Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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fryfrog:

in the mysql table

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fryfrog:

i forget where

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qfour20:

wow... after all that... it *was* that the password was wrong

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qfour20:

thx for your patience and help, people

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phunyguy:

ok irw returns nothing

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phunyguy:

i even found the REAL correct config

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phunyguy:

i redid the config to match that one

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phunyguy:

still nothing

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phunyguy:

(yes i restarted the service)

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phunyguy:

but yeah, its not translating to buttons

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iamlindoro:

If it were the correct config then irw would *work*

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phunyguy:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/dvico/

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phunyguy:

the picture in there is my remote

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phunyguy:

i have tried both configs in there too

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phunyguy:

so in theory it should be the correct config

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iamlindoro:

This is what you get for relying on pictures. If you get output from mode2, but no output from irw, then your lircd.conf is WRONG

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iamlindoro:

no ifs, ands, or buts

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phunyguy:

that is why i said "theoretically"

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phunyguy:

so the only other option...

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phunyguy:

irrecord.

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Dagmar:

...which is just LOADS of fun.

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phunyguy:

oh god I can't wait.

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phunyguy:

:|

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phunyguy:

i could just wait for my PVR-150 to get here – it comes with a remote

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phunyguy:

or is that one crappy...?

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iamlindoro:

If you got an MCE, then it's fantastic. If you got the non-MCE, then it's one of the worst ones out there

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phunyguy:

crap.

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phunyguy:

i got an OEM

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phunyguy:

just the card.

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phunyguy:

and its the MCE – lol

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phunyguy:

...owned.

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phunyguy:

OK, this name field in the lircd.conf

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phunyguy:

name DVICO_FusionRemote

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phunyguy:

shouldnt that match what is in the lircrc file?

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phunyguy:

or am I way off?

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iamlindoro:

irw doesn't have anything to do with the lircrc

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phunyguy:

oh ok.

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iamlindoro:

irw tests that your lircd.conf is correct. If it doesn't work, then even looking at the lircrc is way, way ahead of things

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phunyguy:

i see that now

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phunyguy:

so, got any good links to set up irrecord?

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Dagmar:

Just the LIRC documentation and what man pages there are.

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Dagmar:

Basically, if you understand how IR transmission/reception works, it's not a problem.

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DefiantN:

what happened to "netscape"? how come it died

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** mkrufky wonders what netscape has to do with mythtv **

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mkrufky:

aol bought netscape

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mkrufky:

then time warner bought aol

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mkrufky:

or vice versa, i dont recall

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DefiantN:

i meant the netscape browser

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mkrufky:

yeah

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mkrufky:

one thing led to another, aol worked better with iexplore

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mkrufky:

netscape's little mascot, mozilla, took it over

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DefiantN:

netsacpe was good browser

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mkrufky:

changed its name

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mkrufky:

mozilla went open source

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mkrufky:

got a corporation

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mkrufky:

now we have firefox

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mkrufky:

that is a summary, and some of the information might be wrong

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mkrufky:

but that is my ompression of "what happened to netscape"

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mkrufky:

^ impression

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mkrufky:

the part that im not 100% sure of is..... did mozilla ACTUALLY come from netscape. im pretty sure it did

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AndyCap:

well, netscape took mozilla browser and branded it netscape

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mkrufky:

ah, i knew i wasnt 100% right

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DefiantN:

andycap no they didn't

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AndyCap:

and after netscape went open source the mozilla project tossed the old code and started a long rewrite of the code.

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AndyCap:

DefiantN: so where did netscape 6 come from? :)

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DefiantN:

netscape came from mosaic

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AndyCap:

DefiantN: I'm talking about the netscape after the opensourcing.

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mkrufky:

big business killed the lizard, DefiantN

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AndyCap:

choked it?

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Dagmar:

drained it, at the very least

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DefiantN:

was netscape payware? because i remember it was downloadable

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Dagmar:

Nope. It was always free.

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AndyCap:

DefiantN: in ancient times you could purchase some versions iirc

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mkrufky:

AOL bought it

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DefiantN:

then how did netscape people made so much money]

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mkrufky:

.com boom

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AndyCap:

stock fraud. :P

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mkrufky:

same shiite

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AndyCap:

nah, they sold software as well, an ldap server and a webserver

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DefiantN:

true webserver wasn't free

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AndyCap:

which got sold to sun around the aol sale iirc. now the ldap server is open source as fedora-ds

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AndyCap:

dunno what sun/iplanet does with the webserver.

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DefiantN:

what is up with all these free open software? how do they make money

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DefiantN:

they still need to eat and survive

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JohnMahowald:

Selling support contracts.

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AndyCap:

dealing crack from the porch

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JohnMahowald:

Rounding transactions up and skimming off a fraction.

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mkrufky:

some of us have to deal crack from fire escapes — we dont all have porches, AndyCap

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hti_pro:

hey guys need a little help if its available. I am watching a dvd with my mythbox and the sound is kinda f?#$d up. some characters are inaudible but not all the time. The background music is always loud and clear, and so are most characters usually.

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psm321:

youre sure its not just the dvd? :)

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hti_pro:

plays just fine in xbox and standalone dvd player

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hti_pro:

no digital noise either

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hti_pro:

avi movies on the hard drive play just fine also. I think it might have something to do with the surround sound.

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hti_pro:

does the analog audio cable have to be plugged into the cd drive and the sound card

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hti_pro:

i can't see why as I have never needed it before

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Dagmar:

Select the plain 2-ch output on the DVD

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Lexridge:

Help! I have a HVR-1600 card which I have been using via the A/V inputs and it has worked fine. I added cable tv to it today, but it does not get audio from this source. Any ideas why not?

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phunyguy:

maybe i should just buy a better remote

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phunyguy:

argh.

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phunyguy:

so much money being sunk into this

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DefiantN:

if google is dominating in searchengine market, who is dominating in chat network market?

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Lexridge:

There is also no audio in the file if I simply do a cat /dev/video0 >test.mpg.

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Lexridge:

FYI, the HVR1600 is a h/w mpeg encoder, so I should think audio would be automatic.

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hti_pro:

Dagmar: do you mean on the dvd itself. It seems that it only offers one setting for english and that is 5.1

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hti_pro:

Lexridge: have you tried xawtv

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hti_pro:

maybe it is something that needs to be enabled on the card and xawtv may help??? not too sure about that though

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Lexridge:

hti_pro. No, I have not. I used VLC server for a bit before getting into mythtv

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Dagmar:

hti_pro: Well, in that case you'd better figure out where your 5.1 channels are being routed to

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Dagmar:

It's rather likely ALSA has them pooched up

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hti_pro:

Dagmar: can i set that up in alsamixer

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phunyguy:

ok now i am trying to enable logging and it is saying invalid option -L

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phunyguy:

(in lircd)

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clever:

try --logfile=something

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clever:

then

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clever:

which should be identical

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phunyguy:

:-/

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phunyguy:

nope

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phunyguy:

same thing

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clever:

lircd --version

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phunyguy:

0.8.3pre1

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clever:

newer then mine

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phunyguy:

:-/

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clever:

so its not an acient one before -L

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phunyguy:

odd, hmm?

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phunyguy:

also, on the wiki it said it lircd was in /usr/local/sbin

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phunyguy:

mine is in /usr/sbin

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clever:

yeah but i dont have much more of an idea

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phunyguy:

-it

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clever:

the /usr/local is the default for when you compile stuff

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Dagmar:

What do you expect the path to matter?

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phunyguy:

yeah

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phunyguy:

i dont

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phunyguy:

man, save me – lol

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phunyguy:

:D

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Dagmar:

If we put ${prefix} in there, which would be more correct, none of these newbs would know what we were talking about.

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clever:

i was using mythtv from /usr/local/

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phunyguy:

i know

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phunyguy:

i wasnt doggin the wiki

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clever:

but ived moved to using a prefix of /media/mainlv/root/7.10/

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clever:

which is a common point to every ubuntu 7.10 system i have

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clever:

1 'make install' upgrades every system at once

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phunyguy:

what will logging get me anyways?

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phunyguy:

anything useful for this issue?

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clever:

i dont even know the problem:P

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phunyguy:

hah

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phunyguy:

grabbed a config for my remote...

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clever:

and ive given up on ir receiving for now because it causes a kernel oops

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phunyguy:

but its obviously not the right config

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phunyguy:

the picture in the directory is even identicle to my remote

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phunyguy:

but irw returns nothing/

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phunyguy:

mode2 returns the raw codes

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J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy: Then you have the wrong remote defined in /etc/lircd.conf ...

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phunyguy:

I am aware of this

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phunyguy:

wait, what?

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phunyguy:

i noticed in the config, there are multiple

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phunyguy:

how do i know which one to pick, and where do I select?

