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Saturday, May 24th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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bmead:

I have heard rumors that cable boxes have been designed to cripple the resolution of the analog component video outputs and only allow full resolution HD-TV on the HDMI port. Does anyone know if these rumors are true?

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Dagmar:

We need a bot to msg people on join saying "No, support for that isn't in yet, and if you ask, we will pummel you."

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Dagmar:

...or piossibly "kill your dog"

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kormoc:

bmead, that's called HDCP, and yes, if it's a HDCP device, it can do that

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Dagmar:

bmead: It's not a "rumor". It's a half-truth.

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Dagmar:

Publishers can require HDCP (which is HDMI only. obviously) and if an HDCP-compliant device isn't on the other end, then it will downsample the media to 720p

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Dagmar:

You can bet that _cable boxes_ are going to disable component-output entirely soon enough.

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Dagmar:

The MPAA is already looking to renege on that part of the agreements wiht the FCC.

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Dagmar:

They're asking for the ability to turn off analog component outputs *entirely* for "some premium content"

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Dagmar:

Yay monopolies.

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Dagmar:

They'll drive me blackhat again soon enough at this rate.

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bmead:

I have a device called an HD-Fury that can make RGB or VGA signals out of HDMI, but it doesn't get the sound out of the HDMI. I have seen devices that can convert RGB to Y Pr Pb signals. If they don't turn the sound outputs off I might have a way to get around the HDMI problem.

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bmead:

The supreme court ruled in 1983 that recording of TV is "Fair Use" and legal, I don't see how MPAA or Hollywood can take away our Supreme Court sanctioned rights, with technology. It is just not right.

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cout:

I had to replace my HD in my mythtv box

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cout:

I saved all the recordings and the mythconverg database and I want to restore the recordings

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cout:

but I've already recorded some programs on the new HD

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cout:

so when I try to restore the record table, I get conflicts for the recordid

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cout:

any ideas?

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Dagmar:

Look in the contrib directory

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Dagmar:

Pray.

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Dagmar:

Then backup your NEW database, overwrite all the recording data in it with what you import, then run myth.rebuilddatabase.pl from the contrib/ directory and HOPEFULLY it'll pick up on the recordings you newly made which were orphaned when you did the import

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Dagmar:

...or maybe just back up the new recording mpgs, then delete them in the frontend, and worry a bit less about what you trample when you import the old data and recordings

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Dagmar:

The system wasn't meant do what you're trying. tehre's likely to be no clean fix

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squish103:

any1 use a dlink DSM-510 as a upnp frontend to mythtv?

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Dagmar:

squish103: Try ##dlink

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cout:

dagmar: interesting

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cout:

what would happen if I add 5000 to the recordid of the new recordings? will that cause problems?

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Dagmar:

Hell if I know

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Dagmar:

I know better than to manually diddle with the database.

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PatrickDK:

heh, I dunno, and I edit the db all the time :)

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cout:

I really don't like the format of the file that mysqldump creates

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Dagmar:

What, plaintext gives you issues?

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rooaus:

cout: You clould change it if you like... but then it may not be as useful. :)

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cout:

well one line per insert and not emitting column names by default

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Dagmar:

It doesn't need to.

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PatrickDK:

that is the default, not the only way

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PatrickDK:

and mysqldump does it that way, cause it FASTER to re-insert it

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PatrickDK:

and that is what matters to people

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PatrickDK:

not how readable it is, if you want readable, use the options, that is what they are there for

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cout:

I don't see an option to emit linefeeds between rows

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Dagmar:

That's because linefeeds stopped being used back in 1995

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PatrickDK:

you don't insert linefeeds per row

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PatrickDK:

you have it do an insert per row

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cout:

ooh, how do I do that?

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PatrickDK:

man mysqldump

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cout:

hmm, --help was so helpful I didn't think of that

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cout:

it doesn't format properly on 80x25

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cout:

hmm, doesn't seem to be a way to do it

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GreyFoxx:

anyone know of any sample mkv's online? Specifically small clips that would include subtitles ?

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Aval0n:

hey guys

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Aval0n:

anyone know if the movie times feature is broken in 21-fixes?

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Aval0n:

I heard that the server for ignyte moved from www.ignyte.com to just ignyte.com...

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Aval0n:

but I updated www.ignyte.com to ignyte.com in my /etc/hosts

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Aval0n:

same errors

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leprechau:

on my recent 21-fixes

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leprechau:

movie times crashes mythfrontend

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leprechau:

i can't even use it anymore

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Aval0n:

try doing what I just mentioned

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Aval0n:

point www.ignyte.com to ignyte.com in your /etc/hosts

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Aval0n:

brb testing mine again

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leprechau:

you know that makes 0 difference

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leprechau:

www.ignyte.com or ignyte.com

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leprechau:

they both resolve to the exact same IP address

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leprechau:

;; ANSWER SECTION:

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leprechau:

www.ignyte.com. 3600 IN A 199.231.149.130

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leprechau:

ignyte.com. 3600 IN A 199.231.149.130

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leprechau:

exactly the same

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Aval0n:

I read a forum saying the problem was they dropped the www

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Aval0n:

ip doesn't mean everything

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Aval0n:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/230240

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Aval0n:

mine doesn't crash

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Aval0n:

it just gives me by theatre or by movie

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Aval0n:

I hit ok on either

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Aval0n:

does absolutely nothing

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Aval0n:

but doesn't crash

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Aval0n:

works from command line for me though

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Aval0n:

ignyte --zip 97202 --radius 5 works

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MinDKrime:

bummer, I can not seem to get the new HD over FireWire :(

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Aval0n:

woot

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Aval0n:

mine works now

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Aval0n:

though on some movies the times aren't wrapping

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Aval0n:

so the last showing I see is 4:58om

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Aval0n:

pm

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Aval0n:

but if I go to liste by movie instead of theatre if formats it a little different.

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MinDKrime:

can you change the channel over FireWire but record over coax?

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GreyFoxx:

you could if you configured and extrnal channel changer script

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MinDKrime:

you know what script that is? I use one now with a irblaster, but sometimes is misses a number

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GreyFoxx:

I mean you would have to write one :)

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MinDKrime:

Rofl, I might have to do that :)

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GreyFoxx:

there is source for a firewire channel changr app in the myth source contrib dirs you could use with it

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MinDKrime:

ok cool... thx :)

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tjcarter:

haha, Hillary stepped in it bigtime.. Her hubby didn't wrap up his nomination in '92 until June. Kennedy was assasinated in June...

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tjcarter:

CLINTON PLANNING TO ASSASINATE OBAMA IN JUNE

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tjcarter:

I know Clintons Don't Lose, but damn, just hand the media a sword to skewer you with ;)

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** tjcarter thinks he needs to move to .au, .us is doomed ;) **

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MinDKrime:

?

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tjcarter:

MinDKrime: Political circus.

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MinDKrime:

ahh...

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tjcarter:

MinDKrime: Hillary said something that the truly fanatical conspiracy nutcases are going to interpret as her plan to assassinate her competition because as we all know, Clintons Don't Lose.

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tjcarter:

MinDKrime: I figure it can only get worse from here.

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grndslm:

is it just me or does myth + hardy + pvr1500 = more blur/jitter??

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tjcarter:

I figure moving to where people are upside down might get me far enough away from this silliness that's so bad you have to laugh at it or you'll cry..

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MinDKrime:

I hear you... I am worried too

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nflava:

anyone want to help me get my tv card working with myth tv? its a tv wonder pro

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camilla:

Have bought a Hauppauge PVR-150 card. Works fine in Windows Vista. Get my channels. But MythTV can't find any channel when I scan. What am I doing wrong? I thought this should be simple. Am leaving in sweden and in windows is getting my channel by setting wintv to "cable". I have scanned all freqences twice without finding any channels

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camilla:

leaving. hehe... living :-)

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bombuxp:

camilla?

