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Friday, July 4th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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iamlindoro:

hey, sorry, phone

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iamlindoro:

Once support for all the audio formats goes into ffmpeg SVN, then auto-detection of the stuff will get added to mplayer when someone is interested in it

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iamlindoro:

as for passthrough, not possible right now-- more on that...

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EnderTheThird:

damn

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iamlindoro:

Most receivers can't parse the new audio formats

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EnderTheThird:

so i won't have surround sound?

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Dagmar:

That depends

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iamlindoro:

and for the few that can, most of the new audio formats can't fit in the bandwidth of optical or coaxial

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Dagmar:

Hah

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EnderTheThird:

ha

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Dagmar:

Nothing not patent-protected fits over optical because it's CHEAP ASS OPTICAL

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Dagmar:

Coax isn't a *whole* lot better

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iamlindoro:

All that said, once the formats are all in libavcodec, it should be no big deal to transcode to AC3 on the fly

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EnderTheThird:

what does your audio come through as now then?

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iamlindoro:

for reference, and this is purely from reading ffmpeg-dev, MLP/TrueHD went into ffmpeg SVN this week-- but I haven't tested that yet

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: 2 Channel PCM

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EnderTheThird:

kind of a bummer with the pretty picture but non surround sound then huh?

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EnderTheThird:

granted i have faith they'll get around that before too long

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iamlindoro:

so anyway, with MLP/TrueHD in ffmpeg SVN, and E-AC3 really REALLY close to going in, ffmpeg and mplayer should have native support for the formats in a month or so

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iamlindoro:

and that christ, no more of me updating patches

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EnderTheThird:

oh wow, i was just hoping end of the year, haha

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iamlindoro:

er thank christ

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EnderTheThird:

now the content rips, those aren't changed at all? (ie, it's already getting everything off the disk now, so i'm not wasting time and having to rerip these later)

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: yeah, optical and coax pretty much blow. Maybe we'll actually see some decent HDMI audio options in linux before too long

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: it's a copy of it exactly as any BluRay player would see it

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EnderTheThird:

it's kind of a niche market. look how long it took for the HD-PVR to come out

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: only thing changed is the stripping of the AACS/BD+

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: cool. thanks.

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EnderTheThird:

what the hell.... .02 MB/s now

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EnderTheThird:

methinks something ain't right, heh

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EnderTheThird:

make that .01

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iamlindoro:

Methinks VMWare is free and seemed to work well ;)

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directhex:

networking in virtualbox blows

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EnderTheThird:

jumped to 1.6 now. I might need to go with VMware

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EnderTheThird:

i used to use VMware, but then Vbox was all packaged in a cute little .deb for me

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Yeah well, when we get the theoretical firmware update that was supposed to be one of the selling points of HDMI that will upgrade our TVs to HDMI 1.3 we

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Dagmar:

er we;ll be able to do 7 channels of uncompressed PCM audio

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Dagmar:

Of course, that will come bundled with HDCP checks that disable our video entirely if the sending device isn't a monopoly-approved piece of hardwar.e

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iamlindoro:

yeah. My receiver does 7.1 but I only have 5 speakers installed so I'll probably just figure out on-the-fly transcodes

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iamlindoro:

I am not sold on the advantage of 7 speakers over 5 :)

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EnderTheThird:

crap. starting to think i should have made my install partition bigger than 13GB on this 1TB drive. now i'll have to shuffle some stuff around for VMs

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EnderTheThird:

xfs filesystem's can't be resized, right?

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iamlindoro:

Pretty sure they can

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iamlindoro:

xfs_growfs I think

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EnderTheThird:

I'l try with gparted later

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: HVR-1800 isn't going to work with this system :P

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TheMaverick`:

it's PCI-E, mobo only has PCI :\

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iamlindoro:

TheMaverick`: HVR-1600 then

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TheMaverick`:

same features i'm assuming?

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TheMaverick`:

or similar

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iamlindoro:

Sloce

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iamlindoro:

er close

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TheMaverick`:

dyslexia?

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iamlindoro:

The 1800 can record two things at a time, one analog and one digital

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TheMaverick`:

:P

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iamlindoro:

the 1600 can record one thing at a time, but can record both types

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iamlindoro:

and the 1600 is PCI, of course

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TheMaverick`:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;Order=PRICE

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iamlindoro:

Yes, those are correct

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TheMaverick`:

ok

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TheMaverick`:

now to figure out which one is the right one for my situation

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iamlindoro:

If you need a remote, I strongly recommend the MCE edition

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TheMaverick`:

is it safe to assume the card has the IR receiver?

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: you know of a 64bit deb for vmware? I'm getting errors using their script

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TheMaverick`:

or whatever interface it uses for the remote

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: worked fine on 64 bit for me, did you install ia32-libs?

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iamlindoro:

TheMaverick`: the MCE comes with a USB receiver/IR Blaster and excellent remote

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Alexman:

i always wonder why vendors doesn't writing about linux support? creates some felling of geeking?

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EnderTheThird:

apparently not. thing i was looking at didnt' mention that one. i'll give it another try

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: i see two with remotes

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iamlindoro:

TheMaverick`: listen-- the *mce*

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iamlindoro:

I promise I know what I'm talking about :)

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TheMaverick`:

ah.. oops lol

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TheMaverick`:

ty

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: http://blog.fekw.de/2008/05/30/kubuntu-804-64 . . . all-guide/5/

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TheMaverick`:

and your knowledge is not in question :P

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xtknight:

anyone know how to set the alsa device properly? i tried DEFAULT And analog for my card, neither seemed tow ork

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xtknight:

i have headphones hooked up to an alsa and pulseaudio-supported, 2 channel pcm sound card

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clever:

yay

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clever:

another deadlock

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clever:

QMutex::lock: Deadlock detected in thread -1270638336

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xtknight:

ok, /dev/dsp1 worked

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iamlindoro:

if you're using /dev/dsp you're not using ALSA any more :)

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xtknight:

ya OSS right? but no problem w/ that i suppose

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xtknight:

ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM analog

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clever:

on most of my systems the oss is fake

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clever:

oss emulation ontop of alsa

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xtknight:

i'm very confused why some channels corrupt my video and others are fine... some HD are fine, some HD aren't

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xtknight:

like full blown bright corruption (as if somebody killed the memory)

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iamlindoro:

If you see artifacting and macroblocking, that's usually a sign of poor signal

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xtknight:

yeah it's not compressin problems, it's xv output problems

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xtknight:

stuff is shifted, weird tinted rectangles, etc

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clever:

i can get some realy weird problems if i just play a 'broken' avi file

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xtknight:

yeah true... it's my whole screen actually too

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clever:

fun to watch how video codecs break

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xtknight:

like the UI goes broken

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clever:

gives you an idea on how the codec works internaly

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xtknight:

it's not missing b-frame decoding or any of that... but like random pixels overheating corruption

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clever:

the lcd panel in one of my laptops is toast

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xtknight:

clever, what card do you have?

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clever:

theres rgb snow all over the place

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clever:

and certain colors flicker

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xtknight:

hehe

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clever:

which is most noticable in animated videos

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clever:

where theres large patches of that color

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clever:

which turn pink and flicker

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xtknight:

oh dithering

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xtknight:

or something worse?

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clever:

i think the lcd panel is loosing some of the high order bits in the color codes

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clever:

or something

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clever:

id have to take a pic of it

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clever:

the panel was allready toast when we got it, cheap, just for the hinges on it

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xtknight:

i'm a little peeved that i got the radeon hd card and not a whole ton works with it, but i guess it's no one's fault but mine for not checking

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clever:

then the hinges broke in the exact same place:P

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clever:

poor design

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clever:

xtknight: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . 0.png/_full_

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clever:

is your problem something like that?

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xtknight:

clever, not quite, one sec i got shots of it

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xtknight:

much closer tho

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clever:

in that image, i have 2 programs using opengl at once

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clever:

mythtv and compiz

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xtknight:

ya i disabled compiz here

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xtknight:

i know that messes everytnig up

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clever:

and they are writing ontop of eachothers textures

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clever:

compiz works great with myth aslong as i dont try to use gl in myth

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clever:

for me

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xtknight:

mine only happens on certain channels

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xtknight:

maybe a texture alocation problem

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xtknight:

i bet it is

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clever:

save the recording

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xtknight:

e.g. http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2477/screenshot2ni3.jpg

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clever:

and play it back in something like mplayer

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clever:

do you see the same defect?

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xtknight:

havent tried yet i will do that in a moment

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xtknight:

when i figure out how ;)

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iamlindoro:

xtknight: Change your deinterlacer and try again

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xtknight:

and here http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/649/screenshot1ve7.jpg

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xtknight:

ok

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iamlindoro:

Bet those HD channels that work are 720p :)

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clever:

i saw the same defect as http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2477/screenshot2ni3.jpg at a future shop last month

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clever:

there was a tv doing some demo video

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clever:

with the image duplicated the exact same way

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xtknight:

not sure

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clever:

no computer in the loop

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xtknight:

half the time mythfrontend doesnt even start, i dunno why

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xtknight:

it segfaults half the time i start it

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xtknight:

where's the deinterlacing options again?

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, page three

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clever:

hit m while playing

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clever:

or dig thru the playback profiles somewhere in setup

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clever:

that area

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xtknight:

hmmm

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xtknight:

it isn't too clear to me what's going on here, but i think i have 5 profiles for when the resolution is >1280, etc, etc..

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xtknight:

i don't have it like they show here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Deinterlacing

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iamlindoro:

That's what it looked like in .20

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iamlindoro:

edit each profile, change all the deinterlacers in the second page of each (or turn them off) and test again

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Dagmar:

xtknight: Honestly, those are damn confusing

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Dagmar:

I just make a new one and set it all nice and simple-like

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xtknight:

cool well i dont seem to be having corruption now, it's just slow

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xtknight:

i changed the output to x11 pixel copy instead of xv-blit

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xtknight:

i think that was it

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iamlindoro:

oof, you *don't* want that

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xtknight:

apparently i want xv even less :P

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xtknight:

probably these ati drivers i dont know

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iamlindoro:

Pretty doubtful it was Xv that did it, but whatever makes you happy

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iamlindoro:

should have left Xv alone and edited the deinterlacers like I said

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gregL:

iamlindoro: I was reading up the log a ways and was wondering what blue ray drive you are using,if you don't mind?

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xtknight:

ok well it works great with opengl/opengl2 as well

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xtknight:

could have been the deinterlacers, im using greedy now instead of linear blend

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iamlindoro:

gregL: A Sony drive, but one will work the same as the next, really

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xtknight:

i would have thought linearblend was the safest option but maybe not

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xtknight:

anyway it works so good 'nuff

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gregL:

iamlindoro: Ok thanks i am a bit interested in this..I have a ps3, i wish it would work with mythtv...

