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Saturday, July 19th, 2008, 00:20 UTC

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streamtrade:

I recently added around 600 objects to a folder, the system has 250k objects. Plone is pretty slow now to render some pages. Is this typical?

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iamlindoro:

Only if you tell us what Plone is and how it relates to pages :)

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iamlindoro:

or more specifically, what all of that has to do with Myth ;)

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streamtrade:

Plone is a myth, wrong window, sorry

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Hey, love the trunk iCal support, very cool and nice job!

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Led-Hed:

is it possible to have a dedicated backend sleep when not in use?

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Led-Hed:

and wake when needed

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: Yeah, you can do it-- take a look at the MythWelcome page to set that up (also includes the backend stuff there)

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Led-Hed:

cool thanks

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iamlindoro:

NP, you will probably want to get some sort of Wake-on-LAN set up too so that if you *do* want to watch at an unscheduled time, you are able

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Led-Hed:

that will help cut down on the heat/energy consumption durring the day when I'm away

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I have my frontends PXE booting from the backend, do you happen to know if the PXE boot request will wake it if asleep?

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: I don't, I'm sorry. It's one of those things that I've been meaning to set up for ages but just never have

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iamlindoro:

It's been pushed to "Sometime this summer" for me :)

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Led-Hed:

PXE is cool, No Drives = less noise and less heat

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iamlindoro:

I meant the mythshutdown stuff, have done netbooting :)

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Led-Hed:

ahh

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FLeiXiuS:

Im having problems getting audio from my coaxial cable. The capture card seems to be under /dev/dsp1 which is what mythtv is set to use. But nothing, no audio.

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kormoc:

Are you sure that card support audio capture?

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FLeiXiuS:

kormoc that I'm not sure of...but I dont see why it wouldnt

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FLeiXiuS:

it's a Hauppauge WinTV card.

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FLeiXiuS:

It's using the bt878 module.

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FLeiXiuS:

And it's using ALSA.

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MartinCleaver:

From Manage -> Previously Recorded ; is it possible to play a recording?

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kormoc:

FLeiXiuS, there's two btaudio drives, one oss, one alsa. Not every card works with both, and some just don't work at all sadly

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iamlindoro:

FLeiXiuS: Many/most framegrabber cards require that audio be captured through the sound card

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kormoc:

MartinCleaver, not that I know of, and definitely not if it's been deleted

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MartinCleaver:

Thanks

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FLeiXiuS:

kormoc, well that'd be a piece of crap if it didnt. I can hear some fuzzy sounds randomly through the speakers.

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FLeiXiuS:

Leads me to believe it's working some how..

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MartinCleaver:

Funny, because the server tells me in that list that it recorded 3 shows

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MartinCleaver:

but I don't see them under Watch Recordings

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FLeiXiuS:

iamlindoro how can you capture audio through the soundcard via coax? lol

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kormoc:

MartinCleaver, try changing the view filter under watch recordings?

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iamlindoro:

FLeiXiuS: by using a patch cable between the TV card and the sound card, very common

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iamlindoro:

also true of mayn of the original WinTV cards

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iamlindoro:

er many

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kormoc:

MartinCleaver, it might be called group filter or similar as well, but that's a common one to need changed

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MartinCleaver:

And I get lots of File:mythtv://127 .* mpg files missing when browsing through Watch TV

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FLeiXiuS:

iamlindoro mm that makes sense..i dont know if I have a freaking 8mm jack laying around.

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MartinCleaver:

sorry, under Watch Recordings

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kormoc:

are they on the disk?

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** MartinCleaver looks for filter **

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FLeiXiuS:

iamlindoro: by plugging my speakers into the TV card I should have results if all it's doing is taking sound from one card and placing it on another

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MartinCleaver:

also, backend is saying "RingBuf(/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/raven/..../") Invalid file descriptor

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** MartinCleaver looks on the disk **

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MartinCleaver:

y, looks like it recorded ok

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kormoc:

UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/raven

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MartinCleaver:

mythtv is still complaining (its hung while reporting these errors)

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kormoc:

that says something weird is up with your setup

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MartinCleaver:

hmm

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MartinCleaver:

y, but what?

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MartinCleaver:

:)

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** MartinCleaver googles **

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kormoc:

verify the user that is running the FE has read permissions on those files (and directories )?

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MartinCleaver:

Where does it set its temporary directory?

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kormoc:

where you told it to?

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MartinCleaver:

the permanent place /home/mythtv-storage working fine.

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MartinCleaver:

in that it is storing as my users

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MartinCleaver:

/user/

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MartinCleaver:

Hmm. What is mytharchive?

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MartinCleaver:

that has no temp dir set

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FLeiXiuS:

if I cat a dsp device to another dsp device that'd be the same as using a patch cord correct..

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iamlindoro:

No

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FLeiXiuS:

Mmm...there has to be a way to see if any audio is even being processed.

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FLeiXiuS:

actually..cat did work.

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MartinCleaver:

Does mythtv have something to get it to validate integrity of the disk space vs. its database?

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Dagmar:

What?

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Dagmar:

Exactly how does one "validate integrity of disk space"?

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FLeiXiuS:

hmmm .. wtf... the capture card is still processing the sound after mythtv is closed.

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MartinCleaver:

well judging by the errors, the database thinks there are files that don't exist

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Dagmar:

Files can expire at more than one time, as far as I know

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iamlindoro:

FLeiXiuS: All of this (including your current problem) is in the MythTV manual section about audio

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Dagmar:

If it's trying to delete files tht don't exist, it's not like it's missing out on disk space

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FLeiXiuS:

iamlindoro I know, I'm reading bud... ;-) just venting frustration

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Dagmar:

ware: Just so you'll know, that's a small hawk, which is why it's eating another bird.

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^V^:

Hi, I'm having some playback problems with the internal mythtv player. I've enabled texturedvideo on the ATI drivers to get smooth playback but now I get two identical images playing next to each other (squashed vertically to fit in the screen). This only happens with the internal player and not mplayer. Any ideas on how this can be fixed?

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iamlindoro:

Change your deinterlacer

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^V^:

iamlindoro: where do I do this?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

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^V^:

iamlindoro: Thank you!

