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Tuesday, July 15th, 2008, 00:00 UTC
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[01:11:38] wagnerrp: for some reason, mythtv keeps wanting to record Burn Notice
[01:11:59] wagnerrp: i have it set to only record new episodes
[01:12:22] wagnerrp: this episode has already been recorded and deleted twice, and mythtv wants to record it a third time
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[01:14:04] kormoc: so verify it's existence in your oldrecord table?
[01:16:49] wagnerrp: yep, its there
[01:17:07] wagnerrp: actually, its there 7 times
[01:18:40] kormoc: is the duplicate field = 0?
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[01:20:06] wagnerrp: http://www.pastebin.ca/1071893
[01:20:59] wagnerrp: but beyond that, i have the schedule to filter to new episodes only
[01:21:11] wagnerrp: and it says the episode originally aired on the 10th
[01:22:51] kormoc: wagnerrp, the oldrecord.duplicate has to be non-0 for it to not record
[01:22:57] kormoc: you didn't put that in the pastebin at all
[01:24:31] wagnerrp: oh, i didnt understand the question
[01:24:45] wagnerrp: yes, its actually 0 for all episodes of that series
[01:25:10] wagnerrp: none are listed as duplicates or generic
[01:25:22] kormoc: then they don't count as recorded. If they auto-expire or get deleted with the 'Delete and allow re-record' option, it'll re-record
[01:26:44] wagnerrp: well i specifically made sure to use the 'delete' rather than the 'delete and re-record'
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[01:26:58] squish102: kormoc do you know how i should go about trying to figure out why most of my shows shoe as "Rerun" even the news
[01:27:20] kormoc: squish102, cause the importer is saying they're a re-run?
[01:27:33] kormoc: wagnerrp, welp, something is wrong then. that should be set to 1
[01:27:41] squish102: so is it a problem with schedules direct
[01:27:59] kormoc: squish102, could be, I'd try opening a support request with them
[01:28:07] squish102: thanks
[01:28:08] wagnerrp: well i set that recording to specifically not record, so its now wanting to record something next week
[01:30:15] squish102: i wonder if mythtv works out "Reruns" from the data from schedules direct, or does it figure itself out what is a rerun
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[01:32:01] wagnerrp: just turn off duplicate filtering for that schedule
[01:33:41] SHADOW__X: hey wagnerrp hey iamlindoro hey mkrufky
[01:33:56] wagnerrp: evening
[01:34:08] MartinCleaver: hey SHADOW__X1
[01:34:16] MartinCleaver: and SHADOW__X
[01:34:19] wagnerrp: well i forced one of the entried to 'duplicate' in the database, that seems to have fixed it
[01:34:24] MartinCleaver: you got analog to work?
[01:34:33] mkrufky: d'oh!
[01:34:38] mkrufky: it was a busy day today
[01:34:46] mkrufky: i'll forget to ask about it tomorrow, instead
[01:34:50] MartinCleaver: hey, mkrufky 's back
[01:34:56] MartinCleaver: :)
[01:35:13] MartinCleaver: any chance you have some time for me?
[01:35:56] mkrufky: you get better results when you ask questions to the room and i butt in with answers
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[01:36:10] MartinCleaver: ah, right-o :)
[01:36:21] mkrufky: if it's mythtv specific, then this is the place to ask
[01:36:28] mkrufky: if its about drivers, then this is not the place
[01:36:29] ldiamondd: Does this look like a good htpc solution? http://minipc.aopen.com/Global/spec.htm
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[01:38:55] MartinCleaver: ok, anyone seen a good checklist for getting the hvr-1800 running under mythtv? I've gotten dvb to work in the past and had a static picture for analog under tvtime, but since I've rebooted I get neither
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[01:39:54] MartinCleaver: I suspect there might be multiple issues here, but without a checklist it is hard to triangulate
[01:41:55] SHADOW__X: MartinCleaver: you wouldnt want to check with me on analog i have a weird issue that me and mkrufky are trying to resolve so anything that has to due with mine is quite weird and really shouldnt be duplicated
[01:42:07] mkrufky: MartinCleaver: you shouldnt look for anything specific to the hvr1800 — just consider it as an installation with 1 analog card and 1 digital card
[01:42:36] MartinCleaver: so instructions for a hvr-1200 would work?
[01:42:36] SHADOW__X: in the past the raw video side did work on tvtime but that doesnt really matter now since i care about the encoder and am working on that
[01:42:37] SHADOW__X: :D
[01:42:44] MartinCleaver: or any manufacturer?
[01:42:44] ldiamondd is now known as ldiamond
[01:43:00] mkrufky: MartinCleaver: also, the driver you're running has a bug where the analog and digital cant record both at the same time... there are 2 ways around it..... #1, use this tree, instead: http://linuxtv.org/hg/~stoth/cx23885-sram/
[01:43:16] mkrufky: MartinCleaver: #2, use the option "OPEN DVB DEVICE ON DEMAND" in mythtv setup
[01:44:59] MartinCleaver: Where's this OPEN DVB DEVICE ON DEMAND? Under General?
[01:45:10] mkrufky: it in the dvb card setup stuff
[01:45:38] mkrufky: i didnt word it correctly, either
[01:45:42] mkrufky: its something like that
[01:46:02] MartinCleaver: found it
[01:46:04] MartinCleaver: thx
[01:46:18] mkrufky: _anybody_ using a conexant combo card should enable that setting (open dvb device on demand)
[01:46:24] mkrufky: the drivers are good, but they
[01:46:30] mkrufky: but they're not perfect
[01:46:43] mkrufky: and we shouldnt press our luck with them
[01:46:58] SHADOW__X: mhm thats alot of work getting them to work
[01:47:02] SHADOW__X: alot of hardwork
[01:47:06] mkrufky: (this particular bug is fixed in that cx23885-sram tree, it just hasnt been merged yet)
[01:50:12] MartinCleaver: well, I'm still getting blank screens.
[01:50:30] MartinCleaver: is there a channel for tvtime?
[01:50:33] ** MartinCleaver looks **
[01:50:50] SHADOW__X: hmm MartinCleaver maybe you should of looked before you asked :D
[01:50:56] MartinCleaver: there is
[01:51:11] SHADOW__X: tvtime only uses the raw video side
[01:51:41] MartinCleaver: so if I get a blank screen there it must be a kernel driver issue?
[01:51:44] SHADOW__X: so the results from there are going to be diff unless you are setting up myth to use the hvr 1800 as a v4l tuner instead of a mpeg encoder
[01:51:44] mkrufky: dont bother them in tvtime
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[01:51:46] mkrufky: tvtime is fine
[01:52:31] MartinCleaver: I suspect I must have hand-modprobed a driver last time
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[01:53:04] MartinCleaver: tuner is in
[01:53:18] MartinCleaver: cx23885 is in
[01:54:22] SHADOW__X: there is another one
[01:55:38] SHADOW__X: cx25 something
[01:55:45] SHADOW__X: dont remember off the top of my head
[01:56:06] MartinCleaver: cx25840 is in
[01:56:28] MartinCleaver: modprobe -l | grep cx
[01:56:40] MartinCleaver: bunch of others are too
[01:56:50] SHADOW__X: sometimes if the tuner is giving me issues i do modprobe tuner -r then modprobe tuner
[01:57:10] SHADOW__X: try that and cx23885 -r then cx23885
[01:57:12] SHADOW__X: and so on
[01:57:17] SHADOW__X: that might help and issue
[01:57:50] SHADOW__X: but then again that is only sometimes nad i also have odd issues on mine
[01:57:54] SHADOW__X: so yeah
[01:57:58] squish102: anyone know if mythtv is working on someting to stream tv shows to a cellphone? similar to orb.com
[01:58:19] MartinCleaver: y, if I remove them then tvtime won't start
[01:58:29] MartinCleaver: put them back = blank screen
[01:58:33] SHADOW__X: remove them then read them
[01:58:38] MartinCleaver: (tvtime starts, blue screen)
[01:58:59] SHADOW__X: you have to have it tuned to something also in tvtime you might have to change the channel freq
[01:59:06] SHADOW__X: such as us cable hrc irc
[01:59:14] SHADOW__X: that worked for me
[01:59:22] SHADOW__X: the tuner might not be on a channel
[01:59:26] mkrufky: duh!
[01:59:31] mkrufky: MartinCleaver: you have black screen?
[01:59:36] mkrufky: MartinCleaver: do, "modprobe tuner"
[01:59:43] SHADOW__X: did i say something smart?
[01:59:45] SHADOW__X: aww
[01:59:45] SHADOW__X: lol
[01:59:52] SHADOW__X: wait i did say that
[02:00:00] MartinCleaver: shouldn't it give me a fuzzy screen if I had a tuner device?
[02:00:01] mikecharest: the hvr-1600 is not going to work out of the box right
[02:00:28] mkrufky: no NEW products ever work out of the box, mikecharest
[02:00:37] mikecharest: lol thanks
[02:00:40] mkrufky: with NEW products you need NEW drivers
[02:00:45] MartinCleaver: I did say I was getting a blank screen
[02:00:49] SHADOW__X: :) yay new
[02:00:49] MartinCleaver: anyhow
[02:00:56] MartinCleaver: yes, its black
[02:01:03] MartinCleaver: and I have done modprobe tuner
[02:01:15] mkrufky: now do modprobe tuner -r and modprobe tuner again
[02:01:23] mkrufky: i dont know why that fixes it, but it does
[02:01:30] mkrufky: theres a bug in there somewhere
[02:01:55] MartinCleaver: same
[02:01:58] SHADOW__X: hey mkrufky i said that :( i guess because i am not you MartinCleaver doesnt want to listen to me
[02:01:59] ** MartinCleaver tries again **
[02:02:07] MartinCleaver: I did do it last time too
[02:02:08] MartinCleaver: :)
[02:02:17] mkrufky: you didnt say it, SHADOW__X — i checked the logs
[02:02:31] mkrufky: you said cx25840 and cx23885, but it really doesnt matter
[02:03:08] SHADOW__X: (9:56:49 PM) SHADOW__X: sometimes if the tuner is giving me issues i do modprobe tuner -r then modprobe tuner
[02:03:10] SHADOW__X: no?
[02:03:13] SHADOW__X: no good
[02:03:18] mkrufky: ok, u said it :-)
[02:03:33] SHADOW__X: alright
[02:03:56] MartinCleaver: tda829x 2–0042: could not clearly identify tuner address, defaulting to 60
[02:04:02] MartinCleaver: (dmesg)
[02:04:07] mkrufky: doesnt matter
[02:04:20] mkrufky: (the tuner is at 60, so no problem there)
[02:04:25] MartinCleaver: any other log I should at?
[02:05:06] mkrufky: there should be something about a TDA18271HD/C1 being detected
[02:05:22] mkrufky: this is off-topic
[02:05:25] mkrufky: and we dont belong in here
[02:05:32] mkrufky: if you need to talk about this, meet me in #linuxtv
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[02:06:52] MartinCleaver: --> #linuxtv
[02:07:08] Dagmar: MartinCleaver: You might wanna consider setting an options argument in modprobe.conf to force that to a specific value
[02:07:21] Dagmar: It guessed right this time, but there's no guarantee it'll continue to do so.
[02:07:30] MartinCleaver: ok, thx
[02:07:33] Dagmar: This is one of the reasons we strongly discourage framegrabbers.
[02:07:35] mkrufky: no, not in this case
[02:07:47] Dagmar: mkrufky: It guessed wrong?
[02:08:03] mkrufky: its guessing right because the "guess" functionality doesnt work on THAT board. and i wrote the driver for THAT board, so it will always guess right
[02:08:05] Dagmar: Bummer
[02:08:09] mkrufky: it works correctly on all other boards
[02:08:22] mkrufky: it opens up an i2c gate and does a probe
[02:08:23] Dagmar: So, dumb luck then
[02:08:33] mkrufky: but the i2c gate on that particular board doesnt work the same way
[02:08:43] mkrufky: no, not dumb luck, lol — i hardcoded it
[02:08:53] Dagmar: Ah you should probably change the verbiage then
[02:08:57] mkrufky: nah
[02:09:01] mkrufky: you're right, ideally
[02:09:01] mkrufky: but.
[02:09:03] mkrufky: ...
[02:09:09] mkrufky: im maskign a bugh
[02:09:12] mkrufky: and thats that .
[02:09:18] mkrufky: :-D
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[02:09:59] mkrufky: here, i'll explain better
[02:10:02] mkrufky: this is what i did
[02:10:10] mkrufky: i programmed it to have a sane default if it cant probe
[02:10:20] ** MartinCleave1 wonders whether this conv should be in #linuxtv **
[02:10:27] mkrufky: and i programmed the sane default to be that of the board i programmed it for, for which i KNOW it will never probe anyway
[02:10:38] mkrufky: ,,,and all other boards done have that particular problem
[02:10:56] ldiamond: Can aopen products be trusted? or are they all crap?
[02:11:01] Dagmar: Okay, so you're assuming there might be other boards wot can't be probed that will use a different address
[02:11:06] mkrufky: you're right, MartinCleave, but i just wanted to explain it to Dagmar, who has made a good point. but i do not expect him to follow me into #linuxtv
[02:11:06] Dagmar: That's quite reasonable.
[02:11:15] mkrufky: yes
[02:11:49] mkrufky: and so for now, rather than say "I know i just failed, because i'll fail on board XYZ" ... i decided to just make it go with the flow with the default
[02:11:52] MartinCleave1: there so needs to be a way to flush IRC conversations into the wiki
[02:11:59] Dagmar: Vendors who make devices which are not a "fixed/known" operation using the same prod/vendor codes should be force to remove all mention of PCI compliance from their packaging
[02:12:01] Dagmar: ...and be shot.
[02:12:29] mkrufky: lol
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[02:12:39] Dagmar: ldiamond: They're "exceptionally cheap"
[02:12:42] mkrufky: im not exactly sure how to interpret that one
[02:12:45] Dagmar: Sometimes cheap is okay, other times it's not.
[02:13:05] ldiamond: by "exceptionally cheap" you mean cheap and low quality?
[02:13:10] Dagmar: Pretty much.
[02:13:17] Dagmar: Like, let's take a chassis for example.
[02:13:36] Dagmar: Those can be cheap as hell and still work, if you don't mind slashing your hands up inside them on the unfinished edges and bleeding everywhere.
[02:13:41] ldiamond: well, I was looking at their MoDT boards actually
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[02:13:57] Dagmar: Cheap RAM? Maybe not so useful. Super-cheap power supply? Kiss your hardware goodbye, soon.
[02:13:59] ldiamond: Ive seen bad thing from aopen
[02:14:26] ldiamond: I need to find a company that makes MoDT then
[02:14:31] ldiamond: other than aopen
[02:14:32] mkrufky: i found relatively cheap hardware that i think i will purchase tonight, to become my new mythbackend
[02:14:40] mkrufky: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816110019
[02:14:47] wagnerrp: what? you mean this $40 2KW Ultra power supply isnt a good deal?
[02:15:18] Dagmar: wagnerrp: Maybe if I wanted to use it to light model rocket igniters
[02:16:11] Dagmar: mkrufky: Hmm... That's a great way to keep all that pesky money from piling up where you could I dunno, trip over it or something
[02:16:26] wagnerrp: ive had to dissuade many friends from buying cheap shit hardware over the years
[02:16:33] mkrufky: lol, i think its a good deal!
[02:16:47] ldiamond: What exactly is the backend doing?
[02:17:05] Dagmar: wagnerrp: One of the things I found telling about hte failure of CompUSA is that I went into the local one to try to take advantage of sale prices during liquidation
[02:17:09] wagnerrp: like, what is yours doing at the moment? or what does it do in general?
[02:17:11] ldiamond: ive seen people having backend on one computer and frontend on another
[02:17:16] ldiamond: is this really needed?
[02:17:16] Dagmar: Every power supply they had was 650W or higher.
[02:17:24] Dagmar: ldiamond: Not entirely, no.
[02:17:33] Dagmar: ldiamond: Some of us spend too much money on disk tho
[02:17:43] mkrufky: Dagmar: sure, its much more of a machine than one might need for a typical backend..... but keep in mind that ive maxed out 4 750 sata drives and would like to be able to have 8 in one machine
[02:17:46] ldiamond: well, the backend is pretty much storage then?
[02:17:54] Dagmar: ...and there's the matter of you can make a frontend REALLY quiet if you don't put any more hardware in it than it strictly necessary for playback
[02:18:15] Dagmar: mkrufky: But $1000?
[02:18:21] mkrufky: i think its a steal
[02:18:26] Dagmar: *Surely* you can get those parts a little cheaper
[02:18:38] Dagmar: Anything with "server" in the name tends to be 50% more expensive than necessary
[02:18:42] wagnerrp: yeah, ive got a 500W in my desktop, and a 650W in my server
[02:18:43] mkrufky: yes, i can .... but not in such a perfect enclosure
[02:18:54] wagnerrp: that plus 3 LCDs and ive never run over power on my 500W UPS
[02:19:08] Dagmar: wagnerrp: The problem being it wasn't "just" 650W, 700W. It was ratings all the way to 1100W and shit.
