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Tuesday, June 3rd, 2008, 00:04 UTC

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Lynet:

am2 cpu board? Didn't even know that existed.

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Dagmar:

What? Yeah

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Dagmar:

Hell, they're up to AM2+ now

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Dagmar:

NOte that AM2 and AM2+ are "mostly" compatible with each other.

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Lynet:

as in 939-board being upgradeable to am2.

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Dagmar:

Oh that's been the case for awhile now

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Dagmar:

The daughterboard for me to upgrade the 939dual-SATA2 to AM2 is about $30

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Dagmar:

The AM2+ CPUs are pretty much all Phenom (x3 or higher) chips

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Dagmar:

...or at least, if there's any AM2+ chips that _aren't_ Phenom, I've not seen them anywhere yet.

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jamesd:

newegg usually has some

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Lynet:

Are the AM2/AM2+ compat problems caused by bios, or are there deeper problems?

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Dagmar:

jamesd: No, they actually dont.

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Dagmar:

All the AM+ CPUs they have are Phenoms

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Dagmar:

There are not "compatibiility problems" between the two so much as there are things the AM2+ boards have (multiple power paths) which AM2+ can take advantage of, which won't work fully with AM2 (-) boards

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Dagmar:

Ah yes and with that power comes higher memory bus speed

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Dagmar:

Am2 seems to top out at 800, AM2+ 1066.

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Dagmar:

So, to keep my upgrade path open, I've pretty much gotta get an AM2+ board

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Dagmar:

I've *no* idea if one can stick DDR2 1066 RAM in a board htat tops out at DDR2 800 and get it to use it, and I kinda doubt it's possible

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Lynet:

Smells like putting pc133 ram on a 440bx board, some work some don't.

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

Looks like ther'es not a lot of price difference between the boards, too, which is good.

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Dagmar:

I am *trying* to keep my upgrade path relatively open

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Dagmar:

I try to do incrememntal upgrades every 6–9 months, and I'm overdue

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Lynet:

That upgrade path tends to be rather illusory in my experience, usually do the full mobo+cpu+ram combo at each upgrade.

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Dagmar:

Well, I went from AGP to PCI-E on the same board

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Dagmar:

...and from single-core to dual-core on the same board.

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Dagmar:

If I get an AM2+ board at least I'll likely be able to go from dual-core to triple-core

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Dagmar:

Intel on the other hand, that stuff has been "upgrade it all" for awhile now

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Lynet:

They're deep in the chipset business too, so they don't exactly gain much by making stuff future-proof.

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Dagmar:

Heh. I am starting to see the word "licenced" listed with BIOS specs now... Like a motherboard manufacturer saying "Use of licenced AWARD BIOS" and I have to wonder if some manufacturer got caught *pirating* their BIOS or something

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Lynet:

Kinda like that we only use capacitors manufactured in Japan thing that was so important a while ago.

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Dagmar:

Well, some of the ones I saw that were coming from the bad places actually made NOISE

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Dagmar:

ECS snd Biostar bought a lot of them, which is why I'm astonished Biostar has apparently managed to drag their name out of the dirt

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Lynet:

Considering the amount of Chinese knock-offs being produced, I'm kinda surprised that the number of snafus like that aren't higher than they are.

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Dagmar:

Looks like the ASUS M3A is the winner for me

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whoDat_:

the keybinding Y changes to the next source... is there one to change to the next card?

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Dagmar:

Next _tuner_

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whoDat_:

(i have 3 cards all using the same source)

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Dagmar:

If it exists, it'll be listed as next tuner

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whoDat_:

i dont see that in the keybindings

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Dagmar:

Then it's not there.

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whoDat_:

lol

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Chutt:

just use the osd menu, it has menus for next card/input/source/etc

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whoDat_:

ahh, ok thanks!

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whoDat_:

chutt speaks in this channel? lol ;)

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cafuego:

For the record, manually adding dtv_multiplex and channel entries brought back my missing channels :-)

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whoDat_:

run mythprime. fails. unplug firewire, plug firewire back in. mythprime works. hrmm

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mhatch:

What do I need to do to allow mythtv to compile with xvmc-opengl? I get the error "Disabling XvMC-opengl. It is only available when linking against libXvMCNVIDIA", which I have installed...

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Dagmar:

Well, you have to have a high tolerance for failure, for one thing.

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Dagmar:

There's a reason it defaults to disabled.

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Dagmar:

...because it doesn't work.

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Dagmar:

Basically, do not force anything involving the XvMC parts.

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Dagmar:

Even if it looks like it's not going to link against nVidia's specific library, it does not matter.

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Dagmar:

Things only need to link against XvMC. The way XvMC works, the nVidia library acts as a middle-man whether the application likes it or not.

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mhatch:

ah

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Dagmar:

Yeah basically it's a lot less trouble than it looks

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Dagmar:

--enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl --enable-opengl-vsync I can at least confirm are safe.

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Dagmar:

I've been using those options for awhile. The middle one is just me being explicit in my build script so that, should I start a new build from scratch instead of using the script I use, I won't accidentally *forget* and hit that issue square in the face again.

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Dagmar:

Tuen that bad thing on and you can get *spontaneous reboots*

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Dagmar:

Fu-u-u-u-u-u-un.

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

I don't think these DIMMs are mounted according to spec.

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Dagmar:

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/347/memory_tree.jpg

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iamlindoro:

I have some OCZ memory that would probably be best suited in that position

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rokstar:

i'm having problems with mythtv not getting the correct freq from ivtv, its detects close to the right freq but not quite

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Dagmar:

Slowly but surely I'm figuring out the multiplier crap

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rokstar:

i'm not sure if this is an ivtv or mythtv or scheduale direct problem

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: for one of your mobos?

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Dagmar:

For what I'm going to buy

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iamlindoro:

ah

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Dagmar:

Looks like ther'es no clean way to be using PC 1066 with an X2 CPU

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Dagmar:

I was hoping to just buy 1066 out of the gate on this one

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psm321:

hi

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psm321:

Does anyone know why ShowNotRecordingDialog (the function that shows the "This showing will not be recorded... The following will be recorded instead" box) limits its output to 4 shows?

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njcnjcnjc:

need help – when I install Mythtv on Fedora 9, I had everything working except the remote for my Hauppage 350 TV Card

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njcnjcnjc:

irw showed the commands, remote was not working for mythtv

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njcnjcnjc:

I put the lircrc file in the correct places and still no remote, am I missing a step?

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Is what I'm reading about memory controller speed divisors being whole-steps only correct, or are these people full of crap?

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: I'm afraid I'm not an expert on that, have never done anything but the defaults on my boards... sorry :)

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psm321:

njcnjcnjc: what does your frontend log say about lirc?

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njcnjcnjc:

It didn't say anything

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psm321:

at all?

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njcnjcnjc:

no errors or messages loading lirc

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psm321:

njcnjcnjc: double check (if you have it in a file, search for "lirc")

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Well, it seems like some of these chips would actually maybe be *fine* for 1066

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njcnjcnjc:

Seems to be not loading that, is that a package I need to load?

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psm321:

njcnjcnjc: if you dont see anything at all about it you probably didnt compile in lirc support

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njcnjcnjc:

I did search for lirc, it is not in the file

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njcnjcnjc:

I downloaded the rpms files from atrpms

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psm321:

hmm

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njcnjcnjc:

I am wondering if I forgot a file

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njcnjcnjc:

I am using mythdora 5 right now

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psm321:

i dont know anything about rpm installations unfortunately ... i always do my own compile

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njcnjcnjc:

but does not support my wireless card so I was trying fedora 9

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psm321:

i kinda doubt that a mainstream package would not include lirc support

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psm321:

njcnjcnjc: does it work in mythdora?

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njcnjcnjc:

yes

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njcnjcnjc:

everything works for mythtv

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njcnjcnjc:

no problems, just wireless problems

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njcnjcnjc:

what distro do you use?

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psm321:

i use gentoo

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psm321:

but its not necessarily optimal, i just like it :)

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njcnjcnjc:

I am going to reinstall Fedora 9 again this weekend and try again

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njcnjcnjc:

I will try to compile my own version this time

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psm321:

or you could try to fix your wireless in mythdora :)

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njcnjcnjc:

:)

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njcnjcnjc:

wish it was that easy

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njcnjcnjc:

updating to the right kernel breaks mythdora

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psm321:

ah

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njcnjcnjc:

ya

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njcnjcnjc:

it is touchy

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njcnjcnjc:

psm321 thanks for your help, do you have more then on TV card installed?

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psm321:

yeah

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njcnjcnjc:

I am thinking of adding another Happuage 150

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psm321:

3 cards, 5 tuners

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njcnjcnjc:

really

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psm321:

i'd just go for a 500, its not that much more and you get 2 tuners

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njcnjcnjc:

oh

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psm321:

you need to watch out for the tuner type though

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mkrufky:

samsung problem isnt fixed yet?!?

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njcnjcnjc:

ok

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psm321:

each card in the line has its own share of problems... you need to do research before you buy :)

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iamlindoro:

I say buy two HD-PVRs :)

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mkrufky:

now you can 8-)

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psm321:

mkrufky: i dunno, it might be... i found no concrete info on that (other than hauppauge's claims) and i dont want to risk it

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Unbox porn! http://gallery.mac.com/r.mcnamara#100129

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mkrufky:

what's the problem, exactly? i will look for one of those boards and give it a test (if i remember)

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: hooot

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iamlindoro:

I am 99% certain the Samsung issue is long since fixed

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psm321:

mkrufky: especially when i can get the phillips tuners for the same price if i'm willing to wait a little for the right ebay auction to come up (this last time i was lucky and caught one just as it was listed and got a good deal)

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mkrufky:

how long is the component cable, iamlindoro?

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mkrufky:

i thought it was fixed over a year ago

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: about 50 feet longer than I need?

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mkrufky:

hehe

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Dagmar:

lol

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mkrufky:

better off that way

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mkrufky:

i dropped my jaw when i saw somebody carrying that cable around today

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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psm321:

plus i've heard varying interpretations of whether its fixed in newer hardware or fixed in all hardware in drivers (and reports that just the one driver tweak that turned on the amp didnt fix things for many people)

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iamlindoro:

Now if only someone could solve janneg's riddle :)

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mkrufky:

psm321: its a different issue between the pvr500 and the nova-td

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mkrufky:

psm321: the lna issue with nova-td .... i hear that one is still annoying

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mkrufky:

but thats only on one rev of the nova-td, i think

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psm321:

there was an lna issue for the samsung tuners on pvr500 too

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mkrufky:

but i believe that the issue on the pvr500 was 100% fixed ... i THINK

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psm321:

iamlindoro: what is that?

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squish102:

njcnjcnjc have u tried mythbuntu?

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iamlindoro:

psm321: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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mkrufky:

yeah, i think the issue on the nova-td was because there was 1 single LNA for both tuners

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mkrufky:

and it was not as big an issue on the pvr500, because each tuner had its own lna

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squish102:

njcnjcnjc, i had less problems with mythbuntu than I had with mythdora... problem with mythdora, is updating tends to break it and never had that problem with mythbuntu

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njcnjcnjc:

squish102 – no I have not

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mkrufky:

the prob on nova-td was that if one tuner is on a weak freq, and the other on a strong freq, that you will either crank up the amp and wash out the strong channel, or leave the amp off and have bad signal on the weak channel

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Oh wow... It looks like what I read was correct.

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mkrufky:

that would NOT be an issue if using diversity mode ... but i dont think we support diversity in linux

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: re: memory multiplier?

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Dagmar:

If you want DDR2–800 to run *at 800* like it's meant to, your clock speed has to be an even multiple of 400

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njcnjcnjc:

Been using Fedora since Fedora 1 and found mythdora 4

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njcnjcnjc:

is the support in Ubuntu for Wireless better?

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Dagmar:

The AM2 memory controller only supports integer memory divisors

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iamlindoro:

Ubuntu's wireless is only as good as wireless in general on linux-- but it's improved in leaps and bounds

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squish102:

njcnjcnjc, no idea, just thought it was a better package than mythdora

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Dagmar:

Actually s/The AM2/AMD/;

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Ah, interesting, guess I didn't know that

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squish102:

and my myth installation has stabalized. when running mythdora i could not update and when i did, i normally broke something in myth

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njcnjcnjc:

squish102, I have the same problem

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njcnjcnjc:

it does not update the packages correctly

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njcnjcnjc:

misses important packages like kernel mods

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Mark my words, someone is going to shove in a component cable and snap off the connectors

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mkrufky:

i'd say "i told you so" ... but i didnt tell you so

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iamlindoro:

:)

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mkrufky:

i told {somebody else} so!

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mkrufky:

nobody listens to the new guy ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, glad to know I'm not the only one to think so then!

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mkrufky:

now go look at the photo for the hvr1950

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mkrufky:

good thing they include the cables in that one, too

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mkrufky:

... oh, wait... you meant snap off the connectors OF THE CABLES, right? not the device itself — those connectors are on there good

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: I mean snap the connectors on the device *in* to the case

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iamlindoro:

because they flex backwards about 15 degrees as you push in the cable

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mkrufky:

hmm

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mkrufky:

i kinda gave mine a beating and it never snapped

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iamlindoro:

At least... here they do :)

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mkrufky:

(dont try it at home, kids)

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iamlindoro:

Well, I plan on it being "set it and forget it" here

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iamlindoro:

so those cables may *never* come out

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iamlindoro:

So I don't expect I'll have an issue

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mkrufky:

heh

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mkrufky:

usin the passthru, right?

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iamlindoro:

The STB is currently run via firewire, so no, not at the moment

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mkrufky:

ok

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iamlindoro:

Am thinking of an overhaul-- currently getting all the Network channels via QAM out of simplicity, but I think I may retask one of my ATSC tuners to OTA so I can get higher-bitrate recordings of those few channels

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iamlindoro:

Last episode of LOST via QAM was 2.8 GB after commercial cuts... less than ever. That's my motivation

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|Torg|:

wow mine usualy top 8G

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califdreas:

you mean the 2-hour-episode?

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|Torg|:

I tired a few times to encoide without commericals, saves maybe 500M

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iamlindoro:

Yup, They've pretty reliably been 4–6 GB but I've seen that shrink down as Comcast crams in more channels-- time to go back to OTA for those network channels

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|Torg|:

no I mena a 1 hour

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iamlindoro:

califdreas: You know what, you're right, I'm thinking of the one before this last one

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iamlindoro:

two weeks back

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califdreas:

still kind of bandwith-starved, me thinks.

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iamlindoro:

califdreas: Just checked.. the 2 hours episode was.. are you ready for this...

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iamlindoro:

5.4 GB

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clever:

and i thought 1.1gig/hour was alot

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|Torg|:

Lost – Something Nice Back Home is 58 mins and 7.2G

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iamlindoro:

No transcode, no nothing... and that's HD via QAM

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iamlindoro:

So ewwwwwwww

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iamlindoro:

time to rig up the antenna :)

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clever:

1.2gig SD

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Dagmar:

Hm... I wonder if this upgrade is going to halve my memcache access speeds

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Dagmar:

That might be a nice side effect

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|Torg|:

ATSC runs from 6–8GB/hr

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califdreas:

kinda strange. I have comcast, and the "ota" channels lika abc, nbc, and so on are usually ca. 6gb/hour

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iamlindoro:

califdreas: Yep, but you can never tell, it will vary wildly by headend

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|Torg|:

Law and ORder is 6.6GB thats 1 hour

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clever:

2008-06–02 23:20:53.277 Reconnection to backend server failed

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clever:

QMutex::lock: Deadlock detected in thread -1260026176

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|Torg|:

but I also have eppisaodes that are 7.4GB

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iamlindoro:

I will still have to use QAM for NBC, though, I'm in a hill's shadow and can't point at that broadcast tower

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iamlindoro:

Thankfully I only really watch Chuck on NBC and that's gone for now

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|Torg|:

higher antenna :)

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: Think people might notice if I raised it the ten stories it would likely need to be raised

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califdreas:

there was a time when cable had always better quality than ota and even sat tv.

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iamlindoro:

Alas...

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iamlindoro:

I have a really nice TERK antenna that I lent to my parents, though, think I

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iamlindoro:

I'll get that back from them

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mkrufky:

OMG that sucks

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mkrufky:

(delayed reaction)

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mkrufky:

my LOST finale was 5.8 GB

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mkrufky:

(after commercial removal)

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Heh, yeah-- notable visually, too

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mkrufky:

wow... time warner doesnt do that to us

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mkrufky:

i would be soooo pissed off

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Yep, but good motivation to get back to OTA for network channels, which I had been intending to do anyway-- nothing like the motivation of necessity

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mkrufky:

i'm keeping VSB around as a last resort ... i hope to never have to use it

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mkrufky:

i *only* use vsb for testing

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: What's the resistance? Kinda nice to have nice fat bitrate.

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iamlindoro:

depending on local broadcasters, of course

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iamlindoro:

Presuming you have an extra ATSC tuner, that is. I happen to have one unoccupied right now, so it just makes sense

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mkrufky:

well, depending on which device im using, just having a car drive down my street could frac up the reception

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mkrufky:

then again.... if i was REALLY using vsb, i'd install a roof-top aerial

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califdreas:

someone told me that the xc5000 receiver is real good for ota, so i got a pinnacle 800i, kust in case :)

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|Torg|:

mine depend on weather and you can forget about getting most staitosn duing the day

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mkrufky:

xc5000 is impeccable for OTA

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mkrufky:

i use that as my litmus test

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mkrufky:

(hvr950q has one)

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califdreas:

litmus==lackmus?

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califdreas:

the thing with alkali and acid?

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mkrufky:

...in english:

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iamlindoro:

califdreas: It this sense it means as the "gold standard"

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squish102:

does any1 know if timewarner, when all channels have to go digital, well send the current analog channels via QAM unencrypted?

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mkrufky:

i use my device with the xc5000 to make sure that i can actually get a signal, before i start banging my head against the table, wondering why my driver XYZ isnt picking anything up

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iamlindoro:

squish102: analog TV isn't QAM

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mkrufky:

does that clarify, califdreas ?

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califdreas:

lol. OK, i got it now :))

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mkrufky:

;-)

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iamlindoro:

squish102: And cable companies don't have to go digital next year, the regulations affect broadcast (OTA) only

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iamlindoro:

squish102: Ah, wait, I just rethought what you meant by your question

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squish102:

oh, so i am going to have to keep my pvr150 connected

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iamlindoro:

squish102: Cable companies are obliged to provide *some* analog support until 2012... but they're not told how much, and after that you can pretty much expect no more than locals via QAM

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squish102:

i was hoping to be able to only have HD tuners in and still pick up some of the analog channels i get today

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iamlindoro:

unencrypted, that is

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|Torg|:

I thought the FC mandated that all local bordcast be ent unencrypted

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iamlindoro:

squish102: As it stands, they won't have to give you anything but locals unencrypted-- and they're likely to take advantage of that fact

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mkrufky:

via *clear* qam, you mean?

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squish102:

yip

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iamlindoro:

squish102: I presume you are like most and get 80 or so channels w/ your PVR-150 straight out of the wall?

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mkrufky:

sorry for this commercial... but just for the sake of completeness, i have to say the the hcr1500q also uses an xc5000 ;-)

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mkrufky:

hvr1500q i mean

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iamlindoro:

squish102: If so, then yeah... the cable companies have to provide *something* via analog until 2012, but expect to see that number of 80 or so shrink drastically between now and then, and when it's all digital after that, expect that the only thing you will get is local and network TV. ie, after the cable all-digital cutover, you are unlikely to have the same 80 or so channels that you have via analog right now.

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califdreas:

mkrufky: you have a curiosly good understanding of a certain vendor's products. ;)

[02:42:28]

mkrufky:

i might SEEM to know a lot about hauppauge

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mkrufky:

but i know a lot about the other vendors too

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mkrufky:

i own almost every atsc/qam card there is

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iamlindoro:

Like DViCO!

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mkrufky:

i even bought one of those Kworld 340u usb sticks

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|Torg|:

mkrufky is just smart that way :)

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mkrufky:

(it died the first day i played with it)

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califdreas:

|Torg|: no kidding!

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mkrufky:

luckily i bought it from newegg — they're supposed to be good about RMAs

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iamlindoro:

stop playing so rough with your toys

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Dagmar:

Pssht.

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mkrufky:

i kinda got obsessed with this stuff a few years ago

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mkrufky:

back then i worked for a medical transcription company

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mkrufky:

.... was kinda bored there i guess

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Dagmar:

Comcast here has already taken G4 out of the analog lineup and used it's transition to digital only as a reason to push people to upgrade

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Dagmar:

Granted, it's not like G4 is worth watching anymore, but it's still lame.

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califdreas:

and froogle still comes up empty for the hvr950q. Is it perhaps not yet publicly available?

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Dagmar:

I would love a chance to slap the management at Comcast around for them broadcasting something like "Hurl" at all, let alone on G4..

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iamlindoro:

califdreas: try dropping the Q and adding a dash, HVR-950

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mkrufky:

no!

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro no you're wrong

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Dagmar:

It's more out of place on G4 than The Man Show, even though I didn't think such a thing were possible.

