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Friday, May 9th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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esotericism1:

question: so if I have an old version of my database, a few months out of date, can I update the database so that it gets entries for all my media files that it doesn't have entries for?

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PatrickDK:

sure, if your friend has the shows in his database

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esotericism1:

thats the only way?

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PatrickDK:

pretty much

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Agrajag-:

esotericism1: you can try the myth.rebuilddatabase.pl script

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PatrickDK:

once the eit data is outdated, well

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PatrickDK:

I don't think you can fetch data for the last two months

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Anduin:

esotericism1: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl still does that, you will need to clean things you deleted though (myth.find_orphans.pl for that)

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Agrajag-:

PatrickDK i don't think he's talking about the guide data

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PatrickDK:

he wants to re-insert the guide data for recordings he has files of

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Agrajag-:

esotericism1: by the way, your use of the question mark symbol tells us you're asking a question, you don't need to say "question:"

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PatrickDK:

into the database

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Agrajag-:

PatrickDK: no, he never said anything about guide data

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Agrajag-:

PatrickDK: he just wants his recordings in the db, which is what myth.rebuilddatabase.pl does

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PatrickDK:

ah

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PatrickDK:

by entries, I go by, wants the show data for the recordings re-inserted

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Agrajag-:

yes. that's different from guide data

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esotericism1:

ok

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PatrickDK:

na, guide data and show data are the same

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ajh:

so clearing the EIT cache did nothing t fix things.

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Agrajag-:

PatrickDK: fail.

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PatrickDK:

just exist in different tables

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PatrickDK:

heh, my scripts work well, at inserting data into the guide and recorded shows tables

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PatrickDK:

and they don't fail

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ajh:

actually, it may have worked.

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squish102:

has any1 taken an ubuntu 7 + myth and selected the "upgrade" to 8.04?

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jhulst:

Has anybody used a firewire box with a recent debian install? Did you have to compile the kernel manually?

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TelnetManta:

does anyone know of any instructions for setting up NFS for backend-frontend video sharing?

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ajh:

wow it takes a while to go through and fix every error that logs.

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mattwj2005:

hi everyone :)

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ajh:

OK, Realtime priority would require SUID as root.... which binary?

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ajh:

so far I've set it on both mythfrontend and mythfrontend.rea

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ajh:

l

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mattwj2005:

I have a question....

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mattwj2005:

how long does it take for the program guide to download off of the airwares

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mattwj2005:

I have EIT set up

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ajh:

with active scan and a free channel, not too long

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armbar:

TelnetManta: I don't use ubuntu but this guide has all the needed info http://www.ubuntugeek.com/nfs-server-and-clie . . . -ubuntu.html

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mattwj2005:

yeah I am using QAM over my cable

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ajh:

hrm, no matter what I do, I still seem to have it complain about not being SETUID

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mattwj2005:

right now I have a partial guide :(

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ajh:

is it normal for commflag to also run on the frontend?

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mattwj2005:

ajh how do you do an active scan?

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ajh:

it's in the capture card settings

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mattwj2005:

any idea how I configure that on a HDHomeRun

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ajh:

no clue.

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Dagmar:

ajh: There's more than just the suid bit involved. There is other kernelstuff you have to do.

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ajh:

it was working before when I ran it as my user su'ed

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mattwj2005:

yeah the data is coming in

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mattwj2005:

it is just taking it´s sweet time

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mattwj2005:

:)

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ajh:

ok, so xvmc on sd content with the other things enabled has cpu down to 2%

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ajh:

bob x2 was causing jitter, but onefield looks pretty good.

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ajh:

guess I didn't need as much cpu as I first thought, when I started it was generating a load of 1.8

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kormoc:

load is almost meaningless...

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dustybin:

you expect me to live? ...no mr bond, i expect you to die

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ajh:

load is how much of the cpu is being demanded at a given time, not really meaningless

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Guiri:

hey guys.

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Guiri:

any canadians in here? just moved and I'm wondering what setups work with Roger's digital cable.

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Guiri:

I was thinking about Silicondust HDHomeRun

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Guiri:

at least for over the air broadcasts

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mattwj2005:

Guiri I have a HDHomeRun....no idea if it works in Canada

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ajh:

Well if the PVR-HD gets support, that's what I'd go for.

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Guiri:

yeah. my friend and I are modifying a house and wiring a good mythtv setup for the first time.

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ajh:

Being able to choose what bitrate you want owuld be very nice.

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Guiri:

so I'm just wondering what works with cable boxes, even if just s-video, etc.

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ajh:

anything really, you're just using an IR blaster to control it.

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Guiri:

yeah. I do like the idea of a direct mpeg2 feed through HDHomerun too.

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Guiri:

rather than encoding the signal again

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ajh:

well, the dvb-s direct is fairly large, and transcoding on linux isn't very good.

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ajh:

I'd rather have 3 HD-PVR and 3 tuners than the 3 DVB-S cards in the long run, would be higher quality for less space.

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mattwj2005:

man I wish I could set up a FTA dish

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ajh:

I still have the database errors, if anyone can explain how to fix this it would be very nice. http://pastebin.com/mc81c7df

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Guiri:

ajh what setup do you run?

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ajh:

guiri, nothing that would help you.

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squish102:

can any1 suggest a good theme and where do i find it?

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Dagmar:

ajh: Whichever of the two my*chk binaries that are run _offline_ is the one you have to use

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Dagmar:

Check the man pages of both for which one talks about duplicate key problems

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Dagmar:

I *think* it's myisamchk but I'm not certain

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ajh:

so myisamchk

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ajh:

yeah, what an odd name

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ajh:

so run that on the program table?

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Dagmar:

YEah

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ajh:

ok, thanks.

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Dagmar:

...with mysqld shut down, of course

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ajh:

yep

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Dagmar:

I'd run it on *all* the tables.

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ajh:

I really didn't plan on this taking all day to do.

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Dagmar:

If one is borked, others might be borked as well.

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Dagmar:

It won't take all day unless you have about a gigabyte in your database

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ajh:

heh, no I've been chasing problems all day

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Dagmar:

Well, probably more like 200–400 Gb

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ajh:

might as well run it on all the databases on the machine

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Dagmar:

So get a UPS

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ajh:

wasn't a ups, it was an IP renumbering and I missed one field.

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ajh:

guess I'll wait for an idle backend :)

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darkwizzard:

does anyone know if dgen emu works with lirc

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squish102:

does any1 know how i find the blootube-wide theme?

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squish102:

nvm a simple "sudo apt-get install mythtv-theme-blootube-wide" does it

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Kodiak`:

Hey, its been a while =o

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Kodiak`:

But, I'm having a problem.

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Kodiak`:

my mythbox is recording empty HD shows, but not on every channel

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Kodiak`:

a few of the channels work, the rest dont

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Kodiak`:

all SD channels work though

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Kodiak`:

like i'll go to recorded programs on mythweb, see CSI: Miami, 1 hour, 0bytes

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mattwj2005:

hey Kodiak...how fast is your setup?

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Kodiak`:

AMD 3000+

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hadees:

is there anyway to make mythtv only run 1 of each user job at a time? right now i have it setup to run 2 jobs at once but what keeps happening is the quick commerical flagging jobs get stuck behind the long transcoding jobs.

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mattwj2005:

okay....I had a similar problem with a slow HD box....I dont think it applies in your case

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Kodiak`:

yeah, it used to work fully

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Kodiak`:

then it stopped somehow

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Kodiak`:

i've watched tons of CSI: Miami in HD

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kormoc:

Kodiak`, firewire

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kormoc:

?

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Kodiak`:

what

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kormoc:

are you using firewire to record?

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Kodiak`:

no

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Kodiak`:

PCI cards

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mobrien:

what cards

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Kodiak`:

pcHDTV 5500 for HD

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Kodiak`:

PVR-150 for SD

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mobrien:

what does the backend log say

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Kodiak`:

no clue, havent looked

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mattwj2005:

is it possible you need to rescan the channels?

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mobrien:

yeah i'd agree w/ a rescan

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mobrien:

given some cahnels work

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mobrien:

try that and let us know results

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mattwj2005:

my cable company was moving channels around quite often for a while

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Kodiak`:

oh shit, thats most likely it

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Kodiak`:

i just remembered, i lost a few of the HD channels on the TV that i had to re-scan to find

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Kodiak`:

gotta rescan on the cards too i guess

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tuxd00d:

hadees, there is a way to limit the number of simultaneous tasks on the backend, is that what you are talking about?

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hadees:

tuxd00d, i need to limit each kind of task, right now i get a backup of commerical skipping jobs when ever i have a transcode job running

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hadees:

i have it setup to run more then one job at a time but eventually both jobs end up being transcoding

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darkwizzard:

does anyone know if dgen works with lirc?

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tuxd00d:

hadees: at the moment, I believe your only options is to limit the total number of jobs. I am not aware of any other options.

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tuxd00d:

hadees: however, I don't have much experience in that area

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kormoc:

hadees, there isn't a way to do that other then perhaps setting the commflagging to run realtime, I /think/ it takes it out of the queue that way

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hadees:

no one else has this problem with transcoding?

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hadees:

i'll try the real time thing, hope it works

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Kodiak`:

good thinking, mattwj2005, rescan = fixed

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mattwj2005:

your welcome Kodiak

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mattwj2005:

always glad to help :D

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Kodiak`:

wait, no, fuck

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Kodiak`:

that didnt work

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Kodiak`:

channel 40–1 (fox HD) works now, but 13–1 (CBS) still doesnt

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mattwj2005:

was fox working before the scan?

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tuxd00d:

MythTV 0.21.0–0ubuntu2~gutsy1 (Hauppauge PVR-500, WinTV-Go) , My problem is, after the upgrade to this version, the picture looks like an old TV set on the fritz, the picture does not hold still, any ideas?

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tuxd00d:

for some reason, the picture is better -not perfect- during the TV program, and is really bad during a commercial

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ajh:

looks like the mysql table fix worked, still getting the DTVSM errors though.

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Anduin:

ajh: You should give the DB errors time, they were EIT related, meaning when they do happen should be sporadic

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ajh:

they happened every backend restart though

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ajh:

but here's hoping :)

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ajh:

DTVSM(3) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(8451) desired(529) – do you know what causes that?

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ajh:

the channel still tunes perfectly fine

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devicenull:

hey in the manage videos -> enter video # popup

[04:13:09]

devicenull:

how do I exit it from the remote?

[04:13:18]

devicenull:

enter/ok just bring up the on screen keyboard

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Anduin:

devicenull: escape

[04:14:46]

devicenull:

I cant say my remote has an escape button :p

[04:16:06]

Anduin:

Usually it is mapped, as back or whatever

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devicenull:

yes

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devicenull:

but that doesnt actually save the title

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devicenull:

or number

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kormoc:

ok twice?

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kormoc:

okay on the keyboard and then okay again to save the data?

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devicenull:

brings up the keyboard, then closes

[04:18:31]

devicenull:

if I go to the physical keyboard and hit enter it saves

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Anduin:

devicenull: Shouldn't be a differences, which key is you remote button mapped to?

[04:19:29]

Anduin:

extra r in there somewhere

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devicenull:

I just checked and they are both bound to space

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devicenull:

should be enter I guess?

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Anduin:

Yup

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devicenull:

the default one is odd then :p

[04:20:16]

AudioV:

is it possible to transcode to x264?

[04:20:20]

devicenull:

just "Enter"?

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Anduin:

devicenull: or open a ticket, I can try to fix it

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Anduin:

devicenull: Enter will work

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devicenull:

k

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devicenull:

how difficult would it be to make MythVideo's IMDB search smarter?

[04:25:57]

devicenull:

would I need to modify the perl script that does the search, or the actual plugin/>

[04:26:10]

kormoc:

smarter how?

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devicenull:

well, I have a bunch of files with the format "showname sXXeXX"

[04:26:55]

devicenull:

and it isnt able to find them automatically atm

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Anduin:

the current script doesn't do TV

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AudioV:

my 0.21 seems to pick up a lot of shows in name sXXeXX format when i do it from mythweb

[04:28:34]

kormoc:

I pass in the option to the search to search for tv shows

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AudioV:

i did end up adding some filters to it though so thinks like x264, 720p, etc from the file names though

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AudioV:

*things

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devicenull:

ph

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devicenull:

I should set up mythweb

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devicenull:

probably easier then doing this via remote

[04:30:59]

devicenull:

and.. is there a way to just batch search for all the videos that dont have metadata?

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AudioV:

i've not seen it but it would be rather handy

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devicenull:

the plugins are coded in C++, right?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

most of myth's code is c++

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GreyFoxx:

not counting the libavcodec stuff

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AudioV:

but metadata could be done in any language which has a mysql library

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GreyFoxx:

the imdb lookup stuff is a perl or python script

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devicenull:

oh really?

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devicenull:

hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

not sure which

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Anduin:

both!