[02:19:12] mkrufky: heheh yeah i think the 750W PSU is a bit much
[02:19:21] ldiamond: mkrufky, are you going to run raid 5?
[02:19:41] wagnerrp: what im saying is that there is no reason for that kind of power in a computer
[02:19:42] mkrufky: i learned the hard way that i should NOT run raid5 on mythtv recording drives
[02:19:44] Dagmar: This is much like putting turbo-chargers and blowers in a volkswagon beetle.
[02:20:03] wagnerrp: the only reason i have the 650W is for the additional power plugs
[02:20:08] ldiamond: well, for recording, you'd need a good raid adapter.
[02:20:09] mkrufky: haha ...
[02:20:24] wagnerrp: and even then im far under-utilizing it, and need more plugs
[02:20:36] Dagmar: Their brick and mortar stores failed because they went to epic lengths to overcharge for the shit pretty much no one needed.
[02:20:47] mkrufky: ...and when i saw this i just though... wow! all that for just 1000
[02:20:49] ldiamond: and even then, my cheap rocketraid 1640 most likely can handle the recording bandwidth
[02:21:12] ldiamond: mkrufky, are you only looking for storage?
[02:22:04] mkrufky: i want a new machine that will take over all of the functions of my old backend, but for it to START with 3 TB of storage to be expandable in the future
[02:22:23] mkrufky: i plan to buy two of the e5405 processors
[02:22:25] Dagmar: Hot-swap SATA (esp considering it's all hot-swappable) cages for 5.25" bays are like $15 apiece
[02:22:33] mkrufky: ( each 2 GHz quad cores)
[02:22:42] mkrufky: wow that cheap?
[02:22:42] Dagmar: I can't even guess how they managed to come up with $1k as a price tag on that
[02:22:48] mkrufky: hmmm
[02:22:52] mkrufky: so u think its a rip off?
[02:23:05] wagnerrp: what the hell are you doing that you need a pair of xeon quads?
[02:23:08] Dagmar: Lian-Li and Chen-Ming make all kindsa aluminum cases that are pretty much all drive bays down the front
[02:23:11] mkrufky: i dont NEED
[02:23:13] mkrufky: i WANT
[02:23:16] mkrufky: :-D
[02:23:27] Dagmar: I think for that price it should at LEAST be in a 19" rack-mountable case, and come with a blowjob.
[02:23:27] mkrufky: i'll add it to my distcc group
[02:23:35] mkrufky: lol
[02:23:43] mkrufky: it has castor wheels
[02:24:04] Dagmar: People get greedy and stupid when the word "server" is involved.
[02:24:18] SHADOW__X: mkrufky: could Mythtv really use all of that power
[02:24:21] SHADOW__X: just a question
[02:24:24] mkrufky: i specifically avoided the 1u rack cases... i want to store this in a corner of the room
[02:24:35] Dagmar: I kinda got involved with chewing the ass of the sales rep for a particular four-letter computer maker a couple months ago because of the little game their salesmen were playing with the servers they shipped us.
[02:24:41] mkrufky: SHADOW__X: it would do more than just mythtv
[02:25:02] mkrufky: i look that that company's servers, and i got agida
[02:25:03] Dagmar: You kinda notice when you're told to rack something, and there's two 1Gb sticks of PC2–533 just kinda stuffed into the same bag as the manuals.
[02:25:26] Dagmar: The sales rep was claiming their system didn't let them remove the original ram from the build order.
[02:25:26] mkrufky: i love buying from (that company) when its for businesses, or if its a cheap desktop for a friend, or laptop for myself
[02:25:39] Dagmar: Sad, sad luck for him I used to work for that company, in business sales.
[02:26:04] mkrufky: haha they pulled that on me when i bought some servers from them for my old company, too
[02:26:25] Dagmar: They were a little pissed when I went into the website thing, took the order, and put it in correctly, and dropped $400 off the price.
[02:26:40] Dagmar: My parting comment was "Tough shit. Don't screw over my people."
[02:26:45] mkrufky: lol
[02:26:46] Dagmar: Not very professional, but screw that kid.
[02:26:56] Dagmar: I could drive down there and chew his boss out if I wanted.
[02:27:13] Dagmar: It's like a 15–20 minute drive from my office to get to their BNA facility where he was at
[02:27:52] mkrufky: BNA ?
[02:27:56] Dagmar: It's no damn wonder I was catching hell for setting up orders that "technical sales reps" couldn't close.
[02:28:03] mkrufky: haha
[02:28:10] Dagmar: Nashville, TN. BNA is the airport, which is right next door.
[02:28:19] phunyguy: i will guess DELL?
[02:28:35] Dagmar: I'm not kidding when I say I put together a single $35,000+ order during my last month there
[02:28:46] mkrufky: i dont doubt it
[02:28:50] Dagmar: He needed RAID5 and lots of it.
[02:29:02] mkrufky: :-)
[02:29:22] Dagmar: I told him how to budget it, how to deplout it, etc etc. The TSRs were too busy trying to find ways to pad the order to actually listen to what the guy was saying.
[02:29:23] mkrufky: ... . right now i was totally about to buy that server and now i am not sure
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[02:29:42] mkrufky: i kinda want all of the funtionality that it has, except for that crappy ATI ES1000 .....
[02:30:02] wagnerrp: youre buying a SERVER, its not supposed to have graphics capability
[02:30:07] SHADOW__X: heh
[02:30:08] mkrufky: i know
[02:30:15] SHADOW__X: if you want that do workstation
[02:30:18] SHADOW__X: close to both works
[02:30:21] SHADOW__X: worlds*
[02:30:26] mkrufky: nah, i want a server
[02:30:40] mkrufky: i usually repurpose old machines to make my linux servers, but im tired of maintaining their old hardware
[02:30:41] Dagmar: I'd say just use NewEggs' search to take a look at what dual-Xeon boards they're selling
[02:30:46] mkrufky: thats why i wanted to go all out this time
[02:30:57] wagnerrp: besides, you can just grab a PCIE card
[02:31:02] mkrufky: no!
[02:31:08] mkrufky: no PCIe card allowed
[02:31:11] wagnerrp: its not like youre going to get a decent onboard graphics chip
[02:31:14] wagnerrp: why not?
[02:31:15] mkrufky: i must max out the PCIe card with HVR2250's
[02:31:16] SHADOW__X: right i completely understand what your saying mkrufky
[02:31:21] SHADOW__X: lol
[02:31:25] mkrufky: (dual atsc/qam boards)
[02:31:38] mkrufky: there will be a linux driver one day for those
[02:31:47] Dagmar: mkrufky: Seriously tho man
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[02:32:03] Dagmar: If you';re looking to build something that's going to last a long time, you should worry more about upgrade path than you should what you can get "right now":
[02:32:22] wagnerrp: HVR2250s are the quad tuner cards?
[02:32:24] mkrufky: upgrade path is part of what i like about this machine
[02:32:27] mkrufky: no, dual
[02:32:31] mkrufky: but they're not available yet
[02:32:41] wagnerrp: 2 analog, 2 digital (quad)
[02:32:50] mkrufky: its dual hybrid
[02:32:57] mkrufky: but i only care about the digital side
[02:33:36] wagnerrp: you have fully clear digital cable?
[02:33:38] Dagmar: Holy crap Intel has started charging large dollars for dual socket boards
[02:34:30] phunyguy: yay i can play DVDs again!
[02:34:52] mkrufky: Dagmar: i think if i wanted to be frugal about it, i can probably get something like that for 600 ...... but i decided it was worth the extra few hundred for a barebones system known to operate well and this way i dont have to deal with cabling or cooling or any of the typical stuff you have to deal with when building a system from scratch
[02:35:37] wagnerrp: you know, if i were going to spend that kind of money on something like that
[02:35:39] Dagmar: Actually, Lian-Li and Antec both have a number of cases in the $100 range that are of the "mostly vents" type
[02:35:44] mkrufky: also.. i kinda think that this machine is very close to the "most bang for the buck" mark in a system of that type
[02:35:53] wagnerrp: i would at least get it from someone who is known for server parts, like supermicro
[02:36:14] Dagmar: mkrufky: Dude, I only spent $300 on the new frontend box
[02:36:24] Dagmar: It's got an X2 4600 in it
[02:36:51] mkrufky: ok
[02:36:52] Dagmar: It'll be upgradable to about twice that speed or more in the next year or two
[02:37:01] Dagmar: I don't see that $1,000 machine being quite that upgradable
[02:37:23] mkrufky: i can buy faster processors and more memory when i feel like i need an upgrade
[02:37:40] mkrufky: i might be crazy for thinking of buying 2 quads now
[02:37:44] mkrufky: maybe i;; just get one now
[02:37:49] Dagmar: Oh really.
[02:37:57] SHADOW__X: isnt intel coming out with a newer socket soon
[02:38:02] mkrufky: and later i can replace the single 2.0 ghz quad with two 3.0 ghz quads
[02:38:19] mkrufky: im only going to get 2 or 4 GB ram for now ..... the system is upgradeable to 48 GB ram !!
[02:38:21] riddlebox: does anyone use the mediaMVP?
[02:38:24] Dagmar: It's LGA771
[02:38:33] SHADOW__X: hmm
[02:38:43] mkrufky: yes, LGA771 seems to be less popular now
[02:38:50] mkrufky: *much* less popular
[02:39:05] wagnerrp: dual quad 3GHz is pointless on current systems
[02:39:09] Dagmar: So let's hope Intel keeps it around, 'cuz otherwise you're boned.
[02:39:16] wagnerrp: they dont have the memory bandwidth to keep that kind of power fed
[02:39:28] Dagmar: That's my big worry. Even though 771 is new, they're still making WAY more 775's
[02:39:39] mkrufky: consider what i want this for — its for a HOME server
[02:39:53] Dagmar: Yeah, so how much transcoding do you do?
[02:40:07] mkrufky: if i cant upgrade past 3.0 GHz quads, u think i'll have trouble? (j/k)
[02:40:26] mkrufky: lol, i can i NO way justify the need for such processing power
[02:40:34] Dagmar: It's just that the closer to the cutting edge you get, the higher prices go, disproportionately.
[02:40:43] mkrufky: i will use the cpus more for kernel builds than transcoding, lol
[02:41:03] mkrufky: ah, yes ... the 2.0 ghz quad is $200 — sweet spot today
[02:41:03] wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182153
[02:41:12] Dagmar: Like, I *could* have bought an X3 or X4 and made it "cost effective" for this new frontend, but I don't need it, and I know if I just wait a year, those chips will be dirt cheap
[02:41:17] mkrufky: in a year or two i can get the 3GHz probably for $150
[02:41:23] ** MartinCleave1 bought 1xQ6600, and has never got anywhere near taxing it **
[02:41:46] Dagmar: I should farking hope so because I'll be buying X4 7500+'s in a year or so
[02:41:53] mkrufky: heh
[02:41:54] Dagmar: ...and still using the same board.
[02:42:00] mkrufky: i was also thinking of running VM's on it
[02:42:04] Dagmar: ...and I expect to spend about $80 on them.
[02:42:11] ** MartinCleave1 runs VMs on his\ **
[02:42:12] SHADOW__X: hmm
[02:42:37] MartinCleave1: the expense is my time – makes no sense to skimp on the h/w
[02:42:38] mkrufky: i wonder if a VM would work over an X session
[02:42:45] Dagmar: Whoa...
[02:42:50] wagnerrp: is the 2250 a half or full height card?
[02:42:52] mkrufky: it should... but no graphics stuff
[02:42:52] Dagmar: The FBS on this tops out at 1600?
[02:42:53] SHADOW__X: the new c2d 9450 is a pretty damn fast quad core even compared to the q6600 which i have one as well
[02:42:55] Dagmar: er FSB
[02:43:08] jams: mkrufky- i run vmware over X all the time
[02:43:09] ldiamond: What company make good MoDT boards?
[02:43:21] Dagmar: ldiamond: Major clue: "MoDT" is just a buzzword.
[02:43:43] Dagmar: It basically means, "we put laptop motehrboards in a mid-tower case"
[02:43:53] mkrufky: jams: good to know! so yet another reason why this server might be good for me
[02:43:54] Dagmar: But you can just *buy* 45W CPUs outright.
[02:44:03] ldiamond: well, its pretty much a desktop mobo using laptop chips and chipsets
[02:44:06] jams: mkrufky- thats workstation edition, and over my GB lan
[02:44:13] mkrufky: ok
[02:44:16] Dagmar: ...and Dell's been selling those for awhile now.
[02:44:23] jams: if your using vmserver you shouldn't have a problem either as it's setup for that sort of thing
[02:44:31] mkrufky: perfect
[02:44:42] ldiamond: Dagmar, do they make 45W desktop cpus?
[02:44:43] mkrufky: so windows vm over X works just fine?
[02:44:43] Dagmar: Their SFF (Small Form Factor) and CFF (Compact Form Factor) Optiplex machines are practically laptops in a dinky little case wiht a full-sized disk
[02:44:50] Dagmar: ldiamond: Oh yes
[02:44:59] ldiamond: really? what model?
[02:45:19] jams: mkrufky- yep, just don't try to run games
[02:45:23] mkrufky: haha
[02:45:33] Dagmar: ldioamond: This is kind of a long URL but http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc=
[02:45:33] riddlebox: I am using a mediaMVP, and it plays my mpg files from my pvr500, but it doesnt play the recordings that are nuv files from another tuner?
[02:45:44] wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811152050
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[02:45:56] mkrufky: Dagmar: your main argument why i shouldnt buy this system is because its way more than i need ... is that correct?
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[02:45:59] SHADOW__X: ldiamond: i have a 45 amd dual core
[02:46:02] SHADOW__X: it runs fine
[02:46:15] wagnerrp: that board and case are the same price, smaller, better power supply, better board with more PCIe slots
[02:46:15] SHADOW__X: they have had em out for awhile
[02:46:15] mkrufky: Dagmar: because if thats the reason, then i think i am going to buy it right now :-D
[02:46:18] Dagmar: AMD has been rolling out the 65W and lower chips for some months now
[02:46:28] wagnerrp: and, its rackmountable!
[02:46:40] Dagmar: mkrufky: I'm thinking with a bit of trouble you could shave at least 30% off that price and still get the same speed
[02:47:00] SHADOW__X: Dagmar: but if you in the 65watt range intels a better power/performance
[02:47:24] ldiamond: euh, only amd makes it?
[02:47:26] Dagmar: Shadow: Unless you're ready to back up those statements with spreadsheets of your own, don't bother
[02:47:31] jams: mkrufky- you might also look into rdesktop for everyday usage, it's a bit more lightweight then X!!
[02:47:36] mkrufky: Dagmar: ok
[02:47:44] SHADOW__X: mkrufky: yeah i agree with Dagmar you can def do a good amount better setting it up yourself
[02:47:57] mkrufky: jams: i know... just saying hypothetically
[02:48:17] SHADOW__X: Dagmar: spreadsheets no but working with current gen amd and intels you can tell a bit difference
[02:48:25] Dagmar: "$blah is better" changes from month to month, and across the board is STILL generally the same for hte mid- to low-end prices
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[02:48:44] wagnerrp: s/and/amd/?
[02:48:47] jams: ok
[02:48:51] Dagmar: It's only the ultra-high end where there's any differntiation, and even that tends to lean towards "Intel charges an asston to get there"
[02:49:34] SHADOW__X: Dagmar: i am just saying that for all out performance as mkrufky is clearly working towards i was just saying intel penryn
[02:49:48] Dagmar: Yeah but for that price he could build two machines.
[02:49:49] mkrufky: so... has anybody seen any other interesting systems that you think i should take a look at before i slip into an impulse-buy?
[02:50:00] Dagmar: ...and they'd outperform the one
[02:50:07] SHADOW__X: eh you can get a intel 8400 for like 180 now
[02:50:23] SHADOW__X: 8400 is crazy fast
[02:52:28] ldiamond: intel doesnt make 45W or lower power desktop CPUs?
[02:52:39] Dagmar: Shadow_X: It's still only a 3.0Ghz core
[02:52:41] ldiamond: cause most AMD mobo got ATI integrated graphics :(
[02:53:25] Dagmar: ldiamond: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;Order=PRICE
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[02:53:31] Dagmar: Go there. Look on the left hand column.
[02:53:38] Dagmar: Down at the bottom there is "Thermal Power"
[02:53:54] Dagmar: Set it to what you want to know and push the Search button.
[02:54:16] SHADOW__X: Dagmar: whats the highest amd has hit right now they need something newer they are already hitting their wall thats why they tried to find a niche market by making the 45 watt cpus
[02:54:19] Dagmar: Intel makes what you're looking into, but there's still a very serious relationship between heat and speed.
[02:54:23] wagnerrp: mkrufky: look for rackmountable cases
[02:54:39] Dagmar: Just like Fast-Good-Cheap, with CPUs you get Fast-Cool-Cheap
[02:54:40] wagnerrp: you can always remove the mounts and stand then sideways
[02:54:46] Dagmar: You can basically only have two.