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clever:

lircd checks all the defined remotes for any receiving code

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iamlindoro:

irw will work with any and all remotes defined in lircd.conf.. so they're *all* wrong

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clever:

then tells the app the remote&key

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phunyguy:

yeah

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phunyguy:

thats what i thought

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phunyguy:

in fact – i took all possible configs, and merged them

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phunyguy:

:-/

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phunyguy:

ok let me try irrecord

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phunyguy:

it looks simple enough

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clever:

yep and with cards like the pvr150 it wont work

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clever:

my pvr150 cant receive any code

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clever:

so it cant record either

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phunyguy:

well, im using a comandIR with a fusionREMOTE

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clever:

never heard of it:P

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phunyguy:

the fusion came with the DViCO Fusion HDTV

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phunyguy:

card..

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clever:

i dont even get HD

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phunyguy:

its for over the air

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

dont know if i have that in range

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phunyguy:

i think i do – lol

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clever:

any online sites that show it?

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phunyguy:

stations are around 35 miles away

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phunyguy:

http://www.antennaweb.org

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clever:

This selection guide works for United States addresses only.

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clever:

damnit:P

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phunyguy:

lol pwnt

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phunyguy:

sorry

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phunyguy:

did not realize

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phunyguy:

OK.

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phunyguy:

i just used irrecord, now irw should come up with output as the names i specified in irrecord, right?

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phunyguy:

(yes i added it to the config)

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phunyguy:

something isnt right...

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phunyguy:

maybe wrong kernel module?

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phunyguy:

lirc_cmdir is loaded...

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johnsu01:

Any advice for getting DVD autodetection working? I insert the DVD, and I get a line libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access in the console output, but no plugin starts

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iamlindoro:

You are not getting this-- if the modules were wrong, it would give you nothing via mode2. Once again, and for the last time, if you get mode2 output but no irw output, IT IS YOUR LIRCD.CONF

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iamlindoro:

now stop guessing

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johnsu01:

from what I can see, the options are set to monitor it and launch the DVD menu

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johnsu01:

though I'm confused by the fact that these options seem to be in two different places

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phunyguy:

guessing? i just went through a complete irrecord session

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iamlindoro:

"phunyguy: maybe wrong kernel module?"

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iamlindoro:

That's fucking guessing

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phunyguy:

well fine.

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phunyguy:

but still..

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phunyguy:

if i record the damn signals with irrecord

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phunyguy:

and MAKE a config

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phunyguy:

shouldn't that at least give me something?

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phunyguy:

do i need to post my damn configs in a pastebin?

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phunyguy:

lol.

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phunyguy:

CUZ ILL DO IT

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iamlindoro:

Yes, and we'll cheerfully ignore it

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phunyguy:

ok, begin remote is the first line...

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phunyguy:

then name {NAME OF REMOTE}

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phunyguy:

what is the significance of {NAME OF REMOTE}

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phunyguy:

oh comon, don't ignore me now, lol.

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phunyguy:

awww...

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** phunyguy pouts **

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phunyguy:

what about hardware.conf ?

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CatPasswd:

Are the volume control functions in mythtv broken or something? The osd shows volume up/down and muting, but nothing actually happens to the audio

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iamlindoro:

CatPasswd: are you using SPDIF?

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CatPasswd:

no

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iamlindoro:

Then you probably have the wrong mixer device set

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CatPasswd:

hm

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johnsu01:

console output should tell you

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phunyguy:

ok, hair is being reipped out.

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phunyguy:

ripped too

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phunyguy:

if you guys help me get this working ill never bother you again..

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phunyguy:

souts honor.

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phunyguy:

scouts*

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johnsu01:

hm, I changed the dvd device to /dev/scd0, but still not getting anything autolaunched

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johnsu01:

I've tried the Use New Media option both on and off

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johnsu01:

ejecting and playing from the menu works fine

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phunyguy:

i also noticed with irrecord, the output of the generated file had very long values for each "button entry"

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phunyguy:

compared to the existing config file

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phunyguy:

like button OK for example

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phunyguy:

0xD6ED2F01002337

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phunyguy:

wheras the existing config: 0x7A85

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phunyguy:

sup with that?

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phunyguy:

lol dammit, please help me..

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phunyguy:

look guys, I know I have been demanding, but one of the reasons I decided to go open source was because of the community... and the community support. It seems lately though that all I get is "google it" or "check your config again". Thats not what its all about IMO. I am going to bed. Good night.

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iamlindoro:

kthxbai

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iamlindoro:

We're dicks for sure for asking that you read documentation rather than spend three hours asking us about things that are sitting right there in the docs

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tank-man:

can you please be my google proxy

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phunyguy:

ok so I haven't made it to bed yet.

[02:51:03]

phunyguy:

i tried.

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phunyguy:

I read the docs, they gave me troubleshooting tips...

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phunyguy:

but i am afraid those docs got me nowhere.

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phunyguy:

i asked one very simple question about 3 times.

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phunyguy:

the only thing i can see that may be screwy in my config is the name field.

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phunyguy:

the name of the remote.

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phunyguy:

i asked what the significance of the name field is, and where else it is used.

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phunyguy:

i googled the CRAP out of that and got nothing.

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tank-man:

what docs are you reading?

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phunyguy:

everything that was offered up here

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phunyguy:

especially this one: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

[02:54:54]

phunyguy:

mode2 works, i see output, irw sees nothing, meaning bad lircd.conf

[02:55:13]

phunyguy:

that is all fine and dandy, I used irrecord to record the signals, and put that in my conf. again... irw sees nothing.

[02:58:15]

phunyguy:

now the name of the remote in the lircd.conf is "name /home/phunyguy/output.txt"

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phunyguy:

should it not be that?

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phunyguy:

these are simple questions I am asking.

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phunyguy:

i just want to know the sgnificance of the name field

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phunyguy:

if there is even any sgnificance

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phunyguy:

with that I am really going to bed now.

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phunyguy:

ninite

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** phunyguy is away: sleep **

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tank-man:

phunguy, doesnt irrecord create the conf file for you?

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Joemama_:

anyone around ?

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cesman:

Joemama_: I've been called a square, never a round

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Strex:

anyone have any idea how to use 'import' to take a screenshot of a show on mythtv?

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clever:

i just play the recording in mplayer and use its screenshot button

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Strex:

alright, I'll try that thx.

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Strex:

bbiab

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anxt:

and freebsd users here?

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justinh:

mythtv works on linux. linux != freebsd

[08:34:19]

justinh:

</stating the frickin obvious>

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anxt:

so what makes the linux kernel so much more compatible?

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anxt:

is it xv?

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quicksilver:

I shouldn't think it would be terribly hard to get mythtv running on freebsd

[08:36:03]

anxt:

or the mysql?

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quicksilver:

certainly freebsd supports xv.

[08:36:14]

quicksilver:

your difficultly would be drivers for the tuner cards

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justinh:

getting working tuner card drivers...

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anxt:

i know it runs i just asked if anyone else did it

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anxt:

the tuner cards work at least the hauppauge

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justinh:

ivtv?

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justinh:

dvb tuners?

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justinh:

or is it just the shitty framegrabbers for analogue?

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quicksilver:

their might be subtle differences in the way the tuner card drivers present their userland interface, too.

[08:37:07]

anxt:

aparently a pvr-500 will work

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quicksilver:

although that kind of thing would be easy to solve if you were so inclined.

[08:37:23]

quicksilver:

However I've never heard about anyone doing it.

[08:37:28]

quicksilver:

(running a mythtv box on *bsd)

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justinh:

I've never seen any point in doing it

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justinh:

why make life unneccesarily hard? ;-)

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clever:

make anxt do the work and submit the patches:P

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anxt:

i am wanting more frontend

[08:38:08]

clever:

that would be less work id think

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quicksilver:

frontend should be fine, as long as you have X + xv working.

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anxt:

wow my recepetion was lukewarm at best

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anxt:

i am not that good a coder

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justinh:

what did you expect?

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anxt:

i had no expectations

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justinh:

nobody round here is ever sympathetic to lost causes

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anxt:

so they were met :)

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justinh:

you got honest answers, quickly. quit moaning

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anxt:

i am not moaning. i do think you are being a bit of an asshole

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clever:

ive done some kernel programing on linux

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anxt:

i am not coming here trying to cause controversy

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justinh:

anxt: I'm not being an asshole

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anxt:

a mere question if there were freebsd users

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justinh:

you should see me trying to be an asshole. jesus

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anxt:

justinh, please perform for me

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justinh:

heh

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clever:

yeah its fun to watch when im not the target:P

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anxt:

i should like to see you being an asshole

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justinh:

nah I'd rather sit here & watch you

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anxt:

is there a linux/bsd war here i didn't know?

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anxt:

justinh, i can get along with that.

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clever:

ive never used *bsd

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clever:

enless one of my livecd's had it without me knowing

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directhex:

there's opposition to people going out of their way to find the most awkward way to do something, when we end up supporting it

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AndyCap:

usually bsd users whine about linux eating their lunch.

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anxt:

i am not asking for programming support

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directhex:

AndyCap, mmm lunch!

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anxt:

i don't see how qt sql access is terribly different in bsd

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directhex:

it isn't

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anxt:

meh

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Dibblah:

The "subtle difference" is that last time I saw, *BSD didn't do Video For Linux.

