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banyan:

Hey, has anybody in here got mythbackend with ivtv-based cards running on opensuse?

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banyan:

I've got the "Can't make my nVidia card run with X on fedora 9" blues, and I'm thinking of switching off Fedora to.... openSuse? or... I'm open for suggestions.

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kormoc:

banyan, you can downgrade your X version. There should be instructions online

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banyan:

I could do, but I'm getting to the point where I'd just as soon have stability in a system as having the latest version of everything.

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banyan:

oh, kormoc, have you run wine on f9? it freezes the machine.

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kormoc:

banyan, *shrugs* I'm a Gentoo man personally, so I wouldn't know about that

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fryfrog:

i think ubuntu makes a pretty decent myth base

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fryfrog:

and was reaonably happy with myth in gentoo (actually, liked myth in gentoo)

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banyan:

Did I just hear somebody complain about upgrades in gentoo taking an absurd amount of time?

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banyan:

like, 3 days?

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fryfrog:

ahha

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fryfrog:

gentoo is source based, so you are compiling everything

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kormoc:

banyan, depends on the box. Personally, it takes a short time on my core2duo and I'm a patient man

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fryfrog:

sometimes things can be slow

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fryfrog:

nobody would claim gentoo is perfect for everyone (i don't use it anymore) but it certainly has its attractive side

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banyan:

What's the advantage of having a thousand people compile the same code, rather than having one person compile it, release it as a package and a thousand people install it?

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fryfrog:

banyan: i think i'd sum it as "in gentoo, you get everything you want and nothing you don't" if you set USE flags.

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** Sedorox watch myth compile now **

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Sedorox:

doesn't take that long

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kormoc:

banyan, customization. I can pick the configure flags for my liking and it links with exactly what's on the system now

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banyan:

hours? minutes?

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fryfrog:

plus, if you want to go so far... you can compile it for *your* cpu

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fryfrog:

banyan: myth on a recent system should take minutes to compile, not hours

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fryfrog:

and especially if you use ccache

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Sedorox:

last time on my desktop was 15 mins

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kormoc:

banyan, takes a few minutes for me to compile myth with a primed ccache, a bunch of minutes without the primed cache

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Sedorox:

lowest time was 8 mins

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Sedorox:

I think with ccache

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banyan:

hmm, gentoo huh? maybe...

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fryfrog:

that said

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fryfrog:

if you've never used gentoo and you *have* used some other distro...

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fryfrog:

the one you are familiar with is almost certainly going to be the best choice

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fryfrog:

and also, i love gentoo but i'm an ex-gentoo user... switched to debian :)

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Dagmar:

banyan: An infinite number of monkeys can most efficiently map out every possible stupid way to break a compile so that you can find them with a Google search

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fryfrog:

yup, that is also gentoo :)

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fryfrog:

that is what i got tired of

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Dagmar:

There's no real advantage to having a jillion jackasses build their own binaries, but it's useful for the 20 or so that have a clue.

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kormoc:

like me! :)

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fryfrog:

it is a *good* learning distro though

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Dagmar:

heheh exactly

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fryfrog:

ever little problem that crops up you have to google and/or search their forums :p

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kormoc:

or learn and know how to fix :P

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fryfrog:

oh, yeah sure

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banyan:

in gentoo, is there that 'distro war' thing that goes on with fedora? where atrpms, freshrpms and livna all have conflicting versions of a package with the same name but they're all incompatible with each other?

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fryfrog:

but sometimes you need to get a clue where the problem comes from

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kormoc:

banyan, not really, no

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kormoc:

banyan, there's 3ed party repos, but you can pick and choose

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fryfrog:

no, not at all i don't think

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fryfrog:

*all* the "packages" are scripts to compile the programs

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banyan:

sorry, I meant repo war.

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fryfrog:

so people submit them *all* the time and they get into the main repo

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Dagmar:

banyan: No, because Gentoo devs can say "it's probably your USE flags that broke it" and 99% of the users will be too busy scratching their heads to argue

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fryfrog:

that is one nice thing about gentoo, there is almost *always* a package you are looking for in the portage tree

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banyan:

so, fryfrog, why did you choose debian to switch to?

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fryfrog:

i got tired of always compiling stuff to upgrade, always having to fix little tiny issues, stuff like that

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fryfrog:

now that my web server is not at home, if something horrible happened to my server i'd consider going back to gentoo

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kormoc:

fryfrog, like openssl not being secure? :P

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fryfrog:

but there is just something nice about "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" and not having to do much

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fryfrog:

kormoc: ahha :)

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fryfrog:

the scan said my key was okay, i think

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kormoc:

I enjoy the little issues, I learn a lot that way, and they're not that many anymore

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banyan:

I don't like it when packagers and developers push problems they could have prevented down onto their users.

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fryfrog:

banyan: in gentoo, there is almost no way for the devs to know

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fryfrog:

banyan: the problem is that each item that gets compiled by a "user" could be slightly different from every other

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fryfrog:

hence small problems :)

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banyan:

well, that's a flaw that's designed into the distro then.

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banyan:

debian runs mythbackend well?

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dustybin:

it does for me

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Dagmar:

It's the little pleasures that make it all worthwhile to the *true* sadist.

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banyan:

cool. Now, Debian — what kind of issues does it present to its users?

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dustybin:

little pleasures like IMAP-IDLE + IMAP-PUSH and my cellphone :P

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Dagmar:

banyan: A desperate need for psychic ability in knowing what it's doing to do the first time you try to set it up.

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banyan:

you mean going to do?

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fryfrog:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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fryfrog:

what the heck is that at the end?

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Dagmar:

Like, before they got the clue that people *might* actually like a graphical desktop after installation, it was truly hilarious.

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dustybin:

banyan: no problems, the only downside to debian is the packages are oldish because it has a long life cycle, its designed for servers

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fryfrog:

ahhaha, that is why i gave up on debian

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kormoc:

fryfrog, hrm?

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Dagmar:

You could tell it to install X and the kernel, and it would bend over backwards to install JUST that and nothing else, and no pansified autoconfiguration or even attempting sane defaults.

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fryfrog:

the bit about firewire in kernels 2.6.22 and above not working with myth?

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banyan:

fryfrog, I thought you said you wer running it.

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fryfrog:

banyan: no, i said ubuntu

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fryfrog:

which is debian *based*

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kormoc:

fryfrog, new firewire stack, doesn't work with everything and certain distros ship with the newer stack by default

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Dagmar:

I remember very clearly the first time I installed Debian my pro-Debian friends were like "put this CD in, type these two commands and wait and you'll have X"

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kormoc:

fryfrog, if you compile yourself, you can select the older stack

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Dagmar:

So, an hour and half of churning disk later, I felt lucky to have a shell prompt.

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fryfrog:

kormoc: any idea how to tell?

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kormoc:

fryfrog, does firewire work?

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dustybin:

Dagmar: are you still a slackware person

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banyan:

Oh! OK, well same questions... runs mythbackend and ivtv drivers well, and doesn't have repo wars, and doesn't do weird malfunctioning things and make you guess why?

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Dagmar:

dustybin: Yep

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fryfrog:

kormoc: i'm not sure what it would look like if it *didn't* work

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fryfrog:

plugreport shows my devices, myth sees them

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dustybin:

god knows how you survive without a proper package management system

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fryfrog:

but i can't get my 2 firewire boxes to record

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kormoc:

banyan, all distros can do the first, and all distros do the latter

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Dagmar:

dustybin: IN part because while there's no serious dependency tracking going on, there's precious little but the basics.

