Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, July 9th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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gbee:

Dagmar: he's talking about the spawned preview generating processes – no-one would notice those crashing

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clever:

i havent looked at other systems that close so i dont know

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Dagmar:

clever: Seriously, try building atop a _stable_ distribution

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clever:

yep

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clever:

im using ubuntu 7.10

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Dagmar:

Then shoot that machine

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gbee:

it's entirely possible that QT4 or similar broke something there and due to the way it works it would be easy to overlook

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Dagmar:

Well, he's an idiot for expecting the trunk/qt4 code to be stable

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gbee:

clever: submit a backtrace for those, I'd be willing to at least take a look at it

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clever:

and ive allready made several patches to fix some of my bugs

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clever:

and submited them

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clever:

gbee: still loading the corefile from the preview generator

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clever:

i have the qt4 debug package installed so gdb takes 300mb of ram

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gbee:

Dagmar: maybe, but lets just calm down a bit and give him the benefit of the doubt for now

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Dagmar:

I'm quite calm.

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clever:

by starting such a massive gdb

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clever:

i caused the whole system to lag enough

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clever:

that i triggered the upnp bug without even trying:P

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clever:

bufferedsocketdevice.cpp:414 WaitForMore

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clever:

bufferedsocketdevice.cpp:418 WaitForMore

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clever:

httprequest.cpp:1262 ReadBlock

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clever:

bufferedsocketdevice.cpp:378 WaitForMore

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clever:

bufferedsocketdevice.cpp:386 WaitForMore

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GreyFoxx:

Was that during a preview generation?

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clever:

i was loading the coredump of the preview generator

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GreyFoxx:

k

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clever:

and the load from that caused the upnp code to crash

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GreyFoxx:

Cause it would do the standard "search for backends" upnp broadcast, even for the preview generator

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GreyFoxx:

that preview stuff really needs to be redone

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clever:

Core was generated by `/media/mainlv/root/7.10//bin/mythbackend --generate-preview 0x0@184s --chanid 1'.

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GreyFoxx:

If you have a bull backtrace then submit it as a ticket

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GreyFoxx:

err full

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clever:

and the master is now stuck spewing the same set of lines over and over

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clever:

brb phone

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clever:

wrong number

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: same bug that was triggered by mythwebs repeated calls to the MythXML preview request just before 0.21 was released, it's not the preview generator itself but some problem in bufferedsocketdevice

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clever:

gbee: yes thats where i tracked the problem down to

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Yeah, but the preview generator should be simplified

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clever:

bufferedsocketdevice.cpp is the problem right now

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GreyFoxx:

it doesn't need to be a full backend doing everything a backend everytime it starts :)

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clever:

i'll pastebin my changes to it so the line numbers match up

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gbee:

that never did get fixed, but between the xris and I we managed to reduce the number of requests coming from mythweb which just meant the bug wasn't such a big issue

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: two different bugs here, the crash is unconnected to the 100% cpu issue, the just both coincidently involve previews in some way

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gbee:

but yes, the spawned preview generator stuff is a little nasty

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clever:

http://pastebin.ca/1066059 is my patch to bufferedsocketdevice.cpp which is prodicing the output http://pastebin.ca/1066060 now that upnp has crashed

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clever:

without that patch the bug causes no output at all

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gbee:

clever: stick it all in a ticket, this isn't going to get resolved tonight and I'm off to bed

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kb1978:

Anyone experiencing problems with the zap2xml perl script today?

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GreyFoxx:

You might hit a bigger audience in the -users list. Not many people seem to use that

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kb1978:

Thanks, I will check there.

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clever:

gbee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5529

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wh0dat:

how do I get a custom transcoder I created to appear in the selection list when doing a manual transcode?

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Dagmar:

You don't get to make custom transcoders.

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wh0dat:

?

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wh0dat:

I just added one under recording profiles called 'Lossless'

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clever:

i tried the same but cant select it

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clever:

i just changed the 'high quality' profile to be lossless

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wh0dat:

meh

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clever:

'medium quality' is now the default transcode on my systems

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wh0dat:

so then why do we have the ability to add new ones

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Dagmar:

I'll repeat again

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Dagmar:

You don't get to make custom ones

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Dagmar:

You can *try*, but they will never appear.

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clever:

i can pick those 'custom' ones in the recording rule i beleive

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clever:

for automatic transcoding

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Dagmar:

the phrase "painted into a corner" is entirely appropriate as to why

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clever:

but automatic lossless is useless:P

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Dagmar:

clever: And yet, that is entirely different from what he's talking about

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

thats the only place ive seen where i can pick the custom profiles

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Dagmar:

wh0dat: Pretty much you get to modify High/Medium/Low Quality

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wh0dat:

is that a bug or a feature

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Dagmar:

They're called for by those *names* exactly, unfortunately.

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Dagmar:

So, anything you change isn't going to work right. :/

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victor__:

does anyone know why I get 0% signal and no lock on MythTV?

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Dagmar:

victor: Could be a lot of reasons, not having an antenna comes to mind as likely

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victor__:

i do have an antenna, and all the drivers and firmware loaded onto Ubuntu Gutsy

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wh0dat:

victor: you actually thought an answer could be provided for such a broad question? lol

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victor__:

i have a Kworld ATSC 120 Tuner

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victor__:

however, mythTV gives me no signal at all

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Dagmar:

MythTV isn't giving you signal

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Dagmar:

TV stations do

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victor__:

the signal cannot be detected by MythTV

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Dagmar:

So, why don't you look at the system log and see if any errors occurred when the modules were being loaded

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victor__:

i see this message on the system log "Calling XC2028/3028 callback"

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xanderp:

anyone know if there are any plugins that will let me watch my mythtv content on a media center pc and or visa-versa? I have a vista ultimate machine hooked up to a projector (just because) and the rest of the house uses mythboxes. I'd like to be able to access the content from each of those via the other. Anyone seen anything like that around?

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phunyguy:

isnt there a port to windows for mythfrontend?

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JohnMahowald:

Isn't it outdated?

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xanderp:

every time i've looked at that it's pretty buggy. I'd like to keep the wife inside of media center on the vista box as it increases the WAF.

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phunyguy:

hmm dunno

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xanderp:

she doesn't like switching between the dvd and the vcr, so that tells you something.

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phunyguy:

having a VCR tells me something ;)

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xanderp:

I had hoped that there was a 'mythtv<=>mediacenter' inbetween interface that would make each see the other as 'one of the family'

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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phunyguy:

fraid now

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phunyguy:

not*

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xanderp:

yeah, she won't let me get just a dvd player, has to keep those tapes!

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phunyguy:

best i can tell you...

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phunyguy:

samba share with all the recorded media

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xanderp:

I'm thankful I don't have any 8-tracks or record players around!

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phunyguy:

map to that in media center

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xanderp:

I have that, but you don't get any program info, just like 2398237498998.mpg type of stuff (the date/channel/timestamp name)

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xanderp:

I tried a plugin that would present the mythtv database as a namespace for the share, but didn't get that working.

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xanderp:

i forget even what that was called... it remapped the file names to their program names.

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xanderp:

(virtually)

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victor__:

can anyone interpret this dmesg output: cx88[0]: Calling XC2028/3028 callback this is for my Tv Tuner

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GreyFoxx:

xander: myth has a script to do that

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GreyFoxx:

mythrename.pl

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GreyFoxx:

will make either symlinks or actually rename the files and update the DB

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GreyFoxx:

It's in the source in the contrib directory

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xanderp:

GreyFoxx: I found that one, wasn't sure about it though. I think I can share a different directory, create sym-links there with the human readable names for the mediacenter to play?

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GreyFoxx:

sure can, or just rename the files with mythrename and share the actualy recordings dir

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xanderp:

if I do that wouldn't it break the other frontends?

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GreyFoxx:

No

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GreyFoxx:

mythrename updates the database for the recording entry

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xanderp:

it updates the database then... ?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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xanderp:

<grin>

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xanderp:

so I assume I could execute that as a post recording script to keep the names created 'pseudo-on-the-fly'

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GreyFoxx:

sure

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GreyFoxx:

or just a cron that starts at 2 and 32 after the hour

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GreyFoxx:

it would always catch new stuff

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xanderp:

gotcha... you think it would be safe to run 'while' a recording is in session? (renaming a file while it is being written?)

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GreyFoxx:

sure

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GreyFoxx:

the file system will keep writing to the proper file

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xanderp:

k

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xanderp:

will investigate mythrename.pl further, thanks

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bmathis:

hello everyone

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xanderp:

do i need to install a divx codec to play pvr150 mythtv recordings on a windows box?

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GreyFoxx:

considering the pvr150 outputs mpeg2, no

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xanderp:

dvd codec then yes?

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GreyFoxx:

something that will handle mpeg2

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GreyFoxx:

windows wont do that on it's own I believe

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xanderp:

I reinstalled my work laptop and now it doesn't play (used to...) I think it worked because I had a software dvd player installed. will try that.

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GreyFoxx:

if you install/user vlc as your media player it will handle them without needing to install a seperate codec for h264/mpeg4/mpeg2

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xanderp:

vlc for windows (on the laptop?)

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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xanderp:

nice...

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squish102:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstre . . . nfigure_lirc < it tells me to either run the command or

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squish102:

to use LIRCD_OPTIONS which I would rather do

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squish102:

but it tells me to up it in /etc/init.d/lircd but i dont have that file :(

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Hilikus:

hey guys, im trying to create a dvd with mytharchive and i want to burn an avi video i have, its 700MB and 1.30 hours long. is there going to be any difference in quality if i choose SP or EP as the profile? or since the video is already worse quality it doesnt matter?

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Hilikus:

cause if a choose SP it says the new size is 2.82GB, but the original video is only 700MB

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Dagmar:

Welcome to the wonderful world of transcoded video

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Dagmar:

The file was 700Mb in the format it was, _before_ you transcoded it to be something a consumer DVD player can tolerate.

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Hilikus:

but is it then worthed encoding in in something thats going to make it 2.82GB (SP) or should i go smaller

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Hilikus:

like 1.60 (LP)

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** sutula doesn't know the answer to Hilikus's question, but wonders why it matters, if the rest of the DVD will otherwise be empty **

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Hilikus:

hehe of course it wont

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Hilikus:

if its the same going lower quality, i rather stick other stuff in it

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** sutula nods **

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sutula:

If you have kids, it may be better to leave the outside of the DVD empty :)

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Hilikus:

lol

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Hilikus:

i dont

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sutula:

That's where the chocolate goes

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Dagmar:

Just about *everything* is more space-efficient than what gets put on a DVD

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Hilikus:

so will it decrease the quality or not?

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Hilikus:

let say if i have a source of quality 5 and im thniking or reencoding losslessly of quality 8 or 10, they are both a waste, because the source is already Q5

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Dagmar:

That depends on a lot of things, but usually no.

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Hilikus:

but i dont know if this process is lossless

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Dagmar:

"lossless" reencoding isn't doing any encoding at all.

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Dagmar:

It's just for throwing out the frames one doesn't need.

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Hilikus:

so you think its a waste to go SP (2.82GB) when the source is a 700MB avi of 90 mins? it will look the same as LP?

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Dagmar:

That depends on if you can live with what comes out the other end.

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Dagmar:

If you're wanting some kind of hard and fast answer about whether you should do this or that with a given piece of media, you might as well as for world peace while you're at it.

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Hilikus:

hehe

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Hilikus:

ok, so i'll be conservative and go with the higher quality

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Hilikus:

thanks guys

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mkrufky:

booo my backend server crashed

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mkrufky:

(seems like a hardware problem)

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edman007:

anyone know what version of ffmpeg mythtv 0.21 will build with?

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edman007:

it won't build with ffmpeg HEAD

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** xris re-reminds people about the mythtv linkedin group: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/96734/7263542DA680 **

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xris:

edman007: usually the one that it comes included with.

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edman007:

xris, really? because its finding the system ffmpeg and failing

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xris:

edman007: mythtv? or one of the plugins?

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edman007:

mythtv

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edman007:

0.21

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edman007:

/usr/include/artsc/../libavcodec/avcodec.h:260:5: error: missing binary operator before token "("

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xris:

weird. it should be using libmythavcodec

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xris:

but one of the other devs could tell you more. maybe something uses the real ffmpeg

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edman007:

no, i just checked the source, it does `#include "../libavcodec/avcodec.h"` so if something like -I/usr/include/artsc/ is specified it will find the system one, and it is specified

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edman007:

before -I. or -I.. and such is specified on the command line

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bmathis:

i need a new remote for my front end and dont want to spend a lot of money. does anyone know if a mediagate remote which is supposedly MCE "certified" will work or not?

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bmathis:

heres a link: http://www.yesbuy.net/microsoft-windows-vista . . . nnel-ir.html

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edman007:

so where do i edit the compile commands? i'm not familiar with whatever build system mythtv is using

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bmathis:

or does anyone know where to get a fairly decent priced remote?

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mightyunclean:

bmathis: google says it does, but some users had to add new device IDs to the lirc_mceusb2.c kernel module source

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mightyunclean:

probably depends on the model

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bmathis:

mightyunclean: awesome, thanks for the reply

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bmathis:

i found a ms branded remote for about $10s more so i might spend the extra money that I already dont have and get that knowing that it "should" work outta the box

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mightyunclean:

nice

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sutula:

Earlier today, someone pointed to the MCE: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:MCE-Remote-2.jpg

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** sutula has no personal experience with any yet **

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mightyunclean:

got mine bundled with a Dvico HDTV tuner, nice layout + both worked straight out the box

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bmathis:

ordered my remote... should be here by Fri!