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camilla:

bombuxp, yes, hello

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bombuxp:

what input is mythv using?

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camilla:

bombuxp, I thought, maybe I shouldn't be using PAL. Instead using PAL-BK or something. I don't understand the differens so..

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camilla:

Input. I guess you mean /dev/video0?

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bombuxp:

tuner 0, etc.

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bombuxp:

oh

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bombuxp:

I guess it might be source

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camilla:

Yeah, its on.. ehh. tuner 1

[06:09:48]

bombuxp:

what does ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -n tell you?

[06:10:14]

bombuxp:

you have the ivtv drivers?

[06:10:29]

camilla:

bombuxp, No, installing...

[06:10:48]

bombuxp:

are you sure? I dont think video0 should be there if they arent on

[06:11:05]

bombuxp:

They should come with the kernel, but aren't usually on by default

[06:11:11]

camilla:

I mean, I didn't have ivtvctl

[06:11:15]

bombuxp:

oh

[06:11:20]

camilla:

its fixed now

[06:11:24]

bombuxp:

what?

[06:11:34]

camilla:

sudo apt-get install ivtv-utils :)

[06:12:13]

bombuxp:

by fixed do you mean that mythtv works now or just that you have the tools?

[06:12:26]

camilla:

Just that I have the tool ivtvctl

[06:12:38]

bombuxp:

ok, what does ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -n tell you?

[06:12:51]

camilla:

It complains about the -n. Removing it and I get nothing as output

[06:13:27]

bombuxp:

maybe the syntax has changed since then, just a sec.

[06:14:31]

camilla:

here is the output of dmesg | grep ivtv -> http://pastebin.com/d460ef635

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camilla:

bombuxp, where are you from bombuxp ?

[06:15:29]

bombuxp:

the command has changed, so I'm trying to find out the new way to list inputs/outputs

[06:16:26]

bombuxp:

Canada

[06:18:02]

bombuxp:

camilla: what does ivtvctl /dev/video0 -I do?

[06:18:22]

bombuxp:

it should list some stuff. (I think maybe the inputs)

[06:18:54]

camilla:

bombuxp, ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -I does not output anything

[06:18:59]

bombuxp:

odd

[06:19:09]

camilla:

bombuxp, Maybe ivtv-tune is the command you are looking for?

[06:19:49]

bombuxp:

you could try tuning to a known channel. actually, that probably should have been the first thing to try. (I never even thought of it)

[06:20:12]

Aval0n:

if you are leaving what is the rush to get i fixed :)

[06:20:40]

camilla:

Aval0n, hue?

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camilla:

bombuxp, And how do I do this?

[06:23:38]

bombuxp:

you said it was on tuner1 correct? I saw something that said most cards use tuner0. (the reason I wanted to see the list of inputs was to see what was available)

[06:24:19]

bombuxp:

It almost seems like it might be on a wrong input or something.

[06:24:42]

camilla:

yes, tuner 1 does mythtv say. Does not seems like I can choose tuner0.

[06:25:41]

bombuxp:

you are using a direct hookup from your cable source or is it passed through a box?

[06:26:11]

camilla:

bombuxp, Directly from the wall. The signal is analog

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bombuxp:

Is there a broadcast frequency or channel frequency table setting? (I'm not on my mythtv pc or I'd check myself)

[06:30:28]

iamlindoro:

Yes, there is a frequency setting which defaults to "us-broadcast" which is likely the problem here

[06:30:49]

iamlindoro:

camilla needs to change the scan frequency to one appropriate for his/her region before scanning.

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camilla:

iamlindoro, I have choosed "try-all".

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camilla:

And it did not return any channels

[06:33:12]

iamlindoro:

It's possible Myth doesn't contain analong tuning frequencies for your country, but I don't know.

[06:33:31]

camilla:

maybe

[06:34:41]

iamlindoro:

Channel scanning isn't generally advisable for analog tuners, anyway, it's better to set up your listings grabber and to fetch the channels from the listing source.

[06:35:30]

iamlindoro:

But if myth doesn't have a frequency table for your locale, the point may be moot anyway

[06:35:47]

iamlindoro:

Thought Sweden was all DVB by now

[06:36:32]

iamlindoro:

If you *really* run into trouble, if you have a set top box for your location, you could always capture the analog outs of that via S-video or composite.

[06:37:02]

camilla:

iamlindoro, listings grabber.. hmm.. It does exist. http://tv.swedb.se/ is having freqence list for my country. But I don't really know how to use it

[06:37:21]

camilla:

its in xmltv format

[06:37:34]

camilla:

is this some kind of listing grabber?

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iamlindoro:

xmltv is a listings source, yes.

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bombuxp:

Sorry for not being of any help camilla. I gotta go.

[06:38:37]

camilla:

bombuxp, Thanks

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camilla:

Am gonna start getting that list...

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /062636.html

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iamlindoro:

tv_grab_se is the name of your xmltv grabber, for reference. You ought to be able to google for that and find useful information.

[06:41:22]

camilla:

iamlindoro, Thanks for the guidens. Gonna get that list. :-)

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iamlindoro:

Now I'll never know what list he or she was talking about

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iamlindoro:

I'm likely to die of anticipation.

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camilla:

iamlindoro, Do get this tv_grab_se, what do I have todo?

[06:54:20]

camilla:

iamlindoro, Do I need to download something? Or is it just a setting somewhere in mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

camilla: Each grabber is different-- I don't even need a grabber where I live, you're on your own

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iamlindoro:

you need to download and install it...

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camilla:

okej. i see

[06:56:08]

camilla:

iamlindoro, On one place, it says mythtv 0.17 and above has tv_grab_se already build in. Do I still have to download something?

[06:56:50]

iamlindoro:

xmltv grabbers need to be installed, myth includes xmltv support but not the grabbers.

[06:57:15]

iamlindoro:

on most debian based distros this is as simple as installing the xmltv package.

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camilla:

iamlindoro, aha, okej

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camilla:

iamlindoro, Okay, I have downloaded the channel grabber and the special channels.xml.gz file. But it does not contain the channel number. What is this? Why can't mythtv just scan my freqences? Why should it be so hard to tune in channels??!!

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iamlindoro:

a) As I have told you twice I do not live in a country that uses xmltv, so you should do some googling. b) If you expect someone to solve all of your problems instead of doing research on your own, mythTV may not be for you. c) How can Myth "just scan your frequencies" if it has no information on frequencies in your location?

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camilla:

iamlindoro, your right. It does exist so many freqences so it may be to much for mythtv. I have found a list on a site. http://pastebin.com/d62311ffa How can I in a easy way test these different channel numbers for a picture?

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gbee:

according to this – http://en.kingofsat.net/hdtv.php – National Geographic UK HD, is available FTA on Atlantic Bird 1, anyone know if that's true?

[09:03:49]

gbee:

I'm not about to stick up a second dish just to reach it, but I'm curious

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gbee:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a966 . . . -trials.html

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directhex:

gbee, http://www.lyngsat.com/ab1.html

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directhex:

11185 V tp B6

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gbee:

looks true then, it's unencrypted on Atlantic Bird 1

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directhex:

are you under AB1's footprint tho?

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directhex:

75cm dish minimum if you're in the south

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directhex:

120cm if you're oop norf

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gbee:

not going to bother trying to get it

[10:01:49]

gbee:

unless the lack of encryption is an oversight, I suppose there is the possibility that they'll go unencrypted on other sats ....

