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Monday, May 19th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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dustybin:

why does mythweather not update the mythweather is loading, i need to use my remote to forward onto the weather listings

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kormoc:

dustybin, or research (as intended)

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kormoc:

re-search that is

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kormoc:

dustybin, cause you haven't written a patch to fix it?

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dustybin:

aye i know, im not moaning at all, im just giving out some things ive found

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dustybin:

oh yes

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dustybin:

why does mythweb create mpegs with long serial numbers, why not put the film title, time etc on it so they can be played back easily without mythtv

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** kormoc sighs **

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dustybin:

actually i think time and date is on them already

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kormoc:

dustybin, those are what mythtv itself creates

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dustybin:

just the title maybe

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kormoc:

mythweb doesn't create content...

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dustybin:

nope this is mythbackend

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kormoc:

dustybin, uhh... try reading what is on the screen?

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dustybin:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2013773468 2008-05–01 02:46 1032_20080501004000.mpg

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kormoc:

dustybin, read what was said

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Dagmar:

dustybin: BEcause the point is that *mythtv* can find them

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dustybin:

1032_20080501004000_The_Peep_Show.mpg <-- maybe that

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dustybin:

aye ok

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kormoc:

dustybin, there's scripts in contrib that can change that stuff

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Dagmar:

...and because this prevents stupidly insane wrong characters from winding up on filesystems that we have no control over.

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dustybin:

aye ok, i see

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kormoc:

dustybin, but again I say, MYTHWEB does not create content

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dustybin:

im not talking about mythweb at all, only the film search

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kormoc:

<dustybin> why does mythweb create mpegs with long serial numbers

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Dagmar:

dustybin: Then you shoudln't have _said_ "mythweb"

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dustybin:

kormoc: sorry typo

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kormoc:

that's one hell of a typo

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dustybin:

lol

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dustybin:

im using myth news to show bits of bbc news website, it only seems to grab 1 sentence of each headline, but when i click on it nothing happens

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dustybin:

maybe thats just how it works

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kormoc:

reiser, arn't you in jail?

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dustybin:

maybe he phreaked the jail phones

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mcintyem:

I am running .21 with F9 and Intel graphics. MythTV says the renderer xvmc-blit is not available.

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mcintyem:

Where to start?

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mcintyem:

The xorg.conf is configured acording to instructions on intellinuxvideo and the XvMCConfig has the correct library

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cesman:

mcintyem: did you compile MythTV w/ XvMC?

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mcintyem:

--version says it is compiled in, but i think the current install is a package

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mcintyem:

--version has using_xvmc using_xvmcw and using_xvmc_vld

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mcintyem:

cesman: Does that verify it is compiled correctly?

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mcintyem:

I have searched through the mailing list but I did not find a solution that helped.

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cesman:

mcintyem: yes

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cesman:

mcintyem: cat /usr/lib/XvMCConfig

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mcintyem:

/usr/lib/libIntelXvMC.so.1

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mcintyem:

(which exists)

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cesman:

if the libs are there and MythTV is compiled w/ support that is the only thing I can think of...

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mcintyem:

Hm. There is a post that says composite has to be disabled (from May 7th 08)

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mcintyem:

Didn't help, just made whatever the gnome window compositing manager mad.

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mcintyem:

Okay, well, I'll stay tuned if anybody else has some ideas.

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mcintyem:

cesman: thanks.

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cesman:

you're welcome

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psm321:

i get "Could not connect to server "" @ port -1" in the backend log whenever i hit enter for the menu on a program in the program guide

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jabra:

greetings

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cesman:

hello jabra

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jabra:

going to be building a mythtv machine in the future so I figured I would join this channel.

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cesman:

:)

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jabra:

spending time planning out the machine before I purchase the parts

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iamlindoro__:

Would be nice if we saw more of that. Next thing you know he'll be telling us he read the wiki. ;)

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autojack:

hey, jabra. I went to Northeastern :)

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iamlindoro__:

I went to school a block further down Huntington ;)

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jabra:

nice

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autojack:

ooh Wentworth.

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iamlindoro__:

Nope

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jabra:

i'm reading the wiki now

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iamlindoro__:

Other direction

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jabra:

found a dead link

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jabra:

it is an external link but o well

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autojack:

YMCA? heh.

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jabra:

heh

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jabra:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Technical_Details

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iamlindoro__:

About a hundred yards further, but pretty much

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autojack:

I don't remember anything else right on Huntington.

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jabra:

has Myth Architecture link that seems to be dead

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iamlindoro__:

NEC

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autojack:

what's that?

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iamlindoro__:

Only one of the top five music schools in the country. *sigh*, I weep for our youth

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autojack:

oh, New England Conservatory.

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autojack:

right right

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autojack:

I forgot they were there.

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autojack:

my band teacher was a professor there as well.

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iamlindoro__:

A good deal older than the other schools you mentioned too :)

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jabra:

there are tons of schools in boston

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autojack:

yeah, that's why I left ;)

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autojack:

it's not THAT much older than NU. NU was founded in 1868 :)

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autojack:

er I mean 1898.

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autojack:

and NEC was 1867.

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autojack:

so this is weird. why would my formerly-working modeline now cause X to give a "no valid modes" error and fall back to defaults?

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autojack:

same hardware, just new nvidia driver and new xorg version.

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autojack:

Google isn't turning up much so far.

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jabra:

reviewing the user's mythtv machine

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jabra:

gonna setup a single frontend and backend with 1 TB with software raid 1

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TalibJayid:

kormoc: hi sir

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kormoc_:

Mornin'

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xris:

sutula: use fqdn, not short names.

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kormoc_:

or UPnP and not even worry bout frontend setup

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sutula:

xris: You mean in the backend setup, or while trying to get a front-end working?

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kormoc_:

sutula, everywhere would likely be required

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sutula:

I can try that...however, it seems that whenever I mess with the backend setup, I lose any programming. The database seems to be tied to the server names I supply. Does that seem right?

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kormoc_:

Yes, they are. You can update the db and it will re-find them tho

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TalibJayid:

2008-05–18 23:41:31.580 NVP: Video is 3.5933 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

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TalibJayid:

what can i do about that?

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kormoc_:

TalibJayid, get a faster cpu? change video playback profiles?

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iamlindoro__:

TalibJayid: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback . . . einterlacers

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xris:

sutula: both. they have to match

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TalibJayid:

dual core

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sutula:

kormoc: Ok...I'll try, what does "update the db" mean, though...what do I do to make that happen?

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xris:

sutula: and yes. "hostname" is a key field in many of the db tables.

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kormoc_:

sutula, update tables set hostname = 'new.host.name' where hostname = 'old.host.name';

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sutula:

kormoc: Is there an easy way to do that, or do I need to mess with SQL...I've done only a little of that

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kormoc_:

sutula, SQL

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sutula:

kormoc: OK, thanks ...you too, xris

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TalibJayid:

kormoc: my cpu is OK, so it must be some kind of profile thingie

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TalibJayid:

current video playback profile is cpu+

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TalibJayid:

weird, i enabled xvmc and i get no sound

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TalibJayid:

kormoc: if i have dual core, should i put max cpus to 2?

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kormoc_:

sure, but that only affects h264/x264

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fryfrog:

TalibJayid: is that a playback setting or a jobs setting?

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TalibJayid:

playback

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fryfrog:

oh, humm i need to find that

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fryfrog:

i've got a dual core and i don't think i have ever set it to 2

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fryfrog:

course, it seems to playback x/h264 fine

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clever:

i dont see a need to put decoding of jobs on several cores

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clever:

just seems simpler to run several jobs paralel

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fryfrog:

clever: what do you mean?

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kormoc_:

clever, it's playback decoding, you're only watching one at a time

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fryfrog:

clever: h264 playback decoding multi-core is so that (potentially) it plays back well

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clever:

i mean theres no need to make jobs(transcode/flag) use several cores for h264

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clever:

so it would only be a playback option

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fryfrog:

ah, not transcode/flag

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fryfrog:

there is a jobs flag of how many processes to run

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clever:

yep

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fryfrog:

that is the only "cpus" type thing i knew of

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clever:

ahh

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TalibJayid:

this is weird

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TalibJayid:

i no longer get volume in myth all of the sudden

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clever:

i get that on ocasion if flash(inside firefox) claims /dev/dsp and doesnt release it

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clever:

then i start playback

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TalibJayid:

i wonder why i am getting these on occasion

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TalibJayid:

2008-05–19 00:01:51.982 NVP: Video is 3.58937 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

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TalibJayid:

do you guys ever have the chug.... chug... chug... chug... chug when myth is recording?

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kormoc_:

nope

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TalibJayid:

you can hear the hard drive every few seconds

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kormoc_:

my drives are decently silent, and decently new

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fryfrog:

sorry, i use an array and all i can hear are the fans :p

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fryfrog:

WHIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRR

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TalibJayid:

i can always tell when i am recording something

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TalibJayid:

because you will hear disk activity steadily every few seconds

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TalibJayid:

i have a pvr 150mce

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fryfrog:

sounds pretty reasonable

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TalibJayid:

fryfrog: that is normal?

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fryfrog:

i imagine linux is disk buffering, then syncing, then buffering, then syncing

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fryfrog:

nfi, but it doesn't sound *abnormal*

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fryfrog:

you know, except that maybe your hard drive is a little loud (or your ears are really good)

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kormoc_:

I bet it's less linux and more the drive's write buffer

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TalibJayid:

i cant figure out why i am getting the occasional one of these

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TalibJayid:

2008-05–19 00:05:11.947 NVP: Video is 3.9575 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

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fryfrog:

yeah, could be that too

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TalibJayid:

i didnt get them before .21

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fryfrog:

but i am *pretty* sure drive buffers are used only for reads?

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kormoc_:

TalibJayid, repeating it over and over again doesn't really help things...

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kormoc_:

fryfrog, not at all. You can enable write buffering

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fryfrog:

oh?

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kormoc_:

fryfrog, it's really only recommended for BBU/UPS setups, but aye, some drives allow it

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fryfrog:

okay, but the pretty standard "default" is that drive cache isn't buffering writes

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kormoc_:

Aye

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fryfrog:

and you'd have to go enable it yourself

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TalibJayid:

fryfrog: what can i change if i am having that problem?

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kormoc_:

unless some distro does or the like

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fryfrog:

nfi, sorry

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kormoc_:

TalibJayid, try setting your playback profile to cpu++?

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fryfrog:

i doubt (m)any do, it'd be a pretty garunteed data loss

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TalibJayid:

kormoc: i did it and it behaves exactly the same

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TalibJayid:

this wouldn't be so confusing if it didn't used to not happen

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TalibJayid:

i've used myth for years, with older machines than this, but ive just had this same problem since .21 or so

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fryfrog:

which w

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TalibJayid:

huh?

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fryfrog:

sorry, ssh lock up

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TalibJayid:

what was your q?

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fryfrog:

i forget

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TalibJayid:

<fryfrog> which w

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fryfrog:

locked up longer than my short term memory :)

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TalibJayid:

<TalibJayid> i've used myth for years, with older machines than this, but ive just had this same problem since .21 or so

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fryfrog:

i don't have a problem with my eyeballs moving in an upward direction

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TalibJayid:

just thought that would remind you

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kormoc:

turn off aggressive audio buffering?

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TalibJayid:

ok

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TalibJayid:

you mean extra audio buffering?

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TalibJayid:

kormoc: didn't make a diff

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TalibJayid:

im soooooo confused

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TalibJayid:

i must be missing something

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Pasteurized:

morning all

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justinh:

the start of another shitty week in my shitty job yay!

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AndyCap:

justinh: sounds like you're way overdue for quitting and finding something else

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justinh:

really? I hadn't noticed

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Pasteurized:

I notice that you have an internet access at work

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Pasteurized:

not so bad job ^^

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justinh:

I'd rather be too busy

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justinh:

and engaged in something more stimulating than assembling boards into chassis & wrestling with shitty bleeding edge software

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famicom_:

hsh

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famicom_:

hush

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famicom_:

just say you gave up and are now wanking to porn

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justinh:

while sitting in an irc channel? lol

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famicom_:

hey

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justinh:

a logged irc channel at that

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famicom_:

i'm sure someone like you has mastered one handed typing

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justinh:

piss off

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famicom_:

mind your language

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justinh:

you said 'wanking' and I resent the implication I'm a wanker

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jduggan:

haha

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Pasteurized:

start of my lirc deamon always fails

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Pasteurized:

do you know where I could find why ?

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justinh:

lirc is one big failure

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Pasteurized:

I have a Pinnacle PCTV remote with receiver on serial port

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Pasteurized:

my remote is gonna turn me mad

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Dibblah:

I think Linus should learn to say what he means. "Because my IQ goes down just from reading your mails. I can't afford to continue."

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Hoxzer:

he really said that ?

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Dibblah:

Hoxzer: It's pretty much typical Linus when people are being stupid.

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Dibblah:

Or when he thinks people are being stupid.

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fryfrog:

how is that not saying what he means?

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: Many apologies – It appears my <sarcasm> </sarcasm> tags dropped off in transit.

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Dibblah:

<sarcasm>I think Linus should learn to say what he means</sarcasm>. "Because my IQ goes down just from reading your mails. I can't afford to continue."

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Dibblah:

Better?

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directhex:

i say that to people on occasion

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directhex:

and i'm sure i felt my iq drop 20 points that one time i was forced into watching an episode of Dawson's Creek

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propagandhi:

anybody know why when i adjust the volume when watching tv it does nothing at all

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propagandhi:

but when watching movies etc it's all good

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directhex:

using digital audio?

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justinh:

directhex: turn the sound off to preserve your IQ

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fryfrog:

i hate how irc scripts off <sarcasm> tags unless they are properly escaped :/

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: Actually, they were implicit.

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propagandhi:

ok.... anybody have a clue?

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propagandhi:

at all??

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fryfrog:

i don't have a clue, but i have a clue bat

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fryfrog:

do you desire a beating, issued forth via a clue bat?

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propagandhi:

fryfrog: do you have a brain cell that you can lend me to solve my problem?

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justinh:

linux user support – tough love

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directhex:

the ball is in YOUR court, since you've been issued with a request for clarification but not used it

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propagandhi:

if not then I guess there is no point in us engaging in conversation

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fryfrog:

no, i ran out... never could kick that paint huffing addiction

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justinh:

so propagandhi answer directhex' question

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propagandhi:

i was hoping for informed insight in this channel. Every part of my myth install is lovely but i cannot adjust television volume

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** justinh fears he may have to shout **

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directhex:

justinh, evidently he doesn't want help, so at this point i feel no remaining desire to help

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directhex:

so whether he answers or not, i really don't care anymore

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propagandhi:

ok no worries

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propagandhi:

sorry did not realise directhex question was for me

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propagandhi:

but the answer is that I am using basic audio out from my unit

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justinh:

I didn't see anybody else talking about audio problems at the time

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propagandhi:

justinh: thankyou

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justinh:

check the settings for which mixer device is selected in mythfrontend

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propagandhi:

take a look and realise i only just joined the channel, so honest mistake to think there may have been other conversations happening

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propagandhi:

the mixer device is the correct one, any other sound I adjust works perfectly its only when I watch tv and try to adjust volume. I can set it all the way to 0 but no change occurs at all

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** directhex would concur with the mixer suggestion, if he could be certain that mplayer is being used for mythvideo, vut doesn't feel like jumping through hoops to find out **

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justinh:

mplayer is still unfortunately the default video player on a lot of mythtv setups :(

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propagandhi:

yes my player is mplayer

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propagandhi:

i use mythbuntu 8.04

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fryfrog:

propagandhi: what setting are you using?

