Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, May 27th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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dustybin:

whenever i watch a movie recorded in 5.1 i need to manually change my alsamixer setting to PCM OUT, is there a way to control that using a script directly from the frontend?

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squish102:

is a load of 8 to 9 bad during playback, not much wait, but ocasional hickups when playing

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squish102:

i have more of a problem with HD content though

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cesman:

dustybin: yes

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cesman:

dustybin: write your scripts and create a menu entry for it...

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dustybin:

cesman: ive found the commands!!!!!

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dustybin:

amixer set 'IEC958',0 'Digital Mixer' | amixer set 'IEC958',1 'Digital Mixer'

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dustybin:

thid works for normal TV

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dustybin:

amixer set 'IEC958',0 'PCM Out' | amixer set 'IEC958',1 'PCM Out'

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dustybin:

that works for 5.1 surround

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dustybin:

cesman: maybe i could put them on my remote control

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robbins61:

my PS3 can't look inside of directories that mythtv hosts over UPnP. any ideas?

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cesman:

dustybin: it is your remote...doesn't matter to me

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robbins61:

i mean, it looks in the directories, but says they're empty

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cesman:

dustybin: as longs as you have the buttons available

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cesman:

robbins61: based on what I've seen, the best option for UPnP w/ the PS3 is FuPPeS

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cesman:

robbins61: fuppes.sf.net

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robbins61:

alright

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robbins61:

i'll check it out

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dustybin:

it works!!!! i can now swap between 5.1 and TV digital from the yellow button on my remote :-)

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mrmcgibby:

How would I get more debugging information from mtd? The rip part seems to work, but transcode left nothing.

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gregL:

#/fedora

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Aval0n:

BUSTED

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xoritor:

well for some reason i just started getting jumpy playback in mythtv

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Aval0n:

everyone point and laugh at the fedora lover

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Aval0n:

jk

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Aval0n:

;)

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xoritor:

had to reboot the system as my screen went black

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xoritor:

and now its really "jumpy"

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xoritor:

anyone have any ideas?

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gregL:

Avalon: sorry about that i thought i was at the server level...

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xoritor:

gregL, should have been #fedora anyways ;-)

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gregL:

xoritor: yeah i know had a slight miss que

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xoritor:

heh

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gregL:

I like to monitor here and fedora...You can pick up a lot of tips...lurking

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darkwizzard:

anyone tell me what software is need for opengl?

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Aval0n:

greg

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Aval0n:

fedora is just fine

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Aval0n:

I was just poking fun at you :_

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Aval0n:

;)

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wagner:

darkwizzard: xorg (or xfree86) and either drivers with hardware acceleration, or mesa libraries

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JDStone:

isn't there an easy way in MythTV to convert a recorded show to avi or some over format?

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wagner:

you can use mythtranscode

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wagner:

or you can create a user job using mencoder

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kormoc:

JDStone, nuvexport

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JDStone:

thanks guys

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JDStone:

how about mythexport?

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kormoc:

that is nuvexport, no?

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wagner:

i think mythexport just renames your recordings to something human sensible

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kormoc:

mythexport is nuvexport renamed

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JDStone:

ahh

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at0m|c:

wagner: mythrename.pl renames :>

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Fenix-Dark:

hey

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Fenix-Dark:

anyone using lirc?

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cesman:

yes

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cesman:

hello Fenix-Dark, how goes your install?

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kormoc:

a lot of folks do

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Fenix-Dark:

cesman, didnt do it yet

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Fenix-Dark:

curious if you can set lirc to do global actions

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Fenix-Dark:

and if so, how

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cesman:

Fenix-Dark: define "global actions"

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Fenix-Dark:

for example, my remote which is using lirc, has a big red button that says 'power', i would like to set it so that when i press said button, the active window/application is closed. so far i had to set that for each application that i'm using, i'd rather just have one that transcends the application

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Fenix-Dark:

cesman, understand what i want to do?

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cesman:

Fenix-Dark: as far as I'm aware, LIRC's configuration is per app

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cesman:

I suppose for power, you might me able to use irxevent

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cesman:

is it irxevent I'm thinking of......

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Fenix-Dark:

i'd like to do something similar for the numerical buttons too

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Fenix-Dark:

along with the volume and arrow buttons

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kormoc:

Fenix-Dark, erm... each app has a different way to exit, what keypress would you use that would quit everything?

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Fenix-Dark:

kormoc, in kde, alt + f4

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kormoc:

welp, there you go

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Fenix-Dark:

how would i do that?

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kormoc:

but honestly, a lot of dialog windows (save stuff) and all that jazz come up

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kormoc:

irxevent

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Fenix-Dark:

ok

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kormoc:

as cesman said

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Fenix-Dark:

is it a gui app?

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

you'd have lircrc set to use irxevent to send x events

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kormoc:

it's all documented on lirc.org

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cesman:

kormoc: thanks

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Fenix-Dark:

ok

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Fenix-Dark:

atm i'm using irkick for configuring lirc

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kormoc:

cesman, you're welcome... not sure for what tho :)

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cesman:

kormoc: verification

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kormoc:

ahh, heh

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justinh:

/ignore -regexp -pattern "whocares@saus04.usc.es " *

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directhex:

justinh, /ignore -regexp -pattern "*@*.es" *

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justinh:

for somebody who deems it so necessary to be logged into freenode they don't say very much

[09:35:33]

directhex:

justinh, do spanish people have anything useful to tell you?

[09:36:08]

justinh:

que? ;)

[09:37:12]

justinh:

well, I'd LOVE to put the latest software on this machine you gave me mr Manager but the link on the wiki is dead. Dead links in our own wiki. WTF

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Dibblah:

justinh: Apologies – I do idle a lot :(

[09:41:22]

Dibblah:

But it was a suspend / resume cycle...

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justinh:

Dibblah: not you. was talking about mister nickcycler from Spain

[09:42:39]

Dibblah:

Oh, right.

[09:42:58]

Dibblah:

Could be worse – Could be an -idle nickchange.

[09:43:11]

justinh:

they're already ignored

[09:45:04]

** Dibblah wonders if even any of the core devs are running trunk atm... **

[09:45:27]

Dibblah:

As opposed to the "oooh – Shiney" users.

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justinh:

some no doubt will be

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justinh:

others may be running it somewhere – just not 'in production'

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justinh:

anyway Dibblah there's not all that much 'shiney' to see over 0.21-fixes :)

[10:19:52]

** jduggan still uses a trunk build pre .21 stable release **

[10:20:00]

jduggan:

if it aint broke...

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directhex:

you kidding? it's got qt4! 4!

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directhex:

moar = bettar!

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jduggan:

uhuh

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justinh:

bloody hell half past eleven already. time is flying today

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directhex:

zoomzoom

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jduggan:

bloody hell, midday, time is flying!

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justinh:

we just had power cut here. was hoping that would be the end of the working day but no

[11:06:03]

** jduggan nods @ UPS and generators **

[11:06:59]

justinh:

nah. the access control system was out so I got stuck in the lab. phones were all down .. proper shambles

[11:07:23]

justinh:

only the 'servers' are on UPS here apparently. shoddy as hell

[11:09:18]

justinh:

bit scary to think you can get stuck in a building without power

[11:10:00]

justinh:

course the door magents are on a UPS but the control system isn't. fkin crazy

[11:11:06]

directhex:

you need a good old-fashioned power cut to really work out what should be on a UPS

[11:11:13]

jduggan:

we have a similar setup, keycard entry into the building and into rooms, datacenter etc, there is an overide to get out, but not in

[11:11:29]

jduggan:

like a panel that you set off a firealarm

[11:15:35]

justinh:

it's bad enough that we need to buzz ourselves out of the building after 5.30pm

[11:16:18]

justinh:

great that none of the fire exits are locked but to get to a fire exit guess what...

[11:16:30]

justinh:

you need your keyfob!

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directhex:

is that legal?

[11:16:52]

justinh:

probably not

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jduggan:

no

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justinh:

the doors leading to the fire escape stairwell all have access control on them

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jduggan:

dundundun

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jduggan:

so you need access control to leave a building also?

[11:26:34]

jduggan:

breach of regulations :O

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rooaus:

justinh: So, in the event of fire and power is cut to the facility by the fire brigade the doors leading to the emergency exits "fail secure"? That is fucking crazy... criminally negligent even

[11:38:44]

justinh:

yeah well

[11:46:17]

justinh:

hey at least nobody will escape with secrets

[11:48:23]

directhex:

office theft? don't you have cctv?

[11:49:41]

justinh:

yes but only on the outside of the building

[11:49:51]

justinh:

no USB device locking on PCs either

[11:50:20]

justinh:

infact no real IT security to speak of other than closing some ports

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Dibblah:

"don't you have cctv?" Well, that would be a bit ironic given their line of business...

[11:51:09]

justinh:

easy to knock out the building CCTV anyway

[11:51:23]

justinh:

as a PSU failure the other week showed :)

[11:53:00]

iamlindoro:

Haha

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iamlindoro:

best UK word so far = Tatties

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iamlindoro:

Tatties and Neeps

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directhex:

sounds scottish to me

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justinh:

we have a road bollard at the entrance too – they were messing about with tying that into the access control system when one of the IT guys on his lunchbreak drove in. or should I say INTO IT – as it went up without the warning light changing to red. IT guuy didn't see it – wrote off his car & then the company wanted to charge him money to store it here til it was recovered!

[11:55:58]

justinh:

scottish != UK

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iamlindoro:

justinh: The UN disagrees I think :)

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iamlindoro:

Disavow it as you might

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** justinh goes back to campaigning to have Hadrian's Wall rebuilt **

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directhex:

not enough UN delegaes have flowing ginger locks, and lots of woad facepaint

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iamlindoro:

I'm kind of partial to the ginger locks actually

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justinh:

you know that because of the Rangers 'fans' antics the other week, Mancy United aren't being allowed a victory parade in the city centre? shocking

[11:58:11]

justinh:

iamlindoro: and freckles?

[11:58:18]

justinh:

somebody's got to love them I suppose

[11:58:22]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Sure, why not

[11:58:28]

iamlindoro:

As long as there are tatties

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justinh:

they should be made to speak English

[11:59:20]

iamlindoro:

The same might be said of americans, especially those on the internet

[11:59:48]

iamlindoro:

or should I say "exspecially"

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directhex:

most english-people on the internet are from vikingland

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directhex:

english-speaking, even

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iamlindoro:

Who embarassingly seem to have the stronger command of the language

[12:02:09]

directhex:

well, of course! then dun speak good 'n' everything!

[12:07:15]

iamlindoro:

Ah, I do so love the special Viagra offers on the dev list

[12:07:34]

justinh:

is that to help mythbackend stay up longer?

[12:07:52]

iamlindoro:

So people would try anything

[12:07:58]

justinh:

yeah. even monit

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iamlindoro:

It may be a requirement for running trunk currently

[12:08:33]

justinh:

nah. just a brain, as it ever was

[12:09:15]

iamlindoro:

Haha, the users list is high-larious

[12:09:26]

justinh:

as ever

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iamlindoro:

Guy talking about how he finally got BBC-HD working on his beige box ath-ugh-lon by switching to Quartz-blit

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justinh:

sharing a remote control, anyone?

[12:09:58]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, 'cause Quartz-blit works GREAT on non-macs

[12:09:58]

justinh:

"But... How do I share the remote? Can I use a USB hub or a switchbox? "

[12:10:31]

iamlindoro:

Offer to sell him a remote control KVM and send him a box of air

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justinh:

effing thicktards

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justinh:

highlight of the list this week though I reckon.. "Can minimyth work with other servers?"

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iamlindoro:

That *was* a good one

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justinh:

oh jesus. knew this day would come. inlaws' PC has a rogue dialler installed

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justinh:

yeah I know. a dialler. I told them to get broadband but no no no no no no no

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iamlindoro:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39216715,00.htm

[12:17:08]

iamlindoro:

If it's good enough for Microsoft's head of security, it's good enough for ma

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justinh:

they click OK on every effing thing, that's how it happened

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directhex:

justinh, refuse service. i do.

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directhex:

justinh, same reason doctors won't give professional advice to people they're not related to

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Then again, based on what you've said it sounds as though your wife is capable of helping her *own* parents :)

[12:18:33]

directhex:

remember, help once, and every single issue or bug for the next 7 years is your fault

[12:19:13]

directhex:

iamlindoro, i have a "compatibility list". my dad won't use apps from it, so i don't support his alternative choices

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justinh:

directhex: I'd refuse any contact with them at all if it was a frickin option

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justinh:

there's a job for me next time I go up. bastard

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justinh:

fucks me off too – I've not seen my parents since xmas & every time we go up, spend most of the weekend at hers. might see mine for all of 3 hours

[12:22:58]

justinh:

marriage is fine & dandy til you factor in the inlaws

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directhex:

my sister is the reverse. she has a "supported" setup, yet waits months before reporting problems, after a few clueless mates have had a go

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justinh:

if it was somebody with a clue I was dealing with I'd talk them through changing the dialler back

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iamlindoro:

I've found middle ground with my folks by getting them on to Mac OS X at home. It's not linux but it's a fair sight better than Windows

[12:29:32]

Puh_:

does the eit crawler ever sleep once it starts?

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justinh:

I might even put Linux on there. they only want internet access

[12:29:37]

justinh:

Puh_: nope

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Puh_:

darn

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justinh:

well not for long

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Puh_:

would it make any sense for it to sweep through the channels, then sleep some and then sweep again?

[12:30:01]

iamlindoro:

Holy god, these Scottish SPCE commercials are depressing

[12:30:08]

iamlindoro:

SPCA

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Puh_:

when the backend is otherwise idle that is

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justinh:

give us money or the cute puppy gets it?

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iamlindoro:

More or less

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iamlindoro:

I'd be okay if they showed a cat. Overjoyed, even.

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justinh:

there must be something better you can be doing than watching telly

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justinh:

DAYTIME telly at that!

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iamlindoro:

I'm fairly immobile right now. I could walk somewhere but there's a very real possibility of my legs falling off

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justinh:

hahaha

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justinh:

know the feeling but I didn't run a marathon the other day

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justinh:

how'd that go btw?

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iamlindoro:

Went well-- very very windy so made me a bit slow but I finished so what the hell

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I head home tomorrow so this is just sort of a recovery day.

[12:40:42]

iamlindoro:

I've already got all the photos and cheap Scotland Flag magnets I need

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iamlindoro:

I've also concluded that I'm good looking enough to be a TV star... in the UK.

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justinh:

you've been watching soaps again

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iamlindoro:

haha

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justinh:

I got around to watching Family Guy – Stewie kills Lois last night. hil-facking-arious

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Dibblah:

justinh: So Great Britain doesn't include Scotland any more? Yay! :)

[12:45:47]

justinh:

can't wait to see Lois Kills Stewie tonight

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justinh:

Dibblah: 'Great Britain' was killed off ages agho

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Dibblah:

Eh?

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Dibblah:

UK == GB + NI.

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justinh:

United Kingdom, or else, say the PC brigade, no?

[12:46:47]

Dibblah:

GB == England, Scotland and Wales.

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Dibblah:

Different areas.

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justinh:

really? oh well let's give Scotlanders their independence

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZkrxoJY1Wo is my fave FG moment ever

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Dibblah:

Won't happen – Where will you put your new nuclear power stations? ;)

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PatrickDK:

NI = New Ireland?

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justinh:

still put them in Scotland

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Dibblah:

Northern

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justinh:

bury the cables under the wall

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justinh:

the 100 foot high wall

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Dibblah:

Oh no, not another fan of that damn film.

[12:48:28]

justinh:

mine the beaches to stop them coming via water in their coracles

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Dibblah:

(Doomsday)

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justinh:

eh?

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iamlindoro:

Unless there's a

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iamlindoro:

"Superman versus" before that, I'm unlikely to see it

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Dibblah:

http://doomsday-trailer.blogspot.com/

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justinh:

there's a film about cutting scotland off from civilisation?

