Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, July 13th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

You don't get undefined symbols unless you're linking to something other than what you're supposed to

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Dagmar:

...by which I mean there's likely another set of older libs in there you didn't flush out.

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clever:

search for extra libmyth's?

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clever:

searching....

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clever:

found a libmythlivemedia-0.20.so but its on a backup i havent ran for months

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clever:

and they are only symlinks

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clever:

i think trunk is 0.22 now

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clever:

i see a 0.21 file!

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clever:

Dagmar: trash the old .21 libs?

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iamlindoro:

only if you want to tkae all the excitement out of running myth :)

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iamlindoro:

er take

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clever:

i also have a matching pile of 0.22 libs:P

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clever:

duplicate ones that i beleive are from trunk

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Der_Thomas:

anyone around that can help me troubleshoot mythweather?

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wagnerrp:

what problem are you having?

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Der_Thomas:

wagnerrp: I can't seem to save any sources on mythweather

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Der_Thomas:

I go to the setup screen, in weather pages search for and save a location and click finish

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Der_Thomas:

I can then go right back to source setup and there is nothing under active pages

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Der_Thomas:

here is what I get when I try to go to weather:

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Der_Thomas:

2008-07–12 22:09:46.745 SourceManager Error: Can not connect nonexistent source 5

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Dagmar:

I suspect it's just plain broken.

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Dagmar:

That plugin hasn't worked for me in 0.21-fixes for awhile now

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Der_Thomas:

oh shit really?

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Der_Thomas:

I'm running plain 0.21

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LanUser:

Hello – I enabled udev to keep my TV card IDs from changing and now X won't start properly, I goes full resolution temporarily but then goes black and ends in a low resolution mode

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Dagmar:

That's a distribution-specific problem.

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LanUser:

Dagmar: my issue is you mean?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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LanUser:

Friggin Ubuntu

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Nostahl:

hey all

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Nostahl:

what should the settings be for dvd player command

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CyberKnet:

Dagmar: You'll be glad to know I switched from the tainted water.

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wagnerrp:

i couldnt get mythweather to work at first, but it turned out to just be a theme problem

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wagnerrp:

i updated to 0.21, but didnt update the theme, so the mythweather setup didnt work properly

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wagnerrp:

theyre remaking Death Race?

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Dagmar:

It looks it

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clever:

Dagmar: deleting the .21 libs did fix 90% of the problems

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clever:

i think mytharchive is still have the same error because of --disable-mytharchive

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Dagmar:

Dude.

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Dagmar:

If you're wondering why mytharchive doesnt work and you passed that argument, put down the bong.

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clever:

??

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clever:

ive never done drugs

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Dagmar:

Maybe you should.

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clever:

and i dont even want mytharchive

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clever:

i pulled the dvd burner out of the master months ago

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Dagmar:

So, this is the point where we talk about the advantages of keeping a **CLEAN** filesystem.

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Dagmar:

Specificlly, probably 60% fewer completely bizarre errors in your case.

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clever:

i just keep doing svn update;./configure;make;make install

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clever:

and the thing leaves the old libs arround

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clever:

i found myself with .20 .21 and .22 libs once

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that will happen

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Dagmar:

You probably still need to search the other places.

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fryfrog:

i think myth has a "make uninstall" :/

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clever:

fryfrog: id need to do that before i svn update

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Dagmar:

There should be no problem with installing to the *same prefix* as was used before.

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wagnerrp:

i was about to say thats the problem with the lack of an uninstall script

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clever:

which leaves it totaly dead for the whole time im compiling

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Dagmar:

There *will* be a problem if you use different prefix arguments and don't clean up after yourself.

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fryfrog:

clever: yeah, no perfect solution :)

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clever:

my plan

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clever:

is to rename the prefix before i install to it

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fryfrog:

i just use the same --prefix and even if there is old stuff... it gets ignored for the most part

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clever:

so each time i install, the dest is totaly clean

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Dagmar:

clever: So you can have it dead for an hour each time, or spastic and broken 100% of the time

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clever:

if i rename the dest

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fryfrog:

you *could* use your package manager

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clever:

it will be clean every time and i'll have the option to instantly downgrade

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fryfrog:

roll your own package from source, then upgrade said package using pkg manager

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: But that wouldn't be very "clever"

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clever:

fryfrog: my database isnt compatible with that version anymore

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fryfrog:

i think i'd be even more clever?

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Dagmar:

Surely he can come up with some hyper-complex way to fuck this up

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fryfrog:

clever: i'm not talking about using your distro's myth package

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clever:

fryfrog: then why isnt there a deb build script/helper thing thats needed to build .deb files?

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fryfrog:

i mean, use your distro's packaging system to make your own .deb or .rpms

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fryfrog:

clever: nfi, i've never built .debs :)

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clever:

there needs to be a special script along with the source to properly build a .deb

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clever:

which lists what crap it depends on and everything else

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fryfrog:

clever: maybe grab the script from a real .deb?

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clever:

also im sharing the --prefix between 5 computers

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fryfrog:

if it has to exist, and there are .deb for myth... i'd guess it is there?

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clever:

so if i keep using that prefix the dpkg's will screw with eachother

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fryfrog:

huh?

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fryfrog:

wait, you mean

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clever:

and some of the frontends dont have the space on / for a install

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fryfrog:

your 5 PCs use one NFS /usr/local or something?

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clever:

--prefix=/media/mainlv/root/7.10/

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clever:

/media/mainlv is nfs

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wagnerrp:

those machines are all binary compatible?

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clever:

wagnerrp: yes they are all x86 ubuntu 7.10's

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Dagmar:

wagnerp: This is clever's machines we're talking about

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fryfrog:

sorry, nfi good luck :)

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Dagmar:

clever: You just need to learn how to make freakin' .debs

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clever:

i build it on one of the low range x86's so it doesnt wind up using mmx/sse that the weak ones lack

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clever:

and distcc it to all the frontends to get speed back

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Dagmar:

clever: You dont' have to do that

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wagnerrp:

well i mean i have a mix of 32 and 64 bit systems, on a variety of different distros/OSs

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clever:

i know but i dont have the c2d with me much anyways

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wagnerrp:

i dont actually have two machines i would want to share binaries across

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Dagmar:

There's a reason those --arch and --cpu arguments can be passed to ./configure

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clever:

wagnerrp: i was using /media/mainlv/root/6.06 and /media/mainlv/root/7.10/

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clever:

so i could keep the prefix for ubuntu 6.06 and 7.10 seperate

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clever:

Dagmar: and i just never bother lookign into them

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clever:

but now that i know they exist i'll try them next time i build with my c2d

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Dagmar:

clever: You really need to start actually paying attention to the things we say when we're not so frustrated we're screaming at you

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Dagmar:

You'd learn a lot.

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Dagmar:

Probably have fewer problems building things, too.

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clever:

no 64bit systems here

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Dagmar:

Waste a lot less time using strace on red herrings.

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clever:

most of the segfaults i have are on the box that was leading the builds

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clever:

which id think would have the binarys matching it perfectly

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clever:

assuming distcc didnt screw things up

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wagnerrp:

damned speed reading....

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wagnerrp:

ive spent the last 10 minutes trying to find a p5-Data-Manip for mythweb/mythweather

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clever:

some of the bugs i tracked down make perfect sense as to why they are happening when i view the source

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wagnerrp:

which i actually need a p5-Date-Manip

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clever:

and ive patched those to not happen

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wagnerrp:

do the screens in mythweather have to be defined for every frontend?

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xris:

wagnerrp: try Date::Manip

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wagnerrp:

xris, yes, i found it now

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wagnerrp:

i just found it after 10 minutes of looking for the wrong thing

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clever:

bbl

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phunyguy:

argh, i cannot figure this out for the life of me, i have lbdvdcss2, libdvdread3, w32codecs package, and everything else under the sun installed, region code is set on the drive, yet lsdvd fails on mythbuntu (Xubuntu as well)

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phunyguy:

even rean the installcss script for libdvdread3

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phunyguy:

that installed an older version of libdvdcss2

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phunyguy:

any ideas?

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phunyguy:

rean = ran*

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phunyguy:

i could really use some help on this.... i have actually been researching this issue off and on for at least a month, dvd-decrypter in wine works, and i can transcode from there, but i would like for the actual built-in packages to work

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tank-man:

well, reading what you typed, i have no idea what you are trying to do

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phunyguy:

sorry, i usually use dvd::rip to rip a dvd to xvid

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phunyguy:

IT uses ldvd to get the table of contents of the DVD

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phunyguy:

lsdvd*

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phunyguy:

that in turn fails

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phunyguy:

simple as that

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wagnerrp:

how does it fail?

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wagnerrp:

lack of library, what error message?

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phunyguy:

hmm

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Dagmar:

Well, most people would be using libdvdcss 1.2.9

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Dagmar:

I've *no* idea what libdvdcss2 is supposed to be

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Dagmar:

...other than "probably wrong"

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phunyguy:

libdvdread3: Invalid IFO for title 4 (VTS_04_0.IFO).

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phunyguy:

libdvdread3: Invalid IFO for title 4 (VTS_04_0.BUP).

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phunyguy:

Can't open ifo 4!

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phunyguy:

that could be what i meant

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phunyguy:

yeah – no 2

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phunyguy:

i got confused on that

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Dagmar:

Allow me to suggest strongly that you actually look at what you have installed.

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phunyguy:

its 1.2.9

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phunyguy:

i just did

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Dagmar:

You also generally don't have to do a thing about region codes.

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phunyguy:

wait, it is libdvdcss2

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phunyguy:

in fact

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phunyguy:

if i try to install libdvdcss, it tells me to type libdvdcss2 instead

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phunyguy:

this is ubuntu btw

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phunyguy:

or that it selected that package for me

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phunyguy:

well i guess it is working on the mythbuntu box

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phunyguy:

i must have fat fingered something somewhere

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Dagmar:

So, you don't actually have a problem then?

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phunyguy:

this is frustrating..

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phunyguy:

well not on mythtv

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phunyguy:

but i did

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phunyguy:

now it is just a ubuntu problem on this machine

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phunyguy:

(its where i rip my movies, i dont use mythtv dvd importer)

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phunyguy:

i prefer dvd::rip

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wagnerrp:

hah, fox is running south park after midnight now

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tank-man:

there is no problem, the drm on the dvd is working just as planed

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phunyguy:

no it isnt

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phunyguy:

i canteven play the DVDs

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phunyguy:

:P

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phunyguy:

that part is broken too

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phunyguy:

i can play unencrypted DVDs just fine

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wagnerrp:

exactly, you are not using an MPAA approved operating system

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tank-man:

pornos are usually drm free

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phunyguy:

well, let me check something

[04:39:23]

wagnerrp:

please buy a dell with windows vista

[04:40:16]

phunyguy:

let me grab a disc i burned after decrypting

[04:41:01]

phunyguy:

HAH!

[04:41:03]

phunyguy:

failed.

[04:41:11]

phunyguy:

so its not an encryption issue

[04:41:19]

phunyguy:

i freakin knew it.

[04:41:25]

tank-man:

user error ?

[04:41:28]

tank-man:

:)

[04:41:33]

phunyguy:

not sure yet...

[04:41:36]

phunyguy:

keyword "yet"

[04:42:00]

wagnerrp:

PEBKAC

[04:42:07]

phunyguy:

it seems as though reading of DVDs is not broken, except when its an actual disc in the drive vs a ripped DVD file structure

[04:42:29]

phunyguy:

i can lsdvd the ripped folder just fine

[04:42:49]

phunyguy:

i can burn that ripped folder which is now decrypted, to a disc, and lsdvd will fail.

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phunyguy:

so its an issue with how the actual physical DVD is being read.

[04:43:47]

phunyguy:

retail or burned

[04:44:44]

phunyguy:

and lol @ the windows app working

[04:44:48]

phunyguy:

dvd decrypter

[04:44:54]

phunyguy:

GO FIGURE

[04:45:15]

phunyguy:

ps axf

[04:45:17]

phunyguy:

wkoejfjkawhef

[04:45:20]

phunyguy:

wrong window

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wagnerrp:

sadly, dvd decrypter doesnt work so well anymore

[04:45:43]

wagnerrp:

its not been developed for several years

[04:45:49]

wagnerrp:

so there are some mechanisms it cannot handle

[04:46:15]

phunyguy:

still works fine for me, but i hate having to rip with that, then rerip FROM THAT dvd structure to get dvd::rip to unleash all of its options, just to transcode the DVD to xvid

[04:46:42]

wagnerrp:

DRMs a bitch aint it

[04:46:52]

phunyguy:

takes up to 16 gigs of wasted space to START transcoding...

[04:47:04]

phunyguy:

not to mention wasted minutes

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Dagmar:

Umm... fewer bong hits.

[04:47:23]

phunyguy:

i dont smoke.

[04:47:38]

wagnerrp:

well wasted time is a problem... but 16GBs is i small fraction of the space you should have free on your computer

[04:47:42]

phunyguy:

i just wish i knew what the issue is

[04:47:43]

Dagmar:

Well, you wouldn't be the first person I've told maybe they should start tonight.

[04:48:01]

phunyguy:

i have even reinstalled xubuntu to have the same problem come back

[04:48:06]

Dagmar:

How you're getting 16Gb of media off something that maxes out at 9Gb, I have no idea.

[04:48:10]

phunyguy:

yet i cant find ANYTHING on google

[04:48:21]

phunyguy:

dagmar, im talking about 16 gigs wasted on the HD

[04:48:47]

wagnerrp:

two copies on disk, from two ripping stages

[04:48:51]

phunyguy:

rip via dvd decrypter, load that rip like its a dvd in dvd::rip, then have to rerip from there to get it to stop whining about drive features

[04:49:04]

Dagmar:

Try using an optical drive you haven't buggered up with strange firmware.

[04:49:07]

phunyguy:

err dvd::rip features

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phunyguy:

i havent touched the firmware

[04:49:20]

phunyguy:

in fact this is two different drives as well, lol.

[04:49:35]

phunyguy:

and its the same exact model drive thats in the mythbuntu box

[04:49:56]

wagnerrp:

i still hold by my statement that 16GB of temporary files are inconsequential

[04:49:56]

Dagmar:

Then you're dealing with yet another annoying "copy protection" measure.

[04:50:08]

phunyguy:

cant be

[04:50:12]

phunyguy:

mythbuntu works

[04:50:14]

phunyguy:

:|

[04:50:14]

Dagmar:

16Gb is pretty much nothing on a Myth box

[04:50:25]

Dagmar:

So use MythBuntu then

[04:50:27]

phunyguy:

i can lsdvd there just fine with the same discs

[04:50:36]

phunyguy:

i like dvd::rips features better

[04:50:41]

phunyguy:

so no.

[04:50:55]

phunyguy:

that was a sorry excuse for a solution too, btw.

[04:51:04]

Dagmar:

From here?

[04:51:14]

Dagmar:

When this isn't #DVD::Rip?

[04:51:36]

phunyguy:

well it was a mythbuntu issue at first, didnt realize a package update fixed it, it just caused the same error

[04:51:47]

phunyguy:

but the troubleshooting continued

[04:51:49]

wagnerrp:

can you have colons in an irc channel?

[04:51:57]

phunyguy:

dagmar is a colon.

[04:52:00]

phunyguy:

:|

[04:52:04]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: There is a very obvious response to that.

