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Sunday, May 18th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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nwidger:

any idea where mythbuntu stores the mc.sql file on the local filesystem? or is it only on the installer cd?

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nwidger:

it's frustrating that this wasnt done automatically :\

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iamlindoro__:

If you had installed it properly, it *would* have been done automatically. You botched something along the way

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Rainman:

hello, If i have more than one tuner with the exact same channels is it best to use the same video source or seperate video source for each tuner?

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GreyFoxx:

1 video source

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Rainman:

ok i set up with all different video sources and it takes forever to do mythfilldatabase, but seems to work ok, besides the grabber time what other benifits are their

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tim1:

can some one please help, i dont fully understand this guide about xbmcmythtv

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tim1:

http://pastebin.com/m6045605a

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GreyFoxx:

rain: well, you are duplicating all the info in your programguide

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GreyFoxx:

so reschedules will take longer

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GreyFoxx:

openning the programming guide will take longer

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GreyFoxx:

etc

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Rainman:

k thanks GreyFoxx i am switching it all to the same source now, one more question should all input groups be set to generic or should they be left as dvb4, dvb5 etc.

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tim1:

how can i find out the mythtv version and protocol used ?

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clever:

mythfrontend --version

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tim1:

thank u

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tim1:

my Network Protocol : 40 but xbmcmythtv used 30 should i change this ?

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kormoc_:

tim1, you can't mix and match, they all have to be the same

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tim1:

i changed it still not working

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tim1:

kormoc_: what dose this mean, Paths -> Recorded Show Prefix . i have left it like this smb://%h/mythtv

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tim1:

can any one help setup my xbmc im getting very confused lol

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Mr_Grieves:

Is trunk usable since the qt4 update? mythfrontend is segfaulting for me, is it a bad revision or should I stick with an older checkout?

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kormoc_:

Mr_Grieves, there has been no announcement that trunk is 'stable', and they're still working on the qt port

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Mr_Grieves:

kormoc_: Ok. I'll stick with my old copy :) Thanks!

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tim1:

ok i have samba workin on my xbox

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tim1:

but how do i get the live tv to work

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HunterSThompson:

didn't even realize I still had the rc

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HunterSThompson:

assume that mythbuntu is installed on a harddrive with a standard ext3 filesystem and a second filesystem mounted in /var/lib/mythtv on which all media is held

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HunterSThompson:

if one were to reinstall mythbuntu to the ext3 filesystem, the media (movies, etc...) should still be on the other partition and fully mountable correct?

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HunterSThompson:

I guess not

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AcTiVaTe:

yes HunterSThompson

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AcTiVaTe:

All you would need is to tell the new install where they are

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AcTiVaTe:

They can be where you want em to be ;)

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AcTiVaTe:

Local HDD's, network shares

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tim1:

can any one help me with this i http://pastebin.com/m6045605a

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HunterSThompson:

the installer gave me some warning about deleting any system files when it installs...regardless of where they are

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kormoc_:

HunterSThompson, ubuntu has a tendency to be that way.

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HunterSThompson:

I'm just really (expletive) tired and didn't want to have to take the thing apart to put a network card back into it...but I did and movies are transfering to my other comp as we speak

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tim1:

i get error

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tim1:

http://pastebin.com/m3fbed73c

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HunterSThompson:

204 minutes remaining to generalize

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thedarkone:

how big of hdd

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thedarkone:

i have a 500 gig it only 350 hours

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kormoc_:

tim1, that's because you're attempting to run a mysql command in bash, not in mysql

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thedarkone:

now i have a question everytime i goto live tv my system reboots

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thedarkone:

only if i put it in opengl

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kormoc_:

thedarkone, sounds like a video card issue

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thedarkone:

i think it my nivida is a huk of junk

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kormoc_:

try different drivers?

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thedarkone:

i have a 128 nivida fx 5200

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thedarkone:

wel some said to use 100.11 drivers

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thedarkone:

so i did

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thedarkone:

now it reboots

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thedarkone:

if i use 169.12

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thedarkone:

it fine

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thedarkone:

but no opengl

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tim1:

kormoc_: :)

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tim1:

still not woking thou, i cant watch live tv only recorded (buy going to samba share on the video section.

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HunterSThompson:

would it be better to have a 1.6ghz p4 or a 2.6ghz p4 running at 1.3ghz x 2?

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kormoc_:

HunterSThompson, you mean dual proc or hyperthreading or multiplier?

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HunterSThompson:

I got it because I wanted the 2.6ghz...and the ebay seller didn't specify that it had Hyperthreading

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kormoc_:

HunterSThompson, hyperthreading doesn't halve the cpu speed

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kormoc_:

HunterSThompson, and it's mostly a wash with it enabled or not

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HunterSThompson:

hmmm...in bios it shows up as 1.3ghz processor and dmesg/kde settings manager

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kormoc_:

HunterSThompson, then it's not a 2.6 ghz proc

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HunterSThompson:

but in the kde app it shows up as two 2.6ghz processors

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HunterSThompson:

and dmesg shows tow as well

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kormoc_:

it shouldn't

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kormoc_:

my 2.8 shows up as 2x 2.8's with HT enabled

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HunterSThompson:

I wonder why OS would show 2 2.6ghz processors with hyperthreading and BIOS shows 1 1.3ghz

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tim1:

I dont understand why the xbox wont connect, i told mysql to GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON mythconverg.* TO 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.3' identified by 'mythtv';

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kormoc_:

the bios on my p4 shows 1 or 2x 2.8 ghz procs as well

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kormoc_:

tim1, restart mysql?

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HunterSThompson:

it's just throwing me for a loop and I've literally been expletive-ing around with this thing all day

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HunterSThompson:

minus a short break for Assassin's Creed

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HunterSThompson:

said 2.6ghz on the die...and intel says it's 2.6ghz per the model number

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HunterSThompson:

sl6wh

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kormoc_:

update the bios firmware?

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HunterSThompson:

A03 to A06 and no change

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HunterSThompson:

not that I can tell at any rate

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tim1:

kormoc_: ok

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tim1:

going to check fingers crossed, ass clenched :)

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HunterSThompson:

my big problem however is that I was trying to enable progressive scan for-all-time and I changed some settings in tv/playback...

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HunterSThompson:

now all I get is herky-jerky video and herky-jerky sound

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tim1:

i set my recoding show prefix to smb://mc-server-deskto/mythtv/ , my recodings can be found there.

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HunterSThompson:

I had the RC still so I'm just going to reinstall

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HunterSThompson:

Ye gods, i swore I would never screw another coaxial into the back of a tv again...

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tim1:

babe a reboot will do it :)

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tim1:

still no luck.

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HunterSThompson:

hmmm...looks like the Dimension 4400 doesn't support hyperthreading

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HunterSThompson:

I didn't even know they made 478s with ht

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JoeyJoeJo:

I was thinking about those new Asus boards that will have linux built in. Do we know yet whether or not they'd be capible of running mythfronted, (or dare I ask, HD content)?

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wagner:

no idea how large the ROM is

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kdub:

i dont think that kind of thing is the point...

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GreyFoxx:

It's more a matter of if you can mount local or remote filesysrtems

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GreyFoxx:

if you can, then there are lots of possibilities

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GreyFoxx:

and of course if there is any way for you to add menu items

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kdub:

does the mythgame romdb search thing still use filename and CRC, or just CRC?

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AlsMe:

I've got a STB .. however, what digital tuner card can I get for my PC

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GreyFoxx:

kdub crc

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wagner:

AlsMe: a tuner card is of no use with an STB

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AlsMe:

?

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kdub:

damn why is mine not working then

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kdub:

i unzipped them for some reason, should that matter?

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AlsMe:

well what do I need to get the digital signal to my computer?

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AlsMe:

I don't want to use the analog signal

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wagner:

the tuner card plus directly into the cable/satellite/antenna

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AlsMe:

but the signal is encrypted no?

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AlsMe:

I live in Canada... if that helps

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wagner:

all broadcast media is unencrypted

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GreyFoxx:

kd: GEnerally no, it shouldn't matter

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wagner:

but trying to get anything off of cable or satellite is a crapshoot

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AlsMe:

wagner.. why?

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kdub:

ok

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wagner:

youll probably get the local broadcasts, but everything else is typically encrypted

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AlsMe:

so what if I get a STD with firewire output

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AlsMe:

do I just plug the cable into my box and it should work?

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GreyFoxx:

als: It's a crapshoot

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AlsMe:

and mythtv will detect the signal coming in through firewire?

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wagner:

firewire may work, but its hit or miss whether you can get anything

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GreyFoxx:

some providers enable everything, some a little, some nothing

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AlsMe:

I'm with Cogeco.. any exp with them?

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JoeyJoeJo:

what's the minimum amount of bandwidth needed to transfer hd content from the backend to the frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

joe: It's better to think of maximums

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wagner:

cablecard tuners allow you access to all non-on-demand content

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GreyFoxx:

joe: max is 10megabit

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GreyFoxx:

err 20

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wagner:

but theres no linux drivers for any

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AlsMe:

I don't want HD digital.. I just need the SD-TV ..

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AlsMe:

is SD encrypted too?

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wagner:

oh, thats different then

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wagner:

just get any analog tuner

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wagner:

the hauppauge tuners are nice

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GreyFoxx:

als: Yes. IT's really a "try and see".

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AlsMe:

I don't have money for try and see tho :(

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AlsMe:

just thought I'd ask you guys first

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GreyFoxx:

alsa: Locally I get all firewire channels enabled, and tons of QAM/digital

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wagner:

run the STB analog output into the capture card, and use an IR blaster

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GreyFoxx:

others aren't so luck

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GreyFoxx:

y

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JoeyJoeJo:

greyfoxx: so if I have a device that transfers at 85mbps, that should be enough, right?