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clever:

QMutex::lock: Deadlock detected in thread -1270544128

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clever:

yay more crashy crashy

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xtknight:

clever, what's that?

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clever:

my frontend locking up:P

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xtknight:

oh :p

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xtknight:

is it pretty much hopeless then to be able to get encrypted HD with myth?

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xtknight:

(or, any tuning on linux i assume)

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xtknight:

i haven't seen cablecard devices available except to OEMs..

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iamlindoro:

even if you could get a cablecard device, there is no support for cablecard tuners in linux

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iamlindoro:

Hauppauge has a new component capture device out that will capture HD from a STB. It has basic linux and myth support now

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xtknight:

ah neat

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xtknight:

i have an HVR 1800

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iamlindoro:

but both the driver and myth support are extremely alpha

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clever:

then you need an external decoder box that you normaly feed the tv with

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xtknight:

i dont think it does that tho

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iamlindoro:

no, it does not

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iamlindoro:

only the HD-PVR does this

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xtknight:

do any cable providers not encrypt HD like national geographic, discovery, etc?

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xtknight:

or satellite

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xtknight:

or do the channel owners mandate it

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TheMaverick`:

anyone know if Brighthouse of Central Florida encrypts?

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iamlindoro:

nope, all encrypted AFAIK, but if you happen to be very very very lucky, some places you can get channels using the firewire out of your STB

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xtknight:

ya i can do that

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xtknight:

motorola dvr

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xtknight:

it's just too slow

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iamlindoro:

but for most people it is just a few channels

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iamlindoro:

too... slow?

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xtknight:

and ya it didnt work for all of them

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iamlindoro:

what's too slow?

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xtknight:

the ones it did work for, it could not keep up in fps

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iamlindoro:

that's playback, has nothing to do with recording-- you need a faster/better machine

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xtknight:

it was losing frames and everrtying

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xtknight:

they were corrupted

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xtknight:

like damaged

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xtknight:

but sometimes it worked

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iamlindoro:

xtknight: firewire just dumps teh digital signal exactly as the cable box gets it, nothing fancy. So the problem is not with firewire.

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xtknight:

it cold have been my signal strength here

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xtknight:

i can dump a recording just fine

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xtknight:

over firewire

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xtknight:

i just hit play and i can grab the mpeg2 stream

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iamlindoro:

so again.. you need a better machine. Trying to use the HD-PVr will require a FAR more powerful machine than your firewire recordings

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xtknight:

another problem is, with livetv, i neede to have a bigger cache

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iamlindoro:

that is, the Hauppauge HD-PVR (product name)

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: if my processor meets the min specs of the HVR-1600, would I experience performance problems? or is that a very loose minimum?

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TheMaverick`:

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (2.2GHz)

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iamlindoro:

TheMaverick`: Not sure what they recommend, but that's likely for windows. Still, it's probably a fairly decent guideline under linux as well

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iamlindoro:

That should be fine ot play ATSC streams without issue, TheMaverick`

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iamlindoro:

er to play

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TheMaverick`:

and apparently I won't be able to play most of the Digital (thru the cable line) stations?

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TheMaverick`:

because of encryption

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iamlindoro:

play, record... correct, extremely likely that 90% of your channels will be encrypted

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iamlindoro:

what is your zip code?

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TheMaverick`:

32950

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xtknight:

ive got comcast and 90% of mine were encrypted

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xtknight:

i can get some locals, and sd 480i shopping networks

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TheMaverick`:

and 32608

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TheMaverick`:

32608 has standard, non-digital cable

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iamlindoro:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . tcode=32950.

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TheMaverick`:

and over-the-air stations as well

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iamlindoro:

Two sections, one is Over the Air, one is Digital cable

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TheMaverick`:

page isn't loading :\

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iamlindoro:

took forever for me, perhaps they are having issues

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iamlindoro:

ah well, save and look later

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iamlindoro:

very little unencrypted

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TheMaverick`:

so... digital is pretty much useless?

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TheMaverick`:

and soon analog will be non-existent

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iamlindoro:

no, if you watch anything on NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, and the like then you will get perfect copies of those things

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TheMaverick`:

they really don't want us watching TV on our computers do they...

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iamlindoro:

They could care less where you watch it, they just want you to watch ads and not give copies to your friends

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TheMaverick`:

:\

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TheMaverick`:

encryption is annoying

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TheMaverick`:

DRM*

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TheMaverick`:

and i'm assuming no one has come up with a way to decrypt the streams

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xtknight:

moving from analog->digital seems to be giving us less freedom

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TheMaverick`:

^same thoughts here

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iamlindoro:

Nope, and we wouldn't chat about it here if anyone had-- but they haven't :)

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TheMaverick`:

better quality... but less freedom

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xtknight:

back in the days of analog the consumer was the rights manager ;)

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clever:

iamlindoro: or atleast you claim they haven't:P

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: to be honest, decryption isn't bad... cracking is :P

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iamlindoro:

clever: nobody *has* decrypted US Cable-- if you want to put all the combined power of your 300 bare 386 SX boards to the task, be my guest :)

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TheMaverick`:

i'm just wondering how the cable box knows the encryption keys...

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xtknight:

probably easier to crack than bd/hddvd isnt it

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clever:

ive poked at brute forcing something totaly unrelated before

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iamlindoro:

Evidently not

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clever:

if i used 300 million computers

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iamlindoro:

as BD has been cracked wide open and cable hasn't

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clever:

it would still take over 1million times the age of the universe to crack

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TheMaverick`:

just a reminder... "crack" is not a safe word lol

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xtknight:

i tihnk people just dont care about cracking cable

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iamlindoro:

then you are mistaken :)

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xtknight:

as much as hddvd/bd etc

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xtknight:

it's just not the same community

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clever:

the chunk of code i made would never find the key to that system in a billion years:P

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xtknight:

that's so devoted to defeating the place where drm originated

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TheMaverick`:

clever: sometimes keys are found at random by luck :P

[01:34:03]

clever:

this key is a-zA-Z0–9 and 64 characters long

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clever:

do the math

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clever:

i can test about 500k/second on the avg system

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TheMaverick`:

still... if you choose "random" combinations, you have a chance

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TheMaverick`:

it's a slim chance, but still a chance

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

with luck it will only take half the time

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TheMaverick`:

if you have the resources, i'd run with it :P

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clever:

on avg

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clever:

the problem is, its imposible to get the needed resources

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clever:

acording to a quick google theres arround 300million computers in the world

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TheMaverick`:

as far as i know... you just need an otherwise idle system

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TheMaverick`:

:P

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clever:

if i used every single one of them, it would still take several million times the age of the universe

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clever:

i could make it into a boinc project but even then theres just not enough mater on the planet to make the needed number of computers

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xtknight:

quantum computers?

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clever:

walking thru the keyspace 1 bit at a time and testing is imposible

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TheMaverick`:

the point is not to exhaust all possible keys and come to the correct one through elimination... it is randomly finding the right one

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clever:

yeah we would need to move to the next step in computing to solve it

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xtknight:

if every operation could be completed at the speed of light, man imagine how encryption would become totally useless

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xtknight:

we'd be screwed

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clever:

its basicaly taking the 'secret' which is 64chars and a 'random' and then md5'ing it

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clever:

then using the first bytes of the md5 hash as the output

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iamlindoro:

I hope we all realize we are *not* talking about the encryption of cable right now

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: of course not

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clever:

i have control of the 'random' input and can read the output 80% of the time

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clever:

in theory i could give it 4kb of random+secret to hijack the internals of the md5 algo

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: i'm talking about statistical chance :P

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Computer_Czar:

Sounds like an academic exercise

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clever:

to discover what the secret is

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clever:

but id need to know md5 inside&out to do so

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iamlindoro:

Computer_Czar: clever *is* an academic exercise, god help his parents

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Computer_Czar:

lol

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clever:

yeah:P

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TheMaverick`:

clever: e-mail Ron Rivest :P

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clever:

who?!

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TheMaverick`:

MD5 creator

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TheMaverick`:

;)

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xtknight:

heard of rainbow tables?

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clever:

lol

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clever:

xtknight: rainbow tables are useless for this

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clever:

the time to generate the rainbow table

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Computer_Czar:

Devote yourself to more reasonable tasks ...

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clever:

would be equal(or more) to the time to walk the whole damn key space

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clever:

several million times the age of the universe

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Computer_Czar:

uumm ... not of questionable legality

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xtknight:

http://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~selinger/md5collision/

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xtknight:

:)

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xtknight:

ok getting a little offtopic

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clever:

the only thing a rainbow table helps with is speeding up repeated searches

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clever:

md5 collisions may help

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TheMaverick`:

yea... more about MythTV

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clever:

but i can only see a few bits of the first 6 bytes of the hash

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TheMaverick`:

no more math

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clever:

each byte of the hash gets x % 26

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TheMaverick`:

this kind of math is dangerous to discuss on freenode

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clever:

until i have 6 numbers from 0–26

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TheMaverick`:

clever: seriously :P

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Computer_Czar:

TheMaverick`: I would imagine so

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clever:

come to my network then:P

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clever:

pm me for the location

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TheMaverick`:

lol

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TheMaverick`:

i started all this

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** TheMaverick` sighs **

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Computer_Czar:

I'm just waiting for my wife to bring home dinner ...

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TheMaverick`:

Computer_Czar: and what's that :)

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clever:

Computer_Czar: im waiting for my dinner to magicaly cook itself:P

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Computer_Czar:

It a surprise ... I just told her no hamburgers

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clever:

(lazy)

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TheMaverick`:

ah...

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xtknight:

they need to come up with HDTV Dinners now. "TVs" are no longer

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TheMaverick`:

should tell us what it is when the nice lady returns :)

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Computer_Czar:

xtknight: Good idea ... great marketing gimic

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TheMaverick`:

xtknight: LMAO

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xtknight:

spaghetti is the interlaced one :D

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clever:

lol

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** TheMaverick` dies laughing **

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Computer_Czar:

You could make them "bigger" or put something in them that is some how better

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Computer_Czar:

Maybe make them look better

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xtknight:

now you can see all the grains of sugar

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xtknight:

individually

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TheMaverick`:

"higher resolution"

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Computer_Czar:

on the package maybe

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xtknight:

and the cilantro can no longer hide from you

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TheMaverick`:

pfff

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Computer_Czar:

Go write your disertation

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TheMaverick`:

would be a nice thing to be famous for :P

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TheMaverick`:

the MAFIAA would hate me :-S

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iamlindoro:

You know, there's something to be said for having fun stuff hacked by juveniles... nobody to punish :)

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: problem... I'm an adult lol

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Dagmar:

Do juvenile motives count?

