Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, May 20th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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directhex:

the netcode is definitely broken in the ps3 version, though – by the sound of it there are deadlocks in a lot of the bits of code that poll the multiplayer servers (e.g. for background updating this that & the other)

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directhex:

super parallel ps3 defeated by deadlocking netcode. yay

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iamlindoro__:

The PS3 appears to be such a train wreck

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iamlindoro__:

Hopefully they get their shit together for FF XIII

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directhex:

the 360 is a rushed console

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dustybin:

when i first turn on live TV on mythtv, the OSD appears at the wrong size, then it kind of copies itself on top of eachother, leaving a trail, then everything goes black, then the OSD and TV come on at the correct size

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directhex:

the ps3 is an unfinished console

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dustybin:

is there a way to stop that first bit of OSD from showing

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directhex:

the only "complete" package is the wii – and that's because it's a gamecube with a ds strapped to it with duct tape

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beandog:

I miss my ATARI

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Dregs:

ll

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directhex:

Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...

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** jams goes looking for a volunteer willing todo boring python/web work **

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jams:

sorry no understand asp

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bmead:

anyone get thier Hauppauge HD-PVR 1212 yet?

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Dagmar:

None of them are shipping yet

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** iamlindoro__ wonders why people bother with the 1212 part since there's only *one* Hauppauge HD-PVR **

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Dagmar:

Wow I hate being a responsible adult this month

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Dagmar:

I've shot my "toys" budget, and someone's got a used 17" flat panel on Craigslist for $40

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jamesd:

Dagmar, $40 isn't a budgetable item, that is couch change.

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squish102:

especially now with the recession ;)

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Dagmar:

jamesd: You would be amazed at how quickly I can find stuff that's in the $20–40 range to buy that I don't really _need_

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Dagmar:

This is why I started budgeting in the first place.

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Dagmar:

Like, it would be useful for me to have a 16Gb thumb drive or 60–100Gb external drive, but I don't *need* one

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Dagmar:

Actually, I should craiglist some of the spare stuff I have here and use that money

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jamesd:

what is the purpose of 60–100GB, that doesn't even store 24 hours of hd-tv... you need 750GB external drive like i bought last month.

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Dagmar:

I actualy don't want it for that. I want it to make WoW a bit more portable

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Dagmar:

There's three different machines I might be playing it on, and well, *updating* each of them every time there's a patch is a fscking fiasco

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Dagmar:

Actually, *four* if you count the Linux install

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcmq---FdOg

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GreyFoxx:

oops, hit the wrong button :)

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iamlindoro__:

To which I reply http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjMiDZIY1bM

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npurciful:

I have a quick question about the disk check and mythtv storage, i have 1TB for storage and the disk check takes hours to run is it even nessary on a mythtv only drive

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nemik:

does latest stable have the fix for ps3 video upnp not working correctly?

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GreyFoxx:

unless this is a new in the last couple weeks ps3 introduced bug then yes

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GreyFoxx:

and assuming you are using arecent ps3 firmware from when they fixed a bunch of upnp /mpegts playback problems

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nemik:

no, i'm using latest ps3 formware

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nemik:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4914#comment:6 this is the bug

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nemik:

2 months ago is not very specific though

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iamlindoro__:

The fact that it references an SVN revision applied to fixes is pretty specific

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iamlindoro__:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/16577

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GreyFoxx:

nemi: So to be specific the lastest 0.21-fixes does contain the fix, 0.21 release does not

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Anduin:

npurciful: assuming you mean file system checks, what/if to do about them depends on which you are using

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nemik:

ahh ok. are there debs for such things?

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GreyFoxx:

nem: That I couldn't even guess

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Dagmar:

So the PS3 *is* supposed to be able to "see" a myth box running >0.21 (incl. -fixes)?

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nemik:

yea...

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iamlindoro__:

you could just do a mythbackend --version and see what version and branch you're running

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Dagmar:

Whether it works correctly or not, I don't care.

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nemik:

Dagmar: it can see it now fine, for music. but videos don't work anymore. it broke in new .21 it seems

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GreyFoxx:

dag: the only issue they had that I know of was playback of certain files, and directory navigation which is all fixed

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Dagmar:

Okay. I'm going to definitely have to fire up tcpdump at home and see WTF is going on then

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nemik:

GreyFoxx: yes, directory navigation is what fails for me

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Dagmar:

Mine doesn't see it at all, and I don't recall turning uPnP *off*

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npurciful:

Anduin: I it ext3 but it is just tv recordings nothing else

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Dagmar:

I might have, if it's possible to do that

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GreyFoxx:

nem: According to all testers who could reproduce the box, they are all functional after the changeset you pointed too

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kormoc:

Dagmar, or your router/firewall doesn't allow multicast packets?

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Dagmar:

...but at least I know now it should show me a machine in some form.

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nemik:

i'll just build from svn i guess.

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iamlindoro__:

So long as you don't build trunk

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Dagmar:

I don't have a router internal to my network, only on the border.

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iamlindoro__:

build svn from the fixes branch, but I wouldn't build trunk if I were you

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nemik:

iamlindoro__: oh yea, for sure

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Anduin:

npurciful: you can disable mount count and interval using tune2fs

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nemik:

GreyFoxx: yea i'm sure the fix works, just need > 0.21 stable for it

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iamlindoro__:

nemik: If you're running any *buntu, you can also enable the mythbuntu repositories and apt-get upgrade mythtv and that ought to get you a recent fixes

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Dagmar:

All I have is a switch internally, and it shouldn't be filtering anything, but it was a cheap switch... hence, I will look deeply with tcpdump

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nemik:

iamlindoro__: ohh nice! that's what i was looking for! thanks i'll look for those repos

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Dagmar:

nemik: I'll be more manly about it than iamlindoro... For the love of god stay away from trunk at the moment. ;)

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Dagmar:

0.21-fixes is generally what you want if you don't like suprises like.. umm... thumbtacks in the breakfast cereal.

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Dagmar:

s/manly/assertive/;

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iamlindoro__:

Dagmar: To be fair, a halfhearted warning results in the stubborn among us ignoring me, which leads to much laughing and pointing on my part. ;)

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Dagmar:

heh

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nemik:

haha yea, it's to be expected

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Dagmar:

One of the _really_ special suprises at the moment is a requirement of Qt4 which is not yet, um, _complete_.

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BLACKthroat:

anyone around?

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kormoc:

BLACKthroat, no

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BLACKthroat:

sweet

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BLACKthroat:

all the other mythtv channels i seem to go to nobody is ever alive

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BLACKthroat:

well i need some help if you could

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Dagmar:

Man you're screwed. Nothing but the undead here.

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Dagmar:

Got any spare brains?

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thedarkone:

well i still get black screen but now it least gives sound and not rebooting all the time

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Dagmar:

thedarkone: You compiled it yourself didn't you

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thedarkone:

no off nivida

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Dagmar:

You got nVidia to compile MythTV for you?

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BLACKthroat:

so mythtv isn't showing the name listings for the channels

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BLACKthroat:

everything is just 'unknown'

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thedarkone:

no nvidia driver

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Dagmar:

thedarkone: So whose build of MythTV are you using?

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure I know what the problem is, but I have to know some details so I can tell you *what* to change

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thedarkone:

i am using .21 fixes

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thedarkone:

branch

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Dagmar:

Looks like there's an exploit in someone's BitTorrent implementation (unrelated to this). I just got a couple packets from Singapore with bad checksums, aimed at port 6881

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Dagmar:

thedarkone: Okay, so hang on a sec. There's a couple of things one can pass to configure that LOOK quite reasonable, but break the hell out of things.

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Dagmar:

I gotta go look at my build script

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Dagmar:

thedarkone: You want to pass it --enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl and POSSIBLY --enable-opengl-vsync as well

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thedarkone:

that will fix nvidia opengl

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Dagmar:

Those are the three related switches I'm passing, my stuff works, and at the moment I'm about 80% sure the culprit was xvmc-opengl resulting in black screens (i.e., no video)

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Dagmar:

I had the same issue.

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thedarkone:

when u went from video to video

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Dagmar:

I don't know that I'm using opengl-vsync, because IIRC that was one of the things that was causing the frontend to take down the entire machine when it would try to display a preview window of LiveTV in the program guide

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thedarkone:

i mean from recording to a different recording

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Dagmar:

I *think* I turned that off in the frontend, but at least compiling in support doesn't bugger it

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Dagmar:

thedarkone: My box works completely fine

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thedarkone:

cool i try it

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Dagmar:

PVR-500 card, nVidia 5200, etc etc. Pretty standard gear here

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thedarkone:

cool

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thedarkone:

my are dvbs

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Dagmar:

Remeber, a 0.x version generally means "there's plenty of ways to break this"

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thedarkone:

lol

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Dagmar:

Having it compile in bits of code that don't work is one that is still very available for MythTV

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kormoc:

I'm using opengl vsync fine

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Dagmar:

Okay. Maybe the bug is gone then

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Dagmar:

Me, I don't really care if there's tearing on a tiny-arsed preview window.

