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Thursday, June 26th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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pyther:

I was able to get composite to work, however I can seem to get televison to work

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pyther:

This is in tvtime

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pyther:

does anyone have any ideas?

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Dagmar:

Yes, that this is not #Tvtime

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pyther:

Dagmar, of course, but tvtime is dead, and I don't think this is more hardware related

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pyther:

in mythtv, when I click watch tv, nothing happens

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Dagmar:

You didn't configure things.

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Dagmar:

There's docs for that.

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pyther:

Dagmar, can you point me towards it cause I'm pretty sure I did

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview and http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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pyther:

Dagmar, and what section do I want to look at?

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Dagmar:

If you intend to use MythTV, you READ ALL OF IT.

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, you get to keep fumbling around in confusion.

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pyther:

Dagmar, I did, I must have missed something or did something wrong

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Dagmar:

Don't just install it, prod it with a finger and say "It doesn't work. Someone tell me what to do"

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pyther:

Can anyone point me in the direction to watch just regular analog tv channels?

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iamlindoro:

pyther: Dagmar has already pointed you at the documentation. Nobody is going to guide you through every step of any part of this. If you can't get to a specific point that you are asking help about, or at least provide log/console output, then your repetition will fall on deaf ears.

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pyther:

the fucking thing won't work

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pyther:

I got composite to work

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pyther:

but not tv signals

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iamlindoro:

Clearly the problem lies between the keyboard and the chair. When you are able to articulate your problem coherently, and provide frontend and backend logs, then... well, at this point, we'll be happy to continue to ignore your rude ass

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pyther:

Is there a mythtv install guide that is more up to date?

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iamlindoro:

That guide is perfectly up to date

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pyther:

it talking about setting directories in the general setup step, however I do not see any place to put directories

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GreyFoxx:

There use to be directories setup in mythtv-setup , general

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GreyFoxx:

for where recordings and such go

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GreyFoxx:

But these days it's storage groups instead

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GreyFoxx:

what "guide" are you reading ?

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pyther:

GreyFoxx, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Index

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GreyFoxx:

I tyhink it says specifically storage groups from what I read on that page

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GreyFoxx:

After you create the desired directory or directories for storing your video files, you will need to add them to the proper Storage Group using mythtv-setup. This procedure is described below in the Storage Groups section.

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iamlindoro:

ah-yup

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GreyFoxx:

read the whole thing ;)

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pyther:

When I'm in a combo box (up and down arrows) I can't seem get out of it, what might I be doing wrong?

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pyther:

Anyone?

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iamlindoro:

All you do is ask questions, made rude comments, and never thank anyone helping you, they're probably sick of you

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pyther:

iamlindoro, helped, I got told to RTFM

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iamlindoro:

Which you neglected to do fully

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pyther:

iamlindoro, no I did read the fucking manual

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iamlindoro:

mmmkay

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pyther:

however I am still having no luck

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iamlindoro:

and here we see more rudeness

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iamlindoro:

you have to *earn* the right to be rude around here by, whattayacallit, "knowing things."

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pyther:

iamlindoro, how am I being rude?

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iamlindoro:

waiting no longer than two minutes without whining "Anyone?" and talking about how you read the "fucking manual..." Impatient, rude, what have you

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iamlindoro:

Heck, I know your answer and I don't intend to tell you, as you won't put any work into finding your own answers and you're rude to people I like, soooo, I intend to watch you twist in the wind, really

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Dagmar:

Tuner cards != MythTV.

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whoDat_:

how do i tell which playback profile is being used on a particular video? when i check the playback log, it shows 'accepting' on both

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sphery:

whoDat_: experience

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sphery:

parsing the log info to figure out what playback profile (or what part of a playback profile--i.e. for deinterlacer) is in use is quite a challenge

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whoDat_:

hi again sphery

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whoDat_:

;)

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sphery:

hi

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whoDat_:

yeah we talked about this before a couple days ago

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GreyFoxx:

Actually that really should be a lot clearer in the logs

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GreyFoxx:

we get that Q in here every couple days

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whoDat_:

at first i thought it was the last one that is "accepted" is the one that is being used. but thats not true

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GreyFoxx:

So right as playback starts it should spit out a "profile details" summary

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whoDat_:

greyfoxx: it does?

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GreyFoxx:

You are the second I've seen ask it today

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whoDat_:

or your talking about future enhancement

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GreyFoxx:

who: Future enhancement :)

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GreyFoxx:

useful info to be in the logs which shouldn't be hard to patch in

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whoDat_:

why does it say accepting on both though

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: and/or a lot of that info should be moved to -v playback

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whoDat_:

2008-06–25 21:56:52.645 VDP: Accepting: cmp(> 0 0) dec(ffmpeg) cpus(2) rend(xv-blit) osd(softblend) osdfade(enabled) deint(bobdeint,onefield) filt()

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whoDat_:

2008-06–25 21:56:52.645 VDP: Accepting: cmp(> 480 400) dec(ffmpeg) cpus(2) rend(xv-blit) osd(softblend) osdfade(disabled) deint(greedyhdoubleprocessdeint,greedyhdoubleprocessdeint) filt()

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whoDat_:

those are the two entries accepted, in that order

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whoDat_:

but i know this video is using bob, i can tell

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: with the summary, though, it would also be nice to provide some of the details used to decide (i.e. resolution, display refresh rate, video refresh rate, ...)

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whoDat_:

sphery: so there really is no definitive way right now?

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sphery:

whoDat_: how can you tell it's bob?

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whoDat_:

cause bob jitters up and down on my system, esp. the OSD

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sphery:

not really--just takes digging into the logs, trial and error, and (likely) looking at the code.

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sphery:

whoDat_: were you the one trying to make SDTV use a different profile from HDTV and I took forever to mention that LiveTV's profile selection doesn't currently work properly?

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sphery:

(my memory is getting bad)

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whoDat_:

one trick i am trying is turning OSD Fade on in one rule, and off in the other.

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sphery:

that's a pretty good idea :)

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whoDat_:

but that only works on livetv

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whoDat_:

and livetv is broken anyway

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sphery:

why only in LiveTV for OSD fade?

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whoDat_:

you cant bring up the channel OSD in a recorded show lol

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whoDat_:

and the menu osd 'm' doesnt seem to fade even if its on

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GreyFoxx:

Hit I

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GreyFoxx:

the info window will popup

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GreyFoxx:

if the theme is configured to fade it then it should fade out as well

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whoDat_:

ok trying that

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GreyFoxx:

GrayOSD uses fade for all OSD elements :)

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GreyFoxx:

fading out away from the center of the screen

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whoDat_:

i am using bloo

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whoDat_:

what should the order of my rules though?

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whoDat_:

if the first rule is accepted, does it stop there and not look at the second? or does it go through all rules and use the last one that passes

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sphery:

first to match, (where "first" is based on priority)

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whoDat_:

ok

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sphery:

pretty sure the GUI will always re-order them based on priority--top to bottom--so probably also from the "visual" first to match

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whoDat_:

yay, my fade trick works when using 'I' !!!

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sphery:

cool.

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sphery:

I was pretty certain that the info popup faded on my system, so I was wondering.

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whoDat_:

ok so this is wierd. even though the video reported : Video Rect left: 0, top: 0, width: 1280, height: 720

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whoDat_:

it stll didnt use this rule : cmp(> 480 400)

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sphery:

> 0 0 also matches, which is first?

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sphery:

> 0 0 should probably always be last priority.

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whoDat_:

ahh, ok. makes sense. yeah they were backwords

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sphery:

(on mine, though, I have one profile in my group, and that profile uses the comparison > 0 0 )

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whoDat_:

i switched them. it is still using the 0 0 rule.

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whoDat_:

Video Rect left: 0, top: 0, width: 1280, height: 720,

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whoDat_:

is that the correct line to check the video stream width/height?

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sphery:

That might be the output resolution?

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sphery:

Don't know.

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whoDat_:

n/m its using the right rule now

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whoDat_:

i didnt save the switch, i saved it this time

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sphery:

was going to check my logs, but I don't have any logs with actual playback info.

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sphery:

cool.

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whoDat_:

Video Rect left: 0, top: 5, width: 720, height: 470,

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whoDat_:

even my SD channels are reporting 720 on that line

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whoDat_:

thats wrong

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whoDat_:

should say 480 right?

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** whoDat_ scratches head. **

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** whoDat_ changes rule to >720 instead of >480 **

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sphery:

for SDTV channels--assuming analog--the width is configured by your recording profile

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whoDat_:

ahh, true. i remember setting that way back when. checking that.

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sphery:

if digital, could be 704x480 or 640x480 — http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html

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whoDat_:

yeah i have 720 for pvr500 mpeg2

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whoDat_:

i noticed you cant set it for the firewire input

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sphery:

firewire just gets digital in whatever format it was encoded by the broadcaster (or re-encoded by the re-broadcaster)

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whoDat_:

i am assuming my svideo still uses the pvr500 mpeg profile

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whoDat_:

yeah makes sense

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sphery:

yeah

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whoDat_:

this is even more difficult because each rule has a primary and fallback deinterlacer

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whoDat_:

my OSD trick narrows it down to the rule, but doesnt tell me if its using the fallback of that rule

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sphery:

right

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whoDat_:

and the log doesnt say either, it just lists them both : 2008-06–25 22:27:02.611 VDP: Accepting: cmp(> 0 0) dec(ffmpeg) cpus(2) rend(xv-blit) osd(softblend) osdfade(enabled) deint(bobdeint,onefield) filt()

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sphery:

and, in the event that neither the primary, nor the fallback deint can be used, it may choose to use a "default"

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whoDat_:

it wont let me pick bob for both options. i can pick greedy for both, but not bob for both. (odd)

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sphery:

deint info is shown later in the log--after the profile is chosen

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whoDat_:

ahh, okay.

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whoDat_:

ok sphery whats up with this scenario, lol :

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whoDat_:

Video Rect left: 0, top: 0, width: 720, height: 480,

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whoDat_:

Video Rect left: 0, top: 0, width: 720, height: 480,

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whoDat_:

VDP: Accepting: cmp(> 720 480) dec(ffmpeg) cpus(2) r

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whoDat_:

heh.

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dustybin:

if i subscribe to the mythtv mailing list would i get a shit load of emails all the time?

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iamlindoro:

Not if you subscribe in digest mode...

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whoDat_:

sphery: OSD fade shows that its using my >720 profile when on an HD channel even while on livetv!

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DarkD:

ok guys, i have myth running on fedora 9, but for some reason i cant get any sound out ANYWHRE

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DarkD:

nm lol

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DarkD:

just not in myth

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DarkD:

ok but i do have a question

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DarkD:

why is it that th OSD jitteres?

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DarkD:

it jitters for about 6–10 seconds.. then its fine for about 6–10 seconds

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DarkD:

it sesm to be just the text

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sphery:

whoDat_: cool

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sphery:

DarkD: just how long is your OSD being displayed?

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sphery:

(You are talking about the on-screen display that appears while playing back video, right? Not talking about the GUI?)

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Dagmar:

It's probably the driver figuring out what interlacer to use or something

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Kyler:

Woohoo! I just noticed this: http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/06/25/hauppauge-h . . . inux-mythtv/

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iamlindoro:

Don't get too excited, it's far from usable for production setups

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iamlindoro:

ie you would need to upgrade to trunk, and you've got a fifty-fifty chance of a given recording working, and the recordings themselves tend to have playback issues

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iamlindoro:

no IR blaster/receiver support, it has a tendency to stop capturing and not tell you so, most of the picture control unimplemented, etc.

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iamlindoro:

But it's good news for a month or two from now :)

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Nostahl:

heyey iamlindoro

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Nostahl:

how are you doin tonight

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DarkD:

sphery: doesnt matter it seems its interval..

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DarkD:

yeh the onscreen OSD

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DarkD:

using propriatery nvidiea

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Joemama_:

looking for a cheap tuner card

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Joemama_:

is the Leadtek WinFast TV2000 any good?

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iamlindoro:

No, it's not

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iamlindoro:

it's a framegrabber

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iamlindoro:

which are by their nature pieces of trash

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Joemama_:

hrmm

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Joemama_:

what would you reccomend?

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Joemama_:

keep in mind im poor

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iamlindoro:

As it appears you are trying to capture analog TV, a Hauppauge PVR-150 or 500

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iamlindoro:

many many many of them on ebay

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Joemama_:

damn

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Joemama_:

the pvr-500 is like $180

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iamlindoro:

so get a 150

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iamlindoro:

and they aren't even close to that on ebay

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Joemama_:

yeah thats where i looked

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iamlindoro:

then you must not have looked hard

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Joemama_:

yeah i see some that went for less

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Joemama_:

gotta bid on them though

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iamlindoro:

as I see the following: $76, $50, $26, $75, etc.

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iamlindoro:

well duh, it's ebay

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Joemama_:

i usually go for buy it now

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iamlindoro:

Then you go for the higher price

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Nostahl:

hey guys i have my remote all setup

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Nostahl:

and such

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iamlindoro:

not to mention even buy it nows are $99

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Nostahl:

all the buttons are named etc

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asmussen:

Yeah, you either want to get a bargain or you want convenience. Make up your mind. :)

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Joemama_:

that has no remote

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Joemama_:

just the card

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iamlindoro:

you *asked* for a card

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iamlindoro:

jesus christ

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Joemama_:

yeah yeah

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iamlindoro:

You can have decent quality and pay a bit, or you can have an either unsupported or shit card and pay little. Welcome to the free market

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Nostahl:

hrmm my mute button stopped workin

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Joemama_:

i got a 42' 1080 lcd

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Joemama_:

im gonna get a pvr-150

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J-e-f-f-A:

Joemama_: look at auction 250263496196 — pvr150 card only, starting price $19.99 ... plus shipping. 6 days to go, but calculate the shipping, then bid whatyou can afford.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Joemama_: wow, a 42 FOOT LCD??? That's HUGE!!!!!

[04:09:22]

Joemama_:

'' my bad

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Joemama_:

anyway

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Dagmar:

You could live under that thing

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Joemama_:

it will work just as good to use the vga output to the tv instead of the analog out on the pvr-150 right?

[04:09:55]

Joemama_:

cuz i think i can use the vga out to play 1080p movies

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J-e-f-f-A:

Joemama_: the pvr-150 doesn't have outputs – those are all inputs.

