Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, June 14th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks his winblows box might have a virus... Behaving very odd, and it's not even on the network now... **

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wagner:

asking you to pay for access to several encrypted files...

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I'm assuming you mean odd /for Windows/, even, right?

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sphery:

wagner: did they crack the key, yet?

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sphery:

I wonder if there really was a program that you get after paying. If so, it would have been a lot easier to just have someone get the program and extract the key.

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wagner:

the latest one... they better not have

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wagner:

otherwise the entire public key model is broken

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: It's odd for me to have a virus, even on windows... ;-) Haven't had one in YEARS...

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wagner:

sphery: the files are on your hard drive, and they get decrypted on your hard drive, so probably yes

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Dagmar:

I still think we need a playback profiles option

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Dagmar:

...so that when we KNOW a show is going to be aired letterboxed, the frontend will automatically play it back with Full scaling

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Dagmar:

wagner: Frankly, for shit like that, I think a key-purchase attack would be the simplest route

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sphery:

you mean a recording option

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justinh:

I thought there was a patch to autodetect that now

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sphery:

or a playback group option

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sphery:

justinh: it's not yet applied

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sphery:

don't know if it will be as it's causing some problems on "unusual" configs (i.e. 16:10 displays and stuff)

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justinh:

so? doesn't mean it'll *never* be committed

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wagner:

Dagmar: thats what hes saying, one person purchases the program, and now the key is in the wild for everyone else to use

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Dagmar:

Find the person with the key, and say "I propose a trade. This shotgun says your life is mine. I will allow you to purchase it for the price of the master key used to encrypt people's files."

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Dagmar:

wagner: I have a different idea about trade, once laws are already being ignored.

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dustybin:

justinh: have you finished burning audio cds

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justinh:

no I effing haven't

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dustybin:

eek

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justinh:

no I've not finished recording vinyl either

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Dagmar:

sphery; There's nothing to do it in the thing so far

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justinh:

dustybin: oh it's a big job alright

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Works fine in IE... (experts-exchange) — just scroll down to the bottom...

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Dagmar:

As many times as I go through the setup menus (all of them) each month, I'd notice if it were in there.

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Dagmar:

:)

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dustybin:

justinh: i hope you are manually removing all those cracks and hisses too

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Dagmar:

I *just* did it again

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justinh:

got distracted making dropins to put into mixes earlier too :D

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sphery:

Dagmar: right--we don't have it now--but it shouldn't require changing the playback profile to switch

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justinh:

dustybin: just big ones

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dustybin:

ok

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sphery:

Should be on a per-rule or per-episode basis

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justinh:

doesn't sound like vinyl without the odd click here & there

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dustybin:

yep true

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justinh:

sounds amazing in the car!

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sphery:

(though we don't really have a per-episode approach available, now)

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Dagmar:

sphery: Yeah but the playback profile would be the appropriate place to put that setting IMHO

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justinh:

compare the 12" vinyl recording to a 7" version from CD – the difference is amazing

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Dagmar:

'cuz like pretty much everything I record on SciFi is like this

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dustybin:

justinh: i hope you havent forgot to record tina turner

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justinh:

the last thing I'd expect to be better on vinyl is stereo separation & high frequency response

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justinh:

dustybin: lol

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wagner:

youre saying the CDs are poorly mastered?

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Dagmar:

Weird. the uPnP pin setting seems to have "gone away" on me

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justinh:

no TT was ever played in the club, EVAH

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sphery:

wagner: I had hears it would take about 15M computers 1 year to crack the key through brute force ( http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . jan-encrypts ), and since there are likely far more computers that people would likely devote to such an exercise...

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Dagmar:

Clumsy DJs

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Dagmar:

sphery: One guy with a shotgun could get the key in 10 minutes tho

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sphery:

true

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wagner:

Dagmar: after a month of searching for said person

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sphery:

or, if note, make sure they don't need to get another key for his next revision :)

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justinh:

only places I've ever heard TT being played are gay clubs & facking AWFUL club singers

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Dagmar:

wow

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Dagmar:

Very few DJs here work only on CDs

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justinh:

Dagmar: TT == Tina turner

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Dagmar:

It's too easy for someone to fake skillz with buttons and an expensive CD mixer

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Dagmar:

Oh

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Dagmar:

lol

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justinh:

it's bloody well not easier to mix on CD Dagmar

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Dagmar:

So, in case i'm having some temporary blindness, where the hell is the PIN setup for the uPnP?

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wagner:

Dagmar: its in mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

Yeah but where

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wagner:

the only time you see it on the frontend is when you first set it up

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Dagmar:

I just went rhgouth that and must have missed it

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wagner:

general settings, first page (i think)

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justinh:

Dagmar: if you can mix, you can mix. if you can't mix, you *still* can't mix on CD. there are exceptions of course but no fancy CD player can perform long-running mixes

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Dagmar:

Ah there we go

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Dagmar:

justinh: Ther'es "beat match" buttons on the pricier units

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justinh:

Dagmar: no use for mixes longer than 10 secs usually

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justinh:

I do long runners, keyed into phrasing in the music

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Dagmar:

Nope, I've screwed around with one

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justinh:

sometimes with 3 or more :)

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Dagmar:

If you're not an idiot and the thing is picking up the BPM correctly, you can actually get the things to cue when and how fast you like

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Dagmar:

It's still pussilanimous tho

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justinh:

Dagmar: yeah but – how many current DJs aren't idiots though? ;)

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justinh:

if CD mixing was so automagical then why do so many bar & club DJs sound like train wrecks?

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Dagmar:

Everyone who'd seen Keoki perform more than twice I suspect

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Dagmar:

;)

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justinh:

who?

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Dagmar:

justinh: Because the bar for excellence they use was set in strip clubs

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Dagmar:

justinh: DJ Keoki? YOu don't know who he is?

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Dagmar:

The biggest drug fuckup in the DJ circuit to this day

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Dagmar:

He did a gig here where he spun a 45 minute set of caterpillar's various remixes and thought he was done because he was so coked up

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justinh:

never heard of him

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Dagmar:

There's a movie about club kids, starring that little kid from Home Alone...

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dustybin:

check out the C64 and the young codemasters: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7452798.stm

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Dagmar:

Keoki is one of the fuckups in the movie

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Dagmar:

It's not like they're not all fuckups, but this is basically what kind of fuckup he is

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justinh:

heard satoshi tomie play last saturday. he was really good

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Dagmar:

If you ahve to deal with him, expect him to ask who has the drugs the moment he gets in the car

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Dagmar:

DJ Inertia actually threw him off the stage at a gig in Phoenix. It was an epic moment.

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justinh:

heheh

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Dagmar:

Called him "an embarrassment to all DJs everywhere" in front of oh, 15,000 people

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justinh:

why on God's Earth does Audacity expect somebody to hold down ctrl to scroll with the mousewheel when the mousewheel doesn't do anything by itself? fucking annoying, that

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Dagmar:

My mousewheel scrolls by itself

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justinh:

er.. not scroll. I meant zoom. oops

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Dagmar:

As to what it's doing with Audacity

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Dagmar:

Oh, because that's a meta behaviour

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Dagmar:

Since everyone expects the scroll wheel they have to do "up and down" things, anything else is going to be alt+ and ctrl+ just like it is in Inkscape and so forth

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justinh:

pfff. linux's fault then

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Dagmar:

...which actually makes sense when you *don't* want t have to retrain users on each and every app

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Dagmar:

Like, you ever tried to use Blender?

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justinh:

tried

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Dagmar:

Yeah see, they didn't have a lot of choice, but the main issue there is completely _not_ taking user expectations of what certain functions in a GUI should do are going to be

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Dagmar:

Things used to be MUCH worse before Qt and GTK+ came about to give people a common set of "predictable" operations

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wagner:

i still havent found a linux media player that i like even close to winamp

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wagner:

especially since they added the media library

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justinh:

does winamp still take a stupid amount of time to load?

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justinh:

I stopped using it after version 2

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wagner:

with some 50 days of audio in my playlist, the GUI pops up after 3 seconds, its finished loading after 6

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wagner:

version 3 sucked

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justinh:

anyway – just doing a double-take dustybin – HISS on vinyl? no audible noise in my preamp :)

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wagner:

so they completely skipped verion 4, and made a version 5, which was basically version 2 with the advanced database library and plugin/skin support

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justinh:

heh

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dustybin:

wagner: exaile is pretty minimal and doesnt use too many deps

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dustybin:

it looks nice on xfce

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wagner:

dustybin: ive been using exaile recently. it just doesnt really have any options to customize

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wagner:

plus ive grown to love the WA media library, exaile pales in comparison

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wagner:

xmms/audacity doesn't even attempt to make one

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dustybin:

what is the WA media library? radio streams?

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wagner:

and amarok is just to large to run on my laptop

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dustybin:

wagner: use moc for music and mplayer to play radio streams, job done :)

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dustybin:

http://moc.daper.net/

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wagner:

the media library is just what its name says, a library, makes it easier to manage your collection

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dustybin:

i havent a clue how WA works, been many years since i touched it

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wagner:

dustybin: http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/waml.jpg

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wagner:

i assume its similar in function to itunes, but ive never used itunes

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dustybin:

wagner: yes i have seen that before

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dustybin:

never used it in depth

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xris-mob:

Grumble. Nickserv lost my mobile nick

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wagner:

not use it frequently enough?

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xris-mob:

Nope

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xris-mob:

Thought it would keep it if it was attached to my normal one

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sphery:

xris-mob: I realize you're on the road, now, but thought I'd mention. Dagmar and I were just discussing the "bot deleted all my recordings" thing and are pretty certain it's only happening because the bot gets the lite template (i.e. maybe it HTTP-ACCEPT's wap or something) since default requires javascript to delete.

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sphery:

Haven't tested it with Googlebot, but what do you think of something like: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythweb-d . . . awlers.patch

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sphery:

Might appease the #2517 pundits. :)

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wagner:

bot deleted all my recordings? as in googlebot spidered your mythweb page and clicked on all the 'delete' links?

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sphery:

yeah

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xris-mob:

Can't see the patch but it would be easy to add a robot mets header to deny all

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sphery:

(not "my" as in me, but "my" as in people on the list)

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wagner:

why not just added a default robots.txt to a module

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sphery:

xris-mob: the patch just checked for a couple of bot User-Agents and set the template to default

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wagner:

does it attempt to grab that for each folder? or just the root of the web server?

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xris-mob:

Mythweb doesn't serve files directly

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wagner:

right, you would simulate it with a module

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dustybin:

whoever has mythweb open to the internet deserves their recordings to be deleted

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wagner:

or, just put an exception in the rewrite commands

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xris-mob:

Could, but meta might be easier

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Dagmar:

robots.txt only works at the root of a webserver

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Dagmar:

...unfortunately.

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** mkrufky finally going home **

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mkrufky:

ttyl guys

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sphery:

wagner: the right approach is to not let bots into your Myth, but this is a "why exacerbate the situation by giving them a no-JavaScript template" approach

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wagner:

maybe set up a default password (or randomize one when the server is 'built')

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xris-mob:

I might have time to look at it in the next few days. or tell kormoc to add it. IFLOOR https website has a good example

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wagner:

so its always protected

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wagner:

let people who know what theyre doing disable it

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sphery:

wagner: the install instructions explain how to set up a password

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sphery:

people just don't read it

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wagner:

well then you're back at dustybin's sentiment, RTFM

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sphery:

Yeah, I agree with that sentiment.

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Dagmar:

It can be worse

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Dagmar:

http://bitworking.org/news/I_m_sorry__I_can_t . . . e_it_better_

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wagner:

its all fun and games until googlebot deletes your stories

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sphery:

Dagmar: in theory, no one should be using a "download every link" "accelerator" on a system using the lite template, right?

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xris-mob:

Ok phone battery getting low. Will hopefully pop back in when I get to Paris. Waiting in the airport is boring

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sphery:

have fun in Europa

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sphery:

Europe

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xris-mob:

:)

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Dagmar:

sphery: In theory

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Dagmar:

The accellerators I've dorked with (mainly looking to debunk them) used the same Agent string as the browser to avoid things going berzerk

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sphery:

yeah, so if they're using the default template--which uses javascript for most "bad" stuff--it shouldn't be a problem, regardless of UA string

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders what airport xris is in... Boston? ;-) That's just 30 miles from me... **

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: had you asked, you could have popped in and bought him a beer.

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sphery:

Of course, buying the ticket to get past security would have made that a very expensive beer.

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hehe... ;-)

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sphery:

Not to mention the uncomfortable security check you'd be likely to get buying a last-minute ticket in Boston (of all airports)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Yeah, no kidding. ;-)

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wagner:

ive never actually tried, but what happens if you leave security on a layover?

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wagner:

you still have a boarding pass, so i assume you can get back in

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sphery:

I think you just go back through.

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wagner:

its just a hassle

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sphery:

Yeah. I think I did it by accident one time (walking on auto-pilot, but forgetting my destination that week)

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Dagmar:

Full body cavity search.

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J-e-f-f-A:

DOH!

