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| [00:01:01] | i_is_cat: | and ya we tried mythbuntu.. i dont remember the specifics of the issues we had with that distro in particular, but it was enough that we didnt use it for more than 5min |
| [00:02:06] | iamlindoro: | Well, as linuxmce *is* ubuntu, there's no reason it should be any different hardware support-wise |
| [00:02:24] | i_is_cat: | i know |
| [00:02:30] | i_is_cat: | we even tried kubuntu by itself |
| [00:02:51] | i_is_cat: | however getting the sound driver to work with plain kubuntu was more of an issue than with the linuxmce crap on top of it |
| [00:03:57] | iamlindoro: | Is there a good reason you couldn't spend more than 5 minutes getting things set up? Is this a "for dummies" box you're building for people, or...? |
| [00:04:10] | i_is_cat: | with slackware 12.1 only 1/3 of the lspci shows up unknown device |
| [00:04:25] | iamlindoro: | Something smells awfully fishy here, as I see lots of references to that hardware working fine with Ubuntu (among others) |
| [00:04:47] | i_is_cat: | no it probably booted to a limited shell and we just didnt wanna deal with crap like that before an actual install |
| [00:05:04] | i_is_cat: | the hardware *works* |
| [00:05:09] | iamlindoro: | Who is we? Is this some sort of commercial operation? |
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| [00:05:51] | i_is_cat: | its just a huge pain to configure and get working, and the *buntu's are probably the worst setup systems in terms of actual control i've seen its all apt-get this apt-get that which doesnt tell you wtf its really doing |
| [00:05:55] | iamlindoro: | I'm just trying to understand how it would be easier to try distro after distro rather than follow a few steps to make one work |
| [00:06:04] | i_is_cat: | we had it working |
| [00:06:16] | i_is_cat: | it just took 3 weeks and wasnt as nice as we wanted |
| [00:06:44] | iamlindoro: | ok, I'm not asking questions any more, bye bye, good luck, I'm clearly not going to penetrate the cloak of secrecy here |
| [00:06:50] | i_is_cat: | http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Gigabyte_ga-73pvm-s2h the steps on this page work for linuxmce sound but not ubuntu or kubuntu sound |
| [00:07:09] | i_is_cat: | explain that one to me? |
| [00:07:18] | i_is_cat: | we tried everything to get sound working but nothing |
| [00:08:48] | achew22: | iamlindoro: hey it works great |
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| [00:08:50] | achew22: | thanks so much |
| [00:09:28] | iamlindoro: | great, I'm glad to hear it! |
| [00:09:32] | i_is_cat: | iamlindoro, there is no cloak of secrecy, the facts are simple, the hardware shows up as "unknown device" in an lspci output on every distro we tried, lots of them wouldnt boot from cd dropping us into limited shells and crap kubuntu has steps to get sound working and it worked but the same steps and reinstalling alsa completely didnt help at all.. everything has just been 'too much' of a pain in the ass |
| [00:09:36] | iamlindoro: | now you will want to go through each channel |
| [00:09:54] | iamlindoro: | because if a channel or program is 5C, it will crash the backend sometimes |
| [00:10:12] | achew22: | iamlindoro: I went up the channels and it works thus far on 100+ channels |
| [00:10:49] | iamlindoro: | good stuff! I note you are west-US Comcast, we seem to have the better luck than most of the midwesterners and east coasters |
| [00:11:06] | achew22: | suckers! |
| [00:11:30] | i_is_cat: | it works, it just takes more effort than its worth to get it going, now we installed a real distro: slackware 12.1 and sound and network work fine out of the box, lirc, imon driver, ivtv, lcdproc, mythtv, all that stuff compiled configured very easily with little time and no extra pluto bullshit that literally deletes your hard configured files on you |
| [00:14:05] | i_is_cat: | sorry when i said " and crap kubuntu has steps to get sound working and it" i meant linuxmce, that is kind of confusing |
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| [00:22:09] | spud1: | Does pvr150 encapsulate the sound? |
| [00:23:11] | iamlindoro: | Depends on what you mean by "encapsulate." If you mean mux in with the video, then yes. |
| [00:23:31] | spud1: | ok |
| [00:24:14] | spud1: | just got mythbackend running, am working on sound |
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| [00:29:14] | dustybin: | spud1: good luck :-) |
| [00:29:21] | dustybin: | alsa is a bitch |
| [00:29:34] | dustybin: | its in the same place as lirc :P |
| [00:32:52] | spud1: | baby steps baby steps |
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| [00:53:04] | gizmobay: | lirc rocks |
| [00:53:12] | gizmobay: | once you get it setup |
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| [01:10:32] | spud1: | HOWTO Says you must use OSS to record from frame grabber recorders. would that, or would that not include pvr150? |
| [01:12:11] | iamlindoro: | does not |
| [01:12:28] | iamlindoro: | frame grabber = non-hardware encoding analog cards |
| [01:13:12] | spud1: | thanks |
| [01:15:03] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: are framegrabbers used to capture analogue output of STBs ? |
| [01:15:34] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: framegrabbers can be used to capture any analog output you like, be it STB or otherwise |
| [01:15:47] | dustybin: | ok |
| [01:15:55] | iamlindoro: | They're pieces of shit |
| [01:16:03] | dustybin: | lol |
| [01:16:24] | dustybin: | ive found a interesting link for people who might want to setup a diskless frontend |
| [01:16:32] | dustybin: | on debian: http://www.logilab.org/card/DebianDisklessTerminalHowto |
| [01:16:57] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: Why would one follow that over the many many myth-specific netboot howtos? |
| [01:17:52] | dustybin: | ok ill have a look |
| [01:18:13] | iamlindoro: | or even better, the Mythbuntu three-click netboot? |
| [01:18:30] | dustybin: | wow nice: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Diskless_Frontend |
| [01:18:46] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: 3 click net boot? how does that work? |
| [01:19:03] | iamlindoro: | You pull down which architecture, click to generate the image, click to turn it on. The end |
| [01:19:14] | iamlindoro: | From the Mythbuntu control center, that is |
| [01:20:14] | dustybin: | ill have to take a look! |
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| [01:22:40] | dustybin: | i always thought PXE was done within the BIOS |
| [01:22:52] | dustybin: | but you still need to boot from some kind of media to activate it |
| [01:23:04] | dustybin: | maybe CF Card, USB drive, CD etc |
| [01:23:07] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [01:23:20] | iamlindoro: | PXE can do all the work, no media needed |
| [01:23:38] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: does that need to be turned on in the BIOS |
| [01:24:05] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: If the only place to access your network card options is in the bios, then yes. If you use a standalone network card, it likely has its own settings |
| [01:24:26] | dustybin: | ok |
| [01:24:43] | iamlindoro: | If your network card is onboard, it should be no more difficult that setting your boot order to put netboot above everything else |
| [01:24:47] | Dagmar: | You need support *in* the BIOS for PXE (or a boot floppy, or USB thumbdrive) but thta's about it |
| [01:25:14] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: if its a PCI card you will need to boot something to activate it |
| [01:25:16] | Dagmar: | Most newer stuff boots from the network just fine now. |
| [01:25:25] | Agrajag-: | i have a diskless frontend with standalone network card, i had to turn pxe on in the bios |
| [01:25:32] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: no, it will likely just have its own BIOS-type setup |
| [01:25:41] | dustybin: | ok |
| [01:25:59] | Dagmar: | Remember all those 10base-T cards with teh empty sockets in them? |
| [01:26:12] | Dagmar: | That socket was made to hold a wee chip that would boot the machine from the network. |
| [01:26:17] | dustybin: | i rememeber ages ago in the amiga days i created a ram disk and booted the OS from ram, boy did it load fast |
| [01:26:22] | dustybin: | is there a linux way of doing that? |
| [01:26:29] | Dagmar: | That sort of kit is pretty much just built into stuff now, particularly motherboards with integrated NICs |
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| [01:28:44] | dustybin: | Dagmar: the thing i dont understand is, dont you need to put in IP address of the server what holds the image you want to boot from? |
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| [01:29:04] | dustybin: | how does PXE know where to look? |
| [01:29:09] | GreyFoxx: | DHCP options are your friend |
| [01:29:15] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [01:29:38] | Dagmar: | It's basically just "more BOOTP fiddlingness" |
| [01:29:53] | dustybin: | there are lots of advantages to having a diskless frontend: less heat, less noise, cost |
| [01:30:02] | Dagmar: | PXE brings to X86 what all those Sun boxes have had for ages |
| [01:30:17] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: We're the ones explaining how netboot works to *you*... we *know* the advantages |
| [01:30:20] | dustybin: | + less electic used |
| [01:30:23] | Dagmar: | lol |
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| [01:31:16] | Dagmar: | Perhaps we need to teach him the disadvantages |
| [01:31:30] | Dagmar: | Hm... I needs me some coffee. |
| [01:33:49] | dustybin: | "Netbooting can be slower than booting from the hard drive — depending on network speeds, it can be much slower. " |
| [01:34:19] | dustybin: | "In addition, if there is limited memory on the client, swap time is potentially slower over the network. The hard drive used by the peripheral PC remains on the central Core, so in effect, the effective "bus speed" becomes the data transmission speed of your network. " |
| [01:34:23] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: You are worse than clever! Don't quote in here, we *know* this shit |
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| [01:34:29] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [01:34:50] | iamlindoro: | Or at least have the decency not to have just asked how it all works before lecturing |
| [01:35:11] | dustybin: | i thought you might of been interested thats all :-( |
| [01:35:38] | iamlindoro: | Why would we want/need to know when we were just telling *you* how it works?? |
| [01:36:53] | dustybin: | they could also cause kernel panics, maybe a small silent 2.5" notebook drive would be better |
| [01:37:14] | iamlindoro: | |
| [01:37:22] | iamlindoro: | Good call, don't bother trying, jsut vie up while you still can |
| [01:37:28] | iamlindoro: | er give up |
| [01:38:23] | iamlindoro: | I've never had a kernel panic via netboot, myself |
| [01:38:25] | dustybin: | i might set one up anyway just to see how it works, if it doesnt work out i can always install a hd |
| [01:41:07] | Varak_: | how can i make recordings take up less space? I don't want the alternate audio and less resolution would be fine |
| [01:41:32] | iamlindoro: | Varak_: What type of capture card? |
| [01:41:44] | Varak_: | skywalker 1 dvb |
| [01:41:49] | iamlindoro: | If you are using a digital tuner, then you will have to transcode after the fact |
| [01:42:02] | Varak_: | ok |
| [01:42:18] | iamlindoro: | So look into the documentation section on transcoding |
| [01:42:25] | Varak_: | will do, thanks |
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| [01:44:44] | Varak_: | I'm already doing the trranscode thing to flag commercials, i guess it will also somehow remove commercials and save as a smaller file? |
| [01:45:00] | Varak_: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Transcode_Video doesn't really say |
| [01:45:42] | Varak_: | what transcode format do i want? |
| [01:45:42] | iamlindoro: | you need to load the commercial list as a cutlist to be able to transcode out commercials. See the article on "removing commercials" |
| [01:45:51] | iamlindoro: | It's entirely up to you |
| [01:46:20] | Varak_: | well, I'm looking for a format that removes the extra crap and reduces the filesise signifigantly |
| [01:46:43] | iamlindoro: | formats have nothing to do with size, compression settings do |
| [01:46:45] | Varak_: | by extra crap i mean other lang, i under stand commercials are sepreate |
| [01:46:50] | Varak_: | ok |
| [01:47:11] | Varak_: | any suggestions on a compression format" |
| [01:47:12] | Varak_: | ? |
| [01:47:16] | iamlindoro: | to make smaller, crank the bitrate down. To preserve quality, keep bitrate high |
| [01:47:21] | iamlindoro: | no such thing as a compression format |
| [01:47:24] | Varak_: | ok |
| [01:47:45] | Varak_: | is this something i setup in the backend? |
| [01:47:50] | iamlindoro: | MPEG-2 is low CPU, but takes a bit more space. h.264 takes a beefy processor to be able to play, but compresses very well |
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| [01:47:59] | Varak_: | I saw I could specify job 1 -4 but didn't see where to define those |
| [01:48:10] | Varak_: | ok |
| [01:48:26] | iamlindoro: | Varak_: all of these answers are *in the documentation* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . _Commercials |
| [01:48:57] | Varak_: | aah thank you |
| [01:49:00] | iamlindoro: | anyway, gotta go |
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| [02:21:00] | Dagmar: | Man... did everyone just *forget* about XviD? |
| [02:21:22] | Dagmar: | XviD is good middle ground between x264 and mpeg |
| [02:21:49] | Dagmar: | It compresses well and doesn't require "MOAR MEGAHURTS" to play back. |
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| [02:34:29] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: Nobody forgot about XviD, but those of us struggling to avoid re-interpreting the manual are sometimes rushed |
| [02:35:47] | gizmobay: | Does PIP still work? |
| [02:36:03] | Dagmar: | Probably |
| [02:36:19] | Dagmar: | I'd have had to have watched TV live in the last six months to know for sure |
| [02:36:25] | gizmobay: | wonder why mine is broken |
| [02:36:43] | Dagmar: | Do you have two tuners? |
| [02:36:52] | gizmobay: | yes |
| [02:36:59] | gizmobay: | one HD the other SD |
| [02:37:07] | Dagmar: | Hmm |
| [02:37:20] | gizmobay: | I see in the logs it says external tuner failed |
| [02:38:00] | gizmobay: | use to work |
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| [03:28:11] | wagner: | you should be able to do PIP with just your HD tuner |
| [03:29:35] | purserj: | I can do PIP with my single SD/HD tuner |
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| [03:30:12] | iamlindoro: | Quentusrex: The question should be "can I output via HDMI on linux," as Myth is just an X application. If you can get HDMI working in linux, you can use it in myth. |
| [03:30:14] | Quentusrex: | Can I output video and audio over hdmi from mythtv to my HD tv? |
| [03:30:23] | iamlindoro: | I'M A MIND READER! |
| [03:30:29] | Quentusrex: | Does mythtv support audio over hdmi? |
| [03:30:54] | iamlindoro: | Quentusrex: Again, nothing to do with Myth, everything to do with linux/alsa/Xorg |
| [03:31:05] | Quentusrex: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [03:31:07] | iamlindoro: | In general, video via HDMI works in ATI, nVidia, and Intel |
| [03:31:17] | Quentusrex: | and audio? |
| [03:31:19] | iamlindoro: | audio works on *some* of each |
| [03:31:39] | iamlindoro: | You will need to google the specific card you have in mind, linux, and hdmi audio |
| [03:31:41] | Quentusrex: | is there a list? |
| [03:31:45] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [03:31:47] | Quentusrex: | ok, thanks |
| [03:31:50] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [03:31:59] | Quentusrex: | integrated graphics card? |
| [03:32:06] | iamlindoro: | That doesn't tell anything |