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directhex:

then it's definitely a mixer setting problem

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fryfrog:

I think I have "ALSA:default" as my audio device (manually typed) and "default" as the mixer.

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directhex:

i forget where in the FE setup that's configured

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propagandhi:

fryfrog: which setting are u referring to

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fryfrog:

propagandhi: humm, er

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propagandhi:

xfce setup??

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directhex:

propagandhi, your problem is a mythtv frontend configuration issue

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directhex:

propagandhi, the fact that mplayer is fine proves that

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fryfrog:

i hate trying to remember where settings are in myth, but i want to say an early setting in the frontend, like "general" or 'playback" maybe

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propagandhi:

where in the frontend would i find such a setting

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propagandhi:

or in conf files etc etc

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propagandhi:

where do i begin my searching

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fryfrog:

^^

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justinh:

fryfrog: audio setup stuff is in 'general'

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fryfrog:

ah, there ya go

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justinh:

there are no config files for mythfrontend. I don't count mysql.conf anymore

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fryfrog:

i'd just have a big smortgisbort in the front end settings

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justinh:

er.. mysql.txt, even

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propagandhi:

or my.cnf even

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justinh:

my.cnf is for mysql not mythfrontend

[12:13:16]

propagandhi:

ok well thats why i am here

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fryfrog:

you find it yet?

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** justinh points at #ubuntu-mythtv for mythbuntu problems **

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justinh:

the default settings should just work out of the box – that's the whole idea behind mythbuntu. I've you've broken it by taking a guess at settings...

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propagandhi:

justinh: i've changed no settings whatsoever

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propagandhi:

let me at least tell you this much, I'm not a linux newbie, the only issue I have at all is volume settings in tv

[12:15:35]

propagandhi:

I have 4 frontends in my house

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propagandhi:

and gigabit ethernet throughout

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justinh:

dunno wtf this has to do with the audio problem

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propagandhi:

the only issue I've experienced at all is the tv volume problem

[12:16:18]

propagandhi:

well i think i just explained that justin

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propagandhi:

its the 1 and only issue i have

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** justinh points at #ubuntu-mythtv for mythbuntu problems **

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propagandhi:

thats it

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propagandhi:

i dont screw with settings that i dont understand thats why i am here

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propagandhi:

are u going to provide help? if not, just ignore my posts

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directhex:

have you changed the mixer setting yet?

[12:18:10]

propagandhi:

yes, my mixer only provides the capability to change the PCM volume, the FRONT volume, and the MIC

[12:18:28]

propagandhi:

because as i said, all i have plugged in is the basic audio jack

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directhex:

sigh.

[12:19:01]

directhex:

in the frontend, under general, there are 2 audio settings – the output device and the mixer

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propagandhi:

can i screen capture what i have in my mixer

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directhex:

for most people, that should be ALSA:default and default

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propagandhi:

yes let me show u that

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propagandhi:

one sec

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propagandhi:

where can i put this screen cap

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propagandhi:

or if u'd prefer me just to explain it, mine looks as u described, alsa, default and default

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directhex:

then talk to #ubuntu-mythtv, this may be a problem caused by their ubuntu-specific patches to the audio stuff

[12:25:14]

justinh:

you can configure mythfrontend to adjust only the PCM mixer control

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justinh:

again that setting is in the general page

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propagandhi:

justinh: looking into it now

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numb3rwang:

next dickhead please

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sid3windr:

:>

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gbee:

that'll be me then :) Just trying to figure out how I'm going to copy over recordings to the new drive when I don't have a spare sata port ...

[12:40:17]

numb3rwang:

uber-neato USB-sata thingy :)

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directhex:

yes!

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directhex:

sata to usb is handy

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numb3rwang:

about £15 from the 'friendly' local computer emporium these days

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numb3rwang:

cos you're not a geek til you've copied data across drives when at least one of the drives is hanging by its power cable

[12:43:52]

numb3rwang:

other than that – only other suggestion is a spare machine which has a spare sata port... unless you can free up the box to run a PATA optical drive with a live CD in it.

[12:44:09]

numb3rwang:

assuming the box even has pata.. :)

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gbee:

figured it might come down to usb-sata, but I was hoping to get it down today without needing to make a shopping trip :)

[12:44:57]

gbee:

oh there are other options, live cd is one or network transfer between this machine and another

[12:45:23]

numb3rwang:

if you're starved of sata ports not much you can do without shopping or re-arranging insides of boxes

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gbee:

all very fiddly though, just wish I'd remembered that the mobo only had two sata

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numb3rwang:

gonna try to make sure my next board is PM aware

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gbee:

think I might just move the old drive across to the machine it was destined for, then copy the files back across the network

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numb3rwang:

it'll get there eventually

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numb3rwang:

wheee – gone will be the days of using Virgin Media with mythtv.. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a96265/ . . . in-2009.html

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gbee:

yay, it scheduled a fsck for the reboot – but since the old drive is no longer there it's getting upset

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mefistofele:

I have a digital cable box... what kind of capture card should I be looking for?

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numb3rwang:

sdtv, analogue unless your digital cable box has firewire

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numb3rwang:

e.g. Hauppauge pvr150

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gbee:

older model samsungs have a driver to switch them into 1.5 mode for boards which don't support 3.0 – seems the newer ones don't, you have to download a floppy/iso boot image which contains a utility to change the speed

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gbee:

:(

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gbee:

driver? err, jumper

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numb3rwang:

hauppauge are making a component capture device capable of grabbing HDTV but I wouldn't count them as supported yet

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numb3rwang:

gbee: ouchy

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directhex:

yet

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numb3rwang:

directhex: I said yet

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gbee:

numb3rwang: yeah, it's pretty lame – jumper is much easier

[13:38:22]

kslater:

indeed yet, I'm saving my pennies and hopefully it will be just in time for yet to have occurred

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mefistofele:

numb3rwang: For that setup myth needs to send ir signals to the box to change channels, and I can only have 1 encoder per digital cable box, correct?

[13:38:59]

** kslater worries about MPAA and them trying to suppress such a box **

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numb3rwang:

mefistofele: yup

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numb3rwang:

kslater: like by disabling analogue component outputs? heh

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numb3rwang:

if that ever happens just opt out. hit them where it hurts

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kslater:

I think they've already commented on that, they won't be able to affect older devices of course, but new stuff will likely be HDMI w/ HDCP

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numb3rwang:

hdcp is already defeated

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directhex:

there's a (sdtv!) cable channel in .uk that only works via hdmi

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numb3rwang:

just costs more than a cable

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gbee:

directhex: hmm?

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directhex:

gbee, some shitty movie channel on virgin

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gbee:

weird :)

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numb3rwang:

funny that they go on about preventing piracy & whatnot yet they announced the other week they're carrying loads more newsgroups with much better retention

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gbee:

expecially since Virgin don't provide hdmi on their normal boxes

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gbee:

well there goes another Monday, might as well not bother getting out of bed

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** gbee goes in search of coffee **

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numb3rwang:

almost handed my notice in today. I need to act

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directhex:

gbee, i think it's a VOD channel. i forget what it's called

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numb3rwang:

filmflex probably

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Pasteurized:

in my /etc/lirc/hardware.conf REMOTE_DEVICE is not fill; Do I have to set device ?

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Pasteurized:

(I think it should be /dev/ttyS0)

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numb3rwang:

the lirc docs will know, as ever

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Pasteurized:

my english is not as better as the lirc docs

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Pasteurized:

:)

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directhex:

aha!

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directhex:

HD FilmFlex Movies and the 'Music' section are subject to HDMI content protection (HDCP) and cannot be viewed over component.

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gbee:

I've not got anything against HDCP really, so long as I can still use my devices or watch TV in the way I chose

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directhex:

except the entire point is to remove that choice from you, and move it to the content vendors

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gbee:

it's when they use stuff like HDCP to deny me rights that I get pissed :)

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directhex:

it all started with dvd, really – css, macrovision, and (worst of the bunch from an anti-user perspective) prohibited user operations

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numb3rwang:

VHS started it

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numb3rwang:

macrovision!

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numb3rwang:

great theory that it'd prevent piracy without affecting anybody. wrong

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gbee:

I've yet to see HDCP being used in a way which I object to – unlike DRM on music, I'm sure it will happen but right now I'm not so concerned

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numb3rwang:

and yet, macrovision never prevented any piracy. funny, that

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numb3rwang:

wonder how much piracy affected home movies before home video...

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gbee:

the blueray copy protection bothers me more, the ability to revoke keys etc

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gbee:

all the stuff which has the potential to prevent linux users watching BlueRay, or even just computers

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numb3rwang:

I'll just continue to go to the cinema I think

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numb3rwang:

there's FA worth watching more than once

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numb3rwang:

and I can count the amount of useful 'special' features I've seen on one hand

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numb3rwang:

you can't beat the collective experience. infact I wish there was more than just film available to watch in cinemas

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numb3rwang:

we could have like the old matinee bollix but for current HD wonders like Lost, Heroes, 24 etc. meet up in the pub before & after.. sounds like a winner to me

[14:06:51]

numb3rwang:

better than the old isolationist sitting at home with a doovde/download/myth recording. society is vanishing up its own arse

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numb3rwang:

on the plus side, it's almost home time :)

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gbee:

ahh crap, bios can't even see the drive for the utility to change the speed

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numb3rwang:

wonder whatever happened to up-negotiating speed on buses

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gbee:

last time I had this problem with a samsung drive I just added the jumper, this is definately a step backwards

[14:22:29]

numb3rwang:

so wtf has happened to backwards compatibility?!

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numb3rwang:

sounds like it's as alive & kicking as Dodos

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gbee:

guess I'll just stick that drive in another machine for now until I can replace the motherboard with something Sata 3.0 compatible

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gbee:

great start to the week then :)

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directhex:

gbee, or run the utility to switch it to sata1, on another pc

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gbee:

directhex: doh

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gbee:

coffee obviously wasn't strong enough, because I did think of that 20 minutes ago but then forgot

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gbee:

right, done – lets see if the bios can now see the drive

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gbee:

nope ... weird

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gbee:

well thanks for the reminder, but this bios is shit – still can't see the drive

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gbee:

worked just fine with the other machine

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igor321:

hello

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igor321:

i have trouble setting up lirc

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igor321:

can somebody help?

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igor321:

nessuno?

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gbee:

I was going to suggest #lirc, but there are just three people in there

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Pasteurized:

there, they suggest lirc.org

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igor321:

yeah, but i have a specific problem and there's like 200 people here

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gbee:

igor321: it's better if you tell us what the problem is

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iamlindoro_:

You won't get anywhere asking for volunteers, might as well just ask

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igor321:

right...

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igor321:

i configured a ps3 remote to work with lirc

[15:17:50]

igor321:

and when i start irw the button presses are all there

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igor321:

but i doesn't seem to work with anything else

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iamlindoro_:

You need to write a proper lircrc, then

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iamlindoro_:

for myth, it's ~/.mythtv/lircrc, for all other programs it's ~/.lircrc

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igor321:

even thoug there are buttonpresses in irw?

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iamlindoro_:

note that the myth one has no preceding .

[15:18:44]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, of course.

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igor321:

yes, those files are empty for me

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igor321:

only comments

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iamlindoro_:

irw just maps the IR signals to common names, you still have to map the keypresses to functions in each program

[15:19:34]

iamlindoro_:

If you are on anything *buntu, I suggest apt-get install mythbuntu-lirc-generator

[15:19:41]

igor321:

is there any way to do it automatically, something like a learn function

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iamlindoro_:

which will automagically create files w/ your lircd.conf

[15:20:03]

iamlindoro_:

otherwise you have to write your own. check the mythTV wiki, plenty of information there on how to do so

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igor321:

no way to generate lircd.conf automatically or semi-automatically?

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iamlindoro_:

If you have keypresses in irw, your lircd.conf is fine

[15:20:50]

iamlindoro_:

you need lircrc files

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iamlindoro_:

and i *just* explained how you can generate them automatically on *buntu

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igor321:

yes and thank you for that

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igor321:

but i can't seem to find my lircd.conf

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iamlindoro_:

updatedb && locate lircd.conf

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iamlindoro_:

probably in /etc or /etc/lirc

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igor321:

it also has only comments

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igor321:

weird

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iamlindoro_:

igor321, Listen again please-- if you get buttonpresses in irw, your lircd.conf is fine, whatever you might think it contains

[15:23:44]

igor321:

but how am i supposed to make a lircrc file with an empty lircd

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igor321:

i'll try anyways and let you know

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igor321:

thanks for your help

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iamlindoro_:

Your lircd.conf is *not* empty. You're either looking at the wrong file or you think they are comments and they aren't

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jams:

iamlindoro- would you like a wall to bang your head against?

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iamlindoro_:

irw won't work without a working, correct lircd.conf

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** iamlindoro_ nods emphatically **

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igor321:

i think it can, cause i'm using a special daemon of sorts, bluetooth driver

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directhex:

which device?

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iamlindoro_:

If that's so, then all bets are off and you're on your own. Can't see how that would work any differently, though.

[15:26:16]

iamlindoro_:

that is, unless directhex wrote the driver and can edumacate me. ;)

[15:26:26]

iamlindoro_:

directhex, PS3 BT remote

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igor321:

ps3 remote is the device

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directhex:

whose driver?

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igor321:

http://antst.mine.nu/linuxdriverforsonybdremote

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, the names of the keys are in the keypresses in irw, so you don't *technically* have to look at lircd.conf anyway

[15:29:31]

iamlindoro_:

press a button, if it's called "Up" then you use that in lircrc, etc., etc.

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directhex:

i haven't tried anst's driver

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jams:

i see the keynames are predefined in the driver..no lircd needed

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iamlindoro_:

Mmmmmm, compliantish

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jams:

heh there is a lircrc file for elisa

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iamlindoro_:

button = ok; Config = BuyOurCodecs?

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iamlindoro_:

Or maybe I'm thinking of a different program-- wasn't Elisa the one that prompted you to buy their codecs when free alternatives existed?

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jams:

yes

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jams:

thats the one

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directhex:

jams, i think it's a neat solution – standalone daemon, works with lirc apps

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iamlindoro_:

It's funny, all the brouhaha about the theoretical Ubuntu Media Center being centered around elisa, since Elisa is largely theoretical itself

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directhex:

jams, it's neater than my keyboard-emulating python script to do the same job

[15:36:24]

jams:

directhex- like the wii-mote driver?

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igor321:

i wish i had gone with the python script

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igor321:

too late to go back now

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Pasteurized:

I dont understand : I've set the correct IR remote in mythtv, no error with LIRC daemon, and it's not workin :(

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** iamlindoro_ steps back into the "doesn't help with LIRC" closet **

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directhex:

jams, based on a wiimote driver!

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directhex:

jams, well, partially

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jams:

all things i would like to add to my setup..but seem to lack time

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Pasteurized:

iamlindoro_: since i didnt see any problem with lirc, i asked if it was possibly a mythtv issue

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iamlindoro_:

Pasteurized, absence of an error is not an indication of no problem

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Pasteurized:

not a wrong clue

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iamlindoro_:

And since you haven't told anyone what remote you're using, what distro, whether you compiled myth yourself, whether you have irw output, etc., it's not going to get you very far

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Pasteurized:

that's true

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, to be fair, usually no news IS good news

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, true true, but lircd will also happily start for various drivers (I'm looking at you, serial) without any sort of working device :)

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, what lircd? or am i confusing 2 different people?

