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Wednesday, July 16th, 2008, 00:02 UTC
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[00:02:50] madfactor: Seg faults common between mythtv and mplayer?
[00:03:56] iamlindoro: What do you mean by "between?" Although you *can* use mplayer as a video player for MythVideo, Myth really has nothing to do with mplayer
[00:04:16] iamlindoro: and, as a rule, unless you have a good reason to do so, shouldn't.
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[00:04:58] madfactor:
[00:05:15] tank-man: i get segfualts on exit of the frontend, when finsihed mythfilldatabase runs. they happen at the end so i dont care
[00:05:32] iamlindoro: Then you should compile with --compile-type=debug and submit backtraces
[00:05:39] iamlindoro: but no, that is not common behavior
[00:05:51] madfactor: That is what I thought.
[00:06:21] madfactor: It doesn't happen all the time, kinda random.
[00:07:51] madfactor: I have been running MythTV for several years, and this is the first time I have had an issue with the frontend segfault.
[00:08:38] GreyFoxx: tank: Sounds like a qt-3.3.7 bug
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[00:08:46] GreyFoxx: causes crashes when the apps exit
[00:08:55] GreyFoxx: moving to 3.3.8 usually clears that up
[00:09:02] GreyFoxx: (no need to recompile myth)
[00:09:54] madfactor:
[00:10:05] GreyFoxx: mad: no idea about yours
[00:10:13] GreyFoxx: I've never heard anyone report that one before
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[00:10:22] GreyFoxx: and I use the Internal player so I've never encountered it
[00:11:08] madfactor:
[00:11:14] GreyFoxx: yes
[00:11:53] iamlindoro: since x264 isn't a codec, no :)
[00:11:58] iamlindoro: but it'll play h.264 just fine
[00:12:06] madfactor: Crap.
[00:12:12] madfactor: Everyone knew what I meant.
[00:12:22] GreyFoxx: heh yeah I knew, hence my answer :)
[00:12:29] madfactor: ;)
[00:12:53] iamlindoro: It's only a codec if you learned about it in a file that ends in .torrent ;)
[00:13:14] GreyFoxx: or vlc's libx264 :)
[00:13:28] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: But *that* makes perfect sense
[00:13:45] madfactor: (*YAWN*)
[00:18:06] ebil: phunguy, I could, except I already sort of do that
[00:18:31] ebil: the mythvideo dir is /mnt/videos then I mount all the different video dirs on the raid array IN that dir, so, I have /mnt/videos/movies /mnt/videos/anime and would want to add /mnt/videos/dvdrips
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[02:13:23] sshirley: Ok, everyone....I got a DVD ripping in MythTV question. According to the mtd.log, the 3 video tracks I just ripped were successful. But when I go to that directory, nothing. No files. The directory is writeable. Any ideas?
[02:15:29] sshirley: Bueller?
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[02:19:13] sshirley: Quiet tonight, eh?
[02:20:44] wagnerrp: or nobody actually uses mythdvd
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[02:24:36] sshirley: seems to be so
[02:24:41] sshirley: you don't do ya? :-)
[02:25:01] Nostahl: hey all when i use internal player i dont get all the sound channels. any idea's like i wont get voices but i will hear a cammel grunt etc
[02:25:01] wagnerrp: no, i prefer a DVD player... or mythvideo
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[02:26:41] GreyFoxx: Nos: I've got 1 video file that does that
[02:26:47] GreyFoxx: it has multiple audio ochannels/languages
[02:27:01] GreyFoxx: and they are not properly labeled and myth picks the wrong default one
[02:27:22] GreyFoxx: I've yet to really look into it as it's the only one I've ever encountered like that
[02:27:35] Nostahl: all of my video files run fine
[02:27:36] wagnerrp: just grab mkvmerge or mp4box and remux the video with proper labeling
[02:27:39] Nostahl: its dvd's that do it
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[02:27:55] GreyFoxx: I've never run into it on a dvd
[02:28:09] Nostahl: i have 5.1 surround sound
[02:28:39] Nostahl: it seems like every different area trys to use onboard or sound blaster
[02:28:43] GreyFoxx: As soon as mythplugins finishes compiling Ill flip the 5.1 toggle in my setup and try one
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[02:31:22] Nostahl: im not 100 percent coherant when it comes to setting up audio in linux yet heh
[02:33:29] Nostahl: k audio output device is set to alsa:surround51
[02:33:35] Nostahl: passthrough output device is default
[02:33:41] Nostahl: max audio channels 5.1
[02:33:44] Nostahl: upmix passive
[02:33:59] Nostahl: use internal volume conf is checked
[02:34:05] GreyFoxx: setting mine to max channels 5.1 behaves as you describe
[02:34:07] Nostahl: mixer device alsa default
[02:34:20] GreyFoxx: but leaving it to stereo works, and infact my surround is working properly
[02:34:29] Nostahl: hrmm
[02:34:33] Nostahl: let me try switching it
[02:36:08] Nostahl: k i changed max audio channels to sterio
[02:36:12] Nostahl: tryed playing dvd no audio
[02:36:22] Nostahl: should i switch audio output device too?
[02:36:35] GreyFoxx: try changing it to Alsa:default
[02:36:40] Nostahl: k
[02:37:04] Nostahl: testing... :)
[02:37:22] szakulec: for the flash video feature, how can I force it to convert all my recordings?