| [03:32:30] | iamlindoro: | figure out the GPU chipset, and google that + linux + hdmi audio |
| [03:32:42] | iamlindoro: | then trust the newest info |
| [03:32:54] | Quentusrex: | thanks |
| [03:33:02] | iamlindoro: | lspci |grep -i VGA is a good tool |
| [03:33:17] | iamlindoro: | but you can google on your own, don't just come back asking us to find out for you ;) |
| [03:33:29] | iamlindoro: | 'cause all we'll do is google and get frustrated with you, heh |
| [03:34:10] | Quentusrex: | thanks |
| [03:34:28] | Quentusrex: | if I'm trying to find out about the audio, do I need to google the audio chipset |
| [03:35:55] | iamlindoro: | no, either your GPU has a set of headers to pass through SPDIF audio from the audio chipset, it has its own audio hardware, or it has no audio support whatsoever. Only google knows |
| [03:36:11] | iamlindoro: | You might also try "nameofyourmotherboard linux hdmi audio" |
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| [03:37:46] | iamlindoro: | Generally speaking, the HDMI audio situation in linux is very poor, in large part because the HDMI audio situation on most GPUs is poor/nonexistent |
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| [03:39:33] | Quentusrex: | is lcpm relavent |
| [03:40:03] | iamlindoro: | Quentusrex: Relevant to what? LPCM is just a type of audio |
| [03:40:29] | wagner: | for HDMI, i dont see much purpose to using anything but LPCM |
| [03:42:06] | iamlindoro: | wagner: Then it's a shame there are no HDMI 1.3 compliant cards w/ linux support |
| [03:42:33] | wagner: | i thought pre-1.3 could still do 5.1 |
| [03:42:47] | wagner: | or can it do no better than 2.0? |
| [03:42:53] | iamlindoro: | I don't think more that 2 channel pre 1.3 |
| [03:43:02] | iamlindoro: | er than |
| [03:44:00] | wagner: | you know, thats just ridiculous, compared to the video, LPCM uses inconsequentially little bandwidth |
| [03:44:02] | Dagmar: | Hey, anyone else but me ever thought of making case badges with Shrinky-Dinks? |
| [03:44:15] | decev: | hi everyone |
| [03:44:28] | wagner: | i dont know what shrinky-dinks are |
| [03:44:33] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Far as I know you'd be right. |
| [03:44:50] | Dagmar: | THe PS3 is about hte only thing going right now that can send more than two channels of uncompressed audio over HDMI. |
| [03:45:01] | iamlindoro: | I think it's because pre 1.3 It's pretty much single link DVI, and 1.3 is the dual-link equivalent... heck, they're kinda lucky to have squeezed any audio in pre .13 :) |
| [03:45:16] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: Did I hear correctly that it will be fixed in firmware, or no? |
| [03:45:24] | iamlindoro: | oh never mind, misread |
| [03:45:24] | Dagmar: | wagner: You never saw those as a kid? They were plastic sheets you draw on with colored pencils, and then you put 'em in the oven for a bit and they shrink to about 1/3 of their former size and get thicker. |
| [03:45:39] | iamlindoro: | some firmware update added DTSHD and MLP, right? |
| [03:45:39] | MrMunkily: | that's a pretty good idea |
| [03:45:41] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: All I've seen about that has been purely speculation |
| [03:45:41] | wagner: | pre-1.3 is basically single link DVI with audio |
| [03:45:53] | wagner: | 1.3+ is basically single link DVI, at double the clock rate |
| [03:45:56] | iamlindoro: | Weird, I feel like I just said that |
| [03:46:01] | Dagmar: | I mean, it SHOULD be possible for most devices to be firmware-upgraded to handle that |
| [03:46:07] | Dagmar: | ...but no one's done it yet that I'm aware of. |
| [03:46:17] | wagner: | dual link physically has double the pins |
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| [03:46:34] | Dagmar: | I only know about it because of all the bullshit I went through to get GTA4 doing 5.1 audio (because I like to hear where the cops are coming from). |
| [03:46:43] | iamlindoro: | ergo dual-link equivalent, not literally dual link |
| [03:47:04] | Dagmar: | ANyway, back about the Shrinky-Dinks, they make ones that you can feed through an inkjet printer now. |
| [03:47:10] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [03:47:14] | Dagmar: | It's like $10 for a pack of several sheets of the stuff. |
| [03:47:55] | decev: | does anyone know how well linux supports purevideo? I understand that there's no mpeg4 yet but can linux still make use of the mpeg2 hardware decoding? |
| [03:48:05] | Dagmar: | If you want to screw around with it, the next time you go out to eat someplace, see if they've got a takeaway bin that's made with #6 plastic (basically, 95% of the clear plastic food holders use this) |
| [03:48:09] | iamlindoro: | decev: not at all |
| [03:48:11] | wagner: | pre-1.3 supports multichannel LPCM, but i remember there being something about there not being enough bandwidth if youre using 1080p60 video |
| [03:48:17] | iamlindoro: | decev: wrt purevideo anyway |
| [03:48:31] | iamlindoro: | decev: There is XvMC which is a tiny bit of MPEG-2 accel |
| [03:48:45] | iamlindoro: | decev: But better left alone if you have a decent CPU |
| [03:48:54] | decev: | ok |
| [03:48:57] | wagner: | wikipedia doesnt seem to have any information on the pre-1.3 limitations |
| [03:49:03] | Dagmar: | Wash it off, cut out a big square, score one side of it with sandpaper or steel wool, draw what you like, and then pop it in the oven after Googling "DIY Shinky-Dinks" so you know what temperature to put the oven on |
| [03:49:30] | decev: | i was wondering because i'm about to buy a motherboard and hopefully use the onboad video |
| [03:49:41] | Dagmar: | In about 10 minutes the piece will be much smaller, but about twice as thick as a credit card. |
| [03:50:08] | cesman: | is anyone using 17466 of fixes or greater? |
| [03:50:12] | decev: | so the 7050pv would be a bad choice i suppose, i should go with the 8200 onboard instead? |
| [03:50:17] | decev: | nvidia i mean |
| [03:50:20] | Dagmar: | Why would that be a bad choice? |
| [03:50:24] | Dagmar: | Hell, that's what I just ordered. |
| [03:50:25] | iamlindoro: | decev: Why would it matter? |
| [03:50:35] | Dagmar: | It works with the nVidia driver so XvMC accelleration should be no problem. |
| [03:50:36] | iamlindoro: | since they'll perform identically in linux |
| [03:50:40] | cesman: | I compiled w/ --runtime-prefix and and MYTHTVDIR set, however it cannot file mythcommflag (in /usr/bin) |
| [03:51:07] | decev: | oh they will? ok |
| [03:51:10] | Dagmar: | cesman: Put the whole path to mythcommflag and mythtranscode in the place in the settings where you set the names of those programs. |
| [03:51:12] | wagner: | the 7050pv is perfectly fine for now |
| [03:51:29] | wagner: | but you may want to get the 8200 due to some ill conceived hope that nvidia will support more in the future |
| [03:51:35] | iamlindoro: | decev: By which I mean "they'll both paint shit on the screen and perform next-to-no hardware accel" |
| [03:51:36] | decev: | good i just wasnt sure if i was going to get any hardware accell out of it |
| [03:51:44] | Dagmar: | Not like this will matter too much but I just wrote up the what and *why* of the hardware I ordered for the new frontend at http://evildagmar.livejournal.com |
| [03:52:07] | wagner: | does nvidia have CUDA compilers for linux? |
| [03:52:20] | decev: | iamlindoro: lol well i hope that's not the case but there's always that gfx card slot in case it doesnt work out |
| [03:52:22] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't dream of playing say, WoW with the 7050 but it's got all it needs to deal with XvMC |
| [03:52:45] | Dagmar: | wagner: No idea. Lookikng now |
| [03:52:50] | Dagmar: | Actally, it damn well should be out there |
| [03:53:07] | decev: | i'm just going for smooth 720p |
| [03:53:14] | Dagmar: | There's multiple .edu sites using the things for computational acelleration and I"m damn sure they're not doing that on Windows |
| [03:53:29] | gizmobay: | PiP doesn't work with XvMc |
| [03:53:42] | iamlindoro: | Ah, yet another reason to never ever use XvMc |
| [03:53:46] | wagner: | well nvidia has their tools available for download for linux |
| [03:53:46] | Dagmar: | decev: I fully expect that the X2 4600+ CPU I'm putting in will eat 720p up |
| [03:54:12] | Dagmar: | ...and it's kinda hard to buy *less* CPU than that now |
| [03:54:25] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: Why does live journal make me sacrifice a chicken just to read a blog post? |
| [03:54:25] | cesman: | arghhhhhhhhh |
| [03:54:26] | Dagmar: | It was freakin $55 for the CPU |
| [03:54:31] | decev: | yeah i have a 5000+ on the way from a good deal on slickdeals |
| [03:54:31] | cesman: | Dagmar: thanks |
| [03:54:32] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Eh wot? |
| [03:54:39] | decev: | but i didnt buy the mobo yet |
| [03:54:41] | gizmobay: | My guide is very slow without XvMc |
| [03:54:42] | Dagmar: | You have a problem clicking something saying you're at least 14? |
| [03:54:44] | decev: | which mobo did you get? |
| [03:54:44] | wagner: | i was originally planning on learning how to program for the Cell for HPC purposes, but graphics cards seem to have left its ability behind long ago |
| [03:54:50] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: I just jumped through like 14,000 screens to read the post ;) |
| [03:54:53] | Dagmar: | I could turn that off, but I occasionally use naughty words when I post something |
| [03:54:56] | Dagmar: | Oh weird. |
| [03:55:21] | Dagmar: | When I punch in evildagmar.livejournal.com here it "just works" |
| [03:55:24] | iamlindoro: | I clicked that, then it goes to a list of posts, but you can click the post name. So I click the Index. Then I click today. Then I click the thing about adult content, again." |
| [03:55:34] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: I imagine because you're a member/cookied |
| [03:55:39] | iamlindoro: | er but you can't |
| [03:55:41] | Dagmar: | Cookied maybe. Member, no. |
| [03:55:53] | Dagmar: | ...adn I've never seen it do anything but just gimme the blog on any machine I"ve used |
| [03:56:12] | Dagmar: | Maybe I'm just so used to clicking that 14+ warning now that I ignore it |
| [03:56:39] | Dagmar: | I'm serious when I say 8 year olds probably might not be well served by reading my writings, even without the occasional blue language. |
| [03:56:42] | wagner: | yeah, two clicks and i got in |
| [03:56:53] | Dagmar: | It's best they keep believing they might actually grow up to be president someday for as long as they can. |
| [03:56:56] | wagner: | i didnt even have to get into noscript to enable javascript |
| [03:57:17] | iamlindoro: | Sites behave differently per-browser ya know, I'm not an idiot |
| [03:58:04] | Dagmar: | Ooh laptop battery at 4%! |
| [03:58:19] | Dagmar: | TIme to bail from the coffee house and go back home before I have to apologize to my filesystem |
| [03:58:27] | wagner: | heh |
| [03:58:42] | wagner: | at 4%, youre probably already doing permanent damage to the li-ion cells |
| [03:59:09] | wagner: | of course my laptop drains the secondary battery completely before starting onto the primary |
| [03:59:12] | wagner: | im a bit concerned about that |
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| [04:08:34] | wagner: | well my $215 and 1.5TB of hard drive space is in the mail |
| [04:08:34] | wagner: | i now need to figure out something to do with my old 300s |
| [04:08:34] | decev: | i cant even imagine 1.5tb right now |
| [04:08:34] | wagner: | 750GBs on sale at newegg for $100, today only |
| [04:08:34] | wagner: | (plus shipping) |
| [04:08:34] | decev: | seagate by any chance? |
| [04:08:34] | wagner: | in fact, yes |
| [04:08:34] | wagner: | seagate and samsung |
| [04:08:46] | wagner: | it requires a promo code, so you can only order one hard drive at a time |
| [04:08:53] | decev: | i was going to order a 500gb seagate but i may do a 750 instead now |
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| [04:16:10] | decev: | so does anybody know of a way to somehow get digital cable and still use two tuners |
| [04:16:24] | iamlindoro: | Erm... use a splitter? |
| [04:16:31] | iamlindoro: | or do you mean when capturing from a STB? |
| [04:16:37] | iamlindoro: | in which case, use two STBs |
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| [04:18:22] | decev: | you can use two stbs? |
| [04:26:10] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot | |
| [04:26:11] | decev: | i wonder if it would be possible to use mythtv to record and still use the stb to watch live tv |
| [04:26:44] | wagner: | youre going to be running mythtv off the same video output as the TV |
| [04:26:46] | wagner: | so no |
| [04:27:42] | decev: | even with two tuners in the stb? man i cant stand cable companies |
| [04:28:06] | wagner: | usually the only dual tuner STBs are their DVR units |
| [04:28:26] | decev: | yeah that's the one we have now |
| [04:29:23] | wagner: | im guessing it still only has one video output |
| [04:29:39] | jdahm: | so I'm trying to install the svn version of mythtv right now, and I think the prereqs have changed since the wiki was written on it |
| [04:30:16] | jdahm: | ie qt4 is now a prereq |
| [04:30:16] | jdahm: | are any of the others different? |
| [04:30:16] | wagner: | yes, dont do it unless youre a developer |
| [04:30:16] | iamlindoro: | jdahm: If you mean trunk, hopefully this is for development and not daily use |
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| [04:30:31] | jdahm: | iamlindoro: is it really broken right now? |
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| [04:30:47] | wagner: | its going to be broken until all the qt4 stuff is finished |
| [04:31:20] | jdahm: | oh too bad |
| [04:31:20] | jdahm: | well I'l install some kind of backport or the like |
| [04:31:20] | iamlindoro: | jdahm: Broken enough that everyone if being strongly advised not to use it for daily use-- it is FAR different than it was before trunk when I upgraded each week |
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| [04:31:44] | wagner: | the 21-fixes branch works just fine |
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| [04:35:01] | jdahm: | wagner: hm, interesting, but I would like to have it really stable. I think I'll use an old version. Are there drastically fewer features in the debian-multimedia.org version? |
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| [04:35:22] | wagner: | im using the fixes branch on two machines without trouble at the moment |
| [04:35:51] | jdahm: | wagner: with qt4? |
| [04:36:06] | wagner: | fixes branch, not trunk |
| [04:36:27] | jdahm: | wagner: yeah I get that, so it's qt3? |
| [04:36:33] | iamlindoro: | jdahm: trunk is the only qt4 myth, everything else is qt3 |
| [04:36:41] | jdahm: | iamlindoro: ok |
| [04:36:46] | wagner: | yeah, fixes is just a recent version of 0.21 |
| [04:37:08] | wagner: | fixes *should* always be perfectly fine for production |
| [04:41:10] | decev: | i cant wait to find out how much renting two stbs costs |
| [04:41:32] | wagner: | twice as much as renting one stb |
| [04:41:54] | wagner: | last time i paid for cable, they charged us $7/box/month |
| [04:44:19] | wagner: | they may even give you a discount for multiple boxes |
| [04:44:19] | decev: | actually looking at this bill it looks like it should be the same as it is now |
| [04:44:19] | decev: | because they charge 10 bucks extra for the DVR box |
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| [04:52:22] | jdahm: | is the debian-multimedia testing version ok? |
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| [04:53:51] | ffs: | i did my install on top of a existing mythbuntu install, it doesnt work, when i use the livecd it does work- more specifically the doesnt work looks like the card is not being seen, i grep dmesg for bttv and have no entries... why wouldnt the card driver load in ubuntu install but will on the live cd ? yes locate bttv does return results... |