[02:54:48] mkrufky: i dont want a rackmount
[02:55:00] ldiamond: Im gonna have to find benchmarks for these CPUs
[02:55:05] mkrufky: i wanted a pedestal server
[02:55:11] mkrufky: or whatever thats called
[02:55:11] ldiamond: the intel ones seem a bit slow... :(
[02:55:19] Dagmar: shadow: Probably the black ones
[02:56:20] Dagmar: ...and lets face it, "fastest" doesn't mean shit unless you're spending someone else's money, because "fastest" always means "you're paying way too much"
[02:56:22] ldiamond: Intel only have celeron single core at 35W :(
[02:56:36] SHADOW__X: eh i dont know Dagmar the black ones arent that great even in benchmarks and yes those are synthetic and dont really illustrate real world use but other benches do show that its ahead
[02:56:44] ldiamond: well, theres "fastest" and "reasonably fast"
[02:56:47] SHADOW__X: ldiamond: if you want something 45 watt amd is the way to go
[02:56:50] Dagmar: "fastest" isn't even what drives the quarterly balance sheets
[02:57:15] Dagmar: It's only good for reporters to stroke it over.
[02:57:24] Dagmar: ...and for salesmen to act like they know something.
[02:57:47] SHADOW__X: heh
[02:57:49] SHADOW__X: yeah
[02:58:00] SHADOW__X: but results matter and seeing it be faster is good
[02:58:34] Dagmar: The last several purchases I've made Intel and AMD were within about 3% of each other in price in the mid-range stuff I'm buying, and I've been doing AMD just because I've been able to recycle more of the hardware
[02:58:56] Dagmar: Shadow_X: Dude, where I work there's a >1000 CPU node cluster
[02:59:02] Dagmar: They don't even buy the high end stuff.
[02:59:28] SHADOW__X: right
[02:59:39] Dagmar: They probably push farther into that range than I do tho. They're usually getting stuff that's 3/4 of state of the art speeds.
[02:59:41] SHADOW__X: there are other factors that have to do with that though
[02:59:48] ldiamond: when you do cluster, its sometimes cheaper to get more slower CPU
[03:00:45] SHADOW__X: intel and amd are natively better at certain instruction sets
[03:01:27] SHADOW__X: them choosing stuff for a cluster all depends on what they are doing
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[03:01:53] Dagmar: I think we can all agree tho that VIA CPUs are damn slow, across the board.
[03:01:58] Dagmar: :)
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[03:02:25] SHADOW__X: agreed
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[03:02:30] SHADOW__X: although i have to say
[03:02:45] SHADOW__X: i belive their new c7 or maybe c8 chips seem to be progressing nicely
[03:07:02] mkrufky: yeah, i am crazy for wanting both quads now ... i should just get one
[03:07:29] ldiamond: Humm, if I could find a uATX board with socket P, DDR2 PC5300 sodimm, svideo out, dvi, that can do HD, it would be perfect
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[03:08:10] ldiamond: VIA cpu have much lower power consumption tho
[03:08:21] iamlindoro: too bad they're horrendous pieces of shit
[03:08:26] ldiamond: not exactly the same target users
[03:09:03] ldiamond: c7 are great processors...
[03:09:12] iamlindoro: ummmm no.
[03:09:25] ldiamond: they definitely are, its a nice architecture
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[03:09:41] ldiamond: its not for desktop computers tho
[03:09:45] iamlindoro: Every VIA processor, from start to finish, is a train wreck for Myth purposes
[03:09:56] ldiamond: its very nice in embedded applications
[03:10:05] SHADOW__X: lol the next gen has some promises but you need a real cpu for this
[03:10:13] iamlindoro: This ain't #embedded-users
[03:10:16] SHADOW__X: lol
[03:10:29] SHADOW__X: and ldiamond what you are looking for is going to be hard to find
[03:10:33] ldiamond: does that mean I cant say C7 are good processors.
[03:10:39] ldiamond: yea I know lol
[03:10:49] ldiamond: ive been looking for hours!
[03:11:23] SHADOW__X: also ldiamond what you want really isnt real esp if you are looking for an integrated vid card on a mobile chipset to handle hd
[03:11:24] SHADOW__X: lol
[03:11:25] ** cesman see ldiamond is still hunting for a motherboard & cpu **
[03:11:27] SHADOW__X: goodluck
[03:11:28] ldiamond: Cause my laptop got a T7300, I could swap in a Penryn CPU and use the T7300 in the htpc
[03:11:46] ldiamond: and I got a gb ram laying around
[03:11:50] SHADOW__X: eh
[03:11:51] SHADOW__X: ok
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[03:14:22] ldiamond: you dont think Intel GMA X3100 can handle HD?
[03:16:00] ldiamond: cesman, im still hunting for a mobo that will fit that: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_spec . . . amp;area=usa
[03:16:25] ldiamond: I wonder why they made that case if nothing fits in it.
[03:16:27] cesman: ldiamond: the x3100 should be more than capable of handling HD
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[03:17:28] cesman: ldiamond: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/i965gmt_la
[03:17:51] SHADOW__X: i guess the true test would be implementation
[03:17:53] SHADOW__X: :D
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[03:18:31] ldiamond: yea I saw that aopen board
[03:18:36] ldiamond: theres only one problem
[03:18:38] ldiamond: its an aopen
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[03:19:11] ldiamond: GMA950?
[03:19:18] ldiamond: sounds a bit too low for hd no?
[03:20:16] SHADOW__X: gma950
[03:20:21] SHADOW__X: hehe hf with hd
[03:20:33] SHADOW__X: i would do dedicated graphics card
[03:20:35] SHADOW__X: but thats me
[03:20:57] iamlindoro: You apparently believe the GPU does more in linux than it actually does-- if you have a GPU w/ Xv support that is capable of HD resolution, it will play HD.
[03:21:09] iamlindoro: and the Intel graphics work quite well for Myth, including HD output
[03:21:37] SHADOW__X: hmm
[03:22:02] SHADOW__X: so thats it then
[03:22:23] SHADOW__X: i guess i am retaining too much thought of the windows drivers how they have hd support and use that instead of cpu
[03:24:10] SHADOW__X: iamlindoro: do you think the hd onto the card support will be in linux anytime soon?
[03:24:54] iamlindoro: SHADOW__X: What HD onto the card? Do you mean h.264 hardware offload? Because linux already supports some offloading of MPEG-2 content onto the GPU.
[03:25:31] SHADOW__X: ah ok
[03:25:55] SHADOW__X: i knew some cards have hardware offload now
[03:25:58] iamlindoro: I think that actual working, implemented solutions for h.264 decode in hardware for linux are medium term, personally (ie a year or more before there is a solution that works sort-of reliably and is used in any projects)
[03:26:19] SHADOW__X: wasnt sure if the driver had it working
[03:26:21] SHADOW__X: ah ok
[03:26:33] SHADOW__X: more important things to worry about?
[03:26:36] iamlindoro: SHADOW__X: MPEG-2 offload (XvMc) is quite old, has been around for ages. h.264 offload (nVidia purevideo, ATI aViVo, etc) is newer but still not brand new or anything.
[03:26:50] iamlindoro: h.264 offload doesn't exist in linux at all
[03:26:52] iamlindoro: yet
[03:27:02] SHADOW__X: oh ok
[03:27:10] iamlindoro: And realistically, you can do all the work in CPU today, so it's not like it's currently a dealbreaker anyway
[03:27:14] SHADOW__X: thanks for splaining it to me
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[03:27:27] SHADOW__X: does it tax it much
[03:27:29] ldiamond: theres h264 offload in windows?
[03:27:33] mkrufky: l8r
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[03:27:40] iamlindoro: that said, there are new software solutions coming to ffmpeg for better multithreading, and some promising projects for h.264 hardware accel in the pipeline, but nothing "real" yet
[03:27:45] iamlindoro: ldiamond: yes
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[03:28:18] iamlindoro: in fact, nVidia, ATI and Intel *all* have the ability to do it with various of their GPUs
[03:28:23] ldiamond: cmon, some1 has to do h264 offload in linux!
[03:28:24] SHADOW__X: ah ok sounds great iamlindoro do you think ffmpeg will have smp support for flvs anytime soon
[03:29:02] iamlindoro: SHADOW__X: why in the world would one care about multithreaded flv? But yes, there is a project to all multithreading to most/all codecs
[03:29:26] iamlindoro: ldiamond: That fact that you exclaim such shows that you have no concept of just how hard and specialized that task is
[03:30:20] SHADOW__X: ah ok iamlindoro i work on other stuff besides my mythtv box
[03:30:20] SHADOW__X: lol
[03:30:30] iamlindoro: like I said, there are various projects going to add h,264 hardware offload, but it is very, very specialized work involving intimate knowledge of the GPU hardware
[03:30:33] SHADOW__X: and thanks for explaining all this stuff
[03:30:39] iamlindoro: SHADOW__X: np
[03:31:07] SHADOW__X: the whole intimate knowledge thing isnt the easiest to come accross either and isnt the easiest thing
[03:31:10] SHADOW__X: mucho work
[03:37:01] SHADOW__X: hey iamlindoro do you get some channels that dont have the rc flag on but still have cci code at 00x02
[03:37:26] iamlindoro: Have never needed to look at the STB menu, I get everything, so I wouldn't know
[03:37:49] SHADOW__X: hmm
[03:37:49] SHADOW__X: alright
[03:38:22] SHADOW__X: because i cant get some channels but according to the box they arent encrypted and according to the cci 00x02 code from what i have found online it says to just not send to pc
[03:38:25] SHADOW__X: or something close
[03:38:33] SHADOW__X: i am guessing their isnt a way arround that
[03:38:46] iamlindoro: That's possible, yes, but no, there's no way around it
[03:39:00] iamlindoro: It's very possible for the channel to be unencrypted, and the box to set 5C on it
[03:39:08] iamlindoro: if it's unencrypted, just get it via QAM
[03:39:37] SHADOW__X: hmm maybe it was just my scan but alot of channels that arent encrypted i still dont get on qam
[03:39:40] SHADOW__X: does that makes sense
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[03:39:47] SHADOW__X: or is it something dumb
[03:40:02] iamlindoro: It only makes sense insofar as you are probably reading the STB settings menu wrong
[03:40:10] iamlindoro: (or don't know what the entries mean)
[03:40:26] iamlindoro: But I'm not the person to ask about what they *do* mean since I've never needed to
[03:40:57] iamlindoro: look at them, that is
[03:42:18] SHADOW__X: ah ok
[03:42:42] SHADOW__X: well i was interpreting them from a random explanation i found on a tivo forum on comcast stb
[03:42:43] SHADOW__X: lol
[03:43:02] iamlindoro: probably not the best source
[03:43:19] SHADOW__X: right
[03:43:23] SHADOW__X: hmm
[03:44:03] SHADOW__X: is there a good place to find help on that or would motorolas pdf be a good place
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[03:50:19] iamlindoro: You're probably need to find the service manual for it to know things for sure
[03:52:24] SHADOW__X: oh ok sounds good
[03:52:27] SHADOW__X: thanks again
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[03:58:01] SHADOW__X: i personally think that i should be able to call comcast demand everything be clear and get it
[03:58:02] SHADOW__X: :D
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[04:02:59] SHADOW__X: hey iamlindoro do you have internet through comcast
[04:03:53] SHADOW__X: i am just currious about the max speed teir they have by you
[04:06:15] iamlindoro: It's their "Blast" Internet, which is more or less 20 Mbit/s for the first few moments of any transfer, and 8 Mbit/s sustained
[04:06:53] SHADOW__X: hmm
[04:06:59] SHADOW__X: so very close to here
[04:07:38] SHADOW__X: i have blast here too it hits 40Mbit/s then goes down to 16 Mbit/s sustained
[04:07:51] SHADOW__X: or maybe its 36 instead of 40
[04:08:11] SHADOW__X: in the beginning it hits 4MB/s then throttles down to 2MB/s
[04:08:25] SHADOW__X: i would of though west coast would be faster for some reason
[04:08:36] iamlindoro: Do you have a link supporting that? AFAIK Blast doesn't get anywhere close to that, anywhere
[04:08:52] SHADOW__X: link supporting what
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[04:09:01] iamlindoro: showing that you get 36 Mbit
[04:09:11] SHADOW__X: um sure
[04:09:12] Virindi: That's a pretty sad attempt to compete with fios...
[04:09:21] SHADOW__X: agreed Virindi
[04:09:42] iamlindoro: I'll take decent internet and wide open firewire over fast internet and no firewire whatsoever
[04:09:43] SHADOW__X: iamlindoro: in speed tests it does around 20 something but if i am downloading it will do 36 then down to 16
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[04:10:32] iamlindoro: SHADOW__X: OK, but can you show me any comcast promotional or advertising stuff showing that speed? I have only ever seen 16–20 as the blast peak stuff
[04:10:57] SHADOW__X: hmm sure ill try and find it
[04:13:26] iamlindoro: The reason I ask is, 40–50 Mbit speed should only be possible with DOCSIS 3.0, and that is only (with Comcast) in Minneapolis/St. Paul as far as I know
[04:13:39] SHADOW__X: hmm ok
[04:13:49] SHADOW__X: yeah i have no issue whatso ever showing you at all
[04:13:53] SHADOW__X: lol you help me out all the time
[04:15:22] iamlindoro: anyway, I'm going to bed, I'll check logs tomorrow or something
[04:15:31] iamlindoro: night
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[04:18:00] SHADOW__X: alright night
[04:18:21] SHADOW__X: Blast® (16 Mbps)   premium movie network(s) included.St
[04:18:47] iamlindoro: so... not 36 then
[04:19:26] SHADOW__X: i said in the beginning it hits that
[04:19:27] iamlindoro: That 16 Mbit is only supposed to be for the first few moments, any transfer over a few minutes would be throttled down, too
[04:19:34] iamlindoro: "SHADOW__X: i have blast here too it hits 40Mbit/s then goes down to 16 Mbit/s sustained"
[04:19:43] SHADOW__X: yeah
[04:19:48] iamlindoro: That's what you said... Blast 16 would be peak 16, sustained about half that
[04:19:52] iamlindoro: not 40
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[04:19:56] SHADOW__X: i use MB/s
[04:20:08] iamlindoro: So?
[04:20:19] SHADOW__X: so when i check it does 4MB/s then throttles to 2MB/s
[04:20:26] SHADOW__X: i dont know thats how my downloads go
[04:20:38] L-----D: hi~ anyone using WinFast TV Card proved working
[04:20:42] iamlindoro: ok, never mind, not worth it
[04:20:46] SHADOW__X: maybe its a mistake on their end
[04:20:50] SHADOW__X: i know what your saying
[04:21:06] iamlindoro: There's no mistake that's going to give you magically new hardware that exceeds current DOCSIS speeds, but whatever, not worth it
[04:21:06] SHADOW__X: i dont know why mine works that way
[04:21:15] iamlindoro: because it doesn't :)
[04:21:27] iamlindoro: or your software is lying to you
[04:21:29] SHADOW__X: then are you saying my download meter is lying
[04:21:42] SHADOW__X: how would you like me to test it
[04:21:45] SHADOW__X: because i will
[04:22:03] iamlindoro: This is like the time someone told me about the 40 Mbit/s stream he got from his QAM capture
[04:22:15] iamlindoro: when a QAM channel maxes out at 19
[04:22:32] iamlindoro: like I said, not worth the effort to set this straight, I'm going to bed
[04:23:20] SHADOW__X: alright sorry man maybe something is lying to me i am just going on what my download meter tells me
[04:23:34] SHADOW__X: night i will try to figure out where the error is
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[04:34:36] SHADOW__X: alright iamlindoro i believe i found a way if we can agree that in downthemall a firefox addon is accurate in the speed of a download and we can use that to tell us how long it took me to download an iso and how big it is and that will verify speed
[04:36:46] wagnerrp: why not just go to speedtest.net?
[04:39:07] SHADOW__X: to be honest speedtest.net doesnt work well for me and then iamlindoro can say that thats only the burt this way it can be shown that i have sustained speed of around 2MB/s which equates to around 16Mbit/s
[04:39:20] jblack: I have a pile of channels for which ATSC scanning reports "no tables". I also notice at schedules direct that there are channels for my area that I don't have in my program guide. Is that likely coincidence, a problem with the TV stations, or a problem with my pchdtv5500 ?
[04:39:38] SHADOW__X: speedtest.net picking washington dc does give me around 20mbit/s download speed though
[04:39:39] SHADOW__X: lol
[04:40:17] wagnerrp: well he was also claiming that you shouldnt be able to hit 40mbps even bursting
[04:40:38] Virindi: speedtest.net seems to work fine for me, it reports 30.9/4.5 and I'm on 30/5 fios
[04:41:38] wagnerrp: i get 4400/750
[04:41:46] wagnerrp: go go 10yr old cisco router!
[04:42:00] SHADOW__X: yeah i understand that depending upon source obviously i will hit 4MB/sec so that should be what around 36mbit/s
[04:42:11] Virindi: pfft 500mhz celeron linux box is a much better router :P
[04:42:30] wagnerrp: its a modem/router unit
[04:42:39] Virindi: that's unfortunate
[04:42:40] wagnerrp: i currently have it in bridging (modem) mode
[04:42:41] SHADOW__X: Virindi: they have a 30 down 5 up?
