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greenmoss:

anyone using pchdtv5500 and myth 0.21?

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greenmoss:

I get good video, but no audio

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greenmoss:

not sure how to debug it

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greenmoss:

quiet in here

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asmussen:

It goes in cycles.

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webvictim:

i almost thought this was another channel and was about to say "oh it's much more active during the day when everyone is slacking at work

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webvictim:

"

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webvictim:

but it's the wrong network :P

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greenmoss:

so... pchdtv5500?

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stoneymonster:

mythfronted --verbose=playback

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stoneymonster:

see what it says when you try to play it

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greenmoss:

hmm... ok, thanks

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stoneymonster:

mythfrontend rather

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hadees:

any recommendations on ripping dvds to iso files for mythtv?

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hadees:

i would like to cut out some of the unneeded size

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hadees:

but want to keep the movie at the best quality

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hti_pro:

anyone have any idea why myth would think that today is janurary 1 2000 in the program guide. And actually show program data

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greenmoss:

hti_pro: what's your system date?

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hti_pro:

oh s@$# never mind, I have no guide data

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hti_pro:

system date is right

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hti_pro:

i think its cuz my pg subscription is up

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Nostahl:

hey guys i jsut ran into a realy funny video

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Nostahl:

www.thewebsiteisdown.com/salesguy.html

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Nostahl:

hey guys

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Nostahl:

after i switched to nvidia graphics card some movies are playing weird

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Nostahl:

there tall and skinny

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Nostahl:

instead of fullscreen

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Nostahl:

some are full screen

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Nostahl:

etc

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Nostahl:

there all suppose to use internal player

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Nostahl:

i ahvnt specifyed special commands for any of hte movies

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orificium:

So... Anyone sucessfully patch Battlefield 2 in wine?

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orificium:

er, wrong channel

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hti_pro:

im havin all kinds of problems today!! any idea why my recording schedules don't get saved? I set it all up, go to preview schedule changes and nothing, I save changes and go back to that program and it is set to not record.

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cesman:

hti_pro: check your logs

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greenmoss:

so, after running with -v important, I saw "(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave"

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greenmoss:

I tried all the different audio output options, and all failed

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greenmoss:

audio output by other programs works fine

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hti_pro:

cesman: logs have nothing in them except loading the theme, that was the backend log, the frontend log had nothing

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hti_pro:

shouldn't I get an error if my dB is corrupt

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Nostahl:

hey hti_pro you gotta watch www.thewebsiteisdown.com

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Dagmar:

well, its easy enough to tell it to repair the db

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greenmoss:

NVP: Disabling audio, reason is: snd_pcm_open(default): Device or resource busy

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greenmoss:

wtf?

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hti_pro:

Nostahl: I would love to but my flash player plugin is hosed

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Nostahl:

darn

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Nostahl:

its prob the funnyest thing i've seen in long time

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hti_pro:

Dagmar: how do i do that, just restart mysql

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hti_pro:

or is there a script that actually checks the myth specific stuff

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Dagmar:

green: are you using artsd?

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greenmoss:

Dagmar: no, also

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greenmoss:

s/also/alsa/

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hti_pro:

Nostahl: I'll book mark it

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Nostahl:

k

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Dagmar:

Okay, so have you tried the speaker-test util to be sure ALSA isn't hosed?

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greenmoss:

yeah, definitely getting sound elsewhere

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greenmoss:

though something keeps messing with my alsamixer settings

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Dagmar:

how so?

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Nostahl:

i got a few things i want to work out with my sound too

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greenmoss:

the master/pcm/front keep getting reduced

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greenmoss:

but the log output seems to indicate that myth is not able to output sound *at all*

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hti_pro:

wow, I just used the Install Missing Plugins... button in firefox to install adobe flash player and it actually worked for the first time evre

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greenmoss:

tried again; that time alsamixer setting were left alone... but still broken sound from myth, still the same error

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greenmoss:

ok, my bad... wasn't using alsa...was using pulseaudio

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Nostahl:

i gotta figure out why when i hit mute it only mutes front speakers

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Nostahl:

makes it hard when i get a phone call lol

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greenmoss:

so it looks like my myth doesn't have pulseaudio support?

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greenmoss:

0.21

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JohnMahowald:

Apparently not. I don't see myth in volume control and have to kill other sound programs first.

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greenmoss:

well, that's kind of goofy of the ubuntu guys... ya figure if they're going to push pulseaudio, they should ensure their apps support it

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JohnMahowald:

Same thing on Fedora.

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greenmoss:

gonna try this: http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/200 . . . n-hardy.html

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squish102:

good to know it is probably not a good thing to upgrade

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squish102:

ive been wanting to hit that upgrade button

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hti_pro:

what version of ubuntu are you running

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greenmoss:

I'm on gutsy

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greenmoss:

*hopes this fix works*

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hti_pro:

oh, I use Hardy with pulse audio and myth and it seems to work

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greenmoss:

oh, yeah... I'm on hardy, not gutsy

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greenmoss:

don't know why I alwasy confuse them

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hti_pro:

greenmoss: do you run firefox on your hardy box

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greenmoss:

hti_pro: it's installed, yes

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hti_pro:

is it version 2 or 3

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hti_pro:

i am tryin to upgrade, buy all i have in the repos is version 2

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greenmoss:

3

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hti_pro:

hmm my sources.list must be goobered

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greenmoss:

mine shows up as firefox-3.0

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greenmoss:

the package that is

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greenmoss:

no luck; after the change, still no sound

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greenmoss:

definitely some kind of pulseaudio weirdness... if I disable it and output audio directly to /dev/dsp everything's hunky-dorey

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asmussen:

The first step to troubleshooting mythtv audio problems should be 'Disable pulseaudio'... lol

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JohnMahowald:

Naw, pulseaudio is useful

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asmussen:

Maybe for some things, but it's a pain in the ass for a lot of mythtv users.

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JohnMahowald:

It tells me which applications I have to close before frontend audio works again

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asmussen:

Having pulseaudio on my Fedora box enabled causes audio to not work right in mythfrontend even if I don't have anything else running.

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greenmoss:

guess I'll just remove it for now... not worth the trouble

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JohnMahowald:

Haven't tested pulse on Fedora 9 with myth yet

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asmussen:

I had the same problem on 8 before I upgraded.

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simcop2387:

i just get dmix setup properly in alsa so that i don't care whats running

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JohnMahowald:

I haven't had to touch alsa config in a long time

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simcop2387:

i've only had to do it to make oss use dmix properly, but i understand thats been fixed by default in the latest stuff too so i shouldn't have to do that anymore, otherwise its just to play with throwing some ladspa plugins in there or creating mixers for mythtv to use specifically for its audio

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Nostahl:

how do i edit movie data

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Nostahl:

ie runtime

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Nostahl:

and stuff like that

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JohnMahowald:

It's all in the databse

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JohnMahowald:

To what purpose?

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Nostahl:

was just lookin

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Nostahl:

and i noticed it didnt tell me what any of the runtimes were

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Nostahl:

thought it should auto append that?

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JohnMahowald:

To what, the recorded programs listings?

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Nostahl:

just my movies i've ripped

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JohnMahowald:

Append to where?

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JohnMahowald:

What is "it" in "it didnt tell me"?

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Nostahl:

in video's section

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JohnMahowald:

So, you want the frontend to show you the length of your recorded things.

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Nostahl:

aye

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Nostahl:

not recorded

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Nostahl:

my movie library

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JohnMahowald:

That I don't know.

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JohnMahowald:

I watch programs and when I seek in them the OSD indicates how long it is.

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Nostahl:

hrm

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Nostahl:

what happened to my sound...

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Nostahl:

how do i disable screensaver or whatever turns my monitors/tv off after a while

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Nostahl:

its anoying

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clever:

Nostahl: i do it in the gnome screensaver setup

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clever:

which also links into the power setup applet

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clever:

Nostahl: gnome-screensaver-preferences and gnome-power-preferences

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Nostahl:

im using xfce

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clever:

not shure how to do it properly there

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clever:

but you allways have the option of turning dpms off with xset

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clever:

youll just have to do it every time you start X

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clever:

i dont use that to turn dpms off much though, i mainly use it to force the screen off

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GreyFoxx:

Nost: I just use xset s off and xset -dpms in my .xinitrc just before xfce is started

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Nostahl:

k

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clever:

that sounds like it will work perfectly:)

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Nostahl:

you'd think that these myth distro's would auto have that set lol

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clever:

GreyFoxx: you got any work done on udpnotify?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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clever:

GreyFoxx: commited?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope

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clever:

GreyFoxx: working?

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GreyFoxx:

problem getting QUdpSocket to send the readReady() signal to the right thread

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clever:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

haven;t had a chance to look at it today

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GreyFoxx:

so it binding the port, but we are never being told the data is there to read

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GreyFoxx:

just need a few moments to sit down and go over the QT docs

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clever:

i can see where that would be a problem

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clever:

i only found out that qt has signals/slots last week:P

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clever:

looks very flexible

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clever:

GreyFoxx: are you using 'new QUdpSocket(this)' ?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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clever:

my next idea was to try 'new QUdpSocket(QThread::currentThread())'

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clever:

but i cant even get the hacked up fix to compile atm

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GreyFoxx:

I'm hoping to have a couple hours to sit down and look azt it in the morning before my wife goes out and I'm on kid watching duty :)

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clever:

i had nearly 2 solid weeks this month with little inet access

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clever:

so i was reading the entire qt4 doc

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dustybin:

clever: do you have a lot of stuff going on in your mind all the time

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clever:

dustybin: yes

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dustybin:

snap :P

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clever:

what?:P

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dustybin:

snap means, snap! im the same

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clever:

and?

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dustybin:

dunno! lol

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clever:

;p

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dustybin:

im looking to buy a old P3 desktop, i want to install LFS onto it and use it as a console only machine

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iamlindoro:

You guys should totally date

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clever:

lol

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dustybin:

:o

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clever:

got udpnotify compiling now, and im at the same problem as GreyFoxx

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boingolov:

say for instance I just wanted to use myth as a backend upnp server for its transcoding properties. in other words, I don't care about tv listings, setting up an input device, etc. all I want is to be able to take some movies I have on my hard drive and be able to stream them to my ps3

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boingolov:

so far I have myth compiled and installed, but getting stuck on the config

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clever:

ive heard that the master backend wont work right without a capture card setup

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clever:

which may have been my problem with i tryed to turn a cardless slave into the master(to shift the cpu load to another box)

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clever:

ive also heard you can somehow setup a fake capture card to trick it into working

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boingolov:

hrm

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boingolov:

I think rather than go to that trouble I might look for another option that will allow transcoding

[05:18:12]

boingolov:

otoh, I'm not aware of any, heh

[05:29:15]

JohnMahowald:

OK weird, no text on the frontend's buttons

[05:30:28]

boingolov:

where does myth store its config file? this was compiled from source, using /usr/local/ prefix

[05:30:33]

fryfrog:

i didn't realize that myth would transcode for the ps3, i just throught it would only send what it has?