[02:37:55] Nostahl: no audio still
[02:38:05] GreyFoxx: Nos: Weird
[02:38:12] GreyFoxx: I'm not really sure what they would be
[02:38:24] GreyFoxx: Mine is just Stereo, Alsa:Default, mixer is default
[02:38:55] Nostahl: do you have any problems with sound card vs onboard audio
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[02:40:36] GreyFoxx: I only use my onboard audio in my main machines
[02:40:53] GreyFoxx: but I do have a couple using offboard AND onboard at the same time and they work
[02:42:57] Nostahl: hrmm
[02:43:17] Nostahl: i've disabled onboard in bios
[02:43:26] Nostahl: and i still get sound out of it in linux....
[02:43:27] Nostahl: heh
[02:53:04] Nostahl: woo i think i got it
[02:53:11] Nostahl: lol i changed everything around
[02:53:15] Nostahl: and then set it back to what i had it
[02:53:22] Nostahl: and it works now
[02:53:24] Nostahl: lmao
[02:53:26] Nostahl: weird?
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[03:57:15] sentinel23: hey all
[03:57:36] sentinel23: i'm trying to install frontend on my new EeePC 900
[03:57:53] sentinel23: can you remind me where I set the MasterBackend IP?
[03:59:08] wagnerrp: in the mysql database
[03:59:25] wagnerrp: that information is not stored locally
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[04:00:01] sentinel23: right, that makes sense; it is able to make the initial DB connection
[04:00:04] sentinel23: settings table?
[04:00:33] wagnerrp: all a remote frontend should need is access to the sql database
[04:00:39] wagnerrp: everything else should autoconfigure itself
[04:01:08] wagnerrp: as well as nfs/cifs access for any plugins
[04:01:19] sentinel23: should.. but it keeps trying to connect to localhost for the BE
[04:01:35] wagnerrp: oh, then on the primary backend, go into mythtv-setup
[04:01:35] sentinel23: maybe it's a setting on the BE...
[04:01:43] wagnerrp: its the first page in the first section
[04:02:07] wagnerrp: i believe you have to restart the backend for that change to take effect
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[04:03:34] sentinel23: right! of course
[04:04:03] sentinel23: sadly i need to wait another hour for this recording to finish  :P
[04:04:15] wagnerrp: yep, that happens
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[04:31:22] Steven_M: hi all
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[04:32:13] Steven_M: can anyone suggest a good tv-tuner card for linux?
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[04:37:48] sentinel23: the Hauppage cards are a good choice
[04:37:54] sentinel23: like the PVR 150
[04:44:09] Steven_M: sentinel23: all the Hauppage seem to have mppeg 2 encoding instead of mpeg4 encoding. Is there much of a quality difference?
[04:45:38] sentinel23: honestly, not sure
[04:46:00] mikecharest: i just tried to install the driver for the hvr-1600 and it broke my nvidia video card. Has anyone seen this?
[04:46:51] Steven_M: sentinel23: ok
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[04:52:55] aprotim: Anybody know if it's possible to set up a master backend to listen on any available interface?
[04:54:12] aprotim: Seems silly to have mythtv determine my network config
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[05:26:53] wagnerrp: Steven_M: what cards are NTSC tuners have mpeg4 encoders?
[05:27:16] wagnerrp: the only one kind of like that is the HDPVR, and thats a component capture box
[05:27:23] wagnerrp: although i cant say ive actually gone looking
[05:28:47] wagnerrp: seems there are some USB tuners that do mpeg4...
[05:30:34] eclectro: what hdtv card should I get for a myth tv setup?
[05:31:13] wagnerrp: anything thats listed as being supported
[05:31:37] wagnerrp: as long as you can pick up a signal, the quality of HDTV recordings is identical on any card
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[05:34:09] eclectro: wanerrp: ok which one has a cable tuner in it or are we not that far along yet?
[05:34:56] wagnerrp: most HDTV cards have an analog tuner included
[05:35:25] wagnerrp: however most are also hybrid tuners, meaning you can only use the digital or analog, but not both at the same time
[05:35:43] wagnerrp: also, most are only framegrabbers, rather than mpeg capture cards
[05:36:43] wagnerrp: if you want to use the analog as well, i would recommend getting an HVR-1600 or 1800
[05:36:55] wagnerrp: for PCI and PCIe, respectively
[05:37:08] wagnerrp: although those are newer cards, and the drivers are still a bit buggy
[05:37:12] eclectro: I understand that they have atsc/ntsc tuners in them, the question is whether any of them can decode digital cable i.e. act like a cable box
[05:37:39] wagnerrp: oh, if you want digital cable, just get one that supports QAM modulation
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[05:38:11] wagnerrp: although most channels will probably be encrypted, requiring a cablecard tuner to access
[05:38:25] wagnerrp: and no cablecard tuners currently work in linux
[05:38:49] eclectro: ahh that's what I thought and that was my question really
[05:39:15] eclectro: is there demand for such a card?
[05:39:39] wagnerrp: there is definately demand for such a card, there is not support for such a card
[05:39:39] eclectro: you'd think so
[05:40:09] eclectro: well I plan talking to a couple of manufacturers
[05:41:02] wagnerrp: well such a device could only be shipped with binary drivers
[05:41:17] wagnerrp: and no manufacturers seem to want to spend the time developing such a system for linux
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[05:42:06] wagnerrp: no significant effort has been made towards revenging the ATI tuner
[05:42:08] eclectro: binary drivers to handle drm?
