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[00:29:33] justinh: so, that's over 6 hours worth of vinyl recordings down the ducking pan! Sony, I want my money back you c***s! Is it too muxh to ask to be able to record audio & multitask?!
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[00:31:54] bmead: I don't want to ask a redundant question, so I did browse all of the suggested sites before asking. Does anyone know what the current state of the HDPVR driver for mythtv RECORDING, and internal IRBLASTER control?
[00:32:19] mkrufky: was that driver posted yet, bmead?
[00:32:32] mkrufky: afaik, if you boot the machine in windows, then reboot to linux, the driver works
[00:32:36] mkrufky: i havent tried it yet
[00:32:50] bmead: Which driver works?
[00:32:51] mkrufky: i dont know if the blaster part works yet, but bringing up the blaster in linux is *very* easy
[00:33:02] mkrufky: the one you're asaking about, slick
[00:33:06] mkrufky: ;-)
[00:33:20] bmead: Where do I find this driver (download site?
[00:33:31] mkrufky: ...then it probably isnt available yet
[00:33:55] mkrufky: i recommend playing with it some more in windows until they release the driver for linux ... if one exists ;-)
[00:34:31] bmead: I understand the the free GB-PVR windows software fully supports the HDPVR right now!
[00:34:38] mkrufky: that is correct
[00:35:31] bmead: My fast core-2-duo computer is still on order, but by this friday it should all arrive, then I will eagerly jump in and try all of these things out!
[00:35:56] iamlindoro: All the PVRs that run on windows (VMC aside) get to use the *windows* driver, lucky them
[00:36:37] mkrufky: this is something that i WANT to do, but probably wont get around to it
[00:36:44] mkrufky: *if* i do it, it will be closed source
[00:36:45] mkrufky: so.
[00:36:49] mkrufky: somebody beat me to it:
[00:36:58] mkrufky: i want to write a program that runs on a windows box
[00:37:09] mkrufky: it exports an API over the network for any app to control it
[00:37:34] mkrufky: ie: 1 windows machine with a dedicated network connection direct to anothe rbox (gigabit)
[00:37:44] mkrufky: that machine will have all the non-linux supported devices
[00:37:48] mkrufky: and will talk to mythbackend
[00:37:53] mkrufky: is that a good idea, or an evil idea?
[00:37:55] bmead: You could setup a windows backend with mythtv frontends ( I believe mysql is available for windows)
[00:38:16] justinh: apart from the fact mythfrontend doesn't really work on windowsw
[00:38:20] justinh: believe it or not
[00:38:25] mkrufky: (i lied about it being closed source — i just wanna motivate somebody else to do it first)
[00:39:02] GreyFoxx: mkr: So basically, an IP proxy to the windows capture devices
[00:39:12] mkrufky: yeah — it would rock
[00:39:29] bmead: Good Idea
[00:39:31] GreyFoxx: I've thought about that, would certainly help for unsupported hardware
[00:39:41] mkrufky: but, really just a mechanism to hold people over until gpl drivers appear
[00:40:11] mkrufky: the idea isnt much different than that of the hdhomerun
[00:40:13] bmead: Which I am told will be very soon. Who is heading up the Linux driver project for HDPVR?
[00:40:31] mkrufky: i meant drivers in general — i was not speaking specifically about the hdpvr
[00:40:31] GreyFoxx: mkr: Something could likely be hacked together with VLC and the video on demand features tied into the eisting iptv recorder class
[00:40:44] mkrufky: but... the right people have hdpvr's — dont worry, a driver will probably show up one day
[00:40:47] ** justinh looks for a different audio editing app which is NOT Audacity **
[00:41:10] bmead: Are the IVTV guys doing the HDPVR driver?
[00:41:17] GreyFoxx: no
[00:41:21] mkrufky: dont guess
[00:41:54] bmead: Is it the USB pvr guys?
[00:42:00] GreyFoxx: no
[00:42:11] bmead: The suspense is killing me? WHO?
[00:42:26] GreyFoxx: :)
[00:43:43] justinh: ahh screw it. audacity it is
[00:43:55] mkrufky: bmead: i will leave if you ask again — that might not bother you, but it might
[00:44:07] GreyFoxx: bme: #hdpvr might have better info on it :)
[00:44:10] justinh: bloody £500 worth of editing app & it can't even record simple audio ffs
[00:44:43] bmead: I didn't know there was a #hdpvr channel! Cool Thanks I am going over there.
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[00:45:15] justinh: DERRRR. recording to the c: drive oh you facking asshat. no bloody wonder
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[00:45:30] justinh: who put the temp dir there? oh yeah ME. NNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG
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[01:49:00] dustybin: doesnt look like apple have released any new mac minis
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[01:51:50] tetaflop: w00t
[01:51:52] tetaflop: hi
[01:52:21] tetaflop: anyone got this running with dish satelite??
[01:53:52] tetaflop: anyone done a DIY home theatre with a projector?
[01:54:39] iamlindoro: many people, and many people
[01:54:41] bsdfox: don't see how that'd be mythtv related
[01:55:02] tetaflop: movies media etc
[01:55:32] bsdfox: but the projector part
[01:55:47] tetaflop: the hardest part to me is figure out the card for the proper service
[01:56:05] tetaflop: bsdfox: that's the home theatre
[01:56:11] dustybin: if you have more than 1 person in your home what uses mythtv, should you partition drives per person, or can you keep all files in 1 partition but mythtv will work out what files belong to whom
[01:56:32] bsdfox: dustybin: you can setup different storage groups
[01:56:40] bsdfox: or you can categorize your recordings
[01:56:51] dustybin: bsdfox: storage groups = partitions
[01:57:36] bsdfox: not really
[01:57:41] bsdfox: but if that's how you'd like to think of it
[01:57:57] tetaflop: let's say someone with FIOS and Dish satellite, is the latter necessary??
[01:57:57] dustybin: so you could have 2 different storage groups pointing to the same partiton
[01:58:21] bsdfox: dustybin: you can run mythtv with 1 total partition
[01:58:22] dustybin: and mythtv will work out what group the files belongs to, even if they are in the same place
[01:58:35] bsdfox: just create different folders
[01:58:42] dustybin: aye ok
[01:58:42] bsdfox: ug
[01:58:57] dustybin: i didnt think of folders :)
[01:59:07] mzb: iamlindoro, I had no luck with xport
[01:59:46] tetaflop: and also I heard that boxes with firewire don,t need card altegether
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[02:00:45] iamlindoro: tetaflop: Only if your provider has left firewire open and in the clear-- and there are no Dish boxes or FIOS boxes w/ firewire.
[02:01:03] iamlindoro: and the cable companies who *do* provide firewire ports usually leave them disabled or disable all but the local channels on them
[02:01:08] tetaflop: and that mythtv can,t tune new HD digital signal
[02:01:38] iamlindoro: tetaflop: You have a lot of reading to do... I suggest the "Configuring HDTV" article on the wiki.
[02:01:46] tetaflop: k
[02:01:53] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV
[02:02:14] ** dustybin reads **
[02:02:16] mzb: iamlindoro, xport error: Cannot open bitstream file
[02:02:22] tetaflop: iamlindoro: which one is best, dish or FIOS??
[02:02:38] iamlindoro: mzb: weird, don't know that one
[02:03:11] iamlindoro: tetaflop: Well, you can't capture HD on either of them at the moment... but the bitrate on FIOS is slightly better
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[02:03:41] mzb: I've been looking at mpegdemux as an alternative ... we'll see.
[02:03:43] dustybin: "Playing 1080p H.264 can often be nightmarish for those unfamiliar with tweaking playback options."
[02:03:46] dustybin: oh dear..
[02:04:23] mzb: bbl
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[02:04:42] dustybin: H.264 = smaller file sizes, but more CPU power
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[02:04:58] dustybin: mpeg-2 = bigger file sizes, less cpu power
[02:05:23] dustybin: Uninformed users frequently make a point of asking whether their hardware is capable of "1080p playback."
[02:05:29] ** dustybin *coughs* **
[02:07:02] iamlindoro: All true. We hear that one all the freaking time.
[02:07:07] justinh: yay moved the temp dir from that drive to a different one – now it can record without going d d d d d d d d DUH
[02:07:28] dustybin: "a full-bitrate H.264 or MPEG-2 from a Blu-ray/HD-DVD Disk may be substantially more difficult or impossible to play back for the same machine"
[02:07:37] dustybin: nobody seems to know how much CPU power is required for that?
[02:08:00] iamlindoro: dustybin: That's because each example is going to have different requirements based on encoder options, bitrate, etc.
[02:08:49] iamlindoro: Your question is exactly what the article complains about-- there is NO SUCH THING as a hard and fast rule of what processor is *enough* for a particular codec + resolution... they will vary wildly
[02:09:30] dustybin: why does it vary wildy? its either broadcast or on the disc
[02:09:37] iamlindoro: for example, BBC-HD is harder in many ways to play than h.264 sources of the same resolution but higher bitrate. Why? Because they use advance codec options.
[02:09:47] tetaflop: is slingbox like MythTV??
[02:09:49] GreyFoxx: dust: Bitrate and codec options
[02:10:02] dustybin: jeeze
[02:10:03] GreyFoxx: higher bitrates = more cpu to decoding fast enough
[02:10:11] GreyFoxx: more advanced option = more cpu :)
[02:10:46] dustybin: "television is broadcast in bitrates up to 17.89 Megabits per second"
[02:10:49] GreyFoxx: For example, if you downlaod an H264 encoded 720p rip from the net, the bitrate is nowhere near as high as the broadcast
[02:10:55] dustybin: and we know that a mac mini can play that back
[02:11:11] iamlindoro: dustybin: correction, we know it can *usually* play that back
[02:11:18] dustybin: ok
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[02:11:53] jpabq: I got a RMA for my HD-PVR. Hopefully the next one works better.
[02:12:12] dustybin: so to be on the safe side, HD frontend should be equipped with one of these
[02:12:15] dustybin: Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme Edition QX9775 "LGA771 Yorkfield" 3.20GHz (1600FSB)
[02:12:19] iamlindoro: you keep quoting the page... what is it you're not getting? Bitrates, codec options, and codecs vary from source to source, and the processor requirements from video to video will always vary. Everything is anecdotal. The end.
[02:12:36] iamlindoro: dustybin: Again, *anecdotally*, that's far more than you need
[02:13:24] jpabq: Remember to include real-time, while it is recording, commercial detection!
[02:13:41] dustybin: iamlindoro: if the cpu requirements vary, its a safe bet to buy the fastest cpu you can get
[02:13:43] iamlindoro: I can play back all my stuff from BluRay discs with my E4500 @ 2.2 Ghz. But that's just *my* experience. I can play BBC-HD stuff on that system. But I can conceive of a situation where the bitrate is high and the encoder options are cranked to the max and it would not be able to keep up... I just haven't seen that yet.
[02:13:48] bsdfox: I changed the IP of my network (from 192.168.0.x to 192.168.2.x) and I think I got everything switched around.. mythtv is working, but when I go to recordings it tried to contact the old IP twice before it'll play (delays 2–3 minutes)
[02:13:59] bsdfox: anyone got ideas where this is stored?
[02:14:09] iamlindoro: dustybin: If you've got money to burn, more CPU never hurt anyone
[02:14:17] dustybin: aye ok
[02:14:48] justinh: MOAR!
[02:14:53] dustybin: justinh: go to bed
[02:14:58] dustybin: its late!
[02:14:59] iamlindoro: reliable sources with access to BBC-HD say that a 1.8 Ghz C2D has handled everything they have seen on that channel-- but that doesn't mean it can play every h.264 it encounters
[02:15:10] justinh: just been saving a new batch of wavs
[02:15:17] tetaflop: bsdfox: because ur using a higher ip number
[02:15:25] iamlindoro: At the top end of CPUs is overkill, at the bottom end is incapable, and in between, murky blackness
[02:15:28] dustybin: iamlindoro: thats why i have been enquiring!
[02:15:29] justinh: only got 5 hours' more music to re-record.
[02:15:41] bsdfox: tetaflop: how do I remove all memory of the old ip?
[02:15:52] tetaflop: the lower the ip number the less latency
[02:15:58] iamlindoro: dustybin: My only point is that everything you've quoted from that page is factually accurate
[02:16:08] iamlindoro: tetaflop: *WHAT*now?
[02:16:12] dustybin: iamlindoro: imagine i spent 399 on a mac mini only to find out in the future some of the HD stuff stutters
[02:16:43] iamlindoro: dustybin: If you buy the higher end Mini, it should be more than adequate for any *broadcast* h.264. The but future is always uncertain
[02:16:48] bsdfox: tetaflop: what?
[02:17:00] bsdfox: man I thought you might have advice until you said that
[02:17:11] dustybin: ok
[02:17:12] bsdfox: iamlindoro: any idea where the old IP is hiding?