[04:42:55] Virindi: Yes...pretty sure that's what I have
[04:43:09] Virindi: the speeds they offer are different in different areas
[04:43:11] wagnerrp: sitting in front of a 800MHz freebsd/pf router
[04:43:22] L-----D: Can anyone recommend me a TV Card, working well with mythtv
[04:43:24] Virindi: ah, yeah, that's what I would do
[04:43:47] wagnerrp: digital or analog?
[04:43:48] Virindi: PVR-500 or PVR-350
[04:44:20] wagnerrp: dont bother with a 350, theres not much use for the framebuffer output and a 150 is considerably cheaper
[04:44:32] wagnerrp: a 500 is just a pair of 150s
[04:45:12] Virindi: hmm, I thought people liked the 350's accelerated output thing
[04:45:52] Virindi: I suppose it only matters on a slow PC
[04:46:00] SHADOW__X: where can you find a 150 still
[04:46:02] wagnerrp: its not really needed, and it otherwise limits you to standard definition
[04:46:40] wagnerrp: you can still find them listed, but its hit or miss whether you actually get one, or a 1600
[04:46:48] jblack: The two PCHDTV 5500s I have work well for me.
[04:46:51] Virindi: newegg says eta 8/4 for the 150 being in stock
[04:48:00] SHADOW__X: how much
[04:48:38] jblack: for the 5500s? They're 130 each
[04:48:46] jblack: They do hdtv, don't do encryption
[04:49:08] wagnerrp: meaning theyre identical in capability to my $50 HVR-1250
[04:49:11] SHADOW__X: i meant the 150 but the 5500s seem good
[04:49:15] jblack: Work with stock kernel, do hdtv
[04:49:16] SHADOW__X: lol
[04:49:37] SHADOW__X: i have no issue installing drivers
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[04:49:39] jblack: Fair enough. I like hardware that only works on linux, though. It feels so much like getting even
[04:49:42] Virindi: Why would you need two 5500 cards, can you use them with non-air channels somehow?
[04:50:25] jblack: I get something like 12 hdtv stations, and broadcasters like to put the 'good' stuff on all at once.
[04:50:35] Virindi: I see
[04:51:57] wagnerrp: is the 5500 analog tuner a frame grabber or mpeg?
[04:52:25] jblack: I think it's a frame grabber. I honestly don't know the difference, though.
[04:52:44] jblack: my cpu usage is very low during record, but goes through the roof when I transcode.
[04:53:14] wagnerrp: well recording is done at 1x, transcoding is done as fast as the CPU can run
[04:53:17] jblack: Oh, you mean the old NTSC stuff? No idea. I just do hdtv.
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[04:53:47] wagnerrp: well ATSC recording should have negligible CPU usage, just disk access
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[04:54:01] jblack: That's what I see here, yes.
[04:54:37] jblack: someone, justinh I tink, once told me it was a framegrabber, and I said ok.
[04:54:48] wagnerrp: ok, thats what i thought
[04:55:16] SHADOW__X: for the price isnt a hvr 1800 or a 1600 better
[04:55:17] SHADOW__X: ?
[04:55:47] wagnerrp: the 1600 has somewhat limited support at the moment
[04:55:50] jblack: shrug. I'm loyal to ostensibly open companies.
[04:55:58] wagnerrp: and the 1800 is an entirely different animal (PCIe)
[04:56:19] jblack: I'll pay an extra 50 bucks for hardware that plays ball with the free software community.
[04:56:22] SHADOW__X: right wagnerrp hmm the 1600 doesnt have analog or digital?
[04:56:35] SHADOW__X: true jblack that makes some sense
[04:57:24] wagnerrp: well driver issues aside, the 1600 and 1800 cards are mpeg encoders, making them far more worthwhile for analog
[04:57:47] wagnerrp: but if youre only using it for digital, any tuner will result in the same quality
[04:57:59] SHADOW__X: right agreed i am just having an issue with my analog tuner on my 1800 working
[04:59:16] SHADOW__X: but thats something entirely different
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[05:04:38] SHADOW__X: is this good proof
[05:04:39] SHADOW__X: http://www.speedtest.net/result/296291087.png
[05:04:44] SHADOW__X: >? of speed
[05:12:30] tank-man: proof of speed?
[05:12:34] tank-man: what do you mean
[05:14:05] SHADOW__X: that was towards iamlindoro for saying my speeds are wrong when he is on tomorrow i will try to find another way to prove that i get that speed sustained
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[05:19:14] tank-man: those speed tests can be misrepresented if your isp has a 'boost' feature
[05:19:22] SHADOW__X: yeah but
[05:19:29] SHADOW__X: that isnt with the boost feature
[05:19:29] tank-man: faster dl for the first few seconds
[05:20:04] SHADOW__X: because i can download an iso using downthemall a firefox addons and after it levels off avg speed is 2MB/s
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[05:21:09] SHADOW__X: i just think my area is setup differently than his
[05:21:17] SHADOW__X: because i used to be on a slower speed
[05:21:20] SHADOW__X: that acted like his
[05:21:25] SHADOW__X: with powerboost
[05:21:51] SHADOW__X: where it would hit 4MB/sec then throttle to 2MB/s then go down to around 750KB/s
[05:22:11] SHADOW__X: but now i have the fastest tier which is blast which is 16mbps
[05:22:19] SHADOW__X: or Mbps i guess
[05:22:41] SHADOW__X: it does 4MB/sec then throttles to 2MB/sec and stays there
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[05:26:56] SHADOW__X: see what i am saying tank-man
[05:28:40] tank-man: only thing i know is i read a lot of people bitching about their isps in the usa
[05:29:19] SHADOW__X: hmm well to be honest i am happy
[05:29:40] SHADOW__X: havnt had an issue and having 2MB/sec download is good
[05:30:09] wagnerrp: well mine is relatively slow, but its reliable, its incredibly low latency, and its completely unmetered
[05:31:13] SHADOW__X: hmm well i havnt seen anything that would show mine is metered
[05:31:21] SHADOW__X: and mine is reliable
[05:31:27] wagnerrp: comcast is metered
[05:31:38] wagnerrp: use it too much, and youll get 'the call'
[05:31:59] SHADOW__X: hmm whats too much i have hit over 500 gigs in a month
[05:32:11] SHADOW__X: is every tier metered
[05:32:25] SHADOW__X: i thought they would be ok if you have the highest tier possible
[05:32:26] tank-man: i have a set limit wiht my isp, but its not a secret limit
[05:32:39] wagnerrp: huh... well my friend got 'the call' somewhere around 400GB
[05:32:45] SHADOW__X: hmm
[05:32:54] wagnerrp: but that was about 18 months ago
[05:33:10] SHADOW__X: this was in march
[05:33:20] SHADOW__X: and in april i hit 320
[05:33:21] SHADOW__X: so i dont know
[05:33:27] SHADOW__X: was he on the highest tier
[05:33:28] SHADOW__X: ?
[05:33:40] wagnerrp: highest tier in his area, 12/1
[05:33:49] SHADOW__X: i believe it also depends on your surrounding area and if everyone is downloading alot
[05:33:55] SHADOW__X: so does he have powerboost or blast
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[05:34:11] wagnerrp: was not an option at the time
[05:34:24] SHADOW__X: i am just trying to figure it out because i have read about the limits too many a time
[05:34:41] SHADOW__X: but everytime it was never really to clear as to what is too much
[05:34:41] wagnerrp: well use it until you hit the limit
[05:34:45] SHADOW__X: and when its ok
[05:34:48] SHADOW__X: yeah i guess right
[05:34:49] SHADOW__X: lol
[05:34:53] wagnerrp: then play dumb on the phone, and reduce your usage
[05:34:58] SHADOW__X: i could be letting you guys know
[05:34:59] SHADOW__X: mhm
[05:35:11] SHADOW__X: giga watt tera watt
[05:35:17] SHADOW__X: what are you guys tlaking about
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[05:35:35] SHADOW__X: no youtube?
[05:35:36] SHADOW__X: lol
[05:35:37] wagnerrp: he was in town visiting my roommate and i over christmas break when they called
[05:35:46] SHADOW__X: ah
[05:35:56] SHADOW__X: hmm
[05:36:01] SHADOW__X: that sucks
[05:36:07] SHADOW__X: did he get kicked off
[05:36:16] wagnerrp: funniest damn thing ive heard, him spending 45 minutes on the phone trying to get the CSR tell him a limit to stay under while trying to sound tech-unsavvy
[05:36:28] fryfrog: oh yeah, i love that
[05:36:36] jblack: how far off is a 0.22, and will it wash my socks for me?
[05:36:37] SHADOW__X: awesome
[05:36:48] fryfrog: "hi, you've exceded our limit on your unlimited service and need to reduce your usage to below that limit"
[05:36:54] fryfrog: "okay, what is the limit"
[05:36:58] fryfrog: "sorry, can't tell you"
[05:37:02] wagnerrp: he said he was going to switch services when he got back, but he never did
[05:37:03] fryfrog: wtf :/
[05:37:10] wagnerrp: its in a different area now, so i dont know who hes using
[05:37:20] SHADOW__X: lol yeah i dont know
[05:37:24] SHADOW__X: i want truelly unlimited
[05:37:31] SHADOW__X: one thing i never worried about with verizon
[05:37:38] SHADOW__X: i hit 1tb in a 3 month span
[05:37:39] wagnerrp: the problem is that there is no set limit
[05:37:40] jblack: never mind. I found the timeline.
[05:37:46] wagnerrp: they just skim off the top half a percent or so
[05:37:47] SHADOW__X: and was downloading a good maount each month
[05:37:47] fryfrog: if they told me i excede their limit, i'd just lower my plan
[05:37:52] SHADOW__X: for years never heard anything
[05:38:05] fryfrog: i'd be like "hey, okay so i have your fastest plan and hit your limit quicker... so i'll reduce my usage by paying you less"
[05:38:12] SHADOW__X: lol
[05:38:21] SHADOW__X: ah yes fryfrog good idea
[05:38:25] SHADOW__X: and they will be like but
[05:38:26] SHADOW__X: but
[05:38:38] fryfrog: if they want to *save* me money by slowing me down, fine
[05:38:42] tank-man: nice idea, i will try to to that in the future
[05:39:03] fryfrog: i'd also switch to DSL if they'd let me get it w/o having a land line (haven't tried in my area)
[05:39:12] SHADOW__X: yeah i like that idea and they will want you to still pay more
[05:39:24] SHADOW__X: but you need a dial tone fryfrog
[05:39:32] SHADOW__X: dont you?
[05:39:33] fryfrog: you can get naked dsl
[05:39:38] SHADOW__X: whats that
[05:39:47] fryfrog: it was part of the at&t + sbc merger
[05:39:53] fryfrog: it means DSL w/o phone service
[05:40:17] SHADOW__X: hmm interesting
[05:40:18] wagnerrp: in our area, you can get a $8/mo minimal service to use with DSL
[05:40:22] Virindi: does verizon even offer DSL in areas that have fios now? I thought they didn't...
[05:40:30] wagnerrp: emergency and inbound only
[05:40:31] SHADOW__X: are the modems cheaper
[05:40:36] fryfrog: also, i'm like | | that close to being tempted to buy an iPhone :/
[05:40:50] SHADOW__X: ahh so there is a phone line
[05:40:51] fryfrog: wagnerrp: i'd settle for that, i think some will charge you +$10/mo for it
[05:41:12] wagnerrp: with that minimal line, my service is $28/mo
[05:41:15] SHADOW__X: Virindi: i dont know i am kinda close to getting fios but still nothing
[05:41:19] fryfrog: I don't think FiOS is available in my area, but I'd think Silicon Valley would be a good place to roll it out
[05:41:30] SHADOW__X: agreed
[05:41:37] wagnerrp: local cable is $45/mo
[05:41:50] SHADOW__X: ever since it was close i wanted it and keep calling for nothing
[05:42:08] SHADOW__X: but after getting cable over firewire dont know if i can switch to fios
[05:42:22] Virindi: I signed up for the 'notify me when fios is available' and I never got a message about it even though it is now available
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[05:42:28] wagnerrp: cable over firewire?
[05:42:38] fryfrog: video he means
[05:42:42] SHADOW__X: or i guess i said it wrong
[05:42:42] SHADOW__X: yeah
[05:42:43] fryfrog: STB -> PC
[05:42:51] wagnerrp: you get full access?
[05:42:51] SHADOW__X: yeah thanks fryfrog
[05:42:56] SHADOW__X: eh ok amount
[05:42:59] SHADOW__X: more than qam itself
[05:43:01] fryfrog: SHADOW__X: you could get an hd-pvr from hauppage
[05:43:14] SHADOW__X: yeah dont have the money for that right now though
[05:43:18] SHADOW__X: would love getting it though
[05:43:35] fryfrog: yeah, it is a little god damn expensive :p
[05:43:41] SHADOW__X: cpu requirements are minimal correct?
[05:43:44] fryfrog: for $100, i'd do it (maybe even buy 2)
[05:43:51] fryfrog: cpu for *recording* is minimal
[05:43:55] SHADOW__X: right
[05:43:57] fryfrog: for playback, it is *exceptional* :/
[05:43:59] SHADOW__X: display diff
[05:44:10] SHADOW__X: for 100 i would def get 2
[05:44:13] Virindi: is there any way to get hd recording other than firewire from a STB?
[05:44:14] SHADOW__X: lol why the hell not
[05:44:21] SHADOW__X: hdpvr
[05:44:22] SHADOW__X: lol
[05:44:25] wagnerrp: if only you could record the fios tv directly...
[05:44:35] fryfrog: Virindi: the new Hauppage HD-PVR is an h264 USB encoder that takes component input
[05:44:41] SHADOW__X: yeah
[05:44:47] fryfrog: it is *brand* new and i don't think quite yet supported in mythtv
[05:44:56] Virindi: so it reads HD over component video?
[05:45:03] SHADOW__X: correct
[05:45:10] fryfrog: but it is on the way, and linux drivers were being worked on at release
[05:45:12] Virindi: That's great, I need to get those
[05:45:13] fryfrog: yup
[05:45:26] SHADOW__X: it gets exactly whats displayed on tv am i correct?
[05:45:32] wagnerrp: yes
[05:45:33] fryfrog: i'll get one when the price drops some (and mythtv support is 100%)
[05:45:35] SHADOW__X: although then wouldnt you see the stb menu
[05:45:36] fryfrog: yeah
[05:45:40] fryfrog: yeah
[05:45:41] wagnerrp: yes
[05:45:49] SHADOW__X: thats kinda funny to me
[05:45:52] fryfrog: i'd setup recordings to start 1–2min early
[05:45:57] SHADOW__X: right
[05:46:01] SHADOW__X: compensate
[05:46:03] Virindi: ugh, sigh
[05:46:03] fryfrog: that way, when you actually get to the show, they are gone
[05:46:14] fryfrog: the STB itself might be able to change the time it is displayed too
[05:46:24] Virindi: then you have a problem with back-to-back recordings though
[05:46:28] fryfrog: Virindi: they are priced at $250 now, which is *really* epensive
[05:46:30] Virindi: yes
[05:46:33] SHADOW__X: mhm
[05:46:35] Virindi: at least with fios...
[05:46:38] fryfrog: Virindi: get 2x and 2x STbs
[05:46:50] SHADOW__X: i wonder if you can just get rid of the menu
[05:46:51] Virindi: when you change channels on the STB you can hit the 'exit' key on the remote to clear the STB overlay
[05:46:59] fryfrog: ah, neat
[05:47:13] SHADOW__X: but Virindi that gets away from automation
[05:47:17] fryfrog: SHADOW__X: it must be possible since firewire doesn't display it
[05:47:35] SHADOW__X: right
[05:47:35] fryfrog: SHADOW__X: if you are using an irblaster just have it send <chan><chan><chan><exit>
[05:47:43] SHADOW__X: true
[05:47:44] Virindi: yeah
[05:47:46] SHADOW__X: there are ways
[05:47:58] fryfrog: i'd just say fuck it, who cares
[05:48:07] fryfrog: if you were using your STB for real, you'd see it
[05:48:13] Virindi: it is better than relying on firewire which they can block at some point
[05:48:24] fryfrog: and which fails like half the time (for me)
[05:48:46] fryfrog: i should goto my cable co and ask for the older STBs
[05:48:59] SHADOW__X: fryfrog: although i just started using it firewire hasnt failed on me knock on wood but i do have some channels that dont work outright
[05:49:08] fryfrog: ah
[05:49:12] fryfrog: what type of STB?
[05:49:24] SHADOW__X: i believe motorola dch 3200
[05:49:47] fryfrog: damn, that is the same thing i have i think
[05:49:50] fryfrog: what market are you in?
[05:50:02] SHADOW__X: like region?
[05:50:06] SHADOW__X: east coast
[05:50:10] SHADOW__X: specifically in nj
[05:50:23] SHADOW__X: serviced by comcast
[05:50:36] fryfrog: ah
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[05:50:45] fryfrog: west coast, silicon valley, comcast here too
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[05:50:53] SHADOW__X: ah
[05:50:58] fryfrog: I get *TONS* of 0 byte recordings
[05:51:12] SHADOW__X: they put the 5c coding on it
[05:51:22] SHADOW__X: they do that here to on the movie channels
[05:51:27] fryfrog: is that what a 0 byte recording means?
