Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, July 11th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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MartinCleaver:

re: NTSC support for HVR-1800 http://www.spinics.net/lists/vfl/msg33768.html @ 12 Sep 2007 = "Analog video support for the cx23885 / cx23887 will be coming very soon."

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MartinCleaver:

But obviously its not out yet

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MartinCleaver:

unless its not obvious?

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iamlindoro:

MartinCleaver: The HVR-1800 *does* already have analog support, that is almost a year old!

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MartinCleaver:

ah, good.

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MartinCleaver:

Mine does not work :)

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iamlindoro:

anyway, issues with that card should be directed @ #linuxtv, not here

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iamlindoro:

here you have the occasional driver author in, there you have most of them idling

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MartinCleaver:

I did that there as well. This channel is, ahem, much busier

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iamlindoro:

yes, but we are smart enough not to *buy* new cards

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** MartinCleaver blushes **

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MartinCleaver:

actually looks like I asked in #v4l not #linuxtv

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iamlindoro:

#linuxtv for digital, #v4l for analog, but that driver is by stoth IIRC and he's more often in #linuxtv

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iamlindoro:

and the card is both so it *may* be okay with them if you ask there

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MartinCleaver:

ah, he's not there. What TZ is he in?

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MartinCleaver:

weird thing is that tvtime doesn't show analog either

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iamlindoro:

East Coast

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iamlindoro:

but he's nobody's slave, he comes when he likes

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MartinCleaver:

he's just slacking then :)

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** MartinCleaver quips **

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MartinCleaver:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1800 says:

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MartinCleaver:

Analog support for the WinTV-HVR-1800 (which is currently contingent upon the addition of such to the CX23385/7 driver) will be added in the near future

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iamlindoro:

now read the history

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iamlindoro:

go on

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iamlindoro:

click history

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iamlindoro:

and tell me the last edited date

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iamlindoro:

anything else you'd like me to debunk for you?

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MartinCleaver:

No, I'm happy enough to edit the page

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MartinCleaver:

Just want correct info out there

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MartinCleaver:

so I don't ask stupid questions

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andrboot:

Hi; i running a clean install of CENTOS 5, upgraded and with mythtv-suite installed.. i have a winfast 2000DTV card... it is support by vfl and the kernel picks it up.. but when i go to cofigure mythtv and tell it to use the "dtv" setup it doesn't like the card... any ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

Don't be an ass

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GreyFoxx:

If you haven't personally verified something do not put it on a wiki

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MartinCleaver:

I didn't change anything ;)

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro could be completely wrong

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GreyFoxx:

k

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MartinCleaver:

wasn't worth the hassle

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GreyFoxx:

now if/when you get it going yourself, that's another matter :)

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MartinCleaver:

even though, frankly, I disagree. If there is kernel support then that is the information

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GreyFoxx:

have YOU verified the kernel support?

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justinh:

that'll teach me for not disabling binary logging on mysql. duh

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iamlindoro:

IF you heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy, that's *not* information

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GreyFoxx:

Or are you going off what some random joe stranger on IRC told you ?

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iamlindoro:

justinh: you just missed a glorious rant

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MartinCleaver:

phrases such as "recent", "could" , "likely too late"

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MartinCleaver:

are all time sensitive

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GreyFoxx:

irrelevant

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justinh:

/var (which is on / not some other disk like I would've put it if I was more wise) was chock full, so mysql fell over. OOoooops

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MartinCleaver:

and stale by today's date

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justinh:

gawd it's weird seeing a terminal after 6 whole days of not seeing one ;)

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GreyFoxx:

where did you go on your holiday ?

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justinh:

'Sunny' Cornwall

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justinh:

one month's worth of rain in 2 days :D

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justinh:

immense fun once we were all suited up in waterproofs!

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justinh:

hmm can't see anything to do with binary logging in /etc/mysql/my.cnf :-\ Maybe the ubuntu guys do it in the init script....

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justinh:

took over 500 photos. should be erm.. fun sorting them out. sufficient to say we had a great time despite staying with the inlaws ;)

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jams:

justinh- your looking for bin-log

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jams:

log-bin

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justinh:

log-bin is commented out

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justinh:

I think it's about time I reassessed /var in relation to where it lives on this box

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justinh:

15G / partition ain't enough for er... unforseen circumstances

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justinh:

aha! user error I think. log-bin was commented out, presumably by me at some point but 'log' was also still commented out so maybe mysql just defaults to binary anyway

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justinh:

or maybe not... all the bin logs in /var/log/mysql were last modified in 2007. pffff

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justinh:

anyway, /var is now cleaned up & I'm back to 50% free space

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andrboot:

rofl.

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hads:

Check you don't have old kernel versions installed too, they take up a suprising amount of space.

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justinh:

of all the reasons my mythtv system ever falls over for, it's _always_ the simplest of things

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clever:

*** glibc detected *** /media/mainlv/root/7.10//bin/mythtranscode: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0853c758 ***

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clever:

im not shure if i should blame mythtv or the hdd

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clever:

the hdd has caused things to segfault before

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andrboot:

@ clever check kernel log/dmesg

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sandeen_:

can I tell myth to ignore the commflag marks?

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sandeen_:

for a particular recording?

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sandeen_:

myth got it wrong, wife is upset ;)

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sandeen_:

oh, duh. foudn the menu

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iamlindoro:

clever: I think it's probably myth, I'm about 90% certain I've seen the same

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iamlindoro:

been meaning to track it down a bit more but it's been a busy week, was hoping to look at it this weekend

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clever:

i was going to blame the bad sectors in my swap:P

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iamlindoro:

could be, maybe unrelated. Just think I've seen the same (yesterday)

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iamlindoro:

have actually been having pretty consistent segfaults and failures with mythtranscode w/ QT4

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clever:

i also find it unlikely that 3 diff files would fail with the same general error

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clever:

and keep failing when retried

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clever:

the exact part of swap you use is random

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clever:

cant be the swap

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clever:

i'll check one of my pre qt4 transcode segfaults

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't help that it seems all/most of the mythtranscode bugs are owned by a guy who hasn't been around in two years :)

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clever:

i had a few shows which would cause it to segfault(not abort)

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clever:

one of them is still arround

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iamlindoro:

for anyone interested, looks like there's a little company doing a competitor to the HD-PVR, but network attached. Got an e-mail back from the guy, sounds like it will be released with open drivers and myth patches

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clever:

Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.

