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Wednesday, June 25th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: unsupported

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iamlindoro:

champion__: the myth wiki is the comprehensive source of info

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DarkD:

hmm yeh i see that :'(

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DarkD:

how is the hvr1600 support going.. is it stable for atsc?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, both sides are in the normal linuxTV drivers now, and supported

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DarkD:

cool

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DarkD:

lol i just bought a mobo with an onboard Nvidie with ATSC :)

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iamlindoro:

perish that thought for linux, no support

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DarkD:

:( oh

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DarkD:

its actualy hdmi though

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DarkD:

with a dvi adapter

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DarkD:

sorry

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DarkD:

dvi with hdmi

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DarkD:

linux doenst support dvi?

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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iamlindoro:

Of course it does-- what in the world were you talking about re: ATSC then?

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Smot poker

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iamlindoro:

exactly

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DarkD:

lol

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DarkD:

shut up :(

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iamlindoro:

I assume you meant HDMI when you said ATSC

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DarkD:

long day

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iamlindoro:

in which case onboard nVidia GPUs work fine, as does HDMI out

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DarkD:

lol

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DarkD:

onboard dvi video vard..

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DarkD:

now all i need is an hdtv..

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Dagmar:

ALiveNF7G-FullHD FTW

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iamlindoro:

Just bought equipment to convert HDMI to component and strip HDCP so that I can tell the media companies to suck my balls for the forseeable future

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iamlindoro:

Yay HD-PVR

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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iamlindoro:

I'll be happily capturing 1080 when they turn off component outs

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PatrickDK:

iamlindoro, nice :)

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Dagmar:

Now that I've read their petition, I'm somewhat shocked someone at the FCC didn't just tell them to piss off immediately

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GreyFoxx:

the hd fury ?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: yeah, monoprice has it at half price

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Wow... what did that cost?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: did try with those cables, by the way, no go

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: $80

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: wow, not bad!

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Dagmar:

It's pretty damn obvious they intend to declare as much "regular" TV as they can to be SOC-restricted, just because they will be selling full season DVDs later

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iamlindoro:

yeah, $150 at their site, so $80 is a bargain :)

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GreyFoxx:

wow, $80

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PatrickDK:

so I guess you need one per capture card

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DarkD:

any one know where i can fine a mini board that can run myth?

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GreyFoxx:

I might pick one up even though I dont need it

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PatrickDK:

so we are looking at what, $200–300 per channel to record?

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iamlindoro:

PatrickDK: yeah, only have the disposable income for one today, but it's enough to test and see how I far

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Dagmar:

Patrick: Yeah, consumer choise is great isn't it?

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iamlindoro:

er how I fare

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Dagmar:

You either pay into the monopoly, or you pay a damn fortune

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Dagmar:

Darkd: ALiveNF7G-FullHD

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iamlindoro:

The galling part is that I've never shared a recording in my life, I just want to be able to watch on my box

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DarkD:

Dagmar: what bout a case?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

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Dagmar:

http://evildagmar.livejournal.com/53710.html

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GreyFoxx:

iaml: Yeah, that does suck. The assumption you are and evren pirate out to topple their business :)

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GreyFoxx:

s/evren/evil

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iamlindoro:

yeah :(

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RabidLockerGnome:

hey all, having some trouble getting my tv tuner to do anything

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DarkD:

DarkD: ncie thanx i might build this for the gf

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iamlindoro:

although I admit I like to remove commercials and "archive" my shows

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GreyFoxx:

iam: Im just glad my local cable go is enlightened and enable everything

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iamlindoro:

which I guess dips into their DVD sales

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DarkD:

DarkD: just wonder how hot it gets..

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Didn't they used to have an HDMI to component converter?

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DarkD:

dagar : just wonder how hot it gets..

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PatrickDK:

iamlindoro, what did you use to convert the vga to component?

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iamlindoro:

A box called the Box1020

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iamlindoro:

http://www.curtpalme.com/Box1020.shtm

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DarkD:

anyway im off

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DarkD:

bye guys

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PatrickDK:

I wonder if that can take 12v input

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PatrickDK:

I don't understand why people want to use odd voltages

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Dagmar:

DarkD: http://pastebin.com/d39659341

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Dagmar:

Any more dumb questions?

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J-e-f-f-A:

PatrickDK: It probably needs +/- voltages, hence the AC input.

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PatrickDK:

oh heh, I didn't read :)

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DarkD:

46.. kind hot :(

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Dagmar:

Jesus $149

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DarkD:

anyway im out

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DarkD:

thanx dagar

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PatrickDK:

I just hate 9v stuff period :)

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DarkD:

bye

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Dagmar:

Yeah of course it's hot. It's freaking 83F in the apartmnet

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iamlindoro:

My CPU is surrently reporting -123 C

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iamlindoro:

haha

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PatrickDK:

heh, the diode must of went bad :)

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iamlindoro:

It seems to occasionally flicker into some insane negative value, I love when I catch that

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PatrickDK:

heh

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iamlindoro:

half a second later it seems to go right again

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Dagmar:

Wow. not only can he not be bothered to do his own research, but he won't read when GIVEN research, and isn't bright enough to read report data properly either

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PatrickDK:

my cpu is at 28c

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: wait... me?

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Dagmar:

No that DarkD guy

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iamlindoro:

ah, I see, I hadn't read the pastebin

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Dagmar:

I'm still in the "let's try to break it" phase of testing

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Dagmar:

...which is why I have the two giant tricool fans on the side of the case *off* and well, it's summer and I'm cheap so the AC is off in the apartment

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Dagmar:

So yeah, it's GOING to be running the CPU a little on the warm side

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PatrickDK:

dagmar, my system is water cooled

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PatrickDK:

my case was made for a 200mhz cpu

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Dagmar:

Patrick: My system doesn't sound like a dorm fridge.

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PatrickDK:

this 3.6ghz is way too much for the cases designed heatload

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PatrickDK:

my system makes no sound at all

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Nostahl:

lol

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PatrickDK:

I have <1000rpm speed fans, of 80cm or larger to cool the water, and that is all

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PatrickDK:

nice and quiet

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Dagmar:

I can hear the NetVista X41 that was sitting on the coffee table behind me six feet away better than staring at that NSK2480 from about a foot away

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iamlindoro:

I never go near my system and so, like a tree in the forest, it is silent ;)

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Dagmar:

heh

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PatrickDK:

I have to live in the colo on sunday :(

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PatrickDK:

their a/c unit needs a crapload of help

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PatrickDK:

you cant even hear the guy next to you in there, at 100' away from the a/c unit

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Dagmar:

Sounds like someone was neglecting having the tech come out for preventive maintenance

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Dagmar:

...or just not doing it at all

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PatrickDK:

no

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PatrickDK:

the a/c unit has luvers on it

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PatrickDK:

and they just flap in the wind

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PatrickDK:

making a horrid sound

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PatrickDK:

I think they should just remove them, they service no benifit in a place like a colo

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Nostahl:

colo?

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Dagmar:

I think perhaps it's time you replaced the coolers there.

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Dagmar:

"Vintage" is something you only really want in wine and cars.

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PatrickDK:

heh

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PatrickDK:

crap

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PatrickDK:

I thought my show was starting this week

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PatrickDK:

but it's the end of next month :(

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quink:

hola

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quink:

Have any of you tried other options besides mythtv? I'm curious as to the comparisions

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iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_PVR_software_packages

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quink:

I was thinking more along hte lines of an NMT vs mythtv

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quink:

like popcorn hour

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iamlindoro:

They have utterly different purposes

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quink:

Depends on your situation.

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iamlindoro:

Myth is first and foremost a DVR

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quink:

Got att uverse in the house a few months ago so i can't record tv at all.

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quink:

But i really like the mythvideo stuff

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iamlindoro:

Can't imagine why you can't record with uverse, the analog outs work just fine

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quink:

iamlindoro: yeah but then i'd have to get an irblaster, etc

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iamlindoro:

so?

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quink:

and they limit you to 3SD/1HD

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quink:

and with the # of tvs in the house that'd be a limiting factor

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quink:

And since i got it i've basically relied on eztv torrents

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iamlindoro:

bzzzt, that kind of talk isn't welcome here

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quink:

really? hah

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iamlindoro:

yes, really

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quink:

Why?

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quink:

This isn't gradeschool is it?

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iamlindoro:

because this is an up-and-up project and doesn't want any association with stealing shit?

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quink:

Meh. Depends what you are viewing. Plus, technically, if you record stuff like an NFL game you are stealing.

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iamlindoro:

quink: It's not up for discussion, it's against channel rules, so drop it

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quink:

all right.

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quink:

Anyways i was just wondering if people who used myth might have used an NMT and have some impressions

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johnsu01:

I'm getting a consistent crash on my debian testing system whenever I try to import a channels.conf file

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johnsu01:

from the console output, it imports all the channels, but then

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johnsu01:

mythtv-setup: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed.

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johnsu01:

and crashes

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johnsu01:

I'm not sure I need to be importing channels at all, but I was trying it because otherwise I'm getting channel lock errors when trying to change stations

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johnsu01:

hm, clearing out the channels and then trying again seems to have worked

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hachi:

okay, I've got a 16:9 display, and recordings on disk of 4:3 programming :\

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hachi:

I'm changing the option in 'appearance' to try and adjust the aspect ratio of the xinerama display... dunno if this is right or not

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hachi:

but it doesn't change it... I'm ending up with my 4:3 programs being squised out to 16:9, no black bars

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hachi:

anyone.... nevermind

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hachi:

oh, tons of people still here

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hachi:

anyone know how you're supposed to fix the aspect ratio of output?

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crayolarx:

Is the pchdtv 5500 just not meant to record analog? I have an intel q6600 and 4 GBs of memory, so I would think even if it has to do software encoding it still should come out nice, but I just cant seem to get it to work. uggh I have tried everything I just get green lines on the screen

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Dagmar:

Basically, _don't lie_ to the equipment/software.

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Dagmar:

yay netsplits. :/

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hachi:

I coulda sworn there was something about telling X or maybe mythtv the physical size of my display... but I can't find it anymore

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iamlindoro:

crayolarx: software encoding will *never* come out nice, framegrabbing *stinks*

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iamlindoro:

hachi: start a recording, press M, adjust Fill and Zoom

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iamlindoro:

rather, start a playback of a recording

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crayolarx:

So what do you recommend to record regular cable tv?

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harryo:

is anyone using an hdtv wonder to record analog?

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iamlindoro:

crayolarx: Your HD-5500 with the unencrypted digital channels, and a PVR-150 for analog recording

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hachi:

iamlindoro: uhhh... I just tried to do that... and the menu's are no longer visible

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iamlindoro:

hachi: then you have problems greater than aspect ratio

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crayolarx:

hmmm.....

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hachi:

nope, wait

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hachi:

I was in manual zoom mode

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hachi:

I had to get out

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hachi:

iamlindoro: the options you have pointed me to seem to be for making the program show properly if it's 16:9 recording on a 4:3 screen

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hachi:

I'm trying to solve the exact opposite problem

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iamlindoro:

nope, it goes both ways

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iamlindoro:

There are *two* sets of settings, aspect ratio and fill

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hachi:

I will admit that I haven't tried every permutation, but since there are... 64 different permutations... I would love to not have to

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hachi:

do I need to try all 64 combinations to find the right option?

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hachi:

GAH, and every time I change one, it kicks me out of the menu

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wesw02:

probably along shot, but does anyone use run mythfrontend on an apple tv

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iamlindoro:

There are three of each, for nine possible permutations

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Dagmar:

Each what

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iamlindoro:

Three fill options, three aspect ratio options

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Dagmar:

I'm confused as to what *guessing* has to do with any of it

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iamlindoro:

I too am confused about that :)

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Dagmar:

That tells me someone's doing the wrong thing altogether

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hachi:

oh, I can't multiply apparently

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hachi:

but there are 4 options for each

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hachi:

so 16

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hachi:

and I just ran through each... none of which gave me black bars on the side

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hachi:

so that can't be right

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Dagmar:

EACH WHAT

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Dagmar:

What are you trying to *DO*?

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hachi:

I already said!

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hachi:

16:9 display

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hachi:

4:3 recording

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Dagmar:

So what

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hachi:

black bars needed on sides

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Dagmar:

You don't have to *do* anything

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iamlindoro:

Black bars on the side would be the 4:3 aspect ratio setting with no zoom

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iamlindoro:

If you're not getting that then you've screwed up your X settings

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Dagmar:

You have been screwing around in the thing

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Dagmar:

You do NOT need to lie to anything in X or Myth

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hachi:

4:3 setting with no zoom gives me 4:3 recording stretched to 16:9 display ratio

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Dagmar:

hachi: Revert all your settings to default

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Dagmar:

This works *out of the box*

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iamlindoro:

hachi: then, as both I and Dagmar have said, you've tinkered your way to a broken setup

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hachi:

I just built the box last night

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iamlindoro:

undo whatever you've done to "fix" it

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Dagmar:

Well, you fucked it up nice and fast then

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hachi:

sure, I'll undo these menu options you told me to change

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iamlindoro:

"hachi: I'm changing the option in 'appearance' to try and adjust the aspect ratio of the xinerama display... dunno if this is right or not"

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Dagmar:

I have a 16:9 TV and a 16:10 monitor. All that's necessary to do is *set up X correctly*

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iamlindoro:

you were screwing around long before you started asking

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Dagmar:

X will "know" you have a widescreen display

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hachi:

I already undid thaqt

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hachi:

cause you said I didn't need to touch that

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Dagmar:

X and Myth will have no problem putting the 4:3 video right in the middle of it

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hachi:

so I undid it 5 minutes ago

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Dagmar:

What's Xinerama got to do with any of the

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iamlindoro:

hachi: if that were true then you would already have it displaying the way you wanted... you changed *something* which led to it being broken

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hachi:

fine then, hang on a tic while I blow away my DB and start again

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hachi:

should take 30 seconds

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iamlindoro:

If none of the fill and aspect settings had any effect, then you have changed *something* to break it

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Dagmar:

OKay, cool.

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iamlindoro:

Whether that be xorg.conf, or otherwise

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Dagmar:

Don't forget you'll likely have to run through parts of mythtv-setup again real quick

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hachi:

no, I'm just blowing away 'settings'

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hachi:

I have another frontend that does this just fine

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Dagmar:

YOu don't need Xinerama for this by the way

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hachi:

ok

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hachi:

I didn't know, I was just trying to configure it... that's why I twiddled it

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Dagmar:

The only thing you ever need Xinerama for is if you want X to tell your apps you only have one monitor when you really have two

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hachi:

okay, I'm already back up... the recordings (of which I have a few hundred, which play fine on a different 16:9 frontend)

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hachi:

are still showing up stretched

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hachi:

and I'm iterating through the aspect ratio options, which are adding top/bottom bars

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Dagmar:

So basically, you've pooched it with Xinerama ig you have two dissplays

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clever:

Dagmar: or to move a window between the 2 monitors

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Dagmar:

You do not need to screw with the things

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iamlindoro:

your xorg.conf is at issue, then

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hachi:

I didn't touch anything!

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hachi:

I've blown away the settings table

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Dagmar:

It's *possible* that Myth is reacting badly to being told someone has a 2048x800 screen

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Dagmar:

...but unlikely

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hachi:

1280x768

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Dagmar:

Oh i see. YOu only blew away the tables you thought were what needed to be change

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iamlindoro:

hachi: what in god's name does the settings table have to do with us telling you your X config is fucked??

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Dagmar:

Why were you even _mentioning_ Xinerama?

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GreyFoxx:

hachi: Odd resolution

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hachi:

I stopped talking about xinerama

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GreyFoxx:

You sure it shouldn't be 1366x768 ?

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hachi:

drop the topic

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Dagmar:

No problem. I'll drop it entierly.

[01:42:27]

hachi:

GreyFoxx: amazingly EDID can't admit that the display can run at 1366x768

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iamlindoro:

IgnoreEDID

[01:43:15]

GreyFoxx:

try 1360x768

[01:43:19]

GreyFoxx:

see if it likes it better

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hachi:

I'll worry about that later

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GreyFoxx:

if that fails try setting the various optioons to ignore EDID

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hachi:

1280x768 is the resolution I'm tryin to make work

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hachi:

I spent a day trying to fix it like a year ago

[01:43:44]

hachi:

I don

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hachi:

I don't feel like spending another day right now

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Dagmar:

Ah but you'll argue with people who know the system backwards and forwarcs.

