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| [00:21:01] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [00:21:22] | Hilikus: | i have noise in my audio channel but only on the right one, what can be causing that? |
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| [00:37:24] | _genuser_: | hello people.s |
| [00:37:55] | _genuser_: | I am currently trying to run mythtv. My main problem was with db access failing. |
| [00:38:31] | _genuser_: | is there a way where mythtv or mythvideo specifically would run without mysql? |
| [00:38:44] | iamlindoro: | No, myth requires mysql. |
| [00:39:10] | _genuser_: | ok, for even the mythvideo part? or mythvideo requires since it's a plugin for mythtv? |
| [00:39:21] | iamlindoro: | yes, even for mythvideo |
| [00:40:04] | _genuser_: | ok. then I'll try to debug it. Installing mysql separately and configuring it. Now installing mythtv. |
| [00:40:35] | _genuser_: | mysql part it running fine. :) |
| [00:40:56] | _genuser_: | as long as myth runs using lirc, it's cool. :) thanks for your help. :) |
| [00:41:47] | _genuser_: | bye all. thanks :) |
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| [02:17:24] | phunyguy: | aloha friends |
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| [02:20:59] | webvictim: | it's late :O |
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| [03:29:49] | waxhead: | hi everyone... |
| [03:30:00] | waxhead: | cool! i got my nick back... |
| [03:31:33] | Sedorox: | regsiter it? |
| [03:32:14] | waxhead: | I guess I could... |
| [03:32:47] | waxhead: | hmm... maybe someone else already has... |
| [03:32:59] | waxhead: | that sucks.. had this silly nick for years! |
| [03:34:50] | Sedorox: | you might be able to talk to an admin about dropping it.. as it hasn't been used in 2 years |
| [03:34:58] | waxhead: | nope.. I must have registered it... |
| [03:35:22] | waxhead: | at least the password is accepted... |
| [03:35:47] | waxhead: | not sure what it means though.. do I login into freenode with that name and password now? |
| [03:36:10] | Sedorox: | you can.. at least into nickserv |
| [03:36:34] | Sedorox: | now if you lost connection..a nd join back.. you can ghost the nick to get it back |
| [03:36:37] | Sedorox: | same if someone else took it |
| [03:36:59] | waxhead: | cool... |
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| [04:01:45] | bleck: | hey, i'm using mythtv with jack streaming audio, which all works... problem is, when it starts mplayer automatically connects to the system out, rather than through the mixer, so it's at like 1000dbs and nearly deafens me. |
| [04:01:56] | bleck: | any idea how to get mplayer to not automatically connect its outputs |
| [04:02:25] | wagnerrp: | change the command line used to call it |
| [04:02:51] | bleck: | wagnerrp: do you know where i could find that? |
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| [04:03:16] | waxhead: | on debian, what package has the visualisations for music playback? |
| [04:04:35] | bleck: | waxhead: usually they are associated with a program are they not? |
| [04:05:03] | wagnerrp: | bleck, frontend --> utilities --> setup --> media settings --> videos settings --> player settings |
| [04:05:23] | wagnerrp: | change the line for the default video player to add '-ao jack' |
| [04:05:42] | waxhead: | bleck: i guess so... not really sure how mythtv keeps it all together... |
| [04:05:51] | bleck: | aah, thanks |
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| [04:06:05] | wagnerrp: | the visualizations are built into mythmusic |
| [04:06:12] | wagnerrp: | but they rely on fftw |
| [04:06:29] | wagnerrp: | try fftw3 |
| [04:06:31] | waxhead: | wagnerrp: I don't get the visualisations showing up though... |
| [04:07:37] | waxhead: | wagnerrp: hmm.. apt-get install mythmusic installed some stuff... |
| [04:07:49] | waxhead: | running mythbuntu here... |
| [04:07:59] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt have done anything if you already had mythmusic installed |
| [04:08:10] | wagnerrp: | ive never tried mythbuntu |
| [04:08:21] | waxhead: | wagnerrp: that's what I was thinking... it's a bit of an "uh oh" feeling about it... |
| [04:08:33] | waxhead: | Oh well.. be interesting to see what I just broke. :( |
| [04:09:10] | wagnerrp: | thats the problem with those prebuilt packages |
| [04:09:21] | wagnerrp: | if something goes wrong, you dont know where anything is |
| [04:09:56] | wagnerrp: | plus ive never touched ubuntu, kubuntu, debian, or any friends |
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| [04:27:48] | high-rez: | MythMusic: What libraries do I need? I have faac and faad2... But it still won't build with aac support.... |
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| [04:57:23] | bobgill: | I'm trying to get my lirc working.. soon as I run irw or irexec, the daemon dies... can someone help |
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| [05:03:15] | wagnerrp: | check /var/log/messages, or whatever your log file is |
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| [05:03:38] | wagnerrp: | run lircd in the foreground in a terminal, so you can watch what happens when it dies |
| [05:05:39] | bobgill: | this is from dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/1063515 |
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| [05:16:49] | waxhead: | hmmm... dual tuner, but I get 'can't get lock' error... |
| [05:16:55] | waxhead: | lost a recording because of it too... |
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| [05:18:50] | wagnerrp: | usually 'cant get a lock' is poor digital signal |
| [05:18:57] | wagnerrp: | are they on the same antenna, from a splitter? |
| [05:19:17] | wagnerrp: | or does it just have one input and an internal splitter? |
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| [05:20:37] | EnderTheThird: | waxhead: Myth has a setting to determine timeout period for digital signals. Somewhere. You can try that if it's taking too long to lock on after checking signal strength |
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| [05:28:13] | bleck: | i can't seem to get mplayer -ao jack:port="testport" to work |
| [05:28:24] | bleck: | anytime I specify a port, it fails to find it. |
| [05:28:50] | bleck: | i really just want mplayer to not automatically connect a port, anyone got an idea how to do this? |
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| [05:46:52] | EnderTheThird: | Myth archives DVDs to the specified Videos, folder, doesn't it? |
| [05:47:18] | GreyFoxx: | If you tell it to rip one it will |
| [05:47:41] | EnderTheThird: | That's what I thought. Cause I'm not seeing the .iso in there, and there's no error in the terminal |
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| [06:13:07] | waxhead: | and back... |
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| [06:27:19] | waxhead: | what's the go with restarting the backend? |
| [06:27:29] | waxhead: | I'm hoping this iwll fix the tuner problem... |
| [06:27:57] | waxhead: | cool... found it /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend |
| [06:28:23] | waxhead: | just have to wait for the car racing to finish recording... |
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| [06:37:56] | bleck: | anyone know how to specify multiple output ports in mplayer -> jack? |
| [06:38:15] | bleck: | like mplayer -ao jack:port=left,port=right ? |
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| [06:59:40] | wagnerrp: | seems sony is pushing forward with field emission monitors |
| [06:59:58] | wagnerrp: | the 'CRT in a pixel' type screens |
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| [07:22:49] | HaSH: | hello all. im using mplayer to play mkv files in mythvideo...but when mythtv opens mplayer my i cant adjust the volume or mute the video. if i normally play the video in mplayer(that is not though myth) it works fine |
| [07:27:59] | fryfrog: | maybe mplayer is firing up with a different .lircrc? |
| [07:28:09] | fryfrog: | or perhaps you are not using a window manager and focus is not going along |
| [07:28:26] | fryfrog: | you might also consider using Internal for mkv, if you are using 0.21 (or maybe 0.21-fixes) |
| [07:43:28] | waxhead: | how do I know if both tuners are initialised on start up? |
| [07:43:36] | waxhead: | I think only the one is has been.. |
| [07:44:11] | waxhead: | nope.. I think both have... |
| [07:55:28] | waxhead: | when I do mythtv-status I see 3 encoders: mythbuntu (1) – -1 (Disconnected) |
| [07:55:48] | waxhead: | how do I get rid of this encoder? |
| [07:56:01] | waxhead: | mediacentre (2) – Idle |
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| [08:02:07] | jeffery: | when I exit out of mythtv-setup, it says "Path live/ doesn't exist." ... where should I create the path |
| [08:03:18] | jeffery: | mzb_d800, you around mate? |
| [08:05:42] | fryfrog: | waxhead: go back into mythtv setup, to the tuners and hit "M" to get menu, then choose delete *all* tuners on *all* backends |
| [08:05:45] | fryfrog: | then re-add your two |
| [08:06:28] | jeffery: | fryfrog, you know what could be wrong on my setup? |
| [08:06:46] | fryfrog: | jeffery: the path should be to where you point it |
