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Tuesday, June 24th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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squidly:

I'm using mythtv 0.21 on a gentoo system, and I cant make a vcd any more, does anyone know if that option has been removed?

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RungeKutta:

If I have a bunch of video files (not recorded in myth) such as .avi's and VIDEO_TS. If I assign a category to each of them, is there a way to have it list all videos in that category.

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RungeKutta:

So say if I assign a bunch of videos as "scifi", can I have Myth just display all videos that are under that?

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iamlindoro:

yes, MythVideo has that functionality

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iamlindoro:

Import all the videos, set the categories, then enter the Gallery, press M for Menu, select "filter view", and change Genre to whatever you want to view.

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RungeKutta:

oh ok cool

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RungeKutta:

Next question, does Myth support playlists for non-recorded video?

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

Although you can set the "next video to play" on each video

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RungeKutta:

Are you aware of any plugin or future feature that will add that?

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RungeKutta:

yea

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RungeKutta:

that works for some things, but not all

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RungeKutta:

thanks though

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: do you sit down and read every single manual you get your hands on?

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iamlindoro:

Is that a trick question?

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dustybin:

no!

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iamlindoro:

Then no. But I *do* refer to them in times of trouble. Curious as to why you ask.

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dustybin:

maybe my knowledge would improve if i read a bit more

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atrus:

every 30 seconds or so my audio skips (under live tv or pre-recorded), with the messages "NVP: prebuffering pause" and "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" popping up in the mythfronted log. any suggestions as to where i could start looking for a culprit?

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iamlindoro:

atrus: Try the "aggressive audio buffering" setting (or whatever it's called these days

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iamlindoro:

Should be in Utilities/Setup->Setup->General, page two or three

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atrus:

on the backend or the front end?

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jerky_2:

atrus, are you using XvMC for HDTV?

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atrus:

jerky_2: i don't have any hdtv involved. how would i tell if i'm using xvmc?

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iamlindoro:

atrus: Frontend. And if you were using xmvc, you would probably know as it's a pain in the ass the use

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jerky_2:

then don't worry about it, AFAIK XvMC is only for HDTV playback. the aggressive audio buffering option is in the frontend's options (not mythtv-setup)

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iamlindoro:

XvMC is for all playback, not just HD

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iamlindoro:

er at least, usable for all playback

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jerky_2:

amen. i have been using it for 2 years :)

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iamlindoro:

notwithstanding it being a piece of shit :)

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atrus:

hmm. i do seem to recall xvmc being used somewhere, but i can't recall why or where.

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jerky_2:

if you're not displaying HDTV then turn it off, your machine can probably keep up with just the CPU decoding

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atrus:

jerky_2: why would it get turned on/off?

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jerky_2:

on the frontend you have a few options for how you'd like to decode video streams and it's one of those options, just make sure you're not using it, you probably aren't.

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jerky_2:

give aggressive sound buffering a shot, and maybe try switching between ALSA/OSS and see if that helps, i think there is a howto on that in the wiki somewhere

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atrus:

er, sorry, where would it get turned on/off?

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iamlindoro:

in playback profiles

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, page three

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iamlindoro:

edit each profile and make sure XvMC isn't used

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iamlindoro:

if you have a decent graphics card with decent drivers, use Xv instead

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iamlindoro:

which myth calls "xv-blit"

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atrus:

ahh

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jerky_2:

so i'm running mythbuntu 8.04 / myth 0.21, and i've noticed about every 30 minutes my system slows down a ton and mysqld and mythbackend are using 80–100% CPU combined. anyone have ideas as to what that might be and how to stop it, or adjust the priorities so that i don't notice it's running? realtime priority threads for mythfrontend seem to hang my machine.

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jerky_2:

i haven't noticed this nearly as much since the latest kernel update, but i still have periodic spikes of about 2–5 seconds of stuttery playback about every 30 minutes. it used to be really bad, like 1 minute or more of stuttering, now it seems a lot more abbreviated

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GreyFoxx:

check your backend logs

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GreyFoxx:

and next timeit hajppens see if you see it doinga upnprebuild

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iamlindoro:

jerky_2: Is it every 30 *on* the 30 minute mark? ie 9:00, 9:30, etc.?

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iamlindoro:

and if so, do you have a listings source?

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jerky_2:

for a while it was on :20 and :50, but it seems to be shifting back to :15 and :45

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iamlindoro:

hmm, so much for that idea then

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jerky_2:

hm. I do see things like this near the :15 and :45 minute mark: UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan starting, then "Done. Found x objects"

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GreyFoxx:

how many objectsw does it list

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jerky_2:

yeah, and those are consistent with the times i observe frontend stutter. it searches 4 dirs and finds 502, 193, 0, and 37 objects

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jerky_2:

those are also networked fileshares, so they could be a little slow when indexing.

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GreyFoxx:

mine are nfs mounts, takes 4 seconds to scan 3700 objects

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jerky_2:

hrm. you know what, i used to have a share in here with about 50,000 objects

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jerky_2:

and i got rid of it recently. that is probably it!

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GreyFoxx:

probably :)

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jerky_2:

heh. i'll try putting it back in and see if it screws things up

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jerky_2:

is there any way to adjust the frequency of that? i would really rather it just check once every 24 hours at like 4 AM or something. it's not like i'm getting new video media files every 30 minutes

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atrus:

turned on aggressive audio buffering, and i'm definitely still getting significant audo skipping

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GreyFoxx:

jerk: It

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GreyFoxx:

s configurable in trunk

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GreyFoxx:

but I don't think I backported it to -fixes

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GreyFoxx:

as technically its a new feature and not a bug fix

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jerky_2:

hm, interesting. is there a wiki or some page explaining how to switch to getting trunk updates?

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GreyFoxx:

jerk: Nope, just svn.mythtv.org

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GreyFoxx:

use snv to check out the source and compile

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GreyFoxx:

no idea if anyone packages it up or anything

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iamlindoro:

I *think* mythbuntu has stopped their weekly trunk builds for the time being

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iamlindoro:

There is a page on their site for how to set up the repos for the weekly builds, but I don't think they're being pushed out just now

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jerky_2:

hm. there was actually just some mythbuntu update about 5 days ago where all the myth* apps were on there, they have been getting them out about every 2 weeks or so according to my memory. it's nice to have a well supported distro but it might be nicer to go up to SVN :)

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iamlindoro:

jerky_2: Is there something in particular about trunk that you need? If not I would caution against it

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iamlindoro:

They *are* pushing out regular -fixes updates

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jerky_2:

yeah, i guess i'm just feeling adventurous :) I will probably regret it later. I should really just leave my "production" box alone and mess with it on my workstation

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone around?

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ShiftyPowers:

by chance?

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jerky_2:

ah, i found a mythbackend log from 7 days ago before i unmounted that one directory. 32912 objects in it :) and the timestamps between when it started scanning and finished scanning are 58 seconds apart. :)

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jerky_2:

another weird problem i've encountered – when i'm selecting a recording to watch, if i press enter to select it, all is well. but if i press the right arrow, which pops up a menu of 7 options, then i press right arrow again on "play", the playback is all stuttery. i'm using XvMC and watching an HDTV feed.

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jerky_2:

is it possible that selecting a recording in these two different ways is somehow doing something different? calling a different area of code?

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HaraDragon:

hey all

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HaraDragon:

ok... let me just say... I'm doing w/ ati on my mythbuntu install

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HaraDragon:

I am fuming because I can't seem to get my underscan issue fixed

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HaraDragon:

that being said, I'm going back to windows MCE for a few days.

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HaraDragon:

Now that has been said, I need to buy an nVidia card for my mythbuntu system. (shudders... never though I'd buy nVidia again)

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HaraDragon:

can anyone suggest a cheap/er card to use?

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CyD__:

HaraDragon: gf7100 is cheap

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HaraDragon:

I don't do TV through Myth, so that's not a consideration... Just dvd's and movies I've ripped

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CyD__:

depends on how cheap you want/performance

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jerky_2:

i got a fanless mx4200 for like $30 a while back. it supports XvMC and seems solid

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HaraDragon:

found an 8600gt for 44 bucks (after mail-in rebate)

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CyD__:

8600gt is $70ish now

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CyD__:

yea that's cheap and good performance

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CyD__:

steal of a deal

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HaraDragon:

new egg has it cheap

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HaraDragon:

20.00 mail in rebate

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HaraDragon:

what about this one:

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HaraDragon:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814186036

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jerky_2:

well if all you want is DVD and movie playback, you don't need anything fancy that's good with games

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CyD__:

so.. when i go to 'watch tv' it goes to a black screen for a sec then pops back out. everything seems configured right, although I haven't populated and listings data. is that gonna be a problem?

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CyD__:

populated any*

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jerky_2:

that shouldn't be a problem. it sounds like what happened to me when i didn't have a TV card configured correctly. have you got all that stuff set up in mythtv-setup?

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CyD__:

yea, have a pvr150 that configured fine

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CyD__:

i'll go double check that a bit thanks

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CyD__:

i even did a channel scan and got channels 2 and 3 from a vcr that's hooked up

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HaraDragon:

looks like I'm buying this card:

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HaraDragon:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500001

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HaraDragon:

I hope mythtv likes it

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jerky_2:

sounds pretty solid for all around performance (games), you could probably get something a bit cheaper if you wanted to though. so what's the deal with your underscan issue?

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HaraDragon:

well... the mesa drivers work fine, but video skips (obviously)

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HaraDragon:

when I load the flgrx drivers... everything works fine, but I get about 5–10% underscan

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HaraDragon:

I can't seem to figure out how to fix it

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CyD__:

no overscan option in ati control panel?

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HaraDragon:

whenever I've tried loading the drivers from the ati site, the sys displays a black screen when trying to start X

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HaraDragon:

no... that's the weird thing. ATI has no function in the linux drivers to adjust for over/underscan

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CyD__:

HaraDragon: i had great experience with thew newest drivers from ati site on kubuntu

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CyD__:

it was amazing compared to previous attemps

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CyD__:

attempts. that was over a month ago

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HaraDragon:

CyD__: they don't work for me

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CyD__:

HaraDragon: :(

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CyD__:

same distro?

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HaraDragon:

well... at least not on mythbuntu

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CyD__:

gotcha

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HaraDragon:

I guess I could download Kubuntu then load mythtv afterwards

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HaraDragon:

do you have any issues w/ over/underscan?

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CyD__:

HaraDragon: unfortnately i'm more of a nvidia user, just testing ati from time to time :(

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CyD__:

can't say about under/overscan

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HaraDragon:

I'm an ATI user... but this issue is pissing me off

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HaraDragon:

also... I get 1900x1050 resolution...

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HaraDragon:

I would imagine that, if I could get 1920x1080 in xorg.conf, then everything would be golden

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HaraDragon:

however, every time I add it and reboot, it disappears

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CyD__:

sounds like a nice tv, you go dvi-hdmi or similar?

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HaraDragon:

yes

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HaraDragon:

I'm running a Sharp Aquos 42"

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CyD__:

might be wrong but overscan might only be on svideo?

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CyD__:

resolution might be your culprit

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CyD__:

don't quote me

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HaraDragon:

normally a card will underscan, then you can adjust to fit the tv... but it doesn't seem to work for me

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HaraDragon:

I think it is... but I can't seem to fix it

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doje:

any firewire STB users in the room?

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iamlindoro:

doje: many

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jerky_2:

HaraDragon, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log , see waht it says about trying to get your 1920x1080 resolution. Xorg doesn't like my 852x480 native res plasma, which used to work on fedora core 6 with an older version of Xorg and older version of nvidia drivers. beats me why

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CyD__:

ahh, ok. jerky_2 thanks for the help, it was group write permissions on record dir :D

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HaraDragon:

jerky_2: I've already starting putting windows MCE on it

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HaraDragon:

don't worry... it's a temp thing until my new vid card gets here

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HaraDragon:

I really wish HDMI sound was working

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doje:

is there a recommened distro? I'm using Knoppmyth right now and it's working ok. In I never got openSUSE 10.3 to work reliably

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HaraDragon:

I don't have an optical cable long enough to reach where my HT receiver will be. :-(

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iamlindoro:

doje: There is no recommended distro for myth, let alone for firewire

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jerky_2:

CyD__, ahh that would do it :) make sure you don't fill up your hard drive... i had that happen and linux absolutely freaks out when that happens.

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jerky_2:

HaraDragon: i'm not worried – i don't think anybody here really cares what you are running :) but i'm sure we would be more than happy to help you with myth-related issues

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doje:

one problem I seem to have is that schedulesdirect automatically adds new channels which are often 5c encrypted on 1394. tuning those channels kills mythbackend and usually requires a reboot.

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iamlindoro:

doje: add --remove-new-channels to your mythfilldatabase arguments

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iamlindoro:

then newly-added channels will not be added into the DB

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doje:

iamlindoro: ok.

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doje:

iamlindoro: thanks

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doje:

is crashing due to 5c typical ?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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doje:

dang

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HaraDragon:

jerky_2: windows MCE makes my skin crawl

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HaraDragon:

I get tired of all the activation crap, and the ugly as hell interface

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HaraDragon:

plus... all the crap I'm "supposed" to buy to make it wokr.

[03:16:37]

HaraDragon:

blah

[03:16:39]

iamlindoro:

doje: But it'll only happen on LiveTV. on recordings it would just leave a 0 byte file

[03:17:02]

iamlindoro:

as long as you change to a non-5C channel before you go into liveTV next, you won't have a crash

[03:17:28]

jerky_2:

i hear ya. blah to windows MCE :) keep working at your myth issues and you'll be happier, no?

[03:17:50]

doje:

iamlindoro: interesting. I've noticed also that 0 byte files cause the frontend to become very sluggish

[03:18:03]

HaraDragon:

yeah... but I'm irritated w/ it right now

[03:18:11]

iamlindoro:

doje: sounds unrelated to me, an empty recording should have no bearing on frontend behavior

[03:18:12]

HaraDragon:

it's not myth's fault... it's ati crap drivers

[03:18:19]

iamlindoro:

unless you can be more specific about what you mean

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jerky_2:

ah, that's too bad... not much you can do about that except take your dollars to a vendor that offers more serious linux support. i like nvidia :)

[03:21:56]

doje:

iamlindoro: often when a channel is selected (live) it will give a msg about no signal. then a black screen. backing out and going to recorded programs shows the file there. just trying to delete it, there's a long pause after pressing buttons (10 seconds or more)

[03:22:22]

HaraDragon:

the ati drivers are improving... but they are still crap... which is why I'm breaking down and buying an nvidia card

[03:22:24]

HaraDragon:

*sigh*

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iamlindoro:

doje: well, if it's just momentary it's no big deal, then, probably just the backend trying to figure out what to do with the zero-length file

[03:26:27]

iamlindoro:

I mostly just deal with the occasional 5C file in Mythweb... luckily most of my channels record fine and only the occasional individual program is 5C

[03:26:42]

doje:

iamlindoro: I figured. are you using firewire at all in your setup? if so, what distro do you use?

[03:26:58]

iamlindoro:

I use firewire in both Debian and Ubuntu

[03:27:07]

iamlindoro:

although the distro will have no bearing on the behavior, really

[03:27:55]

doje:

well, different distros might have different firewire settings in the kernel would they not?

[03:28:06]

iamlindoro:

nope

[03:28:15]

iamlindoro:

all you're doing is dumping the outp[ut of the raw1394 driver

[03:28:34]

iamlindoro:

you won't get any more successful recordings on fedora than you will on ubuntu, or vice versa

[03:29:12]

iamlindoro:

The blame for your failed recordings falls squarely on your cable provider

[03:29:19]

doje:

LOL

[03:29:34]

doje:

how do you mean?

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iamlindoro:

meaning they're the ones setting the copy-none 5C flag, so they're the reason you get 0 byte files

[03:30:06]

iamlindoro:

If it was all set to copy-free, you could recording anything and everything

[03:30:12]

iamlindoro:

er record

[03:30:50]

doje:

I have that problem intermittently on copy-free channels

[03:31:03]

iamlindoro:

Yes, because *channels* aren't 5C, individual programs are

[03:31:45]

doje:

really ? you think they're randomly turning it on all the channels ?

