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Thursday, May 15th, 2008, 00:02 UTC

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tgm4883_laptop:

is there any way to disable live tv from a frontend (or altogether)?

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tgm4883_laptop:

sorry, in MythTV .21

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Anduin:

tgm4883_laptop: You can edit the menu, the DVR theme "hides" it as well

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Anduin:

(edit the xml)

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pat_:

if there is no other way you could feasibly do what he just said

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pat_:

(I was half way through typing it and said stuff it, I'll finish it anyway)

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Anduin:

tgm4883_laptop: mainmenu.xml, you can put the edited one in ~/.mythtv

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tgm4883_laptop:

ok so hiding is the only option then. Sounds like I need to do it

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tgm4883_laptop:

I have a problem where people like to leave live tv going overnight

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Anduin:

Yeah, so far, eventually hiding things will be easier (without editing xml)

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tgm4883_laptop:

so it's either disable it or fit those people with shock collars

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pat_:

shock collars is an attractive option

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tgm4883_laptop:

those things hurt :(

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** tgm4883_laptop tested one out on his arm **

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rushfan:

Mythtv is complaining that its already using all the available inputs but nothing is being recorded.

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rushfan:

Or if it is it isnt showing up in the Delete Recordings menu

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rushfan:

mythbackend also isnt using any CPU meanning nothing is probably being recorded

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rushfan:

interestingly enough I can disconnect the device and mythtv still says its using it

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Anduin:

rushfan: look at the backend log, no need to guess

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rushfan:

Anduin: I did look

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rushfan:

it siad nothing

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rushfan:

Ive got the problem though. My cat6 cable was dead. Hardware failure.

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rushfan:

Thanks though

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rushfan:

No that didnt solve it apparently :(

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rushfan:

There we go, I reset the device and mythbackend. All isw ell

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Maxt3r:

im installing a backend on my server, shall i really need 2 install xorg 2 get myth-setup

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Maxt3r:

so thats is lame

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Dagmar:

Lame is not knowing about ssh tunneling.

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GreyFoxx:

Max: You will need the X client libs at least

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Maxt3r:

i have apt-get install mythtv-backend on my server, shall i need more ?

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esotericisms:

what is the perl repair script to fix the database to it pulls back in all video information from the records directories

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Anduin:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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esotericisms:

thanks

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mikeones:

I have some avi's from my Nikon camera and I want to make a poster for mythvideo cover. Anyone know what can be used?

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Dagmar:

Gimp

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Anduin:

mikeones: there have been a few scripts set to the ml that use mplayer etc

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mikeones:

Anduin: where can I find them?

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Maxt3r:

when i ran mythbackend on my server i got error my database not running, how do i start that

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mikeones:

I see, mailing list... I will look around

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Anduin:

Maxt3r: How you start mysql varies

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Maxt3r:

Anduin, mythbackend says it cannot find database

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Maxt3r:

i have apt-get install mysql-servers

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Dagmar:

You're installing this on what?

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Maxt3r:

debian

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Maxt3r:

my server

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Dagmar:

So, there is ample documentation online about that

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch for one

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Dagmar:

...and http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

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Maxt3r:

k

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darkwizzard:

can anyone tell me were i find on hard drive .lircrc?

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shiznix:

darkwizzard: you usually create the file yourself and stick it in your user's home directory

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Anduin:

darkwizzard: usually ~/ (MythTV doesn't use it though)

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Anduin:

(or may not, 0.21 will find it)

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shiznix:

there are some examples in mythtv's contrib/ directory

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shiznix:

iirc, myth uses the same file, but expects it to be in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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darkwizzard:

i have one there

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darkwizzard:

i was tring to get lircrc to kill mame

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darkwizzard:

some reason it will not work

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darkwizzard:

do i mod the one in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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darkwizzard:

?

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Anduin:

darkwizzard: the one in ~/.mythtv/lircrc is used only by myth (though most people symlink to get both locations)

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darkwizzard:

anduin?

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darkwizzard:

huh?

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darkwizzard:

i am still learning linux

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Anduin:

darkwizzard: myth has no kill command in lirc processing, I assumed you wanted a shared lircrc config

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darkwizzard:

yeah

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darkwizzard:

but how

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darkwizzard:

can i do program Mythtv button tv power configure = killall mame

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Anduin:

darkwizzard: No, but you can have another program listen for lirc events and do that

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mzb_d800:

irexec

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darkwizzard:

hmm okay well i just need to figure out how to do that

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Anduin:

what mzb_d800 said, many examples out there

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Dagmar:

Good thing there's documentation

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CRXLPY:

how would I id the hdwr decode chip(or lack thereof) on my capture card

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Anduin:

CRXLPY: the numbers on the plastic help, you can also look at the PCI id and see if someone has info on it

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CRXLPY:

saa7130

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mzb_d800:

darkwizzard: eg: http://www.pastebin.sk/en/6587/ (probably a bad example)

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Maxt3r:

omg mythtv and mysql i hard 2 find out, i hate databases

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mzb_d800:

where ir_xmit.sh is my custom script that does "magical things" ... yours (for eg) might kill mame;)

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Anduin:

CRXLPY: the saa7134 module supposedly, usually googling your card will work

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CRXLPY:

Anduin I know what kernel module to use that isnt what I asked

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esotericisms:

I just go done re-installing mythtv

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esotericisms:

now I am getting an error that the frontend cannot connect into the backend

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esotericisms:

but the backend is running

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esotericisms:

any ideas?

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wagner:

are you running them on different machines?

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Dagmar:

I guess he has to look and see

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wagner:

http://www.bash.org/?5273

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TalibJayid:

hi

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TalibJayid:

anyone using myth with f9's X and nvidia?

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wagner:

f9?

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esotericisms:

wagner: , sorry no

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esotericisms:

got distracted

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esotericisms:

SELinux is off

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esotericisms:

iptables are off

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esotericisms:

same machine

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esotericisms:

ip 192.168.1.210

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TalibJayid:

wagner: the one after f8

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esotericisms:

thats what is in the mythtv-setup

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wagner:

talibjayid: you mean youre running X on a virtual terminal bound to 'f9'?

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TalibJayid:

fedora 9, dude

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Dagmar:

esotericisms: If you're using just one machine, use 127.0.0.1 or more usefully _localhost_ in the settings

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wagner:

loopback vs. a full network card makes a noticeable difference?

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Dagmar:

loopback != localhost

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Dagmar:

"localhost" has special meaning to mysql for one thing

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wagner:

well the database access may not be correct, but it should complain about that rather than not accessing the backend if that were the problem

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Anduin:

TalibJayid: it is possible, with the beta drivers and -ignoreABI to the X server, I wouldn't recommend it

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TalibJayid:

Anduin: no, im in X now with that flag

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TalibJayid:

youtube videos, etc play fine but mythtv playback is not so good

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Anduin:

TalibJayid: offset?

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TalibJayid:

how do you mean?

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TalibJayid:

the video playback is just very jumpy

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Anduin:

compiz?

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TalibJayid:

i uninstalled that because glx is broken in this driver

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esotericisms:

Dagmar: that didn't work

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esotericisms:

still can't connect

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esotericisms:

mythweb states: Unable to connect to the master backend at 127.0.0.1:6543. Is it running?

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Anduin:

Yeah, just checking, I don't see that problem (I do see problems with fullscreen apps like compiz introduced though)

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esotericisms:

hrm I can't telnet to the port either

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Dagmar:

So use `netstat -tunap | grep mythbackend` to see where it's listening

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Dagmar:

I'm figuring you failed to properly configure the backend.

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esotericisms:

Dagmar: I think I found the problem ...

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esotericisms:

my backend is logging questions

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esotericisms:

as in database connections and such

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Dagmar:

Yeah, that's too much work for any one backend to do.

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esotericisms:

okay I go it but it looks like I typo'd my datbase password

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esotericisms:

where do I change my backend information

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Dagmar:

The same place you set it originally.

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esotericisms:

where is that, I typed mythbackend on the command line and it prompted me

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esotericisms:

and what is weird is that it connects just fine when ran from the terminal but when run as a service it can't connect

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esotericisms:

please, its been a long day trying to get my system set back up

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Dagmar:

There's documentation that tells you how to set things up, and nowhere in it does it say "run mythbackend directly to configure it"

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Anduin:

esotericisms: terminal vs service is usually config file location (or no HOME but assuming you didn't write the service script)

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esotericisms:

okay sorry, shoot me, just asking for a little help, its been a long day ...

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TalibJayid:

Anduin: can you help me plz

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Dagmar:

Snark gets you nothing

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TalibJayid:

oh i fixed it

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TalibJayid:

i had to change the output to "standard" from "libmpeg2"

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esotericisms:

Dagmar: feel like pointing me to this documentation?

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Anduin:

TalibJayid: I don't know what is wrong, it works for me (sorta). If you mythfrontend -v playback do you see anything helpful?

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TalibJayid:

Anduin: you are using nvidia driver with f9?

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Anduin:

TalibJayid: Yes

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TalibJayid:

k

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TalibJayid:

i wonder when we will get glx support

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Anduin:

usually takes a few days, sometimes a week or two

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Anduin:

(libmpeg2 playback also works fine for me)

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esotericisms:

so basically I re-installed and restored my database

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TalibJayid:

hmm

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esotericisms:

but I can't get things up and running

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pat_:

esotericisms: have you tried mythtv-setup?

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esotericisms:

yeah

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esotericisms:

I am getting some weird logs from my backend

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esotericisms:

http://pastebin.ca/1018643

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Anduin:

esotericisms: are those weird looking settings correct? (they are the defaults, really it isn't finding the config file)

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esotericisms:

hrm the config file exists /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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esotericisms:

how can I make sure it looks there?

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Anduin:

esotericisms: who knows? Your service script could do something, or it could just assume you are going to put it in the system location

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pat_:

esotericisms: what distribution are you using, are you installing from packages, which guide do you follow?

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esotericisms:

fedora

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esotericisms:

mythtvology

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esotericisms:

wilsonet.com

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esotericisms:

this isn't making any sense, I have followed this guide several times before

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esotericisms:

never ran into this problem

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esotericisms:

screwit I will just change the damn password

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Dagmar:

This is where petulantly refusing to locate the installation howto and just use it as a checklist hurts one, badly.

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esotericisms:

I fot it

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esotericisms:

i got it

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esotericisms:

I just set the db password to the default for now

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esotericisms:

its been a long day, I wasn't refusing just asking for a little nudge in the right direction because I kept coming up with a different article,

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esotericisms:

I thought that it might have changed how you configure

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esotericisms:

I knew about mythtv-setup and all

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esotericisms:

another question, if you run myth.rebuildatabase.pl on mp2 that already are in the db what happens? does it ignore it?

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esotericisms:

did you get my last question?

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Anduin:

Yes, I don't remember, try it (it probably does the right thing)

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esotericisms:

lets hope

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esotericisms:

is there any way I can get old guide data?

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esotericisms:

Anduin: is there a way I can get old guide data?

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Lexridge:

is there anyway to control the amount of time mythtv will jump forward and backward?

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Anduin:

esotericisms: No, unless you have a backup

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Anduin:

Lexridge: Yes, in the playback profile

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Lexridge:

Anduin: where is that located?

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esotericisms:

damnit, so I have to manually assign information for each recording that I am adding back in ... wow that sucks

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Anduin:

Lexridge: Settings -> TV -> Playback profiles (or something like that, not near a myth box for once)

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Lexridge:

esotericisms: you certainly cannot record something that has already passed.

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Lexridge:

Anduin: thanks man

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Lexridge:

esotericisms: what are you wanting to do?

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Anduin:

import his old recordings, having old data can save typing

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Lexridge:

doesn't the data get refreshed every 14 days anyway?

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esotericisms:

Lexridge: I lost my database and my current back

[03:31:58]

esotericisms:

I had to restore from a 5 month old backup

[03:32:15]

Lexridge:

so it is impossible to see you old recorded programs in this case?

[03:32:16]

esotericisms:

I was hoping that there would be some way I could download the guide data since the beginning of 2008

[03:32:33]

Lexridge:

it's a shame the mime data cannot be attached to the video file.