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: I know he wants the Q

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mkrufky:

HVR950 != HVR950Q

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Just saying he may get results from a search this way

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iamlindoro:

I knowwwwwwwwwww

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** mkrufky chills **

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califdreas:

okay, maybe i should start at hauppauge's website. duh ;)

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mkrufky:

califdreas: u lookin for a usb stick or a PCI / PCIe card?

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califdreas:

actually, i just got a new (used) mainboard with an available pcie-slot

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mkrufky:

ok, well for PCIe, i kinda think the hvr1800 is one of the coolest cards you can get

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mkrufky:

it has 2 tuners ... atsc/qam on one, and analog hardware mpeg encoder on the other

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** iamlindoro wonders when we'll see 2250s **

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mkrufky:

and its all supported in linux

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mkrufky:

er.... i dunno when ull see those

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|Torg|:

the 2250 isnt suuported in linux afaik

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: 2250s aren't in public

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squish102:

iamlindoro, that is exactly the news i did *NOT* want to hear ;)

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|Torg|:

yes I know, I checks the site this morning

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iamlindoro:

squish102: Whichnow?

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squish102:

the 80 channels not being available on digital

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iamlindoro:

squish102: ah, yup

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** squish102 a little slow tonight **

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iamlindoro:

barring FCC intervention

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iamlindoro:

which, if you'll look at our currently situation, is about as likely as the second coming

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iamlindoro:

er current

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squish102:

yip, im not holding my breath

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Dagmar:

sadness

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squish102:

i guess i will have a smaller list of channels to watch, and a cheaper cable bill

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iamlindoro:

ergo HD-PVRs for all!

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califdreas:

when I called comcast to ask about hd packages and a firewire-capable box, i got a first-class runaround.

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Dagmar:

squish: Well, one of those assumptions will be correct

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iamlindoro:

thus spake iamlindoro, and it was so

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Dagmar:

The other one is just silly.

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** iamlindoro feels the top of his HD-PVR and realizes stacking them is a pipe dream **

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mkrufky:

you can unscrew the feet

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Dagmar:

That way they will melt together nice and even

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: talking about the temperature :)

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clever:

lol

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mkrufky:

oof

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iamlindoro:

ok, I can stack them, but I'd like them to work after that

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squish102:

well i currently have to pay for 100's of digital channels to get a DVR. once i get remote working for mythtv, i will at least be saving on that cost

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Speedy2:

califdreas: All HD cable boxes are required to have firewire.

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Dagmar:

I'm thikning the first thing I'm going to do when/if I get mine is to open it, and drill about 100 holes in the case for ventilation.

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mkrufky:

i dont remember mine getting hot

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Dagmar:

Speedy2: What they're not required to do is make is useable

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mkrufky:

ive actually never used it inside the plastics

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mkrufky:

ok, thats it... i'll find a windows box now

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** mkrufky looks **

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califdreas:

Speedy2: i know that, comcast knows that, but they still like to give you a hard time.

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Speedy2:

Dagmar: It's a violation if they don't work

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Dagmar:

They'll "work" but they've got the "5C" bit thing going on.

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iamlindoro:

There are varying degrees of working :)

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Speedy2:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

So unless you *bought* a PVR at the store, you're not getting video out of them

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califdreas:

i did not even ask about 5c, just if firewire was enabled. After talking to three different departments and then finally getting connected to the first person I talked to, I gave up.

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iamlindoro:

califdreas: Where do you live?

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califdreas:

in fairfield, east bay.

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iamlindoro:

califdreas: You have a pretty fair chance of any of their HD boxes having active firewire, then

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iamlindoro:

Most bay area communities get 90% of their extended digital channels via firewire

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dustybin:

since i moved my router to my master telephone socket and removed all the pins inside the socket apart from 2 and 5 (UK only i think) i achieve speeds like this:

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dustybin:

DownStream Connection Speed 14404 kbps

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dustybin:

UpStream Connection Speed 1325 kbps

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iamlindoro:

Examples I am aware of are San Jose (me), Foster City, SF, Palo Alto, Sunnyvale.

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califdreas:

iamlindoro: well, that sounds actually good.

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iamlindoro:

califdreas: yup, worth a shot. I have a DCH-3200 and a 3216. Both work very well via firewire, although there are random programs that come up 5C, thus my haste to move to the HD-PVR.

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Dagmar:

What did you expect to accomplish by removing wires from the RJ11 socket?

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califdreas:

right now i am on basic cable, but I'm getting the whole analog stuff up to channel 74 or so.

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: He just wanted to recycle the pins for a shiny nickel :)

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califdreas:

I am just crossing fingers for everyone who ordered the hd-pvr that the stb's component out won't be crippeled

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califdreas:

crippled

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Dagmar:

It _can't_ be crippled, as far as I know.

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Dagmar:

It wouldn't be there at all if the FCC weren't requiring it.

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iamlindoro:

califdreas: Even if it was, there are workarounds.

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dustybin:

http://www.beforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8152 <-- this is VERY handy for UK people

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kormoc:

HDCP can 'require' component to be downsampled to 720p, but it's still hd

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iamlindoro:

ie HDMI->Component conversion

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mkrufky:

that would be a crime — for the cable companies to stop making my HDTV with only component inputs work

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mkrufky:

wouldnt it?

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MrMunkily:

oh man, I just spent the whole morning reading aout terrifying UK stories of disabled component

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emcnabb:

does anyone know how to stop MythMusic from autoplaying music when it starts?

[03:04:29]

kormoc:

mkrufky, not really

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Dagmar:

The monopolists seem to have gotten around it by managing to get protections included in hardware that encodes component video.

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mkrufky:

those frackers

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: I have every intention of buying the HDMI->Component+HDCP stripping hardware proactively before such things disappear/are sued out of existence

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: I don't know about you, but when I throw my STB back in their front window would certainly be viewed as a crime

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Dagmar:

Around here about the only way to stop such nonsense is to show up en-masse at the state congressional facilities

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califdreas:

lol. you guys have some strong opinions about it.

[03:06:38]

Dagmar:

califdreams: Because with new hardware is actually coming *increasingly less functionality and utility*

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iamlindoro:

+ a higher bill

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Dagmar:

Like, who do you know who has an STB that didn't get a firmware "update" that isn't showing them ads or is at least significantly slower if not both?

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mkrufky:

i didnt

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Dagmar:

The firewire port was SUPPOSED to allow anyone who has HD service to get the image over firewire

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mkrufky:

showing you ads ?!?

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MrMunkily:

you mean an STB PVR, right? regular STBs don't have ads, right?

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Dagmar:

...however, the monopolists have submarined that with protection bits and you can NOT find equipment without it now.

[03:08:13]

Dagmar:

So basically, any consumer PVR you get isn't going to let you make backups or copies for the most part.

[03:08:17]

iamlindoro:

MrMunkily: They do when you use the guide

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Dagmar:

MrMunkily: I'm very specific in what I say.

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dustybin:

another cool thing i found out today is: https://www.opendns.com <-- very handy indeed

[03:08:33]

Dagmar:

I do mean STBs with *ads* on the program guide

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califdreas:

Dagmar is right, though. the brave new digital world promised much in terms of convenience, but delivered mostly digital rights protection.

[03:08:46]

Dagmar:

califdreams: Whose rights tho?

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: you're right... and that's why *I* like the linux make-it-yourself DVR

[03:08:57]

mkrufky:

er... mythtv

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MrMunkily:

I have not heard of that. That is very disappointing.

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Dagmar:

*We* as consumers are actually supposed to have some "Fair Use" rights.

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Dagmar:

We can apparently have them, but only if we're smart and skilled enough to _break the copy protection_

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Dagmar:

...and by "we" I mean "we" as individuals.

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califdreas:

Dagmar: yeah well, not my rights.

[03:10:11]

MrMunkily:

And all these protections only increase difficulty for legit usage by paying customers.

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Dagmar:

Any group of people banding together, or gods forbid, a COMPANY making a product to make it easier, can be expected to be sued right into oblivion.

[03:10:52]

Dagmar:

MrMunkily: oh no... They'll tell you it's much easier now since you can actually buy an off-the-shelf PVR.

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Dagmar:

You just have no control over it

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MrMunkily:

Ha! tell that to the people wanting to use freesat without HDMI inputs...

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Dagmar:

Somehow, something *not* existing in the marketplace before as opposed to actually existing now qualifies as "easier"

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Dagmar:

I fully expect that if there weren't more visible issues with gas company vertical integration, the MPAA and some major labels would be getting investigated for anticompetitive practices, because this "5C" stuff sure as hell fits the defintion of "monopoly"

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Dagmar:

I'ma ctually expecting "tortuous interference" to happen first

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Dagmar:

...but I guess it depends on how brazen MediaDefender continues to be.

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Dagmar:

By the way, anyone not knowing what I meant about MediaDefender should read http://www.memestreams.net/thread/bid38418/

[03:20:52]

Dagmar:

It will explain it

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Assume you mean the DOS?

[03:21:12]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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iamlindoro:

yeah, they're douchebags

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Dagmar:

...but it's not just "the" DOS.

[03:21:26]

Dagmar:

They've been doing it for a year or more

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iamlindoro:

The DOS is huge, though, it's overtly criminal

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Dagmar:

...and yet, not a goddamn thing happens to them.

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|Torg|:

they activly break about 3 sections of the DMCA doing it too

[03:21:55]

iamlindoro:

Well, we'll see, the newest, obvious one is still young, I have some hopes

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Dagmar:

TorG: Fuck the DMCA. They break Section 18, 1030 (a)(5)(A)

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|Torg|:

I assume your talking about revision3

[03:22:34]

Dagmar:

...and a few more sections besides.

[03:22:36]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

...which makes the MPAA guilty of a few more sections of it for *paying* them to do this, and they can't after that 700Mb mail leak reasonably claim they were unaware of this activity.

[03:23:13]

|Torg|:

Denial of service attacks are illegal in the US under 12 different statutes, including the Economic Espionage Act and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

[03:23:40]

Dagmar:

Ah but the devil is in the details

[03:24:01]

Dagmar:

A DOS attack *may* be illegal under the Economic Espionage act, but in this instance wasn't.

[03:24:28]

Dagmar:

However, it was very, very, VERY much illegal according to multiple parts of USC Section 18, 1030.

[03:24:45]

Dagmar:

Being a white-hat hacker means you practically memorize that particular section of code.

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Dagmar:

....because there's passages that are wrappered with the word "knowingly", so if you were to accidentally exceed your authorization by accesing a site that had a presumption of openness (say, an unprotected server on port 80) there's an exemption

[03:26:19]

Dagmar:

Without it, the web basically doesn't work because 99.99999% of it is "protected" computers.

[03:26:54]

|Torg|:

well aside from my honeypot show me an intentaionnly non protected computer

[03:26:58]

Dagmar:

MEdiaDefender could claim they had no idea their systems would do that, but it doesn't really matter, because there is ONE part of that law that doesn't give two hoots about "knowingly" and it's a-5-A

[03:27:21]

Dagmar:

It's the same one that would have bagged Robert Morris for the RTM worm, since it's release was accidental.

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Dagmar:

Personally, I think they should be punished by having to answer, personally and individually, all complaint emails sent by users of Digg.

[03:29:59]

Dagmar:

That might be considered cruel and unusual, but ya sometimes when you want to make an omelet, people have to be killed

[03:30:12]

|Torg|:

Personally I think they should have to pay fins equiviolent to 10x the annual revenew of itslef and all companies that pay mediadefender to do this

[03:30:32]

Dagmar:

They can already be fined based on what they've been getting from the MPAA. :)

[03:30:37]

|Torg|:

something along attaching the personal assets of the executives would be nice as well

[03:30:54]

Dagmar:

Being paid to do what they did is a separate and even sterner part of 18, 1030.

[03:31:12]

Dagmar:

No, I think the CEO should be getting jail time.

[03:31:14]

Dagmar:

Screw fines

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|Torg|:

I think they should procesure the executives under RICO

[03:31:23]

Dagmar:

It was malicious, and this has been ongoing for some time.

[03:31:52]

Dagmar:

The comcast kids were mischievious, but didn't do any serious damages.

[03:32:02]

Dagmar:

I'd be suprised to see them get fined more than $15k or so

[03:32:17]

Dagmar:

Maybe give them a week jail time each instead.

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|Torg|:

no remove theri personal assets, you want to hurt them make them poor

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Dagmar:

If they were careless enough to leave an easily followable trail, they're low-hanging fruit.

[03:33:44]

Dagmar:

No, I was talking about giving the kids who social engineered Comcast's domain out from under them a fine or brief jail stint

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|Torg|:

I woudl have arther seen Skilling made to live in greenspoint on welfare

[03:34:03]

|Torg|:

id love to see how long he would have lasted, no they sent him to federal club fed instead

[03:34:11]

|Torg|:

fuck jail, take their assets

[03:34:49]

Dagmar:

There's clearly different rules for rich people.

[03:35:02]

Dagmar:

...which is why I won't feel bad about it when the time for pitchforks and torches comes.

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MrMunkily:

I want to see them sit down at a big table with pirate leaders (who will be wearing eyepatches) and make a historic deal to end the drm arms race.... :)

[03:48:53]

wagner:

"Dagmar: ,,, but ya sometimes when you want to make an omelet, people have to be killed", that is FANTASTIC!

[03:49:08]

iamlindoro:

Brokered by Keith Richards?

[03:49:32]

Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

...not that I'm aware of anyway

[03:50:42]

Dagmar:

I've been drinking a *lot* of caffiene tonight, so let's just say that the idea of biting people I don't like is less automatically abhorrent to me than it should be.

[03:54:42]

MrMunkily:

Those kids changed the registration address to "69 Dick Tard Lane." Oh, life's simple pleasures.

[03:54:55]

Dagmar:

Yeah, exactly. Mischief.

[03:55:25]

Dagmar:

Comcast should just be glad it wasn't say, the Russian Business Network, who would have likely spent about a week doing MITM attacks of everyone trying to pay their cable bill.

[03:57:11]

Dagmar:

Side note (OMG actually Myth-centric): It seems like this site ( http://www.silentpcreview.com/ ) really, really has their crap together with respect to hardware reviews

[03:57:23]

Dagmar:

Their power supply testing getup is just insane

[03:57:45]

Dagmar:

There's probably technicians at Underwriter's Laboratories spanking it to their site

[03:58:02]

wagner:

ive never looked at their PSU stuff, but ive read other reviews

[04:01:19]

wagner:

theyre the only people ive seen who make audio recordings when doing their benchmarks

[04:01:56]

Dagmar:

Yeah I kept seeing mentions to them on other places and finally got around to going there

[04:02:05]

Dagmar:

I'm trying to use their list of PSUs as a shopping list

[04:02:55]

Dagmar:

A PSU is usually the last thing I price out since I've got to generally do twice as much digging through the web to find out anything concrete about failure rates and duratbility and so forth

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Dagmar:

I'm still eyeing that Inovy case design pretty closely.

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Dagmar:

I genuinely like the idea of the vertically mounted optical drive

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MrMunkily:

got a link to the case?

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Dagmar:

http://www.directron.com/inovywhite.html

[04:05:01]

Dagmar:

For $40 it looks like it's a stripped or possibly refurbed (maybe overstocked) case

[04:05:30]

MrMunkily:

looks pretty sleek

[04:05:34]

Dagmar:

As usual, I'm stuck trying to find something that's not much deeper than 18 inches becuase of the shelves I'm putting stuff on

[04:05:53]

Dagmar:

...but that disc mounting gives me a nifty place to put the IR reciever for sure

[04:06:03]

MrMunkily:

I don't see any pictures of the sides or rear...

[04:06:22]

Dagmar:

Click on the "Case pictures are similar to: This case

[04:06:35]

Dagmar:

They had hte Inovy Black for awhile, but it's all sold out

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wagner:

i dont understand the big hole in the front

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Dagmar:

...which is nice since I'll probably paint the thing black, and put a Davy Jones right there in the middle of the recessed area, and then stick the IR sensor in one of it's eyes

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MrMunkily:

Neato. The "moncaso" models by the same company look pretty good too.

[04:07:33]

Dagmar:

wanger: The optical drive is mounted vertically under that, so when it opens, it slides up

[04:07:38]

Dagmar:

Oh my god those are expensive

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MrMunkily:

"Davy Jones?"

[04:07:58]

Dagmar:

They're incredibly pimp looking, but they're pricey even by HTPC standards

[04:08:07]

Dagmar:

MrMunkily: Skull and crossbones

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Dagmar:

I tend to behave as I'm treated, to a point. So... being treated like a pirate (but being too lazy to pirate anything) by the media industries, my natural reaction is to put a pirate flag on everything in sight.

[04:09:08]

wagner:

what are you going to do with an LCD screen anyway?

[04:09:18]

MrMunkily:

Wow.... they cost even more than my antec fusion did,

[04:09:33]

Dagmar:

wagner: In theory, weather information, email alerts, a really BIG number for what channel you're watching...

[04:09:41]

Dagmar:

In practice, probably not a damn thing. ;)

[04:09:54]

MrMunkily:

A waving Jolly Roger

[04:10:03]

Dagmar:

Yeah that would be nice.

[04:10:27]

wagner:

at 10'+, a little 7" screen is next to worthless for information display

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Dagmar:

I actualy boughta PSOne screen off eBay and modded it to use with a PC and then wound up giving it to someone else for what I paid for it because I dispaired of actually getting it to fit into the front of a case correctly, and kind of ran out of energy for dealing with it anymore

[04:11:17]

Dagmar:

wagner: Acutally, you should be able to read two numebrs on it at that range just fine

[04:11:28]

Dagmar:

I mean, the channel number on your TV doesn't appear that large and it's readable

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Dagmar:

It's just not worth spending a ton of money on IMHO because it's utility isn't a great deal better than that

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wagner:

thats why i said 'next to', rather than 'completely'... :P

[04:16:04]

wagner:

but yeah, youre just as well off getting a large text VFD for 1/6 the cost

[04:16:27]

Dagmar:

Oh the PSOne screen cost me $45 used

[04:16:36]

Dagmar:

They're actually really cheap

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Dagmar:

I didn't veen have to buy stuff to mod it

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wagner:

or even better, get a 15" touchpanel and a nice fold-away mount attached to the side of your couch

[04:17:12]

Dagmar:

I have a problem with touch screens, and that's that I have to touch them.

[04:17:13]

wagner:

well making your own may be relatively inexpensive, but not buying one prebuilt

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Dagmar:

I can't stand fingerprints on a screen

[04:18:56]

Dagmar:

When I finally broke down and bought the LCD for my desktop machine, I had a choice between one with shiny black outsides, and one that was matte.

[04:19:11]

RyeBrye:

What are some good specs for a frontend / backend combo that can handle HD without any problems?

[04:19:13]

Dagmar:

I picked the matte finish one because I *knew* I'd be polishing fingerprints off it six days a week

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wagner:

well ive got my PDA and phone which i clean religiously, but ive never really used a large touchscreen

[04:19:36]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Maybe 2.4Ghz dual core or higher. Aim for 3

[04:20:01]

RyeBrye:

Gotcha. I take it a video card wont really be much of a factor – since the drivers for linux don't help with hd, right?

[04:20:08]

wagner:

ryebrye: are you ATSC or DVB? do you want to play BR videos?

[04:20:12]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Exactly.

[04:20:18]

RyeBrye:

BR videos – yes – but I'll probably get a PS3 for that

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Dagmar:

For SD content you can just about use a freaking 800Mhz CPU

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RyeBrye:

ATSC / probably using a H.264 from the HD PVR

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Dagmar:

Actually, you could definitely use an 800-Mhz CPU for almost all MPEG videos at SD res

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wagner:

sd content is no issue, ATSC isnt really much of an issue

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MrMunkily:

Can linux even DO br w/o rippng first?

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Dagmar:

I used to play back tons of stuff on a 400Mhz PC, and I know the Dell Latitude CPx I have runs at like 500Mhz off battery and I play videos on that

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wagner:

DVB and HD-PVR can be a problem, since they can be h264

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Dagmar:

MrMunkly: At hte moment, no

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RyeBrye:

Yeah. I'm targeting H.264 playback

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wagner:

but any dual core proc should have no problem

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Yeah, that's what's gotten me started on this mad researching spree

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Dagmar:

If I buuy a HD-PVR, I won't be able to ignore/postpone dealing with the H.264 playback issue

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RyeBrye:

Yeah... The HD-PVR should be renamed "The hardware upgrader" :)

[04:22:35]

RyeBrye:

Yep... My current frontend is fine for SD – but I'm sick of having to choose between time shifting / watching HD

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wagner:

a low end core2 (1.86GHz) is near its limits at ~20mbps h264

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Dagmar:

Oof. I think tis' time I looked for second opinion power supply calculators

[04:23:02]

wagner:

thats plenty for DVB broadcast, and the HDPVR

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wagner:

but BR video can be double that bitrate

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Dagmar:

Ask NewEgg for 80%+ certified power supplies of 500W or more and they START at $100

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RyeBrye:

My laptop could handle the h264 playback easily – it's a 2.33 GHz core 2 duo macbook pro machine...

[04:23:49]

RyeBrye:

of course... it also has hardware acceleration avialable to do it

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Dagmar:

That's almost enough to warrant selling the two 250G drives and buying a 500Gb drive just to get the power consumption down another 25W

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wagner:

h264 playback of what?