[05:51:38] SHADOW__X: afaik
[05:51:38] fryfrog: so, the problem with that theory is that they aren't on tehs ame chan
[05:51:48] fryfrog: ie, i have 2 failes dailyshow/colber report from 63
[05:51:51] fryfrog: and 2 successful
[05:52:08] SHADOW__X: hmm could be some have the code some dont
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[05:52:20] SHADOW__X: they do that to the movie channels intermittently here
[05:52:36] Virindi: hey cool, the HD-PVR has a builtin ir blaster output too
[05:52:40] Virindi: that's handy
[05:52:41] SHADOW__X: as the wiki says i would try to use the firewire tester to check each channel iamlindoro helped me with that
[05:52:46] Virindi: ...if it works
[05:52:56] SHADOW__X: yeah Virindi that think is kick as just too expensive
[05:53:13] SHADOW__X: kicks ass*
[05:54:49] SHADOW__X: sometimes channels fly through passing everything and later on the same channel it wont work due to the flag
[05:54:53] Virindi: well with everyone having HD flatscreens now it is going to be pretty pointless to record in SD
[05:54:59] SHADOW__X: if am correct that is
[05:55:21] SHADOW__X: yup but people will have sd tvs for awhile
[05:55:52] Virindi: I feel like I'm the only one left who doesn't have an HDTV yet
[05:56:16] SHADOW__X: i dont have one my parents just got one
[05:56:37] SHADOW__X: i also havnt purchased a tv due to idiots throwing out working tvs
[05:56:57] L-----D: Virindi, I think it's a better idea to have a BIG DISPLAY set, rather than HDTV
[05:56:59] SHADOW__X: well rather generous people allowing me to have their tv
[05:57:07] clever: Virindi: dont worry, i also have a sdtv thats over 10 years old
[05:57:10] Virindi: my main reason has been making myth work with HD...no way I'm getting a fios PVR
[05:57:30] Virindi: people I know have the fios PVR, it is like 30gb or something, holds like 10 episodes
[05:57:40] fryfrog: SHADOW__X: can you link to what you are refering to?
[05:57:40] SHADOW__X: hmm get a lcd mon that does 1200p :D
[05:57:50] SHADOW__X: sure fryfrog
[05:58:11] fryfrog: been a while since i hit up the wiki for firewire
[05:58:26] L-----D: yes, since you have mythtv, a LCD Monitor is a better choice imho
[05:59:05] SHADOW__X: yup
[05:59:06] Virindi: a friend of mine was telling me how she loves her fios PVR so much, when I told her that I have every single episode of multiple shows stored on my myth system she totally freaked
[05:59:10] SHADOW__X: 1200p is the way to go
[06:00:02] SHADOW__X: fryfrog: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#firewire_tester
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[06:00:20] SHADOW__X: just make sure you select the right node
[06:00:24] wagnerrp: why is 1200p better than 1080p?
[06:00:27] wagnerrp: you have to scale the image
[06:00:35] Virindi: ew
[06:00:38] SHADOW__X: i like having 1200 hight
[06:00:42] fryfrog: i think it was partially sarcasm :p
[06:00:58] SHADOW__X: 1920x1200 is great because of how much space ya got
[06:01:05] wagnerrp: or, you could use the proper term, WUXGA
[06:01:17] wagnerrp: but you still have to scale the image
[06:01:18] SHADOW__X: just cant find a good monitor that isnt rediculously expesnive
[06:01:22] SHADOW__X: yeah yeah
[06:01:36] wagnerrp: introducing artifacts that would not be present if you just got a standard TV
[06:01:39] SHADOW__X: you have to scale 1080i on a 1080p monitor
[06:01:39] Virindi: many of the flatscreen HDTVs have DVI inputs
[06:02:19] SHADOW__X: i personally couldnt use a tv as a montiro it just doesnt look right
[06:02:19] wagnerrp: you dont have to scale 1080i, you have to run a deinterlace filter
[06:02:30] SHADOW__X: ah
[06:02:36] SHADOW__X: scale 720 p then?
[06:02:41] clever: Virindi: yes i also have multiple seasons on my system
[06:02:45] clever: all sdtv
[06:02:54] wagnerrp: well 720p has to be scaled even on a '720p' tv
[06:03:07] SHADOW__X: what do you mean wagnerrp
[06:03:08] wagnerrp: because for some reason, they decided to make those screens natively 1366x768
[06:03:15] SHADOW__X: ah
[06:03:23] SHADOW__X: thats weird
[06:03:27] wagnerrp: or in the case of the plasma we have at work, its 1024x1024
[06:03:32] SHADOW__X: lol
[06:03:45] clever: wagnerrp: weird
[06:03:48] clever: square!
[06:04:04] SHADOW__X: what makes me mad with monitors is that i have a 17 inch laptop with wuxga but to find that in a desktop one i need to get a 24 inch
[06:04:23] wagnerrp: its a standard 16:9 TV (well monitor rather, it has no tuner), but the panel has a native resolution of 1024x1024
[06:04:36] SHADOW__X: i am close to making a hybrid 17inch widescreen desktop lcd
[06:04:42] L-----D: SHADOW__X, try a 42 inch
[06:04:57] SHADOW__X: i am talking about monitors
[06:05:05] wagnerrp: well the difference is that on a laptop, youre probably going to be very close to the screen
[06:05:15] L-----D: SHADOW__X, surely we are
[06:05:16] SHADOW__X: and no i got a 32 inch tv that does 1080p
[06:05:16] wagnerrp: whereas on a desk, youre probably ~4' away
[06:05:21] SHADOW__X: sharp aquos
[06:05:35] wagnerrp: meaning you need much lower pixel density to properly resolve things
[06:06:02] fryfrog: SHADOW__X: do you use broadcast or p2p?
[06:06:08] SHADOW__X: is that the reasoning behind that wagnerrp
[06:06:13] SHADOW__X: broadcast fy
[06:06:15] SHADOW__X: fryfrog:
[06:06:23] wagnerrp: you can get a 24" screen at 3840x2560, but its very expensive
[06:06:46] SHADOW__X: how about a 19 or a 20 that does wuxga :D
[06:06:53] SHADOW__X: fryfrog: firewire_tester -b -n 2 -r 5
[06:06:54] SHADOW__X: do that
[06:07:02] SHADOW__X: except change accordningly
[06:07:54] SHADOW__X: put the stb on the channel you are having issues on and test but remember the starting number to put it back to or else yo uwouldnt want myth to try and open the stb on a channel it cant communicate with
[06:08:09] wagnerrp: i assume thats the reasoning, i really have no idea
[06:08:28] SHADOW__X: oh ok well i like learning abit more about it
[06:10:16] wagnerrp: desktop screens just really dont go below 0.26 dot pitch
[06:10:44] SHADOW__X: so i have noticed isnt the avg around .29
[06:10:47] SHADOW__X: or 28
[06:10:50] SHADOW__X: something like that
[06:10:50] SHADOW__X: ?
[06:11:15] wagnerrp: 17", 20" and 24" screens are all around 0.26
[06:11:24] SHADOW__X: oh ok
[06:11:30] wagnerrp: 19" and 27" are a bit higher
[06:11:44] SHADOW__X: is that for better clarity
[06:12:10] wagnerrp: i dont know, some people just like the bigger screens
[06:12:24] SHADOW__X: oh ok
[06:12:26] wagnerrp: personally i think a bigger screen is worthless unless it has a higher resolution
[06:12:35] SHADOW__X: how is that working out fryfrog
[06:12:47] wagnerrp: for comparison, my 15" laptop is 0.19
[06:12:59] SHADOW__X: yeah i have a 20 inch that i like untill i got my laptop that does wuxga
[06:13:08] SHADOW__X: then 1680x1050 wasnt that great anymore
[06:13:33] wagnerrp: 20" WSXGA+?
[06:13:34] SHADOW__X: how can i find the pitch of a screen
[06:13:37] SHADOW__X: yeah
[06:13:42] wagnerrp: usually you need a 22" for that
[06:14:00] SHADOW__X: its a acer if that helps
[06:14:01] wagnerrp: dot pitch is just mm/pixel
[06:14:01] SHADOW__X: heh
[06:14:09] SHADOW__X: oh ok
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[06:14:24] wagnerrp: so a 20" screen is 16"x12"
[06:14:37] SHADOW__X: k
[06:14:43] wagnerrp: 1600 pixels for 406mm
[06:15:08] SHADOW__X: hmm
[06:16:42] SHADOW__X: .25
[06:17:14] SHADOW__X: whats the measurements of a 17inch widescreen
[06:17:17] wagnerrp: a 24" is roughtly 20.4"x12.75"
[06:17:54] wagnerrp: 14.5"x9"
[06:18:01] SHADOW__X: hmm alright
[06:19:36] SHADOW__X: my 20 inch is widescreen btw dont know if i mentioned that
[06:19:43] SHADOW__X: i wish i had 1600x1200 on that
[06:19:43] wagnerrp: yes
[06:20:11] SHADOW__X: for some reason quake 3 likes to set it to 1600x1200 but its weird
[06:20:26] wagnerrp: 17"x10.6"
[06:20:58] SHADOW__X: ah
[06:21:25] SHADOW__X: my laptop is .19 as well
[06:21:53] SHADOW__X: they have 15 inch widescreen now with wuxga interestingly enough
[06:22:35] wagnerrp: ive seen a 15.4" wuxga
[06:22:43] wagnerrp: but ive never actually seen a 15" widescreen
[06:22:57] SHADOW__X: sorry 15.4
[06:23:10] wagnerrp: i was actually looking at getting one to replace my current ancient beast
[06:23:21] SHADOW__X: ah what do you have
[06:23:42] wagnerrp: 8yr old IBM
[06:23:54] SHADOW__X: hmm what processor
[06:23:59] wagnerrp: 1Ghz, 384MB, rage 128
[06:24:04] SHADOW__X: not bad
[06:24:10] SHADOW__X: hey do you have linux on there
[06:24:23] wagnerrp: currently, interfaces better with the cluster at work
[06:24:40] SHADOW__X: ok have you tried flash on there
[06:24:46] SHADOW__X: i know linux flash isnt the best
[06:24:55] SHADOW__X: but i have a somewhat similar system
[06:25:07] wagnerrp: yes, its pathetic
[06:25:15] SHADOW__X: that i want to have linux only on but flash performance is so horrid i just run in windows
[06:25:19] wagnerrp: i can kindof play youtube stuff, sometimes
[06:25:32] SHADOW__X: does it stagger away from it
[06:25:34] SHADOW__X: ?
[06:25:53] wagnerrp: sometimes it works just fine, sometimes it stutters
[06:26:01] wagnerrp: i guess its just different settings on the flv encode
[06:26:17] SHADOW__X: my system is a 600mhz mobile (woho) p3 512mb ram ati rage 128 i believe
[06:26:28] SHADOW__X: and its just so bad on flash
[06:26:51] SHADOW__X: i guess that extra 400 mhz over me really helps
[06:26:54] wagnerrp: i didnt think they made 17" machines on that old of a CPU
[06:27:06] SHADOW__X: oh no this is like a 12 inch
[06:27:10] wagnerrp: oh
[06:27:13] SHADOW__X: my 17 inch is a c2d
[06:27:18] SHADOW__X: 2.16ghz
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[06:27:37] SHADOW__X: i got this laptop due to generous people throwing stuff out again
[06:27:40] SHADOW__X: hey it works
[06:28:22] wagnerrp: i have a friend who got halfway through undergraduate engineering on a similar system, only with 64MB of memory
[06:28:48] wagnerrp: he has since become a resolution whore like me
[06:29:00] SHADOW__X: hmm interesting depends on how many years ago i guess
[06:29:13] SHADOW__X: when i get money i am getting a 24 incher
[06:29:21] SHADOW__X: what monitor you have
[06:29:40] tank-man: 22inch seems to be the sweet spot for price/size imo
[06:29:53] wagnerrp: 8yr old 17" generic, 4yr old 17" sony, 2yr old 20" samsung
[06:30:04] SHADOW__X: ah not bad
[06:30:09] tank-man: 24inch and you dont get that much more space and much higher price tag
[06:30:14] SHADOW__X: tank-man: once you go wuxga you cant go back
[06:30:31] tank-man: i have a 3 screen setup
[06:30:37] tank-man: it is sufficient
[06:30:42] SHADOW__X: 1680x1050 compared to 1920x1200 isnt that much of a jump
[06:30:51] SHADOW__X: i have 3 screens too but i am using syncergy
[06:30:51] wagnerrp: you can get a 24" for under $400
[06:30:53] SHADOW__X: :D
[06:31:09] SHADOW__X: yeah but i was a good glossy one that would be good for gaming
[06:31:22] SHADOW__X: want*
[06:31:26] SHADOW__X: i am still looking
[06:31:30] wagnerrp: but my next screen, i would rather be a PVA, which are still in the $600s
[06:31:34] SHADOW__X: pricing have come down alot
[06:31:37] wagnerrp: and i HATE the glossy screens
[06:31:39] SHADOW__X: pva?
[06:31:45] SHADOW__X: hmm i like glossy
[06:32:10] tank-man: http://imagebin.org/22529
[06:32:15] wagnerrp: TN / (S)[MP]VA / (S)IPS
[06:32:20] wagnerrp: different types of panels
[06:32:20] tank-man: lcd scren resolution comparision
[06:32:36] wagnerrp: TN are shit cheap, but high speed
[06:33:02] wagnerrp: xVAs are slower, but better color, better blacks, and better contrast ratio
[06:33:26] SHADOW__X: hmm
[06:33:38] SHADOW__X: how about ips
[06:33:39] wagnerrp: IPS screens are about as fast as VAs, but have excellent color, but somewhat bright blacks
[06:34:02] wagnerrp: very high end screens are invariably IPS
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[06:35:40] SHADOW__X: ah ok
[06:35:48] SHADOW__X: so something va would be good to look for
[06:35:54] SHADOW__X: do they have around 8ms time
[06:36:12] wagnerrp: modern ones are usually 8–12
[06:36:25] SHADOW__X: oh ok
[06:36:37] SHADOW__X: well my 20 inch is 8 ms and i see no ghosting
[06:36:41] SHADOW__X: so that should be fine
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[06:43:47] SHADOW__X: alright night
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[06:47:20] SHADOW__X1: hmm
[06:47:29] SHADOW__X1: night
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[07:10:50] ^V^: Hi, I can't seem to get sound output via HDMI to work in mythtv. It works fine in mplayer using ao=alsa:device=hw=2.3. Can anyone help?
[07:18:10] fryfrog: ^V^: did you use those device settings in myth for sound too?
[07:19:04] ^V^: Do I write lsa:device=hw=2.3 in the output device texfield of mythtv?
[07:19:11] ^V^: or is the format different there?
[07:19:47] ^V^: I tried just alsa:hw=2,3 but no sound
[07:20:22] fryfrog: sorr, no idea :(
[07:20:37] fryfrog: i use "alsa:default" on mine
[07:20:48] fryfrog: so it seems like ":hw=2,3" is at least valid
[07:21:23] ^V^: :/
[07:21:45] ^V^: There isn't much debug info provided to tell what's wrong in mythtv is there?
[07:23:39] ^V^: any idea how to set alsa default to be hw:2,3?
[07:23:56] fryfrog: alsa is a bitch :/
[07:24:15] fryfrog: you can use "-v help" to see all the debug / verbose options you can do
[07:24:26] fryfrog: there are a lot, and i think one of them is "-v audio"
[07:24:35] fryfrog: you can seperate options with a , like "-v audio,network"
[07:25:52] ^V^: for mythtv?
[07:26:10] fryfrog: yeah
[07:26:18] fryfrog: "mythfrontend -v audio,network"
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[11:41:52] jeffery: anyone have a clue my mythtv recording plays at 0.45x speed of normal playback?.. I can't seem to change it to play at normal speed
[11:42:49] sohocoke: my backend is thinking i'm still watching a channel when my frontend machine disconnected from the network unexpectedly – shouldn't it time out?
[11:43:59] kslater: jeffery: there is a mode where playback can be slowed – I forget what it's called
[11:44:07] kslater: any chance you triggered that somehow?
[11:44:56] jeffery: kslater, I may have triggered it by accident as I nearly sat on the remote... but I don't know how to get back
[11:46:46] kslater: I think there is a section that discusses the keys involved on the daily use guide on the wiki
[11:48:01] jeffery: thanks.. reading up
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[11:51:27] fryfrog: jeffery: hit M
[11:51:34] fryfrog: during playback
[11:51:50] fryfrog: the section should be pretty obvious, but the name doesn't come to mind remotly
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[11:55:44] GreyFoxx: Timestretch
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[11:56:57] fryfrog: nice one! i knew it'd be totall obvious :)
[11:57:56] Sulx: hello to everyone
[11:58:09] justinh: hmmm, good job I budgeted for an extra gig of ram for this vista PoS.. it needs it
[12:01:43] clever: lol
[12:01:56] clever: might have been cheaper to go with win 3.11
[12:02:13] Sulx: I have problem with nuvexport..everything is latest svn trunk and when I try to export xvid it says that fifodir needs to be set if using fifosync
[12:02:23] Sulx: ffmpeg(dvd etc) works
[12:02:42] Sulx: seems that it doesn't use fifosync
[12:02:53] fryfrog: clever: no wai, end of life support coming up!