| [05:03:53] | decev: | before i buy this motherboard... there's no advantage in getting one with hdmi out as opposed to dvi out correct? As HDMI audio isn't really supported by anything anyway |
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| [05:25:10] | ffs: | think of hdmi as dvi+ |
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| [05:39:33] | wagner: | it seems i need a new DVD binder, 8 slots left |
| [05:39:46] | banyan: | Hello! Is everything in place for a mythtv installation using a pvr-350 as one x display and a legacy nvidia card as another x display to update to FC9? or are there little hanging issues that are yet to be resolved? |
| [05:40:27] | wagner: | you are using said system currently, and want to update to FC9? |
| [05:43:01] | banyan: | I am using said system on f8. I've got two machines and tried to update the other one to f9. Had lots of issues, that are just now mostly resolved. |
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| [05:44:50] | banyan: | the machine still won't start kde in a vnc server session when it is started as a service for instance. |
| [05:45:18] | wagner: | ive never used FC, so i cant tell you |
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| [06:35:05] | bfg: | ok so is there anyone here who is a admin person ? |
| [06:35:10] | bfg: | i did my install on top of a existing mythbuntu install, it doesnt work, when i use the livecd it does work- more specifically the doesnt work looks like the card is not being seen, i grep dmesg for bttv and have no entries... why wouldnt the card driver load in ubuntu install but will on the live cd ? yes locate bttv does return results... |
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| [06:44:23] | levander: | I finally paid for a Schedules Direct membership rather than doing it the free way. Problem is, after doing a new Video Source in mythtv-setup, all the channel numbers are right, but all the channel names are "Adding...". |
| [06:44:28] | levander: | Anybody know how to fix? |
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| [06:49:53] | Quentusrex: | I'm looking to build a mythtv box that can output video and audio over hdmi |
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| [06:50:19] | robbins61: | hmm... |
| [06:50:33] | wagner: | if you can do it in linux, you can do it in mythtv |
| [06:50:34] | Quentusrex: | is this currently possible? |
| [06:51:27] | wagner: | there seems to be some patches for ati cards that allow the audio passthru to work |
| [06:51:53] | wagner: | ive also heard that some board with onboard graphics and sound cards will work using the spdif output |
| [06:52:34] | wagner: | you can also get an external multiplexer (but theyre expensive) |
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| [06:52:49] | Quentusrex: | I'd rather have internal |
| [06:53:47] | Quentusrex: | isn't spdif different than hdmi |
| [06:53:51] | wagner: | supposedly the 177.x series drivers will enable audio passthru |
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| [06:54:27] | wagner: | yes, spdif is digital coax, but i came across some forum stating thats how some Abit boards worked |
| [06:54:43] | wagner: | the 'spdif' channel in ALSA got routed through the hdmi port |
| [06:54:52] | levander: | I get this error when I use MythDVD. I remember it's common, but I don't remember what causes it: "ERROR: Failed while running mytharchivehelper to get stream information from "/var/lib/mythtv/videos/CONNECTIONS_DISC_1.iso" |
| [06:55:52] | levander: | Damn, google says it's because I'm trying to burn from an ISO. |
| [06:56:01] | Quentusrex: | so the linux driver(or bios driver) routes the spdif audio through the hdmi port+cable? |
| [06:56:39] | wagner: | the realtek chip, on certain abit boards, supposedly does |
| [06:56:59] | wagner: | nvidia rev 177 is available in beta |
| [06:57:39] | Quentusrex: | linux drivers? |
| [06:57:45] | wagner: | yes |
| [06:58:20] | wagner: | i assume thats for descrete cards with spdif passthru |
| [06:58:29] | wagner: | the cards have a spdif input on the board |
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| [06:59:53] | wagner: | i dont know of any solutions (linux or windows) capable of spitting out the more advanced hdmi audio modes |
| [07:00:10] | wagner: | they all just use an spdif passthru |
| [07:00:16] | levander: | What ripping format should I choose for ripping a DVD, pulling it out of the myth box, putting a blank DVD in, the writing what you ripped to this blank DVD? I've been choosing ISO as the format, but now myth doesn't support burning ISO's. |
| [07:00:31] | wagner: | so there is no advantage in doing so, besides you have one cable instead of two |
| [07:02:42] | wagner: | there are much better programs available if youre just doing a dvd duplication |
| [07:03:05] | levander: | wagner: like? |
| [07:05:04] | Quentusrex: | wagner is there a way for mythtv to play blueray disks? |
| [07:05:33] | wagner: | dvdshrink can be run under WINE, K9Copy, dvdbackup |
| [07:05:44] | Gumby: | Im reading the mythtv.org wiki about the flash player and getting mythweb to stream compressed videos. It says at the top that it is outdated but doesnt say why. Can anyone tell me why this is so and where I might look for more current info? |
| [07:06:12] | wagner: | older bluray disks can be ripped to hard disk, have the aacs stripped, and subsequently be played from the hard disk |
| [07:06:30] | wagner: | there is no direct method to play bluray or hddvd |
| [07:06:48] | wagner: | also, newer bluray stuff uses BD+, which can only be stripped by anydvd, a windows app |
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| [07:07:37] | wagner: | gumby: that setup was designed for mythweb 0.20, mythweb 0.21 has better options built in |
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| [07:08:11] | Gumby: | wagner: is there a way to watch compressed video in mythweb now? |
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| [07:08:41] | Gumby: | I am already running 0.21 |
| [07:09:04] | wagner: | if you open up one of the recordings, there should be an 'asx stream' option |
| [07:09:19] | wagner: | it may require VLC to be installed, ive never used it personally |
| [07:09:29] | Gumby: | yeah, its still too high bandwidth wise |
| [07:09:56] | Gumby: | maxes out my upload speed over the wan (~130kb/s) |
| [07:10:21] | Gumby: | I guess I need to transcode first possibly |
| [07:10:23] | wagner: | if you go into the settings section, mythweb, video playback |
| [07:10:30] | wagner: | you can set the resoution and bitrate for streaming |
| [07:10:51] | Gumby: | ok, I'll have a look there. thank you |
| [07:11:31] | bfg: | i have tried two different tuner's one pci and one usb and neither one is appaering in my computer |
| [07:11:44] | bfg: | how do i look to see if my computer can see they are pluged in ? |
| [07:12:24] | wagner: | lspci, lsusb |
| [07:12:59] | bfg: | thanks wagner :-) |
| [07:13:04] | bfg: | i was using lsmod and dmesg |
| [07:13:13] | bfg: | and no mention in either... |
| [07:13:17] | bfg: | will check lspci and lsusb |
| [07:13:20] | bfg: | thanks |
| [07:13:22] | wagner: | you may have to install packages |
| [07:13:33] | wagner: | they did not come preinstalled on my system (gentoo) |
| [07:14:03] | wagner: | if you have the drivers properly set up, or improperly set up, something should appear in dmesg |
| [07:14:06] | bfg: | lspci doesnt see the pci card |
| [07:14:15] | bfg: | checking lsusb to see if that sees the usb adaptor |
| [07:15:16] | bfg: | eMPIA Technoligy |
| [07:15:19] | bfg: | so it sees something |
| [07:15:27] | bfg: | but well – its not escriptitve |
| [07:15:39] | bfg: | i was told that bttv was part of the kernel insall on ubuntu |
| [07:15:45] | bfg: | so i was presuming it would be working |
| [07:15:55] | bfg: | the pci card was installed when the os was intalled |
| [07:15:56] | wagner: | i wouldnt know |
| [07:16:04] | bfg: | so it seemed logical that it should be detected and installed |
| [07:17:35] | bfg: | i get hal udi is /og/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_ebla_2870_noserial_if0 |
| [07:17:40] | bfg: | in syslog |
| [07:17:43] | bfg: | when its pluged in |
| [07:17:53] | bfg: | new device is added... hal udi is... |
| [07:20:37] | ** Gumby isnt sure his mythtv is new enough to have come with the options for mythweb that wagner is talking about ** | |
| [07:20:52] | wagner: | well it came with 0.21 |
| [07:20:57] | wagner: | im trying to get it working myself |
| [07:21:26] | wagner: | although i have mythweb running on a dedicated (virtual) machine |
| [07:21:45] | wagner: | so ive got to nfs mount the recordings, compile ffmpeg, update some other shut |
| [07:21:48] | Gumby: | I'm trying on the same machine is the backend for now. |
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| [07:22:07] | Gumby: | will figure out moving it to my webserver after that |
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| [07:24:17] | wagner: | well if you enable that page i mentioned to go to, it will transcode on the fly to some embedded flash player |
| [07:24:23] | wagner: | thats not what the asx stuff is |
| [07:24:39] | wagner: | and those settings were in mythweb, not mythfrontend or mythtv-setup |
| [07:25:09] | wagner: | the asx stream is a direct stream, no recompression |
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| [07:29:23] | Gumby: | wagner: are you talking mythtv-setup or just utilities/setup in mythfrontend? |
| [07:29:30] | Gumby: | oh |
| [07:29:44] | wagner: | :) |
| [07:30:57] | Gumby: | all I see is a protocol stream, thats it |
| [07:31:38] | Gumby: | ah, I see now |
| [07:33:38] | Gumby: | not sure where in mythweb the stream appears though. |
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| [07:34:07] | wagner: | go into recorded programs, and then click on one of the images on the left |
| [07:34:36] | wagner: | well after downloading perl mysql libraries, direct download works, asx stream does not |
| [07:34:48] | Gumby: | ah, bingo |
| [07:35:12] | Gumby: | no audio, but thats an ffmpeg issue. |
| [07:35:44] | Gumby: | all howtos seem to say compile with --enable-mp3lame but the current cvs doesnt allow that as an option |
| [07:35:50] | Gumby: | which howto are you reading? |
| [07:35:52] | wagner: | heh |
| [07:36:08] | wagner: | none, im just doing it manually off what the error logs are telling me |
| [07:36:59] | piksi: | is mythbackend configurable from command line without the need for completely redundant gui setup? |
| [07:37:24] | piksi: | i mean – it just feels futile to install x on a server simply to configure the backend :-) |
| [07:37:49] | wagner: | so dont install X, only install the minimal X libraries and forward it to a box that has X |
| [07:38:13] | wagner: | or, use something like VNC |
| [07:38:30] | otwin: | piksi: X11 forwarding – have a look at ssh -X |
| [07:39:12] | piksi: | i know i can forward it but imo even the sole need of x for configuring is frustrating |
| [07:39:29] | piksi: | i'd just love to have a .conf in /etc |
| [07:39:41] | wagner: | well if youre feeling adventurous, you can manually program the SQL database |
| [07:39:46] | wagner: | but that is not advised |
| [07:40:12] | otwin: | piksi: all the config is done in a db, if you want CLI you can run mysql queries |
| [07:40:54] | piksi: | i know it pops the configs into a db, but a gui isn't mandatory for automating/facilitating such things ;-) |
| [07:41:05] | piksi: | and no, i don't have time for nonsense like configuring the db myself |
| [07:41:13] | piksi: | oh well, i'll just tunnel x to some other machine |
| [07:41:30] | piksi: | i was merely interested if there was another choice besides the x config |
| [07:41:45] | wagner: | at the moment, no |
| [07:42:34] | wagner: | although you need the libraries necessary for forwarding, to have compiled it in the first place |
| [07:42:43] | wagner: | so you shouldnt have to do anything additional |
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| [07:51:53] | wagner: | now for the lengthy ffmpeg compile... |
| [07:55:02] | levander: | wagner: I just read your list of rec'd dvd backup programs. Are those any better than gnome-baker for any reason? |
| [07:55:09] | levander: | I think they all use the same backend. |
| [07:57:14] | wagner: | well considering dvdshrink is a windows app running under WINE, it absolutely doesnt use the same backend |
| [07:57:20] | wagner: | but besides that, ive never used any of them |
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| [07:57:52] | wagner: | i was just listing off a number of purpose build programs, rather than trying to shoehorn such ability into mythtv using an IR remote |
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| [07:58:35] | levander: | wagner: Ah, so you're saying I could configure myth somehow so that it would run those commands to burn a dvd? |
| [07:58:59] | levander: | What is a purpose build program? |
| [07:59:06] | levander: | I guess that's what I don't understand. |
| [08:00:42] | wagner: | the mytharchive plugin was only intended to allow burning of recorded TV, it was never intended to duplicate DVDs |
| [08:01:05] | wagner: | so if it even can do it, youre going to have a hell of a time figuring out how to do so |
| [08:01:17] | wagner: | its better to do it on a desktop with one of those programs |
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| [08:03:25] | wagner: | you can edit the menu system to call one of those applications directly from mythtv |
| [08:03:36] | wagner: | but you would still have to figure out how to control it with the remote |
| [08:04:39] | levander: | yeah, i'll just pop up gnome baker and try it |
| [08:04:42] | levander: | thanks wagner |
| [08:05:05] | wagner: | ffmpeg is finished! |
| [08:05:27] | Dibblah: | ffmpeg'll never be finished :( |
| [08:05:38] | wagner: | compiling... locally... |
| [08:06:36] | Dibblah: | Nope. No witty retort. Sorry :) |
| [08:07:34] | wagner: | how about... 'ill finish it off with this magnet here' |
| [08:08:38] | bfg: | hey wagner – once i can see my device in lspci – what would you say is my next step ? |
| [08:08:52] | bfg: | Multimedia controller: Twinhan Technology Co. Ltd Mantis DTV PCI Bridge Controller [Ver 1.0] (rev 01) |
| [08:09:28] | wagner: | install the v4l-dvb drivers |
| [08:10:01] | ** bfg runs to google to find them ** | |
| [08:10:29] | bfg: | thanks wagner |
| [08:11:55] | wagner: | 512x384 @608kbit doesnt look too bad |
| [08:12:44] | wagner: | although it would be nice if the raw (transcoded) stream were available to play in external players |
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| [08:13:05] | wagner: | ive never been much a fan of flash players |
| [08:13:39] | wagner: | theres no preload indicator either |
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| [08:14:53] | wagner: | kills the transcode nice a quick after the page is closed |
| [08:16:04] | ** bfg notes that video4linux was installed but i am doing a reinstall of all of it now... ** | |
| [08:18:34] | bfg: | wagner – v4l is insalled and v4l-conf returns no /dev/video as does v4l-info – is there a modeprobe or something that should be done to associate the driver with the device ? |
| [08:18:36] | wagner: | run lspci with '-vv' for some more descriptive information on your card |
| [08:19:27] | bfg: | 01:06.0 Multimedia controller: Twinhan Technology Co. Ltd Mantis DTV PCI Bridge Controller [Ver 1.0] (rev 01) |
| [08:19:28] | bfg: | Subsystem: Twinhan Technology Co. Ltd Unknown device 0028 |
| [08:19:28] | bfg: | Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- |
| [08:19:28] | bfg: | Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- |
| [08:19:28] | bfg: | Latency: 32 (2000ns min, 63750ns max) |
| [08:19:30] | bfg: | Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 5 |
| [08:19:31] | bfg: | Region 0: Memory at ed000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K] |
| [08:19:33] | bfg: | Capabilities: <access denied> |
| [08:21:26] | wagner: | do you know the actual model name? |