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clever:

#0 0x0806ed57 in AudioReencodeBuffer::AddSamples (this=0x8203d78,

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iamlindoro:

MJPEG2000 instead of h.264, but sounds like it will be a sweet little unit

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iamlindoro:

\o/

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cesman:

iamlindoro: got a link?!

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iamlindoro:

cesman: I think it's PVRcompanion.com, but don't hold me to that

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iamlindoro:

Be warned, sounds like development is proceeding slowly, but he says a source repos should be public in the next few weeks

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clever:

this core dump i have matches a old backtrace i posted

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clever:

before qt4

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iamlindoro:

one thing that might be interesting to folks like clever, apparently it runs embedded linux on an ARM processor and all the chip datasheets will be available, so you can probably hack it to do transcode jobs to its format

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clever:

nice:P

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cesman:

interesting!

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cesman:

iamlindoro: thanks for the info

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iamlindoro:

cesman: sure

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clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4143#comment:13

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clever:

iamlindoro: one of the bugs ive found since the qt4 upgrade

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clever:

the commflagger will broadcast an empty cutlist

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clever:

which the frontend(if playing that file) will abort() on

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clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5114 the patch there has fixed it perfectly

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Kevin`:

is there a way to view the signal level on a digital tuner?

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cesman:

F7

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Kevin`:

f7 from where

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cesman:

when watching TV

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cesman:

find keys.txt

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cesman:

if you have the source, it is in the root

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cesman:

if you're using a distro, check the docs

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cesman:

if using KnoppMyth http://ip.of.your.backend

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neztiti:

hi guys how i can detect the time of the pc from the bios???i mean from here

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wagnerrp:

hwclock --show

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neztiti:

wagnerrp: thank u man – done

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Tomasu:

I'm getting an error from mythbackend: VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy and really isnt busy, tvtime starts up just fine.. but mythtv wont.. if it helps I'm using the debian multimedia sid packages.

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justinh:

Tomasu: is mythbackend already running?

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justinh:

does the user mythbackend runs as (probably mythtv) have permission to access the capture device?

[07:34:07]

Tomasu:

it is running, I get that error from the mythbackend log, and it has permissions to access /dev/video0

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justinh:

stop the backend via the init script, then try it as the user you're generally logged in as (the one tvtime works with)

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justinh:

from a terminal ^^^ (assuming that user also has permission to write to the video storage dirs)

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Tomasu:

tried it as the mythtv user directly, same errors, and mythtv does have permissions to read/write to the recording/video dirs.

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justinh:

does tvtime work as the mythtv user?

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Tomasu:

yes

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sid3windr:

usually permission problems don't give device or resource busy

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sid3windr:

do they?

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Tomasu:

not normally I dont think.

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Tomasu:

but its hard to tell where exactly that error is comming from..

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justinh:

yeah usually it's 'access denied' or some such

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justinh:

try lsof /dev/video0 without mythbackend running

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Tomasu:

nothing.

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Tomasu:

maybe it means something, but its actually two separate messages: VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy and: VIDIOCMCAPTURE1: Device or resource busy

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Tomasu:

and its printed endlessly while a front end is trying to play tv.

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justinh:

Tomasu: just another stab in the dark here but are you sure there are no apps using /dev/video0 ? Because if there aren't any, I don't think anyone will be able to help here beyond pointing the finger of blame at mythtv or your tuner card drivers

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Tomasu:

I'm quite sure nothing else is using it, if tvtime works, myth aught to as well.

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Dibblah:

You just enjoy wild stabs in the dark, don't you? ;)

[08:45:50]

Dibblah:

Tomasu: AFAIK, this is a driver issue.

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Tomasu:

I just started writing a message to the list with a few more details, maybe they will help...

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Dibblah:

Myth opens the device twice – Once for tuning, once for capture.

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Dibblah:

Which is explicitly allowed by V4L...

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Tomasu:

is 2.6.25 known to be broken?

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Tomasu:

specifiically the bttv driver?

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Dibblah:

I believe it's an issue with certain drivers only.

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Dibblah:

Tomasu: Try it yourself.

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Tomasu:

how?

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Dibblah:

Start tvtime, then do a v4lctl on the device.

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Dibblah:

Assuming v4lctl exists these days.

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Tomasu:

looks like its a part of xawtv

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Typosu:

last I got was Dibblah assuming if v4lctl exists.. was there anything else?

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Dibblah:

Nope. I'm not a details guy. Well, not for free, anyway.

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Typosu:

well no errors from v4lctl while I have tvtime running.. except that tvtime goes to "no signal" if I try some channel numbers with v4lctl's "setchannel" or "setstation"

[09:01:51]

Typosu:

v4lctl can list all sorts of properties and whatnot, and I can retune the channel in tvtime no problem

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Typosu:

its interesting, running mythfrontend from the same machine as the backend, and it gets stuck in the watch tv screen, whereas on a remote frontend, it exits rather quickly.

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** justinh wonders if AMD 64 x2 cpus are any use **

[10:21:30]

webvictim:

any use for what?

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justinh:

computing, as opposed to using them as stands for small things

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fryfrog:

my FE is a 4200+ X2

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fryfrog:

does up to 720p, 1080p it fails on (haven't tried any 1080i)

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fryfrog:

this is all x264/h264 of course

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justinh:

eew skimpy cache

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fryfrog:

I (accidentally) have a 4400+ AM2 cpu :/

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justinh:

512KB per core as opposed to c2d with 2MB

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justinh:

then again, not sure how much that affects _real_ life

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fryfrog:

sure, c2d is way better than a 4200+ X2 939 no question

[10:24:34]

fryfrog:

but i had a 939 system and the cpu was like $40 to go from 3200+ -> 4200+ X2

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justinh:

TDP is similar, so theoretically no worse on batteries

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fryfrog:

if i were building a whole system, i'd probably go C2D unless the AMD system wasy just a *lot* cheaper

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justinh:

yeah I was AMD all the way til I got my C2D frontend

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justinh:

now I just find myself avoiding them & I wonder if I'm being entirely rational about it

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fryfrog:

no way, c2d is faster than amd right now

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fryfrog:

back in the p4 day, the amd64 was faster

[10:26:36]

fryfrog:

brand loyalty is for bitches, buying the best bang for your buck is where it is at :)

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justinh:

any x2 would blow my desktop machine away though :)

[10:26:42]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

well, so would any c2d then :)

[10:27:14]

fryfrog:

What I usually do is price out two "similar" systems, one amd and one intel (similiar performance, not price)

[10:27:22]

fryfrog:

and see which one gets me the most bang for the buck

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fryfrog:

it used to be easy, p4 was expensive *and* slower than amd

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justinh:

I can get a dell C2d 1.83Ghz laptop for £329 with standard ooptions, shitty intel graphics .. or this 64X2 system with nvidia GPU for £299

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fryfrog:

now c2d is reasonably priced and performs very well... amd is no slouch and even cheaper

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sid3windr:

i've always had an amd as desktop but my next pc will be a c2q

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justinh:

I'll see how the numbers compare on THG CPU charts

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fryfrog:

what sort of nvidia built in?