| [08:06:49] | jeffery: | I created couple of storage folders and ever since I get that error |
| [08:06:57] | fryfrog: | jeffery: for example, i make a dir "/data/mythtv/livetv" and point it at that |
| [08:07:05] | fryfrog: | or /data/mythtv/recordings |
| [08:07:09] | jeffery: | fryfrog, so should that be in the recordings folder? |
| [08:07:12] | fryfrog: | they have to already exist |
| [08:07:17] | fryfrog: | it can be where ever you want |
| [08:07:18] | jeffery: | ok |
| [08:07:25] | fryfrog: | i believe (never used storage groups) |
| [08:07:31] | fryfrog: | storage groups are for multiple drives, you know? |
| [08:07:44] | jeffery: | oh I didn't know that |
| [08:07:55] | jeffery: | I thought they were just for classification |
| [08:08:12] | fryfrog: | no, they are to spread the recording load among different drives |
| [08:08:34] | fryfrog: | say you'd mount /dev/sda1 -> /data/recordings1 and /dev/sdb1 -> /data/recordings2 |
| [08:08:51] | fryfrog: | myth would then alternate / pick one dir vs. another based on various things to record to |
| [08:09:04] | fryfrog: | so in short, if you don't have multiple drives, don't use recording groups |
| [08:09:14] | jeffery: | ok I understand now.. so is it possible to delete these storage groups then? |
| [08:09:28] | jeffery: | maybe via mythweb... checking |
| [08:10:01] | fryfrog: | can't you do it in mythtv-setup? |
| [08:10:19] | fryfrog: | you could rub the sweet sweet db by hand, if you are comfortable there |
| [08:10:33] | jeffery: | can't see where I can delete them |
| [08:10:36] | jeffery: | looks again |
| [08:10:53] | fryfrog: | hit M |
| [08:11:10] | fryfrog: | in those menus with no options, you can very frequently hit M and see some useful tools |
| [08:11:15] | fryfrog: | took me like 6 months to find that :p |
| [08:11:56] | jeffery: | ah you are my saviour |
| [08:11:59] | jeffery: | thanks mate |
| [08:13:07] | jeffery: | has anyone got HDMI working with both video and audio? |
| [08:15:58] | fryfrog: | you'd have to have some pretty special setup i think |
| [08:16:07] | fryfrog: | either a video card that accepts digital in and mixes it |
| [08:16:22] | fryfrog: | or a dvi -> hdmi cable that includes digital dongle at the dvi end (dunno if those even exist) |
| [08:17:03] | jeffery: | oh ok |
| [08:17:38] | fryfrog: | i'm not saying it is impossible |
| [08:17:53] | fryfrog: | dvi and hdmi are the same video wise, but i don't know about the digital audio it carries |
| [08:18:16] | fryfrog: | it stands to reason that it'd be the same as already exists (carried via copper, rather than optical)? |
| [08:18:39] | fryfrog: | but i think you're down to just using digital audio out on yoru pc -> digital in on... whatever |
| [08:18:49] | waxhead: | fryfrog: ok thanks... |
| [08:18:54] | waxhead: | was hoping to avoid that... :) |
| [08:19:09] | jeffery: | thats what one of my mates suggested as well |
| [08:19:20] | fryfrog: | it isn't a big loss, you don't lose channels or anything... just have to re-add 2 cards |
| [08:19:44] | waxhead: | fryfrog: Oh.. OK then.. cool... |
| [08:19:48] | waxhead: | time to go... |
| [08:19:54] | waxhead: | being anti social... :) |
| [08:19:58] | waxhead: | night... |
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| [08:20:21] | fryfrog: | bah! |
| [08:20:24] | fryfrog: | i mean, bai! |
| [08:21:59] | jeffery: | fryfrog, I cam across this: "Word off the street is that the newest nvidia driver now supports audio over hdmi." |
| [08:22:20] | fryfrog: | yeah, but in linux? |
| [08:23:05] | jeffery: | it was on a fedora forum |
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| [08:38:00] | fryfrog: | neat |
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| [08:54:01] | gbee: | heh, so the nvidia driver was actually months behind the ati one |
| [08:56:52] | fryfrog: | nvidia and linux are *way* behind :/ |
| [08:57:15] | fryfrog: | how is ati doing? i keep hearing about driver releases, i wonder if ati + linux is actually a nice thing now? |
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| [09:01:25] | Gumby: | hey all, using mythweb here and in the listings page there is a dropdown menu to view the data and time you wish to view listings for. Ive selected a date and time from the dropdown but there is no "go" button or anything like that. nothing happens when I do this. anyone ever seen this before? |
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| [09:01:44] | candyban: | hi guys |
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| [09:01:57] | candyban: | I'm have started to backup a lot of DVDs to my mythtv backend (using dvdbackup) ... but now I would like to convert them to a smaller size (without losing quality) |
| [09:02:30] | candyban: | when I look for ffmpeg options online, they are mostly for converting avi to DVD ... |
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| [09:03:55] | candyban: | can anyone point me to some good docs about how to do this? (I need subtitles and would sometimes like multiple audio channels as well) |
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| [09:17:28] | milligan_: | I'm having some problem compiling mythstream on debian. Anyone in here done it before, and could assist me a little ? |
| [09:20:07] | fryfrog: | never used it, but look at the errors and fix it :) |
| [09:21:46] | milligan_: | yeah, I'm trying to .. it's complaining about not finding a header file.. and it seems like it's looking in the wrong dir.. and I'm not sure how to correct it :) |
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| [10:45:33] | milligan_: | err, how do you turn down the volume while listening to a stream ? |
| [10:49:09] | tjcarter: | hm, still no new knoppmyth-not-called-knoppmyth-anymore. =( |
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| [10:56:18] | tjcarter: | So um, the Hauppauge h.264 USB thingy has a remote that doesn't look like the typical Windows MCE remotes everything has nowadays.. Is it, and if it isn't, is that remote available elsewhere? |
| [10:56:27] | gbee: | fryfrog: my experience says Ati + linux is very nice, in some respects better than nvidia+linux, but whether everyone else agrees ... |
| [10:58:23] | gbee: | I'm having problems with the latest release, but even Nvidia break their driver frequently so I won't hold it against Ati, especially since they are making major feature additions with each version and not just treading water |
| [10:58:23] | tjcarter: | gbee: I'm told it depends amazingly on what you're using for a video card. |
| [10:59:19] | gbee: | tjcarter: it certainly depends on having a recent(ish) card, they aren't even claiming support for older chipsets |
| [10:59:27] | tjcarter: | gbee: for example, some mATX boards with onboard ATI video are apparently really crappy for Linux, which is too bad since some of those are MADE FOR use as PVRs =( |
| [10:59:56] | gbee: | tjcarter: that's what I've got, with the x1250 chipset (HDMI) and it's been fantastic |
| [11:01:15] | gbee: | ok, so audio over HDMI was broken and was only fixed in the last driver release last month but aside from that |
| [11:02:27] | tjcarter: | really? |
| [11:02:41] | gbee: | if you use the TV-out stuff, svideo etc then it's far, far superior to Nvidia's tv-out, much better picture quality and great overscan/picture positioning control |
| [11:02:47] | tjcarter: | x1250 doesn't have any accelleration though, does it? |
| [11:02:54] | tjcarter: | Oh I never would |
| [11:03:01] | tjcarter: | I output to DVI =) |
| [11:03:37] | gbee: | I started with svideo until I got the new TV, then HDMI and now including audio :) |
| [11:03:45] | tjcarter: | I might output to HDMI at some point, but generally no way am I going to analog/low-res options |
| [11:03:51] | gbee: | what sort of acceleration? mpeg2/h.264? |
| [11:04:18] | tjcarter: | HDMI appeals to me because I'm really annoyed with the cabling nightmare I have right now. |
| [11:04:43] | fryfrog: | h264 probably |
| [11:04:52] | fryfrog: | doesn't everyting do mpeg2 (not that anything needs it) |
| [11:05:00] | gbee: | tjcarter: well if your TV supports DVI/HDMI etc then why would you use anything else? ;) But a lot of people still have their SD sets which only handle scart, svideo, component or RF |
| [11:05:30] | tjcarter: | I mean, because I work in an environment with a lot of RF, I use heavily shielded cables. Not Monster brand, but good quality. I have 20–30lb of cable from STBs to my Myth box! |
| [11:05:39] | tjcarter: | well it's not just those |
| [11:05:47] | tjcarter: | the cabling in general is just nuts |
| [11:06:02] | gbee: | no linux drivers, Nvidia/ATi/Intel support the acceleration stuff anyway, just get a 2.5Ghz dual core and you are sorted for h.264 HD |
| [11:06:12] | tjcarter: | gbee: SCART would be nice, but in the US, we never had it =( |
| [11:07:02] | gbee: | in principal scart is nice, the actual connectors are crap though |
| [11:07:33] | tjcarter: | Well, one of the reasons I was looking for KnoppMyth R5.5 is that I want to move my BE to just a BE. |
| [11:07:48] | tjcarter: | I've been running it as a standalone box, and I'm done doing that. |
| [11:08:18] | tjcarter: | It's time to upgrade the BE as cheaply as possible and make it dedicated. |
