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| [00:22:16] | quantum: | I have some weird problem I think it might be that my database is corrupt or something. everything has been working fine for a very long time. I went to try to watch TV but it won't let me, basically it can't seem to find my tuner. So I go into mythtvsetup, but it won't let me add a tuner |
| [00:22:53] | iamlindoro: | quantum: You will likely need to post console output for when you attempt both things |
| [00:23:08] | quantum: | Query was: |
| [00:23:08] | quantum: | SELECT cardid, cardtype, videodevice FROM capturecard WHERE hostname = 'charity_frontend' AND parentid='0' |
| [00:23:08] | quantum: | Driver error was [2/1054]: |
| [00:23:08] | quantum: | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| [00:23:08] | quantum: | Database error was: |
| [00:23:10] | quantum: | Unknown column 'parentid' in 'where clause' |
| [00:23:11] | iamlindoro: | pastebin those logs at rafb.net/paste or similar |
| [00:23:14] | iamlindoro: | Whoah |
| [00:23:15] | iamlindoro: | whoah |
| [00:23:17] | iamlindoro: | not in channel |
| [00:24:15] | iamlindoro: | anyway, likely *is* a database issue, you should try the myth optimize script in contrib |
| [00:24:18] | quantum: | http://rafb.net/p/83Rgo738.html |
| [00:24:19] | Dagmar: | I think maybe it's time we considered making a "donation" of a mythbackend startup script that does a brutally thorough mysql database check and tell people to damn well use it |
| [00:24:46] | iamlindoro: | optimize_mythdb.pl, may or may not be in your path somewhere depending on dristo |
| [00:24:48] | iamlindoro: | distro |
| [00:25:02] | quantum: | yeah I ran optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [00:25:20] | Dagmar: | ...and what error message did it give you? |
| [00:25:25] | quantum: | I can play videos fine, just something with the tuner portion. |
| [00:25:37] | iamlindoro: | That's in the DB too ya know ;) |
| [00:26:14] | quantum: | doesn't sound like a firewall issue does it |
| [00:26:34] | quantum: | how do I go about fixing this issue? |
| [00:26:48] | Dagmar: | Same thing as before. |
| [00:27:07] | Dagmar: | Your database is still broken. |
| [00:27:37] | quantum: | o.k. how the heck do I fix it. is there a gui frontend to it or something |
| [00:27:52] | Dagmar: | ...and what error message did optimize_mysql give you? |
| [00:28:05] | quantum: | optimize didn't give any error |
| [00:28:40] | iamlindoro: | ah, did you change hostnames? |
| [00:28:56] | quantum: | don't think so, but who knows |
| [00:29:07] | quantum: | I didn't chaneg it at least, and it looks the sme |
| [00:29:10] | quantum: | the same |
| [00:29:49] | iamlindoro: | so if you "ping charity_frontend" you get responses, and it's from the IP address your MySQL DB lives on? |
| [00:30:00] | iamlindoro: | ie I want you to ping it by hostname |
| [00:31:01] | quantum: | ping charity is o.k. |
| [00:31:07] | quantum: | no ping charity_frontend |
| [00:31:27] | iamlindoro: | well the DB seems to thinkg it's "charity_frontend" |
| [00:31:29] | iamlindoro: | think |
| [00:31:47] | Dagmar: | mysqlcheck --analyze --all-database |
| [00:32:22] | Dagmar: | I'm assuming you've not done something to break the permissions |
| [00:32:49] | Dagmar: | ...cuz "Unknown column 'parentid' in 'where clause'" looks to me like big chunks of the database are missing. |
| [00:33:03] | Dagmar: | Of course, this could be another craptacular MythBuntu upgrade gone wrong |
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| [00:33:34] | quantum: | no, really haven't intentionally changed anything |
| [00:33:55] | quantum: | I get permission denyied with mysqlcheck, looks like I need something like -u root? |
| [00:34:19] | Dagmar: | It should be assumed that if you are doing _repair_ operations on the database you should be using the admin credentials. |
| [00:34:36] | quantum: | mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) when trying to connect |
| [00:34:56] | quantum: | o.k. just need -p |
| [00:35:34] | quantum: | go some OK's and some Table is already up to date |
| [00:36:41] | Dagmar: | Oh well. |
| [00:36:49] | Dagmar: | Nothing else I can suggest other than to blow away the database and reinitialize it |
| [00:36:59] | quantum: | so the parentid cloumn is missing |
| [00:37:12] | Dagmar: | I highly doubt that's the only one |
| [00:37:18] | quantum: | how do I view that table |
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| [00:40:08] | quantum: | if I try to start a new database won't I loose all my recordings? |
| [00:41:04] | Dagmar: | Aren't backups just lovely. |
| [00:42:05] | spud1: | quantum: I don't think so . Isn't the database just the info about the recordings? |
| [00:42:34] | quantum: | well yeah, but that is pretty critical |
| [00:42:39] | spud1: | The actual files should stioll be there |
| [00:45:47] | spud1: | I can't get nvidia to show up in eselect opengl on a new gentoo after installing the nvidia driver. Any clues? |
| [00:45:59] | Dagmar: | Try #Gentoo |
| [00:46:08] | spud1: | ok |
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| [01:00:50] | spud1: | nvidia is all there. emerging mythtv as we speak. |
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| [01:14:16] | justinh: | pfff another late late one |
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| [01:22:51] | janneg: | first HD PVR linux driver release. join #hdpvr for details |
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| [01:34:50] | mikegrb: | a/w aa |
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| [01:44:06] | justinh: | fack. just re-recorded a record cos it was clipped. the original has clipping. ffs |
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| [01:52:07] | jblack: | I wish cable companies in my area stated whether or not channels are encrypted. Then I could decide whether the stuff I can receive is worth the money. |
| [01:52:59] | justinh: | just take it for granted that everything you pay for is encrippled |
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| [02:04:23] | jblack: | Yeah, which would leave only broadcast TV, which I pick up OTA> |
| [02:05:45] | jblack: | I don't mind skipping HBO and stuff. If I can't even watch the daily show, then it seems like a waste of money. |
| [02:06:14] | jblack: | cable on this side of the pond is broken up into tiers. |
| [02:07:15] | justinh: | ach well. bedtime now. going to a theme park in the morning :D |
| [02:07:19] | jblack: | At the lowest tier, one tends to find things such as the science channel. Higher up from that, discovery times, tlc, etc. The next teir up, no idea. |
| [02:07:42] | jblack: | Nice. I hope you have a great time. Eat a caramel apple for me. |
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| [02:10:54] | hti_pro: | what horizsync and vertrefresh setitngs should i use for tvout in xorg.conf |
| [02:11:10] | Dagmar: | Depends on where you are |
| [02:11:17] | hti_pro: | NTSC us |
| [02:11:23] | Dagmar: | It's a safe bet that for NTSC SD (like a TV) you want 60Hz vertical |
| [02:11:40] | hti_pro: | ok, what about horzsync |
| [02:12:29] | Dagmar: | could be anything |
| [02:12:33] | Dagmar: | It doesn't much matter really |
| [02:12:43] | Dagmar: | Leave that out entirely and X will *probably* figure it out on it's own just fine |
| [02:12:53] | hti_pro: | ok |
| [02:12:54] | Dagmar: | I haven't had to explicitly set those things in a long while |
| [02:13:46] | hti_pro: | I am trying to set up 2 video cards, hopefully one for console(CRT) and one for mythtv/X(tv out) any idea if this is possible |
| [02:14:03] | Dagmar: | It's possible |
| [02:14:21] | hti_pro: | know where i could find docs on this sort of thing |
| [02:14:31] | Dagmar: | All over the internet |
| [02:15:04] | hti_pro: | what should i search for, all of my ideas have come up empty |
| [02:15:53] | Dagmar: | http://www.google.com/search?q=xorg+multi+monitor |
| [02:16:05] | hti_pro: | alright thanks alot |
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| [02:23:14] | hti_pro: | all of the hits on that search and the ones i have executed all assume I want both montiors to show some part of the X desktop, I guess what I am trying to do is create seperate "terminals" where the keyboard/mouse would be attached to the crt for general cli terminal use and the tv to display the xserver/mythtv |
| [02:23:34] | Dagmar: | That's not going to hapepn |
| [02:23:39] | hti_pro: | really |
| [02:23:44] | Dagmar: | The kernel is pretty tightly tied to one display setups |
| [02:24:01] | Dagmar: | You can throw up two displays and just fill one with an xterm if you like tho |
| [02:24:34] | hti_pro: | i have read a howto on having a similar setup, but I believe that all the "terminals" had their own X server |
| [02:24:53] | hti_pro: | i was afraid that was my only option |
| [02:25:21] | Dagmar: | Nah |
| [02:26:00] | Dagmar: | You *can*--with some very careful configuration--have one X server handling FOUR displays, mice, and keyboardss, with entirely separate setups. |
| [02:26:12] | Dagmar: | you just can't do it with four text consoles |
| [02:26:19] | Dagmar: | text consoles, you only get one of |
| [02:26:34] | hti_pro: | if i "stretch" accross CRT and TV can I setup mythtv to come up on a specific part of the desktop, ie. the TV, and also have the xterm session load automatically and on a specific location of the desktop, ie. CRT |
| [02:26:54] | hti_pro: | thats what i thought, X seems much more versatile than text consoles |
| [02:27:03] | Dagmar: | It is |
| [02:27:17] | hti_pro: | kind of a dissappointment, i must say one of the first in my linux experience |
| [02:27:41] | Dagmar: | Keep in mind that the text console isn't anything anyone expects to keep using on anything |
| [02:28:09] | Dagmar: | It is a VASTLY inferior display compared to what one can get with even the chepest of VGA video modes |
| [02:29:58] | hti_pro: | any idea on my previous question about having mythtv display on a certain area of the desktop everytime |
| [02:30:17] | GreyFoxx: | use the -geometry commandline parameter |
| [02:30:25] | GreyFoxx: | you can specific the size and location |
| [02:30:45] | Dagmar: | THere's also an environment variable one can set |
| [02:30:59] | Dagmar: | ...similar to `DISPLAY=remotehost:0 xterm` |
| [02:31:42] | hti_pro: | what i want is to load mythtv on the tv on boot and also an xterm session on the crt on boot |
| [02:31:55] | hti_pro: | do i pass that parameter to x or the app being run |
| [02:32:31] | hti_pro: | maybe what i am trying to do is more trouble than it is worth!!! |
| [02:32:44] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
| [02:32:51] | Dagmar: | This is actually easier than you think |
| [02:33:02] | Dagmar: | Ther'es a lot of crap that happens *after* you start X actually. |
| [02:33:13] | Dagmar: | X by itself, doesn't give you _sh*t_ on your display |
| [02:33:18] | hti_pro: | right |
| [02:33:42] | Dagmar: | So, for example, I'm still being a lazy bitch over here, and I have my frontend starting from /root/.xinitrc |
| [02:34:10] | Dagmar: | I actually have an init script to just make the thing into it's own runlevel, but I've been lazy about doing the final testing |
| [02:34:45] | hti_pro: | :) i believe that is how mine is starting, i'd be interested in that if you get it working |
| [02:34:48] | Dagmar: | All you'd need to do is have your rc script for X start the xterm with a & at the end to make it background that, and then start mythfrontend (since mythfrontend does NOT exit) |
| [02:34:58] | hti_pro: | er... when you get it working |
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| [02:35:25] | Dagmar: | Yeah my main concern is that I was in a hurry and I think I might have thrown out a bit more stuff (like x resource stuff) than I should have |
| [02:35:55] | hti_pro: | ok, when do i pass the -geometry parameter |
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| [02:36:31] | Dagmar: | The little dash should tell you that it's an argument you pass to whatever app you're running |
| [02:36:42] | Dagmar: | xterm -geometry 0x0x0x0x |
| [02:37:03] | hti_pro: | ok, so any app will respond to that parameter?? I am interested in streamlining my setup for mythtv, I feel like i am wasting alot of resources by running mythtv over a standard distro |
| [02:37:13] | Dagmar: | Almost all X apps do |
| [02:37:18] | hti_pro: | ok |
| [02:37:31] | Dagmar: | That's one they get more or less "for free" because all they have to do is include a few common bits of X when they compile |
| [02:38:03] | Dagmar: | xterm -help is positively spammy, but there's a great deal you can pass to X apps when you start them |
| [02:38:08] | hti_pro: | ok, thats good to know, I am also dabbling a little in C programming |
| [02:38:49] | hti_pro: | so that might come in handy |
| [02:41:06] | hti_pro: | what is the best resolution to use for TV |
| [02:41:12] | hti_pro: | 640x480 |
| [02:41:24] | hti_pro: | or should i set it high, and let the hardware do the scaling |
| [02:42:22] | Dagmar: | with most of the nVidia cards I've seen, the best results actually come from setting the video output to 1024x768 |
| [02:42:37] | Dagmar: | I think it's got something to do with letting the nVidia driver have more detail with which to work it's magic |
| [02:42:42] | Dagmar: | ...and it IS magic. |
| [02:43:08] | Dagmar: | If you're using the s-video output of the nVidia card, you generally don't have to care about interlacing or deinterlacing. The driver just "figures it out" |
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| [02:49:18] | spud1: | what's a good partition size for just live tv? I'm thinking maybe 8Gig? |
| [02:49:37] | MinDKrime: | 8? |
| [02:49:45] | Dagmar: | I don't even seen why people would bother |
| [02:50:24] | Dagmar: | Unless you leave the thing running all day long, it should just expire things to free up space if you get low the moment you step out of live TV |
| [02:50:33] | Dagmar: | ...and I mean running on liveTV all day long |
| [02:50:42] | dustybin: | to my suprise, the motherboard used in my myth backend/frontend box has build in Intel 865G graphics, is that chip good enough to playback SD video? |
| [02:50:44] | MinDKrime: | what if you are watch a long program? |
| [02:50:56] | Dagmar: | Someone probably ran into a problem case but I've no idea what it could be |
| [02:50:58] | jamesd_: | 8GB? what you don't even want to record any TV? you need at least 80GB just to grab a movie and install the software if you have an HD tuner. |
| [02:50:59] | MinDKrime: | Indy 500 was 26 gigs (HD) |
| [02:51:16] | MinDKrime: | you need more than 8 for sure |
| [02:51:25] | spud1: | I've got a 1.5Tb raid5 for recordings. I'm thinking a seperate partition for live |
| [02:51:32] | Dagmar: | MindKrime: This I think would be an excellent argument for not putting it in it's own small partition |
| [02:51:51] | asmussen: | I'm not really sure there's any big advantage to splitting off live tv to a separate partition. |
| [02:51:53] | MinDKrime: | mine is not :) |
| [02:52:25] | MinDKrime: | mine runs great (beside crappy nf4 audio nonpassthrough POS) |
| [02:52:48] | spud1: | Does the live delete itself after a show's over? |
| [02:52:56] | Dagmar: | not automatically |
| [02:53:13] | asmussen: | At least not right away. |
| [02:53:19] | Dagmar: | It just becomes a "valid for expiring and deleting" file just like all the others, but with a much higher spot on the list |
| [02:53:23] | MinDKrime: | after some time |
| [02:53:33] | Dagmar: | Like, if your box needs space for a recording, those are going to likely be the first to go |
| [02:53:39] | spud1: | But it will roll off when it's full? |
| [02:53:44] | asmussen: | Yeah |
| [02:53:48] | Dagmar: | It will never get "full" |
| [02:54:01] | Dagmar: | You've got a setting for the amount of "slack" space that it shouold always try to keep free |
| [02:54:05] | spud1: | So, auto deletion |
| [02:54:14] | kdub: | i use negative slack |
| [02:54:20] | kdub: | just to make your statement invalid |
| [02:54:38] | Dagmar: | You pretty much would have to work at it hard to fill that thing up, and you'd know it was full long before liveTV became a problem if you set the slack space right |
| [02:55:01] | Dagmar: | I keep mine set to reserve 4.6Gb free just out of paranoia, and that's a damn small amount on a 500Gb disk |
| [02:55:11] | Dagmar: | It hasn't gotten there yet |
| [02:55:17] | Dagmar: | ...cuz I've got 2Tb |
| [02:55:24] | spud1: | nice |
| [02:55:40] | kdub: | ive got a massive 180 gigs of storage space |
| [02:55:54] | kdub: | what do you people need all that space for |
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| [02:56:04] | dustybin: | if one has intel graphics on linux, am i right in thinking that most of the drivers come pre-packed with xorg and the kernel |
| [02:56:05] | kdub: | do you hoard stuff? |
| [02:56:32] | Dagmar: | kdub: I have more crappy B-rated Sci Fi movies than most video store francises |
| [02:56:40] | Dagmar: | dustybin: Pretty much |
| [02:56:45] | spud1: | file server, too |
| [02:56:47] | dustybin: | ace :) |
| [02:56:52] | Dagmar: | You MIGHT have to go fetch a firmware file for some of the wireless chipsets and that's about it |
| [02:57:00] | asmussen: | HD recordings also can eat space fairly quickly. |
| [02:57:10] | dustybin: | intel loves linux |
| [02:57:29] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I've been juggling numbers for about a week now on upgrading/rebuilding/rearranging my hardware so I can get all the goddamn drives OUT of the myth box and into their own NAS box in the study |
| [02:57:39] | Dagmar: | THe level of "whooshy" from it was okay when it was "just" 500Gb |
| [02:57:55] | Dagmar: | ...but now it's got five drives, all with their own cooling fans, and things are getting out of hand |
| [02:58:52] | dustybin: | Dagmar: is your whole house wired up with ethernet connections |
| [02:58:59] | Dagmar: | Hell no |
| [02:59:02] | Dagmar: | I have wireless. |
| [02:59:06] | dustybin: | ok.. |
| [02:59:19] | Dagmar: | I get tired of snaking ethernet down the central heat and air ducts |
| [02:59:30] | dustybin: | lol |
| [03:00:17] | dustybin: | when i move i wouldnt mind getting ethernet laid down professionally with wall sockets |
| [03:00:24] | kdub: | people do that? |
| [03:00:35] | dustybin: | and a big switch in the cupboard |
| [03:00:37] | kdub: | is it legal to run cable through hvac ducts? |
| [03:01:22] | hti_pro: | it has to be plenum rated cable but yes |
| [03:01:39] | hti_pro: | actually you might wanna check on that |
| [03:02:33] | hti_pro: | i may be alittle off, it is legal to run cabling through return ducts if plenum rated but im not sure about inside heating/ac ducts. If so you would definitely want plenum rated |
| [03:03:09] | hti_pro: | Dagmar: do you use SD tuners or HD and how many |
| [03:03:42] | hti_pro: | I have heard of bandwidth issues using WiFi |
| [03:03:50] | Dagmar: | Sd. PVR-500 |
| [03:04:02] | Dagmar: | Well, the place I live has mainly old people in it |
| [03:04:20] | Dagmar: | While some of them might be having their pacemakers kick over and die, at least it's not interfering with my wireless |
| [03:04:30] | Dagmar: | I don't have wires between the rooms. |
| [03:04:32] | hti_pro: | lol :) |
| [03:04:48] | hti_pro: | I try to use WiFi as little as possible |