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kormoc:

I actually think it was a nvidia driver version bug to be honest

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Dagmar:

Could be

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Dagmar:

...actually, that's probably likely since it was basically slaughtering the whole machine.

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edman007:

hi, Xv seems to be really slow for some reason, can i make mythtv use opengl or something else like that?

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iamlindoro__:

OpenGL is slower than Xv

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edman007:

...not on my system

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edman007:

Xv seems to revert to software, but opengl is hardware

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iamlindoro__:

Since you don't even know how to set the openGL video renderer, how would you know?

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edman007:

mplayer

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edman007:

i can set it in that

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iamlindoro__:

It's slower in myth

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iamlindoro__:

and since that's what you're asking about...

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Dagmar:

OMG brace yourself

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edman007:

..well i got a really fast system and i can't play Xv fullscreen :/

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Dagmar:

The Skittles people have a new commercial about to start airing, featuring "Pinata Man"

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iamlindoro__:

Then your video drivers are broken/you're not really using Xv

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Dagmar:

...who is all pissed off because people were planing on beating him to see if _chocolate pellets_ come out of him

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Dagmar:

Methinks someone in their ad department led slightly too sheltered a life.

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pteague:

my compaq armada e500 is doing a decent job considering the hardware, but it gets a bit jerky at times

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Lexridge:

When I import music in mythtv, does the music itself get imported, or just a database entry of the music's location?

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iamlindoro__:

Just the location.

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Lexridge:

cool! I would hate to think I was ending up with dups on every client machine. Thanks much!

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iamlindoro__:

np

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Lexridge:

Oh, second question, if i import music from the same directory twice, do I end up with duplicate entries in mysql, or is it smart enough not to do it?

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iamlindoro__:

It's not an import, it's just a scan. Why would it re-add everything?

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iamlindoro__:

Answer: It doesn't.

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Lexridge:

Okay, great. Thanks again.

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Lexridge:

I simply used the word "import" as that is the term Mythtv uses.

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Lexridge:

I assume (dangerous) that "Import Video" works the same way?

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: i love DW-TV, it gives me the best insight on world news

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CCFL_Man2:

you should ask for it on cumcast

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pteague:

anybody know if there's a way to use http://www.mspportal.com/action/showservice.j . . . res=1280x720 in mythtv ?

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Lexridge:

I made the mistake of clicking search again, thinking I would get a search requester for artist/song...whatever, instead it is scanning my /music directory again....DOH! :(

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kormoc:

pteague, mythbrowser?

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cafuego:

My myth box seems to be dropping channels; I've just re-tuned it and it can't find 2 sets of digital channels now (they work fine on the set-top box)

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cafuego:

Might this be a matter of signal strength? The card not being happy with the data it gets?

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Dagmar:

It's possible

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Dagmar:

God when will these kids stop fictionalizing answers on tech forums

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Dagmar:

I just caught someone talking about how speaker wire has "special properties that make it better for carrying modulated signals"

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Dagmar:

He's been listening to the jackasses that work at the Cambridge shop in the mall I suspect.

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Dagmar:

Speaking of which, I've had another "incident" at the local Best Buy. The phrase "lying jackass" just slipped right out of my mouth. Heh

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Dagmar:

He was trying to upsell my gf on a higher quality HDMI cable because of improved image quality.

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: That's funny, I say that all the time at Circuit City lol

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Lexridge:

they really push that monster cable crap!!

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mcintyem:

How can I get mythTV to ignore the encrypted flag? I get LAMc on channels I believe to be unencrypted.

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mcintyem:

I read in the forums that this flag could be ignored.

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mcintyem:

I am using a frontend that is on a LAN with the backend and it looks like the program is streaming over the network from the backend, but doesn't display because myth is stuck on Partial Lock

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mcintyem:

This is a QAM encoded signal.

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pteague:

ok, that page comes up in the browser, but i had to go & plug a mouse into the frontend to select anything... i got to selecting a video & clicked on the link for the *.mp4 & got a page of binary crap

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pteague:

shouldn't the mythbrowser be able to handle *.mp4 files?

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directhex:

pteague, if the web server is incorrectly configured, then binary files open in-line

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pteague:

curl -I %url ... Content-Type: video/mp4 ...

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kormoc:

So you don't have a handler set for that content-type, and I have no idea how to fix taht

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pteague:

hmm... i wonder if it's possible to put that into the streams & try to stream it from there

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pteague:

looks like mythbrowser doesn't handle a bunch of mime types – http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /024704.html :(

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Pasteurized:

hi all

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pteague:

indiana jones sure is putting my frontend hardware to the test

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justinh:

yahaaarrrrrrr mateys!

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justinh:

does an HD cam 'rip' still look as pooey as an SD cam 'rip', I wonder?

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directhex:

justinh, you can see the hair of the guy in front at the cinema in HD!

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pteague:

frontend is a compaq armada e500 – 500mhz, 128mb ram, 4mb on vid card & has a composite out

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cafuego:

Hmm. oops.

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justinh:

can't wait to go to the pics again – I love laughing at those anti-piracy things

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justinh:

s/laughing at/having my intelligence insulted by

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jduggan:

haha

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sammyice:

join #linuxmce

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justinh:

why?!

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directhex:

join #revolution

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sammyice:

revolution?

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sid3windr:

join #bananaphone

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justinh:

join #realworld

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Pasteurized:

join #vistamce

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justinh:

there's swearing & there's swearing

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directhex:

join #elisaproject

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directhex:

ooh! join #entertainerproject

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directhex:

there's a good one

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justinh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh0QlWOddnQ :-\

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directhex:

everyone loves libclutter

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justinh:

until the next one comes along

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justinh:

and again, call us back when it records TV

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jduggan:

:o

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justinh:

it's can't be a 'center' (sic) if it doesn't act as a source of material itself IMHO

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justinh:

s/it's/it

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directhex:

justinh, it does. RSS!

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justinh:

pfft

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justinh:

and what if you want to watch things that no rss feeds exist for.. like er.. oh I dunno.. decent quality BBC shows nobody has bothered to pirate?

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justinh:

guy at work showed me a UK TV pirate site yesterday. had him search for some quality stuff. simply not there, but if you want Deal Or No Deal...

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directhex:

which site? i can think of 2

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directhex:

and one of them might have the dregs of uk shows, but it has Iron CHef, which makes up for all crimes

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justinh:

iron chef? wtf?

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justinh:

uknova is probably rhe dross one

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directhex:

iron chef is a fine cooking show from japan

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directhex:

combine 6 parts japanese whackiness, 4 parts masterchef, 3 chups of pompousness, grate bad american dubbing to taste

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justinh:

oof

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justinh:

sounds abominable. just aswell we don't all have to watch the same shit, eh

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justinh:

and I know for a fact some people here take an opposing view to me just to grind my gears, but hey it's IRC

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directhex:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd4f7hR3F7s

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justinh:

there's always something better to do than watch mindless shit, anyway (bar Dr Who)

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directhex:

no really, iron chef rules!

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justinh:

I'll take your word for it that you think it rules

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justinh:

like I said it's just aswell not everybody thinks the same thing about everything

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justinh:

then again that doesn't sit well with my view that there should be more cooperation between projects though. hey ho

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at0m|c:

hi, using 0.21.20080304–1, i can't seem to change channel in LiveTV. if another channel is selected, the stream is interrupted momentarily then the OSD shows original channel again. the backend has a pvr150 and a pvr250. anyone have an idea on what could go wrong on channel select?

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directhex:

using a STB and some kind of channel change script?

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justinh:

ahh the old 'ask for help but withold information' tactic. works every time

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directhex:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a233/Satima/windmill.jpg

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justinh:

nothing to do now but wait for the end to come

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gbee:

who's running the pool on when the first "Mythtv on Exherbo" question will appear?

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** justinh puts his hand up **

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justinh:

how about one for 'that new medion sub-notebook – a good frontend for HD?' ?

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at0m|c:

directhex: using mythtv-frontend on debian testing as STB

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justinh:

at0m|c: that isn't answering the question

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at0m|c:

checked for channel change script in mythtv-setup, will now try in frontend..

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at0m|c:

didnt find any there

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justinh:

at0m|c: he meant, are you using an external cable/satellite box and expecting mythtv to change channels on that box

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gbee:

these Eee clones and even the new Eee have got it completely wrong – the price isn't right

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at0m|c:

no,as i said, i'm using the tuners on my pvr150 and pvr250

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justinh:

gbee: my sentiments exactly. they should be *cheaper* than 'regular' gear otherwise why buy them

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justinh:

at0m|c: no you didn't say you were using the tuners

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justinh:

"13:04 < at0m|c> hi, using 0.21.20080304–1, i can't seem to change channel in LiveTV. if another channel is selected, the stream is interrupted momentarily then the OSD shows original channel again. the backend has a pvr150 and a pvr250. anyone have an idea on what could go wrong on channel select?"