[10:02:09]

** gbee says with just a little nievety and wishful thinking **

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directhex:

unlikely

[10:03:23]

directhex:

renting a transponder on Astra2 costs *more* to be unencrypted

[10:09:47]

gbee:

that'll be the influence of our friends at News Corp. I guess?

[10:10:21]

gbee:

"This broadcast is sponsored by NDS"

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purserj:

Nads?

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gbee:

nice to see that ITV are throwing away money – for some of the regional channels you've got 4 different versions – Central N/W/E/S where just one would do

[10:13:25]

gbee:

as though the news on Central W is different to Central E

[10:17:12]

gbee:

stuck with Luxe TV as the only HD channel at the moment, need to try tweaking the dish again to get error-free BBC HD

[10:17:34]

gbee:

and I need to write a patch for avformatdecoder before I can watch ITV HD

[10:21:08]

gbee:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/84313783@N00/2492746743/

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directhex:

gbee, luxe is on astra2?

[10:22:00]

gbee:

yep

[10:22:06]

gbee:

in HD and SD

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directhex:

i thought it was on an encrypted transponder

[10:22:16]

gbee:

nope

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janneg:

gbee: that's the problem with ITV HD?

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gbee:

lyngsat actually says it's on Eurobird, but whatever sat, it's reachable with my current dish alignment (eurobird is in the same direction)

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directhex:

gbee, how hard does itvhd support look?

[10:23:50]

directhex:

and is it worth porting to 0.21-fixes?

[10:24:11]

gbee:

janneg: they are broadcasting h.264 but describing it as h.222 which confuses myth

[10:24:39]

gbee:

directhex: not hard I think, but it's not really an area of the code I know well

[10:25:18]

gbee:

if the changes look safe then I'll definately consider porting to -fixes – that backend is running -fixes anyway

[10:26:33]

janneg:

gbee: just in the PMT? that should be fixable in mpegstreamdata

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janneg:

gbee: with a small sample I would fix it in a couple of minutes

[10:28:35]

gbee:

janneg: I'll grab a sample then :)

[10:46:34]

gbee:

janneg: doesn't look like it's broadcasting at the moment, the sample I recorded only has an audio stream according to ffmpeg – I'll try again later, or see if any of the bits I tried to watch last night haven't expired yet

[10:48:22]

gbee:

janneg: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5388

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Jesus Tapdancing Christ, You guys haven't even rolled out real HD and you're testing out super-hi-vision?

[10:55:09]

iamlindoro:

I say leapfrog current gen!! :)

[10:55:57]

iamlindoro:

Let's see, roughly 16 times the pixels, soooo.... They'll give it twice the bandwidth of current high def ;)

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justinh:

hmmm do I want to go to blackpool tonight (& mingle with a load of pissed-up pikey hen & stag nights?) NO. I SAID not this weekend, dumbass

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justinh:

oops

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gbee:

starting to lose the will to live, I'm about halfway through picking icons with another ~250 channels to go

[11:13:16]

gbee:

at least once these are uploaded it will save everyone the work

[11:13:43]

gbee:

unless xris has yet to fix that dvb bug

[11:15:49]

nflava:

anyone want to help me get my tv card working with myth tv? its a tv wonder pro

[11:17:20]

janneg:

gbee: he said a couple of days ago that he hasn't touched services.mythtv.org for weeks/months

[11:17:50]

gbee:

janneg: ok, that's a shame

[11:18:12]

gbee:

still it should match the icons against callsign, which is better than nothing

[11:20:44]

nflava:

i can use an app called tvtime and it picks up tv right away, but myth doesnt let me watch tv when i run that

[11:20:52]

nflava:

i am running mythbuntu as well

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iamlindoro:

Well what do you expect? Only one application can use your tuner at a time.

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nflava:

no no

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nflava:

i tried myth

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nflava:

then closed it

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nflava:

then just now tried tv time

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you didn't bother to stop the backend

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gbee:

nflava: have you scanned?

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nflava:

through myth no

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nflava:

tvtime yes, but im sure thats not what you mean

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iamlindoro:

nflava: Are you saying it work in myth until you run tvtime, and then never again? Or not at all in Myth?

[11:23:17]

nflava:

not at all in myth

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gbee:

nflava: then you need to do that first, run mythtv-setup, Channel Editor -> Scan Channels

[11:23:33]

nflava:

i just installed mythbuntu like 2 days ago so im stilll pretty new at this

[11:24:33]

nflava:

im gunna try the setup part now

[11:25:18]

nflava:

now its saying device or resourece buzy but i just closed tvtime

[11:25:21]

iamlindoro:

nflava: If you've not run mythtv-setup, then you will probably need to do all the steps in numerical order (ie set up the capture card, then a listings source, then attach one to the other, then scan for channels as necessary, etc)

[11:25:23]

nflava:

maybe the X doesnt close it all

[11:25:27]

iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

nflava: Have you set up the capture card and the listings source yet?

[11:25:59]

iamlindoro:

because it will give you that message if you haven't done both before attempting to scan

[11:26:00]

nflava:

if i go though the one part in myth it knows i have a tv wonder pro

[11:26:20]

nflava:

no listing source yet

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iamlindoro:

nflava: You need to go through *each* step in mythtv-setup, in numerical order

[11:26:46]

iamlindoro:

also, for reference, the mythbuntu support channel is #ubuntu-mythtv

[11:27:16]

nflava:

ok ill join there too

[11:28:21]

nflava:

now one other question, is there a way in like the konsole to make tvtime stop

[11:28:38]

nflava:

not that it relates to myth, but i didnt know if there was a certian command you could do

[11:28:45]

iamlindoro:

presuming the binary is "tvtime," then "killall tvtime" ought to do it

[11:29:02]

nflava:

ok cool killall, ill need to remember that one

[11:29:31]

iamlindoro:

It's a messy way to close an application, though, far better just to close it properly

[11:30:01]

nflava:

well i hit the x box, but when i try to run myth setup it still says the device is buzy

[11:30:17]

nflava:

i guess a quick logout and back in will help

[11:30:19]

iamlindoro:

nflava: quoting myself, now...

[11:30:20]

iamlindoro:

iamlindoro: nflava: Have you set up the capture card and the listings source yet?

[11:30:20]

iamlindoro:

[12:25pm] iamlindoro: because it will give you that message if you haven't done both before attempting to scan

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nflava:

well i cant get into the setup to do that

[11:31:08]

iamlindoro:

I think you are confused

[11:31:29]

iamlindoro:

I would seek help in ubuntu-mythtv, the patience level in there is much higher

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nflava:

nope...i went to console, typed, mythtv setup

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iamlindoro:

no

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nflava:

it tried to load then went back to console

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iamlindoro:

not mythtv setup

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup

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nflava:

aaah

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iamlindoro:

sompletely different

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iamlindoro:

completely

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nflava:

yes indeed

[11:32:31]

nflava:

that worked

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nflava:

now lets see if i can do my card

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iamlindoro:

also, while it is convenient to get actual human being support, you *really* ought to go read the actual documentation instead of relying on us to guide you through it, as expecting us to do so is more than mildly rude

[11:33:52]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1

[11:34:03]

iamlindoro:

Scroll down to the section marked "Capture Cards" and go from there

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nflava:

well gee thanks

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iamlindoro:

sounds sarcastic

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janneg:

iamlindoro: any news on the HD PVR shipment?

[11:35:20]

justinh:

iamlindoro: sounds like you need to go to a Eurovision Song Contest party tonight :D

[11:35:21]

edistar:

hi, does mythtv output graphics via gpu or via tuner-card?

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iamlindoro:

janneg: Nothing yet :( Guess that just buys you more time to wrok :)

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iamlindoro:

work

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edistar:

and which tuner-card would you advise for dvb-s?