[02:17:17] iamlindoro: Yeah, that was one of the sillier things I've heard in here-- and I've been here a while
[02:17:35] iamlindoro: bsdfox: did you do a find and replace on the dumped DB?
[02:17:54] bsdfox: yeah
[02:17:55] justinh: beddybyes
[02:17:56] GreyFoxx: <tetaflop> the lower the ip number the less latency
[02:18:01] GreyFoxx: I think I just peed a little
[02:18:03] GreyFoxx: lol
[02:18:04] iamlindoro: haha
[02:18:09] bsdfox: haha
[02:18:11] dustybin: one last question, does the fsb of the CPU make any difference between 800 and 1333 etc ?
[02:18:18] ** GreyFoxx goes to watch tv **
[02:18:27] iamlindoro: I hear you have to put terminators in all the switches so that none of the megabits fall out
[02:18:28] bsdfox: dustybin: not significant
[02:18:33] dustybin: ace :-)
[02:18:42] bsdfox: losing megabits is the sux
[02:19:21] iamlindoro: bsdfox: yeah, that's odd,I am really not sure... I have a sneaking suspicion it's hiding in the DB *somewhere*
[02:19:47] tetaflop: I was kidding
[02:20:11] iamlindoro: One would hope... but given your questions so far, I have my doubts
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[02:24:53] tetaflop: iamlindoro: 1rst time setting up MythTV
[02:25:18] iamlindoro: tetaflop: asking if Myth and slingbox are similar means you haven't done much reading about either
[02:25:23] iamlindoro: (They're not, by the way)
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[02:27:22] tetaflop: I just finished ur 1rst link
[02:27:35] tetaflop: mm... what next??
[02:28:15] tetaflop: which one has better service?? FIOS or Dish sattelite?
[02:29:10] tetaflop: ultimately I will have to design the machine around either of those
[02:29:28] iamlindoro: You already had that question answered
[02:29:43] tetaflop: where??
[02:29:58] iamlindoro: two lines after you last asked
[02:30:20] tetaflop: ah
[02:30:46] tetaflop: so drop Dish??
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[02:31:49] tetaflop: actually I don't have TV, don,t have cable, and don,t watch TV
[02:31:50] iamlindoro: Whatever, either is fine, so long as all you want to do right now is capture standard definition
[02:32:11] tetaflop: is for a friend that has Dish and FIOS
[02:32:24] tetaflop: k
[02:32:50] iamlindoro: If your friend has both he has more money than sense
[02:34:02] tetaflop: lol
[02:34:50] tetaflop: he says that he's been a long time Dish customer and gets some premium stuff
[02:35:19] tetaflop: shuld I compare FIOS and Dish services??
[02:36:00] iamlindoro: tetaflop: Do whatever you want-- if you guys aren't even sure which channels you care to capture, you've skipped a few steps to setting up a myth box. You need to know what you want to capture *before* you attempt to capture it
[02:38:46] tetaflop: k
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[02:41:04] tetaflop: but let me get this clear up-front. NONE of the cool channels work under any tuner/graphics card/service provider
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[02:41:49] iamlindoro: you can capture analog outputs of the set top box in SD for any channel you like. In the near future, HD will be possible. For now it's SD only.
[02:41:50] tetaflop: such ESPN, Discovery channel, National Geo, SciFi
[02:42:00] tetaflop: etc
[02:42:16] tetaflop: k
[02:43:15] tetaflop: FIOS has analog option as well??
[02:43:45] iamlindoro: every cable provider has STBs with analog outputs...
[02:44:03] iamlindoro: Based on these questions, I predict a rocky road w/ you + mythtv
[02:44:12] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: It's my understanding that FiOS has the first 50 channels in analog, but its only your local channels.
[02:44:34] iamlindoro: J-e-f-f-A: They leave locals as QAM, bu that's it
[02:44:36] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: I have FiOS Internet, but haven't gone to FiOS TV because it wouldn't do me any good with MythTV
[02:44:56] tetaflop: arrghh
[02:44:57] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: ^^ yeah, that too... ;-)
[02:45:36] iamlindoro: J-e-f-f-A: anyway, *every* channel is analog coming out of the STB via S-video, etc.
[02:45:44] iamlindoro: don't confuse him, he's already confused :)
[02:45:46] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: I currently have 2 Dish Network STB's feeding s-video and audio into a PVR-500, and 3 HD ATSC tuners with an antenna pointed at Boston.
[02:45:57] tetaflop: J-e-f-f-A: therefore is a good idea to keep satelite around
[02:46:15] iamlindoro: OK, you just signed yourself up, you get to answer his questions from here on out-- good luck with that
[02:46:26] tetaflop: w00t
[02:46:27] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: You could do the same with FiOS or Cable, etc. You'd need STB's for each tuner input thouh...
[02:47:43] tetaflop: iamlindoro: well it helps listening to ppl with experience
[02:48:25] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: The only way you'll get HD into your myth box is with an ATSC tuner, a cable system that's got non-encrypted QAM channels (and a QAM HD tuner), or the new HD-PVR from Hauppauge.
[02:48:33] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: (at least in the US...)
[02:49:03] tetaflop: yes, USA
[02:50:38] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: Do you live near a major city? If so, you can probably get all the networks via a rooftop antenna. And if you're lucky, most of them will be in one direction like mine...
[02:51:18] tetaflop: J-e-f-f-A: u are a good example since ur service provider is Dish too
[02:51:37] tetaflop: NYC
[02:51:52] tetaflop: ALL???
[02:52:04] tetaflop: >49??
[02:52:18] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: No, like CBS, FOX, ABC, NBC, etc...
[02:52:19] iamlindoro: tetaflop: networks are NBC, CBS, ABC, fox, and maybe the WB.
[02:52:30] J-e-f-f-A: ^^ exactly... ;-)
[02:52:30] tetaflop: ah
[02:53:11] tetaflop: J-e-f-f-A: what do u do for the cool channels??
[02:53:28] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: I have two plain-vanilla Dish receivers – a 3800 and a 3900, feeding S-Video and Analog audio into the two tuners on a Hauppauge PVR-500.
[02:53:29] iamlindoro: He captures then in SD from the dish boxes, ARGH
[02:53:47] J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, not optimal, but it works.
[02:53:50] iamlindoro: tetaflop: you can capture any channel you can see with your eyes with analog tuner cards. The catch is it's SD.
[02:54:09] iamlindoro: You can capture anything *unencrypted* with a digital tuner. The catch is nobody leaves anything good unencrypted.
[02:54:17] tetaflop: why is SD a catch?
[02:54:34] iamlindoro: Because most people want to watch their HD channels in HD?
[02:55:02] iamlindoro: Finally, you can capture HD from the Component outputs of any STB with the new Hauppauge HD-PVR USB device. The catch is there is no linux driver or myth support yet.
[02:55:07] iamlindoro: That about sums up the situations.
[02:55:15] tetaflop: ah ok SD is the format being phased out
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[02:55:20] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: Well, your STB has to convert it from MPEG to analog video, and your PC (or hardware encoder card) has to convert it back to MPEG video. Quality is lost, as is file size.
[02:55:37] asmussen: The linux/mythtv support for the hd pvr seems to be imminent, though.
[02:55:43] iamlindoro: J-e-f-f-A: This is *way* over his head, you should keep it really simple
[02:55:47] clever: they 'win' because your not getting a perfect digital copy anymore
[02:56:03] iamlindoro: asmussen: The driver is imminent, myth support hasn't been started. But yes, it's near term.
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[02:56:54] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: What's your display device going to be, a regular TV hooked up to your PC, or a computer monitor, or a HDTV, etc?
[02:57:06] tetaflop: in term of mobo/cpu what's the cut off lineLL??
[02:57:41] iamlindoro: There are never enough of the smarmy UK guys around when questions like this happen. *sigh*
[02:58:16] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: It depends on what you want to record/watch. If it's just SD, then you can get away with some pretty old hardware with a hardware encoder card such as a Hauppauge PVR-150. If it's HD, the biggest, baddest system is the best...
[02:58:25] tetaflop: I think the guy has HDTV flat panel and HDMI cables
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[02:59:18] tetaflop: he'll want the biggest baddest lawlz
[03:01:52] asmussen: Does the mythfrontend already support everything needed to be able to playback the H.264 recordings that the HD PVR will make, or will they have to modify that in addition to the backend changes necessary to capture from it?
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[03:02:48] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: Well, I wouldn't suggest building a HD Myth system for somebody unless you knew what you were doing first...
[03:03:28] iamlindoro: asmussen: It will need some patching. At the very least the recorder will be needed. If the libavcodec that's a part of .21 isn't adequate, it may not get backported.
[03:03:36] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: Unfortunately, I think they would probably be better off with FiOS's 'multi-room PVR' that they just announced... (uh-oh, hope that doesn't get me bounced!)
[03:04:09] tetaflop: J-e-f-f-A: I'll follow ur set up as an example
[03:04:30] iamlindoro: /kick J-e-f-f-A
[03:04:50] tetaflop: J-e-f-f-A: that doesn't need MythTV??
[03:04:53] iamlindoro: !trout J-e-f-f-A troll feeding
[03:04:53] ** MythLogBot slaps J-e-f-f-A with a troll feeding trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **
[03:05:05] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: Well, that will only get them local channels in HD, and everything else in Standard-definition. If he's got a HD set, he may not be pleased with that...
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[03:05:43] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: ROTFL!  ;-) I know — I deserved that! (Unfortunately, they're starting to catch up to us MythTV folks... years later...)
[03:06:13] tetaflop: k, I'll be researching all this stuff
[03:06:43] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: No, it doesn't. It's the FiOS PVR solution... costs extra too...
[03:07:12] ** J-e-f-f-A and I'll bet you can't expand it to 2.4TB like my MythTV system is... ;-) **
[03:07:24] tetaflop: err... last one, RAID 0 an NAS??
[03:07:29] tetaflop: *on
[03:07:38] tetaflop: w00t
[03:07:48] iamlindoro: You can Raid 0 if you like, and don't care about losing your stuff
[03:08:07] clever: i was going to play with jffs2 on my system to see how it performed for read performance
[03:08:17] clever: but i now see that it only works on mtd based block devices
[03:08:21] ** J-e-f-f-A now runs a RAID1 OS disk and a RAID5 Video array... ;-) **
[03:08:24] tetaflop: which is the best hard drive??
[03:08:52] iamlindoro: tetaflop: RAID isn't a hard drive, it's an array of hard drives. Read the wikipedia article on RAID to understand the levels
[03:09:04] tetaflop: clever: whats wrong with LVM?
[03:09:13] J-e-f-f-A: tetaflop: I'm partial to WD, but did have a bad 500GB last year... and it was less than a year old... (replaced under RMA)
[03:09:16] clever: tetaflop: lvm needs another fs ontop of it like ext3
[03:09:21] tetaflop: iamlindoro: I know that
[03:09:34] clever: tetaflop: the design of jffs2 is made so it NEVER FRAGMENTS the files
[03:09:36] iamlindoro: tetaflop: Then if you know all about RAID, you'll know that there's no "best."
[03:09:44] iamlindoro: just what is most appropriate for your needs
[03:09:50] tetaflop: clever: ah, interesting
[03:09:57] clever: which in theory will get you 100% of the drives bandwidth for reading a single file(like a giant 2gig tv recording)
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[03:10:07] clever: its a log based fs
[03:10:14] clever: all writes go to the 'end' of the circle
[03:10:37] clever: when it catches up with the 'start' it copys the still valid data to the other end
[03:10:53] clever: designed for flash based drives with a limited write count
[03:10:57] J-e-f-f-A: clever: huh? I'm not so sure it would never fragment, if that's even technically possible... Perhaps it 'auto un-fragments'???
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[03:11:19] clever: J-e-f-f-A: it allways writes file in whole at the end of the 'circle'
[03:11:46] clever: eventualy it will wrap arround to the begining and by then the garbage collector would have copyed the still valid data
[03:11:51] clever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-structured_file_system
[03:12:00] J-e-f-f-A: clever: Yeah, but if you wrote to a file, then wrote to a different file, then wrote more to the 1st file, then bang, your 1st file is fragmented.
[03:12:05] tetaflop: k thanks, I,ll be lurking here
[03:12:11] clever: J-e-f-f-A: not actualy
[03:12:24] clever: when you wright to the 1st file
[03:12:29] clever: it creates a 2nd copy after the 2nd file
[03:12:35] clever: so it goes 1st 2nd 1st
[03:12:48] J-e-f-f-A: clever: Well, the disk space isn't fragmented, but the file is split up into pieces. So technically the disk space isn't fragmented in that case...
[03:13:08] clever: the writes allways go in order right after the last one
[03:13:09] J-e-f-f-A: clever: (er, the FREE disk space isn't fragmented...)
