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Monday, May 12th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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rsc-232:

J-e-f-f-A: install should be done in 20 mins

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rsc-232:

then i can tell you

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rsc-232:

J-e-f-f-A still here?

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J-e-f-f-A:

rsc-232: I am, but have to leave in 5 minutes...

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rsc-232:

ahhh

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rsc-232:

ok

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rsc-232:

what do i do if i see SVideo in input connectiuons?

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MaxeyPad2:

hrm wonder if this will work with mythtv

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MaxeyPad2:

http://ca.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=9903

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GreyFoxx:

Looks like massive overkill

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GreyFoxx:

but it would work

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GreyFoxx:

assuming the linkux knvidia drive supports it

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rsc-232:

GreyFoxx: could ya help me?

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rsc-232:

with my svideo in issue

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GreyFoxx:

sorry, little occupied with something right now :)

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MaxeyPad2:

sorry I read that wrong...

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MaxeyPad2:

for some reason I thought that was the new USB video thing from nvidia

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pwned1:

hello!

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pwned1:

Does anyone here have experience with the happauge win-pvr-usb2 box on ubuntu?

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hadees:

does anyone here have libvisual working with mythtv?

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cesman:

hadees: works fine here

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cesman:

hadees: projectM however is another story

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hadees:

hmm i always get a segmentation fault

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hadees:

cesman, does projectM give you a segmentation fault?

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hadees:

well i was using projectM but now i can't switch that because i get a segmentation fault when i try and edit the visualizations

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rsc-232:

cesman: can you help with a tv tunr?

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cesman:

hadees: yes, it does

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cesman:

rsc-232: what is the issue?

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cesman:

rsc-232: if I can assist, I'll attempt to do so

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crazy_bus:

I'm getting events in irw and I tried to edit the mythtv lirc file But mythtv still isn't recognising command I enter via the remote (except for volume and numbers). Can anyone help?

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rsc-232:

cesman: black screen on SVideo Input

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jblack:

I can't figure out why one of my laptops segfaults whenever it tries to play video.

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thedarkone:

is there a way to use a wired usb xbox360 controller in linux?

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fryfrog:

doesn't help you, but you can use an xbox 1 controller in linux

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fryfrog:

just need to adapt its ms usb connector to normal usb

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rsc-232:

fryfrog: can u help me get svideo to work in mythtv?

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fryfrog:

sorry, i've only ever used dvi

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rsc-232:

nooo

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rsc-232:

SVideo IN

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fryfrog:

i'm sure it boils down to getting your video card working with...

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fryfrog:

oh, *in*

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rsc-232:

.. Sat Box >>> SViden In

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fryfrog:

shouldn't be too hard, just bind a channel line up to the svideo input and provide a way for it to change channels

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fryfrog:

using a pvr150 i hope?

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rsc-232:

did that

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rsc-232:

all i get is Blank black screen

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rsc-232:

with OSD\

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rsc-232:

no AverMedia-M150

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fryfrog:

can you make svideo work on command line?

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rsc-232:

idk how

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fryfrog:

maybe some documentation on your card?

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rsc-232:

i cant find any

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fryfrog:

i can't believe there is *no* documentation

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rsc-232:

define documentation?

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fryfrog:

check the source code of the driver, maybe they have a web site or something

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rsc-232:

its a generic V4L

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fryfrog:

documents that explain aspects of the cards usage?

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fryfrog:

oh, so it is a bit banger?

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fryfrog:

not a hardware mpeg2?

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rsc-232:

yes hardware mpeg2

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fryfrog:

so how do you change channels and stuff?

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kormoc:

rsc-232, rather then playing 20 questions, what *is* your card?

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fryfrog:

how do you select inputs?

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fryfrog:

22:46 < rsc-232> no AverMedia-M150

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kormoc:

Under "Known to NOT work", AverMedia M150 From the myHTPC website: same MPEG2 encoder as the Hauppuage PVR-250 paired with a CX23880 for the TV receiving chip. This is known as the "Blackbird" reference design.

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kormoc:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware

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quink:

ATI....its not the recommended path for mythtv?

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fryfrog:

quink: correct, both for input and output

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fryfrog:

but if you already *have* something ATI, I'd give it a try since it is free :)

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quink:

Is this a trend i should expect for the future or its just based off of current hardware trends?

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fryfrog:

ATI + Linux is just not very good, historically.

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kormoc:

quink, "ATI has stated publicly that they don't support MythTV in their fglrx X11 driver: 737–26907: Unsupported Features with ATI Linux Drivers", http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Prop . . . ternal_links

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fryfrog:

who the heck knows what the future holds

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quink:

well that blows

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fryfrog:

not really

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quink:

this hiper htpc system i'm looking at seems very cool.

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fryfrog:

it would only really blow if there were no alternatives :)

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fryfrog:

ah, and it is ati/amd based?

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quink:

yep

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wagner:

there have been rumors that ati will better support linux due to their amd merger, but they have so far just been rumors

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quink:

http://www.hipergroup.com/English/products/hmc-2k53a.html

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fryfrog:

send em (and ati?) a note saying you didn't buy this because of their crappy support, maybe someone will get a clue

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quink:

well wrong link, but thats the general idea.

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quink:

http://www.hipergroup.com/English/products/hmc-2k53a-a3.html

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quink:

there

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fryfrog:

is it just ATI video *output*?

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wagner:

well chances are they will never support linux on their cablecard products, but thats a different issue

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Agrajag-:

wagner: it's been a lot more than just rumors, they have since released a lot of specs

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quink:

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodd . . . prod_no=1165

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quink:

that is the mobo

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quink:

was just trying to find a nice, simple, low power system earlier this morning

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fryfrog:

hey, it is just a micro atx mb?

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quink:

and someone suggested hiper systems

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wagner:

so theyre releasing specs to allow better 3rd-party drivers, rather than open-sourcing their in-house drivers

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quink:

I'd really like to find hte lowest power system that could handle HD playback

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wagner:

HD playback, or AVC HD playback?

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quink:

AVC meaning?

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wagner:

h.264

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quink:

Not sure

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quink:

I'm thinking 'generic' hd.

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wagner:

versus broadcast mpeg2

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opello:

advanced video coding

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quink:

My mythtv system doesn't recodr at the moment

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quink:

nor for the foreseable future

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quink:

But i play back a lot of downloaded video and hd stuff

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wagner:

downloaded HD is almost entirely h.264

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quink:

But my system is probably 99.9% idle i want a low power solution

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wagner:

broadcast mpeg2 HD, you can get buy with a cheap amd64 and xvmc

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quink:

It just seems silly that if i know a system is goin to be used almost entirely for video and almost entirely idle that i can't find a low power solution

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wagner:

downloaded mpeg4 HD, your lowest power solution is probably a mobile core 2 system, but thats not going to be cheap

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fryfrog:

my amd64 4200+ X2 plays back x264, and it was pretty cheap

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fryfrog:

quink: modern cpus can throttle themselves back a *lot*

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fryfrog:

they won't be burning a whole lot of power when idle

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quink:

fryfrog: i have a s939 3000+ that still pulls down 110w idle

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quink:

thats a lot.

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quink:

i'm looking for 40w

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quink:

as something reasonable

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wagner:

quink: is that the processor, or the whole machine?

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quink:

whole machine

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quink:

But i do know for a fact that mobil cpu based systems will hit maybe 60w at the most

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wagner:

ok, i doubt youre going to get down to 40W without use a mobile system

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fryfrog:

did you measure that with one of those kill-a-watt things?

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quink:

yeah

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fryfrog:

i should find out how much my server / desktop / etc use

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fryfrog:

where do you get one?

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quink:

don't remember. online...

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wagner:

i think thinkgeek has them

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fryfrog:

ah

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wagner:

ive got one, but i also dont remember from where

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fryfrog:

is it literally "kill-a-watt"?

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wagner:

yes

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quink:

right now my laptop on its docking station + 2 lcd monitors + UPS + router and speakers is using 75w

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AudioV:

amazon has them i think

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quink:

The MOST i've ever seen it(while chargin the battery and being loaded) was 90w

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AudioV:

the kill-a-watt things

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wagner:

i cant believe that

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wagner:

those LCDs should be using 30–40W on their own

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quink:

wagner: dunno what to say. Its a 17" lcd and a 15"lcd

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AudioV:

i hope ATi's drivers improve, it'd be nice to have good support for the 780g

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AudioV:

i'd love to move to a 45w CPU and a 780g

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quink:

Just seems to me, whether it is reasonable or not, that an idle system should consume next to no power

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wagner:

perhaps i was wrong, my 17" uses 20W, my 20" uses 17W

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wagner:

seems backwards actually

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AudioV:

that is kinda weird

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AudioV:

my 20" is supposed to use ~25w i think

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AudioV:

my brother's 24" uses 90w though

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wagner:

my 20" is about half as old as my 17"

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AudioV:

that could make a bit of a difference

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quink:

Trying to consolidate two computers into lower power usage systems.

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quink:

And trying to find a good low power HTPC solution.

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AudioV:

the 24" is newer than mine but also of quite a bit better quality, needs a better backlight i suppose

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quink:

Right now the best i can think of is a intel mobile system

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wagner:

there we go, my old old old POS 17" uses 43W

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AudioV:

ouch!

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wagner:

its also not coming back on after powercycling it

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wagner:

fuck

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wagner:

ok, there it goes

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quink:

Since i have between two computers, two file servers a media pc a web server and whatnot, i was thinking combining file servers in a via epia system then finding a low power mobile system for htpc stuff

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wagner:

well my file server, desktop, and one monitor consume 350W

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quink:

that is insane.

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quink:

At least for here where power isn't cheap

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wagner:

my laptop, printer, two monitors, network switch, speakers, whatever wall-warts consume an extra 130W

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quink:

I've figured, if i drop total power usage to ~60w, i could save about 150$ a year

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quink:

vs the 210w its consuming now(on idle)

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wagner:

that file server is 12 hard drives, plus another three in my desktop

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quink:

thats silly.

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AudioV:

i've got 4 systems running

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quink:

12 hard drives?! Are they all 1TB drives and you need the space?

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quink:

or are the 160gig drives and you are too weird to get larger drives?

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wagner:

8 are my old array, 8x300GB

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wagner:

3 are my new array, 3x750GB

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wagner:

plus boot

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quink:

i guess thats not sobad.

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quink:

Since hard drives are like what, 8–10w each?

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wagner:

idle is somewhere around there

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AudioV:

my laptop which should be pretty little, 1 old PII-400MHz with 2HDDs, sempron 2500+ with 3HDD, athlon64 3200+ with 4 HDDs

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wagner:

load is maybe 12w

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quink:

I'm thinking, since file/web server takes next to no load even if its being hammered i could get by with a via epia

[03:23:44]

quink:

maybe 30w idle/load

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quink:

then get me a core duo mobile mobo and all that, plus 1hdd for my media pc

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quink:

40w idle

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quink:

at most 100w

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quink:

total(for both)

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quink:

puts me at a decent power savings either way.

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jeebusroxors:

can anyone recomend a homebrew usb reciever? do they all work pretty well with lirc?

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quink:

I just wish i could get my PC to sleep while its running mythtv and my IR remote would wake it up.

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wagner:

my two network managers (firewall, and dns/dhcp/asterisk), switches, and ATA are at 23% on their UPS

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quink:

It just seems silly for something that is idle so much to be using this much power.

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wagner:

which is... 124W

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wagner:

thats surprisingly low

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wagner:

1x P3 800MHz, 1x P4 1.8MHz

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quink:

wagner: but look at the big picture and figure how much that is per year :P

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wagner:

although they have piece of crap video cards and hard drives

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quink:

for me going from 110 to 40w is ~80$/year in savings.

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wagner:

all my machines together is roughtly 5MWh/yr

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wagner:

so maybe $400 to run everything all year

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wagner:

power is cheap here

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quink:

Thats a fairly significant amount for 99% of the time doing nothing 'useful'

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wagner:

true

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quink:

Hell, since my pc isn't recording, maybe i'd be better of with a media device

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fryfrog:

there, ordered me a kill-a-watt :)

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wagner:

i could buy a purpose built machine for the firewall, although its pretty low wattage as it is

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wagner:

same for the other network box

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quink:

wagner: my firewall is a wrt-54GS router that runs dd-wrt

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quink:

runs at 10w with a 4port switch

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wagner:

my desktop and server both downclock

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wagner:

i one of those, it doesnt meet my needs

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quink:

What does your firewall do for you?

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wagner:

manage multiple external IPs

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quink:

DD-wrt can.

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justdave:

anyone know why vino-server won't let me connect when livetv is active?

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clever:

quink: ive hooked a desktop and most of my laptops up to a 120 inverter a few times

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wagner:

if i feel like getting deeply into iptables, i suppose i could get it to do so

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clever:

and once(with the desktop) ran the 12v line thru a amp meter

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fryfrog:

mmm <3 dd-wrt :)

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AudioV:

i'd love to get a WRAP board or similar for a router

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justdave:

seems like it didn't used to have this problem until recently... (Ubuntu Hardy)

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clever:

to check how much current it used and guess how long the 12v batery would last

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clever:

making my own ups for a desktop on wheels(tv stand)

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fryfrog:

dd-wrt can use multiple external ips?

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wagner:

dd-wrt cannot, but since it runs linux, you can force it to

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wagner:

outside of the web interface

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fryfrog:

oh, yeah, for sure

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wagner:

you just add interface aliases

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fryfrog:

i just thought you meant via web interface

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quink:

wagner: i was sure the newer versions of it could

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clever:

squidly: but the problem i had, the 12v charger couldnt put out enough current

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clever:

even with it on charge the batery ran down and crashed

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fryfrog:

i got some plastic pegboard at walmart and zip tied velcro straps to it, all my network gear is fixed to it

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justdave:

if I log into the shell and kill mythfrontend then vino connects almost immediately. And once I'm connected I can run mythfrontend again and it works fine

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fryfrog:

very nice :)

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fryfrog:

along with its power

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quink:

well i'm sure i can get my file server onto an ultra low power setup easily

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wagner:

my network gear is ziptied onto the bottom of the AC duct... :P

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clever:

the desktop i used is an old P2 400mhz

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fryfrog:

ahha

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fryfrog:

quink: you could get one of those special purpose NAS boxes

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clever:

my cisco switch is mounted between the studs in an open wall in the furnace room

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fryfrog:

i got my parents a ... uh... "Thecus" something or other

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clever:

a pair of L brackets screwed into the thing

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wagner:

actually, the two boxes, monitor and ups are on a shelf in the basement, the switches and modem are tied to the above duct

[03:34:57]

quink:

any recommendations for those things like apple tv but aren't apple based?

