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[00:25:38] dustybin: can mythvideo play xvids?
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[00:27:56] GreyFoxx: mythvideo doesnt play anything, it just calls other players
[00:28:03] GreyFoxx: but if you mean the internal player, yes it will
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[00:28:11] dustybin: aye excellent
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[00:33:16] tanstaafl32: greets--anyone got time for a question?
[00:33:24] dustybin: yes
[00:33:57] tanstaafl32: got a new install, pvr-350 that can see video with mplayer, but no livetv and the recording files sit there at 9k or so...
[00:34:34] dustybin: tanstaafl32: first things first
[00:34:37] tanstaafl32: k
[00:34:52] dustybin: first make sure you are using a newish kernel, probably one of the 2.6.24 series
[00:35:10] tanstaafl32: mythbuntu 8.04
[00:35:20] dustybin: ok that should be ok
[00:35:55] dustybin: im unsure how mythbuntu works
[00:36:28] dustybin: i guess there is some kind of setup when you first launch it?
[00:36:29] tanstaafl32: yes...pretty much the same as knoppixmyth from what i saw
[00:36:46] dustybin: so everything got detected?
[00:37:10] tanstaafl32: outside of the myth setup or in?
[00:37:27] dustybin: erm.. the mythbuntu setup?
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[00:38:03] dustybin: tanstaafl32: you could try this channel: mythbuntu
[00:38:18] tanstaafl32: i mean the os and utils external to myth see everything, and the myth backend setup detects the v4l card and identifies it as a pvr-350
[00:38:33] dustybin: aye ok
[00:39:58] tanstaafl32: yeah--i'm idle in ubuntu-mythtv...no one seems to be active
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[00:42:46] matthijs_: hi, when i try to add a new video source, i pick my grabber (tv_grab_nl_upc) and then it starts retrieving channels, but it wont go further than 50%. how can i figure out what is wrong
[00:45:38] wagner: seems the next generation of ATI cards are fully linux compatible
[00:46:54] matthijs_: it gives me this notice: Please wait while MythTV retrieves the list of available channels
[00:51:03] matthijs_: where is the mythtv-backend logfile??
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[00:57:20] matthijs_: nevermind about that last question...
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[01:07:49] lanuser: Hello – are any of the satellite TV services considered "very good" for use with MythTV? Or is cable still the best/easiest to use?
[01:10:43] dustybin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264
[01:10:46] dustybin: interesting link
[01:10:56] dustybin: lanuser: what country?
[01:11:04] matthijs_: hi, does anyone of you know how much time this grabbing is gonna take
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[01:11:16] dustybin: matthijs_: it takes a while, let it do its thing
[01:11:35] matthijs_: i can see xml flashing on my terminal every minute
[01:11:41] matthijs_: dustybin
[01:11:42] tanstaafl32: takes me about 10 or 20 minutes...watch the dates go by...seems to do about 14 days maybe?
[01:11:53] dustybin: matthijs_: yes thats correct
[01:12:20] matthijs_: but dustybin when i scroll up i only see info for 1 particular channel
[01:12:34] matthijs_: and it's been busy for about 20 mins lol
[01:12:39] dustybin: matthijs_: it will warn you at the end if there was problems
[01:12:45] dustybin: leave it
[01:13:11] matthijs_: but why do i see these info for 1 channel?
[01:13:26] matthijs_: when i scroll up
[01:13:57] dustybin: matthijs_: did you setup xmltv properly?
[01:13:59] matthijs_: (btw, how can i show the terminal when i am in mythtv setup, and when he is grabbinb
[01:14:28] mzb_d800: ctrl+alt+Fn
[01:14:32] dustybin: matthijs_: get up another terminal with alt
[01:14:46] matthijs_: because, i closed mythtv setup when it started, but the terminal is still going (i ran mythsetup if i recall correctly)
[01:14:58] matthijs_: Fn?
[01:15:01] matthijs_: mzb_d800,
[01:15:09] mzb_d800: 1–7 (usually)
[01:15:18] mzb_d800: where X *usually* runs on 7
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[01:15:36] lanuser: dustybin US/Wisconsin
[01:15:40] mzb_d800: (depends on distro ... see /etc/inittab)
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[01:15:45] matthijs_: so when i am in mythtv, i can push that buttons, and i will see the terminal and all the details?
[01:16:00] dustybin: lanuser: its your choice, mythtv is good with cable, sat or freeview
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[01:16:29] mzb_d800: you will see a terminal assuming you have gettys enabled ... depends on distro
[01:16:43] matthijs_: ok ty mzb_d800 i have fedora
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[01:16:50] mzb_d800: as far as "details" go ... that's up to you ... you'd have to login and "do something"
[01:17:03] matthijs_: when it is grabbing, i see offset 12 now. what is that?
[01:17:06] lanuser: dustybin: are any of the satellite services considered better? I've never had sattelite but am now considering it, Cable stinks in my community, U-verse has many issues, and after that I only can get Satellite
[01:17:18] iamlindoro: lanuser: In general, US users should avoid satellite until the HD-PVR driver and myth support mature. Cable and OTA can be received digitally, that's preferred
[01:17:34] dustybin: lanuser: are you HD?
[01:17:35] iamlindoro: lanuser: that is, *if* you want to watch HD
[01:18:03] lanuser: dustybin: I have an HDTV but am waiting for the HD-PVR
[01:18:25] dustybin: lanuser: does that mean US sat is DVB-S2 ?
[01:18:25] mzb_d800: matthijs_: it's easier to read the logs (if enabled) for the grabber in their entirity (can't spell?) ... rather than trying to work out what it's doing in real time
[01:18:26] iamlindoro: lanuser: If you don't have one yet, but have one on order, then it really doesn't matter. Chooce the one that will make you most happy
[01:18:36] matthijs_: what does this mean: Data refresh needed because only 0 out of 0 channels have at least one program listed for day @ offset 11 from 8PM – midnight. Previous day had 21 channels with data in that time period.
[01:18:46] iamlindoro: dustybin: Us Sattelite is mostly DVB-S, but all the real channels are encrypted, and no CAMs here
[01:18:53] dustybin: ok
[01:18:55] matthijs_: ok thanks mzb_d800 i dunno how to enable the logs for the setup to be honest
[01:19:10] iamlindoro: lanuser: ultimately w/ HD-PVR support all services will be more or less the same, so just get one and hang tight
[01:19:13] mzb_d800: add it as a grabber option in the frontend
[01:19:14] dustybin: glad i dont live in the US
[01:19:22] matthijs_: lol
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[01:19:34] dustybin: did you know there are different levels of h.264, the highest level is 5.1
[01:19:41] ** lanuser wished he lived in Canada **
[01:20:07] dustybin: the highest bitrate for h.264 is 960 Mbit/s
[01:20:22] iamlindoro: dustybin: Why is it you always seem to want to quote random information, anyway?
[01:20:49] dustybin: im still trying to figure out what a good test for h.264 would be
[01:20:53] matthijs_: i am on offset 15 now, how many is it gonna do? what are those anyway?
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[01:21:36] iamlindoro: dustybin: Well bitrate isn't the way to go about it. Like we *keep* telling you, bitrate and resolution are just tiny parts of the overall equation. Encoder options play just as large if not more of a part
[01:21:54] iamlindoro: dustybin: So just buy the most hardware you can get/afford, and you are likely to be fine
[01:21:58] matthijs_: and why do i still(!) only see information about 1 particular channel? (on those flashing xml things)
[01:22:11] dustybin: ok
[01:25:11] matthijs_: it also says this: 2008-06–20 03:23:10.773 Updated programs: 542
[01:25:30] matthijs_: oh wait, it's increasing
[01:26:04] matthijs_: oh never mind
[01:26:50] matthijs_: wow its done ;p
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[01:35:20] tanstaafl32: anyone: would mythtv default to a tv output on the motherboard or tuner card rather than display video on the computer monitor?
[01:36:43] iamlindoro: MythTV is just an X application. It won't output to anything but what you've got X set up on.
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[01:43:45] PatrickDK: except if your using a pvr-350, but I wouldn't recommend that
[01:44:40] iamlindoro: And it would never default to it
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[01:45:04] PatrickDK: nope
[01:46:42] iamlindoro: In fact, even if you want to make that work you probably can't any more :)
[01:47:43] PatrickDK: I know with the latest ivtv drivers it was a pain in the ass, but still possible
[01:47:59] PatrickDK: but once I got it working again, I have yet to actually use it
[01:49:58] tanstaafl32: ok...i can't get live tv working (and recording files never grow) so something is up. i know the card works on the ivtv drivers.
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[02:04:57] EnderTheThird: I wonder how long it will take for the Hauppauge HD PVR to play nicely with Myth.
[02:05:34] wagner: well it already plays with mythtv
[02:05:44] EnderTheThird: Yeah, but I mean with commflagging and whatnot.
[02:05:49] wagner: although it can be mean and selfish at times
[02:05:53] EnderTheThird: Ha
[02:06:38] wagner: realistically, if recording functions, everything else should function
[02:06:50] wagner: its just a matter of making the recording stable
[02:07:09] EnderTheThird: Yeah. I just want to wait until everyone else gets it going stably cause I know I can't set it up otherwise, ha.
[02:07:23] EnderTheThird: 65" 1080p sucks when you only have network HD channels.
[02:07:44] wagner: i imagine it might
[02:08:28] EnderTheThird: Yeah. BD and HD-DVD looks nice though.
[02:08:47] wagner: you can always rip those and play them through myth
[02:09:06] EnderTheThird: That's an awful lot of work, heh. I don't have enough HDD space anyway.
[02:09:42] wagner: hard drive space is cheap
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[02:10:10] EnderTheThird: I like the convenience of the standalone player for movies. Less nerdy to watch movies on there than it is to throw it all through the computer on the rare occasion I have a girl here.
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[02:10:36] shame: hey fellas, trolling for recommendations for a good RF wireless kb that'd be suitable for couch surfing
[02:11:03] wagner: i like the convenience of just opening up mythvideo and selecting from any of a couple hundred movies
[02:11:11] EnderTheThird: I have the Gyration mouse and keyboard. Mouse's battery life is awful, but it works alright otherwise.
[02:11:17] wagner: nice menu, with pictures, mmm...
[02:11:19] EnderTheThird: wagner: touche
[02:11:46] wagner: bluetooth (or something long range like the gyration) is a minimum
[02:11:47] shame: I have a gyration kb/air mouse, but I don't think I would really recommend it for surfing, was thinking a kb with a built in trackball or something might be better
[02:12:13] wagner: standard wireless crap doesnt do much more than 4–5ft
[02:12:16] EnderTheThird: Check mythtvnews.com. I think they just put up something about good ones.
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[02:13:13] shame: wow, that logitech device looks crazy
[02:13:43] EnderTheThird: wagner: now if I could just unlazy myself and get my box running like I want it to so I could just use Hulu on there for Daily Show and Colbert. I'm not paying for cable just for Comedy Central and Sci Fi in analog.
[02:14:08] wagner: i need to get a new TV before i start trying to browse on my mythbox
[02:14:10] EnderTheThird: Anyone tried using the MythBrowser for Hulu?
[02:14:24] wagner: webpages at 640x480 dont work too well
[02:14:28] EnderTheThird: Ouch.
[02:14:44] wagner: hulu requires flash, which i believe does not work in mythbrowser
[02:14:47] EnderTheThird: Problem with Hulu is that the full screen flash video performance is awful on Linux.
[02:15:05] wagner: you can reconfigure the plugin to use firefox instead
[02:15:12] EnderTheThird: So I have to use zoom with Compiz instead. Works well on the desktop, but not so great on a Myth FE.
[02:15:22] EnderTheThird: wagner: I might look into that.
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[02:15:26] wagner: also, there are no keyboard controls for hulu, so no remote control
[02:15:43] wagner: but since youre considering a trackball anyway, that shouldnt be an issue
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[02:15:57] EnderTheThird: wagner: Yeah. I wish they would allow some sort of API with that. I have no problem with their 2 minutes of commericals per episode.
[02:16:42] EnderTheThird: I use my Harmony remote for Myth. Don't use the Gyration stuff too often cause it's clunky.
[02:17:14] wagner: yeah, ive got a harmony programmed for a hauppauge remote
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[02:17:40] wagner: the delay repeat delay on it is set too high though, ill get around to fixing that eventually
[02:17:41] EnderTheThird: The Harmony rocks. I can't update the time on mine though because I forget the input format for Concordance.
[02:17:52] wagner: heh
[02:18:07] wagner: yeah, i was looking at it yesterday and realized mine was a good four hours off
[02:18:55] EnderTheThird: Yeah. It think it auto-updated the time last time I synced it, but it's still like 10 min off.
