamlindoro: Now I sleep :)
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[06:33:53] wagnerrp: i seem to have destroyed my laptop
[06:34:11] wagnerrp: i found it unresponsive , and now it wont boot past the bios
[06:38:49] leprechau: it doesn'
[06:38:57] leprechau: *doesn't show anything past post?
[06:39:30] wagnerrp: well i can hit F1 or F12, and it displays 'entering bios', or 'entering boot menu'
[06:39:40] wagnerrp: but it seems to be stuck polling devices or something
[06:41:11] leprechau: hrm odd...have you tried the old taking the battery out...unplugging it and hitting the power button a few times...waiting a minute or so then starting it back up?
[06:41:49] wagnerrp: tried that, also opened up one of the bays to detach the cmos battery, no effect
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[06:44:04] leprechau: any hd activity at all after post?
[06:44:52] wagnerrp: there was not at first, but ive since pulled the drive
[06:45:58] mzb_d800: what's the meaning of the autoexpire values in the recorded db?
[06:45:59] leprechau: does it even do it's drive seek? ... ie cd activity .. then hd...?
[06:46:06] mzb_d800: 0=disabled
[06:46:09] mzb_d800: 1=enabled?
[06:46:15] mzb_d800: what does 10000 mean?
[06:48:22] wagnerrp: nope, nothing
[06:48:35] wagnerrp: i can hear the drive spin up, but no seeking
[06:48:42] wagnerrp: no cd attached
[06:53:12] leprechau: hrm
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[06:53:18] leprechau: have you tried to see if it will boot a cd?
[06:53:27] leprechau: that would at least eliminate total system failure
[06:54:10] wagnerrp: it wont get to the stage that i would be booting a CD
[06:55:54] leprechau: :/
[06:56:52] leprechau: and you've already reset the bios by taking out the cmos batt
[06:57:05] leprechau: hrm...does that model have one of the reset pinholes on the bottom?
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[06:57:44] wagnerrp: not a chance
[06:58:00] wagnerrp: although it does have some 200 odd screws that i have to remove in proper sequence to disassemble it
[06:58:12] leprechau: LOL
[06:58:15] leprechau: 200?
[06:58:31] leprechau: jesus most laptops i take apart...the bottom drops off with 12 easy
[06:58:50] leprechau: usually less
[06:59:03] wagnerrp: well the bottom has about 12
[06:59:11] wagnerrp: the keyboard can actually be removed with just 3
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[07:09:55] buntumyth: well yesterday I had scratchy sound, now I have no sound (wintv tuner card, es1968) .. line in works on sound card when I use kdetv to test. but no sound from mythtv. and of course the line is not an acceptable source anyhow due to the lack of sync. aplay -L lists my soundcard and the bt878 with no error. I have no sound in live tv or recordings, but other apps that dont capture from the tuner wo
[07:10:06] buntumyth: work fine
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[07:24:13] mzb_d800: wagnerrp: unplug things until you get bios
[07:24:24] mzb_d800: s/into *
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[07:30:26] wagnerrp: well that is the first thing i tried
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[07:33:26] wagnerrp: when you manufacturer no longer has their repair manual on their website, it probably means its time for a new laptop
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[07:39:30] wagnerrp: only $1900 for a new laptop...
[07:40:22] buntumyth: which model lappy?
[07:41:01] buntumyth: I may have a pdf of the manual, I will check
[07:41:16] buntumyth: I have a collection
[07:41:17] wagnerrp: A22p, old ass IBM
[07:41:30] wagnerrp: i had the manual floating around somewhere, but i dont remember where
[07:41:56] buntumyth: oh, that is ez unfortunately. I dont have ibm manuals
[07:42:02] buntumyth: sorry
[07:43:37] buntumyth: hrrmph found a link where you can buy it lol
[07:44:36] wagnerrp: na, i know theres a copy sitting on one of the machines at work
[07:45:47] wagnerrp: ill just hope for a lack of extra screws when i finish putting it back together
[07:48:27] buntumyth: yeah, I use a pill box to hold screws as I take things apart. each compartment for each set of screws. that way I just go back through the compartments as I reassemble, then I only have a small set for each step and do mix the screws up or lose them
[07:48:52] buntumyth: errr dont mix the screws
[07:49:08] buntumyth: I am bad about leaving the "nt" off
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[08:05:24] wagnerrp: well three spares, and some weird washer looking thing
[08:06:02] wagnerrp: i suppose i should start recovering this disk
[08:06:16] wagnerrp: thats damned shame, this laptop has served me well
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[08:24:37] wagnerrp: funny, the display has chosed my manufacturer
[08:25:06] wagnerrp: lenovo and dell are the only ones that offer a high resulution 15.4"
[08:25:17] wagnerrp: and lenovo is the only one that offers it with a matte finish
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[09:31:45] dustybin: im going to have one last research for VOIP for home usage
[09:32:10] dustybin: i want to find the cheapest service provider for free UK calls
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[10:27:38] AndyCap: dustybin: crackle, pop, screech, chop chop chop.