[03:32:01]

iamlindoro:

yes, really, and what rhyme or reason they use is beyond all of us

[03:32:08]

HaraDragon:

out of curiousity, have any of you run mythtv on windows xp?

[03:32:36]

iamlindoro:

HaraDragon: various channel members have, and unless your a masochist, it's inadvisable right now

[03:32:38]

doje:

iamlindoro: I think that's obvious. they want us to just use their dvr

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HaraDragon:

iamlindoro: I'm only that way w/ my linux and bsd boxes...

[03:33:03]

HaraDragon:

but... at least that way, I learn somethin

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doje:

iamlindoro: that's why it's such a kick in the butt that the 5c crashes the whole thing

[03:33:23]

iamlindoro:

HaraDragon: you can pretty much expect half-implemented functionality and random crashing on Windows

[03:33:37]

iamlindoro:

doje: you could do like us old Myth hands and never watch LiveTV :)

[03:33:46]

iamlindoro:

can't remember the last time I did

[03:33:50]

HaraDragon:

oh... screw that

[03:33:53]

HaraDragon:

I'll skip it

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HaraDragon:

lol

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jerky_2:

what's live TV? :)

[03:34:00]

iamlindoro:

exactly

[03:34:36]

jerky_2:

is that the one where you understand what's going on when your friends are talking about a commercial they've seen a million times?

[03:34:37]

ShiftyPowers:

guys, when i go to mythweb it shows that i have 3 encoders 1–3

[03:34:45]

ShiftyPowers:

but in reality i only have 2 capture cards

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iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: Is one of them a digital tuner?

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ShiftyPowers:

encoder 2 doesn't go anywhere as far as i can tell

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ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, yep, one is a HD-5500 and the other is a kworld atsc 110

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iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: Then that's normal behavior

[03:35:11]

ShiftyPowers:

oh, ok

[03:35:14]

ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, thanks

[03:35:22]

iamlindoro:

default number of encoders for each digital tuner is 2, for multirec

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ShiftyPowers:

multirec?

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iamlindoro:

yep, the ability to record multiple programs on a single tuner provided they are on the same multiplex

[03:36:55]

iamlindoro:

before you ask about all that... google ;)

[03:37:07]

ShiftyPowers:

no no, i knew about that

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ShiftyPowers:

i'll find out more about it

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doje:

iamlindoro: yeah. my myth setup has been in limbo since switching to 1394. I remember having it working well enough that I never watched live =P

[03:38:08]

iamlindoro:

doje: I am lucky and can more or less record all my channels, with only the occasional surprise. If 5C is that bad where you're at, then you will probably want to look into the Hauppauge HD-PVR when the myth support matures

[03:39:17]

doje:

iamlindoro: do you mind if i ask who you provider is and what market?

[03:39:31]

iamlindoro:

comcast, San Francisco Bay Area

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doje:

iamlindoro: I'm in LA, TWC. I get locals and 1/2 HBO and 1/2 SHO

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iamlindoro:

doje: That's more or less par for the course for most people-- although most people don't get those premiums via firewire

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doje:

iamlindoro: the whole digital tier is 5c

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iamlindoro:

for most people it's all 5C besides locals

[03:41:16]

doje:

iamlindoro: yeah, I think HBO and SHO might be a "glitch" waiting to be "fixed"

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iamlindoro:

yep

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daryll:

hi, need help on how to disable mythtv writing to harddisk.

[03:42:57]

iamlindoro:

daryll: you don't

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doje:

iamlindoro: I actually called HBO after TWC told me to. HBO stated that all channels are copy once (5c on) and because I could record some channels and not others, it was a problem with the cable provider

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iamlindoro:

daryll: I presume you mean liveTV being recorded, in which case, it will always record

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iamlindoro:

daryll: LiveTV will autoexpire/delete though

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daryll:

writing to my harddisk will wear it out i guess

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iamlindoro:

daryll: Your system will be out of date and some other harware will fail loooooong before you wear out your hard drive w/ liveTV

[03:44:35]

daryll:

it is ok during recording, but even not recording, it also produce output.

[03:44:35]

doje:

iamlindoro: she also told me "copy once" means you can record "John Adams" once on your DVR – and never again

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daryll:

yeah i hope

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iamlindoro:

daryll: Myth will record LiveTV, and your recordings, that is all. It is not recording 24/7 unless *you* leave in on LivETV

[03:46:23]

daryll:

i am planning to watch tv for 3 – 4 hours, maybe it will stress my laptop

[03:46:36]

iamlindoro:

daryll: No. It will not. Where are you getting this stuff?

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Hilikus:

hey guys, since i upgraded to ubuntu 8.03 and mythtv 0.21 i've been having a problem when i'm watching live tv and go to see the guide. the remote control/keyboard dont respond but the little square with the image plays fine and the sound plays fine, the controls just freeze for some time (like 20 secs or so) and then all the actions i did get executed at once

[03:47:14]

daryll:

i can hear the harddisk noise.. but that was during recording,

[03:47:19]

Hilikus:

has this been heard of?

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iamlindoro:

daryll: So what? Hard disks make noise when they're in use

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Egghead2:

problem playing music from mythweb when i password secure it, plays mp3s fine without password, any ideas on what to try?

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iamlindoro:

daryll: You will *not* stress your harddrive in the slightest with liveTV of *any* duration

[03:48:07]

daryll:

yeah, but it is really noticeable.. kind of worried about disk failure.

[03:48:15]

daryll:

hope so

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iamlindoro:

daryll: If you have a faulty disk, you have a faulty disk, but that has nothing to do with Myth

[03:49:03]

iamlindoro:

You could watch live TV 24/7 with a functional drive and probably *never* wear out the drive before it was time to upgrade the machine or you get tired of Myth

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HaraDragon:

why would anyone get tired of myth?

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daryll:

yup, that's also possible

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jroysdon:

uhm, wearing out hdds is not hard

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jroysdon:

I've replaced drives for others who have had failed drives

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Egghead2:

and a tivo drive lasts about 2 to 3 years b4 it wears right out

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clever:

the hdd in my windows system went tits up

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daryll:

anyway, I got the source code and is taking a look at it.. a quick hack like disabling fwrite().. hope can make it

[03:51:29]

clever:

just because i added a ram chip

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Egghead2:

lol

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jerky_2:

night, everyone. thanks for the help with the mythbackend CPU spiking.

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clever:

i add the ram and it refuses to boot

[03:52:12]

clever:

i remove the ram and it runs oddly slow and then stops booting all together

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clever:

and the drive is damn hot

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clever:

now it only functions when cool

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clever:

2 hours of use and it 'overheats'

[03:52:50]

clever:

then it just starts to spew io errors

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daryll:

hehe, hope it does not explode

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clever:

it still has about 60gig of data on it:p

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HaraDragon:

I'm thinking I should buy a 16gig solid state drive for my mythtv setup

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Egghead2:

clever, id back it up b4 u loose it

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clever:

Egghead2: ive tried

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clever:

the backup crashes 15% in because it overheats:P

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Egghead2:

sounds like its heading toward the light

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Egghead2:

lmao

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clever:

most of my frontends dont even need the local drive

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clever:

they are all using nfsroot off the master

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Egghead2:

starp a fan on it

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clever:

something i heard from some1 else

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clever:

usb enclosure in the fridge!

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Egghead2:

lol

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Egghead2:

there ya go, mother of invention!

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clever:

try and overheat now will you!

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Egghead2:

neweggs got .75 TB drives for 100 beans

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clever:

ive got bearly 500gig total between all my bigest drives

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clever:

that 1 drive could nfsroot every system i have and store copys of every existing driv

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clever:

e

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HaraDragon:

are there any plugins for myth to do dvd up-scaling?

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cesman:

HaraDragon: none I'm aware of

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cesman:

HaraDragon: as you can configure MythTV to use what you want for DVD playback you may want to investigate xine, mplayer or vlc

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HaraDragon:

hrm... ok

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HaraDragon:

I'll do some digging

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atrus:

weird. whenever mythtv audio skips, the video plays in slow motion for a few moments afteward

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Hilikus:

hey guys, since i upgraded to ubuntu 8.03 and mythtv 0.21 i've been having a problem when i'm watching live tv and go to see the guide. the remote control/keyboard dont respond but the little square with the image plays fine and the sound plays fine, the controls just freeze for some time (like 20 secs or so) and then all the actions i did get executed at once

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Hilikus:

any idea how to fix it?

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cesman:

deja vu

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cesman:

Hilikus: perhaps checking your logs for errors when this occurs?

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Hilikus:

what logs?

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Hilikus:

myth logs?

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Hilikus:

or system logs

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cesman:

start w/ MythTV's logs

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daryll:

mythtv -v all

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cesman:

assuming the Ubuntu packages (I assume that is how you installed) configures MythTV to log, simply check /var/log/mythtv

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cesman:

should be a backend and frontend log

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Hilikus:

there is a log for the backend, i dont see one for the frontend though

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cesman:

well, you have have it create a log or you can run it in an xterm and scroll back

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cesman:

mythfrontend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

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Hilikus:

mmm good idea, ill try that

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cesman:

you'll want to exit MythTV when the error occurs

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cesman:

or <alt><tab>

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bobgill:

how can I "export" a recording to a .avi file, like a smaller video file (ie., 350mb torrented tv eps)?? Say for example an episode of the Simpsons.

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cesman:

bobgill: create a user job and have that job executed against the recording in question

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cesman:

bobgill: I'd advise you search the wiki or the mailing list archive for scripts and how-tos

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luke1265:

only for information the pvr 350 works on linux...i get it working on mythbuntu and it works great...less than 5% CPU (PIII) usage while watching live tv

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luke1265:

this information is for those who thougt and told me the pvr won't work on linux...so those people are WRONG!!!

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Anduin:

luke1265: Those people were probably trying to say that for nearly everyone it isn't worth the effort, works for only limited uses, and doesn't get much love in turns of actual code.

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luke1265:

it doesn't matter now anymore but i get wondering why they get pissed while asking to times

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luke1265:

i think is is not what a channel should be and also beginners should get help

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luke1265:

but not such way they did

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Anduin:

They should, but most of us that owned 350s moved on, or use them only in a test box, and not to do output. Better default advice is to give up on the 350, though last time I tried it did work.

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luke1265:

so i can't understand why they told me again and again that it won't work on linux

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luke1265:

not only myth ... no whole linux

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luke1265:

and if you are beginner you can't believe that it will only work on windows

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luke1265:

but i just told above...it doesn't matter any more

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luke1265:

i get it working and that's it

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luke1265:

hand...bye

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clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 297M 2008-06–16 23:52 1051_20080613095800.nuv

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clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 2.7G 2008-06–24 03:54 1051_20080613095800.nuv.tmp

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clever:

uhhhh, i think mythtranscode went nuts again

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clever:

242% complete acording to the html status!!!

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clever:

2008-06–24 03:56:28.061 Fast-Forwarding from 0 to 3133

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Ace2016_:

great, i'm running out of hard disk space already

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directhex:

MOAR GIGS

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Ace2016_:

i know :(

[08:22:22]

directhex:

MOAR!

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directhex:

because MOAR.

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Ace2016_:

How do i setup recording with the record button, say press it to start recording, press again to stop?

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Anduin:

r will start

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Ace2016_:

Does mythtv record everything i watch to the hard disk?

[09:25:19]

Ace2016_:

i mean i see auto-expire holding vast amounts of stuff, seems everything i've watched is in there

[09:25:22]

Ace2016_:

how do i view those?

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directhex:

Ace2016_, press "m" and change your filter to include livetv recordings

[09:26:06]

directhex:

and yes, all "live"! content in myth is recorded. it's how things like pause/reqind work

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Ace2016_:

oh so that explains where my disk space has gone

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Agrajag-:

Ace2016_: you can tell myth how much disk space it can use (or rather, how much space to leave free). it will then use that much and autoexpire stuff as it needs to. once you have it setup, you needn't worry about disk space

[09:29:54]

Ace2016_:

it can use every bit as long as it tells me how much my permenant collection of stuff that does not auto expire is taking up

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justinh:

permanent? hahahaha

[09:30:37]

justinh:

I laugh in the face of file hoarders

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Ace2016_:

;(

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sid3windr:

:(

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justinh:

awww bless

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Ace2016_:

:P

[09:40:58]

justinh:

hmmm. didn't know that. iPoos can record stereo line signals as wavs. nift!

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justinh:

John Leslie arrested after rape claim. AGAIN

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justinh:

facking elle. arrested over something that happened 15 years ago. even if it's true it'd never stick, shirley

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directhex:

few tears

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directhex:

famous name

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directhex:

job jobbed!

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Ace2016_:

help, its not letting me watch TV, i'm transcoding a recording and now its not letting me watch tv

[10:19:21]

justinh:

watching daytime tv is bad for you. mythtv knows this :)

[10:19:54]

Ace2016_:

No i want to test the recorder

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sid3windr:

=)

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justinh:

I suppose the logs don't shed any light on the subject :-\

[10:20:29]

Ace2016_:

i want to start watching a tv program from the start, then press record and see if it records the whole thing or just onwards from the point at which i pressed record

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justinh:

it'll keep the whole show

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justinh:

it'll keep the whole show, but only if you have EPG data for that channel

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Ace2016_:

without epg data, most of the time its unknown

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Ace2016_:

wait a sec

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Ace2016_:

with DVB-T does it have listings for all channels?

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

well, almost all. no data for the interactive channels

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Ace2016_:

its not like satellite, where i have 3 channels which are on the same frequency?

[10:22:39]

Ace2016_:

i don't use interactive channels

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directhex:

no, it's like dvb-t, where you have 6–10 per frequency

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Ace2016_:

argh when is the postman getting here

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directhex:

is that a problem?

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Ace2016_:

yes my heatsink and psu, the heatsink is broken and i'm undervolting the cpu and lowering the clock frequency and hoping the case fan keeps it cool

[10:24:09]

Ace2016_:

the heatsink's fan is broken*

[10:24:28]

Ace2016_:

it seems to be working well for the moment

[10:24:58]

Ace2016_:

now why won't this thing let me watch tv and transcode?

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justinh:

so. I suppose the logfiles don't give any hints as to why live tv isn't working?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[10:25:20]

Ace2016_:

which log file?

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justinh:

which logfile. FFS.

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justinh:

THINK

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justinh:

which part of mythtv does all the recording & stuff?

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Ace2016_:

you're the one who said to look at the log file

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sid3windr:

EFF EFF ESS

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Ace2016_:

sid3windr: define those

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sid3windr:

which?

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Ace2016_:

yea the backend does

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Ace2016_:

sid3windr: the EDD ...

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Ace2016_:

EFF...

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sid3windr:

it was just ffs spelt out ;)

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Ace2016_:

oh

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Ace2016_:

sweet, i had to increase the maximum jobs to 4

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justinh:

hints : /var/log/mythtv/.....

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Ace2016_:

oh /var/log/mythtv was a folder

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justinh:

dum dum dum.. another one makes the list ...

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Ace2016_:

well that was a revelation, my desktop was so quiet i left it on all night, and i only noticed when i closed the window

[10:33:15]

Ace2016_:

that heatsink should have been in the media centre but it didn't fit :(

[10:36:50]

Ace2016_:

Anyone notice any changes in ebay's search, its harder to use now

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sid3windr:

harder to use?

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sid3windr:

like, you type in what you need and press enter? ;)

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Ace2016_:

but then i like to refine, and the refining part is harder

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Ace2016_:

i've had some amazing bargains by searching for stuff in the wrong place

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justinh:

like type stuff in, and it miraculously no longer reads your mind & figures out what you REALLY meant?

[10:38:44]

justinh:

ebay isn't the bargain place it used to be

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Ace2016_:

no it doesn't have the searchbar to search in a specific section

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justinh:

full of idiots

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Ace2016_:

true on both counts

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Ace2016_:

i like idiots who don't know the value of things

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justinh:

idiots with a capital 'grocer's apostrophe'

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directhex:

grocer's apostropes' rule.

