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| [00:00:16] | sphery: | signal timeout should default to: 2000 for firewire, 1000 for HDHomeRun, 500 for DVB |
| [00:00:42] | the[V]oid: | I'm using a linux-distribution specialized for MythTV, I guess it has it's own defaults for some settings |
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| [00:01:10] | sphery: | and tuning timeout should default to: 9000, 3000, and 3000 (and 3000 for IPTV) |
| [00:01:39] | sphery: | I guess it's possible that they put some stuff in there. |
| [00:01:47] | the[V]oid: | yes |
| [00:02:21] | the[V]oid: | do you know how safe it is to edit the mysql database in order to add the channels? |
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| [00:02:30] | sphery: | Anyway, as you've probably figured, I'm not the best person to help you with your issue. I'd recommend sending a message to the -users list--you'll probably get a lot more people who actually use DVB-S with a CAM to see it. |
| [00:02:46] | sphery: | It's very difficult to do it right and it's never the recommended solution. |
| [00:02:57] | jamesd__: | the[V]oid, do you have a good full backup of the database? do you know how to restore from it? |
| [00:02:59] | sphery: | Using channels.conf is better, though still not very well supported |
| [00:03:57] | the[V]oid: | I tried using channels.conf, but it just doesn't add the appropriate channels ... I don't have a backup of the database yet but I will create one if I decide to deal with it |
| [00:04:16] | sphery: | chances are there's something you're missing or something that Myth's missing. If you post to the -users list, people can help you identify which it is and--in the event there's an oversight in the MythTV channel scanner--you may be helping everyone else in the future who tried to do what you're trying to do |
| [00:04:55] | the[V]oid: | how actually do I post to the -users list? |
| [00:05:04] | sphery: | besides, the guy who writes the channel scanner code often sees those questions and answers them... |
| [00:05:17] | sphery: | http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users |
| [00:05:24] | sphery: | just a mailing list |
| [00:05:37] | the[V]oid: | ah thanks |
| [00:06:54] | the[V]oid: | do I have to subscribe the mailing list in order to be notified if someone answers to my question? |
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| [00:08:35] | sphery: | I think so. |
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| [00:08:48] | sphery: | You may even have to subscribe to post to the list. |
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| [00:09:36] | sphery: | the[V]oid: Just set up a filter in your e-mail program that finds and moves to a folder messages with header: List-Id: Discussion about mythtv |
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| [00:11:26] | the[V]oid: | thanks |
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| [00:21:57] | puzzled: | hi |
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| [00:24:35] | puzzled: | I have 0.21 from atrpms and a Hauppage RC6 remote (MCE). If I watch tv and press chanup I get "jump back" and with chandown I get "jump ahead". How can I make it flip tv channels back and forth? |
| [00:30:40] | Anduin: | puzzled: your lircrc file maps CH+/- to Up/Down? |
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| [00:32:20] | puzzled: | Anduin: nope Up->Up, Down->Down and ChanUp->PgUp, ChanDown->PgDown |
| [00:35:28] | Anduin: | puzzled: You can change the key meanings there or change the "TV Playback" key map, or just learn to use the up/down buttons you have (or eventually, to give up on changing the channel) |
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| [01:19:38] | ** RyeBrye just learned a valuable lesson... If you ever change your hostname on your backend – be sure to update the million tables in mythconverg that key settings to it! ** | |
| [01:20:07] | GreyFoxx: | or change mysql.txt to override the hostname and use the name it use to have |
| [01:20:13] | RyeBrye: | Ah |
| [01:20:16] | RyeBrye: | that would have been smart too |
| [01:20:16] | PatrickDK: | heh, I always override it |
| [01:20:19] | GreyFoxx: | there is a "LocalHostName" value you can set to force one |
| [01:20:25] | PatrickDK: | even on new installs :) |
| [01:20:37] | RyeBrye: | What table are the upcoming recordings stored in? |
| [01:20:44] | RyeBrye: | I think I managed to convert them all over... |
| [01:20:47] | PatrickDK: | then if you have settings you like, and move it to another room, you don't have to change everything |
| [01:20:50] | RyeBrye: | probably should have come here before Id id tall that though |
| [01:20:50] | GreyFoxx: | record: has the schedules |
| [01:20:59] | RyeBrye: | those aren't keyed by hostname though, right? |
| [01:21:29] | GreyFoxx: | yes, so you do "update record set hostname = "123" where hostname="XYZ"; |
| [01:21:36] | RyeBrye: | oh, ok |
| [01:21:36] | GreyFoxx: | might be host instead of hostname |
| [01:21:36] | RyeBrye: | good |
| [01:21:39] | GreyFoxx: | but same idea |
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| [01:33:23] | RyeBrye: | Ok. I think it is fixed now... Only missed half of 2 shows in the process – but at least I caught it before the rest of the shows I have set to record tonight went unrecorded |
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| [02:07:16] | ajh: | any idea on how to get recordings that come back with 'encrypted' upon tuning to abort instead of creating useless 0 byte files? |
| [02:10:25] | RyeBrye: | It's not useless... it's highly compressed and highly encrypted |
| [02:10:47] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [02:11:35] | RyeBrye: | GreyFoxx – that media cloud will eventually find the mythtv backend if you leave it opened for a very long time... it will list all the recordings – but none of them will play for me |
| [02:14:36] | armbar: | anyone familiar with mtd know if these messages are normal? |
| [02:14:40] | armbar: | libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access |
| [02:14:42] | armbar: | 2008-05–01 21:12:32.679 mtd.o: receiving events I don't understand |
| [02:16:54] | armbar: | I don't see much on google either |
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| [03:11:25] | psm321: | where can i find docs on how to setup config.xml? (need to do it to get the perl modules working on my new install apparently) |
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| [03:19:51] | justdave_: | psm321: it should exist already if myth is working, you probably just don't have a copy of it in the account you're trying to run things in |
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| [03:20:02] | justdave_: | (it's probably in the mythtv account and not root, for example) |
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| [03:21:19] | Anduin: | armbar: all that message means is an unknown customEvent call (not really helpful) |
| [03:26:36] | clever: | ive seen warnings about config.xml missing from the frontend |
| [03:26:39] | clever: | yet it still works fine |
| [03:27:19] | PatrickDK: | you probably have the old .20 config around |
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| [03:27:32] | clever: | yeah |
| [03:27:36] | clever: | the mysql.txt still exists |
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| [03:33:28] | baalsgate: | hi clever |
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| [03:38:59] | cal_: | anyone get xbmc working with .21? |
| [03:40:00] | armbar: | Anduin: not sure what is means either... I tried to import a DVD and get this |
| [03:40:02] | armbar: | 2008-05–01 21:20:37.731 mtd.o: receiving events I don't understand |
| [03:40:03] | armbar: | 21:20:45: job failed: job dvd 2 1 3 0 -1 |
| [03:40:24] | armbar: | seen that before? |
| [03:41:59] | Anduin: | armbar: which version are you using? (0.21, trunk?) |
| [03:42:08] | armbar: | trunk |
| [03:44:51] | Anduin: | armbar: I see the event message, I'll look in to why it is happening, didn't seem to stop a test I just did though |
| [03:45:12] | armbar: | Anduin: ok, thanks |
| [03:45:45] | armbar: | It may be that I do not have it setup correctly although there does not seem to be much to configure. |
| [03:45:45] | Anduin: | armbar: feel free to open a ticket, I'll try to get to it soon |
| [03:45:59] | armbar: | ok, thanks agian |
| [03:46:59] | Anduin: | armbar: Yeah, there should be an error if it failed to write, by the time the job is running much of it is working (device path), from there it is usually a bad DVD or the destination directory doesn't exist/perms problem. |
| [03:47:58] | Anduin: | Unfortunately the message error you see is how errors are logged, so which it is can't be determined |
| [03:49:02] | Anduin: | armbar: hmm, wow, just me being dumb, I'll commit a fix soon |
| [03:49:38] | justdave: | anyone know a good podcast utility for Linux that lets you specify a download location for the videos in each podcast? |
| [03:49:57] | armbar: | Anduin: cool, I will check commits and update to the new version when avalible |
| [03:50:16] | justdave: | (specific use case: I want to drop the videos into a directory managed by MythVideo, but different podcasts would go in different categories, since I have folders by category) |
| [03:50:44] | justdave: | Miro does what I want, except that it wants to put everything in the same place |
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| [03:55:02] | Anduin: | armbar: 17224 has the fix |
| [03:55:04] | Zombie: | zHow do you access the S-Video aspect in MythTV? |
| [03:55:23] | armbar: | Anduin: cool |
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| [03:55:27] | cesman: | huh? |
| [03:55:34] | armbar: | will check it out in a bit |
| [03:55:39] | Anduin: | armbar: it will just show the error now though, not a real fix |
| [03:55:48] | armbar: | right |
| [03:58:10] | lwizardl: | anyone have a digiwave 103g card? |
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| [04:16:07] | baalsgate: | new myth is a big improvement |
| [04:21:11] | nevyn: | baalsgate: meh new boss same as old boss ;) |
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| [04:41:37] | wagner: | zombie: s-video aspect? |
| [04:42:34] | wagner: | you can change the video output aspect ratio |
| [04:42:50] | wagner: | but i dont remember anything being s-video specific |
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| [05:13:05] | conathan: | Greetings |
| [05:13:15] | conathan: | I was just wondering how easy it would be setup, to be able to select the RCA inputs via mythtv (ChannelBrowsing is not an issue for me) |
| [05:13:23] | ** conathan was trying to turn his system from something that works great for recording/watching tv, to a more integrated media center ** | |
| [05:16:36] | fryfrog: | conathan: it depends on what you are trying to achieve, but it shouldn't be hard |
| [05:16:48] | fryfrog: | i'd suggest making a single "channel" that is the RCA inputs |
| [05:17:00] | fryfrog: | ie: 999 would be svideo/rca inputs |
| [05:17:11] | cesman: | conathan: the 'c' key after what fryfrog stated.... |
| [05:17:28] | fryfrog: | but keep in mind that it will be delayed from real time, so video gaming is not very likely via mythtv |
| [05:18:04] | wagner: | wasnt there a request to allow realtime video in mythtv? |
| [05:18:16] | conathan: | fryfrog: cesman ah, it has to be a channel |
| [05:18:17] | fryfrog: | i'm sure there have been many such requests :) |
| [05:18:33] | fryfrog: | conathan: i could be wrong, i've never done what you are talking about |
| [05:18:34] | wagner: | although i imagine that even if it were done, there would still be maybe a quarter second lag |
| [05:18:39] | fryfrog: | but logically, it should be possible |
| [05:19:00] | fryfrog: | wagner: i think the problem is that *any* hardware mpeg2 card is going to introduce delay |
| [05:19:21] | conathan: | yeah, I got it hooked up to a vcr |
| [05:19:23] | fryfrog: | which of course myth cant recover from (and of course myth will also introduce more delay) |
| [05:19:44] | fryfrog: | ah, vcr no problem :) |
| [05:19:54] | fryfrog: | 0.5–2 sec delay is no big deal |
| [05:20:43] | conathan: | fryfrog: takes a bit to get the volume sync'd when I use mplayer |
| [05:20:55] | conathan: | fryfrog: dont ask me why audio is instant, and video is delayed... |
| [05:21:03] | conathan: | probably a mplayer thing |
| [05:21:14] | fryfrog: | conathan: you mean, after a few seconds of not doing anything the audio gets synced up? |
| [05:21:20] | fryfrog: | or you have to do something to make it happen? |
| [05:21:38] | conathan: | fryfrog: (in mplayer) was watching startrek, and had to fiddle with the audiosync |
| [05:21:52] | fryfrog: | ah, that sucks |
| [05:22:02] | conathan: | alright, new channel |
| [05:22:04] | wagner: | its a function of the video |
| [05:22:11] | wagner: | the media itself is not sync'd |
| [05:22:31] | fryfrog: | i doubt the audio/video on a tape in a vcr is already out of sync? |
| [05:22:43] | conathan: | fryfrog: nevver tested (: |
| [05:22:55] | fryfrog: | ah, well... lets blame the vcr! |
| [05:22:56] | wagner: | oh, you were watching the input through mplayer? |
| [05:23:12] | conathan: | yeah, probably jyust somethingn I did wrong though |
| [05:23:16] | wagner: | i thought this was after being digitized |
| [05:23:18] | conathan: | not that handy with mplayer (: |
| [05:23:28] | wagner: | not sure why that would happen |
| [05:23:31] | fryfrog: | conathan: you using a frame grabber or hardware mpeg2 card? |
| [05:23:47] | conathan: | hardware mpeg2 |
| [05:23:50] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [05:23:55] | conathan: | I'm not looking for solutions |
| [05:24:01] | conathan: | if I was, I would do more testing first (: |
| [05:24:07] | conathan: | most likely it was me |
| [05:24:19] | fryfrog: | humm, i thought it'd pipe the audio and video into the encoder at the same time, doesn't seem *possible* for it to be out of sync |
| [05:24:30] | conathan: | oh, I'm special |
| [05:24:46] | wagner: | anyone here used MediaPortal? |
| [05:25:21] | cesman: | not I |
| [05:25:31] | cesman: | or I'd be in #mediaportal ;) |
| [05:25:42] | wagner: | right... just looking for opinions... |
| [05:25:55] | wagner: | im putting together a windows box for my parent's motorhome |
| [05:26:01] | wagner: | and im trying to figure out what program to use |
| [05:26:10] | fryfrog: | media portal is for windows? |
| [05:26:15] | fryfrog: | why not xp/vista's MCE? |
| [05:26:27] | wagner: | well im going to try that as well |
| [05:26:40] | wagner: | i just installed vista ultimate on the box |
| [05:26:46] | wagner: | im going to try media portal |