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iamlindoro:

np

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^V^:

I'm using an LCD tv to play back a DVD video file. I've set the interlace method to 'None' and it now seems to display it correctly (one image on screen). Is this correct, I don't need any deinterlacing?

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iamlindoro:

You *can* turn off deinterlacing, but interlaced material will look yucky. I said change it, not turn it off altogether

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^V^:

okay, thanks

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Dagmar:

^V^: Your TV may well be handling the issue on it's own

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Dagmar:

If it is, then _great_.

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Dagmar:

That's one less thing the computer has to deal with

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^V^:

Dagmar: That's good to know. I don't think there were any ugly artifacts when the deinterlaicing in mythtv was set to None

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iamlindoro:

Whoah now

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iamlindoro:

slow down

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Dagmar:

There's also the matter of most TVs are quite happy to display a progressive scan image

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iamlindoro:

Exactly

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Dagmar:

...which, unless you've cooked up some kinky-twinkie interlaced Modeline for xorg, is exactly what your TV is displaying.

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^V^:

Is that a 'bad' thing?

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iamlindoro:

Exactly again... which means... turn your deinterlacer back on if you haven't done that

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Dagmar:

nope.

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Dagmar:

The fewer times images have to be diddled with, the better.

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: There's every possibility that what he's trying to play is a progressive scan file.

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^V^:

This is a DVD vob file

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iamlindoro:

^V^: Which is almost certainly progressive

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iamlindoro:

That's my point

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iamlindoro:

progressive material will be fine without a deinterlacer

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iamlindoro:

but then you start watching TV, much of which is interlaced, if will look like crap without some deinterlacing

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^V^:

Ah...

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: So like, the idea is to reward the newbs for each little piece they got right, even if they did it for hte wrong reasons.

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^V^:

Yes, I'm quite new to this :)

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^V^:

Built my first mythtv box

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I note you seem to be surpassing me lately in BOFH status, so um... I'm just sayin'. :)

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: I haven't *not* rewarded him, just told him that it's more likely he'll need a deinterlacer than not need one

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Dagmar:

That's quite an accomplishment tho

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iamlindoro:

Hey, haven't even yelled at anyone this hour

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^V^:

Thanks for the help and explanations

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^V^:

Great, so the vide works now! I'm having some trouble playing audio through the HDMI connector in mythtv. It works fine using mplayer but I get no sound using the internal player...any ideas what needs to be done?

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^V^:

alsa:device=hw=3.3

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iamlindoro:

Change the audio device in myth to match that, in general settings in mythfrontend

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^V^:

I've tried and still no sound... :(

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iamlindoro:

Uses a slightly different format in myth, but fairly close

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^V^:

ALSA:plughw:3,3 does not work

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^V^:

Would you like to see the aplay outputs?

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iamlindoro:

nope, too busy to get too in to this

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^V^:

If anyone is able to help, here is the result: http://codepad.org/UiyIzJkd

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Dagmar:

You might be boned

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Dagmar:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lin . . . /+bug/196026

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Dagmar:

Why are you using ".3" anyway?

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Dagmar:

You don't have three subdevices.

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Dagmar:

From what I know of this (which is limited because ALSA and I don't get along well) you should be using "3,0"

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, I misread

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Dagmar:

I'm going to go with what's in the first launnchpad URL

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Dagmar:

http://www.google.com/search?q=alsa+HDA+ATI+HDMI

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^V^:

I have one onboard and 2 tuner cards as well as (onboard) HDMI

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but I think basically you're going to have to use ALSA with a patch

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Dagmar:

Or just stick with using regular outputs to the TV and wait for the patch to be rolled in

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Dagmar:

I don't know what this "hg" tree they're talking about is

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Dagmar:

HDA Intel is still kinda newish, so it's probably the most problematic of all the drivers right now

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wagnerrp:

why so songs only played during the credits of a movie make it into the soundtrack?

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^V^:

hg is an rcs similar to git... mercurial

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tank-man:

wagnerrp, you are wrong

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wagnerrp:

i just watched Sunshine, fantastic movie, except for that fact that it is a shitty horror movie

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wagnerrp:

one of the best parts of the movie was the music

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wagnerrp:

but none of that made it onto the sound track

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wagnerrp:

only two crappy songs playing while the credits roll

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Dagmar:

^V^: OKay, so I would really recommend just waiting then

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^V^:

Dagmar: okay, thanks

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Dagmar:

Until you're reasonably familiar with building things from source... okay _rather_ familiar with it... I wouldn't suggest using anything that could be called "devel" code

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Dagmar:

It'll probably be sorted within a month or less.

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^V^:

Dagmar: I'm generally not afraid of building things from source

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^V^:

Unless it's the kernel

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^V^:

:p

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Dagmar:

Well, this would just mean pulling ALSA so, kernel modules, and some libs.

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Dagmar:

You shouldn't have to do anything at all about the sources for the kernels. The new modules will just overwrite them

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Dagmar:

er overwrite the kernel-provided already compiled modules.

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waxhead:

damn!! I've lost all my guide data...

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waxhead:

mythfilldatabase --file isn't importing any data either...

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clever:

woooo a h264 file with low cpu usage!

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clever:

i see why now

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Dagmar:

So does the file you're feeding it have useful data?

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clever:

640x480

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fryfrog:

haha

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fryfrog:

so a dvd or something?

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clever:

from a source i cant mention in thischannel:P

[05:14:14]

clever:

against the rules!

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clever:

actualy wait no it wasnt a torrent:P

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fryfrog:

ah, you got it from aliens

[05:14:24]

waxhead:

Dagmar: seems so...

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^V^:

Dagmar: Something that doesn't make sense to me is, I can get sound output via HDMI in mplayer just fine. It's just in the internal mythtv that has no sound output...

[05:14:46]

^V^:

so it doesn't look like ALSA is the problem...

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fryfrog:

sounds like wonkey alsa config problems

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waxhead:

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fryfrog:

just make your alsa output in myth the same as your alsa output in mplayer?

[05:15:12]

waxhead:

Is that channel right???

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^V^:

fryfrog: I've tried setting it to ALSA:plughw:3,3 but no sound output...