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|Torg|:

just tell them you went outside to smoke, show them your ID and go back though security

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Dagmar:

I am so irritated with the "security measures" in place at airports now, I fully expect to be detained for just trying to drop off my gf at the airport next week

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wagner:

sir, that laptop looks too thin to be a real laptop, were going to ask that you disassemble it for is

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'd say "No problem!" ;-)

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Dagmar:

Anyone asking to search my car, or even looking at me funny is probably going to be met with "DO I LOOK LIKE A @#$@ TERRORIST TO YOU, FASCIST BOY?"

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|Torg|:

just make sure your boarding pass does not have "sssss" on it

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Dagmar:

"We will need the password to your laptop so we can search it."

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Dagmar:

A: "It's good to want things."

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Dagmar:

I've been there.

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Dagmar:

On a *domestic* flight someone tried

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|Torg|:

no Dagmar no TSA agent has ever asked me to turn on eitehr of my latops

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Dagmar:

Torg: Shit man, I used to get the full shoes-off wanding and pockets reached into search "randomly" on *every* change of planes

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Dagmar:

...which is part of the reason I'm so hostile to them now.

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sphery:

Dagmar: someone is talking about having homeland screen all laptops--including encrypted data--coming into and leaving the US...

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Dagmar:

THey are *just* making policies to justify being busybody, heavy-handed thugs, so they can *look* like they're doing something important

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|Torg|:

hell I travel every week, even into Regan National (the one the TSA is paranoid about)

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Dagmar:

sphery: Yeah, they'll have a lot of fun with that. Most cyberpunk-types are going to just say "No, that's 40Gb of entropy and I challenge you to find mathematicians who can prove otherwise."

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wagner:

Dagmar: even though it accomplishes nothing, the general public would be worried about attacks if they didnt do it

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Dagmar:

I'm more worried about attacks from my own gov't.

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Dagmar:

My special favorite thing they were doing was calling out the seats of people who were going to be randomly searched, while everyone was still sitting around in the boarding area.

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|Torg|:

Dagmar: whre did they do this?

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Dagmar:

"*chime* Would the passengers sitting in seats 22A, 34B, 19E, and 4C please give your weapons to the people you are traveling with before approaching the counter to be randomly searched."

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Dagmar:

Torg: Just about everywhere for the four months or so it took people like me to make a big stink after they started being dicks about "increased security"

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wagner:

i kind of like the chemical sensors, the jets of air wake you up passing through security at 5:30 in the morning

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Dagmar:

I don't mind the sniffers.

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J-e-f-f-A:

The airport x-ray machine fried my secureid token a few weeks ago...

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Dagmar:

They're looking for specific things, they're good at not misdetecting things, and everyone knows what they're looking for.

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sphery:

what about the 38 (?) airports getting the body scanners

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Dagmar:

It's the guys in the back opening one's luggage and riffling through underwear that's some bullshit

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|Torg|:

ok well I have traveld over 2,000,000 miles with American Airlines (yes im perminant gold with them), fly 2–4 times a week and have already made platinum stus with them in 4 months

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iamlindoro:

Hmmm... Ya know, even at 13.5 Mbit, the stuttering isn't *that* bad on my E4500 w/ a recording from the HD-PVR. I think switching to VBR might just make this playable

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sphery:

Dagmar: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/ . . . 20-20405885/

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|Torg|:

belive me I tralvel ALLOT

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Dagmar:

Bags get lost enough without some jackass rummaging about in my carefully packed bags

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|Torg|:

and nothing like what you decribe have I seen

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Dagmar:

Anything big enough to blow up the goddamn plane from the underside will necessarily NEED to be damn large

[01:02:14]

Dagmar:

They don't need to go opening freaking pill bottles and stuff

[01:02:17]

Dagmar:

...but they do.

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Dagmar:

Torg: I can guarantee you that AA and UA and USair were all doing this for at least six months after 9/11 because I had to fly on all of them

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Dagmar:

Out of 19 flights with two legs each, I got searched thoroughly EVERY time

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Dagmar:

...because they just looove looking at flashy laptops

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|Torg|:

I flew before and after 9/11 in fact I was stuck in Toronto and could no cros the boparder duing the days immediatly after 9/11

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|Torg|:

I fly with two laptops, one for business and one for play

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wagner:

free vacation!

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Dagmar:

Same here.

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|Torg|:

I take both out, put them into two bins, my shoes in a third and go though secoruty

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Dagmar:

You probably look normal.

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Dagmar:

I don't.

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Dagmar:

I had paper white bleached hair

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|Torg|:

I do this just about every Monday and Friday, and sometimes days in between

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Dagmar:

These people watch too much goddamn TV.

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sphery:

|Torg|: when I realized I can't get any real work done on the road, my business laptop became a play laptop :)

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Dagmar:

They think anyone dressed like something out of a comic book must necessarily BE a super villain of some sort.

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Dagmar:

...and since all they do is sit at home and watch TV and don't get out much, it doesn't take much to achieve "super villain" status in their eyes

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purserj:

Dagmar: stop wearing the Venom costume then

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Dagmar:

See, there's one problem right there

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Dagmar:

Venom would eat the pilot and some of the passengers, but he wouldn't blow up the plane

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wagner:

funny thing that people who actually do have something to hide tend to be rather non-descript

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wagner:

and if theyre any good at their job, theyre very calm

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Dagmar:

Making the assumption he "might" is like putting people who have shoplifted or gotten a speeding ticket into the same category as "might like to hijack the flight to go to Cuba"

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Dagmar:

Man Canadian customs was having a "that time of the month" day the last time I went through them

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Dagmar:

They asked me if I planned on stealing any music while I was there because I had a couple of blank CDs

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purserj:

Dagmar: eating the pilot is as good as blowing up the plane

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Dagmar:

purs: He'd have to be hungry first tho

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wagner:

hell no, eating the pilot is so much better than blowing up the plane

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wagner:

so much more original

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Dagmar:

Keep those peanuts coming and he'd be fine

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Dagmar:

I had to bite my tongue to answer that question.

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Dagmar:

I wanted to say "Canada has music?"

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Dagmar:

Seriously, when you have a 768k SDSL line at home and your'e going to Canada for a week, which is going to be the better way to pirate music?

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Dagmar:

a) download a stack of CDs as tall as you over the SDSL line or...

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Dagmar:

b) copy three CDs onto blanks while you're there.

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wagner:

spend the $50 to download the 3 CDs over the hotel pay-internet

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Dagmar:

I had to keep my mouth shut because I did have some serious crypto I wasn't sure if it was kosher for me to be taking across the border without a postcard to teh secret service first

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Dagmar:

I wasn't even thinking about it until then, and neither did they thankfully

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wagner:

export violations and such?

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Dagmar:

We'd have been tied up over that for days

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wagner:

export control...

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

I knew about taking it into China and such because those were business trips and I was on business

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Dagmar:

Canada however... completely unknown territory from where I stood.

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sphery:

wagner: any more the treacherous types aren't so nondescript. They figured out a clever man would dress nondescript, because he would know that only a great fool would draw attention to himself. They are not great fools, so they can clearly not choose to draw attention to themselves. But they know we know they're not great fools, we would have counted on it, so they can clearly not choose to be nondescript...

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Dagmar:

sphery: Yeah, lunacy straight out of The Princess Bride

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sphery:

so many life lessons in that movie

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Dagmar:

But still, only in movies do supervillains dress like supervillains.

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wagner:

we don't hire foreign students to work at our cluster so we dont have do deal with the export control issue

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Dagmar:

The sad thing is that most of what I was wearing when I went through Canadian customs I got from a store called "Villains" in SF

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sphery:

lol

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Dagmar:

I was like 'Yeah I look like a super-villain. People leave me the hell alone as a result."

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sphery:

tags on the clothes that said, "Villians" would have been classic.

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wagner:

if it were straight out of the princess bride, the clever villains would offer to share a drink with the security guys

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Dagmar:

You just *don't* get mugged, ever, when it looks like you might pull out a chainsaw or double chrome-plated shotguns.

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sphery:

after building up a tolerance to iocane powder...

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purserj:

Dagmar: I tend to get that as well. I don't look like a villain, but six foot four guys don't tend to get picked on quite so much

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I dress to avoid trouble because I fight dirty and some injuries are hard to explain to the police.

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Dagmar:

They don't like the "I was panicked" answer about why someone is missing an eye

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Dagmar:

...and by god I will maim first if that's what strikes me as the quick solution to a problem

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wagner:

see now... youre just thinking too sensibly

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Dagmar:

My sensei taught me that it's more important that someone *knows* they've been beaten, than to actually "win" a fight.

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wagner:

people being attacked arent rational, so you must have been the attacker!

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Dagmar:

Someone who thinks they've still got a shot may get back up and get lucky.

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Dagmar:

Someone you just axe-kicked into next week, not so much.

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purserj:

put em down so they don't get up and try again

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Dagmar:

When you're wearing more leather and chrome than a dominatrix catalogue, they REALLY tend to think things over carefully

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Dagmar:

Anyone who goes ahead can be assumed to be someone you need to pull out all the stops for because they're on PCP or some shit.

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Dagmar:

...but airport security is always staffed by small-minded townies. *sigh*

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flindet:

anyone here using lirc_mod_mce?

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|Torg|:

yes sphery, my play laptop mostly has my mythtv recodings, I watch them on the plane

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justinh:

hahaha found Musto & Bones – dangerous on the dancefloor

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gizmobay:

Anyone have a way to turn off the monitor by using a script. I downloaded a power button script for mythtv which either strats the frontend or kills the frontend. The only problem is the monitor stays on brightly even though my background is black. I tried adding the xset dpms force off to my power button script but this doesn't work

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iamlindoro:

This sounds like a job for... duh duh duh duhhhhhh... an IR blaster!

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gizmobay:

I have an IR Blaster but the signal is too weak to make it to the monitor

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iamlindoro:

The IR blaster is supposed to be stuck on the front of the IR "eye"

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iamlindoro:

It's not supposed to be in your den under a pile of clothes :)

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gizmobay:

I have mine in the computer case to keep it warm

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Or you just get a transciever so powerful that when it goes off, the famliy cat freaks out

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Dagmar:

...since cats can see a bit of that

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Dagmar:

Did the deinterlacer options just "go away" or something?

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Dagmar:

hint: `modinfo modulename`

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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gizmobay:

I figured it out. Needed to add a monitor status check to the script then do force off

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GreyFoxx:

Dag: You go into edit the video profile, and the deinterlacer is on the second page

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Dagmar:

Edit the video profile?

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gizmobay:

yeah then second screen

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Dagmar:

Second screen of which menu in the frontend tho? I must have missed it five times at least by now

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gizmobay:

Playback then a few screens in it says profile like Slim, CPU++

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gizmobay:

select edit

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gizmobay:

then you'll see the rez setups

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Dagmar:

AHA!

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gizmobay:

hit next and you'll see the de-inter

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Dagmar:

Okay, I have never looked under the edit buttons

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Dagmar:

THis would be where the damn loopfilter option had run off to as well. Excellent, thanks!

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Dagmar:

I'm not kidding when I say I went through all the setup menus multiple times looking for it

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gizmobay:

easy to miss

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Dagmar:

ooo

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gizmobay:

iii

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Dagmar:

Looks like xvmc and opengl still don't like each other much

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gizmobay:

you mean xvmc-opengl

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

frontend-fall-down-go-boom

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gizmobay:

the rendering

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gizmobay:

you have to compile to get it

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Dagmar:

Joy

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gizmobay:

you can use opengl under appearance and then xvmc under profiles

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gizmobay:

but using xvmx-opengl

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gizmobay:

under prfolies

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gizmobay:

no worky

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Dagmar:

I noticed

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gizmobay:

found a cheap 5200 so can get color OSD

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gizmobay:

assuming I get my rebate

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Dagmar:

Wouldn't a rebate make those just about free?

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Dagmar:

THey cant be selling them for much now

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gizmobay:

yeah 12 bucks

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gizmobay:

after rebate

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Dagmar:

If there were more of us, it would be worth it to hassle nVidia to make *more* of those cards.

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Dagmar:

They're just about effing perfect for this

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Dagmar:

Wow I'm an idiot for playing with thsoe settings while BSG is recording

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Dagmar:

Certain combinations used to result in a complete crash of the box

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gizmobay:

what's bsg

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Dagmar:

Battlestar Galactica

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wagner:

battlestar gallactica

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gizmobay:

oic

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Dagmar:

Wow I should have banged in a custom config in that section agesago

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Dagmar:

My display is just so much cleaner now

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gizmobay:

yeah runs smoother

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gizmobay:

my problem was with the guide

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Dagmar:

I'm back to not having to give a damn about interlacing again and that makes me happy

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gizmobay:

running slow

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gizmobay:

u turned it off

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Dagmar:

Actually, I just created a NEW one with one line only, and that uses opengl for everything

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Dagmar:

I'm just counting on XvMC/XV magic and OpenGL

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Dagmar:

No flicker, no artifacting, and I swear definitely an improvement on scaling

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gizmobay:

HD or SD?