[03:32:49]

Lexridge:

In the broadcast world, it is.

[03:33:00]

esotericisms:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl will insert them back in and it will check the guide data for correlating entry and such but I don't have the guide data

[03:33:02]

Lexridge:

I has assumed it was as well in mythtv.

[03:33:14]

Lexridge:

ic

[03:33:42]

Lexridge:

that does suck. The mime data should be included in the header of the video file.

[03:33:58]

Lexridge:

That is the way FastChannel does it anyway.

[03:34:42]

Lexridge:

sorry for my ignorance....I am a myth newbie

[03:34:56]

Lexridge:

...and still fighting several issues myself.

[03:35:09]

esotericisms:

well welcome

[03:35:09]

Lexridge:

however, I am using it presently and love the basic features.

[03:35:13]

Lexridge:

thx

[03:35:34]

esotericisms:

I think I will just mail the list and see if anyone lives in my area that I can get a db from

[03:35:55]

Lexridge:

I'm still mainly fighting lirc transmissions problems. Receiving works, but I don't need it. :(

[03:36:55]

Lexridge:

however, I am using a HVR1600 and the drivers are still pretty beta. I hope it gets worked out. ivtv never reports it finds an ir-blaster.

[03:37:45]

Lexridge:

I have access to a few Vela Cine cards, but I doubt anything from Vela would be supported.

[03:42:09]

Lexridge:

Has anyone noticed it is taking an exceptionally long time to download guide data? Today, it took almost 3 hours to get it all. WOW!

[03:42:23]

esotericisms:

ah yeah that sucks

[03:42:30]

Lexridge:

and I have a broadband connection!!

[03:42:55]

esotericisms:

well good night

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psm321:

hi

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Lexridge:

cya esotericisms

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psm321:

anyone know how to get in-kernel-tree (but compiled as module) ivtv to give verbose output like the old out of tree ones did?

[03:44:46]

Dagmar:

lexridge: Don't worry about it. In the future we'll likely be categorizing traffic like that as high-latency, reliable priority traffic and it'll make the internet a better place.

[03:44:51]

MinDKrime:

any try fedora 9 yet?

[03:45:30]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Great! Are you involved with this?

[03:45:45]

MinDKrime:

I have to restart network after reboot to get it working :(

[03:46:31]

Lexridge:

MinDKrime: Downloaded it today, but have not yet installed it. I like to wait for all the bug reports before commiting to something like this.

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Lexridge:

MinDKrime: I just installed Fedora 8 for the first time two weeks ago. :/

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psm321:

answering myself: modprobe with debug=1 ... output isnt as nicely formatted as it used to be but its there

[03:47:55]

MinDKrime:

:)

[03:48:28]

MinDKrime:

yea I was excited reading the hype and now have a few issues

[03:48:41]

EnderTheThird:

This just in: sweet potatoes are amazing!

[03:48:43]

Lexridge:

MinDKrime: Sounds like a netcard driver issue to me

[03:48:54]

MinDKrime:

back to centos for now...maybe run it in vm

[03:49:07]

Lexridge:

MinDKrime: Probably a good idea.

[03:49:12]

MinDKrime:

:)

[03:49:37]

Lexridge:

initial fedora releases are generally fscked up.

[03:49:51]

Lexridge:

but the certainly get it fixed within a few weeks!

[03:50:00]

MinDKrime:

<--typing on iPod touch on free wireless so I am slow

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MinDKrime:

I hope

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EnderTheThird:

You guys had any trouble with nfs shares in Ubuntu since recent updates?

[03:50:47]

MinDKrime:

don't use it sorry

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EnderTheThird:

Thanks.

[03:51:40]

EnderTheThird:

Maybe I'll just try samba instead.

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fryfrog:

EnderTheThird: my nfs share has been fine since updating to 8.04 last night

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EnderTheThird:

fryfrog: hmmm, mine just pooped out on me for some reason.

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EnderTheThird:

telling me "mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'rpcbind' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered"

[03:59:01]

Lexridge:

Anduin: Playback profiles did the trick. Thanks man! :)

[04:00:02]

Lexridge:

Anduin: Is this global or local?

[04:02:24]

Maxt3r:

i getting Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) all the time, have tried alot, really need help what can i do

[04:02:34]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Have you guys considered using something not unlike bittorrent to distribute data? It would sure ease the load on your servers.

[04:03:30]

Maxt3r:

i get it when i run mythbackend

[04:03:36]

EnderTheThird:

Is 'netperf' accurate as far as LAN performance?

[04:03:45]

mikeones:

yes

[04:04:08]

EnderTheThird:

mikeones: that answer to me?

[04:04:21]

Lexridge:

Max3r: Have you tried using mysql-administrator? It eased many of my mysql problems.

[04:04:50]

Maxt3r:

Lexridge, whats is that

[04:05:20]

Lexridge:

Max3r: It's a GUI that allows you to administor the users, and permissions of those users.

[04:05:51]

Maxt3r:

Lexridge, okay i will see on it

[04:06:12]

Lexridge:

Max3r: I was stuck for hours until I downloaded it. It gives a nice visual representation of who has permissions to what.

[04:06:50]

Maxt3r:

have stuck for some hours now, i hate databases

[04:07:08]

Lexridge:

Max3r: I am a PostgreSQL person myself. MySQL was a bit confusing at first, but MySQL-Admin helped a lot.

[04:07:34]

mikeones:

EnderTheThird: what does "netperf -f M" give you?

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EnderTheThird:

mikeones: 1566 Mbit

[04:09:07]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: If you are considering this, I have a ton of bandwidth I may be able to contribute for the cause.

[04:09:17]

EnderTheThird:

I'm just curious because when I "netperf -H <ip>" for my media server, I get 25 Mbit at most

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Maxt3r:

Lexridge, shall i use my browser 2 see this admin thing

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Maxt3r:

Lexridge, i have it installed

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Dude, it would be a waste

[04:11:11]

Dagmar:

Think this through.

[04:11:20]

Dagmar:

The guide data is gathered fourteen days in advance

[04:11:22]

Lexridge:

Maxt3r: It is a stand along application, that can connect to mysql over the network.

[04:11:37]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Okay.

[04:11:43]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Why?

[04:11:50]

Dagmar:

It's practically a poster child for the type of data transfer that could stand to take two hours to complete

[04:12:10]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Are you compressing the data, or not?

[04:12:23]

Dagmar:

This is a drastically different thing than a web page, where someone is sitting there, waiting on it, or a VOIP connection where latency is even more critical

[04:12:36]

EnderTheThird:

mikeones: but when I do the same from my media server to my desktop, I get ~95 Mbit. I'm trying to figure out if my router or cable is giving me bad speed or something.

[04:12:38]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Yea, I realize that.

[04:12:49]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: it's not a matter of compression as much as it is a matter of managing the peaks and valleys of network traffic.

[04:13:31]

Dagmar:

Dig more into traffic-shaping and QoS and you'll become a lot more relaxed about how long some background transfer that's not really time-dependent takes.

[04:13:38]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: ARe you distribution in a text format, or a mysql format? Perhaps if you using text, mythfilldatabase could be written to import data instead.

[04:13:52]

Dagmar:

Okay, now I'm confused as to wtf you're talking about

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mikeones:

EnderTheThird: "netperf -f M" is MBytes/sec

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: Well, not knowing your bandwidth requirements, having worked with PostgreSQL for many years, I can transfer back ups to a remote server (1 GB uncompressed, about 66MB compressed) in a few minutes.)

[04:15:38]

EnderTheThird:

mikeones: yeah, but if I set the target as something in my LAN, I'm getting ~4 MBytes/sec then. When I ran that command you told me the first time, I did it to localhost because I'm an idiot, ha.

[04:16:03]

EnderTheThird:

mikeones: Helps when I check the help info to actually see how to use the commands people tell me :)

[04:16:07]

mikeones:

That is supposed to test to the nic only

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mikeones:

I get ~12MB on my 100 meg network

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: good for you

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mikeones:

EnderTheThird: may want to check in ##networking for advice

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Dagmar:

What's it got to do with whether or not it's necessary to complain if the mythfilldatabase data pull goes slowly?

[04:17:07]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Okay, thanks for the attitude. I was just offering a 1GB connection to try and help you guys, but nevermind.

[04:17:20]

Dagmar:

Dude, chill.

[04:17:32]

Dagmar:

Somewhere, this went completely off the rails.

[04:17:41]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Apparently. sorry dude.

[04:17:55]

EnderTheThird:

mikeones: maybe. I tried a new cable last night and it didn't make a difference. The thing that boggles my mind is that if i do the same command from my media server to my desktop, I get the expected ~100 Mbit

[04:17:59]

Dagmar:

...and using Bittorrent isn't likely to do a damn bit of good, btw

[04:18:24]

Dagmar:

I ain't anything but a "customer" of SD, but I know my stuff.

[04:18:32]

EnderTheThird:

Lexridge: You could always offer me a 1 GB connection :)

[04:18:35]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: I never suggested using bittorrent. Just a technology that would pull from multiple server, instead of just one.

[04:19:03]

Dagmar:

I really wish it *would* help tho, it's just not a problem swarming distribution is going to help with, since the information being shipped to people is pretty much unique for each user

[04:19:16]

Dagmar:

It's not even a *lot* of data

[04:19:20]

mikeones:

EnderTheThird: you could fire up wireshark and check whats going on

[04:19:42]

Dagmar:

I figure the main issue is probably either a) database load, or b) hefty bandwidth throttling (which is something personally, I'd be doing)

[04:20:03]

EnderTheThird:

mikeones: better yet, i could read to figure out what that does, and then fire it up, heh

[04:20:29]

Dagmar:

Considering I have a half-dozen things in my house that pull data on their own at various intervals, I actually have some overkill QoS set up here. Heh

[04:20:31]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: This is true. I guess I had not really considered that you are covering listing world-wide. How much HD space does it take to store all that data?

[04:20:56]

Dagmar:

I don't want the windows machines and the playstation deciding to up and get 500Mb of data at once through my cablemodem when I'm doing Black Temple in WoW or somethign

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Dunno. We can probably extrapolate, but I think if you lurk until xris shows up, he can probably cite some ballpark figure since he *does* work for Sd

[04:21:36]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Surely you do not store program information more than once.?.? I would think you simply reference it.

[04:22:01]

Dagmar:

Last I heard data was still being pulled from TMS servers and they were getting a connection to basically replicate it over to SD's stuff

[04:22:03]

Maxt3r:

Lexridge, i cant connet 2 my mysql server

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Dagmar:

I don't know if they got that completed yet or not

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Maxt3r:

Lexridge, trough mysql-admin

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Well, there's a LOT of cable networks, and none of them seem to be terribly interested in using any kind of uniform data format that I'm aware of, so one of the reasons Zap2it/TMS is useful is that they're aggregating and _cleaning up_ all that data so that some progress towards 3NF can be made

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Lexridge:

Max3r: You are now running mysql-admin, and it will not connect? Check the ports, and un:pw. Also, if you are accessing remotely, make sure your firewall allows it.

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: So you guys are actually hand editing data....holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!

[04:24:33]

Dagmar:

Lexidge: Again, _I'm_ not. I know some of these things for sure from talking with xris (and other people I know elsewhere engaged in this sort of thing)

[04:24:44]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: I work for a CBS affiliate, and send our programming data electronically to TV Guide, Dish Network, and several others services......but only 4 week at a time.

[04:24:47]

Dagmar:

TMS/Zap2it is definitely manually sanitizing a lot of stuff tho

[04:25:17]

Dagmar:

'dis is why we've got EP numbers on a lot of stuff now

[04:25:22]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: impressive. There has got to be a way to automate this.

[04:25:35]

Dagmar:

...like, unique EP numbers that are pretty obviously being generated by TMS/Zap2ot

[04:26:16]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: if such a thing were possible, Google would be reading Usenet and spidering the web into a massive AI that would subsequently write it's name on the surface of the moon

[04:26:23]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: I'm not sure what EP numbers are.....

[04:26:42]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: LOL, this is probably true!! :)

[04:26:42]

Dagmar:

Look at the program info for a given show and you'll see this long-assed like fifteen digit number

[04:26:57]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: I';ve noticed.