[01:44:11]

iamlindoro:

Help me fix my problem without making me actually change anything!

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Dagmar:

s/arcs/ards/;

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hachi:

holy crap

[01:44:36]

hachi:

okay, let me plug it into a 1280x768 display, same problem with mythtv

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iamlindoro:

cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.knowngood

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hachi:

yes, I have one!

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Dagmar:

It might help if you got it out of your head that aspect ratio and pixel resolution have anything at all to do with one another.

[01:46:08]

hachi:

I don't

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hachi:

you're the one fabricating this problem for me

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iamlindoro:

Waitwhatnow?

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hachi:

I didn't even tell you the resolution of the display till you started prompting me about my x config being hosed

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iamlindoro:

you xorg.conf configuration *is* hosed

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Dagmar:

Allow me to lay out the simple fact for you again...

[01:47:23]

Dagmar:

X and Myth have *no problem* like you describe, out of the box.

[01:47:24]

Dagmar:

Period.

[01:48:06]

Dagmar:

This means either your X config is very hosed because you did something unwise with Xinerama or god only knows what that you refuse to give ANY useful details about or...

[01:48:16]

hachi:

http://hachi.kuiki.net/stuff/xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

...you haven't actually flushed the database to return things to the out of the box state, wasting your time and ours by trying to assume that just deleting the table named 'settings' would be enough.

[01:49:16]

hachi:

okay, I welcome you to present me an option for fixing this problem... the exact same problem I hit a year ago when I set up my other frontend

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Dagmar:

No.

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hachi:

without blowing away everything cause I've got a good few hundred videos

[01:49:42]

hachi:

then stop telling me I'm wrong and you're right

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Dagmar:

LIke it's *really* that damn hard to backup /var/lib/mysql

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Dagmar:

THEN STOP BEING WRONG, NOOB.

[01:50:14]

hachi:

HOW DOES BACKING UP_ MY DB HELP IT NITWIT?

[01:50:17]

hachi:

I'm just gonna reload it

[01:50:25]

hachi:

then I have the same problem

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Dagmar:

When your MythTV plays your 4:3 content in the 16:10 frame just fine, *it shows you you were your own worst problem*

[01:50:49]

Dagmar:

Myth, by default, does not rescale anything.

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hachi:

you're telling me that picking the option in setup/appearance

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hachi:

which I changed "Monitor aspect ratio" between 3 possible options

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hachi:

to see if it might fix my problem

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hachi:

you're screaming at me as though I took out my video card and crossed some wires... thus changing some intrinsic thing mythtv depends on

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hachi:

all I did was pick a presented setup option and tried the 3 options it gave me

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hachi:

they did nothing, so I moved on

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hachi:

but now you're telling me that I've caused some sort of chain reaction, which the option in the db table, that I cleared... has now ruined my xorg config or something

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hachi:

which I've posted for you to see, is neither strange or very custom at all

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iamlindoro:

hachi: Your practically-empty xorg.conf does *not* imply that it is the correct one

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iamlindoro:

many many many people need special xorg.conf options to make things owrk properly

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Dagmar:

Frankly I think he just generated it to try to shut us up

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iamlindoro:

And when Greyfoxx suggested a perfectly reasonable line of testing to try to fix it, you refused... so why should we be tripping over ourselves to help?

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hachi:

but the pixel resolution of the display has nothing to do with aspect ratio, you even said this

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hachi:

so I have a 1280x768 display, or a 1366x768 display

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iamlindoro:

oh you know what, fuck it, fix it youself

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Dagmar:

I already put him on ignore.

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hachi:

what does those 100 pixels matter... I'm missing a good 300–400 of black bars on the sides

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hachi:

thinks I generated my config?

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hachi:

right, obviously having trust issues

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Dagmar:

I'd be nuts to keep trying to suggest things to diagnose the source of the problem when I think someone's just fabricating answers and not following directions. Pfft.

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hachi:

I didn't fabricate it

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hachi:

that's the best part of this

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hachi:

that's the default debian xorg config

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Dagmar:

Actually, without EDID, there's no way in hell that xorg.conf could be the real thing

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hachi:

I do have EDID, and the EDID of the display says available modes up to 1280x768

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hachi:

xrandr even lets me switch modes just fine

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hachi:

not that I'm using it, cause the default mode is what I want

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iamlindoro:

hachi: You have been given good advice, by Greyfoxx. You have been told which resolutions to try manually, and to try ignoring EDID, which is required for many many people. If you don't want to try that, then do us a favor and stop talking to yourself.

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hachi:

I'm working on that, but I doubt it will help

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iamlindoro:

good, so give us some peace while you try, then

[02:02:40]

hachi:

I had this problem once before, different machine, same display

[02:02:57]

hachi:

never got any driver to drive the display at 1366x768

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PatrickDK:

I don't understand why people have so much problems setting screen sizes with X

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PatrickDK:

it's pretty damned simple

[02:13:44]

Dagmar:

It's simple once you know how to configure X.

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Dagmar:

Most people are too goddamn stubborn to actually learn that tho.

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strex:

Hey folks, I'm running mythtv 21, and I've been having weird problems with MTD, and ripping dvd's. Sometimes they rip just fine, sometimes they won't rip (or play) at all on mythtv, and sometimes it will only rip the first gb, and won't rip any farther, even though it's not the end of the movie. mtd.log doens't contain any error's and I can see, and dmesg doesn't report any problems with the hardware. Any suggestions??

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Dagmar:

Try non-copyprotected discs.

[02:19:15]

Dagmar:

Mass-market DVDs do a great deal to interfere with copying them.

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Dagmar:

...and it would be wrong (and legally insane) of Myth to work around them.

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hachi:

okay, it may not look it, but I've got this thing running 1360x768

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hachi:

http://hachi.kuiki.net/stuff/dsc01973.jpg http://hachi.kuiki.net/stuff/dsc01974.jpg

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hachi:

can't push it to 1366, the x driver just pretends like I'm not saying anything to it when I do that

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hachi:

but, in the second picture... you can see that I'm not getting black bars on the left/right to make the programme display at 4:3

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PatrickDK:

screen resolution has nothing at all to do with aspect ratio

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PatrickDK:

first you have to set whatever screen res you want

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PatrickDK:

then you have to tell every video player what aspect ratio you have

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PatrickDK:

this includes mythtv, mplayer, vlc, ...

[02:25:56]

PatrickDK:

if you told mythtv you have a 4:3 screen

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PatrickDK:

it will fill the whole then, when displaying a 4:3 show

[02:26:19]

PatrickDK:

and the default is 4:3 still, I believe

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Dagmar:

They should be able to get that info from X on their own

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hachi:

assuming at this juncture that I haven't told mythtv that my TV is any aspect ratio, where do you tell it this?

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PatrickDK:

dagmar, doesn't for me atleast

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Dagmar:

What we said earlier was correct.

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Dagmar:

Patrick: It should for Myth

[02:27:01]

Dagmar:

I blew away my database three times last week.

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PatrickDK:

not sure about myth :)

[02:27:11]

PatrickDK:

cause I always set it

[02:27:16]

PatrickDK:

but I do know about mplayer and vlc

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PatrickDK:

cause I just had to redo them

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Dagmar:

Give 'em time and their maintainers will figure out how to poll X for that

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Dagmar:

xdpyinfo tells you everything

[02:28:09]

Dagmar:

...including both pixel sizes, *real sizes*, and DPI

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Dagmar:

All it's gotta do is poll X and X will tell it what aspect the display is

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Dagmar:

If EDID is working properly, X will have all the info it needs

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PatrickDK:

heh, EDID must be broken

[02:29:42]

PatrickDK:

cause it says my screen is 14x8 inches

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PatrickDK:

and it's actually 19x12

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PatrickDK:

stupid tv from china

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Dagmar:

So dig into the wiki

[02:31:38]

Dagmar:

There's a whole page on DisplaySize and what to do with it, even though we no longer need it to force DPI to a given size

[02:31:49]

strex:

Anyone know how the additional imput's on the back of a pvr-150 card work. For instance, Currently I'm useing the coax imput (and it's tuner) and a tuner for mythtv (like normal). Can I hook up an additional STB via rca jacks to the back of the pvr-150 and is it as an additional tuner for mythtv to use? Or does anyone know where I could find more information on doing this?

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Dagmar:

...as in, here's a big hint, search for "DisplaySize" and you'll find it

[02:32:06]

iamlindoro:

strex: no. One thing can record at a time, that's all

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Dagmar:

strex: You ahve only one encoder on the card.

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iamlindoro:

They all pipe into a single MPEG-2 encoder

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Dagmar:

You have to actually tell the card which input to use

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Dagmar:

...but that's the only utility in it.

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Dagmar:

You can't encode from multiple ones at the same tie

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Dagmar:

s/tie/time/;

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strex:

aah, ok..

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PatrickDK:

it's like a vcr

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strex:

I get it.

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PatrickDK:

you can select record tv channel, video 1, or video 2, but not all at once

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Dagmar:

Without the sandwich loading capability

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PatrickDK:

hehe :)

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strex:

what about taking additonal video imput from say a camcorder, then sending that through the pvr-150's mpeg2 encoder.

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clever:

but you can stick cheese in the cd tray

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strex:

clever, probably not wise.

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clever:

just as wise as a sandwhich in the vcr!

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strex:

or a heatsink as a coffee cup warmer..! :p

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Dagmar:

strex: What about it

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Dagmar:

MythTV is not an on-demand recorder, BTW.

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strex:

I'm fully aware of that.

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Dagmar:

It can't be made to arbitrarily record from "just any" input at yer whim without a little flim-flam

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Dagmar:

I just made a fake channel, numbered 1, call-sign "EVIL".

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strex:

Dagmar, what I'm getting at is, do you have to use the coax connector and the onboard tuner on the pvr-150. Or could I just use the rca imputs and the onboard encoder to encode video from a camcorder.

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Dagmar:

strex: Do you remember when you ran mythtv-setup you had to create a channel source (i.e., where the listings are for) and then bind it to an input on the card?

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strex:

ya, so that's where I would bind the two. I get that...

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Dagmar:

Create another, completely phony channel source, add one channel to it with a number you can remember easily, and bind THAT to say, the composite input

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Dagmar:

So if you made channel 999, when you wnt to channel 999, myth would tell the PVR-150 card to start using the composite input for the video source instead of the RF tuner.

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strex:

Dagmar, then use that fake channel to record the video on the imput??

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Dagmar:

Basically, yeag.

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strex:

Ahh, alright I get that..

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Dagmar:

...and you've got the cutlist editor built into myth after you've done your recordidng so you can cut the blank bits off the ends

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strex:

yep, I've worked with that already.. Dagmar, thanks for the info..

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Dagmar:

no problem

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strex:

Anyone using a seperate Fe and Be. That can tell me the performance difference in seperating the two.

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strex:

...currently their combined.

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strex:

Also, can one watch normal "LiveTV" on a FE, without it's own onboard tuner.. (from the BE).. If so is that streaming?

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PatrickDK:

strex, that is the only way it works

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strex:

So the BE would stream LiveTV to the frountend?

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PatrickDK:

yes

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PatrickDK:

even if the BE and FE where on the same box

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PatrickDK:

it would still stream

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Dagmar:

*ALL* everything you watch with MythTV is recorded

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strex:

PatrickDK, alright, so while watching LiveTV on a FE only box (streaming from the BE), If you paused LiveTV, where is the buffer stored?

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PatrickDK:

there is no buffer anymore

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PatrickDK:

it was killed off

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strex:

Dagmar, ya I've learned taht too.

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PatrickDK:

it's recorded

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strex:

PatrickDK, alright.

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strex:

How is the performance of doing something like that?

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strex:

Any audio / video lag between the 2 systems?

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PatrickDK:

killing off the buffer is what caused me to finally drop my dvr's and switch completely to myth

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PatrickDK:

you will always have lag

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PatrickDK:

there is no way around it, once you go digital, you will always have lag

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PatrickDK:

that is the issue with voip :)

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PatrickDK:

with tv, you don't really care if your 2seconds behind everyone else

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PatrickDK:

so it's not really a factor

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strex:

PatrickDK, I get it.. I've worked with that stuff for a long time.

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strex:

Lag, that is..

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PatrickDK:

the whole switch to digital tv will have lag, even if you don't use a dvr

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strex:

Is there any choppy video / audio when doing this?

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PatrickDK:

only if your cpu sucks

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strex:

Define sucks, on a FE only box??

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Agrajag-:

strex: if you're separating the fe/be, then it's fine as long as your network has the bandwidth

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PatrickDK:

playing HD content on a 500mhz computer

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hti_pro:

bandwidth consumption is pretty low unless your on a 10M network

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PatrickDK:

I think that defined sucks

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PatrickDK:

10mbit should be enough :)

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strex:

Agrajag-, I understand that.. and I would use copper because it's cheap. Any good reports on using 802.11g or any other wireless?

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PatrickDK:

as long as it's switched, and not HD shows

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PatrickDK:

wireless will cause issues

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PatrickDK:

cause 802.11g can only do 22mbit

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PatrickDK:

HD can get up to 20mbit

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strex:

I'm aware of that..

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PatrickDK:

for sd stuff, it should be ok

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PatrickDK:

but make sure you maintain a perfect signal

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strex:

I can see that.

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strex:

Any idea what the maximum bandwidth requirements are for a connection, SD or HD..

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PatrickDK:

you could do hd over it, but one neighbor could screw it up

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PatrickDK:

sd? depends on how you record it

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Agrajag-:

strex: it depends, in .au i haven't been able to get SD dvb streams over 802.11g

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PatrickDK:

I can't see you doing sd at >10mbit

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PatrickDK:

hd is 19.5mbit

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hti_pro:

anyone here use mupen64plux

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hti_pro:

...plus

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strex:

has anyone run any bandwidth tests on a connection like that?

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PatrickDK:

so if you just factor in say, 20–22mbit per stream (add a little bit for ip overhead)

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Agrajag-:

PatrickDK: i don't think so, in .au HD streams differ

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PatrickDK:

heh?

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Agrajag-:

so do SD streams, depends on the broadcaster, some are higher bitrate than others

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strex:

Agrajag-, well all connections are going to vary some..

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strex:

PatrickDK, thanks.

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PatrickDK:

sd streams shouldn't matter

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hti_pro:

does anyone use myth for vid game emus

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PatrickDK:

atleast analog sd streams

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strex:

PatrickDK what about the other features of Mythtv, are they also available on a FE only box? (Music, Pictures, Info Center etc)?

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hti_pro:

all of the above

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DarkD:

ok i just compiled mythtv 21,

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strex:

hti_pro, and the rest of them??

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DarkD:

but i get errors about my sql database,

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DarkD:

sql database does work, other front ends connect to it fine

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DarkD:

i get "no error type from qsqlerror"

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DarkD:

did i forget to isntall the mysql drivers?

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hti_pro:

strex: i think the only thing a backend can do that a front end can't is capture, transcode, and commflag.

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strex:

DarkD, can you login on the command line?

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DarkD:

strex do i need mysqlclient installed?

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DarkD:

i can telnet in..

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DarkD:

get the standard mysql greeting jubberish :)

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strex:

DarkD, I believe you do, but I could be wrong..

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DarkD:

...insatllin

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hti_pro:

you should use mysql client to test it

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strex:

DarkD, can you do the normal: mysql -u xxx -p -h etc.. and login ok?

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PatrickDK:

frontends can transcode and commflag, just not simple to setup

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strex:

PatrickDK, interesting.. that could be cool.

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hti_pro:

i have some setup as backends with no capture cards. That way they will do all that great stuff

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strex:

PatrickDK, almost like running a cluster of FE's..

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PatrickDK:

I have one backend, and 3 frontends currently

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PatrickDK:

and only 1 tuner

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hti_pro:

in fact i have a server that was way underutilized so i setup a backend on it with no capture cards just so it will commflag, transcode, etc.