| [03:04:51] | Dagmar: | In each room tho (with the exception of the bedroom, which only has one machine) there's definitely wires |
| [03:05:36] | hti_pro: | i just run my cables along the walls by the ceilings, of course my doors become unusable |
| [03:05:39] | dustybin: | Dagmar: i thought you guys have HD |
| [03:05:42] | Dagmar: | So between a lack of shitty 2.4Ghz cordless phones or other access points to deal with, the directional antennas I'm using to beam crap directly betwen the front and bacck of the apartmetn (with the reciever for the middle room directly in LOS with more parabolics) I don't have a porblem |
| [03:05:47] | Dagmar: | I don't have HD. |
| [03:06:00] | Dagmar: | I've put off even trying to upgrade to that becasue of the fucking cable companies and their theft of fair use rights |
| [03:06:12] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [03:06:20] | Dagmar: | Until the HCPVR came out I was fairly well convincced I was going to have to start breaking some laws this fall |
| [03:06:28] | Dagmar: | s/HC/HD/; |
| [03:06:28] | kdub: | dude |
| [03:06:32] | kdub: | even WITH breaking laws |
| [03:06:42] | kdub: | you would have a hell of a time recording HD |
| [03:06:52] | hti_pro: | personally i am satisfied with SD and HD would just be wasting space |
| [03:06:59] | Dagmar: | Nah, I was going to flat out get a QAM card and just break the hell out of the system |
| [03:07:03] | dustybin: | 9gig per hour? |
| [03:07:07] | kdub: | hti_pro, that is pure insanity |
| [03:07:14] | Dagmar: | Hence, the 2Tb of disk. |
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| [03:07:25] | kdub: | Dagmar, no one has hacked qam |
| [03:07:35] | Dagmar: | kdub: That would be untrue |
| [03:07:42] | kdub: | ive looked |
| [03:07:43] | kdub: | a lot |
| [03:07:44] | hti_pro: | kdub: i only have an SD tv, so not so insane |
| [03:07:49] | hti_pro: | for me anyway |
| [03:08:13] | Dagmar: | kdub: Well, I'll put it this way |
| [03:08:34] | Dagmar: | By Feb 2009 I expect Comcast will really heavily step up their plans to force everyone to go digital |
| [03:08:50] | Dagmar: | ...and at some point they were probably going to take SciFi out of the analog line up |
| [03:09:13] | hti_pro: | Comcast = the devil |
| [03:09:18] | Dagmar: | ...at which point probably 99% of the time I watch TV would be devoted to destroying their evil empire...er...getting my scifi back |
| [03:09:29] | kdub: | if you could crack QAM why would you NOT? |
| [03:09:44] | kdub: | if you pay for it then you shouldnt feel bad for recording it |
| [03:09:44] | quantum: | crack sucks |
| [03:09:47] | Dagmar: | Because it's pretty damn easy to just pay $30/month to get it without the ttrouble |
| [03:10:06] | Dagmar: | ...but if they put me in a corner where I don't have any options, that would be their mistake |
| [03:10:12] | kdub: | if it were easy enough for someone to crack it then they would have |
| [03:10:32] | hti_pro: | get the dvr receiver and tap into the firewire and use the dvr as a capture card |
| [03:10:38] | Dagmar: | Dude, these people always use crappy methods of encryption |
| [03:10:45] | dustybin: | kdub: there are computers out there running 24.7 trying to crack all sorts of shit, it takes time |
| [03:10:59] | kdub: | im not saying it cant be done |
| [03:11:02] | kdub: | im saying it hasnt |
| [03:11:09] | dustybin: | some computers could be left on for 50+ years until something is cracked |
| [03:11:20] | quantum: | yeah I think china has supercomputers dedicated to it |
| [03:11:24] | Dagmar: | The little dish people were all yammering about their systems being unbreakable, but as you can tell from reading Wired.com now, that was so far from the truth it wasn't even funny |
| [03:11:25] | kdub: | haha |
| [03:12:24] | hti_pro: | the iPhone was cracked in what 1 day |
| [03:12:31] | Dagmar: | I mean, as quick as people have made emulators for the PS2, a very similar stunt could be pulled for these STBs |
| [03:12:43] | Dagmar: | ...adn you KNOW the things have less processing power than a PS2 |
| [03:12:52] | quantum: | I have encrypted some of my stuff with 100000000 bit encryption |
| [03:13:13] | hti_pro: | right, I would love to get some of their "specialized hardware" in a pci card |
| [03:13:31] | Dagmar: | Nah all you'd need is an emu and a PROM dump |
| [03:13:34] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [03:14:14] | dustybin: | then reverse engineer it into raw asm |
| [03:15:10] | Dagmar: | Decompiling it would probably happen first actually |
| [03:15:28] | Dagmar: | An emu and a prom dump has advantages that are anathema to this channels' topic tho so I'm not sayin' em |
| [03:15:47] | quantum: | why is it always so hard to find decompiliers |
| [03:16:46] | dustybin: | quantum: there are more than likely lots of open source ones out there already |
| [03:17:06] | asmussen: | Isn't it the case, that encryption keys are usually hard coded into custom chips in the box (Not just a PROM chip that you could read it off of), and that you'd have to break the encryption just to write the emulator in the first place? |
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| [03:17:57] | dustybin: | asmussen: aye a lot of apples chips are like that |
| [03:18:07] | dustybin: | but anyway this is off topic |
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| [03:20:16] | hti_pro: | asmussen: with the right tools any thing is possible |
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| [03:21:11] | asmussen: | True. But, in a lot of cases, the 'right tools' don't already exist to do certain jobs, and if they do they may be prohibitively expensive. |
| [03:21:32] | hti_pro: | thats true |
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| [03:24:24] | asmussen: | I've got a bunch of work to do on my home systems over the weekend. I've had to SATA drives fail within the last 24 hours (In separate machines.) One was the drive in a standalone Myth frontend, and the other is one half of the mirror in my fileserver. |
| [03:24:38] | asmussen: | *two |
| [03:25:54] | asmussen: | Come to think of it, we've got maintenance to do on the AIX systems at work this weekend too... *groan* |
| [03:26:25] | kdub: | poor you |
| [03:26:53] | asmussen: | I'll live... Probably... |
| [03:27:18] | quantum: | heard china broke hacked the PC of house rep. who was trying to pass a bill to address the issue of china's agressive hacking of the US gov. |
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| [03:29:55] | Dagmar: | kdub: You say that, but it's AIX. |
| [03:29:59] | Dagmar: | You should be lighting candles for him |
| [03:29:59] | quantum: | wonder if the motion will pass |
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| [03:31:17] | tgm4883_laptop: | I'm trying to add the livetvidletimeout to the settings table and wanted to know if I need to put in a seperate entry for each frontend or if I could make the hostname entry null and then it would work for all frontends? i'm using mythtv .21 on ubuntu 8.04 |
| [03:31:58] | whoDat_: | anyone have an idea of how i would mimick unplugged and replugging in the firewire cable to the stb via software? rmmoding and re-modprobing the firewire modules doesn't seem to be enough. i have to physicly unplug and plug back in the firewire cable to get mythtv to prime. |
| [03:32:45] | tgm4883_laptop: | whoDat_, isn't there a -r function for that? |
| [03:32:54] | tgm4883_laptop: | for resetting the firewire bus |
| [03:32:55] | whoDat_: | yeah. |
| [03:33:00] | whoDat_: | but that doesnt do it either |
| [03:33:07] | quantum: | do you need to power it down somehow |
| [03:33:12] | Dagmar: | So, perhaps you should tell us what you're trying to accomplish with this? |
| [03:33:25] | Dagmar: | 'cuz an X10 module and a firecracker might well do it |
| [03:33:37] | whoDat_: | right now, mythprime -v just constantly fails. i know if i unplug/replug the firewire cable it will start working. no amount of -R or rmmod works. |
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| [03:34:41] | whoDat_: | obviously doing that all the time isnt viable, unless i hook up like an automated robot arm to pull out the firewire calbe ;) |
| [03:35:03] | Dagmar: | So, perhaps you should tell us what you're trying to accomplish with this. |
| [03:35:04] | quantum: | check ebay |
| [03:35:25] | Dagmar: | ...because I'm pretty sure *powercycling* the device will reset it. |
| [03:35:41] | whoDat_: | i am trying to accomplish getting my firewire to prime in a more automated fashion to view hd over firewire from my stb |
| [03:37:14] | whoDat_: | you mean rebooting the stb? thats not very viable to do all the time either. it takes like 10 minutes to boot practicly. |
| [03:37:25] | Dagmar: | Having it prime with the backend start script isn't enough? |
| [03:37:38] | whoDat_: | nope |
| [03:37:52] | whoDat_: | that script just runs mythprime right? |
| [03:37:53] | Dagmar: | So why do you need to prime it repeatedly? |
| [03:38:25] | tgm4883_laptop: | whoDat_, sounds like you need to remove crap channels |
| [03:38:25] | whoDat_: | not sure about that. usually when i try it the next day it needs primed. |
| [03:38:45] | whoDat_: | if i try it an hour after it primes, it usually works. |
| [03:38:56] | whoDat_: | havent been able to narrow it down more than that |
| [03:39:29] | whoDat_: | tgm4883: why do you say that? |
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| [03:39:53] | Dagmar: | Talk to the guys who do mythprime |
| [03:39:57] | Dagmar: | You shoudl only need to prime it once |
| [03:40:09] | Dagmar: | They might have an explanation of what's going wrong |
| [03:40:29] | whoDat_: | hmm so maybe its when i switch to a SD channel i lose the prime |
| [03:41:10] | tgm4883_laptop: | whoDat_, I used to lose prime on channels that were encrypted or channels that were broadcast poorly |
| [03:41:41] | Dagmar: | I'd say tie the thing into the external channel change script |
| [03:41:49] | Dagmar: | ...or just add an exec to the source |
| [03:42:10] | whoDat_: | ive sent a few emails back and for with major idiot, who is working on a firewire channel scanner. he said try to unload/reload the firewire modules. |
| [03:42:55] | whoDat_: | tgrm: thats probably what it is. but I cant get prime back without unplugged the durn firewire cable. |
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| [04:04:58] | Tixer: | I'm trying to set up MythTV so I can play GameCube off my PVR-150 tuner. I'd also like to be able to watch cable tv, although this isn't necessary. I've installed all mythtv necessary packages on Hardy Heron, and I still can't get it to work |
| [04:05:14] | Dagmar: | Stop smoking dope. |
| [04:05:18] | Tixer: | >.> |
| [04:05:35] | Dagmar: | You won't be able to play video games through the tuner, unless they are all board games. |
| [04:05:41] | Tixer: | >.> |
| [04:05:44] | wagner: | mythtv puts a minimum 2 second latency on all recordings |
| [04:05:51] | Dagmar: | There is a *delay* in the video that can not be avoided. |
| [04:05:58] | Tixer: | oh |
| [04:06:05] | Tixer: | well, say I just wanted to do Cable TV |
| [04:06:15] | Dagmar: | Then the install documentation explains everything you need to know. |
| [04:06:27] | Tixer: | I've been reading help files all night >.> |
| [04:06:27] | Dagmar: | There's nothing weird about watching cable TV with MythTV. |
| [04:06:34] | wagner: | PVR-150s are relatively easy to set up |
| [04:06:47] | wagner: | under gentoo, it involved all of 'emerge ivtv' |
| [04:06:56] | Tixer: | the issue is that the backend looks fine, but when I go to the frontend and click watch tv, it just flashes once and goes back to the menu |
| [04:07:02] | Dagmar: | Tixer: This is me, not caring if people read all sorts of things on the web that are not the installation documentation, except I've been doing it for weeks on end, man. |
| [04:07:11] | wagner: | check your backend logs, check your dev node permissions |
| [04:07:25] | Tixer: | how do I check dev node permissions? |
| [04:07:33] | wagner: | ls -l /dev/v4l |
| [04:07:33] | Dagmar: | The logs are definitely going to be saying something important. |
| [04:07:57] | Dagmar: | Probably something along the lines of "No channels or tuners defined. Run mythtv-setup!" |
| [04:08:04] | wagner: | the user running the backend must have read/write permissions to the nodes in that folder |
| [04:08:11] | wagner: | that could do it too |
| [04:08:32] | Tixer: | no such file or directory /dev/v4l |
| [04:08:43] | Tixer: | mythfrontend.log looks fine |
| [04:08:55] | Dagmar: | Backend log. |
| [04:09:04] | wagner: | if there's no /dev/v4l, you have not yet set up ivtv |
| [04:09:08] | wagner: | or you have not set it up properly |
| [04:09:11] | Tixer: | MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 3 |
| [04:09:19] | Dagmar: | ...which is why the install documentation is there. |
| [04:09:22] | Tixer: | >.> |
| [04:10:02] | wagner: | make sure ivtv is installed, make sure the ivtv module is loaded, check your 'dmesg' for possible errors |
| [04:10:39] | Dagmar: | Man all this jspeak makes me want to break out my old irc banner pack |
| [04:10:57] | wagner: | jspeak? |
| [04:11:06] | Dagmar: | ">.>" and so on |
| [04:11:24] | Dagmar: | I have much better ones |
| [04:11:42] | Tixer: | ivtv is installed, how do I check if the module is loaded? |
| [04:11:43] | wagner: | ah, i just thought it was called annoying, i dont even know what '>.>' is supposed to mean |
| [04:11:44] | Dagmar: | Like one that says "God told me to skin you alive." and has a nice picture of a guy with a knife pursuing two fleeing figures. |
| [04:11:47] | wagner: | lsmod |
| [04:12:16] | Dagmar: | I really doubt ivtv is installed unless that distro's udev is just on fire |
| [04:12:19] | hti_pro: | does anyone know if there is a way to turn off the tv-output on an ati radeon card, btw atitvout does not work on this card |
| [04:12:36] | Dagmar: | hti_pro: Wait, you want to turn it *off*? |
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| [04:12:42] | Tixer: | ivtv 152512 0 |
| [04:12:45] | Tixer: | yeah, it's enabled. |
| [04:13:03] | wagner: | try a 'dmesg | grep ivtv' |
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| [04:13:20] | Tixer: | got a fair bit of stuff. |
| [04:13:26] | Tixer: | do we have a pastebin here? |
| [04:13:29] | hti_pro: | Dagmar: yes, I have an automatic vid switcher and it hangs on my myth box b/c there is alway output, when i want to watch something else i need to "turn off" the signal |
| [04:13:47] | wagner: | you can stick it on pastebin, and paste in the link |
| [04:14:05] | Dagmar: | hti_pro: I can honestly say I've no idea at all if that's even possible, but the driver notes *might* say something useful |
| [04:14:13] | Dagmar: | If they say nothing, then it might not be possible to disable it. |
| [04:14:17] | hti_pro: | Dagmar: I have accomplished this with xset dpms force off, or something like that, but if you press a key it comes back on |
| [04:14:25] | Dagmar: | Like, you can't exactly turn off the video output on your regular VGA card |
| [04:14:26] | Tixer: | http://pastebin.ca/1045700 |
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| [04:15:15] | wagner: | so ivtv is loaded, has detected your cards, and yet you have no /dev/v4l? |
| [04:15:26] | Dagmar: | Tixer: You really should have /dev/v4l |
| [04:15:31] | Dagmar: | What distro are you putting this on? |
| [04:15:35] | wagner: | either v4l is not loaded, or your udev is seriously hosed |
| [04:16:14] | Dagmar: | Watch it be another Little Timmy Linux |
| [04:16:16] | Tixer: | any ideas? |
| [04:16:27] | Dagmar: | What wagner says sums it up, man |
| [04:16:40] | Dagmar: | This should all be *automatic* on a properly-functioning modern distro |
| [04:16:46] | Tixer: | distro is Hardy Heron AMD64 btw. |
| [04:17:00] | Dagmar: | Now, if you've been so insane as to try to install it on .... That shoots that |
| [04:17:14] | Dagmar: | You might want to try #Ubuntu and see if they have any ideas |
| [04:17:41] | wagner: | does v4l come pre-built on ubuntu? or do you have to run a custom kernel? |
| [04:17:45] | Dagmar: | You'd pretty much have to have tried to do a "partial" install and left out a bunch of stuff you really needed to break it |
| [04:18:05] | Dagmar: | Side note: I effing hate that syslog format for the timestamps |
| [04:18:11] | Dagmar: | Freaking *useless* of them |
| [04:18:36] | Tixer: | anything I can try with any of these? v4l2-ctl v4l2-dbg v4l-conf v4lctl v4l-info. |
| [04:18:37] | Dagmar: | wagner: As far as I know it's part of their "normal" kernel |
| [04:18:40] | Dagmar: | Too much stuff needs it |
| [04:18:47] | Dagmar: | Tixer: Those will do nothing for you |
| [04:18:54] | Tixer: | crud |
| [04:19:59] | wagner: | well i found an old ubuntu howto, but its from 2005 (so no longer valid), and the page has been replaced by a search placeholder anyway |
| [04:20:27] | Tixer: | does anyone know what's required to get a PVR-150 running on OS X? |
| [04:20:44] | Dagmar: | Geez. |
| [04:20:51] | Dagmar: | Dumbass pill spammers are flooding pastebin.ca |
| [04:20:52] | Tixer: | I'm triple booting here. |
| [04:20:55] | wagner: | is the backend running on OSX? |
| [04:20:59] | Tixer: | nope |
| [04:21:13] | Tixer: | the backend is running on the same os / comp |
| [04:21:21] | Tixer: | which would be hardy |
| [04:21:28] | wagner: | so, im asking if the mythtv backend will compile on osx |
| [04:21:42] | wagner: | i know people have set up frontends, but i have only heard of people setting up frontends |
| [04:21:56] | wagner: | s/so/no/ |
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| [04:22:50] | RungeKutta: | I'm having a problem with the Myth that's bundled with the latest Mythbuntu. I'm trying to create an extension and while I can click "New" and add the extension, it doesn't seem to save it. |
| [04:22:53] | flouge1: | how hard is it to have a windows box do the transcoding |
| [04:23:03] | Tixer: | I haven't tried compiling the backend for os x |
| [04:23:26] | RungeKutta: | Is there something else I need to configure to allow for me to add custom 'File Types' |
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| [04:23:51] | wagner: | flouge1: it is impossible to do it through mythtv |
| [04:24:07] | hti_pro: | i got something strange going on, If i rewind or fast forward, about every ten seconds after it is like the show pauses and skips back and forth between two frames for a second or two |
| [04:24:10] | Dagmar: | RungeKutta: Talk to #Mythbuntu about it. It's been fixed in release-0.21-fixes that I know of |
| [04:24:13] | wagner: | however its relatively simple in other programs |
| [04:24:28] | hti_pro: | anyone ever experienced this |
| [04:24:35] | flouge1: | ya my windows box is a lot more powerfull than the capture box |
| [04:24:37] | Dagmar: | Well, provided you're not trying to use MediaCoder or Handbrake |
| [04:24:51] | wagner: | hti_pro: ten seconds after you stop doing anything with the remote? |
| [04:24:55] | Dagmar: | MediaCoder *mostly* works but it's interface is pretty buggy |
| [04:24:58] | RungeKutta: | Dagmar: Ok thanks |
| [04:25:05] | hti_pro: | wagner: yep |
| [04:25:07] | wagner: | flouge1: i do all my encoding on windows with megui |
| [04:25:20] | Dagmar: | RungeKutta: That burning sensation in your stomach is normal when trying to deal with transcoders |
| [04:25:34] | fryfrog: | what is wrong with handbrake? |
