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| [00:00:10] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: anyway, you mean searching the wiki for mis-spelled terms yields no results? zoiks man |
| [00:06:29] | directhex: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDv9cQLMxQw |
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| [00:08:27] | orificium_mythbu: | I love my MythTV box :) I totally forgot Lost had come on, and now I don't have to miss the first 8 minutes. |
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| [00:08:35] | fiXXXerMet: | hay |
| [00:09:00] | orificium_mythbu: | is for horses? |
| [00:09:19] | dustybin: | I <3 my myth box too, The Apprentice was on Tuesday this week instead of Wednesday, i didnt even realise, thanks to mythtv it recorded :-) |
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| [00:10:23] | orificium_mythbu: | What's the default interval at which mythtv updates the program guide? |
| [00:11:06] | justinh: | orificium_mythbu: whenever the schedules direct server suggests, usually |
| [00:11:14] | justinh: | if you use their service... |
| [00:11:14] | orificium_mythbu: | dustybin: using schedulesdirect? |
| [00:11:43] | wagner: | i hate my mythtv box. i got a call on my cell phone last night at 11pm telling me to come downstairs and explain how to use it |
| [00:12:32] | justinh: | orificium_mythbu: usually daily at a time specified by SD.. helps balance things |
| [00:12:46] | justinh: | wagner: serves you right for not giving a lesson in the 1st place |
| [00:13:29] | wagner: | actually the problem was i had rebooted the file server |
| [00:13:41] | wagner: | and linux doesnt automatically remounte samba shares |
| [00:13:46] | orificium_mythbu: | justinh: the myth backend takes care of this? |
| [00:14:09] | justinh: | orificium_mythbu: if the 'automatically run mythfilldatabase' box is ticked yes |
| [00:14:30] | wagner: | orificium_mythbu: when you download an update, schedules direct will tell mythtv when to next schedule a download |
| [00:14:37] | wagner: | its usually once every night |
| [00:14:39] | orificium_mythbu: | ok |
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| [00:15:39] | orificium: | justinh: cool, I'll have to check for that setting. |
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| [00:15:53] | wagner: | orificium, it should be default |
| [00:16:01] | justinh: | orificium: its available in mythfrontend, in general settings IIRC |
| [00:16:17] | justinh: | never assume anything is the default |
| [00:18:58] | orificium: | hm, wasn't turned on. good thing I checked. Maybe it's not default in Mythbuntu |
| [00:20:32] | orificium: | How many days out does schedulesdirect have program data for? |
| [00:21:05] | Dagmar: | Yuck. Regression with PVR-500's |
| [00:21:18] | orificium: | I didn't see anything on their site with that kind of info. |
| [00:22:40] | orificium: | looks to be about 13 days |
| [00:23:04] | kormoc: | orificium, 2 weeks, yes |
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| [00:29:23] | sphery: | actually automatically run mythfilldatabase is off by default |
| [00:32:35] | justinh: | might be a good idea to enable it if using SD, automagically ;) |
| [00:33:02] | justinh: | my patch is er.,.. oh wait I don't/can't use SD so nevermind |
| [00:33:23] | orificium: | outside US? |
| [00:33:35] | kormoc: | just a tad |
| [00:33:35] | justinh: | very much so, thank $deity |
| [00:33:49] | justinh: | er.. I say very much so.. I wish it was more! |
| [00:33:52] | orificium: | yeah, soon, I'll be living in the north american union |
| [00:34:08] | orificium: | spp.gov |
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| [00:55:08] | justinh: | heh. component out on some HD freesat boxes has been disabled. whoops! |
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| [00:58:22] | justinh: | wonder how long it'll be before the USA follows suit... |
| [00:58:33] | justinh: | and with that thought, I'll leave you |
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| [02:19:52] | bthornton: | Is it possible to stream live TV with mythtv? I've got a headless machine with a TV tuner and was going to see if I could watch TV over my LAN... |
| [02:21:01] | clever: | works without any work |
| [02:21:08] | bthornton: | excellent :) |
| [02:21:11] | clever: | if the 'remote' frontend can play any file it can play livetv |
| [02:21:20] | bthornton: | just wanted to make sure, else I'd yank the TV card and put it in a machine with a display |
| [02:21:29] | clever: | assuming your hdd can handle playing&recording |
| [02:21:33] | bthornton: | ya |
| [02:21:48] | bthornton: | the server has a WD Raptor drive in it |
| [02:22:34] | clever: | basicaly, if the master can use livetv, any system can |
| [02:23:20] | bthornton: | cool. will it still work reasonably well over a wireless 802.11g link? |
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| [02:28:27] | clever: | bthornton: ive had sd tv working over 802.11B |
| [02:28:51] | clever: | which is much slower |
| [02:28:54] | bthornton: | awesome. |
| [02:29:04] | bthornton: | out of curiosity, what distro are you running it on? |
| [02:29:09] | clever: | ubuntu 7.10 atm |
| [02:29:19] | clever: | all my frontends and the master run 7.10 |
| [02:29:39] | clever: | and i made mythtv from source with ./configure --prefix=/media/mainlv/root/7.10/ |
| [02:29:55] | bthornton: | ok cool. I'm running 8.10 and was hoping that what's in the mirrors is fairly setup to work "out of the box" as most Ubuntu stuff is |
| [02:29:55] | clever: | then i add /media/mainlv/root/7.10/bin/ to the PATH on every box( /media/mainlv/ is nfs mounted) |
| [02:29:59] | bthornton: | oh src. |
| [02:30:08] | clever: | and /media/mainlv/root/7.10/lib/ to the /etc/ld.so.conf |
| [02:30:16] | clever: | if you install the packages from ubuntu it will be simpler |
| [02:30:29] | clever: | my method just makes mass updating 5 systems faster |
| [02:30:34] | bthornton: | I see |
| [02:30:40] | clever: | and saves disk space |
| [02:31:03] | clever: | the prefix folder i set(bin&libs&themes) is 374mb |
| [02:31:04] | clever: | including debug info |
| [02:31:15] | clever: | some of my frontends only have 100mb free:P |
| [02:31:24] | bthornton: | nice :) |
| [02:31:56] | clever: | by storing the bin&lib on nfs i know that every box will ALLWAYS run the same version and i dont waste space |
| [02:32:04] | bthornton: | that's a good idea |
| [02:32:10] | bthornton: | alright, well, I'm off to go gut some systems and hard-drive swap and whatnot |
| [02:32:14] | bthornton: | thanks for the info, clever! |
| [02:32:28] | clever: | i was storing it under /media/mainlv/root/7.10/ and /media/mainlv/root/6.06 |
| [02:32:33] | bthornton: | ya |
| [02:32:35] | clever: | to keep the 2 releases of ubuntu seperate |
| [02:32:40] | bthornton: | good idea |
| [02:32:48] | bthornton: | I'll keep that in mind when the next ver comes out |
| [02:32:58] | clever: | could automate fixing PATH and ld.so.conf using lsb_release -a |
| [02:33:00] | clever: | and a script |
| [02:33:03] | clever: | Release: 7.10 |
| [02:33:33] | bthornton: | sweet |
| [02:33:43] | bthornton: | alright gotta run, thanks again |
| [02:33:44] | clever: | im also keeping some general myth related things like mplayer and ffmpeg in the same prefix |
| [02:34:00] | clever: | ubuntus ffmpeg is cripled |
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| [02:34:57] | Dagmar: | Not bad. |
| [02:35:05] | Dagmar: | You didnt' suggest even one completely insane thing to that guy. |
| [02:35:46] | clever: | lol |
| [02:36:11] | clever: | and i didnt get to the fact my nfsroot keeps its xorg.conf's as xorg.conf.`hostname` |
| [02:36:38] | Dagmar: | Yes, because /etc should not be a networked directory. |
| [02:37:03] | Dagmar: | That would have qualified as slightly nuts. |
| [02:37:04] | clever: | yeah i know but so far ive worked arround that on a per conffile basic |
| [02:37:25] | clever: | my rc.local checks&runs a /root/something.`hostname` |
| [02:37:38] | clever: | so the hosts can get some special init for there own hardware or location |
| [02:37:41] | Dagmar: | I'm rather hoping I can figure out what broke in the ivtv interface |
| [02:38:06] | clever: | when i was running 6.06 ivtv would totaly suck cpu(in kernel mode) if i even tryed to read vbi |
| [02:38:09] | Dagmar: | I don't want to report a regression with just a range of SVN numbers as the difference |
| [02:38:27] | clever: | on 7.10 it 'works' but mythbackend warns that it may kill the system randomly |
| [02:38:34] | clever: | and lirc stoped working on the same upgrade |
| [02:38:44] | Dagmar: | lirc pretty much has to be rebuilt with each new kernel. |
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| [02:39:04] | clever: | i did that |
| [02:39:05] | clever: | 20 times |
| [02:39:10] | Dagmar: | I'm about to roll the kernel back to 2.6.23 and see if that's what's breaking but I kinda doubt it |
| [02:39:15] | clever: | lirc_i2c causes a kernel oops |
| [02:39:18] | Dagmar: | Ouch |
| [02:39:24] | Dagmar: | Yay for lirc's serial driver. |
| [02:39:32] | clever: | no serial receiver |
| [02:39:35] | Dagmar: | You're using 0.8.3 now, right? |
| [02:39:41] | clever: | but i am using lirc_serial for blasting |
| [02:39:54] | Dagmar: | 0.8.3 *might* avoid the oops |
| [02:40:20] | Dagmar: | I know I'm getting the glitchy video with the 0.21-fixes from this week and last week, like when I had slightly stale firmware for the PVR500 |
| [02:40:22] | clever: | not shure where the lirc build dir went |
| [02:40:30] | Dagmar: | Like... JUST like when I had the stale firmware. |
| [02:40:44] | Dagmar: | Updating positively everything to latest (kernel, ivtv utils, etc) didnt' affect it |
| [02:40:55] | Dagmar: | ...which leaves the problem more or less in MythTV-space |
| [02:40:56] | clever: | also the modules in my /lib/modules/ are a bit wacky |
| [02:41:06] | clever: | so im manualy insmod'ing the files from /root/ to be safe |
| [02:41:33] | clever: | 0.8.1 |
| [02:41:40] | Dagmar: | Ah, 0.8.3 migth be what you need then |
| [02:41:45] | clever: | ive got a patched 0.8.3 to blast on the pvr150 |
| [02:41:52] | clever: | but that one refuses to build the serial driver |
| [02:42:06] | Dagmar: | Weird. It built it fine for me |
| [02:42:07] | clever: | so i cant use the pvr150 AND the serial(the lirc_dev's conflict) |
| [02:42:27] | Dagmar: | Do you have the output from the failed compile still? |
| [02:42:39] | clever: | nope but i can reproduce it |
| [02:42:49] | Dagmar: | If you can pastebin that I might be able to spot what's gone wrong |
| [02:42:59] | clever: | configure.... |
| [02:43:15] | Dagmar: | Suggestion: SAVE the configure.sh it makes |
| [02:43:43] | clever: | configure: error: no driver specified, try ./configure --help |
| [02:43:44] | clever: | oops:P |
| [02:44:16] | Dagmar: | Yeah, if you just run configure with no arguments, it'll bring up an ncurses-based configurator, which then generates configure.sh |
| [02:44:34] | clever: | nope, not fro me |
| [02:44:41] | clever: | it just spewed that error and exited |
| [02:44:58] | clever: | compiling |
| [02:45:12] | Dagmar: | Just running ./configure with no arguments *didn't* bring up the ncurses screen? |
| [02:45:29] | clever: | correct |
| [02:45:37] | Dagmar: | That's annoying |
| [02:45:42] | Dagmar: | It's done it here from day one |
| [02:46:04] | clever: | odd |
| [02:46:13] | clever: | serial module on 0.8.3 compiled without trouble |
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| [02:46:23] | clever: | now to build the i2c one |
| [02:46:37] | Dagmar: | It's supposed to call setup.sh, but I haven't looked at the code to see under what conditions it won't do that |
| [02:47:05] | clever: | one of the problems with open source:P, you can fix ANYTHING but your too lazy to do so |
| [02:47:10] | grndslm: | ok, so... i've had this new hardy/myth setup for a week or so at least now... but the recordings DON'T show up in the "media library" |
| [02:47:36] | clever: | ./configure --with-driver=i2c |
| [02:47:37] | grndslm: | actually, only some Billiards Trick Shot thing i recorded... but other than that, they don't show up in the frontend. and i know they exist on the hard drive... i can watch them with totem, but not with the frontend. what gives?? |
| [02:47:37] | clever: | configure: error: *** it is not possible to install the specified driver on this system |
| [02:48:06] | kormoc: | grndslm, change your filter? |
| [02:48:16] | clever: | grndslm: hit m(menu) in the recording list and make shure its set to all programs, also check under the livetv group |
| [02:48:39] | Dagmar: | clever: It might be balking because you don't have the neceesary support enabled in the kernel |
| [02:49:00] | clever: | i'll rip out my .config |
| [02:49:18] | clever: | wait, /proc/config.gz is disabled |
| [02:49:23] | clever: | maybe its in /boot |
| [02:49:28] | clever: | yep |
| [02:49:30] | Dagmar: | Damn those ubuntu people |
| [02:49:41] | clever: | i got 7 configs in there:P |
| [02:49:45] | Dagmar: | That /proc/config.gz support should be built into the kernel |
| [02:49:49] | Dagmar: | They probably have it as a module |
| [02:49:55] | grndslm: | clever... awesome!! i thought i was gonna have to restart the whole setup |
| [02:50:05] | clever: | i dont think that can be a module |
| [02:50:08] | Dagmar: | Just pop into menuconfig and poke around in the sections for i2c |
| [02:50:11] | Dagmar: | Yeah, it can be a module |
| [02:50:11] | clever: | theres tools to rip it out of a kernel file without it runing |
| [02:50:16] | Dagmar: | I've screwed up and made it a module before |
| [02:50:20] | clever: | lol |
| [02:50:37] | clever: | CONFIG_I2C=m |
| [02:50:52] | Dagmar: | If you're editing your .config directly, that's a mistake. |
| [02:51:01] | clever: | just reading it in less |
| [02:51:04] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [02:51:13] | clever: | to see what the ubuntu folks prebuilt into it |
| [02:52:02] | Dagmar: | I would be more upset with the Ubuntu people about that if the thing didn't mostly "just work" with the amount of configuration I put into the two ubuntu installs here (which is to say, "zero" effort) |
| [02:52:52] | Dagmar: | The Gateway Profile 4 I've got it running on is about to get wiped and replaced with Slackware 12.1 tho |
| [02:52:54] | clever: | theres also a module assistant to grab the source of lirc(from apt) and auto compile it |
| [02:53:03] | clever: | ive used that twice for ivtv |
| [02:53:04] | Dagmar: | ...cuz I can't stand that Firefox 3 they've built. |
| [02:53:07] | Dagmar: | It's *damn* slow |
| [02:53:23] | clever: | i still need to upgrade to ff3 to test my extension under the new env |
| [02:53:45] | clever: | but i also need to keep ff2 to make shure it stays compatible under that too |
| [02:54:29] | Dagmar: | I couldn't say if theyr'e parallel-installable or not |
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| [02:54:55] | clever: | http://www.privatepaste.com/e11dBiI2Bk |
| [02:55:07] | clever: | kernel version and a chunk of the .config |
| [02:55:23] | Dagmar: | Considering the number of GNOME things that are using FF libs now, I have my doubts about what might happen if one tries |
| [02:55:41] | clever: | yeah installing it to a normal prefix may break things |
| [02:55:49] | clever: | but i could allways install it to a custom prefix like i did with mythv |
| [02:56:00] | Dagmar: | clever: Hmm... Looks like the thing to do is to poke around in the lirc source there and see what specifically leads to it telling you the "yer out of luck, bub" message |
| [02:56:09] | clever: | ive downloaded a prepackaged version of what seemed to be ff2 in a tar |
| [02:56:15] | clever: | didnt even need root to run it |
| [02:56:27] | Dagmar: | You wouldn't normally need root to run it |
| [02:56:28] | clever: | no way i can harm gnome if i dont touch root |
| [02:56:29] | Dagmar: | It's just a browser |
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| [02:56:37] | clever: | i mean i didnt even need root to 'install' it |
| [02:56:37] | Dagmar: | Well, there *is* but it's a long shot |
| [02:56:56] | Dagmar: | gconf is somewhat vulnerable to stupid things being fed to it in the user context. |
| [02:56:57] | clever: | i just unpacked to my home dir and ~/dest/lolifox & |
| [02:57:37] | clever: | rm -r will reset gconf to a unharmed state:P |
| [02:57:37] | clever: | simpler to fix then /usr/lib/ being damaged |
| [02:57:42] | Dagmar: | Ye |
| [02:57:43] | Dagmar: | p |
| [02:57:54] | clever: | lirc-0.8.3-CVS-pvr150–2.tar.bz2 is what im using |
| [02:58:11] | Dagmar: | We wind up telling a lot of people using Dropline to nuke ~/.g* (or just move them all away) after upgrades to see if that's what broke their everything |
| [02:58:15] | clever: | no .CVS in it |
| [02:58:20] | Dagmar: | ...or to make a new user account and login with that and see |
| [02:58:57] | Dagmar: | I saw that Apple "Time Capsule" fileserver earlier today |
| [02:58:57] | clever: | i got bored with trying to save my router and its bad sectors |
| [02:59:00] | Dagmar: | Not a bad unit. |
| [02:59:03] | clever: | so i made it its own private svn repo |
| [02:59:08] | clever: | and checked / into it |
| [02:59:16] | clever: | now every script&config file is in svn |
| [02:59:34] | clever: | and i made a initial tar of the whole thing |
| [02:59:46] | clever: | if i ever need to recover i just untar&svn update |
| [03:00:04] | Dagmar: | I *suppose* $500USD isn't bad for a 1Tb fileserver that is accessible over 802.11n |
| [03:00:26] | Dagmar: | I don't think I could build one that cheaply... definitely not having it be that small. |
| [03:00:36] | clever: | im not archiving the large files |
| [03:00:55] | clever: | its only 25mb for the entire repo(every revision) |
| [03:01:19] | clever: | and 2gig for the .tar of the entire thing |
| [03:01:25] | clever: | uncompressed |
| [03:02:12] | clever: | only major problem i can see is that svn basicaly doubles the disk usage(original and ready to edit version) |
| [03:02:34] | clever: | avoiding the fat files fixes it |
| [03:07:03] | Dagmar: | Get 'em on the treadmill. |
| [03:07:15] | clever: | the system is allready going downhill |
| [03:07:25] | clever: | the main compiler and a helper for 'man' are on bad sectors |
| [03:07:34] | clever: | which have somehow escaped 20 passes of fsck |
| [03:07:49] | clever: | so i cant view man pages |
| [03:08:00] | clever: | and to compile i need to first export PATH=/tools/bin:$PATH |
| [03:08:07] | Dagmar: | fsck only checks the sanity of the filesystem. |
| [03:08:12] | Dagmar: | It doesn't scan for bad sectors., |
| [03:08:16] | clever: | i gave it the badblock scan options |
| [03:08:26] | clever: | and i did it carefull while mounted! |
| [03:08:38] | clever: | and while still routing the entire house thru the box:P |
| [03:08:58] | clever: | took an hour to remount it ro without shuting the NAT off |
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| [03:13:31] | Dagmar: | Good lord Age Of Conan takes it's time about installing |
| [03:13:56] | Dagmar: | At this rate once it gets to the actual _patching_ stage, I might be able to play it after lunch on Tuesday. |
| [03:15:51] | clever: | lirc trunk, head wont even configure |
| [03:15:54] | clever: | autogen fails:P |
| [03:16:17] | Dagmar: | autogen is lots of fun |
| [03:16:26] | Dagmar: | Can you read shell scripting? |
| [03:16:30] | clever: | yep |
| [03:16:35] | clever: | ive made a few bash scripts |
| [03:16:42] | clever: | the configure it made is 15 lines long |
| [03:16:48] | clever: | clearly missing 90% of the code |
| [03:16:56] | Dagmar: | Then go into the stuff for the released 0.8.3 source and find the string it showed you about being unable to build on your platform, and work backwards |
| [03:17:02] | Dagmar: | Find out *why* it decided you can't build it |
| [03:17:09] | Dagmar: | It's rather likely something you can *fix* |
| [03:17:15] | Dagmar: | ...and fix easily. |
| [03:17:33] | clever: | aclocal: configure.ac: 16: macro `AM_PROG_CC_C_O' not found in library |
| [03:17:33] | clever: | autoreconf: aclocal failed with exit status: 1 |
| [03:17:33] | Dagmar: | LIke, much more easily than trying to get a possibly unsafe SVN pull to work |
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| [03:18:12] | Dagmar: | clever: For autogen scripts to work you generally have to have the exact same versions of autoconf/automake/libtool as the people working on the code, as well as a few even more obscure bits |
| [03:18:43] | Dagmar: | ...and before you try, don't bother tyring to uprgade those |
| [03:18:53] | Dagmar: | They're not exactly self-enclosed. |
| [03:18:56] | Dagmar: | er self-contained. |
| [03:18:57] | clever: | yeah |
| [03:19:17] | Dagmar: | That missing macro, for instance. THat probably comes from aclocal files brought in by a specific version of gcc |
| [03:19:27] | clever: | ive had to build the entire toolchain before from source |
| [03:19:48] | clever: | and even following the instructions its easy to miss a single character when typing 20 line commands and mess it up |
| [03:20:19] | clever: | --with-driver=hauppauge \ |
| [03:20:25] | clever: | with 0.8.1 |
| [03:20:34] | clever: | which i know worked perfectly on both devices with the 6.06 kernel |
| [03:20:46] | Led-Hed: | When I try to watch LiveTV All I get is a black screen, then after 20–30 sec it goes back to the menu. I checked the backend logs and it says the ivtv driver has timed out. I have had this backend/frontend running for quite a while without problems. I havent changed anything nor do I have any kind of auto updates enabled. Any ideas as to what might cause the ivtv driver to time out? |
| [03:21:10] | clever: | i get that randomly, it seems to give up too early sometimes when starting slowly |
| [03:21:26] | Dagmar: | Led-hed: *Maybe* heat issues |
| [03:21:28] | clever: | but it goes away after a few trys, and keeps giving up and dumping to main menu on channel changes:P |
| [03:22:30] | Led-Hed: | dagar, I not heat related. I just checked. |
| [03:22:48] | Dagmar: | Check syslog |
| [03:23:05] | Led-Hed: | dagar, what might I look for |
| [03:23:11] | Dagmar: | Anything |
| [03:23:20] | Led-Hed: | k |
| [03:23:22] | Dagmar: | Particularly anything weird referring to ivtv or the PCI bus |
| [03:23:34] | Led-Hed: | thanks |
| [03:23:41] | Dagmar: | Syslog shoudlnt' be having a lot of stuff in it once the machine has booted, so you won't have tons of stuff to sort through |
| [03:23:55] | clever: | ive managed to compile a lirc_i2c.ko from 0.8.1 |
| [03:24:14] | clever: | and its binary identical to the /root/lirc_i2c.ko that causes a kernel oops so im not even going to try it:P |