[04:52:36]

wagnerrp:

well ive never actually seen one, so dont know

[04:52:42]

phunyguy:

i was just asking if anyone had the same issue and if they knew how to fix. thats all.

[04:52:57]

phunyguy:

i just dont like having 16 IRC channels open

[04:53:08]

Dagmar:

Don't act like we were the problem

[04:53:12]

phunyguy:

ik not

[04:53:14]

phunyguy:

im not*

[04:53:28]

phunyguy:

i was kidding with the sarcasm

[04:53:31]

phunyguy:

jeez.

[04:53:44]

phunyguy:

dont be "iamlindoro"

[04:53:47]

phunyguy:

please.

[04:54:33]

Dagmar:

...and don't make me list the reasons why you were being completely unuseful with details of your actual problem.

[04:54:55]

phunyguy:

i would give you more relevant details, but i don't know where else to look.

[04:55:04]

phunyguy:

i am completely lost.

[04:55:18]

Dagmar:

Compare the machine you *have* working, to the one you *don't* have working.

[04:55:22]

Dagmar:

That would be the simple thing.

[04:55:29]

phunyguy:

yeah but i dont know what to compare

[04:55:35]

phunyguy:

they are running the exact same packages

[04:55:49]

Dagmar:

uhh... the binaries you're using to rip a DVD and the libraries that they link in.

[04:56:10]

phunyguy:

im not worried about dvd::rip right now, its lsdvd that is broken

[04:56:16]

phunyguy:

dvd::rip just uses lsdvd

[04:56:40]

phunyguy:

it is the actual reading of a disc.

[04:58:13]

phunyguy:

hmm i looked in /usr/lib on the mythbuntu box, libdvdcss isn't in there

[04:58:19]

phunyguy:

but that machine works

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Dagmar:

So, you know how to make Ubuntu show you the *files* a .deb brought in, right?

[04:58:50]

phunyguy:

nope.

[04:58:57]

Dagmar:

That's something you should learn.

[04:59:04]

phunyguy:

simple command?

[04:59:06]

Dagmar:

It'll help remarkably when trying to decipher this stuff.

[04:59:22]

Dagmar:

It's not likely it'll involve more than the package name and one or two single-letter arguments.

[05:00:22]

phunyguy:

lol dpkg -L

[05:01:46]

phunyguy:

well, still, libdvdcss isnt on the mythbox so nothign to compare there

[05:02:30]

phunyguy:

i wonder if that package broke me?

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phunyguy:

uninstalled, no joy.

[05:04:09]

phunyguy:

all the other packages are the same

[05:04:17]

Dagmar:

If it's reading CSS-protected DVDs, it's in there.

[05:04:35]

phunyguy:

clarify..

[05:04:54]

phunyguy:

because it is reading them, and its not there

[05:05:01]

phunyguy:

are there other methods?

[05:05:09]

phunyguy:

other than css i mean?

[05:05:52]

Dagmar:

It's there.

[05:06:07]

Dagmar:

Linux can't make head or tail of CSS-protected discs without it.

[05:06:08]

phunyguy:

where? lol.

[05:06:14]

Dagmar:

You just don't know how to look for it apparently.

[05:06:29]

phunyguy:

well if it is there, it's not there as a package

[05:07:11]

Dagmar:

`find /usr -name "libdvdcss*"

[05:07:54]

phunyguy:

nope

[05:07:57]

phunyguy:

nothing comes up

[05:08:34]

Dagmar:

Well, I can assure you that the machine doesn't accidentally bypass CSS somehow

[05:08:44]

phunyguy:

*sigh*.

[05:08:49]

phunyguy:

i understand.

[05:08:58]

phunyguy:

i must be crazy.

[05:09:05]

phunyguy:

only other option, lol.

[05:09:21]

Dagmar:

Might be someone built whatever binary you're using with a statically linked libdvdcss, but odds are slim on that

[05:09:22]

phunyguy:

it may not be an encrypted disc, though most are nowadays

[05:09:33]

phunyguy:

its fairly new.

[05:09:46]

phunyguy:

the movie is "Blow"

[05:10:39]

phunyguy:

i should add that The Exorcism Of Emily Rose failed, that may have been the missing libdvdcss

[05:10:49]

phunyguy:

so maybe this movie is just RCE protected

[05:11:07]

Dagmar:

Very possibly.

[05:11:14]

Dagmar:

Could be worse

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phunyguy:

ok, that is irrelevant then

[05:11:30]

phunyguy:

the issue is just reading ANY dvd video from the drive

[05:11:32]

Dagmar:

I've got a couple bargain basement martial arts movies that are on some media that looks like it was sprayed on with an airbrush.

[05:11:47]

Dagmar:

I had to go buy a $20 DVD player with s-video output

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phunyguy:

lol.

[05:12:00]

phunyguy:

nice

[05:12:15]

Dagmar:

No, and I mean *no* burner can even see the media because there's a few bizarre materials used that the laser can't see

[05:12:16]

phunyguy:

yeah that is worse.

[05:12:47]

phunyguy:

so we know the issue isn't libdvdcss

[05:12:57]

Dagmar:

The funny thing is that the videos are two of those old Jackie Chan movies where the copyright got fumbled and isn't actually protected by anything

[05:13:05]

phunyguy:

lol.

[05:15:24]

phunyguy:

has to be an actual hardware issue that linux doesnt like

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Dagmar:

Eh wot? You mean the DVD I'm talking about?

[05:16:50]

Dagmar:

I've put it in (no joke) 32 different players.

[05:17:06]

Dagmar:

Not even all consumer players can read it

[05:17:08]

phunyguy:

no i meant my issue, sry

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Dagmar:

Ah. Could ne

[05:17:18]

Dagmar:

s/ne/be/;

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phunyguy:

lol @ perl

[05:17:41]

phunyguy:

or is that universal between a few languages...

[05:18:07]

Dagmar:

Most people refer to it as "speaking seddish"

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phunyguy:

LOL.

[05:18:15]

phunyguy:

nice

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tank-man:

speaking? how do you pronouce that subsitution?

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phunyguy:

good call

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wagnerrp:

woohoo, i spoofed my source address so the AIAA site will let me download papers

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phunyguy:

thief.

[05:32:12]

wagnerrp:

well i could just go to campus and do it legitimately

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wagnerrp:

but now i can sit on my ass at home and do research

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eNeRGi:

hmmm

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eNeRGi:

one thing that I've been wondering about

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eNeRGi:

does anyone know if a standard budget capture card (made for standard definition DVB) would be able to do HD as well?

[06:39:02]

eNeRGi:

my guess is that it would be able to capture at least HD MPEG2

[06:39:06]

eNeRGi:

but what about MPEG4?

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eNeRGi:

anyone have experience with this?

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wagnerrp:

the card doesnt know what its recording, it just captures the digital stream

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eNeRGi:

that's what I thought yeah

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eNeRGi:

just didn't know exactly how much the capture card touched the stream

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wagnerrp:

ALL digital broadcasts are a mpeg2 transfer stream

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eNeRGi:

they are?

[06:41:37]

eNeRGi:

from what I've read DVB should be able to transport h264 as well

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wagnerrp:

well all digital broadcastss just get lumped into the DVB drivers

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edman007:

hi, i'm running mythtv-0.21+fixes (from about a week ago) and mythfrontend very often crashes at this: http://pastebin.ca/1070652

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wagnerrp:

some forms of DVB can handle h.264, but its still an mpeg2 stream

[06:42:46]

eNeRGi:

and at least the new version of my capture card (Technotrend C1500 HD) states that it is able to capture MPEG4

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edman007:

is there a known fix for that?

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wagnerrp:

ATSC is mpeg2 video only

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eNeRGi:

wagnerrp: ah, I see we're venturing into what is unknown territory for me :)

[06:43:21]

eNeRGi:

I'll just take your word for it then :)

[06:43:35]

wagnerrp:

well like i said, all the card does is copy the stream over the bus

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eNeRGi:

thanks

[06:43:43]

eNeRGi:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

it does no splitting/decoding/encoding, or anything of the like

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eNeRGi:

I was pretty sure it didn't do decoding (being a budget card, and all), it was the splitting I was confused about

[06:44:44]

eNeRGi:

but yeah, thanks :)

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt do anything, just feed the mpeg2 stream to the computer

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eNeRGi:

edman007: ooh, that looks nasty

[06:45:37]

wagnerrp:

well it does do the atsc/qam decoding, but thats a different matter

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wagnerrp:

edman007, looks like a problem with your ATI drivers

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eNeRGi:

was just going to say the same thing

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edman007:

wagnerrp, its the latest driver...

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eNeRGi:

that doesn't mean it isn't broken :)

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wagnerrp:

youre using the opengl renderer in mythtv?

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edman007:

i'm using whatever it picked

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edman007:

how do i change it?

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wagnerrp:

utilities --> setup --> general --> appearance

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wagnerrp:

in the first screen, what is your paint engine?

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edman007:

Qt

[06:49:22]

** edman007 tries OpenGL **

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wagnerrp:

well its using opengl for something, and thats whats crashing

[06:49:51]

wagnerrp:

the opengl paint engine is limited anyway

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eNeRGi:

isn't opengl used for vsync?

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** eNeRGi remembers such a compile option **

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edman007:

the OpenGL one seems to work fine...but it looks ugly

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edman007:

wait, no, still crashes

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edman007:

i suppose i will just wait for newer drivers :(

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eNeRGi:

... or downgrade to older ones

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eNeRGi:

if those worked

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eNeRGi:

edman007: how is the opengl paint engine limited btw?

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eNeRGi:

I've been using that for a long time now, and I haven't noticed anything bad about it

[06:53:54]

eNeRGi:

err, wagnerrp*

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wagnerrp:

i dont know off hand, i just know its better to run the Qt engine if you are able to

[06:55:13]

wagnerrp:

maybe its more about stability or cpu usage

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eNeRGi:

I would guess performance could be an issue...

[06:56:43]

eNeRGi:

it does say in the description for the paint engine that "if you have decent hardware, select OpenGL" :P

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eNeRGi:

I've never noticed any stability issues though

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edman007:

eNeRGi, the menu text has these weird shadows and its a bit blury when using OpenGL, Qt it looks like its shood with just plain text

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squall:

How to manually config the frequency for my channels? eg 175MHz

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sphery:

squall: change freqid to 175000 (frequency in kHz)

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sphery:

edman007: don't remember details, but that looks a lot like a crash in the fglrx drivers that occurs for a lot of *buntu users.

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squall:

sphery: ok i'll try. thx

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edman007:

sphery, so ATI bug then?

[08:43:40]

sphery:

edman007: Perhaps, though I think there was a workaround/fix (by compiling differently or something).

[08:44:04]

sphery:

someone who exerienced it and worked around it could probably tell you more

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sphery:

(Or I could look up more info if I weren't getting ready to walk out the door for an early morning flight.)

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** edman007 searches for the thread **

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sphery:

If I get a chance tonight and see you in here, I'll let you know.

[08:45:33]

sphery:

it was on the list, too.

[08:45:48]

sphery:

and discussed in here (so you can check the channel archive)

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sphery:

gotta go

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edman007:

well i'll be in here for the next few days...

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edman007:

..or until its fixed

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squall:

sphery: enjoy the .. flight

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NefariousAryq:

Anyone awake tonight for a question?

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squall:

would mythtv run in background? the recording stop if I exit it?

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justinh:

if you're watching 'live tv' and you exit mythfrontend then yes, the recording will stop. If you want the recording to continue to the end of the show, press RECORD before exiting

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justinh:

assuming you have valid programme guide data for the channel you were watching :)

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squall:

mean i can exit the frontend. the recording continues?

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justinh:

like I said, if you're watching livetv & you exit the frontend the recording will stop

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justinh:

unless you tell it to continue recording it will stop

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squall:

ok

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NefariousAryq:

Not sure if this is a MythTV question or an IVTV question, but I'm gonna try in here first. I've used v4l2-ctl to change some of the settings for my pvr-150 card, to improve the quality of the recordings... saturation, brightness, filters, etc. I know its working, because if I have LiveTV running, and I make the changes, I see them happen immediately. However, when I exit out of livetv, and then come back into it, some

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justinh:

if you're simply watching a _scheduled_ recording which is in progress, then exit mythfrontend, I'd assume the recording would continue

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squall:

yea, that is what I asking

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squall:

thank you

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justinh:

that wasn't what you asked specifically but I thought I'd mention it to cover all the bases

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justinh:

NefariousAryq: mythtv is probably resetting your settings at the start of every new recording, or maybe just on channel changes. find settings you think are agreeable then put them in the channel settings table. Yes, every channel can have its own brightness, contrast, colour & hue settings. As far as I know, the filters like DNR etc aren't affected by mythtv

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justinh:

it's a pity that there's no 'global' set of controls which could then be overridden by individual channel controls though

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NefariousAryq:

Okay, if I do that... Im looking at the channel settings table from mythweb... and the settings that are currently in there are 32768... for each and every setting. do I put in the numbers I am passing through v4l2-ctl? or are these a different set of numbers I have to figure out?

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justinh:

AFAIK, the v4l2-ctl parameters are only 8 bit values. The settings in the channel table are 16 bit

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justinh:

I don't know if there's any translation going on

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NefariousAryq:

bah :-p

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NefariousAryq:

lol

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NefariousAryq:

thanks for the info :-D

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justinh:

won't take much experimentation to find out

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NefariousAryq:

You are right tho about the filters, temporal and spatial seem to be "sticking".

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justinh:

the ivtv defaults for those used to be quite trippy IMHO

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justinh:

like "wheeeee! motion trails!"

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NefariousAryq:

Yeah. I wasnt having ghosting issues, but I was having some baaad pixelation. I didnt notice it so much when I had my old SD set, but I just got a 720p set, and whewwww it was looking BAD.

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squall:

anyone using tvxb grabber here

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NefariousAryq:

I've got SD stuff looking pretty decent, now.

[09:47:20]

NefariousAryq:

yep, cant just put the v4l2 numbers into that table. heh. no picture. :-p

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NefariousAryq:

so, the dumb question then is... how do I convert the v4l2 numbers I have into numbers I can put in the table? any thoughts?

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justinh:

65536 / 256 = ?

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justinh:

multiply the v4l2-ctl numbers by 256, I'd have thought ;)

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NefariousAryq:

Dur. sorry. Its early. :-p

[09:55:24]

NefariousAryq:

Hrm, nope.

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NefariousAryq:

Eh, ohwell. The important part was the filters, I'm at least happy with that.

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Pyretic:

hmm when i try to watch tv myth shows a black screen and no input

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Pyretic:

do i need to redirect input somewhere or is it going to tvout or something ?

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justinh:

does it show a black screen then return you to the menu?

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Pyretic:

i can't even return to the menu

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Pyretic:

'esc' i think ?

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Pyretic:

oh mplayer /dev/video0 is not working anymore either

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justinh:

look in mythbackend's log

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Pyretic:

http://pastebin.ca/1070756

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Pyretic:

hmm sound

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Pyretic:

there was another error about software encoders but i set it to rtjpeg

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dustybin:

now this is what i call a interesting link

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dustybin:

http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/

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justinh:

Pyretic: you've set the tuner card to the wrong type in mythtv-setup I think. for pvr tuners, you should use MPEG2 encoding card settings

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BULLE:

justinh: yeah, i think that is what i used

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sphery:

edman007: Are you compiling with --enable-glx-procaddrarb ? I think the fglrx segfault was due to compiling with that option. Removing it tended to fix it.