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fryfrog:

c2q not quite yet for me, c2d is enough for meh

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fryfrog:

though i c2q in my server would be the hotness :)

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justinh:

GeForce7000

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fryfrog:

ah, so nothing special

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justinh:

but then I won't really be needing any 3d gash

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fryfrog:

if you don't game on a laptop, you can probablyg et away with the cheapest, lowest in lappy you want

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justinh:

certainly no games, unless you count sudoku as a game :P

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fryfrog:

i mean, even vista would run reasonably well on a modern system

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justinh:

been looking for one with XP... it's farking silly now

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sid3windr:

fryfrog: my current pc is 5y old, I'd like to try and get the next one to be replaced at that age again ;)

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justinh:

I don't know vista & I don't _want_ to ever know it

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fryfrog:

my opinion on lappys is get something that is cheap, runs what you want (web browser, word processor?)

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justinh:

ableton (!)

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fryfrog:

they aren't ever as good as desktops, cost more for less... and aren't as flexible

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fryfrog:

so why blow a big ol' wad on some hot laptop that would cost half as much in a desktop :)

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justinh:

though my 2800XP with 1GB copes with everything I can chuck at it, and I don't think even the slowest budget lappy would be any slower

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fryfrog:

sid3windr: i tend to shoot for 3 years

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justinh:

fryfrog: for portability

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fryfrog:

yeah, i don't see how it could be any slower

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fryfrog:

yeah, sure portability is awesome

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fryfrog:

which is why i have a little 13" WS laptop

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justinh:

and yeah I considered something small & cart a TFT etc around but I'd like someting portable

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fryfrog:

but it has crap ati graphics, and i don't game on it

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justinh:

I'm sincerely NOT fussed about being able to run linux on it

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fryfrog:

it is perfect for what we use it for, carting around with us for GPS, web and word processing

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fryfrog:

uses one of those turion cpus too

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justinh:

so even a Geforce7000 series is too shite for gaming nowadays?

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fryfrog:

i'd consider throwing a dual core in it, if i could find one

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fryfrog:

justinh: of course it depends on the game and the settings you like and all that

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justinh:

last time I played a game on a PC, it was GTA VC at 800x600 :P

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fryfrog:

you'd probably get away with gaming on it, but it wouldn't blow you away or anything

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justinh:

consoles are for games. have been for ages now IMHO

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fryfrog:

Our new systems play games at very high settings and are very pretty, I'm impressed by them. Beat the pants off our old ones

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justinh:

costs a feckload of money to spec a PC high enough to equal a console, no doubt

[10:33:53]

fryfrog:

justinh: some games are better on the PC, i like FPS on pc and of course mmorpg

[10:34:08]

fryfrog:

yeah, prolly 2x more than a 360 for sure

[10:34:24]

fryfrog:

our C2D E8400 w/ 8800GT was ~$700 (USD)

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fryfrog:

i'm *really* impressed by it though, 2 cores is holey crap awesome :)

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justinh:

eew bugger that Acer with the X2 only has an 80GB HDD

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fryfrog:

lame :(

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justinh:

17" screen though

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fryfrog:

mine has 60G, plenty of room for me

[10:35:31]

fryfrog:

see, i like mini laptops

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fryfrog:

i couldn't use our laptop as a desktop

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fryfrog:

to small

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justinh:

2.5Kg still isn't what 200 vinyl records weigh though :)

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fryfrog:

but the macbook pro i have from work is pretty usable as an all the time thing

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justinh:

ah sod it. ableton works well in a 1280x800 window

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fryfrog:

battery life and being small, that'd be my 2 main concerns in a laptop

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justinh:

not arsed about battery life

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fryfrog:

2.5hrs from our laptop sucks :/

[10:36:56]

justinh:

I could live with that, easy

[10:37:19]

justinh:

even sitting in our garden in summer – don't get sun for that long lol

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justinh:

I think we've broken the dog. oops. all those long walks & the late drive home last night. heh

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tank-man:

checkout this mini laptop http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=30 . . . promoid=1051

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justinh:

no use whatsoever

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tank-man:

what do you mean no use?

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tank-man:

for games?

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justinh:

for anything vaguely serious

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justinh:

great for surfing around, remote shells, email etc though

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MasseR:

Well if it's remotely like msi wind, it has enough power for nearly anything "serious"

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Dagmar:

justinh: Have you seen what google has done this week?

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sid3windr:

google does stuff?

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Dagmar:

Yes, mainly they just "solve problems"

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justinh:

MasseR: serious, like er.. live music performance

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justinh:

like er.. video editing

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justinh:

but then I would never expect a pocket sized toy to be much use for either of those things :)

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MasseR:

justinh: Depends on what people consider "serious" :)

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jduggan:

its not aimed at hardcore users

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jduggan:

id get one

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jduggan:

useful for me to collect mail/view web and ssh etc, when im out and about

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jduggan:

i would expect anything else from it

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jduggan:

wouldnt*

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justinh:

hmmm a tk55 cpu isn't even twice as fast as my desktop

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Dagmar:

Darnit why does google have to be stingy with their dev tools

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justinh:

feckers, those ebuyer guys. £9.99 for next day (saturday) delivery on a laptop but if I want an extra 1GB RAM supplied separately it's an extra 7 quid

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jduggan:

sounds fair to me

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jduggan:

:\

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justinh:

£7 extra to deliver a stick of laptop ram? lol

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jduggan:

on a saturday, yea

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jduggan:

everybody wants something for nothing

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justinh:

but the laptop itself is only £9.99 delivered on a saturday

[12:52:27]

justinh:

weirdness

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justinh:

I'll save myself the hassle & just buy the ram locally

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justinh:

right, time to hit the shops & see if they can do a better deal

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sohocoke:

justinh which model was that?