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RyeBrye:

sorry of HD stuff

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wagner:

of what specifically

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wagner:

stuff downloaded off the internet is usually 4–8mbit

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, true

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wagner:

which is trivial for any dual core processor

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RyeBrye:

Who makes the best media center cases these days?

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wagner:

ive always heard good things of silverstone stuff

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MrMunkily:

I really like my case, it's 1st gen Antec Fusion. People think it's a stereo.

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wagner:

mrmunkily: ive been fooled by that once

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wagner:

i was visiting some friend, and we had gotten back from drinking

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wagner:

i dont know what the case was, but the power button was shaped like a volume dial

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wagner:

so i try to turn it up, but instead end up turning off his computer in the middle of him using it

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wagner:

he was not happy

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RyeBrye:

That's funny

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MrMunkily:

Haha. My volume dial-looking-thing is actually a volume dial.

[04:28:42]

RyeBrye:

Yeah... Any case with a power button on the front is proably a no-go for me unless I can disable it

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RyeBrye:

I have a 2-year old who LOVEs pushing lit buttons

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wagner:

i figured he was using a receiver to power his speakers

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wagner:

how was i to know the 2" glowing blue knob was a power button

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MrMunkily:

Well it depends on your motherboard

[04:30:03]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, true

[04:30:06]

MrMunkily:

But an ACPI power button can be essentially disabled in software – It'll still power down if you hold it down long enough though.

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RyeBrye:

Yeah... I know – that's what my current frontend has on it. It's long enough of a delay that I can usually grab him before it shuts down

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MrMunkily:

I'm recompiling mplayer to test some of those HD-PVR samples now

[04:30:52]

RyeBrye:

so the antec cases have built-in VFD panels? Does myth work with those?

[04:31:20]

MrMunkily:

The VFD – yes. works great. The LCDs werent supported until recently but I beleive that they are supported now.

[04:31:39]

MrMunkily:

The new antec fusion uses an LCD.

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MrMunkily:

The Myth wiki has a lot of info on this.

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RyeBrye:

Cool

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** RyeBrye just got a new job... so will have some extra cash to throw at his mythbox now **

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RyeBrye:

Hmmm... integrated IR receiver? I'm starting to really like the sounds of these antec cases :)

[04:33:30]

MrMunkily:

I don't have that working

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MrMunkily:

Probably because I don't have an MCE remote.

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RyeBrye:

I use a TiVo remote with a serial LIRC receiver now

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MrMunkily:

I use my TV's universal remote set to send some obsolete VCR codes with a serial receiver.

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wagner:

i use a harmony and a hauppauge receiver

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RyeBrye:

oh. so that IR receiver built into the antec cases only does MCE stuff? it can't be used as a generic LIRC receiver?

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MrMunkily:

Nope

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MrMunkily:

catch.

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RyeBrye:

That's not as exciting then.

[04:36:02]

RyeBrye:

but still cool looking cases

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wagner:

you can always swap the existing IR with a LIRC compatible one

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MrMunkily:

still, I think the MCE remotes are pretty okay DVR remotes... I'm going to order one of these because my current remote does not have enough buttons: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121003

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MrMunkily:

wagner: tried that, chickened out...

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RyeBrye:

I'm completely hooked on the TiVo peanut remotes from my TiVo days

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MrMunkily:

The existing one is mounted in a tiny board that's nearly flush with the transparent part of the VFD panel.

[04:38:34]

RyeBrye:

I finally killed my original one – but fortunately I bought 3 of them from Woot for $3 a piece

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MrMunkily:

It was too big for me to squeeze in the Ira-3's board that I'm using

[04:39:37]

MrMunkily:

I could conceivable have desoldered the photodiode and made a little cable for it... snaked it in there... I'm not so resourceful though.

[04:40:05]

MrMunkily:

I have no idea if that's even a thing you can do with a photodiode.

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RyeBrye:

What cpu should I be looking at? Core 2 Duo? AMD? Xeon?

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wagner:

c2d

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MrMunkily:

I think the consensus is C2D.

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wagner:

you should be able to just tap the photodiode, and wire it to your serial board

[04:43:42]

wagner:

just heat up the solder thats already there, and connect two new wires to it

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . 2f+HTPC+Case

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wagner:

you can leave the existing board just as it is

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iamlindoro___:

Nice link

[04:44:03]

RyeBrye:

That case would be pretty nice – if it didn't look like it was saying "Mozart Sex" on it

[04:44:08]

RyeBrye:

Yeah... should have tiny-urled it... sorry

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iamlindoro___:

RyeBrye: I've seen it in person, it looks *awful*

[04:44:24]

RyeBrye:

http://tinyurl.com/43kzcb

[04:44:34]

RyeBrye:

I just can't get over "Mozart Sex"

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iamlindoro___:

It's all plastic, not metal like it looks

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MrMunkily:

hahaha

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RyeBrye:

It's a promising design – but good to know that it is trash

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wagner:

i dont know why, but i have an aversion to thermaltake in general

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RyeBrye:

A guy I work with loves thermaltake for some erason

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wagner:

its not based on any reason, i just dont like them

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163104 that case looks awesome... but I don't need micro form factor... (or rather – I don't want to pay the extra money for it)

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163080 <-- WTF is up with that gaping hole in the front?

[04:52:57]

RyeBrye:

"There's a seat of honor for your Western Digital RaptorX drive in the front window panel"

[04:53:07]

RyeBrye:

Umm... So they put a hole in the front so you can show off your HDD?

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wagner:

yeah, i know when i look at my home theater system, i want to see a spinning hard drive

[04:55:08]

RyeBrye:

Also, I can't imagine a scenario when I would be bragging about buying a Western-Digital drive

[04:56:11]

wagner:

raptors are just too mainstream

[04:56:53]

wagner:

"oh, so you bought a fast, noisy, hot raptor, and then put it in your previously quiet HTPC?"

[04:57:16]

wagner:

SAS or SCSI should be a minimum for bragging rights

[04:57:36]

RyeBrye:

a big SSD would get my attention

[04:57:39]

wagner:

but people who buy those have no intention of bragging...

[04:57:47]

MrMunkily:

Mythtv is bragging rights enough for me.

[04:58:12]

wagner:

so they make 3.5" SSDs? or would you end up showing off the drive adapter as well?

[04:58:46]

RyeBrye:

http://www.lenscomputers.com/66000088246.html . . . nnelid=FROOG

[04:58:48]

RyeBrye:

There's one

[04:58:54]

RyeBrye:

that I think is a tad overpriced :)

[05:00:00]

MrMunkily:

Write speeds to SSDs are real slow, right?

[05:00:06]

iamlindoro___:

I say put as much as you can in the closet, run all the cabling through the walls, and terminate in sexy wall plates... but that's because it's what I do :)

[05:00:23]

wagner:

theyre slow-er, but still in the tens of MB/s

[05:00:43]

MrMunkily:

Don't they have a limited number of write-cycles?

[05:00:55]

RyeBrye:

I think they do

[05:01:02]

wagner:

yes, usually somewhere around 100000 on a single cell

[05:01:12]

iamlindoro___:

http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html

[05:01:19]

wagner:

but the drives have algorithms to balance the write cycles

[05:01:27]

kormoc:

SSD isn't /that/ slow write speed

[05:01:35]

kormoc:

the missing latency does help a lot

[05:01:40]

kormoc:

(seek times)

[05:02:01]

iamlindoro___:

And they are not plagued by the rewrite failures of compact flash

[05:02:26]

wagner:

SSDs are good for power only

[05:02:36]

wagner:

low latency is nice, but you can do much the same with memory caching

[05:02:48]

wagner:

and they dont do enough to make the cost worth it

[05:02:59]

kormoc:

depends

[05:03:01]

wagner:

if you want performance, better to go with a 15K SAS

[05:03:11]

kormoc:

my macbook's battery life went way up with a SSD

[05:03:35]

wagner:

like i said, theyre only good for power

[05:03:38]

kormoc:

and performance was much nicer then the crappy 5.4k rpm drive :)

[05:03:46]

iamlindoro___:

And silence...

[05:04:11]

iamlindoro___:

and lack of moving parts for high impact situations

[05:04:43]

wagner:

accelerometers take care of high impact for you

[05:04:50]

iamlindoro___:

haha, you hope/wish

[05:04:58]

wagner:

as soon as gravity disappears, the drives park and brace for impact

[05:05:09]

iamlindoro___:

If you think that's foolproof, you've got another thing coming

[05:05:20]

iamlindoro___:

That's an insurance policy, nothing more

[05:05:34]

wagner:

i dont think its foolproof, but i would be more concerned about the LCD

[05:06:07]

iamlindoro___:

the people who care about toughbook-type scenarios care more about recovering their data, an LCD they can replace

[05:06:42]

kormoc:

easier to solder a dismounted chip then remove a gouge from the disk platters :)

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wagner:

well if you can recover data off a drive re-entering at 15kmph, you can recover from a couple foot drop

[05:07:57]

Dagmar:

One thing's for sure... no glass substrate platters in those drives.

[05:08:25]

kormoc:

wagner, given a few years and a few million dollars... sure...

[05:08:32]

wagner:

:)

[05:08:40]

Dagmar:

Now they're pretty much making those with SSD

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MrMunkily:

Slightly on topic: Spent some time working on graphics for a theme...

[05:13:05]

MrMunkily:

Still in mockup stage: http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1605/screenan3.png

[05:14:46]

MrMunkily:

While I work on elements... I'll start with the OSD as far as something functional. I think the barrier to entry is... much... lower than the rest of myth.

[05:16:43]

Dagmar:

I'll be damned

[05:16:55]

Dagmar:

It *probably* won't make justinh scream and claw at his eyes.

[05:17:02]

Dagmar:

This is a good thing.

[05:17:28]

Dagmar:

s'actually pretty nuce kiijubg

[05:17:46]

Dagmar:

Wow I should watch the screen when I type. s'actually pretty nice looking.

[05:17:51]

MrMunkily:

Hahaha... I hope so. I don't want to make him cry.

[05:18:10]

Dagmar:

You really would not believe some of the hideous, eye-watering blasphemies we've seen

[05:18:15]

MrMunkily:

I know

[05:18:31]

Dagmar:

Like, pink and orange and day-glo green maple leaves for backgrounds and stuff

[05:18:36]

MrMunkily:

I'm new to the channel but I looked for themes for a long long time

[05:18:54]

MrMunkily:

Anyhow it's not all original

[05:19:04]

Dagmar:

Yeah it seems there's this wide area with people who have artistic talent at one end, and people who can deal with XML at the other.

[05:19:28]

MrMunkily:

Well. I cannot yet deal with XML. but. one can hope that I'll learn.

[05:19:39]

Dagmar:

...and the "good at XML" side tends to be in the negative-space of aethetic-sense.

[05:19:54]

Dagmar:

...or quite possibly some people just suck really hard at both things.

[05:20:20]

MrMunkily:

I wonder where a good place to begin learning is... I've been tearing apart themes but I find it hard to understand their overall structure.

[05:20:26]

Dagmar:

I can deal with the SML for about two hours, maybe three before I have to go do something else

[05:20:32]

Dagmar:

s/SML/XML/;

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Dagmar:

It's rather possible the LCARS thing might get finished sometime between here and winter tho

[05:21:11]

MrMunkily:

LCARS? as in star trek?

[05:21:12]

Dagmar:

Right now it's still in the "ransom note" phase

[05:21:16]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[05:21:20]

Dagmar:

Un momento

[05:21:35]

Dagmar:

Me buying a widescreen display threw everything all to hell

[05:21:41]

wagner:

the use of LCARS in mythtv would solidify your standing as a complete geek

[05:21:57]

MrMunkily:

I never really liked the look of star trek computers

[05:22:09]

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MrMunkily:

or much anything else about the show... enterprise was ok though.

[05:22:16]

wagner:

of course the mere knowledge that 'LCARS' is something from star trek is worthy of a notable mention.... :)

[05:22:47]

Dagmar:

http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . nd%20MythTV/

[05:22:51]

MrMunkily:

Haha! I know it from Qt themes! I swear that's the only reason, your honor!

[05:23:06]

Dagmar:

I just about have the music player bits working properly again

[05:23:37]

Dagmar:

MrMunkily: Sadly, LCARS is one of those things that attracts people with nearly zero sense of aesthetics or visual proportions

[05:23:50]

wagner:

heh, yeah

[05:24:06]

Dagmar:

I've probably got more details about how collectively LCARS is "supposed" to look in my notes leading up to doing this than the sites that purport to have template standards up

[05:24:08]

wagner:

i was going to say that those images are the most hideous color scheme ive ever seen

[05:24:16]

MrMunkily:

Wow, that's actually looking rather nice...

[05:24:31]

Dagmar:

Technical art is something I can _do_

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Dagmar:

Ask me to draw a flower tho and you might be able to recognize it

[05:24:45]

MrMunkily:

What's with the "this is buggered?"

[05:24:58]

Dagmar:

The OSD and the way it gets displayed *really* pisses me off

[05:25:12]

Dagmar:

It gets rescaled pretty much no matter what you do

[05:25:20]

Dagmar:

Those bars *should* all have completely crisp edges.

[05:25:33]

Dagmar:

Yet they don't because of the way the OSD gets rescaled.

[05:25:55]

Dagmar:

The all-caps "THIS IS BUGGERED" was also partly because of the damn font.

[05:26:13]

Dagmar:

That LCARS font that's floating around has absolutely mentally deficient glyph spacing

[05:26:17]

MrMunkily:

That will be less of a detriment to me...

[05:26:18]

wagner:

the mythmusic screen actually looks halfway functional though

[05:26:35]

califdreas:

ah, you are using a stng font, i gather?

[05:26:47]

Dagmar:

..and I can see no sane reason why the decending and ascending curves on S's C's G's and so forth have to go *farther out* that any other letters.

[05:26:50]

Dagmar:

It looks ugly.

[05:27:01]

Dagmar:

So I took a couple hours and rekerned and respaced the entire goddamn font.

[05:27:17]

MrMunkily:

with what? fontforge? hardcore.

[05:27:25]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[05:28:28]

MrMunkily:

So the thing I'm doing is based real loosely of this GTK theme I used for a while before deciding it was impractical for a desktop.

[05:28:41]

MrMunkily:

But perfect for a media center interface

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Dagmar:

That's what Ithought about it actually.

[05:29:14]

Dagmar:

It's a library computer access and retrival system basically.

[05:29:27]

MrMunkily:

http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Au . . . ontent=56438

[05:29:28]

Dagmar:

...and yes, that's what LCARS is an abbreviation for

[05:30:13]

Dagmar:

Heh.

[05:30:38]

Dagmar:

Someone finally ripped both Vista's Aero and Mac's Aqua simultaneously, but at least it does look okay

[05:31:08]

MrMunkily:

Inkscape's new filters are a real boon. Can't imagine doing any of this in GIMP, and faking blurs with gradients would take forever.

[05:31:10]

Dagmar:

that's one of the more useable "dark" themes I've seen tho. I'll have to bookmark that

[05:31:20]

Dagmar:

Yeah I love me some Inkscape

[05:31:34]

Dagmar:

I am a wee bit pissed off that I have misplaced the perl script I was using for theme development

[05:32:16]

Dagmar:

Since SVG is XML, it's pretty trivial to use XML::Simple to suck up an SVG image file, then rummage through it looking for names assigned to objects and diddle them into a format readable by Myth

[05:32:30]

MrMunkily:

Man it's like you read my mind

[05:32:40]

MrMunkily:

I'm thinking of having the whole theme hue-shiftable with a "build" script

[05:33:00]

MrMunkily:

with PNGs rendered from the svg source @ "build" time

[05:33:12]

Dagmar:

You could do that with sed pretty easily... Well, sed and imagemagick

[05:33:18]

MrMunkily:

maybe a little over ambitious for someone without even a single screen working yet though.

[05:33:34]

Dagmar:

Getting the overall images looking proper is the hard part

[05:33:40]

MrMunkily:

indeed.

[05:33:43]

MrMunkily:

I can has python, shell but not perl.

[05:33:45]

Dagmar:

Converting the stuff to "machine-useable" form is pretty easy

[05:33:59]

Dagmar:

...it's just tedious.

[05:34:47]

MrMunkily:

What we really need is a dancing penguin on the menu screen. That just screams class-ey

[05:34:58]

Dagmar:

Hah. Look at Mepo

[05:35:14]

MrMunkily:

I run mepo. I just disable the animation.

[05:35:31]

kormoc:

The ladies find MePo amazingly cute

[05:35:33]

Dagmar:

One word of warning... done incorrectly, the animation can consume OMG levels of resources

[05:35:48]

kormoc:

if only they thought I was 1/10th as cute...

[05:36:02]

Dagmar:

Just put on a neoprene suit and makeup

[05:36:03]

MrMunkily:

Learned that firsthand. Hence disabling of animation on my box.

[05:38:03]

MrMunkily:

I wonder if it's possible to do... tasteful animation at this (or next) stage – perhaps sliding highlight boxes, fading in/out of watermarks... You know, Apple stuff :)

[05:40:43]

Dagmar:

woot good luck. time for me to leave the office

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RyeBrye:

Isn't that the kind of stuff that should be easier in QT4?

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MrMunkily:

Dunno, it's all pipe dreams that I could even make a functional theme at this point.

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MrMunkily:

Gnight all

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dustybin:

im going to researching parts to build a cheap front end, possibly using micro atx

[10:18:44]

dustybin:

or maybe mini atx

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directhex:

there is no mini-atx

[10:22:35]

dustybin:

what is mATX ?

[10:22:51]

directhex:

micro-atx

[10:22:59]

dustybin:

aye ok

[10:23:05]

directhex:

and it should be µATX

[10:23:11]

dustybin:

o_0

[10:23:15]

directhex:

but not many people use greek symbols when typing

[10:24:30]

dustybin:

this is going to be the case im going to use

[10:24:33]

dustybin:

http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=CAH-MCE-BK

[10:24:46]

dustybin:

"The smallest mATX case in production. This slimline desktop media case is as small as a stand alone DVD player. This case would make the perfect solution for a media center PC system. AMD have approved this case, showing the high quality that this case delivers."

[10:25:50]

laga:

well, AMD also "approved" the TLB bug ;)

[10:25:51]

directhex:

careful on cooling.

[10:26:09]

directhex:

laga, AMD SI TEH BETTAR! j00 intel fanboi!

[10:26:19]

laga:

heh.

[10:26:29]

dustybin:

directhex: look how small the apple mac mini is, if apple can cool something that small so can i..

[10:26:39]

** laga likes his intel boxen. **

[10:26:49]

dustybin:

laga: what does it look like

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directhex:

dustybin, apple use laptop intel processors

[10:27:03]

dustybin:

well so can i :-)

[10:27:16]

directhex:

sure. but you need a short heatsink regardless

[10:27:19]

directhex:

hence "careful"

[10:27:37]

laga:

dustybin: looks like a big server case. or like a small laptop. depends on which box you look at. :)

[10:27:40]

dustybin:

ill use a laptop cpu, and a 2.5" HD

[10:27:57]

dustybin:

mini-atx mobo

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laga:

hum, the antec fusion is still pretty expensive :(

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directhex:

dustybin, have you priced thsi up yet, then?

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dustybin:

heres one ready built

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dustybin:

http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=CAH-MCE2-BK

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dustybin:

£200

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directhex:

£225

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dustybin:

i always look for the tell tale signs what will make a decent case, "Vista enabled"

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directhex:

plus CPU. plus RAM. plus disks

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dustybin:

i think there are 2 types of front ends, one could probably build a real cheap frontend for just SDTV

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dustybin:

the other for HDTV (mac mini)

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dustybin:

the logic here is, there is no HDTV in the UK, my friend has a spare asus ATX motherboard and a spare XP2100+ chip, and i have a spare 80 gig HD

[10:35:42]

dustybin:

all i need is a stick of ram and a psy

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dustybin:

psu

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dustybin:

so maybe i could find a standard big style ATX case with a psu already built in

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directhex:

a 2100+ won't fit an AM2 board like the one you linked

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directhex:

oh, and there's HD in the UK. just not an enormous amount

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dustybin:

directhex: my friend has a spare asus standard ATX mobo for it too

[10:38:47]

dustybin:

directhex: all i need is a case, psu, nvidia gfx card

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dustybin:

this is only a temporary frontend box until UK HD kicks in properly, and by then i might have some HDTVs

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justinh:

until UK HD kicks in. ROTFLMFAO

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justinh:

if dvb-t2 isn't DRM'd to fuck, maybe

[10:43:14]

laga:

hum. i'd love to order an antec fusion, but i have no hardware i could put in there. damn :)

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dustybin:

justinh: your so negative :-)

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justinh:

YOU'RE not your

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dustybin:

:-0

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dustybin:

my front end will consist of this

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justinh:

I'm also a pedant

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dustybin:

XP2100+, Asus ATX Motherboard, Media Centre ATX Case, 256 Megs Ram, Nvidia GFX Card

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dustybin:

could one get away with 256 megs of ram for SDTV ?

[10:45:06]

justinh:

not with any theme of mine :P

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jduggan:

with a gash theme

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dustybin:

:-0

[10:45:12]

jduggan:

id guess

[10:45:21]

dustybin:

retro?