[04:27:30]

Dagmar:

That's massive enough that I'm pretty sure it was someone's idea of what can encompass every program that mattered ever shown until some point in the future when we'll all be transferring this stuff over IPv6

[04:27:46]

Dagmar:

No single network is likely to have been the source of those

[04:27:54]

Dagmar:

er no single _broadcaster_ network anyway

[04:28:02]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Are you using mysql to manage your entire database?

[04:28:05]

Dagmar:

Hence, I'm pretty sure Zap2it/TMS is creating those

[04:28:08]

Dagmar:

Me? Yeah

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Lexridge:

yea

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Dagmar:

This is one of the few open-source apps that uses MySQl that really, really needs to be using MySQL

[04:28:59]

Dagmar:

I see tons of crap (particularly people's idiotic blogs) that use MySQL in a manner that is such overkill it is akin to using a chainsaw to cut a loose thread.

[04:29:29]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: LOL. I'm sure you guys have your good reasons, but there are faster databases, and better data transfer methods, however they are not free.

[04:29:44]

Dagmar:

Again, I am not a part of this "you guys" thing you keep mentioning. heh

[04:29:51]

Dagmar:

I am just a user with a lot of know-redge

[04:30:00]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: end the data transcoding could be a nightmare.

[04:30:02]

psm321:

how can i get myth to assign cardid starting from 1 again? clearing all cards didnt seem to do that

[04:30:16]

Lexridge:

end=and

[04:30:33]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Okay, understood. Sorry for the assumption.

[04:30:41]

psm321:

alternatively, is there anywhere other than capturecard and cardinput that i would have to change it in the db if i wanted to do it manually?

[04:30:44]

Dagmar:

psm321: Using mythtv-setup to nuke all card data _should_ actually fix that, but if it doesn't you shoudl be assessing why you're trying to do that

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psm321:

Dagmar: it didnt seem to do that... the reason i want is that i'm mucking with my whole tuner setup (and failed to save a full db backup before doing so, so i cant revert and change it the right way now)

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psm321:

i actually wanted to trick myth initially into reserving a cardid for a card that doesnt exist anymore for stupid (psychological... i dont want cardids changing around on me) reasons

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Dagmar:

Well, you can always dump the tables that "look good" and go look at them

[04:33:30]

Dagmar:

The card tables themselves aren't very big.

[04:33:51]

Dagmar:

It'll be obvious if you're looking at tables pertaining to programming schedules or cutlists

[04:34:02]

Dagmar:

Then once you've found what you want you can manually set things the way you want them

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psm321:

yeah i actually imported my last backup into a separate db for reference purposes... i'm just afraid i'll miss something if i start manually transplanting things

[04:34:24]

Dagmar:

Well, for *this* you make a backup. ;)

[04:34:27]

Lexridge:

Maxt3r: did you get connected?

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psm321:

which is why i was asking if cardid was referenced anywhere else... was going to try mucking manually :)

[04:35:36]

Lexridge:

psm321: you have to delete all named cards, it will then reset. Then, you should be able to make the new card access the already stored programming material.

[04:35:58]

Lexridge:

psm321: At least this worked for me.

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psm321:

Lexridge: i couldve sworn i did that last time but yeah this time nuking them does seem to have reset the ids

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psm321:

now, is there a right way to do the stupid pointless thing i want to do? (skip over a cardid completely, so i only have cardids 1,3,4,5,6)

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Lexridge:

psm321: now that, I do not know.

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psm321:

k

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Anduin:

you can change them manually, the id comes from the table (so you can change the auto inc value)

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Lexridge:

psm321: if you have a mysql database mgmt program, I think you would have to do it there.

[04:38:22]

Lexridge:

psm321: mythtv probably cannot do this on its own

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psm321:

k

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psm321:

thx

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CCFL_Man2:

damn stb won't scan in a multiplex with the first virtual channel encrypted

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psm321:

alright, lets see if this works :)

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Lexridge:

psm321: good luck

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psm321:

well, the priorities are acting a bit weird (its scheduling shows on the card with the lowest priority when it could be using other cards) but overall looks ok

[04:44:03]

Lexridge:

psm321: well, it's a good start anyway. shrug.

[04:44:36]

psm321:

yeah

[04:44:53]

Lexridge:

I have a good question. I generally use MythTV in my garage connected to a server in my LR. However, I use my garge computer mostly for multitrack audio recording using jack and qtractor. I have compiled mythtv with jack support, but cannot figure out how to activate it.

[04:45:08]

EnderTheThird:

completely unrelated here, but is there anyway to restart just the flash stuff for firefox without restarting X? I keep getting gray boxes where Flash content should be

[04:45:32]

psm321:

anyone know why 'y' might not cycle all tuners in watch tv anymore? (this is not new with my change right now... been having this problem since my upgrade a few weeks ago)

[04:46:24]

Lexridge:

EnderTheThird: If running KDE, just do a ctl+alt+esc. It will give you a crossbones mouse cursor. Kill firefox with it. When restarting, it will ask to restore the last session...answer yes.

[04:47:20]

Lexridge:

psm321: I've had the same problem, and it seems to just fix itself with some random tweaking....dunno why.

[04:47:30]

EnderTheThird:

Lexridge: thanks. I just realized restarting firefox worked. I was thinking of when my sound used to go out and I had to restart all of X. Killing firefox alone works. I'm an idiot, but thanks.

[04:48:01]

Lexridge:

EnderTheThird: just glad to help

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Anduin:

psm321: it used to map to NEXTCARD it is now NEXTSOURCE

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rsc-232:

anyone here familiar with mpeg2 hardware tv tuners?

[04:49:17]

EnderTheThird:

rsc-232: I have a Hauppauge PVR 500...

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Lexridge:

rsc-232: I have a HVR1600

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psm321:

Anduin: i have both NEXTSOURCE and VIEWCARD set to 'Y'

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rsc-232:

i have AverMedia M150

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rsc-232:

i cant get the svideo in port to work can someoen help me?

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psm321:

Anduin: oh i see what youre saying... NEXTSOURCE will only cycle between 'sources'? that explains why it cycles 2 cards

[04:50:55]

EnderTheThird:

I've never tried. Don't have anything to capture with s-video, heh.

[04:50:59]

Lexridge:

rsc-232: You have to select it within the inputs section of mythtv. You can test it with vlc. Just set to either channel 1 or 2 with vlc.

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psm321:

Anduin: can I just change it to NEXTCARD?

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rsc-232:

Lexridge: i tried

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rsc-232:

all i get is a black blank screen

[04:51:36]

Lexridge:

rsc-232: are you sure there is video on your s/v cable?

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Anduin:

psm321: If you want the old behavior, yes.

[04:52:25]

Lexridge:

rsc-232: some units do not output composite and component without a menu change.

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psm321:

Anduin: thanks! this has been bugging me for quite a while :)

[04:53:13]

xris:

Lexridge: SD question?

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psm321:

btw, had the scheduler speed been improved lately or is it really just my faster hardware? (upgraded myth and hw at the same time)

[04:53:25]

Anduin:

psm321: Yeah, I don't think it made the release notes but comes up on the mailing list occasionally.

[04:53:28]

rsc-232:

Lexridge yes im sure

[04:53:35]

rsc-232:

can you talk in pm

[04:53:49]

rsc-232:

its too oconfusing when people are asking questions at once

[04:54:08]

Lexridge:

xris: SD? Oh, you are the one Dagmar told me to speak with.

[04:54:09]

Anduin:

psm321: It was changed a bit for multirec so multirec would be about as fast

[04:54:13]

xris:

y

[04:54:38]

psm321:

Anduin: cool... my reschedules went from being around 2 mins to around 20 secs (i dont do multirec tho)

[04:54:51]

rsc-232:

how can i launch svideo input using VVLC?

[04:54:52]

rsc-232:

VLC

[04:55:14]

Lexridge:

xris: I was just wondering if there was a way to multi-server distribute guide data. After our conversation, I realised the method was simply not due-able without ample software developement.

[04:55:31]

xris:

can't do anything until SD hosts the data ourselves

[04:55:35]

psm321:

Anduin: one more thing... can i get it to show the cardid when i switch with NEXTCARD like it used to?

[04:55:44]

xris:

and even then, TMS would never license it in such a way that we could.

[04:55:52]

psm321:

Anduin: right now i have to look in the backend log

[04:56:17]

rsc-232:

Lexridge: any idea?

[04:56:56]

Lexridge:

xris: I would like to chat with you on this subject, but privately. Perhaps next week. Please email me at jhines at wdtv dot com sometime this weekend.

[04:57:20]

Lexridge:

rsc-232: and you have tried this with vlc?

[04:57:24]

xris:

Lexridge: there was a lot of talk on the -users list from june/july of last year when we found out about z2l going away... most of it just isn't feasible because of how people use the data.

[04:58:16]

Anduin:

psm321: you don't see the card id in the OSD (id: name)?

[04:58:37]

Lexridge:

xris: However, do you realize that most programming data is distrubited from the local/cable stations via an xls file? You know this field much better than I do. I simply work around and design the database for it.......

[04:58:50]

psm321:

Anduin: nope, only when i initially go into watch tv, not when switching cards

[04:59:03]

psm321:

Anduin: used to see it when switching

[04:59:08]

Lexridge:

xris: at least on the local level....but we simply follow the design of the big boys.

[04:59:26]

xris:

Lexridge: some of it, yes. but not others.. and half of the people at the tv stations don't know anything about it (I traded a few emails with a programming director of one of our local network affiliates)

[04:59:37]

xris:

she said she got her info from TMS

[04:59:41]

clever:

xris: what about looking into getting some of the data directly from the cable stations, for those that offer it for free?

[04:59:50]

Anduin:

psm321: if there are no other inputs you can cheat and just hit C

[04:59:52]

CCFL_Man2:

with c band, why does one stransponder come in strong but another on the same bird comes in weak?

[04:59:58]

xris:

it's a HUGE complex mess, and TMS adds a lot of extra data to their feed — more so than even the networks provide.

[05:00:00]

clever:

only problem would be spliting the data between sd servers and tms servers

[05:00:22]

Lexridge:

xris: Yea, you are talking to the programming director, when you should be talking to the IT manager.

[05:00:46]

Lexridge:

xris: The IT mgr is the guy that makes all this compatible.

[05:00:48]

xris:

Lexridge: probably, yes. but imagine trying to get in touch with every one from every TV station in the US and Canada.

[05:00:57]

Lexridge:

xirs: point taken!

[05:01:04]

Dagmar:

hehehe

[05:01:12]

clever:

yeah that would be alot of work

[05:01:13]

xris:

but the programming director (and associated other PHBs) is the one who has the authorization to release that info to a group like SD.

[05:01:18]

xris:

TMS pays a lot of stations for their info.

[05:01:19]

clever:

right now your just pushing tms to do that:P

[05:01:34]

rsc-232:

Lexridge: im trying to open the Svideo input using VLC

[05:01:37]

rsc-232:

how do i do this?

[05:02:29]

CCFL_Man2:

transponder 2 comesin strong but transponder 8 is weak

[05:02:34]

Lexridge:

rsc-232: goto advanced options on a stream load. choose channel 1 or 2

[05:02:39]

xris:

Lexridge: however, if you work for a TV station, I'd *love* to talk in more length with you about this. Anything we can do to get more information would be helpful, and my only other "inside" contact (IT guy for a local PBS station) never panned out — the guy who was supposed to introduce us never wrote back.

[05:02:42]

CCFL_Man2:

that i don't understand

[05:02:45]

Lexridge:

xris: Who exactly is TMS?

[05:02:54]

xris:

Lexridge: tribune media services

[05:02:55]

rsc-232:

Lexridge: or /dev/video0

[05:02:58]

rsc-232:

or /dev/video?

[05:03:10]

xris:

branch of tribune corp, owns newspapers, tv affiliates, baseball teams, etc, etc.

[05:03:25]

Lexridge:

xris: contact me. You have my email. Our webpage is www.wdtv.com. I am legit.

[05:03:55]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: you work for a local pbs station?