[05:15:44]

waxhead:

oh.. I'm using shepherd to pull guide data..

[05:15:53]

clever:

i had alsa troubles also

[05:16:02]

clever:

i just changed the 'default' card in .asoundrc somehow

[05:16:19]

clever:

pcm.!default {

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Dagmar:

^V^: I've really got no idea unless you're unable to get sound to output from MythTV from the usual 1/8" stereo out

[05:16:21]

clever:

type hw

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clever:

card 1

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clever:

}

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^V^:

clever: please use pastebin if pasting

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clever:

again for ctl.!default

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Dagmar:

clever: This is not a time for a "clever" solution

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clever:

Dagmar: this is what ##alsa told me to do:P

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clever:

^V^: i cant paste!, my mouse is busted

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^V^:

:/

[05:16:58]

clever:

left click is broken

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fryfrog:

oh shit!

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clever:

and i cant use tap to click for middle

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Dagmar:

Making system-wide changes for one app is generally a bad idea

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fryfrog:

no, wait... i wonder... are there any handy keyboard shortcuts for cut/copy/paste?

[05:17:21]

fryfrog:

nah, can't be :p

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clever:

its near imposible to tap and right at once

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Dagmar:

*ESPECIALLY* when the app provides ample controls

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^V^:

Dagmar: it works fine using the optical out but not HDMI out

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clever:

fryfrog: not in xterm

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fryfrog:

damn, my sarcasm falls into a sarchasm :(

[05:17:56]

clever:

fryfrog: though i could use screen's method if i wanted but i dont remember how to do it

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Dagmar:

^V^: Well, the good news is that unless you have a _really_ new Sony stereo, there isn't going to be any material difference between those two outputs

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^V^:

Dagmar: I'm trying to get the sound out to my TV. The optical goes to a receiver

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

(idea) It's possible MPlayer has the sense to unmute the HDMI output device

[05:19:20]

Dagmar:

you might have it set muted by default

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Dagmar:

...or just zeroed.

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Dagmar:

OR, and this is important, the thing might be balking on the output _rate_

[05:20:23]

Dagmar:

There's stuff out there that will only tolerate 44k or only tolerate 48k and vice-versa and won't automatically convert the sample rates.

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Dagmar:

Make sure MythTV is trying to use the same sample rate for outptu as MPlayer ios

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^V^:

Dagmar: I've checked alsamixer and all of the iec958 outputs have been unmuted. The playback works without much trouble using mplayer ao=alsa:device=hw=3.3.

[05:24:09]

^V^:

Re the sample rate, shouldn't specifying plughw instead of hw take care of the conversion?

[05:25:03]

Dagmar:

That's what I'm pointing at.

[05:25:08]

Dagmar:

Conversion is not always automatic.

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Dagmar:

One of the more unamusing issues with Intel HDA sound is that not _all_ the capabilities ALSA thinks a given bit of hardware has are correct or functional.

[05:26:12]

Dagmar:

Like, about four months ago on one board I have, the entire slew of outputs was assigned dead wrong.

[05:26:24]

Dagmar:

...and my laptop STILL has "Front" and "Headphone" outputs reversed.

[05:26:48]

Dagmar:

So, make sure you've set the output rate in MythTV to what Mplayer was using

[05:27:08]

Dagmar:

ALSA *might* be thinking the driver is capable of doing the conversion on the fly, and ALSA might be wrong.

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Dagmar:

s/driver/hardware/;

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^V^:

Dagmar: I see. Can you point me to where the samplerate needs to be set up?

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iarwain1:

Hi, i am looking for a infra-red (perhaps bluetooth) remote control for my linux pc. Someone in ##linux recommended me the Windows MCE Remote (seems not too expensive). You guys know something i should know about before i'm off and away to buy such a thing?

[08:30:14]

mzb_d800:

all I can suggest is build your own (serial) ... that probably doesn't help you much, so wait for someone who doesn't have a phobia about spending money ;)

[08:30:40]

mzb_d800:

s/phobia/rational fear?/ ;)

[08:31:25]

fryfrog:

you can use pretty much any IR remote you want with linux, as long as you have an ir reciever

[08:31:53]

fryfrog:

the usb mce one uses a driver called something like mceusb2 or something, the one i use is based on that

[08:32:10]

mzb_d800:

in some case they do have to match (depends on the receiver)

[08:32:16]

fryfrog:

I personally use a Logitech Harmony remote, it is quite sweet

[08:32:27]

** mzb_d800 drools quietly ;) **

[08:32:28]

fryfrog:

yeah, there are couple of different types of IR

[08:32:42]

fryfrog:

buying a remote + ir dongle is a good bet they work together ;)

[08:33:03]

fryfrog:

someone in this channel sent me a hp reciever that i'm using now

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mzb_d800:

*or* build a serial receiver and you can read *anything* ;) (just takes a bit of soldering)

[08:33:59]

mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=83

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fryfrog:

yeah, that works to if you do'nt suck at stuff like that :)

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mzb_d800:

necessity being the mother of invention ^H^H^H^H^H^H^effort ! ;)

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uosiu:

hi

[09:18:56]

uosiu:

I have a problem with compiling mythpulings from SVN

[09:19:28]

uosiu:

I have x86_64 fedora9, SVN version from yesterday evening

[09:20:30]

uosiu:

and ./configure says, that I haven't got libmad, vorbis, FLAC, libcdaudio, CDDA Paranoia, LAME and taglib >1.4.

[09:20:50]

uosiu:

but I have them installed

[09:21:15]

uosiu:

is somewhere log of executed commands by ./configure script?

[09:21:38]

uosiu:

config.log contains only ./configure with list of switches

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uosiu:

Can anyone help?

[09:23:14]

uosiu:

I'm workin' from Fedora SVN install guide from mythtv wiki

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uosiu:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . VN_on_Fedora

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uosiu:

re

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fryfrog:

uosiu: you probably need the -devel versions of those packages

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fryfrog:

i don't know if rpm has it, but deb has something like "build-dep" that will get you the dependancies of something

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: rpm-based ppl just don't get it ;)

[10:18:39]

mzb_d800:

gee ... I wonder if a faster BE will mean I can watch LiveTV ?