| [05:26:50] | fryfrog: | i have mild curiosity, the screen shots i have seen of vista mce make it look nice |
| [05:26:51] | wagner: | see what they like better |
| [05:27:09] | fryfrog: | are you recording analog cable? digital? what? |
| [05:27:18] | wagner: | no, just watching video |
| [05:27:23] | wagner: | no tuners or anything |
| [05:27:39] | wagner: | so i figured forcing them into linux and mythtv was overkill if im only using mythvideo |
| [05:29:10] | wagner: | basically, its so they dont have to fill up a DVD binder when they head out for the weekend |
| [05:29:21] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [05:29:39] | fryfrog: | for that, you might even consider one of those tiny hard drive media players i've seen on engadget |
| [05:29:51] | fryfrog: | purpose built for storage and playback, no pc required |
| [05:30:27] | wagner: | well i wanted it to be a full purpose PC |
| [05:30:34] | conathan: | hmm, first channel where asking for the release date is not explicitly posted in the topic |
| [05:30:41] | wagner: | with a monitor mounted over the passenger seat |
| [05:31:04] | wagner: | for GPS, browsing, etc... |
| [05:31:14] | wagner: | but they keep leaning towards just getting a new laptop |
| [05:31:16] | wagner: | whats the fun in that |
| [05:31:23] | conathan: | wagner: could mod a eeepc |
| [05:31:58] | wagner: | an eepc would probably choke on Xvid, its definately not going to handle AVC |
| [05:32:06] | fryfrog: | i'm sort of torn between laptop + gps and specific device |
| [05:32:25] | fryfrog: | on the one hand, being able to turn 2 or 3 different pieces of software is nice |
| [05:32:41] | fryfrog: | but on the other, it is sometimes so fiddly (in my case at least) that it makes me hate it |
| [05:32:53] | wagner: | fryfrog: if youre driving alone, get a unit. if you have a navigator, a laptop is VERY nice |
| [05:32:54] | fryfrog: | i know my parents would not use it after it "broke" the first time :/ |
| [05:33:34] | fryfrog: | streets and trips would just... lock up for like 5 minutes occasionally, and i'm sure my pretty cheap and crappy usb gps doesn't help much |
| [05:33:49] | fryfrog: | delorme's street atlas kind of sucks feature wise |
| [05:34:24] | wagner: | theyve been using delorme for a few years now |
| [05:34:37] | fryfrog: | is there a "full screen" mode? |
| [05:34:46] | wagner: | i picked up an old copy of S&T with a gps unit for $40 earlier that im going to try this weekend |
| [05:34:48] | fryfrog: | i never could find it (in the 5 minutes of fiddling) |
| [05:34:58] | wagner: | you can maximize the window, but theres no 'full screen' |
| [05:35:03] | fryfrog: | i like the streets and trips full screen view |
| [05:35:11] | fryfrog: | it is *very* nice, just what you need |
| [05:35:17] | fryfrog: | wagner: ah |
| [05:35:30] | conathan: | BTW, how reliable is playing dvd's on linux anyway? |
| [05:35:32] | fryfrog: | i think S&T has a bit of being used in the car thought put into it |
| [05:35:42] | fryfrog: | conathan: playing dvds? it ain't no thang |
| [05:35:52] | fryfrog: | maybe playing hd-dvd/blu-ray is tougher, but i dunno :) |
| [05:35:56] | conathan: | thang |
| [05:36:01] | wagner: | my roommate borrowed it (S&T) one week going down to florida, he said it worked great |
| [05:36:16] | conathan: | fryfrog: just find that some dvd's dont work on the occassional chapter, but they work on a normal dvd player |
| [05:36:23] | fryfrog: | my problems may be with the laptop, or perhaps the crap gps |
| [05:36:30] | wagner: | well playing HD is hard just because theres no hardware acceleration in linux |
| [05:36:31] | conathan: | fryfrog: [mostly just a idle question, dont have a precise case] |
| [05:36:44] | fryfrog: | conathan: well, there are some dvds with horrible protection that may not work on a pc well (linux or windows) |
| [05:36:45] | wagner: | so the CPU is at its limit to decode the video |
| [05:36:58] | wagner: | beyond the fact of whatever encryption there is |
| [05:37:01] | fryfrog: | usually those are few and can be worked around in some manner, but that said i don't watch dvds in linux |
| [05:37:18] | fryfrog: | i usually rip em on osx or windows and watch em as .iso or .mkv |
| [05:37:25] | conathan: | fryfrog: was wondering if that was the case. |
| [05:37:34] | wagner: | same here, i rip on windows and then just access them with mythvideo |
| [05:37:42] | conathan: | fryfrog: also have this nagging feeling that it could be cheap hardware |
| [05:38:05] | fryfrog: | nah, probably just one of the few "lame" dvds with intentional errors and shit |
| [05:38:31] | conathan: | fryfrog: recent case was Indiana Jones |
| [05:38:40] | conathan: | fryfrog: played halfway through, then apparantly cant read any more |
| [05:39:25] | conathan: | BTW, it's the cheapest dvd burner I could fidn at the time (: |
| [05:47:22] | wagner: | the escape button does not work in media center |
| [05:47:27] | wagner: | what kind of shit is that |
| [05:47:35] | wagner: | how am i supposed to go back |
| [05:49:25] | Nik_Doof: | with dvb to i want a high or low SNR figure? |
| [05:50:01] | wagner: | the higher the better, in nearly every circumstance you see that value |
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| [05:50:37] | Nik_Doof: | mmm that could explain a few things then :) |
| [05:50:39] | Nik_Doof: | thanks |
| [05:54:36] | wagner: | SNR is signal to noise ratio |
| [05:55:09] | wagner: | the higher the number, the less the signal is being drown out by the background noise |
| [05:55:55] | wagner: | you can still be picking up a dirty signal, that cant be cleanly decoded |
| [05:56:25] | wagner: | usually if the transmitter is running at too high a power |
| [05:56:38] | wagner: | but i wouldnt expect that to be a problem with broadcast tv |
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| [08:54:27] | k-man_: | where is the mytharchive log file? |
| [08:54:37] | k-man_: | i want to read it outside of mytharchive |
| [08:57:24] | justinh: | where is the mytharchive temp working directory? ;) |
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| [08:59:16] | baalsgate: | i have a php problem in mythweb video ? |
| [08:59:23] | baalsgate: | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/objects/Video.php on line 74 |
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| [08:59:46] | baalsgate: | php.ini memory_limit is set to 128M |
| [09:01:09] | ** justinh fails to understand why some people run into issues like this ** | |
| [09:04:19] | ** baalsgate looks with an evil eye at justinh ** | |
| [09:07:03] | ** justinh ignores it ** | |
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| [09:10:12] | baalsgate: | justinh why say anything if its not helpful ? |
| [09:10:19] | justinh: | why not? |
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| [09:16:07] | purserj: | hmm, updated mplayer and now I'm getting issues with the screen going black during playback |
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| [09:19:21] | justinh: | similar problem, no solution : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=494870 |
| [09:19:32] | justinh: | purserj: is this channel #mplayer? I think not :) |
| [09:22:48] | justinh: | baalsgate: seems that 128MB isn't enough – but somebody tried upping it to 512MB & that wasn't enough. maybe you have squillions of videos |
| [09:23:46] | justinh: | and er.. have a look in mythweb.conf to see if it's not overridden to some lower value |
| [09:26:20] | justinh: | baalsgate: in my mythweb.conf I have php_value memory_limit 32M |
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| [09:28:10] | justinh: | and in php.ini memory_limit is set to 8M so maybe just maybe the mythweb.conf is overriding that |
| [09:28:30] | justinh: | so I'd prolly suggest raising that 32M & see how you go |
| [09:29:16] | purserj: | justinh: yar I am realising this, just looking for the correct flag to pass to mplayer within myth to stop it doing it |
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| [09:29:51] | ** justinh only ever uses internal now ** | |
| [09:30:04] | justinh: | even when I didn't I just stuck with xine |
| [09:30:20] | purserj: | can internal do xvid/divx now? |
| [09:30:36] | justinh: | been able to for ages! |
| [09:30:51] | purserj: | right |
| [09:30:54] | justinh: | only has some issues with mkv & junk AFAIK |
| [09:30:59] | purserj: | hmm time to have a little play around |
| [09:35:34] | baalsgate: | justinh i dont have a mythweb.conf were is that ? |
| [09:36:15] | justinh: | /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| [09:36:55] | baalsgate: | yea nothing in there but charset |
| [09:37:09] | baalsgate: | justinh what distro u using ? |
| [09:38:42] | justinh: | ubumtoo |
| [09:39:17] | baalsgate: | yea ok thats even stranger im running mythbuntu |
| [09:39:42] | justinh: | have you tried increasing the 128M value & restarting apache ? |
| [09:39:50] | baalsgate: | yes |
| [09:40:09] | baalsgate: | in php.ini it is already 128M |
| [09:40:15] | justinh: | dunno then. like I said earlier maybe you have zillions of videos & it can't cope |
| [09:40:33] | justinh: | either that or another file is overriding it |
| [09:40:37] | baalsgate: | but what i find odd is i dont have that file in /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| [09:40:57] | justinh: | try asking in #ubuntu-mythtv to see what crackpot shit they're doing ;) |
| [09:41:55] | justinh: | does everything else in mythweb work ok? |
| [09:42:07] | baalsgate: | is there a provides command for the package tool ? |
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| [09:43:07] | justinh: | doesn't look like a problem caused by anything being missing |
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| [09:43:44] | justinh: | how many videos do you have anyway? |
| [09:43:51] | baalsgate: | ok but you are running basicly the same thing yet you have a config file i dont |
| [09:44:06] | baalsgate: | oh less than 100 |
| [09:44:18] | justinh: | got 242 here & it's working fine |
| [09:44:45] | justinh: | best ask #ubuntu-mythtv to find out wtf the score is. I have NO idea what mythbuntu does to get mythweb going |
| [09:45:21] | justinh: | I don't use packages, that might be the difference |
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| [09:46:27] | justinh: | I dunno it might even have been a bug thatgot fixed after the mythbuntu packages were put together |
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| [09:52:27] | gbee: | who was it that wanted photos of my new case? |
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| [10:01:10] | gbee: | jduggan, justinh: http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/ |
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| [10:05:09] | grokky: | hi all |
| [10:06:37] | grokky: | anyone using a Sony Bravia X or XBR system with their mythtv system? Specifically Aussies with KDL46X3100 or other size? |
| [10:08:20] | otwin: | hmm, the icon downloader downloads icons but doesn't update the db... |
| [10:08:44] | otwin: | mythtv-setup -v database: http://www.pastebin.ca/1004786 |
| [10:10:54] | otwin: | the last query before the error seems ok: http://www.pastebin.ca/1004790 |
| [10:12:19] | justinh: | gbee: not bad but I still can't get away with those front ports :P |
| [10:12:37] | gbee: | :) |
| [10:13:27] | justinh: | where's yer svideo out? |
| [10:13:27] | gbee: | grokky: will be when it arrives sometime in the next week – a 32" though |
| [10:14:05] | gbee: | justinh: not shown there I hadn't soldered it together yet when those were taken, I'll take another photo |
| [10:14:31] | justinh: | so it's on a header on the board? neat-o |
| [10:16:22] | purserj: | hrmm I can't seem to untick default when trying to switch avi files to the Internal player |
| [10:17:42] | grokky: | gbee: Nice! I'm thinking about heading out in the morning and buying one too. been procrastinating for months about whether to get it. Been a bit worried about getting it working with Myth as I don't watch TV/video/movies any other way. |
| [10:18:07] | grokky: | gbee: but if you're getting one.... I feel a little more confident! |
| [10:18:09] | gbee: | |
| [10:18:17] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:18:22] | justinh: | I'd have done the same |
| [10:18:47] | gbee: | grokky: should work fine with mythtv, but I'll let you know :) The new system has HDMI out so ... |
| [10:18:57] | justinh: | lemme guess – the board was advertised as not having tv out? |
| [10:19:40] | gbee: | actually it was advertised as having tv-out on the MSI website, but possibly not on Ebuyer |
| [10:19:54] | grokky: | gbee: was planning on DVI to HDMI. but I'll spring for a new vid card if required. Was mostly worried about smooth playback etc. Running on CRT at the mo. |
| [10:19:59] | justinh: | *** OPTIONAL $$$$ EXTRA *** :D |
| [10:20:34] | gbee: | justinh: it's almost impossible to get the optional brackets, I could only find one place in the US that sold them |
| [10:20:36] | purserj: | much better, turns out the theme I was using didn't have the checkboxes |
| [10:21:16] | gbee: | grokky: not sure you need a new card |
| [10:21:26] | justinh: | purserj: yeh you wanna avoid those shite themes :P |
| [10:21:48] | gbee: | the Bravia models all seem to offer a VGA port – so you could even hook up directly |
| [10:22:00] | purserj: | justinh: heh, stick with the tried and true huh? |
| [10:22:31] | justinh: | I use the theme with no name which might never make it public |
| [10:22:51] | justinh: | need to work on the OSD but CBA |
| [10:23:15] | purserj: | now that I'm back online I need to start working on my mythnews stuff again |
| [10:23:32] | gbee: | |
| [10:23:58] | justinh: | my inlaws have a bravia 42". it's alright but the colours all look way oversaturated |
| [10:24:33] | justinh: | and never mind how cheap online is I'll buy from John Lewis. free del & 5 year warranty with a loaner |
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| [10:25:42] | grokky: | There's heaps of settings in the Bravia. comes with Vivid colour etc on by default. Had an opportunity to play with one at work and got the picture looking reasonable. |
| [10:25:51] | justinh: | I tried & failed |
| [10:26:37] | justinh: | there was off, which looked poo, vivid which was way OTT & 'normal' which was undersaturated – maybe 'normal' would take some getting used to after the default setting |
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| [10:27:08] | grokky: | I'm looking at about $3,000 AU for the 46". I'm running SD at present, so I'm a bit nervous about spending the dosh then discovering I'm not happy with HD through Myth. but what the hell, I'll give it a go. |