[05:04:04]

Lexridge:

xris: I am a linux advacate! I want to help anyway I can. I want to see Linux kill windows!!!

[05:04:17]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: no, a CBS affiliate.

[05:04:22]

xris:

CCFL_Man2: CBS, apparently

[05:04:28]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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rsc-232:

Lexridge; on VLC

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CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: is the national cbs feed unencrypted?

[05:04:47]

Lexridge:

rsc-232: yes

[05:04:52]

rsc-232:

i get V4l Demuxing error: Failed capturing new frame

[05:04:53]

Lexridge:

nope

[05:05:15]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: dcII authorization required?

[05:05:35]

xris:

Lexridge: I'll send you an email in a bit — need to think of what to say. :)

[05:05:40]

Lexridge:

rsc-232: Search for a VLC howto. I'm not sure at this point.

[05:05:57]

EnderTheThird:

Any idea what output I should be using in Myth if I'm using Pulse Audio?

[05:06:20]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: we receive everything in HD and down convert. I don't deal too much with that end of it.

[05:06:30]

xris:

Lexridge: sounds like fun. :)

[05:06:47]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: what bird and transponder do you receive it from?

[05:07:07]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: I was authorized last week to spend 1.1 million on a full HD upgrade for both WDTV and WVFX, not including transmitters. That will be fun!!!

[05:07:30]

CCFL_Man2:

it wil be extremely fun

[05:07:58]

CCFL_Man2:

i want the national first generation network feeds

[05:08:10]

CCFL_Man2:

none of this local station crap

[05:08:17]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: Like I said, I'm not associated with that end. That falls under Engineering, not IT. However, once we upgrade to full HD, it will mostly fall under IT.

[05:08:31]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh

[05:08:36]

rsc-232:

anyone have any ideas?

[05:08:39]

psm321:

hmm, i really should clean up all my hacks and submit them as patches so i dont have to mess with source every time i change soemthing :) (just had to recompile to include new card in my hack for giving pvr-350 and pvr-500 different default profiles)

[05:09:39]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: Since we upgraded our newsroom to all jvc 5100 with f/w hdds, and MAC FCP systems, engineering never enters news anymore.....I do. :(

[05:10:14]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: i'm in the process of building my own private digital cable system

[05:10:17]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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JohnMahowald:

EnderTheThird: There's an option other than /dev/dsp ? Default works for me.

[05:10:36]

CCFL_Man2:

too bad analog is going next year

[05:10:47]

EnderTheThird:

JohnMahowald: Using PulseAudio in Ubuntu?

[05:10:52]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: I'd love to find some cheap component to HD RF modulators. Any idea where?

[05:10:53]

JohnMahowald:

EnderTheThird: Fedora

[05:11:11]

psm321:

Anduin: yeah C works well enough for now... i'll try to track down the problem some other time... thanks!

[05:11:19]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: For home use.

[05:11:40]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: i use qam modulators and off the shelf atsc/qam stbs

[05:11:49]

CCFL_Man2:

nothing out there

[05:12:04]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2:Yea, not yet...but there will be eventually.

[05:12:30]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: qam modulators are pretty expensive! You must have a great budget.

[05:12:31]

CCFL_Man2:

once 8vsb modulators are cheaper

[05:13:01]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: it's all for home use, i could only afford two for two multiplexes

[05:13:01]

psm321:

btw i take back what i said about card priorities being messed up :)

[05:13:03]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: how cheap are we talking?

[05:13:08]

EnderTheThird:

JohnMahowald: Found a .patch file on mythtv.org, trying to figure out how to apply it. Patches can only be applied before compiling though, right?

[05:13:21]

purserj:

yup

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JohnMahowald:

EnderTheThird: If on source code, yes

[05:13:44]

CCFL_Man2:

actually, i can't find a lot of 8vsb modulators

[05:13:51]

EnderTheThird:

JohnMahowald: Guess I'll need to go back to ALSA if i can't get this to work then, heh.

[05:14:10]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: I wish more home components would support serial D1

[05:14:35]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: i prefer dvb-asi

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rsc-232:

.type = CX88_VMUX_SVIDEO,

[05:15:15]

rsc-232:

379 .vmux = 2,

[05:15:22]

rsc-232:

that means its channel 2 right?

[05:15:27]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: yea, but full hd serial d1 supports 360 megabits per second!!! yea baby!!!!

[05:16:10]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: thats hd-sdi with a transport stream?

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rsc-232:

right Lexridge?

[05:16:47]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: and when you consider that off-air HD is only 19 megabits per second. yes, hd-sdi. sorry, I was assuming too much.

[05:17:58]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: why not an ird with dvb-asi out and qam modulate that transport stream, say the ird is tuned yo the national cbs hd feed?

[05:18:24]

CCFL_Man2:

perfect for home use

[05:18:29]

Lexridge:

Believe me, I am no expert on HD broadcasting. I was NAB in Vegas this year to learn all I could, and I still have a lot to learn. We will be meeting with some experts next friday. Hopefully I will be more knowledgable on the subject after that.

[05:18:55]

CCFL_Man2:

you know about digital television?

[05:19:03]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: you are talking cable tv technology. I only know broadcast tech.

[05:19:30]

CCFL_Man2:

well,as an example of distribution around the home

[05:21:09]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: okay, lets get on the same page here.....yes, I was originally referring to home tv dist. I only know that I have a few HD components that output only in component, and DVI. I would like to distribute via RF to other HD televisons in the house. What is the best way to do it?

[05:21:57]

CCFL_Man2:

ok, lets first talk about sources

[05:22:05]

Lexridge:

good start

[05:22:36]

CCFL_Man2:

my sources are a few large c band dishes that commect to comnercial dcII irds

[05:23:19]

CCFL_Man2:

they can be dvb irds as well

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Lexridge:

my sources: two Dish Network 622 HD receivers that have component and HDMI/DVI outputs, and a HD blue ray DVD player with the same.

[05:23:53]

CCFL_Man2:

the dcII irds i have can do dvb

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Lexridge:

dvb I thought was only a european format.

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CCFL_Man2:

it's not possible wih dish network

[05:24:44]

CCFL_Man2:

nah, it's used in the US too, dish network uss dvb also

[05:25:07]

Lexridge:

but not anymore?

[05:25:21]

CCFL_Man2:

they still use it

[05:25:41]

Lexridge:

but only to the receiver....not via the RF output.

[05:26:25]

CCFL_Man2:

their receivers decrypt and decode the ransport stream

[05:26:30]

Lexridge:

right.

[05:26:41]

CCFL_Man2:

their rf ut is channel 3 or 4

[05:26:47]

CCFL_Man2:

out

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Lexridge:

but in this path dvb>sat>receiver>hdmi The RF currently down converts the HD to SD.

[05:28:00]

CCFL_Man2:

actually, there is no rf except for the qpsk and 8psk tuner

[05:28:33]

Lexridge:

are you referring to the HD off-air receiver that is built into the Dish 622 receiver?

[05:29:11]

CCFL_Man2:

from the satellite antenna to tuner, it's then decrypted, demuxed, and decoded to uncompressed digital video and audio

[05:29:26]

CCFL_Man2:

no, i'm talking about the satellite tuner

[05:29:29]

Lexridge:

I'm with ya there.

[05:30:22]

Lexridge:

then, it is outputted via HD component/HDMI.....but not modulated to channel 3 or 4 without downconverting.

[05:30:32]

CCFL_Man2:

right

[05:31:23]

Lexridge:

I want to simply feed the HD component output to an out board HDRF modulator, and send an ATSC signal over my in house RF.

[05:31:35]

CCFL_Man2:

my distribution source is a qam modulated transport stream

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rsc-232:

Lexridge: you familiar with TVTime?

[05:32:18]

CCFL_Man2:

what will your source be?

[05:32:51]

Lexridge:

can most US HD off recievers handle a QAM signal? or does this require a box?

[05:33:02]

Lexridge:

off air that is

[05:33:23]

CCFL_Man2:

most newer ons do

[05:33:24]

Lexridge:

rsc232: yea, my friend uses it....I have not/.

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rsc-232:

tvtime gives just a black screen when i switch it to SVideo

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Lexridge:

my two hd tvs are a few years old. I have a feeling they don't

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CCFL_Man2:

8vsb/atsc modulation is kind of unreasonable now

[05:34:29]

CCFL_Man2:

you never know, see if they scan a cable band

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Lexridge:

yea, but it is the broadcast standard....regardless, I wish the US would have adopted COFEM instead.

[05:35:05]

Lexridge:

COFDEM that is

[05:35:22]

Lexridge:

shit, I still screwed it up......COFDM

[05:35:36]

CCFL_Man2:

qam is a better distribution method though

[05:36:06]

Lexridge:

Cofem works anywhere. The line of sight factor is no long a factor.

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CCFL_Man2:

US should have gone with dvb-t

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Lexridge:

shit, I can tell I'm beat.....I cannot even type. I did elections returns last night for the WV Primary. I didn't get home until 3am. Damn, almost 24 hours ago.... yikes

[05:37:47]

CCFL_Man2:

but for home distribution, qam is the best solution, most newer tuners support qam

[05:38:07]

Lexridge:

I need to buy a new tv....or a tank of gas....hummmmmm,. :)

[05:39:09]

Lexridge:

ccfl_man2: I really appreacite you insight. I will look further into this. Tomorrow. I am presently keeping my eyes open with toothpicks. ;)

[05:39:37]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh, lol

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Lexridge:

I will stay as loong as I can....I'm a rebel man!!!! JKust bare with my alful typing lol

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CCFL_Man2:

i'll be here tomorrow, you better go to bed

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Lexridge:

plus, the beer hjelps somewhat....grin

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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Lexridge:

tommorow is not good. I'm in a classic rock band, and we agreed to play a party sat. we practice there tomorrow night...ugh!!!!!!

[05:41:44]

leprechau:

can anyone point me to a cheap fullsize atx htpc case?

[05:41:46]

bsdfox__:

does myth21-fixes use libmythtv-0.21 or -0.22?

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Lexridge:

then, my wife has plan for me on fri. I'm sure they will suck, but it's something I gotta do......I'll wil be back sunday. :)

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bsdfox__:

I only have -0.22 right now

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CCFL_Man2:

i'm in this channel all the time, so whenever

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bsdfox__:

sup

[05:42:49]

Lexridge:

cool man. It was a pleasure chatting and learning from all you guys. Thanks, and I look forward to sunday. . . . nite.

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leprechau:

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Solarbaby:

Mythtv is configured to change the channels of my Dish Network Satalite.. so it broadcasts that particular remote codes.. that being the case.. I want to use a completely different remote to control the gui of mythtv. Thats where I run into problems.. I dont know how to program lircd.conf for 2 remotes both working with Mythtv

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rsc-232:

Solarbaby: how do you like Dish Netwotk?

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rsc-232:

Network?

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Solarbaby:

is it possible for me to use 1 lircd.conf file to pump 2 sets of remote codes to mythtv? 1 set only broadcasts from the ir sensor to the satalite box, the other would be for controling mythtv gui

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Solarbaby:

Dish is alright.. no real complaints here

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rsc-232:

hey Solarbaby can i show you something?

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Solarbaby:

would have been nice if they supported tivo.. but they dont so im here for mythtv :)

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Solarbaby:

whats that?

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rsc-232:

Solarbaby: are you a registerd user?

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Solarbaby:

I dont remember.. I think I am registered on the forum..

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Solarbaby:

oh yeah.. I am registered

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rsc-232:

on irc

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Solarbaby:

yeah im registered on here too

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rsc-232:

ok so if i do this you should be able to see it

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Solarbaby:

yup

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rsc-232:

check your pm

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justinh:

Solarbaby: easy to define two or more remotes in lircd.conf – just put one definition after another

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justinh:

mornin stuarta

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stuarta:

morning

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** justinh is glad he wasn't in Manchester last night. effing scum **

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** stuarta checks bbc news **

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justinh:

"oh noes! the big screen isn't workin' .. let's trash the place!"

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justinh:

I hope the cost of all that didn't come out of my council tax

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stuarta:

that reinforces my hatred for soccer

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justinh:

and mine of people from that part of the UK

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stuarta:

"Some people are really angry. They've spent a lot of money – maybe £4,000 to £5,000 – to come down here for this."