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[02:19:55] wagner: i really wish the software let you manage more than one remote per account
[02:20:05] wagner: or ran on your local computer rather than a web site for that matter
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[02:25:02] EnderTheThird: That too
[02:25:36] EnderTheThird: But the web interface means that I don't need to worry about them porting software to Linux. I'd imagine it'd be a more difficult process then compared to Concordance/Congruity.
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[02:34:08] Gumby: is it possible in 0.21 to have multiple video directories? I only see in Utilities/Setup where to setup 1
[02:35:29] purserj: Gumby: not as far as I know
[02:35:41] purserj: you can setup as many child directories as you like though
[02:36:02] Gumby: ok. symlinks here we go :)
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[02:37:25] leprechau: what's the best player and command line arguments for playing mkv on myth?
[02:37:52] purserj: leprechau: have you tried the internal player?
[02:37:59] leprechau: yes
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[02:38:04] leprechau: it's really slow seeking
[02:38:08] leprechau: it starts off okay
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[02:38:16] leprechau: but once you get about halfway through the film it's really slow
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[02:39:04] Dagmar: Well, no one ever said pirated files were easy to play back
[02:39:11] Dagmar: ...or encoded correctly.
[02:39:14] leprechau: ummm...
[02:39:19] leprechau: i used handbrake on a dvd i owned
[02:39:20] leprechau: thankyou
[02:39:22] leprechau: asshole
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[02:41:02] shame: hmm.. I'm starting to think I _must_ get a logitech diNovo, wish they weren't so expensive
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[02:44:50] EnderTheThird: shame: that thing can set you back a bit huh
[02:45:06] EnderTheThird: Then again, I think I spent ~$100 on my Gyration kb&m
[02:45:28] hads: Can anyone remember the way to define a dummy recorder?
[02:48:44] EnderTheThird: shame: That dinovo is $134 shipped at Buy.com. Not bad.
[02:49:12] EnderTheThird: $130 at Beach Camera, but I've never heard of them.
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[03:16:11] mkrufky: http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/06/11/fcc-want . . . al/#comments
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[03:33:29] fryfrog: so, anyone want to buy a used dual xeon MB + cpus?
[03:34:41] jamesd__: where are you? is there on board scsi? does it support ESX?
[03:35:10] mkrufky: fryfrog: what model # so we can google it>
[03:35:47] fryfrog: sure
[03:36:00] fryfrog: Asus PC-DL Deluxe, it is a workstation board so no onboard SCSI or anything
[03:36:10] fryfrog: I *think* it has 6x SATA
[03:36:16] fryfrog: doesn't use oddball ram either
[03:36:40] jamesd__: dual xeon work station mb? sounds like something didn't quite match up.. but oh well..
[03:36:43] fryfrog: It'd be Asus PC-DL Deluxe, 4x 2.4 GHz CPUs (2 to use, 2 for spare) and I believe ~1G ram.
[03:36:51] mkrufky: brb
[03:36:52] fryfrog: what do you mean?
[03:37:16] fryfrog: I didn't want to pay a ton for a server board with a ton of features i wasn't going to use and would only drive the price up :)
[03:37:28] fryfrog: scsi? bah. buffered, registered ecc ram? no thanks :p
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[04:51:18] leprechau: is there a fix for the seek issue with mkv files in the internal player...it accepts the fast forward/skip keys but the video just starts over...it will fast forward at 3x but that is all I can get it to do
[04:51:28] leprechau: any faster than that and the film just restarts at the beginning
[04:51:53] leprechau: these are dvds encoded to x264 with ac3 audio via handbrake
[04:51:58] fryfrog: leprechau: use skip instead of ffwd/rwd?
[04:52:24] leprechau: skip does the same thing...it shows it is progressing on the time counter but the actual video just starts over
[04:52:56] fryfrog: oh, humm
[04:53:00] fryfrog: are you using 0.21-fixes?
[04:53:07] leprechau: yes
[04:53:10] fryfrog: mine *used* to do that with .mkv, but the new myth resolved it
[04:53:15] fryfrog: you could switch to mplayer/xine
[04:54:08] leprechau: mplayer seeks...but it tends to lock up or something...it goes really smooth at first but about halfway though a film it takes forever between each skip
[04:54:20] leprechau: like over a minute for each time you hit the skip button
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[04:56:22] fryfrog: are you sure you are cpu above water?
[04:56:44] leprechau: yes, i've ran top from the back side through ssh
[04:56:50] leprechau: when seeking
[04:56:52] fryfrog: what are your specs?
[04:56:55] leprechau: cpu load is really low
[04:57:01] leprechau: it's just dvd quality video
[04:57:02] fryfrog: ah, humm
[04:57:04] leprechau: it's not even hd
[04:57:11] fryfrog: oh, so it isn't 720p or 1080i/p or anything
[04:57:13] fryfrog: hummm
[04:57:15] leprechau: it's a dvd ripped with handbrake
[04:57:21] fryfrog: could it be bad rip?
[04:57:33] fryfrog: i've heard some talking in here about handbrake doing some funky to rips :/
[04:57:39] leprechau: hrm
[04:57:40] fryfrog: (i use handbrake too, but haven't noticed anything)
[04:57:46] leprechau: could be i guess
[04:58:29] leprechau: what's your command line look like?
[04:58:46] leprechau: handbrake -v --cpu 2 --input /dev/sr1 --title 1 --output /store/RippingTemp/new.mkv --format mkv --crop --encoder x264 --size 1400 --two-pass --turbo --deinterlace --aencoder ac3 --audio 1
[04:58:48] leprechau: is what I use
[04:59:15] fryfrog: don't have one handy, i'm at work :(
[04:59:24] leprechau: gotcha
[04:59:41] fryfrog: i think i use 70% constant quality, but i've probably used other settings too
[04:59:56] fryfrog: i'm not 100% i've watched many movies i've encoded, also i usually only pause them
[05:00:18] Dagmar: I just watch 'em.
[05:00:50] leprechau: well my wife's always going "what did they say...i didn't get that part"
[05:00:54] leprechau: and i have to skip back
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[05:01:03] leprechau: and it's really annoying when it doesn't work
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[05:03:16] Gumby: I cant find it now, but I think there used to be a setting so that you didnt have to scan/update your video directory before a file would appear when browsing the videos. Anyone know what I am talking about or where that setting might be?
[05:03:52] Anduin: Gumby: "[view type] browses files"
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[05:06:25] Gumby: hrm, I guess myth doesnt resolv symlinks then?
[05:09:14] Anduin: Yeah, there is no special handling for them yet.
[05:09:34] Gumby: damn
[05:10:04] Anduin: You can symlink directories to the view tree and it will follow them, it will do stupid things as well
[05:10:21] Gumby: so there really isnt a way to have /media/Movies and /media/Videos appear in mythvideo
[05:10:27] Gumby: hrm.. Ive done that and they arent showing up
[05:12:01] Anduin: It should work, but you can also put multiple directories to look in on the setup page, just separate them with :
[05:12:16] Gumby: ah, ok. cool. someone said that wasnt possible earlier
[05:13:54] Gumby: ah wait a sec. I am just getting confused.
[05:14:14] Gumby: of course its not working... my videos are mounted via samba. of course a symlink isnt going to work
[05:18:29] Gumby: Perfect, thanks Anduin. I appreciate it
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[06:37:18] leprechau: fryfrog, thanks for that pointer...you were right...the 0.9.1 and 0.9.2 handbrake's have a glitch that makes seeking screwup in mkvs....it's easy to fix...just build a current svn version
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[06:38:08] leprechau: fryfrog, and the files you have already encoded...simply run them through mkvmerge -o newfile.mkv oldfile.mkv .... and they are remuxed and work perfect with no quality loss or anything
[06:38:41] leprechau: fryfrog, and it's fast...mkvmerge does a whole movie in around 2 mins or so for just remuxing
[06:47:03] Dibblah: Oh, ha ha ha.
[06:47:11] Dibblah: This Udo guy.
[06:47:27] Dibblah: "Paid for myth to have multirec support".
[06:47:46] Dibblah: Well, actually, he donated €25 to it.
[06:48:15] Dibblah: Which is... 0.41% of the total collected for multirec. Oh, woo.
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[06:55:59] leprechau: HandBrake svn1531 (2008062001) – http://handbrake.fr/
[06:56:00] leprechau: :}
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[06:57:16] leprechau: scripted a loop also to go through all my old handbrake encodes and run them through mkvmerge for me tonight while i sleep
[06:57:24] leprechau: night all
[06:58:56] fryfrog: wow
[06:59:19] fryfrog: leprechau: they have linux binaries, right?
[07:01:53] fryfrog: where the heck does mkvmerge come from?
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[08:10:49] wagner: woot has a recertified hard drive, why would you buy a recertified hard drive
[08:12:27] fryfrog: better than a used, non-recertified?
[08:12:44] wagner: i suppose...
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[08:13:35] fryfrog: are they at least really cheap?
[08:13:46] wagner: $90 for a 750GB
[08:14:02] fryfrog: thats *pretty* cheap, but not a huge drop
[08:14:05] wagner: ive got two coming in the mail tomorrow that were $100
[08:15:11] fryfrog: brand new?
[08:15:23] wagner: yeah, deal on newegg
[08:15:49] fryfrog: okay, so not even very cheap :p
[08:15:57] fryfrog: what brand/model?
[08:16:01] wagner: well typical is $120-$130
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[08:16:22] wagner: Seagate, some as one that im getting tomorrow
[08:16:33] wagner: s/same/some/
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[08:44:30] sid3windr: wagner: recertified disks are sure to work, unlike new disks ;)
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[09:39:55] justinh: see the rift's been acting up again: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7465041.stm
[09:42:31] ** otwin likes: "But it is certainly not advisable for police helicopters to go chasing what they think are UFOs," the spokesperson said. **
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[10:59:46] directhex: i never thought i'd find myself praising phoronix, but their phoronix-test-suite utility is everything i could ever want in a benchmarking tool
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[11:03:38] EvilGuru: They do seem somewhat biased towards ATI/AMD with regards to graphics cards
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[11:04:59] directhex: well, typically their reviews are terrible. but their tool/framework is joy
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[11:49:00] matthijs_: hi, when i try to add a video source with mythtv setup, and i choose my grabber (tv_grab_nl_upc) it gets stuck, still after 40 minutes. (i only added 25 channels.) how can i see what he is actually doing, and what is going wrong?
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[11:51:31] directhex: press alt-tab to see the terminal window where the channel config is happening?
[11:51:52] matthijs_: i dont see a terminal window..
[11:52:11] gbee: for the second time in a week I've screwed up my machine and I don't know how :D
[11:52:18] matthijs_: when i push alt-tab
[11:52:32] directhex: then run mythtv-setup from a terminal window, not a shortcut, or it'll break!
[11:52:54] matthijs_: but how do i add that video source then
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[11:53:38] matthijs_: because i cant watch live tv without that source (i think)
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[11:57:55] directhex: mythtv spawns the settings mode of your xmltv grabber. most xmltv grabbers do this via STDIN. this means you need a parent terminal window for the configuration to work
[11:58:06] directhex: open terminal, run "mythtv-setup". not hard.
[11:58:41] matthijs_: i did that last night, but that video source wasnt added afterall
[11:59:19] matthijs_: so i tried that again, in mythtv setup (gui) and that took 40 minutes, and it got kinda stuck, so i turned it off
[11:59:30] matthijs_: so how do i get that video source?
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[12:00:46] directhex: what does "kinda stuck" mean
[12:01:20] directhex: because if you mean "just sat there when i hit finish, after selecting my xmltv source" then i may have to stab you, since i don't like repeating myself, let alone 3 times
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[12:03:55] matthijs_: i cant see what he is doing since there isnt a terminal window to open (with alt tab) and i let it ran for 40 mins. isnt that enough?
[12:04:40] directhex: sigh
[12:05:05] directhex: OPEN A TERMINAL WINDOW. RUN MYTHTV SETUP FROM THAT WINDOW. THEN THERE *WILL* BE A SODDING TERMINAL WINDOW
[12:05:15] matthijs_: :D
[12:05:17] directhex: IT WILL NOT TIME OUT. IT IS WAITING FOR INPUT
[12:05:40] matthijs_: so u are also not reading what i said..
[12:05:56] matthijs_: i did that last night, but that video source wasn't added after that.
[12:06:31] matthijs_: it did take about 30 mins that time tho and i saw alot of xml passing by
[12:06:53] justinh: ffs even the onscreen text explains that!
[12:07:10] justinh: anybody who can't take note of onscreen hints isn't worth the effort IMHO
[12:07:12] directhex: i'm out.
[12:07:47] matthijs_: onscreen hints? it was a blank screen with a bar that was on about 50%
[12:07:50] justinh: I could understand people having problems with cryptic features or badly explained hints onscreen but come on!