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iamlindoro:

wasn't talking about you

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TheMaverick`:

iamlindoro: that hurt lol

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TheMaverick`:

you cut me deep, real deep

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Dagmar:

Damn fontforge

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dmz:

howdy y'all, my cable provider changed their channel linup. i got schedulesdirect to update their listing now all my recordings "do not match"..what's the easiest way to reset my recordings?

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dmz:

they actually say "not listed"

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cesman:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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dmz:

i did do that

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dmz:

it has the channel listings fine now

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dmz:

just a few recordings

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dmz:

say "this show was not recorded because this rule does not match any showing in the current program listings"

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dmz:

even though i'm on the schedule & its listed right there

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dmz:

i even tried saying to not record it but now it wno't even give the option to record

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dmz:

its sad when 1TB of storage isn't enough anymore

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Dagmar:

dmz: Welcome to my world. I'm up to 2Tb but I *think* that'll be enough

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Dagmar:

...at least until I buy an HD-PVR>

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dmz:

it won't be for me :)

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dmz:

i've got 1TB of movies and 600M of recordings and i've got a lot of the kids recordings deleting after 8 episodes

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dmz:

yeah i want an HD pvr too

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dmz:

do hd pvr's get higher cable channels too (> 130/140/etc)?

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Dagmar:

They don't "get" channels.

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Dagmar:

They are only an encoder. You connect an STB to them via component video output.

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dmz:

well i'm use to my pvr550 which has tuner built in

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Dagmar:

That's what I'm using at the moment.

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dmz:

i'd like to get a digital tuner to get more than the standard basic analog channels

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Dagmar:

WHen I "go digital" that thing will only be useful to me for what I can do with it's s-video inputs

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Dagmar:

dmz: There really isn't an option for doing what you're aiming to at the oment.

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Dagmar:

Not in the states anyway

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Dagmar:

Ya pretty much have to get an STB with component output.

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Dagmar:

There'll be a firewire port on it, but good luck using it. Most cable francises basically have them disabled for everything but channel changes.

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fryfrog:

how is the myth/linux hd-pvr support coming along?

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dmz:

it's great if you get a card for it :)

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fryfrog:

?

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fryfrog:

i mean the usb x264 encoder

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dmz:

nothing to "come along" with it

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dmz:

it works

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dmz:

ah usb

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dmz:

i was thinking the pci hd card the eff was selling :)

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Dagmar:

dmz: Doesn't work 100% with Myth yet

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Dagmar:

There's a page on the wiki about it

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Dagmar:

Bleh. I gotta change something on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Digital_Television

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dmz:

really? it's been out for like 3 or 4 years

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fryfrog:

dmz: you are thinking of something else

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Dagmar:

dmz: The HD-PVR?

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dmz:

yeah

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Dagmar:

You are mistaken, sahr.

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fryfrog:

dmz: the hd-pvr is a new (as in weeks old) product from haupage that is usb and has *component* input, which it converts to h264

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dmz:

ah that

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dmz:

i'm not up on "new" equipment, too busy to pay attention :-D

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fryfrog:

as in, it can be used with cable and sat boxes and does hd, which we've been missing out on

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Dagmar:

Their "new" equipment is pretty much the *only* way to record 1080 video without shelling out $2G

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dmz:

i only have like 4 channels in HD and no shows on them that i'd care to record :)

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dmz:

i'm really only interested in the non-standard analog cable channels (130+)

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fryfrog:

dmz: then use a STB + PVR500 + S-Video

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dmz:

svideo from cable box & ir blaster to change channels?

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dmz:

problem is we only have 1 cable box in the house and wife won't let me have myth box take over controls

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Dagmar:

Well, *ideally* you'd probably want to use firewire to change channesl fi you can

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dmz:

hmm that is a better idea

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dmz:

i would get better quality too

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dmz:

i'll have to check on a 2nd cable box

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Dagmar:

Umm.. no.

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Dagmar:

Changing channels with firewire wouldn't change the quality.

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dmz:

svideo will have better quality than what i'm feeding directly in via cable tuner to 500

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Dagmar:

It would just eliminate the chance of "misses" and possibly some unsightly cables taped to the front of things.

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Dagmar:

dmz: No to that, too.

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dmz:

firewire woudl make dealing w/irblaster be easier too (even though i have one, they are a problem)

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dmz:

actually you haven't seen my cable here

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dmz:

off the cable box it's "clear"

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dmz:

off myth box it is grainy

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Dagmar:

If you're plugging the coax into the PVR-500, no external box is going to make that clearer

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dmz:

no if i switch from coax -> svideo off cable box

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dmz:

it'll be better than what i have now going directly on coax

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Dagmar:

Then something's wrong with your tuner card

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dmz:

no some channels are great, some are not

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dmz:

could be card

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dmz:

could be cable

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dmz:

could be some thing in the wiring of the house

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dmz:

all i know is when it goes directly into my tv I can get 200+ channels, when it goes into cable box i get 200+ channels and both are all clear, when i go into pvr500 i get 120 or so channels and some are clear some are not

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dmz:

scifi is good so i've not cared :)

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Dagmar:

Set the channel range properly.

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dmz:

too much work :)

[04:22:33]

Dagmar:

dmz: Don't be a lamer.

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Dagmar:

http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/cablech.html

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Dagmar:

Note that cable-irc and cable-hrc are very, very close to one another

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Dagmar:

Ju-u-u-u-ust enough to account for poor/partial reception on many channels.

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dmz:

i'll get around to tweekign it eventually

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Dagmar:

Just go into mythtv-setup and change the tuning profile

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dmz:

but for now the kids are happy, i'm happy..just want to get a few higher channels than the pvr500 card tuner cn go (disney is on 144:()

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dmz:

i know where it's @, will get to it when i do

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Dagmar:

144 would not be an analog cable channel.

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dmz:

i've got too many other things to do

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dmz:

i know, i want digital cable receiver for myth box

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dmz:

:)

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dmz:

so when i do decide to tweek channel freq

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Dagmar:

There is no "tweek"ing with digital

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dmz:

there how far do you suggest i change current # to try? i figure it'll take a while to do each channel

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Dagmar:

You either have a signal lock, or you have nothing.

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Dagmar:

Dude, LOOK at the chart

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dmz:

i am looking at the chart

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Dagmar:

You aren't supposed to need to fine-tune each channel unless something really flaky is going on at the cable company

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dmz:

ah it's not a range

[04:28:17]

dmz:

so just need to determin if i'm hrc or irc then right?

[04:28:21]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[04:28:32]

Dagmar:

...or "standard"

[04:28:49]

Dagmar:

...although cable-irc is really, really close to standard cable.

[04:29:18]

Dagmar:

It should take you all of 15 minutes at most to test all three settings.

[04:29:52]

dmz:

let me look at the mythsetup again

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dmz:

under channel editor?

[04:31:35]

Dagmar:

Under the menu above that IIRC where you set the cable listings source

[04:31:58]

Dagmar:

The screen where you put in the schedulesdirect username and password, just below them IIRC

[04:32:47]

dmz:

let me test

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dmz:

what is the most common hrc or irc? is there any way to tell what it is w/out manually testing it?

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Dagmar:

You could call the cable company and ask them, but what would require talking to someone with a clue.

[04:44:04]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, you just set one of the three and see which one looks right

[04:58:28]

dmz:

uh oh, now it seems like i have 2 listings for every channel, one that has "unknonw" which is what i can watch and then one with the actual shows on them. did a mythdatabase refresh

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dmz:

hmm it's not all channels, doing mythfill with do_channel_update, lets see if that makes it happy

[05:05:19]

dmz:

it's better i think i need to change the cable going to it with a newer one

[05:06:38]

phunyguy:

aloha

[05:06:51]

phunyguy:

sup Dagmar

[05:06:56]

Dagmar:

heya

[05:07:09]

phunyguy:

heh

[05:07:16]

phunyguy:

yeah eveidently i got my remote working

[05:07:24]

phunyguy:

:)

[05:07:53]

Dagmar:

That's good

[05:07:54]

phunyguy:

evidently*

[05:08:07]

Dagmar:

I did some work with the shrinky dinks.

[05:08:10]

phunyguy:

did you see the breakdown of what happened?

[05:08:19]

Dagmar:

It looks like this is going to be a completely viable means for making case badges.

[05:08:23]

Dagmar:

Nah

[05:08:33]

phunyguy:

you made that wiki, right?

[05:08:45]

Dagmar:

which wiki?

[05:08:58]

phunyguy:

hmmmmm.

[05:09:08]

phunyguy:

ok i get names confused easy...

[05:09:09]

Dagmar:

I write a lot of stuff on wikis

[05:09:17]

phunyguy:

so bear with me

[05:09:20]

Dagmar:

Okay

[05:10:59]

phunyguy:

were you the one to offer me the link with the many troubleshooting steps?

[05:11:48]

Dagmar:

I showed you a link that had some nice infographic representations of LIRC's operational theory, and mentions of which tools can be used to debug which steps.

[05:12:38]

phunyguy:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC <---- this one???

[05:12:45]

Dagmar:

Yeah that looks like it

[05:12:49]

phunyguy:

lol.

[05:12:51]

phunyguy:

yeah.

[05:12:56]

phunyguy:

i hate you.

[05:13:00]

Dagmar:

We have so many people who have problems with lirc I had to redo big chunks of htat

[05:13:03]

Dagmar:

Why?

[05:13:16]

phunyguy:

made me thing my lircd.conf was botched

[05:13:16]

Dagmar:

I'm not the one who invented IR signaling

[05:13:25]

Dagmar:

It might well have been for all I know

[05:14:10]

phunyguy:

it wasnt

[05:14:12]

phunyguy:

well

[05:14:15]

phunyguy:

you forgot one thing

[05:14:25]

Dagmar:

No, I didn't.

[05:14:40]

phunyguy:

remote input doesnt necessarily need to be taken from its respetive reciever

[05:14:45]

Dagmar:

There's two configuration files for pretty much every LIRC deployment.

[05:14:47]

Dagmar:

Huh?

[05:14:48]

phunyguy:

im using a commandIR

[05:14:52]

Dagmar:

So what

[05:15:00]

phunyguy:

which was taking the remote input

[05:15:06]

phunyguy:

well my remote is a dvico

[05:15:19]

Dagmar:

Yer point being?

[05:15:21]

phunyguy:

the driver for the reciever is different than a commandir

[05:15:27]

Dagmar:

Of course it is.

[05:15:32]

phunyguy:

i had the driver as a commandir

[05:15:46]

phunyguy:

when the remote WAS a divico, but the driver is NOT

[05:15:58]

Dagmar:

So you were expecting to use an IR reciever dongle, but were using the commandIR unit.

[05:15:59]

phunyguy:

WELL THANKS FOR TELLLING ME

[05:16:01]

Dagmar:

Of course that won't work

[05:16:10]

phunyguy:

see my point?