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Pasteurized:

mythbuntu 8.10 w/ Pinnacle PCTV rave

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Pasteurized:

(serial IR remote)

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, Maybe, Pasteurized seems to be a new contestant

[15:42:35]

directhex:

we DO see more lirc action than #lirc in here...

[15:43:11]

iamlindoro_:

directhex, Did you catch that I'm coming to your isle tomorrow?

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iamlindoro_:

A week of no IRC, I might just go *sane*

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directhex:

we DO have internet cafes

[15:44:23]

directhex:

i hear they have a computer just about *anyone* can use, in london! :o

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iamlindoro_:

Pasteurized, try mode2. If you don't get output from that, it's lirc that's the problem. then try irw. If you don't get output, then your lircd.conf is to blame. *Then* you can look at your lircrc/MythTV if all of those work.

[15:45:01]

Pasteurized:

the weird thing with this TV card, is that i'm able to watch TV on tvtime, but not on mythtv :/

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, Bah, too bad I'll be in Edinburgh ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Pasteurized, Did you set your card up properly in mythtv-setup? Signs point to no.

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Pasteurized:

thx mate

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Pasteurized:

i'll work on it

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gbee:

not impressed with dvbshop – no sign of them dispatching my order a week after it was made and no response to my email

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Kakerlake:

Can someone advise me a dualtuner dvb-s card with dual tuner and hardware encoding?

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jams:

hey xris..got the harmony one working over the weekend, seems to be working ok.

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iamlindoro_:

Kakerlake, DVB doesn't need hardware encoding

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iamlindoro_:

Encoding/compression of digital signals is doe at the provider end, not the user one.

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xris:

cool.. mine's been working great. except that I can't get lirc working at all for myth.

[16:06:53]

Kakerlake:

Good to kknow

[16:06:56]

xris:

but that's another issue. :)

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iamlindoro_:

Kakerlake, As for dual tuner, don't know if there are dual DVB-S cards w/ linux support, but linuxtv.org's DVB wiki the the place to look for supported cards.

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iamlindoro_:

er is the

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Kakerlake:

Seems like there are no DVB-S dual tuner cards supported

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iamlindoro_:

Seems like it

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jams:

i think the transmitters on the mx-500 are more powerful, but i suppose there are always tradeoffs.

[16:12:44]

Kakerlake:

The last card i had was a pinncle pctv pro but i died because of missing headspreader...

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Kakerlake:

*The last card i had was a pinncle pctv sat pro but it died because of missing heatspreader...

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: a whole week without IRC? lol. I go on holiday & often go without net access end of story. that's why it's called a _holiday_

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, thus my "I might go sane" rather than the expected "insane" :)

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justinh:

I dunno like – all those deep fried Mars bars they'll force down your neck

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gbee:

Kakerlake: no dual-tuner DVB-S cards that I'm aware of

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justinh:

I thought there was one, albeit with drivers written by the devil himself

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justinh:

had a nasty fright when I went to fill my car up with diesel today. £1.20.9 a litre!

[16:22:07]

gbee:

there are a couple of unsupported ones, I'm not aware of any with drivers whether they are open source or otherwise

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gbee:

justinh: ...

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justinh:

der... must be my monday brain then gbee

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gbee:

justinh: may just mean that I've not seen it, not that it doesn't exist :)

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gbee:

it's not a big issue here in the UK anyway, FreeSat is all on a single mux

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justinh:

is it?

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justinh:

even BBC HD?

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gbee:

apparently – might again I might be mis-informed

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gbee:

won't stay that way though

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justinh:

even so I think just one dvb-s tuner would be enough for me

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justinh:

guy at work just bought a linux based STB/DVR for HD. £500 & it's only got an ST40 inside

[16:26:17]

justinh:

pulls 60W from the mains so no big advantage there other than the fact it doesn't look like arse

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, how did the ATI graphics card end up working out? Can't recall whether you gave up and went nVidia

[16:27:39]

justinh:

pluggable dual tuners though – dvb-c, dvb-t & dvb-s available

[16:28:12]

justinh:

gbee: are there any screenshots of the ATI TV out tweaking tool anywhere?

[16:28:32]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: works beautifully, for the 2 weeks I was using the svideo instead of HDMI the picture quality and overscan options were much better than I got with the nvidia driver

[16:28:49]

iamlindoro_:

*If* the ATI drivers have improved to the point of offering Xv, as I understand it, This may now make an amazing case/Mobo: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article795-page2.html

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gbee:

justinh: let me find out :)

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Penfold:

justinh: 1,.25.l diesel on the A1 near Beford on Sat *wince*

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justinh:

ouchy

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Penfold:

?1.25/l, even

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tim1:

hi guys mythtv says i have 4 encoders i only have 2 how can i fix this.

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justinh:

good job I'm getting 63mpg then

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iamlindoro_:

tim1, If they're digital tuners, that's normal behavior.

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justinh:

tim1: dvb tuners? 2 recordings per card is the default maximum

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keith4:

why only 2?

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justinh:

means you can record 2 shows at the same time using only one tuner if they're on the same multiplex

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justinh:

keith4: sensible default

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: that looks a lot like the motherboard I bought

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justinh:

you can hack the code & make the upper limit whatever you like within reason. I managed 10 recordings from one card on my crap old athlon 800 box

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, Ah, neat. Glad to know it works well. It's attractive to me as it's one of the few cases I've seen that actually *looks* like a real, non-behemoth AV component

[16:31:33]

keith4:

no need to hack ity

[16:31:37]

justinh:

you'd struggle to find 20 (or 30 in my case with 3 tuners) shows on at the same time _worth_ watching

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keith4:

true

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justinh:

keith4: there is if you want more than 5 :P

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iamlindoro_:

keith4, 5 is the max without hacking it

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jams:

iamlindoro- i have an earlier version of that thing..it's LOUD

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keith4:

5 is enough for me

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justinh:

15 virtual tuners here.. no conflicts since I upgraded :D

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Pasteurized:

i hope 1 will work for me ^^

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iamlindoro_:

jams, Oh, really? First version was nVidia graphics, right?

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Penfold:

but you could, given some driver level hacking, surely record the entire mux into a nice big circular buffer and use it as a massive 'whoops. I forgot' buffer :)

[16:32:49]

jams:

yeah it was nvidia

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iamlindoro_:

jams, I can see you needing to get creative about the cooling

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keith4:

jams: you'd think they'd note that on silentpcreview.com

[16:33:01]

jams:

dang thing also scratched my desk

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myth1:

Does anyone have parental codes working? Or is this feature not currently working? I've checked code and from the videocallery, it calls videoselected which brings up video window showing metadata but it does not have any logic I can see to require a password request before it calls play.

[16:33:05]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: actually the review says that it is (almost) it's the MSI K9AGM2-FID – mine is the K9AGM3-FIH (FID and FIH are variants of the same board with different connectors by default)

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jams:

keith4- thats a good point =)

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gbee:

I'm not sure the pictured board is a K9AGM2 – could just as easily be the K9AMG3

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justinh:

Penfold: you wouldn't even need to hack any drivers

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, Cool, sounds like it works well then. Too bad I'm not in the market for a new frontend :)

[16:33:53]

gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/large-18.png

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GreyFoxx:

just: the multirec default is 5 I think, not 2

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GreyFoxx:

ok, never mind, misread ya

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: shouldn't have said _maximum_ then... ;)

[16:34:48]

justinh:

and the default number of recordings per card _is_ two

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GreyFoxx:

I havemine set to 10 without any problems

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gbee:

mine also has S-Video/Component, but it's not shown in that picture (seperate bracket)

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GreyFoxx:

just: yeah

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esperegu:

Will the item 'No. of recordings to keep: ' prevent recording if the maximum is reached? should I then add 'Record new and expire old:' or will that make only 1 item recorded/saved?

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justinh:

hope that answered your question tim1

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jams:

keith4- they do make note of that

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justinh:

esperegu: it does what it says it'll do

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keith4:

ah, well there ya go

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jams:

The sound the fan emitted was akin to a high-pitch optical drive motor spinning at moderate speeds or a very small vacuum cleaner. It was loud enough that we did not even bother measuring or recording its noise level

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esperegu:

justinh: if I understood it I would not ask =)

[16:36:04]

justinh:

esperegu: if you set a max. of shows to keep without saying record new & expire old, it'll stop recording when it has x shows

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keith4:

i got my frontend down to nearly silent, in a silverstone lc19 with a c2d and big-ass copper heatsink

[16:36:25]

justinh:

esperegu: I thought the help text would explain it sufficiently

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jams:

"It's an acceptable amount of noise for a home theater PC."

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keith4:

ha

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keith4:

that's an odd opinion

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esperegu:

justinh: where can I find the help text?

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justinh:

jams: meaning "put it in a well ventilated cupboard well out of earshot"

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justinh:

esperegu: it's on the page where you set the settings

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justinh:

esperegu: and I've explained it just now too

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esperegu:

justinh: yeah. but in case I find something else I don't get ;-)

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esperegu:

justinh: see no help on that page though

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jams:

"The addition of the southbridge fan made the unit unbearable, even for a media center."

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keith4:

wow

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jams:

oh well...I'm not going to be buying one.

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keith4:

yah, the southbridge on mine gets too-hot-to-touch, but the manufacturer decided it didn't need a fan

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gbee:

justinh: can't find any screenshots online, I'll connect the svideo and take a screenshot of my own when I get the time

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esperegu:

is it also possible to have an item automaticly removed after you watched it?

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keith4:

i have it set to ask at the end

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esperegu:

keith4: how you did that?

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keith4:

eh, i dunno. it's buried somewhere in the menu tree

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iamlindoro_:

IIRC there were some links and interesting information in the newegg page for that Hiper case to coolers that made it pretty quiet

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esperegu:

keith4: which menu tree? in mythweb?

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keith4:

no, in the frontend

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keith4:

or do you mean just for one show?

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esperegu:

keith4: when I finish watching a specific recording.

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esperegu:

keith4: found some settings. lets' see if it works. thx!

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keith4:

wow, that Hiper HTPC has some odd features. like, an IR receiver/sender board that draws memory from a DIMM slot...?

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iamlindoro_:

That's definitely a weird bit. For a frontend only one DIMM slot should be sufficient, but odd for sure.

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keith4:

i need to go slap the kill-a-watt on my frontend and see what it draws, for comparison with these "low power" solutions

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tim1:

iamlindoro_: its not normal no, I have two tuners I can record, but then im limited to the number of channels i can watch.

[16:57:46]

iamlindoro_:

tim1, That *is* the normal behavior.

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iamlindoro_:

When they're in use, you can view what's on the same multiplex, ergo the limit on which channels you can watch

[17:00:06]

** justinh is a saint. he doesn't use livetv other than for tuner testing **

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gbee:

hmm, didn't notice that – it's clearly a K9AGM2 – K9AGM3 has four DIMM slots

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tim1:

iamlindoro i have 2 cards not 1.

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** iamlindoro_ throws his hands up in the air. **

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iamlindoro_:

Soemone else explain it to him, Patience over.

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keith4:

ooh ooh, let me try

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tim1:

One records the other sould be free with all channels right ?

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keith4:

yes

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tim1:

Look this wasnt used to happen before in gusty.

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iamlindoro_:

You weren't running .21 in Gutsy

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justinh:

tim1: then multirec came along which changed the way livetv worked forever

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keith4:

tim1: what tuners do you have?

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justinh:

keith4: somebody is just having trouble understanding the implications of multirec

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tim1:

justinh i understand what you mean.

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keith4:

are you even sure he has digital tuners?

[17:07:24]

tim1:

yeh digital

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justinh:

keith4: the only way 2 tuners can be reported as 4 encoders on a standard setup would be DVB tuners

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tim1:

ok this is how i think multi record should and works...................

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justinh:

tim1: nevermind how you think it works. livetv will by default only allow you to tune to channels on a mux currently being used by a tuner currently in use

[17:09:19]

keith4:

maybe he just needs to switch tuners on the frontend

[17:09:25]

justinh:

to kick it off that you need to switch to a different tuner. can't remember which key it is but it's Y or C

[17:09:27]

tim1:

I record on channel 1 other channels should be free from the card that's recoding channel 1, thou they will be limited. But the other card should be 100% free if im not recoding any thing on it.

[17:09:48]

tim1:

yes its y but nothing happends.

[17:10:16]

justinh:

sometimes I wish livetv would just go away

[17:10:21]

tim1:

even when i restart the frontend.

[17:10:22]

justinh:

there's NO need for it

[17:10:30]

tim1:

dont be daft.

[17:10:43]

tim1:

live tv!!

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justinh:

not being daft. just record everything you'd conceivably ever want to watch

[17:11:14]

tim1:

what if im infront of the tv and want to wach the news ?

[17:11:18]

tim1:

watch8

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justinh:

channel surfing is way too slow in mythtv anyway and eats way too many people's lives up

[17:11:51]

tim1:

ahh ethically i agree.

[17:12:11]

justinh:

I record the news too :)

[17:12:31]

tim1:

You watch out of date news ?

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justinh:

news never changes all day long. what was news at 7am is news at 7pm for the most part

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kormoc:

tim1, max episodes = 1, delete old and record new checked. Done

[17:13:26]

tim1:

ok, nice setup

[17:13:54]

justinh:

unless you mean Sky News... "breaking news.. at the 'celebrity' house we've been watching all week, the curtains have opened!"

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justinh:

seriously though I used to waste whole _nights_ channel surfing. used to eat up all my spare time just trying to find something to watch – then finding something decent & discovering it was half finished. only started using myth to play around & it's changed everything

[17:17:11]

justinh:

the whole paradigm of sitting in front of a TV watching what _they_ want you to watch, when _they_ want you to watch it will soon be ancient history one way or another I hope

[17:22:10]

justinh:

btw folks I read today (unless it's another hoax) that Murdoch has a whole load of theft coming his way soon. expect the number of dishes on streets to increase if it's true :P

[17:22:35]

Dagmar:

Murdoch?

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justinh:

Sky

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mikegrb:

from the A-Team!

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justinh:

nah this murdoch is a criminal, not criminally insane ;)

[17:23:32]

mikegrb:

or both!

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keith4:

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Dagmar:

keith4: Only if the FCC grows some testicles

[17:24:01]

justinh:

keith4: it's the ideal model for content creators & distributors

[17:24:05]

keith4:

someone in here was talking about how it's cheaper to just netflix the shows he wants to watch, by the season, instead of paying for cable

[17:24:10]

Dagmar:

I'm about a lodge a complaint with the FCC office in Atlanta if I can figure out the forms

[17:24:22]

justinh:

and for customers too if it's not too expensive/restrictive

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keith4:

you might enjoy this, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TrPwOrf4sM

[17:27:02]

justinh:

hehehe quality!

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tim1:

:)

[17:28:15]

justinh:

anyway regardless, I'm not naive enough to think that come total on-demand access to all my media, that I won't still have to fork out for a TV licence... God no

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jams:

xris- rebate arrived

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jams:

thanks

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xris:

cool. enjoy

[17:29:26]

justinh:

heh.. "The Onion: 'Iron Man' Trailer To Be Made Into Feature Film"

[17:30:01]

balachmar_:

Hi, my mythbuntu box is giving me problems. Mythwelcome son't shutdown the computer. Although in the terminal it does say it recieves a shutdown_now event

[17:30:35]

balachmar_:

I am trying to follow these directions: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythwelcome However they seem outdated in some ways

[17:30:35]

** justinh points at the #ubuntu-mythtv sign **

[17:30:36]

tim1:

I really like this feature in mythtv " Record this programme in this timeslot every day."