[10:29:21] dustybin: really that bad?
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[10:40:24] AndyCap: dustybin: nah. but there are a couple of pitfalls, cheap providers are, well, cheap. Dunno if this occurs in the UK but some ISP's have attempted to sabotage voip services other than their own.
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[10:52:45] andreax: After sleeping about it, I would find it more sensefull ending the whole frontend with the sleep timer than just stuck in the menu....
[10:54:13] andreax: In my case, I got a mbe and a client. So long the client is inside the menu, the backend will never shutdown (even not the client)... If the sleep timer would end the frontend, mythwelcome would shutdown the client (together with the backend)...
[10:55:40] andreax: In my eyes it would make much more sense, ending the frontend with the sleeptimer than kicking it back to the menu.... for the records... :)
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[11:04:41] mzb_d800: dustybin: thought of going for a combination of cheapies? If one fails ... you get the idea
[11:05:34] mzb_d800: http://backsla.sh/betamax
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[11:06:15] mzb_d800: (keep in mind that the plans change;)
[11:08:59] mzb_d800: http://www.myvoipprovider.com/blogcategory/Betamax/
[11:12:53] mzb_d800: (and that you will probably get 0 support if there is a problem)
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[11:15:20] dustybin: mzb_d800: interesting
[11:15:23] mzb_d800: (from betamax ;)
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[11:34:29] justinh: more effing firefox updates
[11:34:54] justinh: I dunno which is worse – IE getting updates every few aeons or firefox with its almost daily fixes
[11:37:49] sid3windr: firepatch tuesday!
[11:39:51] dustybin: justinh: at least ff fixes are instant
[11:40:11] dustybin: IE could stay unpatched for ages
[11:40:24] justinh: it could for all I care :)
[11:40:40] justinh: never mind the insecurity of it, it's just awful
[11:40:55] ** dustybin phishes justinh **
[11:41:29] justinh: and btw yet again, tried MCE on Vista. it's more gash than a gashy thing with a big gash in it. bloody piss-poor UI
[11:42:06] justinh: so – who gives a shite if it won't pick up a backend's upnp server? ;-)
[11:42:39] justinh: one of those things you know – I'd had the laptop a few days & got curious. needless to say I won't be running it again
[11:43:06] dustybin: heh
[11:43:36] justinh: since the EU court dropped a weight on MS from a big height for all the wired-in 'goodness' in XP, how about a massive suit for them forcing MCE on so many folks? :D
[11:46:38] dustybin: justinh: what do you think of this
[11:46:40] dustybin: http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/2008/07/10/mythtv . . . ode-release/
[11:46:47] justinh: wooo just received my set from Friday night. I couldn't remember what I was doing when Ableton fell over. Now I know. Brothers In Rhythm – Peace & Harmony is wot did it guv'nor
[11:47:24] justinh: if I had an opinion, it wouldn't be a particularly positive one
[11:47:51] dustybin: hehe
[11:47:51] justinh: what the world needs right now is not another tiny crippled frontend :)
[11:48:26] dustybin: what the world needs right now is not another OVER-SIZED BIG frontend :)
[11:48:40] justinh: the key word there is _crippled_
[11:48:48] dustybin: ok
[11:49:14] dustybin: can that little box output digital audio?
[11:49:34] justinh: certainly looks like it
[11:49:48] dustybin: remote control?
[11:50:30] dustybin: this is what it looks like with the case on
[11:50:32] dustybin: http://www.roku.com/netflixplayer/
[11:50:56] justinh: saying that, it might be worth a punt since it's only £50
[11:50:59] dustybin: $99.00 !