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GreyFoxx:

joey: Easily enoughj

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AlsMe:

USB can only do 54mbps tho

[04:04:26]

GreyFoxx:

still easily enough

[04:04:28]

wagner:

broadcast HD is no more than 18mbps (i think)

[04:04:30]

JoeyJoeJo:

greyfoxx: thanks

[04:04:41]

wagner:

USB is 480mbps, but effectively its far less than that

[04:04:48]

wagner:

802.11g is 54mbps

[04:05:04]

JoeyJoeJo:

I'm looking at getting some powerline ethernet adapters so I don't have to run wires

[04:05:12]

JoeyJoeJo:

they work at 85mbps

[04:05:23]

GreyFoxx:

joe: I've got a friend useing some of those. They work well for him

[04:05:23]

AlsMe:

ahh right.. I'm thinking 60MB's / sec = 480mbps

[04:05:30]

wagner:

85mbps on a wired interface should be enough for anything you want to do

[04:05:55]

wagner:

i assume powerline is as reliable as ethernet

[04:05:56]

JoeyJoeJo:

greyfoxx: cool, I'm glad to here they're working for someone

[04:06:39]

AlsMe:

and 1 more thing.. someone was telling me to use a "DVB card" .. what is that used for :s

[04:07:42]

GreyFoxx:

als: Depends on the type of dvb, but for digitial capture

[04:07:56]

GreyFoxx:

so sat signals, or QAM digital cable channels

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AlsMe:

alright thanks

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GreyFoxx:

I have a A180 ATSC card that also does QAM which I use for recording digital cable channels

[04:09:04]

AlsMe:

wow.. this is so frustrating.. so complicated

[04:09:19]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, and the industry does that on purpose

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GreyFoxx:

:) They want to force you to rent a STB, and or force you to watch it on THEIR terms :)

[04:09:44]

GreyFoxx:

I'm just glad I have an enlightened cable co

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AlsMe:

I don't want to spend $500 on a ubuntu box (CPU, MEM HDD ... etc.....) then find out this shit doesn't work

[04:10:11]

wagner:

so spend $50 on a card, and your current desktop

[04:10:20]

wagner:

test it out first before buying any amount of hardware

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AlsMe:

greyfox.. if I place the signal through the STB.. then I should be able to change channels within Mythtv right?

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GreyFoxx:

als: worst case you can do analog recordings of the output of a STB, and as of abnout now you can buy an HDPVR to do HDTV captures of the component HDTV output of a settop as well

[04:10:27]

wagner:

any significant amount

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GreyFoxx:

als: yeah but unless it's firewire you will need to use a ir blaster or something to control the STB

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wagner:

well you can order one, i dont consider it 'buying' until it comes in the mail

[04:11:16]

AlsMe:

ahh so firewire is a must

[04:11:16]

wagner:

which may be several months

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GreyFoxx:

als: No

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wagner:

firewire is an option

[04:11:35]

wagner:

analog is an option

[04:11:43]

wagner:

hdpvr is an option

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GreyFoxx:

you can do analog recordings, but analog doesn't let you control the STB like firewire does so you need something else to control the stb

[04:11:50]

wagner:

some, all, or none might work

[04:11:56]

AlsMe:

I've seen the analog signal that cogeco provides here .. and I'm staying away from that

[04:12:00]

GreyFoxx:

the analog option will always work

[04:12:06]

AlsMe:

SD Digital would be best right now

[04:12:18]

AlsMe:

so anything with SD and I'll be the happiest guy around

[04:13:25]

GreyFoxx:

one of these days I'll start something for tracking what is available in each area, and tie it into the digital channel info so channel scanning isn't such a bitch

[04:13:26]

wagner:

just get an analog tuner card (with video capture)

[04:13:38]

wagner:

you have to use the sound card to capture audio

[04:13:54]

wagner:

greyfoxx: theres a page for that on the wiki already

[04:14:04]

wagner:

not the channel scanning part

[04:14:10]

wagner:

but at least listing of what is available

[04:14:38]

GreyFoxx:

Wag: I'm looking to integrate something into myth to let a user auto attempt to grab the listings info from services.mythtv.org

[04:14:48]

AlsMe:

okay 1 thing tho.. if I have a firewire on the STB .. will it be a prob to get it working with Myth-tv?

[04:15:05]

GreyFoxx:

als: Like we said, it TOTALLY depends on the cable company and what they ALLOW

[04:15:15]

GreyFoxx:

they have turn it on and off on a perchannel basis if they want

[04:15:20]

GreyFoxx:

or even a per show basis

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AlsMe:

if I call them the guy should know tho

[04:15:33]

AlsMe:

right?

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wagner:

i suppose you could mandate a special format for the wiki page, and then have the scanner scrape the page

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GreyFoxx:

It's their playground, you just get to live in it :)

[04:15:53]

AlsMe:

I wanna live where your living Foxx

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GreyFoxx:

als: Most would likely not know what firewire is unless they get you to a techiy :)

[04:16:00]

GreyFoxx:

Alsa: Halifax :)

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kdub:

on some cable boxes there is a service menu you can access to see what channels will come through firewire

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AlsMe:

is it hot there?

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GreyFoxx:

wag: No, I'd have it on services.mythtv.org just like the channel icon stuff

[04:16:32]

GreyFoxx:

alsa: 22C yesterday, was nice

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AlsMe:

lol that's pretty good actually

[04:17:09]

AlsMe:

but I've got class now.. so I guess I won't move for a while

[04:17:52]

AlsMe:

I've got my laptop up in my room and I'd like to stream this tv to my laptop because someone is always on the TV

[04:18:01]

AlsMe:

how is the picture quality on a LCD monitor?

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GreyFoxx:

that;s a pretty broad question :)

[04:18:30]

AlsMe:

like a computer monitor... can you do full-screen without a weird effect

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kdub:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

how do is any video playback on your monitor ?:)

[04:18:39]

kdub:

yes you can full screen it

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wagner:

looks decent as long as you turn a deinterlacer on

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AlsMe:

and your files get saved as what format?

[04:19:20]

AlsMe:

video files**

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wagner:

depends on the tuner

[04:19:40]

wagner:

frame grabbers output .nuv

[04:19:46]

wagner:

nupple video

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wagner:

hardware capture cards are typically mpeg2

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AlsMe:

ahh that's good :)

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GreyFoxx:

pvr cards are mpeg2, digital are almost always mpeg2 but somethings h264, for framegrabbers myth software encodes to mpeg4 or rtjpeg and puts in a nuv container

[04:20:23]

AlsMe:

THANK YOU!

[04:20:29]

wagner:

digital in the US are going to be mpeg2

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wagner:

dvb nations sometimes use mpeg4

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AlsMe:

cogeco is really bad in terms of the channels they offer

[04:22:52]

AlsMe:

there's no Tennis channel :(

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AlsMe:

I might just transition to sat .. might fix that problem

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tim1:

hi can any one help me set up a cron job ? http://www.forums.cory.lievers.ca/viewtopic.php?p=238

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AlsMe:

use crontab

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tim1:

i dont know.

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tim1:

:-D

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iamlindoro__:

man crontab

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tim1:

ahh ok

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tim1:

im close http://pastebin.com/m362028a

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iamlindoro__:

ummm

[04:50:02]

iamlindoro__:

not even close

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iamlindoro__:

These are questions for your distro channel, not for this one, btw... and we don't do XBMC here

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iamlindoro__:

crontab -e

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iamlindoro__:

paste in your line, save, exit. then end

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iamlindoro__:

er the end

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tim1:

thank u

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: my new qam modulator and rf upconverter is working nicely

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TalibJayid:

oh how i wish i could figure out the occasional video pause i have

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TalibJayid:

ive tried everything i can think of but still, every 20 seconds or so, i get a pause in video playback

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kormoc_:

TalibJayid, turn off "Use video as timebase" ?

[05:49:06]

TalibJayid:

i did:(

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TalibJayid:

it's not checked

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TalibJayid:

kormoc_: i have no output to console when it happens, so there's no debug error

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kormoc_:

use a different video playback profile?

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TalibJayid:

i have enable rt priority threads, jump to program osd, extra audio buff, warn on no audio output, automatically mark a recording, always stream recordings, enable picture controls

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TalibJayid:

kormoc_: i've tried several:O

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TalibJayid:

gl, xvmc, xv, etc etc

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kormoc_:

why always stream?

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TalibJayid:

kormoc_: is that a bad idea?

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TalibJayid:

kormoc_: i generally watch local files, so should i uncheck this?

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kormoc_:

yeah

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kormoc_:

that's just adding in extra overhead

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TalibJayid:

k

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TalibJayid:

any other options i should be aware of?

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TalibJayid:

kormoc_: that didn't fix it:(

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kormoc_:

not off the top of my head

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TalibJayid:

kormoc_: if i play the same recording with gmplayer, the problem doesn't occur, which makes me think it's definitely a myth setting issue

[05:54:23]

kormoc_:

myth has between 5% and 20% overhead overtop of mplayer (depending on who tests)

[05:54:30]

kormoc_:

so it still might just be not enough power

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** kormoc_ shrugs **

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TalibJayid:

it seems to have started with .22

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TalibJayid:

or .21 i mean

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kormoc_:

check to see if the cpu is pegged?

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TalibJayid:

with something like gnome-system-monitor?

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kormoc_:

should work

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TalibJayid:

kormoc_: nope, no spike when it occurs

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kuber:

beer time!

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TalibJayid:

kormoc_: no difference in cpu at all:O

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Neeesat:

Hello to all

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Neeesat:

Is it possible to have some fauvorite channels instead of the full list in EPG?

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tank-man:

i believe you can

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monkeypet:

I thought you could hide channels also.