[03:35:03]

clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/desk/desk%20006.jpg dslmodem,oldrouter,linux desktop router

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clever:

furnace in the bg

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/desk2/desk%20006.jpg master backend on bottom

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quink:

something HDD/network based that can play any video format?

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wagner:

check out the mythtv wiki page on UPnP hardware

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fryfrog:

http://fryfrog.com/v/MaryAnn-Donnie/Toys/Computers/aaa.jpg.html

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quink:

a hdd based networked device that does HD output and decodes xvid/divx would be great

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fryfrog:

^^ my first "file server" :)

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clever:

fryfrog: 90% of my file storage is on the master backend

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GreyFoxx:

quin: Google "popcorn hour"

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clever:

the ide bus cant handle anymore so i stuck the 80g drive in a usb enclosure on a slave

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fryfrog:

clever: your server area sure is blurry :p

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quink:

GreyFoxx: good find!

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clever:

half the pics where taken by my cell

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wagner:

yeah, all of my long term storage is on my file server

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clever:

and i wasnt holding the 3mp cam very still most of the time

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fryfrog:

holey shit, that looks awesome!

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quink:

GreyFoxx: have any experience with it?

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clever:

i burn off all my stuff when i get arround to it

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clever:

but i havent burnt much mythtv stuff

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clever:

and its damn fat, 1gig/hour

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GreyFoxx:

quink: Not, just what I read on their site

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GreyFoxx:

sounds like exactly what you want since you aren't recording

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quink:

yeah.

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quink:

Damn att uverse.

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quink:

just doesn't rip DVDs heheh. oh well

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wagner:

thats a horrid mess of wires youve got back there

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

rats nest

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wagner:

thats why i dont take pictures behind my TV... :)

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wagner:

also, what is that bundle of big fat cables?

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clever:

kvm

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fryfrog:

i miss my kvm :(

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clever:

2–3 vga+usb(both in 1) going to the kvm on the desk

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clever:

leads to the 2 desktops and at the time of the pic

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clever:

a laptop with no lcd

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fryfrog:

is yours just a single station kvm?

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wagner:

my kvm is only like half that diameter

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clever:

1 crt/sun keyboard

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clever:

4 computers

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wagner:

the cables are

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i have a 4 station, ... 8–10 computers kvm device

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fryfrog:

but it is vga/ps2 only

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clever:

all the cords going to/from the desk are in a single massive bundle

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fryfrog:

and i finally have 22" WS monitors and want to use DVI :(

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clever:

so i can roll the entire desk out 2 feet to work behind it

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clever:

or spin it 90degres in either direction

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wagner:

right, but i mean the individual cables are huge

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/desk/desk%20001.jpg

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clever:

in here you can see 3 desktops and a laptop

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clever:

all 4 going into the kvm

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/desk/desk%20002.jpg kvm is the thing just above the mouse(click image again to get full size)

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wagner:

you have all this sitting next to your tv?

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clever:

the tv is to the left and several feet away

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/desk2/desk%20006.jpg bottom right corner you can see the vga/usb going into the laptop(off screen)

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/2008-04-14%2000.51.05 the last 2 pics give you an idea of where the tv is relative to the desk

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clever:

both taken from the same point

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clever:

ive turned the couch into a desk by simply putting a door on the armrests:P

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clever:

and i can simply lift it onto the footstool when i need to get up

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justdave:

anyone know of a way on either Linux or Mac to edit the track properties of an mkv file without re-encoding the entire thing?

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clever:

ffmpeg and related ones can do lossless transcoding

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clever:

where it just copys the contents of the track(no quality loss)

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clever:

you could then apply the changes while generating the output

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justdave:

basically I have a subtitle track that didn't get a language code set on it

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justdave:

just need to set the language code

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clever:

you can probly tell ffmpeg to copy all tracks and override the language code on that

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wagner:

mkvmerge will do that

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wagner:

part of mkvtoolnix

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justdave:

mkvmerge doesn't fit on my screen, so I can't see what I'm doing to use it

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justdave:

(the window is taller than the 720p screen)

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wagner:

heh... i guess thats a problem

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wagner:

open up a larger vnc server

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wagner:

and then use it to scroll

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justdave:

hmm, yeah, that'd work

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clever:

on linux you can move windows off the edges of screens

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wagner:

or if youre brave, you can do it all from the command line

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clever:

ive seen a ubuntu walkthru for installing from 640x480

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wagner:

clever, you can do the same on windows

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clever:

it explains a gconf-edit setting which lets you move windows past any edge(including top)

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wagner:

but thats only if your window manager lets you move a window from something other than the top edge

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fryfrog:

no wai, a screen bigger than your monitor!

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clever:

and then using alt+drag you can do it without the titlebar

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fryfrog:

impossible!

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kormoc:

wagner, a lot of WM's allow keyboard movement based on accessibility settings.

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clever:

windows compiz and metacity let you alt+space(or right click titlebar/taskbar) for the 'system menu' then under move you can move with the arrow keys

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clever:

windows wont let you move with the mouse when you do that but metacity and compiz do

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wagner:

clever: in windows, you can still move with the mouse. you just have to hit one of the arrow keys first

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clever:

ah

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clever:

its allways reset the window to normal when i hit the left button

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clever:

that was weird

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clever:

vnc totaly stoped updating when i got it moving

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clever:

but output still worked

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wagner:

right, you have to hit an arrow key to put it into 'move' mode, and then the mouse moves the window

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wagner:

clicking the mouse exits 'move' mode

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clever:

ah

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clever:

so your forced to use both the keyboard&mouse:P

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wagner:

well you can use the keyboard alone

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clever:

yeah

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wagner:

however you have to use the keyboard to hit 'alt+space' anyway

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clever:

enless you right click the title or task bar areas

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wagner:

unless you have something you can right click on

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wagner:

right

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clever:

also for some weird reason alt+right click(anywhere in the window) opens that on compiz

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clever:

catches me off guard when it comes up where it shouldnt normaly open

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wagner:

it just grabs any time you hit a metakey

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clever:

yeah

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wagner:

i cant use 'ctrl' on my laptop with vnc

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clever:

i cant alt+drag in vnc

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clever:

wait no

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clever:

shift+drag

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clever:

to select text

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wagner:

its annoying... no ctrl-z, no ctrl-c, but i havent gotten around to fixing it

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clever:

yeah ctrl was totaly dead in vnc for me too

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clever:

im on a diff install now(and posibly diff vnc version/package)

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clever:

now its just shift+mouse problems

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clever:

i suspect it only detects shift when its used with keys

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justdave:

ok, that worked. thanks for the tip :)

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clever:

and the mouse code doesnt detect keyboard modifiers

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clever:

and i cant alt+click either because of the move

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clever:

but ctrl and alt are under F8

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clever:

and shift isnt:(

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clever:

recently i got bored

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clever:

the mythweb isnt easy to use from blazer(browser on my cell)

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clever:

so i threw mythfrontend into a 300x300 pixel vnc server

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clever:

perfect to fix on the vnc client of my pda

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wagner:

i need to figure out why gnome isnt working on my server

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wagner:

it runs just fine

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clever:

the bigest problem is that the arrow keys dont work

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wagner:

but the keyboard mapping is off

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wagner:

horribly off

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clever:

ive played with dovrak on my systems

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clever:

the fun part is when a friend who cant touch type comes over

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clever:

even with the keyboard in qwerty mode

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clever:

he cant type a thing

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wagner:

like... even the function an action (backspace, delete, arrows) are broken

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clever:

lol

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clever:

those rarely move between layouts, could be corupt

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wagner:

thats what im thinking

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wagner:

i need to rebuild it

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clever:

add the layout helper to the gnome-panel

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clever:

and add a few like a eng/french keyboard

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wagner:

i tried to do so, but its complaining that it needs a version of glib that doesnt even exist for my OS

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clever:

lol

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wagner:

i dont know how i got it to compile in the first place

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clever:

switch to the packaged gnome:P

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tonyb:

I think I have a faulty tuner (encoder 1 :(). Is there some way I can teach MythTV to always use tuner $x when recording specific channels?

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clever:

tonyb: you can give each tuner its own set of channels

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clever:

and then just delete 1 channel from the bad card

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clever:

i suspect you can also set a tuner in the recording rule

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wagner:

oh, i have 2.20 installed, 2.22 needs the new glib

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tonyb:

clever: ah okay thanks. I'll check that out.

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clever:

wagner: ive also noticed another problem with the vnc viewer

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clever:

if the window is too short

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clever:

it adds a scrollbar to the right

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clever:

which then makes it too narrow and adds one to the bottom

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clever:

but it wont let me make it any wider then the remote screen

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clever:

so i cant ever make it wide enough for the screen+bar

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wagner:

the windows one does, i havent tried it on my laptop though

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clever:

a few times

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wagner:

this is tightvnc, i have no idea how real/ultra/tridia works

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clever:

i ran the windows pro viewer thru wine

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clever:

just to get the scaling features

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clever:

im using realvnc for nearly everything

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clever:

not shure about the linux client

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wagner:

i just found realvnc slow

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clever:

VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1.1 for X – built Sep 10 2007 17:17:04

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ksool:

Does anybody know why my audio would stayon after I stop myth? (It's not recording either.) Card is Brooktree Bt878

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clever:

realvnc on winblows sucks cpu and lags

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clever:

but the Xvnc4 im using on linux is fairly fast

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wagner:

what do you mean the audio stays on?

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clever:

vino/x0vncserver both suck cpu

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wagner:

if its not recording, what is playing?

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ksool:

wagner, I mean, watch tv, exit mythfrontend, and tv audio keeps playing last channel.

[04:19:29]

ksool:

wagner, I can hear the audio when watching live, but it's not recorded.

[04:20:01]

wagner:

do the brooktree cards have audio recording, or do they have to loop through the sound card?

[04:20:04]

clever:

im guessing the audio is going thru the internal loopback

[04:20:21]

clever:

my bt848 has some kind of audio capture but i never even bothered trying to use it

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clever:

i just fed it right from the tuner->soundcard

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ksool:

I have mine running through the soundcard now.

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ksool:

I was under the impression that was the only way it could be done.

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clever:

ksool: try going back to watch tv

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clever:

and pause the video

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clever:

what happens to the audio?

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wagner:

odd that mythtv wouldnt shutdown the tuner after it stopped recording

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ksool:

audio keeps on rolling.

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clever:

unpause

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clever:

its now lost the sync right?

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clever:

several seconds appart

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ksool:

Exactly.

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clever:

exactly what i expected

[04:22:30]

clever:

the audio isnt going thru myth

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clever:

the linein is going right thru the card to lineout

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clever:

no recording/playback

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ksool:

Ok, know how to remedy?

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clever:

mute the linein on the playback volume controls

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ksool:

Done.

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clever:

and properly setup what to get audio from in the tuner setup

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clever:

in mythtv-setup

[04:23:32]

wagner:

my cards all output mpeg, so luckily ive never had to deal with audio

[04:23:52]

clever:

i started with a bt848 video extreme highway

[04:23:59]

clever:

now i have a pvr150

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ksool:

So all I've got in mythtv-setup is "audio device: /dev/dsp"

[04:24:13]

clever:

which also needs an incompabiel .ko that the bt848 also needs

[04:24:19]

clever:

so i cant use both cards at once

[04:24:32]

clever:

and set whcih input on that card to record from(line in:P)

[04:25:56]

ksool:

maybe I'm being thick, I'm not seeing an option to select audio input.

[04:26:24]

clever:

i'll check mine

[04:28:12]

clever:

under input connections

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clever:

dont see anything about audio

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ksool:

So under input connections, I've got television, composite1, s-video, composite3 all from /dev/v4l/video0. No audio.

[04:29:08]

clever:

thats weird

[04:29:13]

clever:

i cant find my audio settings anywhere

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clever:

ive looked everywhere and cant find it:S

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clever:

doesnt make any sense

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clever:

ive gone thru every menu except storage groups 3 times

[04:33:17]

clever:

no audio settings in mythtv-setup1

[04:33:44]

clever:

they are either missing or im blind

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ksool:

So could it be that I've got alsa setup wrong? The docs are making me thing I need an asoundrc file (which I don't have)/

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clever:

i only needed to make my asoundrc when i started using 2 alsa cards

[04:35:50]

clever:

to get some things to use a certain card

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wagner:

i know why everything is messed up, i never reindexed my package tree after grabbing a new one over cvs

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clever:

lol

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clever:

gentoo?

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wagner:

freebsd

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clever:

ah

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wagner:

gentoo does that automatically

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devicenull:

in mythvideo.. is there a way to bring up the imdb search from the normal video list (not the one in settings)?