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Dagmar:

Sd

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gizmobay:

wow

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gizmobay:

mine looks crummy without de-inter

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Dagmar:

I'm using a VGA input on my TV

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gizmobay:

you ever try DVI

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Dagmar:

If my TV had a DVI input I'd think about it

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Dagmar:

...but it only has HDMI, Composite, Component, and VGA

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gizmobay:

flat panel?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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gizmobay:

I'm about to buy one

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gizmobay:

not sure how to hook it up

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Dagmar:

You will find that LCD panels tend to treat teh different inputs differently based on expectation

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gizmobay:

just using comp monitor

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Dagmar:

Using VGA, this thing expects that someone's feeding it the output frmo a computer so it doesn't fuck with it

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gizmobay:

I figure VGA is the easiest

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Dagmar:

So I get 1360x768 resolution, and no fishy comb-filtering going on

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Dagmar:

...which is why I was aiming for OpenGL.

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Dagmar:

I'll screw around with that more when a complete crash *won't* mean frantically hitting up PirateBay

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gizmobay:

I wonder if a DVI to HDMI cable would work

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GreyFoxx:

dag: I use a DVI to HDMI cable into my flatscreen at 1366x768 and it looks amazing

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Dagmar:

They will, but the TV might decide it needs to do cleanups or rescaling then

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gizmobay:

greyfoxx, did you have to edit the xorg.conf to make it work?

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GreyFoxx:

gizo: I always make custom X configs

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Dagmar:

gizmobay: Things with respect to that are much easier than you think.

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GreyFoxx:

but the nvidia-settings app did make one that worked with it just fine

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Dagmar:

Mainly, plug the thing in, and use (whassit?) xorgsetup I think to get it to try to probe everything and make a config

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GreyFoxx:

I've got dual pcie cards in thsi box. one feeding the lcd, the other feeding the projector, each with it's own seperate X session

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Dagmar:

Whichever one inits X and gives you an ugly xforms summary you have to click OK on

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Dagmar:

If EDID works like it's supposed to, Xorg will be able to get things right without being told anything fancy like refresh rates or resolutions

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gizmobay:

did you have to use vmware, greyfoxx?

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GreyFoxx:

giz: for what?

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Dagmar:

Why would he need that for two video cards?

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GreyFoxx:

I just have 2 defined layouts in my xorg.conf

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gizmobay:

for two x sessions?

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gizmobay:

oic

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Dagmar:

Dude, X has come a LONG way very fast since forking away from XFree

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GreyFoxx:

and I start X and tell it which -layout to use

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GreyFoxx:

su – mythtv -c "bash -l startx -- :0 -layout LCDTV -dpi 100" &

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GreyFoxx:

sleep 5

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GreyFoxx:

su – projector -c "bash -l startx -- :1 -novtswitch -sharevts -layout PROJECTORSCREEN -dpi 100"&

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Dagmar:

We're easily 10–15 years ahead of where we would be at the rate things were progressing before

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gizmobay:

i see

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Dagmar:

Xfree was focusing on the hardware and displays that were common.

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gizmobay:

what do i know. lol

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Dagmar:

THe Xorg devs on the other hand, were buying weird shit that typified edge cases and making them work

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gizmobay:

dagmar, how long u been using linux?

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GreyFoxx:

There are a few of us old dragons in this channel :)

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iamlindoro:

Holy Crap, BSG is must-see TV tonight, this is amazing

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GreyFoxx:

I have it recorrding right now

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wagner:

must-see-tv?

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Dagmar:

gizmo: Ages

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gizmobay:

i'm watching cspan

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gizmobay:

a must see

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gizmobay:

lol

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Dagmar:

Like, since the early 90's

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gizmobay:

41

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Dagmar:

Fist one I installed was Slackware 3.0

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** GreyFoxx has been Slackwarew lover since a few days after it's first release **

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wagner:

yeah, im a relative young'un around here

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Dagmar:

...and I'd been using um... "other people's" unix machines for a few years before that

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wagner:

ive only been using it from around 2001

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GreyFoxx:

this sept marks my 17th year on IRC heh

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iamlindoro:

I want everyone to make note of my prediction about how this half-season would end last week, by the way...

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iamlindoro:

Because I am *so* about to be proven right

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iamlindoro:

And I'll say no more, you can check the logs after you've seen it :)

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wagner:

*gasp*... they end on a cliff hanger

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gizmobay:

was slackware one of the eralier linux distros?

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GreyFoxx:

gizo: yes

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GreyFoxx:

and is thge oldest still running

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wagner:

earlier --> earliest

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gizmobay:

1.0 in 1993

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wagner:

the first kernel wasnt even made available until late 91 was it?

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GreyFoxx:

Sometime in 90/91

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GreyFoxx:

I had an old shareware cd with it from around 91

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gizmobay:

wiki syas 1991

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gizmobay:

*says

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wagner:

the operating system of the subgenius...

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iamlindoro:

I WAS SO FRACKING RIGHT

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iamlindoro:

*ahem* I mean, I appear to have been correct

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wagner:

on the internets, we use real fucking vulgarity

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Dagmar:

How so?

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Dagmar:

You said it would end LAST WEEK

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: No I didn't, I said how it would end last week

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Dagmar:

Oh

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iamlindoro:

as in, how this episode would end

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Dagmar:

Well, we'll see.

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Dagmar:

I have my suspicions, but the plot has been pretty rigid so far

[02:58:43]

fryfrog:

you shut your pie holes

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fryfrog:

SHUT THEM HARD

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Dagmar:

lol

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fryfrog:

well, unless you don't plan on giving anything away

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wagner:

the captain is a cylon!

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fryfrog:

then you are authorized to continue

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Dagmar:

EVERYONE'S A CYLON! OMG!

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fryfrog:

I HATE YOU!

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: don't worry, wagner doesn't appear to like BSG

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: so he's talking shit to those who do

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fryfrog:

oic

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wagner:

rather, i am waiting until the series ends, so i can watch it one shot

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fryfrog:

bsg is awesome, change your opinion or prepare to be incorrect!

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fryfrog:

ah

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Dagmar:

They find out everyone is a cyclon, decide they have no idea what to think about that otehr than it makes fighting someone pointless, so everyone flies to New Caprica and takes up playing Pinochle and tries not to think about it much

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iamlindoro:

There is a giant forest fire near my home, the sky is black

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iamlindoro:

It's unbelievable out there

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wagner:

thats in... virginia?

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Dagmar:

Spiders the size of your damn head

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iamlindoro:

nope, CA

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wagner:

ah, i saw reports of fires somewhere on the east coast as well

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Dagmar:

Fire season starting early?

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GreyFoxx:

there is a massive forrest fire here

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GreyFoxx:

started mid afternoon

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GreyFoxx:

my parents have no power and are likely gonna be evacuated tonight

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GreyFoxx:

as most areas nearby have already been

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Dagmar:

Which city is nearest/

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GreyFoxx:

Halifax, Nova Scotia

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9007212.html

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GreyFoxx:

A coworder of mine is a firefighter out there working on it

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Dagmar:

Bummer

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Dagmar:

I *guess* it's lucky that forest fires are one thing I don't have to worry about here

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GreyFoxx:

My sister and her little one are staying here in town with me

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GreyFoxx:

my parents might be here eventually :)

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GreyFoxx:

gonna be a busy house :)

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wagner:

seems a bunch of climate protesters in england have halted a train carrying coal to a power plant

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wagner:

theres video of them on top of the train, shoveling the coal out onto the adjacent tracks

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wagner:

why have they not been arrested?

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wagner:

isnt that destruction of private property?

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wagner:

railroads over here are privately owned, that can be considered trespassing

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whoDat_:

i deleted a bunch of channels i didnt want in the channel table, and when I reran mythfill it added the channels back in..?

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Dagmar:

So login to Sd's site and delete them there, too.

[03:15:01]

wagner:

yeah, it can do that

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whoDat_:

wagner: what is the proper way to keep channels off that i dont want, that the schedules direct lineup has?

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wagner:

whodat_: read dagmar's suggestion

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whoDat_:

cant do that i dont think. because sd only allows you to have multiple selections of the same lineup

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whoDat_:

err doesnt allow you to have multiple, only one

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wagner:

why would you have multiple copies of the same lineup?

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whoDat_:

(my tuner card needs channels 1–66 on it and my svideo connection input needs 1–700 or so off it)

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wagner:

so you use the tuner card for analog, and then use the svideo for digital channels?

[03:19:17]

wagner:

those should be two separate lineups

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fryfrog:

you sure SD doesn't let you have two seperate lineups for the same place?

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whoDat_:

i dont think it does, fryfrog, i tried.

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whoDat_:

how are other people doing this? lol

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wagner:

they should have two separate lineups for your cable provider, one for analog and one for digital

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Dagmar:

This is something it's supposed to support

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wagner:

if not, you payed for the service, contact them and bitch

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wagner:

*paid

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whoDat_:

i am checking it again now

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wagner:

how do you get hybrid tuners to not conflict in mythtv? does it just automatically detect it?

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Dagmar:

input groups

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whoDat_:

yaeh, when i say add a new lineup, the one i already have selected is greyed out again, so it wont let me add it again as a seperate lineup

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whoDat_:

yeah, input groups

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whoDat_:

oh well, i guess i will create a sql script to run right after mythfill does every time.

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whoDat_:

i just figured there was something I was missing

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Dagmar:

Yep. "stream always" kills mythcomflagger performance

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wagner:

am i correct in assuming this is the tuner for the analog channels, and the video input for the digital channels?

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whoDat_:

me?

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wagner:

yes

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whoDat_:

i have 2 tuners with the coax going directly into them. so they can only pick up 1–70. (the non-digital)

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whoDat_:

then i have 1 svideo going to the cable box to get all channels.

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wagner:

so... yes

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wagner:

you should have two different lineups available from SD for your cable provider

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wagner:

one is the analog lineup, the other is the digital lineup

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whoDat_:

i have 2 sources created in mythbackend... "sd cable" and "digital cable"

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wagner:

right, and they should be two separate lineups in SD

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whoDat_:

oic yaeh, that should work wagner. thanks!

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whoDat_:

i just kept wanting to use the same one twice, cause i knew it had the channels i needed. strange that you cant do that.

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fryfrog:

you can, but it is much harder

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fryfrog:

at least, i think you can :)

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whoDat_:

a hidden button no the website? lol

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whoDat_:

on

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wagner:

you probably have to add it manually from the address bar

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fryfrog:

no, manual editing of your channel linups, xmltvid editing, stuff like that

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fryfrog:

in the db

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whoDat_:

ahh

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fryfrog:

and maybe running mythfilldatabase with the --don'taddnewchannels option

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fryfrog:

whoDat_: you might consider having one card *only* have the svideo

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fryfrog:

ie card1 -> stb w/ svideo and card2 -> analog cable

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fryfrog:

having both hooked up is... redundant

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fryfrog:

also, does your stb have firewire? can you get one with it?

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wagner:

firewire would probably not be worthwhile

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wagner:

since most of the channels would likely be blocked

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fryfrog:

mine are all open

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fryfrog:

both here in CA and in GA

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wagner:

i suppose its always worth a try

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wagner:

considering its free

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fryfrog:

i think it is at least worth a test :)

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fryfrog:

especially if you already have one with firewire *or* you are renting a box anyway (maybe you can "upgrade" to one w/ firewire for free)

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wagner:

i thought they were required to provide a firewire one at no additional cost

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fryfrog:

in theory

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fryfrog:

in reality, i think only their HD boxes have firewire (at least, with comcast)

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fryfrog:

i wonder if you don't sign up for any HD... will they give you an HD box? :)

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whoDat_:

yes i have firewire .. that is another issue, i can only get channels 403–411 on firewire

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fryfrog:

lame :/

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fryfrog:

and... what a weird set of channels

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wagner:

your comcast boxes are open?

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whoDat_:

so back to the same problem..i need a lineup with only 403–411

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fryfrog:

i don't think i'd bother :/

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whoDat_:

its all the network channels in HD though ;)

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fryfrog:

oh, not bad then!

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wagner:

well send a support request into SD to see if you can get two independent lineups from the same source

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fryfrog:

well, better than nothing i think is a better term

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whoDat_:

so how do i do the lineup for that though? hehe

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fryfrog:

good question :/

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whoDat_:

oh, a request. ok

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fryfrog:

oh, there ya go :)

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whoDat_:

hmm why did you want me to only use svideo for that tuner? i have it set to use both svideo and SD

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wagner:

like i said earlier, you paid for the right to bitch when necessary

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whoDat_:

that gives me 2 sd tunners instead of 1

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wagner:

because you already have all the channels available through the svideo input

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whoDat_:

unless your saying it cant record svideo and sd tuner at the same time

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wagner:

you still only have one tuner

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fryfrog:

whoDat_: if tuner 1 gets 1–70 (analog) and tuner2 gets 1–700 via svideo

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wagner:

*i believe*

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fryfrog:

what is the point of having the 1–70 in analog?

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fryfrog:

whoDat_: unless you have a *very* special card, it will only record 1 or the otehr

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fryfrog:

what are you using?