[11:51:08] dustybin: yep
[11:51:31] justinh: then again, I doubt it'll ever be sold in the UK, meaning you'd have to resort to dodgy ebay sellers
[11:51:41] dustybin: just order one from US
[11:52:34] dustybin: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Roku-Netflix-Player-NIB . . . 86.m63.l1177
[11:53:15] dustybin: if one day that box works with mythtv frontend + HD, ill buy a 2 of them
[11:53:57] justinh: the really important question to ask is this: have the drivers for the decoding hardware also been open sourced?
[11:54:24] justinh: if not, forget all about this daydreaming :D
[11:55:17] dustybin: "It appears that Roku might be smarter than we give them credit for. The company has just released GPL code for its $99.99 Netflix Player"
[11:55:22] dustybin: does that also mean the drivers?
[11:56:20] dustybin: if that does mean drivers, that would mean the end to all frontend HD problems
[11:57:59] dustybin: here are parts of the source code used in the player
[11:58:01] dustybin: http://www.roku.com/community/gpl_nfp.php
[12:01:51] dustybin: im not sure if the drivers are in that list
[12:04:23] justinh: 'GPL code' doesn't necessarily mean ALL the code needed to do anything *useful* with the little box
[12:05:52] justinh: aaand as ever, to run a true mythfrontend on it you'd have to jump through all the hoops to get it running on a framebuffer. Yay :-\
[12:06:43] justinh: oh, but the stb225 chip is what does the heavy lifting, and it seems there's code for that :)
[12:07:19] dustybin: now that is interesting
[12:07:28] justinh: so, maybe not *the* mythfrontend, but *a* frontend
[12:08:00] dustybin: maybe a bastardized mythtv frontend
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[12:11:12] dustybin: "Now the hard part for the developers is figuring out how to port existing code from a project like MediaMVP Media Center or starting from scratch."
[12:11:22] dustybin: what is MediaMVP ?
[12:11:43] justinh: hauppauge's SDTV media player box which eventually got hacked to run a crude frontend
[12:12:04] dustybin: ok
[12:12:06] justinh: it could play mpeg1 or (!) mpeg2
[12:12:38] justinh: I must admit I find the prospect of a small embedded player intruiging
[12:14:16] dustybin: i might buy one and hack the bastard myself
[12:15:14] justinh: hahaha, yeah right
[12:15:32] sid3windr: =)
[12:15:43] dustybin: ill reverse engineer the chips and write a frontend in pure ASM
[12:15:44] dustybin: for it
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[12:17:42] dustybin: i wonder what kind of storage it uses? i cannot see any IDE headers on the board
[12:18:09] justinh: flash, or flash
[12:18:14] ** justinh goes shopping **
[12:18:22] sid3windr: none of both.
[12:18:24] sid3windr: it's flash!
[12:18:28] sid3windr: saviour of the universe
[12:18:37] dustybin: is flash EPROM ?
[12:19:43] dustybin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory
[12:21:10] dustybin: i wonder how much space of flash memory it has
[12:21:33] justinh: doesn't matter. get it booting from USB if it has it ;)
[12:21:48] justinh: ah. doesn't. netboot it then!
[12:22:41] dustybin: aye
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[12:23:09] dustybin: the good thing about netbooting that box, a ready-made image could be created for everyone to use
[12:23:17] justinh: jep
[12:24:46] dustybin: more info
[12:24:48] dustybin: http://mythtvnews.com/2008/07/04/roku-netflix . . . ythfrontend/
[12:24:48] justinh: thing is I bet there's some lifting to be done before you can even consider netbooting
[12:25:41] dustybin: the hacking has already started!
[12:25:43] dustybin: http://forums.rokulabs.com/viewtopic.php?t=17046
[12:30:52] sebrock: isnt the actual channel picture supposed to be shown in EPG? I only have the text "Not Recording" there?...
[12:31:04] sebrock: or am I mixing it up?
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[13:17:29] justinh: depends which OSD theme you're using
[13:17:55] justinh: if you're talking about the 'browse mode' EPG
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[14:55:29] wagnerrp: anyone on here ever dealt with LCD controllers?