| [03:26:10] | Dagmar: | Ouch |
| [03:26:48] | clever: | id play with it on a box that can be rebooted without any harm but i dont have one |
| [03:26:57] | clever: | theP4 is the main server for half the things i run |
| [03:27:05] | clever: | media is the mysqld for all of myth |
| [03:27:16] | clever: | everything else wont accept pci cards(isa or laptop) |
| [03:27:36] | clever: | and id have to shut theP4 off anyways to steal the pvr150 for testing |
| [03:28:10] | Dagmar: | I2C oddities is the thing that's kept me with the simpler serial driver |
| [03:28:40] | clever: | i could probly make an adapter to use the pvr-150 receiver cord on a serial port |
| [03:29:08] | clever: | enless the freq decoder is on the pci board |
| [03:29:09] | clever: | and its just a bare ir transistor |
| [03:29:31] | Dagmar: | There really isn't a whole lot *to* a serial IR reciever |
| [03:29:43] | Led-Hed: | clever, I did that and use the LIRC serial homebrew |
| [03:29:55] | clever: | the receiver ic needs to tune out a certain freq |
| [03:30:02] | clever: | a bare ir transistor alone wont do |
| [03:30:16] | Dagmar: | huh? |
| [03:30:20] | Dagmar: | You don't need a chip |
| [03:30:33] | clever: | the 'chip' is inside the ir receiver casing |
| [03:30:42] | clever: | and has 3 legs(and needs power) |
| [03:30:45] | Dagmar: | Serial reception is about as esoteric as morse code |
| [03:31:24] | clever: | http://www.geocities.com/dsaproject/electroni . . . _package.gif id call this the receiver 'ic' for a freq |
| [03:31:35] | clever: | and the pins are clearly labled – + and out |
| [03:31:40] | Led-Hed: | you need a Cap, a Resistor, a Voltage Reg, and a diode |
| [03:31:41] | Dagmar: | Ah okay |
| [03:31:48] | Dagmar: | Yeah that' about all you need |
| [03:31:51] | Led-Hed: | parts list here: http://wiki.ledhed.net/index.php/LIRC_Parts_List |
| [03:32:01] | Dagmar: | It's mainly jsut so that when the thing "sees" IR light, it pulls a pin high. |
| [03:32:06] | clever: | and thats exactly what i DONT have:P |
| [03:32:11] | Dagmar: | All the other stuff is done by the kernel module watching that serial line |
| [03:32:18] | clever: | http://shop.rabtron.co.za/catalog/images/infr . . . ED%203mm.jpg is what i DO HAVE |
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| [03:32:34] | Dagmar: | clever: Thta's an LED. |
| [03:32:39] | clever: | just a bare 'infared photo transistor' |
| [03:32:39] | Dagmar: | That's only useful for emitting. |
| [03:32:53] | Led-Hed: | thats an emitter |
| [03:32:55] | clever: | ive got the package somewhere |
| [03:32:57] | Dagmar: | ...or seeing in the dark if you have an old QuickCam |
| [03:33:04] | clever: | the receiver AND emitter are in nearly identical casings |
| [03:33:21] | Led-Hed: | look at the link I pasted. there are images also |
| [03:33:21] | Dagmar: | Yes and a diode and a resistor are only different colors. |
| [03:33:22] | Dagmar: | :/ |
| [03:33:35] | clever: | the only difference is the reflector arround the led to focus the output |
| [03:33:56] | Dagmar: | Um no. |
| [03:33:57] | Led-Hed: | The receiver should be black |
| [03:34:01] | Led-Hed: | not clear |
| [03:34:07] | clever: | i'll find the pics |
| [03:34:07] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [03:34:24] | Led-Hed: | that way it filters out all unnecessary light |
| [03:34:32] | Dagmar: | The receivers are somewhat oversensitive to "visible" light, which is wht they're opaque to almost all visible light |
| [03:34:40] | clever: | yeah normaly |
| [03:34:49] | Dagmar: | That image you linked is for an LED, clever. |
| [03:34:52] | Dagmar: | It can't detect anything. |
| [03:35:18] | clever: | just wait till i find that image i have somewhere |
| [03:35:19] | Led-Hed: | the parts list I pasted have Radio Shack part#'s |
| [03:35:39] | Led-Hed: | can be had at most any retail RS. |
| [03:36:10] | clever: | i got it at 'the source'(radio shack got renamed |
| [03:36:10] | Dagmar: | DigiKey part numbers might be useful to add |
| [03:36:10] | clever: | its an ir led and diode in nearly identical casings |
| [03:36:24] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . 10--13.55.34 |
| [03:36:38] | Dagmar: | Stuff that comes from Digikey gives you a serious feeling that human hands never touched it |
| [03:36:45] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . img_3161.jpg DETECTOR! |
| [03:37:02] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . img_3158.jpg |
| [03:37:08] | clever: | emittor and detector are in center package |
| [03:37:34] | Dagmar: | That's going to be rough to work withj |
| [03:37:38] | clever: | and i know that detector is useless by itself |
| [03:37:53] | Dagmar: | This is a *cheat* but most 35mm film, once developed, will block out just about everything but IR |
| [03:38:20] | clever: | or i could steal the filter off the front of a remote |
| [03:38:24] | Dagmar: | That too |
| [03:38:32] | clever: | they dont receive so it doesnt do any good |
| [03:38:40] | clever: | just protects the led |
| [03:38:42] | Dagmar: | Well, it makes the end *look* cooler. |
| [03:38:56] | clever: | i removed it so i could hold a fiber optic cable right to the led |
| [03:39:01] | clever: | to try and extend it arround corners |
| [03:39:09] | clever: | didnt work out as i planned |
| [03:40:02] | clever: | but what i was thinking |
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| [03:40:10] | clever: | take the pvr 150 cord(and receiver 'ic') |
| [03:40:20] | clever: | and make an adapter to use it on a serial port(without cuting it up) |
| [03:40:26] | Dagmar: | Unless you're broke you're at the point where you should consider just buying one pre-made |
| [03:40:37] | clever: | i allready tryed to buy one online premade |
| [03:40:50] | Dagmar: | Postman stole it then? |
| [03:41:06] | Dagmar: | I know the IguanaWorks one I bought works great |
| [03:41:17] | clever: | 2 months after the payment the site stoped selling them:P |
| [03:41:17] | clever: | and i havent received anything |
| [03:41:17] | clever: | then i was about to buy a usb based one when dad hinted to not buy myself stuff before xmas |
| [03:41:17] | clever: | then i got the pvr 150:P |
| [03:41:30] | clever: | dad got it for the ir receiver |
| [03:41:31] | Dagmar: | Ouch |
| [03:41:32] | Led-Hed: | make sure the IR Receiver is for the right freq. should be around 38khz |
| [03:41:45] | clever: | he had no idea the hardware encoder totaly pwned the frame grabber i was using:P |
| [03:41:46] | Dagmar: | that clear one probably picks up all three of the common ones |
| [03:41:49] | clever: | got lucky! |
| [03:41:54] | Dagmar: | clever: Ahhh... |
| [03:42:03] | Dagmar: | That would explain why I was puzzled about you mentioning the PVR-150 |
| [03:42:17] | clever: | also the teevee.ko that i compiled for ivtv conflicts with the one for bttv |
| [03:42:22] | clever: | so i cant use both cards at once |
| [03:42:52] | Led-Hed: | dagar, I think one of my pvr-250's took a crap. Thats why no LiveTV |
| [03:43:03] | clever: | and even if i could, i cant blast 2 things at once, the pvr150 blaster has never worked(thats what the patched 0.8.3 i have was suposed to fix) |
| [03:43:04] | Led-Hed: | if I choose an alternate input it works fine. |
| [03:43:20] | Dagmar: | Well, now that you've had a chance to see what we were talking about with the hardware encoders being a night-to-day difference for ease of use... I doubt you'll be too upset about not being able to use the Bt8x8 card at the same time |
| [03:43:24] | Dagmar: | Led-Hed: Bummer |
| [03:43:38] | clever: | i know the pvr150 is much better |
| [03:43:49] | clever: | but i can handle the expense of cpu usage if i wanted to record 2 channels at once |
| [03:44:01] | Led-Hed: | I have 4, so loosing 1 wont kill me. I;ve been thinking about getting 3 pvr-500's anyway |
| [03:44:04] | clever: | would fix 90% of the conflicts in my schedules |
| [03:44:46] | Dagmar: | Yes, but now you see how many problems involving framegrabbing just EVAPORATE when you have a PVR-xxx card. |
| [03:45:12] | Dagmar: | clever: Save some nickels, get a PVR-500, and sell someone locally your PVR-150 |
| [03:45:19] | clever: | the only problem i couldnt fix in the framegrabber was the fact that livetv didnt work |
| [03:45:22] | Dagmar: | ...or just get a second PVR-150 |
| [03:45:33] | clever: | the pvr150 i have appears used/returned |
| [03:45:37] | clever: | the box was slightly torn up |
| [03:45:43] | Led-Hed: | is there a cheaper alternative to the Haupague pvr-500? |
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| [03:45:46] | clever: | and theres an artifact in the video(even in framegrabber mode) |
| [03:46:21] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/shot0001.png the 2 stripes on the right |
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| [04:18:45] | craftyguy: | mysqldump -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -c > mythtv_backup.sql |
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| [04:24:56] | cheeze04: | hello |
| [04:26:52] | cheeze04: | I've been having some problems with LiveTV play in mythtv-0.21. When changing to liveTV, the video stutters horribly, and mythfrontend log is filled with various 'mpeg2 errors'. |
| [04:27:19] | cheeze04: | mythbackend.log contains the following: |
| [04:27:22] | cheeze04: | 2008-05–29 21:10:07.094 Preview Error: Previewer file '/media/recordings/1321_20080529211003.mpg' is not valid. |
| [04:27:22] | cheeze04: | 2008-05–29 21:10:07.100 Preview Error: Run() file not local: '/media/recordings/1321_20080529211003.mpg' |
| [04:27:22] | cheeze04: | 2008-05–29 21:10:07.108 Preview Error: Preview process not ok. |
| [04:27:22] | cheeze04: | fileinfo(/media/recordings/1321_20080529211003.mpg.png) exists: 0 readable: 0 size: 0 |
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| [04:27:35] | cheeze04: | has anyone ever seen this before? |
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| [04:38:47] | Kernel: | hello all. im wondering if i can flush out the database for mythtv?...i have a few weird entrys and a few duplicate entrys |
| [04:39:05] | Kernel: | im not sure how or when this happened..but id like to flush it out |
| [04:39:17] | wagner: | weird entries? |
| [04:39:56] | Kernel: | yea let me see if there are still there. it was under the video manager part |
| [04:40:26] | Kernel: | under watch recorded i have server _NO_TITLE_ entrys |
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| [04:40:47] | Kernel: | and in the video manager part i have alot of duplicate entrys for the same video |
| [04:41:01] | Gumby`: | can anyone tell me if there is a way to use mysqldump that will not only backup the data, but can be used to create new tables when restoring that data to a new sql server? |
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| [04:41:49] | wagner: | Gumby: the '-C' flag will make table creation lines |
| [04:42:02] | Gumby: | wagner: thanks... i thought I had done that but I guess not |
| [04:43:00] | wagner: | well it was '-c' i was thinking of |
| [04:43:06] | wagner: | and im not sure if thats sufficient |
| [04:43:49] | wagner: | i think it always ads the tables |
| [04:44:31] | ** Gumby tries again ** | |
| [04:44:46] | wagner: | -c is just a more verbose statement, to make sure mysql does things properly |
| [04:46:02] | Gumby: | looks like -c should do it judging by the output |
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| [05:24:15] | root: | i'm trying to get mythweb to work when the apache server is running on a different server than the mythtv/mysql. where do i set the db host ip address? |
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| [05:26:14] | clever: | root: in the mythweb.conf.apache which needs to be edited&included into apache.conf |
| [05:26:24] | DrMitch: | yep, i did that |
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| [05:26:37] | clever: | and reload/restart apache |
| [05:26:58] | DrMitch: | i changed the db_server to 192.168.2.6, and restarted, but the error is still: Unable to connect to the master backend |
| [05:27:01] | DrMitch: | at 127.0.0.1:6543. |
| [05:27:21] | clever: | that means it cant get to the master backend |
| [05:27:25] | clever: | not cant get to the db |
| [05:27:37] | clever: | the master backend ip in mythtv-setup needs to be set to the LAN ip |
| [05:27:46] | DrMitch: | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| [05:27:48] | clever: | and the backend ip also |
| [05:27:52] | DrMitch: | okay. thanks |
| [05:28:01] | clever: | thats needed for anything myth to access the master remotely |
| [05:28:24] | clever: | for example on my master, the ip and master ip are 192.168.1.60 |
| [05:28:57] | Tanthrix: | That really should be changed so that one IP applies to both the backend and DB. A "specify different db IP" could be added for the 2 people who don't run their db on the backend machine. |
| [05:29:20] | clever: | i run my db on a slave backend:) |
| [05:29:33] | Tanthrix: | You don't count, being one of the 2 people. ;) |
| [05:29:35] | clever: | mainly because the mysqld on the master is in the wrong timezone |
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| [05:33:20] | kormoc: | Tanthrix, it's more then just two people... |
| [05:33:25] | DrMitch: | that did it. thanks clever |
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| [05:33:53] | Tanthrix: | kormoc: Of course ;) But what percent? I can't imagine it being more than 5–10. |
| [05:34:31] | Tanthrix: | Maybe a MythTV census should be taken. |
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| [05:37:20] | clever: | Tanthrix: ive seen a plugin some1 made which uploaded a chunk of settings to a site, which then produced summarys of the popular choices |
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| [06:21:28] | k-man: | can anyone recommend a good quality dvb capture card/ |
| [06:21:28] | k-man: | ? |
| [06:22:15] | directhex: | nova-t? |
| [06:23:19] | k-man: | directhex, which one? the nova-t-500 apparantly can't cope with less than perfect reception |
| [06:23:47] | directhex: | if i meant the nova-t 500, i'd say nova-t 500 |
| [06:24:05] | k-man: | directhex, sorry, i'm not so familiar with the names |
| [06:24:11] | k-man: | so there is one called just nova-t? |
| [06:24:34] | directhex: | http://hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/prods_digital-t.html |
| [06:31:22] | k-man: | is it possible to use the topfield set top boxes as capture devices for mythtv? |
| [06:39:18] | purserj: | only as a dumb feed I thin |
| [06:39:19] | purserj: | k |
| [06:40:44] | k-man: | well, over in Australia, i have found it hard to get reliable reception with dvb capture cards |
| [06:43:08] | k-man: | they seem to have very poor tollerence of signal degredation |
| [06:45:13] | kormoc: | given it's just a mpeg stream, they should all be bout the same |
| [06:45:15] | purserj: | k-man: I'm in Australia, with a winfast dtv1000 |
| [06:45:26] | purserj: | just south of wollongong to be specific |
| [06:45:27] | k-man: | purserj, good reception? |
| [06:45:37] | purserj: | yeah except for SBS |
| [06:45:52] | k-man: | kormoc, i dunno but i can tell you that my stb gets much better reception than my capture cards and the same goes for my friend |
| [06:46:14] | k-man: | between us we have about 5 different capture devices and they all seem less sensetive than stbs |
| [06:46:30] | purserj: | k-man: where abouts are you located and what sort of aerial are you using? |
| [06:46:36] | purserj: | the stb's probably have boosters |
| [06:46:59] | purserj: | at least the PVR's like the top fields will do |
| [06:47:04] | k-man: | sydney |
| [06:47:15] | k-man: | yagi on the roof professionaly installed by some cowboys |
| [06:47:46] | kormoc: | cowboys are professional antenna installers now a days? Wow, things have changed quite a bit |
| [06:48:06] | purserj: | what's your analogue reception like? |
| [06:49:46] | k-man: | yeah, ok |
| [06:50:18] | k-man: | pretty good |
| [06:50:32] | purserj: | what you're probably going to find is that you will need a booster for the cards |
| [06:52:04] | k-man: | well in my experience boosters don't solve the problem |
| [06:54:09] | kormoc: | Boosters can't really fix an already bad signal |
| [06:57:56] | k-man: | and if the signal to noise ratio is low, then boosting doesn't improve things either (which is more or less what kormac said) |
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| [09:06:29] | gbee: | can someone point out to k-man that the Nova-T 500 has onboard amplifiers which for some stupid reason the driver doesn't enable by default but without which the card will not work, you need to pass the options to the module when loading it |
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| [09:19:00] | jduggan: | heh really |
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| [09:34:50] | gbee: | well it'll work but the signal will be so poor that you could only use it if the transmitter was just outside your front door |
| [09:35:31] | gbee: | being a dual tuner it splits the signal and needs that applification |
| [09:38:16] | gbee: | dvb_usb_dib0700 force_lna_activation=1 |
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| [10:49:43] | GizmoTech: | do mythtv support webcams based on the standzard video usb |
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| [10:51:07] | justinh: | mythtv supports only v4l compatible devices |
| [10:51:33] | justinh: | that includes some webcams |
| [10:52:12] | GizmoTech: | ok cheers |
| [10:52:15] | justinh: | though using mythtv to record from webcams is beyond sanity |
| [10:52:22] | justinh: | www.zoneminder.com |
| [10:52:58] | GizmoTech: | so most ill have to do is just recoinfugure the id in the usb video driver to accept my xbox 360 standard usb video compliant cam |
| [10:53:16] | justinh: | what for? |
| [10:53:39] | GizmoTech: | so i can a picture of any person wanting to use my computetr or steal from home |
| [10:53:58] | justinh: | you need zoneminder not mythtv |
| [10:54:19] | GizmoTech: | no myth u just said uses any device thgat can be use via v4l |
| [10:54:24] | directhex: | sigh |
| [10:54:33] | directhex: | time to /part before you go postal, justinh |
| [10:54:34] | justinh: | mythtv is not a CCTV application |
| [10:54:54] | GizmoTech: | plus if i just hooked my xbox 360 to mty comp i would have access to the cam which does same job |
| [10:55:03] | GizmoTech: | yes it is |
| [10:55:07] | GizmoTech: | it record input |
| [10:55:14] | justinh: | no it no record input |
| [10:55:21] | justinh: | it record show on teevee |
| [10:55:22] | GizmoTech: | wat ever source u have e.g digi card |
| [10:55:50] | GizmoTech: | ye |
| [10:55:56] | GizmoTech: | or a v4l source |
| [10:55:59] | directhex: | and coming up next, on webcamovision, we have half an hour of looking at a wall |
| [10:56:00] | GizmoTech: | u said |
| [10:56:06] | justinh: | well, good luck with that |
| [10:56:07] | directhex: | after the commercial, we'll be right back |
| [10:56:17] | GizmoTech: | no me playing xbox 360 on projector in hd |
| [10:56:52] | justinh: | your english is very good for somebody from peterborough |
| [10:56:56] | GizmoTech: | does it6 show the digi cards comp port |
| [10:57:16] | GizmoTech: | composite |
| [10:57:25] | directhex: | yes. why? |
| [10:57:26] | GizmoTech: | if so i hook my xbox 360 or another computer |
| [10:57:33] | GizmoTech: | to show the cam i have |
| [10:57:39] | GizmoTech: | or the xcomp or the 3650 |
| [10:57:48] | justinh: | stop typing with your fists |
| [10:57:52] | GizmoTech: | lol |
| [10:57:55] | GizmoTech: | it the keyboarde |
| [10:57:57] | directhex: | 1) there is a delay when recording then displaying. you will have at least a second of imput lag trying to play your console |
| [10:57:58] | GizmoTech: | it screwed |
| [10:58:15] | directhex: | 2) you can't do HD via composite. you can barely do SD |
| [10:58:18] | GizmoTech: | i thouht it depended on the qwulaity of system u used |
| [10:58:25] | GizmoTech: | like hardeware decoding |
| [10:58:26] | directhex: | 3) mythtv is a PVR application, it is not a CCTV system |
| [10:58:28] | GizmoTech: | gf8500gt |
| [10:58:34] | GizmoTech: | dual core 5200 |
| [10:58:43] | GizmoTech: | ddr2 800mhz |
| [10:58:44] | GizmoTech: | 2 gig of ram |
| [10:58:50] | directhex: | why are you asking questions, when you obviously don't give a shit about the answers? |
| [10:58:50] | GizmoTech: | i know |
| [10:58:53] | justinh: | www.zoneminder.com |
| [10:58:59] | GizmoTech: | but i want to exploit the capaibilties so i can |
| [10:59:07] | GizmoTech: | i dont want zoneminder |
| [10:59:09] | GizmoTech: | i want m7yth |
| [10:59:15] | GizmoTech: | as i be used as a tv system |
| [10:59:18] | GizmoTech: | primairly |
| [10:59:21] | directhex: | would you cook dinner on a car engine, because you're too 1337 to use the stove? |
| [10:59:31] | GizmoTech: | but when i go out i wan t to record everything |
| [10:59:37] | GizmoTech: | e.g sound ane a video sourcfe |
| [10:59:45] | justinh: | zoneminder is probably too hard for him, bless |
| [10:59:51] | directhex: | justinh, like typing? |
| [10:59:53] | justinh: | then again, so is mythtv |
| [11:00:02] | ** justinh goes to lunch ** | |
| [11:00:14] | GizmoTech: | and i am assuming u can jsut hook a feed to it record in compressed video |
| [11:00:34] | GizmoTech: | what so great bout zoneminder |
| [11:00:43] | GizmoTech: | does it have the sam3e capaitiblites as myth |
| [11:00:53] | directhex: | no, because it's a CCTV system, not a PVR app |
| [11:01:05] | GizmoTech: | does it control my digi card |
| [11:01:14] | GizmoTech: | and give me a tv list like what myth do |
| [11:01:14] | directhex: | the point you're trying hard not to grasp is that mythtv can be used as a PVR, and use zoneminder to perform CCTV IN ADDITION |
| [11:01:17] | GizmoTech: | ande what i want it to do |
| [11:01:42] | directhex: | you don't need to sit there recording gigabytes of video of some webcam pointed at a wall, using a PVR app |
| [11:01:52] | directhex: | you can do more than one thing with computers! zomg! |
| [11:02:02] | GizmoTech: | hmm recording at mp4 rate at rate of say 128 kb |
| [11:02:09] | GizmoTech: | is bout 200 mb vor 1hr and 20 mins |
| [11:02:15] | GizmoTech: | now i have say 400 gig spare |
| [11:02:21] | GizmoTech: | so thats bout 2000 hours |
| [11:02:29] | GizmoTech: | which is what 100 dayz continues recoring |
| [11:02:47] | GizmoTech: | so tell me what is the point of arguing that point |
| [11:02:47] | directhex: | sigh |
| [11:03:22] | GizmoTech: | plus i will have a nieghbout next door recording snapshotsw of the scrdeeen |
| [11:03:33] | GizmoTech: | just incase i got burglyecd |