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Randal:

I use MythTV

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Randal:

I just need to figure out how to steal digital cable with it

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Randal:

what's up?

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Randal:

I want FTAt oo

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Varak_:

anyone up?

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Randal:

10,000 channels

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Randal:

I want so much TV that I will quit my job and eventually become homeless

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Randal:

How do I steal porn with MythTV?

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Randal:

on digital cable

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Randal:

I am already stealing Bell porn

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Randal:

via MythTV

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Randal:

I am so happy

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Randal:

Venus 7

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Randal:

What softcam do you guys use?

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Randal:

My penis is hard

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fryfrog:

wtf?

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Varak_:

too much sugar?

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fryfrog:

he must have had a big ol' bowl of jerk for breakfast :p

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Varak_:

heh

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tank-man:

you didnt know a anonyminity+public forum = fucktards a plenty

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tank-man:

there was a penny arcade comic about it

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tank-man:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg

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xtknight:

how do i switch between inputs on the frontend? i want to be able to see my hd channels and analog-cable channels at the same time, but im only seeing my hd ones. they have both been autoscanned

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xtknight:

it is coming from the same adapter but one is DVB3.x and the other is V4L /dev/video0

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webvictim:

got a friend who's just set up myth – when he logs in, he gets a "MythTV status for localhost" in his /etc/motd

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webvictim:

i want that too – anyone know where it's set up?

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Ace2016:

clone his hard drive ;)

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clever:

lol

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webvictim:

haha.

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clever:

you could edit /etc/motd with a crontab script:P

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webvictim:

clever: perhaps you don't understand. he didn't do it himself

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clever:

what distro is he using then?

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waxhead_:

hey everyone

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webvictim:

he just did a standard ubuntu install, and then installed the packages from apt

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webvictim:

i did the same thing, but mine doesn't do it. maybe it's a recent update

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hads:

webvictim: I believe it's mythtv-status

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webvictim:

locate returns me nothing for mythtv-status :(

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webvictim:

oh, you mean a package called that?

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hads:

Install it :)

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webvictim:

ahh

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webvictim:

thanks, i'll try that

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hads:

np

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hads:

webvictim: This; http://paste.pocoo.org/show/78954/ is what I use

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sid3windr:

hm

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sid3windr:

where does the mythtv python module come from? ;)

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hads:

It's part of the bindings included with mythtv

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sid3windr:

not in the .deb package then ;/

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sid3windr:

(or at least not with the backend)

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hads:

Should be a separate package

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hads:

(in ubuntu)

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sid3windr:

I have a mythtv-perl package :)

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sid3windr:

a

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sid3windr:

libmyth-dev?

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sid3windr:

hm, has huge dependency list

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hads:

libmyth-python

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sid3windr:

don't have it :/

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sid3windr:

(debian)

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hads:

I don't think it's in Debian

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hads:

It was only merged not long before the 0.21 release

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sid3windr:

mythtv is in the debian-multimedia repository anyways

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sid3windr:

not in debian itself

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sid3windr:

ponder ponder

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webvictim:

"Unable to access MythTV Perl API. Try with --verbose to find out why."

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sid3windr:

I guess even there it's only 0.20

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webvictim:

i presume that's because i'm not logging in as the mythtv user?

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sid3windr:

try with --verbose to find out why.

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hads:

Try with --verbose to find out why :)

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webvictim:

but it's called by mythtv-status ;)

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webvictim:

well, it appears in /etc/motd

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webvictim:

but i don't know what script updates that ;P

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webvictim:

it's not part of the mythtv-status output itself.

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webvictim:

cool, found a nice workaround on the ubuntu forums :)

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webvictim:

now to find out about recompling ffmpeg with mp3 support. :P

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jeffery:

I am having problem getting mythfilldatabase to run automatically via myth... manually running it seems to work without problems... but when run through myth, mythweb reports: "mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. ".....

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hads:

Probably an environment problem such as no or different $HOME

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jeffery:

hads, thanks.. will check permissions

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hads:

OK, but that's not what I said.

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Meijito:

Hello, i installed MythTV succesful, but i can't start it. I have connect to mysql or something. So, i installed Mysql, maked user, Database, but i still can't connect to that mysql. Can anybody help me?

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Hilikus:

is there a way to resume mytharchive after it crashed?

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sohocoke:

hi there, i'm a mythtv n00b and want to find out what the quickest and easiest way to get a backend running might be. do any of the livecd distro's afford me to skip all the details in mythtv-setup?

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webvictim:

mythbuntu is probably a good idea to start with.

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webvictim:

but if you want to skip every aspect of the config entirely, mythtv is probably not for you. ;)

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webvictim:

this is not windows.

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thoraxe:

sohocoke: mythbuntu is pretty good... i had some weird issues on older hardware. mythdora was pretty flawless. just my $0.02

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thoraxe:

but those are probably the 2 best ones

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sohocoke:

i installed mythbuntu on my ubuntu box but still got lost in all the config details after i ran mythtv-setup. i was wondering if there's something more conducive to tired and lazy techies..

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sohocoke:

how is mythdora from the config perspective?

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sohocoke:

(compared to mythbuntu)

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sohocoke:

should i expect around the same amount of effort?

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thoraxe:

myth is myth

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thoraxe:

you have to configure it

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thoraxe:

the most important config options are the video source stuff

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thoraxe:

i.e. choosing the capture card, assigning channels, etc

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thoraxe:

most of the other defaults work just fine

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thoraxe:

i'm not sure if anyone has written a configuration guide or not

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sohocoke:

there are a few guides, they were very wordy and i was hoping i could get this going in a few days. looks like it's goign to be a bit more involving than that :)

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thoraxe:

well, the config shoudln't take more than 20 minutes

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MartinCleaver:

When I import a channels.conf file mythtv crashes

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MartinCleaver:

anyone seen that before?

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anykey_:

MartinCleaver: do you have a multicore-cpu?

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MartinCleaver:

quad core, yes

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MartinCleaver:

Q6600

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MartinCleaver:

HVR-1800

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anykey_:

MartinCleaver: start mythtv-setup with 'taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup'

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MartinCleaver:

ah, thanks

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SHADOW__X:

what problem are you having MartinCleaver

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MartinCleaver:

Ah, that's better – its actually looking at the file now

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MartinCleaver:

I still get Timeout Scanning, mind

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MartinCleaver:

but at least it swallowed the file

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MartinCleaver:

Spec of the machine is here, BTW: http://martin.cleaver.org/blog/2008/01/04/a-n . . . he-new-year/

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anykey_:

oh c'mon dude, just get a mac ;)

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** MartinCleaver did buy a mac in the end **

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** MartinCleaver is typing on that now **

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SHADOW__X:

so i gues you have money to blow :D

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MartinCleaver:

Good point though – I should comment on my own posting

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SHADOW__X:

hello everyone i am having a problem with my hvr 1800

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SHADOW__X:

i watch tv and whatever channel its on works fine

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SHADOW__X:

but when i change the channel sometimes it works

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SHADOW__X:

sometimes it doesnt and kicks me out to the main menu this happened after i installed my pinnacle pctv 800i

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MartinCleaver_:

You are lucky you get that far!

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SHADOW__X:

luck has nothing to do with it

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

if you do everything step by step you will not have an issue

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SHADOW__X:

what issue are you having

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JoeyJoeJo:

what ports does the frontend use to connect to the backend?

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SHADOW__X:

you set that up in the mythback end

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SHADOW__X:

in that setup

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GreyFoxx:

joe: defaults are 6543 and I think 6544

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GreyFoxx:

6543 = mythprotocol, and there are a couple used for upnp stuff but those aren't "needed" :)

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MartinCleaver_:

which instructions did you follow, SHADOW__X ?

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SHADOW__X:

the ones i have scareped together

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SHADOW__X:

first

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SHADOW__X:

after your install update everything

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SHADOW__X:

such as the package manager

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SHADOW__X:

let the os update

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MartinCleaver_:

Do you have this documented on a wiki somewhere?

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SHADOW__X:

then install firmware for your card if you have hvr 1800 http://steventoth.net/linux/hvr1800/

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SHADOW__X:

no

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SHADOW__X:

just listen to me

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SHADOW__X:

install that

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MartinCleaver_:

that's done

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SHADOW__X:

ok install v4l-dvb driver

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SHADOW__X:

i used mercurial

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MartinCleaver_:

where's that?

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SHADOW__X:

searching v4l-dvb does suffice

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SHADOW__X:

but since no one needs other help

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SHADOW__X:

http://www.linuxtv.org/repo/

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SHADOW__X:

check that out make then make install

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SHADOW__X:

reboot the computer

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SHADOW__X:

and the tuner should be there

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MartinCleave1:

oh, I've done this too

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** MartinCleave1 recognised this as linuxtv rather than vlb-dvb **

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MartinCleave1:

what's next?

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SHADOW__X:

select the tuner under myth?

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

the tuner is isntalled man

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MartinCleave1:

y, I did that

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MartinCleave1:

I can see it installed no problem

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SHADOW__X:

then what else do you want

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MartinCleave1:

Scan to work

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MartinCleave1:

:)

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SHADOW__X:

its not working because of something YOUR selecting

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SHADOW__X:

where do you live

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MartinCleave1:

Toronto, Canada

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MartinCleave1:

I even downloaded a channels.conf for the area.

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MartinCleave1:

No joy

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SHADOW__X:

i havnt used one of those channels.conf so i wouldnt know

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SHADOW__X:

what are you trying to tune first analog or digital

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MartinCleave1:

tried both

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SHADOW__X:

make sure everything maches up

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SHADOW__X:

in video source and where youare scanning

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SHADOW__X:

i would try us-cable first

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SHADOW__X:

for me i had to select us-cable-hrc for it to work

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SHADOW__X:

you could try all

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MartinCleave1:

You doing OTA?

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** MartinCleave1 is **

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SHADOW__X:

y ou cant just give up and expect someone to fix it you need to scan everything that could possible work

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SHADOW__X:

no i am doing qam

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MartinCleave1:

I've tried many things

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SHADOW__X:

are you using anntennaes or what

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MartinCleave1:

and the time that I've spent I could have just bought something less complicated :( like a HDHomeRun

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SHADOW__X:

depending how much you are willing to sell it for and if its the same as mine ill buy it from you

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MartinCleave1:

I'll just wait for the 1800 to be better supported I guess

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MartinCleave1:

thanks though

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SHADOW__X:

yup i am just saying

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SHADOW__X:

the 1800 has good digital support

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SHADOW__X:

i can attest for that

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SHADOW__X:

i am having an issue with analog but that can be due to my own ignorance on something the something i have yet to figure out but all is not lost

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SHADOW__X:

alright i think i have it figured out

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SHADOW__X:

its working fine

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SHADOW__X:

so anyway i would just say take it easy man you can get it to work but the issue could be with ota your anntennae maybe shit

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SHADOW__X:

what are you using

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MartinCleave1:

Silver sensor

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MartinCleave1:

I'd expect at least a 1% reception

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MartinCleave1:

works fine on a real tv

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MartinCleave1:

for OTA HDTV

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ne2k__:

is there a definitive list of supported hardware for MythTV? I'm considering buying this tuner: http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/-/677/884/-/332672 . . . htype=genre#

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SHADOW__X:

lol there is an issue where on the menu signal strenth does not work

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SHADOW__X:

but db rating does

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SHADOW__X:

go on dvb and let it scan

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SHADOW__X:

if you would like i would be willing to try vnc into your machine

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SHADOW__X:

if you enable the service i have some time to kill

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SHADOW__X:

hello?

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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MartinCleave1:

That's kind of you.... Hmm. I'd have to knock holes in firewalls etc

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rambo3:

hi

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MartinCleave1:

I can't do it right now – I have to get this work done

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gbee:

ne2k__: no definitive list, most people will point you to the DVB wiki at linuxtv.org which lists supported devices, but unfortunately it's not updated often or really maintained so it's not complete or always accurate

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gbee:

anything that works in linux should work with mythtv though

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SHADOW__X:

ok MartinCleave1 its fine you would have to open one port

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gbee:

I might be mistaken, but the Hauppauge USB DVB-T tuners do work or at least certain versions do

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SHADOW__X:

i have heard that

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SHADOW__X:

i distinctly remember someone with the usb dvb t 500

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ne2k__:

gbee: thanks for your help. I'll look for generic linux support for that hardware. Is it v4l support I'm after? I know it's not really a question about MythTV but does the specification that that tuner supports "recording to mpeg-2" on the hard disk imply that it passes MPEG-2 directly to the computer?

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ne2k__:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_USB2 that looks like an older, larger version of the same thing. I presume they've just miniaturized it down to stick-size now

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MartinCleave1:

ooeey. I just scanned a channel successfully after running under the set to single cpu command

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SHADOW__X:

should be and yeah mpeg2 digital to your comp

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gbee:

ne2k__: all DVB is broadcast in either mpeg2 or h.264, meaning that all mythtv does is stream that straight to the HDD

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gbee:

uses very little CPU

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SHADOW__X:

but watching it

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

or playing it takes cpu

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SHADOW__X:

anyone here have a m2npv-vm mb?

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gbee:

even then not much for mpeg2

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ne2k__:

gbee: so in the past, with analogue video, it was a bonus to have an mpeg encoder in the card for recording, and for playback you just needed DMA video overlay; now it's the other way round, or sort of

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gbee:

h.264 is another question entirely, but not relevant for a DVB-T tuner since there is no HD on freeview yet

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ne2k__:

gbee: more's the pity. btw, are you in the uk?

