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| [00:00:07] | otwin: | J-e-f-f-A: i need to configure postfix, dns, dhcp, apache, mysql and probably more. i want to the switch when it's really ready. |
| [00:00:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | otwin: You could do what I do... Buy new hardware (minus tuners), setup the new hardware, then migrate everything over... |
| [00:00:35] | otwin: | Dagmar: i don't use packages, so that would not be a problem |
| [00:01:10] | bobgill: | how can I take a recording and "export" it, or give it a filename and transfer it out to another directory? |
| [00:01:30] | Dagmar: | THen how are you installing anything? |
| [00:01:35] | Dagmar: | Surely you're not building Ubuntu from source? |
| [00:01:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | bobgill: take a look at mythrename.pl |
| [00:02:01] | otwin: | J-e-f-f-A: yes, the obvious solution would be to remove the disk and do the install on another machine. but i'm just wondering if there is no other way. |
| [00:02:13] | Dagmar: | If you already have a working installation of the new stuff on a drive, you CAN just clone the filesystem (carefully) with cp -R, or you can use tar (complex, but might work better for some things), because then all you've got to do is make sure grub can boot the new kernel |
| [00:02:27] | otwin: | Dagmar: i'm building myth from source |
| [00:02:33] | Dagmar: | Oh... Package it. |
| [00:02:46] | Dagmar: | You don't have to use deb format or anything fancy like that |
| [00:03:15] | Dagmar: | Do something like mkdir /tmp/foo && make DESTDIR=/tmp/foo install when you do the install phase, and then cd to /tmp/foo, make a tarball from that, and then you can untar it from / on the machine you want it on |
| [00:04:15] | Dagmar: | Tar can handle eveyrthing but symlinks, and it handles them fine under most *normal* circumstances |
| [00:04:47] | otwin: | Dagmar: i don't follow, the real problem is not myth, the problem is on how to get the OS on the disk (hende the OT) – may bootstrap would be an option |
| [00:05:30] | bobgill: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks :] |
| [00:05:39] | Dagmar: | If you're just trying to get the OS on the new disk, just mount the disk and then cp the filesystem (carefully, so you don't copy your MOUNT POINT to itself iteratively) |
| [00:05:56] | Dagmar: | I haven't used a Slackware CD to install Slackware in a few years now. |
| [00:05:57] | Anduin: | otwin: I occasionally use qemu and a raw image file to build something to netboot, it isn't too painful |
| [00:06:10] | Dagmar: | I pretty much *always* put the disk on a machine that already has it installed, mount it, and then put the files in place |
| [00:07:20] | otwin: | Dagmar: well i have no install install of the new OS, i only have the .iso – bootstrap would give me a new install, so thats one option |
| [00:07:45] | ** otwin looks up qemu ** | |
| [00:07:54] | Dagmar: | Well, unless you know how to manually install the debs from the mounted ISO, you might as well just burn the bloody thing |
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| [00:08:36] | Dagmar: | You're probably going to want to keep a copy of the ISO burned around as a reference anyway, so if you're going to _eventually_ burn it, now is as good a time as any |
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| [00:10:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anyone using a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250 ? (PCIe HD tuner...) |
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| [00:11:25] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: I'm not, but I know that it recently became supported |
| [00:12:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I thought it might – I had heard something here that many PCIe tuners were now supported... For $49.99 I thought I'd give it a shot to free up a standard PCI slot... |
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| [00:13:13] | iamlindoro: | Think it takes the cx18 driver, should just be in the mainline linuxtv hg stuff AFAIK |
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| [00:13:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: according to linuxtv.org, it 'should make it's way into the 2.6.24 kernel', which is what I'm running on FC8 now... ;-) |
| [00:14:15] | otwin: | Dagmar: there seems to be some confusion – i have the iso burned anyway – i just would like to avoid the downtime it takes to install ubuntu, configuring all the other stuff besides mythtv – it's more about doing it the *cool* way ;) – but thanks, i just wondered if i am not missing sth obvious. |
| [00:14:42] | kormoc: | otwin, onto a different drive or the same drive? |
| [00:14:49] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Not sure if it made it or not TBH... mkrufky or stoth would know though |
| [00:14:56] | otwin: | kormoc: different, clean drive |
| [00:15:21] | otwin: | i can handle grub, that's not the problem |
| [00:15:23] | kormoc: | otwin, you could use a vm like vmware player to do it |
| [00:15:41] | kormoc: | otwin, that would allow it to do a real install all fine without any extra work |
| [00:16:30] | otwin: | kormoc: interesting, so you can move a vm to a real disk? does only vmware do that or maybe virtualbox? |
| [00:17:32] | otwin: | oh i see – i just boot the iso in a vm and install it to a physical disk? |
| [00:17:35] | kormoc: | otwin, you can point most vm at a standard block device somehow, it's not always easy but typically doable. I know Xen/kvm both can be done that |
| [00:17:38] | kormoc: | otwin, aye |
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| [00:18:27] | otwin: | kormoc: thanks i'll give it a try |
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| [00:32:52] | Dagmar: | I get the feeling it might be time to add a little hook in my client to do a lag-check like in the 90's |
| [00:33:42] | Dagmar: | I just had to repeat about 30 things to people in privmsg 'cuz I had no idea the server I was on was stoned |
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| [00:36:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, mythweb just gets a 'Database Error' on my new system... nothing in the httpd logs – and it's configured right... |
| [00:36:48] | Dagmar: | Weird. It _just_ says "Database error"? |
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| [00:37:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah... humm... backend's working right... |
| [00:37:23] | Dagmar: | I'd go crash my mysql to test and see if it's what I *think* it is, but it might eb that mythweb doesn't have the right credentials to talk to the databse |