| [11:08:38] | tjcarter: | I used to use my iMac as a FE |
| [11:08:47] | tjcarter: | but that hasn't really worked right since 0.19 |
| [11:08:57] | tjcarter: | and it stopped working at all around the 0.21 release |
| [11:10:32] | tjcarter: | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ |
| [11:10:38] | tjcarter: | cpu MHz : 2411.109 |
| [11:10:49] | tjcarter: | That needs some upgrading. |
| [11:11:15] | tjcarter: | MemTotal: 968048 kB |
| [11:11:21] | tjcarter: | That could use some too. |
| [11:12:05] | tjcarter: | The onboard video is NV 6100 with VGA out, I'm using a 6100 card with DVI out. |
| [11:13:32] | tjcarter: | Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160040803840 bytes |
| [11:13:37] | tjcarter: | Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160040803840 bytes |
| [11:14:09] | tjcarter: | yeah, that pair has served me well for a couple of years, but replacing either one of them is $5 less than a 750 GB ;) |
| [11:18:57] | tjcarter: | Maybe it's time to consider either MythDora or MythBuntu.. I really liked how close KM was to a config-file-less installation though |
| [11:26:33] | gbee: | what's wrong with KM now? |
| [11:27:52] | gbee: | btw, have you submitted bug reports for the iMac breakage? I know the OSX stuff still works for a lot of people e.g. on the Mac Mini |
| [11:28:04] | gbee: | including two devs |
| [11:30:08] | XLV: | well, on mythbuntu i just installed, the file manager cant browse smb shares |
| [11:30:15] | XLV: | you need to smb mount them |
| [11:30:38] | XLV: | guess i'll go back to ubuntu |
| [11:30:58] | XLV: | just installed ubuntu desktop, still it has the menus of mythbuntu, nautilus isnt there |
| [11:32:11] | tjcarter: | gbee: Nothing's wrong with KM, just that I am a little hesitant to install it working, then risk breaking it by upgrading MythTV on it myself.. |
| [11:33:11] | gbee: | tjcarter: so KM is running behind in mythtv versions? |
| [11:33:26] | tjcarter: | it doesn't have 0.21 yet |
| [11:33:35] | tjcarter: | 0.20.2 still |
| [11:33:58] | gbee: | really? I guess cesman has been too busy then :( |
| [11:33:59] | tjcarter: | (with some patches I think) |
| [11:34:10] | tjcarter: | Yeah, I assume so |
| [11:34:24] | tjcarter: | I know he's working bout on R5.5 and R6 |
| [11:34:34] | tjcarter: | and R6 is intended to not be Knoppix-based anymore |
| [11:35:01] | tjcarter: | (part of why R6 has been delayed for so long) |
| [11:35:05] | gbee: | straight debian? |
| [11:35:15] | tjcarter: | Something completely different |
| [11:35:22] | gbee: | ahh |
| [11:35:34] | tjcarter: | allowing more control than a Debian/Knoppix base does |
| [11:35:44] | tjcarter: | Debian's flaw has always been library dependency madness |
| [11:35:54] | gbee: | I'm not a Debian fan |
| [11:36:24] | tjcarter: | I was a Debian dev for years, but how I got to using Debian in the first place is an interesting but unrelated story |
| [11:36:26] | gbee: | but that's probably because I've been spoilt by Mandriva |
| [11:37:13] | tjcarter: | Anyway, Mac issues are that between 0.12 and 0.20, aspect support was removed because it was considered subtly broken. |
| [11:37:28] | tjcarter: | The result is considered completely broken by Mac users ;) |
| [11:38:00] | tjcarter: | But it has never been fixed "the right way" as the same tracker report that called the former subtly broken called for. |
| [11:38:38] | tjcarter: | End result is that a useful feature (especially since every Mac is now widescreen) is now just gone |
| [11:38:39] | gbee: | wouldn't know anything about that, I suggest bumping the ticket, Nigel may just have forgotten |
| [11:39:09] | gbee: | never owned a Mac |
| [11:40:21] | tjcarter: | And the build script for Mac tends to be broken more often than it works. Last check, it was broken. I haven't tried it recently, but there's no sense in trying it for anything but 0.21-fixes or head at this point, and I'm reluctant to try to get head working on my Myth box in the middle of the term.. |
| [11:40:57] | tjcarter: | 0.21-fixes is a good candidate, and if I'm talking about rebuilding my hardware, installing something based on it would be a wise plan. |
| [11:41:20] | gbee: | I'd stay clear of head/trunk |
| [11:41:42] | tjcarter: | oh, qt4 transition has begun since I last looked? |
| [11:43:11] | gbee: | almost finished :) mythui transition is going on too and some structural changes, all of which mean that although trunk works mostly it's really only suitable for those who like living on the edge |
| [11:43:17] | tjcarter: | scary. |
| [11:43:22] | tjcarter: | I'm not going NEAR it. |
| [11:43:46] | tjcarter: | Not until it's done, tested, stable, working, happy, and ready for release. |
| [11:44:16] | tjcarter: | You realize that any day now Troll will release Qt5, right? =D |
| [11:44:53] | tjcarter: | Just because they must do it in order for the balance of the universe to be restored. |
| [11:44:55] | gbee: | we want people to test it of course and it's running on a production box here, so it's not broken |
| [11:45:15] | tjcarter: | Yeah but I have a Mac to use as a FE. |
| [11:45:17] | gbee: | tjcarter: heh, one thing we can be confident of is that they won't do that just yet ;) |
| [11:45:34] | tjcarter: | It'll be working for everybody else before Nigel gets it working on a Mac ;) |
| [11:45:52] | tjcarter: | Why, because 0.22 isn't released yet? =D |
| [11:46:09] | gbee: | tjcarter: dunno, he's done a lot of trunk work lately, I suspect it may even work better than it does on 0.21 |
| [11:46:38] | gbee: | tjcarter: D |
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| [11:50:00] | mzb_d800: | jeffery: check me next time you're in |
| [11:50:34] | mzb_d800: | (if you're in logland;)) |
| [11:53:14] | tjcarter: | tjcarter@etusko:~/Source/mythtv$ mkdir 0.21-fixes && cd 0.21-fixes && mv ~/Downloads/makebundle.sh ~/Downloads/osx-bundler.pl ~/Downloads/osx-packager.pl . && chmod 755 *.sh *.pl |
| [11:53:19] | tjcarter: | tjcarter@etusko:~/Source/mythtv/0.21-fixes$ ./osx-packager.pl 2>&1 | tee mythbuild.log |
| [11:54:30] | tjcarter: | files fetched from tags/release-0–21/mythtv/contrib/OSX (via trac) |
| [11:54:53] | tjcarter: | Just to point out that this is as fresh a build as possible =) |
| [12:00:48] | cesman: | gbee: calling it busy would be too mild |
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| [12:25:15] | tjcarter: | cecil: Yeah, that whole working for Microsoft thing ;) |
| [12:25:27] | tjcarter: | cecil: how many people bought that? |
| [12:25:44] | cesman: | tjcarter: a lot! |
| [12:25:49] | tjcarter: | HAHAHA |
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| [12:25:53] | tjcarter: | *ahem* |
| [12:26:01] | cesman: | tjcarter: query me if you'd like R5.5 |
| [12:26:20] | cesman: | tjcarter: should only be another day or two for official release, but it is ready |
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| [12:28:10] | tjcarter: | http://pastebin.com/d29c5b00d |
| [12:28:15] | tjcarter: | *sigh* |
| [12:28:40] | tjcarter: | Oh niiiigel! =D |
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| [12:34:55] | tjcarter: | cecil: I can wait a couple of days since I would be using 5.5 on new hardware which I haven't ordered yet =D |
| [12:35:16] | cesman: | :) |
| [12:35:20] | tjcarter: | That and I need to harass poor nigel about the latest doesn't-build-on-mac bug ;) |
| [12:36:59] | tjcarter: | Mainly, I have an old mythbox I built back when R5F1 was due "any day now" and installed on it when released.. |
| [12:38:29] | tjcarter: | it includes limitations of building a machine on a budget at that time (1GB RAM, AMD64 3800+, single core, dual 160GB drives, uses LVM), and those limitations have never been corrected. =) |
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| [12:45:44] | cesman: | doesn't sound like a bad build at all |
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| [12:45:59] | cesman: | but you'd know it's limitiations for your needs ;) |
| [12:46:33] | Pyretic: | hi, i'm really having a hard time looking for a dvb-c card, anyone have a good suggestion ? |
| [12:46:37] | tjcarter: | cesman: H.264 playback |
| [12:46:54] | gpd: | balls. my mythtv HDD 400G just died: SMART BAD, won't mount. :( |
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| [12:47:01] | Pyretic: | or choosing rather, already went through the linuxtv list, but there's not really a recommendation there |
| [12:47:17] | tjcarter: | cesman: Also, when it stabilizes more, the Hauppauge USB thingy. |
| [12:47:18] | gpd: | should I try mythbuntu – or just stick with regular ubuntu? or other? |
| [12:47:36] | tjcarter: | gpd: depends on what you want to use? |
| [12:48:02] | tjcarter: | gpd: I am a fan of KnoppMyth because I want my MythTV box to be basically an appliance. |
| [12:48:07] | gpd: | i have been running with regular mythtv on ubuntu for a year now – just wondering whta the advantage of mythbuntu would be |
| [12:48:13] | tjcarter: | I don't really wanna spend lots of time futzing with it. |
| [12:48:30] | tjcarter: | I don't want a Linux desktop that also watches TV for me ;) |
| [12:48:32] | gpd: | i want to be able to add whatever i want to it – so probably best to stick with ubuntu |