[17:30:47]

jams:

i also like the instant 10% off special code

[17:31:11]

balachmar_:

@justinh: I really think this is a mythtv configuration problem, so that is why I am here

[17:31:20]

justinh:

tim1: what I _really_ like is time mangling

[17:31:33]

iamlindoro_:

balachmar_, They hand mythbuntu in #ubuntu-mythtv, as justinh told you

[17:31:35]

tim1:

Explain

[17:31:37]

iamlindoro_:

er handle

[17:31:56]

keith4:

justinh: are you the one who watches all TV at 1.25 or 1.5 speed?

[17:32:01]

justinh:

tim1: watching a 1 hour show in er.. 45 minutes

[17:32:10]

iamlindoro_:

It's just like this room only slower and with a lot of small words

[17:32:13]

tim1:

what? lol

[17:32:14]

justinh:

or if it's 'Dispatches', 2x speed

[17:32:21]

balachmar_:

iamlindoro: But why can't I ask questions here about mythtv?

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justinh:

balachmar_: it's likely something mythbuntu specific

[17:33:00]

tim1:

balachmar_: its a simple issue google it.

[17:33:10]

justinh:

tim1: mythtv can play back recordings at greater (or less) than real-time speed

[17:33:17]

balachmar_:

tim1: Do you really think I didn't do that...

[17:33:26]

keith4:

balachmar_: for the same reason you can't go to #debian and ask about ubuntu

[17:33:31]

balachmar_:

tim1: this thing is bugging me for over a week

[17:33:34]

tim1:

justin you cant be seriuse.

[17:33:37]

justinh:

tim1: my wife watches all her soaps at 1.3x – saves LOADS of time

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justinh:

and the speed at which people talk in some documentaries I watch... 2x it is

[17:33:58]

balachmar_:

@keith4: do they change mythtv code in mythbuntu?

[17:34:03]

keith4:

my girlfriend insists on watching baseball... i can't stand it, unless it's at 1.5x

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justinh:

2x might even make cricket watchable

[17:34:17]

keith4:

mythbuntu is all kinds of hacked together crap

[17:34:24]

balachmar_:

Because I am not aware of that...

[17:34:42]

directhex:

keith4, hacked together in what sense?

[17:34:59]

keith4:

eh, nothing specific i guess. it always just seemed fragile to me

[17:35:04]

tim1:

i dont see the piont of mythubuntu

[17:35:05]

otwin:

directhex: in a trolling sense...

[17:35:15]

balachmar_:

But tim1 since you seem to know the answer is out there on the internet, do you have a link for me?

[17:35:25]

keith4:

like not being able to update things, without the house of cards tumbling down

[17:35:25]

justinh:

tim1: while watching a recording press M to bring up the OSD menu & select 'timestretch' then use the right arrow key to increase speed :)

[17:35:39]

keith4:

in its defense, it has been a long time since I tried it, and it might have gotten smoother

[17:35:42]

iamlindoro_:

I'm pretty impressed by mythbuntu, actually. But balachmar_ should still go to the proper channel for his support.

[17:35:58]

iamlindoro_:

rather than spending time that would have been spent addressing his issue arguing

[17:35:58]

justinh:

balachmar_: maybe it's just a matter of the user mythfrontend runs as, not having permission to run the shutdown command

[17:36:11]

directhex:

justinh, bingo

[17:36:24]

justinh:

but I'd have thought the mythbuntu guys would be better to ask since they'd know more about the specifics

[17:36:35]

tim1:

balachmar_: its to do with sudo rights try googlein "mythtv visudo" sudo thing like that. in fact give me a sec.

[17:36:36]

balachmar_:

well, it should have, since I have mythshutdown in the sudoers file

[17:36:40]

justinh:

like er.. why it doesn't just work out of the box ;)

[17:36:59]

tim1:

justinh:im gona see how that wrks im so exited

[17:37:07]

kormoc:

balachmar_, with nopasswd? and did you set the shutdown command to be 'sudo shutdown -h now' or the like?

[17:37:08]

balachmar_:

well it is a kind of quiet over there...

[17:37:28]

directhex:

justinh, mythbuntu doesn't use mythwelcome. there's a reason

[17:37:34]

justinh:

timestretch is also great for slowing down stuff you want to see again.. such as the unpossible stunts in Top Gear. play spot the edit ;)

[17:37:44]

balachmar_:

@kormoc yes with nopasswd. I have followed this page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythwelcome

[17:37:59]

justinh:

directhex: ah. didn't know that. now I do

[17:38:07]

keith4:

what is mythwelcome?

[17:38:14]

tim1:

hahahaha i like 0.5 speed lol

[17:38:28]

balachmar_:

keith4: you are joking right?

[17:38:43]

keith4:

balachmar_: um, no?

[17:38:44]

justinh:

keith4: mythwelcome is kind of a kiosk app designed to launch the frontend, report status & stuff.. and allegedly allow shutdowns

[17:38:50]

kormoc:

balachmar_, personally, most people don't use it. I've never actually seen it personally

[17:38:54]

keith4:

ew

[17:38:59]

keith4:

i just looked it up in the wiki

[17:39:36]

balachmar_:

I need to use it in order to get my box to wakeup at the right time for a recording. I don't like to have it on al the time

[17:39:40]

keith4:

does that only work on a combined frontend/backend?

[17:39:48]

balachmar_:

keith4: no

[17:39:52]

kormoc:

balachmar_, none of those instructions have you putting sudo in front of the shutdown commend

[17:39:53]

justinh:

keith4: for remote frontends too AFAIK

[17:40:16]

kormoc:

balachmar_, lies. mythbackend can shutdown and turn on itself

[17:40:50]

balachmar_:

I actually was thinking yes, but typed no...

[17:40:53]

balachmar_:

weird

[17:42:35]

balachmar_:

@kormoc: I will create some screen of the settings, maybe you could have a look at them?

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tim1:

justinh: i got my self a chipped xbox the other day :)

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keith4:

i still don't get what this is useful for... as far as I know, there are built-in scheduling abilities, and WOL support, no?

[17:46:48]

balachmar_:

@keith4: I think in your setup there is a seperate backend and frontend right? And the backend is always on.

[17:46:48]

tim1:

no

[17:46:50]

keith4:

mythwelcome is just a launcher for the frontend, that shows backend stats? so that the frontend can be launched easily, but not left running (because a frontend running will keep the backend from sleeping)?

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keith4:

it still looks like it's only useful for a combined front/backend

[17:47:54]

** keith4 shrugs **

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tim1:

keith$ yes

[17:49:17]

dustybin:

if i was to build my sister a frontend, what kind of hardcore should i go for?

[17:49:27]

dustybin:

*hardware

[17:49:35]

tim1:

chipped xbox

[17:49:36]

iamlindoro_:

depends the sister :)

[17:49:41]

keith4:

HD?

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dustybin:

:-0

[17:49:54]

iamlindoro_:

Pffft, the xbox is useless for anything worthwhile

[17:50:00]

directhex:

maaaaaaaaaac mini!

[17:50:08]

dustybin:

yep i was going to mention that

[17:50:09]

keith4:

minis get updated yet?

[17:50:20]

directhex:

keith4, does it matter?

[17:50:46]

dustybin:

could i use my VGA > SCART convertor box with a mac mini ?

[17:51:00]

keith4:

directhex: no, but it would be nice anyway

[17:51:49]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin, You could do DVI->VGA->SCART I suppose

[17:52:07]

dustybin:

aye ok

[17:52:08]

balachmar_:

@kormoc Here are screens of my settings, maybe you can spot the error: http://picasaweb.google.com/WLigtenberg/Mythtv

[17:52:16]

dustybin:

iamlindoro_: do the mac minis have s-video out?

[17:52:38]

directhex:

only via a dongle

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dustybin:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

^^^ Yup, a cheapie little thing

[17:53:10]

iamlindoro_:

i mean, it's sturdy, just inexpensive

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directhex:

balachmar_, and your sudoers?

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dustybin:

399 squid is a lot of cash for a frontend

[17:54:17]

dustybin:

but they do look nice

[17:54:30]

keith4:

overkill, if you're using s video, no?

[17:54:40]

balachmar_:

directhex: willem localhost = NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/mythshutdown,/usr/sbin/nvram-wakeup

[17:54:53]

dustybin:

how about apple TV, those boxes are only 199 squid

[17:54:59]

balachmar_:

that is the same user which runs mythwelcome

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directhex:

balachmar_, soooooo... your config says "sudo /sbin/poweroff"...

[17:55:26]

directhex:

balachmar_, and your sudoers doesn't...

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin, If you intend to do SD only, it can be done. HD is pretty questionable, especially with your better-than-the-US brand of HD in the UK.

[17:55:53]

balachmar_:

Do I need to add anything else? I thought that giving mythshutdown root privileges would result in that being given to everything else that mythshutdown would do

[17:56:04]

balachmar_:

and that was false then :)

[17:56:20]

keith4:

that's not how sudo works

[17:56:53]

balachmar_:

@keith4, now I know :)

[17:57:20]

dustybin:

iamlindoro_: aye ok

[17:57:37]

dustybin:

i would of thought the apple TV box would of supported HD without no questions asked

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keith4:

would've

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iamlindoro_:

It supports Apples crap-brand of HD with their software, but w/ myth in linux, more dodgy

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dustybin:

aye ok

[17:58:39]

iamlindoro_:

Anecdotally it can handle some, but I'll lay $10 down that it'll choke on BBC Hd for example.

[17:58:41]

iamlindoro_:

And choke hard

[17:59:07]

dustybin:

iamlindoro_: would one use the apple remote to control the frontend?

[17:59:15]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin, Yeah, you can

[17:59:18]

dustybin:

aye cool

[17:59:57]

dustybin:

the only downside is the price, apart from that it looks like a nice little box

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iamlindoro_:

the Mini will handle anything your throw at it. to the ATV, I shrug and say "meh."

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iamlindoro_:

I've come to terms with the fact that some will try to make anything into a frontend, and can even accept it as an SD frontend, but the people who say "I playz mah Aytch Dee!" I point and laugh.

[18:01:41]

dustybin:

o_0

[18:02:04]

iamlindoro_:

I heart the Mini, though.

[18:02:20]

clever:

iamlindoro_: i got mythfrontend on my cellphone

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clever:

though it wasnt actualy running on that cpu

[18:02:42]

iamlindoro_:

Then it's not on your cell phone

[18:02:44]

clever:

vnc client on the phone->Xvnc4 server on the laptop

[18:02:51]

keith4:

i have mythfrontend running on my PS3

[18:02:53]

clever:

it was just the ui on the phone

[18:03:04]

balachmar_:

@directhex: I have changed the sudoers file to be this: willem localhost = NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/mythshutdown,/usr/sbin/nvram-wakeup,/sbin/reboot,/sbin/powerof f,/usr/sbin/grub-set-default

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[18:03:15]

clever:

ive been looking into streaming recordings from the master thru the inet and into the phone

[18:03:23]

balachmar_:

but that doesn't work either, it just restarts the counter

[18:03:23]

clever:

but it would need a custom ui to control livetv

[18:03:52]

clever:

and to help in picking what to stream

[18:03:57]

balachmar_:

(I don't need to reboot for changes in the sudoers file right?

[18:04:37]

clever:

balachmar_: the sudoers file is read every time you run sudo

[18:04:45]

tim1:

any one know what happened to myth-key for configuring the shortcuts on the remote?

[18:05:24]

balachmar_:

clever: then why does it still asks me for a sudo password...

[18:05:44]

balachmar_:

if I do: sudo /usr/sbin/grub-set-default 3

[18:06:05]

clever:

you may not be formating the line properly

[18:06:05]

clever:

balachmar_: are you using visudo to edit it?

[18:06:07]

tim1:

bala also make sure your shutdown command is right ( it should have sudo in it)

[18:06:28]

balachmar_:

@clever: yes I did (I learned that the hard way once :) )

[18:06:34]

clever:

lol

[18:06:37]

clever:

mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown , /sbin/halt , /sbin/reboot

[18:06:41]

clever:

that one i know works

[18:06:46]

clever:

maybe the spaces mater

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balachmar_:

now it looks like this: willem ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/mythshutdown, /usr/sbin/nvram-wakeup, /sbin/reboot, /sbin/poweroff, /usr/sbin/grub-set-default

[18:09:24]

Dagmar:

They don't need traling spaces. Normal rules of English appy.

[18:09:29]

Dagmar:

s/appy/apply/;

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balachmar_:

still no luck

[18:09:37]

Dagmar:

s/traling/trailing/;

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tim1:

whats this "visudo: /etc/sudoers busy, try again later"

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dustybin:

what kind of power saving system would one use on a frontend only? I could leave the mini on 24.7, but there is no need for a frontend to be on 24.7, but shutting it down completely would require it to boot up everytime one wanted to watch TV

[18:10:11]

Dagmar:

It's a "you fail" message

[18:10:12]

tim1:

balachmar_: whats the command to shut it down

[18:10:22]

Dagmar:

Tehre's a stale lock file lurking about..

[18:10:51]

tim1:

sould be fine after a reboot

[18:10:55]

tim1:

?

[18:11:35]

balachmar_:

@tim1: sudo /sbin/poweroff

[18:11:54]

balachmar_:

But actually it needs to reboot, for nvram-wakeup to work

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balachmar_:

it is weird that sudo doesn't seem to work...

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phiqtion:

can i use mythtv to stream audio files to my xbox 360?

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tim1:

balachmar_: i will help you in a bit one sec

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justinh:

gawd linux on an xbox.. I'm not that impatient but jees

[18:15:19]

gbee:

phiqtion: yes ... but if that's your only reason for using mythtv then you'd be better off looking at a generic upnp server application

[18:15:26]

tim1:

is it slow ?

[18:15:29]

phiqtion:

gbee: like?

[18:15:59]

justinh:

tim1: pretty damn slow. xbox needs double the amount of ram it's got for linux to be a joy

[18:16:17]

justinh:

reminds me I need to put my s100 boxes on ebay still

[18:16:19]

tim1:

how can i get to an old suders file stored on a different hard drive (used to dual boot)

[18:16:31]

justinh:

mount it

[18:16:31]

BLACKthroat:

can anyone help with getting my remote to work?

[18:16:32]

gbee:

phiqtion: no idea – but mythtv would be overkill for streaming mp3s via upnp (don't have any upnp devices, so I can name specific software)

[18:16:40]

gbee:

s/can/can't/

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tim1:

justinh: i have , what about location. usaully you would do sudo visudo.

[18:17:27]

justinh:

/etc usually IIRC

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justinh:

as in /etc/sudoers

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justinh:

I feel a Linus outburst coming on

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tim1:

found it :)

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tim1:

balachmar_ the syntax is %mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt, /sbin/shutdown, /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh

[18:19:38]

balachmar_:

@tim1: I think I have resolved it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/131399

[18:19:46]

balachmar_:

Pretty annoying...

[18:20:02]

balachmar_:

But now it is recording something so I can't check... :(

[18:20:05]

tim1:

so command is sudo /sbin/halt

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justinh:

surely you can log out without affecting a recording though...?