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dustybin:

aye ok

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fryfrog:

and before i swapped my HD DVRs out, those pretty much stopped when I updated to ubuntu 8.04

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kormoc:

fryfrog, xris or j-rod would be better to ask

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Dagmar:

I can just tell it INSTALL ALL and then remove the 5–6 packages I didn't want later. ;)

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xris:

fryfrog: distro?

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Dagmar:

If it *exists* on the DVD, I *probably* need it.

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dustybin:

hmmm

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fryfrog:

ubuntu 8.04

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Dagmar:

No real need for depenencies. ;)

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dustybin:

lol

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banyan:

well, how about having packaged myth? That's one nice thing about fedora, but with the packaged myth you get atrpms, which has repo wars.

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banyan:

with everyone!

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xris:

fryfrog: I probably can't be a lot of help.. but you could try the primer-wrapper script I put in svn a few weeks back

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banyan:

Does ubuntu have somebody who packages myth?

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fryfrog:

sure, i'll take a look

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dustybin:

Dagmar: are quite a few things old on your slack box

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fryfrog:

xris: in trunk or -fixes?

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Dagmar:

Not egregiously so

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xris:

trunk

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fryfrog:

and i assume in contrib?

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xris:

in contrib

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Dagmar:

Anything that's got bugs that have been fixed, Pat can be counted on to roll out an update

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fryfrog:

it'd work okay with -fixes, i assume?

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dustybin:

aye

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banyan:

I also like the 'yum upgrade' simplicity (when it works)

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dustybin:

if i was to install a do it yourself distro, it would be a toss between slackware and gentoo

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Dagmar:

Man I was astonished to see the 7.x to 8.x upgrade under Ubuntu actually work

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dustybin:

Dagmar: how about installing LFS

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banyan:

is that an endorsement or a diss?

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xris:

fryfrog: yeah, it should. it's just a wrapper around the firewire_tester script.. so you can call it every 15 minutes and it'll prime things, but not prime any busy tuners

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fryfrog:

xris: ah, firewire_tester doesn't work

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xris:

doesn't work how?

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Dagmar:

dustybin: Been there, done that.

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fryfrog:

xris: ie, it runs but doesn't fix with -B

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fryfrog:

lemme pastebin

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Dagmar:

dustybin: Anyone who's been using Slackware for any length of time and has attempted to start "soloing" it generally is either looking at a lot of dead machines, or thinks of LFS as a "simplified walkthru"

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banyan:

so, dagmar, you're a happy ubuntoid?

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Dagmar:

No, I'm just too lazy to bother with maintaining two of the installs at my house.

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PatrickDK:

hehe :)

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xris:

fryfrog: you try using p2p instead of bcast?

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PatrickDK:

I just call my machines, used to be slackware

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fryfrog:

xris: http://pastebin.ca/1026600

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PatrickDK:

cause well, upgrade are just fun :)

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xris:

sounds similar to the issues that I've had with any firewire stuff after fedora 6

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banyan:

dagmar: was that "no, too lazy" to me?

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Dagmar:

The Slack boxes all pull from one host and update themselves from that, but the Ubuntu installs are there so I can basically check my Dropline work against it

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fryfrog:

yeah, i tried p2p first. I just get empty recordings of "B" size

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fryfrog:

i'm thinking that wiki article is right

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Dagmar:

banyan: Yes. I'm not exactly an Ubuntu user.

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xris:

fryfrog: you sure you even have the right port/node?

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xris:

try my script. it auto-detects that stuff

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dustybin:

Dagmar: i like the idea of downloading source directly from projects websites, because what gets installed is how the project people intended it to be, with distro people bastardizing stuf

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dustybin:

without

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Dagmar:

banyan: Depending on the phase of development I'm in, everything else int he house MIGHT be running a text-only setup, so if I have Ubuntu on these two boxes I can at least have a nice GUI while I repair everything else. Heh

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fryfrog:

xris: yeah, i'm looking at the output of plugreport and if i change nodes (i have 2 stbs) it also fails

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banyan:

hmm, so the only thing I haven't heard people talk trash about that I've mentioned is opensuse.

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Dagmar:

(might be running text-only because occasionally my upgrade method explodes and takes the machine with it0

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fryfrog:

where in ./contrib/ is it, it seems to be organized in a lot of folders now (trying to get from web interface)

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Dagmar:

I found LOTS of new ways to bork up an automated rebuild of the nVidia driver module. :)

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xris:

fryfrog: pastebin the plugreport output

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Dagmar:

banyan: That's because you don't speak German

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banyan:

ah, aber ich sprache Deutsch!

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/1026607

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Dagmar:

banyan: No, but most of the SuSE users do

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banyan:

so you're saying that there may be a language / support issue?

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fryfrog:

it looks like firewire w/ mythtv should work in 8.04, i don't think it is the same thing as that FC7 stuff

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xris:

fryfrog: is the cable box *on* ?

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fryfrog:

haha

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fryfrog:

yes :)

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fryfrog:

the one thing i *haven't* done yet is actually see if they output a signal :/

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fryfrog:

maybe i should verify they work with a real tv first

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Dagmar:

Coiuld be

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fryfrog:

also, where is your script in contrib?

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banyan:

And I can guarantee you that there is a 40-character-long name for the mythfrontend user configuration file.

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banyan:

die ubergabebausteinunterhalterschwanzsauger.

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xris:

fryfrog: that would help.

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xris:

it's called firewire_primer.pl

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xris:

under user_jobs

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fryfrog:

holey shit, that was it

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fryfrog:

it looks like not all the channels are authorized

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fryfrog:

humm, sort of :/

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fryfrog:

okay, i think they goofed up my boxes

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fryfrog:

should have hooked to tv a while ago :)

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xris:

heh

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fryfrog:

run from a 15min cron job you suggest?

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fryfrog:

yup, just needed them to "send a signal" to my boxes

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fryfrog:

they even did it via robot, i never talked to a dude

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banyan:

did you forget to order your pr0n channels?

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fryfrog:

*/15 * * * * root /usr/local/bin/firewire_primer.pl

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fryfrog:

that is every 15min in cron speak, right?

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fryfrog:

xris: thanks, that script looks nice

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xris:

fryfrog: thank SlicerDicer for the idea.

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fryfrog:

xris: one suggestion – add a -q and/or -v option?

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xris:

I just 2>/dev/null in mine

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fryfrog:

it'd be nice to a) not see any output unless "fail" or b) some output for curiosity

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xris:

actually, just ">/dev/null" will hide normal output and still let errors through.

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fryfrog:

humm, i get "no config found" when run via cron, i guess it isn't getting some env variables it needs?

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javatexan:

I am trying to setup lirc via the setup....I am not sure which to pick because I have a Hauppauge Remote but I am using a IR blaster receiver to do it. Any guidance? Thanks in advance

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: Crond typically provides you with exactly _zero_ environmental variablss other than the bash-builtins as a side effect.

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fryfrog:

I put "HOME=/root" in front of the command, I think that should get it.

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fryfrog:

i think i'll not redirect stdout until i see it working :)

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SlicerDicer:

xris: :)

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banyan:

say, I have a particular show that records on a particular channel and is always screwed up. I don't know what tuner it recorded on... is there a way to find out the recorder that made a previous recording?

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GreyFoxx:

the backend log will include the tuner info

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banyan:

awesome, I'll check it out.

[04:24:49]

banyan:

ya know, this channel is really a luxury. how many consumer products have an entire channel of people just hanging around waiting to answer questions?