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Joemama_:

oh

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Joemama_:

nice

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J-e-f-f-A:

Joemama_: don't expect HD out of a standard-def tuner — what do you have for a source now?

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Joemama_:

cable

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Joemama_:

er

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Joemama_:

what do u mean?

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Joemama_:

i know that

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Joemama_:

duh

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Joemama_:

item # 330247340140 is what i think im gonna get

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J-e-f-f-A:

Joemama_: So you have a cable box — how's it hooked up to your TV? Do you pay for High-Def channels?

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Joemama_:

no cable box

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Joemama_:

just cable

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Joemama_:

no i dont pay for high def channels

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Joemama_:

but there are some free ones on there

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Joemama_:

er well free with regular cable

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Joemama_:

digital ones too

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J-e-f-f-A:

Joemama_: So you're tuning in analog. The free digital channels are probably just locals. The PVR-150 won't tune the digital channels, just up to 125 Analog cable channels...

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Joemama_:

right

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Joemama_:

yep, thats what im tuning

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Joemama_:

i know it wont tune the digital channels

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok. And to get a decent picture on your set, you'll probably need to record those analog channels in a high resolution, like 720x480 – which will probably take 3GB/hr...

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Joemama_:

dammit man

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Joemama_:

whatever

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Joemama_:

dont plan on using it that much for that

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Joemama_:

atleast till i get a few 1TB drives

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Hoxzer:

Hello, I'm trying to create a new userjob? IS there a way to see ALL the output of the cmd executed by mythtv ?

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Hoxzer:

I mean if my userjob.sh woould be echo "Hello world" I wanna see that

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Joemama_:

does that logitech harmony 550 kick ass or what?

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Nostahl:

hey guys

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Nostahl:

is there a way to pause a movie and skip around the gui for a bit and then go back to your spot in the movie?

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asmussen:

Occasionally mythtv will record the same show on both an SD tuner and my HD Homerun tuner at the same time. Is that a problem with the listings, or is there something I misconfigured when setting up my channels or something?

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Nostahl:

hey asmussen do you know if there's a way to pause a movie im watching and surf around the gui

[05:07:18]

Nostahl:

and then go back and finnish the movie

[05:07:30]

asmussen:

Is the movie just a regular recording made with MythTV?

[05:07:41]

asmussen:

Or like a mythvideo thing?

[05:07:52]

Nostahl:

no its a video i have on the hd

[05:08:02]

Nostahl:

i ripped all my movies so i had them on the hd

[05:08:07]

Nostahl:

safe from getting scratched :)

[05:08:14]

asmussen:

Are you playing them with the Internal player, or using mplayer or another player?

[05:08:32]

Nostahl:

i think default player is set to mplayer in mythtv

[05:08:37]

Nostahl:

how do i use the internal player

[05:08:40]

Nostahl:

is it better?

[05:09:38]

asmussen:

Well, I only recently switched from using mplayer to the internal player as the default, so I'm not really a big expert on that, but the quality seems fine, and the upside is that you use the same controls when watching a video in mythvideo that you would use while watching a regular mythtv recording.

[05:11:04]

Nostahl:

also another thing i find weird

[05:11:10]

Nostahl:

all of my movie's i can play from the desktop

[05:11:21]

Nostahl:

but from within mythtv

[05:11:24]

Nostahl:

some of them i cant play

[05:11:30]

asmussen:

One advantage being that using the internal player you can mark your position (Or like I do, I have it save the position on exiting automatically), and have it start there the next time you play that recording. I'm not sure if there is any way to achieve that using mplayer as the video player.

[05:11:30]

Nostahl:

but htey were ALL encoded exactly the same heh

[05:11:53]

asmussen:

Does anything show up in your mythfrontend log for the ones that can't play?

[05:12:03]

Nostahl:

didnt know i had a log

[05:12:05]

Nostahl:

where do i find it

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asmussen:

As far as how to use the internal player, I think you just set the player command to "Internal" or "internal" or something like that.

[05:12:44]

Nostahl:

k let me try it real quick

[05:12:51]

asmussen:

Well, you have a log if the mythfrontend process is started with the command line option to use a log, and then the path to the log is specified.

[05:13:05]

asmussen:

Like mythfrontend -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend

[05:13:32]

asmussen:

And there are options to crank up the debug level too for when you're trying to troubleshoot problems.

[05:14:00]

Nostahl:

ok it says default video player mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo %s

[05:14:05]

Nostahl:

dvd player command Internal

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Nostahl:

vcd player command blah blah blah blah

[05:14:32]

asmussen:

You can either change the default player to Internal, or you can specifiy Internal manually for specific filetypes or files.

[05:14:52]

Nostahl:

so is it using internal player when ever i pop in a dvd movie?

[05:14:56]

Nostahl:

since dvd player is set to internal

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asmussen:

Looks that way, yeah.

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Nostahl:

and for any other video it uses mplayer

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Nostahl:

ok

[05:16:16]

Nostahl:

k switched to internal

[05:16:19]

Nostahl:

tester movie plays

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Nostahl:

lets try one i know didnt work

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Nostahl:

k it is playing a movie it didnt start before

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asmussen:

That's good.

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Nostahl:

but it freezes the frame continues the audio

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asmussen:

That's not...

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Nostahl:

if i hit skip forward it goes to a new frame and pauses again heh

[05:18:08]

asmussen:

How were they ripped?

[05:18:14]

Nostahl:

xvid 4

[05:18:29]

asmussen:

Did you use mythtv to do the ripping, or some other method?

[05:18:38]

Nostahl:

dvd:rip

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Nostahl:

used same settings for all the movies

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asmussen:

Have you checked the mythfrontend log yet? (Or enabled it if you didn't have one being used already)

[05:19:22]

Nostahl:

i gotta enable it

[05:19:34]

asmussen:

That'd be the next debugging step, I think.

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Nostahl:

got another question for ya

[05:20:18]

asmussen:

You said that these same movies play from the desktop ok?

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Nostahl:

what format does myth tv use to hold music

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Nostahl:

by album or artist

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asmussen:

I played with the mythtv music player a couple of times, but never really liked it, so I don't know very much about that part of mythtv.

[05:22:40]

Nostahl:

have you played with remotes much

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asmussen:

Somewhat, yeah.

[05:23:23]

asmussen:

I used to use lirc using the ir receiver on a PVR-350, but at the moment, I'm using the receiver on my hd homerun.

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Nostahl:

i have a philips mce remote

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Nostahl:

from hp haupage repackage tunner thing

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Nostahl:

it auto set it up pretty easy

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Nostahl:

ie all the buttons are named when i tested with irw

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asmussen:

Ok

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Nostahl:

but if i press the video's button etc it dosnt take me to video's section of the gui?

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asmussen:

Do any of the buttons do anything, or is it just specific buttons that don't do what you want?

[05:25:34]

Nostahl:

just specific one's

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Nostahl:

they are all named too each and every one of them

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Nostahl:

im not sure how to figure out the keybindings part of the gui though heh

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asmussen:

Name as in irw reports them, or confiured in a .lircrc file for the user running the mythfrontend?

[05:26:36]

asmussen:

*configured

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Nostahl:

irw

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asmussen:

Ok, well that's just one part of the config. That's setup in the lircd.conf, and means that lirc recognizes the button. There is also a .lircrc file that defines what you actually want each key to DO.

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Nostahl:

ah kind of a translation thing eh

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asmussen:

Something like that.

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asmussen:

It's been quite a long time since I messed with my .lircrc file, and even then I just stole one from Jared and made a few customizations.

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Nostahl:

so how did you set it to auto save your position apon exit

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Nostahl:

and how do you restart

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asmussen:

Well, you can either manually save your position by hitting enter (Probably mapped to select or something like that on your remote), or there is a config option underneath the playback settings somewhere to define the behavior when you exit a recording, and one of the options is to save the position and exit.

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Nostahl:

k

[05:31:39]

Nostahl:

think i stumbled apon the save function once or twice

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Nostahl:

how do i resume

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Nostahl:

ie if i wanted to skip around and play in the gui for a bit and then finnish the movie

[05:32:06]

clever:

k will jump to the bookmark while playing

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asmussen:

As far as getting things like the 'video' button to work, I believe that there is a section under "Edit Keys" in the settings to define jump points, and you define a specific key to jump to Mythvideo there, and then you map that key to the remote key you want in your .lircrc.

[05:32:16]

clever:

and mythfrontend will start playback at the bookmark if it exists

[05:32:27]

clever:

space/enter will set/clear the bookmark

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asmussen:

Yeah, the player will automatically start at the saved position the next time you playback that recording.

[05:32:42]

clever:

and clear the saved position

[05:32:57]

clever:

and a problem i have, the playback fails from a timeout(damn slow pc) but clears the position anyway

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Nostahl:

ah so i set a bookmark

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clever:

so i sometimes loose the bookmark:P

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Nostahl:

and then skip around the gui and then when i played the movie it auto does it

[05:33:19]

Nostahl:

nice

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asmussen:

Yeah. I prefer to have it automatically set the bookmark when you exit a recording, but some people don't like it that way.

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Nostahl:

i wouldnt mind as long as i could clear it and start the movie easily if i did want to restart

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clever:

i use the bookmark icon as a sign that i havent finished watching it

[05:34:29]

clever:

ctrl+b goes to the begining while playing

[05:34:43]

clever:

and if you hit the right arrow in the recording list you have a choice between start or bookmark

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asmussen:

He was talking earlier about doing it for ripped movies in Mythvideo, so I'm not sure if that option applies there.

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clever:

dont know if the internal player works like that for those files

[05:36:34]

clever:

and it might not even be set for the internal

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asmussen:

The bookmarking does.

[05:36:54]

asmussen:

He switched to the Internal player a little while ago to try it out.

[05:37:16]

asmussen:

I'm just not sure if there is an option to start at the beginning as opposed to the bookmark when you're in mythvideo like there is when playing back recordings.

[05:37:22]

Nostahl:

my right arrow just skips back

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clever:

you need to use the right arrow at the recording list

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asmussen:

Right, but I think he's still probably in mythvideo is my point, so I'm not sure that applies, Clever.

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clever:

ahhh

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Nostahl:

lol im watchin Click adam sandler movie

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Nostahl:

and were talkin about remotes

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asmussen:

lol

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Nostahl:

so

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Nostahl:

if i want the Video's button on the remote

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Nostahl:

when pressed to take me to the video's section

[05:42:59]

Nostahl:

i gotta edit lircrc

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asmussen:

I believe you have to setup the jumppoint in the "Edit Keys" section of mythtv's settings, and then edit the .lircrc file, yeah.

[05:43:39]

Nostahl:

k

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asmussen:

I don't use jumppoints though, so I'm not 100% sure of the exact process.

[05:43:46]

Nostahl:

lets try setting a bookmark

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Nostahl:

and then see about the jump point

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asmussen:

Manually setting one, or are you going to do the automatic saving of place when you exit the player thing?

[05:44:37]

Nostahl:

i just manualy set it for now

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Nostahl:

to test that feature out

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Nostahl:

while i try and set up the video's key :)

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asmussen:

heh

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Nostahl:

ah ok i see jumppoints

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Nostahl:

in edit keys

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Nostahl:

so scroll down to MythVideo

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Nostahl:

btw ty for talkin with me :) huge help heh

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asmussen:

No problem.

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Nostahl:

hrmm k i hit ok and it took me down to a box to select a key

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Nostahl:

im pressin video key

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Nostahl:

and no effect

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Nostahl:

if i hit any of the other key's liek the up or down arrow it registers those

[05:46:51]

Nostahl:

but not video key

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Nostahl:

is that cause it may not be setup in lrcrc yet?

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asmussen:

No, here you're just binding it to a key on the keyboard (Just pick any key not already used by mythtv). Then you bind the key on the remote control to that specific keyboard key using the .lircrc file.

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Nostahl:

oh

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Nostahl:

so keyboard first

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Nostahl:

will it tell me if the keyboard key is used ? like other keybinding software

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asmussen:

You know, I don't actually know.

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asmussen:

I think some people use the function keys for their jumppoints, if that helps any.

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Nostahl:

they put alot of thought into this whole thing i bet it does

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Nostahl:

good tip

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Nostahl:

wow all f key's are taken

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Nostahl:

using = heh

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asmussen:

They're taken? By what?

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Nostahl:

this keybindings thing makes sence now that you explained it heh

[05:49:47]

Nostahl:

other stuff like vol up

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Nostahl:

vol down

[05:49:50]

Nostahl:

help

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Nostahl:

etc

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asmussen:

Hmmm... Didn't realize the F-keys were used for anything. I don't actually use them even when I'm controlling mythfrontend with a keyboard.\

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Nostahl:

btw it does tell you

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Nostahl:

neato

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Nostahl:

if the key's used already

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asmussen:

If you do go back to using mplayer for playing any of your videos, you may want to use another key for the jump point. I think = is an mplayer key.

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asmussen:

Although, I think it's for something you don't use much, like audio sync or something.

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Nostahl:

ok

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Nostahl:

where do i find the lircrc to mod

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asmussen:

Check the home directory of the user mythfrontend is running as. It'll either be there as .lircrc, or I think it might also be under a subdirectory down from there, like .mythtv/lircrc or something like that.

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asmussen:

On my system, it's in .mythtv/lircrc, but I also have a symlink to there from .lircrc in the home directory, and I can't remember which location mythfrontend is actually reading from.

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Nostahl:

gah this config is going to drive me crazy

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Nostahl:

none of the buttons are in order lol

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Nostahl:

ie all the number buttons are not grouped

[06:01:55]

Nostahl:

have to do somethin about that some day lol

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asmussen:

lol

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Nostahl:

k time to add the buttons!

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asmussen:

It's a fairly straightforward config. Just copy the section for one of the other buttons configured for mythtv.

[06:04:39]

asmussen:

You'll need to restart mythfrontend for it to take effect, I think.

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Nostahl:

aye

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Nostahl:

k lets test!

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Nostahl:

omg it worked first try lol

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asmussen:

Don't sound so surprised. lol

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Nostahl:

heh

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Nostahl:

i gotta change the del and ins keys

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Nostahl:

those didnt work for keybindings lol

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Nostahl:

k i now have radio pictures music and video buttons mapped!