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| [04:25:41] | wagner: | it would be relatively simple to samba-mount your recordings directory, and then set up a profile in megui that would nearly automate the whole task |
| [04:25:54] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: Well, for one, it only does DVDs |
| [04:25:59] | wagner: | however youre still going to have to manually tell it what to encode |
| [04:26:10] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: ah, true |
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| [04:26:15] | Dagmar: | That makes it a little problematic when you try to feed it videso from the myth box. :) |
| [04:26:18] | high-rez: | Hey Guys – I bought a siig "vista mce remote" assuming it's just a standard old mce driver. But it doesn't seem to be working. Any suggestion on making it work ? |
| [04:26:36] | hti_pro: | maybe need to add the -framedrop option to mplayer??? |
| [04:26:38] | wagner: | i suppose if you were really masochistic, you could enable the telnet server in windows, and write up a user job that logs in and encodes the file over the command line |
| [04:26:38] | Dagmar: | Use irrecord to write your own profile for it |
| [04:26:47] | Dagmar: | ...or you could always Google it |
| [04:26:57] | RungeKutta: | Dagmar: haha |
| [04:27:15] | high-rez: | dagmar: The infrared device doesn't seem to be working... Thats the issue. |
| [04:27:33] | wagner: | make sure lirc is compiled with support for that device |
| [04:27:38] | Dagmar: | RungeKutta: MediaCoder isn't actually all that bad, but there's just a TON of ways you can configure it to make completley unusable files |
| [04:27:43] | high-rez: | wagner: i'm doing mceusb mceusb2... |
| [04:27:54] | Dagmar: | ...and occasionally it will work really hard for two hours and produce NOTHING. |
| [04:28:01] | Dagmar: | ...which is at least something you don't have to delete. |
| [04:28:11] | high-rez: | lususb says "Formosa Industrial Computing, Inc." |
| [04:28:41] | Dagmar: | So it's some completely hitherto unknown USB dongle then |
| [04:28:41] | high-rez: | I'm confused. Should meusb be a /dev/input device? Rawhid? That's where I'm lost. |
| [04:28:55] | Dagmar: | It's not an HID device. |
| [04:28:59] | high-rez: | dagmar: that's what I'm thinking.... |
| [04:29:09] | RungeKutta: | Dagmar: is MediaCoder something I'll need to deal with for playing video_ts? |
| [04:29:12] | RungeKutta: | within myth |
| [04:29:14] | hti_pro: | any thoughts, it is like the video is skipping |
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| [04:29:29] | high-rez: | dagmar: What does it show up in /dev as ? |
| [04:29:35] | fryfrog: | hti_pro: did you maybe tick the "seek to exact frame" option somewhere? |
| [04:29:50] | Dagmar: | high-rez: You're the one with the dongle. How am *I* supposed to know that? |
| [04:30:10] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: if you are talking about lirc_usbmce2? |
| [04:30:13] | hti_pro: | i don't think so, it doesnt do it while i'm skipping just about ten seconds after and about every ten seconds after that |
| [04:30:17] | Dagmar: | Check http://www.qbik.ch/ and see if it's even a *little bit* supported |
| [04:30:27] | fryfrog: | hti_pro: oh, odd :/ how is cpu usage during that time? |
| [04:30:44] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: No, I'm talking about the USB reciever he got that appears to mysteriously not work. |
| [04:30:53] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [04:30:59] | Dagmar: | ...which is not suprising since it's not any of the models that are documented to work. |
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| [04:31:11] | high-rez: | dagmar: I mean mceusb in general... What does it show up as? The thing doesn't come iwth drivers it just works in windows vista... So I'm assuming maybe the usbid is just fsck'd and I can force another device driver to it – but I don't know what. |
| [04:31:19] | Dagmar: | high-res: It's not going to matter. |
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| [04:31:36] | fryfrog: | it doesn't show up as a dev, afaik |
| [04:31:44] | Dagmar: | higih-rez: Again, look it's product and vendor codes up at http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ |
| [04:31:51] | fryfrog: | well, i guess you end up with /dev/lirc0 or /dev/lirc/lirc0 |
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| [04:31:54] | hti_pro: | fryfrog: well about 15% for mplayer and 84% for xorg |
| [04:31:56] | Dagmar: | USB devices do not work as simply as serial recievers do |
| [04:32:05] | fryfrog: | if you use lirc_mceusb2 |
| [04:32:11] | fryfrog: | hti_pro: ... mplayer? |
| [04:32:29] | Dagmar: | ...and the devices made in China have a tendency to be a damn nightmare with respect to not even having correct vendor/prod IDs |
| [04:32:31] | hti_pro: | fryfrog: i use mplayer instead of the internal player |
| [04:32:39] | fryfrog: | why? |
| [04:32:41] | wagner: | something is wrong if youre at 84% for xorg |
| [04:32:46] | fryfrog: | internal in 0.21-fixes is very good |
| [04:32:51] | hti_pro: | fryfrog: im told it has less overhead |
| [04:32:52] | wagner: | is Xv not working? or is this HD video? |
| [04:32:52] | fryfrog: | and there is that too :) |
| [04:33:00] | hti_pro: | ok I'll try it |
| [04:33:05] | Dagmar: | wagner: Xv through Mesa. :) |
| [04:33:22] | fryfrog: | if mplayer skips, you'd probably need to be talking to some #mplayer folks to get a good amount of knowledges |
| [04:33:47] | wagner: | sadly, mesa implies opengl, precluding xv |
| [04:33:49] | hti_pro: | wagner: not HD, but it seems that on all my computers whatever the video player app doesnt use xorg takes up the rest |
| [04:34:16] | hti_pro: | how do i make sure that Xv is working |
| [04:34:18] | fryfrog: | are these low cpu boxes? |
| [04:34:26] | Dagmar: | hti_pro: Hey at least you're consistently misconfiguring things then |
| [04:34:40] | Dagmar: | If you find the problem for one, you'll have it for all of them |
| [04:34:44] | wagner: | run a video from the command line in mplayer, use '-vo xv' |
| [04:34:46] | Dagmar: | This is actually good |
| [04:35:00] | hti_pro: | Dagmar: learn by doing, its the best way!! Yes this is a low CPU box, AMD Duron 800 MHz |
| [04:35:00] | wagner: | if it pops up with an error, xv is not working |
| [04:35:28] | wagner: | with Xv, a duron 800 should have no problem handling SD mpeg2 |
| [04:35:47] | fryfrog: | i would say that high cpu usage isn't *that* bad on a duron 800 :p |
| [04:36:06] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but Xorg should *not* just suck down CPU because it's there |
| [04:36:24] | Dagmar: | Something has gone hideously wrong |
| [04:36:33] | wagner: | fryfrog: i get about a quarter that usage on my laptop (P3 700) |
| [04:37:18] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [04:38:09] | wagner: | i dont know if its 25% exactly, but its negligibly low such that i'm not worried about it sucking battery |
| [04:38:18] | wagner: | im booting it up now to test |
| [04:38:22] | hti_pro: | I tried the -vo xv and it played the video but the skipping is even worse |
| [04:38:42] | wagner: | is this a remote frontend? |
| [04:38:47] | Dagmar: | Take that ATI card "out back". |
| [04:38:56] | hti_pro: | no front/master |
| [04:39:03] | Dagmar: | Bring a little Ronsonol, apply liberally, and have a little bonfire. |
| [04:39:09] | wagner: | so its not network issues... |
| [04:39:12] | hti_pro: | Dagmar: you said it, I hate ATI |
| [04:39:14] | hti_pro: | no |
| [04:39:25] | hti_pro: | my network is in top shape |
| [04:39:26] | Dagmar: | Seriously, spend $15 on some p.o.s Vanta card even |
| [04:39:35] | Dagmar: | ...although $15 should really be able to get you a 5200 |
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| [04:41:34] | hti_pro: | i just took this card from a slave backend/frontend and it worked great in that machine |
| [04:41:52] | Dagmar: | It sounds like the ATI driver just has you over a barrrel in multiple way |
| [04:41:53] | Dagmar: | s |
| [04:41:56] | wagner: | ok, P3 1GHz, Rage 128 16MB, mplayer is using 35% cpu, X is using another 8% |
| [04:42:06] | wagner: | thats 704x480 mpeg2 |
| [04:42:32] | hti_pro: | thats similar to what I am trying to play, only with a much lower end card, what is the deal |
| [04:43:13] | hti_pro: | the card is an ATI All In Wonder Radeon 7500 with the RV200 chipset and 64Mb of ram |
| [04:43:29] | hti_pro: | i know the capture part doesnt work, it is just the tv out that i am using |
| [04:43:35] | wagner: | this is also being streamed over samba, and scaled to 1600xsomething |
| [04:43:55] | hti_pro: | i think i must have something jimmyd |
| [04:44:17] | wagner: | when you ran mplayer from the command line, are you sure it didnt say 'xv failed, reverting to x11' or something along those lines? |
| [04:45:44] | Dagmar: | I think the ATI driver is just burning CPU like there's no tomorrow. |
| [04:46:06] | hti_pro: | no one line says, |
| [04:46:06] | hti_pro: | VIDEO: [XVID] 640x272 12bpp 25.000 fps 971.8 kbps (118.6 kbyte/s) not sure if that means anything |
| [04:46:20] | hti_pro: | you think the vesa driver would work better |
| [04:46:36] | wagner: | im using an ATI card, but its a 'r128' driver, rather than 'radeon' or 'fglrx' |
| [04:47:22] | hti_pro: | i would try the fglrx driver but I don't know if it supports my card, I think only the radeon driver does |
| [04:47:58] | wagner: | i believe fglrx supports all radeon cards, hence FireGLRadeonX |
| [04:48:29] | hti_pro: | i have a feeling that the options for the radeon driver in my xorg.conf file won't work for the fglrx driver |
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| [04:51:49] | hti_pro: | i couldnt find info on extensions to load for my xorg.conf file so i loaded all that were in the extensions directory, maybe this is the problem. I still can't find info tho so i have no idea which one would hurt performance |
| [04:52:28] | wagner: | typically what X gives you by default are good enough |
| [04:52:49] | wagner: | you may want to flush that config file and rerun 'X -configure' |
| [04:53:45] | hti_pro: | i spent about 4 hours today writing that xorg.conf file!!! I would hate to start over now |
| [04:53:53] | wagner: | to be honest, the only thing i have heard of people adding to that are the Composite extensions for Compiz/Beryl/whatever |
| [04:54:05] | wagner: | 4 hours??? what have you been doing to it |
| [04:54:17] | hti_pro: | reading driver man pages, and xorg.conf man pages |
| [04:54:33] | hti_pro: | and taking care of my two bad a@# children |
| [04:54:54] | wagner: | ive set up triple and quad-headed, and stereoscopic systems in less time |
| [04:55:18] | wagner: | of course they were all on quadro boards which seem perfectly happy with linux |
| [04:56:45] | hti_pro: | I have two seperate cards, an embedded Cyberblade i1 for the CRT and the radeon card for tv, i want the desktop stretched accross the two, so that i have an xterm on the crt and mythtv on the tv |
| [04:57:01] | hti_pro: | right now i just have the radeon active for X |
| [04:57:30] | jpabq: | Right now I really wish my backend was better than a 3.0GHz Pentium4 (Prescott). Takes forever to compile myth. |
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| [04:58:00] | hti_pro: | fglrx not working |
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| [04:58:49] | wagner: | i have no idea what a 'cyberblade il' is |
| [04:59:02] | hti_pro: | it is a trident card |
| [04:59:08] | hti_pro: | nothing to brag about |
| [05:00:30] | wagner: | it may be easier to just run two independent X servers |
| [05:01:20] | hti_pro: | would that be a little cpu intensive for a duron 800 |
| [05:01:44] | wagner: | it may be more memory intensive, but it shouldnt be any more CPU intensive |
| [05:01:59] | wagner: | since youre going to be feeding the same screen space to the same programs regardless |
| [05:02:13] | hti_pro: | i just ran a ps and found two instances of mplayer running my movie |
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| [05:02:35] | wagner: | well that can cause problems |
| [05:02:51] | wagner: | not on decent hardware, but on your hardware it certainly would |
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| [05:03:15] | hti_pro: | the only difference is that one process was preceded by sh -c |
| [05:03:41] | wagner: | well then it wasnt an mplayer process, but rather a bourne shell process |
| [05:04:12] | hti_pro: | here is the command |
| [05:04:12] | hti_pro: | sh -c mplayer -fs "/media/mythtv/video/The Sopranos – Season 2/Sopranos – Season 2/The_Sopranos_S02E13_-_Funhouse.jo44.ShareReactor.avi" |
| [05:04:26] | hti_pro: | and the other was the same only without the sh -c |
| [05:04:30] | hti_pro: | what would cause that |
| [05:04:40] | hti_pro: | an f#$%d up myth install??? |
| [05:04:58] | wagner: | right, thats mythtv running a shell command to run mplayer |
| [05:05:11] | hti_pro: | ok, so thats normal |
| [05:05:15] | wagner: | rather than having to deal with mplayer itself, it just runs it in a shell process |
| [05:05:18] | wagner: | yes, thats normal |
| [05:05:45] | wagner: | its necessary to properly set up the environment for mplayer to run in |
| [05:05:47] | hti_pro: | why would there be one without the sh -c |
| [05:05:58] | wagner: | 'sh -c' is your shell |
| [05:06:04] | wagner: | the other one is actually mplayer |
| [05:06:11] | hti_pro: | oh ok |
| [05:06:38] | hti_pro: | well then it makes sense that it wasnt using any cpu |
| [05:07:01] | wagner: | yes, it was just sitting there idle for mplayer to finish running, and then it too would exit |
| [05:07:44] | wagner: | try running X on just the radeon, and see what your cpu usage is |
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| [05:08:36] | wagner: | and pastebin your xorg.conf |
| [05:09:39] | hti_pro: | give me just a sec, im gonna try the vesa driver and then ill check that |
| [05:11:33] | hti_pro: | ok so i get no video overlay with any of the drivers except radeon |
| [05:11:59] | hti_pro: | let me check on that, and I'll paste in just a sec |
| [05:12:30] | wagner: | no overlay, meaning just a blackish gray screen where the video should have been? |
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| [05:14:19] | hti_pro: | no nothing, just the mythscreen saying that the video is loading, I get sound but no video |
| [05:14:31] | hti_pro: | sorry my jargon may not be precise |
| [05:14:57] | wagner: | well do things from the command line from mplayer, it at least gives you some information about whats going on |
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| [05:15:21] | wagner: | no sense adding unnecessary things onto something that already doesnt work |
| [05:16:29] | hti_pro: | heres the xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/1045730 |
| [05:17:54] | wagner: | turn off aiglx, you dont have the hardware to be wasting on glitter |
| [05:18:45] | hti_pro: | does it default to on, I commented it out thinking that would turn it off but it doesnt |
| [05:18:52] | wagner: | comment out all the radeon device options |
| [05:19:28] | wagner: | you said you are outputting this to your TV? |
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| [05:20:07] | hti_pro: | yep |
| [05:20:12] | hti_pro: | S-video |
| [05:20:27] | wagner: | well then kick that video down to 640x480 or something |
| [05:20:33] | hti_pro: | the only monitor hooked up to that card |
| [05:20:56] | wagner: | the graphics card is resampling to that anyway, you may as well not waste the time rendering a larger server |
| [05:21:07] | wagner: | waste the CPU rather |
| [05:21:14] | hti_pro: | ok |
| [05:22:49] | hti_pro: | now X only comes up on the CRT |
| [05:23:14] | wagner: | uncomment lines 70 and 71 |
| [05:23:22] | wagner: | 'tvstandard' and 'forcetvout' |
| [05:23:34] | hti_pro: | i was one step ahead of u |
| [05:25:16] | hti_pro: | there we go |
| [05:25:18] | wagner: | i doubt theres any reason for you to use xinerama, did that come in the default config? |
| [05:25:30] | hti_pro: | no |
| [05:25:43] | hti_pro: | it was a howto i was following to set up the dual displays |
| [05:26:17] | wagner: | xinerama allows you to move windows from one 'screen' to another |
| [05:26:38] | wagner: | otherwise, windows are stuck on the display they are opened on |
| [05:27:15] | hti_pro: | its wierd that mythtv played the videos better than just mplayer with the same options |
| [05:27:31] | hti_pro: | now i get from mplayer what i got from mythtv before |
| [05:28:08] | wagner: | still the high cpu usage for X? |
| [05:28:37] | wagner: | add the '-vo xv' flag to mplayer and see if it makes any difference |
| [05:29:54] | wagner: | you should get a line like 'VO: [xv] 624x352 => 624x352 Planar YV12' |
| [05:30:33] | hti_pro: | yeah pretty much the same, mplayer using about 12–17% and xorg hogs the rest with the -vo xv option the same |
| [05:30:44] | wagner: | you dont want 'VO: [x11]' |
| [05:31:16] | hti_pro: | yep i got the VO: [xv] |
| [05:31:39] | hti_pro: | now mplayer gives me a message saying my machine is to slow to play this |
| [05:32:27] | hti_pro: | my keyboard is slow to respond in xterm |
| [05:32:33] | hti_pro: | i don't know what that is about |
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| [05:33:18] | hti_pro: | i checked cpu usage while hitting the arrow key left on the cli and xorg shot to 50% cpu |
| [05:33:41] | wagner: | whoops |
| [05:34:12] | wagner: | my file server is running dbus for unknown reasons, so i killed it, and it killed all of my open applications |
| [05:35:47] | hti_pro: | i tried adding -framedrop and -hardframedrop to mplayer command line and still the same |
| [05:35:51] | wagner: | while holding the key? so top is updating very rapidly? |
| [05:36:13] | wagner: | well framedrop and hardframedrop are obviously going to result in jerky playback |
| [05:36:32] | hti_pro: | top updates every 3 secs |
| [05:36:56] | wagner: | so left arrow key to seek in the video |
| [05:37:05] | hti_pro: | i have a laptop with a rage128 card that i have to use framedrop on and that takes care of most things |
| [05:37:21] | hti_pro: | no left arrow to move accross the command line |
| [05:37:36] | hti_pro: | i could understand if i was seeking |
| [05:37:54] | hti_pro: | it is like my keyboard is sluggish in xterm |
| [05:38:08] | wagner: | what proc does your laptop have? |
| [05:38:28] | wagner: | well the xterm will appear sluggish if X is under full load |
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| [05:38:55] | hti_pro: | P III 233MHz |
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| [05:39:39] | hti_pro: | my mistake a P II |
| [05:39:54] | wagner: | a P2 with a rage M3? |
| [05:40:17] | hti_pro: | sounds right |
| [05:40:19] | wagner: | thats a pretty wide difference in age |
| [05:40:47] | hti_pro: | no 3D Rage LT Pro |
| [05:40:51] | hti_pro: | my bad |
| [05:40:54] | wagner: | oh, ok |
| [05:42:16] | hti_pro: | well, it is definitely a problem with the radeon card, I renamed my xorg.conf and restarted gdm and it put X on the CRT and no problems whatsoever |
| [05:42:54] | hti_pro: | works f$%in great, now i just need to convince the wife to replace the TV with a small a$$ monitor |
| [05:43:24] | wagner: | well try what Dagmar said, check out the bargin bin at your nearest computer store |
| [05:43:36] | wagner: | and look for a low end GF5/6 |