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sphery:

edman007: There was another segfault that occurred in the radeon driver (which had a different workaround/fix), but that shouldn't affect you.

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sphery:

edman007: If that doesn't help, leave a message, and I'll see if I can dig deeper into my logs to find more info. (Having 2 different segfaults in OpenGL code on ATI-GPU systems using 2 different drivers made the whole thing a bit hard to follow, so I can't guarantee I have the right suggestion for you, but it shouldn't hurt to try it, if you did build with --enable-glx-procaddrarb.)

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sphery:

(BTW, I forgot I would have a couple of hours of wait around time--and free Internet--when I got to the Orlando airport, so it didn't have to wait 12 hours. :)

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til:

hello

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til:

i have a problem with mythtv

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til:

i use dvb-c

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til:

and for some time now, mythtv records multiple audio streams

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til:

how can i tell mythtv to only record one audio stream

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til:

and not all?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

but – if you run a 'lossless' transcode on recordings as a postprocessing job, that would strip out all but the primary audio stream

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justinh:

the problem with that is that sometimes the primary stream isn't the one in your own language

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til:

hmm ok

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til:

so i have to learn how to use the transcode jobs

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til:

any hints for a good starting point? wiki?

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justinh:

the wiki is always a good place to start

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justinh:

why are the extra audio streams an issue for you anyway? is it because mythtv isn't always selecting the right one for your language all the time?

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vss:

question about mythbrowser: How can I set firefox as browser for reading RSS in mythnews? I am using Gnome as WM and running latest unstable mythtv on Fedora 9.

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til:

justinh: because i use a pinnacle showcenter as client

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til:

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justinh:

ouchy!

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justinh:

good enough reason to transcode, then ;-)

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olejl:

I have to manually write "ln -sf ttyUSB0 lirc" after every reboot to make lirc work. How can I do this once and for all?

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til:

justinh: so when i do "mythtranscode -i test.mpg -o test2.mpg" i strips the other audio channels?

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vss:

olejl: what OS are you using?

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til:

olejl: for example write a start script

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olejl:

FC9

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olejl:

Yes but it should be done as root

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vss:

olejl: I am little bit surprised that you have to do it on Fedora 9. you can put the command in /etc/rc.d/rc.local "ln -sf /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/lirc" to get around it

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olejl:

ok I will try that then. Thanks

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olejl:

I have been messing around for a long time to get lirc working so I am not suprised if I have broken anything in the process:)

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vss:

olejl: also check after the reboot (before you put the command in rc.local), if the symbolic link that you created persisted across reboot?

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olejl:

Already tried that. It is not persisted...

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vss:

i am wondering is another command is overwriting it....

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vss:

you may additionally need to change permission on /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/lirc

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vss:

to "a+rw"

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olejl:

but will the rc.local run before lircd is started? Or doesn't it matter?

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vss:

rc.local will run before...

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vss:

it shouldn't matter...

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olejl:

permission for /dev/ttyUSB0 is: crw-rw----

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vss:

Probably it doesn't matter, because lircd will be run as root and forward events to irxevent. if you are running mythtv as a user and irxevent from the same account and want to diagnose using irw..maybe you will need a+rw permission

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olejl:

I only changed the permissions for now. I will try to rebbot and se what happens...

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vss:

k

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vss:

bumping: question about mythbrowser: How can I set firefox as browser for reading RSS in mythnews? I am using Gnome as WM and running latest unstable mythtv on Fedora 9.

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olejl:

brb

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olejl:

The chmod didn't help, but after I put "ln -sf ...." in rc.local it is working so I am happy :)

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mzb_d800:

how do I verify (or debug) that EIT is working?

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justinh:

mzb_d800: there should be stuff in the backend log

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mzb_d800:

justinh: ok, I'll look closer, thanks

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justinh:

mzb_d800: assuming any kind of logging is enabled, of course ;)

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mzb_d800:

yeah, figured as much

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mzb_d800:

just seeing occasional errors atm re duplicate entries

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mzb_d800:

including -v eit to see more ... thanks again

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mzb_d800:

I assume that selecting EIT doesn't conflict with "Open on demand" option ... but then I don't really know how it all works

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mzb_d800:

looks like I'm getting some data in the listings ... shame it doesn't match what I've already got ... might need to go through and manually deselect 100 shows of Rubbadubbers ;))

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mzb_d800:

things like: EITScanner (4): Started passive scan.

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mzb_d800:

and: EITCache: Loaded 171 entries for channel 2006

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mzb_d800:

give me hope for the future!

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mzb_d800:

justinh: ot question: are 0870 UK numbers untimed to call?

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justinh:

untimed?

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justinh:

mzb_d800: read this: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/phones/0870-say-no

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mzb_d800:

oh dear ... thanks ... might have to revisit my "free" DID number concept

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mzb_d800:

still ... probably cheaper than calling .au ;)

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docjay:

how do you manually run mythfilldatabase?

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justinh:

why, with the mythfilldatabase command of course!

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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justinh:

afternoon stuarta

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** stuarta waves **

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SHADOW__X:

hello everyone

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SHADOW__X:

hey iamlindoro

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SHADOW__X:

hey mkrufky

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mkrufky:

hi

[15:31:13]

SHADOW__X:

did you get my email

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mkrufky:

nope

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SHADOW__X:

hmm i sent it to your gmail

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SHADOW__X:

mkrufky@gmail.com

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SHADOW__X:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GJSIJSJI

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mkrufky:

please never type my email out in a chat room

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mkrufky:

and also that is not my email

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stuarta:

that's a lucky escape

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mkrufky:

i always tell people that my email is my irc nick at linuxtv dot org

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SHADOW__X:

sorry about that

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mkrufky:

and this channel is logged

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mkrufky:

and robots harvest emails from such logs, along with everything else on the internet

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SHADOW__X:

my ignorance sorry about that

[15:36:19]

mkrufky:

and this is the fourth time i am telling you my address

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mkrufky:

;-)

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mkrufky:

downloading clip now

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SHADOW__X:

thanks sorry again about that

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mkrufky:

what really bugs me is that you're not the first person to try to contact me at that email, above

[15:37:47]

mkrufky:

i use the gmail for its filters, it analyzes my mails and fwds certain mail to certain other accounts

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SHADOW__X:

hmm well i searched linuxtv and couldnt find it there but i searched your name on their site and that came up

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mkrufky:

people that email me on gmail will never get a response, lol

[15:38:04]

SHADOW__X:

ah yeah

[15:38:21]

mkrufky:

yeah, maybe once or twice i used the gmail to respond to a mailing list post

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SHADOW__X:

\right there is no point you going out of you way

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mkrufky:

huh?

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mkrufky:

im downloading the "slow.mpg" dont worry :-)

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SHADOW__X:

if you only use gmail for that there is no point of you going out of your way to respond to someone when you freely tell them your addy

[15:39:55]

mkrufky:

exactly ;-)

[15:40:47]

mkrufky:

wow, this is very interesting, SHADOW__X

[15:41:10]

mkrufky:

so, if you leave it recording for longer periods of time, does it eventually lose sync?

[15:41:17]

mkrufky:

or drop frames or something?

[15:41:23]

SHADOW__X:

hmm having tried that

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SHADOW__X:

should i try

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SHADOW__X:

i just saw that and was thinking thats really wrong

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mkrufky:

i mean.... if the video slows down like this, eventually you'd think the buffers would get overrun

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SHADOW__X:

right

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SHADOW__X:

now is the mpeg encoder shutting out that slow

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mkrufky:

i'll take this clip with me to work and ask what they think over there

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SHADOW__X:

ok thanks

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SHADOW__X:

i mean maybe its something i did

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mkrufky:

i, personally, dont know what would cause this... but i know who to ask

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SHADOW__X:

alright cool

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SHADOW__X:

i did read ealier thanks to iamlindoro on your new source and installed that

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mkrufky:

id be interested to hear if a longer capture overruns the buffers

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SHADOW__X:

and it didnt make a difference

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SHADOW__X:

alright ill put it to record now

[15:43:20]

SHADOW__X:

how long would you like

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mkrufky:

the new source...

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SHADOW__X:

yeah the merged one

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mkrufky:

er, that was to address a problem that MartinCleaver was having

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SHADOW__X:

oh

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mkrufky:

i suspect that he cant record using the encoder in myth because the digital demod is streaming the whole time.... which SHOULDNT be a problem, but it is, because of a bug in the driver

[15:44:40]

mkrufky:

that bug has been fixed, but the fix isnt merged into master yet

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok

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mkrufky:

a userspace workaround is to enable the "open frontend on demand" option in mythtv-setup

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mkrufky:

i, personally, enable that option regardless... but that is user preference

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SHADOW__X:

well i extracted firmware i copied it i installed the v4l repo you told me to

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SHADOW__X:

is there something i am missing

[15:46:23]

SHADOW__X:

maybe i did something stupid

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mkrufky:

for what?

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mkrufky:

the slow video?

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SHADOW__X:

yeah

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SHADOW__X:

not having it work right

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mkrufky:

i already told you, i;ll take the clip with me to work and see what they say there

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mkrufky:

that means == i dont know

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mkrufky:

(but i WILL know)

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok

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SHADOW__X:

lol great

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mkrufky:

:-)

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mkrufky:

SHADOW__X: so, you're using that cx23885-sram tree?

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mkrufky:

i suggest that you stick with that tree for now, until that all gets merged

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SHADOW__X:

i believe i am using cx23885-merged

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mkrufky:

ok, that one is OK too

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SHADOW__X:

alright

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mikecharest:

how up todate is the info about the hauppauge wintv-hvr-1600 on the wiki?

[15:50:50]

mkrufky:

what do you want to know about the hvr1600 — i'll answer your question, then you can update the wiki entry

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mikecharest:

does it play nice with myth yet

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mkrufky:

yes

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mkrufky:

you need to use the drivers on linuxtv.org

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mkrufky:

or the unreleased kernel 2.6.26 .... (wait until its released :-P )

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mikecharest:

i am very new to myth. I have mythbuntu install. do you know what kernel that is running?\

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SHADOW__X:

does analog work

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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mkrufky:

yes

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mkrufky:

mikecharest: most likely, 2.6.24

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mikecharest:

so i should install it and give it a try

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SHADOW__X:

and the hvr 1800 analog is supposed to work in normal situations

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mkrufky:

SHADOW__X: on 2.6.24, only digital worked on hvr1800

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mkrufky:

hvr1800 has nothing to do with hvr1600

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MartinCleaver:

Thanks mkrufky SHADOW__X – when I get home on Tues I'll try it

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SHADOW__X:

i know i am just asking because i am thinking about getting 1600

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mkrufky:

see, talking about other people DOES help them ;-)

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MartinCleaver:

I note you updated the comparison table, thanks for that, mkrufky

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mkrufky:

np

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mikecharest:

is the hvr-1600 a good card?

[15:56:12]

mkrufky:

i think the hvr1600 74041 is a good card

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mkrufky:

the other models dont support qam

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mkrufky:

if you dont need qam, then they're all good cards

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mkrufky:

...

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mkrufky:

if you buy a hvr1600 today, is *will* be a 74041, those are the only ones they make still

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MartinCleaver:

As a user looking for information its a "reasonable" (if misleading) to look at the pages on the wiki that relate to other "similar" products looking to "try" instructions for the 1600 on the 1800

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mkrufky:

yes, MartinCleaver, but SHADOW__X should know better than that

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mkrufky:

hvr1600 is PCI , hvr1800 is PCIe

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mkrufky:

they have similar features

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SHADOW__X:

i do know better i was only asking because i am thinking about getting both cards

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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mkrufky:

not a bad idea, SHADOW__X

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MartinCleaver:

I don't recall there being a note in the comparison table saying which cross-use of instructions would be valid vs. invalid

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MartinCleaver:

There's a dearth of information on the wiki. Not helped by the culture of not writing what is known

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mikecharest:

i got this one yesterday WinTV-HVR-1600 Model 1199. Is this the same card?

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mkrufky:

the main instructions to install the v4l-dvb tree on linuxtv.org should be sufficient for all cards

[15:59:40]

mkrufky:

yes, mikecharest

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mikecharest:

thank you guys

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mkrufky:

mikecharest: follow the instructions here: http://linuxtv.org/repo

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mikecharest:

how is the work for getting qam to work going?

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mkrufky:

qam works

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MartinCleaver:

I didn't see good intro explaining the relationship between the major components. i.e. between v4l, linuxtv, mythtv, and the multitude of other components

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docjay:

hey all – I'm trying to get the plot working in the imdb.pl & I've done what is stated here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . t;#333803... but no go – any ideas?

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MartinCleaver:

I've installed so much I could have gone and bought a vista box running MCE for all the time I have spent

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stuarta:

ew

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MartinCleaver:

I *think* I am almost there, but who knows

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MartinCleaver:

DVB now works anyhow

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MartinCleaver:

only in tvtime, not mythtv

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SHADOW__X:

hey MartinCleaver no one is keeping you from mce

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MartinCleaver:

Analog just gives me a fuzzy picture in tvtime

[16:02:36]

MartinCleaver:

sure.

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stuarta:

analogue is dead baby

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MartinCleaver:

in Canada till 2011

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mkrufky:

analog gives a fuzzy picture because analog is fuzzy!

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MartinCleaver:

I just get static

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MartinCleaver:

no picture

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MartinCleaver:

(sorry)

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SHADOW__X:

you want a half developed tv system that isnt all that great

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mkrufky:

there will always be analog

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mkrufky:

not always analog broadcast

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SHADOW__X:

MartinCleaver: did you modprobe tuner

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** MartinCleaver nods **

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mkrufky:

but there WILL always be analog

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MartinCleaver:

y, but I can't diagnose now – am away from home

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SHADOW__X:

if my tuner isnt tuning in analog i sometimes have to modprobe tuner or -r then tuner again or cx23885 -r then cs23885 again

[16:05:46]

SHADOW__X:

that usually helps me when i dont get a picture

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MartinCleaver:

This is the sort of information that belongs in the wiki

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MartinCleaver:

This channel – is it logged?

[16:07:34]

SHADOW__X:

yes it is

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stuarta:

MartinCleaver: see the pm you received when you joined the channel

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MartinCleaver:

I see" .:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.21 .:. Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC .:. MythTV Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ .:. Use http://pastebin.ca/ .:. US/Canada Listings: http://schedulesdirect.org/ .:.

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MartinCleaver:

oh

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MartinCleaver:

PM?

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MartinCleaver:

one sec

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MartinCleaver:

I see no PM

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** MartinCleaver wonders whether he authenticated **

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MartinCleaver:

y, am registered

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MartinCleaver:

strange

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** MartinCleaver looks at FAQ **

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stuarta:

actually it comes through as a notice

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stuarta:

This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

[16:12:35]

docjay:

could anyone give me a hand with the plot info not receiving with the imdb.pl script?

[16:14:24]

oobe:

docjay, its cause you had an unhappy child hood

[16:14:44]

docjay:

I was afraid of that

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sid3windr:

c/nr 70

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oobe:

im sorry just messing around

[16:15:07]

docjay:

I know man.. ;P

[16:15:24]

docjay:

I've followed this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . plot;#333803

[16:15:27]

docjay:

but no go

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oobe:

did you try downloading the imdb.pl from the fixes branch

[16:17:58]

oobe:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/

[16:18:12]

docjay:

nope, lemme give it a shot — should I just do a wget?