[04:55:37]

wagner:

not that i know of

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devicenull:

ugh, thats annoying

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AudioV:

mythweb is good for imdb

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wagner:

if youve got too many videos, you can filter them down in the manager

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wagner:

filter by year unknown

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devicenull:

really? I didnt see much on mythweb for it

[04:57:45]

devicenull:

oh

[04:57:50]

devicenull:

mythweb doesnt seem to work well in ff3

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AudioV:

mythweb gives me an imdb button beside every video, click it, it searches, shows a bunch of potentials, if there isn't a match you refine the search or do a manual search and give it the imdb #

[04:58:32]

devicenull:

oh

[04:58:35]

devicenull:

thats not working for me

[04:58:39]

devicenull:

let me try a different browser

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devicenull:

odd

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devicenull:

it doesnt work in IE or FF

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devicenull:

oh, now it does

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wagner:

yeah, the earlier betas had issues, but ive not had a problem with b5

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devicenull:

hmm

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devicenull:

well it works, but it doesnt seem to actually fetch the info from imdb

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devicenull:

my main problem is all my tv shows it can't find for some reason

[05:07:04]

wagner:

actually, there is a reason

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devicenull:

yea, it doesnt like the filename format

[05:07:16]

wagner:

the mythtv grabber is only set up for movies

[05:07:33]

wagner:

it was never designed for tv episodes

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devicenull:

yea, I noticed

[05:07:41]

devicenull:

what I meant was

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devicenull:

when I edit the video # in mythweb, it doesn't go grab the rest of the info using it

[05:08:03]

devicenull:

like it does if I edit the video # in the video manager

[05:08:29]

wagner:

right, well that is a problem with mythweb

[05:08:37]

wagner:

ive not found a solution yet either

[05:08:55]

wagner:

i usually just load up a frontend in a vnc window

[05:09:04]

wagner:

so i have a keyboard and mouse to work with

[05:09:09]

wagner:

rather than using the remote

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devicenull:

I still have a keyboard attached to it, so thats not a huge deal

[05:10:31]

devicenull:

though, with 537 unique episodes, I think I'll look into to automating this first

[05:11:01]

wagner:

yeah, ive been meaning to write an external program for some time

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wagner:

ive got it partially written

[05:11:37]

wagner:

it takes md5 and crc hashes, as well as processing the series, season and episode numbers

[05:11:49]

wagner:

but i havent bothered to figure out how to actually grab data

[05:11:56]

wagner:

or subsequently feed it into mythtv

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devicenull:

I was just going to call the perl script

[05:12:33]

wagner:

i really wanted something outside of mythtv, in its own database

[05:12:39]

wagner:

so the built in stuff wouldnt do

[05:13:52]

devicenull:

well, I figure it's easier to use the built in stuff

[05:14:09]

wagner:

most likely

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venger:

is there a script that allows for manual upgrade of the mythtv schema? i'd like to import a 0.20.2 mysqldump into a 0.21 install which resides on seperate partition and then upgrade the schema – if possible

[05:15:49]

devicenull:

just looking at the filenames, parsing the season/episode numbers is going to be a pain

[05:16:16]

califdreas:

wagner & devicenull: there is a script you may find useful.

[05:16:20]

califdreas:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . rage;#326522

[05:16:22]

devicenull:

oh?

[05:16:57]

devicenull:

hmm

[05:17:12]

wagner:

how useful is tvrage? ive usually just used epguides and tv.com

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califdreas:

I checked tvrage for some random info and found it quite sufficient.

[05:18:51]

devicenull:

hmm

[05:19:00]

devicenull:

looks like I can fairly easily batch call this

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devicenull:

though

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devicenull:

my filenames arent even close to what it wants

[05:20:19]

califdreas:

well, i dont' use the script myself. what does it expect in a filename?

[05:20:22]

wagner:

its a perl script, so you probably just have to rewrite a handful of regular expressions

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devicenull:

it *says* it expects episode.title.format.s01e01.blah.avi

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devicenull:

but it just worked fine for "House 101.avi"

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wagner:

check out function 'getShowDataFromName'

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wagner:

theres a whole series of pre-processing functions that internally modifies the file string into what it wants to process

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califdreas:

well, if I only knew how to do perl scripting :P

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devicenull:

oddly enough

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devicenull:

it asks if I want to add it to the database even if I give it an invalid filename

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devicenull:

hmm

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wagner:

vim takes options at the bottom of a file? i never knew that

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devicenull:

oh it doesnt have database access

[05:27:41]

devicenull:

oh, it doesnt support mythvideo by itself

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devicenull:

hmm

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devicenull:

time to put my mostly nonexistant perl skills to work

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AudioV:

why not use the python imdb script?

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AudioV:

ah, not using imdb, that could be a good reason lol

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AudioV:

i've found a couple of my shows don't do so well on imdb either

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crazy_bus:

how do you delete an individual channel. I read you press the delete key when it's selected in the channels list but that doesn't seem to work for me

[05:45:55]

devicenull:

AudioV: it's buggy for me

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devicenull:

I get unicode errors I havent been bothered to fix, and half the time it returns something totally random

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AudioV:

ah

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AudioV:

i do get random things showing up at times too but since i don't have that many the odd ones that mess up for me i can easily work around it

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fryfrog:

venger: mythbackend will do that, if you haven't seen a response yet

[05:48:02]

fryfrog:

you don't need to do anything, just make backups of the dbs and import the old one

[05:48:18]

fryfrog:

when you start the BE, it'll update your 0.20 scheme to 0.21-whatever you are running

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devicenull:

yea, it pretty much choked on anything that was not a movie

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venger:

fryfrog, yes, i had it successfully upgrade it

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fryfrog:

venger: spiffy :)

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devicenull:

I love linux sometimes

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devicenull:

find /data/TV/House/Season\ 1 | awk -F/ '{print $6}' | xargs --no-run-if-empty -I {} ./ragetvgrab-0.6.pl -video -import {}

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clever:

crazy_bus: hit m(menu)

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crazy_bus:

clever: thanks, I should have mentioned I found it about ten minutes after posting

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directhex:

clever, i think that's good advice in general for myth. if in doubt, press M

[07:45:28]

crazy_bus:

another question. Is there anyway to watch a recorded program as it's being recorded?

[07:46:00]

directhex:

yes

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directhex:

just go to "watch recordings" and watch it

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crazy_bus:

does that play from the start of the recording or live?

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mjj29:

from the start

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crazy_bus:

mjj29: I tried that but it seems to play it live

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justinh:

pfft

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justinh:

very much doubt that

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mjj29:

crazy_bus: didn't when I tried it yesterday

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crazy_bus:

I can only skip ahead now 46 seconds when its being recording for around 40 minutes

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justinh:

pause it & see how far in the recording you are

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mjj29:

can you skip back?

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Dibblah:

crazy_bus: Depends if you have the live commercial flagging option set.

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mjj29:

crazy_bus: yeah, use the general seek fwd/back, not the skip to flag option

[07:52:46]

crazy_bus:

Dibblah: I think I set that to yes. What does it mean

[07:52:49]

Dibblah:

Otherwise the seektable doesn't have info for the recording and all sorts of wierdness abounds.

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justinh:

oh gawd. emails sent out at 6pm on Friday telling the 'good news'. Two very much disliked managers have been promoted to director level

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directhex:

justinh, the dilbert principle works!

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Dibblah:

Means that commercial flagging (and seektable generation) runs at almost-real-time with the recording.

[07:53:47]

Dibblah:

Rather than delaying till the recording completes.

[07:53:54]

Dibblah:

I believe it defaults to on.

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justinh:

I can watch in-progress recordings just fine here

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** Dibblah doesn't see the point of that option. **

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Dibblah:

As can I. But there are some wierd issues when a recording doesn't have a seektable.

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crazy_bus:

so I should set commercial flagging to off, if I want to watch a recording while it's being recorded?

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justinh:

*real* *time* flagging off

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quicksilver:

when a recording does have a seektable, seeking back and forwards is guessed, and sometimes weirdly wrong.

[08:00:59]

quicksilver:

doesn't, I mean.

[08:01:04]

quicksilver:

but it's normally usable.

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justinh:

ooo nice feature. record threshold :)

[08:04:09]

justinh:

why has interactive tv moved into the tv playback osd menu?

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crazy_bus:

it didn't flag any commercials in my test after all that :( Now I'll have to find out how to fix it

[08:05:42]

justinh:

the option is in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

"start auto-advert flagging jobs when the recording starts"

[08:06:17]

justinh:

the recording should have a seektable as it's being recorded – seektable is not the skip/cutlist table

[08:07:17]

Dibblah:

justinh: Not completely sure that applies now.

[08:07:38]

justinh:

I thought they were still separate tables

[08:07:39]

Dibblah:

I know that the seektable entry insertion was causing issues with the scheduler.

[08:07:59]

justinh:

recordedseek & recordedmarkup tables

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Dibblah:

They are, but like I said, I'm not sure :)

[08:08:24]

justinh:

not that commflagging is worth a light in the UK for most people

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Dibblah:

Huh? Not worth setting on fire?

[08:08:52]

justinh:

me, I just use my + button :)

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crazy_bus:

so why wouldn't it flag any commercials when it was turned on?

[08:15:01]

justinh:

maybe it just didn't detect any. it doesn't always work ya know

[08:15:13]

justinh:

barely works at all outside the US/Canada by all accounts

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crazy_bus:

that's sad. It sounded really interesting

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justinh:

video analysis is pretty damn tricky stuff – it needs somebody who knows what they're doing to find ways of detecting patterns in different countries

[08:19:59]

justinh:

but if your ad breaks are pretty much always the same length, just set a playback profile default skip amount to that

[08:19:59]

justinh:

you can even have per-playback group skip amounts

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justinh:

pressing one button is better than having to ffwd :)

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crazy_bus:

I set it to commerical flag and transcode the file to see what those options do. But I get no sort of progress bar. Is there anyway to know how much is done?

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fryfrog:

watch log files

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crazy_bus:

where abouts are the specific logs?

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justinh:

wherever it's configured to save em

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justinh:

usually /var/log/ somewhere

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crazy_bus:

the closest I can find in the log file is 2008-05–12 18:23:18.245 AFD: Opened codec 0x87ccd90, id(MPEG1VIDEO) type(Video)

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justinh:

er.. wow! didn't know mythbackend did its own log filr rotation now

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justinh:

*file

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crazy_bus:

does it encode into the same directory as the recording. As I can't see a transcoded file in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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justinh:

it doesn't keep the original file unless you tell it to

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justinh:

if you opt to keep the original file it gets renamed to .old

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justinh:

er.. $whatever.old

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crazy_bus:

I don't seem to have any old or transcoded file there. Only a 2.1gb .mpg

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directhex:

mpeg1 video? how odd

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justinh:

sometimes I just can't grasp the general level of un-cluedness in here

[08:35:16]

justinh:

or are you expecting avi files to pop out of the transcoder?

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justinh:

in for some disappointment if that's the case

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crazy_bus:

I was expecting a .mp4 to pop out since I set it to mpeg4

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Neeesat:

Hello to all

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Neeesat:

I have just finish my new box and I want to get listings for EPG for NOVA greece. Can anyone help please?

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rm_you:

anyone know if the PCHDTV 5500 does normal TV channels as well as HD? If I bought that could I get rid of my old WinTV PVR150?

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justinh:

crazy_bus: mpeg files can contain a variety of different formats – mpeg1, mpeg2, mpeg4 ... the extension often has FA to do with it

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justinh:

rm_you: forget that idea. software encoding sucks

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tjcarter:

hmm, this is a pretty nice myth-in-a-box: http://www.amamax.com/msimelisoamc.html

[08:41:13]

stuarta:

mpeg is a container not just a format

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rm_you:

yeah, but I only have room in my TV box for one PCI card :/

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** stuarta waves to justinh **

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tjcarter:

Unfortunately, something that integrated has a price to match =(

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justinh:

oyoy stuarta

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rm_you:

and it has a decent processor...

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tjcarter:

but it's the first one of those things I have seen with Linux-friendly specs ;)

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justinh:

rm_you: your choice. don't forget it'll just be a lame one tuner box in that case

[08:41:50]

crazy_bus:

yes but 2.1gb's for 40 minutes at the bitrate I set doesn't sound like a mpeg4

[08:42:09]

justinh:

crazy_bus: so check it out

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justinh:

transcoding doesn't always result in smaller files.. SHOCK!

[08:43:06]

rm_you:

k...

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rm_you:

WinTV PVR150 still the best card out there?

[08:43:31]

stuarta:

yup

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tjcarter:

rm_you: depends.

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justinh:

for analogue TV on linux with mythtv, yup

[08:43:46]

stuarta:

well generally accepted to be

[08:43:50]

rm_you:

yeah

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crazy_bus:

justinh: kaffeine says it's still a mpeg with mpeg2 audio. So it's not a transcoded file

[08:44:05]

tjcarter:

If you want HD though, it won't do it for you

[08:44:09]

directhex:

when's the analog switchoff in yankland?

[08:44:09]

rm_you:

I've loved mine in the past... i'm building a box for my friend now, so just checking up

[08:44:11]

rm_you:

its been a while

[08:44:13]

justinh:

crazy_bus: heh

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tjcarter:

and there are conflicting opinions of the PVR-500

[08:44:34]

tjcarter:

some of us just can't get the -500 tuners to work right, no matter what we do

[08:44:36]

stuarta:

thats just 2x pvr-150

[08:44:45]

tjcarter:

individual -150s work fine though.

[08:44:54]

stuarta:

curious

[08:45:04]

stuarta:

haven't needed them at all

[08:45:25]

** stuarta wonders if anyone is selling freesat HD boxes yet **

[08:45:26]

tjcarter:

stuarta: either input 1 is overdriven or input 2 has more snow than the north pole.

[08:45:40]

stuarta:

:(

[08:45:41]

directhex:

stuarta, argos?

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rm_you:

hrm :/

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tjcarter:

stuarta: solution: feed both inputs s-video and stop worrying about it =D

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** stuarta was about to hit search :) **

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Neeesat:

Anyone using EPG listings for Europe?

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rm_you:

So if I wanted HD and SD on one card... the PCHDTV 5500 is software, so is not good... what about the WinTV HVR cards?

[08:46:19]

justinh:

there are only 2 freesat hd boxes AFAIK stuarta. software still quite beta by all accounts too

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fryfrog:

are there any HD + SD where the SD is mpeg2?

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stuarta:

i should go buy a dvb-s car

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stuarta:

d

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directhex:

http://freesat.co.uk/index.php?page=products. . . . mp;type_id=2

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stuarta:

i gotta a socket on the wall

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directhex:

justinh, 4 according to the freesat wobsite

[08:47:15]

justinh:

seriously retarted idea, freesat – at least the way they're going about it

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tjcarter:

I'm presently looking for a suitable small thing for a diskless FE

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stuarta:

it's not really

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directhex:

argos sells 3

[08:47:44]

justinh:

stuarta: what they're doing to ITV HD? madness

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directhex:

(they don't sell the grundig stb)

[08:48:08]

justinh:

the obsfurcation of the new EPG? lame

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stuarta:

you'll have to excuse me, i've been in hospital since thu, i'm just catching up

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justinh:

stuarta: ITV HD is hidden in some spanked up mheg crap

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directhex:

stuarta, http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNum . . . EFREESAT.htm http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNum . . . EFREESAT.htm http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNum . . . EFREESAT.htm

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directhex:

note: no link is a recommendation of a specific product

[08:50:13]

directhex:

http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/product/444855/HUMAX-FOXSAT-HD

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justinh:

been in hoppytal? oh noes stuarta. all ok now?