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iamlindoro:

Just as long as we sterilize those who feel we're here to be serve their every whim

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iamlindoro:

or be their own personal GoogleBot

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banyan:

Heh, fair nuff!

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banyan:

Now, is it in the frontend setup or mythtvsetup where you set up tuner priorities?

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup

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banyan:

that explains why I can't find it then, lol

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iamlindoro:

:)

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Dagmar:

As soon as you get the signup server for the sterilizations running, I'd like to volunteer for handling sterilizations in the SE US

[04:35:21]

Dagmar:

I have lots of experience with busting people's balls, and I'd like to put that experience to use to better the Internets.

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banyan:

Is this serious, from mythtv-setup? DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 5

[04:38:22]

banyan:

Oh, and what's the deal with mythfilldatabase segfaulting just before it would normally exit?

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banyan:

Or does that DiSEqCDevTree thing only have meaning for HD cards?

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iamlindoro:

DiseqC is related to DVB-S. If you're not doing satellite, it's no problem.

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banyan:

ok!

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Noted, southwestern regional director it is

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iamlindoro:

er Southeastern

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Dagmar:

llAwesome.

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banyan:

why would I get "not listed" as the result of trying to do a single record?

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banyan:

that I chose off the guide?

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iamlindoro:

Something about the rule you set up somehow doesn't jive with the listing

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iamlindoro:

And there's no real way to be more specific without actually being there to see it. Could be a grabber problem, depending on your source of listings, could be a problem with the recording rule.

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banyan:

recording rule as in, record single?

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banyan:

normally scheduled programs do work.

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iamlindoro:

yes, as in single

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iamlindoro:

it's still a rule

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banyan:

might it be an issue with it being a program in progress?

[05:12:32]

banyan:

(live TV does work.)

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iamlindoro:

No, it should be possible and not an issue to record a program already in progress

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banyan:

I'm trying to suss out which tuner is giving me crap recordings.

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banyan:

and now it's saying, "recorder failed."

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pat___:

easy

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pat___:

use live tv and change tuners through all of your tuners

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pat_:

I think the key is "y"

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banyan:

that was my next question!

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banyan:

actually that makes it bail out back to the menu.

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banyan:

after say 10 seconds.

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pat_:

oh well, that's a bummer

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pat_:

"Y" is the right key. "Switch Capture Card view"

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banyan:

but it works if I do it right off.

[05:25:16]

banyan:

now, that's weird, everything is a bit crappy off one tuner, but particularly one channel just will not record correctly off that tuner.

[05:25:50]

banyan:

Light and dark waviness, white noise lines diagonally thru it... it skips every second...

[05:28:46]

banyan:

does that sound like it's just a crap signal to the one tuner or do I maybe have something initialized incorrectly?

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: the DCH-3200s are now working great! recorded 5 out of 5 shows since I 'fixed' the problem.

[05:29:10]

iamlindoro:

Ah great, what'd it end up being?

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fryfrog:

the boxes were doing "unauthorized to view this channel" :p

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fryfrog:

i finally ooked em up to tv

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iamlindoro:

yup, needs to be a real channel

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fryfrog:

i called comcast and their automated system "sent them a signal" and that fixed

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banyan:

so they just needed an ooking?

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fryfrog:

no, i mean for *all* my channels i was getting not authorized

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banyan:

:-)

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fryfrog:

yup, an ooking :)

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: ahhh, well good, sounds like it's working pretty well now

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banyan:

a good stiff ooking against the wall?

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fryfrog:

and xris's firewire_primer.pl is pretty awesome

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fryfrog:

i put that in a 15min cronjob

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banyan:

Hmm, I could use a cronjob about now.

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banyan:

It's just too easy to turn everything into an oblique sex reference.

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clever:

lol

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banyan:

odd, now my gigabit ethernet is actually behaving as gigabit ethernet.

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banyan:

11.1 MB/s where it used to be 1.1 MB.

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clever:

banyan: your hdd may have trouble feeding the nic:P

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banyan:

and that's over sftp too, which I'm surprised the encrypt/decrypt didn't take a chunk out.

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banyan:

I wonder if the 64 bit machine's nic driver didn't get a speed update with f9...

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famicom:

Fuck i hate dkms

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clever:

2008-05–23 03:19:30.432 commflag: Commercial Flagging Finished: Daily Planet "goes west 4" recorded from channel 1045 at Thu May 22 19:58:00 2008 (134 commercial break(s))

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clever:

thats fucked up:P

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Penfold:

hrm. train wifi is crap today :)

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Penfold:

clever: oof. seems like it got a bit keen :)

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clever:

thats over 2 comercials/min

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clever:

and i dont see anything wrong with the file itself

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banyan:

maybe it's removing logos and product placements.

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iamlindoro:

If you took product placements away you could watch an edisode of Heroes in 45 seconds

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iamlindoro:

episode

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iamlindoro:

less if you use time compression

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Penfold:

iamlindoro: at which point all Heroes episodes resolve to: "Hi. I'm a new character with new powers." "Hi. I'm Mohinder, let me help you." "Hi. I'm Sylar, you're dead."

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iamlindoro:

NISSAN VERSA!!!

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iamlindoro:

If $NewCharacter = ActsEvil and != HRG, $NewCharacter = IsEvil.

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iamlindoro:

At which point Peter Petrelli acts like a whiny cunt for 21 episodes, absorbs some super power that he needs to become the big hero, Hiro goes "Wahiiiiiiiii" and the season ends, the end.

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you wet the bed or something? bit early to be up on a non-work day :P

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directhex:

jet log?

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justinh:

heh hadn't thought of that. so long since I've done transatlantic travel :(

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justinh:

time to head to the drudge

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directhex:

driving from heathrow to home after a transatlantic overnight flight: shit

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Hehe, Still mostly on US west coast time

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iamlindoro:

It don't know where or when I am at this point

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jduggan:

where are you?

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jduggan:

im doing transatlantic flight in 2weeks

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jduggan:

heathrow – phoenix

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jduggan:

to change for vegas

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jduggan:

11hrs ;(

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iamlindoro:

I'm in Edinburgh currently, from the San Francisco Bay Area

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jduggan:

eew

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jduggan:

scotland :\

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jduggan:

work or pleasure?

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iamlindoro:

Charity

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jduggan:

ic

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iamlindoro:

Running the Edinburgh Marathon for a cancer research organization

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jduggan:

they dont have marathons in the US ? :)

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iamlindoro:

Sure, but they don't have loose Scottish women

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jduggan:

haha

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jduggan:

i suppose atleast you wont have the sun blazing down on you while you're running, in scotland

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jduggan:

;P

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iamlindoro:

That's for sure, it's supposed to be rainy all week I think

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jduggan:

yea, looks like you missed the british summer

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jduggan:

we had non-stop sunshine for 3weeks.. thats our lot now for this year ;)

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iamlindoro:

haha

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jduggan:

thats how its been for the last few years

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iamlindoro:

tough when I'm from a place w/ 320 days of sunchine/year

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iamlindoro:

sunshine

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iamlindoro:

Hehe, it's funny, I'm on a T Mobile hotspot and all the context ads everywhere are in German

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fryfrog:

does anyone have a cron job that keeps their backend up in case of seg faults?

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Agrajag-:

i just do while [ 1 ] ; do mythbackend ; sleep 10 ; done;

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iamlindoro:

Probably easier to track down the cause of the segfaults, as that's of course not normal-- But you can also do: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_pc . . . _mythbackend

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directhex:

i used monit as my process watcher

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Agrajag-:

sounds like a bit of an overkill

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directhex:

and apparently the weather is nicer oop norf than darn saaaarf today

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Isn't bad... overcast but not too cold

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iamlindoro:

I have no idea why you all have Myth boxes, this TV sucks

[08:05:15]

iamlindoro:

If this was my TV I might accidentally get out in the world

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directhex:

which channel are you watching?