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Nostahl:

ty a ton!

[06:12:07]

Nostahl:

so now that i know how to do that

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Nostahl:

i can do that in my spare time hehe

[06:12:18]

Nostahl:

get myself a nice functional remote

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asmussen:

cool

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Nostahl:

i think instead of transfering what i hvae ripped so far as far as music goes

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Nostahl:

im going to just rerip it all on the myth box

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Nostahl:

so its every bit in the same configuration style

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asmussen:

Is the stuff you had previously ripped showing up differently in mythmusic than stuff you ripped on your mythtv box?

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Nostahl:

i havnt put it on the myth box yet

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Nostahl:

its hodge podge

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Nostahl:

some is in folders by artist

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Nostahl:

some by albums

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asmussen:

I don't think it'll matter so much what your directory structure is like. I imagine it's more important how the ID3 tags are setup.

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Nostahl:

hey i wonder if myth is setup for auto getting track info like rhythmbox is and such

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Nostahl:

ah only other key i need to setup right now is the back key on my remote

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Nostahl:

to the esc key

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Nostahl:

that seems to be only thing i have to use keyboard for still

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Nostahl:

there we go!

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Nostahl:

all set

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Nostahl:

for a while on the remote heh

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Nostahl:

be neato if i had a little hat feature on the remote

[06:22:03]

Nostahl:

i could control a mouse then too heh

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Nostahl:

woot the bookmarked worked perfect

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Nostahl:

this is soo neato

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asmussen:

Now you just have to figure out why some of your ripped movies won't playback.

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Nostahl:

aye

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Nostahl:

oh and i think i set somethin in audio

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Nostahl:

cause my mute button wasnt working anymore

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Nostahl:

and vol buttons dont work anymore too

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asmussen:

Hmm, that's weird.

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asmussen:

Just the buttons on your remote, or even the keyboard buttons for volume?

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Nostahl:

everything since i monkeyed in audio tab

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Nostahl:

k audio output is alsa : default

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Nostahl:

passthrough output device default

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Nostahl:

max audio channels 5.1

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Nostahl:

upmix passive

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Nostahl:

mixer device alsa:default

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asmussen:

You say even your mute button doesn't work any more, though?

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Nostahl:

aye

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Nostahl:

ever since i monkeyed in this tab

[06:26:29]

Nostahl:

so something's not what it use to be here

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asmussen:

What about the checkboxes in the middle of the page?

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Nostahl:

nothings checked exept use internal volume

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asmussen:

Maybe you unchecked 'Use internal volume controls' or something.

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asmussen:

nm

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asmussen:

Sounds like its set right to me. Maybe try restarting mythfrontend in case it got confused or something?

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Nostahl:

my center speakers fuzzy too

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Nostahl:

but not sure if thats cause its a dropped speaker or something heh

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Nostahl:

aye it's been restarted few times since

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asmussen:

What about 'Mixer Controls'?

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asmussen:

What's that set to?

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Nostahl:

says master

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asmussen:

That may be ok, although on mine I have it set to PCM. I don't think that necessarily means that yours is set wrong though.

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Nostahl:

whats yoru mixer

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asmussen:

ALSA:default

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Nostahl:

and audio output device?

[06:29:37]

asmussen:

Also ALSA:default

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Nostahl:

what is the passthrough output device?

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asmussen:

Default

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Nostahl:

what is it i mean

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asmussen:

Not sure. All I know about that setting is the help text that comes up when you highlight that option.

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asmussen:

'Audio output device to use for AC3 and DTS passthrough'

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Nostahl:

k

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Nostahl:

i know for sure i changed sound from stereo to 5.1

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Nostahl:

so ima switch it back

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Nostahl:

dont think there was anything else i changed in there while back

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Nostahl:

see what that does

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Nostahl:

mute still not working

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Nostahl:

hrmmm

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asmussen:

Volume either?

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Nostahl:

aye

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Nostahl:

no vol eather

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asmussen:

Well, something must've changed... lol

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asmussen:

I'm not sure what though.

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Nostahl:

something in the desktop?

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Nostahl:

other then in the front end?

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asmussen:

That wouldn't be my guess, but maybe.

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Nostahl:

yea mute isnt working on streaming video eather

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Nostahl:

thought i'd try in few different area's

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asmussen:

Did you try changing it from Master to PCM just to see if that'd change anything?

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Nostahl:

lets see

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Nostahl:

be funny if it did heh

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Nostahl:

its possible it did have that enabled

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asmussen:

I don't know that Master is necessarily the wrong setting for your particular box, but it was the only thing I really noticed that you had set differently than me on the audio settings page.

[06:45:09]

asmussen:

And, since you did say you were on that page looking at it before it stopped working, it seems like it should be something in there.

[06:45:25]

asmussen:

Of course, nothing is guaranteed... lol

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Nostahl:

mute still not workin

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Nostahl:

think i need to restart frontend first?

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asmussen:

I don't think so.

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Nostahl:

the keybindings are set correctly

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Nostahl:

cause it pulls up mute on off

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asmussen:

Can you adjust the volume with alsamixer from the command line? Maybe alsa itself has gotten screwy or something.

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Nostahl:

and vol up and down displays

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asmussen:

Or are there any errors in dmesg?

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Nostahl:

lets see

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asmussen:

Also, have you turned on the mythfrontend logging yet? There may be errors in there that help troubleshoot this.

[06:47:34]

Nostahl:

how do i turn that on

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Nostahl:

was lookin for an option/checkbox?

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asmussen:

Well, it may be on already.

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asmussen:

It's a command line option.

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asmussen:

Do a ps -ef | grep mythfrontend

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asmussen:

And see if there is an option specified for a logfile.

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Nostahl:

16175 16157 0 01:48 pts/0 00:00:00 grep mythfrontend is what it returned

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asmussen:

That's all? Is mythfrontend running at the moment?

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Nostahl:

no

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asmussen:

How are you starting it? Is it started automatically when you login as a particular user, or are you starting it by hand or something?

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Nostahl:

on bootup it auto starts

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Nostahl:

but otherwise i just start it from the applications

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asmussen:

Well, start it up with a -l option. You can start it from an xterm or something if you need to. Do something like 'mythfrontend -l /path/to/where/you/want/the/log/mythfrontend.log

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asmussen:

There's always the off chance that all of the fiddling that you've been doing got something confused somewhere, and that a full box reboot could help. It's a longshot, but sometimes it works.

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Nostahl:

so just restart the box eh

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asmussen:

Well, it's worth trying anyway. Probably won't help, but you never know.

[06:58:20]

asmussen:

But I'd definately get the mythfrontend logging going to help troubleshoot things like this, and also your playback problem for some of your rips.

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asmussen:

When it starts up automatically on bootup it may be running with a -l option depending on how you setup the whole thing to begin with, but when you were just starting it from 'Applications', it probably wasn't.

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Nostahl:

k i got the logging going now

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asmussen:

You can run a tail -f on the logfile while you try to do stuff to watch what's going on, or you can go in with an editor like vi, or a pager like more/less after the fact to poke around.

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Nostahl:

ok check out pastebin.com/d2642d5f

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Nostahl:

theres my logfile

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Nostahl:

just went in and played Click

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Nostahl:

tryed mutting tryed vol

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Nostahl:

and then exited out

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asmussen:

Well, I don't see any specific problem with the audio except the buffer underruns, but I don't think that's causing your specific issue.

[07:10:30]

asmussen:

I do find the part about not being able to find an XVideo Surface and falling back to X11 video to be disturbing.

[07:10:41]

asmussen:

Getting that fixed may help your playback on some of those files that are causing you troubles.

[07:11:13]

asmussen:

What kind of video card are you using?

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Nostahl:

ati allinwonder 9600 xt pro 128 meg

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Nostahl:

with fglrx restricted drivers

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asmussen:

restricted?

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Nostahl:

had to enable them to get s-video out working to the tv

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asmussen:

You mean restricted as in closed-source? That's fine.

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Nostahl:

aye

[07:13:13]

asmussen:

I use the fglrx driver on my laptop.

[07:13:52]

asmussen:

But there may be something misconfigured with it, if it can't use X-video and has to fall back to the X11 stuff. I don't think that's affecting your audio issue, but it may be the source of your other playback problem.

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asmussen:

Might be some settings that need to be adjusted in your Xwindows config file.

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Nostahl:

so no clue to the vol and mute butons eh

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asmussen:

Start up alsamixer from the command line and see if you can adjust the volume with that. That might tell you if the problem is something outside of mythtv.

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Nostahl:

yea i can control things

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Nostahl:

seems master turns it up and down

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Nostahl:

pcm controls only front speakers

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Nostahl:

and i think surround turned the rear speakers up and down

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Nostahl:

muting master no effect

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asmussen:

Well, the fact that you can adjust the volume would seem to suggest that alsa itself is working ok and that the problem is probably within mythtv somewhere.

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Nostahl:

mutin surround dosnt have effect

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Nostahl:

yeah

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Nostahl:

but master should control EVERYTHING

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Nostahl:

and it dosnt have effect when i mute

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clever:

master doesnt control the headphnes on my laptop

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clever:

but the 'headphone' control acts like master when using that port

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Nostahl:

weird the front speakers are not on now

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Nostahl:

lol

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asmussen:

Is this a fairly new setup, Nostahl?

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Nostahl:

aye

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Nostahl:

all video's are on an external

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Nostahl:

only thing ive spent time on is the remote so far

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asmussen:

If you can't figure out what changed, as a last resort I suppose you could wipe out all of the settings for that particular frontend and start over from scratch as if you were running the frontend for the first time.

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Nostahl:

its a frontend and backend and everything in one

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clever:

asmussen: a realy fast way to do that would be to just change the hostname override in mysql.txt

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clever:

because the settings are spread over 20 diff tables, youll never get them all(without nuking the entire myth network)

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asmussen:

Are the frontend settings spread over that many tables? I wasn't sure.

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asmussen:

overriding the hostname is probably the way to go then, you're right.

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Nostahl:

what are you guys running btw

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Nostahl:

im on mythbuntu

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Nostahl:

tryed knoppmyth to obut didnt like it

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asmussen:

If nothing else, if that fixes it, that'll at least confirm that it was a setting change that got you messed up and you could even compare the two configs to try to figure out what changed if you wanted to.

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asmussen:

I'm running Fedora with atrpm packages.

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Nostahl:

do you watch streaming video muchn

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clever:

some are

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clever:

most is in the settings table but im still finding old hostnames all over the place

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clever:

ones from months ago

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asmussen:

No, I don't watch much streaming video.

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Nostahl:

i'd love to find a discovery channel stream or somethin

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clever:

i mainly stream mythtv recordings between systems in the house(if that counts:P)

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asmussen:

I mostly just use it for TV recording/playback, with some usage for playing back downloaded video files.

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clever:

i could make one but it would probly be ilegal and only 30kbyte/sec

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clever:

and then i wouldnt be able to record anything else

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asmussen:

Anyway, Nostahl you can edit the mysql.txt file in the .mythtv subdirectory of the home directory the mythfrontend is running under and put in a line to use a 'fake' hostname, and that'll cause it to get a new set of default settings stored in the database.

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Nostahl:

hrmm

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asmussen:

Just put in a LocalHostName= line in. There's probably an example in the comments.

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Nostahl:

its 3 am

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Nostahl:

i am going to hold off for the night

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Nostahl:

and work on it again in the mornin

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Nostahl:

got alot done though

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Nostahl:

remotes workin

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asmussen:

That's cool. I was going to go to bed shortly myself.

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Nostahl:

i think there's a issue with alsa right now

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Nostahl:

and muting

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asmussen:

You'll get the rest of it working smooth eventually. Sometimes initial setup can be a hassle, but it's usually worth the effort.

[07:43:25]

Nostahl:

once i get it working

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Nostahl:

i should image the drive heh

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Nostahl:

just incase

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Nostahl:

cause its alot of setup lol

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asmussen:

Heh

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asmussen:

First time is always the hardest.

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Nostahl:

aye

[07:45:23]

Nostahl:

so

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Nostahl:

oh

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Nostahl:

another question

[07:45:34]

Nostahl:

myth web browser

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Nostahl:

dosnt pull anything up when i click on it?

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asmussen:

I haven't used that in a long time. It always felt too clunky to really be useful when I have other computers nearby I can use for real web browsing anyway.

[07:46:30]

Nostahl:

aye

[07:46:36]

Nostahl:

just wanted the feature heh

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clever:

my lirc crashed at the last dist-upgrade

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clever:

so i control mythtv(on the tv) thru ssh 99% of the time

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clever:

from a laptop

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clever:

and if im not using that tvout, then its running on the laptop in my hands

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clever:

firefox is allways within reach and faster

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Nostahl:

i wonder why its not working off the bat though

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clever:

depends on alot of things

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clever:

one of my first problems is that i wasnt restarting mythbackend when changing settings for the sound input card

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Hoxzer:

:D haha, just did a mobile-mythtv setup

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Hoxzer:

works, gr8 but apparently no more commercial skipping :D

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Ace2016:

Hi all

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Hoxzer:

well, hello

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justinh:

morning, c***s & non-c***s

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justinh:

heh. hope the guy on the mailing list gets help with his tv turner

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sid3windr:

sounds cool

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justinh:

is that like one of those things you put under the telly to spin it around?

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sid3windr:

depending on the seat I'm in I could use a tv turner

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sid3windr:

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justinh:

get a B&O TV :)

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sid3windr:

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sid3windr:

cable error will ensue ;)

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sid3windr:

how does a B&O TV help?

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justinh:

my sister's B&O TV has controls on the remote to move it left to right

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justinh:

goes through about 90 degrees

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sid3windr:

mm

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sid3windr:

would work

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sid3windr:

if I put the sensor bar on top of the tv

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sid3windr:

it's now in front of it

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sid3windr:

I doubt it will pass the WAF test though =)

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quicksilver:

conceal the sensor behind a mirror

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quicksilver:

more mirrors is almost almost WAFable.

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justinh:

all half-mirrored glass.. available in every um... oh wait

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sid3windr:

quicksilver: I don't mean moving the sensor bar, I mean the b&o tv ;)

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quicksilver:

;)

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justinh:

hmmm 1.8ghz 1GB RAM laptop, wireless yada yada yada £220 delivered

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quicksilver:

yeah laptops are surprising cheap these days

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justinh:

should be able to run ableton no problem :)

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justinh:

sod the new cd player

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willcooke:

stick with vinyl

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willcooke:

:p

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justinh:

vinyl. For fuck's sakes

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justinh:

it's 2008

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willcooke:

hehe!