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wagner:

ive never actually tried to record off both the tuner and inputs on my card, but i assume it wouldnt work

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whoDat_:

pvr500 so its all one card, really

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fryfrog:

oh, well then you only have one analog cable hooked up

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whoDat_:

svideo doesnt require a tuner

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fryfrog:

that second stub is for FM

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fryfrog:

no, but it requires the mpeg2 encoder of which there are only 2

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whoDat_:

so i figure it can record 3 "signals" at once including the svideo

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fryfrog:

incorrect

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fryfrog:

but it'd be nice :)

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whoDat_:

oh, encoder. mleeeeh

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wagner:

it would be nice, yes... but no

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fryfrog:

you have 2 mpeg2 encoders, you get 2 simultanious singals any way you fudge it out :)

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whoDat_:

this all got complicated when i

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whoDat_:

started dealing with a cable box

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fryfrog:

i have 2 cable boxes :0

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fryfrog:

just use firewire though

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagner: PVR500? The s-video on the card is for the 1st tuner.

[03:43:27]

wagner:

just wait until you want to get HD quality over the cable

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fryfrog:

i'm really, really considering getting haupage's new hd-pvr

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whoDat_:

i can get hd through firewire

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fryfrog:

J-e-f-f-A: but there is a daughter card to put svideo onto tuner 2

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whoDat_:

when the damn thing feels like priming any

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagner: I have 2 Dish Sat receivers feeding S-Video to the PVR-500, with irblasters changing channels on each.

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whoDat_:

anyway. its really fidgity about that

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fryfrog:

mine are too :/

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fryfrog:

and fail like half of my recordings!

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: Yeah, and that s-video input is shared with tuner2's mpeg encoder...

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fryfrog:

yup

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J-e-f-f-A:

Each tuner can only have one input selected – Tuner, Video in, or S-Video in...

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fryfrog:

like i said, 2 encoders means you only get "2" of anything (tuner, svideo, rca)

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whoDat_:

how do you get it to work again when its being a pain

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fryfrog:

lets see...

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whoDat_:

even when i reset the bus it doesnt work

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fryfrog:

a) rmmod and modprobe ieee1494 related modules

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fryfrog:

b) reset firewire bus

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whoDat_:

i tried both a and b

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fryfrog:

c) power cycle the STBs (while unhooked from firewire)

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fryfrog:

d) reboot server

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whoDat_:

its being a horses ass tonight though

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fryfrog:

e) run a script by uh, xris that will "prime" an idle STB

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fryfrog:

mine is a horses ass pretty much all the time :/

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wagner:

is there any way you can set up ext2/3 without permissions (besides just making everything 777)

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fryfrog:

I constantly get recordings that are of size "B"

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whoDat_:

are with twc?

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fryfrog:

wagner: use fat32?

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whoDat_:

are you

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fryfrog:

no, communistcast

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wagner:

i could use fat32... except im trying to partition a 300GB drive, and i want to do a single partition

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fryfrog:

ah

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whoDat_:

does that script seem to work better than firewire_tester with -R option

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fryfrog:

so do ext3 / nfs

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fryfrog:

er, xfs

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wagner:

permissionless?

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fryfrog:

why would you want to *skip* permissions?

[03:48:03]

fryfrog:

why?

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whoDat_:

fry: it takes like 5 minutes to reboot the cable box too. :(

[03:48:19]

wagner:

i want to be able to swap between my systems at home, and systems at work

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fryfrog:

whoDat_: no, in fact i think it is just that (and maybe -B)

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fryfrog:

but the trick is it does it every 15min while nothing is recording

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fryfrog:

wagner: what about perms stops that from working?

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whoDat_:

ahhhh

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fryfrog:

odd user-id mappings?

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wagner:

fat32 just automounts with permissions forced as the user logged in

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whoDat_:

what if your cable box happends to be recording on an sd channel though

[03:49:11]

wagner:

yeah, im user 1000 at home, user 1006 at work

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fryfrog:

i dunno

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whoDat_:

url for script? ;)

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fryfrog:

it is in svn, contrib dir, head

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fryfrog:

wagner: maybe if your 1006 user stays perm at work... just change yourself to 1006 at home?

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fryfrog:

or just make it 777

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wagner:

ive wormed my way into root access to everything at work, so it would probably be easiest just to do a mass chown every time i mount it

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wagner:

screw it, ill just make it two partitions

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whoDat_:

fry: so how did you do a lineup for your firewire

[03:52:15]

whoDat_:

or does your firewire get all the channels in the lineup

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fryfrog:

i only use firewire

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fryfrog:

so yeah, just one lineup

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whoDat_:

it gets all the channels? you doh

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whoDat_:

dog

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fryfrog:

well, all the chans i pay for :)

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fryfrog:

but of course, it is really, really unreliable

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fryfrog:

so....

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fryfrog:

i'm not *that* much of a dog

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whoDat_:

hehe

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wagner:

yeah, i get all of 8 channels over clearQAM here

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wagner:

i get double that over a crappy 'bunny ear' antenna

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whoDat_:

do you channel change over firewire or use ir blaster fry?

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wagner:

firewire

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fryfrog:

firewire

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whoDat_:

does that work even when not primed?

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fryfrog:

for me, that *always* works

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fryfrog:

which is why i'd switch to the hd-pvr

[03:55:28]

fryfrog:

channels change over firewire, capture over component

[03:55:43]

fryfrog:

it is just the $250 for a usb device that makes me choke up

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fryfrog:

and i'd want 2 of em

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whoDat_:

heh

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wagner:

yeah, i dont understand why they didnt make it firewire

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whoDat_:

usb device?

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wagner:

or at least dual firewire/usb

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wagner:

usb is pathetic for data transfer

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iamlindoro:

wagner: What does it matter when all you need is 13 Mbit?

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** whoDat_ wishes for the day when everything comes digitally unencrypted over direct coax. **

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iamlindoro:

And every PC has USB, not so w/ firewire

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wagner:

iamlindoro, youve got communication overhead, you have cpu overhead, youve got additional communication latency

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iamlindoro:

wagner: Please. You are still talking a *fraction* of USBs bandwidth

[03:58:21]

wagner:

i suppose...

[03:59:05]

fryfrog:

yeah, i have to say usb is not a bad choice, it is plenty fast

[03:59:21]

fryfrog:

i think i'd have perfered it be internal, pci-e or pci... but maybe there is to much stuff

[03:59:24]

wagner:

with firewire, you could have put it in-line with the cable box

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fryfrog:

the box is certainly pretty big

[03:59:29]

wagner:

so it changes channels directly

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fryfrog:

you mean just hooked hd-pvr -> cable box via firewire?

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fryfrog:

you'd still need component

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wagner:

yes, but you would only have one cable running to the computer

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and virtually EVERY pc has USB 2.0, wheras firewire is still hit-or-miss...

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fryfrog:

and you'd have to have a channel changer for *every* stb w/ firewire

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fryfrog:

yeah, i have to say i'd rather it be usb than firewire

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wagner:

i thought the firewire interfaces were supposed to be standardized

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fryfrog:

it is standardized, but *not* standard

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wagner:

well anyway, i imagine the bulk of the box is just to allow the passthru slots

[04:01:59]

wagner:

i dont see why they couldnt have an internal card in the future

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whoDat_:

fry have you narrowed down when you seem to lose prime?

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fryfrog:

we'll know when someone takes one apart :)

[04:02:20]

fryfrog:

whoDat_: no, it is just all the freaking time and randomly and a lot

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wagner:

people on avsforum have been taking them apart to fix supposed overheating

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whoDat_:

or does it appear to be completely and utterly random

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fryfrog:

oh, got a link to thread with pics?

[04:03:02]

whoDat_:

does it happen in the middle of a recording?

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iamlindoro:

For anyone interested in running HD-PVR material on anything but the most ungodly of systems, by the way, skiploopfilter patch is working wonders

[04:03:19]

fryfrog:

no, it seems to either be able to record or not

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iamlindoro:

Still need a beast of a system, but it has drastically improved things

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fryfrog:

cool, is that to resolve the issue of multi-threading not working?

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: I have tried it in the past for various other material, don't know why I didn't think of it before :) Yeah, just to gain a bit of extra speed

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fryfrog:

is that a patch to myth or something else?

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iamlindoro:

patch for myth

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fryfrog:

ah

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4653

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fryfrog:

whoDat_: oh yeah, and sometimes be will randomly seg fault too (due to firewire, i'm sure)

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whoDat_:

heh

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thoraxe:

man i wish there was an ivtv kmod on atrpms for fedora9

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whoDat_:

P2P: receiving packets... FAILED.

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whoDat_:

:(

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thoraxe:

that actualyl matched up with the kernels that come with fedora9

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thoraxe:

heh

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wagner:

i thought i remember seeing someone open one up to fix their overheating issues

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wagner:

but every board i come across, everyone is too afraid to and simply RMAs it

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wagner:

cant say i blame them

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fryfrog:

whoDat_: also, it seems that if i tune to certain channels first it primes more betterer

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davez0r:

so i just updated my mythtv-theme, and now a clock appears in the corner. I like the clock, but all the selector links disappear after 1 second. anyone seen that before?

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gizmobay:

which theme?

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davez0r:

its the Mythbuntu theme- maybe there's a mythbuntu channel I should ask?

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gizmobay:

using 0.21?

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davez0r:

yup

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gizmobay:

what rendering are you using?opengl or qt?

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davez0r:

the package that broke it was 20080208ubuntu1-gutsy1

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davez0r:

qt, but let me doublecheck

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davez0r:

nope, its set to opengl

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davez0r:

should i change it?

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davez0r:

guess i'll see if that fixes it

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gizmobay:

can you try another theme?

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gizmobay:

i tried qt and I had problems

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davez0r:

both qt and opengl show the same problem- i tried another them and the problem doesn't show

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gizmobay:

you tried another theme and it worked

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davez0r:

but... me no likey the other theme :P

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davez0r:

yeah, back to normal on the other teame

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davez0r:

let me describe what happens- the theme works

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davez0r:

it draws all the elements

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davez0r:

but they disappear

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davez0r:

if i move the cursor it redraws and I can see it

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fryfrog:

sounds like monkey buisiness!

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davez0r:

but then all the elements disappear- does that make sense?

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davez0r:

they stay onscreen for about a second

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gizmobay:

have you tried rebooting?

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gizmobay:

since the upgrade

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davez0r:

yes i have

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davez0r:

odd that it only occurs on this theme and no others- u guys use mythbuntu as well?

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gizmobay:

not me

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gizmobay:

what package did you install?

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gizmobay:

also does the frontend log say anything

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davez0r:

the package is called 20080208ubuntu1~gutsy1

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davez0r:

i guess thre was a change to this specific theme

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gizmobay:

may want to downgraded it to see if it works

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iamlindoro:

Ahhhhh-hahaha, I think I just figured out who the final cylon is

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gizmobay:

who's the final cylon?

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iamlindoro:

It's Kat, the viper pilot who died leading the fleet through the radiation

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gizmobay:

how sure are you?

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iamlindoro:

Tonight's episode includes Starbuck saying "You did it, kid" to her picture on the wall. "The dying leader will bring her people to earth, but never see it herself."

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iamlindoro:

The dying leader is evidently *not* Roslin

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iamlindoro:

As sure as with any theory... not at all, of course! :)

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davez0r:

i haven't watched enough galactica...

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davez0r:

in fact, i haven't really watched much scifi since DS9 went crappy

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davez0r:

i need to find a new scifi

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iamlindoro:

Farscape. Firefly. Galactica. Know these.

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davez0r:

oh, i guess that's not true- i did watch firefly

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davez0r:

i hated it until the episode where they steal medical supplies- then it was awesome

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gizmobay:

I think it's Narcho

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davez0r:

i was expecting to see "the hands of blue" in the movie- but didn't

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fryfrog:

I didn't like the first eps of firefly very much, but the end ones and the movie were great

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fryfrog:

farscape i loved

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fryfrog:

bsg is very super spiffy as well :)

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davez0r:

i'll have to checkout farscape

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wagner:

i though the episode where they stole the supplies was the first one aired

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iamlindoro:

It was

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wagner:

not the first one linearly, but the first aired

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fryfrog:

i never watched it on tv, just rented the dvds

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fryfrog:

why wasn't it aired sequentially?

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wagner:

Fox is a bunch of jackasses

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** davez0r nods **

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fryfrog:

ah, very true

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wagner:

it was some decision made by the execs

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gizmobay:

gossamer-threads crashed

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wagner:

so people didnt understand the show, having started in the middle of the season

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fryfrog:

did it go something like ... episode 7, 1, 2, 3?

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fryfrog:

or was it like 7, 8, 9, 10?