| [10:27:25] | justinh: | their set deals with motion brilliantly though – no nasty deinterlacing issues |
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| [10:28:13] | justinh: | when we've got a new bay window all put in & paid for maybe I'll *think* about a new telly |
| [10:28:19] | gbee: | I was happy enough with the picture compared to other models in-store (Comet gets dis-honourable mention for having 3/4 of their HD sets connected to an over-split analogue SD feed) |
| [10:28:36] | justinh: | gbee: heh. comet suck |
| [10:28:46] | justinh: | argos at least use a hdmi distributor |
| [10:28:52] | gbee: | yeah |
| [10:28:56] | grokky: | gbee: will you be running your Bravia off a myth box with HD from a DVB source or similar? |
| [10:28:57] | justinh: | that *really* lets you see the difference between sets |
| [10:29:10] | justinh: | what looks red on one looks purple on another – scary! |
| [10:29:19] | gbee: | grokky: yeah, DVB-S (and DVB-T eventually) |
| [10:29:25] | justinh: | grokky: HD? in the UK? lol |
| [10:29:48] | ** justinh sings the 'one or two channels of FTA HDTV in the UK' song again ** | |
| [10:29:49] | gbee: | only 2/3 HD channels available atm |
| [10:30:16] | justinh: | virgin media are still saying that one HD channel is enough! they want everybody to use their shitty on-demand thing |
| [10:30:20] | gbee: | more will be available on DVB-S in another few months |
| [10:30:23] | grokky: | yeah, most of the au HD channels are upscaled SD at present. not much HD native maybe a few shows per week per channel. |
| [10:30:51] | justinh: | show for show I think there's still less HD available compared to B&W vs colour |
| [10:31:19] | gbee: | justinh: their on-demand thing is actually pretty cool compared to what Sky offers, at least for films |
| [10:31:35] | gbee: | justinh: true |
| [10:31:43] | justinh: | we watched Love Soup from on-demand the other day – it was ace quality actually |
| [10:31:45] | grokky: | SD looks fine on my 68cm CRT TV! It'll probably look pretty ordinary spread across 46" of 1080p |
| [10:31:48] | justinh: | pity the box is so slow |
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| [10:33:11] | gbee: | justinh: I can live with a slow box versus Sky where you have to wait 30minutes, 1 hour or more between showings, Virgin really is on-demand whereas Sky isn't |
| [10:33:23] | ** justinh looks up the results to see if mr fat c*** Labour man lost his seat ** | |
| [10:34:00] | gbee: | "lets watch this film .... oh we've missed the 9pm showing and the next isn't until 6am ...." |
| [10:34:14] | justinh: | heheh yeah |
| [10:34:25] | justinh: | the old system was awful though |
| [10:34:29] | gbee: | and being able to pause VM so you can take a piss break or open another bottle of wine :) |
| [10:35:07] | justinh: | since switching off the analogue cable they've been able to do that |
| [10:35:14] | justinh: | it eats a lot of their bandwidth |
| [10:35:28] | justinh: | and they're getting the iPlayer onto our STBs soon :D |
| [10:35:44] | justinh: | I probably won't even need mythtv then tbh |
| [10:36:06] | justinh: | all the other shows I watch are already on demand |
| [10:36:23] | justinh: | my wife'll still use myth every day for her 1.2x soaps though :P |
| [10:42:22] | justinh: | hmm can't find out what happened in my ward :( |
| [10:42:42] | ** gbee goes to find out his local results ** | |
| [10:42:51] | gbee: | justinh: bbc website? local council site? |
| [10:42:59] | justinh: | Labour won overall in Manchester though. must be blind |
| [10:43:26] | justinh: | wanted to know if the fat git who happens to be our local councillor was voted out :) |
| [10:44:10] | gbee: | heh, Labour lost control of the council – no suprise really, they weren't too popular :) |
| [10:44:41] | justinh: | hmm I wonder why.. 10p anybody? |
| [10:44:47] | gbee: | bet they'll join with the conservatives to keep control though |
| [10:44:49] | justinh: | (and the rest) |
| [10:45:21] | justinh: | I saw there's a new party even more hard-line than the BNP. The English Nationals. OMG those guys have some scary ideas |
| [10:46:18] | Dibblah: | Vote em in, please. That way we get to keep our electricity, oil gas and water ;) |
| [10:46:24] | justinh: | often find myself wondering, if the likes of the far-right ever get in & manage to acheive everything on their manifesto – who'll they start on next? People with ginger hair? |
| [10:46:26] | purserj: | do they walk around in brown shirts? |
| [10:46:55] | gbee: | justinh: think more local issues had an effect here – labour were deliberately goading certain groups – installing parking meters in previously free parking areas but only in the lib dem wards etc but that backfired because no-one likes such dirty tricks |
| [10:46:57] | justinh: | purserj: they might aswell IMHO |
| [10:47:10] | purserj: | justinh: scary |
| [10:47:49] | justinh: | forcible repatriation of immigrants & people of er.. 'ethnic' origins (i.e. still those who were born here) |
| [10:48:23] | purserj: | oh goodo |
| [10:48:29] | justinh: | nutters |
| [10:48:45] | justinh: | probably try to make head shaving compulsory & ban women from working too |
| [10:49:30] | purserj: | sigh |
| [10:49:43] | purserj: | we've got similar orgs down here, the main one is called the League of Rights |
| [10:49:46] | justinh: | on the plus side I think they're the only lot with clear crime & punishment policies that make sense to me |
| [10:50:09] | justinh: | just a shame they're a bunch of bigoted, ignorant arseholes really :) |
| [10:50:15] | purserj: | except for the whole "20 years for being black/jewish/ginger" thing |
| [10:50:47] | justinh: | heh |
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| [11:11:32] | tuxi: | hi |
| [11:11:49] | tuxi: | i get this error when trying to watch live tv |
| [11:11:50] | tuxi: | http://pastebin.ca/1004847 |
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| [11:52:52] | Dibblah: | baalsgate: No, not really. |
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| [11:53:25] | Dibblah: | -users is a noisy channel, #mythtv is quiet. |
| [11:54:07] | gbee: | which is the way we like it |
| [11:54:12] | gbee: | ;) |
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| [11:55:46] | Dibblah: | baalsgate: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4351#comment:1 |
| [11:56:01] | Dibblah: | ... Of course, you could just try looking for yourelf ;) |
| [11:57:15] | ** janneg curses the syslog daemon in ubuntu ** | |
| [11:57:47] | janneg: | I have to restart it after bootup to enable logging to a serial console |
| [11:58:22] | Dibblah: | You need the serial module loaded earlier? |
| [11:58:37] | Dibblah: | Or manually create the /dev/ nodes... |
| [11:59:14] | janneg: | the second probably |
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| [12:00:44] | janneg: | I get the messages before sysklogd is started |
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| [12:38:28] | ** justinh is back from the pub. yet another leaving lunch ** | |
| [12:39:21] | justinh: | and what a fortuitous move, calling this product 'Vista'.. it is indeed a pile of steaming poo |
| [12:46:31] | ** justinh wonders if they have leaving do's for sacked employees ** | |
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| [13:07:28] | TelnetManta: | Vista stinks |
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| [13:09:05] | ravalox: | Hey, I just got a PVR 500 from hauppage to replace the two PVR 150s I had previously(to free a PCI slot for a sound card) and I am having a slight issue; it has an audible pop mixed in with the audio it records. |
| [13:09:16] | ravalox: | This doesn't happen often, but it's there. |
| [13:09:46] | ravalox: | I was under the impression that the PVR 500 was basically two 150s; but my 150s didn't have this issue? |
| [13:12:15] | justinh: | basically == !the same :) |
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| [13:16:36] | baalsgate: | has anyone fixed my problem ? |
| [13:17:52] | justinh: | baalsgate: did you ask in #ubuntu-mythtv to see where the config stuff is kept? |
| [13:18:02] | dustybin: | ive got a surround sound problem, on mythtvs audio settings menu, AC3 is not ticked, ive only ticked 'Enable DTS to SPDIF' pass through and selected max audio channels 5.1 etc. When i play a DVD and the audio track is on AC3 5.1 channel, does that actually mean DTS? or does the DCA 5ch track mean DTS? |
| [13:18:15] | baalsgate: | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/objects/Video.php on line 74 |
| [13:18:36] | justinh: | Ac3 == Ac3 |
| [13:18:39] | justinh: | DTS == DTS |
| [13:18:50] | dustybin: | what is DCA? |
| [13:18:59] | justinh: | fucked if I know tbh |
| [13:19:34] | dustybin: | so mythtv doesnt support DTS? on the box it says DTS |
| [13:19:53] | justinh: | I don't think I have any passthru stuff enabled yet all my DTS xvids play fine in DTS mode |
| [13:20:11] | dustybin: | justinh: what does your audio track say |
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| [13:20:20] | justinh: | the amp says DTS |
| [13:20:23] | justinh: | I believe the amp! |
| [13:20:35] | dustybin: | hmmm |
| [13:21:40] | justinh: | if your files came from reputable sources it might be clearer what the are ;) |
| [13:21:43] | dustybin: | at the moment ive selected the AC3 5.1 audio track, it plays the sound but voices are really quiet |
| [13:21:58] | justinh: | not using analogue out? |
| [13:21:59] | dustybin: | this is a original dvd |
| [13:22:11] | dustybin: | justinh: im using digital out spdif |
| [13:22:32] | justinh: | maybe your centre level is too low |
| [13:23:06] | dustybin: | there is a 'Dolby Digital EX / DTS ES' button on my amp but i can never get it to respond |
| [13:23:18] | justinh: | no automagical detection? rofl |
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| [13:23:32] | dustybin: | the 'Pro logic II / neo 6' button works |
| [13:23:38] | justinh: | I have a place on the dial named 'MythTV auto' |
| [13:24:06] | justinh: | neo6 is some kind of lame guessy analogue up-processing thing AFAIK |
| [13:24:28] | dustybin: | not good |
| [13:24:42] | dustybin: | maybe my soundcard isnt sending out the DTS signals |
| [13:24:43] | ravalox: | Can anyone recommend a working PCI express sound card? |
| [13:25:26] | justinh: | ravalox: maybe check the www.onedevandallsoundcards.com site – aka alsadriver.org :) |
| [13:25:48] | justinh: | dustybin: DTS Neo:6 |
| [13:25:50] | justinh: | Provides 5.1 or 6.1 channels of matrix decoding from stereo matrix material. Also decodes Extended Surround matrix sound tracks and has a Music mode to expand stereo non-matrix recordings to 5.1 or 6.1 channels. |
| [13:26:06] | justinh: | in other words... processed bullshit |
| [13:26:26] | justinh: | lemme check my settings |
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| [13:27:36] | justinh: | assThruOutputDevice | Default | core2frontend | |
| [13:27:36] | justinh: | | AC3PassThru | 1 | core2frontend | |
| [13:27:37] | justinh: | | DTSPassThru | 1 | core2frontend |
| [13:27:50] | justinh: | er.. PassThruOutputDevice | Default | core2frontend | |
| [13:27:54] | justinh: | not assthrough :P |
| [13:28:29] | justinh: | seems I have the passthru stuff enabled after all |
| [13:29:00] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [13:29:25] | justinh: | just cos I don't remember setting it, dunt mean it aint ;) |
| [13:29:26] | dustybin: | im going to tick both AC3 and DTS, ive got the alsamixer up, i managed to get a load of white noise through the speakers |
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| [13:29:56] | justinh: | oh yeah when I play digital audio stuff, I get weird noises out of the analogue channels |
| [13:30:02] | justinh: | no biggie |
| [13:31:42] | dustybin: | my upmix is set to passive |
| [13:32:10] | justinh: | not set any upmixing to take place |
| [13:32:27] | justinh: | AudioUpmixType | 0 | core2frontend |
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| [13:32:36] | justinh: | whatever that means |
| [13:32:36] | dustybin: | my amp always seems to auto detect pro logic ii and not DTS |
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| [13:32:57] | justinh: | sounds like the upmixing bollocks is messing with it then |
| [13:33:02] | dustybin: | aye ok |
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| [13:33:46] | dustybin: | there is not option to turn off upmix, can only select, passive, active linear, active simple |
| [13:33:51] | justinh: | never seen the point in trying to turn stereo into multichannel goodness. it's impossible |
| [13:34:17] | justinh: | mine must be set on the default then – passive (I think) |
| [13:34:39] | dustybin: | this are my entire audio settings |
| [13:34:41] | justinh: | maybe your alsa setup isn't enabling the non-audio bit for the passthru stuff |
| [13:34:42] | dustybin: | these |
| [13:35:00] | justinh: | read a few reports of that on the lusers mailing list a while back |
| [13:35:24] | dustybin: | Audio output device: ALSA:default Passthrough output device: ALSA:iec958:(AESO 0x02) |
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| [13:35:40] | dustybin: | max audio channels: 5.1 upmix: passive |
| [13:35:56] | dustybin: | Enable AC3 ticked Enable DTS ticked |
| [13:36:15] | dustybin: | Agressive sound card buffering + use internal volumes no tick |
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| [13:38:55] | dustybin: | bloody heck, i changed some stuff in alsamixer, played the dvd and its now froze |
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| [13:41:45] | justinh: | dustybin: try setting max channels to stereo |
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| [13:43:02] | dustybin: | aye ok |
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| [13:45:39] | EricTheRed: | hey guys |
| [13:46:00] | EricTheRed: | I'm going to create a mythtv Ubuntu box in Canada |
| [13:46:00] | dustybin: | i changed some channels on also mixer to PCM OUT, now my amp has displayed some new stuff |
| [13:46:27] | EricTheRed: | What card can I get that will decode Canadian digital signal? |
| [13:47:45] | ** justinh points all the ubuntu users at #ubuntu-mythtv ** | |
| [13:48:54] | dustybin: | when i press DTS on my amp, it now responds and says 'auto mode' |
| [13:49:02] | GreyFoxx: | Eric: any standard QAM capable card |
| [13:49:12] | GreyFoxx: | Assuming you are talking about digital cable |
| [13:49:34] | justinh: | dustybin: sucks even having to press a button to get different surround input modes |
| [13:49:37] | GreyFoxx: | bgut be warned there is no guarantee on how many channels will come in unencrypted |