| [12:48:40] | gpd: | eg. try out Elisa |
| [12:48:46] | gpd: | use it as an mp3 server |
| [12:48:57] | tjcarter: | Yeah, MythDora and MythBuntu are good for that |
| [12:49:23] | cesman: | tjcarter: yeah, I can see the need there :) |
| [12:49:44] | gpd: | mythbuntu was downloading at 60k/s so will have to check out the benefits |
| [12:49:58] | tjcarter: | cesman: Basically a $100 HD and the cheapest AMD X2 chip I can get would probably do what I want. |
| [12:50:00] | XLV: | tjcarter, good think cpu prices are low.. a 2.5Ghz c2d is like 80 euro here used |
| [12:50:06] | tjcarter: | RAM upgrade is firmly a maybe. |
| [12:50:08] | cesman: | tjcarter: last month, I got a WD green 1 TB for $167! |
| [12:50:33] | tjcarter: | cesman: WD and Seagate 750GB drives are near the $100 mark. |
| [12:50:40] | cesman: | I've yet to put it in a system, but I'm thinking of getting two more |
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| [12:50:48] | XLV: | tjcarter, i too got an athlon64 x2 3800 as cpu.. doesnt quite cut it at h264 hd playback.. but since i dont yet have a hd display, i still hold off the upgrade of htpc ;-) |
| [12:51:15] | tjcarter: | XLV: how close is it? |
| [12:51:58] | cesman: | tjcarter: I plan to have 2 TB in MBE and 1.75 TB in SBE |
| [12:52:11] | XLV: | tjcarter, to tell you the truth, i havent messed too much with it, eg installing threaded fddshow or coreavc for linux... but as it is, its choppy |
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| [12:52:47] | tjcarter: | hmm |
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| [12:53:39] | tjcarter: | well, I assume that KM will do whatever it can to make it not choppy, if I have the hardware for it, but I know AMD 3800 is really on the low end for AVC playback at high resolution |
| [12:53:52] | bleck: | I can't seem to get mythmusic to actually play anything... it just sits there.. |
| [12:53:56] | cesman: | tjcarter: we try :) |
| [12:54:08] | bleck: | how would I go about diagnosing this? |
| [12:54:12] | tjcarter: | sure, but you can't make my CPU not too slow =D |
| [12:54:36] | cesman: | bleck: check your logs when the error occurs |
| [12:54:57] | cesman: | tjcarter: I can write someone and ask them to send you hardware ;) |
| [12:56:01] | gpd: | ooh – the dead disk mounted! fancy that :) |
| [12:56:20] | cesman: | well, guess I'll go start my laundry |
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| [12:57:56] | Ace2016: | gbee: did the nova-s card arrive yet? and the lowest he is going is £30 for 2 cards including p&p so i think you hit the price dead on with your first offer |
| [12:58:15] | gbee: | Ace2016: yes they did |
| [12:58:33] | Ace2016: | have you set them up yet? |
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| [13:01:24] | gbee: | one yes, works well |
| [13:01:44] | Ace2016: | don't have a dual lnb? |
| [13:01:44] | gbee: | better than the Satelco card I already had which had signal quality problems |
| [13:02:28] | XLV: | tjcarter, a x264 5366Kbps "trailer" ac3 6channels 448KBit i just tried plays ok |
| [13:02:44] | gbee: | Ace2016: no I don't and even if I did the machine only has one spare PCI slot :) The other card might have gone into a second backend at some point, but instead I'm sending it to stuarta |
| [13:03:16] | gbee: | XLV: but what res? |
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| [13:04:14] | XLV: | gbee, 1920x816, but remember its downscaled to 1024x768, cause i still use a crt tv and svideo tvout |
| [13:04:24] | gbee: | you need at least 2Ghz dual core for HD AVC, recommend 2.4Ghz |
| [13:04:49] | gbee: | XLV: ahh, missed the dual-core bit |
| [13:05:07] | gbee: | assumed you were talking about a single core chip |
| [13:05:33] | gbee: | yeah, I'm using a 3600 x2 |
| [13:05:58] | XLV: | mythbuntu comes with threaded fddshow included? |
| [13:06:04] | gbee: | sorry, I should have read further back |
| [13:06:10] | XLV: | np |
| [13:06:32] | XLV: | or i should try to install coreavc for linux? |
| [13:06:59] | gbee: | 0.21 includes threaded playback, but it's not enabled by default |
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| [13:07:24] | tjcarter: | cesman: you can ask, but would they send me some? =D |
| [13:07:55] | tjcarter: | cesman: I always accept new hardware! =D |
| [13:08:14] | gbee: | tjcarter: pay the extra $10–20 for a 4200 or whatever the next one up from the 3800 is |
| [13:08:35] | tjcarter: | heh |
| [13:08:45] | XLV: | tjcarter, s939 dualcores are quite expensive, even used |
| [13:08:49] | gbee: | my 3600 manages broadcast AVC HD just fine |
| [13:09:05] | XLV: | s am2 are dirt cheap |
| [13:09:07] | tjcarter: | XLV: I have one of those already (also a 3800) |
| [13:09:18] | tjcarter: | I have am2 in my Myth box |
| [13:10:43] | XLV: | tjcarter, then it should be easy getting something like 5600 or so, 2.8Ghz 2x1MB cache |
| [13:10:45] | tjcarter: | So #5508 is submitted, listed as owned by ijr (who I assume gets these things by default).. |
| [13:11:05] | XLV: | i got a s am2 x2 4000+ i am trying to sell for 35E, and noone buys it ;-) |
| [13:11:05] | tjcarter: | XLV: THAT would do H.264. =) |
| [13:11:39] | gbee: | not sure it's necessary to go that far :) |
| [13:11:41] | tjcarter: | The main thing I really wanna upgrade on my BE is the case |
| [13:11:47] | XLV: | tjcarter, http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/ |
| [13:11:51] | tjcarter: | it's an Antec Sonata II |
| [13:11:52] | XLV: | x2 5600 for 93$ |
| [13:12:05] | tjcarter: | which is the biggest piece of shit you've ever seen |
| [13:12:32] | XLV: | unfortunately my htpc is s939, and if i go in the trouble of getting new mem, mb and cpu, i might as well go c2d |
| [13:12:33] | tjcarter: | the stock PSU basically developed a short or something within 6 months |
| [13:12:52] | XLV: | tjcarter, silverstone lc20 here, great case |
| [13:12:55] | tjcarter: | the case's internal USB and whatnot don't actually fit the connectors, etc.. |
| [13:13:20] | tjcarter: | I think I'm really aiming for something simple, but effective. |
| [13:13:29] | tjcarter: | PSU not required |
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| [13:20:36] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/ |
| [13:21:53] | tjcarter: | gbee: that's a nice, economical setup |
| [13:23:48] | gbee: | less than I paid for the original system which was a steaming pile |
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| [13:24:56] | tjcarter: | I use a Gigabyte GA-M55plus-S3G |
| [13:25:36] | tjcarter: | which is one of the most obnoxious model names I have ever seen |
| [13:25:36] | gbee: | there isn't a single component in that thing which I'm unhappy with except the PSU which is a little noisy |
| [13:26:34] | gbee: | the mobo is great and on-board ATi was definately the best gamble I've ever made since it turned out to be better than nvidia :) |
| [13:27:00] | tjcarter: | For that I really would need KM R5.5 ;) |
| [13:28:02] | tjcarter: | because there's no way anything a year or so old (and I may actually be using R5F1 still, I don't remember if I upgraded or not!) would have anything resembling a new enough driver for that board's video |
| [13:28:21] | gbee: | case was the best bit though, I really think it beats most of the £100–200 HTPC cases I've seen and only cost £40 |
| [13:28:51] | gbee: | AFK |
| [13:29:28] | tjcarter: | ugh, its rainy now and gonna be 80ËšF today |
| [13:29:32] | tjcarter: | yucky |
| [13:30:16] | tjcarter: | Well given my intention to stick the thing in a closet if I ever get it upgraded properly, that's no matter. |
| [13:35:11] | gbee: | so much for going out, rains falling so heavily that it's triggered car alarms |
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| [13:41:23] | tjcarter: | gbee: lol, that's a lot of rain |
| [13:41:36] | tjcarter: | And I live in Oregon, United States |
| [13:44:40] | gpd: | for future reference – it would have been helpful to have a backup of my mythtv sql before this HDD failure! :( |
| [13:46:56] | Ace2016: | How do i know if its a genuine ms remote and not a copy? |
| [13:47:32] | gbee: | copy? as in Hauppauge's own version? |
| [13:47:49] | Ace2016: | no as in a copy from china |
| [13:48:25] | gbee: | didn't even know there were copies coming from China ;) |
| [13:48:35] | Ace2016: | well cones then? |
| [13:49:00] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remo . . . nter_Remotes |
| [13:49:41] | Ace2016: | oh great now i have to find the philips one |
| [13:49:43] | gbee: | Ace2016: like I said, first I've heard of it, but that table seems to show the different versions and so I'd compare images against whatever is being sold to see if you can tell |
| [13:50:14] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4 is marked as a possible clone |
| [13:50:23] | gbee: | damn, autocomplete |
| [13:50:27] | gbee: | number 4 |
| [13:50:46] | gbee: | the second one is what I've got |
| [13:51:10] | Ace2016: | i started to wonder after the remote lacked the microsoft logo on it |
| [13:51:29] | gbee: | not impressed by the Philips one, one of the great things about the MCE remote is that it's well balanced and sits well in the hand |