[05:42:44] wagnerrp: i dont think its so much DRM, as patented protocols for handling the cablecard card
[05:42:58] eclectro: ahh yes
[05:43:10] wagnerrp: they license the technology, and theyre not allowed to distribute the source on how to control it
[05:43:32] eclectro: well there should be chipset that covers the patent issues already
[05:43:41] eclectro: kinda like mp3 chipw
[05:43:46] eclectro: *chips
[05:44:31] eclectro: you think people would be willing to pay $300 usd for a card?
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[05:45:03] secross: Hello, can i use the dvb channel listings from joshyfun's site to import into mythtv, what format do i use?
[05:45:18] eclectro: I suspect that the cable companies are trying hold it back also
[05:45:32] wagnerrp: mp3 was somewhat odd, as the computer community effectively snubbed Fraunhofer during the beginning of widespread mp3 format usage
[05:45:57] wagnerrp: eclectro: id like to think that, but i really have no idea
[05:46:16] wagnerrp: people would be willing to spend $300 for such a card that works under linux
[05:46:39] eclectro: but the question is would we sell just 10 cards :P
[05:46:39] wagnerrp: because it would be a purely digital alternative to a cablebox rental and a $250 HDPVR
[05:47:03] wagnerrp: the HDPVR has already sold several thousand units, and is still on backorder
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[05:48:10] wagnerrp: secross: mythtv supports XMLTV
[05:48:25] wagnerrp: if you can find an XMLTV compliant scraper for that website, you can use it
[05:49:11] secross: ok, thanks for the tip wagnerrp, i will look there...
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[05:51:25] wagnerrp: well it seems one of the stipulations of licensing from CableLabs is that you support content protection
[05:52:05] eclectro: yeah there's probably a bunch of hoops and a 20,000 fee you have to pay
[05:52:34] wagnerrp: by and large, linux TV projects follow the idea that anything transmitted into your house is now yours to do with as you please, short of transmitting to others
[05:53:40] wagnerrp: open source tends to limit any sort of DRM
[05:53:54] wagnerrp: since you can bypass any DRM by simply removing it from the code
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[05:54:38] eclectro: That doesn't stop companies trying to unload a cartload of licensing crap on everybody
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[05:56:24] wagnerrp: well for that reason, you cant offload licensing crap to linux, unless you do it at a hardware level
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[05:56:50] wagnerrp: you have to restrict the hardware to function with your drivers
[05:57:05] wagnerrp: and actually, thats what is going on with the HDPVR
[05:57:45] wagnerrp: the AVC encoder chip requires a challenge-response hash to function
[05:58:36] wagnerrp: so the first thing that had to happen with developing the driver for it was hooking a debugger into the windows driver, and decode the hash function
[05:59:29] aprotim: eclectro: you should see what HD channels you get unencrypted
[05:59:54] wagnerrp: theres a list on the wiki of various areas, providers, and what channels you can get
[05:59:59] aprotim: when I hooked up mynew TV (w/ built-in tuner) it found almost 100 unencrypted HD channels from the cable
[06:00:33] wagnerrp: or yes, you can just use (some) TVs
[06:00:42] eclectro: aprotim: I have cable already, and I want to get the scifi channel, which is encrypted
[06:01:04] eclectro: plus some hbo channels I'm already paying for
[06:01:06] wagnerrp: well you might try your luck with firewire
[06:01:29] wagnerrp: they may encrypt different lists for firewire and QAM
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[06:08:40] SHADOW__X: hello everyone
[06:08:57] eclectro: hi
[06:09:07] SHADOW__X: i updated my mythbuntu box and lost my pinnacle pctv 800 i tuner
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[06:09:18] SHADOW__X: my hvr 1800 is still working
[06:09:22] eclectro: ouch
[06:09:30] SHADOW__X: i believe i updated the kernel
[06:09:48] SHADOW__X: so i proceeded to copy the firmware again
[06:09:55] eclectro: I'm not running mythtv
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[06:10:01] SHADOW__X: and install the v4l-dvb driver again
[06:10:04] SHADOW__X: and nothing
[06:10:44] eclectro: but I find constantly that if I want to do an update it's quicker to swipe the hard drive than hassle with config files
[06:11:03] SHADOW__X: swipe?
[06:11:12] eclectro: just my personal opinion
[06:11:15] eclectro: reformat
[06:11:26] SHADOW__X: oh
[06:11:29] SHADOW__X: um
[06:11:36] SHADOW__X: dont you think thats abit much
[06:11:42] eclectro: I know that there those that disagree with me
[06:11:54] eclectro: but in my experience it just seems quicker
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[06:12:06] SHADOW__X: hmm not in mine other that this happening
[06:12:25] eclectro: maybe if I was more 133t it wouldn't be that way
[06:12:29] eclectro: whatever
[06:12:37] SHADOW__X: whatever works i supppose
[06:13:24] eclectro: I've been dinking around with zenwalk's usb hotplugging
[06:13:29] eclectro: for a week now
[06:13:36] SHADOW__X: ?