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CaCtus491:

evening

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CaCtus491:

would anyone know where OSX would expect to find the mysql.txt file?

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IorGie:

hello

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jchaoul:

on the Athlon X2 5200+, with a 8600 GT... at the moment I'm using MythTV to watch 1080i HDTV... and mythfrontend is using *drummroll* 105% of the CPU

[14:09:01]

jchaoul:

:(((

[14:09:21]

Dagmar:

The video card isn't helping you any.

[14:09:32]

jchaoul:

?

[14:09:42]

jchaoul:

in XP, I can do it on a Athlon XP 2600+ comfortably

[14:09:53]

Dagmar:

That it's an 8600 is pretty much moot, since we don't get acelleration for that type of video

[14:10:12]

GreyFoxx:

That's still kinda high

[14:10:17]

Dagmar:

In XP, nVidia's drivers actually offload decoding the video to the video card.

[14:10:23]

IorGie:

anyone willing to help me configuring mythtv? Been trying for a day or two. Hardware works fine. tvtime gives pictures fine.

[14:10:33]

jchaoul:

GreyFoxx: what is the problem then?

[14:10:51]

jchaoul:

dagar: yeah, exactly... they don't in Linux

[14:10:51]

GreyFoxx:

dunno, but I'd run mythfreontend -v playback

[14:10:56]

GreyFoxx:

and log it of course

[14:11:05]

GreyFoxx:

see if its logging weird

[14:11:26]

jchaoul:

Dagmar: Why don't they do the same on Linux?

[14:11:34]

jchaoul:

Dagmar: Why would it work in XP and not in Linux? :(

[14:11:56]

GreyFoxx:

but I'me using a box with a x2 5200, and 2 cards , 8400 and 8600 and 1080 uses no more than 60–70% of 1 core

[14:11:59]

sid3windr:

complaints@nvidia.com ! :p

[14:12:15]

Dagmar:

Because the Linux version of the nVidia driver doesn't support it

[14:12:23]

GreyFoxx:

And I have all logging and debug symbols turned on

[14:12:34]

Dagmar:

It only does accelleration for MPEG through XvMC.

[14:12:35]

cskowronnek:

Because they don't care about alternative OS?

[14:12:38]

jchaoul:

and it did actually make a difference... sorta anyway.. well, on the 2600+, I first tried it a geforce2 mx... and it was rubbish (in Linux), then I changed to a uhh.. I think it was a 7600gt (the board's only got AGP, so I was kinda limited)... and it smoothed things out a bit (in Linux once again)... but the geforce2 mx actually worked ok in Windows... it's kinda crazy

[14:13:15]

cskowronnek:

on XP I watch 1080p with an 2.0 GHz Sempron with 50% CPU load

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GreyFoxx:

the joys of avendor providing drivers that use the capabilities of the hardware :)

[14:13:18]

jchaoul:

GreyFoxx: Very wierd then!

[14:13:45]

** GreyFoxx goes and gets ready for a day out **

[14:15:38]

jchaoul:

GreyFoxx: yeah, I know... I'm not familiar enough with driver design to know why nvidia can't seem to do gpu video processing on Linux :/

[14:18:01]

jduggan:

they can do it, they just dont

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jduggan:

;)

[14:21:50]

jchaoul:

why?

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Dagmar:

Ask nVidia.

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cskowronnek:

maybe they have a secret agreement with MS so you have to use Windows if you want to have full GPU features

[14:23:34]

Tomasu:

thier corperate customers (ie: movie makers) don't ask for it?

[14:23:53]

Tomasu:

I dont think they care the least for the normal consumer on linux.

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GreyFoxx:

To be fair, they have provided the best option to linux users for years wsith regular driver updates and bug fixes

[14:28:27]

GreyFoxx:

they just don't dedicate the resources and manpower to it that they do the windows end

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Tomasu:

till ATI started doing same day driver leases. nvidia wont release drivers till a major distro makes a stable release

[14:29:03]

GreyFoxx:

Now if they openned up the specs and let the OS community at it, then they gain without the effort

[14:29:09]

Tomasu:

not to mention working opensource ati drivers

[14:29:32]

GreyFoxx:

ATI/AMD have helped ati users a lot recently with the docs and recent driver releases

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GreyFoxx:

so nvidia while having been king for a while under Linux will need to change to keep up before they are passed and left behind

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jchaoul:

GreyFoxx: supposedly ati didn't release any video acceleration docs

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jchaoul:

if no one on linux ever installs another nvidia driver no one at nvidia is gonna miss any meals

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jchaoul:

example I have an nvidia chip in my mac, it works great, I have an nvidia chip in my pc, it works great too, only one ever giving me problems islinux

[14:42:50]

jchaoul:

and I don't blame nvidia for that but the linux community

[14:44:49]

quicksilver:

and why, exactly, would you blame the linux community for that?

[14:45:38]

jchaoul:

it's open source in general being a bit of a pain in the ass

[14:45:44]

jchaoul:

due to patents/agreements/whatever

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quicksilver:

isn't that a bit like saying "the sea is a pain in the arse, due to wet/saltiness/whatever"

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quicksilver:

sure, the linux community likes source code. If that pisses you off then you're free to choose something else.

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justinh:

plenty of people (me included) don't see binary drivers as the root of all evil – personally I see them more as a necessary evil. Of course, in the fluffy 'ideal' OSS world, everything would be free Free FREE _FREE_ but most of us live in the real world ;)

[14:59:09]

jchaoul:

the concept works well with software, I do agree... it's hardware where that are issues, I mean.. at present, ATI and Nvidia pretty much have it all locked up, they know it... and I mean, not fully supporting Linux isn't going to stop people from buying their video cards

[14:59:30]

justinh:

nobody can really blame a manufacturer for making drivers to support the dominant OS

[14:59:47]

justinh:

and nobody can really blame anybody for not choosing linux over windows either

[15:00:19]

justinh:

and what's really easy for people to forget is that not everything nvidia & ati et al sell is their own IP

[15:00:48]

justinh:

maybe they don't have a say in everything in the equation

[15:00:48]

clever:

i have a cyruis logic video chip in 1 of my laptops:P

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clever:

it worked fine in Xorg

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trekdanne:

I get "could not reset tty" and then lircd terminates. I'm using lirc 0.8.3 with pixelview driver and a realmagic configuration

[15:02:20]

justinh:

the big problem is, some companies spend major cash in developing tech, and they want to see a return on their investment (otherwise, why fecking bother in the 1st place?) – hence all the protectionism. Capitalism doesn't always sit well with open source methodologies

[15:02:47]

Dibblah:

Not just that.