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Ace2016_:

...?

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justinh:

using apostrophe's on any word's which have the letter 's' at the end of them. it's alway's annoying, I find

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justinh:

no longer the reserve of plural's (sic)

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justinh:

grinds my gears almost as much as incorrect use of your/you're

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directhex:

you're problem's seem pretty petty

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justinh:

death is too good for those people

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justinh:

start at the very beginning, directhex ;)

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sid3windr:

does grocer's apostrophe include its/it's ?

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sid3windr:

or is that a different pet peeve ;)

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justinh:

includes

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sid3windr:

include's !

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justinh:

oh yeah.. and then theirs there

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justinh:

there/they're/their – all completely interchangeable now apparently

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directhex:

their there justinh, were all your friend's here

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sid3windr:

=)

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justinh:

c***s

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sid3windr:

s/were/where !

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sid3windr:

:p

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directhex:

i get weirded out by for'ners using "borrow" as the active verb

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justinh:

is it becuzz I is FICK, innit

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directhex:

as in "can you borrow me ten quid" insead of "can you lend me"

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justinh:

directhex: comes from them watching too much Eastenders ;)

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justinh:

or maybe they learnt to speak English with those Dick Van Dyke audiobooks :P

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directhex:

mary poppin's?

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justinh:

yep

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directhex:

now they're was a classic movie

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Ace2016_:

i haven't heard anyone say "can you borrow me ..." in eastenders, ever

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justinh:

nor have I, but then I don't watch it :)

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directhex:

you watch eastender's?

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directhex:

what kind of sick freak's would spent they're time watching eastender's?

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Ace2016_:

no my mum watches eastenders every saturday or sunday, so i usually watched it while i ate, back then i couldn't take my food to my room

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justinh:

we have a rule at home. no soaps at food time :D

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justinh:

watch family guy etc instead :)

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Ace2016_:

yea well its just saturday, if i'm not out its not really that much of a bother to watch eastenders

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justinh:

though then, the table usually ends up needing a wipe down

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Ace2016_:

what time do you guys eat? family guy is on at 10/11pm

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

*record* *everything* !

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Ace2016_:

yes well i've only just built my system

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black_Nightmare_:

jjust curious about this but could you stream non-mythtv pc movies to a mythtv player pc? (if that made sense anyhow)

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GreyFoxx:

black: Sure just mounjt the other machine as a file share

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GreyFoxx:

and play them via mythvideo

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justinh:

make sure the mount point puts the videos at the same path on all frontends though

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm ok thanks

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black_Nightmare_:

will have to check if I can figure getting that working on the firewire link

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black_Nightmare_:

I'm only asking anyhow but any of you ever used or heard of anyone using ip-over-firewire for multimedia uses?

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justinh:

wheee satnav for truly sad fucks: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/23/knight_rider_satnav/

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black_Nightmare_:

hm I sometimes wonder whats with freenode always having weird connection-keeping issues on about any servers :/

[11:03:42]

black_Nightmare_:

hope my ip question got through

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justinh:

I used to work with somebody who did IP over firewire as their degree project, allegedly before anybody else – dunno what real uses it had though

[11:05:19]

Ace2016_:

justinh: does that come with the red light strip installed on the front of the car?

[11:06:47]

justinh:

no, but the kind of wanker who'll fall into buying it probably has one already

[11:06:48]

black_Nightmare_:

justinh heh ok

[11:07:05]

justinh:

and under-car lighting :)

[11:07:47]

black_Nightmare_:

me well I use it somewhat frequent .. got to love an easy way to share files and using external peripherals from just one type of controller (card-wise I mean anyhow) at highspeed & low overhead

[11:08:02]

black_Nightmare_:

never ever tried streaming or so with it yet tho

[11:08:18]

directhex:

justinh, firewire networking is part of the spec. check ifconfig on a firewire machine

[11:09:20]

justinh:

all I care about to do with firewire is that it pisses all over usb2 for speed

[11:10:12]

directhex:

for large data streams, yes

[11:10:18]

directhex:

it's useless for packeted data

[11:10:21]

justinh:

heh

[11:10:41]

directhex:

anyway, want speed? infiniband!

[11:11:08]

justinh:

can't get many cheap portable HDDs with infiniband, though

[11:11:23]

black_Nightmare_:

well justinh one thing to think about is that usb2 really runs more or less at half of its theriocal number because of operating in only bursts while firewire always gets close to the 400 or 800 number (I'm sure you already knew this tho, sorry if I'm pestering you ;) )

[11:11:43]

directhex:

well, it's gotta be a critical mass thing. stick an IB controller into everything that moves, i'm sure the drives will follow

[11:11:58]

justinh:

all I knows is, on my external HDD which has both, firewire is WAY faster

[11:12:14]

directhex:

for large files, or small files?

[11:12:36]

justinh:

I only ever have need to transfer files of hundreds of MB or more

[11:14:07]

** Tomas- is not looking forward to tonight, 8h more of hitting my head into the wall (Trying to get Antec Fusion black IR & LCD to work) :p **

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black_Nightmare_:

tomas hehe poor you

[11:15:01]

Tomas-:

Found two more patches today that I'm going to try

[11:20:22]

justinh:

when did Creative's site become such a bag of flash wank?

[11:20:43]

directhex:

justinh, when the company did?

[11:21:23]

justinh:

trying to find user manuals for their players

[11:21:40]

justinh:

ffs – only chm files available!

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justinh:

riiight. no line input. bastards

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh...creative isn't good these days anymore..enough said? :p

[11:25:30]

justinh:

so what is? and don't say iPoo

[11:25:59]

justinh:

not spending £100 on a player which doesn't have a line input then forking out £30 for a line input adapter

[11:26:27]

** black_Nightmare_ doesn't like apple neither **

[11:26:31]

black_Nightmare_:

^-^

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justinh:

that leaves iriver, sandisk ...

[11:26:50]

directhex:

line in? iriver.

[11:27:13]

directhex:

old h-series irivers are still a firm favourite amongst the live recording crowd

[11:28:44]

black_Nightmare_:

which of do either of you know if there's still anyone making micro-sized players that used external storage medias? (usb thumbdrive, microSD, etc)

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justinh:

I'd just stick with my MD recorder if I was content with sub-mp3 quality & having to transfer in real-time analogue

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loki_666:

hi

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loki_666:

i'm having an issue with livetv, i'm using a pvr-150, and the frontend is connected to an LCD TV trgough HDMI

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loki_666:

when whatching livetv, the output is diviede in two parts,

[11:57:27]

loki_666:

i think it's related to interlaced input, because when i'm using a resolution of 1080i, I dont experience this problem, when i'm in 720p i do

[11:57:31]

loki_666:

any idea?

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loki_666:

when whatching livetv, the output is divided in two parts

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justinh:

you need to deinterlace

[12:11:33]

loki_666:

i tried different settings in playback profile

[12:11:39]

loki_666:

it deosnt change

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GreyFoxx:

1 image on top ofthe other ? at the same time ?

[12:12:05]

loki_666:

i need to go in the menu and set progressive scan when watching livetv

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GreyFoxx:

Turn off bo2x deinterlacing

[12:12:37]

** GreyFoxx guesses ATI video card with bob2x **

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loki_666:

GreyFoxx: yep 1 image in the first half of the screen and an other just in the bottom

[12:12:56]

loki_666:

yep ATI

[12:13:09]

GreyFoxx:

use a different deinterlacer :)

[12:13:56]

loki_666:

GreyFoxx: i tried all settings, it doesnt change, i can only get rid of this by switching the resolution in my xorg to 1080i

[12:14:07]

loki_666:

but my TV does only 720p

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justinh:

another glowing recommendation for ATI then :-\

[12:15:44]

loki_666:

i'm on HDMI cable

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GreyFoxx:

loki: Every other person in here with the same problem have all fixed it by changing the deinterlacer to something different

[12:16:25]

GreyFoxx:

Change your deinterlacer in your profile to Kernel and test it out

[12:16:44]

GreyFoxx:

(make sure you change it in the one that's getting picked for the playback of the material you are playing)

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loki_666:

mmmh, ok ty

[12:17:02]

GreyFoxx:

It's a bug in the ATI driver which bob2x brings to the forefront

[12:17:17]

GreyFoxx:

unless you have one with identical symptons which is a different cause, but I doubt it

[12:17:21]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, even in the latest all-singing driver?

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GreyFoxx:

dire: It's "suppose" to work in the new one, but noone that's tried it has reported back success

[12:18:04]

loki_666:

GreyFoxx: what do you mean by make sure ...

[12:18:09]

GreyFoxx:

nor failure, they juest haven't said anything

[12:18:39]

loki_666:

you mean configure to resolution "filter" in the playbakc profile?µ

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GreyFoxx:

loki: If your profile defines multiple resolution levels, make sure you change the deinterlacer in all of them

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loki_666:

k

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loki_666:

i tried the fglrx 8.6, it srewed up the frontend

[12:19:50]

loki_666:

desktop is ok, but when i laucnh myth-frontend, it's all messy

[12:20:27]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, the qt painter is definitely broken in 8.6, i've head multiple reports

[12:20:35]

directhex:

make that another

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directhex:

http://www.badaboomit.com/blog/ -nvidia-accelerated h264 encoder

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loki_666:

is there another painter to use with?

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directhex:

there's opengl. good luck.

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loki_666:

ok i'll try, but 'im fine with fglrx 8.3 except for the issue with the deinterlacer

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GreyFoxx:

Is that likely to be Windows only ?

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loki_666:

my frontend is running on linux

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GreyFoxx:

I was referring to the URL Directhex posted, sorry :)

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loki_666:

oops

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directhex:

probably, but nvidia might push for a linux lib version

[12:24:26]

directhex:

given it's a proof-of-concept CUDA app

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loki_666:

is the backend restarting unfinished job (like if i shut it down, when it was running commflagging)?

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dramman:

Any clues as to why I can't get audio working through mythtv, but it works in mplayer and other applications?

[12:50:27]

loki_666:

is the backend restarting unfinished job (like if i shut it down, when it was running commflagging)?

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directhex:

dramman, you've got the wrong audio device set in myth?

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dramman:

directhex: I think I've tried all options

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dramman:

woohoo! found the problem directly in mysql

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justinh:

idiot

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sid3windr:

lol

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directhex:

and what was the problem that mysqlclient made so easy to find?

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dramman:

My remote still needs to be configured properly. What should have been "ALSA:Default" was "ALSA:DefaultW" (remote seems to like injecting extra characters)

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justinh:

gimpy

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dramman:

The system seems to get really confused when you enter the image gallery – can't even escape out to the menu

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dramman:

gimpyW

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justinh:

top tip for mr suspect PSU on the mailing list – if your PC's PSU wipes out whole TV channels on VHF/UHF – it's BAD

[13:38:03]

sid3windr:

:]

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directhex:

top tip for wood chipper owners: do not sleep inside wood chipper

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justinh:

hey, when I plug something in, it emits thick black smoke & smells awful. should I return it as faulty?

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sid3windr:

depends

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sid3windr:

is it a smoke machine?

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justinh:

the devs are gonna have one hell of a job making mythtv idiot proof, if that is the kind of idiot being attracted :)

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justinh:

sid3windr: my smoke machine only emits nice smelling white smoke

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sid3windr:

good, was just about to say that it should not be smelling :p

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justinh:

plus it's not really smoke as such.. more steam that hangs around a long time

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justinh:

distilled water & glycerin-like substances

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directhex:

sontaran clone feed?

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justinh:

que?

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justinh:

ahhh dr poo reference

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directhex:

wifey now has a >1080p monitor. i shall consider a blu-ray drive for it.

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directhex:

hm, <£75 for a dual format reader

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jduggan:

not bad

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justinh:

wait a bit longer they'll be £20 :)

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EvilGuru:

Does the time-warping playback feature do anything to adjust the pitch of the audio?

[15:04:11]

PatrickDK:

tthere where two modes to it, I thought

[15:04:22]

PatrickDK:

adjust audio pitch to fit video speed

[15:04:28]

PatrickDK:

or adjust video speed to match audio

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EvilGuru:

Where does that lurk?

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justinh:

huh?

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justinh:

it always changes the pitch of the audio to match the speed of the video

[15:05:29]

justinh:

(in timestretch mode)

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EvilGuru:

I had it at 1.3x and thought it sounded a little higher than usual; just me I guess

[15:06:38]

justinh:

it does change slightly but that's a side-effect of the algorithm used

[15:06:52]

justinh:

like a couple of cents

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justinh:

I was playing with Ableton properly last night .. now that has some nifty audio mangling :)

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VagaStor1:

is it posible to use the webinterface to remote control my mythtv box?

[15:15:40]

VagaStor1:

not just recording, altho that is nice to, but what is wieved?

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hti_pro:

hey guys, I'm upgrading my mythbackend from an amd duron 800 to an amd athlon XP 3000+ with another nvidia card. I am thinking about just switching hard drives and see if everything works. I am sure I will have to adjust the BusID in my xorg.conf file. Does anyone have any tips on what I may expect to see?

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anykey_:

just remove the BusID, it's not really needed...

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justinh:

VagaStor1: no

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hti_pro:

I have had some luck doing this in the past but it was always pretty close to the same generation of the respective chipsets. Wasn't sure about it b/c it is a newer generation of amd

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immensewok:

random question. is there a way to run "mythfrontend filename" or something similar from the command line? or, is there a way to set jumppoints for individual episodes? essentially, can you play a show in mythtv without navigating the menus? i can run "mplayer filename" but i lose commercial skipping, osd, deinterlacing and all the other goodies i've already set up in mythtv.

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iamlindoro_:

"mythtv filename"

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immensewok:

that's it?

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iamlindoro_:

Why not try it instead of double-asking?

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immensewok:

i'm not around my mythbox right now. i'm also feeling a little foolish for overlooking something so simple. but thanks.

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iamlindoro_:

np

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PatrickDK:

whoa, a straight answer from iamlindoro, without sarcasm

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iamlindoro_:

!trout PatrickDK sarcasm-laced

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** MythLogBot slaps PatrickDK with a sarcasm-laced trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

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PatrickDK:

hehe

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PatrickDK:

well, you will be free of me the rest of this week, till next monday :)

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PatrickDK:

business trip

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|Torg|:

do them by webex :)

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PatrickDK:

do what via webex?

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PatrickDK:

annoy you? or the business trip?

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|Torg|:

business trip

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PatrickDK:

that is alittle hard

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PatrickDK:

when I have to pick up equipment and install it

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Ace2016_:

quick idea

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Ace2016_:

you can use one dvb-t aerial with 2 dvbt cards right? well what about 4 dvbt arials on one card? would i get an amazing signal?

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|Torg|:

ghosting

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|Torg|:

unless you set them up, specifically spaced, in an array all you would do is have them interfear with eachother, at best you would get ghosting

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Ace2016_:

ah

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Ace2016_:

what do the amplified aerials do?

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NSVOE:

hellow

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Ace2016_:

do they amplify whatever signal is received by the aerial or do they put a current through the aerial to make it pick up better? or create a field in the metal aerial component?

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Ace2016_:

hi

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NSVOE:

what if i want to use mythtv but i really hate hugggepe or whatever mythtv swears by

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Gershwin:

hauppauge?

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NSVOE:

what else can i use

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|Torg|:

an ariel works by plaing elemets of specifc lengths at specific spacing, an anteanna "catches" the RF that is in the air

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NSVOE:

yeah that

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Ace2016_:

but those cards are great and they work out of the box, i have a dvb-s and a dvb-t card

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iamlindoro_:

I'd say you probably have no reasonable reason for disliking Hauppauge, or that your reasons are silly/nonsense

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NSVOE:

price

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Ace2016_:

ebay

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|Torg|:

price? go by a tv, connect up a coat hanger, and forget about making a PVR

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Gershwin:

NSVOE: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1

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Ace2016_:

hang on a sec, will the coat hanger thing work with digital signals?