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iamlindoro:

four first I think

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davez0r:

it was cool, but i kinda wanted more space battles

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davez0r:

although the scenes with Vera were really funny

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fryfrog:

i liked the episode where that dude invades their ship and river sneaks into his and goes all creepy on him :)

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iamlindoro:

Would be tough to have space battles when your ship has no weapons and you have to post a guy with a rifle and a spacesuit on top to have any :)

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fryfrog:

ahha

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wagner:

well that series certainly took a new spin on negotiation

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wagner:

kick the first guy into an engine intake, the second guy is far more agreeable

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ronin1234:

Does MythTV have reasaonable dvd cataloging? gets covers reviews rating etc?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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wagner:

mythvideo does

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wagner:

it will semi-automatically pull data off imdb

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wagner:

it requires you to confirm on some of the searches

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ronin1234:

can i assign a dvd number to the catalog? I have too many dvd's to put in some sort of order so they are in huge dvd file boxes

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wagner:

son of a bitch, my leg is asleep

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wagner:

mythvideo works with video files (ripped DVDs)

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ronin1234:

ahh they arn't ripped

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ronin1234:

and to rip them all would need wait i'll calc it out

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wagner:

well then theres not much purpose of them being in mythtv

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wagner:

unless you want some sort of onscreen listing of your collection

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ronin1234:

yep thats what I want

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wagner:

i dont believe there is anything like that

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iamlindoro:

The point of mythtv is to *play* your media, not to show you pictures of what you can fetch and put into it

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ronin1234:

yeah... i just want something to do both

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ronin1234:

at the moment i use DVDcollector under wine to catalog

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wagner:

if you have a folder of dvd covers, you could do something with mythgallery

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ronin1234:

theres probably a free linix app but i already had a licence and it saved me having to re-do the database

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wagner:

alternatively, you could just write your own plugin

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fryfrog:

i used to use a web based program, videodb maybe?

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wagner:

i know you can make static lists, i assume you can add images to those lists

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ronin1234:

I'd need a pretty hefty server to rip all my dvd's... that and it would probably take about a year

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iamlindoro:

Or you could find a service that will rip them for you and give them back on hard drives

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wagner:

on my desktop (2.2 C2D), i can do a DVD in about 6 hours start to finish

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ronin1234:

i have 1336 dvd's

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iamlindoro:

So much for college for your children

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wagner:

iamlindoro: do you know where would document the mythtv xml menu format?

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ronin1234:

I also live in china

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wagner:

so thats about $2000 worth?

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wagner:

:P

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ronin1234:

pretty much

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fryfrog:

prolly more like $200 :p

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ronin1234:

nah they are about a buck each

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fryfrog:

ah

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ronin1234:

$3 for the offical ones but only WB does that

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ronin1234:

paramount is going to soon so I'll probably replace them all with officals eventually

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wagner:

through the menu system, you can make a list

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ronin1234:

it's just not worth downloading them as I can walk 2 minutes down the road to the dvd shop and buy 10 movies and a milkshake and be back in 5

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wagner:

but beyond that, you would have to make a full plugin

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ronin1234:

yeah... i might just pay a couple of computer students to do that for me

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wagner:

if you just make a directory, and 'touch' a file of the name of all of your movies, you can do it with mythvideo

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ronin1234:

thats what i've done every other time something like this happens

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wagner:

mythvideo should be fine with 0 byte files

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wagner:

it will just return immediately if you try to play it

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wagner:

then use the gallery view

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iamlindoro:

Even better, you can probably ln -s every movie title to your dvd device, and if the DVD is in the drive, it should play, and if it's not, it'll return right away

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ronin1234:

yeah... I suppose I could just put the catalog number of the dvd at the end of the filename

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wagner:

mythvideo will rename the videos (in the database, not the file name) to whatever it finds on imdb

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wagner:

although you could go back through later and add the catalog number to the description

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ronin1234:

hmm can only see that after going to the info menu which is a bum

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wagner:

you can always rename the video afterwards as well

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wagner:

or make subfolders by the catalog numbers

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ronin1234:

I might just write my own cms to do this and run it on my local webserver...

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wagner:

cms?

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ronin1234:

Content Management System

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ronin1234:

I'm a php programer

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wagner:

ah, you could do that, and run it through mythbrowser

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ronin1234:

probably going to be easiest as I can just use my existing databas as well

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ronin1234:

still not pretty though

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wagner:

well you could just write a script to translate everything from your existing database to mythvideo

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mjj29:

iamlindoro: well, it'll play _whatever_ dvd is in the drive, not just the right one

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iamlindoro:

mjj29: It's the best he's gonna do as-is

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mjj29:

ronin1234: I wrote http://www.matthew.ath.cx/projects/imdb-tools/ for doing imdb integration with my website which list all the things I have ripped

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wagner:

damned 7-zip

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wagner:

i just extracted something... to nowhere

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wagner:

it extracted, it copied, yet it continues to not exist

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ronin1234:

weird

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wagner:

its happened before

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wagner:

the problem is that its 2.3GB, from a network share, to a network share

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wagner:

so it takes considerable time

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ronin1234:

anyway... i'm going to keep looking around for a perfect solution. thanks for all the help

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kavorka^:

does anyone know where mythmusic puts its playlists? i have the problem where playlists created on one frontend can't be accessed from another frontend

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kavorka^:

if that makes sense

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kavorka^:

nevermind just solved it

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Anduin:

kavorka^: They are in the DB, the file locations must have the same path across frontends

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Ace2016:

GOOGLE IS DOWN!!!!

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wagner:

seems up for me

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gbee:

so which one of you broke google?

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Ra^:

hit refresh

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rooaus:

gbee: Working in .au

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gbee:

down here, all of them .au, .de, .fr, .co.uk, .com etc

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GlemSom:

odd – my girlfrinds laptop can reach google.dk and google.com...I THINK then only difference is that I'm using another DNS server... but my computer cannot...

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gbee:

I only noticed because someone else was complaining in #mythtv

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GlemSom:

google.com correct IP -> 64.233.167.99

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GlemSom:

google.dk correct IP ->66.249.93.104

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gbee:

so just a messy DNS change

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gbee:

hmm, if I use any of the addresses return by dig it works, but the domain does not ... wonder where the old values are getting cached

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_gunni_:

Has anyone here experience with a dedicated mythbackend without X11, starting mythsetup over X-forwarding?

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fryfrog:

_gunni_: i do that on my windows system remotly, no problem

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fryfrog:

well, you probably still need X installed, just not running (or running, who cares)

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fryfrog:

it is a little *slow* but, oh well

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gbee:

what's the fascination with not using X?

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gbee:

and just how would X forwarding work unless X is installed on the remote system?

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Ra^:

Some people like to use as few resources as possible, that's probably why

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Ra^:

less to go wrong

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fryfrog:

gbee: well, it is possible that someone simply doesn't have a monitor on their system

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fryfrog:

but i am not sure if he really wanted to forward x11 on a system w/o x11 installed

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gbee:

fryfrog: sure, I don't have a monitor attached to my backend either – and X isn't running, but I'm not going to get my knickers in a twist over having X installed and using a couple of meg of diskspace

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fryfrog:

yeah, me either :)

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gbee:

which may not be what he was asking, but it regularly comes up here for some reason

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fryfrog:

shit, i just go with the default install of ubuntu on my front end that *only* does myth

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fryfrog:

talk about a waste :)

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fryfrog:

firefox? openoffice? :p

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gbee:

:)

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fryfrog:

yeah, are they all gentoo users? :p

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fryfrog:

they might be simply trying to avoid the long compile of x11 :)

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fryfrog:

well, xorg now-a-days

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gbee:

I admit that the dedicated be/fe runs the icewm desktop install of Mandriva instead of the default KDE, all the desktop related packages were disabled during the install

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fryfrog:

I don't spose anyone would want to trade an 939 amd64 X2 in the ~4000+ for an ATSC/QAM tuner or maybe a PVR500?

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fryfrog:

gbee: you not-lazy son of a bitch!

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gbee:

that has more to do with the fact that I've only given the root partition 4Gb and I want a couple of Gb free for logs etc

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i'm tempted to put my next fe on a ~4gb CF card or something

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fryfrog:

then i'd have a legit reason to scrimp on space! no xorg for me on that!

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gbee:

fryfrog: yeah, if I built a dedicated frontend I'd probably do that – but there is still plenty of room for X with 4Gb

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fryfrog:

no wai, can't have any x on your 4gb flash frontend!

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fryfrog:

waste of space!

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gbee:

this laptop, which I use for everything only has a 6Gb root partition

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fryfrog:

my sarcasm fails :(

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gbee:

heh

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fryfrog:

of course you need x on a *frontend* :p

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fryfrog:

i saw some nice looking cases at frys when i went

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fryfrog:

"nice" is sure as fuck expensive :/

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gbee:

yeah, I'm being slow today – late night

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gbee:

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gbee:

it's not a frontend only case though, it suited me because I wanted a combined fe/be for the living room (saves me re-routing cables all over the place and trying to find space for a 'hidden' backend)

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fryfrog:

i could be tempted to put a firewire STB with my fe, that way in a pinch it could be used right with the tv

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|gunni|:

fryfrog: Sorry for absence, was trying on my mythbox

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|gunni|:

I cant get it to work ... mythbackend wont start, and mythtv-setup tries to stop mythbackend, then tries to start it and then tries to run mythfilldatabase, but setup screen wont show.

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|gunni|:

Maybe the hardware is to old

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|gunni|:

Trying to start mythbackend on console gives "Illegal Instruction" but nothing in logs or other output

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gbee:

|gunni|: sounds like the packages are built for an architecture different to the one you are using

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gbee:

but then I'd probably not expect mythtv-setup to run either

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|gunni|:

Yes that seems to be the problem ... Its an old K6–2 350MHz

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gbee:

you can build from source instead, that would get around the problem

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|gunni|:

Damn, i thought about buying a new mainboard and memory for my old sempron that lies in a box here, but i thought "Hey, i can use the old K6 with its sweet tiny cooler on it so it will be even less noise" .... wrong thought maybe

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|gunni|:

Hmm, i can try. shouldnt be to hard on an ubuntu box

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** gbee builds from source every day **

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fryfrog:

isn't ubuntu compiled for i686?

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fryfrog:

i don't think a k6–2 qualifies as i686

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fryfrog:

you might have to go with rh/fedora or even gentoo

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directhex:

any cpu with CMV is fine

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directhex:

CMOV

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directhex:

i.e. not via C3

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gbee:

or build from source

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|gunni|:

I will try to build from source maybe i get it working

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directhex:

nothing says fun like building from source on a shitty ancient cpu

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gbee:

directhex: heh, yeah, I should probably mention that you'll be at it all day ;)

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|gunni|:

I dont mind that . My actual backend is runnng here on desktop machine, so i am not in a hurry

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|gunni|:

But maybe i should crosscompile, would be faster then

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directhex:

you'd better not be

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gbee:

I was going to base a frontend on an old K6 laptop, until I accidently shorted it and it refused to power on

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EvilGuru:

C3 not i686!?! My opinion on these tends to go down day by dya

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directhex:

you can emulate it with insecure kernel patches

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fryfrog:

directhex: you mean any cpu with CMOV is fine for ubuntu? or for myth?

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directhex:

fryfrog, pretty much every distro runs into the "waaaaaa! c3! :(" problem

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fryfrog:

ah

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directhex:

fryfrog, ubuntu uses -march=i686 apparently

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EvilGuru:

Linux bromine 2.6.24-17-generic #1 SMP Thu May 1 14:31:33 UTC 2008 i686 — taken from mythbuntu 8.05

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EvilGuru:

*04

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fryfrog:

did |gunni| mention what distro?

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fryfrog:

sounds kind of like mythbuntu with all that stuff running automatically when you mtythtv-setup

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directhex:

dunno. but he needs one with the most basic of optimizations turned off

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fryfrog:

way back when, RH used to be i386

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fryfrog:

i think?

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directhex:

that's what i don't get about people who say things should be "optimized" for c3 or c7. those chips, by design, can't be optimized for. the reverse is true. instructions which do things 4–16x faster on competing chips are missing

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fryfrog:

dunno if fedora is still that backwards compat

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gbee:

iirc Mandriva uses i586

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fryfrog:

you sure it isn't i686?

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directhex:

you optimize for a chip by taking advantage of its capabilities. no capability means optimizing for nothingness

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fryfrog:

but i think you are right

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gbee:

fryfrog: no, it could be i686 – all 64bit here now, so ...

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fryfrog:

man, i can't imagine getting gentoo going on a k6–2 350

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fryfrog:

it'd take *days* if not week(s)

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fryfrog:

shit, if you'd mentioned it earlier i could have sent you some motherboards and cpus that are like 2–3x as fast but are *still* to wimpy for me to not throw away :p

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fryfrog:

but i think my dad took them to a computer recycler :(

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directhex:

i have an fx55 lying about somewhere

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fryfrog:

is that 939?

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directhex:

yeah

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fryfrog:

i don't spose it is dual core, is it?

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fryfrog:

i think not

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gbee:

ok, still i586 – apparently because their customers still use i586 machines and they've a few side projects like Geode based stuff

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directhex:

fryfrog, no, hence me not using it. it's the best single core 939 chip

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fryfrog:

how would you compare it with a 3200+ or say, X2 ~4000+?

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fryfrog:

as in, you'd pick it over A or B?

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EvilGuru:

fryfrog: As in an XP 3200+ or an AMD64 3200+?

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EvilGuru:

(I would probably pick it over both)

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fryfrog:

amd64 3200+

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fryfrog:

did they really make an XP in 3200?

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fryfrog:

i think i had a 1600XP

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EvilGuru:

fryfrog: Got one in my loft :p

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fryfrog:

er, XP 1600

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fryfrog:

wows!

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fryfrog:

directhex: if you still have it, what sort of something would convince you to part with it?