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hti_pro:

and leave my FEs and other BEs free for capture and playback

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PatrickDK:

hti_pro, just running mythjobqueue should be enough, instead of a full mythbackend

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DarkD:

strex: cpommand line worked fine

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strex:

That makes me wonder, does mythtv have any cluster options built in, or even plans to do so?

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hti_pro:

would that give you the gui to setup the commflagging and all that, or would that be left to config files

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strex:

DarkD, are you still getting the same message with Myth?

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DarkD:

2008-06–24 23:10:25.074 Testing network connectivity to 192.168.32.200

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DarkD:

2008-06–24 23:10:25.081 Unable to connect to database!

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DarkD:

2008-06–24 23:10:25.081 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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DarkD:

yes

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DarkD:

qt3-MySql not installed :-S

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DarkD:

think thats the poblem

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DarkD:

i was looking for mysql .. dam case sensitivity

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strex:

Wouldn't hurt to install it..

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hti_pro:

DarkD: do you have a firewall on the DB server

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DarkD:

yep that did it

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DarkD:

hti_pro: if i coudl command line in... that measn firewall is not an issue :)

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strex:

hti_pro, not likely if he's getting an actual error (QSqlError).

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hti_pro:

DarkD: firewall could allow ssh or telnet and not mysql

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strex:

and telnet also.

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DarkD:

hti_pro: not if i telnted to the sql port...

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strex:

hti_pro, but not on that port.

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hti_pro:

true

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DarkD:

wchich i stated responded with mysql welcome jiberish ;)

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DarkD:

but thats not really relevent

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DarkD:

i was missing qt3 mysql libraries

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hti_pro:

do you have mysql permissions set to allow from the machine you are trying to connect from

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DarkD:

wierd how configure let me install and compile w/po htem

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strex:

DarkD, but the qt3 drivers fixed it?

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DarkD:

yep

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hti_pro:

does anyone here use mupen64plus

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strex:

DarkD, that probably needs to be fixed..

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DarkD:

strex: i could give yoiu list of things configure did not look for :-P

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DarkD:

strex: also if you dont hae g++ installed it complaing about freefont LOL

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strex:

DarkD, Would be helpful i'm sure, but not for me..

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DarkD:

yeh i should let the gusy in mythtv know

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DarkD:

but then again this isnt trunk soo

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strex:

... ya knwo.. lol..

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strex:

Any idea how one would speed up mythcommflag? or even just lessen the I/O to the drive.??

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DarkD:

strex: nice it?

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strex:

DarkD, good idea, but how would taht impact it's performance? Or lengeth that it's run to find all commercials.

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DarkD:

strex: all nice levels do is control the processor time alloted to the process

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strex:

true...

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DarkD:

strex: you can use snice to change the priority of an alrteady running process

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DarkD:

wont help with drive io.. not directly anyway

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DarkD:

it WILL lengthen the tiemm it takes to finish though

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DarkD:

alternativly make sure u have 2 differnt harddrives in the pool

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DarkD:

mtyh with automatically select drives based on jobs running, recordings etc

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strex:

DarkD, in some type of raid I'm assuming?

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DarkD:

in hopes to ballance out the io

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DarkD:

strex: nop.. just 2 drives

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DarkD:

strex: and add them into the group

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DarkD:

recording group.. both paths

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strex:

DarkD, aah, LVM?

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strex:

oh i see.

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DarkD:

nop

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DarkD:

not lvm

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DarkD:

MYTH RECORDING GROUPS

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strex:

DarkD, I see.

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DarkD:

1 sec

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** DarkD tries to find the man page **

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DarkD:

http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#storagegroups

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DarkD:

[Quote]

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DarkD:

MythTV will balance concurrent recordings across the available directories in a Storage Group in order to spread out the file I/O load. MythTV will prefer filesystems that are local to the backend over filesystems that are remote until the local filesystem has 2 concurrent recordings active or other equivalent I/O, then the next recording will go to the remote filesystem. The balancing method is based purely o

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strex:

DarkD, thanks.

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DarkD:

[/Quote]

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wasabi:

Don't suppose anybody is familiar with hardy and an onboard intel driver with TV-out over the VGA output (using s-video/composite squid connector)

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wasabi:

Entire output is garbled.

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DarkD:

np

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PatrickDK:

tv-out over the vga output?

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PatrickDK:

never heard of that

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wasabi:

yeah.

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wasabi:

uses a few unused pins for s-video/composite, apparently.

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PatrickDK:

I use hardy with onboard intel but I use vga and dvi outputs

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wasabi:

yeah im stuck with an older tv/receiver

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Dagmar:

I was kinda of hte impression that that wasn't the "normal" way to do TV out

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Dagmar:

If that card supports it, it'll be something you probably have to tell the driver through xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

I thought only *some* ATI cards let you do that. This is the first I've heard of an Intel card doing it

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wasabi:

Eh. Well. It "works", garbled output.

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wasabi:

So obviously the signals exist.

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strex:

nvidia is my vote...

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wasabi:

Don't want to put in another card.

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wasabi:

Don't want to buy another card.

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DarkD:

nvidial alwas worked out well for me

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Dagmar:

wasabi: That doesn't mean it works.

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DarkD:

wasabi: well then... buy a new tv with vga in..

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wasabi:

Well... VGA is radically different than S-Video.

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Dagmar:

...or would you require a black screen to make you think it doesn't work?

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strex:

Dagmar, it probably can work with some custom HW coding, :p

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wasabi:

True. The Intel site says it supports "TV-Out"

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Dagmar:

Check out what driver options you're able to pass to the intel driver in xorg.conf

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DarkD:

wasabi: some onboard cards have a special connector to attache the mobo with svideo on it..

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wasabi:

Hmm. Unaware of that.

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wasabi:

http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/DG33TL/index.htm

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PatrickDK:

most motherboards don't even bother to connect it at all

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DarkD:

hmmm

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DarkD:

http://www.computercasesandcables.com/ccc/CV-25120.html

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wasabi:

Yeah, that's basically what I have.

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wasabi:

NOTE: Note Though this adapter works with most video cards, some video cards do not support this adapter.

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wasabi:

VGA is what, 6 active pins?

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wasabi:

That leaves the other dozen for other purposes.

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PatrickDK:

vga uses a crapload of pins

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wasabi:

Maybe this is something else, and I'm just plain wrong.

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PatrickDK:

min needed I believe are 10

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wasabi:

•

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wasabi:

•

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wasabi:

DDC2B compliant interface with Advanced Digital Display 2 card or Media

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wasabi:

Expansion Card (ADD2/MEC), support for TV-out/TV-in and DVI digital display

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wasabi:

connections

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wasabi:

Oh. sorry. Crappy newlines.

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wasabi:

The comma makes me think theyr'e talking about two things.

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wasabi:

but the tv-in is just confusing

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wasabi:

Yeah. This is something completely different, and I'm totally off base.

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wasabi:

Sorry for wasting ya'lls time.

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wasabi:

I need an add2 card or a second video card.

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Dagmar:

Meh. Just pick up an nVidia 5200 or something in a plain PCI form

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PatrickDK:

yuk

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Dagmar:

Basically just about any cheap nVidia card with s-video out (not composite, those are seriously hit-or-miss)

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wasabi:

yeah. which is what sucks.

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wasabi:

I have 3 old agp cards sitting here.

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PatrickDK:

do not get a pci card

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PatrickDK:

it will suck ass

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wasabi:

that would all work, if I had a agp slot

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PatrickDK:

get pcie

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PatrickDK:

you dont have agp on that mb :)

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wasabi:

it's a new mb

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wasabi:

quad core for my media center. hee hee

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PatrickDK:

pci can't handle hd

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wasabi:

If I wanted HD I wouldn't be trying to get S-video working

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wasabi:

I'd be out buying a new tv.

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PatrickDK:

ok, if you ever want to upgrade to hd :)

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wasabi:

I'd switch back to the onboard video.

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wasabi:

which is more than enough

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PatrickDK:

but the price of a cheap pci video card vs a pcie video card is going be $0

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Dagmar:

Patrick: You're being silly about the PCI thing

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PatrickDK:

dagmar no I'm not

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Dagmar:

PLaying SD video doesn't require anything more than a plain PCI card.

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wasabi:

though i might find a used pci card for $5

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PatrickDK:

dagmar, I didn't say SD

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PatrickDK:

I said if you ever plan to do HD

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Dagmar:

Patrick: Yeah, but *he* did

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PatrickDK:

since there isn't going be a price difference

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Dagmar:

...and NewEgg and Pricewatch both disagree with you about the price difference

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dustybin:

./conigure toilet && make configure-lid && make -C dump turd && cp turd /mnt/tools/bin/flush

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Dagmar:

You can get a plain PCI 5200 card for like, $40.

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Dagmar:

The MX440 I was using for awhile cost all of $18.

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PatrickDK:

hmm

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PatrickDK:

pcie with tvout for $23 on newegg

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PatrickDK:

heh, but the real one would be $99

[03:40:24]

PatrickDK:

as the $23 one is openbox

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PatrickDK:

ok, gf7300 for $26 pcie

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wasabi:

i happen to like the intel shit, if i could find a card for it

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iamlindoro:

No Intel cards

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iamlindoro:

They're all onboard

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Dagmar:

Intel doesn't do MC accel do they?

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PatrickDK:

they do

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iamlindoro:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

So it's not like their FakeGL stuff?

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iamlindoro:

Nope, it's XvMC... for what that's worth :)

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iamlindoro:

ie little to nothing, heh

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iamlindoro:

but also normal Xv

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: is XvMC not used because no one uses mpeg2 anymiore?

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iamlindoro:

No, most of the US still uses MPEG-2

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iamlindoro:

It's just shit and with Xv and a decent CPU you don't give up everything you give up with XvMC

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DarkD:

hey is there any addon to use the happague FM tuner?

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iamlindoro:

Nope

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DarkD:

lol

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PatrickDK:

I have never gotten my fm tuner to work :)

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PatrickDK:

what would be more fun was would be an add-on to decode hdradio :)

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DarkD:

hd radio ?!?!?!

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: Digital radio broadcasts now becoming common in the USA

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DarkD:

huh.. who would of tunked

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DarkD:

thunked

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Dagmar:

Digital radio *tuners* on the other hand, not so much.

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Joemama_:

i read the trouble shooting section on mythtv.org , but still cant get the UPnP server to show up

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Joemama_:

do i need to enable it somewhere?

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DarkD:

what is pulse audio

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Joemama_:

supposedly they make some bad ass subs

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Joemama_:

i never heard of them

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Joemama_:

but they look mean as hell

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DarkD:

i ment the driver

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DarkD:

pulseaudio i386 0.9.10–1.fc9 installed 1.0 M

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Joemama_:

wierd

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DarkD:

its been nothign but a pain in my arse

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Joemama_:

pulse audio is a company that makes a massive bass driver

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DarkD:

fedor 8 came out with them :-P

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Joemama_:

u dont know how to get the UPnP server in myth working do u?

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JohnMahowald:

I still have to kill sound playing programs before I can hear myth even with pulseaudio

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Nostahl:

heyey all im tryin to figure out what the command is to change the default player from mplayer to vlc

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Nostahl:

can someone help me out real quick :)

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Joemama_:

Nostahl: wish i knew i would tell u

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Joemama_:

u ever get the UPnP server to work?

[04:40:50]

Nostahl:

for some reason mplayer is corrupted

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Nostahl:

thought i'd try switchin default video player to vlc

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Joemama_:

hrmm

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Nostahl:

im at the setup screen right now for it i just dont know what command to use

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Joemama_:

i know there is a list of players

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Joemama_:

in the setup

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Joemama_:

you could turn off mplayer

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Nostahl:

the one there for mplayer is mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s

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Joemama_:

thre check boxes in the setup, one for mplayer, xine, and vlc

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Joemama_:

u could just uncheck mplayer

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Joemama_:

i think

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Nostahl:

in the config thing?

[04:42:05]

Joemama_:

yeah

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Nostahl:

k lets see

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Joemama_:

in the Control Center

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Nostahl:

k unchecked xine and mplayer

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Nostahl:

see how it works now

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Nostahl:

hrmm

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Joemama_:

work?

[04:46:35]

Nostahl:

just restarted frontend and mplayer is still set

[04:46:39]

Nostahl:

think i have to reboot?

[04:46:58]

Nostahl:

or

[04:47:11]

Nostahl:

do you think i could just change it to vlc instead of mplayer if they have the same commands?

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Joemama_:

i have no idea

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strex:

lol

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Nostahl:

hey strex do you know how to switch default player

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strex:

default for what?

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Nostahl:

its set to default mplayer right now

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Nostahl:

but i want to use vlc

[04:50:13]

Nostahl:

im at the screen now

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Nostahl:

i just dont know what the command to use for vlc whould be

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Nostahl:

mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s

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Nostahl:

thats whats in the box right now etc

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strex:

have you tried compairing the two.?

[04:51:04]

strex:

checking..

[04:51:27]

Nostahl:

cause mplayer gives me fatal error

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Nostahl:

vlc works fine though

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strex:

vlc -f %s would be my initial guess without RTFMing more..

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Nostahl:

k

[04:52:25]

Nostahl:

what does -f %s mean btw

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strex:

worth a shot at least.

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strex:

RTFM, but -f is fullscreen and %s replaces the name / path of the file to be played.

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Nostahl:

k trying now

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Nostahl:

ty

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strex:

Nostahl, that work?

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Joemama_:

stex u ever get UPnP to work?

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Nostahl:

hrmm it showed the top portion of the movie it seemed for 2 seconds and then paused

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Nostahl:

i'll work on it more tomorrow

[04:57:03]

Nostahl:

just runnin movie tonight from the desktop vlc player instead of the myth tv front end

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strex:

nope, but is port 2869 and 1900 open on your mythtv BE?

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daryll:

hi

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daryll:

what is the "storage directories" in mythtv?

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Nostahl:

what do you mean

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daryll:

where does the recordings go to? is it different from Live TV directory?

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Nostahl:

ah im not sure about that

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Nostahl:

havnt tryed recording stuff yet

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daryll:

I don't want mythtv to keep on writing to my harddisk when watching livetv

[05:22:18]

daryll:

is it possible to mount a ramdisk to livetv directory?

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daryll:

but also keep an actual harddisk for recordings?

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Nostahl:

i gotta few things to tweek myself

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Nostahl:

gotta figure out why i get fatal error from mplayer

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Joemama_:

this shit is driving me crazy

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Nostahl:

and not vlc or xine

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Nostahl:

also gotta figure out how to turn up the vol on the back speakers

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daryll:

mplayer /dev/video0

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daryll:

works for me

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daryll:

using kubuntu 8/04

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strex:

daryll, it's gonna write to your drive no matter what.

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daryll:

really? even i set it to a ramdisk?

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daryll:

it could not write beyond the ramdisk size right?

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daryll:

although i have not tried setting one yet

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strex:

daryll, while watching LiveTV it's constantly recording. Check out your Autoexpire list in 'system status'

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strex:

(under info center)

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daryll:

ok, will check it, be back in a while

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strex:

Nostahl, so what's going on?

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Nostahl:

just watchin the movie with vlc player from the desktop instead of in frontend

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strex:

just saw that you had a question about getting the back speakers to work.

[05:29:20]

strex:

... is why i was asking

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Nostahl:

ah

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daryll:

thanks for that tip, I can now see the autoexpire items, livetv and recordings are in the same directories.

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strex:

daryll, so what else are you trying to get working, or don't you understand?

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Nostahl:

hey strex what kind of system do you have

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strex:

Nostahl, P4 2.4 1.5gb ram dual pvr150's and a 500gb storage drive.

[05:35:13]

strex:

combined fe/be, soon to be devided in half.

[05:35:14]

Nostahl:

what do you think of the mini itx boards

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strex:

well, what kind of on board ports to they have, or offer?

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Nostahl:

i seen a core2duo 4 gigs ram pci express and mini pci express slot as well as pci slot

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strex:

s/pdif / HDMI / sata / etc..