[05:30:52]

fryfrog:

boingolov: in the db, it uses a "mysql.txt" in various places to find the db

[05:31:10]

boingolov:

fryfrog, in relatively recent versions, it does

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boingolov:

okay, so it's in mysql then

[05:31:32]

fryfrog:

boingolov: ah, neat and yes

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boingolov:

seems a bit odd to me to store config in db

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boingolov:

is there a command line based config tool?

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boingolov:

having trouble with some of the X stuff, running it remotely and it doesn't seem to be behaving

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clever:

ssh -X something@mythbox

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clever:

mythtv-setup

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boingolov:

clever, that's exactly what's giving me issues

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clever:

i dont use that anymore

[05:33:52]

boingolov:

can't navigate very well

[05:33:55]

clever:

it lags way too much

[05:34:15]

clever:

i disable the '-nolisten tcp' on my local Xserver

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boingolov:

I'm just trying to configure the thing, i don't care if it lags

[05:34:19]

clever:

then on the local one

[05:34:23]

clever:

xhost +mythbox

[05:34:26]

clever:

ssh mythbox

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clever:

export DISPLAY=localbox:0

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boingolov:

the lag is not the issue

[05:34:35]

clever:

mythtv-setup

[05:34:54]

clever:

that method will use raw unencrypted x11 over tcp

[05:35:01]

boingolov:

the X server on leopard is a bit of a pita in general

[05:35:05]

boingolov:

clever, I know

[05:35:08]

boingolov:

but that is not my problem

[05:35:10]

clever:

less secure(any1 on the lan) can see you typing

[05:35:29]

clever:

it performs so well i bearly even know its remote

[05:35:40]

fryfrog:

boingolov: you could use x11vnc and a vnc viewer

[05:35:47]

clever:

that too

[05:35:49]

boingolov:

I have fired up a centos parallels image and ran that X remotely as well, and having other issues in that the resolution is apparently not high enough

[05:36:02]

clever:

but the 'vncserver' script crashes(twm not installed by default)

[05:36:17]

clever:

x0vncserver needs a server on the remote vid card and lags and sucks cpu

[05:36:31]

clever:

and Xvnc4 is a bit complex to setup

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fryfrog:

i use x11vnc instead, it attaches to the local X and behaves more like VNC for windows

[05:36:46]

clever:

fryfrog: thats like x0vncserver

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clever:

it polls the vnc server often in a inf loop

[05:36:56]

fryfrog:

you just point it at the login manager if you use it, or the session file if you don't and it goes up

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clever:

loads of cpu usage:P

[05:37:01]

boingolov:

I hate to say it, but I have to admit that m$ got rdp right

[05:37:19]

boingolov:

of course, if memory serves citrix has a bit to do with that

[05:37:23]

clever:

ive got Xvnc4 setup perfectly on a few systems

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fryfrog:

i'm using rdp now, it works nicely

[05:37:29]

clever:

i login and get a xdm login screen

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fryfrog:

the mac client can't pick custom resolutions, but i'll live :)

[05:38:09]

boingolov:

what do you mean by custom?

[05:38:30]

boingolov:

as in not 1024x768, 800x600 etc?

[05:40:08]

boingolov:

I need to go ahead and install the tiger x server

[05:40:55]

boingolov:

it wasn't perfect, but seemed to have less issues than the leopard one

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boingolov:

okay, let me try a different tack

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boingolov:

when I attempt to start mythbackend, I get: No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

[05:46:58]

boingolov:

any thoughts?

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boingolov:

I believe I have set this, however clumsily, with the mythtv-setup

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dustybin:

boingolov: go back to mythsetup and make sure you put in the same IP twice in the menu

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boingolov:

I have triple checked this

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dustybin:

are you using local ip?

[05:48:30]

boingolov:

well, local in that this is the external ip of the box

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boingolov:

i.e., not 127.0.0.1

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dustybin:

ok

[05:48:57]

dustybin:

that should be ok

[05:49:53]

dustybin:

boingolov: you need to speak to our in-house mythtv expert, 'clever'

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clever:

lol

[05:51:08]

boingolov:

we've met ;)

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clever:

i have the ip 192.168.1.60 in both fields(master ip and backend ip) when running mythtv-setup on my master

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boingolov:

for me it's 192.168.0.102

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boingolov:

external as in not local to the box, but not external in that it's a real routable IP

[05:54:21]

boingolov:

well, it is local to the box, but not exclusively local

[05:54:39]

boingolov:

on the local net

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boingolov:

I have security pin set at 0000

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clever:

sounds normal

[05:55:55]

clever:

running mythtv-setup as the same username as mythbackend?

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boingolov:

sudo mythtv-setup

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dustybin:

you need to make sure its a proper local address for it to bind to

[05:56:13]

boingolov:

running mythbackend as root

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boingolov:

dustybin, 192.168.0.102 belongs to a local nic

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dustybin:

ok

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clever:

when you use sudo like that

[05:56:36]

clever:

you done set HOME

[05:56:46]

clever:

so it may wind up using /home/boingolov/.mythtv/

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clever:

done==dont

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clever:

use either 'sudo -i' or 'sudo -H mythtv-setup'

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boingolov:

okay, let me go through the trouble of setting the xauth dealy w/ root user and manualy setting display

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clever:

no need to xauth

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boingolov:

yes there is

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boingolov:

if you su after ssh -X , you need to xuath add

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clever:

root can read the normal xauth file

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clever:

ah

[05:57:42]

clever:

not exactly

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boingolov:

xauth list

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boingolov:

anyway, i've done this before ;)

[05:58:06]

clever:

theres an env var

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clever:

which says where the xauth file is

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clever:

you can trick root into using your normal xauth file

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clever:

export XAUTHORITY=/home/boingolov/.Xauthority

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clever:

after you become root

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clever:

it only works for root though, all other users lack read to that file

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boingolov:

another way to do that is to echo $DISPLAY, note your display, then do xauth list , copy the line associated with your display, then su, xauth add <paste> , then export DISPLAY

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clever:

i made a script to fully automate that

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boingolov:

more steps, but that's my SOP

[06:00:19]

clever:

so mythtv could access the server belonging to clever

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clever:

i just run 'copyauth'

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clever:

sudo rm /tmp/auth;xauth extract /tmp/auth :0 &&sudo chown mythtv /tmp/auth && sudo -u mythtv xauth -f /home/mythtv/.Xauthority merge /tmp/auth && sudo rm /tmp/auth

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clever:

it copys the record for :0 to /tmp/auth

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clever:

then gives mythtv ownership and makes it import the record

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boingolov:

man, leopard's x server is annoying

[06:02:59]

clever:

ive used a mac once

[06:03:04]

boingolov:

heh

[06:03:07]

clever:

it took me 30mins and a manual to find the damn terminal

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boingolov:

haha

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clever:

once i was there ssh worked fine and i got into my pc at home

[06:03:24]

clever:

but ssh -X didnt work

[06:03:32]

clever:

so i just used a java based irc applet

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boingolov:

you needed to do ssy -Y on versions before leopard typically

[06:03:55]

boingolov:

ssh -X and ssh -Y differed slightly in terms of permissions

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clever:

it was a laptop of some kind

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clever:

very roundish

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boingolov:

ibook?

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clever:

no idea

[06:04:18]

clever:

but if i saw an image i could tell

[06:04:19]

boingolov:

probably an ibook, if it was roundish

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clever:

the cd tray lock was also broken, so it was held shut with velcro

[06:04:44]

boingolov:

it's amazing to me how quickly I've become almost a fanboi

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boingolov:

haha

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boingolov:

I don't own an iphone tho

[06:05:01]

boingolov:

I draw the line there

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clever:

lol

[06:05:06]

boingolov:

but... okay, I have an ipod touch

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clever:

ive got linux on my treo 650 cell/pda:P

[06:05:19]

boingolov:

haha, awesome

[06:05:22]

boingolov:

actually I ahve a treo 650

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boingolov:

not using it

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clever:

though it cant use the bluetooth or cell modules

[06:05:29]

clever:

and ive never tryed the usb yet

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clever:

so its prettymuch locked up inside itself

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boingolov:

I have my touch unlocked, so it's basically running darwin

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clever:

but it had a few games

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boingolov:

good call btw

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boingolov:

had to do the centos vm to actually configure using the stupid X configrator dealy

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boingolov:

but it needed to be root

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boingolov:

and it is now working

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boingolov:

there really needs to be a curses config

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boingolov:

maybe that's a project for someone

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boingolov:

maybe I should do it, heh

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fryfrog:

i concur, you are dos it!

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asmussen:

I second that motion.

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boingolov:

maybe I should keep my mouth shut

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mchou:

boingolov: wow. You are using myth as a glorified transcoder?

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mchou:

boingolov: if so, that's a severe overkill

[06:29:16]

boingolov:

mchou, no kidding

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mchou:

proverbial elephant gun to kill gnat comes to mind

[06:29:27]

boingolov:

do you have a better suggestion for my particular needs?

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mchou:

what needs are those precisely?

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fryfrog:

aren't there some windows / mac -> ps3 doodad software?

[06:30:04]

boingolov:

I need something that can stream my various and assorted video files to my ps3

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fryfrog:

i assume it needs to transcode unreadable codecs to soething else?

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fryfrog:

or is the ps3 got a lot of support?

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boingolov:

fryfrog, not that I am aware of. as far as windows... I dont' do windows

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boingolov:

the ps3 is odd apparently

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mchou:

if you run linux then there is a uPnP server written in python whose name escapes me atm

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boingolov:

it does upnp, but only supports a small subset of codecs. a much smaller subset than it actually supports on burned dvd's apparently

[06:31:18]

boingolov:

mchou, I do run linux

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boingolov:

debian lenny

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mchou:

ahh, coherence it's called

[06:31:45]

mchou:

https://coherence.beebits.net/

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boingolov:

will look into it

[06:31:55]

mchou:

no idea why the use https

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mchou:

they*

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mchou:

but there is one option

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boingolov:

otoh, I do plan on setting up a mythtv setup eventually

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boingolov:

so even if overkill, I am not opposed to getting my feet wet

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mchou:

that's not the only option around

[06:32:44]

boingolov:

I will by hardware

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boingolov:

eventually

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boingolov:

I just have to buy a new car in oct and a new stereo in feb

[06:33:09]

boingolov:

roughly

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tank-man:

boingolov, what codecs can the ps3 read from dvd but not from hdd?