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Haha, have the race in the AM, but believe me I'll be drinking from about... hmm... 2 PM on tomorrow

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justinh:

edistar: for best results, use something like a graphics card. Fully featured tuner cards are teh suck

[11:36:12]

justinh:

and they also WILL NOT WORK WITH MYTHTV FOR OUTPUT

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edistar:

justinh: ok, thx

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iamlindoro:

And the *one* tuner card that will a) is not DVB, and b) suuuuuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkkkks

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justinh:

as for which dvb-s card to go for, best pick one which works in linux

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edistar:

iamlindoro: okey, clear ;)

[11:37:11]

justinh:

www.linuxtv.org has a wiki

[11:37:44]

iamlindoro:

janneg: The information I got was they will go out in the early part of this coming week

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edistar:

justinh I'll check that, thx

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iamlindoro:

janneg: I guess I should have said that first as you asked for news and not whether mine had shipped :) What can I say, I'm self-centered.

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justinh:

selfishness makes the world go round

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iamlindoro:

Pretty true. There's the good "I want this feature for me, guess I'll implement it." There's also the "I want this feature for me, not do my bidding you silly devs."

[11:41:16]

iamlindoro:

@nflava: And stay out

[11:41:30]

iamlindoro:

What a dick I am for gently suggesting he read the docs and pointing him at the appropriate section

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justinh:

nah. you'd be a dick for implementing eugenics

[11:41:58]

justinh:

or then again, maybe not

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iamlindoro:

If it worked there'd be nobody around who'd call me one ;)

[11:43:02]

justinh:

time to clean up my FB list

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justinh:

hahaha my parents aren't speaking to my sister cos she's been irresponsible too. must be the first time in ages we've agreed on someting

[11:46:01]

iamlindoro:

This re: the dog?

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justinh:

yup

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iamlindoro:

My sister has two champion bearded collies, little terrors

[11:46:39]

iamlindoro:

Takes them off to prissy dog shows every few weekends

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gbee:

edistar: http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . dition-.html

[11:47:19]

gbee:

or the Hauppauge Nova-S is known to work well

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justinh:

there are 2 things going on as far as I'm concerned. 1. encouraging stupid inbreeding & 2. not gonna be around anything like enough for it to develop well IMHO

[11:47:40]

gbee:

edistar: there are others of course

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janneg:

iamlindoro: it's ok. my interest is in linux users having the device

[11:48:12]

iamlindoro:

janneg: I think mid-late next week is probably a safe bet then

[11:48:30]

iamlindoro:

at least that's the earliest it would be AFAIK

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edistar:

gbee: thanks :)

[11:49:04]

iamlindoro:

I'm right at the cusp of the first and second shipping groups but appear to be getting mine in the first wave, which customer service has said will be this coming week, they are QA'ing them now

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janneg:

iamlindoro: yes, I should be finished tuesday. I plan to exhibit it at linuxtag from wednesday

[11:49:57]

iamlindoro:

Neat!

[11:50:12]

iamlindoro:

Well from this user at least the hard work is very appreciated

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janneg:

s/finished/in a useable and publishable state/

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janneg:

since I won't have the most annoyable "feature" of the device implemented until then

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iamlindoro:

Which is that?

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iamlindoro:

http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2008/04/24/1603350.aspx

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iamlindoro:

"Holy shit, three problems with the HD-PVR!!!! Update 1: Oh, one of them wasn't true. Update 2: Oh, the second wasn't true either. Update 3: Oh. Umm... neither was that third one."

[12:03:44]

** iamlindoro notes the line "And finally, if you're not after a feature, per se, but there's some why you feel Myth is less than perfect, talk about that over on Why MythTV Sucks." on the feature wishlist page. **

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janneg:

iamlindoro: all three won't be true once the linux driver is realeased

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iamlindoro:

janneg: Yeah, just found the alarmist attitude funny

[12:05:02]

iamlindoro:

The immediate rush to post a blog about how various features of an unreleased product are sooooo disappointing

[12:05:03]

janneg:

well, multi-device support is untested but shouldn't be a problem

[12:06:26]

janneg:

and I should be able to test it next week

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janneg:

bbl

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edistar:

if I use an nfs server for file storage, would a CF card be sufficient for the OS?

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gbee:

yes

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edistar:

gbee: ok, thx

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gbee:

not that I have that setup, but I know others do

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iamlindoro:

Or you could get even fancier and simply network boot all the frontends and forgo the CF entirely

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gbee:

CF is probably going to be a lot easier though, and faster

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clever:

ive got 3 of my systems netbooting

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clever:

its pretty responsive, even with full gnome&firefox going

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iamlindoro:

Depends I guess, mythbuntu sets up network booting in about three clicks from their control center

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clever:

it took some guesswork to make the rootfs using debootstrap

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gbee:

ahh

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clever:

and a few hours of config to get working

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, just got an e-mail forward from my exes mom that is allegedly an article about Obama where it mentions that the antichrist is "a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it Obama?"

[12:51:05]

iamlindoro:

If we end up with McCain it will be because of people like that

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clever:

brb

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gbee:

I've never really looked at net booting, mandriva might offer similar in their control centre I guess

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iamlindoro:

I fired back an e-mail explaining that the book of Revelations which it purports to quote was written 400 years before Islam was founded so I doubt it says any such thing.

[12:52:39]

iamlindoro:

gbee: It's definitely pretty snazzy, have had mixed results setting it up on my own in the past but that made it stupid-easy.

[12:52:42]

gbee:

ugh, iamlindoro you have my sympathy

[12:53:37]

iamlindoro:

gbee: I generally evaluate the potential non-USA beach spots on a weekly basis in event of another four years of Conservative rule :)

[12:54:28]

iamlindoro:

well, make that neo-con. Nothing inherently wrong with political moderates, it's the fascists I worry about

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gbee:

we've passed the point in this country where religion results in mass hysteria and such nonsensical rubbish as that email, instead we've got our own problems, such as a brainwashed and apathetic population who would willingly walk into a dictatorial orwellian nightmare

[12:58:24]

iamlindoro:

.au is looking like the front runner if I ever had anywhere to go, Canada is too cold for me

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gbee:

worse still are the voters who won't ever change their vote because "my parents and grandparents voted labour, I'll never vote anything else" .... yep, leave your brains at the door

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iamlindoro:

Irritates the shit out of me to see things like "Hussein" in Italics and MUSLIM in all capitals. I mean, could you be any more brazen in trying to fear-monger??

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gbee:

I'd be happy with Canada – I've got family in Aus, but on balance I like the politics and landscape of Canada

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clever:

back

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iamlindoro:

gbee: You guys seem to be halfway to Orwell with all the CCTV I keep seeing

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gbee:

irony of this country right now is that the Conservatives are more liberal than the left wing Labour who think the answer to everything is legislation and surveillance of the population

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gbee:

iamlindoro: oh we passed the state of Orwell's vision years ago

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gbee:

if the current government isn't out of power at the next election then I'll pack my bags and leave the country, I love England but I don't really feel I would have a choice

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dustybin:

gbee: im with you

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gbee:

it's not as though everyone in this country likes the direction we're taking, there are front bench (senior, high ranking) politicians who have said they will never accept an ID card and will go to prison instead – yet still the government pushes on their plans (which is deeply disturbing)

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dustybin:

they seem to forget England is a small island

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gbee:

it's too nice a day to get into politics though :)

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dustybin:

i contacted the friends i do have and they are all busy :(

[13:10:38]

dustybin:

what can one do on a bank holiday with no one to hang out with

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gbee:

well I'm at least going to get outside instead of missing out on the sun

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dustybin:

aye good idea

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justinh:

dustybin: you could go to blackpool in my place. I don't care much for bank holiday weekend drinking

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justinh:

iamlindoro: and are you mocking my profession? ;) you can't really hate cctv until you know how dubious the DVR reliability is.. that camera up above the street – does anybody really think they'll be recognisable on footage when their face is less than 8 pixels across? God bless mpeg4 :D

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iamlindoro:

justinh: CSI would have me believe they could ;)

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justinh:

yeah well based on the kind of questions I hear our tech support people are asked...