| [05:44:07] | wagner: | check your AGP version though |
| [05:44:13] | hti_pro: | i think i might have to, The thing that gets me is i just took it out of another frontend and it worked great |
| [05:44:21] | wagner: | the recent AGP cards required 4x or 8x |
| [05:44:25] | wagner: | 2x wont work |
| [05:44:39] | hti_pro: | i'm pretty sure i only have 2x |
| [05:45:22] | wagner: | you can always grab a scan converter, vga to svideo |
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| [05:45:40] | hti_pro: | i heard they were trouble |
| [05:45:43] | wagner: | and just use the onboard trident card that apparently works fine |
| [05:45:49] | hti_pro: | poor quality |
| [05:46:09] | hti_pro: | that's an option, but i would really like to keep the crt and the tv |
| [05:46:18] | wagner: | i got one for free from my ISP a few years back for beta testing some IPTV service, i never actually got it to work |
| [05:46:40] | wagner: | its the kind of thing that should just plug and go, only it never went |
| [05:46:44] | hti_pro: | i wish my ISP would do stuff like that, but comcast = the devil |
| [05:47:14] | hti_pro: | i seen them used when i was in high school and the quality was just horrible |
| [05:47:39] | wagner: | well compared to a computer monitor, the quality will be horrible |
| [05:47:50] | hti_pro: | true |
| [05:47:50] | wagner: | but it should be decent compared to the video output from a video card |
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| [05:48:14] | hti_pro: | have you ever messed with the gatos drivers |
| [05:49:03] | wagner: | nope |
| [05:49:04] | netpro25: | How long does mythtv keep files for the rewind functionality? |
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| [05:49:35] | wagner: | netpro25: it will keep them until you delete them, or it auto-expires them to free space |
| [05:49:39] | wagner: | which ever comes first |
| [05:49:41] | fryfrog: | netpro25: you mean recording of live tv? |
| [05:49:49] | fryfrog: | bah, to fast! |
| [05:50:10] | fryfrog: | there are a couple settings you can mess with to change that, i think default might be ~1 hour? |
| [05:50:13] | netpro25: | when it auto records the channel for pausing and rewinding |
| [05:50:21] | fryfrog: | and they are also the first to be nuked when it *needs* to nuke something |
| [05:50:46] | netpro25: | so it can tell if the drive is running low on space and will delete them? |
| [05:51:00] | fryfrog: | if you configure myth that way |
| [05:51:05] | fryfrog: | and set it correctly |
| [05:51:16] | netpro25: | through the backend or frontend? |
| [05:51:46] | fryfrog: | i believe the setting is in the frontend, but it might (also?) be in mythtv-setup (but i doubt it) |
| [05:51:56] | fryfrog: | the backend is a daemon, you don't really *do* anything "through" it |
| [05:52:21] | netpro25: | yea... guess i meant the setup |
| [05:52:39] | fryfrog: | mythtv-setup takes care of the really low level stuff, then from there you can do most of it via frontend (though the settings affect the backend) |
| [05:53:12] | wagner: | the default is to maintain 10GB of free space |
| [05:53:18] | fryfrog: | there ya go |
| [05:53:22] | wagner: | it will start deleting the live-tv once you near that |
| [05:53:25] | fryfrog: | i think i bumped mine up to 100 or 200G |
| [05:53:43] | fryfrog: | it will also delete live tv once it expires, which i'm fairly sure defaults to ~1hr |
| [05:54:11] | wagner: | damned dbus, why does everything have to tap into it |
| [05:54:50] | netpro25: | found it in the frontend its set to 1 day, thanks |
| [05:54:58] | fryfrog: | ah, maybe default is 1 day then! |
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| [05:55:54] | netpro25: | wonder if you can just have it delete if you change the channel |
| [05:56:06] | fryfrog: | no, probably just based on time |
| [05:56:12] | fryfrog: | 1hr should be fine |
| [05:56:35] | fryfrog: | there is a recordings view that doesn't show those recordings, i'm pretty sure |
| [05:56:43] | fryfrog: | but then, i haven't watched live tv in months :/ |
| [05:56:49] | netpro25: | lol |
| [05:57:31] | netpro25: | myth is nice... just started messing with it and already addicted, wanting to build a mythbox now |
| [05:58:54] | fryfrog: | i like it :) |
| [05:58:56] | hti_pro: | there is an option whether to show livetv recordings in the recordings menu |
| [05:59:03] | fryfrog: | the 1000s of settings pages get annoying :/ |
| [05:59:08] | hti_pro: | not sure where |
| [05:59:13] | netpro25: | fryfrog: heh yea |
| [05:59:31] | netpro25: | tons of settings can be confusing, but also nice |
| [05:59:55] | hti_pro: | where can i find out what video drivers are available on my system |
| [06:00:05] | fryfrog: | i'm not afraid of tons of settings, but *finding* one is a pain in the ass |
| [06:00:17] | fryfrog: | not that i can see any solution, since it needs to be do-able via remote |
| [06:00:25] | hti_pro: | that would have to be my one complaint about myth |
| [06:00:26] | fryfrog: | hti_pro: try uh |
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| [06:00:40] | hti_pro: | ?? |
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| [06:01:14] | fryfrog: | hti_pro: i'd just do "slocate fglrx" or "slocate radeon" and then see what other files are in the same dir |
| [06:01:25] | fryfrog: | what distro? |
| [06:02:10] | hti_pro: | mythbuntu |
| [06:02:44] | fryfrog: | you can always use aptitude to find drivers |
| [06:03:15] | hti_pro: | gatos doesn't seem to be available through apt |
| [06:04:00] | hti_pro: | i think i fixed it, i commented out all of the Load directives |
| [06:04:20] | hti_pro: | no i was wrong |
| [06:04:36] | hti_pro: | still same shaky screen when it skips, but much less cpu usage |
| [06:05:00] | hti_pro: | wait what is jockey-gtk |
| [06:05:15] | hti_pro: | its using 27%cpu |
| [06:06:07] | hti_pro: | now its gone and cpu usage is the same |
| [06:07:48] | fryfrog: | you should probably try fglrx instead of radeon |
| [06:08:03] | hti_pro: | fglrx doesnt work |
| [06:08:08] | hti_pro: | x wont start |
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| [06:09:10] | fryfrog: | oh :( |
| [06:09:30] | fryfrog: | maybe you could go find a p3 or p4 in the trash? :0 |
| [06:10:24] | hti_pro: | i have an nvideo GEForce FX 5500 but i really wanted it in a different computer for gaming |
| [06:10:35] | hti_pro: | i may just have to put it back in |
| [06:10:36] | wagner: | my univ has a 'trash day' every thursday |
| [06:10:55] | wagner: | between noon and two, theres a warehouse they have open on thursdays |
| [06:11:03] | fryfrog: | hti_pro: it would be worth trying just to eliminate as the problem |
| [06:11:05] | hti_pro: | my university will arrest you if you try to take any old equipment |
| [06:11:08] | wagner: | where they sell off all their old shit, including computers |
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| [06:11:33] | hti_pro: | all of the computers from our schools go to the state to be redistributed |
| [06:11:37] | fryfrog: | hti_pro: even stuff they put in the trash? |
| [06:11:39] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [06:11:46] | fryfrog: | well, that *would* be stealing :) |
| [06:11:58] | hti_pro: | you can take it out of the trash, but they will arrest you if they find out |
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| [06:12:15] | fryfrog: | wait, they put it in the *TRASH* and then they expect some sort of... repricusion? |
| [06:12:17] | hti_pro: | arrest not worth good video |
| [06:12:20] | fryfrog: | that... doesn't sound legal |
| [06:12:22] | wagner: | once it hits the curb, isnt it public property? |
| [06:12:25] | fryfrog: | yeah |
| [06:12:32] | wagner: | or dumpster rather |
| [06:12:37] | hti_pro: | they're trash containers aren't on the curb |
| [06:12:40] | fryfrog: | in L&O i see them get dna from trash all the time! |
| [06:12:43] | hti_pro: | its all on private property |
| [06:12:56] | fryfrog: | ah, so they hit you with... trespassing? |
| [06:13:01] | hti_pro: | probably |
| [06:13:11] | fryfrog: | unless it is something you have to walk on normally, like school grounds |
| [06:13:13] | wagner: | anyway, i wouldnt trust an FX5500 to gaming |
| [06:13:20] | fryfrog: | course, ianal |
| [06:13:37] | hti_pro: | its gotta be better than this radeon 7500 |
| [06:13:54] | hti_pro: | i have little money to work with, so i gotta make due with what i have |
| [06:13:57] | fryfrog: | but 7500 > 5500! :p |
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| [06:14:08] | wagner: | fair enough |
| [06:14:08] | hti_pro: | thats what i thought |
| [06:14:16] | fryfrog: | stupid video card names |
| [06:14:27] | fryfrog: | i hate that nvidia's 8800GT is > than 9600GT |
| [06:14:33] | hti_pro: | radeon 7500 = 85%cpu nvidia 5500 = 35–45% |
| [06:14:51] | fryfrog: | you already swapped em? |
| [06:14:57] | wagner: | hti_pro: thats just because the nvidia is actually running video acceleration |
| [06:15:04] | hti_pro: | no, this from previous experience |
| [06:15:09] | wagner: | which for some reason is not working on the radeon |
| [06:15:11] | fryfrog: | ah |
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| [06:16:14] | hti_pro: | nvidia has proprietary drivers for linux too |
| [06:16:29] | hti_pro: | ati doesn't have for my card, only newer cards |
| [06:16:41] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [06:16:50] | fryfrog: | man, it is sure nice of nvidia to support back to riva days |
| [06:17:00] | wagner: | i was under the impression that the fglrx drivers worked on all radeon cards |
| [06:17:04] | hti_pro: | i think from radeon 8500 and up |
| [06:17:08] | wagner: | although yours is an AIW, which may be different |
| [06:17:13] | fryfrog: | i think he is right, it has a cut off date ? |
| [06:17:29] | fryfrog: | though i think nvidia's newest drivers also have a cut off date |
| [06:17:36] | wagner: | fryfrog: i dont think nvidia supports back past the FX series |
| [06:17:48] | hti_pro: | i'm thinking the gatos drivers may be the way to go, but i have to compile myself |
| [06:18:06] | wagner: | the windows drivers work for any geforce card, but the linux drivers cut off far sooner |
| [06:18:12] | fryfrog: | wagner: i think they have 2 drivers, one that goes back to riva... but one that does have a cutoff |
| [06:18:21] | wagner: | you have to use the 'legacy' drivers for older geforces |
| [06:18:28] | fryfrog: | yeah, thats it |
| [06:18:36] | fryfrog: | i use the legacy ones on my Ti4200 |
| [06:19:00] | hti_pro: | i have about 5 other vid cards i could try, but none with tv out |
| [06:19:14] | fryfrog: | what do you need, svideo out? |
| [06:19:40] | hti_pro: | i could use svideo or composite |
| [06:19:43] | wagner: | ive got some spare cards i dont mind giving up, but theyre all a downgrade from your 7500 |
| [06:20:07] | fryfrog: | i got some spares too, but i can't recall what they are |
| [06:20:10] | hti_pro: | not sure that would help, unfortunately |
| [06:20:12] | fryfrog: | i think one is a radeon 9600XT |
| [06:20:21] | fryfrog: | and one a... nvidia 5200FX maybe? |
| [06:20:38] | fryfrog: | both have dead cooling fans though and i'm not sure if the cards are toast |
| [06:20:38] | wagner: | my sister has my old 9800pro, and a friend currently has her old 9600xt |
| [06:20:59] | wagner: | im stuck on an even older MX440 as my pcie board is getting RMAd |
| [06:21:01] | hti_pro: | the cards i have don't even have cooling fans, except the 5500 |
| [06:21:08] | fryfrog: | wow, mx4400! |
| [06:21:13] | fryfrog: | that was my first "gaming" card :) |
| [06:21:21] | wagner: | same here |
| [06:21:33] | wagner: | well my first gaming card was the r128 in my laptop |
| [06:21:35] | fryfrog: | that was what, a re-badged and crippled gf3 i think? |
| [06:21:42] | hti_pro: | i was never really into gaming until recently |
| [06:21:55] | wagner: | but that was the first worthwhile card in a free desktop i called 'shitbox' |
| [06:21:55] | hti_pro: | only experience is on this radeon 7500 |
| [06:22:01] | fryfrog: | i'm waiting for my new systems from newegg :) |
| [06:22:12] | fryfrog: | 8800GT and C2D E8400 |
| [06:22:18] | fryfrog: | or is it E8200? |
| [06:22:20] | fryfrog: | i forget |
| [06:22:23] | hti_pro: | that radeon 7500 played counterstrike pretty well with the radeon driver |
| [06:22:37] | wagner: | the mx440 was a rebadged gf2, which a significantly higher clock |
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| [06:23:02] | fryfrog: | currently using 6600GT |
| [06:23:02] | wagner: | that r128 played halflife and tfc great |
| [06:23:17] | wagner: | but its not capable of Source games |
| [06:23:45] | wagner: | ive got a 6800gs and a 6600gt sitting lifeless on my desk for the return of my motherboard |
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| [06:24:05] | wagner: | along with a half dozen other parts and a gutted case |
| [06:24:44] | hti_pro: | i have only one other option and I am gonna try it, although im sure it will be worse. I have a AIW radeon 7200 AGP card. |
| [06:24:48] | fryfrog: | both in one system? |
| [06:24:59] | hti_pro: | no |
| [06:25:06] | wagner: | yes |
| [06:25:07] | fryfrog: | i meant wagner :) |
| [06:25:07] | hti_pro: | i'm gonna swap them now |
| [06:25:11] | hti_pro: | oh ok |
| [06:25:19] | fryfrog: | wagner: do you SLI them or just have like 4 monitors? |
| [06:25:26] | wagner: | 3 monitors |
| [06:25:29] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [06:25:45] | wagner: | you cant do SLI with heterogeneous cards |
| [06:25:53] | fryfrog: | we just upgraded from 19" CRT -> 22" WS LCD, tis nice |
| [06:25:54] | wagner: | of course you cant do SLI on an intel chipset either |
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| [06:26:12] | fryfrog: | i think with the newer nvidia cards you can |
| [06:26:23] | fryfrog: | like a pair of 9800s doing video and a 9600 doing physics |
| [06:26:25] | fryfrog: | or some shit |
| [06:26:32] | fryfrog: | or maybe it doesn't really exist yet :) |
| [06:26:37] | wagner: | ah, that might work |
| [06:26:54] | wagner: | the only way that i know of to do that currently is with their 'hybrid' boards |
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| [06:27:12] | wagner: | where you do SLI between the onboard chipset and the discrete card |
| [06:27:14] | fryfrog: | yeah, i think i remember reading a press release... but i've never heard of it being in the wild |
| [06:27:21] | fryfrog: | yeah, i read about that |
| [06:27:30] | wagner: | a 9600 seems a bit overkill for physics |
| [06:27:32] | fryfrog: | also i think it'll do onboard for 2d then switch to off for 3d |
| [06:27:36] | directhex: | SLI is possible with nvidia on linux, the ATI equivalent is not |
| [06:27:46] | fryfrog: | cheaper than one of those physics boards from whats their name |
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| [06:28:01] | directhex: | but there's no SLI using an onboard as one of the cards, and the physx stuff isn't in linux (yet?) |
| [06:28:04] | wagner: | well nvidia bought physX |
| [06:28:15] | wagner: | and incorporated it into any GF8 or better |
| [06:28:17] | fryfrog: | well, back before that happened then :) |
| [06:28:38] | fryfrog: | i just realized i seem to skip an nvidia generation |
| [06:28:49] | fryfrog: | gf4 -> gf6 and now to gf8ish |
| [06:29:03] | fryfrog: | almost 9 though, really :/ |
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| [06:29:20] | wagner: | theres no real difference between the 8 series and the 9 series at the moment |
| [06:29:20] | fryfrog: | what 3 monitors do you run? |
| [06:29:24] | hti_pro: | have you guys tried CS: Source on linux |
| [06:29:28] | fryfrog: | wagner: that is what i meant :) |
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| [06:29:41] | directhex: | wagner, wait for gt200 |
| [06:29:50] | directhex: | hti_pro, not recently |
| [06:29:54] | wagner: | shitty ass 17" LCD, nice but old 17" sony, 20" samsung |
| [06:30:00] | wagner: | all LCDs |
| [06:30:04] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [06:30:06] | fryfrog: | FS? |
| [06:30:07] | hti_pro: | i tried no luck |
| [06:30:30] | wagner: | FS? flight sim? no |
| [06:30:34] | wagner: | i just dont like to close windows |
| [06:30:35] | fryfrog: | Full Screen |
| [06:30:43] | fryfrog: | 4:3 vs. 19:10 |
| [06:30:47] | wagner: | oh, full screen, 4:3, yes |
| [06:30:50] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [06:31:14] | fryfrog: | i wouldn't mind a set of 19" to pair with my 22" WS, they should be about the same height |
| [06:31:26] | fryfrog: | i have a 30" here at work though, going home is... sad :) |
| [06:31:38] | hti_pro: | my house would be like a museum to you guys |
| [06:31:40] | hti_pro: | :) |
| [06:31:45] | directhex: | wifey has a new 24" widescreen |
| [06:31:53] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [06:31:53] | wagner: | fryfrog: i think the 17s are a closer fit |
| [06:32:11] | wagner: | the 19s just have too low pixel density to be used with any other monitors |
| [06:32:17] | fryfrog: | nah, screen size wise a 22" WS is almost exactly the same height as a 19" FS |
| [06:32:29] | fryfrog: | oh, you mean yours? |
| [06:32:37] | fryfrog: | humm, i forgot about that |
| [06:32:43] | wagner: | well pixelwise, a 17" and a 19" are identical |
| [06:32:56] | hti_pro: | a friend of mine used to use a 32"(or somwhere around there) wide screen |
| [06:32:58] | fryfrog: | you sure, even *now-a-days*? |
| [06:33:13] | wagner: | theyre both 1280x1024 |
| [06:33:25] | wagner: | unless you get a 19" WS |
| [06:33:26] | Pasteurized: | morning all |
| [06:33:38] | fryfrog: | it was between 24" and 22", but since I have to get 2 (one for me, one for wife), the huge price difference settled it |
| [06:33:59] | directhex: | wagner is right, of course |
| [06:34:30] | fryfrog: | i didn't realize that, are you *sure* they don't have any higher rez 19"? |
| [06:34:32] | wagner: | i believe the 17", 20" and 22" WS all have about the same pixel density |
| [06:34:43] | directhex: | fryfrog, in 5:4? certain |
| [06:35:06] | fryfrog: | why do they do that? |
| [06:35:08] | directhex: | wagner, 20 and 22 are usually 1680x1050, with some bargain basement screens as 1400x900 or so |
| [06:35:24] | directhex: | 17" widescreen is too new for me, so not sure |
| [06:35:25] | fryfrog: | the 22 we have is 1050, like you said |
| [06:35:40] | directhex: | 24 and 27" are 1920x1200 |
| [06:35:59] | Pasteurized: | my 22" is 1680x1050 |
| [06:36:14] | Pasteurized: | (Samsung B26BW) |
| [06:36:28] | wagner: | well my 17"s and 20" are ~0.26 mm/px, the 19"s are around 0.29 |
| [06:36:35] | fryfrog: | i was worried i wouldn't like gaming on an lcd |
| [06:36:35] | Pasteurized: | 226BW sorry |
| [06:36:43] | wagner: | i believe the 22"WS is closer to .26/.27 |
| [06:36:47] | fryfrog: | but so far, i can't tell a diff |
| [06:36:55] | wagner: | thats why i said the 17" would match closer |
| [06:37:02] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [06:37:17] | wagner: | of course since 1050 is awkward, nothing would match exactly |
| [06:37:22] | fryfrog: | true |
| [06:37:33] | fryfrog: | maybe i should just get another 22" :) |
| [06:37:40] | wagner: | so is 1400x900 |
| [06:37:54] | wagner: | you could do 1280x800, and a pair of 800x600 |
| [06:38:22] | wagner: | but can you even get SVGA LCDs? |
| [06:38:52] | fryfrog: | i don't think i'd want a WS with only 800 vert |