[08:50:37]

stuarta:

no, improving however

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stuarta:

infected elbow

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fryfrog:

must have been a *really* bad case of tennis elbo

[08:51:11]

fryfrog:

da-dum-cha

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justinh:

gawd that must've been serious for em to keep you in!

[08:51:23]

stuarta:

yeah

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stuarta:

it spread, so i was in until they got it under control

[08:52:33]

justinh:

well, they gotta get more captive audience for patientline somehow ;)

[08:52:48]

stuarta:

i wasn't paying for tv!!!!

[08:53:33]

stuarta:

fucking annoying cause i had about a weeks worth of tv here to watch

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directhex:

hmmmm....... compare http://www.bushdigital.co.uk/ to http://www.goodmansdigital.co.uk/ to http://www.grundigdigital.co.uk/

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justinh:

bush, grundig or goodmans? jesus talk about hobson's choice

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stuarta:

mwuhahahaha

[08:54:47]

justinh:

stuarta: not that it's very watchable anyway. tidgy fuzzy screens etc

[08:54:52]

stuarta:

they all resolve to the same ip

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stuarta:

justinh: i noticed in the free 1hr

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stuarta:

i did however have a half hour of fun watching it reboot after it crashed

[08:55:43]

directhex:

justinh, or humax

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stuarta:

25mins to load winCE

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justinh:

fucking humax again

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directhex:

justinh, yes!

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stuarta:

another 5 or so to get the software up

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justinh:

so they're top of the pile. means fuck all if they're still shite

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directhex:

justinh, remember, the average consumer thinks humax is great

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stuarta:

there's probably an OEM board in there anyway

[08:56:50]

justinh:

the average consumer wouldn't notice if somebody lobotomised them

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stuarta:

that would do IQ++

[08:57:12]

directhex:

stuarta, even the dimensions are identical. i wonder who the real builder is

[08:57:14]

justinh:

sorry I'm just badly fucked off about those two promotions

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directhex:

which two?

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justinh:

clueless managers to directors

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justinh:

hmm 5 grand a year pay cut to do a braindead job back in the north east and not have to spend £2k a yeaar on fuel.. and cheaper housing up there...

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directhex:

justinh, like i said, it's the dilbert principle. the best place to put clueless people is in management, where they can't cause any damage

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Penfold:

wish that were true

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justinh:

they'll cause even more damage higher up

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justinh:

they're gonna be making strategic decisions. god help us

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justinh:

I've taken positive action about my health... next up is my career

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Dibblah:

You have a career? I just have a job...

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justinh:

that's the point

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justinh:

I don't much care for working here anymore. it's a long way to travel to feel miserable every day

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justinh:

if I can feel miserable closer to home, spending less on travelling, result!

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Neeesat:

Any european site for epg listings?

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justinh:

less money & less time I mean

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justinh:

Neeesat: for Greece? I don't think so

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directhex:

a nice monitor is an appropriate 25th birthday present, right?

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justinh:

directhex: more so than a rampant rabbit, aye

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Neeesat:

hmm, Myth doesn't update the epg from sat soon enough

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justinh:

Neeesat: google for XMLTV greece

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directhex:

justinh, her current rabbit is still working fine

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Neeesat:

ok thanks

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justinh:

directhex: a monitor for a present? depends on your relationship ;)

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Neeesat:

I have found a file 'tv_grab_el' file. How I use that?

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directhex:

well, she's not satisfied anymore. she needs bigger. more inches!

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directhex:

Neeesat, stick it in $PATH

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justinh:

man tv_grab_el ? or tv_grab_el --help ?

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directhex:

Neeesat, and make sure "tv_grab_el --capabilities" returns a bare minimum of "baseline"

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justinh:

or google "tv_grab_el mythtv" :-O

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Neeesat:

When I run ./tv_grab_el --capabilities it gives me a list of: baseline, manualconfig, apiconfig, cache, preferredmethod

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Neeesat:

So I just add the link to the file in mythtv-setup?

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directhex:

that sounds highly complete

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directhex:

Neeesat, you just run mythtv-setup and pick that grabber from the list

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Neeesat:

This is in Device section? Where I set my dvb-s card?

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stuarta:

data sources

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Neeesat:

ok I will do that when I get back home. Thanks

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justinh:

rofl

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Hausberg:

my mythmusic is not showing any visualization after upgrade to ubuntu hardy (and newer version of myth)

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Hausberg:

is there something I can do?

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stuarta:

dance instead?

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justinh:

spark up the bong & stare into space?

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justinh:

I think the default setting is no visuals

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justinh:

you have to make a list of visuals to use now

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justinh:

and avoid projectm cos it's crashy as hell

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Hausberg:

no visuals in mythmusic?

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Hausberg:

where do I activate them?

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justinh:

hmm now think about it. where would you set up settings for mythmusic?

[10:38:18]

Hausberg:

Never mind found it

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Hausberg:

Is there a possibility to make playlists?

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directhex:

how do i shot web?

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Tomas-:

grind it up and freebase it.?

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justinh:

shoot a web? you mean you can't shoot webs out of your wrists? freak!

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justinh:

oh.. *shot*

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justinh:

I walked into a lolcat trap the other day. much bemusement ensued

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justinh:

aha. correct answer.. I dunno lol

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fryfrog:

justinh: what do you do?

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stuarta:

i couldn't translate that either

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justinh:

fryfrog: frequently get pissed off trying to configure PoS prototypes of PoS products we don't have any documentation for

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fryfrog:

Piece of Shit and/or Point of Sale? :)

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justinh:

configure/build/configure&build

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justinh:

the former

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

software products or physical uh, like, electronics products?

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justinh:

physical like uhhh electronics n stuff

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fryfrog:

ah, gotcha

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fryfrog:

don't like it?

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justinh:

started out okay, before we started losing our way & coming up with a totally lame code base & javascript 'enabled' web-browser based UI

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fryfrog:

any products i'd know?

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fryfrog:

well, might know, i should say

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justinh:

cctv dvrs

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fryfrog:

ah, so that'd be a no :)

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justinh:

put it this way, I'm not fully 'on-board' with where I think the products are headed

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justinh:

as in, they just don't seem to be any kind of improvement on what we used to do

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justinh:

as the folks who left have said "we used to make good products that really worked"

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fryfrog:

sucks :/

[11:01:30]

justinh:

yeah well I don't wanna be around when the P45s are posted

[11:01:49]

fryfrog:

those some sort of yearly revenue report?

[11:02:11]

justinh:

p45 – goes hand in hand with being out of work

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fryfrog:

OHHH

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fryfrog:

pink slips?

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justinh:

fryfrog: revenue is great, profits are up on last year. targets woefully off. it's early days for this new stuff

[11:03:44]

fryfrog:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P45_%28tax%29

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directhex:

end of employment tax form, iirc

[11:04:01]

justinh:

an example.. you know when you press a button on a keyboard – you sort of expect something to happen immediately don't you?

[11:04:11]

fryfrog:

yes, for sure

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fryfrog:

i hate when pressing a button lags by even a few mili-seconds

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directhex:

justinh, how bad's the input delay?

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justinh:

like er.. it's kinda like having to wait a few seconds for something to happen is er.. somehow really very bad and should be addressed

[11:04:47]

fryfrog:

laggy ssh session doing irc, i used to see that when i maxed out my bandwidth... very annoying.

[11:05:05]

fryfrog:

and they don't *fix* that shit?

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justinh:

depends on how overloaded the box is

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directhex:

justinh, people buy products like that though. i've used 2 different satnav devices with identical cpu, ram, and gps chip – the tomtom reacts within millicsonconds, the medion had a 4 second input lag

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justinh:

either way it's no fun anymore

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justinh:

how this stuff is gonna be produced I have NO idea. we've been configuring boxes for ages – every one seems different with a different set of hugs it needs

[11:07:12]

justinh:

initialise the flash on one box – all goes well but do it on another & sections of the flashfs are protected... stupid stuff

[11:07:57]

justinh:

spending the best part of a day working around issues when it *should* just involve FTP'ing some files across... it's sanity wrecking

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justinh:

and the manager's "THIS BOX HAS THE WRONG SOFTWARE! YOU FUCKING IDIOT! Didn't you know it needs the (unreleased, unpublished) XYZ version?!"

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fryfrog:

sounds like you need a new job :)

[11:09:45]

justinh:

I'll not go on. might remind other people of their own jobs

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fryfrog:

what do you know and enjoy?

[11:10:21]

directhex:

cake

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directhex:

titties

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stuarta:

beer

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directhex:

perhaps he could get a job making erotic cakes?

[11:10:45]

justinh:

I don't really care so long as it doesn't suck as badly as this – if it was closer to home or where I used to live 150 miles away (so I can move away from Gunchester) it'd be nice

[11:11:28]

directhex:

erotic cakes it is then!

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justinh:

heh

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fryfrog:

man, a job with cake and titties :)

[11:11:59]

fryfrog:

it'd be hard to beat that

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** stuarta ponders that for a bit **

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directhex:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021018h.gif

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fryfrog:

haha

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quicksilver:

what's ironic is that there is now a penny arcade game and apparently it's shit.

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quicksilver:

at least, I think that's ironic.

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fryfrog:

i don't really get what you'd do in a penny arcade game

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fryfrog:

i hope it is a cheap little xbox live arcade thing or something

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justinh:

hey apparently freeshat boxes have network ports

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justinh:

as yet unused but makes yout think...

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directhex:

justinh, yep. mandated for all of 'em

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directhex:

fryfrog, it's an episodic RPG

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fryfrog:

ah

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directhex:

it's not entirelt PA-themed either, it's in a somewhat less real steampunky environment

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Nik_Doof:

semi-ish OT, anyone know where to find a guide on soldering SMD components

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Nik_Doof:

i've got a DVB-S card with a popped cap :/

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justinh:

two 25W soldering irons :)

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PatrickDK:

or a descent hot air gun

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justinh:

whoah!

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justinh:

by 'decent' you mean a proper hot air SMT rework tool I hope

[12:30:13]

justinh:

not the hoofing great big hair-dryer style paint strippers favoured by home xbox360 repairers

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directhex:

justinh, the aim with the 360 is to do enough damage to guarantee a new unit when you return it under warranty!

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PatrickDK:

na

[12:31:47]

PatrickDK:

an adjustable heat setting on it helps

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justinh:

ffs

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PatrickDK:

and some different style end cones

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justinh:

none readily available are ANY use for reworking SMT caps

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Nik_Doof:

so bar a hot air gun, a 25w iron will do right?

[12:32:49]

justinh:

if you continue under the illusion those things are even remotely suitable, well – a new board is quite cheap

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justinh:

Nik_Doof: one will do if you're adept at heating one side, then rapidly swapping to heat the other end – both after applying a little fresh solder

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justinh:

from a home based, inexperienced solderer's perspective, two irons would be best IMHO

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justinh:

assuming you can get your hands on a replacement part of course

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gbee:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12/set_top_virgin_sky/

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Nik_Doof:

justinh: luckly, its a common part

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Nik_Doof:

22uF 16v elect cap

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justinh:

definitely SMD?

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Nik_Doof:

yah

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justinh:

jus checking ;)

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Nik_Doof:

just a bit annoying, got my dish up, wired and ready to go

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Nik_Doof:

and the bloody card pops

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justinh:

gbee: <Voice><Character>Nelson</Character></Voice> HA-HA :)

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Nik_Doof:

haha, nice

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Nik_Doof:

so, when are ebay gonna start taking down the idiot auctions

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AndyCap:

hairy monster?

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justinh:

kinda makes me wonder though... WTF did it have to do with Sky ?

[12:41:42]

justinh:

are the rumours of them being un-hacked greatly exaggerated then?

[12:41:46]

Nik_Doof:

justinh: probably mention of the old 9v battery con

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directhex:

justinh, carsharing

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gbee:

good reason to slap people harder when they want to discuss such things in respect to mythtv

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** justinh uses an inflatable passenger **

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AndyCap:

directhex: is carsharing forbidden as well now? thought they encouraged that

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directhex:

cardsharing, even

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AndyCap:

what with the environment and all.

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Nik_Doof:

gbee: hear hear :)

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justinh:

roger that

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AndyCap:

If you bought a fridge, turned it into a teleportation device and used it to reach into Sainsbury's and nick bottles of beer it *would* be illegal (it'd also be brilliant).

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justinh:

AndyCap: stupid arse, him

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AndyCap:

you mean this isn't a Hacking advisory service?

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justinh:

point being, you don't ever *own* a cable box in the UK

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justinh:

so any hacked box you get is technically stolen

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justinh:

Nik_Doof: and yeah I've reported a few dodgy box sellers on ebay in my time

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Nik_Doof:

i reported some idiot selling a full PVR solution based on myth, he had a big section on how you can get all virgin channels for free by the use of this special software...

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Nik_Doof:

nothing was done by ebay, of course

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justinh:

the '3rd party' stuff is a different matter though. but certainly the 'chipped box' sales are dodgy as feck

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AndyCap:

which reminds me, time too look on ebay for more "mystery auction" scumsuckers

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justinh:

I fucking hate how ebay distance themselves from immoral/illegal activities. "not us guv, we just provide a service". bullshit

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justinh:

and the likes of youtube

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justinh:

moderate the bloody lot of em

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AndyCap:

ah here we go: http://cgi.ebay.com/ipod-Touch-32GB-Mystery-A . . . cmdZViewItem

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justinh:

heh. datacave is down now. wonder how long the others have left

[12:49:52]

Nik_Doof:

wth is that

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AndyCap:

a scam.

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Nik_Doof:

bah how can ebay let crap like that be posted

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Nik_Doof:

bunch of idiots

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justinh:

preying on greedy people is fair game IMHO

[12:51:42]

Nik_Doof:

ebay really has jump the shark

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directhex:

ebay is mostly scammers these days

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justinh:

XBOX360 * for sale (* in 1pt text *poster* )

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AndyCap:

I've yet to get scammed on ebay. but yeah it is a cesspool

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Nik_Doof:

i've been scammed-ish a few times on ebay

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directhex:

justinh, youtube is moderated. fr'example, they removed the account of a vocal anti-scientology protester around the same time they took payment for a large branded church of scientology channel

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Nik_Doof:

faulty hdds en stuff

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AndyCap:

justinh: or how about a Xbox 360 NEW BOX!