[10:45:39]

jduggan:

g.a.n.t ;]

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justinh:

one without any menu icons

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dustybin:

yuk

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justinh:

ANY

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dustybin:

i hate gant, terrible

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jduggan:

it works

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jduggan:

;p

[10:46:13]

dustybin:

to hell with it, 512megs it is

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dustybin:

ill do a ultra minimal debian install using fluxbox

[10:47:32]

justinh:

AN ultra minimal install. FFS

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laga:

i'd do netbooting

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justinh:

do they speak English in your country?

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laga:

justinh: yay, grammar nazi :)

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justinh:

who the fuck do you think you are, Kate Nash? ;)

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jduggan:

haha

[10:48:11]

dustybin:

justinh: what are those S100 boxes you got

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justinh:

dustybin: they're not mine. I sold them to rsdvd

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dustybin:

do they make nice SDTV front ends?

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justinh:

yes but you can't

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dustybin:

ok..

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laga:

heh

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justinh:

they're a pile of frustration heaped on a bunch of difficulties

[10:49:33]

laga:

it's a bit complicated to set them up, with the proprietary VGA driver.

[10:49:36]

laga:

yes.

[10:49:44]

laga:

but once you get them running, they're nice. :)

[10:50:05]

justinh:

they're nice once you stop that blimmin front panel flashing :D

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laga:

easy one :)

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justinh:

yeah once you know how

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dustybin:

maybe i should just look for a S100

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justinh:

lol @ bbc news. "places with electricity have top broadband speeds"

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justinh:

they make for better frontends than xboxes, that's fer sure

[10:54:13]

laga:

dustybin: most information on the web is available in german, tho

[10:54:17]

justinh:

silent, cool running, small, and they don't look gash

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laga:

wlan, you can turn them on with the remote..

[10:56:57]

justinh:

wow. virgin TV channels are going widescreen!

[10:57:08]

justinh:

it's only 2008!

[10:58:08]

quicksilver:

it's the 21st century where's my flying car?

[10:58:15]

directhex:

you mean virgin1 won't be letterboxed 4:3 transmission anymore?

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justinh:

apparently not

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justinh:

that'll probably mean that 4:3 aspect shows will be broadcast with the widescreen flag too though :-\

[11:11:45]

justinh:

interesting, but saw it coming..

[11:11:52]

justinh:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a97288/ . . . -change.html

[11:12:16]

dustybin:

this is a nice looking box

[11:12:19]

dustybin:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hiper-Media-Centre-PC-V . . . photohosting

[11:13:07]

dustybin:

http://www.hipergroup.com/English/products/media.html

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justinh:

they're having a laugh at that starting price

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justinh:

http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?pro . . . acturer_id=0 – and that's NEW

[11:15:19]

dustybin:

£200 nice!

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justinh:

no CPU, no RAM

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dustybin:

and no HD

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dustybin:

that would stil cost £100 cheaper than a mac mini

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dustybin:

and it looks nicer too

[11:16:48]

justinh:

and not be as powerful, or as small, OR look as nice

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justinh:

or as quiet

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justinh:

lose all around

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dustybin:

..

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dustybin:

did apple release a range of mac minis before the ones they sell now, what still use intel chips

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justinh:

WHICH still use Intel chips!

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dustybin:

aye

[11:18:39]

justinh:

IIRC, there are single core CPU versions. lame

[11:18:58]

justinh:

they still fetch daft prices second hand so you're better off buying new

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justinh:

find somebody with a Student Union card & get the educational discount

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dustybin:

justinh: would you use the os x frontend on it, or install linux

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justinh:

buggerred if I know

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justinh:

WWJD?

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dustybin:

?

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dustybin:

they do look like nice boxes

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dustybin:

http://www.apple.com/macmini/

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justinh:

go & see one in person at an Apple Store

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dustybin:

aye

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justinh:

seeing is believing, honestly

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dustybin:

ok

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** laga looks up edu prices for the mac mini **

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directhex:

about 15% off

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laga:

hum

[11:23:20]

laga:

still too expensive.

[11:23:42]

laga:

with some squeezing and hunting, i could get a nice box in an antec fusion for 350€ or so.

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laga:

w/o a hard disk

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laga:

given that i dont really need one for a frontend

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dustybin:

im going to steal one from the apple show

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dustybin:

shop

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jduggan:

can build even cheaper if you get a budget media case

[11:25:23]

jduggan:

see gbees effort ;P

[11:25:26]

laga:

jduggan: bah. budget. ;)

[11:25:47]

laga:

i kinda fell in love with the antec fusion because it seems to try really hard to be quiet. i hate noisy boxen.

[11:26:00]

laga:

i wish they'd sell it w/o the PSU. there are quieter PSUs

[11:26:22]

dustybin:

laga: thats still a big old box

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directhex:

why were zalman ever considerd quiet? their old 92mm fan for the old "flower" 6500 cooler was 32dBA!

[11:27:00]

laga:

dustybin: i've got enough room for one.

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laga:

my current "frontend" is also my main box. and that's a bit bigger than the fusion :)

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jduggan:

cant beat a bit of loose women

[11:29:43]

** laga doesn't beat women at all **

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laga:

oh, it's a talk show.

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jduggan:

the very best of british tv

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jduggan:

;]

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quicksilver:

directhex: you're not supposed to run it at full revs, though, surely?

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quicksilver:

directhex: full revs is quite noisy but that's for massive overclockers

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quicksilver:

I run mine (I think it's 120mm not 92mm though) rather slowly.

[11:35:09]

quicksilver:

it came with a twiddle knob to adjust.

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justinh:

having seen those 'loose women' I'd hate to think of any of them as being loose

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jduggan:

heh

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justinh:

besides, why watch daytime TV when you have mythtv?

[11:38:57]

laga:

unemployment?

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laga:

;)

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dustybin:

would a high spec AMD AM2 CPU be good enough for 1080P ?

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justinh:

I watched a class episode of Family Guy last night. presented an image of a suicide bomber going up to heaven & seeing his 72 virgins. All of them RPG playing males :D

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laga:

justinh: hahaha.

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directhex:

dustybin, am2? HIGH spec.

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dustybin:

directhex: i mean the faster in the range

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directhex:

dustybin, 2ghz core2, so about 2.5 MINIMUM for amd. and don't quote me on that

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dustybin:

i could pick up this case for less than 50 squid, if i found cheap 2nd hand components for it, it would be a bargain

[11:42:24]

dustybin:

http://www.hipergroup.com/English/products/hmc-2k53a-a3.html

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justinh:

cheap 2nd hand involves dealing with ebay retardation

[11:42:52]

dustybin:

aye

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dustybin:

or craigslist

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justinh:

craigslist are in the UK now?

[11:43:31]

dustybin:

there is a website yes

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laga:

in berlin as well

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directhex:

http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/index.php?itemid=3249

[11:43:58]

dustybin:

http://london.craigslist.co.uk/

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directhex:

i hope the yanks enjoy president mccain

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justinh:

I was always happy with ebay in the past but now I see them as a bad thing

[11:44:22]

justinh:

especially with the new rules

[11:44:40]

justinh:

sellers not being able to leave bad feedback about cluelss idiot buyers

[11:47:19]

justinh:

I've still not had my feedback from that tardicle who bought the ipod case from me – the one who asked for it to be shipped to a different address 3 days after he'd paid – the day after I'd shipped it :D

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janneg:

Dagmar: news on the please join #hdpvr

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janneg:

Dagmar: news on the HD PVR hash algorithm please join #hdpvr

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** Kelerion looks around **

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** justinh waves **

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justinh:

how is / was the US, Kelerion ?

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Kelerion:

hey hey!

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Kelerion:

was awesome

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Kelerion:

going back again in 5 weeks for another month

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laga:

i seem to recall something about a girl

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Kelerion:

good memory :)

[12:22:24]

Kelerion:

so how is everyone? and whats the latest gossip? *grin*

[12:23:22]

justinh:

gossip?

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Kelerion:

well yeah... its been about a year since i was in here solidly.. there must be some myth gossip / news / updates...

[12:24:04]

justinh:

not much apart from the sex change last christmas

[12:24:47]

Kelerion:

well thats ok.. as long as your wife became a lesbian at the same time

[12:25:08]

justinh:

seriously though.. not bad. lot better since I put my crayons away

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directhex:

nah, we're talking about dustybinette

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Kelerion:

crayons?

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Kelerion:

youve stopped doing themes?

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justinh:

kind of

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laga:

i bet mythui will make you come back :)

[12:28:15]

Kelerion:

oh? its had a revamp?

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laga:

Kelerion: it's being worked on

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laga:

the qt4 port is basically happening at the same time

[12:28:57]

justinh:

I bet the shocking lack of new themes will make me want to do something about it, right

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Kelerion:

i am without myth atm during the move... have given away half my kit... and am working primaly on a single laptop these days

[12:30:36]

laga:

are you moving to the US?

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Kelerion:

thats the plan

[12:31:48]

laga:

nice. :)

[12:31:51]

laga:

found a job already?

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directhex:

gigolo

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directhex:

it pays well

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laga:

he might be a.. geek

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Kelerion:

I have a contract agency that specialises in getting positions overseas looking into that

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Kelerion:

me? geek? nevah! ok

[12:32:30]

Kelerion:

maybe

[12:32:32]

Kelerion:

perhaps

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Kelerion:

ok

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Kelerion:

busted

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Kelerion:

its around the corner from silicon valley... it shouldnt be *that* difficult for me to get a position easily enough.. and i do have a fallback of a few friends over there that can sort out something

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Kelerion:

and the house has sold... which makes me financially able to do it

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Kelerion:

am gonna have to figure out how to redo all the stuff i did with myth in the uk...in the us... which should be an interesting exercise

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justinh:

just get an ATSC tuner & it's just like freeview only HD

[12:36:18]

Kelerion:

we still doing firewire connections to cable boxes etc?

[12:36:59]

justinh:

mixed results with that

[12:37:20]

justinh:

some people get everything, some get some, some get nowt

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Kelerion:

so how are people reliably handling cable tv?

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justinh:

not forgetting the quality of HD over cable is variable depending where you get it from

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justinh:

Kelerion: luck of the draw, basically

[12:39:31]

Kelerion:

well ok then... i think thats me caught up then... lol

[12:39:51]

justinh:

wow. xbmc are having a dev conference

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directhex:

it's a trap!

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directhex:

the fbi will be there to throw them all in the partyvan!

[12:41:06]

Kelerion:

hey... your domain went poof... where are your themes now, Justin?

[12:41:12]

directhex:

hiding

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justinh:

xbmc devcon is sponsored by 'boxee'... "boxee is a NYC-based start-up company that will soon be offering a social networking multimedia-platform built on-top of XBMC"

[12:41:52]

justinh:

:-\

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laga:

huh

[12:42:11]

laga:

interesting.

[12:42:17]

justinh:

farcebook, myspaz on your TV

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justinh:

it didn't go poof. I cancelled it

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Kelerion:

ok...so we would hate that... but you *know* that *anything* with ´social networking' these days catches on

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Kelerion:

ah ok

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justinh:

they're safely ensconsed in svn anyway. had been for ages

[12:43:27]

Kelerion:

ah ok :)

[12:43:29]

justinh:

apart from glass-wide but that sucked arse anyway

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Kelerion:

not seen that one

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justinh:

very shiny

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justinh:

http://mythtvnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/glasswide01.png

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Kelerion:

I see there is a new site.. mythtvnews.com .. sweet... just scanning it and there seems to be a few more mature myth distros about now

[12:45:57]

Kelerion:

ooh...shiny

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laga:

Kelerion: yeah, like mythbuntu. :)

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laga:

</shameless plugY>

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** Kelerion laughs **

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Kelerion:

that yours?

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Kelerion:

whats MCC?

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laga:

Kelerion: mythbuntu control centre.

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laga:

Kelerion: i'm one of the devs, yes

[12:48:26]

Kelerion:

ok...im running hardy.. ¨Easily upgrade from Ubuntu Hardy to Mythbuntu¨ .. i take it its a apt source entry?

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directhex:

Kelerion, install mythbuntu-control-center package

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laga:

Kelerion: no, it's all in the archives.

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Kelerion:

sweet! you got it in the apt repo´s... nice

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Kelerion:

installing...

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Kelerion:

i presume xfce for small footprint?

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laga:

yes

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laga:

and to give a desktop-live feeling to newbies :)

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Kelerion:

ok... makes sense

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Kelerion:

so we have myth nirvana of an easy myth install

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laga:

mostly, yes.

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laga:

i wish the master backend had an embedded mysql DB

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Kelerion:

holy crap... nice control center

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Kelerion:

´enable/disable all plugins´ is available but the individual plugins are grayed out...that normal?

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laga:

you need to have mythfrontend installed

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Kelerion:

gotcha

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laga:

the dependency handling between all the checkboxes is a bit annoying.

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laga:

i'll be refactoring MCC for ubuntu 8.10 to make it less painful

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laga:

although i have no clue how to do that yet :)

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Kelerion:

oooh... amazing work guys... this is sweet

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laga:

worky?

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Kelerion:

i love the ´role´ approach...

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laga:

yeah, that was superm1's idea.

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Kelerion:

i did it the wrong way around... install themes first for some reason... now its installed myth itself :)

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Kelerion:

installing*

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Kelerion:

it went pooch..

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justinh:

mythbuntu did away with the nee of an angry german kid video on youtube ;)

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justinh:

*need

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Kelerion:

ok...typing... it wont let me copy/paste.. ¨mythbuntu-control-center: fatal IO error 9 (bad file descriptor) on X server :0.0¨

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Kelerion:

while processing mysql-server_5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.1_all.deb

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laga:

it was bound to happen. "looks this awesome.. oh, wait, it's not" ;))

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laga:

Kelerion: no clue. file a bug report in launchpad? ;)

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Kelerion:

apt-get -f install is working through it... looks fine

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laga:

odd issue.

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Kelerion:

its probably down to my individial setup.. i might have already had some remnants of mysql install for example

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Kelerion:

erm... i think its gonna kick me outta gnome...brb... lol

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GreyFoxx:

weird. Starting X with -novtswitch -sharevts on this box causes X to use 90% cpu, but not using that acts normally

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gbee:

so it seems Acer have actually managed to produce an Eee beater, at least in my opinion – cheaper than the Eee 700 with a spec equal in all important respects to the Eee 900

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GreyFoxx:

And if I launch X on my second card it doesn'tmatter, -novtswitch -sharevts makes no difference to it

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gbee:

glad that I wasn't able to buy the Eee 700 now

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justinh:

gbee: is it as diddy?

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gbee:

justinh: looks like it, though I'm still looking for info on the dimensions

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directhex:

gbee, cheaper on paper? 'cos you know brits get raped on price...

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laga:

GreyFoxx: i think i only use -novtswitch -sharevts

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laga:

only on my second card.

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gbee:

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laga:

but i don't recall the reason.

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directhex:

gbee, they can't set the price like that. they can set an RRP, and have it duly ignored by vendors. like the eee!

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gbee:

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justinh:

£199 eh.. put me down for one

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gbee:

directhex: yeah, but I'm optimistic that it will be available at that price

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gbee:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/03/acer_launches_one/

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GreyFoxx:

laga: In my dual card system with seperate X sessions using those switches on my first card always produces 90–100% cpu usage by that X session

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directhex:

gbee, optimists are forever disappointed. try pessimism! you're at worst unmoved, and at best pleasantly surprised!

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GreyFoxx:

so now I start my first without them, and my second with them and it's apparently happy

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justinh:

gbee: is that the one they reported today would be more expensive if you get it with linux on?

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justinh:

heh no. Der

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GreyFoxx:

laga: But now that I've got that working I'm back to happily having 1 machine run multiple frontends

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gbee:

justinh: nope, that's the new(er) Eee

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gbee:

justinh: it's ~1cm wider than the Eee from what I can find

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gbee:

no exact figure on weight, but under a kilo (Eee 900 is 990g)

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justinh:

has to be big enough not to fit in my wife's handbag

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justinh:

or she'll av it

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gbee:

:D

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gbee:

24x17cm no word on the depth, but looks similar or even thiner than the Eee, which is 3.5cm

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gbee:

slightly concerned that all the official press release photos avoid showing the screen, although I can't see a problem in one unofficial photo taken 'face on'

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Kelerion:

ok... i dont have a tv card of remote in this laptop... but so far this is looking *seriously* nice

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gbee:

yep, it's thinner than the Eee

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gbee:

and 40g lighter

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justinh:

looks nice

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justinh:

WANT ONE

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justinh:

might have to make that 2, just in case

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Kelerion:

hey...all the tv listing sources have gone... only schedulesdirect and EIT left

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justinh:

whoah lordy. Kevin Greening died enjoying himself it seems

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directhex:

Kelerion, you don't have any xmltv grabbers installed

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justinh:

Kelerion: you need xmltv installed for the others – not that you need em in the US

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Kelerion:

well duh *slaps his own forehead*... that makes sense

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Kelerion:

its been too long.. lol

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justinh:

haha. mate just got in touch to say he went to see a screening of 'teeth' last night. he said "look up teeth on IMDB". I did.. :-O

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directhex:

Plot Keywords:

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directhex:

Scare | Castration | Male Nudity | Morgue | Breasts

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Kelerion:

ok...the trailer kinda gives you an idea... lol

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gbee:

well congrats justinh, you've just stunned everyone into silence ;)

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justinh:

professional thread killer on forums too :)

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gbee:

so how long did your mate sit in the cinema with crossed legs after the film ended?

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justinh:

no info on that yet

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adante:

you guys haven't seen hard candy?

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justinh:

no intent

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justinh:

saw a trailer for it & thought "not one I'd pay money to see"

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** Kelerion grins **

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Kelerion:

theres my baby

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** Cat252 waves **

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Kelerion:

heh hey hun

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Kelerion:

guys...this is the one thats dragging me to LA

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** Cat252 sits quietly and just listens **

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justinh:

kicking & screaming, I bet

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justinh:

I know how bustling leeds is :D

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gbee:

Cat252: thanks ;)

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Cat252:

thanks?

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Kelerion:

leeds is awesome... LA is awesome *and* has nice weather

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Kelerion:

for dragging me outta england... heś from the UK too

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Cat252:

oh!

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Cat252:

uhmmmmm, please don't stop chattin because I am here :/

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Kelerion:

Cat... its because of these guys you are gonna have wires trailing all over the house

[14:02:29]

Cat252:

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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justinh:

ffs guy who I lived in the flat next door to in Ashton was killed in January. christ how many more people that I knew are going to die?

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** justinh passes Kelerion a plastering float, a bucket & some plaster **

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Penfold_:

<philsophical>all of 'em. eventually</philisophical>

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** Cat252 grabs it form justinh and dumps it all on Kel's head **

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justinh:

s/die/be murdered

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Kelerion:

trust me... you dont want me near any DIY equipment

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Kelerion:

last time i channeled a hole in a wall to hide a cable...then plaster it up... it looked all fugly

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sid3windr:

hard candy was a good movie

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sid3windr:

:]

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justinh:

that's 4 people I've known who've been murdered now. that's not a good average

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Penfold_:

justinh: ick. no :(

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directhex:

justinh, it's grim oop norf

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directhex:

i've never been murdered. not once!

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Kelerion:

me either...am sure i´d remember

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justinh:

heh

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Cat252:

uhmmmmmmm

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justinh:

you're probably ok if I haven't worked with you or lived next door

[14:06:33]

Cat252:

you've met him though :P

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Cat252:

so..................... HE'S NEXT!!!!

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justinh:

if you say so. we have the log :)

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Cat252:

heh

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Kelerion:

does ´work´ include spending 2 days telling newbs how amazing myth is?

[14:07:07]

sid3windr:

you will die in 7 days

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gbee:

justinh: we've had a chat and decided that you can no longer work on MythTV, nothing personal it's just that the devs fear for their lives

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directhex:

though we've arranged svn commit access for mediaportal for you

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directhex:

and a star role at the next mediaportal dev conference

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directhex:

be sure to make lots of friends

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** Kelerion coughs **

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justinh:

hahaha

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Kelerion:

ok... i´ve just remembered why xmltv runs are usually done at night

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janneg:

if someone looks at the HD PVR driver

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janneg:

178e2 is an interesting offset

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directhex:

janneg, reverse engineering windows drivers?

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Kelerion:

oh...sweet...xmltv now gets icons by default

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directhex:

doesn't work right on beeb channels IME

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Kelerion:

ah well

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laga:

GreyFoxx: yeah, multiseat X is pretty neat.

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gbee:

but 0.21 includes a built in icon downloader anyway

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directhex:

i want a viennese whirl

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Kelerion:

oh yeah... i see that...

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directhex:

but i ate them all yesterday

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justinh:

I want to be a tree

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iamlindoro___:

All we have left now are Dirty Sanchez's

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iamlindoro___:

That is to say, Sanchez...es....

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iamlindoro___:

Sans chaise...

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justinh:

dirty, sans cheese?

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directhex:

dirty-san's chaise

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justinh:

ere san, don't fancy yoo-ers much!

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iamlindoro___:

directhex: We're not friends any more if you ever say the words "President McCain" again, btw

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iamlindoro___:

Don't scare me like that

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iamlindoro___:

Just like that one time you joked that George Bush would win a second term. Boy, we sure had a laugh that one time.

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justinh:

that one time, at band camp?