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gbee:

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at0m|c:

justinh: right

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at0m|c:

using same backend as frontend versions, on separate debian testing machines

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justinh:

gbee: I still fancy an eee but I'll need to buy some wireless gear too

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, I wanted an Eee as soon as I first saw it

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at0m|c:

i dont know of any channel change scripts. programmed shows record fine, the problem is on LiveTV

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at0m|c:

so as for now i record then watch eh

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gbee:

lately though I'm thinking about moving back from a laptop to a desktop with an Eee to replace the portability only when I actually need it

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justinh:

at0m|c: look in the backend log file

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at0m|c:

oop, tail'd it, but the error's one page up: Channel(/dev/video1) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(2): Failed to find Channel

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at0m|c:

also, error from mythtv-setup: DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid x

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at0m|c:

google said diseq means external tuner, but i'm using the pvr's..

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gbee:

diseqc warning can be ignored

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justinh:

failed to find channel.. and that error isn't illuminating enough?

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at0m|c:

even on valid channels? hm

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justinh:

you know it's possible to have channels which appear to be valid – i.e. they appear in the EPG but don't actually WORK

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at0m|c:

there's some invalid ones, i mean thy dont have channel number or frequency – works ok for the s-video input..

[12:39:19]

at0m|c:

oki

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psofa:

any way to check which exact trunk revision i got ? --version isnt very helpful

[12:39:33]

justinh:

svn info

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directhex:

s-video input from WHAT?

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directhex:

s-video doesn't have channel numbers or frequencies

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gbee:

psofa: --version should tell you exactly what you need to know, in what way isn't it helpful?

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at0m|c:

directhex: i was giving an example of a working input without channel number or freq

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at0m|c:

s-video from analog vhs player to the pvr

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at0m|c:

oki so i would delete all 'unused' channels, like the ones without channel number or freq?

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psofa:

gbee, Library API version : 0.21.20071211–1

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psofa:

even though iirc i checked out around 25/12

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gbee:

psofa: that's the f'ing version number

[12:44:47]

gbee:

not

[12:44:49]

gbee:

NOT

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gbee:

where's the line starting "MythTV Version"

[12:45:37]

gbee:

?

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psofa:

well if there was such line i wouldnt ask :P

[12:46:07]

gbee:

actually WHERE the hell did that come from?

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psofa:

mythfrontend --version

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gbee:

psofa: 0.21 and trunk don't even have that line

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gbee:

what are you using 0.20??

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GreyFoxx:

looks at the date

[12:46:40]

GreyFoxx:

pre 2008

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GreyFoxx:

I thought the API had 2008 in it for 0.21

[12:47:02]

gbee:

yeah, but even trunk had the revision line

[12:47:03]

psofa:

well it was trunk when i checked it out :P

[12:47:19]

psofa:

Source code version : exported

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psofa:

:(

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gbee:

psofa: looks like this with any recent revision – http://pastebin.ca/1023741

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gbee:

but if you "svn export" the source then we can't help but lose all versioning info – that's what svn export strips

[12:51:00]

gbee:

better to build from the checkout

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justinh:

ooo noooo that's what the instructions say to do!

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gbee:

really? which instructions? I can't think of a reason not to build from the checkout

[12:56:06]

justinh:

sure I've seen instructions somewhere

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justinh:

oh yeah on that website.. mythtv.org or something

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directhex:

http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4 #not here

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GreyFoxx:

n

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gbee:

maybe I should stop banging on about --version, I start to look obsessive

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justinh:

easy to get obsessive about stuff you've contributed to yourself IME

[13:02:38]

justinh:

speaking Eee btw dixons have em on cheap with a couple of voucher codes. like £203 delivered, 4G version in any colour

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gbee:

tempting

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gbee:

considering my HDD fiasco though, my priorities have shifted towards replacing my desktop with something a little more modern

[13:05:48]

gbee:

probably another one of those cases I like so much, with pretty much the same spec

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psofa:

gbee, hmm if i didnt do svn export then the damn gentoo subversion eclass im using did :|

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squish102:

how are the linux ati video drivers doing nowdays?

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squish102:

is it time to trash nvidia in favour of ati yet?

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gbee:

psofa: Cardoe supposedly fixed the gentoo build so that it maintained version info, but that might have happened after you built that version

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XLV:

not yet

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GreyFoxx:

squish: not even close :)

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gbee:

squish102: definately

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gbee:

IMHO

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gbee:

based on my one experience of a single ATi chipset (which was fantastic)

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squish102:

ok, in windows world looks like nvidia is loosing the driver wars

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gbee:

your mileage my vary

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justinh:

I think it just depends what model of hardware you end up with & which day of the week you get the driver

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gbee:

may

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justinh:

how the hell can nvidia 'lose the driver wars' for their own products?

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psofa:

gbee, im using my own ebuild that fetches from svn the latest ver .anyway ill steal cardoe's fix :P

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GreyFoxx:

So I've just noticed something last night. Last night as a test I started 8 recordings on my dvb card and noticed lots of lost packets on each until I trimmed them down to just 5 simultaneous where as before (last test was pre QT4) I could do 8–10 with no problem

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GreyFoxx:

fired up VLC and was doing 8 no problem, so it's not a driver or hardware issue

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squish102:

justinh in windows i used to be of the opinion that ati drivers sucked and nvidia's was rock solid. lately i seem to have more and more problems with nvidia drivers and games

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justinh:

maybe ATI drivers still suck...

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squish102:

maybe

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justinh:

maybe splurging £300 on a VGA card is still complete folly :)

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XLV:

squish102, nvidia 7950gt here, with latest whql 169.21 iirc.. no problem with any game

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gbee:

squish102: ATi drivers are much improved, proprietary driver and control app for ATi is beautiful compared to nvidia (again, that's just my opinion)

[13:12:10]

squish102:

but on the linux side, now that amd has bought them, no improvements in support?

[13:12:13]

gbee:

little touches like being able to build and install without shutting down X, or the TV-out overscan and position tweaking app, or the better TV-out quality

[13:12:59]

squish102:

and my interest is peaked because of a "Diamond Viper Radeon HD 2600XT 256MB GDDR3 128-bit 800 MHZ PCI-E x16 HDCP" selling for $26

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XLV:

but i dont own an ati card and havent from the days of rage2 ( and that one i got for running it on console for a server ;-) ) so i really dont know about their drivers' status.. just that i hear more problems with ati than nvidia

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gbee:

squish102: better drivers and ATi are giving API docs to the OS driver writers (but the proprietary one are still better)

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psofa:

didnt they give some docs even for free?

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Leftler:

Ughh, I am having a problem setting up my mythtv box, maby you guys can tell me what I am missing. after setting up my storage directories i get the error "Cannot create a file /mnt/video/disk1/video//.test – directory is not writable?"

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gbee:

squish102: whether you can contact them and get a good response from support for linux issues I can't say, but their driver authors are asking for and responding to user feedback on the linux drivers

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Leftler:

i thought i had a extra / on my directorys but leaving it blank the program puts one in for you

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justinh:

Leftler: no write permission on the directory – just like the error message says – or maybe the dir doesn't exist!

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Leftler:

checked both

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psofa:

Leftler, the extra / is no problem i think

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justinh:

Leftler: yes but..

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psofa:

Leftler, check your permissions

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Leftler:

the dir does exist and its 776 permisions

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justinh:

you checked both but are they correct?

[13:15:28]

gbee:

psofa: yeah, they are working closely with the OS driver devs and giving them most of the information they ask for, but I'd stick with the proprietary drivers all the same

[13:15:35]

psofa:

Leftler, i hope 'by permissions' you also mean the owner :)

[13:15:45]

Leftler:

doh

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Leftler:

root is the owner

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psofa:

lolz

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justinh:

!trout Leftler clue

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** MythLogBot slaps Leftler with a clue trout on behalf of justinh... **

[13:16:12]

Leftler:

what is the command to change owner again?

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justinh:

chown

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psofa:

chown

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justinh:

aliased with pwn on some leet distros

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Leftler:

so it would be chown leftler \mnt\video\disk1\video

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psofa:

really?

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XLV:

Leftler, user.group

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Leftler:

with the correct /'s of course

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XLV:

or group part can be omitted? dont remember..

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psofa:

or better chown lefter:users /mnt/video/....

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justinh:

better yet, man chown

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justinh:

mother loving lazy gits

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Leftler:

huza no more errors

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Leftler:

now I just need to find out why my SA 3250HD is not playing well with the firewire.

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justinh:

heheh new essential linky: http://twatter.org/

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justinh:

oo been asked to look into getting a new fan sourced. no validation of CFM of any specs necessary, since nobody cares if they really work or not. just shove a fan in. I like that way of thinking

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sid3windr:

:D

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justinh:

how the f*ck is this outfit still in business?

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PatrickDK:

order a 1hp fan :)

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justinh:

the fans go here, here & here.. where 'here' is just an arbitrary point picked at random I think. no study into airflow or actual cooling effects has been made

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justinh:

PatrickDK: has to be 60mm diameter & 15mm thick

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justinh:

1hp might be tricky in that size

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PatrickDK:

heh, only if you wanted it internal :)

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justinh:

has to fit on a 19" rackmount box

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PatrickDK:

oh, it will fit in a 19" rackmount box easily

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PatrickDK:

a 5u box, if you want it internal :)

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justinh:

2u

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PatrickDK:

you will have to supply a 30amp 120v outlet for it

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directhex:

120V?