| [13:50:14] | dustybin: | it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5.1 DTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [13:50:28] | justinh: | my AV receiver just takes digital input & decides what to do with it |
| [13:51:26] | dustybin: | the strange thing is, its made the dvd video choppy |
| [13:51:27] | i_is_cat: | i bought a cowon D2 |
| [13:51:40] | dustybin: | how can audio make my dvd video choppy? |
| [13:51:49] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:51:52] | dustybin: | it was smooth before |
| [13:52:06] | dustybin: | audio hasnt anything to do with video?! |
| [13:52:07] | dustybin: | odd |
| [13:52:12] | justinh: | it has! |
| [13:52:14] | i_is_cat: | know whats smooth? the cowon D2 |
| [13:52:22] | i_is_cat: | oo0o0o baby cant wait for it to arrive |
| [13:52:58] | dustybin: | 5.1 fixed now its broke smooth dvd video :( |
| [13:53:22] | EricTheRed: | greyfoxx: I'm using cogeco cable and they said that I have a digital package .. they want me to buy a PVR and register it with them... how will a PC card have the codes to decode the signal? |
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| [13:53:41] | justinh: | EricTheRed: it won't! |
| [13:53:47] | GreyFoxx: | Eric: It wont |
| [13:53:50] | justinh: | EricTheRed: if anything is encrypted, you can't get it |
| [13:53:58] | GreyFoxx: | You can only capture in the clear stuff |
| [13:54:05] | EricTheRed: | what can I use to get it unencrypted? |
| [13:54:20] | justinh: | EricTheRed: which part of 'you can't' is the problem? |
| [13:54:27] | GreyFoxx: | There is no hardware other than the settop box the cableco has to unencrypt it |
| [13:54:37] | GreyFoxx: | You can record it's output |
| [13:54:40] | EricTheRed: | So your saying people have no created a Mythtv server before in Canada |
| [13:54:41] | EricTheRed: | ohhh |
| [13:54:50] | GreyFoxx: | Eric: I am in Canada |
| [13:54:59] | GreyFoxx: | "Canada" has nothing to do with it :) |
| [13:55:04] | i_is_cat: | canada is the pwnage |
| [13:55:10] | EricTheRed: | so please tell me how my setup would look |
| [13:55:17] | EricTheRed: | I have the cable coming in my basement |
| [13:55:20] | i_is_cat: | im in canada and i have a myth setup |
| [13:55:21] | i_is_cat: | ; |
| [13:55:23] | i_is_cat: | ;) |
| [13:55:28] | EricTheRed: | that goes into a PVR then into the mythtv box? |
| [13:55:37] | GreyFoxx: | You can always record the analog outputs of their settop box, OR if they have a settop box with firewire output you can record that |
| [13:55:49] | GreyFoxx: | OR if they have unencrypted digital channels you can record them with a DVB card |
| [13:55:56] | justinh: | hahahaha 'mark watched videos' has no patch attached. oops |
| [13:56:11] | EricTheRed: | okay, so there's no way around it.. I need a PVR box |
| [13:56:15] | EricTheRed: | nicccce :( |
| [13:56:25] | justinh: | welcome to the digital age, EricTheRed |
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| [13:56:32] | GreyFoxx: | Eric: Well you might not need their "pvr" as much as their settop box |
| [13:56:39] | GreyFoxx: | they are usually seperate products |
| [13:56:41] | EricTheRed: | what is the difference? :S |
| [13:56:47] | GreyFoxx: | 1 costs more :) |
| [13:57:04] | EricTheRed: | but I need firewire output to make this work right? |
| [13:57:14] | justinh: | EricTheRed: for HDTV yes |
| [13:57:17] | EricTheRed: | like I want to be able to change the chanel on the mythtv server |
| [13:57:28] | EricTheRed: | and I dont' want HDTV |
| [13:57:33] | EricTheRed: | just standard digital |
| [13:57:44] | GreyFoxx: | In my case I have cable coming in. a Split to my PVR250's to capture analog channels, a split to a DVB card to get the unencrypted Digital channels, and a split to a stb. The STB has firewire out which I use to record all of my digital channels including HDTV |
| [13:58:30] | EricTheRed: | ahh okay thanks GreyFoxx |
| [13:58:34] | EricTheRed: | that helped a lot! |
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| [14:00:13] | foolish: | I'm trying to use xvmc to get better performance when playing video. I'm using the intel driver version 2.3.0 and I have XvMC enabled, my X log: http://rafb.net/p/H0Kqra48.html. When I try to play someting using the XvMC video output however, it fails with the following messages (mplayer): http://rafb.net/p/8EtHAd86.html |
| [14:01:03] | justinh: | xvmc was broken on intel drivers for quite a while, and still is on most distros |
| [14:01:09] | justinh: | get MOAR MHZ |
| [14:01:26] | foolish: | pardon? |
| [14:01:48] | justinh: | faster cpu |
| [14:01:57] | foolish: | This is using the latest intel driver, which according to the release notes is supposed to have XvMC support. |
| [14:02:24] | justinh: | since you're having problems with mplayer, how about #mplayer then? |
| [14:03:01] | foolish: | Same problem with Xine, so it's a driver issue. #xorg is dead and this channel usually have a lot of video related knowledge. |
| [14:03:21] | justinh: | not much sympathy towards xvmc here right now |
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| [14:03:34] | foolish: | I see. |
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| [14:04:35] | marl: | hi folks, anyone know of a download location for winmyth? myth frontend for windoz |
| [14:04:37] | marl: | ? |
| [14:05:59] | justinh: | marl http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=wi . . . ch&meta= |
| [14:06:55] | justinh: | oof. last update february 2006. hahaha |
| [14:07:09] | marl: | yup all the ones i could find from there were pointing to the SF website and it says it cant display the files, and to goto https://projects.nudieman.com/winMyth/ wich is asking for a username/.password :( |
| [14:07:53] | justinh: | rofl |
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| [14:08:44] | justinh: | try the mythtv player |
| [14:08:49] | iamlindoro_: | Strange, that's not the reliability one would expect of "nudieman.com" |
| [14:09:02] | justinh: | http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/ |
| [14:09:14] | marl: | i need a windoz frontend for playing myth recordings, have got mythtvplayer, but i cant find a way of restricting the ability to delete recordings, i can turn the option off, but i dont know how to stop a user from going into options to turn the option back on :( |
| [14:09:27] | cal_: | marl: you could also just use a myth livecd distro |
| [14:09:50] | justinh: | tapeworm ? |
| [14:10:00] | justinh: | nero showcenter |
| [14:10:12] | justinh: | WMP11 on Vista (allegedly) |
| [14:10:17] | marl: | want to allow the kids to playback recordings, but not allow them to delete them! |
| [14:10:26] | marl: | tapeworm? |
| [14:10:39] | marl: | and at the moment the kids use windoz laptops :( |
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| [14:10:43] | justinh: | give the kids linux to play with! |
| [14:11:03] | justinh: | that'll serve em right |
| [14:13:27] | ksu_mustang: | Does anyone know if MythTV can play streaming audio? Like from a internet Radio or maybe even pandora? |
| [14:13:58] | justinh: | no it can't. not without the infamous mythstream (eeeuch) plugin or Eskil's shoutcast patch for mythmusic |
| [14:14:26] | ksu_mustang: | "infamous mythstream"? |
| [14:14:38] | justinh: | barely working/unofficial/crashy |
| [14:15:02] | ksu_mustang: | ahhh |
| [14:15:16] | justinh: | we're waiting for some guy's patches. have been for a few years now |
| [14:16:18] | justinh: | rumour has it that proper streaming audio support is coming to mythmusic & it'll be ready when it's ready |
| [14:17:03] | ksu_mustang: | That will work for me. :-) |
| [14:17:25] | justinh: | eew pandora – yet another US-only service. fcukers |
| [14:17:32] | ksu_mustang: | The wife likes to listen to some European Internet Radio stations and was just asking |
| [14:17:57] | ksu_mustang: | meh... it works for me, I'm not very into music, I just "need something playing" at work |
| [14:17:59] | justinh: | you can make custom menu items to listen to internet radio |
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| [14:41:30] | marl: | anyone know if there is any kind of ACL for wythweb? |
| [14:42:18] | marl: | to allow users to watch recordings but not delete, or allow them to confiigure recording squedules, but only alow the use of one tunner at a time type thing? |
| [14:42:26] | Penfold: | marl: someone was asking this yesterday, IIRC the answer is no, beyond the HTTP auth that protects it |
| [14:42:28] | marl: | mythweb that should have been! |
| [14:42:43] | marl: | ok thanks |
| [14:42:50] | marl: | wasnt me yesterday btw! |
| [14:43:58] | marl: | does mythweb setup recordings etc, by storing data in the mysql backend?, could i setup another mythweb front end, and give it only read perms for the DB? |
| [14:44:39] | marl: | im asking here, cus im no programer!!!! would take me YEARS to go through mythweb to try and work out how it works! |
| [14:45:32] | gbee: | marl: no, it connects to the backend directly to schedule recordings, so giving it read only access to the DB wouldn't prevent people messing with recordings if they have access to mythweb |
| [14:48:39] | dustybin: | i managed to get dvd playback smooth with 5.1 DTS by muting all the unused channels on the alsamixer :D |
| [14:49:03] | dustybin: | this is serious stuff! |
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| [14:49:48] | dustybin: | i have to manually switch 2 channels on alsomixer to PCM OUT for DTS 5.1, and for digital TV i have to manually change those channels to DIGITAL |
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| [15:16:34] | tuxd00d: | Where should I start when trying to diagnose video issues. I don't even know how to describe the problem very well. The recordings kinda look like they jump around, like an old TV warming up. |
| [15:18:28] | ravalox: | Informal review, PVR 500; yay or nay? |
| [15:18:55] | cesman: | yay |
| [15:19:21] | ravalox: | I am comparing it to two 150s and I think the 150s win out in quality. |
| [15:20:29] | beandog: | I thought the 150 was dual tuner |
| [15:20:35] | PatrickDK: | 500 is qual |
| [15:20:37] | PatrickDK: | dual |
| [15:20:41] | PatrickDK: | 150 is single |
| [15:20:54] | PatrickDK: | now the question is are you even comparing them fairly :) |
| [15:21:02] | PatrickDK: | does your 500 have different tuners than your 150's |
| [15:21:21] | ravalox: | That's a good question, I don't know. |
| [15:21:24] | PatrickDK: | cause well, hauppauge has used like 3 or 4 different model of tuners on all their analog cards |
| [15:21:29] | ravalox: | I was under the impression they were. |
| [15:22:18] | PatrickDK: | the only fair way is to use the most current of both, or to make sure they are the same tuners on both |
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| [15:24:37] | sshirley: | Hi all. Any myth developers on here right now? |
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| [15:25:08] | ** PatrickDK smacks sshirley ** | |
| [15:25:18] | sshirley: | lol |
| [15:25:19] | PatrickDK: | that has to be the most pointless thing to ever ask |
| [15:25:34] | sshirley: | Awesome. :-) |
| [15:25:35] | PatrickDK: | if you need a *developer*, why are you in the users channel? |
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| [15:25:45] | ajh: | anyone done patches to abort recording if a channel is found to be encrypted after a tune? |
| [15:25:56] | PatrickDK: | if you don't want to talk in the developer channel, then your question isn't for a developer and you know that |
| [15:27:37] | sshirley: | What is the name of the developer channel? #mythtv-devel? |
| [15:28:27] | Dibblah: | #mythtv – But why? |
| [15:28:39] | Dibblah: | Ask the question here :) |
| [15:28:59] | Dibblah: | There's a few real devs here, but mostly fanbois. |
| [15:29:06] | Dibblah: | Such as my elf. |
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| [15:32:05] | sshirley: | I just wanted to know what facilities might be built-in to myth that would allow me to capture sound from a microphone. Or do I have to use another library/application? I am building a karaoke module and need to pass sound from the microphone to the output. |
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| [15:37:08] | PatrickDK: | that sounds almost impossible, unless you use the built in soundcard functions to do that |
| [15:37:32] | PatrickDK: | cause your never going to get the audio of the video and the person synced up if you use software |
| [15:37:52] | iamlindoro__: | Doesn't seem to me you want to be capturing the audio anyway, since it's a karaoke application... Sounds more like you want to interface with ALSA and do a loopthrough rather than a capture |
| [15:37:56] | iamlindoro__: | ah, PatrickDK beat me to it |
| [15:38:34] | PatrickDK: | sorry, I will sleep before answering next time :) |
| [15:38:45] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [15:39:16] | PatrickDK: | I need to trim the lawn :( |
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| [15:42:39] | ** iamlindoro__ shakes his head at people trying to run Myth components on router-type devices. ** | |
| [15:43:20] | iamlindoro__: | In an age where hardware requirements are steadily going up, people are aiming to squish stuff onto ever-more-ridiculous hardware |
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| [15:45:48] | PatrickDK: | the only point I see to that is to save power |
| [15:45:56] | PatrickDK: | and if that is the case, why don't you use tivo :) |
| [15:46:01] | sshirley: | iamlindoro: That sounds exactly like what I want to do. I don't really want to capture. All I want to do is pass through the sound. Nothing more. Right now just on one microphone and then later 2 microphones |
| [15:46:29] | PatrickDK: | sshirley, you need to configure alsamixer, or mix it in using your pa system |
| [15:46:37] | iamlindoro__: | sshirley, Your best bet is probably to look at the ALSA API stuff |
| [15:47:12] | PatrickDK: | sorry, I forgot to sleep :) |
| [15:47:23] | iamlindoro__: | haha, well at least they were minimally different that time |
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| [15:52:07] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro__: but if you don't capture the karaoke you won't have any blackmail material for a rainy day |
| [15:52:38] | iamlindoro__: | AndyCap, Given some of the karaoke I've heard, I couldn't bring myself to be so cruel :) |
| [15:53:10] | PatrickDK: | normally, you should just use a dvd recorder or something for that |
| [15:53:17] | PatrickDK: | and sell them to the victoms |
| [15:54:06] | AndyCap: | cruel? well, that would be the essence of effective blackmail yes. :) |
| [15:55:57] | tuxi: | am i wrong, or is there no way to change the behaviour that every watched tv snap is recorded? |