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|Torg|:

umm yes :)

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Gershwin:

a coat hanger is digital

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Gershwin:

either it has clothes hanging on it or it doesn't

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NSVOE:

our company can't buy off of ebay and i'm looking at a large donation possablly if we actually can find a card hat is cheap

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Ace2016_:

lol

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|Torg|:

not any worse them those indoor HD anteaans im afrid

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Gershwin:

wow, your company is banned from eBay?

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Ace2016_:

lol

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Ace2016_:

i think its a company policy

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NSVOE:

no.....it's not a vendor

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iamlindoro_:

If you doing this through a *company* then the reason of price is particularly stupid. Must not be interested in creating a good product...

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Gershwin:

iamlindoro_, I think we should "read between the lines"

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Gershwin:

a little deeper, I mean

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NSVOE:

not when the whole entitey of the company is cheap prices expinsive quality

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NSVOE:

to customers

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NSVOE:

but realy no one knows???

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iamlindoro_:

Considering you haven't even told us what *type* of tuner you want, you're not going to get very far...

[16:37:39]

Gershwin:

NSVOE, I wish I had your cognitive and language abilities.

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Ace2016_:

i think ebay have those cheap bt848 dvbt cards, they worked for at least an hour before frying

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Gershwin:

...my life would be so much simpler.

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Ace2016_:

i'm sure you could ship a big box of them from china

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NSVOE:

i have my eye on a kworld pvr

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iamlindoro_:

Cheap shitty tuners aren't going to magically turn into quality tuners when you turn around and sell them to your customers... they'll still be shitty tuners

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otwin:

NSVOE: you don't *have* to use hauppauge cards, where did you get that stupid idea...

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iamlindoro_:

And you *still* haven't specified a tuner type

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Ace2016_:

dvb-t or dvb-s what else?

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|Torg|:

cheap tuner chips that freeze, stop working, core dump a driver or generally screw up a system are always welcome, please make more

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NSVOE:

http://www.ebunlimited.com/servlet/the-20009/ . . . 4-PCI/Detail

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iamlindoro_:

So you want analog tuners

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iamlindoro_:

Then you'd better get used to the idea of Hauppauge

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NSVOE:

yeah i don't need digital all digital signals are encrypted anyway

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|Torg|:

no they are not

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NSVOE:

most that is

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NSVOE:

your right hbo is un encrypted encore id unencryptd

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Ace2016_:

which country are you in?

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail. . . . om_keycode=4

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iamlindoro_:

There you go

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Hilikus:

hey guys, since i upgraded to ubuntu 8.03 and myth 0.21 imv having a problem. the controls (remote or keyboard) stop responding for like 20–30secs and then it unfreezes and does all the actions in 1. this happens specially when watching live tv and i try to see the guide

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iamlindoro_:

$60, analog hardware encoder, w/ a digital tuner too, and it's still Hauppauge

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NSVOE:

max is un encrypted ??

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Hilikus:

anyone heard of this?

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|Torg|:

213 programs, using 1.3 TB (8 days 13 hrs 48 mins) out of 1.8 TB (457 GB free). all HD, mostly 1080I some 720P and none of it was encrypted

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NSVOE:

but i need low profile

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iamlindoro_:

oh ffs

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NSVOE:

i'm not even trying to be picky

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: adding low profile to the mix *is* picky

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NSVOE:

not really

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iamlindoro_:

You will *never* get a decent analog tuner in low profile, especially if you are excluding Hauppauge

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Hilikus:

in the backend log i can see a couple of interesting entries, not sure if they are normal

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Hilikus:

2008-06–24 12:35:13.662 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket):

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Hilikus:

Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

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Hilikus:

2008-06–24 12:35:13.666 RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file ()

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: Based on your questions and requirements, it's pretty clear you have no idea what is out there, or any notion of what the decent tuners are, so I don't think you're equipped to determine if you're being picky

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PatrickDK:

hmm

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PatrickDK:

I wonder if the HVR-1600 would fix the strange pci issue I am having with my pvr-350 + 3ware 7506 card

[17:03:30]

PatrickDK:

If I install either card by itself everything works

[17:03:56]

Gershwin:

are they sharing the same irq?

[17:03:59]

PatrickDK:

if both are installed, sometimes the computer won't even turn on, but most of the time just after the raid card has been used like nuts for awhile, the system will lock

[17:04:02]

PatrickDK:

nope

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iamlindoro_:

Might help, especially as the 1600 would be on PCIe

[17:04:18]

iamlindoro_:

erm, whoops, was thinking 1800

[17:04:31]

PatrickDK:

no pci-e here yet

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, might help anyway :)

[17:04:52]

Gershwin:

do you suspect it's interrupt-related PatrickDK?

[17:05:07]

PatrickDK:

pvr-350 on irq 5, 3w-7506 on irq 12

[17:05:15]

PatrickDK:

I don't think so

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Gershwin:

and when each are in alone, they use the same ones, right?

[17:05:41]

PatrickDK:

ya, the irq's don't change when alone

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Gershwin:

ok

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PatrickDK:

I think it's a bus mastering issue myself

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Gershwin:

i was thinking dma, but dunno how to check or test

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PatrickDK:

but I used to have them in an older computer, and upgrade it to a new motherboard/cpu/... and still the same issue

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PatrickDK:

neither are using dma on the computer level

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PatrickDK:

they would have to be on the pci level, I believe to do bus mastering

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PatrickDK:

and I know they both do that

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Hilikus:

how come theres no man mythfrontend?

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Hilikus:

where can i see the available parameters

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iamlindoro_:

mythfrontend --help

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Hilikus:

weird, it doest like it from ssh because theres no display to open, i didnt think that would happen just for --help

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Hilikus:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro_:

np

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Hilikus:

whats the context tv frontend? is it when im watching tv? or when im in the guide or both?

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NSVOE:

i do know what is out there i just don't know what will work with linux myth tv .........i'm not picky , that's what customers demand so weather it is actually being picky or not that it is not ME therefore i am not being picky, if you are saying that there is no market for a cheap, quality pvr system with a low profile case ..then i know that's not true iamlindoro_ i am doing nothing more than looking for the truth that is my job

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: All the decent analog tuners are hardware encoders. So that eliminates most analog tuners. Then you have those remaining which have linux support. So that eliminates another big chunk. Then you have those whose manufacturers produce low-profile cards. And that leaves you with pretty much Hauppauge. The Kworld you were "eyeing" doesn't even have linux support. Nobody said anything about whether there is a "market" for your product

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iamlindoro_:

PS, if you build a PVR that is only analog, and therefore SD only and marginal quality at best, then there *is* not market whatsoever for it. Not in the USA, anyway.

[17:45:36]

iamlindoro_:

Not when you can buy a TiVO or Windows MCE box with CableCARD support which would be both digital and HD.

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Tomas-:

I'm having small problems with Antec fusion case and lircd, anyone familiar with the internal workings of lircd?

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NSVOE:

i'm trying to put something else out there, do something diffrent .......i happen to think myth tv is better than windows media

[17:47:55]

NSVOE:

i have seen it in action

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: I also believe Myth is better-- but you will *not* sell many to the average consumer, when all you can offer them is SD analog.

[17:48:47]

NSVOE:

why not ??

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iamlindoro_:

But that's not the point. The point is you need to come to terms with the fact that for the requirements you have stated, you will need to purchase Hauppauge, end of story.

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NSVOE:

even with a digital if they have cox they can't go past channel 70 something

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: You are incorrect

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NSVOE:

is there something new

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NSVOE:

cause last time i cheked you still had to have the digital decryptor box

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|Torg|:

becase SD is dying, and if you want to compete with analog you have to compete with a SD tvio unit, something you can get on the second had market VERY cheaply becase of the loss of SD

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: With that analog tuner all they will be able to get is the first 100 or so channels, OR they will be forced to use a STB. And the quality is shit compared to digital.

[17:50:29]

|Torg|:

if you think they want SD stil becase cable or sat offers it then you are compting agsint those companies OWN pvr systems

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iamlindoro_:

There is *no* reason they would want that instead of a cable CO DVR, or a Tivo w/ CableCARD support, or MCE w cablecard support. None.

[17:51:00]

NSVOE:

yes

[17:51:05]

NSVOE:

no monthly fee

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NSVOE:

and upgradable options

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: and shit video

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NSVOE:

off site backup

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: okay, partner, well you get started and let us know when you make it big

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NSVOE:

i'm confused

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NSVOE:

your talking abut 100 channels ..... right ??

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: I'm talkimg about the fact that analog tuning looks like shit no matter what the source is

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iamlindoro_:

and that their picture will be about a thousand times better with a Tivo or an MCE box /w cablecard

[17:53:05]

iamlindoro_:

And that that trumps off-site backup and lack of monthly fee for every consumer, everywhere

[17:53:33]

iamlindoro_:

And unless your customers still rent a STB, they will not get all their channels

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iamlindoro_:

so yeah, there will *still* be a monthly fee with what you want to do

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|Torg|:

the masses dont care about off site backups or upgrades they just want to watch Dancing with the Stars when they feal like it

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NSVOE:

that's hypothetical .....it's POSSABLE ....to get 100 un encrypted channels true, but is there some kind of new technology that gives myth the ability the ability to tune in encrypted channels ??

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iamlindoro_:

plus your customers will have to pay for Schedules Direct, so theyre'll be a yearly fee too

[17:54:26]

iamlindoro_:

er there'll

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|Torg|:

most dont either know there are differnces or care, becase the sat and cable comanpies sell quite allot of their own dvrs to their own customer

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NSVOE:

if that is a yes then i wouldnot mind going biggger

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iamlindoro_:

Bigger? bigger what?

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NSVOE:

getting an d card with 300 channel tuner

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NSVOE:

hd

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NSVOE:

if that even exists

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: As you mentioned before, your customer would only get whatever is left unencrypted

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iamlindoro_:

And there's no cablecard in linux, so...

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NSVOE:

i was just saying i was told once that the cards can't tune digital encrypted channels

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iamlindoro_:

You are correct

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iamlindoro_:

And for most people relatively few channels are unencrypted there are exceptions, but most people get locals and that's it via digital tuners

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NSVOE:

well .... we get up till 6

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iamlindoro_:

So the point is selling mythboxes is *not viable* right now as they have too many drawbacks. The customer can get *all* of their channels in perfect digital format with MCE, TiVO, or the cable co DVR... so why would they want a Myth box where they can't, or can get all of their channels but only with a set top box, and only in Standard Def, and in shitty quality?

[17:57:36]

NSVOE:

76

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: That would be via *analog* tuning, not digital

[17:58:12]

iamlindoro_:

the analog channels are NOT the same as the unencrypted digital ones

[17:58:31]

iamlindoro_:

Completely different channel layout

[17:59:04]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: What is your zip code

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NSVOE:

70817

[17:59:26]

NSVOE:

we have cox

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=70817

[17:59:46]

iamlindoro_:

Those are all the channels that would come in digitally

[17:59:50]

iamlindoro_:

It's next to nothing

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NSVOE:

wrong addy

[18:00:41]

NSVOE:

unless it's a page full of text

[18:00:42]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: the site maps it to that ZIP, it's still the same lineup

[18:01:00]

iamlindoro_:

It is text

[18:01:11]

iamlindoro_:

Comes up fine here

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iamlindoro_:

shows the channels which are unencrypted digital. 27 channels, all local

[18:02:08]

PatrickDK:

iamlindoro, he must be using ie

[18:02:09]

iamlindoro_:

So you can give your customers 27 digital channels, or you can give them a few, shitty quality channels in analog. What possible reason would they have to choose your box over one that gives them *all* of their channels in perfect digital?

[18:02:26]

iamlindoro_:

PatrickDK: If that's so, then he's beyond my help ;)

[18:02:38]

PatrickDK:

ie shows it like crap, works fine in ff

[18:02:42]

NSVOE:

was thinkng price

[18:03:07]

NSVOE:

not useing ie

[18:03:14]

NSVOE:

i can't even use ie

[18:03:18]

NSVOE:

i use pclos

[18:03:30]

NSVOE:

well i coud with wine

[18:03:32]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: If they want all their channels they'll need to rent a STB. If they want listings there will be a yearly fee. And their recordings will look like shit in analog. Plus there's purchasing the box. So where's the savings?

[18:04:42]

NSVOE:

other than the card it's at around 150 currently

[18:04:48]

NSVOE:

you want one

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iamlindoro_:

Let's assume you charge $299. Plus a $20 SD yearly fee. So $320ish. Let's assume that you, like me, would pay $10 a month to rent a DVR from the cable company... so it will be almost *three years* before they even break even. And all that time they'll be watching terrible quality recordings

[18:05:03]

NSVOE:

wholesale

[18:05:09]

NSVOE:

super wholesale

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NSVOE:

i told you where in it for the customer

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iamlindoro_:

OK, not even worth arguing this with you-- this will *fail* and you don't even have the sense to realize that you are setting the customer you claim to put first up to have terrible quality, at a distinct disadvantage

[18:06:06]

Gershwin:

is this for a standalone dvr?

[18:06:25]

NSVOE:

yeah

[18:06:36]

PatrickDK:

yes, my cable company has 3 unencrypted hd channels :)

[18:06:45]

NSVOE:

not yet iamlindoro cause i haven't put the card in yet

[18:06:59]

NSVOE:

that's the point of coming in here

[18:07:01]

Gershwin:

are you thinking of mass producing a dvr NSVOE?

[18:07:11]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: ANY CARD YOU PURCHASE will be able to tune either only a few channels, or will look like shit. So which will it be?

[18:07:26]

NSVOE:

not really if i was i would get it integrated into the motherboard

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Gershwin:

i suppose.. i guess it depends on the volume... it wouldn't make sense if you were going to make... say, maybe 1000 units / yr

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NSVOE:

do you think ....cause that was the next step

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Gershwin:

I don't understand

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iamlindoro_:

Not to worry, neither does he

[18:10:34]

iamlindoro_:

I'm waiting to find out whether he's going to give his customers a digital tuner for 27 channels, or an analog tuner for shit quality straight out of the late 90s

[18:10:40]

high-rez:

Hey guys. I'm using a mceusb device (mceusb2.ko to be specific). It works perfect with with mythtv. I had heard, however, that I can use it to turn my TV on/off. The documents don't say anything about this though. Anyone know if it's true and if so how?

[18:10:51]

NSVOE:

they said they would see how they sold ......but to prepare a mass rollout plan ..........that was it.........to get a smaller case get a motherboard with integrated tv tuner

[18:11:44]

Gershwin:

It sounds like you have a lot of work to do NSVOE.

[18:12:20]

Gershwin:

It is encouraging to see someone with that level of enthusiasm and enterprise

[18:12:34]

NSVOE:

it's not impossable even i know that.......there are advantages to not haveing an integrated tv tuner

[18:12:45]

Gershwin:

what other products has your company manufactured NSVOE?

[18:13:05]

NSVOE:

software

[18:13:25]

Gershwin:

ahh ok, so this will be the first foray into production

[18:13:28]

NSVOE:

2 divisions

[18:13:41]

Gershwin:

i mean manufacturing/assembly/etc.

[18:14:20]

NSVOE:

our it division "neardworks " does most of that

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NSVOE:

this is still ies trying to do this

[18:14:32]

Gershwin:

nice

[18:15:30]

Gershwin:

my thoughts are that this is definately a market that is ripe for more products

[18:15:53]

Gershwin:

how far is/are your prototype unit(s)?

[18:16:42]

NSVOE:

not verry........at ies i'm pretty much the only one in the office running linux

[18:17:07]

NSVOE:

and it was proposed about 2 weeks ago and i got th eok about 3 days ago

[18:17:16]

NSVOE:

the ok

[18:17:18]

high-rez:

What type of integrated turner is this? A mobo with integrated dvb-s would be awesome. :)

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NSVOE:

thet's what i was doing makeing sure it would be passable , with my sources at msi

[18:20:03]

PatrickDK:

the pure and simple issue is using cable-cards with linux

[18:21:26]

NSVOE:

if we go integrated then we'll get some drivers made most likely if so they'll send us a devel kit incase we wanted to add something

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NSVOE:

i guess that could be good for myth to see how they made it work

[18:21:49]

NSVOE:

??