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clever:

Qt i think would greatly help in lessening the differences

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directhex:

the backend will not run on bsd, due to the requirement for v4l

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Dibblah:

Which means that pretty much none of the capture cards will work.

[08:44:53]

directhex:

well, it would supoprt the hdhomerun, but nothing else

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directhex:

frontend ought to run, but it's largely untested, so you can expect to spend a LOT of time writing bug reports and patches

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justinh:

there was a full-blown flamewar on a mailing list a couple of years ago, started by a BSD user. they're a friendly bunch

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anxt:

strangley enough it does run

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anxt:

using pvr-500s

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Dibblah:

justinh: To be fair, he did provide patches.

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justinh:

Dibblah: yeah, *eventually*

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justinh:

after 500 hate-filled posts

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Dibblah:

anxt: So there is a V4L layer in *BSD these days?

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anxt:

Dibblah, no i don't think there is

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AndyCap:

http://mythtv.son.org/tiki-index.php some other video drivers it seems

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directhex:

anxt, so since you obviously have more knowledge & experience than anyone else, why are you asking?

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AndyCap:

and no lamegrabbers. :) win!

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anxt:

all i asked was if ter were any freebsd users

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anxt:

that is all i asked

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sid3windr:

probably there are at least some

[08:47:44]

sid3windr:

who else would be compiling and releasing it

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sid3windr:

:]

[08:47:57]

anxt:

why am i the asshole

[08:48:01]

anxt:

i just asked a q

[08:48:19]

Dibblah:

It's not just framegrabbers that use V4L.

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sid3windr:

you just have to get used to justinh, anxt ;)

[08:48:40]

directhex:

you asked a question, with an appropriate answer

[08:48:44]

Dibblah:

IVTV, DVB, ... all are vaguely based on it.

[08:48:51]

AndyCap:

Dibblah: was just refering to the fact that they didn't want to support brooktree cards.

[08:48:59]

directhex:

myth is a first class citizen on linux only. other platforms have pretty much only developers-as-users

[08:49:08]

anxt:

who the fuck has a brooktree?

[08:49:23]

directhex:

who the fuck has analog?

[08:49:26]

anxt:

i threw mine in the dumpster 6 years ago

[08:49:35]

AndyCap:

anxt: not everything is about you.

[08:49:37]

clever:

2008-07–01 05:49:30.743 Fast-Forwarding from 0 to 7985

[08:49:37]

clever:

2008-07–01 05:49:30.777 Fast-Forwarding from 0 to 7985

[08:49:37]

clever:

2008-07–01 05:49:30.850 Fast-Forwarding from 0 to 7985

[08:49:42]

clever:

should mythtranscode do that?

[08:49:56]

Dibblah:

anxt: At least you didn't ask for Windows. Now THAT would have gotten people upset ;)

[08:50:04]

AndyCap:

directhex: first class citizen? Myth rides in the back of the bus with all the other patent encumbered software. :)

[08:50:07]

anxt:

i expected asshole in the dev channel

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Dibblah:

... Even though the Windows port does apparently start up at least, now...

[08:50:27]

directhex:

Dibblah, i uninstalled all my windows myth build tree. saved 4 gig of space!

[08:50:55]

AndyCap:

anxt: seems you're the one calling pepole assholes.

[08:51:01]

anxt:

perhaps

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Dibblah:

angst: Ohkay, calm down a little ;)

[08:51:21]

anxt:

i am not upset

[08:51:29]

anxt:

disappointed is more the word

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AndyCap:

Dibblah: tab-expansion-fail

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directhex:

Dibblah, starts up fine! http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . tv-win32.JPG

[08:52:00]

Dibblah:

AndyCap: If I'd used tab, then maybe.

[08:52:15]

AndyCap:

ooh,.

[08:52:22]

clever:

Dibblah: what wallpaper is that:P

[08:52:32]

Dibblah:

clever: That's not me.

[08:52:40]

clever:

oops

[08:52:45]

clever:

directhex: same question:p

[08:52:52]

clever:

Dibblah: damn tab complete:P

[08:53:21]

directhex:

clever, http://mitsuki.jp/~rui/wall/main/rkworks_92.png

[08:53:53]

clever:

.hack/root?

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anxt:

meh

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anykey_:

directhex: is that trunk?

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clever:

might be from all the empty or null errors

[08:55:41]

clever:

i get those on my trunk

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directhex:

anykey_, no! 0.21-fixes!

[08:56:14]

directhex:

anykey_, though trunk is likely to behave a bit more

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Dibblah:

I like the window title...

[08:56:24]

anykey_:

directhex: ooh

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directhex:

Dibblah, i have NFI what's up with that

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directhex:

anykey_, it BARELY works, and took me several days to get to a point with bad a/v sync and repeated crashing

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clever:

Dibblah: i saw a mention of that bug somewhere

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anykey_:

directhex: ok, but nice to see some progress

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clever:

so back to my last question

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clever:

2008-07–01 05:51:47.050 Fast-Forwarding from 0 to 7985

[09:02:53]

clever:

2008-07–01 05:51:47.092 Fast-Forwarding from 0 to 7985

[09:02:53]

clever:

2008-07–01 05:51:47.182 Fast-Forwarding from 0 to 7985

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clever:

should mythtranscode spew that non stop?

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justinh:

clever: maybe in your exceedingly edge-case scenario ;-)

[09:03:36]

clever:

justinh: what exactly could cause it to do that

[09:03:45]

clever:

last time i saw it doing this, it was 242% done a transcode:P

[09:03:50]

justinh:

I dunno. your exceedingly edge-case scenario?

[09:04:03]

clever:

im looking to patch it:P

[09:04:12]

justinh:

possibly a borked recordedmarkup table?

[09:06:02]

clever:

the frontend doesnt have a problem with the cutlist

[09:06:25]

justinh:

running trunk? raise a ticket

[09:06:42]

clever:

trunk a few weeks old

[09:06:56]

clever:

and i can probly fix it myself like i did with udpnotify

[09:07:04]

clever:

which i submited the patch for

[09:08:09]

clever:

the most i can guess

[09:08:11]

justinh:

wonder what's going on with my last submitted patch

[09:08:24]

clever:

i have a cutpoint at the start which doesnt haave a matching start point

[09:09:09]

clever:

wtf

[09:09:16]

clever:

now the frontend is ignoring the keyboard

[09:09:26]

clever:

now i cant fix the cutlist

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clever:

and it ignores the telnet control port

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justinh:

oh fuck why? http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythtvj/

[09:12:36]

clever:

because some noobs want to use java?

[09:12:58]

clever:

i find it hard on the ram&cpu but thats the perfect way to max out the new quad core desktops:P

[09:13:29]

clever:

2008-07–01 06:13:24.516 Fast-Forwarding from 1 to 7985

[09:13:29]

clever:

2008-07–01 06:13:24.589 Fast-Forwarding from 1 to 7985

[09:13:39]

clever:

i edited the cutlist to solve what i thought the problem was

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justinh:

try rebuilding the seektable first

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clever:

running...

[09:18:09]

justinh:

try something simple first, before reaching for the sledgehammer

[09:18:33]

clever:

done!

[09:19:32]

clever:

transcoding losslessly again

[09:20:28]

clever:

waiting for the backend to clue in and find the new job

[09:21:04]

clever:

dead:P

[09:22:39]

clever:

repeating with -v all

[09:24:03]

clever:

http://pastebin.ca/1059790

[09:24:24]

justinh:

is your myth system ever not fucked? I mean like EVER?

[09:24:44]

clever:

it works enough to play&record normaly 90% of the time

[09:24:59]

clever:

except for the low disk space which i keep a close eye on and never let it run out

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** justinh hands clever another 16k ram-pak **

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clever:

that wont even hold 3 minutes of video:P

[09:26:24]

clever:

2008-07–01 06:22:34.834 Cutlist : 1–7985,21001–26818,43530–49835,61762–67587,76521–8 2539,88137–94127

[09:26:27]

clever:

2008-07–01 06:22:34.834 Original Length: 107550 frames

[09:26:30]

clever:

2008-07–01 06:22:34.834 New Length : 69611 frames

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clever:

that fits perfectly with the records in the database

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[09:37:15]

Varak_:

how can i make the screen not flicker when i display the EPG? This only seems to happen when im watching live tv and disp;lay the epg on my tv — on other computer frontends it works fine

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quicksilver:

turn on a suitable interlacer

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quicksilver:

deinterlacer, even.

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justinh:

or turn on your TV output flicker filter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[09:39:43]

justinh:

(if using Intel TV out, download the source code & hack the driver yourself)

[09:40:34]

quicksilver:

mind you, if you have the horsepower in your CPU, a good deinterlacer is nice to have anyway.

[09:40:50]

justinh:

EPG != OSD

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quicksilver:

True. I read what I thought he said, not what he wrote.