[18:20:57]

balachmar_:

tim1: It seems that the last line which was: %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL

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tim1:

disturb it it will record when the back-end runs again.

[18:21:27]

balachmar_:

Overruled everything, because the user belongs to the admin group

[18:21:43]

tim1:

what?

[18:22:00]

balachmar_:

:) yeah fun thing isn't it?

[18:22:09]

tim1:

in that case it should just shutdown.

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valeech:

hello

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tim1:

juski a xbox is the best thing for you.

[18:22:52]

balachmar_:

It is recording stuff for my girlfriend now, some last episode of a series (I am not joking) so it is a nogo to reboot now...

[18:22:56]

justinh:

tim1: bullshit

[18:23:10]

tim1:

no? its really is

[18:23:25]

justinh:

I have one. it's got xebian on it.

[18:23:31]

justinh:

and it sucks pigs

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valeech:

Can anyone point me to a tutorial showing the remote control setup for a mythfrontend to control a mythbackend?

[18:24:11]

justinh:

I did intend to upgrade its ram at one point but decided it's too damn fugly & noisy for use as a frontend

[18:24:16]

Dagmar:

huh

[18:24:18]

tim1:

think about it. its instant on, its plays recoded stuff it has scrips its very attractive (xbmc that is). no pc can boot faster then xbox !!!

[18:24:34]

justinh:

and crashy. did I meantion crashy?

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tim1:

lie

[18:24:54]

Dagmar:

tim1: So, for these few bonuses, you have to break laws, use slow/unstable hardware, and have little to no flexibility of configuration

[18:24:57]

justinh:

and XBMC skins suck arse. and NO I'm not skinning that fecker

[18:25:33]

tim1:

why dabian? xbmc is the way to go man

[18:25:46]

Dagmar:

If XBMC is the way to go, why are you here?

[18:25:58]

tim1:

what?

[18:26:02]

Dagmar:

If XBMC is the way to go, why are you here?

[18:26:05]

Dagmar:

It's a very simple question.

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justinh:

show me an xbox which isn't too ugly for my livingroom and doesn't sound like a hairdryer & I might think about it :)

[18:26:53]

tim1:

think about it, i need a back end to record. xbmc is front end? with me now ?

[18:27:07]

justinh:

oh no timestretching. ouch

[18:27:16]

justinh:

no arbitrary skipping. ouch

[18:27:19]

Dagmar:

No HD. onnoez

[18:27:33]

justinh:

infact NO accurate seeking at all. oops

[18:27:50]

tim1:

justinh: you cant be seriuse about the time thin.

[18:28:03]

justinh:

I am

[18:28:11]

tim1:

aaaaaaaaaahahahahahhaahahha.

[18:28:26]

justinh:

so it makes music sound like shite but put all your wife's shows on it

[18:28:46]

Dagmar:

We can definitely be serious about the legal ramifications

[18:28:57]

Dagmar:

There is no escape clause in the DMCA for media players.

[18:29:05]

justinh:

yeah the fact it has to be compiled on stolen software is a pretty big one

[18:29:30]

Dagmar:

Straight from wikipedia: "XBMC for Xbox, like all homebrew Xbox applications, requires a modchip or softmod exploit. As such, XBMC for Xbox legality is disputed."

[18:29:37]

justinh:

people whooped about XBMC to my face at LRL last year til I illuminated that fact

[18:29:56]

justinh:

needs _stolen_ _software_ to compile it for the xbox

[18:30:23]

tim1:

well key work being "DESPUTED" dose not make it illegal; right ?

[18:30:41]

Dagmar:

No, it doesn't.

[18:30:48]

justinh:

you can talk about it being 'open source' all you like but if it needs tools the general public don't have access to, just to build it – it's pretty moot

[18:30:53]

Dagmar:

It just means it's not wound up landing anyone in jail yet.

[18:30:55]

** AcTiVaTe 'desputes' it **

[18:31:02]

Dagmar:

You are *definitely* violating EULAs as well as the DMCA.

[18:31:33]

Dagmar:

Calling this "disputed" is what's generally referred to as "being nice about it"

[18:31:42]

justinh:

plus the fact you've pretty much got to go looking under rocks to download the binaries..

[18:32:28]

justinh:

a lot of forums have shut up shop lately despite offerring downloads 'for educational purposes only' – nothing to do with the xbox per se but hey same principle

[18:33:02]

psofa:

sh \"/var/tmp/portage/media-tv/mythtv-svn-999/work/mythtv-svn/version.sh\" ; \"/var/tmp/portage/media-tv/mythtv-svn-999/work/mythtv-svn\" \"": http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro "\"

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psofa:

sh: "/var/tmp/portage/media-tv/mythtv-svn-999/work/mythtv-svn/version.sh": No such file or directory

[18:33:10]

justinh:

and there's no getting away from the fact that to build XBMC for an xbox you need the dev tools which aren't supposed to be available to the general public – i.e. WAREZ

[18:33:20]

tim1:

btw justin did i tell you I'm independent now?

[18:33:22]

psofa:

the file is really there though.im trying this in svn head

[18:33:33]

Dagmar:

psofa: Why don't you look at the first line of it

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GreyFoxx:

The thing that bothers me most about an xbox is the sound. Way too load

[18:33:51]

justinh:

tim1: independent of what?

[18:34:04]

justinh:

thought?

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tim1:

im living on my own mate

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, LOUD? YOU THINK? NAH...

[18:34:32]

justinh:

well uh.. good for you then.. I suppose

[18:34:34]

psofa:

Dagmar, the escape chars seem wrong but who im i to judge :)

[18:35:00]

justinh:

I hear tell the 360 is even louder when it gets going. makes me shudder to even think that

[18:35:19]

GreyFoxx:

just: personally I find the 360 much quieter than the original xbox

[18:35:30]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: that can only be a good thing then :)

[18:35:32]

directhex:

the optical drive on the 360 is the noisy part

[18:36:02]

justinh:

I cut some of the metal screening away from next to the fan on the mistaken assumption it'd be quieter. whoops

[18:36:02]

tim1:

hey i have an idea.

[18:36:23]

GreyFoxx:

So, my dad is wants another machine for playback in another room, but doesn'

[18:36:35]

GreyFoxx:

t want a full frontend... so looks like I might check out the popcorn hour

[18:36:53]

GreyFoxx:

plays just about everything, small and quiet, upnp capable/other network protocols

[18:37:24]

tim1:

why dont we use skype for ric stuff irc is old and boring now

[18:37:46]

GreyFoxx:

skype ...ewww

[18:37:59]

AndyCap:

tim1: good. you do that.

[18:38:09]

justinh:

tim1: and for everybody's information, if ANY standalone freeview PVR did even a quarter of what mythtv can, I'd be using one right now. trouble is, I tried out the 'best on the market' & found it totally sucky even taking into account the stuff it couldn't do that mythtv can

[18:38:20]

tim1:

what wrong with using vioce to communicate

[18:38:34]

justinh:

the sound of whining in IRC is bad enough thanks

[18:39:08]

tim1:

justin i thou you watch recorded tv only ?

[18:39:15]

justinh:

I do

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Dagmar:

If you guys can't spell correctly, god only knows what kind of impression voices will give.

[18:39:21]

tim1:

. supper speed too

[18:40:13]

tim1:

dagmar you would be surprised of even wood by my voise

[18:40:20]

tim1:

voice*

[18:40:28]

Dagmar:

Would your voice make any more sense than your typing does?

[18:40:42]

Dagmar:

C'mon dude. This is not a personal dig.

[18:40:48]

Dagmar:

I say this knowing what voice chat does to MMO players.

[18:40:52]

justinh:

there was documentary on channel 4 a few months back about the big bang. the guy presenting it s p o k e s o s l o w l y I h a d t o c r a n k u p the speed to 2x just for it to be tolerable. made a nice 20 minute show minus ads

[18:40:57]

tim1:

i knw but i dont like it ok

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directhex:

Dagmar, what'choo talkin' about, he speak good 'n stuff!

[18:41:03]

AndyCap:

I've got balls of steel!

[18:41:09]

dustybin:

ive noticed that Dagmar likes to _underline_ text :P

[18:41:23]

justinh:

would voice chat mean I can just yell NOOOB! at everybody all the time & giggle a lot? ;)

[18:41:25]

directhex:

dustybin, the internet is _serious business_!

[18:41:33]

Dagmar:

Yes, it avoids people inserting their _own_ emphasis in my statements.

[18:42:09]

justinh:

I suppose manners are considered old-fashioned these days too – which is why we don't see many people with them

[18:42:26]

tim1:

no it dose not. lol mabe thats why you dont want to use skype have a voice like david bacham

[18:42:57]

Dagmar:

Man I was a radio DJ for about seven years. Don't even try to imply there's something wrong with my voice.

[18:43:11]

Dagmar:

Hell, I could do professional narration, but I'd rather work for a living.

[18:43:18]

justinh:

methinks tim1 is the guy who voices the linuxmce videos

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Dagmar:

(Yes, that was a dig at voice-over artists and narrators)

[18:43:43]

tim1:

pretty good huh

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justinh:

hey another casting for 'condescending English voiceover man' !

[18:44:46]

justinh:

then again there's a mythtv promo vid with my voice on it somewhere in the ether

[18:44:51]

tim1:

that dagmar

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justinh:

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tim1:

on you tuube

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justinh:

eep.. and videos of me 'presenting'. wonder if my wife'd object to me changing my name by deed poll

[18:45:44]

tim1:

youtbe

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Dagmar:

If I'm on YouTube, I'm utterly unaware of it

[18:45:55]

justinh:

bugger knows if it got as far as boobtube

[18:46:36]

Dagmar:

"No videos found for 'Dagmar d'Surreal'"

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tim1:

lol

[18:47:14]

justinh:

no I've escaped too. not worth going to find if you ask me

[18:48:03]

tim1:

lol

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tim1:

any one eat on there pc ?

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keith4:

are you typing on a cell phone or something?

[18:48:56]

tim1:

or for dagmar's sake should i say wist on there PC

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justinh:

http://2007.video.lugradio.org/main/hour_of_power.ogg if you can be arsed. I'd advise against it

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AndyCap:

hour of power? is this some religious pitch?

[18:49:58]

justinh:

AndyCap: you've never been to a LRL gig have you?

[18:50:13]

AndyCap:

nope

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tim1:

lol what i thou too

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justinh:

the 'fans' have almost religious fervour

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AndyCap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve3GBE9Gt14

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justinh:

the hour of power is so-called because it's about an hour long, and people are invited up to demo 'cool' stuff

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justinh:

I demoed myth right after some dude demoed Elisa crashing several times while he was demoing his screencasting app. Why do us brits take heart in other people's failures?

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AndyCap:

because Britannia rules the waves?

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tim1:

justin why?

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tim1:

you also like to make people then brake them, watch them suffer !! you people are sick

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justinh:

so?

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tim1:

proud are u

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keith4:

yah justinh. stop braking people

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keith4:

let them accelerate

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tim1:

ahahahaha ...........

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directhex:

justinh, because britain revels in its mediocrity

[18:56:09]

directhex:

justinh, we celebrate when we lose, and grumble when we're winning

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directhex:

justinh, look at the reactions to sport

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justinh:

directhex: don't get me started on reactions to sport

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tim1:

sickoos

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psofa:

does mythtv require qt4?

[18:58:25]

justinh:

saw plenty more footage of the scum in manchester last wednesday. I'm no more of a Scot lover than I was then, but it that way

[18:58:28]

justinh:

psofa: trunk does

[18:58:53]

justinh:

psofa: tell me you're not building trunk.. if you want a nice worky wife friendly system...

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psofa:

im affected by this in gentoo http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/328028

[18:59:19]

psofa:

yeah trunk ofc

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justinh:

oops

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psofa:

i just hadnt upgrated in 5 months or sth

[18:59:32]

justinh:

good luck to you and all who sail in you

[18:59:34]

psofa:

*upgraded

[18:59:38]

Dagmar:

So shoot your QT install(s) and do them right.

[18:59:57]

psofa:

does mythtv *not* require qt3 anymore?

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justinh:

so when you ask whether or not myth needs qt4 it's become apparent you don't keep up to speed with the -dev and -commits mailing lists, yes?

[19:00:09]

psofa:

it has to be my crappy custom svn ebuilds then

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Dagmar:

No, crappy users who ignore "Qt4 is required for trunk" which is right at the top of the myth site

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

[19:01:21]

Dagmar:

Right at the top in the yellow box: "0.22 requires QT4 as a prerequisite as of changeset [16790]"

[19:01:23]

psofa:

lol

[19:01:25]

Dagmar:

It's very clear.

[19:01:29]

keith4:

Dagmar: should be in bigger text

[19:01:29]

psofa:

rofl

[19:01:39]

justinh:

oh you can laugh. so can I

[19:01:45]

Dagmar:

Why you're laughing when you just took a pot shot at people who are trying to help you, I have no idea.

[19:01:51]

keith4:

i can barely make it out from across the room

[19:01:55]

Dagmar:

This is how you wind up in ignore lists.

[19:02:04]

justinh:

s/wind/wound

[19:02:46]

Dagmar:

keith4: Frankly, I wouldn't mind if the code did a check for Qt4 and simply exited with the message "Bite me" if they didn't have it

[19:03:05]

keith4:

not a bad idea

[19:03:31]

keith4:

or maybe "you shouldn't be building trunk. go read http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/16790"

[19:03:33]

Dagmar:

At least then there'd be no room for people to claim this, that, or the other

[19:03:53]

Dagmar:

They'd complain "The program told me to bugger off" and we would know to say "install Qt4"

[19:04:27]

keith4:

maybe "go to #mythtv-users and say 'the eagle flies at dawn'"

[19:05:16]

psofa:

uhm so actually releases from 18th will be crap till the port is finished?not even worth trying incase it just works?

[19:05:34]

justinh:

psofa: do you want to be a valuable bug contributor or not?

[19:05:50]

Dagmar:

No, he just wants to bitch

[19:06:08]

keith4:

is QT4 not available in emerge?

[19:06:35]

Dagmar:

Because even the developmentally challenged kids at the "special school" would understand that a 0.x version of something's in-progress -dev tree is NOT something you shold expect to work out of the farking box

[19:06:43]

justinh:

right now trunk is what I would very much call 'bleeding edge'. I mean that most sincerely

[19:07:17]

psofa:

i actually just wanted to post my little old patch to a ticket.thats why i tried to update to head

[19:07:24]

Dagmar:

So calling it "crap" just makes you look like a jackass.

[19:07:27]

Dagmar:

Just so we're clear on that.

[19:07:51]

justinh:

psofa: seriously. right now, do dev work on a spare machine

[19:07:54]

directhex:

justinh, "gushing edge"

[19:08:09]

Dagmar:

psofa: Better to work from 0.21-fixes and just check trac to make sure no one else has already fixed it first.

[19:08:11]

justinh:

closer to a release, maybe run trunk as your everyday but not right now

[19:08:19]

psofa:

Dagmar, you take irc talk way too seriously

[19:08:21]

directhex:

justinh, smart people stick to the "clotting edge"

[19:08:36]

Dagmar:

psofa: And you all-too-readily hand out insults that show your ignorance.

[19:09:01]

Dagmar:

Don't give me some shit about taking IRC "too seriously"

[19:09:10]

justinh:

er.. what the FUCK? http://www.flickr.com/photos/tmolini/2420743413/

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Dagmar:

If you want things to be completely unserious and casual, we can just say "OMG WOTANOOB! LRN2COMPILE"

[19:09:50]

Dagmar:

Shit.