| [08:21:29] | directhex: | digital tv does not use /dev/video* |
| [08:21:41] | directhex: | it uses folders in /dev/dvb/ |
| [08:21:51] | wagner: | model '0028' seems to work, but i have no idea what it actually is |
| [08:21:53] | bfg: | its a twinhan dtv ter 3028 |
| [08:22:37] | bfg: | i have no /dev/dvb either.... |
| [08:23:06] | wagner: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TwinhanDTV_Mini_Ter |
| [08:23:55] | wagner: | i think its a slightly different model, but it should be close enough |
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| [08:25:46] | bfg: | i followed the instructions from mlug... even when to the shop they said to go to get the tuner card.... they also demoed it how to do it one time... |
| [08:26:24] | bfg: | i know it works cause i have used it on the live cd.... |
| [08:27:04] | wagner: | no idea, im going to bed |
| [08:27:39] | directhex: | do you have the actual module loaded? |
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| [08:34:24] | bfg: | i am going to try a reboot... |
| [08:34:25] | bfg: | again |
| [08:34:26] | bfg: | :-) |
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| [08:34:48] | Gumby: | hi all. I seem to have the mythweb player working for video but I get no audio. ANyone know with this might be? my ffmpeg is compiled with --enable-libmp3lame (which I read elsewhere that it needs to be) |
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| [08:38:10] | ffs: | well that hasnt done a heck of a lot |
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| [10:01:44] | bfg: | crikie – ok so i found my THIRD tuner, and that one actually WORKS |
| [10:01:54] | bfg: | so i have a usb and a pci tuner that dont work |
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| [10:02:05] | bfg: | ideas to make the pci tuner work would be greatly appricated |
| [10:03:56] | directhex: | tuners listed on the linuxtv website are generally suggested |
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| [10:43:12] | bfg: | am i here or is this a figment of my imagination ? |
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| [12:02:59] | AndyCap: | bfg: what do the voices tell you? |
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| [12:10:30] | gbee: | disappointed with Firefox 3, thought they might have added blocking of flash content from specific servers to the context menu |
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| [12:13:16] | directhex: | gbee, isn't that adblock's job? |
| [12:13:32] | gbee: | not in Opera and even firefox allows image blocking |
| [12:14:25] | gbee: | just seemed like a logical extension of the image blocking they already offered, but clearly no-one at Mozilla thought so |
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| [12:20:53] | justinh: | afternoon |
| [12:23:19] | justinh: | what's with all the 1990s threads being ressurrected on the mailing list lately? ;) |
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| [12:41:57] | quicksilver: | nostalgia |
| [12:42:02] | quicksilver: | the 1990s were so much better |
| [12:47:56] | banyan: | what specifically do people get dewy-eyed about? |
| [12:50:16] | GreyFoxx: | the average tech IQ was higher |
| [12:51:03] | GreyFoxx: | Besides, I loved watching the bubble around 98'99 :) |
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| [13:20:27] | justinh: | hahaha yet another type of flash memory we can't use cos it's not sandisk |
| [13:27:40] | justinh: | and can I find sandisk 1GB RS MMC cards anywhere? heheheh |
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| [13:31:44] | justinh: | methinks some code is gonna have to be cajoled into working |
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| [13:59:08] | blinx: | heyho, Mythtv is configured as in several howtos described. Now I want to watch TV but I can hit the TV button in mythfrontend as much as I want. No reaction. What is wrong and how can I fix my problem? |
| [14:00:46] | directhex: | what does your frontend log say is wrong? |
| [14:00:58] | justinh: | and what does your backend log say is wrong? |
| [14:01:00] | justinh: | hmmm? |
| [14:01:03] | blinx: | and yes, the backend is running. As well I started mythfilldatabase. In the info tab under EIT section the status is described as "successful" but under this: "no program information available" |
| [14:01:10] | blinx: | directhex: sec |
| [14:03:15] | blinx: | *wonder* now it works, I only waited 2mins |
| [14:03:55] | blinx: | anyway how can I get the sound working with pulseaudio? |
| [14:04:40] | blinx: | ah, I see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=776739 |
| [14:11:37] | blinx: | hehe: alsa:pulse :) |
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| [14:13:20] | netpro25: | anyone using the appletv with mythtv? |
| [14:15:34] | keith4: | I wonder if there's any chance of cramming linux on this thing, and turning it into a myth frontend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882511024 |
| [14:16:01] | netpro25: | lol i just looked at that this morning too thinking the same |
| [14:16:12] | netpro25: | thats why i went back to the apple tv its cheaper and its possible |
| [14:17:00] | keith4: | well, maybe for SD |
| [14:17:17] | keith4: | you're really better off with a mac mini, though |
| [14:17:18] | netpro25: | appletv? you dont think it will work for hd? |
| [14:17:46] | netpro25: | well i was torn between building something or getting apple tv |
| [14:17:53] | keith4: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . n_an_AppleTV |
| [14:18:11] | netpro25: | yea i was looking at that |
| [14:18:19] | justinh: | appletv won't work for real HD, no |
| [14:18:35] | justinh: | your crappy mpeg2 which gets passed off as HD, maybe |
| [14:18:50] | keith4: | heyh |
| [14:18:58] | keith4: | by "your", you mean "the US"? |
| [14:18:58] | netpro25: | so I guess thats out of the question |
| [14:19:34] | justinh: | keith4: yup |
| [14:19:46] | justinh: | in Europe, forget all about HD on an appletv |
| [14:19:46] | keith4: | netpro25: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/270610 |
| [14:20:45] | netpro25: | ah only offically supports 720p |
| [14:20:57] | justinh: | and will only play mpeg2 in linux |
| [14:21:13] | justinh: | .. at that res |
| [14:21:31] | netpro25: | as opposed to what format |
| [14:21:40] | justinh: | as opposed to what real HD comes in |
| [14:21:44] | justinh: | h.264 |
| [14:21:49] | netpro25: | hm |
| [14:22:16] | justinh: | forget all about the useless toy & get a real frontend :) |
| [14:22:24] | netpro25: | thats mpeg4 right? |
| [14:22:56] | keith4: | i built a frontend that will handle anything I throw at it, for about $500 |
| [14:23:08] | keith4: | but the next one I need... will be a mac mini |
| [14:23:16] | justinh: | h.264 is h.264 |
| [14:23:23] | netpro25: | justinh: its so clean looking though ;-) gonna go for the big and beautiful |
| [14:23:26] | justinh: | not 'mpeg4' as such |
| [14:23:50] | justinh: | but MUH, it looks nice. MUH, looks nice is all well & good but fuck all use if it's er.. useless ;) |
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| [14:24:13] | netpro25: | justinh: exactly |
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| [14:25:16] | netpro25: | my other option was this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128090 |
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| [14:26:09] | keith4: | ew |
| [14:26:10] | keith4: | ATI |
| [14:26:20] | netpro25: | keith4: yes, sucks in linux |
| [14:26:29] | netpro25: | but i have an nvidia card i can throw in it |
| [14:26:35] | keith4: | screw that |
| [14:26:39] | keith4: | hold on... let me find you one |
| [14:27:23] | keith4: | this is what I have |
| [14:27:25] | keith4: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188021 |
| [14:27:27] | netpro25: | since AMD bought ATI seems like most AMD based MB's are ATI chipsets |
| [14:28:02] | netpro25: | keith4: does everything work in linux hdmi etc |
| [14:30:30] | keith4: | i dunno. i happened to have a DVI -> HDMI cable around, so I used that |
| [14:30:48] | keith4: | but... it's nvidia, so I don't see why it wouldn't be well-supported by linux |
| [14:31:00] | netpro25: | keith4: yes |
| [14:31:27] | keith4: | the guy who gave it a 1 egg review is an idiot... it does 1920x1080 just fine |
| [14:31:28] | blinx: | how can I deactivate a channel lock? |
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| [14:36:02] | justinh: | pff. mileage allowance, due to be axed in august has been extended til the end of january next year. better than a smack in the face with a hammer |
| [14:36:29] | thoraxe: | man i need to get an hdtv so i can quit using silly tvout |
| [14:36:30] | thoraxe: | heh |
| [14:37:19] | justinh: | yeah I mean SDTV looks just fine on a proper TV. only on a flat panel can it truly look blocky & horrible as it should :P |
| [14:38:00] | dustybin: | agree, my SDTV looks lovely on my 24" CRT |
| [14:38:09] | dustybin: | SDTV looks HD |
| [14:38:20] | justinh: | HQ not HD :P |
| [14:38:47] | justinh: | dustybin: you forget we've not had to tolerate shitty NTSC, so the jump to HD isn't such a leap for us |
| [14:39:08] | dustybin: | justinh: my aunts big LCD, SDTV actually looks pretty smooth, think some kind of upscaling is going on |
| [14:39:18] | directhex: | sorry, but anyone claiming SD is HD is an idiot. the problem is the obvious differences are most noticable on exactly the kind of thing they don't use to showcase it |
| [14:39:20] | justinh: | our tellies never had a hue control to stop skin tones looking blue |
| [14:39:30] | directhex: | e.g. animation |
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| [14:42:32] | dustybin: | ive installed ff3 on my gentoo desktop and my os x laptop, ive installed mozilla weaver and sync'd the bookmarks and passwords, i just cleaned up all my bookmarks on my desktop, now im on my laptop and hey presto! |
| [14:44:09] | dustybin: | this is the best thing since sliced bread :-) |
| [14:44:29] | justinh: | not eating bread is the best thing since sliced bread :) |
| [14:49:12] | directhex: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZZXslsLDLs – chavtastic |
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| [14:50:08] | justinh: | hahahaha |
| [14:50:30] | justinh: | warming up for a darwin award :) |
| [14:50:34] | directhex: | http://www.b3ta.cr3ation.co.uk/data/gif/omnomnombleeahchav.gif |
| [14:52:11] | dustybin: | directhex: topic |
| [14:52:23] | justinh: | dustybin: ssssh! |
| [14:52:39] | directhex: | dustybin, offtopic! |
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| [14:55:05] | justinh: | directhex: "He is going to hate Tetris for the rest of his life" .. LOL |
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| [15:08:04] | EvilGuru: | haha |
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| [15:14:48] | iamlindoro_: | Mentioning of VIA on the -users list should result in immediate raid by black-hooded individuals and all myth-related material confiscation. It's *2008*, people. |
| [15:15:07] | directhex: | also, "limbo of the lost" is possibly the most fun videogame for years. not the "insert and run on pc" part, but the "spot which other game art assets have been stolen from" minigame being played on the internets |
| [15:15:22] | thoraxe: | iamlindoro_: ok, and i have an athlon xp board that runs linux and myth wonderfully. it has a via chipset. |
| [15:15:35] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, their next-gen chip is meant to be a real boy! li,e out-of-order execution & everything! |
| [15:15:45] | ** iamlindoro_ sits patiently and imagines the sound of helicopters approaching thoraxe's house ** | |
| [15:15:53] | thoraxe: | lol |
| [15:16:06] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, yep, VIA sure have a long history of following through on marketing promises, all right ;) |
| [15:16:21] | justinh: | mpeg4 video acceleration? YAY! |
| [15:16:23] | EvilGuru: | directhex: Nah, 1996 called and said they wanted their Pentium Pro back |
| [15:16:35] | justinh: | oh, divx & xvid, not h.264 :P |
| [15:17:13] | directhex: | EvilGuru, c7 isn't even up to pentium pro standards. remember "idt winchip", a late-era ultrabudget pentium2 competitor designed for old socket7 boards? |
| [15:18:11] | EvilGuru: | You'd think they would be there by now... |
| [15:18:54] | iamlindoro_: | If you don't know me by now, you will never never never know me... |
| [15:19:35] | directhex: | EvilGuru, c7 is a tweaked, die-shrunk winchip |
| [15:20:02] | EvilGuru: | And there I was thinking they re-designed something |
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| [15:22:50] | AndyCap: | still, via has gotten impressive mileage out of that old thing. :) |
| [15:23:37] | iamlindoro_: | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA |
| [15:23:38] | iamlindoro_: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008-June/225677.html |
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| [15:24:10] | iamlindoro_: | Must. Read. Followups |
| [15:25:18] | EvilGuru: | Guess he has never heard of valgrind :/ |
| [15:25:49] | iamlindoro_: | Oh read the followups, he just refuses to use it on account of... HE'S USING A VIA! |
| [15:26:01] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [15:26:01] | justinh: | what a prize cock |
| [15:26:07] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [15:26:22] | GreyFoxx: | I restrained my response :) |
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| [15:26:35] | EvilGuru: | "My word isn't enough?"!?! |
| [15:26:38] | GreyFoxx: | heheh |
| [15:26:41] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [15:26:43] | iamlindoro_: | I loved that part |
| [15:26:53] | |Torg|: | but its leaking all over the cpu and fan, its making such a mess |
| [15:27:29] | Dibblah: | Personally, I think it may be an issue with trunk. Since that's what he's running. |
| [15:27:30] | iamlindoro_: | There is no post in this thread that is not hilarious |
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| [15:28:50] | EvilGuru: | Recording 3 channels 24/7? |
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| [15:29:55] | iamlindoro_: | "Help, help! I'm using myth in a totally unsupported use case, running trunk for no reason! Running any relevant diagnostic tool would inconvenience me! What can I do to be taken seriously so long it requires no more effort than running 'ps -ef'?" |
| [15:30:23] | iamlindoro_: | Won't someone think of the USERZZZZZZZ? |
| [15:30:32] | justinh: | rifles! aim! fire! |
| [15:31:07] | PatrickDK: | he wants someone to reproduce his setup? |
| [15:31:20] | PatrickDK: | hmm, people have a hard time to reproduce things |
| [15:31:31] | justinh: | well, take it as read that his is one order for mythtv we won't be getting :) |
| [15:31:33] | |Torg|: | it does make you wonder if he could svn trunk code and compile it why he would have problems producing reports |
| [15:31:58] | PatrickDK: | justinh, why not? sounds like he needs it :) |
| [15:32:00] | iamlindoro_: | alas, alack, how will we ever sell our quota? |
| [15:32:21] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, if you can't increase volume this week, then we're gonna have to let you go |
| [15:32:54] | iamlindoro_: | Aw, don't you worry about ol' gil, he'll pull through |
| [15:33:03] | justinh: | I was showing mythtv off to a guy at work yesterday. "so how come I've never heard of this before?" he asks. Don't even go there, I said |
| [15:33:34] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.magitek.nu/gil/jobs.shtml#job4 |
| [15:33:35] | directhex: | In I Don't Want To Know Why The Caged Bird Sings Gil is gunned down by robbers on his first day as a bank security guard |
| [15:34:30] | EvilGuru: | noes! |
| [15:34:44] | justinh: | Guess I should think twice about opening that 'mythtv sucks' ticket then :P |
| [15:35:32] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, the christian bug report. "i don't need evidence, i have the written word: 'word'. see?" |