[16:18:33]

oobe:

svn co but it will download the whole thing

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docjay:

kewl

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oobe:

unforunatly i dont know how to browse svn

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oobe:

but if you leave it on your hd it will update

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stuarta:

just go to that address with your web browser

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oobe:

so you dont have to re download unchanged files

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oobe:

yeah sorry you can do that

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oobe:

but i know where the file is

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docjay:

I've seen it to, but you can't copy paste it from the browser...because it copies all of the extra BS to the left of it – I'm d/l the svn fixes now

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oobe:

http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . ipts/imdb.pl

[16:22:28]

docjay:

so where does it put it @ when its finished?

[16:23:02]

docjay:

found it!

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oobe:

yeah sorry i browsed for you

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oobe:

hope u didnt dload all the svn

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docjay:

is that why it still isn't finished?

[16:24:04]

docjay:

heheh, nope just the .21 fixes

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SHADOW__X:

hey mkrufky do you know about the pctv 800i

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SHADOW__X:

i have read that on the current mythbuntu release since also isnt compiled in the kernel it breaks analog

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mkrufky:

i dont have one of those

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SHADOW__X:

ah

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SHADOW__X:

if you dont mind telling what tuners do you have

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docjay:

oobe: thanks -that worked!

[16:28:10]

docjay:

at least that annoyance is gone

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madfactor:

ne1 here use the metacleanup.sh script?

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oobe:

i thought i would make up for my dilly remarks i made at first

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oobe:

*silly

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mkrufky:

SHADOW__X: i have almost everything, but im writing code right now

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SHADOW__X:

alright mad code away

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mkrufky:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

wouldnt want to f up your chi

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SHADOW__X:

oh computer movies why do say such things

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SHADOW__X:

do you*

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SHADOW__X:

does anyone know of a way where i can upgrade my hd and keep my myth system exactly the same

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jamesd:

SHADOW__X, backups are very cool and can be useful on occausion/

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SHADOW__X:

lol agreed jamesd but i do know know of a backup program that will do the whole hd in linux

[16:37:44]

clever:

SHADOW__X: i just went overkill and made / its own svn repo:P

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jamesd:

amanda, tar, cpio

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clever:

it cant handle the ownership/perms but those change alot less

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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clever:

i added more of the config to the repo

[16:38:44]

clever:

and tar'ed the entire thing up so that i could just untar&&svn update to make a new drive

[16:38:45]

SHADOW__X:

jamesd will any off those work where i add the other hd tell it to duplicate to that drive and be done

[16:38:58]

SHADOW__X:

clever: that it abit overkill

[16:39:06]

SHADOW__X:

and seems to have abit of way to much over head

[16:39:07]

clever:

but when ym hdd did go tits up the tar only gave me 1/3rd of the files

[16:39:25]

clever:

i had to connect the dying and nonbooting drive and copy the files over

[16:39:37]

clever:

and even then a few binarys where still dead and took a recompile

[16:40:14]

SHADOW__X:

hmm yeah clever i just want to use backup

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jamesd:

SHADOW__X, if this is a myth box.. why not simply add the new drive as /var/lib/mythtv that is where you really need the storage.. shutdown mythbackend ... rename /var/lib/mythtv mount new drive and move files to /var/libmyhtv

[16:41:23]

clever:

the main reason im using svn is so i can findout what/when i changed things

[16:41:37]

SHADOW__X:

hmm because i rather just swap out the old drive and only have the new one

[16:41:40]

clever:

i did it on my router

[16:41:50]

SHADOW__X:

and clever tru to your name that is alittle clever

[16:42:24]

clever:

i had bandwidth limiting working

[16:42:26]

clever:

but somehow i broke it and cant figure it out

[16:42:35]

clever:

but now that i have svn i could save the exact config

[16:42:40]

clever:

if i ever fixed it

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SHADOW__X:

right that makes sense

[16:42:58]

SHADOW__X:

dont limit bandwidth get gigabyte

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SHADOW__X:

:D

[16:43:15]

clever:

the main things im keeping are /etc /boot /lib/modules/ and the kernels .config

[16:43:18]

jamesd:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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jamesd:

/dev/sdc2 662G 431G 231G 66% /var/lib/mythtv

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clever:

and some stuff from /root/ and /home/

[16:43:32]

clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

/dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv

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clever:

389G 383G 6.6G 99% /media/mainlv

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clever:

ive also got a 20g and 80g in other systems to handle overflow data

[16:43:57]

SHADOW__X:

hmm

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scant:

my h264 video file is attempting to use XvMC (according to my playback profile) but fails because it's not MPEG-2 and is falling back to opengl eventhough i have a playback profile at a lower priority(with the same resolution as my XvMC playback profile), this bug seems to be described here, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/329498, anyone know more?

[16:44:16]

SHADOW__X:

i am thinking about dropping a 750gig hd in my mythbox

[16:45:09]

clever:

to add any drive id need to remove another

[16:45:15]

clever:

which would 'break' the lvm array

[16:45:20]

SHADOW__X:

ah

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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clever:

ive 'fixed' it before by pushing lvm over the lan

[16:45:31]

SHADOW__X:

nice

[16:45:46]

clever:

but the problem with that is that i cant leave it going

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monkeyBox:

Hi all.. my PVR-150 seems to have stopped working. I'm seeing these errors in dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/1070978

[16:45:53]

clever:

if any of the remote drives/systems go down

[16:45:56]

clever:

the entire array goes down

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monkeyBox:

eg: "ivtv0: Failed to initialize on minor 0"

[16:46:15]

monkeyBox:

I've tried re-installing the firmware and that didn't help. Any ideas?

[16:46:18]

clever:

like ripping a planner out of your harddrive while using it

[16:46:34]

SHADOW__X:

yeah i like raid 5 but you lose a bit of space

[16:46:36]

jamesd:

SHADOW__X, if you are using lvm why not let it do what it does best... add the drive, else why did you waste your time and use lvm in the first place.

[16:46:48]

clever:

i dont have any striping/mirroring

[16:46:55]

SHADOW__X:

i am not using lvm jamesd

[16:47:21]

clever:

mainlv is broken into 24 peices over 5 partitions

[16:47:36]

clever:

i managed to defrag a good deal of it at the lvm level

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jamesd:

oh that was clever my bad.

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SHADOW__X:

mhm

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clever:

one of my all lvm drives is broken into 2 partitions because of the way i formated it

[16:48:49]

clever:

half the drive was in use and had nowhere to go so i could only lvm the other half

[16:48:54]

clever:

then shuffle the files over

[16:49:37]

clever:

still havent gotten arround to playing with resizing a PV

[16:49:47]

jamesd:

wonder when ibm is going to port over its lvm from aix to linux, its pretty sweet especially when combined with smit and jfs2

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clever:

im still using ext3 on most of my LV's

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clever:

ext2 on a few

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clever:

VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree

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clever:

mainvg 5 12 0 wz--n- 471.46G 0

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jamesd:

i thought xfs was made for mythtv... 64bits made for large files..

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clever:

and i thought xfs cant be shrinked so i have no way to remove a failing drive after i mass delete

[16:52:55]

stuarta:

you can prep another pv and do a pvmove

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SHADOW__X:

jamesd: with amanda i have to setup a backup server

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clever:

stuarta: if i had a spare drive of the same or larger size

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jamesd:

shrinking filesystems are so rare i never worry about it... data always grow to fill all availible disk space and then some, when a drive fails replace it with something larger

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SHADOW__X:

stuarta: whats pv

[16:53:54]

stuarta:

Physical Volume

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clever:

jamesd: yeah i was shrinking and growing alot but its damn slow and id need to delete alot to shrink any

[16:54:12]

clever:

and shut several systems down to stop lvm

[16:54:46]

clever:

the nfsroot for a few boxes is stored on lvm

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SHADOW__X:

so stuarta with that i can pop in a new drive and tell it to copy everything over to the new drive take out the old drive and just boot up into the new drive with the os unchanged

[16:55:35]

clever:

SHADOW__X: 1 of my systems has the root on lvm and i could allmost do that

[16:55:45]

clever:

the only problem is /boot/ is on its own parition

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

[16:55:59]

clever:

i could just clone the /boot/ and then make a new pv

[16:56:04]

clever:

and pvmove the entire root over

[16:56:14]

clever:

and lvresize it to fill the new drive

[16:56:23]

clever:

after making a swap lv

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SHADOW__X:

hmm i dont want to make a lv though clever

[17:05:06]

SHADOW__X:

lol

[17:05:32]

clever:

ive also done similar stuff without lvm under it

[17:05:46]

SHADOW__X:

ah alright

[17:05:56]

SHADOW__X:

hmm would it be difficult

[17:06:03]

clever:

its relatively simple to just copy a raw partition into one thats of the same or bigger size

[17:06:11]

SHADOW__X:

and could it be done in less than a an hour

[17:06:11]

clever:

then run resize2fs to expand it

[17:06:21]

SHADOW__X:

really thats it

[17:06:22]

SHADOW__X:

?

[17:08:18]

clever:

and repair grub

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SHADOW__X:

hmm will you be around at 3 pm

[17:09:15]

SHADOW__X:

?

[17:09:30]

SHADOW__X:

i may ask for some help on doing that i have a 750gig laying around

[17:10:25]

clever:

i perfer to just not mess with root once its working

[17:10:32]

SHADOW__X:

oh

[17:10:36]

clever:

and just add the drives as extra data directorys

[17:10:58]

clever:

i can rip 3 of the drives out of my masterbackend and it will still boot just fine

[17:11:02]

SHADOW__X:

lol so then how shall i go about cloning a drive and expanding the resoulting drive

[17:11:36]

clever:

use fdisk to make a new partition of the same or larger size

[17:12:02]

clever:

then dd if=/dev/source1 of=/dev/dest2 bs=1048576

[17:12:23]

SHADOW__X:

what will that do

[17:12:35]

clever:

copy the source1 partition to dest2

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clever:

byte for byte

[17:12:50]

clever:

in theory it will work for any fs type(ntfs fat ext jfs ...)

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SHADOW__X:

why is /dev there or is that for illustratiion purposes

[17:13:38]

clever:

thats how you refer to devices in linux

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SHADOW__X:

ohhhh so that will copy the whole drive to the next drive

[17:14:02]

clever:

my / is stored at /dev/sdb3

[17:14:09]

clever:

the 3rd partition on the 2nd(b) drive

[17:14:44]

clever:

you can use /dev/source and /dev/dest to copy the ENTIRE drive, partition table and grub and all

[17:15:01]

clever:

but then your partition table may not fit the size of the new drive

[17:15:37]

clever:

or /dev/source2 to /dev/dest5 to copy just a partition to a partition

[17:15:52]

clever:

after making them in something else like fdisk/gparted/cfdisk/...

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SHADOW__X:

the source drive is a 320 gig the dest drive is 750

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clever:

nothing is realy kept on the swap so you can just make a new one instead of copying it

[17:16:31]

clever:

and update /etc/fstab to point to the new uuid of the swap

[17:17:32]

clever:

its relatively simple but aslong as you dont copy the empty drive->old you cant realy screw it up

[17:17:45]

clever:

even if you do mess up the original drive should still work fine

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SHADOW__X:

hmm alright well when i goto do that hopefully you dont mind if i ask you questions if something occurs

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clever:

ive also done similar things thru ssh

[17:20:29]

SHADOW__X:

nice

[17:20:39]

clever:

when i first got the 80g drive for my now main linux system

[17:20:44]

clever:

it had 60g of free space

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SHADOW__X:

ah

[17:23:00]

clever:

there was 20gig of games,roms,grad pics,home movies

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SHADOW__X:

hmm that isnt anywhere near the amount of space i need

[17:23:37]

clever:

i used gparted to shrink it so i could just put linux in the remaining 60g

[17:23:52]

clever:

but i didnt trust linux to write to ntfs at the time

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clever:

so i used linux to copy the whole thing to another desktop that was xp based

[17:24:36]

clever:

cat /dev/hdb1|ssh root@otherhost 'cat – > /dev/hda3' basicaly

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monkeyBox:

argh! I just switched the PCI slot that my PVR-150 was in, and now the video device does not get created. What gives?

[17:27:50]

monkeyBox:

(ie, no /dev/video0)

[17:27:59]

clever:

i helped a friend fix his wifi before

[17:28:09]

clever:

all we did was move the wifi card to another slot

[17:28:21]

clever:

also got him to switch to linux at the same time:P

[17:28:42]

clever:

acording to lspci he had no wifi cards

[17:28:44]

clever:

until he moved it

[17:29:10]

clever:

ive also got a couple isa slots with a damaged pin

[17:29:14]

clever:

could be the same thing

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monkeyBox:

hmm.. yeah, I guess I don't see it in lspci...

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monkeyBox:

interesting

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clever:

same pin on all the damaged isa slots

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monkeyBox:

I guess I'll double check to see if it's seated correctly

[17:29:39]

clever:

something pushed the thing down too far

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

[17:34:06]

SHADOW__X:

take the slot apart and repair it

[17:34:08]

SHADOW__X:

?

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monkeyBox:

ok, I switched it back to the other slot and it's still not showing up in lspci

[17:36:10]

monkeyBox:

I wonder if my mobo is just crap

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SHADOW__X:

what brand

[17:37:52]

monkeyBox:

can't remember... abit, I think

[17:37:56]

monkeyBox:

or asus

[17:38:00]

monkeyBox:

yeah, it's asus

[17:38:06]

SHADOW__X:

hmm dont know shouldnt be crap

[17:38:34]

monkeyBox:

I've just been having so many issues w/ this box ever since I set it up. It's been impossible for me to debug

[17:38:58]

sohocoke:

anyone recently troubleshooted a 'cannot connect to master backend server' error msg?

[17:39:17]

SHADOW__X:

yeah make sure the backend is running

[17:39:24]

sohocoke:

which i did.

[17:39:38]

SHADOW__X:

where are you having this issue mythweb or frontend

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sohocoke:

frontend

[17:40:19]

sohocoke:

frontend log claims a connection timeout..

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SHADOW__X:

is the frontend and backend on the same machine

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sohocoke:

yup

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sohocoke:

hmm wait a second.. the ip address looks funny

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SHADOW__X:

does mythweb work

[17:41:27]

SHADOW__X:

and how funny

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sohocoke:

never tried mythweb. there's an ip address in the frontend log which is outdated..

[17:42:28]

SHADOW__X:

that could be it

[17:42:48]

clever:

paste the line that ip is in

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SHADOW__X:

stupid hd raping hd space

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sohocoke:

2008-07–13 18:42:13.905 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.66:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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SHADOW__X:

if the backend is on the same machine

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SHADOW__X:

it should be 127.0.0.1

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SHADOW__X:

localhost

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clever:

if theres other systems then that will break it

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clever:

you need to put the proper private ip

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sohocoke:

k, think i found it in the backend setup

[17:44:42]

sohocoke:

when exactly do i need to run mythfilldatabase?

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SHADOW__X:

really clever if the front end is on the backend you cant use localhost

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SHADOW__X:

?