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Nik_Doof:

nothing major, or over £15

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gbee:

in other news, PC World is in trouble and may close 200 stores

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justinh:

directhex: I mean vet content before allowing it to be seen. might stop those damn pesky kids capturing murders on their phone cameras & posting them up

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gbee:

news flash, cut you prices!

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gbee:

s/you/your/

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justinh:

that said, youtube isn't the worst though. livelink or something would be that

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Nik_Doof:

I bought a maxtor drive, 250Gb, said it was in working order, was actually nackered. Unlucky for him it was still in warrenty and I got a nice new one via RMA.

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justinh:

there are some things you should never buy 2nd hand

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justinh:

toilet paper & hard disks

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directhex:

gbee, prices aren't the problem, poor choice of hardware and terrible advice are

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justinh:

there's always a risk you'll get burned – that's why I always say never spend money you can't afford to loose

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Nik_Doof:

true, i took the risk as I needed a cheap hdd quickly

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justinh:

*lose, even

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directhex:

gbee, plenty of peopel will pay more for good advice

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AndyCap:

I'd stay away from projector bulbs as well

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AndyCap:

and other perishables.

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directhex:

ham?

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directhex:

don't ebay ham

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stuarta:

eat it

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AndyCap:

haha, what was that mailorder ham place I saw

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justinh:

ham shank (slightly used) only five dowarr

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directhex:

http://www.cvwine.com/hamclub/home.html

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directhex:

ham of the month club

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AndyCap:

wtf?

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justinh:

just had a cracking idea

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justinh:

kids these days, not like back in the day when we had ghettoblasters with a damn good boom.. oh no. tssst tssst tssstt from mobile phone muzak.. soo...

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justinh:

portable amped speaker system with bluetooth with a fuel cell capable of working from White Lightning. Winner!

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directhex:

HFCS. not just for americans anymore!

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gbee:

directhex: depends who you ask, sure their over inflated prices may not be the cause of their current problems but they don't help when people are increasingly comparing high street prices against the internet

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directhex:

gbee, they don't help, that much is true

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justinh:

when mr & mrs Joe Public have already maxxed all their credit cards they just can't spend anymore

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directhex:

but really, there's only so far you can sink a brand. remember, this is the company that re-named all its dixons branches to currys, because currys has a BETTER reputation than dixons

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justinh:

all of DSG were expected to issue a profit warning last week IIRC

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gbee:

justinh: ?? they just get another card!

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directhex:

for that to be possible is terrifying

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gbee:

heh

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justinh:

so er.. do I have anything to worry about? all those spotty little bastards going for jobs at the same time as I am? ;)

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gbee:

have to hand it to Currys, you go in there and their sales staff will be over you like flies (whether you want them or not), Comet on the other hand is the opposite, the sales staff scurry off like cockroaches to find somewhere to hide

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justinh:

John Lewis & all have got it dead right IMHO

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justinh:

they might not be the cheapest but people have the impression it's a better place to spend money on account of their customer service

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directhex:

isn't that what i was just saying

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directhex:

?

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justinh:

not in my window it aint

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gbee:

I think directhex means the bit where he said their customer service was responsible for PC World's downfall, in response to my statement that their prices were at fault

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gbee:

in truth I think it's a bit of both – savy customers who had no need of on-going customer service didn't like the prices and clueless customers wanted better service

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justinh:

I've had to get stuff from DSG stores in the past & it's been known for a till transaction to be moved to an unpopulated area of the shop when I get talking to another customer after hearing the gross untruths their 'sales' staff come out with

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gbee:

I think they'd blame their own problems on their overstocking of vista machines in expectation that the Vista release would result in a sales boom – it didn't

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directhex:

DSGi do *not* train their staff about what they sell

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justinh:

case in point.. an old dear wanted a DAB radio so she could listen to radio3. sales guy was just fecking clueless – he just kept waffling on about how this radio could definitely pick up Kiss, galaxy etc but didn't know about bbc radio 3. ffs where the hell had he been to miss the bbc propaganda?

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justinh:

they ping-ponged for a bit so I approached them & told the old dear the spec. that's when they moved me to another till, mid transaction

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directhex:

DSGi staff are trained to *lie confidently*, not to be informed. if the customer is just as clueless as you, make it up but sound certain about it, to make them feel reassured

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directhex:

the only trainign that happens is occasional paid vendor briefs. mostly from belkin or epson

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justinh:

she ended up not buying from there & she happened to be waiting for somebody outside the shop when I came out, so I told her to get herself along to Kendalls

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gbee:

justinh: I've a habit of loudly discussing with friends how expensive their stuff is and how I could get it 100% cheaper online while standing in the till queue :)

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AndyCap:

justinh: better than being sued for tortious interference. :)

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justinh:

poor old lady got really frustrated though.. it was clearly bothering her that the little fucker plainly wasn't listening

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justinh:

and besides wtf would a 80+ old dear want to listen to galaxy radio for? lol

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directhex:

i worked for DSGi once

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directhex:

i left with 2 formal complaints in my record – both for helping customers

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stuarta:

over qualified when you were 16 i'd expect

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directhex:

stuarta, well, yes, easily.

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directhex:

stuarta, the 2 formal complaints were:

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** stuarta suspects this will be good **

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justinh:

pushy, spotty, arrogant and did I mention PUSHY are the only requirements you need ;)

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directhex:

1) broke the "lie confidently" illusion when someone was selling a PS/2 keyboard for use on a USB-only computer

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directhex:

i corrected them in front of a customer

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justinh:

that's actually trained policy?!

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directhex:

yes!

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stuarta:

that sums up what is wrong with them then

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justinh:

deserve everything coming to them, then

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directhex:

2) sold someone a high end printer/monitor/computer combo with 3 years' extended warranty – as "support" staff, it wasn't my job to sell things, and it was inappropriate of me not to go and grab one of the salesmen who was having a chat by the all-in-one printers

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Lynet:

Shoot in head, stuff with garlic, salt the grave is too good for them in that case.

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justinh:

sounds like one for Nicky Campbell to have a rant about :)

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Dibblah:

Eh? It's policy in any customer facing shop not to contradict directly any of your colleagues.

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Dibblah:

Even if they're dumb.

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directhex:

any anyone who tells you that the sales staff aren't on commission is lying – it's true there's no percentage-based commission, but they get one-off payments for selling specific items (which is why they'll push you towards certain brands a lot of the time, because belkin or epson or logitech are paying them a tenner to flog you a printer)

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stuarta:

it's the lie convincingly bit

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Dibblah:

You have to quietly "update" their information so they can inform the customer of their new knowledge.

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directhex:

and prifit percentages are tracked throughput the day – the guy with the highest profit can expect to take home something nice

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Dibblah:

Extended warranty used to be like that too.

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Dibblah:

Painfully so.

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directhex:

a game or something

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Dibblah:

As in teasing a salesperson with an extended warranty sale was... Most satisfying.

[13:41:16]

directhex:

oh, and don't ask about profit margins on some items

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directhex:

it would make you sad

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Dibblah:

USB cables.

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AndyCap:

monster gold plated usb cables.

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directhex:

Dibblah, 3500%

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Dibblah:

AndyCap: Not even those.

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Dibblah:

With Monster, you pay for the name.

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directhex:

wait, divide by 1 error

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directhex:

97%

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Dibblah:

With DSG, you pay for walking into the shop.

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directhex:

but that's not a problem! i don't mind paying for retail presence, as long as the cost differential is justified!

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directhex:

yeah, own-brand usb cables are definitely 97% profit

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directhex:

belkin are only 50%

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gbee:

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** hashbang <3 the SUPC agreement **

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directhex:

did i mention they tried to stiff me for a few grand in owed back pay when i left?

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hashbang:

insight.com sell all sorts of stuff to staff and students at cost + margin

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justinh:

Lexmark printer only £0.50 ! USB cable not included.. £50

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hashbang:

and the belkin stuff normally has a HEEEUUUGE markup

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AndyCap:

hashbang: the what agreement?

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hashbang:

AndyCap: Southern Universities Purchasing Consortium

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AndyCap:

achaaa. first hit on google even

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hashbang:

gbee: I imagine there wa over 50% margin on that cable you bought even so.

[13:48:08]

gbee:

hashbang: I expect there was :)

[13:48:11]

hashbang:

PC World just exploit their captive market.

[13:48:22]

hashbang:

and, y'know, good luck to 'em.

[13:48:58]

hashbang:

heck, if the spendthrift ways of people prepared to buy £25 cables means they have a store or two in every major town and city, that's worth having

[13:49:03]

gbee:

biggest con right now, are HDMI cables and everyone is in on that game

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hashbang:

PCW may be shit, but they sell a large range of stuff, and if you need something /today/...

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gbee:

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bog1:

hi

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hashbang:

gbee: well, assuming no increase in error rates

[13:49:58]

hashbang:

gbee: but yes, you won't get much argument from me on Cable-Fu.

[13:50:24]

hashbang:

as long as the solder connections are good, the shielding and core are unbroken and the connectors are nice and tight, I'm happy.

[13:50:51]

directhex:

hdmi certified means hdmi certified

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gbee:

hashbang: HDMI cables baring the HDMI logo must all achieve a 1 in a million (billion?) error rate – even the HDMI consortium say you get no practical improvement from a more expensive cable

[13:51:25]

hashbang:

haha, never knew that. Nice one.

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bog1:

I have a Haupauge TV card an I use the module bttv. I got /dev/v4l/video0, so I thought my card should be ok. I tried to test it with xawtv, but i only get for "xawtv -c /dev/v4l/video0" this result: http://pastebin.com/m4f53ad06

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AndyCap:

so you're saying this was a waste of money then? http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20VIDAR . . . 0service.htm

[13:53:33]

justinh:

cable burn-in?!

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gbee:

April Fools in May?

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directhex:

bog1, this is #xawtv ?

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justinh:

ye cannae change the laws of physics, laws of physics, laws of physics.. ye cannae change the laws of physics, Jim !

[13:55:54]

bog1:

directhex: I thought I could help there, because in all howtos I have read it says I should use xawtv to test whether my tv card has been detected properly to work with mythtv

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directhex:

bog1, which video driver are you using?

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AndyCap:

directhex: you're running this on the machine or over ssh or something?

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AndyCap:

sorry bog1

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hashbang:

justinh: uni-directional cables with molecular oxygen-free copper

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justinh:

hashbang: of course!

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ajh:

if you care don't use copper.

[13:59:12]

justinh:

oh yeah. platinum :-\

[13:59:18]

ajh:

No, silver.

[13:59:37]

ajh:

Silver oxide retains the exact same electroconductive properties as silver.

[13:59:39]

justinh:

if you can hear the difference, you need an enema

[13:59:45]

ajh:

New yes.

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justinh:

no, EVER

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justinh:

but hey who am I to judge people who spend $$$$$$$$$$$$ on cables?

[14:00:25]

ajh:

The problem is when copper cables get older they get corrosion in them, which acts like diodes. It has to get pretty bad to hear it but it does happen.

[14:00:36]

ajh:

but, new they all sound the same.

[14:00:58]

ajh:

even lamp cord is fine if you're doing runs <20 meters.

[14:01:06]

justinh:

yup

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bog1:

directhex: It is a WIN TV Express with a bt878 chip

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justinh:

tell that to the 'hi-fi' fraternity though :P

[14:01:54]

ajh:

they take the odd corner case to sell overpriced stuff, but that odd corner case does still happen, poor quality cable still goes green eventually.

[14:02:35]

gbee:

assuming for a moment I accept that it's possible for cables to oxidise badly enough in an average lifespan – would it still not be a saner investment to buy new copper cables every 10 years than pay incredible sums for a silver cable?

[14:02:46]

AndyCap:

ajh: I doubt that mains power propagation speed is a sane corner case though

[14:02:48]

justinh:

ajh: that's just it though – it actually has to have changed colour & stuff :)

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ajh:

depends on your install, I spent the $30 on putting in silver plated when I did my office because it's all in-wall and twisted pair, but not huge and I got a deal.

[14:03:24]

justinh:

gbee: nah. what would hifi journos have to wax lyrical about?

[14:03:30]

gbee:

I've never seen copper cable in plastic sheathing corrode

[14:03:31]

bog1:

directhex: the driver I use is bttv

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ajh:

gbee, I have.

[14:04:04]

justinh:

maybe it's just not humid enough here in the UK :)

[14:04:08]

ajh:

but all these 'bi-wire even if you're not bi-amping' crazies...

[14:04:56]

gbee:

justinh: I think that must be the difference – in the congo I can see it happening, in blighty though .. :)

[14:05:14]

directhex:

bog1, your wintv is a video card? bad opcode errors usually come from bad programming, or bad video drivers

[14:05:25]

ajh:

but then, I buy 'cold' amps because I don't want 'warming' done by my amp, I want it to sound like it was recorded.

[14:05:44]

justinh:

http://www.atlantic2u.com/store/viewproduct.asp?idproduct=7915

[14:05:52]

AndyCap:

bog1: and are you running this on the local machine or over ssh?

[14:06:15]

justinh:

ajh: you mean, no toobs? heh. phillistine!

[14:06:23]

ajh:

Nope, just Bryston.

[14:06:32]

gbee:

WTF? gold plated optical cable? lmao

[14:06:48]

ajh:

I figure for what I'm doing the 20 year warranty amortizes the initial expense just fine.

[14:06:51]

justinh:

gbee: for lower distortion & fings

[14:06:56]

bog1:

AndyCap: local machine

[14:07:11]

AndyCap:

justinh: https://www.forumhifivisual.co.uk/Accessories . . . ___1478.html

[14:07:14]

gbee:

justinh: that's the best laugh I've had all day

[14:07:56]

justinh:

:-O

[14:08:33]

** justinh wonders if any hifi dealers have a conscience **

[14:08:46]

justinh:

.. or if they're also suckers

[14:11:03]

ajh:

Most are utterly clueless.

[14:11:06]

AndyCap:

just like drug dealers, some are users and some are just lacking a conscience

[14:11:46]

bog1:

AndyCap: ok, it starts now when I use the -nodga option and when I switch to pal-nc I get video, but it is just black and white

[14:11:49]

ajh:

Some sell the stuff because the customers buy it, I mean if someone will shell out $200 for a Monster HDMI cable at 30% profit...