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asmussen:

Anybody know what might be causing errors like the following? NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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phunyguy:

hello!

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asmussen:

Hi

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phunyguy:

ok, quick question, new mythtv user here

[06:40:17]

phunyguy:

btw I love it, local videos run great

[06:40:34]

phunyguy:

I have a DVICO Fusion HDTV 5 GOLD

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phunyguy:

with DishTV hooked to sattelite

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mchou:

ohoh

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phunyguy:

i have been googling this for hours and messing with decoder options, but I can'tget 100% smooth video

[06:41:12]

mchou:

I can see where this is going already :)

[06:41:14]

phunyguy:

err dishtv to sattelite

[06:41:15]

phunyguy:

lol

[06:41:20]

phunyguy:

i meant svideo to sattelite

[06:41:23]

phunyguy:

been a long night

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phunyguy:

oh?

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mchou:

never mind

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phunyguy:

I'm just wondering if I am missing something

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mchou:

spoke too soon (before you mentioned svideo)

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phunyguy:

so far my best output was direct3d

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mchou:

direct3d??wtf?!

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phunyguy:

im not sure if it was ffmpeg or libmpeg2 though

[06:42:28]

phunyguy:

yeah...

[06:42:31]

phunyguy:

go figure

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Chicago:

Are there any users of MythPhone online in here?

[06:42:35]

phunyguy:

i almost didnt even try it

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mchou:

no habla windoze

[06:42:48]

phunyguy:

well thats not the point

[06:42:54]

phunyguy:

the performance is terrible with others

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phunyguy:

1 fram per second

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phunyguy:

frame

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phunyguy:

and i still have no sound – lol.

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mchou:

phunyguy: that's cause you are using windoze :)

[06:43:19]

phunyguy:

no im not.

[06:43:22]

phunyguy:

MythBuntu

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phunyguy:

not sure why the direct3d option worked, i think maybe because i have the packages installed...

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mchou:

Chicago: what's the issue?

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tank-man:

i believe direct3d ispart of microsoft's answer to opengl

[06:44:11]

mchou:

lol

[06:44:11]

phunyguy:

well, yeah maybe

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phunyguy:

but...

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mchou:

'answer'

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phunyguy:

i would think performance would be better with the linux options

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mchou:

that's a euphemism :)

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phunyguy:

im on an Athlon X2 5400B

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tank-man:

what direct3d option?

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phunyguy:

2.8 gig processor

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phunyguy:

nevermind the direct3d

[06:45:02]

phunyguy:

thats not the issue

[06:45:12]

phunyguy:

the issue is poor performance...

[06:45:16]

phunyguy:

no matter what option.

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tank-man:

what is the resolution of the video?

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mchou:

if you are using svideo, unless you are using framegrabber proc is not a consideration

[06:45:34]

phunyguy:

with 100% cpu usage

[06:45:49]

phunyguy:

well...

[06:45:50]

Dagmar:

So stop spewing details which may or may not be important and please addres the questions.

[06:45:54]

mchou:

even 500MHz would work

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Chicago:

mchou: The issue is, I can register to fwd.pulver.com but after I answer a test call to myself, the incoming audio stops after about 300ms or so... I am watching .mythtv/MythPhone/siplog.txt And echo tests to pulver on channel 613 disconnect after a few seconds.

[06:46:10]

phunyguy:

resolution of video.

[06:46:12]

phunyguy:

hmm

[06:46:24]

phunyguy:

well its standard svideo i would imagine..?

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mchou:

Chicago: could be firewall/nat keep alive issue

[06:46:25]

phunyguy:

lol.

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Dagmar:

phunyguy: No, what type of _video file_ are you trying to play?

[06:46:44]

phunyguy:

not a file.

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Chicago:

mchou: Yeah, it could be. I wonder if the clocks on the Linksys might be breaking things.

[06:46:45]

mchou:

phunyguy: what's your svideo capture card?

[06:46:46]

phunyguy:

Live TV

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Dagmar:

*facepalm*

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phunyguy:

dvico fusion 5 Gold

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Dagmar:

Okay, *this* is what I mean by answer the questions and stop spewing data which may or may not be relevant.

[06:47:11]

mchou:

Chicago: try using twinke first to narrow down the problem

[06:47:15]

Dagmar:

There is NO such thing as "Live TV" with Myth.

[06:47:18]

Dagmar:

It's ALL recorded.

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mchou:

phunyguy: lol

[06:47:30]

phunyguy:

ok, that was a detail i did not know.

[06:47:32]

mchou:

phunyguy: that svideo is a framegrabber

[06:47:34]

Dagmar:

What you see under the Live TV menu option *is* a recording, it's just being played back at close to realtime, dude.

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phunyguy:

so thanks for the info.

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Chicago:

mchou: I am curious why the output from .mythtv/MythPhone/siplog.txt seems buffered... rather than continuous...

[06:47:53]

phunyguy:

yeah, that explains the 3–5 second lag

[06:47:53]

mchou:

phunyguy: virtually useless. get a HW based encoder

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Dagmar:

So, go look up Elephant Dream with Google, and get a copy or two of it and drop it into MythVideo to test playback

[06:48:06]

phunyguy:

hmm... did i just waste $100?

[06:48:10]

Dagmar:

Basically, _any known good_

[06:48:15]

Dagmar:

Holy crap you paid $100 for that?

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phunyguy:

the card?

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mchou:

phunyguy: depends what you wanted to do with the Fusion

[06:48:33]

phunyguy:

Well HD OTA

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mchou:

Fusion is good for ATSC and clear QAM

[06:48:42]

Dagmar:

It's an ATSC tuner card then?

[06:48:45]

phunyguy:

along with SVideo for the sattelite

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mchou:

not svideo

[06:49:00]

phunyguy:

so i should grab a seperate encoder for that?

[06:49:15]

Dagmar:

Well, ideally you'd want a PVR-150 for that because it'll just spew MPG.

[06:49:18]

phunyguy:

bah – stupid framegrabbers :P

[06:49:19]

Dagmar:

Framegrabbers are a bitch

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mchou:

phunyguy: if you intend to encode svideo, yeah

[06:49:31]

phunyguy:

did not know that. I have a spare PCI slot...

[06:49:40]

phunyguy:

so PVR-150..

[06:49:40]

Dagmar:

...but I'd say the problem playing back the stuff you're getting as ATSC is likely the same thing many of us are fighting...

[06:49:46]

mchou:

phunyguy: or go full hog and recorde component :)

[06:49:48]

Dagmar:

x264 encoding is a bitch to playback

[06:49:50]

phunyguy:

well i can google a price, but you guys may know what the best deal would be...

[06:49:55]

phunyguy:

HAH

[06:50:02]

phunyguy:

yeah – no HD on the sattelite

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mchou:

Fusion 5 should not have cost you more than $60

[06:50:23]

phunyguy:

even the gold?

[06:50:27]

mchou:

yup

[06:50:30]

Dagmar:

You really need SVN pulls for x264 and ffmpeg to play back h.264 very well

[06:50:32]

phunyguy:

because the light was like $69

[06:50:39]

Dagmar:

...and even then it's dodgy.

[06:50:45]

Dagmar:

1080 is very, very, very, very CPU hungry

[06:50:55]

phunyguy:

well... i think I am OK in the CPU world..

[06:50:55]

mchou:

anyway, maybe with the US$ devaluation.......

[06:51:11]

mchou:

I suppose $100 is not out of questrion :)

[06:51:15]

phunyguy:

yeah – it was avg price for the card that i found, where i could find it anyway

[06:51:20]

mchou:

question*

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Dagmar:

phunyguy: One of the problems is that what we've got for playback doesn't much benefit from dual-core unless you've got the latest versions of those two libs I was talkinga bout

[06:51:39]

phunyguy:

what would the cpu requirements be for 1080?

[06:51:53]

Dagmar:

phunyguy: To us a 4chan-ism... "MOAR MUGAHURTS!"

[06:51:57]

mchou:

pretty soon we are going have to give away our paper money cause it will be worthless.

[06:52:03]

phunyguy:

lol.

[06:52:06]

Dagmar:

Seriously.

[06:52:12]

phunyguy:

i understand.

[06:52:17]

mchou:

burn baby burn!

[06:52:28]

Dagmar:

I've got a X2 4800+ 2.4ghz core, DDR2–800 RAM, and it's still bitchy enough I have to turn off skiploopfilter

[06:52:46]

Dagmar:

Those elephant dream videos are dull as hell, but they make good testing material

[06:52:46]

phunyguy:

I have a 5400...

[06:52:49]

Dagmar:

Either htta and the bunny

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phunyguy:

DDR2–800

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phunyguy:

2 gigs

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phunyguy:

(may not matter – lol)

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Dagmar:

phunyguy: The core speed matters. Unfortunately the PR number doesn't help much except for things tuned very sincerely to the CPU

[06:53:19]

mchou:

Chicago: cant help you out there

[06:53:33]

phunyguy:

ok. the mythtv site said 2.8 should be good

[06:53:37]

phunyguy:

for HD..

[06:53:51]

phunyguy:

think it would still chop?

[06:53:53]

Dagmar:

Maybe

[06:53:58]

Dagmar:

Dpeends on your video output method

[06:54:04]

phunyguy:

HDMI

[06:54:09]

Dagmar:

Should be fine

[06:54:16]

Dagmar:

...unless you're using ATI

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phunyguy:

ARG!

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phunyguy:

:(

[06:54:26]

Dagmar:

*ominous thunderclap

[06:54:31]

phunyguy:

i have a spare nvidia

[06:54:34]

phunyguy:

8600 GTS

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phunyguy:

not using SLI anyway

[06:54:42]

phunyguy:

:P

[06:54:55]

phunyguy:

think that would be better?

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Dagmar:

Try it

[06:55:06]

phunyguy:

ill try both... as a test i guess

[06:55:07]

Dagmar:

..anddefinitely turn on UseEvents in the xorg.conf

[06:55:13]

phunyguy:

k.

[06:55:13]

Dagmar:

Check the driver's readme for full details

[06:55:17]

mchou:

Chicago: meant to say twinkle earlier

[06:55:32]

Dagmar:

ATI, unfortunately, still tends to suck like an (expletive deleted) under Linux.

[06:55:43]

phunyguy:

ok, so PVR-150 seems to be the best bet for the svideo?

[06:55:55]

phunyguy:

well the drivers are getting better fast so i hear

[06:56:07]

mchou:

lol

[06:56:12]

asmussen:

The PVR-150 is reasonably priced and also well supported.

[06:56:20]

phunyguy:

is it more than $30?