| [15:57:09] | iamlindoro__: | not sure what "snap" means, but if you mean live tv is always recorded, then yes, it will always be recorded no matter what |
| [15:57:18] | AndyCap: | tuxi: every thing you watch is recorded yes. there is a couple of timelimits you can adjusts. How long to keep live tv max |
| [15:57:34] | AndyCap: | tuxi: and how short a clip is before it's immediately expired |
| [15:57:44] | GreyFoxx: | tuxi: It will be auto deleted after a day unless you changed the expire values |
| [15:58:07] | PatrickDK: | guess it's time to install two different mythtv systems, one for the family, and one so the wife doesn't know I'm watching the nudie channels |
| [15:58:28] | GreyFoxx: | Why? Your wife doesn't know you like sex ? :) |
| [15:58:36] | PatrickDK: | oh, she knows |
| [15:58:42] | PatrickDK: | but she refuses to admit it |
| [15:58:48] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [15:58:49] | iamlindoro__: | Change the callsign to "GOLF" and remove the listings |
| [15:58:57] | GreyFoxx: | hhaha |
| [15:58:58] | PatrickDK: | hehe |
| [15:59:08] | AndyCap: | maybe it's the socially unacceptably nudie channel. |
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| [16:29:13] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: were you asking after that new case? I promised someone I'd show a bunch of photos I took while building the thing but I can't remember who it was ... |
| [16:30:18] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, Ah, don't think it was me |
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| [16:31:37] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: ok, guess I'll have to wait for whoever it was to bug me :) |
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| [16:36:10] | Cointoss: | 2008-05–02 18:33:39.530 Connection timed out. |
| [16:36:10] | Cointoss: | You probably should modify the Master Server |
| [16:36:10] | Cointoss: | settings in the setup program and set the |
| [16:36:10] | Cointoss: | proper IP address. |
| [16:36:10] | Cointoss: | can anyone help me on that please? |
| [16:36:56] | Cointoss: | ip adress is actually set properly... |
| [16:37:07] | Cointoss: | at least i thougth so |
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| [16:49:02] | Andreaz: | Any advice against a completly blank main menu with last svn? |
| [16:49:24] | Andreaz: | Not entirely complete... Time and the word "mythtv" is present. |
| [16:50:09] | Andreaz: | Tried to reset the theme to qt4-painter. no success... |
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| [16:52:38] | Andreaz: | Replaced the xvmc lib from XvMCW to XvMCNvidia, cause new configure said so. Still the same. |
| [16:53:40] | sphery: | Sounds more like you're missing the fonts--probably MS core web fonts |
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| [17:41:56] | fn1: | xris, next time you update the mythweb, think you could add in uptime? just something to think about ;) |
| [17:42:10] | xris: | huh? |
| [17:42:19] | justinh: | uptime == some boringly large number :P |
| [17:42:27] | xris: | the backend stats stage comes from the backend, not mythweb |
| [17:42:28] | fn1: | isnt mythweb yours? |
| [17:43:03] | justinh: | mythweb doesn't even need to live on the same machine as the backend, so what use would it be for those people? |
| [17:43:27] | fn1: | i was just thinking it would be cool, to look at the stats page and see when the last time my machine was rebooted... |
| [17:44:42] | xris: | fn1: you're talking about the backend status page in mythweb, right? that's generated by the backend. mythweb just proxies it. |
| [17:44:55] | fn1: | justinh: well whereever it lives... it could be made to run uptime for the backend |
| [17:45:18] | justinh: | the backend could be made to report it, as xris says it'd have to |
| [17:45:23] | fn1: | xris: yeah.. i was thinking it wouldnt be to hard to add in uptime though...even though its generated differently |
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| [17:46:08] | xris: | fn1: except that uptime on the mythweb box is meaningless for a lot of people. would be better to pull it from all of the backends show them all. |
| [17:47:42] | fn1: | ok there ya go then ;) |
| [17:48:14] | fn1: | was just an idea.. thought id plant that in there.. and if you were working on it one day.. and went why not... maybe it would showup |
| [17:48:38] | fn1: | thats what i was trying to get out.. the uptime for the backend |
| [17:49:33] | justinh: | I thought the general idea was to have mythbackend up for as long as possible so that uptime wouldn't matter :P |
| [17:49:40] | iamlindoro__: | fn1, You can just do a miscellaneous script that returns that info |
| [17:49:44] | ** cesman ponders why folks that thinking something is trivial just don't do it themselves then send a patch.... ** | |
| [17:49:59] | theholyduck: | mythtv uses mplayer to play video right? |
| [17:49:59] | fn1: | ...displayed on the mythweb stats page |
| [17:50:07] | theholyduck: | or am i very mistaken? |
| [17:50:15] | iamlindoro__: | You are very mistaken |
| [17:50:16] | justinh: | hey I was getting uptime on mythbackend of one day & now it's only 23 hours at a time – wtf is up with that?! |
| [17:50:16] | cesman: | mistaken |
| [17:50:18] | theholyduck: | ;( |
| [17:50:24] | theholyduck: | iamlindoro__, then i wont be installing it :P |
| [17:50:24] | xris: | theholyduck: best to use its own internal player |
| [17:50:33] | ** theholyduck needs his .ass support ** | |
| [17:50:39] | iamlindoro__: | oh noooooooooo whatever will I do |
| [17:50:45] | theholyduck: | iamlindoro__, :P |
| [17:50:46] | xris: | theholyduck: mplayer, xine and mythtv all use ffmpeg to play video |
| [17:50:55] | theholyduck: | xris, sure. but mplayer renders .ass |
| [17:51:22] | xris: | theholyduck: mythtv doesn't record in .ass |
| [17:51:23] | cesman: | only if your are watching pr0n |
| [17:51:27] | justinh: | mythtv's ffmpeg is sometimes a little out of kilter with what mplayer & the rest use – nothing major, usually |
| [17:51:33] | xris: | mythvideo can be configured to call whatever player you want. |
| [17:52:05] | theholyduck: | xris, well yeah it does not record in .ass, but my 2 terrabyte of media is atleast 30% .ass for subtitles |
| [17:52:57] | xris: | mythtv == record and playback TV, not "play back media files" |
| [17:53:04] | xris: | mythtvideo == "play back media files" |
| [17:53:10] | xris: | "mythvideo" |
| [17:53:20] | theholyduck: | :) |
| [17:53:28] | justinh: | 2TB of leet downloads ftw! yay! |
| [17:53:35] | theholyduck: | justinh, totally :P |
| [17:53:50] | theholyduck: | most of what i have is only partially illegal too :P |
| [17:53:51] | justinh: | no sympathy from here then, you thief |
| [17:54:11] | kormoc: | theholyduck, we don't talk about where media or the like is from in this channel. It can get you banned |
| [17:54:18] | theholyduck: | :) |
| [17:55:05] | xris: | theholyduck: and mythvideo can use whatever player you tell it to |
| [17:55:07] | iamlindoro__: | Partially illegal = kinda pregnant |
| [17:55:12] | theholyduck: | iamlindoro__, hehe |
| [17:55:48] | theholyduck: | i COULD go into a lenghty explanation about why its only partially illegal. but its not like it matters |
| [17:55:55] | theholyduck: | xris, thanks then :) |
| [17:56:22] | theholyduck: | soo if i configure mplayer to render .ass subtitles automatically. and tell mythvideo to use mplayer. that should work? |
| [17:56:31] | xris: | theholyduck: there's no "partially" about it in the US.. which is where this channel is "based".. and we follow US law. |
| [17:56:33] | justinh: | fansubs then. equally unsympathetic to that course |
| [17:56:53] | theholyduck: | justinh, well you have the owning most of it in RL approach too :P |
| [17:59:13] | theholyduck: | anyways i got my answer |
| [17:59:18] | iamlindoro__: | fn1, Just to get back to what you said-- miscellaneous scripts return info that is displayed in the stats page... you can have what you want *today* if you just write a little four or five line script |
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| [18:02:19] | iamlindoro__: | check contrib/ for more info, should be doable in about 5 minutes |
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| [18:03:23] | fn1: | cool |
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| [18:20:33] | iamlindoro__: | fn1, "printf "Uptime []:[]uptime[]:[]`uptime`\n"," in a script ought to do it |
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| [18:21:22] | iamlindoro__: | I just added that to the example myth-sensors.sh script and it appears to work fine |
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| [18:28:07] | sebrock: | Does anyone know a nice way to check exactly which module that is loaded? I'm fiddling with dkms and is starting to suspect that the old unpatched module is beeing loaded instead... |
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| [18:29:22] | gbee: | no, but try delete the old version – it's probably a module.ko.gz module.ko clash |
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| [18:29:25] | sebrock: | mm dmesg gave me the message |
| [18:29:37] | sebrock: | think I found it |
| [18:31:16] | keith4: | how about "lsmod" and "modinfo"? |
| [18:32:48] | sebrock: | thanks got it! |
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| [18:40:13] | penney: | so I'm using mythtv 0.21 and I'm not getting successful pulls for my IMDB data in mythVideo anymore. I tried replacing imdb.pl with the one from SVN. Bottom line is I'm not getting plot information anymore. And this is on videos that I've moved and previously had plot info.. is this a known issue? Is there some fix you guys know about? |
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| [19:04:20] | sebrock: | can anyone interpret this for me: /usr/sbin/dkms: line 28: popd: directory stack empty |
| [19:04:34] | sebrock: | what I get when trying to build a module with dkms |
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| [19:20:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | penney: I just checked my system, and the IMDB plot info isn't there... Most likely IMDB changed the format of their web page, and the script doesn't know how to grab it anymore. |
| [19:21:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | penney: Depending on what changed, it may be a simple change, or it may be much more complex... |
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| [19:23:31] | ** sphery wonders what was the final result of the question to IMDB about license/TOS issues ** | |
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| [19:30:06] | keith4: | what is dkms? |
| [19:30:49] | Anduin: | sphery: We are in violation |
| [19:35:57] | sphery: | Anduin: so is it coming out? |
| [19:35:58] | GreyFoxx: | Don't support we could pay them a modest fee to allow users "proper" access to the data ? |
| [19:36:04] | GreyFoxx: | s/support/suppose/ |
| [19:36:19] | sphery: | how did the other one (Freevo?) get permission? |
| [19:36:38] | Anduin: | sphery: I'm going to make one last push, try contacting Freevo again (they have permission), and send actual paper to imdb, otherwise, yes I plan to remove it. |
| [19:36:45] | keith4: | didn't imdb start as a giant text file, just floating around? |
| [19:36:54] | keith4: | how did that *not* end up "free"? |
| [19:36:56] | GreyFoxx: | andu: ouch |
| [19:36:58] | famicom: | hey |
| [19:37:07] | famicom: | How can i select a specific alsasink in mythtv |
| [19:37:08] | Anduin: | Yes, they were much more open, their DB is still openish, just a pain. |
| [19:37:15] | GreyFoxx: | keith: just like cddb |
| [19:37:27] | GreyFoxx: | users fill it in, people runner servers sell it etc etc |
| [19:37:27] | keith4: | ugh |
| [19:37:41] | Anduin: | I fully expect someone to keep the imdb.pl script working, just keeping it out of the source tree is enough for me. |
| [19:37:57] | GreyFoxx: | and: I will happily host it |
| [19:37:59] | Anduin: | omdb looks like it will be good enough, some day |
| [19:38:05] | GreyFoxx: | and if a user wants it they can download it from me |
| [19:38:17] | sphery: | I want omdb to grow. |
| [19:38:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | penney: I just 'hacked' it to work... just change lines 169 and 171 in imdb.pl: 169 – from: ">Plot Outline:</h5> ", "</div>"); to: |
| [19:38:23] | sphery: | Too bad tv.com is so not open... |
| [19:38:34] | GreyFoxx: | Sphery: For episode data? |
| [19:38:43] | GreyFoxx: | Or do they do movie posters as well >? |
| [19:38:48] | sphery: | episode data |
| [19:38:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | penney: to: ">Plot:</h5>", "<a"); and 171 from "Plot Summary:" to "Tagline: |
| [19:39:01] | GreyFoxx: | spher: That would be nice |
| [19:39:12] | sphery: | there's a lot of good stuff in tv.com and a lot of people spending a lot of their time volunteering to write good stuff, but I'll never contribute because it's not open |
| [19:39:23] | sphery: | (I've seen a lot of mistakes and I laugh at not fixing them. :) |
| [19:39:33] | keith4: | that's the spirit! |
| [19:39:34] | keith4: | ha |
| [19:39:52] | Anduin: | Hmm, I wasn't aware imdb.pl was currently broken, open tickets people! :) |
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| [19:40:06] | keith4: | sounds like we already have a fix |
| [19:40:19] | sphery: | but the rest of we don't ;) |
| [19:40:23] | famicom: | How do i select a specific alsasink in mythtv |
| [19:40:25] | famicom: | anyone?> |
| [19:40:28] | famicom: | any takers? |
| [19:40:34] | Anduin: | Yeah, but he can't commit it and if I had still been searching for my insurance card I would have missed it |
| [19:40:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Anduin: hehe... ;-) I didn't realize it was 'broken' either, until penney pointed it out and I checked it... then I took a chance at fixing it on my system...;-) Just changing the search string(s) |
| [19:40:52] | keith4: | wtf is an alsasink? |
| [19:41:32] | sphery: | well, ALSA differered from OSS because it was huge and ugly--had everything but the kitchen sink in it. Now it has the kitchen sink, too. |
| [19:41:49] | keith4: | oh, sweet |
| [19:41:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work needs to get up to speed on becoming a more active 'coding' contributor... ;-) ** | |
| [19:41:57] | ** keith4 puts some dishes in alsa ** | |
| [19:42:08] | sphery: | (BTW, I'm inferring the real/current OSS--not the old, ugly OSS in the kernel) |
| [19:42:12] | sphery: | is good |
| [19:42:22] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A|work: so do all the other users :P |