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justinh:

"I upgraded my recorder to one of your colour multiplexers but the images are still black & white"... which might be reasonable had they also upgraded the cameras from B&W

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dustybin:

justinh: blackpool is great :-) hen party village

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dustybin:

im thinking about buying 4x little WLAN cameras what will work with zoneminder

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justinh:

dustybin: hen party hell. stag party hell. full of pissed rowdy idiots. yay

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dustybin:

ive seen lots of them on google but unsure if they will work with zoneminder

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iamlindoro:

What's a hen in this context?

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dustybin:

lol

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justinh:

iamlindoro: woman on the verge of becoming married

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dustybin:

justinh: at least everyone is friendly up there, unlike london..

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iamlindoro:

ah, a bachelorette

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iamlindoro:

gotcha

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directhex:

justinh, s/women/LOUD &/

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justinh:

iamlindoro: drink stained, smelling of puke & kebab, unable to stand up..

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iamlindoro:

um... yay?

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justinh:

not really when you 'pull' – especially if you've gone to any effort ;)

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dustybin:

i wonder if these little cameras would work with zoneminder: http://www.spycameracctv.com/spycamera/4-wire . . . -cctv-system

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dustybin:

i could even put 1 in the toilet :P (only joking...)

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justinh:

waste of money, those things

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justinh:

totally insecure & prone to interference too

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

nothing will beat something like this

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dustybin:

http://www.axis.com/products/cam_207mw/

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dustybin:

the only downside is the prie

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dustybin:

price

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justinh:

hmm I wonder how much our gear costs.. other than *too* *much*

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justinh:

oops. our IP cameras haven't been launched yet

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dustybin:

to hell with it, im going to look out for a cheap maybe 2nd hand axis 207w

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dustybin:

they work with zoneminder, meant to be very good cameras

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dustybin:

i could wire them to a X10 module, so i can power them on and off

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justinh:

if I could afford it I'd have megapixel network (not wireless) cameras throughout

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justinh:

bottom line of the story is this: anything less than megapixel – if there's no operator there to zoom into areas of interest, forget about ID'ing people

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dustybin:

aye yes

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justinh:

no that cctv is even a deterrent. guys who broke in here looked into 2 cameras full-on before coming in

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justinh:

s/no/not

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dustybin:

jeeze

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justinh:

see they probably know that the police will send the images to forensics for cleanup, then they'll be passed around noticeboards for coppers to see if they recognise em.

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dustybin:

aye

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justinh:

if they're not known and/or recognisable, job done

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dustybin:

i like the idea of just having a little pin camera at my front door, so if somone knocks you can see how it is

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dustybin:

PTZ cameras sound nice, but they are very expensive

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dustybin:

zoneminder can control some PTZ cameras too

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justinh:

PTZ cameras need to be operated or tied into tricky to set up following software

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justinh:

our work building has 3-way PIR sensors all around the building. the control system then sends dome cameras to PTZ presets according to where the activity is

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justinh:

very tricky to setup, and not cheap

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dustybin:

yep

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dustybin:

this is a good start

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dustybin:

http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_hardware

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justinh:

if you have a dome in a patrol mode, there's more of a chance it's looking the wrong way just when you need it

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dustybin:

lol

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justinh:

e.g. to cover an alleyway, rather than 1 dome in the middle panning L-R just use 2 fixed cameras

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** justinh wonders if ZM works with RS485 **

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justinh:

heh no mention of 'NetVU Connected' either

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justinh:

or NotVU Infected as some folks at work have been heard to call it

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dustybin:

the cheapest option is to use analogue cameras and a card

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justinh:

framegrabbers have a use after all!

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dustybin:

hehe

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dustybin:

interesting: http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Veo_Observer_IP_NetCam

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AussieGrl:

hiya

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** gbee waves **

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gbee:

after a lot of tweaking I'm still having quality issues with the BBC HD transponder, starting to look at 60cm elipical dishes on ebay

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psm321:

"genre" data is lost for programs after they record, right?

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justinh:

psm321: wrong

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justinh:

if by 'genre' you mean *category*

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justinh:

psm321: see here for the columns used in the 'recorded' table: http://pastebin.ca/1027987

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Aval0n:

hey gus

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Aval0n:

guys*

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Aval0n:

guys anyone else experience a lot of lag in their guide menu?

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Aval0n:

doesn't seem to matter the theme either

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dustybin:

Aval0n: what painter you using? open-gl?

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Aval0n:

no

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dustybin:

Aval0n: what CPU

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Aval0n:

qt3

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Aval0n:

c2d 2.6ghz

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dustybin:

what remote setup?

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Aval0n:

2gig pc2–6400 4-4-4–12

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Aval0n:

I use lirc with a mceusb2 and a logitech harmony emulating and rc6

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Aval0n:

in the main menus it seems fine..

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dustybin:

first check irw to see if there is any lag on the remote

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Aval0n:

but when I bring up the guide it gets all laggy

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dustybin:

aye ok

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Aval0n:

mostly it settles down in about 5 seconds

[15:36:54]

Aval0n:

but it's always hit and miss

[15:37:02]

Aval0n:

and sometimes it will lock up in the guide even

[15:37:05]

dustybin:

i think i get a bit of lag on my guides too, i need to check

[15:37:12]

Aval0n:

it "feels" like a memory leak

[15:37:19]

dustybin:

hmmm

[15:37:22]

Aval0n:

dunny

[15:37:24]

Aval0n:

dunno*

[15:37:36]

** dustybin offers Aval0n a puncture repair kit **

[15:37:37]

Aval0n:

21-fixes of course.

[15:37:43]

Aval0n:

hehehe

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Aval0n:

sometimes I know if you are using a bloated theme it will cause slowdown.. but theme doesn't seem to matter here.

[15:38:22]

Aval0n:

why do people even use opengl for the painter?

[15:38:29]

Aval0n:

it's slower and doesn't look any better.. right?

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dustybin:

opengl does that little fade effect

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dustybin:

and it gives transparancies i think

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

I'll have to check it out I guess...

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Aval0n:

dusty

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Aval0n:

what fade effect are you referring to?

[16:01:27]

Aval0n:

I switched to opengl but I see not of what you speak

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** Aval0n watches the tumbleweed blow by. **

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gbee:

opengl supports animation effects and better transparency etc

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gbee:

right now the only animation implemented in 0.21 is the fade transition between menus

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psm321:

justinh, no, i didnt mean category

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Aval0n:

gbee

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Aval0n:

I don't even see that

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psm321:

genre is extra information that schedulesdirect provides

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psm321:

does in programgenre

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psm321:

*goes

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Aval0n:

I have the painter set to opengl, and qt mode as default

[16:14:51]

Aval0n:

but from menu to menu they just appear

[16:14:54]

Aval0n:

I get no fade effect

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gbee:

Aval0n: then the opengl painter isn't working, probably because you are missing opengl libs and it's falling back to the QT painter instead

[16:15:19]

Aval0n:

hmm

[16:15:21]

Aval0n:

I shouldn't be

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Aval0n:

and I compiled with opengl enabled

[16:15:45]

Aval0n:

I wonder if it has something to do with my nvidia driver...

[16:15:54]

Aval0n:

do I need to restart the frontend to see the change?