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iamlindoro:

just flipping through the sky sports and BBC channels, seems to be about all I have

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directhex:

how many ad breaks have you seen mid-show on bbc1?

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iamlindoro:

Erm... thought BBC didn't have any? I dunno, haven't had the attention span to watch any one one thing

[08:06:38]

** directhex checks the tv schedule for today **

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iamlindoro:

Only thing I'm likely to watch this week is Doctah whooo

[08:07:17]

directhex:

ooh, takeshi's castle on virgin1!

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jduggan:

iamlindoro: they have no ad breaks

[08:08:37]

jduggan:

iamlindoro: 9am isnt really peak viewing

[08:08:45]

jduggan:

besides, myth is about time shifting.. not live tv ;)

[08:08:47]

directhex:

http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?eve . . . fullpage.jsp sounds fun

[08:08:54]

directhex:

and yes, tv before 6pm is usually shit

[08:08:59]

jduggan:

if you lived here you could put your favourite episode that you missed

[08:09:03]

jduggan:

via myth

[08:09:09]

jduggan:

you wouldnt be channel flippin ;P

[08:09:37]

directhex:

top gear at 7 on bbc3

[08:10:16]

iamlindoro:

I may just stream some mythweb later for the comforts of home

[08:10:26]

directhex:

the f word at 77

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directhex:

11

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directhex:

doctor who at 9 on bbc3

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iamlindoro:

When, tomorrow, no?.

[08:11:41]

iamlindoro:

or is it last week's?

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justinh:

oh yeah no Dr Who on Saturday

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directhex:

the daily show at 8:30 on more4

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justinh:

Eurovision!

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directhex:

iamlindoro, last week's

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iamlindoro:

Ruh roh, seem to have a broken mytheb flash video on my web install

[08:12:31]

iamlindoro:

er new install

[08:12:56]

directhex:

american dad at 11:30

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directhex:

generally speaking, lots o' stuff after 6pm

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justinh:

hope it's Stan of Arabia part 2

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iamlindoro:

yeah, sounds more promising

[08:13:26]

directhex:

justinh, that was a couple of days ago. i saw it

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directhex:

tonight is Con Heir

[08:13:42]

justinh:

fack. have to check the record rule

[08:13:52]

justinh:

seen it before but even so

[08:14:08]

justinh:

wonder when we'll get the new episodes & the ones not shown on UK TV yet

[08:14:55]

justinh:

duh. find & record one every week. BAH

[08:15:15]

justinh:

I didn't bank on them showing them *whevener*

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iamlindoro:

anyone have a notion of where log output might be when spawning ffmpeg from the flash player?

[08:16:08]

justinh:

directhex: and what do you mean *usually* shit? there's never anything on before 6pm. rarely even before 9pm

[08:16:19]

iamlindoro:

I'm running backend with v most but get nothing when I press play, can't imagine what I did to bork it

[08:16:24]

directhex:

justinh, <directhex> ooh, takeshi's castle on virgin1!

[08:17:03]

justinh:

whatever the hell that is

[08:19:11]

directhex:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeshi's_castle#United_Kingdom

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

I don't believe this – all upcoming showings of American Dad have been previously reocrded so it's not gonna record em

[08:21:08]

Pasteurized:

hi all

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justinh:

and the dup. rule is subtitle AND description. flukey how it's exactly the same now as when they were first shown

[08:23:34]

justinh:

bout time we had the option of paying for better data – why do Radio Times have a habit of phoning in the descriptions? "The further adventures of Captain Jean-Luc Picard and the intrepid crew of the USS Enterprise.". DUH!

[08:23:56]

directhex:

hypothetical question: if the end time of a recording changes mid-recording (e.g. extra time for football), does myth deal with that, if using EIT?

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directhex:

justinh, i found a metadata supplier, but never bothered contacting them

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iamlindoro:

justinh: For what it's worth we pay for listings in the US and of late the Simpsons has been "Marge and Homer raise Bart, Lisa and Baby Maggie."

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justinh:

I used to pay for Digiguide – and that was before I even had a pvr

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justinh:

directhex: re EIT – don't think so

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justinh:

but then SKy plus doesn't either – will it might if the data were ever updated :)

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justinh:

delete from oldrecorded where title like "%american%";

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justinh:

oops

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iamlindoro:

That sql statement is xenophobic

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

why – because it contains the term "American" ? ;)

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iamlindoro:

It's also ageist

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iamlindoro:

as though oldrecordeds can't do everything youngrecordeds can

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iamlindoro:

ya whippersnapper

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justinh:

pfft

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Penfold_:

skyplus certainly doesn't: one of the reasons I've moved baseball recording to MythTV is I can at least say 'always overrun by 30 mins' :)

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justinh:

after watching last night's Daily Show here it became apparent you guys should be made to pass an IQ test before being allowed to vote

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justinh:

assuming they showed real interview clips of course

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iamlindoro:

justinh: I was commenting much the same just last night to a small crowd of devoted scots

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iamlindoro:

American + making fun of american idiocy = popular in Europe

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justinh:

some people must think the Daily Show is all made up. seen it billed as such

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justinh:

that's quite worrying

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justinh:

it was an uneasy laugh when they showed the (think it was Fox News) clip of "Obama... Osama... pretty darn close eh"

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iamlindoro:

Oof

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iamlindoro:

What the hell, between him and McCain at least Obama was born in the USA

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sid3windr:

mccain pizza, mm.

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justinh:

born in the usa? hmmm I know a very old, tired song about that

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iamlindoro:

It just doesn't have the same ring when you sing "Born in the Panama Canal Exclusion Zone"

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justinh:

!trout gloss fanboy

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** MythLogBot slaps gloss with a fanboy trout on behalf of justinh... **

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justinh:

and folks wonder why some open source contributors are bad tempered

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Dunno if you caught the part on the gloss dev's blog where one of his toadies reported back in the comments about how he posted to the users list about Gloss and everyone badmouthed it and what jerks we are

[08:56:00]

justinh:

yeah I did

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justinh:

wonder whatever happened to the 'friendly fork' btw

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gbee:

the guy obviously has some talent but it's just ego that he went and started from scratch instead of working with everyone else

[08:58:20]

justinh:

daviey knocked up a basic menu structure in a matter of minutes with clutter libs apparently

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gbee:

everyone must know by now that we were working on a new UI

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gbee:

one thing I've meant to ask – is gloss themeable?

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justinh:

presumably

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justinh:

don't know how involved it is though

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iamlindoro:

Is it still just a series of Youtub videos or is there actual source now?

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iamlindoro:

er YouTube

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** gbee just starts to work harder on mythui **

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justinh:

there's actual source somewhere I think. not bothered either way

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justinh:

so long as there's a distinct lack of python fans around where it counts it'd never stand a cat in hell's chance of ever becoming 'official'

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justinh:

these 'trendy' things, they come & go. seen other things which use clutter & they end up having to be re-written when clutter update stuff. not as big a job as a qt version port but still a big deal

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** iamlindoro shudders at Youtube pronunciation of Ubuntu as Oo-bun-two **

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justinh:

UH BUN Too

[09:13:39]

justinh:

Loonix

[09:13:41]

justinh:

leenix

[09:13:54]

justinh:

potato

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justinh:

potaaahto

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iamlindoro:

I think I err on the side of Oo-boon-too

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justinh:

just think, instead of all the trouble in the Middle East we could have full on world wars about a) which distro is best and b) how to pronounce the names of them

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** iamlindoro ululates **

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iamlindoro:

but for reference, I do not ovulate

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iamlindoro:

Off to the race expo!