| [15:35:40] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
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| [15:36:11] | justinh: | that really was an out-loud laugh |
| [15:38:07] | stoneymonster: | "doctor, I don't feel good" |
| [15:38:12] | stoneymonster: | "what's the problem?" |
| [15:38:16] | stoneymonster: | "YOU SHOULD KNOW!!!" |
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| [15:38:42] | iamlindoro_: | Other users list pet peeves? Reversing of the values in resolutions. |
| [15:38:52] | ** cesman ducks as doctor pulls out uzi and blows patient away ** | |
| [15:39:03] | iamlindoro_: | "I'm trying to run in 1080x1920..." |
| [15:40:23] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: you mean mythtv doesn't support portrait mode? sheesh! |
| [15:40:28] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro turn your monitor sidways :) |
| [15:40:43] | stoneymonster: | Dear mythtv-users at mythtv.org June 80% 0FF |
| [15:40:50] | iamlindoro_: | heh, like those stupid mall signs nowadays |
| [15:41:06] | iamlindoro_: | or $AnyNewsChannel |
| [15:41:16] | Lynet: | iamlindoro_: Elective surgery to the neck might fix that. |
| [15:41:25] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds... ouchy |
| [15:46:10] | justinh: | Dear mythtv-users at mythtv.org – incredible 80% off wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man |
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| [15:47:27] | Andreaz: | hehehe, the ticket locking thread is the top ticket today, huh? :) |
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| [16:01:58] | Max___: | Im getting the following error with mythtv: Protocol version mismatch (frontend=31,backend=40) how do i fix this error? |
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| [16:03:17] | sebrock: | update your frontend |
| [16:03:35] | Max___: | how? |
| [16:03:55] | Max___: | (using xandros on the eeepc i believe |
| [16:04:19] | justinh: | you believe?! |
| [16:04:38] | Max___: | i was talking about xandros not the eeepc |
| [16:04:48] | justinh: | even so, you should still know |
| [16:05:01] | Max___: | true. |
| [16:05:05] | justinh: | but yes sebrock is right you need to update your frontend |
| [16:05:47] | justinh: | make em run the same version, but I suspect you're running trunk.. which right now is not the wisest thing in the world unless you're out to help debug mythtv (in which case, good on ya!) |
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| [16:08:04] | justinh: | they make me wonder sometimes, those folks who don't know what distro they're running |
| [16:10:06] | Lynet: | "It came with my PC", I s'pose. Will probably see more of that now that linux pre-installed is becoming more usual. |
| [16:11:48] | justinh: | even so |
| [16:14:21] | Lynet: | I know, I agree. Just an effect of Linux becoming more popular. |
| [16:15:11] | justinh: | wouldn't be as much of an issue if more distros shared more than a mere shred of commonality ;) |
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| [16:16:14] | justinh: | right. time to off myself |
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| [16:40:27] | sebrock: | gonna try debian instead of mythbuntu today |
| [16:41:36] | iamlindoro_: | Hope you like compiling all your multimedia stuff |
| [16:41:58] | iamlindoro_: | If you are an advanced user, this will not phase you, but rather moisten your panties |
| [16:42:18] | ** PatrickDK has moist panties ** | |
| [16:43:32] | iamlindoro_: | since debian-multimedia apparently still thinks -fixes branches are for pussies |
| [16:43:43] | sebrock: | mmm I noticed now... there is no debian stuff in repo |
| [16:44:05] | sebrock: | suckage... mythbuntu makes my discs go crazy |
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| [17:15:45] | thoraxe: | sebrock: mythdora? |
| [17:15:54] | thoraxe: | sebrock: and define "go crazy" |
| [17:16:15] | ** PatrickDK wants to know who's bright idea it was to join mythtv with dora the explorer ** | |
| [17:16:38] | thoraxe: | PatrickDK: wrong dora my friend |
| [17:16:53] | PatrickDK: | :) |
| [17:16:56] | thoraxe: | PatrickDK: you might want to try #hentai for dora the explorer :P |
| [17:17:07] | PatrickDK: | already tried :) |
| [17:17:11] | thoraxe: | hm... i wonder if that counts as child porn |
| [17:17:29] | PatrickDK: | hmm, in that case, no I haven't |
| [17:17:33] | thoraxe: | ahahahahaha |
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| [17:25:14] | wagner: | somehow cartoons have managed to remain 'disturbed porn', rather than 'child porn' |
| [17:25:24] | wagner: | so Dora the Explorer is still OK! |
| [17:26:27] | directhex: | not for long, in the UK anyway |
| [17:26:51] | directhex: | that's 12 gig of "gadget" from "chip & dale rescue rangers" i'll have to delete |
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| [17:27:14] | wagner: | damn, i loved that show |
| [17:27:32] | wagner: | i used to have a tshirt that had to be washed daily, so i could continue to wear it, daily |
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| [17:28:26] | wagner: | so all animated porn is out? |
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| [17:28:53] | wagner: | its personally not my thing, but i dont see anything inherently wrong with it |
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| [17:30:13] | directhex: | non-photos of anyone considered underage. which is a bit weird really, since the usual argument is "the people in the pictures are victims", and at least dodgy schoolgirl hentai givs pervs a victim-free outlet |
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| [17:31:21] | wagner: | i understand the photo-realistic CG stuff is a gray area, but i dont see the harm in anything obviously cartoon |
| [17:31:22] | AndyCap: | directhex: who said it should be logical? |
| [17:33:33] | wagner: | well once you let laws be based off emotion, its all downhill |
| [17:33:37] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [17:33:43] | directhex: | AndyCap, if the logic-free argument is "ZOMG, THINK OF TEH CHILDRINZ", then i think removing any outlets for pervs is... ill advised |
| [17:34:12] | AndyCap: | directhex: quite. |
| [17:34:41] | PatrickDK: | such heavy off-topics today |
| [17:35:01] | PatrickDK: | well, I'm going go take a shower, amoung other things |
| [17:35:38] | AndyCap: | of course, letting them keep their animated pornography, lets them thumb their nose at the moral upstanding citizenry |
| [17:36:34] | wagner: | it all depends on what morals you're using |
| [17:36:49] | PatrickDK: | people have morals? |
| [17:36:59] | AndyCap: | no. :) |
| [17:37:47] | wagner: | unless someone actually comes out with a study indicating a link between cartoon sex, and an escalation to violent acts, they're not harming anyone |
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| [17:38:28] | AndyCap: | the moral majority of course. The same that endorse "Miss teen" beauty pageants, while reviling photovoting internet sites. |
| [17:39:10] | wagner: | its almost a pre-crime, criminalizing someone to prevent someone from committing some possible future act |
| [17:39:26] | AndyCap: | thoughtcrime. :) |
| [17:39:32] | EvilGuru: | Minority Report. |
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| [17:40:33] | directhex: | AndyCap, miss preteen, usually |
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| [17:41:30] | wagner: | yeah, the hell with child molesters... the parents who put their kids through that are sick bastards |
| [17:41:31] | AndyCap: | directhex: well, that was the competition that the newspaper was promoting here, whilst on the next page damning a site where boys and girls post alluring pictures of themselves. |
| [17:42:24] | |Torg|: | actually there are stuides that show online pornography actually reduce sexual violence, not the other way arround |
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| [17:43:01] | AndyCap: | |Torg|: don't ruin this with facts |
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| [17:43:41] | ** AndyCap goes to watch brasseye ** | |
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| [17:44:23] | directhex: | AndyCap, i'm sure there was a sun article where they were decrying something like the ability to have sex in "the sims" next to an article about how 15-year old harry potter acress emma watson was starting to grow tits |
| [17:44:42] | AndyCap: | ZOMG |
| [17:46:30] | |Torg|: | there are several studies that have been done by various countries, all conclude there is no link, or that the effect is to reduce sex crimes |
| [17:46:46] | |Torg|: | most of the stuides are well over 20 years old, but they have proven over and over there is no link |
| [17:47:07] | jroysdon: | The "meds" at a psych ward keep the patients tame too |
| [17:47:13] | |Torg|: | in 1984 the US did a stuidy and when they found they could not link porn to sex crimes came up inconcusive |
| [17:47:16] | jroysdon: | Doesn't address the root problems though |
| [17:50:38] | AndyCap: | jroysdon: first one needs to know what the root problem is though. |
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| [17:53:36] | jroysdon: | I have a reading list suggestion: http://www.loyalmen.com/colebooks.htm |
| [17:53:47] | PatrickDK: | andycap, how dare we understand the root cause |
| [17:53:53] | PatrickDK: | that is no way to make return customers |
| [17:54:04] | PatrickDK: | for their theropy sessions |
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| [17:55:55] | AndyCap: | jroysdon: um, what's that got to do with the psych ward? |
| [17:56:12] | sebrock: | thoraxe, no mythbuntu and by go crazy I mean kjournald and pdflush are constanlty writing to my HD... which basically will kill it in no time |
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| [17:56:43] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: well, lobotomy doesn't make return customers either, but that didn't stop them from doing it. |
| [17:57:25] | wagner: | yeah, i heard they do it all the time at Recall |
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| [17:58:11] | EvilGuru: | sebrock: Not true. |
| [17:58:50] | EvilGuru: | Google's hard disk study found that there is no correlation between disk live and usage (so if it is being written to or not) |
| [17:58:52] | AndyCap: | sebrock: do you happen to be running a firefox 3 which is plagued with fsync problem? |
| [17:59:18] | AndyCap: | kjournald and pdflush doesn't write to the disk for the hell of it. |
| [17:59:30] | AndyCap: | they only follow orders. |
| [17:59:35] | wagner: | typical usage, not. head thrashing, yes. |
| [18:00:00] | wagner: | but a properly maintained system should rarely get thrashed |
| [18:00:05] | thoraxe: | sebrock: dunno what either of those utils do. have you tried mythdora? |
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| [18:01:09] | sebrock: | EvilGuru, I base that from what the manufacturer says, not google |
| [18:01:30] | thoraxe: | sebrock: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-369759.html don't know if this will help |
| [18:01:48] | wagner: | i dare say google does more real-world testing than the manufacturer |
| [18:01:57] | thoraxe: | does kjournald have to do with disk journaling? |
| [18:01:58] | sebrock: | AndyCap, not running firefox 3, this is from a fresh started system |
| [18:02:02] | EvilGuru: | sebrock: I believed everything manufacturers said I would have a $499 ethernet cable right about now |
| [18:02:34] | thoraxe: | apparently it does |
| [18:02:37] | AndyCap: | EvilGuru: no,no,no. It's an audio cable, whole different story |
| [18:02:43] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [18:02:45] | sebrock: | wagner, I'll let google do the searching...only |
| [18:02:54] | wagner: | i also believe papers published in journals over marketing spiel |
| [18:03:09] | jroysdon: | hmm, I'm trying to upgrade from 2.0.10 to 2.5.1. I follow the steps – I disabled my plugins, extracted the contents, copied over my wp-config.php, upgrade runs fine, but then I get no content on my base page |
| [18:03:09] | EvilGuru: | sebrock: To provide such searching they have 100,000's of systems. These systems have hard disks |
| [18:03:21] | jroysdon: | Any idea what I should check for first? |
| [18:03:24] | sebrock: | mm thats a point |
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| [18:03:31] | directhex: | AndyCap, it was the daily star, and charlotte church. http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/Monobrow/star-1.jpg |
| [18:03:36] | EvilGuru: | http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
| [18:03:53] | sebrock: | thoraxe, been reading that already |
| [18:03:57] | sebrock: | no luck |
| [18:04:09] | AndyCap: | directhex: hahaha. and look. Brass Eye. |
| [18:04:28] | wagner: | jroysdon: what are you trying to update? those numbers are unfamiliar |
| [18:04:43] | directhex: | AndyCap, indeed. "brass eye is sick filt... ZOMG, 15-year-old titties! STARE AT THEM!" |
| [18:04:54] | sebrock: | anyway, its not very nice or usefull in any way to have them write to the disc 1–2 times per second when there is no changes to anything and plenty of RAM to use |
| [18:05:08] | EvilGuru: | 1–2 times a second is nothing |
| [18:05:12] | sebrock: | blink..blink..blink..blink |
| [18:05:28] | sebrock: | on a fresh system it is, I never seen that before |
| [18:05:33] | EvilGuru: | I have seen servers which do 100+ I/O ops a second without breaking sweat |
| [18:05:34] | wagner: | thats the fault with a journalling file system, every transaction must be written to disk |
| [18:05:35] | jroysdon: | wagner: OOOH, wrong channel. hah. wordpress |
| [18:05:45] | sebrock: | this is on a completely idle system |
| [18:06:13] | sebrock: | EvilGuru, this is in no way a server but a myth frontend |
| [18:06:32] | wagner: | the actual data can be held in memory for considerable time, but each write has to be immediately logged to non-volitile storage |
| [18:07:11] | sebrock: | wagner, no point in writing swap as its not even beeing used and kjournald should not do anything unless any process on the system did anything |
| [18:07:35] | EvilGuru: | sebrock: How do you know a process is not doing anything? |
| [18:07:37] | sebrock: | tried fstab with "noatime" to disable kjournald from acting on file reads, no luck |
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| [18:07:50] | EvilGuru: | Have you straced them? |
| [18:08:51] | sebrock: | nope not yet... just been looking at logs |
| [18:09:11] | sebrock: | btw this did not happen in mythbuntu 7.10 so somethings changed |
| [18:09:34] | |Torg|: | kjournald is the journal system for ext3, its known to take alot of reources as does ANY journaling file system |
| [18:09:51] | |Torg|: | if it bothers you either get more CPU, faster disks or use a non journaled file system |
| [18:10:17] | sebrock: | I got plenty of all of that, and I never experienced this before. Always used ext3 |
| [18:10:51] | EvilGuru: | Try mounting it as ext2 and see what happens |
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| [18:12:52] | thoraxe: | sebrock: there are other journaling modes besides just the atime thing |
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| [18:13:26] | thoraxe: | sebrock: all noatime does is tell the journal system not to bother updating the "access at" timestamp... actually i don't think that's even part of the journal it's part of ext fs |
| [18:13:59] | thoraxe: | sebrock: when you upgraded your mythbuntu did it involve reformatting disks? |
| [18:14:56] | leprechau: | sebrock, i've got mythbuntu running on one box...newest version...and kjournald doesn't even show up in my top list |
| [18:15:01] | leprechau: | it uses next to no resources |
| [18:15:03] | leprechau: | 2390 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:06.86 kjournald |
| [18:15:17] | thoraxe: | leprechau: resource use and disk io aren't necessarily related, no? |
| [18:15:31] | |Torg|: | leprechau: as your disk writes go up so with kjournald |
| [18:15:49] | leprechau: | I don't really notice it at all |