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x0d:

doh

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x0d:

trying to connect my hd cable box via firewire, not sure how to tell if it's actually communicating

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Neeesat:

Well actually I want to see only aroung 50 channels from the 2000

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x0d:

I see my firewire bus in lspci

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x0d:

'watch tv' doesn't seem to work

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Tanthrix:

x0d: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire <--Lots of troubleshooting stuff there.

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Tanthrix:

x0d: Running firewire_tester is generally a must.

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x0d:

thx

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Tanthrix:

x0d: No prob.

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purserj:

sigh which is going to be easier, whinging to the SUN people about offering rss2.0 support for their SDN TV feed, or building atom support into mythnews

[09:51:44]

Penfold:

the latter's going to long-term more use, surely?

[09:56:56]

purserj:

yeah

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purserj:

turns out that it won't solve my immediate problem though, they've moved to flash files from the mp4 they were hosting

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mxpower:

i have a quick question, how do i determine my sql port and my database info on an system that has already been configured?

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AndyCap:

mxpower: look at the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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mxpower:

ty

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mxpower:

any idea on the port? :)

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zippytech:

any idea's where i should look to fix the myvolume control issue where changing the vilume does not work

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Mr_Grieves:

I've been having an issue with the flash player in trunk mythweb for a while and just found some time to look into it. Basically, none of the thumbnails display and the flash player never comes up.

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Mr_Grieves:

The apache logs complain about not being able to find files in mythweb/data/cache, which is empty.

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Mr_Grieves:

mythweb/data is owned by apache.apache with 755 permissions. Any ideas?

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Mr_Grieves:

Is there script I should run to populate mythweb/data/cache?

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AlsM1:

need to get a "Digital" signal from a STB to my Myth-tv box .. is a STB with firewire the only option?

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GreyFoxx:

alsm: If you want the original then yes

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esotericisms:

Morning, I just go done doing a reinstall ... I got sound working, but my sound was kind enough to restart my box for me so sound isn't working now ...

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esotericisms:

I got aplay to play a sound

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esotericisms:

but mythtv isn't playing any audio

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esotericisms:

and I haven't changed any of the settings inside of myth

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esotericisms:

can anyone help?

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esotericisms:

guess not?

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AlsM1:

Greyfoxx, I'm asking because there's a STB with an HDMI out that I found..

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AlsM1:

so I'd be able to just place that output into my PC right?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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AlsM1:

then its digital

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AlsM1:

no...?

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GreyFoxx:

Do you have anb HDMI capture card ?:)

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AlsM1:

well I'd buy one

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AlsM1:

if they exists?

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GreyFoxx:

There are no good, linux supported hdmi capture cards that let you record the original signal

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GreyFoxx:

In fact I've only heard of 1 and it defiantely is not linux supported

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AlsM1:

because I just called up Cogeco.. and they said that their STB doesn't have firewire

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AlsM1:

but they said.. that I can buy any Motorola STB and then they'd activate it for me

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|Torg|:

there is a component caputre, just not HDMI or DVI capture

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GreyFoxx:

als: Well that's nice of them at least, most wont even do that

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AlsM1:

http://www.motorola.com/business/v/index.jsp? . . . 8406b00aRCRD

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GreyFoxx:

My local cableco uses Motorola boxes so I already have firewire

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AlsM1:

I don't know which one to get on there :S

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AlsM1:

Foxx, you live in Alberta tho.. so its different than Ontario.. right?

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esotericisms:

my audio from mythtv just stopped working since my last reboot but I can play audio just fine using aplay

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AlsM1:

or was it saskatewan

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esotericisms:

any ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

als: I live in Halifax, Nova Scotia

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AlsM1:

ahh right.. I wasn't even close

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GreyFoxx:

wrong direction :)

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AlsM1:

you did tell me yesterday.. I had too much wine tho

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GreyFoxx:

als: I'd ask them if they could recommend. would suck to get one and have them not support it :)

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esotericisms:

when mythtv is playing a recording I can no longer play audio using aplay, it says the device is in use

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esotericisms:

but I still don't get anything from mythtv

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AlsM1:

they said.. call them before I buy it

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AlsM1:

but can you help me pick a cheap one?

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AlsM1:

there's so many.. and I don't want recording features

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GreyFoxx:

not particularly :)

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AlsM1:

anything motorola

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GreyFoxx:

I can tell you what I have and that's abnout it :)

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AlsM1:

what do you have...

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AlsM1:

and don't tell me an STB :P

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|Torg|:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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GreyFoxx:

als: I have a DCT6200

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GreyFoxx:

non dvr

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esotericisms:

hello?

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AlsM1:

what's the difference between a PVR.. DVR.. and STB .. so confusing

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GreyFoxx:

a settop box is just a settop box/tuner

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tank-man:

break them down to what the acronyms stand for and its easy to understand

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GreyFoxx:

the dvr/pvr functions are recording of the shows

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|Torg|:

Persoanl Video Recorder, Digital Video Recorder, Set Top Box.....all merketing terms

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AlsM1:

ahh okay thanks.. then if a STB is just a tuner/box.. how can Motorola have STB's that record too

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AlsM1:

why not just call them PVR

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AlsM1:

or DVR

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|Torg|:

what they are called, and what they do are generally two differnt things

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|Torg|:

'sometimes they are the same, sometimes I think they use a dart board

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AlsM1:

ohh okay

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|Torg|:

PVR and DVR are about interchangable, a STB is an external tuner

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esotericisms:

mythfrontend things something is using /dev/dsp

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esotericisms:

but I can't find anything that is

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esotericisms:

is there anyway I can try and find out what is using /dev/dsp?

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GreyFoxx:

eso: You can try (as root) lsof | grep dsp

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GreyFoxx:

see what if anything has it open

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esotericisms:

nothing

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esotericisms:

and I didn't think anything did either

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esotericisms:

cause I can do aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav

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esotericisms:

and it works just fine

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esotericisms:

but when I try and play a recording in mythtv

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esotericisms:

mythfrontend log states disabling audio something has control over /dev/dsp

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GreyFoxx:

Ummmmmmm you do know /dev/dsp means you have myth configured for OSS audio (the default) and aplay uses ALSA ?:)

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GreyFoxx:

Go into myth and set it to use ALSA:default for audio

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esotericisms:

doh

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GreyFoxx:

might have to set the mixer as well to "default"

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esotericisms:

GreyFoxx: I'll still get the benefits of using my spdif out if I do that?

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GreyFoxx:

you'd pretty much have to use alsa if you want spdif out

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GreyFoxx:

as for what specifically you have to set to get spdif out via alsa I can't say but yiy beed aksa bibe tge kess

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GreyFoxx:

stupid keyboard

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esotericisms:

GreyFoxx: got it working :)

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esotericisms:

thanks

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esotericisms:

weird that it worked before but now doesn't

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noii:

hi – i've just installed mythtv on a new media pc. first time trying it, and it mostly works great. However, I have strange text on the screen while watching tv. The letters are kerned really tightly together, and seem to big. They also seem to flicker a little. Not quite sure what to search for to find a fix for this.

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rsc-232:

where can i get rs232 codes for TVs

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XLV:

rsc-232, you mean for the rs-232 service port some TVs got?

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rsc-232:

yes

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rsc-232:

i need the ones for a Sharp SharpVision LC-PD50U

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rsc-232:

any ideas?

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XLV:

wouldnt know, seems very specific... i dont think even in its service manual you'd get codes.. the techs most likely have some app to handle service port

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rsc-232:

so how does programs like mythtv controll tvs and stuff?

[17:43:16]

jduggan:

is the standard sky dish 43cm?

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XLV:

all that rs-232 port on TVs does, is that it connects to some pc with some null modem cable and runs tests, alters config of TV... its not some standard rs-232 port

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XLV:

i assume

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XLV:

so you cant do something with it, unless you got the codes.. and even if you did, only thing you could do would be the above

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rsc-232:

LinuxMCE

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rsc-232:

can turn it off / on

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Dagmar:

Well, they're usually PS-232 because that's the cheapest ICs one can get, but *what* to send over RS-232 is generally best described as "user-unfriendly" and possibly "cockeyed"

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rsc-232:

change inputs

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Dagmar:

They're not generally designed to *control* the TV the way you would with a remote

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rsc-232:

but how are these projects doing that

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XLV:

rsc-232, seems some TVs allows some control over some aspects of TV through that rs-232 port, but thats not general to all TVs, nor easy to find those codes

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Dagmar:

Why don't you ask "these projects"

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rsc-232:

xlv: i got some access to dealer forums im sure its on there

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rsc-232:

does the mft use the same codes with all tvs

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rsc-232:

brb

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zippytech:

if i have an x10 reciever can i use any remote ?

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psofa:

anyone knows if zsnes finally supports lirc? ty

[18:02:56]

Dagmar:

zippytech: You know, you should really read up on what x10 is and how it works.

[18:03:11]

Dagmar:

psofa: Ask the zsnes people for pete's sake

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Dagmar:

zippytech: If you'd read up, you'd know X10 uses RF, not IR.

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noii:

anyone experienced slightly flickering text on osd?

[18:07:11]

Dagmar:

If you buy an X10 programmable remote, they generally have IR capability just for people to use them to control their TVs as well as the lights

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iamlindoro__:

noii: Turn off Bob deinterlacing

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Koffa:

a recording started while watching live-tv — how do I kill it now?

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jarle:

does the source of mythtv come with a mythtv icon I can use in KDE, or do I need to look elsewhere for that?

[18:12:24]

jarle:

Koffa: just delete the recording if you want it to stop

[18:12:48]

Koffa:

jarle: tried delete and override, both failed... delete + rerecord seemed to work

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Koffa:

weird imo

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noii:

iamlindoro__: I can't see a reference to Bob interlacing in the setup area – where can I control this (or read up on it)?