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[12:03:06] clever: fryfrog: i think that allready passed for win95
[12:03:07] fryfrog: justinh: yeah, i'm glad of 4G on our new machines which are running Vista
[12:03:10] clever: and posibly 98
[12:03:23] fryfrog: yeah, but 3.11 is just now coming to an end of life :)
[12:03:58] clever: lol
[12:04:03] clever: 95 expired before 3.11?
[12:04:08] fryfrog: yup
[12:04:14] fryfrog: it was just recently in the news/digg
[12:04:22] fryfrog: 3.11 was for embedded
[12:04:26] clever: ahh lol
[12:04:36] fryfrog: used on a lot of CNC machinery and such
[12:04:41] Sulx: at least 3.11 was stable
[12:04:42] clever: yeah i can see how such a tiny thing would fit on embeded systems
[12:04:46] clever: Sulx: yeah
[12:04:48] fryfrog: i can totally understand, it is stable, tested
[12:04:51] fryfrog: why change what works :)
[12:04:51] clever: and fast at booting
[12:04:55] clever: and alot less ram usage
[12:05:01] fryfrog: yar yar
[12:05:10] clever: now look at vista
[12:05:13] clever: why use it
[12:05:36] Sulx: I know few old machines in production which are still running 3.11
[12:05:48] clever: Sulx: i have a 486 sx here that runs 3.11
[12:05:58] Sulx: and still usable...uptimes are 5 years+
[12:06:02] clever: lol
[12:06:14] clever: the speakers have started to output random loud noises
[12:06:29] clever: and the volume/mute buttons do nothing
[12:07:33] sohocoke: what's the best way to restart the backend?
[12:07:40] fryfrog: power button!
[12:07:43] fryfrog: quickest method
[12:07:49] fryfrog: maybe circuit breaker
[12:07:51] justinh: unplug it & plug it back in?
[12:07:57] fryfrog: but that could *potentially* nail a few other things
[12:08:02] Sulx: sohocoke: /etc/rc.d/mythbackend restart  ;)
[12:08:11] justinh: or the *proper* way would be the init script
[12:08:12] sohocoke: cheers
[12:08:25] justinh: Sulx: stop living in slack land
[12:08:34] fryfrog: does myth do anything with the -HUP?
[12:08:40] Sulx: justinh: not slack...arch :P
[12:08:45] clever: fryfrog: the frontend does something with it
[12:08:50] sohocoke: justinh? where does that live?
[12:08:50] clever: i forget what but ive used it
[12:08:54] clever: i think its theme related
[12:08:54] fryfrog: oh, what does it do?
[12:08:56] fryfrog: ah
[12:09:08] clever: throw it and see what happens
[12:09:23] fryfrog: i'd need to get some remote eyeballs at this specific moment :(
[12:09:38] clever: i have all my laptops able to run a frontend
[12:09:46] clever: and most are wifi so i have mobile frontends
[12:09:50] clever: take it to any room
[12:09:57] fryfrog: me at work, myth at home :(
[12:10:01] clever: ah
[12:10:08] fryfrog: i should setup my lappys to do that
[12:10:14] fryfrog: got about half way on one, then got lazy :p
[12:10:18] clever: ive also ran a frontend from cleveland when my master was 1000 miles away
[12:10:29] clever: but i had to manualy move the recordings over ahead of time
[12:10:34] clever: 50kb/sec pipe
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[12:17:39] GreyFoxx: fry: the backend+frontend rotate logs with -HUP
[12:18:04] clever: i log to stdout
[12:18:05] GreyFoxx: Or at least, they close and reopen the log file
[12:18:42] clever: youd need to rename the file then hup the process to make it switch
[12:19:39] Dibblah: If you log to stdout, I'm pretty sure that descriptor isn't affected by HUP
[12:20:05] Dibblah: Much better to use -l...
[12:20:27] clever: by stdout i mean a pty
[12:20:41] clever: i just run it inside screen
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[12:26:39] sohocoke: any uk users in at the mo? would like some help configuring freeview channels properly..
[12:27:47] sohocoke: i got all the channels after much fiddling but strangely i got 2 groups of channels. the group that works (has channel numbers) don't seem to have as detailed a guide as the group that don't, and the group that doesn't work is incomplete (i.e. some missing channels)
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[12:31:22] justinh: heh somebody didn't read the wiki about xmltv in the uk
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[12:39:47] sohocoke: does livetv recordings get cleaned up by default?
[12:43:39] Dibblah: Yes.
[12:44:17] justinh: s/does/do </pedant>
[12:46:11] Dibblah: oh, no – justinh just switched off his pedantry!
[12:46:41] Dibblah: Next we'll see </sarcasm> and </angry>...
[12:46:52] Dibblah: And the world just won't be the same.
[12:47:19] ** clever gasps **
[12:49:06] justinh: </angry> was switched off when shittylink finally got a clue yesterday
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[12:51:08] Dibblah: They redelivered to you?
[12:52:42] justinh: no, they got a clue & realise the person called Brian who allegedly signed for it didn't even exist
[12:52:56] justinh: then they realised that their computer was wrong & it was still at the depot
[12:53:09] justinh: then they actually managed to locate the box!
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[13:03:59] Dibblah: Eh? A delivery company knowing where a customer's box is? Odd.
[13:06:31] sohocoke: justinh: you mean http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Uk_xmltv#Troubleshooting  ? i read it, but it seems a bit outdated and in any case i can't find stuff that seems to be relevant to my situation..
[13:08:30] sohocoke: i have a suspicion that the 'useonairguide' flag being on for all the channels might be it, but turning it off then running mythfilldatabase doesn't seem to get the detailed listings data.
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[13:52:08] justinh: I know exactly what your problem is
[13:52:35] justinh: you've fallen into the trap of assuming that xmltvids are automagically populated for freeview channels, which they definitely aren't
[13:53:16] justinh: so you ended up with 2 groups of channels – ones with epg data from xmltv which are no use at all, and then on the other hand working TV channels populated by EIT EPG data
[13:53:49] justinh: very easy trap to fall into, which is why somebody started a config wizard for UK users before he decided nobody was worth the effort
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[14:06:38] wagnerrp: so when pedantry gets turned off, British users become worthless?
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[14:23:06] sohocoke: yeah i'll try going through this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . iew_threaded
[14:23:21] sohocoke: justinh thanks for the analysis
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[15:41:58] sohocoke: justinh, do you think 'useonairguide' would have anything to do with my issue at all?
[15:42:14] sohocoke: i noticed all the new channels i set up have it as on
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[15:47:10] justinh: sohocoke: useonairguide == EIT data. it will overwrite xmltv epg data
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[15:48:06] justinh: oh ffs now my desktop machine won't boot
[15:48:13] sohocoke: hmm. is that for changes only, or should that attr be off if i want xmltv listings, whether there are changes or not?
[15:48:34] justinh: if you want to use xmltv, turn useonairguide *OFF*
[15:48:45] sohocoke: k. killing mythfilldatabase..
[15:49:26] justinh: eit & xmltv cannot (yet) be mixed – at least not in the UK
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[15:50:26] sohocoke: right..
[15:51:31] sohocoke: so i turned that off for all my channels.. now if i run mythfilldatabase, at some point the 'films: 3+ stars' search will return lots of juice right?
[15:51:54] sohocoke: oh i have all the xmltvid's updated btw
[15:52:01] justinh: wow. my desktop wasn't booting because.... I'd moved the USB keyboard & plugged it into a different port
[15:52:17] sohocoke: i mean, it should now be bulletproof! there can't possibly be anything else that's wrong.. nosiree..
[15:52:25] justinh: sohocoke: yeah but you only get what RadioTimes.com thinks are 3* films ;)
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[15:53:07] ** justinh is really glad he didn't go for that 17" laptop after all... wouldn't fit in the bag ;-) **
[15:53:16] sohocoke: yeah that's fine. i did get a lot of search results when i had the channels without channel numbers and with xmltvid's kicking around, so i'm presuming radio times is the source of 'rich data'
[15:53:43] iamlindoro_: justinh: Fortunately, there *are* more than enough geeks out there with 17 inch *laps*
[15:54:13] sohocoke: funny i ended up with 74 channels though.. thought freeview was 34 or something
[15:54:29] sohocoke: justinh, lastly, how long should i leave mythfilldatabase running for, before getting worried?
[15:55:27] justinh: for xmltv guides to work, you need two things. 1 – a valid xmltvid (unique per channel) in mythtv's channel table. 2. a file ending in .xmltv whose name would be the same as the 'video source' and contain no more xmltvids than you have populated in the mythtv channel table (or you'll end up with no epg data for channels or worse still channels with epg data but you can't use them)
[15:56:17] justinh: my mythfilldatabase runs for about 2 minutes
[15:57:07] justinh: iamlindoro_: lol. I just got that. had a hard day at work assembling shelving. talk about graft!
[15:57:27] iamlindoro_: heh
[15:57:32] justinh: now to find some cheap ddr2 so-dimm sticks
[15:58:41] justinh: a guy at work reckons he got two 2GB sticks for £17 each a couple of months ago. on seeing today's prices I'm not sure I believe him
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[16:00:04] ldiamond: Should this be enough for HD? http://www.tddirect.ca/products/156679/ADH4050DOBOX/AMD/
[16:00:27] iamlindoro_: There is NO SUCH THING as "enough for HD!!!!"
[16:00:31] justinh: what kind of HD? the pretendy, 1080i mpeg2 HD in the USA?
[16:00:46] ldiamond: to playback 1080p
[16:00:49] justinh: or the kind of nasty bastard h.264 1080p HD found on bluray disks?
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[16:01:05] ldiamond: h264 1080p
[16:01:17] iamlindoro_: now add bitrate and you may have a real question
[16:01:36] justinh: bluray kind of bitrates or 1337 dodgy warez bitrates?
[16:01:52] ldiamond: bluray bitrates
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[16:02:18] iamlindoro_: Then no
[16:02:19] justinh: I suspect not, but I could be wrong
[16:02:31] ldiamond: wow, what do I need for that?
[16:02:35] abqjp: I generally do not overclock. However, last night I decided to try adding 10% to my E8400 on my frontend. Made a huge difference when watching HD-PVR recordings with timestretch enabled.
[16:03:07] iamlindoro_: Well, clock for clock the Core 2 Duos are faster, and I can *barely* get a 2.2 Ghz C2D to play bluray rips, and that's with skiploopfilter and multithreading enabled
[16:03:29] justinh: 3Ghz C2D isn't enough for HDPVR recordings with headroom? ouch
[16:03:30] iamlindoro_: I suspect w/ AMD you'd need closer to 2.4–2.5 Gh range
[16:03:51] ldiamond: ouch
[16:04:01] ldiamond: I wanted to stay in the 45W range :(
[16:04:06] justinh: this is what happens when you try to play back hd media in linux where there is NO video decoding help from the GPU :P
[16:04:10] abqjp: justdave: without timestetch, it is enough. With timestretch, nope. Note, that I do not use coreavc.
[16:04:29] justinh: abqjp: coreavc has been reported as not being very much help anyway
[16:04:31] abqjp: s/justdave/justinh/
[16:04:47] justinh: at least not since the multithreaded playback came to mythtv
[16:05:25] abqjp: justinh: unfortunately, the HD-PVR stuff is not applicable to the multithreaded playback currently in myth.
[16:05:39] justinh: eew corsair value select £27 for 2GB
[16:05:43] abqjp: it is single sliced.
[16:05:44] justinh: abqjp: oh
[16:10:58] justinh: wonder if I could install XP on this lappy instead. vista is just way too hungry, even idling. I heard it was bad but thought people were exaggerating
[16:11:54] justinh: ah sod it. £25 to take me up to 3GB.. I'll cope
[16:11:55] abqjp: There are sites out there which have instructions on how to tame vista. I don't have any experience with them, though.
[16:12:17] justinh: I've yet to wrangle all the vendor shite off it
[16:14:36] iamlindoro_: I've never had much success trying to excise all the vendor-specific stuff they put on laptops these days
[16:14:50] iamlindoro_: since a simple uninstall seems woefully inadequate
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[16:20:26] abqjp: http://www.vlite.net/
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[16:22:18] justinh: nifty. cheers, abqjp
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[16:28:57] MartinCleave1: Can mythtv run in small window in the corner of the screen? I see how to switch it to window mode but its unresizeable.
[16:29:33] iamlindoro_: You have to specify the resolution, it cannot be resized.
[16:30:21] abqjp: justinh: Found this http://www.msfn.org/board/Tutorial-Build-Wind . . . t114957.html in the vlite forum http://www.msfn.org/board/vLite-f153.html
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[16:41:18] justinh: it cannot be resized. YET :)
[16:41:46] justinh: abqjp: ta. I'll have a look later. bit busy doing beatmapping in ableton at the mo
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[16:46:33] MartinCleave1: is there something that adds channel-changing to mplayer?
[16:46:44] MartinCleave1: I need a small window with TV that I can turn over
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[16:46:56] MartinCleave1: myth is not going to do it
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[17:03:27] olejl: Can anyone explain to my why I can rip a DVD as Perfect, but if I try Good I get this message: Error: rip directory does not seem to exist
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[17:09:39] Anduin: olejl: Perfect goes directly, Good goes through transcode and uses the rip temporary directory for vobs
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[17:11:31] olejl: When I removed the / after my directory name under rip settings it was working
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[17:26:11] sohocoke: so has anyone recently succeeded in getting the mythweb flash video playback to work?
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[17:32:55] iamlindoro_: sohocoke: many many people. It works fine.
[17:33:22] iamlindoro_: assuming a) you rea the disclaimer about it being entirely experimental and b) you have a properly compiled ffmpeg
[17:33:24] iamlindoro_: er read
[17:34:13] sohocoke: read the disclaimer, installed ffmpeg as a package (mythbuntu)
[17:35:24] MartinCleave1: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Stream_m . . . _flash_video claims itself outdated
[17:35:58] iamlindoro_: sohocoke: you cannot trust packaged ffmpeg. Read the actual disclaimer, it tells you what needs to be compiled in. Anyway, it works
[17:36:10] iamlindoro_: MartinCleave1: That's because Mythweb has it's own flash streaming
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[17:36:24] iamlindoro_: (now)
[17:36:30] sohocoke: right, actually just now it played, but keeps on stopping. perhaps ffmpeg isn't fast enough.. this is an old machine
[17:36:37] MartinCleave1: ah, thanks. I'd http://www.google.ca/search?q=mythweb+flash+v . . . nt=firefox-a
[17:36:43] iamlindoro_: then it's your machine, not ffmpeg, that isn't fast enough :)
[17:37:12] sohocoke: yeah fair to say
[17:38:23] sohocoke: does ffmpeg for flv have anything to do with the transcode cpu usage option? the process is only taking up around 50% cpu
[17:38:39] iamlindoro_: no, that setting has no bearing on ffmpeg
[17:38:54] iamlindoro_: myth uses mythtranscode, that setting affects it
[17:41:02] sohocoke: k, perhaps i should drop using flash and do on-the-fly transcoding to something more transferrable instead..
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[17:52:35] SHADOW__X: hello everyone
[17:52:45] SHADOW__X: hey iamlindoro_
[17:57:54] SHADOW__X: did you see my speed test
[17:57:58] SHADOW__X: and read the logs
[17:58:36] iamlindoro_: I saw your speed test, still only 16–20 Mbit... once again, not arguing that you get those speeds, I'm telling you that 40 Megabit isn't *possible* with DOCSIS 2.0
[17:58:56] SHADOW__X: ok fine i agree with you
[17:59:08] SHADOW__X: i am just arguing that i get 16–20 sustained
[17:59:31] SHADOW__X: it does boost higher than than in the beginning then stays around 16–20 sustained
[17:59:54] iamlindoro_: That was never my point of contention
[18:00:08] SHADOW__X: i understand that with the docsis 2 standard 40 isnt going to happen
[18:00:10] iamlindoro_: I was trying to figure out if Comcast was advertising a speed that was technically impossible
[18:00:16] SHADOW__X: oh ok
[18:00:18] SHADOW__X: i gotcha
[18:00:32] SHADOW__X: they only advertised 16Mbit here
[18:00:38] iamlindoro_: ok, fair enough then
[18:00:45] SHADOW__X: and when i first download it goes higher then stays at 16
[18:00:48] SHADOW__X: alright
[18:02:37] ldiamond: OMG, every single motherboard with DVI and TV out (svideo or RCA) are ATX !! why isnt there any mATX???
[18:02:43] ldiamond: well, uATX...
[18:02:44] SHADOW__X: um
[18:03:10] SHADOW__X: ldiamond: i dont know where you get your info from but i have a matx mb that has dvi out and has rca and components
[18:03:32] SHADOW__X: and iamlindoro_ i just looked up the conversion and i was off sorry about that
[18:03:40] iamlindoro_: SHADOW__X: naw, no big deal
[18:03:52] SHADOW__X: about 3.5 MB/sec is 30Mbps
[18:04:07] SHADOW__X: so then it tops off roughly around 32 or so
[18:04:15] wagnerrp: or 28Mbps
[18:04:16] SHADOW__X: well atelast i learned something in the process
[18:04:43] ldiamond: SHADOW! WHAT IS THIS MOBO!?