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Nostahl:

so it was plenty for processing power etc

[05:36:37]

strex:

would this be a FrountEnd or a BackEnd?

[05:36:42]

Nostahl:

and you can get a kickin graphics card to go with it

[05:36:43]

Nostahl:

both

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strex:

So what about your tuner cards?

[05:37:16]

strex:

How many and what type?

[05:37:28]

strex:

mine are full height pci..

[05:37:46]

strex:

thus I can't use a really slim case (without riser cards).

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Nostahl:

aye

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strex:

all depends what yoru planning on throwing in there.

[05:38:30]

strex:

How many recordings do you want to record at once?

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Nostahl:

i have 2 identical express slot tunner cards

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strex:

what chipset?

[05:38:56]

Nostahl:

hp repackage of haupage or however its spelt

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Nostahl:

thats all i know of them so far

[05:39:04]

Nostahl:

got htem free from work today

[05:39:09]

Nostahl:

came with usb remotes too

[05:39:16]

Nostahl:

wich worked plug n play i was excited

[05:39:49]

strex:

Nostahl, sounds like fun..

[05:40:04]

strex:

That's kind of how I started with mythtv..

[05:40:37]

Nostahl:

you have much experience with the streaming tv

[05:40:44]

Nostahl:

ie watching it off the web

[05:40:56]

strex:

streaming LiveTV?

[05:41:03]

strex:

or recordings?

[05:41:04]

Nostahl:

it'd be cool to be able to connect to other people that stream different channels etc

[05:41:28]

strex:

define what you mean?

[05:41:34]

Nostahl:

well

[05:41:45]

Nostahl:

i noticed that i can watch streaming video

[05:42:04]

Nostahl:

so was looking for discovery channel and such etc

[05:42:57]

strex:

Oh, your talking about "internet streams" in media gallery right?

[05:43:01]

strex:

(at least on mine.

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Nostahl:

aye

[05:44:00]

strex:

well, if you wanna find more streaming video sources, I would check out google first..

[05:44:20]

strex:

Also wouldn't help to rtfm on how the 'streaming' plugin works.

[05:44:30]

strex:

and what it needs as input.

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Nostahl:

i've been bit by the mythtv bug so hard lol

[05:46:39]

Nostahl:

i completely cleaned out my office

[05:46:43]

Nostahl:

and set up a media room lol

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Nostahl:

pulled the big screen from downstairs

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Nostahl:

and set it all up in the new media room heh

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strex:

for me, mythtv started as an interest, and converted to a hobby, but now it's more like an addiction than anything.

[05:50:35]

strex:

lol, that yould make a good topic.. :p

[05:50:47]

Nostahl:

heh

[05:51:54]

Joemama_:

for me

[05:52:09]

Joemama_:

mythtv started a few days ago when i wanted to replace my windows box that runs TVersity

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Joemama_:

and is getting very frustrating cuz i cant get it to work right

[05:53:13]

Joemama_:

wanted to go to something linux based to add stabaility and start automating the process of adding media

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Joemama_:

dont think its going to work very good

[05:53:31]

Nostahl:

it will

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strex:

Joemama_, give it time..

[05:53:41]

Nostahl:

after a bit of fiddling it gets easy

[05:54:02]

Joemama_:

okay tell me this

[05:54:06]

strex:

shoot

[05:54:18]

Joemama_:

do you keep an mp3 library on your myth box?

[05:54:18]

daryll:

yup.. i am cursing before, but when it works, it has superb gui

[05:54:22]

daryll:

:)

[05:54:30]

strex:

Joemama_ yeap

[05:54:35]

Joemama_:

is it any good?

[05:54:42]

strex:

Joemama_ yep.

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Joemama_:

let you sort by like artist, genre, album, all that stuff?

[05:54:48]

Joemama_:

i havent got into that part yet

[05:54:53]

Joemama_:

but i got a 1TB mp3 collection

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Joemama_:

all complete albums

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strex:

Joemama_ yep

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Nostahl:

wow

[05:55:09]

Joemama_:

and no other software handles it very well

[05:55:14]

Nostahl:

i cant wait to buy my first T drive

[05:55:16]

strex:

and artwork etc..

[05:55:30]

Joemama_:

wonder how slow it would run though if i added all my music

[05:55:31]

strex:

Nostahl, it sholdn't all be on one drive..

[05:55:44]

strex:

Joemama_, depends..

[05:55:49]

strex:

how do you want to add it.?

[05:55:59]

Joemama_:

just tell it where the music is

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Joemama_:

and let it add it

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Joemama_:

like for example

[05:56:35]

strex:

is it local, to the mythtv machine (ie another drive)

[05:56:45]

Joemama_:

you use winamp, and go to media library and load the 2 mp3 drives

[05:56:50]

Joemama_:

after a few hours it crashes

[05:56:59]

Joemama_:

local

[05:57:15]

Joemama_:

if you try windows media player , tell it where to find the music

[05:57:21]

Joemama_:

about 12 hours later it finishes it

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Joemama_:

but

[05:57:38]

Joemama_:

from then on out it takes like an hour to start windows media player

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strex:

Joemama_, I don't have that many mp3's but I've played my music on myth for several days on random and it never crashed..

[05:57:50]

Joemama_:

and once you get in, like 10 minutes in between clicks

[05:58:07]

Joemama_:

yeah, im not worried about it crashing from playijng

[05:58:16]

Joemama_:

just worried about how robust the database will be

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Nostahl:

you realy need 1 terrabyte of music?:P

[05:58:28]

Joemama_:

i like having it

[05:58:34]

Joemama_:

its not a bunch of bullshit

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Nostahl:

mysql is good db software

[05:58:37]

Joemama_:

its good stuff

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strex:

Nostahl, it don't matter the need, myth will do it..

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Joemama_:

screw the music thing

[06:00:54]

Joemama_:

i dont think anything will take my music collection very well

[06:00:59]

Nostahl:

hey strex any idea why mplayer causes fatal crashes?

[06:01:03]

Joemama_:

just would like the damn UPnP thing to work

[06:01:08]

Nostahl:

i tryed uninstalling and reinstalling it no affect

[06:01:25]

strex:

Nostahl, are you using packates? or source?

[06:02:02]

strex:

Joemama_ what else are you using that needs UPnP?

[06:02:21]

Joemama_:

i use my PS3 as a UPnP client

[06:02:47]

strex:

is your current mythtv box connected to a tv at all?

[06:02:53]

Joemama_:

no

[06:02:57]

strex:

or are you just trying to make it a backend?

[06:02:57]

Joemama_:

didnt plan on connecting it

[06:03:07]

Joemama_:

yep, pretty much

[06:03:31]

Joemama_:

i might connect it though

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strex:

Joemama_, so primarly what do you want to use mythtv for?

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Joemama_:

to transcode and stream movies to my ps3

[06:04:06]

Joemama_:

i.e. like TVersity does

[06:04:28]

Joemama_:

use it as a DLNA server

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strex:

umm, I have no idea what TVersity does..

[06:05:34]

Joemama_:

i can explain

[06:05:42]

Joemama_:

like i run tversity on a windows machine

[06:05:50]

Joemama_:

add a folder full of movies to the library

[06:06:04]

Joemama_:

go to my ps3, search for media servers, go to TVersity media server

[06:06:10]

Joemama_:

and play any of the movies that is on the computer

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Joemama_:

over the local network

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Joemama_:

without copying anything to the ps3 or anything wild

[06:06:59]

Joemama_:

works real good

[06:07:08]

Joemama_:

supposedly mythtv does the same thing

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strex:

Joemama_ I used twonkey for a while to do just that, but mythtv does so much more I dropped it and hooked the puter up to the tv and went from there..

[06:07:13]

Joemama_:

i just cant get it to work

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Nostahl:

i do that from my linux laptop to my fiance's mac

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Nostahl:

so she can watch movies too

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Nostahl:

that was before i got started with mythbuntu though

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Joemama_:

is twonkey for linux?

[06:08:19]

strex:

Joemama_, yep but I can't help ya with that, just google it, you'll see.

[06:08:37]

Joemama_:

im already there

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strex:

mythtv is more like a linux DVR with lots of extra media server features, it's not designed to be a UPnP server ONLY, but it has that funcionatality.

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Joemama_:

i know all that

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Joemama_:

but if i could get it to act as a UPnP server ALSO that would be fine

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Joemama_:

ghey

[06:12:28]

Joemama_:

twonky wants money

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strex:

Joemama_, I'm speaking from my knoeledge alone, but mythtv is designed primarly as a DVR, (as far as what I know) but UPnP is just a small branch of that, so your milage might vary..

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Joemama_:

i understand

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strex:

Joemama_, yea, they want money, but in my experience, it's worth it..

[06:13:31]

Nostahl:

any of you guys running mythdora

[06:13:38]

strex:

yep

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Joemama_:

never that

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strex:

'never that' what?

[06:14:09]

Joemama_:

i will not pay

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strex:

alright..

[06:14:26]

Joemama_:

i would rather not play

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Nostahl:

how do you like mythdora strex

[06:14:41]

Joemama_:

i got a 9 month old son and a mortage payment

[06:14:42]

Nostahl:

im on mythbuntu right now

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Joemama_:

cant be spending money on toys

[06:15:10]

strex:

Nostahl, from a 'get it up and going' standpoint it's great.

[06:15:38]

Nostahl:

i downloaded both the install cd's to try it out

[06:16:21]

strex:

Nostahl, IMHO its one of the best to get it up and going pretty quickly..

[06:16:37]

strex:

just works out of the box.

[06:16:55]

Nostahl:

mythbuntu did that too

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strex:

now I've done TONS of hacking to it, so mine is no where near standard at this point..

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directhex:

ehm... myth is a upnp server

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directhex:

it's not an autotranscoding upnp server, if that's what you want

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strex:

directhex, would you like to help Joemama_ in getting it working on his setup?

[06:17:48]

Nostahl:

can you guys help me figure out if i can watch streaming discovery channel?

[06:17:59]

strex:

explain?

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Joemama_:

directhex it doesnt autotranscode?

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directhex:

sure. step 1, install myth, step 2, scan for music or video using mythmusic/mythvideo, step 3, use it

[06:18:09]

strex:

streaming over what?

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Nostahl:

the net

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Joemama_:

directhex: i installed mythbuntu , added some media

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Nostahl:

i dont have cable tv

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Joemama_:

and scanned

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Joemama_:

and didnt find anything

[06:18:56]

Joemama_:

no media server even

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Joemama_:

let alone media

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strex:

Nostahl just checkout the "internet streams' section in 'media library'

[06:19:21]

directhex:

Joemama_, it'll send video or audio over upnp. it won't turn one format into another for the benefit of systems with poor format support

[06:19:25]

strex:

Joemama_ did you tell mythtv where your media was?

[06:19:52]

Joemama_:

strex it should know, since i can access it from the media library / video section of the gui

[06:19:58]

strex:

Joemama_, and tell it to scan for new media?

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Joemama_:

also, even if there wasnt any media

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Joemama_:

i dont even see the server listed

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strex:

RTFM then.

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Nostahl:

hey strex

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Joemama_:

which if it couldnt find the media

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Nostahl:

gotta question for you :)

[06:20:28]

Joemama_:

i should still find the server, just nothing in it

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Nostahl:

my remote i went into the keybindings section of the gui

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directhex:

which upnp frontend?

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strex:

Nostahl, ok..

[06:21:02]

Nostahl:

and for instance tryed to set the video's section to pull up when i hit the video button on my remote

[06:21:12]

Nostahl:

but its like it didnt recognize that i pushed the button

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Joemama_:

are you asking me directhex ?

[06:21:19]

directhex:

yes

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Nostahl:

but the up/down/left/right arrows all work

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Joemama_:

how do i tell?

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directhex:

erm... what fucking app are you using to access a upnp server?

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Joemama_:

my PS3

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Joemama_:

sorry didnt know u wanted to know my client

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Joemama_:

i have another computer on same netwrk running TVersity

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Joemama_:

and it works fine

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directhex:

can you ping the ps3 from the mythtv backend?

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Joemama_:

i was just about to check that

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Joemama_:

one sec

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Joemama_:

yes

[06:25:31]

Joemama_:

sure can

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Joemama_:

pings no problem

[06:27:46]

Joemama_:

how do i tell what version of mythtv i have?

[06:28:11]

Joemama_:

thinking of downgrading to like 0.20

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directhex:

mythbackend --version

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directhex:

0.20 has practically no upnp support

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Joemama_:

i think it might work better for the UPnP from what ive read

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Joemama_:

oh

[06:28:27]

Joemama_:

well maybe not then

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directhex:

certainly not for the ps3. GreyFoxx worked on a number of ps3-specific bugs for 0.21-fixes

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Joemama_:

im running 0.21.20080304–1

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Joemama_:

nice

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directhex:

so from the xmb, there's no "mythtvmachine: MythTV UPnP AV Server" entry?

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Joemama_:

whats the xmb?

[06:30:26]

Joemama_:

oh

[06:30:27]

Joemama_:

ps3

[06:30:27]

Joemama_:

no

[06:30:36]

Joemama_:

not at all

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directhex:

is your backend configured to allow network access? e.g. using a proper LAN IP throughout, not 127.0.0.1?

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Joemama_:

yeah, i believe so, i set it to 192.168.1.5

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Joemama_:

which is the mythbox's local ip

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Joemama_:

lemme go back into setup, and make sure it kept that value

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Joemama_:

IP address is set to that

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Joemama_:

should Master Backend be 127.0.0.1 ?

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directhex:

no

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directhex:

sigh.

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directhex:

i'm going to work.

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Joemama_:

changed, testing

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Joemama_:

works now

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Joemama_:

thanx man

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Joemama_:

wonder how i get it to refresh the file list

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strex:

disconnect and reconnect the ps3 from the UPnP media server..

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Joemama_:

im glad it works

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Joemama_:

now i can go to bed

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Joemama_:

gotta work earl in the morn

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daryll:

hi, the tmpfs just works.. writing to harddisk is reduced :)

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daryll:

the recording goes to another directory which is in harddisk

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daryll:

gotta sleep then.

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daryll:

gudnite all

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Joemama_:

yepper

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Joemama_:

pz

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Joemama_:

nite

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daryll:

yup

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Joemama_:

im considering hooking this thing up to a tv

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Joemama_:

if i do

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Joemama_:

what is the cheapest remote control and cheapest tuner card i can get that will work?

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tank-man:

probably a framegrabber

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tank-man:

do a google search for if you have nothing to hide and the 5 link is a news story with the headline " Cop pleasures himself on CCTV"

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tank-man:

heh

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Dibblah:

Well, let's just hope that daryll never wants to watch an hour long program live. Nice one, Joemama_ ;)

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Strex:

suck

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Dibblah:

strex: Sheesh. A date and flowers first.

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justinh:

morning losers & non-losers

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Dibblah:

Is the world always so black and white to you?

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justinh:

yup. and why not

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directhex:

y'know, the "patches accepted" reply is really damn annoying

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justinh:

that's partly why I say it

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justinh:

wait – who am I kidding? it's exactly why I say it

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Dibblah:

Heh. Stehlik – Replace with Deathlike?

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Dibblah:

Sometimes, spell really gives some interesting results :)

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justinh:

I've seen Outlook try to replace names with erroneous words. 'Alistair' becomes 'Alligator'. He ended up being stuck with that nickname

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EvilGuru:

cliff-hanger used to be the best one

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EvilGuru:

I would suggest the replacement cliff hanger, which would in turn have the suggestion cliff-hanger and so on

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EvilGuru:

*It

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clever:

EvilGuru: its more fun to edit that on a co-workers pc so it automaticaly messes up the spelling:P

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EvilGuru:

Ah, good old auto correct

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clever:

microsoft word has things to autofix common typo's teh->the

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clever:

yep

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clever:

make it auto misspell:P

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clever:

now where might that called id script have gone

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clever:

i think i found it

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clever:

cidbcast

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clever:

seems 'working' but until i get a call i wont know

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Tomas-:

hahah

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** Tomas- found the error I did a couple of days ago... implementing a new frontend. 'mysqldump --where="hostname='sdfront1'" mythconverg settings | sed -n 's/sdfront1/hdfront1/g > insert.sql && echo "source insert.sql" | mysql mythconverg' I forgot that mysqldump adds 'drop table settings if exists' as default ;) **

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Tomas-:

no wonder all the settings vanished :)

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justinh:

women can't park. again – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7472490.stm

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directhex:

why do bad drivers drive cars designed to kill in an accident?