[10:18:43]

mzb_d800:

hmmm

[10:19:56]

mzb_d800:

not sure ... had to do a lot of tricks for the 35yo PAL TV to look right ... suspect "burps" are FE-related (although marking LiveTV for record, and then watching from MediaLibrary works fine)

[10:20:22]

mzb_d800:

s/look right/look right under all circumstances/

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mzb_d800:

and there's nothing quite look the glow (and nice blacks!) you get from a nice old (well tuned) 69cm tv ;)

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hume:

hi...I have a resolution question: I am running myth on a 42 inch plasma TV, that according to the manual runs at 1366x768 in VGA mode. I am using dvi-hdmi, and it shows at 1920x1080 -even though I have 1366x768 in my xorg.conf. Anyone can help in my confusion?

[10:49:11]

fryfrog:

mzb_d800: unless the BE is playing the tv, i suspect it won't help with that :(

[10:49:46]

fryfrog:

hume: check the output of xorg.conf and see what is up, my 720p set presents some really stupid ummm

[10:49:55]

fryfrog:

edid info

[10:50:26]

hume:

fryfrog, i mean, the image is good, though not filling the screen fully – how do I check output of xorg.conf, you mean the log?

[10:51:06]

mzb_d800:

fryfrog: yeah ... probably ... but seems marginal ... and I don't understand why the FE can't do LiveTV but CAN do (untranscoded) mpeg2 recordings.

[10:51:29]

mzb_d800:

dm ... good enough for WAF+++ ;)

[10:51:34]

fryfrog:

yeah, the log

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: what do FE logs say while doing livetv playback?

[10:52:11]

mzb_d800:

I'll (double) check

[10:56:46]

mzb_d800:

http://www.pastebin.sk/en/7491/

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fryfrog:

and you don't see anything like that when playing back a recording made with the exact same device?

[10:58:06]

fryfrog:

i assume you only have one type of recorder in your BE?

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mzb_d800:

(server is currently recording two movies ... cpu ~=23%, write to drive ~2.2MB/s duringwatching as well)

[10:58:42]

mzb_d800:

no ... playback of recording is perfect

[10:59:23]

fryfrog:

what logging are you running your fe with?

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mzb_d800:

I have 3 DVB PCI tuners ... 2x Winfast DTV1000 and 1x AverMedia 777 ... did also have 2x USB tuners, but same problem

[10:59:33]

fryfrog:

-v help can give you some clues to use, i think "video" might be one to try

[10:59:57]

fryfrog:

do you have the box ticked to "reduce conflict with recordings"?

[11:00:03]

mzb_d800:

mythfrontend -l /home/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

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mzb_d800:

reduce conflict?

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fryfrog:

is it possible that livetv and/or recordings hate one or the other tuner?

[11:00:29]

fryfrog:

it is a setting that makes livetv use the lowest priority card

[11:00:40]

mzb_d800:

I think it's doing that

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fryfrog:

ie, if i had a firewire with +1 and a dvb with 0, that setting would pick the dvb card to start on each time

[11:00:57]

fryfrog:

and if the dvb card hated life... livetv wouldn't work

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mzb_d800:

I'm now watching livetv, but from a tuner that's recording ... no problems

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fryfrog:

recordings might not work either, but it'd be hidden because it would be less frequently used

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fryfrog:

ah

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mzb_d800:

the log I showed you was from the (then) unused tuner

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fryfrog:

try throwing a "-v help" on mythfrontend and pick a few useful debug options

[11:02:04]

fryfrog:

okay, so you are sure that "livetv" and your recordings all use the same tuner?

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mzb_d800:

no

[11:03:42]

mzb_d800:

I have higher priorities for the known-good tuners

[11:03:47]

mzb_d800:

the 777 is new

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fryfrog:

kk

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mzb_d800:

but the result is the same regardless

[11:04:42]

mzb_d800:

it takes a minute or two to exhibit the problem

[11:05:07]

mzb_d800:

at the moment I'm getting "noisy" blocks (CRC mismatch)

[11:05:15]

mzb_d800:

at least every 5 secs

[11:05:26]

mzb_d800:

(got -v video enabled)

[11:06:13]

mzb_d800:

(this is on the "unused" tuner)

[11:08:20]

mzb_d800:

http://www.pastebin.sk/en/7492/

[11:08:28]

mzb_d800:

prebuffering pause is the "burp"

[11:08:38]

mzb_d800:

crc mismatch is the "blip"

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mzb_d800:

doesn't happen when recording

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mzb_d800:

(or when watching from a tuner that's already occupied tuned to a transport)

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mzb_d800:

s/occupied//

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mzb_d800:

we'll see if(|when?) I upgrade the BE ... seems like something is marginal to me

[11:12:34]

mzb_d800:

I can appreciate I've been pushing the limit with low-powered machines ... it just interests me why it would happen on LiveTV only

[11:13:28]

mzb_d800:

pps: can't criticise my aerial ;)) : http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79

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mzb_d800:

:)

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fryfrog:

you guys seen http://www.drhorrible.com/ ?

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waxhead:

in the mthtv setup side of things, where do I get the chanid information from?

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justinh:

heheh £10 for a wireless router, delivered. nice. so it'll be crap but I don't want or need linux feckables on it

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xand:

and you'll get 50cm range? :p

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justinh:

nah same one my dad's got

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justinh:

well specced despite being a make I'd never even heard of – plus for a tenner I can't go wrong

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waxhead:

what's the quickest way to update the tv icons?

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waxhead:

it's ok.. the table is channel... :)

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chasep:

I'm trying to find some directions on creating templates for mythtvosd but not having much luck....can anyone help me out?

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mzb_d800:

justinh: or at worst you can turn off the wifi and use it as a switch ;P

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brewmaster:

i just did a fresh install of mythbuntu, and i can't get mythtv-setup to run without giving me "Can't connect to database?"

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brewmaster:

i can't seem to find any solution

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brewmaster:

tons of people have posted in various forums

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brewmaster:

i believe i have the proper qt / mysql packages installed

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brewmaster:

any ideas?