[06:56:26]

phunyguy:

(US)

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Dagmar:

phunyguy: For testing, try using one (or more) of the vids from http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/ or http://orange.blender.org/download

[06:56:37]

mchou:

It takes AMD HW engineers to show the ATI SW guys how to program

[06:56:44]

mchou:

lol

[06:56:48]

Dagmar:

phunyguy: Not much more

[06:56:56]

phunyguy:

good i can deal with that

[06:56:58]

Dagmar:

phunyguy: THey're freaking amazing cards tho

[06:57:05]

phunyguy:

ok.

[06:57:11]

phunyguy:

any big name stores sell them?

[06:57:14]

Dagmar:

The difference between them and framegrabbers for recording I swear is like night and day

[06:57:17]

mchou:

nope

[06:57:24]

Dagmar:

Some do, but mainly this is one you just wanna find online

[06:57:24]

phunyguy:

bah so i gotta wait, lol.

[06:57:29]

mchou:

they are being phased out

[06:57:30]

Dagmar:

Use pricewatch or just go straight to Newegg

[06:57:30]

phunyguy:

oh well i waited a week for the rest of the stuff

[06:57:39]

Dagmar:

...or Ebay

[06:57:45]

mchou:

nobody is gonna invest in ananlog any more :)

[06:57:46]

phunyguy:

....ebay *shudder*

[06:57:57]

mchou:

analog*

[06:58:27]

mchou:

even atsc card prices are coming down in price now

[06:58:28]

phunyguy:

so download the H.264?

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Dagmar:

eBay is kinda accumulating those tho now, because they're being made obsolete by ATSC

[06:58:49]

Dagmar:

phunyguy: Hell, grab as many different versions as you'd like to test with

[06:58:53]

phunyguy:

ok

[06:59:07]

Dagmar:

There's a lot of "cooked" video files out there on the internet, but the vids from those two projects we *know* aren't buggered up somehow

[06:59:17]

Dagmar:

...and Buck Bunny is pretty funny

[06:59:18]

Dagmar:

:)

[06:59:41]

phunyguy:

thats the one I am getting

[06:59:41]

phunyguy:

lol.

[06:59:46]

phunyguy:

i hope it looks good

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phunyguy:

and smooth

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phunyguy:

i was hoping i didnt waste $600 on a new media PC

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phunyguy:

because i didnt go high enough :P

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Dagmar:

Elephant's Dream... well, let's just say it's like an army of actually *good* painters were instructed to fill in the details on a ten-year-old's flipbook animation

[07:00:15]

mchou:

wtf

[07:00:22]

mchou:

$600??

[07:00:30]

phunyguy:

$160 case...

[07:00:32]

Dagmar:

phunyguy: Dude, I just spent $301 sans hard drive last week

[07:00:34]

phunyguy:

500 gig drive

[07:00:36]

Dagmar:

Which case did you get?

[07:00:43]

phunyguy:

Antec something or other

[07:00:47]

Dagmar:

NSK2480?

[07:00:48]

phunyguy:

hang on

[07:01:05]

Dagmar:

I looked at pretty much every freaking case everyone makes worldwide last month

[07:01:16]

phunyguy:

Veris Fusion Black

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Dagmar:

Without paying ludicrous amounts (we're talking $250 and up, quickly) Antec is about the best way to go

[07:01:33]

phunyguy:

yeah i love the case

[07:01:39]

Dagmar:

Veris is useful enough

[07:01:41]

phunyguy:

except for the useless LCD display

[07:01:55]

Dagmar:

You didn't buy some Jetway or PCCHips motherboard did you?

[07:01:59]

phunyguy:

decided to give gigabyte a whirl for mobo

[07:02:04]

Dagmar:

Okay that should be okay

[07:02:08]

phunyguy:

i usually go asus

[07:02:15]

phunyguy:

but that mobo had good reviews

[07:02:15]

Dagmar:

I go ASRock, myself

[07:02:26]

phunyguy:

and it had the HDMI :P

[07:02:33]

phunyguy:

oh got a new TV too

[07:02:42]

phunyguy:

Panasonic Plasma

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phunyguy:

42" 1080p

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phunyguy:

new surround reciever

[07:02:56]

Dagmar:

Yeah I got the ASRock ALive-7FG (I think that's it, or close to it's name) becuse it had an nVidia 7050 onboard.

[07:03:06]

phunyguy:

this one is ATi

[07:03:08]

phunyguy:

:(

[07:03:21]

phunyguy:

but i said go for it because i had a spare geforce just in case :P

[07:03:45]

Dagmar:

It's likely the driver issues are solvable with that, but it'll be easier to pop in the nVidia because they're stupid-easy to make work

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phunyguy:

yep.

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Dagmar:

There's probably multiple things getting in your way, so culling the questionable bits early will be helpful

[07:04:10]

phunyguy:

the mobo only gave me 12k on glxgears :(

[07:04:32]

phunyguy:

which is decent considering the SLI setup gave me ~17k

[07:05:12]

phunyguy:

wait

[07:05:14]

phunyguy:

yeah

[07:05:19]

phunyguy:

i meant 1200

[07:05:28]

Dagmar:

wow yeah something is boned there.

[07:05:28]

Dagmar:

Heh

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phunyguy:

well dammit let me go look again

[07:05:40]

phunyguy:

lol

[07:05:56]

Dagmar:

That's as clear as the "Hmm... 2Mb/s disk throughput" was for me

[07:06:23]

Dagmar:

I forgot to put the damn nForce IDE controller driver in the kernel on the new box and was having some weird disk access speed issues. Heh

[07:06:37]

phunyguy:

hmm

[07:06:39]

phunyguy:

1100

[07:06:45]

Dagmar:

I wasn't sure until I ran hdparm and it told me my disks were being outrun by old 486's

[07:06:48]

phunyguy:

stupid ATI

[07:06:50]

phunyguy:

lol.

[07:07:02]

phunyguy:

ill put the card in tomorrow

[07:07:04]

Dagmar:

A bit of kernel rebuilding and *p3Wf* 48Mb/s

[07:07:05]

phunyguy:

and order a PVR

[07:07:51]

phunyguy:

are we talking about the WinTV?

[07:08:02]

Dagmar:

eh?

[07:08:27]

phunyguy:

PVR-150

[07:08:33]

phunyguy:

Win...

[07:08:33]

Dagmar:

I was referring to how clearly seeing 1200fps on GLXgears means the video driver is broken

[07:08:43]

phunyguy:

yes i understand the driver is broken.

[07:08:48]

phunyguy:

i was asking a new question :)

[07:08:52]

Dagmar:

If it's a *Hauppauge* PVR-150 then the rest of the little letters don't matter much

[07:09:01]

phunyguy:

just want to make sure

[07:09:07]

phunyguy:

liek my old days with Winmodems

[07:09:10]

phunyguy:

*shudder*

[07:09:16]

Dagmar:

Yeah, they stick "WinTV" in front of it's name

[07:09:26]

Dagmar:

It's not quite the same sort of "Win" thank god

[07:09:33]

phunyguy:

it means

[07:09:35]

Dagmar:

Quite the opposite actually

[07:09:35]

phunyguy:

this card is win?

[07:09:45]

phunyguy:

:P

[07:09:46]

Dagmar:

Well, usually the "Win" part means "Your CPU does all the work"

[07:09:53]

phunyguy:

right.

[07:09:57]

phunyguy:

software controlled

[07:10:00]

Dagmar:

"...because we were too cheap to put actual chips on the board"

[07:10:07]

Dagmar:

In the case of the PVR-150, it's the other way around

[07:10:10]

phunyguy:

good.

[07:10:12]

Dagmar:

The card does *all* the encoding work.

[07:10:16]

phunyguy:

thats what I need.

[07:10:19]

phunyguy:

brb beer

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Dagmar:

All the driver is there for is to set it's params, and basically it lets you record with something as mind-bogglingly trivial as `cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg`

[07:11:04]

phunyguy:

i cant wait for my OTA antenna to get in...

[07:11:10]

phunyguy:

I live 35 miles from the nearest city...

[07:11:15]

phunyguy:

so I had to go big..

[07:11:20]

Dagmar:

The only cooler thing I've ever seen was the first time I used Creative Playcenter to rip a CD

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phunyguy:

lol Dagmar

[07:12:07]

phunyguy:

nice

[07:12:25]

Dagmar:

I spent about 20 minutes saying "There is *no* effing way it just ripped a whole goddamn 74 minute CD in 4 minutes and change"

[07:12:28]

phunyguy:

37% on Big Buck Bunny

[07:12:51]

Dagmar:

I had a 900Mhz Athlon T-bird

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phunyguy:

EAC ftw.

[07:12:56]

phunyguy:

i still have one

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phunyguy:

<---

[07:13:00]

phunyguy:

this machine

[07:13:02]

phunyguy:

:P

[07:13:05]

phunyguy:

640 megs ram

[07:13:10]

phunyguy:

it's my torrent box

[07:13:12]

Dagmar:

Yeah, the PVR-150 is that kinda leet

[07:13:36]

phunyguy:

i suppose i coulda found this chat room before i impulse bought all my hardware

[07:13:42]

phunyguy:

lol?

[07:13:59]

Dagmar:

Well, we do get a bit tired of people saying "tell me what to buy" sometimes

[07:14:06]

Dagmar:

Knowing more of what's out there is useful tho

[07:14:08]

phunyguy:

i read the docs.

[07:14:19]

phunyguy:

and i think i did "ok"

[07:14:24]

phunyguy:

just missed out on the PVR

[07:14:40]

Dagmar:

Once I can be sure this new box of mine is going to hold up, I'm going to just document it on the wiki

[07:14:49]

phunyguy:

i was thinking the same thing

[07:14:59]

phunyguy:

I already have some naysayers

[07:15:09]

Dagmar:

One damn thing I can be sure I have more experience with than about 90% of the people out there is freakin building PCs

[07:15:10]

phunyguy:

i would love to throw it in their face.

[07:15:18]

phunyguy:

yeah me too.

[07:15:24]

Dagmar:

I spent years building them in a shop and doing onsite repairs

[07:15:26]

phunyguy:

I actually am in the IT field

[07:15:36]

phunyguy:

Desktop Support (no not a call center)

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Tomasu is now known as TomasuDlrrp

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phunyguy:

i make mroe than that :P

[07:15:49]

phunyguy:

more*

[07:15:53]

Dagmar:

So your'e probably going to get a kick out of building this then

[07:16:00]

phunyguy:

already have

[07:16:03]

Dagmar:

We get a lot of people through here who might have seen Linux on TV once or twice.

[07:16:14]

phunyguy:

Oh I am 100% Linux at home.