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devicenull:

I hate dealing with C++.. but I could probably do it in python

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Anduin:

default one is perl

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GreyFoxx:

Ugh, one of these days I have to write a script to normalize my file naming one of these days

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devicenull:

yea, thats a pain to do

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AudioV:

probably wouldn't be hard to write a batch python script to call the existing imdb python script

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AudioV:

i need to normalize the file naming and move files out of directories, right not i have a bunch of shows where each episode is still in it's own dir which is a pain to navigate

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AudioV:

but i also don't wanna start moving them cause then i would probably lose all the metadata without a script to fix the basenames

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GreyFoxx:

I wrote a perl script to do that

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GreyFoxx:

mvmeta.pl /source/originalname /dest/path

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GreyFoxx:

moves the file and updates the mythvideo tables

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devicenull:

hm, I've got very inconsistent stuff between shows.. some are 1x02, s1e02, 1x02 Title here

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AudioV:

i was probably gonna add the ability to move files to my mythweb interface

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devicenull:

would be a pain to handle

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GreyFoxx:

but I haven't had to use it in a long time since now I organize everything to a permanent home before meta data

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GreyFoxx:

I use title.sXXeXX.ext

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devicenull:

ohh

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devicenull:

imdb.py support TV episodes

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devicenull:

imdb.pl does not

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AudioV:

heh, guess that would explain why it's been working for me then

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GreyFoxx:

For my TV stuff I just care for coverfile icons for the directories :)

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/covers1.jpg http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/covers2.jpg

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devicenull:

lol

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devicenull:

the python one returns 0265965 for each one

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devicenull:

wtf

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AudioV:

are the file names just showname.sXXeXX.ext or is there other stuff in there too?

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AudioV:

other stuff in the names was causing problems for me

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devicenull:

yea it was

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devicenull:

californication 102-caph

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devicenull:

it detected all of them as one weird one

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mattwj2005:

good night all

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AudioV:

i get "The Fuzzy Pink Nightgown" a lot, i just added a list of keywords to remove from string which gets sent to the imdb script in mythweb and now it works quite a bit better

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ajh:

ok, the database errors came back

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Anduin:

ajh: The DB errors are because the EIT changes conflict with existing data

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ajh:

yeah, but why?

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ajh:

and which existing data :)

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Anduin:

ajh: You can determine that by looking at the data in program for that chanid and startime

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ajh:

then remove it?

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ajh:

would the wrong PMT errors be related to that then?

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Anduin:

or better still find what is causing it, the EIT code could likely be made smarter

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ajh:

yeah, that's not likely in the short term.

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Anduin:

I thought bad PMTs usually meant the channel had changed under you, could be wrong, I'm not up on DVB

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ajh:

it's on any tune, it was working fine after doing it for awhile before, I don't recall how I fixed it last time.

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Anduin:

ajh: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/316854 there are probably more, maybe even useful

[05:54:43]

ajh:

yay, great time for firefox to crash and refuse to relaunch

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ajh:

Yeah, I read that link... not sure how to go about figuring out which one it is though.

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ajh:

odd, all the EIT conflicts are for tomorrow.

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ajh:

oh, and the program table isn't in chronological order?

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Anduin:

ajh: if you mean the EIT events, I have no idea, the table itself... no

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ajh:

well some quick searches and it doesn't look like that data is in there

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ajh:

I'll keep looking

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ajh:

what's the ill effect of deleting the wrong line in program? :)

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ajh:

ok, I found one of the entries, nothing odd about it.

[06:19:36]

ajh:

except it's the first one on the given date for a channel

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ajh:

I assume I can remove any entries in the future fairly safely?

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Anduin:

ajh: Looking at the code that inserts the events, the problem is that a program with the same chanid starttime and manualid exists in the program table (it is trying to alter another entry to the same value as the existing one). And yes, you can remove things, it should fill in later

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ajh:

OK, that'll make it easier, thanks.

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ajh:

removing entries in the past would be bad bad bad though right? :)

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Anduin:

bad in that they will not fill again, but older than a day should be magically disappearing anyway (I don't EIT but I can't imagine it is different)

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ajh:

some of these are a week old

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ajh:

but myth doesn't need it for anything? recording name mapping etc?

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ajh:

is just clearing the entire program table an option>

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Anduin:

You can clear and start over, after a scheduler run things should be back to normal (assuming new data). Things that actually record have most of the data in the recorded/oldrecorded rows

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ajh:

I also use the imported program data from the service.

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ajh:

This is mostly for about 30 channels that don't get data in the given lineups

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ajh:

46meg table...

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Anduin:

ajh: You can only clean something that lacks something specific so you don't remove the SD data

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ajh:

heh, too late, I'll re-run fill database :)

[06:32:34]

ajh:

I'll do that next time if it happens again though.

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ajh:

after probably 15 years avoiding learning mysql, figures I'd have to to fix tv. :)

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ajh:

while mythfilldatabase is running I can't maintain a stable connection to the backend, this is probably why with multirec I was getting blank recordings overnight.

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xris:

GreyFoxx: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . re_primer.pl

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xris:

SlicerDicer: ^^^^

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Thomas-_:

WOW.. uptime: 20h 47m, disabling EIT really did help

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Thomas-_:

So I guess I can cancel my order for new server hardware.

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PaulWay:

Anyone got one of the new model DViCO Fusion Digital 4 tuner cards (ID 0fe9:db98) working under Fedora 8?

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PaulWay:

Or know the whereabouts of Chris Pascoe (the DViCO code maintainer)?

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justinh:

anyone ever looked on the linuxtv site before asking in here?

[07:28:39]

justinh:

.. or in their mailing list archives?

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directhex:

linuxwho?

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directhex:

now, how's mythtv driver support coming along? hmm?

[07:30:27]

PaulWay:

justinh: I''ve googled forward, backward and sideways for it, but nothing AFAICS>

[07:30:38]

PaulWay:

And the mythtv mailing list is way too high-volume for me.

[07:31:56]

PaulWay:

And there's nothing in the list archives regarding the new revision of the card.

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justinh:

download a snapshot from hg & grep

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Tomas-:

Anyone seen a generic problem with EIT or could it be bad signal on one or several channels causing my backend crashes?

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justinh:

only way to be sure!

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justinh:

you can't have signal problems on DVB *channels*

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justinh:

it'd be on a transponder/multiplex

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justinh:

and yes both issues can cause problems – EIT & bad signals

[07:38:21]

justinh:

though I have to say when I had issues with my coax connections, mythbackend didn't fall over when I was re-plugging all the connections :)

[07:38:42]

justinh:

even when recordings were in-progress

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justinh:

you try giving a standalone PVR shitty signals & see what happens lol. Sky plus anybody?

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justinh:

and don't forget – with some standalone PVRs you don't just need a good signal for recordings to take place. oh no – you also need a good signal to *watch* recordings. How cool is that?!

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Tomas-:

:p

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directhex:

still bitching about your STB experience?

[07:44:10]

Tomas-:

I hear you about channels/transponders

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directhex:

right, gotta drop the car off for a service

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justinh:

directhex: ah that old wallet lightener

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Tomas-:

I have enabled EIT on only on channels now and use -v none,important,eit

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Tomas-:

one*

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justinh:

I only let EIT work on one of my tuners

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Tomas-:

ahh I have it enabled on all four...

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Tomas-:

I'll fix that also

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Tomas-:

Should EIT be enabled on the logical multirec adapters or just the first one?

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justinh:

it can't be enabled on the logical adapters AFAIK

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justinh:

only on capture cards

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Tomas-:

well.. mythtv-setup did enable it on all cards in cardinput

[07:49:01]

Tomas-:

if it's the dvb_eitscan option that enables it

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Tomas-:

but yeah, the logical ones all point to the same videodevice, so enabling one should be enough

[07:51:09]

justinh:

so er.. dvico have a 4-tuner dvb card now? nice if it'll work

[07:52:57]

justinh:

heh no

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justinh:

just a dual tuner

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justinh:

looks like another PCI-USB bridge & 2 USB tuners job

[07:54:09]

justinh:

same shitty Via USB bridge

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Tomas-:

that suxxs

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justinh:

quite possibly

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justinh:

though AFAIK all the nova-t500 problems have been ironed out now

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** directhex is considering his options for when he gets a dish installed **

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directhex:

how to get dual dvb-t and dual dvb-s when you have only 2 pci slots and a pcie slot available?

[08:09:52]

justinh:

er.. get a proper motherboard

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Tomas-:

See it as a reason to get an additional backend ;)

[08:10:43]

justinh:

or risk major suckage & go for USB DVB-T tuners

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directhex:

it'll be the latter, i think

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directhex:

i can't afford the former. not that it exists

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justinh:

not worth the extra floorspace & power budget, a slave backend

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directhex:

a replacement board would need at least the same features as the current – socket 755, ecc support, and a pci-x slot

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justinh:

heh #ubuntu-mythtv must really be taking all the heat away. almost 2 hours without a word being utterred

[10:18:36]

directhex:

nipples.

[10:22:33]

gbee:

I've been going mad trying to work out whether the Nova-HD-S2 is or isn't currently supported – I've come to the conclusion that it is, but that you really want 2.6.25 for an easy life

[10:22:50]

gbee:

could I find any of this information in the linuxtv wiki? Not a chance ...

[10:23:08]

directhex:

the wiki stagnates a little at times

[10:23:32]

justinh:

heh

[10:23:37]

justinh:

they depend on users updating it

[10:23:38]

gbee:

yeah, I'm disappointed that the devs don't make the small effort needed to keep it current

[10:23:45]

justinh:

devs are busy enough with coding allegedly

[10:23:47]

directhex:

how's the myth wiki?

[10:23:52]

justinh:

still stangant

[10:23:58]

justinh:

er.. stagnant, even

[10:24:08]

** directhex looks at tv cards **

[10:24:13]

justinh:

still waiting for the wiki fairies to update it

[10:24:19]

gbee:

they don't need to mess about with formatting etc, just a "works out of the box with 2.6.25" would be enough

[10:24:34]

gbee:

justinh: really? I thought we were doing pretty well

[10:24:47]

justinh:

still plenty gaps

[10:25:12]

gbee:

well one or two gaps sure, but what information is there should be up to date

[10:25:12]

justinh:

loads of bad style, broken links, links to blogs...

[10:25:15]

directhex:

still half the pages are for 0.18?

[10:25:53]

gbee:

directhex: I can't find any pages for versions prior to 0.21 – but if they are there then let me know and I'll try to get them updated

[10:25:58]

justinh:

if I see one more "what I did" or "what you should do is this" I'll fucking scream

[10:26:27]

gbee:

justinh: yeah, some of the style sucks but at least the information is mostly there

[10:27:23]

justinh:

it's still very easy to tell what's 'official' ;)

[10:28:27]

gbee:

we're it lets us down is on 3rd party info, such details of which GPUs and driver combinations work for tv-out over svideo etc

[10:28:57]

directhex:

what a beast of a card – http://shop.blackgold.tv/product/3540.html

[10:29:24]

gbee:

the ATi info is hopelessly out of date (well was until I started to improve it recently), which is hard to fault because the drivers are making rapid progress, but still it's not a perfect scenario

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[10:30:23]

gbee:

directhex: nice ... wonder if it's like the HVR-4000 though, where you can only use one input at a time?

[10:30:42]

directhex:

gbee, unclear

[10:30:50]

directhex:

gbee, i have an impossible scenario really

[10:30:56]

gbee:

i.e. 2xDVB-T OR DVB-T+DVB-S OR 2xDVB-S

[10:31:39]

directhex:

gbee, i want 2 dvb-t tuners (i.e. to be used simultaneously) PLUS 2 dvb-s tuners (ditto), one of which should have CI

[10:31:58]

gbee:

I'll definately consider one of those if they ever get supported, I was after a PCI-E device until I gave in and bought the Nova-HD

[10:32:00]

rinaldi_:

what port do I have to open if I want to use mythweb over the internet? also would you recommentd tunelling through ssh instead?

[10:32:07]

directhex:

gbee, and i have, um, 2xPCI, 1xPCIe, and 1xPCI-X

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directhex:

gbee, and if i use a non-133mhz pci-x card in that slot, i kill my disk performance

[10:32:58]

gbee:

directhex: yeah, it's tricky – similar situation with requirements and slots here (except for the CI, where instead I've want a PVR-150 or similar)

[10:33:09]

gbee:

ouch

[10:33:26]

gbee:

s/I've/I'd/

[10:34:03]

gbee:

actually, I wouldn't opt for that BG model until they were offering DVB-T2 and DVB-S2

[10:34:28]

directhex:

yeah, lack of s2 is odd

[10:34:42]

directhex:

has myth put any weight behind any of the competing s2 apis yet?

[10:34:51]

gbee:

since both FreeView and FreeSat are going to those standards, probably next year

[10:35:02]

gbee:

directhex: no

[10:35:14]

Dibblah:

There are some unofficial S2 patches.

[10:35:40]

justinh:

freeview is staying dvb-t

[10:35:47]

quicksilver:

justinh: this UK HD OTA they announced last week, is it going to be x264 or mpeg2?