[14:56:00] wagnerrp: my laptop died, leaving me with an otherwise perfectly good 15" UXGA panel
[14:56:25] wagnerrp: but i have no idea how hard it is to interface those with traditional interconnects (DVI/VGA)
[14:58:03] wagnerrp: of course im wondering if its actually worth doing anything
[14:58:16] wagnerrp: considering controllers are usually several hundred dollars
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[15:29:22] wagnerrp: my laptop seems to be partially fixed...
[15:29:46] wagnerrp: it boots now, it just sits at the bios post screen for about 2 minutes before doing anything
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[16:17:14] wagnerrp: now it seems to have fully fixed itself
[16:29:24] xand: /win 90
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[17:26:57] olejl: Anyone know what decides if the Movie Times plugin will grab new data?
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[17:28:46] justinh: it's grabbed when you run it
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[17:35:04] olejl: First time I entered it ran automatically. But after that it didn't run. So I'm wondering if there is a timer or something before it will run again
[17:36:00] justinh: maybe the script checks to see if the page has been updated or not
[17:37:17] olejl: I wrote ths script myself, and ther is no such thing :)
[17:38:04] justinh: ah then maybe whatever you're using to get the page isn't overwriting the first result. check for incremental filenames
[17:41:00] olejl: I don't know what you mean with that.
[17:41:52] justinh: say you're using wget for example. if you wget the same page repeatedly, it won't overwrite the file by default
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[17:44:40] olejl: I made an early version of the script and tried to run it with Movie Times. After that it was heavily modified. So the output of this script is definately not giving the same output.
[17:45:10] justinh: you're not getting the point
[17:45:34] olejl: OK, possibly...
[17:46:34] olejl: I doesn't look like the script is initiated at all. Thats why I was wondering if it would only update once every day?
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[18:26:01] anykey_: anyone seen this? http://pastebin.com/mb7efa99
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[18:40:02] ribs: is anyone getting insane channel numbers when doing a channel scan?
[18:40:31] ribs: my freeview/dvb-t setup is showing channel numbers in the thousands, when they should be 1–100. All the channel seem to be there, but the numbers are completely wrong
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[18:45:32] joez212: hello
[18:45:58] joez212: i got mythdora working with my cable setup
[18:46:08] cesman: ribs: perhaps you specified 0 before doing the scan?
[18:46:16] joez212: i would like to try setting it up with my satellite provider
[18:46:37] joez212: i have a shuttle and pvr150 lp...
[18:46:39] cesman: joez212: do you have an irblaster?
[18:46:40] joez212: so i never got a remote
[18:46:52] joez212: ir blaster?
[18:46:59] joez212: well i got this part from a website
[18:47:14] cesman: you'll need one to control the 'cable box'....
[18:47:28] joez212: its a serial port on one end, and the IR part on the other end
[18:47:55] joez212: it reminds me of that plastic part on the front of every tv
[18:47:59] ribs: cesman: I don't understand
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[18:48:01] black_Nightmare_: hey
[18:48:07] ribs: I just pressed the scan button on mythtv-setup
[18:48:28] ribs: some of the channels are fine... others just have insane numbers. I can still view them.
[18:50:04] black_Nightmare_: not mythtv but probably still a bit related – do any of you own any lcdtv's that you use with both tv and computer at times?
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[18:50:40] joez212: cesman: i have this product
[18:50:42] joez212: RS232 IR Blaster
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[18:52:10] joez212: i believe this is what i need to change the channels on the receiver of the satellite provider
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[18:57:48] cesman: joez212: ok, so what is your question?
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[19:02:18] joez212: i dont have a remote
[19:02:22] joez212: is that going to be a problem?
[19:04:14] iamlindoro: No, having/using a remote has nothing to do with the use of your IR Blaster
[19:04:30] cesman: an ir blaster controls a 'cable box'
[19:05:20] joez212: because i have setup with my cable provider at the moment, and its able to change channels just fine
[19:05:28] joez212: i do not have a cable box top for my cable
[19:05:36] joez212: so i get only a limited amount of channels
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[19:08:21] BULLE: joez212: i havent paid attention toyoru setup, but th eonly time i have problems with using both cable and satellite, are when both sources have the same channels, then myth gets all wierd
[19:08:58] BULLE: joez212: simple solution then is to just name the channels differently, even though they are the same, it works pretty ok, some minor issues, but thats all
[19:09:04] inful: Is the following scenario possible: One mythtv-server with PVR-350, one mythtv-frontend. Using the frontend, I would like to have the recorded shows played through the PVR-350 on the server (which is connected to the TV)?