[05:16:16]

Dagmar:

Hey man, what part of "hardware specific driver" eluded you

[05:16:20]

Dagmar:

That should be common sense, imho

[05:16:25]

phunyguy:

listen.

[05:16:34]

phunyguy:

i asked about my hardware.conf

[05:16:36]

Dagmar:

I avoided describing (C) for a reason.

[05:16:39]

phunyguy:

and got ignored

[05:16:49]

phunyguy:

i asked like 3 times

[05:16:51]

Dagmar:

I never saw any questions about that, nor do I even recognize that filename.

[05:16:54]

phunyguy:

"ARE YOU SURE"

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phunyguy:

well you arent to blame

[05:17:16]

phunyguy:

it was another douche.

[05:17:19]

Dagmar:

Don't let it bother you too much

[05:17:25]

phunyguy:

i thank you for your help.

[05:17:31]

Dagmar:

THe next time you deal with lirc, for *any* reason, this will be easy

[05:17:41]

phunyguy:

i got called "criminally stupid"

[05:17:45]

Dagmar:

It's always the inital getting-the-head-around-it that is painful for people.

[05:17:50]

phunyguy:

"retarded"

[05:17:51]

phunyguy:

etc

[05:17:52]

Dagmar:

/always/

[05:18:02]

phunyguy:

it sucks.

[05:18:11]

phunyguy:

im not a damn computer noob

[05:18:55]

Dagmar:

Dude, back in 98 I started trying to use LIRC for something

[05:19:00]

phunyguy:

and i CERTAINLY dont appreciate being called a retard, especially when it is the first word out of your moth to me

[05:19:03]

phunyguy:

mouth*

[05:19:21]

Dagmar:

I had to actually write custom software to determine that my problem was not LIRC--my problem was that my remote was INSANE and was producing an astable signal.

[05:19:22]

phunyguy:

"DONT BE CRIMINALLY STUPID"

[05:19:28]

phunyguy:

"GET IT RIGHT"

[05:19:38]

phunyguy:

"CHECK YOUR LIRCD.CONF AGAIN"

[05:19:57]

phunyguy:

well that was my same symptoms

[05:20:05]

phunyguy:

i used irrecord

[05:20:10]

Dagmar:

I picked up on this about two years ago, and having done that much work with LIRC in the past it STILL took me three hours to make the damn thing work right.

[05:20:16]

phunyguy:

- the signals produced were jacked

[05:20:23]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[05:20:34]

Dagmar:

irrecord is basically nothing like a perfect tool.

[05:20:37]

phunyguy:

because of the wrong reciever driver

[05:20:43]

phunyguy:

well.

[05:21:01]

phunyguy:

maybe if thsi shit is not perfect, I SHOULD NOT GET CALLED A RETARD..

[05:21:07]

phunyguy:

god dammit.

[05:21:09]

Dagmar:

I figured you'd be using the commandIR driver.

[05:21:32]

phunyguy:

damn that is aggravating

[05:21:37]

phunyguy:

well.

[05:21:42]

phunyguy:

it happens

[05:21:48]

phunyguy:

but the question was not asked.

[05:22:13]

phunyguy:

and questions should have been asked before i got called "criminally stupid"

[05:22:27]

phunyguy:

brb

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HaraDragon:

hey peeps, I finally got my Mythbuntu setup running. All seems well except for one thing...

[05:54:12]

HaraDragon:

is it possible to change the default media player?

[05:54:38]

HaraDragon:

for example, I know that Mythbuntu uses mplayer. Can I get rid of mplayer and simply use VLC to play videos, within the Mythtv framework?

[05:55:56]

Anduin:

HaraDragon: for MythVideo yes, the internal player for recorded shows isn't changeable

[05:56:07]

HaraDragon:

I don't record shows

[05:56:35]

HaraDragon:

I only play AVI, MPG, MPEG, etc from the box

[05:58:26]

HaraDragon:

I know where to change the cmd line options for the default player in the Mythtv setup; however, I'm not quite sure what ot change it to

[05:58:35]

Anduin:

You want Setup -> Media Settings -> Videos Settings -> Player Settings if using MythVideo

[05:58:59]

Anduin:

Ah

[05:59:13]

HaraDragon:

as in vlc -blah -blah -etc

[05:59:21]

HaraDragon:

options for the vlc

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Anduin:

I almost never use vlc, why do you prefer it?

[06:00:25]

HaraDragon:

vlc --force-dolby-surround=0

[06:00:29]

HaraDragon:

something like that

[06:00:44]

HaraDragon:

Well... I'd rather use MPlayer, but I can't get that damn thing to work w/ my sound

[06:01:01]

HaraDragon:

I'm using an optical out on my mobo then into my HT system

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Anduin:

some combination of mplayer -ao alsa:device=blah would probably work, if you are going to use vlc just figure out the options to pass, MythVideo will put the file to play where it sees %s

[06:13:00]

HaraDragon:

it looks like I'm going to have to screw w/ mplayer

[06:13:17]

HaraDragon:

I don't like the way vlc integrates w/ mythtv... oh wait, that's because it doesn't do it very well

[06:13:55]

HaraDragon:

at least it doesn't want to work for me

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HaraDragon:

I used vlc --force-dolby-surround=0 --fullscreen --volume=1024 %s

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HaraDragon:

it worked... but when I hit esc, instead of the app closing, it shrank the vlc window and froze. lol

[06:14:52]

Anduin:

You have tried the internal player?

[06:15:12]

HaraDragon:

um... no

[06:15:22]

HaraDragon:

can I replace the vlc line w/ internal and leave it at that?

[06:15:29]

HaraDragon:

I thought mythtv used gplayer

[06:15:39]

Anduin:

It does not

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HaraDragon:

wait, that's LinuxMCE

[06:15:58]

Anduin:

and no, just replace the whole line with Internal (caps not just for fun)

[06:16:10]

kevinu:

evening, i am running mythtv with 2 motorola 6200 hd cable boxes using firewire and hooked up with hdmi to a sony lcd tv with progressive display, im a big confused about the interlaced vs progressive display issues

[06:16:12]

HaraDragon:

gotcha, gonna try that out real quick

[06:16:46]

Anduin:

HaraDragon: make sure to go to the audio setup screen and set it up (plenty of info on the wiki)

[06:17:24]

kevinu:

does the video from the firewire come out already in a way that can be displayed without using any deinterlacers in the video settings / playback area?

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HaraDragon:

Anduin: thx... you rock

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HaraDragon:

I thought Internal was a reference to MPlayer

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HaraDragon:

ok

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HaraDragon:

time to go watch some movies on my completed media PC

[06:22:10]

HaraDragon:

w00tagededness.

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wagnerrp:

internal is exactly what the name implies

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wagnerrp:

its an internal player built off the ffmpeg libraries

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aoeu:

does the Hauppauge WINTV-PVR 150MCE-LP work with mythtv?

[07:19:13]

** tjcarter rearrangs aoeu back to asdf, since nobody else can type dvorak **

[07:19:14]

Gumby:

Hi all, I am trying to use nuvexport and I get the following when trying to run the command

[07:19:21]

Gumby:

Loading MythTV recording info.

[07:19:21]

Gumby:

This host not configured for myth.

[07:19:21]

Gumby:

(No RecordFilePrefix defined for DVR in the settings table.)

[07:19:27]

Gumby:

aoeu: yes it does

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** aoeu had been using qwerty for the past month, and switched to dvorak a few weeks ago **

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aoeu:

having to use qwerty for so long was hell

[07:22:20]

HaraDragon:

I'm looking for a remote to buy for my system as well

[07:22:51]

Alexman:

people, can someone advise a videocard for 1080 h264/mpeg4 playback

[07:23:10]

HaraDragon:

Alexman: for mythtv?

[07:23:15]

Alexman:

yep

[07:23:44]

HaraDragon:

just sec, will link you the vid card I just bought

[07:23:58]

Alexman:

i'm actually looking at unichrome and nvidia 7 series

[07:24:58]

Gumby:

would anyone here be able to run a query on their mythconverg db?

[07:26:28]

HaraDragon:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500001

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Alexman:

and what about 1080p ?

[07:28:08]

Gumby:

no one?

[07:28:16]

Alexman:

dunno

[07:28:38]

Alexman:

i actually doesn't have mythtv box right now

[07:29:08]

HaraDragon:

Alexman: it works very very well

[07:29:24]

HaraDragon:

I'm running on a 42" D64U Aquos

[07:29:32]

Alexman:

but that card doesn't support XvMC

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Alexman:

what other specs of pc?

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HaraDragon:

2.2Ghz Athlon64, and 2Gig of ram

[07:30:24]

HaraDragon:

40gig system drive

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HaraDragon:

everything else is stored on the network.

[07:30:38]

Alexman:

i'll use diskless client

[07:31:28]

Dagmar:

I just bought a board with 7050PV built into it.

[07:31:30]

Dagmar:

Seems to work fine.

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directhex:

Alexman, linux cannot do GPU acceleration of anything but mpeg2 right now

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directhex:

Alexman, so if it can display a picture, and has xv or opengl, it's good enough

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Dagmar:

7xxx is the last series with XvMC support. 8xxx and up are TrueHD (which we have no driver help for) only

[07:32:23]

directhex:

Dagmar, and xvmc is a good thing? especially when he said he wanted h264

[07:32:37]

Alexman:

what is vaapi?

[07:32:39]

Dagmar:

It's useful for *me*.

[07:32:39]

Dagmar:

:)

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HaraDragon:

I'm going to bed

[07:32:55]

HaraDragon:

g'night guys

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Dagmar:

I figured I might as well drop the info out there in case he needs to know it later.

[07:33:12]

Dagmar:

I don't think it's expressed quite that clearly on the wiki (might fix that tomorrow night)

[07:34:47]

directhex:

Alexman, it's unfinished. eventually, think of it as xvmc 2, with support for multiple codecs

[07:34:52]

Dagmar:

I suspect that since they've had hardware support for x264 since the 6xxx series we're probably not going to get it ever

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directhex:

Dagmar, a stable API would help. otherwise you go the via route & just release an mplayer fork to support it

[07:35:16]

Dagmar:

I feel kinda cheated about that, actually.

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directhex:

a crappy one

[07:35:46]

Dagmar:

They can release a driver to use the 9xxx cards as freaking teraflop fp clusters, but nothing directly useful by a consumer.

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Alexman:

what do you guys think about 8200 chipset?

[07:39:27]

Dagmar:

No point.

[07:39:50]

Dagmar:

You're pretty much maxed out for what you can get from the card at the *5200* at the moment.

[07:40:02]

Dagmar:

So buy whatever's cheapest for your board.

[07:40:12]

Dagmar:

...be it AGP or PCIx16

[07:40:38]

Dagmar:

Playing a video does *not* actually require 512Mb of DDR3 RAM.