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stuarta:

why would you spend that money to go and sit and watch it on a big screen

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justinh:

how the hell would it cost 4 to 5 grand to travel from scotland to gunchester?

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stuarta:

do these ppl not have a tv?

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stuarta:

(hotels cost $$$)

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stuarta:

booze $$$, missiles $$$$$$$

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justinh:

in manchester the top room rate is only like £250 a night or something

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justinh:

my wife saw some pissed Scots on her way to work. at ten to nine in the morning. wtf?

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justinh:

hmmm is it possible to disable the mythmusic miniplayer appearing?

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** stuarta shrugs **

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jduggan:

lol @ missiles

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stuarta:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7398108.stm

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justinh:

mmmyers

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justinh:

but the govt is never gonna release the REAL stuff they know.. muhahahahahha.. AHAHAHAHAHAH! It's all a huge CONSPIRACY! They've got Gordon Brown under their control! It's all a bit plot!!!!!

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justinh:

ahhh what's this then.. in the settings table.. MusicAutoShowPlayer .. might be the one I want

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justinh:

wot no GUI setting? hmpph

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justinh:

any more business? No? Good :)

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Enmity:

Hi, I am trying to install mythtv for the first time in Gentoo and have getton stuck with mysql problems

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justinh:

and?

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Enmity:

following the guide at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV I got up to the part where I "eselect mysql list" where I get the error "!!! Error" Cam't load module mysql /n Killed"

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directhex:

yay gentoo!

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Enmity:

heh, bit of a love hate relationship atm

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Enmity:

so, any ideas what to do?

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justinh:

www.mythbuntu.org ?

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Enmity:

hmm, maybe but have just spent a week getting a working gentoo system up and running

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justinh:

was mysql even installed?

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Enmity:

heh

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Enmity:

you spotted my problem first it seems

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justinh:

make sure mysql is in yer USE flags too

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Enmity:

I just did a emerge -s mysql to find the version installed – and it said none installed

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justinh:

esp. when it comes to getting mythweb working

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Enmity:

yup yup, did that and emerging now

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Enmity:

bbiab

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justinh:

well – see ya next week then :)

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justinh:

funny but I'd have thought mysql was a dependency of mythtv in its ebuild but hey

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Enmity:

heh, think you were right about mysql, back if I have any problems after its done

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Enmity:

night all

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gbee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7402090.stm < Oh no, what a loss!

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justinh:

oh noes! where else will I be able to buy a HDMI cable for £100 ?

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Dibblah:

Dixons or PCWorld.

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Dibblah:

Plenty of choice on the high street.

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Dibblah:

Oh, wait.

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directhex:

dixons don't exist anymore anyway

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directhex:

except in duty-free lounges

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directhex:

the dixons group (renamed to dsgi, to hide from the bad press of the dixons name) renamed all their stores away from dixons (renamed to currys.digital, to hide from the bad press of the dixons name)

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justinh:

did dixons & currys always have the same parent company?

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directhex:

"currys" is a name that leads to an improvement in customer perception. how terrifying

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directhex:

justinh, yarrr

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directhex:

justinh, currys, dixons, pc world, and the link. in this country

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justinh:

I never grasped how there's enough of a market for so many of them within spitting distance of one another

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directhex:

different customer bases!

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directhex:

"oh honey, we need a new computamatron!" "well sweetheart, i saw an advert in the sun for a cheap computatrix at currys! and we can shop around at pc world next door!"

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justinh:

and people were stupid enough to fall in? aww bless

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Dagmar:

Well, the thinking there is that if your competition doesn't have it, customers will come in YOUR door for it

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Dagmar:

...and two stores together tend to draw more customers than just one, for that very ready.

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Dagmar:

s/ready/reason/;

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justinh:

monopolies commission ought to have something to say about that

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Dagmar:

Two different companies storees

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justinh:

two *different* companies? how very non-capitalist of you, Dagmar

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Dagmar:

...so long as you can secure a reasonably equal site, tho.

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Dagmar:

Like, if customers have to go up a steep hill and around a sharp turn to get into your place, you're screwed

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Dagmar:

There's a Best Buy around here that does shit business over the Circuit City just two blocks away, simply because the Best Buy's parking lot is situated on an earth cut that requires you to negotiate a truly exciting hairpin

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justinh:

all our big sheds are located in places with stupid road layouts, so I tend to avoid em

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Dagmar:

If two people with these giant land rovers happen to meet in the middle of that, someone's going to yeild or the other lands in the ditc

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Dagmar:

h

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justinh:

yay for natural selection

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gbee:

I trying to think of any real competition in the electrical goods market – there aren't many equivalents of Currys, Dixons and PC World on the High Street

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gbee:

Comet don't even try and a couple have gone bust lately

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justinh:

there are the likes of other shops which sell CE gear – like supermarkets but none of them are really 'high street'

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Dagmar:

Sadly, since these people are generally only pretending to own a vehicle the bank actually does, they will have full coverage and be able to get a new one

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Dagmar:

gbee: Been there, done that.

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gbee:

Argos and the department stores aren't quite the same, though at least they offer a choice

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Dagmar:

Places like Dell, regardless of having shit for customer support, have an awesome marketing team that somehow implies the shit they have manufactured in backwater parts of Taiwan is somehow better than high quality components built by a homebrewer for les

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Dagmar:

s

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justinh:

I wish Argos still sold car subs. I'd buy from from there, safe in the knowledge I have an unconditional refund option

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Dagmar:

Kinda drives me nuts because I thought about opening a shop for awhile

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Dagmar:

Big problem with knowing how to build machines that don't die tho... Nil for repeat business. ;)

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justinh:

Dagmar: big on recommendations though

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gbee:

there are still a few independants around, they tend not to have the range, or low prices, but usually service is a little better

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Dagmar:

Yeah, when I was freelancing PC repair I had no end of people wanting me over

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justinh:

I've heard how people are getting away with charging upwards of £200 a time for de-riddling a windows PC

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Dagmar:

...but there's only so many times a day I can look at a new person's hideously infected, never updated, choking to death inside a bookcase machine and not start to think about whether I could fit the customer down the garbage disposal

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gbee:

however you can't really say Curry etc have low prices, seems the internet is the place to shop for electrical goods if you want a good price

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Dagmar:

Yeah, if you can remove viruses and so forth, you can make bank

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justinh:

Dagmar: same reason I've never taken it up as a paying hobby

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Dagmar:

You just have to be able to tolerate incredible idiocy, in person, over and over

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justinh:

it's bad enough to have to do support for friends of friends even when there's a reward

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Dagmar:

...and those wonderful people who will call you up for something trivial, and then claim the long standing problem they've been having is one you caused when you came.

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justinh:

I'm physically incapable of idiot tolerance

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Dagmar:

Man I used to get maudlin over the stuff I saw. It made me have a bad feeling about the future of the human race

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gbee:

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justinh:

£30 an hour eh? hmmmm

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** justinh strokes his chin **

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Dagmar:

gbee: After word gets around that you're not an idiot, there's generally no shortage of customers, but _tons_ of "edge" cases

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directhex:

edge cases suck

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directhex:

seriously, delousing windows is soul destroying

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Dagmar:

People whose stuff is so broken, they don't even know how to disconnect the machine to bring it into a shop.

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Dagmar:

...and when God is feeling especially vindictive, they will expect you to make them understand what you are doing.

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justinh:

edge cases – what like those people who see a gap between the optical drive & the case.. and THAT is where they slot their discs.. those people?

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gbee:

Dagmar: problem is that I'd end up fixing all the windows problems by installing linux :) Something that customers might not immediately appreciate

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Dagmar:

On a good day, yes.

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jamesd:

how do you delous a windows box and not kill the biggest louse, the user. how do you not keep saying the problem is a pebkac error.

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Dagmar:

On a bad day, you get crap like the little old lady whose CD burner has stopped working, because it had a caddy and she was using it to warm her pop tarts with

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Dagmar:

..and the thing is full of candy sprinkles.

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Dagmar:

This is not an urban legend.

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justinh:

jamesd: it's not directly their fault. if they'd avoided IE / outlook / Warez it probably wouldn't have happened in the 1st place

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Dagmar:

I thought they were screwing with me at first.

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directhex:

justinh, but people are idiots. they will buy an antivirus sub, and never update their antivirus

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Dagmar:

I was like, how can someone NOT realize that putting a pop tart into the computer would NOT have ill effects?

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justinh:

more eats for peeps with brains!

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directhex:

i only support specific software configurations

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gbee:

directhex: which is why whenever I'm required to fix AV related issues I install a free app with free updates – such as AVG

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directhex:

my dad knows he's unsupported, for insisting on using msie/msoe/nortonav

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Dagmar:

When I was freelancing for FoF I went to one woman's house three times in one week to remove the *same* malware.

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directhex:

gbee, you're not licensed to install it for them

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Dagmar:

Her friend kept emailing her the program I *told* her was infected, swearing her system said it was clean, and she'd redownload and run it

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gbee:

doesn't mean that the next time they get Norton on a disk from their ISP they won't just install it again ... alongside McAfee and AVG, then call me to ask which the machine is crawling

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directhex:

i like my wife's pc. clean build, omgfast execution

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gbee:

directhex: so long as I'm not paid (tea and biscuits don't count) :(

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directhex:

and she's only ever done something monumentally stupid once

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justinh:

I've seen forums where folks actually advocate running multiple AV solutions

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directhex:

justinh, the same forums will have people advocating no av "if you know what you're doing", and just using java applet based browsers every few months

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justinh:

I don't use any AV

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justinh:

I'm fine

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justinh:

until I get riddled, then I just restore an image

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justinh:

no probs

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gbee:

I do ... even with linux, but mostly just as an additional spam filter

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Dagmar:

directhex: My parents have had their machine molested enough times now that they have at least learned to use Firefox

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justinh:

no AV software has ever stopped my windows machine getting riddled – thanks wifey – so why bother?

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directhex:

Dagmar, my dad has a charmed life. he's not yet picked up any malware etc

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jamesd:

i still have fond memories of one job, $35/hr 10 years ago, spend 5 minutes re-installing a printer driver, then the next 10 minutes answering questions, then biller her $135 3 hour minium, she was so happy that it worked, she took me and my wife out to dinner and paid for that as well...

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justinh:

my dad's machine seems able to make FF crash more times than I've seen IE hang.. so he sticks with IE

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gbee:

only time any of my Windows machines were 'infected' was back in the mid nineties – PC mags cover disk included a couple of mostly harmless viruses

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gbee:

I really don't miss Windows at all

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Dagmar:

For teh extra slows!

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Dagmar:

I see that on anime forums with unpleasant regularity

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Dagmar:

Kit her up with Ubuntu, and apparmor everything her account can run

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Dagmar:

...or go rube goldberg and install XP in a VM image that is a temporary copy, map My Documents to a samba share on the same machine, and reinstantate the image each boot.

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Dagmar:

Not to be cruel, but an idiot you live with is a fixed target.

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Dagmar:

You don't have to worry about the Universe making bigger idiots.

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Dagmar:

Speaking entirely figuratively and not implying anyone specific is an idiot

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Dagmar:

I *have* made great progress with my parents' computer usage

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Dagmar:

...although the next time, I'm buying them a mac

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justinh:

I'd buy myself one first

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stuarta:

the acrobat vuln exist on mac just as much as on windows

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justinh:

if I was that arsed about security I'd never connect a machine to the interwebs

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justinh:

anyhoo – time to venture to Stockton Heath for lunchies

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Dagmar:

Don't trust what the cat's tell you.

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Dagmar:

s/cat's/cats/;

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Penfold:

Dagmar++ # the VM idea's brilliant.

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Dibblah:

Woo hoo! I no longer need a 10M long DVI cable for my projector!

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Dibblah:

The unfortunate part is the reason.

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Dibblah:

It appears I've killed my projector's DVI input.

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Dibblah:

(ground loop doesn't appear to agree with a LVDS input) :(

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stuarta:

:(

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gbee:

:(

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Dibblah:

Oh, that's friendly.