[16:16:36]

Aval0n:

although I think I already did

[16:17:54]

AussieGrl:

well I was going to ask for some help but It looks like I fix it by myself :)

[16:19:30]

AussieGrl:

I do have a quick question tho

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Aval0n:

gbee

[16:19:57]

Aval0n:

just needed to restart the fe

[16:19:59]

AussieGrl:

can I mix a .20 backend with .21 frontends?

[16:19:59]

Aval0n:

it's fading now

[16:20:11]

kdub:

No.

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AussieGrl:

that was an easy one

[16:21:15]

AussieGrl:

looks like I'll be upgrading the backend then

[16:21:26]

AussieGrl:

and it's running so nice too

[16:22:40]

kdub:

it should be pretty painless if you installed from repositories

[16:23:09]

AussieGrl:

it's a mythbuntu installed

[16:25:17]

AussieGrl:

will I have to rescan the channels etc

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gbee:

no

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gbee:

as long as you upgrade and don't reinstall

[16:25:54]

AussieGrl:

ok

[16:26:21]

gbee:

all your old settings, channels and the rest won't be affected

[16:26:44]

AussieGrl:

as it took a couple of weeks to get it running nicely I'm a little put off by the idea of upgrading

[16:30:11]

gbee:

it's usually painless in 99% of cases since you've already done all the setup, you are just getting the latest version of the software with it's various improvements

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AussieGrl:

k

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AussieGrl:

I'll cross my fingers then

[16:32:16]

Aval0n:

arrgh

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Aval0n:

gbee

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AussieGrl:

bf and I have a frontend/backend main machine and plan on setting up a couple of smaller frontend boxes

[16:32:35]

Aval0n:

do you know why people get that partial lock with qam256 sometimes?

[16:32:39]

Aval0n:

my channel 15

[16:32:42]

Aval0n:

I get partial lock

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Aval0n:

when I try to tune it

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Aval0n:

but oddly enough my wife records some show on there and it seems to work for that show only

[16:33:15]

gbee:

Aval0n: no, sorry, I've no experience with US cable and I don't really pay much attention when people are discussing it :)

[16:33:19]

Aval0n:

then immediatly following that show is greys anotomy

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Aval0n:

which doesn't record

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Aval0n:

because I'm sure it's getting partial lock

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Aval0n:

k

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gbee:

sounds like a bug, I'd report it

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Aval0n:

qam256 is worldwide though isn't it?

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AussieGrl:

thats really weird Aval0n

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AussieGrl:

lol not down here Aval0n

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kdub:

sounds like you just have a weak signal

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gbee:

Aval0n: no, it's US/Canada only

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AussieGrl:

Aussie has very few choices

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gbee:

Aval0n: may also be card driver related, rather than a problem with mythtv or signal

[16:34:52]

Aval0n:

hmm

[16:34:59]

Aval0n:

all the other qam chans work though

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AussieGrl:

Twinhan cards are a pain for partial locks

[16:35:06]

Aval0n:

just 15 that gives me headache

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Entirely possible your cable co moved channels around on you and what you are trying to tune isn't there

[16:43:24]

iamlindoro:

Which letters display on the screen would be enlightening

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gbee:

anyone know what time of day the ITV HD test stream starts broadcasting?

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Aval0n:

gbee

[16:57:02]

Aval0n:

and iam

[16:57:03]

Aval0n:

I fixed it

[16:57:10]

Aval0n:

I just had to go enable quicktune

[16:57:22]

Aval0n:

my cable co must be sending some bogus info along in the stream

[16:57:28]

Aval0n:

but it's working now

[16:57:32]

Aval0n:

quick and dirty fix but hey....

[17:01:38]

gbee:

Aval0n: glad it works, does sound like they aren't sending the right tables after a certain time, maybe by error or maybe as some crude form of copy protection

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Aval0n:

yeah

[17:04:02]

Aval0n:

recently they have been screwing with my showtimes

[17:04:10]

Aval0n:

alot of my stuff gets cut off a couple minutes early

[17:04:12]

Aval0n:

very annoying.

[17:05:25]

gbee:

that's why I use global padding, 2/3 minutes on either end of every schedule

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jblack:

I can see that helping much of the time. I'm not sure it'll do aval0n much good in the back-to-back recording case.

[17:06:59]

jblack:

I remember a rumor from a couple years back about the broadcasters talking about screwing with the time for shows so as to frustrate dvr users.

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jblack:

First the broadcast flag thing with microsoft, then comcast users losing the end of american idol.

[17:08:39]

jblack:

methinks something is afoot

[17:09:05]

psm321:

looks like one of my tuners has an issue with scenes that have too much white... it starts washing out and then if it lasts too long getting all wavy

[17:09:36]

gbee:

multirec has helped a lot with padding and back to back recordings

[17:10:07]

gbee:

ahh analogue, those were the days

[17:10:13]

jblack:

Yeah, I guess that would help a lot. Most of the tuners (but not mine) are multirec, no?

[17:11:10]

gbee:

DVB/ATSC and possibly QAM256 can use multirec, possibly one or two other formats might work too

[17:11:34]

jblack:

yeah. I tried it not long ago, and found my card doesn't work (HD5500).

[17:12:01]

gbee:

anything digital which broadcasts multiple channels on a single frequency (transport) should in theory work

[17:12:32]

jblack:

It's a hdtv card, and it's ATSC in it's full glory.

[17:12:49]

jblack:

I'll look at it closer and file a bug with something. Probably with pchdtv

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jblack:

I take that back, it works fine these days.

[17:17:36]

jblack:

I can record "America's Test kitchen" "MLB baseball" and "Bubble boy" at the same time.

[17:17:57]

jblack:

Doesn't seem to do much to get around the "nothing but shit on" problem, though

[17:18:52]

kdub:

what do you mean?

[17:19:02]

kdub:

bubbly boy is one of the great movies of all time

[17:19:05]

kdub:

bubble

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jblack:

Fair enough. Bubble boy is ok.

[17:19:31]

justinh:

I've never seen it but knowing it's recommended by somebody in here it's got to be crap :)

[17:19:35]

justinh:

beg to differ, always :D

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kdub:

it was sarcasm

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kdub:

that movie is goddam retarded

[17:20:22]

jblack:

Bubble boy is one of those movies where you have to approach it from a certain angle... being stoned at a party of stoners probably would help.

[17:20:25]

justinh:

"Bubble Boy" is a comedy about a young man who was born without an immune system and has lived his life within a plastic bubble in his bedroom... ahhh! give that one a miss then

[17:21:21]

jblack:

Curry pops!

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justinh:

sounds like the sleeve note would have the words "with hilarious consequences" written somewhere

[17:23:42]

justinh:

somebody could do a parody of all these kind of films. call it 'one joke movie'

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justinh:

psm321: unless that tag is stored in the category column, myth won't use it – that's how it looks here

[17:27:28]

justinh:

and if it IS stored in the category column, it's preserved as long as you still have the recording

[17:27:42]

jblack:

1900 shows recodrded.

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justinh:

wonder how Eurovision will look at 2x stretch tonight

[17:28:21]

justinh:

bearable? I doubt it even then

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gbee:

justinh: just stay away from it

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gbee:

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gbee:

no idea what the total bill for all this will come to, I'd rather not know

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ciphergoth:

OK, so I admit it – for years I've been controlling MythTV with a keyboard plugged into loads of daisy-chained USB extenders

[17:55:07]

ciphergoth:

but now a friend has given me an old remote control which pretends to be a USB keyboard

[17:55:42]

ciphergoth:

Is there a way I can have one keymap for the keyboard, and another for this device?

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kdub:

sounds like you need to remap the remote

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ciphergoth:

I think so – the "pause" button currently produces a "t" character

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ciphergoth:

what's the right way to do that? xmodmap?