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justinh:

why aren't bad drivers forced to drive cars guaranteed to kill only THEM in an accident? ;)

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directhex:

yes!

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directhex:

join my fiats-for-women campaign!

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justinh:

I decided to say to hell with the 2 second rule the other week. no fucking point on the M60 or the M56. some twat just cuts in

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directhex:

i won't compromise on that one. if other people want to kill themselves, they can do it without me

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directhex:

one thing that drives me up the fecking wall with the "2 second rule doesn't count because brakes are better in my car" crowd is the "how about the guy behind & in front?" problem

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dustybin:

ive decided to remove my gentoo desktop installation and install LFS for educational purposes, it could take months and months before i get a working OS but it will be good for my knowledge

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dustybin:

LFS makes slackware and gentoo look like ubuntu :P

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directhex:

no, gnome and a brown theme does!

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myosotiss:

it doesn't take months and months to build a system from scratch

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myosotiss:

maybe a day or 2 if you have some programming experience and don't mind pulling a few hairs out

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dustybin:

before anyone uses linux, you really need to find out how linux works, you dont get that from installing a ready made distro

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dustybin:

everything is too easy these days, and thats what stops you learning

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dustybin:

i learnt more about mythtv when it was full of bugs

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myosotiss:

or it frees up your time to learn what you really want...

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directhex:

wait, since when did myth stop being full of bugs?

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dustybin:

well as a end user, i dont experience anything wrong with it at all

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dustybin:

its perfect for me :-)

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dustybin:

how about MythTV From Scratch :P

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justinh:

I gave up on LFS when I found out the downloads mostly have to come from sourceforge. what a farse!

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justinh:

or even farce!

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justinh:

arse, even

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directhex:

using other peoples' source is a cop-out

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myosotiss:

lfs has mirrors of all the package versions that it recommends installing

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directhex:

you should write your own kernel

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myosotiss:

a quick wget will snag them all

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myosotiss:

the REAL fun is trying to get docbook working right

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directhex:

docbook hurts

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myosotiss:

I've managed to compile every single piece of software on my comp from source code... but docbook kicks me in the face every time I look at it

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justinh:

yeah like it's really hard to run ./configure, make & make install

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myosotiss:

oh no, that part was easy... for some reason no matter what I do I can't seem to configure it properly

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myosotiss:

xml catalogs and dtds make me want to shoot myself

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directhex:

docbook is super extra fun given the yaml/xml divide

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justinh:

who needs docs anyway? ;-)

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directhex:

books!

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waxhead_:

hi everyone!

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waxhead_:

:)

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waxhead_:

ok ,how do I move my recordings from one drive to the new one?

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directhex:

move them, make sure new drive is in your default storage group

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waxhead_:

that it?

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waxhead_:

the DB will update OK?

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Tomas-:

Made some tests with suspend-to-ram, didn't get it to work. It went into standby but resumed directly, anyone using it successfully on their mythtv frontend?

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myosotiss:

might be some piece of hardware waking it back up, mouse/kb/network card

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justinh:

stupid twatting open office formatting email addresses the retarded MS way.. ARGGHH

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sid3windr:

formatting email addresses?

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justinh:

text cell containing an email address.. formatting it to a stupid font colour

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sid3windr:

ah, ack that :)

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justinh:

I don't want my email address to be in blue when I fax this invoice

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justinh:

heh. default formatting fixed it

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Hoxzer:

Hmm, I suppose there are no plugins for mythtv for streaming live-TV into a mobile phone ?

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Hoxzer:

Prefetably in h264

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directhex:

there's no official on-access transcoder in mythtv

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justinh:

now there'd be a plugin looking for a point in existing :)

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directhex:

justinh, it'd help the people using restricted-codec upnp frontends

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** justinh goes back to not caring **

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Nostahl:

heyey everyone im having trouble with irrecord

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Nostahl:

what is the syntax needed

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justinh:

irrecord --help

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Nostahl:

i read the whole man

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Nostahl:

not quite understanding heh

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justinh:

oh well. we can't be of any help then

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Nostahl:

i think i have the syntax right but its erroring

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justinh:

how is it erm.. erroring?

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Nostahl:

it sys could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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Nostahl:

default_init(); no such file or directory

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Nostahl:

could not init hardware (lircd running ? -> close it, check permissions)

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justinh:

I suspect your lirc device is actually /dev/lirc/0 or /dev/lirc0

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Nostahl:

aye its /dev/lirc0

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Nostahl:

but how do i change it

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justinh:

muh, I read the manual but obviously I'm too thick & missed the part about feeding a device name to irrecord :-\

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Nostahl:

i did irrecord MCE

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Nostahl:

am i suppose to do irrecord /dev/lirc0 ?

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DarkD:

i accessed mythweb via a handheld now my computer seems to be using the mmobile theme?!?!?!

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psymin:

Does anyone get these types of errors when trying to encode from their hauppauge 150? http://rafb.net/p/kdypns43.html

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Nostahl:

ok im doing sudo irrecord /dev/lirc0

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Nostahl:

nothin happins after i hit enter

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Nostahl:

just blank cursor

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Nostahl:

heyey finnaly got it workin heh

[15:20:57]

Nostahl:

took alot of googling to find out that im suppose to press a button on the remote after it gives me that blank cursor lmao

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** psymin helps Nostahl put his 'a' back on. **

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Nostahl:

k so what i figured out is... my remote is already setup out of the box heh

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Nostahl:

every button is named

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Nostahl:

now i just have to go into frontend and set keybindings eh?

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iamlindoro_:

No, now you need to write a lircrc

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Nostahl:

can you point me to a good link?

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iamlindoro_:

look it up in the wiki, there are about three trillion articles on the subject

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iamlindoro_:

Most notably: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

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Nostahl:

looks like the lircrc is all preconfiged too

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Nostahl:

but i want to add a few more buttons to it

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Nostahl:

this is fun :)

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Shadow:

hello everyone

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Shadow:

i am having an issue installing my new wintv-hvr1800

[16:06:03]

Shadow:

how to i setup the analog on it in mythtv

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Ace2016:

Hey guess what i'll be able to use an indoor aerial

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Ace2016:

in 2012 they'll increase the power of the transmission by 10x to 200KW and then it'll definitely work

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iamlindoro_:

What a relief to know that in four years all your reception issues will be solved

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Shadow:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

Shadow: You will need to download and compile the linuxtv Hg drivers, then the HVR-1800 should behave as any normal MPEG-2 encoder card type

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Nostahl:

where's that script that builds the db

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Nostahl:

or whatever

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Shadow:

iamlindoro i did install the hg drivers

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Shadow:

the digital side is working

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iamlindoro_:

Shadow: If that's so, and assuming you installed any and all necessary firmwares, then you should have a /dev/video(somenumber)

[16:10:54]

Shadow:

oh well then i did a dumb thing what firmware do i install

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Shadow:

i just got the card and started from a fresh 8.04 mythbuntu install

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Shadow:

updated everything then installed the hg driver

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iamlindoro_:

I have no idea, you would need to check the linuxtv mailing lists

[16:11:57]

Nostahl:

how could a menu option disapear?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Shadow: Is it dual-tuner, ie seperate digital and analog tuners? If not, you do realize you can only use one at a time...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: It's dual, one analog and one digital

[16:12:12]

Nostahl:

i use to be able to watch streaming video ie stuff like apple movie trailors and such

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Nostahl:

its gone now though

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iamlindoro_:

Nostahl: You are speaking of MythStream, which is unsupported here as it's not part of MythTV... i would guess you had accidentally removed the package for your distro

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

oh, PCIe... I have a HVR-1250, seems to work fine for HD, but makes my PVR-500 jump all over the place every time I re-boot my system, and since installing it, the 2nd tuner on the 500 does funky things with audio (sqaking, like the wrong sample rate), and random mpeg artifacts.... Probably some sort of interrupt conflict...

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Shadow:

J-e-f-f-A|work i know that but i want analog

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: So, the 1800 is more-or-less a PCIe version of the 1600?

[16:16:29]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: No, the PCIe is single tuner, the 180 is dual

[16:16:38]

iamlindoro_:

er the 1600 is single, 1800 is dual, that is

[16:16:56]

iamlindoro_:

1800 is one each of analog and digital, but they are discrete. 1600 is both, but only one at a time

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Ooh, so it can be used in dual-ATSC mode? Hummmm ;-)

[16:17:30]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: No, just one of each

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iamlindoro_:

you can record two programs at once, so long as one is analog and one is digital. w/ the 1600, you can have one or the other, but only one at a time

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Ok, I get it now. ;-) Still would cut down on the required cards in my system... ;-) I've got a PVR-500 and 3x HD tuners in there now... (HD3000, HD5500, and HVR-1250) ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

Now the soon-to-arrive 2250, IIRC, is dual tuner, either analog OR digital

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Nostahl:

there we go ty iamlindoro that was the help i needed to know it possibly was unisntalled just apt-get it and its up and runnin again tyvm!

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iamlindoro_:

w/ hardware encoders on the analogs

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Two HVR-2250s (when available) would be perfect for you, that would be four digital OR analog tuners in whatever configuration you like

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: What I'd love to have is a PCIe 4x card that has like 4 digital tuners and 4 s-video inputs... ;-) Kinda like a RAID card, but for Video recording... ;-) (pipe dream, I know...)

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Yeah, 2250 is probably the best you'll ever do

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: And all 8 'tuners' usable at the same time... ;-)

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Nostahl:

iamlindoro where do i go to figure out what audio device is default for myth tv

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iamlindoro_:

Nostahl: Utilities/Setup->Setup->General, page three or so

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Nostahl:

ty!

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iamlindoro_:

np

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Hows the HD-PVR treating you so far?

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: It's good fun. The support is a long way from complete, but still fun to play with

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iamlindoro_:

Looks very good at the highest bitrate

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: How big are the resulting files? I know normal ATSC 1080i is like 5–6GB/hr... how's the mpeg4 compression from the hd-pvr compare?

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Nostahl:

weird

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Nostahl:

dvd playback is sluggish in mythtv front end

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Well, bitrate is independent of codec, ie 13.5 Mbit of MPEg-2 and 13.5 Mbit of h.264 is the same size over an hour... so yeah, 13.5 Mbit over an hour is 6-point-something GB over an hour

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Nostahl:

but if i play it straight from the desktop in vlc or something its just fine

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Nostahl:

also i get no sound in front end

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Nostahl:

but i do from desktop vlc

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: That's good, at least it's not like 3x larger than the original broadcast... IE: Dish broadcasts their stuff from the sat at 544x480, and it's about 1.2GB/hr, at incredible quality. In order to keep that same quality, I had to run my PVR-500 at a bitrate that created 3GB/hr... (both MPEG2)

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zntneo:

so i just installed mythdora 5 and my nuvexport gives me an error saying

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zntneo:

Loading MythTV recording info.

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zntneo:

0%

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zntneo:

Found 3 files, but no matching database entries.

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zntneo:

any idea why?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

zntneo: No, sounds like a specfic issue with mythdora though... That doesn't sound like anything I've encountered with MythTV itself in the 4 or 5 years I've been running it...

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zntneo:

well i did see a mythtv post to the list about it

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zntneo:

and i don't think that person was running mythdora

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zntneo:

that was a horrible way of explaining it sorry

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

zntneo: What's the context of getting that error? What are you trying to do when it says that?

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zntneo:

oh just running nuvexport at the command line

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zntneo:

oops

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

zntneo: Ok, well, that's something I haven't done... (yet)... Did you record something within MythTV first to export? Because if you didn't, then that would explain why it's not in the Myth database.

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zntneo:

yes i've recorded something

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

zntneo: Ok, well I guess that's as far as I can take you as I haven't used nuvexport before myself... sorry.

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zntneo:

no problem thanks for trying though

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Ace2016:

Hi all

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Ace2016:

when it comes to tv aerials, do i just get one with the most elements?

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zntneo:

hmm maybe i should try reinstalling mythdora

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iamlindoro_:

Maybe I should swat this fly in my office with a Desert Eagle

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zntneo:

well this is a fresh install anyway

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zntneo:

and i'm wondering if some how i messed up nuvexport

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Nostahl:

hey iamlindoro what would cause sluggish dvd playback within the frontend vs playing straight from the desktop

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iamlindoro_:

Could be anything... could be your playback profiles, could be something different in the way the myth parses the DVD... if worst comes to worst, you could always switch the DVD player to whatever you're playing them with form the command line

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zntneo:

iam did you see what my problem was just curious

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zntneo:

so i geuss i'll repeat my problem

[17:37:50]

zntneo:

when i run nuvexport from the command line i get this error

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zntneo:

Loading MythTV recording info.

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zntneo:

0%

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zntneo:

Found 7 files, but no matching database entries.

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zntneo:

Cleaning up temp files.

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /090156.html

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iamlindoro_:

That's straight from the nuvexport author

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Ace2016:

i have an idea

[17:43:33]

Ace2016:

you know how indoor aerials are supposed to be used indoors, what if you mounted one on the roof exactly where a roof aerial would be and wired it up with some ct100 cable?

[17:43:56]

Ace2016:

would you not get an amazing signal?

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|Torg|:

no you would get sunlight to degrade the plastic, and an antenna that would bend and warp the first stiff breeze you got

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iamlindoro_:

No, you would not. What are you smoking?

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BULLE:

hd quality picture fron sd broadcasts !

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BULLE:

( with indoor antenna outdoors on the roof )

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Ace2016:

nope, digital, whats there is whats there, you see the 1 or 0 or not

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iamlindoro_:

It'd still be a piece of shit antenna. They don't make outdoor antenna big ugly behemoths because it's FUN you know

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

one thing to note is that in the US there's no such thing as an HDTV antenna... it's exactly the same frequencies as analog tv, just broadcast in digital instead...

[17:46:12]

Ace2016:

no because they have to survive for years and years? but what if you shielded the antenna with good outdoor plastic, like an umbrella without the metal?

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|Torg|:

and again Ace2016 antenae are not analog or digital, they are simply RF recivers

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Ace2016:

so for each freq don't you have a signal present or not?

[17:47:13]

Ace2016:

or is the frequency too low for that?

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iamlindoro_:

Ace2016: Indoor antennas are tiny, poor antennas for those that can get away with them by living right by the towers. Outdoor antennas are made with higher quality material, with more attention to the engineering, more directional, etc.

[17:47:29]

iamlindoro_:

And indoor antenna is NOT the same thing as an outdoor, and should not be used as such

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|Torg|:

well that is the job of the tuner, but an anteana is simply the thing the tuner uses to detect RF

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Ace2016:

i'm tempted to stick an outdoor aerial indoors

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Nostahl:

hrmm i got mplayer working!

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro_: Depends. Some "indoor" ones are attic use.

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|Torg|:

and outdoor antenna looks like it does becaus eth arials (the spikes from it) are specifc lenghts and specifc distance apart

[17:48:10]

Nostahl:

some of my video's are not playing through the frontend

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Ace2016:

so more elements on the aerial = better?

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Nostahl:

but they work fine from desktop

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Dibblah:

Ace2016: More directional.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ace2016: unless your house has metal (Aluminum) siding, an antenna in the attic might work ok for you.

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Nostahl:

there all encoded the same too wich is weird heh

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|Torg|:

Ace2016: not exactly it depends on if you have majoional signal or not, precise cut arails are however

[17:49:15]

|Torg|:

there are differnt array types as well, some are better then others, some are omni direcional some are directional

[17:49:32]

|Torg|:

again it depends on how far away the brodcast is and the power at which they boradcast

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ace2016: If you're in the US, head over to http://www.antennaweb.org and see what you can receive... And how good of an antenna you would need.