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fryfrog:

i'm going to do some system shuffling and i'm not looking forward to losing my 4200+ X2 on my FE or stuffing a 3200+ in my BE :/

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adante:

hrm

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adante:

i'm having some trouble with audio stutter on myth

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fryfrog:

log says what sort of stuff? (maybe pastebin it)

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adante:

wierd thing is that it is only present one some recordings, and usually only the other half

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adante:

er as in, only the second half or so

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adante:

anybody experienced this?

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fryfrog:

occasionally, like i said above what do the FE logs say?

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EvilGuru:

Does anyone here use XMLTV RT for TV listings/

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orlovsky:

yeah, I do

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EvilGuru:

Would you be able to send me the xmltv grab file?

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EvilGuru:

As I can not seem to get it to pick up listings for BBC3/4

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orlovsky:

sure, although i've really bodged my setup :)

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orlovsky:

what problem are you having?

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EvilGuru:

Just NO DATA given

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EvilGuru:

In the .xmltv file there is: channel bbc3.bbc.co.uk

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orlovsky:

ah, I think I remember dealing with this.

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orlovsky:

what version of the grabber are you running?

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EvilGuru:

How would one check?

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orlovsky:

tv_grab_uk_rt --version should do the trick

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EvilGuru:

This is tv_grab_uk_rt.in version 1.154, 2008/02/17 09:42:14

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orlovsky:

bbc3 and bbc4 are showing as choice.bbc.co.uk and knowledge.bbc.co.uk in my grab file

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orlovsky:

the newer version of the grabber has a couple of tools to deal with the +1 channels, etc.

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EvilGuru:

Also, Five Life has renamed itself

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EvilGuru:

Does anyone know the new details for it?

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orlovsky:

I had to do a retune a little while back, but it looks like it's still getting listings, hang on a sec while I check

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EvilGuru:

Thanks!

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orlovsky:

hmm, you might not be best following my suggestions after all – I 've just checked "Fiver" and I don't have 14 days worth of data. bbc3 and 4 are the same.

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orlovsky:

:D

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orlovsky:

if you still want a copy of the conf I use to fetch from rt, I've dumped a copy of it here: http://pastebin.ca/1047771

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EvilGuru:

I'll give it a go

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orlovsky:

just pulling the updated list from RT

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orlovsky:

looks like fivelife has changed – should be fiver.channel5.co.uk

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Migzu:

Hi

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Migzu:

Does anyone know, how to change the umask of cd-rips that mythtv creates

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Migzu:

'Cause my mythtv seems to chmod itself out

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Migzu:

When it creates the fiels it rips

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Migzu:

It creates them and doesn't give itself the permission to touch them

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Migzu:

Anyone here?

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orlovsky:

there's a couple of people, but I think we're all lurking.

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Migzu:

oh =/

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Migzu:

So no-one knows an ansewer to my problem?

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Migzu:

I'll explain it again

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Migzu:

When i try to rip a cd

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Migzu:

Mythtv creates a directory for it

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Migzu:

But then gives me an error about the permissions

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Migzu:

It gives the directory an chmod, which locks itself out

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Migzu:

If i chmod that directory to 777, it goes on step further

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Migzu:

And in the end, it creates the .ogg file

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Migzu:

But crashes

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Migzu:

So i have to chmod the music file to 777

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Migzu:

And then it rips that file

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Migzu:

But crashes again at the next

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orlovsky:

yeah, that's a new one on me.

[14:35:04]

jo1:

hello, I'm having a problem with epg. I'm in Finland where the EPG is in two languages, most of the program info is in Finnish, but randomly has some programs in Swedish. I had this problem very rarely in Gutsy (0.20), but after upgrading to Hardy (0.21) this problem appears in every channel everyday. Can anyone help with this?

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Migzu:

What process does the ripping?

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Migzu:

Does it run on different user than mythtv?

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Migzu:

nevermind

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Migzu:

Fixed it

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orlovsky:

how did you fix it?

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Migzu:

I changed the owner of the music-folder to "migzu" instead of "mythtv"

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orlovsky:

quit

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psofa:

quick question: does mythtv use external ffmpeg libs at all? i wanna mess with ffmpeg builds without affecting myth (euro match today :) )

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dustybin:

psofa: i think mythtv used the ffmpeg-dev package

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dustybin:

im not sure..!

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dustybin:

i think ffmpeg is built into mythtv source code

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psofa:

im under the impression that it uses its own build of ffmpeg but im not sure

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dustybin:

will have to ask the clever sods at mythtv hq :P

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psofa:

well fuck it im gonna mess with ffmpeg anyway :)

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stoneymonster:

I'm 99% sure you are safe (since I'm busy fighting with getting aac configured in mythtv's ffmpeg when my other copy already has it built)

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gizmobay:

I changed my video card from a Ge7300 to a Ge5200. The 7300 has 256MB and the 5200 has 128MB. With the 7300 the OSD fade worked without crackling the audio, the 5200 crackles the audio. Naturally, I turned off the fade and the crackle went away. Anyone have any tips on the 5200 so I can turn OSD fade back on?

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esperegu:

any howto available to get dvb-s going on mythtv?

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dustybin:

do nvidia gfx cards support accelerated h264?

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dustybin:

interesting

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jpabq:

Not in linux.

[16:01:45]

dustybin:

these are the options you should use to play back HD recordings in mplayer

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dustybin:

mplayer -vo xv -vfm ffmpeg -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all

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** dustybin tests on mac **

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dustybin:

still no good, audio is breaking up

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dustybin:

shes breaking up jim

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EvilGuru:

dustybin: As far as I am aware: OS X does support accelerated MPEG2 playback, but the API is not exposed

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dustybin:

oh ok

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EvilGuru:

As for MPEG4, quicktime might use some private API, however, if one does exist, it is not public

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dustybin:

i thought accelerated MPEG2 playback was down to the drivers for your gfx card

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janneg:

we have code for accelerated mpeg2 playback on mac 0s x

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dustybin:

not the OS

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stoneymonster:

anyone built mythtv with libfaac support? I keep getting "../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.21.so: undefined reference to `faacDecOpen'" even though I've built and installed libfaac and libfaad2 from source

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dustybin:

janneg: who has?

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janneg:

mythtv

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dustybin:

aye o

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dustybin:

k

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dustybin:

i really want to test out BBC HD

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janneg:

libs/libavcodec/dvdv.c if anyone is interested

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dustybin:

should i buy a DVB-S card or not, that is the question

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janneg:

if you want BBC HD now you should be a DVB-S card

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dustybin:

i know

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dustybin:

im checking out what hauppauge card would do the job

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dustybin:

there is a long list of cards

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dustybin:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge

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dustybin:

maybe the NOVA-S-SE2 PCI

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dustybin:

or the WinTV-Nexus-S Rev. 2.3

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janneg:

dustybin: the Nexus is a full featured card and I doubt if it is still available

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dustybin:

i need to do some research, i need to find out what i need and dont need on the card for UK sat HD

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dustybin:

maybe a card what can pickup DVB-S and DVB-S2

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dustybin:

like this

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dustybin:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_novahds2.html

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janneg:

the simplest card would be enough. you don't even need a CI. and I wouldn't buy a DVB-S2 card now

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dustybin:

why not

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janneg:

missing/bad linux support

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

so maybe this then: http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_novasplus.html

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sphery:

stoneymonster: you've probably only got libmp4v2 installed and Myth's libfaac support requires the (now deprecated) libmp4ff (that's not installed when you install libfaad2--and requires hacks to make it install)

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stoneymonster:

yup, fought my way through that thanks. Now it builds, but still doesn't play audio on hdpvr files... hmmm..

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sphery:

stoneymonster: in other words, best bet is to wait a bit and the old deprecated stuff will be torn out and ffmpeg's new support for that will be used, instead.

[16:51:36]

sphery:

Probably sometime around 0.22 or 0.23 or ... :)

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stoneymonster:

0.2x lol

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sphery:

no one is really doing anything to make sure that the old code that relies on a deprecated lib really works.

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sphery:

However, I'm guessing that with the HD-PVR, some of that functionality will be required, so it's likely that janneg's patches to make Myth work with HD-PVR may actually fix the whole libmp4ff/libmp4v2 mess (possibly by using ffmpeg, instead and tearing out the libmp4* stuff). If so, you'll probably see a 0.21.1 that fixes it...

[16:55:07]

** sphery just notices you're trying to get HD-PVR files to work... **

[16:55:24]

sphery:

From what I understand, patches will be forthcoming in the near future.

[16:55:29]

ajh:

anything that stops the mpeg2 decoding crashes 10 times a day would be nice.

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GreyFoxx:

ajh: Haveyou submitted backtraces of those crashes?

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ajh:

They're lockups more than crashes.

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GreyFoxx:

Cause I can tell you I've never see one and my myth boxes get heavy usage, almost all mpeg2

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GreyFoxx:

If you have details from your logs, and a sample that reproduces it open a trac ticket

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iamlindoro:

sphery: It would be worth looking at the Ubuntu mythtv diffs... AAC on the HD-PVR content works there.

[16:58:24]

ajh:

I'm trying to find something that does it consistently, reloading sometimes makes it work fine again, mostly it's NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out errors, if it would eventually give up and give back the interface that would be a good thing, right now someone has to kill the frontend manually.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: as I found last night in building a fresh checkout versus a apt-get source version :) Also, skiploopfilter helps a *ton* so I dunno whether you guys would consider it for .21.1

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'll bet they're hacks that use the old libmp4ff as a port to the new libmp4v2 is /not/ straightforward (it basically requires completely rewriting the functionality).

[16:59:45]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I tried testing with stock, my E4500 @ 2 Ghz can basically handle 10 Mbit w/ no deinterlacer there, skiploopfilter makes 13.5 mbit recordings watchable but there's occasional skipping... and CoreAVC makes mincemeat of the material on that system

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iamlindoro:

sphery: yeah, it seems they are

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sphery:

And, since using the ffmpeg stuff also requires completely rewriting the functionality, getting rid of the libfaad2 dependency is the preferred approach.

[17:00:06]

ShiftyPowers:

anyone know how to get the mythbackend script back in /etc/init.d/?

[17:00:18]

sphery:

cp

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sphery:

:)

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ShiftyPowers:

i just installed mythbuntu on a machine and everything works great other than the fact that mythbackend won't start at boot

[17:00:28]

ajh:

greyfoxx, I suspect something upstream creating bad files, but the issue is more not gracefully dealing with them on the myth end.

[17:00:29]

sphery:

probably sudo cp on your distro, though

[17:00:35]

iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: Do you have the script? copy it in, update-rc.d nameofscript defaults

[17:00:50]

ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, i don't, that's the problem, its' a fresh install

[17:01:31]

sphery:

fresh install from a package (which should take care of that for you) or built from source (where you've signed up for the responsibility of /creating/ and installing the init script)?

[17:01:53]

iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: http://rafb.net/p/iY9wab15.html

[17:01:53]

GreyFoxx:

ajh: When I run into something .like you describe eventually myth auto exits back to the menu

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ShiftyPowers:

i did it from a package

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sphery:

what distro?

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GreyFoxx:

Or I hit ESC on the remote to back out

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ShiftyPowers:

mythbuntu

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GreyFoxx:

but it's exceptionally rare

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ajh:

greyfoxx, I've left it for hours and it just loops on that error.

[17:02:42]

ajh:

if it did that then I wouldn't get phonecalls about it being down again. :)

[17:02:49]

** sphery defers to someone who knows *buntu **

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ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, will try that

[17:02:58]

ShiftyPowers:

thanks man

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iamlindoro:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

iam: So CoreAVC plays it without any troubles?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, does a fantastic job... My upstairs system is only a "OK" C2D, but it makes playing the max-bitrate stuff a *snap*

[17:03:42]

GreyFoxx:

cool

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iamlindoro:

I haven't gone through the whole testing ramp on the quad downstairs

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GreyFoxx:

we were talking about brining the coreavc stuff into myth proper and making it a decoder choice in the playback menus

[17:04:18]

GreyFoxx:

so users still need to install coreavc, but not need to patch myth

[17:04:21]

ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, worked perfectly!!! thanks man

[17:04:23]

iamlindoro:

I think I'll stick with CoreAVC upstairs for the time being, it's able to multithread the single-sliced output of the HD-PVR

[17:04:26]

iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: np

[17:05:00]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, that'd be neat. The myth patch isn't too painful, but I was thrown for a second that it's not a decoder choice, but instead intercepts the h.264 content

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iamlindoro:

In other news, I did a 13.5 capture of Galactica last night @ 13.5 Mbit and it's near-identical, really impressive quality. I'm gonna try to cut out some identical frames for comparison later

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iamlindoro:

bah, redundant

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sphery:

superm1: well, seems I was a bit late in getting the info to you (as Janne just answered in the other channel and discussion here is dying out).

[17:07:33]

superm1:

oh well :)

[17:07:34]

sphery:

However, some people were talking about how they got HD-PVR files working in Ubuntu.

[17:08:09]

sphery:

I don't think they actually had Myth record them, though.