[15:02:52]

clever:

justinh: ive seen a website for an open source video card

[15:02:58]

clever:

fully public

[15:03:04]

clever:

hardware and software

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Dibblah:

To get a product out the door, they also license IP and put it in the driver.

[15:03:14]

Dibblah:

clever: No, you haven't.

[15:03:27]

clever:

i'll find the bookmark:P

[15:03:40]

Dibblah:

You've seen a big FPGA attached to a PCI bus and a VGA connector.

[15:03:44]

Dibblah:

Essentially.

[15:03:55]

clever:

lol

[15:04:03]

Dibblah:

It's not a video card – It's a development platform for a video card.

[15:04:12]

clever:

ahhh yes

[15:04:15]

clever:

what was the site?

[15:04:17]

quicksilver:

maybe it will succeed; I hope it does.

[15:04:25]

justinh:

it's not even vaporware yet

[15:04:28]

quicksilver:

but it's not really in the same line of business as ati/nvidia.

[15:04:43]

Tomasu:

I need to get a new tuner or two.. and I've had slight bad luck with wintv hardware, and the mythtv wiki seems to talk alot about problems with the wintv pvr cards... whats a GOOD card with mpeg encoding?

[15:04:48]

Dibblah:

quicksilver: Maybe. But the current plans last time I looked were very, very minimal.

[15:05:00]

quicksilver:

I'd pay slightly over the odds for a working open graphics card, and a few other people woudl I expect.

[15:05:06]

quicksilver:

that's not a sustainable business model :)

[15:05:12]

clever:

nvm i found it http://wiki.opengraphics.org./tiki-index.php

[15:05:14]

quicksilver:

but, I hope I'm wrong. I hope it works.

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justinh:

trekdanne: I suspect lirc is configured to use a serial port which the kernel is already hanging onto. the log probably says something about looking at the setserial command you impatient **DE*(RWE&RYFFJLG

[15:06:26]

clever:

i also got that warning

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justinh:

anyhow, one day the algorithms to accelerate video playback might well become open – _but_ there's still MPEG's cut to consider

[15:07:14]

justinh:

to hell with ATI & NVidia having it all sewn up – the video compression industry has it made

[15:07:24]

clever:

ive had an idea before to just stick an fpga on the pci bus, with the ability to flash it in the system over pci

[15:07:50]

clever:

so you could drop an mpeg encoding core in when you need it

[15:07:50]

clever:

to get faster perforance

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justinh:

clever: yeah, but if it does anything like help decode mpeg, pay your dues or be sued to damnation

[15:08:10]

clever:

lol

[15:08:13]

Dibblah:

From the OGD site: "Unfortunately, we are not able to share some parts of the logic and driver we used to give the presentation"

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clever:

xvmc can allready hardware decode mpeg

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Dibblah:

So, they have a board, it works as a graphics card.... But they don't have open sourceable drivers.

[15:08:42]

justinh:

clever: only mpeg2, and what little it does is pretty lame compared to what you get in windows

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Tomasu:

if the drivers accelerate xvmc.

[15:08:49]

Tomasu:

IF

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clever:

justinh: yeah i loose colors and it bearly causes a drop in cpu usage

[15:09:18]

Tomasu:

and then its only a partial acceleration, just idct and motion compensation

[15:09:26]

clever:

though pause doesnt cause a drop in cpu usage either so it could be leaking cpu power all over the place

[15:09:59]

Dibblah:

Oooh! messy when that happens.

[15:10:37]

justinh:

I'd have said that using dedicated chips (license fee included) on cards or dedicated boxes would be the answer, but I've come to enjoy having a quality OSD & trick playback features

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justinh:

and again, just try getting a chip maker to agree to an open source driver :P

[15:11:35]

clever:

what if the company fell under 20 years ago:P

[15:11:41]

clever:

nobody to complain

[15:12:02]

clever:

use an array of 6502's for your video!

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Tomasu:

or 8 pin PICs or AVRs ;)

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clever:

but it probly wont get much 3d power

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clever:

enless you make a way to stack a layer of them on as co-processors

[15:14:36]

clever:

which could get fun

[15:14:48]

clever:

hotplug a cube of 200 co-processors when you start a game

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Tomasu:

just chain them on i2c or spi ;D

[15:15:05]

justinh:

rofl

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Dibblah:

Tomasu: Bloat! The smallest PICs are 6 pins ;)

[15:15:12]

Tomasu:

haha

[15:15:13]

clever:

that wont help the performance

[15:15:19]

justinh:

yeah a 200khz bus would be fast enough, surely? ;-)

[15:15:29]

Tomasu:

Dibblah: I couldnt remember, to be honest, I thought 8 was too small for a moment. :o

[15:15:35]

clever:

depends on how many bits your using

[15:15:46]

clever:

but i have seen an avr outputing a valid vga signal by itself before

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Tomasu:

depends on how you split the workload :)

[15:15:54]

clever:

it simply did a few test paterns

[15:16:08]

clever:

it was just a box with a 9v batery for testing monitors

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Tomasu:

yeah, a single avr can be a simple vga processor no problem

[15:16:20]

Tomasu:

I've seen one used to turn vga to composite iirc

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justinh:

framebuffer on a micro

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clever:

but it couldnt even get 640x480 because of the freq needs

[15:16:35]

justinh:

infact, not even that!

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clever:

ive talked to a person who is working on a avr device to overlay text on video

[15:17:07]

clever:

so you can get gps on the video feed from a remote control air plane

[15:17:28]

justinh:

anyway, CPU power is now so cheap you shouldn't have to concern yourself much with GPU accelerated playback of video. Unless you're a total cheapskate

[15:17:36]

Tomasu:

that would be interesting, youd only have to stream the video through it while overlaying.. with non translucent text at least.