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kdub:

No clue.

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rsc-232:

question

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kdub:

Answer.

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rsc-232:

lol

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rsc-232:

the Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1600

[18:05:39]

rsc-232:

there is a linux driver

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rsc-232:

if we manually complile it

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rsc-232:

can we then use that card in mythtv?

[18:06:18]

kdub:

if you can get it working in linux there is no reason myth cant use it

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rsc-232:

There is still a lot of work to be done, in particular there is nosupport for the ATSC stream. What is working is basic MPEG capturing, raw YUV capture and raw PCM capture. Also pretty much all of the controls that were also in ivtv are working with cx18.

[18:07:03]

rsc-232:

what does that mean?

[18:07:08]

rsc-232:

can i use the SVideo Input?

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kdub:

yes

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kdub:

it means you cannot capture a digital stream

[18:07:58]

kdub:

svideo is analog

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rsc-232:

Cool

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rsc-232:

what do they mnean by firmware Dir

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kdub:

firmware directory i guess

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rsc-232:

i ment where is it

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kdub:

dunno

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xris:

rsc-232: usually depends on where you tell it when you compile

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rsc-232:

hmmm

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kisak:

greetings

[18:18:17]

kisak:

something in my mythconverg is messing up seeking on the frontends

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kisak:

for transcoded video

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rsc-232:

whats that site

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rsc-232:

that lists every card that works

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rsc-232:

?

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psm321:

kisak: try rebuilding recordedseek for some files maybe?

[18:31:45]

psm321:

rsc-232: theres bttv-gallery.de , not sure if thats what youre thinking of

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psm321:

it lists every card pretty much, not every card that works

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psm321:

kisak: mythcommflag --rebuild -f <filename>

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kisak:

wow... recordedseek is huge

[18:36:48]

kisak:

408641 rows in set (1.76 sec)

[18:37:31]

kisak:

hmm

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kisak:

psm321: my removecommercials script has mythcommflag -f $VIDEODIR/${FILENAME} --rebuild

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kisak:

would those curly brackets cause a problem with the bash script?

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directhex:

cake for all

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gbee:

rsc-232: linuxtv.org – the wiki, right hand side

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Gumby:

hi all, I am looking to redo my mythbox and there was a process on how to back up just the recorded/to be recorded shows part of the DB. anyone know off hand the link to that page?

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rsc-232:

psm321: it was a wiki style

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Gumby:

!backup

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xris:

Gumby: could always use nuvexport

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xris:

test it with a single show, but I'm pretty sure that the nuv+sql exporter creates a hard link (rather than a full copy) if you're exporting to the same disk.

[18:59:01]

xris:

should be pretty fast

[18:59:01]

Gumby:

xris: sorry, I wasnt very clearn. All I want to do is backup specific mysql tables and then reinsert them in a fresh db

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Gumby:

there was a howto somewhere but now I cant seem to find it

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xris:

mysqldump can do that, too... table-by-table

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Gumby:

yes, but which tables :)

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Gumby:

I could probably take a good guess. But there is a nice howto out there. I just need to find it

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xris:

export a show with nuvexport and see what it does.

[19:01:15]

xris:

I designed that nuv+sql feature for doing backups like this.

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rsc-232:

wasnt it

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rsc-232:

nvrmind

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Gumby:

xris: I found it. This is what I was looking for http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

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xris:

cool

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justinh:

wheee. nothing like the good old english tradition of painting & decorating on a bank holiday weekend

[19:29:02]

justinh:

gbee: did you play with the LNB skew? I don't even remember seeing a skew adjustment thing on the last dish I played with

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justinh:

last time was just a case of twiddle til all the 'sparklies' vanish. ahhh analogue. you always knew where you stood with analogue

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** dustybin awaits the special moment **

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dustybin:

# m h dom mon dow command

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dustybin:

* 21 * * * /home/dustybin/light_on.sh

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justinh:

and when the hell is the penny going to drop that 'my' themes have not 'gone' ? They're right there! (ok just not on that sorry attempt at a webshite but they ARE at mythtv.org). grrrr

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dustybin:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes

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justinh:

so they're not on the wiki anymore

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dustybin:

where are they then

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justinh:

in svn

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justinh:

where the rest of the stuff is (almost)

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dustybin:

oh ok

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justinh:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/branches/0-21-fixes/lame-themes ... or something

[19:37:48]

justinh:

ooo.. BBC to take part in super hi-vision trials hmmm?

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dustybin:

i think ive heard that one before

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justinh:

7680x4320 !

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justinh:

is this any good for a super -hi-vision mythtv frontend? http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ . . . board_id=670 :P

[19:39:07]

dustybin:

all what one needs is a CRT and 720x576

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justinh:

the mind boggles as to the kind of bandwidth & storage that stuff'll take up

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iamlindoro:

justinh: They'll give it 20 whole megabits, just you watch

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iamlindoro:

20 Megabits of glorious MPEG-1

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justinh:

my money'd be on Dirac actually

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justinh:

"The BBC's research and innovation team will be showing compression and decompression of Super Hi-Vision using an algorithm they have developed."

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iamlindoro:

I was being facetious, of course

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directhex:

there's realtime direac decompression at that res? :o

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justinh:

directhex: possibly, but christ only knows what kind of hardware it needs

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directhex:

justinh, a cluster of TWO http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ . . . board_id=670

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justinh:

roflmao

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iamlindoro:

Wikipedia says "a core 2 duo" was able to decode dirac at 720p, but that's more than a little non-specific

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iamlindoro:

erm, actually, they said Core Duo, so who knows if that's an editorial mistake or if they *actually* mean a Core Duo

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directhex:

mistakes? in my wikipedia?

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iamlindoro:

If they mean an actual Core Duo that might actually put it roughly on par w/ h.264 processingwise

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iamlindoro:

maybe a schoche higher

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justinh:

so er.. maybe a 16-core hoojimaflip running at say... MOAR GHz

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iamlindoro:

Hahaha

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iamlindoro:

Probably

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justinh:

thinking back to when HD was first demoed it might be a *while* before we start seeing more about SHV

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justinh:

:-O

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directhex:

or can afford it

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justinh:

"On December 31, 2006, NHK demonstrated a live relay of their annual K.haku Uta Gassen over IP from Tokyo to a 450 inch (11.4 m) screen in Osaka. Utilizing a codec developed by NHK, the video was compressed from 24 Gbit/s to 180.600 Mbit/s and the audio was compressed from 28 Mbit/s to 7.28 Mbit/s."

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iamlindoro:

So there you have it, you only need the width of five analog channels for a nice sexy SHV channel

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iamlindoro:

excuse me, six

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iamlindoro:

Of course from what I see of television in the UK that ought to be more than enough to fit all your channels

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justinh:

we have over 300 channels available

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directhex:

that all?

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directhex:

it's about 200 on FTA satellite alone

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justinh:

maybe 10 or 11 have stuff worth watching at any one time though

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iamlindoro:

ok, all your *terrestrial* channels

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dustybin:

5 analogue

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: one analog = 32 Mbit, 5 x 32 = 160

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AndyCap:

you don't find gem.tv 2 worthwhile?

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justinh:

4 analogue. the fifth is an also-ran not available to all parts of the UK and never at the same strength as the other 4

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iamlindoro:

oh d'oh

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iamlindoro:

38, duh

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iamlindoro:

my bad

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iamlindoro:

brain fart

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directhex:

maybe one day we'll increase the number of ad breaks enough that we need more channels to fit in all the content

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justinh:

maybe I'll just read more books instead

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AndyCap:

justinh: they'll be illegal

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iamlindoro:

Amusingly at that bitrate it would *still* be possible to dump it to disk with ages-old equipment

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iamlindoro:

just impossible to play it back :)

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iamlindoro:

When SATA is outlowed, only outlaws will have SATA

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iamlindoro:

er outlawed

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AndyCap:

outlowes.