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Varak_:

heh

[09:41:56]

Varak_:

im reading about deinterlacing

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justinh:

more usres need to get a fucking clue how to ask questions then

[09:42:47]

Varak_:

how should i have better phrased my question?

[09:43:06]

quicksilver:

I think your question was fine. justinh has PMT.

[09:43:07]

quicksilver:

:P

[09:43:14]

Varak_:

heh

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justinh:

what's wrong with wanting the world to get a fucking clue?

[09:44:07]

justinh:

hey why won't my computer start? it has fuel in & everything

[09:44:17]

justinh:

oh wait no I didn't mean computer I meant my CAR. oops

[09:45:07]

** justinh has management anger. as in uncontrollable rage towards clueless cunts they call managers here **

[09:46:20]

justinh:

you'd like a machine configured & finished to go out today. do you a) hang around in the lab dropping hints that you need a machine out today, or do you fucking ASK somebody to do it?

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justinh:

must be why the guy is a *product* manager not a people manager :)

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Varak_:

well, when i watch live tv on a computer on my network i can display the epg fine, but when i try to display it on my tv, hooked to the backend and also running a frontend, the epg flickers between displaying the epg and displaying the live tv — I've googled a lot and im not seeing how to fix it

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justinh:

do you mean the programme guide or the on-screen menus?

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Varak_:

i mean the thing that tells me what shows are on, the thing that comes up when i hit s

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justinh:

that'd be the EPG, not the OSD then :)

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justinh:

nvidia tvout?

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Varak_:

well, i keep saying epg

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justinh:

if so, crank up the flicker filter in nvidia-settings

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Varak_:

yeah its nvidia

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justinh:

I just thought I'd ask, to clarify things

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sid3windr:

lol

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Varak_:

is this flicker filter you speak of real or is this irc sarcasam

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justinh:

because *someone* saw EPG & thought 'OSD' ;)

[09:50:53]

justinh:

no, I'm totally fucking making it up to annoy you

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Varak_:

thats what i thought

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justinh:

it's in nvidia-settings, believe me

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Varak_:

but im checking anyhow

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Varak_:

heh

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Varak_:

ok

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justinh:

btw when I said 'tv out' I meant like svideo/composite

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Varak_:

well, im using the tv as a monitor plugged into the vga out of the computer

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directhex:

vga means not tv out

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directhex:

means no flicker filter

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Varak_:

ok

[09:52:52]

directhex:

means find a nice renderer/deinterlacer combination. opengl looks nice, if it works for you

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justinh:

why would a deinterlacer have ANY effect on the EPG?

[09:53:23]

justinh:

I mean like *ANY* effect? it can't

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justinh:

the flickering is being caused by a combination of the T V& the mode you're using

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Varak_:

well i changed the paint engine from qt to opengl and the problem persists

[09:54:45]

Varak_:

is that what you meant?

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justinh:

Varak_: what mode are you running X at?

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Varak_:

1024x768

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justinh:

and what mode does the T V(allegedly) support?

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justinh:

I take it it's a CRT TV btw...

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justinh:

anyway, my diagnosis would be.. the TV is crap. try different modes & themes to see if any lessen the flickering

[10:06:00]

justinh:

deinterlacing & which theme painter you use will have NO EFFECT

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Varak_:

ok

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justinh:

I didn't have any hard-edged lines in any of my themes, quite deliberately

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Varak_:

its one of these http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=L42W7 . . . zmap=L42W761

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Varak_:

Envision flat screen 42 inch L42W761

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sid3windr:

heh, that's not a crt tv ;)

[10:12:05]

Varak_:

it wants to be at 1366 x 768

[10:12:29]

Varak_:

yeah it's not a crt

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justinh:

enwho?

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justinh:

so, the flickering is prolly coming from not running X at the native res of the screen. shitty scaling :)

[10:14:40]

justinh:

very shitty, if it's flickering!

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Varak_:

well, the next thing i was gonna try was getting x to work at that res, but i thtought maybe there was something obvious i was missing, apparently not.

[10:15:33]

Varak_:

thank you for trying to help

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justinh:

reason I thought it was a CRT was the mention of flicker on a VGA input – no way that should be able to happen on a panel, I'd have guessed

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Mad93:

Hi, I've installed a backend on a quadcore xeon 2 Ghz, and a frontend on a P3 1 Ghz. When the backend pass the file to reproduce (tv recording) he does it as a TS file or in raw mode?

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justinh:

heh no way could it be raw uncompressed video

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Mad93:

why not?

[10:26:00]

justinh:

it's passed in the same format as it's recorded in

[10:26:05]

Mad93:

network performance?

[10:26:25]

justinh:

Mad93: simple maths.. few home networks could sustain that kind of rate

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Mad93:

mine can ><

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justinh:

multiple gigabits?

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Mad93:

1 Gb is enought no?

[10:27:15]

justinh:

not for uncompressed video, no

[10:27:27]

justinh:

well maybe SDTV

[10:27:34]

justinh:

definitely not for HD though :)

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Mad93:

oo, ok, thanks for clarify it

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Mad93:

XD

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justinh:

so if you record in RTJPEG, the backend just streams the file

[10:29:50]

justinh:

the bottom line is, only the file is streamed – doesn't matter what the format is

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jamesd:

yes so the p3 would of been the better back end.. and the quadcore would do better on the front.

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** jamesd isn't sure why everyone, including my self, start out getting into myth thinking that the backend is where the power is needed, but really almost any box with lots of storage can be used as the backend even with multiple tuner cards. **

[10:33:14]

** justinh never thought that **

[10:33:51]

justinh:

then again I'm one of the fucking FREAKS who read the docs before even thinking about installing it

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jamesd:

then why is your backend the quadcore and your frontend a lowly p3. the p3 wpm

[10:34:11]

jamesd:

er might not even play hd signals.

[10:34:12]

phunyguy:

since when?

[10:34:19]

phunyguy:

the backend does all the work

[10:34:30]

phunyguy:

the frontend just makes sure it gets to the TV

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directhex:

phunguy, no it doesn't. please take criminal stupidity elsewhere

[10:34:42]

justinh:

could this channel be any more unclued today?

[10:34:52]

jamesd:

the backend runs a 200MB database, and writes 7GB/hr to disk.

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justinh:

jamesd: Mad93's backend, not mine.

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Mad93:

jamesd: the problem is the xeon one is a server, and does so much noise

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phunyguy:

wow, dick.

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[10:35:44]

justinh:

lamegrabber users (well, really!) need more CPU cycles

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jamesd:

justinh, sorry my bad.. pre-coffee.. and its 5:35am

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Mad93:

so i need a new machine, quieter to do the job....

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directhex:

Mad93, do some maths. 720x576 resolution for PAL, say 24-bit color, say 25 frames per second. how much bandwidth is that per second, uncompressed?

[10:37:28]

Mad93:

432 Gb/s? :P

[10:38:11]

justinh:

where the fuck did you learn maths?

[10:38:47]

Mad93:

justinh: release your frustation in another person please

[10:39:02]

jamesd:

HDTV 1080i is about 7GB per hour... its not much for a modern system.

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justinh:

Mad93: I'm just asking where did you learn maths to come out with that answer?

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directhex:

jamesd, compressed.

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directhex:

jamesd, uncompressed, it's... more.

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justinh:

720x576 * 24 * 25 == ?

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Mad93:

in the university, but well i'm not good with them, its not a secret

[10:40:03]

Mad93:

i did this, exactly

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jamesd:

of course... uncompress its probably 80–100GB/hr .. and most of us can't afford the disk space for a week of recordings uncompressed

[10:40:15]

justinh:

hey if you really have a problem report me to freenode :)

[10:40:15]

Mad93:

and later divided by 1000000

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Mad93:

so the result is in bits

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justinh:

do me a favour if I can never get in here again

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directhex:

jamesd, try per minute.

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Mad93:

jamesd: in the hardware side, i simple have taken what I had in house

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Mad93:

I've not brought any machine for this pourpose

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justinh:

people rarely use the right hardware for the job :)

[10:42:49]

Mad93:

like i said the xeon is so noisy, can't be placed where is the tv

[10:43:19]

justinh:

oh yeah, mythtv – just put it on any old crap you have lying around. it'll be fine :)

[10:43:43]

justinh:

though I can understand people not wanting to buy new kit until they know the lie of the land

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Mad93:

and in the p3 can only handle IDE hard drives

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justinh:

my backend is just some random old crap box

[10:46:40]

justinh:

started life as a 800mhz athlon. now 2000xp. still rubbish

[10:46:46]

Mad93:

and how you add hardisks, via nfs or samba?

[10:46:54]

justinh:

added them inside the box

[10:46:58]

justinh:

3 ide HDDs

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justinh:

/dev/hda3 439G 246G 171G 60% /home

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justinh:

/dev/hdb1 298G 209G 90G 70% /myth

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justinh:

/dev/hdd1 466G 454G 13G 98% /video

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justinh:

awful

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Mad93:

so in the frontend you use a powerful pc, with liquid refrigeration?