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** NSVOE is getting tired of watching consumer and me halfto pay monthly for tevo or dvr **

[18:24:37]

PatrickDK:

the monthly fee makes a crapload of marking sense

[18:24:39]

iamlindoro_:

No, there will never be an open-source Cablecard implementation

[18:24:53]

iamlindoro_:

That's right, I said not ever

[18:24:59]

GreyFoxx:

at least not a certified one

[18:25:09]

GreyFoxx:

but if it works, who cares if its certified :)

[18:25:30]

iamlindoro_:

But if it's not certified, it's illegal in various and exciting ways ;)

[18:25:42]

iamlindoro_:

DMCA type ways

[18:25:58]

GreyFoxx:

Pfffrt Silly stuff that

[18:26:10]

iamlindoro_:

Silly indeed, but the law of the land none the less

[18:26:16]

GreyFoxx:

Your land :)

[18:26:29]

GreyFoxx:

But if the money bags had their way we'd get it too

[18:26:33]

iamlindoro_:

and particularly relevant to someone trying to mass market a product

[18:26:37]

NSVOE:

were talking to cox.......just thought you should know that

[18:26:43]

NSVOE:

they know

[18:26:56]

iamlindoro_:

Too bad Cox has no control over CableCard implementation

[18:26:58]

GreyFoxx:

Franky, even a closed sourced binary would be nice like the nvidia driver

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iamlindoro_:

Yup, wouldn't mind that

[18:27:07]

NSVOE:

msi does

[18:27:14]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: no, they don't

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GreyFoxx:

closed binary but open api for talkign to it

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iamlindoro_:

One body controls specifications and implementation of CableCard. CableLabs. The end.

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NSVOE:

cablelabs

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, that's what I said

[18:28:38]

NSVOE:

is that like the DISH mafia

[18:28:46]

Tomas-:

Woho! Managed to create new WORKING lircd.conf files for both the MCE remote and the Wheel on the Antec fusion case using the imon driver, no need for the mceusb receiver

[18:28:55]

NSVOE:

or COX CIA

[18:28:59]

NSVOE:

lol

[18:29:16]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: If you don't know who CableLabs is then you are a long, long way from a DVR that is actually viable

[18:29:59]

NSVOE:

just try and explain why they are afraid of opensource

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PatrickDK:

nsvoe, that is easy

[18:31:49]

PatrickDK:

security through obscurity

[18:32:27]

PatrickDK:

and also cablelabs wants their fee's

[18:32:42]

NSVOE:

the quality of being unclear or abstruse and hard to

[18:32:42]

NSVOE:

understand

[18:32:44]

PatrickDK:

and opensource stuff has no owners, and everyone can use, so they wouldn't get fees

[18:33:20]

iamlindoro_:

When and if you sign an agreement with cablelabs, you will be required to a) DRM all your recordings, and b) keep your implementation closed-source

[18:34:11]

NSVOE:

our company does work with cox so our sales cheif knows the cfo

[18:34:18]

iamlindoro_:

Who cares?

[18:34:29]

iamlindoro_:

That doesn't put you any closer to cablelabs, Cox can't do a damn thing

[18:35:41]

NSVOE:

yeah i happen to know for a fact that they can do alot, whole hell of alot more than they tell customers

[18:36:00]

NSVOE:

even employees

[18:36:56]

NSVOE:

btw cox really doesn't trust their employees much at all

[18:38:09]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: You are living in an absolute fantasy land. You have no notion of how the cable industry works. You don't know who the major players are. You don't even know the advantages or disadvantages of analog versus digital tuners! Anyone who has read this discussion from start to finish has seen you start with "NSVOE: that's hypothetical .....it's POSSABLE ....to get 100 un encrypted channels true, but is there some kind of new technology th

[18:39:33]

iamlindoro_:

If this alleged project is in your hands, then I fear for the future of your company. More likely, based upon your demonstrated knowledge level, I am concluding that you are a guy who wants to whip up some myth boxes and sell them on the internet, and has no idea what he is getting in to.

[18:40:19]

iamlindoro_:

In either case, you have a LOT of learning to do, because your basic knowledge of how cable systems work, who the certifying bodies are, and the limitations of various technologies is painfully, painfully lacking.

[18:41:36]

iamlindoro_:

Now where's justinh and directhex when I need them

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PatrickDK:

hell, I am just scared of iamlindoro today

[18:42:40]

PatrickDK:

no usual bitching and screaming

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NSVOE:

i know about the hardware i told you FIRST you tryed to make it sound like i could get more channels if i bought some 40 dollar card .............have you even used an analog card

[18:43:27]

NSVOE:

cause i'm useing one in the next cubicle and i'm getting 60

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NSVOE:

it's on windows mindyo

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NSVOE:

channel 60

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: 60 is average for an analog card, NSVOE, nobody said you couldn't get that many on an analog tuner

[18:44:12]

NSVOE:

the digital tuner is for DIGITAL CABLE

[18:44:22]

NSVOE:

you did

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iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: no shit, sherlock

[18:44:46]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: What I was demonstrating to you was what was unencrypted in your area via digital. 27 channels.

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iamlindoro_:

analog lineups and unencrypted digital lineups have *no* relation to one another

[18:45:28]

iamlindoro_:

You will *not* get the channels you get with an analog tuner via unencrypted digital tuning

[18:45:35]

NSVOE:

and i said it was COMPLETELY pointless to get a digital card unless they had new technology that could somehow deecrypt ..

[18:45:35]

iamlindoro_:

You will get the 27 I linked you to.

[18:45:42]

Hilikus:

MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Warning: Stream type 'DVD-Special 2'

[18:45:42]

Hilikus:

is not supported by ivtv driver, using 'DVD' instead.

[18:45:57]

Hilikus:

i thought ivtv supported dvd-special 2

[18:46:03]

Hilikus:

did they drop it recently?

[18:46:11]

NSVOE:

cause digital channels are encrypted

[18:46:12]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: and that is correct. And it is pointless to get an *analog* tuner because cable companies are dropping analog and they look like shit to begin with

[18:47:07]

iamlindoro_:

therefore, there is *no* card you can presently buy that will allow your "customers" to tune all the channels they could with a TiVo, or MCE, or a Cable Co DVR.

[18:47:24]

NSVOE:

and that is one of our pitches trust me .......our company has contracts with higher people than the cable companys

[18:47:36]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: you are a joke, and now... /ignore

[18:47:57]

Hilikus:

lol

[18:48:09]

NSVOE:

fine

[18:48:10]

EvilGuru:

/ignore really is underrated

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iamlindoro_:

Good thing I'm not a channel op, eh? ;)

[18:48:26]

iamlindoro_:

There'd be six people in here

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|Torg|:

5 of them would be bots

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EvilGuru:

|Torg|: Or someone who could kick him

[18:49:13]

NSVOE:

me

[18:49:16]

NSVOE:

i am doing nothing

[18:49:34]

NSVOE:

accept telling the truth

[18:49:38]

|Torg|:

expect not payinf attention to what people who have used linux and myth for years

[18:49:48]

|Torg|:

digital does not equal HD

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|Torg|:

not all digital is encrypted

[18:49:58]

NSVOE:

i NEVER said that

[18:50:10]

iamlindoro_:

EvilGuru: the trouble with ignor is you start to see the replies and then you get curious :)

[18:50:13]

iamlindoro_:

er ignore

[18:50:23]

NSVOE:

i said that was the main point of digital

[18:50:33]

NSVOE:

when cox rolled it out

[18:50:43]

NSVOE:

iamlindoro_ is being a babby

[18:50:56]

NSVOE:

i use linux also for about 2 years now

[18:50:59]

EvilGuru:

NSVOE: You're new here, aren't you?

[18:51:00]

NSVOE:

i'm not an idiot

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|Torg|:

wow 2 years

[18:51:45]

NSVOE:

i'm a tech for 5 years i don't know everythig about myth and tv tuners

[18:52:07]

NSVOE:

i primarily deal with surveillance

[18:52:12]

Tomas-:

00000000800f8422 01 OK MCE_Remote_on_Antec_Fusion_Black_v1_imon

[18:52:12]

Tomas-:

0000000000010000 00 WheelCW Antec_Fusion_Black_v1_Wheel

[18:52:12]

Tomas-:

0000000000010000 01 WheelCW Antec_Fusion_Black_v1_Wheel

[18:52:15]

Tomas-:

success :)

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Hilikus:

RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket):

[18:52:34]

Hilikus:

Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

[18:52:47]

Hilikus:

any idea what causes that?

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NSVOE:

i'm reporting this channel...i have a chat log

[18:53:06]

Hilikus:

lol!!

[18:53:12]

|Torg|:

do does mythlogbot, and archives too

[18:53:15]

iamlindoro_:

Oh wow I picked the right time to unignore

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|Torg|:

or did you ingore that when you enterd the channel?

[18:53:23]

EvilGuru:

NSVOE: Mommy doesn't have control over us

[18:53:25]

iamlindoro_:

I can't wait to hear who we're getting reported to

[18:53:41]

Hilikus:

bill gates

[18:53:47]

NSVOE:

oooh i saw that

[18:53:47]

iamlindoro_:

And what penalties I personally will face

[18:54:00]

|Torg|:

NSVOE: I got new for you too, google indexes those pages, go on try it

[18:54:06]

NSVOE:

how many people actually go the proper channels to report people

[18:54:13]

NSVOE:

well i will

[18:54:14]

whoDat_:

nsvoe: What was your point in all this again? you think mythtv would be cheaper than the cable company's provided cable box, with as good a lineup with digital and hd?

[18:54:19]

iamlindoro_:

NSVOE: Then this part will be fun

[18:54:28]

iamlindoro_:

suck my balls, you cock sucking cunt faced pussy ass child

[18:54:30]

Hilikus:

lol stop it man, youre making it worse

[18:54:50]

iamlindoro_:

you can lick my asshole and eat my shit, while I whack my cock in your womanly face

[18:55:05]

EvilGuru:

And it is those random, off the wall outburst, which keep me coming back here

[18:55:05]

iamlindoro_:

I will 2Girls1Cup your mom, you little dildo

[18:55:07]

Hilikus:

how do you know his face is womanly?

[18:55:14]

NSVOE:

see you don't ban him

[18:55:18]

NSVOE:

yet your baning me

[18:55:31]

NSVOE:

that goes against the rules of the chat

[18:55:37]

PatrickDK:

rules?

[18:55:41]

iamlindoro_:

There, now at least I will enjoy my many years in federal prison for telling NSVOE how TV works

[18:55:45]

PatrickDK:

I never knew their where rules for irc

[18:55:52]

PatrickDK:

just the enforcement of the gods

[18:55:53]

Hilikus:

NSVOE the best way to explain it is, you're a nobody, he's not

[18:55:53]

NSVOE:

channel rules

[18:56:03]

|Torg|:

there arent any rules, just guidelines

[18:56:10]

directhex:

iamlindoro, ?

[18:56:10]

iamlindoro_:

suggestions, really ;)

[18:56:24]

NSVOE:

there are rules

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NSVOE:

on the site

[18:56:32]

PatrickDK:

the *rules* are to help keep people like iamlindoro sane from people like nsvoe

[18:56:38]

iamlindoro_:

directhex: Ah, you've missed all the good stuff. The log should be good for a laugh

[18:56:39]

|Torg|:

no there is what we are asked not to talk about

[18:57:10]

NSVOE:

oooh i'm crazy now

[18:57:24]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro there was a site I found once that would make comics from irc chat logs, its gota be worth looking up again :)

[18:57:27]

NSVOE:

there is alitle bit more than that

[18:57:41]

iamlindoro_:

|Torg|: hahahaha

[18:57:44]

iamlindoro_:

I would love to see that

[18:58:14]

directhex:

|Torg|, jerkcity?

[18:58:18]

Hilikus:

NSVOE how old are you anyway? just curious

[18:58:20]

iamlindoro_:

Yay, now I'm having fun again

[18:58:29]

DGnome:

Could someone help me find one of the last svn revisions of trunk mythtv before qt4 merge?

[18:58:48]

clever:

iamlindoro_: i could explain how my systems are setup if you want more fun:P

[18:59:07]

iamlindoro_:

clever: Hahah, I may tease you for that, but at least I know your head is on straight

[18:59:11]

|Torg|:

DGnome: its on the first page of the wiki

[18:59:33]

NSVOE:

25

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clever:

I am 21.260999 years old. (I'll be 22 in 38wks 4days 10hrs 1min 51secs.)

[19:00:06]

DGnome:

|Torg|: thanks

[19:00:38]

PatrickDK:

25? no wonder you can't take any suggestions we give you

[19:00:56]

NSVOE:

i was takeing them

[19:01:25]

NSVOE:

i was discussing them

[19:03:01]

clever:

i ran my myth system on a framegrabber for months

[19:03:11]

Hilikus:

this is starting to look like a bug

[19:03:16]

clever:

and im still thinking about fixing the framegrabber to work alongside the pvr150

[19:03:31]

Hilikus:

RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file ()

[19:03:37]

clever:

i think id have to rebuild both sets of drivers

[19:03:46]

iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: Have you perchance changed the hostname recently?

[19:04:09]

Hilikus:

i upgraded my distro, but the hostname is still the same, and on mythbackend its still localhost

[19:04:37]

iamlindoro_:

Ah, ok. That's all common w/ a hostname change, but I expect it's something similar/related

[19:04:57]

directhex:

PatrickDK, oi, i'm 24

[19:05:33]

Hilikus:

but i can still watch tv, its just that sometimes (specially when trying to open the guide) it freezes for like 20secs

[19:05:51]

Hilikus:

so its not that its not finding the backend or something like that

[19:05:55]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, that *really* sounds like a database value somewhere with the wrong hostname or IP

[19:06:17]

iamlindoro_:

I know I've heard these exact issues before, and that it was soemthing along those lines, just can't recall exactly which value

[19:06:27]

Hilikus:

i remember there was a way to check the database, what was it again+??

[19:06:49]

justinh:

mysqlcheck

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, but that won't help with wrong data, just corrupt

[19:07:11]

Hilikus:

justinh no, there was a script in myth

[19:07:14]

iamlindoro_:

optimize_mythdb.pl

[19:07:17]

Hilikus:

oh i c

[19:07:23]

iamlindoro_:

which does the same as what justinh suggested, really

[19:09:03]

justinh:

btw if anybody here wants to age faster, stick around long enough

[19:09:25]

** iamlindoro_ plucks a grey hair and names it NSVOE **

[19:09:33]

NSVOE:

and the same person that gave me tripple hybrid ghosting ( is what i call it i don't really know what he did ) said he would reset the ops tom and i'm staying in here till then and logging the convo for him

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[19:10:03]

EvilGuru:

Did anyone understand that?

[19:10:06]

iamlindoro_:

What the fuck?

[19:10:12]

justinh:

I don't know cockspeak, sorry

[19:10:12]

DGnome:

eh?

[19:10:48]

justinh:

I think at worst, a freenode operator humoured him

[19:11:30]

Hilikus:

but seriously, where are the ops of this channel?

[19:11:35]

Gershwin:

ya never know, the hump might actually be a real go-getter and end up w/a workable product

[19:11:46]

iamlindoro_:

They're here... they're allllways watching...

[19:11:49]

justinh:

they're around :)

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EvilGuru:

" i'm staying in here till then and logging the convo for him" — his stakeout lasted all of 1 minute

[19:12:00]

fish_:

hi

[19:12:20]

iamlindoro_:

I really wanna get some of that sweet triple hybrid ghosting

[19:12:31]

justinh:

EvilGuru: he has special gobbledygook thingies that let him log while not being here

[19:12:44]

iamlindoro_:

I have that too!

[19:12:52]

justinh:

uhhhh, well, or maybe he's just 'special'

[19:12:53]

iamlindoro_:

I call it "firefox and a link to mythtv.beirdo.ca!"