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justinh:

I think it's about time I had a go mixing trunk & -fixes on my backend

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Dibblah:

Eh?

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Dibblah:

At a guess, that's probably not a good plan.

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Dibblah:

Unless you mean completely seperate environments.

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justinh:

aw shit I forgot about qt4

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justinh:

was initially thinking different prefixes & use a different DB

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Dibblah:

Can work...

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Dibblah:

QT4 and 3 are not mutually exclusive.

[09:44:22]

justinh:

yeah but making qt3 happily coexist with qt4..

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gbee:

justinh: not too hard really, they are installed in different locations, you just have to force the qmake path when building (--qmake=/path/to/qt4/qmake)

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gbee:

I've still got both installed on all my machines since I'm using KDE which depends on QT3

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justinh:

might just flatten my desktop & dual boot linux again

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justinh:

for all I use windows apps these days..

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justinh:

well, not talking to my sister anymore. she went ahead & got a bearded collie pup.

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directhex:

is that bad?

[10:06:01]

justinh:

for 2 hardened clubbers who can barely look afer themselves to get a pet? probably

[10:08:32]

directhex:

better than a baby

[10:08:45]

justinh:

no better, no worse

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quicksilver:

better for the baby than a baby ;)

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quicksilver:

but worse for the dog

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justinh:

I hope it winds up in a worthy home when she gets bored with it

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justinh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/335179&nbs p;– bout time we had a moderated mailing list maybe?

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directhex:

justinh, what's the problem?

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justinh:

non-hardware cam talk

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directhex:

erm, where?

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directhex:

oh, yes, so it is

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directhex:

so much for skim reading

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cornell:

Had a little problem with running out of space. When that happens, I delete some episodes, via myth or mythweb. I was just looking at my space consumption and list of shows, and it seems... I'm using more disk space on /myth than I have shows. I've 18 shows recorded, about 52 gig, but df command shows 122 gig consumed.

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directhex:

fsck

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cornell:

I'm wondering if there are files recorded that aren't in the database. I'd like to compare the lists from the ls command and the appropriate database table. I'm wondering if there's a mechanism or script or something for doing that.

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cornell:

directhex: use fsck? Hadn't thought of that.

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cornell:

Ok, I'll see what it tells me.

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cornell:

"Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage"

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cornell:

Is there a "read-only" option? Didn't spot one in the man

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directhex:

just unmount your /myth

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clever:

cornell: theres a script to find files that arent tied to any recording

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clever:

and recordings that are missing the file

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clever:

cornell: myth.find_orphans.pl

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cornell:

cool, clever

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cornell:

Question, clever... some files are on master be and most are on slave be. Database, of course, is on master be. myth.find_orphans.pl deals with that?

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clever:

all recordings have a hostname that they belong on

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clever:

and i suspect that the script will properly handle it

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cornell:

K

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cornell:

And where do I find it? I did a find / -name myth.find_orphans.pl and got nothing. Do I have to download it from somewhere? (Am currently googling for more info, not to successful yet)

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directhex:

it's gzipped on debianish systems in contrib

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cornell:

directhex: there's a contrib directory, which contains a gzipped file, which contains the script?

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directhex:

aye

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cornell:

I've several contribs... /usr/share/doc .... console-tools, cvs, hdparm, ifupdown, etc. I assume it would be in console-tools/contrib.

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directhex:

console-tools – Linux console and font utilities

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directhex:

mythtv-backend: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/myth.find_orphans.pl.gz

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clever:

locate is faster then find

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clever:

and it wouldnt care about the .gz at the end

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clever:

'locate myth.find_orphans.pl'

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directhex:

apt-file is more useful, since it copes with packages you might not even have

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cornell:

No /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend

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clever:

and apt-file sucks a ton of cpu power

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clever:

id use it after locate fails

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directhex:

so buy yourself MOAR MHZ

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justinh:

boring :(

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cornell:

No man for apt-file

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clever:

directhex: it finishes in a relatively short time on the core2duo 1.8ghz

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clever:

which blows every other system out of the water

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directhex:

apt-file: /usr/share/man/man1/apt-file.1.gz

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iamlindoro:

awww

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iamlindoro:

I missed a MOAR

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directhex:

MOAR!

[12:27:46]

** directhex needs to find a restaurant for his wife's birthday **

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** iamlindoro just bought scotch out of a barrel **

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iamlindoro:

or at least the nice man said it was scotch

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justinh:

restaurant? birthday? pff. chance'd be a fine thing. anybody'd think I use my feet to hold my cutlery for the fact I can't get her to eat out

[12:30:51]

justinh:

"it's a waste of money". great so I get to cook & clean up yay!

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gbee:

so ... which way do I want this dish pointing for Astra 2D?

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gbee:

I'm getting a weak signal atm

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justinh:

26.2 degrees left of South IIRC

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anykey_:

gbee: do you know dishpointer.com?

[12:32:22]

gbee:

anykey_: no

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gbee:

justinh: that's amazingly precise ;)

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directhex:

28.2

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anykey_:

gbee: just type in your address and see ;)

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justinh:

26.2 is where yours is pointing :P

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gbee:

ok, according to that sight 144.4 (147.4 magnetic) at 23.6 elevation

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cornell:

Thanks directhex, don't have that either ;-( mmm It just dawned on me that I'm using knoppmyth, don't know if that's "debianish" (had been using mythbuntu which is)

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gbee:

good job I own a compass clinometer

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justinh:

all decent dish kits include em :)

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gbee:

heh, dish is already installed, I'm relying on my geological compass or my hiking ones, whichever I find first

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directhex:

oh bleeding bollocks, hotbird6 is the oposite way to where i thought it was

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directhex:

meaning i can't have hotbird and astra on the same dish

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justinh:

I can reuse my old dish mounting holes :)

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gbee:

not suprisingly a compass isn't very accurate next to a large hunk of steel – I'll have to guess

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justinh:

directhex: I thought you could get offset LNBs to do that stuff

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directhex:

justinh, through a wall?

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gbee:

and the nuts have rusted, so adjusting this is going to be a pain

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** justinh hands gbee some WD40 & a blowtorch **

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gbee:

well I already had the WD40 in one hand :)

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clever:

lighter&wd40==blow torch1

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directhex:

justinh, my house appears to run parallel to about 22°E – i can't put a dish on it which points to both 28 and 13

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justinh:

ouch

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directhex:

unless it's on the ROOF, not the wall

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directhex:

hey.....

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justinh:

if planners weren't so intent on making patterns that look pretty from above..

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anykey_:

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directhex:

anykey_, god damnit :|

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directhex:

anykey_, at least 23° is full of titties

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directhex:

13°E even

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justinh:

chimney mount?

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anykey_:

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directhex:

justinh, new build. no chimney

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justinh:

gable end mount?

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directhex:

could be tricky, there's only a foot or so gap between my wall and the block next door

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justinh:

that'd be what I call playing with the definition of 'detached'

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directhex:

semi-detached

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gbee:

should never have touched the dish, I've just made things much worse

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justinh:

twas easier back in the analogue days

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justinh:

wouldn't recommend it without a meter now

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gbee:

now you tell me

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gbee:

!trout justinh

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** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a trout on behalf of gbee... **

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justinh:

szap updates fairly quickly though

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ajh_:

The program sorting really seems to fall down around 700–1000 programmes, any good way to fix that without having to use more filters?