[19:09:52]

Dagmar:

I don't know what's worse.

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Dagmar:

That picture, or that I think I might KNOW that guy.

[19:10:35]

justinh:

I honestly didn't think they'd be doing the 'gong-a-thong' again after last year. we still have scars

[19:10:40]

Dagmar:

I'm going with "just looks a bit like someone I know" because I don't want to pull it back up again

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jduggan:

haha

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jduggan:

is that with th edude in that thong

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Dagmar:

It's SFW, sort of, but if anyone's not pulled that URL up, you can live a full and happy life NOT having done so.

[19:12:07]

Dagmar:

I saw a guy in makeup, I saw a sign that said "APPLAUSE", a hairy chest, and killed the tab.

[19:13:08]

justinh:

reminded me of Hank on Larry Sanders

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psofa:

Dagmar, by insults you mean the word "crap"? are you insulted because i used "crap" instead of freaking unstable?

[19:16:33]

psofa:

do you even think i called them crap because i had the qt4 build error? I called them crap because even if i fix that now that i know whats wrong the build would be unstable

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Dagmar:

Yes, because you just insulted someone else's work.

[19:16:46]

Dagmar:

...work which did NOT warrant being insulted.

[19:16:48]

Dagmar:

That is LAME.

[19:17:02]

Dagmar:

It's _unfinished_. That's it.

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psofa:

no shit

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Dagmar:

It makes you look like an idiot for calling it crap, especially considering you did exactly nothing in the way of research to prepare for trying to built it.

[19:17:34]

Dagmar:

s/built/build/;

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Dagmar:

These are things you should have learned in kindergarten, yo.

[19:18:44]

psofa:

Dagmar, yeah cause i have to prepare for each of the 100 times ive built head check all the mailing lists etc

[19:19:56]

psofa:

like every other else here thought i called the current builds crap because they truly suck

[19:21:13]

c4t3l:

greetings all!

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c4t3l:

I seemed to have fudged my mythgame settings, now the "Scan for Games" link does not function. Does anyone know where i can puul the script that executes the scan so that I may manually run it?

[19:22:08]

c4t3l:

using .20

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c4t3l:

It was working for one day, then I cleared out my settings. Now I cant scan any games in

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Anduin:

c4t3l: There is no script

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c4t3l:

do I have to manually insert to the DB?

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dustybin:

what do you guys think about the new linux code for the VIA framebuffer?

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Anduin:

c4t3l: or fix whatever is actually broken

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c4t3l:

what does the scan for games link execute

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Anduin:

c4t3l: code, within the game plugin

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Dagmar:

Hmm... so he's dim, *and* unable to learn new things.

[19:25:29]

Dagmar:

That's a bad combo.

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c4t3l:

okie

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Dagmar:

dustybin: I hope it works better than a lot of the other framebuffer code

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GreyFoxx:

c4: Verify the game setup for each emulator you have defined. Make sure it points to the right location and has the right file extensions

[19:26:13]

GreyFoxx:

then for a scan and watch the output of the frontend cause it will log info

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c4t3l:

affirmative

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** GreyFoxx takes his kid out to play **

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justinh:

dustybin: via anything is a PoS

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justinh:

if people want to use lame hardware & pretend it makes a good frontend that's up to them, though

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directhex:

i think i summarized it well in my pico-itx review

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directhex:

SELF-AGGRANDISEMENT TIME!

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dustybin:

i always thought VIA was a quality make

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directhex:

via are... better than SiS

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directhex:

but they can't make a cpu worth using

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psofa:

i thought the epia thing was pretty popular here for sdtv at least dunno whats *lame* about it

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directhex:

and you can't make up for a garbage cpu with cheap hacks

[19:34:00]

c4t3l:

here come the flames

[19:34:04]

justinh:

having to rely on xvmc to play back sdtv is pretty unacceptable in this day & age

[19:34:16]

justinh:

no use for transcoded content either

[19:34:34]

justinh:

believe me I used to use an epia board as my frontend. won't be going there again

[19:34:37]

directhex:

you can't "optimize" for nothingness. c7 is a nothing cpu. you're better off buying a xirtex3 and feeding it a sparc design

[19:34:38]

psofa:

if xvmc worked fine i dont see anything wrong

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directhex:

psofa, xvmc supports 1 codec. every heard of, say, "xvid"?

[19:34:59]

dustybin:

instead of buying a mac mini, couldnt i build a cheaper box using mini-itx, core2duo etc

[19:35:16]

justinh:

dustybin: nothing beats a mac mini for looks,, size, noise... or price

[19:35:30]

directhex:

dustybin, in the same form factor? MAYBE, at a stretch, but probably not, and nowhere near as quiet

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dustybin:

aye ok

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directhex:

dustybin, remember, mini-itx is BIG

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directhex:

wait, mini-itx isn't big, it's just expensive

[19:35:52]

dustybin:

399 is quite pricey just for a frontend

[19:35:56]

justinh:

for the price you can _definitely_ do better than epia

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directhex:

i.e. £160ish for a non-via motherboard, PLUS a processor, PLUS a case (mini-itx cases are costly)

[19:36:25]

justinh:

£2000 is pricey 'just' for a decent TV

[19:36:26]

dustybin:

aye ok

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psofa:

directhex, ofc its limited id never use it but most people that used it knew that (and obviously just wanted sdtv mpeg2)

[19:36:47]

dustybin:

with distros, i guess any linux distro would be able to install on a mac mini

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dustybin:

ill probably stick debian lenny on it

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directhex:

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_5461.html &ndas h; £185

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psofa:

plus i doubt via advertises them as hd monsters either

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psofa:

:)

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directhex:

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1423.html &ndas h; £66 and ugly

[19:38:20]

directhex:

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_5639.html &ndas h; £160

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directhex:

over £400 without disks or ram

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directhex:

psofa, without XvMC, which is not supported by all epia boards, they're too weak for SD.

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directhex:

let alone HD

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psofa:

the only problem i see is that xvmc in mythtv is buggy (or used to havent used it in a long time).Most people said "id be fine with xvmc" etc...

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dustybin:

am i right in thinking that you could leave mac os x on a mac mini, and run the mythfrontend.app on it?

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directhex:

dustybin, yes, but there are caveats. i don't know the specifics

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directhex:

psofa, and that not all via boards support xvmc. and that xvmc only supports one codec. and that xvmc breaks the OSC. and that image quality is better without it

[19:43:26]

dustybin:

hmm, think id prefer linux on it, it keeps it nice and minimal

[19:43:30]

directhex:

psofa, but yes, other than epia being junk, it's great

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** directhex notes his scathing review is the 2nd google hit for "pico-itx" **

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dustybin:

my nvidia VGA output into my RGB Scart convertor box works really well, i wonder if the intel graphics will be able to do the same thing, DVI > VGA > SCART RGB BOX

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justinh:

dustybin: we've been here before, you & I. Intel can't do interlaced modes yet

[19:49:13]

justinh:

or rather, the open source driver can't

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justinh:

or maybe it can now. been a while since I looked

[19:49:39]

dustybin:

aye i think we have

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dustybin:

really you would want to be using a mac mini with a HD TV

[19:51:19]

justinh:

yup

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directhex:

mmm... hdtv

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justinh:

I think sets at a price I like are starting to approach acceptable picture Q now

[19:52:19]

justinh:

I'll be budgeting about £1000 so should easily be catered for

[19:52:54]

directhex:

a grand will get you your heart's desire these days

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directhex:

you can get a decent 1080p set for <£600

[19:53:06]

justinh:

not worth spending more on a TV – nor is it worth buying one yet while you still have a perfectly ok, working set

[19:53:09]

_gunni_:

Hi. Anyone here knows an error where in mythfrontend, the menu does not show which element is choosen? When joining a menu one item is highlighted, but when moving to next item nothing is highlighted anymore, but is working (You have to count how often you go up or down).

[19:53:14]

justinh:

not even sure I'd want 1080p tbh

[19:53:46]

directhex:

justinh, then a decent brand costs £350 for 32". a bit more for a bit bigger

[19:53:46]

justinh:

_gunni_: sounds like you're using mythfrontend over vnc when it's using the opengl painter

[19:54:11]

_gunni_:

No vnc, i just sit in front of the machine

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justinh:

_gunni_: or you're using the opengl painter & your opengl is fecked up

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_gunni_:

ill have a short look in the config

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justinh:

I hate that gl painter, but only for as long as the fade is the only menu transition :)

[19:55:08]

directhex:

hard-code-tastic

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_gunni_:

Engine is Qt

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justinh:

won't always be that way – apparently the menu code has to be rewritten for mythui too

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justinh:

_gunni_: maybe stop using that broken theme? ;)

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directhex:

hm, a grand these days buys you a 46" 1080p set from a decent brand, high street prices

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directhex:

GANT?

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_gunni_:

Oh, by the way mythfrontend 0.21.

[19:56:26]

_gunni_:

GANT, yes

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justinh:

directhex: oo so I won't spend a grand then. change enough for a new desktop maybe

[19:56:50]

justinh:

or a mac mini & £600 Telly

[19:57:06]

justinh:

all I need is a grand..

[19:57:33]

justinh:

pity none of those guys who wanted me to make themes for them (for money) felt like $6000 was realistic

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_gunni_:

But the same theme works on my laptop

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justinh:

but the same theme sucks on my desktop :)

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_gunni_:

:)

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keith4:

_gunni_: is your laptop running a cloned hard drive image of your desktop?

[19:59:50]

_gunni_:

No

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keith4:

I wonder if there could be other factors involved, then

[20:00:16]

_gunni_:

Other grafics hardware maybe

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_gunni_:

Laptop is Intel, Desktop is nvidia

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keith4:

ah, different hardware. of course!

[20:01:12]

keith4:

why didn't I think of that?

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_gunni_:

;)

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keith4:

are they even the same build of myth? same linux flavor?

[20:02:53]

baalsgate:

hi how do i get a one mythbox to talk to another mythbox backend ?

[20:03:31]

keith4:

over a network

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baalsgate:

keith4 yes got that much

[20:03:50]

_gunni_:

keith4: Yes, both ubuntu hardy. Most of this menu mess is in config dialogs

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justinh:

baalsgate: you know the section in the mythtv documentation entitled 'configuring a backend to allow access from multiple frontends' ? (or some similar text) ...

[20:04:38]

keith4:

baalsgate: you install the frontend somewhere, and the first time you fire it up, it will ask you where your backend is

[20:04:47]

keith4:

or, if you're lucky, it will discover it using uPnP

[20:04:50]

justinh:

keith4: no it'll ask where the database is

[20:05:01]

psofa:

oh no leave that to Dagmar he loves to noobbash with his sarcasm,so cool

[20:05:01]

justinh:

it finds the backend from the database

[20:05:04]

keith4:

well, yes

[20:05:20]

keith4:

psofa: you can't assume anything

[20:05:22]

baalsgate:

keith4 yes but say i have 2 myhtv boxes and I just want the front end to talk to the other one for a bit

[20:05:27]

_gunni_:

justinh: You have to tell your backend the ip with mythtv-setup. localhost or 127.0.0.1 wont work

[20:05:45]

keith4:

hehe

[20:05:51]

keith4:

yah justinh. listen to _gunni_ !

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justinh:

1. stop mythbackend. 2. make sure in mythtv-setup that the master backend IP address and backend IP address are set to the LAN IP address of the machine 3. assuming the mysql database has the right privileges on it to allow remote access from other machines, point the remote frontend at the backend LAN IP address

[20:06:37]

justinh:

2.5 restart mythbackend

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_gunni_:

Ment baalsgate ...

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justinh:

setting mysql privs is covered in the documentation

[20:07:19]

justinh:

that word keeps on cropping up. I wonder what it means

[20:07:21]

baalsgate:

ok sounds simple enough thanks

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psofa:

keith4, i can assume he ignore listed me already.i wont miss his helpful responses....

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keith4:

justinh: lot of assuming, there

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keith4:

which word? "documentation"?

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justinh:

baalsgate: before trying mythfrontend on the other box, I recommend you check you can log into the backend machine's mysql server with mysql -u mythtv -p -h $the backend-ip-address

[20:10:01]

justinh:

keith4: funny but yes, documentation

[20:10:16]

justinh:

sorry I just kind of assume people read that

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justinh:

http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql

[20:11:02]

keith4:

you must find yourself disappointed, often

[20:11:21]

justinh:

better yet, locate and read (!) your friendly local distro's own mythtv howto, if there is one

[20:11:42]

justinh:

(because some distros do very funky things indeed)

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baalsgate:

thanks justinh ok right that doesnt work :(

[20:12:38]

justinh:

baalsgate: so you need http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql or your friendly local distro mythtv howto docs

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baalsgate:

justinh cheers mate :)

[20:13:09]

justinh:

you need to make it work – it should at least ask for a password – and you should at least know that password

[20:13:28]

justinh:

if that no worky, you get no worky mythfrontend on the new box

[20:13:28]

baalsgate:

it did ask for a password

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justinh:

stupid question time... did you enter the correct password?

[20:14:29]

baalsgate:

justinh i assume so i put in the password that was in the setup database configuration

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keith4:

psofa: pay attention here

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justinh:

reasonable assumption

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justinh:

I can be a c**t when I want to be. if people show they have an inkling of a clue I don't mind not being a c**t for a few minutes

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baalsgate:

lol

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justinh:

I should really be reworking my CV right now though, especially after today

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dustybin:

justinh: why what happened? is it something to do with the credit crunch?

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baalsgate:

i did this on the backend machine "grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";"

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baalsgate:

and tried a login again , still no love

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baalsgate:

oh wait a sec

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Dagmar:

Yer connecting over localhost, ain'tcha

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baalsgate:

the bind-address was wrong :P

[20:22:36]

Dagmar:

Ah, that'll do it. Heh

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Dagmar:

Amazing. I can't tell psofa he's being a jackass for calling the trunk code "crap" and so on when the problem was he didn't provide the required Qt4 library, *and* I'm apparently an asshole and noob abuser for even knowing this.

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Dagmar:

He's in the ignore list *now* to be sure.

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dustybin:

Dagmar: *why* instead _of_ ?

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Dagmar:

of? Ya lost me

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** dustybin hides **

[20:27:44]

Dagmar:

Failed snark?

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** Dagmar offers you a token glare. **

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justinh:

dustybin: just an exceptionally crap day even for a monday

[20:28:53]

Dagmar:

I would agree with that

[20:29:23]

dustybin:

it must of been crap to go as far as doing ones CV

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justinh:

and with fuel prices going the way they keep going, at the rate they keep going... gonna need something closer to home

[20:30:03]

justinh:

if there were any jobs back up North I'd move out of the shitehole they call manchester too

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baalsgate:

hostname setting on the remote front end config keep going back to localhost ?

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justinh:

heh. there's the rub. it's not actually where you put a host NAME

[20:31:55]

dustybin:

bobgill: welcome to DHCP

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justinh:

baalsgate: something tells me you didn't run mythtv-setup on the backend and change the server IP addresses from 127.0.0.1 to the LAN ip address of the machine

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baalsgate:

justinh i wass putting int he remote ip

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baalsgate:

oh ok

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justinh:

stop the backend first

[20:33:02]

justinh:

as in, the mythbackend process

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baalsgate:

my bad .. back in a sec have to run up to the other house :P

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justinh:

then run mythtv-setup, change the IP addresses.. then restart mythbackend

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baalsgate:

ok cheers

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justinh:

other house? tell me you're not doing this over the internet

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** Dagmar hides his eyes **

[20:34:33]

Dagmar:

Wait...