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justinh:

nope

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Mad93:

i mean, my major concern with this is the noise, my mother is so "sensitive" about it

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directhex:

Mad93, in the frontend you need a CPU capable of decoding the source video

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justinh:

core2 duo 1.83Ghz. virtually fanless

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directhex:

Mad93, in the case of standard def, then anything non-via goes these days

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justinh:

non-via and > 500mhz

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directhex:

Mad93, for americanese HD, any decent single-core CPU or low-end dual core CPU

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directhex:

Mad93, for real HD, at least 2ghz of core2duo

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Mad93:

i want to play 720p files with it, if possible

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Mad93:

so i must go for a core2duo 2Ghz :S

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justinh:

what?

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justinh:

720p what?!

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Mad93:

720 progressive

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justinh:

progressive WHAT

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justinh:

h.264, mpeg2 ? que?!

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Mad93:

x264

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justinh:

dodgy warezy downlaods, then

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directhex:

mkv rips

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directhex:

play on a toaster

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justinh:

all < 10mbits aren't they generally?

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justinh:

my c2d can play '1080p' mkv apparently

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directhex:

low bitrate, no cpu-hungry settings

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justinh:

but it's not real HD

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directhex:

pretty much the same as the <10gb download videos found on services like xbox live

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justinh:

if you say 'mkv' without specifying terms, you might all just as well say "VIDEO"

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justinh:

will this box play video? wel.. er.. maybe

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Mad93:

I've a tube screen, I really doesn't apreciate de diference

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directhex:

so why download HD warez if your screen is SD?

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Mad93:

are anime shows

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Mad93:

and well, today i

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Mad93:

I've this screen, tomorrow...

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Mad93:

If i can download it with the 'best' quality better have it no?

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Mad93:

the bitrate is very low, like 25 min in 300 MB

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Mad93:

Well, is quite clear that i can't do anything with the p3...

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Mad93:

Thanks for your time

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zoomzoom:

hi ive been using myth for a few years, several versions.. and i upgraded from 0.20.2 to 0.21 last night, since the upgrade, when the OSD comes up or 'm' for menu during playback, the text is like, out of focus and jumping like broken interlace or something

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zoomzoom:

never seen it before and it just happened after the 0.21 upgrade... reinstalled themes and plugins i use.. still the same.. and checked in setup for osd didnt see anything that would cause it

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zoomzoom:

any ideas what could be the cause or something to check to try and track it down? enabled full logging on both frontends (both have the same problem) but dont get any errors

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iamlindoro__:

zoomzoom: Change your deinterlacer to anything but Bob

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zoomzoom:

iamlindro: oh yeah? didnt try that lol

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zoomzoom:

bob no good now?

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zoomzoom:

hrm actually i wonder if im even delinterlacing on there

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iamlindoro__:

Oh you are

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iamlindoro__:

This is extremely common when people upgrade to .21 and leave the default playback profiles

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zoomzoom:

ahhh

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zoomzoom:

very nice. thanks alot man

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iamlindoro__:

np

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zoomzoom:

some of the flash support make it into mythweb in 0.21 i see

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zoomzoom:

gonna hit up the wiki for some info on that because id love to get that working

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zoomzoom:

woah nice, it just works

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iamlindoro___:

haha, MCE prevents recording of yet another NBC show due to the broadcast flag

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iamlindoro___:

this after they told customers they had patched it to disregard the broadcast flag and that it was just a big mix up to begin with

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|Torg|:

do you have a link to the story?

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iamlindoro___:

yeah

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iamlindoro___:

http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/07/01/abc-family- . . . e-middleman/

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iamlindoro___:

I was wrong, it's ABC :)

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GreyFoxx:

doh

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iamlindoro___:

Man, MCE is a freakin' disaster

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|Torg|:

but it works so well :P

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EvilGuru:

I didn't think it ever took off

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iamlindoro___:

If you've *got* to have a Media Center on Windows, BeyondTV and Sage seem *really* good, there's no real reason to go with ME

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iamlindoro___:

er MCE

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kslater:

what's the minimum core 2 duo processor that would likely play back 1080p/60 assuming an NVidia graphics card

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stoneymonster:

what codec?

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|Torg|:

what bitrate?

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kslater:

mpeg2

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kslater:

hmm, bitrate, can't recall what those are like on US OTA broadcasts

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kslater:

4500 bps?

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|Torg|:

mpeg2 is the container, what codec?

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stoneymonster:

there are no 1080p OTA broadcasts...

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|Torg|:

are you taling about US ATSC?

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kslater:

yes

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|Torg|:

then stoneymonster is correct there is no 1080P bcast

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kslater:

correct

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kslater:

1080i or 720p then I guess

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stoneymonster:

for 1080i at ~18mbps or whatever they do max, I think a ~2ghz will do it, depending on how you do deinterlacing

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|Torg|:

and a 1gz single core, with nvidia 6 or higher and xvmc can play it

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|Torg|:

as in my old FE that I no longer use

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stoneymonster:

right, and there's always xvmc, forgot about that

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kslater:

don't want to use xvmc

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|Torg|:

why not?

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kslater:

is xvmc well supported on nvidia?

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|Torg|:

quite

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kslater:

I've used the Via version for a long while and wouldn't mind ditching it

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|Torg|:

its not a "version" thing. xvmc is a protiocal, is a GPU thing what you used to DO xvmc

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|Torg|:

and in that case nvidia does xvmc with ease

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|Torg|:

if you are looking for differnt hardware specs what you are asking to do is all over the wiki

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kslater:

I'll have a look. Thanks |Torg| / stoneymonster

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Choosing_Frontend_Hardware

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Ryushin:

How well is myth working on windows right now? I'm thinking of moving to digital cable and purchasing 3–4 PVR-HD boxes. My wife has Vista and uses BeyondTV to watch TV on her computer. I'm thinking she will watch LiveTV over the network to the backend which will have the 3–4 PVR-HD boxes.

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iamlindoro___:

Ryushin: the consensus of those people which have compiled it there is that it is not stable enough to be usable full time

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iamlindoro___:

BTW, it's "HD-PVR"

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Ryushin:

iamlindoro___: Okay, so much for that idea. And I guess you still can't buy cable card pci cards yet either.

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source_code:

hi, can anyone tell me what is channel to get support for mythtv frontend through xebian on xbox

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|Torg|:

myth alarey works on xbox with limitations

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iamlindoro___:

Ryushin: they exist, but there won't ever be a legal linux implementation

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|Torg|:

fully? never it is not powerfull enough

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source_code:

well other than a 10 sec delay on my box i have mythfrontend working perfectly

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source_code:

no issues

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source_code:

perfect picture and quality

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Ryushin:

iamlindoro___: Well, she is running Vista, so if she can still watch her news channels using the cable card pci card then that is all that matters to me.

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EvilGuru:

Ryushin: Trade you wife in for one who uses Linux. Vista is good enough grounds for divorce ;)

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iamlindoro___:

Ryushin: Just so you know, you can't buy the Cable Card PCI tuners seperately, you have to buy a "licensed" Vista Media Center System, and she would need to use those tuners in MCE, they wouldn't work elsewhere

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clever:

EvilGuru: ive helped vista users over the web with vnc before

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clever:

vista keeps 'protecting' them from help every time i go anywhere near the complex admin programs:P

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clever:

kills the connection

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clever:

and even after i reconnect

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clever:

those programs that seem to have upgraded there perms(sudo'ed?) now ignore every click i make:P

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clever:

so then im forced to explain it in realy simple words while i watch

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source_code:

you will need to disable dep to start with

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clever:

that sounds like a totaly seperate thing

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clever:

enless your talking about mythfrontend

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source_code:

nope talking about vista

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Ryushin:

iamlindoro___: Crud. I guess I'll have to do some more digging to find a way for her to watch her news shows. I work in Linux exclusively, but my wife likes windows. Linux can't match it yet on the desktop for the apps she wants to use.

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source_code:

as far as i remember dep has something to do with program permissions and execution

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clever:

source_code: i think its about executing data parts of ram

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clever:

which can protect from stuff like buffer overflows

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clever:

and break any program that generates code on the fly or loads it in non standard ways

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Ryushin:

I wonder if I can run Linux on winodws through that new distro that can run seamlessly inside windows and run Myth from that.

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clever:

i have ubuntu running with the colinux kernel

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clever:

which shares the cpu&ram evenly between the 2 kernels

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clever:

and i have xming on the windows side

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clever:

id have to check to see if xv even works over that

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clever:

i found my X server adr, but i lack access:P

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cesman:

xhost + yo.u.r.ip

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clever:

cant

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clever:

no xhost installed on the 'x server' box

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clever:

now you see why this will be tricky

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Ryushin:

clever: Have you run myth inside of colinux yet?