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sebrock_:

isnt the EPG supposed to show a small picture of the actual channle in the upper right corner... it says "Not recording" here now?

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Dave123:

brewmaster, does the manual say to run any scripts to set up the preliminary databases?

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brewmaster:

dave123, not that i know of

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brewmaster:

the install told me the first thing i should do is run mythtv-setup

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Dave123:

you have to set the mythtv user and password in mythtv-setup

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mzb_d800:

brewmaster: run mythtv-setup in a console with something like: mythtv-setup --geometry 800x600 -v all

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mzb_d800:

it should tell you the real error

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mzb_d800:

it's probably that you've not setup the database properly (ie: database+tables or permissions for your user to access it)

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brewmaster:

mzb_d800, i got it working

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brewmaster:

just had to grant all privileges on *.*....

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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brewmaster:

odd that out of the box this wasn't done...

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mzb_d800:

there's probably a reason for that ;)

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brewmaster:

or at least a grant (some) privileges

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brewmaster:

mzb_d800, you don't happen to know anything about capture cards, do you?

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brewmaster:

i have a kworld 120

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brewmaster:

i compiled the latest v4l-dvb drivers

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mzb_d800:

no more than anyone else

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brewmaster:

heh, i'm sure more than me ;)

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mzb_d800:

(and probably less;)

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brewmaster:

i have no idea how to make the proper /dev/videoX file(s) appear...

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mzb_d800:

if the module is loaded, and you've got the correct firmware it should work

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mzb_d800:

(you'll probably find it needs a firmware file)

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mzb_d800:

check syslog when you load the module

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mzb_d800:

it will probably say something like "/lib/firmware/{firmware for your card} not found"

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mzb_d800:

and the answer to your next question = google ;)

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mzb_d800:

(if my guess is right)

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brewmaster:

here's some output from dmesg | grep cx : http://pastebin.ca/1076716

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brewmaster:

locate cx88xx.o tells me it's in ~/v4l-dvb-3d8874db4b49/v4l/cx88xx.o, which doesn't seem right...

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brewmaster:

(i compiled v4l-dvd from source)

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brewmaster:

dvb

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mzb_d800:

what distro+version are you running, and why haven't you used the v4l-dvb that comes with it?

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brewmaster:

i'm using mythbuntu (8.04)

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brewmaster:

my kworld 120 card has experimental support

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brewmaster:

so i need the bleeding edge v4l-dvb drivers

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... #mythbuntu exists?

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brewmaster:

yeah, i'm there too :P

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mzb_d800:

experimental == probably won't work unless you a) stroke it the right way, b) install it the right way, c) configure it the right way, d) the wind is blowing in the right direction, e) you're wearing a red tie (around your head;)

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mzb_d800:

best to rely on #mythbuntu advice, or even better, ... err ... #linuxtv ? (I think that's right)

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brewmaster:

yeah, nobody is really in those channels :/

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mzb_d800:

oh ... and f) kiss it goodnight so it's still working the next day ;)

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brewmaster:

heh

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brewmaster:

i could only get analog OTA working in Windows MCE

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mzb_d800:

so you will have to work on your google skills, coz I don't think you're going to get a lot of help with experimental stuff unless you trip over the right person

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brewmaster:

i want digital!

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mzb_d800:

know the feeling

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brewmaster:

so dissappointed with this crap card

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iamlindoro:

Heh, it's not the cards fault

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iamlindoro:

It's not even experimental any more

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iamlindoro:

it's in straight of mainline Hg

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iamlindoro:

er straight up

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iamlindoro:

And works fine--- your pastebinned output implies that you compiled it against a set of kernel headers that doesn't match the kernel you are running

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iamlindoro:

ie v4l-dvb compiled against, for example, headers for 2.6.24–16 while you're running 2.6.24–19, etc.

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iamlindoro:

also, with that card, unless you want to use the crap analog in (which I advise against), the dev node you will care about will be /dev/dvb, not /dev/video#...

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iamlindoro:

But that's neither here nor there, I'm going running, back in a few hours

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jduggan:

running?

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jduggan:

you've way to much energy

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jduggan:

:\

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iamlindoro:

I would remove all kernel headers for any non, running kernel, do a fresh checkout of the v4l-dvb source, rebuild, make install, reboot your machine, make sure you have the firmware for the Kworld installed, then modprobe again

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iamlindoro:

er non-running

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iamlindoro:

jduggan: If I leave it alone it all turns to sarcasm ;)

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mzb_d800:

in that case brewmaster: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo reboot (or similar)

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jduggan:

heh

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mzb_d800:

(and then do ^^)

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iamlindoro:

anyway, back later, good luck :)

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mzb_d800:

(sudo apt-get autoremove at the end of that might help to)

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brewmaster:

okay, thanks

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brewmaster:

hrm

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brewmaster:

'The following packages have been kept back:'

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brewmaster:

linux-*?

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mzb_d800:

do an update

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mzb_d800:

System -> Administration -> Update Manager

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mzb_d800:

or do apt-get dist-upgrade

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brewmaster:

the mythbuntu ppl claim there are issues with that kernel

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brewmaster:

i'll install manually via apt-get

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brewmaster:

what packages exactly? linux-image-2.6.24–19....

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brewmaster:

linux-headers...

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mzb_d800:

or do apt-get dist-upgrade

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brewmaster:

yes, you're right

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brewmaster:

doing that now

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pocketcookies:

I've been trying to get my Hauppauge HVR 1800 set up with MythTV. I was wondering if someone could help me get started.

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iamlindoro:

"And help me in five minutes or ELSE!"

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dustybin:

im just letting everyone know that i just turned my light on via X10 from my customised mythtv main menu

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mrs:

what is the /dev name for the line-in on a sound card? i would like to set mythtv to use the line in for recordings

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BULLE:

iamlindoro: yes, the "or else" is realy mandatory

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kdubya:

how up to date is the stuff on the wiki about the HD PVR?