[10:35:48]

justinh:

only the new 'HD' services will be T2

[10:35:54]

justinh:

h.264

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gbee:

hmm, I'd forgotten all about that – crap, wonder if that means I'll be screwed when it comes to this s2 card I've just bought

[10:35:59]

** quicksilver nods **

[10:36:21]

gbee:

justinh: yeah, that's what I meant – it will be a mix of the two

[10:36:24]

Dibblah:

However, ISTR it's only legach S support for S2 – It doesn't actually support recording S2 streams.

[10:36:27]

justinh:

so who's looking forward to all the channels that should be on EIGHT muxes that are only on six, moving onto FIVE muxes?

[10:36:31]

Dibblah:

lecacy, even.

[10:36:53]

Dibblah:

Argh. legacy. Right. This time.

[10:37:27]

gbee:

justinh: it's insane, though at least the BBC et al are fighting ofcom over the issue

[10:37:43]

justinh:

yeah what use it that gonna be?

[10:37:48]

justinh:

fight ofcom. jesus

[10:37:53]

Dibblah:

It's not completely insane, if it was done after the analog switchoff.

[10:38:06]

Dibblah:

But doing it now is a little silly.

[10:38:19]

justinh:

Dibblah: but reducing bitrates further? they're barely even fucking acceptable now ffs

[10:38:32]

justinh:

ahem. feel very strongly about it

[10:38:50]

gbee:

justinh: I'm happy that at least someone is making a noise, even if I know it won't have any effect – better than everyone just bending over

[10:38:54]

Dibblah:

You need to look at freesat, then decide if you want to move to a different country.

[10:38:58]

justinh:

they ignored the public consultation too – or seemingly just cherry picked the stuff they wanted to see

[10:38:58]

directhex:

i've lost confidence in the market. once upon a time, you bought a tv and could watch tv. nowadays, even if you buy a telly with the digital logo on it, there's no promises of whether it'll work in 24 months

[10:39:05]

Dibblah:

(lower bitrates)

[10:39:27]

justinh:

directhex: there IS a guarantee. it'll be out of date as soon as you take it home

[10:39:48]

Dibblah:

Personally, I just want Virgin to start doing IPTV. Multicast, etc.

[10:39:53]

justinh:

Dibblah: freeview bitrates will end up being lower than freeshat

[10:40:01]

justinh:

Dibblah: I just want world peace

[10:40:18]

justinh:

Virgin Media's on-demand stuff is ace – shame about the UI

[10:40:20]

Dibblah:

Meh. World peace is overrated.

[10:40:28]

directhex:

Dibblah, how about they stop it with the abusive copy protectionism on cable instead?

[10:40:31]

Dibblah:

(War is a great money sink)

[10:40:54]

justinh:

they want all their stuff to be on-demand I reckon

[10:41:06]

justinh:

PPV will be the way they & all the IPTV providers go

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Dibblah:

directhex: Yes, and while they're at it they should upgrade to an encryption system that hasn't been fully cracked for 5 years.

[10:41:37]

directhex:

Dibblah, i don't mind encryption, if you have an open platform to use it

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[10:41:46]

justinh:

should, should should. what planet do you live on?

[10:41:55]

Dibblah:

There is an open platform. It's just not legal.

[10:41:59]

rinaldi_:

what port does mythweb use?

[10:42:04]

Dibblah:

80

[10:42:09]

gbee:

I can see that happening actually, especially with the hints that they might be selling off their channels – maybe not 100% PPV, but subscription on-demand in combination with PPV

[10:42:11]

justinh:

rinaldi_: what port have you told it to use?

[10:42:56]

Dibblah:

PPV is not a good model for a cable business.

[10:42:56]

rinaldi_:

justinh: well I have mythbuntu so it set it up automatically. how can i check?

[10:43:03]

justinh:

or to put it better, which port is apache running on? :P

[10:43:10]

Dibblah:

They work because they sell you stuff you _don't_ want to watch.

[10:43:29]

Dibblah:

rinaldi_: What's the problem you're seeing?

[10:43:39]

justinh:

Dibblah: watching what I want to watch when I want to watch.. Sky can't give me that

[10:44:07]

Dibblah:

Eh? Apart from the scarcity of good programming, Sky+ does.

[10:44:20]

directhex:

hm

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rinaldi_:

Dibblah: what I want to do is know the port apache is using. I don't like opening many ports, so I tunnel through ssh. that way I can access mythweb over the internet

[10:44:33]

justinh:

pfft. Sky plus. apart from when it rains/crashes lol

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directhex:

it turns out i DON'T have a spare pcie slot – i put a network card in there, as i was having constant lockups

[10:45:39]

Dibblah:

rinaldi_: By default, it's port 80.

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rinaldi_:

Dibblah: ok il check it out

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directhex:

hm. the linuxtv wiki keeps saying hauppauge cards support CI, but they lack connectors – and the hauppauge CI is USB based

[10:48:36]

justinh:

heh

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directhex:

naughty-ng being merged upstream!

[10:49:20]

justinh:

and mythtv'll support softcams when hell freezes over

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directhex:

;)

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directhex:

it's weird though – it's a usb-based hard ci slot. it still needs a cam – it's not a smartcard reader

[10:50:02]

justinh:

so they're passing the whole stream over.. BLEUGH

[10:50:37]

justinh:

can't see that working well with multirec somehow

[10:51:13]

directhex:

well, quite

[10:53:24]

justinh:

if Virgin ever come up with a box which is fast, with a ui that really doesn't suck donkeys – and is able to do tricks like time-compression.. I might never need mythtv again :)

[10:54:02]

justinh:

need to try watching an ITV show on-demand – just to see if they have ads

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Nik_Doof:

justinh: another one for when hell freezes over then? :)

[10:55:45]

justinh:

the ability for this sort of stuff has been around more than 20 years ffs. WHY has nobody done it?

[10:57:42]

justinh:

maybe in another 10–20 years readily available kit will do half of what mythtv can do. ahhhhh

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** justinh wakes up with a jolt **

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gbee:

justinh: since when has any big business really understood what consumers want?

[11:00:45]

justinh:

hmmm

[11:01:04]

justinh:

yeah I suppose – and when have customers ever stood up & demanded what they really want?

[11:01:36]

justinh:

btw gbee looks like the #mythtv log is open to all & sundry again

[11:02:00]

gbee:

generally people don't see it that way, they assume that what is on the market is the limit of what is possible

[11:02:09]

directhex:

hm

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directhex:

i can't see a way to get what i want entirely internally, and supported

[11:02:25]

justinh:

http://thegrebs.com/irc/mythtv/2008/05/09

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gbee:

ahh ffs, sorry about what I said behind your back justinh

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gbee:

:p

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justinh:

heh

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directhex:

there are no supported pcie dvb-s2 cards

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directhex:

and no dvb-s2 usb cards with CI support

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directhex:

so i've gotta burn a pci slot on that

[11:04:39]

justinh:

why the need for CI?

[11:04:47]

directhex:

dodgy foreign porno on hotbird

[11:04:51]

justinh:

ah

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justinh:

should be a sat called fitbird

[11:05:16]

gbee:

what, you mean I need a CI for that? aww :(

[11:06:00]

justinh:

nah gaaahvnaaaaaaar.. ye just need one of veees mayte! .. (points inside long overcoat)

[11:06:33]

** gbee shudders at the thought of what lurks beneath justinh's overcoat **

[11:07:17]

justinh:

USB sticks containing certain libraries which create virtual DVB devices..

[11:07:44]

** gbee breaths a sigh of relief **

[11:08:00]

justinh:

thought of another reason VM would have to go all on-demand. eliminate piracy to a large extent

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justinh:

sure some people will just piggyback on other folks' streams but I can't imagine it being much fun watching what other folks pause & rewind lol

[11:09:26]

justinh:

then again, folks put up with those skanky unreliable Sportster-laded junk boxes

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gbee:

record that though and it can be edited back to something watchable pretty easily

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rinaldi_:

hmm, ok. I've got mythweb up and running, and I want to stream a recording to my laptop. I downloaded the asx file and opened it with vlc. It asks me for my username and password which I assume is the same as mythweb. I press ok and it just keeps asking me for a password. Totem freezes up when I do it and mplayer says that the resource is not available. The laptop is on the same network

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directhex:

streaming dislikes https, iirc

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rinaldi_:

I disabled https

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rinaldi_:

or rather forced http

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rinaldi_:

directhex: ist says something about a non-ssl installation. do I need that too?

[11:18:10]

directhex:

https == ssl

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rinaldi_:

oh ok :)

[11:20:15]

directhex:

well. partly. it's more complicated than that

[11:20:21]

directhex:

but not relevant here

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rinaldi_:

so i said force http but I get the same problem

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rinaldi_:

directhex: if i did that but got the same problem what else could it be?

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braddd:

hmmm: DataDirect, Error: GrabData: Creating temp post file

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anenigma:

is it possible to get myth to ignore "priority" when deleting, and just always delete oldest shows first?

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anenigma:

i store almost 2 months of recordings, but i lost a recording made today because it had a lower priority than everything else. not a huge loss, but annoying

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justinh:

god, will xavier not effing give up with his lame-ass ideas?

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justinh:

anenigma: you can change the autoexpirey weighting method

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anenigma:

justinh: oh, cool. mythtv-setup i presume?

[13:20:06]

justinh:

nope

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justinh:

utilities/setup > setup > tv settings > general

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anenigma:

ok, thanks :D

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justinh:

the default setting is 'oldest'

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Tomas-:

should be 'delete crap first'

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Tomas-:

i.e. everthing the missus records ;)

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justinh:

how about a 'cut out the middleman' setting? :D

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anenigma:

odd. mine was set to lowest priority

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justinh:

it's easy anyway – just make your own recording group & set it to not expire new recordings. then delete what you watch

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justinh:

then if her crap gets deleted before she's seen it that's her own lookout :P

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Tomas-:

my backend seems to be stable with only one channel using EIT and only one tuner with EIT scanning

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Tomas-:

time to add more channels

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directhex:

service & mot came to £240

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justinh:

LOL @ this PoS here. added another HDD. not gonna use it though – need to ftp in, grab a file, edit the file, put the file back, reboot, let it build a partition, reboot..

[13:49:34]

justinh:

so much for esata being plug in & go

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directhex:

esata is. in principle. os failings are os's prolem

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justinh:

what I meant was "so much for our products being any fucking use"

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directhex:

that's closer the mark

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directhex:

got an ad for a linux sysadmin job in warwick if you prefer

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i_is_cat:

ill take it

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justinh:

warwick? centre of the known universe? heh

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jduggan:

near coventry

[13:54:55]

jduggan:

he's trying to send you to coventry

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i_is_cat:

but they probably dont pay $47 million bi-weekly like my current job :/

[13:55:19]

justinh:

jduggan: the myth community already did that

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jduggan:

uhuh

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jduggan:

justinh: hehe

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justinh:

well, less *send*, more inspire me to move to

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directhex:

it's advertised at 40–46k

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directhex:

which is a bit short really, i_is_cat

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jduggan:

46k for linux sysadmin?

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jduggan:

hmm

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i_is_cat:

ya thats like chump change

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i_is_cat:

i pee 46k every morning when i wake up

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** justinh looks up 'community' in a dictionary.. "a handful of people who give a toss, accompanied by a bunch of whining, ungrateful c***s" **

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jduggan:

uhuh

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justinh:

if anybody's wondering where my Friday mood is – IFSEC is next week

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justinh:

anyway if I move for a new job I want to be moving north not south

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directhex:

warwick IS north!

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directhex:

dangerously so!

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justinh:

north of manchester?

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directhex:

north of civilization

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justinh:

if by 'civilisation' you mean "an area where £200,000 won't even buy you a 1 bedroom hovel"

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justinh:

:D

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gbee:

can't get the audio over HDMI to work, anyone have experience with configuring mythtv/alsa for an ATI HDMI audio?

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i_is_cat:

you dont have optical sound?

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i_is_cat:

run it to a receiver

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i_is_cat:

spdif?

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PatrickDK:

normally, you run the spdif output of the sound card to the video card input

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PatrickDK:

the video card has nothing to do with sound over hdmi

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XLV:

ati cards got a sound chip on the card

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XLV:

so they transfer sound over hdmi that way

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PatrickDK:

yuk, that is ugly

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i_is_cat:

ya i've heard of that, i've got an nvidia board with hdmi on it and i run the sound out through spdif to a receiver and then the speakers in surround

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i_is_cat:

works good for me

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PatrickDK:

more realtek crap

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i_is_cat:

problem im having is with the bitch ass pvr 350 remote

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justinh:

besides some people like not needing a hoofing great big amp & speakers – hell even I use the TV's built-in sound sometimes

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i_is_cat:

cant for the life of me figure out why it outputs a D when you press number buttons during livetv and when you're in the options and go to a text selection box it will add a D to the end of the line, and if you go into the manage recordings and press ANY button it tries to delete the file and asks for confirmation

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i_is_cat:

other than that it works great

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i_is_cat:

its the most bizarre thing

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gbee:

what receiver? :) and I don't reckon having the sound chip on the graphics card is ugly at all, as it happens this is all on-board so I wouldn't notice the difference anyway

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gbee:

but alsa is shit and I can't figure out how to configure the damn thing correctly

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GreyFoxx:

It's funny, we switched to this "better" sound option and it's universally harder for users to use for anything but basic stuff

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gbee:

the tv's built in sound isn't terrible and it's all I've got right now :) If only I can make alsa behave

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GreyFoxx:

configs are more complex, harder to find working examples or documents on

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GreyFoxx:

the also tools themselves are kinda crap

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gbee:

my hatred for alsa runs pretty deep

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, what was the alternative, for non-hwmix cards though?