[17:50:06]

zntneo:

i think i know what was wrong . I didn't have my storage groups set up correctly

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Ace2016:

i looked it up, at freeview.co.uk i'm in the middle of 4 receivers, right in the middle

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|Torg|:

you can also be too close

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|Torg|:

an ariel broadcasts rf in a doughnut shape, so you have to be inside that donut, if you are too close you can not see it

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Ace2016:

too close so that it doesn't project downwards enough for the signal to fall on the aerial? would you not just have to lift it higher?

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|Torg|:

thats for an omidirecitonal antenna, most are not

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|Torg|:

others bordcast in a US football shape, I belvie what you refer to as a rugby ball and go much farther

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|Torg|:

I dont know where you can find it for the UK but in the US every tower is registerd with the FCC and you can look up each one

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Ace2016:

why do i see low db gain values for outdoor aerials and high values for indoor ones?

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zntneo:

will a nuvexportrc from mythtv pre current versoin work on this versoin?

[17:53:59]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ace2016: Maybe you need an 'omnidirectional amplified antenna' like I was using originally — looks like a 2' ufo-shaped disc. It's got a variable gain amp, and I've got it mounted on a pole on my roof.

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Ace2016:

2' is a bit small, how good is the signal in your region?

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|Torg|:

I use an array anteanna, ala the 1970's with a preamp, I can get signals as far away as 75 miles

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|Torg|:

sorta depends on weather too, as signal can skip

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ace2016: I'm about 25 miles from Boston, it was decent for analog tv when I was using it (about 6 yrs ago). I now have a 42" Yagi UHF antenna pointing at boston for my HD over-the-air stuff... I get about 22 channels (counting the sub-channels here)

[17:56:18]

|Torg|:

it also helps everything I watch is all bordcast wining 5 miles of each other, my antenna needs to be aimed

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Ace2016:

i've seen Yagi UHF a lot, is Yagi a make or is it a name for a design?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg|: (did you leave out the word 'never'? ;-) )

[17:57:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ace2016: The name of the design. It's highly directional, high gain.

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|Torg|:

http://www.winegard.com/

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|Torg|:

Yagi is a design type of anteana with optosing array pieces, it is a directional antenna as well (meaning you have to aim it)

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|Torg|:

think if the letter H with the ends being ariels, thats a Yagi

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Ace2016:

aiming would be ok, point, scan, point, scan, point scan

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg|: Here's mine... http://www.radioshack.com/home/index.jsp?productId=2103088 (actually it's only 40"...)

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Ace2016:

that link does not work for me

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|Torg|:

http://www.winegard.com/offair/antennas/hd7210p.htm

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|Torg|:

thats what I use

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|Torg|:

try http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?p . . . igkw=2103088

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|Torg|:

and Ace2016 I dont know how much the cost in the UK but in the US they are generally under $100, and you can get good ones for under $50

[18:03:45]

Ace2016:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

... Mine was only $30 usd... But it's directional. Sounds like you'd need an 'omnidirectional' antenna to pick up from 4 different directions... or 4 antennas!

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|Torg|:

and I only use winegard as I have used them for years, dating back to my BUD dish

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Ace2016:

well if i get a directional one i can just tune to the closest one

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ace2016: Think of it this way – you can only see the direction you're looking at, right? That's basically how a directional antenna works – it can't pick up signals from other directions. (or very weak signals from other directions)

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|Torg|:

actaully J-e-f-f-A most work, bidirectional with a smaller footprint 180 degrees off from the main

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Ace2016:

what exactly are you saying? i will point it at the closest one

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|Torg|:

Ace2016: how far away and at what frequencies do these brodcasts come from?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ace2016: You would want to point it to the farthest one, or right in the middle of all of them if they're in one general direction.

[18:10:21]

Ace2016:

the website didn't say, its crystal palace thats the closest transmitter

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|Torg|:

how far away is it?

[18:10:51]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ace2016: But you seemed to indicate they were in 4 different directions, right? If so, you wouldn't want a directional antenna, unless you had a rotor that you could control with Myth, and even then, you could only receive station(s) that the antenna was pointing at.

[18:11:10]

Ace2016:

yea there are 4 transmitters around me

[18:11:36]

Ace2016:

why would i need to rotate it? they all broadcast all the channels

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|Torg|:

a brodcast antenna is not a one size fits all, like your reciever they have specifc anteann to bordcast with (in fact its much more critical they use tuned antenna), sitting off a tow are usuuly mor ethen one

[18:12:55]

|Torg|:

if you get more then one channel from one tower it has more then one brodcast antenna

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Ace2016:

ok distance to the transmitter is 14 miles

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|Torg|:

I for example get 28 statiions off 8 towers all about 5 miles from each other

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Ace2016:

the others are 17, 19 and 39

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|Torg|:

can you get everything from tower 14 miles away, or do you need to see stuff from multiple towers?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ace2016: Unless the UK is different from the US, there's only one or a few stations on each tower... I can get away with pointing my antenna at Boston since there are 6 towers in the rough general area that I can pull in with my antenna aimed in that direction.

[18:14:25]

Ace2016:

everything from all towers

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|Torg|:

14 miles is well withing the range of an omni antenna

[18:15:27]

|Torg|:

so is 17 and 19 for that matter, the 39 is not

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

as is 17 and 19.... 39 would probably be pushing it...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^ ditto! ;-)

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|Torg|:

Ace2016: can you access your roof?

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Ace2016:

nope, i'm putting it in the loft

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|Torg|:

when you say loft is this living area? or is this what we call the attic?

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|Torg|:

i.e. are there walls of bricks or concreet arround it, or is it a wooden roof with shingles? what are the shingles made of?

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Ace2016:

attic, no bricks just tiling and wood beams holding it up

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|Torg|:

then you can put the antenna inside the attic just fine

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|Torg|:

your tiles on the roof are the ceramic or clay?

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Ace2016:

ceramic

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Ace2016:

ceramic or clay? wouldn't either be fine?

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|Torg|:

no either will block to some degee your tv signal, as well clay brick and morot

[18:22:29]

|Torg|:

probbly not enough to effect RF that is 14 miles from you, but is there some reason you can not put it attacked to the chimny or on a pole outside?

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Ace2016:

yes, its very high and i don't want to fall off

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|Torg|:

very high is excelent, dont you have a ladder? cant you pay someone to install it?

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Ace2016:

i don't even have a ladder that high

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Ace2016:

i could pay someone to install it but i can't just mess with it myself

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directhex:

kelp.

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|Torg|:

well at least its not a metal roof or foil faced insulation :)

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Ace2016:

i hope its not

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Ace2016:

bye all i have to eat

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Hoxzer:

Is there a way to execute a userjob on command line so I can see its output ?

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zntneo:

when mythtv runs a userjob what user does it run it as?

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iamlindoro_:

Hoxzer: It should dump all output into the backend log

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iamlindoro_:

zntneo: Whichever user is running the backend

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Hoxzer:

iamlindoro_: thank you

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iamlindoro_:

np

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zntneo:

thats what i thought

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zntneo:

any clue why my user jobs are not running?

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iamlindoro_:

zntneo: Most commonly, because people fail to read the documentatio, and therefore fail to check the "allow user job 1/2/3/4" in mythtv-setup

[18:37:00]

zntneo:

hmm i thought i did that i'll check

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Hoxzer:

hmm, aint seeing anything >_<

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Hoxzer:

iamlindoro_: If I made a userjob like: echo "Hello World" it shoudl show up int he log

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Hoxzer:

?

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Hoxzer:

if I executed it on a recording

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dustybin:

anyone here use a newsgroup reader?

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dustybin:

pine?

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iamlindoro_:

I heart Unison on OS X, but Pan for linux appears decent

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zntneo:

ok i got them running now my nuvexport isn't working correctly

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zntneo:

No config found; attempting to find mythbackend via UPnP.

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zntneo:

No backends found. Please copy /root/.mythtv/config.xml from a working MythTV installation instead.

[19:01:17]

zntneo:

Compilation failed in require at /usr/bin/nuvexport line 36, <STDIN> line 1.

[19:01:17]

zntneo:

BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/nuvexport line 36, <STDIN> line 1.

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zntneo:

what does that mean?

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Dibblah:

Don't paste in channel.

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zntneo:

sorry

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noaxess_kubuntu:

hi all

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noaxess_kubuntu:

while i am watching tv, can i plan any other show for recording.. i mean search for any show?

[19:02:27]

zntneo:

http://pastebin.com/m43fad5cf

[19:02:35]

zntneo:

what does that stuff mean?

[19:02:40]

Anduin:

noaxess_kubuntu: hit s

[19:02:56]

Anduin:

noaxess_kubuntu: or go to the menu

[19:03:06]

noaxess_kubuntu:

Anduin: yes and then? how can i search for any show.. text search

[19:03:23]

noaxess_kubuntu:

Anduin: if i go to menu, livetv will be stopped..

[19:03:36]

noaxess_kubuntu:

i want watch and at the same time make some recording plans

[19:03:48]

Anduin:

noaxess_kubuntu: Ok, not not a text search.

[19:03:59]

Anduin:

er no not

[19:03:59]

Dibblah:

noaxess_kubuntu: Hit R first.

[19:04:22]

noaxess_kubuntu:

Dibblah: when?

[19:04:38]

Anduin:

When watching Live TV, it will just record it so you can exit.

[19:05:18]

Dibblah:

zntneo: Which installation guide are you following?

[19:05:31]

noaxess_kubuntu:

Anduin: hm.. no chance to do both? wating and make recording plan?

[19:05:46]

zntneo:

i've already installed and i followed the mythtv one

[19:06:16]

Dibblah:

zntneo: There's a couple of installation walkthroughs.

[19:06:25]

Dibblah:

Jarods used to be quite popular.

[19:06:28]

zntneo:

i mean the one from mythtv.org

[19:06:57]

iamlindoro_:

It means your backend is running the job as a user who does not have a ~/.mythtv/config.xml, just like the PLAIN ENGLISH error says

[19:06:59]

Dibblah:

zntneo: That error means (probably) that you've not started the backend.

[19:07:18]

Dibblah:

iamlindoro_: I thought you were trying to be nicer?

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iamlindoro_:

Dibblah: No, people just remarked that I *seemed* to be nicer, I'm still mean ;)

[19:07:44]

Dibblah:

zntneo: Which suggests that you may be better off following a walkthrough to complete the install.

[19:08:05]

zntneo:

its started i think i might have fixed it

[19:08:14]

Dibblah:

Oh, great news :)

[19:08:45]

Anduin:

noaxess_kubuntu: not with a text search, you can get the program guide and the list, but every search isn't available

[19:08:57]

Dibblah:

Now that might be taken as being nice. On the other hand, it could be extreme sarcasm. The great thing about IRC is that the reader chooses!

[19:09:18]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: We could always ask for the home phone numbers of people's parents and scold them for not teaching their kids to read.

[19:09:34]

zntneo:

the odd thing was that in mythdora mythbackend is run as root so root needed a file in its home directory that was in another users directory

[19:09:36]

Dibblah:

I blame short attention spans.

[19:09:53]

Dagmar:

I blame white people.

[19:10:02]

iamlindoro_:

imagine that, just like the error message tells you to do *eyeroll*

[19:10:03]

Dagmar:

...and orange people.

[19:10:25]

Dagmar:

...and absolutely I blame blue people. They're the worst.

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Dagmar:

Actually today I blame benadryl.

[19:11:41]

noaxess_kubuntu:

Anduin: that would be a feature :)

[19:11:50]

Dagmar:

We meed to go ahead and pave over everyting.

[19:13:29]

dustybin:

does mythtv have any newsgroups?

[19:13:35]

iamlindoro_:

no

[19:14:09]

Dagmar:

Thank god

[19:14:41]

dustybin:

iamlindoro_: i like the idea of being able to read general linux news from my terminal whilst im at work, im looking for a console based newsreader but having diffculty in deciding

[19:15:49]

dustybin:

this is what debian packages brings up

[19:15:51]

dustybin:

http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2654

[19:16:02]

dustybin:

a lot of them are connected to 'USENET'

[19:17:59]

dustybin:

NNTP ftw

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Dagmar:

Try tin or trn

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Dagmar:

I mean, the over-arching problem here is that no matter what you do...

[19:20:43]

Dagmar:

...they're all going to be accessing usenet.

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dustybin:

aye ok

[19:21:13]

dustybin:

i like the look of mutt, nice mail reader, there are some patches to make it read news too

[19:23:32]

dustybin:

i think a combined mailer and newsreader would be nice :)

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Ace2016:

OMG i found a use for the pcie-1x card :O

[19:46:57]

Ace2016:

i was sooo wrong about them being useless

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Dagmar:

Ace2016: New to computers, are ya?

[19:59:54]

Ace2016:

no but they are the stupidest slots i can imagine, why not just add 4 pci-e16 instead of 2 pci-e16 and 2 pci-e1

[20:00:51]

abqjp:

I want to make my frontend a "last resort" backend. It does not have much disk in it, and I would rather leave commercial flagging to the main backend machine. Any tips or tricks?

[20:00:55]

Dagmar:

Because not everything needs sixteen lanes for data transport, dude.

[20:01:11]

Dagmar:

Gigabit ethernet cards for example. They're just fine with only one lane.

[20:01:11]

iamlindoro_:

Nor can the 1x things max out their single lanes :)

[20:01:47]

Dagmar:

abqjp: Generally non-master backends don't get assigned jobs unless the master is already busy

[20:02:12]

Ace2016:

but what if someone wants to do a 4x SLI setup? its better to have the option to add 4 16x devices rather than have it limited to just 2?

[20:02:19]

abqjp:

jobs, as in commercial flagging? That is good.

[20:02:27]

Dagmar:

If you need more granularity than that, you're going to have to define "last resort" better.

[20:02:41]

Dagmar:

Why bother running a backend on the frontend at all

[20:03:18]

Ace2016:

because if the frontend is idle then you can do load balancing?

[20:03:26]

abqjp:

Dagmar: I want to take advantage of a directv receiver that is near the frontend.

[20:03:51]

Ace2016:

say do 1 job on the front end, something low priority?

[20:05:26]

abqjp:

The frontend has about 150GB available. I would like to record the the local disk, then have a job move the recording to the master backend. That would require updating the DB to have a different hostname associated with the recording, though, right?

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Ace2016:

can't you have multiple backends?

[20:06:02]

Ace2016:

can't you move the card to the master backend?

[20:06:26]

Ace2016:

or get it to record directly to the master backend? i swear i saw a diagram with external boxes with tuners recording to the master backend

[20:06:28]

abqjp:

Personally, I am running two backend computer, and two frontend computers.

[20:07:08]

abqjp:

I could NFS mount the backend onto the frontend, but I am not impressed with NFS performance.

[20:07:34]

Ace2016:

so? as long as it can keep up its fine

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clever:

it performs plenty for my mythtv uses

[20:08:06]

abqjp:

okay. I will give that a try.

[20:08:20]

abqjp:

Any tips on tuning NFS?

[20:09:01]

iamlindoro_:

abqjp: Hey there man, check this out, there's a little here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Optimizing_Performance

[20:09:21]

iamlindoro_:

abqjp: Thanks for the tip re: Monoprice yesterday, I ordered one

[20:09:32]

abqjp:

iamlindoro: thanks, I will read that.

[20:09:51]

abqjp:

iamlindoro: your welcome. Did you order a RGB->Component too?

[20:09:59]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, got the Box1020

[20:10:14]

iamlindoro_:

seemed like the best solution, don't mind paying a bit more if I know the workmanship is solid

[20:10:38]

abqjp:

The box1020 gets good reviews. Let me know how it works out.

[20:10:40]

iamlindoro_:

No point it going so far for quality and cheaping out in the end :)

[20:10:49]

abqjp:

Exactly!

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, MCEUSB for $10 at newegg right now for anyone who needs a new remote

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

[20:27:46]

Dagmar:

Looks like someone's broken part of fixes

[20:27:59]

Dagmar:

I have beaucoup tempdirs lurking about in /tmp

[20:28:01]

Dagmar:

Pfft.

[20:28:13]

sphery:

what kind of tempdirs?

[20:28:19]

sphery:

(names)

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bsdfox_:

I hate programs that use /tmp

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: got a link? I can't find it with a search.