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| [13:52:08] | rooaus: | Ace2016: Many would consider that a plus. ;) |
| [13:52:25] | Ace2016: | plus if it works |
| [13:52:42] | Dibblah: | The peanut also has pretty good balance. |
| [13:52:47] | Dibblah: | (Tivo remote) |
| [13:53:15] | gbee: | I removed the windows sticker from the green button on mine (may replace it with a MythTV one in time), but I'm stuck with the Microsoft branding on the bottom |
| [13:53:31] | gpd: | installed ubuntu + mythbuntu packages – but MySQL tables and user not setup by mythtv-setup... do i need to do this by hand? |
| [13:56:21] | Ace2016: | ask in #mythbuntu or download mythbuntu |
| [13:56:57] | Ace2016: | why install ubuntu+mythbuntu? |
| [13:57:19] | gpd: | because i had a DVD of Hardy |
| [13:57:35] | gpd: | and mythbuntu is just a package in hardy it seems |
| [13:57:50] | gpd: | i have loaded the mythbuntu-control-centre – hope this will help |
| [13:59:02] | Ace2016: | i found this howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Guts . . . tend_Desktop |
| [13:59:04] | Ace2016: | might help |
| [13:59:52] | Ace2016: | i always you had an amazing mythtv setup, with lots of recordings and masses of hard drive space, and you're only just installing it now? |
| [14:00:32] | Ace2016: | oh wait your gpd i confused you with gbee, lol |
| [14:01:50] | gpd: | well – i did have that – but the HDD died... |
| [14:01:54] | gpd: | so now i have nothing. |
| [14:01:55] | ** gbee doesn't have an amazing setup either ** | |
| [14:02:31] | gpd: | 400G drive full of recordings and music... luckily the 200G of music was backed up and the rest was just TV |
| [14:02:47] | gpd: | but i got lazy and didn't backup the mysql from mythtv |
| [14:03:06] | gpd: | so now i am faced with setting up all the recording information too – so the wife will NOT be happy! |
| [14:04:25] | Ace2016: | my drives have 10GB partition at the start of the drive in a raid1 all drives loose 10GB but i won't loose anything unless all the drives die |
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| [14:04:36] | gpd: | some of the files in /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg are there – so might be lucky |
| [14:05:04] | gpd: | and you have all your DB and /etc in the 10GB? nice |
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| [14:05:50] | gpd: | of course this machine is the backup for my other machines — so wasn't backing up the backup.. :( |
| [14:06:12] | Ace2016: | my system hasn't ran for very long though |
| [14:06:41] | gpd: | server class HDD I think are higher on my list of priorities! |
| [14:06:56] | Ace2016: | if it gets full, i'll shrink the partition of the big drive, copy the filesystem out of the raid, delete the raid, remake it and copy it back |
| [14:06:58] | gbee: | have less than 4.5Gb dedicated to the root partition |
| [14:07:25] | Ace2016: | server class HDD? is there any such thing? |
| [14:07:52] | gpd: | Ace2016: not really – but some are tested for longer and are more expensive iirc |
| [14:07:55] | gbee: | yes, but not everyone believes in them – google for example uses desktop HDDs |
| [14:08:17] | gpd: | raid and backup is more sensible |
| [14:08:39] | Ace2016: | i wouldn't pay more for a server class HDD, if it fails it'd be no better than a desktop HDD |
| [14:08:42] | gpd: | still no sign of where to setup the mythtv user – guess i will do by hand |
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| [14:13:07] | tjcarter: | gbee: So looking at your system specs |
| [14:13:23] | tjcarter: | gbee: your CPU probably won't be ideal for H.264 playback |
| [14:13:53] | tjcarter: | Probably you'll want another 1GB kit as well |
| [14:15:19] | tjcarter: | I like that your case takes a 2.5" drive as well as 3.5", since you can use flash adapters in the 2.5" bay to give you a bit more robust setup |
| [14:16:16] | tjcarter: | I wonder though, how does that case feel? Does it feel like a cheap, flimsy case or is it more substantial? |
| [14:16:19] | gbee: | tjcarter: the setup is just fine for HD, since I;m already watching it ;) |
| [14:16:56] | gbee: | it's very substantial, well designed and machines |
| [14:16:59] | gbee: | machined |
| [14:17:11] | gbee: | doesn't feel at all cheap |
| [14:17:14] | tjcarter: | HD using MPEG2 or XviD or so? |
| [14:17:20] | gbee: | AVC |
| [14:17:33] | tjcarter: | 1080 AVC?! |
| [14:17:35] | gbee: | h.264 16Mbit/s streams |
| [14:17:40] | gbee: | yes |
| [14:17:45] | tjcarter: | on a 3800+? |
| [14:17:48] | gbee: | 1080i, not 1080p |
| [14:17:54] | gbee: | 3600+ |
| [14:18:04] | gbee: | with threading enabled |
| [14:18:21] | tjcarter: | I imagine it's gotta start dragging on 1080p |
| [14:18:43] | tjcarter: | but you're not going to get that into Myth at the moment, so it doesn't matter too much yet |
| [14:18:48] | tjcarter: | plus AM2 chips are cheap |
| [14:18:54] | gbee: | probably, but no-one is broadcasting 1080p and is unlikely to for a while, at least here in the UK |
| [14:19:23] | tjcarter: | you wouldn't see 1080p broadcast. |
| [14:19:37] | gbee: | I'd recommend something more powerful if you want to be sure, as I said, something around the 4400 or 4800 mark |
| [14:19:45] | tjcarter: | yeah |
| [14:19:55] | tjcarter: | and Newegg doesn't even stock the lower-end chips anymore |
| [14:20:12] | tjcarter: | I don't think I could match that case though |
| [14:20:13] | gbee: | but this system deals with broadcast HD in the UK ok |
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| [14:20:17] | tjcarter: | it looks great |
| [14:20:59] | tjcarter: | how many tuners you have? |
| [14:21:32] | gbee: | it really depends on the encoding options used as to whether 3600 would work for everyone, I can only guarentee it for BBC HD and Luxe HD (possibly ITV HD too) |
| [14:21:52] | gbee: | tjcarter: in that box just two atm, 1xDVB-T and 1xDVB-S |
| [14:22:21] | gbee: | in another backend I've got a dual DVB-T and I've just bought another DVB-S |
| [14:22:24] | tjcarter: | you take advantage of multirec? ;) |
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| [14:22:30] | gbee: | yeah |
| [14:22:42] | tjcarter: | what're you using for HD? |
| [14:22:53] | gbee: | DVB-S |
| [14:23:08] | Ace2016: | what DVB-T card is that? nova-t? |
| [14:24:00] | gbee: | Ace2016: which one? I've a couple of LR6550 (leadtek), a nova-t and a nova-t 500, but only two of those are in use at the moment |
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| [14:24:21] | ** tjcarter has got to find that case Stateside. ** | |
| [14:24:22] | gbee: | might even have given one away, I can't remember |
| [14:24:26] | Ace2016: | thanks |
| [14:24:40] | tjcarter: | I paid almost as much for the Sonata II and it's total crap. |
| [14:25:09] | tjcarter: | You have similar if not better thermal characteristics on that one, and it's HTPC besides |
| [14:25:15] | Ace2016: | same i paid most for my case |
| [14:25:59] | gbee: | tjcarter: http://www.wisdon.com.tw/en/index.asp |
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| [14:27:09] | gbee: | not a great website, but it might help you find suppliers or get a better look at the specs |
| [14:27:34] | Ace2016: | the lcd on the front of the case isn't very useful |
| [14:28:22] | tjcarter: | http://www.wisdon.com.tw/en/cpxx.asp?id=975 |
| [14:28:25] | tjcarter: | looks like yours |
| [14:28:31] | Ace2016: | get a large flatscreen hdtv, then place any computer case behind it with the ir receiver in front |
| [14:29:07] | gbee: | yes, that's the one |
| [14:29:38] | tjcarter: | Looks like they enamel the innards of the case on the black model |
| [14:29:58] | Ace2016: | what about this: http://www.pixmania-pro.co.uk/uk/uk/427988/ar . . . x-black.html |
| [14:30:04] | Ace2016: | thats what i got |
| [14:30:31] | Ace2016: | and it takes a full atx motherboard |
| [14:30:37] | tjcarter: | Ace2016: the advantage of gbee's case is the price =D |
| [14:30:52] | Ace2016: | yea true |
| [14:31:04] | Ace2016: | your going to miss those slots someday |
| [14:31:05] | gbee: | and it's matx which brings down the overall size of the case |
| [14:31:15] | tjcarter: | No, I'm probably not. |
| [14:31:25] | tjcarter: | not on a Myth box anyway |
| [14:31:26] | gbee: | but for a backend only system size may be less important |
| [14:31:34] | Ace2016: | gbee: this is atx by placing the psu at the front |
| [14:31:43] | gbee: | I bought that case as much for it's looks as it's price |
| [14:33:05] | gbee: | yeah but it's 10cm wider as a result |
| [14:33:27] | tjcarter: | er, it looks like the thing takes a standard ATX PSU, but the site seems to suggest it takes the mini-PSU found on a lot of tiny systems.. Which is it? =D |
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| [14:33:57] | gbee: | my case is the same size as a "standard" STB, e.g.sky/virgin or a VCR, in height it's equal to two STBs stacked |
| [14:34:19] | gbee: | so it fits under the TV pretty nicely where the dvd, vcr etc used to be |
| [14:34:59] | gbee: | tjcarter: needs a matx PSU, which oddly enough cost me less than an ATX one would have |
| [14:35:06] | stuarta: | it's a good afternoon with the Wimbledon tennis final on TV |
| [14:35:17] | gbee: | hehe |