| [19:42:35] | keith4: | speaking of alsa being huge and ugly... what's the deal with pulse audio? |
| [19:42:43] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: the last 5 characters of your nick are what will get in the way... |
| [19:42:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: Trouble is I know how to do alot of stuff, but as I get older, I don't have TIME to do it all... ;-) |
| [19:42:53] | justinh: | linux needed another audio system that doesn't work properly |
| [19:43:02] | keith4: | apparently the new ubuntu uses it... so, is myth frontend audio-less on the new ubuntu? |
| [19:43:18] | justinh: | keith4: why else would myth support subtitles? |
| [19:43:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: exactly ;-) That's where I am now, playing on IRC instead of doing actual work... ;-) (oops, I didn't say that, did I?) |
| [19:43:31] | keith4: | justinh: excellent point |
| [19:43:34] | sphery: | I've heard (though not confirmed) that new OSS has gone fully open source... Don't know if it's GPL, but if so, the politics will get interesting... |
| [19:43:39] | ** GreyFoxx wonders where commercial PVR's get their movie data/posters..... do they all use imdb in some fashion or are their companies like TMS that cater just to that sort of thing ? ** | |
| [19:44:04] | justinh: | they either pay for IMDB or get it from the same place they get everything else I'd bet |
| [19:44:08] | keith4: | we need a schedules direct analogue to imdb |
| [19:44:21] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: hope you're using IRC over an encrypted ssh tunnel or something so that your employers don't notice what you said as they monitor traffic. :) |
| [19:44:22] | justinh: | well that'd be one service I wouldn't pay for |
| [19:44:23] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work has wondered the same thing... If I only had a 'media center' POS to reverse-engineer via sniffing it with 'ethereal' or something... ;-) ** | |
| [19:44:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: ssh tunnel to my myth box! ;-) |
| [19:44:41] | keith4: | or... would that be omdb? |
| [19:44:42] | sphery: | that's the way to do it. |
| [19:44:51] | GreyFoxx: | So, the other non free NA Listings source stopped providing listings as of April1st. Wonder if that caused some more SD signups :) |
| [19:44:54] | sphery: | I only IRC through an ssh tunnel to my home network. |
| [19:45:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: And NX... ;-) Best remote software IMHO... |
| [19:45:12] | famicom: | nx? |
| [19:45:24] | justinh: | freenx. like vnc but not lame at all |
| [19:45:27] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: that was the one for the commercial PVR that was a couple dollars less than SD originally? |
| [19:45:48] | iamlindoro__: | Wheeee, love the guy on the users list who says his TV "only receives 1080p via coax..." |
| [19:45:59] | GreyFoxx: | spher: Yeah, they sold their business, and pvr software/listings etc to another company which they wont publically name |
| [19:46:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | famicom: Yeah, and blazingly fast... ;-) look for 'freenx' for Linux, or the offical one, that's limited to 2 sessions – nomachine.org (or com?) |
| [19:46:21] | GreyFoxx: | and stopped providing listings as of April 1st, so I assume they refunded users |
| [19:46:22] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: wow. was it ctpvr or something like that... |
| [19:46:25] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [19:46:27] | GreyFoxx: | ctpvr.com |
| [19:46:36] | justinh: | freenx is almost like being there even over a home 'broadband' connection |
| [19:46:39] | sphery: | hope it brings many to SD. |
| [19:46:44] | TelnetManta: | can someone tell me if I have my input groups configured correctly? |
| [19:46:56] | TelnetManta: | I have two cards, each with to inputs |
| [19:47:24] | TelnetManta: | I have each of those four inputs and theyre second group configured all on separate groups. |
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| [19:47:35] | TelnetManta: | am I even close to having it setup right? |
| [19:47:35] | sphery: | justinh: is it a low-bandwidth X server? |
| [19:47:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Anduin: Need me to submit a ticket for imdb.pl? |
| [19:48:01] | justinh: | sphery: compressed, ssh forwarded & encrippled X yeah |
| [19:48:05] | keith4: | TelnetManta: why? |
| [19:48:06] | Anduin: | J-e-f-f-A|work: No, I'll get to it soon, thanks though. |
| [19:48:09] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: it's always a good thing--if for no other reason than documentation |
| [19:48:14] | sphery: | nvm |
| [19:48:18] | AlsMe: | hey.. I live in Canada.. I'm planning to setup a myth-TV server.. will I be able to get a schedule of the tv shows through decoded digital cable? |
| [19:48:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Anduin: Thanks. ;-) |
| [19:48:43] | justinh: | AlsMe: not for free, you won't :) |
| [19:48:45] | GreyFoxx: | als: Most of the cable company listings data is not sent in a form you can access :/ |
| [19:48:55] | TelnetManta: | keith4: I dont know why exactly. The main reason is I want to make sure that the two duplicated input across the two adapters can record independantly. |
| [19:48:56] | AlsMe: | how do I get that data? |
| [19:49:05] | AndyCap: | AlsMe: schedulesdirect.com ? |
| [19:49:06] | GreyFoxx: | Most of us get a SchedulesDirect account |
| [19:49:08] | justinh: | www.schedulesdirect.org |
| [19:49:10] | GreyFoxx: | $20 a year |
| [19:49:14] | AlsMe: | not bad... |
| [19:49:19] | sphery: | justinh: nice, but it still means I have to use VNC for fixing my non-*nix relatives' Windows PC's |
| [19:49:35] | AlsMe: | how many GB's do you guys have with your myth-tv server.. how many will I need |
| [19:49:45] | GreyFoxx: | Als: It's mainly run by opensource pvr types including people in the myth project |
| [19:49:47] | AlsMe: | how much would a SD show for 1 hour take of space |
| [19:49:48] | AndyCap: | AlsMe: how much tv do you want to keep lying around? |
| [19:49:56] | sphery: | AlsMe: 4TB |
| [19:49:57] | ** justinh points AlsMe at the FAQ ** | |
| [19:49:57] | GreyFoxx: | Alsa: I have a few TB |
| [19:50:01] | sphery: | but that's more than you need |
| [19:50:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: there is an NX server for winblows too.. not sure how much it is though... But since VNC is free, hey, I'd live with it for that purpose... |
| [19:50:07] | ** justinh has 500GB for recordings ** | |
| [19:50:15] | GreyFoxx: | Alsa: An average SDTV show is ~1.8–2.4G of space |
| [19:50:16] | AlsMe: | okay I'm planning on getting 3 TB |
| [19:50:23] | AlsMe: | how many hours can 3 TB do? |
| [19:50:26] | AlsMe: | of SD tv |
| [19:50:30] | GreyFoxx: | As standard mpeg2 |
| [19:50:33] | sphery: | AlsMe: SDTV is about 1 (very low quality) – 2 (good quality) GiB/hr |
| [19:50:41] | GreyFoxx: | if you strip commericials/compress it gets smaller |
| [19:50:57] | AndyCap: | Lossless mpeg2 cutting for the win! |
| [19:50:57] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work has 989GB of recordings currently... after a recent upgrade to 2.4TB space... ;-) ** | |
| [19:51:00] | AlsMe: | can I automatically skip the commercials? or do I have to edit it myself |
| [19:51:25] | GreyFoxx: | Als: You can have the software attempt to autodetect and if you want auto skip during playback |
| [19:51:58] | AlsMe: | okay thanks.. I may just get a TB driver they're so cheap these days .. 200 USD / CAN for 1 TB |
| [19:52:01] | sphery: | AlsMe: my guess is that with 3TB (=3000000000000 bytes), you'll get about 1000–1400 hours of SDTV. :) |
| [19:52:06] | AlsMe: | TB drive* not driver |
| [19:52:17] | AlsMe: | alright perfect thanks :) |
| [19:52:50] | sphery: | AlsMe: I recorded all my SDTV at 1.15GiB/hr (but it was /very/ low quality) using the quantity over quality approach. (Since NTSC quality is very bad regardless.) |
| [19:53:11] | sphery: | At that rate, I could have recorded 2429 hours with 3TB |
| [19:53:16] | justinh: | with 500GB I still don't have enough time to watch everything we record |
| [19:53:40] | ** AndyCap is a packrat and keeps a lot of shows and documentaries around. ** | |
| [19:53:47] | kormoc: | with 200GB I don't have enough time to watch everything :P |
| [19:54:02] | sphery: | That's the benefit of having way too much storage. By the time a program gets auto-expired, it's so old you forgot you even had it. |
| [19:54:12] | GreyFoxx: | spher: Heheh yeah |
| [19:54:22] | justinh: | reminds me I need to delete Heroes & cancel the recording schedule |
| [19:54:25] | GreyFoxx: | I have some stuff from 05 still on my box :) |
| [19:54:30] | justinh: | Zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| [19:54:36] | PatrickDK: | heh, sdtv at 1.1gph :) |
| [19:54:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: My space is summarized by mythweb as: 325 programs, using 893 GB (13 days 19 hrs 23 mins) out of 2.5 TB (1.4 TB free). |
| [19:54:45] | PatrickDK: | I'm doing sdtv at 8gph |
| [19:55:02] | kormoc: | PatrickDK, for awhile, I was .6 gph |
| [19:55:15] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, Did that last week myself, with a certain degree of satisfaction I might add |
| [19:55:18] | PatrickDK: | I played with 3gph and 5gph |
| [19:55:24] | PatrickDK: | but 8gph looks so much nicer :) |
| [19:55:27] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: Mostly SD, some HD. My SD is mostly medium-quality – 400x480, decent bitrate. Comes out at about 1.6GB/hr... Hauppauge PVR encoders. |
| [19:55:28] | PatrickDK: | and I have the space to spare |
| [19:56:06] | PatrickDK: | wait, I'm not thinking :) |
| [19:56:15] | PatrickDK: | that would be 3.5–4gph I'm doing |
| [19:57:05] | PatrickDK: | 3.8gph is what I'm doing currently |
| [19:57:18] | PatrickDK: | the whole 1.5–2gph thing didn't sit well with me |
| [19:57:23] | sphery: | I was going to say, 8GB/hr is way overkill (a lot of not-useful bits) |
| [19:57:31] | PatrickDK: | most of the stuff I record is 2hours long :) |
| [19:57:43] | PatrickDK: | so used to seeing 7.6g videos |
| [19:57:56] | kormoc: | I actually just switched to 1.1gph, and that's doing fairly well |
| [19:58:28] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PatrickDK: If I set my encoders to the same resolution/quality as what's coming out of my dish receiver for SD (544x480), it's about 3GB/hr. With it at 400x480 and a lower bitrate, it's indistinguishable on a 20" TV with S-Video out, and still pretty good on a CRT from a few feet away. |
| [19:58:47] | sphery: | kormoc: I agree--especially if you have a standard-def TV. Anything more is just pretending. :) |
| [19:59:03] | justinh: | with dvb-t we get what we're given |
| [19:59:07] | kormoc: | sphery, ooh, I have a 720p set, but I sit too far away to notice |
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| [19:59:13] | justinh: | generally about 2GB/hour |
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| [19:59:16] | PatrickDK: | J-e-f-f-A|work, I'm running a 24" lcd with dvi input at 1280x720, and recording the sdtv at 720x480 |
| [19:59:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PatrickDK: But I record movies and such at 720x480... just the day-to-day, don't-care-about-keeping stuff that I record in low quality... |
| [19:59:45] | PatrickDK: | I figure day to day stuff can be insane quality, cause it will quickly be deleted/replaced :) |
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| [20:00:01] | PatrickDK: | and for stuff I will keep, it will get transcoded, so |
| [20:00:25] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: you may actually get better quality with 720x480 even with a relatively-low bitrate (compared to your 9000kbps) than with lower resolutions if you're using the PVR-x50's. |
| [20:01:32] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: PVR-x50's aren't too good at lower-than-max-resolution. |
| [20:01:51] | justinh: | I found my pvr150 card looked like VHS at anything other than max res |
| [20:01:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: Really? ;-) Well, now that I've got nearly 3x the disk space, I will probably pump it up anyways... ;-) Yeah, I'm actually currently running a single PVR-500 with two Dish SD receivers feeding S-video and audio, and two HD tuners for ATSC from Boston. |
| [20:02:39] | sphery: | might want to do 720x480 at high bitrate, though, if you don't care about the space. |
| [20:03:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery, justinh: I'm actually pretty impressed... even at 400x480 it's really good. Granted, HD blows it out of the water, making it look totally blurry, but it looks almost as good as coming straight out of the box... |
| [20:03:48] | sphery: | = almost as good as a >50year old technology's (NTSC) best |
| [20:05:14] | justinh: | omfg. when you see a forum post entitled 'worst video in the history of humanity' it's like a car crash. you gotta look! but oh no not this one. NSFW? more like not fit for humans to see. prolapsed rectum indeed. bleugh |
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| [20:05:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: Nah, it's not that bad... ;-) Dish network has really good quality to begin with (except for the locals, which are a horrible bitrate... like almost youtube quality)... Regular channels are incredible... Nearly as good as a DVD. |
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| [20:06:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work just wishes the US had sat tuners like many of you other lucky souls in other countries... :-( ** | |
| [20:07:18] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, There's always R5000 |
| [20:07:28] | iamlindoro__: | If you have extra dough laying around |
| [20:07:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: yeah, big $$$ though... |
| [20:07:50] | iamlindoro__: | yup |
| [20:09:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: There's other ways too from what I understand, but not legal, and not reliable... Gee, is there a Tivo rip script yet? (to rip via network or usb?) |
| [20:09:58] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, Indeed, if I had it to do I'd probably get an R5000 mod... Dunno about tivo stuff though |
| [20:10:03] | beandog: | huh? |
| [20:10:10] | beandog: | you can download your tivo shows directly over the network |
| [20:10:16] | beandog: | they have a listening webserver on em |
| [20:11:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | or how about a dual-ported IDE hard disk? I could put it in my DishPlayer PVR, and pull them off the dish drive... (can do it now, but only if you record on the pvr, then remove the drive and rip the programs with a pc...) ;-) |