[18:20:54]

iamlindoro__:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

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rsc-232:

i found the codes

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rsc-232:

:-D

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psofa:

Dagmar, most zsnes people that would like lirc are prolly mythtv people :)

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Dagmar:

psofa: No, they're not.

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Dagmar:

You waste your time by NOT asking the right people.

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CRXLPY:

any tips about a saa7134 card that gives the <rant> in dmesg? ("...vendor saved a few cents for an eeprom....") I cant get anything out of it. I tried with xawtv and xdtv also, no video or errors.

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Dagmar:

CRXLPY: Read the _reat_ of the message.

[18:41:41]

Dagmar:

s/reat/rest/;

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CRXLPY:

read it to you?

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Dagmar:

No, *you* read it.

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Dagmar:

It is telling you what to do.

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CRXLPY:

I have. how do I know which board to spec with card=

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Dagmar:

Gee... TRY THEM

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CRXLPY:

lspci gives Philis Semiconductors Unknown Device 0000 . I have this issue with card=0 too

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Dagmar:

It gives you a VERY short list

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Dagmar:

If it doesn't work when you try one, try the next one

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CRXLPY:

Dagmar short??? 0–117

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Dagmar:

It did not list 117 models.

[18:45:11]

CRXLPY:

so I need to try 118 times

[18:45:16]

CRXLPY:

yes it did

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Dagmar:

...and if you're not bright enough to look at the card and figure out which ones to rule out, that's your problem.

[18:45:44]

Dagmar:

You're the one with the card and all the information that can be gathered by _looking at it_

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Dagmar:

...or just go buy a PVR-150 card.

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CRXLPY:

I was looking through my kernel config as we spoke. I had left out the eeprom module for i2c. that is probly needed to read the eeprom DUH!

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CRXLPY:

or am I wrong about that Dagmar?

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zippytech:

sorry , lol guess i did not but that together

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AlsM1:

I've got a motorola STB with a firewire port.. and I just called cogeco they said its disabled.. is there a hack to turn the firewire port on??

[19:04:48]

AlsM1:

its a dct6200 *

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iamlindoro__:

AlsM1: No. The provider must enable it for it to work.

[19:05:40]

iamlindoro__:

Policies are sent to the STB by the headend, not locally stored.

[19:05:43]

AlsM1:

then I'm screwed.. because they won't

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GreyFoxx:

Did they tell you they would turn it on, and hence why you were looking to buy one?

[19:06:08]

iamlindoro__:

Yup, this is the pain most people deal with, sadly.

[19:06:09]

GreyFoxx:

And you bought one already in a couple hours ?

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AlsM1:

yea, I asked them about their STB .. they said that they have a DCT-6200 and a DCT-6412.. either have firewire enabled

[19:07:02]

AlsM1:

and I asked if they could turn it on.. they said .. no they can't

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AlsM1:

but there must be a firmware hack that I could apply

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GreyFoxx:

No

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AlsM1:

....

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GreyFoxx:

They can turn it on, they are choosing not too

[19:08:16]

AlsM1:

its weird.. because I called one guy up and he said that he would turn it on.. then I call again and this other guy says that he won't

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GreyFoxx:

Ask for the first guy :)

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AlsM1:

yea lol

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GreyFoxx:

one of the two is an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about

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CRXLPY:

dont know if this works in this situ. a buddy has a dish dvr and he would pull the hdd and put it in a chassis to xfer the files when he wanted

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GreyFoxx:

That'd be a major pita

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CRXLPY:

on the dish dvr it is a standard fs (forget the one)

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AlsM1:

is there a big difference in PQ if I use IR blaster with the Composite outputs?

[19:10:50]

AlsM1:

compare to the quality of the firewire output

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CRXLPY:

yeah GreyFoxx, but less of a pita than getting stuck with no option at all

[19:11:29]

GreyFoxx:

crx: Personally I'd capture the analog outputs before I spend time moving drives around except for 1 off recordings

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iamlindoro__:

AlsM1: Firewire output is a digital out, and is a "perfect" picture. There is a massive quality difference.

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CRXLPY:

GreyFoxx agreed, it depends on what I was archiving

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AlsM1:

very crappy :(

[19:15:37]

AlsM1:

what if I use the DVI output of the dct6200 and place that into a TV card with that support.. isn't that an amazing option

[19:15:50]

AlsM1:

DVI is digital

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iamlindoro__:

There's no DVI/HDMI capture in linux.

[19:16:06]

GreyFoxx:

I'm unware of any dvi capture cards

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AndyCap:

AlsM1: except that few cards capture DVI, and the bandwidth demands hare enourmous

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GreyFoxx:

and frankly this is becomming annoying

[19:16:19]

directhex:

it's iamlindoro_!

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directhex:

omghi2u!

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GreyFoxx:

you have been told your options, stop trying to find something we haven't thought of. We've been at this a long time :)

[19:16:36]

iamlindoro__:

hola directhex, heheh, what's happening?

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AlsM1:

well its just frustrating that's all.. I called cogeco.. they don't have options.. you guys don't have options

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iamlindoro__:

coming to your island on Tuesday

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GreyFoxx:

QAM capture, firewire, analog, or hdpvr from the component outputs (which it comes availabnle any day now)

[19:17:16]

AlsM1:

so I'm stuck with shit PQ

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AndyCap:

AlsM1: well, you're not paying us are you?

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GreyFoxx:

als: If I was you I'd start hammering cogeco. Especially if you paid money based on what the guy told you

[19:18:42]

AlsM1:

maybe if I switch cable providers :D

[19:18:59]

AlsM1:

would I have this prob with Rogers or maybe a Sat provider

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

You would still be up to their mercies

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AlsM1:

because Cogeco won't change their mind

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AlsM1:

:( .. fine

[19:19:36]

AlsM1:

In the U.S they don't have these issues

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GreyFoxx:

the industry is not intending to make it better for you, ubt for them

[19:19:41]

iamlindoro__:

Uhhhhh yes we do

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GreyFoxx:

als: It's MUCH worse down there

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AndyCap:

AlsM1: at least here there are some sat providers for which you can buy a cam and use a DVB card with a CI slot

[19:20:30]

AlsM1:

I read that the FCC mandates that, .. if you ask your cable provider to enable the firewire port, they have to.. ONLY IF, you have the high-def package

[19:20:34]

iamlindoro__:

The only thing they're mandated to give us here via firewire is local TV... and many simply disregard that rule.

[19:20:48]

GreyFoxx:

als: Most ignore the FCC mandate, AND you onmly get a couple channels

[19:20:49]

Alxx:

Anyone else had this since upgrading to 0.21? – Grabbing XMLTV data using tv_grab_uk_rt is not supported. You may need to upgrade to the latest version of XMLTV.

[19:20:51]

iamlindoro__:

AlsM1: And no, it doesn't require a Hi Def package

[19:21:06]

Alxx:

I seem to be on the latest xmltv already

[19:21:14]

GreyFoxx:

als: they only have to enable it for local channels, so onlya few

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AlsM1:

ohhh

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directhex:

Alxx, what does "tv_grab_uk_rt --capabilities" say?

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GreyFoxx:

And most companies don't do it anyway even when users complain

[19:21:38]

Alxx:

baseline

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Alxx:

manualconfig

[19:21:38]

Alxx:

cache

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Alxx:

preferredmethod

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GreyFoxx:

It's a real crapshoot

[19:21:55]

AlsM1:

its just stupid.. like I'm basically stuck with their PVR now

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AlsM1:

I like Myth-tv

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GreyFoxx:

als: Or you could TRY the analog/.qam options

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AlsM1:

I just don't want a crap PQ .. thanks for your help anyways

[19:22:32]

GreyFoxx:

If they don't work well for you , then go to their pvr

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AlsM1:

I learned a lot

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Alxx:

I suppose it would help if I knew what "tv_grab_uk_rt --capabilities" gave out beforehand :)

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iamlindoro__:

Or you could stick around long enough for the HD-PVR to show up and be supported in the next few weeks, and capture HD and SD that way... you'll take a tiny quality hit but can capture whatever you want.

[19:23:48]

directhex:

Alxx, if it gives "baseline", it ought to work with myth

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AlsM1:

HD-PVR eh?

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iamlindoro__:

Yup. http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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AlsM1:

can I transfer via video to/from it?

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iamlindoro__:

Component capture. Still an analog out, but by far the best of them and capture samples look great so far. Plus, you can capture any HD you like.

[19:24:53]

AlsM1:

transfer video file to/from it****

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iamlindoro__:

It's not a seperate PVR, it's just a capture device

[19:25:12]

AlsM1:

ohh thanks.. so this is coming to Canada

[19:25:15]

iamlindoro__:

like any other tuner card/capture card/what have you.

[19:25:24]

AlsM1:

okay thanks

[19:25:27]

iamlindoro__:

It's coming to the internet, which I hear they have in canada these days

[19:25:34]

GreyFoxx:

als: It's coming to the world :) It's not country specific :)

[19:25:59]

AlsM1:

lol thanks

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Alxx:

hmm

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directhex:

where would i buy a compass with space on it to give a bearing, rather than just N/S/E/W?

[19:26:12]

Alxx:

I wonder if a path is screwed up somewhere

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AndyCap:

directhex: from Silva

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AlsM1:

now your saying that the HD-PVR has component out.. but then so does the DCT6200 that cogeco is offering

[19:27:57]

iamlindoro__:

AlsM1: It's a component *IN*

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iamlindoro__:

argh

[19:28:05]

iamlindoro__:

this is why I always hesitate to help

[19:28:14]

iamlindoro__:

The HD-PVR is a *CAPTURE DEVICE*

[19:28:21]

AlsM1:

ohh okay gotcha ;)

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro__: because people check their brains at the door?