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justinh:

"Scotland has been left behind a wall to prevent an epidemic from spreading.".. fitba fans travelling down South to watch games.. yeah we know

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justinh:

jesus my anti-scot fervouris bordering on racism

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iamlindoro:

Bordering on? ;)

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justinh:

you could ask what scotland has ever done to me.. there's a long list starting with being spat on by locals

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justinh:

jees how desperate were Malcolm McDowell & Bob Hoskins?

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Dibblah:

Especially to get bit-parts.

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iamlindoro:

Is Rhona Mitra the poor man's Kate Beckinsale?

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justinh:

who?

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iamlindoro:

Exactly

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justinh:

exactly

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justinh:

better films have been made for less than £17m, I suspect

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Dibblah:

Not one that involved canabalistic weegies, I would guess.

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iamlindoro:

The Road Warrior, maybe? Dunno what that cost. Also don't know what a Weegie is :)

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Dibblah:

Glaswegian

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iamlindoro:

Ah, I see :)

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iamlindoro:

Then no

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iamlindoro:

Haha, via urbandictionary.com: "A group of glory hunting religous bigots from Weegieland(Glasgow), Ballingry and Lochgelly. They are easily spotted esp on holday because they wear the same Rangers or Celtic taps every day. They call everybody wee man and all their children are called Wayne."

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dustybin:

when i try and play a DVD

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dustybin:

the frontend crashes

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dustybin:

the last thing the frontend says before it quits is this

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dustybin:

2008-05–27 14:32:55.386 GetNextFreeFrame() served a busy frame D. Dropping. UAAUUUUUUAUUAUUAUAUUUUUUUUUULUU

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iamlindoro:

I think Xena Warrior Princess used to make that sound

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anenigma:

and from this, we conclude that xena is invading dustybin's mythbox :D

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dustybin:

:-0

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dustybin:

the first part of the DVD plays

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dustybin:

the menu plays ok, when i select the film, thats when it errors

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dustybin:

this is from a original dvd, not pirate

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** PatrickDK wonders what the difference of an original dvd and pirate is **

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iamlindoro:

About $15

[13:39:10]

PatrickDK:

iamlindoro, I'm not even sure about that :)

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justinh:

dustybin: using greedy2thingy deinterlacer?

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PatrickDK:

cost of internet to download it, plus dvd to burn it on

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dustybin:

justinh: im

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justinh:

dvd to 'burn it on' ?

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justinh:

what is this 'burning' you speak of?

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PatrickDK:

he said dvd :)

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iamlindoro:

It's sneakernet 2.0

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PatrickDK:

that implies a disk

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dustybin:

my first de-interlacer is linear blend, my fallback de-interlacer is kernel

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justinh:

dustybin: just blame the dodgy buffer code then

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justinh:

build with debug support enabled, run it under gdb & submit a ticket with a backtrace attached. otherwise STFU

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dustybin:

:-0

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justinh:

dustybin: if the frontend crashes, there's nothing you can do about it

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dustybin:

ive turned off all de-interlacers

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justinh:

and if you don't submit backtraces, there's nothing can be done about it

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dustybin:

im gonna try again

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PatrickDK:

s/nothing/hardly

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justinh:

*nothing*

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PatrickDK:

well, you could review the code :)

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justinh:

who could? :)

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PatrickDK:

anyone?

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justinh:

no way of knowing where to look without a backtrace

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iamlindoro:

A specially trained team of German Rocket Scientists

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iamlindoro:

At an undisclosed bunker deep in the Nevada desert

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dustybin:

i can see a lot of lines with 'damaged' written on it, maybe the dvd is scratched

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dustybin:

2008-05–27 14:42:47.407 [mpeg2video @ 0xb7301348]ac-tex damaged at 14 16

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, that's a broken MPEG-2 stream

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** PatrickDK wonders why the germans are in nevada **

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iamlindoro:

who knows, maybe the file pressed on the disk itself is screwy

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justinh:

PatrickDK: never heard of the Manhattan Project? :)

[13:44:52]

PatrickDK:

ya, but aren't most of them dead?

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iamlindoro:

PatrickDK: Same reason as always, because we kept them from war crimes prosecutions so they can help us make things go kablooie

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justinh:

they love the smell of trinities in the morning

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PatrickDK:

things that go boom are good

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PatrickDK:

I hate mondays so much

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PatrickDK:

and yes, this is a monday, cause it's the first day of work this week

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

tell us why you don't like mondays... ;)

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PatrickDK:

accounting for all hours I did last week

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justinh:

come to think about it, I don't think I've even tried doovde playback in 0.21 yet

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PatrickDK:

and making sure all the damned paperwork is good for submittion :(

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gbee:

without spelling mistakes?

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justinh:

we used to have to do timesheets

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justinh:

taking every damned thing into account, so we took the mick

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justinh:

14:05 – went to toilet

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justinh:

14:07 washed hands

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justinh:

pretty soon we didn't have to do anymore timesheets

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cal_:

time warner just got hooked up at my house .. do i use QAM-256 to scan it for digital channels (hoping for some unecrypted ones to get with my pcHDTV)

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justinh:

this QAM term misappropriation has to stop

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gbee:

justinh: too late really :( The US cable networks used in in the branding

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justinh:

bastards

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cal_:

justin: it is a bit confusing, sorry

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justinh:

we shall henceforth refer to american HD cable as QUIM

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PatrickDK:

justinh, heh, I have to fill out 2 timesheets, and a progress report for each item :(

[13:53:37]

justinh:

09:00 – 17:30 – filling out last week's timesheets

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cal_:

i have it set to DVBInput and then QAM-256

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PatrickDK:

yep

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justinh:

cal_: scan away but don't be surprised if nothing is found

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cal_:

all it found were encrypted channels :( so i guess i at least head the right settings though

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cal_:

had

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justinh:

cal_: if you feel the need to oduble-check use your TV if it has a 'quam' tuner

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justinh:

er.. 'qam' even

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gbee:

quim

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cal_:

justin: if it found the encrypted ones, and but no unencrypted ones, that means I had the right settings, just no channels that arnt encrypted in my area, correct?

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gbee:

just been informed that the new dish has been dispatched :D It just better fix my BBC HD issue

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cal_:

I will try QAM 64

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gbee:

64 QAM

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justinh:

cal_: I presume so

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cal_:

gbee: mythtv calls it QAM-64

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gbee:

256 QAM is the modulation, "QAM-256" is the branding used to describe the cable standard used

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gbee:

cal_: heh, maybe I've got it mixed up

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cal_:

gbee omg you cant be serious

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gbee:

cal_: now you see why we're bitching about it :)

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cal_:

ppl need to standardize and simplify these naming conventions or i am going to go nuts

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cal_:

its bad enough with video standards. a *.avi file doesnt mean crap anymore.

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justinh:

standards need to mean one thing per subject

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justinh:

as in .. be *standard*

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gbee:

lots of transmissions use QAM (terrestrial, satellite, cable) but differing standards for the data formats – so why on earth they chose to call the US cable standard 'QAM' is beyond me

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justinh:

cal_: AVI was, and forever will be a crappy video container

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cal_:

someone in here told be i shouldnt even be really able to pick up cable signals with DVB, yet i am using DVBInput. it seemed the only one that worked.

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justinh:

it's not a format or a standard. AVI is just crap

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cal_:

heh

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justinh:

and these codec cards are fried. ooooh shit

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gbee:

justinh: your fault?

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cal_:

heh my cable installer is gonna come here any minute. he is not going to know what to do with my mythtv box i should prolly just put it in the corner, let him set it up his way, and then yank it all apart again

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justinh:

nah they came in like this

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GreyFoxx:

cal: yes, because some will refuse to install othyerwise

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GreyFoxx:

just let him get the signal working so you know that it's coming in at least :)

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cal_:

grey: my cable is already working, but they insisted that an installer has to come. lol

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GreyFoxx:

That is the main reason I don't have another HDTV settop box. Even though I have it now and working, they wont give me another without sending an installer, and my paying a install fee

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cal_:

i am bummed though. all the digital appears to be encrypted.

[14:03:59]

GreyFoxx:

I refuse to pay for someone to come and do nothing but plug it in :)

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cal_:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

yeah some places suck for that

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PatrickDK:

I had to pay for someone to come do my cable modem

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PatrickDK:

and they didn't have to do a damned thing, cause I had it plugged in and all connected

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GreyFoxx:

Patr: I don't mind paying for new installed, moving installs etc

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cal_:

damnit i want digital into mythtv

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PatrickDK:

but they refused to take the mac from me, and set it up over the phone

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PatrickDK:

my issue was the scheduling of doing it

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gbee:

from their point of view they'd rather pay for the engineer to install it, than deal with customers self-installing and then complaining it doesn't work

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GreyFoxx:

but if I have 2 setop boxes already, and a cable modem, and phone on their cable system. If I want another settop box, just give it to me :)

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Which is why I think users should have the option to pickup the gear, if it doesn't work bring in a installer

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GreyFoxx:

and on new installs I totally agree with them

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GreyFoxx:

but if I already have all the services and working, just gimme the bloody box :)

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** MinDKrime is bummed, none of my cable providers new HD channels are on Firewire.... **

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GreyFoxx:

especially since on my original install they plugged in 1 of the STB's, not both and left the other for me

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gbee:

I'm bummed because I can't get BBC HD right now due to crappy signal issues, but on the other hand that can be fixed so I'll get over it :)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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justinh:

!trout CAD-engineer

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** MythLogBot slaps CAD-engineer with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

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justinh:

when are those buggers gonna learn not to connect adjacent pads with links between them?

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justinh:

they always look like shorts

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MinDKrime:

Man I hope the HD PVR solution works out good....

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justinh:

I hope it wipes out all the whining about cablecard never working in linux

[14:11:18]

MinDKrime:

Now that they have changed the Firewire channels on my cable I pretty much cant get much

[14:11:38]

MinDKrime:

what! Cablecard not work in linux!!!

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justinh:

I'd be pretty much cancelling my subs pretty much totally right away pretty much

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** MinDKrime joking :D **

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GreyFoxx:

Mind: They disabled them? Ouch

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MinDKrime:

yea

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MinDKrime:

All but local but one of them hac BC flag on

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MinDKrime:

hac = has

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justinh:

5C, not BC

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MinDKrime:

so the Cablebox wont send it...

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MinDKrime:

right i know

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MinDKrime:

5c on most everthing

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MinDKrime:

NBC has BC

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MinDKrime:

no 5c

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MinDKrime:

I get better OTA anyways...

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GreyFoxx:

Sad stuff

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MinDKrime:

I just want to record some other HD :)

[14:13:29]

GreyFoxx:

No OTA here:(

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justinh:

wouldn't it be ironic if the workaround for 5C only costs $0.05 ?

[14:13:54]

GreyFoxx:

We keep getting told OTA is coming, but I don't expect so :)

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GreyFoxx:

justin: That would make many users very happy :)

[14:14:22]

MinDKrime:

I have OTA. It is good here... At least for the main channels... some of the smaller channels not so good.

[14:14:24]

justinh:

fit *this* little chip resistor, or something :)

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MinDKrime:

Well once I see some reviews on the HD PVR I will spring for it. (even if it not usable in Myth yet)

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PatrickDK:

heh, I remember doing that for dvd players region lock

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MinDKrime:

PatrickDK: :D

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GreyFoxx:

mind: It will be usable as soon as users start receiving it

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MinDKrime:

Humm

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GreyFoxx:

though users might have to apply a patch:)

[14:16:16]

MinDKrime:

That good news.

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PatrickDK:

I find OTA HD to just be crap around here

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: once packagers catch up with the backport of code to -fixes, of course ;)

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PatrickDK:

I get 3 stations max, and 2 of them aren't worth even thinking about, and the last one hardly has any shows worth watching

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GreyFoxx:

Thankfully even though I have no OTA, firewire works on all channels here, and we have tons of unencrypted digital ones

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directhex:

some distros are more -fixesy than others

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MinDKrime:

it funny that the same show recorded OTA here is bigger in size that recording it via Firewire from cable...

[14:17:19]

iamlindoro:

still other distros require fixING

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PatrickDK:

MinDKrime, you have comcast? :)

[14:17:31]

MinDKrime:

No

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MinDKrime:

Cox

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PatrickDK:

they resize the hd, so they can squeeze more channels in

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iamlindoro:

MinDKrime: That's to be expected, your cable co compresses even the locals

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iamlindoro:

Whereas via OTA they can tak up a nice, fat, full channel

[14:18:05]

MinDKrime:

OTA looks great here...

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iamlindoro:

For the reasons mentioned above.

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MinDKrime:

I just want more HD.... :) Maybe I should just be happy.

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PatrickDK:

the only hd I am likely to see anytime soon is torrent :(

[14:19:32]

iamlindoro:

Ah, Matroskavision

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justinh:

fansubs & ED

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justinh:

that's all there is legit :P

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iamlindoro:

No ED when you're watching porn MKVs

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iamlindoro:

Totally functional

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iamlindoro:

Ba dum tishhhh

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PatrickDK:

I dunno about totally functional, but atleast findable

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directhex:

does porn need MKV?

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justinh:

call me back when 90% of TV shows are HD

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directhex:

i use OGM for porn. it works in more apps

[14:23:51]

iamlindoro:

directhex: HD porn, wave of the future, man

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PatrickDK:

90% of all tv shows?

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iamlindoro:

HD razor burtn

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iamlindoro:

burn

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PatrickDK:

or just 90% of new episodes?

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directhex:

should switch to mp4, for ps3 use

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justinh:

90% of all new TV shows

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justinh:

and stations stop showing repeats

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justinh:

oops. there goes my T Vlicence fee pissed up the wall again

[14:24:58]

gbee:

justinh: so long as nature documentaries etc are HD that's enough for me, well maybe films too ..

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PatrickDK:

I hate the whole mid-season repeat runs

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justinh:

actually just so long as shows I watch as in HD...

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justinh:

I don't care if Jeremy Kyle is in HD or not :P

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justinh:

iamlindoro: get some JK on the box. you don't know how bad UK TV can get til you see him

[14:27:26]

** iamlindoro googles furiously **

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gbee:

like Springer, but with less class ....

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justinh:

on ITV2 now probably

[14:27:52]

iamlindoro:

Ah here's a bit of the YouTubes

[14:28:22]

justinh:

The Jeremy Kyle Show:

[14:28:23]

justinh:

Best Friend You Stole My Man But Did You Have His Baby? DNA Results

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gbee:

actually I blame the US for paving the way for this crap ;)

[14:28:59]

iamlindoro:

I'm watching "I never said I'd leave my wife – you tried to trap me with a baby, DNA results"

[14:29:25]

justinh:

gbee: nah if it wasn't for the public who watch the crap...

[14:29:43]

justinh:

like BSG – if people didn't watch it, it would never get made

[14:30:58]

justinh:

also blame the people who use claimsdirect et al – they buy ad breaks

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gbee:

justinh: I long ago came to the conclusion that those people exist and they aren't going anyway, but the people behind these programs should know better

[14:31:11]

justinh:

eugenics!

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justinh:

the New Zealanders can intern them all on the isle of wight

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gbee:

having added 500 channels to my lineup with satellite, I then set about removing all (well most) of the crap and it's down to under 50

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iamlindoro:

At least you can avoid the trash TV for the most part in the US... in the UK it appears even if you turn off the TV there's still all the crap tabloids everywhere

[14:32:44]

justinh:

500 FTA channels?!

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justinh:

iamlindoro: tabloids are damn easy to avoid. easier to avoid than ITV

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gbee:

DELETE FROM channel WHERE name LIKE '%shop%'; 132 records removed.

[14:33:33]

iamlindoro:

"Were you vere at the tuyme I dont FINK so"

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iamlindoro:

nice.

[14:33:39]

justinh:

damn there goes HotLesboBabesWhoLikeToShop

[14:34:08]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like "Sex and the City" to me

[14:34:33]

iamlindoro:

Does anyone ever attack the host?