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willcooke:

I'm in the process of digitising all mine at the moment – god I've bought some really shitty records.

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justinh:

what would you rather carry up 3 flights of stairs – A laptop or 5 cases of vinyl?

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willcooke:

Look cooler with a record bag!

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justinh:

a record bag with 500 records inside? LOL

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justinh:

I've never been one of these fuckers who turn up with 25 tunes & expect to get a 4 hour set out of them :)

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willcooke:

anyway – don't you have a recordbox bitch?

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justinh:

the kind who get paid too much & play the same set everywhere they go :(

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justinh:

I can't stand record box bitches

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justinh:

they get in the way

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willcooke:

freeloaders!

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justinh:

I recorded over 25 CDs worth of tracks in time (just) for last Friday night

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justinh:

discovered verbatim media are shite, so had them all to burn again :(

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justinh:

so don't tell me you're one of those bloody purists. it's all so easy for them, never having to cart it around :P They must like feedback with their music too cos Technics decks are shite for that :)

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willcooke:

:D

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justinh:

anyway, you can't loop vinyl :D

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willcooke:

you could get a A-B bitch for that

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justinh:

<3 my Denon 2500F

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justinh:

starting to get the hang of ableton though. tempted to bring that along to add to the mayhem

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willcooke:

my mate thinks it's fantastic – he had that doodad with the click-track vinyl > mp3 which I quite liked

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Ace2016:

Can you record HD videos if you cannot play them?

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justinh:

yes

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willcooke:

he bought a mac just for ableton

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justinh:

poser!

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Ace2016:

the playback is slow and keeps stopping, is that due to the cpu not being able to decode fast enough?

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justinh:

I've heard people saying using ableton is just cheating – might've even said it myself but the skill is still in choosing what to play/when to play it/how to play it

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justinh:

Ace2016: probably. h.264 HD needs MOAR MHZ

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justinh:

like > 1.8Ghz Core2Duo

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Ace2016:

well i'm downgrading the cpu to a 65W one, and i'm recording HD and transcoding to another format

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justinh:

enjoy the loss of quality then :)

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Ace2016:

what?

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Ace2016:

what is the broadcast in? h264?

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justinh:

bbc hd is already h.264, so in terms of codecs it can't be packed down much more

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Ace2016:

oh

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justinh:

unless you reduce the resolution or bump it to mpeg2 (BLECH!)

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Ace2016:

any h264 pci decoder cards available?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

and even if they were, mythtv wouldn't know what to do with one

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Ace2016:

usb?

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justinh:

nope

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Ace2016:

oh

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justinh:

MOAR MHZ

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justinh:

MOAR MHZ

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justinh:

MOAR MHZ

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justinh:

!!!!!!!!!!

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Ace2016:

no its overheating as it is

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justinh:

if your box is too shit to play them, tough

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Ace2016:

yup, SD is ok for now

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Ace2016:

but my desktop should do it, but its ugly

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Ace2016:

no more wasting money on cases

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justinh:

my c2d mobile 1.83ghz can play it with skiploopfilter malarkey turned on-ish

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Ace2016:

skip loop filter?

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

that's what I said

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Ace2016:

what is that?

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justinh:

hmmm.. tempted to go with http://hotukdeals.com/item/205033/acer-aspire . . . elivered-ba/ .. tempted... tempted.. tepted!

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justinh:

what is google?!

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Ace2016:

a search engine

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justinh:

h.264 can use loop filters during playback to improve decoding quality. skipping them can decrease CPU load

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Ace2016:

so frame dropping?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

frame dropping == frame dropping

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Ace2016:

what does the loop filter do? brightness/contrast stuff?

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justinh:

JFGI

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Ace2016:

what is that?

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justinh:

just effing google it!

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justinh:

christ almighty you're needy

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Ace2016:

oh ok

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justinh:

as far as I know it's part of the encode-decode process where extra bits can improve output quality. turning off some parts of it can reduce decoding overhead without affecting picture quality noticably. allegedly

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Ace2016:

oh deblocking

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justinh:

not just deblocking

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justinh:

some aspects of it are absolutely necessary (depending on how it's encoded), so disabling all of the loopfilters might not be a good idea

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Ace2016:

ebay took down the site issues section because of the huge number of people saying wtf happened

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Ace2016:

http://forums.ebay.co.uk/forum.jspa?forumID=1200000000

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justinh:

ebay, home of the "WE WANT TO PAY MORE THAN IN SHOPS" gang

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justinh:

guy at work was gonna chuck his Commodore PET at the local tip yesterday. told him to put it on ebay. there was one went for over £400 last night

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Ace2016:

:O

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waxhead_:

hi everyone

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Ace2016:

Hi

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Ace2016:

hi

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justinh:

£410 for a Crummydore PET.. I know. crazy

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waxhead_:

Ace2016: you get your remote working?

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Ace2016:

yup

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waxhead_:

well done!

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Ace2016:

ty

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waxhead_:

I haven't taken a look at mine seriously....

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waxhead_:

only googled stuff

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Ace2016:

i just went for it

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waxhead_:

but the fiddling I have done isn't good... :)

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Ace2016:

but you had problems with the input didn't you?

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Ace2016:

omg ebay.com still has the proper search page

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Ace2016:

we get stuck with the crap

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waxhead_:

Ace2016: got a few problems.. mostly about where to start... :)

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waxhead_:

cat /dev/ttyUSB0 shows me that the remote is working...

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Ace2016:

irrecord and make the conf first

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waxhead_:

what I can't get to start now ( for what ever reason! ) is irserver... it was the other night... just not now...

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Ace2016:

irrecord --device=/dev/ttyUSB0 /etc/lircd_test.conf

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waxhead_:

Ace2016: do you have lircd running on your system?

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justinh:

fucking dickhead bargaincrazy.com arseholes

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Dibblah:

Do you think something upset justinh?

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waxhead_:

what doesn't?

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willcooke:

ice

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willcooke:

cream

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directhex:

fluffy bunnies?

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famicom:

Rozza debian

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waxhead_:

Ace2016: tried the irrecord... didn't work.. Not sure I really want to do this tonight...

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waxhead_:

does lircd need to run?

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waxhead_:

I have an irtrans remote...

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Tomas-:

lircd needs to be stopped when running irrecord

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Tomas-:

but you need to have the lirc_xxxx modules loaded for your receiver

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Tomas-:

Damnit ... My soundcard doesn't work in 2.6.24 and in 2.6.25.x mythfrontend won't start

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waxhead_:

Tomas-: Oh right... thanks... I'll keep that in mind..

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directhex:

soundcard support is not directly related to the kernel version, it's related to the alsa version

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directhex:

alsa can be updated distinctly from the kernel, if need be

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Tomas-:

directhex: thats true... I'll try that tonight

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Tomas-:

So strange that mythfrontend doesn't start... strace shows that it reads mysql.txt config.xml etc but it never opens a socket to talk to the backend

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waxhead_:

no /dev/lircd

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waxhead_:

Tomas-: where do the lircd modules come from?

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Tomas-:

waxhead_: from the lirc package

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Tomas-:

waxhead_: what distro are you running?

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waxhead_:

mythbuntu

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Tomas-:

waxhead_: you want to run irrecord something /dev/lirc0 (given that you only have one receiver

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Tomas-:

waxhead_: den you need to install the package lirc and also use m-a to compile and install the modules

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waxhead_:

/dev/lirc doesn't exist either...

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waxhead_:

I'll google about...

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Tomas-:

lirc-modules-source is the source package that needs to be compiled for your system

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Tomas-:

try m-a auto-install lirc-modules-source

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waxhead_:

found the source package...

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Tomas-:

or m-a auto-install lirc-modules

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Tomas-:

but I guess that mythbuntu should have precompiled versions if you do a apt-cache search lirc

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directhex:

mythbuntu has a clicky lirc manager

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waxhead_:

directhex: does it?

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directhex:

yeah

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waxhead_:

directhex: so it does..

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waxhead_:

mythbuntu-control-centre

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waxhead_:

mind you I have no idea what to set for this irtrans remote..

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justinh:

bloody crap shopping websites that let you add stuff to a basket before confirming they have items in stock. grrr :(

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justinh:

#5467 .. lol

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anykey_:

justinh: so this guy is now using tmpfs?

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directhex:

use /tmp, IMHO

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directhex:

worst of both worlds

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EvilGuru:

Watch his memory burn up...then will complain to the Linux devs about swap file usage

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anykey_:

hm, what if you press record on a livetv show then? will it move to the other storage group?

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EvilGuru:

Using memory is a wacky idea, an hour of TV and up to 2GiB is gone

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anykey_:

Have you ever jumped back a whole hour in LiveTV? ;)

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justinh:

does anybody even use live tv? :)

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directhex:

pausing it for a quick shag isn't beyond the realms of possibility

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EvilGuru:

Just because you guys are gone in 60 seconds, doesn't mean we all are

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anykey_:

well, the idea with tmpfs is not completly insane too...

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EvilGuru:

Or if you've eaten a hot curry the night before (now that *does* happen)

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Tomas-:

alright, 2.6.24 with latest alsa drivers and I think everything is working

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justinh:

still though.. just watch the recording

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adac:

why would you guys say that mythtv is better than freevo?

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quicksilver:

fewer vowels

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directhex:

because freevo doesn't do anything useful?

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Tomas-:

Anyone experiencing clipping sound when using DTS passthrough? Some movies work fine and some don't mplayer says they have the same bitrate etc... Wondering if I need to upgrade mplayer or if it's the ALSA driver (using something other than -afm hwac3 gives me good sound but only 2ch)

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justinh:

freevo doesn't have client-server goodness – all in one box or bust

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justinh:

and its scheduler sucks dogs

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adac:

justinh: k that is an argument

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directhex:

timestretch?

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justinh:

no timestretch either AFAIK

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GreyFoxx:

Other than screenshots I've never seen freevo in action

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directhex:

web scheduling?

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GreyFoxx:

and I've only met 1 person that uses it

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, it's not much easier than myth, IME

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justinh:

no web scheduling either AFAIK

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directhex:

UPnP serving to my games consoles?

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justinh:

they have vaporware though :D

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GreyFoxx:

They likely use ushare for upnp serving

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justinh:

directhex: I tried freevo before mythtv. didn't get it working one bit

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adac:

a friend of mine wants to use it....and I asked him why he doesn't take mythv. So now I need some arguments to pill him hon the right side ;)

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justinh:

it's a whole mess of different things in one pot

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adac:

*pull

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justinh:

I would leave him to it

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justinh:

nobody's on a crusade here

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EvilGuru:

adac: Let him :)

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justinh:

it's HIS funeral :D

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EvilGuru:

It if works, great, if not, well you can then suggest MythTV

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justinh:

hey but at least it has ANIMATED UI :-O

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adac:

EvilGuru: Well may I should let him try that...it is hard to convince this guy....cause he thinks he always knows everything better ;)

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justinh:

why even bother trying to convince anybody?

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justinh:

ok, maybe if they're a talented programmer who might ultimately add to the project but those people are rare

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Ace2016:

eeek cpu temps are going up and it doesn't look like its stopping, at 50C now, all i'm doing is leaving it on the H/W Monitor page of bios

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directhex:

use better thermal paste?

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GreyFoxx:

My master backend locked up this morning from over heating

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GreyFoxx:

currently at 51c heh

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GreyFoxx:

looks like that will be getting some attention tonight :)

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directhex:

use better thermal paste?

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GreyFoxx:

Gotta love the call from the wife "Why is the TV not working? " :)

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Ace2016:

i used AC5

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GreyFoxx:

My master backend (xp2500+) runs over 10 degreesC hotter than the slave 2 feet away

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GreyFoxx:

the slave is a xp2400+

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directhex:

bad cooling, or bad readongs?

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Ace2016:

someone should make a cpu that can withstand 100*C or something amazingly high

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directhex:

barton chips should run cooler

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directhex:

Ace2016, they're mostly rated to 70c

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GreyFoxx:

direc: It's always been that way

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GreyFoxx:

and I've changed cases, cooling, heatsinks, and paste

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directhex:

bad readings, then. mobo temp sensors talk crap

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GreyFoxx:

if I remove the case side and point a fan at it the lock ups stop heh

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GreyFoxx:

I've actually always found the 2400+ to outperform the 2500+(barton core).

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Ace2016:

lets see if undervolting to 1.2 volts and decreasing the multiplier will help

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GreyFoxx:

It's tempting to merge the master and slave together

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Ace2016:

now its going up to 52C :(

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Ace2016:

ok i think i'll have to open it and check it, maybe reposition the fans

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Ace2016:

ok done

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Ace2016:

i replaced the 9V 0.09amp fan that came with the thing with the 0.45Amp amd stock cooler fan, this should fix it

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Ace2016:

i am confident that it will be a success this time

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Ace2016:

oh oh

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Ace2016:

nvm, it looked like the fan rpm was constant, thought the sensor was flawed

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EvilGuru:

Ace2016: nVidia GPUs will go 100C+

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EvilGuru:

Older ones only down-clocking at 120, newer ones at 105

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Ace2016:

ffs i wish they'd made cpus or at least tell amd how to make a cpu that can go that high

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EvilGuru:

I wouldn't

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Tomas-:

heat is bad

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psymin:

my hauppauge pvr 150 sometimes sends me data that ffmpeg doesn't like .. any suggestions on what I should upgrade to?

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Tomas-:

a better antenna?

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directhex:

a newer ffmpeg

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psymin:

I'm on version 0.4.9_p20080326 of ffmpeg

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psymin:

please allow me to rephrase, is there a card that you recommend that doesn't use the ivtv driver?

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psymin:

Ooo . I'll upgrade to 1.2.0 of ivtv

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psymin:

nope

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directhex:

if you're wedded to ye olde analogue, there's no finer than ivtv

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psymin:

okies

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psymin:

any more reliable than hauppauge pvr 150?

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justinh:

more reliable? like a pvr150 is unreliable?

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justinh:

what kind of crack have you been smoking anyway?

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** psymin grins. **

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Ace2016:

Done!