| [11:03:38] | directhex: | know what? fuck it. i really cannot be bothered with you. you are absolutely unequivocally not worth my time. you come in here pretending you want help, but you don't. you explicitly want to not listen to any advice, and plow onwards towards a stupid goal |
| [11:04:15] | directhex: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythZoneMinder is exactly what you fucking want, but instead of listening to advice, you continue to talk utter shit |
| [11:04:22] | GizmoTech: | so if i install that zoneminder it will email pics to the email and record what sourcei enter |
| [11:04:36] | directhex: | if you configured it to do so |
| [11:04:40] | GizmoTech: | i asked u that question |
| [11:04:44] | GizmoTech: | u want m e to paste the log |
| [11:04:52] | directhex: | don't get smart you cunt |
| [11:04:56] | GizmoTech: | of me asking does zoneminder have the same capabiilites as myth |
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| [11:05:02] | GizmoTech: | why |
| [11:05:06] | GizmoTech: | u goin to do something nasty |
| [11:05:14] | GizmoTech: | if so let me turn off my sniffers |
| [11:05:23] | GizmoTech: | and honey pots |
| [11:05:31] | GizmoTech: | dont want ot to walk in to an ambuse |
| [11:05:36] | GizmoTech: | :P |
| [11:05:59] | GizmoTech: | so does it |
| [11:06:14] | GizmoTech: | cos if i have to click the link just to see it say uyyes and maintain buy u |
| [11:06:18] | GizmoTech: | ill be upset |
| [11:07:12] | GizmoTech: | and plus i seen no reference to it on ther web site |
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| [11:20:12] | dustybin: | GizmoTech: you need to speak to our inhouse mythtv expert, 'clever' |
| [11:24:58] | GizmoTech: | well i was getting conflicting information when i was asking him questions |
| [11:25:18] | GizmoTech: | he says it has v4l support but i thought that was also updated to v4l2 |
| [11:25:28] | GizmoTech: | whihc support most dvb cards |
| [11:29:38] | justinh: | well, just another happy Friday :) |
| [11:29:55] | GizmoTech: | yep |
| [11:30:15] | GizmoTech: | several million in drug gtransfers each hour |
| [11:32:15] | justinh: | these things happen when people ask for advice but don't effing take anything in |
| [11:34:51] | GizmoTech: | <justinh> these things happen when people ask for advi(show me where i asked advice and not a yes or no answer that i waws trying to obtain)ce but don't effing take anything in |
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| [11:35:44] | justinh: | ok let me take a few minutes to poke some holes in your aspiration to use mythtv as part PVR, part CCTV system |
| [11:35:51] | GizmoTech: | i ask a simple question for any one who uses a web cam |
| [11:35:58] | GizmoTech: | and try using it with myth |
| [11:36:01] | justinh: | 1. the USB webcam has to be v4l compliant |
| [11:36:16] | GizmoTech: | no i just wanna show my webcam |
| [11:36:30] | GizmoTech: | ill sort the cctv bit out witgh another hostg |
| [11:36:43] | justinh: | only one program can use a device at a time |
| [11:36:48] | GizmoTech: | that records the info in anohter house |
| [11:37:13] | justinh: | and guess what – as long as mythbackend is running (mythtv's server) it'll take the video device |
| [11:37:27] | GizmoTech: | no it cant u can use sa device as many timeu want in any application it can be used on its own |
| [11:37:42] | justinh: | bullshit |
| [11:37:52] | GizmoTech: | ok webcam on windows |
| [11:38:01] | GizmoTech: | u use splitcam to obtain that benifit |
| [11:38:12] | justinh: | no such thing for linux. next |
| [11:38:15] | GizmoTech: | u can use any source e.g video wize like dvb and webcam |
| [11:38:19] | GizmoTech: | in yahoo |
| [11:38:20] | GizmoTech: | msn |
| [11:38:26] | GizmoTech: | and on pal talk at once |
| [11:38:30] | GizmoTech: | now msn does that anywayz |
| [11:38:33] | GizmoTech: | just in msn |
| [11:38:34] | justinh: | next |
| [11:38:43] | GizmoTech: | ok what device u talking bout |
| [11:38:49] | GizmoTech: | and i see if i know the way to do it |
| [11:39:10] | justinh: | ok right look I'll cut my losses & save wasting my time anymore |
| [11:39:16] | justinh: | YES you can use a webcam with mythtv |
| [11:39:20] | GizmoTech: | thnk u |
| [11:39:29] | justinh: | if you want to, that's your problem |
| [11:39:35] | GizmoTech: | thank u |
| [11:39:46] | GizmoTech: | can i select the mic or line port opn myu computer with it |
| [11:39:48] | GizmoTech: | so i can record sound |
| [11:40:25] | justinh: | you don't select an audio input in mythtv. you're tied to whatever input your soundcard has set to *capture* |
| [11:40:30] | GizmoTech: | if not i can use any linux prog to do that like soundrecorder |
| [11:40:40] | GizmoTech: | ok thanx |
| [11:41:36] | GizmoTech: | can u make myth tv record on an input like button press or something like key combination or event |
| [11:41:52] | justinh: | nope |
| [11:42:29] | justinh: | this is why I was suggesting to use zoneminder to take care of the camera duties |
| [11:42:46] | justinh: | you can view zoneminder servers in mythtv with the mythzoneminder plugin |
| [11:44:03] | GizmoTech: | ye but linux is so veristile it usual a couple lines of the right information like wehethersound informaexist onthe sound like /dev/dsp |
| [11:44:27] | GizmoTech: | and if so i just send a triggerfor the mythv..like maybe macro that i recored with the mouse |
| [11:44:32] | justinh: | another reason why I suggested zoneminder is that mythtv really sucks at just being a dumb video recorder. it wasn't designed for that |
| [11:45:02] | justinh: | it's best at recording TV with scheduling provided by a programme guide |
| [11:45:53] | GizmoTech: | ye that why i like it it has everything i want...plus the benifits to disable and enable what i want ancd reconfigure the undleying base system for the security enchancesments thqt i am implmeneting as i belive from what i read bout knoppix it is a debian based system which has good security if u set it up to be one |
| [11:45:55] | justinh: | zoneminder does everything you need to do with surveillance and a lot more. it even has motion detection – and you can control it with an easy to use web interface |
| [11:46:11] | GizmoTech: | ye and i can reocrd two sources at once |
| [11:46:20] | dustybin: | justinh: what is the point of all that within 640 x 480 max res? |
| [11:46:41] | GizmoTech: | it more then a stander tle sd wise i think |
| [11:46:53] | GizmoTech: | standard sd televisino sorry |
| [11:47:17] | dustybin: | i have 1 logitech pro 4000 webcam facing outside my bedroom window watching my garden, im going to buy another for my bedroom, then get another couple of ip network cameras for downstairs |
| [11:47:26] | GizmoTech: | and i dont think it be too had to mod to accept the full res of the card capailities |
| [11:47:43] | GizmoTech: | thats expense |
| [11:47:50] | dustybin: | webcams are dirt cheap |
| [11:48:01] | dustybin: | the ip network cameras are the pricey ones |
| [11:48:09] | GizmoTech: | considering u just need to buy any standardized camera with 640x480 support and hook it up to a powered usb hub |
| [11:48:40] | dustybin: | you could do |
| [11:48:59] | GizmoTech: | a network camera is cost of the cheapest dx66 system and a input for the camera u use |
| [11:49:04] | GizmoTech: | and network carde |
| [11:49:05] | ** dustybin wonders if there is a such thing as a USB > ETHERNET box ** | |
| [11:49:34] | GizmoTech: | no but there izx s thing where u can use other pcs usb ports on the network |
| [11:49:53] | dustybin: | but those machines need to be powered on? |
| [11:50:32] | dustybin: | GizmoTech: using this software: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de |
| [11:50:37] | justinh: | dustybin: I'm not gonna sit here & argue the point of domestic CCTV again. (as in there is none) |
| [11:50:51] | GizmoTech: | wonders if u can just connect the wires from a usb lead to a cam to a network straight thru cable and the to the plug ethernet port and then a camer in the other plug socket hooked same way |
| [11:51:03] | dustybin: | justinh: i can motion detect my sister if she comes into my room and steals something ! |
| [11:51:09] | GizmoTech: | lol |
| [11:51:24] | justinh: | and, if you get a megapixel webcam, zoneminder can record that at full res. mythtv can't |
| [11:51:42] | GizmoTech: | u will have to tell ur sister u implement security features to ur rom |
| [11:51:58] | justinh: | you'll have to get a job & move out!!!!! |
| [11:52:01] | GizmoTech: | no but im sure myth tv records any http source |
| [11:52:07] | justinh: | no it doesn't |
| [11:52:09] | GizmoTech: | if so u just hook a window machine up with cam |
| [11:52:14] | justinh: | no |
| [11:52:34] | dustybin: | justinh: i have a job i work evenings!! |
| [11:52:36] | GizmoTech: | but u could make a plugin to do that |
| [11:52:43] | justinh: | GizmoTech: yes YOU could |
| [11:52:45] | GizmoTech: | like for that other system u mentioned |
| [11:52:52] | justinh: | or you could just use zoneminder |
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| [11:53:11] | GizmoTech: | that zoneminder pluging...do it have the feature to do cctv in it |
| [11:53:17] | dustybin: | i really like the look of those network cameras what have leds fitted to the lense for night vision |
| [11:53:21] | justinh: | fucking hell man zoneminder is made for CCTV – the very thing you're after! |
| [11:53:33] | GizmoTech: | or would i have to install that zoneminder on the myth system |
| [11:53:46] | justinh: | yes you need to have a ZM server somewhere on your network |
| [11:53:50] | GizmoTech: | ye u said something bout the pluging for myth |
| [11:53:55] | GizmoTech: | that allows me to see zonminder |
| [11:54:02] | dustybin: | GizmoTech: i use that plugin |
| [11:54:03] | justinh: | the ZM plugin for myth is just to see the server etc |
| [11:54:04] | GizmoTech: | is that pluging the actually program too |
| [11:54:05] | dustybin: | it works well |
| [11:54:11] | GizmoTech: | oph right thanx |
| [11:54:14] | justinh: | the plugin is just a viewer |
| [11:54:32] | dustybin: | justinh: not just a viewer, you can delete events, tell cameras to record or motion detect or turn them off |
| [11:54:40] | GizmoTech: | u have a http streamer |
| [11:54:44] | GizmoTech: | in the web browser |
| [11:54:49] | GizmoTech: | :LP |
| [11:54:49] | dustybin: | yep |
| [11:55:03] | GizmoTech: | right thers ur anser |
| [11:55:13] | GizmoTech: | jsut plug it in and setup a streaming server for the cam |
| [11:55:16] | justinh: | NO |
| [11:55:17] | dustybin: | justinh: you can watch all the events what might have been recorded by any camera |
| [11:55:20] | GizmoTech: | and veiw it in web brwser |
| [11:55:31] | justinh: | oh bloody hell what IS the point in talking to you GizmoTech . you're not paying any attention |
| [11:55:53] | GizmoTech: | so if someone looks at ur computer nad see the program u wont think there be more devious |
| [11:56:03] | GizmoTech: | i am |
| [11:56:13] | GizmoTech: | he asked somethign and i explained |
| [11:56:24] | GizmoTech: | if u want to record u just record the stream silently |
| [11:56:33] | GizmoTech: | so it just looks like myth |
| [11:56:39] | dustybin: | o_0 |
| [11:56:41] | GizmoTech: | but u have add3ed benifit |
| [11:56:43] | GizmoTech: | :P |
| [11:56:49] | GizmoTech: | i look stealth technology |
| [11:56:55] | GizmoTech: | love = look |
| [11:57:02] | justinh: | I fucking hate half-term |
| [11:57:13] | GizmoTech: | awww |
| [11:57:15] | GizmoTech: | why |
| [11:57:25] | GizmoTech: | u spend all that time making plans that do things |
| [11:57:27] | GizmoTech: | :P |
| [11:57:37] | GizmoTech: | like spy on ur local mad ppl |
| [11:57:40] | GizmoTech: | :P |
| [11:58:04] | dustybin: | my X10 automation scripts are now randomized |
| [11:58:10] | dustybin: | i have stuck this at the begining |
| [11:58:13] | dustybin: | sleep $((RANDOM%1800)) |
| [11:58:32] | dustybin: | so that means lights now come on and off within a random 30min period |
| [11:58:45] | GizmoTech: | thats not as random as u may think |
| [11:59:01] | GizmoTech: | it can eaisly be controlled under a certain circumstand |
| [11:59:04] | dustybin: | GizmoTech: im sure its random enough for jo blog the thief |
| [11:59:15] | justinh: | weird but you can buy a plug thingy for £5 which does that |
| [11:59:41] | GizmoTech: | depend if u got something computerised on ur computer that benifits ppl then ppl would steal it |
| [11:59:43] | dustybin: | justinh: you cannot control that 5 pound thingy from the internet |
| [11:59:52] | GizmoTech: | plus if u in ur system and someone hacks whilst u in it |
| [11:59:53] | justinh: | so? |
| [11:59:57] | GizmoTech: | u stuf |
| [12:00:08] | justinh: | I can't control my iron from the internet either. big deal |
| [12:00:13] | GizmoTech: | cos ther could fake the line in ur command so u see it but in theory it not there |
| [12:00:13] | dustybin: | hehe |
| [12:00:26] | GizmoTech: | so u think u protected but u not |
| [12:00:28] | dustybin: | o_0 |
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| [12:00:42] | justinh: | jesus. maybe home cctv DOES have a use after all! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7426950.stm |
| [12:00:42] | dustybin: | GizmoTech: are you friends with clever by any chance? |
| [12:00:48] | GizmoTech: | im sure a misdirect linki would open ur system kernel right up |
| [12:00:59] | GizmoTech: | not at all |
| [12:01:01] | GizmoTech: | i am self learnt |
| [12:01:19] | dustybin: | lol |
| [12:01:23] | GizmoTech: | lol |
| [12:01:26] | GizmoTech: | but i am 28 |
| [12:01:35] | GizmoTech: | so had a few years of playing with old computers |
| [12:01:40] | justinh: | I don't mind leaving my mythweb port open but I'd definitely think more than twice about leaving HA exposed, even with https |
| [12:01:48] | GizmoTech: | ancd had lots of media instruction |
| [12:02:09] | GizmoTech: | no offense do u do updates |
| [12:02:23] | GizmoTech: | like adobe pluging |
| [12:02:26] | GizmoTech: | or flash |
| [12:02:32] | dustybin: | justinh: its not exposed, its password protected |
| [12:02:50] | justinh: | pfft |
| [12:02:55] | GizmoTech: | ok u go to a website from a blog that u interested in |
| [12:03:02] | GizmoTech: | and it ask u to update ur plugn |
| [12:03:03] | dustybin: | and iptables only accepts certain IPs to access it |
| [12:03:05] | GizmoTech: | u click yes |
| [12:03:25] | justinh: | sort of defeats the whole 'anywhere on the internet' thing though innit |
| [12:03:25] | GizmoTech: | now i have fool u in to downloing a file |
| [12:03:31] | GizmoTech: | which control ur firefox |
| [12:04:02] | GizmoTech: | and can be remoely redirect u to urls that u thin ku going to but actually redirets u to another source |
| [12:04:16] | GizmoTech: | that source steals ur ip and mac and passwored and usernzmes |
| [12:04:29] | GizmoTech: | yes i know |
| [12:04:36] | GizmoTech: | it billiant of what i thought of |
| [12:04:50] | GizmoTech: | ppl think cos things are getting better that tbe security is getting bdtter |
| [12:05:22] | GizmoTech: | much better then a key logger or anything |
| [12:05:38] | GizmoTech: | u could literally sniff the network on ther computer |
| [12:06:09] | GizmoTech: | ok for instance u email via the page |
| [12:06:15] | GizmoTech: | to ask ur friend to remotely log in |
| [12:06:29] | GizmoTech: | now the middle link has this |
| [12:06:42] | dustybin: | o_0 |
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| [12:07:20] | GizmoTech: | now encypted tunnels ther a funnythi g |
| [12:07:35] | GizmoTech: | we know there so many ips |
| [12:07:47] | GizmoTech: | and thats not as much as a text or data |
| [12:07:55] | GizmoTech: | so if we concentrate on just crracking the ip |
| [12:08:05] | GizmoTech: | we will have the whole key to decrypt the bit we wont |
| [12:09:11] | dustybin: | 0_o |
| [12:09:47] | ** justinh invites GizmoTech to pwn his mythbox ** | |
| [12:10:03] | GizmoTech: | i dotn hack |
| [12:10:14] | GizmoTech: | i suggest ways of where theres a vunerbility |
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| [12:10:44] | justinh: | I can haz sikuridy ? |
| [12:11:01] | GizmoTech: | i not even going to bother |
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| [12:13:07] | GizmoTech: | has anyone try to login very telnet |
| [12:13:11] | GizmoTech: | to irc |
| [12:13:18] | GizmoTech: | took me a while |
| [12:13:26] | GizmoTech: | but only 4 lines of code |
| [12:13:29] | GizmoTech: | :P |
| [12:13:36] | GizmoTech: | u see all the rooms in one box |
| [12:13:38] | justinh: | try to login very telnet? what the hell? |
| [12:13:43] | GizmoTech: | ye |
| [12:13:48] | justinh: | very telnet? |
| [12:13:52] | GizmoTech: | telent to irc.thishost |
| [12:13:59] | GizmoTech: | then type USER name |
| [12:14:06] | GizmoTech: | sorry NICK name |
| [12:14:08] | justinh: | I know what telnet is |
| [12:14:16] | GizmoTech: | the USER blah |
| [12:14:17] | justinh: | login VERY telnet |
| [12:14:29] | justinh: | via, you mean? |
| [12:14:31] | GizmoTech: | not with irc |
| [12:14:50] | GizmoTech: | login in via telnet to here |
| [12:15:01] | justinh: | it wasn't clear you meant VIA |
| [12:16:04] | dustybin: | well IRC works with plain text so you probably could, but it would be tedious |
| [12:16:33] | GizmoTech: | no 3 4 lines |
| [12:16:40] | GizmoTech: | u dont use the / command |
| [12:16:48] | justinh: | you should get in touch with clever, GizmoTech. he does daft things just because he can, too |
| [12:16:59] | GizmoTech: | and u dont have the restriction of all the restriction that client server give u |
| [12:17:14] | GizmoTech: | lol why not |
| [12:17:24] | GizmoTech: | lo0ng as it not for illegal or malicious use |
| [12:17:52] | dustybin: | GizmoTech: thats why one has invented the irc client |
| [12:18:01] | dustybin: | you can send emails via telnet too, but again, its tedious |
| [12:18:59] | justinh: | freenode might not take too kindly to it |
| [12:19:15] | GizmoTech: | ye great for mass mailing tho if u program ur own text streamk |
| [12:19:26] | dustybin: | o_0 |
| [12:19:33] | GizmoTech: | via perl or somethin g |
| [12:19:56] | GizmoTech: | or just inject to a tcpo port and add ya own packets |
| [12:20:32] | GizmoTech: | like whlst sending mail u do it undlyingly with anoth hook |
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| [12:20:44] | jarle: | is it possible to have a different theme for mythtv-setup than the theme used on the frontend (on the same machine)? |
| [12:21:21] | GizmoTech: | i assume so unless they stopped that ability |
| [12:21:23] | justinh: | yup |
| [12:21:27] | GreyFoxx: | Jarle: Might be able to use -O Theme=whatever |
| [12:21:28] | GizmoTech: | i seen themes fo it tho |
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| [12:21:31] | GreyFoxx: | never tried it on mythtv-setup |
| [12:21:31] | justinh: | jarle: mythtv-setup -O Theme=foo |
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| [12:21:49] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: it works :) |
| [12:22:00] | justinh: | er.. I mean it did with 0.20 anyway |
| [12:22:18] | justinh: | -geometry options work aswell |
| [12:22:54] | justinh: | bah reminded me I need to continue doing my theme cleanups |
| [12:25:22] | jarle: | will have to check if this segfault has anything to do with the theme used or not: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5367 |
| [12:26:52] | justinh: | eew |
| [12:27:05] | justinh: | I doubt it's theme specific |
| [12:27:24] | GizmoTech: | seg fualt usually due to memory or harddrive |
| [12:27:26] | GizmoTech: | or cable |
| [12:27:34] | justinh: | themes have little control over the setup menus |
| [12:27:39] | GizmoTech: | if it harddrive just do a harddrive check |
| [12:27:41] | GizmoTech: | if memeory do memory chech |
| [12:27:44] | GizmoTech: | if cable replace |
| [12:27:50] | justinh: | by 'little' I mean the background image, the font & colours |
| [12:27:57] | GizmoTech: | or the cd u use |
| [12:28:04] | GizmoTech: | i alway verify if i am installing a base system |
| [12:28:12] | GizmoTech: | jsut to make sure it work first time properly |
| [12:28:21] | justinh: | GizmoTech: I can't stand idly by & watch you spout such bullshit |
| [12:28:47] | GizmoTech: | that the top 3 probs when it come to seg fault if eveythign else goes normal |
| [12:28:54] | GizmoTech: | e.g if it boots |
| [12:29:55] | justinh: | yeah. if you get segfaults, try fitting cooling strips on your ram |
| [12:29:57] | justinh: | :-\z |
| [12:30:28] | GizmoTech: | or increasing voltzge to 2.8 |
| [12:30:33] | GizmoTech: | to ram |
| [12:30:43] | justinh: | now I _know_ you're a troll |
| [12:31:05] | GizmoTech: | ok motherboard use 2.5- 2.6 for voltage to ddr |
| [12:31:20] | GizmoTech: | even tho ddr require 2.8 to ramin sta le effiencily |
| [12:31:43] | GizmoTech: | fking keyboard |
| [12:31:56] | GizmoTech: | i been modding computer for over 16 years |
| [12:32:02] | jarle: | GizmoTech: segfaults has got *nothing* to do with faulty hardware... just faulty code accessing parts of memory that is is not allowed to... |
| [12:32:16] | GizmoTech: | i learnt oall the old tail and i know most of the old wife tails that a falicous |
| [12:32:27] | GizmoTech: | ye |
| [12:32:31] | GizmoTech: | what is memory |
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| [12:32:33] | GizmoTech: | just data |
| [12:32:51] | GizmoTech: | data is store on volite or non-volitile memory |
| [12:32:59] | GizmoTech: | memory store on the swap partition |
| [12:33:04] | GizmoTech: | e.g harddrive |
| [12:33:13] | GizmoTech: | harddrive is connected to jcables |
| [12:33:17] | GizmoTech: | cable died afgter a while |
| [12:33:22] | GizmoTech: | something in first few months |
| [12:33:25] | GizmoTech: | sometimes never |
| [12:33:33] | GizmoTech: | memory was the frist thing i suggest |
| [12:33:43] | GizmoTech: | hence the memory test to eliminate it |
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| [12:33:52] | GizmoTech: | and harddrive gtest to see if it the cable or harddrive |
| [12:34:02] | GizmoTech: | if niether then check the media u using to install it |
| [12:34:09] | GizmoTech: | just incase it was a bad source |
| [12:34:27] | GizmoTech: | i am offering techniques to elimnate problem quickly |
| [12:34:40] | GizmoTech: | i assume it not the chip or baord as they do post check |
| [12:34:48] | GizmoTech: | but me3mory is usually quick scanned |
| [12:35:32] | GizmoTech: | brb installing myth |
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| [12:36:53] | monkeyBox: | Hi all. I would like to downsize one of my HD recordings to be around 700M. How would I go about doing that? |