[12:08:05] matthijs_: there was nothing on my screen justinh
[12:08:21] matthijs_: when i hit finish on the add video source part
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[12:11:21] matthijs_: so, do you know what to do or not justinh and directhex ?
[12:12:07] directhex: telling you makes no difference, so i'll just say "no"
[12:13:04] matthijs_: what kind of help channel is this anyway
[12:13:18] matthijs_: just tell me ill google it
[12:13:33] directhex: 3 times is enough.
[12:13:35] matthijs_: the thing is you tell me that there will be a terminal window, but i dont see any
[12:14:00] matthijs_: and that tehre is an onscreen hint, but i dont see any
[12:14:15] matthijs_: how am i suppose to figure it out myself than
[12:14:18] matthijs_: then*
[12:14:24] directhex: yep, definitely 3 times. my limit is 1 time.
[12:14:45] matthijs_: u said, open a terminal window and run mythtvsetup
[12:14:56] matthijs_: then my question is
[12:15:04] matthijs_: will it add that video source?
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[12:15:41] matthijs_: (because i tried that last night and it didnt, so i waited 30 mins for nothing...)
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[12:15:50] directhex: when mythtv-setup has a valid source to add, yes. the source is not valid until you complete the xmltv configuration in the parent terminal window
[12:17:20] matthijs_: how can i see if the xmltv configuration is completed?
[12:18:09] directhex: when the line "Finished configuration" is printed by xmltv
[12:18:30] matthijs_: k ty let me try
[12:21:01] matthijs_: directhex, that xmltv configuration is done by a grabber right? for example tv_grab_nl_upc (mine)
[12:21:08] directhex: yes
[12:21:26] matthijs_: ok, because i finished that, also last night
[12:21:46] matthijs_: so why doesnt my mythtv add my video source?
[12:21:50] directhex: myth calls tv_grab_foo --configure --config-file $some_special_path
[12:21:56] directhex: in the parent terminal
[12:22:47] matthijs_: ye ok. but on to my last question, why didnt it add my video suorce
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[12:23:39] directhex: did the video source step get to 100%, having done the xmltv configuration in the parent terminal?
[12:23:53] directhex: things you do outside of myth make no difference. i'm asking whether you did the channel config when myth spawned it
[12:23:58] matthijs_: i didnt see a progress bar?
[12:24:37] matthijs_: im sorry im not getting u, what do u mean by spawn
[12:24:47] matthijs_: (im dutch)
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[12:26:08] directhex: it does not make a difference whether you've configured xmltv in the past – you cannot "configure xmltv", merely generate a config file which it can use. only when you configure xmltv from inside myth, by alt-tabbing to the parent terminal, does the config apply to mythtv, and is a video source created
[12:26:48] matthijs_: i told u about 3 times that alt tabbing to a terminal dosnt work, because tehre was no terminal opened
[12:27:08] directhex: i told you 3 times to open a terminal and run mythtv-setup frmo there
[12:27:29] directhex: and now we're back to the "repeating myself" thing. why do i always do this? it's bad for my blood pressure
[12:27:39] matthijs_: lol
[12:28:06] matthijs_: hmm let me try
[12:28:13] directhex: personally, i'd rather you never use mythtv, or even linux, than piss me off by making the act of attempting to help you nightmarishly frustrating. you'll find most people have that sentiment in oepn source, which is pretty much why irc support has such a bad reputation
[12:29:21] matthijs_: well ok
[12:30:22] matthijs_: anyway it tells me that there is a backend running and that chaning anything or scanning for channels may not work (or something like that) is that not a problem?
[12:30:39] directhex: yes, it is a problem. you need to kill your backend process.
[12:30:55] matthijs_: ok
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[12:35:45] matthijs_: i cannot kill it directhex
[12:35:52] matthijs_: wait..
[12:36:20] matthijs_: think i did it lol
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[12:45:10] matthijs_: directhex, i also get this message: 2008-06–20 14:43:34.664 No Storage Group directories are defined. You must add at least one directory to the Default Storage Group where new recordings will be stored.
[12:45:58] matthijs_: in the menu storage directories, i can enter a name of a folder, but where is it stored?
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[13:04:10] jduggan: kworld dvd-s 100 sold @ maplin.. anyone used one? know if its useable in *nix? :o
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[13:05:41] jduggan: linuxtv thread seems to suggest its a working model, but any real experience would make me feel better buying it :P
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[13:06:49] justinh: maplin's returns policy is great so I reckon you're safe either way – just don't get into a conversation about what you plan to do with it ;)
[13:06:57] dustybin: never buy from mapcons
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[13:07:19] dustybin: compare the prices with ebuyer and mapcons
[13:07:28] dustybin: you will be shocked
[13:07:31] justinh: then add ebuyer's rip-off P&P
[13:07:41] justinh: only ever buy sale items at maplin if I go
[13:07:41] dustybin: isnt too bad
[13:08:11] justinh: if they have it in stock (which tbh is rare these days) they tend to be king for convenience
[13:08:25] EvilGuru: And pick up some gold-TOSLINK cables while you're at it :P
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[13:08:36] justinh: you have to be the one who knows the score though, cos they sure as hell don't!
[13:08:42] jduggan: hmmm
[13:08:44] jduggan: its a software card
[13:08:50] jduggan: is that normal for dvb-s?
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[13:09:08] EvilGuru: jduggan: Hardware encoders/decoders do not make a lot of sense for DVB
[13:09:12] justinh: "can I help you sir?" "yes, I'm after some video coax" "Would you like PCI express or AGP?" "GOODBYE"
[13:09:19] justinh: jduggan: totally
[13:09:24] jduggan: lol justinh
[13:09:28] jduggan: Ok
[13:09:31] jduggan: just checking :)
[13:09:44] dustybin: i bought a 15M ethernet cable from mapcons because i didnt have time to get one online, it cost me £20. ebuyer, the same cable £3
[13:09:45] justinh: jduggan: I wish to God I was making that up
[13:09:53] justinh: dustybin: well DUH of course
[13:10:05] jduggan: LOL
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[13:10:21] jduggan:
[13:10:34] justinh: choose your purchases carefully – you CAN pick up bargains there still – just never expect any of the staff to be able to tell you anything if you don't know
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[13:10:38] jduggan: their vga cables are a complete rip to :)
[13:10:57] dustybin: justinh: the staff at my local branch arent the brightest bunch in the world
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[13:12:31] justinh: guy I work with was there about 6 weeks ago & overheard this guy being 'helped' – he was in to buy a new fuse for an in-car adapter. The staff guy put his DVM on a current range & was saying "nah, not getting 10 amps across this fuse – must be blown". He then had a eureka moment & set the DVM to volts... "Hmmm.. fuse says 250V but I'm not getting anything"
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[13:13:24] justinh: the customer wasn't in the know either so my mate showed him he needed to use the *resistance* range. Lo & behold, the fuse was indeed blown. LOL
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[13:13:57] justinh: be one hell of a useful fuse that, being able to deliver 250V at 10A in such a small package ;)
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[13:17:17] jduggan: can you barter a price with maplin
[13:17:29] justinh: never tried to be honest with you
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[13:17:31] jduggan: if u buy a dish/lnb/tv card will they chuck in the cable for free
[13:17:54] justinh: go mid-week when the more clued staff are in
[13:18:09] justinh: I mean that most sincerely
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[13:23:04] jduggan: is there any progress on the itv HD stuff in myth?
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[13:24:55] Dibblah: jduggan: Look at trac for a patch, ISTR.
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[13:26:13] EvilGuru: Wonder why they do it differently to the BBC?
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[13:27:00] jduggan: hmm
[13:27:33] jduggan: iirc its like some interactive thing where you hit red when teh show is in HD also, is that right?
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[13:28:06] EvilGuru: Ah that red button rubbish
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[13:30:25] justinh: jduggan: yeah but this time it's propriatary AFAIK
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[13:32:08] jduggan: ah
[13:32:11] jduggan: no docs to work from? :)
[13:32:16] jduggan: unless they're leaked..
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[13:36:29] justinh: don't care tbh
[13:36:38] justinh: red button == junk
[13:37:02] justinh: I've got my mythical convergence box, therefore don't need 'interactive' :)
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[13:52:27] noaXess: hi all
[13:53:01] noaXess: i have a SATELCO EasyWatch PCI (DVB-C)
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[13:54:09] jduggan: noaXess: excellent..
[13:54:12] noaXess: have configured it as DVB DTV TV-Karte: Philips TDA10023 DVB-C
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[13:54:20] noaXess: but i can't watch tv..
[13:54:44] noaXess: if a staart mythfrontend an go to tv it goes back to the frontend
[13:54:59] jduggan:
[13:55:04] noaXess: any idea?
[13:55:22] dustybin: noaXess: did you setup your card properly in mythtv-settings
[13:55:38] noaXess: dustybin: i think..
[13:55:43] dustybin: noaXess: go back and check
[13:55:48] noaXess: is there any config file, that i can pastebin?
[13:55:52] dustybin: no
[13:57:21] noaXess: typ: dvb dtv tv-karte (v3.x), dvb device number 0, frontend id: philips tda10023 dvb-c, signal 1000, timeout 3000.. and thats all
[13:57:54] dustybin: re configure the card
[13:58:01] dustybin: and re scan channels
[13:58:03] noaXess: delete it and create it..
[13:58:04] noaXess: ok
[13:58:58] noaXess: with same setting?
[13:59:20] noaXess: no it is listed as [DVB : 0]
[14:00:05] leprechau: fryfrog, heya
[14:00:12] leprechau: fryfrog, sorry was sleeping ;}
[14:01:50] noaXess: after reconfig and try to watch tv i get: TV Errir: LiveTV not successfuly started
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[14:04:08] justinh: somebody should send a patch in for thay typo
[14:06:11] noaXess: any other problem is that on the mythtv-setup part to link my tv-card with my source, i can't search for channels.... the source is made with xmltv
[14:12:19] noaXess: aha it was a permisson problem on the storage group.. ok.. now a step forward:)
[14:12:50] noaXess: now if i want watch tv i get a blue information: you should have gotten a channel lock by now.... and nothing happends
[14:17:40] noaXess: what is this channel look thing?
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[14:25:47] dustybin: jesus hell, i just sold some bits on ebay, but my ebay email was different to my paypal email and people have been sending me the money to the wrong paypal address
[14:26:04] dustybin: can they cancel what they sent?
[14:28:15] iamlindoro_: It would be fr easier (and more likely to maintain the sale) if you just created a paypal account on the email address they sent it to-- it could be *weeks* if they go through paypal dispute resolution
[14:29:24] dustybin: jesus what a mess
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[14:43:16] stuartm: Catalyst 8.6 drivers are out, MythTV even gets a mention in the release notes :)
[14:43:22] stuartm: This release of the Catalyst™ Linux software driver introduces UYVY and YUY2 pixel format support. This support provides interleaved stream support for video playback applications such as TVTime and MythTV.
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[14:43:45] directhex: so mythtv is no longer officially unsupported? woo
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[14:45:39] GreyFoxx: Props to ATI/AMD for the work they are doing
[14:46:35] iamlindoro_: wowie
[14:46:50] iamlindoro_: now give us MOAR HARDWAAREZ ACCEL
[14:47:44] directhex: GreyFoxx, i hear 4000-series cards are already supported. usually they take 9 months!
[14:48:28] quicksilver: yup. "zero day" support.
[14:48:34] quicksilver: even drivers on the CD and picture of tux on the package
[14:48:48] quicksilver: (of official ATI bundle, of course OEMs probably chop off the picture and don't bother with the CD :P)
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[14:51:59] Ace2016: Mythtv is causing constant hard disk usage on the laptop, anyone know whats causing it?
[14:52:06] Ace2016: if i kill the backend then it stops
[14:52:47] iamlindoro_: Why are you using the backend on a laptop anyway?
[14:53:02] Ace2016: i'm making a theme
[14:53:15] Ace2016: oh and does mythtv run on windows by any chance?
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[14:53:26] iamlindoro_: only if you compile it there
[14:53:31] iamlindoro_: but "sort of"
[14:53:38] GreyFoxx: Ace: There is some porting effort, but it's very very crashy and incomplete
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[14:54:10] GreyFoxx: As for mythbackend, check the output, maybe even try a -v all
[14:54:14] GreyFoxx: see what if anything it's doing
[14:54:49] Ace2016: i killed it, and closed the terminal
[14:55:03] iamlindoro_: Well then it's anyone's guess
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[14:55:21] Ace2016: no logs?
[14:55:35] iamlindoro_: not unless you ran mythbackend with the -l option to output a log file
[14:55:37] GreyFoxx: Did you tell it to log to a file ?