[14:34:35]

iamlindoro:

bovvered

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justinh:

I have to deal with this at home.. go see SATC film so I can go watch INdy next week. maybe I'll just pass on Indy altogether, avoiding the SATC issue

[14:35:43]

justinh:

iamlindoro: attack JK? bloody hell given half a chance!

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justinh:

iamlindoro: it's cruelly edited too – he gets retakes of course

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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gbee:

one of the rare moments I think we'd be better off allowing everyone to own a gun

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justinh:

society's on its way to sorting that one out already

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justinh:

how on Earth I keep managing to walk past all those scary gangs of teenagers on the streets where I live without being killed fucknows

[14:37:51]

iamlindoro:

On to "Our 15 year old is a football hooligan"

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gbee:

lots of FTA channels on Satellite, but little actually worth even keeping aside from what is available through FreeSat which is pretty much a mirror of Freeview plus a couple of extra entertainment and film channels

[14:38:08]

justinh:

"we carnt control im innit"

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justinh:

gbee: figured that much out even without a dish :)

[14:38:54]

iamlindoro:

My god I've just discovered my new workday hobby

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gbee:

if you like a wide variety of news sources, well you've got Euronews, CNN, Russia Today, France News, Al-Jazzera, CCTV-9, Bloomberg, Sky News, BBC News and one or two others

[14:40:57]

gbee:

justinh: HD was the main reason I've gone for it and the hope that maybe a couple of decent film channels will appear and offer a little more choice

[14:41:14]

justinh:

I was hoping dvb-s would be better bandwidth

[14:41:30]

iamlindoro:

I see from my hotel television why nobody ever bothers complaining about Sky not handing out CAMs

[14:41:36]

justinh:

right now it isn't but by the time ofcom have screwed the terrestrial muxes over good & proper....

[14:41:54]

justinh:

iamlindoro: you'd be surprised

[14:42:28]

justinh:

one of my mates 'hearts' his Sky +, says 'you NEED to get this man!'.. big advocate of it. he's waiting for his sixth box in 3 years to arrive

[14:42:46]

jduggan:

gbee: you got the HD working with that athlon chip?

[14:42:47]

justinh:

I'd have cancelled after the 2nd box broke down

[14:42:52]

gbee:

iamlindoro: Sky is pretty much an illusion, 90% of their customers think they are overpriced and offer no decent content – but would they cancel their subs? Not a chance as long as the Jones have Sky

[14:43:25]

iamlindoro:

Shame, seems like there's a great market here for a decent provider to come in and sweep up subs

[14:43:35]

justinh:

a what?

[14:43:58]

justinh:

you mean one who isn't doing dodgy deals to kill off competition to maintain their own monopoly?

[14:44:07]

gbee:

jduggan: yeah, well the test samples of BBC HD work with some optimisations, but I'd have probably picked something slightly faster if I had to do it again – 4000 series instead of the 3600

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iamlindoro:

yeah, that :)

[14:44:37]

gbee:

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anykey_:

gbee: sky isn't that bad actually, if you compare it to pay-tv in Switzerland or Germany ;)

[14:44:59]

iamlindoro:

This has GOT to be mostly staged

[14:45:06]

justinh:

iamlindoro: and somebody who doesn't have to contend with the monopoly ruining trade before they even get started?

[14:45:15]

justinh:

iamlindoro: it isn't

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PatrickDK:

atleast not by the show

[14:45:40]

justinh:

that sort of crap goes on in real life, in the street

[14:45:47]

PatrickDK:

but could be by the guests on it

[14:45:49]

justinh:

it's just televised

[14:45:59]

PatrickDK:

people thinking of how to get some quick cash

[14:46:02]

gbee:

anykey_: well Police Academy 4 was better than Police Academy 6, doesn't make it a good film ;)

[14:46:04]

justinh:

the situations are artificial though

[14:46:11]

justinh:

PatrickDK: they don't even get paid

[14:46:22]

PatrickDK:

oh?

[14:46:28]

PatrickDK:

heh, around here they do

[14:46:38]

anykey_:

gbee: true, but at least you got a bunch of HD channels

[14:46:41]

gbee:

they get their 15 minutes of fame though – which is enough for most of them

[14:47:01]

anykey_:

gbee: we don't even get content with the original language, we have to wait until they synced it to crap

[14:47:12]

gbee:

anykey_: with such poor quality than the good SD stuff on terrestrial looks better (IMHO)

[14:47:49]

anykey_:

gbee: I've only seen rips from Sky One HD which looked awesome. I don't know about freeview though

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gbee:

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anykey_:

Now if we just could get Sky here ;)

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gbee:

you should be able to get ITV HD via sat over there – not that Myth can play it just yet

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directhex:

weren't you tinkering with that?

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anykey_:

gbee: yeah, I got some samples here

[14:49:53]

justinh:

Sky HD? you should see BBC HD

[14:50:10]

justinh:

SKy HD looks like flickin Lego

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anykey_:

justinh: BBC HD is 1440x1080i... have a look at HD suisse, if you can ;)

[14:50:32]

justinh:

res counts for sod all

[14:51:05]

justinh:

Sky HD might be 2480 x 1080 ffs but it still looks like lego

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anykey_:

how is my flat supposed to display 1440x1080i, when it's native res is 1920x1080? It can't do half-pixels...

[14:51:39]

directhex:

anykey_, with stretchy stretchy

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gbee:

directhex: janneg offered to sort it out since he knows the code better than me – if I get impatient then I'll take a look

[14:52:03]

anykey_:

directhex: figured out that ;)

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justinh:

guess what.. your eyes arent as good at determining horizontal resolution so it doesn't matter much

[14:52:47]

anykey_:

justinh: right, it doesn't matter to my eyes, but why do the BBC broadcast something like this?

[14:53:22]

gbee:

less bandwidth

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iamlindoro:

And at equal bandwidths, better looking picture

[14:53:44]

iamlindoro:

at least, artifactwise

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anykey_:

You still get the best picture with 720p, if it's fast motion...

[14:54:05]

gbee:

or what iamlindoro said

[14:54:08]

** gbee shrugs **

[14:55:05]

iamlindoro:

BBC-HD is by far the best looking *broadcast* HD source out there, to my eyes

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anykey_:

iamlindoro: which others have you seen?

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anykey_:

not much HD in the sky that is not encrypted...

[14:56:39]

iamlindoro:

To my knowledge, HD Suisse is 720p only, so it's really apples and oranges

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anykey_:

If you compared the song contest (this weekend) on BBC HD with HD suisse... 720p looked way better

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anykey_:

but I don't know, I think BBC HD had some serious problems

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directhex:

people actually WATCH the eastern eurovision song contest?

[15:04:51]

iamlindoro:

Purely for comparative purposes, I'm sure ;)

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cal_:

hmm

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jduggan:

lol @ eastern eurovision

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cal_:

so i just set up time warner, pulled in the new channel listing in mythsetup, ran mythfill, but the front end still has the old channel listing from my old cable company

[15:06:28]

jduggan:

gbee: ITV HD wont play in internal?

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gbee:

jduggan: in theory it can be made to work ... but right now the video in the stream is hidden as data

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cal_:

maybe before i pull in a new channel lineup from schedules direct for an existing channel source, i have to delete the old channels from it first.

[15:09:50]

jduggan:

gbee: ah, ofcourse in theory it can work.. other STB's manage it :)

[15:11:22]

gbee:

some, not all :)

[15:11:47]

gbee:

they use MHEG to fill in the gaps for the STB

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gbee:

so the MHEG takes the video from the 'data' stream and tells the STB to treat it as video

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directhex:

what do sky use for interactive, if it's not MHEG?

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gbee:

ITV HD isn't really a channel in the traditional sense, it's more like the BBCi channels which you are supposed to access by pressing 'red' from one of the main channels

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willcooke:

directhex, "Open"tv

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gbee:

well ITV HD is only accessible from ITV 1 (maybe the others) when the SD show on those channels is simulcast in HD and you are invited to 'press RED for HD'

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gbee:

no guide data, so difficult for MythTV to schedule normally – making it next to useless really :(

[15:16:11]

willcooke:

gbee, have you seen the patches that allow Freesats's EPG to be used?

[15:16:21]

willcooke:

they work a treat

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directhex:

willcooke, EIT?

[15:18:38]

willcooke:

indeed

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directhex:

willcooke, 7 days?

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willcooke:

Ummmmmm. I don't know. I can't get at my box atm to look, but it's certainly a lot lot lot more than the Now&Next I was getting before. I'll take a punt here and say yes

[15:19:56]

gbee:

willcooke: I'm the dev reviewing them ;)

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willcooke:

gbee, In which case – get them included! ;-D

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jduggan:

gbee: may i ask which card you went with, for the dvb-s

[15:20:31]

gbee:

but they don't allow guide data for ITV HD as ITV probably won't be offering any

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directhex:

willcooke, i'm curious about the freesat platform – e.g. whether there are early indications of channels to be added to the freesat "approved" list by virtue of extra data in the EIT streams

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gbee:

jduggan: http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . dition-.html

[15:21:29]

willcooke:

gbee, but it's better than nothing, which is what there was before

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willcooke:

directhex, ?

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justinh:

gbee: surprised you're recommending em

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Dibblah:

Must refrain from "Where's your patch" comment :(

[15:22:18]

willcooke:

directhex, I haven't looked at the raw streams

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gbee:

willcooke: as I don't watch LiveTV, it's pretty much the same thing – impossible to know in advance what ITV HD will be showing and therefore no recording

[15:22:36]

Dibblah:

(Re move to Matroska as the container format for software encoding on the ML)

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justinh:

yay I fixed the cards

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justinh:

wrong chips fitted on the modifications

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directhex:

Dibblah, matroska's too mainstream. how about .rm?

[15:23:03]

justinh:

damn those Maltesers

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gbee:

justinh: they made up for it, grovelling apology and free upgrade to next day delivery (from Germany)

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Dibblah:

.mk isn't too bad.

[15:23:39]

justinh:

gbee: heh. better than scan would do I suppose :)

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willcooke:

gbee, but that only applies to ITV HD – the rest of the (freesat) channels supply EPG

[15:23:52]

Dibblah:

Or (shudder) ebuyer.

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justinh:

scan'd be all like "see your order? yeah, well we've got your money now.. fuck you!"

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iamlindoro:

Dunno what's so wrong with .MP4 for everyone... a lot more uPnP devices will certainly understand it then

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro: mp4 isn't a container format.

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justinh:

iamlindoro: not so much the mp4 format- it's the container which throws everybody a curve

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directhex:

iamlindoro, you make device compatibility sound like a goal, rather than being 1337 in the warez scene

[15:24:36]

Dibblah:

You're probably meaning mpeg-ts / ps.

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gbee:

I wasn't too happy at the time, but apparently they were moving from their old warehouse to a new one that week – so I'm happy to accept that it was a one off event

[15:24:42]

directhex:

Dibblah, MOV.

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justinh:

just do what I suggest & discontinue framegrabber support. problem solved!

[15:24:55]

directhex:

Dibblah, the mp4 container would be MOV.

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directhex:

justinh, and move to GL only!

[15:25:24]

willcooke:

does anyone know if I can buy a doodad to plug in to my sp dif headers on the MB to present me with a phono connector?

[15:25:28]

justinh:

ok I'd have to hack the icky fade out but yeah in principle

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gbee:

willcooke: it was only ITV HD that I was complaining about, the rest is fine – although it doesn't offer much which Freeview didn't already aside from BBC HD

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justinh:

willcooke: you can, fleabay sell em

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Dibblah:

Hrm. I'm wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP4

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iamlindoro:

.MP4 *is* a container

[15:26:15]

Dibblah:

Well, that is, if you believe in Wikipedia as the Source Of All Knowledge.

[15:26:23]

justinh:

the problem with nuv isn't the format necessarily. it's a lack of players which can play nipplevideo

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willcooke:

gbee, will the EPG patches make it in to trunk then?

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iamlindoro:

Although it certainly doesn't help that MPEG-4 can apply to everything from a container to a codec to a dessert topping

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willcooke:

justinh, ta

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sphery:

love the gauntlet that was thrown down on the -dev list: "What to do about Nuv" :)

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gbee:

willcooke: trunk and -fixes, I just need to clean up the patches in a couple of areas

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GreyFoxx:

spher: yeah hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I was just reading that :)

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directhex:

iamlindoro, which is why it's great when people say their device is "MPEG-4 compatible"

[15:27:25]

iamlindoro:

*cough* VIA *cough*

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I don't see the idea of moving away from .nuv as a bad thing myself

[15:27:36]

GreyFoxx:

to what is another matter

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sphery:

great way to get support from the devs--call them stupid, say they made bad design decisions, then tell them exactly how /they/ should fix the "problem"...

[15:27:46]

willcooke:

gbee, cool!

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justinh:

sphery: but of course

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, other than mpeg-ts, which formats support lack of up-front indexing?

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: yeah, but Captain_Murdoch has patches to allow transcoding to other containers (and possibly even recording to other containers) and only frame grabbers actually encode into NUV now...

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GreyFoxx:

direct: I'd have to start researching really

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directhex:

ooh, how about niplevideo... oh wait, bollocks

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Dibblah:

As I said, I'm really wanting to say "so where's your damn patch, then"?

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GreyFoxx:

spher: True. It does sort of render it moot with is patches

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GreyFoxx:

s/is/his

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gbee:

we already agree that offering other containers is a good idea – although it only affects lamegrabbers ...

[15:29:19]

sphery:

yeah, Captain_Murdoch's patches work, but need cleaning up (I think that was his last status).

[15:29:20]

gbee:

the number of people still using lamegrabbers is diminishing rapidly

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justinh:

d i s c o n t ...

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GreyFoxx:

I think most people want to get rid of nuv for transcoding

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justinh:

just think of the positive lack of people who can't configure a linux mixer applet :)

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sphery:

But we shouldn't remux the existing NUV. People should transcode (or recode) at their own risk due to the possibility of A/V sync issues

[15:29:58]

GreyFoxx:

they want the transcoded outout o fmyth to be .avi or whatever without having to use nuvexport

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iamlindoro:

I vote for removing plain v4l support ;)

[15:30:04]

iamlindoro:

We get votes, right? :)

[15:30:11]

iamlindoro:

this is a democracy?

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Dibblah:

Sure.

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GreyFoxx:

wonder if nuv2avi still works heh

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Dibblah:

It's proportional representation, though.

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justinh:

I prefer Pespi

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Dibblah:

More commits == more votes.

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directhex:

duck season!

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gbee:

I also like the way the guy raises OGG and MKV as alternatives as though they should have been used from the start – but were they around when the decision to use NUV was taken? They certainly didn't become popular until relatively recently and before that who was to say that NUV wouldn't have become an equally popular container?

[15:31:00]

iamlindoro:

I say throw framegrabber support on top of PVR-350 video out in the furnace

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justinh:

who;s to say that mkv is a wise choice to opt for?

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directhex:

gbee, don't ogm and mkv still have indexes at the end of the file, like avi?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, mkv's were very VERY immmature at the time

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, like now, then?

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directhex:

gadum*tish*

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justinh:

and is associating with a format primarily used in the distribution of HD 'rips' a wise move anyway?

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GreyFoxx:

dire: Support for mkv's is growin by leaps and bounds. And the embedded cover art, and other "data" that can be hidden in them is nifty

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justinh:

s/format/container

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gbee:

prefer OGM to MKV if anyone asks me

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: I'd look for somewhere else to hide my porn.

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directhex:

i still want suggestions of an indexless container, because without them, there's no point discussing things as "possibilities"

[15:32:36]

GreyFoxx:

I have no issue to using mkv's but in the end, I don't care as long as myth can play them

[15:32:42]

justinh:

iamlindoro: framegrabbers contain lead & other harmful compounds. they're like sin incarnate

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directhex:

gbee, agreed! but mp4 would be even better (due to possible direct playback on things like ps3)

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Right. So no furnace, then. Bury 'em in a salt mine.

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justinh:

what about er... the old one of 'letting the user choose' ?

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Dibblah:

Yay for more settings!