| [12:45:27] | justinh: | by decreasing the quality! |
| [12:46:50] | justinh: | or convert it to x264 with ffmpeg.. there are articles about that on the internet I believe |
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| [12:48:41] | justinh: | wow these new sata cables actually have some retention force |
| [12:49:13] | justinh: | my only concern now is that the oafs who service/upgrade machines might snap connectors from boards |
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| [12:54:45] | directhex: | he's gone! |
| [12:54:48] | justinh: | ffs. wife has just paid £125 per ticket to go see that whizzened old prune. glad it's not MY money |
| [12:55:03] | justinh: | directhex: you said c*** ! |
| [12:55:16] | directhex: | justinh, he WAS one! |
| [12:55:27] | justinh: | he'll be back, I think we can all be sure of that |
| [12:55:39] | justinh: | did you know what causes segfaults? bad hardware, apparently |
| [12:56:27] | directhex: | really? i have a mail here from SGI saying it's because of a stack limit in my environment. they were right, too |
| [12:57:03] | justinh: | I blame half-term break |
| [12:57:33] | directhex: | i was watching beirdobot logs, to know when it was safe to rejoin |
| [12:59:26] | justinh: | I should try to keep a lid on it. it's not fun to watch |
| [13:01:57] | ** justinh wonders if there's been a fix for sticky popups in mythweb since he installed it ** | |
| [13:02:13] | directhex: | i didn't READ the backlog, i was waiting to see a /part or /quit |
| [13:08:28] | Dibblah: | Actually, segfaults can be caused by bad hardware. |
| [13:08:33] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [13:09:08] | justinh: | can be, yeah |
| [13:09:24] | justinh: | not exclusively |
| [13:10:07] | directhex: | anyway, it comes to something when dustybin is the figure of knowledge in the channel |
| [13:10:59] | justinh: | goes to show how useful IRC is as a support medium :) |
| [13:11:09] | Dibblah: | It's great. |
| [13:11:36] | Dibblah: | Five minutes after joining a channel, I can have been berated AND have 3 different wrong answers. |
| [13:11:40] | Dibblah: | ;) |
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| [13:12:50] | justinh: | my wish to give factually accurate information degrades as patience is lost |
| [13:13:06] | justinh: | and what never helps |
| [13:13:08] | justinh: | is when |
| [13:13:09] | justinh: | people |
| [13:13:17] | Tuju: | http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1 . . . 584&l4=0 should this work? It has Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3500 |
| [13:13:19] | justinh: | stagger sentences over several lines |
| [13:13:32] | directhex: | and |
| [13:13:33] | justinh: | Tuju: if it doesn't work, take it back to the shop |
| [13:13:37] | directhex: | never pay any att |
| [13:13:39] | directhex: | ention to the answer |
| [13:13:41] | Tuju: | it carries sound in its HDMI |
| [13:13:43] | directhex: | they insist that the |
| [13:13:47] | directhex: | ir idea is the right way |
| [13:14:32] | justinh: | directhex: he got my pity. 28 years old & unable to string a sentence together |
| [13:14:58] | directhex: | justinh, i have a character flaw: i hate stupid people |
| [13:15:01] | justinh: | Tuju: check the sound hardware is supported by linux |
| [13:15:14] | justinh: | directhex: yours is way less serious than mine then |
| [13:15:16] | Tuju: | justinh: that's what I'm doing here :) |
| [13:15:28] | directhex: | i feel stupidity near me is a personal affront, like someone shouting "duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh" over the top of everything you say |
| [13:15:29] | justinh: | Tuju: alsadriver.org or whatever |
| [13:15:38] | directhex: | alsa-project.org iirc |
| [13:15:53] | justinh: | nobody here is a walking, sentient hardware encyclopedia |
| [13:16:12] | Beirdo: | duuuuuuuuuuuuuuh! |
| [13:16:16] | Tuju: | i was more worried about video |
| [13:16:20] | Beirdo: | sorry, couldn't resist |
| [13:16:26] | justinh: | Tuju: intel video is supported in linux |
| [13:16:32] | Tuju: | i'd guess that the voice is somewhat standard on hdmi |
| [13:16:52] | directhex: | Tuju, the reverse is true. video more likely to work than audio |
| [13:16:53] | ** Beirdo is getting pissed at ruby on rails and Firefox 3 for not wanting to do image submit buttons the way I want ** | |
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| [13:17:33] | directhex: | Tuju, as per http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html the video ought to work fine |
| [13:18:46] | Tuju: | mmmm, did you find x3500 there? |
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| [13:19:00] | justinh: | directhex: you should go to a linux expo some time & meet some people at the front line. WHY DOES MYTHTV USE MYSQL? MY BACKEND KEEPS CRASHING. WHY?! I must be quite a sight to behold biting my lip |
| [13:20:07] | dustybin: | justinh: a hall full of richard stallman look-alikes? |
| [13:20:24] | justinh: | Tuju: from the asus webpage.. " Intel® G35 Chipset" and from the http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html page... "G35 Intel® G35 Express Chipset" |
| [13:20:33] | justinh: | that'll be $50 please |
| [13:20:41] | directhex: | plus vat |
| [13:20:53] | justinh: | dustybin: no. thankfully there's only one of him |
| [13:21:02] | justinh: | smell alikes, maybe |
| [13:21:21] | directhex: | right, gotta cath teh bus |
| [13:22:42] | justinh: | if reading & writing is so hard for people who come in here, how will they ever succeed in making mythtv work? Aaanyway... |
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| [13:28:50] | Tuju: | justinh: ack, so it's supported. thanks :) |
| [13:29:31] | Kyler: | I just noticed that the Hauppauge HD-PVR is shipping. Looks like it's about time for me to revamp my MythTV system. |
| [13:30:12] | Kyler: | I'm thinking of moving from Dish Network to DirecTV for HD. I just want to get away from IR control of Dish Network. |
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| [13:34:11] | Kyler: | My current Dish Network system (three boxes) does not require telephone connection. Any chance of getting the same with DTV? |
| [13:35:43] | Beirdo: | ahhhh. CSS to the rescue |
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| [13:39:54] | ** justinh chuckles at people whining about download caps on El Reg ** | |
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| [13:50:50] | justdave: | Kyler: doesn't the HD-PVR still require IR control? |
| [13:51:32] | justdave: | when I was looking at the specs last week, it doesn't look like it has a cable tuner or anything, it's just got component and HDMI inputs and an IR blaster |
| [13:52:55] | justinh: | doesn't look like? it actually doesn't have :) |
| [13:53:03] | justinh: | and it has no HDMI inputs |
| [13:53:22] | justinh: | there's component, svideo & composite IIRC |
| [13:53:44] | justinh: | stereo audio & optical audio in |
| [13:53:55] | justinh: | and loopthrough connections for component & audio |
| [13:54:38] | justdave: | HDMI was a wild guess. I remembered there was something other than component but couldn't remember what :) |
| [13:55:20] | justinh: | I only hope STBs don't wind up with their component outputs disabled on your side of the pond |
| [13:55:28] | justinh: | .. like they have been here |
| [13:55:53] | justdave: | oh, they do HDMI only or something on the outputs from the cable boxes? |
| [13:56:21] | justinh: | Freesat HD boxes have had their component outs disabled in new firmware. people who have HD TVs without HDMI are a little bit pissed about that |
| [13:56:29] | directhex: | :o |
| [13:56:36] | justdave: | and I suppose 75 Ohm coax, too, so you can connect to an older TV, but you wouldn't want to record off that. |
| [13:56:41] | directhex: | who demanded such cockbaggery? |
| [13:57:10] | justinh: | directhex: don't think anybody did, but all the boxes are doing is obeying flags in the streams |
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| [13:59:06] | justinh: | oh fucking hell. wifey has bought more tickets for Tina Turnip – intending to sell them on ebay for profit. for fucks sakes! |
| [13:59:23] | justinh: | wonder where she was last time the ebay ticket outcry was all over the news |
| [13:59:28] | directhex: | the lessons of the ps3 launch were not learnt |
| [14:00:04] | justinh: | £500 on tickets today. now it's an issue |
| [14:01:04] | willcooke: | she's worked by remote control you know, Tina Turner |
| [14:01:50] | directhex: | can you afford £500 of "investment" in scalping? |
| [14:02:04] | justinh: | was it really her or just somebody whose blood she's now using? |
| [14:03:29] | justinh: | maybe I'll go & splurge a few hundred on a fancy massage in Manchester on my way home from work |
| [14:03:47] | justinh: | ahem |
| [14:04:15] | justinh: | well, I knew she was mental when I married her. she was marrying me, after all.. badoom tish |
| [14:06:21] | willcooke: | How does one go about editing the location for the icon in the icon downloader? |
| [14:07:50] | directhex: | justinh, use the profits from scalping (if there are any) on a mac mini! |
| [14:08:41] | dustybin: | no HDTV = no mac mini |
| [14:08:42] | justinh: | need a hood look-u-duh-tuhv first |
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| [14:09:47] | justinh: | ah well, maybe she'll double her money with my help & we both benefit. still think it's a scummy thing to do |
| [14:11:11] | justinh: | just seen the booking confirmation. april 2009. crazy |
| [14:11:46] | directhex: | it's unquestionably scummy, and not guaranteed to be profitable |
| [14:11:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Those tikets are for NEXT YEAR? Jeeze... |
| [14:12:12] | justinh: | directhex: maybe, but reckoning how fast they're selling.. |
| [14:12:35] | justinh: | doesn't diminish the scumminess though |
| [14:12:45] | directhex: | well, just remember the ps3 launch scalpers |
| [14:12:54] | justinh: | I secretly hope she gets burnt |
| [14:13:17] | justinh: | £125 to see some old bint in a big echoey cold shed |
| [14:14:38] | justinh: | my sister went to see George Michael last year.. that was £80 a ticket. better watching a DVD at home – or not if it's him :P |
| [14:14:48] | otwin: | one ticket £125? |
| [14:14:56] | justinh: | otwin: yup |
| [14:15:20] | otwin: | and i thought madonna was sick for her ticket prices... |
| [14:15:23] | directhex: | i've never paid more than about 25 quid for a concert ticket, and that's for real people, not over-hyped queers like george michael |
| [14:15:25] | justinh: | dunno how much it costs to see acts in Vegas but I bet it's not that expensive |
| [14:15:45] | ** otwin bought r.e.m. tickets today ** | |
| [14:15:48] | justinh: | and it'd be in Vegas, not some stinky cold echoey shed |
| [14:16:06] | directhex: | otwin, for how much? |
| [14:16:21] | dustybin: | Jean Micheal Jarre tickets were worth buying |
| [14:16:26] | otwin: | directhex: 54€ plus 4€ charges |
| [14:16:29] | directhex: | actually, speak of over-hyped queers, and rem gets a mention! |
| [14:16:55] | otwin: | otwin: which is my personal ticket for *almost* any concert |
| [14:17:10] | justinh: | £59 to see REM? you must really like em |
| [14:17:12] | otwin: | s/ticket/limit |
| [14:17:35] | otwin: | justinh: euros |
| [14:17:41] | justinh: | ahh |
| [14:17:49] | justinh: | more reasonable |
| [14:17:49] | directhex: | justinh, well, that michael stipe is such a hunky dreamboat! |
| [14:18:25] | justinh: | I can never see or hear REM without thinking about Denis Leary's parody on MTV's Unplugged |
| [14:19:21] | directhex: | i can never hear REM without thinking "i know this song, i think it's an old REM track" |
| [14:20:45] | otwin: | when i'm hearing r.e.m i think i'm 16 and trying to get the girls drunk |
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| [14:21:00] | directhex: | :o child rape! |
| [14:21:29] | otwin: | heh |
| [14:21:49] | justinh: | oh crap. HR dept are rattling on about cycle to work again |
| [14:22:06] | justinh: | yeah skinny bitches – YOU cycle 70 miles a day |
| [14:22:59] | directhex: | here... and here... are as red as a fire engine |
| [14:23:23] | justinh: | so, you get some money to buy a spanky new bike from Hellfrauds, have money deducted from your wages at source and after 1 year still not own the bike |
| [14:24:43] | justinh: | 'your employer may opt to allow you to purchase the bicyle at the end of the 12 month term. If you choose not to purchase the bicycle a disposal fee will be charged' |
| [14:25:11] | justinh: | so, you basically buy the bike or throw money away to have the bike skipped. insanity |
| [14:26:36] | justinh: | "Why not join the cycling revolution and spread the word to your work colleagues and get on your bike. |
| [14:26:49] | justinh: | yeah.. get on my bike. I certainly plan to! |
| [14:28:21] | justinh: | TFIF ! |
| [14:29:04] | directhex: | got a long drive tomorrow :| |
| [14:29:15] | justinh: | going anywhere nice? |
| [14:29:24] | justinh: | I have to drive to cornwall next month |
| [14:30:10] | directhex: | exeter. or essex. the one down & to the left for 200 miles |
| [14:30:17] | directhex: | i was never good with maps |
| [14:32:09] | justinh: | well, time to head into town. shopping yay :( |
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| [14:34:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: You still have money left after those tickets? ;-) |
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| [14:51:24] | cheeze04: | hello |
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| [15:07:12] | Kyler: | justdave: The HD-PVR only has IR control I/O but I don't mind using my computer's serial port to control a receiver. |
| [15:07:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kyler: Did you receive your HD-PVR yet? |
| [15:07:56] | justdave: | I got a Mac Mini to use as a frontend on one of my TVs, works great |
| [15:08:02] | Kyler: | I'm so sick of having a bunch of recordings hosed because an HD or PPV channel got added to my lineup and kept the IR channel changes from working. |
| [15:08:15] | justdave: | in fact, it works a lot better than my primary backend Myth machine, except for the lack of tuners |
| [15:08:34] | justdave: | so I was considering getting one of those new HD-PVRs to hook up to it, since its an external USB dongle |
| [15:08:35] | Kyler: | J-e-f-f-A: No, I haven't ordered one yet. As soon as I know that there's Linux support pending I'm redoing my entire system for HD. |
| [15:09:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kyler: the "word on the street" is that the linux driver has already been developed, and it will be out very, very soon. |
| [15:09:23] | justdave: | Kyler: what do they do, stick a screen up saying "we added this channel!" that you have to clear or something? |
| [15:10:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kyler: My dish receivers act the same way — you can't get out of that screen without pressing 'channel up' or 'down'... So I added a 'channel up' as the first key to my channel change scripts. |
| [15:11:14] | Kyler: | justdave: No, the problem is that the channel is added to Myth's lineup and then my "record any recent movies" recording tries to use it. Then the tuner throws up a message about how I don't have the channel or need to pay for it. |
| [15:11:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | justdave: No, but if myth tunes a channel that you're not subbed to, channel changing by number doesn't work... you have to use channel up/down to get out of that screen (at least on dish network, his is probably similar) |
| [15:11:58] | Kyler: | ...and I've tried to modify my channel changing script so that it always exits out of such a screen but I've not been successful. |
| [15:12:06] | justdave: | stalling right now to hear that people actually have the thing working with Myth before I buy one though |
| [15:12:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kyler: What do you have to do to get out of the screen? |
| [15:12:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | justdave: iamlindoro_ bought one – shipped yesterday I think – check with him when he gets it setup... ;-) |
| [15:13:08] | Kyler: | J-e-f-f-A: Well...it varies depending on whether is PPV or HD. I haven't taken good notes. I've tried a few things though – even power cycling the tuner everytime I change the channel. |
| [15:14:17] | Kyler: | Anyone hear more about the component grabber in this thread? http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=91569 |
| [15:15:21] | Kyler: | Oh...wrong thread. Try this one. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . reply;so=ASC |
| [15:15:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kyler: Best thing to do is to grab your remote and 'manually' tune a 'bad' channel on your receiver, then note the steps to get out of it. (for each one...) |
| [15:15:57] | Kyler: | (Look for "david at thegeorges".) |
| [15:16:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kyler: Then find a 'common' way that gets out of both – perhaps 'channel up' will get you out of that screen and to a 'real' channel, from which you can then do a normal channel change from. |
| [15:16:40] | Kyler: | J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, I know. I should put on my "scientist" hat but I get so frustrated when it happens and then I just want to forget about it when it's working. |
| [15:16:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kyler: Or maybe you can go to the setup menu, then hop out of that, etc.. |
| [15:17:01] | Kyler: | J-e-f-f-A: "channel up" is definitely one of the things I've tried. "cancel" also. |
| [15:17:32] | Kyler: | J-e-f-f-A: "menu" is a good idea. I might get inspired to try that. |
| [15:18:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kyler: On one of my old 'pvr' dish receivers, I had to do "Home" "Home" "ok" first to get out of the screensaver if it got trapped on a screen or menu like that... |
| [15:18:40] | Kyler: | But I'd _really_ rather get serial control. If DirecTV gives me that I'm going to be awfully tempted to switch. The only issue is the need for an analog telephone connection. |
| [15:18:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kyler: And don't forget the appropriate pauses between 'button presses' – the bummer is that it makes the channel change script take a few seconds longer... |
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| [15:25:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anyone know if the Hauppauge USB HVR-950 ATSC tuner 'plays nice' with other tuners now? About 6–12 months ago the driver would break all other tuners in the system — is that still the case? (afraid to try!) |
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| [15:31:36] | keith4: | so.... I got a Roku Netflix player. pretty slick |
| [15:32:10] | keith4: | now, I just have to figure out how to feed its output into a mythtv channel |
| [15:33:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith4: Does it have s-video output? If so, just feed it into an Hauppauge PVR tuner... Svideo/audio... But then again, how would you get listings???? |
| [15:34:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith4: Unless you did 'manual' schedules for that tuner only... |
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| [15:34:22] | keith4: | it's a possibility |
| [15:34:31] | keith4: | yah, it has s-video, composite, component, and hdmi |
| [15:34:42] | keith4: | plus optical and RCA audio |
| [15:34:46] | keith4: | not a bad deal at all, for $100 |
| [15:35:10] | iamlindoro: | That box is allegedly capable of HD streaming when Netflix gets around to it... that should be interesting |
| [15:35:21] | iamlindoro: | Since the bitrates will have to be painfully low |
| [15:35:27] | keith4: | I imagine a future where there's a netflix plugin for mythvideo that will let you *stream* from netflix... maybe using a hacked Roku box |
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| [15:35:49] | keith4: | iamlindoro: the quality now is quite impressive. I was expecting to be disappointed, but I wasn't |
| [15:36:21] | keith4: | it seems to "evaluate" your bandwidth, and choose a quality "level" accordingly |
| [15:36:23] | iamlindoro: | keith4, I've seen Netflix streaming-- it's "ok" to my eyes, but definitely for the casual watch and not archival |
| [15:36:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith4: iamlindoro My wife has an IPTV box from Sky Angel – the quality for that is suprisingly good. It uses MPEG4 compression. |
| [15:36:51] | keith4: | it's easily as good as the DVD rips I've done |
| [15:36:55] | keith4: | quality-wise |
| [15:37:09] | iamlindoro: | keith4, Then you need to spend more time/less compression on your DVD rips :) |
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| [15:37:29] | craftyguy: | howdy |
| [15:37:43] | keith4: | iamlindoro: the good quality might have something to do with my 20mbit 'net connection |
| [15:38:08] | iamlindoro: | keith4, IIRC the netflix stuff tops out at 4 Mbit or so at the maximum streaming quality |
| [15:38:20] | keith4: | they claim it requires 3 mbit |
| [15:38:27] | iamlindoro: | Which is still < half DVD bitrate |
| [15:38:44] | keith4: | sure, but I think it's mpeg4 |
| [15:38:59] | keith4: | and if it requires 3 mbit, doesn't that imply "3 mbit for the lowest quality"? |
| [15:39:37] | iamlindoro: | keith4, What is it you want me to tell you? I've *seen* Netflix streaming, I am a netflix customer, and in my opinion it's ok but not even close to a DVD rip |
| [15:40:11] | keith4: | I know. that's what I thought, too. you have to see it to believe it |
| [15:40:35] | iamlindoro: | Why do you keep skipping over the part where I say I *have* seen it??? |
| [15:40:56] | sphing: | is it not possible the box has a different stream that what is available online? |
| [15:41:14] | monkeyBox: | Hi all. I'm trying to convert an HD recording to a CD-size video file. I'm using this command: ffmpeg -i 1041_20080520190000.mpg -target ntsc-svcd /tmp/vid.mpg , But it's saying "Unsupported coded (id=86020) for input stream #0.1. — which is the audio stream. How can I fix this? |
| [15:41:20] | sphing: | online to your browser anyway.. |
| [15:41:22] | iamlindoro: | sphing, It's not. It's the same mechanism. Plenty of articles on the box/service at Engadgethd |
| [15:41:41] | keith4: | iamlindoro: i think it looks worse on a computer, same as with DVDs |
| [15:41:44] | sphing: | ok, worth a shot |
| [15:41:53] | iamlindoro: | monkeyBox, Stop using ubuntu's broken ffmpeg? |
| [15:42:13] | keith4: | maybe my aquos did some fancy upconverting or smoothing or something, but i swear it looks better than in Windows |