[17:44:48]

clever:

my backends are 192.168.1.60 192.168.1.61 192.168.1.62 192.168.1.201

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clever:

SHADOW__X: you can, but then it breaks all remote frontends

[17:45:14]

SHADOW__X:

hmm so how do you decide what backend to use

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clever:

the recorded table says what backend owns the recordings

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clever:

and it stays connected to the master also

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SHADOW__X:

ah

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clever:

it will also try to open it localy first

[17:45:59]

clever:

assuming you have nfs in place that will work

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clever:

when that fails it will go to the backend that owns it

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clever:

enless you turn on 'master backend override', then it allways asks the master

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sohocoke:

well i'll be damned

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clever:

which is good for when the slaves store to the master

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sohocoke:

i'm sure i put in the link-local hostname in there.. it must have resolved the ip on its own then tripped me up

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clever:

hostnames wont work:P

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SHADOW__X:

couldnt you change the hosts file then it will

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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clever:

mythtv doesnt lookup hostnames

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clever:

so it wont mater what you do in the hosts file or dns server

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SHADOW__X:

hmm it wouldnt resolve locally using hosts

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SHADOW__X:

:(

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SHADOW__X:

does anyone record over firewire here

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MartinCleaver:

stuarta: I didn't see this notice; wouldn't it be good also in the topic?

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** stuarta shrugs **

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SHADOW__X:

what does a cci code of 00x02 mean

[18:13:44]

SHADOW__X:

the rc flag is 00x00

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro: you there

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mzb_d800:

clever: btw: you can't shrink xfs, but I've heard first-hand reports that shrinking is coming soon

[18:30:00]

clever:

now all i need is somewhere to put 500gig while i format:P

[18:30:11]

mzb_d800:

:)

[18:30:15]

SHADOW__X:

buy a 750

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SHADOW__X:

:D

[18:30:20]

mzb_d800:

buy a 750

[18:30:25]

mzb_d800:

oops too late ;)

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SHADOW__X:

hey hey

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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BULLE:

anyone got any clues on where i can find out about what command line options i can pass to the transcode processes, the gui has a textbox where you apparently can specify extra parameters

[18:30:52]

BULLE:

i would like to add some deinterlacing to some of my profiles

[18:30:53]

madfactor:

Got an empty 1 Tb here. (hehe)

[18:31:09]

BULLE:

dang, so we need to have this penis size comparison competition ?

[18:31:17]

BULLE:

i got a raidr array with 6 500gb disks in !

[18:31:24]

BULLE:

(hehe)

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** sid3windr bites his tongue **

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clever:

SHADOW__X mzb_d800 i make 0$/month

[18:31:41]

clever:

that will be a problem:P

[18:31:50]

madfactor:

Too many drives in a RAID5.

[18:31:53]

madfactor:

Shew.

[18:31:58]

sid3windr:

yes, it probably will be a problem regardless of anything ;)

[18:32:02]

mzb_d800:

yes ... I have a similar one

[18:32:03]

SHADOW__X:

hmm yeah

[18:32:11]

SHADOW__X:

get a job?

[18:32:16]

madfactor:

:)

[18:33:00]

BULLE:

so no one have any clues on what you can pass on as command line options ?

[18:33:06]

madfactor:

Probably of failure is logrithic to the number of drives past 3. I never put more than 4 in my arrays.

[18:33:41]

BULLE:

its all about the number of drives, the age, the load, and the risk you think is acceptable

[18:34:13]

clever:

ive only had 1 drive 'fail' so far

[18:34:21]

clever:

smartctl claims i have 24 hours to back it up

[18:34:29]

clever:

its been claiming that for months

[18:34:47]

BULLE:

clever: smart only gives you a hint, its an estimate

[18:35:02]

clever:

it has several unrecoverable errors

[18:35:08]

BULLE:

clever: if smart starts to complain, your disk has issues, but for how long it will survive, thats another story

[18:35:16]

clever:

i allready backed it up

[18:35:24]

clever:

and ran it for a few months on nfsroot with just the swap on the drive

[18:35:36]

clever:

and i could hear when things got swaped into a bad sector and watch them segfault:P

[18:35:57]

clever:

then i redid the swap in another area

[18:36:13]

clever:

but now im straped for space so i made it store 20gig of mythtv recordings as a slave backend

[18:36:26]

clever:

i can allways record them again if it does go tits up

[18:36:42]

BULLE:

well, it will go titsup, question is just when =D

[18:36:51]

BULLE:

but thats thes the case with all drives

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED!

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clever:

Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA.

[18:37:35]

clever:

9 Power_On_Minutes 0x0032 045 045 000 Old_age Always – 27749h+58m

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clever:

2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 100 029 050 Pre-fail Offline In_the_past 4016

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clever:

5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 001 001 010 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 1542

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sid3windr:

that's not even 3 years

[18:38:15]

sid3windr:

why don't you just RMA it instead of waiting until warranty expires? ;)

[18:38:17]

clever:

thats a c600 laptop with i beleive the original hdd

[18:38:28]

clever:

it was the company laptop

[18:38:35]

clever:

and its since been replaced by the d600

[18:38:39]

clever:

which was replaced by the d630

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clever:

long since expired:P

[18:38:58]

sid3windr:

hmm, point

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sid3windr:

as my d600 is out of warranty ;)

[18:39:04]

clever:

i suspect it was shock

[18:39:13]

clever:

i was shuffling the drive between the c600 and d600

[18:39:21]

clever:

because the d600 was in better shape&faster

[18:39:26]

clever:

and one day it just stoped booting

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mzb_d800:

SHADOW__X: job != cash flow

[18:39:43]

clever:

and theres a bit of a snap to the hdd slot that could knock something loose

[18:40:00]

SHADOW__X:

what mzb_d800 how does that not equal cash flow

[18:40:00]

clever:

and keeping harddrives practicaly loose in the laptop bag isnt good

[18:40:08]

SHADOW__X:

i have an ok job and i get money

[18:40:25]

clever:

i have no job and made 50$ last week:P

[18:40:39]

clever:

about 3 pages of code for some1:P

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SHADOW__X:

ah

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SHADOW__X:

thats services though

[18:40:59]

SHADOW__X:

which is like a freelance job

[18:41:02]

clever:

but its not a steady income

[18:41:08]

clever:

cant exactly pay rent with it:P

[18:41:20]

SHADOW__X:

yeah but

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clever:

enless i find alot of rich noobs:P

[18:41:29]

SHADOW__X:

not having income doesnt work either

[18:41:42]

clever:

i also make 10$/week on chores:P

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mzb_d800:

I have several jobs .... some of which I wouldn't admit being paying for ... and even if I did get paid ... SWMBO would take it all anyway .... bottom line ... still no cash for 750GB drives ;)

[18:42:09]

SHADOW__X:

lol ah chores you say

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mzb_d800:

(although I did managed to buy one yesterday;)

[18:42:20]

clever:

empty garbage cans and mow the lawn:P

[18:42:24]

mzb_d800:

no, not chores

[18:42:26]

SHADOW__X:

ah

[18:42:32]

SHADOW__X:

i do valet

[18:42:34]

SHADOW__X:

:D

[18:42:40]

mzb_d800:

hmm

[18:42:47]

mzb_d800:

you haven't lived

[18:42:54]

SHADOW__X:

?

[18:43:11]

SHADOW__X:

i drove a lambo that was living

[18:44:19]

mzb_d800:

baa!

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SHADOW__X:

wha i get to drive alot of cars

[18:44:59]

mzb_d800:

good on you

[18:45:00]

SHADOW__X:

so clever you going to be around in about 20 min so ican try to tranfer my os to my 750

[18:45:03]

mzb_d800:

gnite all

[18:45:09]

SHADOW__X:

gnite

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clever:

SHADOW__X: probly

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SHADOW__X:

k would you mind helping me

[18:45:48]

SHADOW__X:

using the 750 would give me a bit more space for hd

[18:46:11]

SHADOW__X:

do you think it would copy over in under an hour

[18:46:27]

SHADOW__X:

i am using about 125gigs

[18:46:37]

clever:

depends on the drive speeds

[18:46:45]

clever:

having them on seperate ide cables would help with the speed

[18:46:53]

SHADOW__X:

the hd is a 320 gig sata 2 and the 750 is a sata 2 enterprise drive

[18:47:01]

SHADOW__X:

they are both sata

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mzb_d800:

125GB / 50MB/s (ish)

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SHADOW__X:

right something about that

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clever:

(125*1024)/50

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clever:

seconds to copy

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SHADOW__X:

around 43 minutes

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SHADOW__X:

alright sounds good

[18:48:51]

SHADOW__X:

ill get the drive ready so i can shut down the box throw it in

[18:48:57]

SHADOW__X:

and start on that

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mzb_d800:

if the wind is blowing in the right direction, and you're wearing a red tie

[18:49:09]

clever:

if your copying the partition while its mounted youll have more problems

[18:49:10]

SHADOW__X:

waiting for xmen in hd to end

[18:49:17]

SHADOW__X:

hmm

[18:49:24]

SHADOW__X:

so should i boot onto a live cd

[18:49:25]

mzb_d800:

oh ... and a real filesystem helps .... not forgetting a nice machine ;)

[18:49:25]

SHADOW__X:

?

[18:49:34]

BULLE:

well, its ok to copy it if its read only mounted

[18:49:40]

clever:

yeah a livecd would reduce the problems some

[18:49:42]

clever:

but also

[18:49:49]

SHADOW__X:

amd x2 le 2300 2 gigs of ram integrated 6150 using 256 megs of ram

[18:49:56]

clever:

the resize afterwards can be damn slow

[18:49:56]

clever:

if you copy the files instead

[18:50:06]

clever:

it will clean the fragmentation and run at a diff speed

[18:50:11]

SHADOW__X:

hmm

[18:50:29]

SHADOW__X:

what i care about is keeping my mythsytem in tact

[18:50:42]

SHADOW__X:

would coping the files keep that in tact

[18:50:44]

SHADOW__X:

?

[18:50:49]

clever:

copying the whole partition is just 1 seq read and can max out the drives speed, but also copys free space and leaves it fragmented, and then theres the long expand

[18:50:57]

BULLE:

SHADOW__X: sure, if done properly

[18:51:21]

clever:

copying the files means alot of seeking to find the fragments but they are assembled in 1 peice so it may run faster then before, and no expand afterwards

[18:51:34]

mzb_d800:

rsync on livecd (unless you've used lvm partitions)

[18:51:57]

clever:

rsync could be used inplace of cp but ive never looked that closely at it

[18:52:08]

mzb_d800:

rsync -a

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clever:

and run it as root so the perms/ownership can be restored

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ldiamond:

I'm looking to get hardware to build a home theater pc.

[18:54:20]

ldiamond:

I'm still trying to figure out what's the best solution

[18:54:46]

ldiamond:

Mini-ITX, any ATX ff, some kind of embedded solution

[18:55:06]

SHADOW__X:

mzb_d800: whats rsynce for

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SHADOW__X:

ldiamond: if you are building a frontend./backend you might need more power than an embedded system on miniitx if you are doing hd

[18:56:22]

ldiamond:

well, I'm not gonna do HD yet, but I'd like it to be compatible

[18:56:49]

SHADOW__X:

if you want it to be both a frontend and a backend then you might want to look at something larger

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SHADOW__X:

to record hd you dont need much

[18:56:57]

ldiamond:

What I'm looking to do is have a bunch of NAS, and stream to the HTPC through the network

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SHADOW__X:

to play it back is where you need it

[18:57:18]

SHADOW__X:

a mythfrontend can work as a htpc

[18:58:45]

SHADOW__X:

mzb_d800: will rysnce a do what i want

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MartinCleaver:

.

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** MartinCleaver does not have the rights to change the topic **

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

of

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SHADOW__X:

cant i just use gparted copy lol

[19:08:13]

clever:

posibly

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clever:

but thats less fun

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SHADOW__X:

agreed

[19:08:34]

SHADOW__X:

its going away from what linux is supposed to be

[19:08:52]

docjay:

does anyone here use the Iguana IR?

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docjay:

do moste people here use cards that came with remotes?

[19:17:17]

docjay:

I just have a HDhomerun

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Dagmar:

Iguana?

[19:19:02]

Dagmar:

Do you mean IguanaWorks?

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docjay:

yep

[19:19:14]

Dagmar:

I use their serial transciever.

[19:19:19]

Dagmar:

It's dead easy

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Dagmar:

They're mentioned on the wiki for that reason

[19:19:35]

docjay:

I have thier USB transciever... I

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docjay:

I can't get lirc to see thier driver at all — I guess it has to be added by hand and I've hit a wall

[19:20:20]

Dagmar:

No idea.

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docjay:

what do you use for a tuner Dagmar?

[19:22:56]

ldiamond:

Shadow, what does the mythbackend do?

[19:24:10]

docjay:

ldiamond: for a bunch of NAS.. have you looked @ freenas.org? I'm using with probably 2.5TB online and I have all of my movies on it and Myth uses for mythvideo

[19:25:00]

ldiamond:

havent looked

[19:25:13]

ldiamond:

I was thinking of buying something like DNS343 from dlink

[19:25:17]

docjay:

its a kewl project – definetly worth it

[19:25:52]

docjay:

if you have a few old disks laying around, you can use thier ZFS or thier software RAID5 ....

[19:26:21]

docjay:

you will need an extra PC though..

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edman007:

sphery, my configure line is ./configure --prefix=/usr --libdir-name=lib64 --compile-type=release --disable-ccache --disable-distcc --disable-dbox2 --disable-hdhomerun --arch=x86_64 --tune=native --cpu=native --enable-dvb --dvb-path=/usr/include --with-bindings=perl --enable-proc-opt --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync --disable-audio-arts

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ldiamond:

yea, thats the problem I see, the need for an extra PC

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edman007:

so, no, i don't have that option

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abarbacci1:

hey guys – anyone see the hvr-2250. it's shipping on july 21st apparently.

[19:29:02]

docjay:

sweet

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ldiamond:

Whats the cheapest way to get NAS with Raid 5 ?

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SHADOW__X:

dso clever what should i use

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SHADOW__X:

gparted rysnce

[19:29:42]

SHADOW__X:

or what else

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ldiamond:

by cheapest, I mean cheaper than getting a PC with a 500$ raid adapter

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SHADOW__X:

i am going to do it now

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Buying a motherboard that has lots of SATA ports and RAID5 in the BIOS

[19:30:30]

Dagmar:

Seriously, c'mon.

[19:30:35]

ldiamond:

Dagmar, im a little bit scared by these kind of software raid

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docjay:

you really don't need a $500 raid card... you can use software raid or ZFS... ZFS is really super fast

[19:30:45]

Dagmar:

You're using 'RAID5', 'NAS', and 'cheap' in the same sentence.

[19:30:51]

Dagmar:

I want some of what you're smoking.

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SHADOW__X:

freenas

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ldiamond:

there are 400$ 4 hdd NAS out there

[19:31:22]

docjay:

then go buy one

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: You know, I was pretty sure I said "in the BIOS"

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SHADOW__X:

yup

[19:31:38]

SHADOW__X:

alot of newer boards support it

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Dagmar:

Hell, mine supports it

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sid3windr:

"in the bios" = software raid, usually ;)

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ldiamond:

yep

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ldiamond:

bios = soft

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docjay:

which is cheese

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ldiamond:

hardware means having a xor processor

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Dagmar:

sid3windr: Except *I* said it and I'm not a lying sales f*ck

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ldiamond:

and +

[19:32:35]

Dagmar:

Hey, imagine that.

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Dagmar:

XOR technology.