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iamlindoro:

More or less stock Internal = OK on my E4500 up to 10 or so Mbit w/ no deint, skiploopfilter patch makes 13.5 Mbit playable but slightly stuttery, and CoreAVC makes the whole thing a joke

[17:08:56]

iamlindoro:

sphery: yeah, just cat /dev/blahblah

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iamlindoro:

and judicious use of the date command ;)

[17:09:26]

sphery:

you mean for the filename?

[17:09:57]

iamlindoro:

sphery: No, was just using date to time my Control-Cs... ghetto! :)

[17:10:04]

sphery:

Oh.

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sphery:

got it.

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sphery:

too bad dd doesn't have a time= option... :)

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure that there are lots of clever ways to do it that I'm not aware of, it was definitely quick and dirty

[17:11:23]

superm1:

iamlindoro, is there a sane way to conditionally include coreavc that you know so it's easy enough to turn on and off for a general basis?

[17:11:45]

sphery:

So, someone once did a long tirade on one of the lists about how you should /not/ use cat for PVR-x50 captures, but should use dd because cat isn't 8-bit safe. Is that really true (as I've never heard of anyone having problems and most everyone uses cat instead of dd)...

[17:12:05]

iamlindoro:

superm1: Unfortunately not, it seems... rather than inserting atself as a decoder, it seems to intercept any h.264 the Standard decoder tries to play

[17:12:11]

iamlindoro:

s/atself/itself/

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superm1:

iamlindoro, yeah that's what i was afraid of

[17:12:45]

superm1:

if someone did come up with a nice sane way to make it selectable instead, it would be great to start including it in packages

[17:12:50]

iamlindoro:

superm1: Just before you popped in GreyFoxx was talking about adding proper support for it, though

[17:13:11]

superm1:

well that would be spectacular :)

[17:13:15]

sphery:

see, I told you there were useful discussions in progress :)

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iamlindoro:

No doubt!

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superm1:

especially if it turns out the only way to consistently play these hd-pvr recordings ends up being via coreavc

[17:14:25]

iamlindoro:

I have a suspicion that my higher-power machine might *just* manage it with the deinterlacer set to none and maybe the occasional dropped frame, but CoreAVC leaves a wide margin

[17:14:28]

janneg:

sphery: bs and count is with constant bitrate equivalent to time

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sphery:

so is the HD-PVR always CBR or does it allow VBR?

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iamlindoro:

allows both

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sphery:

Cool. And neat way of getting time= from dd.

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sphery:

janneg: out of curiosity, are your HD-PVR support changes going to do something about the deprecated libmp4ff issue (either convert to using libmp4v2 or ffmpeg for the functionality)?

[17:19:04]

leprechau:

is there a decent tool out there that actually works to mux two mkv files into one?

[17:19:49]

leprechau:

i use avimerge for my avi files and it works great....but mkvmerge from the mkvtoolnix package makes broken files

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janneg:

sphery: where are we using libmp4ff? in mythmusic?

[17:21:02]

sphery:

no, in mythtv

[17:21:40]

janneg:

huh? I'm not aware of that. where exactly and why?

[17:22:28]

janneg:

answer only if you know it. I can search for myself

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sphery:

pretty sure the libfaad code was written to use libmp4ff (the old external lib that was made an internal lib in recent versions of faad2, for which a new external lib, libmp4v2, was created)

[17:23:04]

sphery:

I'm pretty sure you looked at it quickly once--someone mentioned it on #mythtv--and realized it's not just a quick port but a rewrite...

[17:23:41]

janneg:

grep -ri mp4ff returns nothing

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janneg:

sphery: all the libfaas code we have is either ffmpeg or mythmusic

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janneg:

libfaad

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sphery:

janneg: if you have logs of #mythtv, check out Feb 25 at about 12:25 EST (US)

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janneg:

I have no logs

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sphery:

I can send you a copy of mine... OK to send a copy to the address you use on the lists?

[17:26:40]

janneg:

yes

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sphery:

Though, they were talking about MythMusic...

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sphery:

Seems I may be wrong.

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superm1:

iamlindoro, the current coreavc patch, what libraries end up getting touched by it? As an interim solution, we could always provide another binary package (deb) that replaces that library with the coreavc solution

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janneg:

comment from libavcodec/libfaad.c: still a bit unfinished – but it plays something

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janneg:

sphery: at the time of our next sync ffmpeg will have a native aac decoder

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sphery:

Hmmm. 06.14 12:19:37 < stoneymonster> anyone built mythtv with libfaac support? I keep getting "../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.21.so: undefined reference to `faacDecOpen'" even though I've built and installed libfaac and libfaad2 from source

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sphery:

(from earlier today). I wonder if he was building MythMusic instead of mythtv at the time...

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iamlindoro:

superm1: let me take a quick look

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sphery:

janneg: the faacDecOpen used by libs/libavcodec/libfaad.c gave the above error and, I'm pretty sure stoneymonster said he had to get libmp4ff installed to make it work...

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sphery:

and that's really mythtv/libs/libavcodec/libfaad.c

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iamlindoro:

superm1: looks like it only really patches avformatdecoder.cpp, so maybe a seperate libmythtv-coreavc?

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superm1:

iamlindoro, that would be entirely feasible

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sphery:

so, perhaps it's the ffmpeg libs in mythtv that rely on libmp4ff

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iamlindoro:

superm1: (it also patches libmythtv.pro, of course)

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superm1:

well yeah, but just speaking for the resultant binary libraries. we can do two builds in the source package

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superm1:

and one of them includes the patch

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superm1:

one doesnt

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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janneg:

sphery: no faacDecOpen is a symbol in libfaad. from the error I would say the linker hasn't found a libfaad which is not unreasonable if he installed the self-built library to a random place

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ShiftyPowers:

man, now i'm having a devil of a time with lirc

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone use a usb-uirt here?

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raa:

I've got a HVR4000. In mythtv i not see it finding channnels on the scan. But, as they're all scrambeled it skips them. Could someone point me it where to find more info on the CI module with mythtv.

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raa:

not -> now

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iamlindoro:

raa: The HVR-4000 doesn't *have* an on-borad CI, does it?

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iamlindoro:

board

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raa:

iamlindoro, not onboard. It's usb.

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iamlindoro:

raa: Then you're sunk

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raa:

ok

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iamlindoro:

The multiproto patch is unsupported by both Myth and the v4l-dvb guys, anyway

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raa:

thats a doh then..

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raa:

Is there a card out for dvb-s/s2 with onboard ci that works now ?

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iamlindoro:

Nope, no official S2 support whatsoever right now

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iamlindoro:

There are regular S cards with Cis onboard

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iamlindoro:

CIs

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raa:

Kk, i'll check the linuxtv wiki. Any cards you could recommend ?

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iamlindoro:

raa: No idea, really, sorry

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raa:

thanks anyway :)

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sphery:

janneg: Cool, so I guess we're only using libmp4ff in MythMusic, so it's unrelated to the HD-PVR changes. Sorry for the noise.

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jarle:

do I need a dvb-s2 card to actually get s2 channels in my listing, or do I only need it to watch s2 channels?

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janneg:

jarle: why would you want DVB-S2 channels in your listing if you can't watch them

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AndyCap:

-S2 is per transponder?

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|Torg|:

can be

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jarle:

janneg: I notice that I am not able to get dvb-s2 channels in my listings, I am not even getting a lock to a transponder containing s2 channels, and was wondering if this was just because I do not have a dvb-s2 card?

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iamlindoro:

jarle: I presume you would need an S2 card, S2 drivers, and myth patched for S2 to be able to scan them

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|Torg|:

dvb-s is qvsb dvb-s2 is 8vsb your card cant see the ts becase it can not understand the encodings

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|Torg|:

sorry qpsk vs 8psk

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jarle:

|Torg|: ok, thnx for the info

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friggityfrog:

whenever I do a manual record, it only shows up in my recorded shows if I change it to "live tv" profile. Why doesn't it show up when I record it in default?

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friggityfrog:

anyone?

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iamlindoro:

friggityfrog: Don't prompt the room, answers often take more than 2 minutes

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friggityfrog:

ok, thanks

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Tomas-:

Hmmm I have a frontend running on my laptop sometimes. Now when i start it I'm sent directly to livetv instead of main menu and when I hit esc mythtv exits with:

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Tomas-:

2008-06–14 22:09:44.864 TV: Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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Tomas-:

Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy

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Tomas-:

(livetv works and I can bring up the guide with 's' and menu with 'm')

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bsdfox_:

Tomas: that's kinda weird

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bsdfox_:

tried restarting the backend?

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Tomas-:

my normal front machine at the tv is working as normal

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Tomas-:

I did try make clean all install on the laptop

[20:11:56]

Tomas-:

also removed all config in the sql for the laptop and copied in the settings from my normal front

[20:12:30]

Tomas-:

all of them are running the same svn version (not the latest 0.21-fixes)

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bsdfox_:

hmm I'm not even really sure what a mutex is.. so I don't think I can help

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Tomas-:

I think it has something to do with the theme

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dustybin:

now this is what i call spooky, is it real? http://www.idiom.com/~beverly/hans_resume.html

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sid3windr:

spooky?

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iamlindoro:

"explaining that the mysterious slaying of their process was due to insufficient paging space, etc."

[20:18:40]

iamlindoro:

Now if he could only explain a certain other mysterious slaying

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iamlindoro:

appears to be his mom or sister's site

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cesman:

iamlindoro: What brillant simplicity this madness, some call it love.

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EvilGuru:

At least he is easy to find nowadays

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iamlindoro:

Mom says he's the best murderer in his grade

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iamlindoro:

It's definitely mom

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iamlindoro:

A quick google of her name turns up a short bio where she claims to have designed an organization's "first web site in 1984–1985."

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iamlindoro:

That would have been a neat trick

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EvilGuru:

You know the week hasn't ended until someone has brought up Hans Reiser in #mythtv-users

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Tomas-:

Lame to pick a lastname after a fucking FS

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iamlindoro:

Mythtv->Recording Filesystem->ReiserFS->Reiser->Meurte

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Tomas-:

:p

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iamlindoro:

Muerte

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iamlindoro:

"Beverly Reiser has been doing multimedia for twenty years, and had an early piece shown at Centre Pompidou in Paris. For 14 years she was president of YLEM, and helped design its first web site in 1984–5."

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EvilGuru:

Errr...

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iamlindoro:

Which, I assume, she kept on a floppy until 1990 or so when the web itself appeared

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EvilGuru:

Didn't Timmy not invent it until 91

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sid3windr:

=)

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iamlindoro:

exactly

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dustybin:

how do i enable skiplookfilter in .21? do i need to do this at compile time?

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dustybin:

loop

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: It needs to be patched in, then it's in playback profiles

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dustybin:

aye ok :)

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friggityfrog:

where are the photos stored in Mythtv? I want to ssh pictures into it

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friggityfrog:

*scp

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iamlindoro:

friggityfrog: You choose where they go, in the settings

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dustybin:

will intel, nvidia, or ATI one day introduce linux drivers so h.264 can be processed by the GPU and take load off the CPU?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: Hand me my crystal ball and I'll tell you

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iamlindoro:

The answer is "maybe."

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iamlindoro:

but that Intel is closest to actually getting there, but still a LONG way off

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AndyCap:

dustybin: will one of the opensource projects succeed? GLSL decoding or the new video acceleration api. :)

[20:28:39]

dustybin:

i think intel will be the first, they seem to have the best linux support system

[20:28:42]

cesman:

dustybin: AMD is opening thier drivers... If it is opened all the way, they'd be the first

[20:29:01]

AndyCap:

cesman: not really, they're opening their specs, and writing a new driver.

[20:29:17]

dustybin:

cesman: i didnt even realise AMD make graphic cards :-0

[20:29:17]

cesman:

but does Intel have chipset that supports h.264?

[20:29:21]

AndyCap:

I think they said they would contribute a new driver, but I may be wrong.

[20:29:28]

cesman:

dustybin: AMD owns ATi

[20:29:40]

dustybin:

oh ok

[20:29:52]

AndyCap:

cesman: yes iirc.

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EvilGuru:

For newer ATI cards it would have to be using GLSL

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iamlindoro:

AMD unfortunately has said that the h.264 stuff is off-limits and won't be released, due to commitments to patent holders

[20:30:18]

EvilGuru:

As they can not give the specs due tot he UVD unit also handling DRM

[20:30:23]

cesman:

iamlindoro: thanks for the info

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AndyCap:

cesman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA

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dustybin:

so intel might be the first

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iamlindoro:

cesman: It's a bummer :( I am hoping VAAPI will pan out

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AndyCap:

Seems intel X4500 is still a little pie in the sky

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: Yes, but nobody is even remotely close to the finish line. We are talking so serious time before you might see that. Like, maybe not even on your *next* myth box

[20:31:15]

iamlindoro:

s/so/some/

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dustybin:

windows users already have the luxury of letting the GPU do h.264 ?

[20:31:22]

iamlindoro:

yes

[20:31:25]

dustybin:

bastards

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AndyCap:

dustybin: some nvidia and AMD/ATI users

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|Torg|:

its called PureVideo in the case of NVidia

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AndyCap:

ATI vivo or invivo or something.

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: does that mean windows user could use a really low spec CPU like a old pentium 4 chip, if the graphic card GPU is doing the work for h.264 ?