[03:13:20] clever: which is meant to level the wear(damage) caused to flash from writing
[03:14:03] J-e-f-f-A: clever: But what happens when file#1 is deleted? now you've got fragmented free space... Which I suppose wouldn't be used again until the pointer wrapped back around to that space on the disk...
[03:14:16] clever: yep
[03:14:25] clever: as you delete files you leave holes in the circle
[03:14:36] clever: and the garbage collector copys the valid data from the tail to the head
[03:14:55] clever: which then creates more holes, until they are all one
[03:15:11] clever: 1_2_3456
[03:15:15] clever: __2_34561
[03:15:18] clever: ____345612
[03:15:19] J-e-f-f-A: clever: So all it's doing is distributing the writes across the disk more evenly.
[03:15:24] clever: yes
[03:15:37] clever: and as a side effect, all data is in order on disk
[03:15:49] clever: or atleast in the order it was writen
[03:16:03] clever: its designed with the idea that ram will become smaller&cheaper with time
[03:16:15] clever: letting the reads get serviced from the ram/cache
[03:16:38] clever: now that i think about it, rewriting existing files would probly fragment
[03:16:46] clever: but mythbackend wouldnt do such a thing on a recording
[03:16:54] J-e-f-f-A: and it will... I've already had an 8GB usb flash drive for several months now... and 16GB flash drives are already the price I paid for my 8GB...
[03:17:26] clever: but ext3 and fat32 will rewrite the inode/directory/fat tables alot more often then the 'data' areas
[03:17:31] clever: wearing those parts out sooner
[03:17:44] clever: and flash has a limited write count
[03:18:19] tetaflop: wooohoo!!! ssd are comming!!!
[03:18:34] clever: i made a 64mb usb stick of mine as a swap device for a week
[03:18:41] clever: with a higher prio to try and make linux use it more
[03:18:46] clever: but its not working as i planed
[03:18:58] clever: rarely used data gets swaped into it and never moved out
[03:19:11] clever: so the 'fast swap' quikly fills up with rarely used data and becomes useless
[03:19:39] clever: was going with a similar idea to http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_memory_on_video_card_as_swap but with external ssd's
[03:20:31] J-e-f-f-A: clever: But Flash memory is incredibly slow compared to a HDD... Did you expect it to be quick?
[03:20:50] clever: slow in seq but faster for rapid and random seeking
[03:21:01] tetaflop: clever: how about getting more ram??
[03:21:13] clever: i shoved a ram chip into the computer months ago
[03:21:18] clever: it somehow killed the xp harddrive
[03:21:32] clever: thats when i converted the box to linux
[03:21:36] tetaflop: xp???!!
[03:21:41] clever: and later on shoved my bttv frame grabber in
[03:21:46] clever: while dad said id never find drivers
[03:22:06] ** tetaflop doesn,t understand why ppl bother with xp **
[03:22:06] clever: after a week of searching i discovered the .ko was there the entire time and what i wanted was a v4l comp program:P
[03:22:17] clever: and i found mythtv later on:P
[03:23:06] clever: that xp drive still has a ton of data on it
[03:23:09] clever: 60gig worth
[03:23:19] clever: and goes tits up(overheating i think) after reading about 10gig
[03:24:05] clever: http://clever.mine.nu/download/hdd.wav is a recording of the thing spining up&down
[03:24:09] clever: it doesnt sound healty either
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[03:28:44] orificium: Anyone ever experience an issue with the checks inside the checkboxes being too dark in mythtv front end?
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[03:29:05] orificium: regardless of theme
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[03:29:24] orificium: using opengl as painter
[03:30:51] orificium: nevermind: changing QT style helps.
[03:33:27] wagner: adding memory should have no effect on a hard drive
[03:34:27] wagner: clever: that happened to my laptop once, i turned the laptop upside down, and the drive would function just fine, allowing me to copy the data off
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[03:35:12] wagner: that happened to my desktop once, so i moved my desktop next to my minifridge, plugged the drive into the longest pata cable i had, put the drive in the fridge, and powered up
[03:35:21] wagner: it lasted considerably longer than outside the fridge
[03:44:54] clever: lol
[03:45:10] clever: i shoved it into a usb enclosure last time i tryed to extract the data
[03:45:40] clever: i have enough usb extension cords ti easily put it in the neighbors fridge
[03:46:02] clever: i shold try it when i get enough free space
[03:46:20] clever: only problem is that usb enclosure now has half a lvm array
[03:46:27] clever: which contains mythconverge
[03:46:39] clever: so i have to halt mysqld to unplug it
[03:47:24] wagner: well you may be able to extend into the neighbor's fridge, but that doesnt mean it will be usable when you get there
[03:47:31] wagner: USB is only rated for 16ft
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[04:22:39] Constrabus: Riteo, thanks PaulWay
[04:22:46] PaulWay: In answer to your question,
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[04:23:12] PaulWay: You can do that more or less – view the programme guide and set a show to record.
[04:23:39] PaulWay: And you need the mythtv backend for that since it's what controls the capture cards and does the recording and ancilliary processes.
[04:24:58] PaulWay: The whole idea of MythTV was to get away from that 'I must act as the scheduling system for my dumb recording device' paradigm, though, so Myth isn't really set up to work that way.
[04:25:31] Constrabus: So then it has to be a mind reader? lol
[04:25:53] PaulWay: Only as far as knowing that you want to watch show X in the future as well.
[04:26:15] PaulWay: So basically I set my MythTV box up to record Mythbusters whenever it's on, and it just does so.
[04:26:28] Constrabus: I see.
[04:27:05] Constrabus: and if i turn my laptop off and then turn it back on.. will it resume this behavior?
[04:27:07] PaulWay: I don't need to know when that is, or whether that's a repeat of a previously recorded show (which Myth will will happily ignore), or whether it's moved in its schedule half an hour later because of new programming changes on the station.
[04:27:11] PaulWay: Sure.
[04:27:33] PaulWay: You don't _need_ to run MythTV all the time, it's just more convenient that way.
[04:27:37] Constrabus: Aright.. Im understanding this a lot more clearly now.
[04:27:40] Constrabus: Rite. I got you
[04:27:53] PaulWay: Especially if you're not in Australia so you get half-decent quantities of programming.
[04:28:11] Constrabus: The TVGuide feature.. do I need anything special for this?
[04:28:28] PaulWay: No, just comes as part of Myth.
[04:28:47] PaulWay: When your laptop starts up again and the MythTV backend starts up again, it will say "ooh, I need to redo my schedule" and go from there.
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[04:29:03] Constrabus: Very cool.
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[04:29:20] Constrabus: I dont think I will every buy a real TV ever again
[04:29:54] PaulWay: If you've asked it to record program Q once a week, and it's been on while your laptop has been down, then Myth might be able to find another showing to record if it's repeated.
[04:30:47] PaulWay: The neat thing you might like to know is that the MythTV backend can be on one machine and you can have frontends on completely separate machines.
[04:31:23] PaulWay: So I can watch TV, or a pre-recorded program, on my laptop from my MythTV server while my partner is watching her programmes on the separate front end in the lounge room.
[04:31:37] PaulWay: Which is why having a dedicated server is such a neat thing.
[04:32:20] PaulWay: Making sense?
[04:33:00] Constrabus: Completely
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[04:38:56] Constrabus: PaulWay Im geting a laptop with 1200p. Its a shame that I will need an extra external monitor just to play my xbox
[04:39:13] PaulWay: Heh – yeah...
[04:39:23] Constrabus: I can feed the laptop through it too, but.. then why get the 1200p laptop screen
[04:40:13] Constrabus: There just doesnt seem to be any qlear way to play consoles on the laptop.
[04:40:20] PaulWay: It'd be an interesting hardware project – a VGA-in PCI card or USB dongle.
[04:40:21] wagner: i dont think ive ever heard it called '1200p'
[04:40:48] PaulWay: Presumably we're talking about a screen with 1680x1050 resolution?
[04:40:59] wagner: no, WUXGA... 1920x1200
[04:41:17] PaulWay: Ah, right, of course.
[04:41:17] Constrabus: well when you hear 1080p its revferring to the vertical lines that is progrssive
[04:42:03] wagner: ive never heard monitors referenced in that notation
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[04:42:43] Constrabus: Makes sence though dudn it >.<
[04:43:48] wagner: no, because 1200p can also refer to 1600x1200
[04:43:56] wagner: just as 1080p can refer to 1440x1080
[04:44:33] wagner: it makes no indication of aspect ratio or horizontal resolution
[04:44:41] Constrabus: its not intended to
[04:45:07] wagner: but for a computer monitor, horizontal resolution is just as important as vertical resolution
[04:45:25] Constrabus: Yup
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[04:47:02] PaulWay: And certainly 1200x1200 would be useless for most TV and movies.
[04:47:52] wagner: not at all, we have an older plasma at work that runs at 1024x1024
[04:48:04] wagner: even though its a 44" widescreen
[04:49:02] Constrabus: 1200x1200 would give you 1080p
[04:49:23] Constrabus: 1024x1024 would give you 720p
[04:50:00] wagner: well technically, they wouldnt give you anything since you have to scale on both tvs
[04:50:27] wagner: however very few '720p' tvs are actually 1280x720, theyre usually 1366x768 with scaling
[04:51:22] Constrabus: Yah
[04:51:59] wagner: anyway, im just saying the '<scanlines><scantype>' notation is no good for computer monitors because they come in different aspect ratios
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[05:13:57] bsdfox__: anyone got a listing of valid locations for mythweather? I tried my zip/surrounding zips.. I even tried "sacramento, ca" and it finds 0 every time
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[05:32:02] tony_: i'm using kubuntu, so I'm told i could install the mythtv-control-centre and it will work just fine and be easier to work with for newbs, correct?
[05:33:48] Anduin: bsdfox__: There is an xml file you can look up the stations in (for NWS)
[05:37:35] sutula: bsdfox__: Also, from the source README:
[05:37:57] sutula: If you want to see all possible
[05:37:57] sutula: locations you can search with ".*" or just a blank search term.
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[05:40:53] netpro25: Anyone know if the hauppauge HVR-1250 1196 works? Its the one that comes with a remote?
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[05:41:58] sutula: netpro25: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Ana . . . apture_cards
[05:42:19] sutula: netpro25: I don't think that's the only Hauppauge that comes with a remote :)
[05:42:33] ** sutula doesn't know the answer to the question **
[05:42:54] netpro25: sutula: yes, what I mean is its the 1250 with a remote there are two of them
[05:43:13] sutula: Ah...sorry
[05:43:27] netpro25: sutula: np, thanks for pointing that out
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[05:44:06] ** sutula has been really happy with his PVR-500 **
[05:44:26] netpro25: sutula: yes, but I wanted digital ;-)
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[06:03:43] ChrisC35: hi
[06:03:55] ChrisC35: whats the channel for mythbuntu?
[06:04:16] ChrisC35: a nm
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[06:38:01] tony_: can anyone get mythtv going in kde 4.1beta?
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[06:59:43] netpro25: Anyone have any ideas on how to find out why when I choose watch tv the screen blanks for a sec then goes back to the same menu?
[06:59:45] netpro25: Anyone have any ideas on how to find out why when I choose watch tv the screen blanks for a sec then goes back to the same menu?
[07:00:02] netpro25: sorry about the double post
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[07:07:15] asmussen: netpro25: The best way to diagnose those kinds of problems is usually to turn on logging with -l to both the mythbackend and mythfrontend and then tail the logs while you try to watch tv.
[07:07:37] netpro25: k
[07:07:50] asmussen: Usually there will be some sort of error there that will give you some sort of hint as to what's going on.
[07:08:18] netpro25: I have some information in the logs but not much
[07:08:23] netpro25: 2008-06–10 03:04:23.637 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.
[07:08:26] netpro25: let me try that
[07:09:01] asmussen: Is it just live tv that's giving you a problem, or when you try to watch a recorded show also?
[07:09:32] netpro25: cant get live tv going so dont have any recorded shows
[07:10:00] asmussen: Ok, so you're just setting it up for the first time then?
[07:10:05] netpro25: yes
[07:11:46] asmussen: The log from the mythbackend will probably be the one with the most useful information. Do you already have mythbackend running with the option to log to a file?
[07:11:55] netpro25: yes
[07:12:54] netpro25: ah i see
[07:13:00] netpro25: getting a permission failed error
[07:13:05] netpro25: dope
[07:13:37] asmussen: Running mythbackend as a non-root user, but don't have permissions on the /dev entries setup, or something like that?
[07:14:07] netpro25: Opening file '/mnt/public/Marcel/mythtv/videos/1004_20080610031134.mpg'. eno: Permission denied (13)
[07:14:40] asmussen: Permissions on the directory not setup to allow writing by the user you're running mythbackend as then?
[07:14:50] netpro25: yea
[07:15:18] netpro25: what user does mythbackend run as?