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Ace2016:

i decreased the CPU Frequency from 200 to 150, the multiplier from 12 to 10, and the voltage from whatever it was to 1.250v

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Ace2016:

now that should keep it nice and cool

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Ace2016:

its gone to 45C at idle :(

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Ace2016:

47C

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Ace2016:

well its holding at 47C

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Ace2016:

na, i have to put it back to 200

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psymin:

Ahh, I wasn't using the in kernel driver for ivtv .. that might have been my issues .. thanks for the cluestick

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psymin:

have you ever experienced a situation where poor analog signal could cause ffmpeg to seriously malfunction?

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Ace2016:

damn it locked up in mythtv

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Kyler:

I recently switched my backend to use Ubuntu packages and I've had occasional crashes so I upgraded today.

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Tomas-:

Kyler: but respawn is not an option, I don't want it to crash in the middle of a recording

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Dibblah:

hti_pro: It's media notification.

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hti_pro:

???

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Dibblah:

See which media is causing it (removable drive, CD, etc) the exclude it.

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hti_pro:

there is no media inserted

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hti_pro:

it is only when I first start mythtv

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Dibblah:

What does the mythfrontend log say?

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GreyFoxx:

What command are you issuing to start myth ?

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Nostahl:

hey speaking of that what command does for instance mythbuntu use to start frontend

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Dibblah:

hti_pro: Use -v media if you don't see anything.

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Dibblah:

Nostahl: mythfrontend

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Nostahl:

does it use options by default for logging etc

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Nostahl:

mythfrontend -l

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Dibblah:

No idea. :)

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hti_pro:

it tries to mount various drives like /dev/sdc ..sdd ...sde ...sdf which do not and have never existed. My hard drives use /dev/hd...

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hti_pro:

GreyFoxx: I use mythbuntu, so It automatically starts with X

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hti_pro:

I will check what it is using though

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hti_pro:

Dibblah: that is what my log says ... tries to mount ...

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Tomas-:

Kyler: exactly

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Nostahl:

what should i check to fix if in the log it looks like when i try and play a movie it trys but drops to x 11 stuff

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Tomas-:

Kyler: http://attitydhora.webservices.se/restart_mythtvbackend.pl works for me

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Dibblah:

hti_pro: So add those to the ignore list.

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Tomas-:

crontab it at 04.00

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hti_pro:

I was wrong, those drives do exist they are just empty card slots right now. If i want to plug a card into them I would like it to work as expected. Is there any way to stop the error message on startup while these are empty

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Nostahl:

hey guys i noticed in my log it keeps dropping to x 11 stuff when trying to play a movie

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Kyler:

Tomas-: Thank you.

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Nostahl:

what should i check to fix that

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hti_pro:

what kind of x11 stuff???

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Nostahl:

let me pull it up one sec

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hti_pro:

and what kind of movie, ie.. dvd, tv recordings, video files??

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Nostahl:

xvid encodings

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Nostahl:

lets see looks like its doin video output xv error could not find suitable xvideo surface

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Nostahl:

falling back to x11 video output

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Nostahl:

then it says warning may be very slow

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Nostahl:

wich it is

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Nostahl:

cant even watch the movies

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hti_pro:

what kind of system are you running

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Nostahl:

libgl eror reverting to slow indirect rendering

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hti_pro:

older systems are pretty sluggish when playing movies

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Nostahl:

i have an ati allinwonder 9600 xt pro 128 graphics card

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Nostahl:

some movies play fine

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Nostahl:

some dont

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Nostahl:

all encoded same way

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Nostahl:

work fine with standalone players

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Nostahl:

wondering if there's some settings wrong with internal player

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hti_pro:

it could be in the movie itself, if it was corrupted somewhere along the lines you may get these issues

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Nostahl:

or maby my drivers

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Nostahl:

movies play fine directly

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Nostahl:

just through myth tv

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hti_pro:

when you play a movie, (one that works), what kind of load do you see

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Nostahl:

what do you mean ?

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Ace2016:

The lockups were caused by the nvidia card, lol, i used idle=pool and something else to sort it

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hti_pro:

If you play a movie and Xorg is using like 70% cpu or something high, it may be your drivers. do the movies that don't work in myth work with mplayer

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directhex:

older ATI drivers do not support Xv

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directhex:

any attenmpt to play things using them will cause doom

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Nostahl:

is my card considered old?

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Nostahl:

i have also a geforce 4 ti card

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Nostahl:

come to think of it i cant remmember if the 256 card works anymore

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hti_pro:

the geforce4 ti card maybe a little better. If i didn't know better i'd think your looking through my stash. I have the same card but it has a bad solder joint

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hti_pro:

need to get out the IR cam and find it

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hti_pro:

my geforce4 ti card kicked ass. mythfrontend used like 7% cpu and xorg didn't even make it to the list

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Nostahl:

oh wait this is geforce 4mx 420

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Nostahl:

thought i had the 440

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hti_pro:

you might try the radeon drivers with your ati card. Probably won't help system load but may be a bandaid till you can get the nvidia card in

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Nostahl:

your choice between the geforce 5200 or the geforce 4mx 420

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Nostahl:

what would you choose

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hti_pro:

hang on

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Nostahl:

i also have an ati radeon 9800 pro

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Ace2016:

ok system is steady at 51C

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hti_pro:

according to specs the 5200 should be better, but I have had better luck with the geforce 4

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hti_pro:

i would try the 5200 first i think

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Nostahl:

it sticks in my mind that the 5200 is burnt out maby

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Nostahl:

i'll try it

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Nostahl:

anything special i need to do other then shut down and pop it in and boot up?

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hti_pro:

I think they use the same drivers, I think it is the nvidia-glx-legacy

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hti_pro:

what distro are you running

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Nostahl:

mythbuntu

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hti_pro:

mythbuntu will try to help you reconfigure when X doesnt start right, so you may not need anything else

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hti_pro:

if it doesn't you may have to change some xorg.conf settings. I'm almost positive you will have to to get tv out to work

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Nostahl:

im wondering if i should save my remote control settings

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Nostahl:

and do a full reinstall

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hti_pro:

shouldn't change

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Nostahl:

to get everything default

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hti_pro:

no def not

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Nostahl:

my mute and vol buttons stopped working heh

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hti_pro:

pop it in and if it doesn't work, I will send you my xorg.conf file

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directhex:

hm, coldplay on the daily show

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directhex:

what are those nancy boys doing there?

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Nostahl:

k

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Nostahl:

ima shut down now

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Nostahl:

dont worry im on a laptop right now :)

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Nostahl:

too bad the ati dosnt support linux better

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Nostahl:

cause i'd have an fm receiver

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Nostahl:

and all sorts of cool stuff with this allinwonder

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hti_pro:

i know, people pretty much give them away

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hti_pro:

I have never gotten fm to work either, didn't try much either though

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hti_pro:

in fact i've been given three so far

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Nostahl:

should build some windows machines to sell on craigslist

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hti_pro:

that's not a bad idea. I was actually considering building some to give away to some friends just to get rid of some old crap. I can't stand throwing away good hardware.

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hti_pro:

good = working

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Nostahl:

aye

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Nostahl:

make couple hundred

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Nostahl:

and build a smokin mini itx myth box

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hti_pro:

there you go, I am actually thinkin about modding a couple of XBox's for fontends. Just wish I could still play xbox games on them

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Nostahl:

why do you need a front end and a backend?

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hti_pro:

have three tvs, I actually want to see if i can use just the xbox for fe/be, with usb pvr

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Nostahl:

hey what do you know

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Nostahl:

the 5200 works!!

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Nostahl:

i got a 256 meg card now woot

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hti_pro:

did X start yet

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Nostahl:

its booting up now

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Nostahl:

its done with splash screen almost

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hti_pro:

nvidia splash screen?

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Nostahl:

no

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hti_pro:

oh ok

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Nostahl:

k ubuntu running in low graphics mode

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Nostahl:

means i need to disable fglrx

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Nostahl:

and get nvidia drivers goin

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hti_pro:

yeah you'll need nvidia-glx-legacy i thinkg

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hti_pro:

just change driver to nvidia. do you have any special options in xorg.conf

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Nostahl:

there was an fx serise one

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Nostahl:

i choose that one

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hti_pro:

that should get you started

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hti_pro:

i haven't had the best of luck with the config wizard though

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Nostahl:

ya know whats funny

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hti_pro:

??

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Nostahl:

i think this graphics card didnt work in windows

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Nostahl:

maby it was a different card

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hti_pro:

hey you know what they say about that...

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Nostahl:

should i use the nvidia restricted drivers

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hti_pro:

computers are like air conditioners they don't work well when you open windows!!

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hti_pro:

yes definitely

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Nostahl:

k downloading the drivers

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Nostahl:

yea i cant wait till i can get a mini itx board

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Nostahl:

and a smokin graphics card

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hti_pro:

when i used that wizard, it kept downloading the wrong drivers.

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Nostahl:

k restarting computer now

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hti_pro:

you don't have to restart the whole thing

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hti_pro:

just gdm

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Nostahl:

realy?

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hti_pro:

yep

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Nostahl:

the option it gives restarts whole thing

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hti_pro:

you have to do it from the cli

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hti_pro:

/etc/int.d/gdm restart

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Nostahl:

or just ctr alt backspace?

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hti_pro:

that works too

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Nostahl:

so if i had multiple tv's aroudn the house

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Nostahl:

i could setup one backend

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Nostahl:

and the rest frontends eh

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hti_pro:

absolutely

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Nostahl:

and it'll serve multiple movies and whatnot

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hti_pro:

as long as you have the bandwidth, and as long as your not using wireless you should be good with sd

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hti_pro:

hd would need at least 100M switched network

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Nostahl:

i have an N network if that matters

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hti_pro:

that may work alright, never tried it.

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hti_pro:

N is 104Mbps right??

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EvilGuru:

hti_pro: In theory

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hti_pro:

right

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iamlindoro_:

802.11n is all but unsupported in linux... very very very very few cards/drivers that can do it

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Nostahl:

k just gotta get the svideo cable plugged in

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Nostahl:

and see if it gives picture auto heh

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EvilGuru:

Even then the bandwidth drops out very quickly as the distance increases

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hti_pro:

Nostahl: you will probably have to have it plugged in on boot

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hti_pro:

Is N standardized yet, last i heard you damn near had to have the same brand equipment across your network

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iamlindoro_:

nope, still just proposed

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Nostahl:

k got it plugged in

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Nostahl:

had to manover things heh

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Nostahl:

short cable

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Nostahl:

yep i got svideo on boot

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Nostahl:

wow i have to say it even looks sharper

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hti_pro:

k you still might have to tune your xorg.conf

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Nostahl:

prob imagination heh

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iamlindoro_:

s-video sharper than what?

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hti_pro:

you could be right, i like nvidia card

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Nostahl:

sharper then the ati card

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Nostahl:

i just put in a nvidia 5200 256 meg into it

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iamlindoro_:

meh, per well-trusted sources the ATI TV-out is better, but whatever makes you happy

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iamlindoro_:

in the end it's still just *shudder* S-video

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Nostahl:

heh

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hti_pro:

yes but better than composite

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|Torg|:

shapter then composite I would think

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iamlindoro_:

yet another format I'd never use ;)

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hti_pro:

I wish i could be so lucky

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|Torg|:

you know iamlindoro those yellow single RCA plugs that are usless

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iamlindoro_:

Oh I know them well

[15:54:56]

Nostahl:

tv randomly turned black

[15:54:57]

Nostahl:

hrmm

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hti_pro:

and you have to sit 20 feet away from the tv so the blur doesnt get to you

[15:55:06]

hti_pro:

it should when x starts

[15:55:26]

Nostahl:

oh pft

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Nostahl:

it wasnt black heh

[15:55:32]

Nostahl:

i forgot to set the resolutions

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|Torg|:

alas so do I have a box litterly full of compisite dubbing cables, svideo cables and sorts. Its sitting next to my old dtivo and 2 sd replay units

[15:56:12]

Nostahl:

some day i'll get a flat pannel tv

[15:56:22]

|Torg|:

they sit in amongst the tings my wife refers to as "that old shit" and asks when Im going to trow it out

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Nostahl:

just tryin to pay off past bills

[15:56:40]

Nostahl:

tell her that's where all the fun stuff is :P

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hti_pro:

|Torg|: i hear the same shit from my wife

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hti_pro:

women have a different idea of what fun is

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|Torg|:

my wife LOVES my myth box, youd get your arm chewed off if you tryed to take it away. I think its more about space in the garage she wants

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hti_pro:

I moved from a two bedroom house with a full, and I mean full, basement last year to a 2 bedroom apt. so my closets are full. She can't stand that

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|Torg|:

try taking a 4500 square foot house and putting the stuff in a 1500 square foot house

[16:00:45]

|Torg|:

my TV, *IS* the wall

[16:00:46]

hti_pro:

My wife appreciates the myth box but seems a little scared to use it. I don't understand why, she loved the cable companies dvr

[16:00:50]

Nostahl:

heh

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|Torg|:

make theme, put on it just "Watch TV" and "Watch Recordings" call it WAF theme :)

[16:02:51]

hti_pro:

that may be a dream come true!!! have to add the video library also thought

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KARIM1:

u guys ready for a n00b question -_-

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hti_pro:

we're never ready, but go ahead

[16:04:08]

KARIM1:

:/

[16:04:10]

KARIM1:

lol

[16:04:20]

Ace2016:

hti_pro: have you got a remote with LOTS of buttons?

[16:04:21]

KARIM1:

k , im using mythtv on linuxmce

[16:04:35]

KARIM1:

with hauppage 150 capture card

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hti_pro:

Ace2016: I wouldn't say lots, but i have extras

[16:04:57]

hti_pro:

KARIM1: k

[16:04:58]

KARIM1:

problem being i use a cable box which iv conected thre the arial conection

[16:05:21]

KARIM1:

when i scan for chanels i get the freeair chanels but wont pickup the cable box

[16:05:25]

hti_pro:

you need to get an IR blaster

[16:05:45]

iamlindoro_:

KARIM1: when you're using a cable box, you don't scan for channels

[16:05:45]

hti_pro:

don't change channels with the card but with the blastrer

[16:06:13]

KARIM1:

but iv conected it thru the arial conection (tuner conection)

[16:06:36]

Nostahl:

ok

[16:06:36]

KARIM1:

so i was hping like a old vcr id be able to tune an catch the signel

[16:06:47]

Nostahl:

what do i do about the tv and the monitor

[16:06:52]

Nostahl:

absolute? or what

[16:06:55]

Nostahl:

clones?