[14:12:13]

justinh:

saw a review of a $1500 HDMI cable the other day

[14:12:21]

AndyCap:

bog1: partial success then. :)

[14:12:28]

bog1:

when I change to NTSC there is a huge green overlay over the video so I cant see much

[14:12:41]

bog1:

AndyCap: yes^^

[14:12:49]

justinh:

sounds normal for NTSC, that :P

[14:13:34]

ajh:

Heh, the puppy has decided she only likes lying over the aircon registers in the floor now.

[14:15:04]

ajh:

should be interesting when Summer comes around, she'll demand an air conditioned dog house if she's to stay outside :)

[14:15:37]

gbee:

feck, it's already 3pm? I guess I missed lunch ... thought it was only around 12

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justinh:

wooyeah

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justinh:

hours are down but I'm going at 3.30

[14:17:43]

justinh:

'nuther 10 miles to rack up tonight. add that to the 20 yesterday. coooooooom on!

[14:19:08]

gbee:

I don't think I've done a third of the work I planned, guess I should probably just call this day a loss

[14:19:32]

justinh:

I'd just call it a Monday, gbee

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Neeesat:

How do I add a grabber file in mythtv-setup?

[14:31:27]

Neeesat:

I did that by adding the file in /usr/bin

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armbar:

hello

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armbar:

is nuvexport in svn trunk or is it only avalible as mythextras?

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** justinh goes home **

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bog1:

ok, my card works now, I get different channels in mythtv – but the image is just black and white and has somewhat poor quality

[14:35:55]

Neeesat:

It started retrieving list of available channels. Does it take long for it? Jusr passed 5 min already and it didn't move from 50%

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bog1:

I used PAL-NC

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directhex:

Neeesat, alt-tab to the terminal you spawned mythtv-setup from

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Neeesat:

Oh I see. Thanks

[14:42:18]

MaxeyPad2:

can one of you recommend a good 802.11n PCI or USB wifi adapter for usre with mythtv?

[14:43:16]

directhex:

no, because wireless lacks reliable throughput

[14:43:32]

stuarta:

use wires

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MaxeyPad2:

guys I want to use this to MOVE files to the box

[14:44:10]

MaxeyPad2:

and 802.11n isn't exactly sucky in terms of throughput...although based on what I see I might just do ethernet over power

[14:44:35]

Neeesat:

Done that and I got a message at the end saying: "Your grabber does not provide channel numbers, So you have to set them manually" and it's waiting. Is this correct?

[14:46:04]

kormoc:

MaxeyPad2, I've done EthoP before and it had amazingly crappy speeds down in the low 1 megabytes per seconds

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directhex:

MaxeyPad2, i never said anything about bandwidth, i commented on reliable throughput. wireless transmission does not maintain a consistently high enough level of transfer at any given moment (where wireless often has connections which 'bunch up' or fail to respond for a few seconds then return to normal

[14:46:21]

directhex:

fine for file transfer, but not largely unbuffered streaming

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ajh:

wireless can be fine, put in a couple directional panels and use a free channel, it's when you're oversubscribed in the area to freq space that you get issues.

[14:47:31]

directhex:

or if you own a microwave

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ajh:

oddly I don't see any problem with that here, the main problem is 20 networks visible.

[14:48:02]

Neeesat:

directhex: Whats next after the message above please?

[14:48:37]

directhex:

Neeesat, switch back to mythtv-setup?

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Neeesat:

ok

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Neeesat:

Hmm I have just run "mythfilldatabase --manual" and it stack on Connected to database "mythconverg"

[14:56:09]

Neeesat:

Does it download now?

[15:00:31]

kormoc:

Neeesat, --manual wants you to start piping the xml into it now

[15:00:33]

kormoc:

iirc

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Neeesat:

iirc? IS there a howto for it?

[15:02:24]

kormoc:

If I Recall Correctly

[15:02:56]

kormoc:

not really given it's not really ment to be done that way, typically you'd do --xml (or --xml-file or whatever it is) and pass in the data that way

[15:03:23]

sphery:

Wow. kormoc (and xris) got props on the -users list. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/333856#333856

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rwalker:

Is AMD ever going to release drivers that support XvMC?

[15:03:48]

kormoc:

sphery, ooh, snazzy!

[15:03:59]

sphery:

better, AMD released specs, so we don't need them to release drivers

[15:04:12]

sphery:

(we just need a bunch of people/time to make those drivers :)

[15:05:13]

rwalker:

That would take a lot longer than them just adding support to the current closed drivers

[15:05:49]

rwalker:

It sucks, I got an AMD 780g w/ 4850e proc and can't even play back HD without skipping.. :(

[15:07:53]

directhex:

rwalker, well, here's one way to look at it. how long as xvmc existed? how long have ati's drivers existed? what year is it?

[15:07:59]

sphery:

yeah, unfortunately (fortunately?) XvMC is a much-unloved specification and while some (Intel) have plans to replace it with another, some (me) feel that it and its ilk are best just avoided

[15:08:16]

directhex:

consider also: crossfire; 3000-series support

[15:08:50]

rwalker:

How else would you have the hardware accelerate decoding?

[15:08:58]

sphery:

it's very unlikely that a company would invest time in work on supporting a spec that's limiting and "going by the wayside" (NVIDIA has dropped support for XvMC in all 8x00 series GPU's)

[15:09:07]

sphery:

rwalker: CPU is hardware :)

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GreyFoxx:

spher: They did? I didn't know they dropped it

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sphery:

Basically, I think hardware accelerated is too limiting

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rwalker:

No CPU can decode 1080p x264 currently...

[15:09:36]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: yep. They want us to use the OpenGL stuff.

[15:09:42]

GreyFoxx:

No matter to me, I don't use it, but funny since I just picked up a 8500 heh

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directhex:

rwalker, plenty of CPUs can

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GreyFoxx:

rwalk: My system can player every single test clip I've found

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sphery:

rwalker: not true. need multiple procs/cores and multithreaded decoding support

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** directhex thinks GLSL is the right way to do a lot of this junk. modern GPUs are fine **

[15:10:18]

** sphery agrees with directhex **

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rwalker:

I am currently running a 4850e (Dual core 2.5ghz) and it can't even do HDTV

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sphery:

(because that's software decoding in other hardware)

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directhex:

and GLSL should make it vendor-agnostic as long as there's a fast GPU with 3d support there

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directhex:

rwalker, well, that's because amd cpus are slow

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GreyFoxx:

rwalk: My sempron 2600+ could do HDTV mpeg2, once in a blue moon I'd find one that skipped but that was rare

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sphery:

directhex: and GLSL allows us to maintain control over how it's decoded

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rwalker:

I was going for low power, since this box will be on all the time

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directhex:

rwalker, according to my benchmarking, a 1.8ghz core2 is enough to play the nastiest most demanding HD out there – BBCHD

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GreyFoxx:

my x2 5200 has played everything I've thrown at it

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rwalker:

GreyFoxx, what did you do to get that working?

[15:11:37]

GreyFoxx:

rwa: Which >?

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GreyFoxx:

the sempron?

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sphery:

rwalker: there are various tricks for allowing a "close, but not quite" proc to handle decoding H.264 HDTV. Things like disabling the deblocking filter or using CoreAVC

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directhex:

wabbit! http://www.fascinationst.com/productImages/sku2353.jpg

[15:12:29]

rwalker:

I am running Mythbuntu, added some opengl accelleration to xorg.conf which got it to at least play, but still skips

[15:13:01]

rwalker:

This is just on 1080i (mpeg2)

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sphery:

rwalker: check the -users list archive. There have been many people who have talked about how to handle H.264 HDTV.

[15:13:20]

GreyFoxx:

rwalk: your machine should be able to EASILY handle that

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directhex:

sphery, how many of them say "buy intel"? ;)

[15:13:30]

sphery:

Oh, then much easier (and your proc should handle that without breaking a sweat)

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GreyFoxx:

Assuming drivers and such are setup correctly

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rwalker:

That is what I would have thought

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GreyFoxx:

rwal: Using OpenGL video renderer (which takes more CPU) or the XV-blit ?

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kormoc:

rwalker, make sure that "Use video as time base" is unchecked

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sphery:

directhex (and rwalker ): more importantly, they say, "Don't buy ATI, buy NVIDIA."

[15:14:12]

rwalker:

OpenGL

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directhex:

assuming functional xv and/or gl, which is saying a lot for ati

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Neeesat:

If I try mythfilldatabase --xml-tv_grab_el I get: illegal option: '--xml' (use --help)

[15:14:27]

GreyFoxx:

rwalk: That takes more CPU than standard XV output

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sphery:

rwalker: use Xv (i.e. the unmodified Slim playback profile group)

[15:14:42]

GreyFoxx:

though it should still work, but I would try going to plain XV

[15:14:42]

sphery:

there's no shame in running with Slim on a beefy machine

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rwalker:

Is that going to look as good?

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sphery:

(my new motto in life)

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GreyFoxx:

rwalk: I don't really see a difference myself

[15:15:07]

sphery:

better than skipping frames/pausing, actually

[15:15:23]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, the OSD is 10x nicer with the GL combination, IME

[15:15:29]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, but that's the main diff

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GreyFoxx:

dire: Yeah but I was referring to just the video. I can live with GrayOSD, + XV

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sphery:

directhex: If using an OSD that's > 640x480 (i.e. Metallurgy), that probably doesn't hold true

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rwalker:

On slim it did not look nearly as sharp

[15:16:17]

sphery:

rwalker: then try different deinterlacers

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Neeesat:

directhex: Any idea how to proceed? Lets say I have my tv_grab_el in /usr/bin

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quicksilver:

xv/gl should work fine with the recent ati drivers

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sphery:

rwalker: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

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quicksilver:

where by recent I mean git versions of

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quicksilver:

so there is some compiling to do.

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directhex:

Neeesat, no. just tell mythtv-setup which grabber to use, alt-tab to the grabber & configure it, then switch back to mythtv setup

[15:17:16]

directhex:

Neeesat, i stopped using xmltv a long time ago, so can't help in more detail

[15:17:36]

Neeesat:

ok man I will try thanks

[15:17:51]

rwalker:

So currently I have it set to High Quality, that is ffmpeg and xv, is that not what you are recommending?

[15:17:58]

** sphery hopes that danielk at least took the bounty offered for #5346 **

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sphery:

as from the requester's post, it sounds like paying someone to add non-MPEG support to comskip would have been much more appropriate

[15:22:39]

sphery:

rwalker: HQ isn't too bad, but with your proc, you'd be better off creating your own (as described in the wiki page). Profile group, "Custom", one profile "> 0 0", ffmpeg, xv-blit, softblend, fade on, deints to yadifdoubleprocessdeint with fallback to greedyhdoubleprocessdeint (assuming your display = TV supports the required refresh rate)

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sphery:

rwalker: in other words, your processor can do more than HQ does. (But I /highly/ recommend creating a custom group rather than modifying the examples.)

[15:24:01]

sphery:

"can do" = "should be able to"

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sphery:

rwalker: but you'll have to play with the playback profile configuration to determine just what your hardware can handle

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rwalker:

k

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sphery:

good luck

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darkwizzard:

hey all

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darkwizzard:

can lirc be use to close emu's?

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stuarta:

they are hard enough to catch

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keith4:

uh... is "emu" a typo of "menu"?

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keith4:

or do you actually mean the large, flightless bird?

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zippytech:

has any one here used the x10 mouse remote with myth?

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kormoc:

keith4, he means emulator

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keith4:

ah

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zippytech:

whats the best remote for myth?

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keith4:

darkwizzard: lirc can be used with any program that your write commands for

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kormoc:

zippytech, Microsoft MCE USB Remote

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zippytech:

does is do x10 by any chance?

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gbee:

no

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gbee:

but if you get the right model, it's a beautiful remote, easy to setup and perfect for mythtv

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stuarta:

ah bugger, new xorg segfaults :(

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** stuarta goes back to trawling debian bug reports in text mode **

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gbee:

you can even remove the "Windows image" branding if you are willing to take it apart, but I've not been brave enough to try and remove the "Microsoft" wording on

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zippytech:

i have a good x10 home automation setup running on linux and was going to add it to myth.

[16:52:23]

zippytech:

the remote with home auto would be great

[16:52:43]

zippytech:

is there any setups that can use a univeral remote

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kormoc:

there's the logitech harmony remotes

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zippytech:

how to the interface with myth?

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kormoc:

Grammar?

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zippytech:

lol how do they interface with myth?

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kormoc:

The same as most remotes, via lirc

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zippytech:

where do you get the sensor(s)?

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kormoc:

you can build one or order one

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zippytech:

really

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zippytech:

have a link?

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kormoc:

zippytech, http://lirc.org/ Under Supported Hardware – Home-brew:

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devicenull:

the mce usb remote is better then the remote for my tv :p

[17:01:03]

devicenull:

I can point it anywhere in the room and it still works

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stuarta:

well they've only gone and changed the xorg config in a way that makes the server segfault with an old config

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stuarta:

and apparently upstream can't be arsed fixing it

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stuarta:

way to go

[17:04:46]

stuarta:

donuts

[17:04:59]

** stuarta goes to un-frig his xorg config **

[17:21:06]

sphery:

stuarta: Nice. Guess that's the price we pay for the "flashy" changes that Keith Packard, et. al., wants to add to X.

[17:22:50]

directhex:

stuarta, i keep needing to change my config between x releases

[17:23:21]

directhex:

stuarta, with current x, i've had to revert my mouse to 3-button as it was segfaulting when i tilted the wheel with the better driver

[17:24:07]

** sphery tries do decide between writing support for auto orphan detection and handling (both file and metadata orphans) or building a mailbox post **

[17:24:19]

sphery:

(real-world mailbox post, that is)

[17:26:04]

kormoc:

sphery, have you seen the sun in the past few months? If not, you owe it to your skin to get some sunlight :P

[17:26:23]

keith4:

vitamin D is over-rated

[17:26:33]

keith4:

also, the sun causes skin cancer

[17:26:46]

mjj29:

life causes cancer

[17:27:10]

kormoc:

Zombies are the cure for cancer

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sphery:

kormoc: I do play beach volleyball every Sunday (12 months per year). FL, USA. :)

[17:28:08]

sphery:

I just try not to see the sun too much when it involves work...