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| [20:11:39] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work ^^ That's what I was doing before Mythtv... Works great, but slow & tedious work, plus the sat system has to be off to do it... ** | |
| [20:11:57] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | beandog: Gee, can you schedule stuff with the webserver? |
| [20:11:59] | sebrock: | mmm it wansnt the module... If removed it still loades... any other way to figure out which module that has been loaded? |
| [20:12:10] | beandog: | J-e-f-f-A|work, no, but you can online |
| [20:12:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | beandog: And is this a HD tivo? |
| [20:12:48] | beandog: | any tivo |
| [20:13:50] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work thinks about the possibility of using MythTV to schedule recordings on the tivo, which it would then download to myth when they're done... (he can't be the first to think of this, could he?) ** | |
| [20:14:19] | PatrickDK: | I kindof did that with replaytv |
| [20:14:29] | beandog: | actually, tivo has an u nsecured telnet daemon running on it |
| [20:14:44] | beandog: | I imagine you could *probably* do some stuff with that. |
| [20:14:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ie^^^ to get HD into myth... As long as the tivo dumps the HD recording to you in HD via the web interface... |
| [20:14:49] | sebrock: | or how do I know if my patched module has been loaded? |
| [20:15:20] | PatrickDK: | J-e-f-f-A|work, hehe, that would really be good for hd content recording off cable providers |
| [20:15:28] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work needs to get working on that TIME MACHINE again... Either that or the TIME DECELLERATOR... ** | |
| [20:15:30] | PatrickDK: | would be usable for live tv, but well, atleast it's something |
| [20:15:32] | beandog: | J-e-f-f-A|work, well, unfortunately the exported files are wrapped in DRM, you'd need WMP to watch them. Or you can re-encode them with a tool they provide |
| [20:16:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | beandog: Ugh, there's always a hitch, eh? Does that tool work in Linux, or within Wine? |
| [20:16:32] | beandog: | J-e-f-f-A|work, havent tried, I really doubt it though. |
| [20:16:40] | beandog: | however |
| [20:16:47] | beandog: | you can set it up to automatically suck and transcode everything |
| [20:16:57] | beandog: | so if you had a spare windows box on the subnet, just put the shared videos on a smb share. |
| [20:18:14] | beandog: | probably more trouble than its worth. :) |
| [20:18:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | beandog: Yeah, just thinking out loud... It was a good idea at the time... ;-) |
| [20:20:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | beandog: I don't even own a tivo, never had. I've just had a couple of the original Dish Network "DishPlayer" WebTV/PVR's – for 10 years now... |
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| [20:21:28] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | beandog: They record the raw MPEG2 TS right to disk, and if you take the drive out of the receiver, you can rip the files off of it in their pure mpeg2 bliss... Amazing quality for the resolution – 544x480, and only 1GB/hr roughly — but I'd be hard-pressed to tell it from a DVD in most cases... |
| [20:24:50] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work had better get back to working... ;-) ** | |
| [20:25:50] | beandog: | J-e-f-f-A|work, wow, thats pretty nice |
| [20:26:16] | beandog: | I've got 4 tivos at home, heh |
| [20:26:19] | beandog: | one is an HD |
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| [20:29:20] | beandog: | The HD Tivo is very nice, I must admit. |
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| [20:31:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | beandog: I have a friend that had the old analog Tivos, and they were horrible quality... that, and he was feeding them with DirectTV, which was only 480x480 to begin with... put the two together, and it looked worse than comcast cable... |
| [20:31:58] | Dagmar: | Aha! I actually have a question other people might be able to answer. |
| [20:32:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: 42! |
| [20:32:30] | neztiti: | Grayfoxx:hi |
| [20:33:14] | Dagmar: | Nah, that's not it. |
| [20:33:25] | neztiti: | guys how i can scan full sat? |
| [20:33:54] | Dagmar: | I'm going to have to do a passthru using the sound card in the Myth box to actually get 5.1 sound from my PS3... It's got that odd fiber connector. |
| [20:34:00] | neztiti: | i can scan only one transponder |
| [20:34:25] | Dagmar: | I *think* the SBLive only has an electrical connector... I gotta check it to be sure, but I'm pretty sure. |
| [20:34:31] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: It's not a standard fiber connector? |
| [20:35:07] | iamlindoro__: | It's just TOSLink, right? |
| [20:35:09] | Dagmar: | Is there *any* kind of adapter that might work for that five sided connector to plug it into the decidedly electrical SPDIF connector or am I just lookin' at buying a different model of SB card? |
| [20:35:27] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: I actually don't know what it is, and I don't even know the proper words to search Google for this./ |
| [20:35:27] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: The card itself only has coaxial digital I think (via 1/8" jack if you've only got the card), but I have the 'Live Drive' on my winblows pc, that has both in a 5.25" bay... |
| [20:35:32] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, you can do TOSLink to S/PDIF for about $30 |
| [20:35:34] | Dagmar: | I'm at zero knowledged on this thing. |
| [20:36:25] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Excellent. Now I even have search terms |
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| [20:36:36] | Dagmar: | Jesus holy CHRIST people overcharge in stores for those HDMI cables. |
| [20:36:36] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.beachaudio.com/Siig/Ce-Ctc012-S2-p-98390.html |
| [20:36:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar, iamlindoro__ — And if you're handy with a soldering iron, you can probably build one for 1/2 of that (or less if you have most of the parts already...) |
| [20:37:05] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, is probably right, I'm sure it's simple electrically, but I can't claim to know how :) |
| [20:37:07] | PatrickDK: | or same if you need to replunish your stock afterwards :) |
| [20:37:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: Or, depeding on what model of SB Live you have, it may have a header already on the card, and you'd just need a backplane adapter. PS: don't try playing ps3 games through myth... ;-) |
| [20:37:51] | Dagmar: | Oh I know it won't play the games |
| [20:38:01] | Dagmar: | Clearly I've managed to somehow turn off the uPnP on the Myth box |
| [20:38:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: It will, but you'd have a 2-second lag ;-) |
| [20:38:10] | Dagmar: | I'm going to have to prod it some more tonight. |
| [20:38:22] | iamlindoro__: | I think the HD-PVR w/ it's component passthrough is going to make for neat HD game recordings |
| [20:38:25] | Dagmar: | PS3 won't see it at all yet. |
| [20:38:58] | Dagmar: | I'm a bit cheesed that the Xbox360 comes with a cable that has both component and compsitte video on it, but the PS3 just has composite (although they sell a component cable) |
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| [20:39:49] | Dagmar: | I'm aiming to run HDMI from the PS3 to the TV and use the toslink output (that's the five-sided fiber plug, right?) out to the myth box and have it do passthru to the speakers |
| [20:40:22] | Dagmar: | Prolly 'ave to redo the alsa hooks I've got, but that's not going to be as hard now that I've had to figure out how to do it at all |
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| [20:40:24] | PatrickDK: | toslink = crappy fiber used for audio |
| [20:40:24] | iamlindoro__: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TOSLINK.jpg |
| [20:40:50] | PatrickDK: | I don't think it's real fiber, but just plastic |
| [20:41:05] | Dagmar: | Yep. That's the beastie. I wasn't looking at it close enough to see that it's six sided |
| [20:41:24] | Dagmar: | Patrick: For most purposes, all fiber in use is plastic |
| [20:41:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: Well, 4-sided, with a 'key', right? |
| [20:41:35] | eyver: | Hey guys. I put a new router into my apartment and it changed my IP range (from 192.* to 10.*). My MythTV frontend/backend settings all left me. I changed my IP range back to 192.* but now it's still failing to grasp most settings. Specifically, I can't play back anything and I can't set any program to record. Does anyone have any idea what's going on? |
| [20:41:35] | Dagmar: | You really DON'T want glass fiber |
| [20:41:39] | PatrickDK: | heh? fiber = drawn glass |
| [20:41:45] | Dagmar: | That stuff is soooo insanely fragile |
| [20:42:05] | Dagmar: | I'm glad we moved away from it to plexiglas |
| [20:42:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | eyver: Did you change it back to 192.168.1.x, exactly the same as before? (same ips for backend and all frontends as before?) |
| [20:42:56] | Dagmar: | Eep. 3:42pm. I gotta bolt or I'm going to be stuck in traffic hell. Be back after I relocate |
| [20:43:35] | AlsMe: | eyver: go to the terminal |
| [20:43:43] | AlsMe: | and type "ifconfig" tell me what you get |
| [20:45:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: I think his keyboard broke... ;-) |
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| [20:45:50] | AlsMe: | maybe |
| [20:46:08] | AlsMe: | or maybe he doesn't know what the terminal is |
| [20:46:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | maybe he's searching ebay for a used VT100 terminal to plug into his serial port! |
| [20:47:22] | PatrickDK: | I have a nice 19" black and white one :) |
| [20:47:25] | AlsMe: | maybe he just loves porn and is searching ebay for cheap porn |
| [20:48:50] | AlsMe: | I've found a STB .. what hardware card should I get for MythTV.. I need digital cable hooked up? |
| [20:50:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: ^^ are you asking for real? ;-) |
| [20:50:43] | AlsMe: | yea, I actually am just setting up a fresh Ubuntu box for a Myth-tv server :) |
| [20:50:51] | AlsMe: | never used it before |
| [20:51:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: Ok – if you're going to be doing Standard-Definition, then go with a Hauppauge PVR card — either PVR-150 (single tuner) or PVR-500 (dual tuner) – and come out of your STB with s-video and analog L/R audio... |
| [20:52:36] | AlsMe: | alright and if I want Hi-def at the same time can I have 2 streams going into my PC? |
| [20:52:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: If your STB has an active Serial port, you can change channels with it that way. Otherwise you'll need an IR Blaster to transmit the IR codes from your myth box. |
| [20:52:43] | AlsMe: | or does HD run through the same cable |
| [20:53:28] | PatrickDK: | on the STB? the same link |
| [20:53:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: Well, the Hauppage PVR cards I mentioned are SD only. If you've got cable with HD service, they are legally obligated to provide a firewire output on the box. The catch is, however... |
| [20:53:39] | AlsMe: | out of the STB, yes! |
| [20:53:55] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, He's in Canada, no such requirement :) |
| [20:54:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: that the firewire data does not have to be non-encrypted... (oops, scratch that...) ;-) |
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| [20:54:47] | AlsMe: | ? |
| [20:54:50] | AlsMe: | I'm confused |
| [20:54:53] | iamlindoro__: | Not to mention the fact that most canadian cable co's, like US ones, won't allow you to bring your own Cable Box AFAIK |
| [20:54:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: I don't know if the canadian cable companies have HD in-the-clear on the cable or not – if they're available, you'd need a QAM capable HD tuner card... |
| [20:54:55] | AlsMe: | rofl |
| [20:55:28] | eyver: | AlsMe: sorry, I stepped away for a minute. Yes, the IP is changed back to normal. I can see program listings, I can see all my previously-recorded programs, I just can't schedule programs to be recorded and it doesn't see any of my old recording schedules. Just says I have nothing coming up. |
| [20:55:30] | AlsMe: | alright.. I'll stick with SD for mow |
| [20:55:52] | AlsMe: | I'll check the PVR-150 out |
| [20:55:58] | AlsMe: | I need a good quality card.. that's why I'm asking |
| [20:56:01] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: In the US the only HD that they're required to provide in the clear is the local over-the-air channels. Everything else can (and usually is encrypted)... |
| [20:56:27] | iamlindoro__: | And in .ca they're not even required to provide that from what I understand |
| [20:56:31] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: You won't go wrong with a Hauppauge PVR-150... Great card... Great support in Linux. |
| [20:56:36] | AlsMe: | alright.. eyver .. did you check you DNS settings? |
| [20:56:46] | AlsMe: | ping you gateway (router) |
| [20:56:50] | AlsMe: | your gateway* |
| [20:56:51] | PatrickDK: | alsme, some are saying the pvr-usb has slightly better quality than the pvr-150, and it's external, so no pci port required |
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| [20:57:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | eyver, AlsMe — Also eyver – did you change your hostname of your backend???? |
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| [20:58:13] | eyver: | J-e-f-f-A|work: that's likely the candidate there. Again, EVERYTHING works perfectly EXCEPT being able to schedule programs to be recorded, and seeing any of my previously-recorded programs. I use MythDora and previously it had default to set my hostname as "mythtv," but now that doesn't work anymore. That might be tied to it somewhere? |
| [20:58:20] | eyver: | Again, though, all the other features are working fine. |
| [20:58:22] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work has a Plextor ConvertX that he never setup within Mythtv... Intended to use it for standalone MPEG4... ** | |
| [20:58:40] | beandog: | I like my Plextor |
| [20:58:42] | beandog: | works great. |