| [15:42:28] | monkeyBox: | iamlindoro, heh.. seriously? ffmpeg is broken in ubuntu? |
| [15:42:42] | directhex: | ffmpeg in ubuntu lacks patent-infringing things like mp3 |
| [15:42:45] | iamlindoro: | monkeyBox, only if you consider not including most of the essential codecs to be broken :) |
| [15:42:46] | directhex: | google "medibuntu" |
| [15:43:12] | keith4: | and while they do promise HD capability in the future, via a firmware upgrade... as you said, it would be low bandwidth, and there seems to be a lot of speculation on whether or not they'll actually deliver on that promise |
| [15:43:20] | iamlindoro: | directhex has the right answer for you, monkeyBox |
| [15:43:40] | monkeyBox: | directhex, thanks :) |
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| [15:45:28] | craftyguy: | what would typically cause choppy LiveTV and mythfrontend log to fill with various "[mpeg2video @ 0x7fa1220c7cf0]ac-tex damaged at 9 43" errors? |
| [15:45:39] | iamlindoro: | broken stream/poor signal |
| [15:45:43] | Cyberai: | has anyone heard anything about work or progress on the Hauppage HDPVR integration to Myth? |
| [15:45:58] | iamlindoro: | Cyberai, Wait until Monday and ask that question :) |
| [15:46:01] | glimpser: | trying to manually install (./configure) mythtv on ubuntu but i get "You must have FreeType installed to compile MythTV" |
| [15:46:13] | iamlindoro: | glimpser, apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [15:46:26] | craftyguy: | hmm, interesting. I've had a very stable mythtv setup for over 2 years now, and just started having this problem last night. |
| [15:46:30] | iamlindoro: | Cyberai, That is to say, "It's under control, wink, wink." |
| [15:46:41] | Cyberai: | oh god, joygasm |
| [15:46:57] | iamlindoro: | My Hd-PVR is en route, woo hoo |
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| [15:47:24] | Cyberai: | guess I'll have to upgrace to trunk to get it working, but totally worth it |
| [15:47:34] | iamlindoro: | Cyberai, AFAIK there will be a patch to -fixes |
| [15:47:36] | Cyberai: | im still in the stone age .20 |
| [15:47:44] | iamlindoro: | Ah, then yes :) |
| [15:48:25] | Cyberai: | it's OK. I've found how I can install trunk and keep my rpm based version intact until I'm ready to switch over. |
| [15:48:28] | hatchmt: | My ATI TV Wonder has finally given up the ghost, so I need to replace it. What is the best analog tuner for the money? |
| [15:48:35] | Cyberai: | sounds like a great weekend project |
| [15:48:41] | iamlindoro: | hatchmt, PVR-150 |
| [15:49:09] | Cyberai: | pvr-150's are getting hard to find |
| [15:49:12] | iamlindoro: | or, if you absolutely *can't* find a pvr-150 right now, the HVR-1600s are now supported with a tiny bit of work |
| [15:49:27] | hatchmt: | hmmm |
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| [15:49:43] | hatchmt: | why are the 150's hard to find? are they discontinued? |
| [15:49:47] | Cyberai: | I still think the PVR-500 is the best bang for the buck. Two tuners for just a little more than the price of one |
| [15:49:49] | iamlindoro: | EOL, yes |
| [15:51:14] | hatchmt: | Do all the WinTV tuners have hardware encoding? My ATI tuner didn't and it bothered me |
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| [15:51:38] | iamlindoro: | hatchmt, there are alder WinTV tuners that are framegrabbers... the entire PVR- series are hardware encoders, though |
| [15:51:45] | iamlindoro: | er older |
| [15:51:55] | hatchmt: | beauty |
| [15:52:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | hatchmt: ATI = Evil (IMHO!) ;-) |
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| [15:53:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anyone using the USB HVR-950, along with other tuners? Any issues? |
| [15:53:39] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, I'm not using one, but mkrufy speaks really highly of it and I trust his opinion-- He suggests the 950Q so that it's QAM capable IIRC |
| [15:53:43] | iamlindoro: | er mkrufky |
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| [15:54:14] | hatchmt: | J-e-f-f-A, agreed — the only reason I was using it was that I already had it (bought it in 2002 or something) |
| [15:54:25] | hatchmt: | video quality *always* sucked on it, though |
| [15:55:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I'll have to try to catch him next time I see him... Last time I tried it, the driver was 'experimental' and/or 'new', and broke all other tuners in the system... (yuck)... I'm hoping that's not the case now, and would like to free up a couple of PCI slots. ;-) |
| [15:56:07] | iamlindoro: | hatchmt, It's a bit late in the game to be buying analog tuners, though-- I would suggest the HVR-1600 or 1800. The 1600 is an analog tuner similar to the PVR-150, but can also tune ATSC/QAM Digital material. The HVR-1800 is an analog tuner and a second, digital tuner (so that you can record one of each at the same time) |
| [15:56:44] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, I'm pretty certain it's gone into the main v4l-dvb tree now, shouldn't need to check out a branch any more or anything. I would expect it'd be okay. #linuxtv may know more, too |
| [15:57:03] | ** J-e-f-f-A shall chedk #linuxtv... ;-) ** | |
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| [16:00:00] | hatchmt: | iamlindoro, I have an hdhomerun for my ATSC/QAM stuff, but I still get analog community cable through my HOA |
| [16:00:53] | ** J-e-f-f-A can hear crickets on #linuxtv ... ;-) ** | |
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| [16:01:25] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, they are sometimes slowwwww to respond. A much longer turnaround time in general than this channel |
| [16:01:32] | iamlindoro: | Just idle for a bit and see how it goes |
| [16:01:48] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky tends to check the channel logs from work, too, so he may pop in eventually |
| [16:01:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: That's ok. ;-) I've learned to be patient, and it's not a critical question anyways... ;-) |
| [16:05:24] | craftyguy: | has anyone had any issues with using XvMC on an nVidia 71** mGPU (using binary driver)? I patched configure file just to get mythtv to detect/build with libXvMCNVIDIA, however mythfrontend still reports 'XVMC is not enabled on display". Xv Motion Compensation is loading in Xorg.0.log |
| [16:06:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: Does it work with mplayer, etc? If not, you probably have to setup your xorg.conf file properly... |
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| [16:08:27] | craftyguy: | J-e-f-f-A: i'll take another look at it, same Xorg.conf file worked fine with an nvidia 6200 GPU on an intel motherboard.. |
| [16:08:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: If that 6200 used the 'legacy' nvidia driver, several of the xorg.conf options changed with the new driver. |
| [16:09:27] | craftyguy: | J-e-f-f-A: xvmc wasn't enabled in legacy? They both use current nvidia binary driver |
| [16:10:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: It was, but several of the xorg.conf options changed – when I upgraded from a 'legacy' card to a newer card, I had to edit the bleep out of my xorg.conf to get xvmc and/or the nvidia driver to work properly... |
| [16:11:58] | craftyguy: | J-e-f-f-A: The system with my 6200 has never used the legacy driver. for example it's running nvidia driver 173.08 right now |
| [16:12:48] | craftyguy: | both systems are running same driver version. I could have swore 'purevideo' was enabled on the nvidia 7150, especially since Xorg.0.log reports it is loaded fine |
| [16:13:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: I've got a 6200LE in this backend... I'm not sure if I setup XVMC on it though... let me test to see if xvmc works on it... ;-) |
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| [16:14:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee... can I even us XVMC if I'm full-screen on a 2nd monitor? (/me tries...) |
| [16:14:58] | monkeyBox: | Ok, I installed medibuntu ffmpeg and I'm still getting the error: "Unsupported coded (id=86020) for input stream #0.1" |
| [16:15:22] | craftyguy: | J-e-f-f-A: haha good question :P |
| [16:15:23] | keith4: | is there an ubuntu equivalent of "w32codecs"? |
| [16:15:50] | monkeyBox: | keith4, I believe there is... |
| [16:16:14] | craftyguy: | keith4: try searching apt for 'w32codecs'? |
| [16:16:16] | monkeyBox: | keith4, it's just called "w32codecs" |
| [16:17:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: Looks good – "VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture'" |
| [16:17:17] | keith4: | monkeyBox: is anything other than ffmpeg able to tell you what codec that is? |
| [16:17:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: Want me to pastebin my xorg.conf for you to look over? |
| [16:18:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: gee.. or is that just XV... (humm.) |
| [16:18:15] | craftyguy: | J-e-f-f-A: I get that string when using the a normal Xv-based decoder (like ffmpeg, etc) |
| [16:18:40] | craftyguy: | J-e-f-f-A: there will be a different one saying 'using xvmc-blit..' |
| [16:18:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: yeah, I just realized that... switching to use xvmc to see what happens... (don't need xvmc on this box, but I'll try it for you. ;-) ) |
| [16:18:53] | craftyguy: | the problem i have is mine says 'xvmc-blit not found' |
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| [16:19:18] | monkeyBox: | keith4, no idea, but I think I need to install more packages... |
| [16:19:39] | keith4: | mplayer should be able to get you that info, i think |
| [16:19:54] | keith4: | and you might want w32codecs, for mplayer use in general |
| [16:21:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: Ah, I don't have it setup on my system here: XvMCWrapper: Could not open config file "/etc/X11/XvMCConfig". <-- I have this setup on another frontend, but can't check it now for you... |
| [16:21:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: My other system with a 6200LE is a frontend-only, using XVMC... |
| [16:22:29] | craftyguy: | J-e-f-f-A: any way you could pastebin the vid card section of that xorg.conf ;) |
| [16:23:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | craftyguy: I don't have access to it at the moment (working), but can either pastebin it later, or if you /msg me your email, I'll send it to you when I can. |
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| [16:29:46] | craftyguy: | monkeyBox: not sure if you figured it out, but maybe that error is from the vid trying to use liba52, and ffmpeg wasnt built with support? |
| [16:29:46] | glimpser: | I get "cannot login to database", after manually installing mythtv |
| [16:30:58] | kormoc: | glimpser, perhaps you need to follow the database instructions? |
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| [16:33:16] | glimpser: | i have installed it before and always used the default settings. |
| [16:34:01] | kormoc: | Feel free to not follow the instructions... just it won't really work without following them... |
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| [16:47:39] | monkeyBox: | craftyguy, well, I'm using medibuntu's ffmpeg, so it should be supported |
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| [16:52:02] | mohamed_: | hello all , is possible to customize mythtv to work as mediacenter without TV issue and recording, ? |
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| [16:52:33] | monkeyBox: | upgraded w32codecs (medibuntu) and still getting: Unsupported codec (id=86020) for input stream #0.1 |
| [16:53:06] | GreyFoxx: | Moham: IT might be a bit of a waste without the TV stuff, but you can either just not use the TV functions, or edit the theme xml to hide the TV menu items |
| [16:53:10] | craftyguy: | monkeyBox: several searches reveal that is an issue with liba52 either not being installed, or ffmpeg not built with liba52 support (AC3) |
| [16:54:48] | mohamed_: | thanks GreyFoxx only there is no TV hardware and i will install it on mini-itx, for playing DVD, mp3 ...etc |
| [16:56:47] | monkeyBox: | craftyguy, ffmpeg is showing it was configured w/ liba52: --enable-liba52 |
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| [17:09:15] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Just reading the logs from 3 hours ago-- I want to know when you got the patience of a saint. re: Myth + USB webcams |
| [17:09:35] | iamlindoro: | justinh, I myself will be reocrding all security footage with Myth and all TV with Zoneminder from now on. ;) |
| [17:10:38] | craftyguy: | hmm, webcams on myth. how? |
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| [17:10:51] | iamlindoro: | No no no, we will not being going back to that |
| [17:11:05] | iamlindoro: | You can read the logs between 0700 and 0830 if you want any of that nonsense |
| [17:11:45] | craftyguy: | haha ok, sorry |
| [17:11:47] | iamlindoro: | My favorite part of the exchange was the last line, "BRB installing myth..." |
| [17:11:55] | iamlindoro: | and he was never heard from again... |
| [17:12:03] | craftyguy: | lol |
| [17:12:47] | craftyguy: | just curious, i know logs from this chan get posted to a server, but how frequently? |
| [17:12:55] | directhex: | instantly |
| [17:12:56] | GreyFoxx: | constantly |
| [17:12:59] | iamlindoro: | instantaneously |
| [17:13:02] | directhex: | it's how i knew it was safe to rejoin the channel |
| [17:13:05] | iamlindoro: | yay more words for the same thing |
| [17:13:13] | craftyguy: | yay |
| [17:13:36] | directhex: | why did monkeybox update w32codecs if his ffmpeg wasn't working? |
| [17:13:42] | directhex: | why do people seem obsessed with w32codecs? |
| [17:14:03] | iamlindoro: | because people download torrents that end in .WMV? |
| [17:15:06] | directhex: | i've heard of people hunting for windows codecs to play "divx" |
| [17:15:09] | directhex: | i mean, really |
| [17:15:15] | directhex: | why do so few people understand video files? |
| [17:15:16] | iamlindoro: | HotBoyzOnHotBoyz-WMV-lol-nlsubs.torrent? |
| [17:16:15] | iamlindoro: | directhex, I t just occurred to me that he probably misunderstood the ffmpeg output |
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| [17:17:05] | iamlindoro: | Bet he only think the track it was referring to was the AC3 codec... but probably wasn't |
| [17:17:08] | iamlindoro: | thinks |
| [17:17:41] | iamlindoro: | and if this were #ffmpeg I might have gotten off my ass and done something about it :) |
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| [17:18:33] | directhex: | to be fair, that WAS ac3 |
| [17:18:54] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Did he post ffmpeg output? didn't see it, just saw a reference to the stream # |
| [17:19:14] | iamlindoro: | Have been barely looking, so I'll take your word on it |
| [17:19:59] | directhex: | (id=86020) is definitely ac3 |
| [17:20:07] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok, must have missed that line |
| [17:20:16] | iamlindoro: | or just not paid much attention :) |
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| [17:38:16] | Belial: | hi there, I've just recived a tv tuner and installed and attempted to configure mythtv under mythbuntu, hwoever i cant get livetv to even show a glimmer of functionality, ive got some info here http://pastebin.ca/1034229 , im really clueless when it comes to tv tuners under linux, so dont even know where to start figuring the problem, any ideas? |
| [17:39:00] | directhex: | urgh, framegrabber |
| [17:39:12] | iamlindoro: | Belial, get a decent capture card is step one :) |
| [17:39:47] | Belial: | iamlindoro, so ive seen, but free is free, is it going to be worth the effort |
| [17:39:57] | directhex: | Belial, garbage in, garbage out |
| [17:40:04] | Andreaz: | grrr..also got 2 avermedia bttv-cards. :) |
| [17:40:09] | iamlindoro: | A framegrabber is seldom worth the effort-- That's about three discrete generations ago |
| [17:40:17] | iamlindoro: | same difference |
| [17:40:19] | directhex: | Andreaz, garbage in, garbage out |
| [17:40:51] | Andreaz: | Working nice so far... |
| [17:41:02] | directhex: | that's in the eye of the beholder |
| [17:41:07] | iamlindoro: | Belial, framegrabbers (your card) were supplanted by hardware encoding analog cards, which were supplanted by digital tuners, and now we have analog HD capture devices coming too |
| [17:41:07] | directhex: | some people like driving fiats |
| [17:41:12] | directhex: | takes all kinds to make a world |
| [17:41:19] | Andreaz: | ROFL |
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| [17:42:14] | iamlindoro: | watching a decent digital stream makes you want to go back in time and punch yourself in the face for ever using an analog capture card |
| [17:42:16] | Andreaz: | Just a dvb-t card. No hd or such, so... |
| [17:42:32] | Belial: | iamlindoro, the question should be, will i be able to get some kind of functionality from this setup, even if it isnt optimal, as a learning tool if anything else |
| [17:43:19] | directhex: | Belial, there are between eleventy and twelvety billion bt848 cards, each of which has tiny little nuances that may cause it not to work |
| [17:43:27] | iamlindoro: | Belial, you can probably make it work, no doubt about that, it's just that almost all of us have long since abandoned the cards, and support for them is not as great as it used to be in modern distros either |
| [17:43:29] | AndyCap: | what's in the box? |
| [17:43:31] | AndyCap: | Pain! |
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| [17:43:44] | directhex: | Belial, should it be possible to get it working? yeah, probably. but some cards you need to twat about with modprobe options and so on |
| [17:43:47] | ** iamlindoro is the Kwisatz Haderach ** | |
| [17:44:19] | ** iamlindoro must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. ** | |
| [17:45:14] | Belial: | Ah well, Thanks for the info, ill dig about, see what i cant get |
| [17:45:49] | iamlindoro: | i actually have a hardware encoder card that used to be plug and play in most distros but which is no longer so in the last few *bunti. |
| [17:45:59] | directhex: | AndyCap, using bt878 for digital is sick & wrong |
| [17:46:12] | directhex: | iirc the entire point of cx88 is that t878 just doesn't bloody work properly |
| [17:46:55] | AndyCap: | well, I had a cx88 card and send it back and got a dutch chip instead. |
| [17:47:02] | AndyCap: | but now I have a pcr-500 instead. :) |
| [17:47:23] | AndyCap: | and life is ok. if only I can get the stupid dish mounted for my skystar cards |
| [17:47:28] | directhex: | i have one of each – cx88 and saa7134 |
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| [17:47:48] | directhex: | i'll swap those out for something else when the time comes to get satellite |
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| [17:49:17] | directhex: | hm, i need to iron my shirt & suit |
| [17:49:28] | AndyCap: | Belial: btw. you could test the failgrabber card with tvtime or such. |
| [17:49:57] | Belial: | thanks AndyCap, will look into it |
| [17:50:09] | Andreaz: | failgrabber card – giggle... |
| [17:51:03] | ** iamlindoro kinda looks forward to messing around with new capture card types next week :) ** | |
| [17:51:37] | hatchmt: | iamlindoro, you say the HVR-1600 works now with some tweaking? |
| [17:51:39] | sphery: | Hmmm. Information Week or Information 2-Weeks-Late? http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/ . . . ID=208400648 |
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| [17:51:56] | iamlindoro: | hatchmt, relatively little, it's in the linuxtv tree now, both analog and digital |
| [17:52:10] | hatchmt: | cool |
| [17:52:15] | iamlindoro: | you will likely have to compile your own modules unless you have a painfully bleeding edge kernel |
| [17:52:20] | iamlindoro: | but it's pretty painless |
| [17:52:26] | hatchmt: | that doesn't frighten me |
| [17:52:47] | hatchmt: | I was just looking at the myth wiki and it doesn't say much good about the 1600 |
| [17:52:55] | hatchmt: | mainly "This doesn't work yet." |
| [17:53:00] | hatchmt: | so I just wanted to clarify |
| [17:53:06] | iamlindoro: | hatchmt, unfortunately wikis are only as good as the last person to update them |
| [17:53:11] | hatchmt: | indeed |
| [17:53:12] | iamlindoro: | check the history date on that article |
| [17:53:20] | hatchmt: | heh |
| [17:53:22] | hatchmt: | Dec. |
| [17:53:49] | iamlindoro: | Yeah... and even in December digital support had been added for that card |
| [17:53:56] | iamlindoro: | were still waiting on analog at that point, though |
| [17:54:57] | hatchmt: | cool |
| [17:55:03] | iamlindoro: | IIRC digital support for the HVR-1600 went in to kernel 2.6.24, and analog is either in the latest or in an upcoming kernel |
| [17:55:32] | iamlindoro: | Both are in Hg for sure, though |
| [17:58:14] | ** iamlindoro ponders creating the HD-PVR wiki page ** | |
| [17:58:36] | ** J-e-f-f-A thinks that's a good idea! ;-) ** | |
| [17:58:55] | iamlindoro: | Help to alleviate my work boredom :) |
| [17:59:24] | iamlindoro: | I'm hardly an expert in it, there are multitudes who have real technical experience with it, but I suppose a stub article is better than none at all |
| [17:59:37] | craftyguy: | word. |
| [17:59:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but someone who has a tracking number for one is much better qualified than most to create the page :) |
| [18:00:23] | iamlindoro: | sphery, hehe... I figure once it arrives and you-know-who has drivers out I can whip a howto together while I get it working |
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| [18:02:01] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, that's definitely the best time to do it. That way all the stupid little things that go wrong but are so little they're quickly forgotten can be documented, too. |
| [18:02:21] | iamlindoro: | indeed |
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| [18:08:31] | abqjp: | I have not had much luck getting the sample HD-PVR sample clips to play *well* on my system. |
| [18:08:56] | iamlindoro: | They require some beef for sure. the .21 internal player handles them, technically speaking, pretty well |
| [18:09:14] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: it would be great if *you* could post a sample after you get it, so I can make sure it is not something wrong with the early samples. |
| [18:09:31] | abqjp: | I have a 3.0GHz Core2 duo. |
| [18:09:44] | iamlindoro: | abqjp, Sure, I'd be happy to-- am hoping to have it working-ish Monday night, driver permitting of course |