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gbee:

yep

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gbee:

freesat thankfully has HD, not yet tired of BBC wildlife documentaries in HD :)

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ne2k__:

gbee: cool, me too. btw, which channel list do I want? Europe West? I tried to set up MythTV yesterday (a little pointless as I haven't got a tuner yet!) and I was slightly confused by the huge number of options

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gbee:

europe west

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ne2k__:

it seems to go into an awful lot of detail about backend servers and frontend clients and passwords and ports and things. maybe I installed the wrong package, but it would seem to make more sense to just install with a set of sensible defaults and then let the expert users change it afterwards if they want to

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gbee:

ne2k__: setting up mythtv can be a little daunting because people want a huge level of configurability from it, but it's well worth it

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gbee:

ne2k__: defaults are usually fine for most things

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ne2k__:

gbee: is it a genuine alternative to a hardware pvr/dvd writer?

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iamlindoro__:

Haven't read the log, but thost parts of mythtv which can have defaults that are sensible already do-- no "sensible defaults" for tuner cards or listings though

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iamlindoro__:

as there is no such thing

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ne2k__:

iamlindoro__: no way to detect any of them? I guess not

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ne2k__:

iamlindoro__: I mean, maybe look at the timezone configuration and guess the location from that

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gbee:

ne2k__: things will be improving on the setup front, such as "regional defaults"

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ne2k__:

iamlindoro__: I guess that'd be something that would be up to Ubuntu's configure scripts to do; I guess the developers don't really care

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iamlindoro__:

To say that the developers don't care is pretty off the mark-- to say that there are few enough of them that only things there have time/energy to work on get worked on is more accurate

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iamlindoro__:

er things they have

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gbee:

ne2k__: definately an alternative to a hardware PVR, but maybe I'm a little biased – setup is a little trickier but it's endlessly expandable (I'm recording from Freeview and Freesat on the same device with multiple tuners, meaning I can record a dozen or more things at the same time)

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SHADOW__X:

they have lives to development isnt an easy thing

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SHADOW__X:

how hard is free sat recording

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SHADOW__X:

and where would you start

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iamlindoro__:

no harder than any other satellite recording

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hadees:

720p is better then 1080i right? i mean i know they are pretty much the same but i always choose 720p when given the choice and i wanted to make sure i was actually getting the best picture

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gbee:

the space my mythtv box takes up replaces a VCR/PVR, DVD player, Stereo and gives me access to my pictures from a digital camera on the TV etc

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ne2k__:

iamlindoro__: sorry, I didn't mean to cause offense. I just mean that in general, there is often an extra level of idiot-proofing put in by distributors, particularly for ones like Ubuntu which are particularly targeted at Windows converts

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iamlindoro__:

hadees: 1080i is better for drama/low-medium motion, 720p is more visually pleasing for sports/fast action

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SHADOW__X:

720p is better in sports or fast movement iif the source is bad you can see the interlacing

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, hmm well can you really switch back and forth with mythvideo?

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hadees:

i mean mean mythtv

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gbee:

ne2k__: there is a version of ubuntu called Mythbuntu which attempts to do that, but it's a complete ubuntu replacement designed for dedicated Mythtv systems

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SHADOW__X:

i be running that gbee

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hadees:

i guess that is really xorg

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iamlindoro__:

hadees: Myth *does* support resolution switching with xrandr, but it will also happily scale things, so if you run a 1080p display at native resolution, that's probably perfectly fine

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ne2k__:

gbee: I'm not sure my wife would like it. we've just bought a 32" LCD TV and are considering replacing our aged DVD machine with SCART with a new box that has HDMI, decent DVB tuner(s) for recording and a hard disk and a good DVD player/recorder. we were looking at the Panasonic one as we have a panasonic Viera TV, so the Viera link would do nice things

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ne2k__:

gbee: mythbuntu, eh? that sounds interesting. I'll take a look at that

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, well the display is 720p or 1080i but i actually run everything via vga

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hadees:

to my HDTV

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iamlindoro__:

hadees: using VGA/D-sub has little or nothing to do with the resolution

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iamlindoro__:

so long as your display allows all of its resolutions via Dsub then that connection shouldn't be limiting

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ne2k__:

gbee: so would it be best to use the VGA input on the LCD TV, or to get some hardware that supports HDMI output?

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hadees:

iamlindoro_, really? but you can't run 1080i over vga or can you?

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iamlindoro__:

hadees: sure you can, why not?

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hadees:

i thought all monitors were progressive

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SHADOW__X:

ne2k__ they also have dvi to hdmi

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iamlindoro__:

hadees: is it an LCD or a CRT?

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hadees:

ne2k__, you can get a HDMI -> VGA

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hadees:

iamlindoro, LCD

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iamlindoro__:

and no, not all monitors are progressive (there are interlaced CRTs)

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ne2k__:

SHADOW__X: oh, are they compatible then? wouldn't I want DVI + Sound to HDMI?

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gbee:

ne2k__: I'm not going to try and sell you one way or the other, at the end of the day only you know what's going to be right for you – I liked mythtv enough and saw enough potential in it that I became a developer to improve the usability and capabilities (look out for the next version :p )

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iamlindoro__:

hadees: in that case your panel is 720p or 1080p, no such thing as an interlaced LCD

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GreyFoxx:

ne2: a DVI-> hdmi cable is your best bet if you have a HDMI input

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gbee:

ne2k__: native HDMI is better

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ne2k__:

GreyFoxx: gbee: hmmm, contradictory advice!

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SHADOW__X:

ne2k__ some video cards support dvi – hdmi with audio over it

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hadees:

iamlindoro_, yeah thats what i mean but it does say it can use 1080i

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iamlindoro__:

hadees: your LCD may say it "supports" 1080i, but all it is doing is accepting it as an input and scaling it to 720p

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GreyFoxx:

ne1: If you have a VGA input, and a HDMI, use the HDMI

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ne2k__:

SHADOW__X: so the video card will be the sound card too?

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gbee:

you get audio over HDMI with hdmi->hdmi

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gbee:

ne2k__: http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/

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iamlindoro__:

so in your case, it's not really going to matter-- much more relevant when you are talking about displaying, for example, 720p/1080i material on a 1080p display

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SHADOW__X:

ne2k__ no it streams it over it it taps into your sound c ard

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ne2k__:

GreyFoxx: well, yes, but I don't have the output yet — I'm gathering info to help me decide what I might buy

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ne2k__:

SHADOW__X: as in, a crappy little wire that you have to plug into the sound card and the video card? that seems very last century

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SHADOW__X:

ne2k__ some cards automatically do it some dont to my knowledge

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SHADOW__X:

ne2k__ i am pretty sure some do it over optical

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gbee:

ne2k__: the ati based HDMI solutions don't need a seperate sound card, it's built in

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GreyFoxx:

ne2: Any modern card with a DVI out can use a dvi to hdmi cable, so you don't require an actualy hdmi output unless you want to put audio on it too

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GreyFoxx:

I don't do that on my stuff, I just use dvi->hdmi

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ne2k__:

gbee: the MSI K9AGM3-F 690V has native HDMI with sound built in?

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gbee:

yep

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ne2k__:

gbee: cool. I haven't seen MSI before, but it looks good. is that miffteevee.co.uk your site, btw?

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gbee:

you need the latest drivers, but it works beautifully for me, connected to my 32" 720p tv

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ne2k__:

I've used VIA board before but not for video

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ne2k__:

gbee: which distribution are you using?

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gbee:

ne2k__: sites mine, never have found time to turn it into what I wanted

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ne2k__:

gbee: is it quiet?

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ne2k__:

it seems quite a large case

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gbee:

ne2k__: mandriva, but for someone new to mythtv I'd suggest using one of the mythtv based distros such as Mythbuntu, Mythdora or Knoppmyth

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gbee:

ne2k__: case is the same dimensions as two Sky/Virgin STBs stacked on top of each other – same width/depth, just a little taller

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cesman:

gbee: saved teh best for last I see ;)

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hadees:

so i haven't been paying attention lately, has anyone come out with any new plugins? official or unofficial?

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gbee:

considering it replaces several devices the size seems reasonable to me – but you can probably go even smaller if you don't mind paying more

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hadees:

the last big one i remember coming out was zoneminder

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gbee:

cesman: of course ;)

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cesman:

gbee: funny, it was all the issues I had getting MythTV running on Mandrake that caused me to start KnoppMyth

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cesman:

not that it was Mandrake's fault...

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hadees:

MythTV on Gentoo, ftw

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cesman:

just issues w/ dependencies...

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gbee:

ne2k__: that machine would be quieter with a better fan in the PSU which I intend on getting, either that or a fanless PSU

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iamlindoro__:

I've never used Mandriva, but I used old school Mandrake a lot in the late 90s-- I loved it a lot, did most of my linux learning there (That was before I decided to stop learning)

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ne2k__:

gbee: how about this box? http://www.hipergroup.com/products.php?lv=4&a . . . tion=Feature

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gbee:

cesman: well I don't use mythtv packages anymore, haven't since 0.17 and I like mandriva otherwise – of course I used to use knoppmyth on one of my systems, but when I rebuilt it it was easier to use the same distro as I use everywhere else

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iamlindoro__:

ne2k__: That would be a good box hardwarewise, but I hear it is very very very loud

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ne2k__:

it seems to have a K9AGM2 rather than a K9AGM3 motherboard

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iamlindoro__:

ne2k__: There's a review of it at silentpcreview that mentions the obscene volume of the fans

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ne2k__:

iamlindoro__: I don't want something loud

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cesman:

gbee: I use to use Mandrake a lot

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cesman:

gbee: I use to tell people, if Redhat it cake, Mandrake is cake and ice cream

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cesman:

gbee: that is how much I liked it

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gbee:

ne2k__: not sure how the k9AGM2 compares, but I think it's pretty similar – that case is fine if you don't want or need additional cards in there – personally I wanted to use PCI tuners and also add a wireless nic

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gbee:

cesman: I love Mandrake/Mandriva, tried a few other distros in my time (most recently Ubuntu), but with 2008.1 I think it's evolved from being cake and ice cream to being given your own private key to the cake and ice-cream store ;)

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cesman:

gbee: LOL!

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abqjp:

I need a case which can hold 16 hard drives.

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ne2k__:

As none of the fans in the system have been changed from the previous model, the noise level remained the same. 31 dBA@1m when idle, and 35 dBA@1m during stress testing with CPUBurn as measured by our B&K sound level meter. It's an acceptable amount of noise for a home theater PC. The addition of the southbridge fan made the unit unbearable, even for a media center. If Hiper felt that the...

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ne2k__:

...southbridge wouldn't be adequately cooled they could have requested MSI to use a larger passive heatsink instead. The sound the fan emitted was akin to a high-pitch optical drive motor spinning at moderate speeds or a very small vacuum cleaner. It was loud enough that we did not even bother measuring or recording its noise level.

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gbee:

when it came to setting up a new laptop on ubuntu it took a full day of messing with ubuntu and in the end I gave up trying to get things working, Mandriva 2008 was installed with everything perfect in under an hour – maybe my familiarity with Mandriva helped a little, but it still kicked Ubuntu

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ne2k__:

gbee: that's the extract from the silentpcreview review. it seems to contradict itself — where did they decide that there was an extra fan?

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ne2k__:

iamlindoro__: sorry, that was for you

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MartinCleaver_:

mythfrontend just screws up the video (nvidia XFX 7600) – the only way to get it working again seems to be to reboot the machine

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MartinCleaver_:

I just get flashing blocks on the screen

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gbee:

ne2k__: the motherboard as purchased direct has no fans on the chipsets, just a heatsink – Hiper for some reason removed the heatsink and added a fan

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MartinCleaver_:

I have the nv video drivers in place

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ne2k__:

gbee: they seem to suggest in the review that it worked fine without the fan on the southbridge

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ne2k__:

The southbridge in particular, was scorching, and it makes sense that Hiper decided to include the optional fan this time around. We performed all our tests with the fan disconnected, however, to eliminate it's annoying noise, and no instability was noted.

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gbee:

ne2k__: well the version I've got does, see the photo here – no fan on the southbridge, just a black heatsink – http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/large-18.png

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MartinCleaver_:

any suggestions before I do reboot?

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cesman:

MartinCleaver_: nv or nvidia?

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MartinCleaver_:

nv I think. I didn't know there was a difference actually.

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MartinCleaver_:

How do I check which I am using?

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MartinCleaver_:

Only have remote ssh access

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ne2k__:

gbee: that website is slow. are you hosting it on ADSL?

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cesman:

MartinCleaver_: nv is open source nvidia is closed and what I'm recommend for best performance

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MartinCleaver_:

am unclear: which do you recommend?

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cesman:

the closed nvidia binary

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MartinCleaver_:

ok – how do I check which I am using using the command line?

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iamlindoro__:

abqjp: Some of the Lian Li cases will do 19–21 drives, I have one that will fit 21

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cesman:

MartinCleaver_: if you didn't install the nvidia binary, must likely nv

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cesman:

MartinCleaver_: I support the easiest way would just be to grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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cesman:

you'll either get Driver nv or nvidia

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gbee:

ne2k__: nope, it's hosted in the US though

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MartinCleaver_:

y, nv

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gbee:

it's not slow for me

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cesman:

MartinCleaver_: huh?