| [20:58:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | eyver: Most of the database settings are tied to the hostname... |
| [20:58:50] | AlsMe: | Alright thanks.. because my mom has a shitty analog thing called the "wintv-hvr 950" and it sucks |
| [20:58:57] | beandog: | MPEG4 hw encoding is great. |
| [21:00:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | eyver: And mysql remote access is often setup with an ip range, so between the two you seem to have shot yourself in the foot... |
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| [21:00:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | eyver: If you change the hostname(s) and IPs back to exactly what they were, then you should be back to normal. |
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| [21:01:36] | ffish: | I've got a fedora8 system where alsa is acting up |
| [21:02:00] | AlsMe: | look.. first off, check the ip of other computers on the network |
| [21:02:01] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ffish <-- Fred Fish of Amiga fame? ;-) |
| [21:02:03] | eyver: | J-e-f-f-A|work: didn't end up working that way. As soon as my IP range had changed, it changed everything in my database. I changed it all back and the problems persisted. However, I just mucked around with a few settings and rebooted and everything is back to normal, except for the hostname "mythtv" being binded to that machine on my LAN. So thanks anyway for your help! |
| [21:02:13] | ffish: | when I do 'aplay -l' I can see the digital device, but not when I do 'aplay -L' |
| [21:02:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | eyver: Well, that's not entirely true... it shoudl have created new entries for the new IPs and host names... |
| [21:02:40] | AlsMe: | there's a file where you can change the hostname |
| [21:02:47] | AlsMe: | in the filesystem .. you know that right? |
| [21:02:55] | eyver: | J-e-f-f-A|work: correct, it should have, but it didn't. It baffled me. |
| [21:03:06] | AlsMe: | restart the service |
| [21:03:13] | ffish: | J-e-f-f-A|work, no, fresh fish from shawshank redemption. I was an IRC newbie around that time |
| [21:03:20] | AlsMe: | /etc/init.d/networking |
| [21:04:16] | ffish: | so, yeah, I can only somewhat see the digital output device. which makes it difficult to set up spidf passthrough |
| [21:04:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ffish: hehe... in the Amiga world, "Fred Fish" published CD copies of Amiga Freeware and Shareware at ultra-cheap prices... and/or free download from BBS's... ;-) Wow, that brings back great memories!!!! |
| [21:06:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... actually, now that I remember it more... it was FLOPPIES.... Only in the later years was it CD's... ;-) |
| [21:06:30] | AndyCap: | fish disks |
| [21:06:53] | AndyCap: | Oh. he passed away last year. |
| [21:07:32] | ffish: | the fun thing is that it used to work until I upgraded from 0.20 to 0.21 |
| [21:08:01] | ffish: | (but, no, I'm not Fred Fish :)) |
| [21:08:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AndyCap: :-( Those were the most awesome collections ever... Especially when the CDs started getting made... |
| [21:09:35] | iamlindoro__: | I remember those |
| [21:11:03] | iamlindoro__: | Hmm, wiki tells me he helped write gdb, interesting |
| [21:11:08] | iamlindoro__: | never knew that |
| [21:12:55] | AlsMe: | can the "Hauppauge PVR-150" do full NTSC resolution? |
| [21:13:00] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [21:13:07] | AlsMe: | and is it hardware based.. or will my CPU need to work |
| [21:13:13] | iamlindoro__: | Hardware mpeg-2 encoder |
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| [21:14:22] | AlsMe: | thanks |
| [21:15:16] | AlsMe: | Its just that I read in some forum that the "Hauppauge PVR-150 MCE" produced blurry picture |
| [21:15:23] | AlsMe: | is there a better card for me to go with? |
| [21:15:35] | iamlindoro__: | The PVR-150 is the best analog tuner available |
| [21:15:41] | AlsMe: | I don't want analog. |
| [21:15:44] | AlsMe: | I just want digital |
| [21:15:58] | iamlindoro__: | since you're planning on capturing the output of your box, the only choice you have is analog |
| [21:16:06] | AlsMe: | my STB is sending the signal to my mythtv server |
| [21:16:23] | iamlindoro__: | Your STB's only capturable outputs are *all* analog |
| [21:16:29] | AlsMe: | ohhh.. |
| [21:16:38] | AlsMe: | why use digital to begin with |
| [21:16:40] | AlsMe: | then* |
| [21:16:43] | iamlindoro__: | unless you have an active firewire port |
| [21:16:52] | iamlindoro__: | AlsMe, you have a *lot* of reading to do |
| [21:17:05] | iamlindoro__: | I suggest you look at the myth wiki articles about "configuring HDTV" |
| [21:17:08] | AlsMe: | alright.. direct me towards one please |
| [21:17:21] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV |
| [21:17:23] | AlsMe: | I don't need HDTV.. just need DTV |
| [21:17:30] | iamlindoro__: | Just read it, it's all relevant |
| [21:18:07] | iamlindoro__: | In the section "Understanding HDTV" in that article, HDTV and Digital SDTV are the same technologywise |
| [21:18:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: It may come over the cable line to your STB in digital form, but it's coming out of your box in Analog, in the form of analog NTSC video. |
| [21:19:09] | AlsMe: | ahh.. and please tell me .. do I even need this STB ? Why not just use the analog signal coming in from my TV provider |
| [21:19:29] | AlsMe: | then I can skip the entire STB thing |
| [21:19:42] | AlsMe: | picture difference that big? |
| [21:19:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: If you want, I can do some small captures for you on my PVR-500 and put them on my web page for you to 'sample'. |
| [21:19:47] | iamlindoro__: | You need your STB if you intend to capture all your channels |
| [21:20:06] | iamlindoro__: | If you do digital tuning straight out the wall, you will only get what they leave unencrypted, which is generally very very little |
| [21:20:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: You probably need the STB – most of the channels are probably not avalable in analog form, which is all a PVR card can tune... |
| [21:20:24] | iamlindoro__: | If you capture out of the box, you can get all of your channels, but only via analog and only SD |
| [21:21:33] | AlsMe: | k |
| [21:21:43] | iamlindoro__: | again, the one exception is that some people can capture via firewire out of the box if their cable company activates the port remotely, but this is highly uncommon |
| [21:22:04] | fryfrog: | i wouldn't say firewire is *highly* uncommon |
| [21:22:07] | AlsMe: | now what is the difference then between a STB and a PVR |
| [21:22:12] | AlsMe: | which one has the firewire |
| [21:22:12] | fryfrog: | i've had it enabled at 2 out of 2 places |
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| [21:22:15] | AlsMe: | and which one do I need |
| [21:22:19] | iamlindoro__: | fryfrog, To get all channels? Yes, it's highly uncommon. |
| [21:22:27] | fryfrog: | STB is "Set Top Box" and PVR is a pci card |
| [21:22:33] | fryfrog: | oh, gotcha, all channels |
| [21:23:11] | AlsMe: | no.. I heard people telling me that they have a PVR box |
| [21:23:19] | iamlindoro__: | A STB *may* have a firewire port, which would be the connection type between the box and your computer... but having a port doesn't mean it's going to work... especially as you live somewhere where they don't have to turn it on |
| [21:23:31] | iamlindoro__: | PVR – Personal video recorder |
| [21:23:34] | iamlindoro__: | it's a blanket term |
| [21:23:35] | fryfrog: | PVR == personal... yeah, that |
| [21:23:57] | fryfrog: | it just also happens that the besterish analog cards made by haupage are called "PVR150" or PVR500" or .. |
| [21:25:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: and having a PVR from your cable company won't help much with Myth... |
| [21:25:05] | iamlindoro__: | Sometimes cable companies will refer to their Set top boxes with recording capability as "PVRs" or "DVRs" |
| [21:25:17] | AlsMe: | because I'm planning to watch SD Digital TV on my 1680* 1050 resolution LCD 22" monitor.. will SD look good on this? |
| [21:25:22] | AlsMe: | or do I need the HD basically |
| [21:25:31] | fryfrog: | to make things even more confusing, you can get a "DVR" from your cable company that has firewire output! |
| [21:25:51] | fryfrog: | i have a HD-DVR right now that I just use its firewire output and not its DVR capability |
| [21:25:51] | AlsMe: | arggg?? so confusing |
| [21:25:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: From across the room it will look 'ok', about the same as a standard DVD. |
| [21:26:26] | iamlindoro__: | AlsMe, the point we are trying to make is that you can *definitely* capture all your channels in analog SD... but you may be completely unable to capture your HD programming at all, or that it might be very limited due to excryption by the cable companies |
| [21:26:35] | fryfrog: | the problem (for many people) is that doing digital cable (hd or sd) requires *renting* an STB from the cable co (basically a monthly fee for a capture card) |
| [21:26:58] | AlsMe: | I'll just buy the STB |
| [21:27:04] | AlsMe: | I'm sure they give you an option |
| [21:27:13] | fryfrog: | i'm pretty sure they don't |
| [21:27:20] | fryfrog: | well, at least in comcasts case |
| [21:27:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: Maybe in canada, but not here in the US... ;-) |
| [21:27:29] | AlsMe: | I'm with Cogeco |
| [21:27:33] | AlsMe: | Canada ;( |
| [21:27:38] | fryfrog: | never hurts to ask! |
| [21:27:44] | iamlindoro__: | Even if you buy it, it will still obey the policies set by their network... ie if they flip the switch that says "Firewire port off", you will *never* be able to capture HD from that firewire port |
| [21:27:49] | AlsMe: | alright thanks guys.. I'll think about this over the weekend |
| [21:27:54] | fryfrog: | here in the US, we have an FCC reg that "requires" an active firewire port... in CA, you may not |
| [21:27:58] | iamlindoro__: | (or SD, for that matter) |
| [21:28:01] | AlsMe: | I've got a flight in 1.5 hours |
| [21:28:04] | AlsMe: | so I g2g |
| [21:28:21] | AlsMe: | thanks everyone! |
| [21:28:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Gee, if you were in the US, you'd have to be at the airport already... |
| [21:28:26] | AlsMe: | you guys were lots of help |
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| [21:28:54] | fryfrog: | heheh |
| [21:29:31] | AlsMe: | I think the cutoff for bording is the same in the US |
| [21:29:49] | AlsMe: | 30 mins before departure if your flying domestic |
| [21:29:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlsMe: Yeah, but getting through security takes a while now, since the attacks on 9/11... |
| [21:30:13] | fryfrog: | attacks on 9/11? what attacks? |
| [21:30:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | fryfrog: Umm... 9/11/2001? Have you been in a coma for the last 7 years? |
| [21:31:26] | fryfrog: | to early for 9/11 sarcasm i guess :/ |
| [21:31:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | fryfrog: Wow, I thought you were serious there... (oops!) ;-) |
| [21:32:06] | AlsMe: | 9/11 was a long time ago |
| [21:32:14] | AlsMe: | I'm sure things are more layed back now |
| [21:32:34] | fryfrog: | no wai |
| [21:32:36] | AlsMe: | they were bad for the first 5 years after the attacks.. |
| [21:32:36] | fryfrog: | not in the US |
| [21:32:39] | fryfrog: | it is *worse* |
| [21:32:40] | AlsMe: | ohh |
| [21:32:47] | fryfrog: | with all the "no liquieds" and shit |
| [21:32:53] | fryfrog: | but spelled right |
| [21:33:15] | AlsMe: | liquids |
| [21:34:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | You have to take off your shoes, and they go through the x-ray machine... |
| [21:34:30] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, the shoe bomber |
| [21:34:33] | fryfrog: | forgot about him |
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| [21:56:12] | resolution: | hi all, I just upgraded to 0.21. Everything works fine except the videos are too large for my tv does anyway know why with version 0.21 video doesn't fit in my 720x480 tv ? |
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| [22:00:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | resolution: Perhaps the overscan settings are different? check the Scaling settings in the TV playback screens... |
| [22:00:45] | resolution: | it's like if screen 1 (720x480) is using screen 0 (1440x900) resolution |
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| [22:01:15] | resolution: | I will check the scaling settings... |
| [22:02:49] | ffish: | so did 0.21 completely screw up SPDIF passthrough? |
| [22:02:59] | justinh: | not here |
| [22:04:11] | ffish: | what distro are you using? |
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| [22:05:07] | Lynet: | ffish: Did you update your distro, or mythtv only? |
| [22:05:17] | ffish: | just myth |
| [22:05:28] | ffish: | but now it appears that sound is broken distro-wide |
| [22:05:34] | ffish: | (impressive) |
| [22:06:00] | ffish: | the fun part is that 'aplay -l' shows the digital output |
| [22:06:04] | ffish: | but 'aplay -L' does not |
| [22:06:26] | resolution: | that is strange, it seems that although I specify myth to use screen 1, it will play live tv at the resolution of screen 0 |
| [22:06:55] | GreyFoxx: | res: You can force it to use a certain size if it's detecting incorrectly |
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| [22:07:05] | GreyFoxx: | either -geometry XxY |
| [22:07:09] | GreyFoxx: | or in the setup menus |
| [22:07:10] | resolution: | I tried scaling -50% for X and Y without success |
| [22:07:29] | resolution: | to force it is the scaling options ? |
| [22:08:27] | resolution: | I will try : use GUI size for tv playback |
| [22:11:00] | resolution: | it works, but now I see the gnome taskbars... |
| [22:11:11] | resolution: | how can I remove them from screen 1 ? |
| [22:11:27] | resolution: | I mean, the taskbars are displayed even when the tv is playing |
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| [22:22:47] | resolution: | well, I will keeping tweaking, thanks everyone ! |
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| [23:12:32] | marl: | is there a way to setup mythfrontend to always switch on advert skip and set ratio to 16:9 for all recording playbacks? |
| [23:13:18] | iamlindoro: | yup, tv playback settings |
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| [23:18:41] | marl: | thanks, hadnt noticed those in there before :) |
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