[07:16:19]

phunyguy:

BAH i lied

[07:16:26]

phunyguy:

I have an XP box for "just in case"

[07:16:29]

phunyguy:

but it idles.

[07:16:41]

Dagmar:

I have an XP box for Creative Playcenter

[07:16:48]

Dagmar:

Well, an XP partition anyway

[07:16:52]

phunyguy:

with the myth build I have 4 linux machines

[07:17:26]

phunyguy:

Xubuntu -> Xubuntu -> MythBuntu -> Endian (Firewall / Security Appliance)

[07:17:28]

Dagmar:

Do you build your own binaries much?

[07:17:34]

phunyguy:

nevar!

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phunyguy:

:P

[07:17:38]

Dagmar:

Hmm..

[07:17:44]

Dagmar:

That'll change

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phunyguy:

you mean write my own?

[07:18:12]

Dagmar:

No, I mean compile something from source into a package instead of downloading the distro's package

[07:18:17]

phunyguy:

like, not just make && make install ?

[07:18:24]

phunyguy:

oh yeah I do that

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Dagmar:

Okay. I am just making mental notes about what kinda answers to stuff I can tell you

[07:18:46]

phunyguy:

thats fine.

[07:18:55]

phunyguy:

im a myth noobie, but I actually know a good bit.

[07:19:04]

Dagmar:

I'm using Slackware here, so clearly, I'm a masochist.

[07:19:56]

phunyguy:

clearly you have no mercy.

[07:19:56]

phunyguy:

farthest I went was gentoo

[07:19:56]

phunyguy:

hated it.

[07:19:56]

phunyguy:

was a red hat fan for a long time

[07:19:56]

Dagmar:

Meh. I don't much care for them.

[07:19:56]

phunyguy:

then Ubuntu came along, first i used Kubuntu, but I am a lightweight desktop fan so Xubuntu came in the picture

[07:20:02]

Dagmar:

I'm sure I'm going to see all kindsa screwed-up questions about RPM that I'm going to have to know in a couple weeks

[07:20:09]

phunyguy:

RHCE?

[07:20:11]

Dagmar:

Gonna go ahead and start collecting certs again

[07:20:19]

phunyguy:

or Linux+?

[07:20:23]

phunyguy:

btw I have no certs.

[07:20:23]

Dagmar:

I'm starting with Linux+ and Security+

[07:20:34]

phunyguy:

just Military Training.

[07:20:48]

Dagmar:

The latter should be a doddle once I find out a) where all their incredibly wrong test answers are and b) the newest crap about CAs

[07:20:56]

Dagmar:

The CISSP was cake for me

[07:21:34]

Dagmar:

I've already found a couple things their stuff is dead wrong about, like they believe (somehow) that biometrics are more reliable than smartcards

[07:21:49]

phunyguy:

wat?

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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phunyguy:

lol.

[07:22:23]

Dagmar:

Some of these standardized test things you basically have to study *for* so you know to give *their* answers, which are not necessarily the *right* answers or *sane* answers

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phunyguy:

sounds liek the military

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Dagmar:

Things like there's a certain other exam that tells people you can only have one DHCP server for a given broadcast domain.

[07:23:07]

Dagmar:

...which is so wrong it makes my head ache to think about it.

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phunyguy:

"Here is a 3000 page book, learn it in a week, EVERY WORD OR PHRASE IS TESTABLE. YOU BETTER GET AN 85%!!! OR YOU GO SWAB DECKS"

[07:23:17]

phunyguy:

WHAT?!?!?

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Dagmar:

Oh yes

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phunyguy:

of course you can have more than one

[07:23:31]

phunyguy:

just break up the scope

[07:23:31]

phunyguy:

stupid.

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Dagmar:

Definitely. It's in the bloody RFC even

[07:23:42]

phunyguy:

hah.

[07:23:45]

Dagmar:

...but it's hard to get these materials changed.

[07:23:58]

phunyguy:

well that is one reason i never got certified.

[07:23:58]

Dagmar:

That was at least one thing I could say about the CISSP

[07:24:03]

Dagmar:

I could _respect_ it's questions.

[07:24:07]

phunyguy:

because its a piece of toilet paper to me.

[07:24:12]

Dagmar:

...although some I wonder why the hell they were there.

[07:24:28]

Dagmar:

There was one about the SUPERZAP utility I just boggled at.

[07:24:41]

phunyguy:

never heard of it..lol

[07:24:48]

phunyguy:

OH i tried CCNA and failed.

[07:24:52]

phunyguy:

needed 849..

[07:24:55]

phunyguy:

i got 847.

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phunyguy:

:(

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Dagmar:

This was 2000, but still, that's something I only knew about because I used to go berzerk online before I turned 18.

[07:25:07]

Dagmar:

...in the days of the dialup modem.

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phunyguy:

word.

[07:25:12]

Dagmar:

It's a VMS utility

[07:25:32]

Dagmar:

It basically allows you to kick whatever data you want into "the" database for VMS. i.e., the database that has everyones rights in it

[07:25:32]

phunyguy:

i took the test again 2 weeks later... 834.

[07:25:51]

phunyguy:

i was pretty frustrated over CCNA

[07:25:56]

Dagmar:

...but it's like the VMS "CRASH" command.

[07:26:04]

phunyguy:

over my head now :P

[07:26:07]

Dagmar:

Only completely retarded children don't remove it from the system immediately.

[07:26:17]

Dagmar:

The VMS "CRASH" command does exactly what it says.

[07:26:42]

asmussen:

Wow, I haven't used VMS in ages.

[07:26:49]

Dagmar:

It was put in there to take the challenge out of crashing the machine from college students and mischeivous employees/techs

[07:27:02]

phunyguy:

ahh

[07:27:18]

Dagmar:

I think I ran it on two machines before I actually believed it existed.

[07:27:33]

phunyguy:

i hope this video plays good

[07:27:44]

Dagmar:

When you're 14 you generally don't manage to think there just *might* be a reason for that to be there that isn't madness incarnate.

[07:27:56]

phunyguy:

and if it does, i can pretty much expect the same out of the dvico card?

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Dagmar:

From the dvico card you get a whole new set of potential problems

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phunyguy:

why is that?

[07:28:27]

Dagmar:

Problems like, "is the station sending out screwed up encoding?"

[07:28:51]

phunyguy:

is it that big of an issue?

[07:28:55]

Dagmar:

...and "am I not getting the whole transmission due to wobbly signals?"

[07:29:02]

Dagmar:

Not *usually*

[07:29:04]

phunyguy:

because I am honestly more worried about having enough power

[07:29:09]

Dagmar:

...but there's a lot of failure points

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Dagmar:

*potential* failure points

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phunyguy:

like living 35 miles from a city?

[07:29:59]

Dagmar:

Like, QAM is fine and dandy, but if a cable ISP is issuing STBs that play a particular flavor of cooked video, and other things *don't* like it, they generally do nothing

[07:30:20]

phunyguy:

ok that is another thing i dont know the difference

[07:30:43]

Dagmar:

QAM is a mechanism used to punt video out to digital cable boxes

[07:30:50]

phunyguy:

oh...

[07:31:01]

phunyguy:

ok that is irrelevant :P

[07:31:11]

phunyguy:

this will be OTA.

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Dagmar:

...and *it's* standard enough, but what video they send across it could be anything

[07:31:38]

Dagmar:

ATSC is basically the same deal. You'll be getting digital data straight from their tower, so the only "work" the card has to do is manage to not lose signal lock

[07:31:57]

phunyguy:

that's hot... and it is already encoded as mpeg2?

[07:32:01]

phunyguy:

or whatever it is

[07:32:06]

Dagmar:

You can always hope for it. :)

[07:32:15]

phunyguy:

i should be OK.

[07:32:29]

Dagmar:

mencoder/mplayer is your friend for easy command line querying of WTF kind of video file you're looking at.

[07:32:31]

phunyguy:

if the TV picks it up then the tuner will pick it up

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Dagmar:

Should be able to yes

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phunyguy:

good

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phunyguy:

havent tried the TV yet, but its ok :P

[07:33:02]

phunyguy:

dont have a good signal yet

[07:33:11]

phunyguy:

waiting on the roof ornament

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Dagmar:

No coat hanger and wad of tinfoil? (jk)

[07:34:20]

phunyguy:

lol.

[07:34:22]

phunyguy:

OH

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phunyguy:

i meant to ask

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phunyguy:

SVideo and the single yellow RCA connector...

[07:34:39]

phunyguy:

any major difference?

[07:34:52]

Dagmar:

SVideo has more bandwidth available to it basically.

[07:35:05]

Dagmar:

You'll get a better image over it than you can with composite (that yellow RCA)

[07:35:06]

phunyguy:

i noticed the PVR just had the RCA

[07:35:14]

Dagmar:

It should haev an s-video input

[07:35:18]

phunyguy:

let me loook again

[07:35:25]

phunyguy:

OH yup

[07:35:27]

phunyguy:

there it is

[07:35:32]

phunyguy:

bad angle on a low res pic

[07:35:49]

phunyguy:

2 standard def tuner inputs too?

[07:35:56]

phunyguy:

hawt.

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Dagmar:

That would be the PVR-500.

[07:36:02]

Dagmar:

The PVR-150 only has one tuner

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phunyguy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . 2fMCE+Remote

[07:36:25]

Dagmar:

It's *got* coax (RF), composite, and S-Video inputs, but basically you can only use one at a time

[07:36:27]

phunyguy:

wow huge link

[07:36:31]

phunyguy:

AH

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phunyguy:

ok

[07:36:36]

phunyguy:

that makes sense

[07:36:45]

phunyguy:

im ok with one at a time

[07:36:48]

phunyguy:

its just for the svideo

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Dagmar:

It's a nice array of input selections tho

[07:37:06]

Dagmar:

For obvious reasons, don't try to play video games through one tho

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phunyguy:

lol?

[07:37:28]

Dagmar:

Maybe something like Civilization

[07:37:34]

phunyguy:

ill plug my Wii into it

[07:37:35]

Dagmar:

The encoder buckets take a moment to fill

[07:37:37]

phunyguy:

watch it burn

[07:37:49]

Dagmar:

You will be watching video that is 1–2s *delayed*

[07:37:58]

phunyguy:

yea on a Wii that would suck ass.

[07:38:02]

phunyguy:

pardon my francais

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Dagmar:

Meaning anything that involves realtime response at, you would die.

[07:38:18]

phunyguy:

its liek this framgrabber fiasco im in

[07:38:25]

Dagmar:

The 75ms or so of lag some LCD TVs do for Guitar Hero on a PS2 is bad enough

[07:38:27]

phunyguy:

"WHY ISNT THE DISH GUIDE COMING UP"..