[07:15:53] asmussen: Well, that depends on how you have it setup. Often there is a separate 'mythtv' user, but some people run it as root.
[07:16:14] netpro25: is there a easy way to find out, its mythbuntu
[07:16:15] asmussen: Just do a 'ps -ef | grep mythbackend' and see what it's running as on your box.
[07:16:54] netpro25: mythtv
[07:17:07] netpro25: i will add permissions for that user
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[07:21:45] netpro25: asmussen: works now thanks!
[07:21:53] netpro25: ;-)
[07:21:58] asmussen: Glad to help! :)
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[07:50:23] hachi: I'm reading things about MCE remotes... are there any MCE remotes not manufactured by microsoft?
[07:51:34] Penfold_: the one that comes with most of the Hauppauge cards has a Windows logo on it. but I'd assume it's made by or for Hauppauge?
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[07:52:16] wagner: my hauppauge remote does not have a windows logo
[07:52:23] hachi: the one that came with my hauppauge doesn't have any logo other than hauppauge on it
[07:53:01] wagner: i thought the hauppauge MCE cards did not have their own IR receiver/transmitter, assuming that you would already have one for MCE
[07:53:45] asmussen: The remotes they are talking about maybe came from other non-MCE hauppauge cards?
[07:53:48] Penfold: mine has a USB IR receiver
[07:54:07] Penfold: (came from a new boxed PVR150 about a month ago)
[07:54:55] wagner: i didnt know you could still buy new boxed PVR150s
[07:55:08] wagner: i thought the boxes actually contained HVR1600s
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[07:55:36] hachi: I read that rumor like... 6 months ago
[07:55:40] ** Penfold shrugs. Ebay purchase, so your guess is as good as mine how long it had been on someone's shelf **
[07:55:40] hachi: wasn't true in my area
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[08:04:58] netpro25: asmussen: what does this mean: ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/desktop/2009_20080610033839.mpg
[08:06:20] clever: maybe GetPlaybackURL is UNABLE TO FIND LOCAL FILE ON desktop!
[08:06:29] netpro25: lol
[08:06:47] netpro25: yes but it looks like a path, wondering if its trying to use that as a path
[08:07:00] clever: it is
[08:07:08] clever: the thing returns the error msg as an invalid path
[08:07:18] clever: which then fails somewhere else causing it to actualy give up
[08:07:38] clever: looks a bit hacky to me
[08:07:46] netpro25: yes
[08:07:56] clever: but so is the xv fix im in the middle of writing:P
[08:08:14] netpro25: heh
[08:08:25] clever: whenever the focus enters/leaves mythfrontend
[08:08:31] clever: something redraws the window
[08:08:38] clever: and half the time it doesnt draw the colorkey
[08:08:49] clever: leaving me with a solid black window
[08:11:36] netpro25: what could be causing this error: Preview Error: Previewer file '/home/mmanning/mythtv/2009_20080610040925.mpg' is not valid?
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[08:16:17] hachi: what type of remote is an MCE remote?
[08:16:31] hachi: like... isn't there an RC code or something, my brain is fragmented on this stuff
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[08:31:33] clever: !log
[08:31:43] clever: !url logs
[08:31:43] MythLogBot: logs: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1
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[08:45:05] famicom: goddammit
[08:45:13] famicom: anyone here familiar with epgdata.com
[08:45:16] famicom: or better yet
[08:45:22] famicom: any of the people operating it here
[08:45:38] justinh: oh oh oh oh oh! VOD over IPTV is the foootchah I tells ya! NOT: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a985 . . . oncerns.html
[08:46:22] justinh: epgdata.com – that's that renegade european xml thingy innit?
[08:46:40] famicom: anyone seen laga
[08:46:42] famicom: yeah
[08:46:47] famicom: and it's fail
[08:46:49] justinh: !seen laga
[08:46:49] MythLogBot: laga was last seen 5 days 13 hours 2 minutes 42 seconds ago
[08:47:07] justinh: maybe catch him in #ubuntu-mythtv
[08:47:43] famicom: yeah
[08:47:48] famicom: i caught him allready
[08:51:31] justinh: so the great white hope for the future for some people is already starting to look even more restrictive & anti-competitive. Duh – like nobody say THAT coming :)
[08:52:03] Solv: anyone know how i can uninstall the nvidia legacy driver and update to the new driver in knoppmyth? I have just updated my old ti4200 with a geforce 8400gs...nobody is around in the knoppmyth channel...i'm not very good with debian stuff
[08:52:30] justinh: tried RTFMing on driver installation in the knoppmyth wiki?
[08:52:41] justinh: I should imagine they have that covered
[08:54:44] Solv: yeah i can't find anything...like i don't even know how to remove the legacy modules...tried apt-get remove...tried module-assistant...and just tried running the nvidia script which failed
[09:01:49] directhex: in pure debian, the module is compiled into a package with a name like nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)
[09:01:58] directhex: use dpkg -l nvidia\* | grep ^ii
[09:03:24] Solv: ta
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[09:09:42] Solv: okay so i removed the nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-kernel-legacy module, and tried to run the install script but it failed...i can post the log if anyone would understand it..cause i don't...I've never had the nvidia-installer fail on me before...is there an easier way to do it? like an apt-get install nvidia-glx or something?
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[09:14:39] Solv: okay...apt-get install nvidai-glx seems to have worked
[09:14:51] Solv: it at least installed it..and modprobe seems okay...time to reboot
[09:28:18] Solv: wohoooo...thanks guys...works great
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[09:47:19] leprasmurf: hello all. does anyone have an lircd.conf for an IR blaster and an SA Explorer 4200?
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[11:20:46] leprasmurf: when configuring an Ir blaster does anyone know if it shows up as a seperate device with (irsend LIST "" "") or if it shows up at all?
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[11:34:41] psofa: anyone knows if this works with all multiproto cards? or is it skystar hd2 specific? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5403
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[13:05:24] leprasmurf: anyone know how I would go about creating an irblasterd.conf for a STB (specifically the Scientific Atlantic Explorer 4400)?
[13:06:05] thoraxe: leprasmurf: you can use irrecord can't you?
[13:06:48] leprasmurf: thoraxe: it's funny you mention that, I just came across a note in a prebuilt for that:-)
[13:06:57] leprasmurf: thoraxe: tyvm, I thought I'd hit a dead end
[13:11:58] thoraxe: np man. just be glad you don't have a PVR150
[13:12:04] thoraxe: cuz that blaster is poop.
[13:20:00] sid3windr: hmm, a pvr150 includes a blaster?
[13:20:02] sid3windr: damn :p
[13:20:16] sid3windr: I bought one from irblaster.info and have a pvr150 on order ;)
[13:20:44] thoraxe: sid3windr: the pvr150 remote and receiver work well. the blaster is very doodoo
[13:21:04] leprasmurf: thoraxe: actually I do have a 150, but it doesn't have a remote
[13:21:13] leprasmurf: thoraxe: isn't it only the model that comes with the remote?
[13:21:21] thoraxe: leprasmurf: the capture part of the 150 works well. the 350 also comes with a remote iirc
[13:21:57] leprasmurf: thoraxe: I have a pvr 150, and bought a streamzap pc remote, then bought a blaster from irblaster.info
[13:22:30] leprasmurf: thoraxe: I agree it works nicely for recording, and the onboard mpeg2 encoding chip is especially nice:-)
[13:23:41] thoraxe: the pvr150 receiver (if you got one with a remote) won't work with anything but hauppauge remotes
[13:24:02] thoraxe: does the irblaster.info also receive?
[13:24:17] thoraxe: or does the streamzap come with a receiver?
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[13:25:03] leprasmurf: the streamzap comes with a reciever, I don't believe the irblaster.info one recieves as well, I believe it's just a transmitter (at least the one I got, they may have a different model)
[13:25:24] leprasmurf: but I'm using the streamzap's reciever with irrecord to create the config file
[13:25:33] flithm: hey everyone... I'm looking to purchase an OTA HDTV card for my myth setup, and I'm curious if there's a generally accepted best card for OTA stuff in canada / US? I saw on the wiki that some users are reporting bad reception with the pchdtv 5500, so I thought I might as well come ask for opinions?
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[13:25:47] thoraxe: leprasmurf: you should be all good then
[13:26:03] thoraxe: for the price the PVR150 is great... $100 bux for pretty decent MPEG2 encoding
[13:26:06] leprasmurf: thoraxe: yeah, as soon as I get the blaster working with the crappy STB my cable company provided:-)
[13:26:43] thoraxe: i wonder how HD would look if you ran composite/svideo into it from an HD source
[13:27:57] mobrien: flithm: I would recommend the HD Homerun
[13:28:09] flithm: mobrien: is that the silicondust one?
[13:28:17] mobrien: yes
[13:28:30] mobrien: after dealing with many PCI ATSC cards, I'm very happy w/ the HDHR
[13:28:49] flithm: mobrien: nice... did you try out the pchdtv one?
[13:28:50] mobrien: ver simple, great reception
[13:28:53] mobrien: s/ver/very
[13:29:32] mobrien: can you get 5500 very cheap?
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[13:29:38] mobrien: otherwise, hdhr is much better buy
[13:29:50] mobrien: i had good results w/ 5500, though
[13:29:57] flithm: mobrien: no, it's kind of expensive actually... sending to Canada, so with shipping and duty it's like 200 bucks
[13:30:05] mobrien: why not hdhr?
[13:30:09] mobrien: 2 tuners for price of `1
[13:31:08] flithm: mobrien: yeah I'm thinking this is what I'm gonna do now... thanks for the advice! just out of curioisty, how does this hdhr work? it looks like a networked appliance? pretty cool actually
[13:31:16] mobrien: yes, networked
[13:31:20] mobrien: no driver wrangling required
[13:31:32] flithm: awesome
[13:31:54] flithm: so you can really stream hdtv over a 100 megabit connection eh? huh
[13:32:22] Dibblah: Of course you can.
[13:32:54] Dibblah: HD streams are not as big as people think.
[13:33:30] flithm: yeah now that I think about it... of course is right. this hdhr box looks great!
[13:33:47] mobrien: yeah
[13:33:50] mobrien: most hd streams < 20mbit
[13:34:05] mobrien: many are closer to 10mbit, even MPEG2
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[13:35:45] mobrien: unfortunately (thanks, comcast, for the heavy recompression)
[13:37:15] flithm: so... being new to HDTV signals... I notice the HDHR supports ATSC and QAM, but no NTSC. is this an issue? is NTSC only for standard def?
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[13:39:21] sid3windr: I guess atsc is hd ntsc
[13:39:33] sid3windr: as a pure guess from an uninformed european embracing dvb ;)
[13:40:05] flithm: :)
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[13:42:52] lyricnz: Anyone run mythfrontend on a mac? Having some issues with that myself...
[13:47:05] JohnMahowald: lyricnz: Sometimes.
[13:47:34] lyricnz: (1) the buttons in the UI have white background, making them justabout unreadable
[13:48:08] lyricnz: (2) UI performance seems pretty sluggish, visible tearing playing video, forward/backward taking several sections to action
[13:48:13] lyricnz: Do you get either of those?
[13:48:31] JohnMahowald: Buttons hard to read, yes
[13:48:53] JohnMahowald: Performance isn't all that good but my mac is an old iBook
[13:49:10] lyricnz: and textfields etc; kindof odd, since it *mostly* works fine
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[13:49:34] ** lyricnz on six-month old macbook pro, would have thought that was adequate **
[13:49:34] thoraxe: are you guys happy with your irblaster.info units?
[13:50:27] EvilGuru: lyricnz: It is Qt3 more than anything else. If I boot my iBook into Linux things are fine, but in OS X mythfrontend is sluggish
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[13:52:23] lyricnz: same with opengl renderer?
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[13:53:19] lyricnz: Man, the resolution-selection is a drag, can't type in numbers, need to hold the button for ages....
[13:54:07] funburn: my rip jobs don't start the transcode when the rip is complete
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[13:54:19] funburn: it rips then deletes the vob directory and exits
[13:54:26] funburn: I'm using svn
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[14:07:19] lyricnz: JohnMahowald: setting the Qt Style to "Windows" makes the fonts readable again
[14:07:51] lyricnz: JohnMahowald: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_ . . . unctionality
[14:08:54] JohnMahowald: OK.
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[14:25:36] DarkD: any one know where i can get a SMALL case for amyth box?
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[14:30:27] dustybin: DarkD: apple mac mini :P
[14:30:42] dustybin: you cannot get a small backend box
[14:30:55] EvilGuru: Since when did MS get a sense of humour? "We understand that not everyone may agree with our decision—just as not everyone was happy to see Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows ME retire (OK, perhaps not ME)."
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[14:31:48] dustybin: EvilGuru: sense humour = weakness
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[14:37:37] DarkD: hmmm not a bad idea
[14:38:14] DarkD: whats the video mac called?