[07:40:42]

Dagmar:

Only massive video games need that.

[07:40:52]

Dagmar:

We need like, 128Mb or less actually.

[07:41:24]

Dibblah:

Well, actually that may change, depending on what CUDA gets used for.

[07:41:45]

Dagmar:

Let's say your display is running at 1366x768. One frame takes up about 4Mb of RAM.

[07:41:49]

Dibblah:

But at the moment, video RAM is pointless in quantity.

[07:42:09]

Dagmar:

Even doing crazy-aggressive three-frames at once in advance, that's a "whopping" 16Mb.

[07:42:39]

Dagmar:

I say just buy a $20–40 video card for now.

[07:43:08]

Dibblah:

Yup. And save the environment too – Those bigger cards are hogs.

[07:43:13]

Dagmar:

It's still pretty much, um, disks that is where you pour the money

[07:43:24]

Dagmar:

Pour it on like maple syrup.

[07:43:37]

Dagmar:

...like a diabetic trying suicide.

[07:44:20]

Dagmar:

Most of the AMD boards you can get now will likely take a quad core for the next year or two at least

[07:44:29]

Dagmar:

I <3 AMD's upgrade paths

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: I am still a bit giggly about the new board only really needing the 380W PSU that came with the Antec case

[07:45:59]

Dibblah:

... Not impressed.

[07:46:01]

Dagmar:

That's gotta be the lowest-power machine I've built in 7 years.

[07:46:08]

Dibblah:

My board needs a wall-wart.

[07:46:31]

Dibblah:

Well, a soap-on-a-rope adapter.

[07:46:38]

Dagmar:

I have machines with soap on a rope

[07:46:44]

Dagmar:

They don't have much space for disks

[07:46:51]

Dagmar:

...and it's dodgy.

[07:46:52]

Dibblah:

50w max, 23w idle :)

[07:47:13]

Dagmar:

Are you playing back anything but SD at that power rate?

[07:47:44]

Dibblah:

c2d.

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Dibblah:

Everything apart from BBC HD works flawlessly.

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Dagmar:

What kinda disk are you using that uses so little power?

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Dibblah:

2.5"

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

I've got a 250Gb and a 500Gb in that thing

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Dagmar:

I'm *considering* snatching someone's laptop drive off Craigslist for the OS disk tho

[07:49:01]

Dagmar:

...or maybe just putting the whole bloody thing on a flash dislk

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure I could get the whole thing to fit in 4G if I tried hard enough, but I've been planning on 8Gb

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Gumby:

anyone know why mythtranscode would show 3 processes all the same?

[08:35:04]

Gumby:

mythtv 5593 0.0 0.0 1772 480 ? SN 01:07 0:00 sh -c /usr/bin/mythtranscode -j 447 -V 3 -p autodetect

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Gumby:

mythtv 5594 65.5 4.1 92004 42472 ? RNl 01:07 17:34 /usr/bin/mythtranscode -j 447 -V 3 -p autodetect

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Gumby:

I have 3 of those all identical commands

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clever:

Gumby: 5593 isnt mythtranscode

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clever:

thats sh

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clever:

that happens alot

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clever:

a program uses sh to run another program

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Gumby:

ok, but I still have 3x /usr/bin/mythtranscode -j 447 -V 3 -p autodetect

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clever:

leaving an sh in the middle doing nothing but eating swap

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clever:

multicore system?

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Gumby:

nope

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clever:

paste the 3 ones that dont reference sh

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Gumby:

and I checked mythweb and it only shows one show being transcoded by that machine

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Gumby:

they all reference sh.. But I can leave the sh out.

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clever:

-j 447 tells it what job/show to transcode

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clever:

ps aux|grep mythtranscode|grep -v sh

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clever:

that will hide all the sh ones

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Gumby:

mythtv 5594 54.8 4.1 92316 42808 ? RNl 01:07 21:36 /usr/bin/mythtranscode -j 447 -V 3 -p autodetect

[08:47:13]

Gumby:

mythtv 8751 39.0 4.0 100804 42040 ? RNl 01:19 10:41 /usr/bin/mythtranscode -j 447 -V 3 -p autodetect

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Gumby:

mythtv 11676 32.0 3.9 99588 40788 ? RNl 01:31 5:08 /usr/bin/mythtranscode -j 447 -V 3 -p autodetect

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clever:

yeah that is odd

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Gumby:

and Im getting about 15fps on the transcode

[08:47:39]

Gumby:

now, its not a fast machine.. but that still seems low

[08:47:44]

Gumby:

athlon 2500+

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clever:

ps -eH x|grep -v grep|grep -C5 myth

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clever:

run that and throw it on a pastebin

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clever:

then put the url here

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Gumby:

http://pastebin.ca/1062078

[08:49:23]

clever:

as i expected

[08:49:29]

clever:

2 of those transcodes are lost

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clever:

mythbackend crashed or was forcibly restarted

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clever:

so it lost track of the mythtranscode

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clever:

and spawned a new one

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Gumby:

ah, ok

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clever:

i'll pick the 2 old ones

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clever:

kill 5594 8751

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clever:

that should clean it up

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Gumby:

yeah ok

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Gumby:

makes sense

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clever:

though if any of those stops, it may delete the .tmp its outputing

[08:50:40]

clever:

causing a problem with the 3rd

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clever:

and having 3 outputing to the .tmp at once may have allready trashed it

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clever:

kill 5594 8751 11676 ; will kill all 3 then you could just restart the job

[08:52:10]

clever:

ive got worse problems with transcoding

[08:52:16]

clever:

some shows will cause it to segfault

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clever:

and ive hit a new bug where it just gets stuck in a inf loop

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clever:

its spewed 2gig files on me before

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clever:

and claimed to be 243% finished:P

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

yikes

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Gumby:

one more question you may be able to help me with.

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** clever trys to shield his eyes from the sunlight **

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Gumby:

was trying to use nuvexport and I get the following when trying to run the command

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Gumby:

This host not configured for myth.

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Gumby:

(No RecordFilePrefix defined for DVR in the settings table.)

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clever:

make shure you run it as the same username as the other mythtv programs

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Gumby:

all run as mythtv

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clever:

i just had a peek into my database

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clever:

RecordFilePrefix is /var/lib/mythtv/

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clever:

which is the old old old place my recordings went

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Gumby:

ah, I dont even have that

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Gumby:

lol

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clever:

before storage groups where added

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Gumby:

I have no RecordFilePrefix

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clever:

that setting isnt used anymore i beleive

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Gumby:

ah

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clever:

but you could manualy shove one in to trick nuvexport into working

[08:55:40]

clever:

| value | data | hostname |

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clever:

+------------------+------------------+----------+

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clever:

| RecordFilePrefix | /var/lib/mythtv/ | theP4 |

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Gumby:

yeah, I'll see if that works

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clever:

and check for a bug report on nuvexport

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Gumby:

hrm, I think there is a setting for transcodings to only happen on the local machine. hehe, right now its trying to transcode on remote machines and failing. I hope that doesnt mean that they wont get re-picked up by the local machine

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clever:

there is a setting to run jobs only on the host they belong to

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clever:

i shut it off so my 4 slave backends could commflag for the framegrabber

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clever:

so the poor thing could framegrabe in peace:P

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clever:

it still had to stream the files out to the slaves while recording but that was alot less work

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Gumby:

ahh, 123fps now :)

[09:07:39]

Gumby:

great

[09:08:02]

Gumby:

I wish I had of waited though. I kind of want my transcodes in divx

[09:10:35]

clever:

im still making mpeg4 out of mine

[09:10:45]

clever:

the pvr150 encodes to mpeg2 1.1gig/hour

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clever:

then i later transcode it to mpeg4 500–600mb/hour

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clever:

but some transcodes refuse to finish

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Gumby:

my buddy uses a DVD player and it can read divx from a USB stick. I was gonna load a few 8GB sticks up for him but I have to convert to DIVX first

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Gumby:

I use mythtv for dvb-s so I have a TONNE of movies

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clever:

neat

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clever:

my dvd player can take 5 disks but they need to be formated as plain dvd's

[09:14:57]

clever:

so i cant exactly pack it full of divx

[09:15:03]

clever:

which gets much better space

[09:15:17]

clever:

ive got a 10disk cd changer here for a car

[09:15:27]

clever:

and i saw another one in a store a while ago that could handle mp3 cd's

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clever:

7gig of music:P

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clever:

though i have ~20gig on my system

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Gumby:

I still get that same RecordFilePrefix message even after inserting the data into settings

[09:19:43]

Gumby:

I built a carpc awhile back with a touchscreen. Was pretty sweet except the screen I got was too big so I never got to install it. lol. now I have a laptop kicking around with a broken screen and a 13" touchscreen ripped out of its casing

[09:19:53]

Gumby:

it's just been sitting here for about two years now. lol

[09:22:31]

Gumby:

ah, I think I edited my old DB

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Gumby:

hehe

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Gumby:

bah, still no go

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Gumby:

I guess that tells me its bedtime

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Gumby:

thanks for the help clever, I appreciate it

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clever:

Gumby: ive also cracked the lcd on a laptop

[09:25:39]

clever:

Gumby: and kept using it blindly for a week:P

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clever:

you know your a linux master when you can type commands into the shell blindly:P

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clever:

id also like to get a pc in my car

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clever:

ive got a pair of wires ran to get a better dedicated 12v feed in the passenger seat

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clever:

but i dont have a touchscreen

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clever:

still using a laptop on an inverter without any special mounting

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Ace2016:

Can someone help me pick the right staple size for coaxial cables please, i just got 2 packs of the wrong size :(

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Hoxzer:

:) My store would take it back if the package wasn't damaged

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Ace2016:

oh cool

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Ace2016:

so you know what size staples i need for coax right?

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EvilGuru:

Ace2016: Not all coax is the same

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Ace2016:

what i've learnt so far is that when it says 14mm on the box of staples it means the leg length :(

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Ace2016:

the coax has a diameter of 8mm

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Ace2016:

Hoxzer: do you know what i need?

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Hoxzer:

Nope

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Ace2016:

what stapes do you use to staple coax cables then? ct100

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emja:

can anyone tell me the button to switch on subtitles in mythvideo? yes, I have the srt file in the corretc location

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emja:

just can't remember how to enable the subtitles. bleh

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GreyFoxx:

T

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emja:

thx

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Ace2016:

omg http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/nvidia-say . . . re-defectiv/

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Nostahl:

mornin all

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Ace2016:

looks like my lcd is developing a dark spot

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Nostahl:

how do i change permissions on a folder to myth tv group and such

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madfactor:

Are all the widescreen user contrib themes on the wiki compat with 0.21?