[16:07:08]

hti_pro:

Nostahl: that's depends on preference

[16:07:16]

iamlindoro_:

KARIM1: nope. When you use a STB you have to get them from a listings source, and you would need to tune with an IR blaster

[16:07:28]

iamlindoro_:

KARIM1: in any case, we don't support LinuxMCE here, you would need to get support from them

[16:07:35]

KARIM1:

:/

[16:07:36]

iamlindoro_:

#linuxmce, most likely

[16:07:46]

hti_pro:

Nostahl: I have mine setup to spread accross crt and tv, start myth on the tv and regular desktop on crt

[16:07:48]

KARIM1:

k was hoping as its mythtv u may have an insight

[16:07:53]

iamlindoro_:

as they pretty much rip out most of mythTV and put their own stuff in

[16:07:58]

KARIM1:

ahh

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KARIM1:

ok

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KARIM1:

:/

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hti_pro:

you have to adjust /usr/share/mythtv/mythfrontend.sh so that myth is on the tv and not the crt

[16:08:14]

iamlindoro_:

KARIM1: That is our insight. You don't channel scan with a STB. seek help from them on their weirdo cruft

[16:08:17]

Nostahl:

k

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KARIM1:

lolol

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KARIM1:

oki bro

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Nostahl:

so separate x servers?

[16:08:39]

KARIM1:

thanks for the help :)

[16:08:53]

hti_pro:

i use a single x server

[16:08:57]

Ace2016:

does linuxmce use mythtv backend? and just add a fancy UI?

[16:09:13]

KARIM1:

well looks the same to me

[16:09:17]

KARIM1:

but im n00b

[16:09:17]

KARIM1:

:/

[16:09:17]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, they use Mythbackend, but that's about it

[16:09:21]

hti_pro:

just spread the desktop accross both and set myth to start up in a certain area of the desktop, ie.. the tv

[16:10:04]

hti_pro:

Nostahl: I can send you my xorg.conf file if you want, should be able to drop in and restart gdm

[16:10:30]

hti_pro:

minor adjustment to mythfronted.sh is needed though

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Nostahl:

k

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Nostahl:

paste bin it

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Nostahl:

so i can look it up on the myth box

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hti_pro:

Nostahl: heres xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/1056489

[16:14:24]

Nostahl:

i got it split across both screens now

[16:14:38]

Nostahl:

is that all you have for xorg that it does?

[16:15:02]

hti_pro:

yes

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Nostahl:

k so i got that working

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hti_pro:

exec mythfrontend --logfile -geometry 1024x768+1024+0 "${MYTHFELOG}" "${MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS}"

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hti_pro:

that is the modified line in /usr/share/mythtv/mythfrontend.sh

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Nostahl:

k

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Nostahl:

lets try it out

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hti_pro:

that is assuming the TV is set up to be right of the crt

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Nostahl:

aye it is

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hti_pro:

the line is toward the end

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Nostahl:

ok

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Nostahl:

after the else

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Nostahl:

echo starting myth frontend.real etc?

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Nostahl:

woot

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Nostahl:

workes perfectly

[16:25:49]

Nostahl:

exept for its showing the task bar up top

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Nostahl:

i just gotta figure out how to get that only on the desktop

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hti_pro:

mine only shows up on whichever screen is to the left

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hti_pro:

btw sorry, went awol for a sec

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hti_pro:

if you right click on the taskbar and click customize panel

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hti_pro:

you can set it in there

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hti_pro:

have you tried to start myth yet

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Ace2016:

Nostahl: what distro is that?

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hti_pro:

mythbuntu

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tank-man:

hti_pro, you also use a ir remote?

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Tomas-:

woho! new mplayer solved my clipping DTS sound

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hti_pro:

yep

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tank-man:

i have a multi screen setup and mythtv doesnt respond to ir remote when it doesnt have focus

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hti_pro:

I think mine does, let me check, usually when i am messing around on the desktop i just have a movie playing and i'm not really messing with it

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Kyler:

tank-man: I recall when installing my RF remote that it could run with keyboard emulation or directly recognized by Myth. It sounds like you're using keyboard emulation. Does that make any sense?

[16:46:45]

tank-man:

i'm not using keyboard emulation

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Kyler:

hmmm...then why would focus matter???

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tank-man:

exactly

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hti_pro:

does another app that recognizes the remote have focus

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Kyler:

irw works in a terminal that doesn't have focus, right?

[16:48:03]

tank-man:

mythfronend will recognize key presses sometimes without focus

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hti_pro:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

What you are talking about is a limitation of LIRC, not myth. But yes, myth must have focus to get LIRC commands

[16:48:49]

iamlindoro_:

ergo all the problems with broken WMs that handle focus improperly

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tank-man:

if its a known problem, i can live with it

[16:50:04]

Kyler:

LIRC certainly doesn't require a client to have a window with focus. (I have a background LIRC monitor.) There should be a simple way to shove the lirc data into Myth.

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Kyler:

I recall a tool for sending LIRC data over the network...lessee...

[16:50:32]

MukiEX:

Is there any way to use a hardware identifier of some sort instead of /dev/videox ?

[16:51:19]

GreyFoxx:

Muk: Nope

[16:51:54]

GreyFoxx:

If your stuff is changing device names, you should check into configuring udev to always ensure a specific card has a specific device name

[16:51:58]

Kyler:

No...the problem isn't that lirc isn't providing the data but Myth is ignoring it. So providing more lirc plumbing outside Myth wouldn't help.

[16:52:24]

hti_pro:

myth does not have to have focus. I was just using the remote and typing in a terminal simultaneously

[16:52:34]

Kyler:

tank-man: Have you considered running Myth in a nested X session? Then it could always have focus.

[16:52:49]

GreyFoxx:

I missed the start of this, is an app spawed by myth, or one you seperately executed ?

[16:53:03]

tank-man:

hti_pro, try without focus and press the button to bring up the tv guide/schedule (s on keyboard)

[16:53:28]

tank-man:

keypresses after will be ignored it seems

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hti_pro:

to use the keyboard to control myth it does have to have focus

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tank-man:

dont use the keyboard, i'm just saying its s on the keyboard

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|Torg|:

hmm Focus is a definate windows convention and as such has no use to Linux or Unix in general. Pay attention to STDOUT, STDIN and STDERR all done with redirects

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hti_pro:

oh

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hti_pro:

im not sure i have it mapped to the remot

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hti_pro:

hang on letme do that

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Kyler:

hti_pro: Regardless, your Myth has no problems getting lirc commands when it doesn't have focus, right?

[16:54:41]

hti_pro:

right

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Kyler:

I still think tank-man is using keyboard emulation.

[16:55:08]

GreyFoxx:

Assuming myth didn't spawn the other application, thne it should see the lirc events

[16:55:20]

GreyFoxx:

if lirc is sending fake keystrokes it wouldn't see it

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GreyFoxx:

without focus

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Ace2016:

I have an idea!!!!

[16:56:21]

tank-man:

seems like the direction keys on the remote are ignored when im at the program guide screen with the tv picture in pip size (when the frontned doesnt have focus)

[16:56:24]

hti_pro:

if he uses a different app to play videos and such it may have a different effect, I use only the internal player

[16:56:33]

Ace2016:

white gold plated HDMI cables!! they're $600 and i'm selling them now

[16:56:50]

Kyler:

tank-man: Open a terminal window. Give it focus. Press some keys on your remote. What happens?

[16:57:10]

tank-man:

keys will affect the mythfrontend

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tank-man:

when focus is in irc client

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tank-man:

except when im at the program guide

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|Torg|:

Ace2016: I have alink for some really nice CAT6 audio only cables, I believe they are about $1200 and no im not joking

[16:58:24]

Kyler:

tank-man: So Myth is only ignoring some remote buttons in some screens when it doesn't have focus?

[16:58:33]

tank-man:

yes

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hti_pro:

I have seen $6000 power cords

[16:59:07]

tank-man:

its ignoring hte diretion key presses (up down left right), i can press exit/back to get out of the program guide

[16:59:08]

Ace2016:

|Torg|: i would like to see this link

[16:59:43]

iamlindoro_:

it's $500ish IIRC

[16:59:54]

iamlindoro_:

http://reviews.cnet.com/av-cables/denon-link- . . . 3060924.html

[16:59:57]

Kyler:

tank-man: And the key presses don't send anything to the window that _does_ have focus then, right?

[17:00:07]

tank-man:

right

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Kyler:

tank-man: Have you run irw to see what's being received then?

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tank-man:

tried just now

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tank-man:

irw showing the keypresses

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|Torg|:

thanks iamlindoro I could have sworn it was more, but whats another $500 to an already 1000x overprices cable anyway

[17:01:30]

tank-man:

mythtv is ignoring them when at program guide menu

[17:01:51]

tank-man:

(ignoring the direction keypresses, exit/back works)

[17:03:02]

Kyler:

tank-man: _I'd_ bang my head against this wall by assigning one of the ignored keys to do the exit/back command to see if that works.

[17:03:39]

hti_pro:

i am trying to map my guide button to s but myth doesnt seem to pick it up

[17:03:46]

Kyler:

(IOW, is the key/button really ignored or is the command for it problematic?)

[17:04:23]

tank-man:

hti_pro, you can access the program guide while watching livetv from the menu

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Kyler:

hti_pro: Do you want to map it to "s" or map it to the command that "s" activates?

[17:04:28]

tank-man:

menu->program guide

[17:04:34]

hti_pro:

I got it mapped and dir buttons work on remote while typing in terminal

[17:05:06]

hti_pro:

Kyler: well all my buttons are mapped to the respective keyboard keys and that works so i think i will stick with it

[17:05:46]

tank-man:

hti_pro, can you try pressing S on the keyboard while watching tv, then move focus to somethng else and try the remote then

[17:05:54]

hti_pro:

i take that back, the dir buttons work for one move and then stop

[17:06:07]

tank-man:

yes, thats what i experience

[17:06:11]

hti_pro:

i think its something in the program guide

[17:08:44]

tank-man:

i'm ok with this bug if everyone has to suffer too :)

[17:08:58]

hti_pro:

i think thats the case

[17:09:34]

hti_pro:

does anyone use a hauppauge usbpvr2 card

[17:10:05]

hti_pro:

every once in a while myth will err out on access the card, but cat /dev/video0 >> test.mpg still works

[17:11:38]

hti_pro:

TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start

[17:12:21]

hti_pro:

any one know what thats about

[17:12:32]

hti_pro:

tried restarting mythbackend but same thing

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hti_pro:

i noticed this a couple months ago, but not recently until now

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zntneo:

on my nuvexport the output it gives looks like this "06 – %t.2.mp4 " anyone know why?

[17:16:47]

zntneo:

i could pastbin my nuvexportrc if you want

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hti_pro:

is there an arg i can give mythv-setup to start fullscreen instead of a window

[17:20:45]

Nostahl:

im on the ripping tab of myth tv

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|Torg|:

-geometry

[17:20:57]

Nostahl:

i dont see options for like xvid

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Nostahl:

or xvid 4 etc

[17:21:06]

Nostahl:

what is it set to

[17:21:10]

Nostahl:

or is it just ripping

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Nostahl:

and then it takes me to transcode screen?

[17:21:34]

hti_pro:

it rips it as an iso then transcodes to video file

[17:21:40]

Nostahl:

k

[17:22:26]

Nostahl:

ty

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Nostahl:

k its ripping

[17:22:32]

Nostahl:

ima go move couch outside

[17:22:39]

Nostahl:

installing new carpet

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zntneo:

anyone know?

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hti_pro:

no experience with nuvexport here

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hti_pro:

this is kinda cool. I have 2 mythfrontends running at the same time.

[17:25:38]

clever:

i had about 7 frontends running

[17:25:42]

clever:

and playing the same file

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clever:

and the master didnt have a problem

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waini:

hi

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waini:

i have some trubble with mythtranscode

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waini:

after 2min mythtrancode uses 90% of my memory (1GB)

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tank-man:

wow

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waini:

and it looks like that mythtrancode does nothing

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clever:

ive had mythtranscode get 242% finished

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clever:

and produce a file 4x the orignals size

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waini:

i think that sould not happen

[17:30:27]

clever:

i know

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clever:

should atleast ad an assert so it can never get past 110%

[17:31:27]

waini:

any idea for fixing my problem?

[17:31:43]

hti_pro:

wait

[17:31:48]

hti_pro:

lol :)

[17:33:02]

waini:

than the swap is also very busy

[17:39:13]

Ace2016_:

memory leak?

[17:41:05]

waini:

yes

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Nostahl:

ouch! its tellin me 2:09 hours to rip this movie!

[17:42:16]

Ace2016_:

so?

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Ace2016_:

thats fast,

[17:42:40]

Ace2016_:

it took me 5 hours to rip a DVD

[17:42:49]

Ace2016_:

but i think i did way too many passes

[17:42:54]

waini:

any ideas for the memory leak?

[17:43:16]

Nostahl:

im not talking about transcoding

[17:43:19]

Nostahl:

im just talking about the rip

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Ace2016_:

what application is taking up the memory?

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Nostahl:

should be 13 to 30 minutes to rip

[17:43:25]

waini:

i am using the version from debian multimedia

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waini:

mythtrancode

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waini:

no ideas?

[17:54:54]

sebrock:

I found out why my HD LED kept blinking 1–2 times/second. It was not due to any abnormal HD activity but was my stupid samsung dvd-rw

[17:55:10]

Nostahl:

what would cause this to rip sooo sloow

[17:55:26]

sebrock:

is there a way to disable that? I dont really understand why its causing the blinking

[17:55:39]

Strex:

Nostahl, could it be a dvd drive speed issue?

[17:56:11]

Nostahl:

ah i think i did see it set to 2 somewhere before?

[17:56:28]

Strex:

same here, trying to find it now.

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Nostahl:

k found it

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Nostahl:

dvd drive speed 2

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Nostahl:

what should i set it too

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Strex:

I would try 0 for auto.