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ajh_:

is there a way to search on text in it?

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Dibblah:

I used femon -h | <something or other> |banner

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gbee:

justinh: gonna try with the signal monitor

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Dibblah:

The signal monitors (needle type) are a bit of a waste of time, I found :(

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ajh_:

is there a way to auto-move watched shows to a watched group?

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Dibblah:

ajh_: What's your actual question?

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Dibblah:

ajh_: Not as far as I know, no.

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ajh_:

scrolling through 800+ shows sucks.

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Dibblah:

So don't use all programs...?

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ajh_:

I don't, but if you use groups, then finding things can suck. Just seems like an awkward setup.

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Dibblah:

What's the alternative?

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ajh_:

Having the categories/groups in the left side and the contents of each in the right.

[13:44:21]

Dibblah:

So set that in settings...

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ajh_:

then you don't need to open the filters to scroll through.

[13:44:41]

Dibblah:

Setup / TV settings / page <bignum>

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ajh_:

I thought it was possible to do something like that given the options in setup, but apparently not.

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ajh_:

but which setting, whatever I tried seemed to just do the same thing but with a subset of the shows.

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justinh:

gbee: might be of some help : http://www.uksatellitehelp.co.uk/category/guides/

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gbee:

:( I can get SD stuff just fine, but BBC HD is still giving me problems

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gbee:

thanks

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justinh:

something I didn't know about is LNB skew

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justinh:

and I think our trees are gonna have to say timberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr before I bother puttingour dish up

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Dibblah:

ajh_: Page 6/9 for me

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ajh_:

0.21?

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Dibblah:

Of TV Settings / Playback

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ajh_:

The default view thing?

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gbee:

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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justinh:

Maplin want £20

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ajh_:

that just changes what's in the filter menu doesn't it?

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Dibblah:

No.

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Dibblah:

However, if you're looking for multi-level menus, it's not going to happen.

[13:48:58]

justinh:

(yet)

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justinh:

gbee: tenner !

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Dibblah:

(Watch recordings -> Porn -> Strange -> Midget -> My Midgets Episode 1, for example doesn't work)

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ajh_:

when I set it to recording groups only, then I get the show names on the left and the episodes on the right, just like any other setting.

[13:50:22]

justinh:

ajh_: then you need to set up recording groups

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ajh_:

I have.

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ajh_:

If I select by filter then I get the same thing but a subset based on the group.

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gbee:

justinh: well a tenner isn't terrible even if it's twice the price online, at least I can get it this afternoon

[13:51:42]

ajh_:

just to be sure, what I want is a list of groups on the left I can scroll through and see the group members listed on the right.

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ajh_:

vs the show title, and episodes, which is what I get no matter what I change.

[13:52:44]

justinh:

I'd prefer it if the viewing format wasn't fixed

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ajh_:

very much so.

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justinh:

but it is, so there!

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ajh_:

also being able to delete everything in a category/group/title at once. :)

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justinh:

that's easy

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ajh_:

but for now, just need to figure out if what I want is possible or if it's a communication issue.

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justinh:

add group to playlist

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justinh:

playlist options – delete

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ajh_:

that's a bit odd for your average use... i.e. everyone else in the house.

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justinh:

I'm going to be looking at doing away with the I & M key menus & just making I programme info & MENU a menu key

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justinh:

ajh_: commenting isn't gonna fix it

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ajh_:

the bit that's been most annoying is partially recorded shows it's hard to tell that they're not complete.

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justinh:

how so?

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ajh_:

recording length in minutes would help.

[13:55:39]

justinh:

you mean for in-progress recordings?

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ajh_:

say the backend dies during a recording.

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justinh:

ah. fix the backend

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ajh_:

or the source goes away,

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justinh:

fix the source

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justinh:

how the hell is myth supposed to know if a recording is complete or not?

[13:56:23]

justinh:

the show might have started late, for example

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ajh_:

uh, trivially?

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justinh:

still as frustrating

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ajh_:

the recording entry says from 6–7 so the show should be 60 minutes, if it's 23 then it's not complete.

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ajh_:

this is on dvb-s so you can tell, it's not like it's an analog source.

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justinh:

and where would you show the info in 'watch recordings' ?

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ajh_:

the rest isn't blank.

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justinh:

not everybody uses dvb-s

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ajh_:

'length' after the title, it would be useful just for knowing if it's a 30 or 60 minute show, and you could make showing it a checkbox, along with showing things like ratings,etc.

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justinh:

if you're having problems with shows getting cut short on a regular basis I'd recommend fixing those issues

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ajh_:

when the backend becomes totally stable, it'll be much less of an issue, but still knowing how long a show is going to run at a glance is kinda nice.

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justinh:

catering for dodgy & unreliable setups isn't what I'd call a fair use case

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ajh_:

or how many minutes have been recorded already if it's in progress

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ajh_:

no, it's usefull all around, don't you want to know how long a show is going to run when you're planning your time?

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justinh:

as for having checkboxes for which fields to show.. good luck running that oen past the "oh no you fucking don't – we have too many settings already" guys ;)

[14:00:12]

ajh_:

bah.

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ajh_:

the fix for that is having a basic config mode :)

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dustybin:

#mythtv channel geek level out of 10: **********

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** dustybin reads http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/X10 **

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dustybin:

it works!!!!!! i have now got X10 controls in my mythtv menu, i can now turn on and off my sub box :-)

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dustybin:

im going to buy another X10 lamp module, so i can also turn off my light :-)

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dustybin:

how many other PVRs out there can do that :-)

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** sid3windr has a usb controlled power bar :) **

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wagner:

dustybin: thats probably a good idea

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wagner:

we used to leave our sub on all the time, since it was a pain to reach behind it to turn it off

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wagner:

it has since blown

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dustybin:

wagner: X10 FTW

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ajh_:

just remember X10 is non-reliable so double check it. :)

[15:09:32]

ajh_:

I think it's fairly common to send multiple commands for each operation to be more likely to see one get through.

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ajh_:

oh crap, my upcoming recordings table got trashed, what's the quick way to get that back from a backup?

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ajh_:

does anyone know which sets of tables I need to restore?

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ajh_:

well, if myth trashes hundreds of hours of work regularly it's not very useful.

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ajh_:

if I restore the entire database then I lose all the shows recorded since.

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at0m|c:

i've set it up to make more frequent backups

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GreyFoxx:

Well, for one you should backup regularly no matter what, but the table that includes the scheduling info "record"

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at0m|c:

so i loose still recordings eh

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GreyFoxx:

and the table containing the currently recorded file info is "recorded"

[15:20:43]

at0m|c:

but it's been a while

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at0m|c:

since i needed to restore, luckily

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ajh_:

does record depend on any other table?

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GreyFoxx:

well, yes and no. record has the scheduled recording info, but it refers to channels which are in another table

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GreyFoxx:

as long as you haven't changed your channelids or cards around then you only need record

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ajh_:

ok those won't have changed, so I can just copy the table from last week over.

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ajh_:

thanks

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ajh_:

ls

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GreyFoxx:

I gotta say, in my 5 years in this channel not once has anyone ever come in with their scheduled recordings table being corrupted or "trashed"

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GreyFoxx:

seektable maybe, but never record

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ajh_:

the backend did something weird over last weekend, when I restarted it a table needed fixing and the mysql fix must have done it.