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kormoc:

hah, fair 'nuff

[17:33:17]

darkwizzard:

hey all

[17:34:16]

stuarta:

i've made it run

[17:34:21]

stuarta:

same image on both screens

[17:34:44]

darkwizzard:

can some one that used mythgame give me some help?

[17:38:07]

rwalker:

What you need to know darkwizzard?

[17:38:25]

darkwizzard:

how do i get it to killall by remote

[17:38:32]

darkwizzard:

i tried everything

[17:38:39]

rwalker:

You mean from a game controller?

[17:38:49]

rwalker:

Or from a TV style remote?

[17:38:49]

darkwizzard:

yes

[17:38:56]

darkwizzard:

or tv remote

[17:39:00]

darkwizzard:

eighter one

[17:39:16]

kormoc:

darkwizzard, look up lirc's exec statements

[17:39:21]

darkwizzard:

i did

[17:39:26]

rwalker:

The game controller is not pretty, the remote should work with the exit button mapped to esc

[17:39:31]

darkwizzard:

says .lircr

[17:40:00]

darkwizzard:

begin

[17:40:00]

darkwizzard:

prog = irexec

[17:40:00]

darkwizzard:

button = Exit

[17:40:00]

darkwizzard:

repeat = 0

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darkwizzard:

config = xmacro-wrap Escape

[17:40:01]

darkwizzard:

end

[17:40:09]

darkwizzard:

but no go

[17:40:27]

rwalker:

That should work, does it work in the other areas, movie, tv, etc?

[17:40:36]

darkwizzard:

yes

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kormoc:

darkwizzard, Don't paste into the channel, use a paste bin

[17:40:45]

darkwizzard:

just dgen won't kill

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rwalker:

Which emulator? I only play mame

[17:40:59]

darkwizzard:

i have to hit esc on keyboard

[17:41:11]

darkwizzard:

i couldn't get mame to work

[17:41:16]

darkwizzard:

so i had to use dgen

[17:41:45]

rwalker:

I use sdlmame, the exit button exits the game for me

[17:42:15]

rwalker:

Don't see why the exit button on the remote passing esc and hitting esc would work differently...

[17:42:17]

darkwizzard:

how u have it set up like i did

[17:42:32]

rwalker:

Pretty sure, not in front of it right this moment

[17:43:43]

darkwizzard:

so i edit .lircr

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darkwizzard:

in /.lircr right

[17:44:04]

rwalker:

Actually I followed this, which has it a little different

[17:44:06]

rwalker:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_ . . . _Integration

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darkwizzard:

or do i do it in username

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darkwizzard:

i guess i use a keyboard

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rsc-232:

rwalker: are you good with tuners?

[17:55:48]

rwalker:

If you are in the US, I might be able to help...

[17:55:53]

rsc-232:

im in US

[17:55:57]

rwalker:

k

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rsc-232:

i have a Hardware Mpeg2 TV Tuner, Avermedia M150 OEM (Used in Windows MCE Systems)

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rsc-232:

Kubuntu Detects it as ASUS PVR-416

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rsc-232:

According to google thsi is perfectly fine

[17:56:55]

rwalker:

darkwizzard, I picked up a Logitech Mediaboard pro (bluetooth) PS3 keyboard, works great on my Vista MCE, should work just fine on MythTV

[17:57:03]

rsc-232:

darkwizzard left

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rwalker:

k

[17:57:20]

devicenull:

hey has anyone used mythtv with synergy?

[17:57:30]

rsc-232:

ok so.. the tuner works but i get a shitty picture really staticy.. .so i want to you use SVideo

[17:57:37]

rsc-232:

in but i always get a black screen with the osd

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rsc-232:

blah

[17:58:14]

rwalker:

Where are you bringing the signal in on the s-video?

[17:58:15]

rsc-232:

*so i want to use svideo in

[17:58:24]

rwalker:

Cable box?

[17:58:36]

rsc-232:

Sat Box >>>>> SVideo Cable >>>> Tuner Card

[17:58:45]

rwalker:

DirecTV or Dish?

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rsc-232:

Dish

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rsc-232:

Reciever is a ViP211-HD

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rwalker:

k, you need setup the IR blaster to control the box, then set the input to be the svideo

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rsc-232:

i dont have a IR Blaster

[17:59:40]

rwalker:

Do you get any video from the svideo going into a TV?

[17:59:48]

rsc-232:

yes

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rsc-232:

the same hook up

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rwalker:

How you plan on changing the channel on the sat box?

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rsc-232:

works in Windows

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rsc-232:

im using timers for now on the Sat Box

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rwalker:

ah

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rsc-232:

and using Timers on mythtv

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rsc-232:

this is strictly for recording

[18:00:42]

rsc-232:

all TV Viewing will be done Sat >>> A/V Reciver >>> TV

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rwalker:

got a meeting right now, svideo cap is pretty damn simple, should just work

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kormoc:

rsc-232, if you're not gonna view your recordings, why record them?

[18:09:51]

stuarta:

ah, dual head layout sorted out, next step, try myth

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Meto1:

Hi there. Is 800x 600 the minimum resolution for TV?

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GreyFoxx:

Met: No

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GreyFoxx:

But Myth's "default" sdtv resolution is 800x600

[18:14:19]

Meto1:

Ok, thanks

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GreyFoxx:

hehehe

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GreyFoxx:

he always leaves right away :)

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wagner:

apparently i cannot let my raid card spin down my hard drives

[18:16:12]

wagner:

somewhat disappointing because one of the arrays almost never gets used

[18:16:28]

wagner:

whenever i enable that, i get all sort of file system errors

[18:17:00]

wagner:

seems to make the 'feature' worthless

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directhex:

wagner, is your card set to writethru or writeback?

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wagner:

writeback

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wagner:

dont know what the difference is, so i left it to default

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wagner:

writethrough bypasses the onboard memory?

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directhex:

pretty much, yes

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kormoc:

directhex, you sure about that? Cause that's not the standard definition typically used, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache#Operation

[18:36:10]

directhex:

kormoc, well, yeah, if you're gonna readthe full wikipedia article on it, you're right. but for most people, "writethrough happens immediately, writeback stays in cache for a while" is a reasonable way to define it

[18:36:35]

wagner:

so, writethrough only improves read performance

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directhex:

you're right that it doesn't bypass memory completely, but then, what's the point in having a real controller if you're gonna skip emmory?

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kormoc:

wagner, no, write performance is the only thing really affected

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kormoc:

hence the terms starting with write

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kormoc:

directhex, it's more that they define write-through as being blocking and write-back as non-blocking, which is slightly reversed then what you seemed to indicate

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gbee:

back to finding somewhere stocking dvb-S cards for a reasonable price

[19:09:26]

** justinh suspects that with all the freesat furore there'll be a run on them – higher prices too **

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scopeuk:

they do look interesting

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** scopeuk has been ponderign how hard it is to get to talkign to/thru a dvb-s card **

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gbee:

Dibblah: you've got a dvb-s card, no?

[19:10:31]

Dibblah:

I have a few, yes.

[19:10:50]

Dibblah:

dvbshop.<something>

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famicom:

ugh

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famicom:

where exactly does mythtv define the soundcard it uses

[19:11:19]

Dibblah:

http://www.dvbshop.net/index.php/cat/c1_DVB-S . . . 8a2087aa8f9e

[19:11:31]

Dibblah:

Oooh! The USB CI is out...

[19:12:08]

famicom:

that is NICE

[19:12:17]

Nik_Doof:

oooOOooo

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GreyFoxx:

afam: Frontend setup , under General I think

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justinh:

Dibblah: out – check! linux drivers? :(

[19:13:06]

justinh:

Dibblah: how many streams can it decripple at once?

[19:13:10]

Dibblah:

No, but apparently it's just a simple bridge chip.

[19:13:21]

Dibblah:

justinh: I have no idea :)

[19:13:46]

Dibblah:

And have no real plans to use one – Since an NDS CAM doesn't officially exist.

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Nik_Doof:

so, turns out the dvb-s card i got on the cheap has no drivers for linux :(

[19:16:04]

Dibblah:

Nik_Doof: Which card?

[19:16:10]

Nik_Doof:

pentamedia one

[19:16:19]

Nik_Doof:

they went out of business godknows how long ago

[19:16:43]

gbee:

Dibblah: wouldn't happen to know which of those cards is supported with current kernels? :)

[19:16:48]

Nik_Doof:

theres a binary driver but it only runs on 2.4

[19:16:52]

Dibblah:

gbee: http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . dition-.html

[19:17:16]

Dibblah:

AFAIK, it's supported as budget_av, even though it doesn't have any AV ports.

[19:17:33]

gbee:

cool, it's the cheapest one too :)

[19:17:36]

Dibblah:

Otherwise, it's going to be another budget_*

[19:17:46]

stuarta:

Dibblah: you have one of those?

[19:18:02]

Dibblah:

I actually have a Skystar2.

[19:18:23]

Dibblah:

Err... Actually, no – I do have one of those somewhere.

[19:18:57]

Dibblah:

And a few cablestars and a couple of cheapy dvb-t ones.

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keith4:

Nik_Doof: sounds like it's time for a slave backend, running a 2.4 kernel

[19:28:26]

Nik_Doof:

ahh im not that fussed, only cost me £9

[19:28:35]

Nik_Doof:

ill just get a proper card

[19:28:37]

justinh:

£9 ?

[19:28:55]

Nik_Doof:

yup, not too shabby

[19:29:09]

Nik_Doof:

2nd hand of course

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wagner:

so freesat is only available in england? the sats only transmit when theyre over the UK?

[19:30:07]

Nik_Doof:

wagner: its on Astra 2D, the coverage is mostly UK only for that sat

[19:30:36]

Nik_Doof:

but some people in cyprus can pick it up with a huuuuge dish and a bit of effort

[19:30:44]

stuarta:

wagner: they are geostationary sats

[19:31:38]

wagner:

england doesnt get geostationary sats, at best they fly a figure 8 orbit peaking over england

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wagner:

but that still means im out of luck

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justinh:

they can control the beams quite tightly nowadays too :P

[19:32:39]

stuarta:

how do you figure those sats fly figure of 8?

[19:32:41]

justinh:

serves Johnny Foreigner right if you ask me – especially ex-pats

[19:32:59]

stuarta:

naf all on $ky anyway

[19:33:25]

wagner:

geostationary sats are all right above the equator, i guess they can beam it to the side

[19:33:31]

justinh:

never understood why people emigrate only to try & turn wherever they move to into a facsimile of where they left

[19:33:51]

wagner:

but if you want it to be directly overhead, you have to fly a figure 8, crossing at the equator

[19:34:24]

justinh:

only bad weather makes the signals fade so I doubt they're in a fig. 8 orbit

[19:34:54]

stuarta:

okay, so how do you explain that the sats making up the astra group broadcast a different set of channels 24hrs a day

[19:35:10]

stuarta:

ie. each sat has different content

[19:35:18]

stuarta:

and all are available 24hrs

[19:35:19]

justinh:

according to an Astra promo video I've seen they are indeed geostationary & only have enough on board for minor positional corrections

[19:35:48]

Nik_Doof:

ya

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justinh:

so yeah they're prolly just beaming in our direction

[19:36:21]

Nik_Doof:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SES_Astra

[19:36:23]

justinh:

and that Astra info channel would *still* be one of the most interesting channels on there lol

[19:36:25]

Nik_Doof:

seems to answer all

[19:36:42]

Nik_Doof:

justinh: thank god im not the only one to think that

[19:36:51]

wagner:

what justinh said, i didnt know if that was too much deflection to be able to pick up in england if it were equatorial

[19:37:06]

sphery:

gbee: (re: working on your new hardware) we also want you to get back to working on mythui... :)

[19:37:10]

justinh:

found a very very old BSB promo video online a while back. talk about cheesy :D

[19:37:11]

** Nik_Doof remembers watching the Astra channel on analog before the lauch of 1K **

[19:37:35]

justinh:

anybody remember Squarials?

[19:37:52]

Penfold:

unfortunately, yes.

[19:38:11]

justinh:

another superior medium which fell flat on its arse

[19:38:12]

otwin:

all astra satellites are geostationery – wagner: http://www.astra2d.com/reports.htm

[19:38:24]

justinh:

d2MAC << PAL :)

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** Nik_Doof goes to read the BSB wiki page **

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Nik_Doof:

iirc their sat was in a weird orbit

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gbee:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=808585 << Please tell me there are linux drivers :D

[19:41:00]

Nik_Doof:

woah, thats cheap

[19:41:42]

justinh:

heheh very interesting: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e . . . _figures.png

[19:42:05]

gbee:

for a dual tuner very, for a dual dvb-s + dual dvb-t it's impressive

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gbee:

unfortunately it's PCI-E, so won't have linux support :(

[19:42:43]

gbee:

justinh: love it

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justinh:

whee no Via bridge chip to be seen though :)

[19:43:13]

justinh:

gbee: wanna go halves & send one to mkrufky?

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wagner:

stuarta: i was wondering if they were true geostationary, or more similar to this orbit, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tundra_orbit

[19:43:37]

wagner:

but thats been answered

[19:43:39]

wagner:

thanks

[19:44:44]

justinh:

when hardware is that cheap, a small group of people wouldn't miss the cash if donating gear to driver devs

[19:44:45]

otwin:

fyi: http://www.astra2d.com/footprint.htm

[19:45:09]

gbee:

justinh: sure :) hell, if everyone kicked in to a MythTV fund for this sort of stuff ...

[19:45:41]

Dibblah:

ISTR there were legal issues with that pci-e bridge chip.

[19:45:49]

Dibblah:

But I could be wrong.

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gbee:

justinh: where is mkrufky based?

[19:47:01]

wagner:

wow, i thought my ATSC tuner was cheap at $50

[19:47:31]

praet:

sorry to be off topic: How is everyone sending video + audio + ir from a closet to a tv (high res)?

[19:47:32]

justinh:

gbee: can't remember. maybe european – not sure

[19:47:38]

GreyFoxx:

Man, that card looks sweet for the price

[19:47:56]

Dibblah:

It is – If you run Winders.

[19:48:07]

Dibblah:

And don't want encrypted channels.