[07:38:33]

phunyguy:

*mash button 5 times*

[07:38:47]

phunyguy:

"oh there it i.... HAY STOP.. NO!!"

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phunyguy:

argh.

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phunyguy:

it was a 5 second delay at one point

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I'd like to record some of my guild's raids in World of Warcraft, but I don't *really* want to drop my screen res to 1024x768 for one

[07:39:35]

phunyguy:

OH download is done

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phunyguy:

let me put it on my fileserver

[07:40:48]

phunyguy:

never got into that game

[07:40:55]

phunyguy:

dont have time for it

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Dagmar:

It's not a game so much as it is a hobby

[07:41:21]

phunyguy:

ok now this stupid remote is gonna be another issue

[07:41:34]

phunyguy:

any recommendations as to a good media center remote?

[07:41:49]

Dagmar:

The focus is somewhat about making a cool toon and watching them jump around and kill stuff.

[07:42:00]

Dagmar:

Any remote you like that is programmable.

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phunyguy:

one that all the buttons work preferrably?

[07:42:12]

phunyguy:

I also got a CommandIR

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phunyguy:

that should help

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Dagmar:

The "easy" way to deal with lirc is to find some programmable remote you *like* and then tell it to behave like something you have an LIRC config file for

[07:42:44]

phunyguy:

ok that i would have to study more..

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Dagmar:

It's MUCH simpler than trying to buy a specific remote

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phunyguy:

this remote just seems so...

[07:42:52]

phunyguy:

small..

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Dagmar:

'cuz with a programmable remote, if the first config file doesn't work like you want, you just reconfig the remote at something else and try a different one.

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Dagmar:

s/at/as/;

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phunyguy:

I also have a universal remote, you said lirc can use it?

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Dagmar:

Oh defintely.

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phunyguy:

awesome

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Dagmar:

I have one of those One4All PVR remotes.

[07:43:46]

Dagmar:

It thinks it's a Phillips right now.

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phunyguy:

i would love to make this PC control all my gear

[07:44:00]

phunyguy:

the commandIR has 4 outputs

[07:44:03]

phunyguy:

:-/

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phunyguy:

i just thought i had a USB cable to plug it in with... looks like i need to make a run to the store

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phunyguy:

LOL!

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phunyguy:

gonna need the nvidia card.

[07:49:02]

phunyguy:

2–3 FPS

[07:49:08]

phunyguy:

that vide was HURTIN

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phunyguy:

+o

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Dagmar:

yowch

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phunyguy:

but.. 1100 on glxgears

[07:49:45]

phunyguy:

i shoulda knownm

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phunyguy:

let me play it on the SLi machine

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phunyguy:

plays awesome... lol

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pat_:

just use xv and the qt interface

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pat_:

don't even bother with the opengl stuff

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pat_:

it'll work fine

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phunyguy:

I am also noticing "tearing" on any video i play – like the normal playing divx

[07:52:14]

phunyguy:

got a diagonal rip from top left to bottom right during fast motion

[07:52:19]

phunyguy:

is that normal?

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Dagmar:

That's where vsync is handy

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Dagmar:

You however must make sure yer video output is 60Hz or 120hz (not likely)

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phunyguy:

why wouldnt it be 60 hz?

[07:53:08]

Dagmar:

God only knows

[07:53:24]

Dagmar:

my LCD TV will let me do 72Hz

[07:53:28]

Dagmar:

...which is useless.

[07:53:38]

Dagmar:

...but I suppose it would be useful if I were using it as a monitor

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phunyguy:

like me?

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Dagmar:

For "regular computer work" you kinda want higher than 60Hz

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phunyguy:

OH NOES

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phunyguy:

the butterfly!!

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Dagmar:

lol

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phunyguy:

lol @ the wings

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phunyguy:

the video looks amazing on the geforce

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phunyguy:

pat_

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Dagmar:

Elephant's Dream is not nearly so entertaining

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phunyguy:

xv and qt interface

[07:56:00]

phunyguy:

i had xv set in mplayer for divx

[07:56:00]

Dagmar:

There is nothing like a sane plot to it, but basically, people diddled details into every possible crevice.

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phunyguy:

ran like crap...

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phunyguy:

changed to gl...

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Dagmar:

xv is *usually* what you want

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phunyguy:

ran awesome

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Dagmar:

Particularly if you're playing mpg with an nVidia card.

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phunyguy:

ok well the card will go in tomorrow

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phunyguy:

i also have a DVI to component adapter...

[07:57:29]

phunyguy:

is that what its called? component?

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Dagmar:

red, green, and blue RCA cables?

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phunyguy:

the 3 video + 2 audio

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phunyguy:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Yep. Component.

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phunyguy:

k.

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Dagmar:

There's a thing ont eh wiki

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phunyguy:

that should be fine.

[07:58:10]

Dagmar:

I put in pictures.

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Dagmar:

Lemme find it

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phunyguy:

hahaha pissed off bunny

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Dagmar:

Ah here

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Highly_Technical_Details

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phunyguy:

LOL!!!!

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phunyguy:

nice ending

[07:59:30]

phunyguy:

turd in air

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Dagmar:

Yeah they had a scriptwriter for that one

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phunyguy:

butthole puckered

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Dagmar:

Read that URL. It'll put an end to questions about the various connector types

[08:02:19]

phunyguy:

that was the only question :P

[08:02:43]

phunyguy:

meh i may have to get a dvi->hdmi connector

[08:02:54]

phunyguy:

cant find the adapter i had

[08:03:13]

phunyguy:

dvi to component that is

[08:04:22]

phunyguy:

OOPS there is it

[08:04:25]

phunyguy:

it is*

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phunyguy:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150-M . . . m118Q2el1247

[08:10:32]

phunyguy:

ok one last question before bed...

[08:10:39]

phunyguy:

you know what..

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phunyguy:

nevermind

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phunyguy:

doesnt matter because I wont be using that svideo in.

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phunyguy:

ok night folks.

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clever:

GreyFoxx: still arround?, i semi fixed it

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clever:

GreyFoxx: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5281

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kavorka^:

ive got a strange problem where i have a set of xvid files for a particular tv show that play fine on one frontend but play at a higher pitch on another frontend, ie a chipmunk effect. its really got me puzzled as all other xvid files ares fine

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kavorka^:

does anyone know what i can do to troubleshoot the issue?

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kavorka^:

this is using the mythvideo internal player

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clever:

kavorka^: i had a similar problem if i was recording&playing

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clever:

best i can guess, my crappy sound card could only have 1 sample rate

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clever:

so if im recording at 48khz and playing at 40khz

[11:33:03]

clever:

the 40khz stream gets ran at 48khz

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clever:

basicaly

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clever:

though i think everything in myth uses the same sample rate

[11:34:02]

clever:

which means it wouldnt notice the hardware bugs

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kavorka^:

clever: but it was working fine previously

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kavorka^:

i dont know what the hell changed

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kavorka^:

and when i use xine as the mythvideo player the xvids play fine

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clever:

mplayer has options to force the samplerate it uses on the card

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clever:

which could be used to try diff sample rates

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clever:

by forcing my mplayer to play at the same rate as i record i had 'fixed' my problem

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kavorka^:

this is just for playback of avi's...mythtv recording and playback is fine for me

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kavorka^:

the playback options in mythtv dont effect the internal mythvideo player...is that correct?

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kavorka^:

affect*

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clever:

the internal player uses all the mythtv settings

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clever:

atleast those that make sense to be sed

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clever:

used*

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kavorka^:

interesting

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kavorka^:

maybe i need to play with those then..especially the audio settings

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dustybin:

some saturday humour : http://break.com/index/warehouse-sprinkler-accident.html

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dustybin:

im in the process of building a myth box for my friend

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dustybin:

would this CPU be able to handle most types of HD:

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dustybin:

Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient SLACR 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB)

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dustybin:

OR

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dustybin:

should he go for a:

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dustybin:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 "LGA775 Conroe" 2.66GHz (1333FSB)

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EvilGuru:

If the price is the same and heat is not a huge issue, go for the Quad

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dustybin:

Price is the same

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dustybin:

can h.264 use all 4 cores of the quad?

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dustybin:

on mythtv?

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EvilGuru:

Even if it couldn't, it is only 266Mhz slower

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|Torg|:

dustybin: if it is multislice encoded, yes. If not you need CoreAVC currently

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dustybin:

is BBC HD multislice encoded?

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|Torg|:

I dont know, if the test parts I have are an indication I believe so

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|Torg|:

I *THINK* the test I have is from BBC1

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dustybin:

my friend will buy this package

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dustybin:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php . . . 20-%20Bundle

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|Torg|:

That is what I have a my FE

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xand:

is there any use for HD support in the UK without freesat?

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xand:

in mythtv

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|Torg|:

dunno I dont live there

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|Torg|:

sometimes I wish I did, then I remember the taxes :)

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directhex:

xand, there is no HD broadcast content which can legally be fed into myth directly other than on freesat

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dustybin:

aye nice

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xand:

I'd have thought that CPU power would only matter on a frontend unless you transcode

[15:32:30]

dustybin:

if the motherboard has built in intel graphics, he doesnt need to buy a gfx card?

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|Torg|:

if you play an mpeg program or ts sream inbeded you need cpu, ig that is h262 or h264 part 10, even part 2. If you move up the bitrate you move up teh cpu requiremnts

[15:35:29]

|Torg|:

when you move to HD you get more bits, and at teh same bitrate will pass more bits to the cpu

[15:35:58]

|Torg|:

so yes, for HD, no matter what its encoding, you will need CPU unless you have a dedicated decoder or help from the GPU

[15:42:49]

Lynet:

Speaking of which, any chance of offloading some of that decode to the gpu using cuda?

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xand:

|Torg|: on the frontend, but not to record

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|Torg|:

yes xand mostly

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directhex:

Lynet, yes, lots of chance. here's a copy of nvcc, get to work!

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J-e-f-f-A_:

J-e-f-f-A

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directhex:

directhex

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J-e-f-f-A_:

hehe...

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: We had a power outage, and evidentially my ups outlasted Verizon's battery on FiOS... ;-)

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** directhex feels like trying a game **

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justinh:

muhahahaha.. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a104684 . . . issions.html

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justinh:

tune THAT!

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I'd have to have a really big anteanna really high in the sky to tune that! ;-) (Boston) ;-)

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|Torg|:

and hopefully by the time they switch to it dvb-t2 will work in linux

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justinh:

there have to be dvb-t2 tuners first

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justinh:

that'd be the snag

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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justinh:

heh.. now here's an excuse to get a PVR if ever there was one: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a104645/women- . . . v-shows.html

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh just curious but do you know some about roger cable tv boxes?