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MartinCleaver_:

I have "nv"

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** MartinCleaver_ googles for nvidia linux driver **

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iamlindoro__:

u hv to uz whl wrds n sentnces d00d

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ne2k__:

what is the thinnest client one can realistically make for mythtv? I'm thinking of something that has an ethernet port, some RAM, an HDMI graphics/sound card, an optical drive and an IR receiver, boots off the network with an NFS root partition and gets all video from another machine in the loft which has n tuners and n hard drives in it and we don't care how much noise it makes

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: I have owned Lian Li cases in the past. Some of the them are pretty good, but they are expensive. What model number do you have?

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iamlindoro__:

abqjp: The PC-A77

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gbee:

ne2k__: well you've just described it, I've seen thinner clients even

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abqjp:

I am currently using one of the case master stackers. Unmodified it will hold up to 14 drives. If I modify it, I could squeeze in 16.

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sid3windr:

ne2k__: I'm just building something like that :]

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ne2k__:

gbee: could one realistically operate something like that over a wireless network?

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iamlindoro__:

not without excruciating pain

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ne2k__:

sid3windr: what hardware are you using?

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sid3windr:

none yet, I'm just shopping around :]

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MartinCleaver_:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html – I've got an intel Q6600 running 64 bit centos 5.2 linux – do I need Linux IA64? Thanks

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iamlindoro__:

even non-netboot myth frontends can barely handle SD over wireless. Add to that netboot and network mounted vrything... recipe for no worky

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ne2k__:

but am I right in thinking that MythTV's modular nature makes it ideal, perfect and absolutely the right choice for doing something exactly like that?

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sid3windr:

thinking of a tsunami mjr case, asus mini itx, pentium dualcore, 1G ram, nfs boot

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ne2k__:

iamlindoro__: SD?

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sid3windr:

but it would be gigabit wired, not wireless

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iamlindoro__:

ne2k__: Standard Definition

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gbee:

ne2k__: hmm, well it all depends on your neighbours – I'd suggest not, I've done it before now with with world + dog all using wireless networks and nevermind any other interferance it can cause problems when you least want them

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iamlindoro__:

MartinCleaver_: and64/em64t

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GreyFoxx:

sid Why would you need gigabit ?

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MartinCleaver_:

thanks

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sid3windr:

GreyFoxx: because it's already there

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sid3windr:

:]

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ne2k__:

GreyFoxx: I suspect he just means that it /will/ be gigabit, because you can't buy things that don't have it any more

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GreyFoxx:

sid: Ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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sid3windr:

I have a gig switch, and all new boards have gigabit chips

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sid3windr:

so it will be :)

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ne2k__:

but it would work over 100Mb/s, wouldn't it?

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GreyFoxx:

I think you meant it as a requirement :)

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sid3windr:

yup, that would work fine

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GreyFoxx:

ne2: Easily

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gbee:

ne2k__: mythtv is perfect for that setup, it's how a lot of people use it – personally I don't because I live in an old house with solid walls where I can't easily lay in the wiring for the network or move the point where the aerial cables come in

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gbee:

it also costs a little more and I'm cheap ;)

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sid3windr:

and will have frontend in bedroom and living room

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sid3windr:

I just ran powertop on the thing and am now sulking that kdvb seems to wake the thing up a lot when it's not even recording anything

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ne2k__:

I'm trying to decide on what to do about sound too. there are speakers in the telly, but I'd like to be able to have external speakers and use the box as a stereo too, and choose whether to watch the TV with the TV speakers or the external speakers

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gbee:

I done plan to have a backend in the loft eventually, but I'll wait until redecorating

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SHADOW__X:

sid3windr how do you do the * thing

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sid3windr:

the what thiing?

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iamlindoro__:

I think he means /me

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sid3windr:

hey who put an extra I in there

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** iamlindoro__ eats a baby **

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** sid3windr gives it back to apple **

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** iamlindoro__ nails your mom **

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** SHADOW__X eats a cookie **

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: How was your mythvideo work going ?

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SHADOW__X:

thanks

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: ok so far, but I'm just pulling things apart at the moment, I expect the real work to start when I try to put it all back together again ;)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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ne2k__:

my wife and I don't own our house, so we can't do anything major like drill holes in the ceiling. that's why I was wondering about wireless. But perhaps I can tolerate the noise of the backend and frontend being in the same box. Or... find a box that's quiet enough

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clever:

802.11b can bearly handle mythtv

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clever:

802.11g has no trouble with SD tv

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ne2k__:

well, I wouldn't use b, I'd just g

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sid3windr:

we don't own our house either, we asked the landlord if we could drill some holes

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sid3windr:

didn't do one to the living room, over there it's connected via ethernet-over-power

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ne2k__:

sid3windr: hmmm, well maybe I could do that. how much bandwidth do you get on EoP?

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sid3windr:

don't know, haven't really tried

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sid3windr:

if it doesn't work I'll have to find another way ;)

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sid3windr:

currently it's used for our cable company's dvb-c receiver

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sid3windr:

which obviously doesn't need a lot of bw

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sid3windr:

max of the thingies is 85Mbit

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sid3windr:

was planning on doing an iperf run :)

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ne2k__:

HDX101 from Netgear appears to vlaim to do 200Mbps

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ne2k__:

how does Freesat connect to mythtv? usb? pci?

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olejl:

I have some problems when trying to view encrypted DVB-S channels. MythTV say Signal 70%, S/N 4.7dB, BE = 0, (LAMc) Part.

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iamlindoro__:

ne2k__: you buy a DVB-S card and connect that to your dish

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olejl:

Unencrypted channels are ok.

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olejl:

mythbackend output: http://pastebin.com/d27fb5822

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olejl:

Can anybody tell me if something looks suspicious?

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gbee:

olejl: I assume you have a CAM?

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olejl:

yes I have, but I am not sure it is working. dmesg says: dvb_ca adapter 0: DVB CAM detected and initialised successfully

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gbee:

don't really know anything about setting up a cam

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olejl:

ok thanks anyway. I will try to make a post to the mailing list

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MartinCleaver_:

iamlindoro__: cesman : Thanks – the screen doesn't crash now

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro__ is there a way to get free sat in the us

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iamlindoro__:

SHADOW__X: no

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SHADOW__X:

does free sat stand for anything other than free satelite

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SHADOW__X:

?

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cesman:

MartinCleaver_: you're welcome

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Varak_:

actually, you can

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Varak_:

using a softcam

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Varak_:

so im told

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iamlindoro__:

Freesat is the product name for British Free Satellite Television, which is broadcast is a very tight beam to the UK only. There are some unencrypted satellite signals that can be tuned in the US, but that is largely religious and home shopping programming

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iamlindoro__:

Varak_: Illegal and offlimits discussion in this room, and not "free satellite" by any means

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Varak_:

I didn't bring it up

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iamlindoro__:

Varak_: mentioning it (and continuing to do so) is likely to get you kicked

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Varak_:

somoene asked if it was possible and SHADOW__X gave them incorrect info

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iamlindoro__:

Varak_: Re-read, there was a discussion re: UK Freesat, a product name. It is *not* available in the US. And stealing encrypted satellite is no more "free satellite" than stealing cable is "free cable."

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iamlindoro__:

once again, keep mentioning illegal stuff and you are likely to bee kicked/banned

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iamlindoro__:

er be

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clever:

or robing a bank is 'free money' :P

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iamlindoro__:

^^^ Very true

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mishehu:

robbing a bank is free money, and the exploding dyepack is just teh cherry on the whipped cream

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iamlindoro__:

Clever's metaphor is actually much better than mine, wish I had thought of it :)

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gbee:

does anyone know for certain that play.com is now pre-paying VAT for UK customers?

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fbnts:

Hi, I have had Mythtv set up for a few weeks now and after a few teething problems all was ok. I started experimenting with remote frontends last week (I changed the settings in the DB from 127.0.0.1 to the network ip address) however since then about 60% of the recordings show in media library but when I try to play it says the file cannot be found.

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fbnts:

in the frontend log file I get: Error: File 'myth://192.168.1.123:6543/1003_20080709170000.mpg' missing.

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fbnts:

and the backend log shows: RingBuf(/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythtv-thomas/1003_20080709 170000.mpg): Could not open /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythtv-thomas/1003_20080709170000.m pg.

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fbnts:

it appears to random – no pattern to channel, show, time of day etc

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mishehu:

seems like you got a problem

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clever:

is the 'mythtv-thomas' box at the .1.123 ip?

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fbnts:

yep

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clever:

and the mythbackend is running there?

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fbnts:

I tried to locate the mpeg file on the backend server but it can't be found, but I don't see anything in the backend log to suggest its unable to dump the video to disk

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fbnts:

yep that box was/is both a frontend/backend

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clever:

im out of ideas then:(

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fbnts:

hmm

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fbnts:

when I log into the box via ssh the mythtvstatus show both tuners are recording

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fbnts:

ah, I have just grep'ed out the backend log for "Started recording:" and all todays records show up. They all say "channel 1019 on cardid 5, sourceid 1" except 1 which has cardid 6

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fbnts:

its the cardid 6 that was successful

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MartinCleaver_:

Does this: DVB: frontend 0 frequency 863000000 out of range (54000000..858000000) matter?

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edman007:

hi, mythtv 0.21 fails to build because it puts the include path for things like freetype and arts before the relative paths such as ., .., and ../.. this causes it to attempt to use the system ffmpeg headers instead of the included ffmpeg headers (its including ../libavcodec/avcodec.h so specifying *any* folder on /usr/include such as -I/usr/include/artsc before -I. will cause the build to fail), is there a known fix for this?

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edman007:

or is this question better for #mythtv ?

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fbnts:

just to let you know – I have gone into backend setup removed the sources/cards etc and reset them up. I am now recording two programs without a problem so must have been a config issue

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SHADOW__X:

does anyone in here have a hauppauge hvr 1800

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EvilGuru:

SHADOW__X: Would it make any difference if someone said they did?

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SHADOW__X:

yes because i would ask if they got analog working EvilGuru

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EvilGuru:

SHADOW__X: So, what doe the wiki have to say on the matter?

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SHADOW__X:

the wiki isnt updated upon it

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EvilGuru:

SHADOW__X: Check the commit log for LinuxTV

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cva:

" However, if I run directv.pl get_channel, it does report the correct channel. Is .21 possibly expecting a different return?

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cva:

bah

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cva:

truncated my message

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SHADOW__X:

EvilGuru where would that be

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cva:

I've been running directv.pl for years to control my directv box with it's serial port. Since upgrading to .21, I am no longer able to control it. It shows "Channel(/dev/video2) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(241): Failed to find Channel" in the backend log, but running it from the command line works fine.

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EvilGuru:

SHADOW__X: Google should track it down

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EvilGuru:

Look for any commit messages regarding support

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EvilGuru:

http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /023001.html — seems promising

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SHADOW__X:

thanks man

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SHADOW__X:

that actually makes alot of sense

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

tvtime with analog raw stream works

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SHADOW__X:

that is why

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SHADOW__X:

kol

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SHADOW__X:

the mepg encoder isnt fully supported yet

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xtknight:

my tuner is able to lock on analog channels but all i see when i 'watch tv' and select various channels is green or garble? how come?

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SHADOW__X:

what tuner do you have

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SHADOW__X:

framegrabber or encoder

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xtknight:

i'm using kernel 2.6.26-rc9 with the newly added hybrid tuner tda18271/tda829x. i can't get any other analog progs to work with it either. although, it may be worth mentioning mythtv is the only program that works with my digital tuner and it does not currently claim support for tihs analog tuner yet

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xtknight:

i think it's an encoder

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xtknight:

hauppauge hvr 1800

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kormoc:

analog lock?

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SHADOW__X:

i have that

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** kormoc blinks **

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xtknight:

neato

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SHADOW__X:

its encoder

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SHADOW__X:

the encoder isnt fully supported yet

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xtknight:

kormoc, well it goes thru and autoscans, locks on channels that do exist for my analog, and says not locked on channels i dont recall having

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SHADOW__X:

what you can try doing is installing tvtime and seeing if that works

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SHADOW__X:

the 1800 comes up as 2 devices

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xtknight:

yeah, it does

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SHADOW__X:

video0 and video1 the latter 1 is the encoder

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SHADOW__X:

tvtime uses 0 and works

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xtknight:

one locks on everything in abut 1 minute. i was doubtful. the other seemed to be doing something. i dont know what connector on the back to use

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SHADOW__X:

on the back it specifically tells you whats what

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xtknight:

well there is rf in, tv in, and ANT in as i recall

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xtknight:

i would try tvtime, unfortunately my radeonhd card does not currently support it with the drivers. (as a last resort i could plug in another card and try it)

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SHADOW__X:

from the pci e slot up

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SHADOW__X:

its the secound port

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xtknight:

yea middle coax right?

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SHADOW__X:

middle analog

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SHADOW__X:

the one closest to hte pci e slot is digital

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SHADOW__X:

currently the video0 tuner which is a v4l divices is somewhat supported

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, what kernel do you use?

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SHADOW__X:

19

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xtknight:

ah thought support was added for this in 25 or you recompiled it?

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xtknight:

i didnt have a /video0 and /video1 on a normal hardy install

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SHADOW__X:

i compiled driver from v4l-dvb repo

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xtknight:

oh maybe i should try that, i just recompiled the kernel

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SHADOW__X:

you didnt have it because you need to install the firmware and driver

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SHADOW__X:

do you have the firmware

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xtknight:

i have no idea

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xtknight:

i dont remember seeing firmware

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xtknight:

i enabled a tda18271 option in my kernel config

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SHADOW__X:

http://steventoth.net/linux/hvr1800/

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SHADOW__X:

firmware for tuner

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xtknight:

nice

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xtknight:

what all modules do you need loaded? "tuner", "tda8290", "tda18271" ?