| [06:39:04] | wagner: | thats a common res on laptops |
| [06:39:16] | fryfrog: | sure, fine for a laptop :p |
| [06:39:53] | fryfrog: | i think our tiny little laptop is that |
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| [06:41:24] | wagner: | hti_pro: if you think your house is a museum, you should see my dept admin's office at school |
| [06:41:43] | wagner: | he has a small pathway to get back to his desk |
| [06:41:49] | wagner: | lined with old computer parts |
| [06:42:24] | wagner: | we have a cluster on campus in a former janitors closet, with racks upon racks of old computer parts |
| [06:42:47] | wagner: | we have a new cluster off campus ~3yr old, but for some reason we have some 15yr old graphics cards up there |
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| [06:49:43] | hti_pro: | no matter what i do, i can't keep it loaded |
| [06:49:46] | hti_pro: | down |
| [06:50:27] | hti_pro: | but its so bulky and old i can't use it to do anything too new |
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| [06:50:50] | hti_pro: | tried to buy a firewire/usb card, and found out it only supports 5.0v pci |
| [06:51:00] | hti_pro: | most new cards are 3.3v |
| [06:51:15] | wagner: | heh |
| [06:51:26] | wagner: | yeah, thats typically not something you think of |
| [06:51:42] | hti_pro: | no one advertises the pci voltages |
| [06:51:49] | hti_pro: | so its hit or miss |
| [06:52:08] | wagner: | well i have to say power consumption dropped significantly after replacing the dual P3 1Ghz with a P3 800MHz |
| [06:52:25] | hti_pro: | i would imagine |
| [06:52:57] | hti_pro: | well i have to get off of here, kids will be up in 5 hrs. |
| [06:53:05] | wagner: | yeah, i need to sleep as well |
| [06:53:21] | hti_pro: | im sure ill see you around on here |
| [06:53:26] | hti_pro: | thanks for the help |
| [06:53:41] | wagner: | too bad its still not working |
| [06:53:54] | wagner: | ive just not had much luck with ATI in general on linux |
| [06:53:57] | hti_pro: | im use to it |
| [06:54:10] | wagner: | our admin used to keep buying them for linux workstations |
| [06:54:14] | hti_pro: | i haven't had good luck with ati on windows, at least these aiw cards really blow |
| [06:54:28] | wagner: | so we have all these 3D workstations running MESA |
| [06:54:37] | hti_pro: | what is MESA |
| [06:54:45] | wagner: | software emulated opengl |
| [06:55:15] | hti_pro: | oh, would that help me or probably just more cpu load |
| [06:55:22] | hti_pro: | or my card probably too old |
| [06:55:32] | wagner: | theyve nearly all been replaced by GF7600s and quadros |
| [06:55:41] | wagner: | well opengl output in mythtv is buggy as it is |
| [06:56:02] | wagner: | it would be better to run base x11 than to run opengl through mesa |
| [06:56:09] | hti_pro: | oh |
| [06:56:58] | hti_pro: | i must have something wrong with X cuz it worked alot better in my celeron 2GHz and i don't remember the cpu load issue |
| [06:57:09] | wagner: | same card? |
| [06:57:11] | hti_pro: | but maybe it just handled it better and i didn't think about it |
| [06:57:13] | hti_pro: | yep |
| [06:57:21] | wagner: | probably just because you had more CPU available |
| [06:57:28] | hti_pro: | more cpu and ram would make a diff |
| [06:57:31] | wagner: | the cpu could actually handle it on its own |
| [06:57:37] | hti_pro: | right |
| [06:58:11] | hti_pro: | everyone i talk to though says that 85% cpu is more than any X driver should take up |
| [06:58:35] | wagner: | unless youre running a 3d app in mesa, it absolutely is |
| [06:58:58] | hti_pro: | maybe ill look through the driver docs tomorrow and find something |
| [06:59:32] | hti_pro: | i'm passin out at the keyboard now though, hell if nothing else i'll go back to the nvidia card and counter strike will have to suffer |
| [07:00:02] | hti_pro: | alright man, i gotta go |
| [07:00:06] | hti_pro: | have a good one |
| [07:00:14] | wagner: | night |
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| [07:09:01] | sutula: | Is there a known problem with firmware on the PVR-350? I'm seeing: |
| [07:09:06] | sutula: | ivtv0: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (376836 bytes) |
| [07:09:06] | sutula: | ivtv0: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw firmware (262144 bytes) |
| [07:09:06] | sutula: | ivtv0: Decoder firmware dead! |
| [07:09:42] | sutula: | I see a post or two on Ubuntu forums, but no answer to the problem |
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| [12:05:53] | propagandhi: | anyone using hauppage hvr-1700 |
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| [13:12:58] | propagandhi: | eit |
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| [13:52:54] | Tominator: | hi! I've got one question: is it possible to stream analog tv-signal trough 54mbit wlan from a mythtv-backend to a frontend? |
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| [13:57:09] | Lynet: | Tominator: Considering that an analog signal is analog it would be kinda hard to transmit it over a digital connection. ;-p |
| [13:57:45] | Tominator: | okay... welll is there a way to get mythtv to encode the signal from the analog tvtuner? |
| [13:58:59] | Lynet: | Tominator: Streaming might work or might not work, depending on bitrate of the video and signal strength/quality of the wifi network. |
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| [14:07:16] | directhex: | mythtv ALWAYS records what it sees. the question is whether you can stream that file over your wireless. in most cases, not without skipping due to throughput issues with wireless |
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| [15:23:14] | dustybin: | i gave me backend some more HD space |
| [15:23:16] | dustybin: | 19 programmes, using 34 GB (15 hrs 35 mins) out of 372 GB (338 GB free). |
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| [15:27:04] | wagner: | Torminator: i have had no problem streaming output from my PVR-150s over wireless |
| [15:27:25] | wagner: | however i am only ever streaming one file, with negligible other network traffic |
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| [15:27:51] | wagner: | and i have my wireless network on a separate channel from other neighboring networks |
| [15:28:14] | wagner: | remember only channels 1, 6, and 11 can be used at full bandwidth without frequency overlap |
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| [15:28:43] | keith4: | i wouldn't try it over B, but it works fine over G |
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| [15:28:49] | keith4: | and should certainly work over N |
| [15:29:35] | wagner: | B would be at its absolute limits on a 5Mbit signal |
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| [15:30:03] | wagner: | G could probably do three of those streams without trouble, IF there are no other competing wireless signals |
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| [15:35:15] | wagner: | sounds like youre having some troube there |
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| [15:37:01] | sutula: | From last night, in case anyone has pointers or ideas: |
| [15:37:11] | sutula: | Is there a known problem with firmware on the PVR-350? I'm seeing: |
| [15:37:16] | sutula: | ivtv0: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (376836 bytes) |
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| [15:37:22] | sutula: | ivtv0: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw firmware (262144 bytes) |
| [15:37:27] | sutula: | ivtv0: Decoder firmware dead! |
| [15:37:35] | sutula: | I see a post or two on Ubuntu forums, but no answer to the problem |
| [15:37:51] | wagner: | hah! well i have no idea what that means but it couldnt be good |
| [15:39:02] | sutula: | It could be hardware, of course, but since the PVR-350 is only "supported" on Windoze, it may be hard for me to determine :( |
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| [15:41:47] | wagner: | well looking through the code, it seems to ping the firmware on the card, and if it received no response, it prints that 'firmware dead' line |
| [15:42:58] | sutula: | I suppose I could have a botched firmware file, but I think there's only one version floating around, in a tar.gz file |
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| [16:22:37] | hti_pro: | i am trying to add a parameter to the mythfrontend command line in mythbuntu, anyone know where i should look |
| [16:23:00] | hti_pro: | btw before you suggest ubuntu-mythtv i tried an it seems that everyone is sleeping |
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| [16:31:31] | hti_pro: | anyone know how to use the -geometry flag |
| [16:31:58] | iamlindoro__: | geometry takes a resolution as an argument IIRc |
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| [16:32:45] | GreyFoxx: | resolution and x/y offsets from the upper left corner |
| [16:33:16] | iamlindoro__: | ie mythfrontend -geometry 640x480+100+200 |
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| [16:33:59] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [16:34:02] | hti_pro: | ok thats exactly what i needed to know |
| [16:34:24] | GreyFoxx: | greg@blurb:~$ mythfrontend --help |
| [16:34:24] | GreyFoxx: | Valid options are: |
| [16:34:24] | GreyFoxx: | -display X-server Create GUI on X-server, not localhost |
| [16:34:24] | GreyFoxx: | -geometry or --geometry WxH Override window size settings |
| [16:34:24] | GreyFoxx: | -geometry WxH+X+Y Override window size and position |
| [16:34:28] | GreyFoxx: | --help is your friend :) |
| [16:35:13] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, but IRC is like a *living* --help! |
| [16:35:16] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [16:35:18] | hti_pro: | ok, I thought this was something that wasn't specific to myth |
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| [16:35:34] | GreyFoxx: | always check --help or -h |
| [16:35:34] | hti_pro: | i didn't think myth help would have that info, but thank you |
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| [16:36:21] | hti_pro: | i must say I would rather talk to live people than try --help, I know I'm terrible |
| [16:36:34] | iamlindoro__: | That kind of thinking will get lots of people irritated at you |
| [16:36:50] | iamlindoro__: | Troubling others should be a *last* resort, not a first one |
| [16:37:00] | hti_pro: | I know, I try to figure it out by myself as much as possible |
| [16:37:00] | iamlindoro__: | But that's neither here nor there now, I suppose |
| [16:38:46] | hti_pro: | if its any consolation I enjoy helping people on irc also!!! :) |
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| [16:42:58] | hti_pro: | this isn't in the --help, the offset i assume starts from the top left corner?? |
| [16:43:25] | iamlindoro__: | "<GreyFoxx> resolution and x/y offsets from the upper left corner" |
| [16:43:37] | hti_pro: | ok |
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| [16:49:46] | hti_pro: | do you guys think that having two seperate video cards would cause problems with video playback |
| [16:50:12] | EvilGuru: | hti_pro: I think it depends how you plan on setting them up |
| [16:50:24] | EvilGuru: | (e.g. separate X screens, xinerama) |
| [16:50:27] | hti_pro: | I set up a crt and a tv on an nvidia card with twinview and it wouldn't display right on the tv until i disabled the onboard card |
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| [16:51:04] | hti_pro: | i had an ati radeon 7500 aiw card in last night and it seemed to work with crt hooked to onboard and tv hooked to radeon, but playback stuttered about every 5–10 seconds |
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| [17:17:16] | SHADOW_XX: | hello everyone |
| [17:18:00] | SHADOW_XX: | i am having a minor issue with mythtv not working with schedules direct |
| [17:20:19] | SHADOW_XX: | i do not get any schedules |
| [17:20:26] | SHADOW_XX: | or tv names |
| [17:20:42] | SHADOW_XX: | or anything that would give me the notion its working with sd |
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| [17:21:01] | JohnMahowald: | Can you login to SD and see your lineups? |
| [17:21:07] | SHADOW_XX: | yes |
| [17:21:19] | JohnMahowald: | Did you give that login to mythtv? |
| [17:21:24] | SHADOW_XX: | yes |
| [17:21:34] | SHADOW_XX: | and it runs mythfilldatabase afterwards |
| [17:22:02] | SHADOW_XX: | and it seems to run fine and i know its accessing my account because it tells me when my account expires |
| [17:22:56] | JohnMahowald: | But you have no listings data at all? |
| [17:23:04] | SHADOW_XX: | nope |
| [17:23:21] | iamlindoro__: | And you bonded the listings source to an input on your properly-set-up capture card? |
| [17:23:37] | SHADOW_XX: | what do you mean |
| [17:23:39] | directhex: | it's an iamlindoro__! |
| [17:23:44] | ** directhex dances ** | |
| [17:23:52] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Whassappening? :) |
| [17:24:00] | SHADOW_XX: | my capture card is set up |
| [17:24:09] | directhex: | not much. tidying the house before a housewarming |
| [17:24:18] | SHADOW_XX: | but how do i make sure its bonded to the input |
| [17:24:24] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, You create the listings source in mythtv-setup, then in the next step you attach it to your cards input |
| [17:24:33] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, nice, congrats on the move BTW |
| [17:25:22] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, you won't get any listings at all until it's bonded to the card itself (all done in mythtv-setup). Each step in mythtv-setup should be completed before you can expect to get listings |
| [17:25:29] | iamlindoro__: | They're numbered for a good reason :) |
| [17:25:43] | SHADOW_XX: | :) |
| [17:25:45] | SHADOW_XX: | akes sense |
| [17:25:48] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, mythui needs a way to prevent things being selected unless conditions are met! |
| [17:26:06] | SHADOW_XX: | but it seems like its setup right to me |
| [17:26:16] | SHADOW_XX: | in caputre card my card is there |
| [17:26:20] | directhex: | i.e. do the sanity checking at the end of each setup stage, and only open the next stage when the previous one is done |
| [17:26:20] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, What capture card are you using, and what input on it? |
| [17:26:25] | SHADOW_XX: | in video sources its there |
| [17:26:44] | SHADOW_XX: | pinnacle pctv hd |
| [17:26:58] | iamlindoro__: | you should see something like DVB:0 -> Whateveryoucalledyourlistings |
| [17:27:05] | SHADOW_XX: | ithere are 2 |
| [17:27:10] | SHADOW_XX: | v4l analog |
| [17:27:13] | SHADOW_XX: | and dvd0 |
| [17:27:14] | iamlindoro__: | If it says DVB:0 -> None then you blew it |
| [17:27:48] | SHADOW_XX: | under v4l the analog side of the tuner its pointig to schedules direct |
| [17:27:52] | SHADOW_XX: | and same for dvd 0 |
| [17:27:57] | iamlindoro__: | DV BEEEEEEE |
| [17:28:02] | SHADOW_XX: | yeah |
| [17:28:04] | SHADOW_XX: | dvb |
| [17:28:05] | SHADOW_XX: | sorry |
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| [17:28:18] | JohnMahowald: | LOL bee in your bonnet? :) |
| [17:28:21] | iamlindoro__: | and have you channed for channels with both sides? |
| [17:28:30] | iamlindoro__: | scanned |
| [17:28:55] | SHADOW_XX: | for now i was more worried about getting it working so i only have v4l scannen |
| [17:29:05] | SHADOW_XX: | should i get dvb to point somewhere else for now |
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| [17:29:22] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, You need to correctly scan to create channels for SD to associate with |
| [17:29:47] | iamlindoro__: | v4l is a dead horse, analog on Digital cards doesn't work as often as it does work-- DVB is what you should really care about |
| [17:29:56] | SHADOW_XX: | ok |
| [17:30:02] | SHADOW_XX: | ill scan on dvd then |
| [17:30:06] | SHADOW_XX: | dvb**** |
| [17:30:08] | iamlindoro__: | BEE goddamit |
| [17:30:45] | iamlindoro__: | Make sure you set your frequency table and modulation right |
| [17:30:58] | SHADOW_XX: | yeah |
| [17:31:03] | iamlindoro__: | Assuming the US of A, that's us-cable and QAM 256 |
| [17:31:03] | SHADOW_XX: | i know i use quam 256 |
| [17:31:18] | iamlindoro__: | or if it's OTA then use broadcast and 8VSB |
| [17:31:37] | iamlindoro__: | And then wait a very long time as it scans |
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| [17:32:24] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm |
| [17:32:31] | SHADOW_XX: | but see here the think |
| [17:33:05] | SHADOW_XX: | when i do cable and qam 256 i dont get all the other channels that i would using v4l |
| [17:33:27] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, that's right, because you are only scanning the unencrypted digital channels |
| [17:33:27] | SHADOW_XX: | because on the v4l side i have all the channels already |
| [17:33:32] | SHADOW_XX: | yes |
| [17:33:47] | SHADOW_XX: | when i use Sched dir |
| [17:33:52] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, if you want analog channels then you have the absolute wrong card |
| [17:33:53] | SHADOW_XX: | will it fill it all the names |
| [17:34:06] | SHADOW_XX: | i want digital channels |
| [17:34:14] | SHADOW_XX: | lol thats why i got this one |
| [17:34:19] | iamlindoro__: | then you shouldn't be using v4l |
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| [17:34:32] | SHADOW_XX: | i was going to get a hapauge 1800 but the drivers arent good yet |
| [17:34:32] | iamlindoro__: | v4l = analog. DVB = digital |
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| [17:34:40] | SHADOW_XX: | this card does both |
| [17:34:49] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, you are misinformed, the 1800's drivers have gone mainline, and have been there for several months |
| [17:34:57] | SHADOW_XX: | ah really |
| [17:34:58] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm |
| [17:34:59] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, Your card is called a "hybrid" card. |
| [17:35:10] | iamlindoro__: | meaning the digital is fine, and the analog is a piece of shit framegrabber |
| [17:35:13] | SHADOW_XX: | then going to be purchasing a 1800 soon |
| [17:35:34] | SHADOW_XX: | oh so then just worry about digital on my pinnacle pctv hd card? |
| [17:36:11] | iamlindoro__: | You can *try* the v4l side, but it will suck, badly. |
| [17:36:34] | SHADOW_XX: | alright thats fine i care more about the digital side of things anyway |
| [17:36:47] | SHADOW_XX: | i care about that and getting my schedule info right |
| [17:36:50] | iamlindoro__: | then you should be concerning yourself with the DVB interface |
| [17:36:59] | SHADOW_XX: | alright its scanning right now |
| [17:37:08] | SHADOW_XX: | and has been for mosto f our conversation |
| [17:37:17] | iamlindoro__: | and let the scan go all the way through, what you think of as, for example, channel 2, is likely on actual channel 102 or whatever (as an example) |
| [17:37:42] | SHADOW_XX: | yeah i had this card working already on the windows side |
| [17:38:10] | SHADOW_XX: | wanted mythtv since i have heard about it just havnt gotten arround to it have been busy |
| [17:38:37] | SHADOW_XX: | so as i can tell its adding the approriate qam channels now |
| [17:39:45] | Lt_Dan: | shadow_xx's pctv hd needs food.... BADLY |