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lethalrocks:

Is it reasonable to ask for help in this channel if I can't get Xorg to work with a TV?

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black_Nightmare_:

dunno – seem to be quiet

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lethalrocks:

I'm not sure if it would be regarded as OT or not, heh

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well I do have one slight OT question but again seem like noone's not asleep at keyboard

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black_Nightmare_:

:p

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justinh:

the words "just frickin ask already" spring to mind...

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lethalrocks:

fair enough

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black_Nightmare_:

heh justinh you know if the recent roger boxes could modulate or I'll have to try find the number again to call them on monday re this?

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lethalrocks:

I have an intel 915 of some sort, that I'm trying to get to output to a PAL-I SD TV, via SCART (their appears to be some conversion going on, not sure if it's TV-out or VGA), but all the modes/vsync/hsync values don't seem to work. :/

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lethalrocks:

it's not a problem with the output, because vgacon is fine

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black_Nightmare_:

lethalrocks like I thought — dead in here

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|Torg|:

its not dead, hes asking a question about very old hardware and how to use it

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black_Nightmare_:

a P4 is old for tv watching?

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EvilGuru:

black_Nightmare_: Not for SDTV

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|Torg|:

he didnt say anythiugn about the cpu, and very little about his video output other then it is an intel 915

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|Torg|:

but all X does is put out video, out the defined device, at the defined mode

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black_Nightmare_:

torg well the chipset is obvious hint of the kind of cpu tho (although a prescott .. well .. I'll rather toss these into trash heh)

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database

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black_Nightmare_:

hm so am I right that none of you know about rogers tv?

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lethalrocks:

He was right though, it's a P4. heh

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lethalrocks:

And unfortunately I know very little about the video output. Some sort of PCI-e graphics card (no processor, just a few chips) has an onboard connector that goes to the scart ports

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troy_s:

Anyone in?

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Chicago:

troy_s: I am still lurking here.

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troy_s:

Chicago: I am having trouble trying to get a theme's resolution to take

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troy_s:

Chicago: And the devs suggested I try here first.

[16:40:10]

Chicago:

troy_s: Describe your problem.

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troy_s:

Chicago: Namely, when I try to put a 1680 or HD resolution image as the bg for a theme via the themeinfo.xml file, it gets clipped.

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Chicago:

troy_s: Is your GUI resolution set to 1680xsomething?

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troy_s:

Chicago: The original was created with 1200ish resolution'd image for a bg.

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troy_s:

Chicago: Yes.

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Chicago:

troy_s: That's probably why it is getting scaled...

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troy_s:

Chicago: So in short, what I am asking is how can I create the theme such that it will automatically scale down to lower resolutions and give the HD user a full sized presentation?

[16:41:23]

Chicago:

troy_s: So you want to customize a theme?

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Chicago:

troy_s: Take your 1680 image to gimp and resize it for Myth.

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troy_s:

Chicago: I want high resolution though

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troy_s:

Chicago: I don't want some asstastic 1200 scaling up if you follow me.

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troy_s:

Chicago: Is this a MythTV feature currently or is there a way to negotiate this?

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Chicago:

troy_s: I am thinking that if the theme you're modifying has a 1200ish resolution image.... try modifying one of the themes with a 16x9 aspect ratio with your new image... see if it gets scaled there also.

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well I'm going off for lunch etc so bye now (maybe I can resolve this at night...meh guess we'll just see)

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troy_s:

Chicago: Ok... I'll double check the aspect ratio... thanks for the tip. Testing...

[16:44:51]

troy_s:

Chicago: Is there some strange scaling fu that goes on if the aspect doesn't match the identical aspect of the image?

[16:45:32]

Chicago:

troy_s: The images get scaled/cached each time you load a theme for the first time.

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troy_s:

Chicago: How can I force a full rescale by the frontend without doing the rather bulky change-theme-change-back process?

[16:46:35]

Chicago:

troy_s: I don't know.

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troy_s:

Chicago: I just rm -rf'd the themecache dir and it doesn't appear to have done anything to rectify this situation — the image is still clipped (which is completely odd as the resolution is 1680 in the image and the screen is 1680 and for some reason MythTV is upscaling and then clipping it so that I only get a stretched portion of the image.

[16:47:38]

Chicago:

troy_s: Which theme are you using? Some of them are 16x9 and others are 4x3.

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iamlindoro:

troy_s: all 4:3 themes in myth must currently be 800x600, all 16:9 themes must be 1280x720, no way around it ATM

[16:48:22]

troy_s:

iamlindoro: Ok. That's unfortunate but at least that provides a hard reason why this is borking.

[16:48:31]

troy_s:

Thank you both tremendously. Dearly appreciated.

[16:48:43]

iamlindoro:

troy_s: When MythUI is fully implemented my understanding is that that limitation will disappear

[16:49:05]

iamlindoro:

ie it won't be this week, but will likely be in time for .22

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troy_s:

iamlindoro: What is the guessed dateish of .22?

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iamlindoro:

none projected

[16:49:52]

iamlindoro:

this year is probably a fair guess, though

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troy_s:

iamlindoro: Ok. Thanks again... you saved me quite a headache.

[16:51:23]

Chicago:

MythPhone with FESTIVAL won't build in my environment. The configure script looks in /usr/include/speech_tools but the path should rather be /usr/include/speech-tools

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Chicago:

Gentoo has a bug for this, it seems they are unsure whether to wait for upstream myth to correct this. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219196

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justinh:

troy_s: I can't remember if it was ever implemented but there's at least a plan to support different base resolutions in themes. see your themeinfo.xml file

[16:58:55]

troy_s:

justinh: Yes... this is what I have been fighting against. It is in the xml but the frontend bzorks it.

[16:59:09]

justinh:

so it's not in there yet then :)

[16:59:36]

justinh:

anyway the background is precisely the place you don't want detail, so scaling shouldn't matter

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troy_s:

justinh: ???

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troy_s:

justinh: I'd like to make that decision up for myself based on the aesthetic goals.

[17:00:12]

justinh:

just take your replacement background & whack it down to 800x600 or 1280x720 accordingly

[17:00:26]

justinh:

troy_s: you're looking at the *foreground* all the time, not the backdrop

[17:00:29]

troy_s:

justinh: FLOSS is riddled with all sorts of silly misconceptions about hard and fast 'design' rules already.

[17:00:45]

justinh:

detail in the background will only detract from essentials

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troy_s:

justinh: It really depends on the presentation.

[17:01:22]

troy_s:

justinh: And I'll leave it at that.

[17:01:34]

justinh:

of course I'm generalising but it's your funeral ;-)

[17:02:48]

troy_s:

justinh: Sure... I'd like to think that I have accumulated enough design / art theory and practise at this point to make a reasoned evaluation. ;)

[17:03:07]

justinh:

I'm known for saying this but I'll say it again.. thank GOD mythtv is so difficult to theme or we'd end up with billions of shite 'skins' like winamp :)

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troy_s:

justinh: That's quite a bit of assumption on your behalf.

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|Torg|:

justinh: its not difficult it just takes someone who knows xml and can create decient graphics

[17:04:02]

troy_s:

justinh: This isn't about making things look like anime manga...

[17:04:04]

justinh:

|Torg|: patience, you mean :)

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justinh:

troy_s: look at 90% of mythtv's existig themes ;-)

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justinh:

none of them could be said to suck as hard as 90% of winamp skins but give it time

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|Torg|:

I would claim most of them are too similar to the others.

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justinh:

that's mostly a limitation of the UI though

[17:06:03]

troy_s:

justinh: Strange analogy. If agency is limited to those with the ability and willingness to get stuck in a mire of xml, then ye reap what ye have sown.

[17:06:26]

justinh:

troy_s: of all the ui bases I've looked at, mythtv's is the most accessible

[17:06:40]

Chicago:

Anybody using MythPhone on Gentoo with festival configured? I am hitting some breaks in the compile... first it was for /usr/include/speech-tools rather than /usr/include/speech_tools and now its crashing around finding the termcap library... any hints?

[17:06:45]

justinh:

take an xbmc skin apart & you'll see what I mean

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Chicago:

Anybody been through this before?

[17:07:46]

** cesman has seen MythPhone compiled w/ Festival cause the frontend to segfault **

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cesman:

that however is a very old bug, couldn't tell ya if it was fixed

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Chicago:

cesman: Well, I am looking at MythPhone r14282 which is kind of old... But... on Gentoo r14282 is marked stable. I am not getting segfaults yet.

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Dagmar:

Chicago: you can't generally mix and match versions of myth apps

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Chicago:

Dagmar: Do you know something I don't about the versions of myth installed on my end? If I am mixing versions its unintentional.

[17:19:59]

Dagmar:

What I know is that I need more caffiene

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lethalrocks:

I give up. Looks like I won't be able to get this box to run on linux, at least for now. Thanks for all your help, though.

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Der_Thomas:

Hey, I'm going to re-do my mythbackend server updating from Suse 10.2 to 11.0. Anyone know if there is a good wiki article on how move my database over?

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iamlindoro:

Der_Thomas: Sections 23.5–23.7 of the Documentation at Mythtv.org are a good guide

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Der_Thomas:

oh OK, I'll have a look

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Der_Thomas:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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bsdfox__:

anyone had luck compiling 21-fixes in the last couple days? I keep getting errors

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Dagmar:

A pastebin would help

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Dagmar:

hint hint

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psofa_:

need a wiki keyword for what i wanna do : edit the first mythtv menu to exec some command

[18:10:50]

Dagmar:

Not really.

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure it's not in the wiki, for one thing

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psofa_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menu_the . . . opment_guide

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psofa_:

no?

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Dagmar:

I am not 100% sure but I think it was changed to exectv

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Dagmar:

Might be two of 'em

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Dagmar:

Either way, I've never seen it explicitly documented in the wiki on it's own

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GreyFoxx:

exec launches a external app

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Dagmar:

I only messed with 'em once, and I just grepped the source for it

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GreyFoxx:

exectv launchines an external app and tells the backend to consider a tuner in use by the external app

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bsdfox__:

Dagmar: I noticed it was using QT4 rather than QT3 to compile

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bsdfox__:

seems to be working now

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Dagmar:

Ouch.

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Dagmar:

fixes is only supposed to work with qt3 unless something was changed

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GreyFoxx:

nope, -fixes is qt3 only

[18:23:31]

GreyFoxx:

it will not compile against qt4

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GreyFoxx:

the code just isn't there :)

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iamlindoro:

Don't suppose anyone watched the "Discovery Atlas" specials on Discovery over the last year?

[18:26:29]

Dagmar:

That sounds suspiciously like educational programming.