[20:34:40]

Dagmar:

who the hell *doesn't* set up ssh for remote access?

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** Dagmar is baffled. **

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justinh:

I hope what I suspect is the case, is not the case

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justinh:

i.e. somebody taking 'remote frontend' to mean 'remote' as in over the interwebs

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** kormoc sighs **

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Dagmar:

But failure is amusing!

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justinh:

Dagmar: it might work but it'd be er.. a tad insecure :P

[20:37:40]

justinh:

some people get enough upload speed to make it feasible

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justinh:

I imagine the kind of possible mythtv networks in the land of 100mbit broadband would be a bit yummy if they could be secured.. would be quite a case study ;)

[20:38:51]

balachmar:

Hi all, mythwelcome still doesn't work. I just tried. just sudo reboot in the terminal works

[20:39:13]

balachmar:

and therefor probably the other commands as well

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balachmar:

should running mythshutdown -c from the commandline return anything?

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Dagmar:

See, I have this horrifying vision of someone using this to provide their own "cable services" to their neighbors

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justinh:

Dagmar: AFAIK already going on in halls all over the place

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Dagmar:

justinh: You can be pretty sure that if such a think were feasible, we'd be sued into very small fragments by every media company around, just to eliminate possible competition

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Dagmar:

With the MPAA and cable companies trying their best to renege on every single concession they made to get free money out of the FCC, all sorts of legal asshattery is possible

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justinh:

it's totally feasible, bandwidth allowing of course. I just tend to think that the reason it hasn't been heard of is that the places with the fattest broadband pipes aren't traditionally where mythtv users come from

[20:46:31]

Dagmar:

The whole bit of trying to turn *off* the analog component ports on STBs is ludicrous

[20:46:55]

Dagmar:

That right there should result in a monopoly hearind, I think

[20:46:59]

Dagmar:

s/hearind/hearing/;

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baalsgate:

ok backend is done set to 192.168.1.30 on the setup

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Dagmar:

...and before any noob can mouth off about it, *no* a monopoly does *not* mean "just one company"

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balachmar:

And whatabout vista not recording when a special signal is given along with the program :)

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justinh:

Dagmar: at worst, the provider 'guilty' of disabling ports settles out of court and provides users with digital input equipped TVs

[20:47:55]

balachmar:

makes me really appreciate mythtv :)

[20:47:56]

Dagmar:

A group of companies can band together to lock out all other companies, and they would be subject to monopoly and anti-competitive charges just fine thanks

[20:48:01]

justinh:

baalsgate: this is on a LAN, right?

[20:48:29]

Dagmar:

balachmar: That's "5C" which stands for "five companies"

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dustybin:

microsoft have been fined millions over anti competitive behaviour

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justinh:

dustybin: ahh yes but have they paid?

[20:48:57]

dustybin:

dunno

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Dagmar:

Basically, since Vista can't/won't ensure that the file can't be copied from that machine, it's contractually obligated to not let you record it

[20:49:02]

justinh:

and if they have, those millions are small beans

[20:49:10]

Dagmar:

They've not paid.

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baalsgate:

justinh yea jsut my local lan

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Dagmar:

They've had more fines added just because they haven't paid the first once

[20:49:27]

Dagmar:

s/once/ones/;

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justinh:

baalsgate: just when you said 'other house' just then I had visions of somebody aiming to get a remote frontend going over the internet, is all

[20:50:08]

Dagmar:

baalsgate: Learn about ssh and ssh tunneling.

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Dagmar:

You shoudln't have to physically go over to any network connected PC that doesn't require a screwdriver to do the job

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baalsgate:

Dagmar i have ssh but no x

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justinh:

baalsgate: freenx ? :)

[20:51:50]

Dagmar:

baalsgate: Doesn't much matter.

[20:52:30]

baalsgate:

I will look into it

[20:52:45]

baalsgate:

thanks for the advice there too :)

[20:54:05]

baalsgate:

ok so connecting the frontend i change the hostname to 192.168.1.30 now yes ?

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justinh:

baalsgate: if that's the backend's IP address then yes you point the new frontend at that

[21:02:09]

baalsgate:

is the port 3306 ?

[21:05:34]

justinh:

unless you've changed it, yes

[21:05:56]

justinh:

I could just visit a dentist now. no anaesthetic needed

[21:06:20]

baalsgate:

hmmm still no joy

[21:10:06]

baalsgate:

oh i see whats going on now :)

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iamlindoro__:

Hmmm... so Exherbo = FuckOffLinux?

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dustybin:

bring back the dot matrix :D

[21:32:56]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: should we run a sweepstake on how long it'll be before the 'how to mythtv on Exherbo' ?

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iamlindoro__:

Mythzerbo

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iamlindoro__:

A linux distro so l33t that even the developers themselves are not allowed to run it.

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justinh:

wow it's ripe for new mythtv users, look ! "we don't particularly want you to try it because we don't want to deal with you whining when you find that absolutely nothing works. Exherbo isn't in a fit state for users."

[21:34:27]

Dagmar:

Seriously?

[21:34:32]

justinh:

cue all of arch's users migrating tomorrow

[21:34:45]

Dagmar:

It's gotta be attracting Gentoo users like hos to a free rock

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iamlindoro__:

+ $YetAnotherPackageFormat

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mkrufky:

whats wrong with you people? it was the announcement of a new distro, and they say it isnt ready for use yet — thats reasonable

[21:35:18]

justinh:

just willing to put money on the lemmings in the community flocking to it

[21:35:23]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky: I think it's more the hilarious manner in which they basically tell everyone to fuck themselves

[21:35:31]

Dagmar:

mkrufky: We're excited that there's a new outlet for the "power-lusers" to go to

[21:35:40]

Dagmar:

You know, the ones who are all excited about their new USE flags

[21:35:42]

mkrufky:

ha!

[21:35:48]

mkrufky:

hmm

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mkrufky:

i find myself in the minority right now

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[21:36:13]

Dagmar:

You can spell?

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kormoc:

Dagmar, die in a fire. no disrespect my gentoo leetness

[21:36:26]

Dagmar:

heh

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** justinh prepares his OneLinux distro announcement **

[21:36:30]

Dagmar:

C'on.

[21:36:34]

Dagmar:

er C'mon

[21:36:48]

Dagmar:

You KNOW Gentoo attracts idiots like racing stripes attract CRX owners

[21:36:50]

mkrufky:

gentoo rocks, but its not for everybody ... anybody that has a problem with that can go use ubuntu

[21:36:56]

iamlindoro__:

Ie, on the front page/FAQ, "OK, I Want to Try Exherbo. No you don't. Yes I Do. OK, maybe you do, but we don't particularly want you to try it because we don't want to deal with you whining when you find that absolutely nothing works."

[21:37:22]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: I think it's a fair disclaimer, but willing to bet like a red rag to a bull, as they say

[21:37:51]

iamlindoro__:

justinh: I'm not offended, I think it's hilarious. :)

[21:37:56]

justinh:

"oops, didn't see that disclaimer there. Sry. THX"

[21:38:42]

justinh:

mkrufky: just as well for the community not everybody is as bitter & twisted (not to mention sick) as some here ;)

[21:38:57]

justinh:

sadly I am and it's too late

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mkrufky:

we all have our moments.... some have them more often then others :-P

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mkrufky:

thAn others

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** iamlindoro__ feels like mkrufky is looking at him ;) **

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mkrufky:

:-P ... i wasnt singling anybody out

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iamlindoro__:

PS, Where are my toys?? :)

[21:42:14]

mkrufky:

has anybody seen mkrufky?

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iamlindoro__:

ahha

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mkrufky:

i havent seen him since...

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mkrufky:

since....

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mkrufky:

since the last time somebody asked that questionm

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mkrufky:

hmm.. im sorry, i didnt mean for that to sound hostile — you know i mean well O:-)

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** kormoc shoots mkrufky in self defense **

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mkrufky:

:-D

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mkrufky:

flippin' gstreamer works for DVB-T but not ATSC ... those frackers

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mkrufky:

(look !! television has cleaned up my language)

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baalsgate:

front end seems to be connected im getting recorded programs however live tv not working

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baalsgate:

live tv is supose to work with the remote front end yes ?

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iamlindoro__:

Yes.

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rushfan:

Anyone know how I can make mythtv stop stretching my 720p broadcasts to take up my whole 22" monitor?

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blanny:

play with the coordinates in appearance

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rushfan:

blanny: ok

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rushfan:

Meanwhile I need to figure out why 2 of my HD channels are real choppy (But only in mythtv- not VLC)

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mkrufky:

you shouldnt have to do that

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mkrufky:

is the window manager (without myth running) using the screen correctly?

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mkrufky:

ie: do you have a real 16:9 screen, or is it really 4:3 stretched to fill 16:9

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mkrufky:

(or vice versa)

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rushfan:

008-05–19 17:58:38.497 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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rushfan:

Could that explain why my channels are really choppy?

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blanny:

I have the same problem with my HDTV. It says it can handle 1920x1080, but over DVI it is much less

[21:59:34]

rushfan:

mkrufky: I have a 16:10 screen, set to the proper resolution. yes

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rushfan:

The issue is that its expanding all my channels (SD and 720p) to take up the whole screen. I want it to leave them the original size

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iamlindoro__:

rushfan, you just need to adjust the default aspect ration and fill modes

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kormoc:

blanny, there's a difference between accepting a 1080 signal and displaying a 1080 signal

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iamlindoro__:

er ratio

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mkrufky:

rushfan: hit <m> during playback

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mkrufky:

rushfan: go to the aspect ratio control

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baalsgate:

wooohoo working :)

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mkrufky:

this will set it per viewing

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rushfan:

Yes I fixed my problems by enabled extra audi obuffer

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: where is taht stuff controlled?

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rushfan:

changing the aspect radio doenst help

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky told you the per-viewing way, the default settings are the same in the TV Playback settings

[22:02:28]

iamlindoro__:

Aspect ratio is one, fill is the other. Sounds more like you've got a fill mode working

[22:02:55]

iamlindoro__:

Try M -> Adjust Fill -> Off

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: it is turned off

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rushfan:

and the aspect ratio is properly set

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rushfan:

hmmm

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iamlindoro__:

Then I don't know what you mean regarding it stretching your video, sounds like it ought to work to me

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: by stretching I mean making it take up the whole screen

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rushfan:

the aspect ratio is fine. ITs just been zoomed in/too big

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rushfan:

right now the only way I can get 1280x720 video to be the right size is to restrict the geometry of mythtv to 1280x720

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iamlindoro__:

Myth is always going to play the video back at the X resolution, by default.

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rushfan:

iamlindoro__: can I change that?

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iamlindoro__:

Why, so it can sit in a giant black box?

[22:06:47]

rushfan:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

WTF for?

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rushfan:

and then my analog cable doesnt look so awful

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kormoc:

rushfan, set the stretch to off?

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rushfan:

and the 1280x720 looks bad when it gets stretched out. anyhow I have to go to dinner. thanks for the help

[22:07:16]

rushfan:

kormoc: it is

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kormoc:

then it should be native

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rushfan:

kormoc: hm

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rushfan:

maybe I have the wrong stretch. whereis the option?

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc: I think he means he doesn't want his video to play back at the X resolution

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iamlindoro__:

ie he *wants* a 1280x720 video in a black box on a 1920x1080 display

[22:08:05]

iamlindoro__:

yech

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rushfan:

yes

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rushfan:

exactly

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kormoc:

aye

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rushfan:

because Im nuts

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Dagmar:

Yuck

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kormoc:

and no stretch/fill should do that

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Dagmar:

We shouoldn't support that

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rushfan:

kormoc: where are the stretch/fill settings?

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kormoc:

rushfan, tho, I'm curious as to why you think your analog cable is 1280x720

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kormoc:

rushfan, I'm at work, no way for me to know

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rushfan:

kormoc: becuase Im using QAM which is 1280x720

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rushfan:

Id make the analog channels even smaller

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rushfan:

but I guess I can just "window" mythtv and make it smaller

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GreyFoxx:

rush: no way is analog 1280x720. analog are SDTV only,

[22:09:55]

GreyFoxx:

but your QAM could be SDTV or HDTV

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GreyFoxx:

Qam != analog

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Penfold:

reminds me – is there a way of scaling the video from my PVR150's composite in? it seems to be overscanning relative to my 1024x768 screen by about 10%

[22:10:23]

Dagmar:

Nice. Some sanity is hitting CNN about the mormons

[22:10:43]

Dagmar:

Penfold: The card isn't overscanning at all

[22:11:02]

Dagmar:

Penfold: Categorically, they don't have anything to do with overscan, nor is it adjustable to my knowledge

[22:11:27]

Dagmar:

Perhaps you are confused about what overscan entails?

[22:11:37]

Penfold:

'seems to be'

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Dagmar:

I'll take that as a yes. One momeent and I'll get you a URL that can help

[22:11:53]

Penfold:

I'm losing the top and bottom edges of the live picture

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Penfold:

in a manner that looks similar to overscan :)

[22:12:39]

Dagmar:

Well, you're likely losing the left and right as well, but it's not the PVR card doing it unless you are using just the completely wrong card for your broadcast region (not likely)

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Dagmar:

You might want to start with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan (and I'm digging for more reading)

[22:13:00]

Penfold:

seems to be slightly horizontally shrunk, actually....

[22:13:42]

Penfold:

it's fine /widthwise/ on my other frontent (widescreen MacbOok) but I'm still losing top abnd bottom edges by 5 or 10%

[22:13:55]

Dagmar:

Damn I need to "backport" some of the stuff in the wiki into other areas

[22:13:56]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_de . . . scan_and_You

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Dagmar:

That's part of the theme development docs, but it explains about overscan in excruciating detail

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Dagmar:

You can't fail to grok it after reading that

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Dagmar:

Penfold: what you need to do is try to play one of the mpeg recording files _in a window_ on some other machine like a toy windows box or something

[22:15:04]

Dagmar:

Then you'll be able to be sure what is being captured

[22:15:40]

Dagmar:

The PVR card should actually be recording _all_ the image, even the parts that would normally not appear on a TV due to overscan.

[22:16:05]

Dagmar:

Verify that you actually have a problem with the tuner card before we even think about trying to fix it, because I'm not sure ther'es a way _to_ fix an issue like that if the tuner card is screwing up

[22:16:21]

Dagmar:

Might just be that your card is broken, but I think it's something else in the way

[22:16:52]

** Penfold hrms. Brief pause while I make a /short/ recording :) these are all several GB :) **

[22:17:06]

Dagmar:

Samba is yer friend.

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** Penfold peers at /etc/samba/smb.conf on his mythbuntu box. Oo. That's friendly of it. **

[22:19:34]

** Penfold mounts the recordings share :) **

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Dagmar:

Only madmen touch smb.conf directly.

[22:21:20]

Dagmar:

Learn about SWAT.

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Dagmar:

localhost:901 FTW

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Penfold:

Dagmar: I know about swat – was just pleased to duscover mythbuntu provides a bunch of useful samba mounts

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GreyFoxx:

Apparently I'm a mad man then :)

[22:25:51]

Penfold:

ok – it's capturing the whole picture, displays fine in VLC. just seems to display it too big on my frontend

[22:26:27]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: "There is a fine line between genius and insanity" some have said

[22:26:37]

Dagmar:

I say that anyone near that line and still saying that is just being nice.