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iamlindoro___:

What happens at band camp stays at band camp

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** justinh goes looking for a flute **

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, i recall joking, back when i was an undergrad, that the war in afghanistan would turn into a decades-long occupation in the middle east with massive loss of life and lead to a net increase of terrorism in the west, with major erosion of civil freedoms

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directhex:

oh how we laughed, my housemates and i

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iamlindoro___:

Yeah, that was a knee slappe all right

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iamlindoro___:

slapper

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** iamlindoro___ ponders the fiscal realities of a move to .au **

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iamlindoro___:

Where, of course, I will get a job as a professional Road Warrior, and compete regularly in their Thunderdomes

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directhex:

you could move to .nz and become a professional hobbit

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justinh:

iamlindoro___: not fancy becoming a scotlander then? :P

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iamlindoro___:

justinh: That place was COLD

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justinh:

that weekend was what we'd have called a scorcher IIRC

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iamlindoro___:

hehe, probably... My context is California, so that puts me at a disadvantage

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XLV:

anyone ever tried the hd set top box from tranquil http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/HOME_MEDIA_SERVER.html ? whats the hardware used in it, and can it be hacked to use linux on it, or it can be used with mythtv?

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justinh:

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[14:53:10]

iamlindoro___:

XLV: appears just to be a SageTv PC, no reason you would need to hack anything at all

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justinh:

other than the fact saggyTV isn't compatimible with miffyteevee

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MinDKrime:

I wish we could run a frontend on that

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XLV:

iamlindoro___, not the media server.. the hd set top box.. is that a low powered x86 pc, or some embedded different arch?

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iamlindoro___:

justinh: He could just format the drive, no? Their "home media server" is no more than a stock PC, is it?

[14:55:04]

iamlindoro___:

ah

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justinh:

some embedded thingy

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iamlindoro___:

XLV: it's their own hardware, with hardware codec accel

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iamlindoro___:

if you could get linux onto it, you'd enjoy none of the benefits

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** justinh plays the Family Fortunes 'UH UHHHHH' noise loudly **

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iamlindoro___:

My mistake, he said the HD set top box part right there in the question

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iamlindoro___:

curse my fourth grade reading level

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directhex:

justinh, http://www.jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/11 . . . g_answer.mp3

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justinh:

that's the one!

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directhex:

YES!

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hashbang:

justinh: did you get your MP3 car hifi in the end? Kenwood?

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gustave:

no mention or release of an HD-PVR beta/test driver yet eh? Anyone know?

[15:21:23]

janneg:

gustave: I'm working on it

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laga:

hey hashbang

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gustave:

excellent. Thanks! Challenging, or pretty easy?

[15:21:55]

laga:

long time no see :)

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janneg:

gustave: there is a nasty part, otherwise it's not that hard

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hashbang:

laga: wotcha

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gustave:

janneg: What was the nasty part? The challenge response part?

[15:23:20]

janneg:

yes

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laga:

hashbang: sitting at uni, getting taught shell basics..

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hatchmt:

So, my video is running terribly slow when doing HD (cpu usage for mythfrontend is like 150%, which is odd). I ran mythfrontend with -v playback and I'm seeing this:

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gustave:

janneg: strange that. Anyone working on Myth Integration? You cant do it all.

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hatchmt:

VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'xvmc-blit' not av

[15:24:04]

hatchmt:

ailable. codec 'MPEG2' makes 'opengl,xv-blit,xshm,xlib,' availabl

[15:24:04]

hatchmt:

e, using 'opengl' instead.

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directhex:

hatchmt, ATI?

[15:24:18]

hatchmt:

ugh... you get the idea.

[15:24:23]

hatchmt:

no, NVIDIA FX 5200

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janneg:

not that I know of, but mythtv integration should be simple

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directhex:

hatchmt, sort your drivers out, methinks

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laga:

hatchmt: you need to configure your playback profiles.. just use Xv ;)

[15:25:32]

hatchmt:

Xv doesn't seem much faster on my system.

[15:25:35]

gustave:

janneg: where are you planning to post the test driver? The Wiki? Just so I know where to look. And dont harass anyone on list

[15:25:37]

Andreaz:

Is it planned to implement mhp in mythtv ?

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laga:

the ubuntu packages have a patch to prefer Xv instead of opengl, but that (and similar patches by other people) were never committed AFAIK

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hatchmt:

I take it back — it is noticibly faster, but it still skips around a lot

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GreyFoxx:

Andreaz: MHP ? What's that ?

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hatchmt:

my xorg log shows 'Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation', so I don't know what else to look for.

[15:27:32]

Andreaz:

GreyFoxx: I would say the european version of mheg

[15:27:50]

Andreaz:

http://www.linuxtv.org/dsmcc-mhp-tools.php

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GreyFoxx:

I was under the impression that was somewhat already in there

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GreyFoxx:

but I could be mistaken

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Andreaz:

I think only mheg... but maybe im wrong too – but at my last try, mhp refused to work. :)

[15:29:12]

janneg:

gustave: I'll start hosting the driver on my own server. the announcement will go to the v4l ml with cc to a couple of other lists

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janneg:

mhp is not implemented

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hatchmt:

hmm — I suppose I could just use 'mplayer -vo xvmc' to see if it's working in xorg... I'll toy around with it some when I get home today

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Andreaz:

janneg: I dunno why theyre using mhp here instead of mheg.. :(

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gustave:

janneg: the v4l list is hosted by RedHat? Interesting. If that is the one, I will subscribe and watch for it

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janneg:

gustave: yes

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GreyFoxx:

It's really toobad nvidia wont release code/specs for using the decoding abilities of their cards

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laga:

it's really too bad that nvidia wont release code/specs at all

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** directhex awaits a vendor adding support for libva into their drivers **

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** directhex will then wait for a playback app which can use it **

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GreyFoxx:

is that the vaapi stuff ?

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directhex:

yeah

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justinh:

hashbang: yeah got a kenny

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GreyFoxx:

is vaapi even in a workable state with any cards?

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directhex:

it's still a bit of a work in progress

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directhex:

i'd feel better about life if i saw a single reference to someone without an @intel.com address working on it

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hashbang:

justinh: how do you find the file/folder limit? 15000 files, 500 folders, 4096 files per folder, AFAICS...

[15:40:57]

justinh:

only using a 2GB USB flash

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hashbang:

justinh: ah, OK

[15:41:28]

justinh:

a car is no place for even a mobile HDD

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hashbang:

justinh: I'm not having a lot of luck finding a car hifi with sensible limits

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justinh:

way I see it is there's FA point putting my whole library on there

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hashbang:

justinh: well, I use my iRiver H340 in my car already... :-)

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justinh:

you cannot navigate your whole library with 5 buttons

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hashbang:

justinh: if they're cursor + select, it's doable

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hashbang:

(albeit not whilst driving!)

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justinh:

there's a truckload of bollix in my music library – hardly any of which I even LIKE anymore

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hashbang:

haha

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justinh:

most of it is throwback to when I was a DJ..

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hashbang:

justinh: worst limit so far is Sony's: 65535 files (fine), 500 files/folder (fine), max of 128 folders (oops)

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justinh:

ffs that's bad

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justinh:

KDC-W6537 is the one I got anyway. yet to run into any bother with it

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justinh:

just wish it did ogg

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hashbang:

justinh: yeah, that was the one I remember you said you were looking at

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hashbang:

justinh: Halfords are doing the Sony MEX-BT3600U for 139.99 inc. fitting, or I can get a BT2600 (no USB) for 90 from an online vendor

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justinh:

got a steering wheel interface for it too – volume, folder select, track prev/next & source select

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justinh:

KDC-W6537U – CD/MP3/USB/IPOD Ready £79.99

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justinh:

caraudiodirect.com

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hashbang:

yeah, I got to the bottom of those; for Fords, the PC99-X07 replaces the ISO harness too

[15:46:19]

hashbang:

the Sony's do Bluetooth which would be nice to have; both for answering calls, and for streaming music from my K800i

[15:46:58]

justinh:

shitty folder limit though eh

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hashbang:

I wouldn't be surprised if my phone ends up being my MP3 player soon; 8GB cards for it are only 30 quid.

[15:47:15]

hashbang:

justinh: aye. :-(

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justinh:

shouldn't bloody need folders in this day & age anyway

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hashbang:

justinh: all down to limited on-board memory on the hifi I guess, but it's like the designers have never used MP3 devices...

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hashbang:

oh, I think folders are great, given we don't have queryable database-like filesystems

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justinh:

I haven't tried the software I got with the head unit yet

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justinh:

don't reckon I ever will either

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iamlindoro__:

I remember trying to use MusicMatch with a minidisc recorder I used to have... that was the more frustrating five minutes of my life

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iamlindoro__:

s/more/most

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justinh:

they cleaned it up a lot. it's not bad now. way too late though

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iamlindoro__:

There was nowhere to go but up when last I tried it

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justinh:

iTunes is a big pile of steaming poo

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justinh:

try dragging stuff over to an iPoo when it isn't in your library.. computer says no

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justinh:

1. it's not MY iPoo. 2. I don't want my wife's stinky music on my machine. 3. her laptop can't have XP or Vista on it to run the latest iTunes. GRRR

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justinh:

just replaced it with yamipod. Bliss!

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justinh:

drag, drop. done

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stoth:

Here's a challenge: The first person to full the HD PVR crypto function out of the windows driver, build a generate C version that can be included into Janneg's GPL driver (and is endian aware), I'll personally buy an HD-PVR and ship it to them for free. Your result has to be GPL code that can be merged into the kernel. See #hdpvr channel if you're interested.

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stoth:

full/pull

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iamlindoro__:

stoth, Nice offer!

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** stoth nods **

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** iamlindoro__ goes to watch the /join messages in #hdpvr :) **

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iamlindoro__:

stoth, You would know better than I, but would there be any takers on that in #linuxtv?

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mkrufky:

its not a tv dev challenge — its a hacker challenge

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mkrufky:

any hacker is eligible

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gustave:

stoth; You should post this challenge to the myth and myth-dev lists too. Very generous of you BTW

[16:39:28]

kormoc:

gustave, it's being attempted to sorta keep this hush hush a bit

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kormoc:

gustave, there was requests to not digg or slashdot or the like

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mkrufky:

i think you should put a time limit on the challenge, stoth ... somebody will *eventually* get it done... but the sooner the better

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stoth:

I'm not going to announce anythinig anywhere else. This is the only place _I_ will announce it.

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stoth:

No time limit, but first past the post with source code that meets the requirements above wins.

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mkrufky:

keep it hush hush? this chat room is one of the most searchable irc chat rooms via google

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kormoc:

mkrufky, searchable is something different then going out and announcing it

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mkrufky:

i wont argue... i dont care, so long as there is a driver

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gustave:

great to see a push and some activity on the driver development.

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kaktuspalme:

hi all

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kaktuspalme:

there are boxes out there based on linux on which dvb-s2 works, how is this possible?

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iamlindoro__:

By using closed-source drivers?

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laga:

by using unfinished drivers?

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anykey_:

kaktuspalme: there's a patch for dvb-s2 with mythtv ;)

[16:50:02]

kaktuspalme:

iamlindoro, no, thats not possible

[16:50:12]

iamlindoro__:

kaktuspalme, Why in the world would you think that?

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kaktuspalme:

iamlindoro, gpl

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iamlindoro__:

so what?

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iamlindoro__:

The GPL doesn't prevent closed-sourcde drivers

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iamlindoro__:

You can write all the closed source nonsense you want and base it on linux

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iamlindoro__:

eg, Tivo, nvidia, etc., etc.

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laga:

anykey_: dvb-s2 or just dvb-s using multiproto?

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kaktuspalme:

iamlindoro, they can't distribute it with dvb-s2 api, if they do, they have to release it under gpl

[16:51:28]

anykey_:

laga: both, #5403

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iamlindoro__:

kaktuspalme, There's nothing whatsoever stopping them from writing their own DVB-S2 API and drivers, and having them run on linux

[16:52:01]

iamlindoro__:

And as there *is* no finalized S2 API on linux yet...

[16:52:11]

kaktuspalme:

iamlindoro, they have to release it as OpenSource then

[16:52:19]

iamlindoro__:

kaktuspalme, No, again, they do NOT

[16:52:47]

iamlindoro__:

as long as your work is original and doesn't use GPL code unto itself, you are free to laeve it closed source and license it as you wish

[16:53:23]

kormoc:

(assuming the interface doesn't export with require_gpl)

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iamlindoro__:

This is exactly why you cannot peek at most of TiVo's code, or nvidia proprietary drivers, etc.

[16:53:34]

kaktuspalme:

iamlindoro__, im speaking of AB IPBox 9000HD

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kormoc:

(but even then you can write a shim between them)

[16:54:51]

iamlindoro__:

kaktuspalme, what difference does the box make? I am telling you that they are free to close-source their own API and driver implementations, regardless of what box it is.

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kaktuspalme:

iamlindoro__, i only wanted to show you what box i'm speaking of, i havent said it makes a difference :)

[16:56:55]

iamlindoro__:

As that box is running on a 266 Mhz processor and purports to play back 1080i h.264 material, you can bet your rear end that all of that acceleration is proprietary and closed source, as is likely the DVB-S2 implementation

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|Torg|:

maybe it 1080I at 1KB/min :P

[16:58:50]

kaktuspalme:

i'm waiting for dvb-s2 :) i want to make a media computer, im waiting since january, but no problem to wait :)

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|Torg|:

why not write your own driver

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kaktuspalme:

i'm too stupid to do that at the moment

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|Torg|:

so am I, dosnt stop me from trying tho

[17:01:01]

kaktuspalme:

i would learn it if i had enough time to learn that

[17:01:23]

|Torg|:

if you try you can learn it

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iamlindoro__:

this is all very inspiring

[17:03:23]

kaktuspalme:

i would wait for the dvb-s2 api first, and then waiting to have too much time

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iamlindoro__:

janneg, Did you notice that A. Strange has submitted a bunch of multithreading patches in the last few weeks? Am excited about that GSoC project, glad to see he's hard at work :)

[17:29:28]

janneg:

iamlindoro__: yes

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iamlindoro__:

Looks like he's working on simple codecs first to get his approach down but the project as a whole has awesome potential

[17:31:16]

GreyFoxx:

Is that the framelevel multithreading stuff ?

[17:31:19]

iamlindoro__:

yeah

[17:31:23]

GreyFoxx:

sweet

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wagner:

GCoS?

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wagner:

oh, summer of code

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wagner:

its a terrible project!

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro__: Have you got a link to the project page for it?

[17:32:42]

wagner:

it means ive got up buy a new dual-core processor for my front end

[17:32:57]

wagner:

of course my current proc is a 939, which arent really available anymore

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abqjp:

Dual core? Nope, QUAD core!

[17:33:11]

wagner:

so that means i need a new board, and new memory... and... agh...

[17:33:11]

iamlindoro__:

http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=FFm . . . ding_support

[17:34:04]

iamlindoro__:

http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ffmpeg/appinf . . . BF705A5D5DBB

[17:34:11]

iamlindoro__:

the second is a better description

[17:35:35]

iamlindoro__:

Short answer, it makes the pretties run smoooove

[17:35:47]

iamlindoro__:

It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again

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** EvilGuru looks at last years... **

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abqjp:

I wish I could use yadif(2x) for 1080i, but my 3GHz dual core is not up to that.

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iamlindoro__:

Actually, between the multithreading improvements, MLP encoding and decoding, and the finishing of E-AC3 support... well, next ffmpeg sync is looking exciting indeed :)

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abqjp:

MLP, E-AC3 — are those part of blu-ray?

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iamlindoro__:

they are used in blu-ray discs, but they are audio codecs unto themselves

[17:39:46]

EvilGuru:

abqjp: I think there is E-AC3, DTS-HD Master and TrueHD

[17:40:07]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, MLP = TrueHD

[17:40:14]

abqjp:

so, then we just need menu support for blu-ray.

[17:40:54]

iamlindoro__:

abqjp, Well, this won't make blu-ray disks playable in myth, just blu-ray rips. There's no decoding library (that works on linux) for blu-ray yet.

[17:41:15]

EvilGuru:

The 177 nVidia drivers (supposedly) have support for audio-over-HDMI, so it might be possible to send the streams to an A/V receiver

[17:41:19]

abqjp:

And they keep coming up with new ways of encrypting.

[17:41:23]

wagner:

there are libraries for AACS arent there?

[17:41:40]

directhex:

EvilGuru, didn't know about that detail of 177.x

[17:41:50]

abqjp:

http://softwareblogs.intel.com/2008/04/28/hdm . . . theater-pcs/

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iamlindoro__:

wagner, There is a non-functional library for AACS being worked on, it's not working just yet-- only the very earliest BR disks are AACS, though

[17:42:30]

iamlindoro__:

almost all disks being released new now are BD+, which can only be ripped w/ AnyDVD HD ATM

[17:42:34]

iamlindoro__:

(in windows)

[17:42:36]

EvilGuru:

directhex: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php? . . . postcount=33

[17:42:40]

wagner:

ok, i have no idea when they started using BD+

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, it's a pain in the butt

[17:42:58]

abqjp:

Can AnyDVD do them all, or does it need updated everytime a new disc is released?

[17:43:19]

iamlindoro__:

abqjp, They have a disk here or there they have to update for, but largely it can remove BD+ across the board

[17:43:21]

EvilGuru:

abqjp: Apparently it is immune to any kind of revocation

[17:43:23]

directhex:

EvilGuru, hm, and i thought 177.x was still under NDA

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EvilGuru:

directhex: I believe it is, guess it will ship in the next few months

[17:43:47]

GreyFoxx:

iaml: Do you rip and then convert them, or just rip and play as is ?

[17:43:51]

mjj29:

EvilGuru: does it use an oracle?

[17:44:06]

mjj29:

(does it have to be online to their server)

[17:44:19]

EvilGuru:

I am unsure there

[17:44:21]

GreyFoxx:

Just wondering if there was the start of a brdvdnav/brdvdread library out there which we will eventually want to look at

[17:44:26]

directhex:

EvilGuru, i mean that in a "i'm not allowed to talk about 177" sense

[17:44:34]

iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, Have just been leaving them as-is, I have plenty of space

[17:44:50]

abqjp:

30–50GB each?

[17:45:05]

iamlindoro__:

20–30 generally, for just the film itself

[17:45:13]

GreyFoxx:

iaml: Are they patching mplayer directly or putting stuff into seperate libraries and calling those?

[17:45:14]

iamlindoro__:

10–20 GB are usually extras, etc.

[17:45:26]

wagner:

177.x being.... nvidia drivers?

[17:45:32]

EvilGuru:

wagner: Yes

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GreyFoxx:

mainly the navigation stuff I'm curious about right now more than the actualy decoding

[17:46:08]

iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, I have been applying patched to mplayer to play them-- one each for MLP and E-AC3 and a few little ones to improve m2ts demuxing

[17:46:28]

iamlindoro__:

No menu support whatsoever that I know of in linux

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GreyFoxx:

k

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** EvilGuru would be happy with working player support **

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, The libaacs guys were at www.decrypthd.org, but they appear to be kaput at the moment

[17:48:03]

iamlindoro__:

They didn't seem to intend to work on BD+, though, and their "library" still required that you get a key file as you must currently to rip, so it wasn't the easiest decryption in the world

[17:48:28]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, It's playable today, so long as you get them ripped/decrypted and patch mplayer appropriately

[17:48:50]

iamlindoro__:

if you want to play off the disk, though... well, it may be a bit

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GreyFoxx:

how long does it take to rip them via anydvd hd ? :)

[17:52:50]

iamlindoro__:

Usually 60 minutes or so, it's really not too bad

[17:53:23]

iamlindoro__:

I usually get lucky and the feature files are early on in the disk and once they're done I cancel the rip since I don't care about extras

[17:55:51]

GreyFoxx:

Wonder if powerdvd can be made to run under wine

[17:55:57]

GreyFoxx:

to play them directly

[17:56:36]

iamlindoro__:

Doesn't look promising per AppDB

[17:57:17]

** iamlindoro__ wonders why people always point to that stupid ubuntu wiki article on Blu-ray when his is so much better :) **

[17:57:42]

iamlindoro__:

Probably because theirs has pictures.

[17:58:24]

EvilGuru:

iamlindoro__: Where is your article?

[17:58:32]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, on the myth wiki

[17:58:43]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, because ubuntu is the world and the world is ubuntu... embrace the one... it will steal your soul and mind and make you one of it's loved masses...

[17:58:46]

wagner:

pretty pictures please the masses much more than descriptive text

[17:58:52]

iamlindoro__:

heh

[17:59:03]

GreyFoxx:

drink the koolaid

[17:59:20]

iamlindoro__:

Mmm, podpeople

[17:59:35]

wagner:

heres youre sneakers

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directhex:

erm, if it;s on an ubuntu wiki, no ubuntu person uses it

[18:00:05]

directhex:

ubuntu people use ubuntu FORUMS!

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iamlindoro__:

The ubuntu article doesn't even begin to address the audio formats, so most people who pay one of the files in stock ubuntu mplayer will be watching a silent film reel...