[18:26:39]

iamlindoro:

yar

[18:26:56]

iamlindoro:

well, sort of travel-y, really

[18:27:43]

iamlindoro:

oh well... they did four more for this year, and I seem to either be missing them or they're not airing them. Allegedly some aired early this month but I don't think it's true since my rule for them didn't pick it up

[18:33:35]

iamlindoro:

Here's another one-- I think my memory may be playing tricks on me-- Can someone running .21-fixes navigate to mythweb's upcoming recordings page and tell me if each upcoming recording lists its time?

[18:34:34]

iamlindoro:

I switched to trunk and now Upcoming Recordings only shows Status/Title/Channel/Record Length, and my brain is exploding because I would swear the *time* was always there too

[18:35:45]

iamlindoro:

ah, looks like 17642 may have changed it

[18:37:01]

iamlindoro:

yup, there it is, needs to be turned on now

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Chicago:

I have a compile error with MythPhone -> http://pastebin.ca/1057593 Should I take this to Gentoo? They already have a bug report which is similar http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219196

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Chicago:

It seems I don't have 'libtermcap' somewhere...

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bronson:

Hey, I think I figured it out

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bronson:

http://u32.net/MythTV/WinTV-HVR-950/index.html

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bronson:

The HVR-950 and PVR-250 are working side-by-side.

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Chicago:

Sorry... I didn't see anybody who may have responded to this. I have a compile error with MythPhone -> http://pastebin.ca/1057593 Should I take this to Gentoo? They already have a bug report which is similar http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?

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BaZiL:

hmm .. anyone here got any idea how to find the channellista for comhem sweden ?

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BaZiL:

i got it working but i need to set up the channels correctly

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BaZiL:

but i dont have the chanlist

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Chicago:

BaZiL: using mythtv-setup you can set channel lists or see the channel names that myth knows

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greenmoss:

anyone gotten a pvr150 ir blaster working on ubuntu hardy?

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greenmoss:

I followed the instrucs here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc/Hardy

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greenmoss:

so I test it: /usr/bin/irsend SEND_ONCE DCT2000 POWER

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greenmoss:

and I get: irsend: transmission failed

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greenmoss:

in the logs I see "lircd-0.8.3pre1[8598]: write failed"

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greenmoss:

another error is "spinach kernel: [ 3013.680152] lirc_pvr150: failed to get data for code 0, key 9036 — check lircd.conf entries"

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iamlindoro:

greenmoss: The PVR-150 built-in IR Blaster can *only* send the raw signals it is pre-programmed with, you will be unable to send others

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iamlindoro:

ir *only* those in the codeset linked on the page you pasted

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iamlindoro:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc . . . 0Transmitter

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iamlindoro:

Read that section carefully. This is the shit part about that particular IR Blaster

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greenmoss:

hmm... weird.. ok, let me re-try the instructions

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iamlindoro:

ie Looks like the DCT2000 is codeset 82, so you need to import that huge ass lircd.conf from the linked page into your lircd.conf, and find the 82 prefixes, those are likely to be the ones that will work

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BaZiL:

i got the channels working . .but hwen watching livetv . .i get lags i havent had before

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greenmoss:

seems to have been an lirc 64-bit incompatibility problem... had to compile from the blushingpenguin site

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greenmoss:

grrrrr!

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wellbourne:

anyone got any good links for setting up a remote?

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otwin:

wellbourne: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

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wellbourne:

cheers

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wellbourne:

appreciated

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wellbourne:

id been on the howto, but not that page

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greenmoss:

man, I can't for the life of me figure out how to populate the channel list for the pvr150... how do you load all the available channels from schedules direct for this card?

[22:41:09]

greenmoss:

seems like it "just worked" in 0.20, but I can't find anything obvious in 0.21

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Dagmar:

You go through mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

...and theres a BUTTON that says it

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iamlindoro:

Same as always has been, "fetch channels from listings source" in mythtv-setup, and run mythfilldatabase after that

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Dagmar:

It can't really get more obvious.

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greenmoss:

that doesn't produce anything

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Dagmar:

Oh well

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iamlindoro:

Then you blew some other setup step

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theDarkAura:

is the wintv1600 a good card to use with myth?

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EvilGuru:

theDarkAura: Check the linuxtv site

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pigeon:

can you get mythtv to transcode recordings keeping its (dvb) subtitles?

[22:50:37]

theDarkAura:

EvilGuru kk thnx

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theDarkAura:

linuxtv.org i gues

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greenmoss:

maybe mythfilldatabase is the missing piece for me

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wellbourne:

# _crichardson

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wellbourne:

subtitles? # _packetscan

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wellbourne:

[23:57:39] theDarkAura | EvilGuru kk thnx # A-

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wellbourne:

[23:58:29] theDarkAura | linuxtv.org i gues # abqjp

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wellbourne:

[23:58:39] greenmoss | maybe mythfilldatabase is the missing# AcTiLappie

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wellbourne:

piece for me # ++++

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wellbourne:

[2] [freenode] 2:#mythtv-users(+stnc) [Act: 1:freenode] [192]

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wellbourne:

[23:58:55] June, Saturday 28 2008

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theDarkAura:

wtf is that?

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EvilGuru:

You get a lot of oddballs in here around this time

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iamlindoro:

Well that was fun

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theDarkAura:

hehe

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EvilGuru:

Most likely stumbling in drunk from the pub — can't get it up — so instead they decide to take it out on IRC

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theDarkAura:

haha

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Dagmar:

I think many of them are just naturally dim.

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Dagmar:

No alcohol necessary.

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EvilGuru:

Stupidity never sleeps it would seem

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Ace2016:

Hi all

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Ace2016:

how do i look at recorded stuff

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Ace2016:

not ones which i scheduled but ones which i watched on tv

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Ace2016:

the ones due to expire

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EvilGuru:

Case in point :)

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iamlindoro:

haha

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Ace2016:

huh?

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EvilGuru:

Ace2016: In the watch recordings screen, press m, and filter by livetv

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Ace2016:

wow they're all in 1/2 an hour chunks, how do i transcode this mess?

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iamlindoro:

They'd only be in 1/2 hour chunks if you didn't have listings

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iamlindoro:

in which case, "Hahah, you should have set up listings."

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Ace2016:

i don't have listings

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EvilGuru:

Ace2016: See above

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iamlindoro:

Hahaha, you should have set up listing

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iamlindoro:

s

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Ace2016:

no howto on how to glue them back together?

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EvilGuru:

Ace2016: ffmpeg

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EvilGuru:

It will quite happily do so, easy to use too

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Ace2016:

can't just echo them into a file?

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BULLE:

Ace2016: avi2demux, ffmpeg

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BULLE:

Ace2016: no, echoing them will result in broken file

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Ace2016:

so can ffmpeg do just the join?

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Ace2016:

no quality loss

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** BULLE gives i_is_cat a herring **

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BULLE:

Ace2016: yes

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EvilGuru:

As I have said on here many times: ffmpeg can do everything!

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iamlindoro:

!trout The_Listingless listing

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** MythLogBot slaps The_Listingless with a listing trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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Ace2016:

yea i'll probably reinstall this anyway

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iamlindoro:

Especially when your silly rear end lives somewhere it can be done for free and just couldn't be bothered

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Ace2016:

i was getting listings via EIT

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iamlindoro:

apparentlynot

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EvilGuru:

Ace2016: was being the operative word

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EvilGuru:

EIT is normally poor in comparison to real listings

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i_is_cat:

can ffmpeg have my babies?

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i_is_cat:

:S

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directhex:

yes

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg -i semen -i ovum -o babies.ts

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directhex:

ffmpeg -i sperm.dna -lavdopts mixgametes=1 oh damn you iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

mwahahaha

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directhex:

if you'd only been that fast joining world war 2. damn yanks

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asmussen:

ffmpeg can do everything except playback hdpvr recordings on a system that isn't on the top 100 supercomputers list...

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EvilGuru:

directhex: Don't worry, they seem to be making up for lost time quite well

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iamlindoro:

If it has been sarcastic from 39–43 we totally would have been there

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iamlindoro:

er had been

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directhex:

asmussen, ffmpeg doesn't scale well to 256 cores

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EvilGuru:

asmussen: That is ffplay ;)

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asmussen:

Well, yeah, not the best analogy I could have picked. The point mostly being that ffmpeg's H.264 playback leaves something to be desired at the moment.

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asmussen:

CoreAVC is picking up the slack nicely for the time being though.

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EvilGuru:

If the work by <person everyone keeps talking about> is anything to go by, it will not be the case for long

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iamlindoro:

Alex Strange

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iamlindoro:

Which is totally my porn name

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asmussen:

Yeah, that'll be very nice, although there is still something with the particular type of interlacing structure that the hdpvr puts out that still needs some work in ffmpeg too from what I've been told.

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iamlindoro:

paff + Spatial direct

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iamlindoro:

Just here to fill the gaps, don't mind me, folks

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asmussen:

iamlindoro: Do you know if anybody is currently working on support for that, or is that still up in the air at the moment?

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|Torg|:

http://nightlies.videolan.org/

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iamlindoro:

asmussen: Don't think there has been too much work on it lately... there is an oldish ticket that tracks the general "meh" attitude of the ffmpeg devs when asked about it

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EvilGuru:

As soon as porn makes the transition to HD on cable networks I am sure they will implement it overnight

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iamlindoro:

In related news last I saw Alexander Strange had implemented frame-level multithread of h.263, so at least he's into the MPEG-4 neighborhood

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asmussen:

Maybe we should chip in and buy Mr. Strange an hdpvr to get him motivated... :P

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asmussen:

If that guy goes on to get his PhD it's going to get really awkward talking about him...

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EvilGuru:

Maybe everyone with an HD PVR should convert use it to encode all of their explicit content using it and mail the disks to him

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EvilGuru:

asmussen: It would be a bit odd I guess

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EvilGuru:

s/convert//

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro: Sounds like he is making good progress

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iamlindoro:

yeah, he started with the framework, then worked through a few trivial codecs (that don't really need multithread) and now appears to be moving into the stuff when it would actually pay off

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EvilGuru:

I assume this also works for encoding as well?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

Tell you what, encodes with "easy" codecs on multicore systems are going to get awful fast

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EvilGuru:

Might be able to justify the quad core then

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iamlindoro:

Might take 15 minutes for TV shows to appear online after air instead of 30 ;)

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EvilGuru:

Knew there was a reason I bought it

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EvilGuru:

(Easier to justify things after you've done/got them)

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iamlindoro:

Better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission

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|Torg|:

finnaly well be able to encode shows fatr then downloading them with torrents :)

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Dagmar:

That would certainly be nice

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iamlindoro:

My approach the past few months has been "encode nothing, MOAR DISK!"

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