[14:55:38] gbee: Ace2016: is it connected to a card?
[14:55:47] gbee: might be grabbing EIT data
[14:55:48] Ace2016: nope, no cards
[14:55:58] gbee: then I've not got a clue
[14:56:13] Ace2016: i thought logging was done by default by most things to /var
[14:56:24] GreyFoxx: Only if they are using syslog
[14:56:33] GreyFoxx: not if they write directly to their own logfiles
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[14:57:21] GreyFoxx: and even then it wouldn't be a -v all
[14:57:49] Ace2016: i tried the tuners in my media center but i got a strange praize error so i'll test it in windows first, then reinstall myth
[15:00:16] iamlindoro_: even google can't figure out wtf "praize" means
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[15:01:07] Ace2016: oh where you give a messed up config to something and it can't understand it, that kind of thing
[15:02:10] Ace2016: quick question: how hot are tv cards supposed to get?
[15:02:26] iamlindoro_: no hotter than 4000 Kelvin
[15:02:35] GreyFoxx: heh
[15:02:37] iamlindoro_: seriously, they can get quite qarm
[15:02:40] iamlindoro_: warm
[15:02:48] iamlindoro_: depends the card, really
[15:02:53] Ace2016: i have 2 next to eachother, nova-s card and a twinhan 1020A
[15:03:03] iamlindoro_: The hardware encoding analog cards are known to get pretty warm indeed
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[15:03:25] Ace2016: the tv card is hotter than the heatsink for the cpu
[15:03:31] iamlindoro_: I would also expect that a DVB-S card might also, they run a lot of current through them to power LNBs
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[15:03:50] iamlindoro_: Make sure there's plenty of airflow and a fan running over the cards if you can manage it
[15:03:53] Ace2016: yea i don't know how to set it up
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[15:04:29] Ace2016: Are there instructions on setting up a sky lnb with a dvbs card?
[15:05:02] iamlindoro_: You can't use Sky with DVB-S AFAIK
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[15:05:40] iamlindoro_: Last I heard you can only use their box and an analog SD capture card like a PVR-150
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[15:06:19] Ace2016: oh no i want freesat
[15:06:31] Ace2016: but with sky's dish and lnb
[15:06:37] Ace2016: just plug the cable into the mce
[15:06:38] iamlindoro_: Then there is nothing different between that and any other DVB-S setup
[15:07:06] Ace2016: but there are so many options
[15:07:36] iamlindoro_: Plug in feed from satellite dish, point in correct direction, scan transponders in mythtv-setup, done
[15:07:51] iamlindoro_: You just need to know the details of each transponder
[15:09:03] iamlindoro_: all of which are here: http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html
[15:09:18] iamlindoro_: take frequency, add three zeros for mythTV purposes
[15:09:30] iamlindoro_: ie 10729 = 10729000
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[15:10:22] Ace2016: i thought it scanned for transponders by itself
[15:10:39] Ace2016: oh and where do i get an lnb to lnb cable? one of the cards has a passthrough
[15:11:05] iamlindoro_: lnb to lnb cable? It's just coax.
[15:11:19] Ace2016: can i do that? just split the cable with a splitter?
[15:11:29] iamlindoro_: and how would it scan transponders by itself? There are hundreds of thousands, if not more, of possible permutations
[15:11:41] Ace2016: oh
[15:11:49] Ace2016: thats probably why nothing was working
[15:12:36] iamlindoro_: I think you are putting the horse before the cart here-- your foundation is very spotty. You are not going to get anywhere without understanding this stuff, or if you do you will have no idea how any of it works
[15:12:41] Ace2016: for a two dvb s cards do i need a dual headed lnb on the dish?
[15:12:51] directhex: yes
[15:12:58] directhex: absolutely
[15:13:08] Ace2016: so i can't just split the cable into both dvbs cards?
[15:13:22] directhex: no
[15:13:46] Ace2016: oh damn
[15:14:03] Ace2016: so why does one of my cards have lnb out?
[15:14:38] iamlindoro_: you *keep* inserting terms where they don't belong
[15:14:42] directhex: because it can't.
[15:14:55] directhex: an LNB is a doodad at the end of a satellite dish
[15:15:03] directhex: you won't get much reception putting one on a PCi card
[15:15:42] ** iamlindoro_ briefly imagines mounting the entire HTPC on a rotor and pointing it at the sky **
[15:16:47] Ace2016: it says lnbout on the card
[15:16:55] Ace2016: it has a second port with that
[15:17:03] iamlindoro_: *sigh*
[15:17:20] iamlindoro_: We are trying to make you sound less like you are doing this without any knowledge about how it all comes together
[15:17:30] iamlindoro_: we're not making this stuff up
[15:17:42] iamlindoro_: Just like your HTPC is not an "MCE"
[15:17:48] iamlindoro_: and your VFD is not "an iMon"
[15:19:07] directhex: an LNB-out passthrough on a dvb card is useless. you can only have one device use one lnb connection at once
[15:19:16] directhex: use the passthrough, you can only tune one card at a time
[15:19:17] iamlindoro_: Nobody is making fun of you, but it sounds stilted and wrong, and that's how you end up looking. This is all said to *help* you, not to tease you
[15:19:30] directhex: which gains you precisely nothing
[15:21:03] Ace2016: ok i i'll pick the nova-t and use that then
[15:21:35] iamlindoro_: A nova-t is a Terrestrial card, that's not going to do anything w/ Satellite
[15:21:41] Ace2016: nova-s*
[15:21:47] Ace2016: that is a dvbs card
[15:21:54] iamlindoro_: That is, nova-t is not
[15:22:15] Ace2016: i have the nova-s
[15:22:24] Ace2016: i also have a nova-t as it happens
[15:23:00] directhex: splitters and passthrough generally don't work, since the LNB on the dish is POWERED by your set top box or tv card. it's sent rhoguh the coax cable, and used to tune
[15:23:35] Ace2016: can enough power really be drawn through pci?
[15:23:51] iamlindoro_: Sometimes yes, but often DVB-S cards have external power bricks too
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[15:26:50] gbee: According to the driver notes, the HDMI audio should be working on the X1200 series, just wish I had time to install and test that out
[15:26:55] Ace2016: iamlindoro_: is there a step by step guide?
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[15:27:50] iamlindoro_: Not that I am aware of, doesn't seem to be one in the wiki ATM
[15:28:03] directhex: dvb-s info in the wiki sucks
[15:28:24] iamlindoro_: Most of the people setting up DVB-S myth setups tend to have a solid myth foundation so they breeze through it... learning curve is probably a bit high at first
[15:28:56] Ace2016: yea sold myth foundation on sand...
[15:30:23] iamlindoro_: Ace2016, many of the people using freesat setups have rock-solid myth information (and, if fact, are among the most knowledgable users in this channel). *Your* foundation is a tiny bit weak so I suggest reading all you can about DVB-S and Mythtv before tackling this element
[15:31:35] directhex: bah, KEYDB.rar still lacks an entry for Dawn of the Dead
[15:31:37] directhex: how lame
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[15:41:39] Ace2016: ok i'm carrying on with my theme
[15:41:46] Ace2016: and it doing the hard disk activity thing again
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[15:42:01] iamlindoro_: So do as you've been advised and check the log
[15:43:45] Ace2016: 2008-06–20 16:40:54.031 adding: Linux as a client (events: 1)
[15:43:50] Ace2016: thats what it says
[15:44:07] iamlindoro_: That can't be all it says, or you aren't logging
[15:44:11] Ace2016: 2008-06–20 16:41:54.194 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min
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[15:44:54] Ace2016: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21638/
[15:45:02] Ace2016: a pastebin of what happened after startup
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[15:46:20] Ace2016: oh i don't think its the mythbackend i started
[15:46:33] Ace2016: i think its the one that the init.d command started
[15:46:46] iamlindoro_: There should only be one running
[15:46:48] iamlindoro_: ever
[15:47:11] iamlindoro_: Where's Dagmar with that executive overview link when I need him
[15:47:52] iamlindoro_: you're not supposed to start it from init *and* the command line. One or the other.
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[15:48:38] Ace2016: oh, when i start it with init mythfrontend complains about being unable to connect to the backend
[15:48:54] iamlindoro_: then it's probably not ever getting started from init
[15:49:25] iamlindoro_: probably tries and fails
[15:49:43] Ace2016: so it had to have been started by init
[15:49:47] iamlindoro_: As it appears you are using ubuntu, it will never tell you so
[15:49:48] iamlindoro_: no
[15:49:54] iamlindoro_: It is *not* getting started by init
[15:49:59] Ace2016: i ctrl+c out of the one i started, and the disk activity was there
[15:50:04] iamlindoro_: otherwise you could never run it from the command line
[15:50:13] Ace2016: i ran killall -9 and it didn't say there is no process to kill bla bla bla
[15:50:14] iamlindoro_: ps aux |grep mythbackend
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[15:50:41] Ace2016: ok i restarted via init
[15:50:47] Ace2016: and the disk activity is back :(
[15:50:53] iamlindoro_: run the command above
[15:51:01] iamlindoro_: A shiny nickel says it's not running
[15:51:10] iamlindoro_: at least, not properly
[15:51:25] iamlindoro_: the process might be active, but it's probably shurning out DB access errors
[15:51:29] Ace2016: mythtv 5609 3.4 0.6 85180 20136 ? Ssl 16:50 0:01 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid
[15:51:30] Ace2016: ace 5767 0.0 0.0 3000 704 pts/4 R+ 16:51 0:00 grep mythbackend
[15:51:42] GreyFoxx: read the log
[15:51:44] GreyFoxx: tail it
[15:51:52] Ace2016: ace 5850 0.0 0.0 3000 708 pts/4 S+ 16:51 0:00 grep mythbackend
[15:51:58] Ace2016: killall -9 didn't kill this one
[15:52:25] iamlindoro_: Ace2016, do as GreyFoxx suggests-- the HD activity you are talking about is likely it churning out about how it can't connect to the DB on and on
[15:52:31] iamlindoro_: tail the log
[15:52:43] iamlindoro_: tail -100 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[15:53:04] iamlindoro_: This would be a sign of misconfigured init script
[15:53:25] Ace2016: Cannot login to database? over and over and over again
[15:53:44] iamlindoro_: In Ubuntu IIRC it tried to run mythbackend as user mythtv-- if you have changed which userr runs mythbackend, then you need to change the init script to reflect that
[15:53:49] iamlindoro_: s/tried/tries/
[15:54:00] GreyFoxx: Then verify mysql is running, and your DB is setup with the correct username and password
[15:54:40] Ace2016: mysql is running, the mythbackend i started connected to it
[15:54:56] iamlindoro_: Ace2016, do as I told you
[15:55:06] iamlindoro_: change the init script to reflect the user you have been running mythbackend as
[15:55:11] iamlindoro_: It's a line called USER=
[15:55:16] GreyFoxx: then it sounds like you have multiple mysql.txt files and the oine failing is using the wrong one
[15:56:08] Ace2016: ok this is a laptop, i'll just not use init.d again
[15:56:24] Ace2016: no tv cards here, i just wanted to run themes
[15:56:40] iamlindoro_: You don't need a backend to test themes, just a DB
[15:56:42] Ace2016: just wanted to find the source of the disk usage
[15:56:57] iamlindoro_: You can run the frontend happily without mythbackend, so long as there is a DB
[15:57:30] GreyFoxx: Guess it depends on the screen you are looking to check heh
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[16:30:22] gbee: think ATi are pushing firmware with their drivers, otherwise I'm puzzled how this driver update is supposed to fix the audio issues
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[16:32:03] jduggan: gbee: because im too lazy to go through trac lookin @ the patches.. any idea how the itv hd patch is coming along, if at all ? :)
[16:32:25] EvilGuru: gbee: I didn't think graphics cards used firmware in the same way a TV-card does. I mean, sure there is a BIOS you can flash, but it is normally dumb and persistent
[16:32:50] gbee: jduggan: I'm using it just fine – but ffmpeg can't play the stream correctly, nor can CoreAVC
[16:33:24] jduggan: so only myth can play it?
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[16:34:04] jduggan: where myth = internal player
[16:34:23] gbee: EvilGuru: neither did I, but since the audio portion of these cards uses an Alsa driver I'm not sure how a change to the ATi driver can fix audio issues, unless it's by changing the firmware or signalling a configuration change to the card
[16:35:00] gbee: jduggan: Myth uses ffmpeg for playback, well a snapshot of ffmpeg with our own fixes and modifications
[16:35:06] EvilGuru: Audio device which ALSA writes to may well be 'virtual', so provided by the driver at a software level
[16:35:22] gbee: EvilGuru: possibly
[16:35:27] EvilGuru: (as opposed to using a PCI-e bridge and appearing as a discrete device)
[16:36:04] gbee: jduggan: so Myth can't play the ITV video (yet), at least in theory, I skipped right past that and onto trying CoreAVC first
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[16:36:49] gbee: hmm, just had a thought, it might be that CoreAVC can play it, but the seektable is probably f'd up
[16:36:49] EvilGuru: I think the way ASUS is doing it is kind of neat
[16:36:53] iamlindoro_: gbee, Did you happen to get CoreAVC working w/ trunk? If so, did you happen to keep a diff somewhere?