[06:13:49] eclectro: If I would've swiped I would have had it already
[06:14:13] eclectro: did a kernal update and a couple of other things that lost it
[06:14:27] SHADOW__X: hmm
[06:15:08] eclectro: I agree with you it's drastic and I'd like to learn the specific problem just for info
[06:15:16] SHADOW__X: right
[06:15:20] SHADOW__X: ok its back
[06:15:27] eclectro: but sometimes you just gotta move on if you don't have the time
[06:15:30] SHADOW__X: :)
[06:15:42] eclectro: great glad to hear it
[06:15:53] SHADOW__X: yeah
[06:15:59] SHADOW__X: i wonder if analog works now
[06:16:00] SHADOW__X: lol
[06:16:12] eclectro: getting picky
[06:17:14] SHADOW__X: no
[06:17:36] Steven_M: does anyone know of a good linux tv card with mpeg4 hoardware encoding?
[06:17:56] wagnerrp: the only ones i know of are external USB boxes
[06:18:23] wagnerrp: there are cards that claim mpeg4, but those are typically just framegrabbers shipped with software mpeg4 encoders
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[06:18:56] eclectro: wagnerrp: thanks for your help with the cablecard questions
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[06:21:03] Steven_M: wagnerrp: is there much difference in quality between mpeg 2 and mpeg 4?
[06:21:27] wagnerrp: at the same bitrate, absolutely!
[06:21:50] wagnerrp: however mpeg4 is typically run at ~1/4 the bitrate of mpeg2
[06:22:01] tank-man: you need more informatin to determine if there is a visible difference
[06:22:14] tank-man: like bitrate, resolution
[06:22:28] wagnerrp: modern codecs, at 1/4 the bitrate is usually indiscernible to the untrained eye
[06:25:36] wagnerrp: although any hardware mpeg4 encoder you would get is likely ISO MPEG4 ASP
[06:25:48] wagnerrp: rather than the more heavily optimized xvid or divx encoders
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[06:28:19] VanessaE: figured out why xvmc wasn't enabled...but now that it is, I have a new problem: Mythtv segfaults if I let it use more than 1 core to decode high def video with the xvmc renderer.
[06:28:37] VanessaE: (but one core is too slow)
[06:29:08] wagnerrp: by hi-def, you mean h.264?
[06:29:17] VanessaE: MPEG2 actually
[06:29:28] wagnerrp: because the mpeg2 decoder is single threaded
[06:29:33] Steven_M: wagnerrp: tank-man: I'm faced with with the hard decision of whether or not to buy a Hauppauge tv card even though it's only mpeg 2
[06:29:52] wagnerrp: i have a pair of hauppauge mpeg2 cards
[06:30:09] wagnerrp: if you need the space, you can always recompress later
[06:30:20] VanessaE: single threaded?
[06:30:22] VanessaE: :-/
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[06:30:49] Steven_M: ok, be back later
[06:30:59] wagnerrp: how are you running it multithreaded?
[06:31:14] VanessaE: I enable it in mythtv's config
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[06:31:53] wagnerrp: well the ffmpeg decoder libraries are single threaded (although that will change in the near future)
[06:32:05] VanessaE: that is, Setup-> TV Settings-> Playback...where you specify the decoder, video renderer, etc.
[06:32:14] wagnerrp: but it may be a pipelined process, of which some can be offloaded to a second core
[06:32:15] VanessaE: "Max CPUs: 2"
[06:32:34] wagnerrp: i dont know anything about the mythtv internal player
[06:32:40] VanessaE: set it for 1 and it generally hangs on, but then it's too slow
[06:32:54] VanessaE: this used to work under Gentoo. I'm confused.
[06:34:33] Dibblah: VanessaE: That AFAIK only applies to h.264 video.
[06:34:42] Dibblah: Not mpeg2.
[06:34:57] VanessaE: sigh.
[06:35:09] wagnerrp: thats what im thinking too, but i cannot actually find the page
[06:35:15] SHADOW__X: then go back
[06:35:15] SHADOW__X: lol
[06:35:38] wagnerrp: oh, i see it
[06:35:47] VanessaE: according to the config here, it's for MPEG2.
[06:36:04] SHADOW__X: hey does anyone know how many streams a digital tuner can record off of a multicast
[06:36:11] SHADOW__X: that is if i am wording it correctly
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[06:36:18] VanessaE: SHADOW__X, depends on your software and the tuner design
[06:36:19] wagnerrp: SHADOW__X: as many as you want
[06:36:21] wagnerrp: default is 2
[06:36:30] wagnerrp: it has nothing to do with the tuner
[06:36:33] VanessaE: some can tune multiple frequencies, others just one.
[06:36:38] SHADOW__X: oh really
[06:36:57] VanessaE: but if you're tuned into some particular multiplex, you should be able to rip as many streams as are available on it.
[06:37:03] wagnerrp: well some have multiple tuners, but thats different than capturing a single multiplex
[06:37:26] SHADOW__X: ah so then shouldnt i just put it to the max of 5 for each digital tuner
[06:37:33] SHADOW__X: or would that cause an issue
[06:37:42] SHADOW__X: or is that personal preferrance
[06:38:03] wagnerrp: personal preference... is this for cable or air?
[06:38:27] wagnerrp: cable, it may actually be worthwhile
[06:38:28] SHADOW__X: cable
[06:38:28] SHADOW__X: qam
[06:38:28] wagnerrp: air, its typically not
[06:38:45] wagnerrp: cable, they may cram a dozen channels on the same multiplex
[06:39:16] wagnerrp: over air, you may get one primary channel, and a dedicated news or weather subchannel
[06:39:23] SHADOW__X: yeah they stick afew
[06:39:38] wagnerrp: PBS is only broadcaster in the area that uses subchannels for different shows
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[06:40:52] SHADOW__X: i got tbs a&e yes hist and more on the same stream
[06:41:05] wagnerrp: yes?