[19:48:26]

wagner:

praet: usually people have a backend in a closet, and a small frontend by their tv, or just stick the whole machine next to the tv

[19:48:28]

praet:

wagner: 27 GBP = 52$

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Nik_Doof:

shame i dont have pcie in my backend either

[19:49:00]

wagner:

i realize its about the same price, but i get a single tuner

[19:49:06]

wagner:

does that do two or four channels?

[19:49:08]

praet:

i just wallmounted my tv, coax and cat-5 to a closet, and I cant watch it without my myth :/

[19:49:56]

praet:

I was looking at those bal-uns to split the cat5 into rca+ir

[19:50:02]

gbee:

wagner: it's not clear, minimum it does two, either 1xdvb-t & 1xdvb-s or 2xdvb-s or 2xdvb-t

[19:50:04]

Nik_Doof:

mmm it looks like (from the description) it can flip between s or t, but cant run both at the same time

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justinh:

praet: composite is only ever any good for SDTV though

[19:50:16]

wagner:

the tv is outside the closet, the computer is insider the closet? same wall but different sides?

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gbee:

but with multirec that could mean recording from a _lot_ of channels at the same time

[19:51:06]

wagner:

dont expect to run composite (or component) signals over cat5 for much difference

[19:51:16]

wagner:

err... much distance

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praet:

justinh: you are right, also, the 350 coax out is sdtv too right?

[19:51:25]

wagner:

youll get signal loss very quickly

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praet:

its about 20 feet away

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justinh:

doesn't have coax out

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justinh:

composite & svideo

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anykey_:

anyone seen passwd not accepting passwords?

[19:51:44]

praet:

oh

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justinh:

VGA will go over cat5 alright with the right gear either end

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wagner:

VGA is a balanced signal isnt it?

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justinh:

better still, get DVI/HDMI – 20 metres!

[19:52:12]

justinh:

wagner: nope

[19:52:15]

dustybin:

Meet the Immigrants – BBC1 @ 10:30PM, dont forget to record folks :P

[19:52:30]

justinh:

but once converted to balanced, VGA can go for about 100 feet

[19:52:39]

praet:

VGA 15 pin to cat-5 is possible?

[19:52:43]

justinh:

yeah

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sphery:

praet: I have a long VGA cable for video. Audio is speaker wire (my receiver is in the closet with Myth). I use RF for remote, but it's pretty easy to get a long IR receiver cable (or, should be, depending on type of IR receiver).

[19:53:01]

praet:

interesting

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MinDKrime:

anykey_: I have seen that once when using the ! character

[19:53:15]

justinh:

better still, get DVI/HDMI – 20 metres! and if your TV is a flat panel you should be using HDMI/DVI anyway

[19:53:23]

praet:

i could just use speakers and skip the tv itself for that

[19:53:41]

anykey_:

MinDKrime: it's not even reading a password..

[19:53:48]

praet:

its a flat panel, but I only ran cat-5 and coax(rg6?) to the closet

[19:53:53]

MinDKrime:

Oh :( then no sorry

[19:53:55]

sphery:

praet: yeah, the speaker in my TV is only used for XBox 360 (where I don't care for "good" audio)

[19:53:57]

praet:

so thats what i have towork with

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praet:

and the xbox is near the tv.. no problem :)

[19:54:14]

Dibblah:

http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7162_devices

[19:54:18]

Dibblah:

So 4 streams.

[19:54:27]

justinh:

so run HDMI in – it'll be worth the hassle

[19:55:20]

praet:

so dvi off the comp to hdmi?

[19:55:27]

justinh:

anyway, IMHO a slap is in order for forgetting the needs of the myth box :P

[19:55:32]

justinh:

yeah

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gbee:

famicom: which chipset?

[19:56:03]

justinh:

DVI/HDMI can go for more than 15 metres & still meet HDMI certification

[19:56:03]

sphery:

note that VGA will be much better than DVI/HDMI for very long cable runs, though

[19:56:04]

wagner:

are there cheap external boxes that will mux in the audio?

[19:56:06]

famicom:

R610

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justinh:

sphery: see above :)

[19:56:26]

famicom:

it's on a radeon HD2400Pro

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justinh:

wagner: nope

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sphery:

yeah, unlikely that the extra length would be required, but...

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justinh:

depends what you call 'very long'

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gbee:

it's incredible the difference DVI/HDMI makes compared to analogue on my tv – blacks are black with HDMI, they are grey with analogue, same source

[19:57:09]

justinh:

we have 15m HDMI cables at work & they look fine

[19:57:12]

praet:

justinh: i deserve it.. definately locked myself out this time

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justinh:

same Q as 1.5m long cables as far as I can tell

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praet:

those hdmi>cat-5 baluns are 500

[19:58:02]

justinh:

yup

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devicenull:

hey is there a cheap solution to audio/video switchers? I know a couple people I know have what seem to be simple hardware siwtches but I'm not sure if thats going to screw anything up

[19:58:17]

praet:

im better off running hdmi to the basement and back up

[19:58:22]

wagner:

gefen DVI + SPDIV to HDMI... only $300

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gbee:

famicom: mine is an onboard Radeon X1250 (AMD 690G board) – Alsa 1.0.16

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sphery:

The fact that DVI/HDMI are designed using a signalling interface that was designed for coax cables and is actually transmitted on twisted pair means that you can get very poor performance even at distances that should work for DVI/HDMI if you have the wrong equipment (i.e. everything from cable to TMDS tranmitters and TMDS receivers come into play)

[19:58:40]

famicom:

gbee aah

[19:58:41]

famicom:

yeah

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famicom:

thats a different chipset

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devicenull:

I mainly need audio, since I have 4 audio inputs to switch between

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justinh:

sphery: coax & twisted pair are both designed to act like a transmission line – they're very much alike

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Dibblah:

sphery: Eh?

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AudioV:

i need to get a DVI/HDMI switcher, projector only has one digital input :-/

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sphery:

justinh: but it's much harder to properly control impedance on twisted pair

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AudioV:

right now i use mythtv over vga

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Dibblah:

It is not designed for coax.

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Dibblah:

It's LVDS.

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praet:

i am thinking that i can get to the closet by snaking through a stairwell area.. so what is the proper cabling [cpu > dvi > hdmi converter > hdmi cable > tv]

[20:00:41]

Dibblah:

5 differential pairs, each individually shielded.

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wagner:

LVDS/TMDS/whatever are all differential signals (hence the DS)

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wagner:

differential signals are designed for twisted pair

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Dibblah:

... Which is what I said, I believe.

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Dibblah:

praet: Yes, that'll work fine.

[20:02:20]

Dibblah:

It's what I'm doing, except for having 2 DVI -> HDMI converters, one on each end.

[20:02:31]

wagner:

either run separate analog audio, or buy a new video card that can mux in the audio stream

[20:02:37]

praet:

then for the ir/audio, i can use the existing unused cat-5 and coax mix

[20:02:44]

wagner:

buying a box to send the audio over the hdmi isnt worth the cost

[20:02:47]

praet:

wagner: what card?

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praet:

i didnt think there was a card that addedd the audio into hdmi

[20:03:30]

wagner:

most of the descrete HDMI cards have audio inputs

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Dibblah:

Unless you're going to do a proper differential amp on each end, I wouldn't use cat-5 for audio.

[20:03:54]

praet:

Dibblah: so your tv takes dvi in?

[20:04:01]

Dibblah:

Personally, I'd just use digital audio.

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Dibblah:

praet: Yes. Well, it's a projector, but same thing.

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AudioV:

digital coax would run a good length

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Dibblah:

yup.

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AudioV:

optical would too obviously but that'd be rather expensive

[20:04:46]

praet:

Dibblah: the tv only has mono in with hdmi, and stereo rca with composite

[20:05:18]

praet:

im thinking that splitting to speakers will be easier

[20:05:33]

Dibblah:

I have a seperate amp.

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wagner:

the tv only accepts mono over hdmi?

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wagner:

was it designed to act as the center speaker or something?

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AudioV:

wouldn't make much sense to send mono over HDMI still

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praet:

no hdmi with aoudio in stream will be fine, but there is a paired single rca in for audio that is mono

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AudioV:

are you sure it's a mono in, not digital coax in?

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wagner:

there is a single rca for audio which is probably digital (SPDIF)

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wagner:

meaning stereo LPCM, or 5.1 compressed

[20:08:24]

AudioV:

digital coax is an RCA jack

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praet:

im reading the tv manual

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praet:

ah ok

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praet:

i messed up.. its vga(pc cable in) with a single mono audio in, or hdmi + 2 rca in, or composite + 2 rca audio (5 rca jacks), and the digital audio is only out

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directhex:

composite with audio is 3 jacks

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directhex:

component makes 5

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praet:

its going to be a pain to snake a new cable to that closet

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praet:

sorry directhex wrong term

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** praet slaps praet **

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praet:

what is the maximum length of HDMI?

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rsc-232:

2"

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rsc-232:

j/k idk

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rsc-232:

lol

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praet:

ok i think at 24 guage it will not lose signal over 20 feet

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praet:

thanks for the help everyone

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praet:

had to think that through

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wagner:

24-gauge is supposed to go 12–15m, so 40–50ft

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praet:

great :

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wagner:

what resolution are you running at?

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wagner:

category 1 cables are only rated to 1080i, so if you plan on doing p, you need category 2

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praet:

well if im running new cables in the walls I think i'll go for the cat2... im just browsing cablestogo for prices

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sphery:

ille_: famicom may be working on finding out what's causing the segfault issue you're experiencing (though I think he's using fglrx, not ati driver)

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ille_:

sphery: the problem seems with ATI driver and ubuntu package, I've compiled 0.21-fixes and now it works!

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ille_:

sphery: laga, also runs ATI and did not have the problem, so compiling my own version works

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famicom:

ille_ which drivers?

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ille_:

famicom: with ATI driver

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famicom:

the official driver?

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ille_:

famicom: stock ubuntu driver

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famicom:

ok

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famicom:

and what were the errors you were encountering

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ille_:

famicom: segfault in /lib/ld-linux.so.2

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famicom:

card type _ driver package name _ and a link to your xorg.conf pastebin ?

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ille_:

ok, w8

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ille_:

famicom: xvinfo and xorg.conf http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11733/

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famicom:

thanks

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ille_:

famicom: I wounder why a private compilation of myth work but not the ubuntu package.

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famicom:

I'll forward it to the mythtv and mythbuntu devs

[20:36:56]

famicom:

right now im working on a CRM application

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famicom:

and i need some hash first

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sphery:

famicom: his is the backtrace on the -dev list post

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ille_:

I can reply to my own mail on dev-mail list

[20:37:40]

famicom:

oh

[20:37:42]

famicom:

okiez

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famicom:

thansk

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wagner:

famicon: version 114?

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famicom:

of?

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wagner:

the CRM app

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wagner:

.... bad joke...

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famicom:

oh

[20:38:37]

famicom:

geehehehe

[20:39:17]

famicom:

Nah, I just need to automate my aquisition of leads

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devicenull:

hey, how well do the emulators listed in mythgame support being run without a keyboard/mouse

[20:48:07]

devicenull:

I was planning on getting a wireless 360 controller, and I'm wondering about menu navigation

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jams:

any thoughts on why some recordings are listed under watch recordings, but not available for selection with mytharchive?

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** sphery remembers seeing that discussed on -users list **

[21:16:19]

sphery:

Unfortunately, I don't use MythArchive, so I didn't pay much attention

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jams:

sphery- recent discussion ?

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sphery:

recent meaning within the (fast-decaying) limits of my memory

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sphery:

I'm looking to see if I can find it.

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sphery:

I think Paul H responded

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jams:

lets hope so =)

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jams:

sphery- they are listed on the MBE..so I suppose it's a nfs/missing file issue

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sphery:

jams: was just going to suggest that

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sphery:

It seems it needs all the files to be local to the frontend

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sphery:

couldn't find the thread, though

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jams:

normally it would have worked, but the drive mapping on the MBE is a bit messy at the moment

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gbee:

mytharchive requires all files to be local

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jams:

it's said cause i even implmented stuff in mythvantage to stop that from happening. It's the result of my own tinkering

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jams:

said=sad

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jams:

nothing like mounting remote disks under /data/local !

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jams:

yep that worked..thanks sphery & gbee

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jams:

todays problem was brought to you by symlinks and multiple disks

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xris:

hahah. MythTV is listed in the logitech remote setup. slick.

[22:07:43]

directhex:

does it work, though?

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jams:

it's the hauppauge pvr-x50 remote

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jams:

xris- picked up the harmony one?

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xris:

jams: got it for free, but yes...

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xris:

I have a bunch of 15% mail in rebates if anyone wants one.

[22:11:04]

jams:

heh i just purchased one, but doubt i would send in the rebate.

[22:11:46]

jams:

not for sure i have the receipt anymore

[22:11:52]

xris:

up to you. stamp is cheap if you find the receipt.

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xris:

saves about $30

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xris:

depending on what you paid for it

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jams:

thats about right

[22:12:53]

xris:

curious to see what it'll take to get it all set up properly for mythtv

[22:12:58]

xris:

jump points, etc.

[22:13:10]

jams:

found the receipt..it was sitting on top of the "to_trash" pile

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xris:

:)

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jams:

eh i suppose if you don't mind mailing the rebate to me

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xris:

you have my email address?

[22:13:57]

xris:

send me your postal address and I'll send it along

[22:14:09]

jams:

pm your email?

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jams:

so far my remote has been "charging" haven't turned on the windows VM to program it yet

[22:19:01]

xris:

I plugged in for long enough last night to charge. they have a mac client, so no need for windows.

[22:19:09]

xris:

you could always test out that new third-party linux app, too

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jams:

true..even thought about including that linux app in mythvantage, but hasn't happened yet.

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jams:

oh..i should try that mac client. That would be a bit quicker

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devicenull:

so I installed mythgame via the debian package and it doesnt seem to be loaded

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devicenull:

any idea how I can get it to appear in the frontend?

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devicenull:

the docs just say "In MythTV you can configure Mythgame. In the general Settings normally you don't need to change anything. "

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devicenull:

oh

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devicenull:

who would have expected it to be in media library

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ugniuss:

hi

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abarbacci1:

when watching HDTV my channel guide usually freezes up --- anybody else experience this?

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FN2:

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