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cesman:

vivo

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EvilGuru:

I honestly think that by the time any of the GPU based solutions are mainstream that CPUs will be fast enough

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AndyCap:

PureVideo means different things on different cards though.

[20:32:37]

iamlindoro:

avivo

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: Lower spec, but I dunno how low would cut it

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|Torg|:

my q6600 can play it ok with skiploopfilter

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AndyCap:

since nvidia started out selling purevideo at extra cost.

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dustybin:

nvidia need to do purevideo for linux

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dustybin:

whats the hold back

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dustybin:

do mac users also have purevideo?

[20:34:20]

AndyCap:

no customer demand

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dustybin:

lets all write them a email

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AndyCap:

heh, nvidia has their own forum now. http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=35698

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EvilGuru:

dustybin: Or you could look into multi-threaded decoding

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|Torg|:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=83594

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AndyCap:

ORLY? XvMC is the Linux platforms open source answer to DxVA, Microsoft DirectX Video Acceleration API

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AndyCap:

hah

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|Torg|:

its all over the nv forums, has been for a while

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AndyCap:

not sure who it was demoing it. but I pasted a link to someone using cuda to encode h264

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EvilGuru:

Even if it were for MPEG4, I still wouldn't use it unless it allowed for non-cruddy deinterlacing

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AndyCap:

EvilGuru: well, then you'll have to include deinterlacing on the card as well. :P

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dustybin:

the code to create drivers like purevideo must be serious complicated stuff

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dustybin:

low level asm and c++

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** cesman considers giving up on "Chuck" **

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AndyCap:

dustybin: don't think that's the challenge, more parallel programming

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dustybin:

what does that mean?

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EvilGuru:

dustybin: Doing the same thing to many pieces of data at once

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AndyCap:

dustybin: that you can't treat the GPU like one powerful CPU.

[20:39:29]

dustybin:

ok

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EvilGuru:

nVidia do provide a sample application for compressing textures using 8xxx series cards

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AndyCap:

dustybin: since you have I dunno, 32 – 128 shaders on a card that you have to put to useful work

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** dustybin reverse engineers purevideo for windows **

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AndyCap:

dustybin: probably easier to get your hands on some CUDA proof of concept code.

[20:41:51]

AndyCap:

dustybin: dunno if this got accepted. http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=GSoC_-_GPU_Assisted_Video_Decoding

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EvilGuru:

http://code.google.com/p/nvidia-texture-tools . . . essKernel.cu is the nuts and bolts of compressing under nVidia GPUs

[20:43:13]

dustybin:

we all know that a nvidia fx5200 is capable of playing back HD, what is the lowest spec intel graphics chip what can playback HD?

[20:43:45]

AndyCap:

dustybin: difference between showing video frames and decoding it on the gpu

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dustybin:

ok

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AndyCap:

I'm a little unsophisticated, but don't people playback video at 1920x1080 with Intel GMA950?

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dustybin:

another possibility is the driver for VIA chipsets

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dustybin:

http://openchrome.org/

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dustybin:

maybe these guys will be the first to introduce h.264 GPU decoding

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EvilGuru:

dustybin: VIA chips do not have the best reputation around here :)

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dustybin:

hehe

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justinh:

oh gawd not still clinging to the hope via will produce a driver for linux that really works, shirley

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janneg:

justinh: openchrome is not via but that makes it not simpler to make good drivers

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justinh:

my experience with openchrome was less than optimal, at least as far as mythtv was concerned

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iamlindoro:

MWAHAHAHAHA

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iamlindoro:

VIA introduce h.264 decoding

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iamlindoro:

good one

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iamlindoro:

These from the crooks who market their ships as having "Hardware MPEG-4 acceleration in linux!" knowing that folks will presume that means h.264, but it's actually divx

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iamlindoro:

s/ships/chips/

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dustybin:

lol

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: if thats true that is seriously lame

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: yup, it's true :)

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dustybin:

jeeze

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Migzu:

A quick one

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Migzu:

What key launches a game in the game browser?

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Migzu:

The default ok-button?

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dustybin:

probably

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dustybin:

yes

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Migzu:

'Cause nothing happens when i press it

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dustybin:

that means you need to make sure the game command is working

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Migzu:

Nothing at all

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dustybin:

you need to look at the game settings menu

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dustybin:

are you using mame?

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iamlindoro:

Your frontend log will tell what's up, but with 99% certainty, dustybin is correct

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Migzu:

"snes9x -stereo -r 6 -tr -fs"

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Migzu:

Where's the frontend log?

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dustybin:

Migzu: does that work outside mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

It's the bit that scrolls by when you run mythfrontend from the terminal... Or, if you have your shortcut set up to log

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Migzu:

So it doesn't write a log by default?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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justinh:

why would it? set up properly it always just works (tm)

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Migzu:

Yeah

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cmarslett_:

Ditto, Migzu, . . .

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Migzu:

Well, i get "Failed to connect to x server"

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Migzu:

If i run it from other consoel

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Migzu:

BUt i guess, that's because there isn't an x on that terminal

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Migzu:

And i don't have a mouse on that box, so i can't try from gnome terminal

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|Torg|:

export DISPLAY

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Migzu:

mm

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Migzu:

Should that do something?

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dustybin:

Migzu: when you execute a command

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|Torg|:

should point to whatever your X display is, depending on if you have rights to display to it or not

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dustybin:

try this

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dustybin:

DISPLAY=:0

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Migzu:

Ok

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dustybin:

DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend

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dustybin:

^^ try that

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Migzu:

Whoa

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Migzu:

It gives me log

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Migzu:

Nice

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Migzu:

Hmhm

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Migzu:

Nice

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Migzu:

Works now

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Migzu:

The path was broken

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Migzu:

Thanks

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flouger:

does myth know what to do with iso's?

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Anduin:

flouger: if you mean, play then, yes

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flouger:

will it show them in the website?

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flouger:

as part of the recorded programs

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Anduin:

No

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flouger:

boo

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Migzu:

Hmhm

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Migzu:

WHat does the phone-system in mythtv allow me to do?

[22:04:08]

Migzu:

Like

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Migzu:

Is it compabtible with skype or something?

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dustybin:

anybody have a link for the skiploopfilter patch? i cannot find it anywhere

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: it's in Trac-- I updated it a few months ago to apply to .21-ish

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dustybin:

aye ok

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4653

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dustybin:

thanks :-)

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

Migzu: It's compatible with any SIP phone service

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Migzu:

And that is?

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iamlindoro:

Migzu: why don't you try googling it?

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Migzu:

I tried

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Migzu:

Just commercial stuff

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Migzu:

But alright

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iamlindoro:

bullshit

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Migzu:

-->

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iamlindoro:

SIP site:wikipedia.org

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iamlindoro:

The google was weak with that one

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jpabq:

Anyone with a HD-PVR that can help test the latest driver, please join #hdpvr

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psofa:

anyone hitting this with fixes? http://code.google.com/p/coreavc-for-linux/issues/detail?id=36 .In short when watching h264 chans ac3 passthrough device opening works only half the time

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gbee_:

quiet

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justinh:

not in this room :)

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gbee_:

trying a different IRC client, kinda tired of the limitations of kopete, especially since I've no use for my ICQ and MSN accounts these days

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dustybin:

try irssi

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gbee_:

dustybin: yeah, I really should

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dustybin:

irssi + bitlbee work nicely :D

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fryfrog:

what is bitlbee?

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justinh:

sounds like something a buck rogers robot voiced by mel blanc would say :P

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gbee_:

think I didn't like about irssi last time I tried it, which was a while back, is the lack of a user list on screen at all times – not that I use the user list that much, but it's handy occassionally

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justinh:

I find that tab autocomplete is a good substitute for that :)

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justinh:

79p for the 12" version of voodoo ray? bargain!

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gbee:

justinh: true, I guess I probably use that more if I think about it

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dustybin:

justinh: good tune

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justinh:

the end is in sight. not quite there yet but I can see the end of all this compilation!

[23:26:58]

fryfrog:

gbee: it is called /names :)

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justinh:

only about 100 or so more to go

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fryfrog:

just repeat every 1–10 minutes :)

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gbee:

heh

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fryfrog:

anyone have a spare 939 X2 cpu laying around and need a ATSC/QAM pci card?

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dustybin:

ive applied the skiploop filter patch but im not sure if its going to work

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dustybin:

because it warned me of a error

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gbee:

irssi is fine if I'm stuck on the other side of a ssh connection, but this KDE thingy seems fine for now, definately not the worst IRC client I've ever used

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chalco:

fryfrog, no, and yes :)

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fryfrog:

chalco: fail :(

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chalco:

I do that frequently

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fryfrog:

me too :)

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fryfrog:

time to give the dog some love

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jpabq:

dustybin, do you actually have a HD-PVR?

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dustybin:

jpabq: not yet, but i plan to upgrade the CPU soon

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dustybin:

i want to get it ready

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gbee:

ooh, nice, auto-replace ... should save time for tickets and changesets

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dustybin:

i have a SKY dish what does nothing, all i need is a DVB-S card then i can pickup BBC HD

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gbee:

dustybin: unless you're unlucky like me

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dustybin:

gbee: are you from uk

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gbee:

yup

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dustybin:

why was you unlucky

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gbee:

can't get BBC HD without signal errors, every other transport/frequency is just fine, but the 4/5 channels on the BBC HD mux are riddled with errors

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dustybin:

eeek

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gbee:

tweaked the dish, bought a bigger dish, moved the dish higher ... nothing helped

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dustybin:

gbee: could this be down to your card

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gbee:

dustybin: possible, I'm hoping that it is really

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dustybin:

gbee: has anyone else reported similar problems?

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gbee:

I know that an old Sky STB has no problems with BBC Channel Islands which is on the same freq (can't test the HD though)

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gbee:

dustybin: I've not seen similar reports

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gbee:

[17476]

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dustybin:

gbee: check to see if your actual card has problems

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dustybin:

rather than picking up BBC HD

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justinh:

it could be the PID filter on the card or anything

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justinh:

the logic might not be able to keep up with the stream – unlikely but possible

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gbee:

dustybin: can't test that until I get a new card, which I'm attempting to do without spending too much ;)

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dustybin:

or

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gbee:

justinh: it has problems with all channels on that same mux, even the SD

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dustybin:

"ISTR that the BBC H.264 stream has some features which are only supported by

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dustybin:

the latest and greatest ffmpeg – probably later than most distros are using.

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dustybin:

So it might just me a case of waiting for the upgrade cycle to take care of "

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/17476

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justinh:

eugh really bad cue burn on this one :(

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gbee:

dustybin: it's not a playback issue, the stream contains errors

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justinh:

might be able to stitch it

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gbee:

I've actually got BBC HD samples which play just fine with MythTV

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dustybin:

gbee: what detects the errors?

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justinh:

didn't believe the difference in quality between itunes & the vinyl. the vinyl has more bass, better stereo & more treble.

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gbee:

dustybin: my eyes ;)

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dustybin:

gbee: whatever is detecting the errors might not be errors, it might be that whatever its seeing in the stream isnt supported

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chalco:

I'm looking to replace a Tivo. If I am reading correctly, I can get a card that will allow me to integrate both OTA and cable inputs, something I can't do with my Tivo. Is that correct?

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gbee:

dustybin: it's errors ... they are there in the SD streams too

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gbee:

it's typical digital packet loss, blocky with audio clicks/skips/squeaks

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justinh:

like Sky, when it rains :)

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dustybin:

haha

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gbee:

exactly

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dustybin:

gbee: check your cable

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dustybin:

etc

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dustybin:

dish position

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gbee:

dustybin: think I said at the start, I've done all that ;)

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dustybin:

strange

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dustybin:

maybe it is your card then

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dustybin:

messing up the signal

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gbee:

brand new cable (old was no better), dish moved 4 feet higher, Zone 2 dish in a Zone 1 area, new lnb, best possible alignment according to the sat finder – none of it helped

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gbee:

I suspect it is the card, or some local interference on that freq

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5365

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gbee:

nice, auto-replace works

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stuartm:

new IRC client, new nick?

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chalco:

stuartm, but, I'm just getting to know you as gbee

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dustybin:

i prefer gbee

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dustybin:

there is already a stuarta in here

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justinh:

so?

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dustybin:

and there is also another justin in here

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dustybin:

well there used to be

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

better than a *stupid* nick like juski ffs

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justinh:

people thought I was russian & all kinds of crap

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stuartm:

you're not Russian?

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chalco:

people think I am Mexican

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iamlindoro:

People think I'm caucasian just 'cause my skin is white

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justinh:

lol

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iamlindoro:

when inside my chest beats the soul of... hmmm.... a... norwegian housewife.

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stuartm:

people never confuse me with stuarta ;)

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chalco:

hmmm, a DTV converter box converts from ATSC to NTSC, so if I bought a card without ATSC the converter box would take care of it?

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dustybin:

people think im a dustbin

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stuartm:

err, yeah but you'd end up with an analogue signal and what's the point in that? Plus no HD

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chalco:

I still have an old tv

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stuartm:

of course if you need a converter, i.e. you don't want to replace all your existing TVs then fine, but for mythtv

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stuartm:

chalco: ahh, well then yes, sure you might want one under those circumstances

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