| [18:09:52] | iamlindoro: | abqjp, Sounds like more than enough to me :) |
| [18:09:59] | sphery: | will be interesting to see if there's a MythTV 0.21.1 release shortly after the HD-PVR lands in people's hands or if it will just quietly slip into -fixes... |
| [18:13:00] | abqjp: | rumor was that the driver may be available as soon as Sunday. |
| [18:13:18] | abqjp: | Of course, Myth needs more than just a driver... |
| [18:13:22] | AndyCap: | rumour also hasi that elvis is alive |
| [18:13:43] | iamlindoro: | The former rumor is probably much closer to fact than the latter :) |
| [18:14:37] | iamlindoro: | abqjp, the driver's author hopes to have it out Sunday, but of course life sometime intervenes. the good news is the answer is "real soon now." :) |
| [18:15:22] | AndyCap: | life, don't talk to me about life. Here I am, brain the size of a planet. |
| [18:15:23] | abqjp: | Mine won't ship until Wednesday, anyway. |
| [18:15:40] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, Don't panic. |
| [18:15:59] | AndyCap: | I want larger, friendlier letters. |
| [18:16:43] | abqjp: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_hdpvr.html?tab=5 |
| [18:17:36] | abqjp: | I wonder if they really mean the *driver* will do the DD5.1 mux with the video? I would expect that to happen in firmware. |
| [18:18:33] | iamlindoro: | abqjp, Nope, will be in software. there's some info in the AVS forums on that IIRC |
| [18:19:09] | iamlindoro: | They're going to add timestamps to the AC3 audio and mux it in as-is w/o transcode. Nice news, that. |
| [18:19:50] | abqjp: | So, the timestamps are probably in the firmware, but the mux is done by the driver? |
| [18:20:04] | iamlindoro: | All conjecture at this point |
| [18:20:22] | iamlindoro: | Will have to wait a few weeks and see-- they seem to say it's a very near-future thing, anyway |
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| [18:21:54] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: when you used the internal player, did you just setup a .ts association or did you actually "import" it? In other words, did you have myth scan the keyframes? |
| [18:22:11] | iamlindoro: | Just used Mythvideo + internal Player |
| [18:22:40] | abqjp: | That is what I did. Unfortunately, for me, doing so causes mythfrontend to segfault after about 1.5 seconds. |
| [18:22:55] | abqjp: | I will have to rebuild with debugging enabled instead of optimization. |
| [18:23:38] | abqjp: | mplayer plays it okay, but all the audio comes out of the left speaker, and it is not quite as smooth as I think it should be. |
| [18:24:16] | iamlindoro: | In other news, jerk-holes who paid for overnight service got their HD-PVRs today. |
| [18:24:26] | iamlindoro: | I paid for two day and get it Monday, grrrr |
| [18:24:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: DOH! |
| [18:24:44] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so it's taking exactly as long as you requested? |
| [18:25:02] | abqjp: | Nope, it is take 4 days, can't you count? ;-) |
| [18:25:24] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Who said I was blaming anyone but myself? |
| [18:25:27] | ** kormoc likes rubbing salt in the wounds ** | |
| [18:26:03] | iamlindoro: | Suppose it would have been expecting to much to expect an upgrade to overnight for the delay :) |
| [18:26:06] | iamlindoro: | er too |
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| [18:26:37] | abqjp: | goin to lunch.... |
| [18:27:22] | kormoc: | abqjp, grab me an egg salad sandwich? kthxbye. |
| [18:28:34] | ** J-e-f-f-A just finished his chinese food ;-) ** | |
| [18:29:26] | kormoc: | Mmm.... MSG.... |
| [18:32:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | no msg at this one... I'd have a migraine.... |
| [18:32:49] | ** Penfold just ordered chinese. ** | |
| [18:33:03] | ** wagner just finishes chipotle ** | |
| [18:34:33] | ** otwin has to decide between spaghetti and pizza ** | |
| [18:34:35] | ** iamlindoro eats nails and shits thunder ** | |
| [18:35:26] | ** wagner will be shitting something unpleasant once the hotsauce filters through his system ** | |
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| [18:38:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: sounds painful! ;-) |
| [18:38:47] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, But oh-so-manly :) |
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| [18:41:04] | kormoc: | wagner, that's not hot sauce, this is a hot... powder? http://www.sweatnspice.com/429-13.htm |
| [18:47:45] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Just so I'm accurate in writing this article, it's Sky+ that has been disabling their component outs, yes? |
| [18:48:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I think somebody said that it's being disabled automatically by a flag in the signal... |
| [18:48:35] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Yes, just want to make sure I am accusing the right company :) |
| [18:49:07] | directhex: | iamlindoro, justinh said freesat has |
| [18:49:09] | kormoc: | should get everyone to call in and bitch about their tv's not working |
| [18:49:10] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok |
| [18:49:16] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
| [18:49:16] | directhex: | iamlindoro, and virgin do for some channels |
| [18:49:46] | wagner: | have enough people actually switched to digital that they can afford to kill the component outputs? |
| [18:49:58] | iamlindoro: | No, they're just fuckers |
| [18:49:58] | kormoc: | Evendently |
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| [18:56:18] | wagner: | well thats a new one... i just spit up blood |
| [18:56:39] | kormoc: | You might want to go seek professional help... outside of irc... |
| [18:56:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagner: unless you just had a V8, I'd go to the hospital... |
| [18:57:00] | wagner: | well ive got a nosebleed, but ive never before gagged on it and had it come back out |
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| [18:57:40] | directhex: | choking on your own blood == bad |
| [19:00:47] | justinh: | iamlindoro: saintly, moi? lol |
| [19:00:59] | justinh: | winding people up isn't always about being mr angry |
| [19:01:00] | iamlindoro: | justinh, It was an *awful* lot of patience shown |
| [19:01:26] | justinh: | yeah well what can I say? I'm a happy bunny today |
| [19:02:01] | justinh: | though I learned my lesson today buying shoes without trying them on. ffs. got to take them back tomorrow. size 7 my arse |
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| [19:08:03] | hadees: | is there a list somewhere of what cable boxes mythtv can tune via firewire? |
| [19:08:40] | keith4: | wiki? |
| [19:08:43] | iamlindoro: | hadees, Myth can use most SA and Moto boxes on the market in the US today. What really matters is whether your provider enables the output |
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| [19:09:42] | iamlindoro: | One of the firewire recorder source files has definitions for the ones it recognizes (although there's also a generic/unknown setting you can try for others that can work). It may be firewirerecorder.cpp or .h, but I'm not near my myth box |
| [19:09:44] | wagner: | well if youre in the US, you can request a box that supports it, and the cableco has to comply by law |
| [19:10:05] | iamlindoro: | wagner, By regulation, not by law. And they only have to give you local channels via firewire. And many just ignore that bit. |
| [19:10:15] | hadees: | iamlindoro, well if you remember i have been locked in a battle with my cable company trying to get it enabled |
| [19:10:21] | hadees: | they keep telling me it is |
| [19:10:27] | hadees: | but i never get anything |
| [19:10:35] | hadees: | so now they want me to switch boxes again |
| [19:10:44] | iamlindoro: | hadees, they are liaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahs (or you are not configuring it properly, I suppose) |
| [19:10:48] | justinh: | wanna have some fun? http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe . . . 22&meta= |
| [19:10:54] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, regulation is law ;P |
| [19:11:08] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, No. It's not. |
| [19:11:12] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i followed your directions and the one on the wiki |
| [19:11:26] | hadees: | so now i have been told to get the SA 4240 HDC |
| [19:11:30] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, it's non-criminal, but the court upholds it as if it was |
| [19:11:46] | hadees: | but i have heard mixed reports of it beng unable to tune properly |
| [19:11:55] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, the only thing they risk by disregarding the regulation is the loss of their franchise |
| [19:12:00] | hadees: | hence why i was looking for a list of supported boxes |
| [19:12:05] | iamlindoro: | And their pockets are wayyyy too deep for that to ever happen. |
| [19:12:20] | wagner: | justinh: youre suggesting we mess with fellow users? |
| [19:12:23] | iamlindoro: | hadees, check out the source, that's the way I checked it out last time-- a pretty wide array of boxes are supported, though |
| [19:12:25] | kormoc: | justinh, why, oh why set loose the dogs of irc? |
| [19:12:37] | AndyCap: | cry havoc! |
| [19:12:43] | iamlindoro: | hadees, mythtv-setup recognizes your box when you add it, right? |
| [19:12:57] | justinh: | law of averages. sooner or later somebody would find em |
| [19:13:00] | AndyCap: | now all that's missing is teh mythp2p plugin. :P |
| [19:13:00] | iamlindoro: | ie by name (SA 3250, etc.) |
| [19:13:25] | kormoc: | I'm gonna code in a way to disable open mythweb installs or something... ugh |
| [19:13:26] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i never even got that far, i currently have two 3250HD and none of the firewire tests works |
| [19:13:31] | wagner: | everyone listed seems to have horribly shitty internet |
| [19:13:35] | hadees: | but plugreport outputs the right into |
| [19:13:36] | hadees: | info |
| [19:14:03] | iamlindoro: | hadees, 3250's are supported for sure IIRC |
| [19:14:21] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i know they work, hence why i think it is their fault |
| [19:14:33] | AndyCap: | kormoc: nah. just make it self-disabl if googlebot visits it |
| [19:14:37] | iamlindoro: | Yar, think you're almost certainly right |
| [19:14:51] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i can never get a clear answer out of them, and i always get conflicting information |
| [19:15:00] | iamlindoro: | What, cable companies give a customer with a legit request the runaround?? What will they think of next? |
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| [19:15:01] | wagner: | or... just password lock it |
| [19:15:39] | AndyCap: | password: "Yes, I will read the documentation and not put open mythweb installations on the internet for everyone to see" |
| [19:15:44] | hadees: | iamlindoro, but i'm out of ideas, i can't argue with them anymore about this, so i figure might as well try getting another box |
| [19:16:39] | wagner: | hell, my (virtual) machine running mythweb isnt even routed to the internet |
| [19:16:43] | hadees: | unless anyone has a better idea to get them to enable a box i know works |
| [19:16:50] | wagner: | its gets proxied through another machine |
| [19:17:11] | iamlindoro: | hadees, Can't hurt. At the headend side there would be default policies for each device type, so there's always a chance the engineer who set up the policies for the other box enabled firewire. Still, the programs themselves have to be non-5C. That may very well be the root issue here. |
| [19:17:39] | iamlindoro: | firewire might be enabled, but if they 5C all programs... well, you're outta luck |
| [19:18:11] | wagner: | iamlindoro: so youre not going to get anything that you wouldnt get from a QAM cat anyway? |
| [19:18:14] | hadees: | iamlindoro, firewire_tester always fails |
| [19:18:20] | wagner: | *card |
| [19:18:21] | hadees: | so how do i know what channel it is looking for? |
| [19:18:40] | iamlindoro: | hadees, firewire_tester uses whatever channel you have tuned on the box |
| [19:18:58] | wagner: | so whats the point of having firewire, if nothing can use it anyway? |
| [19:19:00] | iamlindoro: | it actually doesn't deal with channel at all, but whether the channel is 5C can cause it to fail |
| [19:19:05] | hadees: | iamlindoro, is there a way to test out tunning then? |
| [19:19:24] | hadees: | iamlindoro, if i can change the channel then it should be enabled right? |
| [19:19:24] | iamlindoro: | wagner, I get 70ish via QAM, and everything via firewire |
| [19:19:27] | wagner: | why even bother developing the technology if nothing can use it |
| [19:19:41] | hadees: | wagner, $$$ |
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| [19:19:54] | iamlindoro: | 5C = firewire encryption. Encrypted QAM channels are another mechanism entirely |
| [19:20:01] | hadees: | wagner, they are required to do it, they didn't want to |
| [19:20:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagner: TVs were supposed to have Firewire inputs, before HDMI came on the scene... |
| [19:20:18] | hadees: | iamlindoro, is 5C an actual encryption or just a flag that says you can't watch this |
| [19:20:23] | iamlindoro: | The latter |
| [19:21:11] | hadees: | does MythTV look for that flag or is that done in the firewire driver or something |
| [19:21:11] | iamlindoro: | There are various settings on it, ie copy-none (no watchy for you), copy once (works fine for myth purposes), copy-free (totally open, etc.) |
| [19:21:31] | iamlindoro: | It's on the STB side. If it's set copy-none, then nothing ever comes out of the firewire port. |
| [19:22:00] | iamlindoro: | myth just uses the raw1394 device to dump the data into a file, if said data is actually streaming |
| [19:22:01] | hadees: | iamlindoro, oh i thought it was something MythTV had to honor |
| [19:22:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Aren't there two seperate things — 5C is encryption, plus the 'number of copies' flag? |
| [19:22:20] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, In the strictest sense, 5C isn't an encryption at all |
| [19:22:49] | hadees: | its pretty much the broadcast flag |
| [19:22:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: really? Wow. /me wonders why it hasn't been 'broken' yet then... |
| [19:22:58] | iamlindoro: | Most cable systems use something based on Motorola Digicipher II for the actual encryption (ie what prevents us from getting the good stuff via QAM) whereas the 5C is a flag that prevents operation of the firewire outs |
| [19:23:11] | iamlindoro: | hadees, Yeah, pretty much |
| [19:23:21] | wagner: | j-e-f-f-a: breaking it would require hacking the cable box |
| [19:23:45] | iamlindoro: | wagner, Only breaking 5C... The actual encryption could thearetically be banged on w/ a QAM card |
| [19:23:49] | AndyCap: | 5C has no encryption option like HDCP over HDMI? |
| [19:24:01] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, Nope |
| [19:24:16] | ** AndyCap wonders how the firewire tv's would work then ** | |
| [19:24:24] | directhex: | firewho? |
| [19:24:30] | hadees: | Do you think mythtv will eventually get screwed over by cable cards? since it isn't closed source |
| [19:24:41] | AndyCap: | hadees: not more than now. .) |
| [19:24:42] | iamlindoro: | hadees, Aren't we already screwed over by cablecard? |
| [19:24:55] | hadees: | well as they become more popular |
| [19:25:03] | wagner: | whoops, 81.107.58.236 isnt running their backend |
| [19:25:13] | AndyCap: | hadees: the cable companies see to that they wont |
| [19:25:36] | famicom: | hummm |
| [19:25:39] | hadees: | AndyCap, you think they really want to keep you using boxes? |
| [19:25:54] | famicom: | anyone here know why HDTV can crash mythtv |
| [19:25:56] | hadees: | I don't see it being either way |
| [19:26:01] | wagner: | i cant imagine they ever make money on those boxes |
| [19:26:04] | famicom: | is this related to lack of processing power or something else |
| [19:26:07] | AndyCap: | hadees: no, they want to keep getting revenue with the least expenditure |
| [19:26:15] | famicom: | settop boxes are about controll |
| [19:26:15] | ** J-e-f-f-A is confused... according to Wikipedia, 5C includes encryption: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Transmis . . . t_Protection ** | |
| [19:26:20] | famicom: | not about profit |
| [19:26:25] | hadees: | AndyCap, so why wouldn't they want cable cards? they don't have to have boxes |
| [19:26:47] | wagner: | if you have a cablecard, you cant purchase their premium or on-demand content |
| [19:27:03] | hadees: | wagner, i thought that was going to be in the format |
| [19:27:05] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, As I recall it (been a while since I worked with it) the encryption is on the authentication between the two devices, not the stream itself |
| [19:27:22] | AndyCap: | hadees: and there's more variables which leads to expensive support calls and very expensicve truckroll |
| [19:27:44] | hadees: | iamlindoro, wait so in theory could you trick a cable box into letting you have things protected by 5C? |
| [19:28:21] | iamlindoro: | hadees, Our problems come when it's set to "copy-none" which no hack/emulation in the world will help with |
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| [19:28:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Verizon FiOS has been advertising their multi-room DVR solution out here... Sounds similar to Myth... |
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| [19:29:02] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: Well, I'd imagine that if you had a proper handshake (with encryption) the box would let you have the data. |
| [19:29:06] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, heard a bit about that. Would like to get FIOS since they have the highest-bitrate HD material, but am happy with Myth too :) |
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| [19:29:17] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, i doubt Verizon FiOS has the MythTV secret ingredient |
| [19:29:18] | hadees: | love |
| [19:29:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: hehe! ;-) That was good. ;-) |
| [19:29:43] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, there are some youtube videos out there of a japanese fellow hacking 5C as I recall |
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| [19:30:14] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, they're oldish, though. I hear that 5C complaint devices are a lot more common in Japan, and have never heard of any sort of publicly available hack out there |
| [19:30:40] | AndyCap: | so copy-none means keep away the riff-raff without DTCP support and valid keys |
| [19:30:43] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, I must confess to not knowing for sure about how it would work when the STB has a program as copy-none. |
| [19:30:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm shocked it hasn't been hacked – it's about 10 years old after all... |
| [19:31:14] | iamlindoro: | I have only worked on the headend side of things (and a tiny headend at that) so I only know about the flags and not the real-world results of them |
| [19:31:31] | AndyCap: | well, the wikipedia article had a chinese paper linked to it |
| [19:31:45] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, see my comment above-- there are some youtube videos of a .jp guy hacking the handshake and making it work, but they're a few years old and have never seen any real hack in the wild |
| [19:31:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: Gee, would be nice to develop a mythtv 'interface' to a FiOS network PVR box... ;-) |
| [19:32:25] | iamlindoro: | lemme see if I can dig that video up |
| [19:32:52] | AndyCap: | meh. iptv has the advantage of modern encryption being available and being a new frontier so one can invent "standards" |
| [19:32:55] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzQ0AL5Bkxc&hl=en |
| [19:32:58] | iamlindoro: | Thar we go |
| [19:33:09] | iamlindoro: | no that's not the one |
| [19:33:11] | iamlindoro: | darn it |
| [19:33:44] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, saw it out there a while back, was dated maybe 2005ish? |
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| [19:36:22] | iamlindoro: | As I understand it there are no 5C compliant PC solutions in windows or any other OS, so my guess is that it's a similar situation to cablecard (ie have to sign on to tons of liability to get the necessary information, prepare to be sued into the stone age) |
| [19:36:45] | iamlindoro: | and probably a similar outlook-- could it be hacked? Probably. Will it be in any sort of practical way? Probably not. |
| [19:37:00] | AndyCap: | looked like the japanese guy had two boxes talking dtcp |
| [19:37:22] | AndyCap: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/08/27/meet-the . . . abs-dtcp-ip/ |
| [19:37:29] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, yeah, that's not the video I had in mind, that one was fictional per the info |
| [19:38:04] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, hee hee, AACS :) |
| [19:38:08] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: but the DTCP wasn't fiction, just the crack? |
| [19:38:17] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, right |
| [19:38:27] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: well, and WEP was going to be wired equivalent. :) |
| [19:38:37] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [19:38:57] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, I've learned never to say never, I'm just excited about my HD-PVR :) |
| [19:40:00] | AndyCap: | Uhh, is this true? # |
| [19:40:00] | AndyCap: | DVI with HDCP. This is defeating the purpose of DVI, as the limit of Firewire is 480p. |
| [19:40:07] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [19:40:19] | iamlindoro: | someone has DV confused with raw firewire output |
| [19:40:32] | AndyCap: | firewire should be able to carry a nice HD transport stream right |
| [19:40:40] | iamlindoro: | DV's max is 480p, firewire for myth purposes is just a raw data dump of the stream |
| [19:40:46] | PatrickDK: | hd is 20mbit, dv is 400 to 800mbit |
| [19:40:46] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [19:40:57] | PatrickDK: | dv/firewire damn |
| [19:41:03] | PatrickDK: | you keep using dv, got me stuck on it now too |