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directhex:

who?

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justinh:

only the 3rd world use 120V still

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directhex:

justinh, some 3rd world countries have 120v or 240v, varying per-socket

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Leftler:

What would cause video to go black then return to the main page in mythfrontend when clicking live tv. but causes no remarks in the log.

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gbee:

I'm am so stupid ... been trying to get a new wifi card to associate with the access point, assuming that the trouble I'm having is driver or config related

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justinh:

gbee: tried plugging the wall wart into the wall? ;)

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gbee:

but I just forgot to add the mac address to the whitelist

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justinh:

careful of monday-ness creeping into other days

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justinh:

gbee: just think yourself lucky taht stuff you play with has a logical mode of operation – i.e. X + Y = Z.. not like the gear here where the script changes every time. I hate to think how awful these things are going to be to produce in volumes

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Leftler:

So I guess my blanking issue is not a simple mistake?

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Leftler:

some overlooked setting

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justinh:

Leftler: look in your backend log

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Leftler:

I did, it dident show anything

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Leftler:

just my client loged in, then loged off

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justinh:

don't believe you

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Leftler:

I have 4 lines for the time period i tryed

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Leftler:

MainServer::HandelAnnounce Monitor

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Leftler:

adding: media1 as a client (events: 0)

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Leftler:

MainServer::HandelAnnounce Monitor

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Leftler:

adding: media1 as a client (events: 1)

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Leftler:

thats it

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dustybin:

i just tried compiling the plugins with the latest svn update, i get this error:

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dustybin:

Error processing project file: /usr/local/src/mythplugins/cleanup/cleanup.pro

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dustybin:

make: *** [cleanup/Makefile] Error 2

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justinh:

Leftler: that doesn't look right at all

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Leftler:

the next log entry before that was from 10 miniuts before i even started the front end

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justinh:

Leftler: unless your init script is running mythbackend with no logging enabled that's pretty unusual

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Leftler:

where can i activate it if it is disabled

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justinh:

it can be handy to just stop it & run mythbackend in a terminal for testing purposes

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justinh:

editing init scripts isn't something I'd advise anybody do unless they REALLY have a clue

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Leftler:

shoot, i remember reading in the howto on how to stop the script and restart as a terimal... can i get a hint?

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justinh:

oh ffs

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dustybin:

anyone know if zoneminder Release 1.23.3 is compatible with mythzoneminder plugin?

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dustybin:

when i run the frontend i get this message repeated manytimes

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dustybin:

2008-05–20 16:06:23.469 Font needs a face

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dustybin:

2008-05–20 16:06:23.469 Font needs a face

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gbee:

which theme?

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gbee:

have you checked to see if there is a newer version available?

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Leftler:

there needs to be a subistute for fill database for when you only make a small tweke.

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Leftler:

takes sooooo long

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leftler2:

ok now i can copy and paste

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leftler2:

what would cause this

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leftler2:

QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

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leftler2:

2008-05–20 10:24:38.459 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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GreyFoxx:

sounds like something already has it bound

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GreyFoxx:

like mythbackend is already running

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leftler2:

I dident start it in any terminals and if i do sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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leftler2:

i get No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

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gbee:

ps -A | grep myth

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leftler2:

7066 ? 00:00:00 mythbackend

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gbee:

kill -9 7066

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leftler2:

thank you

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leftler2:

huza it works

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leftler:

ok, i have a conundrum, when I myth starts with linux i cant get video to start, but if i end the process and manualy start it it works fine??? what is wrong?

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leftler:

any ideas?

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kormoc:

permissions?

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leftler:

what should i check?

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jafa:

Did anyone record last weeks American Gladiator show (the one that triggered the Vista no-record protection)?

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GreyFoxx:

jafa: Yup,

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jafa:

If it was recorded from an ATSC tuner and was not transcoded then it should have the original PMT... looking for a 30 second sample

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GreyFoxx:

I did record it, (QAM so I had the original) but it's long since been watched and removed :)

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jafa:

doh

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GreyFoxx:

actually let me verify that. I think I deleted it

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GreyFoxx:

yeah it's gone

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jafa:

thanks for checking

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GreyFoxx:

someone else might have it. Try the -users mailing list

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jafa:

good idea

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GreyFoxx:

looking to test something broadcast flag related ?

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jafa:

I have run a number of tests getting the HDHomeRun to insert fake broadcast flags and/or CGMS-D tags... no luck triggering the problem

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jafa:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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leftler:

Whats the command to see the names of all the users for the system?

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leftler:

same for groups

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GreyFoxx:

lef: ummm can you be more specific ?

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MilkBoy:

"gief root"

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leftler:

what comman can i type in to bash that will show all of the existing user accounts on the system

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GreyFoxx:

jafa: I'd many hdhomerun users complain about it ?

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sid3windr:

leftler: getent passwd

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GreyFoxx:

err forget the I'd in that question :)

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GreyFoxx:

cat /etc/passwd ?:)

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sid3windr:

(not the same :<)

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leftler:

ok i think i fixed my problem, i think it was a permission problem, I could acess the data storege dirs but the mythtv process couldent.

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leftler:

so when it ran on its own it got a cant read error, but when i started it, it had my credentials

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leftler:

and could read the folders

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leftler:

reboot for a final test, if i dont come back crying it must of worked!

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leftler:

time to reboot

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jafa:

GreyFoxx: I think the NBC problem was limited to a specific region... it didn't affect too many people

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jafa:

but a lot of people want to know the details :)

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GreyFoxx:

jafa: I imagine :)

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martymcfly:

what does this mean? "DTVMux Could not find tuning parameters for mplex"

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AngryElf:

my current setup is cable line -> splitters -> WinTV-PVR tuners, can I get away with one digital->analog box and just stick it before the splitters?

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sid3windr:

if you want all pvr's to record the same show, yup

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sid3windr:

so, probably no.

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sid3windr:

:)

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dmz:

howdy y'all, anyone know how to force a complete reload of the schedule? i'm using schedulesdirect and some programming is a little off, but when i try to get an update I see it say that data exists so it's not updating. how can i force it to update?

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frank__:

dmz: mythfilldatabase --refresh-all I think

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a1fa_:

dmz

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a1fa_:

:)

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a1fa_:

hi

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dustybin:

is there a way for mythtv to use 1 xorg resolution for the menu and another for live TV ?

[17:35:39]

gbee:

appearance settings

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dmz:

a1fa hey!

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dustybin:

the mepo theme works best at 1280x720 but SDTV works best at 720 x 576

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dustybin:

ive now installed the mepo themes font, i didnt install this before, now the clock looks really big on the main menu, is there a way to reduce the size of it

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gbee:

dustybin: edit the theme

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dustybin:

o_0

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dustybin:

gbee: only people like justinh know how to do things like that

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gbee:

dustybin: rubbish, it's easy

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dustybin:

:-0

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** dustybin hides in the background **

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gbee:

base.xml – change the font size to something smaller

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dustybin:

aye ok, ill take a look

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dustybin:

thanks

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gbee:

for the font used by <clock

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dustybin:

ok frank, before i do that, im going to try and get my xorg to use 2 different resolutions

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dustybin:

im not quite sure how im going to achieve this yet

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gbee:

i.e. if <clock><font>foobar</foobar></clock> edit <font name="foobar"><size>14</size></font>

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dustybin:

aye ok thanks

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dustybin:

the strange thing is

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dustybin:

the mepo screenshots show no clock at all

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dustybin:

http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/screenshots.html

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GreyFoxx:

Those screenshots are way old

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dmz:

ugh i upgraded my notebook the other day and now my graphics are sooo slow, brb rebooting with new driver

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GreyFoxx:

long before the clock option existed :)

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dustybin:

a lot of the text in menus just doesnt fit on my TV with that theme, there is lots of text missing like, Recordi... Welco... etc

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dustybin:

thats why i need to try and get 2 working resolutions, 1 for the menu, 1 for live tv

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gbee:

dustybin: bad theme – not enough care has been given to getting the textarea's the right size

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dustybin:

shame really, that was nearly the best theme ever,

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dustybin:

1.. change the colour scheme 2.. fix the text areas

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dustybin:

then it would be perfik

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.ronfrazier.net/ronfrazier.net/mythtv/#MCFriendly his version has the clock hehe

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gbee:

but still not the best ;)

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dustybin:

gbee: what is better than that?

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GreyFoxx:

best is a matter of opinion :)

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dustybin:

*cough* justinh

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GreyFoxx:

I find Mepo kinda ugly

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: what do you like?

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dustybin:

mythcentre wide?..

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GreyFoxx:

Mythcenterwide, metallurgy, grayosd are my current favourites

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dustybin:

the clock looks like a normal size on that

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gbee:

I'm not labouring under any illusions that everyone likes my theme better, or that one theme could ever win universal approval

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GreyFoxx:

(yeah I know the last was a OSD theme)

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dustybin:

mine is MASSIVE

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gbee:

I was very happy with blootube-wide (not the other versions though)

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dustybin:

i like the look of the mythbuntu theme

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gbee:

before that Mythcenter-Wide

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directhex:

dustybin, mine is massive too

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dustybin:

aye ok

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directhex:

we're talking about our penises, yes?