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Dagmar:

You don't have to worry about that.

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Dagmar:

It'll load the modules it needs.

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Dagmar:

YOUR concern is that you have given it all the modules it needs and put the firmware in the right place.

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nathanbosch:

I recently upgrade to the 0.21 and had to update my xbox setup, I installed xebian by ftping a preconfigured setup to my box, however I can only access live tv, recordings don't work... I've been searching forums/mailing lists for a while and can't find anything... is anyone familiar?

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Dagmar:

nathanbosch: Have you tried asking in #Xebian?

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nathanbosch:

I didn't know that channel existed, thanks I'll switch over

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xtknight:

is it normal to not have a /dev/vbi0?

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Dagmar:

xtknight: Could be, depending on the card

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Dagmar:

nathanbosch: Bad news for you, all TV is recorded. There is no such thing as live TV. There is only what is being recorded being played back at near real-time

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nathanbosch:

no users in #Xebian :-/

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nathanbosch:

I know that, however my problem is the livetv menu option is the only way to access any recordings

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kormoc:

is the versions exactly the same?

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Dagmar:

Then you might want to take some time to go through the setup menus in the frontend and mythtv-setup and make sure everything is configured correctly.

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nathanbosch:

I can't access any recordings from the media library

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nathanbosch:

somehow I have mythtv installed without mythtv-setup on my frontend... is this required or just for the backend?

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xtknight:

Dagmar, do you mean that mythtv automatically loads the modules? or that 'tuner' loads everything else?

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rk4n3:

Dagmar: hey, how's it going ?

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nathanbosch:

all my setups are 0.21, should it matter that my backend is 0.21–0.11?

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xtknight:

hmm hopefully the firmware doesn't depend on architecture, altho i don't see any messages about it in my dmesg

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Dagmar:

xtknight: I mean that udev manages loading the modules for pretty much any and all devices now.

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SHADOW__X:

xtknight did you install the firmware

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Dagmar:

There were instructions *somewhere* on getting that card working. All you gotta do is follow them.

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, ya many thx for the link, i did extract.sh and then placed the files in /lib/firmware/2.6.26-rc9/

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xtknight:

there are now two .fw files there with permissions -r--r--r-- 1 root root

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SHADOW__X:

ok how is that working did that make a different

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Dagmar:

nathanbosch: Frontend and backend always need to be from the same source, not "close to", *same*

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Dagmar:

nathanbosch: ANything else is going to incur problems.

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, not that i can see immediately, i guess i will try rebooting and see what happens

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xtknight:

i dont know what modules i need,etc

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

well

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SHADOW__X:

modprobe tuner

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SHADOW__X:

try that see if that makes a difference

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xtknight:

the ones you have loaded are tda18271 and tda8290 or dont u have tohse?

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Dagmar:

xtrknight: Where'd you get that directory name from?

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SHADOW__X:

check tvtime though i have successfully gotten it to work there

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xtknight:

Dagmar, it is a standard firmware directory i believe. i was told to put it there by extract.sh in the HVR firmware package.

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xtknight:

Now manually copy firmware into your firmware dir / E.g. sudo cp v4l-cx23885-enc.fw /lib/firmware/2.6.26-rc9

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, so yours doesn't work with myth?

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Dagmar:

xtrknight: I've never seen anyone enumerate the firmware directory. /lib/firmware *should* work just fine

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dm-madman:

hi

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xtknight:

i've used it before for wireless drivers and things

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clever:

same

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Dagmar:

xtrknight: Either way, if the firmware was loaded, it should have said something about it in the syslog... Have you ,looked at the output of dmesg to see if the driver is saying anything important when it tries to load?"

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dm-madman:

can i watch shows from my website using this mythweb thing?

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SHADOW__X:

my digital tuenr works wonderfully my analog tuner only works under raw video0 video1mpeg encoder does not xtknight

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clever:

i manualy build my wifi drivers and installed firmware a few times

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Dagmar:

Poking at the machine without watching syslog closely is just a big fat waste of time

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

i allways watch the logs when doing that type of stuff

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dm-madman:

(tail -f is your friend)

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clever:

i just cat /dev/xconsole

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xtknight:

debug=1 for 'tuner': http://paste.ubuntu.com/26270/

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dm-madman:

clever: that would only work if your syslog was set up to log to console, wouldn't it?

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xtknight:

it appears to be loading tda8290 or tda18271 by install script, but nothing from them

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clever:

dm-madman: thats a pipe which ubuntu's syslog goes to by default

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xtknight:

no messages

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clever:

i cloned that part of the config to other systems

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dm-madman:

oh ok no ubuntu here

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Dagmar:

xtrknight: Screw the install script. It should be loading them *when the machine boots*

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dm-madman:

so has anyone tried this mythweb ?

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SHADOW__X:

xtknight do cat /dev/video0 > raw.mpg if thats the raw one it wont work /dev/video1 > enc.mpg should work and save it

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clever:

daemon.*;mail.*; news.err; *.=debug;*.=info; *.=notice;*.=warn |/dev/xconsole

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clever:

in /etc/syslog.conf

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clever:

and mkfifo /dev/xconsole before reloading syslog

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wagnerrp:

agh... mythtv-setup is not accepting the '-geometry' flag

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Dagmar:

dm-madman: You have to enable the flash player in mythweb's config

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Dagmar:

dm-madman: ...and you will probably need edit the conf file for that bit of the Apache config as well

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, ah ok that finaly gave me messages about firmware

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Dagmar:

dm-madman: It is not a point-and-shoot install

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dm-madman:

Dagmar : I have yet to try installing it, I was just curious of whether you could use it to watch recorded stuff. sounds like it will

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xtknight:

[44067.752205] Firmware and/or mailbox pointer not initialized or corrupted, signature = 0x7fffffc7, cmd = PING_FW [44067.753120] firmware: requesting v4l-cx23885-enc.fw

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Dagmar:

You oculd, but it's like watching crap on YouTube

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, and video0 gives me a big file

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dm-madman:

Dagmar: I have apache installed on another system on my network. can i use that server to do it somehow?

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dm-madman:

maybe using nfs shares or something

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Dagmar:

dm-madman: If you configure it to be able to access the MySQL server, probably so

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clever:

i had hacked up my flash player to work on nuv files

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clever:

and its fugly

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SHADOW__X:

xtknight try to play each file

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dm-madman:

is this something i could accomplish in 15–20 minutes or should i wait until i have a few hours to work with

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Dagmar:

Give it an hour

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dm-madman:

ok thanks

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clever:

the flash player uses ffmpeg to make the flv

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Dagmar:

...not much more htan that, but 15–20 minutes would only happen if you'd done it before

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clever:

and ffmpeg cant handle my .nuv files

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dm-madman:

it'll probably be even more compleicated since i wanna use a different machine for the web and myth backend anyway

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dm-madman:

*complicated

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clever:

just set it up like a slave frontend id think

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dm-madman:

i'll try later. hopefully you guys will be around to offer some help if/when i get stuck

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dm-madman:

thanks

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, well /dev/video1 gives me input/output error. the file from /dev/video0 doesn't work with mplayer

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xtknight:

says raw dv and can't find some audio codec, then quits

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Dagmar:

xtknight: Why are you even trying?

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Dagmar:

If the thing did not load the firmware, IT WON'T WORK.

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how much worth having the playback window inside the main page is anyway

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SHADOW__X:

xtknight video1 is encoder video0 is raw isntall tvtime and try that

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wagnerrp:

seems like it should open in a separate page, or at least have the option to

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, ok i will have to put in my other video card to test this, brb

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xtknight:

oh hold on. change of course. i reload my cx23385 module, cat video1 to raw2, and it plays

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xtknight:

but i see static

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xtknight:

it seems to be working tho

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xtknight:

i think i had to reload cx to get the firmware

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SHADOW__X:

did you modprobe cx23385 -r then modprobe cx23385 ?

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SHADOW__X:

ok well again video1 is encoder

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xtknight:

yeah i had done that

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xtknight:

well i will brb, rebooting just to be sure

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SHADOW__X:

k

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rk4n3:

Dagmar: long time no see :)

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, thx for hanging in there with me, i appreciate it. i put the other video card in so i can use tvtime. what video device did you give to tvtime?

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iamlindoro_:

xtknight: tvtime would only work with /dev/video0 on the 1800

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xtknight:

i see. i still get static in tvtime with /dev/video0

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xtknight:

tried all the ports

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iamlindoro_:

I would venture a guess that you had set the wrong frequency table, but then again, this ain't #tvtime

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xtknight:

yeah checked all that

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iamlindoro_:

well ya did *something* wrong. Static means that more or less the tuner is working fine, but your settings are wrong

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iamlindoro_:

best to seek help where they *do* support tvtime, ie not here

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wagnerrp:

you and your radical thinking...

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, logic is a cruel mistress :)

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xtknight:

i see vertical green/purple bars in myth

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I woulnd't say static means the tuner is working fine

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Dagmar:

I'd say it means the tuner isn't on a useful frequency.

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: ok, in *theory* working fine, ie permissions ok, device putting *some* information out

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xtknight:

but when it autoscans /dev/video0 it rushes through and adds every single channel from 1–125. that doesnt sound right does it?

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Dagmar:

The "why" of that could be a lot of different things.

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: the tuner being on the wrong frequency doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it

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xtknight:

i get a lot of this [ 1177.609140] format_by_fourcc(0x32315559) NOT FOUND

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Dagmar:

xtknight: Until you can get that card to tune in one channel sucessfully, there's no point in screwing with trying to make it work with Myth

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xtknight:

i was intending to try it with mythtv for a simple test, apparently that's not supported here at all

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Dagmar:

Dude.,

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Dagmar:

NOTHING about MythTV is "simple"

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iamlindoro_:

Myth support starts as soon as your tuner/any other random hardware is working in LINUX

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Dagmar:

You might as well be talking about a "simple" tax reform bill.

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iamlindoro_:

so get to that point and then we start helping

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xtknight:

sorry, i meant "tvtime for a simple test"

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SHADOW__X:

xtknight the reason its not working in myth are the settings your using

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SHADOW__X:

to use the raw video0 in myth you have to set up v4l device and /dev/video0

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, yea i am doing this right now. when it autoscans your /dev/video0 does it just rush through and add every single channel? for some reason i dont think mine is tuning properly, but i see static like on an old analog set

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xtknight:

that is in tvtime, at least, that i see static

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xtknight:

on myth i see green, i think it is just autodetecting the signal

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SHADOW__X:

eh i dont remember what it does

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SHADOW__X:

ill look at it now hold on

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, i dont mean to bother you too much but if you could post your dmesg that would be really helpful

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xtknight:

i am not sure what i should be seeing if the firmware is loading properly. the driver isnt too clear

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SHADOW__X:

lol on the analog side you arent much behind what i have gotten

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SHADOW__X:

in mythtv i get static

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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xtknight:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

i am not to bthered with the analog not working

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SHADOW__X:

digital is the way to go

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xtknight:

yea my digital provider provides very few unencrypted, unfortunately

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SHADOW__X:

have you scanned in myth for qam yet

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xtknight:

it works well and much easier tho

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xtknight:

ya qam256 unencrypted

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xtknight:

also got some 8vsb terrestrial, just that i dont have a great uhf setup here

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SHADOW__X:

lol if your lucky you can also get ondemand

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xtknight:

i have comcast

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SHADOW__X:

as do i

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xtknight:

ondemand huh?

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xtknight:

isnt that encrypted?

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SHADOW__X:

on qam you can get ondemand

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SHADOW__X:

nope

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xtknight:

weird i dont think i get it. i get some 480i shopping networks and 720/1080 locals

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xtknight:

i am not sure how ondemand would work here

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SHADOW__X:

hmm east coast or west or mid

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xtknight:

midwest

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SHADOW__X:

ah

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xtknight:

can you get any HD besides locals?

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SHADOW__X:

yup

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SHADOW__X:

well hd other than like abc and all that no

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SHADOW__X:

digital yes

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xtknight:

yea i think my comcast has me by the balls

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Anduin:

unencrypted on demand is vanishing (a good thing)

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xtknight:

oh i see

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xtknight:

i do get a few other digitals

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xtknight:

but no HD other than local

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SHADOW__X:

why is that a good thing

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SHADOW__X:

Anduin why is that good

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wagnerrp:

you cant watch other people's on-demand, other than that, its all bad

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wagnerrp:

well, rather other people cant watch your on-demand, but why should you care

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Anduin:

SHADOW__X: at the minimum, fewer false positives in the channel scan

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SHADOW__X:

ah i guess i just think its amusing to see what people are w atching on demand

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xtknight:

lol

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xtknight:

SHADOW__X, so your analog does work correctly with mythtv? you have cable plugged in to the coax in the middle?