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kdubya:

should it still "absolutely not be applied to any production system"?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, that is up to date... if you follow the dev and commit lists, and therefore know what you are getting in to with running trunk, then you can do what you like... but if you expect it to work flawlessly or be stable all the time, or have all the options implemented, then it's not for you at this time

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kdubya:

what on earth does "LiveTV is functional at least once" mean

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iamlindoro:

ie changing between channels of differing resolutions still crashes the Hd-PVR, recording profiles aren't implemented for it so you need to hijack the MPEG-2 encoder settings, etc.

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iamlindoro:

kdubya: There was a time when you could only watch LiveTV the first time and the second time crashed the driver... this has *mostly* been resolved

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kdubya:

so do you need to set the cable box to output a fixed resolution or it crashes the hd pvr?

[20:11:54]

iamlindoro:

Yes

[20:12:32]

iamlindoro:

also, 1080i capture has major issues, so 720p is the only real stable one

[20:12:32]

kdubya:

guess i wont buy one yet then

[20:12:47]

kdubya:

hopefully it will work better by the time fry's carries them

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iamlindoro:

It's progressing quickly, it should come together a lot in the next few months

[20:13:42]

iamlindoro:

Some things depend on the next ffmpeg sync, some depend on driver development continuing, so depend on myth improvments... so it'll se a bit yet

[20:13:50]

iamlindoro:

s/so/some/

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iamlindoro:

s/se/be/

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pantalooner:

hey, recorded shows have extremely low volume. I've messed with alsamixer nad it's still low. Watching tv doesn't have the same problem. What gives?

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dustybin:

i have an idea for mythtv

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dustybin:

because advert detection only works sometimes, here in the UK it doesnt work at all

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dustybin:

how about if one presses a button when a break is about to start, and mythtv takes a snapshot and remembers what to detect

[20:43:20]

dustybin:

like, FILM 4, the screen goes red with a FILM4 logo, one could press a button then to sample that image

[20:43:27]

dustybin:

then mythtv could use that to detect adverts

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dustybin:

throughout the rest of the recording

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iamlindoro:

It's called heuristics, and yes, it's been proposed for Myth commflagging, allowing the commflagger to more or less "learn." Trouble is it's very very difficult to program. Maybe someday there will be a heuristic element, though, if someone with the right skills gets interested

[20:49:04]

nuonguy:

I'm having trouble building mythtv for hdpvr support; trunk doesn't seem to compile

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iamlindoro:

like someone who knows virus checker programming or who wrong an anti-spam software

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iamlindoro:

s/wrong/wrote/

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iamlindoro:

nuonguy: Compiles fine here

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nuonguy:

er, I guess it doesn't link

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nuonguy:

http://pastebin.ca/1076957

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nuonguy:

is this a matter of compiling and installing in a specific order?

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iamlindoro:

no specific order other than mythtv first, plugins second

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iamlindoro:

what revision are you trying to compile?

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nuonguy:

Revision: 17867

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iamlindoro:

sort of looks like you didn't do a clean checkout

[20:52:58]

iamlindoro:

did you just svn up an existing checkout?

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nuonguy:

yes

[20:53:08]

iamlindoro:

don't do that

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iamlindoro:

get a clean checkout

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nuonguy:

k

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nuonguy:

I've been wanting to get my hdpvr working for weeks, and only get a few minutes here and there to work on it

[20:56:07]

iamlindoro:

if you haven't already erased you existing checkout, btw, a make distclean may be enough to clear out the cruft, but if not, a clean checkout should work fine

[20:56:29]

nuonguy:

I'm doing a clean check out, just because...

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iamlindoro:

if that checkout was ever of a QT3 build, you would have to do a clean checkout... if it's been QT4 all along, make distclean *should* be enough, but still not always

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gbee:

make distclean; find -name Makefile -delete

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gbee:

ought to be enough no matter whether it's a clean checkout or not

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gbee:

nuonguy: heh, you need to run a "make distclean" to fix that linking error

[21:28:54]

gbee:

for some reason it just isn't rebuilding the moc files correctly after I added the Q_OBJECT macro to MythUICheckBox

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gbee:

some qmake deficiency

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nuonguy:

gbee, iamlindoro: as always, you guys are right

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nuonguy:

it just finished compling without problem

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nuonguy:

thanks

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andreax1:

Boah, we need a timeout-function inside the menus, just another night with a mythtv menu on screen while sleeping, burning away ~140W.... :)

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nuonguy:

when configure says "MythMusic requires libmad", is it telling me it cannot find libmad?

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iamlindoro:

nuonguy: yes

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andreax1:

The sleep timer just return us to main menu is that still status quo, like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Sleep_timer_specification ?

[21:59:31]

andreax1:

I need something that shutdown my client after the sleep period...

[22:00:25]

cesman:

perhaps us it in conjunction w/ nvram wakeup or acpi...

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iamlindoro:

If you have DPMS set up properly, then it should blank your screen if you're not doing video playback after a given interval

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andreax1:

iamlindoro: Im not sure, my screen know anything about dpms, it seems not, not via vga in... As far I can see it left on, with a "no signal" and refuse to get into any standby mode.. :(

[22:03:12]

iamlindoro:

So myth/linux did its part by turning off the signal to your display, sounds like your display itself is the culprit here

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andreax1:

iamlindoro: Sure, it wasn't meant to blame mythtv... :)

[22:04:26]

iamlindoro:

It's possible the display has a setting that allows it to go into standby after "x" seconds of no signal, you might check its menus

[22:05:02]

iamlindoro:

But if it's old enough, then you might be out of luck

[22:05:07]

andreax1:

Its just the first drawback of the display I found so far...

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doje:

andreax1: hi, I just joined – is your monitor blanking after a while ?

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iamlindoro:

doje: No, that is not his issue-- his issue is the fact that his monitor isn't going into standby mode... the computer is turning of the signal (as he wishes it to) but the monitor remains at full power-- it's a power consumption issue

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andreax1:

doje: Yeah, but the screen stay on with "no signal" I don't know if it will go into any standby mode after a couple of hours....

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doje:

iamlindoro: ah, ok

[22:10:15]

andreax1:

Its really not a myth issue, it do what I like to so far – a real good thing would be to kick myth out of the menu so mythwelcome could shutdown the pc...

[22:10:20]

iamlindoro:

andreax1: Does your display claim to be Energy Star Compatible?