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: except your reference to not a specific board redirects the asker to sales f*cks ;)

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Dagmar:

Hopefully we'll get that on x86 soon.

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Dagmar:

sid3windr: That's up there with asking the homeless which IRA is best.

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sid3windr:

:]

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Dagmar:

The salesmen at the local Best Buy finally know not to say a fucking word to me until spoken to

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docjay:

;)

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Dagmar:

Not unless they're 100% correct about what they're going to try to tell me.

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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Dagmar:

I really, really dislike that they're still trying to pass off Geek Squad as experts, while recruiting them mainly from the sales staff who've never lifted a screwdriver without adult supervision.

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SHADOW__X:

yeah i dont like geek squad

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SHADOW__X:

i havnt seen one geek there

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Dagmar:

They *used* to be good.

[19:36:14]

sid3windr:

well

[19:36:17]

Dagmar:

...back before Katrina.

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SHADOW__X:

before they went into best buy

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SHADOW__X:

?

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Dagmar:

After Katrina, they had to cover for a massive profit loss

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sid3windr:

"best buy" doesn't sound to me like a place where you'd find people who know what they're selling :)

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SHADOW__X:

agreed

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Dagmar:

....so the first place stupid organizations go to cut costs is to get rid of the "overly paid" employees, i.e., all the people who were the reason they could charge large dollars for onsite in the first place.

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Dagmar:

...and then they started hiring blue shirts to fill in.

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Dagmar:

...and those blueshirts are the people who occasionally try to tell me really stupid things like "The power supply in this machine is proprietary and has three wires instead of four."

[19:39:33]

Dagmar:

...or "It's the gold on the USB 2.0 cables that makes the electricity go faster."

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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Dagmar:

...and "There's no power consumption difference between 7200RPM drives and 5200RPM drives"

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SHADOW__X:

well certain models did use .....

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sid3windr:

lol =)

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Dagmar:

Hell, I warned the salesman who told me the power supply wires thing *in advance* that he shouldn't try to feed me any "for the customers" answers.

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SHADOW__X:

heh

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SHADOW__X:

where you buying a comp there ?

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Dagmar:

My parents were.

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SHADOW__X:

ah why didnt you just build one?

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Dagmar:

I went with my dad to make sure there wouldn't be any shenanigans

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Dagmar:

...because they wanted a warranty with onsite, and I was going to be a few thousand mies away

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SHADOW__X:

ah makes sense

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ldiamond:

Alright, I need some help figuring out what hardware I need for my htpc

[20:26:07]

ldiamond:

First, is there a way to encode H.264?

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Dagmar:

then we need information about what you intend to be watching

[20:26:18]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[20:26:32]

Dagmar:

Of course there is.

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Dagmar:

Anything (like ffmpeg) linked to x264 can do it

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ldiamond:

yea, but hardware?

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Dagmar:

For that you buy an HD-PVR unit.

[20:27:21]

Dagmar:

Digital broadcasts are already encoded.

[20:27:22]

ldiamond:

theres no capture cards that support h264?

[20:27:31]

Dagmar:

There is only the HD-PVR Hauppauge makes.

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ldiamond:

without HD-PVR hauppage recorder, is a low end CPU able to encode h264 in real time?

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tank-man:

lol

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Dagmar:

HAHAHH

[20:30:00]

Dagmar:

no.

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GreyFoxx:

not a chance

[20:30:07]

ldiamond:

thats what I thought

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SHADOW__X_:

think before the speaks

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SHADOW__X_:

thee*

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Dagmar:

A *high-end* CPU would have a hard time.

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ldiamond:

well, what do you define as high end

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Dagmar:

Anything you're doing that involves encoding on your CPU in realtime, just forget about.

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Realtime encoding for h264 isn't happening in any useful way.

[20:31:41]

ldiamond:

so theres no way to record H264 on a htpc?

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Dagmar:

Forget about it.

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Okay, about four times now you've been told about Hauppauge's HD-PVR.

[20:32:02]

ldiamond:

record live tv*

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abarbacci1:

Dagmar: HD-PVR does real time encoding to h264

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GreyFoxx:

ldia: Recording and then reencoding to H264 maybe, but not realtime encoding without the use of exyternal hardware

[20:32:22]

Dagmar:

abarbacci1: No shit, really? I wouldn't have ever guessed that

[20:33:03]

abarbacci1:

Dagmar: chill with the attitude. I was just making a comment

[20:33:30]

Dagmar:

abarbacci1: You're not helping, and you're telling me stuff I *just typed* 30 seconds ago.

[20:35:04]

Dagmar:

ldiamond: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html is pretty much the only option for encoding HD video without shelling out >$2000

[20:35:18]

ldiamond:

yea I saw that

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webvictim:

ah, it's Dagmar again

[20:35:30]

webvictim:

on his one-man crusade to rid the internet of newbies! :P

[20:35:32]

ldiamond:

but I dont want anything external

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SadEagle:

hi... any advice on debugging why my capture card won't work in mythtv (but would elsewhere) --- live TV black screens and timeouts, and soon after the backend seems stuck someplace, seemingly in an uninterruptable sleep, w/o even ability to attach gdb to it

[20:35:44]

Dagmar:

webvictim: How about you drop the hypocracy and quit trying to start an argument.

[20:35:53]

webvictim:

hypocrisy?

[20:35:59]

webvictim:

intention to troll, i'll accept

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Then your options begin somewhere in the $2000 range.

[20:36:16]

Dagmar:

One more ignorant asshole for the ignore list. Ho hum.

[20:36:28]

webvictim:

suits me down to the ground.

[20:36:56]

Dagmar:

ldiamond: Aside from heat issues that might get ugly, the thing is kinda small. You could maybe fit it inside a mid-tower case.

[20:38:06]

ldiamond:

USB connection..?

[20:38:25]

ldiamond:

Can it be controled via USB or only through the remote?

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GreyFoxx:

It;s not a tuner

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GreyFoxx:

Its an encoder

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Dagmar:

You could at least look at the product specs, since I got the URL for you.

[20:38:53]

GreyFoxx:

It receives signal from an external source such as a settop bnox

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ldiamond:

I know its not a tuner

[20:39:20]

ldiamond:

but its not going to record 100% of the time is it..?

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Dagmar:

Why would you think that

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GreyFoxx:

only when your app tells it to

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ldiamond:

I dont think that, thats y I asked if it could be controlled via USB

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ldiamond:

or only with the remote.

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GreyFoxx:

your PC talks to it via the usb port...

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tank-man:

if something can only be controlled by remote, you can use a ir blaster

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ldiamond:

And its something I dont want.

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Dagmar:

Well, there's PCI cards that will do it, but they start at about two grand

[20:42:47]

GreyFoxx:

A remote is not required to use the hdpvr, but an IR blaster(which I believe the hdpvr has built it) is usually used to control the settop box connected to it

[20:42:58]

GreyFoxx:

again, controlled over usb

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webvictim:

because rome wasn't built in a day :)

[21:01:35]

i_is_cat:

no but it could've been done in 3.. :P

[21:01:49]

i_is_cat:

seriously tho.. anyone know how to set progressive by default?

[21:01:55]

dustybin:

even the first releases will probably be buggy so maybe it could take 1 year+ before you see a smooth driver

[21:01:56]

ldiamond:

So you're saying I should go with the 7xxx series?

[21:02:06]

Dagmar:

ldiamond: If you have questions, read the page again.

[21:02:12]

Dagmar:

I wrote the damn thing.

[21:02:21]

Dagmar:

I didn't leave anything in there even remotely vague.

[21:02:34]

i_is_cat:

Dagmar is smart he knows shit that people who think they know shit dont even know

[21:02:41]

Dagmar:

We're not playing the "ask the same question in a slightly different way and hope for a different answer"-game anymore.

[21:03:02]

ldiamond:

You're telling me to read something, I did.

[21:03:06]

webvictim:

some people call that smartness, some call it arrogance

[21:03:18]

ldiamond:

What I got out of this is that the 8 series does not support XvMC

[21:03:34]

ldiamond:

but I have absolutely no idea if XvMC is actually needed or useful in any way

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

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dschan:

@i_is_cat: I have the prob with prob with progressive, too. And also on backend/frontend system. I had read that it doesn't save the setting because of "deeper" reasons...

[21:15:34]

i_is_cat:

well some people think that if it makes sense to them it should make sense to everyone but everyone learns differently.. i dont know if i'd call it arrogance so much as tried patience..

[21:15:34]

Dagmar:

i_is_cat: Well, I didn't even notice there was somewhere in there to set the OSD to progressive or interlaced

[21:15:34]

Dagmar:

I just kind of assumed it was simply a painted pixmap so it didn't matter.

[21:15:34]

i_is_cat:

well i dont know if its technically the "osd" per se, but when you hit M the menu that comes up and everything else (including the osd) is all jumpy and blurry, going to the video scan section i believe it is (under M) and setting it to progressive makes it look nice and smooth, it just doesnt stay that way..

[21:15:34]

webvictim:

i_is_cat: do you think that the progressive/interlaced switch would make a difference to how smoothly the OSD appears on screen?

[21:15:34]

i_is_cat:

it does for me

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webvictim:

as i have been wondering how i might improve the look of it myself

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dschan:

so it did for me, but had th same prob

[21:15:34]

webvictim:

how d'you change it?

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i_is_cat:

hit M

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i_is_cat:

in livetv or whatever

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webvictim:

thanks, i'll take a look

[21:15:34]

i_is_cat:

then go to "video scan" i think its called and then progressive

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[21:15:35]

Tanthrix:

It's

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Tanthrix:

er, damned enter key.

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i_is_cat:

the position saved thing?

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Tanthrix:

It's something that I've seen before as well, primarily with bob deinterlacing. I think it has something to do with the fact that the OSD is rendered in some sense as part of the video, rather than on top of it.

[21:15:35]

Tanthrix:

So with bob I get (or at least, used to get) jumping, blurry OSD whenever it was turned on.

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

That's not just for the OSD

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

Far as I know that overrides the playback settings for this playback session

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i_is_cat:

i tried setting it to progressive and hitting enter then exit livetv and reopen and its still fuzzy and jumpy..

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

Yah, because it goes back to using what was specified in the setup menus for the playback profile

[21:15:35]

Tanthrix:

What he said. ^^

[21:15:35]

i_is_cat:

thanks Dagmar i shall take a look

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

I won't be much help with sorting out those crazy menus for changing playback profiles.

[21:15:35]

Tanthrix:

Deinterlacing is the devil.

[21:15:35]

Tanthrix:

I don't think I'm ever going to find a software deinterlacer that can make TNG look decent. Damned 20+ year old beta crap...

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

I usually just add a new one and put what sounds good to me at the time in there, rather than figure out what the hell "1280 x 480 >= ffmpeg & blitter" is supposed to mean

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ldiamond:

the 7xxx series doesnt seem to be HDCP compliant

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

You won't be doing HDCP under Linux.

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

...nor will you need to.

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i_is_cat:

cool setting it to high quality seems to have done the trick

[21:15:35]

ldiamond:

you can playback blueray under linux without hdcp?

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

Of course.

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

...except that first part, "playback blueray under Linux" is a little laughable.

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

Kind of a lack of drivers, so people have to first *rip* the media, and *then* play it

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ldiamond:

euh...

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it's rather unpleasant.

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dschan:

the de-interlacing prob is solved for me, too. Thx all

[21:19:07]

i_is_cat:

whats the deal with the dvd ripping thing in mythtv.. it gives you individual titles and stuff to rip but no preview to see which title is which episode or whatever? :/

[21:19:19]

ldiamond:

euh, XvMC is only available for onboard gpus?

[21:19:30]

i_is_cat:

since when

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ldiamond:

I dunno

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ldiamond:

thats what I'm seeing there http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidia_Cards

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ldiamond:

in the table

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Dagmar:

Rub your eyes, look again.

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ldiamond:

Available Forms: Integrated

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Dagmar:

Try again.

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sohocoke:

ugh, victory is so elusive..

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Vinconzo:

hi

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sohocoke:

can anyone give me a hand with channel configuration? I'd like to configure all the uk freeview channels, and at the moment i'm missing the big4 meanwhile there's a bunch of channels which shouldn't be there and crash my frontend.

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stuarta:

sohocoke: tried using the channel scanner?

[21:31:36]

Vinconzo:

i installed mythtv and it all works nicely but i cant use my tv tuner. MythTV says "Tuner 1 is not available"

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sohocoke:

yeah. i obtained a convincing .xmltv file, put it in ~/.mythtv/, then used the scanner.

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** stuarta just went for the scanner **

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webvictim:

sohocoke: i didn't even have to do that. i just ran the scanner and it worked

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sohocoke:

stuarta: in the uk?

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webvictim:

(UK freeview here too)

[21:31:36]

stuarta:

i put a lot of effort into making that work properly

[21:31:36]

stuarta:

and yes in the uk

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sohocoke:

stuarta: xmltv or eit?

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stuarta:

personally eit

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stuarta:

it's my pet project making it work well

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sohocoke:

right

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stuarta:

tho others use xmltv just fine as well

[21:31:36]

sohocoke:

so sunday night is the right time for this then :)

[21:31:36]

sohocoke:

how can i start from scratch?

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stuarta:

no, you just lucky

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stuarta:

:)

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stuarta:

step 1. decide on eit or xmltv

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Vinconzo:

how do i fix my problem? the tv tuner does work in tvtime

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sohocoke:

xmltv please

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stuarta:

Vinconzo: have you been through all the step in mythtv-setup?

[21:31:36]

Vinconzo:

yes

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stuarta:

sohocoke: the more complicated of the 2 but not that bad.

[21:31:36]

stuarta:

use the channel scanner, and get all the channels

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Vinconzo:

stuarta: hold on i'll try again

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sohocoke:

stuarta: i believe that's already done – want me to do it again?

[21:31:36]

stuarta:

then put all the xmltvid's for the stations in.

[21:31:59]

stuarta:

how come you are missing the big4?

[21:32:11]

stuarta:

do you get them on the house tv/STB ?

[21:32:14]

i_is_cat:

my lcd doesnt seem to be displaying properly on the remote frontend i have the heartbeat right now and usually it stays like that but randomly it will decide if it wants to display the time forever or a menu or a show i watched 15min ago etc.. and when i start mythlcdserver manually it says its getting abunch of commands it doesnt understand..

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i_is_cat:

2008-07–13 15:36:43.602 LCDProcClient: WARNING: Something is gettingpassed to LCDd that it doesn't understand

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sohocoke:

stuarta: not sure / yes.

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briand:

hi all. updating my SVN install on fedora. downloaded QT4 (qt4-devel) and all, but the compile process still seems to be picking up /usr/lib/qt-3.3/* etc. ??

[21:34:15]

Dagmar:

i_is_cat: I can only *suggest* *trying* the fuser command to find out what the lcdserver is listening to, and them more of the same to see what's talking to it.

[21:34:26]

sohocoke:

k, here goes one more shot.. deleting channels

[21:34:36]

Knopit:

I am having Mythweather errors in that the radar map images are not available. I suspect that the web page used to download the radar images has changed.

[21:35:00]

ldiamond:

Is XvMC really worth the extra 50–60$ ?

[21:35:08]

cesman:

whaaa?

[21:35:31]

cesman:

you can get a video card w/ XvMC for 50–60$

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Dagmar:

Less than that

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Knopit:

Has anyone heard of recent problems with MythWeather been reported recently?