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, ESD on OSS?

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directhex:

arts?

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GreyFoxx:

direct: my emu10k1 card had hardware mixing back in 99/2000, before that if users REALLY needed it they could have used arts or esd

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GreyFoxx:

but come on, lets be honest, who REALLY needed multiple sounds at once from different apps back then ?

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, but that's it. emu10k1 is pretty much the only open-source driver for a hardware mixed chip, well, ever

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GreyFoxx:

howmany needed to listen to mp3's, watchtv and get beeps and mouseclicks?

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, music plus IM?

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PatrickDK:

what? people use their computers for more than mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

patr: we use to use them for heating units :)

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PatrickDK:

mine used to do that fairly well, till I watercooled it

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, pretty much anything "plus IM" is a decent use case for mixed audio

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GreyFoxx:

pffft, a visual indicator should be sufficient :)

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GreyFoxx:

Now, if you are visually impared I would agree

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GreyFoxx:

cause you need the audible indicators

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directhex:

audio has to be at least interruptable, if not mixable

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directhex:

generally speaking though, audio mixing makes as much sense as multitasking

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GreyFoxx:

What I find funny on modern cards, with alsa. Bringing up alsamixer and have dozens of items to tweak

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GreyFoxx:

most people would be lost

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ferssy:

Hello all, any body know how I programmer my set-top-box with LIRC?

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, there's some terrible naming conventions on alsa mixers. why do they insist on using "IEC958" instead of "Digital Output"?

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gbee:

I don't mind having that sort of control, but they just forgot to implement the basic, easy to use interface for idiots (and me)

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gbee:

I'm giving up on hdmi sound for now, I'll route it seperately to the TV for now :(

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directhex:

"The HDMI audio support for the RV710, RV730, RV740, and RV770 GPUs can be found in the ALSA development tree and a few months down the road in ALSA 1.0.17"

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directhex:

gbee, runnin' svn alsa?

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gbee:

directhex: no, not on that machine at least

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gbee:

might explain it – I was going by forum posts where people claimed to have it working (no mention of devel alsa or the GPU version)

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directhex:

forums suck

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directhex:

really though, why did you buy ati for linux/

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gbee:

directhex: because it works well (well the video side of it)

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gbee:

also because of the lack of nvidia based matx boards with hdmi out

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gbee:

as it happens, the ati tv-out gave me a much better picture than the nvidia, plus it's got a much better overscan/picture adjustment for tv-out

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gbee:

given my experience with it in the last two weeks I can't see myself going back to nvidia in a hurry

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i_is_cat:

my board is nvidia with hdmi out

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i_is_cat:

$92

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i_is_cat:

lspci shows unknown device for everything integrated however on dozens of different distros

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gbee:

i_is_cat: they exist, they just aren't easy to find in the UK and where they do exist they cost a fair bit more and on top of that you've got the more expensive Intel cpu

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i_is_cat:

i think the cpu was 129

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gbee:

i_is_cat: yeah, this board and everything on it just worked, (well except the bloody audio over hdmi ;) )

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devicenull:

how well does mythtv handle fairly low bandwidth connections?

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gbee:

i_is_cat: paid around $110 for the mobo + cpu

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devicenull:

I want to connect a frontend via my (slow) DSL.. would that actually work?

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i_is_cat:

my desktop board im on now is an m2npv-vm no hdmi but it has all other tv out and dvi and vga onboard

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i_is_cat:

not bad gbee

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gbee:

devicenull: doubtful – SD content has too high a bitrate

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gbee:

i_is_cat: fully HD capable (dualcore 2Ghz), so I'm happy with it :)

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i_is_cat:

ya thats a sweet deal for sure :)

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i_is_cat:

wanna talk a sweet deal tho.. i paid $2.95 for this box of fudge

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i_is_cat:

mmmmmm

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devicenull:

hmm

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devicenull:

I thought as much

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gbee:

can't find a suitable phono cable, guess I'm back to alsa from hg

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directhex:

i_is_cat, on a $47m sallary, who cares about fudge deals?

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i_is_cat:

didnt you know rich people are penny pinchers? :P

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i_is_cat:

lol

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i_is_cat:

plus if i really had 47 mil.. bi-weekly.. you'd have some phatter computer shit for sure

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i_is_cat:

i'd personally have like 2 dozen companies dedicated to competing in the low cost hardware with defacto linux install market cuz i'd have enough money to lose if they all bomb

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i_is_cat:

and the developers of my favorite and most used linux apps would crap their pants when they got like 1–2mil donations

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i_is_cat:

wouldnt it be nice if we were all on easy street so we could just sit back and make shit work purely for fun

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wagner:

i sent a 320GB drive into seagate for replacement, and they sent me a 750GB drive in return... weeeeee!!

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wagner:

of course that means that im now out $75 to replace the missing drive in my array

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i_is_cat:

i wonder if maxtor will do that ive got some 300's to rma

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i_is_cat:

wtf

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i_is_cat:

seagate owns maxtor or something?

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directhex:

yes

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directhex:

seagate fans were filled with fear at the news

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i_is_cat:

i have two seagates in my system now a 320 and a 500

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i_is_cat:

and im rma'ing a maxtor now and just noticed the seagate stuff everywhere

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devicenull:

I thought I got a dead drive from segate.. turns out my old computer doesn't support 3.0gbps sata :)

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directhex:

devicenull, there should be a jumper on it to force sata1

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devicenull:

yea

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devicenull:

but I had to run around looking for a jumper since I lost the one it came with

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TalibJayid:

hi friends

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TalibJayid:

anyone using oss4 w/mythtv?

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dramman:

can anyone help me set up lcd on fusion black, or winfast dtv2000h?

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TalibJayid:

im having problems specifying the right mixer device for myth to use to control volume

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Penfold:

dramman: pretty sure there's a pagfe on the MythTV wiki about it

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gbee:

might need that coreavc codec after all, getting prebuffering pauses every 10 seconds, although I'm nowhere near maxed out on both cores :(

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sphery:

TalibJayid: If you have "ALSA:<whatever>" for Audio Output Device, it should be "default", if you have "/dev/dsp*" for Audio Output Device, it should be "/dev/mixer*" (no quotes on either, replace the * with nothing/device number)

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TalibJayid:

sphery: yeah, i tried that:O

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sphery:

Also, make sure you set Mixer Controls to Master or PCM as appropriate.

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TalibJayid:

sphery: that's what i cant figure out for oss4

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sphery:

If your sound card doesn't have a Master control, you should make one.

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Dagmar:

Can one *do* that with OSS?

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TalibJayid:

http://pastebin.ca/1012993

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sphery:

Oh, you're using the new OSS... Don't think we have support for that.

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TalibJayid:

sphery: that's my sound card info

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TalibJayid:

sphery: i have to in order to use my x-fi

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TalibJayid:

i mean, volume works in myth fine, but i can't figure out how to make myth be able to control it

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GreyFoxx:

wow, I didn't know there was an oss4 :)

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sphery:

I think you may have to write in OSS4 support for Myth, then (unless there's a backwards-compatible-with-the-POS-OSS-in-the-kernel mode)

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: I heard that they're fully open sourceing it, too...

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TalibJayid:

sphery: i can control it with gnome mixer controls, etc

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gbee:

something to challenge the craptastic alsa?

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riwevo:

Hi, I'm new to Linux and MythTV so pardon my stupid questions. :-) How do I find out if my video capture card was recognized and install with Linux and is there a GUI way to checking what hardware has been detected and working?

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: which might be interesting politically as (new) OSS is probably a much better design than ALSA (though old OSS is much worse than ALSA)

[19:09:20]

toad___:

i'm having problems with DVD playback ... dmix is definitely working in ALSA, but the first segment of a DVD (pre-menu) has sound, but not later parts. any ideas? i could set an external player?

[19:09:27]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:09:36]

toad___:

riwevo you could try mythtv-setup

[19:09:45]

toad___:

riwevo it will let you add each capture card

[19:09:51]

toad___:

riwevo are these DVB?

[19:10:15]

TalibJayid:

GreyFoxx: do you know what i can do?

[19:10:21]

GreyFoxx:

Tal: Nope

[19:10:27]

TalibJayid:

surely there is a way for myth to be able to control the volume

[19:10:31]

toad___:

is it possible that mythdvd goes direct to OSS emulation despite the rest of myth using alsa?

[19:10:44]

gbee:

toad___: have you chosen the wrong language defaults for audio streams?

[19:10:51]

GreyFoxx:

Tal: Considering we don't have code to support oss4 specifically, you might have to write some patches for it

[19:10:52]

riwevo:

I have a HVR-1600

[19:10:58]

toad___:

gbee good question ... it used to work, but i'll check

[19:11:01]

toad___:

what panel is it in?

[19:11:02]

gbee:

toad___: no, it all uses the same audiooutput code

[19:11:08]

sphery:

TalibJayid: if there are API changes, you'll either have to write the code or just set Myth to not control the audio, then have a script control it.

[19:11:10]

TalibJayid:

GreyFoxx: i guess i just thought i could specify the mixer device in myth ?

[19:11:33]

TalibJayid:

i guess i was just wondering if i had just not chosen the right device yet, or something, as opposed to the support not being there

[19:11:35]

GreyFoxx:

Tal: Obviously it's not compatible with myth's code for dealing with regular oss mixers

[19:12:30]

TelnetManta:

Does anyone know of a way to make the sound louder in mythbuntu? I have the master volume up as high as it will go and I have to turn my amp up to MAX to hear it well.

[19:12:40]

TelnetManta:

erm, mythtv...

[19:13:03]

toad___:

where in all the menus is the option for the default dvd audio language?

[19:13:04]

** sphery wonders if he's talking to himself... **

[19:13:08]

TalibJayid:

GreyFoxx: my other issue is every 20 seconds or so in playback i get a slight video pause. it doesn't occur when playing the same file with gmplayer, and there's no output when it happens

[19:13:30]

toad___:

TelnetManta run alsamixer and try all the different sliders

[19:13:48]

sphery:

TalibJayid: anytime you have audio issues, video issues are almost guaranteed

[19:14:02]

TalibJayid:

sphery: this occurred with a different sound card

[19:14:03]

TalibJayid:

with alsa

[19:14:04]

toad___:

hehe i don't have video issues :)

[19:14:08]

sphery:

(audio issues include not being able to configure a mixer device)

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[19:14:54]

Jinxed-:

Hey is mythtv what I should use if I want to stream dvds/music remotly?

[19:15:18]

GreyFoxx:

jin: Not really no. Assuming you mean over the internet

[19:15:26]

sphery:

Jinxed-: MythTV doesn't do that. MythTV can play DVD's/Music only if it's available locally (i.e. with NFS/CIFS)

[19:15:31]

Jinxed-:

yeah

[19:15:44]

Jinxed-:

oh

[19:15:52]

TalibJayid:

sphery: this was occurring with two other soundcards i had used

[19:15:52]

Jinxed-:

The guys in some other rooms recommonded it

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TalibJayid:

which both used alsa

[19:16:04]

Jinxed-:

What should I use if I want to stream music/videos remotly

[19:16:07]

toad___:

hmmm okay, the dvd playback is definitely using alsa, and mixing works

[19:16:22]

toad___:

so that makes the default audio language the most plausible reason

[19:16:28]

toad___:

where do i set that?

[19:16:34]

Jinxed-:

Like I have a lot of dvd's of mine I want to rip, and be able to watch them when I am on the road

[19:16:49]

sphery:

TalibJayid: could be anything from audio configuration issues to I/O issues to resource issues to ... , each of which require different fixes.

[19:17:06]

TalibJayid:

sphery: i doubt it's audio, as its happened with alsa, oss4, and different soundcards

[19:19:16]

sphery:

Jinxed-: do you really have the upstream bandwidth required to stream a DVD through the Internet (i.e. upstream at your house and downstream at the hotel)? For a 2-hour movie on an 8GiB DVD, that's about 1.2MB/sec.