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[16:36:57] gbee: I should have remembered that
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[16:37:27] Ace2016__: ok wireless is back
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[16:37:31] gbee: iamlindoro_: yeah, I have it working, think I put an updated diff in trac? If not I can do that now
[16:37:42] iamlindoro_: lemme check, maybe you did
[16:38:05] iamlindoro_: gbee, with the HD-PVR testing going on I swapped over the trunk so I'd love to get CoreAVC back
[16:38:19] gbee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3053
[16:38:43] iamlindoro_: gbee, Perfect! Thanks so much
[16:39:17] jduggan: gbee: so what *can* play the stream?
[16:39:41] gbee: it's a couple of weeks old, so I'm not sure how it behaves with more recent commits from Daniel and Janne, let me know if it doesn't apply cleanly and I'll update it again
[16:40:09] iamlindoro_: gbee, I'll let you know. Would take a pass at making it apply if I ran into that, though
[16:40:27] iamlindoro_: applies clean
[16:41:04] gbee: jduggan: in linux? not much – although maybe CoreAVC can play, I need to check a few things
[16:41:34] gbee: chances are that PAFF+Spatial support will be added to ffmpeg and MythTV in the near future, I just can't offer a timeline
[16:41:39] jduggan: gbee: half tempted to invest in dvb-s this evening/tomorrow.. just looking at options for the HD hehe :)
[16:42:16] gbee: ITV HD seems pretty tricky right now anyway since there are no listings for it and that makes it hard to do any scheduling
[16:43:49] gbee: ITV seem determined to prevent people recording ITV HD, which is one reason why it's not a proper channel, if you are using a STB the only way to watch it is to press RED while watching ITV1 and only when they are simulcasting the show in HD (which isn't pre-announced)
[16:45:23] jduggan: do they send a flag in teh stream to say you can get the show in HD also?
[16:45:28] gbee: I setup a custom schedule to record the footy the other week, but I've been busy since then and my only attempt to play it (with CoreAVC) didn't go well
[16:46:10] gbee: jduggan: not in the EIT data, I don't know if anyone has looked at what other data they might be sending
[16:47:45] Ace2016: test
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[16:48:30] jduggan: gbee: so the STB's that are playing it dont know it has a HD stream available, it requires the user to hit red when its advertised?
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[16:50:00] gbee: yep
[16:50:55] gbee: "HD Available press Red" or something to that effect displayed in the top right corner, and/or an announcement just as the programme starts
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[16:55:13] jduggan: that is so so gay
[16:55:36] jduggan: are they definitly doing it to make it difficult to record, or maybe just a dumb decision?
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[17:00:59] gbee: I think there are two reasons, 1) They have little HD content, not even enough to keep the channel on air for a couple of hours each night like the BBC 2) They don't want people recording
[17:02:24] EvilGuru: Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice. — Since this is ITV it may just be plausible
[17:02:54] gbee: it seems pretty clear from their deliberate obfuscation of the correct codec etc that they don't want people accessing the stream for recording or on other "brand" STBs, i.e. Sky or non-FreeSat FTA receivers
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[17:03:52] gbee: the reason for the latter would probably be because they are investing themselves in FreeSat and need to drive take up
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[17:04:41] gbee: FreeSat isn't just another platform for ITV, it's a chance to leverage lower carriage costs from the likes of Sky and Virgin
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[17:11:55] Ace2016: yay i'm back, and i'm ready to setup
[17:14:31] |Torg|: is there somethign I need to do to ubutu to get trunk to compile, it does not like the Makefile in libmythupmp
[17:14:34] |Torg|: err pnp
[17:15:18] iamlindoro_: |Torg|, you're missing libqt4-opengl-dev, most likely
[17:15:23] iamlindoro_: IIRC
[17:15:42] iamlindoro_: I think that's the spot that complains about "cannot find -lQTGl or something of the sort
[17:16:38] Ace2016: iamlindoro_: so for dvbt should i pick "full scan for existing transports?
[17:16:47] Ace2016: is that the first thing you do to get channels? =
[17:16:51] |Torg|: no its comlaining about an improper shell call, and when I fix it version.cpp complains about and enexpceted expression
[17:17:07] Ace2016: i'm in the "connect source to input section"
[17:17:13] iamlindoro_: Ace2016, Not unless you've already scanned transports, otherwise there won't be any "existing" ones to scan
[17:17:36] iamlindoro_: |Torg|, Hmm. No such troubles w/ me last night
[17:18:01] iamlindoro_: (or this morning when I updated again)
[17:18:05] Ace2016: iamlindoro_: have you got that link that gave the frequency, polarity and symbol rate?
[17:18:12] |Torg|: and there is no libqt4-opengl-dev pacakge in my repos
[17:18:22] iamlindoro_: Ace2016, No idea for terrestrial stuff, that should all be available per-locale
[17:18:38] Ace2016: dvb-s is that terrestrial?
[17:19:05] janneg: no, Satellite
[17:19:06] iamlindoro_: Ace2016, You asked about *DVB-T* just now
[17:19:17] iamlindoro_: "<Ace2016> iamlindoro_: so for dvbt should i pick "full scan for existing transports?"
[17:19:18] Ace2016: dvb-s
[17:19:30] Ace2016: argh damn, why do i keep mixing it up
[17:19:35] iamlindoro_: I wonder that myself
[17:19:51] Ace2016: can you just assume i'm talking about dvbs, its dvbs, its written on the pci card
[17:20:01] Ace2016: and i connected the cable that used to go to sky
[17:20:17] iamlindoro_: Well I'm not looking at your PCI card, now am I? I have to rely on *you* to give correct information
[17:20:24] iamlindoro_: Which appears to be a crap shoot
[17:20:26] iamlindoro_: http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html
[17:20:33] iamlindoro_: Lyngsat info for freesat
[17:22:26] Ace2016: is the symbol rate in green?
[17:23:11] iamlindoro_: No
[17:23:19] Ace2016: ok i think its scanning
[17:23:27] Ace2016: i figured its 22000000
[17:24:33] iamlindoro_: |Torg|, That is the correct package name, so I dunno what you might have to activate
[17:24:50] iamlindoro_: libqt4-opengl-dev – Qt 4 OpenGL library development files
[17:25:05] |Torg|: no I figured it out, its linking agsinst qt3 not qt4
[17:25:59] Ace2016: ok it says scanning, i put the details in correctly
[17:26:07] Ace2016: is there like a progress bar on this thing?
[17:26:19] Ace2016: oh oh
[17:26:36] Ace2016: the terminal says: Failed to setup DiSEqC devices
[17:28:53] Ace2016: ok let me try linuxmce
[17:29:05] gbee: Ace2016: yeah, you need to tell it you have a single/Universal lnb
[17:29:09] Ace2016: is there an official mythtv distro?
[17:29:12] gbee: in the capture card setup
[17:29:14] Ace2016: i tried
[17:29:20] gbee: apparently not
[17:29:31] GreyFoxx: Ace: No there is not
[17:29:42] GreyFoxx: we dont produce nor push any particular distro
[17:29:56] Ace2016: and said single, and clicked finish and it took me to a list which showed LNB, on its own, and then pressing enter just took me back to the previous menu
[17:30:04] |Torg|: ok iamlindoro its a hardy only package, thats why
[17:30:14] Ace2016: Can you guys please do so because its nice to have a common base
[17:30:40] iamlindoro_: |Torg|, in that case you should be okay, I think-- on Gutsy I only needed litqt4 libqt4-dev, libqt4-mysql.... erm.. I think that was it
[17:30:47] gbee: yeah, I vote Mandriva
[17:30:58] iamlindoro_: Ace2016, never ever ever ever going to happen
[17:31:02] Dagmar: Ummm... No.
[17:31:04] gbee: oh, wait, what about Mac users – better make that OSX
[17:31:07] Dagmar: Learn freakin' Linux.
[17:31:18] Dagmar: It's not that hard, and it'll make you a better person.
[17:31:41] iamlindoro_: s/Linux/Linux, MythTV, and all related HTPC terminology/
[17:31:46] Dagmar: If you want to have a PVR without learning anything, pull out your credit card. You know where the store is.
[17:32:13] Dagmar: Until you LEARN this stuff, you are just going to be at the mercy of the salesclerks *anyway*
[17:32:26] wagner: it would probably be easier to make a call to your cable co
[17:32:43] Ace2016: yea cable would be easy but not free
[17:33:00] wagner: mythtv.... free... ??? HAH
[17:33:10] Dagmar: Ace2016: Free only works if you have the brains to make it happen
[17:33:18] iamlindoro_: So get a Freesat DVR box, they must exist. Otherwise, you have a lot of reading to do
[17:33:19] Dagmar: You learn, or you pay money.
[17:33:56] wagner: of course if you do learn, youre bound to spend more money on it eventually
[17:34:13] GreyFoxx: Ace: Hell no,
[17:34:27] GreyFoxx: There are plenty of myth based or centric distros
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[17:35:47] iamlindoro_: A quick glance at the wiki shows that the informed/persistent/hard-headed user can make myth run on practically anything/any distro... even if I think Myth should never run on said thing.
[17:37:02] Ace2016: where is the wiki?
[17:37:02] xand: are the css etc URIs in mythweb hardcoded as absolute? e.g. <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/mythweb/skins/default//style.css"> – it would be useful if they were relative :|
[17:37:10] iamlindoro_: wiki.mythtv.org
[17:37:15] xand: because it breaks when accessing mythweb via a reverse proxy
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[17:37:47] wagner: ive got mythtv working via reverse proxy
[17:37:52] wagner: mythweb rather
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[17:38:14] xand: well it works if I proxy /mythweb
[17:38:33] xand: but I want to use say www.example.com/sites/mythtv
[17:38:57] wagner: ah, cant help you there
[17:39:09] wagner: ive got it on the root path
[17:39:18] wagner: well, the root path of a subdomain
[17:39:23] Dagmar: You can't look up "iptables port forwarding" with Google?
[17:39:50] xand: if that's directed at me, I'm not interested in doing it that way thanks
[17:39:55] gbee: mythweb part isn't hardcoded AFAIK
[17:40:10] Dagmar: Well then you're banging your skull against the wall, and you will continue to do so.
[17:40:27] Dagmar: I suggest a combination of aspirin and ibuprophen.
[17:40:49] xand: that's nice
[17:41:00] Dagmar: It's called "I've been on the web as long as it's been around"
[17:41:50] Dagmar: Using squid as an accelerator when you don't have to is inelegant.
[17:42:04] xand: I'm not using squid, it's apache
[17:42:55] |Torg|: ok iamlindoro the issue is a make distclean is not complete, ill file a bug agsint it
[17:42:57] Dagmar: Well you have fun with that
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[17:43:36] wagner: well like i said, setting up an apache proxy is relatively easy if you have the same pathway
[17:43:37] gbee: |Torg|: known issue
[17:43:55] Dagmar: port forwarding is three shell commands.
[17:43:55] xand: wagner: yeah it works fine that way
[17:43:57] gbee: noted in the thread on QT4 in trunk
[17:44:09] xand: I guess I'll have to change mythweb to use relative paths
[17:44:53] wagner: any reason for sticking everything in /sites/whatever, rather than using subdomains?
[17:45:18] wagner: subdomains and virtual servers
[17:45:38] xand: well I could do that
[17:47:47] |Torg|: ok gbee a simply find . -name Makefile -exec rm {} \; works to fix it tho, I cant find the ticket
[17:48:25] wagner: that sounds dangerous
[17:48:37] |Torg|: what removing the makefiles, no configure creates them
[17:50:41] Ace2016: does mythbuntu have a wiki?
[17:51:17] gbee: "find . -name Makefile -delete"
[17:51:48] |Torg|: same thing
[17:52:50] |Torg|: technically it shoudl be find . -print name Makefile, functioanlly -delte and -exec rm {} do the same thing
[17:53:22] Dagmar: If you like superfluous arguments, sure.
[17:53:44] |Torg|: if you like to stick to unix commands instead of GNU ones, sure
[17:53:59] Dagmar: So, what platform are we using?
[17:54:06] Dagmar: Linux, right?
[17:54:19] Dagmar: Any of those shipping with BSD's find instead of GNU find?