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GreyFoxx:

did the machine lock up or loose power? Maybe during a write to the table I suppose

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ajh_:

it was locked, so no way to know.

[15:24:30]

GreyFoxx:

k

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ajh_:

hrm, restoring record didn't bring back the scheduled recordings

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GreyFoxx:

did you restart the backend

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GreyFoxx:

?

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GreyFoxx:

That or run mythbackend --resched

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ajh_:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

to force a rescheduling

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ajh_:

oh, I'll try that.

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GreyFoxx:

Your programs table has info ? :)\

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ajh_:

I sure hope so.

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ajh_:

ok, there's a non-myth issue as well confusing things, thanks looks like that worked for getting the database table back.

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ajh_:

thank you, that was a little stressful.

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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gbee:

so I went all the way into Maplin in town, who claimed 4 in stock on their website – but by the time I got there all four had been sold :(

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jduggan:

all four what?

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jduggan:

:P

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sutula:

Anyone have pointers or advice on using myth with low-performance frontends? I have a working backend, but want to be able to view things (not high quality) with lower-performance frontends. In particular, an LTSP setup, so thin clients. No hardware video acceleration.

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sutula:

I know it's possible to play video, because totem on the thin clients can play the mpeg's fine, but wondering about configuring mythfrontend so that it might work.

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gbee:

jduggan: satellite finders/signal metres

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JohnMahowald:

sutula: How fast is the network?

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sutula:

100Mb

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sutula:

Another idea was to quit trying to make mythfrontend work, and to concentrate on mythweb. The browser could be configured to use totem on the mpeg's.

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sutula:

I'd have to hack it, so that the mpeg's don't download, but instead are just referenced with file:///

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sutula:

It takes forever to transfer 1G or so, and it's already NFS-mounted on the LTSP server

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GreyFoxx:

just how "low performance" are your frontends ?

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GreyFoxx:

most of mine are 733mhz , and diskless nfsrooted and play sdtv fine with the frontend

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sutula:

Maybe I need to try harder...when I ran the frontend, it claimed there was no suitable graphics hardware

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sutula:

GreyFoxx: I think mine are 800 MHz

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GreyFoxx:

sutu: assuming you have X installed correctly and don't used a bloated vm like kde or gnome you should be fine

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GreyFoxx:

yay, lunch time

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** sutula is using gnome on them...I suppose that could be making a mess **

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JohnMahowald:

And probably skip the opengl frontend engine

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** sutula tried both Qt and OpenGL, IIRC **

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GreyFoxx:

sut: gnome is a uneeded waste of cpu and ram on a dedicated frontend

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sutula:

GreyFoxx: Right...but these are multi-purpose...was hoping someone could run myth from time to time on any of them

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sutula:

I'll try harder to get frontend working tonight...if anyone else has ideas, please let me know

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JohnMahowald:

What graphics hardware and X driver is it?

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** sutula looks...will take a bit to dig that out **

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: what CPU do you use?

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dustybin:

on your frontends

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dustybin:

fluxbox is nice for the frontend

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** sutula sees ATI Radeon RV100 (7000/VE) in Xorg.log **

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sutula:

JohnMahowald, dustybin: Processor is Transmeta Crusoe, TM5700 at 800MHz

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sutula:

These are not stellar boxes...but I got five of them for about $250 on eBay :)

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dustybin:

all i need now are 4x small wireless cams for my house, link that up with zoneminder / mythzoneminder

[16:19:09]

dustybin:

home automation FTW

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dustybin:

imagine im laying on my bed, i could turn my light off and turn my sub box on without even moving, somone knocks at the door, i switch on mythzoneminder and see who it is

[16:19:59]

dustybin:

i hear a noise in the garden, i switch on mythzoneminder and take a look

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dustybin:

all without moving from my bed :-)

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dustybin:

and what has topped it off, ive ordered a phone what can do IMAP-IDLE, so that means when my home mail server gets a email, a signal is sent to my cellphone alerting me of a new message

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dustybin:

just like SMS

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kslater:

anyone have Ubuntu 8.04 and have 0.20 running on it?

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grndslm:

k, so... i'm trying to use mythtv-setup, and when I get to "step 2: capture cards", i'm trying to add my second tuner on this pvr500, but the thing will not stay set at /dev/video1

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grndslm:

i add first card /dev/video0 , tuner 1.. it works... then i add second card /dev/video1, tuner 1... and then the list shows two MPEG tuners, both with /dev/video0

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** sutula didn't have any trouble with .21 recently...what distro and version? **

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kslater:

sutula: was that for me?

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ajh_:

ugh, looks like I lost the record of what is already recorded too (so it doesn't dupe) is that in recorded?

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ajh_:

and if I restore that from a backup a few weeks old, will I lose anything important?

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sutula:

ajh_: Have you really lost it or just changed hostnames?

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ajh_:

things have been going weird all morning actually.

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ajh_:

like the to be recorded list is blank again.

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ajh_:

hostname etc hasn't changed recently though.

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GreyFoxx:

ajh: recorded is the list of recordings

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GreyFoxx:

so if you restore that you will just miss info on stuff you have recorded since the backend

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GreyFoxx:

but there is a script to find those sort of things and put in entries for them

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GreyFoxx:

"<dustybin> GreyFoxx: what CPU do you use?" : Those machines I was referring to have celeron 733mhz processors

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sutula:

ajh_: Sorry...got interrupted...I was just wondering whether the data is really gone from the database, or just not being accessed any more...sometimes setup changes make it appear that prior recordings and schedules are empty

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GreyFoxx:

ajh: I didn't fully read what you had said. oldrecorded is the history, recorded is current recordings

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ajh_:

grey, know what the script is called/link?

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GreyFoxx:

myth.find_orphans.pl I believe

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GreyFoxx:

in the source contrib/ area

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GreyFoxx:

Never had to use it myself, but I see it mentioned from time to time

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ajh_:

ah, ok thanks.

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ajh_:

ah, oldrecorded is easy then.

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ajh_:

ok, I think the appearing/vanishing is that when no dvb devices are available it doesn't 'schedule' them but they're still in the database when they come back up.

[18:09:36]

ajh_:

that should probably have it's own error case, no recording devices available so no recordings scheduled or something.

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GreyFoxx:

Not sure I get you there. So you are saying that when you have no capture device connected it doesn't show you any scheduled recordings?

[18:18:13]

ajh_:

right.

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ajh_:

the module didn't load, so the backend couldn't open them.

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GreyFoxx:

Well, that makes sense to me

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't expect it to attempt to schedule items for devices not connected

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ajh_:

yes, it makes sense, but more feedback when unusual things happen is always helpful for fixing them. :)

[18:19:14]

GreyFoxx:

your backend logs likely connection some sort of "Can't access /dev/dvb/adpatorblahblahblah" :)

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GreyFoxx:

s/connection/contain

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GreyFoxx:

man my brain is misfiring today

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ajh_:

yeah, it scrolls by quick on restart.

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sutula:

It should be in /var/log/myth

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GreyFoxx:

depends on if you use -l and where you point the logs

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GreyFoxx:

the backend only logs to a file if it's told to on the starting commandline

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sutula:

GreyFoxx: ok...probably distro-specific

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ajh_:

yes, it's in the logs, the issue was more because I had a database error happen due to a backend crash so I blamed that first.