[19:09:22] joez212: bulle: thanks for the info
[19:10:46] BULLE: inful: but the server and frontend are still running on separate computers ?
[19:10:58] inful: bulle: Yes
[19:11:23] BULLE: inful: afaik the frontend does the playback, the server recording, so no that would not work, but why not just run the frontend on the server ?
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[19:12:43] inful: bulle: I used to, but ubuntu 8.04 broke X on the PVR-350 framebuffer. This would be a workaround
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[19:17:57] dustybin: this would make a very nice backend server case
[19:17:59] dustybin: http://overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-094-LL
[19:18:23] dustybin: 6x 120mm fans <-- now thats what one would call 'coooool'
[19:19:38] dustybin: 3.5" internal x 10 <-- perfect for HD recording
[19:21:19] AndyCap: dustybin: lian li has a cube case as well. if you want room for disks
[19:22:08] dustybin: heres the review of that case
[19:22:08] dustybin: http://hardwarelogic.com/news/135/ARTICLE/1311/2007-08-21.html
[19:22:14] dustybin: AndyCap: how many disks can the cube hold
[19:23:04] dustybin: look at the position of the 120mmm fans and the hard drive rack
[19:23:06] dustybin: http://www.hardwarelogic.com/articles/reviews . . . ilt_Side.jpg
[19:23:09] dustybin: perfek!
[19:23:20] dustybin: the case is a beast
[19:23:47] Dagmar_: You're not going to be able to hear very well over those fans.
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[19:24:04] dustybin: Dagmar_: you can buy silent 120mm fans, i use 2 already on my backend
[19:24:08] AndyCap: dustybin: depends on how you mount them. at least 18. perhaps 24.
[19:24:13] justinh: here's a great backend case for most people who come in here asking for advice: http://tinyurl.com/223rpn
[19:24:28] dustybin: LOL
[19:24:33] Dagmar: Six of them is going to make noise, regardless.
[19:24:44] dustybin: Dagmar: aye true
[19:24:47] justinh: just put all the hardware in that, problem solved!
[19:24:51] Dagmar: You'd have to practically grommet and foam the entire inside of the case to dampen that
[19:25:45] Dagmar: Antec NSK2480 == full of win for frontends
[19:26:01] Dagmar: That Lian Li would make a fine backend box tho
[19:27:25] dustybin: Dagmar: this would be any ordinary backend, this will be a HD backend :P
[19:27:37] dustybin: and not forgetting a zoneminder server, mail server etc
[19:27:58] AndyCap: dustybin: http://www.xoxide.com/lian-li-pc-343b-case.html
[19:28:17] dustybin: AndyCap: bloody 'eck ive never seen that before
[19:28:40] dustybin: meals on wheels? hard drives on wheels?
[19:29:13] AndyCap: dustybin: out of stock though http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-098-LL
[19:29:22] Dagmar: dustybin: Don't you think 10 terabytes is going to be enough space?
[19:29:36] dustybin: lol
[19:29:42] Dagmar: Ten 3.5 bays is quite a lot
[19:29:45] dustybin: i was thinking about 4/5 TB
[19:29:56] dustybin: for HD recording
[19:30:07] dustybin: another disk for zoneminder
[19:30:08] Dagmar: Always plan cases for _next years_ hard drive peaks
[19:30:14] dustybin: and another disk for OS
[19:30:15] Dagmar: So, that'll be 1Tb drives.
[19:30:34] Dagmar: Ya do this because cases don't become obsolete excepting in decadely increments
[19:31:02] dustybin: what happens when solid state comes alive
[19:31:31] dustybin: maybe the death of the hard drive is around the corner
[19:31:40] Dagmar: Nothing,
[19:31:45] Dagmar: ...and it's not.