[18:04:45] SHADOW__X: wagnerrp: 3.5MB/sec is 28?
[18:04:51] SHADOW__X: whoa calm it down
[18:04:58] wagnerrp: 1MB/s is 8Mbit
[18:05:03] wagnerrp: 8 bits per byte
[18:05:04] ldiamond: ive been looking for one for about 15 hrs now
[18:05:30] SHADOW__X: hmm
[18:05:57] SHADOW__X: i got ya wagnerrp
[18:06:07] SHADOW__X: hence 4MB/sec would be 32Mbit
[18:08:35] ldiamond: shadow, what is that mobo plz?
[18:08:44] ldiamond: I have to go like right now
[18:09:02] wagnerrp: to be honest, newegg doesnt have any mATX board with TV out
[18:10:20] SHADOW__X: right now they has my board
[18:10:28] SHADOW__X: i will get the model number now
[18:10:49] SHADOW__X: they used to have my board *
[18:11:02] ldiamond: What company makes it?
[18:11:09] iamlindoro_: Holy Hell, 2 GB Graphics Card? Can only be a matter of seconds before someone asks if it would be any good for Myth...
[18:11:12] SHADOW__X: asus
[18:11:12] ldiamond: Is it AMD am2?
[18:11:25] SHADOW__X: yyup
[18:11:30] wagnerrp: dual chip card?
[18:11:34] ldiamond: wow I need it!
[18:11:34] SHADOW__X: it has a geforce 6150
[18:11:34] wagnerrp: or quadro?
[18:11:39] iamlindoro_: http://www.pclaunches.com/graphic_cards/power . . . b_memory.php
[18:12:31] iamlindoro_: http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/17 . . . 0-packs-2-gb
[18:12:37] iamlindoro_: Second one is not slahdotted
[18:12:39] iamlindoro_: slashdotted
[18:12:59] wagnerrp: the first one even lost their DNS resolution
[18:13:42] iamlindoro_: Maybe thi one can run Crysis at 640x480 @ 30 fps by itself
[18:13:57] SHADOW__X: ldiamond:
[18:14:05] SHADOW__X: ldiamond: asus m2npf-vm
[18:14:08] ldiamond: thx
[18:14:12] SHADOW__X: no
[18:14:12] SHADOW__X: wait
[18:14:19] SHADOW__X: m2npv-vm
[18:14:24] SHADOW__X: couldnt type there
[18:14:28] wagnerrp: why would they put that on the 4850, rather than the 4870? that makes no sense
[18:15:18] ldiamond: AWWWWWWWW no 1080p!!!!
[18:15:28] SHADOW__X: wha
[18:15:35] ldiamond: 1080i max
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[18:15:44] ldiamond: and 720p
[18:16:12] ldiamond: but that HDTV out module looks amazing!
[18:16:21] SHADOW__X: why is it 1080i max
[18:16:22] iamlindoro_: What in the world are you looking at? A 6150 will happily do 1080p
[18:16:27] SHADOW__X: yeah
[18:16:35] ldiamond: http://ca.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2= . . . ;modelmenu=1
[18:16:46] SHADOW__X: iamlindoro_ cant you do component out upto 1080p or no
[18:17:01] iamlindoro_: yes, component is capable of 1080p (although fairly rare on consumer devices)
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[18:17:06] ldiamond: oh well, maybe its just the hdtv out limitation
[18:17:17] ldiamond: ill look into it
[18:17:17] ldiamond: thx
[18:17:21] ldiamond: really have to go
[18:17:23] Lynet: wagnerrp: 4850 uses cheaper ram (gddr3 vs gddr5). Makes no sense either way, 1GB is more than enough for current games.
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[18:17:28] iamlindoro_: That is just for component, dude
[18:17:28] SHADOW__X: hmm alright thanks thats what i though ldiamond that should do 1080p
[18:17:41] iamlindoro_: The GPU w/ HDMI or DVI will do 1080p without any issue
[18:18:19] iamlindoro_: 6150 will do up to 1920x1440 progressive
[18:18:26] wagnerrp: well if i ever got into programming CUDA (or whatever AMDs version is), i could definately use 2GB of memory
[18:18:37] SHADOW__X: nice
[18:19:10] wagnerrp: and figure in 1–2 years, games will start using that amount of memory as well
[18:19:33] wagnerrp: just store all the textures fully uncompressed, and extremely high resolution
[18:19:37] iamlindoro_: I must admit I've mostly stopped gaming on PC... there's so little any more that's PC exclusive and I am so tired of the upgrade two-step
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[18:20:12] wagnerrp: but doing that will provide such marginal speed up from using the system memory, its not worth it
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[18:23:21] Lynet: wagnerrp: What makes me scratch my head at this card, is that in 1–2 years the 4850 will be a low/midrange card. "Great, I have enough video ram to run this game at top settings but the gpu is too slow to give me a decent framerate".
[18:23:56] wagnerrp: pretty much
[18:24:00] iamlindoro_: This is why we buy (and mod!) EcksBoxen
[18:24:11] wagnerrp: like i said, its really only worth it for HPC applications
[18:24:48] SHADOW__X: EcksBoxen?
[18:24:59] iamlindoro_: Sound it out
[18:25:07] SHADOW__X: ohh
[18:25:11] SHADOW__X: lol
[18:25:23] SHADOW__X: dumb call
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[18:25:39] SHADOW__X: i gots me one of dems
[18:25:43] SHADOW__X: its fun
[18:26:17] iamlindoro_: Dead Space, Fallout 2, GoW2, Fable II.... NEED
[18:26:22] iamlindoro_: er Fallout 3
[18:26:43] iamlindoro_: Even the new Prince of Persia looks freakin amazing
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[18:26:57] SHADOW__X: hmm havnt looked into those
[18:27:03] SHADOW__X: the new ut3 looks good
[18:27:16] iamlindoro_: Meh, I don't play online FPS's
[18:27:59] SHADOW__X: hmm i dont play it only but i do like fps
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[18:36:10] iamlindoro_: I like that he was like "I've got to go nowwwwwwww tellmetellmetellmeeeeeee!" and he leaves 20 minutes later
[18:36:40] SHADOW__X: yeah well
[18:36:41] SHADOW__X: lol
[18:37:02] SHADOW__X: some people want everyone to jump around them and then take their time afterwards
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[18:49:02] iamlindoro_: God help us when he actually attempts to build and set *up* MythTV
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[18:59:20] justinh: only some people? it's every other person IME
[18:59:29] justinh: HELP ME *NOW*!
[18:59:39] justinh: 2 mins later they just quit. good news for us :)
[19:00:19] iamlindoro_: This is one of the positive elements of a first myth install being a trial by fire-- divert the chaff back to ME
[19:00:21] iamlindoro_: er MCE
[19:02:25] justinh: tried WMP11 last night on this new laptop. worked really well with all the mythtv recordings I tried
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[19:05:28] GreyFoxx: FYI, it wont work under XP if you are switching to XP
[19:06:42] justinh: cheaper just to buy MOAR RAMZ !
[19:07:41] justinh: seems silly to need 3GB just to run an OS & a few apps comfortably but going with the flow is cheaper than an OS downgrade
[19:11:19] iamlindoro_: If anyone even remotely likes Joss Whedon, by the way, "Doctor Horrible's Sing-along Blog" seems very funny and sweet
[19:11:51] iamlindoro_: Three (short) Act musical available via the web and iTunes w/ Neil Patrick Harris, Nathan Fillion and..erm... some chick
[19:14:07] iamlindoro_: who is both hot and a redhead
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[19:47:45] pifou: Hi
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[19:50:02] pifou: Is there a way to hide the OSD when the video is in pause ? "O" doesn't work
[19:50:11] GreyFoxx: Hit Escape once
[19:50:28] Dibblah: Is the tennis on again?
[19:50:42] pifou: greyfoxx: great, thanks!
[19:50:56] Dibblah: Or women's jump-rope competitions?
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[19:51:16] iamlindoro_: Bikini Trampolining world championship
[19:51:55] jduggan: lol
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[20:05:30] sohocoke: i'm running into issues with the wythweb flv stopping after a few seconds of playback, probably due to ffmpeg not being fast enough. this is in turn probably because my cpu is a celeron 433mhz. short of getting faster hardware, is there anything i can do to optimize ffmpeg performance? i just installed ffmpeg from mythbuntu control-center, so perhaps i could get better performance compiling it myself? any advice appreciated.
[20:07:19] SHADOW__X1: are the size of your recordings over 300 meg
[20:07:23] SHADOW__X1: ?
[20:08:20] sohocoke: nope, my test recording is 150megs.
[20:09:49] SHADOW__X1: hmm
[20:10:18] SHADOW__X1: the mythweb thing is experimental
[20:10:27] SHADOW__X1: and i am sure that support isnt the best
[20:10:33] SHADOW__X1: but how does it stop
[20:10:42] SHADOW__X1: you goto the page and it just isnt there or what
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[20:11:00] SHADOW__X1: i ahve made flv's using about the same hardware and it just takes soo long
[20:11:43] sohocoke: i click on the play button, then it stops after a few seconds. i click play again after a while, it plays from the beginning until a bit after the last position it stopped, then stops again. etc
[20:11:43] iamlindoro_: sohocoke: There is not going to be anything you can do. Wait for the player/transcode to mature, that's really it.
[20:12:03] iamlindoro_: Yep, that's exactly what happens when the hardware is too slow
[20:12:17] SHADOW__X1: well there it is
[20:12:18] SHADOW__X1: lol
[20:12:37] sohocoke: perhaps i can compile ffmpeg myself optimised to my hardware?
[20:12:50] iamlindoro_: it's not going to change anything appreciably
[20:13:05] iamlindoro_: That Celery 433 is just too slow
[20:13:53] sohocoke: i have another machine with a cel/633.. is 200mhz going to help much or should i look at more modern hardware for that kind of stuff?
[20:14:09] iamlindoro_: You need modern hardware
[20:14:17] iamlindoro_: in any case, "Enable this feature at your own risk, and don't expect too much official help until it has left the experimental phase."
[20:14:28] sohocoke: yeah i know, i know :)
[20:14:34] iamlindoro_: and yet you ignore
[20:14:50] iamlindoro_: "Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel."
[20:14:54] iamlindoro_: soooooooo
[20:14:55] iamlindoro_: yeah
[20:15:04] sohocoke: ok, perhaps a different route.
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[20:15:15] sohocoke: pre-transcode all recordings to flv?
[20:15:24] sohocoke: or something else if flv is the crux
[20:15:34] iamlindoro_: You can probably rig something like that up, but that's beyond the topic of this channel
[20:15:44] iamlindoro_: ie you won't be using mythweb any more
[20:16:39] iamlindoro_: But you could probably set up a user job to auto-transcode to FLV and use some web Flash player hosted on your machine, yes. Just no longer a Myth question, then
[20:18:09] sohocoke: could you point me to the right place for info on auto-transcoding all recordings? it doesn't seem obvious from the backend setup, so i guess i should read up..
[20:19:13] SHADOW__X1: or you could buy a modern cpu and be done with it
[20:19:53] iamlindoro_: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.14
[20:20:03] iamlindoro_: Right there in the manual :)
[20:20:11] sohocoke: cheers iamlindoro
[20:20:25] sohocoke: shadow_x1: well i'll need cpu / mobo / memory
[20:20:35] SHADOW__X1: you can get that for less than 100
[20:20:47] sohocoke: really? what kind of spec would you recommend?
[20:21:02] SHADOW__X1: retailers are trying to get rid of socket 754's and 939s quickly
[20:21:09] SHADOW__X1: well it all depends on what you are looking for
[20:21:16] SHADOW__X1: the main thing would be upgradability
[20:21:26] sohocoke: something that will let ffmpeg do rt flv encoding :)
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[20:21:32] SHADOW__X1: you can easily do it for under 100 but you may not be able to upgrade at all
[20:21:32] sohocoke: oh and cheap
[20:21:52] iamlindoro_: You can probably do real time to FLV with anything still being sold (as new)
[20:21:52] sohocoke: yeah i'm fine with that. i think upgrading systems is a bit of a myth
[20:22:08] SHADOW__X1: well than the under 100 plan would be worlds better than what you have now you would just need to check if your psu will support it
[20:22:19] sohocoke: ah. psu..
[20:22:45] SHADOW__X1: right
[20:22:46] SHADOW__X1: hold on
[20:22:56] iamlindoro_: Hahahahaha... newegg has a QX6800 on *clearance* for...
[20:22:57] sohocoke: bog-standard taiwanese atx is what i think i have..
[20:22:59] iamlindoro_: wait for it...
[20:23:01] iamlindoro_: $999
[20:23:01] SHADOW__X1: lol
[20:23:03] SHADOW__X1: wow
[20:23:07] SHADOW__X1: i think i might get 2
[20:23:09] SHADOW__X1: :D
[20:23:10] sohocoke: probably inaccurately rated as 300W
[20:23:26] sohocoke: are you going to gift-wrap the 2nd one for me? :)
[20:23:29] SHADOW__X1: right uh i dont know sohocoke i would check the rails raitigs
[20:23:32] iamlindoro_: sohocoke: I think what SHADOW__X1 means is does it have the right power leads, which an older PSU might now
[20:23:34] iamlindoro_: er not
[20:23:39] SHADOW__X1: right
[20:23:42] SHADOW__X1: thats what i meant
[20:24:13] sohocoke: what, they changed psu connectors? blasphemy
[20:24:14] iamlindoro_: you could rip the guts out of this one, though
[20:24:15] iamlindoro_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883114055
[20:24:35] iamlindoro_: and put it in a decent case... you are in the UK, though, so it's all moot
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[20:25:36] SHADOW__X1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135082
[20:25:42] iamlindoro_: There's that fancy new Asus box that looks to be a great little myth box, actually... $499 I think?
[20:25:49] SHADOW__X1: not the most recent thing but still def a world diff than what you have now
[20:25:58] SHADOW__X1: the pundit?
[20:26:04] iamlindoro_: no, brand new
[20:26:09] SHADOW__X1: oh ok
[20:26:41] SHADOW__X1: a athlon 3200 would be a huge diff from what you have now 512mb ram and a integrated geforce 6100
[20:26:47] SHADOW__X1: for 80 then a rebate
[20:26:56] sohocoke: that is cheap
[20:27:06] SHADOW__X1: ecs board yes but still a decent deal esp if you want to upgrade quickly
[20:27:08] SHADOW__X1: and cheapely
[20:27:54] iamlindoro_: my bad, it was acer
[20:27:54] iamlindoro_: http://www.guru3d.com/news/acer-launches-499- . . . 200-mini-pc/
[20:28:09] iamlindoro_: and $449
[20:28:30] iamlindoro_: tiny little cool box, dual core processor, HDMI nvidia graphics, etc.
[20:28:49] SHADOW__X1: wow thats not bad at all
[20:28:55] SHADOW__X1: has a good set of specs on there
[20:29:08] iamlindoro_: yeah, definitely, and two low profile slots so you could even cram some tuners in there
[20:29:24] iamlindoro_: it's even *recent* nvidia (8200)
[20:29:45] iamlindoro_: and halfway decent looking to boot
[20:29:47] SHADOW__X1: right
[20:29:50] SHADOW__X1: very sleek
[20:30:11] SHADOW__X1: i love the what is it 40mm fan next to the power plug
[20:30:13] iamlindoro_: I'd look into it for sure if I was in the market for another frontend (and I may consolidate my two backends into one one of these days
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[20:30:45] SHADOW__X1: hmm
[20:30:58] SHADOW__X1: does have a secound backend integrate well
[20:31:17] iamlindoro_: yeah, works very well, just interested in slimming down my power use a bit
[20:31:29] iamlindoro_: it's pretty much transparent that you have two backends when set up properly
[20:31:36] SHADOW__X1: such as having the 2nd backend with tuners and it records and being able to access the files using a frontend
[20:31:43] SHADOW__X1: hmm good to hear
[20:31:59] iamlindoro_: yes, you can have tuners in both, and watch content recorded on any backend from anywhere
[20:32:35] SHADOW__X1: nice
[20:33:19] SHADOW__X1: i am trying to figure out how i can have 2 backends one here one in another location and still have the recordings on the 2nd tuner in the other location
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[20:33:45] SHADOW__X1: the way they will speak would be through internet they arent going to be in the space house
[20:34:04] iamlindoro_: You would need obscene bandwidth to make that work
[20:34:21] SHADOW__X1: hmm
[20:34:33] SHADOW__X1: i guess that isnt going to work then
[20:34:38] iamlindoro_: probably not
[20:34:58] SHADOW__X1: hmm i will try and find a way to make a feasible solution
[20:35:15] SHADOW__X1: i have about 3Mbit upload here which is fine but ya know wouldnt work for that
[20:35:30] SHADOW__X1: if i had 20/20 that would be nice then i could probably make it work
[20:36:04] iamlindoro_: With latency and network overhead, you'd probably need a bit more still (for HD material, anyway)
[20:36:21] iamlindoro_: SD would probably be okay over that connection, though
[20:36:31] SHADOW__X1: right i was just considering sd so far
[20:36:35] iamlindoro_: 20/20 that is
[20:36:39] SHADOW__X1: ah ok
[20:37:17] iamlindoro_: but yeah, 3 Mbit probably isn't going to cut it for any watchable bitrate
[20:37:23] SHADOW__X1: well then i guess time will tell if there will be enough speed for me to do that
[20:37:29] SHADOW__X1: yeah
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[20:37:56] SHADOW__X1: i am thinking about just download certain eps at a time then just deleting them
[20:38:07] SHADOW__X1: that might be my best solution until i figure something else out
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[20:40:17] sohocoke: wow, hardware in the us is so unbelievably cheap..