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Gershwin:

i double dog dare you to get the coveted triple hybrid ghosting

[19:13:30]

** justinh sets quadruple hybrid ghosties **

[19:13:36]

iamlindoro_:

No take backs!

[19:13:43]

justinh:

see, I can make stuff up too ;)

[19:13:43]

|Torg|:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2008-06-24

[19:14:16]

|Torg|:

but I use 8vsb not qhg :P

[19:14:19]

fish_:

simple question: which linux dvb-s2 card should i buy? there are 'many' supported cards, so which should i choose? or maybe there is a driver which i should _not_ use because nobody cares about that code or something like that..

[19:14:36]

iamlindoro_:

fish_: strictly speaking there a *0* supported cards

[19:14:44]

justinh:

fish_: what he said ^^^

[19:14:46]

iamlindoro_:

er there are

[19:15:23]

fish_:

iamlindoro_: ah crap, does everyone today thinks i'm stupid?! i guess you know what i mean...

[19:15:27]

justinh:

there's no API for dvb-s2 yet AFAIK, and in any case mythtv doesn't support it properly

[19:15:38]

iamlindoro_:

fish_: ^^^ what he said

[19:16:24]

justinh:

last I heard (and I like to hope I'm wrong), the devs were having a fight over how the api should be done – and thus it hasn't been done

[19:16:37]

fish_:

ah okay, sorry

[19:16:39]

iamlindoro_:

Nobody thinks you're stupid-- all the stupid in the room vanished about ten minutes ago

[19:16:52]

Hilikus:

i did an extended check on mythweb on the DB and everything is ok

[19:17:28]

iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: not surprising, really, I think the problem is more "wrong data" than anything else

[19:17:29]

justinh:

it's been made to 'kinda' work with some cards in a limited fashion & mythtv can allegedly be patched to gain *some* functionality

[19:17:55]

fish_:

well, to be honest, i don't really care about mythtv atm ;), i'm looking for THE dvb-s2 card which has the "best" drivers

[19:18:11]

iamlindoro_:

fish_: Regarding which one is closest to being kinda-correct, the folks in #linuxtv might have a better sense of that, but I keep hearing about people with the TechnoTrend card

[19:18:13]

justinh:

fish_: try #linuxtv then

[19:18:19]

fish_:

whatever that means ;) even if that means nearly everthing is fuckup up *g*

[19:18:20]

Hilikus:

iamlindoro im gonna check the values then. im guessing it should be empty since the error says Could not connect to server "" @ port -1, its not like it has a wrong hostname

[19:18:35]

fish_:

justinh: ah, okay, thats worth a try, thanks

[19:18:51]

justinh:

Hilikus: you do know that IP addresses are what you put into mythtv-setup & mythfrontend, right – not hostnames...

[19:19:10]

justinh:

but settings are stored per hostname in most instances

[19:19:16]

justinh:

go figure ;)

[19:19:38]

Hilikus:

mmmm, im not sure, i might actually have hostnames. im gonna check that cause i didnt know what you just said

[19:19:42]

justinh:

fish_: the linuxtv.org mailing lists & their wiki are usually the 1st port of call

[19:20:05]

justinh:

the wiki, being user-edited is hardly *the* most up to date info though ;)

[19:20:25]

justinh:

the driver devs are usually busy er.. dev'ing drivers n stuff

[19:21:48]

jduggan:

damn the devs for dev'ing

[19:23:16]

Hilikus:

iamlindoro i dont know if this is related but the previous message before could nto connect to server "" is adding: mazinger as a remote file transfer. mazinger is the local hostname, so it seems it DOES have a valid host name but then tries to connect to ""

[19:23:56]

Ace2016_:

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[19:24:04]

Ace2016_:

i can't watch tv and my recordings are gone!

[19:24:07]

Ace2016_:

what do i do?

[19:24:33]

iamlindoro_:

change your hostname back to iloveponiez?

[19:25:20]

Dagmar:

...and stop asking us to spoon-feed you everything.

[19:26:11]

iamlindoro_:

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

[19:26:30]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.khaaan.com/

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Ace2016_:

:'(

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Hilikus:

ok, i think i gound an inconsistency due to the distro upgrade

[19:28:59]

Hilikus:

how do i access BackendServerIP?

[19:29:08]

Hilikus:

thats in the mythbackend config proly right?

[19:29:22]

iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: mythtv-setup, General, page one

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** justinh speeds up Cameo – Word Up .. to 135 BPM for shits & giggles. hahahahahaha **

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Hilikus:

on the DB it says data: 127.0.0.1 and hostname: mazinger but since the upgrade mazinger resolves to 127.0.1.1

[19:30:59]

iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: you could edit you /etc/hosts to match

[19:31:02]

iamlindoro_:

er your

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whoDat_:

now these playback rules really have me confused

[19:31:46]

Hilikus:

well thats the problem, in gutsy localhost and mazinger resolved to 127.0.0.1 but in hardy they separated them

[19:32:10]

Ace2016_:

i still can't watch tv :(

[19:32:12]

Hilikus:

and im guessing they had a reason so i dont want to play with that

[19:32:17]

Ace2016_:

but i can tune and add channels

[19:32:25]

iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: It shouldn't hurt to re-integrate them

[19:32:47]

Ace2016_:

and my media library is gone, the video that was there no longer exists

[19:32:49]

iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: 127.0.0.1 localhost mazinger

[19:32:51]

iamlindoro_:

should be fine

[19:33:45]

Hilikus:

yes, thats exactly what i had in gutsy. but after the upgrade its different, you dont think i would break something if i put it back to what it was in gutsy?

[19:33:59]

Ace2016_:

the whole thing hard locked and i had to reset it

[19:34:01]

iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: nope, I have Hardy machines set up exactly like that

[19:34:06]

Ace2016_:

and now no more media library :(

[19:34:16]

Hilikus:

Ace2016_ are they gone from mythtv or from the hard drive?

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iamlindoro_:

Ace2016_: oh for god's sake, just repair your database

[19:34:32]

Ace2016_:

repair the database?

[19:34:37]

Ace2016_:

it needs repairing?

[19:34:44]

Hilikus:

that happens to me too because my pvr partition doesnt mount

[19:34:46]

Ace2016_:

can't mythtv repair it?

[19:34:50]

iamlindoro_:

Is anyone else annoyed when their suggestions are restated to them in the form of a question?

[19:34:58]

Ace2016_:

its mounted and i looked, there are files in tehre

[19:34:59]

Ace2016_:

there*

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Hilikus:

ok so its jus a DB issue probably

[19:35:12]

iamlindoro_:

find optimize_mythdb.pl. run it.

[19:35:22]

Ace2016_:

ok

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Hilikus:

you can run it from mythweb

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Hilikus:

if you have 0.21

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Ace2016_:

i didn't set that up

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Hilikus:

oh ok

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Ace2016_:

yay it worked, i thought i would miss my recording there

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fish_:

justinh: yeah, i'v read the wiki about the supported cards, but it don't find any sugesstions

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Ace2016_:

it crashed in the middle of my recording :(

[20:08:23]

Ace2016_:

oh no main it could be the graphics card i just added today or the cpu

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Hilikus:

iamlindoro i changed hosts to what i had. is it possible that something changed in the way the programs info is stored in the db and the new version of myth has problem with programs that were added to the db by the previous version??

[20:12:49]

Hilikus:

forgot to say, changing hosts didnt fix it

[20:13:26]

Hilikus:

im thinking about the programs info because everything works fine until i open the guide

[20:15:34]

iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: When Myth ran mythtv-setup or mythbackend the first time with the new version, it automatically updates the DB schema, so it *should* be okay from that perspective

[20:16:05]

Hilikus:

:S

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Hilikus:

is there a way to clean the programs info?

[20:19:54]

Anduin:

Hilikus: Yes, though the data there is likely not a problem source.

[20:20:55]

Hilikus:

damnit, even after changing hosts to what it was before im getting Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

[20:21:22]

Ace2016_:

na the system is constantly freezing and dying

[20:21:22]

Hilikus:

dont know if that is related but it seems that error appears in the log only when i try to see the guide, which is when the controls stop responding

[20:21:48]

Anduin:

Hilikus: so Watch Recordings and Live TV work fine?

[20:22:11]

Hilikus:

yes, if i watch live tv its all fine, until i open the guide

[20:22:43]

Hilikus:

and if i watch a recording and open the guide its ok too

[20:22:53]

Hilikus:

its only when watching live tv and going to the guide

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Hilikus:

any ideas?

[20:27:20]

clever:

Hilikus: the recordings have a hostname that they belong to

[20:27:32]

clever:

if you rename that host then mythtv cant find what host they belong to

[20:27:41]

clever:

which could lead to it trying to connect on port -1

[20:28:04]

clever:

but any new recordings you make after the change will be owned by the new hostname

[20:28:29]

Hilikus:

but like i said, i AM able to watch tv, recordings, live tv, everything, even when teh controls stop responding in the guide, the little square still shows the show fine and the sound is fine too

[20:28:53]

Hilikus:

the problem is the controls dont respond, its not watching tv

[20:28:57]

clever:

ah

[20:29:10]

clever:

the lags i had in the guide was a horidly fragmented program table in mysql

[20:29:14]

clever:

causing the querys to take too long

[20:29:28]

clever:

so if i scrolled any it would take forever to get more guide data

[20:29:34]

Hilikus:

thats what im guessing, how do i clear the programs info?

[20:29:45]

Hilikus:

or how did you fix that

[20:29:47]

clever:

theres a perl script to resort the data without clearing it

[20:30:18]

clever:

optimize_mythdb.pl

[20:30:26]

Anduin:

Hilikus: program info is retrieved from the DB, your error is in RemoteFile, could be icon fetching (would be nice if the URL were printed with that error)

[20:31:13]

Hilikus:

Anduin but if it were the icon, why would it be ok when i open the guide while watching a recording?

[20:31:31]

Hilikus:

when you do it from a recording theres no little square with the video

[20:31:38]

Hilikus:

the guide takes the whole screen

[20:31:52]

Anduin:

Hilikus: That just means you don't have the embed setting turned on

[20:32:23]

Hilikus:

i do, when im watching live tv i do get the small video, but im talking when watching a recording

[20:32:37]

Anduin:

Hilikus: and icon was a guess, no URL = guessing, there shouldn't be much other call for RemoteFile in that screen though.

[20:33:45]

clever:

i just ran the optimize script and it cleared out alot of fragmented files

[20:35:23]

hti_pro:

optimize script????

[20:35:40]

Hilikus:

i just disabled icons from the guide and it still freezes

[20:35:41]

clever:

24 17:30:17 < clever> optimize_mythdb.pl

[20:35:50]

clever:

hti_pro: that one i mentioned 5mins ago:P

[20:36:02]

clever:

ive now got every db file under 100 fragments

[20:36:18]

hti_pro:

sorry i just really got here, is that something that should be run often like a cron job?

[20:36:24]

Hilikus:

does the script report that back to youL

[20:36:37]

clever:

Hilikus: no, i made another program using the filefrag prog

[20:36:47]

clever:

to look at the fragmentation of the db files directly

[20:36:52]

clever:

alias ffcmd='find -mount -type f -print0|xargs -0 filefrag |grep per|sort -nk2 -t:|tail'

[20:37:08]

clever:

that will make a 'ffcmd' function in bash which can be used to see how fragmented the files in the cwd are

[20:37:23]

clever:

the filefrag program itself needs root

[20:37:32]

clever:

alias ffcmd='find -mount -type f -print0|xargs -0 sudo filefrag |grep per|sort -nk2 -t:|tail'

[20:37:39]

clever:

would give it root if sudo worked

[20:38:12]

Ace2016_:

finally, i added a fan

[20:38:17]

clever:

./romdb.MYI: 99 extents found, perfection would be 1 extent

[20:38:45]

hti_pro:

clever: thanks a million for that alias, that is one of the most useful commands I've found so far

[20:39:09]

clever:

it works best on ext2/3

[20:39:31]

clever:

on fat32 there is no sense of 'perfection' for the fragments so it doesnt work right

[20:39:32]

hti_pro:

how does it do on xfs

[20:39:34]

clever:

needs a grep removed

[20:39:39]

hti_pro:

or have you tested that

[20:39:42]

clever:

hti_pro: dont know how xfs works internaly

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Hilikus:

clever but where do i run that?

[20:39:54]

clever:

just run filefrag on a bunch of files

[20:40:02]

clever:

Hilikus: in a terminal

[20:40:10]

Hilikus:

i mean, on which folder

[20:40:10]

hti_pro:

im tryin it out now, its takin a minute but it is a big disk

[20:40:23]

hti_pro:

seems to do ok on xfs for me

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clever:

Hilikus: in the mythtv database folder, if you wanted to see the fragmentation of the db

[20:41:08]

clever:

cd /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg

[20:41:08]

clever:

maybe

[20:41:10]

hti_pro:

is there a defrag program for xfs or ext3, I have heard it is unnecessary on ext3 but my xfs fs found 7717 extents

[20:41:17]

Hilikus:

i want to remove all the programs info, how do i clear that?

[20:41:23]

clever:

hti_pro: ext3 doesnt have defrag

[20:41:29]

clever:

but ext2 does(offline)

[20:41:30]

hti_pro:

i didn't think so

[20:41:37]

clever:

you would have to downgrade it to ext2 then umount and defrag

[20:41:44]

clever:

but i have another method which also works

[20:41:52]

clever:

copy the file to another name

[20:41:56]

hti_pro:

there is a command that removes the journal

[20:42:02]

clever:

by chance you may get less fragments

[20:42:03]

hti_pro:

that is the only diff right?

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clever:

then just replace the original

[20:42:33]

clever:

the db optimize script will basicaly do that as it copys and resorts the tables

[20:42:50]

hti_pro:

i could write a script to offline the ext2 partition, remove the journal, defrag, then recreate the journal

[20:42:52]

JohnMahowald:

Supposedly ext4 will have defrag

[20:42:59]

clever:

mysql will internaly copy the table to a new set of files(posibly getting less fragments) then replace the original

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clever:

hti_pro: i find it simpler to just copy the files within the fs

[20:43:20]

clever:

doesnt need to umount

[20:43:30]

clever:

cp foo foo.temp;mv foo.temp foo

[20:43:35]

Hilikus:

any idea? i want to grab the guide's info from scratch

[20:43:37]

hti_pro:

right, unmount is bad if it is your myth data partition and your recording

[20:43:47]

clever:

it wont perfectly defrag it but it will have a chance of solving it

[20:43:53]

iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: just do mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

[20:43:59]

Hilikus:

ok, thanks

[20:44:08]

clever:

hti_pro: its worse for me, my recording partition is also the root for some systems

[20:44:10]

Hilikus:

no wait, i dont use mythfilldatabase

[20:44:16]

clever:

id have to shut several boxes down to umount

[20:44:16]

hti_pro:

thanks clever: very useful info

[20:44:39]

hti_pro:

that would definitely suck, well gotta go, I'll be back on later probably

[20:44:42]

hti_pro:

you guys have fun

[20:44:46]

Hilikus:

i mean, i do use it, but to grab the info from an external file

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clever:

http://pastebin.com/d4330c0da , this shows me testing my recordings for fragmentation

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clever:

a realy simple way to 'defrag' a recording is to run a lossless transcode on them, and thats a good time to throw in some cutlists

[20:45:37]

hti_pro:

yeah i just tested my myth data partition, thats the one with 7717 extents

[20:46:00]

clever:

ext2/3 have a limit for the number of extents you can have in a row

[20:46:20]

clever:

which is how filefrag works out the 'perfection' for the min fragments you can posibly have

[20:46:50]

clever:

but fat32 has no limit for how big of an extent you can have

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clever:

ext2/3 is seperated into block groups

[20:48:04]

clever:

every blockgroup has a inode table and a bitmap of used blocks in the group

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clever:

a file which is 1.2 blockgroups large must be fragmented into 2 peices atleast

[20:49:00]

clever:

1004_20080624171200.mpg: 2727 extents found, perfection would be 3 extents

[20:49:19]

clever:

that recording would under perfect conditions cover 3 extents

[20:49:21]

Ace2016_:

FFS It froze again!!!