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xtknight:

er

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xtknight:

tvtime

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SHADOW__X:

and xtknight my analog mpeg tuner will tune to a channel then display it in slowmotion

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xtknight:

ahh

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SHADOW__X:

in myth

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xtknight:

i think tihs driver is bugged

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psilocyde:

could i bug anyone to give me some guidanc choosing the hardware for my yet to be built myth server/client set up? I would like to use the hardware i have on hand as mutch as possilble

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SHADOW__X:

if you read the description is only on the way

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SHADOW__X:

they didnt say they had analog 100 percent

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xtknight:

yeah

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SHADOW__X:

bbl

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psilocyde:

dur i supose i should come up with that list of hardware first

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psilocyde:

lol

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psilocyde:

and thats going to take a while

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mkrufky:

i am a subscriber of Schedules Direct — is there somewhere on the website where i can view the XMLTV IDs of the channels in my lineup ?

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iamlindoro_:

hey mkrufky

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iamlindoro_:

press the "report"

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iamlindoro_:

next to the lineup

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iamlindoro_:

you know, that's the problem with mkrufky, he'd rather develop new linux drivers or build the next sweet hauppauge device than thank me for my half a second of effort.

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iamlindoro_:

sheesh!

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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sid3windr:

yeah, he sucks, he's lucky he helped me getting my dvb-t card to work with the right magic parameters or I'd have smacked him upside the head!

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sid3windr:

:>

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** sid3windr hugs mkrufky **

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iamlindoro_:

http://dictionary.reference.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=facetious

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sid3windr:

ack ;)

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rambo3:

how do i install firefox 3 from mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

Step one- Position traffic cone in the middle of room

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sid3windr:

pres up up up left up up star star x triangle up up left up up left left yellow red green ctrl help go enter

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iamlindoro_:

step two, remove all clothing

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iamlindoro_:

step three, engulf at least half of said cone with anus

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iamlindoro_:

repeat as necessary

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rambo3:

must have been a hurtfull expirince for you

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iamlindoro_:

I don't use firefox, I'm not into traffic cones

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wagnerrp:

yeah, he prefers broomsticks

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iamlindoro_:

amusingly, this method also installs the myth chess plugin

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iamlindoro_:

You also get the Beta version of MepoMyth

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rambo3:

what ever dude ,Freud called about slips

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iamlindoro_:

ah joomla_user, we never get tired of you

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rambo3:

i dont use joomla ffs , use drupal

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iamlindoro_:

mmhm

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rambo3:

joomla had so many exloits , like mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

exloit, eh? Is that like an ex-lax?

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wagnerrp:

i dont even know what joomla is

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: It's part of rambo3's other troll nick :)

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** sutula thinks it's time to purchase stock in Preparation H **

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iamlindoro_:

but don't worry, he speaks broken english no matter which he uses

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wagnerrp:

very well... back to recovering backups off dvd

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wagnerrp:

225GB transferred... only another 450GB to go

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iamlindoro_:

woohoo!

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wagnerrp:

im about a quarter of the way through a 200 DVD binder

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wagnerrp:

i foolishly decided it wasnt worth trying to recover a file system because i had everything backed up

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: External hard disk!

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wagnerrp:

well DVDs are ~$0.05/GB, while hard drives are still over $0.20/GB

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: DVD RW?

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wagnerrp:

just DVDRs

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wagnerrp:

these are bulk backups

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wagnerrp:

no reason to overwrite backups

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Dagmar:

0.18/Gb

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wagnerrp:

RWs are about twice the price of Rs, still cheaper than hard drives

[20:40:21]

wagnerrp:

but considerably more hassle

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Dagmar:

...and at these price points, you have to figure in your time as a cost

[20:40:53]

wagnerrp:

yeah... the hassle part

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Dagmar:

I generally figure my free time at about 0.33/mon

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Dagmar:

s/mon/min/;

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wagnerrp:

ive got 4 300GBs and another 2 80GBs just stacked up on my desk unused

[20:43:17]

wagnerrp:

i suppose i could get one of those hotswap external docks, and use them as backup storage

[20:43:43]

wagnerrp:

ive been looking for something to do with them

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Dagmar:

That's basically where I'm headed

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wagnerrp:

but theyre heavily used drives, so i cant rightfully sell them for any decent price

[20:44:17]

Dagmar:

Yay for SATA even being nominally hot-pluggbale, too

[20:44:30]

Dagmar:

Drives don't particularly degrade through use

[20:45:27]

Dagmar:

Continually being run in a warmer-than-need-be environment is bad for some, but most drives run their full lifespan regardless of everything except *vagaries in the electrical power*

[20:45:49]

Dagmar:

If your power is "unclean", you will have drives die earlier than normal.

[20:46:08]

wagnerrp:

well one was a boot drive for four years, but the rest have sat relatively idle in a cooled drive cage, except for the occasional array rebuild

[20:46:10]

Dagmar:

This is one of the data points you can get out of that NetApp study from last year

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Dagmar:

1.3 million drives involved.

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wagnerrp:

they have always been sitting on a UPS with voltage regulation

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Dagmar:

They6 even broke it down by model and line, although they anonymized htem because some of the things regularly started dropping like flies once the MTBF was up

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Dagmar:

...and I'm thinking that was probably to protect Maxtor

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wagnerrp:

do hard drives really have any sort of shelf life?

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wagnerrp:

i suppose theyll be function until either their silica packs get consumed, or their bearings dry out

[20:54:39]

** sutula has some 20M models that are clearly beyond their shelf life **

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sutula:

:)

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wagnerrp:

well thats because theres nothing to plug them into anymore

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wagnerrp:

and thats besides the fact that you can put it on the floor and subsequently use it as a shelf

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sutula:

I think they'd still work, though

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wagnerrp:

the question now is what would i format the disks as

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** sutula ponders what format the landfill uses **

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iamlindoro_:

MulchFS

[21:04:27]

iamlindoro_:

Same as Nina Reiser

[21:06:04]

wagnerrp:

'i didnt kill her, but i know where her body is buried....'

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Dagmar:

Whoa

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Dagmar:

Rough

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wagnerrp:

actually, i was trying to come up with some w.a.s.t.e. centered joke

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: hahaha, last person I expected to get it from :)

[21:06:40]

iamlindoro_:

Although I did expect to win the offcolor joke of the day award

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Dagmar:

Hey, he was wasteful

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Dagmar:

Russian women sell for good money on the internets.

[21:07:12]

wagnerrp:

w.a.s.t.e. = nullsoft encrypted P2P

[21:07:35]

wagnerrp:

although that wouldnt be storage, but rather transportation

[21:07:39]

Dagmar:

Ah yes, the entirely legal P2P network (because no one's using it for anything)

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Dagmar:

I wonder if Dr Waters realizes there's little point in telling us to jump to some other server, when we have no idea which server we're connected to in the first place.

[21:09:23]

wagnerrp:

?

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iamlindoro_:

netstat -a |grep freeno

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iamlindoro_:

I'm on kornbluth :)

[21:10:24]

wagnerrp:

i just checked my server tab... kornbluth here too

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Dagmar:

Oh!.. D'ja see I finally got the docs and template for ShrinkyDink badges up on the wiki

[21:10:31]

iamlindoro_:

yep, saw that

[21:10:39]

iamlindoro_:

"this article is useless without pictures" ;)

[21:10:55]

Dagmar:

Pix I have

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Dagmar:

I just gotta fish 'em out of the cameraphone

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iamlindoro_:

make with the postin then! :)

[21:11:10]

Dagmar:

They're just not, um, *good* pix

[21:11:20]

iamlindoro_:

ah

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Dagmar:

...cuz cameraphones suck at short distance

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iamlindoro_:

and long distance

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iamlindoro_:

and medium distance

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iamlindoro_:

and in anything short of supernova light

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Dagmar:

...and I have a man cave, so, low-light issues as well

[21:11:59]

Dagmar:

I had to pull TWO lamps over to get a "reasonably satisfactory" picture of the frontend hardware.

[21:12:07]

Dagmar:

...and I still don't think they topped 150W

[21:12:45]

Dagmar:

Turns out those multi-headed hydra-like lamps don't really work so well for providing additional light on demand for photography purposes when you put a bunch of 15W bulbs into them.

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Dagmar:

The things do look exactly like the logo tho

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rambo3:

ok, mythtv installer says now that i need to reboot windows

[21:14:07]

Dagmar:

rambo3: That's a detail you can keep to yourself.

[21:14:37]

Dagmar:

The windows port is only for people who like problems with no solution.

[21:14:54]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: Yeah, except he's not even running that, he just comes in to troll :)

[21:15:24]

iamlindoro_:

this is Mr. "Hey is Myth chess plugin done yet" and "How do I install Media Portal on Myth?"

[21:15:31]

Dagmar:

Ah that's right

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iamlindoro_:

but eventually he goes back under the bridge

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wagnerrp:

quick, feed him to the goat

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mkrufky:

i was in a meeting

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mkrufky:

thank you for the effort, iamlindoro_

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: ;) Any time, dude

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mkrufky:

lets see if it works.......

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mcquaid:

i dealt with this before but since doing a fresh install, i'm having this issue again. my myth box doesn't have the biggest harddrive. it had about 1.2 gigs free, now it only has 80 megs free. I cleared the logs (it's not that). I believe it's the autobackups of the db

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mkrufky:

yay1

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mcquaid:

where are they stored? and how do I stop them from being made automatically?

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iamlindoro_:

mcquaid: the DB isn't backed up automatically (except very recently during DB schema changes, and those go in the recordings dir with .sql extensions). If you are backing up the DB more regularly than that, then it's w/ a script of your own and so it's anyone's guess

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mcquaid:

iamlindoro, ok thx. hmm i know i had this issue of more and more space being taken up by myth and I disabled something and it stopped, i thought i recalled it was the auto db backup but maybe it was something else

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iamlindoro_:

you can read "man du" do figure out *exactly* where the space is used, though

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mcquaid:

heh, ya i didn't want to do du on the whole drive ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Why not? Should be a few seconds

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mcquaid:

this box is only used for myth, can't see what else is taking the space. obviously the recordings are on another part so it's not that

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Dagmar:

How about this

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mcquaid:

not on this old clunker ;) well i'll probably use kdirstat or something a little more easier on the eyes

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Dagmar:

Figure out where your disk space is going, THEN ask for help about it

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Dagmar:

http://kdirstat.sourceforge.net/

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wagnerrp:

well kdirstat is effectively the same as running du

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wagnerrp:

you still have to scan the whole drive

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iamlindoro_:

but it has MOAR PICTUYRZ

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wagnerrp:

although its not like you can figure out where the space if going without scanning the whole drive

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mcquaid:

ya it is. it's just i end up running du multiple times sometimes to take in the data. forget how to parse the data so it only shows the total value and not all the files using du

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mcquaid:

i guess i jumped the gun, cause on my last install, it was myth taking up the space more and more each day

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: No, only people who have never used kdirstat would say that

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mcquaid:

i'm in ubuntu so maybe it's packages have auto backup configured or something

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wagnerrp:

if you run it once, the stats on all the subdirectories are cached by the OS

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wagnerrp:

so it takes next to no time to run it again

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rambo3:

no i get back to work , we have nothing to do

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Dagmar:

The both scan the whole disk, but du generally fails to tell you anything other than very coarse summary information.

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wagnerrp:

ive not used kdirstat, but ive used the similar function in konqueror

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Dagmar:

The dirtree view kdirstat and windirstat use freaking "solve the problem" with extreme prejudicce.

[21:25:51]

Dagmar:

If you can't figure out where your disk space is going in under five minutes using either of those, it's time to get back on the short bus and go home.

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mcquaid:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i have a copy of windirstat floating around on my file server somewhere

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clever:

i use 'du --max=1|sort -n' alot

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clever:

and cd into whatever looks like the problem and repeat

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clever:

-x also helps to limit it to a single fs

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Dagmar:

I use it on my WinXp box regularly

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Dagmar:

It's amazing the places that dumbass OS squirrels away things

[21:26:50]

wagnerrp:

but yeah, if you cant figure out where all your file space is going in under 5 minutes using du, you should still get on the shortbus

[21:26:53]

clever:

Dagmar: another usefull thing to find disk space, i can use dpkg-query to spew all installed packages, sorted by installed-size

[21:27:08]

clever:

then i can pick&ripout the fat things like openoffice

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Good luck getting du to quickly show you something that's seven levels down from your /

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Dagmar:

clever: Again, what you talk about is only distantly related to anything going on

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wagnerrp:

well like i said, once you scan it once, its all cached and you dont have to scan again

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clever:

Dagmar: im talking about tracking down your disk space usage

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wagnerrp:

you just start CD-ing through the tree until you get the bad directory

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clever:

which is what you seem to be talking about

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clever:

wagnerrp: yep same here

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Dagmar:

clever: Since when do your installed packages contribute a significant amount of data to anything anywhere near a MythTV box?

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clever:

Dagmar: the installed pakacges could be a problem if you have a tiny / and a seperate raid/lvm array for recordings

[21:29:20]

clever:

for example my mysql db for mythtv has a 2gig / which kills mysql if it fills

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clever:

even though the database itself isnt on /

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Dagmar:

So, basically if you did a half-assed job

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clever:

i was in a rush when i put that box together months ago

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clever:

and didnt delete the fat32 with win98

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clever:

i just cleared 2gig out and resized it to fit ubuntu on the side

[21:30:07]

wagnerrp:

well my ports distfiles directory seems to have been very recently deleted, but ive seen it as large as 4GB

[21:30:08]

Dagmar:

Either way, you've again come up with an extremely labor intensive way to solve 5% of the problem

[21:30:15]

wagnerrp:

my portage distfiles directory is currently 1.7GB

[21:30:32]

Dagmar:

You have got to get the hang of elegant solutions someday

[21:30:46]

Dagmar:

Even if it's by accident it's just got to happen at some point. Law of averages.