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Dibblah:

A little sticker inside (on a metal cage) saying "Don't open the case".

[11:42:54]

Dibblah:

Errr... I'm already inside. Little late, lads.

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justinh:

maybe it could er.. fall down the stairs & you can get a new one on your house insurance :P

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justinh:

not that I'd ever advocate defrauding an insurance company, mind

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Dibblah:

These guys are odd.

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Dibblah:

Remove the inputs board, which is stacked on top of the rest of the electronics, in a cage.

[11:52:13]

Dibblah:

Underneath the board, completely inaccessible is another of the "Don't open the case" stickers.

[11:52:42]

** Dibblah proceeds with removing the rest of the cases **

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Dibblah:

I'm expecting it to start squirting acid at any minute.

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stuarta:

sounds like a mutant lifeform

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** justinh pictures an acid squirting projector monster inside which'll wail "you were told not to open the case!" **

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Dibblah:

Oooh! It goes straight from the socket into an AD9882A :)

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stuarta:

any signs of the smoke having escaped?

[12:00:44]

Dibblah:

None, but there usually aren't on this sort of fault.

[12:00:59]

Dibblah:

It's only a 100 lead LQFP, I think I can rework it.

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** gbee stares blankly at Dibblah **

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Dibblah:

Desolder chip, replace chip.

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gbee:

now why didn't you say that before ;)

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justinh:

with home soldering gear? hehehehehehe

[12:04:33]

justinh:

I wouldn't attempt it without a Metcal soldering station

[12:04:50]

justinh:

and a decent work magnifier

[12:05:15]

justinh:

oh and a very sharp scalpel or hot air SMD rework appliance

[12:05:26]

pat_:

I'd pay someone to do it for me

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pat_:

since we're all being honest

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justinh:

i.e. I'd bring it to work :D

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pat_:

you might be the person I'd pay then

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pat_:

just for the electronics stuff, nothing kinky required

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Dibblah:

I have a Kada 852D. It's not the best, but it'll do.

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Dibblah:

Argh. If I do this, I lose HDCP :(

[12:08:13]

Dibblah:

:(

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Dibblah:

The eeprom containing the encrypted key is per-chip.

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stuarta:

there goes that plan

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justinh:

back to the falling down stairs option then

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justinh:

bloody hell Dibblah that rework station isn't bad – and esp not for the money they go for on fleabay

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Dibblah:

Exactly my thoughts.

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justinh:

less than a 2nd hand metcal

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Dibblah:

It's a little underpowered in the heater department for quad+ layer boards.

[12:14:21]

justinh:

a hotplate would help you out there

[12:14:39]

Dibblah:

Indeed it would, but they're not similarly cheap.

[12:14:52]

Dibblah:

Could hack one, I guess.

[12:14:54]

justinh:

indeed a hair dryer would help you out there :)

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justinh:

get yer oven up to 50'C, put the board inside – that'd help too

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justinh:

baking trays are naturally static dissipative :P

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justinh:

I know it's a bit late now but did the word 'warranty' not figure into this somehow?

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dramman:

Anyone have a configuration file for the remote control for Winfast DTV2000H?

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justinh:

does lirc.org not?

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justinh:

www.lirc.org/remotes/leadtek/ ?

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Dibblah:

Warranty on something bought from the states on ebay... Hmm. Let me think.

[12:25:44]

justinh:

Dibblah: insurance in that case :)

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dramman:

lirc.org/remotes/leadtek only has PVR2000, RM-0010 and RM-0007

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justinh:

irrecord no worky?

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gbee:

only time I was ever inclined to fix a PCB myself I was thwarted by the fact that the required caps had to be bought in capacities of 25 and I only needed 4, plus the fact I'm not really handy with a soldering iron and that the costs quickly mounted. I ended up buying a newer, better motherboard

[12:29:12]

justinh:

gbee: we'd just buy em 'for work' :)

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dramman:

irrecord "manual" is a bit light-on – not sure what to put for "device" and "driver" options

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dramman:

when I do "irw" I get "connect: No such file or directory"

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gbee:

/etc/init.d/lircd restart

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r3z``:

Anyone else not get stuff recorded because the NBC broadcast flag?

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gbee:

sorry, ignore me – trying to do too many things at once to follow a conversation properly

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justinh:

r3z: not on OTA HD, never no way no how

[12:35:12]

** r3z has comcast cable. No HD with a PVR500. I had American Gladiators set to record and it never even showed up on my upcoming recordings. **

[12:35:25]

r3z:

Tomorrows showing is set to record now though.

[12:35:42]

r3z:

Seen the /. post about the Broadcast flag and wanted to see if it was related.

[12:35:47]

justinh:

nope

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justinh:

no effect on analogue stuff whatsoever

[12:36:14]

r3z:

Alright. Might have just been the record at a later date option and I didnt notice it.

[12:36:30]

r3z:

Ya its an ntsc tuner not atsc I didnt think it would affect it but wanted to chcek.

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dramman:

gbee: file not found

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justinh:

r3z: no comment about the choice of show, but maybe myth thought you deserve to watch better

[12:43:18]

r3z:

heh

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r3z:

Watched Criminal Minds instead ;)

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gbee:

crap, just truncated my entire music_songs table while trying to remove duplicates

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r3z:

Whoops

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r3z:

Did you backup beforehand?

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gbee:

of course not

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gbee:

it's not a huge loss, but it is annoying, especially since I haven't added my patch to save ratings and play counts to the id3 tags yet

[12:50:05]

gbee:

I can probably find an automatic backup to use, it will be a couple of weeks old at least, but I'm not sure I can be bothered

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kleetus:

anyone have issues with lirc 0.8.3 with 2.6.24 kernels saying 'include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing.'

[12:55:19]

kleetus:

but they are not missing

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justinh:

pfft. just been watching some of the footage of last night's animal antics

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kleetus:

justinh: you are a pretty active member in this channel, where are you from?

[13:29:32]

stuarta:

he hides under rocks

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justinh:

rocks/bridges

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stuarta:

i wouldn't admit to bridges

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kleetus:

justinh: how is the cell reception down there?

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justinh:

and who is calling me a member?

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stuarta:

dodgy things happen under bridges

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justinh:

true. especially next to the manchester-rochdale canal

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kleetus:

justinh: please excuse me, I did not mean to imply "the vernacular"

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kleetus:

anyway, when people refer to different tv shows/programs, I wonder where they are watching them from

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kleetus:

i am a big "Office" fan, but, of course, I am refering to the American ripoff of the British show

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kleetus:

good show nonetheless

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justinh:

by 'animal antics' I was referring to Rangers fans trashing Manchester City centre last night. assholes

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directhex:

justinh, could be worse. i remember portsmouth centre being trached by rioting fans after a portsmouth-southampton game

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directhex:

justinh, except the rioters were the portsmouth fans...

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justinh:

I remember when Newcastle fans trashed Newcastle after Newcastle won in the local derby

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stuarta:

thats just plain stupid

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justinh:

if people went on like that about Harry Potter they'd ban it

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kleetus:

doesn't trashing of stadiums happen most everywhere, when the time comes, their stadium will be trashed too

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justinh:

no, not stadia – they can do wtf they like with those

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justinh:

you won't find be caring about a stadium being trashed

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kleetus:

ah ok, a centre is not a stadium...i need a dictionary

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justinh:

and kleetus – you know what else sparked off trouble? one of the big screens in town which was erected for the benefit of around 80,000 fans who turned up without tickets – well one screen went faulty – so a riot ensued. we should build Hadrian's Wall back up

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kleetus:

justinh: that is a good idea..are all these people just drunk ass bastards?

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justinh:

Scots? I wouldn't like to generalise :P

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kleetus:

justinh: now i need to read the news about this

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justinh:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7402858.stm

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kleetus:

thanks

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kleetus:

baying wolves

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justinh:

1TB HDD £88 @ scan inc VAT & del.

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tank-man:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080514 . . . -stinks.html

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tank-man:

mwahahahaha

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justinh:

gbee: seen Scan today only? 1TB samsung oly £88 delivered

[14:05:22]

gbee:

!

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stuarta:

data++++++

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** gbee checks his bank balance **

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ddgoose:

anyone have any opinions on -> Hauppauge pvr-350 ?

[14:10:34]

justinh:

ddgoose: yep. pointless these days

[14:10:56]

ddgoose:

whats the best card to use that has a fb device in it?

[14:11:01]

justinh:

NONE

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justinh:

get a real VGA card, and run X on it. no real choice for mythtv there

[14:12:11]

ddgoose:

so use a 150 or 50 and regular vga is best way to go then?

[14:12:15]

ddgoose:

er 500

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justinh:

yup

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stuarta:

gbee: you get your dvb-s card yet?

[14:15:19]

dustybin:

ive nearly convinced my sister to get rid of her sky box to be replaced with a little frontend

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dustybin:

if i did build my sister a frontend, is there a way to keep all mine and her recordings seperate?

[14:16:15]

justinh:

dustybin: if she's happy with Sly leave her be. you'll only end up being tech support when she manages to break it

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bbeattie:

Before I log a bug, can anyone else confirm mythmovies is broken? It appears ignyte points to a now invalid url.

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dustybin:

justinh: my frontend / backend has never been so stable

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GreyFoxx:

cust: I use recording groups on mine. So my wifes stuff, my daughters and mine are all in seperate groups

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stuarta:

what you are actually asking is "is ignyte broken"

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bbeattie:

I'm working out of a svn branch that could be invalid, so I want to make sure

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gbee:

stuarta: not yet

[14:18:02]

gbee:

ordered, but yet to arrive

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bbeattie:

I pulled down the 21 fixes branch and still have a problem, so I'm fairly sure it's broken but I don't want to waste someones time if it's not.

[14:18:37]

gbee:

not sure I'll get it this week, first email I got said that tracking information would arrive in a second email which I've yet to receive

[14:18:42]

dustybin:

the only bug on mythtv left for me, is when i sometimes escape back into the first main menu, everything disappears apart from the background, i can blindly navigate around still but just cannot get any menu text back

[14:19:03]

dustybin:

opengl isnt even compiled this time, but i still get this bug

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gbee:

bbeattie: nothing has changed in mythmovies since 0.21 was released

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Tomas-_:

dustybin: never seen that one

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bbeattie:

I'll log the bug then

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dustybin:

Tomas-_: i havent a clue what it is, maybe something to do with the stuff on my debian lenny box / xorg

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dustybin:

i havent a clue

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gbee:

except that we've moved to QT4 which _did_ break a lot of QHttp stuff, so it might be that, in which case we're working on it

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Tomas-_:

dustybin: why run lenny instead of stable?

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gbee:

guess I'm going to impulse buy that 1Tb drive – I needed one anyway for the higher HD bitrates

[14:22:00]

dustybin:

Tomas-_: kernel 2.6.24 supports USB autosuspend turn off options, and that works perfectly with my Nova-T 500

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tank-man:

you don't have to convince us you need to buy that 1Tb hdd :)

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Tomas-_:

dustybin: check

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Tomas-_:

dustybin: altough you could just replace the kernel in etch ;)

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dustybin:

Tomas-_: the backport kernel wasnt 2.6.24

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dustybin:

last time i checked

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dustybin:

Tomas-_: i tried re-compiling it, but it turned into a mess

[14:23:34]

Tomas-_:

ok, should work with a stock kernel also

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dustybin:

Tomas-_: im pretty sure i had that same bug when i was using etch too, not long ago

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dustybin:

infact im certain

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gbee:

or maybe not, doesn't include postage?

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dustybin:

if its only me, then its something to do with my setup

[14:24:24]

MaxeyPad2:

are the x264 player codes under mythtv/linux a lot more efficient than windows?

[14:24:53]

tank-man:

i don't think so MaxeyPad2 , not yet

[14:25:15]

tank-man:

i think the best is coreavc in windows

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justinh:

pffff

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justinh:

gpu offloading is most efficient

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dustybin:

whenever i do a svn update, i always see a lot of amends to: U libs/libmythtv/DVDRingBuffer.h

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dustybin:

.cpp

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stuarta:

so?

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dustybin:

i just wondered why

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GreyFoxx:

cause stuff gets fixed....