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[19:32:10] Dagmar: Solid state has a good ten years before it'll catch up, although we're pretty damn close to singularity state now
[19:32:36] Dagmar: It's rough predicting two years development ahead, but at least I've a good idea of what's supposed to be ready in two years *now*
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[19:33:12] Dagmar: Solid state won't be cost effective for anything but caching and should likely be standard for large drives
[19:33:32] Dagmar: Memristors may or may not be in use as cache by then
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[19:33:43] Dagmar: I'm thinking they might, but it's more likely that's four years ahead
[19:34:11] Dagmar: For certain 1Tb drives will be down to <$100 levels this time next year
[19:34:22] Dagmar: We should be seeing fours by the end of next year.
[19:35:23] Dagmar: The same people who came up with the perpendicular recording technology that gave us the 500Gb/1Tb disks already had _another_ breakthrough that should iht market last quarter 2009 or first quarter 2010
[19:35:34] Dagmar: o, 4Tb disks then
[19:35:41] Dagmar: er So 4Tb disks then
[19:36:06] Dagmar: Moore's Law is getting beat like a little schoolgirl on the disk storage front right now
[19:37:12] ** dustybin checks prices of a 1TB seagate hard drive **
[19:37:25] Dagmar: THey're already under $200
[19:38:32] dustybin: yep thats good
[19:39:07] Dagmar: You
[19:39:45] Dagmar: You'll pardon me if I'm vague on some details of this. I do pay attention to development on these fronts, but I don't take detailed notes 'cuz no one's payin' me to be an arrow-shooter (or "Technologist" as the bylines on CNN go)
[19:40:59] Dagmar: Frankly I'm just glad memristors are still on the >2yr mark
[19:41:10] Dagmar: Those are going to be a problem otherwise
[19:41:39] Dagmar: The access speeds will put magnetic disks in their graves.
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[20:10:22] dustybin: i new lian li HTPC case
[20:10:24] dustybin: http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product0 . . . ;ss_index=64
[20:11:56] ** BULLE swears by the hfx htpc cases **
[20:12:57] BULLE: dustybin: that lian li case ovely looks though
[20:13:00] BULLE: lovely
[20:13:02] BULLE: looks realy nice
[20:13:37] dustybin: nice frontend case
[20:13:47] BULLE: ye
[20:13:59] BULLE: i would still go hfx, but thats just me, im allergic to fans
[20:14:01] dustybin: http://lian-li.com/v2/tw/product/upload/image/C37/c37d03.jpg
[20:14:14] BULLE: buti must admit that lian li case looks realy good
[20:14:44] dustybin: BULLE: those HFX are expensive
[20:14:53] BULLE: dustybin: yeah =(
[20:15:02] dustybin: might as well buy a mac mini?
[20:15:56] BULLE: nah, in the hfx case you can put a full blown pc with specs WAY above a mac mini
[20:15:57] dustybin: BULLE: what CPU have you got in yours
[20:16:03] dustybin: ok
[20:16:16] BULLE: dustybin: me ? i got an uhm, core2duo 6850
[20:16:22] BULLE: i think
[20:16:39] BULLE: eg 3.ghz 1333fsb core 2 duo cpu
[20:17:07] dustybin: ok
[20:17:33] BULLE: mainly went with that cpu due to the very wierd pricing intel had at the time, the 6850 was WAY cheaper then 6400 and 6600 cpus when i bought it
[20:18:30] BULLE: but i realy like that lian li case, with some tender hardware choices, eg low powered hd, cpu etc, you will get something that is very quiet
[20:18:39] BULLE: and has great looks
[20:18:43] dustybin: aye inderf
[20:18:46] dustybin: indeed
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[20:34:26] Jonny0stars: Hello
[20:35:18] Jonny0stars: Excuse me for being extremely lazy but where can i find the option to autoprune all expired recordings ?
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[20:36:55] Dagmar: It should be on by default
[20:37:52] Jonny0stars: I have programs from months ago, and my HD is 99% full
[20:38:11] Jonny0stars: or possibly is there an option to delete a whole program
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[20:38:15] Dagmar: It *should* be deleting them as necessary to get more space
[20:38:24] Dagmar: If not make sure you didn't turn off expiry on those recordings
[20:38:59] Jonny0stars: Dagmar: I think its because MythTv doesn't pickup my HD size
[20:39:37] Jonny0stars: Is there any way to delete a whole program and all its sub episodes
[20:39:46] Dagmar: Nope
[20:40:15] Jonny0stars: :-(
[20:40:25] Jonny0stars: looks like my fingers are going to be sore
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[20:49:50] justinh: yes there's a way
[20:49:55] justinh: add the group to a playlist
[20:50:13] justinh: then go to playlist options where you will find the delete playlist option
[20:50:27] justinh: you earned your 0 stars :P
[20:50:33] Jonny0stars: ah great thanks justinh
[20:50:57] justinh: just be *absolutely* sure because it doesn't ask if you really want to or not
[20:56:15] ** Jonny0stars deletes self **
[21:02:41] Dagmar: Hm... I figured deleting the playlist would just delete the playlist and not the files.