[21:30:50]

clever:

i have my ccache folder shared between all systems

[21:30:52]

clever:

its up to 1.2gig

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clever:

yeah alot of my fixes are a bit ugly

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iamlindoro_:

I'm telling you. Apple Campus Summer Camp. Go. Soon.

[21:31:21]

Dagmar:

You know this stuff compounds, right?

[21:31:35]

Dagmar:

Like, one ugly hack plus one ugly hack doesn't equal two ugly hacks.

[21:31:42]

Dagmar:

Undoing it is the work of five ugly hacks.

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: apple doesnt teach you the elegent method, they teach you the apple method

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wagnerrp:

its one big ugly hack, covered up by a nice pretty gui

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Dagmar:

Apple switched to using a Gentoo core?

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iamlindoro_:

With due respect, and surely people will disagree, but I think Apple stuff is damn elegant in form *and* function

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Dagmar:

I like 'em just because they write and distribute RFCs for new protocols/mechanisms BEFORE shipping a product to market.

[21:33:59]

wagnerrp:

perhaps... ive become disillusioned after recently attempting to use iTunes, giving up, and reverting to winamp to manage an iPod

[21:34:12]

Dagmar:

mDNS/Rendezvous == WIN

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Dagmar:

Microsoft's 169.254.x protocol == excuses after the fact

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wagnerrp:

i was disappointed to find that gnome NetworkManager adopted the same behavior

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Dagmar:

Which behaviour

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wagnerrp:

the 169.254 address, in lack of a DHCP server

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Dagmar:

It does *both* those things, which is fine, since now they're all nice and documented

[21:37:04]

wagnerrp:

i mean a 169 address is no better than a 0.0.0.0 address, because they both mean something is wrong and you should go fix it

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clever:

i think ive seen xp doing that too

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wagnerrp:

right, XP is where i first saw that

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Dagmar:

It's only been doing it since XP came out

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wagnerrp:

and then later i saw NetworkManager doing it too

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Dagmar:

So, seven years or so

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro you here

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** mkrufky chuckles **

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iamlindoro_:

nope

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Dagmar:

There's good reason for having the 169 network

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mkrufky:

.....when i fix my master backend, is there a way for me to convert this TEMPORARY master backend to a slave backend without losing data?

[21:40:41]

SHADOW__X:

oh alright when you get back please let me know

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Dagmar:

I just don't agree with Microsoft having a product to market before approaching IANA about making that usage formal for what was otherwise a reserved netblock.

[21:40:53]

mkrufky:

(my backend crashed last night, so i slapped one together instead of sleeping)

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: I am in and out, at work currently. You can ask but it may be a while in answering (or others might beat me to it)

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SHADOW__X:

alright sounds good iamlindoro_

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SHADOW__X:

hey mkrufky

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mkrufky:

since i never got an email from you, SHADOW__X, i assume your problems were all magically fixed by iamlindoro

[21:42:09]

SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ how do i test the cable box to see if firewire works

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wagnerrp:

mkrufky: yeah, just change the backend ip, and start both backend back up

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: there is a whole, comprehensive page on the myth wiki

[21:42:46]

SHADOW__X:

mkrufky heh sorry man i stayed up all night that day then went out with my gf it does the slow motion now in myth using it as a mpeg encoder

[21:42:52]

mkrufky:

nice, so the data remains stored in separate databases, wagnerrp?

[21:43:01]

SHADOW__X:

oh alright cool thanks iamlindoro_

[21:43:05]

wagnerrp:

i moved my primary backend from a combined box, to my file server and thats all i did

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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wagnerrp:

two databases?

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: If you get as far as firewire_tester and can't get a stabilized signal then you are out of luck

[21:43:47]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: There is not easy" way for that

[21:43:50]

iamlindoro_:

er no "easy"

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mkrufky:

wagnerrp: my (only) backend died last night ... i think it will need a new motherboard. so i installed mythbackend on my dedicated frontend box, to hold me over until i buy a new machine

[21:44:02]

mkrufky:

heh... i had a feeling, iamlindoro

[21:44:04]

mkrufky:

oh well

[21:44:05]

iamlindoro_:

you would need to back up the recorded tables, and concatenate them with those tables on the new backend

[21:44:06]

wagnerrp:

you created a new database for the temporary backend, and want to merge the recordings since last night back into the old one?

[21:44:13]

mkrufky:

this was the best timeof year for it to crash, anyway

[21:44:22]

Dagmar:

Not a damn thing on

[21:44:26]

mkrufky:

yeah

[21:44:29]

mkrufky:

and yes, wagnerrp

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Dagmar:

AMusingly, that's part of the reason I selected this time of year for a massive reorg of my technology deployment at home

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mkrufky:

*or* ... i might actually move the drives from the old backend into the new one and try to import the old DB

[21:45:02]

wagnerrp:

i know there is a way to import recordings, but i dont know how to offhand

[21:45:08]

iamlindoro_:

When is the part of the summer where Dagmar decrypts cable? :)

[21:45:32]

mkrufky:

it'll probably involve the table backup / restore like iamlindoro suggested

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wagnerrp:

someone was talking about such a thing a few days ago

[21:45:50]

mkrufky:

we dont need to decrypt cable anymore, iamlindoro

[21:45:54]

mkrufky:

;-)

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iamlindoro_:

I likes the perfect I does

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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wagnerrp:

mkrufky: digital cable > digital to analog to HDPVR back-to digital

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iamlindoro_:

Then again, if I cared about perfect picture I wouldn't have Comcast :)

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mkrufky:

yeah, i know wagnerrp... just sayin'

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freedumMan:

hey guys does anyone have the HP-avc-3610 working with mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

freedumMan: Does anyone have it working with linux? Go find out. If they do, then you can come back and ask that question

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wagnerrp:

we dont NEED it, but we still want it

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_dustybin:

do these home plug ethernet convertors work?

[21:53:26]

_dustybin:

http://linitx.com/viewcategory.php?catid=112&pp=112

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, they work. Slow, bu they work

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wagnerrp:

home plug... power line?

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iamlindoro_:

Their advertised speeds presume lab-perfect conditions, which is seldom/never the case

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_dustybin:

85Mbps isnt too bad?

[21:54:37]

_dustybin:

oh i see

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iamlindoro_:

85 Mbps isn't what you'll get

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_dustybin:

what about this

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_dustybin:

http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11302

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_dustybin:

what about this

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_dustybin:

200 Mbps

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iamlindoro_:

How about some cat 5 and some elbow grease?

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_dustybin:

hehe

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iamlindoro_:

everything I just said is still true even on the *cough* 200 Mbit product

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wagnerrp:

1000ft of cat6, a crimp tool, and some terminators runs about $200

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_dustybin:

if i can get 100Mbps out of the 200Mbps version

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_dustybin:

then thats pretty good

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wagnerrp:

do realize that that is total bandwidth on the circuit

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_dustybin:

oh

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wagnerrp:

its like using a hub, rather than a switch

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iamlindoro_:

and *only* if you have perfect wiring, no parallel runs with other cables, etc.

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iamlindoro_:

if you have any problems, parallel runs, etc., you can expect it to be cut even further

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wagnerrp:

you have 200mbps of TOTAL bandwidth

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ i got a dct 3200 btw

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Dagmar:

Assuming no one in the house turns on a blender, hair dryer, or microwave oven.

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: ok, that's fine

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_dustybin:

one of those plugs wouldnt be good for streaming h.264 from backend to frontend?

[21:58:04]

wagnerrp:

so if you have bi-directional transfers, its only half speed

[21:58:20]

wagnerrp:

four machines running all out, you only get 50mbps each

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iamlindoro_:

jesus _dustybin, haven't you been idling in here lng enough to know that the codec means diddly dick?

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_dustybin:

hehe

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iamlindoro_:

codec has no bearing whatsoever on bitrate, and that's all that matters when you're passing it over the network

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

im tired :P

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iamlindoro_:

jesus, that's like asking your network throughput in Word documents per fortnight

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dustybin:

lol

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dustybin:

all my efforts are on LFS at the moment

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dustybin:

binutils and GCC ftw

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wagnerrp:

are we talking suicide or ransom note sized word document?

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iamlindoro_:

Which means you belong to the clever school of WTF

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wagnerrp:

and from what version of word?

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iamlindoro_:

now is for hometime

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SHADOW__X:

the wiki page confused me i did plugreport but i dont know what to do

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ so i installed plugreport and i have some info

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SHADOW__X:

i dont understand plugctl

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trekdanne:

where can i find a list of supported remote controls?

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Dagmar:

They are '*'

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Dagmar:

Look on the lirc.org site

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Dagmar:

Basically, anything with a file in http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/lirc/lircr . . . 0.1.1.tar.gz

[22:10:40]

Dagmar:

...or anything you can make a file for.

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Dagmar:

I would suggest sticking with models other people specifically recommend unless you're interested in learning all about how IR signaling works.

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gbee_:

ticket of the week http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5531

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EvilGuru:

gbee_: "Please assiat" haha

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wagnerrp:

ive never heard of the brand 'creatix' before... must be a Chinese knockoff

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wagnerrp:

posting the link was just too much for his connection

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: The real deal it would seem http://www.creatix.com/

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wagnerrp:

wow! not just a fake creative...

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Dagmar:

"I let my tuner card pick channels once and all it did was show reruns of Columbo."

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ ya there

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Dagmar:

Man, I feel cheated

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Dagmar:

Apparently Jesse Jackson said something or other that was "Crude & Hurtful" about Obama, and all CNN is saying is literally "Crude & Hurtful comments"

[22:17:03]

Dagmar:

I want to hear those "crude & hurtful" things every 10 minutes, ad nauseam, like it's been with Imus and everyone else.

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Dagmar:

Hell, they practically had "NAPPY HEADED WHORES" on the screen in letters three inches tall for Imus

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Dagmar:

What kind of shoddy yellow journalism is this?

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wagnerrp:

well thats because imus was racially motivated

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wagnerrp:

race is never factored into any jesse jackson has to say

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: You can skip the plugctl portion, you don't need to do it. firewire_tester is the next step

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iamlindoro:

figure out what node number your firewire tuner is on, and try, in order:

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iamlindoro:

firewire_tester -n nodenumber -p -r 5

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iamlindoro:

firewire_tester -n nodenumber -b -r 5

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iamlindoro:

firewire_tester -n nodenumber -B -r 5

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iamlindoro:

if none of those work, change the channel to a network tv channel like NBC and try them all again

[22:20:56]

iamlindoro:

if none of *those* work then you are out of luck w/ your provider

[22:21:07]

iamlindoro:

and by change the channel I mean actually change it on the STB

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iamlindoro:

If you get successful results with network TV, you can try expanding to other channels to get a sense of which channels are not 5C encrypted

[22:22:31]

iamlindoro:

but very generally speaking, if you don't get network TV, you won't get anything

[22:22:33]

iamlindoro:

and if you do get network TV, you may not get anything else

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SHADOW__X:

well since i was stuff i plugged it into a windows comp installed a driver

[22:22:59]

SHADOW__X:

and some channels are working some arent

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iamlindoro:

pretty common

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mkrufky:

my new backend is physically next the the cablebox — now i have no excuse not to finally try firewire

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SHADOW__X:

but whats weird right now its hooked up to a tv through rca and when i cant record a channel the tv goes black

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SHADOW__X:

is that regular

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SHADOW__X:

?

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iamlindoro:

The "average" user will get about what they get via QAM. very very lucky users (and here I mean me ;) ) get everything

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: you need to be more clear

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wagnerrp:

those are the class of user that they call 'bastards'

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iamlindoro:

i have no idea what you are talking about

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** iamlindoro records some HBO HD just to spite wagnerrp ;) **

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iamlindoro:

that's not to say that the occasional program doesn't get 5C turned on, irritating the shit out of me

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SHADOW__X:

lol iamlindoro nbc and all that was workign but i changed the channel to discovery and the tv went blank and it didnt record anything

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SHADOW__X:

alright i need to compile firewire tester

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: Are you talking about your box, totally seperate from the computer?

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iamlindoro:

if so, I have no idea how your box on your headend is set to behave

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SHADOW__X:

k

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SHADOW__X:

so how do i get firewire test er

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SHADOW__X:

?

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SHADOW__X:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/contrib

[22:27:08]

SHADOW__X:

i am there but puzzled

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iamlindoro:

by reading the wiki which has complete instructions, thereby not irritating the shit out of me?

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright sorry about that

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iamlindoro:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ire_tester.c

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SHADOW__X:

sorry about that and thank you

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iamlindoro:

scroll to the bottom-- if you can't figure out how to download it, let me know and I'll come to your house and beat you to death with a claw hammer, thus preserving the gene pool

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SHADOW__X:

well that wasnt really necessary

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iamlindoro:

necessary and hilarious ratrely go hand in hand

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iamlindoro:

er rarely

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mkrufky:

SHADOW__X: u gotta let us have with with it, else its too boring for those in the know to help those that aren't

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iamlindoro:

Let's hug it out, bitches

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SHADOW__X:

lol alright

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** iamlindoro hugs it out **

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SHADOW__X:

i am used to irc banter

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SHADOW__X:

so uh it wont compile

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SHADOW__X:

maybe i am doing something stupid

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iamlindoro:

if you have all the libraries the wiki told you to install, and used the compile command line it tells you to, it should compile fine

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SHADOW__X:

but no compile and cvs wont let me check it out so i saved it through firefox then did it that way

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iamlindoro:

erm.... like I said, did you scroll to the *bottom* of the page I linked?