| [18:16:05] | leprechau: | there or my desktop..it's archlinux...but still ext3 |
| [18:16:39] | leprechau: | syslog accesses the disk more than kjournald |
| [18:16:59] | thoraxe: | sebrock: i wonder if the new mythbuntu is using one of the less "risky" journaling schemes that involves more disk writes |
| [18:17:16] | thoraxe: | but why your "idle" system would be journaling i'm not sure |
| [18:17:29] | EvilGuru: | thoraxe: Wouldn't make any sense |
| [18:17:38] | EvilGuru: | Most of the 'active' storage will most likely be XFS |
| [18:17:59] | thoraxe: | EvilGuru: is xfs the best fs to use for the video storage? |
| [18:17:59] | sebrock: | leprechau, so its somthing with me disk then |
| [18:18:03] | EvilGuru: | (or JFS) |
| [18:18:20] | EvilGuru: | sebrock: What does SMART say? |
| [18:18:25] | leprechau: | all my 'active' storage for myth is nfs mounted to my fbsd box in the garage |
| [18:18:41] | sebrock: | yes its XFS and I also have a backend for that so its a completely different machine |
| [18:18:49] | sebrock: | also using nfs |
| [18:19:00] | thoraxe: | EvilGuru: you'd use xfs/jfs over ext3 for video storage? |
| [18:19:06] | EvilGuru: | Without a doubt |
| [18:19:07] | sebrock: | I do |
| [18:19:09] | leprechau: | sebrock, if you have a dedicated backend...why not go diskless on your frontends? |
| [18:19:15] | leprechau: | that is what I do here |
| [18:19:21] | wagner: | ext3 cannot handle large files well |
| [18:19:27] | sebrock: | I was thinking that but suspend does not work very well |
| [18:19:41] | thoraxe: | wagner: define "large" ? |
| [18:19:47] | sebrock: | leprechau, however, is it a simple task to setup a diskless mythbuntu? |
| [18:19:48] | EvilGuru: | thoraxe: >2GiB or so |
| [18:19:51] | wagner: | large being multiple GB |
| [18:19:57] | thoraxe: | icic |
| [18:20:05] | EvilGuru: | Delete performance is also awful |
| [18:20:07] | sebrock: | got 1GB of 800mhz RAM right now |
| [18:20:09] | leprechau: | sebrock, it's really simple with the newest mythbuntu...it's builtin to mythcontrol center |
| [18:20:11] | thoraxe: | what about reiser? |
| [18:20:14] | leprechau: | makes your diskimages and all |
| [18:20:23] | EvilGuru: | thoraxe: It doesn't handle them at all |
| [18:20:24] | sebrock: | leprechau, and how does it boot? |
| [18:20:29] | wagner: | reiser is a jailed filesystem |
| [18:20:31] | leprechau: | sebrock, pxeboot |
| [18:20:32] | sebrock: | via backend? |
| [18:20:37] | thoraxe: | EvilGuru: lemme checkup on xfs |
| [18:20:45] | PatrickDK: | the more full reiser gets, the slower it gets :( |
| [18:20:50] | sebrock: | ye, my mobo is fairly new, however pxe is a bitch to setup right? |
| [18:20:59] | leprechau: | lol naw |
| [18:21:02] | leprechau: | pxe is simple |
| [18:21:03] | iamlindoro_: | $MurderJoke |
| [18:21:13] | EvilGuru: | And it suffers from fragmentation quite badly (ReiserFS) |
| [18:21:16] | leprechau: | sebrock, what handles dhcp on your network at home now? |
| [18:21:16] | wagner: | if you have a dhcp server, no |
| [18:21:32] | wagner: | if youre just using your router, it may take a bit of effory |
| [18:21:41] | AndyCap: | anyhow. with the main driver in jail and namesys.com defunct reiserfs isn not such a hot bet |
| [18:21:46] | leprechau: | well if you have some cheap dlink or something doing dhcp |
| [18:21:51] | leprechau: | just turn dhcp off there |
| [18:21:51] | iamlindoro_: | I hear ReisferFS is great when you're doing sliced encoding |
| [18:21:58] | AndyCap: | ahahaa |
| [18:21:59] | leprechau: | and let your mythbackend do dhcp for you |
| [18:22:00] | EvilGuru: | AndyCap: No real differences. They abandoned it ages ago |
| [18:22:05] | leprechau: | that makes it really simple |
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| [18:22:23] | EvilGuru: | Reiser4, however, is still in development |
| [18:22:25] | wagner: | is ReiserFS on the cutting edge? |
| [18:22:39] | ** EvilGuru thought he used a blunt objects ** | |
| [18:22:51] | sebrock: | leprechau, a gigabit router |
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| [18:23:09] | wagner: | sebrock: that wont do |
| [18:23:17] | sebrock: | see I knew it |
| [18:23:19] | leprechau: | sebrock, well unless you have ddwrt running on it you prolly can't modify it to do pxe |
| [18:23:30] | sebrock: | god dammit |
| [18:23:33] | wagner: | to be honest, i dont even know if you can do pxe off of the dnsmasq in ddwrt |
| [18:23:39] | ** PatrickDK wonders what is classified as a gigabit router these days? ** | |
| [18:23:43] | leprechau: | sebrock, it's still easy though....just turn dhcp off on that router...and then let your mythbuntu box do dhcp for you |
| [18:24:06] | thoraxe: | PatrickDK: a router that has gige ports? |
| [18:24:06] | sebrock: | leprechau, that will kill my other machines |
| [18:24:14] | leprechau: | sebrock, lol not it won't |
| [18:24:36] | leprechau: | sebrock, your dhcp server can be any machine in your network ... it doesn't have to be on your router |
| [18:24:38] | PatrickDK: | ok, I wonder at people that call their little netgear/linksys things routers :) |
| [18:24:45] | wagner: | thoraxe: hes commenting on the fact that such routers couldnt possibly route a gigabit of traffic to their uplink |
| [18:24:58] | leprechau: | sebrock, dhcp broadcasts and dhcp clients search for dhcp servers via broadcast |
| [18:24:59] | AndyCap: | dnsmasq can do pxe iirc. |
| [18:25:23] | sebrock: | leprechau, yes I know but that backend isnt running all day long :D |
| [18:25:25] | PatrickDK: | wagner, I have seen them max out somewhere between 50–80mbit depending on model :) |
| [18:25:39] | thoraxe: | wagner: huh? |
| [18:25:41] | leprechau: | sebrock, well then that's a problem |
| [18:25:49] | leprechau: | sebrock, i never shut mine off |
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| [18:25:54] | PatrickDK: | heh? your backend should be on all the time |
| [18:25:59] | PatrickDK: | the frontends can turn on and off |
| [18:26:11] | thoraxe: | what good is a PVR if it's off? |
| [18:26:13] | leprechau: | sebrock, but then again...I have 4 other boxes out in the garage that never shut off either |
| [18:26:23] | wagner: | the backend is what actually does the recording |
| [18:26:29] | AndyCap: | just wait until he misses a recording because he forgot to turn it on before going on vacation |
| [18:26:30] | wagner: | the frontend is just what you view it with |
| [18:26:51] | PatrickDK: | I have seen patchs the turn the backend on before a recording :) |
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| [18:27:01] | PatrickDK: | but then, how can you tell it to record something if it's off :) |
| [18:27:44] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: through mind control, it's telepathetic |
| [18:27:58] | thoraxe: | i mean, you could maybe do something where you like spin down drives and nic and stuff with power settings and then power everything back up before a recording |
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| [18:28:17] | PatrickDK: | can't spin down the nic |
| [18:28:18] | sebrock: | leprechau, I thought of doing that aswell but right now I dont think I'll use it that much really |
| [18:28:29] | wagner: | and you wouldnt want the nic powered down either |
| [18:28:39] | wagner: | the nic is the one thing you absolutely have to keep online |
| [18:28:56] | PatrickDK: | atleast once every few min it needs to turn on |
| [18:29:04] | ShiftyPowers: | guys i know this is technically not a mythtbuntu channel, but does anyone know what is going on with my Mythweb? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=832751 |
| [18:29:26] | directhex: | #ubuntu-mythtv |
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| [18:29:56] | directhex: | the mythbuntu people tend not to be in here, to avoid all the merciless badmouthing from horrible people like iamlindoro |
| [18:30:00] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, Weeoweeoweeeeeee, but what if nobody answers in 15 seconds???? |
| [18:30:04] | iamlindoro_: | MWAAAAHAHAHA |
| [18:30:08] | iamlindoro_: | called it, did you? |
| [18:30:34] | thoraxe: | directhex: that's because ubuntu is going to do what sun did with opensolaris ;) |
| [18:30:34] | ShiftyPowers: | i knew the flaming would come :) |
| [18:31:45] | ** iamlindoro_ embraces his horribleness ** | |
| [18:32:10] | iamlindoro_: | Someones gotta be justinh when justinh is asleep, after all |
| [18:32:22] | wagner: | i need more bandwidth |
| [18:32:24] | sebrock: | now I did a BIOS update at the same time I upgraded... could this affect how journaling and swap is being used in any way at all? |
| [18:32:27] | Dibblah: | nah, justinh is just grumpy. |
| [18:32:30] | thoraxe: | wagner: who doesn't? |
| [18:32:44] | thoraxe: | sebrock: go back to 7.1 and test? |
| [18:32:48] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah, So what does that make me? ;) |
| [18:32:53] | Dibblah: | You have the authority on horribleness in this channel. ;) |
| [18:32:54] | sebrock: | cant find the image :)) |
| [18:33:02] | thoraxe: | sebrock: it's gotta be archived somewhere |
| [18:33:10] | iamlindoro_: | Awww, I'm not *that* bad... sometimes I help! |
| [18:33:16] | thoraxe: | sebrock: good reason to not delete isos... ever :P |
| [18:33:20] | Dibblah: | Sarcastically. |
| [18:33:37] | iamlindoro_: | Well.. yeah. This *is* #mythtv-users after all |
| [18:33:48] | iamlindoro_: | it's not #mythtv-and-reacharounds |
| [18:34:05] | iamlindoro_: | which, by the way, is the next great myth chat channel |
| [18:34:10] | wagner: | well in there, you really would be flaming |
| [18:34:16] | sebrock: | thoraxe, found it |
| [18:34:20] | thoraxe: | i thought it was #mythtv-hentai |
| [18:34:23] | thoraxe: | sebrock: sweet! |
| [18:34:47] | sebrock: | this will be exciting :D |
| [18:34:55] | directhex: | tentacular! |
| [18:35:09] | thoraxe: | sebrock: reinstalling 7.10 or #mythtv-hentai ? |
| [18:35:52] | wagner: | so the new version of the backend will reach out and rape the frontends? |
| [18:35:54] | iamlindoro_: | yes! |
| [18:36:11] | thoraxe: | wagner: now THAT is tentacular |
| [18:36:42] | wagner: | you know, i would probably run away screaming if my backend started to grow tentacles |
| [18:36:51] | sebrock: | thoraxe, both :D |
| [18:37:57] | sebrock: | god Im tired today |
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| [18:38:15] | thoraxe: | sebrock: blame ubuntu |
| [18:40:13] | sebrock: | I do, aaaaall day long |
| [18:40:19] | thoraxe: | ha |
| [18:40:34] | sebrock: | anyone watching euro 2008? |
| [18:41:37] | sebrock: | only americans here huh? |
| [18:41:49] | EvilGuru: | sebrock: Some Eurotrash as well |
| [18:41:51] | thoraxe: | sebrock: football? |
| [18:41:57] | thoraxe: | sebrock: (aka soccer) |
| [18:44:14] | sebrock: | aaaaaahahahhaah. Yes a real sport and not just idiots running into each other |
| [18:44:47] | sebrock: | or did I mixup the art of wrestling with NFL? |
| [18:45:42] | wagner: | you know, i played soccer all through grade school and high school, but i always just found it so boring to watch |
| [18:46:15] | thoraxe: | sebrock: most sports are "real" sports. american football and football both have things that make them hard |
| [18:46:17] | sebrock: | wagner, that was my opinion aswell before... now I also enjoy watching it |
| [18:47:05] | sebrock: | thoraxe, of cause I was kidding. However, everything is relative |
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| [18:47:50] | thoraxe: | sebrock: i'm not related to the tentacles. |
| [18:48:18] | sebrock: | But on the other hand, watching american football must be one of the most boring things ever? Running i few feet and then stop in a constant loop |
| [18:48:31] | sebrock: | thoraxe, in more ways than you know :) |
| [18:48:40] | thoraxe: | sebrock: both can be boring. both can be really exciting, too |
| [18:49:01] | thoraxe: | sebrock: this year's superbowl was exceptionally exciting |
| [18:49:06] | GreyFoxx: | Exciting to play, horrible to watch |
| [18:49:10] | GreyFoxx: | like pretty much every sport |
| [18:49:17] | thoraxe: | GreyFoxx: heh, true that. |
| [18:49:30] | wagner: | yeah, im not a big watcher of sports in general |
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| [18:49:46] | XLV: | yeah.. its too physical.. australian or english football ( not soccer ) should be even more exciting to play... no helmets or shoulder pads |
| [18:50:10] | ** GreyFoxx loves to play several sports, and enjoys going to live games for the "event", but to WATCH someone on TV do it? Ugh ** | |
| [18:50:15] | XLV: | funny when an opponent climbs on the other's fellow back with the shoe with the spikes to catch the ball |
| [18:50:19] | PatrickDK: | xlv, you mean rugby? |
| [18:50:25] | XLV: | yeah |
| [18:50:46] | iamlindoro_: | Aussie rules football FTW |
| [18:50:47] | GreyFoxx: | And Nascar.... I mean come on. Driving fast and going to would might be cool, but watching someone drive a card around in a circle on TV? |
| [18:50:50] | wagner: | i dont care about it being physical, its all just boring |
| [18:50:53] | thoraxe: | PatrickDK: heh beat me to it |
| [18:51:04] | AndyCap: | the event? then I guess soccers ancestor must be the ultimate. |
| [18:51:08] | thoraxe: | GreyFoxx: nascar is exciting because of crashing and passing. that's about it, heh |
| [18:51:09] | wagner: | if im not actively playing it, it just doesnt interest me |
| [18:51:11] | XLV: | aussies call it football though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_rules_football |
| [18:51:35] | thoraxe: | XLV: ARF is closer to American Footbal than to rugby |
| [18:51:47] | thoraxe: | but there is this weird ass football rugby thing that isn't like either, i forget what it's called |
| [18:51:52] | thoraxe: | it's like irish football or something |
| [18:51:55] | wagner: | thoraxe: my little cousin would always run up to the track after races begging the cleanup crews for car parts |
| [18:51:56] | AndyCap: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_football |
| [18:52:06] | iamlindoro_: | aussie rules football isn't even CLOSE to american football |
| [18:52:21] | iamlindoro_: | except both are played on a field |
| [18:52:24] | AndyCap: | involving an unlimited number of players on opposing teams, who would clash in a heaving mass of people struggling to drag an inflated pig's bladder by any means possible to markers at each end of a town |
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| [18:52:37] | AndyCap: | now, that's a sporting event! |
| [18:52:50] | iamlindoro_: | AndyCap, Now *that* is what aussie rules is close to |
| [18:52:55] | wagner: | yeah, todays sports are too regulated |
| [18:53:02] | wagner: | sporting events need to be more chaotic |
| [18:53:03] | XLV: | AndyCap, what a community needs to strengthen social ties ;-) |
| [18:53:21] | thoraxe: | i wish i could remember what that rugby-like football thing was |
| [18:53:25] | thoraxe: | it was some weird euro league |
| [18:53:28] | thoraxe: | i'll figure it out |
| [18:53:32] | AndyCap: | today known as casuals. :P |
| [18:53:54] | iamlindoro_: | gaelic football, thoraxe |
| [18:54:15] | thoraxe: | iamlindoro_: YES! |
| [18:54:47] | iamlindoro_: | gaelic football and aussie rules are fairly similar, too. In that they just beat the living fuck out of each other with not penalties |
| [18:54:50] | AndyCap: | Heh, wonder where my sports encyclopedia got to. it had a lot of crazy sports |
| [18:54:52] | iamlindoro_: | er with no |
| [18:55:22] | AndyCap: | I still think Underwater rugby qualifies as nuts, rules or not. |
| [18:55:27] | PatrickDK: | gaelic football is strange |
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| [18:56:13] | sebrock: | wow the sport stuff really took of here |
| [18:56:21] | sebrock: | watching sweden-russia right now |
| [18:56:44] | sebrock: | we (sweden) should win... however russia is magic today |
| [18:57:48] | AndyCap: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK0BWli4qe8 |
| [18:58:41] | sebrock: | played that once |