[17:54:20] iamlindoro_: I'm using MythMinix
[17:54:47] |Torg|: my Solaris box for example? why change it when you do not have to?
[17:55:03] Dagmar: ...and I got news for you, the "other" find supports -name
[17:56:07] Dagmar: You only need -print if you want to see the names.
[17:56:09] |Torg|: Dagmar: did you miss something in what I said, I was talking about the equivilence of -delete to -exec rm {}, not the conditionals
[17:56:31] Dagmar: "<|Torg|> technically it shoudl be find . -print name Makefile, [...]"
[17:56:33] wagner: woo!, hard drives are here
[17:56:45] Dagmar: What you said was wrong. Deal with it, mon.
[17:57:26] Dagmar: There's no need to get excited about it.
[17:58:02] iamlindoro_: the thief he counterspoke
[17:59:06] iamlindoro_: erm, that's "kindly spoke"
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[18:03:16] gbee: -delete is more efficient that -exec rm {};
[18:03:26] gbee: they achieve the same thing, but in different ways
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[18:04:03] gbee: and by more efficient, I mean faster
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[18:05:10] jduggan: btw, anyone after sat dishes/LNBs.... worth checking out ebay... far more cheaper than buying new
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[18:08:27] Ace2016: what does mythconverg do? i'm getting errors about it when trying to setup the lnb
[18:08:54] Ace2016: i click on DiSEqC, then there is a list with LNB in it
[18:08:56] wagner: mythconverg is the mysql database
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[18:09:03] wagner: lnb?
[18:09:12] Ace2016: yea
[18:09:22] wagner: what is a lnb?
[18:09:30] iamlindoro_: low noise block converter
[18:09:32] Ace2016: DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1
[18:09:35] Ace2016: what does that mean?
[18:09:35] Dagmar: low noise box-thingy
[18:09:36] gbee: Low Noise Block Con ..
[18:09:37] iamlindoro_: the chunky bit at the end of a dish arm
[18:09:54] Dagmar: Liss-Ning-Bit
[18:09:56] iamlindoro_: gbee, ;)
[18:11:19] Dagmar: Ace: It means you have more work in mythtv-setup to do
[18:14:22] Ace2016: well i need to setup DiSEqC devices, thats what scan says
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[18:17:59] Ace2016: argh it crashed
[18:18:50] Ace2016: xcb_lock.c:33: _XCBUnlockDisplay: Assertion...
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[18:28:18] Ace2016: my card is a WinTV Nexus-S
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[18:50:10] achew22: there is a patch for mythtv sitting in the update manager for myth, will it take me from .21 to .21-fixes?
[18:50:55] iamlindoro_: That's your distribution's update manager, myth has none of its own
[18:51:17] iamlindoro_: Use whatever your package manager's command for showing info about a package to find out what it is
[18:51:43] achew22: thanks
[18:52:13] iamlindoro_: for something like ubuntu that would be apt-cache show packagename
[18:52:31] achew22: it is the fixes branch
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[18:57:20] dustybin: i think the next release of mythtv .22 will be more HD ready
[18:57:33] dustybin: and by then UK should of gone HD
[19:01:04] jduggan: well the three major channels already have HD available
[19:01:16] jduggan: ;p
[19:01:19] ** EvilGuru is still waiting for 5 HD **
[19:01:30] ** jduggan wonders why **
[19:01:32] jduggan: :P
[19:01:34] gbee: and 0.22 should be out before the end of the year, well that was the hope
[19:01:44] dustybin: jduggan: nothing to do with that, there are lots of things like skiploop filter options and audio sync and fast forwarding HD etc
[19:01:52] dustybin: plus ITV doesnt work yet
[19:02:15] jduggan: sounds like ITV wont ever be a decent HD platform
[19:02:16] jduggan: :\
[19:02:41] gbee: jduggan: maybe when they have enough content
[19:02:41] dustybin: gbee: .22 out this year?! jeeze? i was expecting that to be released in a couple of years
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[19:03:37] gbee: dustybin: we want to avoid the extremely long development cycle that was seen with 0.21 and get back to the 6–8month mark
[19:03:39] dustybin: how long was the period of .20 and .21?
[19:03:41] iamlindoro_: MythTV is perfectly Hd ready today :)
[19:03:43] dustybin: inbetween
[19:04:00] gbee: dustybin: 18 months roughly
[19:04:05] dustybin: thats not too bad
[19:04:15] gbee: Sept 2006 -> March 2008
[19:04:21] dustybin: ok
[19:04:24] iamlindoro_: .20 -> .21 was a very long one for this project
[19:04:50] dustybin: iamlindoro_: i cannot fast forward my HD test videos
[19:05:11] iamlindoro_: dustybin, That's a problem with your HD test videos then :)
[19:05:16] gbee: we've actually kept the goals for 0.21 low, QT4 and mythui being the main ones, with a few updates, bug fixes and an improved scanner along the way
[19:05:17] dustybin: aye ok
[19:05:36] dustybin: is QT5 being worked on?
[19:05:44] iamlindoro_: ou must be kidding
[19:05:51] dustybin: i mean the actual project
[19:05:58] dustybin: the QT toolkit project
[19:06:37] iamlindoro_: Probably... but what is it you think you would gain by upgrading to a newr QT?
[19:07:02] dustybin: nope i just wondered
[19:07:19] dustybin: http://trolltech.com/products/qt/
[19:07:21] iamlindoro_: well, then yes, there will someday be a qt5
[19:07:25] dustybin: never heard of trolltech
[19:07:36] iamlindoro_: They're the ones responsible for qt
[19:07:43] EvilGuru: I do not think they plan on Qt5
[19:08:06] EvilGuru: if they are happy with the current design/API then why re-design
[19:08:09] iamlindoro_: Ergo "someday"
[19:08:20] iamlindoro_: but not today, or tomorrow, or any soon-to-come tomorrow
[19:08:24] EvilGuru: I'll put it down as the same day as Linux 3.0 then
[19:08:47] iamlindoro_: and probably after that ;)
[19:08:49] dustybin: what kind of flashy effects will the new mythUI feature?
[19:09:14] dustybin: and how can one control those effects if one wanted to create a template for it?
[19:09:23] dustybin: would you need to know how to code in C++ ?
[19:09:56] iamlindoro_: dustybin, the visual effects will be accessed through the themes, you will need to learn the new theme format
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[19:10:11] dustybin: ok
[19:10:18] abqjp: dustybin: all in XML
[19:10:30] dustybin: aye cool :-)
[19:11:15] dustybin: am i right in thinking that the myth menu 'could' have similar effects to apples frontrow and MCE ?
[19:11:26] iamlindoro_: yes, that will all be more or less doable
[19:11:30] iamlindoro_: but far far more than that
[19:11:35] dustybin: jeeze hat is serious stuff
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[19:11:41] dustybin: :-)
[19:12:13] dustybin: linux-format, the real paper magazine, said they will do a feature on mythtv soon
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[19:13:10] gbee: dustybin: those sort of effects will be there, eventually, though maybe not in 0.22 – it depends how things progress, as it stands now, mythui has a few animation capabilities – all pretty basic but more will come
[19:14:22] dustybin: mythtv is serious stuff :-)
[19:14:31] gbee: eugh, I hate it when those journos do features on MythTV, they usually get some details wrong and never mention that there are plans to fix the major gripes in the next release etc
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[19:15:14] dustybin: gbee: one of the linux-format editors uses mythtv all the time
[19:16:08] EvilGuru: An article in Linux Format may well be preaching to the converted
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[19:18:31] blackest: i hate linux magazines they really do suck up far too much
[19:19:22] blackest: they really over do the linux is superior to windows thing, they seem totally rabid
[19:19:40] dustybin: blackest: and they repeat the same kind of tutorials all the time
[19:20:10] blackest: they seem to appeal to the extremest nut job
[19:21:38] dustybin: if linux is getting more popular and it eventually breaks microsoft im all for it :-)
[19:22:09] Dagmar: Because all the damn news want someone to do it for them, not to teach them how to do it themselves
[19:22:45] EvilGuru: "Huh? Windows was designed to keep the idiots away from Unix so we could hack in peace. Let's not break that."
[19:22:47] blackest: well microsoft will break microsoft, linux will have little to do with it.
[19:22:54] Dagmar: s/news/newbs/;
[19:23:35] iamlindoro_: Mac OS has far more of a chance to take over than linux does, and that comes from a happy user of both
[19:23:57] Dagmar: I think what we need is to temper this learning curve with dynamite.
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[19:24:06] gbee: iamlindoro_: not as long as it's tied to overpriced hardware
[19:24:13] blackest: thing is thou if your like majorly hooked on say office you ain't going to switch to linux you can't
[19:24:28] Dagmar: Users will be allowed to use Linux, without "adult" supervision, but one year after the first time they use it, they will be required to take a basic command line competency exame.
[19:24:39] blackest: sensible people realise they can use both :)
[19:24:41] Dagmar: If they fail, five sticks of dynamite under their seat will be instantly detonated.
[19:24:46] iamlindoro_: gbee, I don't think even that is a limiting factor. People are gradually coming around to paying a bit more not to be driven insane
[19:25:00] iamlindoro_: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080617 . . . wnloads.html
[19:25:02] gbee: blackest: I wouldn't say that, I've sucessfully migrated people to OpenOffice, your average office worker wouldn't even notice the difference
[19:25:12] iamlindoro_: See that picture for proof positive :)
[19:25:26] gbee: iamlindoro_: yeah, I'm not convinced, but we'll see ;)
[19:25:33] Dagmar: It's not the "average" ones I worry about
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[19:25:47] EvilGuru: iamlindoro_: neat
[19:25:54] blackest: well gbee i failed to migrate my brother his existing spreadsheets powerpoint ect did not go over very well at all
[19:25:58] Dagmar: It's the fucking *morons* who had to take a six-week class to learn to use Word and *still* can't read and write on a post highschool levle
[19:26:06] Dagmar: The ones who thing HTML email is neat.
[19:26:45] blackest: the problem with my brother is he does use offices features , collaberation and such like.
[19:26:51] iamlindoro_: I will also note that my new Macbook air is coming from freakin' China and is taking its sweet time getting here
[19:26:52] gbee: blackest: never had a problem in that regard, but maybe I've just been lucky, or you've been unlucky ;)
[19:27:02] GreyFoxx: Dag: No, HTML is "programming"
[19:27:04] GreyFoxx: :)
[19:27:17] Dagmar: not the way Word does it it's not
[19:27:36] GreyFoxx: php, java, asp, etc... Sure that's programming, but HTML is not imho :)
[19:27:37] blackest: well he basically didn't want to dualboot or use a vm so off course linux didn't make the grade
[19:27:51] Dagmar: I am not joking when I say I've taught a mentally retarded child the seven basic HTML tabs.
[19:27:56] Dagmar: s/tabs/tags/;
[19:28:05] GreyFoxx: Black: Why not a VM? I have a windows VM running just for that sorta crap :)
[19:28:17] Dagmar: So, adults that can't learn them, IMHO, have no business working in any internet-related industry
[19:29:01] blackest: didn't want to go through the extra step, i guess. the only other major thing was guitar pro
[19:29:20] blackest: that really doesn't run well in a vm or wine
[19:31:35] Dagmar: Actually, I will say I was somewhat astonished to see the kid come back at me with "If you opened it, close it" when I explained closing tags to him
[19:31:40] blackest: any way it was a waste of time even getting him looking at linux and if he had specified his requirements i wouldn't have bothered seting him up on it, even his crappy lexmark printer didn't work.
[19:31:54] Dagmar: Shit like this is why I don't teach adults anymore
[19:32:27] blackest: dagmar have you got a page with your seven basic html tabs ?
[19:32:31] gbee: I'll admit that there is a certain type of person who will struggle with linux, they tend to consider themselves PC experts and know their way around Windows – registry hacking etc but they are too set in their ways to learn something new. Anyone with more computing experience or just a thirst for learning, will comfortably make the transition to linux and the same goes for those who's computing experience amounts to general
[19:32:31] gbee: office work, email or internet browsing.
[19:32:45] GreyFoxx: black: Hehe at home I have our Dell usb printer connected to a windows VM session for network printing :)
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[19:33:57] blackest: that's not too bad an idea me i just buy printers which work with linux
[19:33:58] gbee: at least that's been my experience
[19:34:46] blackest: the biggest problem is the binary looking people ie its windows or its linux you can't use both
[19:35:03] gbee: honestly suprised that there are printers which don't work under linux these days
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[19:36:05] abqjp: NAS with print server (runs linux): http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . as&num=1
[19:36:09] blackest: lexmarks are putrid
[19:36:20] dustybin: did bill gates leave microsoft because vista was a failure?