[20:49:36]

clever:

Ace2016_: what froze?

[20:49:52]

Hilikus:

iamlindoro that tries to fill it up again, i want to JUST remove whats there. is that possible?

[20:49:57]

EvilGuru:

I just let xfs_fsr run an hour or so every night

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clever:

1045_20080506195800.nuv.png: 1 extent found

[20:50:33]

Ace2016_:

mce

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Hilikus:

EvilGuru can you run that on a mounted FS?

[20:51:06]

EvilGuru:

Hilikus: Yep

[20:51:18]

iamlindoro_:

Ace2016_: for the last time, MCE = Windows Media Center Edition

[20:51:29]

iamlindoro_:

just say "My computer," or "My HTPC"

[20:51:34]

EvilGuru:

Well, so long as your FS is XFS

[20:51:43]

Hilikus:

of course...

[20:52:03]

clever:

like with online ext3 resizing

[20:52:11]

clever:

you need support for the fs changes in the kernel

[20:52:28]

EvilGuru:

I doubt it is anything XFS specific

[20:52:32]

clever:

so the mounted fs can cooperate with the defrag

[20:52:45]

Ace2016_:

no linux media center

[20:52:46]

EvilGuru:

Chances are it just uses truncate, copy and mv to do its dirty work

[20:52:49]

Ace2016_:

mythbuntu

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clever:

EvilGuru: thats what i do on ext3 with cp and mv:P

[20:53:07]

Ace2016_:

complete hardware lockup, not even numlock worked :(

[20:53:10]

EvilGuru:

Create a new file, truncate it to the size of the one you want to defrag, copy the file to the new one, mv

[20:53:11]

Ace2016_:

totally screwed

[20:53:11]

clever:

which isnt perfect

[20:53:22]

EvilGuru:

clever: As ext is not perfect

[20:53:31]

clever:

a proper method is to look over the entire fs

[20:53:37]

Ace2016_:

i put the old graphics card in, if it is the graphics card, that seller is going to get negative feedback the second the 7 days are up

[20:53:38]

clever:

and pick proper places to put the fragments

[20:53:44]

clever:

to actualy defrag it

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EvilGuru:

clever: I'll agree it is a better method, but fragmentation is not such a problem with Linux file systems as it is with Windows

[20:54:12]

clever:

which means controling where your writes go and posibly finding whats in the way

[20:54:27]

clever:

yeah the reserved disk space limit in linux helps

[20:54:39]

clever:

if 10gig is allways free you have a much better chance of having large free gaps

[20:54:45]

clever:

to reduce frag in the first place

[20:54:54]

EvilGuru:

A defragmenter as it exists in 9x is not suitable for the real world anyway

[20:55:07]

EvilGuru:

Considering that it goes nuts as soon as someone writes to a file

[20:55:17]

clever:

thats because the kernel isnt cooperating

[20:55:22]

clever:

it isnt locking the files

[20:55:36]

clever:

so if you write with another prog it has to start all over because it has no idea what you did

[20:55:56]

clever:

i made a lvm defrag program

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EvilGuru:

I think the Windows 2k/XP defragmenter can handle such a scenario a lot better

[20:56:13]

clever:

with all the lvresize'ing i did and pvmoving my lv's got insanely fragmented

[20:56:19]

clever:

1000 peices for a single block device

[20:56:25]

clever:

then more fragments within the fs under that

[20:56:52]

neztiti:

GreyFoxx: hi m8

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clever:

i was able to look at the metadata backup and figure out how it stores the data on disk

[20:57:17]

clever:

and generate a pvmove to merge 2 fragments(or release a needed chunk)

[20:57:43]

neztiti:

if u dont help me or another one here cant help me i will kill my self

[20:58:32]

neztiti:

i have nvidia card and i watch on my tv black and white – its ntsc system not pal

[21:00:18]

Anduin:

neztiti: are you letting it auto detect?

[21:01:55]

neztiti:

yes

[21:02:22]

neztiti:

Anduin: yes

[21:02:46]

neztiti:

Anduin: i changed 2 pal on mythtv

[21:03:00]

Anduin:

neztiti: try TVOutFormat "SVIDEO" (assuming s-video)

[21:03:08]

** Ace2016_ cries **

[21:03:15]

Ace2016_:

i missed the start :(

[21:03:16]

neztiti:

its svideo man

[21:03:22]

Ace2016_:

now it won't even tune :(

[21:03:24]

Ace2016_:

i hate it

[21:03:44]

Ace2016_:

and yes i ran the optimise database thing and the partitions are mounted fine

[21:05:16]

Ace2016_:

well lets see what happens with my old graphics card, lets see if its stable

[21:07:53]

Hilikus:

so theres no way to just delete all the programs info without refilling (which is what --refresh-all does, it removes them but tries to grab them)

[21:08:11]

Hilikus:

i just want to purge my guide

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Anduin:

Hilikus: You can truncate the table

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Hilikus:

it's all in a single table?

[21:10:45]

Anduin:

not entirely, but largely

[21:11:35]

Anduin:

'program' is the table with actual schedule information

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Hilikus:

is it the "program" table?

[21:11:44]

Hilikus:

ok

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Anduin:

I will be surprised if it fixes things :)

[21:12:18]

Hilikus:

yah, i dont think its that eithre

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Hilikus:

damnit, it starter recording mythbusters, so i cant test it with livetv which was the problem

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Anduin:

Hilikus: may want to run the frontend with -v file or -v most, myth uses the settings table for name resolution so that is the other place to check

[21:21:51]

Hilikus:

ok, ill try that

[21:21:53]

Hilikus:

thanks

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javatexan:

is there anything better than GHOST for linux? Something free...I need to make an image of my machine before I screw it up....I am pretty sure that this will definitely screw it up.

[21:22:21]

justinh:

dd

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javatexan:

dd?

[21:22:50]

justinh:

man dd

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: See what I mean about having you answred turned into a question?

[21:23:14]

iamlindoro_:

er your answer

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javatexan:

lol...sorry...thought it was a mispelling.... :)

[21:24:12]

justinh:

if only I'd tidied up around here, I'd still be able to find my CLUEBAT

[21:24:17]

javatexan:

thought dd had gone the way of the dodo

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jarle:

javatexan: If you are looking for a more permanent backup system I can highly recommend rsnapshot

[21:24:39]

justinh:

I highly recommend using google you fucking lazy arse

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hti_pro:

need some help, just changed my theme to titivilus or whatever it is called, now my menu does not show up. How can I change it back without being able to access the frontend

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iamlindoro_:

mythfrontend -O Theme=anotherthemename

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iamlindoro_:

where anotherthemename = blootube-wide, GANT, etc.

[21:36:55]

hti_pro:

thats wierd all i get is the background. has this ever happened to you

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iamlindoro_:

did you *also* change to the opengl menu renderer?

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hti_pro:

you know what i think i did

[21:37:33]

iamlindoro_:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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hti_pro:

ok, thought my card would do it but i guess not

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tanstaafl32:

greets. trying to get an external channel changer to work for a dct-25xx...i have the binaries in /user/local/bin, but when i try to test it reports "command not found." any ideas why?

[21:38:42]

iamlindoro_:

tanstaafl32: well, "usr" is spelled without an e in linux

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hti_pro:

type ' commandname'which

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iamlindoro_:

so if you *did* put in in "/user/local/bin" then it will never work

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hti_pro:

... i mean 'which commandname' if it comes back with nothing it is as iamlindoro said

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iamlindoro_:

on account of that not being in your path

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tanstaafl32:

sorry about the usr/user thing...typo here in irc

[21:40:45]

tanstaafl32:

no, it is right there: ls chan*

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hti_pro:

check your path variable 'echo $PATH' make sure /usr/local/bin is in there

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iamlindoro_:

also if it's a script it needs to be chmod'ed executable

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tanstaafl32:

ah...what is the switch for that?

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hti_pro:

+x

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iamlindoro_:

chmod +x mychannelchangieedoodad

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tanstaafl32:

ok...great THX! I bet that's it

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hti_pro:

tried to change just the ThemePainter but it still didn't show menus, had to change Theme and Painter

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hti_pro:

what is the advantage to Pre-scaling more than one theme??

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GreyFoxx:

If you change themese and or resolutions a lot

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GreyFoxx:

like if I run myth in a 720x480 window on my desktop 1 minute, and later fullscreen

[22:06:08]

GreyFoxx:

I keep 2 sets of prescaled stuff around

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hti_pro:

ok so if i only use one theme im safe to set it to only 1

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GreyFoxx:

it defaults to 1

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GreyFoxx:

so it can be assumed to be a safe settingv

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hti_pro:

oh mine was 2 and i dont remember messin with it, may have been the kids. I'll have to set the settings pin

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Nostahl:

hi all

[22:11:40]

Nostahl:

i have just aquired a usb ir receiver and an hp remote that goes togeather

[22:11:45]

Nostahl:

what is involved in getting it working

[22:12:17]

tank-man:

first step is looking at the lirc web page

[22:13:13]

Nostahl:

link?

[22:13:17]

Nostahl:

what is lirc

[22:14:45]

Dagmar:

Good lord

[22:14:51]

Dagmar:

Let's try that again

[22:15:11]

Dagmar:

The first step is to read the MythTV Install documentation, which is linked right from the top of the MythTV website

[22:15:33]

Nostahl:

i figured it out linux infared remote control heh

[22:17:43]

iamlindoro:

s/figured it out/googled it/

[22:18:19]

iamlindoro:

Not that we don't appreciate the googling around here

[22:19:44]

Nostahl:

here's a quick question.. are there proprietary express cards?

[22:19:54]

Nostahl:

ie only an hp can use an hp tunner card?

[22:20:00]

directhex:

no

[22:20:17]

Nostahl:

cause the light dosnt even light up when i stick it in my toshiba

[22:20:19]

directhex:

well, in rare cases, there is id locking for minipci wifi cards

[22:20:19]

iamlindoro:

The only HP expresscard tuner I know of is just a rebranded Hauppauge HVR-1500

[22:20:49]

Dagmar:

You *sure* your Toshiba has an expresscard slot?

[22:21:00]

Nostahl:

no

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Nostahl:

its a toshiba a135 s7404

[22:21:09]

Dagmar:

So, it might be a PCMCIA card slot.

[22:21:42]

Nostahl:

so might have to get a express card pcmcia adapter then eh

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Dagmar:

rofl

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iamlindoro:

Nostahl: you're the one who works for the geek squad, right?

[22:22:50]

Nostahl:

seen some usb to pcmcia and express adapters on newegg while back

[22:23:25]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Sounds like a safe guess to me

[22:23:51]

clever:

Dagmar: it could also be a cardbus slot:P

[22:24:06]

clever:

pcmcia is the older one(no icq)

[22:24:16]

Dagmar:

clever: You really don't want to try to go toe-to-toe with me on this

[22:24:20]

clever:

cardbus is an addition to pcmcia(makes it more like pci and adds irq)

[22:24:26]

clever:

expresscard is more of a pciE

[22:24:51]

clever:

ive had problems with a cardbus device acting like a pcicmia one before, and moded the drives to force it to work

[22:24:58]

iamlindoro:

http://reviews.ebay.com/Toshiba-Satellite-A13 . . . 000004896328

[22:25:05]

iamlindoro:

seems it's PCMCIA type i/ii

[22:25:57]

Dagmar:

clever: That's because you smoke too much pot.

[22:26:00]

clever:

the bios didnt lable the pciirq for the cardbus interface

[22:26:24]

clever:

so the driver assumed it was a pcmcia interface

[22:26:33]

Dagmar:

Dude, fucking cardbus IS pcmcia, okay

[22:26:35]

clever:

which meant the wifi driver refused to work

[22:26:35]

Dagmar:

Just stop now.

[22:26:50]

clever:

cardbus i feel is an extension to pcmcia

[22:27:07]

Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card

[22:27:10]

clever:

and cardbus interfaces are backward compatible(can take pcmcia cards)

[22:27:18]

Dagmar:

"CardBus are PCMCIA 5.0 or later (JEIDA 4.2 or later) 32-bit PCMCIA devices,"

[22:27:31]

clever:

yeah

[22:27:36]

clever:

16bit and 32bit pcmcia cards

[22:27:47]

clever:

i was just calling the 32bit versions 'cardbus'

[22:28:05]

clever:

the 32bit ones also have an irq line i beleive

[22:28:13]

iamlindoro:

It never fails to amuse me how far people will go to avoid admitting to being wrong

[22:28:24]

Dagmar:

So, none of this has a damn thing to do with the fact that IT'S NOT AN EXPRESS CARD SLOT.

[22:28:26]

clever:

i may be using the wrong name:P

[22:28:41]

Dagmar:

...and you're running your mouth in front of at least one person who has dealt with over 100 laptops at least

[22:28:42]

clever:

correct, but its just another posibility if it isnt expresscard

[22:28:50]

Dagmar:

No, it's not "anotehr possibility"

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Dagmar:

It's pretty much a given that everything after 1997 has a PCMCIA slot that's cardbus capable

[22:29:28]

Dagmar:

There's no "only cardbus" slots

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clever:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card#CardBus

[22:29:33]

Dagmar:

You sound dumb as hell for saying that.

[22:30:17]

clever:

the 32bit pcmcia slots in my toughbook laptop didnt have the proper irq routing/maping info(from the bios)

[22:30:28]

clever:

so the driver fell back to polling them and only using it in 16bit mode

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Nostahl:

looks like around 24 dollars newegg price for express to pcmcia

[22:31:25]

Nostahl:

cant seem to find any express 2 usb options

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iamlindoro:

That's because USB isn't remotely close to enough bandwidth for proper Expresscard

[22:32:22]

Nostahl:

i've seen pcmcia to usb options

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iamlindoro:

Nostahl: you *do* work at the Geek Squad, right?

[22:32:41]

clever:

but not usb->pcmcia

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Nostahl:

but oh well that's not the question i was having heh

[22:32:55]

Nostahl:

my question was about remotes

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clever:

i have seen expresscard->pcie addapters

[22:33:31]

clever:

so you could put a pcie card in a laptop

[22:33:35]

clever:

http://www.magma.com/products/pciexpress/expressbox1/index.html

[22:34:07]

iamlindoro:

Ah yes, here we are, I'll just answer my own question from the logs

[22:34:10]

iamlindoro:

"[21:49:54] Nostahl: i work at geek squad :)"

[22:34:19]

iamlindoro:

[21:50:25] Nostahl: and my precinct is very good :)

[22:34:28]

iamlindoro:

[21:50:39] Nostahl: im employee of the month for a few more days heh

[22:34:31]

iamlindoro:

Hooray

[22:34:35]

Dagmar:

clever: That would be because expresscard IS just pci-e in a form-factor that can be put into a laptop for hot plugging

[22:34:42]

clever:

Dagmar: yep

[22:34:45]

Dagmar:

We are not just voices in your head, man.

[22:34:50]

Nostahl:

yep iamlindoro

[22:35:19]

clever:

one of the more wicked things though is an entire rack mounted thing of 4 pcie slots

[22:35:26]

clever:

on a single cord to a single pcie slot

[22:36:01]

clever:

so you could in theory stuff a ton of pcie capture cards into a server(over 16 maybe) and record a ton

[22:36:11]

clever:

and if you have multirec you might get 8–16 channels out of each tuner:P

[22:36:26]

clever:

maybe record the entire cable line on every channel!

[22:37:10]

clever:

http://www.magma.com/products/pciexpress/expressbox7/index.html 7 pcie slots on 1 box/cord

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Nostahl:

you could finnaly record the qvc channel 24/7

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clever:

id think recording a single channel 24/7 would just need 1 dedicated tuner

[22:38:18]

Nostahl:

qvc takes up alot of channels on my package i use to have

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clever:

ahhh

[22:38:28]

clever:

a grouping of channels

[22:38:36]

Nostahl:

basic cable here had a bunch of shopping channels wasting space

[22:38:47]

clever:

depends on how many multiplexe's it is(if its even that type of digital)

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Nostahl:

k dmesg pulled up my remote as phillips media center remote

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hti_pro:

anyone know a good channel for wifi support in linux

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DarkD:

Hi im trying to compile myth 21. I get the following error

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DarkD:

cc1: warning: -funit-at-a-time is required for inlining of functions that are only called once

[22:52:52]

DarkD:

ERROR! You must have FreeType installed to compile MythTV.