| [17:40:02] | SHADOW_XX: | lol wha |
| [17:40:22] | Lt_Dan: | iamlindoro remark about v4l reminded me of that old gauntlet saying |
| [17:40:24] | SHADOW_XX: | well i do want to abuse the shit out of hd |
| [17:40:35] | Lt_Dan: | i sux0rd at that game so i heard that phrase a lot |
| [17:40:50] | SHADOW_XX: | ah |
| [17:40:57] | iamlindoro__: | Elf needs food, ah the old days |
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| [17:41:03] | SHADOW_XX: | lol |
| [17:41:13] | Lt_Dan: | i was the wizard..... :) |
| [17:41:22] | SHADOW_XX: | ah i never played |
| [17:43:26] | SHADOW_XX: | ok its done scaning |
| [17:43:38] | SHADOW_XX: | do i hit fetch channels from listings source |
| [17:43:40] | SHADOW_XX: | or what do i do |
| [17:43:48] | iamlindoro__: | No. That is for analog tuners. |
| [17:44:05] | iamlindoro__: | leave mythtv-setup, run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all |
| [17:44:13] | SHADOW_XX: | alright so what do i do so the channels or bonded |
| [17:44:14] | SHADOW_XX: | ok |
| [17:44:18] | iamlindoro__: | when it's done, go in and attempt to watch liv tv |
| [17:44:30] | iamlindoro__: | live |
| [17:45:09] | SHADOW_XX: | alright well i ran the command and it says its getting the listing data |
| [17:46:09] | iamlindoro__: | Keep in mind, especially with QAM, that some channels may get associated and others may need to be associated manually, so you should go to live TV and see if *any* of the channels have program info |
| [17:46:19] | SHADOW_XX: | yeah |
| [17:46:31] | SHADOW_XX: | i know qam can shift all over the place |
| [17:46:40] | SHADOW_XX: | i would be happy if i see ANY info |
| [17:52:14] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm |
| [17:52:58] | SHADOW_XX: | sd over v4l worked but when i tried to tune to 2.1 which is cbs hd it stoped workign and put it in the myth main menu |
| [17:54:04] | iamlindoro__: | Probably because it thinks the card is already open (which it is). Hybrid cards are supposed to be set up differently AFAIK |
| [17:54:27] | iamlindoro__: | You need to look at your backend logs, all of this is just guessing |
| [17:54:45] | SHADOW_XX: | ok so i deleted both capturecards in myth |
| [17:54:48] | SHADOW_XX: | and starting over |
| [17:54:54] | iamlindoro__: | ok, *only* do the digital side |
| [17:54:59] | iamlindoro__: | do not create the v4l side |
| [17:55:00] | SHADOW_XX: | yeah |
| [17:55:06] | SHADOW_XX: | thats what i am going to do |
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| [17:57:53] | SHADOW_XX: | what kind of mythbox do you have |
| [17:58:09] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, That's a wide open question, what specifically would you like to know? |
| [17:58:26] | SHADOW_XX: | lol cpu and tuner mostly and ram |
| [17:59:23] | iamlindoro__: | I have several. One box is a Q6600 Core 2 Quad w/ 4 GB RAM, one is an E4500 C2D w/ 4 GB RAM. I have used many tuner cards, but currently on the systems are a pcHDTV 5500, a Kworld 115, two firewire tuners, and a Hauppauge HD-PVR. |
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| [17:59:49] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm nice |
| [18:00:42] | SHADOW_XX: | i am guessing the q6600 is the main backend how many hd streams can you watch and record simulatanouesly iamlindoro__? |
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| [18:00:51] | SHADOW_XX: | i was thinking about having something similar |
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| [18:02:05] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, recording HD streams takes next to no CPU. Playing them takes a bit but not much. I live in a condo and can easily record five or six things while watching three and commercial flagging everything in real time (although other than testing I never do, since that's a pretty extreme use case) |
| [18:02:32] | SHADOW_XX: | ah alright cool |
| [18:02:36] | SHADOW_XX: | sounds great |
| [18:03:19] | iamlindoro__: | It leaves room to grow. When and if I add more HD-PVRs to the mix the processor usage will go up, but it should still all work fine on this setup for a good long time |
| [18:03:29] | SHADOW_XX: | do you think the hd homeruns are worth it or no |
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| [18:04:04] | iamlindoro__: | They're fine. All digital tuners are more or less the same. If you need two or a networked device instead of a PCI or USB device, the HDHomeRun appears to be a great choice |
| [18:04:43] | SHADOW_XX: | i was thinking about eventually having a setup that could record around 4–8 shows simultanously for now i would like to record digital and analog |
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| [18:05:04] | SHADOW_XX: | atleast one of each |
| [18:05:24] | iamlindoro__: | again, recording with *decent* tuners (ie digital or hardware encoding analog tuners) takes practically no CPU, you could accomplish that on a low end system |
| [18:05:30] | SHADOW_XX: | but ya know small steps so if i could get sched info that ouwld be a great start |
| [18:05:35] | iamlindoro__: | But the analog side of a hybrid card is invariably a framegrabber POS |
| [18:05:55] | SHADOW_XX: | ah ok thats fine i could just get another card for analog then |
| [18:06:00] | iamlindoro__: | Exceptions are the HVR-1600, HVR-1800, and maybe one or two I can't think os |
| [18:06:01] | iamlindoro__: | of |
| [18:06:29] | SHADOW_XX: | right now the system that is dedicated for this is a amd x2 le be-2300 |
| [18:06:37] | iamlindoro__: | The 1600 and 1800 have hardware encoders for analog material. If you want one that is an analog-only card, the PVR-150 and 500 are good cards. |
| [18:06:48] | iamlindoro__: | That system could easily handle many simultaneous recordings |
| [18:06:51] | SHADOW_XX: | 2.3ghz low wat amd x2 45 watt 2 gig of ram embedded geforce 6250 |
| [18:06:55] | SHADOW_XX: | or 6150 dont member |
| [18:07:22] | SHADOW_XX: | awesome so ill be looking into getting a 1800 and throwing it in here |
| [18:07:53] | iamlindoro__: | The 1800 is a good choice as it's two *seperate* tuners, one digital and one analog |
| [18:07:59] | iamlindoro__: | so you can record one of each at the same time. |
| [18:08:11] | SHADOW_XX: | freaking awesome |
| [18:08:22] | SHADOW_XX: | i just found it on newegg for 100 with a mce remote |
| [18:08:41] | iamlindoro__: | if you want to be able to record *all* of your channels, in HD *or* SD, though, the new Hauppauge HD-PVR may be the right choice |
| [18:09:21] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm whats teh difference between the 1800 and that |
| [18:09:30] | SHADOW_XX: | and it finished scaning btw what should i do now |
| [18:09:46] | iamlindoro__: | Since with digital tuners you can only record unencrypted, and analog tuners will be SD only. The Hd-PVR captures the HD component output of your set top box, so any channel you can tune on your set top box, be it Sd or HD, you can capture with the HD-PVR. |
| [18:10:03] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, same as before, quite mythtv-setup, run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all, and try to watch live TV when it is done. |
| [18:10:21] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm ok |
| [18:10:27] | iamlindoro__: | s/quite/quit/ |
| [18:13:56] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm so with the hdpvr i put that inbetween the cable box and the tv |
| [18:13:57] | SHADOW_XX: | ? |
| [18:14:09] | wagner: | yes |
| [18:14:20] | iamlindoro__: | between the cable box and the myth system |
| [18:14:31] | wagner: | although with mythtv, you wouldnt connect the tv to it at all |
| [18:14:31] | SHADOW_XX: | ok |
| [18:14:49] | wagner: | the way mythtv is set up, it should have dedicated access to that cable box |
| [18:15:07] | SHADOW_XX: | so what does the hdpvr allow you to do sorrry i am abit confused |
| [18:15:18] | wagner: | digital cable is mostly encrypted |
| [18:15:19] | directhex: | it's a recorder |
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| [18:15:29] | directhex: | it grabs HD video ouput and saves |
| [18:15:30] | wagner: | meaning you have to have a cable box or cablecard tuner to access those channels |
| [18:15:35] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, it behaves more or less like any other capture card |
| [18:15:52] | wagner: | the HDPVR captures the decrypted analog output from your cable box |
| [18:15:52] | SHADOW_XX: | right but how do you save off of it |
| [18:15:53] | SHADOW_XX: | ? |
| [18:16:02] | SHADOW_XX: | it has components and rcas out |
| [18:16:04] | iamlindoro__: | It's inputs are component video, which can carry Sd or HD material, and allows you to sidestep any channels they might like to encrypt |
| [18:16:18] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, It's doesn't record internally, it's a USB device |
| [18:16:24] | SHADOW_XX: | ohhhhhhhhhh |
| [18:16:25] | SHADOW_XX: | ok |
| [18:16:26] | SHADOW_XX: | i gotcha |
| [18:16:28] | iamlindoro__: | component in, real time hardware encoding, USB out |
| [18:16:31] | SHADOW_XX: | it makes all of sense now |
| [18:16:35] | SHADOW_XX: | sweet |
| [18:17:20] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, the Myth community <3's the HD-PVR, even though it will be a week or two before myth support appears |
| [18:17:35] | SHADOW_XX: | right well i mean its still awsome |
| [18:17:56] | SHADOW_XX: | if you dont mind me asking where did you buy it from |
| [18:17:59] | SHADOW_XX: | ii cant find it on newegg |
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| [18:18:01] | wagner: | of course if you havent ordered one yet, it will be a month or two before it comes in the mail |
| [18:18:02] | iamlindoro__: | Straight from Hauppauge |
| [18:18:08] | SHADOW_XX: | oh ok |
| [18:18:27] | wagner: | theres been a huge demand, with a relative limited supply |
| [18:18:32] | wagner: | so theres a long back order |
| [18:19:00] | ** iamlindoro__ pets /dev/video0 gently. Good Hd-PVR. :) ** | |
| [18:19:20] | wagner: | basically, the next closest thing costs about $1500, or requires you to run Vista MC |
| [18:20:11] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm |
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| [18:20:14] | SHADOW_XX: | 250 isnt bad |
| [18:20:26] | SHADOW_XX: | esp that its usb |
| [18:20:40] | SHADOW_XX: | and i think i got binding working |
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| [18:21:26] | ** iamlindoro__ cats /dev/video0 to mkrufky. ** | |
| [18:22:02] | wagner: | binding? |
| [18:22:17] | ** mkrufky aka loopback device ** | |
| [18:22:19] | mkrufky: | back to iamlindoro |
| [18:22:29] | SHADOW_XX: | yeah |
| [18:22:57] | iamlindoro__: | I wonder if this is the mkrufky-ng loopback that makes all my TV into filthy porno |
| [18:23:38] | iamlindoro__: | wagner, He's been working on getting his SD listings bound to his channels properly |
| [18:23:43] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, so you see listings now? |
| [18:24:44] | SHADOW_XX: | yeah |
| [18:24:54] | iamlindoro__: | nice |
| [18:24:54] | SHADOW_XX: | i think i got it |
| [18:24:57] | SHADOW_XX: | i dont know what diff i did |
| [18:25:12] | SHADOW_XX: | but yeah also for the time being i added analog back and all the channels are there |
| [18:25:31] | SHADOW_XX: | if analog screws it up i can just revert it back |
| [18:25:33] | iamlindoro__: | Cool. Glad you got it sorted. Sometimes gremlins appear and all it takes is doing it twice |
| [18:25:47] | iamlindoro__: | And sometimes we know more the second time and don't realize we do :) |
| [18:26:15] | SHADOW_XX: | hey so on your hd pvr do you have it setup where if you set it to record something on lets say chann 100 it changess the box to chan 100 and records? |
| [18:26:27] | SHADOW_XX: | yeah i agree this time atleast i know how to do something |
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| [18:29:32] | wagner: | SHADOW_XX: yes, it has a built in IR blaster, so it can change the channel on the connected cable box |
| [18:29:48] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm yeah i know mythtv supports that |
| [18:29:52] | SHADOW_XX: | too is that hard |
| [18:29:56] | SHADOW_XX: | or is that all depending |
| [18:29:59] | iamlindoro__: | No, it's not too hard. |
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| [18:30:15] | SHADOW_XX: | nice |
| [18:30:46] | SHADOW_XX: | because i wouldnt mind just adding another hd box in my room and getting the hdpvr |
| [18:33:40] | bbeattie: | Is there any way to have a master and slave myth boxes with different music? If I scan on one it shows up on the other but of course since the music isn't the same it doesn't work, and I prefer different collections on both systems so I'm not looking to do nfs |
| [18:35:03] | SHADOW_XX: | did you put the music on the secound mythbox |
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| [18:39:12] | bbeattie: | yes, but it's a different collection |
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| [18:40:49] | bbeattie: | so if I scan on the master, the masters music list shows up on the slave, and if I scan on the slave the slavs list shows up on the master.. I really need two unique lists but it seems to just store it to one location in the db music_ tables |
| [18:41:44] | iamlindoro__: | bbeattie, I don't believe you can have two collections |
| [18:42:48] | SHADOW_XX: | i thought the backends where suppliments of each other |
| [18:42:59] | SHADOW_XX: | it seems like you want 2 dedicated seperate backends |
| [18:46:21] | bbeattie: | I'd like to share tv recordings but that's it, different movie and music collections |
| [18:47:16] | directhex: | you can't |
| [18:47:35] | directhex: | all myth'f frontend plugins rely on building a single database for files available locally |
| [18:47:52] | directhex: | i.e. all frontends assume the same files in the same location |
| [18:48:09] | SHADOW_XX: | what do multiple backends help you do |
| [18:48:20] | SHADOW_XX: | like have a 2nd backend |
| [18:48:23] | iamlindoro__: | hve more tuners, flag moer commercials, transcode more, etc. |
| [18:48:38] | iamlindoro__: | s/hve/have/, s/moer/more/ |
| [18:49:05] | SHADOW_XX: | ah ok |
| [18:49:07] | SHADOW_XX: | that works |
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| [18:51:43] | bbeattie: | can you have two backends with different music/video collections but share the same tv recordings? |
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| [18:53:18] | iamlindoro__: | bbeattie, again, for the third time, NO |
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| [19:03:50] | SHADOW_XX: | i have a question |
| [19:04:03] | SHADOW_XX: | what would be the best way to have mythtv save onto a server |
| [19:04:08] | SHADOW_XX: | should i use samba nfs |
| [19:04:11] | SHADOW_XX: | freenas |
| [19:04:20] | SHADOW_XX: | does ayone have a good solution |
| [19:04:56] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, if it's linux across the board, NFS is best |
| [19:05:00] | SHADOW_XX: | i have used samba before but am disguisted at the speeds i couldnt get over 10MB/sec accross my network where i am used to hitting over 40 |
| [19:05:10] | SHADOW_XX: | my server is windows |
| [19:05:12] | iamlindoro__: | if you need to access it from lots of windows machines, the SMB is what you have to use |
| [19:05:18] | SHADOW_XX: | eh |
| [19:05:36] | SHADOW_XX: | i could setup a sep freenas box that has smb and nfs |
| [19:05:37] | SHADOW_XX: | lol |
| [19:08:53] | iamlindoro__: | I could paint my ass red and call myself the Kool-Aid man |
| [19:10:05] | gbee: | samba is fugly |
| [19:10:19] | gbee: | not to mention buggy |
| [19:10:49] | iamlindoro__: | It's fruit of the poisoned tree, after all :) |
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| [19:11:10] | gbee: | which to be fair, is hardly suprising since it's a backwards engineered attempt to copy a Microsoft protocol |
| [19:11:16] | otwin: | samba serves 1000 users very well here |
| [19:11:41] | gbee: | nfs is better for unix |
| [19:12:24] | gbee: | number of problems reported concerning mythtv that can actually be traced back to samba+cifs makes the case pretty well |
| [19:13:52] | otwin: | tridgell thinks different, he wants samba4/cifs to be standard on *nix replacing nfs – wonder if that will happen |
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| [19:17:22] | SHADOW_XX: | lol the issue that i have had with it is speed |
| [19:17:38] | SHADOW_XX: | i have been using linux as a secound desktop for close to 2 years |
| [19:17:45] | SHADOW_XX: | including samba |
| [19:17:49] | SHADOW_XX: | it works |
| [19:18:02] | SHADOW_XX: | but it didnt go fast enough |
| [19:18:13] | SHADOW_XX: | it would max out at 10MB/sec |
| [19:18:22] | SHADOW_XX: | which on a gigabyte line pisses me off |
| [19:18:35] | SHADOW_XX: | esp when i am in windows i see over 40MB/sec from the same comp |
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| [19:20:53] | SHADOW_XX: | also does anyone here know about comcast |
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| [19:25:12] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, you need to ask more specific questions |
| [19:26:21] | wagner: | yes, i know a number of things about comcast |
| [19:26:30] | wagner: | but chances are i dont know what youre looking for |
| [19:27:50] | SHADOW_XX: | lol ah well can they tell how many setop boxes you have |
| [19:27:58] | SHADOW_XX: | i wanted to test something with one of my friends |
| [19:28:39] | wagner: | STBs, yes. analog devices, no |
| [19:28:51] | wagner: | STBs are bi-directional |
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| [19:29:15] | SHADOW_XX: | ah so if i bring one of my friends stb over i could get in trouble? |
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| [19:29:50] | wagner: | you wont get in trouble, more likely it wont work, or it will start fighting with your STB |
| [19:29:58] | SHADOW_XX: | oh |
| [19:30:00] | SHADOW_XX: | how come |
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| [19:30:53] | GreyFoxx: | You have nothing to fear really |
| [19:30:55] | wagner: | as i said, its bi-directional, and i would assume the cableco limits the number of devices allowed to communicate on the line to the number of devices they gave you |
| [19:31:10] | GreyFoxx: | The main problem is if the friends box wont come online from your part of their cable plant |
| [19:31:35] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm ok |
| [19:31:38] | SHADOW_XX: | that makes sense |
| [19:31:55] | wagner: | worst case is that it just doesnt work |
| [19:32:20] | GreyFoxx: | It will in no way "fight" with your existing stb ;) |
| [19:32:22] | wagner: | best case is that it registers as your friend's box, and continues operation as normal on his subscription |
| [19:32:27] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [19:32:40] | SHADOW_XX: | that works |
| [19:32:41] | SHADOW_XX: | thanks |
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| [19:36:18] | gbee: | otwin: re: Tridgell, I wouldn't expect him to say anything else, he's hardly impartial |
| [19:38:24] | otwin: | gbee: heh, true |
| [19:38:41] | SHADOW_XX: | lol alright guys now i am having another issue |
| [19:38:45] | SHADOW_XX: | heh |
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| [19:39:07] | SHADOW_XX: | when i do a scan for channels in dvb 0 qam 256 |