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GreyFoxx:

No guarantees

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clever:

madfactor: test them then edit the wiki to say yes/no:P

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clever:

thats what a wiki is for

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madfactor:

thx

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madfactor:

Just looking to pretty up my new 1080p myth head I got setup.

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madfactor:

Doesn't seem to be alot avail yet.

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Nostahl:

anyone here used MythNews ?

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plan7:

hi all

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plan7:

just setup mythtv, using my wintv pvr-usb2 card. configuration etc. worked, channel scan as well, but when starting the frontend and live-tv I get: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start

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plan7:

I checked that my card is set to "mpeg2-encoding" card in backend-setup, as it has an mpeg2-hw-encoder built in...

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Ace2016:

Anyone here know what staples i'd need for a coaxial cable?

[14:01:48]

Ace2016:

i got a staple gun but the staples are too small for the cable

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Dibblah:

Just use nails.

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Ace2016:

can't use nails

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Ace2016:

it'd make a hole in the cable wouldn't it?

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sid3windr:

staples won't dent it?

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Ace2016:

the round top ones will keep denting to a minimum

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Ace2016:

the 'U' shaped ones

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Ace2016:

sid3windr: how would you secure it?

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sid3windr:

dunno

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sid3windr:

I put things to lay cable through ;)

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Ace2016:

like what?

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Ace2016:

sid3windr: in homes or along roads and stuff?

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Ace2016:

this probably would be easier with a big roll of superglue

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Ace2016:

s/roll/tube

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opello:

i generally use what are generally called 'cable clips' which either have 1 or 2 nails on either side, and a plastic clip in the middle

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opello:

otherwise, there are staples for staple guns that have a plastic inner edge so as not to cut into the cable

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phunyguy:

argh, what the heck.

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phunyguy:

i cant play DVDs on my PC.

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phunyguy:

I have libdvdcss2, libdvdread3, what else do i need?

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GreyFoxx:

What does the frontend output say?

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phunyguy:

well this isnt for mythtv, but its linux

[14:45:13]

phunyguy:

lsdvd fails

[14:46:20]

phunyguy:

libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 4 (VTS_04_0.IFO).

[14:46:27]

phunyguy:

libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 4 (VTS_04_0.BUP).

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phunyguy:

Can't open ifo 4!

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

[14:47:25]

GreyFoxx:

err sorry that was for someone else :)

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phunyguy:

any ideas?

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phunyguy:

lol ok

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GreyFoxx:

Tried multiple disks ?

[14:47:37]

phunyguy:

yep.

[14:47:42]

GreyFoxx:

I've never seen that myself

[14:48:28]

phunyguy:

and wtf @ my brother in law, i grabbed some of his movies to copy... "FULLSCREEN Edition"

[14:48:34]

phunyguy:

bah.

[14:48:44]

phunyguy:

the idiot buys fullscreen instead of widescreen

[14:48:54]

phunyguy:

...he has a 50" 1080p TV

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I've gotten a few gift dvd's where they bought the fullscreen version hehe I just happily thnked then and took them back to swap at the store ;)

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phunyguy:

lol... yeah

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zetheroo:

does the MSI VOX II v2.0 work in mythtv?

[14:58:01]

zetheroo:

I am using Ubuntu Hardy

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EvilGuru:

GreyFoxx: Do you still get fullscreen versions?

[15:01:21]

i_is_cat:

how long is my frontend supposed to sit on "testing network connectivity to 192.x.x.x" ?

[15:02:48]

EvilGuru:

i_is_cat: Usually 3.1415926535 seconds ±0.0000001 seconds

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Computer_Czar:

lol

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phunyguy:

good old pi

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phunyguy:

reminds me

[15:04:04]

phunyguy:

i need food

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Computer_Czar:

me too

[15:04:15]

GreyFoxx:

Evil: Not in a while :) I certainly never buy them myself :)

[15:05:04]

i_is_cat:

well i dont know what i'm doing wrong.. i set the backend to its ip 192.168.0.103 left the ports default and set a pin on it, i did the mysql thing according to the wiki to allow whoever on the lan and my frontend sees the backend but it says it cant connect to the database :(

[15:05:44]

EvilGuru:

i_is_cat: See if you can telnet

[15:05:53]

EvilGuru:

so telnet 192.168.xxx.xxx <port>

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EvilGuru:

Might even want to try pinging the system first

[15:06:25]

i_is_cat:

ya it telnets fine

[15:07:17]

jpabq2:

i_is_cat, sorry if I missed this, but mysqld is running, right?

[15:07:31]

i_is_cat:

ya wait a sex.......

[15:08:30]

EvilGuru:

i_is_cat: Wait for sex!?! /me wants it now!

[15:08:37]

EvilGuru:

(Or in 3.14... seconds if you must)

[15:08:46]

i_is_cat:

ok when you said that i thought maybe the frontend thats running on the backend would be preventing this frontend from connecting so i went and shut it off but still get the same thing

[15:09:12]

EvilGuru:

So you can telnet to the backend/mysql server from a different system?

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i_is_cat:

ya im on my pc which has myth installed and i can telnet to the box in the next room which runs fine with its own frontend

[15:10:02]

jpabq2:

So, it is probably not a firewall issue.

[15:10:33]

i_is_cat:

well i wouldnt think so..

[15:12:03]

i_is_cat:

hmm i just nmap'd the network and the backend doesnt seem to have a mysql tcp port or anything open like another box on the network thats got to be the problem but i thought i fixed it by following some handy instructions on the myth page.. :/

[15:12:33]

i_is_cat:

the only problem is that it says something about editing /etc/mysql/my.cnf which i dont seem to have and i searched the whole system and dont have a my.cnf anywhere..

[15:14:14]

jpabq2:

brb

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jduggan:

you must have a my.cnf if you have mysql installed

[15:16:02]

i_is_cat:

no i just went and looked on google and someone posted that the my.cnf is in /etc/ not /etc/mysql so i checked and i have four of them like my-huge.cnf and my-medium.cnf and stuff......?? lol

[15:16:05]

i_is_cat:

wtf?

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jduggan:

what distro is this?

[15:16:33]

jduggan:

probably just sample configs

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jduggan:

you dont have a plain 'ol my.cnf?

[15:16:47]

jduggan:

find / -name my.cnf

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zetheroo:

does the MSI VOX II v2.0 work in mythtv?

[15:18:09]

Computer_Czar:

i_is_cat: That makes sense but my.cnf might be there too

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Kiberlynx:

hy everyone

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i_is_cat:

nope theres no my.cnf they look like pre-defined buffer sizes or something and its slackware 12.1 for both systems

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GreyFoxx:

i_is: Check /etc/my.cnf

[15:19:47]

GreyFoxx:

but the find on the entire system will find it if it exists

[15:20:29]

Kiberlynx:

I've recently installed mythtv and I love it, but does someone here know how to get 2–6 channel sound upmixing to work? I'd really appreciate any tip, thank you ;)

[15:23:00]

i_is_cat:

there is no my.cnf anywhere on the system

[15:23:15]

i_is_cat:

only my-<sizes>.cnf files

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GreyFoxx:

i_is: I'm not sure if there is one my default

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GreyFoxx:

you can certainly copy one of those examples to /etc/my.cnf and use it

[15:24:03]

** directhex feeds GreyFoxx cake **

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GreyFoxx:

I prefer pie usually

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Kiberlynx:

anyone got upmix to work with stereo sound-source?

[15:30:34]

Kiberlynx:

well thanx anyway, I'll be back!

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i_is_cat:

i think i might have got it i'm about to try it but the /etc/rc.d/rc/mysqld file had the skip-networking thing uncommented so i commented it and restarted the mysql daemon and the port shows up in nmap so here i go..

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i_is_cat:

sweet thats what the problem was :D thanks for the help guys

[15:37:27]

zetheroo:

whats the best device to get that will work with mythtv?

[15:37:37]

i_is_cat:

thats freakin sweet it actually works, i need to set up my remote but it works!

[15:37:48]

i_is_cat:

now does anyone know how to go about getting a dlink dsm-320 working?

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EvilGuru:

zetheroo: Define device

[15:38:37]

zetheroo:

I would like to watch tv on ly laptop

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zetheroo:

my*

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EvilGuru:

zetheroo: Look for a USB ATSC device then

[15:39:22]

zetheroo:

is there a particular chipset which works best?

[15:39:27]

zetheroo:

I am using Ubuntu 8.04

[15:39:30]

EvilGuru:

The LinuxTV wiki has a list of supported devices, once you've found one at a good price, tell us, and somone will get an opinion

[15:40:36]

zetheroo:

I am on the http://www.linuxtv.org/ site ... where can I find a list of devices?

[15:40:38]

EvilGuru:

*give

[15:41:24]

EvilGuru:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices

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zetheroo:

will ATSC devices work in South Africa?

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EvilGuru:

I don't know

[15:41:53]

zetheroo:

which is where I am at the moment...

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EvilGuru:

Look up if it is ATSC or DVB

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zetheroo:

well I know that digital tv is not really an option here

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zetheroo:

so I need something which will work with analog

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EvilGuru:

Look up if you are playback always lousy, never the same colour, or the french one

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directhex:

EvilGuru, scam?

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EvilGuru:

That's the one

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zetheroo:

WinTV-HVR-950 .... is this a good one?

[15:47:30]

EvilGuru:

Is it supported first of all

[15:47:36]

EvilGuru:

Secondly, does it support the formats you want

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directhex:

it's a usb hybrid ntsc/atsc dongle

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zetheroo:

it says its supported

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zetheroo:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-950

[15:49:18]

directhex:

zetheroo, africa doesn't use NTSC

[15:49:37]

zetheroo:

right

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zetheroo:

shucks

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zetheroo:

here its being sold in South Africa

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zetheroo:

http://www.pinnacle.co.za/hardware/products/?product=2013

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zetheroo:

says Digital and Analog

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zetheroo:

and it must be PAL too... otherwise why would they be selling it here....!?

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zetheroo:

oh.. its the 900 not the 950

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zetheroo:

would this make a difference with it working in Linux?

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i_is_cat:

you have got to be shitting me

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i_is_cat:

the hardest part of getting the dlink dsm-320 to work with mythtv.. figuring out what the hell input it was in what device in the mass pile of home electronics

[16:04:11]

i_is_cat:

its not my setup you see..

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wagnerrp:

hopefully youre getting paid then

[16:04:51]

i_is_cat:

once i found the damned device and the input it was set to it found the mythbackend and plays recorded shows with no issues

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i_is_cat:

no i get free rent for the time being.. so its a tradeoff

[16:05:23]

wagnerrp:

so then... yes, you are

[16:05:32]

wagnerrp:

paid in trade is still paid... :P

[16:05:45]

i_is_cat:

yep that is true ;)

[16:05:58]

i_is_cat:

i cant believe how easy that worked that was sweet

[16:06:11]

i_is_cat:

whoever has the list of compatable pnp devices or whatever, add the dsm-320

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wagnerrp:

its on the wiki, just create an account and add it yourself

[16:09:38]

i_is_cat:

i think theres another one upstairs i should go setup..