[14:27:02]

stuarta:

cause you did an update

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GreyFoxx:

?!?

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dustybin:

aye ok :P

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stuarta:

wtf do you think U stands for ???

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dustybin:

:-0

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** dustybin hides **

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justinh:

dustybin: YOU'RE FIRED!

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stuarta:

!trout dustybin svn update

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** MythLogBot slaps dustybin with a svn update trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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gbee:

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Tomas-_:

You are running BETA version of reiserfs shrinker.

[14:31:09]

Tomas-_:

This version is only for testing or VERY CAREFUL use.

[14:31:09]

Tomas-_:

Backup of you data is recommended.

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Tomas-_:

yikes ;)

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justinh:

gbee: free delivery for avforums users & others :)

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gbee:

ahh, yeah I forgot that one ...

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justinh:

Tomas-_: put stain covers over all your seats first, too

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Tomas-_:

resize_reiserfs: Resizing finished successfully.

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Tomas-_:

now to test

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Tomas-_:

yay! it worked

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dustybin:

heres a few pictures of my mythtv setup in my bedroom

[14:36:00]

dustybin:

http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/IMG_0858.JPG

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dustybin:

http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/IMG_0857.JPG

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** justinh smells goatse **

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** bipolar thinks justinh is too close to the dude **

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** justinh doesn't understand wtf bipolar meant **

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bipolar:

thats ok...

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GreyFoxx:

dust: ethernet over powerlines ?

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Tomas-_:

I hope all you ubuntu/debian users have updated your host/user-sshkeys

[14:40:17]

gbee:

justinh: oh I've just remembered, they make a version of my new case without the visible ports at the front (hidden behind a drop-down panel)

[14:40:33]

dustybin:

GreyFoxx: nope, everything is connected to a APC

[14:40:38]

justinh:

gbee: cool

[14:40:48]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[14:40:51]

gbee:

http://www.wisdon.com.tw/en/cpxx.asp?id=976

[14:41:13]

gbee:

model shown there is obviously the black one, I prefer the silver :)

[14:41:51]

GreyFoxx:

I want something like that with avolume knob and pause/play button heh

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gbee:

don't suppose you are interested, just thought I'd mention it because you weren't too keen on the one I got

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justinh:

might be in future

[14:42:39]

justinh:

see that's more blimmin like it!

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gbee:

really like the case, will get a second at some point and it will probably be the model above

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MinDKrime:

dustybin: is it me or is you room built on a hill? (pic 858)

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** Tomas-_ is growing his mythtv filesystem **

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** quicksilver crosses fingers for Tomas-_ . **

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dustybin:

here are my other computers

[14:45:22]

dustybin:

http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/IMG_0859.JPG

[14:45:26]

dustybin:

http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/IMG_0860.JPG

[14:45:27]

quicksilver:

I have to upgrade from 250/400/400 to 500/500/400/400 soon.

[14:45:37]

quicksilver:

that will need concentration. I bet I fuck it up.

[14:46:04]

justinh:

how the hell do you live at 90' to the rest of Planet Earth?

[14:46:27]

MinDKrime:

ROFL that is what I was saying

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MinDKrime:

I dont see how it all stays on the table....

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justinh:

MinDKrime: anti-gravity pads

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Tomas-_:

gbee: LVM > storage groups any day of the week :p

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gbee:

never in a million years is LVM better :)

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justinh:

Tomas-_: says you

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Tomas-_:

Sure I do, best thing since hookers went online...

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Tomas-_:

:)

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MinDKrime:

:D

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Tomas-:

But yeah.. MD + LVM [+ crypt (where suitable)] + reiserfs/ext3 is a good solution, atleast for me

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Lynet:

Why ext3 instead of xfs?

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bog0:

hi

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stuarta:

xfs works fine for me

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Tomas-:

I have no experience with XFS and didn't want to start experimenting

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bog0:

how do I link xmltv with my database? Currently I have only unknown channels... :-/

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bog0:

I have already a working grabber script

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gbee:

xmltvids

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keith4:

ha. NBC turned on the broadcast flag Monday night? hilarious

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stuarta:

that'll wake up middle america

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keith4:

poor Microsoft-using saps

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keith4:

this is hilarious. did anyone read this ars tech article?

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stuarta:

yes

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keith4:

http://tinyurl.com/4sp537 <-- for anyone who hasn't seen it

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tank-man:

i love drm

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GreyFoxx:

It hit slashdot as well

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keith4:

ah, haven't gotten there yet in my daily time-wasting rotation

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keith4:

I love their explanation: "it must have been an accident"

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keith4:

I'm going to start using that

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tank-man:

it was an accident to put in the ability to do it too ...

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stuarta:

no, that was election cash

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gbee:

heh, I like the quote from BigGerman – "apparently this "flag" feature is not supported by Mythtv. Damn you open source, always one step behind."

[15:03:02]

keith4:

hah

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Tomas-:

damn fsck for ext3 is worthlessly slow

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GreyFoxx:

hahah I got an email from a friend of mine in the US who uses visa/MCE and got bit by this

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, saying?

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Tomas-:

* Total Space: 795,293 MB

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Tomas-:

* Space Used: 477,522 MB

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Tomas-:

* Space Free: 317,770 MB

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GreyFoxx:

she was always a believer in DRM and so on, until "those bastards" caused her to miss Medium :)

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gbee:

opted for a 500Gb drive instead on the basis that by the time I fill it, 1Tb will be half the price it is now

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Tomas-:

more storage for crap TV ;)

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GreyFoxx:

she would preach about it until now :)

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GreyFoxx:

now she's out for blood cause it actually affected her

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, i want more and more draconian drm measures – because until it fucks people like your friend up, only a minority of geeks will be shouting about it

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GreyFoxx:

direct: she was emailing asking me about helping her to setup a mythbox heh

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tank-man:

why was your friend in favour of drm before?

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tank-man:

she produces content?

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justinh:

I'm all in favour of preventing piracy but DRM isn't the way to do it

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GreyFoxx:

tank: nah, she just had been brainwashed to thinking that no drm = piracy/stealing

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GreyFoxx:

when DRM really just means control over how you access the content being taken awary from you

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justinh:

yup

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janneg:

directhex: anything from compro yet?

[15:08:42]

justinh:

a bit like how dustybin was on about "psst, The Apprentice starts in 5mins" last night :)

[15:09:09]

justinh:

"you cannot record this show, you'll have to watch it now or not at all"

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** GreyFoxx heads out **

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directhex:

janneg, nope. that's 1 day down

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gbee:

except you get no advance warning – you only find out it didn't record after the fact

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directhex:

janneg, wednesday noon is when they exhaust their 3 day self-imposed limit on replies, and i get a story published in the tech pages

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** janneg suspects the only reaction we get will be the removal of the linux "drivers" **

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directhex:

janneg, that's an acceptable way to stop infringing, though

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directhex:

janneg, it's still an improvement over warezed source, no?

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gbee:

yes, but not really the preferred outcome

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janneg:

it's probably the only way to stop infringment since I'm almost certain that they've used reference code they don't own

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directhex:

janneg, i'd hope the final paragraph of my email made it clear that there were business advantages to "real" upstream support

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rwalker:

Has anyone seen any progress on hardware video acceleration for ATI hardware?

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rwalker:

Seems like XVMC is getting killed off, what will be its successor?

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stuarta:

where did you get the idea XvMC is being killed off?

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rwalker:

The 3 main video makers don't like it. Read many times that there are projects to replace it.

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rwalker:

This is one of them http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/vaapi

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gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Introduction

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rwalker:

gbee, You know of any progress on getting VA working on ATI/AMD chips?

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gbee:

no

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gbee:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjM1Ng

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rwalker:

Good info gbee, thanks

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quicksilver:

rwalker: there is good chatter about ATI/AMD if you lurk in #radeon.

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quicksilver:

rwalker: a couple of guys are working pretty ahrd on the OS drivers

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quicksilver:

(at least one of them is employed by AMD)

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quicksilver:

rwalker: decode acceleration is definitely planned.

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quicksilver:

whether it's xvmc or va-api I couldn't say.

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wagner:

does the capture card have any knowledge of whether something is being watched or recorded?

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wagner:

more specifically, is there any way to enforce the broadcast flag if the recording flag ignores it?

[16:48:59]

wagner:

err... if the software ignores it

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wagner:

ah, its supposed to downconvert to 480i

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justinh:

wagner: what broadcast flag? mythtv knows about no such thing so how could it possibly do anything with it? ;)

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justinh:

seems as though the BF has finally got some attention at any rate

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wagner:

it seems compliant hardware downconverts before it ever hits the system

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wagner:

meaning DVRs cant even watch HD content with a broadcast flag

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justinh:

not tuner cards

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justinh:

it doesn't have much to do with downsampling either – it's supposed to be more about prevention of recording

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wagner:

right, according to the wiki page, compliant hardware will downsample when the broadcast flag is detected

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wagner:

although that may only be if it doesnt detect compliant software

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justinh:

whatever. doesn't matter to mythtv users

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justinh:

only 5C with cable really impacts us

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wagner:

luckily, i didnt attempt to record American Gladiators, so i dont have anything to test on

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justinh:

and that prevents watching, not just recording

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justinh:

this isn't conjecture btw. mythtv does not pay any heed to the BF. It certainly could if it were coded that way, but it ain't

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wagner:

i realize that, im saying the hardware does stuff outside the control of the software

[17:09:03]

wagner:

and outside the control of the drivers

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Dibblah:

wagner: Not with DVB / ATSC.

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Dibblah:

There is no way for the card to "downsample".

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wagner:

thats what i assumed

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wagner:

they would have to have a decoder and encoder

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wagner:

which i cant believe they would force on manufacturers

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Slim-Kimbo:

Is anyone in the channel who can delete posts from the forum, we have some unsavory stuff on their at the moment

[17:15:53]

Slim-Kimbo:

sorry ignore last post, posted on wrong channel

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wagner:

yeah, i was going to ask... 'when did we get a forum'

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darkwizzard:

i have a question can mythtv burn a audio cd? not a mp3 one but a regular cd

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wagner:

i didnt realize mythtv could burn mp3 cds

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wagner:

mythroast, mythburn, and mytharchive were all intended for burning recordings

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darkwizzard:

yeah it can burn a mp3 cd

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wagner:

what plugin?

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darkwizzard:

mythmusic

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wagner:

not listed on the wiki, i cant find that function on my frontend... im off to work

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justinh:

Slim-Kimbo: which forum?

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xris:

jams: you get much of your new remote working yet?

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xris:

I fail for "lirc setup" :(

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keith4:

i just did a lirc setup not too long ago

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keith4:

with a cheapo, $11 universal remote from amazon.com

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xris:

keith4: I have a nice mceusb2 remote (and a new free Harmony One to emulate it).. but for some reason my lircd.conf file isn't working properly.

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xris:

granted, I haven't put a tremendous amount of time into figuring it out, either.

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keith4:

do you get output from irw?

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xris:

no, but I do from mode2

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justinh:

is lircd looking at the right device node?

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xris:

justinh: no clue. like I said, I hadn't spent much time on it. was more interested in getting my Harmony working

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** xris reminds people about the linkedin.com group for mythtv: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/96734/7263542DA680 **

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justinh:

look for clues in hardware.conf :)

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justinh:

I gave up on linkedin when it transpired they were after my money

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AndyCap:

justinh: as just opposed to your personal info and contact network?

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justinh:

I could swear there was one useful feature they wanted money for

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justinh:

maybe I have them confused with somebody else I dunno

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justinh:

if it's an improvement on the facebook "help miffyteevee bwoked" group...

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AndyCap:

halp!1

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justinh:

hmpf. none of the *real* people at work are on linkedin

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justinh:

speaks volumes

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justinh:

but, could come in handy in my job hunting

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gbee:

I've never really bought into social networking online

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justinh:

I find it easier to keep in touch with people on farcebook than by email & IM. and since everybody seems to have stopped all the zombie/pet throwing nonsense it's actually tolerable

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gbee:

guess I'm just a private kind of person, revealing my life to people I don't know and have never met just doesn't appeal – nor does answering emails from old school 'friends' who have popping out of the woodwork

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justinh:

they're a simple IGNORE click away :)

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justinh:

and you only expose as much of your life as you want to

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justinh:

if I ain't heard of em, they don't get on the list

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justinh:

my sister has over 400 'friends' on FB. how the hell does she even know that many people?!