[17:45:22]

clever:

cesman: i found a X0.hosts which listed localhost and the old linux 'box' ip

[17:45:34]

clever:

Ryushin: not yet but im about to test xv in mplayer

[17:45:45]

clever:

but xterm isnt even installed:P

[17:45:59]

clever:

but i am connecting to xming now

[17:46:11]

clever:

im not shure xv will like doing a tcp connection over a tap tunnel

[17:46:56]

clever:

installing a window manager

[17:48:09]

clever:

29 23:59:13 <clever> whatever i copy, you can paste

[17:48:37]

clever:

'sorry, xv not supported by this x11 version/driver'

[17:49:36]

clever:

im getting 2 fps with -v x11

[17:49:54]

clever:

this doesnt look like its going to work yet:P

[17:50:32]

clever:

bbl

[17:51:28]

Ryushin:

Can colinux run natively in a window on windows?

[17:52:26]

Ryushin:

I guess the bigger question would be if XV can run in colinux.

[17:52:38]

iamlindoro___:

pretty doubtful

[17:52:47]

iamlindoro___:

on the latter, that is

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clever:

right now the X11 conn is going over plain tcp

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clever:

you would need to convince the client/server that tcp can have shared memory

[17:54:30]

clever:

then add a special colinux driver to share memory between windows and linux apps

[17:55:02]

clever:

posibly replace the linux Xv lib's with one that translates

[17:55:19]

Ryushin:

Okay, so that's not a viable solution yet.

[17:55:36]

clever:

enless you have an 8 core system at 3ghz each:P

[17:55:51]

clever:

then my 2.9ghz celeron's 2fps may look like 30

[17:55:54]

Ryushin:

Sure, I have one of those old things in my basement. :)

[17:55:57]

webvictim:

hi everyone. when i was first setting up my myth box, i remember reading something about people having problems with hauppage wintv cards going to sleep because of USB powering off. i can't find the information again though – any chance someone could point me in the right direction?

[17:56:04]

clever:

another minor problem

[17:56:07]

clever:

colinux cant run smp yet

[17:56:13]

clever:

causes some kind of crash

[17:56:18]

clever:

so it forces itself to run on 1 cpu

[17:56:25]

iamlindoro___:

webvictim: That is specific to Nova-T 500s. If you don't have one it's not relevant

[17:56:29]

webvictim:

i have a wintv nova-t 500 :P

[17:56:30]

clever:

so only the linux side will gain anything from all those cores

[17:56:31]

webvictim:

heh.

[17:56:33]

webvictim:

i do.

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iamlindoro___:

It's all in the linuxtv wiki IIRC

[17:56:47]

webvictim:

i can watch live tv fine, it's just the recording tuner that seems to power off.

[17:56:58]

clever:

bbl

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iamlindoro___:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-500

[17:57:31]

iamlindoro___:

probably the section marked "losing one tuner?"

[17:57:33]

atrus_:

g

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atrus_:

oops.

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webvictim:

that's exactly what i remember seeing before, thanks a lot.

[17:57:57]

iamlindoro___:

np

[17:57:59]

webvictim:

i was looking at the wrong wiki, it seems.

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Ryushin:

My wife has been using MythTV Player to watch the recordings of the myth box without any problems. Live TV though is another problem.

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webvictim:

has anyone got experience of getting the nova-t 500's IR remote sensor set up correctly via udev?

[18:23:18]

webvictim:

i've done a few things, tried to set up a rule to symlink it to somewhere static

[18:23:23]

webvictim:

but it doesn't seem to work properly

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webvictim:

i don't get a symlink, have to keep updating the lirc hardware.conf

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MasseR:

Is there a way to find programs in mythtv. I have 20 days of epg data, and it's pain in the .. to find programs to record

[18:36:34]

MasseR:

Some sort of search, or day sort or something

[18:36:57]

iamlindoro___:

yes, there are search tools in both frontend and mythweb

[18:37:21]

iamlindoro___:

in frontend under "Manage Recordings" and if you can't find it in mythweb, well, seek medical help immediately

[18:37:57]

MasseR:

Hehe, I'd rather not setup mythweb, so I'll take a look in the frontend :)

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iamlindoro___:

You are missing out, Mythweb is far, far, far more convenient for scheduling than the frontend

[18:38:36]

webvictim:

i agree 100%

[18:38:37]

** xris is glad of that. :) **

[18:38:40]

webvictim:

mythweb is brilliant.

[18:39:02]

MasseR:

True, but I have set up apache to use django (mod_python), and it would be a pain to have also mythweb :)

[18:39:24]

A08:

Hello can anyone tell me what "DTVSM(0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(28463) desired(53608)" ist trying to tell me?

[18:39:48]

A08:

...having troubel to tune in to encrypted channels but everything works once I have restarted the backend...

[18:40:25]

A08:

...and the great WWW is not giving me any hints so far.

[18:41:04]

iamlindoro___:

A08: IIRC those can mostly be ignored, but you can also rescan your channels to try to eliminate any channel mapping errors-- if you imported a channels.conf you really ought to scan with myth's inboard scanner

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A08:

i did a rescan several times already but the problem doesn't go away – even emptied the list

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iamlindoro___:

As I said, those can mostly be ignored as I recall

[18:42:21]

clever:

Ryushin: xming, just like the server in cygwin can run in a root mode, where you get the normal x weave in a window with all the x programs(and need a linux wm)

[18:42:36]

clever:

Ryushin: or it can run in a rootless mode where every 'window' is a normal windows window

[18:42:53]

clever:

which could cause problems with gnome-panel&friends if you still wanted to use them

[18:43:07]

clever:

having a titlebar on that would be ugly:P

[18:44:01]

A08:

problem is, that those messages appear and the recording does not start -on screen I see LAMc instead of LAMC

[18:44:36]

iamlindoro___:

A08: Well, myth won't tune encrypted channels by itself w/o a hardware CAM. If you're using one, then you may need to crank up the tuning timeout in mythtv-setup

[18:45:31]

clever:

MasseR: i have php&perl&mod_python on 4 of my apache's

[18:45:34]

A08:

tuning timeout – that seems to be a good way; I have a hardware CAM and it works fine – it's just when MythTV is running for a day that the problems start.

[18:45:36]

A08:

Thank you

[18:45:41]

iamlindoro___:

np

[18:45:46]

clever:

wasnt much work

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A08:

another question – not always, but most of the times if a Timeslot has finished (like 19.59:59 and the next movie would start at 20:00) and I am watching live TV the program hangs – happens on unencrypted channels as well – any ideas?

[18:48:44]

A08:

...nothing important and I haven't checked logs at those times yet.

[18:49:05]

iamlindoro___:

you'll need to check the logs, possible with verbose logging running

[18:49:08]

iamlindoro___:

er possibly

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A08:

how do i enable verbose logging?

[18:49:32]

clever:

-v all

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iamlindoro___:

mythfrontend -v all

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iamlindoro___:

or -v most is usually enough

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A08:

cool – thank you very much.

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sebrock:

anyone happens to know how to unload modules using pm-utils for hibernate/suspend?

[18:55:11]

clever:

nearly all my systems go into a coma when i hit syspend:P

[18:55:13]

clever:

including the pda with linux

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clever:

which will 'suspend' after 2mins of no poking

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sebrock:

ah think I've found it

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sebrock:

my system finally works for me on suspend

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sebrock:

however needs some tweaking with modules

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sebrock:

thought I'll make it automatic and I get a killer frontend :D

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kambei:

I am suddenly unable to schedule recordings in MythTV, and all my previous recording schedules don't show up.

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kambei:

Any ideas on how to fix this issue?

[19:03:37]

kambei:

All of the recorded material is still present, so I don't think it's a database issue.

[19:04:17]

iamlindoro___:

Did you change your hostname?

[19:04:24]

kambei:

No sir.

[19:04:30]

cesman:

kambei: check your logs

[19:04:41]

iamlindoro___:

and possibly/probably repair the DB

[19:04:47]

kambei:

I did repair the DB.

[19:04:47]

cesman:

schedule a record for right now and see what it states in the logs

[19:05:03]

kambei:

I have been looking at the output of the backend. Which logs shall I check?

[19:05:09]

dustybin:

do you think a pentium III 733mhz is capable of playing back a MP3?

[19:05:11]

cesman:

backend

[19:05:23]

cesman:

dustybin: yes

[19:05:28]

dustybin:

excellent!!

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|Torg|:

dustybin: easily, I did it on 486's

[19:05:55]

dustybin:

i purchased a old pentium III IBM netvista desktop from ebay for £8.99

[19:06:05]

dustybin:

going to install LFS onto it

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dustybin:

console only

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webvictim:

kambei: can you watch live TV?

[19:07:42]

kambei:

I can.

[19:07:50]

kambei:

I am getting nothing from the log

[19:07:57]

kambei:

In fact, the log is empty.

[19:08:09]

iamlindoro___:

sweet, MLP/TrueHD support now in ffmpeg SVN, no patching required

[19:08:16]

webvictim:

/var/log/mythtv/mythtv-backend.log ?

[19:08:19]

kambei:

Yes sir.

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webvictim:

nothing in it at all? :/

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kambei:

/var/log/mythtv/mythtv-backend.log.1 has some stuff, but it's old

[19:08:42]

webvictim:

when did you last restart myth?