[21:02:43] Dagmar: That's kinda scary.
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[21:25:22] uosiu: hi all
[21:25:43] uosiu: i've build mythtv*, but it can't connect to MySQL database
[21:26:08] uosiu: and I've do this from mythtv wiki- MythTV SVN and Fedora
[21:28:10] uosiu: this is mythtv-setup console output: http://www.nopaste.pl/5pe
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[21:29:47] iamlindoro: uosiu: If you mean SVN Trunk, then whatever howto you are following may no longer be valid-- and unless you have a profoundly good reason to do so, you should not be running trunk, but rather .21-fixes
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[21:30:19] uosiu: well
[21:30:41] iamlindoro: Your particular problem appears to be related to not having the QT4 SQL DB libraries installed
[21:30:52] uosiu: 0.21 version have problems with my fedora9, I can't remember it well
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[21:31:25] iamlindoro: Unless you *know* that trunk has a fix for whatever problem you have, you absolutely *should not* run it
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[21:31:52] uosiu: so I have to build 0.21-fixes version?
[21:32:49] iamlindoro: You don't have to do anything, it's a free country.
[21:32:55] iamlindoro: or, at least, this one is
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[21:34:38] uosiu: well
[21:34:47] uosiu: I have installed qt3-MySQL
[21:35:00] uosiu: so I have to run qmake, not qmake-qt4 :]
[21:37:34] iamlindoro: You cannot build trunk against QT3
[21:37:55] iamlindoro: .21-fixes will build against QT3 and only QT3... trunk will build against QT4 and only QT4
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[21:52:54] Sedorox: anyone here using mythmusic and digital out? I got TV, videos, and dvd playback to all work with digial out, but not mythmusic.. and I've tried every audio default I could think of, from default, to ALSA:surround51, digital, or ALSA:digital.. anything I'm missing??
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[22:05:38] bex: hello
[22:05:56] uosiu: hi bex
[22:06:33] bex: does this work with mythtv? http://shop4.frys.com/product/5660031?site=sr . . . MAIN_RSLT_PG
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[22:07:08] iamlindoro: MythTV doesn't do card support, linuxtv does... check the DVB wiki at linuxtv.org... if it works with linux, it'll work with Myth.
[22:07:27] bex: um i have been trying to reach that site since yesterday with no luc
[22:07:30] bex: luck
[22:07:47] iamlindoro: then your internet is broken, comes right up for me. Try again. www.linuxtv.org
[22:07:58] bex: nope
[22:08:02] nuonguy: iamlindoro: what's so radically different about mysql in mythtv trunk versus .21-fixes?
[22:08:33] iamlindoro: nuonguy: Nothing. Never said there was.
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[22:08:55] iamlindoro: bex: Too bad. Guess you'll never see this then: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/KWorld_ATSC_315U
[22:09:05] iamlindoro: Complain to your ISP
[22:09:09] nuonguy: I probably misunderstood, but you said that following a howto is no longer valid when installing trunk
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[22:10:06] iamlindoro: nuonguy: What I said was "whatever howto you are following may no longer be valid." ie, installing trunk requires different dependencies than it did a few months ago, and a vast majority of the Howtos for "Myth Trunk compiling" may no longer apply.
[22:10:38] nuonguy: but the mythtv mysql tables will still work if I upgraded from .21-fixes to trunk?
[22:10:58] ** nuonguy is a bit of a db newb **
[22:11:51] iamlindoro: of course they will, the DB itself really only changes incrementally-- and mythbackend and mythtv-setup are capable of upgrading the schema of any older DB when run... rolling *back* however, is the near-impossible part
[22:12:23] iamlindoro: But really, I said nothing to him specific to databases, as that had nothing to do with his problem
[22:12:47] iamlindoro: his problem was missing dependencies, hinting that he was following an out-of-date howto, or not following an up-to-date one very well
[22:12:54] nuonguy: I see
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[22:15:00] nuonguy: Sedorox: still can't get mythmusic to do digital out?