[20:32:57]

sphery:

Dagmar: do you have directory names? Will tell which part is leaving them behind...

[20:33:36]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: yeah, hang on, it's an open box deal though

[20:33:52]

sphery:

just want to compare it to my current.

[20:34:02]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880125001R

[20:34:05]

sphery:

thx

[20:34:18]

iamlindoro_:

sure, or the nicer one for $20

[20:34:19]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121003R

[20:34:43]

iamlindoro_:

er $26

[20:35:04]

sphery:

that nicer one is pretty huge

[20:36:13]

iamlindoro_:

I keep meaning to pop one of mine open and replace the Windows logo, but I'm just too lazy

[20:36:22]

iamlindoro_:

I actually like the oldest ones with the backlight

[20:36:30]

iamlindoro_:

of the mce remotes, that is

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sphery:

Hmmm. On the eDATA DEC-200B, "Wireless Technology: Infrared", "Features: The DEC-200 system, is a RF, USB whole Package device that will allow you to control your entertainment digital components"

[20:37:15]

sphery:

RF or IR?

[20:37:31]

iamlindoro_:

It's IR, I was wondering about that too

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sphery:

I wondered if maybe it was RF, but they said IR because of the "IR blaster" (which, is /not/ a blaster, but a transmitter, as it has to be stuck directly to the STB)

[20:40:25]

sphery:

blaster = blasts a signal strong enough to bounce off walls and hit a component within the room, transmitter could be low-powered and require line of sight (all blasters are transmitters, some transmitters are blasters)

[20:41:00]

sphery:

calling a transmitter that's not a blaster a blaster is a personal pet peeve of mine

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abqjp:

I recently went from fixes to trunk. I have noticed that some font sizes have changed. Is that intentional, or do I have something miss-configured?

[20:55:53]

iamlindoro_:

abqjp: I noticed the changes as well, I had passed it off as different font handling in qt4, but maybe it's more than that

[20:56:05]

iamlindoro_:

The font smoothing seems nicer

[20:56:31]

|Torg|:

it does seem more readable, I thoght it was from qt4 myself

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abqjp:

Mostly, I see smaller fonts in the menus. Some are smaller than I would like.

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abqjp:

http://brentevans.blogspot.com/2008/06/hauppa . . . r-linux.html

[21:12:09]

Dagmar:

Wait, IS that an HD-PVR in the picture?

[21:12:20]

Dagmar:

WTF is with the composite and s-video ports on it

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iamlindoro_:

Yup, they're there

[21:13:14]

janneg:

Dagmar: without them the linux driver wouldn't be so far it is now

[21:13:15]

sphery:

so HD-PVR will do standard def analog, too?

[21:13:21]

iamlindoro_:

yeah

[21:13:26]

sid3windr:

heh

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sphery:

wow. didn't realize that

[21:13:41]

sid3windr:

did they intentionally place the remote in front on http://www.shspvr.com/pvr_model/haup_hd_pvr1.jpg ? ;)

[21:13:46]

Dagmar:

Okay, I figured the things were component input/passthru only

[21:14:24]

** sphery thinks they should have called it (S|H)D-PVR **

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iamlindoro_:

dunno why they'd want to obscure *more* input options... That shot is pretty close to a lot of their promotional shots

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janneg:

grrr, he mispelled my name

[21:15:46]

iamlindoro_:

probably based on the domain name

[21:15:52]

abqjp:

janneg: how do you pronounce your name?

[21:16:24]

iamlindoro_:

Yawn-uh?

[21:16:35]

iamlindoro_:

I assume a John equivalent?

[21:16:38]

jduggan:

'steve'

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iamlindoro_:

haha

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jduggan:

:)

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monkeyBox:

Hi all. I've been having an annoying problem for a long time now — my myth box seems to crash (hard) during unattended recordings, about 50% of the time. I've been having this problem for about 8 months now and I have never had it crash while watching "live tv

[21:25:16]

Dagmar:

What tuner card are you using?

[21:25:22]

monkeyBox:

PCHDTV5500

[21:26:04]

monkeyBox:

I've also done CPU stress tests, memory tests, the whole 9 yards...

[21:26:08]

jarle:

monkeyBox: are you using EIT scanning? (This is known to be unstable if your signals are not stron enough)

[21:27:06]

directhex:

analog or digital recording with that card?

[21:27:19]

monkeyBox:

directhex, Digital (QAM)

[21:27:27]

directhex:

how's your reception?

[21:27:48]

Dagmar:

By hard crash you do mean the ENTIRE machine becomes unresponsive, right?

[21:27:49]

monkeyBox:

directhex, pretty good on the main channels. I can usually watch "live tv" for hours on end

[21:28:21]

Dagmar:

You've never had it misbehave while doing live TV?

[21:28:25]

directhex:

monkeyBox, any bad reception markers? green macroblocks, "bloop" sounds?

[21:28:34]

monkeyBox:

Dagmar, YES — screen goes blank, no net connectivity, etc..

[21:28:37]

jarle:

monkeyBox: buggy EIT scanning will only make the backend crash, not the entire machine...

[21:28:43]

monkeyBox:

directhex, no, nothing like that

[21:28:51]

directhex:

random appearences of rose tyler sometimes when you're not watching the screen?

[21:29:01]

monkeyBox:

yeah, this is _hard_ crashing. have to press the hard-reset button

[21:29:07]

monkeyBox:

directhex, hehe

[21:29:21]

Dagmar:

So if this is *actually* only happening when you're not watching it, I'd say there's no telling

[21:29:32]

directhex:

it's a watched pot paradox

[21:29:36]

directhex:

you need a webcam.

[21:29:43]

directhex:

plug the webcam... into the backend!

[21:29:49]

Dagmar:

Otherwise the only thing I can even think of suggesting is raising the PCI latency on the card

[21:29:50]

monkeyBox:

yeah, I've never had it happen while I've been watching it.

[21:30:04]

directhex:

hmm, good question. which mobo chipset?

[21:30:09]

monkeyBox:

intel

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Dagmar:

The PVR-500 had the ability to hard-crash machines when their latency wasn't set way out there, because it would starve the disk controller and get the whole machine into an effed up and hard locked state

[21:30:23]

jarle:

monkeyBox: maybe it is related to powersaving?

[21:30:28]

monkeyBox:

hmm

[21:30:45]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking jarle is onto something serious

[21:31:04]

Dagmar:

Recording and watching live TV ain't that much different, and if anything live TV should be MORE likely to crash the machine

[21:31:06]

directhex:

ooh, clever

[21:31:13]

monkeyBox:

yeah

[21:31:14]

jarle:

monkeyBox: Try turning of powersaving in the BIOS maybe?

[21:31:15]

monkeyBox:

could be

[21:31:28]

dustybin:

mythtv is never live

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directhex:

which network chip?

[21:31:32]

** monkeyBox is checking bios right now **

[21:31:35]

directhex:

or network driver, anyway

[21:32:01]

monkeyBox:

02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller

[21:32:15]

directhex:

hm, e1000. i don't blame e1000 for things

[21:32:32]

bsdfox_:

Dagmar: ivtv sets the pcilatency automatically now

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dustybin:

good driver

[21:32:45]

Dagmar:

MIght be that the disks are going to sleep

[21:33:57]

** directhex snores **

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sid3windr:

e1000 has had its share of bugs :)

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directhex:

sid3windr, sure, but overall it's of decent quality. compare it to sky2 for example

[21:36:04]

sid3windr:

ack =)

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sid3windr:

though I had a big fight with that one powersaving bug :]

[21:38:44]

monkeyBox:

Ok, looking at my BIOS, under "Power Management Setup", I see "ACPI Suspend Type (S1 or S3)" and "CPU THRM-Throttling: 50%".. everything else is just wake-on settings

[21:38:56]

monkeyBox:

I have no idea what CPU THRM-Throttling is

[21:39:40]

Dagmar:

Thermal throttling, dude.

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jarle:

monkeyBox: You can start bu turning ACPI Suspend to disabled

[21:39:58]

Dagmar:

You want thermal throttling.

[21:40:08]

monkeyBox:

jarle, unfortunately it only gives me "S1" and "S3" options

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jarle:

monkeyBox: ok, one is suspend to RAM and one is suspend to HD if I remember correctly...

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jarle:

monkeyBox: allows for quicker startup...

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Dagmar:

Don't think so

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Dagmar:

One just shuts down the CPU

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Dagmar:

...leaves all the other stuff "lit"

[21:41:50]

Dagmar:

The other mode shuts down power to everything but the RAM.

[21:42:02]

Dagmar:

Don't ask me which one is which tho'. That's a WIkipedia question

[21:42:27]

Dagmar:

Suspend-to-disk is usually referred to as hibernation.

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sid3windr:

s1 is the former, s3 is the latter

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monkeyBox:

Is there a way to just disable all power management settings via the kernel args?

[21:42:57]

Dagmar:

Yeah.

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Dagmar:

noacpi iirc

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sid3windr:

acpi=off

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sid3windr:

you're aiming for noapic ;)

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Dagmar:

...but it's like this... If this were something that the kernel were in control of, and it was killing the machines, someone else would have noticed it.

[21:43:51]

sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

they both exist, it seems

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sid3windr:

ah no, pci=noacpi is the other ;)

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Dagmar:

I think it's more likely one of your drives is going to sleep from inactivity, and when the thing gets to the time to record and starts to try to write a bunch of stuff in a hurry, that disk startup time is enough to completely bone things

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sid3windr:

acpi in kernel requires working acpi on motherboard

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sid3windr:

which may be problematic

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monkeyBox:

Dagmar, good theory, except sometimes it crashes about 30 min. into a recording.

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Tomas-:

Should there be a problem going from stock debian 2.6.18 to 2.6.25–9 in regards to mythfrontend? Tried recompiling everything, it just wont display anything, mplayer etc works fine. When using -v all it just hangs after the upnp stuff

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monkeyBox:

And I've found that 100% of the time it crashes it is in the middle of a recording (because I'll bring the box back up and find a half-recorded show)

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Dagmar:

Ah well

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monkeyBox:

sometimes it's a few seconds into the recording, sometimes 45 minutes into it

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Dagmar:

Well, the good news is that since you've tested the *rest* of the hardware, you know which thing to replace to fix it. ;)

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monkeyBox:

but whenever I come home and find my box down, there's a partial recording sitting there

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monkeyBox:

Dagmar, which thing is that?

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Dagmar:

The PCHDTV5500 card.

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monkeyBox:

heh

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monkeyBox:

yeah, I guess that could be the cause, though I've never found anyone else that has experienced the same thing

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Dagmar:

That would be more evidence that the problem is failing/borderline hardware

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jarle:

in case anybody here happen to know this already (I'm reading "man hdparm" to see if I can figure this out) How can I check if a drive is set to spin down? Ofcourse I want my backend to never spin down...

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monkeyBox:

hdparm -S ?

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jarle:

monkeyBox: yeah, I guess hdparm -S == hdparm -S0

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stuarta:

evenin

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jarle:

monkeyBox: actually hdparm -S was not allowed, it had to be followed by "0"

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Beirdo:

muhahah

[22:05:02]

Beirdo:

less than a week until employment starts

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Beirdo:

YAY

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stuarta:

\o/

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stuarta:

i take it life is going well then?

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Beirdo:

yup :)

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stuarta:

how's doggie?

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** EvilGuru might have another go at installing his Nova-T 500 tomorrow **

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Beirdo:

and I just made myself a script to massage MP3 files from podcasts, put em on a multi-session CDR for use in the car

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stuarta:

nice

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Beirdo:

Princess is bored because Duquesa (the second doggie) is in heat and doesn't wanna play much

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stuarta:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

two female dogs, BTW

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Beirdo:

otherwise we'd have an ever-expanding number :)

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stuarta:

suspect that :)

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stuarta:

suspected

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Beirdo:

since I couldn't find CDRW at Costco... I'll be burning about 1 CDR/week to listen to in the car to/from work

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Beirdo:

as it's 1.5h each way

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stuarta:

that's a long drive

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stuarta:

or a low speed limit

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Beirdo:

burning daily with multi-session is the plan

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stuarta:

stuff from back home?

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Beirdo:

it's a fair sidstance

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Beirdo:

the first half is at 65mph on a freeway

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Beirdo:

the second half (time-wise) is 50mph through towns with stoplights

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monkeyBox:

Ok, well I'm going to try disabling acpi for now and see how that goes...

[22:10:24]

monkeyBox:

thanks all for the suggestions :)

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monkeyBox:

If this doesn't fix it, I may have to find a new HD card :-p

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Beirdo:

so I figure for a 3h total commute, it'd be nice to have something to listen to when I get bored of the radio

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Beirdo:

I think I'll tweak this script to not make wave files though... lame can read MP3 files just fine

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Beirdo:

right now, I decode with mplayer -> wave, then use lame -> mp3 again

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dustybin:

is 4 pounds a month worth spending for newsgroup access?

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Beirdo:

depends how much you use it :)

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dustybin:

all i want to do is read linux news

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dustybin:

i dont need gigs and gigs

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

there are some free services out there if your bandwidth usage is low enough

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dustybin:

Beirdo: aye interesting

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stuarta:

i'm sure google archives it

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stuarta:

or gmane

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dustybin:

stuarta: i want it to be terminal based

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Beirdo:

and yeah, likely can use google too if you don't want to run your own server

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

heh

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dustybin:

a proper NNTP server

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Beirdo:

inn + tin it is :)

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stuarta:

do they still exist?

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Beirdo:

hell yeah

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dustybin:

i will use slrn as the client

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Beirdo:

my condolences :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but whatever works for you :)

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dustybin:

why whats wrong with that?

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dustybin:

:-0

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Beirdo:

oh nothing, I'm just a tin user :)

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dustybin:

is tin terminal based?

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dustybin:

i can flick between, irssi, rtorrent, mutt, and a newsreader from ssh

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dustybin:

ideal for work

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dustybin:

using screen

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Beirdo:

tin is terminal based, yes

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stuarta:

lack of work more like ;-)

[22:17:04]

Beirdo:

but slrn works too

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dustybin:

Beirdo: ill try out tin

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dustybin:

shame my ISP doesnt have any newsgroup servers i can use

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

many don't anymore

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Beirdo:

they should

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Beirdo:

forums su-diddley-uck

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stuarta:

news went to the dogs longs before the forums did

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** jarle is missing a newsgroup for mythtv, a mailing list is just not the same :( **

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Beirdo:

jarle: I hear ya

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sid3windr:

luckily :)

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dustybin:

i saw a documentary with linus torvalds and he said he reads newsgroups all the time, thats why i want it

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Beirdo:

stupid users are everywhere, but forum software makes it all too easy to be a tard publically

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Dagmar:

I suspect Linus has his news reader white-listing most groups he looks at

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jarle:

Beirdo: actually there used to be a newsgroup that would carry the mythtv-users mailinglist, but the maintainers of the mailing list somehow descided that that would not allow for it any more...

[22:21:19]

Beirdo:

yeah

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dustybin:

if you have to pay for news servers i think they are less likely to be infected with idiots

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Dagmar:

Because it gets you spammed like a mofo

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Beirdo:

I know. Locally at home, it's a newsgroup anyways

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Dagmar:

dustybin: Not so. Usenet is all one place.

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Beirdo:

I gate it myself

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Beirdo:

Usenet is all one place?!

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Beirdo:

huh?

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stuarta:

hahhahaha

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Beirdo:

does not compute

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stuarta:

not possible

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Dagmar:

You can be posting from an expensive account, and there's still some ignorant reprobate in Colorado using the library to paste in pictures of goats having sex with egg beaters

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** stuarta still remembers servers needing solid state disk to keep up with a news feed **

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stuarta:

goat & egg beaters is an image i don't need

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Dagmar:

<-- was using Usenet from when spam wasn't tolerated at all.

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Dagmar:

There are some *truly* ignorant mofos on there

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stuarta:

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stuarta:

and irc

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Dagmar:

Nah

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Dagmar:

The ones on usenet are much worse.