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asmussen:

Hi, Nostahl. Did you figure out your audio problem from last night?

[17:58:12]

Nostahl:

not yet asmussen

[17:58:15]

Nostahl:

just got back on

[17:58:27]

asmussen:

Me too. Just hanging out for a few minutes before I drive into the office.

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Nostahl:

strex its givin me multiples ie 2x 4x etc

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Strex:

Nostahl whats the highest it will go?

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Nostahl:

12

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Strex:

Ideally I think this should be set to the speed of your drive, but then again your drive can only go so fast, so I would set it to 12 and see what happens...

[18:00:31]

Nostahl:

k set to 12

[18:00:36]

Nostahl:

should i restart the rip

[18:02:07]

sebrock:

anyone knows if its possible to disable led on IDE activity such as a DVD reader?

[18:03:06]

Ace2016_:

Nostahl: does your drive support 12x?

[18:03:29]

Nostahl:

not sure

[18:04:11]

Strex:

sebrock, you could always pull the jumper..

[18:04:36]

Strex:

:p

[18:06:38]

sebrock:

Strex, I was thinking of some parameter to push to the kernel or something

[18:06:58]

sebrock:

extremly annoying considering its a thin client (frontend only)

[18:07:09]

sebrock:

blink....blink...blink :D

[18:07:18]

sebrock:

anyway, finally found the source though

[18:07:23]

asmussen:

Nothing a piece of duct tape won't solve, setbrock. :)

[18:07:55]

asmussen:

*sebrock

[18:08:00]

waini:

http://pastebin.com/m69fee853 – here the nuvexport output (abortet the trancoding after 1min, because of mythtrancode has allocatet 90% of my memory)

[18:08:28]

Nostahl:

is it ripping so slow cause its doing iso copy?

[18:08:42]

Nostahl:

when i use to use dvd:rip i dont think it did iso copy

[18:08:56]

Nostahl:

just put it into a folder labled video_ts and audio_ts

[18:09:20]

sebrock:

asmussen, that would not go very well with my initial design :P

[18:10:38]

asmussen:

Picky, picky... :P

[18:10:54]

waini:

any ideas for me?

[18:11:41]

asmussen:

sebrock: Are you talking about an LED that's part of the drive itself, or one that's in your case? If it's in your case, I agree with Strex about just disconnecting the LED from the motherboard.

[18:12:42]

sebrock:

the one on the case

[18:12:50]

sebrock:

but I still want to see HD activity

[18:14:12]

asmussen:

Oh... Yeah, I don't think you can do that.

[18:15:13]

asmussen:

Since the LED is driven by the hardware itself, I think it's just going to come on whenever the motherboard is using one of the devices attached. I don't think you'll be able to affect that behavior from the OS.

[18:16:18]

sebrock:

thing is I had another drive before and this was not an issue then

[18:16:38]

sebrock:

if I unplug it now and monitor activity, mtd keeps complaining

[18:16:59]

sebrock:

anyhow, this didnt happen with a NEC drive, just this stupid samsung drive

[18:17:04]

asmussen:

Really? I couldn't even begin to guess why that would be... Were both drives the same type of drive? I.E. IDE or SATA, or whatever.

[18:17:19]

GreyFoxx:

Try disabling mythfrontends MediaMonitor

[18:17:30]

sebrock:

did that

[18:17:41]

GreyFoxx:

and restarted mythfrontend ?

[18:19:03]

sebrock:

this happend regardless of mythtv

[18:19:11]

sebrock:

its not a myth issue really :P

[18:19:43]

sebrock:

apologize for that

[18:20:18]

sebrock:

anyhow, how does that monitor work? It monitors if anything is inserted and then pops up?

[18:20:35]

sebrock:

are SD-readers and stuff still accessable withot the monitor

[18:21:54]

Nostahl:

is there a way to have myth find movie posters online auto?

[18:23:22]

Nostahl:

lol

[18:23:27]

Nostahl:

trying to watch movie first time

[18:23:35]

Nostahl:

now that i swaped video cards

[18:23:38]

Nostahl:

no audio

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Nostahl:

looks like it switched itself to the onboard sound

[18:26:35]

Nostahl:

nope

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Nostahl:

hrmm

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Nostahl:

i should see if i can disable onboard audio in bios

[18:30:31]

Nostahl:

i beleive all movies are playing with the nvidia graphics card heh

[18:32:19]

Nostahl:

whats the default command for mplayer for you guys

[18:32:29]

Nostahl:

its somethin like mplayer -fs -zoom xv %s

[18:32:34]

Nostahl:

there's more right?

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Nostahl:

-vo?

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sebrock:

check wiki

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sebrock:

dont remember

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sebrock:

nope its the god damn DVD drive that causing this shit

[18:38:37]

Nostahl:

i dont see in the wiki

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Nostahl:

got a link?

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sebrock:

www.mythtv.org

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clever:

-vo xv

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Nostahl:

k

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Nostahl:

question now

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Nostahl:

i have it setup with -geomety for myth to only show on the tv

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clever:

though -zoom isnt realy needed with xv

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Nostahl:

so i just tryed through mplayer

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clever:

then youll probly need to give myth the same geom

[18:42:14]

Nostahl:

and it showed up on both screens streatched

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Strex:

anyone know the steps mythcommflag takes to do it's job. Ie, is there a way of improving it's performance?

[18:42:34]

Nostahl:

so in the player command can i do -geometry command too?

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clever:

-geometry works on nearly every graphic program there is

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iamlindoro_:

Just use the Internal play instead of mplayer, as you should, and you won't have this issue

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Nostahl:

was just chekcing out mplayer sincei t was set to default anyways

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Strex:

Nostahl, i agree with iamlindoro

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clever:

Strex: when i run it on my core2duo it races along so fast the harddrive cant keep up

[18:44:29]

clever:

and thats when doing 2 jobs at once

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Strex:

clever, must be nice.. lol

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clever:

thats dads work pc:P

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clever:

but if he is home and not using it, i netboot it into a slave backend

[18:45:05]

clever:

which means i dont even need to touch his hdd

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Strex:

mine seems to take about half the lengeth of the show, so a 1 hr show takes about 30min to flag..

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clever:

something id like to add to the jobqueue is info on how long the job took

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Strex:

I know some of that is disk I/O and can be imporved with another drive in the storage group..

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Strex:

that would be helpful.

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clever:

80% of my storage is a single storage group on lvm

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clever:

spread over 4 drives

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clever:

which is on the master server

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clever:

the nfsroot for all the netbooting ones and the --prefix for mythtv is also on that massive lvm

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clever:

every box in the house nfs mounts it and adds it to PATH and /etc/ld.so.conf

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waini:

hi again

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waini:

i am looking for a soulution for my mythtranscode (nuvexport) memory leak

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waini:

is that a known problem – i am using 0.21 from debian multimedia

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waini:

?

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waini:

?

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iamlindoro_:

Maybe you could spam the room with some more question marks, then people will be *really* eager to help

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tara0101:

can I use an apple remote through LIRC even though I don't have a mac?

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iamlindoro_:

If you have a receiver that will pick up the IR signals, then you can use any remote you like

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iamlindoro_:

be warned that some receivers have trouble with certain types of remotes. But theoretically, yes, it's perfectly possible

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tara0101:

iamlindoro_, I have a compal ifl90 but I'm not sure what drivers to use for the built-in IR

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otwin:

tara0101: from personal experience: you don't want to control mythtv with a 6 button remote

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tara0101:

ok, well I just wanted something as a stop-gap until I get a good remote

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Ace2016_:

Which is better H109 or CT100?

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tara0101:

how do I configure the built-in IR receiver for my laptop?

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Strex:

tara0101, do you have any idea what kind of connection it usees?

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clever:

i cant even get those to work in irda mode:P

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tara0101:

Strex: i'm sorry I have no idea. It's just a built in one in my compal ifl90

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tara0101:

Strex: does CIR make sense?

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clever:

ive heard that consumer ir devices can be used

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clever:

but have no idea how

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Strex:

tara0101 I would checkout the lirc section of the wiki first.

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tara0101:

Strex, ok thanks

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Tomas-:

Is there support for muting spdif output inside mythtv or do I need to do it externaly?

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Strex:

Tomas- you could mute it via alsa-mixer but that's not within mythtv yet (I Believe).

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Strex:

it would have to be done from the console.

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black_Nightmare_:

any of you have any thought on analog verus silicon tuner chips? (in regarding to tv tuner pci cards)

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Tomas-:

Strex: yeah.. I'm doing it with irexec now

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Tomas-:

found this http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-users/msg00284.html

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EvilGuru:

Yay! My mythtv database just went past 1.5M rows

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Nostahl:

heh

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black_Nightmare_:

^-^

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Strex:

lol

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Nostahl:

you just reminded me

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Nostahl:

to grab all my cd's to start the ripping session today

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clever:

now where did my phpmyadmin go...

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clever:

ah there!

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clever:

it isnt in the dir index

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clever:

99 tables!

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clever:

1,225,807 rows

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clever:

EvilGuru: you got me beat:P

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EvilGuru:

89 tables :(

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clever:

545k rows in recordedseek

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clever:

one for every second(or half second) in every recording

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EvilGuru:

1.4M in recordseek

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clever:

lol

[20:20:04]

clever:

82k in credits

[20:20:20]

clever:

48k in the allshows table(custom unfinished patch)

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EvilGuru:

Only 22k in credits (top trumps anyone?)

[20:20:44]

clever:

34k in program

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clever:

the allshows table scrapes certain columns out of program

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clever:

so i have a list of every title/subtitle ive ever come across

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clever:

which i coudl then stamp over recordings missing a subtitle

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Nostahl:

myth rips to mp3 right?

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Nostahl:

default

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clever:

mp3 or ogg

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Nostahl:

i'll rip this first cd and check

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Nostahl:

gotta make sure its mp3

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Nostahl:

so i can use mp3 player too

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

its in the options

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clever:

options->media->music->ripper

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Nostahl:

what quality do you think i should go with

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clever:

depends on how much diskspace you have

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clever:

weee segfault!

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Nostahl:

40 and a 20 gig hd

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clever:

and how many songs you want to fit on the mp3 player:P

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Nostahl:

figured i'd use this myth box to make playlists and such too

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Nostahl:

and i can just throw a playlist different each time i want somethin new

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Nostahl:

so thats that i guess heh

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Nostahl:

how many megs is a perfect mp3 run usualy

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clever:

dont know

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Nostahl:

we'll see then :)

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Nostahl:

does myth auto find album art?

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clever:

dont know

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Nostahl:

hehe

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Lynet:

Try and find out..

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Nostahl:

guess that will be suprize too :)

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clever:

weee

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clever:

running gdb on my dump nearly crashed the bot

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clever:

it used so much ram

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Tomas-:

3M rows in my mythconverg db

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Nostahl:

looks like it didnt auto get album art

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Varak_:

have any of you ever gotten a skywalker-1 to work with myth?

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Varak_:

mine will scan, and get certian tp's, but the epg tv tells me no signal

[20:46:43]

Varak_:

someone told me to convert H values to V

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Varak_:

i was wondering if anyone knew wtf that meant and how to do it with myth?

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Nostahl:

hey guys anyone running mini itx systems?

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clever:

i dont have any but my laptops are faily small

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/laptop/img_3087.jpg

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clever:

remove the lcd and you cut the weight/height in half

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clever:

and that one has builtin tvout

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Nostahl:

hehe

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clever:

so you could easily slip it over the audio amp

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clever:

and use it for a frontend

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black_Nightmare_:

nostahl I've looked at one for some time but no need yet (I already have a fair pc here so figured)

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clever:

one of the bigger problems

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clever:

the tvout on ati is tricky to use

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clever:

and when i do finaly force it to work the brightness is off the scale

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Nostahl:

i want this board i seen it was core2duo 4 gigs ddr2 ram there were 3 pci ports 1 express 1 mini express and 1 regular

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Nostahl:

you could have rockin graphics card and laptop wifi module and a nice soundcard on a system like that

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clever:

i have a core2duo laptop

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clever:

it lacks tvout though

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clever:

ive allready got it netbooting

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EvilGuru:

clever: Isn't the world going HDMI

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clever:

this has vga out i beleive

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clever:

ive allready got it netbooting from my master

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clever:

with 1 tweak of the bios it will boot from the net by default and not need a hdd

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hti_pro:

the tv-out on my ati card wouldnt work for nothing as long as i had the onboard video card enabled

[21:21:50]

keith4:

ati = SAD FACE

[21:22:04]

clever:

i had to use the 'atitvout' tool

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hti_pro:

i was tryin to use the ati card for tv-out only, and the onboard for crt. wasn't happenin

[21:22:16]

clever:

which interfaces directly with the card and screws up the resolution

[21:22:18]

hti_pro:

clever: that only works on rage cards right

[21:22:25]

clever:

so i then had to cycle the res with xrandr

[21:22:40]

clever:

which left it 'working' and super bright(white washed)

[21:23:00]

clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02)

[21:23:04]

clever:

is the card i had to do it on

[21:23:16]

clever:

nvidia was painless

[21:23:21]

hti_pro:

ok, mine was an aiw. aiw + linux = black hole of pain

[21:23:33]

clever:

i duplicated 3 sections in xorg.conf and pointed it at the 2nd head

[21:23:36]

clever:

instant work

[21:23:50]

hti_pro:

nvidia is a godsend to linux

[21:24:34]

hti_pro:

i haven't spent more than 10 minutes setting up any nvidia card in linux. I have spent 3+ weeks trying to get an ati card to work

[21:24:50]

clever:

the only time i had trouble with nvidia

[21:24:58]

clever:

was installing BOTH ati and nvidia drivers at once

[21:25:08]

clever:

one of them overrides the gl libs for the other

[21:25:16]

clever:

(xorg and client ones)

[21:25:20]

hti_pro:

ooh, that sounds like just saying that is stressful

[21:25:43]

clever:

i had seperate xorg.conf's

[21:25:48]

clever:

with a private modulepath

[21:25:51]

clever:

which had symlinks

[21:25:57]

clever:

so i could handpick which gl lib to use

[21:26:15]

clever:

then i used LD_PRELOAD to load the client side gl lib

[21:26:30]

clever:

but the problem

[21:26:38]

clever:

when gnome starts up it seems to clear LD_PRELOAD

[21:26:43]

clever:

so compiz doesnt catch that

[21:26:50]

clever:

and cant load gl, so it defaults to metacity

[21:27:06]

hti_pro:

does compiz improve mythtv???