[21:35:44]

ldiamond:

Everythin I see is 120$ +

[21:35:48]

ldiamond:

and the 8 series is around 50

[21:35:51]

Dagmar:

Knopit: Other than "it doesn't work for beans"

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cesman:

Dagmar: right!

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Dagmar:

www.newegg.com

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sohocoke:

stuarta: any advice on which scan type to go for?

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cesman:

ldiamond: you _don't_ need the latest and greatest video card

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Dagmar:

Knopit; Something's pretty boned up with MythWeather, I can at least confirm that

[21:37:15]

Knopit:

Dagmar: Thanks this seems to happen a lot w/ mythweather

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Dagmar:

There's probably 5–6 places in the wiki where it mentions a 5200 is about the "most" video card MythTV can really put to work at the moment

[21:38:02]

Dagmar:

Knopit: Yeah, it was working, then it broke, then they redid it and fixed it for 0.21, and now it's apparently broken again

[21:38:03]

ldiamond:

cesman, I'm trying to find the cheapest one but the 7 series seems to be much more expensive than the 8 everywhere I look.

[21:38:11]

Dagmar:

I think it stayed working for like, a month or less.

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Knopit:

cesman: Was your "right!" in reference to Mythweather?

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ldiamond:

also, it doesnt support component and svideo..?

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: It's because they're not making many of them anymore, or because you're looking at 7950 cards, which are high end

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Knopit:

Dagmar: That was my experience — maybe a bit longer

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ldiamond:

I was looking at a 7600, wich is the lowest I found atm

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Dagmar:

If you've a PCI slot free, you could probably find a 5200 somewhere for like, $20

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ldiamond:

a 5200 will be enough..?

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Dagmar:

At the present time, yes.

[21:41:26]

Dagmar:

Video playback doesn't take a whole lot of power.

[21:41:32]

Dagmar:

...SD content anyway.

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ldiamond:

well, if can a 5200 even support HD bandwidth?

[21:41:55]

ldiamond:

or even PCI.

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cesman:

Knopit: no, it wasn't

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Dagmar:

Even using XvMC to take the (pretty weak) load off the CPU, SD doesn't even tax an MX 440 very much

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stuarta:

sohocoke: either "existing transport scan" or "full scan"

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cesman:

ldiamond: 5200 is fine for HD!

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ldiamond:

oh well

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** stuarta waves to cesman **

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** cesman waves to stuarta **

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Dagmar:

A plain PCI bus *I think* should be enough for 1080 playback, but I'm not certain

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BULLE:

ldiamond: PCI buss isnt fast enough for full hd

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cesman:

you can even you the MX 440 for HD

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ldiamond:

then I need a PCI-express card...

[21:43:06]

BULLE:

ldiamond: or afp

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Dagmar:

Bulle sounds like he's looked up the numbers

[21:43:09]

BULLE:

agp

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cesman:

I've tested both the 440 and 5200 for HD using XvMC w/ a Athlon XP 2800+

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stuarta:

BULLE: that's crap, full HD is 15Mb/s

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sohocoke:

oooo the big4 have been detected

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stuarta:

pci bus can do that easy

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Dagmar:

stuarta: You're certain there's enough bus in PCI for it? OKay

[21:43:47]

cesman:

w/ that CPU, the 5200 (w/ 256 MB) worked best

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sohocoke:

k, running mythfilldatabase now..

[21:43:57]

sohocoke:

(that shouldn't hurt should it?)

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BULLE:

stuarta: yes, its 15mb/s COMPRESSED

[21:44:03]

stuarta:

Dagmar: done it no probs on the BBC HD test mux

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scant:

i have 3 tuners, 2 NTSC, 1 QAM, i want to record from a HDTV station on the QAM tuner if it's not already recording, I think the prefer tuner option 'Recording Option' may help, but I want a fallback to the same station from either one of the 2 NTSC tuners, the issue I'm facing is that the stations on the QAM tuner have different channel names, XMLIDs, ChanIDs, and callsigns

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stuarta:

the problem is the playback

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BULLE:

stuarta: you need to uncompress it and transfer it as a raw image, over the pci bus

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briand:

anyone?? migrating QT3 SVN environment ==> QT4 SVN environment ??

[21:44:28]

stuarta:

BULLE: that's still doable

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stuarta:

the bus can handle it

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Dagmar:

Irritiatingly there's no 6xxx cards in PCI form

[21:44:46]

stuarta:

it's most peoples cpu's that aren't up to in in real time

[21:45:19]

BULLE:

stuarta: one single 1920x1080 25bit picture is what, 6mbyte large ?

[21:45:23]

stuarta:

however that's normally with video on AGP

[21:45:24]

BULLE:

stuarta: and you want 30fps

[21:45:28]

ldiamond:

I'm starting to think I'd be better off with something like a dreambox.

[21:45:30]

stuarta:

or PCIe

[21:45:32]

Dagmar:

A 6xxx card would just about be future-proof, since it's got the "stuff" necessasry for PureVideo which is likely going to be what Gallium will require once it's working

[21:45:38]

BULLE:

stuarta: so you get 30x6=180 mega byte per second

[21:45:51]

BULLE:

stuarta: your normal 32bit pci bus, maxes out at a theoritcal max of 132

[21:46:00]

BULLE:

eg 33mhz 32bit

[21:46:12]

ldiamond:

Gallium?

[21:46:13]

BULLE:

and you dont get close to theoretical max on a shared bus like the pci bus

[21:46:14]

stuarta:

it does depend how your video card is connected

[21:46:35]

stuarta:

in the last 10 years cards are generally AGP or PCIe

[21:46:37]

BULLE:

well, we were talking about pci graphicscards

[21:46:38]

stuarta:

which is fine

[21:46:46]

** stuarta musta missed that bit **

[21:46:46]

BULLE:

yes

[21:46:55]

BULLE:

thats why said it needed to be agp or pcie

[21:47:01]

** stuarta musta missed that bit too **

[21:47:09]

stuarta:

apologies

[21:47:30]

BULLE:

no worries!

[21:47:35]

briand:

i bought a replacement 5200 (AGP) from newegg just a couple months ago.

[21:47:52]

ldiamond:

but theres no agp mobo anymore..

[21:47:54]

BULLE:

briand: agp is fast enough for 1080p !

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BULLE:

ldiamond: well, pci-e works just as well!

[21:48:12]

briand:

ldiamond: there is, in my mythtv system! ;)

[21:48:15]

ldiamond:

yea I know

[21:48:24]

ldiamond:

but theres no 5–6 series with Pci-e

[21:48:48]

BULLE:

ldiamond: so get a 7000 series

[21:48:49]

Dagmar:

There's 7xxx-series cards in AGP and PCIe tho

[21:48:53]

stuarta:

course not, old card on a new GPU

[21:48:59]

Dagmar:

http://www.evga.com/products/prodlist.asp?fam . . . eries+Family

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SadEagle:

ldiamond: well, there is a 7100, which is really a 6-series.

[21:50:18]

SadEagle:

Anyway, any advice on debugging capture-not-working, and the backend locking up shortly after?

[21:50:49]

Dagmar:

7100 doesn't do XvMC tho

[21:51:10]

stuarta:

so what is "capture-not-working"

[21:51:30]

Dagmar:

Basically, any 7xxx cards that don't mention support for PureVideo aren't going to support the MC necessary for XvMC, so the 7100 would be a bad choise

[21:52:15]

SadEagle:

stuarta: starting livetv in mythtv --- black screen, then jumps back to menu. Recording doesn't work either. tvtime works.

[21:52:18]

ldiamond:

http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn= . . . ies%20Family

[21:52:28]

ldiamond:

I guess thats a good choice (seems to be fanless)

[21:52:39]

briand:

SadEagle: is the log not showing any error message(s)?

[21:52:39]

stuarta:

SadEagle: that sounds like having the start channel set = a non existant / non working channel

[21:52:42]

SadEagle:

stuarta: the backend seems locked up somewhat ---- can't kill,or even ctrl-c in gdeb.

[21:53:07]

SadEagle:

briand: nothing interesting. if I do -v all, it seems like the frontend is polling isRecording a lot, andperhaps getting a 0 back.

[21:53:21]

jpabq:

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11174

[21:56:28]

** sid3windr also has a black screen on livetv **

[21:56:30]

briand:

so, nobody here is compiling recent SVN, then? I'd have thought it more popular than that. :shrug:

[21:56:35]

sid3windr:

no error in log

[21:56:39]

sid3windr:

2x esc gets me back into frontend menu

[21:56:42]

sid3windr:

backend isn't dead though

[21:57:18]

SadEagle:

I think this may be a driver issue, though --- on an older install, I had to rebuild v4l to get the remote working, and that killed the video.

[21:57:38]

SadEagle:

(It's a leadtek 2000xp, with a bttv, though with a weird remote flavor)

[21:58:00]

jpabq:

briand, I am running svn trunk. What was your question?

[21:58:13]

Knopit:

Dagmar: Do you think changing the web page info here "@$data = file("http://www.weather.com/weather/map/" . $this->acid . "?from=LAPmaps&setcookie=1")" to the actual web address of my region's maps would help?

[21:58:44]

stuarta:

SadEagle: is your start channel set to a channel that exists?

[21:58:49]

Dagmar:

I've no idea because I don't know what any of those variables contain.

[21:59:11]

briand:

jpabq: i'm just updating to the QT4 environment. compile now finds the proper qmake and proceeds, but it looks like it's -I[ncluding]/usr/lib/qt-3.3 still.. that, and there's no difference at all in the finished product. :)

[21:59:25]

Knopit:

Dagmar: Me neither

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SadEagle:

stuarta: checking now... sort of. Unexpected difficulties

[22:00:02]

briand:

jpabq: so, aside from installing qt4-devel (from fedora repos), what else do i need to do?

[22:00:15]

Dagmar:

Knopit: So add a line that tells it to log the URL somewhere so you can see what it's trying to pull

[22:00:16]

Knopit:

But that seems to be the difficult part of Mythweather — keeping up with the changing addresses of the source info.

[22:00:16]

jpabq:

briand, so you are sure you ran the qt4 version of qmake? Also, I believe you can do something like "--qmake=/usr/lib64/qt4/bin/qmake" on your configure line.

[22:00:44]

Dagmar:

Knopit: If someone would just create a perl package that simply allowed for passing data to be displayed, I'd write backends for the rest

[22:01:00]

briand:

jpabq: prior to installing qt4, compile was stopping on the ./configure line, unable to find qmake for qt4

[22:01:30]

briand:

jpabq: but i think, now, it's using qt4 qmake, then building/linking with qt3 still

[22:01:36]

jpabq:

briand, you would also need qt4-mysql

[22:01:43]

briand:

jpabq: got that,too. :)

[22:01:57]

Dagmar:

I should really look at MythWeather closely.

[22:02:19]

Dagmar:

*(facepalm* if it's actually all in perl I shouldn't have any major problems just rewriting big pieces of it until it stops acting screwey

[22:02:51]

jpabq:

briand, did you ever install myth from the repos? In other words, the repos install myth in /usr/bin, while when you install from svn it installs in /usr/local/bin

[22:03:33]

briand:

jpabq: i'm thinking i need to change/remove the ENV variables for QTDIR, QTLIB and QTINC, but there is no 'lib' or 'include' directories in /usr/lib/qt4/ like there are in /usr/lib/qt-3.3/

[22:03:35]

Knopit:

Dagmar: That would make you a hero.

[22:03:55]

Dagmar:

Knopit: yeah, I've just been lazy about it assuming that there's got to be some serious problem with it

[22:04:00]

Dagmar:

...but perl I know *well*

[22:04:04]

jpabq:

briand, true. As long as you run the right version of qmake after running ./configure, it will find the right stuff.

[22:04:04]

Knopit:

Mythweather is a nice feature.

[22:04:23]

briand:

jpabq: my last repo install of myth was under fedora 3 with myth 0.17

[22:04:46]

clever:

lol, my first/last repo install was 0.18

[22:04:57]

clever:

since then ive been trunk all the way

[22:05:07]

Knopit:

Dagmar: Perl, C, C++, fortran, basic — I know none of it, at all

[22:05:12]

briand:

jpabq: so I shouldn't be concerned that every compile line has a -I=/usr/lib/qt-3.3/ line in it?

[22:05:36]

jpabq:

briand, yes, you should be concerned.

[22:05:37]

clever:

briand: the Makefile's dont get cleaned out properly when switching qt3->qt4

[22:05:55]

clever:

i uninstalled qt3 to make those bad files crash at compile time

[22:06:00]

jpabq:

briand, clever is right.

[22:06:16]

briand:

yum remove qt3-devel ??

[22:06:30]

Knopit:

Dagmar: But I do think that problem stems from the every changing location and type of information presented at the source websites.

[22:06:32]

clever:

sounds good, though i havent touched yum in years

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jpabq:

briand, is this a fresh check-out of myth? You may want to "find . -name Makefile -delete; svn update;/usr/lib/qt4/bin/qmake"

[22:07:28]

Knopit:

Dagmar: From what I read about the last problem it was a change in the address from 3W.xxx.com to www.xxx.com

[22:07:52]

Knopit:

Dagmar: Having to update the code with every change is tough.

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briand:

jpabq: updating from SVN 14xxxx

[22:09:01]

Dagmar:

This is why you define important crap like that like constants in the top of the code.

[22:09:35]

briand:

i'm running the `find` line now... will re-compile after that

[22:10:20]

jpabq:

briand, on that find line, you may need to change it to "/usr/lib64/qt4/bin/qmake" if you are running a 64bit distro.

[22:10:35]

Knopit:

Dagmar: See this is me problem. Already the conversation is beyond me.

[22:10:40]

briand:

nah, just a std 32bit

[22:10:43]

clever:

jpabq: on my system i have a qmake-qt4 which doesnt need the full path

[22:11:12]

SadEagle:

stuarta: starting channel looks fine, and I don't think it'll let me chose an invalid one (schedules direct..)

[22:11:15]

jpabq:

clever, that works

[22:12:04]

ldiamond:

Any1 here have a fanless HTPC?

[22:12:18]

briand:

running my `mythbuild` script now, which does a full compile...

[22:12:38]

clever:

briand: ive made similar ones to update and build every part of myth

[22:13:42]

briand:

clever: yep. individual parts, as i do it rarely, i do by hand. for the whole system, i just do `mythsvn` to update the code, then (after shutting down mythwelcome, mythfrontend, mythbackend) `mythbuild`

[22:14:13]

clever:

i compile while its running

[22:14:21]

clever:

and just shut the stuff down for the 'make install'

[22:14:46]

briand:

hmm.

[22:14:49]

clever:

themes and plugins can be installed while backends are up so they can wait till later

[22:14:58]

briand:

well, that produced a couple screens worth of errors.

[22:15:00]

briand:

:/

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clever:

yeah the install has to be done as root

[22:15:16]

clever:

after compiling

[22:16:14]

jimboprobs:

Hi. Apologies if this is covered in the instructions or on the mailing list – I've tried searching and can't find it. I have a strange problem trying to get running a MythTV system on a PAL TV. It boots into Myth GUI fine, and I can exit to the desktop OK, but if I click "Watch TV" the screen rolls to the extent that it's impossible to tell what's on screen. I have to restart X to recover.

[22:16:58]

briand:

clever: got a few to pore over this list and see what i did wrong?