[16:09:55]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnP

[16:10:12]

i_is_cat:

see.. my uncle is away on vacation and i'm watching his place we're working on the myth thing and i told him his dsm-320's are useless so when he gets back he will have a surprise :)

[16:10:28]

wagnerrp:

the DSM-520 is already listed

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wagnerrp:

the 320 is the standard definition version?

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squish102:

and the 320 doesnt work very well with mythtv

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squish102:

i_is_cat u can fastforward with the 320?

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squish102:

i have had much better sucess with ushare + dsm-320 and gave up on mythtv

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i_is_cat:

fast forward? it only plays recordings so i dont see why not

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i_is_cat:

nope i went and tried and it doesnt like fast forward or skip but it will pause and play and stop

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i_is_cat:

hmm do you know what is inside the dsm-320? think it might be possible to put geexbox on it instead?

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phunyguy:

hello.

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squish102:

i_is_cat if u ever get the dsm-320 to a working state, i'd really like to know

[16:31:08]

i_is_cat:

well its just a computer isnt it?

[16:31:29]

i_is_cat:

my guess is its got a cf card or something inside that could be reinstalled with whatever you want..

[16:31:38]

i_is_cat:

but its not mine so i cant crack it open............. yet ;)

[16:35:16]

GreyFoxx:

I've openned them

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GreyFoxx:

there is no CF card or other removable media

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i_is_cat:

whats in it? send pix

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GreyFoxx:

It's also not x86 :)

[16:35:55]

GreyFoxx:

I didn't take pictures :)

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AndyCap_:

GreyFoxx: is this accurate? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7563547918.html

[16:36:21]

i_is_cat:

i read somewhere it runs linux so theres got to be a way to change it..

[16:36:39]

i_is_cat:

awesome

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i_is_cat:

thanks AndyCap_

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GreyFoxx:

i_is: You can trick it to reflash with your own firmware. But you have to create it first and package it up

[16:36:48]

AndyCap_:

i_is_cat: a way, sure, running any distro? you wish. :P

[16:37:07]

GreyFoxx:

and yeah, it's linux under the guts, just like most devices these days

[16:37:13]

GreyFoxx:

odds are your dvd player is running linux ;)

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i_is_cat:

thats because my dvd player is a sexy hello kitty dvd player

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AndyCap_:

odds are your dvd player is some cheap mediatek crap

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AndyCap_:

with the chip number as the password for the region lock.

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i_is_cat:

yep it was cheap i got it on sale after xmas when they had a buttload of them ;)

[16:39:08]

i_is_cat:

i dont even use it, more for the cuteness factor, i watch dvd's on my pc

[16:40:08]

Gumby:

if I have a MBE and a SBE do I need to set transcoding profiles up on both or does the SBE get its settings from the MBE?

[16:40:29]

i_is_cat:

it looks very similar to a $29 diamond dvd player i bought from wal-mart about 3yrs ago that burned a hole in my scarface dvd because i left it on the menu for almost 2 weeks..

[16:41:18]

i_is_cat:

man i was pissed, a freaking hole in the disc!

[16:41:53]

AndyCap_:

i_is_cat: it was *scar*face wasn't it? :>

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Gumby:

i_is_cat: its cause dvd players use frikkin "lasers" (in his best dr. evil voice"

[16:42:12]

i_is_cat:

lol

[16:42:30]

i_is_cat:

ya and that was the second copy of scarface i had purchased because the first was stolen :(

[16:43:32]

i_is_cat:

i came home one day and heard "tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick" like wtf.. wandering around trying to find what the hell it was and finally i get to the dvd player open it up and the scarface disc had a hole and the dvd player wouldnt play anymore it was about a month old

[16:44:27]

Gumby:

I'd have taken it back along with the DVD and demanded a refund for both

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AndyCap_:

and they say optical discs don't wear out

[16:45:20]

i_is_cat:

didnt have a receipt for either.. see i keep my receipts now ;)

[16:45:42]

AndyCap_:

still. Photo or it didn't happen.

[16:46:29]

i_is_cat:

i didnt have a digicam then.. still dont actually i only have my piss poor cell phone and a $2 bratz webcam lol

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flabr:

do u guys know if one can connect an anthena (normal tv) to that card Nova t 500 and watch normal channels?

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directhex:

a whole minute? that was well worth his time

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wagnerrp:

ive never heard of connecting a tuner card to a TV before

[17:19:16]

wagnerrp:

usually both of them only have an antenna in

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PatrickDK:

tuners don't have tv-out? how evil

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directhex:

i think he meant antenna versus dish

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directhex:

but the problem is how you define "normal channels"

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mzb_d800:

I read flabr's question differently

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mzb_d800:

ymmv

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AndyCap_:

I guess he wants analog channels from his T antenna.

[17:22:35]

AndyCap_:

which I guess depends on what part of sweden he's in. since they're shutting down analog.

[17:22:48]

AndyCap_:

dunno if a nova t-500 has analog tho. :)

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directhex:

AndyCap_, it does not

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directhex:

anyway, pointless discussion. drive-by questioners don't deserve more time spent on them than they spend in the channel

[17:24:15]

AndyCap_:

directhex: why not. they don't benefit, while other people do. sounds like win win, not like there was much going on anyway.

[17:25:59]

directhex:

the question was too ill-formed to be valuable

[17:26:03]

directhex:

anyway, there are better topics

[17:26:11]

directhex:

how about panda bears? they're fuzzy

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AndyCap_:

they're magnets for stupid tourists.

[17:26:53]

directhex:

so are theme parks!

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directhex:

:o genius idea! pandaland!

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AndyCap_:

themeparks usually don't kill or maim people. batman rides excepted.

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AndyCap_:

heh, no video on youtube though, stupid woman climbing over the small fence keeping the lunchmeat away from the pandas behind the big fence. walks up to the fence to photograph the idle panda. suddenly he's got his paw wrapped around her thigh threatening to pull her through the fence.

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directhex:

bears ARE the biggest threat facing america

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HaraDragon:

directhex: that would be the chicago bears

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AndyCap_:

well, the russian bear still isn't quite himself.

[17:33:25]

HaraDragon:

black bears are evil

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hadees:

when i'm watching DVDs via mythvideo using the internal player is there anyway to do upscaling to make the picture look better on a HDTV?

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hadees:

or if i use xine or mplayer

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noaxess_kubuntu:

hello all

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noaxess_kubuntu:

i can't play a dvd in mythtv.. bye the way.. also if i want play the dvd with vlc it won't work.. i use mythbuntu any idea or any extra package i need to install=

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noaxess_kubuntu:

=

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noaxess_kubuntu:

?

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directhex:

libdvdcss2

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noaxess_kubuntu:

directhex: to install?

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directhex:

no, i thought i'd randomly say the name of a dvd-related package. evidently it has absolutely nothing to do with the only question asked for 10 minutes, which was dvd related

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noaxess_kubuntu:

ok

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Dagmar:

So I just dropped a new page in the wiki detailing what he feature sets of the various nVIdia cards are. I own four so I can be 100% certain about those, and that's why there's only four http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidia_Cards

[18:18:48]

Dagmar:

Actually, I do own a few more than that. I"ll have to dig the older ones out and look at them closelyt

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: I would suggest changing the last column to HDCP.

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Dibblah:

;)

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Dibblah:

HDMI is electrically the same as DVI, except for the CP stuff and audio.

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Dagmar:

I doubt we're getting HDCP support *anytime* soon.

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Dagmar:

...and I was mainly interested in native outputs.

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Dibblah:

On Windows, though... ;)

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Dagmar:

Some cards I've seen actually have an HDMI port on them

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Dagmar:

The 7050 PV I have even talks about using an HDMI adapter because it's got a DVI-D port

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Dagmar:

Damn I hope someone sues Viacom

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wagnerrp:

theft of personal information?

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wagnerrp:

is that information considered yours, or googles?

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Dagmar:

Invasion of privacy for one thing.

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Dagmar:

"Being giant assholes" is what I'd *like* to see them sued for.

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Dagmar:

They have consistently *refused* to identify any specific infringing works.

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Dagmar:

If they did, they could have easily obtained the access records for those.

[18:31:00]

Dagmar:

Instead, they chose to use the law to *steal* viewing information that I'm damn sure went straight to their sales department.

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Dagmar:

They flat out abused the law to get more information than they would otherwise have been entitled to from a competitor

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wagnerrp:

i dont deny that, i would just rather it not be solved by creating MORE lawsuits

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Dagmar:

If a second precendent isn't set to correct and clarify this one, things will only get worse.

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wagnerrp:

id rather it get repealed, to nullify the precedence

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wagnerrp:

right

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wagnerrp:

let google appeal it

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wagnerrp:

assuming google will do the proper thing and appeal it

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Dagmar:

This is no better than a large book publisher suing to get copies of all of the email in GMail because they claimed people are plagiarizing information in emails.

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wagnerrp:

that has happened?

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Dagmar:

No, but it could with that judge in the seat

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wagnerrp:

these judges are effectively making law, so why dont they become an elected position

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Dagmar:

Because we need to put a stop to them making laws.

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wagnerrp:

of course that will just mean additional lobbying

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wagnerrp:

so they side on the hand of whoever gives them election money

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Dagmar:

Those people we kick out

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Dagmar:

I've already got two senators for Tennessee really, really pissed off at me.

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Dagmar:

They *clearly* were swayed directly by campaign donations from the telcos

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wagnerrp:

we need to bring back the pillory

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wagnerrp:

something can be said for locking them in the town square

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Dagmar:

Yep

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wagnerrp:

im watching stargate, ark of truth

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wagnerrp:

its just turned into a bad horror movie

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Dagmar:

"just"

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Dagmar:

Nah

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wagnerrp:

well they started taking cues from Virus

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wagnerrp:

the replicators took over someone's body

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clever:

wagnerrp: what season was that in again?

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wagnerrp:

11

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wagnerrp:

(its one of the movies)

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clever:

ah

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clever:

im missing that

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clever:

ive got 1–7 and 9

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GreyFoxx:

10 was the final season

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GreyFoxx:

ARk of truth was the closing out the Ori storyline movie

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GreyFoxx:

Continuum out soon is the next one

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wagnerrp:

continuum is the closing out of the g'ould

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GreyFoxx:

ahh, I've avoided all spoilers and such so that I wont have any idea what's happenning until it starts :)

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wagnerrp:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

well.... thats what you find out in the first two minutes

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wagnerrp:

ill leave it at that

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GreyFoxx:

No worries :)

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GreyFoxx:

Apparently a 3rd movie, more oneil centered is in the works

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wagnerrp:

the farscape guy was decent, but nothing beats MacGuyver in Space

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah

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GreyFoxx:

Jack was my favourite

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GreyFoxx:

I want Ben Browder back on Farscape

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GreyFoxx:

and they are doing 10 webisodes so we might see him back on that :)

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EvilGuru:

Does the current commflagging system look for aspect ratio changes?