[22:26:45]

Dagmar:

There's no line.

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Dagmar:

Penfold: Okay, now you get to do something even more interesting.... making sure your video card is doing what it should

[22:27:36]

Dagmar:

Take this image

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Cheatsheet.png

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Dagmar:

Put it into MythGallery.

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Dagmar:

Display it on your screen.

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Penfold:

Dagmar: can see all the overscan area :)

[22:34:34]

Dagmar:

OKay, so something has diddled with your playback settings then

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psofa:

Dagmar, didnt i explain it already?After i got what was the problem i asked if the trunk code is gonna be crap until the qt4 port is complete.Its obvious that my question had nothing to do with my compilation problem.Though you went mental.

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Dagmar:

Have fun rummaging around the frontend setup menus for that

[22:35:06]

Dagmar:

er, um, wait no... I think "may god have mercy on your soul" might be a more proper wording.

[22:35:19]

Dagmar:

Make sure nothing caused offsets and so forth to appear in there

[22:35:25]

psofa:

i wasnt bitching at all though you seemed sure i were

[22:35:38]

psofa:

if that makes you feel better i wont spoil it for you

[22:35:54]

Dagmar:

If this is a new install, nothing _should_ have changed those tho

[22:36:35]

Penfold:

quite

[22:37:13]

Penfold:

it happens on both frontends, which is weird

[22:37:22]

Penfold:

one of which is the OS X binary!

[22:38:08]

Penfold:

I could play with the vertical/horizontal scaling setttings in General Playback?

[22:41:18]

psofa:

oic im really ingnore listed, how mature

[22:42:55]

** Penfold will have a play tomorrow – being hauled off to bed by a gorgeous blonde.. :) **

[22:44:24]

mkrufky:

...sounds like you're having play tonight, instead

[22:46:05]

Penfold:

Oh. The. Hardship. :)

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Dagmar:

Considering that the frontends all get their config from the database, and it's all too easy to accidentally name them the same thing as far ass *they* arew concenred and subsequently have them using the same settings....

[22:49:07]

Dagmar:

Two frontends doing the same identically wrong thing isn't that out of the ordinary, and would lean towards supporting the "broken config" theory

[22:49:35]

Dagmar:

Penfold: You shouldn't have to do anything but reset any scaling settings to zero, actually

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Dagmar:

The overscan controls are more easily adjusted elsewhere once you get it to stop screwing around on you

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famicom:

meh

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famicom:

linux video drivers are fucked anyways

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mkrufky:

PEBKAC, famicom

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mkrufky:

PEBKAC

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Ra^:

Anyone happen to be running Myth on a GX270 or 280?

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pat___:

260?

[23:00:38]

Ra^:

close enough

[23:00:39]

Dagmar:

One of those SFF Dell boxes?

[23:00:43]

Dagmar:

That's kind of scraping by

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Dagmar:

Nice unit tho if you can get one with enough beef

[23:00:56]

Ra^:

I'm thinking about installing it on one and just wondering if there's any issues that might pop out

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pat___:

only running a SD frontend on it

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pat___:

minimyth works with it

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Dagmar:

I'd say it's a far better choice than those EPIA things

[23:01:30]

Dagmar:

Yeah, that would not be useful as a backend, but a frontend should be fine

[23:01:35]

** directhex fires up myth on a GT200 **

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Ra^:

cool

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Dagmar:

I've actually been kind of lurking on Craigslist here for awhile hoping someone would sell some more of those surplus here

[23:02:14]

Ra^:

My company has a weird policy for "old" machines. Destroy the hard drive, dumpster the rest. What a waste :(

[23:02:22]

Ra^:

thinking about giving 1 a new home

[23:02:29]

Dagmar:

Ra^: Do they lock their dumpster?

[23:02:33]

Ra^:

nope

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c4t3l:

:)

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directhex:

destroying hard disks is pretty common

[23:02:47]

Ra^:

it won't even make it to the dumpster

[23:02:49]

Dagmar:

Ra^: Find your local 2600 meeting group and drop them a note about the location of the dumpster. They['ll know what to do.

[23:02:52]

pat___:

my gx260 came from ebay for $cheep

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Ra^:

Won't do any good, Dagmar. It's a secure facility

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pat___:

no drives or memory

[23:03:41]

Ra^:

I figure one will make its way to my truck while I'm swapping them out with newer machines.

[23:03:53]

Ra^:

I'm the Admin, so I can do pretty much anything I want :)

[23:03:56]

Dagmar:

"Secure" had better mean 24/7 surveillance, high-candlepower lights, and concertina wire-topped fences

[23:04:09]

Ra^:

Dagmar, 2 out of 3

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Dagmar:

Cuz anything in the dark, or unmonitored, is not going to pose much of a problem to any experienced (or thoughtful) dumpster diver.

[23:04:34]

Ra^:

They don't have spotlights, but they have the razor wire and cameras

[23:05:31]

Dagmar:

Ra^: I have a "church key" that handles chain-link fending nicely myself.

[23:05:44]

Dagmar:

A bit of coat hanger to repair the cut on the way out and no one's the wiser.

[23:05:54]

Ra^:

but then you have to deal with all the federal offenses if you get caught

[23:06:10]

Dagmar:

Church Key --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_cutter

[23:06:15]

Ra^:

yes, I know :)

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directhex:

you need an apache gunship

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directhex:

then you can just fly over the razor wire

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Dagmar:

Well, thankfully the telco here finally started to realize they needed to shred anything even remotely intersting

[23:06:52]

Ra^:

I can't believe they just throw them out. Desktops, laptops and monitors. Friggin donate them or something!

[23:07:08]

Dagmar:

Ra: THey could get in some shit for that actually.

[23:07:12]

Ra^:

directhex, can't fly that close to an AF base

[23:07:19]

Dagmar:

If you're in the US, that's not likely legal.

[23:07:30]

directhex:

Ra^, okay, you need your buddies as backup too

[23:07:31]

Ra^:

Dagmar, if the drives are destroyed or wiped properly, there shouldn't be any issues

[23:07:34]

Dagmar:

It adds to landfill pollution, and there _are_ companies that will come and collect stuff

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Ra^:

yeah

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Dagmar:

It should be no problem for them to find some company to come and collect the stuff that's being taken off the books, which will save someone from extreme embarrassment when it's eventually discovered there's some serious EPA violations going on

[23:08:32]

Ra^:

I'd rather bring the stuff home and e-bay it. Can't stand the thought of throwing out perfectly good equipment

[23:08:51]

Dagmar:

Nah, you eBay it and you're looking at a different issue.

[23:08:59]

Ra^:

yeah, like getting fired

[23:09:07]

Dagmar:

One of the "issues" with getting equipment off the books is where the "value" goes to.

[23:09:15]

baalsgate:

so what happens when you have two front ends and only one backend ?

[23:09:30]

Dagmar:

Snatching things that were consigned to trash for one's own research and development at home, that tends to get overlooked 99 times out of 100.

[23:09:35]

Ra^:

A few of the employees have asked to buy their old laptops from the company, but the bosses refuse. :(

[23:09:39]

Dagmar:

baalsgate: Nothing special

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baalsgate:

can you watch livetv on both frontends ?

[23:10:16]

Dagmar:

Hell, I built an entire Lexmark 4019 printer out of parts that were discarded

[23:10:26]

Dagmar:

baalsgate: Yes.

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Dagmar:

Nothing gets watched "really live" under Myth

[23:10:55]

Dagmar:

Even "live TV" is just the recording being played back very close to it's end

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directhex:

baalsgate, if you have only 1 tuner, then you need to watch the same channel (or multiplex) on both

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baalsgate:

hmmm i can have just added a second front end but now the first one does not connect

[23:12:08]

Dagmar:

So turn off the second one and see if the first one works again

[23:12:08]

Ra^:

you shouldn't have given the new one the same IP

[23:12:10]

Ra^:

just kidding

[23:12:14]

directhex:

then you broke something

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Dagmar:

Ra6: You would be suprised how often noobs do that

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directhex:

probably used the same ip, or same hostname, on both

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Ra^:

lol

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Ra^:

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised at all

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baalsgate:

it does not have the same ip its issued by my dhcp server staticly set to the mac address

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directhex:

and the hostname?

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baalsgate:

they dont need hostnames

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directhex:

erm... yes, they do

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baalsgate:

erm no they dont

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directhex:

mythtv stores frontend settings ni the database, per-hostname

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baalsgate:

right yes ok local hostname

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Ra^:

baalsgate, you're thinking strictly linux, not application-wise

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directhex:

both machines have a host name of "localhost"?

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directhex:

hah!

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directhex:

poor iamlindoro__, the stupid overwhelmed him

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Dagmar:

lol

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baalsgate:

hmmm , i am calling the backend by ip not hostname

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psofa:

it doesnt matter

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directhex:

oh i fucking give up

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psofa:

frontend tells backend "im localhist"

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psofa:

*localhost

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baalsgate:

oh i see so thus each front end hostname needs to be different to register another frontend , is that what you are saying ?

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psofa:

each frontend needs a different hostname, go change /etc/conf.d/hostname or something

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baalsgate:

psofa yes they have different hostnames

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baalsgate:

seems only one frontend can select livetv the other then just flashes and goes back to the menu

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psofa:

err

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psofa:

how many input sources do you got.Because if its just one i think thats normal (unless something has changed recently)

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baalsgate:

both are working but one would think that a popup message saying live tv is being watched on another frontend and offer to watch the same thing

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baalsgate:

only one source

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psofa:

...........

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baalsgate:

Im just tring out the remote frontend as i have at the moment two mythtv boxes

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baalsgate:

It works quite well except for being able to take control of the livetv

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psofa:

its normal. you cant watch the same source at the same time

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Dagmar:

Mine warns me when all tuners are in use.

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Dagmar:

You *could* always just edit the menu theme and take Live TV out of the list.

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baalsgate:

lol

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dustybin:

http://www.exherbo.org/ <-- new distro alert

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Dagmar:

That would be a bit of a kludge tho... making someone go through the program selector and tell it to record the actual program

[23:31:37]

Dagmar:

dustybin: I love their FAQ.

[23:32:36]

dustybin:

In Conclusion

[23:32:37]

dustybin:

It's not that we hate you (unless we do). It's just that we have nothing to offer you, and you have nothing to offer us.

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baalsgate:

you hate me ?

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psofa:

lol

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Dagmar:

No, he's referring to something on Exherbo's top level page

[23:35:15]

psofa:

theres a nice touch of misanthropy in that distro :)

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** baalsgate laughs **

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directhex:

psofa, what do you expect/ it's from a bunch of gentoo people. it's an improvement compared to the usual self-harm that goes along with gentoo's user base

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Dagmar:

I already gave them a link on my memestream (http://www.memestreams.net/users/dagmar/) just for the raw honesty of their project.

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psofa:

self-harm?

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dustybin:

sounds like a big bust up has happened with gentoo developers

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beandog:

no, it hasn't.

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Dagmar:

Definitely not

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dustybin:

aye ok, 'gentoo' is mentioned far too many times on exherbos website

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beandog:

kloeri retired a LONG time ago

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Dagmar:

There's a degree to which the "does everything badly" sentiment they express is dead on, although a little overstated.

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psofa:

i think the main problem with gentoo is that at some point it became very famous .then many ubuntu type users came in so the whole thing sank

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Dagmar:

They're just using some of Gentoo's tools to make a more focused setup

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directhex:

psofa, i thought all the cool kids switched to arch linux

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psofa:

after gentoo started declining

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psofa:

not that its bad how it is

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Dagmar:

Ubuntu kinda cracked the whip on all their people, because their problems with "doing everything badly" were reaching epic levels.

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psofa:

it hasnt evolved

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Dagmar:

Perhaps it's about time for Gentoo to do some similar whip-cracking, but that's for them to decide.

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beandog:

gentoo's doing just fine

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psofa:

and ebuilds arent maintained that actively

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beandog:

there's just a lot of work to do

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Dagmar:

The Myth binaries for Ubuntu used to be OMBAD

[23:41:22]

Dagmar:

er OMGBAD.

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Dagmar:

...but once people got told they'd better shape up or lose commit privs and have their packages dropped, they started shaping up

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directhex:

netcraft confirms it, gentoo is dying!

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Dagmar:

Pfft. Netcraft probably has Slackware consigned to the graveyard, but there's still people using it

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dustybin:

ive never seen a distro start from the beginning then die

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directhex:

dustybin, yggdrasil?

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dustybin:

i wasnt around then

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directhex:

beernix?

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directhex:

overclockix?

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dustybin:

i was probably on my amiga in them days

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directhex:

caldera linux!

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Dagmar:

Okay, so Caldera died quickly

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dustybin:

could a distro die all of a sudden, like all the servers taken off straight away? or does it fade slowly?

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Dagmar:

...and deservedly.

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directhex:

dustybin, the cracks appear early, usually

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directhex:

dustybin, assuming users. if nobody gives a shit, it fades

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dustybin:

ok

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psofa:

dustybin, btw i dont see anything interesting in exherbo.right now its just if gentoo decided to fuck evryone and drop everything but 10 packages :P

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directhex:

dead distros: http://distrowatch.com/search.php?status=Discontinued

[23:47:10]

directhex:

(not a complete list)

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iamlindoro__:

Hrm, didn't know edubuntu was discontinued, but I guess I hadn't heard of it in a long while

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directhex:

it's not a separate distro anymore

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iamlindoro__:

Erm... how can it be discontinued if there's an 8.04?

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directhex:

it's an add-on cd for standard ubuntu

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iamlindoro__:

Ah, I see

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directhex:

"In versions prior to 8.04 Edubuntu was released as a distinct variant with its own separate Installer CDs. With the restructure you now start with the installation of an Ubuntu desktop base onto your machine, and once complete you then insert the Ubuntu Education CD. A dialogue box will load automatically offering you a choice of "start package manager" or "start add-on installer"."

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dustybin:

does mythbuntu use .21 fixes

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iamlindoro__:

Maybe it's time to play COD 4 again since GTA IV can't go longer than 20 without freezing the Xbox

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dustybin:

bloody nice site : http://www.mythbuntu.org/

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directhex:

:(

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directhex:

xbox on its last legs?

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directhex:

i hate it when that happens

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directhex:

dustybin, yes.

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iamlindoro__:

directhex: *seems* to be only GTA IV but I'm keeping an eye on it

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Dagmar:

Pre-Oct2007 hardware?

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iamlindoro__:

launch hardware, yarrr

[23:51:51]

Dagmar:

Ouch, yeah.

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Dagmar:

Call Microsoft. It'll still be under warranty.

[23:52:30]

Dagmar:

I've only had it crash once on the PS3

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iamlindoro__:

I'm not convinced it's the hardware, every game but GTA IV works fine

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directhex:

the 360 version is stable, it's the ps3 version that crashes systematically

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directhex:

whereas typically 360 death happens where the most demanding games hammer the system

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iamlindoro__:

There's a thirty-something page thread on xbox.com with similar freezes

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iamlindoro__:

that said, might all be similarly broke hardware, it *is* the xbox after all :)

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directhex:

i suspect so

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iamlindoro__:

I prefer to think of it as enforced play limitation

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directhex:

try this: unplug your etherweb cable

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directhex:

it helps the ps3 crashes, and the game's been rock solid for me on my (offline) machine

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iamlindoro__:

Will give it a shot after this mission, thanks

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