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gbee:

well that's what Captain_Murdoch was working on

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justinh:

amen to that

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gbee:

the option for the user to chose

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sphery:

directhex: MPEG-4 with MPEG-7 objects... :)

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iamlindoro:

Fuck it, close-source the bitch and make all recordings .MTV

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justinh:

mkv with mpeg1 at 240x120 – no risk of piracy

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justinh:

nobody'd want to watch em

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GreyFoxx:

iam: dvr-ms

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

hah

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, i was wondering about dvr-ms. it's based on asx, right? i thought asx was indexed

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Seems we'd get sued by the Chinese for using .MTV : http://filext.com/file-extension/MTV

[15:35:33]

gbee:

bit that really annoys me about that list post is the guy saying that submitting a patch isn't the solution – NO, it is IS the solution

[15:35:37]

iamlindoro:

sphery: What with the well known chinese love for IP rights :)

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GreyFoxx:

direc: it's MS's way of proprietary encoding your standard mpeg2 video coming off pvr cards and the like

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gbee:

he just comes off as another user who has a great idea but doesn't want to do the work

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sphery:

iamlindoro: lol

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Dibblah:

I count 248 settings in the frontend.

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GreyFoxx:

includes metadata, and other info. not sure if it's related to asx at all

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iamlindoro:

Too many chiefs, not enough braves

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, well, yes, there's the DRm bit, but it's still a container

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Dibblah:

That's not including the plugins.

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GreyFoxx:

I find it funny that they rewrap the output of the dvb/pvr cards :)

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GreyFoxx:

The DVR-MS format files are an ASF file containing multiple MPEG-2, and data streams.

[15:37:55]

GreyFoxx:

so yea, asf streams

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: after all, if they used MPEG format directly, the XBox 360 couldn't play it :)

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GreyFoxx:

sphe: heh

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GreyFoxx:

I should get someone to send me a sample dvr-ms file

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iamlindoro:

MOAR EXTENSIONZ

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justinh:

make the format have nothing to do with the extension – thereby confuzzling almost every player known

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justinh:

and heartily annoy windows users

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** GreyFoxx invents the "Have Another Mpeg" format, so now all of his recordings a file.ham **

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, we should save the video's I frames in a .mvi file and the video's b frames in a .mvb file and the video's p frames in a .mvp file and the audio in a .maa file

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sphery:

justinh: wasn't that just pre-0.20 MythTV with anything but framegrabbers :)

[15:40:57]

sphery:

MPEG in a file with a .NUV extension

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iamlindoro:

MNC = MNC is Not a Codec

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iamlindoro:

Redundant acronyms = sooooo loonicksy

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GreyFoxx:

holy 604 tickets in trac batman

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sphery:

then the "yeah, because it's a container" people will think they won

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kormoc:

talking bout John Barberio's post?

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iamlindoro:

make that self-referential

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GreyFoxx:

korm: yeah that started it

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kormoc:

Ugh

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: you could commit all my patches to lower it (by about 8-ish ;)

[15:41:54]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Nice

[15:41:58]

GreyFoxx:

And I see the "lets all share cutlists" idea has shown up again

[15:42:00]

kormoc:

his tone really pissed me off this mornin' for some reason

[15:42:05]

kormoc:

yeah

[15:42:17]

GreyFoxx:

spher: email me the ticket #'s and I'll look

[15:42:21]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: As long as we all move onto the same block we'll be fine :)

[15:42:33]

iamlindoro:

and sync from the same NTP server

[15:42:40]

iamlindoro:

It'll be like a MythTV ghetto

[15:42:44]

GreyFoxx:

iam: hehe yeah

[15:42:54]

directhex:

in the ghettoooooooooo!

[15:42:58]

directhex:

(in the ghettoooooooooo)

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: none of them are actually that important--they're cleaning up stuff that's not broken or adding new features. Some of them have had other devs involved in discussion. (So, it was really just a joke.)

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justinh:

sharing cutlists? pfft that one's up there among all the 'distribute epg data by P2P' rubbish

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directhex:

we still need to explore the "paid euro metadata" idea

[15:44:20]

justinh:

if it's worth having, possibly

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sphery:

yeah, people don't seem to realize that every broadcast is done on its own schedule--you can be off by 10+ seconds just by watching over satellite rather than direct OTA broadcast. Oh, and even that assumes everyone knows the exact right time.

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justinh:

but if the source of the data is going to be giving us "the simpsons – an animated comedy" every episode they can sod off

[15:45:03]

gbee:

sharing cutlists is a non-starter, I was going to mention the lack of time sync etc, but I notice that iamlindoro has already covered that minor flaw

[15:45:59]

gbee:

directhex: already here, assuming you are talking about guide data and not just metadata for torrents?

[15:46:13]

iamlindoro:

gbee: What, you mean TV isn't sprinkled over us like a golden shower of entertainment from above? All from the same urinal of the television gods?

[15:46:18]

iamlindoro:

;)

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directhex:

gbee, guide data. details, por favor?

[15:46:29]

directhex:

justinh,

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directhex:

The Simpsons

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directhex:

The family holiday at a ranch, where Lisa falls for a wrangler and Homer takes on the beavers who are keeping some Native Americans from their land.

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sphery:

not a bad episode

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sphery:

though it's no "Trilogy of Errors"

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justinh:

directhex: thing is, even paid for data is variable quality

[15:47:24]

justinh:

paying is no guarantee of usefulness

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directhex:

that's copypasta from lyngsat-guide, who get their data from Red Bee

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directhex:

justinh, i know. but it might be nice, fr'example, to get metadata for FTA sat channels

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iamlindoro:

The TMS Simpsons episode listings have all been "Marge and Homer raise Bart, Lisa, and Baby Maggie" of late

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justinh:

digiguide have loads of great EPG data

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gbee:

directhex: hmm, don't have the details handy but an xmltv grabber was added a few months back – I was offered a free testing subscription but declined

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justinh:

will they allow anybody to develop it with a mythtv compatible model? will they feckerslike

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gbee:

tv_grab_eu_epgdata: new European grabber (commercial)

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directhex:

right, hometime

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JoeyJoeJo:

has anyone used the fios multiroom dvr? it seems an awful lot like myth (one machine to record, others at remote tv's to view recorded and live tv)?

[15:49:49]

justinh:

quick! patent it!

[15:49:56]

gbee:

http://epgdata.com/

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justinh:

JoeyJoeJo: Pace make it IIRC

[15:51:11]

justinh:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/i . . . ai_n15377440

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justinh:

hardly news

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dustybin:

justinh: how is your day at work going

[15:57:32]

justinh:

not bad for a MOnday

[15:57:55]

justinh:

my opposite number is off, I'm busy & there's no shit music being played from an over-full iPod

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wagner:

a monday?

[15:58:19]

dustybin:

AYE

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dustybin:

tues

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justinh:

feels like Monday == Monday

[15:58:53]

wagner:

sounds like somebody's got a case of the Mondays

[15:59:05]

wagner:

:P

[15:59:38]

justinh:

if yesterday was a national public holiday & this is the first day of the working week

[15:59:57]

wagner:

yeah, its even worse after a three day weekend

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justinh:

and believe me this is nothing

[16:00:45]

justinh:

work's actually been quite pleasurable today, relatively speaking

[16:01:09]

** justinh notes the absence of annoying Scouser & his shite-laden iPod **

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dustybin:

justinh: would there be enough bandwidth on a 108 Mbps wireless network to stream to wireless axis cameras at 640x480 @10FPS ?

[16:01:52]

dustybin:

to = 2

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justinh:

dustybin: depends how shite the wireless network is

[16:02:14]

dustybin:

my wireless network is pretty good

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wagner:

dustybin: theres enough bandwidth on 802.11b to do that

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wagner:

i assume its just sending MJPEG

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dustybin:

wagner: zoneminder only works with jpegs

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justinh:

you'd never send it uncompressed lol

[16:02:48]

dustybin:

this is my router

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dustybin:

http://www.netgear.co.uk/wireless_broadband_router_dg834gt.php

[16:03:06]

dustybin:

this is the camera

[16:03:08]

dustybin:

http://www.axis.com/products/cam_207w/

[16:03:08]

gbee:

anyone noticed a problem with BBC One where the audio appears to very slowly fade from high to low and back to high volume? Film I recorded the other night was especially bad

[16:03:32]

wagner:

well at 640x480, i cant imagine theyre more than ~50kb

[16:03:39]

gbee:

heh, it was Film 4 – not BBC One

[16:03:59]

wagner:

10fps would be 500K/s, so close to the limit of a stable 802.11b net

[16:04:25]

dustybin:

wagner: so 2 cameras = not enough bandwidth ?

[16:05:23]

iamlindoro:

You can crank compression way up, but ewwww

[16:05:40]

willcooke:

gbee, DVB S or T? I can't say I have noticed it, but I'll keep an extra ear open....

[16:05:53]

willcooke:

Ha... "The man who located the wreck of the Titanic has revealed that the discovery was a cover story to camouflage the real mission of inspecting the wrecks of two Cold War nuclear submarines."

[16:05:59]

willcooke:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/u . . . e3994955.ece

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gbee:

-T

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willcooke:

gbee, I'll check my recordings and let you know

[16:06:40]

justinh:

640x480? is there any POINT?

[16:06:53]

wagner:

dustybin: 802.11b is sufficient for 1 camera, with speedbooster (or whatever youre using) you can do about 10x that

[16:07:25]

wagner:

most cameras are no better than 640x480

[16:07:37]

iamlindoro:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/26/regrowin . . . s/index.html

[16:07:41]

iamlindoro:

That's pretty amazing

[16:07:43]

justinh:

wagner: yeah, most cameras are useless too

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wagner:

you can get higher end ones, but to do that on a netcam is very expensive

[16:08:01]

dustybin:

this is a demo of the axis 206

[16:08:05]

dustybin:

the image quality looks ok

[16:08:07]

justinh:

you can go "ooo look – that's SOMEBODY"..

[16:08:07]

dustybin:

http://81.149.153.123:9003/view/index.shtml

[16:08:18]

justinh:

SOMEBODY is there, look!

[16:08:24]

dustybin:

check out those sexy birds :P

[16:08:24]

justinh:

there's a car too!

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wagner:

theres.... a white page

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wagner:

taking a while to load

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wagner:

*white

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dustybin:

ill stop

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dustybin:

might free the bandwidth

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wagner:

nah, its your internet bandwidth from a handful of people in this room accessing at once

[16:10:08]

dustybin:

thats not my ip

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gbee:

"Clear and Present Danger" is the best (or worst!) example from stuff I've recorded lately – wild fluxtuations in volume which I initially thought was just bad audio editing in the original film, but it's too regular/random for that – sound, even ambient sound, rises and falls during scenes

[16:10:15]

wagner:

oh

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dustybin:

it was on ebay for somone selling those axis cams

[16:10:19]

wagner:

anyway, thats actually not bad

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kormoc:

dustybin, teh axis 206 is nice, zone-minder supports it really well, but night time it's rather bad

[16:10:33]

dustybin:

ok

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wagner:

gbee: what kind of equipment are you playing it through?

[16:11:00]

wagner:

i had an old receiver go.... bad, on me

[16:11:04]

gbee:

nothing more than the sound card on the frontend :)

[16:11:33]

wagner:

any time i would try to play dolby digital through it, i would get seemingly random volume fluctuations

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gbee:

it's not the card, I can rewind and it will follow the same patterns

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justinh:

gbee: never heard that one. maybe they had gremelinz

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sphery:

Heh... On Amazon, if you buy select Samsung HDTV's, you'll get a free TiVo HD DVR. Funny how it's "free" but you have to buy a subscription at $12.95/mo or $129yr or $299/3yr or $399 for the lifetime of the "free" box.

[16:12:18]

wagner:

ended up having to drop back to simulated surround for DVDs

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gbee:

justinh: probably, first time I've seen (or heard) it

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justinh:

recorded eurovision on saturday & watched it, having a skim.. Ole Tel's voice was awful & there was breath noise on his mike too :(

[16:12:32]

sphery:

I guess I shouldn't talk as I just spent my $20 for a 1-yr renewal of SD subscription... :)

[16:12:51]

wagner:

yeah, i need to re-up my subscription

[16:12:56]

wagner:

its coming due in a few weeks

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Naw, it's a one month subscription with 11 free months included ;)

[16:13:03]

justinh:

gbee: audio levels are set at their end on diggycle

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sphery:

gbee: sounds similar to (but in audio rather than video) the old Macrovision protections on some broadcasts...

[16:13:10]

gbee:

justinh: that's the bad noise that you particularly noticed? :)

[16:13:19]

justinh:

gbee: it was funny

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justinh:

hilarious infact

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I read it as "buy a 1-yr subscription for your free box and get 3 months extra free"

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justinh:

forget all about voting & who finishes where. just guffaw at what other countries classify as music

[16:14:23]

gbee:

sphery: should have spoken to Chutt, he had some discount coupons to give away to contributors :)

[16:14:33]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I meant SchedulesDirect... Buy 1 month, get 11 months free! :)

[16:15:05]

justinh:

if you can find a clip of the Croatian entry.. that was real laugh out loud

[16:15:14]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, I saw, but I figured that they might be more useful in getting someone who wouldn't otherwise contribute to help contribute. :) (Oh, and thanks for thinking of me--I saw your comment in scrollback.)

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wagner:

iamlindoro: i saw some article where they claimed to do that with ground up pig snout, some doctor gave it to his brother who had a finger chopped off by an RC propeller

[16:15:42]

sphery:

I'll contribute with or without the free renewal, but maybe someone who gets a free renewal will contribute more than they otherwise would have.

[16:16:02]

iamlindoro:

wagner: Sounds like the same stuff, they mention it's pig-derived

[16:16:12]

sphery:

wagner: I saw an episode of "The Outer Limits" like that. :)

[16:16:40]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Oh, I got it. Never realized SD was more expensive than TiVo. :)\

[16:16:44]

wagner:

in the one i saw, a lot of the claimed effect came from the prevention of the scab

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justinh:

sphery: give out a prizes for new themes not based on a mediaportal skin :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: haha

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wagner:

the scab never formed, so the finger was able to continue to grow

[16:17:13]

wagner:

whereas normally the scab stunts all growth

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sphery:

justinh: I was actually thinking of recommending using it as a contest like that.

[16:17:34]

justinh:

might tempt me back out again

[16:17:35]

sphery:

I figured that we'd get some new theme that wouldn't be maintained over time, though. (Think Visor :).

[16:17:49]

sphery:

but you don't use SD, do you?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

just make it a game

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sphery:

We need to start a game, then. :)

[16:18:16]

justinh:

was visor ever a contender? really? I mean honestly?

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sphery:

Once gbee finishes up mythui, we'll have to get you involved so you can set the standard for other new themes...

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iamlindoro:

justinh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P3Fl__fE3E ?

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gbee:

the 'tip' in question was everything in front of the nail, so 1mm of skin? I don't know about anyone else but I've lost that much from my finger a couple of time in accidents and yet each time it healed just fine, no scar, no marks

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justinh:

iamlindoro: yeah

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iamlindoro:

haha

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justinh:

they got the spirit of the competition dead right

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iamlindoro:

I love the crazy shouting old man

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sphery:

gbee: yeah, but did /all/ 3 of those skin cells grow back or are you now short a few?

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psofa:

has anyone here seen a difference between "nv17 video texture" and "nv05 video blitter" for xvideo?

[16:20:48]

gbee:

sphery: ahh, well now that's a good question ;)

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sphery:

psofa: XvmcUsesTextures?

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justinh:

maybe start reclassifying themes too. if they just make over the menu screens with a new button & background, PFFT (etc)

[16:22:23]

psofa:

sphery, Option "XvMCUsesTextures" "false"

[16:23:00]

sphery:

psofa: Yeah, I'm thinking (OK, really, guessing), though, that may be how drivers decide which to use...

[16:23:35]

psofa:

sphery, i think the drivers always choose the first one in xvinfo

[16:24:00]

justinh:

well, hometime

[16:24:01]

sphery:

Myth chooses that first one with the capabilities it needs.

[16:24:20]

sphery:

which is first in xvinfo (i.e. which is your system using)?