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| [19:39:28] | SHADOW_XX: | i want the channels to look like this 100.5 buyt they are looking like this 155#5 |
| [19:39:37] | SHADOW_XX: | even though in the seprator i set it currectly |
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| [19:41:17] | iamlindoro__: | SHADOW_XX, I've seen that behavior, usually when you scan on top of an existing channel table... did you go back and scan again when you already had existing channels? |
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| [19:41:52] | SHADOW_XX: | yes |
| [19:41:56] | iamlindoro__: | Also, I think there are certain types of channels that I've seen confuse Myth (notably radio/audio-only channels) and I've seen it put that separator there |
| [19:42:00] | SHADOW_XX: | should i wipe all the channels clear |
| [19:42:01] | iamlindoro__: | Why did you rescan? |
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| [19:42:18] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, delete existing channels, and you should get mostly what you're looking for |
| [19:42:25] | SHADOW_XX: | alright |
| [19:42:35] | SHADOW_XX: | so when i rescan ill do digital first |
| [19:42:37] | SHADOW_XX: | then analog |
| [19:42:38] | SHADOW_XX: | ? |
| [19:42:46] | iamlindoro__: | Doesn't matter |
| [19:43:05] | SHADOW_XX: | alright |
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| [19:43:14] | SHADOW_XX: | because i dont want # thats dumb |
| [19:43:15] | SHADOW_XX: | lol |
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| [20:32:56] | Tominator: | hi! |
| [20:36:11] | Tominator: | I'm trying to install mythtv in my network... I want a backend on my server and a frontend on my desktop pc... I'm trying to set the backend up, but when I want so scan for channels the button for that ist disabled... what could be the reason for that? I added a tv-card... shouldn't it work then? |
| [20:38:12] | JohnMahowald: | Did you do all the mythtv-setup tasks, in order? |
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| [20:41:41] | Tominator: | I think so... |
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| [20:42:17] | Tominator: | got some probs with the video source |
| [20:44:04] | Tominator: | it tells me that it couldn't find channel informations for my provider... (freely translated from german) |
| [20:44:44] | Tominator: | and to execute mythfilldatabase --manual insted of automatic |
| [20:45:05] | Tominator: | but aren't these just unnescessary informations? |
| [20:45:07] | JohnMahowald: | What do you have for video sources? |
| [20:45:20] | Tominator: | tvtoday |
| [20:45:40] | Tominator: | its the only german video source |
| [20:45:45] | JohnMahowald: | And the 4th step, you linked an input to this source? |
| [20:45:55] | Tominator: | oh |
| [20:46:07] | Tominator: | well... no :) actually not |
| [20:46:26] | JohnMahowald: | Ah ha! |
| [20:46:53] | Tominator: | oh okay :D |
| [20:46:58] | Tominator: | thanks a lot |
| [20:47:09] | Tominator: | it is sccanning for channels and finds some ;) |
| [20:47:11] | JohnMahowald: | If that was it, that was easy. |
| [20:47:34] | Tominator: | but now the harder part: how do I connect to my backend? |
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| [20:47:52] | Tominator: | just by using the frontend? |
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| [20:48:00] | Tominator: | didn't work last time I tried... |
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| [20:51:02] | JohnMahowald: | frontend General config has a place for backend host name |
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| [20:51:46] | gbee: | 0.21 has auto-discovery, run with "mythfrontend -p" |
| [20:52:26] | gbee: | although it will fallback to the old method in the event that your network/firewalls etc don't support upnp/multicast |
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| [20:53:50] | Tominator: | oh okay... sorry... I was to fast :) /var/lib/mythtv semes not to be writeable... When I try to fix it (at least the dialogue says that) it doesn't really succeed... when I try to exit again the message comes up again... hat rights does the folder need? I can give them manually... |
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| [20:55:55] | JohnMahowald: | The packages I use set up a mythtv user to run backend as that owns /var/lib/mythtv |
| [20:56:11] | justinh: | ffs even audacity isn't capable of recording long sessions without glitches. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [20:56:42] | justinh: | maybe it's time to stop trying to multitask |
| [20:57:20] | Tominator: | okay... shozuld I run mythtv-setup as that user? |
| [21:00:13] | Tominator: | well I'm running everything thrpugh an ssh X connection... when I change the user it says: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication... how do I get that working? |
| [21:02:13] | justinh: | ahh the futility of refusing to connect a monitor to a backend to set it up |
| [21:03:59] | fryfrog: | Tominator: you might consider using x11vnc |
| [21:04:08] | fryfrog: | that is what i use to do all that jazz |
| [21:05:10] | Tominator: | is it necessary to run it as the mythtvuser at all? |
| [21:05:24] | fryfrog: | x11vnc attaches to the running X session |
| [21:05:25] | justinh: | very much so |
| [21:05:34] | fryfrog: | i usually run it as root, and attach to who ever i want |
| [21:06:00] | justinh: | if you don't run mythtv-setup as the same user mythbackend runs as, mythfilldatabase can screw up among a multitude of other problems |
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| [21:06:13] | Tominator: | for fun I tried to connect to the backend and it says that there is no security-pin assigned... |
| [21:06:16] | Tominator: | oh okay... |
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| [21:06:59] | justinh: | but hey as long as there are a few excellent ready-to-go mythtv distros why make life easy for yourself eh |
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| [21:07:54] | directhex: | pot. kettle. |
| [21:07:56] | Tominator: | well yeah, but I'm using the same mashine for other things (webserver, fileserver) and sofar I'm fine with debian... |
| [21:08:41] | justinh: | directhex: difference is I know wtf I'm doing the majority of the time |
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| [21:08:55] | Tominator: | fryfrog: how do I quickly use x11vnc? |
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| [21:09:09] | Tominator: | the only thing that is installed ist X.org... |
| [21:09:15] | Tominator: | and now x11vnc |
| [21:09:30] | fryfrog: | just take a look at the output of the first run of x11vnc, it'll depend on your setup |
| [21:09:40] | fryfrog: | for instance, since i use gdm i have to point it at the gdm login file |
| [21:09:43] | fryfrog: | er, auth file |
| [21:09:48] | fryfrog: | and i created a pasword |
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| [21:10:09] | fryfrog: | damn, it isn't in my history |
| [21:10:13] | directhex: | if only someone had written a guide to running a web, file, etc server with myth as a headline feature, on a debianesque distro |
| [21:10:14] | fryfrog: | i have to figure it out everytime :) |
| [21:10:14] | directhex: | if only |
| [21:10:22] | directhex: | including vnc, if memory serves |
| [21:10:42] | fryfrog: | it is like "x11vnc -passwd ~/.vnc/vncpasswd -rfbauth /path/to/.Xauthority0 |
| [21:10:44] | fryfrog: | or something like that |
| [21:11:19] | Tominator: | okay... thanks a lot fryfrog... I'll try to create it... |
| [21:11:31] | fryfrog: | also, finally my newegg order goes though! |
| [21:11:37] | justinh: | directhex: yeah. if ONLY. I think I remember hearing about somebody setting out to document all that you mentioned but I can't remember whatever became of it |
| [21:12:39] | justinh: | see the problem there is that the details of where to find said howto guide weren't posted to everybody on the planet, so how could anyone possibly find out about it? |
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| [21:41:02] | SHADOW_XX: | mythfilldatabase --refresh-all takes a reduculous long time |
| [21:41:34] | GreyFoxx: | It's not something you are expected to do regularly :) |
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| [21:42:33] | SHADOW_XX: | yeah i know |
| [21:42:33] | SHADOW_XX: | lol |
| [21:42:52] | SHADOW_XX: | its just that mythtv is coded really well and is one of the best pvr solutions hands down |
| [21:44:31] | SHADOW_XX: | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/includes/objects/Program.php on line 291 |
| [21:44:36] | SHADOW_XX: | i just got that error |
| [21:44:52] | SHADOW_XX: | off of webmyth |
| [21:45:11] | iamlindoro__: | That's, erm, MythWeb :) |
| [21:45:18] | SHADOW_XX: | alright alright |
| [21:45:19] | SHADOW_XX: | lol |
| [21:45:29] | iamlindoro__: | google the first five or so words of that, you will find a fix rather quickly |
| [21:45:36] | SHADOW_XX: | k |
| [21:46:40] | xris: | SHADOW_XX: it's documented in mythweb.conf, too |
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| [21:48:48] | SHADOW_XX: | oh alright is that on the site |
| [21:48:48] | SHADOW_XX: | ? |
| [21:50:49] | xris: | no, it's in your apache config directory |
| [21:50:57] | xris: | with lots of info in the INSTALL and README docs |
| [21:51:02] | SHADOW_XX: | ah ok |
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| [21:54:15] | SHADOW_XX: | php mem limit |
| [21:54:15] | SHADOW_XX: | ? |
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| [22:10:15] | xris: | SHADOW_XX: yeah. that's it. |
| [22:10:41] | SHADOW_XX: | yeah it worked |
| [22:10:42] | SHADOW_XX: | cool |
| [22:10:45] | SHADOW_XX: | i love mythtv |
| [22:10:46] | SHADOW_XX: | lol |
| [22:10:48] | xris: | the defaults are good for most people, but some lineups are too big for the defaults. the answer is surely that you have TOO many channels and need to spend more time outside. :) |
| [22:10:52] | SHADOW_XX: | now to dump more money into it |
| [22:11:05] | SHADOW_XX: | who whoa |
| [22:11:06] | SHADOW_XX: | lol |
| [22:11:16] | SHADOW_XX: | the point of me setting this up is for me TOO go outside |
| [22:11:24] | SHADOW_XX: | and not have to worry about missing stuff |
| [22:12:23] | xris: | ;) |
| [22:12:41] | xris: | I miss things anyway.. stupid firewire bug creates blank recordings WAY too often |
| [22:13:15] | SHADOW_XX: | lol ah |
| [22:13:16] | directhex: | poor xris |
| [22:13:19] | justinh: | oh poo. I dunno if I have enough blank cds to burn all this stuff too. or a big enough cd folder. wtf was I thinking agreeing to come out of retirement anyway? |
| [22:13:36] | SHADOW_XX: | lol |
| [22:13:39] | SHADOW_XX: | go dvd |
| [22:13:43] | SHADOW_XX: | cd is too old |
| [22:13:50] | justinh: | club cd players don't play dvd |
| [22:13:51] | SHADOW_XX: | or even go hd or blu ray |
| [22:13:52] | xris: | directhex: yeah, annoying. I really want to watch this new "blue planet" series (from the people who did planet earth, but all about the oceans).. it keeps failing to record. |
| [22:14:03] | directhex: | new? |
| [22:14:09] | xris: | justinh: ipod + line-in ? |
| [22:14:18] | justinh: | ipod doesn't have varispeed |
| [22:14:28] | xris: | directhex: pretty new, I think. it only started broadcasing on animal planet late last month |
| [22:14:46] | directhex: | The Blue Planet is a BBC nature documentary series narrated by David Attenborough, first transmitted in the UK from 12 September 2001. |
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| [22:14:56] | SHADOW_XX: | http://www.amazon.com/Ion-IDJ-iPOD-DJ-Mixer/dp/B000AAQZO0 |
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| [22:15:07] | justinh: | there's a new £1500 player which'll take USB sticks and read DVD ROMs though |
| [22:15:10] | xris: | directhex: ahh.. well, it's in HD now. |
| [22:15:27] | xris: | thought it was new. must have been *before* planet earth, rather than after like I thought |
| [22:15:32] | directhex: | xris, about time, it was 19:9 originally & cropped for airing on on animal planet |
| [22:15:41] | justinh: | ipods have a habit of locking up exactly when you don't want them to, too |
| [22:15:51] | directhex: | Planet Earth is an Emmy Award and Peabody Award-winning BBC nature documentary series narrated by David Attenborough and produced by Alastair Fothergill. It was first broadcast in the UK from 5 March 2006. |
| [22:16:02] | justinh: | the words 'not made for serious professional use' spring to mind |
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| [22:17:04] | justinh: | is there an ipod with nice big illuminated buttons? didn't think so :P |
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| [22:18:17] | SHADOW_XX: | if your ipod locks up replace the os with ipod linux |
| [22:18:24] | SHADOW_XX: | or rockbox i think or something like that |
| [22:18:31] | directhex: | oh, hm, blue planet aired on september 12th 2001. that's pretty 9/11ish |
| [22:18:38] | justinh: | right so I have to buy a 2nd hand ipod |
| [22:18:41] | directhex: | SHADOW_XX, doesn't help with the whole "changing BPM" thing |
| [22:18:52] | directhex: | which is pretty important when beatmatching track transitions |
| [22:19:00] | gbee: | I'd love to see either Planet Earth or The Blue Planet in HD .... not fair :( |
| [22:19:09] | SHADOW_XX: | lol i am just trying to help brain storm geez guys |
| [22:19:26] | directhex: | gbee, pretty sure blue planet was only filmed in SD. planet earth was all filmed in HD though |
| [22:19:51] | justinh: | SHADOW_XX: there's only one tool for the job.. a *proper* player designed for use by pro DJs in clubs ;) |
| [22:20:01] | directhex: | belt-driven turntables? |
| [22:20:24] | directhex: | gbee, http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/3388938/Pl . . . Product.html |
| [22:20:33] | justinh: | I was the last DJ to use vinyl there so they got rid of the decks & made the new dj booth too small |
| [22:20:44] | directhex: | or less than half the price on hd-dvd |
| [22:21:35] | gbee: | directhex: Hmm, wonder what a Bluray player would set me back ... |
| [22:21:46] | justinh: | if this thing catches on I'll seriously consider getting a laptop & 'DJ controller cum USB sound device' |
| [22:22:10] | directhex: | gbee, a drive? <£100. a player? £290 for a ps3 |
| [22:22:57] | justinh: | gbee: find out when it's on BBC HD, take some headphones to Tesco :P |
| [22:23:16] | gbee: | cheaper in the short term to just buy another DVB-S(2) card and hope it's better than the one I've got |
| [22:23:40] | gbee: | of course I'll have to wait for Planet Earth to come around on BBC HD ... but I'm sure it will |
| [22:23:45] | justinh: | psst you could always sell your first sat tuner on ebay to some sap ;) |
| [22:23:48] | gbee: | justdave: heh |
| [22:24:15] | sphery: | I have a whole Planet Earth series that's not the one you guy know. :) Recorded off a local community college's PBS channel. |
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| [22:24:30] | sphery: | Haven't seen the BBC/Discovery one, though. |
| [22:24:50] | directhex: | sphery, i think attenborough has a bit more class than sigourney weaver as a narrator |
| [22:25:00] | gbee: | sphery: it's good, at least IMHO |
| [22:25:22] | sphery: | Yeah. One day I'll figure out how to see it in high-def, then I'll watch it. |
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| [22:26:10] | sphery: | I think the one I have was a 1978's PBS one. |
| [22:26:44] | gbee: | pretty much all the BBC wildlife documentary series are excellant, the latest one – Wild China, although straying occassionally in looking at the people, has been good |
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| [22:27:38] | directhex: | gbee, where would they be without attenborough though? |
| [22:28:27] | gbee: | I really don't want to know :) When he dies I'll stop watching them |
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| [22:29:25] | justinh: | they might be able to synthesise voices more convincingly by that time :D |
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| [22:30:58] | justinh: | whee new headphones ordered. pity beyerdynamic don't make hd414 anymore though :( |
| [22:32:58] | sphery: | directhex: David Attenborough narrated a couple of Nova episodes on PBS, including one, "Jewel of the Earth," described as, "David Attenborough investigates whether dinosaur DNA can be extracted from mosquitoes trapped in amber." |
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| [22:33:37] | sphery: | Quite appropriate for the brother of Richard Attenborough, star of Jurassic Park. (Even referenced the movie in the episode.) |
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| [22:40:04] | xris: | sphery: the new planet earth is probably one of the best pieces of TV I've ever seen. |
| [22:40:28] | xris: | and certainly one of the few (imho) truly justifiable reasons for HD. (the other being sports, but I don't watch those, so they don't count) |
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| [22:51:15] | justinh: | up to 7 cds already, only 140 more tracks to burn. sheesh |
| [22:51:47] | directhex: | justinh, master of "choonz" of the "phat" variety. how positively spiffing |
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| [22:52:16] | justinh: | those words hadn't even been coined back then |
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| [22:54:16] | justinh: | who pissed on your bonfire today anyway? |
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| [22:57:48] | directhex: | meh. generally grumpy. it suits me |
| [22:58:48] | justinh: | this new night might even fall flat on its arse so all this effort will have been for nought, take solace in that :P |
| [23:00:21] | high-rez: | Any of you in the US and doing DVB-S? Curious what birds you're pointing at. |
| [23:04:27] | iamlindoro: | Those people are all pointing a w4r3zbird 1 and l337sat 3 |
| [23:07:18] | directhex: | and there are over 9000 people doing it |
| [23:07:49] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone know of any software (preferably free) upnp clients that support scheduling/ and the videoBroadcast live video streaming ? |
| [23:08:06] | directhex: | scheduling upnp clients? O_o |
| [23:08:21] | SHADOW_XX: | hey who here said the happauge pvr 1800 works in analog on linux |
| [23:08:26] | GreyFoxx: | It's part of the dlna spec |
| [23:08:33] | GreyFoxx: | I'm looking for clients that support it |
| [23:08:57] | high-rez: | There seems to be a lot of FTA available but you really need a motor to make it happen. |
| [23:09:16] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_XX: I did. And it does. |
| [23:09:28] | SHADOW_XX: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1800 |
| [23:09:33] | SHADOW_XX: | not according to that |
| [23:09:38] | wagner: | motor... meaning a retargetable dish? |
| [23:09:41] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_XX: Turns out wikis are edited by human beings and left to rot |
| [23:09:53] | SHADOW_XX: | lol alright |
| [23:09:55] | iamlindoro: | Click the history tab and tell me what you see |
| [23:09:56] | high-rez: | wagner: Yeah. |
| [23:10:15] | SHADOW_XX: | december 2007 |
| [23:10:19] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [23:10:23] | SHADOW_XX: | so where do you go to find the most update info |