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gbee:

might have to get a professional in to perform some magic with this dish, I've definately improved the situation by tweaking with a signal metre, but the signal quality is still lower than it should be (~60%)

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directhex:

gbee, pick your experts wisely, IME

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directhex:

also, i have a bit more space than i thought at the gable end – about 3m – so i should be able to fit a dish to that wall with access to 13 and 28E

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gbee:

nice

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directhex:

sorry, 3 feet, not 3m

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directhex:

used to metric

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directhex:

still, more than i thought

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gbee:

it's raining now so I've given up the tweaking, but I might try again in the morning

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gbee:

didn't get to do much with the elevation because the nut was rusted solid and my wrench was too big to put any effective weight on it

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gbee:

SD is fine, but the signal quality seems to have a big effect on the h.264 stuff

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TelnetManta:

anyone know of a half height bt878 capture card?

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beandog:

TelnetManta, the normal term is 'low profile' if that helps you search

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beandog:

TelnetManta, http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150mcelp.html

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iamlindoro:

he wants bt878 though

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iamlindoro:

Why is beyond me, though

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iamlindoro:

It is way too late in the game to start buying framegrabbers

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iamlindoro:

There's a Pixelview low profile card IIRC

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TelnetManta:

I need one simply to grap frames from a camera with an rca output

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TelnetManta:

dont need a tuner or f connector

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iamlindoro:

The only low profile bt878 I know of is the Pixelview, but it's F connector *only* IIRC

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TelnetManta:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

If that's all you need then you by no means should limit yourself ot just bt878

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TelnetManta:

might have to try something usb

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TelnetManta:

open to suggestions

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TelnetManta:

just has to be low profile to fit in this new FE I just picked up.

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iamlindoro:

Heck, you can buy pretty much ANY low profile ATSC card and the s-video/RCA capture will be framegrabber

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iamlindoro:

Or DVB, if you're in DVB zone

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cal_:

iamlindoro: do you have like irc #mythtv-users strapped to your waist? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

cal_: Haha, sometimes it feels that way, but I just look at the screen from time to time and have problems sleeping so I'm here at odd hours :)

[19:56:06]

cal_:

ahh ok. i just always see your name hehe so wondered

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cal_:

i wont have internet access all weekend long, going camping

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iamlindoro:

I think it's safe to call me a regular, for better or worse

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moosylo1:

looking for a script to get the latest new via mythvosd on the screen – anyone got one?

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moosylo1:

news

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iamlindoro:

None exists that I am aware of

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iamlindoro:

should be simple enough to hack a script together though

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iamlindoro:

Wake me when you're done with it

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WattoDaToydarian:

Hey guys, does mythtranscode honor the commercial flags creaded with mythcommflag or just the user created cut list?

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iamlindoro:

Cutlist only

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iamlindoro:

You can load the commflags as a cutlist, however

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WattoDaToydarian:

how do I do that?

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iamlindoro:

read the wiki article on removing commercials

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WattoDaToydarian:

iamlindoro: so I can do a "mythcommflag -f pathtofilename --gencutlist" and it will send the current commercial flags to the cut list and create one if it hasn't been flagged before?

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iamlindoro:

The first part of that is true, the second part may not be

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iamlindoro:

--gencutlist will probably *only* load the commflagging as a cutlist, and do nothing if there is none, if I had to guess

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WattoDaToydarian:

iamlindoro: Do you know anything about the "User Jobs" 1–4 thing? I am trying to put the command "mythcommflag --gencutlist" into user job 1 and I'm not sure if I need a variable for the file to be input or if it will somehow work automatically.

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iamlindoro:

All the info you need is on the User Jobs wiki page...

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iamlindoro:

Myth has set variable names for various things, in this case %FILE%

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iamlindoro:

although you will likely need the absolute path, so it will probably be %DIR%/%FILE%

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iamlindoro:

Waste of a user job if you ask me, though

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WattoDaToydarian:

Thanks a ton man, there is actually an example for this very thing on the page.

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iamlindoro:

Imagine that ;)

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psofa_:

anyone using current trunk?Is it usable like before the qt4 port started?

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iamlindoro:

psofa_: No

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iamlindoro:

If you want to use trunk then you should be following the dev list and you will be able to figure out when it's become stable again

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cal_:

iamlindoro: what happened to F6??

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cal_:

i used to be able to hit that to see what my signal strength is, doesnt work on .21?

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iamlindoro:

cal_: Some of the key bindings have changed in .21, and a few things that used to be defaults actually got unbound-- go into key bindings and find it and bind it to a key

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iamlindoro:

I can't say for sure that that one cahnged or was unbound, but if it was then it's not the only one

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cal_:

ok thats probably what it is, thanks

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iamlindoro:

alt-f7

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iamlindoro:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/323778#323778

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psofa_:

iamlindoro, i see.im not sure though how im i supposed to figure out when its stable.Will there be an announcement on the ml?

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quink:

is blu-ray support something that is available in mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

psofa_: people start talking about it being usable or an announcement is made, then you'll know ;)

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iamlindoro:

quink: Why not search the word "blu-ray" on the wiki and find out?

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psofa_:

ok :)

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quink:

ah ok.

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iamlindoro:

@quink, yeah, you're welcome you fucking ingrate

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iamlindoro:

psofa_: Likely there will be some sort of "unofficial" announcement that SVN is semi-stable again, but that may be a ways off

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iamlindoro:

MythUI conversion is ongoing, as is the qt4 port, so until both of those really get settled down, I think trunk for

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iamlindoro:

*production* purposes is inadvisable.

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

i wonder if that asus ebox will make for a nice sleek frontend

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psofa_:

can anyone point me to the keybinds in the wiki.cant find them

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psofa_:

lol

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psofa_:

nm

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psofa_:

keybindings keyword :)

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chasep:

If I have two inputs into a PVR-250 (one svideo, one coax) can it record from both inputs at the same time, or only one at a time?

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iamlindoro:

one at a time

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chasep:

so there is really no advantage to having both inputs setup then? since the svideo will be from the cable box, and the coax will just be straight from the wall

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iamlindoro:

Nope, no real advantage. Just use the s-video as you will get all your channels from the STB

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Dagmar:

Meh. If you have basic, unscrambled cable, I'd use the tuner on the 250 insstead of the STB

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chasep:

I have showtime, which I need the box for......and that being said, I also have a PVR-150

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chasep:

should I use the svideo in on the 150 or 250?

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chasep:

I would think the svideo input might be similar between the two, while the tuner might be better on the 250

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chasep:

but im just pulling that out of my ass,

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iamlindoro:

The 150s, at least the newer ones, are generally the best tuners. The 250s are *old*

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chasep:

I honestly can't tell a difference between them (they are both on the tuner now). I just got the 2nd tuner (the 250) the other day, so this weekend I am disconnecting my replay TV (which has the cable box connection currently)

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chasep:

well thanks for the help

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bmead:

Has anyone received thier HD-PVR from Hauppauge yet?

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bmead:

As I understand it to make it work you have to get the svn version of mplayer. I am using knoppmyth 5F27

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bmead:

Is their anything else that I need to update besides mplayer to make it work?

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iamlindoro:

No, they *still* haven't shipped in spite of people asking daily in this channel about them

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iamlindoro:

and no, you don't need mplayer

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iamlindoro:

at all

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iamlindoro:

myth's internal player plays the files fine

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bmead:

wow that is cool is it the svn version of mythtv's player?

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

My boss was asking me about them earlier

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iamlindoro:

bmead: .21 will play the HD-pvr recordings fine. You will need to update myth to get recorder functionality when it is implemented, though

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Dagmar:

He asked how new my information was, and I had to glare as I said "yesterday"

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iamlindoro:

When the devices actually *reach* people, there will be a driver and at that time or really *really* soon thereafter there will be myth support.

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: hehe

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