[16:24:30]

sphery:

I'd guess the nv05 video blitter, right?

[16:25:08]

sphery:

the nv17 video texture may also be something used with OpenGL rendering

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** sphery wishes he had a FOSS driver with full support for the NVIDIA card capabilities... **

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JohnMahowald:

nouveau... isn't quite there yet for 3D

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psofa:

sphery, no the first one is the texture

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psofa:

i suspect blitter would be better

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psofa:

and faster

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psofa:

all that 3d cruft is bypassed

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sphery:

JohnMahowald: Yeah, I'm wondering if the ATI drivers might be there first (now, post-spec-release)

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gbee:

not the OSS drivers, yet ... but maybe in another few months

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sphery:

psofa: Is there a setting in nvidia-settings?

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psofa:

lemme check

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sphery:

gbee: really, they're making that much progress?

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sphery:

I planned to look back in on it in about 2 more years...

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gbee:

sphery: they are making rapid progress, maybe 6 months is too optimistic and you've got to remember that it won't ever have every last capability nailed

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psofa:

sphery, no option.just enable/disable sync for each adapter

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sphery:

gbee: Right, but if it's close enough that it works as well as the nvidia proprietary drivers have, I'm ready to switch.

[16:31:14]

gbee:

the ATi proprietary drivers are brilliant – I'm happy enough with those for now

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sphery:

psofa: Stupid Ubuntu forum won't let me in to see the pic linked on this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=537529 . That sounds like what I was thinking of.

[16:32:25]

gbee:

noticed that a wiki user made the same comment about ATi image quality that I did, mainly that it's better than anything the nvidia drivers ever managed on linux

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psofa:

sphery, i bet its the tab where you can enable sync independently for each adaptor

[16:32:44]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, I saw you mention that before. For the first time, ever, now, I'm no longer flat out telling people to use NVIDIA for Myth.

[16:33:35]

gbee:

I've seen a couple of bugs – but nothing as bad as the pink screens and other issues which have plagued NVidia drivers in recent times

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sphery:

psofa: Yeah, you're right. Based on other pages on the 'net, that does sound like it's a sync thing.

[16:35:02]

sphery:

You may want to ask (a nice /very/ specific question) on the -users list. Might get Daniel (one of the few people who probably know the difference and how it applies to Myth) to answer.

[16:35:30]

wagner:

honestly, the only problem ive ever had with nvidia is that they refuse to make drivers for my server

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sphery:

(he does follow -users, though he don't post that often--mainly for things that he knows no one else knows :)

[16:35:48]

sphery:

wagner: what server?

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wagner:

freebsd-amd64

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sphery:

Oh. Yeah.

[16:36:19]

wagner:

they refuse to do anything, claiming they dont like how freebsd does something

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sphery:

I forgot some people still use that illegal copy of an old AT&T OS. ;)

[16:36:58]

wagner:

so rather than working around it, or helping fix it, they just say no

[16:37:09]

wagner:

although i suppose it is a server

[16:37:21]

wagner:

x is not necessary

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sphery:

Yeah. That's another good reason for an open source driver.

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sphery:

Then you can compile for whatever system you use.

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gbee:

nvidia were great, for the 6/7 years that I've used them exclusively for linux, but on the basis of my recent experience with the Ati hardware and linux drivers I'll probably switch to ATi for a while

[16:38:06]

sphery:

which will make it easy to switch to the FOSS drivers once they're read.

[16:38:15]

wagner:

there is the 2d open source driver, but that doesnt work for some reason

[16:38:19]

wagner:

my screen just flickers

[16:38:36]

wagner:

and then when i kill X, the terminal is dim

[16:38:52]

wagner:

like before, it was bright white text, and now its dim grey

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sphery:

Yeah, I've notice that on my nvidia-GPU-based systems, I can't go from X back to text console reliably (even Ctrl-Alt-F#). Often doesn't work and I get dim/fuzzy text.

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sphery:

I think NVIDIA is blaming it on improper handling of INT13 or something...

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wagner:

on our multiheaded systems at work, the text on the console gets duplicated after doing that

[16:42:02]

wagner:

like the entire console is just copied and pasted about 40% over on the screen

[16:42:45]

wagner:

only on the primary screen though, the second screen works fine

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XLV:

gbee, ati linux drivers have advanced that much? i remember all the problems people had with them some two or three years back, and i've never had any ati card to have any experience with them

[16:46:20]

gbee:

XLV: massive improvement, although I can't compare to how they were two years ago, I'm comparing to the nvidia drivers

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tank-man:

what ati card do you have?

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gbee:

integrated x1250

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gbee:

chosen for the hdmi-out

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tank-man:

and the mobo?

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gbee:

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodd . . . ;cat3_no=351

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_abbenormal:

didnt think ati had good drivers out yet

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keith4:

yuck

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keith4:

i chose this board, for the hdmi out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188021

[17:02:49]

keith4:

and onboard nvidia

[17:02:58]

iamlindoro:

This is exactly the problem with what they've done wrong all along-- even when things start to change, there's so much ill will and disbelief that it will be years before people start to change their minds

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_abbenormal:

thanks keith4

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iamlindoro:

Hahah, Singapore company claims it owns the patent on using an image w/ a hyperlink.

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directhex:

iamlindoro, filed in 2002/.

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directhex:

?

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iamlindoro:

Meh, I'll let the /. attack dogs figure that out for me :)

[17:43:41]

iamlindoro:

2001

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iamlindoro:

October 2, 2001, granted in 2006

[17:44:23]

iamlindoro:

One can only assume the Patent clerk typed it up on a typewriter

[17:44:39]

iamlindoro:

amusingly, I suppose that would make the online copy of the patent an infringement of itself.

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Dagmar:

I think we can safely say that no one gives a damn what some company in Singapore of all places thinks it has a patent on

[17:54:46]

_abbenormal:

does mythtv require qt4 to compile

[17:55:01]

iamlindoro:

only trunk

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_abbenormal:

ok thanks

[17:55:14]

iamlindoro:

current release is qt3 only

[17:55:39]

sphery:

and, of course, it should be said, "Don't use trunk."

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_abbenormal:

so dont use bleeding edge on myth

[17:56:15]

iamlindoro:

sphery has the most important advice

[17:56:24]

sphery:

not now (or for the next few/six/12/... months)

[17:56:41]

iamlindoro:

Not unless you're in it to squish bugs and submit patches and don't intend to, whattayacallit... record TV.

[17:56:49]

sphery:

only use it on your development-only system--not a system whose purpose is to record TV...

[17:57:06]

sphery:

iamlindoro types too fast

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_abbenormal:

ok thanks lol

[17:57:12]

iamlindoro:

ha

[17:59:14]

** sphery wonders how _abbenormal plans to build a Myth box since Frankenstein's monster is using her brain... **

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_abbenormal:

donations are welcomed please

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sphery:

_abbenormal: really, though, you want to use the 0.21-fixes SVN branch. Don't use trunk, and don't use the 0.21 release tarball.

[18:00:49]

|DuReX|:

how come that livetv sometimes just stops playing, I just need to restart livetv, and it works again ... :s

[18:01:18]

sphery:

|DuReX|: there are sometimes issues in changing from one recording to another (which happens on program change)

[18:01:35]

|DuReX|:

its not when chaning chan

[18:01:41]

|DuReX|:

its just when playing 1 chan

[18:01:45]

sphery:

it's a known bug, but few devs care enough to fix it (since they don't tend to use LiveTV).

[18:01:45]

|DuReX|:

it suddenly stops

[18:02:22]

sphery:

right, but when the program changes--i.e. one ends and a new one begins on that channel (usually at the top of the hour and/or at +30)

[18:02:49]

|DuReX|:

ah could be

[18:02:53]

_abbenormal:

ok so which svn do i need to get

[18:02:56]

|DuReX|:

it stopped @ 20:00 ... :p

[18:03:17]

|DuReX|:

can't be a hard bug to fix imo

[18:03:18]

sphery:

_abbenormal: http://svn.mythtv.org/ and follow instructions for "Stable: If you'd like to get the 0.21 stable branch, do this:"

[18:03:18]

|DuReX|:

:s

[18:03:29]

sphery:

|DuReX|: we anxiously await your patch :)

[18:03:31]

iamlindoro:

|DuReX|: Then I imagine you'll get right on fixing it?

[18:03:32]

_abbenormal:

ok thanks

[18:03:35]

_abbenormal:

looking

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sphery:

|DuReX|: for real, though, the bug is likely to remain until someone who actually uses Waste-of-Time--I mean, LiveTV--fixes it.

[18:04:57]

sphery:

So if you have the skills and you really want to use LiveTV, ...

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sphery:

I can promise you I will /never/ spend any of my time trying to fix it.

[18:05:17]

|DuReX|:

I almost only use LiveTV with mythtv ... rest I never use

[18:05:49]

JoeyJoeJo:

durex: I think you're doing it wrong

[18:06:00]

|DuReX|:

? :)

[18:06:06]

sphery:

One day you'll learn... One day you'll break free of the network schedules and watch TV on your own schedule. One day you'll learn how great it is to go through serials (like Lost) one episode after another...

[18:06:11]

gbee:

|DuReX|: then arguably MythTV is the wrong application for you, MythTV puts the focus on recording TV, not watching it live

[18:06:17]

sphery:

rather than with the wait in between

[18:06:35]

iamlindoro:

Lots of guys like to swat flies with elephant guns

[18:06:48]

|DuReX|:

whats a programm to watch tv then ? :)

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sphery:

with the gun itself or are they actually aiming and firing???

[18:06:57]

iamlindoro:

Kaffeine, mplayer, Xine, etc.

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sphery:

tvtime

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kormoc:

|DuReX|, tvtime is good

[18:07:30]

iamlindoro:

Unless your card puts out any sort of MPEG-2 :)

[18:07:30]

PatrickDK:

I can't stand to watch livetv

[18:07:31]

sphery:

I finally won one... Of course, I did so by cutting out all the niceties and words and stuff.

[18:07:52]

sphery:

LiveTV = Waste-Your-Life-TV

[18:08:19]

sphery:

Recorded TV = "Kill-Time-Watching-Something-Interesting-TV"

[18:08:38]

Puh_:

for some reason myth doesn't seem to be able to quickly switch between channels on the same multiplex

[18:08:40]

kormoc:

Until you run out of things to record and you record waste-your-life-tv...

[18:08:42]

jpabq:

HD PVR delayed again? http://forums.freytechnologies.com/forums/sho . . . ostcount=536

[18:08:47]

Puh_:

is there some setting that should be enabled to make it possible?

[18:09:03]

gbee:

hmm, one major downside to wifi – when the card fails to associate on boot you're stuffed

[18:09:03]

Puh_:

i remember seeing "on the same multiplex" -messages earlier ..

[18:09:10]

iamlindoro:

Puh_: Myth is *always* going to have to buffer into a new file even on the same mux

[18:09:18]

sphery:

kormoc: true, should have said, "watching-something-potentially-more-interesting-than-what's-currently-airi ng"

[18:10:07]

gbee:

Puh_: just how slow are we talking? Have you enabled quicktune in mythtv-setup for that source?

[18:10:10]

sphery:

Puh_: probably remembering the "Now Myth can record multiple channels from the same multiplex" messages

[18:10:15]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: Everything in that thread is consistent with what we have been hearing *officially* since the beginning

[18:10:20]

PatrickDK:

kormoc, if you start recording waste-your-life-tv, you need to spend more time on the computer :)

[18:10:41]

kormoc:

PatrickDK, actually, less. I only have the tv on when I'm on the computer :P

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sphery:

anyone know why the delays in shipping the HD PVR (haven't been paying attention, but I'm wondering if it's just normal delays or if there's something sinister)

[18:11:06]

gbee:

sphery: nah, the signal monitor says "channel on same multiplex" when tuning within a mplex – does actually allow slightly faster tuning, but not by much

[18:11:10]

PatrickDK:

kormoc, I used to do that, but now I just have that screen dedicated to tracking satellites

[18:11:25]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Delays with plastic moulding, minor issues with power supplies

[18:11:42]

iamlindoro:

sphery: All appear more or less resolved, with some units going out this week... just off to a slow start is all

[18:11:43]

kormoc:

sphery, they're still working on the sinister firmware...

[18:12:15]

directhex:

the hd-pvr lacks a new only-works-on-vista DRM chip

[18:12:23]

directhex:

they should add that before shipping final hardware

[18:12:46]

sphery:

Oh. I figured with the "Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement" (ACTA) and such now appearing with a vengeance, it was possible that it's a sinister Hollywood plot...

[18:12:55]

sphery:

guess I can take off my tinfoil hat, then

[18:12:58]

gbee:

Puh_: are you using trunk or 0.21? Looks like in-multiplex tuning is broken in trunk, almost certainly QT4 related

[18:13:22]

iamlindoro:

gbee: But directhex told me that trunk was one QT better than .21!! ;)

[18:13:31]

directhex:

MOAR = BETTAR!

[18:13:32]

gbee:

heh

[18:13:51]

sphery:

gbee: and besides, I've heard that Qt4 makes applications look really pretty, so trunk must be much prettier than 0.21-fixes

[18:13:52]

directhex:

windows printer test pages haven't changed since win95

[18:14:09]

kormoc:

directhex, you say that like it's a bad thing...

[18:14:20]

gbee:

sphery: :p

[18:14:31]

sphery:

he was just surprised they actually got something right in Windows that long ago

[18:14:31]

PatrickDK:

I will never understand why people use trunk, then bitch that something doesn't work (that is a given)

[18:15:16]

sphery:

Because they're not the average user. They're smarter, stronger, faster,

[18:15:22]

directhex:

kormoc, it tests modern photo printers using a small windows logo

[18:15:28]

PatrickDK:

ah that explains iy

[18:15:37]

directhex:

sphery, harder, better, faster, stronger!

[18:15:40]

gbee:

I'll bitch, at least until someone gives me cash for a seperate dev system :)

[18:16:03]

kormoc:

directhex, that's what my last date said!

[18:16:04]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Not unlike the newegg product reviews where the user gets to rate his or her own computing level and everyone sets themselves as "expert."

[18:16:04]

PatrickDK:

gbee if you care that much, maybe you shouldn't be doing dev anything

[18:16:05]

sphery:

gbee: for you I'd be happy to provide one

[18:16:15]

sphery:

talk about a return on investment...

[18:16:15]

PatrickDK:

cause if it's broken, and your bitching, you aren't fixing the problem

[18:16:16]

gbee:

PatrickDK: it was a joke

[18:16:20]

kormoc:

directhex, meh, it's still enough for most people

[18:16:29]

PatrickDK:

gbee, ok, heh, hard to tell sometimes :)

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sphery:

PatrickDK: gbee is one of the most active devs on Myth

[18:16:55]

directhex:

kormoc, it's grossly inadequate and largely useless, but it's whats been accepted as the norm

[18:17:01]

Dagmar:

Pfft.

[18:17:08]

PatrickDK:

ok, heh, I dunno the myth devs :)

[18:17:14]

sphery:

(most-active-currently devs, that is)

[18:17:21]

Dagmar:

Clearly the latest fixes has something in it that needs the newer ivtv

[18:17:27]

PatrickDK:

mainly cause I'm stuck on other projects and don't have time to contribute :(

[18:17:33]

kormoc:

directhex, printers are mostly black boxes. They work or they don't. It's enough to test the 99%

[18:18:01]

sphery:

directhex: is the CUPS test page better?

[18:18:13]

cal_:

iam, oops wrong channel lol

[18:18:14]

directhex:

sphery, yes!