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AlsM1:

sorry for being such a noob at this stuff

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iamlindoro__:

you plug it into your PC via USB and it captures from your STBs component outs

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iamlindoro__:

STB->Hd-PVR->PC

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iamlindoro__:

AndyCap: GAKHASFG(Y!_$&QERWTQERWY)(GASDH

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iamlindoro__:

;)

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AlsM1:

hopefully myth-tv supports this

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro_ did you get yours yet?

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iamlindoro__:

It will. When they arrive in people's hot little hands

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GreyFoxx:

als: It will

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iamlindoro__:

No. None have shipped yet.

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|Torg|:

didnt think so, im still waiting on mine too

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Alxx:

hmm

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Alxx:

must be environment or path or something, looks like it behaves differently run by hand instread of cron

[19:30:57]

AndyCap:

directhex: where do you find NSEW compasses except in rambo knives and the likes?

[19:31:55]

directhex:

AndyCap, no idea. i just want something to help me aim my antenna

[19:32:41]

|Torg|:

laptop and azap or tzap

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AlsM1:

I'm looking at the HD-PVR .. says, Note: the playback of high definition H.264 requires a fast CPU and at least 256MB of graphics memory

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|Torg|:

I know "about" where north east is, aimed the antenna in the general direction, then used ssh to to he backend and azap to fine tune it

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AlsM1:

I've got 128MB and I'm running HD fine :)

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|Torg|:

264 or 262?

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AndyCap:

or mpeg-2

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|Torg|:

262 = atsc mpeg2

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AlsM1:

h.264

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iamlindoro__:

AlsM1: Perish the thought with this stuff, this will be medium bitrate h.264, will require a beefy CPU.

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: aha

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AlsM1:

what mbps are we taking about?

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directhex:

remember, kids. downloaded 720p rips are nothing like proper h264 in terms of cpu demands

[19:34:56]

directhex:

bitrate isn't the most important factor, assorted encoder settings are

[19:34:58]

AlsM1:

okay, this is very interesting!

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iamlindoro__:

!trout directhex thank you for saving me some typing

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** MythLogBot slaps directhex with a thank you for saving me some typing trout on behalf of iamlindoro__... **

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directhex:

http://x264.nl/h.264.samples

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directhex:

try playing some of those

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|Torg|:

Im using a Q6600 and 4G of ram to view high bitrate h264, my old backend a p4 3ghz would almost, but not quite play it

[19:36:22]

kormoc_:

my core2 duo almost plays 1080i h264

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AlsM1:

I think the anything core 2 duo is enough

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kormoc_:

it's skippy every 2–3 seconds tho

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iamlindoro__:

AlsM1: Good thing your opinion doesn't count then, huh?

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AlsM1:

my P4 2.8 couldn't .. this 1.8 core 2 duo can

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|Torg|:

yes kormoc_ its what the old P4 did

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directhex:

1.8ghz core2 dup should be enough, with both cores working

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|Torg|:

and witht eh q6600 I generaly only use 2 cores, so I dont know for sure, but I belvie a core 2 should work similarly

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** directhex wonders why so few people have taken any interest in the compro thing **

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kormoc_:

mine is a 1.86 ghz cor2 duo and it's not quite for 1080i

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iamlindoro__:

directhex: The GPL violation?

[19:38:30]

directhex:

iamlindoro_, aye

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iamlindoro__:

Hmm, maybe just taking a long weekend?

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Alxx:

none of my kit is anywhere near good enough for HD, I'm not too fussed yet to be honest

[19:38:59]

Alxx:

I'd need an HD telly first LD

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Alxx:

:D

[19:39:12]

AlsM1:

just use ur HD computer monitor :)

[19:39:24]

iamlindoro__:

directhex: Get it on /. and you'll really loose the dogs of war

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AlsM1:

I'm sure it can do at least 720p

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|Torg|:

Alxx that depends GREATLY on what you call HD, I have a X2 3800 that playys 1080I H262 with XvMC fine

[19:40:20]

directhex:

iamlindoro__, it's on lkml, but nobody's responded other than to CC to gpl-violations.org (no actual replies)

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|Torg|:

it now my master backend in my "computer rotation" schemea :)

[19:40:56]

AndyCap:

directhex: it is the weekend though

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kormoc_:

directhex, well, the LKML isn't really the place for GPL violations is it?

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|Torg|:

what product is in GPL violation all I can find are some pci cards and such

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kormoc_:

you have the FSF, EFF, GPLV, etc

[19:41:41]

directhex:

kormoc_, it's the place to find someone who could, for example, claim copyright violation in a DMCA takedown notice

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: driver for the card

[19:41:58]

AndyCap:

http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/5/16/472

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directhex:

kormoc_, seing as compro's site is in yankland

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Alxx:

My fastest machine is a 2.4G celery I think == cheapness

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kormoc_:

directhex, meh. it's better for you to do the research and talk to the authors directly if you wanted rather then 'spamming' 15k folks with something that's OT

[19:42:32]

AlsM1:

my cpu averages only 55% when playing x264.. is this easier on my CPU than h264

[19:42:41]

AndyCap:

AlsM1: yes

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directhex:

kormoc_, authors of what?

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directhex:

kormoc_, the authors of the material being infringed upon, i.e. the entire kernel? let's see, how would i contact a bunch of linux kernel developers?...

[19:43:23]

AlsM1:

someone said, downloaded 720p rips are nothing like proper h264 in terms of cpu demands.... bitrate isn't the most important factor, assorted encoder settings are.. could you please explain this amazing quote?

[19:43:51]

directhex:

iamlindoro_, you take this one. be sure to mention shit like PAFF.

[19:44:13]

kormoc_:

directhex, well, they're only really required to give out the changes they made, not everything else (although, they need to link to the non-modified source...)

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kormoc_:

AlsM1, x264 *is* h264

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kormoc_:

AlsM1, it's just done with a open source encoder rather then a closed source one

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Alxx:

yay, Updated programs: 12034 Unchanged programs: 41

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directhex:

kormoc_, they're required to, for example, actually provide the license under which the software is licensed

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AlsM1:

ohh okay

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|Torg|:

x264 is an encoder, h264 is the protocol

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russK:

how come when I paused a 30 minute recording it says, "Paused 9:48 of 37:21" — shouldn't it be "of 30:00"?

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kormoc_:

directhex, yes, but that's not covered by the DMCA, that's a license violation, not a copyright violation, slightly different

[19:45:57]

directhex:

kormoc_, they don't have any legal right to redistribute snd-emu10k1.ko and libata.ko and sg.ko and hid.ko without indicating clearly the license the software is covered under, and offering the source with it

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kormoc_:

russK, cause it's not a 30 min exactly recording?

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Alxx:

hmm, any clever way to stop it grabbing all the xml data twice for two identical DVB cards?

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kormoc_:

directhex, right, and those modules are not the entire kernel development team

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|Torg|:

assign them the same source, its how i do 2x atsc cards

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russK:

kirmoc, not sure, it should be 30 min, 37:21 is a bit far off

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Alxx:

aah ok

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Alxx:

I'll have a prod at mythtv-setup in a min then

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Alxx:

cheers

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kormoc_:

russK, that's the worst spelling of my name in months. Gratz

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|Torg|:

kiromak :P

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kormoc_:

and torg takes the lead!

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Alxx:

kksiormoac_?

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directhex:

kormoc_, the *entire thing* is being distributed. all of it. every single module. without any acknowledgement of the license, without any provision for source code access.

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directhex:

kormoc, if they reject the terms of the gpl, then standard copyright applies – and they have no written permission to redistribute, other than the GPL. which means copyright violation

[19:48:10]

kormoc:

directhex, right, but again, license violation, not copyright violation

[19:48:25]

kormoc:

directhex, sadly, that's never been tested in court yet

[19:48:27]

bunder:

say i recorded an episode that was missing the description, but had an episode id, how can i update the metadata on that episode?

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directhex:

kormoc, gpl clause 5.

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kormoc:

directhex, again, never tested in *court*, it's hard to say they'll rule that way

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Alxx:

bunder> are you prepared to use SQL?

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kormoc:

bunder, there's no simple way to do so other then if you get the meta data yourself and update the db

[19:49:28]

directhex:

kormoc, wallace vs fsf.

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bunder:

hm, i figured as much... thanks guys

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|Torg|:

hmm I would have given himt eh update query but he left :)

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kormoc:

directhex, that's quite different

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Alxx:

heh, he did seem to be in a hurry :D

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kormoc:

directhex, I'm saying your cliam that if they reject the GPL that it's inherently covered by *us* copyright. That's a tough pill when a huge part of it is owned internationally

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russK:

sorry i misspeled yur nam kormac

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directhex:

kormoc, sure. but the gpl has been tested in court several times, in different scopes. are you really that adamant that compro have no wrongdoing?

[19:51:13]

directhex:

kormoc, the last big gpl case was in germany

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kormoc:

directhex, not at all. I think they should be forced to fix it, but attempting to summon the beast of DMCA seems really outlandish

[19:52:05]

directhex:

kormoc, nobody's offered any better fucking ideas

[19:52:07]

kormoc:

directhex, and you're talking about the DMCA in the US, again, you're making a leap that I really don't think the courts would

[19:52:15]

directhex:

kormoc, nobody, as far as i can tell, gives a flying fuck

[19:52:17]

kormoc:

directhex, FSF can (and does) sue, as does the EFF...

[19:52:23]

kormoc:

directhex, it's been what? 3 days?

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directhex:

kormoc, and at this point, fuck it. all power to compro

[19:52:39]

kormoc:

directhex, last GPL violation xris worked with took *months*

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kormoc:

directhex, you can get all hot and heavy as you want, but it takes patience to win...