[19:19:24]

TalibJayid:

sphery: it seems to have started with like a more recent version of myth

[19:19:27]

Dagmar:

Jinxed: Some other project, mainly

[19:19:48]

Dagmar:

This kit isn't meant for remote streaming over "just any old like"

[19:19:53]

Dagmar:

s/like/link/;

[19:20:05]

toad___:

wierd

[19:20:12]

toad___:

the audio only breaks in the menu

[19:20:13]

toad___:

now

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sphery:

TalibJayid: We make it possible to misconfigure audio regardless of the chosen sound system. :) (Though, it's quite possible it could be I/O caused by the network or ..., CPU caused by improper playback profile configuration or ...

[19:20:27]

Jinxed-:

How much would i need to compress them for standard 8mb cable to do it?

[19:20:36]

toad___:

it was breaking for everything except for the first bit ... but now it works once an episode is selected

[19:20:40]

Dagmar:

Jinxed: As much as necessary

[19:20:41]

TalibJayid:

sphery: im just confused because if i play the same exact file with gmplayer it plays without that occasional pause

[19:20:44]

toad___:

but not for the intro/menu

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Dagmar:

Jinxed: I suggest you look into some of the stuff Sony makes for this

[19:21:00]

sphery:

Jinxed-: I doubt your standard 8Mb cable is 8Mb upstream.

[19:21:04]

GreyFoxx:

jinx: That 8mb is downstream, not upstream :)

[19:21:12]

toad___:

i doubt that's a language issue, but it clearly isn't a problem with alsa either...

[19:21:24]

Jinxed-:

I know its downstream, that is why i was wondering what the standard upstream is for that

[19:21:35]

Dagmar:

Jinxed: Thats' a question for you to ask your ISP

[19:21:39]

GreyFoxx:

jin: every single provider is different :)

[19:21:40]

sphery:

could be 512kbps or 768kbs or 1Mbps or ...

[19:21:49]

Dagmar:

...or more likely 256k

[19:21:54]

sphery:

much more likely to be in the 1Mbps or below range

[19:21:59]

Jinxed-:

I also might hide a server on campus somewhere and I would have 1.2mb upstream no problem

[19:22:00]

toad___:

prebuffering pause, Disabling audio (0,-1,-1) ... mean anything to anyone?

[19:22:09]

** sphery feels lucky to have 768kbps upstream **

[19:22:16]

TalibJayid:

GreyFoxx: when do you foresee oss4 support being added to myth?

[19:22:31]

Jinxed-:

So do i need to look at something like jiznora?

[19:22:35]

GreyFoxx:

tal: I'm never once heard anyone mention before, so no clue

[19:22:47]

GreyFoxx:

not likely soon unless a user submits some patches

[19:22:48]

TalibJayid:

http://4front-tech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7059&highlight=

[19:22:58]

sphery:

Jinxed-: and my 768kbps is no where near good enough for video. Especially when a 250GB laptop HDD is so cheap (or you can get USB enclosures for whatever hard drive)

[19:23:07]

sphery:

carry it with you, don't stream it.

[19:23:17]

sphery:

Your backpack has so much more bandwidth than your cable lines

[19:23:21]

toad___:

:)

[19:23:38]

toad___:

100 litres of hard disks will do your back in and break your bank though

[19:24:10]

sphery:

at least there's no monthly payments for the HDD's, though

[19:24:14]

GreyFoxx:

I use vlc to stream stuff from home to work all the time, but I have it set to use 256k for video, and 64 for audio

[19:24:15]

toad___:

hehe

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Jinxed-:

So okay how about this then. If I had a lcd in a different room and all my movies ripped, what would be the best way so I could easily select the movie I wanted to play from the room with the tv and play them/music

[19:24:21]

GreyFoxx:

I just run it in a little window

[19:25:07]

toad___:

how's mythweb? the thing that lets you access your connection from a browser? is it reasonably stable? i heard it has no security, so you have to isolate it from your other apache stuff?

[19:25:15]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: yeah, that works well when you can't carry a HDD to the location (often the case with work), but I don't believe the quality/resolution/bitrate tradeoffs are worthwhile when you have another (full quality) option

[19:25:31]

GreyFoxx:

toad: Like any website you can wrap it in an htaccess config

[19:25:32]

Dagmar:

toad: Probably best if you don't listen to what noobs say

[19:25:37]

sphery:

even just carrying the DVD's (which doesn't cost any more for HDD's)

[19:25:45]

toad___:

so i just add access rules

[19:25:47]

toad___:

okay

[19:25:48]

riwevo:

mythtv-setup is telling me that No UPnP backend found. What does that mean what can I do about it? (I guess I didn't install something correctly.)

[19:25:59]

toad___:

that isn't covered by the debian package, but i can tweak it since it's a config file

[19:26:01]

Dagmar:

It has little security, yes, but what you're saying tells me you've been listening to people who don't know a damn thing about security

[19:26:15]

toad___:

i was only listening to the description on the debian package

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sphery:

riwevo: you should enable multicast ping on your router/switch

[19:26:46]

GreyFoxx:

spher: I prefer sneakernet for stuff like that, hence why I have a laptophd in a usb case

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Dagmar:

toad: You expect to get detailed security information from a package description of only a few lines?

[19:27:06]

sphery:

riwevo: might also be a broken ~/.mythtv/{config.xml,mysql.txt}

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toad___:

fair point

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Dagmar:

For some of the uses people put debian packages to, it *should* be kept separate

[19:27:42]

toad___:

as an apache site, it's all contained within one directory, you can configure it to only allow LAN connections

[19:27:48]

Dagmar:

...but then those peopel would probably be insane to be combining MythTV stuff with that equipment at all

[19:27:56]

toad___:

true, like me :)

[19:27:57]

GreyFoxx:

Man, what a difference loading mythvideos gallery with lots of coverfiles when you save/load the previously scaled covers

[19:28:09]

sphery:

yeah. running MythTV on the firewall/gateway is not a good idea

[19:28:21]

Dagmar:

Yeah, like, if it's going to be sharing space with the web frontend for your personal album collection, big freaking deal.

[19:28:31]

toad___:

yeah we should all have 5 different servers plus a desktop and a laptop each

[19:28:38]

Dagmar:

If it's going to be sharing space with your ecommerce cite, you'd be an idiot to put ANYTHING else on there

[19:28:53]

toad___:

well yeah

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sphery:

toad___: 11 (functional) computers plus a laptop in my house

[19:29:00]

toad___:

lol

[19:29:06]

Dagmar:

I've got 5.

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** toad___ has just one server, which does myth, email, filesharing, all sorts **

[19:29:20]

toad___:

but it's not completely stable

[19:29:31]

sphery:

I run 7 24/7 when I'm home and 4 24/7 when I'm traveling.

[19:29:41]

GreyFoxx:

3servers, 2 desktops, 2 laptops and various in pieces heh

[19:29:42]

toad___:

but i rent a VM for stuff that must be up 24/7

[19:29:53]

Dagmar:

I upgrade stuff to keep their numbers down.

[19:30:10]

GreyFoxx:

and like 6 vm's on the servers

[19:30:30]

GreyFoxx:

I'm sure I could trim it all down if I looked for cases with enough room for drives and such

[19:30:31]

Dagmar:

I've actually managed to *lose* a laptop somewhere

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toad___:

I/O virtualisation will really rock though

[19:30:45]

GreyFoxx:

dag: I found 2 when unpacking boxes the otherday :)

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sphery:

Dagmar: :( That would be very disappointing.

[19:30:53]

Dagmar:

It might be at my gf's place, but I'm not sure. Not like I care tho. It's a 200Mhz laptop IIRC

[19:31:02]

GreyFoxx:

we thought them lost in th emove and had already bought replacements :)

[19:31:06]

GreyFoxx:

so I gave them to my parents heh

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sphery:

ok, not so disappointing in that case

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riwevo:

sphery, thanks, I'll looking into those things. :-)

[19:31:20]

toad___:

does anyone have any idea about my dvd's menus' audio not working, but everything else does?

[19:31:24]

Dagmar:

Yeah, it's mainly a "triage" kit for if I have to get online "somewhere" in "a hurry"

[19:31:31]

Dagmar:

I've got all that stuff replicated on a thumb drive now

[19:31:38]

sphery:

riwevo: you can just: rm ~/.mythtv/{config.xml,mysql.txt}

[19:31:46]

Dagmar:

toad: THat would be your dvd player malfunctioning

[19:31:52]

sphery:

riwevo: to get it to re-prompt for DB stuff

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toad___:

well most of the time the episodes don't play audio either, but today they do

[19:32:18]

toad___:

the pre-intro bit has working audio

[19:32:22]

fn1:

well then its a good day!

[19:32:26]

** toad___ is upgrading myth anyway **

[19:32:29]

toad___:

maybe that will fix

[19:32:38]

sphery:

to 0.21-fixes, I hope

[19:32:43]

Dagmar:

Well, until you know _exactly_ what audio is on there (as in, what codec/stream type) you're not going to get far

[19:33:07]

Dagmar:

Yeah, upgrade to 0.21-fixes and then it'll probably work as well as it's going to

[19:33:30]

toad___:

0.21–0.13 whatever that means

[19:33:36]

sphery:

Stanley has put a lot of DVD playback fixes in lately

[19:33:39]

toad___:

Dagmar i can get that from the log can't i?

[19:33:54]

toad___:

okay so i should try upgrading first

[19:34:01]

GreyFoxx:

-fixes has been getting a lot of love post 0.21 release

[19:34:01]

sphery:

toad___: mythfrontend --version should tell you what it means

[19:34:14]

toad___:

sphery yeah but only after i've upgraded

[19:34:14]

GreyFoxx:

more so than previous versions

[19:34:29]

sphery:

toad___: yeah, unfortunately

[19:34:49]

toad___:

currently tags/release-0–21, api 0.21.20080304–1

[19:34:53]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: it helps that trunk isn't in a great state for production use

[19:35:01]

toad___:

protocol 40 of course

[19:35:10]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[19:35:13]

sphery:

toad___: the SVN rev is the more important info

[19:35:29]

toad___:

it doesn't show that

[19:35:30]

sphery:

the library API version is pretty much irrelevant

[19:35:36]

sphery:

does it say exported?

[19:35:53]

toad___:

mythtv version export

[19:35:58]

toad___:

followed by a wierd A symbol

[19:36:18]

sphery:

toad___: if it's ATrpms, you may see a rev after upgrade (I think Axel/Jarod just worked to fix that)

[19:36:31]

toad___:

nah it's debian-multimedia

[19:36:43]

sphery:

that's different from the Ubuntu packages, right?

[19:36:54]

toad___:

i dunno, it should be pretty close

[19:37:06]

sphery:

If so, someone needs to tell the packager to talk to the MythBuntu guys to find out how to properly build the packages to get revision info.

[19:37:34]

** toad___ wonders where you report debian-multimedia bugs to **

[19:38:15]

sphery:

in truth, even if you just wander into #ubuntu-mythtv and mention it to them, they might be able to help find the right person (or they might just contact the right person and take care of it for you)

[19:38:41]

sphery:

I'm just assuming they'd be the best to help the Debian packagers as they're both deb-based

[19:39:41]

sphery:

basically, though, unless you have an SVN revision, you have no useful version info. If you do, the closer it is to 17293, the better (though that number increases constantly--sometimes by multiple numbers per hour)

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toad___:

you mean the closer it is to HEAD?

[19:40:18]

sphery:

yeah, closer to 0.21-fixes head (not trunk head)

[19:40:49]

sphery:

though both trunk and -fixes use the same rev number (I'm just saying, you don't want to be on trunk, now)

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toad___:

they probably don't label it on purpose because they apply patches?

[19:41:44]

sphery:

still, knowing that's it's r16293M (where M means modified) is much more useful than "sometime post 0.21 release with patches)

[19:41:58]

toad___:

yeah

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toad___:

doesn't fix it.. but SVN rev is still unknown

[19:45:41]

toad___:

but since episode playback works (at the moment :|), i'm happy to give up on it

[19:45:46]

toad___:

thanks folks

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pwned1:

Hello!

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pwned1:

I am new to Myth and I am playing around with running it on appletv. Has anyone here had much success with myth on appletv?

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fn1:

i think there is some stuff on the wiki about appletv

[20:06:12]

wagner:

pwned1: theres a howto floating around on how to use one as a frontend

[20:06:23]

wagner:

although that may be a minimac, i dont remember

[20:07:03]

pwned1:

I have seen the how-tos, and I have followed them but I am having an issue when I execute mythfrontend. I get a bus error...

[20:07:09]

wagner:

yeah, nevermind... thats a minimac

[20:07:52]

pwned1:

I have been using this http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/wiki/MythTV

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devicenull:

pwned1: sounds like the executable is corrupted

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mindkrime:

I wish an appletv could do some HD. Then I would pick one up and play with it.

[20:17:22]

mindkrime:

I really would liek to have a small HD frontend.

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directhex:

mindkrime, mac mini

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wagner:

im surprised sony hasnt released a cell-based frontend

[20:19:11]

wagner:

something with 2 or 4 SPEs active

[20:19:44]

wagner:

im sure theyve got to have some of the lower binned chips piling up by now

[20:20:07]

Dibblah:

Sony doesn't own Cell.