| [23:10:31] | high-rez: | I don't remember seeing anything in myth about support for motors though. |
| [23:10:31] | iamlindoro: | Use the source, luke! |
| [23:10:48] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: Rotors are part of the DiSeqC standard, which myth supports |
| [23:10:49] | SHADOW_XX: | which source |
| [23:11:04] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_XX: The linuxtv Hg reposity |
| [23:11:07] | iamlindoro: | repository |
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| [23:12:11] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: No kiddin? I'll have to look a bit closer. |
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| [23:12:48] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: Yep! :) Can't say it's the most well documented part of myth, but it's there :) |
| [23:13:21] | directhex: | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/art . . . -desert.html |
| [23:13:24] | directhex: | #Officials believe the area – near to the Taliban stronghold of Quetta in Pakistan – was turning dried cannabis leaves into heroin. |
| [23:13:44] | high-rez: | i wish there was a comprehensive guide to all of the dvb-s available on north america. Europe's got a ton, but it's much harder to find it here. |
| [23:14:00] | iamlindoro: | well, lyngsat is pretty comprehensive |
| [23:14:08] | iamlindoro: | but free DVB-S in the US is... what's the word... |
| [23:14:09] | iamlindoro: | shit |
| [23:14:17] | justinh: | directhex: roflmao |
| [23:14:21] | cecil: | high-rez: what iamlindoro just stated |
| [23:14:38] | justinh: | directhex: funny but terrifying at the same time. scary to think people believe that stuff |
| [23:14:47] | famicom: | NOOOOOOOOOO |
| [23:14:49] | famicom: | OH MY GOD |
| [23:14:50] | famicom: | THE WASTE |
| [23:14:51] | famicom: | WHY |
| [23:14:52] | GreyFoxx: | dire: wow |
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| [23:14:54] | famicom: | DEAR GOD WHY |
| [23:14:56] | directhex: | justinh, it's the daily mail. doesn't that have the highest circulation of any UK daily |
| [23:14:57] | directhex: | ? |
| [23:15:01] | famicom: | IS THERE NO JUSTICE |
| [23:15:06] | famicom: | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/art . . . -desert.html |
| [23:15:10] | justinh: | famicom: is there any lower case?! |
| [23:15:11] | famicom: | THOSE MANIACS |
| [23:15:24] | iamlindoro: | Wow, deja vu |
| [23:15:42] | ** justinh summises famicom is an IRC echo bot ** | |
| [23:15:49] | directhex: | iamlindoro, well, cannabis -> short term memory loss... |
| [23:15:55] | famicom: | nah, if only |
| [23:15:56] | famicom: | and directhex |
| [23:15:59] | famicom: | thats a fucking lie |
| [23:16:00] | justinh: | directhex: I dunno, I thought that could be the Sun |
| [23:16:32] | directhex: | famicom, what is? |
| [23:16:41] | iamlindoro: | directhex: He can't remember what is |
| [23:16:46] | iamlindoro: | sume... thing |
| [23:16:47] | famicom: | drugs being "bad" for you |
| [23:16:47] | cecil: | lol |
| [23:17:09] | directhex: | famicom, what drugs? |
| [23:17:12] | justinh: | drugs must be bad for you. I took a lot of acid in the early 1990s & look how screwed up I am |
| [23:17:20] | famicom: | any drugs |
| [23:17:23] | famicom: | drugs are OK |
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| [23:18:02] | justinh: | right so if I just take this 1kg packet of heroin & use it as a suppository I'll be fine? |
| [23:18:16] | directhex: | justinh, you were right, the daily fail is 2nd |
| [23:18:27] | AndyCap: | justinh: depends on what the packet is made of. :P |
| [23:18:45] | directhex: | 2.3 million in april |
| [23:18:45] | justinh: | still though, prolly the highest readership of the *voting* population ;) |
| [23:18:51] | directhex: | versus 3.1 for the sun |
| [23:18:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, they don't have any affect on you, that's why Brother is 37 and a Hippie with a boarding room in SF, playing on the street corner as a job. |
| [23:19:05] | directhex: | justinh, yeah, but 2.3 million BNP voters are a bad thing |
| [23:19:34] | justinh: | I don't think even daily mail readers are ready for the BNP yet |
| [23:19:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh, wait, he lost his room since he's travelling with a guy selling T-shirts now. |
| [23:20:07] | justinh: | see Mr Hat, drugs are bad m'kay? |
| [23:20:27] | directhex: | justinh, you're kidding, right? they're made for each other. the mail decries wops, chinks, niggers, pakis, and those new-fangled poles... and the bnp's the bnp! |
| [23:20:53] | AndyCap: | trimethylxanthine FTW! |
| [23:21:07] | directhex: | justinh, it doesn't matter WHAT the headlines of the day are, the daily mail will be blaming it all on funny-colored for'ners |
| [23:21:34] | justinh: | directhex: thing is I'm not sure the BNP goes quite far enough for the mail readers of today. their manifesto says nothing about allowing public hangings or anything of the sort |
| [23:22:13] | justinh: | who owns the Mail anyhow? |
| [23:23:08] | directhex: | Daily Mail and General Trust |
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| [23:24:04] | AndyCap: | So is the frontpage on wikipedia characteristic? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mail |
| [23:24:21] | directhex: | owners of the mail, metro, evening standard, 'loot' ad paper, and has stakes in many media companies globally |
| [23:24:31] | directhex: | AndyCap, no, that's a gentle day for the daily fail |
| [23:25:20] | justinh: | my dad could be your typical mail reader – except he doesn't read it anymore |
| [23:25:54] | directhex: | http://www.bigdaddymerk.co.uk/mailwatchnew/ |
| [23:26:14] | justinh: | though if it ever gets out about how he felt quite moved at my cousin's civil partnership ceremony there'll be hell to pay :D |
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| [23:28:23] | AndyCap: | oh well, we're busy with fallout from political cartoonists. |
| [23:28:33] | wagner: | my local cable company has ads for 'buy more services, buy digital phone, buy internet' |
| [23:28:41] | AndyCap: | thankfully, it's not actual _fallout_ yet. |
| [23:28:45] | wagner: | in those ads, the audio and video is out of sync |
| [23:29:05] | wagner: | they want me to buy more multimedia products from a company that cant even master a basic ad |
| [23:29:29] | justinh: | AndyCap: heh |
| [23:29:36] | AndyCap: | wagner: well, no wonder it is crappy if you haven't bought all the digital services yet, there are bits missing all over the place |
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| [23:30:46] | AndyCap: | ohh, http://cagle.com/news/PhoenixMarsLander/main.asp |
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| [23:34:19] | iamlindoro: | Well... everyone back to NewEgg, my E4500 can kinda sorta play the single-sliced 6Mbit 1080i captures from the HD-PVR |
| [23:35:06] | justinh: | 6mbit 1080i? SORTA ?! |
| [23:35:21] | iamlindoro: | No slices :( |
| [23:35:34] | iamlindoro: | And god-knows-what encoder options |
| [23:35:38] | justinh: | bum |
| [23:36:05] | justinh: | there goes the great white hope then eh |
| [23:36:26] | justinh: | at least as far as linux is concerned, for now |
| [23:36:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: So I take it you've got drivers, eh? |
| [23:36:42] | iamlindoro: | Burden seems to fall to ffmpeg to get them playable |
| [23:36:49] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Yeah |
| [23:36:52] | justinh: | keep everything crossed for the SoC projects then |
| [23:36:58] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A: posted yesterday and crossposted to the mythtv-dev list |
| [23:37:24] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm so a e4500 cant play that video clip |
| [23:37:25] | SHADOW_XX: | ? |
| [23:37:28] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm |
| [23:37:29] | directhex: | oh come off it, hauppauge didn't even consider slices to be important in the hdpvr? |
| [23:37:57] | justinh: | maybe it's just that the driver isn't setting it up to its full capability yet |
| [23:38:01] | SHADOW_XX: | my laptop can play 1080p off of ts and wmv |
| [23:38:05] | justinh: | early days? |
| [23:38:10] | GreyFoxx: | just: Likely |
| [23:38:21] | GreyFoxx: | ust gonna take some time to tweak settings I imagine |
| [23:38:24] | justinh: | SHADOW_XX: immaterial. h.264 is a cow |
| [23:38:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: that's awesome. ;-) |
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| [23:38:52] | justinh: | iamlindoro: just transcode everything.. with slices |
| [23:38:56] | justinh: | oh, wait... |
| [23:39:00] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: awesome in the sense of "I am in awe of how much I will inevitably spend making these play properly?" :) |
| [23:39:01] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm if there is a way i can test it on my laptop tell me because my laptop holds its own |
| [23:40:11] | iamlindoro: | This is an excellent anecdote about how bitrate and resolution mean diddly shit |
| [23:40:22] | justinh: | wow. top of the range toys don't cost as much as they used to. my dn2500f cost over a grand, now that usb capable cd dj think from denon is under 800 notes |
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| [23:40:29] | directhex: | iamlindoro, but but but but the 1080p videos i download from bittorent are fine! |
| [23:40:36] | iamlindoro: | directhex: hahah |
| [23:40:39] | SHADOW_XX: | lol |
| [23:40:45] | SHADOW_XX: | i also render on it |
| [23:40:50] | directhex: | iamlindoro, the 640x360 ones! |
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| [23:41:00] | justinh: | so? I rendered on my 800mhz athlon |
| [23:41:19] | SHADOW_XX: | eh i am trying to see why that 4500 couldnt keep up |
| [23:41:37] | SHADOW_XX: | and i dont use bittorent |
| [23:41:46] | directhex: | babylon 5 was rendered on pentium pros! |
| [23:41:48] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_XX: Encoder options are king, SHADOW_XX. We have no GPU acceleration in linux, and single slices means you can only use one core on it |
| [23:41:59] | SHADOW_XX: | ah ok |
| [23:42:09] | SHADOW_XX: | thank you thats what i was looking for |
| [23:43:08] | SHADOW_XX: | you dont get acceleration even if you use a nvidia card maybe a 7000 series or 8? |
| [23:43:18] | justinh: | not in linux you don't |
| [23:43:26] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm |
| [23:43:34] | SHADOW_XX: | drivers need to get better |
| [23:43:36] | gbee: | directhex: I thought it was done on Amigas? |
| [23:43:47] | SHADOW_XX: | is it driivers or implementation |
| [23:43:48] | SHADOW_XX: | >? |
| [23:44:23] | dustybin: | Amiga? |
| [23:44:29] | GreyFoxx: | SHAD: Both |
| [23:44:37] | ** J-e-f-f-A still has his Amigas! ;-) ** | |
| [23:44:46] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_XX: if you mean GPU accel, then bitch at the GPU manufacturers to put out drivers with proper hardware accel |
| [23:44:46] | Andreaz: | Me too! :) |
| [23:44:48] | dustybin: | i used to own a A500 + A1200 |
| [23:45:01] | dustybin: | A500 was my first 16-bit machine |
| [23:45:06] | Andreaz: | A2000+A4000 :) |
| [23:45:12] | dustybin: | nice!! |
| [23:45:17] | dustybin: | do you guys remember the amiga demo days |
| [23:45:20] | ** J-e-f-f-A has an A500, A1200 and A4000 Toaster/Flyer WarpEngine 68040/40 ** | |
| [23:45:25] | Andreaz: | sure sure... |
| [23:45:32] | dustybin: | Sc00pex |
| [23:45:36] | dustybin: | Red.Sector |
| [23:45:40] | directhex: | gbee, early stuff was rendered by rabbits on amigas, yes |
| [23:45:42] | dustybin: | Quartex |
| [23:45:42] | justinh: | bah it's all about console demos now |
| [23:45:52] | justinh: | get a 2600 to do cool stuff! |
| [23:45:52] | Andreaz: | Still looking for someone repairing my 060card for my 4000... only a 40er inside... :( |
| [23:45:55] | SHADOW_XX: | iamlindoro so because the gpu isnt doing anything thats why hd sttreams kills it |
| [23:45:55] | SHADOW_XX: | ? |
| [23:46:11] | dustybin: | Andreaz: are you using the latest amiga os |
| [23:46:19] | dustybin: | OS 4 i think? |
| [23:46:26] | Andreaz: | Nope, just 3.9 |
| [23:46:33] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_XX: It's killing it because the CPU has to do all the work, and because it's single-sliced, only one core can work on it |
| [23:46:45] | dustybin: | it looks nice :) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/AmigaOS4.png |
| [23:46:51] | Andreaz: | Today i put my A4000 in a package. Im running low on space here... |
| [23:46:55] | justinh: | SHADOW_XX: directx can offload decoding to the GPU via the drivers on windows. no such in linux. not for h.264, nada |
| [23:47:08] | SHADOW_XX: | ah alright |
| [23:47:15] | dustybin: | in the amiga days there wasnt open-source, there was public domain |
| [23:47:25] | SHADOW_XX: | and single sliced is just how the stream is? |
| [23:47:32] | SHADOW_XX: | i am just trying to understand/learn |
| [23:47:34] | Andreaz: | Aminet... hrhr |
| [23:47:39] | ** J-e-f-f-A has 3.9 on his A1200. ** | |
| [23:47:46] | directhex: | SHADOW_XX, the stream needs to be parallel for parallel decoding |
| [23:47:48] | justinh: | SHADOW_XX: yes but that might be down to the early hdpvr driver |
| [23:47:53] | directhex: | SHADOW_XX, no slices, no parallelism |
| [23:48:00] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A: can your A1200 hook up to the internet? |
| [23:48:12] | Andreaz: | You AmigaGeeks should look for UAE and Amikit! |
| [23:48:20] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm |
| [23:48:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: Yep! I've got a compatible 10Mbit PCMCIA adapter. ;-) |
| [23:48:28] | dustybin: | haha nice |
| [23:48:31] | Andreaz: | Both my Amigas got Ethernet-Cards... :) |
| [23:48:56] | Andreaz: | And a wonderful cryptic tcp/ip stack named miami.. |
| [23:48:58] | SHADOW_XX: | that makes sense now |
| [23:48:59] | dustybin: | i used to own a action replay cartridge |
| [23:49:01] | directhex: | gbee, originally 24 amiga 2000s, later moving to 12 pentium pcs |
| [23:49:19] | gbee: | cool |
| [23:50:07] | directhex: | and some alphas too |
| [23:50:18] | SHADOW_XX: | would a e8400 suffice for the stream |
| [23:50:18] | SHADOW_XX: | ? |
| [23:50:34] | directhex: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_Imaging |
| [23:50:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: I even put a laptop DVD-R drive internally on the left side... ;-) (not enough hp to play back a dvd, but can read dvd media anyways)... Cpu is just a 68030/50Mhz with a 68882/50MHz co-processor... |
| [23:50:49] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_XX: Until someone buys one and tries it, there is absolutely no telling |
| [23:50:51] | gbee: | wonder how it would stand up if I re-watched it today, I think the first series to try and repeat the long story arc was Lost |
| [23:51:14] | SHADOW_XX: | hmm intere4sting |
| [23:51:33] | directhex: | hmm, apparently the pilot only had 8 amigas for rendering |
| [23:51:37] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A: Guru Meditation |
| [23:51:42] | iamlindoro: | All the cores in the world mean diddly with single slices |
| [23:51:46] | directhex: | using Video Toaster add-in boards |
| [23:51:49] | SHADOW_XX: | right |
| [23:51:50] | Andreaz: | Still got a Derringer 030 for an A500 here. One day i paid 1800 $ for it. Its an extension cards for the processor socket of the A500 with own memslots. Crazy architectures, those days... |
| [23:52:17] | dustybin: | do you rememeber that hard drive you could hook onto the side of the A500 |
| [23:52:20] | SHADOW_XX: | and there really isnt anything you can do to make it parrallel or is that the serivce / driver |
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| [23:52:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | directhex: I'm greatly familiar with the Guru... Especially when I put together an adapter in 1990 to use a PC MFM HDD card with my A500.... The first few versions of the driver weren't that reliable... |
| [23:52:41] | iamlindoro: | It is far too soon to tell |
| [23:52:43] | Andreaz: | Hehe. Yeah. I once owndes such scsi controller with mem option... giggle... |
| [23:52:56] | Andreaz: | zip packed... zigzag inline packed... rofl |
| [23:53:16] | iamlindoro: | It might be possible, these are the early days of the driver. It might be limited to single slice, it might not. The playback situation will also slowly improve. |
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| [23:53:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: I later got a GVP A530 – 68030 @ 50Mhz, with 4MB ram and a 40MB drive... ;-) |
| [23:54:01] | Andreaz: | My first 105MB Quantum explode (a chip onto it) 5 Minutes after connecting... |
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| [23:54:23] | dustybin: | i put a 2.5" HD inside my A1200, think it was around 20MB |
| [23:54:33] | dustybin: | actually might of been more by then |
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| [23:54:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: I've got a 4GB drive in my A1200 now... ;-) |
| [23:55:04] | dustybin: | yep it was later |
| [23:55:07] | Andreaz: | And tons of partitions? :) |
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| [23:55:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nope, just one or two. ;-) |
| [23:55:59] | dustybin: | lot of fun in the amiga days and i wasnt even online |
| [23:56:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: me either, unless you count the BBS "DaveyJones Locker", where I downloaded lots of 'free' software... ;-) |
| [23:56:34] | dustybin: | imagine switching on your computer now without no internet connection and spend the whole night on it |
| [23:56:35] | Andreaz: | hehehe. I started to be online in any kinds of bbs mailbox thingys via xyz modem... |
| [23:56:48] | dustybin: | haha amiga bbs scenezzz |
| [23:56:58] | Andreaz: | hehehe not possible anymore.. :) |
| [23:57:02] | directhex: | ZOMG TEH HAXX0RZ! |
| [23:57:06] | Andreaz: | The second blast of that kind was Ultima Online... |
| [23:57:26] | dustybin: | the word lamer was created from the amiga days, from the lamer exterminator virus period |
| [23:57:41] | Andreaz: | hehehe... |
| [23:58:35] | Andreaz: | http://amikit.amiga.sk/ <-- Its worth a look i find... for all Amiga ppl |
| [23:58:42] | dustybin: | some of those demos were quite amazing, given how fast they was released too |
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| [23:58:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | directhex: I demoed my Amiga 500 with a 20MB MFM HDD attached via the PC MFM controller, and the 'stock 68000' 7mhz processor and like 4MB ram in 1991 – playing 6 or 7 of Eric Schwartz's incredible animations... |
| [23:59:20] | dustybin: | the days of soundtracker and .mods |
| [23:59:36] | Andreaz: | Me rendered with real3d on an amiga500 with that derringer cpu/fpu extrnsion.. |
| [23:59:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | directhex: People were asking, "ok, where's the VCR?" I said, – this is playing straight from my Amiga – and showed them the cables coming from my Amiga right into the TV and sterio... ;-) |
| [23:59:46] | dustybin: | once i even owned a genlock so i could mix my vhs home video with amiga graphics |
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