[22:10:55]

iamlindoro:

If so, it's lying :) Based on the way I am reading the Energy Star Specs, it sounds like they are out of compliance if they don't go into low power mode when signal is lost

[22:11:13]

iamlindoro:

but still, it's worth looking to see if you can enable that feature in the monitor's onboard menus

[22:11:49]

andreax1:

its 1366x768 lcdtv I bought a couple of days for a good price.... I think I saw the sign nowhere...

[22:12:15]

wagnerrp:

i never understood why they produced panels at that resolution

[22:12:20]

iamlindoro:

Well, not much point saying anything else until you check the display's menus

[22:12:40]

andreax1:

iamlindoro: The menus are simple, so if nothing is hidden, I can't see any option for a sleep timeout... grrr

[22:13:20]

andreax1:

wagnerrp: Sure, a x x 1080 would be better, but lil more expensive... :)

[22:13:25]

iamlindoro:

andreax1: Some options on some TVs are only present with certain inputs.... my LCD TV has, for example, a setting called DPMS in the Setup Menu

[22:13:43]

wagnerrp:

well i mean i would rather have a 1280x720 panel than a 1366x768 panel

[22:15:38]

wagnerrp:

i have no idea why there is still such a thing as VBI and overscan either

[22:16:22]

wagnerrp:

mpeg2 supports auxiliary streams doesnt it? why support old mechanisms when the hardware to use those mechanisms is no longer compatible anyway

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kdubya:

because most people have no clue what the hell you are even talking about

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andreax1:

iamlindoro: Seems I missed something to pay attention to as I bought this... but no matter – for the screen I can use the sleep function...

[22:18:40]

iamlindoro:

andreax1: What is the TV model # and maker?

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andreax1:

iamlindoro: Its an Orion 32082

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justinh:

hey hey

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andreax1:

Im fine with it so far... Really happy... No crazy modeline tinkering, just stick it in and works... Quality is good in my eyes (I saw way badder ones)...

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kdubya:

does it overscan?

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justinh:

dustybin: played out with ableton for the first time last night. was great for the 1st 2 hours, then it just stopped dead. good job I had a spare cued up, only 2 seconds of dead audio

[22:22:59]

iamlindoro:

-????????? ? ? ? ? ? Three Sheets 3x06 – Gibraltar.mpg

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iamlindoro:

Yay broken filesystems!

[22:23:31]

justinh:

heh

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dustybin:

justinh: well your running on windows, its to be expected

[22:24:03]

justinh:

yeah but I'm no fecking rich guy

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dustybin:

stick os x on your pc :-)

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justinh:

bleh

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dustybin:

actually that would be a nightmare

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kdubya:

why are you using windows

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justinh:

because linux won't run ableton?

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dustybin:

kdubya: justinh isnt no rich guy

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justinh:

and because linux mostly sucks at audio applications

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kdubya:

looking up ableton

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justinh:

and graphics apps

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justinh:

and video apps

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iamlindoro:

But it's great at...erm...

[22:26:11]

justinh:

(but MUH, GIMP – exactly my point! )

[22:26:11]

iamlindoro:

emacs!

[22:26:21]

justinh:

lol

[22:27:20]

justinh:

anyway, Vista has had its days on this machine. I hated it when I first saw it & still do. I can't fucking stand how patronising it all is

[22:27:26]

dustybin:

justinh: im sure you could pick up a cheapish 2nd hand mac laptop

[22:27:38]

justinh:

you can't

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justinh:

they hold their value amazingly well

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dustybin:

ok

[22:28:06]

** iamlindoro darkens justinh's screen and pops up "Are you sure you want to download furry porn?" **

[22:28:11]

kdubya:

never discounting your hardware makes the used crap more expensive

[22:28:35]

wagnerrp:

im waiting for clippy to ask that

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iamlindoro:

oh feck this ext3 nonsense, on to xfs

[22:29:58]

wagnerrp:

you appear to be downloading furry porn! would you like dates of conventions? additional website links? contact information for psychiatrists?

[22:31:09]

dustybin:

***ALERT: You are the winner of a Audi A3, Click here to claim your prize***

[22:31:36]

dustybin:

***Viruses have been detected on your machine, Click here to remove them***

[22:31:47]

iamlindoro:

Would you like to send valuable market research to Microsoft about your porn viewing habits to enhance your Windows Vista experience? (Send Now) (Send Later) (Send Invisibly) (Don't Not Send)

[22:31:54]

dustybin:

LOL

[22:32:21]

wagnerrp:

you just clicked 'do not send', would you like to reconsider? (yes) (maybe)

[22:32:29]

iamlindoro:

No no

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iamlindoro:

there's not Do not send

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wagnerrp:

oh, 'dont not send', right...

[22:32:38]

iamlindoro:

It's Don't not send

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iamlindoro:

lucky you

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iamlindoro:

;)

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wagnerrp:

well they would have gotten me with that one

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iamlindoro:

what the shit? No convertfs in Ubuntu???

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dustybin:

i blame that bastard mark shuttleworth

[22:37:38]

iamlindoro:

Hate to have a tool people could harm their precious Final Fantasy Anime Porn with, what's next, no rm?

[22:37:43]

iamlindoro:

rm rm

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iamlindoro:

damn

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nuonguy:

what does mythmusic need to include AAC?

[22:39:02]

kdubya:

libacc

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kdubya:

libaac

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kdubya:

i made that up

[22:39:16]

iamlindoro:

libfaac-dev

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nuonguy:

faac-devel is installed

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wagnerrp:

any directories with the terms 'porn', 'hentai', 'furry', or 'potato' get put on the protected list for rm?

[22:40:33]

iamlindoro:

nice

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wagnerrp:

rm already refuses to delete '/' doesnt it?