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AndyCap:

directhex: and atleast waiting a few business days is in order

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directhex:

AndyCap, how many is a few?

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AndyCap:

more than 1. :)

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kormoc:

directhex, and contact the EFF and FSF, they're busy groups, it might take a while to research and get back to ya, but they're good people fighting the good fight

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directhex:

AndyCap, it's been 3 working days since i contacted compro, which is already in excess of the "we will get back to you within 3 days" message in their automated reply. i don't want instant resolution, i want some sign of sentient life

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directhex:

that goes equally for the linuxtv, gpl-violations, and lkml mailing lists.

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AndyCap:

directhex: well. I was just looking at your lkml posting, and that's dated 16th of may at 23 am which was friday. and that's the weekend

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kormoc:

Also, with how much traffic the LKML gets, I'm typically a few months behind...

[20:02:24]

kormoc:

directhex, http://www.fsf.org/licensing/compliance

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directhex:

kormoc, http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-violation.html would be the model i followed – get as much info as possible, report to copyright holders. which isn't the fsf, in the case of the kernel

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wagner:

why would you distribute an entire kernel with a driver anyway?

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directhex:

wagner, idiocy

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wagner:

they dont want to take the time to write a linker script like nvidia does?

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AndyCap:

wagner: the good old, "it works. ship it and don't touch anything"

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directhex:

wagner, try it yourself. http://www.comprousa.com/downloadfiles/linux.rpm

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|Torg|:

I dunno about you, but installing a "driver" that molests the entire kernel is sorta scarry

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AlsM1:

for some reason VLC plays 720p really choppy (1 frame / 10 seconds).. whearas, Media Player classic plays it close to 30 frames / sec

[20:08:48]

wagner:

their website doesnt even work without javascript, thats shitty

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directhex:

|Torg|, it's a kernel image, with modifications to (at least) tuner.c and cx88xx.c

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|Torg|:

so say I have a nava-s card, which I have two of, and I load this POS (Piece Of Software) how it is going to ensure by other hardware works?

[20:10:30]

directhex:

|Torg|, it isn't. that's not their concern

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wagner:

theyre going to the easiest solution on their end, and damn any other products or legal concerns

[20:11:04]

directhex:

|Torg|, anyway, janneg reckons it might well contain chunks of the chip vendors' SDK. which puts them between a rock & a hard place

[20:11:17]

CRXLPY:

looks like my card is a 7130hl chip. not any brand name on the card

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directhex:

|Torg|, it shouldn't molest other kernels unless you already have one in /./lib/modules/2.6.17–13mdvcustom/

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|Torg|:

directhex: I think you mistake by facetiousness for a question :P

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directhex:

it does seem odd that if they're gonna be silly, they didn't just distribute the .ko files, with instructions to overwrite the supplied ones

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|Torg|:

probbly becase their deveolper learnd to use linux by google

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directhex:

rather than providing 1752 unrelated modules, as well as a vmlinuz

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AlsM1:

do any of you guys play 720p material in VLC without a hitch?

[20:19:51]

AlsM1:

because I'm getting a message "more than 5 seconds of missing frame.. maybe your computer is too slow"

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|Torg|:

I play h262 720P with mythc internal player without a hitch (well other then that trash mpeg they bordcast)

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directhex:

vlc isn't usually the first player to get new features

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directhex:

and h264 decoding is bleeding edge in developer land

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|Torg|:

hell ill settle for real time x264 :)

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|Torg|:

and im sorta wondering if I output 1080I from my backend to the inputs of my HD-DVR, then output it back to a slave backend if I can use it as a real time encoder :)

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kormoc:

|Torg|, isn't that the point of it normally?

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|Torg|:

no I was goign to use it to output it from my HD sat STB, then into the HD-DVR, then out to my slave backend to record stuff I have a stb with subscription for

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nespinosa:

hi

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nespinosa:

I have a black screen when watching tv

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kormoc:

and you checked the logs and found?

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nespinosa:

I will come back tomorrow an let you know the frontend and backend logs. Thank you

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iamlindoro__:

I say if you need 24 hours to open a log file you need MOAR MHZ

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iamlindoro__:

;)

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directhex:

MOAR!

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Dagmar:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z38/xsagex_215/MOAR.jpg

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famicom:

ugh

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famicom:

how do i force mythtv to use my ATI HDMI out

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iamlindoro__:

Buy buying an nVidia card and using that instead

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Dagmar:

lol

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famicom:

the card works just fine

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famicom:

it's just mythtv that is being assbackwards

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iamlindoro__:

Yes, ATI cards have long been chronicled as an excellent choice for MythTV

[21:07:03]

famicom:

mplayer works, vlc works, gstreamer works fine too

[21:07:48]

kuber:

http://img.waffleimages.com/114f1c22b4a3970b7 . . . b980_700.jpg

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famicom:

but apart from the "omg ur card r teH sux0rz" fanboys

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famicom:

anyone here got an idea to get mythtv to use the card

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directhex:

you've given no useful descriptions at all, so people have had to resort to equally generic answers

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kormoc:

famicom, ati has stated publically they don't support mythtv.

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directhex:

the answer to "my ati doesn't work is" "s/my //"

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kormoc:

famicom, and second, HDMI outputs is all done by the *video* driver, not myth

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directhex:

and yes, it's on ati.com's faq database. no mythtv support

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kormoc:

famicom, configure X correctly and myth will run fine, it's not myth preventing you from using your card

[21:10:52]

famicom:

well, thats the whole thing

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famicom:

X works awesomely

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famicom:

all video is accelerated in mythtv

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famicom:

alsa is compiled with snd-intel-hda

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famicom:

as well as the flag for ati hdmi

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famicom:

it's just that i can't find the proper config for myth

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kormoc:

famicom, to do *what*?

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GreyFoxx:

You know, looking back I don't see wherew you said WHAT is not working

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famicom:

I GOTS NO SOUND

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famicom:

OOH

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GreyFoxx:

Then maybe you should have said that

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Dagmar:

So check the wiki

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famicom:

SORRY

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Dagmar:

It tells how to check that

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famicom:

dagmar aplay really doesn't say anything usefull

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famicom:

:/

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Dagmar:

Man, that's just.... just...

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Dagmar:

Tough noogies.

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famicom:

;_;

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iamlindoro__:

Why is the word famicom always followed by $UselessAssholery, anyway?

[21:13:20]

iamlindoro__:

It's an insult to the family computer, it is.

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kormoc:

I personally have never heard of anyone using audio over hdmi personally

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** directhex throws mario bros at iamlindoro_ **

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Dagmar:

kormoc: It's more or less the normal/easy way to do it

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famicom:

iamlindoro_ thats because you are prone to verbal faggotry

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** iamlindoro__ catches super doku doku panic **

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kormoc:

Dagmar, fair 'nuff

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directhex:

and now we have the vaguest idea of what the problem is, we can make suggestions

[21:14:10]

kormoc:

iamlindoro_, famicom, enough name calling.

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directhex:

e.g. check the passthrough settings are on, check you're using the right audio iut device

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famicom:

kormoc hdmi is pretty sweet once it works

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famicom:

directhex yeah, lemme just power up the ole beast

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kormoc:

I've used hdmi with my tv, but dvi wasn't overscanned, hdmi was. and when I used hdmi, I still just used my normal audio cables

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

I likely never looked into audio, as when the hdmi was overscanned, it was rather useless for my tv

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famicom:

yeah, i had the same issue

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famicom:

but then i got an ATI card and it automagically worked

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kormoc:

My nvidia might just be too old too, it's a pci 5200

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famicom:

well

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famicom:

nvidia has been very troublesome

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Dagmar:

Actually, the DVI output will have the card thinking it's talking to a computer monitor, which is why there was no overscan adjustment.

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kormoc:

well, I also was using a dvi to hdmi adapter, that could be why as well

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famicom:

yeah

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famicom:

that figures

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famicom:

I initially went for nvidia as well

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famicom:

but even when using a dvi->hdmi converter my display went to hell

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famicom:

that and there was no way for Xv accelleration

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kormoc:

the dvi input on my tv works fine, so I kept with my 5200

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kormoc:

uh?

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Dagmar:

kormoc: If you're expecting him to make sense...

[21:20:07]

kormoc:

Xv works quite well with nvidia, that's the reason why ati doesn't want to support myth is their xv kinda sucks...

[21:20:19]

famicom:

hmmm

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famicom:

could be

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kormoc:

they removed Xv support for a number of driver revisions entirely, it was really wacky

[21:21:07]

famicom:

anyhow, my hdmi out works over alsasink device="hw:1,3"

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kormoc:

alsa:hw:1,3 might be the magic string then

[21:21:50]

famicom:

ah

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famicom:

let's try

[21:22:14]

kormoc:

if not, you'll have to define a 'card' in a asoundrc file and then do alsa:card

[21:22:20]

famicom:

humm

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famicom:

thanks dude

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kormoc:

g'luck

[21:22:50]

famicom:

that's the answer i have been looking for for a while

[21:23:13]

directhex:

it took you 10 minutes to say it was an audio issue!

[21:23:13]

rushfan:

When I watch 2 of my HD channels (the others display fine), the playback is really choppy and slow. The only error in mythbackend is Preview Error: Previewer file '/video/2051_20080518172022.mpg' is not valid. and when I check the actual recordings they are choppy too

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famicom:

kormoc there's 2 entries

[21:23:38]

rushfan:

Is this most likely a software problem or a problem with the video on the channel?