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justinh:

still, at least FB is readable.. unlike Myspace ;)

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PatrickDK:

I made a myspace account for no purpose other than to annoy the wife that I won't friend her

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TelnetManta:

anyone gotten a new PSU lately thats missing the P2 connector?

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TelnetManta:

moving my backend HW to a new case, at least I was trying LOL

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darkwizzard:

can anyone tell me if mythtv can burn a audio cd? in mythmusic?

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dustybin:

anyone here use a blackberry pearl cell phone?

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rwalker:

dustybin, isn't that kind of like asking "Do you like dogs?" in here...

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dustybin:

?!

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bobgill_:

how can I get my recordings to be named by show name and/or date+time of show instead of the default naming?? I like to copy over certain recordings to my external drive here and there and don't wish to keep sorting through the huge recordings directory to find the right one

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otwin:

bobgill_: have a look at mythrename.pl

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praet:

yep

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justinh:

for safest results use mythrename.pl --link

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rsc-232:

justinh: hey you good with installing tuners?

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justinh:

very good with installing tuners, but only ones I'm interested in

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keith4:

i seem to recall a way to tell mythfilldatabase to fix the channel names, based on xmltvids, but I can't remember the --thing

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justinh:

mythfilldatabase --help can be very illuminating

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squish102:

i have a very crappy creative labs remote and ir receiver. can i replace the remote with a different one and then replace the codes in that one config file and it should work?

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gbee:

yes

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justinh:

depends on the particular IR receiver though

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justinh:

try picking up another remote you have lying around the house & learning it with irrecord. if you can learn that, then you'd probably be good with any other remote within reason

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squish102:

ok thanks justinh and gbee

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squish102:

the creative remote is one of those tiny credit card sized remotes

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slow:

hi

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slow:

how can i get program data in germany with xmltv?

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justinh:

squish102: yeah I know those well. stupid when you know how much 20,000 off of a decent remote costs

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justinh:

like $2 a piece

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gbee:

I actually want one of those small ones for use with my laptop, but preferably usb based with a suitably small dongle

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gbee:

heh, by coincidence the Gadget Show are trying to dispell the expensive HDMI cable myth

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beandog:

whats the verdict

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gbee:

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jduggan:

surely its true? digital is digital, regardless?

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jduggan:

or does someone claim 1's and 0's get turned into 5's and 6's? ;P

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directhex:

jduggan, they claim exactly that

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directhex:

e.g. audio quality is better with more expensive hdmi

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janneg:

depends on the length, especially for out of specs cables

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directhex:

janneg, who buys out of spec cables, when in-spec is dirt cheap?

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Fen_Star:

I'm having trouble installing my tv tuner (BTTV) and have spent hours searching on the web. Does anyone know of a good resource for this stuff?

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Fen_Star:

what stuff I do find is really old, and I think things have changed.

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gbee:

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janneg:

directhex: is much harder to make in-specs cables at long lengths

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directhex:

yes, true

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gbee:

yes the more expensive cable might manage a marginally lower error rate, but nothing that you could actually discern – the spec calls for a an error rate of at least 1 in a million (can't remember the exact figure)

[21:45:36]

jarle:

I am not very experienced reading gdb output, which function is the one causing segfault here: http://pastebin.ca/1019504 ?

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GreyFoxx:

but but but what about the gold plated connectors! they are shiny and therefore better!

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GreyFoxx:

;)

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brejc8:

if yu have an error on your cable it will be filtered out by error correction or it will cause horrible distortions which you will nit be able to ignore.

[21:46:21]

brejc8:

It is as silly as expensive ram being advertised as being able to better play your mp3s

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Fen_Star:

or, can anyone recomend a forum to ask questions on?

[21:47:22]

janneg:

jarle: it is the ~DVBSignalMonitor deconstructor

[21:48:09]

jarle:

janneg: and you happen to see the the bug also? :)

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janneg:

no, I haven't looked at the source

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** jarle is checking to see that the bug is not already at the tracker... **

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esotericisms:

I have a question regarding myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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janneg:

jarle: trunk or 0.21-fixes?

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esotericisms:

when it prompts for the Channel and has [1003] filled in already, I would enter a different channel number like 1034 only if where suppose to be channel 34 right?

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jarle:

janneg: -fixes

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directhex:

if you want a number of 34, make it 34

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directhex:

wait, mythrebuilddatabase

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directhex:

you're right, make it 1034

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jarle:

janneg: revision 17338 (latest)

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directhex:

the first number is the tuner number, so 1034 is channel 34 on tuner 1

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esotericisms:

thats what I thought okay thanks

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directhex:

or source number or whatever

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esotericisms:

cool

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directhex:

something like that

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esotericisms:

anyone on here by change living in the dc metro area?

[21:56:12]

esotericisms:

anyone know where I can look at historical data (tv guide data that is?)

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janneg:

jarle: it's segfaulting in VERBOSE()

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jarle:

janneg: which means?

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jarle:

janneg: it seems to not crash all the time, so I haven't been able to pinpoint what exactly causes the crash..

[21:59:44]

janneg:

it means I have no idea why it's crashing

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gbee:

where is the bt?

[22:00:28]

janneg:

gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1019504

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janneg:

jarle: which verbose options do you use?

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bsdfox_:

hey guys, I've had a weird problem for a while.. channel 8 (fox) has the volume (seems to only be voices, not music..) fluxuate greatly.. it makes it impossible to watch anything recorded. I figured it was something I screwed up as it used to work fine.. anyway, just reinstalled my whole myth system on .21-fixes (rather than svn trunk) and it still happens. same thing on two different capture cards (pvr-250 and pvr-500) can anyone

[22:03:28]

bsdfox_:

explain that? can I fix it somehow?

[22:03:30]

gbee:

150 is the line before the verbose

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jarle:

janneg: when I debug with gdb I use "-v record,channel,siparser"

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janneg:

gbee: not in my source

[22:05:05]

jarle:

janneg: I have created a new ticket for this bug: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5367

[22:05:08]

bsdfox_:

channel 8 comes in fine if I plug the cable straight to tv instead of through my myth box

[22:05:19]

jarle:

janneg: just in case you happen to figure this out :)

[22:05:41]

gbee:

hmm, don't think I've got any local mods

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gbee:

oh -fixes ... my bad

[22:05:56]

jarle:

janneg: so far my only patches has been translations so I'm a bit lost when it comes to debugging :)

[22:06:22]

janneg:

gbee: iirc we had already crashes in VERBOSE called (indirectly) from deconstructors

[22:06:53]

gbee:

janneg: yep, I'd forgotten that – I could reliably cause a crash with VERBOSE in the dtor

[22:07:31]

gbee:

never did figure it out and it was easier just to remove it

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janneg:

gbee: my file is unmodified and has following md5sum 0806aa7e22d4c01f96cd950d80eadf5a

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gbee:

janneg: I was looking at the wrong branch

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janneg:

ok

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gbee:

it' definately the verbose, the vars dtime and dtmp point to that

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esotericisms:

anyone ever configured spdif audio on fedora and then with mythtv in here?

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nicholas_:

43Wy9z

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gbee:

jarle: do you have the same issue with a release build? we use a different verbose macro depending on the build type

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jarle:

gbee: you mean the 0.21 release, without fixes?

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gbee:

no I mean using --compile-type=release instead of --compile-type=debug

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gbee:

I'm just stabbing in the dark

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jarle:

gbee: I used to run trunk without any problems and just after 0.21 was released I switched to 0.21-fixes and noticed this problem when scanning for channels....

[22:16:30]

jarle:

gbee: I'll recompile and give it another go....

[22:16:47]

gbee:

jarle: ok thanks, it would be useful to know

[22:17:37]

gbee:

the differences are just in the locking and speed of the methods used, but it could explain why we don't get more of these VERBOSE segfaults reported

[22:17:46]

jarle:

gbee: I'm recording right now, so I'm not able to test it before tomorrow, but I'll update the ticked with the new info after trying...

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gbee:

jarle: thanks

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jarle:

gbee: will gdb still be able to supply any usefull info when it is built as a release?

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gbee:

jarle: no, but if it doesn't crash then it doesn't matter and if it does then it eliminates one theory

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jarle:

gbee: oki..

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gbee:

janneg: got a better idea?

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janneg:

gbee: no, but I haven't looked at the VERBOSE macro

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esotericisms:

question, my spdif channel after a reboot or init change reverts back to muted

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esotericisms:

how can I fix this?

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iamlindoro__:

alsactl --store

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esotericisms:

thanks, another question for you ... do you use mplayer or xine?

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jarle:

gbee and janneg: Not sure if it makes any difference but the segfault I supplied in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5367 happened after scanning through more than 90% of the channels. Earlier I have had it crash before even starting to scan.

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jarle:

esotericisms: mplayer

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gbee:

why does it always come down to a choice between mplayer and xine? What about internal?

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** jarle uses internal except for playing HD content that the internal won't play.. **

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** gbee wonders if everyone is following a howto from two years ago or something **

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gbee:

jarle: what sort of HD content?

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gbee:

just curious what we still need to fix

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jarle:

gbee: 1080p blueray that needs threaded playback to work

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esotericisms:

jarle: I am having issues with mplayer, I can't get it to use my digital spdif out

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esotericisms:

I am at a loss

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jarle:

gbee: and this is only supported in latest development versions of ffmpeg

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gbee:

like the threaded decoding in 0.21 ... ? Or stuff which was added to ffmpeg later?

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** gbee doesn't follow ffmpeg development that closely **

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jarle:

gbee: I think this was added to ffmpeg trunk a couple of months ago.

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jarle:

gbee: I use "mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0" and it works just fine, using internal player it is VERY choppy...

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gbee:

nor have I tried high bitrate 1080p ... high bitrate 1080i is fine with the internal player with threading enabled and and skiploop disabled

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gbee:

jarle: yeah, that's been in the internal player for a while

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iamlindoro__:

Everything in that mplayer command line is doable in .21 (assuming you apply the skiploopfilter patch)

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gbee:

you just have to turn it on (and use a patch in trac to turn off the deblocking (skiploop))

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jarle:

so if I want to use internal player instead, which settings should I change from the default, which obviously isn't working...

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esotericisms:

sorry I lost my connection

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gbee:

jarle: in playback profiles, for the HD profile (> 1280), increase the number of CPUs above one

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gbee:

and apply the patch from #4653

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** gbee did push for the default number of CPUs to be set to the maximum, but doesn't seem to have happened for 0.21 **

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directhex:

4653?

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4653#comment:3

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XLV:

jarle, cpu? with which you get that hd decode with nice quality, i mean

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** iamlindoro__ is glad to see he remembered to post a working version of the patch a few months ago **

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jarle:

XLV: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz

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iamlindoro__:

I think the one I updated for 16xxx should apply against .21.

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: yeah, I'm looking to commit something in the next couple of weeks

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jarle:

gbee: I agree that mythtv should always use as many CPUs it finds available by default

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gbee:

XLV: I can do 1080i with an AMD 2x 3600+ (2Ghz) and the internal player, yet to try 1080p

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iamlindoro__:

I play my ripped-from-the-disk-at-home Blu ray rips in Internal. Does require a scoche more effort than mplayer to play smooth, but doable.

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iamlindoro__:

I generally chalk people needing mplayer up to them downloading their alleged Blu-ray rips from the internets and the provider not encoding things properly

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gbee:

patch applies against 0.21 with offsets, doesn't apply against trunk

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jarle:

gbee: any reason the patch is not commited ?

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gbee:

jarle: everyone has just been too busy to look at it, but I'm looking at it now :)

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gbee:

we want to try benchmarking different skiploop settings to start with and I may offer a sliding scale to tradeoff quality/speed

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gbee:

but I'll know more once I'm working on it

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directhex:

gah, i meant to put boxes in the car this evening

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esotericisms:

anyone have a suggestion as to where I can look up a show that was on a month ago, trying to import some recordings

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