| [19:41:06] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [19:41:16] | iamlindoro: | exactly the quoted guy's problem :) |
| [19:41:57] | PatrickDK: | firewire = 400 or 800mbit |
| [19:42:05] | PatrickDK: | dv = I dunno and don't care |
| [19:42:07] | AndyCap: | Oooh: Personal Video Recorders: Cannot store material marked as “Copy Never” for more than 90 minutes after receipt. |
| [19:42:10] | hadees: | anyone had any luck streaming HD over wifi? Specifically N because that is the only one in theory fast enough to handle it |
| [19:42:11] | PatrickDK: | hd = 19.5mbit |
| [19:42:29] | iamlindoro: | hadees, I've had it working over n before, yeah |
| [19:42:38] | PatrickDK: | hadees, 802.11g can handle it (if you have perfect 54mbit connection, and nothing else is using it at all) |
| [19:42:43] | iamlindoro: | I try to avoid it since you just never know with wireless, but I've done it |
| [19:42:59] | hadees: | iamlindoro, how did you do it? i had it up and running but still got stuttering |
| [19:43:19] | iamlindoro: | hadees, didn't so anything special, so not sure |
| [19:43:27] | PatrickDK: | you will always have stuttering, unless you have a large enough buffer on the receiving end |
| [19:43:30] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I had a particularly good signal? |
| [19:43:32] | AndyCap: | hadees: you can always count on the neighbour to turn on the microwave right before the field goal, or Jaws appears or wotnot |
| [19:43:34] | hadees: | i think that might be an issue with nidswrapper |
| [19:43:38] | PatrickDK: | or you have an excelent connection with no one around you interferring |
| [19:43:45] | PatrickDK: | heh, nidswrapper = horrid |
| [19:44:00] | hadees: | PatrickDK, it was the only option for the N card |
| [19:44:15] | PatrickDK: | I personally use ap's |
| [19:44:19] | PatrickDK: | and stay away from cards |
| [19:44:35] | PatrickDK: | computer -> network wire -> ap -> ap -> network wire -> computer |
| [19:44:45] | hadees: | PatrickDK, yeah i guess, the problem is i live in a town house and the mythbackend is upstairs and the main frontend is downstairs, so right now i have a ghetto cable running from the two rooms |
| [19:44:45] | PatrickDK: | is the only sane, reliable way, I have found |
| [19:45:12] | hadees: | PatrickDK, i don't think they make N bridges |
| [19:45:18] | hadees: | at least not easy to find |
| [19:45:30] | PatrickDK: | you don't need a bridge, just one that can do client mode atleast |
| [19:45:44] | hadees: | hell at Best Buy they didn't even know what i was talking about the last time i tried to buy one |
| [19:45:51] | PatrickDK: | I know dd-wrt can do it on N hardware, but I dunno how much of the N stuff you loose by using dd-wrt |
| [19:45:59] | PatrickDK: | what N do you have? |
| [19:46:02] | PatrickDK: | 150? 300? 600? |
| [19:46:07] | PatrickDK: | cause there is a BIG difference |
| [19:46:08] | AndyCap: | hadees: Best Buy <---- your problem |
| [19:46:20] | hadees: | AndyCap, lol just one of the places i looked |
| [19:46:27] | PatrickDK: | the point of N is to have multible channels going at once |
| [19:46:44] | PatrickDK: | with 150 and 300, you are stuck with 1 or 2 channels in the 2.4ghz range |
| [19:46:46] | hadees: | PatrickDK, i don't recall off hand, it was a linksys card, i tried it a while ago and gave up |
| [19:47:00] | PatrickDK: | but with 600, you get the 5ghz also (that is interference free basically still) |
| [19:47:27] | PatrickDK: | but that means you will have to use 802.11a or 802.11n (600mhz models) to take adavtage of that |
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| [19:49:33] | AndyCap: | 40Mhz channels? HAhah.. how big do people think the band is? |
| [19:49:51] | PatrickDK: | ya :) |
| [19:49:53] | AndyCap: | this is going to be great in apartment buildings. |
| [19:50:07] | PatrickDK: | why I believe in moving to 5ghz as soon as possible |
| [19:50:13] | AndyCap: | and I thought the Super-G mode was anti-social enough. |
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| [19:50:26] | PatrickDK: | oh N is suppost to be social :) |
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| [19:50:37] | AndyCap: | Can't wait for broadscum and atheros to implement Super-Duper-N |
| [19:50:37] | PatrickDK: | it's suppost to auto-change to a empty freq |
| [19:50:44] | PatrickDK: | but with only 2 channels now, well :) |
| [19:51:07] | wagner: | well effectively, 802.11b/g only had 3 channels |
| [19:51:11] | PatrickDK: | or is that 1.5channels |
| [19:51:16] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, And call it something dumb like meemo? |
| [19:51:19] | wagner: | sure there were 11, or 14 depending on where you are |
| [19:51:24] | PatrickDK: | wagner, it had like 3.2 channels, but hard to use that .2 |
| [19:51:31] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: rofl. :) |
| [19:51:32] | wagner: | but you could only use 1, 6, and 11 without overlapping |
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| [19:53:09] | PatrickDK: | I just love how manufacturers are mostly using channel 6 as the default |
| [19:53:21] | PatrickDK: | there is a pile up of 40+ ap's on channel 6 |
| [19:53:21] | wagner: | our internet at work is horribly pathetic |
| [19:53:25] | PatrickDK: | 2 on 11, and 1 on 1 |
| [19:53:36] | wagner: | about every 10 minutes, i have to reconnect to VNC |
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| [19:54:11] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: well, and I'm sure at least 5 are set to mee-mee-mee-mode as well |
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| [19:54:26] | craftyguy: | Should I be getting errors like this on the mythbackend.log when I attempt to watch LiveTV: Preview Error: Previewer file '/media/recordings/1070_20080530102522.mpg' is not valid. Preview Error: Run() file not local: '/media/recordings/1070_20080530102522.mpg' Preview Error: Preview process not ok.fileinfo(/media/recordings/1070_20080530102522.mpg.png) exists: 0 readable: 0 size: 0 |
| [19:54:35] | wagner: | PatrickDK: theres someone on my street set to channel 4 |
| [19:54:45] | wagner: | ive been meaning to figure out who it is and beat them |
| [19:55:06] | justinh: | heh. how dare anybody else have wireless & spoil your connection! |
| [19:55:22] | AndyCap: | what was the name of broadscum's tech again. Atheros had Super-G, Intersil Nitro |
| [19:55:34] | justinh: | is the penny starting to drop about wireless not being anything like it's cracked up to be? |
| [19:55:39] | wagner: | speedbooster |
| [19:55:48] | AndyCap: | ah. Afterburner! |
| [19:55:55] | justinh: | MOARSPEEDZ! |
| [19:56:05] | justinh: | TURBO-N ! |
| [19:56:58] | wagner: | well some of them actually used more bandwidth, others just spat data out as fast as they could, rather than waited for an ACK |
| [19:57:12] | wagner: | so some were nicer and only flooded their own frequencies |
| [19:57:24] | AndyCap: | not sure who' |
| [19:57:25] | PatrickDK: | heh? afterburner/speedbooster used compression |
| [19:58:07] | AndyCap: | not sure who is worse, spamming your own channel continously or sort of behaving but sucking up the whole spectrum |
| [19:58:30] | justinh: | if you need 24/7 reliability, wire it |
| [19:58:33] | PatrickDK: | it's DSSS so they should overlap just fine :) |
| [19:58:36] | wagner: | ZyXEL, Belkin, Buffalo, and Linksys spammed their channel and used compression |
| [19:58:44] | PatrickDK: | if only they actually fully implemented full DSSS |
| [19:58:49] | justinh: | if you want convenience with added shittyness, go wireless :) |
| [19:59:37] | wagner: | atheros used that method... AND used the full spectrum for good measure |
| [19:59:43] | justinh: | cynical, moi? ;) |
| [20:00:15] | craftyguy: | Should I be getting errors like this on the mythbackend.log when I attempt to watch LiveTV: Preview Error: Previewer file '/media/recordings/1070_20080530102522.mpg' is not valid. Preview Error: Run() file not local: '/media/recordings/1070_20080530102522.mpg' Preview Error: Preview process not ok.fileinfo(/media/recordings/1070_20080530102522.mpg.png) exists: 0 readable: 0 size: 0 |
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| [20:00:47] | AndyCap: | Does he have weapons of mass distraction? ""We don't hurt legacy systems," says Jim Zyren, the company's director of strategic marketing." |
| [20:00:57] | wagner: | craftyguy: sounds like your tuner card isnt set up properly |
| [20:00:57] | justinh: | craftyguy: assuming all is well, you shouldn't have any errors |
| [20:01:09] | wagner: | can you pull video off of it outside of mythtv? |
| [20:01:22] | wagner: | like from catting the dev node, or opening it in mplayer? |
| [20:01:33] | justinh: | is the frontend on the same box as the backend? and if not, are the hostnames the same? :P |
| [20:01:44] | craftyguy: | wagner, i haven't tried (not sure how without a channels.conf?) |
| [20:02:53] | wagner: | is your card digital? or an mpeg encoder? |
| [20:03:02] | justinh: | state some facts... :) |
| [20:03:15] | justinh: | more facts help people help you |
| [20:03:58] | craftyguy: | i noticed i was getting those errors in the backend log after yesterday. i changed to livetv and playback was very choppy. i saw the frontend had a bunch of 'mpeg2video' and 'NVP buffering' errors, and then the previewer file errors on the backend. frontend and backend on same device. using a dvico fusion5 lite (digital) |
| [20:04:22] | craftyguy: | ive never had any of those issues in the 2 years ive been running the same setup.. |
| [20:04:34] | iamlindoro: | the mpeg2video errors are mpeg stream errors |
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| [20:04:48] | iamlindoro: | I suppose if the first chunk of the file had major corruption you might get the previewere error |
| [20:04:53] | iamlindoro: | er previewer |
| [20:05:32] | iamlindoro: | go shoo the birds off your antenna |
| [20:05:39] | AndyCap: | craftyguy: stupid question. but your disks are doing allright? |
| [20:05:40] | craftyguy: | iamlindoro, mpeg stream errors? like a bad cable signal from cable company, or bad card, or both? |
| [20:05:48] | wagner: | yeah, probably just poor signal |
| [20:05:51] | iamlindoro: | like bad signal from the company or poor signal strength |
| [20:06:20] | craftyguy: | AndyCap, yes. raid1 with mdraid, hdparm reports healthy 90mb/s transfer (and DMA) |
| [20:06:26] | craftyguy: | 1st thing i checked ;) |
| [20:06:36] | wagner: | if it only started recently, has someone put up some new piece of construction in the area to block the signal? |
| [20:06:48] | craftyguy: | have yall ever heard of this issue just suddenly presenting itself like this? |
| [20:07:14] | craftyguy: | wagner, possibly. i live in an apartment, so no telling what my crazy neighbors are messing with |
| [20:07:42] | craftyguy: | is there a way to use dvbtraffic (or another dvb-app) to measure signal strength? |
| [20:07:45] | iamlindoro: | Is it cable or antenna? Never can tell what the cable co will do |
| [20:07:57] | craftyguy: | it's cable (comcurst) |
| [20:08:02] | iamlindoro: | I think alt-f6 in myth while playing Tv will give you signal strength |
| [20:08:08] | iamlindoro: | although those vary from driver to driver |
| [20:08:13] | iamlindoro: | so they're essentially meaningless |
| [20:08:31] | wagner: | well if its digital cable, signal strength *shouldnt* be an issue |
| [20:08:38] | craftyguy: | ive got another mythtv box i can throw the cable card in to see if it's trully either 1)cable's fault, or 2) faulty card |
| [20:08:55] | wagner: | unless someone has decided they need to split it half a dozen times |
| [20:08:55] | AndyCap: | Haha, just pictured your cable network looking something like this. http://i.fosfor.se/i06/060811_4.jpg |
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| [20:09:03] | craftyguy: | wagner, exactly, i thought with digital cable, it either worked, or it didnt work.. |
| [20:09:13] | iamlindoro: | craftyguy, nope |
| [20:09:15] | iamlindoro: | not so |
| [20:09:22] | AndyCap: | craftyguy: there's a gray area where it almost works. :) |
| [20:09:33] | craftyguy: | haha, so now i know ;) |
| [20:09:38] | wagner: | its just like broadcast digital |
| [20:09:48] | clever: | AndyCap: even my basement network doesnt look like that |
| [20:09:52] | craftyguy: | well i'm really hoping it's an issue with the cable then, and not my mythtv setup :) |
| [20:09:54] | iamlindoro: | digital uses FEC so that it can recover up to a certain SNR, but when it goes past that, pffft, dropouts begin |
| [20:09:55] | wagner: | if the signal isnt quite enough, youll get all sorts of mpeg artifacts |
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| [20:10:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: Hey, how'd you get a picture of my prior employer's data closet? |
| [20:10:13] | AndyCap: | it's usually very noticable when digital fails though. :) |
| [20:10:13] | craftyguy: | AndyCap, that's scary. needless to say, i've seen a few of those around my workplace.. |
| [20:10:31] | AndyCap: | too bad richard steenbergen's gallery is down |
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| [20:10:51] | wagner: | our cluster at work looks a bit like that |
| [20:11:12] | iamlindoro: | I particularly enjoy when people rack non-rackmount gear and it looks all kablooie |
| [20:11:26] | AndyCap: | oh teh fail! http://users.tellurian.com/vabello/bathroom-demarc.jpg |
| [20:11:44] | craftyguy: | a new question (and possibly related to bad cable signal??), dvbscan never reports a 'connect', only 'failed tuning' (as expected) and a few 'pid timeout' messages. |
| [20:13:16] | wagner: | i really should buy a couple thousand cable ties and spend a week cleaning it up |
| [20:14:08] | AndyCap: | eww. cable ties bad. |
| [20:14:38] | iamlindoro: | I like the velcro jobbies |
| [20:14:45] | AndyCap: | sharp ends, kinks the cable. hell when you have to change something around |
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| [20:17:59] | iamlindoro: | That's enough wiki for one day |
| [20:18:12] | craftyguy: | thank yall for the help |
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| [20:35:56] | sphery: | s/b c |
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| [20:38:17] | wagner: | iamlindoro: yeah, our 'racks' are desktop form-factor computers on aluminum shelving |
| [20:38:36] | iamlindoro: | wagner, yeah, can see how that would be tough to cable manage |
| [20:39:32] | wagner: | 11 per row, 6 rows per shelf |
| [20:39:53] | wagner: | so 132 cables per shelf, plus power and uplink four three switches |
| [20:40:00] | wagner: | big fat power cables |
| [20:40:29] | wagner: | i could probably set up cable runs along the edges of the shelves |
| [20:40:57] | wagner: | but theres still a lot of excess cable with nowhere to put it |
| [20:42:35] | Dagmar: | Okay. |
| [20:42:45] | Dagmar: | I've got five hours to figure out WTF happened to make Myth break |
| [20:43:04] | Dagmar: | Crap no make that four |
| [20:43:47] | wagner: | why only four? |
| [20:44:47] | wagner: | more specifically, why are you on a limit? |
| [20:44:48] | Dagmar: | Sara Jane Adventues. :) |
| [20:45:04] | Dagmar: | Because there has been a regression in the way Myth inits the pvr-500 |
| [20:45:52] | Dagmar: | So every so often I get what looks like half a frame of video, entirely in the wrong place on the screen. |
| [20:47:14] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Hope you aren't expecting much from SJA, because it is truly awful |
| [20:47:16] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [20:47:24] | Dagmar: | I'm going to try one more shot at release-0.21-fixes and then I'm rolling back to a month ago |
| [20:47:35] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: I'm recording it mainly for posterity |
| [20:47:42] | Dagmar: | ..and it's supposed to be a kids' show |
| [20:47:55] | iamlindoro: | Only show it to children you dislike ;) |
| [20:48:00] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [20:48:12] | Dagmar: | Well, Battlestar Galactica comes on an hour or two after that |
| [20:48:16] | wagner: | like the bastard children next door |
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| [20:49:18] | iamlindoro: | BSG, now that *is* important |
| [20:49:41] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [20:50:36] | Dagmar: | Hmm... Actually, lemme turn VBI off |
| [20:50:44] | Dagmar: | That's the sole change I've made to the configuration |
| [20:50:49] | Dagmar: | I'll bet that's effing it up |
| [20:51:03] | Dagmar: | CC is fun and all, but I can head. |
| [20:51:06] | Dagmar: | s/head/hear/l; |
| [20:51:17] | Dagmar: | I jsut thought it would be nice to have CC information in the recordings. |
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| [20:53:50] | sphery: | I love CC for picking up the dialog during poorly-mixed areas of the audio or when actors mumble or whatever. |
| [20:54:28] | sphery: | I tend to watch with it, anymore, because it happens often enough it's not worth noticing it, turning on CC, then skipping back. |
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| [21:04:39] | Dagmar: | No such luck. |
| [21:04:46] | Dagmar: | Turning that off didn't change it's behaviour |
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| [21:06:44] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, No changes in video renderer or deinterlacer lately? |
| [21:07:20] | iamlindoro: | Curious, does the video error show up when played in other applications/on other systems? |
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| [21:21:28] | Dagmar: | OKay |
| [21:21:29] | Dagmar: | What the hell |
| [21:21:53] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Poking around in the thing I am finding that recordings I'm making with this new SVN *do not work* with Windows Media Player |
| [21:22:05] | Dagmar: | VLC will play them, WMP won't. |
| [21:22:33] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Doesn't WMP not include a MPEG-2 codec by default, though? |
| [21:22:36] | Dagmar: | ...and actually, I've been trying to get a good sample of it screwing up to demonstrate |
| [21:22:44] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Huh? It does |
| [21:22:48] | Dagmar: | It's always played normal MPG files |
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| [21:23:58] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Maybe if you install various shady codec packs, but I'm 99.99% certain that default WMP won't play MPEG-2 and they want you to buy their "DVD Decoder" |
| [21:24:10] | Dagmar: | It's always worked on my machine |
| [21:24:14] | iamlindoro: | ref: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316992 |
| [21:24:22] | Dagmar: | I actually *don't* install "shady decoder packs" |
| [21:24:33] | Dagmar: | So any support WMP has gotten has to have been something it downloaded |
| [21:24:38] | Dagmar: | Regardless... |
| [21:25:07] | Dagmar: | Here's a file just pulled from the thing... a few moments of recorded video |
| [21:25:15] | Dagmar: | http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/boned.mpg |
| [21:25:40] | iamlindoro: | plays ok here |
| [21:25:50] | Dagmar: | I really doubt that |
| [21:26:12] | iamlindoro: | hang on, may not have waited long enough |
| [21:26:15] | Dagmar: | About three seconds in it should show the corruption |
| [21:26:30] | Dagmar: | Literally looks like a bunch of scan lines get dropped and replaced with green |
| [21:26:56] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, just ran up against the end of the buffer |
| [21:27:06] | Dagmar: | huh? |
| [21:27:09] | iamlindoro: | too slow for me to d/l, am only getting 2 Kb from your server |
| [21:27:16] | Dagmar: | Well, it's a cablemodem |
| [21:27:34] | iamlindoro: | anyway, am sure you have a problem but I'm not going to wait around an hour for it to d/l |
| [21:27:35] | Dagmar: | 24Kb up is about as fast as it goers |
| [21:27:51] | kormoc: | my lardy that's slow |
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| [21:28:34] | Dagmar: | Recordings made 5/21 and before play fine |
| [21:28:45] | Dagmar: | 5/26 and after dont |
| [21:28:54] | kormoc: | and inbetween? |
| [21:29:15] | Dagmar: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18257765 2008-05–22 16:31 mythtv-svn17388-i686–1mythtv.tgz |
| [21:29:30] | Dagmar: | ...which means I'm rolling back to -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18254572 2008-04–21 18:37 mythtv-svn17071-i686–2mythtv.tgz |
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| [21:29:48] | Dagmar: | in between I didn't record anything, or even *do* anything much with the box |
| [21:31:42] | Dagmar: | I'm sure I'll have to purge and redo the database (making backups) |
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| [21:36:21] | kormoc: | Dagmar, VLC is rebuilding some brokenness, that's why it attempts to play it |
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| [21:40:01] | Dagmar: | Not "attempts". It *does* in this case. |
| [21:40:11] | Dagmar: | Looks like MythTV after 17071 started emitting broken files |
| [21:41:03] | kormoc: | Dagmar, it's playing as you described for me in VLC and mplayer |
| [21:41:15] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I've no doubt the file is mangled |
| [21:41:38] | kormoc: | so it's not really fixing it too well :P |
| [21:41:41] | iamlindoro: | Weird for sure. Wonder if maybe your card is going out? |
| [21:41:43] | Dagmar: | I just reinstalled 17071 and am waiting on mythfilledatabase to do it's thing |
| [21:41:59] | iamlindoro: | smacks of tuner starting to choke to me |
| [21:42:02] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: If it did, it picked a weird time to do it. Like, exactly at the same time I did an upgrade |
| [21:42:10] | iamlindoro: | Guess we'll find out shortly :) |
| [21:42:34] | Dagmar: | Cuz I was watching TV for a bit, did the upgrade, and then things started going weird |
| [21:42:51] | iamlindoro: | As it's not as though myth does anything with the card, since it leverages ivtv... and if you didn't change that, then... |
| [21:43:02] | Dagmar: | ...which is why I started upgrading the kernel and everything else in a rush |
| [21:44:58] | Dagmar: | whoosp got the wrong freq table |
| [21:46:47] | _gunni_: | Is someone her from germany with dvb-t having problems with epg from RTL group since some days ? |
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| [21:52:01] | Dagmar: | Well, playback completely stabilized with 17071 |
| [21:52:43] | Dagmar: | Still trying to see if the recording being "incomplete" is the reason the files still won't play in WMP |
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| [22:03:22] | Dagmar: | Okay. Fun |