[14:38:24] XLV: DarkD, for something cheaper and less powerfull, asus eee pc
[14:38:33] DarkD: but no video out?
[14:39:33] JohnMahowald: video mac would be Apple TV
[14:39:50] DarkD: hmmm apple tv 250 bucks... hmmm..
[14:40:02] GreyFoxx: Oh god....
[14:40:02] DarkD: i wonder if i can convert a APPLE TV into a myth box :-P
[14:40:06] GreyFoxx: Subject: IMAP AND POP3
[14:40:06] GreyFoxx: >Understand that you can both IMAP and POP3 mail. What protocol do you use to POP mail?
[14:40:11] GreyFoxx: Please kill me now
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[14:40:29] DarkD: LOL.....
[14:40:33] DarkD: POP2 !!! POP2!!!
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[14:41:23] XLV: DarkD, http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=3321&p=2 no it doesnt have tv out.. but it has dvi so it can do hdmi, and i guess you can make a dvi analog vga to rgb converter
[14:42:10] XLV: it should handle sd content... while mac mini shouldnt handle the heavier h264/vc1 content decoding..
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[14:42:56] dustybin: DarkD: we are now in 2008, everything you think of hardware wise should be HD ready, read this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV
[14:43:09] DarkD: dustybin: yeh i see what your saying
[14:43:14] dustybin: buying hardware what is only SD capable in 2008 is a waste of money IMO
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[14:43:25] DarkD: xlv: but now what about apple tv.. samller and sleaker looking.
[14:43:34] DarkD: HDMI is perfectly fine.. forgot about it..
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[14:43:43] dustybin: apple tv isnt powerful enough for broadcast h.264
[14:43:43] otwin: DarkD: appletv make a nice SD frontend: http://code.google.com/p/atv-bootloader/
[14:44:10] DarkD: basically.. i wanna use it as a PVR box.. so acusus is no hd space w/o a usb drive.
[14:44:27] dustybin: however, the apple mac mini, there have been tests done with BBC HD channel, and it seems to work
[14:44:31] funburn: any idea why myth Rip/Transcode doesn't do the transcode bit? I'm using head
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[14:44:53] funburn: as soon as the rip is complete, the task deletes the vob dir and exits
[14:45:23] DarkD: odd.. cause all over the net they rave about APPLE TV being HD...
[14:45:30] DarkD: its got FIREWIRE in right?
[14:45:44] dustybin: it works with their specially coded HD, but not standard broadcast hd
[14:45:45] otwin: DarkD: mpeg2 HD – yes
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[14:46:12] DarkD: otwin: not mpeg4..
[14:46:50] dustybin: you need a box what can do h.264, a rough guess, a C2D CPU of around 2.4 + should put you in the safe ground
[14:46:51] otwin: DarkD: no hw accelaration for anything but mpeg2
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[14:47:07] DarkD: hmmm..
[14:47:17] DarkD: wait does it even have a firewire on iy?
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[14:47:44] DarkD: hmmm
[14:47:46] DarkD: "Supported Video Formats H.264, MPEG 4 "
[14:48:04] dustybin: DarkD: what CPU does the Apple TV use?
[14:48:17] funburn: did I join the Apple TV channel?
[14:48:36] otwin: dustybin: pentium M 1,0ghz
[14:48:40] DarkD: funburn: no but it looks like a nice box to through myth on :)
[14:48:52] dustybin: otwin: well there you guy, it just isnt powerful enough
[14:48:54] dustybin: go
[14:49:13] DarkD: "MPEG-4: Up to 3 Mbps, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps (maximum resolution: 720 by 432 pixels at 30 fps) in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
[14:49:44] DarkD: LOL
[14:49:45] DarkD: Processor and storage
[14:49:45] DarkD: Intel processor
[14:49:51] DarkD: dont even say what processor
[14:50:07] funburn: am I the only one who's had trouble with myth Rip/Transcode transcoding then?
[14:50:31] DarkD: It is powered by an officially unspecified "Intel processor" — a 1 GHz "Dothan" Pentium M — and equipped with 256 MB of onboard DDR2 SDRAM and a 40 GB hard drive "for storing content locally"
[14:51:17] DarkD: its got a GeForce Go 7300*
[14:52:47] EvilGuru: DarkD: Heh, I bet I have some SD MPEG2 files which would get it into a fit
[14:53:00] DarkD: :-P
[14:53:14] DarkD: well so much for that...
[14:53:25] DarkD: its ok thoguh im SOO disapointed with the HD progamming on Rogers Cable...
[14:53:29] dustybin: repeat after me, "The Apple TV is Rubbish"
[14:53:45] otwin: dustybin: for HD...
[14:54:21] DarkD: liek i said.. nice toy.. wont work as well as i hopedb
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[15:04:15] DarkD: ooo net split
[15:04:16] DarkD: havent seen those in a while
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[15:17:20] EvilGuru: Heh, we've been having loads the past week or so
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[15:45:47] teprrr: hi, should the picture disappear when one is running mythtv in windowed mode and the window is not active?
[15:46:02] teprrr: I can still hear the sound and so on, and picture will reappear when I activate the window
[15:47:49] directhex: no, it shouldn't
[15:48:04] directhex: sounds like a problem with the video ouput module you've asked to use, and your graphics card driver
[15:48:08] directhex: radeon?
[15:48:43] teprrr: intel, integrated one. running the backend on different machine if it means anything
[15:49:14] directhex: should it?
[15:49:31] teprrr: I doubt
[15:49:31] directhex: which window manager are you using?
[15:49:40] teprrr: kwin, without compisiting
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[15:53:46] iamlindoro__: Which video renderer?
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[15:55:22] teprrr: hmm, where can I check it? tried to search the menus without success
[15:55:25] teprrr: but I think it's xv
[15:55:44] iamlindoro__: It's in Playback Profiles under TV Settings->Playback
[15:55:57] iamlindoro__: Anyway, Xv ought to work
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[15:58:08] teprrr: yeah, xv-blit is in use
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[16:00:26] teprrr: xshm works fine
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[16:18:23] teprrr: thanks anyway :)
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[16:52:27] ChrisC36: does mythtv not work with the wintv-hvr-1600? i cant get it to recognize it , it seems
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[16:54:09] iamlindoro__: Yes, Myth will work with the 1600
[16:54:27] iamlindoro__: So long as the card is set up properly and you use the mpeg-2 encoder card type, it ought to work fine
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[16:55:23] ChrisC36: what do you mean if the card is set up properly?
[16:55:32] wagner: the hvr-1600 is still considered 'beta' at this moment
[16:55:47] iamlindoro__: wagner, No, it is mainline
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[16:56:00] wagner: but it should be auto-detected by the IVTV and V4L-DVB drivers
[16:56:24] wagner: iamlindoro__: ah, i guess the wiki just hasnt been updated yet
[16:56:36] iamlindoro__: yeah, not updated yet-- it tends to lag a bit sadly
[16:56:45] iamlindoro__: I only step up to say so because I got it from the horses mouth :)
[16:57:27] iamlindoro__: ChrisC36, as in, you compiled and installed the v4l Hg tip, and installed the drivers and firmware for it
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[16:58:59] wagner: you still have to deal with firmware??? ugh...
[16:59:09] wagner: brings back nightmares from the former days of ivtv
[16:59:20] iamlindoro__: Well, you *still* have to deal with firmware in ivtv
[16:59:25] iamlindoro__: it's just included in more distros
[16:59:50] wagner: well *you* dont have to, ivtv just deals with it for you
[17:00:24] ChrisC36: ya under mpeg-2, probed info: Failed to open
[17:00:31] iamlindoro__: wagner, You still have to download firmware and put it somewhere ivtv can load it... which is all you have to do for the HVR-1600
[17:00:46] ChrisC36: iamlindoro I have no idea how to do all that – i thoguht mythbuntu is supposed to setup your hardware for you?
[17:01:27] iamlindoro__: ChrisC36, Only hardware whose support is included in the kernel it comes with
[17:01:45] iamlindoro__: And the HVR-1600 is new, so requires manual intervention on your part
[17:01:56] ChrisC36: is it a lot of work?
[17:02:06] iamlindoro__: I guess it depends on your level of expertise
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[17:02:16] ChrisC36: i'm medium at linux
[17:02:23] iamlindoro__: Then it will be medium hard :)
[17:02:45] wagner: as long as youre familiar with the command line, it shouldnt be too difficult
[17:02:49] iamlindoro__: http://www.linuxtv.org/repo/
[17:03:04] iamlindoro__: That will give you the instructions to clone Hg, and how to compile it
[17:03:23] iamlindoro__: if your build environment is set up (and it's probably not on Mythbuntu, but it should tell you what to apt-get) then it should work fine
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[17:04:01] iamlindoro__: ie when you go "hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb" it will probably say "Hg is part of package mercurial, to get it apt-get install mercurial, etc. etc."
[17:04:22] iamlindoro__: you'll also need to apt-get install build-essential
[17:04:34] iamlindoro__: and kernel sources and headers for your kernel
[17:04:49] ChrisC36: maybe i'll just go buy another tvcard
[17:04:57] ChrisC36: whats the best one to get
[17:05:11] iamlindoro__: for analog, or digital?
[17:05:20] ChrisC36: analog
[17:05:22] iamlindoro__: Analog, a PVR-150 or 500. Digital you have many many many choices
[17:05:45] iamlindoro__: But It's a problem you can probably solve with a bit of work, no need to throw money at it without even *trying*
[17:06:05] iamlindoro__: they can help you in #linuxtv if you have too much trouble with the compiling of the modules
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[17:06:32] wagner: besides, if your wary of compiling stuff now, mythtv probably isnt for you
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[17:08:43] ChrisC36: well what other options do I have for pvr software that can record tv and omit commercials automatically?
[17:08:50] ChrisC36: i could install any os on this box
[17:09:40] iamlindoro__: We only really speak MythTV here, I have no idea what other PVRs have commercial autoskip
[17:09:44] beandog: Its going to be work no matter which OS you use
[17:10:01] beandog: somewhere along the line, youre just going to have to get in there and figure out how to get your card working
[17:10:11] beandog: and there's not going to be an automated process for it
[17:10:26] ChrisC36: well i installed one on windows and it was dead easy
[17:10:39] ChrisC36: and everythign worked
[17:10:51] ChrisC36: but doesnt have commercial skipping
[17:10:53] wagner: beandog: thats not entirely true, the older cards are pretty much automated
[17:10:55] iamlindoro__: Because your comfort level is with Windows... for many of us here, Myth is far easier because that's where our knowledge lies
[17:11:05] beandog: wagner, yah, thats true
[17:11:14] beandog: so *newer* cards, its going to be difficult.
[17:11:15] iamlindoro__: And because PVRs on windows make me want to claw out my own eyes, too
[17:11:15] wagner: last time i installed my mythbox, i installed ivtv, and it automatically did everything needed for my 150s
[17:11:43] ChrisC36: what i mean by easy is i didnt have to jump thru any hoops to have the card working, just install driver from website
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[17:11:52] ChrisC36: and the pvr software just worked
[17:11:54] sphery: ChrisC36: comskip is a Windows port of an old snapshot of MythTV's mythcommflag. It will identify commercials for you (from there, though, it would be your responsibility to "do the right thing"--transcode or just skip on play)
[17:12:45] iamlindoro__: ChrisC36, And for us, there is *one* site from which to get drivers and install them, dead easy. linuxtv.org. It's just a different method of installing them that might be unfamiliar to Windows users
[17:12:45] ChrisC36: i believe it was beyondtv – it was pretty good\
[17:12:55] sphery: ChrisC36: Oh, and Myth is not a PVR (Personal Video Recorder), it's a DVR (and not "Digital Video Recorder," but "Developer Video Recorder" :)
[17:13:00] iamlindoro__: No fuss, no muss.
[17:13:15] sphery: comskip: http://www.kaashoek.com/comskip/
[17:13:36] beandog: sphery, heh, well said.
[17:13:39] wagner: IMO, the entire purpose of mythtv, and linux in general, is that it is completely open, so you can get down and dirty with it
[17:13:50] wagner: and if you dont do so from time to time, you arent really using it properly
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[17:14:04] wagner: if everything is automated, whats the fun in that
[17:14:05] ChrisC36: doint the right thing never includes watching commercials :)
[17:14:07] sphery: If you want BeyondTV with commercial skipping, all you need to do is download the source code and modify it to use data from comskip.
[17:14:10] beandog: wagner, agreed
[17:14:16] sphery: Oh, wait, you can't do that with proprietary software...
[17:14:34] GreyFoxx: does GB-PVR do any sort of commercial detection ?
[17:14:39] beandog: ChrisC36, what card do you have?
[17:15:10] sphery: GreyFoxx: good question. No "commercial" anywhere on the features page.