[20:42:05] SHADOW__X1: how much is it for you
[20:43:14] sohocoke: the nifty mobo and acer mini pc are unavailable here
[20:43:26] SHADOW__X1: hmm
[20:43:36] SHADOW__X1: well what online retailers caiter to you
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[20:44:13] sohocoke: all will, provided i pay for shipping, but really it's not worth it because of customs hassle
[20:44:50] SHADOW__X1: newegg will shipto you
[20:44:51] SHADOW__X1: ?
[20:44:55] sohocoke: oh there's the intl credit card issue as well.
[20:45:04] SHADOW__X1: ah yeah
[20:45:15] SHADOW__X1: insurance reasons correct?
[20:45:24] SHADOW__X1: fraud
[20:45:30] sohocoke: yeah fraud
[20:45:38] sohocoke: not a lot of us vendors take non-us credit cards
[20:45:50] SHADOW__X1: right
[20:46:06] SHADOW__X1: so then what vendor would you buy something from i am curious
[20:46:11] sohocoke: intel or amd?
[20:46:21] SHADOW__X1: no like online retailer
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[20:46:41] sohocoke: well maplin.co.uk is a high-street retailer that does online
[20:46:54] sohocoke: i'm sure there'll be online shops specialising in pc parts
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[20:47:22] sohocoke: but i've been out of x86 hardware since mac os x beta and a 350mhz imac :P
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[20:47:42] SHADOW__X1: ah ok
[20:47:50] sohocoke: intel or amd? was a separate q :)
[20:48:02] SHADOW__X1: well i mean to do a huge upgrade go quad core
[20:48:03] SHADOW__X1: lol
[20:48:13] SHADOW__X1: upgrade wouldnt do that justice
[20:48:23] sohocoke: that idea wouldn't get past the wife.
[20:48:34] sohocoke: i figure i can spend around £70
[20:48:52] SHADOW__X1: well does she know how much it would be benefiting her
[20:48:53] sohocoke: for reasons too complicated to enumerate here
[20:48:56] SHADOW__X1: :)
[20:49:13] sohocoke: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=223536&DOY=15m7 found this
[20:49:39] sohocoke: she never knows that. that kind of stuff is not knowable for my wife
[20:49:40] SHADOW__X1: what utner are you using
[20:49:51] SHADOW__X1: oh ok
[20:49:55] sohocoke: it's a twinhan pci tuner
[20:49:55] SHADOW__X1: hmm dont know man
[20:49:59] sohocoke: oh shit. pci slots
[20:50:01] SHADOW__X1: right
[20:50:03] SHADOW__X1: exactly
[20:50:04] SHADOW__X1: lol
[20:50:15] SHADOW__X1: thats a baby board only one of each
[20:50:27] sohocoke: 8 years ago when i used to build my hardware i would not have looked at junk like this
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[20:50:42] SHADOW__X1: also that doesnt have gigabit
[20:50:51] sohocoke: but now it's the pricetag!
[20:51:03] SHADOW__X1: but considering you are running a 433mhz celeron gigabyte doesnt matter to you
[20:51:39] sohocoke: yeah i don't like changing hardware. not these days anyway.. too much research needed
[20:51:53] ** kormoc blinks **
[20:52:07] kormoc: not really
[20:52:13] kormoc: Vanilla Intel for the win
[20:52:19] SHADOW__X1: eh you just need a bit of knowledge
[20:53:15] iamlindoro_: Like kormoc says, it's tough to go wrong with an Intel CPU on an intel board with intel graphics-- all perfect as far as myth goes
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[20:59:34] dustybin: mythtv isnt just a geeky toy, its actually in use 24.7 and provides me my TV
[21:00:20] SHADOW__X1: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?TabID=1&a . . . amp;doy=15m7
[21:00:31] SHADOW__X1: seems pretty good alittle higher in price
[21:00:34] SHADOW__X1: but close
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[21:03:24] dustybin: DONT shop at matconts
[21:03:27] dustybin: matcons
[21:04:19] SHADOW__X1: matcons?
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[21:04:50] dustybin: MAPcons
[21:05:05] SHADOW__X1: the site i posted?
[21:05:18] dustybin: aye
[21:05:21] SHADOW__X1: that was for sohocoke
[21:05:33] SHADOW__X1: whats wrong with them though
[21:05:49] dustybin: everything
[21:06:00] SHADOW__X1: ah ok
[21:06:30] iamlindoro_: You FAIL at public speaking
[21:06:38] sohocoke: ooo looks like the emachine 633 i had kicking around will take a cel1.1ghz... time to do some assembly
[21:08:15] SHADOW__X1: that should work
[21:08:29] SHADOW__X1: 1ghz is a bit of a jump
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[21:08:47] sohocoke: tell me :)
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[21:17:47] SHADOW__X1: who me
[21:17:48] SHADOW__X1: ?
[21:18:22] sohocoke: k so win me boots with the new cpu
[21:20:10] iamlindoro_: So if all else fails you can use the second worst OS MS ever released?
[21:20:28] sohocoke: yeah
[21:20:32] sohocoke: with 64mb of memory
[21:20:35] SHADOW__X1: lol of course
[21:20:43] iamlindoro_: Yay?
[21:20:43] SHADOW__X1: man run linux without x
[21:20:49] SHADOW__X1: is your best bet
[21:21:01] SHADOW__X1: no gui for you
[21:21:04] iamlindoro_: You need (lots) MOAR RAMZ
[21:21:25] SHADOW__X1: iamlindoro_ is the worst os windows nt or what
[21:21:33] iamlindoro_: No, NT was good
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[21:21:39] SHADOW__X1: 95?
[21:21:46] SHADOW__X1: 98?
[21:21:48] iamlindoro_: Lord, you must not be much of an MS user
[21:21:53] iamlindoro_: Vista, duh
[21:21:55] sohocoke: i got some memory kicking around so will mix and match
[21:21:55] SHADOW__X1: oh oh
[21:22:03] SHADOW__X1: screw vista
[21:22:07] sohocoke: need to find a way to enter bios settings though
[21:22:10] SHADOW__X1: thats not an os
[21:22:15] SHADOW__X1: thats why i didnt count it
[21:22:37] SHADOW__X1: thats something quite like crysis is a game is good i guess but not enough to destroy everything
[21:23:14] iamlindoro_: Crysis didn't seem very fun to me... Bioshock was probably the best FPS this year IMO
[21:23:15] VanessaE: Question: I just switched distributions, and am finding mythtv to be horrendously slow when handling high def video, unlike before. openGL works, XV seems to work (but I can't tell). X eats 80+% CPU while mythfrontend eats another 50% on a 1080i stream.
[21:23:17] SHADOW__X1: vista is like hey os x has pretty animations we can kinda do that but kill your computer wooohoo
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[21:23:24] iamlindoro_: oh, actually, portal probably was, then Bioshock
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[21:23:47] VanessaE: I'm using the 'standard' decoder, xv-blit, softblend for the OSD, and linear blend deinterlacing. what have I missed?
[21:24:06] iamlindoro_: Doesn't sound like Xv is working to me, you should be looking at the frontend logs when you attempt playback
[21:24:15] VanessaE: I had this working beautifully under the previous distro
[21:24:25] SHADOW__X1: switch back? lol
[21:24:35] VanessaE: you mean log info like this: 2008-07–15 16:16:15.402 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture'
[21:25:11] iamlindoro_: Doesn't mean it's succeeding, and I'm not going to diagnose problems from single line pastes from the logs
[21:26:05] VanessaE: how would I be able to tell for sure if xv is broken?
[21:26:30] VanessaE: SHADOW__X1, the previous distro was gentoo.
[21:26:39] VanessaE: got tired of endless compiling :-)
[21:26:58] SHADOW__X1: right
[21:27:05] SHADOW__X1: easily updating is nice
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[21:31:15] VanessaE: iamlindoro_, http://pastebin.com/m455ece85
[21:31:28] VanessaE: the full log from one such slow session.
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[21:33:27] iamlindoro_: looks like you have audio setup issues, I would investigate your ALSA setup
[21:33:43] VanessaE: audio works fine everywhere else
[21:33:46] iamlindoro_: so?
[21:34:03] iamlindoro_: Mythtv has its own audio configuration
[21:34:41] iamlindoro_: which is curently apparently using ALSA:default on your system. This appears to be incorrect or improperly set up.
[21:34:44] iamlindoro_: er currently
[21:34:45] VanessaE: oh ok, sounded like you were referring to the global driver config or something
[21:35:08] VanessaE: point ot fact, it is using that mode.
[21:35:10] iamlindoro_: it may well be a global alsa issue with the "default" device
[21:35:13] VanessaE: this is wrong?
[21:35:36] iamlindoro_: Appears to be wrong for *your* system (or, once again, default is set up improperly in ALSA)
[21:35:42] VanessaE: ok
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[21:36:10] VanessaE: ok, changed it to point directly to /dev/dsp
[21:36:13] VanessaE: no effect.
[21:36:32] iamlindoro_: that's just likely pointing it at the OSS emulation on top of ALSA
[21:36:37] iamlindoro_: so... still using ALSA
[21:36:41] VanessaE: ok
[21:36:47] iamlindoro_: so fix the *device*
[21:36:52] iamlindoro_: and don't look for the quick fix
[21:37:26] VanessaE: er
[21:37:42] VanessaE: sigh.. I hate computers.
[21:39:54] VanessaE: I don't see anything clearly wrong with my audio setup
[21:41:36] iamlindoro_: It *may* be secondary to the slowdown, another thing you might want to check is that Option "UseEvents" "True" is in your xorg.conf
[21:41:47] iamlindoro_: (in the device section, that is)
[21:42:01] VanessaE: That option isn't present. I'll give it a shot.
[21:42:10] iamlindoro_: yeah, that is likely it then
[21:42:22] VanessaE: strike that, it is present alredy.
[21:42:26] VanessaE: *already
[21:43:00] VanessaE: (forgot that I added it earlier while trying to sort this out)
[21:43:02] iamlindoro_: hmmm, in that case, back to looking at the audio issue, and maybe considering a nvidia driver upgrade
[21:43:39] VanessaE: nvidia driver is version 173.14.09 (newest, and same as I was using in Gentoo)
[21:44:16] sohocoke: k, now i have a 1ghz cel box with 384mb memory.. any suggestions for a burn-in test?
[21:44:44] VanessaE: sohocoke, SETI or Folding@home and a demo mode of some modern game like Doom
[21:44:47] VanessaE: :-)
[21:45:49] sohocoke: is there a livecd distro that does all of that while i nap? :)
[21:46:48] iamlindoro_: I think all the Ubuntu LiveCDs come with an option to boot to memtestx86
[21:47:03] VanessaE: they do.
[21:47:30] SHADOW__X1: but thats just to test the mem and only cpu a wee bit
[21:48:01] iamlindoro_: There's not going to be a livecd that does much more than that
[21:48:03] sid3windr: there are some burn-in-test floppy images and such
[21:48:48] iamlindoro_: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
[21:48:52] iamlindoro_: may do what you like
[21:52:42] sid3windr: does it do more than any other livecd? the short description doesn't strike me as special
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[21:53:30] iamlindoro_: Was suggested as an answer to above question by google
[21:53:33] iamlindoro_: haven't used it myself
[21:53:41] kormoc: hardware burning test – http://sourceforge.net/projects/va-ctcs/
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[22:00:24] EvilGuru: haha http://crap.fi/?i=5959
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[22:03:44] VanessaE: ok, xv is working, at least so says xvinfo.
[22:03:54] VanessaE: and alsa is clearly working properly.
[22:05:29] VanessaE: what do I do now?
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[22:14:43] VanessaE: ok, maybe not.
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[22:14:58] VanessaE: mplayer barfs on the same hdtv content as mythtv did.
[22:15:03] ** VanessaE wanders off. **
[22:16:43] szakulec: mplayer is pretty good about HD content, except for 2 things: you'll need an SVN version probably, and if you're in Europe, the video may not display correctly because of features that aren't fully supported yet
[22:17:58] VanessaE: I'm in the states actually
[22:18:19] VanessaE: so if mplayer is having as much trouble (it is) as mythtv, the problem isn't mythtv :)
[22:19:27] szakulec: well, no Linux player can take advantage of your video card's h264/vc1 acceleration
[22:19:46] szakulec: so if it's just because it's taking too much processing power, that's a work-in-progress
[22:19:50] VanessaE: this is MPEG2
[22:20:18] VanessaE: on an AMD 64x2 3800+ there should be *no* problems playing HD video :)
[22:20:28] szakulec: right
[22:20:57] szakulec: is it just not playing, playing with artifact, crashing, etc?
[22:21:58] VanessaE: video is badly stuttering, and X eats 80–90% CPU while myth uses another 50%
[22:22:27] VanessaE: on standard-def content it works fine, if a little high on CPU usage (~20%)
[22:23:37] szakulec: if you have XvMC working, it should bring down the usage
[22:23:46] VanessaE: xvmc is broken for me
[22:24:23] VanessaE: (broken xvmc library it seems)
[22:25:29] VanessaE: /usr/lib/libXvMC.so.1: undefined symbol: XvMCCreateContext
[22:25:36] VanessaE: *grumble*
[22:26:07] sohocoke: yay, the upgraded box does flv streaming nicely..
[22:26:15] sohocoke: another productive day on the mythtv front
[22:26:17] high-rez: I had that same problem. I think it was cause I overwrote the wrapper with the nvidia library
[22:28:06] szakulec: on this computer (not my mythbox), I run the current SVN version of FFmpeg- anyone used this with Myth successfully?
[22:32:24] GreyFoxx: sz:Myth doesn't use your system installed ffmpeg
[22:32:36] GreyFoxx: It has it's own copy that gets compiled in
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[23:12:12] nathanbosch: I am using mythtv 0.21–0.11etch1 from the debian repositories, how can I tell if I have the functionality of "trunk 17776M"?
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[23:18:45] iamlindoro: mythbackend --version
[23:19:14] iamlindoro: oh, but you wouldn't
[23:19:21] iamlindoro: because trunk isn't .21, and .21 isn't trunk
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[23:19:40] iamlindoro: so your .21 packages will never have the same functionality of that (recent) build of trunk
[23:20:06] iamlindoro: And that "M" means it was modified/patched in some way, too
[23:21:06] nathanbosch: so if I want to get UPnP on my xbox 360 (which according to the wiki works in trunk 17776M) I'll have to build from source?
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[23:22:27] ebil: Is there any way to have mythvideo do verbose logging? I'm having an issue where it refuses to rip a DVD ISO image, basically it starts, then dies and says there are no jobs to perform, maybe I want to rip a dvd
[23:22:34] iamlindoro: No, .21 has uPnP capability with the xbox 360
[23:22:38] iamlindoro: you don't need trunk for that
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[23:23:12] iamlindoro: ebil: just start frontend like so: mythfrontend -v all
[23:23:17] iamlindoro: or, for slightly less, -v most
[23:23:22] GreyFoxx: or -v playback
[23:23:32] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: would -v playbackcover a rip?
[23:23:37] ebil: ok, cool thanks
[23:23:39] jduggan: i never could get my xbox listing movies
[23:23:41] iamlindoro: er add a space in there somewhere :)
[23:26:20] ebil: iamlindoro, GreyFoxx, no luck. it doesn't spit anything out about the ripping process
[23:29:12] iamlindoro: ebil: -v all should give *something* enlightening, perhaps you don't know what to look for?
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[23:32:09] ebil: iamlindoro, I figured it out.
[23:32:15] ebil: stupid directory permissions
[23:32:20] ebil: it was in the mtd.tmp file
[23:32:23] iamlindoro: heh, that's about 99% of those issues
[23:32:25] ebil: err mtd.log
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[23:33:36] ebil: mythbackend runs as mythtv
[23:33:45] ebil: but the frontend and mtd run as my user
[23:33:52] ebil: so I just added my user to the mythtv group
[23:33:55] ebil: works fine
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[23:35:18] ebil: now, is there any way to tell it to rip to a specific directory? (I can set the temp folder, but not the dest folder, it defaults to my mythvideo folder, which is not what I want
[23:35:35] ebil: because I have a 1.2TB raid array on the network which is where I'd rather it dropped things
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[23:53:29] phunyguy: ebil...
[23:53:33] phunyguy: symlink?
[23:54:00] phunyguy: can you turn the mythvideo folder into a symlink, which points to your fileserver?
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