[22:17:08]

briand:

lemme dig up a pastebin...

[22:17:14]

Dagmar:

jimboprobs: Sounds like yoiu don't have the vertical refresh set to 50Hz (PAL)

[22:18:15]

jimboprobs:

Dagmar – I think that may be right, but I'm having hassle getting it to 50Hz!

[22:18:56]

jimboprobs:

And I'm not sure why it would be fine in GUI but not TV...

[22:19:18]

briand:

http://pastebin.ca/1071222

[22:19:39]

Dagmar:

Maybe you foolishly configured it to use separate resolutions/modes for playback and GUI.

[22:19:59]

jimboprobs:

Both the Xorg config and the MythTV screens say 60Hz

[22:20:42]

jimboprobs:

The problem is the freq drop down only has 60Hz as an option – no 50Hz choice

[22:20:43]

Dagmar:

So you've misconfigured then.

[22:20:50]

Dagmar:

What drop-down

[22:20:55]

Dagmar:

There's no drop-downs in a text file

[22:20:58]

SadEagle:

Actually, seems to look an awful like this: http://www.nabble.com/Audio-bitrate-problems- . . . 9s15552.html

[22:21:53]

SadEagle:

(although the log also has the weird "HW Tuner: 65->65"

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jimboprobs:

There are drop downs if I got to Setup – Appearance – Video Mode Settings and enable "Separate video modes for GUI and TV playback". It has a "rate" option but the only item is 60Hz. Same if I use the Xorg Config

[22:24:20]

Dagmar:

Hey... this is me, not caring.

[22:24:34]

Dagmar:

If your'e outputting to a PAL TV, you need to set the vertical refresh rate to 50Hz

[22:24:34]

jimboprobs:

But I'm not sure that explains why it works OK for the GUI but not for the TV

[22:24:50]

Dagmar:

If all you're seeing in your poncey GUI tool is an option for 60Hz, the tool is broken.

[22:25:10]

Dagmar:

Run xorgconfig (think that's it) f you can't do it by hand

[22:25:33]

Dagmar:

jimboprobs: Because your TV is smarter than you are at the moment.

[22:25:51]

jimboprobs:

lol!

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Dagmar:

The menu image is stable enough that it can figure out what it should do from being sent a wrong signal.

[22:26:27]

wagnerrp:

14*3.14159

[22:26:41]

wagnerrp:

bah... wrong window

[22:26:53]

** stuarta spies pi! **

[22:27:00]

Dagmar:

Fourteen pies. MMMmmm....

[22:27:05]

stuarta:

ooo

[22:27:09]

stuarta:

much pie

[22:27:39]

stuarta:

although i coulda sworn it started like 3.14157

[22:27:57]

SadEagle:

when in doubt, ask TeX

[22:27:57]

Dagmar:

http://www.google.com/search?q=pi

[22:28:08]

** stuarta is asking wikipedia **

[22:28:14]

stuarta:

ah crap

[22:28:16]

Dagmar:

...which sez 3.14159265358979323846

[22:28:24]

** stuarta is wrong **

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jimboprobs:

Ah, that makes sense. So I just have to work out how to wrestle my X to 50Hz

[22:28:40]

stuarta:

just add pi

[22:28:40]

Dagmar:

jimboprobs: It ain't that hard.

[22:29:17]

** SadEagle spays some holy water on the zombie mythbackend **

[22:30:04]

** stuarta add X + pi and gets a pixie **

[22:30:37]

briand:

okay, ignore previous pastebin... :/

[22:31:15]

briand:

meanwhile, the compile is still including /usr/lib/qt-3.3 stuff. what do i change QTDIR, QTLIB, and QTINC env variables to?

[22:31:24]

jimboprobs:

Well, I've been having trouble with it. Every time I try to use a ModeLine that someone's recommended for PAL it won't even stay stable in GUI, so I have to drop back to a shell and edit xorg.conf back to the previous state. Any pointers would be gratefully received

[22:31:48]

briand:

well, dir is obvious... but there's no 'lib' or 'include' subdirectories in /usr/lib/qt4

[22:31:54]

Dagmar:

Stop trying to use bloody modelines

[22:32:17]

Dagmar:

What output are you using, hardware-wise.

[22:33:02]

jpabq:

briand, when it doubt, do it from scratch. So a fresh check-out of myth trunk in a new directory. When you do your ./configure step, include something like "--qmake=/usr/lib64/qt4/bin/qmake", and then run qmake-qt4.

[22:33:54]

briand:

jpabq: it's definitely using the correct qmake.

[22:33:56]

jimboprobs:

SCART to the TV. The card reports as Intel 915 but the chips on it say Chrontel 7021 and 7312. From Googling I think that the 7021 is what helps the 915 do its TV Out, but I could have misinterpreted.

[22:34:09]

briand:

states so in the first few lines of the ./configure output

[22:34:58]

BULLE:

jimboprobs: you are right, the chrontel chips is a tv encoder , eg it does the tv output

[22:35:12]

BULLE:

jimboprobs: its not a graphicscard just a chip that converts singals to tv standard

[22:35:18]

Dagmar:

jimboprobs: so, I'd say try running `xorgconfig` and see if it just magically generates a display you can live with

[22:35:37]

Dagmar:

...if it doesn't come up with 50Hz as the vertrefresh, look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/RGB_Scart

[22:35:50]

jimboprobs:

Thanks, I'll give that a try...

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jpabq:

briand, yeah but there may be some cruft laying around from back when you built with qt3. That is the only thing I can think of to cause it to do what it is doing.

[22:36:21]

briand:

jpabq: are there (new) valid settings for the QTLIB and QTINC environment variables?

[22:36:36]

Dagmar:

briand: 4 doesn't use 'em so I'm told

[22:37:00]

briand:

ah, so just delete them, and change QTDIR to /usr/lib/qt4, then?

[22:37:01]

jpabq:

briand, Unfortunately, even doing a "make distclean" in the myth tree does NOT completely clean everything up.

[22:40:40]

jimboprobs:

Dagmar – Tried the xorgconfig command – reports no known. Looked in Synaptic to see if I could install it and it's not there.

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Dagmar:

So basically, your distro makers are assholes is what you're telling me.

[22:41:18]

jimboprobs:

Am I missing something obvious again?

[22:41:20]

Dagmar:

Try `xorgcfg`. It might still be there.

[22:41:25]

Dagmar:

no, they're just assholes.

[22:41:36]

jimboprobs:

It's Ubuntu

[22:41:46]

Dagmar:

`xorgconfig` is the old, text based configurator that doesn't detect anything, it asks the user a load of questions, but never makes a bad config file

[22:42:03]

Dagmar:

Your video card has an actual SCART output on it?

[22:42:19]

stuarta:

surely such a thing does not exist

[22:42:23]

jimboprobs:

Yes – SCART socket on the back of the machine

[22:42:32]

stuarta:

what!!!!!!

[22:42:41]

Dagmar:

Is this one of those bizarre little EPIA things?

[22:42:59]

stuarta:

didn't think they had scart

[22:43:00]

jimboprobs:

It's a Scaleo E Media Centre.

[22:43:16]

stuarta:

oh, some evil MCE crap?

[22:43:26]

Dagmar:

Personalyl, I'd hassle the people in #Ubuntu about why it won't do 50Hz

[22:43:56]

Dagmar:

...since they've seen fit to remove the one automatic tool for configuring X that generally gets it right along with the legacy tool that can't screw up, they should experience a bit of pain.

[22:44:29]

jimboprobs:

I bought it barebones with no Win MCE, hoping to get Myth running on it...

[22:45:07]

stuarta:

i see much fun and pain in your future

[22:45:11]

jimboprobs:

It's possible that it's just not supported under Linux and I'll have to suck it up and get windows

[22:45:39]

stuarta:

90 something percent likely the scart output thing isn't supported

[22:46:00]

sohocoke:

stuarta: thanks, i just did another scan and it appears my backend is finally configured properly. yay!

[22:46:07]

stuarta:

\o/

[22:46:52]

sohocoke:

so now i'd like to set things up such that i end up with only a small version of a recording. what do i need to set up?

[22:47:26]

stuarta:

eh? record then make the recordings smaller?

[22:48:00]

jimboprobs:

Thanks for the help. I'll give the Ubuntu folks a try, give it one last chance to see if I can get it to 50Hz.

[22:48:38]

sohocoke:

stuarta: yes, unless i can just make a small recording.

[22:48:53]

sohocoke:

the background is that i need to get these recordings transferred over to ch

[22:49:06]

stuarta:

with dvb the resolution / encoding is set by the broadcaster

[22:49:17]

sohocoke:

or possibly watch via streaming then remove

[22:49:26]

stuarta:

so you must "transcode" afterwards if you want a smaller recording

[22:49:33]

sohocoke:

right

[22:49:44]

sohocoke:

is that something straightforward to automate?

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Dagmar:

"transferred to ch"? What's that even mean>?

[22:50:21]

sohocoke:

er i mean i need to copy the files over to switzerland in order to watch

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Dagmar:

That's entirely you.

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sohocoke:

entirely me?

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stuarta:

+up to

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Dagmar:

MythTV wasn't designed as a mechanism for shipping video to the other side of the globe.

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sohocoke:

i suspected that :)

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the-pred:

guys I am a windows guy, limit knoledge of Linux, do u suggest KnoppMyth or Mythbuntu

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the-pred:

slow night

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stuarta:

it's a sunday

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the-pred:

stuarta what do u suggest KnoppMyth or Mythbuntu

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stuarta:

the normal suggestion is whatever you know best

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stuarta:

i suspect that doesn't apply to u

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GreyFoxx:

the-: Hehe Hello to a fellow Haligonian :)

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GreyFoxx:

not often a I see another Eastlink user in here ;)

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the-pred:

GreyFoxx yup kalifax is my home

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GreyFoxx:

<<-- Sackville

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the-pred:

<<-- Dartmouth

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stuarta:

<<-- London

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GreyFoxx:

Heh

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** stuarta is clearly no help here **

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the-pred:

GreyFoxx do u use a sat tuner card?

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GreyFoxx:

I have in the past. but not since I moved.

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GreyFoxx:

I think Im gonna pick up a rotor and put the dish back up

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the-pred:

do u remeber which u used?

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GreyFoxx:

Twinhan something or other

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GreyFoxx:

IT's sitting on a shelf in my basement :)

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the-pred:

Think I will order one

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GreyFoxx:

Satellite connexxions in Burnside might have some instock

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GreyFoxx:

the majority of my stuff is recorded via my eastlink settopbox (firewire output) and some pvr 250''s

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GreyFoxx:

I was using a QAM based tuner for digital channels but they started encrypting the ones I really cared abnout

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the-pred:

Ya I use Bell

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GreyFoxx:

I've been highly tempted to look at the R5000HD mod to the bell boxes

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GreyFoxx:

but as it is now I have too much stuff than I have time to watch anyway

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phunyguy:

how effective are UHF signal boosters for over-the-air TV?

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phunyguy:

i am doing a channel scan, getting a lock, but it times out on most of the channels...

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phunyguy:

(It is UHF for HD right?)

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stuarta:

signal booster amplify both the signal and the noise

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the-pred:

GreyFoxx what is the R5000HD mod

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GreyFoxx:

the-pr: a small mod right inside the box to let you record the box decrypted channel via usb

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GreyFoxx:

couple circuit boards and cable

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the-pred:

which stb's

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GreyFoxx:

they have mods for most common settop bnoxes

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GreyFoxx:

even a DIY kit

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the-pred:

they sell online?

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** stuarta wonders if that OT for here? **

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.nextcomwireless.com/R5000/home.htm

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GreyFoxx:

little expensive, but still tempting to me

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GreyFoxx:

I saw some patches in trac to add support

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GreyFoxx:

not sure if they ever got in or not

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docjay:

my scheduled recordings are emtpy – anyone know which database is used to handle the schedule?

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docjay:

mythconverg?

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stuarta:

that's the only db myth uses

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** stuarta won't mention the one he renamed **

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docjay:

well, my backend is running, but my upcoming scheduled items are emtpy...

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xris:

docjay: restart the backend?

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stuarta:

well, have you any source of program information?

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docjay:

one thing that does happen after a boot, the frontend won't connect to the backend, and I have to restart the backend...then it will connect okay

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xris:

the schedule isn't stored in the db. it's generated dynamically by the backend

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docjay:

yep, I have program info for up to two weeks from SD

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stuarta:

that's a good star

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stuarta:

t

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docjay:

its been working find looks like up until 7/4

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docjay:

#fine

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stuarta:

so, have you created any recording schedules?

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** stuarta waves to xris **

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docjay:

yeah, I have about 10 or 15 shows that should have recording schedules.. I can see then in mythweb under recording schedules..but

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docjay:

when I go to upcoming recordings, its emtpy

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Dagmar:

The "and I have to restart the backend" is probably due to retarded init scripts bringing up services before all the interfaces are up

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stuarta:

that just means that the stuff you want to record isn't being shown soon

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stuarta:

pick something common like "the simpsons"

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docjay:

it should be.. I have the simpsons, king of the hill, family guy.. all of that stuff will be on this evening

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docjay:

bizzar

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stuarta:

k

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docjay:

wierd how it worked fine before some updates... imagine that

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stuarta:

what updates?

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docjay:

mythbuntu

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docjay:

I should turn those off

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stuarta:

that shouldn't be a problem

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janneg:

check the database, what does mythbackend --testsched reports

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stuarta:

sounds like for some reason your recording schedules aren't matching with the upcoming program data

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docjay:

sorry!

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** stuarta builds a dam **

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docjay:

:)

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stuarta:

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docjay:

ahhaha

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docjay:

anyway.. thats what mythbackend --testsched reports

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janneg:

docjay: use a pastebin for pasting more than a line or two

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stuarta:

we didn't see it cause you flooded the channel

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stuarta:

pastebin the output

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docjay:

pastebin.. not familir — must use the google

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janneg:

http://pastebin.ca or http:rafb.net and paste the link

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janneg:

s,:r,://r,

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stuarta:

ooo, good regexp

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stuarta:

:)

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wagnerrp:

have to be special, and use a non-standard deliminater

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stuarta:

you haven't mastered sed till you use a non-standard delimiter

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docjay:

here she is: http://pastebin.ca/1071271

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janneg:

well better a different seperator than escaping the standard one

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stuarta:

you have a lot of weekly records

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docjay:

yep, so no problem there

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stuarta:

perhaps change them a more flexible schedule

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docjay:

theres only like two or three a day

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stuarta:

ok, didn't notice someone sneaking in a changeset to make it say "Speculative scheduled...."

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docjay:

hmm

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janneg:

but that shouldn't be a problem most are marked as scheduled to record

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janneg:

the 'N' column is the status and a numerical startus is the cardid the show is supposed to record on

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janneg:

docjay: try mythbackend --resched

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janneg:

or look before if the output of mythbackend --printsched matches the --testsched output

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docjay:

here is the output: http://pastebin.ca/1071279

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docjay:

here is the output for --printsched http://pastebin.ca/1071280

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docjay:

any ideas?

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janneg:

docjay: strange, have you already restarted the backend?

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docjay:

yep, before I did the --printsched

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docjay:

or I should say before I asked you guys for help

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janneg:

anything unusual in the backend logs?

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docjay:

well, here is today's: http://pastebin.ca/1071288 — when it says finished recording some show its because I was watching a channel...

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