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gbee:

mythbuntu theme is just retro or something with different colours

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dustybin:

:-0

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dustybin:

retro kicks ass

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dustybin:

my 2nd favourite

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GreyFoxx:

hence, why it's all a matter of opinion :)

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GreyFoxx:

I can't stand retro, but I like some of the OSD's he did :)

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acren:

OffTopic: anyone have a suggestion on video edditing and rendering apps? I'm looking at Cinelerra and Blender. But thought I'd ask here for unbiased opintions.

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dustybin:

acren: finalcut

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dustybin:

acren: 3d rendering? maya

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dustybin:

would the mepo guy mind if i bastardized his theme?

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dustybin:

all i would do is change the colour scheme and sort out the text problems

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dustybin:

once i finished, ill upload it to juski.co.uk so i dont get the blame for it :P

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jarle:

I want to setup a system to automatically transcode a copy of each recording to a format that I can sync to my Archos portable media player. Is nuvexport the way to do this, or are there better solutions around?

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xris:

nuvexport is pretty much the only option.

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jarle:

xris: And I guess I have to do a bit of additional scripting to have the transcoded videos to be sorted in directories for each show, and filename depending on the show title/subtitle?

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xris:

there's a name-format option for nuvexport.. can specify directory/etc in there

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acren:

dustybin: Thanks, I've heard of both of those as well, but wanted an opinion an outside opinion. Thanks again.

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jarle:

xris: and nuvexport can easily be run automatically after a recording has ended. As a user job?

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

I think there is a little info on that in the wiki

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xris:

personally, I prefer to cut commercials out first.

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sid3windr:

arf

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sid3windr:

avoid buying samsung tft's :p

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sid3windr:

my primary monitor now has a nice windows taskbar imprint even if it's not actually there and the second one a part of my desktop background.

[18:13:55]

sid3windr:

(and the monitors are off for most of the day)

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kormoc:

sid3windr, I have that issue with an old dell, but my older samsung is amazing

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XLV:

sid3windr, major flaw, but i know many that got samsung tfts and they are happy with them

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xris:

jams: it's kind of funny how much effort logitech is putting into marketing their remotes... bzzagent even has some kind of "remote disasters" site with videos about how crappy normal remotes are (some are actually kind of funny): http://www.bzzagent.com//p/6629360297/xris (and yes, if anyone else clicks on these, I do get some kind of points for the clicks — not quite sure what, though)

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sid3windr:

I got 2 and swapped them under warranty for 2 new ones due to dead pixels

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sid3windr:

now after 1.5y I get this, grr.

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XLV:

sid3windr, this happend suddenly, or it was gradual?

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sid3windr:

I just saw it

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sid3windr:

and I did not see it at lunch

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sid3windr:

and monitors were in standby when I got home

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sid3windr:

so I would say suddenly

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sid3windr:

at least on the secondary monitor where the background is (as I see it through the fullscreen tv, and I use that every evening)

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sid3windr:

on the primary one where the taskbar is, I have no clue, taskbar is almost always there :)

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tgillespie:

hi all, will this board be ok for a mythtv box if i use a hardware encoder card? also can i encode hd video in hardware? http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/Motherboards.htm

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sid3windr:

404

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kormoc:

sid3windr, add on a l

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XLV:

sid3windr, for how many years do they have warrantly? i know older tfts ( in the era of 15" ) had problem with burn-in, but not newer ones...

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gbee:

tgillespie: no HD encoding yet, work is being done on the HDPVR card, but it may be a couple of months +

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AngryElf:

is there a function that takes a standards complaiant email string and parses it?

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tgillespie:

gbee ah ok, who makes the hdpvr?

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gbee:

Hauppauge

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tgillespie:

gbee its just for future proofing me 2bh

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tgillespie:

gbee thanks

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kormoc:

AngryElf, likely sent that to the wrong channel

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AngryElf:

:)

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tgillespie:

also, does anyone know of any capture cards that support the digital tv cards, such as the one from satanta sports or topup tv?

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sid3windr:

XLV: I assume 2, will have to see :)

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gbee:

tgillespie: no chance of playing h.264 encoded HD with that board – it requires a dual core cpu, at least 2Ghz but 2.4Ghz is preferable

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tgillespie:

gbee cant i do the playback in hardware as well?

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tgillespie:

gbee in the future i mean

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tgillespie:

if not now

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gbee:

tgillespie: hard to say if any devices will be supported – it's possible, but no guarentee

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kormoc:

tgillespie, perhaps, perhaps not, noone knows till it happens

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tgillespie:

ok thanks, i just liked the board because it was cheap and quiet, i thought i could do the heavy video lifting work in hardware, ill hang about and keep my eyes open, thanks :)

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gbee:

personally I just opted for a matx board (combined backend) with one of the low power AMD 2x Athlons

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XLV:

gbee, and not an atom. it has far lower ipc than wolfdale, its in-order cpu, made for low power, low cost embedded devices/laptops

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gbee:

tgillespie: it's a nice board, just don't think it has enough horsepower for a future proof system

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XLV:

tgillespie, nice price though, for a router or sd decoder

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tgillespie:

XLV yea, the price was a big factor

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gbee:

might fair better than a via based system :)

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tgillespie:

ill shop around i think, thanks for all your help

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XLV:

gbee, well, via nehemia was in order too, but now they produce a faster dual core out of order.. but certainly it would be better than via c7

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XLV:

*they will produce

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a1fa_:

any reason for video to skip? same problem was with my IDE hd..but enabling DMA fixed that

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a1fa_:

now I switched to SATA and video skips sometimes :(

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XLV:

tgillespie, if they produce this board with g45 chipset, which offloads x264/vc1 decode to gpu, and if intel produces some linux support for it, at a similar price, it would be a nice solution.. many ifs though

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AndyCap:

66666

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AndyCap:

um, doh

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famicom:

actually

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famicom:

I found a really sweet broadcom chipset

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famicom:

but they require a 10k minimum order

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dustybin:

blist all

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marl:

hi folks, have just installed a dvdr/w in my mythbox, and am trying to get myth to play dvds, when i click on play dvd, the screen goes black for a couple of seconds and then goes back to the myth fonrtend, if i exit out of mythfrontend and look at the logs, i can see 'error reading block from dvd: expected NAV packet but none found' prior to that there is another error 'libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1004 for vts_ptt_srpt->title[i].ptt[j].pgn

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marl:

if i put in a cartoon dvd, then i get the inital dvd screen up, then when i select play dvd, it drops back to the mythfrontend

[19:06:48]

dustybin:

marl: you need to install some dvd libraries

[19:06:54]

dustybin:

css libraries IRRC

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dustybin:

marl: what distro?

[19:07:54]

dustybin:

libdvdcss2 – Simple foundation for reading DVDs – runtime libraries

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marl:

ubuntu

[19:08:40]

dustybin:

try: apt cache search libdvdcss

[19:08:49]

dustybin:

try: apt-cache search libdvdcss

[19:09:26]

marl:

shows libdvdread3

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directhex:

libdvdcss is not in any legit distro

[19:09:30]

marl:

and libdvdread-dev

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dustybin:

directhex: my debian lenny is legit !

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directhex:

libdvdcss2 is in medibuntu (for ubuntu) and debian-multimedia (for debian) repositories

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marl:

do u know were i can get a list of the apt sources mediabuntu?

[19:11:16]

dustybin:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu

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marl:

thanks :)

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marl:

libdvdcss2 installed, but still the same errors

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marl:

i shouldnt have to restart the system should i?

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marl:

ok, that was wierd, it still wont play the cartoon dvd, but will play one of my other dvds

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marl:

picked up another dvd there and tried that, got the copyrote scren up then it bombed out before showing the menu

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marl:

log reads : libdvdread: cant seek block 3605092, invalid IFO for title 2 (VTS_02_0.IFO), ifoOpenVTSI failed

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marl:

does this indicate a duff dvd drive?

[19:36:41]

kormoc:

or a duff disk

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marl:

disk played fine in the PS2

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balachmar:

Hi, I think I know why mythwelcome soens't shut down...

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balachmar:

I get the following message in the terminal when it is trying to shutdown.

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balachmar:

2008-05–20 21:42:01.070 write -> 15 32 QUERY_IS_ACTIVE_BACKEND[]:[]htpc

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balachmar:

2008-05–20 21:42:01.070 read <- 15 4 TRUE

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balachmar:

(By the way just poweroff doesn't work either.)

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balachmar:

I guess he thinks that the backend is active and therefor it doesn't shut down

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balachmar:

ok with mythshutdown --check I don't get that message but it won't shut down either

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balachmar:

I previously just had exit 0 there, so it would mind checking if it was running. (This was just to check why it wouldn't shut down)

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dustybin:

i run a mail server at home using postfix, courier-imaps, squirrelmail

[20:30:06]

dustybin:

if i open up port 143 on my router, would it be possible for my cellphone to communicate with my imap server

[20:32:35]

marl:

can someone tell me how to playback a dvd that has been ripped to iso format?