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[22:27:01] bex: iamlindoro: i got the site to work but i had to use a proxy
[22:27:29] iamlindoro: Ok... So now you know it's not a supported card. And you should still complain to your ISP
[22:27:38] iamlindoro: and tell them to fix their routing
[22:28:51] bex: the site isn't blocking me?
[22:29:19] iamlindoro: Doubtful
[22:29:29] bex: oh
[22:29:51] bex: also i could not tell that it was not supported
[22:30:18] bex: how do i know if i need atsc or dvb-c or other?
[22:30:31] iamlindoro: By looking on a globe and seeing where you live
[22:31:04] iamlindoro: and if you live in the one above Mexico, you want ATSC/QAM. And if you live anywhere civilized, you want DVB-something
[22:31:19] bex: ok
[22:31:21] bex: hey now
[22:36:08] bex: ok my next question is how do i know if it is hardware encoding or not
[22:37:39] iamlindoro: These aren't Myth questions. You should seek help in #v4l. A hardware encoder will generally include sales jargon like "with MPEG-2 hardware encoding..."
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[22:53:19] bex: what is v4l?
[22:53:25] PatrickDK: the predicessor to v4l2
[22:53:54] ** bex headdesks **
[22:54:44] iamlindoro: #v4l is the name of the channel you should be asking your general TV-on-linux questions in... then, once you have purchased a compatible tuner and made it work in linux, you can seek support for myth here.
[22:54:48] iamlindoro: video
[22:54:49] iamlindoro: four
[22:54:50] iamlindoro: linux
[22:54:51] bex: ok
[22:55:00] bex: thanks for your help, and not being rude or anything
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[22:55:23] iamlindoro: having a hard time figuring out if he was being sarcastic ;)
[22:55:24] PatrickDK: I dunno why anyone would use a non-mpeg2 card myself
[22:56:22] PatrickDK: I would go for a h264 card, but I don't think they have made any for less then a few grand
[22:56:38] GreyFoxx: Hmmm, anyone else using trunk having problems with lossless mpeg2 transcodings on hdtv content ?
[22:56:41] jamesd: PatrickDK, becaue they don't make hd mpeg2 hards.
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[22:57:17] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: Unless you're being struck by #2077 (and I'll be your best friend EVER if you have and you fix it), no, I seem to be doing ok
[22:57:19] PatrickDK: jamesd, sure they do
[22:57:36] PatrickDK: they just don't make any that record from an hd source yet, except for the pvr-hd one
[22:57:51] GreyFoxx: iam: That is the same problem
[22:58:16] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: yep, that one bites me on various channels and is really painful when it does
[22:58:33] GreyFoxx: seems to affect all of my hd recordings
[22:58:34] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: My workaround posted there sort-of works but introduces audio sync issues quite often
[23:02:43] GreyFoxx: hmmm this should be fun to track down
[23:03:42] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: *Please* don't hesitate to ask me to test patches/provide samples etc. on this one, I am extremely happy to do whatever I can-- This one is really painful for me
[23:04:13] iamlindoro: Even considered setting up a bounty to get it fixed-- I'll happily buy you a case of your favorite beer if you manage to track it down
[23:04:17] Sedorox: nuonguy: still? this is the first time I tried.. altho I came across a forums or something somewhere.. that said they got it to work with ALSA:Default, which I didn't try yet... I tried it and it worked
[23:05:12] GreyFoxx: heh
[23:05:28] Sedorox: however.. now I have a new problem :p I switched the DVD player from mplayer back to internal, and it plays, i Get menu, etc.. however.. when it actually plays.. it seems to play at a slightly fast rate.. like I'm FF x1 or x2
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[23:37:38] GreyFoxx: iam: can you do a manual transcode and send me the log ?
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[23:38:09] GreyFoxx: mythtranscode -i file.mpg -o test.mpg -v all --mpeg2 > foo.txt
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[23:47:11] andreax1: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Sleep_timer_specification Im heading towards something of this will be done and shutup with my wish for a sleeptimer that ends the frontend for now... :)
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