[15:17:38]

Dibblah:

clever: Yes it could. http://www.serasidis.gr/circuits/AVR_VGA/avr_vga.htm

[15:17:52]

Tomasu:

even with translucent...

[15:18:02]

justinh:

Tomasu: a simple genlock & video summer is all you need, even for translucency

[15:18:10]

Tomasu:

yah. call me tired

[15:18:12]

clever:

justinh: yeah you could just shove a 2nd c2d into the video board

[15:18:14]

justinh:

no frickin need to digitise _anything_

[15:18:17]

clever:

if it was designed to accept that

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Tomasu:

Dibblah: thats not exactly video though?

[15:18:46]

justinh:

hell you can buy single board computers that plug into PCI slots, even now

[15:20:09]

Tomasu:

you can buy SoC chips that turn older entire computers into a single chip. including old pentium ibm clones...

[15:20:24]

justinh:

yup

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clever:

ive also seen an entire NES system on a chip

[15:20:43]

Tomasu:

I like all the hacks with nes/snes's

[15:20:52]

justinh:

whee, ordering my lappy. finally entering the 21st century – though maybe not quite since I don't yet have a wireless router :P

[15:20:58]

clever:

but the problem there is you cant even upgrade te vidoo card

[15:21:01]

clever:

worse then a laptop

[15:21:23]

Tomasu:

one major moder likes to use the nes SoC chip for putting NESes in really small things with lcd screens

[15:23:15]

clever:

ive seen them shove it into a handheld sega

[15:23:20]

Tomasu:

I do love how mythbackend (with a pvr 250) is using like 1% cpu on my backend

[15:23:25]

clever:

just needed an extra board to handle the lcd panel

[15:23:42]

clever:

Tomasu: yes hardware encoding is nice

[15:23:51]

clever:

i lived with a frame grabber for months

[15:24:25]

Tomasu:

its using less than I anticipated, but then, I have a rather much faster "backend" than I used to (currently my desktop is my backend after some hardware failures, Q6600 ftw)

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Tomasu:

and my old combined fe/be unit is now just a front end, AND server...

[15:25:00]

Tomasu:

gah

[15:25:55]

Tomasu:

thankfully though the frontend is only using about 30% while doing live tv :)

[15:26:03]

Tomasu:

leaves cpu for vmware...

[15:26:09]

clever:

my frontend takes 70–80% cpu

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Tomasu:

whats your frontend? mine is a simple Athlon XP 2.4~ ghz, with a radeon 9600xt, using the gl renderer.

[15:27:34]

clever:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz

[15:27:40]

clever:

its also the master backend

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Tomasu:

itd use 70%~ cpu if I was still using my mini-itx...

[15:27:56]

clever:

and lately lirc has been droping digits

[15:28:07]

clever:

i keep getting channel 1 or 4

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Tomasu:

:(

[15:28:25]

clever:

so far ive notice and addjusted the recording rules

[15:28:30]

clever:

the show airs 4–5 times/day

[15:28:39]

clever:

but the program data doesnt lable the repeats

[15:28:56]

clever:

and record 1/day is useless because of the time shift

[15:29:10]

clever:

if it catches yesterdays repeat at 1am

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clever:

it wont get the new one at noob

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Tomasu:

odd. your shows arent getting proper descriptions and names in the tv listings?

[15:30:18]

Tomasu:

it normally checks against the short name, some flags and the long text description...

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Tomasu:

at least it does for me

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clever:

this 1 show lacks a subtitle&describition

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clever:

daily plannet

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Tomasu:

yeah, I sometimes see a showing of some random show lack a description...

[15:31:13]

Tomasu:

that's annoying :(

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clever:

i watched it closely

[15:31:27]

clever:

and just set it to record at 8pm daily

[15:31:33]

clever:

but the problem is when that screws up

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clever:

i forgot when it repeats

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Tomasu:

every 4–5 hours?

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clever:

so i just set it to record all and delete the dups

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Tomasu:

yeah, I had to deal with a similar problem now that I recall...

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clever:

brb

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clever:

back

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Tomasu:

anyone know if the MSI TV Anywhere Plus actually has mpeg hardware? it seems to say it does.. but its like $40, half the price of a wintv card with hardware mpeg

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Tomasu:

and it says it does mpeg4

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stoth:

it's probably bs

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Tomasu:

stoth: which is why I ask.. I'm skeptical..

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wagnerrp:

it says it has support for mpeg1, 2, and 4 encoding

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wagnerrp:

theres no way they would put chips for all of that on board

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Tomasu:

wagnerrp: people make a single chip that does all 3

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wagnerrp:

if it were in hardware, they would just pick one and go with it

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Tomasu:

most mpeg2 chips do mpeg1 and 2

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selmanj:

anyone know if apple's app store is GPL-compatible?

[16:11:28]

** selmanj would love to see mythfrontend on an iphone **

[16:12:39]

selmanj:

although im sure the bandwidth couldn't handle streaming though.... mhmm

[16:14:21]

wagnerrp:

couldnt handle streaming of... what?

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selmanj:

livetv

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selmanj:

well, maybe it could if you were on an 802.11g, and it was just sdtv

[16:14:54]

selmanj:

and you had good reception

[16:15:05]

selmanj:

my experience so far though is the reception is not that great (at least on the itouch)

[16:15:22]

wagnerrp:

well someone did write a frontend for the iphone, and it seems to work fairly well

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selmanj:

really? is this in installer.app ?

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wagnerrp:

although it relied on transcoded recordings

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wagnerrp:

rather than on-the-fly recompression

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selmanj:

does the myth-protocol support that?

[16:16:48]

selmanj:

ie, instructing the backend to say "

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtvnews.com/2008/04/07/watching-myt . . . -the-iphone/

[16:17:00]

selmanj:

"oh hey if you could add one more transcoding layer here and reduce the bitstream really low that'd be great"

[16:17:35]

selmanj:

that's awesome

[16:17:41]

wagnerrp:

mythweb is set up to do on-demand recompression through ffmpeg, but can not handle live tv either

[16:18:02]

wagnerrp:

it will recompress to a flash video to view on the website

[16:18:22]

selmanj:

yeah, no seeking though :(

[16:20:15]

wagnerrp:

is there an unlimited data plan for the iphone?