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EvilGuru:

As when watching a 4:3 program (where everything else, including ads in 16:9) it would be useful for detecting adverts

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wagnerrp:

are resolution changes that common for digital commercials?

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EvilGuru:

Nearly all commercials are 16:9

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clever:

EvilGuru: ive noticed some of my analog programs are somewhat widescreen, with black bars

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clever:

which you could also use to detect the commercials

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EvilGuru:

A change in black bars could be good

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clever:

might also be usefull to be able to crop them out from mythfrontend

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clever:

mark the crop edges with the cutlist and then slap it on with a mythtranscode

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PatrickDK:

depends on the commercials

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clever:

yeah

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PatrickDK:

I have noticed about half the commercials I get are wide screen, and the others are normal

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clever:

which brings up one of my old ideas

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clever:

store internal logs of the flagging process

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clever:

and then use the cutlist as a hint as to whats 'correct'

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PatrickDK:

I wouldn't it as the main detection, but as a hint

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clever:

and then learn how each channel/show differs

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clever:

PatrickDK: yeah

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PatrickDK:

we just need spamassassin commercial detection :)

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clever:

lol

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PatrickDK:

x points per event

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clever:

ive noticed it falsely picks up a comm in dark scenes alot

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wagnerrp:

bayesian filtering for TV...

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PatrickDK:

why not?

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PatrickDK:

bayesian filtering would just annoy the crap out of me

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PatrickDK:

I just want it to work

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PatrickDK:

I don't want to spend a crapload of time teaching it

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wagnerrp:

seems exceedingly intensive

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wagnerrp:

for it to learn new transitions

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gbee:

bayesian would only work with a shared online database

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gbee:

but even then, it would have to be backed by carefully chosen scoring and advert detection techniques

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** gbee notices that he's responding to an old conversation **

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wagnerrp:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

some guy was arrested for trying to sell his vote on ebay

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

i,m trying to see a video that myth recorded on a different computer but it's saying i don't have the right codec. is it a special format? can i get a codec for it?

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cesman:

Hilikus: more details

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cesman:

Hilikus: what tuner do you have in your backend?

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Hilikus:

i know its an mpeg2 but i've playend mpe2 before so thats why im confused

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Hilikus:

hauppauge 150

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cesman:

ok, then it is MPEG2

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cesman:

then I'd ask what it is on the remote computer you are trying to use to view the file

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Hilikus:

can i dl a codec to play mpeg2 in WMP? or how do i play one?

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Hilikus:

WMP

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EvilGuru:

Hilikus: Get VLC

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cesman:

Hilikus: as far as I'm aware, WMP doesn't play MOEG2 out the box

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Hilikus:

VLC? whats that

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cesman:

Hilikus: do what EvilGuru stated

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Hilikus:

k

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EvilGuru:

Hilikus: Whatever google says it is when you google 'VLC'

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cesman:

videolan client

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cesman:

it will play them all

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EvilGuru:

Lepricorn porn for all I know

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Hilikus:

great, thanks

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cesman:

you're welcome

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oobe:

anyone using a WinTV-NOVA-T-500 im considering getting one

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oobe:

im worried about certain versions not being compatable but they all seem to be from the UK and im from australia

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Dagmar:

So don't buy a PAL version of the card.

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oobe:

um australia is PAL

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Dagmar:

Then you better keep researching.

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EvilGuru:

oobe: There is enough information out there to allow you to make an informed decision

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EvilGuru:

Namely, how to identify incompatible cards

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EvilGuru:

A simple call/e-mail to your e-tailer will quickly allow you to deduce if this is the case

[22:02:55]

EvilGuru:

Furthermore, the Nova-T is a DVB-T card and therefore has nothing to do with PAL

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Dagmar:

heh

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iamlindoro:

AFAIK DVB-T is standardized across the board, there is no reason there should be any incompabilities at all

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro: There is a NOVA-TD-500 version of the card

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EvilGuru:

This uses a different USB host chip which has no Linux support (and can be identified trivially due to it having two coax inputs)

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iamlindoro:

EvilGuru: Why would that make it any more or less compatible?

[22:04:37]

EvilGuru:

iamlindoro: Apparently they got the USB host chips cheap (the chip is EOL)

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oobe:

its ok thanks its just that manufactures use different chips on the boards but use the same name and packaging

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Dagmar:

I think "no" kind of implies "less"

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iamlindoro:

ah, I see what you're saying, I assumed he meant then somehow using different DVB formats

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oobe:

the only way to distinguish is via serial number which i wont get the oppurtunity to do

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cdpuk`:

oobe: I have the NOVA-T 500 – used to be some driver issues but everything has been good for a while now

[22:05:21]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: See above, thought he was speaking re: DVB in general

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I know that almost all of the .au folks I have met seem to use the Terratec stuff for some reason

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: It's that awful beer they drink

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oobe:

cdpuk`, where are you from?

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cdpuk`:

UK

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iamlindoro:

I don't think they drink the beer they send us :)

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oobe:

and how long ago did you buy it

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EvilGuru:

oobe: Irrelevant

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I think they do, and that's their main problem

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EvilGuru:

I have told you how to identify the dodgy cards; the wiki has even more info on it

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Dagmar:

I have a URL that can help

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Dagmar:

http://www.google.com/search?q=psychic+hotline

[22:06:52]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: The problem that saddles them with the burden of gorgeous, fit blonde chicks? ;)

[22:06:56]

EvilGuru:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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oobe:

only prob is i can check serial numbers from where i order

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cdpuk`:

oobe: I have 2 actually, one about 1.5 years and another 9 months

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: And an abundance of homosexual males, leaving the aforementioned chicks starved for attention from attractice heterosexuals with American accents?

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oobe:

ok sounds like the ones that dont work are rare

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EvilGuru:

oobe: You can use a different retailer, or alternative RMA it

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Dagmar:

s/attractice/attractive/;

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: one can only hope :D

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EvilGuru:

Dagmar: They dig British accents more

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Dagmar:

EvilGuru: I can do those, too.

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oobe:

i have an unopened dvico that is rev 2 i need to exchange from same place

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EvilGuru:

I did have some NOVA-T a few months back; but it does work under Mythbuntu 8.04 with no issues

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EvilGuru:

s/NOVA-T/NOVA-T-500/

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EvilGuru:

Chance are I'll stick with it until DVB-T2 comes around (if/when there are Linux-supported cards for it)

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EvilGuru:

And pick myself up a DVB-S card in the interim

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oobe:

i think im going to take the risk

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EvilGuru:

No risk :)

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oobe:

lucky i checked the serial number on this rev 2 dd4 before opening now it is only going cost $50 instead of $180 to exchange

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oobe:

so you find you dont get disconnect issues with nova-t 500 i heard that has been fixed

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EvilGuru:

I used to

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Hilikus:

ok my next problem is with audio playback. since i updated to ubuntu 8.03 and myth 0.21 my sound has been garbled but only at some moments, i think its when there are low freqs, not sure though but it is not all the time. might be th same proble but also right now im playing music on myth, being on the song lists when i scroll by holding the down arrow the sound starts crackling. for some reason scrolling does that

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oobe:

oh so it has been fixed

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EvilGuru:

That would appear to be the case

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oobe:

nice

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oobe:

i cant wait

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Hilikus:

any ideas? i thought it was related to video recording but i'm seeing pretty much the same artifact when playing mp3s

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oobe:

EvilGuru, what did you mean by no risk do you think its unlikely i will end up with an unsupported nova-t 500

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EvilGuru:

Correct

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EvilGuru:

Even if you do end up with one, what you've got is not a NOVA-T

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EvilGuru:

It is a NOVA-TD

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EvilGuru:

Perfect grounds for a no-fuss RMA

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HaraDragon:

any suggestions on a remote/reciever for Mythbuntu?

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HaraDragon:

I was looking at those gyro remotes

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J-e-f-f-A:

HaraDragon: I recommend the M$ MCE remote... Works quite well with MythTV.

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iamlindoro:

I second that

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EvilGuru:

I have used one with MythTV — no complaints

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks it's the only good thing M$ has made... ;-) **

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gbee:

MS hardware is often ok and even pretty decent

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gbee:

I'd have to agree that the MCE remote, or at least the version I have, is very nice

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Dagmar:

I would actually like to know who Microsoft bought that's designing their hardware

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rooaus:

oobe: I swapped a new dvb-t plus a while ago for the old model with the distributor. You might be able to try that, the distributor is http://www.lakopacific.com/page/Products/Dvico/

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oobe:

rooaus, did they let you do it for free?

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rooaus:

oobe: Yeah, I just went there. That was a few years ago now, I suspect they understand the difference between product models and hardware revisions now and the impact for linux support. :)

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rooaus:

Dagmar: Reading scrollback, I hope you were not talking about "Fosters Lager", that is smurf piss in a blue can.

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oobe:

ty rooaus i think i know a place nearby i can check and if i need to offer them a small fee i dont mind

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oobe:

and if that doesnt work it will only cost me $50 to get the nova-t 500

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rooaus:

cool

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Dagmar:

We know you're drinking it.

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Dagmar:

Those satellites we've been sending up tell us all sorts of things about you.

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EvilGuru:

Nah, they ship it over here!

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pat__:

don't believe I've ever tried fosters, it certainly isn't available in the bottle shops in brisbane

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rooaus:

pat__: It isn't available in most bottle shops, can't remember the last time I saw it for sale, yet it seems to marketed overseas as "The Aussie Beer". :(

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iamlindoro:

Actually, it's marketed as "Australian *for* beer" ;)

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iamlindoro:

So send us some better beers and change our minds! :)

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pat__:

we mostly drink xxxx or xxxx gold

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pat__:

mostly because it is cheap

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GreyFoxx:

They sell it here

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GreyFoxx:

and I know I was drinking it in Perth

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GreyFoxx:

but that was a long time ago :)

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rooaus:

GreyFoxx: In steel cans?

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pat__:

there are better beers such as gage road, james squire, boags and the like

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GreyFoxx:

On tap in pubs in perth

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GreyFoxx:

here it's in big cans

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iamlindoro:

I bet if you google "xxxx gold" you get sites not about beer :)

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iamlindoro:

oh, I stand corrected, the beer comes first :)

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pat__:

I much prefer XXX but it is only available on tap at the brewery

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pat__:

so we go there most weeks from work for lunch (which is 50m away)

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pat__:

probably marketed as xxx sparkling ale

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