[19:36:23] gbee: blackest: I tend to see it in black and white simply because once you've adjusted to linux then there just doesn't seem to be a case for Windows any more, I know not everyone sees it that way
[19:36:46] gbee: dustybin: he was due to retire anyway
[19:37:09] dustybin: ok..
[19:37:21] blackest: vista isn't a failure, its designed to sell hardware
[19:37:29] gbee: I doubt Vista had anything to do with it
[19:37:35] gbee: blackest: :D
[19:38:09] Dagmar: Actually, the parts of Vista that you're saying were designed to sell hardware are there because of US
[19:38:10] iamlindoro_: Not to mention microsoft could put out anything it wants and it can fail miserably, it'd still be a tough trick to extract bill gates if he didn't want to go
[19:38:23] Dagmar: Vista would definitely not have had Aero were it not for Mac OSX and Compiz-Fusion
[19:38:28] Dagmar: We were making them look like shit.
[19:38:37] EvilGuru: Dagmar: Rubbish :)
[19:38:41] blackest: its like odf can't be allowed to succeed because then we have document portability
[19:38:44] Dagmar: Bluntly put, we were making them look like the legacy monolith that they are.
[19:38:55] Dagmar: EvilGuru: No man, sadly it's not.
[19:39:02] gbee: if I don't like MS it's because of their business practices, I respect the work they've done with Windows etc
[19:39:09] Dagmar: All those idiot Windows users wut there equate "pretty" with "good".
[19:39:35] Dagmar: Remember how many people were claiming Windows 95 was so "superior" to Windows 3.11?
[19:39:36] EvilGuru: Dagmar: I am sure MS had thought of it and were developing it before OS X became mainstream/Compiz was released
[19:39:53] Dagmar: ....and it took Windows 98 to have two more releases before that was even remotely true
[19:40:06] Dagmar: EvilGuru: They actually weren't.
[19:41:00] blackest: i would think that IE is now being developed because firefox is successful
[19:41:43] Dagmar: EvilGuru: There was completely nothing about Aero being said, shown, or worked on until Compiz and OSX's new UI hit the scene
[19:42:14] gbee: Vista can rightfully be branded a failure if you look at what it was supposed to be and not at the problems it's had since it was released, so many (pretty much all) of the planned features and improvements were dropped
[19:42:16] Dagmar: Users base their idea on how good an operating system is by how pretty it looks.
[19:42:19] Dagmar: Microsoft knows this.
[19:42:41] Dagmar: gbee; That's not why they were "planning" those featuers
[19:42:45] dustybin: MS / Windows is responsible for 95% of the spam in the world
[19:43:07] Dagmar: They've got a long history of floating the most improbable things into press releases to pump up their stock options, and to take credit for things they havne't done yet
[19:43:14] Dagmar: That's also been going on since at least 98
[19:43:31] dustybin: not forgetting all the other zombie machines DoS attacking
[19:43:36] gbee: Dagmar: but tht
[19:43:46] Dagmar: Like, the "single object store" functionality they were talking about back in *1999*
[19:44:12] gbee: that is pretty much my point, they made those promises and failed to deliver which only backfires on them in the long term
[19:45:12] gbee: everyone knew they were over ambitious and unlikely to happen, but all the same the gradual shortening of the Vista feature list has damaged their credibility
[19:45:36] blackest: I heard a really bad article on radio 4 the other morning essentially it was selling the iphone and saying how a locked down platform would stop all the virus's malware and other related crap and that this was needed, funny thing is they refered to pc's and really it was windows, osx and linux have a decent security model
[19:46:18] EvilGuru: osascript -e 'tell app "ARDAgent" to do shell script "whoami"'; anyone
[19:47:32] blackest: i had a go at redressing the balance on r4's forums and they locked the thread after 20 minutes
[19:48:32] Dagmar: gbee: I don't think they're worried about damaging their "credibility"
[19:48:50] Dagmar: The people they're selling to don't have a memory of anything that happened or was said six months ago
[19:49:22] blackest: i think they are worried about hardware like the EEE which can't run vista
[19:49:23] gbee: Dagmar: they aren't, but then they are being far too complacent
[19:49:26] Dagmar: ...and aince 2000 probably 90% of their real bread and butter market, the businesses, have been locked into first right of refusal licencing contracts
[19:49:50] Dagmar: If a company that's using Microsoft needs something, and Microsoft makes it, they have to buy it from Microsoft. THey don't get a choice--it's in the contract.
[19:51:03] gbee: the businesses and governments especially are exactly the people they are going to, and have started to lose – it only takes a few of them to remember the promises and before long the trend towards other platforms becomes a runaway train
[19:52:10] blackest: nah theres a lot got to shift before most people can get on that train, no1 issue portability of data
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[19:53:20] gbee: it's a trickle right now, but I forsee it growing as those contracts come up for renewal and director A tells director B how he was reading about Company X migrating to linux and that maybe they should think about it
[19:53:35] Dagmar: They can't do it.
[19:53:38] Dagmar: THe big ones simply can't.
[19:53:53] Dagmar: It would literally mean shutting htem down and retraining the entire company at once
[19:53:55] iamlindoro_: This is how big ones get replaced with medium ones :)
[19:54:02] Dagmar: Pretty much
[19:54:07] Dagmar: Well, that and FTC investigations.  ;)
[19:54:32] blackest: if you have a million pound contract riding on a presentation would you do it with open office or ms office
[19:54:45] iamlindoro_: Heavy contract
[19:54:47] Dagmar: Open Office.
[19:54:56] janneg: beamer
[19:54:57] gbee: it's the biggest ones already are but mostly because they are outsourcing more and more of their core business to firms and countries where they aren't so entrenched in the pockets of MS
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[19:55:26] Dagmar: Although to be perfectly honest, I might create it with OpenOffice, but when the time came for the presentation I'd have reduced it to a series of 1024x768 PNG files and would just be doing it with a slideshower
[19:55:42] iamlindoro_: If I had a million pound contract I'd e-mail it and save trees
[19:56:00] Dagmar: I sure as hell wouldn't mess around with MS Office. One blue screen and you look like an ass.
[19:56:12] dustybin: how long did it take before word could open a open-office doc?
[19:56:22] blackest: well i have seen presentations done for million pound contracts and they are not just stills
[19:56:36] EvilGuru: Money on whoever said beamer for getting the contract
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[19:56:58] iamlindoro_: Presentations for million $Currency contacts that are done right aren't done in Powerpoint either ;)
[19:57:13] iamlindoro_: They're done w/ well-paid video production houses
[19:57:49] blackest: you might be surprised in the railway industry powerpoint is used
[19:58:09] Dagmar: They still burn coal, man.
[19:58:27] iamlindoro_: given the abject failure of every major rail line in the USA, that wouldn't surprise me ;)
[19:58:46] blackest: on a simple track renewal going over time is £5000 a minute per track in penalties
[19:59:46] Ace2016: someone help me setup mythtv on a nexus-s dvbs card
[19:59:49] Ace2016: please
[19:59:51] Ace2016: pretty please
[20:00:03] Dagmar: Read docs.
[20:00:13] iamlindoro_: Dagmar++
[20:00:14] Ace2016: what docs
[20:00:16] Ace2016: ?
[20:00:27] Dagmar: Ace: The ones on the wiki. The ones Google turns up for you.
[20:00:29] iamlindoro_: Anything you can find until every term and step makes sense to you
[20:00:33] Dagmar: ALl this is very, very documented already
[20:01:04] blackest: true that parker guys website is quiet good as is the ubuntu docs
[20:01:06] Ace2016: ALI?
[20:01:07] Dagmar: Like, that thing you pasted to the channel earlier about DisEqWhateva would have been a great thing to punch into Google. The whole line.
[20:01:46] Dagmar: Ace: If you have trouble parsing around capitalization errors in a full sentence that otherwise uses correct grammar and spelling, it's time you got back on the little bus and asked the driver to take you home.
[20:02:12] Dagmar: We like people who have specific, actual problems here.
[20:02:25] Ace2016: oh Ali is a person?
[20:02:27] Dagmar: We are not big fans of "read it to me" and "tell me what to do"
[20:02:43] Dagmar: Back on the short bus it is then.
[20:02:59] blackest: sat cards are fun to do you need to configure the lnb in addition to the normal stuff for dvb-t plus you need to find a load of sat info to find the frequencys symbol rate polarisation ect
[20:03:09] Dagmar: If you can't be bothred to actually try to solve your own problem, then it must not be important enough for anyone else to pay attention to.
[20:03:17] iamlindoro_: Cheesing... because it's fon 2 due
[20:03:26] Ace2016: found the symbol rate and info stuff, just need to do the lnb, but its crashing
[20:03:46] Dagmar: So punch the last thing it says into Google.
[20:03:46] iamlindoro_: Ace2016, by found do you mean asking me to link you to it... twice?
[20:04:07] Ace2016: yup
[20:04:16] iamlindoro_: Yep, you found it all right big guy
[20:06:38] neztit1: guys how i can add more than switch to the menu ? i have motor and 3 sats
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[20:08:02] Dagmar: I don't think MythTV works with big dish
[20:08:32] blackest: you might be better looking at a different system like tm9100
[20:09:07] blackest: add you own hdd streams over your network control it from a webpage
[20:09:24] iamlindoro_: blackest, Interesting, that's a neat little unit
[20:09:38] blackest: its not bad about £150
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[20:10:31] blackest: can use vlc for streaming its only sdd resolution thou and it does do a heck of a lot
[20:10:36] iamlindoro_: Ah, to live somewhere DVB-S was mildly useful
[20:10:54] blackest: europe you mean :)
[20:11:08] iamlindoro_: s/europe/anywhere but here/
[20:12:04] iamlindoro_: I could save a year's salary then go live in china for ten years and watch filthy satellite porno :)
[20:12:07] blackest: i did have a slingbox set up with it as well but slingbox can't do the tm9100 remote it does a tm1500 remote thou i used to let some american friends use it
[20:12:44] blackest: actually there might be an update i havent checked in 6 months
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[20:29:44] rkuris: Hello everyone! I have reversed the protocol used by SureWest cable here in Sacramento and have successfully connected mythtv over iptv. I'm new to the whole open source thing so I don't know where I should post a HOWTO or whatever. Any suggestions?
[20:30:09] iamlindoro_: The wiki at wiki.mythtv.org is a good start
[20:30:13] Dagmar: Umm.... You did what exactly?
[20:30:23] Dagmar: iptv?
[20:30:44] iamlindoro_: I also suggest that you take stock of what might run afoul of the law, and that is for your own good (that is, if you actually decrypted anything)
[20:31:33] rkuris: yes, iptv
[20:31:39] rkuris: nothing was decrypted
[20:31:50] rkuris: they apparently send their stuff in mpeg2ts
[20:32:00] iamlindoro_: Well then you didn't reverse anything
[20:32:03] rkuris: the only tricks are that they use IGMPv2 and such
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[20:32:20] rkuris: well, unless you can sniff their connection you can't tell what they are sending
[20:32:33] rkuris: so you can't figure out exactly what you should do to make it work with mythtv
[20:32:59] iamlindoro_: reverse engineered implies you needed to reimplement something-- them using a completely standards based approach means you "figured something out." anyway, just write a wiki article.
[20:33:17] rkuris: for example, to "watch" channel 1, you have to group subscribe to 225.1.100.1 port 2001
[20:33:36] rkuris: (not sure if that qualifies as "figuring something out")
[20:33:38] iamlindoro_: That's pretty much standard practice
[20:33:49] Dagmar: Sounds like multicast to me
[20:33:55] sid3windr: it is
[20:33:55] rkuris: yes, it is multicast
[20:33:58] Dagmar: ...which would be kinda nice
[20:34:18] Dagmar: That has been around for what, 12–15 years and it's just NOW seeing some use outside of universities?
[20:34:21] rkuris: ok I'll just put it on my user page on the wiki
[20:34:31] rkuris: unless y'all think there's a better place for it
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[20:34:44] iamlindoro_: there isn't
[20:34:53] rkuris: Actually, it's very cool because you can subscribe to multiple channels
[20:35:01] rkuris: unfortunately you have to set up multiple "tuners"
[20:36:44] spud1: Well, I got backend and frontend running but trying to watch live tv, I get "timed out waiting for recorder to start". Any tips?
[20:37:15] iamlindoro_: spud1, you should post the context, ie the backend log for that period of time
[20:37:26] iamlindoro_: or rather, pastebin it
[20:42:23] spud1: Yeah, ok. There's a lot I see I can work on in the logs myself right now. Thanks.
[20:42:26] rkuris: Hmm, it seems like the top line of all of my recorded videos is always garbage
[20:42:54] iamlindoro_: It's not garbage, it's VBI
[20:43:02] iamlindoro_: ie Close-caption encoding
[20:43:07] rkuris: oh!