| [14:35:26] | tjcarter: | okay, so I'd be looking at a 150–200 watter |
| [14:35:35] | tjcarter: | That's fine. |
| [14:35:51] | Ace2016: | mine is about 5cm wider than the sky box |
| [14:36:00] | Ace2016: | i put in an 850w cheap psu |
| [14:36:14] | Ace2016: | expensive case with savings everywhere else |
| [14:37:50] | stuarta: | the most bizzare thing happened on the OSX frontend last night |
| [14:38:10] | stuarta: | for some reason it decided it no longer knew the details of the backend |
| [14:38:25] | stuarta: | so i had to reselect my backend again (and resave it) |
| [14:38:41] | Ace2016: | theres an osx frontend? |
| [14:38:52] | stuarta: | after this, the colour oddities i was having with the popup menus went away |
| [14:39:01] | stuarta: | (this is with 0.21-fixes) |
| [14:39:11] | stuarta: | Ace2016: yes, but it's a compile from source |
| [14:39:39] | stuarta: | no idea why |
| [14:39:42] | gbee: | tjcarter: mine was 350W |
| [14:39:54] | stuarta: | but i'm happy the colours are more sensible (i can read them now) |
| [14:41:11] | gbee: | gremlins |
| [14:41:46] | stuarta: | indeed |
| [14:41:48] | gbee: | Ace2016: OSX and Windows, yes – same frontend as the linux one, just built on those platforms instead |
| [14:41:55] | stuarta: | weird that it's been like that from day1 |
| [14:42:00] | stuarta: | and only now fixed itself. |
| [14:42:09] | stuarta: | that's like 1.5yrs |
| [14:42:30] | stuarta: | or more, how long ago was the linux expo? |
| [14:42:50] | tjcarter: | Newegg doesn't have them =( |
| [14:44:08] | gbee: | mine cost £13 or $26 |
| [14:44:19] | Ace2016: | tjcarter: why not get a case that supports a proper psu? |
| [14:44:24] | tjcarter: | let's see if perhaps the cases are rebranded.. |
| [14:44:28] | Ace2016: | i mean an atx psu |
| [14:44:57] | tjcarter: | Ace2016: well, there are two separate things here.. There's my backend, which really should probably have that |
| [14:45:23] | Ace2016: | why have a backend and a frontend? why not a backend that acts as the frontend? |
| [14:45:27] | tjcarter: | Then there's my frontend, which probably should be almost mini-itx form factor IMO ;) |
| [14:45:47] | tjcarter: | Ace2016: because my BE is a big multidrive tower. |
| [14:45:55] | Ace2016: | oh |
| [14:46:03] | tjcarter: | And because we're talking different rooms here |
| [14:46:17] | tjcarter: | presently, I have the setup you describe, with the big tower |
| [14:46:35] | tjcarter: | but the BE needs a new case also, and to go into my closet and be forgotten =D |
| [14:47:41] | tjcarter: | the iMac needs to start being a better FE at my desk (ticket #5508), and the present box's screen, speakers, etc need to move to a new FE in the other room |
| [14:56:28] | tjcarter: | Ideally, the FE would be attached to the screen's VESA mounting holes =) |
| [14:56:50] | tjcarter: | and small/light enough that this is an acceptable mounting option |
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| [15:01:25] | tjcarter: | Of course, my OTHER little project calls for one of those little picture frame things--one that has some media player functionality and has been found to be hackable. |
| [15:01:59] | tjcarter: | $100–150 LCD picture frame running random Linux with USB connectivity ... |
| [15:02:05] | tjcarter: | That could be useful. |
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| [15:03:09] | tjcarter: | and if you happen to know of one, lemme know |
| [15:11:04] | gpd: | ok — so the rescue continues – i have a tables from the old mythtv install mysql – i can strings the record.MYI to get the show titles – can i add these using some script magic – or do i need ot do it by hand? |
| [15:13:09] | tjcarter: | gpd: if you can get at the database file, you may be able to dump it using mysql |
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| [15:17:10] | gpd: | tjcarter: any idea how many of hthe mythconverg tables I would need to restore my recording info? i would guess that it could get very messy! but i have not looked at the table structure in detail |
| [15:19:13] | gpd: | i guess one way to tell would be to dump the backup directory over the top of the reinstalled version (that had been backed up) and see if it 'just worked' |
| [15:19:25] | cesman: | gpd: check the mythtv docs |
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| [15:21:27] | cesman: | gpd: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 |
| [15:21:29] | tjcarter: | gpd: specifically, search on the page for restore.sql ;) |
| [15:21:33] | tjcarter: | or that. |
| [15:21:41] | gpd: | ok – great – thanks – perfect stuff |
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| [15:22:05] | tjcarter: | note, if you change the hostname of your myth box when building a new one, you must change the name in the table |
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| [15:22:14] | mkrufky: | i just found some old recording backups (just *.mpeg files) ... it would be nice if mythtv could store all the meta-data in the file headers somewhere so that I could just drop these into my recordings dir and have the db automatically update |
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| [15:22:34] | tjcarter: | if you forget (as I do 100% of the time), you'll have to update it using the mysql client afterward |
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| [15:22:41] | tjcarter: | and you'll feel like a moron. ;) |
| [15:23:03] | tjcarter: | Not that I know this from experience or anything =D |
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| [15:25:15] | tjcarter: | especially since I don't use mysql regularly myself and have to ask for the correct command to update a mysql table |
| [15:31:39] | stuarta: | gunna get wet at wimbledon very soon |
| [15:31:47] | stuarta: | mega black clouds here |
| [15:31:50] | gbee: | mkrufky: that's an interesting point, I wonder what the mpeg2 TS and mpeg4 containers support in the way of user defined metadata |
| [15:32:17] | gbee: | stuarta: already hit us, thunderstorms with extremely heavy rain |
| [15:32:47] | stuarta: | i'd expect that here vv soon |
| [15:35:01] | gbee: | I suspect that neither container really accounts for people wanting metadata in there, whether it even allows for such information at the beginning and end of the file either .... |
| [15:35:29] | mkrufky: | gbee: yeah, i think it would be a cool wish-list feature |
| [15:36:03] | tjcarter: | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7426360998.html |
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| [15:36:08] | tjcarter: | That is useful. |
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| [15:36:28] | mkrufky: | grr my connection sucks |
| [15:37:25] | janneg: | gbee: mpeg2-ts would support that, implementing it as extended file attributes would be easier |
| [15:38:47] | janneg: | and more portable and not dependent on the file type |
| [15:39:29] | gbee: | janneg: yep |
| [15:40:38] | gbee: | I was just wondering whether such a standard as ID3 existed for video, but I guess there isn't anything that portable |
| [15:41:32] | janneg: | gbee: not to my knowledge |
| [15:43:19] | gbee: | figures it wouldn't be that easy ;) |
| [15:44:03] | gbee: | strange really when you consider it that no-one has come up with something |
| [15:45:19] | mkrufky: | well, such a thing would definately ease migration of content between unrelated mythbackends..... also in restoring content that was "accidentally" backed up, only to be found months / years later |
| [15:47:49] | gbee: | a standard format accepted more widely would be nice for exporting/transferring recordings to other devices without the loss of things like title, subtitle and description – but since that doesn't exist, then at least supporting a format within mythtv would be something |
| [15:48:22] | mkrufky: | i agree |
| [15:49:52] | tjcarter: | gbee: well, at least on Macs, we have that. |
| [15:50:29] | tjcarter: | but the world outside of Apple insists on shunning the moov container format =D |
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| [15:54:11] | gbee: | yeah, the idiots .... :p |
| [15:54:35] | mkrufky: | hmm, it would also be nice to have multiple "video" directories ... i suddenly find the need for it |
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| [15:55:03] | gbee: | mkrufky: plan on the table is to extend storage groups to other areas such as video and music |
| [15:55:17] | mkrufky: | nice — that would solve that problem :-) |
| [15:56:36] | mkrufky: | unfortunately, i cant use symlinks as a "quick fix" ... my videos dir is exported over nfs mount and that wont follow symlinks |
| [15:56:58] | directhex: | bind mount! |
| [15:57:27] | ** stuarta 2nds that ** | |
| [15:58:20] | mkrufky: | ah, good idea |
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| [16:16:38] | janneg: | afaik multiple video dirs are already supported with ':' as seperator |
| [16:17:15] | GreyFoxx: | yup that's right |
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| [16:28:10] | ascu1: | hi can someone help me to change default record folder and get the frontend work. |
| [16:33:40] | gbee: | janneg: learnt something new |
| [16:34:02] | GreyFoxx: | the roku player just because more interesting |