[06:41:19] SHADOW__X: i record a&e and hist alot so that helps
[06:41:26] wagnerrp: what is 'yes'?
[06:41:44] SHADOW__X: yankee entertainment channel
[06:41:51] SHADOW__X: or soemthing like that
[06:41:53] wagnerrp: never heard of it
[06:42:01] wagnerrp: yankee entertainment system more likely
[06:42:07] SHADOW__X: right
[06:42:41] wagnerrp: an entire channel dedicated towards a baseball team?
[06:42:52] wagnerrp: isnt that getting a bit excessive
[06:43:03] SHADOW__X: The Yankees Entertainment and Sports (YES) Network is a New York City regional cable TV channel dedicated to broadcasting baseball games of the New York Yankees, and basketball games of the New Jersey Nets.
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[13:36:35] Neeesat: hello
[13:37:03] Neeesat: Anyone experiencing: 'Could not get card info for ca' in mythtv-setup?
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[13:41:30] Neeesat: Fixing by giving access to current user on current dvb device
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[13:43:35] sid3windr: makes sense :)
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[13:50:06] monkeyBox: Does anyone know how to change a database user's password in mysql?
[13:53:28] webvictim: i've been informed that google has great knowledge on that matter
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[14:00:13] oobe: monkeyBox, you do you by loging into swl in konsole i cant walk you through it but there are plenty of old mythtv guides that will
[14:00:24] oobe: *sql
[14:01:00] monkeyBox: oobe, I'm actually just looking for the SQL command to change the passwd :) I've looked through the SQL documentation but can't find it
[14:01:12] monkeyBox: perhaps I'm just looking in the wrong places
[14:01:43] monkeyBox: I asked in #mysql, but no response... I doubt many mysql users even use cmdline
[14:02:05] sid3windr: I bet most do
[14:02:54] oobe: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mysql
[14:03:05] oobe: found it go there monkeyBox
[14:03:17] oobe: took me a little less than 5 secs
[14:03:29] oobe: mind you i been there before
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[14:09:29] webvictim: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/set-password.html tbh
[14:09:43] webvictim: first hit for googling "change mysql database user password"
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[14:51:11] DarkD: Hey guyz, im trying to create a USB drive sniff of a DVB adapter but im having some trouble. any one help me out with this one :-S
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[15:11:47] flexy: I'm trying to get to gmail with mythweb, but I can't type my username/password... for example, letter "i" pops up the menu to type a web address I want to go. Letter "p" doesn't do a thing... How can I fix this?
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[15:16:20] gbee: you mean mythbrowser?
[15:16:25] flexy: yes
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[15:22:34] gbee: sorry I don't know, never used mythbrowser but it wouldn't suprise me if it just wasn't possible – mythbrowser in 0.21 and earlier is just a hacky implementation
[15:23:03] gbee: which is why no-one shed a tear when it was deleted at the start of work on 0.22
[15:25:04] flexy: ahaa
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[15:25:22] flexy: perhaps I should just forget it then :)
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[15:34:50] gbee: mythbrowser will return at some point, maybe even before 0.22 is released, but it should be an improvement over the current version, better integrated and not requiring kde
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[16:12:04] ribo: what would you guise suggest for a good USB IR remote?
[16:12:38] iamlindoro_: The Microsoft MCE remote and IR receiver (assuming you are also asking about a receiver)
[16:18:00] Sulx: yea MCE is good
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[16:27:20] ribo: yeah
[16:27:56] ribo: I had a serial one, but for some reason it doesn't read signals correctly anymore
[16:28:50] ribo: are there any just receivers that don't suck. would be nice if I could not have to add a remote
[16:29:29] iamlindoro_: sure, http://www.usbuirt.com/
[16:30:08] ribo: holy expensive
[16:30:46] iamlindoro_: also: http://iguanaworks.net/products.psp
[16:31:57] ribo: a bit better
[16:32:40] iamlindoro_: you could probably find something second hand on ebay, of course, these are handmade, good quality, and new, so slightly higher price
[16:33:04] ribo: yeah, price makes sense for handmade stuff
[16:34:40] iamlindoro_: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Microsoft-Media-Cente . . . 86.m14.l1318
[16:35:06] iamlindoro_: That's what we were talking about originally-- may be able to find similar for $15–20 w/ a Buy it now, or bid on that one
[16:35:37] iamlindoro_: There are multiple models of both the remote and the receiver, that's my favorite version of the remote, it has a very nice, strong backlight
[16:35:52] gbee: new MCE remote and receivesr can be had pretty cheaply on ebay and work well
[16:35:58] gbee: I keep meaning to remove the casing from mine and see if I can integrate it into the case
[16:36:14] gbee: heh, I'm way behind iamlindoro_ there
[16:36:29] wagnerrp: personally, id like to find a remote that can bring a computer out of standby (of course that doesnt mean ive actually been looking for one)
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[16:42:21] Dibblah: wagnerrp: MCEUSB2.
[16:42:41] Dibblah: Yeah, that one does.
[16:43:07] wagnerrp: basically i just need a USB one for wake-on-usb?