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sphery:

I know nothing of testing printers (other than the something-came-out-so-it-must-work test)

[18:18:34]

iamlindoro:

cal_: Harmonically and Incrementaly related carriers

[18:18:37]

PatrickDK:

guess I need to upgrade my irc lcd to 30", cause the 24" is full, and need more room if I am going have #mythtv open

[18:18:58]

iamlindoro:

cal_: Which google can explain in greater detail, but more or less sliiiiiiiiiightly different frequency tables

[18:19:09]

directhex:

sphery, color pinwheel, grid pattern – that means a full color test and head alignment check on the same sheet. windows makes you print 2 extra sheets for that

[18:19:47]

sphery:

cal_: and, put another way, if you have cable and can tune every channel except 5 or 6, use the other one

[18:19:51]

cal_:

iam: just trying to figure out the right combination for channel scanning. Cable/HRC/IRC then QAM64/128/256 then ... lol

[18:19:53]

sphery:

(US cable, that is)

[18:20:12]

iamlindoro:

GEnerally us-cable and QAM 256

[18:20:29]

iamlindoro:

relatively few exceptions to that, but they do of course exist

[18:20:29]

sphery:

few cable co's use IRC, anymore

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cal_:

oh so hrc/irc only is for channel 5 and 6

[18:20:48]

sphery:

that's primarily where HRC and IRC differ

[18:21:03]

cal_:

i shouldnt have to use either one though, generally?

[18:21:07]

sphery:

the rest of the difference is "handled" by the hardware fine-tuning provided by the capture card

[18:21:24]

iamlindoro:

cal_: Correct. As sphery mentioned, relatively few use either at this point

[18:21:48]

cal_:

kk

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sphery:

yeah, HRC and IRC are basically the same. US cable is probably right for more. If it doesn't work, then use HRC. If channels 5 and 6 don't work, then do IRC.

[18:25:23]

cal_:

it found a bunch of digital channels from 79#1 to 79#8 not sure what the pound sign is, i told it to use underscore. these channels arnt on time warner's channel guide quick reference either heh

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iamlindoro:

They never will be, those are the actual channel numbers, not the "nice" ones cable companies use in their boxes

[18:26:10]

sphery:

cal_: or, if you want to have fun, call your cable company and see how many techs you have to get transferred to before you find someone who knows which cable channel frequency allocation they're using... :)

[18:26:34]

Dagmar:

That's fun for any day of the week

[18:26:49]

cal_:

lol

[18:27:04]

cal_:

if i try to switch to any of these channels i just get a blank screen

[18:27:05]

sphery:

cal_: IIRC the # says, "I couldn't identify this channel based on the information in your DB, so it's likely a duplicate of one you defined with your grabber, so now you need to fix your DB."

[18:27:10]

Puh_:

gbee, i used to run 0.21-fixes that i compiled from sources and at the time i got a different osd message when switching channels in a multiplex than when switching from mplex to another

[18:27:27]

cal_:

sphery, ahh

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Puh_:

now i'm running precompiled mythbuntu debs and a different theme and so forth

[18:27:50]

cal_:

so they must be encrypted?

[18:27:52]

Puh_:

and the quicktune is enabled for livetv

[18:28:08]

sphery:

cal_: the best way is to do the digital channel scan (don't scan for analog), then fix the xmltvid's (use Schedules Direct's channel editor to get them), then populate your analog video sources with "Fetch channels from listings source"

[18:28:23]

iamlindoro:

cal_: No, encrypted cahnnels will only be added if you uncheck the "unencrypted channels only" tickbox... which you shouldn't.

[18:28:24]

sphery:

then run mythfilldatabase to get all the data associated with the right channels.

[18:28:31]

Puh_:

but it seems that the channel switching takes always from 5 to 10 seconds

[18:28:43]

sphery:

cal_: and, if you want to clean up what you have, see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[18:28:47]

Dagmar:

puh: It's always going to take a second or two

[18:28:50]

Puh_:

and i never get "on the same multiplex" -text

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sphery:

cal_: usually Myth can figure out whether the channel is encrypted. no picture could be a variety of problems (with Myth or with your cable company). :(

[18:30:37]

iamlindoro:

cal_: Do you get audio? May the the music channels

[18:30:40]

iamlindoro:

er may be

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iamlindoro:

which display as a black screen and the music channel audio.

[18:31:16]

|DuReX|:

tvtime doesn't work with DVB-T ?

[18:31:21]

sphery:

do the audio-without-video channels still work in Myth (I know they've been hit or miss)

[18:31:23]

cal_:

i will check

[18:31:27]

iamlindoro:

tvtime doesn't work with ANYTHING that outputs MPEG-2

[18:31:45]

iamlindoro:

eg anything DVB

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|DuReX|:

what u can use then for live-tv lol :x

[18:31:53]

sphery:

|DuReX|: VLC should work

[18:32:04]

iamlindoro:

the bajillion things I listed above

[18:32:16]

sphery:

plus those :)

[18:32:30]

iamlindoro:

hehe

[18:32:46]

Dagmar:

|DuReX|: GOOGLE

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sphery:

|DuReX|: or just tell your Myth box to record anything you might ever decide to watch and you'll see the light... :)

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iamlindoro:

user@mythtv ~$ google dvb://

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Terrible instructions, doesn't work for shit ;)

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Dagmar:

That's his problem.

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iamlindoro:

haha

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Dagmar:

People will be asking for help with their rechargable grape polishers next.

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iamlindoro:

Hey, my old man went to college on a grape polishing scholarship

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sphery:

I tried to use mine on a cherry tomato, but it turned it green.

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Dagmar:

F*CK

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iamlindoro:

Used to play AA grape polishing down in Australia

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Dagmar:

I love it when I recycle a kernel config from just two minor releases ago, and the damn kernel won't boot

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sphery:

Did the kernel get outranked by General Protection Fault?

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PatrickDK:

dagmar, you need help :)

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directhex:

iamlindoro, some of us have far better skills – http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/01/27/

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PatrickDK:

I recycle my kernel configs from much older than that

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: I need more X10 power modules

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Haha, nice

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Dagmar:

I can't forcibly power off the Myth box remotely

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sphery:

directhex: did you see the Penny Arcade XBox Live Arcade game on the 360? It's nice!

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Dagmar:

Freakin' 2.6.22 to 2.6.24.5, and it didn't boot back up

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directhex:

sphery, i bought the linux version

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iamlindoro:

The one time it would actually be useful to run anything at all on a Sun box with LOM

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Dagmar:

directhex: I bought it. I'm going to feed the serial to the Linux binary later this week

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directhex:

219M Desktop/rainslickep1_linux_r1.tgz

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Dagmar:

Yep

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directhex:

there's an updated binary out now

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iamlindoro:

a linux version?? For reallies?

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iamlindoro:

Might be worth checking out just as a thanks for the effort

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Dagmar:

Yep

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directhex:

iamlindoro, you can has demo. http://download.playgreenhouse.com/rainslickep1_linux_r2.tgz

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iamlindoro:

I can has demo?

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Dagmar:

Yes, the binary is the demo

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sphery:

cool

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Dagmar:

When you "buy" it you get a serial that unlocks the full version

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iamlindoro:

I'll download now and play when I get home and get some sleeping done

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sphery:

I got the trial on 360...

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directhex:

and at the end of the demo, you can unlock to continue the game

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Dagmar:

Basically, if you like Penny Arcade the webcomic, you'll like the game

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wagner:

iamlindoro: the same serial works on linux, windows, and osx

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kormoc:

is it on Steam?

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** kormoc is a steam whore... **

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Oddly, not yet

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directhex:

kormoc, nein! they have their own digital distriution thing

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directhex:

due to lack of mac/linux steam client

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Dagmar:

Heh yeah I reinstalled Steam this weekend since Episodes One and Two are finally unbundled

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wagner:

their digital distribution is just letting you download a big 217M file

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iamlindoro:

I love steam too

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wagner:

there is no content locking

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iamlindoro:

most games work pretty well w/ Steam under Wine too

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kormoc:

the last 200 games I've bought have been steam games, donno if I really want to break out of that habit given how good it's been

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wagner:

i ended up having to re-purchase some game under steam after i found my hard copy no longer worked after upgrading to windows x64

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iamlindoro:

Whoahhhhh... nobody told me about Ron Gilbert involvement

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iamlindoro:

yay!

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sphery:

don't forget the – in the penny-arcade.com URI

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wagner:

it had the whole starforce thing

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wagner:

of course three weeks after i repurchased it, the developers just decided to release a no-dvd patch

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Dagmar:

Between Steam and the PS3 I'm suprised Comcast hasn't sent thugs to my house

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wagner:

repeatedly deleting and re-downloading things?

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Dagmar:

Together I think those things accounted for about 20G of downloading this weekend

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sphery:

comcast only notices if you use BT

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wagner:

sphery: thats not true

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Dagmar:

sphery: I think they're about to have ME in their faces with legal papers soon if they keep it up

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wagner:

one of my friends got hit about a year and a half ago for using DC++

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iamlindoro:

They're probably madly sending notices to your @comcast.net e-mail which nobody uses :)

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Dagmar:

Sandvine appears to fuck with just about any kind of connection

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wagner:

he was visiting my roommate and i over winter break

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Dagmar:

....so if I can isolate which are the spoofed packets, and see that they're the reason I'm having disconnection issues with World of Warcraft...

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gbee:

Puh_: run mythbackend with -v playback, tell me if it displays the message "On same multiplex"

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sphery:

yeah, just commenting on their throttling P2P users (don't have Comcast--or use P2P--myself, so I'm just talking)

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wagner:

when he got a call from comcast warning him to reduce his service or risk cancellation

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Dagmar:

...someone will have to die.

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wagner:

he had used some 450GB that month, and it was the 20th

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Dagmar:

sphery: Don't even bother saying they're throttling'

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Dagmar:

That would imply some measure of control.

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Dagmar:

Their stuff isn't that fine-grained.

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sphery:

so they're blocking it?

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Dagmar:

They're just flat out spamming FINs

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sphery:

wow

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Puh_:

gbee, it's recording something right now but i'll do that in 20 minutes

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Dagmar:

They're not completely blocking it... they're just hevily interfering with anything that isn't obviously "web" traffic

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sphery:

Not cool. Would be nice if cableco's just invested in the infrastructure upgrades to allow traffic to continue growing (both upstream and downstream)

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Dagmar:

It would be a *massive* black eye for them if someone were to find proof they're screwing with MMO connections.

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gbee:

Puh_: looks like the OSD message part of it was removed, probably at the time multirec was merged, but as long as the backend still prints that message it means the same multiplex tuning still works

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Dagmar:

MMO players do NOT take disconnections lightly

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sphery:

Dagmar: yeah, if you can do that, it might get Blizzard on them...

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Puh_:

gbee, ok, i'll check it later

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Dagmar:

Blizzard would be the least of their troubles..

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Dagmar:

8 million maniac players. THAT's who they shold worry about

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sphery:

too bad Comcast isn't operating in China--that would be another 2 or 3 billion WoW users

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Dagmar:

Not anymore. :)

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Dagmar:

When Age Of Conan released on the 20th, Blizzard gave a very strong hint to the goldfarmers and the botters.

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Dagmar:

"Go play something else".

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Dagmar:

They banned 350,000+ accounts.

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directhex:

more people play WoW in yankland than work in agriculture

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directhex:

why do no politicians campaign in azeroth?

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Dagmar:

Once you've seen /2 Trade chat, you'll know why

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Because generally the people playing trolls in WoW are trolls in real life and there's no real competition for the "lives in mom's basement" vote?

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kormoc:

directhex, why does that stat matter in the least? People who play a game vs people who get paid to do a job? seems a silly thing to compare

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directhex:

iamlindoro, vote ron paul! wake up!

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kormoc:

just hack the diebold machines and win the election that way

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directhex:

kormoc, because one group gets massive attention and pandering. t'other gets laughed at and poked with sticks

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sphery:

but diebold said they can't be hacked, so no sense trying

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iamlindoro:

directhex: He *is* a gynocologist, which means if you get him and all his supports in one room, you'll have exactly one person who has seen a real live vagina.

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Dagmar:

There is a special place in hell for the people at Diebold who make those claims

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kormoc:

sphery, ooh, that's why they allow physical access eh? Who would hack it if they can just walk up to it and change the numbers that way

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, they were all born after all :P

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Dagmar:

The Diebold voting machines are *very* hackable

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Dagmar:

If they put that quality into their ATMs, my money problems would be solved.

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: okay, then the caveat is that you can't have passed your own shoulders through said orifice

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kormoc:

perhaps they do and noone's bothered to check

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sphery:

considering buying OTRSPoD for Linux (or even Windows), I'm having flashbacks to all the time spent trying to make all the parts of the computer work with games from back before I got a console game system... Thinking the game system is easier.

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sphery:

At least then when only the first 2 people in a Burnout Paradise online game can actually talk/hear others, I know there's nothing I can do to fix it (as it's a server problem).

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Dagmar:

What's hard about making the Penny Arcade game work?

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iamlindoro:

Ah that reminds me to get some time in playing GTA IV when I get back, in 20 minute intervals between crashes

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sphery:

Never tried that, but in general, computers require kernel, drivers, libs, and apps to all work in cooperation, so it's much more work than just pushing the on button...

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Dagmar:

You should have gotten the PS3 version then

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sphery:

yeah, I got a 360 because that's what my friends had bought (and since I only play games with friends)

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Dagmar:

I bought the 360 and GTA4, then realized my friends had PS3's so I took the 360 back and got a PS3

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sphery:

yeah, that's the best reason to choose one over the other, IMHO

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Dagmar:

Now if I can just get the fscker to see my Myth box

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sphery:

Of course, the recent Burnout Paradise problems were actually a good thing--they allowed me to convince the group to play Chromehounds for a change (which we hadn't done in ages)

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sphery:

I can get my 360 to see the Myth box, but it won't play MPEG recordings (requires MS WMV format), so it's useless with Myth.

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Dagmar:

I get weird phone calls now that probably disturb the NSA to no end.

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Dagmar:

"Be at Firefly park under the Ferris Wheel at midnight sharp, or else. *click*"

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sphery:

lol

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wagner:

you know, ive often wondered what would happen if once every couple hours, i call someone and just spout out a bunch of random keywords

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sphery:

wagner: try it from a pay phone

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sphery:

though I have to wonder if now, the NSA suspects /everyone/ who uses a pay phone (with the ubiquity of cell phones)

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wagner:

well if it were a payphone, i would have to pay (for one thing), and i would then have to sit and watch said payphone to see if anyone else starts paying attention to it

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wagner:

where if they come to my house, things are a bit more obvious

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wagner:

of course a visit by the NSA could be detrimental in any future needs for a security clearance

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sphery:

that's one way to look at it... Perhaps you should borrow a neighbor's phone, instead.

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wagner:

which is very possible that i might need in my field

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Puh_:

i'm NOT seeing "On same multiplex" when running the backend with -v playback

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Puh_:

on channel change that is

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Dagmar:

sphery: they don't have to worry about the pay phones, since most of them are under video surveillance as well.

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Dagmar:

Anyway, everyone knows only drug dealers use pay phones.

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_abbenormal:

man im a drug dealer now im bad

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_abbenormal:

ok then wheres the money

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wagner:

you know, the only time ive ever used a payphone was in high school

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wagner:

ever since then, ive had a cell phone

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Dagmar:

Terrorises use prepaid cell phones

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_abbenormal:

ive been places my cel dont work and have been forced to use payphone

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wagner:

rather anyone who is worried about being traced uses pre-paid cell phones

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wagner:

you can be paranoid and that doesnt mean youre a terrorist

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_abbenormal:

man im a terroist too i alway thought i was just a cheapass

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wagner:

you can wire a cell phone as a remote microphone and that doesnt mean youre a terrorist

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wagner:

you can wire a cell phone to a bomb and... well i guess that does mean youre a terrorist

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Dagmar:

You don't have to "wire it" for that

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Dagmar:

Get pretty much any SIM-card Motorola phone.

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Dagmar:

"Accidentally" SIM lock it. (i.e., set a security code and then enter it wrong a few times)

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Dagmar:

Then call it.

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Dagmar:

It won't ring. It won't make a PEEP. ...but it *will* pick up and behave like a listening device.

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Dagmar:

Nice "security feature" eh?

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wagner:

well i was thinking 'wiring' would be some automatic pickup setting in the software

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wagner:

i didnt know you had to go through that though

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Dagmar:

Go through what?