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iamlindoro:

Where is says "download original version?:

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** iamlindoro looks across the condo at his hammer **

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** SHADOW__X runs **

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** sutula thinks this channel is a reality TV show **

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** iamlindoro wonders which character he is **

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iamlindoro:

I'm like the antagonist AND the protagonist!

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SHADOW__X:

hehe iamlindoro it worked

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SHADOW__X:

it worked

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iamlindoro:

like the... erm... troubled hero!

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** iamlindoro throws a hammer at new kersey **

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iamlindoro:

er jersey

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mkrufky:

i dont worek in jersey anymore

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mkrufky:

i dont work there, either ;-)

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iamlindoro:

good thing I'm not throwing at you But who knows, I might miss and hit new york

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mkrufky:

yeah, i'm about to drive to new york now

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mkrufky:

screw this island — im out

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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mkrufky:

l8r guys

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro when i run firewiretest to stablizie its successful

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: That will be the case when the STB is tuned to any capturable program

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SHADOW__X:

ok so then should i add it in myth now

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SHADOW__X:

?

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iamlindoro:

you can do what you like-- you are going to have to learn which channels are always 5C through trial and error

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iamlindoro:

just know that if you are running liveTV and switch to a channel that is 5C, very bad things can happen (often requiring a backend restart)

[22:51:43]

SHADOW__X:

ok so then how do i test for 5c channels is there a way other than livetv

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iamlindoro:

so what I'm telling you is, I wouldn't use it as your promary tuner until you are very very sure which channels are *always* 5C, which ones are *never* 5C, and more painfully, which ones are *sometimes* 5C

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: You can switch channels, run firewire tester, switch channels again, etc.

[22:52:11]

SHADOW__X:

oh ok

[22:52:18]

SHADOW__X:

lol sounds like quite the evening

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iamlindoro:

yup

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iamlindoro:

if a channel is 5C, you will see "sync failed" when running firewire_tester

[22:52:49]

iamlindoro:

and, technically speaking, channels aren't 5C, programs are

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SHADOW__X:

k

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iamlindoro:

so you may have what seems like a good channel right now, only to find that it's usually 5C later

[22:53:13]

iamlindoro:

it's a pain in the arse

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SHADOW__X:

lol sweet

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SHADOW__X:

firewire_tester -B -n 2

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SHADOW__X:

do i run that to test each channel

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SHADOW__X:

that stabilizies the broadcast

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iamlindoro:

if your box is on node 2, sure... although I personally would add -r 5

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SHADOW__X:

so wouldnt that let me know if the broadcast is good

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SHADOW__X:

ok

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iamlindoro:

you are using the wrong terms

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iamlindoro:

broadcast in this sense is not what you think it is

[22:56:00]

iamlindoro:

There are two methods of *communicating* with the box, p2p or broadcast. All the -B means in this case is that you are using the broadcast communication method

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SHADOW__X:

oh ok

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SHADOW__X:

p2p is more direct

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SHADOW__X:

right

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iamlindoro:

no

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SHADOW__X:

oh

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iamlindoro:

just don't worry about it

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iamlindoro:

your box uses broadcast mode, the end

[22:56:41]

iamlindoro:

that's all you need to know

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SHADOW__X:

lol aww but i wanna learn

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iamlindoro:

you can run that command line on each channel to determine if it is 5C at this exact moment in time, that's all

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iamlindoro:

then READ

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SHADOW__X:

alright alright ya know i have been READING each thing you say

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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iamlindoro:

then GOOGLE

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iamlindoro:

and read AFTER that

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victor__:

does anyone know why i get 0% signal and no lock for myth Tv even though all my TV TUNER DRIVERS AND FIRMWARE ARE LOADED??

[22:58:46]

selmanj:

victor__: no need to yell! we can read what yuo type just fine!

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iamlindoro:

victor__: You've been coming in for two days asking the same generic question, having been told each time that you need to specify *real* information like tuner card type, location in the world, frequency table, what you are trying to tune, etc...

[22:59:14]

iamlindoro:

so maybe *next* time you leave in a huff and come back, you won't repeat the same damn question

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selmanj:

victor__: seriously more information and we can help you

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selmanj:

(possibly)

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victor__:

ok, i have a KWorld ATSC 120 and its chipset is connexant 23800

[23:01:34]

iamlindoro:

can yes, will ok... now give us the rest of the info

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victor__:

I'm tuning ATSC broadcast channels

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iamlindoro:

like what frequency table you used, and which modulation

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iamlindoro:

and whether you are scanning or actually trying to watch TV

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victor__:

i was scanning for channels i get the response TIMEOUT: ATSC CHANNEL 2 — No tables

[23:02:45]

victor__:

with no lock and 0% signal

[23:02:53]

iamlindoro:

answer the questions I asked

[23:02:58]

iamlindoro:

"iamlindoro: like what frequency table you used, and which modulation"

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victor__:

I used a broadcast frequency table

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iamlindoro:

*a* broadcast, or us-bcast?

[23:04:09]

victor__:

US-BCAST

[23:04:21]

iamlindoro:

now we're getting specific, and I'd knock off the yelling

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iamlindoro:

anyway, correct so far

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iamlindoro:

modulation?

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victor__:

what do u mean by modulation?

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iamlindoro:

I mean the words in the box next to "modulation" when you scanned

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victor__:

terrestrial (8-VSB)

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iamlindoro:

also, you should probably try a scan with the dvb-utils "scan" utility to see if your card lock on channels

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victor__:

i'll try that now then

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iamlindoro:

something like "scan -u /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB" ; should work, although the tuning file may be somewhere different for you

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iamlindoro:

if it can't lock on anything there, it's not a myth problem, you shold check #linuxtv

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victor__:

i get tuning failed

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iamlindoro:

there's no way you have waited through an entire scan yet

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victor__:

as of right now

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iamlindoro:

tuning failed just means there is nothing on that channel

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iamlindoro:

if they're *all* tuning failed, then you need to go to #linuxtv and get it sorted in linux first, and it will work fine in myth

[23:09:08]

iamlindoro:

anyway, your setup otherwise sounds correct

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sid3windr:

ne2k__: I just iperfed my ethernet-over-power, am getting 18.6Mbit total

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sid3windr:

(if one sends it takes bw off the 18 of the other)

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victor__:

thanks for your help so far

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sid3windr:

not very impressive, but I have shitty power here.

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sid3windr:

:/

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iamlindoro:

np

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selmanj:

man i wish i knew a place i could buy ethernet over power just to test it

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** selmanj hates having his mythtv backend on WIRELESS D: **

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selmanj:

not that EoP would be that much better

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sid3windr:

how much end-to-end bandwidth do you have on that wifi?

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SHADOW__X:

selmanj use wireless n then

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selmanj:

supposed to be 802.11g, but the gf wont let me run cable for the hub so it's sittin in the office which is just far enoguh away from the backend that it runs like shit

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: You dig him up a nice linux compatible n chipst, then

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sid3windr:

are there any N cards supported under linux?

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selmanj:

man i dont want to buy n until its out of draft mode

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SHADOW__X:

intel

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sid3windr:

selmanj: yeah, but g means it's max 54/2=27

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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sid3windr:

and then that's theoretical ;)

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selmanj:

iperf gets 1.5Mb/s on it

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sid3windr:

I'll check out wifi if it turns out this 18Mbit can't do NFS mounted mythbackend+streaming

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sid3windr:

Mb or MB?

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selmanj:

Mb

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: only if you have it built into your laptop

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sid3windr:

1.5Mb I'd get my dog to run printed packets around :/

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clever:

i got about 300kbyte/sec on wifi B, just bearly enough for sdtv

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: not going to help him since he needs to add it to a real system

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro: there are minipci to pci cards ;)

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clever:

wifi g is plenty

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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selmanj:

its not stable enough is the real problem tho

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sid3windr:

(but then you 'll need a laptop antenna)

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selmanj:

drops on and off the network

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** selmanj is thinking abotu buying a stronger base station **

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clever:

yeah my b card did that constantly

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clever:

even with 90% signal

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clever:

from a look at the source code i think it was some kind of timeout

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selmanj:

or convincing my gf to let me run cable for it

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selmanj:

but i think buying a base station would be easier :)

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sid3windr:

get a cable-compatible gf

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sid3windr:

:p

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sid3windr:

make sure you check the system requirements before taking her in :>

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clever:

sid3windr: take her for a test drive

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selmanj:

also i swear it runs pretty well over no encryption, but using wpa makes it unstable

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** selmanj hates wireless in linux **

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clever:

sid3windr: http://iputatextonimage.com/?p=857

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sid3windr:

lol

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clever:

dont get caught in that trap:P

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selmanj:

oh no way they make pink ethernet cable

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selmanj:

this might be enough to convince her!

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clever:

just run 3 cables and let her braid them:P

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clever:

get some extra twists in the twisted pair!

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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selmanj:

haha

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Dagmar:

Don't make me lecture you people about turn radius again

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Dagmar:

Don't braid ethernet.

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clever:

Dagmar: just make it a loose braid:P

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clever:

or make your own twisted pair from loose wires braided up

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro get out the advil

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SHADOW__X:

so

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

how do i tell the 3200 to change channels suing mythtv

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Dagmar:

Clever: theres' this thing called "velcro" that I hear they've invented that sticks to itself

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iamlindoro:

you tell it it's a 3200 in the firewire setup, myth will do the channel changes automatically

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SHADOW__X:

really

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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clever:

Dagmar: that isnt something the wife will find pretty:P

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SHADOW__X:

freaking sweet

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Dagmar:

In theory, someone could buy that and, I dunno, fashion it into strips of some kind and use it to bundle wires together

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clever:

all you need is 1 wire

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clever:

but the extra 2 let your wife braid it up

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clever:

trick her into thinking its art

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Dagmar:

Now,, I don't know if this "velcro" is going to possibly stick to the walls or remove paint, but it might mean that if you have to replace a cable or add a cable you don't have to REDO THE ENTIRE RUN.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

3 cords is plenty

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Dagmar:

Trust the man who has done over 100 cable drops this year already

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

they are a pain

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clever:

ive got 2 in my basement

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clever:

i just stuck a linksys router at the end to split the thing

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clever:

the celeing is fiberglass tiles

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sid3windr:

so why don't they make cables out of velcro! they'd just stick to eachother all by themselves!

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clever:

i can just lift them up and run more lines

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Dagmar:

sid3winder: Because the last thing I want to see is 1000 feet of fuzzy caterpillar

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sid3windr:

:D

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

Imagine what a nightmare untangling it would be if it stuck to itself.

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sid3windr:

yeah it would be fun getting it out of the box

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sid3windr:

um

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sid3windr:

untangling it without sticking to itself is bad enough indeed :P

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clever:

that too

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Dagmar:

http://mistywindow.net/wp-content/uploads/200 . . . ble-wall.jpg

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clever:

but some of my cords allready stick together

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clever:

spilled pop

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Dagmar:

^-- not MY noc

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clever:

Dagmar: lol

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clever:

ive seen similar pics before online

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro there is a channel that worked under firewire test but in myth its nto really working is that me being dumb

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SHADOW__X:

?

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Dagmar:

clever: There's better ones

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Dagmar:

Like http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2331/180859611 . . . 69af.jpg?v=0

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sid3windr:

I'm off to bed, g'night :)

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Dagmar:

That man is just one lawnmower away from a "TEH NETWORK IS DOWN!" condition

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: not really working or not working at all? Also, like I said, 5C is per-program, not per channel. IT could very well be that the current program is 5C

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Dagmar:

...or http://www.elitesolutions.info/site%20images/ . . . 0445-001.jpg <-- "the network is gay"

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Dagmar:

Hey that's probably some of that velcro stuff!

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SHADOW__X:

but if i exit out of myth and do the firewire test its a success

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Dagmar:

Why lookie there!

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: dunno what to tell you, sounds like it should work, I never have any such problems so it's likely some funkiness on your part

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Man they even mark the commercials 5C around here.

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Dagmar:

Expecting that is like expecting that the MPAA isn't going to use SOC to turn off composite on everything everyone airs

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: well they wouldn't want you sharing all that precious annoyance on the tubes! :)

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SHADOW__X:

ok iamlindoro thanks they are still pushing updates to the box so maybe its that not all my channels are here yet

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iamlindoro:

doubtful

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Not to mention it would be really convenient to have a box just record *only* the 5C'd parts of a program

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iamlindoro:

since you would get "sync failed" or just "failed" on a channel you don't get

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SHADOW__X:

also iamlindoro can i get another dct 3200 and daisy chain it from this one

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: yes

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SHADOW__X:

sweet

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SHADOW__X:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: You need to take care of the Digicipher II for me :)

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SHADOW__X:

i think i am learning slowly iamlindoro but learning none the less

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iamlindoro:

just so long as we're always moving forward, I suppose

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SHADOW__X:

hey i dont think i am moving like a snail here

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iamlindoro:

that's because I'm behind you with a riding crop and copious wiki links

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SHADOW__X:

also iamlindoro how does ondemand work with this

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iamlindoro:

ask yourself how much firewire you'd be tuning if I wasn't giving you a hard time

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SHADOW__X:

none

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iamlindoro:

remove the "how" in your question, and then the answer is "none"

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iamlindoro:

er "it doesn't"

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Dagmar:

It is through pain that we attain growth

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Dagmar:

...and eventually, revenge.

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SHADOW__X:

i know and i appreciate guidance and much push

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