[19:08:50]

kambei:

Last night.

[19:09:00]

webvictim:

how old is the stuff in the log?

[19:09:05]

dustybin:

|Torg|: how would fluxbox run on 733mhz?

[19:09:16]

kambei:

webvictim: The .1 log has stuff from 1AM this morning

[19:09:33]

kambei:

So about 14 hours ago.

[19:09:36]

webvictim:

ah, ok, so it's not that far back.

[19:09:39]

webvictim:

hmm.

[19:09:43]

kambei:

No.

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kambei:

But the other log is totally empty

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|Torg|:

dustybin: im not sure, I never ran X on those boxes, I used to say make my linux box run like windows if I did

[19:10:00]

dustybin:

aye ok

[19:10:08]

dustybin:

im not going to install x onto it anyway, just wondered

[19:10:28]

kambei:

webvictim: Here is the deal. I transitioned to a new backend yesterday, but this probably was occurring on that backend as well.

[19:10:38]

|Torg|:

I used a 486/66 for a firewall for the longest time, and would play mp3s on it occasionally

[19:11:04]

kambei:

webvictim: And it seemed to occur possible after I set up a second remote frontend.

[19:11:09]

kambei:

I might be wrong about that.

[19:12:03]

cesman:

dustybin: fluxbox would run great!

[19:12:11]

webvictim:

i'm afraid i haven't got much idea what that could be, then.

[19:12:20]

dustybin:

cesman: interesting

[19:12:26]

kambei:

webvictim: Yeah, nor I.

[19:13:05]

webvictim:

i had a problem where i couldn't schedule recordings, but that was when the firmware for my TV card had failed to load properly.

[19:13:11]

webvictim:

once i sorted that out, it was fine.

[19:13:44]

kambei:

webvictim: As I mentioned, the whole recording schedule seems to be gone as well.

[19:13:58]

webvictim:

it sounds like a database issue.

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cesman:

dustybin: I choose to use fluxbox w/ KnoppMyth because it is a lean and mean Window Manager!

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kambei:

webvictim: I found some errors ending in "called with unconnected socket"

[19:27:07]

clever:

writestringlist?

[19:27:21]

kambei:

Yes sir

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clever:

i know of the error but not what every posible cause is

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Ace2016:

Hi all

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clever:

Hi one!

[19:31:07]

Ace2016:

whats the best way to send a parcel in the uk? one you want to be delivered safely?

[19:31:21]

iamlindoro___:

TOPICTROUT!

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iamlindoro___:

!trout Ace2016 topic

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** MythLogBot slaps Ace2016 with a topic trout on behalf of iamlindoro___... **

[19:31:34]

cesman:

Ace2016: #ukpostalservice

[19:31:46]

Ace2016:

empty

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Ace2016:

well i was just asking, it was quiet in here

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iamlindoro___:

oh sweet jesus he actually tried it

[19:32:09]

iamlindoro___:

How would you know? You entered ten seconds before asking

[19:32:18]

** stoneymonster chokes on pb&j **

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Ace2016:

i have nother nick in here :D

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iamlindoro___:

Then you would see the fairly consistent conversation that's been going on all morning

[19:33:16]

iamlindoro___:

And quiet is no excuse for retarded OT questions

[19:33:26]

Ace2016:

:(

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iamlindoro___:

ask your mom to tak you to the post office for christ's sake

[19:33:33]

cesman:

LOL!

[19:33:37]

iamlindoro___:

and ask her to advance you your allowance

[19:33:47]

cesman:

I cannot believe he tried it...

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Ace2016:

:P

[19:34:05]

clever:

i would have tryed the chan just out of bordem:P

[19:34:28]

|Torg|:

I would have tired it just to see ho wmany tired it :P

[19:34:53]

clever:

lol

[19:35:27]

cesman:

well, I've gotten my good laugh for the day

[19:35:31]

cesman:

thanks Ace2016!

[19:35:37]

Ace2016:

np

[19:35:40]

Ace2016:

i do what i can

[19:37:04]

Ace2016:

well actually i was wondering if there was anyting better than royal mail for sending stuff, the post office was the obvious choice, i went to their website

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BULLE:

Ace2016: DHL ? UPS ?

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|Torg|:

carrier pigeon?

[19:37:52]

Ace2016:

carrier pigeon brings it back

[19:38:04]

BULLE:

|Torg|: guess you might have to use LOTS of them if you want to send something big

[19:38:10]

iamlindoro___:

Forest Ent

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Ace2016:

isn't that from a book

[19:39:08]

iamlindoro___:

Wouldn't *you* like to know

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Ace2016:

not really

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iamlindoro___:

And there we have the heart of our literacy problem

[19:40:04]

clever:

i just finished reading little brother

[19:40:07]

clever:

2 solid days of reading

[19:41:07]

clever:

http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=254

[19:41:59]

kambei:

clever: Any idea how to track down that writestringlist error?

[19:42:13]

clever:

its probly loosing the connection to something

[19:42:15]

clever:

try -v network

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clever:

to get more details

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kambei:

clever: Will do.

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yianni:

Hello, I am facing a slighly annoying problem with my mythtv backend/frontend on opensuse 10.3.

[19:44:21]

Ace2016:

what, its something i remember from some book, not really necessary for day to day tasks

[19:44:54]

yianni:

The database is slow to start so the mythtv session always shows the configuration screen.

[19:45:19]

yianni:

Does anyone know how to slow it down so that the backend has the time to start?

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Ace2016:

does it run on startup?

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yianni:

Yes, the session type is set to mythtv, not kde or gnome, with autologin.

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clever:

with /etc/init.d/something or /etc/rc.local

[19:46:07]

clever:

ahh

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yianni:

will "sleep x" work?

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clever:

gdm/kde/xdm?

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Ace2016:

sleep 10 && echo hell, replace echo hello with the startup command

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Ace2016:

hello*

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clever:

sleep would work as a hack, but starting gdm/kdm/xdm AFTER mysql will also help greatly

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clever:

with a simple rename in one of the rc.d folders

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yianni:

Thanks, I will try it.

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Ace2016:

try bum

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Ace2016:

boot up manager* (just incase someone got the wrong idea)

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cesman:

yianni: there is an article on the wiki on optimizing MythTV

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cesman:

yianni: perhaps you should take a look if MySQL is slow to start

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cesman:

yianni: you can also have MySQL start sooner and the backend later in your startup

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cesman:

yianni: sorry cannot tell you how as I don't use SUSE

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cesman:

yianni: but those are the steps I'd take...

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cesman:

later folks

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Ace2016:

or just install mythbuntu and forget suse

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Ace2016:

or mythdora if you love rpms

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Ace2016:

or maybe, netinstall debian sid on basics, install X and mythtv

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Lexridge:

my mythbackend is setting my audio sampling rate on my card to 32k, and I need it to be 48k. Where can I change this?

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yianni:

in the card settings, in mythsetup

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stoneymonster:

recording profiles

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Lexridge:

ah, recording profiles.....lemme look there..

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yianni:

cesman, thank you for your answer before, I was away from the pc.

[20:29:24]

Lexridge:

humm, all my recording profiles are set to 48k, yet when I start mythbackend, the card reverts to 32k.

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Gumby:

anyone know why mythweb is showing more like a WAP page than anything? I've done nothing to change it, all of a sudden since yesterday all I see is "Mythtv" at the top with "Listings, Upcoming Recordings", "Recorded Programs", and "backend Status", all stacked on top of eachother and then the search input box with "Search" below it

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Lexridge:

nv....it seems to be working....automagically now. Thanks for the tips.

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Lexridge:

nv=nm

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xris:

Gumby: read the FAQ in the readme about resetting the template

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Gumby:

xris: ok thank you

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Gumby:

Error at /var/www/html/ultimate/mythweb/modules/settings/handler.php, line 61:

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Gumby:

main(modules/settings/tmpl/wap/header.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory

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Gumby:

hrm

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Gumby:

this happened because I browsed mythweb from a wap browser?

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xris:

there's a bug somewhere that causes mythweb to think you used a mobile browser. kormoc and I haven't had time to track it down yet.

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Gumby:

I did use a WAP browser, but Im not now

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Gumby:

would it be helpful for me to send you log files at all?

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Gumby:

hrm, nm. I dont have logging enabled for that virtual server

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Gumby:

is there somewhere I can manually edit? I get that Error I showed when going to http://myurl.com/settings?RESET_THEME=yes

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Gumby:

line 61 = require_once tmpl_dir.'header.php';

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Gumby:

ah, found it. stores the info in the database :)

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gbee:

the Nova-S cards have been relisted if anyone is interested – http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 230267308088

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Gumby:

gbee: no longer interested in FTA or did you upgrade?

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gbee:

not my cards :)

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gbee:

just some guy who had a lot of them (at least 70) and is selling them cheap

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|Torg|:

he wont ship to the US thogh

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gbee:

bought two before his last auction ended on Sunday but a couple people who wanted them missed the deadline

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gbee:

already promised one of mine to stuarta and at the price I'm tempted to get a couple more – even though I can't really justify it ;)

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dustybin:

gbee: are they s2?