[22:52:52]

Nostahl:

holy crap that was easy!

[22:52:54]

Nostahl:

the remote is working

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hti_pro:

and how to search the channel listings

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DarkD:

freetype and freetype-devel ar both install

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DarkD:

runnign Fedora 9 i386

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hti_pro:

check the ./configure file and see if there is a switch to tell it where freetype is located, maybe it is looking in the wrong place

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Nostahl:

this is crazy heh

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hti_pro:

anyone know a way to increase the responsiveness of the remote

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hti_pro:

there is about a 1–2 second delay

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DarkD:

which remote?

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hti_pro:

hauppauge, with a pvr usb2 mpeg card

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DarkD:

oh

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hti_pro:

i upgraded the computer and it took it from about a 2–3 second delay to closer to 1 sec delay

[22:57:33]

DarkD:

haupagge remote is slow..

[22:57:44]

DarkD:

i have liek 3 happague remotes.. LOL

[22:57:48]

DarkD:

i find them all slow

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hti_pro:

that figures, all my hardware sucks

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DarkD:

i also have the ms usb .. they are NICE

[22:58:10]

DarkD:

the happauge encoders are awsome

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hti_pro:

i guess for $30 bucks for card + remote i can't complain

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hti_pro:

yeah mine uses like 0.3 cpu

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DarkD:

they are awsome :)

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hti_pro:

wish i could find more for that price, they are going for at least 100 on ebay used'

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DarkD:

yeh

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DarkD:

mines was 100

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DarkD:

to bad that sd tv is turning ussless nwo :'(

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Nostahl:

any of you guys running mini-itx boxes

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DarkD:

i wish :(

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DarkD:

i want one

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hti_pro:

is there a limit to usb tuners, or is just limited by harddrive capabilities

[23:00:54]

hti_pro:

if you have cable sd will be around for at least a couple years i think

[23:01:00]

hti_pro:

2009 at least i know

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clever:

hti_pro: thats next year:P

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Nostahl:

i was looking at a core2duo mini itx system with 4 gigs ddr2 ram pci express slot and mini pci express slot and regular pci slot

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Nostahl:

looked pretty good

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iamlindoro:

SD will be around a lot longer than 2009... you mean analog, and cable companies are required to provide some analog support until 2011

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hti_pro:

thats right i knew it was a few more years

[23:02:19]

DarkD:

iamlindoro: not in canada.. rogers is going around saying the government is forcing them to swich to digital... canada doesnt even have the 2009 mark!

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: Not that big a deal, as analog is horrid horrid horrid

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clever:

yes analog is amazingly horid

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clever:

but i cant capture digital atm so im going to be screwed soon:P

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: yes... but digital is "im not gonna let you use your own hardware" just like cell phones and other corporately forned "standards"... well except antenna

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hti_pro:

hey it is better than nothing, a blank screen can drive a man crazy

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: That's why god made the Hauppauge HD-PVR

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: atsc?

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: no, component capture

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: ahhh :-D

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iamlindoro:

capture HD from your set top box, and they can't encrypt it, tadaaaaaaaa

[23:05:03]

DarkD:

LOL nice....

[23:05:10]

DarkD:

trhen jsut get a blaster...

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iamlindoro:

IR Blaster and receiver built in ;)

[23:05:27]

abqjp:

DarkD: it comes with a blaster

[23:05:41]

DarkD:

but happauge has HORIBLE blaster/ir control.. at least in the capture cards..

[23:05:43]

abqjp:

Blaster does not work in Myth yet, though.

[23:05:45]

DarkD:

anyway

[23:05:47]

DarkD:

http://pastebin.ca/1055385

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DarkD:

anyone wanna take a crack at it

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jduggan:

how does myth interfce with the hd-pvr?

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jduggan:

usb?

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jduggan:

maybe it cant?

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iamlindoro:

jduggan: yes, it is a USB device

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jduggan:

ah k

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DarkD:

jduggan: balster

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DarkD:

jduggan: IR blaster

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jduggan:

i dont know enough about it, im lucky enough to be in europe where satelite/cable HD is generally shit and over the air HD is possible

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jduggan:

+l

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Gumby:

hi all, is there a feature in mythtv that allows me to view the guide by channel category ie:movies, sports etc.

[23:07:44]

jduggan:

speaking of which – any brits here got virgin media HD, or even seen it?

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abqjp:

I get all the major networks OTA in HD. I just use Hauppauge HD-PVR for channels like DiscoveryHD, ScienceHD, etc.

[23:08:30]

Hilikus:

ok, i think i found out the problem that freezes my guide. if i pause live tv and open the guide it doesnt freeze, its only when live tv is still playing. now if a change the playback profile from CPU+ to normal it doesnt happen

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Hilikus:

its something with the video decoder

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abqjp:

Gumby: under "Manage Recording", there is a menu of various "show finding" options.

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hti_pro:

those of us who have to stick with the sd tvs will just have to get a converter and a blaster

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Gumby:

abqjp: I'm not talking about recordings. I am talking about the guide.

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abqjp:

Gumby: Right, but under there is a menu to help you find shows to record.

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hti_pro:

does anybody know how to search the irc channels

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Gumby:

abqjp: maybe I should be more clear. I am curious about something in the guide while watching livetv. Like if I am sitting at home and feel like watching a baseball game but I'm not sure of all the sports channels that might have it on. If I was able to just browse the livetv guide by sports channels then it'd make the task easier

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Gumby:

hti_pro: search them for what?

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Gumby:

hti_pro: normally irc clients have a channel list function somewhere

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DarkD:

hmm wierd.. g++ was not isntalled it gave me a wierd error

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Dagmar:

Gumby: So feel free to talk the TV stations into sorting themselves into categories

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hti_pro:

the names, I am looking for support for wifi cards. Listing the channels takes like 20 minutes cuz there is like a million of them

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hti_pro:

there is a sequence you can type ie. '/msg chanserv.....'

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Gumby:

hti_pro: then do a search for wifi

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hti_pro:

i can't remember though

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Dagmar:

hti_pro: Try the channel run by your distro

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Gumby:

hti_pro: /msg chanserv help

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abqjp:

Gumby: exactly what you are asking for is not available. Best you can do is use the search features under "Manage Recordings". Not convenient, but...

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Gumby:

Dagmar: Was just curious if it was/is possible thats all. Wasnt sure if it was a "feature" I was missing/couldnt find or whether it just wasnt available.

[23:14:03]

Gumby:

Dagmar: I'm also using satellite so the info is there, its just a matter of support.

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abqjp:

Gumby: if you know c++, you could become a Myth contributor and add that feature.

[23:14:27]

Gumby:

abqjp: wish I did. I dont know it well enough to contribute though

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DarkD:

abqjp: i'd help but i need to learn qt first

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Dagmar:

Oh well

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abqjp:

I don't know QT. I just take the code that others have written before me, and "enhance" it.

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DarkD:

abqjp: do you know programming concepts?

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abqjp:

Sure.

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DarkD:

lol

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DarkD:

last thing the developers want are script kiddies :-P

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abqjp:

I wrote most of Myth's support for the HD-PVR. Daniel cleaned it up a bit, but not too much.

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Gershwin:

it sounds like you're motivated and a contributor

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abqjp:

Only because I *really* wanted to be able to use the HD-PVR in Myth!

[23:18:49]

Gershwin:

It sounds like a noble motivation to me

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abqjp:

I did not need to know QT, to do that project.

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abqjp:

I am a c++ programmer for a living, but we don't use QT where I work.

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abqjp:

Anyway. I am outta here.

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Amun:

in my dmesg, the kernel shows its probing my card, but returns a error -22. i have a bttv (bt878) card. are there any fixes for this?

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Dagmar:

Yes. Throwing the card out works a treat.

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Dagmar:

There's also literally tons of data in Google to be found.

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Amun:

dagmar: i searched. nothing

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Dagmar:

Then you're either lying or incompetent.

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Dagmar:

I'm not doing anything about framegrabbers anymore.

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Amun:

thats fine. thanks.

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Amun:

ill take your advice and throw it out

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Amun:

or rather, put it in my windows machine... where it works

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iamlindoro:

Amun: Threatening to use windows doesn't generally do anything to most people in here, as they'd usually rather you go use that ;)

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Amun:

it wasnt a threat. sarcasm at most.

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iamlindoro:

This is as un-evangelistic a channel as it gets, usually

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Amun:

im more pissed off that it doesnt work. damn those bestbuy assholes

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar has a point, though, a framegrabber card is really worthless these days

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Gershwin:

do you think they were being willfully deceptive Amun?

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Amun:

so hauppage paid them to 'top shelf' there items?

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Amun:

you dont believe that do you?

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Gershwin:

...if so, try to talk to the manager, you may get a little something for your trouble (e.g., gift card, discount, etc.)

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Dagmar:

Meh. Just go to one of the many sites for bttv cards where they show you pages and pages of cards until you figure out which one yours is, and then tell the bttv driver the EXACT TUNER TYPE and the problem will go away

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iamlindoro:

If you absolutely *must* get answers about getting it working then #v4l is the channel for that... but for your own sanity I would return the frame grabber and buy a proper hardware encoder, ie an HVR-1600, a PVR-150, etc.

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Dagmar:

Amun: BestBuy are a bunch of fucking morons, man.

[23:35:22]

Dagmar:

For what you probably paid for that in a Best Buy you could almost certainly have just gotten a nice PVR-150 from NewEgg (including shipping)

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Amun:

im just gonna run out and grab a pvr-150. cheap, reliable, easy setup.

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iamlindoro:

that's your best bet

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Gershwin:

Best Buy isn't doing too bad for a 17 billion dollar company w/nearly 5.5% profit margin

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Amun:

it was only 20-some US bucks. cheaper then the pvr-150 ;p

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Dagmar:

Ah okay

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Gershwin:

dagar, how does your company stack up against Best Buy?

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iamlindoro:

And with quality on a linear scale to the price

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Gershwin:

oops, Dagmar...

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Dagmar:

Gershwin: Why does it matter?

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Dagmar:

We make doctors and lawyers here.

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Gershwin:

I just wanted to counter the "fucking morons" remark

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Dagmar:

Then you should maybe go pick on some angry bikers

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Dagmar:

Your odds would be better.

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iamlindoro:

Best Buy *is* staffed by fucking morons... they just happen to do a very good business because the average joe is even more uninformed

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Gershwin:

with something that more accurately portrays them as a retail organization

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iamlindoro:

You don't have to be right, you just have to sound smart enough not to be challenged :)

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Gershwin:

That sounds pretty accurate

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champion__:

can anyone help with a firewire issue?

[23:37:48]

bsdfox:

is it normal to have X use all the cpu that mythfrontend isn't on reasonably fast frontends playing sd content?

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Dagmar:

And yet, they are still staffed by morons

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bsdfox:

I'm getting like 25% mythfrontend 75% X

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bsdfox:

on two different frontends

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Dagmar:

Whether or not they're a retail shop doesn't mean a damn thing

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iamlindoro:

bsdfox: what kind of graphics chipset? If you're using VESA or some non accelerated driver it might be about right... though not good :)

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bsdfox:

nvidia

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking that might be normal for Intel integrated chipsets

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Dagmar:

UseEVents

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bsdfox:

6600gt and fx5200

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Dagmar:

You probably need it

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Ace2016_:

quick question

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Dagmar:

Look up the UseEvents flag in the driver readme and put it in your xorg.conf file

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bsdfox:

ok

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iamlindoro:

bsdfox: yeah, listen to Dagmar, that sounds right

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Ace2016_:

can i use one of those outdoor aerials indoors? say in the closet?

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Dagmar:

Basically it tells the driver to do interrupt-like checks instead of crude polling-like-mad to find out when it's supposed to do something next.

[23:40:07]

Dagmar:

ace: You can, but the reception will kinda suck

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iamlindoro:

If by use you mean prevent from getting any usable amount of signal, then yes

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Dagmar:

You'll jave plenty of room to dry your socks on tho

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Dagmar:

Put it in your attic

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Ace2016_:

outdoor aerial indoors vs indoor aerial, which is better?

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Dagmar:

Altitude is what matters most with those

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Ace2016_:

i could put it in the attic, would that work?

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iamlindoro:

Ace2016_: use common sense, what do YOU think is better?

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iamlindoro:

Do you think people would put up giant post-modern shitfests on their chimney if they could avoid it?

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champion__:

has anyone ever had testlibraw say "Resource temporarily unavailable"

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champion__:

?

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Ace2016_:

the biggest one? or the amplified one? it would depend on whether there is enough of a signal to be amplified by the amplifier in the set-top

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Ace2016_:

version for the dvb-t card to get the signal

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bsdfox:

lol that did it

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bsdfox:

2% X now

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iamlindoro:

bsdfox: nice

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bsdfox:

be nice to keep my room temps down this summer :)

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Ace2016_:

well that was analogue tv, now we are moving to digital, so we can stick it in a loft right?

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Dagmar:

Those are probably just as bad

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iamlindoro:

Ace2016_: A signal being digital versus analog doesn't mean the need for signal strength has diminished

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Dagmar:

FM broadcasts basically need line of sight to the biiiig antenna they're transmitting with

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iamlindoro:

If anything, it's *more* important

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Ace2016_:

argh

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iamlindoro:

To use an indoor antenna with any sort of decent results you need to be very VERY close to the transmitter

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Ace2016_:

thats what i thought =

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Ace2016_:

but the out door aerial indoors seemed like a better idea

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iamlindoro:

Because of the better quality of most outdoor antennas, you might get slightly better results, but you shouldn't expect it to work well

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Dagmar:

Basically, your main problem is just line of sight

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Ace2016_:

same with the satellite

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iamlindoro:

Far moreso with sat

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Dagmar:

It's not as bad as say, little-dish receivers where a particularly robust raincloud can sod*mize your receoption

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iamlindoro:

satellite must be *very* precisely pointed

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Dagmar:

...but it's still a major pain to get an aerial up high enough that it has line of sight on a ground-based transmitter

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Ace2016_:

yea my dvb-s sucks so i'm adding the cheaper dvb-t

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Dagmar:

This is why they make those big red and white things so tall

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Ace2016_:

you mean masts?

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Dagmar:

No, I mean the ridiculously tall antennas

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Ace2016_:

well i have to go to bed now, i'm sleepy

[23:50:26]

Ace2016_:

night all

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Dagmar:

I live in the land of "OMGNOTFLAT" so thery're just all over the place here.

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: lucky you, here in the SF bay area everyone broadcasts from one giant tower and it is wayyyy out of my line of sight

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iamlindoro:

:(

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Dagmar:

You have forty jillion cable channels there

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Dagmar:

Poor you

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iamlindoro:

Heh, true, I make up for it in teh firewirezzz

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champion__:

does mythprime freeze with anyone else?

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DarkD:

any one know if there is driver support for

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DarkD:

usb 1–7: Product: Ultima-LGMTRC-0118d

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iamlindoro:

It'd be easier if you just said what that was

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Dagmar:

Why are you asking us?

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DarkD:

lol sorry..

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Dagmar:

http://www.linux-usb.org/

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DarkD:

its a plextor PVR (atsc)

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iamlindoro:

Sure you don't mean *NTSC*?

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iamlindoro:

As Plextor doesn't make any ATSC devices that I know of

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iamlindoro:

ie, is this a plextor convertx?

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iamlindoro:

(although apparently google thinks they do, so maybe they do ;) )

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: http://www.plextor.com/english/products/PX-HDTV500U.html

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: You should be checking the DVB wiki at linuxtv.org then

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champion__:

anyone have a good link to setting up firewire for stb?

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