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dustybin:

marl: rip the iso using mythtv

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marl:

have done

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dustybin:

then use mythvideo to play it back

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marl:

sorry ripped a dvd to iso with myth

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marl:

do i have to re-rip the iso file after that?

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keith4:

dustybin: what the hell does your cellphone have to do with myth?

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dustybin:

sorry wrong chan

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jduggan:

haha :)

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keith4:

and besides, how are we supposed to know if your cell phone has an imap client?

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marl:

dustybin, fyi, yes so long as ur cell will use imap protocal! :)

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secleinteer:

hi, does anyone know where i can find good info on building an high def htpc to run mythtv on?

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dustybin:

marl: you need to extract the files from the ISO

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dustybin:

ISO is a container

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dustybin:

(you silly sod :p )

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marl:

ok wasnt sure if myth could auto loop mount the iso

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dustybin:

marl: myth can do many things, but it isnt god

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marl:

so in general im better just ripping with one of hte other options?

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marl:

lol, why not?

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dustybin:

i havent ripped anything using myth, ill test it out one day

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dustybin:

apart from audio cds

[20:46:04]

dustybin:

imagine how cool it would be recieving emails, just like you do SMS messages on your cellphone

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dustybin:

imap + port 993 ftw

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marl:

imaps

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dustybin:

yep

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keith4:

dustybin: lots of us already do that. they're called "smartphones"

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marl:

lol

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dustybin:

keith4: you dont need a smart phone for that, lot of normal cellphones support imaps

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keith4:

yah, but lots of them also don't

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dustybin:

ok

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keith4:

secleinteer: combined frontend/backend? frontend only?

[20:47:49]

secleinteer:

keith4: just one box, which would also be a general server for running torrents, storing all music/video, backing up my laptop, etc.

[20:48:01]

keith4:

oy

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abqjp:

Hauppage says the HD-PVR will *not* support DD5.1 initially, but should in a "later version". Is that a firmware issue, or a driver issue?

[20:49:07]

keith4:

secleinteer: personally, i wouldn't want anything with that much disk in it anywhere in earshot of my TV

[20:49:27]

secleinteer:

keith4: yeah, well extraneous sound doesn't bother me much

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keith4:

secleinteer: when you say "high definition", do you actually mean that you want to record HD content?

[20:49:32]

secleinteer:

i know what you mean though

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secleinteer:

keith4: yes

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secleinteer:

as in a HD-dr

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secleinteer:

dvr*

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keith4:

how do you get your TV?

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secleinteer:

satellite

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AndyCap:

from torrents. :P

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secleinteer:

may switch to cable though

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fn1:

i get mine on soo many different levels... we undertand each other

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secleinteer:

AndyCap: yeah, that too lol

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secleinteer:

i think keith4 meant broadcast tv though ;/

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gbee:

marl: mythtv can play isos

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AndyCap:

yes..? :)

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marl:

gbee how?

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keith4:

secleinteer: i don't think there's an easy answer to your question

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fn1:

in the video section...

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secleinteer:

keith4: maybe i should just do the two part deal?

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secleinteer:

is that easy to find info on?

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keith4:

you will need a lot of CPU for HD playback, a decent video card, as much disk space as you can afford, room for at least one HD tuner...

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keith4:

I record HD content at about 5G/hr

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keith4:

for example

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fn1:

<8gb

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secleinteer:

well, i plan to use it just for temporary timeshifting

[20:52:44]

secleinteer:

not for too much recording

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fn1:

<-- ~8 gb

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gbee:

marl: you need to use mythvideo, set it up to point at the directory containing the iso(s) and then goto the video manager to load the list of files, after that it should be accessible via the normal mythvideo interface – just select it, hit enter(ok) and it will play

[20:52:52]

keith4:

right, but it sounds like you also want it to be a fileserver

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: hehe, thats what all people say before they start using myth

[20:52:55]

secleinteer:

i'd just torrent the show if i were doing that, as it's much cleaner

[20:53:14]

secleinteer:

AndyCap: well i have a SD phillips dvr right now, and i don't record usually

[20:53:19]

secleinteer:

but maybe it'll be easier with myth

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secleinteer:

keith4: yeah, but i said i'm willing to do a two part setup if that's necessary

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secleinteer:

with the fileserver separate

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** keith4 shrugs **

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keith4:

nothing's "necessary"

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keith4:

it's very flexible

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secleinteer:

yeah, i know

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: mythweb. click the shows you want.

[20:54:10]

secleinteer:

but i'm not sure i want to do the dvr right now, i may wait on that

[20:54:11]

keith4:

but, if you approach any bottlenecks, your playback will suffer

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secleinteer:

so i could leave the frontend for later

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: what's the output btw?

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keith4:

and piling more and more services on your myth frontend will put you close and closer to the bottlenecks

[20:54:45]

secleinteer:

keith4: yeah, i'm aware of that

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fn1:

ive had trouble with prebuffering pauses on my FE ever since .21

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secleinteer:

so i can just put the torrents, etc. on the separate box in another om

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secleinteer:

room*

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secleinteer:

AndyCap: output?

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secleinteer:

you mean the tv?

[20:55:10]

secleinteer:

haven't bought it yet xD

[20:55:16]

secleinteer:

i've yet to look into that lolz

[20:55:20]

keith4:

secleinteer: i just built an HD frontend for < $500, that's nearly silent, and very small

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gbee:

fn1: disable deinterlacing – it's enabled by default in 0.21 but your machine can't handle it

[20:55:25]

keith4:

but you could also just use a mac mini

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secleinteer:

never!

[20:55:35]

secleinteer:

i won't touch an apple product with a 10 foot pole

[20:55:41]

keith4:

your loss

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: ok. hdmi or dvi then.

[20:55:44]

fn1:

gbee: ill try that... but its a dual core 2.6 gbz

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keith4:

secleinteer: running linux, of course

[20:55:56]

secleinteer:

i hate the logo

[20:56:06]

secleinteer:

it would be a blight on the room's decor

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gbee:

fn1: hmm, maybe video driver related then

[20:56:14]

keith4:

you really can't beat it, for price/performance/size

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secleinteer:

keith4: so can i build a standard fileserver for the backend?

[20:56:17]

fn1:

newest nvidia

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secleinteer:

nothing special?

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gbee:

fn1: hd or sd?

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: you need room for the tuners thouogh.

[20:56:32]

secleinteer:

keith4: yeah, yeah, i'd rather do it myself

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secleinteer:

AndyCap: on the backend?

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fn1:

yup, backend doesnt need to be too powerful... just try for gige

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: yes

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fn1:

gbee: hd

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keith4:

well, recording isn't CPU intensive, but things like commercial flagging and transcoding are

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gbee:

fn1: have you enabled threaded decoding in the playback profiles?

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fn1:

gbee: also played fine, before .21 for hd

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keith4:

I have a beefy backend, so that it can start commflagging immediately, while it's recording, without trouble

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secleinteer:

AndyCap: so the backend decodes the video and sends it raw to the frontend?

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fn1:

gbee: not sure where do i look for that

[20:57:20]

AndyCap:

secleinteer: not raw.

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gbee:

fn1: defaults changed with 0.21, you probably just need to change them to suit your hardware

[20:57:41]

keith4:

secleinteer: no, the frontend decodes it

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secleinteer:

AndyCap: well isn't it going to generate a lot of network traffic? do i need a gigabit connection?

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: 100mbit should do fine

[20:57:59]

fn1:

gbee: can you recomend what all i should look at , and perhaps change from > to

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keith4:

100 is fine, yes

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secleinteer:

even for 1080p?

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: yes.

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secleinteer:

kk

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: it's still compressed until it gets to the frontend

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secleinteer:

keith4: so the frontend doesn't need a very high end processor, or what?

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keith4:

yes it does

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keith4:

the frontend does the decoding

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secleinteer:

kk

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secleinteer:

what about the backend?

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directhex:

p3–500

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keith4:

backend doesn't need much

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fn1:

AndyCap: he was also talking about torrenting, and add in multiple fe, i would think gigabit would be good

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: just enough to take data from pci or usb and stuff it on the disk.

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keith4:

except for comm flagging or transcoding

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secleinteer:

so a 2ghz sempron should be enough?

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keith4:

but if you're willing to wait for commflagging to run while you're not doing anything else, like overnight, you don't need much CPU in the backend

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secleinteer:

hmm,

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keith4:

2ghz sempron would be fine for backend

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AndyCap:

and lossless cutting is nice since it drops the transcoding.

[21:00:31]

AndyCap:

hmm, is lossless for mpeg2 only?

[21:00:39]

secleinteer:

well commflagging is only needed for recorded tv, and i don't think i'll be recording too much :P

[21:01:19]

keith4:

.. then what do you want myth for?

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secleinteer:

timeshifting

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secleinteer:

pausing, etc.

[21:01:37]

secleinteer:

and to play video i torrent

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secleinteer:

with a good frontend

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secleinteer:

what about ram?