[17:15:34] sphery: I'd put that pretty high on MythTV's feature list (generally about #3 for me :)
[17:15:35] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[17:15:39] iamlindoro__: beandog, it's an HVR-1600... I was trying to explain that getting Hg from linuxtv isn't too hard
[17:15:53] beandog: oh ok
[17:16:03] beandog: never even heard of it.
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[17:16:14] sphery: Though there is a wiki page about comskip: http://gbpvr.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Utility/Co . . . nual.ComSkip
[17:16:16] iamlindoro__: apt-get install build-essential mercurial $whateverkernelheadersarecalled $whateverkernelsourcesarecalled, then follow the three steps in the wiki
[17:16:37] sphery: and commtweak: http://gbpvr.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Plugin/ComTweak
[17:17:09] sphery: ChrisC36: So, GreyFoxx's suggestion may be exactly what you want: the ease of Windows (?) with commercial skipping.
[17:17:13] wagner: ChrisC36: to get my HVR-1250 working (pre 2.6.24 kernel) i had to do the same thing
[17:17:29] wagner: it was relatively trivial
[17:18:12] wagner: grab kernel sources, recompile kernel to remove DVB support, install kernel, grab v4l-dvb;hg, compile, install, reboot
[17:19:14] ChrisC36: ok i will try it , in a few days – after i finish my taxes and get lasik surgery – all scheduled for this week :)
[17:19:17] wagner: if you check out the gentoo howtos, they give a good explination about what you should have in your kernel
[17:19:17] iamlindoro__: And with Ubuntu you shouldn't need to do the kernel recompile it should work fine just with getting Hq and compiling it
[17:19:27] iamlindoro__: Hg
[17:19:50] wagner: ubuntu uses a userland dvb rather than a kernel dvb?
[17:19:58] iamlindoro__: Module-everything, yes
[17:20:17] ChrisC36: i did all this work so far to setup the computer
[17:20:19] wagner: module-everything, yes... but is it a userland module or a kernel module
[17:20:37] wagner: the loaders get funky when you have both installed
[17:20:48] wagner: although i suppose you could manually delete the kernel module
[17:20:57] iamlindoro__: Kernel modules-- But I know from experience that simply compiling and installing Hg works fine, no kernel recompile needed
[17:22:21] wagner: ok, ubuntu may be different but gentoo keeps kernel modules separate from anything else you compile and install, and its not happy when you have both
[17:23:09] iamlindoro__: No v4l experience w/ gentoo here, so I'll defer on that. w/r/t Debian and Ubuntu, though, both work fine w/o a kernel recompile
[17:23:29] beandog: well just poke me for any gentoo stuff, I help maintain both myth and ivtv
[17:23:51] Dagmar: beandog: What's the deal with that videodev2.h header, man?
[17:24:10] beandog: Dagmar, eh?
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[17:24:38] Dagmar: beandog: Two of the utils in the release tarball call videodev2.h in includes.
[17:24:51] Dagmar: Neither of them should be able to get the file on a normal system
[17:25:20] beandog: well the release is outdated anyway
[17:25:23] beandog: so, I dunno
[17:25:25] beandog: havent looked at it
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[17:25:59] wagner: release being... 2007.0?
[17:28:42] Dagmar: beandog: Actualy I posted to the ivtv-users list about it about two weeks ago, and it's the only thing I've posted there
[17:29:22] Dagmar: Here we go http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/us . . . ev2.h;#38390
[17:29:46] Dagmar: It's not a straightforward problem, so it's not like I'm expecting an easy answer or something
[17:30:06] Dagmar: Just, someone with "mad v4l2 skills" needs to be made aware of it, because they're the only people who are going to know how to fix is
[17:30:09] Dagmar: s/is/it/;
[17:30:32] Dagmar: Basically, ivtv-1.1.x and on aren't going to compile on most people's machines because of a recent change to v4l2
[17:30:39] Dagmar: Of this I am *certain*&
[17:30:46] beandog: oh okay
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[17:33:17] Dagmar: I'll report to the ivtv-dev list--I meant to do that last week but I forgor
[17:33:25] Dagmar: s/forgor/forgot/;
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[17:45:10] justinh: kinelle. some tracks on itunes (beggars can't be choosers I'm afraid) have really shite levels. ok so I can amp them up but that loses resolution
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[18:11:15] wagner: justinh: wrong room?
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[18:11:43] iamlindoro__: no, he's just been around long enough that he's earned the right to be OT :)
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[18:12:31] wagner: well hes also talking to himself because i dont see a 'kinelle' in the user list
[18:12:50] iamlindoro__: "fuckin hell"
[18:13:28] wagner: well thats an awkward abbreviation
[18:13:46] iamlindoro__: You must not speak english-english :)
[18:13:59] wagner: apparently not
[18:14:54] wagner: although i have to wonder if those tracks were actually improperly mastered, or if they were properly mastered and not recompressed like most garbage studios put out these days
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[18:16:33] wagner: im off to work
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[18:23:57] killaz: How can I refill the movie table/data of mythtv? The reason is that one way or the other I have some movies 2x in the database
[18:24:27] iamlindoro__: killaz, change the directory it pools, enter the video manager to clear it. Change the directory back, enter video manager again.
[18:24:38] iamlindoro__: s/pools/polls/
[18:25:36] keith4: won't that lose all of his metadata?
[18:25:43] keith4: oh, nm. that's... what he wants
[18:25:46] iamlindoro__: yep
[18:26:52] killaz: iamlindoro__: before I do that can't I just remove the fields that one way or the other are 2x in teh database, actually these are only two entries
[18:28:08] keith4: that makes more sense
[18:28:49] keith4: you could just move those two movies out of the folder that it monitors
[18:28:54] keith4: or, delete the row from the database
[18:29:43] killaz: keith4: the problem is after I removed the movies and put them back. Again it shows me two entries in the database
[18:30:09] keith4: when you removed them, did you go into the video manager?
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[18:30:20] keith4: and did it ask you "this file seems to be missing. remove it from the database?"
[18:30:24] killaz: yes...
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[18:31:13] killaz: and then when I went to the mythweb the two superfluous entries came back
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[18:31:34] keith4: you only gave one answer
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[18:34:53] killaz: keith4: no it didn't
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[18:35:04] yaddayadda: i have a question about encoding settings for hardware mpeg-2 encoders
[18:35:08] yaddayadda: if anyone knows
[18:35:23] keith4: killaz: then it didn't remove anything from the database
[18:35:36] Dagmar: yadda: The defaults should be fine
[18:35:37] keith4: thus, you are seeing expected behavior
[18:35:46] yaddayadda: is there a reason that video bitrates are capped at a minimum of 1000 kbps?
[18:35:56] yaddayadda: is this hardware, or just the developers' preferences?
[18:36:04] killaz: keith4: I understand, but should it remove it when I have moved the file to another place?
[18:36:11] Dagmar: You can stand looking at captures below that rate?
[18:36:13] killaz: shouldn't
[18:36:21] iamlindoro__: Heck, I can't even stand captures *near* that rate
[18:36:35] yaddayadda: it looks good set to mpeg-1 vcd as the codec
[18:36:41] killaz: I want it to rescan the folder for missing movies
[18:36:46] keith4: killaz: mythvideo only looks for video files in the place where you tell it to... if you move a file out of that magic place, it should complain
[18:36:49] yaddayadda: but the specific reason was that i wanted to get it low enough to stream over the web
[18:36:53] Dagmar: yaddayadda: You gotta understand that MPEG2 encodes pretty fast, but it doesn't compress very well.
[18:37:03] yaddayadda: that's true
[18:37:12] keith4: killaz: but only if you actually going into setup, and into the video manager
[18:37:19] iamlindoro__: So use the mythweb streaming, which transcodes on the fly
[18:37:19] Dagmar: If you're trying to save disk space, just leave the defaults alone and set up a _transcoding_ job/profile to convert the things to XviD afterwards
[18:37:29] Dagmar: With XviD, 1024 is really sweet
[18:37:57] yaddayadda: would it be possible to get below 1000 kbps, regardless of the quality?
[18:38:03] Dagmar: ...and generally you want the recording you transcode *from* to be as nice a quality as possible
[18:38:15] Dagmar: yaddayadda: It might be, but it's going to look awful
[18:38:17] killaz: keith4: I'm telling you I moved it and I am in the video manager.... and I see the beam running.. but it doesn't give me that message. So I guess it is not behaving as it should
[18:38:27] iamlindoro__: yaddayadda, If you're trying to watch over the web, that ability is already present in mythweb
[18:38:36] yaddayadda: for live tv as well?
[18:38:37] iamlindoro__: with on the fly transcoding
[18:38:40] iamlindoro__: nope
[18:38:58] iamlindoro__: But you can just start a recording from mythweb, then go watch it
[18:39:02] Dagmar: Trying to watch over the web is beyond the "normal" scope of Myth
[18:39:08] keith4: killaz: you "see the beam running"? wtf?
[18:39:11] killaz: keith4: so now I'm trying to give it a *push* to rescan
[18:39:17] killaz: keki
[18:39:45] keith4: keki?
[18:41:49] Dagmar: ...it's also one of those spaces that's likely to eventually get someone sued.
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[18:42:09] Dagmar: At least with MythWeb it's not going to be an issue because it's a web interface to begin with
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[18:50:46] sphery: yaddayadda: The max (and min) video bitrate allowed for VCD is ~1150kbps, so any valid VCD encoder should be using the spec's defined bitrate and not some value you provide.
[18:51:50] yaddayadda: sphery: would it be possible to get any encoder below 1000? i'm completely ignoring how bad it would look, and just seeing if it's possible to get the bandwidth use slow enough
[18:52:37] iamlindoro__: yaddayadda, that's what we keep telling you-- only with a transcode after the fact
[18:52:50] iamlindoro__: *or* kick off a recording of something going on live in mythweb, and watch it from there
[18:52:57] yaddayadda: ok
[18:55:06] justinh: placeshifting – hope it never catches on
[18:55:52] ** justinh wishes a pox on whoever makes those stupid trapezoids **
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[18:57:41] iamlindoro__: "Thank you all for your help! i'm sorry that what I'm trying to do isn't possible, but you've all been very helpful."
[18:57:49] iamlindoro__: Hahahahah, sometimes I crack myself up
[18:57:55] sphery: lol
[18:58:48] sphery: Really, though, you all are right. To get such a low bitrate with any kind of quality, it needs to do VBR with multipass (and use a pretty nice low-bitrate CODEC), so it's not really appropriate for Myth's real-time recording.
[18:59:12] sphery: Too bad he couldn't see good advice when it was presented to him.
[18:59:38] iamlindoro__: I just don't understand what's so hard about using mythweb when he purports to want to "watch over the web"
[19:00:27] iamlindoro__: I wonder if he intends to watch w/ mythfrontend and this is one of those "the internet = the web" moments
[19:00:42] sphery: I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would "watch over the web" when HDD's are cheap ($100 or less for 750GB) and /much/ higher bandwidth than Cable Co. X's upstream bandwidth.
[19:01:42] sphery: iamlindoro__: you mean there's more to the Internet than the web? I /only/ use the web (as should be perfectly clear to anyone reading my statements in IRC ;)
[19:02:13] iamlindoro__: Haha
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[19:10:36] sphery: The whole broadcast flag--I mean SOC--discussion on mythtv-users list is pretty funny, especially the timing of it. Just when the HD-PVR comes out, Hollywood tries to bring the broadcast flag back to try to make it less useful.
[19:11:21] sphery: (though this is more of a re-broadcast flag as it will only apply to re-broadcasters, such as cable and satellite companies, that require STB's)
[19:16:17] iamlindoro__: sphery, I laughed at the guy seeking technical support on the HD-PVR in spite of it having 0 linux or myth support as of right now
[19:16:33] iamlindoro__: "Erm, you video geeks must know something about this shit."
[19:16:41] sphery: heh
[19:17:14] sphery: Always a great way to ask for help, too. Just a modicum of respect is apparent in that statement.
[19:17:37] iamlindoro__: Well, I was being goofy, he didn't say that :)
[19:17:58] iamlindoro__: I just propose that as the rationale behind asking the question in the first place
[19:18:02] sphery: Oh. Wouldn't have surprised me if he had, though.  :0
[19:19:31] iamlindoro__: Hmm.. has something brought Google to its knees?
[19:19:41] sphery: working for me
[19:19:47] sphery: perhaps you're just asking too much of it.
[19:19:53] iamlindoro__: Heh, entirely possible
[19:20:00] iamlindoro__: Weird, maybe just the server it paired me up with
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[19:20:12] sphery: could be
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[19:34:05] bsdfox_: anyone know the command that mythvideo runs when I enter "video manager" I want to add it to my script so it'll auto update
[19:34:39] sphery: bsdfox_: it's not a command, it's code in MythVideo
[19:34:53] sphery: there is no (official) command-line client for it
[19:35:00] bsdfox_: damn
[19:35:26] GreyFoxx: Unless you are looking to auto fill in imdb data there really is no need to auto run video manager
[19:35:40] GreyFoxx: set it to browse the files and you will see non "imported" videos
[19:35:58] bsdfox_: GreyFoxx: that's what I'm using it for :P
[19:36:34] GreyFoxx: ahh
[19:36:46] asmussen: Oooo... Nothing official yet, but Janneg said that he hopes to get out a public driver release today for the HD PVR.