| [18:59:05] | sebrock: | ultraboring to watch but by far the most exhausting think I've ever done |
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| [19:04:49] | wagner: | well its very physical activity, with limited oxygen |
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| [19:20:14] | akv: | I'm trying to setup deinterlacing, but this is outdated, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Deinterlacing , how is it done with the new mythtv? |
| [19:22:12] | iamlindoro_: | utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page three. Edit each rule, second page of each rule |
| [19:22:29] | akv: | oh |
| [19:22:32] | iamlindoro_: | Feel free to update the wiki while you're at it |
| [19:22:44] | akv: | heh ;) |
| [19:23:30] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah, directhex , See? I helped and was hardly sarcastic at all. |
| [19:23:55] | Dibblah: | Very restrained. For a change. ;) |
| [19:24:11] | iamlindoro_: | Someone is quickly moving on to my naughty list |
| [19:24:32] | iamlindoro_: | Shit, I help LOTS more than I dish out abuse |
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| [19:26:12] | EvilGuru: | Yadif has always given me the best results |
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| [19:29:59] | wagner: | shit, my backend crapped out last night |
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| [19:48:24] | Dibblah: | I really should stay out of this Udo conversation. |
| [19:48:35] | Dibblah: | But I've not restrained myself too much. |
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| [19:49:34] | Dibblah: | This is going to get *lots* of disagreement: "Myth is not a product, it's a hobby." |
| [19:50:08] | iamlindoro_: | Why, I agree completely :) |
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| [19:50:46] | iamlindoro_: | People only refer to it as a product when they want to whine about not getting what they want while putting forth no effort to change it themselves |
| [19:50:52] | wagner: | 'Udo'? |
| [19:51:13] | iamlindoro_: | wagner, ass on the -users list |
| [19:51:14] | Dibblah: | wagner: users mailing list. |
| [19:51:32] | wagner: | ah, im not subscribed |
| [19:51:52] | wagner: | ive intentionally sabotaged my frontend before |
| [19:51:57] | iamlindoro_: | Oooh, neat! Blu-ray remasters and releases of 6 James Bond movies |
| [19:52:06] | wagner: | because a friend was using it at the time, and he was considering building one |
| [19:52:23] | wagner: | i knew i was going to have to provide endless tech support if he had done so |
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| [19:53:16] | Dibblah: | And there you have the problem with Myth. |
| [19:53:41] | Dibblah: | It *is* so complex. Partially because it has to be, partially because it is. |
| [19:54:03] | Dibblah: | So many use-cases covered. Mostly covered, at least. |
| [19:54:24] | wagner: | although this was several years ago, so it wasnt uncommon for myth to sabotage itself |
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| [19:56:58] | jthomas__: | http://www.lyngsat.com/in4a.html |
| [19:57:05] | jthomas__: | What unit is the frequency in here? |
| [19:57:12] | jthomas__: | I.E: 3725 Mhz? |
| [19:57:34] | iamlindoro_: | uhh... you just typed the unit |
| [19:57:38] | iamlindoro_: | Megahertz |
| [19:57:52] | jthomas__: | It was a guess :p |
| [19:58:04] | iamlindoro_: | that's probably KHz, then |
| [19:58:13] | jthomas__: | Alright. |
| [19:58:16] | BitBandit is now known as BitBandit-Away | |
| [19:58:21] | iamlindoro_: | ie for linux-dvb, 37250000 |
| [19:58:51] | iamlindoro_: | erm... minus one of those zeros |
| [19:59:15] | jthomas__: | Hm.. Alright- so, I'm not sure if this is a hardware issue, or an issue with my driver. |
| [19:59:25] | jthomas__: | But, the dvbsec_set function seems to fail with these parameters. |
| [19:59:45] | jthomas__: | I've gotten these same cards to work in servers here in the states. |
| [19:59:46] | sebrock_: | alright problem is isolated to 8.04 now. 7.10 does NOT make constant kjournald and pdflush writes to HD |
| [20:00:46] | sebrock_: | so that is not the normal behaviour then |
| [20:01:04] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like a job for #ubuntu |
| [20:02:03] | jthomas__: | dvbsec_set(dvb,secptr,parsed_delivery.delivery.dvb.polarization,DISEQC_SWITCH_UN CHANGED, |
| [20:02:03] | jthomas__: | DISEQC_SWITCH_UNCHANGED,&parsed_delivery.delivery.dvb.params, 0) -> Returns 0 with: 3725000 INVERSION_OFF H 26665 FEC_3_4 |
| [20:02:08] | jthomas__: | Erg. Sorry. |
| [20:02:10] | sebrock_: | too flooded that channle :D |
| [20:02:20] | iamlindoro_: | sebrock_, too off topic this channel |
| [20:02:39] | iamlindoro_: | #ubuntu-mythtv might be the happy medium |
| [20:03:15] | iamlindoro_: | they're also.. whattayacallit, Dibblah? "Nice" in there. |
| [20:03:29] | sebrock_: | also? refering to you? |
| [20:03:32] | iamlindoro_: | ergo my distaste for the place |
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| [20:04:25] | ** EvilGuru remembers iamlindoro_ bitching about them ** | |
| [20:04:35] | _packetscan is now known as packetscan | |
| [20:04:47] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru, ah, but which *time*? ;) |
| [20:05:04] | EvilGuru: | I think it was a week or so ago, maybe a wee bit more |
| [20:05:15] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, last time then |
| [20:05:23] | iamlindoro_: | yes, I'll never bail anyone out in there again |
| [20:05:32] | iamlindoro_: | boo hoo this, boo hoo that |
| [20:05:41] | iamlindoro_: | Sand in vaginas and whatnot |
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| [20:06:10] | ** stuarta raises an eyebrow at iamlindoro_ ** | |
| [20:06:30] | iamlindoro_: | stuarta, had to be there I guess |
| [20:07:09] | whoDat_: | iamlindoro: how come your such a nice guy? |
| [20:07:20] | iamlindoro_: | Fine country living I guess |
| [20:07:52] | sebrock_: | yes what ha |
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| [20:07:59] | sebrock_: | what happened to juski? |
| [20:08:09] | whoDat_: | you just have that kind of "the customer is always right" attitude with a smile.. ;) |
| [20:08:15] | iamlindoro_: | He's always with us, in spirit |
| [20:08:18] | stuarta: | sebrock_: he turned into a newt |
| [20:08:20] | iamlindoro_: | god rest his soul |
| [20:08:31] | sebrock_: | newt? |
| [20:08:37] | stuarta: | monty python |
| [20:09:16] | sebrock_: | heh, but really? |
| [20:09:19] | ** EvilGuru expects the Spanish Inquisition ** | |
| [20:09:33] | stuarta: | nobody expects the spanish inquisition! |
| [20:10:31] | sebrock_: | I mean he was pretty upset and fed up about everything |
| [20:10:44] | sebrock_: | not that we dont have that here now... |
| [20:10:51] | ** sebrock_ squints at iamlindoro_ ** | |
| [20:11:11] | ** stuarta quacks insanely ** | |
| [20:11:37] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, I'm sure cuh-razy to suggest you get help with your Ubuntu, non-myth problem in #ubuntu. Fuck, I don't know what I was thinking |
| [20:11:42] | matthijs_: | i just ran mythfilldatabase, and usually it's window closes automaticly, but mine is not closing by itsself, could there be something wrnog? |
| [20:12:13] | iamlindoro_: | I'm very popular in the UK |
| [20:12:25] | stuarta: | so is beer |
| [20:12:34] | iamlindoro_: | therefore, iamlindoro == beer |
| [20:12:44] | ** PatrickDK sends iamlindoro to aussie land ** | |
| [20:13:03] | iamlindoro_: | matthijs_, You shouldn't be invoking mythfilldatabase from an icon, you can run it from a terminal to see if the output looks suspicious |
| [20:13:24] | ** stuarta beers himself ** | |
| [20:13:33] | matthijs_: | ok iamlindoro |
| [20:13:34] | stuarta: | !seen beer |
| [20:13:34] | MythLogBot: | beer has not been seen here |
| [20:13:37] | stuarta: | :( |
| [20:13:45] | iamlindoro_: | !seen iamlindoro |
| [20:13:45] | MythLogBot: | iamlindoro is here and has been idle for 15 hours 37 minutes 12 seconds |
| [20:13:48] | iamlindoro_: | oh, there it is |
| [20:13:57] | ** iamlindoro_ iamlindoro's stuarta ** | |
| [20:14:27] | ** stuarta gets confused and cracks open a tinny ** | |
| [20:14:41] | ** iamlindoro_ pours stuarta a tall, sudsy pint of iamlindoro ** | |
| [20:14:59] | matthijs_: | iamlindoro, it gets stuck when it says: connected to database mythconverg at host: localhost. |
| [20:15:07] | matthijs_: | in the terminal |
| [20:15:24] | iamlindoro_: | Taht may not be stuck, if you are on a low verbosity level it can sit there for a very long time |
| [20:15:33] | iamlindoro_: | It may well still be working |
| [20:15:49] | matthijs_: | so what should i do, wait? |
| [20:16:10] | iamlindoro_: | if you open another terminal and run top and look for xmltv, or mythfilldatabase, or your grabber script, and see that they are using a decent amount of CPU, then you are probably fine to just wait |
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| [20:17:21] | high-rez: | Hey guys. Myth is considering the different ports on my diseqc switch as seperate tuners. Is there anyway to tweak this behavior? It messes up scheduling etc... |
| [20:17:32] | ** iamlindoro_ hugs justinh. ** | |
| [20:17:36] | iamlindoro_: | Oh thank god you've come back |
| [20:17:46] | justinh: | what? |
| [20:17:50] | high-rez: | woh |
| [20:17:58] | stuarta: | he needs someone to share the grumpiness with :) |
| [20:17:59] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Withdrawal symptoms |
| [20:18:00] | jthomas__: | Hm. |
| [20:18:05] | matthijs_: | iamlindoro, how long should i wait, because i think there is nothing going on atm. |
| [20:18:05] | iamlindoro_: | Everyone has been berating me for meanness and now this will put everything in perspective |
| [20:18:05] | justinh: | hahahaha |
| [20:18:13] | ** justinh lets his ears recover ** | |
| [20:18:37] | stuarta: | high-rez: well how have you modelled your diseq in myth? |
| [20:18:38] | ** high-rez notes justinh must use festival with his irc client. ** | |
| [20:18:42] | iamlindoro_: | matthijs_, it could be quite some time. Again, check top to see what is using CPU time |
| [20:18:48] | justinh: | nope |
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| [20:18:59] | matthijs_: | program: top? |
| [20:19:04] | justinh: | been testing my CD decks out :D |
| [20:19:08] | iamlindoro_: | yes, a program called top |
| [20:19:11] | matthijs_: | ok |
| [20:19:13] | jthomas__: | For what reasons would a DVB card refuse to tune to a particular frequency? |
| [20:19:18] | iamlindoro_: | this *will* end in tears |
| [20:19:25] | high-rez: | sutarta: Device->Switch (2 ports). Then I enabled port1 and port2. All that works but it considers them as actual tuners... |
| [20:19:28] | stuarta: | jthomas__: frequency doesn't exist |
| [20:19:38] | iamlindoro_: | I can't beleive *I* am called grumpy. I'm positively gleeful! Just... sarcastic. |
| [20:19:48] | iamlindoro_: | And in the end, more or less helpful |
| [20:20:06] | EvilGuru: | And normally know what you're on about |
| [20:20:09] | justinh: | oops seems my MD recorder doesn't like very high SPL |
| [20:20:11] | matthijs_: | iamlindoro, nothing is going on in top, and cpu usage is 1% |
| [20:20:29] | whoDat_: | how come the bob filter bobs up and down so much ;) |
| [20:20:32] | matthijs_: | (by xchat lol) |
| [20:20:35] | justinh: | lol |
| [20:20:37] | high-rez: | stuarta: Is that what you were looking for ? |
| [20:20:55] | iamlindoro_: | matthijs_, then you should be running mythfilldatabase with -v all to see what it hangs on |
| [20:21:07] | iamlindoro_: | also, if you are using a grabber, I presume you are passing whatever custom options for that you need to |
| [20:21:12] | justinh: | seems my players don't like discs burned at 16x though. bastard there goes another night |
| [20:21:17] | matthijs_: | ok iamlindoro |
| [20:21:31] | justinh: | or is Verbatim just a shite generic these days? |
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| [20:22:22] | stuarta: | hmmm |
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| [20:27:53] | matthijs_: | iamlindoro, its not rly working with -v |
| [20:28:05] | iamlindoro_: | -v all |
| [20:28:59] | matthijs_: | ok cool thnx i can see that he is doing somethijg |
| [20:29:02] | Dibblah: | jthomas__: Not a problem. |
| [20:29:11] | Dibblah: | Just keeping the channel clear. |
| [20:29:43] | Dibblah: | Anyway, quattros are usually used in combination with a multiport diseqc switch. |
| [20:29:48] | jthomas__: | Is it possible to tune to a channel on a Quatro? |
| [20:30:01] | jthomas__: | Yeah- I actually didn't set up any of the hardware, it's sitting 3000 miles away from me in India. |
| [20:30:07] | jthomas__: | I'm getting some lose details back and forth about it. |
| [20:30:31] | Dibblah: | Sure – But you won't be able to get the full frequency range. |
| [20:30:39] | Dibblah: | Well, not out of one port. |
| [20:30:59] | Dibblah: | And you'll only be able to see H or V polarised transponders. |
| [20:31:53] | jthomas__: | So, essentially I'm limited to some range of H/V polarized frequencies depending on which port I'm connected to? |
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| [20:32:03] | Dibblah: | That's the bit the switch does – It looks at combinations of LNB supply voltage and "tone" presence, then routes the right signal from the LNB to that port. |
| [20:32:37] | Dibblah: | Yes. You'll also have to configure Myth to know about the LNB type. |
| [20:32:54] | Dibblah: | Specifically, the local oscillator frequency of the port you're using. |
| [20:33:14] | Dibblah: | However, you would be much easier just buying a normal universal LNB – They're not expensive. |
| [20:33:48] | jthomas__: | Hm.. I'm using libdvbapi and libdvbsec directly. |
| [20:34:08] | jthomas__: | Alright, I'll try to figure this out some more, thanks for your help! |
| [20:34:31] | Dibblah: | Sure. |
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| [20:34:54] | jthomas__: | Dibblah, Any good books on this sort of thing you would recommend? |
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| [20:37:18] | Dibblah: | http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/lnb.htm |
| [20:38:21] | Dibblah: | + following pages. |
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| [20:44:50] | jellynet: | is there any rss torrent downloadereque plugins for mythtv? |
| [20:44:59] | iamlindoro_: | nope, and never will be |
| [20:45:44] | jellynet: | whys that? |
| [20:45:56] | iamlindoro_: | Because MythTV devs want nothing to do with anything that could be remotely construed as illegal, even if there might be legit purposes for it |
| [20:46:05] | GreyFoxx: | because of their legally dubious nature and us not wanting to be sued :) |
| [20:46:15] | iamlindoro_: | And yes, we have this conversation biweekly, and no, we don't want to have it again |
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| [20:47:07] | jellynet: | hard to believe there are now rogue users making a plugin |
| [20:47:43] | iamlindoro_: | Mostly because the people who come in asking for it aren't generally the type to do any work themselves |
| [20:48:09] | iamlindoro_: | So you hear the occasional "Well I'll just make my own unofficial plugin..." and never hear from anyone again |
| [20:48:15] | GreyFoxx: | jell: there was one years ago |
| [20:48:19] | GreyFoxx: | long since dead |
| [20:48:38] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx, Hey, lots of people still running .13 I am sure |
| [20:49:04] | GreyFoxx: | they must be generating their own listings since that wouldn't support anything current :) |
| [20:50:06] | ** GreyFoxx needs to see what mplayer uses for reading bluray evo files ** | |
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| [20:50:47] | GreyFoxx: | and I wonder if that new libdvdnav would be useful in fixing any issues for us |
| [20:50:49] | iamlindoro_: | Think that they just hacked their VOB parser to do it |
| [20:50:53] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [20:50:54] | jellynet: | on another note.. my video player is signifficantly quieter than music.. |