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stuarta:

was using that before it grew up and got chanserv's etc

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Dagmar:

They loves them some ad nauseum argumentation

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Beirdo:

well, gotta go

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stuarta:

ah the good old days

[22:25:17]

** stuarta waves **

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dustybin:

are there any other news networks apart from usenet

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dustybin:

maybe linux based ones

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stuarta:

they tend be based upon linux or bsd anyway

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stuarta:

usenet never really made it to winblows

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Dagmar:

Over IRC, since the message lengths are relatively short, people can generally only get as far as "When will you stsop f**king your sister?"

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dustybin:

i think a lot of people use them for warez and pr0n too

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dustybin:

thats what causes bandwidth issues and high prices

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dustybin:

if it was me, my news server would be text only with no spam

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dustybin:

alt.mythtv.news

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Dagmar:

Actually, alt.binaries is a good 60% or more of all usenet traffic, so yeah

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Dagmar:

It's been as high as 80% at different times

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dustybin:

jeeze

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Dagmar:

Yeah, that's a lot of warez and porno

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dustybin:

aye

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stuarta:

that's all that was in there last time i looked

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stuarta:

shit 15yrs ago most usenet servers wouldn't carry alt.binaries

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dustybin:

im gonna have a look see if i can find free server access

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jarle:

dustybin: google should give you along list of free servers...

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

i found a working one :)

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stuarta:

\o/

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jarle:

/\

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jarle:

sortof ascii art....

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stuarta:

at least mine looks like a small celebration :)

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jarle:

I just added the bottom part...

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stuarta:

ah

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stuarta:

\o/

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stuarta:

|

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stuarta:

\

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stuarta:

bugger

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jarle:

:)

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stuarta:

\o/

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stuarta:

|

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stuarta:

/\

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stuarta:

heh

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Tomas-:

What kernels are you running on your frontends?

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Tomas-:

2.6.24?

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Tomas-:

2.6.25?

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jarle:

2.6.24

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jarle:

(latets ubuntu)

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Tomas-:

ok, I'll try that then

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jarle:

latest actually...

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Tomas-:

2.6.25 didn't work for me

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Dagmar:

1.3.16

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Dagmar:

I'm hardcore.

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stuarta:

yes 2.6.24 & .18

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jarle:

Dagmar: lol, does that support USB ? :)

[22:40:24]

Dagmar:

Pretty sure it didn't.

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Dagmar:

USB didn't exists then

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Dagmar:

s/exists/exist/;

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Tomas-:

ah ... 1.x.x that was some time ago

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Tomas-:

when slackware ruled ;)

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stuarta:

some?

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stuarta:

it's the dark ages!

[22:41:13]

** stuarta remembers 0.99r13 :) **

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Tomas-:

:p

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stuarta:

that was the first publicly release linux version

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stuarta:

as a rolled up distro (sorta)

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GreyFoxx:

Slackware still rules! :)

[22:42:24]

stuarta:

meh, this was SLS iirc

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directhex:

stuarta, yggdrasil was the first distro

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stuarta:

that definitely came out after 0.99r13

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directhex:

the beta came with 0.99.5

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** stuarta believes 0.99.5 > 0.99r13 **

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directhex:

ooh, neato! http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/dis . . . s/yggdrasil/

[22:51:33]

stuarta:

who would have thought that google would only get 4 hits from "linux 0.99r13"

[22:52:01]

stuarta:

ooo nice

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stuarta:

fyi. i downloaded 0.99r13 in 92

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stuarta:

iirc

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directhex:

my first taste of linux left me with such an impression, i swore off it for about 4 years as a garbage "alternative os" which was a million miles from other non-windows systems like beos

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dustybin:

tin kicks ass

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stuarta:

heh. i had linux installed with X in < 100Mb

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directhex:

and it sucked compared to be :)

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stuarta:

ah, i aspired to have a copy of be

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Woo hoo! I actually owned a BeBox :)

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Tomas-:

bebox had some cool features like analog/digital inputs etc...

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directhex:

stuarta, i own a copy of beos 5. misprinted, so the 2 discs it came with are mislabeled \o/

[23:02:26]

stuarta:

:(

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stuarta:

install it in a VM for fun :)

[23:02:40]

Dagmar:

Be was dumb.

[23:02:51]

Dagmar:

Not the OS, the group who made it.

[23:02:54]

stuarta:

so is getting up in the morning

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Dagmar:

Make a technologically superior product all you like.

[23:03:06]

directhex:

stuarta, doesn't work iirc. vms dislike RTOSes

[23:03:22]

directhex:

Dagmar, be inc were relying too much on apple buying them instead of next

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directhex:

and made foolish mistakes in the process

[23:03:29]

Dagmar:

Just don't expect it to "win" over an inferior product when it's *not* technological superiority that is the reason they're all running the competitor.

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stuarta:

ah yes, that would work like a chocolate teapot

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Dagmar:

That was their biggest fuck up

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iamlindoro:

Turns out you could make yourself a chocolate teapot with one of the default BeOS apps ;)

[23:04:33]

Dagmar:

People weren't running Windows because it was great. they were running Windows because that was all there was, all the apps only ran on windows, and all their idiot friends and suppliers ran windows.

[23:05:00]

directhex:

iamlindoro, glteapot!

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iamlindoro:

hehe, yep

[23:05:16]

Dagmar:

I mean, jesus christ, just the mere EXISTANCE of Trumpet Winsock should have been a big sign to some people

[23:05:18]

directhex:

iamlindoro, the scart thing is glteapot is a standard opengl instruction. that's how/why they made the app

[23:05:30]

Dagmar:

"So what if it lacks the functionality... We'll just kludge something into it."

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pyther:

Hi

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pyther:

How do I setup video sources? I don't want to pay for anything

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stuarta:

that depends where you are

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Dagmar:

pyther: Good thing you're not being charged to use MythTV then.

[23:06:30]

stuarta:

!trout pyther tight arse

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** MythLogBot slaps pyther with a tight arse trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[23:06:32]

directhex:

Dagmar, yeah, the tcp stack in beos wasn't exactly a work of art either...

[23:06:42]

directhex:

glutSolidTeapot();

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pyther:

Dagmar, then how do I configure video sources? It ask for a username and password?

[23:06:50]

Dagmar:

directhex: I will at least admit I was always glad to see those stacks fall right over

[23:06:59]

pyther:

And when I go to schedualedirect.org it wants you to pay for a membership :(

[23:07:00]

Dagmar:

Kept those noisy windows users in their place

[23:07:11]

iamlindoro:

pyther: yep, which you will be doing if you want listings in the USA

[23:07:13]

Dagmar:

pyther: Dude, you're hooking up at least $500 worth of hardware

[23:07:13]

stuarta:

pyther: it's cheap

[23:07:14]

jarle:

pyther: You have a tuner card in your box?

[23:07:21]

Dagmar:

Don't freaking try to tell us $20 is going to kill you.

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pyther:

jarle, yes

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pyther:

I just get over the air stuff

[23:07:52]

pyther:

do I still need this?

[23:07:56]

pyther:

and I don't have $20

[23:08:00]

pyther:

I have $0

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stuarta:

try over the air EIT data

[23:08:16]

stuarta:

it's probably complete crap

[23:08:17]

directhex:

you need a program guide

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pyther:

stuarta, I do I setup that up

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Dagmar:

OTA uses EIT?

[23:08:23]

Dagmar:

In the states?

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stuarta:

so feel free to fix it

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jarle:

pyther: what kind of tuner card have you got?

[23:08:35]

pyther:

I have an Kworld ATSC 115

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stuarta:

Dagmar: some places do

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Dagmar:

I've never seen it

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stuarta:

rare granted

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Digital ATSC does...

[23:09:15]

Dagmar:

ATSC channels should (hopefully) be sending out schedule data

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pyther:

do I can use a no grabber

[23:09:26]

pyther:

I didn't realize that

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stuarta:

it'll be pretty rubbish

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pyther:

I'm I idiot!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Only for a few hours or a day or so...

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stuarta:

compared to SD

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Dagmar:

pyther: Agreed.

[23:09:54]

** stuarta 2nds that **

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pyther:

Dagmar, well I think it kinda of stupid you can't use a mouse in mythtv-setup

[23:10:06]

iamlindoro:

Ask your parents for your allowance early

[23:10:11]

directhex:

pyther, no schedule data, no scheduling. no scheduling, no point

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stuarta:

pyther: well you try setting it up with a remote

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Dagmar:

pyther: YOu have a keyboard.

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directhex:

pyther, mythtv is an appliance, not a desktop app. mice are uncommon in living rooms

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stuarta:

unless you leave food lying around

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Dagmar:

This is *not* such a simple operation that pointing and grunting is going to be a reasonable method for managing it.

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pyther:

directhex, how do I use the remote, just plug the receiver into the adapter on the tv card?

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stuarta:

call that phase 20

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stuarta:

and stick to the basic stuff

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jarle:

pyther: just use your keyboard...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

use the arrow keys on your keyboard and the big key marked "Enter" and the little key marked "Esc"

[23:12:04]

iamlindoro:

And when you come back and ask about it we'll just tell you to read the freaking documentation anyway

[23:12:05]

Dagmar:

Pyther: Module "free_software" depends on "functional_literacy" module. http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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Dagmar:

Reading those should eliminate about 80–90% of the first-timer questions

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stuarta:

you mean RTFM?

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Tomas-:

Is that even possible?

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stuarta:

making ppl read docs

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stuarta:

no

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** stuarta doesn't read docs **

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Dagmar:

Well, the alternative is to sit in here and answer the same 25 questions over and over all day long

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jarle:

Dagmar: thats what bots are for...

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Dagmar:

jarle: I am not a fan of the idea of watching abot answer the same 25 questions over and over

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Dagmar:

...as well as telling each noob how to work the bot.

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Dagmar:

Bots themselves, I can make go just fine.

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stuarta:

i'm in favour of trouts and beatings

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stuarta:

with cluebats

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jarle:

stuarta: :)

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** Dagmar fans himself. **

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Tomas-:

I second that

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Dagmar:

whoo

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stuarta:

!trout self cluebat

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** MythLogBot slaps self with a cluebat trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Dagmar:

I wonder....

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** stuarta quacks **

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pyther:

Is there a very simple program that just allows me to watch tv

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jarle:

pyther: Kaffeine

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stuarta:

!myth

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Dagmar:

!trout theTROUTchannel embedded

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** MythLogBot slaps theTROUTchannel with a embedded trout on behalf of Dagmar... **

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stuarta:

ew

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Dagmar:

yay

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Dagmar:

I win. :)

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Dagmar:

I know my bot tech.

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Tomas-:

pyther: use whatever program that came with the tuner

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Dagmar:

pyther: TvTime is actually really nice

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Dagmar:

Like, I seriously recommend that one for "just" watching TV.

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** J-e-f-f-A|work wonders what "Live TV" is... ;-) **

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Dagmar:

That's the stuff with all the commercials in it

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stuarta:

not so live ;-)

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iamlindoro:

add liberal amounts of #ubuntu, stir, wait six months, then reattempt Myth install

[23:18:26]

** J-e-f-f-A|work and what commercials are... ;-) (beat me to it!) **

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pyther:

Dagmar, ok cool, thanks

[23:19:11]

Dagmar:

That's where the TV people tell you how much your life sucks because you're not out spending money right this instant

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Dagmar:

pyther: You'll like TVTime

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** stuarta ponders the eternal question of why shopping channels exist **

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pyther:

Dagmar, yeah, however it seems like nothing is coming in

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pyther:

I just have a vcr hooked up

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Dagmar:

stuarta: BEcause you can't tell that jewelry looks like shit on an SD image

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stuarta:

and i've nothing to do but sit in my council flat and use the council money to buy more shit to put in it

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Dagmar:

pyther: You're going to have to do *something* to tell it to show you the input method you're using

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

pyther: you won't get ATSC from a VCR... ATSC = Digital – your VCR is Analog – and probably outputting on channel 3 or 4 in the US.

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stuarta:

booze++

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pyther:

yeah, that is what I'm tyring to watch, channel 4

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pyther:

:P

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

pyther: If you just want to watch TV on your computer monitor, get a Video-to-VGA adapter for that... If you want HD, you'll have to hook an antenna directly up to your ATSC tuner in your computer. None of this going through the VCR... It won't pass the digitial signal.

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pyther:

yeah but should the tv card support analog and digital?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

pyther: (Well, it will pass the signal with the VCR *off*, but it's a waste.)

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sphery:

pyther: don't use no grabber if you're using EIT. There's a reason there's an "EIT only" option. Care to guess what it is?

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Dagmar:

pyther: Why you askin' us? You're the one that bought it

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pyther:

I'm using tvtime

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pyther:

I have an analog cable from the vcr to the tv tuner card

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pyther:

and I'm not getting anything

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Dagmar:

sphery: Duplicate and conflicting schedule data makes mythtv go berzerk? :)

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sphery:

:)

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Dagmar:

pyther: You actually have to do a little configuring, as well as tell TVTime some stuff about what you're trying to watch

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Dagmar:

If the card doesn't do NTSC, you're wasting your time

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pyther:

no it does ntsc

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Dagmar:

Then stick a coat hanger in the back of it or something and look for a "normal" NTSC channel

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Dagmar:

TVTime has docs. You should probably read them

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

pyther: And if you're not selecting 'Analog/NTSC" channel 4, then you won't see the output from your VCR either... ^^^ or turn your VCR off and do the same...

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sphery:

basically, "No grabber" says, "I don't want any listings. I'll watch my TV like a Neanderthal, thank you very much." "EIT only" says, "I'm too cheap to pay for good listings data, so I'll watch my TV like a medieval serf, thank you very much."

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sphery:

(Unless you're not in the US, where "EIT only" says, "I'm fortunate enough to have some pretty good EIT monkeys in my area.")

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stuarta:

sphery: oy! the EIT data here is quite good, thanks very much!

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stuarta:

trust me

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sphery:

stuarta qualifies under the addendum

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stuarta:

the monkeys here are crap

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pyther:

I wonder if this tv card is even working

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stuarta:

hence, my extensive work on UK fixups :)

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pyther:

as it doesn't seem to be finding anything with a regular over the air antenna

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: The EIT data in Boston for ATSC is decent...

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: How much data? More than a couple days?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Not as detailed as the data from schedulesdirect though... Well worh the $20. — Just a couple of days iirc... I don't use it, but it's better than nothing... ;-)

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sphery:

If only every station were as good as WGBH...

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sphery:

They CC most of my shows for me. :)

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stuarta:

the UK is quite privileged in having good EIT data

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** J-e-f-f-A|work has a standalone DVD/ATSC tuner that he hasn't used since the superbowl... he should plug it in again and see how far the listings data goes... **

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stuarta:

that's always a good comparison

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

My old Dish PVR had 9 days of listings... Better than the ones that only had two days or even a few hours...

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Here in central FL, we have nothing for EIT. Even the time codes sent by the stations tend to be off by tens of minutes (and my stupid HDTV sets the clock based on the currently-viewed stream's time code :).

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sphery:

Glad I have a Myth box to make up for the features missing from the HDTV that cost >> 4x as much as my Myth box...

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Tomas-:

damn

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Wow... at my previous company, they interfaced with NASDAQ, and the clocks had to be within 3 seconds or there were severe penalties to pay... Our systems were within 1/10th of a second...

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Tomas-:

in 2.6.25 i got the sound working... but myth wouldn't start... in 2.6.24 myth works but the sound module doesn't

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sphery:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the engineers working for my local stations go home and watch CNN/MS NBC/Discovery/History/Sci Fi/anything but the channel broadcast by their equipment, so they don't know how bad it is.

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sphery:

Tomas-: at least the closed captions (audio described streams) work in Myth :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Gee, I hope Myth doesn't pass the time code through to the TV if you record a program with it, then play it back on the TV... Your tv time would be all screwed up! ;-)

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Tomas-:

sphery: :p

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Dagmar:

Okay, we'll "walk through" the problem and you'll see what I"m talking about

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Actually, i guess that would be impossible unless you were using HDMI and myth just piped the 'raw' digital signal to it... ;-)

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: since Myth is just outputting VGA, the TV's time isn't getting set. It probably thinks it's 2006 right now (I unplug the TV when I'm traveling, so it keeps resetting)

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sphery:

yea

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