| [22:03:30] | Andreax825: | _gunni_: Got EIT Data until 06.06. from rtl here on dvb-t. |
| [22:03:35] | Dagmar: | After the lossess transcode, WMP has no problem with the files |
| [22:03:57] | Dagmar: | ...but at least reverting to 17071 got rid of the glitched playback |
| [22:07:21] | Dagmar: | So... SOMETHING in the way Myth talks to the ivtv card got changed between 17071 and now |
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| [22:29:55] | Dagmar: | Nope scratch that |
| [22:30:04] | Dagmar: | Ordering a new damn pvr-500 from mwave |
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| [22:33:42] | positron_: | Hello! I would like to know how to see the initial screen of mythtv the one that has the options, when I start mythtv it goes directly to a channel |
| [22:33:59] | Dagmar: | What "options" |
| [22:34:00] | iamlindoro_: | by starting "mythfrontend" instead of "mythtv" |
| [22:34:08] | positron_: | Ahh |
| [22:34:12] | positron_: | Thanks, iamlindoro_ |
| [22:34:16] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
| [22:34:22] | Dagmar: | Heck, I didnt even know there was a mythtv binary |
| [22:34:51] | positron_: | By the way, sometimes my image stops I think it's buffering, is there a way to not buffer or to make the image not stop? |
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| [22:37:38] | kormoc: | positron_, images tend to be static |
| [22:38:12] | Dagmar: | There is no way to stop MythTV from buffering. |
| [22:38:45] | positron_: | kormoc, but sometimes when I'm watching TV the image stops for a minute or so but sound works always and properly |
| [22:39:39] | kormoc: | positron_, you mean video then. If you run mythfrontend in a terminal window, it outputs log info, that should tell you whats going on |
| [22:40:13] | positron_: | kormoc, give me some seconds then, I'll try |
| [22:43:22] | famicom: | Yo |
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| [22:46:12] | xris: | jams: my wife told me last night that she loves the harmony... I think it's the first time I've ever seen her respond like that to any piece of AV gear.. and I don't even have the harmony hooked up to myth yet. |
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| [22:54:06] | gbee: | anyone noticed the news of the UK broadcast flag? |
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| [22:55:18] | gbee: | seems freesat sneaked it in to their STBs :) |
| [22:55:54] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, powered by WinMCE? |
| [22:56:32] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, good to read about gNewSense, it's Ubuntu without all the "working stuff" |
| [22:56:37] | gbee: | what's most disappointing is that BBC HD programmes are affected |
| [22:56:57] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Whoah, really? Didn't think they could do that what w/ your TV Tax |
| [22:57:22] | directhex: | gbee, all 6 brands of freesat box? |
| [22:58:39] | gbee: | directhex: yeah, it's part of the freesat spec but so far has only been enabled by a firmware upgrade on some models |
| [22:58:56] | gbee: | expect the others to follow soon though |
| [22:58:59] | directhex: | O_o |
| [22:59:07] | directhex: | who the fuck pushed that through? |
| [22:59:39] | justinh: | gbee: yeah I saw it. mentioned it here twice |
| [22:59:56] | gbee: | works much like the US broadcast flag, disables component output on the STB – forces the use of HDMI |
| [22:59:58] | justinh: | long live mythtv :) |
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| [23:00:15] | gbee: | justinh: ok, guess I wasn't around :) |
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| [23:00:48] | justinh: | that said there can't be that many HDTV owners relying on component, shirley |
| [23:01:19] | justinh: | though maybe folks with their 1 & only hdmi port already used up |
| [23:01:46] | justinh: | all sky's boxes will soon be doing it too |
| [23:02:36] | justinh: | you know the other thing about the 'upgrade' – you can put it off but never prevent it |
| [23:03:28] | gbee: | older TVs tend to lack HDMI or have just one port, these days you get at least two |
| [23:03:30] | justinh: | one thing i'm puzzled by though.. how the hell they expect it to stop piracy – anybody who intends to distribute the stuff would just use a PC |
| [23:03:42] | gbee: | but yeah, they are screwed if that's the case |
| [23:04:06] | gbee: | justinh: it's not rational |
| [23:04:10] | justinh: | what next? dvb tuners which obey the flag? |
| [23:04:18] | AndyCap: | encraption to the rescue |
| [23:04:23] | kormoc: | justinh, no component means no hardware to down-sample for component with HDCP tho |
| [23:04:28] | justinh: | ah but then if it puts the stream out on the bus... |
| [23:04:31] | abqjp: | http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2 |
| [23:04:35] | gbee: | justinh: sure, once they realise that loophole exists |
| [23:04:46] | justinh: | gbee: I don't think they're unaware |
| [23:05:02] | justinh: | have you seen the draft proposals for european dvb ? |
| [23:05:03] | gbee: | but how many people are just going to look for STBs from countrys which don't support it? |
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| [23:05:14] | gbee: | nope |
| [23:05:28] | justinh: | scary if some of the ideas ever come to fruition |
| [23:05:40] | AndyCap: | justinh: like? |
| [23:05:40] | justinh: | s/scary/talk about opting out of TV |
| [23:06:09] | justinh: | like the broadcast flag but locking receivers out completely if keys aren't exchanged |
| [23:07:02] | justinh: | they're only proposals & may never make it into a standard.. whatever a DVB standard actually means anyway |
| [23:07:26] | gbee: | starting to appreciate the frustrations of people in the US with their broadcast flag fiasco |
| [23:07:40] | justinh: | we had it so good for so long |
| [23:08:00] | gbee: | as long as it only affected them I could just ignore the issue ;) |
| [23:08:03] | justinh: | thing is too – the bbc are beginning to embrace the whole concept of a) time shifting and b) on demand |
| [23:08:16] | justinh: | gbee: it might never even happen here |
| [23:08:30] | gbee: | justinh: it just has ;) |
| [23:08:51] | justinh: | not really in ways that can affect us directly |
| [23:09:25] | directhex: | so why is a bbc-developed service like freesat mandating no analog hd? |
| [23:09:53] | justinh: | maybe part of distribution deals |
| [23:10:08] | justinh: | maybe astra turn it on when they mux it all up |
| [23:10:28] | gbee: | justinh: as MythTV users, no, not yet – but a couple of years from now? I can see MythTV being killed off for UK users – which would be a real shame considering there isn't even a commercial equivalent |
| [23:10:29] | directhex: | nah, was never an issue for FTA boxes |
| [23:10:52] | justinh: | directhex: that's cos they don't know the flag is even there |
| [23:10:56] | gbee: | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a97054/ . . . -output.html |
| [23:11:21] | justinh: | same way the flag never killed mythtv recordings the way MCE users experienced last week or so |
| [23:11:22] | directhex: | justinh, oh, and sky don't use it |
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| [23:11:32] | justinh: | directhex: they plan to and have said as much |
| [23:11:39] | directhex: | justinh, the father in law had to use component for skyhd for ages, due to a dodgy telly |
| [23:12:07] | justinh: | and anyway.. what the hell can capture component in HD already? |
| [23:12:22] | justinh: | we can safely discount the HDPVR for now |
| [23:12:24] | gbee: | justinh: with existing cards, but what about models released in the future – when the switch to DVB-S2 are all the cards available in the market at that time going to support it? It's possible |
| [23:12:33] | AndyCap: | best to have it sewn up before HD-PVR arrives. :) |
| [23:12:35] | justinh: | gbee: I'm aware of that |
| [23:13:00] | justinh: | S2 is defacto standard territory now though isnt it? |
| [23:13:36] | justinh: | i.e. too late for them to put a 'STOP THIS NOW' into tuners adhering to the standard |
| [23:13:58] | justinh: | at the end of the day the flag is in the stream. don't watch for it, pay no heed ;) |
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| [23:14:13] | justinh: | it MIGHT appear in hardware one day but it's unlikely |
| [23:14:16] | gbee: | it's a slippery slope and I just don't feel we can afford to ignore it just because it doesn't affect us yet |
| [23:14:33] | justinh: | DVB-T2 has flags too btw |
| [23:14:40] | AndyCap: | of course you can ignore it. Don't listen to Martin. |
| [23:14:43] | gbee: | I doubt we can stop it happening, but I'd rather try now than after it happens |
| [23:14:44] | justinh: | and that bugger's still in draft |
| [23:14:59] | justinh: | they could put that into hardware |
| [23:15:14] | justinh: | again I don't consider that very likely though – way too complicated to keep things cheap |
| [23:15:34] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Why discount the HD-PVR? You can do the HDMI->Component conversion |
| [23:16:06] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I am discounting it because to all intents & purposes it's not out there in user land in even insignificant numbers yet |
| [23:16:08] | iamlindoro_: | Not *cheap* mind you |
| [23:16:16] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Ah, ok, fair enough |
| [23:16:51] | kormoc: | justinh, started arriving today :P |
| [23:17:14] | justinh: | the content creators wanted a way to get around the Betamax court ruling since the very day of the hearing. now they can |
| [23:17:42] | justinh: | and we, the sleepy TV users have let it happen |
| [23:17:46] | directhex: | my desire to get freesat has dropped an awful lot |
| [23:18:06] | gbee: | justinh: seen the screenshots of the new HD Sky EPG? |
| [23:18:37] | justinh: | just think – automatical updates you can't prevent... new flags when ads are on.. don't change channel please.. oh yeah |
| [23:18:38] | iamlindoro_: | I intend to get the HDMI->component gear before they start suing the guys making the stuff (since it is *cough* "HDMI compliant") |
| [23:18:52] | iamlindoro_: | er that is, HDCP |
| [23:19:00] | justinh: | gbee: yeah. it makes even the worse of mythtv themes look like works of art |
| [23:19:32] | gbee: | aye, it's a mess |
| [23:19:32] | justinh: | I like how their highlight bar changes the text colour though |
| [23:20:15] | justinh: | reverse video areas look like shit on analogue screens but... |
| [23:20:32] | gbee: | justinh: already possible with mythui and now that I think about it, isn't that already doable with libmyth? Or have I just been spending too much time with mythui that I'm confusing new features with old? |
| [23:20:56] | justinh: | gbee: yeah it is, but like I said, reverse video areas look poo on analogue sets |
| [23:21:10] | justinh: | especially with high contrast |
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| [23:21:38] | gbee: | right, sorry, I see what you mean |
| [23:21:40] | justinh: | unless you have a B&O TV with unfeasible high volt PSU regulation |
| [23:22:09] | justinh: | only CRTs I've ever seen where a PAL bounce pattern never moves |
| [23:22:45] | justinh: | FYI the bounce pattern has squares which change from black to white ;) |
| [23:23:40] | justinh: | its the only thing I won't miss about my telly when it dies. that and the fact it has only one RGB scart input |
| [23:24:08] | gbee: | the amount of area they give over for overscan is stupid, even the old analogue EPG didn't waste that much space |
| [23:24:25] | justinh: | yeah their new EPG looks 4:3 safe.. for HD |
| [23:24:59] | gbee: | if I had a HD TV which overscanned that much I'd expect a refund |
| [23:25:06] | justinh: | makes you think what the hell some people moan about myth's ui are talking about |
| [23:25:37] | justinh: | yeah there are wrinkles but overall :) |
| [23:26:36] | gbee: | the old EPG was pretty nice – simple, if not especially pretty -the new one looks hellishly complicated |
| [23:27:09] | justinh: | as for virgin's UI – all that's really wrong with it is it's unstable & slow |
| [23:27:34] | justinh: | they opted for 5% safe area |
| [23:28:30] | justinh: | sa what you like about Sky's UI though- it's not as bad as Humax's or Topfield's. somebody needs to tell them about saturation |
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| [23:29:49] | directhex: | bedtime imho |
| [23:30:12] | gbee: | yes mummy |
| [23:30:14] | justinh: | still wondering how much resistance I'll meet if I rejig the INFO & MENU menus so INFO can just show programme info |
| [23:30:25] | justinh: | only one way to find out |
| [23:31:43] | justinh: | gbee: after mythui are there any plans you know of to rationalise menus, or is that just way too far ahead? |
| [23:31:53] | gbee: | well I will get to bed, I want to try moving the dish up higher tomorrow, try and clear some of the branches in the trees and hopefully get error free BBC HD |
| [23:32:26] | justinh: | careful with that there chainsaw ;) |
| [23:32:45] | gbee: | justinh: I've given it a little thought as part of the overall UI shake up, but probably too far ahead right now :) |
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| [23:33:20] | gbee: | justinh: meant moving the dish to get a clearer line of sight, the trees are in a neighbours garden :( |
| [23:33:49] | gbee: | signals good enough for a STB, just not the card it seems :( |
| [23:35:06] | justinh: | you can get amps for satellite but as with any other kind of amp it can easily make it worse (much more easily for satellite) |
| [23:36:34] | justinh: | unless I get rid of the trees we have here I might have to go for a chimney mount |
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| [23:36:59] | justinh: | prolly cheaper than a tree surgeon |
| [23:38:06] | gbee: | that remains an extreme solution here, but so far I keep spending money and getting nowhere – starting to get frustrated |
| [23:39:20] | justinh: | early days yet I think. you'll crack it |
| [23:39:23] | gbee: | the bigger dish was supposed to have helped, but really it's made little difference, all other transports seem fine – it's just very bad luck that the one with problems carries BBC HD |
| [23:39:46] | justinh: | I wouldn't put the card above suspicion just yet either |
| [23:40:03] | gbee: | if any BBC employees are here – could you recommend moving BBC HD to another mux? ;) |
| [23:40:46] | justinh: | did you check the PSU btw? |
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| [23:42:10] | justinh: | if the bbc hd mux is a higher freq than the others you pull in fine, maybe the problem is the coax |
| [23:42:11] | gbee: | justinh: on boot the voltages are fine, lmsensors suggests they aren't – but I'm not sure how far I can really trust those figures |
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| [23:42:23] | justinh: | I only trust my DVM ;) |
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| [23:42:41] | gbee: | justinh: tried the old coax and the length that was supplied with the new dish – no difference |
| [23:42:47] | justinh: | lmsensor voltage readings – I've never seen a sensible one yet |
| [23:43:39] | gbee: | justinh: well sticking probes in there is something that I'm bound to screw up, last thing I need is to fry something |
| [23:44:07] | justinh: | thats what HDD Y splitters are for :) |
| [23:44:18] | gbee: | but all the same, if it comes to that I own a digital VM and so it's an option |
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| [23:44:56] | Lynet: | lmsensors seems black magic to me. Sure, it can read some values from some probe chips but trying to make sense of those values is something entirely different. |
| [23:45:22] | justinh: | temps are always on the high side but that's a GOOD thing :) |
| [23:45:44] | Lynet: | Hot disks live longer right? |
| [23:45:46] | gbee: | guess I could try removing the other cards, disconnecting the second drive, if that helps then I may have my answer |
| [23:46:03] | justinh: | no, temps *reading* higher is a good thing |
| [23:46:09] | justinh: | not *being* higher ;) |
| [23:46:43] | justinh: | gbee: always try the cheapest ways first :) |
| [23:47:27] | gbee: | I'm willing to believe that google report on their disk failures – basically that no usage or environmental conditions affect drives unless they were among that percentage with tiny manufacturing errors which were going to fail no matter what |
| [23:48:07] | justinh: | well, I know a few machines failed at a trade show last week where they were too tightly packed in the racks |
| [23:48:43] | Lynet: | PLease tell me they caught on fire. |
| [23:48:56] | justinh: | lol no |
| [23:49:19] | justinh: | I got a log out of one HDD... 85'C max temp |
| [23:49:35] | Lynet: | Bit on hot side, yeah. |
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| [23:49:51] | justinh: | and that was just one of them I found in a semi-operable state |
| [23:50:29] | gbee: | well let's assume there are limits no matter what the google findings were, all devices have max/min operating temps, the point being that so long as they operate within those limits it doesn't matter if it's the bottom, middle or top ends of the range |
| [23:50:41] | justinh: | gbee: our own failure stats would just about agree with google's study, but some of our DVRs are put in silly places |
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| [23:51:17] | justinh: | oh yeah. I mean the manufacturers would have everybody believe it's a bath curve |
| [23:51:21] | hadees: | firewire_tester finally worked!!! ok so now that i got it working how can i figure out which channels i can get? |
| [23:51:24] | gbee: | I'm not about to stick my backend above a fireplace just to test the theory :) |
| [23:52:00] | justinh: | they arrive at most of their stats by approximation anyway. MTBF especially |
| [23:52:04] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Welcome to the joy of firewire-- some entire channels are always 5C... some are 5C on certain programs... and some are never so |
| [23:52:15] | gbee: | I'm actually impressed just how cool the new backend/frontend runs |
| [23:52:15] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: And sometimes the *smae* programs is 5C once and not the next |
| [23:52:19] | iamlindoro_: | Hooray, fun! |
| [23:52:32] | iamlindoro_: | er same |
| [23:52:32] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, lol, i got that but how do i figure out the basic channels i can get |
| [23:52:47] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Set it up as a capture card and start switching channels? |
| [23:52:48] | ** justinh hands iamlindoro_ some ferrite beads to plonk on the firewire cable to cure the 5c ** | |
| [23:52:54] | Lynet: | justinh: mtbf numbers advertised on a new line of disks is likely to be swag. |
| [23:53:06] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: But again, channels aren't 5C, programs are |
| [23:53:14] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, there isn't some automated way where it goes through each channel? |
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| [23:53:24] | justinh: | Lynet: oh they are up to a point, but before a model comes to market it's pretty old & has been very well run in |
| [23:53:28] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Nope. |
| [23:53:31] | iamlindoro_: | Yayyyyyyy! |
| [23:53:33] | gbee: | night all |
| [23:53:34] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, i got a lot of channels, it is going to take me hours |
| [23:53:37] | justinh: | night gbee |
| [23:53:38] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
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| [23:54:03] | iamlindoro_: | add to that the fact that you more or less need to restart the backend and change the start channel w/ mythtv-setup after *each* failure, and... well, see you in three weeks |
| [23:54:12] | justinh: | still wondering when I'm gonna be allowed to visit a HDD manufacturing plant. been promised it |
| [23:54:29] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, that makes zero sense because firewire_tester fails on channels that don't work so if i can figure out how to tune via the command line shouldn't i be able to make a bash script? |
| [23:55:16] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, you have to be shitting me =( |
| [23:55:24] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: because you will come across lots of channels that are sometimes 5C and sometimes not... so you will delete good channels because they have a 5C program going, and allow ones that aren't good because the program happens not to be 5C at that moment |
| [23:55:33] | Lynet: | justinh: Is "sneeze in a clean-room" on your things to do befire I die-list? |
| [23:55:49] | justinh: | lol |
| [23:55:50] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, i need a script that just randomly runs and checks the programs |
| [23:56:08] | hadees: | there has to be some way to automate this |
| [23:56:41] | hadees: | i think i would rather spend twice as much time writing automation code then sitting infront of the tv going through ever channel |
| [23:56:58] | iamlindoro_: | I love how every time someone realizes the totally painful frustration of a process, they assume someone hasn't done their job right and that there must be some simple way to do it |
| [23:57:02] | iamlindoro_: | that's the human spirit, I tell uya |
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| [23:57:05] | iamlindoro_: | ya |
| [23:57:23] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, lol i'm not saying that i'll write the automation if you can tell me how i can tune the box via the command line |
| [23:57:47] | iamlindoro_: | There's a firewire channel changer for the Moto 6200, not aware of any for the SA boxes |
| [23:58:50] | iamlindoro_: | Yup, a brief looksee at the source shows that it only works with Moto and Pace boxes |
| [23:59:09] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, but my assumptions are right though? if i change the channel on the box and firewire_tester can't get anything then the channel doesn't work but i should be able to change the channel on the box after that and run firewire_tester and get a channel that does work |
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| [23:59:29] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: No, they are not correct, for the reasons I've already stated |
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| [23:59:54] | nuonguy: | what happened to comcast? I can't get a box from them that supports firewire anymore |
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