[21:27:07]

hti_pro:

i just wish i could set it up with a crt + keyboard as a terminal, and the tvout + remote for x server

[21:27:07]

clever:

i have to start compiz from a terminal(where bashrc resets LD_PRELOAD)

[21:27:14]

black_Nightmare_:

hti_pro re nvidia being godsend I have to agree but hm just one curious offtopic question...

[21:27:20]

clever:

compiz is pretty useless for fullscreen myth

[21:27:20]

black_Nightmare_:

how's 3dfx support?

[21:27:38]

clever:

but on my nvidia laptop, compiz can make xvideo transparent

[21:27:51]

clever:

so i can see thru a mythfrontend(in a window) and double my screen space

[21:28:12]

hti_pro:

I'm not sure i guess, i haven't had any problems with the card, how do I tell?

[21:28:18]

clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)

[21:28:30]

clever:

with that card, xv overlays can be used as 3d textures

[21:28:43]

clever:

which lets compiz manipulate the video(all effects)

[21:29:03]

hti_pro:

clever: I see

[21:29:03]

clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02)

[21:29:13]

clever:

with that ati crap, the effects change the colorkey

[21:29:17]

clever:

causing it to not match

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clever:

then the video just fails to appear in any changed areas, shadows, transparent...

[21:29:52]

hti_pro:

black_Nightmare_: I have never been real big on gaming or video till recently so I honestly have no idea about 3dfx or exactly what it does

[21:30:15]

leprechau:

brb....

[21:30:24]

black_Nightmare_:

hti_pro heh 3dfx is an older company ^-^

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clever:

the most common effect i have is a fade, and you cant fade black so a colorkey of 0 'fixes' it and brings up many weird 'problems'

[21:30:30]

hti_pro:

oh, ok

[21:30:36]

black_Nightmare_:

(used to own tv tuner pci cards for some time too)

[21:31:11]

hti_pro:

i guess that goes to prove how little experience i have with video performance

[21:31:20]

black_Nightmare_:

^-^

[21:31:23]

clever:

i know a fair ammount

[21:31:31]

clever:

and have hacked a few of my problems away

[21:31:47]

hti_pro:

now that I think about it i have some really old 3dfx cards, but i only used them for cli and minimal gui use

[21:31:56]

clever:

i have my window manager set to focus with the mouse

[21:32:08]

clever:

so i simply put the mouse over a window and it gains focus

[21:32:16]

hti_pro:

until about 3 months ago xorg.conf was like black magic

[21:32:18]

hti_pro:

to me anyways

[21:32:22]

black_Nightmare_:

hti_pro trade them to some collector for actually-useless ati rage and early tnt? ^-^

[21:32:26]

black_Nightmare_:

just a random thought heh

[21:32:37]

clever:

whenever mythtv gains/looses focus(including alt+tab in FULLSCREEN)

[21:32:41]

clever:

it will repaint the window

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hti_pro:

i'd rather throw them away, or give them away, than accept an ati card for them

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clever:

and half the time it paints it solid black(not the xv_colorkey) so i loose all video&osd

[21:34:00]

clever:

everybody in here claims im crazy and that it isnt mythtv's fault and wont fix it:P

[21:35:12]

hti_pro:

clever: i use a lot of older equipment that is given to me, everyone thinks i am their junk yard!!, so I get that all the time. problems that no one has ever seemed to run into. It is a headache

[21:35:14]

iamlindoro_:

Both of those things are true, but unrelated

[21:35:25]

black_Nightmare_:

hhti_pro heh ok fair enough because voodoo cards usually are wanted (even the original voodoo1's) by about any kind of 3dfx collectors around the world ^-^

[21:35:28]

sphery:

clever: everyone claims that Myth requires focus when it's in use

[21:35:31]

clever:

lol

[21:35:31]

clever:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz

[21:35:32]

clever:

stepping : 10

[21:35:32]

clever:

cpu MHz : 1513.534

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black_Nightmare_:

just so you know that you can find buyers for yours if you ever need

[21:35:43]

clever:

that cpu seems fast but runs weirdly slow

[21:36:10]

clever:

sphery: i have it playing just fine with it unfocused

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hti_pro:

black_Nightmare_: that's good to know

[21:36:12]

iamlindoro_:

clever: why do you paste three lines when you could say "I have a 1.5 Ghz P4?"

[21:36:15]

clever:

but still ontop

[21:36:22]

clever:

iamlindoro_: i meant to paste 2 but i misclocked

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sphery:

clever: but it doesn't repaint properly without focus...

[21:36:31]

black_Nightmare_:

hti_pro cheers ;)

[21:36:42]

iamlindoro_:

clever: so why paste *2* when you could say "I have a 1.5 Ghz P4?"

[21:36:43]

clever:

sphery: it doesnt even need to repaint, it only needs 1 solid color to stay there 24/7

[21:36:54]

hti_pro:

I run myth without focus all the time and never have a prob

[21:36:58]

clever:

iamlindoro_: im a bit lazy:P

[21:37:03]

iamlindoro_:

seconded

[21:37:28]

clever:

hti_pro: yeah, and with the mouse focus i can easily keep mythtv ontop without making it allways ontop

[21:37:35]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: funny part is even pasting just the first line had all that info...

[21:37:43]

hti_pro:

I have destkop stretched accross crt and tv, myth on the tv use keyboard and mouse for the crt and remote for myth

[21:37:56]

black_Nightmare_:

hti_pro if you don't mind me asking what tv tuner (or video-in anyway) card(s) do you have now?

[21:37:56]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: always stinks of penis-measuring to me

[21:38:07]

clever:

hti_pro: i do the same on my master, but i dont use its keyboard much

[21:38:09]

** sphery thinks hti_pro never uses the program guide **

[21:38:16]

hti_pro:

and despite what everyone tells me myth does NOT have to have focus for remote to work

[21:38:24]

iamlindoro_:

This would be an ideal time to mention how you have a huge Wang computer

[21:38:45]

iamlindoro_:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Laboratories

[21:38:47]

sphery:

hti_pro: go into the program guide (the GUI one, definitely, possibly/probably the LiveTV guide, too)

[21:38:47]

hti_pro:

black_Nightmare_: hauppauge usb pvr 2 card in one, and hauppauge wintv card in another

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black_Nightmare_:

hti_pro hm nice

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hti_pro:

sphery: would be right

[21:39:03]

clever:

on my c600 laptop, i run mythfrontend fullscreen

[21:39:06]

** black_Nightmare_ has a bit of odd multimedia hardwares here **

[21:39:16]

clever:

and alt+tab still screws up the xv every now and then

[21:39:16]

black_Nightmare_:

not sure about sharing it here .. anyone mind?

[21:39:24]

sphery:

hti_pro: and scroll around in there (bet you can't scroll a 2nd time without focus)

[21:39:25]

clever:

i have to alt+tab in and out 20 times to 'fix' it

[21:40:00]

hti_pro:

you are exactly right sphery that is the only problem i have run into

[21:40:20]

sphery:

there are others, but, I guess, if you don't run into them...

[21:40:42]

hti_pro:

I don't watch a whole lot of live tv and if i am browsing the program guide i am not usually messing around on the desktop

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clever:

if i just throw the mouse over to the tvout side

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clever:

i can control it with the keyboard

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hti_pro:

so its not a big deal... what kinds of problems should i expect

[21:41:26]

sphery:

anyway, many of these issues are likely to disappear in 0.22, assuming the mythui conversion is completed before release

[21:42:15]

clever:

one of my problems is that the colorkey getting covered in black

[21:42:22]

hti_pro:

My remote doesn't respond as quickly on my mythbos as it does on the tv so i tend to use the cable box+tv when just watching tv

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fontpo is now known as fontp

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clever:

so i tryed to 'hack' it by setting the colorkey to black

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clever:

so when it messes up theres no color change

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clever:

but if libmythtv detects a colorkey of 0, it changes it to 1

[21:43:36]

clever:

which i changed&recompiled

[21:43:51]

clever:

now my repainting problem is gone

[21:44:01]

clever:

and every black in the screen contains video:P

[21:44:38]

clever:

which has also shown some internal workings of metacity and compiz

[21:45:08]

clever:

with metacity, the FE can tell what parts of the video are covered and not stream those parts to xv

[21:45:36]

clever:

with compiz, it cant tell that so it allways streams the entire video thru XV

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roothorick:

bare minimum for a frontend-only machine, anyone?

[23:24:47]

iamlindoro:

You need to be way, way, way, WAY more specific about what you expect that frontend to do

[23:25:37]

roothorick:

playing back recordings, schedule recordings for an off-machine backend to take care of, playing back arbitrary movies from disc, and maybe a little MAME but that part isn't necessary

[23:25:47]

iamlindoro:

*sigh*

[23:25:59]

iamlindoro:

how about saying what *kind* of recordings, what bitrate, which codec, etc.

[23:26:14]

roothorick:

oh right. It's going to be going to an analog TV, so 480i only

[23:26:36]

roothorick:

and I'd like it to look good enough that the analog format does more damage than the encoding/decoding

[23:26:53]

iamlindoro:

You can get away with very little, then. PIII 800, 256 MB RAM, decent network card, nvidia or intel graphics

[23:27:19]

roothorick:

and the backend in this setup?

[23:27:34]

clever:

i have a 400mhz PII which can handle sdtv(analog)

[23:27:59]

iamlindoro:

Assuming you are using hardware encoders and you don't expect lightning fast commercial flagging or transcoding, about the same is fine

[23:28:14]

clever:

yes the 400mhz flags damn slow

[23:28:15]

roothorick:

actually, it's a frame grabber

[23:28:28]

clever:

my 1.6ghz P4 has trouble with my frame grabber:P

[23:28:41]

clever:

99% load and it cant play while recording

[23:28:44]

clever:

or even sneeze

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iamlindoro:

roothorick:Then don't expect it *ever* to look good

[23:29:29]

roothorick:

iamlindoro: actually, I've done manual recording off it and it looks pretty good... I am aware of the processing overhead involved in using frame grabbers though

[23:29:44]

roothorick:

so I'll probably need a pretty high-end system eh?

[23:29:52]

iamlindoro:

roothorick: "actually"s aside, if you think it looks good then you're not familiar with the alternatives

[23:30:03]

iamlindoro:

or should see an optometrist

[23:30:36]

sphery:

In theory, with a good frame grabber, you can actually make the video look better than from a hardware encoder because of the postprocessing (filters) you can do.

[23:30:41]

roothorick:

iamlindoro: my eyes are fine thank you. And I can't tell the difference between the frame grabber and straight TV.

[23:31:00]

sphery:

But, I'll admit that in practice it's hard to do.

[23:31:04]

iamlindoro:

If the second is true, then the first is not ;)

[23:31:36]

roothorick:

well, there IS a difference, but I assumed it was caused by the scaling of the videocard. GeForce 2 with a Conexant encoder.

[23:31:38]

iamlindoro:

but hey, if you can't tell the difference then more power to you

[23:31:51]

roothorick:

binary drivers of course

[23:31:55]

sphery:

and, yes, you should get a pretty powerful system.

[23:32:03]

clever:

sphery: yes you could process the noise out before you encoded

[23:32:10]

clever:

but then it would need EVEN MORE cpu power!

[23:32:13]

sphery:

yep

[23:32:28]

clever:

i can bearly get it to work with rtjpeg

[23:32:29]

roothorick:

in that case I may as well get ready for 1080p

[23:32:37]

roothorick:

and that will involve mucho dinero

[23:32:54]

roothorick:

the kind that makes me want to buy a new server and desktop first

[23:33:18]

sphery:

I'm generally a big fan of "let the software do everything" (i.e. I'll /never/ use "hardware decode"), but when it comes to encoding analog TV, it's not worth it--the analog TV is so poor quality in the first place...

[23:34:43]

roothorick:

does recording digital video cost anything CPU-wise?

[23:34:50]

roothorick:

assuming you don't transcode

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sphery:

I will admit that if I had a need, I'd do HDTV encoding with a hardware encoder (HD-PVR), but in that case a) it's a necessity with modern general-purpose CPU's, and b) HDTV is good enough quality that full control over processing isn't required (kind of the opposite of SDTV).

[23:35:05]

clever:

its allready encoded so its basicaly just copying the digital stream

[23:35:11]

sphery:

roothorick: no, the digital is already encoded

[23:35:16]

clever:

bearly any cpu power(same as hardware encoding analog)

[23:36:09]

roothorick:

hm

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sphery:

roothorick: only reason to encode HDTV is if you have a cable company and they encrypt the HDTV channels you want Myth to record. Then, you'll need to rent an STB (or several) from your cable company to decrypt the video and output via component to an HD-PVR.

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sphery:

Oh, and you'll have to be patient as the drivers are a work in progress and MythTV support isn't here, yet.

[23:36:51]

sphery:

(BTW, the above applies to satellite companies, too.)

[23:36:52]

roothorick:

I remember playing with that

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sphery:

Basically, if you want over-the-air HDTV, you're good to go. If you're in the US and you want cable channels in HDTV (other than the local OTA channels), you need the HD-PVR.

[23:38:27]

roothorick:

yeah... unfortunate

[23:39:11]

sphery:

even with the HD-PVR, though, there's not /that/ much CPU involved, since the HD-PVR does the heavy lifting (encoding) and the CPU just does the USB to read the data.

[23:39:27]

clever:

same as an analog hardware encoder

[23:39:38]

sphery:

though PCI is more efficient than USB

[23:39:50]

clever:

from the sounds of it, im guessing your just hardware encoding a analog hd signal?

[23:40:03]

clever:

higher res but not much more diff then sdtv

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sphery:

just decided... The official mythtv database backup script will have support for backing up xmltvid's to make full channel scans easier.

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monkeyBox:

Odd. mythfrontend is crashing every time I try to watch live tv on my PVR-150. I have a PCHDTV-5500 tuner and a PVR-150, When I select Menu -> Switch Input , I hear the audio from the tuner for a second and then mythfrontend crashes. Has anyone else experienced this?

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madfactor:

ne1 have any experience with the 0.21 E image?

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madfactor:

I am so close I can smell it. (hehe)

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