| [16:34:12] | GreyFoxx: | s/because/became |
| [16:35:08] | dustybin: | ascu1: load up mythtv-setup and change the storage directories |
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| [16:37:05] | ascu1: | i change /var/lib/mythtv/recordings to /home/username/recordings. After that i click watch tv and nothing happen |
| [16:37:23] | dustybin: | ascu1: make sure the permissions are ok |
| [16:37:46] | dustybin: | chown mythtv:mythtv /home/username/recordings |
| [16:37:57] | dustybin: | chown username:mythtv /home/username/ |
| [16:41:20] | ascu1: | i added others permmissions and its worked |
| [16:43:12] | dustybin: | :-) |
| [16:43:15] | dustybin: | its time to make a start building my LFS system :-) |
| [16:44:58] | Sedorox: | lol |
| [16:45:05] | Sedorox: | how is LFS to do? |
| [16:45:51] | dustybin: | root [ ~ ]# |
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| [16:47:42] | janneg: | gbee: learned that also only one month ago but I don't use mythvideo |
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| [17:04:51] | Hoxzer: | should mythtv automatically run a userjob if it is allowed ? O_o |
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| [17:08:40] | gbee: | janneg: only use mythvideo to store/test any samples I've collected |
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| [17:11:00] | gbee: | may start using mythvideo more after converting it to mythui, use it for films I've recorded, that sort of thing |
| [17:11:21] | mits: | do any of you folks set your pci latency still? |
| [17:11:46] | mits: | I'm remembering the docs about this from a long time ago... haven't seen if this has been made obsolete by some kernel change in the last year |
| [17:12:34] | stuarta: | i'd like to get mythvideo converted to stream from the backend |
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| [17:15:11] | webvictim: | hmm, i need to recompile my ffmpeg so it's got MP3 support |
| [17:15:16] | webvictim: | then i can do the flash video streaming |
| [17:15:20] | webvictim: | this looks daunting |
| [17:16:11] | janneg: | mkrufky: multiple video dirs are already supported with ':' as seperator |
| [17:17:09] | mkrufky: | thanks, janneg! |
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| [17:17:11] | mkrufky: | :-D |
| [17:17:32] | janneg: | you're welcome |
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| [17:30:21] | gbee: | stuarta: same here |
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| [17:30:54] | stuarta: | saves on nfs mounts to the osx frontend |
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| [17:53:23] | stuarta: | more to the point i need to find some time to do some dev |
| [17:53:52] | stuarta: | this wedding malarky takes much time |
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| [18:02:24] | ascu1: | my signal is 34% and i get that locked note when i try to watch tv |
| [18:02:45] | ascu1: | device is artec t14br and kaffeine works fine |
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| [18:31:23] | stuarta: | man the tennis is good today |
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| [18:58:31] | atrus: | where do i configure mythtv-frontend's deinterlace method? i've found a couple places where the wiki refers to configuring it, but both seem to be out of date, as the menus i'm seeing on screen don't reflect what they suggest |
| [18:58:57] | stuarta: | setup / tv / playback |
| [18:59:06] | stuarta: | or something like that |
| [18:59:28] | stuarta: | then it's in the cpu profiles |
| [18:59:37] | stuarta: | bit strange but it does the trick |
| [19:00:06] | atrus: | ah, i see it now. didn't realize there's a second screen inside the playback profile editor |
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| [19:07:05] | ascu1: | anyone know why all channels are unknown |
| [19:07:52] | iamlindoro: | because you haven't properly set up a listings source/run mythfilldatabase |
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| [19:11:39] | ascu1: | not worked, it say that channels cant logged |
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| [19:13:26] | iamlindoro: | Not trying to be rude, but your english is very difficult for me to understand-- until you get your listings provider set up and mythfilldatabase runsproperly, you will have "unknown" for all your channels |
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| [19:30:38] | bsdfox: | is there something wrong with auto transcode on .21-fixes? |
| [19:31:25] | bsdfox: | I set a couple shows up to auto transcode but the jobs never get set.. comm flagging does but not transcoding |
| [19:31:30] | bsdfox: | works fine manually |
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| [19:40:45] | clever: | bsdfox: you need to enable auto transcoding in 2 places |
| [19:41:01] | clever: | once in the encoder profile and once in the recording rule |
| [19:42:14] | bsdfox: | ok |
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| [19:42:50] | bsdfox: | don't see it in the encoder profile |
| [19:43:06] | clever: | 0.21/trunk? |
| [19:43:11] | bsdfox: | nm |
| [19:43:17] | bsdfox: | was looking at transcoders.. got it now, thanks |
| [19:43:22] | clever: | :) |
| [19:43:29] | clever: | another one i use often |
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| [19:43:32] | clever: | delay the transcodes |
| [19:43:54] | bsdfox: | I'm only transcoding some stuff I'm not gonna autoexpire |
| [19:44:17] | bsdfox: | like seinfeld.. forget to transcode a week and I've got 50 to do manually :P |
| [19:44:17] | clever: | setup->setup->tv settings->general |
| [19:44:21] | clever: | in there you can set the default jobs for all new rules |
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| [19:44:33] | clever: | you can also mark it to only transcode 4 days later |
| [19:44:43] | clever: | so you have 4 days to watch it in high quality then it shrinks itself |
| [19:46:03] | clever: | you could also just make a 2nd low quality encode profile and select it in the rule |
| [19:46:12] | clever: | so it just records a smaller file to begin with |
| [19:46:22] | bsdfox: | ahh very cool |
| [19:46:48] | clever: | i was using that to record some shows in rtjpeg because it uses less cpu then mpeg4 |
| [19:46:56] | clever: | back when i had the frame grabber |
| [19:48:13] | clever: | ive now got a pvr150 |
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| [19:53:12] | bsdfox: | hehe I bought a couple frame grabbers on ebay a few years back, never ended up using them |
| [19:54:04] | clever: | i cant use mine anymore |
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| [19:54:21] | clever: | the teevee.ko that i compiled for ivtv conflicts with the teevee.ko for bttv |
| [19:54:28] | clever: | so i cant load both drivers at once |
| [19:55:45] | clever: | id need to compile both sets of drivers from a single source set |
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| [20:05:02] | gbee: | couldn't ask for a better final |
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| [20:15:23] | source_code: | hi can anyone tell me if there is a separate channel for mythtv xbox frontend support |
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| [20:18:34] | atrus: | semi-ot: my wrt54gl running tomato drops its wireless bandwidth substantially, but only after a half hour or so of watching mythtv (where the frontend is on wireless and the backend is on wired). is there anything special about mythtv's traffic that might help me sort this out with the router firmware's forums/lists? |
| [20:18:35] | Alexman: | Holy shit!!! |
| [20:18:41] | Alexman: | federer lose! |
| [20:19:10] | Alexman: | why? |
| [20:19:20] | source_code: | is it possible to modify the x line in inittab to load mythfrontend instead of loading the window manager and then mythfrontend |
| [20:22:49] | jpabq: | Alexman, thanks for the spoiler :( |
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| [20:37:43] | HaSH: | hello all. im using mplayer to play mkv files in mythvideo...but when mythtv opens mplayer my i cant adjust the volume or mute the video. if i normally play the video in mplayer(that is not though myth) it works fine |
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| [20:51:02] | clever: | source_code: anything is posible:P |
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| [20:51:14] | clever: | source_code: i havent even seen X load from inittab since redhat9 |
| [20:51:26] | clever: | im loading my frontend thru a rc.local script |
| [20:53:43] | clever: | source_code: http://pastebin.ca/1064084 |
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| [21:03:19] | GreyFoxx: | I've never really understood the purpose of mythwelcome |
| [21:03:55] | ** gbee either ** | |
| [21:06:33] | clever: | GreyFoxx: less ram usage |
| [21:06:36] | ** directhex either ** | |
| [21:07:02] | clever: | i can leave it running on the master's tvout to get an overview of the system |
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| [21:07:12] | clever: | and have a lirc clickable button to start mythfe |
| [21:07:12] | directhex: | HaSH, you're not using a window manager, are you? |