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secleinteer:

is 1gb enough?

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keith4:

neither backend nor frontend need a lot of ram, in my opinion

[21:05:28]

jarle:

Anybody have a good setup for transcoding and renaming (a copy of) recordings for copying to a portable media-player?

[21:05:41]

dustybin:

is there a way to password protect mythvideo so no one can see my porn collection?

[21:05:54]

keith4:

jarle: no, but I have a crappy setup to do that

[21:06:02]

keith4:

dustybin: parental controls?

[21:06:06]

jarle:

dustybin: parental settings?

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dustybin:

aye thanks :D

[21:06:39]

secleinteer:

alright, then i'll just borrow a gig from this computer ;)

[21:07:14]

secleinteer:

keith4: what about hdd's for the backend – any speed requirements?

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jarle:

keith4: any pointers? I'm in the process of setting up such a system and was thinking that mythrename and nuvexport would be something to look into?

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keith4:

jarle: not really. but i'd be interested to know what you come up with

[21:08:02]

keith4:

secleinteer: you probably need to do some more research, other than listening to my opinion

[21:08:22]

keith4:

not that I don't value my own opinion, but I don't want to be liable for your frustrations ;-)

[21:08:31]

secleinteer:

keith4: well i did originally come here asking for some places i can find info ;p

[21:08:39]

secleinteer:

are there any good sites with tutorials, or forums, etc.?

[21:08:48]

keith4:

uh. mythtv.org?

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jarle:

keith4: I just noticed this patch that might come in handy for automatically making a copy of each recording automatically: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5379

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mofu:

having some issues with multiple HD streams now that I got a HDHomeRun, recording 2 HD, HD playback on remote frontend, Commercial Flagging 2 HD? 2.8Ghz Celery-D, RAID 0 using kernel RAID. Am I running out of disk, memory, cpu, or network bandwidth??

[21:09:44]

jarle:

keith4: so how do you do it today?

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secleinteer:

keith4: i meant something that isn't easy to find lol

[21:09:59]

secleinteer:

sometimes google lies about these types of things

[21:10:12]

mofu:

playback on frontend is fine when the backend is not overloaded

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javatexan:

do you know if mythtv will run on yellow dog?

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kormoc:

mofu, how are we to know what your system is running out of?

[21:12:54]

kormoc:

mofu, there are tools for you to use to figure that stuff out yourself

[21:14:39]

mofu:

just wondering what other people had isssues with

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kormoc:

mofu, all of the above and then some?

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mofu:

Am I going to need some quad core monster to just handle recording and streaming multiple HD programs?

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PatrickDK:

mofu depends what multible are

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PatrickDK:

hd is 2mbyte per stream

[21:18:45]

PatrickDK:

any normal harddrive should be able to handle atleast 10 streams

[21:19:05]

PatrickDK:

your network might max out at 3 streams

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PatrickDK:

if you wanted realtime comm flagging then you will need a quadcore monster then

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mofu:

PatrickDK: thanks, I think I will look at that first, I'll put the HDHomeRun on a separate NIC going into the backend

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javatexan:

i need another cheap frontend...anybody got any ideas on what to get: xbox or xbox360 with linux, ps3, el cheapo computer....my mind is swimming.

[21:25:10]

javatexan:

having bluray would be nice....but.....not sure if its worth the extra cash .......yet

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PatrickDK:

javatexan, heh, I have two gx270's that I managed to get for $20 each

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javatexan:

cool dude....i cant believe those old xboxs are still like $65 bucks

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javatexan:

where did you get the 270s

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Dagmar:

javatexan: If there's a Craigslist for your city, they tend to be godsends for finding those sorts of machines

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Dagmar:

Between the two, just about any SFF box is going to be better than an XBox

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Dagmar:

$20 is a @#$@ awesome price for those, even without hard drives and/or memory

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javatexan:

SFF? Sorry

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Dagmar:

eBay is another semi-decent place to look for them, but I'm astaining from eBay until this lawsuit is settled.

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Dagmar:

eBay does *not* play fair.

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javatexan:

true

[21:38:05]

Dagmar:

SFF == Small Form Factor

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javatexan:

ah...yes

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Dagmar:

Basically, Dell will take a notebook-styled motherboard and CPU and put them in a very tiny chassis with maybe as many as two PCI slots, integrated video and audio, and put it in a teensy weensy desktop box

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javatexan:

yep...where did you get yours?

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Dagmar:

Mind you there's two SFF chassis styles they've favored over the last ten years... one with two PCI slots and one even _smaller_ box without.

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javatexan:

lol

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Dagmar:

THey all have network ports since they're originally marketed as workstations for offices where space is at a premium

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javatexan:

we buy dell all the time at work...never seen them for 20 though

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Dagmar:

Heck, I have one on my desk at the office.

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Dagmar:

You can't hear the fans

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javatexan:

where did you find yours....not dell.com right?

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Dagmar:

WHen you couple a laptop mainboard and CPU with a 40mm fan (which is FAR larger than a laptop would need) it doesn't even have to spin at full speed to keep up

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Dagmar:

Less rotation == less noise

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javatexan:

do you have a url to the place you bought them from?

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Dagmar:

javatexan: Look at http://geo.craigslist.org/iso/us/tx

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Dagmar:

I'll bet you'll be able to find one in your city

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Dagmar:

...for sale under "computers"

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Dagmar:

People and some small companies tend to dump their "isn't modern enough for us anymore" stuff in there for dirt cheap

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dustybin:

Dagmar: do you have a stack of hardware at home

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javatexan:

just guessing...but i would say yes on that one ;)

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Dagmar:

dustybin: Unfortunately, yes

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Dagmar:

I have *really* got to list some of the extra motherboards and stuff I hav and get *rid* of them

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Dagmar:

I went through several different motherboards while I was building my Myth box

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Dagmar:

Craigslist is *EVIL* for my budgeting

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dustybin:

i dont think we have craiglist here in UK

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Dagmar:

You sure about that?

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Dagmar:

http://geo.craigslist.org/iso/gb

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dustybin:

http://london.craigslist.co.uk/

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Dagmar:

This is why eBay decided to try to steal their "market"

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dustybin:

interesting

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** dustybin looks for a cheap frontend **

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Dagmar:

Very, very lame of them. eBay bought a minority share in Craigslist, and then used this to appoint someone to their board that right afterwards starrted Kijiji, *eBay's* community free classifieds site

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Dagmar:

They bought adwords from Google for Kijiji using Craiglist as the keyword, etc etc

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Dagmar:

Craiglist pretty much ignored it until eBay decided to try and sue Craigslist for some complete bullshit

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dustybin:

i didnt even know craiglist existed

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Dagmar:

It's been around for ages

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javatexan:

me neither

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Dagmar:

Heh I even met Craig once, utterly by accident

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dustybin:

ill make use of it instead of ebay

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dustybin:

o_0

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Dagmar:

Being localized, there's pretty much no shipping costs, and people treat it like a giant yard sale

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Dagmar:

I bought my last CAR through Craiglist

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Dagmar:

$2000 for my little BMW 325i (1991)

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Dagmar:

It's lasted um, four years now

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dustybin:

ace

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Dagmar:

$42/month is damn hard to find in a car payment. Heh

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dustybin:

its like ebay without the bullshit

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Dagmar:

I <3 it

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Dagmar:

...except when I've emptied my toy budget

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kormoc:

there's a fair number of fucktards on there tho

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kormoc:

there's least 100,000,000 single moms who need my computer for free, if I had the heart to give it to them

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but they're easily ignored, and you can flag their posts as 'miscategorized' until they get the hint and start posting that in the "stuff wanted" section

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Dagmar:

Ther'es a BUNCH of Wii scalpers still trying desperately to convince people there's a shortage of them

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kormoc:

oh, I mean people responding to my postings

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Dagmar:

Ah... I've not really had a problem with that, but I've not listed but a half dozen things there

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Dagmar:

I would however suggest that if you buy a laptop on there (or something like that) you tell the seller you're going to call the company and check the serial on the spot before you hand them the money

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Dagmar:

Large amounts of that on ebay is stolen tho, so it not like it's intrinsic to CL>

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Dagmar:

Like, all those spare/replacement parts, probably 75% or more is stuff that was the result of a stolen laptop being torn down for parts

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Dagmar:

It's easy to spot. Sellers with a lot of parts, but none of the pieces that would hava serial number on it

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Dagmar:

Most of the time the deals are quite legit tho. I *was* astonisd that the laptop I bought from a guy on there for $600 actually cleared when I called SOny

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Dagmar:

Someone had a Libretto the other day, and I nearly plotzed

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** dustybin looks for a stolen mac mini :D **

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Dagmar:

Actually, lol I just remembered I even found my current *apartment* listed on CL

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Dagmar:

Some law student who just graduated and didn't want to sell her condo since it was on the river and stuff

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Dagmar:

Geeks make pretty good renters so long as the electrical wiring is up to snuff. :)

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dustybin:

because i run a mail server, the next geeky thing im going to do is get my cellphone communicating with my imap server at home

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dustybin:

..now thats what i call cool

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dustybin:

i need to change the listening ip of this

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dustybin:

server:~# netstat -natp | grep 993

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dustybin:

tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:993 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3748/couriertcpd

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dustybin:

once its all setup properly, my cellphone will warn me about new email and i can read it

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dustybin:

just like SMS

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dustybin:

IMAP + cellphone = perfect mix

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Dibblah:

Remember to rate-limit. Otherwise people could get nasty at you.