[16:43:10] Dibblah: As long as your motherboard supports it and you have set it up right.
[16:43:22] Dibblah: It's on the wiki somewhere ;)
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[16:45:51] Dibblah: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remo . . . spend_To_RAM
[16:46:10] high-rez: ick, the IR receiver on that remote is pretty hige.
[16:46:11] high-rez: huge too
[16:46:26] iamlindoro_: Not it's not
[16:46:27] iamlindoro_: er No
[16:46:55] iamlindoro_: It's quite sleek looking in real life, actually
[16:47:11] high-rez: http://www.edio21.com/_images/prod/ir601_m.jpg
[16:47:16] high-rez: that's what the one I have looks like.
[16:47:40] iamlindoro_: I'm aware they can be made smaller, but you're looking at a picture, and I have the real thing. It's not huge.
[16:47:55] high-rez: Ahh
[16:48:07] high-rez: Mine just plugs into the front of my little tiny case.
[16:48:41] high-rez: i'm much less happy with the remote I got with it
[16:49:05] Dibblah: my MCE reciever has been... Extended. The IR receiver module is on a 2m piece of wire and is the only part of it in the living room :)
[16:49:11] jams: iamlindoro- i wouldn't call it sleek looking
[16:49:25] gbee: I'd love to find a decent little lirc supported USB remote with a tiny dongle for my laptop
[16:49:49] iamlindoro_: jams: Depends on which of them you get, I guess-- the older ones in the grey case are somewhat blocky, the black one is sleek IMO, but to each his own
[16:50:13] high-rez: http://www.provantage.com/fullsize/1011069789.jpg
[16:50:16] jams: yeah i have the black one, it's bigger then some remotes I have around here
[16:50:20] high-rez: That's the remote I have, which i think is less than special.
[16:50:28] high-rez: I like the IR receiver that came with it though.
[16:50:32] jams: certainly bigger then my cellphone
[16:50:54] gbee: sleek might be pushing it, I've got a black one but it's mostly hidden from view in my setup, I've put it on it's side between the myth box and the VCR
[16:51:04] iamlindoro_: jams: We must be talking about different receivers, mine is only a few inches wide, 3/4 inch tall, and an inch or two deep
[16:51:16] Dibblah: high-rez: Woah! They time-warped a remote from the early 90s...
[16:51:19] iamlindoro_: Never seen a cell phone that small
[16:52:02] gbee: iamlindoro_: I have to compare it against the serial receiver I used before which was less than a 1/4in in all dimensions ;)
[16:52:31] iamlindoro_: gbee: no doubt they can be made tiny (a la the PVR-150 onboard one), but I certainly have never found the mceusb's huge or clunky
[16:52:50] Dibblah: It's big enough to do the job.
[16:53:04] iamlindoro_: I must admit I occasionally look at the Snapstream firefly and think about switching remotes, I like the RF and the way it looks
[16:53:06] Dibblah: ... And I'm sure that won't be misconstrued by anyone in here.
[16:53:41] iamlindoro_: would also be nice to have RF since my stuff is in a closet now and I wouldn't have to point it at anything
[16:53:53] gbee: just compared my phone against it and the phone is smaller in two dimensions, only 1/4in bigger in the third
[16:54:08] high-rez: Dibblah: Believe it or not I paid like 40 bones for that thing.
[16:54:34] sid3windr: how much is a bone in euro? :P
[16:56:05] high-rez: 0.0625 euro
[16:56:30] wagnerrp: does anyone know if the harmony 890 can control RF devices? or just its RF base station?
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[20:37:52] miffed: I got Ubuntu hardy setup as backend/frontend and several client machines on my lan are running the frontend, they can see all the music and video files I have added on the ubuntu box but get MADdecoder error if they try to play them, am I right in saying I need to setup NFS so other clients can play these files?
[20:40:52] wagnerrp: recordings are streamed through the backend
[20:41:00] wagnerrp: everything else needs direct file access
[20:41:31] iamlindoro_: and you should mount them in the same location on all frontends
[20:41:31] wagnerrp: through nfs, cifs, or other favorite network file system
[20:42:07] miffed: k, thnx was not sure I read somewhere video and music was supported in the myth protocol
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[21:03:44] javatexan: have yall seen this http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg
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[21:04:50] wagnerrp: well that was interesting
[21:05:30] wagnerrp: lurk for 3 hours, post a youtube link, and immediately quit
[21:06:05] iamlindoro_: sounds like the ideal Rickroll setup :)
[21:06:31] wagnerrp: actually, its some cspan recording on CFL bulbs
[21:08:43] wagnerrp: its about the high mercury content in CFLs
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[21:13:59] tank-man: i like how he threw in the china scare in there ... not
[21:14:19] tank-man: if those CFL bulbs were made in usa, they would still have mercury and be dangerous
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[21:15:36] wagnerrp: yes, but all the shit we buy from foreign markets is part of the reason why the value of the dollar is dropping against other currencies
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[21:45:03] dustybin: would this make a nice NAS case for your HD recordings??