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iamlindoro__:

although I admit I'm somewhat partial :)

[18:00:31]

iamlindoro__:

s/pay/play/

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EvilGuru:

What about the new DTS format? Is that currently supported at all

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** GreyFoxx just wants to stop getting DVD's and move to bluray.... so they gotta come out with Transformers already **

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iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, from what I understand the newer DTS format encapsulates a "classic" DTS stream so that should play on current mplayer OK

[18:02:12]

iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, 9/2/08

[18:02:21]

GreyFoxx:

Oh it's been announced? Cooll

[18:02:23]

iamlindoro__:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

So that will be the day I move to bluray

[18:02:38]

GreyFoxx:

IT'll be my gateway disc

[18:03:02]

EvilGuru:

iamlindoro__: That is my understanding also. I think it has a 'correction' file and support for an extra channel or two

[18:03:10]

iamlindoro__:

yeah, exactly

[18:03:42]

iamlindoro__:

And the LPCM support was a matter of minorly patching the demuxer, so that works ok with some tweaking

[18:04:07]

iamlindoro__:

I have given up updating the patches biweekly for mplayer and ffmpeg, so now I'm just sticking with my current revision until everything is committed

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iamlindoro__:

Too much work to keep updating it for pretty much no gain... plus it's painful to have to manually specify the audio track and codec on each file-- once it's into ffmpeg, I can finally enjoy pain-in-the-ass-free viewing

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iamlindoro__:

!trout MrMunkily broken ISP

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** MythLogBot slaps MrMunkily with a broken ISP trout on behalf of iamlindoro__... **

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[18:14:18]

wagner:

is there any such thing as an X proxy?

[18:14:39]

wagner:

something that will manage X programs, and then forward them on demand to another X server

[18:14:53]

wagner:

kind of like VNC, but windowless

[18:14:56]

mkrufky:

ssh ?

[18:15:03]

mkrufky:

ssh -X host_machine

[18:15:37]

wagner:

more like 'screen', but for X programs

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GreyFoxx:

never heard of such a beast

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|Torg|:

wagner I belive you may be confused how X works, its just a display, xhost or tunnel with ssh works fine

[18:15:52]

directhex:

xmove

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directhex:

i think

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wagner:

|Torg|: i know exactly how X works

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|Torg|:

xrandr

[18:16:38]

wagner:

basically, ive got xchat running on my server over VNC currently

[18:16:51]

wagner:

so i can use xchat on my laptop while at home, or at work, without closing the program

[18:17:07]

directhex:

xmove – pseudoserver to support mobile X11 clients

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mkrufky:

i googles xmove — that looks like it should do the trick for you, wagner

[18:17:12]

mkrufky:

googleD

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directhex:

but y'know, ignore the guy who knows what he's talking about

[18:17:31]

mkrufky:

(i was only confirming your answer)

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wagner:

xmove looks promising, thanks directhex

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|Torg|:

ssh -Y, xrandr -display :10.0 or whatever it is

[18:20:07]

|Torg|:

extends the curent desktop

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|Torg|:

Im assuimng you simply want to take control of the xchat

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wagner:

basically, i want to be using it on my laptop while at home, then turn off my laptop, go to work, and start using it again, without closing xchat

[18:22:17]

wagner:

vnc does this, but within a frame, i was looking for something more like how windows terminal server works, where it forwards just the one application

[18:22:21]

wagner:

xmove looks like what i want

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wagner:

lets try this out

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venger:

are the Z,End keys supposed to skip the commercials on recorded shows during playback or am I mistaken?

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mkrufky:

those keys load the commercial marks into the editor in edit mode

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mkrufky:

to skip automatically, just enable skip automatically

[18:29:12]

mkrufky:

hit M-> commercial skip (i think thats what its called)

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mkrufky:

you can enable this by default in the setup menus

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venger:

ok M for menu. I remember a skip method when setting this up a long time ago so i'll check that too. Thanks.

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Anduin:

venger: Z/Q Home/End, yes

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Anduin:

(keys.txt for default keys)

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmmm You know what would be interesting.... roll mythtv-setup into mythfrontend. Then it there is only "1" setup app and no more --backend-only crap :)

[18:43:31]

EvilGuru:

Is MythTV not doing GSoC this year (google turns up nout for it)

[18:43:37]

GreyFoxx:

Evil: No

[18:43:47]

GreyFoxx:

Haven't done last years either

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laga:

GreyFoxx: i'd like embedded mysql better :)

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|Torg|:

actually what id like is a http based or cli based mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

torg: Eww :)

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beandog:

that's not a bad idea

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|Torg|:

why, no X to screw with can setup and recan with any ssh client including my palm pilot

[18:44:58]

GreyFoxx:

you have a commandline one! mysql, and a webbases on... pma :)

[18:45:06]

beandog:

I toyed with the idea of writing a www frontend for mythtv setup

[18:45:31]

GreyFoxx:

bean: I'm trying hard of a reason to not integrate it into the FE

[18:45:53]

sid3windr:

cli based = good; frontend = good; http = ok; current = notsogood

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|Torg|:

I can already set most things with myphpadmin, but you can not scan with it

[18:46:45]

|Torg|:

and direct sql inje3ction has no sanity checking, so I wouldnt call it an aproprate interface

[18:47:27]

GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't mind a merging of the gui's, and maybe some rejigging of where options are at the same time

[18:47:41]

GreyFoxx:

though if it was up to me I'd loose halfof the options anyway

[18:47:55]

beandog:

My big issue is that the options arent well documented

[18:48:03]

laga:

maybe some options need to be secret, only toggable using mysql magic

[18:48:04]

beandog:

as in, they could use a better description of what I'm changing

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|Torg|:

even something as simple as mythtv-setup -rescan 0 or something

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laga:

|Torg|: danielk is working on a CLI based scanner.

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GreyFoxx:

laga: I could live with that

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laga:

GreyFoxx: or maybe have simple and advanced modes for each screen

[18:48:52]

sid3windr:

hmm, now that I'm imagining it, webbased could be the nicest way to have it all

[18:49:34]

laga:

mythbuntu actually wants to make a web-based mythtv-setup, but who knows when that's gonna happen.

[18:49:45]

justinh:

bleh

[18:49:58]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, so my parents wanting to change the theme in the frontend have to go find a PC to do it rather than the gui they already have with the remote they already have? No way :)

[18:50:02]

kormoc:

laga, it'd be nice if they'd try to work with me bout that...

[18:50:04]

|Torg|:

just roll mythweb into the backend :)

[18:50:13]

laga:

kormoc: of course.

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laga:

kormoc: when are we gonna start? :)

[18:50:22]

|Torg|:

of course bigger is beter, codeboat and all

[18:50:33]

kormoc:

laga, I already have a fair bit of it done :P

[18:50:35]

justinh:

just fork it (tm)

[18:50:40]

GreyFoxx:

korm: Cool

[18:50:43]

kormoc:

laga, just gotta clean it up a bit

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iamlindoro__:

Whatever happened to that fork, anyway?

[18:51:09]

iamlindoro__:

Died with a whimper I expect

[18:51:11]

justinh:

maybe its tines broke off

[18:51:22]

GreyFoxx:

Heheh you know, using the screenshot stuff, and a form of th enetwork controls you could turn mythweb into something to manage both FE's and mythtv-setup heh

[18:51:31]

laga:

kormoc: nice. can you put it somewhere?

[18:51:43]

** justinh gives up looking for the other s100 wlan antenna **

[18:52:00]

xris:

kormoc: rewriting mythweb in c++?

[18:52:12]

kormoc:

laga, once I clean it up a bit, sure, I'll likely actually commit it in. It's mainly capture card and storage group management. Nothing with scanning and the like tho

[18:52:14]

xris:

or a mythweb-based setup?

[18:52:25]

justinh:

wonder who'll relish the job of keeping the gui & web setup pages in sync

[18:52:28]

kormoc:

xris, nah, mythweb based management of the stuff that makes sense

[18:52:39]

kormoc:

justinh, that'd be me of course!

[18:52:56]

justinh:

as long as *somebody* does it :)

[18:52:57]

kormoc:

most of the stuff I've done is fairly simple

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|Torg|:

you wouoldnt have to convert mythweb to C++ just xml and use the already made structres in the code

[18:53:23]

kormoc:

scanning and the like, actually checking the setup is correct, etc, that's a rather large problem that I can't just do

[18:54:15]

kormoc:

laga, feel free to bug me next weekend, given I'll be majorly drunk this weekend :P

[18:54:21]

laga:

a nice channel amangement tool would be neat.. although there's a patch for bouqets in svn somewhere.

[18:54:24]

abqjp:

mkrufky, have you had a chance to inquire about dolby digital?

[18:54:29]

laga:

kormoc: nice. any particular reason for the drunkenness?

[18:54:39]

kormoc:

laga, what's wrong with the current one?

[18:54:42]

|Torg|:

laga does there have to be one?

[18:54:51]

kormoc:

laga, new job! Last day is this friday, so there will be much partying! :)

[18:54:57]

laga:

not in svn, in trac i mean

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justinh:

laga: multirec jiggerred any hope of that patch working

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laga:

kormoc: awesome :)

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laga:

kormoc: it's a PITA to handle lots of channels, eg with DVB-S

[18:56:10]

mkrufky:

abqjp: call tech support, they probably have a better idea now

[18:56:17]

mkrufky:

theres too much on my plate to get involved

[18:56:17]

abqjp:

KO

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xris:

kormoc: yeah. isaac always told me not to do that, so I never bothered.. he was worried that things would change too often and that it would be hard to maintain. the long-term goal was to actually build an API into the backend so you could query it to do whatever config you wanted.. but that it could actually send the config options back in the API so nothing had to be hard-coded into mythweb.

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mkrufky:

dont tell them you called previously

[18:56:40]

kormoc:

xris, whoops...

[18:56:41]

abqjp:

Actually, I have never called — just emailed.

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kormoc:

with that in mind... I wonder if it should go out then

[18:57:05]

mkrufky-away:

oops

[18:57:13]

mkrufky-away:

i said, (in the wrong room)

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justinh:

yay found the other antenna. in the place I should have looked in the firts instance – the storage rack

[18:57:24]

xris:

kormoc: if you're happy to maintain it, then I'd say "sure"

[18:57:49]

kormoc:

heh, fair 'nuff

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kormoc:

it's all bout scratching my own iches!

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kormoc:

*itches

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xris:

should talk to cdev or others about getting an API for it, though. the thought was to start putting ALL of that config type stuff into an API so that programs like mythweb would never have to touch the db directly... and so that changes to how things are set up only had to go into the backend.

[18:58:44]

justinh:

right. 2 s100 boxen ready to ship

[18:58:56]

kormoc:

if we're gonna do an API, I should just wait and finish the new happy bindings and go off of that

[18:59:07]

justinh:

bye bye useless junk.. er I mean interesting frontend hardware :P

[18:59:21]

kormoc:

all those folks who said, 'Commit what you have! I'll help' never bothered to submit anything...

[18:59:27]

kormoc:

ugh

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iamlindoro__:

"Heliocreek," friendly fork of mythtv w/ Arabic user interface, Last activity six months

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justinh:

haha I was just about to post that

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** iamlindoro__ examines Heliocreek's injured leg, nods solemnly, and fires twice into its skull **

[19:01:05]

laga:

there was no reason to fork

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laga:

except to have their own QA for things like sudo ffmpeg ;)

[19:01:40]

** iamlindoro__ buries Heliocreek next to FreeSCI and sheds a single plaintive tear **

[19:01:46]

justinh:

don't forget sudo mplayer

[19:02:41]

** justinh exhumes Heliocreek & throws it down onto a mudflat where crocodiles are known to linger **

[19:02:42]

kormoc:

Heliocreek has a yuotube plugin?

[19:02:57]

justinh:

kormoc: not so much a plugin

[19:03:13]

justinh:

more a 'grab youtube URL, sudo wget, sudo ffmpeg, sudo mplayer'

[19:03:53]

kormoc:

the lead dev is named Heliocreek, wow, nice name for your project

[19:03:57]

sid3windr:

:D

[19:04:05]

justinh:

maybe there was too much "EEEEW, WTF ARE YOU DOING YOU MORONS?" on the mailing list to encourage them

[19:04:05]

sid3windr:

more like heliocritique now

[19:05:00]

** justinh is glad he hasn't sought approval from the mailing list for anything since THAT thread **

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kormoc:

http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.p . . . e=prdownload

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directhex:

i only code things that justinh enthusiatically encourages first

[19:05:47]

kormoc:

Awesome download stats

[19:05:53]

directhex:

fortunately, that means i never need to do any code

[19:06:21]

justinh:

on the plus side, heliocreek did get some RTL language stuff & translations into mythtv

[19:06:58]

justinh:

directhex: only saving you work. I mean – rewriting mythtv in C :D

[19:07:46]

directhex:

justinh, C's old and smelly. i wanna do it in python now!

[19:08:09]

justinh:

do it in $language_du_jour!

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laga:

grails

[19:08:29]

justinh:

and rewrite it every time clutter update their API

[19:08:55]

directhex:

one plus-point for a core library in C would be that wrapping C and using it in language-du-jour is easy compared to where it's C++

[19:09:14]

directhex:

myth is already a mix of things – e.g. perl for little back-end bits & bobs

[19:09:20]

justinh:

I've seen a few blogs about stuff using clutter... "latest clutter broke everything, so rewrote X, Y & Z again"

[19:09:56]

|Torg|:

why not use the same facility that spits out status on port 6544

[19:10:14]

justinh:

must be a mare for cases where various distros don't keep in sync with versions

[19:10:45]

justinh:

|Torg|: the xml spitter-outer?

[19:10:50]

|Torg|:

yes

[19:11:10]

|Torg|:

conversion from html to xml is much easer then to C++ or other language

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justinh:

wonder what the XBMC guys would make of it all, now they're going straight

[19:15:08]

iamlindoro__:

Hmm, anyone know who the current title holder is for most drive bays in a full size case?

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|Torg|:

4 SATA, 2 IDE, 1 DVD

[19:16:42]

|Torg|:

im pretty sure thats isnt a record tho

[19:16:47]

ventz:

If you have 2 jobs, and as you schedule a recording you auto-check both of them, will #1 run before #2 (or #3)?

[19:17:18]

ventz:

I have one job to flag+cut commercials, and another to transcode to flash video

[19:17:34]

iamlindoro__:

Yeah, well numbers don't help me, I need products... and I just need a tower w/ tons of drive bays

[19:17:39]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: I've seen SCSI raid boxes in a full tower, something crazy like 10 bays

[19:17:53]

iamlindoro__:

Yeah, that would be about right

[19:17:58]

justinh:

sourced from lian-li IIRC

[19:18:08]

justinh:

might've been a custom jobby though

[19:18:30]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, lian-li is it

[19:18:55]

iamlindoro__:

cool, will give that a look, thanks

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sid3windr:

10 bays = crazy? :x

[19:22:24]

kormoc:

10 bays? nah

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|Torg|:

no there are custom built NAS server that use a full tower of bays

[19:23:02]

|Torg|:

mostly its just cooling thats an issue

[19:23:03]

kormoc:

12 external 5.25" bays

[19:23:04]

kormoc:

http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product0 . . . ;ss_index=61

[19:23:26]

iamlindoro__:

kormoc, Yeah, something like that is exactly what I'm looking for, thanks!

[19:23:30]

kormoc:

and 9 internal drives

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kormoc:

:)

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kormoc:

I love Lian Li, a little more costly, but amazing designs (compared)

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directhex:

kormoc, it's a rip-off though

[19:25:47]

darthy:

when adding a dvb-s channel manually into the db: what is the transportid?

[19:25:53]

directhex:

kormoc, coolermaster brought out their 11-bay stacker years ago

[19:26:23]

|Torg|:

darthy: its a row in the transport table that defines the frequency, etc for tuning

[19:26:50]

|Torg|:

and its a dvb thing, not just a dvb-s thing

[19:27:17]

directhex:

as in 4 years earlier

[19:27:20]

kormoc:

directhex, so did Lian Li...

[19:27:33]

kormoc:

directhex, that's not the first one they did, it's just the lastest...

[19:27:47]

darthy:

|Torg|: whats the exact name of the transport-table? i dont have a table named "transport" .

[19:27:59]

directhex:

kormoc, i can't see any earlier comparable case

[19:28:02]

kormoc:

directhex, I had a 12 bay Lian Li back in '99

[19:28:05]

justinh:

dtv_multiplex

[19:28:14]

kormoc:

directhex, well, my dad did. It was snazzy

[19:28:16]

|Torg|:

mythconverg.dtv_multiplex

[19:28:17]

kormoc:

dual power supply, etc

[19:28:19]

justinh:

darthy: dtv_multiplex

[19:28:48]

darthy:

the transportid field is inside dtv_multiplex. but where does it point to? or what does it mean?

[19:29:08]

|Torg|:

its the ID of the Transport

[19:29:14]

darthy:

im trying to import a channel from a channels.conf which is not added by the scanner.. :(

[19:29:23]

directhex:

kormoc, i have nothing against lian-li (this pc i'm using right now is in a v1100), but it seems terribly derivative

[19:30:15]

kormoc:

directhex, I don't care if it's derivative, they do it better. I've never cut myself on a lian-li case, and I've never sworn at the design. Easy to replace components, and they never break. They're worth it in my opinion

[19:30:18]

|Torg|:

when your dvb card scanns the sats it gets a list of transports, each have an ID (if you want to know what is what look them up on lyngsat)

[19:30:20]

iamlindoro__:

Thoughts on Foxconn for Mobos?

[19:30:31]

beandog:

run far away

[19:30:33]

|Torg|:

that mutiplex has things like frew, inversion, rate and fec

[19:30:34]

darthy:

where to get the transport id from?

[19:30:49]

|Torg|:

its from the people who brdcast to the sats

[19:31:05]

darthy:

is transport and transponder the same?

[19:31:18]

jarle:

darthy: yes

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darthy:

ahh

[19:31:24]

darthy:

:)

[19:31:27]

directhex:

kormoc, the v1100 is flawed in places IMHO, but i've never been 100% happy with a case

[19:31:40]

directhex:

iamlindoro__, cheap, and usually ATI chipsets

[19:31:56]

directhex:

iamlindoro, everyone's using a little bit of foxconn, anyway

[19:32:16]

kormoc:

directhex, compared, I can't name better cases, so sure, there's things I'd do differently, but I can't name a better name

[19:32:17]

** kormoc shrugs **

[19:32:23]

iamlindoro__:

directhex, Yeah, not for a myth box, actually just throwing together a little md setup for work

[19:32:37]

kormoc:

directhex, you could always start your own case manufacturing

[19:32:38]

iamlindoro__:

I guess I'll just go the safe route and get an intel Mobo

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directhex:

woo, the daily show \o/

[19:33:53]

directhex:

(yesterday's, but still)

[19:34:25]

darthy:

where to get the network id from? is it somewhere inside a channel.conf?

[19:34:36]

|Torg|:

darthy: transportid is not the same as trasponder but they are related

[19:34:54]

|Torg|:

its like the relationship between channel id and the frequency id

[19:36:01]

|Torg|:

network id, like transport id is all brqadcast by the provider

[19:36:24]

darthy:

and the network id has to fit with the one being broadcasted?

[19:36:36]

|Torg|:

you scan in one freq with proper symbol rate, inversion, polarity and fec

[19:36:44]

|Torg|:

then the sat gives you all it transport (or should)

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darthy:

will mythtv overwrite wrong db setting then? or can i set it to auto?

[19:37:28]

|Torg|:

when you go back to scan myth has all these in its databases and uses each on to tune to to get what it on the multiple, each "channel" is a part of that multiplex (as are other things like guide info)

[19:38:16]

|Torg|:

there has to be somethign about this on google or a wiki somewhere

[19:38:39]

darthy:

problem is, i cant use myth to scan cause it wont find the channels. though szap can tune to them and get a lock

[19:39:06]

|Torg|:

myth wont scan encryptd channels

[19:39:21]

|Torg|:

well ti will scan them it just wont report anything backl

[19:40:00]

darthy:

it does find encrypted channels.. no prob.. but channels with mor then one video/audio feed are not found..

[19:40:07]

darthy:

im looking for a workaround for that

[19:40:17]

darthy:

currently only editing the db seems the solution

[19:40:41]

darthy:

but im missing the right information for that and dont want to crash the db

[19:40:54]

darthy:

do you now a better solution for this?

[19:41:20]

|Torg|:

go to lynsat and find the sat you want to scan in, chose one transponder and do a tranponder scan, then when it done do a full transport scan

[19:41:53]

|Torg|:

http://www.lyngsat.com/

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darthy:

thanx

[19:42:35]

darthy:

ill try

[19:50:15]

darthy:

|Torg|: sorry.. but im a total noob. you mean by choose a transponder, choose "existing transport scan", after that i do a "full scan of existing transports" ?

[19:50:41]

darthy:

or should i add a new transport?

[19:51:01]

darthy:

theres nothing like "transponder" in the mythtv-setup. or am i blind?

[19:51:03]

|Torg|:

no the default should have a plce to put in a new transport, you need frequency, rate, inversion and fec

[19:51:27]

|Torg|:

lyngsat reports the rate and freq in 1000' so add 000 to each (or is it 4 0s I forget)

[19:51:47]

justinh:

3 zeros

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darthy:

so.. i took a look at the transport list, the transport i needed was already there. when i do a "existing transport scan" the channel i need is not found. should i now choose "full scan of existing transports"? isnt that only scanning all transports..the scanner will also scan the needed transponder but wont find the channel as like the single transponder-scan.