[20:20:26]

AndyCap:

wagner: frontend for what?

[20:20:37]

wagner:

UPNP frontend

[20:20:45]

wagner:

like any of the other upnp boxes available

[20:20:53]

AndyCap:

do they have a upnp server?

[20:20:56]

Dibblah:

wagner: For example... http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/05/09/toshiba_cell_strategy/

[20:21:25]

Dibblah:

And Cell is not a low power architecture.

[20:21:45]

Dibblah:

80w (approx) on the CPU used on the PS3.

[20:21:53]

Dibblah:

That's at idle.

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wagner:

thats consumption at full speed, with 7 SPEs online

[20:22:43]

Dibblah:

No, that's consumption idle with the SPEs idle.

[20:22:53]

wagner:

you run something at half speed, a lower voltage, and only 2 or 4 SPEs active, and you can get by on less than half that power

[20:22:55]

Dibblah:

The core does power stepping.

[20:23:14]

Dibblah:

Which is still nowhere near STB power levels.

[20:23:22]

Dibblah:

set top box.

[20:23:33]

mindkrime:

macmini are expensive

[20:23:48]

Dibblah:

So are diamonds. Your point? ;)

[20:24:02]

mindkrime:

even thought I have one for some of my music, i cant justfiy $500 for it.

[20:24:06]

mindkrime:

another one

[20:24:10]

PatrickDK:

macmini is expensive compared to what?

[20:24:15]

PatrickDK:

a super computer?

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mindkrime:

extenders

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mindkrime:

etc.

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pwned1:

So, I just d/l a compiled binary and installed. Same issue. And the same binary works on my mac book pro... hmmm

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mindkrime:

If i could get my hands on a sagetv extender and figure it out it woudl be nice

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wagner:

how much power does a BR/HDDVD player use (i have no idea)

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pwned1:

mindkrime: when you say appletv won't do HD what do you mean? It won't decode? It does display 1080i and 720p

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PatrickDK:

my sony dvd player is 25watts

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wagner:

bluray, not dvd

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mindkrime:

it does 1080i? Last i looked it stuttered alot (read on mailing list)

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wagner:

dvd takes relatively little power at all, but im wondering how much power an h264/vc-1 hardware decoder takes

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pwned1:

well, it does 1080i from apple d/l content. I have not gotten myth to stream to it yet so I am not sure how myth will do :)

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mindkrime:

:D

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mindkrime:

let me know. if it does it then i will pick one up

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PatrickDK:

wagner, according to sony, BDP-S300 blueray player, in use = 23watts, idle=0.4watts

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pwned1:

Will do! Now, if I can just resolve this ***** bus error :)

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wagner:

ok, im surprised its that low

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mindkrime:

what the error? you running linux on the appletv?

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mindkrime:

are there different models of appletv?

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pwned1:

the appletv is running macos 10.4. when I try to run mythfrontend I get this:

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pwned1:

2008-05–09 20:04:16.689 Using runtime prefix = /mnt/Scratch/Users/frontrow/Applications/MythFrontend.app/Contents/Resources

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pwned1:

2008-05–09 20:04:16.695 New DB connection, total: 1

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pwned1:

2008-05–09 20:04:16.703 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 10.159.179.20

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pwned1:

2008-05–09 20:04:16.706 Total desktop dim: 1280x720, with 1 screen[s].

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pwned1:

2008-05–09 20:04:16.715 Using screen 0, 1280x720 at 0,0

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pwned1:

[1]+ Bus error

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pwned1:

The bus error is the mystery

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pwned1:

The same mythfrontend works on my mac book pro...

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mindkrime:

humm maybe i will try on my macmini later

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pwned1:

There was a 40G appletv but they are now only selling a 160G

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pwned1:

The appletv is nice because it has HDMI and component out with optical audio.

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mindkrime:

yea

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mindkrime:

now if we can get 1080i :D

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pwned1:

It will do it. I'm not sure why it dropped to 720 when I started myth

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pwned1:

Has anyone found a capture card that will capture HD over component?

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wagner:

pwned1: hauppauge has an external box that will do it

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wagner:

but i dont know if anyone actually has one yet

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_mre|666:

i don't but hauppauge makes one

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_mre|666:

HVR series cards

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wagner:

they just started selling at the beginning of this month

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wagner:

i know a couple of people in this room ordered them

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wagner:

but i dont think any have arrived yet

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pwned1:

Really!!! brb :)

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wagner:

beyond the fact that there are no official linux drivers

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wagner:

as far as i know, thats the only consumer grade device

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wagner:

anything else is going to be professional/commercial, and will be over a grand

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wagner:

yeah, its in the very center of their front page

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pwned1:

That's exactly what I need! I have been looking for a way to get my HD DirecTV boxes into myth to stream the HD and SD content!

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wagner:

seems its been delayed until mid-may

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wagner:

there should be around 2000 units shipped by the end of may

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PatrickDK:

midmay is next weekend

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wagner:

with the first 1000 shipping any day

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Dagmar:

Oooo

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Dagmar:

I don't want to even think about what this will mean for dealing with audio

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Dagmar:

I just had to buy a damn reciever to get six channels of sound out of the PS3, and I am not happy about it

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PatrickDK:

heh?

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pwned1:

Dagmar: Dang, I forgot about the audio part, DOH!

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Dagmar:

DTS is basically being used as an expensive workaround for two issues... 1) no one can apparently be bothered to use shielded cable for audio, or figure out how to eliminate ground loops, and 2) they're all too damn lazy to just use more cables to carry more channels of sound

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Dagmar:

I was staring at the back of the PS3 cursing for about 10 minutes straight about it when I finally figured out why this crazy crap was going on

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Dagmar:

So now this optical audio thing, which all the mags are still in a bit of an excitable state over, only has the bandwidth to carry _TWO_ channels of audio normally.

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Dagmar:

...because thye're just using cheap-ass red LEDs on each end

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PatrickDK:

I dunno why they wanted to go with cheap ass fiber

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Dagmar:

So instead of simply tripling that and using three cables to carry six channels of sound, *somehow* it's considered rational for the consumer to spend considerably more money to buy a reciever capable of doing a complex decoding operation at both ends

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PatrickDK:

sticking with copper seems so much better

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wagner:

yeah, i didnt realize 'digital audio' had such poor bitrate until recently

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Dagmar:

Patrick: The specific reason I was cursing about it was that there's a damn RJ45 jack on the back of the PS3, so it's not like media that can handle this type of digital signaling doesn't exist or anything.

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Dagmar:

This seems to be one case in which a patent holder has managed to convince an entire industry to do something very, very stupid.

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wagner:

CD audio only takes ~200k/s, higher quality stuff doesnt get more than 600k/s (stereo)

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wagner:

they should very easily be able to transmit 2MB/s

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Dagmar:

Ah, but that's where the Dolby people stepped in and said "You don't need to spend a second nickel on better LEDs for this... You can just licence our product to *compress* the audio"

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Dagmar:

L-a-m-e.

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Dagmar:

In the meantime, I'm seeing all these people talking about how "awesome" uncompressed Linear PCM on Blueray discs sounds.

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wagner:

so what happened with HDMI? the audio engineers said 'fuck you, dolby'?

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Dagmar:

Looks it.

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PatrickDK:

hdmi is pattent hell

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Dagmar:

You can send six channels of LPCM over HDMI just fine, provided you've got a HDMI 1.3 compliant reciever

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directhex:

i do!

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Dagmar:

You are in the minority.

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directhex:

i only have stereo speakers...

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Dagmar:

I dread finding out what will happen when I try to repatch things so that the audio goes through my TV over HDMI and then uses it's digital coax out to patch into the reciever

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wagner:

yeah, that doesnt make sense either... they have to get up to 10gbps on the interconnect, just to get some 20mbps of audio

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Dagmar:

I just bought a damn Montego sound card so I could use the optical digital output on it from the myth box

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wagner:

dagmar: why not have the receiver do the switching?

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Dagmar:

I'll be angry and posting to blogs about it if I have to just ditch it and go back to using the SBLive with it's digital coax output

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Dagmar:

wagner: the reciever has one optical and one electrical digital input

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AndyCap:

slightly more expensive than the amigo

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directhex:

MOAR

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Dagmar:

The TV only has a coax out

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Dagmar:

All I really want to do is *not* cripple the audio out on my Myth box and be able to hear cops coming up behind me in GTA4.

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directhex:

*bang*

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directhex:

this is a raid!

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Dagmar:

Clearly you haven't played GTA4 yet.

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Dagmar:

You didn't use a single swear word

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wagner:

HAH!

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directhex:

willies

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wagner:

seems the guys at snapstream got one of the hauppauge HD boxes early

[21:02:57]

wagner:

they got a board rather

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wagner:

http://blogs.snapstream.com/2008/04/07/the-ha . . . -snapstream/

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janneg:

they are not the only ones

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Dagmar:

I wonder if those optical ports are just for passthru or will they blindly record the whole streadm

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wagner:

the optical ports blindly record the whole stream

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wagner:

although half of those ports do exist for passthru

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Dagmar:

I was *hoping* I was done spending money on my AV gear for the rest of the summer

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wagner:

well if you buy one now, you probably wont get it until the end of summer

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wagner:

does that work?

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Dagmar:

Do I look like a VC to you?

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Dagmar:

Hell, I don't even pre-order games at Gamestop

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wagner:

i dont much understand the concept of pre-ordering games

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wagner:

hardware, maybe... because that takes time to produce

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wagner:

but they can stamp out a couple hundred thousand disks a day

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wagner:

at most, youre waiting until the end of the week for something

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directhex:

or months, in many cases

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directhex:

despite the rate at which discs are pressed, high demand titles can sell out in seconds

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directhex:

it can take a LONG period of stabilization before you can guarantee picking up the game you want outside of the first hour of the day things come into the store

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wagner:

ok, ive bought several titles on release day, and have had no trouble just walking into a store after working and picking up a copy

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directhex:

which titles?

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wagner:

doom 3, halflife 2, warhawk, ninja gaiden, assassins creed

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directhex:

my boss has still failed to purchase gta4, and has been trying several stores on a daily basis since launch

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directhex:

pc games generally fail the "high demand" test

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wagner:

i have no intentions of buying GTA4 for several months

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directhex:

and ninja gaiden was never particularly popular

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wagner:

only the first two were PC games

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wagner:

and i think its better that i finish my thesis, before going into seclusion for a week

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directhex:

the first 2 were multi-platform, and the franchise wasn't popular yet at that point

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directhex:

gta4 sold 3.6 million copies globally on day 1. smash bros brawl did 1.4 million in the us on day 1

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directhex:

mario galaxy scored 0.5 million in week 1 in the us

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wagner:

i realize that they sell huge volumes of copies, but they should be able to produce enough copies for every installed machine within a week

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directhex:

or take the ET route, and make enough copies for 5 per installed machine \o/

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directhex:

i found figures – doom3 sold 0.3m in week 1 in the US

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directhex:

ninja gaiden sigma (yeah, i know, wrong title) managed 46k in japan in week 1

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Dagmar:

Well, there is a GREAT degree to which one simply has to find a store in their area that gives a shit about selling new games.

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wagner:

yeah, i figured ninja gaiden had low sales

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Dagmar:

Places that have a sideline on selling used games (e.g., EBGames/Gamestop) tend to act like you're asking for a vietnamese child to chew on when you ask them for something on release day.

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wagner:

gamestop only has a handful of any games in stock, its crap

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Dagmar:

I refuse to support a business model where the store doesn't even buy something into inventory until you've paid THEM for it.

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wagner:

plus in our area, their registers keep getting changed to portuguese

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Dagmar:

wagner: I'd pay in cash there

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wagner:

i swear it must be some employee with the access codes having some fun

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Dagmar:

...or someone from the eastern bloc that doesn't know how to create a rootkit properly.

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Dagmar:

Sadly, I wind up going to Walmart half the time for new games

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Dagmar:

I at least try Target first tho

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directhex:

yay for asda

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Dagmar:

...although sometimes I just ordder from Amazon because they've been pretty good about getting titles in the mail and on my doorstep for release day

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directhex:

i tend to buy games from play.com or game on the high street. though now i live in a town with a gamestation, i no longer require game

[21:29:35]

wagner:

im just glad they voted not to allow a walmart near my house

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directhex:

they're owned by the same people, but there's a huge culture difference between the stores

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wagner:

walmart superstores just tend to consume and destroy everything else in the area

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wagner:

theyre like a virus

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directhex:

om nom nom nom

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wagner:

everything else goes out of business, so you either ending up buying cheap crap, or have to drive five miles to get decent goods

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directhex:

om nom nom nom

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Dagmar:

wagner: I agree.

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Dagmar:

This is why I'm glad they just opened up a whole new outdoor mega-mall like thing up the street from my house

[21:35:50]

Dagmar:

...as well as widened the street to it

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Dagmar:

...which means it's about three miles less driving for anyone who was formerly headed to the megawalmart

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Dagmar:

:)

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Dagmar:

...now if they'll just put in a decent grocer's.