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[19:38:10] iamlindoro__: asmussen, way to front him out in a logged room. Nice.
[19:38:13] iamlindoro__: ;)
[19:38:23] asmussen: heh
[19:38:36] iamlindoro__: there's a 8reason* #hdpvr exists and isn't logged ya know :)
[19:38:43] Anduin: bsdfox_: you can look at find_meta.py, though I'll most likely break the bulk stuff in the future
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[19:42:04] iamlindoro__: I wonder if I can go home early if all I have to do is watch this array rebuild
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[19:44:19] asmussen: Sure. In fact, take the rest of the week off. Tell them I ok'd it.
[19:44:46] iamlindoro__: Sweet!
[19:45:14] MrGandalf: does anyone know how to save an audio stream using dvbsnoop in section mode and have it be usable?
[19:47:04] MrGandalf: I take it not then.
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[19:48:33] iamlindoro__: I don't, but maybe one of the guys in #linuxtv would have a better idea, they tend to have a better handle on the dvb-tools stuff
[19:49:51] MrGandalf: possibly, but dvbsnoop isn't one of theirs either.. I know the Myth devs use it for debugging.
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[20:46:11] wagner: the challenge/response has been defeated?
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[20:52:58] justinh: wagner: allegedly
[20:53:16] justinh: took all of a day so the legend tells
[20:53:56] wagner: someone who knew what they were doing with cryptography finally sat down and did it
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[20:56:40] iamlindoro__: Or reverse-engineered the windows driver
[20:56:44] iamlindoro__: which is what really happened :)
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[20:57:43] wagner: i realize they just rev-enged it, but it still takes someone who knows how hashes work, or someone very good at assembler, to figure it out
[20:58:31] EvilGuru: Do Hauppauge mind that there is a driver?
[20:58:38] iamlindoro__: Or a guy using an online reference
[20:58:42] iamlindoro__: which is what really happened :)
[20:58:44] iamlindoro__: again
[20:58:53] iamlindoro__: EvilGuru, doesn't appear so
[20:59:05] wagner: bah... stop making it sound so trivial
[20:59:08] EvilGuru: Wonder why they used a hash in the first place
[20:59:30] iamlindoro__: wagner, It's not trivial, it was good work-- you are just assuming you know how it was done, and what kind of person did it... and you don't.
[20:59:31] wagner: one of the 3rd party chips they used required it (i think)
[20:59:40] iamlindoro__: EvilGuru, it's build into the Ambarella encoder
[21:00:54] justinh: god I really miss those record players you could stack like a zillion records on
[21:00:55] EvilGuru: Right
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[21:02:09] wagner: like... a jukebox?
[21:02:23] justinh: haha I don't think they ever existed for 12" vinyl
[21:03:13] justinh: you'd load a bunch of records onto a long central spindle & the tonearm would trigger releasing a new one on top of the last played
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[21:04:17] justinh: problem with dance music is that 12" vinyl is never 33 or 45 ;)
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[21:04:50] justinh: oops – it's always either 33 or 45 of course
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[21:08:09] wagner: 33 or 45 is the RPM?
[21:08:46] justinh: after tolerating audacity for a while I can see me sending a couple of patches in. I hate how you have to use CTRL when you mousewheel zoom – also can't stand how it doesn't centre the display on the cursor position when you zoom
[21:09:06] justinh: wagner: yeah they come in 2 flavours
[21:09:21] justinh: at least in Europe they do
[21:10:10] iamlindoro__: Still do over here too AFAIK
[21:11:30] iamlindoro__: justinh, now *that's* a playlist
[21:11:53] justinh: yeah the radiograms from days of old had em
[21:12:19] justinh: automated the tonearm with cams & jockey wheels
[21:12:54] justinh: sadly they never had a decent cartridge on em – and also not having the stylus at the right height isn't good but hey
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[21:33:27] KjetilK: Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation has been doing some rather clueful things, like putting out a few popular TV series on BitTorrent: http://nrkbeta.no/norwegian-broadcasting-nrk- . . . -bittorrent/
[21:33:53] iamlindoro__: Step two of this plan is "learn to speak Norwegian," isn't it?
[21:33:55] KjetilK: I'm trying to figure out what the easiest way to get to them with my MythTV box would be...
[21:34:22] KjetilK: iamlindoro__: probably "Norwegian is a dying language, lets do something to save it" :-)
[21:34:43] iamlindoro__: KjetilK, "Norwegian women are gorgeous and loose sexually" would do more for me
[21:35:23] iamlindoro__: Anyway, your best bet is to get them via your favorite torrent client, and dump them into your MythVideo directory
[21:35:56] EvilGuru: We need mythtorrentz!
[21:36:06] iamlindoro__: !trout EvilGuru troll
[21:36:06] ** MythLogBot slaps EvilGuru with a troll trout on behalf of iamlindoro__... **
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[21:36:58] KjetilK: hehe
[21:37:42] iamlindoro__: Wake me when "NRK after dark" is available for free :)
[21:37:48] KjetilK: iamlindoro__: actually, one of the other series they've done is a girl doing a "glamour-model" parody
[21:38:19] netpro25: Can someone help me with this error: RingBuf(/home/mmanning/mythtv/2000_20080610051138.mpg): Timing out wait due to impending livetv switch.
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[21:38:54] KjetilK: iamlindoro__: http://www.nrk.no/p3tv/coming-up/
[21:38:57] netpro25: i get this error first: 2008-06–10 10:36:49.685 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[21:39:13] iamlindoro__: Coming up had better be a clever double entendre
[21:39:28] netpro25: either way I am unable to watch tv it errors out
[21:40:00] iamlindoro__: netpro25, remote frontend, or backend/frontend combo?
[21:40:11] sphery: netpro25: filesystem permissions or NFS/CIFS update time
[21:40:30] netpro25: iamlindoro__: they are from backend
[21:40:47] iamlindoro__: ok... now let's answer the question I asked :)
[21:41:02] iamlindoro__: is your system a combined frontend/backend, or streamed over the network?
[21:41:14] netpro25: iamlindoro__: combined
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[21:41:25] sphery: (NFS/CIFS update time = noac/LookupCacheEnabled , respectively)
[21:41:31] iamlindoro__: sounds like sphery has a better handle on this
[21:41:34] netpro25: iamlindoro__: sorry about that
[21:41:58] netpro25: sphery: where do I change those settings?
[21:42:01] sphery: no, I'm just answering without listening to his answersw
[21:42:11] sphery: if you're not using NFS or CIFS, they won't apply
[21:42:18] sphery: in which case, it's filesystem permissions
[21:42:35] netpro25: sphery: I will 777 to test that theory
[21:42:43] asmussen: netpro25: I thought you had it working last night after you figured out the permissions problem on your storage directory?
[21:42:44] iamlindoro__: netpro25, Has this setup ever worked, or is it new?
[21:42:53] sphery: could, also, be device permissions (but on *nix, everything--including devices--is a file)
[21:43:02] netpro25: asmussen: yes it did, then i quit out of it and it stopped again
[21:43:21] sphery: what storage directory?
[21:43:41] sphery: is it, i.e., USB-mounted external hard drive whose permissions are configured by udev?
[21:43:51] netpro25: sphery: local disk
[21:43:55] asmussen: The directory he was storing recordings to. It was originally not writable to by mythtv, and he had to change ownership, but he got past that problem last night.
[21:45:02] netpro25: right
[21:45:39] sphery: sounds like the same problem resurfaced
[21:45:44] asmussen: Not really.
[21:45:55] asmussen: He was getting a permission denied error in his mythbackend log for that problem.
[21:46:01] asmussen: This sounds different.
[21:46:36] netpro25: chmod it to 777 no difference
[21:46:45] sphery: "it"?
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[21:47:05] netpro25: my mythtv directory where the videos are stored temporarily and perm
[21:47:11] ___Krush: Hi all, wanted to ask for a couple of pointers on using Myth with a DVB-T box?
[21:47:14] Dibblah: ___Krush: Polite :)
[21:47:25] ___Krush: Hi Dibblah
[21:47:40] Dibblah: ... An "Oops" is traditional ;)
[21:48:09] asmussen: netpro25: I'm assuming you've tried restarting mythfrontend/mythbackend, and/or the whole system?
[21:48:26] netpro25: asmussen: multiple times
[21:48:27] sphery: Dibblah: traditional doesn't necessarily mean useful ;)
[21:48:34] asmussen: Figured you had. Just checking.
[21:48:42] Dibblah: sphery: No, indeed.
[21:48:56] sphery: netpro25: are you running backend and frontend as the same user?
[21:49:12] netpro25: is there a pastebin where I can show you my log file?
[21:49:25] sphery: netpro25: if so, then 06.10 17:42:53 < sphery> could, also, be device permissions (but on *nix, everything--including devices--is a file)
[21:49:47] netpro25: sphery: different user I believe, mythtv backend and frontend runs as my username
[21:50:20] asmussen: You haven't filled up any filesystems or anything like that, have you?
[21:50:23] sphery: do you see a file created in the storage directory? If so, what permissions?
[21:50:29] netpro25: asmussen: nope
[21:50:52] netpro25: yes... they have deleted them selves hold on I will rerun frontend
[21:51:45] netpro25: mythtv mythtv -rw-r--r--
[21:53:17] netpro25: sphery: is that okay?
[21:53:24] asmussen: Should be fine.
[21:53:45] sphery: Right. I don't know why it would do that, then.
[21:54:19] netpro25: here is part of my log: http://pastebin.com/m7b9d937
[21:54:29] asmussen: Do you have any recordings that were made while it was still working, and if so can you still watch them?
[21:54:41] sphery: you don't have your two different users setting different timezones, do you? (I.e. defining TZ in the environment used to start mythbackend/mythfrontend)
[21:55:23] netpro25: sphery: not sure, how can I check the mythtv user timezone?
[21:55:46] sphery: file not local: '/home/mmanning/mythtv/2000_20080610175104.mpg'
[21:55:54] sphery: seems you have a hostname problem
[21:56:53] netpro25: sphery: okay, how should I correct that
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[21:57:22] asmussen: That's not the same path you were using for storage last night, was it?
[21:57:24] sphery: first, pastebin the result of: ls -ld /home/mmanning/mythtv
[21:57:58] netpro25: asmussen: no before it was over a nfs mount but I changed it to try to narrow down the problem
[21:58:23] netpro25: sphery: its just one line, gonna paste it here
[21:58:31] asmussen: Ok, so it was originally working over an nfs mount, and now it's local? Did you change it to being local before or after it stopped working?
[21:58:39] sphery: ok (only suggested pastebin in case you missed the -d)
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[21:59:10] russK: Suddenly my setup needs maintenance ... my program guide is empty and I'm seeing "SQL Error: Incorrect key file for table './mythconverg/program.MYI'; try to repair it [#126]" from mythweb ... any help?
[21:59:14] netpro25: http://pastebin.com/m7424101
[21:59:27] sphery: russK: run optimize_mythdb.pl from the contrib directory
[21:59:42] netpro25: asmussen: it stopped working then i changed it
[21:59:47] russK: sphery: wow, that was quick ... thanks!
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[22:00:13] sphery: russK: happens to a lot of people, so it's a quick answer :)
[22:00:25] asmussen: One other thing to check with your current local directory is what the permissions are on /home/mmanning are. If it's 700 or something like that, it won't matter what the permissions are on the mythtv subdirectory, because the mythtv user still won't be able to access it.
[22:00:33] friggityfrog: i have the audio output from my satellite going to the input on my wintv card, but the sound is coming distorted. What do I do?
[22:00:55] sphery: asmussen: /very/ good point
[22:01:25] netpro25: asmussen: okay so I will create a root level directory and try that
[22:01:40] sphery: always better than putting stuff in /home
[22:01:49] sphery: (stuff = not user data)
[22:01:57] netpro25: sphery: could I used the tmp directory for testing?
[22:02:14] sphery: yeah, just don't reboot if you actually record something useful ;)
[22:02:25] netpro25: k, let me try that
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[22:04:40] netpro25: sphery: same thing http://pastebin.com/m160cd412
[22:05:22] sphery: next, try scheduling a manual recording and see if it works
[22:06:05] sphery: btw, did /tmp/2000_20080610180323.mpg actually exist (or was it /tmp/2000_20080610180300.mpg --i.e. 0 seconds)
[22:06:56] asmussen: Another option may be to temporarily crank up the debugging level on mythbackend
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[22:08:20] killaz: How can I make the mythtvideo plugun using mplayer as video player to use the .srt subtitle file?