| [21:08:12] | clever: | directhex: it sounds like he has a gdm starting up from inittab |
| [21:09:15] | directhex: | clever, why does it sound like that? the most probable cause for spawned mplayer not accpeting input is focus trouble, the most probable cause for focus trouble is not using a WM, because you want to be clever & start mythfrontend directly |
| [21:09:49] | clever: | directhex: oops i got HaSH and source_code mixed up |
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| [21:10:15] | directhex: | clever, source_code should learn from HaSH |
| [21:10:36] | clever: | and they should both stop smoking HaSH :P |
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| [21:10:56] | dustybin: | clever: im now compiling binutils on my lfs system |
| [21:11:06] | clever: | fun fun |
| [21:11:11] | dustybin: | it all starts with binutils, not a lot of people know that! |
| [21:11:21] | clever: | i had to rebuild those recently when the hdd went tits up |
| [21:11:28] | jams: | i thought the point was to have an app running to start mythfrontend but still allow mythbacked to sleep when it's idle. |
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| [21:11:56] | clever: | jams: i never shut my master off anyway so i dont need that side of it |
| [21:12:27] | jams: | sure..just saying thats my understanding of why it was written |
| [21:12:35] | clever: | ahh |
| [21:13:12] | jams: | i never use it either |
| [21:13:41] | clever: | since lirc_i2c started to kernel oops, ive stoped using it |
| [21:14:01] | clever: | i cant poke its button thru the network and lirc doesnt work so its not much use anymore |
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| [21:17:30] | Constrabus: | In order to use the interactive TV Guide feature, I have to sign up with Scheduals Direct? |
| [21:18:25] | gbee: | no, you could try getting your guide data elsewhere but for the cost it's probably just easier to use SD |
| [21:18:42] | andreax: | Can someone confirm that mythwelcome is ignoring keypressings from remote control ? |
| [21:19:16] | clever: | andreax: if you fix my lirc i can test that:P |
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| [21:19:37] | gbee: | i.e. ATSC sometimes provides EIT guide data (broadcast guide data receieved through the aerial) but in the US this is patchy and limited, you could also use a screen scaping script with xmltv |
| [21:19:46] | andreax: | mine is working fine so far, even in frontend... but not in welcome.... |
| [21:19:54] | jpabq: | andreax, yup, mythwelcome is busted for lirc. |
| [21:19:57] | gbee: | but generally the options for US users are more limited than they are for other countries |
| [21:20:11] | jpabq: | I *think* I saw a ticket for it, but haven't bothered to check lately. |
| [21:20:27] | andreax: | tomorrow I will buy a 32" flat television, cause my "old" tube explode today... :( |
| [21:20:57] | andreax: | jpabq: Okay, thanks. Just to know... |
| [21:21:02] | jpabq: | You could change that to a :) if you get a 67" instead |
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| [21:21:26] | andreax: | No place in my small rooms for such a dinosaurus! :) |
| [21:21:48] | andreax: | And even my bank account forbid that! :) |
| [21:22:50] | gbee: | Constrabus: in summary mythtv supports a couple of other methods other than Schedules Direct and they are usually free, but for quality and reliable guide data with a minimum of hassle you might as well pay that $20 a year (it's peanuts really) |
| [21:22:55] | andreax: | but I like to put a pure frontend to that screen.... already built the ethernet connection... |
| [21:23:43] | Constrabus: | gbee I was thinking the same. I am very new to mythtv and was just very unsure as to how that data worked. |
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| [21:24:21] | gbee: | FWIW I'm in no way affiliated with SD and I'm not even a customer, I'm fortunate to live in the UK where we have good free data from two sources (xmltv and EIT) |
| [21:24:42] | Constrabus: | gbee luck SOAB |
| [21:24:46] | Constrabus: | lucky* |
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| [21:26:11] | gbee: | Schedules Direct is part run by some of the US mythtv devs, they keep the price as low as possible and any profits are contributed to various open sources projects etc, it's a non-profit which exists purely to serve the community, so not a money grabbing corporation |
| [21:27:13] | andreax: | gbee: Something like that is nearly impossible in germany... :( |
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| [21:32:35] | dustybin: | not a lot of people know this: |
| [21:32:38] | dustybin: | "This target does not just compile GCC, but compiles it several times. It uses the programs compiled in a first round to compile itself a second time, and then again a third time. It then compares these second and third compiles to make sure it can reproduce itself flawlessly. This also implies that it was compiled correctly. " |
| [21:32:42] | EvilGuru: | The radiotimes is very good at providing high-quality lisitngs two weeks in advanced |
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| [23:14:59] | TeslaTony: | I'm looking for a source within the US that carries more than 2 mini-itx motherboards. Anyone have any suggestions? |
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| [23:15:23] | directhex: | why do you want mini-itx? |
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| [23:16:06] | TeslaTony: | They're small, rather power-efficient, and can be put into cigar boxes |
| [23:16:55] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: you around? |
| [23:17:26] | cesman: | TeslaTony: Logic Supply |
| [23:18:57] | TeslaTony: | Ahh...this looks like what I want. Thanks |
| [23:19:14] | fryfrog: | anyone ever heard of "internal bitmap" on kernel soft raid? |
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| [23:23:45] | |Torg|: | fryfrog what do you want to know about it? |
| [23:24:07] | fryfrog: | just trying to find out a little more about it |
| [23:24:09] | directhex: | why do people wtill want mini-itx? O_o |
| [23:24:42] | fryfrog: | i've discovered that it can reduce rebuild time by a huge amount, and i assume it is some sort of... log of actions? |
| [23:24:53] | |Torg|: | its used to mark what parts of the array is being writtent to, keeping track of what part is dirty so when a resync is done it can do a partial instead of a full |
| [23:24:56] | fryfrog: | i find a lot of talk about how to enable it, what the performance costs are... |
| [23:25:02] | fryfrog: | ahhhhh |
| [23:25:42] | |Torg|: | http://ubuntumagnet.com/2008/01/write-intent-bitmaps-md-devices |
| [23:25:50] | fryfrog: | thanks |
| [23:25:54] | |Torg|: | I dont use it myself, but it seems to impact performance, adversly |
| [23:26:50] | fryfrog: | wow, i was just reading something else that shows the same thing |
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| [23:27:15] | fryfrog: | http://blog.liw.fi/posts/write-intent-bitmaps/ |
| [23:28:05] | |Torg|: | well one test does not make a good benchmark :P |
| [23:28:35] | |Torg|: | If you really, really want to know you have to run multiple tests against it, differnt sizes, etc |
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| [23:28:43] | |Torg|: | even then you are simulating real work experiance |
| [23:29:10] | |Torg|: | but its been my part experiance that software raid sucks, well sucks is not a proper word but I really do not like it |
| [23:29:25] | |Torg|: | anything you add to that to give you reduncy will make it suck more |
| [23:29:33] | fryfrog: | i'm happy with linux software raid, it does great for me |
| [23:29:42] | |Torg|: | but that is my opinion |
| [23:30:14] | fryfrog: | and you are right, i'd need to test to see how internal bitmap changes my array |
| [23:30:25] | fryfrog: | but nearly *every* article i read mentions a performance degradation |
| [23:30:28] | |Torg|: | try it yourself and see what it does, if it take out so much performace you cant use it then dont, if it still fists your needs then use it |
| [23:32:05] | fryfrog: | thats a pretty accurate descripton of what i'm going to do :) |
| [23:33:20] | cesman: | directhex: mini-itx is no longer only Via |
| [23:34:49] | iamlindoro: | The corollary question is why do people still want to build boxes that can only handle analog SD |
| [23:35:04] | directhex: | cesman, sure. but you either end up spekding a bomb, or making major compromises |
| [23:38:00] | cesman: | "spekding"? |
| [23:38:07] | cesman: | Guess, I'll have to look that up |
| [23:38:09] | gbee: | spending |
| [23:38:19] | cesman: | iamlindoro that is no longer the case... |
| [23:38:39] | cesman: | I've build mini-itx core2duo that have no issue w/ HD |
| [23:38:41] | iamlindoro: | cesman: What mini-itx did you have in mind that's going to be more than a toy? |
| [23:38:56] | directhex: | iamlindoro, something from aopen, presumably |
| [23:39:16] | cesman: | iamlindoro going to eat...bbl |
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| [23:56:53] | EnderTheThird: | Anyone know where I can get the patches for playing BD/HD media in Mplayer? The link on the Wiki isn't working. |
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