[22:42:04]

iamlindoro:

well that would take all the fun out of it :)

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kdubya:

i dont know, try it

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wagnerrp:

rm: "/" may not be removed

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nuonguy:

iamlindoro: that doesn't seem to exist in my fedora repos

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iamlindoro:

nuonguy: Well no accounting for how various distros name things... if you search "fedora dependencies" on the wiki there is even a script that fills all of them for you (for trunk) IIRC

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kdubya:

or do yum search aac

[22:47:13]

iamlindoro:

Well I think the point is to install needed dependencies, not just install them blindly until one works :)

[22:47:30]

nuonguy:

well said, iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

or what I like to call the "Ubuntu method" ;)

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kdubya:

pff

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kdubya:

yum install *aac*

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kdubya:

go for it

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iamlindoro:

ugh, I don't wanna have to go to ##ubuntu to figure out what fucked up logic there was in not having a convertfs package

[22:50:27]

kdubya:

why are you using ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

I use lots of distros, this particular system happens to have Ubuntu on it-- and that's not even remotely the question

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: i thought somone of your calibre would of known better :P

[22:51:44]

iamlindoro:

I do-- this machine has MAC OS X on it ;)

[22:51:52]

jpabq:

iamlindoro, even with the latest trunk, I still had my MBE segfault. Different now, though — it was actually an ASSERT in QT4 because Myth tried to access a member of a list which didn't exist. Don't have a BT, though, so I am not sure where.

[22:51:55]

iamlindoro:

s/MAC/Mac/

[22:52:18]

dustybin:

mmm need to buy myself a copy of leopard

[22:52:19]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: Ooof, hope it didn't create *new* problems* (or make it any worse, anyway)

[22:52:25]

jpabq:

When I checked the SBE, it was stuck in a deadlock trying to establish a mutex lock.

[22:53:43]

jpabq:

The ASSERT on the MBE was preceded by a message that the SBE was no longer connected.

[22:54:13]

iamlindoro:

sounds... well, sounds like it had been for me-- weird. :(

[22:54:25]

wagnerrp:

i need to... continue using XP where i at least have the illusion of control over my operating system

[22:57:41]

iamlindoro:

bah, guess this isn't getting converted until I find a random few terabytes laying a streeetcorner to dump it off to

[22:57:54]

iamlindoro:

Which, ya know, happens all the time.

[22:58:09]

GreyFoxx:

jb: What you are describing sounds like something that was fixed last night

[22:58:15]

wagnerrp:

from/to?

[22:58:16]

kdubya:

go buy a USB drive and retirn it

[22:58:17]

GreyFoxx:

how recent is your checking out?

[22:58:44]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: It's post that, he svn up'ed because of the fix

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jpabq:

I am running Revision: 17864

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wagnerrp:

kdubya: a usb drive to back up several TB?

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

[22:59:14]

kdubya:

ok get multiple usb drives

[22:59:14]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: from what to what?

[22:59:35]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: my RAID array, to anything that fits said array

[23:00:05]

iamlindoro:

not that critical, just irritated and this EXT3 oops

[23:00:05]

wagnerrp:

i assumed you meant converting to another file system

[23:00:21]

iamlindoro:

yeah, ext3 -> XFS or JFS or whatever I feel like at that moment

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wagnerrp:

ah

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jpabq:

We need to get someone with the proper know-how to write a lossless cutter plugin for h.264/MPEG-4

[23:14:58]

iamlindoro:

Good luck, even the guy who owns all of the mythtranscode lossless *MPEG-2* tickets has been MIA for like two years ;)

[23:15:17]

iamlindoro:

leading me to wonder if they should be reassigned, but wouldn't want to offend with that suggestion

[23:15:50]

jpabq:

Trick is, assigned to whom?

[23:16:37]

iamlindoro:

whomever my personal myth dev-slave is, of course! :)

[23:16:57]

** iamlindoro trusts that the facetiousness of that remark is apparent **

[23:17:28]

jpabq:

So, in other words, Chutt?

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iamlindoro:

btw, monoprice is out of HD-Furies with no future expected date, so go us for getting them cheap!

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jpabq:

:-)

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: BTW, check out the last quoted portion of this post: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . post14320615

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: looks like my theory about it being a clone of a major manufacturer's HDCP key is probably right

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kdubya:

what do yall need that hd fury thing for?

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kdubya:

its not like you can generate a hdcp signal from linux anyway

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iamlindoro:

kdubya: uhhh... nobody is trying to capture the output of their linux box

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iamlindoro:

We need it when they start turning off component outs (or not manufacturing them) so that we can convert HDMI to component for capture with the HD-PVR

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kdubya:

well what are you capturing? does your cable box not have component out for the hd pvr?

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kdubya:

so youre just buying it for insurance?

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iamlindoro:

They have them, for now... but the cable and home entertainment industry is madly trying to push through legislation to allow them to be turned off

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GreyFoxx:

they are turning on component out in some markets

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GreyFoxx:

err turning off

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GreyFoxx:

because people are recording from it

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kdubya:

uh

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GreyFoxx:

just a little more of that bootheel in the averga joes face

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kdubya:

in austin there is a 6 month waiting list to get an HDMI box

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kdubya:

they ONLY have component

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iamlindoro:

We ain't in austin ;)

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GreyFoxx:

austin isn't the world :)

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kdubya:

since when

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iamlindoro:

since cowboy boots and ten gallon hats went out of style

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kdubya:

but seriously, isnt there a huge percentage of HDTVs that are not hdcp compliant?

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iamlindoro:

(which they have not in Austin, of course)

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erpo:

When I press s while watching TV to use the channel guide, the interface becomes very laggy. There is a delay of many seconds (perhaps 7 or 8?) between pressing the up, down, left, or right arrows and mythtv responding. CPU usage is far below maximum while this is happening. How can I begin troubleshooting this?

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iamlindoro:

kdubya: Pretty much any HDTV manufactured in the last 6–8 years is HDPC compliant-- m7 32" LCD doesn't even have HDMI and it's still HDCP compliant

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iamlindoro:

er my

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iamlindoro:

s/HDPC/HDCP/

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kdubya:

so it uses DVI?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

There are a fair number of non-HDCP HDTVs, but they are by far the minority.... don't think the cable industry and it's sweet-lovin' partner the FCC won't steamroll right over them if at all possible

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention the folks in the UK who are having it unceremoniously turned off across the board with a big, fat "go fuck yourselves"

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GreyFoxx:

"rescan" it ?

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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