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Dagmar:

It's _dead easy_

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wagner:

i know if you have a headset, you can have it automatically pick up without ringing

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Dagmar:

It takes what, 15 seconds to enter the PIN on teh phone wrong a few times

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wagner:

true, i dont know what SIM-lock means though

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Dagmar:

You can call the cell provider, give 'em your billing info, and they'll give you an unlock code

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Dagmar:

It's supposed to protect your phone from being used to make calls if it's stolen

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Dagmar:

Hardly anyone sets the PIN on their cell phones tho

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wagner:

so your phone is now worthless as a phone, but it is now a listening device

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wagner:

can you revert it?

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Dagmar:

Yes. That's what the unlock code your cell provider tells you when you ask is for

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wagner:

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

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wagner:

have you heard about the canadian guy who wants to skydive from 125kft?

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

What a noob

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wagner:

well he tried to do it today, and failed

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justinh:

have you heard about the mythtv noob who read the manual? no? neither have I

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iamlindoro:

Failing at skydiving sounds like the kind of thing you do once

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wagner:

as they filled the balloon, it became boyant enough to support its own weight and floated away

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Dagmar:

Yep. Too stupid to tether it

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wagner:

leaving him and the rest of the team on the ground

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czth:

ahahaa lame

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czth:

in other news, i found a new balloon yesterday, it's very nass, i'm keeping it

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wagner:

nice attempt, but it probably wont come back down for a few weeks

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justinh:

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com . . . ockfirst.jpg – damned lolcats

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kormoc:

wagner, depends on how full it got before it floated off

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Dagmar:

Wow.. $boss asked if i was vegan. I said "no, I'm omnivorous. Anything that isn't moving is fair game." "...and occasionally some things that are still moving." slipped out

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xris:

heh

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Dagmar:

Sooo close to having an HR moment there

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xris:

jello will do that sometimes. :)

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Dagmar:

Redheads, too.

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xris:

lol

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Dagmar:

I already evaded one this morning by turning on another employee.. .Hehe

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xris:

that reminds me of a time when I was in college, working in the computer lab.. one of the food service staff was in printing out a bunch of paperwork about veganism, including a paragraph about why oral sex was ok, because it was "given willingly"

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Dagmar:

TWo of the women here recently gave birth, and a phone closer has been repurposed for breast feeding, but people keep leaving it locked accidentally.

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Dagmar:

I told my boss I had to go unlock the milking room. That definitely confused him.

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Dagmar:

I didn't mean to call it that, but K***** and K*** call it that constantly.

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justinh:

wth does not eating meat have to do with oral sex? is the concept of eating out still foreign to that many people & they think it actually involves *eating* ?!

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xris:

justinh: veganism is a lifestyle, not a diet choice.. no animal products whatsoever. no milk, eggs, honey, wool, leather...

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xris:

and I think it was more targetted at women.

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xris:

and I'll avoid going any further than that, given that this is supposed to be a family-friendly channel. :)

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justinh:

oral sex is not considered an animal 'product' though surely

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justinh:

weirdness

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xris:

justinh: the successful result of it could be.. people *are* animals.

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xris:

I just thought it was funny that someone actually wrote up a whole justification of it.

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xris:

in official paperwork, which the food service staff were using as research material.

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directhex:

justinh, if milk is unacceptable, why is "milk" acceptable?

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justinh:

put like that..

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Dagmar:

directhex: Because they really love you

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directhex:

Dagmar, long time ten dollah?

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justinh:

maybe they base it on purely caloric data :P

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Dagmar:

...or they're just kinky

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** stuarta had a nice juicy steak tonight **

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Dagmar:

0 trans fats and 0 carbs

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stuarta:

cooked so it was still mooing

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justinh:

niiice

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Dagmar:

See, stuarta is a bit late to the party

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** otwin too **

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stuarta:

better late than never eh?

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justinh:

jeebers. my wedding ring is falling off

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justinh:

this weight loss stuff is gonna get expensive

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Dagmar:

So, you're somehow paying more money to eat less?

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justinh:

no, but it's looking like the net result of eating better is having to spend money

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xris:

justinh: I almost lost my ring a couple weeks ago.. it fell off in tall grass, and I didn't notice for several minutes.

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justinh:

still prolly saving more than it'll cost to buy new clothes long term though. was spending up to £5 a day on junk

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directhex:

justinh, finish getting thin, THEN resize jewelry

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justinh:

mmyers

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directhex:

wifeypants is wearing her wedding ring on her middle finger, and it's still falling off. but we're waiting until she's lost more before spending cash on resizes

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justinh:

it's not about getting thin anyhow. it's about living better

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Dagmar:

Directhex: Just wrap some thread around the underside for now

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justinh:

xris: time for a metal detector? my ring wasn't expensive – just a cheapo gold band but it's the crucifixion ..er sentimental value of it

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xris:

I eventually found it.. but yeah, been thinking a metal detector might be useful for next time.

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justinh:

or a lawnmower ;)

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xris:

mine wasn't that expensive ($600 — cheap compared to my wife's), but it's custom

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xris:

lawn mower is the other reason I need the metal detector.. I lost the "key" (fuse) required to run my electric mower...

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justinh:

hahaha

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justinh:

that's irony for you

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xris:

so now I have to wait a week or more for the replacement to show up. meanwhile, my lawn is like 12" deep or more.

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xris:

on an unrelated note, you european types have recommendations for getting a SIM card for my trip in a couple of weeks? should I pick one up here, or wait until I'm in france?

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justinh:

wow. you know, one whole day without the other techy & his flippin iPod & I'm in a good mood & actually almost enjoyed work today. Need many more days without Japan & Fad Gadget

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justinh:

xris: just pick one up at the airport when you land, I'd have thought. be a few euro for a pay as you go card

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xris:

I want one with data, though...

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justinh:

ahh

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xris:

was just wondering if airport fees migh be more than one purchased online here.

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stuarta:

do a bit of research first, and you'll know which one 2 buy

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justinh:

tres expensiv

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xris:

justinh: I found one once that was like $0.03/kb

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xris:

which is fine for basic stuff like email

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stuarta:

internet cafe's are everywhere

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justinh:

I dunno if any European ones are that cheap

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stuarta:

better off having webmail, and using a cafe for an hour or two

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justinh:

heard about a BBC iPlayer user who racked up a massive bill on a roaming data contract

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justinh:

massive.. i.e. thousands of pounds

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Dagmar:

Apple iPhone

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justinh:

free wifi is all over the show. shouldn't be much need for mobile data if it's just for emails & stuff

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justinh:

says he, who has yet to even use wireless for anything...

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directhex:

wireless is handy

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directhex:

it's like the interweb, but without wires!

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justinh:

I should go ahead & buy myself that eeeeeeeeee soon I think. or maybe just a 2nd user laptop

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justinh:

is it worth even buying 2nd hand? hear things about batteries being jiggerred on 2nd hand models

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PatrickDK:

heh

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PatrickDK:

when getting things like cellphones/mp3/laptop/...

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xris:

stuarta: yeah, but google maps while driving is handy.

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PatrickDK:

I always consider the harddrive/batteries need replacement

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stuarta:

xris: renting / buying a satnav isn't to bad either

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xris:

justinh: the iphone I heard was a couple who went to the mediterranean for vacation and came back with thousands of dollars in roaming data charges from their iphones, which were *turned off*... except that you can't actually turn off the iphone.

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xris:

stuarta: yeah, I know.

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** sphery wonders how they make the tubes without wires **

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justinh:

xris: those blender guys managed to turn off their iphone I think

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justinh:

:D

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xris:

that's true. :)

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justinh:

makes a nasty noise & mess when you do that though

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directhex:

blendet created possibly the best piece of marketing this millennium

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directhex:

consider what they spent, versus people *wanting to watch their adverts*

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directhex:

certainly cheaper than hiring an ad agency to run dodgy viral ads. they didn't remotely hide who they were

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justinh:

oh damn just missed a hotukdeal on 4GB eeee for £195 delivered

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xris:

directhex: yeah. but I still bought a vitamix. :)

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stuarta:

nice

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directhex:

and the guy in the will it blend segments is the company founder, not just some random dude

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directhex:

xris, if i had £200 for a blender, and they sold then in europe, i'd probably get one

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directhex:

xris, my first blender broke when i asked it to break *cheesecake*

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justinh:

they're way more than £200 here though

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justinh:

and they ARE sold here

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justinh:

just not widely, hence the ££££

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xris:

directhex: I might buy a blendtek next time.. my vitamix warranty is up soon, but I got them to give me a new blade assembly awhile back, and my current one still has a bit of life in it (apparently the seals aren't designed for use in a dishwasher)

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directhex:

fuck me. £700+!

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directhex:

xris, $1400 for a blender! :o

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Dagmar:

Yes, but if you need to blend hockey pucks on a regular basis, it's your only option.

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Dagmar:

Or, I suppose if you needed to dispose of a body

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directhex:

http://www.ukjuicers.com/commercial/blenders/ . . . Smoother.htm

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justinh:

uhuhuh.. crappy tevion streamy radio thingies for 30 quids

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xris:

directhex: yeah, that's a big expensive.

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xris:

you could probably fly to the US and get one for less. :)

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Dagmar:

Good luck explaining it to customs

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Dagmar:

...but hey, if you ever need to make gravel into a smoothie, you can do it with those.

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justinh:

just say it's for chopping up common or garden fertilisers

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Dagmar:

Definitely don't mention that it can chew up a human thigh in under 30 seconds.

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Dagmar:

"Why did I come to the states to buy this? Well, it was less obvious than a tree-chipper."

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justinh:

best not tell them it has programmable speed presets which will play your favourite prayer music, either

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Dagmar:

hehe

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kormoc:

put a frog in it and call it industrial art?

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Dagmar:

PETA would whine you to pieces

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directhex:

then hide the pieces behind mcdonalds, to attract rats

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Dagmar:

Good thing the warranty means you can probably grind up each and every wackjob hippie that comes to your house to complain

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directhex:

PETA cares for animals*

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directhex:

[*] please ignore the 95% euthanasia rate at PETA facilities

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Dagmar:

Actually, they just like making a stink about it

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lanuser:

Blendtech and Vitamix are nice blenders but I wish they had glass jars instead of Bisphenyl leaching plastic ones

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Dagmar:

They'd be twice as heavy and prone to breaking and slashing your abdomen wide open if they were glass

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lanuser:

True, but I'd never blend hot onions for vindaloo in one of them due to the leeching

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AlsMe:

anyone looking forward to the HD PVR?

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** lanuser doesn't need any estrogen in his bloodstream, even if it's only for 4 hours **

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Dagmar:

Well, you'll be fine as long as you're not feeding what you blend to rats.

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AlsMe:

500 units of the HD PVR are shipping tomorrow :D

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Dagmar:

Oh, and hey... not all plastics use BPA.

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lanuser:

I know, just the plastics in those two blenders and most Nalgene bottles

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Dagmar:

It's the same stuff they make baby bottles out of

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lanuser:

I want one of those blenders very badly though, I've gone through more blenders in the last 5 years than computers

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AlsMe:

do you have any blender recipes that I can try?

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AlsMe:

I've only tried milkshakes before.. and man.. are they amazing!

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lanuser:

I can't believe no one has yelled at us for talking about blenders in #mythtv-users ;)

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Dagmar:

It beats begging to be read to, doesn't it?

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AlsMe:

quick question for you guyx

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AlsMe:

I'm trying to get a mythtv frontend setup .. on win xp

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stuarta:

lanuser: well nobody's got any useful questions so who cares

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AlsMe:

what app should I use

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Dagmar:

A 5 lb sledge

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Dagmar:

Just get your neighbor to come over and smack you right in the temple with it

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AlsMe:

is this an open source sledge?

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AlsMe:

seriously.. any ideas?

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Dagmar:

You can use one of these http://www.anniemayhem.com/blog%20pics/imperial_clue_bat.jpg

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AlsMe:

thanks......

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AlsMe:

I guess I'll check in a different channel

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lanuser:

AlsMe do you mean setup the frontend using X-Forwarding or an actual Win32 port?

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AlsMe:

I mean a win32 port

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Dagmar:

In other words he means "I need someone to shoot me in the face."

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lanuser:

Are you writing one or you have one in mind already?

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AlsMe:

what's with the sarcasm

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lanuser:

MinGW might help

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Dagmar:

Sarcasm?

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Dagmar:

No sarcasm here. Just pure, unadulterated derision.

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lanuser:

Dagmar – I though the EU and UK banned BPA in baby bottles

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AlsMe:

Dagmar, are you intentionally being annoying or are you just mentally this way

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stuarta:

AlsMe: the win32 port is pre-alpha

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Dagmar:

AlsMe: I could ask you the same thing.

[21:33:16]

Dagmar:

Have you even bothered to read the MythTV FAQ?

[21:33:17]

Dagmar:

No.

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AlsMe:

someone asks you a clear question.. and you start linking me to baseball bats

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Dagmar:

When you turn around and do the EXACT thing I'm talking about?

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stuarta:

AlsMe: you have to build the win32 frontend from source, and use a lots of hope and the 5lb hammer

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Dagmar:

...basically, ask someone to read something off a web page to you because you're too lazy to look it up yourself?

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Dagmar:

Hell yeah I'm going to link cluebats

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** stuarta suspects Dagmar is grumpy today **

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AlsMe:

you must be like 8.. maybe 9 years old..

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Dagmar:

You must be projecting.

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Dagmar:

Alsme: Read. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . n_Windows.3F

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** sutula doesn't see any reason that Dagmar needs to be personally insulting, especially when nobody has complained that he's been off topic for the past hour :-| **

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Dagmar:

sutula: Perhaps you should read more carefully. I didn't call anyone a child.

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Dagmar:

Part of the reason there's no really active Win32 port of MythTV is because regular lazy Linux users are bad enough

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dustybin:

somone replied to my zoneminder post, this guy thinks i will be fine with 2x axis cameras on my wireless network: http://www.zoneminder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11738

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dustybin:

im negx

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wagner:

if you can actually push 108mbps over it, you can put a dozen cameras without a problem

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dustybin:

"Eventually I'm sure Zoneminder will support MPEG4" ..interesting?!

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** dustybin wonders what this has got to do with mythtv :P the mythzoneminder plugin!! **

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Dagmar:

That might be arrow-shooting with sufficient values for "eventually"

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wagner:

but are the cameras the same brand as the router?

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wagner:

if not, youre probably going to be limited to the default 54mbps mode

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directhex:

mythtv runs fine on windows! honest!

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wagner:

and then, youre only going to get about 20–25mbps sustainable throughput

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dustybin:

wagner: i managed to get my mac laptop to download at a speed of 720kbps

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Dagmar:

directhex: Especially pungent to me was use of the word "trying". This would imply some actual work had been done.

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dustybin:

i need to double check

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directhex:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . tv-win32.JPG

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directhex:

Dagmar, looks fine to me!

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dustybin:

is justinh here or has he quit with a insulting quit message :P

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AlsMe:

directhex, this is on what M.S OS?

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Dagmar:

directhex: Yah, you've damned yourself now

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directhex:

Dagmar, you assume i'll actually help. given it took me 3 solid days, took 3 gig of disk space, much hacking on win32_packager.pl, and was still as unstable as hell

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Dagmar:

lol

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wagner:

it works great on Windows Veranda

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directhex:

mostly i'm just mocking. like a mocking mocker

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AlsMe:

did you write a guide directhex?

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directhex:

but that's a vanilla xp system

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directhex:

AlsMe, here's ready for use by the public: |

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Dagmar:

Alsme: you *really* have no idea just how far that rabbit hole goes.

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directhex:

here's where win32 myth is: <-

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directhex:

AlsMe, mythtv 0.21 does not support windows. curious perversions aside.

[21:47:37]

Dagmar:

Or, to put it another way... hold up two of your fingers about an inch apart

[21:47:45]

directhex:

tee hee

[21:47:52]

directhex:

get a pen or pencil

[21:48:06]

Dagmar:

Now, with a very sharp pair of shears or bolt cutter, remove one of those fingers, put it in a small box, and mail it to Waukeegeegee, Wisconsin.