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dustybin:

what is rate-limit?

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Dagmar:

At the very least I'd use tcp_wrappers to limit it's connections to *just* the cell phone network's IP block

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Dibblah:

Limit it to 1 every 30 seconds or so.

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dustybin:

ill limit the check to once every 10 mins

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dustybin:

thats ok enough for me

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Dagmar:

the idea being keeping people from trying to brute-force passwords and IDs

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dustybin:

i see

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dustybin:

yes ill use my firewall to block

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dustybin:

im using fail2ban, and that is capable of banning brute force attacks on lots of protcols, including courier

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dustybin:

Apache/2.2.8 (Debian) PHP/4.4.4–9+lenny1 mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at

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Dagmar:

Kill that

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Dagmar:

ServerToken Prod is the directive, I *think*

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Dagmar:

Then it won't tell everyone exactly WTF you're running

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Dagmar:

Sorry... ServerTokens

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dustybin:

aye yes i know what you mean

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dustybin:

i think black hat crackers are just a myth to scare people

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compy:

what are some alternatives to mythtv, and are they worth a shot to trying, IE how do you all feel about mythtv? For a music center (have my other computers connect to it and stream mp3s (is this possible? ))and to play dvds on tv is it worth it? or is there something easier?

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Dagmar:

dustybin: I am not a myth

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dustybin:

:-0

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dustybin:

compy: there is nothing to compare it with

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Dagmar:

...and if my coworker wasn't having children that need to vacation with him at the end of this month, I'd be drinking in Atlanta with a LOT of people who would make you terrified

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compy:

dustybin: ie its the best option to use?

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dustybin:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Anyway, it's no longer the hobbyist one needs to worry about... It's actual organized crime.

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compy:

and has anyone gotten it to work on mac?

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dustybin:

compy: better off using linux

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Dagmar:

compy: There really *aren't* any alternatives for what MythTV does, and MythWeb is just startlingly featureful

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Dagmar:

You can definitely stream your mp3 playlists with MythWeb

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dustybin:

m3u

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xris:

compy: I know of people running mythtv on mac minis.. granted, they're running linux.

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xris:

I run the frontend in OSX just fine, too.

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compy:

ok so is mythweb a part of mythtv or separate?

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cesman:

MythWeb is a plugin

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cesman:

it is installed separately

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compy:

ok

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compy:

so mythweb will allow me to stream my music on a LAN and WAN?

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Dagmar:

No difference between the two unless your WAN link is a 56k modem

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xris:

sort of

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xris:

cesman: technically, it's an alternate form of a frontend

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I'd say that's a good assessment of it at this point

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Dagmar:

I completely didn't expect to see the music stuff in it now

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compy:

so if my mythtv box is in my room and my mac OSX is in my living room, will it be possible to access my music/movies if its all on my stored on my mythtv box?

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compy:

my mac is a laptop

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jduggan:

just mount it with NFS

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compy:

yeah it is

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a1fa_:

dmz: how you been?

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compy:

wait i think its ntfs?

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compy:

as you all can tell im really new with all this stuff

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jduggan:

lol, there's a difference

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jduggan:

google.com

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jduggan:

;]

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jk1joel:

anybody know a command to query a video file for its resolution, framerate, aspect ratio, etc?

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jk1joel:

I know I can fire up mplayer and look at the output, but I'm looking for a cmd line program to use from scripts

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jduggan:

ffmpeg -i

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jduggan:

i think =]

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beandog:

midentify ?

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jk1joel:

-i just means take an input file. with no output params, will it just show info on the file?

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jk1joel:

jduggan's method seems to work.. ffmpeg starts up, examines the input file then complains that no output file was specifies and exits out

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jk1joel:

but it doesn't show the aspect ratio

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jk1joel:

beandog: I don't have midentify on my box. what is it?

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beandog:

jk1joel, part of mplayer

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beandog:

http://rafb.net/p/M9yGVS74.html

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Dagmar:

jkljoel: Once you install MPlayer, you'll have midentify

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Dagmar:

There are command-line arguments to make it emit the information as variable assignments, which is VERY handy

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jk1joel:

I have mplayer but I can't find midentify. Is it only in newer versions?

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beandog:

I just pasted the entire script

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beandog:

^^

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jk1joel:

beandog: thanks

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Dagmar:

jkljoel: Lame. It's mainly just a wrapper that calls MPlayer and it's distributed with MPlayer normally IIRC

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WattoDaToydarian:

hello everyone! I was wondering how I would go about installing release-0-21-fixes/mythextras/mythflash into my mythweb. Has anyone tried this?

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WattoDaToydarian:

I tried looking at the how-tos in the wiki and that appears to be old

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xris:

WattoDaToydarian: the compiled version of that player comes bundled with .21

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xris:

you just have to turn it on in the settings.

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WattoDaToydarian:

xris: thanks for the info, I didn't realise that. I opened a recording in mythweb and the flash player showed up but it stopped loading in the middle and at the bottom of the page I see "", { className: "popup" }); " I am using IE6 SP2.

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xris:

for one, upgrade to IE 7... or better yet, firefox.

[23:06:34]

xris:

as for the "stop".. that's what you get for using proof of concept beta software. sometimes it just doesn't work.

[23:06:56]

xris:

doesn't work for me on my quad core backend, either. it used to, but doesn't anymore. and I wrote half of it.

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Ra^:

blame xris!!!

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Ra^:

;)

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WattoDaToydarian:

I agree with firefox, I am just currently on my P2 laptop so I'll try it with firefox later

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xris:

WattoDaToydarian: I've been trying to develop web pages to work in IE 6 for the last 2 weeks. IE 7 is at least sane when it comes to CSS. 6 deserves to die a horrible FAST death.

[23:09:04]

WattoDaToydarian:

Is it possible to make it work at all or is it broken for sure?

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WattoDaToydarian:

xris: Yes the only thing is IE6 runs faster on 128MB of ram...

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xris:

RAM is cheap. :)

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, it's a hell of a lot of work to update

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WattoDaToydarian:

not for the ol' thinkpad 600

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xris:

I don't know why things stop playing. usually, it's because the player doesn't actually support buffering, and stops playing (and trying to download more) when it hits the end of the file it's downloading.

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Dagmar:

People should not continue to use IE6

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WattoDaToydarian:

ahh, I can see that is going to take some work... I'll just pass for now then.

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Dagmar:

...and at 128Mb of RAM, you're running most of the thing in swap/virtualmemory

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WattoDaToydarian:

lol prolly

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Dagmar:

How can you even *stand* to deal with XP with 128Mb of RAM

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Dagmar:

THer'es no "probably" to it.

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WattoDaToydarian:

I disabled/deleted a lot of stuff

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Dagmar:

XP gobbles up pretty close to 256Mb of RAM just startring up

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WattoDaToydarian:

I also have another question, I was looking at the flash MP3 player how-to and it also appears to be old. Is it currently possible to get that working?

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ajh:

WattoDaToydarian, if you're still using a 600E google for "alan cox thinkpad battery explodes"

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Dagmar:

lol

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ajh:

and hope you're not excessively bearded.

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ajh:

May 20 19:23:24 banff gnome-power-manager: (mythtv) GNOME interactive logout. Reason: The power button has been pressed.

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ajh:

So... why do I see that in *.info but nothing happens.

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ajh:

ok, not nothing, the remote stopped working.

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WattoDaToydarian:

ajh: I actually have one of those 3rd party china ones that barely works

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ajh:

all 600E batteries barely work in a few months, there's a flaw in the charge management on them.

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ajh:

they habitually overcharge.

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Dagmar:

Heh there's an easy solution to that

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WattoDaToydarian:

gravity test!

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ajh:

but since you can buy a used X22 for $150.

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Dagmar:

Use the machine constantly and never let it get to full. ;)

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ajh:

hrm, ok exit & shutdown didn't either.

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Dagmar:

It's a shame you can't disable charging through the kernel somehow

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Dagmar:

Someone would be all over that problem

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Dagmar:

That sort of problem has "engineering grad student" written all over it.

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WattoDaToydarian:

you know, that X22 looks pretty good! I might get one someday

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Dagmar:

I got a used X41 for $75. It's about to replace the service firewall I'm IRCing through

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Dagmar:

It's not so easy to find low-profile network cards without mail ordering tho

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Dagmar:

The Gateway Profile 4 I got actually runs as a frontend over 802.11g just fine, although it *is* like 20 feet from the AP which is over on channel 11 with little interference

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Dagmar:

SInce it's got an optical drive, I would have used it as the firewall, and the X41 as a secondary frontend, but the Profile 4 looks prettier

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WattoDaToydarian:

for $75 that is a hell of a deal

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WattoDaToydarian:

how did you manage that?

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