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famicom:

device and passthrough device

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kormoc:

famicom, passthrough is for digital/ac3 audio (for going to a receiver to actually process), you'll want to use device likely, but I could be worng

[21:24:43]

famicom:

it works

[21:24:56]

zippytech:

how does lirc know what port the device is connected too

[21:25:02]

kormoc:

the alsa:hw:1,3 string? snazzy

[21:25:05]

famicom:

yeah

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kormoc:

zippytech, by you telling it to

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famicom:

kormoc i'll write a complete howto later on tonight

[21:25:31]

kormoc:

zippytech, depends on which device as well

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kormoc:

famicom, sounds good

[21:25:44]

zippytech:

i have the x10 mouse remote

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famicom:

kormoc this is friggin awesome

[21:25:56]

kormoc:

zippytech, it's connected to what atyle port?

[21:26:12]

zippytech:

yep or rs 232

[21:26:22]

zippytech:

i have it in the serial

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famicom:

i now got 1080 hdtv

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famicom:

:D

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kormoc:

zippytech, I think it's a module option to tell it which port to use. modinfo module.ko should show it's options and a small blurb of help text

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zippytech:

would there be a setting in the lircd config for ttyS?

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kormoc:

there /might/ be

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kormoc:

more info likely could be found on lirc.org

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zippytech:

yea i been looking, know spotting what i am looking foe

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zippytech:

for

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badkitty:

I am not at all familiar with myth or any media center solutions for linux but; Right now I just want a front end of some sort that will access my media files and play them in a gui. Is myth tv for this or is it only for recording tv in a pvr fashion then serving those files to myth frontends?

[21:34:59]

Dagmar:

This ain't for that

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badkitty:

I see the module mythvideo seems to be for that but there has got to be a solution more tuned for what I am looking for.. any ideas?

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kormoc:

badkitty, mythfrontend can run without a backend, but still needs a db

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kormoc:

badkitty, but yeah, other projects likely will be better

[21:39:13]

badkitty:

Do you know any names of other projects that are for this? I believe they are making a ubuntu media center but it is not near ready yet

[21:39:31]

rushfan:

How can I make my picture smaller when watching mythtv? I can use the zoom modes to enlarge it but I cant shrink it.

[21:41:21]

kormoc:

badkitty, sadly, I don't know them offhand

[21:41:36]

badkitty:

Thanks anyway kormoc

[21:43:11]

iamlindoro__:

badkitty: You may want to look at elisa, but last I heard it was a bit rough/experimental. There's also an XBMC port to linux

[21:44:05]

thedarkone:

what is best video driver's for nivida and opengl?

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iamlindoro__:

Nvidia proprietary, no question

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thedarkone:

i tried 169.12

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thedarkone:

100.11

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thedarkone:

100.07

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thedarkone:

Nvidia proprietary?

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thedarkone:

i have a fx5200

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iamlindoro__:

The versions you are talking about are all the proprietary driver, yes.

[21:45:37]

thedarkone:

soon as i enable opengl i get a black screen

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GreyFoxx:

the only version I know that doesn't have the problem at all is 9643

[21:46:04]

iamlindoro__:

IIRC, For OpenGL, everything after 100.11.14 were broken.

[21:46:32]

thedarkone:

so 100.11 is best to use

[21:46:52]

iamlindoro__:

Yes, but OpenGL is still *extremely* rough/brokenish even with a working driver

[21:46:56]

thedarkone:

100.14.11

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thedarkone:

okay

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jduggan:

im using 169.12 with no issue

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iamlindoro__:

As the help text itself tells you in playback profiles as I recall

[21:47:39]

thedarkone:

jduggan is it a fx5200

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iamlindoro__:

jduggan: Are you using xv-blit as your video renderer?

[21:47:50]

jduggan:

no =]

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jduggan:

ooh wait

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jduggan:

my backend/combined frontend is a pci 5200

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jduggan:

let me check what version that is using

[21:48:36]

jduggan:

same

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jduggan:

its 169.12

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PatrickDK:

are you attempting to do hd on that?

[21:48:58]

jduggan:

no

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jduggan:

i dont think PCI bus is fast enough for HD video?

[21:49:19]

PatrickDK:

nope, need atleast 4x agp

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thedarkone:

iamlindoro is 100.14.11 okay to use

[21:49:34]

PatrickDK:

just making sure, many people have tried :)

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GreyFoxx:

jdu: Works fine for me

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iamlindoro__:

thedarkone: yes.

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jduggan:

yea i did try

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jduggan:

GreyFoxx: HD via a PCI card?

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thedarkone:

thank u iamlindoro_

[21:50:05]

GreyFoxx:

I use a PCI fx5200 outputting HD via dvi

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iamlindoro__:

thedarkone: Is there a specific reason you're wanting to use the opengl video renderer? It is *not* as stable/capable as Xv at this point

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GreyFoxx:

and the opengl renderer uses more cpu than xv

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thedarkone:

well i need the picture control

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thedarkone:

for bightness and all

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thedarkone:

only works on opengl

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leprechau:

I've got one frontend with a radeon 9000 in it...TV out works great at 800x600 ... but I can't seem to get a higher res than that...does anyone know of a way to get at least 1024x768 on svideo out?

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jduggan:

GreyFoxx: my onboard Intel vga plays HD fine.. but the PCI FX5200 (which i need to use dvi->HDMI into my TV) is very very laggy even on *cough* downloaded*cough* lower bitrate blueray, some people try telling me its because its a crappy 3ghz p4, others tell me its because PCI bus isnt fast enough – either way i cant get it playing HD

[21:52:37]

GreyFoxx:

jdugg: I've never had a problem with it, it's just "worked"

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jduggan:

its not the CPU because onboard Intel plays atleast 720p just fine

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jduggan:

GreyFoxx: what driver?

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jduggan:

version

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GreyFoxx:

jdug: 96.43

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GreyFoxx:

I've had no reason to upgrade it

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GreyFoxx:

It's in the machine at work

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thedarkone:

i running a pentuim d 3.4ghz dual core

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jduggan:

NVIDIA GLX Module 169.07 <- thedarkone sorry i lied, im using .07 with that 5200

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thedarkone:

okay

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kormoc:

jduggan, my pci 5200 plays 1080i just fine

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thedarkone:

i gona see if i can 100.14.11 to work

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jduggan:

kormoc: driver version?

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kormoc:

jduggan, 169.12

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

so PCI not able to play HD is rubbish?

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kormoc:

I would venture to say so

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kormoc:

that said, I have it on it's own bus, so ymmv depending on other cards

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PatrickDK:

hmm, hd content requires 2.x gigabytes of data per second

[22:01:35]

PatrickDK:

pci can only handle under 1gigabyte/s

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kormoc:

PatrickDK, XV can be compressed between the cpu and the card

[22:02:32]

** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

the nvidia driver does have some black magic

[22:02:56]

kormoc:

all I know is It works fine for me

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PatrickDK:

what resolution you using?

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kormoc:

I'm currently running 720p, but the same card has worked with 1080p just fine

[22:03:51]

PatrickDK:

well, you can run 720p on pci

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PatrickDK:

but you can't do 1080p

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kormoc:

PatrickDK, reality seems to disagree with ya

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PatrickDK:

unless you have some non-moving video

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PatrickDK:

reality has nothing to do with it :)

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kormoc:

Sure it does

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kormoc:

PatrickDK, one key is, I use 16 bit color space, not 24/32

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PatrickDK:

my calculation was on 15bit color

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kormoc:

PatrickDK, 1920*1080*16*30 = 995,328,000

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PatrickDK:

so that would make 31mhz pci needed

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PatrickDK:

pci runs at 33mhz

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PatrickDK:

but then you have pci overhead

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PatrickDK:

latency issues, xxx

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PatrickDK:

it's not going be possible

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kormoc:

hence why I mentioned it's on it's own bus

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seric_:

hello, I have installed mythtv (backend and fronted on the same machine) and face a problem with the fronted. Eeach video (playback or livetv) is studdering although it does not if I view livetv/vidos with kaffeine, vlc etc.

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PatrickDK:

own bus doesn't matter

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kormoc:

sure it does

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PatrickDK:

it helps keep other things from using it

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kormoc:

the more cards you have on the bus, the higher overhead you have

[22:08:05]

PatrickDK:

but it doesn't make the pci bus go faster

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kormoc:

even if the other cards aren't active, it adds overhead

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PatrickDK:

you can't start a data transfer on pci in 1 clock cycle

[22:08:40]

PatrickDK:

so you have overhead

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kormoc:

PatrickDK, given my card has worked in the past, it seems silly that you're arguing

[22:08:59]

PatrickDK:

I'm saying it will work

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PatrickDK:

as long as the screen doesn't change much

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PatrickDK:

any full screen action is going be choppy

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

it's not

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Dagmar:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33871895

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GreyFoxx:

as of pci rev 2.1 66 mhz is available

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GreyFoxx:

rev 2.0 was 33 only

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Dagmar:

Ayup

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Pasteurized:

hi all

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Dagmar:

Basically, it ain't workin' with old PCI cards

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GreyFoxx:

pci rev 2.1 was release in '95

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GreyFoxx:

oops that reminds me, I haven't test upnp with the xbox since the QT4 port

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: '95 or not, I've seen at least one person in here trying to use an S3 ViRGE card

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GreyFoxx:

hahaha

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PatrickDK:

hey, I use an s3 virge card :)

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a couple of those laying around :)

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PatrickDK:

it's currently in my backend machine

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AlsM1:

heyyy GreyFoxx, what's up

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AlsM1:

you practically live in here

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AlsM1:

:P

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autojack:

I've just rebuilt my Myth box; exact same hardware, just new hard drives. I got X up and running on my LCD monitor, then swapped in my old xorg.conf that works with my TV. I plugged the system into the TV and booted it up. X starts up fine, but I get no display on the TV. any suggestions? I'm using a DVI-HDMI cable into a Sony HDTV.