[21:48:40]

wagner:

going a different route.... are there any freeware, or better yet, directshow DLNA clients for windows?

[21:48:49]

AlsMe:

okay, so basically I can't watch live tv on an xp box.. but I should be able to drag the files off the backend to my XP frontend

[21:48:53]

directhex:

wagner, windows media player!

[21:48:54]

wagner:

freeware programs or dshow filters

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wagner:

windows media player does it.... on vista

[21:49:21]

AlsMe:

use the k-lite codecs pack

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directhex:

hang on, hang on

[21:49:29]

wagner:

if you dont have vista, microsoft rapes you in the ass, and the still refuses to give you dlna support

[21:49:34]

Dagmar:

wagner: Yuck. Not to upset you or anyting, but look at http://www.dlna.org/home

[21:49:38]

directhex:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005&page=8

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kormoc:

any upnp client should work

[21:49:42]

directhex:

paragraph 3 onwards

[21:49:42]

Dagmar:

"Vertical Integration is Key to Successful Internet-Television Convergence – ABI Research"

[21:49:54]

Dagmar:

Note that vertical integration is a type of monopoly.

[21:50:14]

directhex:

BT Vision!

[21:50:16]

Dagmar:

Isn't it great they embrace an open market there? (so they can more easily crush it)

[21:50:43]

Dagmar:

I've been saying for like two years now this thing reeks of monopoly, but I didn't expect to see it being bragged about like that

[21:51:56]

directhex:

paragraph 3 of my link covers multiple bases for myth/win32

[21:51:58]

wagner:

WMP will work, if you have Vista

[21:52:11]

wagner:

the windows mythtv player will work, on the primary monitor only

[21:52:38]

wagner:

im not going to touch itunes, besides the fact that it will only stream audio, and even then you have to have a special program to do so

[21:52:53]

directhex:

so you want multi-monitor, on an old os?

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directhex:

there are plenty of payware upnp clients, since no suggestions so far are good enough

[21:53:22]

wagner:

VLC and winamp were supposed to be able to use some free cyberlink plugin, but i have yet to find somewhere i can actually get said plugin

[21:53:37]

Dagmar:

However, whether or not your Myth box will pay any heed to uPnP queries is anyone's guess

[21:53:54]

directhex:

sure it will. until the upnp code randonly dies

[21:54:04]

Dagmar:

I'm going to try three v's tonight, and see if that gets me anything useful

[21:54:13]

Dagmar:

I know the box is seeing the uPnP packets.

[21:54:29]

Dagmar:

I know it can understand them for what they are because -v pnp is pretty clear about it.

[21:54:40]

Dagmar:

What I *don't* know is why it IGNORES them, all the @#$@ time.

[21:54:45]

Dagmar:

Doesn't even try to respond

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wagner:

i have a copy of nero, but i havent even bothered trying to use its player

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wagner:

because its player doesnt actually seem to have a windowed mode

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Dagmar:

Wow

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Dagmar:

I just got hate mail. heh

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clever:

congrats!

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wagner:

that means youve finally hit the big times

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stuarta:

or the grumpiness has come back to get him

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clever:

im still at the viagra spam level:P

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stuarta:

what, no nigerian spam?

[21:59:14]

clever:

not in the text spam

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wagner:

ive managed to get warnings from spam filters

[21:59:21]

clever:

some of the spam is nothing but 3 images

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clever:

and i have to load the images(which may include my email in url) to even see what the heck it is

[21:59:40]

wagner:

someone was sending spam addressed from me

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AlsMe:

okay, I read through the "mythtv frontend for Windows" guide.. and it says that everything for the frontend in Windows works fine except the scheduling.. well, couldn't do the scheduling through remote desktop to the back end

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kormoc:

clever, no you don't. What real email you would get would just be 3 pictures from a stranger?

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AlsMe:

couldn't I*

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kormoc:

AlsMe, or mythweb

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clever:

kormoc: none:P, its 3 images of the same size and aligned so they fit together as one

[22:00:41]

clever:

which gets arround the spam filter for a single img tag

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stuarta:

clever: that just puts you on the spammers "clueless l0s3rs" list of those that read their crap

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clever:

gives it some meat to the body

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AlsMe:

anyone getting the HD PVR?

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wagner:

i know several people ordered one

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wagner:

i dont know if any have shipped yet

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AlsMe:

first shipment is tomorrow

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AlsMe:

500 units

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wagner:

so they moved it back a second time?

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AlsMe:

I think they did this severaly times.. but the actually confirmed that its shipping tomorrow (today)

[22:03:42]

wagner:

well the first official date was beginning of may

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wagner:

and when that came, and went, they told people who had preordered that it would be mid-may

[22:04:27]

AlsMe:

yea...

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AlsMe:

ohh well.. it should be here tomorrow

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wagner:

oh, so it already has shipped, its on its way

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AlsMe:

shipping tomorrow.. that's what I said lol

[22:05:29]

AlsMe:

well see tho.. they better not change the date again

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wagner:

well then you said it should arrive tomorrow

[22:05:31]

AlsMe:

I'm gonna be pissed

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Dagmar:

I wonder if having the cases changed to say "DON'T SUE US" is going to have any effect.

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p3nguin:

I can't seem to get sound from my MythTV installation. I have two frontend machines (the local backend/frontend box, and also a second frontend-only), and the volume control indicates that I can turn the volume up and down, but no sound comes out. If I use TVtime on the box with the tuner, it produces sound, so I know the sound is working on a hardware level.

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Dagmar:

Use `speaker-test -c 2 -t wav`

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Dagmar:

If you're using tv-time, it's more likely you're just hearing the pass-thry from the line input.

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Dagmar:

s/thry/thru/;

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p3nguin:

speaker-test works

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Dagmar:

Then you need to correctly configure sound on the frontend

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p3nguin:

I currently configured it to ALSA:default

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Dagmar:

There's more settings than that on that configuration page.

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p3nguin:

I have it up... can you advise me where to look for additional audio configuration?

[22:58:28]

p3nguin:

Oh, you meant the other settings on that page?

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p3nguin:

The other settings should be okay. Passthrough device is default, upmix is passive, channels set to stereo, and I don't have SPDIF stuff.

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p3nguin:

The tuner card uses an external line out -> line in for sound; it doesn't carry audio with the video. Can that have any effect on this problem?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, if you neglected to tell Myth how to use the tuner card so that it knows to record from line input

[23:05:59]

Dagmar:

So, take one of those mpg files and play it on some other machine that you know can play mpg files

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p3nguin:

I'm new to MythTV. I don't know what mpeg file you are talking about.

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xris:

p3nguin: are your recording files .mpg or .nuv? sounds like you have a framegrabber card

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p3nguin:

I haven't intentionally recorded anything yet, because I don't get any sound from live TV.

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dustybin:

mythtv is clever, the mpeg files are all saved with serial numbers, but if you do a direct download, its human readable :-)#

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AlsMe:

does mythtv only use mpeg?

[23:12:20]

AlsMe:

because the HD PVR streams to h264.. won't that be an issue?

[23:12:33]

directhex:

1) h264 would be mpeg4 part 10

[23:12:45]

xris:

p3nguin: livetv is a recording...

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directhex:

2) mythtv records streams as-is if they are streams, or encodes framegrabber streams to an mpeg4 of some kind (or to rtjpeg) in a custom container format

[23:13:16]

p3nguin:

Okay, my storage directory has some .nuv files in it.

[23:13:31]

xris:

p3nguin: you need to reread the documentation section that talks about setting up your sound card for a framegrabber card. you basically need to mark a specific input for "record" mode.. right now, the input is muted so mythtv can't record any sound from it.

[23:13:53]

dustybin:

when UK eventually goes HD then one can start to learn how to transcode

[23:15:16]

p3nguin:

xris: Is this the right documentation? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

[23:15:19]

Lynet:

When the world goes HD, we will all curse no-unencrypted-digital-outputs, unstable stb boxes, cablecard (and EU / other region equivalents).

[23:15:46]

directhex:

Lynet, the EU equivalent is open and works in myth

[23:16:01]

xris:

p3nguin: that's it.

[23:16:05]

directhex:

Lynet, the problem is companies which bypass it, and enforce their own proprietary takes on the mechanism

[23:16:28]

dustybin:

my dad had to return his SKY+ box for a replacement after using it for just a few months

[23:16:29]

p3nguin:

Thanks. Give me a few minutes to read it and see if it makes sense to me.

[23:16:33]

AlsMe:

directhex, thanks

[23:16:59]

directhex:

dustybin, that's normal. sky+ boxes have a shelf life of a few months

[23:17:21]

directhex:

dustybin, sky would be one of the anti-standards brigade

[23:17:27]

dustybin:

aye

[23:17:30]

AlsMe:

Lynet.. that's why you use the "HD PVR"

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dustybin:

craigs list!! i knew there was something i wanted to look at this evening :-)

[23:18:40]

Lynet:

AlsMe: Good point.

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nludlam:

Hey GreyFoxx, I think it was you, but thanks for recommending using ffmpeg to remultiplex a TS into a PS. It's much more reliable than the replex tool I was using

[23:19:39]

Lynet:

dustybin: If you watch craigs list, do you sell stuff on schindler's list?

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dustybin:

:-P

[23:20:19]

** dustybin wipes fish paste on Lynets nose **

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AlsMe:

directhex, I've tried the mythtv frontend on WIndows (like you) .. and I'm getting 'Unable to connect to database!' lol

[23:21:42]

AlsMe:

did have/ fix this issue ..

[23:21:59]

AlsMe:

did you have / fix*

[23:22:03]

directhex:

AlsMe, there's no possible way you compiled all of qt et al in the time i've been playing gta4

[23:22:34]

AlsMe:

no I got the compiled code of the net

[23:22:51]

AlsMe:

I wasn't gonna spend hours doing it myself

[23:23:26]

directhex:

who on earth is distributing binaries?

[23:23:26]

AlsMe:

off the net*** I mean

[23:24:14]

AlsMe:

one of my buddies placed the binary on his ftp server why?

[23:24:28]

directhex:

because it needs 3 gig of space to work properly?

[23:24:38]

AlsMe:

yea... that's his prob

[23:24:38]

directhex:

libmythtv-0.21 is 150 meg by itself

[23:24:50]

AlsMe:

he's a good friend.. what can I say lol

[23:24:56]

AlsMe:

anyways.. did you get this error?

[23:25:04]

AlsMe:

'Unable to connect to database!'

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kormoc:

sure qt is installed right?

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directhex:

i am absolutely, categorically, NOT helping you with some unknown win32 build, where you lack even the ability to build it. perhaps i wasn't clear earlier. perhaps i need to repaste.

[23:26:06]

directhex:

<directhex> AlsMe, here's ready for use by the public: |

[23:26:07]

directhex:

<directhex> here's where win32 myth is: <-

[23:26:45]

AlsMe:

hey.. you tried this urself.. all I wanted was a quick "ohh yea, I got that error too.. look into this" .. if you don't know that's cool

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kormoc:

directhex, *I* have no idea what you're attempting to say there

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directhex:

do i have an idea how to fix it? maybe. but i'm not offering support. really.

[23:27:17]

AlsMe:

ahhh

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directhex:

mysql.txt needs to be in a moronic location

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directhex:

that location is mandated by the path you compiled from inside

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AlsMe:

k thanks.. I'll look into that

[23:29:26]

directhex:

on top of that you need to ensure libqmysql.dll is in about twelve different places

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directhex:

frankly, the entire thing was an academic exercize. 0.21 is not for use on win32, it's completely unusable

[23:30:32]

directhex:

i just wanted to prove i could

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AlsMe:

well if your saying "completely unusable" then I may as well just quit right here

[23:33:17]

directhex:

there are no plugins, it'll crash if you sneeze, livetv will randomly break on 90% of channels, and A/V sync is broken & unfixable

[23:33:24]

directhex:

if you can look past those, then it's usable

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CCFL_Man2:

someone get me an intellistar

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AlsMe:

that almost not worth my time

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AlsMe:

that's*

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AlsMe:

just that my ati x1400 video drivers don't run HD feeds that well in Linux

[23:35:48]

directhex:

and you think windows will be better why?

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directhex:

you think mythtv 0.21 has specific support for AVIVO GPU offloading?

[23:36:46]

AlsMe:

well I don't want to buy a new laptop just because the Linux video drivers won't show smooth HD

[23:36:58]

directhex:

despite the marketing, radeons don't magic HD out of nowhere. media player apps need specific support for ATI's method of GPU acceleration

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dustybin:

the

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dustybin:

Axis 213 PTZ is the best featured camera ive ever seen

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directhex:

really? how about the RED ONE?

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dustybin:

http://www.ipcamerasupply.com/images/Axis213_0220-004.JPG <-- that is QUALITY

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directhex:

feh. it's an ip camera.

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** dustybin sings 'if i was a rich man, laa la laa laa' **

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wagner:

looks ok, but what kind of video does it take?

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dustybin:

JPEG + MPEG-4

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wagner:

i mean quality

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dustybin:

http://www.axis.com/products/cam_213/

[23:40:14]

dustybin:

esolutions up to 704x576 at up to 25 fps (PAL) or 704x480 at 30 fps (NTSC)

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wagner:

so at best, 480i

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wagner:

plus it has a tiny 1/4" CCD for low quality

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dustybin:

zoneminder can fully control the PTZ feature

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wagner:

so its a full featured, expensive control module for an otherwise crappy camera

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dustybin:

well there isnt much else to choose from

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dustybin:

AXIS are meant to make decent bits of kit

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dustybin:

and zoneminder supports just about all the axis range

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wagner:

seems to have decent optics... 26x zoom plus IR light

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dustybin:

yeah

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wagner:

my complaint is that its absolutely ridiculous to charge those prices for something like that

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dustybin:

if you look around, you wont find anything cheaper

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wagner:

just grab a wifi-enabled point-and-shoot, scavage a couple of cheap servos and some rs232 controllers, and you can have just the same functionality for about $300

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wagner:

theyre charging you $1200 for some software, a case, and some nice optics

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wagner:

and you get shitty resolution to boot

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dustybin:

wagner: there is also this, there are zoneminder drivers around what can control the PTZ functions

[23:48:02]

wagner:

right, but im sure you can hack together zoneminder drivers for whatever rs232 hardware you build for your homebrew solution

[23:48:17]

wagner:

im saying there is no reason for them to cost that much

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dustybin:

http://trendnet.com/langen/products/proddetai . . . W&cat=48

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dustybin:

^^ that is a lot cheaper than the axis, but not as good

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dustybin:

its an ugly beast too

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wagner:

as far as i can tell, it has less capable optics, and less capable software

[23:50:21]

wagner:

but besides that, its the same thing

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dustybin:

forget the software, these all work with zoneminder

[23:51:18]

wagner:

basically, i dont understand why for $1500, you're not getting DSLR quality images

[23:51:31]

wagner:

by software, i mean the firmware that runs the device

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dustybin:

ok

[23:51:47]

cal_:

anyone have a 4250 HDC?

[23:52:29]

wagner:

those things are large enough that they should have no trouble cramming a 2" chip in there

[23:52:31]

dustybin:

wagner: there is nearly a live demo but its not working :-(

[23:52:49]

wagner:

you get much better resolution, much better quality images, much better low light capability

[23:53:32]

wagner:

or is that the difference, the cheap ones are just cheap CCDs, while the expensive ones have custom low light CCDs

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dustybin:

wagner: i havent a clue, there are live demos of those cameras on Trendnets website, the quality looks good

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wagner:

ok, thats the difference, theyre special low light CCDs.... http://www.geovision-bg.com/kameri/exview.html

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dustybin:

interesting

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p3nguin:

I got it all fixed up now. I just needed to capture the line input for the sound to work.

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directhex:

yes, that's what was said

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p3nguin:

It was a little tricky since alsamixer has a separate capture section which is configurable. The line in doesn't support simply turning on capture for it on the normal line in device.

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sphery:

s/b c

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