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[20:43:42] rkuris: Hmm, I would guess there is a setting that makes myth not display that?
[20:43:58] iamlindoro_: You can crop video, yes. It's in playback settings
[20:44:08] rkuris: perfect thank you!
[20:44:10] iamlindoro_: np
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[20:58:15] rkuris: Okay I whipped up a user page... unfortunately, if someone searches for "SureWest" they get zippo unless they specify to search user pages
[20:58:31] Dagmar: Well, this isn't a problem.
[20:59:08] Dagmar: On your user page, make a little list that says "Here's some docuemntation I've written" and make one of the items named "IPTV support for SureWest" and create a new document with that
[20:59:30] Dagmar: Documents don't actually *have* to be linked from the top page.
[20:59:34] rkuris: Okay, I can do that! Thanks!
[20:59:53] Dagmar: I'm still hoping to find an appropriate place to link in the Executive_Overview of MythTV's operation that I wrote about a year ago
[21:00:10] Dagmar: Wiki's are *really* flexible things
[21:00:46] Dagmar: The only thing that's hard to change after the fact is a document's title, and even that's just a bit technical.
[21:02:07] Dagmar: At some point someone will probably need to go through and enumerate the various transport mechanims for sending video out to viewers.
[21:02:20] Dagmar: Then there will be a really clear place to link that from
[21:04:32] rkuris: Dagmar: ok, for now I'll just whip up "SureWest IPTV"
[21:05:13] rkuris: I have a 14K m3u file I'd like to publish too; do you think that's too big to inline?
[21:05:16] Dagmar: As AT&T begins rolling out their service, expect there will be more queries into IPTV
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[21:05:37] Dagmar: rkuris: An mp3 playlist?
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[21:05:48] rkuris: No, it's an m3u file required for IPTV
[21:05:52] Dagmar: ...and 14k isn't all that big actually.
[21:06:12] Dagmar: I take it that's the channel lineup basically?
[21:06:15] rkuris: yep
[21:06:22] rkuris: except it has IP addresses
[21:06:30] Dagmar: Enh I might stick it on my personal websspace or something and link to it from the wiki
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[21:06:39] rkuris: looks like #EXTM3U
[21:06:39] rkuris: #EXTINF:0,1 – LOOR001
[21:06:39] rkuris: #EXTMYTHTV:xmltvid=23309
[21:06:39] rkuris: udp://225.1.100.1:2001
[21:06:49] rkuris: (lots more of course)
[21:07:30] Dagmar: You might take a paragraph or two to explain the format of it and tell people they're going to need to make one for their service provider if it's different from the one you're providing for SureWest
[21:08:30] rkuris: That's already in the sources under README.IPTV and README.UDP
[21:08:36] Dagmar: Basically, the guideline I use is that anything that *everyone* can put to use is pretty much fair game for posting to the wiki
[21:08:50] rkuris: Well, not everyone has SureWest ;-)
[21:08:52] Dagmar: Stuff that's of limited scope, like that channel listing for a particular provider, stick on your own space somewhere and link it in
[21:08:58] Dagmar: Exactly.
[21:09:16] Dagmar: ...or if SureWest has that file up somewhere just link them to that
[21:09:21] rkuris: yeah right
[21:09:27] Dagmar: That way you don't have to worry about people fussing that your list is out of date
[21:09:32] rkuris: I doubt they want it published
[21:09:36] Dagmar: ...or worry about your list falling out of date
[21:09:52] rkuris: I'm sure it will get stale
[21:09:52] Dagmar: rkuris: Unless they've gone to a lot of troulbe to hide it, I doubt that
[21:10:15] rkuris: Well, they didn't encrypt even the premium channels
[21:10:17] Dagmar: For a lot of people, like me, if they know certain things like that are available without a fight, it can easily make the difference that causes them to switch to that servie
[21:10:22] rkuris: and on hi def
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[21:10:45] Dagmar: Now, if they're allowing just *everywhere* on the internet to access that, then that would be something you'd want to call them up about
[21:11:01] Dagmar: ..but the index of channels shoudln't be a problem for everyone to know about
[21:11:11] rkuris: Nah, you have to be on their private fiber for that to work
[21:11:16] Ace2016: iamlindoro_: the tables here: http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html what units are the frequencies in? kHz right?
[21:11:33] iamlindoro_: yes. So add three zeroes.
[21:11:34] Dagmar: Ah then try to just point people to where SureWest ahs that channel listing file posted
[21:11:43] Ace2016: oh
[21:11:54] Ace2016: that might just be one of the reasons for it not working
[21:11:55] rkuris: Dagmar: okay, and I'll include how to compute the IP from the channel
[21:12:06] rkuris: People can make their own; I did it using a perl script anyway
[21:12:09] Ace2016: i thought it was already in kHz
[21:12:13] Dagmar: rkuris: ...and the polite thing to do would be to link to the page they have it linked *on* instead of directly linking the document.
[21:12:19] iamlindoro_: They are
[21:12:33] Dagmar: That way SureWest still has a "voice" if there's anything speial they decide they need to say about that file before people download it
[21:12:37] Ace2016: so satellite transmissions operate in the GHz range?
[21:12:50] iamlindoro_: Ace2016, your math is completely backwards
[21:13:10] iamlindoro_: Those listings are in kilohertz. Myth/v4l-dvb expects them in hertz
[21:13:24] iamlindoro_: so you add three zeroes for Myth to express them in Hertz
[21:13:24] Ace2016: oh
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[21:13:36] Ace2016: but the menu said kHz
[21:14:00] Ace2016: maybe mythbuntu patched it?
[21:14:03] iamlindoro_: No
[21:14:10] iamlindoro_: for christ's sake
[21:14:22] iamlindoro_: It's still the same number
[21:15:04] iamlindoro_: I give up helping you, stop asking me
[21:15:14] Ace2016: :(
[21:16:24] iamlindoro_: It's also the third time I've explained that you add three zeros to the lyngsat values, so imagine my frustration at having to repeat everything three times
[21:16:41] iamlindoro_: So seriously. Ask the channel anything you like, but don't direct questions at me
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[21:18:16] Ace2016: ok
[21:19:46] PatrickDK: but iamlindoro :(
[21:20:23] Ace2016: in the scan configuration in mythbuntu it does say Frequency (kHz(: in the Scan Configuration section above Polarity:
[21:20:42] Ace2016: Frequency (kHz):
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[21:21:32] Dagmar: Put in whatever numbers you like
[21:22:43] iamlindoro_: I'll put in my luggage combination, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
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[21:24:17] PatrickDK: iamlindoro, that is a nice high freq, hope you ran good quality coax :)
[21:24:56] iamlindoro_: What's more, I patched myth to receive petahertz satellite
[21:25:11] Dagmar: Nasty petaphiliac
[21:25:14] iamlindoro_: It bores directly into your skull from above
[21:30:24] spud1: TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[21:30:24] spud1: TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1
[21:30:24] spud1: 1 NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back
[21:30:24] spud1: VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument
[21:30:24] spud1: 2008-06–20 16:16:41.021 TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None
[21:30:41] spud1: Sorry
[21:30:57] spud1: so, Igot this from log
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[21:39:33] spud1: OK. Got it.
[21:40:40] Anduin: spud1: so things work?
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[21:49:47] spud1: Yes, I got tv. Have to fix the channels.
[21:50:03] spud1: nd then sound.
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[22:38:14] Disputin: I have 2 backends one running .21–0.13 and one running .21–0.11etch.
[22:38:24] Disputin: both are debian machines and have run great for 2 years
[22:38:49] Disputin: today I found I couldn't access files on the slave backend (.21–0.11etch)
[22:39:16] Disputin: I finally looked in mythtv-setup and for the local settings it has come up with the settings for the master backend?
[22:39:26] Disputin: any ideas?
[22:40:16] Disputin: restarting mythtv-backend doesn't seem to have any effect....
[22:47:22] asathoor: I still have problems with automatic mythfilldatabase via anacron in Ubuntu. Errormessage is: xmltv returned error code 512
[22:48:07] fryfrog: isn't that setting universal?
[22:48:14] fryfrog: like, it has to be the same on all systems?
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[22:49:38] rkuris: Disputin: perhaps you have a corrupt filesystem?
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[22:53:36] Disputin: ?!?
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[22:54:05] Disputin: I'm not following how a corrupt filesystem will cause a backend to read the wrong data out of mysql
[22:54:23] Disputin: are you saying the mythbackend is corrupt somehow?
[22:56:56] cesman: Disputin: you aren't giving enough information
[22:57:10] cesman: Disputin: define "couldn't access files on the slave backend
[22:57:19] fryfrog: anyone interested in a dual xeon workstation mb + 2.4ghz cpus (4) and 1g ram to purchase? :)
[22:57:30] cesman: Disputin: MythTV will stream it's recorded files
[22:57:50] fryfrog: and mythvideo requires that the files be *in the same place* accross all frontends
[22:57:50] cesman: Disputin: are you talking about NFS? CIFS? Samba? SSHFS?
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[23:07:07] Disputin: ok, so the frontend server can't find files on another backend
[23:07:21] sid3windr: fryfrog: oh heh, I have the same for sale! ;)
[23:07:22] Disputin: the files are normally streamed, not nfs mounted
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[23:08:07] Disputin: but I have a feeling the backend isn't working correctly because the mythtv-setup only seems to be seeing one back end.
[23:08:28] Disputin: if I change the settings on the slave backend (for the localhost IP) then it changes on the master host
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[23:08:48] Disputin: the slave host is coming up with the wrong host information
[23:11:39] Disputin: let me try again
[23:11:52] Disputin: the frontend can't find files on the slave backend
[23:12:13] rkuris: Disputin: This happened to me when my filesystem containing the files got corrupted
[23:12:22] rkuris: are the files actually there if you run "ls" in your data directory?
[23:12:36] Disputin: yes they are all present
[23:13:02] rkuris: strange, dunno then
[23:13:08] rkuris: (of course I only have one host)
[23:13:08] Disputin: the slave host address backend setup settings are all wrong
[23:13:23] Disputin: it keeps displaying the master backend settings
[23:15:37] rkuris: Are you restarting the backend after changing the settings?
[23:17:16] Disputin: I tried changing the setting, that of course broke the master backend
[23:17:29] rkuris: broke how?
[23:18:12] Disputin: the host address backend setup display's the "host" name. For the case of the backend slave this hostname is incorrect
[23:18:23] Disputin: I changed it anyway, to the correct IP
[23:18:47] Disputin: then I checked the host address setup for the master backend, and now it's ip was for the slave backend.
[23:18:52] Disputin: So I changed it back
[23:19:07] Disputin: I checked the mysql.settings table and the entries for both backends are presetn
[23:19:22] Disputin: but the slave backend is finding the master backend settings
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[23:33:03] phrag: hi guys, where is the mythtv default mysql DB stored?
[23:33:57] sid3windr: in mysql.. :p
[23:34:31] phrag: so i just dump the db from there to back it up ?
[23:34:53] phrag: got it, sorry
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[23:35:51] fryfrog: sid3windr: really? what motherboard? mine is on an asus pc-dl deluxe
[23:36:26] sid3windr: intel shg2
[23:36:36] sid3windr: it's actually a server board and not a workstation board I guess ;)
[23:36:41] fryfrog: ah
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[23:45:50] rkuris: I have a mythweb bug that's been bugging me for a while... I have two tuners with overlapping channels that have different content on them, and mythweb will only display one of them
[23:46:08] rkuris: I am wondering if perhaps I can use very large channel numbers, like 1001 through 1999 to solve this problem
[23:46:55] rkuris: I think the mythfrontend won't support channels larger than 999, but I could be wrong
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[23:47:33] iamlindoro: you are indeed mistaken
[23:47:34] rkuris: anyone have any thoughts?
[23:47:47] iamlindoro: it will support whatever channel number you like
[23:48:11] rkuris: okay, that would be great then
[23:48:22] rkuris: Maybe I'm thinking of my STB
[23:48:31] Dagmar: That would be entirely too many channels.
[23:48:44] rkuris: I have more than 999 channels I think already
[23:48:53] rkuris: (some are overlaps of course)
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[23:50:06] rkuris: I have turned off the DMX channels, that saved me about 100 I think
[23:50:25] Dagmar: You know, ther'es bored kids in New Jersey who have NO tv at all
[23:50:34] Dagmar: You should be ashamed of yourself for hoarding it
[23:50:38] rkuris: ROFL
[23:51:05] rkuris: My chief complaint is how long it takes mythtv's webpage showing the program listing to load
[23:51:33] rkuris: 15 seconds later...
[23:51:44] rkuris: I actually had to increase PHP memory limits to get it to work
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