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Whenever I think questions in here get a little silly I tab over to #ubuntu-mythtv and everything seems to take on a new perspective

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** AndyCap is done with irctourism **

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justinh:

iamlindoro: can I run mythbuntu without ummm... you know.. without having like... a computer?

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Seeing things like "Mythbuntu has a command line??" warms the cockles of my heart

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dustybin:

first time ive ever seen the rain + lightning icon on mythweather..

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justinh:

witchcraft I tells ye!

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justinh:

sorry I keep forgetting mythweather is fixed. that and installing some perl on my frontend

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justinh:

been thinking about doing a travel news plugin lately

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justinh:

rob some of mythmovies to do it :)

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iamlindoro:

I fixed mythweather right off my system

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AndyCap:

just put it outside and use your mythbackend as a weather rock

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robbins61:

AndyCap, is there any way to output just for a specific IP in netstat?

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robbins61:

to find out what that IP is using?

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iamlindoro:

cat MsgToAndyCap | man

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AndyCap:

robbins61: aren't you in the wrong channel?

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robbins61:

i hang out in both.

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AndyCap:

but what's wrong with netstat -nap |grep 123.456.42

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robbins61:

that'll work

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AndyCap:

the basic buildingblocks of unix

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AndyCap:

eunuchs

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iamlindoro:

ah loonicks

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AndyCap:

Not sure how he can tell http://www.flickr.com/photos/59436192@N00/956816828/

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iamlindoro:

Amusing that the URL contains "n00" as well

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justinh:

heh. rather enjoyed that Derren Brown Trick or Treat episode. A bit of time travel with David Tennant. All bollocks of course but freakily spot on

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AndyCap:

Ah, the doctor.

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justinh:

and as iamlindoro will soon become aware, he also makes a wicked brew. Or is that Tennents? ;)

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Landon:

for some reason my mythfrontend has stopped displaying text when I open it

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Landon:

is this a known problem?

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Landon:

it won't display any of the menu options unless I get to a setup screen or hit escape and it asks if I want to exit

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justinh:

sounds like a case of missing msttcorefonts

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justinh:

and the 'some reason' being that auto-updates have been allowed to happen

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Landon:

msttcorefonts is already the newest version.

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Landon:

from apt-get install msttcorefonts

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justinh:

broken opengl & using the gl painter ?

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justinh:

the gl painter being the one with the annoying fade between menu screens

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Landon:

I dont believe it fades

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justinh:

it won't fade if your opengl is borked

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justinh:

try starting mythfrontend with this:

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justinh:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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Landon:

still no text

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Landon:

no wait, there it is

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Landon:

had to move the cursor

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justinh:

sounds like you're running it over a vnc session on dialup lol

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directhex:

i often have missing text with the qt painter

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justinh:

ouch

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justinh:

I have no idea how well (or not) the ql painter works on my frontend. I refuse to use it til that fade is gone

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Landon:

ok, works with gl now

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Landon:

I just have to move the cursor several times... :\

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justinh:

weird. my money's on silly desktop effects causing it

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Landon:

I use e16 and haven't had a problem until yesterday :p

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justinh:

whoah. a real live e16 user? :O

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Landon:

:o

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justinh:

don't hear much talk of enlightenment here

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psm321:

on my last upgrade, myth did something weird with pre-existing "foreign" characters (upside-down question mark, a with accent, etc) in my db, now i get some extra "garbage" characters next to them in the titles on watch recordings

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psm321:

and existing schedules stopped matching/recording

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psm321:

but newly created schedules work

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psm321:

so i think it was a 1-time mis-translation or something

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psm321:

any ideas?

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Dagmar:

psm321: You shouldn't change the character set used by the database once it's been established.

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iamlindoro:

Sounds sort of like someone upgraded to recent trunk and had the unicode conversion enforced on them, in which case HAHAHAH way to be silly and run trunk right now

[23:14:55]

cout:

why do sometimes I get completely bogus program descriptions in recorded programs? I'm getting my guide data from eit, but I'm positive the eit data can't be this corrupt.

[23:15:34]

cout:

like today it recorded a baseball program that had the description of a program that came on last night at 10pm

[23:16:02]

cout:

sometimes the description gets cut off in the middle with an error message like "unsupported compression"

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justinh:

hehehe UK came joint last in Eurovision. thats the way to do it!

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cout:

one time I think I saw something to the effect of "unknown character"

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cout:

(iamlindoro's problem made me think of that)

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Gumby:

Hi all, I am trying to get my backend back up and running but the mysql connection keeps getting denied. "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" I've run mythtv setup and it shows 192.168.1.25 (local box) as the mysql backend server (as it should be) and I have tested mysql from the command line (mysql -umythtv -p) and all works well there. mysql.txt also shows the proper username/pass.Anyone have any

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Gumby:

ideas?

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iamlindoro:

mysql.txt isn't used any more is a good start

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justinh:

Gumby: look in ~/.mythtv/ for clues

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Gumby:

ah, I see this....

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Gumby:

Database user name: [mythtv]

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Gumby:

[console is not interactive, using default 'mythtv']

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Gumby:

Database password: [Wm6nxML1]

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Gumby:

that of course is the wrong password

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** Gumby wonders where its getting this info from **

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iamlindoro:

I gave you a fact and justinh gave you a clue, work from there

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iamlindoro:

hint: it's the file that seems like it might contain the config

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justinh:

I'll take a small stab at a guess... you're running ubuntu

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Gumby:

justinh: yes

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justinh:

when will people start reading those pesky popups?

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justinh:

I suggested they put a long timeout on them

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Gumby:

justinh: im not using ubuntu mythtv packages though

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Gumby:

and Ive seen no popups

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justinh:

anymore you mean

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iamlindoro:

Heh, you were before

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directhex:

pfft, as if anyone would use ubuntu but skip the packages

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Gumby:

directhex: um, I am

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** iamlindoro feels like a hive mind all the sudden **

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justinh:

directhex: I do, but that's just hangover from it being a f'ing nightmare

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Gumby:

justinh: so are we talking about the config.xml file?

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Gumby:

it has all the correct info in it

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justinh:

check the mysql.txt file too. it's still pertinent for now

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iamlindoro:

~/.mythtv isn't the only place that can contain that file...

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iamlindoro:

grep -ir "Wm6nxML1" /*

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iamlindoro:

or

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iamlindoro:

locate config.xml

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Gumby:

ah, I need to look in mythtv users .mythtv. no config.xml there

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Gumby:

(but there never was and this has only started since I redid my mysql db)

[23:25:03]

Gumby:

that did it though, thanks for the hints

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justinh:

roll on fully automagical everything

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justinh:

though even then I expect people will trip up

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Gumby:

if I didnt have this file before, why did I have no issues?

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directhex:

a cat is fine too.

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iamlindoro:

because it wasn't used before, because the packages you were using were configured differently, and because you have never read the documentation from front to back

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: I never touched any packages. All I did was dump the mythconverg db and then recreated it

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iamlindoro:

IF you have a random generated password like that, you *were* using ubuntu packages at some point on that machine

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iamlindoro:

or, at least you had a configuration file pre-seeded with a password like that, which is pooped out by ubuntu myth package config

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Gumby:

so I guess my original mysql mythtv user had that pregenerated passwd. Which is odd though, because I am sure I changed it as one of the first steps..... But possibly only in mysql.txt.

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psofa:

after all that shit i go through with mplayer dvb ts my view of myth's performance starts to change xD

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