[19:59:50]

darthy:

right?

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|Torg|:

if you have one good multiplex it shoudl be able to find the rest

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darthy:

what do you mean by "one good multiplex" ?

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darthy:

you mean the 1st channel out of the multifeed?

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|Torg|:

when you scanned in that one by hand, the one you got from lyngsat, it added it and any other transports it found

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|Torg|:

if it did not work, shoose another and try again

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killaz:

hello

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joomla_user:

finaly semester and time to install mythtv

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joomla_user:

is there free internet tv in mythtv?

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iamlindoro__:

We keep it right next to the chess plugin

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joomla_user:

i have started vituall fishing module for mythtv now, it uses gyro like wii remote. does lirc work with bluetuth

[20:29:58]

laga:

virtual fishing?

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iamlindoro__:

Sure does. But only on MePo4Myth

[20:30:22]

iamlindoro__:

laga, meet joomla_user, #mythtv-user's most reliably present troll

[20:30:44]

laga:

ah.

[20:30:50]

joomla_user:

i voted for George W Bush 8 times

[20:30:54]

laga:

didnt you also want a chess plugin?

[20:30:58]

joomla_user:

no

[20:30:59]

laga:

LOL

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tim1:

Hi Can any one help me my backend stopped by its self and wont start.

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tim1:

I fixed phpmyadmin tables restarted mysql , it just wont start keeps saying

[20:39:55]

tim1:

Removing stale PID file /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend * Starting MythTV server: mythbackend

[20:40:52]

tim1:

When i restart it says no usr/bin/mythtv-backend found running

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killaz:

I need to configure my mythweb using .htacess. Can you give me an example of this file, because I cant it anywhere on my system

[20:43:37]

wagner:

tim1: run it directly, rather than through your OSs startup scripts. youll actually be able to get some verbose information to figure out the problem

[20:44:19]

xris:

killaz: why not use the apache conf file that comes with it, instead?

[20:44:28]

wagner:

killaz: the howtos for mythweb suggest against using the .htaccess files, rather putting the necessary lines directly in the apache .conf file

[20:45:17]

xris:

wagner: or using the included .conf file that you can toss into the conf.d directory after a couple of modifications to pathnames (which are different between the distros). the INSTALL doc with mythweb covers most of this.

[20:45:42]

killaz:

xris: I have to confess I installed mythtv using mythbuntu. Hopefully you won't run away....

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xris:

killaz: which version? are you running mythtv .21?

[20:46:13]

killaz:

xris: I found the INSTALL file... so in there they tell how to install this...?

[20:46:21]

laga:

killaz: /etc/apache2/sites-available/mythweb.conf

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tim1:

wagner found the issue DVBChan(1:0) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed.

[20:49:31]

wagner:

i thought the backend would continue operating happily after a recorder failure, it would just function as if the recorded did not exist

[20:49:58]

wagner:

anyway, what recorder?

[20:50:12]

wagner:

do you have drivers, permissions set up properly?

[20:50:24]

tim1:

wagner its dvb-t kworld 100 and nova t

[20:50:48]

wagner:

are they visable in /dev/dvb?

[20:50:54]

tim1:

any way i opend mythtv-setup it says a backend is running how ?

[20:51:03]

killaz:

xris: .21 yes

[20:51:17]

killaz:

laga: thank you I will take a look at his file

[20:51:17]

tim1:

ls /dev/dvb adapter0 adapter1

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wagner:

and the user mythtv runs as has read/write access to the nodes in those folders?

[20:52:59]

tim1:

wagner it says root root

[20:53:14]

wagner:

youre running mythbackend as root?

[20:53:16]

tim1:

root root 120 adapter1

[20:53:22]

ventz:

Anyone know of a way I can control the execution of the job queue?

[20:53:35]

ventz:

i want to be able to run job1, then job 2

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tim1:

no i m not. not intentionally any way

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wagner:

tim1: i mean the nodes inside the folder

[20:53:50]

wagner:

not the folder itself

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tim1:

i done ls -la /dev/dvb

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iamlindoro__:

dvb devices are, in ubuntu, owned by root, that's ok. They're world-readable IIRC

[20:54:22]

tim1:

ahh

[20:54:29]

wagner:

also, mythtv-setup will not warn of an active backend unless it can actually communicate with the backend

[20:54:44]

tim1:

wagner: i see

[20:54:54]

wagner:

so you have an instance of the backend running somewhere

[20:55:10]

tim1:

when i run top i have a backend running ?

[20:55:30]

iamlindoro__:

ps aux |grep mythbackend.real (assuming you're using mythbuntu, otherwise drop the .real)

[20:55:36]

wagner:

you must, if mythtv-setup tells you so

[20:55:53]

tim1:

when i cant stop it thou, /mythbackend found running; none killed.

[20:56:35]

tim1:

i will kil pid

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wagner:

kill `ps ax | grep mythbackend | grep -v grep | awk '{ print $1 }'`

[20:57:04]

tim1:

wow dude :) show of or what ?

[20:57:25]

tim1:

surprise bash: kill: (14272) – Operation not permitted

[20:57:25]

killaz:

laga: I have the setenv db_login and db_passsword set, but still I get message from mythweb you have failed to configure mythweb's database login info

[20:57:35]

wagner:

sudo kill?

[20:57:45]

tim1:

ok done i dont sudo :P

[20:57:46]

laga:

killaz: are these the same as in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ?

[20:58:02]

killaz:

aha let me see

[20:58:11]

tim1:

didnt print any thing htou

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wagner:

tim1: grep and awk are fairly basic *nix commands

[20:58:49]

tim1:

backend is gone from top

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tim1:

wagner ok

[20:59:32]

tim1:

run the backend now ?

[20:59:56]

tim1:

or the setup

[21:00:43]

wagner:

no idea... the backend cannot open the cards, but the cards exist in /dev. however iamlindoro said the cards are world readable under mythbuntu

[21:00:48]

killaz:

laga: thank you. You were right they weren't the same

[21:01:01]

wagner:

perhaps they got reordered somehow, and mythtv is no longer trying to access the correct IDs?

[21:01:09]

tim1:

wagner the cards show up fine on the setup

[21:01:22]

laga:

killaz: yeah, that's a known problem.. it'll be fixed eventually in mythbuntu

[21:02:14]

tim1:

the way it all stopped was really strange!

[21:02:15]

killaz:

laga: ok. Even the killer apps has issues so ...

[21:04:17]

killaz:

I'm going to format a second HD. which fs do you recommend?

[21:04:39]

EvilGuru:

killaz: For lots of video files/large files? XFS

[21:05:38]

wagner:

why would the startup script fail, when it continued to run when you started it manually?

[21:06:29]

tim1:

ahh the ip of my computer has changed, (i plugged it directly to the modem) But why would mythtv stop the front end knows the ip is" localhost"

[21:07:22]

iamlindoro__:

because it doesn't use hostnames across the board, there are various portions of myth that a IP-dependent

[21:07:26]

wagner:

why does the mythtv box need DMZ access?

[21:07:27]

iamlindoro__:

are

[21:08:09]

joomla_user:

what the serial key for mythtv?

[21:08:21]

iamlindoro__:

Just use you XP key, it will work fine

[21:08:29]

laga:

FCKGW-....

[21:09:01]

|Torg|:

actualy use google to look up the mythtv keygen

[21:09:11]

wagner:

joomla_user, you can try '12345'

[21:09:19]

iamlindoro__:

that weird, I have that same code on my luggage

[21:09:22]

killaz:

EvilGuru: why XFS and not JFS?

[21:09:23]

iamlindoro__:

that's

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tim1:

iamlindoro__: i get it , see here Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.2 that's not the present IP. what's strange is that it worked for very long after the IPs changed.

[21:09:52]

EvilGuru:

killaz: Nothing against JFS; both will do fine, I just have more experience with XFS

[21:10:03]

killaz:

EvilGuru: ok...

[21:10:07]

wagner:

here we go... full-free-download-Mythtv-torrent-crack-serial-keygen.html

[21:10:19]

|Torg|:

WTF googling mythtv keygen actualy works

[21:10:21]

joomla_user:

if XFS corrupt and youll have all the free space you need for new movies

[21:10:26]

iamlindoro__:

-0-d4y-XViD-l0l.torrent

[21:11:18]

joomla_user:

but dont worry mythtv never breaks

[21:11:22]

directhex:

i've had major disk loss to JFS errors more than once

[21:11:27]

directhex:

including a production server at once

[21:11:29]

iamlindoro__:

Not when you never bother to install it, anyway

[21:11:32]

directhex:

no similar trouble with XFS

[21:11:32]

killaz:

pffff mythtv crack-serial.....

[21:11:42]

tim1:

lol

[21:11:48]

|Torg|:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=myth . . . crack+keygen

[21:12:07]

EvilGuru:

I know XFS has some aggressive caching — but it is without doubt well tested

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wagner:

i almost had a major disk loss from JFS

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|Torg|:

that or I have a Paypal acount you can send money to and ill generate one for you :P

[21:12:38]

directhex:

my views are in no way influenced by my big expensive support contracts with SGI at work

[21:12:59]

wagner:

if you need to fsck it, rather than telling you so with you try to mount, it will instead tell you that your superblock has been corrupted

[21:13:40]

gbee:

Finally .. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a972 . . . escreen.html

[21:13:45]

joomla_user:

clearin innode 1 of 100000000000

[21:14:06]

directhex:

i've lost all my recordings once, had large portions of /etc written with garbage once, and never worked out what was happening on the last machine, other than that it wouldn't boot and it was finally time to try out my disaster recovery docs

[21:14:26]

joomla_user:

you can play tettris from what is left of those files , puzzling where the fit

[21:14:31]

|Torg|:

ext3, it not sexy but it works

[21:14:34]

EvilGuru:

I have lost a system to ReiserFS, although it was my own falt

[21:14:58]

directhex:

i've never lost an FS to reiser... i've had it roll back by about an hour. somehow.

[21:15:02]

EvilGuru:

(never put an ReiserFS image inside of a ReiserFS partition...)

[21:15:29]

wagner:

|Torg|: it works, until you try to delete something... and then it can cause disk access issues if youre recording at the same time

[21:15:29]

iamlindoro__:

I've never lost a FS to Reiser, but I'm sure never lending him my car again

[21:15:30]

|Torg|:

yes but to use RiserFS you have to remove the passenger seat from your vehicle

[21:15:46]

directhex:

less murder jokes, people

[21:15:51]

directhex:

stay classy

[21:15:58]

EvilGuru:

How could i guess those were inbound?

[21:16:00]

directhex:

there's the US elections to mock, that's terrifying for everybody

[21:16:24]

Dagmar:

Wow

[21:16:29]

Dagmar:

I wanna go to Mexico now

[21:16:41]

|Torg|:

I jut got back it was nice :)

[21:16:45]

EvilGuru:

I like mocking 'Mad' Max Mosley

[21:16:46]

Dagmar:

I just saw a news article that they're beating up Emo kids in the streets.

[21:16:56]

kormoc:

Dagmar, no you don't... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24943229/

[21:16:58]

Dagmar:

FINALLY, some useful street violence

[21:17:04]

wagner:

dagmar: thats fantastic

[21:17:08]

directhex:

iamlindoro, how's this for a nightmare scenario: hillary salts the earth, and declares she's running independent because she has to "fight for justice" after the democratic party "deny" her and "the majority of primary voters" their choice of candidate

[21:17:21]

joomla_user:

gooooooooooooooooooooal

[21:17:32]

|Torg|:

gee how many point is that worth

[21:17:38]

iamlindoro__:

directhex, I have my fears about it

[21:17:41]

directhex:

mexico's anti-emo violence is largely homophobic (the term 'emosexual' is popular there)

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directhex:

and there's no conditions under which beating up a particular subculture is good

[21:18:04]

Max_Rockatansky:

Which way to Thunderdome?

[21:18:16]

directhex:

iamlindoro___, i'm dying to see what she pulls this evening. your prediction?

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[21:18:50]

iamlindoro__:

I predict she suspends the campaign but doesn't quit, concedes he has the delegates, and publicly states she is "willing" to be VP

[21:19:15]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro too late, she already has

[21:19:15]

iamlindoro__:

I then proclaim that I am "willing" to punch her in the vulva

[21:19:23]

joomla_user:

i think obama will win and become first muslim persident of the usa

[21:19:26]

iamlindoro__:

|Torg|, all she has done is the last bit

[21:19:33]

laga:

EvilGuru: TBH, it's a shame that everyone is hating on max mosley now. nobody should give a *gently caress* what this guy is doing in his spare, private time

[21:19:35]

|Torg|:

joomla_user: obama isnt muslim

[21:19:39]

Dagmar:

directhex: Have you had any experience with whiny emo kids?

[21:19:45]

iamlindoro__:

|Torg|, he's a trollllllllllll

[21:19:56]

Dagmar:

directhex: THis is one instance in which it very well might be okay to beat someone to toughen them up

[21:19:59]

joomla_user:

obama is not a troll he is a muslim

[21:20:08]

iamlindoro__:

He comes in to push peoples buttons on account of the tiny penis thing

[21:20:11]

directhex:

Dagmar, there are kids infinitely more deserving of being stomped in the face

[21:20:14]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro Im not contradicting you, just correcting joomla_user

[21:20:23]

Dagmar:

directhex: Stomped in the face is overkill, yeah

[21:20:32]

Dagmar:

Some rib punching and butt kicking tho...

[21:20:47]

Dagmar:

Only cowards stomp on people's fac3e.

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|Torg|:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/03/electi . . . s/index.html

[21:21:19]

joomla_user:

Thats what US army is doint in Iraq

[21:21:27]

iamlindoro__:

|Torg|, just mean that joomla_user is a troll, he's just here to amuse himself

[21:21:31]

|Torg|:

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-29846

[21:21:40]

Dagmar:

Well, trolls go into the ignore list

[21:21:54]

Dagmar:

...although we really should talk to chanserv about implementing a permaban

[21:22:45]

directhex:

Dagmar, you condone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMStV1Yum2o ?

[21:23:30]

kormoc:

ookay......

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kormoc:

this is wildly OT and a bit... over the top

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|Torg|:

directhex: where was that taken?

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Dagmar:

directhex: Like I said, it depends on how the beating goes down

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directhex:

Dagmar, 6 on 1 gangs punching in the face?

[21:24:28]

Dagmar:

Note you're looking at a video of skinheads.

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|Torg|:

note your lookign at a blurry as hell video

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Dagmar:

If they're the "usual" type of skinheads, they're racist chickenshits who can't handle themselves in a 1:1 fight.

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EvilGuru:

Dagmar: Sure you don't want a shovel?

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directhex:

Dagmar, i'm looking at videos posted on "Movimiento Anti Emo sexual Inc"

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directhex:

Dagmar, they're a loud blog cheering for the violence in mexico

[21:25:35]

Dagmar:

Emos are annoying as hell, man.

[21:25:41]

directhex:

Dagmar, videos are just easier to display

[21:25:50]

Dagmar:

If they did just a wee bit less moping around maybe things would be different

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EvilGuru:

Dagmar: True as that may be, a beating is not the solution

[21:25:58]

|Torg|:

whats an emo?

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EvilGuru:

|Torg|: Similar to a goth in some respects

[21:26:16]

wagner:

'emo' has nothing to do with sexual

[21:26:18]

Dagmar:

Torg: People so depressive even goths don't respect them

[21:26:29]

wagner:

being 'emo' means you take clinical depression as a lifestyle

[21:26:31]

Dagmar:

It looks like a bunch of other ugly behaviours are getting lumped into it tho

[21:26:44]

directhex:

wagner, oh, but it does. it's largely sexually ambiguous, which is an affront to mexican machoness

[21:27:22]

directhex:

|Torg|, goths with even worse hair, dress sense, and depression issues

[21:27:30]

kormoc:

Dagmar, nothing ugly about alternative sexuality...

[21:27:44]

Dagmar:

No, I'm talking about ugly behaviours from racist skins

[21:28:22]

Dagmar:

Looks like mexican media and bloggers are making them *ahem* into jews, so to speak

[21:28:41]

kormoc:

in anycase

[21:28:45]

Dagmar:

I'm not sure of a more accurate metaphor for it

[21:28:54]

kormoc:

let's take this to #mythtv-OT or the like :P

[21:29:02]

directhex:

did you hear about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7316601.stm&nbs p;?

[21:29:54]

EvilGuru:

directhex: Did it make the nationals?

[21:30:00]

directhex:

EvilGuru, aye

[21:30:10]

kormoc:

directhex, too bad folks like that never attack me...

[21:30:11]

Dagmar:

It's not cool to make a subculture the group "to eliminate"

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Dagmar:

Well, I guess in MX's case, counter-culture

[21:30:31]

directhex:

EvilGuru, http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/28/ukcrime

[21:30:36]

|Torg|:

Goth, trying to express their individuality by looking like every other goth trying to express their indivualtiy

[21:30:43]

Dagmar:

torg: Don't even go there.

[21:30:48]

|Torg|:

haha

[21:30:55]

Dagmar:

That's just as bad as sayign all blacks look alike.

[21:31:02]

directhex:

ooh, handy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Lancaster

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|Torg|:

actually Dagmar I could care less how someone dresses

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directhex:

53 references

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|Torg|:

if you want to die your har purple and wear black lipstick go for it

[21:31:34]

directhex:

|Torg|, i care. some goths look hot

[21:31:43]

Dagmar:

There's plenty of variation amongst punks and goths. People who aren't in those groups just don't know what referential markers to look for.

[21:31:47]

directhex:

lord knows the chavs who do that kind of shit don't & can't

[21:33:17]

Dagmar:

If you're going to dislike a subculture, take the time to look at them closely. Find meaningful reasons to dislike them, like incessant, petulant, whining.

[21:33:33]

Dagmar:

...but kicking people to death, geez that's lame.

[21:33:39]

directhex:

i hate people on a deep, personal level. i don't resent their culture

[21:33:44]

|Torg|:

I dont dislike subculture I just dont particiapte in it

[21:34:06]

|Torg|:

people on the otherhand, certain individuals genuinly piss me off

[21:34:24]

Dagmar:

Yeah, if you're going to hate someone based on a snap generalization, you're just lazy.

[21:34:24]

|Torg|:

but I could care less about where someone comes from, what race they are or what they wear

[21:34:40]

keith4:

what if they wear nothing at all?

[21:34:50]

Dagmar:

I'll look the other way.

[21:34:52]

Dagmar:

Unless they're hot.

[21:35:22]

|Torg|:

I dont care if thye want to run arround nude or not, not even if my children see it

[21:35:55]

|Torg|:

I jusdge people by the actions, usualy the lack of it

[21:36:01]

Dagmar:

If you're thinking I'm a savage for not immediately decrying the emo beatings, remember I'm from Tennessee.

[21:36:17]

|Torg|:

remeber I am from Texas

[21:36:20]

wagner:

|Torg|: well there are sanitary issues

[21:36:37]

Dagmar:

"The Volunteer State", which doesn't seem to have been so much about volunteering as it was that Tennesseans culturally like a good fight.

[21:37:14]

Dagmar:

beating people to death is a nogo, but there's a lot of testosterone to be burned off withotu killing someone (which is very very overkill)

[21:37:47]

directhex:

so join fight club

[21:37:55]

Dagmar:

Take punk mosh pits for example. Tehre's a lot of violence in there, but setting about to break people's jaws and so forth is unacceptable even there

[21:38:57]

Dagmar:

directhex: I think you can sum up the pokemonos thing as a matter of bullying going into overdrive.

[21:39:08]

Dagmar:

The emos "fighting back" will probably be enough to put a stop to it

[21:39:39]

directhex:

moshing causes bruises. but at least it's broadly consensual

[21:40:21]

janneg:

Dagmar: I made the HD PVR riddle easier: I have the disassembly of the original function

[21:40:28]

Dagmar:

janneg: Hell yes

[21:41:01]

Dagmar:

janneg: I feel like such a noob. Once I sat down and started converting the damn numbers into 64-bit ints a lot of stuff came back to me that I was just not seeing before

[21:41:32]

Dagmar:

I was geniunely wondering things like "why does this sequence of 1, 2, 4, 8 never get followed with a-f? *headdesk*

[21:42:02]

EvilGuru:

What happened to the proposed replacement of XvMC? Did it ever get finalised or whatever

[21:42:05]

iamlindoro__:

janneg, Is that to say that you have an algorithm for generating them, or still looking at it?

[21:42:11]

|Torg|:

and that function is a buch of bit manipluation not really crytographic

[21:42:27]

Dagmar:

Torg: Well, it counts as a hash even if it sucks

[21:42:27]

janneg:

hex strings, I ommitted the usual 0x

[21:42:44]

Dagmar:

janneg: Oh I know, but a-f are *eyeroll* not single bit

[21:42:46]

directhex:

EvilGuru, libva

[21:42:58]

directhex:

EvilGuru, not finished yet. thanks for volunteering!