[21:36:40]

Dagmar:

I'm not allowed in the H.G. Hill's anymore. heh

[21:37:14]

Dagmar:

They keep telling their cashiers to get signatures on every use of a plastic card, including debit cards.

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Dagmar:

I know what Visa does and doesn't allow for that, so I refuse to sign every time and they want to argue about it

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directhex:

O_o

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Dagmar:

The second time I just called Visa, and the manager-on-duty got a phone call before I could even count to 100.

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directhex:

do yanks lack chip+pin?

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Dagmar:

No, we don't.

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Dagmar:

In fact, the PIN is *supposed* to be sufficient when you use a debit card as a debit transaction,

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wagner:

i never actually use my debit card for anything

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Dagmar:

The second time I had that argument, the manager basically said he was going to call the police and say that since I didn't sign, the transaction wasn't actually completed, and that I was shoplifting.

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directhex:

signatures aren't permitted here anymore on standard cards

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Dagmar:

I used the phrase "goddamn noobs" IIRC.

[21:39:28]

directhex:

you can get a special chip+sign card from the bank if you need one, e.g. you're too elderly to memorize a pin

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wagner:

signatures arent required for anything under $75 (i think)

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Dagmar:

Turns out that Visa *will* call up and threaten to pull someone's vendor status over some stuff like this

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directhex:

all card merchant services prohibited use of signatures on valentine's day a year or two ago iirc

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Dagmar:

How do you do plain credit card purchases then?

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directhex:

Dagmar, with a pin

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Dagmar:

Weird. I used my card as a CC not two days ago

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directhex:

i'm talking UK here

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

Good for you guys then

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directhex:

infact, i even have a PIN reader on my desk

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wagner:

what i really hate is that the Shell stations require you to punch your zip code now

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directhex:

for use with online banking

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directhex:

one-time auth doodad. requires i insert my card & punch in my pin, then use the code it gives me for online banking access

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Dagmar:

wagner: With it being possible to hit up a gas pump for a lot more than used to be the case, they're doing instant CC ver now

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Dagmar:

directhex: AMEX blue?

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directhex:

Dagmar, um, no, just a regular visa debit

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wagner:

but even with instant verification, they still cut you off at $50-$75

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wagner:

its rare to find one that will go up to $100

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Dagmar:

directhex: Cool.. I thought AE were the only people shipping those out yet. Nice,

[21:43:44]

wagner:

i had to fill up twice for my first time a few weeks ago

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directhex:

Dagmar, well, the bank shipped it

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wagner:

$58, and it cut off at $50

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Dagmar:

Lucky for me I have a little car

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directhex:

wagner, i have a VERY small car, and at our petrol prices, i couldn't fill much more than half the tank for $50

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Dagmar:

Mine's got a 12–13 gallon tank

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directhex:

erm... /me converts

[21:44:37]

Dagmar:

Actually, it might be 12.

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wagner:

my parents have a motorhome, and they have to carry 4 cards around with them just to fill the tank

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directhex:

40 litres = 10.5668821 US gallons

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Dagmar:

Don't bother. It's a little tiny BMW 325i sedan

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Dagmar:

Teeny-weeny car

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directhex:

the 3 series isn't tiny

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directhex:

no bimmer is really

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directhex:

not even the modern mini

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directhex:

not by our standards

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Dagmar:

Not very masculine, but while other manly men are still trying to find a spot to park, I'm already at the bar

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directhex:

drinking & driving? tut tut

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Dagmar:

No, driving, then drinking.

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directhex:

then driving back?

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Dagmar:

...then wobbling to a coffee house to sober up

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Dagmar:

heh

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directhex:

went to a beer festival this evening \o/

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wagner:

ive got a friend with a 3-series that eats gas faster than my car

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directhex:

bimmers are not fuel efficient. they're not meant to be

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directhex:

they're meant to accelerate fast, so you can act like a douche on the motorway

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Dagmar:

This one gets me 25–30 mph on a bad day

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Dagmar:

Usually it's more like 35

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Dagmar:

I also drive like someone's grandmother tho

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wagner:

the guy who accelerates fast isnt a douche, its the guy who doesnt accelerate and tries to merge at 35mph

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wagner:

the on-ramp by my house connects with the off-ramp at the next exit

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wagner:

people think that theyre not actually getting on the highway, so they dont have to get up to speed

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wagner:

so im stuck trying to merge into 65–70mph traffic going 45

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wagner:

and somehow its speed thats the problem

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Dagmar:

I'm considering buying a bike

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Dagmar:

...or perhaps a vespa

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wagner:

bike or motorcycle?

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directhex:

i can't afford a new car for a while

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Dagmar:

Motorcycle

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Dagmar:

If gas keeps going up I'll definitely be hunting around for something in the $1100–1500 range

[21:51:04]

directhex:

should finish paying off the current one, really

[21:51:56]

directhex:

Dagmar, petrol station up the road is charging (UK£ 1.12900) per litre = 8.25043558 US$ per US gallon

[21:52:04]

directhex:

Dagmar, and they're not predicting drops in price for a while

[21:52:17]

Dagmar:

I just filled up for about $3.48/gal

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Dagmar:

Your 'lected officials need to threaten gas execs more oftne.

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directhex:

diesel costs more than that

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Dagmar:

Not by much anymore

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directhex:

diesel is (UK£ 1.22900) per litre = 8.98120932 US$ per US gallon

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Dagmar:

One good thing about this wack 12h work schedule I'm on is that at least I only have to drive about every other day

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Dagmar:

...and my commute is all of 12 miles.

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Dagmar:

So, definitely still Vespa-range

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directhex:

lpg would be a cheaper way to fill up

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directhex:

but converting an existing vehicle is uncheap

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directhex:

and i dunno what it'd do to the resale value

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Dagmar:

Exploding isn't much fun, either

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wagner:

im worried about what will happen if these plug-in hybrids become popular

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directhex:

yeah, because having a 10 gallon tank of inflammable liquid under my seat isn't already running that risk

[21:56:28]

wagner:

the electric grid doesnt have anything like the capacity to handle them

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directhex:

wagner, YOUR grid.

[21:56:36]

Dagmar:

wagner: Buy some big-ass solar panels now while they can still be found surplus

[21:56:56]

directhex:

wagner, ISTR a small breakage causing a thirsd of the country to lose power, last time i was in the states

[21:56:57]

Dagmar:

directhex: Gas is actually a bit harder to burn than you might think

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directhex:

Dagmar, liquids don't burn. vapours do

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Dagmar:

I used to scare kids by tossing a cigarette (lit!) right into a plastic (note: NOT styrofoam) cup of gasoline

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Dagmar:

directhex: Try that with lighter fluid

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wagner:

lp flashes to a gas if the tank ruptures

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wagner:

something thats likely to happen in a crash

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Dagmar:

LP is pressurized

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Dagmar:

"Reg'lar" gas isn't.

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Dagmar:

so yeah, crack that LP tank and you run the risk of serious blooey

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directhex:

sounds fun

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Dagmar:

...otherwise it's a greeat fuel

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justinh:

takes a lot of welly to crack an LPG tank allegedly

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Dagmar:

...although I'd like to know WTF happened with that elecropherisis (sp?) kit those guys in Florida cooked up about a year and a half ago

[22:00:20]

Dagmar:

They were talking some crazy numbers for conversion of water

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Dagmar:

Like, thirteen cents of electricity per gallon converted

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wagner:

converted to...? hydrogen and oxygen?

[22:01:20]

Dagmar:

Converted to, burnable water

[22:01:30]

wagner:

so... hydrogen and oxygen

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Dagmar:

No, still liquid.

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wagner:

if its burnable, its no longer water

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justinh:

that Dihydrogen monoxide should be banned ffs

[22:02:00]

directhex:

sounds like a crock o' shite to me

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directhex:

justinh, it kills thousands every year!

[22:02:10]

Dagmar:

justinh: Yep. Especially that great big spill of it behind my place

[22:02:18]

directhex:

justinh, i hear a major incident just hapepned in burma!

[22:02:43]

justinh:

DHM cause that too? jesus when will the insanity end?!

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Dagmar:

Ah... here we go

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Dagmar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3a5OHs6Yzk

[22:05:53]

Dagmar:

CNN picked this story up the day after it ran on FOX

[22:06:01]

justinh:

I've blocked youtube at home. not enough gets done with that accessible

[22:06:05]

Dagmar:

Two months later, I couldn't find any contact info for the company

[22:06:49]

Dagmar:

justinh: http://hytechapps.com/aquygen/generator

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Dagmar:

The old coot had converted his car to just run a 50/50 mix of that aquagen stuff and regular petrol

[22:07:08]

wagner:

video not found...

[22:07:35]

Dagmar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3a5OHs6Yzk comes up as not found?

[22:07:50]

wagner:

i may have typed it in wrong

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wagner:

ive got irc open in vnc, and for some reason its not transferring clipboards

[22:08:13]

Dagmar:

Considering the goop they use as an index string, it woudln't be any big suprise

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wagner:

whats the name of the video

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Dagmar:

"Water Fuel"

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directhex:

yes, because the solution to our fuel issues is to burn away that which makes life possible

[22:09:17]

directhex:

yay

[22:09:44]

justinh:

freenx is the only remote desktop thing for linux I know which does clipboard properly

[22:09:45]

Dagmar:

It doesn't "burn away"

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Dagmar:

It turns right back into water.

[22:10:39]

justinh:

wow. call be an idiot but armed with only GCSE grade chemistry – surely that's not possible

[22:10:56]

Dagmar:

That's what I thought myself

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Dagmar:

The welding torch he's using with taht is just doing DISTURBING things tho

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** justinh unblocks youtube temporarily **

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justinh:

this I gotta see

[22:11:37]

directhex:

dangerous quantities of lithium in the water ;)

[22:11:56]

wagner:

i might believe the welding torch

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wagner:

if hes created an unstable compound that rapidly oxidizes the metal

[22:12:29]

wagner:

but any thought that it might run a car is ridiculous

[22:12:58]

wagner:

it goes from water, to some other compound, and... back to water

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wagner:

youve still got to get a power source from somewhere

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directhex:

wagner, from spaaaaaaaace!

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AndyCap:

Haha. water + electricity

[22:14:01]

directhex:

ZAP!

[22:14:03]

AndyCap:

hardly a new invention

[22:14:06]

directhex:

ZAP!

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AndyCap:

just look at the hindenburg.. :P

[22:14:21]

directhex:

ZAP!

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but the old coot in Florida seems to have one-upped Stan Meyer

[22:14:31]

directhex:

the hindenburg was coated in thermite

[22:14:49]

directhex:

it was pretty much doomed from day 1

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wagner:

im reading through the comments

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AndyCap:

directhex: where did the rust come from?

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directhex:

note: do not coat anything you don't want melted to slag in thermite

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directhex:

AndyCap, THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE!

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wagner:

someone actually claimed nuclear fission is in any way efficient

[22:15:26]

AndyCap:

HHO? oh come on.

[22:16:17]

AndyCap:

why not call it oxyhydrogen? :)

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wagner:

now im watching one about 'salt water fuel'

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wagner:

apparently some four years ago, some retired broadcast technician had a burst of inspiration... why not use radio waves to attack cancer

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wagner:

havent they been doing that for decades?

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directhex:

wagner, anyway, the energy for setting up these fuels comes from the perpetual motion machines (sold seperately)

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Dagmar:

wagner; Different approach

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AndyCap:

speaking of power source: http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?q=8255

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wagner:

three years ago, i took a nanotech class

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Dagmar:

wagner: The "new" idea is to try to basically hit the body with a burst of a specific wavelength of energy that will fry viruses without also cooking cells

[22:18:41]

wagner:

they were talking about his exact approach, like it was nothing new

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AndyCap:

http://www.locateadoc.com/articles.cfm/1587/1224

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wagner:

you get some nanodust that binds itself to the cancer cell, that is very receptive to a wavelength that is otherwise transparent to the body

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wagner:

and they had tested it while this guy was still some nut with a pie-pan transmitter

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Dagmar:

AndyCap: Just LOOKING at the picture of the lasik treatment makes my hair crawl

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wagner:

so his saltwater fuel works by using electricity to burn saltwater, which subsequently powers a sterling engine and an electric generator

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: keratoplasty.

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wagner:

do these people have no concept of thermodynamics?

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AndyCap:

wagner: did you see the fundie quote?

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wagner:

no

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AndyCap:

sometimes knowing thermodynamics can't save you

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AndyCap:

wagner: a few lines up at 17 mins past the hour

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wagner:

so basically, unless youre somehow using solar power, youre screwed

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AndyCap:

is there anything on this earth that isn't?