[16:20:46]

selmanj:

i think so, but its expensive

[16:20:52]

selmanj:

something like $30 a month in the US ?

[16:21:00]

wagnerrp:

because i cant imagine you would want to use this with anything less

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Tomasu:

2x pvr150? or 1x pvr500?

[16:21:12]

wagnerrp:

whats the price?

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** selmanj has an itouch, which just uses wireless **

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Tomasu:

canada gets 6G/mo for $30 ::)

[16:21:44]

wagnerrp:

id probably spend an extra $20 to have one card instead of two

[16:21:46]

selmanj:

well, the phone itself isn't that expensive but the wireelss plan ends up really expensive

[16:21:56]

** selmanj looks up the price **

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wagnerrp:

i meant to Tomasu

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Tomasu:

wagnerrp: yeah, the price difference is slim.

[16:22:33]

Tomasu:

not even $20

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selmanj:

ahh

[16:23:40]

wagnerrp:

however, if you buy a 'PVR-150', youre more likely to actually get a HVR-1600 in a PVR-150 box

[16:23:59]

wagnerrp:

i know thats been going on for almost a year now

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Tomasu:

still?

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wagnerrp:

i actually thought they stopped making the 150s

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Tomasu:

all forms? one site im looking at has several 150 skus.

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Tomasu:

some are MCE some arent...

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Tomasu:

and most are OEM

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wagnerrp:

ah, well i know that would happen 6–8 months ago

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wagnerrp:

i figured it wasnt likely that they would go back to 150s

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i half though they werent allowed to sell 150s in the US anymore

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wagnerrp:

digital switch over and everything

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Tomasu:

you can sell them just fine, but you probably need to have a sticker on the box or a pamflet init mentioning the switch over

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** sid3windr has a brandnew 150, luckily :) **

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Tomasu:

hmm, a (not so) local store has a 500 for like $20 cheaper than the two sites I normally buy from..

[16:28:49]

Tomasu:

its just such a pain to get there

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wagnerrp:

well considering the 1600 now works under linux, i dont know why you would rather end up with a 150 than a 1600

[16:29:15]

Tomasu:

I live in canada. Shaw doesnt do Clear QAM, and theres no local ATSC transmissions.

[16:29:54]

Tomasu:

and I dont have a digital stb, and shaw really doesnt like stbs that have firewire enabled...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, youve got another three years up there

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Tomasu:

can the 1600 do two analog captures?

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Tomasu:

or one analog and one digital like most others?

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wagnerrp:

no, one on each, simultaneously

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Tomasu:

meh

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wagnerrp:

its a dual tuner, while most digital/analog cards are hybrid tuners

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Tomasu:

Im not sure the channels will even really bother with the switchover OTA, almost noone watches tv if they dont have cable.

[16:31:53]

Tomasu:

reception is rather crappy too

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kslater:

wagnerrp – didn't you suggest a few HTPC cases for me yesterday?

[16:33:02]

Tomasu:

and then most of the stuff I want to record is all on cable channels anyhow :(

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wagnerrp:

antec nsk2480, thermaltake bach, assorted silverstone

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Tomasu:

local channels just rebroadcast lame us crap

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kslater:

found one that might work – NZXT Duet – not terrible looking and under $70

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wagnerrp:

those are probably the cheapest worthwhile HTPC cases

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Tomasu:

anyone think $20–40 savings is worth spending 4~ hours on the bus?

[16:35:04]

wagnerrp:

no

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Tomasu:

yeah, didnt think so.

[16:35:26]

kslater:

I'd think your time was worth more than $10 / hr

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kslater:

or $5 even

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MartinCleaver:

mkrufky: you there?

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Tomasu:

$140 pvr500 at a local store, vs $150–160+shipping online...

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mkrufky:

MartinCleaver: not really

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MartinCleaver:

mkrufky: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1800 says: Analog support for the WinTV-HVR-1800 (which is currently contingent upon the addition of such to the CX23385/7 driver) will be added in the near future

[16:37:32]

mkrufky:

slick, i answered you in #v4l

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MartinCleaver:

I know

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MartinCleaver:

you left

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mkrufky:

its supported

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mkrufky:

go fix the wiki

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mkrufky:

you dont need to know how to program c to fix a wiki

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wagnerrp:

kslater: ive never heard of NZXT, and im usually wary of off brand cases

[16:38:06]

mkrufky:

but you DO need to if you want to fix a driver

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wagnerrp:

but it seems to be decently built

[16:38:12]

mkrufky:

i'll fix the drivers, you fix the wiki ;-)

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MartinCleaver:

Is there an archive for this channel?

[16:38:22]

wagnerrp:

and $70 should be enough that you dont get a piece of shit

[16:38:32]

MartinCleaver:

I was "discussing" this with iamlindoro last night

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mkrufky:

the mythlogbot IM that you closed points to the log archive

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wagnerrp:

however there is one 120mm LED fan, that you will probably want to replace

[16:39:06]

MartinCleaver:

who was adamant that I don't fix the wiki

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MartinCleaver:

I tried to alter it

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MartinCleaver:

"(08:28:09 PM) iamlindoro: I AM NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU. LEAVE THE WIKI ALONE. IF YOU PUT INFO IN THERE ABOUT IT WORKING UNTIL YOU HAVE IT WORKING YOURSELF, I WILL JUST REVERT IT"

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MartinCleaver:

So, would you like me to fix the wiki?

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** MartinCleaver doesn't mind, really **

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mkrufky:

omg

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mkrufky:

i want to say something mean about iamlindoro right now, but i cant think of anything

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kslater:

wagnerrp – I'm going to have another look thru the cases, if another $30 makes my wife happier in the end, it would be worth spending the extra to get something better looking

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kslater:

I don't intend to replace this case for a long time

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mkrufky:

MartinCleaver: anyway, iamlindoro is correct ... YOU shouldnt say it works in the wiki if you cant make it work

[16:42:40]

mkrufky:

but it works

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mkrufky:

and the wiki is wrong

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MartinCleaver:

I pointed out that the wiki really ought to reflect something about it being difficult, if it is, but that there is information for those wanting to try

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mkrufky:

and i am going to lunch now

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MartinCleaver:

ok

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mkrufky:

its nto difficult

[16:43:01]

mkrufky:

its not difficult

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mkrufky:

it JustWorks

[16:43:08]

mkrufky:

but you're doing somethign wrong

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mkrufky:

i can help you later

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mkrufky:

gotta run

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MartinCleaver:

not for me it doesn't

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MartinCleaver:

ok

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MartinCleaver:

let's try Tues

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** MartinCleaver is going to the cottage this afternoon **

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MartinCleaver:

thanks mkrufky-lunch

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MartinCleaver_:

For the record, in my opinion it is fine to say that "experts say it works

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MartinCleaver_:

" or such and such

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mkrufky-lunch:

MartinCleaver_: !