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autojack:

my video card has both DVI and VGA connectors, and I did my initial setup using the VGA. I wonder if it needs to be told to use the DVI now?

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darkwizzard:

i think i did something wrong

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darkwizzard:

every time i enable opengl i get a black screen

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darkwizzard:

ad wants to reboot

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adante:

what brand card?

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darkwizzard:

nivida

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darkwizzard:

fx 5200

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darkwizzard:

128 mb

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adante:

are you using the connectedmonitor directive?

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darkwizzard:

you mean connectmointor"crt"

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darkwizzard:

Option "TwinView" "0"

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darkwizzard:

Option "TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder" "CRT-0"

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darkwizzard:

Option "metamodes" "1024x768 +0+0; 800x600 +0+0; 640x480 +0+0"

[22:53:50]

darkwizzard:

SubSection "Display"

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darkwizzard:

Depth 24

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Dagmar:

Yay for automatic /ignore on flood

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darkwizzard:

oh

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kormoc:

darkwizzard, you should read the nvidia driver readme, it explains things rather well

[22:57:05]

darkwizzard:

i have

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darkwizzard:

it isn't normal manchine

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kormoc:

why even use twinview/xinerama if you only have one display?

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darkwizzard:

i have worked on 1000's manchines

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darkwizzard:

in my life

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darkwizzard:

this one is not a normal one

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darkwizzard:

i run it threw 2 monitors

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kormoc:

and statements like that are entirely meaningless

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kormoc:

there's no point in bragging in irc

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kormoc:

we really just don't care

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darkwizzard:

i am not

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darkwizzard:

i just saying this one is not a normal

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kormoc:

Sure you are, you haven't said why it's not normal, just we should trust your '1000's of manchines' experience in that it's not normal

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Dagmar:

He said enough stupid things the other day that I put a temp ignore on him

[23:02:08]

Dagmar:

...and seeing you say that just make me glad that he triggered my flood protection today so I didn't have to ignore him manually.

[23:02:20]

Dagmar:

s/make/makes/;

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darkwizzard:

kormoc i mean video is not normal it shouldn't black out like that every 2nd video

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autojack:

aha, I figured out my TV out problem. I had set UseEDID False in my xorg.conf

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autojack:

removing that allows the display to work, but it's fuzzy. like, vibrating up and down?

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iamlindoro__:

Black on the second video = using the openGL video renderer with a broken video driver

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autojack:

any idea what the cause of that could be?

[23:04:55]

autojack:

I'm using the latest nvidia binary drivers.

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iamlindoro__:

autojack: I'm not speaking to you

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Dagmar:

So, this means it's getting the wrong information from EDID.

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directhex:

Dagmar, EDID in "wrong" shocker

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autojack:

iamlindoro__: I know, I was just adding that to my description :)

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Dagmar:

Break out your browser and Google to find out what resolution and rates your display actually supports, and then configure X to do those

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** iamlindoro__ plays Max Payne in a fit of noir retro-ocity **

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autojack:

these are the settings that worked for this display on my last Myth install.

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autojack:

so as far as xorg, they should be OK. I literally copied over the old xorg.conf when I reinstalled the system.

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Dagmar:

autojack: That means you must not actually have a problem anymore. Great! Glad we could help.

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iamlindoro__:

It's times like this I'm proud to be a full time paid MythTV customer support representative.

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Dagmar:

That must pay TONS

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iamlindoro__:

Yes, the executives have put me in charge of expanding the userbase and customer satisfaction.

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directhex:

with a job title like "customer wellness executive", who could say no?

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iamlindoro__:

I take credit for literally ones of MythTV users

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autojack:

so your theory for why, after a software upgrade, my TV output looks weird, is that my TV must have changed? brilliant. I can see why you're paid so much.

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directhex:

your EDID data is probably duff, and nvidia change the format for how to override it in xorg.conf pretty much every driver release

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iamlindoro__:

^^^ What he said, but I would have said something snarky and added that I haven't said anything about your problem.

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iamlindoro__:

Software upgrade = configuration files change

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directhex:

god yes. upgrading my desktop to ubuntu hardy, xorg crashes if i tilt my mouse wheel :|

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AlsM1:

For all of you looking forward to the HD PVR from Hauppauge

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AlsM1:

I found some screenshots .. amazing PQ!!!!

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AlsM1:

http://blogs.snapstream.com/2008/04/07/the-ha . . . -snapstream/

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iamlindoro__:

AlsM1: Anything you can find is oolllllllld news

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iamlindoro__:

we've had our hands on sample video and screenshots for a long time

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AlsM1:

lol.. I'm too slow :|

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AlsM1:

I think I heard about this thing from you iamlindoro

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AlsM1:

its amaaaazing!

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iamlindoro__:

Yes you did, yes it is

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autojack:

directhex: hmm. that sounds like a possibility.

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autojack:

I see that my X log output is telling me that the NoDDC option is deprecated.

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AlsM1:

what is doing the encoding.. it is the HD PVR.. or the machine that its plugged to

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iamlindoro__:

The HD-PVR

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AlsM1:

So I wonder if mythtv is going to support this... seems to good to be true

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iamlindoro__:

You ask every question twice... as Greyfoxx *and* I told you earlier, yes, it will be supported

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AlsM1:

yea sorry, I'm just excited about the product

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kormoc:

AlsM1, there's a pre-released version in the hands of a dev right now, it will be supported, but there isn't gonna be any more said about it until the support is done

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AlsM1:

thanks kormoc

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autojack:

aha! I got it!

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|Torg|:

mostly to record Lost :)

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autojack:

thanks directhex, that was the pointer I needed.

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autojack:

changing from Option NoDDC 1 to Option "ModeValidation" "NoEdidModes" fixed it.

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autojack:

although the image size is a bit too small for my display. it has a .5" black gutter around the edges.

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autojack:

I'll have to look into that.

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AlsM1:

I'm just confused with.. the min sys requirements for the HD PVR says "Processor Requirements (minimum): Dual core CPU" .. but is that under the assumption that your going to be playing the video on the box that its hooked to via the USB? My mythtv server is only a P4 2.4 :(

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|Torg|:

you will need a dual core to play h.264

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Dagmar:

It will do no good.

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AlsM1:

well yea, I'm not playing the vid on the myth server .. so P4 2.4 is fine then right?

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iamlindoro__:

Your frontend will need the power, a low powered backend will be fine

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|Torg|:

not for h264

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AlsM1:

ahh great.. my frontend is core 2 duo

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AlsM1:

thanks :)

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iamlindoro__:

AlsM1: Yes, your backend will be fine.

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Dagmar:

The MPAA is lobbying the FCC to be allowed to enable a flag that will disable the component outputs, so that they can creep it in for every channel like they've crept 5C onto every channel.

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Dagmar:

Basically, component output will soon only be usable for PBS.

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AlsM1:

this unit only does 13.5 MBits /sec.. is that enough for a good 720p signal?

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iamlindoro__:

more than enough

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iamlindoro__:

h.264 is far more efficient than MPEG-2

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|Torg|:

yes 10mbits will do wonderfully and at 5 its still good

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AlsM1:

so this component video.. its better than S-Video?

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iamlindoro__:

Yes.

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|Torg|:

by leaps and bounds

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PatrickDK:

much much better

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AlsM1:

:D

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Dagmar:

...and soon to go away

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AlsM1:

what are you saying Dagmar?

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kormoc:

AlsM1, component allows HD, svideo doesn't

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AlsM1:

ohh .. that's awesome!

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AlsM1:

only 720p

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AlsM1:

or 1080 too?

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|Torg|:

1080P too

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AlsM1:

ooo

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AlsM1:

yea.. I'm pretty pumped

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kormoc:

AlsM1, you know, there's this thing called google and wikipedia, it allows one to look up information in seconds. You should try it sometime

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AlsM1:

fine

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|Torg|:

AlsM1: it not new technology, in fact its analog HD

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|Torg|:

and no analog does not mean lesser

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AlsM1:

alright thanks

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Dagmar:

Every single bit of this is on the wiki

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|Torg|:

avsforum, hdforum, and about 50 other places I can think of tto

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AlsM1:

but I've got like 3 wiki's right here..

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AlsM1:

:P

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|Torg|:

http://www.google.com/search?q=component+video look at the top link

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kormoc:

AlsM1, don't you understand the golden ratio of irc?

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Dagmar:

Think of IRC as a limited resource.

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Dagmar:

We only tolerate so many dumb questions before we ignore you

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AlsM1:

to be honest.. I had this window open so instead of going to wiki I typed something along the lines of .. "1080 too?"

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AlsM1:

that's all I wanted to know

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AlsM1:

I didn't act all the details about component

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AlsM1:

ask*

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AlsM1:

its a 1 word answer

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AlsM1:

yes or no

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iamlindoro__:

So just because it's a short answer you shouldn't make any effort to get it yourself? IRC is a *last* resort, not a first one.

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|Torg|:

then ask a proper quesiton becase not all 1080I is the same

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AlsM1:

you really didn't have to make such a big deal out of this.. thanks anyways

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Dagmar:

Yes, we do.

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kormoc:

AlsM1, welcome to IRC :P

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iamlindoro__:

"Sorry, you're right" would have made you more friends, now you're probably just going to be ignored from now on

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, this channel turns into the same damn 20 questions, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

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iamlindoro__:

Especially when dealing with someone who asks everything twice, seperated by three hours

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Dagmar:

...which is why we *write* the stuff that goes into the wiki.

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AlsM1:

alright.. sorry

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AlsM1:

thanks for ur help.. in the future I'll do research first

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AlsM1:

sorry for wasting your time

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dustybin:

when selecting a film to record, using searches >> films on mythweb, there is no link to go back to the film listing, one has to use the browser to go back a stage

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