[21:45:06] dustybin: http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11999
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[21:49:23] wagnerrp: well its nice for storage, but i dont know how useful it would be for mythtv
[21:49:42] wagnerrp: something like this would get shoved off somewhere
[21:49:57] wagnerrp: so why not just get something bigger and shove the tuner cards in there too
[21:50:40] dustybin: hmm aye true i guess
[21:51:05] dustybin: when i go HD, the backend will be the NAS and hold the tuners
[21:51:13] dustybin: and that box will be hidden away
[21:51:26] dustybin: ill have 2x silent hd frontends visable
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[21:52:48] wagnerrp: i need to look into getting my tuners to work on my primary backend (freebsd)
[21:53:53] wagnerrp: as it is now, i also have to run a backend on my frontend to handle the tuners
[21:57:35] wagnerrp: i think i might try that today, the next time i need both tuners is friday
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[22:37:26] gbee: watched that video, amazes me how protectionist the USA is – they want the world to buy their goods, but God forbid they import anything made in another country
[22:38:23] high-rez: huh?
[22:38:33] high-rez: every product in the US is imported from somewhere else.
[22:38:54] high-rez: even the little stickers with a flag on them that say "made in the usa" are made in china.
[22:39:22] gbee: reminds me of the recent news over the Air-to-Air refueling tankers that the DoD recently decided to buy from a joint US/Europe consortium – the country went apeshit over the idea that they buy the kit from a non-US company even if it won the bidding fair and square, producing the best product at the best price
[22:40:13] high-rez: i don't care if airbus makes the base transport vehicle
[22:40:27] high-rez: But in that particular case, the bidding was /not/ fair.
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[22:47:42] gbee: high-rez: even if it the bidding process was fair, and plenty of impartial observers say it was, I expect them to paint the picture otherwise, the re-opened bidding process is a sham and I expect to see Boeing win it
[22:48:25] xris: gbee: my state governor filed that lawsuit to reopen the bidding. heh
[22:48:47] xris: personally, I think the US military should buy from a US company... sort of like how the police have to buy american cars...
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[22:50:08] gbee: xris: which would be fine, if they made that policy
[22:51:11] xris: yes. instead, the entire government has a "fair bid" policy that's gotten completely corrupt and is very easy for manufacturers and purchasing agents to abuse.
[22:51:18] xris: simech used to do it all the time for computers...
[22:51:44] xris: military just requests a bid for a specific model number that only we made. others could bid, but no one else made that computer, so we'd win.
[22:51:59] gbee: of course US companies would then squeal when the EU etc put the same policy in place, which is why there is no such policy – it's a veneer of fair play that they will consider foreign bids so that those countries will buy US kit
[22:52:21] gbee: but the foreign bids are never supposed to win ;)
[22:52:52] xris: for some reason, military makes sense to me.. US wouldn't buy jets from china for security reasons.. no reason to mistrust a german company any less.
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[22:53:17] gbee: lets be fair, in the past they've deliberately put terms and conditions in these contracts that only US companies can win – "The CEO must have a middle name Dwight, have a daughter named Alice and be 6'2" tall"
[22:53:24] xris: they get on *my* case about not being patriotic... they should practice what they preach.  :)
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[23:29:46] wagnerrp: gbee: you do realize that we have a trade deficit nearing a trillion dollars, right?
[23:30:01] wagnerrp: we buy far more foreign product, than we sell in foreign market
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[23:33:28] gbee: wagnerrp: yep, around 800 million I think was the figure I last heard
[23:33:41] wagnerrp: (billion)
[23:33:50] wagnerrp: i think that was the 2006 value
[23:34:08] gbee: it's dropped since 2006
[23:34:50] gbee: yeap, here we go – 838 million in 2006, 819 million in 2007 – http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistic . . . al/gands.txt
[23:35:03] gbee: not that the exact figure matters much
[23:37:29] gbee: s/million/billion/
[23:37:35] gbee: tired ;)
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[23:40:07] crudpuppy: anyone in the USA or even better in the SC,USA area do the whole firewire from cable box thing? looking for possiblities before a purchase
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[23:40:43] wagnerrp: south carolina?
[23:40:46] crudpuppy: yeah
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[23:41:09] crudpuppy: charter cable
[23:41:14] wagnerrp: well if you have any computer with firewire, there should be no purchase necessary for cable
[23:41:19] wagnerrp: err... testing
[23:41:37] crudpuppy: didnt think the basic boxs carried firewire ports
[23:41:50] crudpuppy: figured I'd have to up to a hd box
[23:42:08] abqjp: My sister had Charter in Washington state. They turned on 5C on their firewire over a year ago. Don't know about SC, though.
[23:42:10] wagnerrp: i know theres an fcc mandate to make firewire boxes available, i assume thats at no extra charge
[23:42:41] wagnerrp: anyway, at least from my provider, there is no difference in rental for a digital box and an HD box
[23:42:42] crudpuppy: wagnerrp, that may be right
[23:43:07] crudpuppy: wagnerrp, lil more for the hd box and they require the 10 or 15 a month more for hd service if you get the box
[23:43:08] crudpuppy: hehe
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[23:43:20] abqjp: Right FCC says the firewire has to be enabled. Nothing says that the cable company must allow you to use it to record shows, though. Most cable companies use 5C to prevent users from recording over firewire, even when the port is enabled.
[23:43:21] crudpuppy: abqjp, 5c kills the firewire right? from what I've ready
[23:43:53] wagnerrp: yes, usually everything but local broadcast channels are encrypted
[23:43:58] wagnerrp: but some areas are completely open
[23:44:23] crudpuppy: abqjp, is 5c something I can determine right now? read something about being able to tell
[23:44:30] abqjp: Here in Albuquerque, Comcast turned on 5C for everything but local stations 18 months ago. That is why I am SO happy to have the HD-PVR, now.