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mkrufky-lunch:

im back now

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mkrufky:

MartinCleaver_: in mythtv-setup, turn on "OPEN DVB DEVICE ON DEMAND"

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mkrufky:

then (believe it or not) analog encode will work

[17:54:19]

mkrufky:

this is a bug in the driver

[17:54:22]

mkrufky:

the fix is here

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mkrufky:

http://linuxtv.org/hg/~mkrufky/cx23885-merged/

[17:54:35]

iamlindoro_:

heh, he's gone

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mkrufky:

screw him

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mkrufky:

he'll see it in the channel logs

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mkrufky:

(not)

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mkrufky:

he is here, actually... as MartinCleaver_

[17:55:01]

iamlindoro_:

ah

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mkrufky:

anyway, a bug in the driver prevents the ATSC/QAM from working concurrently with the mpeg encoder

[17:55:54]

mkrufky:

stoth fixed the bug in his devel tree, i merged that fix along with some other patches into my link above

[17:55:55]

iamlindoro_:

It's Hauppauge's most single dual tuner :)

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mkrufky:

i do not know when that will go to mainline

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mkrufky:

most single dual tuner?

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mkrufky:

...

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mkrufky:

i guess they ARE available

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iamlindoro_:

if you can only use one tuner on your dual tuner card at a time, then it's a HVR-1600 :)

[17:56:52]

mkrufky:

and if you REALLY want to marry one, you can, iamlindoro

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mkrufky:

thats not truw

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mkrufky:

hvr1600 lets you use both at once

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mkrufky:

and so does hvr1800

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iamlindoro_:

aw geez

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mkrufky:

just a bug in the driver

[17:57:37]

iamlindoro_:

I knowwwwwwwww

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iamlindoro_:

take a joke, sheesh

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mkrufky:

i dont get it

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iamlindoro_:

never mind

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iamlindoro_:

If it takes a flow chart then it must not be funny

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justinh:

oh WTF? I selected Saturday delivery on my laptop but it's not coming til saturday. fuck

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abqjp:

Saturday is better than saturday?

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

Monday. not coming til monday lol.

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justinh:

just woke up

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abqjp:

Aren't you in the UK? You have some strange sleep habits ;-)

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justinh:

heh. got home very early this morning after a long drive

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justinh:

no explanation about why the delivery has been bumped til monday. won't be using ebuyer again

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justinh:

won't be recommending em either

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justinh:

sod it I'll write a letter of complaint already

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justinh:

wonder what it takes to find a clued-up online merchant these days

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jduggan:

ive never had a problem with dabs

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jduggan:

all others are so-so, you only really get a decent service when you open up a trade account and start buying into the thousands per month from them

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jduggan:

scan is a fine example... so many people say theyre shit, but we use them trade, put through maybe 5–10k/month and never had a problem

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justinh:

yeah of course – they're not stupid

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justinh:

they can afford to lose Mr 'just nipping down to scan to buy something cheap'

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jduggan:

hehe

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jduggan:

true

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justinh:

or rather, they THINK they can

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justinh:

well, on the plus side with ebuyer I've been billed for 'next working day'. I'm not sure it's worth complaining – what will they do? send me something I don't want, delivered via shittylink while I'm out so I'd have to drive all the way to trafford park? pfff

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justinh:

pisses me off though, when you select X on the website you really expect to be given X – or at least a damn good reason why not

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jduggan:

shittylink? aaah, shittystink we call 'em

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jduggan:

unfortunately theyre scans courier of choice

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justinh:

unfortunately they're a lot of online retailers' courier of choice

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PatrickDK:

I thought when you select X you actually get windows

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justinh:

is that another joke you need a flowchart to understand?

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jduggan:

haha

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jduggan:

yes

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KjetilK:

after I upgraded to 0.21 and Ubuntu 8.04, I have some problems with my sound

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KjetilK:

they work OK, though I have to turn it all up to top to get something that can be called "loud", and I know they can go much higher

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iamlindoro_:

#ubuntu-mythtv, but you should look at your settings in alsamixer

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KjetilK:

I also send the center speaker signal using a splitter to the loudspeakers on the TV

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro_, yeah, I've done that

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KjetilK:

but yeah, I'll head over there

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KjetilK:

(though I suspect it is not a ubuntu-specific problem)

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justinh:

I suspect it's a problem with the chair-computer interface

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iamlindoro_:

specifically the conduit between the two

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iamlindoro_:

?

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KjetilK:

hehe

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KjetilK:

might be

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KjetilK:

but it worked before I did the upgrade

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KjetilK:

it seems like something in 0.21 is actually seeing the difference between music, which is sends to left and right speakers, and dialog, which it sends to the center speaker

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KjetilK:

even though the recordings are just stereo

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KjetilK:

which is a neat feature, of course, but the volume of the center is far too low right now, and I have not found a way to adjust it

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justinh:

it always works before the upgrade

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KjetilK:

that's the nature of things

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KjetilK:

(but OTOH, there are a few things that didn't work before the upgrade, but does now)

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** KjetilK is happy with his new Terratec Cinergy HD DVB-C card **

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KjetilK:

alsamixer says that my Center volume is at 100

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** justinh mutters something about a new setting in 0.21. something to do with max number of audio channels **

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justinh:

of course, the settings page where audio is configured would be the _last_ place any sane person would look if they had audio problems...

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iamlindoro_:

blasphemy!

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justinh:

and no, I don't know why the default setting isn't a max of 2 channels either

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iamlindoro_:

MOAR CHANLS

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SHADOW_XX:

hey iamlindoro_

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SHADOW__X:

copy and paste?

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KjetilK:

SHADOW__X: I was having sound problems, and didn't even check myth's config, just alsamixer command line stuff... :-)

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok

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