[22:08:44] GreyFoxx: kill: the internal player can use SRT subtitles
[22:08:55] sphery: killaz: put the file in the same directory as the video and make sure the filenames are identical (but with different extensions)
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[22:09:12] netpro25: sphery: it was 0 seconds
[22:09:24] netpro25: the length of the file that is
[22:09:38] sphery: you mean 0 bytes?
[22:09:47] netpro25: yes and zero seconds long
[22:10:02] killaz: sphery: that's exactly what I thought. Ihave renamed the .srt file giving it the same name as the .avi file, but still the subtitles ain't appearing on screen..
[22:10:05] sphery: was asking about the filename (whether the "seconds" part of the filename was 0)
[22:10:14] netpro25: sphery: let me try again and see
[22:10:32] sphery: netpro25: but if it's a 0-length file, that means that the device is not providing any data for Myth.
[22:10:32] killaz: GreyFoxx: that measn the external mplayer can't?
[22:10:54] sphery: netpro25: which means it's a hardware/driver problem (which I won't be any help with)
[22:10:59] GreyFoxx: kill: No, I stated that the internal one can do it so if that's your only reason to swtich to mplayer you don't need to switch
[22:11:06] GreyFoxx: mplayer can also handle them
[22:11:09] asmussen: If you add '-v all' to the options mythbackend is running with, you may be able to get some more data to see what's going on, although I wouldn't run it like that long term. The log when it's running like that is very chatty.
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[22:11:19] netpro25: yea two files one zero bytes other 376 bytes
[22:11:32] killaz: GreyFoxx: I understand...
[22:12:15] netpro25: Anyone have any experience with the hauppauge hvr1250?
[22:13:24] sphery: killaz: you could always just specify the file with -sub (or check whether -noautosub is set)
[22:13:49] sphery: netpro25: what filenames for the 2 files
[22:14:04] killaz: sphery: ok thnx
[22:14:46] killaz: sphery: one more Q how can I make the font size of the subtitles smaller?
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[22:15:35] netpro25: sphery: 2000_20080610181434.mpg 2000_20080610181436.mpg
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[22:16:02] netpro25: sphery: http://pastebin.com/m255a702a
[22:16:09] netpro25: new error log
[22:16:48] sphery: in MythTV's internal player, you can't. In MPlayer, check the man page (as it differs depending on subtitle type and renderer)
[22:16:49] directhex: press m, make sure subtitles are selected in the menu
[22:16:58] directhex: this is your gift of the day
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[22:18:26] sphery: netpro25: those filenames look about right. The first one is the dummy stream, the other is the real program. So, the previewer error is not a problem (we just haven't made it not try to generate a preview for dummy video).
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[22:19:19] sphery: netpro25: Was the 376-byte file the 1st or second file (34 or 36 seconds)?
[22:20:04] netpro25: -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 376 2008-06–10 18:14 2000_20080610181436.mpg
[22:20:14] netpro25: 36 file
[22:21:18] wagner: netpro25: i have one, it should work 'out-of-the-box' with a 2.6.24 kernel
[22:21:32] wagner: otherwise, you have to grab the v4l-dvb-hg drivers
[22:21:43] netpro25: wagner: have that kernel
[22:21:52] sphery: can you shutdown mythfrontend and mythbackend, then restart mythbackend with mythbackend -v important,general,file -l ~/mythbackend.log
[22:22:02] netpro25: but it was not working so I grabbed the v4l-dvb-hg
[22:22:04] sphery: and re-try livetv and pastebin the log
[22:22:17] netpro25: sphery: np, 1 sec
[22:22:42] wagner: as far as i know, the analog tuner does not yet work
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[22:22:58] wagner: but its a frame-grabber, so its of debatable use anyway
[22:23:11] asmussen: Maybe it's worth checking dmesg also to see if there are any driver errors being thrown for whatever capture card you're using.
[22:23:19] wagner: digital works great though
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[22:24:25] netpro25: sphery: http://pastebin.com/m6e2e68
[22:25:15] netpro25: asmussen: getting frequency out of range errors
[22:26:01] netpro25: [ 735.092247] DVB: frontend 0 frequency 1005000000 out of range (54000000..858000000)
[22:28:22] sphery: netpro25: yeah, it looks like Myth is just getting an error from the capture card and stopping the recording.
[22:28:31] sphery: not a file thing, but a device thing
[22:29:08] netpro25: hmmm
[22:29:12] psofa_: anyone using the multiproto patch on fixes? i get 2008-06–11 01:25:18.001 DVBSM(2), Warning: Can not count Uncorrected Blocks
[22:29:12] psofa_: eno: Operation not supported (95)
[22:29:12] psofa_: Segmentation fault when tryong to scan
[22:29:33] sphery: psofa_: segfault when scanning is common--especially on multi-core/multi-proc systems
[22:29:53] sphery: try temporarily running without SMP/SMT
[22:31:16] psofa_: sphery, to be honest i havent tried scanning since i switched to smp, you think multiproto could not be causing that?
[22:31:41] sphery: could be either, but there is a known issue with scanning in 0.21-fixes even without multiproto
[22:32:08] psofa_: sphery, can i do that on a per process level or will i have to recompile kernel/shit load of modules
[22:32:21] sphery: could even try taskset to pin to a specific processor: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-process . . . process.html
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[22:32:28] psofa_: thanks
[22:32:48] asmussen: netpro25: It's not coming up with any messages about not being able to lock onto the channel or anything like that while you're trying to view livetv is it?
[22:32:57] sphery: psofa_: if nothing else, it's usually just rebooting the system with the appropriate kernel args (i.e. noapic,nosmp ) or with the appropriate kernel (all depends on distro)
[22:33:37] psofa_: ty again
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[22:33:42] netpro25: asmussen: got it to work.... changed the default channel to one that I knew existed, seems as though the channel scanner is using invalid channels
[22:33:51] asmussen: Interesting.
[22:34:17] netpro25: Does anyone know how to scan comcast cable? is it qam 256?
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[22:39:39] netpro25: asmussen: where is the channels.conf stored?
[22:39:44] netpro25: in the db?
[22:40:33] psofa_: sphery, thanks it worked
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[22:43:56] psofa_: lol poor cpu
[22:44:06] psofa_: 168%
[22:44:33] sphery: must be all the protos it's juggling :)
[22:44:47] psofa_: damn hd
[22:45:09] psofa_: is it normal a 5600+ cant handle it?
[22:45:52] asmussen: I'm not sure that there is an actual channels.conf file necessarily, but yeah the frequency information for the channels and stuff like that is stored in the db.
[22:45:58] psofa_: i suppose the bitrate isnt comparable to h264 rreencodes
[22:46:33] netpro25: the tv guide does not work for digital does it
[22:46:50] asmussen: It may take a little work to get it setup, but yeah it should.
[22:47:06] netpro25: hmmm
[22:47:36] asmussen: I think you have to actually associate the ids for the channels in the guide listings to the channels on your system in mythtv-setup, or something like that.
[22:48:02] netpro25: ah ok
[22:48:18] sphery: right, map the xmltvid to the channels identified by the channel scanner /before/ ever running mythfilldatabase
[22:48:22] directhex: psofa_, is it normal a weak cpu won't manage hd h264 on a single core? yes
[22:48:29] asmussen: I was using a PC-HDTV card for a while, and it was something of a pain in the ass to use. I ended up switching to an HD Homerun for my QAM channels. I'm also looking forward to the new HD PVR.
[22:48:33] sphery: if you didn't do it before, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034
[22:48:37] directhex: psofa_, even a decent cpu like core2 won't, unless it's around the 3ghz mark
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[22:58:47] psofa_: directhex, actually it was the opengl renderer its acceptable now
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[23:01:01] sphery: psofa_: Yeah, OpenGL rendering isn't really "supported," yet
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[23:05:18] psofa_: sphery, yeah i was using it with standard 576p video before and its slowness didnt show
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[23:09:26] netpro25: is there a way to rename channels in the frontend while watching tv?
[23:10:21] sphery: what happens when you hit e
[23:11:40] netpro25: cool works
[23:11:43] netpro25: e that is
[23:13:12] sphery: cool. couldn't remember if that made it into 0.21
[23:13:24] netpro25: sphery: whats the xml id for?
[23:14:00] sphery: xmltvid allows the listings data that's downloaded from the Internet to be used with that channel
[23:14:13] sphery: 06.10 18:48:18 < sphery> right, map the xmltvid to the channels identified by the channel scanner /before/ ever running mythfilldatabase
[23:14:19] sphery: 06.10 18:48:33 < sphery> if you didn't do it before, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034
[23:14:36] netpro25: ok
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[23:14:55] netpro25: so I would have to delete the device?
[23:15:04] sphery: just the video source part is required
[23:15:12] sphery: keep the capture card if you want
[23:15:17] netpro25: k
[23:15:32] sphery: it will delete all your channels (which is the only way to clean it up properly)
[23:16:05] netpro25: hmm
[23:16:12] sphery: then rescan, then use the channel editor (either mythtv-setup, mythfrontend channel editor, or MythWeb Channel Editor) to rename channels and fix the xmltvid's
[23:16:23] netpro25: what service are you using for xml in us?
[23:16:34] sphery: http://schedulesdirect.org/
[23:16:44] sphery: really the only approach worth using. $20/yr
[23:17:10] sphery: the EIT data (in the broadcast stream) in the US is worthless
[23:17:51] netpro25: sphery: yes it is
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[23:18:18] ** xris likes SD... **
[23:18:24] xris: but I'm biased..
[23:19:02] sphery: at least SD backs up your bias with a good product at a great price (good enough to put the "competitor" out of business :)
[23:19:17] xris: true.
[23:19:26] xris: and we're *so* close to being able to move forward with self hosting
[23:19:33] netpro25: sphery: sd is by zap2it?
[23:19:52] xris: no, we license info from zap2it
[23:19:58] sphery: xris: did we get a lot of ctpvr converts signing up? (Or, perhaps they will when their ctpvr subs expire?)
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[23:20:19] xris: meaning, we're a customer of zap2it, since zap2it/TMS doesn't have the infrastructure to license data directly to individuals
[23:20:37] netpro25: xris: awsome
[23:21:20] xris: sphery: not much that I saw. I don't think many mythtv people used it (nice support of open source community there).. we figure that most of the ctpvr users are/were gb-pvr users.
[23:22:21] sphery: yeah, but now that ctpvr isn't providing guide data, won't the gb-pvr (or other) users who had subs with ctpvr switch to SD?
[23:24:15] sphery: guess I should really say, "CT TV Listings" isn't providing data. https://cttvlistings.net/
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[23:24:46] stu_: hey guys, whenever I quit live TV the whole of mythtv quits.... any idea how to stop this ?
[23:24:55] sphery: So, in theory, everyone who had CT TV listings subscriptions would have had to switch to SD as of Apr 1, 2008.
[23:25:19] justinh: stu_: yes, set up mythtv correctly
[23:25:28] justinh: look in the backend log to find out what's up
[23:25:33] stu_: so there's actually a setting that does this
[23:25:35] stu_: oh..
[23:25:36] sphery: stu_: Sounds like mythfrontend is crashing on you. http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2
[23:25:56] justinh: oh wait I misread that
[23:26:04] justinh: yeah frontend crashy. whoopsie
[23:26:08] stu_: lol
[23:26:12] sphery: and, as justinh implied, mythfrontend won't crash on a properly-set-up system
[23:26:15] justinh: just don't watch livetv :D
[23:26:22] sphery: that's the best advice, though
[23:26:32] stu_: ok thanks ill check that link for troubleshooting tips
[23:26:36] sphery: LiveTV = waste-your-Life-TV
[23:26:46] justinh: the irony!
[23:26:54] sphery: stu_: are you using Ubuntu or something?
[23:27:04] justinh: could be video driver related
[23:27:25] sphery: yeah, MythBuntu + ATI = crash
[23:28:18] sphery: just wondering as Ubuntu + MythTV or MythBuntu (both of which don't like ATI) would allow me to direct you to #ubuntu-mythtv (where they could probably help you work around the issue)
[23:28:37] sphery: even if it's not the ATI thing I'm thinking of
[23:29:53] stu_: yes ubuntu and ATI
[23:29:59] stu_: but this is a new problem
[23:30:02] stu_: only started yesterday
[23:30:24] stu_: ill check that channel thanks
[23:31:09] sphery: Well, the #ubuntu-mythtv guys are likely to have the most-specific-to-your-configuration info . Likely a segfault has been seen by other users and they may have workarounds (even if they haven't identified the actual cause).
[23:32:13] stu_: ta, ciao
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[23:33:19] justinh: heh a lot of these records are mastered at the same volume. if only you got that on CDs nowadays
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[23:58:27] netpro25: how can i find the xml id on sd for a channel?

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