[23:44:37] crudpuppy: I gaurantee the operator at company wont know
[23:44:43] kormoc: abqjp, the FCC says firewire has to allow you to get your local OTA channels in the clear
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[23:45:02] wagnerrp: call them up, get the operator to tell you one way or another
[23:45:14] abqjp: I use OTA for local. better quality and fewer issues.
[23:45:14] wagnerrp: and if what they tell you turns out to be bogus, demand a refund
[23:45:31] crudpuppy: worth a shot but do you think they will even know what the heck I'm talking about?
[23:45:51] wagnerrp: if you get high enough up on the support chain, someone should know what theyre talking about
[23:46:32] abqjp: Two years ago, when I was trying to get a firewire enabled box, I actually had to file a complaint with the city about Comcast not following the FCC mandate, before Comcast would even admit they had boxes with the firewire port enabled.
[23:46:34] crudpuppy: cool, I'll give that a shot...can anyone tell me exactly what 5c is? is it like the broadcast flag or just some encryption method?
[23:46:45] kormoc: crudpuppy, check the wiki?
[23:46:57] crudpuppy: sorry, I will...was being lazy for a moment
[23:46:58] crudpuppy: hehe
[23:47:02] wagnerrp: 5c is more of an authentication mechanism
[23:47:12] wagnerrp: i believe the data is actually transferred in the clear
[23:47:30] wagnerrp: but you have to be authenticated as a device that will follow the copy-once/copy-never restrictions
[23:47:57] wagnerrp: as of yet, no one has spend the time to figure out how to bypass it
[23:48:13] abqjp: If I had to guess, less then 10% of cable operators allow people to record non-local channels via firewire.
[23:48:18] wagnerrp: a few years ago, someone set up a distributed project to brute force it, but i dont think that went anywhere
[23:48:25] kormoc: wagnerrp, not true. It's an encryption, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Transmis . . . t_Protection
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[23:49:02] kormoc: "The paper specifies Hitachi's M6 cipher as the baseline encryption system"
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[23:49:32] gbee: wagnerrp: probably regret starting this whole debate because like I said, I'm tried and I was really just making an observation about how you'll often see quite blatent US protectionism in a supposedly free market – but the UK's trade deficit, as a precentage of GDP is a fair bit higher than the US yet we're still buying US warplanes at a considerably greater cost to us in % terms than those tankers will cost you – yet we
[23:49:32] gbee: don't have politicians throwing tantrums that the work didn't go to an all UK bid
[23:49:49] Steven_M: hi all
[23:50:21] abqjp: crudpuppy: if you care about getting the best quality, you will want a good ATSC tuner (like the HDHomerun) and a good antenna, for you local stations. For non-local stations, if you want HD, your only sure bet (right now) is getting a HD-PVR.
[23:50:22] wagnerrp: oh, i dont deny that were being overly protectionist
[23:50:30] wagnerrp: im just saying that some of it is warranted
[23:51:15] crudpuppy: abqjp, with the hd-pvr provided by cable company or any other source can I then get the content to my pc from there?
[23:51:36] Steven_M: is 12Mbit a good mpeg 2 encoding rate? I'm new to encoding
[23:51:38] wagnerrp: crudpuppy: abqjp: and by the time you can get a HD-PVR ordered, driver support for it will probably be completely stable
[23:51:57] abqjp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HDPVR
[23:52:02] wagnerrp: crudpuppy: the 'HDPVR' is an analog component capture box with IR blaster
[23:52:13] abqjp: I have been using my HD-PVR to record in myth for several weeks now.
[23:52:23] crudpuppy: oh like the happuage card...was thinking hd-dvr thing cable company offers
[23:52:27] wagnerrp: it controls your cable box, and then records what would have normally be displayed on TV
[23:52:28] gbee: wagnerrp: sure and like I said I've no problem with protectionism if you just give up the pretence that foreign companies are bidding on the level playing field :)
[23:52:40] gbee: s/the/a/
[23:53:27] crudpuppy: nice it is a hauppauge...lol...I've a pvr-150 in the system now
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[23:54:56] abqjp: Steven_M: ATSC HD MPEG2 bitrates max out around 19mbit, if that helps you.
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[23:56:02] wagnerrp: the HDPVR encodes in h.264, so compression rates are going to be considerably higher than mpeg2 ATSC broadcasts
[23:56:49] Steven_M: what's ATSC?
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[23:57:05] wagnerrp: that said, its a single pass hardware encoder, so quality for the same bitrate is considerably less than a proper multi-pass encode
[23:57:16] wagnerrp: ATSC is the format for digital broadcasts in the US
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[23:57:45] abqjp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC
[23:58:06] crudpuppy: are any of the other hd tuners supported as of yet? that thing is high
[23:58:21] Steven_M: wagnerrp: abqjp oh ok, I'm in new zealand
[23:58:27] abqjp: With the HD-PVR, selecting 6Mbit looks good for documentaries. For sports I go for 13Mbit.
[23:58:48] wagnerrp: with the HDPVR, id run at 13mbit always and transcode
[23:59:42] abqjp: crudpuppy: a lot of HD tuners are supported. Like I said, I recommend the HDhomerun. It has two ATSC/QAM tuners built in.

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