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AndyCap:

well, nuclear power I guess

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wagner:

now if only they get around to making cheap solar power that pays for itself in less than a decade

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AndyCap:

and geothermal power probably doesn't count. Dunno about tidal power though.. :P

[22:27:03]

wagner:

well tidal is still an 'outside earth' power source

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wagner:

no one is claiming geothermal is just 'magically creating power' though

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AndyCap:

of course not.

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wagner:

ok, so that HHO blowtorch thing is simply a re-application of early 1800s lighting technology

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justinh:

Dagmar: just a shot in the dark... maybe the MiB have done away with his company :P

[22:32:40]

Dagmar:

justinh: Could be

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Dagmar:

I know I don't mess about when I've thought of something that would make it easier for a company to have me killed

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wagner:

in fact it is merely an upgrade on a 1960s blowtorch design

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** directhex uploads another 35 meg .diff.gz file **

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wagner:

p

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AndyCap:

a company or the company?

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Dagmar:

directhex: Hint... find . -name "*~" -exec rm {} \;

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Dagmar:

AndyCap: Any company with the budget to hire assassins

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directhex:

Dagmar, it contains two nvidia drivers, hence the size

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Dagmar:

Ah

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directhex:

Dagmar, the 150 meg orig.tar.gz was more sucky

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wagner:

ah, my raid is finally done initializing

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kormoc_:

http://www.nikkor2d2.com/

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justinh:

gawd. Moyles was on about that ages ago

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Dagmar:

That remote is way too damn big

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kormoc_:

I like the ability to point the projector at the ceiling

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justinh:

2799 EUR?!?!?!?!?!

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directhex:

justinh, uncompromising style costs

[22:42:05]

wagner:

yeah, an falcon is just not a practical remote

[22:42:29]

justinh:

:-\ if you ask me.. which nobody did so I'll STFU

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wagner:

seems im going to have to reboot to get the machine to recognize the new array

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Dagmar:

justinh: ...and you're absolutely *forbidden* to ask about why the display keeps coming up at decidedly unperpendicular angles to the wall

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directhex:

help me justinh! you're my only hope!

[22:46:53]

justinh:

watched a new Family Guy episode tonight. fecking Star Wars

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justinh:

I used to love Star Wars, George. USED TO

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm getting a little tired of movies being tampered with

[22:47:59]

Dagmar:

I had to fire off a nastygram to Sony this morning over what they've done to certain parts of The Adventures of Baron von Munchausen

[22:48:05]

justinh:

wonder what Episode IV will look like when it's been remastered in holographic 3D

[22:48:07]

directhex:

justinh shot first!

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Dagmar:

THey freaking airbrushed the hell out of Uma Thurman's face during the bliss scene where she's playing Venus

[22:48:49]

Dagmar:

Other people might not notice that, but to my eyes it stands out as badly as a pitch-corrected Cher track to a piano tuner

[22:49:11]

directhex:

did you hear about pirates of the caribbean blu-ray?

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Dagmar:

What about it?

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Dagmar:

Did they replace all the swords with walkie-talkies?

[22:49:53]

directhex:

they cropped the wrong part of the original image for rather large sections of the original blu-ray release

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justinh:

can you see the boom mike?

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Dagmar:

heh

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directhex:

by "wrong parts" i mean "you can see where the fake roof beams are bolted to the floor in the blacksmith roof beam sword fight scene"

[22:50:22]

AndyCap:

directhex: got to save something for the directors crop. :)

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justinh:

can you see the guy controlling Orlando Bloom?

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Dagmar:

lol

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directhex:

justinh, no, that needs an entire team

[22:50:52]

directhex:

justinh, of 3d animators

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directhex:

justinh, they've only managed 2d so far though

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directhex:

badum-*tish*

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justinh:

heheheheh

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justinh:

I wish I'd never seen that ******* ***t that ruined Transformers is in the new Indy film :-(

[22:52:56]

justinh:

Shariah LaBeef or whatever

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directhex:

beefs!

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Dagmar:

Who?

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justinh:

damn that Harry Hill. I see chavs at the supermarket & feel like shouting out what's in their trolleys in the same style as HH

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baalsgate:

anyone else have problems with libvisuals crashing the front end ?

[22:54:16]

justinh:

Shia LaBeouf, Dagmar. very annoying ****

[22:54:25]

justinh:

baalsgate: yes, they're well known to suck

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directhex:

baalsgate, i avoid mythmusic

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directhex:

baalsgate, due to crashings

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Dagmar:

I hope to be using my PS3 for that soon

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justinh:

blame the guy who shoehorned the libvisual hack into mythmusic :)

[22:56:34]

justinh:

besides, when you can play music in the background & do other stuff like look at the EPG, who needs visualisers? :P

[22:56:37]

baalsgate:

i like them generaly but some crash teh front end

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justinh:

so avoid the crashy ones. narrows it down to about five you can use

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justinh:

as far as libvisual goes, IMHO only milkdrop is any good anyway

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justinh:

oops ProjectM

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baalsgate:

projectm is one that crash

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Dagmar:

Such dignity for the UK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSJYymg4KFg

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justinh:

just merge XBMC & mythfrontend. job done

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wagner:

i thought xbmc was already set up to use libmyth

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dustybin:

justinh: did you watch the peep show

[23:03:20]

justinh:

dunno where you read that

[23:03:22]

dustybin:

please dont tell me you think that is crap

[23:04:02]

justinh:

why?

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dustybin:

because its ace!!

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Dagmar:

Ass you say?

[23:04:26]

dustybin:

the best bit of television of watched for ages!!!

[23:04:30]

dustybin:

*ive

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dustybin:

even mythtv said 'impressive' in the logs

[23:04:47]

justinh:

jesus h fucking christ. like nobody can have different opinions about anything. this isn't the bloody playground

[23:04:54]

dustybin:

hehehe

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** dustybin runs **

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justinh:

no, I've not watched it yet but I hope it's better than the last series

[23:05:41]

dustybin:

it started last friday

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justinh:

I know

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jeebusroxors:

can someone tell me where I can change the video timing? I'm getting the NVP free buffer thing

[23:07:31]

jeebusroxors:

im hoping using something other than RTC will fix that

[23:08:06]

justinh:

oh, not enough CPU power to play back the video eh? nasty

[23:09:02]

jeebusroxors:

i'unno...i had the same issue on a different machine and i think it's using usleep and everythings fine

[23:10:07]

justinh:

wrong drivers? wrong video card? insuffient wireless? alsa sucking? not enough horsepower for the video playback profile? the list is pretty extensive

[23:10:30]

Dagmar:

...excess communism

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justinh:

I used to get a lot of NVP buffer messages in my frontend log, so I put the epia board on ebay & got a real computer

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jeebusroxors:

heh

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jeebusroxors:

is there a way to change from RTC though?

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kormoc_:

jeebusroxors, usleep will use up more cpu power and it will then waste cpu cycles waiting for a time vs scheduling a time with the RTC

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jeebusroxors:

i understand, but my issue is i had the same problem on a different machine

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jeebusroxors:

using usleep resolved it, but i cannot remember how i got it using it...

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kormoc_:

jeebusroxors, I think you need to read up on what rtc/usleep actually controls, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frame_display_timing

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directhex:

it's that big because it contains 8 nvidia drivers, and some ati drivers too

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jeebusroxors:

kormoc_: yes, i have read that

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kormoc_:

jeebusroxors, so why are you asking where to change it?

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Dagmar:

C'mon, you know the old adage...

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Dagmar:

"When in doubt, change settings wildly"

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dustybin:

im having a bbq tomorrow and mythtv is helping me rip my sisters cd collection, thanks mythtv :-D

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jeebusroxors:

well

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justinh:

wildly? is that even possible with the current settings pages? ;)

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jeebusroxors:

this is a very helpful room huh...

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** directhex considers deleting his ubuntu 6.06 archive entirely **

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Dagmar:

Why do you still have that at all?

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jeebusroxors:

kormoc_: im asking because theres nothing that says how to force a different mode

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justinh:

some people are still using 6.06 ya know.. cos it ain't broke

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Dagmar:

lol CNN talking about Mexico border issues as if the majority of the marijuana in the US comes from Mexico

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wagner:

doesnt the majority come from canadia?

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kormoc_:

jeebusroxors, the page says it's the VBI timer setting, that's the option you'd want to change

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dustybin:

my sister uses ubuntu without hardly asking me any questions, she created her CV using open-office pretty dam quick, i asked her was it like word and she said pretty much yes

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Dagmar:

wagner: And California, Seattle, Tennessee, and Kentucky

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Dagmar:

There's whole parts of East Tennessee that would not be financially viable at all if it weren't for unofficial money from weed

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dustybin:

the thing what was even more impressive, she seemed to be using short cut keys what she uses in word, and they worked in openoffice

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wagner:

kentucky... i did go down into the woods behind my house and find a couple square yards of it once

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justinh:

dustybin: wow! massive coincidence or what?!

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dustybin:

lol!

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Dagmar:

There's places if you have a flat, you shoudln't decide to go into the woods to take a leak because the growers don't ask a lot of questions

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wagner:

its just odd thinking of stoners as violent people

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Dagmar:

wagner: That's because generally they're not

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justinh:

what do stoners have to do with people who grow the stuff?

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wagner:

fair enough... well the small plot i found had to have been for personal use

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wagner:

too small for anything else

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** kormoc_ blinks with half closed eyes **

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kormoc_:

wow man, what were we talking bout again?

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Dagmar:

More likely it was just growing wild.

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Dagmar:

It isn't just a weed by name, you know.

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Dagmar:

TDOT had to close down about a mile and a half of I-40 to mow the median in a hurry back when I was in high school.

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Dagmar:

People drove down that stretch of interstate as if their gas pedals were merely a switch with two positions, and then one afternoon in late summer, someone had a flat, pulled over, and noticed that there were five foot tall dope plants growing all over

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Dagmar:

This would be why there is no more talk of saving money by not mowing the interstates

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Dagmar:

What needs to happen is for someone to successfully crossbreed it with kudzu

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wagner:

but the hemp was a... erm, natural barrier to prevent head on collisions... yeah

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Dagmar:

It'll just baout do that when it's growing 5–6 feet tall, but...

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purserj:

hmm quick question, is there a list of file formats that the internal player supports?

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Dagmar:

What got their attention is that first guy ran home and called his friends.

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kormoc_:

purserj, whatever libavcodec supports

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kormoc_:

Dagmar, and they started mowing it?

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Dagmar:

THP had to chase about a dozen vehicles away because people were frantically ripping up plants and sticking them in the trunks of their cars

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AndyCap:

left unchecked it will grow huge. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6052270.stm

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purserj:

kormoc_: thanks

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Dagmar:

LOL

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Dagmar:

"Burning them is not an option as they are laden with water, the general said."

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justinh:

heh

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Dagmar:

More like "burning them is not an option, because then we'll get nothing done for the rest of the day"

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wagner:

ill have to ask my friend if he has any such stories

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wagner:

hes from tennessee, but i dont know what area

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kormoc_:

"A section of soldiers that was downwind from that had some ill effects and decided that was probably not the right course of action," he said, speaking dryly, according to Reuters.

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kormoc_:

that's awesome

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Dagmar:

heheh

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Dagmar:

"ill effects

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wagner:

its like a scene out of a mel brooks movie

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Dagmar:

"ill effects" == the giggles.

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Dagmar:

War is srious bsness you know

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AndyCap:

at least one armoured car had responded by camouflaging their vehicle with marijuana.

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AndyCap:

teh irony.

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jeebusroxors:

yea FYI not using RTC solved my issue

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jeebusroxors:

so much for widly making changes huh?

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gbee:

finally have sound via hdmi, at least outside of myth – still struggling with getting it to work within myth :(

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dustybin:

gbee, check your alsamixer settings

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dustybin:

i had problems getting 5.1, make sure mythtv is set to stereo, and i changed my alsamixer settings, on some channels to use PCM

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dustybin:

PCM OUT IIRC

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dustybin:

i need to manually change the channels back to DIGITAL for normal SDTV

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gbee:

dustybin: it's more a question of getting the correct devicename – alsamixer only shows one device for HDMI (iec958)

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dustybin:

mine is set to, ALSA:default

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dustybin:

the setting below that, something about ICE

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gbee:

I had no problems with the onboard sound, but the onboard hdmi audio is a different beast

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dustybin:

aye ok

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gbee:

I just hate alsa for making it so damn hard

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dustybin:

gbee: dont even bother with mythtv yet

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justinh:

alsa config? wait til 5am, go to the top of the nearest hill with your sharp knife & the goat

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dustybin:

gbee: what does aplay -l show you?

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Dagmar:

...and don't forget the candles.

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gbee:

dustybin: got it working with aplay -Dplughw:1 something.wav

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justinh:

and red paint for the pentagram

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gbee:

but I'm giving up for the night, getting late

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dustybin:

o_0

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Dagmar:

I thought you were supposed to use 3cc of mouse blood

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justinh:

Dagmar: not since 0.9

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Dagmar:

Ah... okay

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gbee:

I lost my sense of humour two hours ago ;)

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justinh:

yep. that's alsa

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