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gbee:

no, the old Nova-S

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dustybin:

freesat is going s2 soon

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gbee:

yeah

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dustybin:

so that means those cards will be defunkt

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gbee:

true, but they are still cheap and there are still no proper S2 drivers or support in linux

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gbee:

I'm willing to gamble that they won't go S2 before next year

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gbee:

and I seriously doubt all transponders will go S2, at least initially it will just be the HD ones

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gbee:

it's not really up to freesat, but the broadcasters – the FTA broadcasters who pay for a Freesat listing but still want to appear on old Sky boxes etc won't be switching to S2

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dustybin:

ok

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EvilGuru_:

Is Freesat really worth it? Wont the would be DVB-T2 by the time DVB-S2 catches on

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EvilGuru_:

*worls

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EvilGuru_:

**world, I can't type tonight

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gbee:

Freeview will never carry more than 4/5 HD channels and the current number of SD channels, Freesat has the capacity for far more

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EvilGuru_:

Bandwidth issue?

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gbee:

not that it means more quality, but there may be some – e.g. HD film channels

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gbee:

EvilGuru_: yeah, the Terrestrial frequencies are already crowded and following the Analogue switch off things will get worse as Ofcom want to use the freed spectrum for something other than TV

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gbee:

(muppets)

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EvilGuru_:

I have enough complaints with some of the freeview channels as it is quality wise

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gbee:

yeah, but unfortunately all those who think likewise are in the minority, the general populace don't notice it according to OfCom

[21:44:13]

gbee:

they will once they've all got HD tvs where some freeview SD channels look terrible, but by then Ofcom will have pocketed the money from the sell-off of public infrastructure and they'll be on a tropical beach somewhere

[21:45:14]

gbee:

Ofcom execs on the beach, not the public ;)

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EvilGuru_:

The usual

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webvictim:

i thought the whole idea of switching off analogue was to free up space for freeview :/

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webvictim:

if all they've done is just condense what there is, say "oh you can have 25 more channels, five of which are worth watching" and then sod off, that's rubbish.

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gbee:

so did everyone else, including broadcasters initially but once they sold those 3G licenses for billions a few years back the blood was in the water and it was just a matter of time

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Lynet:

So what's the freed spectrum going to be used for then? LTE?

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gbee:

Lynet: whatever the highest bidder wants

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webvictim:

so lame

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jduggan:

wimax

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gbee:

as long as they can prove that it won't interfer

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jduggan:

;p

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webvictim:

they make all these noises about it being "for the better" and "for futureproofing"

[21:52:12]

webvictim:

but they're serving nobody but themselves :<

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directhex:

dvb-h

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webvictim:

they've just made all the old dears who've never known anything but analogue say "ooh look, more channels"

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EvilGuru_:

Virgin 1 are getting sneaky. They show their stations logo even in the adverts

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directhex:

do they know how widescreen works yet?

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jduggan:

no

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jduggan:

im half tempted to remove it from my channel list, i dont think ive ever watched it

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npmccallum_:

Is a mythtv backend able to share my music collection via UPnP?

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gbee:

directhex: they switched a couple of weeks back to widescreen, but only on new content/adverts

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directhex:

is old content still letterboxed pillarboxed 4:3 instead of real 4:3?

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webvictim:

EvilGuru_: does your commflagging work properly, then? :P

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gbee:

don't remember

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webvictim:

(other than on virgin 1)

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EvilGuru_:

webvictim: Indeed

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webvictim:

presumably you changed a fair amount of things?

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webvictim:

i've not been having much joy with it

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EvilGuru_:

None at all

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webvictim:

that's odd, then.

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EvilGuru_:

All 5 channels work well, Virgin for certain programmes (logo wise)

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webvictim:

maybe i'm just recording the wrong channel

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webvictim:

Dave seems to fail

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EvilGuru_:

More4 doesn't work, however

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webvictim:

maybe i just need to mess around with my auto-skip settings

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gbee:

the current methods were all based on US broadcasts and apparently work well for them, no-one has ever worked on methods for the UK

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webvictim:

yeah, that's what i was reading

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webvictim:

a couple of people seem to have written programs that can do UK stuff... but they're for windows

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webvictim:

utter fail

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EvilGuru_:

Well, a worthwhile way would be the title screens

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EvilGuru_:

they appear before and after most ads

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webvictim:

the broadcasters have got sneakier in the UK

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webvictim:

they don't seem to leave -any- blank frames at all

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webvictim:

whereas they always used to

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npmccallum_:

Is a mythtv backend able to share my music collection via UPnP?

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|Torg|:

npmccallum_: is it capable yes, is it able depends on how you set it up

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npmccallum_:

|Torg|: so I'm basically trying to figure out how to set it up, there is no documentation

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npmccallum_:

I'd also like for it to host non-recording videos

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|Torg|:

put music in the place mythtmusic uses it, update your collection, run mythbackend, use upnp to find them

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|Torg|:

it does that as well, however not all upnp devices work

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npmccallum_:

yeah, the PS3 is what I'm using

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iamlindoro:

npmccallum_: Just FYI, you can *not* share them to mythfrontends via uPnP, just by software and hardware uPnP clients. MythTV is a uPnP server, but not a client.

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npmccallum_:

yes, that I know

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npmccallum_:

|Torg|: is there a way to update the collection outside of the mythfrontend?

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npmccallum_:

I'd like to create a "drop" share using SMB

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|Torg|:

I dont think so, but that is how I do it

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npmccallum_:

anything that shows up in that folder should be imported

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directhex:

mythweb will scan folders if asked

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iamlindoro:

"Thanks guys, I appreciate you answering my questions."

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iamlindoro:

There, got that for him

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** webvictim disapproves of ungrateful people. :P **

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Lexridge:

I now have my analog tuner working under mythtv, now, how do I make my dvb (digital) tuner work using mythtv?

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Lexridge:

same card, two tuners

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phunyguy:

<iamlindoro> "Thanks guys, I appreciate you answering my questions."

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phunyguy:

<iamlindoro> There, got that for him

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phunyguy:

hmmm.

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phunyguy:

<iamlindoro> Hey, how about you suck my balls, newbie

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phunyguy:

how can we be grateful to that?

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phunyguy:

i love how any time you enter a new chat room you are considered a newbie...

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phunyguy:

yet you may have many years of experience, just not with a specific app.

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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GreyFoxx:

phun: Newbie doesn't mean new to computers

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GreyFoxx:

It's new to this app or aspect/technology

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phunyguy:

i came in here last night asking some simple questions and kept getting documents thrown at me.

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GreyFoxx:

like I've been driving a car for 17 years but I'm a newbie at mechanics

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phunyguy:

well i found the answer myself which was nowhere in the docs.

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phunyguy:

but was called many names in the process.

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black_Nightmare_:

having just a bit arguement with someone so I thought I might try ask here: do you need that much cpu to process most audios these days? (if with a good installed dts/etc sound card that is anyhow)

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GreyFoxx:

phun: In general the proper response is to show someone where to find the answers, not to just hand it to them

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phunyguy:

well they didnt listen to the questions.

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iamlindoro_:

I might note that I told him to suck my balls AFTER he messaged me about what a dick I was

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phunyguy:

well.

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phunyguy:

were you being a dick?

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phunyguy:

if so, shut the hell up. dick.

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iamlindoro_:

*eyeroll*

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phunyguy:

right back atcha

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iamlindoro_:

yes dear

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phunyguy:

<3

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GreyFoxx:

Enough childish behaviour, I dont care whoe "started it"

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black_Nightmare_:

greyfoxx agreed :/

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phunyguy:

i agree as well.

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phunyguy:

lets start over.

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GreyFoxx:

black: do you mean CPU just for playback of mp3's and such ?

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phunyguy:

Hi, my name is phunyguy.

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GreyFoxx:

Or some sort of audio manipulation software ?

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black_Nightmare_:

greyfoxx.. just playback yeah (of about anything you could think of today, not just old mp3's that is heh)

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phunyguy:

i gotta run to the store.

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phunyguy:

bbl.

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** phunyguy is away: at the sto' **

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GreyFoxx:

Well, my p166 happily played all audio I threw at it :)

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GreyFoxx:

so audio playback with no manipulation is pretty insignificant :)

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black_Nightmare_:

greyfoxx thanks

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black_Nightmare_:

I win :p (idiot trying to argue with me don't seem to get the idea that audios aren't even as heavy as movies at all .. guess its ignore time)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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black_Nightmare_:

greyfoxx I do have to wonder about one silly thing myself tho...

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black_Nightmare_:

is there even an useable market for mpeg4 hardware decoding cards or these days of decidated decoders are rather well over?

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gbee:

there'd be a bigger market if linux drivers existed for them

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GreyFoxx:

heh yeah

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black_Nightmare_:

gbee as I recall the various older mpeg2 ones (creative made them back then too..aside to video cards, not surprisingly) are usually supported .. can't see why that might suddenly change

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