[21:43:21]

Dagmar:

I was just too used to thinking of single digits as being octets

[21:44:59]

** directhex hands Dagmar a 128-bit cpu, demands he decide how long "long long long" is **

[21:45:18]

EvilGuru:

As XvMC has always seemed a bit lacking, even for MPEG2, the CPU load was not significantly reduced and the de-interlacing was poor

[21:45:27]

kormoc:

well, long is 32 bits, long long is 64, long long would be 96 :P

[21:45:33]

** Dagmar squeals and hides **

[21:45:46]

clever:

kormoc: id think it would be 128

[21:45:47]

clever:

double:P

[21:46:01]

|Torg|:

double double long

[21:46:10]

iamlindoro__:

That's my porn name

[21:46:14]

clever:

lol

[21:46:14]

directhex:

EvilGuru, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/vaapi – get coding.

[21:46:16]

Dagmar:

long int is looooooooong

[21:46:20]

Dagmar:

(had to say it)

[21:46:40]

directhex:

-ffast-math is speeeeeeedy? or am i getting too nerdy now

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kormoc:

directhex, it's speedy and fuzzy :P

[21:47:00]

iamlindoro__:

iamlindoro IS double double long IN Cheerleaders have no scruples 27

[21:47:47]

directhex:

chearleaders have no screw pulls?

[21:48:21]

iamlindoro__:

Again with the Dirty Sans Chaise

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janneg:

kormoc: long is 64bit here

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kormoc:

janneg, is it? whoops

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janneg:

kormoc: it depends on the architecture

[21:50:25]

directhex:

janneg's long is longer than kormoc's long :o

[21:50:59]

kormoc:

directhex, sure, cause then what he would call long, I get to call double long... sounds extra impressive that way

[21:52:18]

clever:

but double is used for larger floats

[21:52:26]

clever:

it may mess things up to reuse it

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janneg:

Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/1038177

[21:52:46]

kormoc:

double long as in long long, not actually double long

[21:53:01]

EvilGuru:

long double's are even better

[21:53:33]

kormoc:

only if you swing that way :P

[21:53:37]

|Torg|:

quad precision

[21:54:39]

EvilGuru:

|Torg|: 80-bits on x86 :( On my PPC system (w/GCC 4) they are 128-bit (quad)

[21:54:50]

gbee:

for those confused between long 32bit and long 64bit – http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/l . . . .html#table1

[21:55:05]

Dagmar:

sizeof ftw

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|Torg|:

80 bit i extended precision

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|Torg|:

double d; 64-bits 64-bits

[21:55:51]

|Torg|:

and here I thoguth that was a cup size

[21:56:01]

kormoc:

ahh

[21:56:10]

directhex:

hands up if you actually run an LP64 platform

[21:56:15]

kormoc:

I had no idea that x86_64 changed the long size, nice to know

[21:56:38]

|Torg|:

HPUX yukk

[21:56:44]

gbee:

heh

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directhex:

chatzilla? no wonder he's weird and trolly

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** EvilGuru runs LP64 **

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Dagmar:

Time-Warner really has lost their minds

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gbee:

iirc Windows 64bit is LLP64

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|Torg|:

you have to have one to loose it

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Dagmar:

Seriously tho... 5gb limits for $30/month?

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Dagmar:

I can find colocation with better terms than that

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directhex:

gbee, yes, to ensure ease of transition from unix to windows. couth.

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mjj29:

wikipedia claims that linux and solaris are LP64

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|Torg|:

can be, not necesarily are

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gbee:

Dagmar: what shocked me are the speeds for $30/month – 768Kbits? You get 10Mb/s for that much here

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kormoc:

mjj29, you mean "some random user who posted on wikipedia claimed"

[22:00:45]

gbee:

but yes, the limits are silly

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Dagmar:

gbee: Well, I was paying about $150/month for that in San Francisco, but we had a "business class" SDSL line for that, with 10 ips and *us* as the abuse and auth contacts for name resolution

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directhex:

i think we pay £24 a month for 16 down, 1 up, unlimited

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mjj29:

kormoc: hence the qualification

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Dagmar:

...and it was *always* 768k

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Dagmar:

Somehow I dont' think those TW customers are getting dedicated bandwidth

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gbee:

aye

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EvilGuru:

More rural here, £30 a month for probably 8 down and 448k up, but due to distance actually get 2 down and 256 up

[22:02:00]

mjj29:

mmm contention

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Dagmar:

My fraking PS3 would have broken a 5Gb/month limit with no problem at all

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Dagmar:

The size of the demos that thing downloads is enormous

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|Torg|:

im paying $35/month for 6M/768K I mostly get close to 6M when downloading, come to about 600K up

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directhex:

EvilGuru, well, i'm paying for <24, <1.5

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directhex:

EvilGuru, distance makes it 16/1

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EvilGuru:

I wouldn't mind a faster upload

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|Torg|:

I would love it try running ssh -X to your box at home with that

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iamlindoro__:

Dagmar, Indeed, or god forbid, a heavy Steam user

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clever:

|Torg|: ssh -X over 100mbit lags

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Dagmar:

Oh god yeah

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clever:

the problem is the ssh layer

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Dagmar:

I bought Episodes One and Two this month

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Dagmar:

That's 12Gb right there

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gbee:

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mjj29:

does -C help?

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clever:

DISPLAY=:d600:0 is MUCH faster

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clever:

and much more unsafe:P

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directhex:

Dagmar, and you already own portal, i hope? everyone should own portal

[22:05:17]

directhex:

at least once

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Dagmar:

No, but I downloaded the demo

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iamlindoro__:

<3 Portal <3

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clever:

mjj29: i just use x11 right over plain tcp

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EvilGuru:

mjj29: I used to use -Y and -C but found it not be to much faster

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Dagmar:

If it cost less I'd go for it, but there doesn't seem to be much replayability in Portal

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mjj29:

use NX

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mjj29:

it wins

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clever:

any1 with a packet sniffer on my lan could in theory watch my typing in those windows

[22:05:55]

directhex:

Dagmar, i've replayed it at least 4 times!

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Dagmar:

I mainly downloaded it to see the plot tie-ins with HL2

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directhex:

Dagmar, you already get double, as the commentary is a must-have

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mjj29:

clever: I hope it's firewalled

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Dagmar:

Now I'm thinking... every time they open a portal stuff leaks through somewhere else...

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mjj29:

otherwise keyboard loggers galore

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clever:

mjj29: yes the entire lan is firewalled up

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Dagmar:

...and this could explain where all those damn head crabs come from

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|Torg|:

when you talk about portal this isnt some web software, what is it?

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Dagmar:

I'm still lost as to who exactly is doing what there

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clever:

the only weak point i can see is the WEP

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mjj29:

clever: and you don't use web browsers

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clever:

and my neighbors are idiots

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mjj29:

clever: oh, then you lose

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EvilGuru:

clever: If someone had a packet sniffer on my LAN I would be more worried about them having a lead pipe in addition

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression that the Combine and the headcrabs were on the same side

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clever:

EvilGuru: yes:P

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directhex:

|Torg|, last year's game-of-the-century

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clever:

mjj29: my xp systems refuse to work right on wpa

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gbee:

never finished HL2, got too bored about 2/3 of the way through ... same goes for Doom3 now that I think about it

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|Torg|:

it runs on Linux?

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directhex:

|Torg|, a bite-sized first-person puzzle game from the half-life devs

[22:07:28]

directhex:

|Torg|, nay. not without wine, anyway.

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Dagmar:

Torg: Its basically a game with altered topology puzzles

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iamlindoro__:

Runs well in Wine on adequate hardware, though

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EvilGuru:

I finished half life 2, but gave up gaming soon after

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iamlindoro__:

It's also the funniest game EVAR

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Dagmar:

You get a wormhole gun, with which you have to shoot wormholes in walls to get past obstacles

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directhex:

trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if3Qv2tHyfA

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iamlindoro__:

Boss Battle = Best ever boss battle

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Dagmar:

I'm still working on the last battle (I hope) in EP2

[22:08:41]

iamlindoro__:

"Nyuhhhhhhhh! That's you! That's how dumb you sound!"

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directhex:

yes yes iamlindoro, it's a triumph. a huge success.

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iamlindoro__:

It's hard to overstate my satisfaction

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gbee:

pretty much lost interest in most games after playing Operation Flashpoint, that spoilt me and arcade FPS just didn't cut it any more

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hadees:

i am using the sa3250ch script with my sa3250 but all it does is send my box to random channels

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Dagmar:

gbee: That's okay. All you need is a good cover system and they'll pull you right back in.

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directhex:

portal's not an FPS, it's a puzzle game

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gbee:

unfortunately the sequel, Armed Assault, was PC only and by the time it was released I was no longer running Windows on any machines

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iamlindoro__:

"Shall not be mourned." That's exactly what it says. Very formal. Very official. It also says you were adopted. So that's funny, too."

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|Torg|:

I dnt have windows on anything other then my phone

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hadees:

|Torg|, you like windows mobile?!?

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iamlindoro__:

WINE'll do ya

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|Torg|:

like no, use yes

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|Torg|:

was given to me, and I get to expence it yes

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|Torg|:

free i a nice price you nkow

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: didn't get far trying the demo under wine or cedega :(

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directhex:

if in doubt, force -dxlevel in hl2-based games

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, boo! I've actually *only* played it under WINE, and only the full version, but it's worked well

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|Torg|:

I dont run wine, cedega or vmware, I like the performance of my system too muchj

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Dagmar:

Windows Mobile set new standards... otherwise Palm would have never dared to release Blazer.

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iamlindoro__:

It's not as though WINE is sitting in the background all the time waiting to impregnate your wife

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directhex:

i wrote the book on linux gaming!

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gbee:

BIS is a small shop and despite plenty of interest they are wedded to DirectX and have no plans to re-write the engine for opengl – so little chance of a native linux port

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clever:

Dagmar: blazer also lies thru its teeth

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** iamlindoro__ stands by for amazon linkage **

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, all powerful firewire expert, you have any idea why the sa3250ch script sends my box to random channels? I read there is a fix when you have mythtv tune it directly by saying it is a new model box but there doesn't seem to be a corresponding script for that box.

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, google for "linux gaming", i'm on the first page, for a 3-year-old editorial

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Dagmar:

clever: Every time I use it now I'm wondering if it's goign to throw my damn PDA into that loop you have to hard reset the thing to get out ot

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: really? ... You've just made my day if that's true :)

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clever:

i mean the user-agent string

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clever:

"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/Palm-D052; Blazer/4.5) 16;320x320"

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clever:

its claiming to be ie windows98 palm and blazer

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iamlindoro__:

Hehe, I'm not the expert, so I'm not 100% certain, sounds odd for sure-- I know the SA stuff has two different OS'es, so perhaps the channel changer is only compatible with the other?

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clever:

all at once

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, That's just a wild-ass guess though

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clever:

and ive never had blazer throw it into a inf loop

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|Torg|:

http://www.happypenguin.org/

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Dagmar:

clever: I aint' suprised

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, really-- It ran really well-- I don't want to talk you into spending money or anything, but I've had it running on a few systems... no info on the demo, though, and this is through Steam

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, well that would suck

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Dagmar:

clever: Although that part of the string doesn't entirely mean that the unit is running that.

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clever:

ive also got linux working on my palm device

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, IR Blasting isn't the end of the world if you can get firewire streams, though

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clever:

but it cant interface with the bluetooth or cell modules

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clever:

so its not able to call or get on the inet

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hadees:

You read my mind, how reliable is ir blasting for changing channels verses firewire

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Dagmar:

hadess: That depends if you tape the blaster to the front of the STB

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=1011&redirect=yes

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iamlindoro__:

Just as reliable as always-- with the right interdigit delay you should have no issues

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clever:

my ir blaster(serial) drops a digit once or twice a month

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gbee:

Armed Assault has got to be bargin bin by now, so I guess there is no harm in buying it and finding out for myself

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, Oh, I was talking about Portal, don't know armed assault :)

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hadees:

Dagmar, well i actually see IR input ports on the box so i don't think i need to use a blaser just a wire from an output box

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directhex:

gbee, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sCl . . . amp;iId=4362

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: hah, ok, crossed wores

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gbee:

wires

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, too many conservations going on at once in here

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Dagmar:

hadess: one would hope

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hadees:

do you think the Hauppauge HD PVR's IR blaster will work with linux when the MythTV stuff does?

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iamlindoro__:

Ask janneg, but from what I heard yesterday it's all well-understood IR hardware

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hadees:

my crappy cable company is giving me hardly any channels over firewire so i just bought 2 Hauppauge HD PVRs

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hadees:

so until then i was hopping to setup svideo or coax recording

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iamlindoro__:

Mine is humming happily along doing nothing on the entertainment center :)

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|Torg|:

mine is sitting in transport

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MrMunkily:

iamlindoro: have you tested it?

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Dagmar:

That's not true.

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Dagmar:

It's warming the earth.

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|Torg|:

tested thats a nice word :)

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iamlindoro__:

MrMunkily, nope, aside from the fact that lcusb recognizes it

[22:19:06]

iamlindoro__:

er lsusb

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directhex:

hang on, the article is 4 years old. it took a few months to go livr

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iamlindoro__:

directhex, Hooray for companies that insist on OpenGL

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abqjp:

I am glad that directv boxes can be controlled via serial.

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hadees:

so which do you think will give me better quality? svideo or coax? svideo right? only pain is having to setup the audio recording

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|Torg|:

component

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abqjp:

but not composit

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|Torg|:

and not svideo

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hadees:

|Torg|, well as soon as my HD PVR boxes get here i'll have it

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MrMunkily:

Why's audio a pain?

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|Torg|:

hadees: did you download the driver for it yet?

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hadees:

MrMunkily, well pain for me, i don't have those wires

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hadees:

but i have plenty of coax cables

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hadees:

|Torg|, why would i download the driver? i don't even have it yet

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MrMunkily:

I know not which wires... SPDIF?

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abqjp:

What capture card are you trying to use?

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hadees:

abqjp, i haven't picked which one i am going to use yet but i have two pvr 150s and a pvr 500

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hadees:

i need record two boxes

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hadees:

i'm already out of pci slots

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abqjp:

hadees, and you are trying to record HD or digital channels?

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abqjp:

If just normal analog, you can hook the coax right into the pvr 500 and bypass the stb.

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hadees:

abqjp, i know, i already am doing that

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hadees:

in fact i am also getting QAM

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hadees:

with another card

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hadees:

but i want the digital channels

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hadees:

i really want the HD but until i get my HD PVR boxes and the linux drivers are out i have to be content with svideo

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hadees:

versions of the HD channels

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hadees:

all of which is dependant on if i can get the damn external firewire channel changing script to work

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abqjp:

Actually, using s-video from your stb into a pvr-500, the HD channels can look very good. You loose 5/6 of the resolution, but all things considered it is very watchable.

[22:28:59]

abqjp:

You really see the resolution loss for sports, though.

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abqjp:

basically anytime you have diagonal lines.

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hadees:

abqjp, you ever have issues with the box's menus covering shit up?

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abqjp:

I use directv. When I had comcast, i seem to remember the box having a timeout which could be set for the stb's OSD.

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abqjp:

With directv, I control it via serial, and there is a command that can be sent to remove the OSD.

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Dagmar:

Now THAT is handy

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Dagmar:

I'm not looking forward to trying to solve that problem when I switch to an STB for digital

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abqjp:

If you do use the PVR-500 for HD, remember to go into Myth and setup the recording profile for 16:9 instead of 4:3. That will minimize the resolution loss.

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** directhex is confused by all this 4:3 nonsense **

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kormoc:

wait

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kormoc:

you can't get HD via the pvr-500, it's SD only

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abqjp:

You can if you don't mind only capturing 1/6 the resolution ;)

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Dagmar:

lol

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|Torg|:

is myth compatable with qt4 or jut qt3?

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Dagmar:

Torg: Trunk only does qt4

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directhex:

|Torg|, trunk is qt4

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EvilGuru:

ALSA doesn't support on-the-fly DTS encoding at all does it (I have seen some AC3 stuff)

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kormoc:

abqjp, it's not HD then, it's just letterboxed...

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|Torg|:

I got 21 fixes crashing with a qt string exception

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Dagmar:

ALSA doesn't do DTS probably because of *patents*

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kormoc:

|Torg|, -fixes is qt 3 only

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abqjp:

Coming from a HD source GREATLY improves the picture, though. It does not mean I have not ordered a HD-PVR!

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Dagmar:

Um... Not really.

[22:43:45]

Dagmar:

Coming from a _digital_ source might improve the picture, depending on the compression levels used.

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Dagmar:

If there's a significant difference between the SD broadcast and the digital HD downsampled, then the cablecompany needs to fix their gear

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|Torg|:

if there is a significnat differnce between SD and HD downsamples get an ATSC card

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abqjp:

I think it partially has to do with the color space.

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Dagmar:

Forcing 16:9 aspect ratio on the decidedly SD broadcasts picked up by the PVR-500 just makes recordings with the wrong aspect ratio.

[22:45:34]

Dagmar:

No, you're just theorizing based on how you "feel" about it

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abqjp:

True.

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abqjp:

Forcing 16:9 aspect on HD source material, though, is correct.

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kormoc:

abqjp, not when you caputre it via the pvr 500

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kormoc:

cause it capture 4:3

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Dagmar:

"HD source material" is not even a useful classification

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kormoc:

you're just stretching the video

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Dagmar:

Video isn't typically recorded in square pixels, and this is for good reason.

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abqjp:

I have the directv receiver setup to send out "anamorphic", so the the PVR-500 has to be set to 16:9 to do the right thing.

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Dagmar:

Being that humans didn't spend an extended period of time being preyed on by flying raptors, our eyes developed more horizontal discrimination than vertical

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Dagmar:

abqjp: That's a different matter than what most people are going to get

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abqjp:

So, cable stbs can't be set to output anamorphic?

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Dagmar:

You *are* feeding ti 16:9 video squished into a 4:3 frame

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abqjp:

Right.

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Dagmar:

Analog ones don't.

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Dagmar:

There would be very little point in it.

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abqjp:

Yeah, but I thought we were talking about capturing "HD"?

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Dagmar:

No analog cable boxes are carrying HD.

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hadees:

so here is an interesting question, if i record HDTV and I currently have both an HDTV and a STD TV is it possible for me to transcode the HDTV content just so the frontend attached to the STD TV can play it but so my frontend attached to the HDTV, which is more powerful, can still play the original HDTV version

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Dagmar:

The PVR-500 wasn't designed for HD.

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Dagmar:

It was designed for SD.

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Dagmar:

What you're doing with yours is strictly a hack.

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Dagmar:

An effective hack, but still not "normal" use of the equipment.

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hadees:

Dagmar, i wouldn't call that a hack, it is effectively STD

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Dagmar:

Eh wot?

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abqjp:

I completely agree. My point was, that sans the HD-PVR, it is the best than can be done — and really does not look too bad, most of the time.

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kormoc:

abqjp, you're not capturing hd, you're still capturing sd that came from an hd source

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Yeah but if he's got the box set to anamorphic output, he's getting more vertical data than he would otehrwise.

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abqjp:

Semantics.

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kormoc:

Dagmar, more horizontal

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Dagmar:

It's a *minor* improvement, and that's *if* the comb filter that comes into play doesn't make things worse

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abqjp:

At least with my setup, the improvement was very noticeable.

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abqjp:

I will say, that the addition of yadif/greedy to myth made a huge difference with this setup.

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hadees:

abqjp, that was because of svideo and a digital source though

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Anduin:

hadees: Not yet, not without you doing some part of it manually

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hadees:

Anduin, when you say not yet does that mean someone is working on that?

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Dagmar:

kormoc: As far as I know if the source is 16:9 the options are a) chop the left and right sides off (yuck, probably nothing does this normally), b) letterbox it, which wastes screen estate, or c) anamorphic, which for 720p means it's still only the same side-to-side detail, but at least there's less image detail loss than sqishing the 720 lines down into 360 or whatever the letterboxing leaves out

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Dagmar:

er same side-to-side detail as b

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|Torg|:

how chatty should a slave backend be to a master backend?

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Anduin:

hadees: Yes, someone is working on having multiple formats for a single recording

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Dagmar:

Anduin: They really hate small disks don't they

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iamlindoro:

You know who else hates small disks? Girlfriends.

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iamlindoro:

Oh wait, did you say *disks*?

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kormoc:

Dagmar, ahh, fair 'nuff

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|Torg|:

im getting about 20 message a second from slave to master, all reqests for scheule and replays that is empty, after this the mater cores

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hadees:

|Torg|, maybe they are lonely

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kormoc:

|Torg|, you shoudln't be getting empty messages unless you have nothing scheduled

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Anduin:

Dagmar: I don't really get it, except maybe for the flv stuff, then again snapstream has been doing on demand transcodes for streaming forever so a weirder way, only advantage being allowing slow backends to work... maybe

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|Torg|:

yes kormoc and if I start eh master after the slave it will stay workgin for a peroid of time then segfault again later on

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|Torg|:

im trying to diagnose why it faults

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abqjp:

I just got a ship notice for my HD-PVR!

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Dagmar:

Side note: Parabolic stretch sucks

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abqjp:

I completely agree!

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abqjp:

I assume people still know what the word "completely" means, in this age of "totally".

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Dagmar:

What's fun is seeing "This envelope is totally recyclable." on the back of my electrical bill.

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: they forgot "dude"

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Andreax825:

Dagmar: No need for recycling... Its a nice evidence for our childs how cheap energy once was... :)

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