| [20:51:07] | EvilGuru: | GreyFoxx: Are you are a dev of sorts? |
| [20:51:21] | GreyFoxx: | Evi: On days I don't feel too lazy yes |
| [20:51:46] | EvilGuru: | And there I was thinking they all hid in #mythtv |
| [20:51:53] | GreyFoxx: | Heh |
| [20:51:57] | GreyFoxx: | There too :) |
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| [20:55:40] | simcop2387: | is there any way to get mytharchive to convert two or more files at once (trying to take advantage of dualcore) |
| [20:56:05] | iamlindoro_: | simcop2387, I don't beleive so |
| [20:56:12] | simcop2387: | thats what a i figured |
| [21:02:06] | oweiler: | Just found this IRC channel so exuse my newbie'ness: I'm trying to solidfy the concept of a myth frontend and myth backend in my mind: does a myth frontend have to have a tuner to watch live'ish (ie. live but pausable and rewindable) TV? |
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| [21:02:28] | stuarta: | not quite |
| [21:02:29] | cesman: | no, it doesn't |
| [21:02:42] | stuarta: | the backend has the tuner and does all the recording |
| [21:02:42] | cesman: | tuners reside in the backend |
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| [21:02:52] | stuarta: | the frontend does the playback |
| [21:02:58] | ** stuarta waves at cesman ** | |
| [21:03:05] | cesman: | : |
| [21:03:11] | stuarta: | +) |
| [21:03:14] | ** cesman waves back ** | |
| [21:04:26] | oweiler: | so if I'm planning on a separate box to do backend stuff that's grabbing ATSC OTA, it doesn't need to be very powerful because all it's doing is laying down MPEG2 to the disk, right? And the front end needs to be powerful enough to be able to display 1080i for the ATSC OTA stuff, right? |
| [21:04:41] | iamlindoro_: | oweiler, exactly right |
| [21:04:41] | stuarta: | that is true |
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| [21:05:09] | stuarta: | the only thing that takes cpu on a backend is commercial flagging & transcoding |
| [21:05:46] | stuarta: | they just take longer the less cpu you have :) |
| [21:06:00] | ajh: | stuarta, no there's something else. |
| [21:06:21] | ajh: | mythfilldatabase takes a whole lot of cpu and i/o time. |
| [21:06:34] | oweiler: | I've already experienced commercial flagging CPU issues but I can live without that for the sake of $$ but how much transcoding would be happening with ATSC OTA |
| [21:06:36] | stuarta: | well i use EIT exclusively |
| [21:07:00] | stuarta: | commflagging isn't particularly accurate for me |
| [21:07:00] | Dibblah: | ajh: Not for me, using xmltv in the UK. 20 minutes / day... |
| [21:07:02] | oweiler: | re: mythfilldatabase: doesn't that happen only once at night to get my scheduledirect stuff? |
| [21:07:03] | ajh: | oh having the lineup stuff is where most of the power in the myth scheduling really shines, you should really consider it. |
| [21:07:14] | iamlindoro_: | oweiler, yes, once a night |
| [21:07:41] | stuarta: | oweiler: well, trancoding only take place if you ask for it |
| [21:07:59] | EvilGuru: | Comm flagging isn't bad for me. For some channels it is near perfect, for others non existent (but never 'wrong') |
| [21:08:04] | stuarta: | no need if you are receiving atsc, and don't want to transcode to save disk space |
| [21:08:08] | ajh: | I have yet to get transcoding to really work, those dvb files are far too big too. |
| [21:08:21] | stuarta: | tell that to your broadcaster |
| [21:09:06] | ajh: | mostly I want to do things like put bbc world at low res, low bitrate (except audio) |
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| [21:09:20] | stuarta: | ajh: it's not rocket science |
| [21:10:08] | oweiler: | so let's assume that I've got a backend configured and running, then turn off X, commflagging, and transcoding, would it be reasonable to expect a P4 1.8Ghz to be able to "use" 4 USB based tuners simultaneously? |
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| [21:10:36] | iamlindoro_: | If they're hardware encoder or digital tuners, sure |
| [21:10:55] | oweiler: | right, ATSC tuners: pinnacle HD TV Pro USB |
| [21:11:04] | iamlindoro_: | yup, should be fine |
| [21:11:15] | ajh: | stuarta, some reason when I tell it to do it, everything plays back at 2x speed. |
| [21:11:48] | ajh: | I haven't had time to really look into it, right now I'm happy it's mostly working reliably. |
| [21:12:06] | ajh: | Getting archiving working is the next important bit, before I fill the last drive :) |
| [21:13:28] | oweiler: | gotcha. I'm trying to replace my 4 replaytv's with something that's not TiVo before the analog turn off date happens and from what I can tell, MythTV rocks. I just now need to make sure I can build a setup I can live with and all your answers have helped. Thanks! |
| [21:13:44] | iamlindoro_: | no problem |
| [21:16:46] | PatrickDK: | oweiler, you save any of your videos to dvarchive? |
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| [21:18:26] | oweiler: | PatrickDK, I haven't yet but that's my grand plan so I can potentially use my replaytv's as frontends |
| [21:19:04] | PatrickDK: | heh? |
| [21:19:22] | PatrickDK: | I was just saying it cause I made a script to import all videos from dvarchive into mythtv |
| [21:19:44] | oweiler: | ahh, very nice, do you have it posted somewhere, I'd love to see it |
| [21:19:53] | PatrickDK: | not yet |
| [21:20:00] | oweiler: | does it do transcoding? |
| [21:20:07] | PatrickDK: | no? why would you want to |
| [21:20:12] | oweiler: | not sure if you had to |
| [21:20:16] | iamlindoro_: | Man, didn't think any of the ReplayTVs were still in circulation. Used to have on 6 or 7 years ago |
| [21:20:18] | iamlindoro_: | one |
| [21:20:41] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, I have two, one died awhile ago, the other one is going |
| [21:20:43] | oweiler: | There aren't any replaytv's anymore. I'm what you would call a replaytv enthousiast |
| [21:21:09] | oweiler: | There's still quite a big following on poopli.com |
| [21:21:16] | PatrickDK: | I love my replaytv much better than tivo |
| [21:21:33] | PatrickDK: | and when last I used mythtv, replay was better |
| [21:21:42] | PatrickDK: | but that was pre 0.19 |
| [21:23:50] | oweiler: | Since replay doesn't have digital tuners and I don't relish the thought of having to get 4 converter boxes for them, I'm moving to MythTV, though dvarchive seems like a good way to make a replaytv box look kinda like a front end and it sounds like PatrickDK has already done just that |
| [21:23:51] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: well, if you love it better, no wonder mythtv is unhappy. :> |
| [21:24:13] | AndyCap: | not that there's anything wrong with that... |
| [21:24:30] | PatrickDK: | andycap, heh? |
| [21:24:50] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: mythtv needs some lovin' too. |
| [21:25:03] | PatrickDK: | mythtv is much better than replay now, I was stating that mythtv pre-0.19 wasn't quite ready for me |
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| [21:25:24] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: ok. I'll stop milking that grammar error now. :P |
| [21:25:54] | AndyCap: | otherwise it could get weird. what with mythtv not being ready and all. :P |
| [21:26:24] | PatrickDK: | it's been wet for me |
| [21:26:42] | oweiler: | so just to get this straight, PatrickDK: you've developed a stripto-thingy that allows existing MythTV recordings to be served up by DVArchive that could then be played by a ReplayTV 5000 series box? |
| [21:27:02] | PatrickDK: | oweiler, no, but that could be done easily enough |
| [21:27:16] | PatrickDK: | I've create a script that takes replaytv videos from dvarchive and imports them into mythtv |
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| [21:28:07] | PatrickDK: | so when the wife is ready to drop her replaytv, or she upgrades to hd, she won't loose all her crap |
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| [21:30:50] | oweiler: | Very cool. I can't wait to play with all this stuff. Now if only there were 30 hours in a day.... |
| [21:31:19] | PatrickDK: | that is easy enough to do |
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| [21:31:43] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris | |
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| [21:32:39] | ** stuarta tries to remember his own cacert password ** | |
| [21:33:37] | PatrickDK: | heh, don't ask me, I use certs |
| [21:33:55] | stuarta: | well i self sign for my own purposes |
| [21:34:02] | stuarta: | just my old cert has expired |
| [21:34:31] | PatrickDK: | no, I use a cert to login to their website |
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| [21:35:15] | AndyCap: | did cacert get into mozilla yet? |
| [21:35:20] | PatrickDK: | nope |
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| [21:35:32] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris | |
| [21:35:32] | PatrickDK: | will they ever? probably not |
| [21:35:40] | stuarta: | when i say cacert, i mean my own root ca |
| [21:35:51] | PatrickDK: | stuarta, you need help then |
| [21:36:01] | stuarta: | new cacert methinks |
| [21:36:13] | xris: | greetings (briefly) from italy |
| [21:36:18] | ** stuarta waves ** | |
| [21:36:42] | AndyCap: | I guess cacert must have been hurt by the debian error |
| [21:36:44] | xris: | it's nice here |
| [21:36:53] | xris: | except for the whole language things |
| [21:36:57] | xris: | thing |
| [21:37:27] | stuarta: | just don't do the standard american thing and ask the same question *louder* when they don't understand the first time :-/ |
| [21:37:43] | stuarta: | so many times have i seen that |
| [21:38:13] | wagner: | louder AND slower |
| [21:38:23] | stuarta: | crap, forgot slower |
| [21:38:48] | wagner: | i once heard someone horribly botch german |
| [21:39:04] | stuarta: | my only other language is basic spanish |
| [21:39:08] | wagner: | instead of 'sprechen sie englisch', they said 'speakin' the english'? |
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| [21:39:29] | stuarta: | so i tend to use that *everywhere* else in mainland europe |
| [21:39:33] | AndyCap: | wagner: well, if they spoke english perhaps they got an answer. :) |
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| [21:40:00] | stuarta: | despite meaning to use the local language |
| [21:40:00] | wagner: | it was more of a stare of ridicule |
| [21:40:05] | AndyCap: | hehe |
| [21:41:01] | stuarta: | why do i fancy a pizza right about now? |
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| [21:41:33] | ** PatrickDK heads to stuarta's place ** | |
| [21:41:52] | stuarta: | have to go 50m down the street for pizza |
| [21:42:01] | stuarta: | or is it 30m? |
| [21:42:10] | PatrickDK: | that is meters right? |
| [21:42:14] | stuarta: | yup |
| [21:42:38] | stuarta: | no, actually it's metres :-P |
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| [21:45:14] | xris: | stuarta: nah, just the same thing over and over again.. no capisco. :) |
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| [21:45:28] | iamlindoro_: | parla inglese, signore? |
| [21:45:36] | stuarta: | heh, thought it was no comprende? |
| [21:45:41] | xris: | girl at the b&b his mornig said to one of her coworkers (in italian) "wow, they really don't understand very much" |
| [21:45:51] | xris: | then looked embarrassed when I laughed.. |
| [21:46:00] | xris: | since I understand a fair amount.. just can't speak at all |
| [21:46:11] | stuarta: | just recyle |
| [21:46:13] | xris: | cute girl. too bad I'm not single. :)( |
| [21:46:17] | PatrickDK: | heh, I have had more fun :) |
| [21:46:21] | stuarta: | recycle even |
| [21:46:24] | PatrickDK: | I understand most spanish |
| [21:46:34] | PatrickDK: | but I never really speak it, cause I have no need |
| [21:46:54] | stuarta: | it's the similarities between spanish/italian etc that get me in trouble |
| [21:47:03] | PatrickDK: | and 4 chicks where talking about their sex life near me, and where shocked when they asked me if I knew what they where discussing |
| [21:47:26] | stuarta: | doing better than me |
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| [21:48:57] | xris: | PatrickDK: I'm basically fluent in spanish (grew up in peru), which makes italian fairly easy, but just different enough to confuse me. |
| [21:49:17] | PatrickDK: | dunno italian at all |
| [21:49:29] | PatrickDK: | they just told me I needed to learn a language in school |
| [21:49:39] | PatrickDK: | so I picked spanish, as the most likely one I might use in real life |
| [21:49:51] | PatrickDK: | and it came easily to me |
| [21:50:15] | stuarta: | i find it flows quite nicely |
| [21:50:18] | PatrickDK: | then I was around it for a few years at work, so that helped fill in the crap schools leave out |
| [21:50:43] | xris: | spanish is easy.. ( so says the one who learned it at 9) |
| [21:50:55] | stuarta: | the exceptions in the grammer seem to fit naturally into the flow of the speaking |
| [21:51:03] | stuarta: | if that makes sense |
| [21:51:04] | xris: | anyway, family wants to lock the door at the hostel, so I'm going to crash. see you guys.. um, sometime. :)( |
| [21:51:06] | xris: | :) |
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| [21:58:01] | MartinCleaver: | Mythtv on macos – can I use http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr950.html or must I use http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr950mac.html&nb sp;? |
| [21:58:01] | MartinCleaver: | seems software is the only difference. That and 2x price |
| [22:00:14] | ** MartinCleaver discovers there is no #happauge ** | |
| [22:00:40] | iamlindoro_: | #linuxtv is what you want |
| [22:01:25] | Esotericisms: | hey everyone, I been trying to get mplayer to work with my new spdif audio setup, but I haven't been able to, this is what I have tried so far along with aplay -l(L) output, can anyone help? (http://pastebin.com/m5314522d) |
| [22:02:44] | sid3windr: | MartinCleaver: perhaps a #hauppauge? :P |
| [22:03:29] | MartinCleaver: | iamlindoro: you referring to me? |
| [22:03:36] | MartinCleaver: | sid3windr: :) |
| [22:05:34] | Esotericisms: | anyone? |
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| [22:08:00] | iamlindoro_: | MartinCleaver, yes, I am referring to you, that is the channel to ask about your question |
| [22:08:09] | iamlindoro_: | Esotericisms, try #mplayer |
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| [22:14:39] | MartinCleaver: | thanks iamlindoro_ |
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| [22:51:15] | ShiftyPowers: | anyone know where i can find a generic mythweb-config.php.dpkg-dist? |
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| [22:52:59] | Agrajag-: | in the source |
| [22:55:31] | ShiftyPowers: | Agrajag-, how do i get it? |
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| [23:02:19] | Agrajag-: | ShiftyPowers: http://mythtv.org |
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| [23:09:49] | cesman: | well, .dpkg-dist is what the package maintainer packaged |
| [23:10:02] | cesman: | you won't find that in the source |
| [23:10:18] | cesman: | mythweb-config.php is what you should find |
| [23:10:39] | cesman: | if you have the package around still, you can use ar and extract the contents |
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| [23:53:21] | greg__: | there anyway to get evga indtube tuner to work? |
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| [23:55:34] | ** Kazan waves ** | |
| [23:56:08] | greg__: | anyone familar with the tuner? |
| [23:57:30] | iamlindoro: | greg__: There are no signs that that tuner has any linux support whatsoever. For future reference, www.linuxtv.org is the place to check |
| [23:58:24] | greg__: | that sucks :( |
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| [23:59:30] | iamlindoro: | greg__: Can't supporte very tuner, it's all community driven... especially when it's an obscure one like that |
| [23:59:35] | iamlindoro: | er support every |
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