| [00:37:41] | TelnetManta: | anyone familier with a blue screen only when trying to watch tv? |
| [00:37:47] | Dagmar: | or rather, I'd go crash it except it's recording something right now, so it's not a good time to be stabbing at it with the theoretical fork. |
| [00:37:52] | TelnetManta: | trying to figuree out what could be causing it. |
| [00:38:03] | Dagmar: | TelnetMania: You're not getting any signal. |
| [00:38:16] | Dagmar: | YOu have a framegrabber card, yes? |
| [00:38:17] | TelnetManta: | but I have video when I go view the recordings. |
| [00:38:25] | Dagmar: | AH, okay, that sounds like Xv broke somehow |
| [00:38:26] | TelnetManta: | yes, bt878 |
| [00:38:38] | Dagmar: | OKay that's a monstrously huge WTF |
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| [00:38:55] | Dagmar: | Playing live TV under myth and playing _recorded programming_ under Myth operate pretty much identically |
| [00:39:13] | Dagmar: | The two ends (frontend, backend) operate mostly asynchronously |
| [00:39:15] | TelnetManta: | I can see the preview I should say |
| [00:39:29] | Dagmar: | The main difference is when you're watching "live" TV, it's just playing a recording that started a few seconds ago |
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| [00:39:51] | Dagmar: | Ah, okay. That's sounding a lot like an X issue of some kind but I can't be 100% certain |
| [00:40:05] | kormoc: | preview isn't xv, playback is |
| [00:40:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Yeah, I'll look over all the settings again... |
| [00:40:36] | Dagmar: | kormoc: That's what I was thinking but my confidence level on that was pretty low |
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| [00:40:59] | Dagmar: | I've been hesitant to really dig into that from the number of times the preview window used to shut down my whole bloody machine. heh |
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| [00:41:10] | TelnetManta: | okay, confirmed. I can see the preview but when I try to display it, it too is blue screen. |
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| [00:41:13] | Dagmar: | If you're right there's an Xv issue |
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| [00:41:26] | Dagmar: | TelnetManta: what video card are you using for output? |
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| [00:42:01] | TelnetManta: | actually Im looking over vnc atm |
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| [00:42:33] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [00:42:42] | Dagmar: | You're not trying to _watch TV over VNC_ are you? |
| [00:42:57] | Dagmar: | ...cuz, that's umm... just gonna fail |
| [00:43:19] | TelnetManta: | lol, well I can with my other system, for testing only of course. This is a new backend that Im trying to setup and its headless. |
| [00:43:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | it works over NX... ;-) (Well, tries to work — a frame or two a second...) ;-) |
| [00:43:44] | PatrickDK: | why do it over vnc? |
| [00:43:55] | Dagmar: | Well, Xv/XvMC just doesn't work over a network as far as I know |
| [00:44:01] | PatrickDK: | when you can just run mythfronend on the other computer and just set DISPLAY= your local computer :) |
| [00:44:48] | TelnetManta: | I need to upgrade my frontend before it can access this backend, plan to do that tomorrow. |
| [00:44:56] | Dagmar: | VNC will be copying the stuff from the screen using grabs and punting it over the network to the new display, but grabs aren't going to catch the Xv window contents, so they'll wind up "empty" on the remote display |
| [00:45:23] | kormoc: | TelnetManta, the fact that your previews work should tell you that the backend is working, no? |
| [00:45:43] | Dagmar: | If it's getting recordings and they have stuff in them, then the backend is going to be fine. |
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| [00:46:16] | Dagmar: | Thank god the backend doesn't have nearly so many nearly idiosyncratic things that can go wrong as with the frontend. |
| [00:46:21] | TelnetManta: | kormoc: I guess so :) |
| [00:48:05] | digital_lunatic: | This may be a stupid question and I might've missed seeing it. But, I want to know how to make MythTV play video files that are on CD? I have divx files burned to CD and I want to be able to insert the CD and have myth play them. |
| [00:53:29] | justinh: | make a symlink to the (automounted) cd location in your mythvideo path |
| [00:55:18] | digital_lunatic: | justinh: so I would have 2 paths in the mythvideo setup, the normal one that points to the HDD folder and then another path to the cd? I feel ignorant now, I didn't think about that! |
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| [00:55:43] | justinh: | separate them with semicolons ; |
| [00:55:54] | justinh: | /path/to/videos; /cd/path |
| [00:56:08] | justinh: | course then you have to set mythvideo to browse files but hey |
| [00:56:43] | digital_lunatic: | justinh: OK, will do! Thanks a ton! As long as it works, I'm ok with having it set to browse files. |
| [00:57:40] | justinh: | not that I've ever tried it- just something I picked up from here or the wiki |
| [00:58:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: ugh... httpd.conf and mythweb.conf are right... |
| [00:59:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: I'm banging my head against the wall – Mythweb on my new server is just displaying "Database Error"... Cant find anything in the http logs, and the settings look ok, what am I doing wrong? |
| [01:00:44] | xris: | weird. mythweb should give you a more substantial error message than that |
| [01:02:04] | Dagmar: | Wow. metaplace had another stress test today that lasted all of two minutes apparently. |
| [01:02:07] | Dagmar: | I guess it didn't go well. |
| [01:02:58] | PatrickDK: | metaplace? |
| [01:03:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Yeah... humm... just to make sure my brain is on straight... the config files are /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf and /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf , right? |
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| [01:03:34] | xris: | that'd be right for fedora. not sure about others |
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| [01:03:47] | xris: | and httpd.conf calls include ../conf.d/*.conf |
| [01:03:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Yeah, I'm running FC8, 64-bit. |
| [01:04:20] | xris: | and you edited mythweb.conf, right? |
| [01:04:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: yeah – actually copied the one from my old server... |
| [01:05:10] | xris: | weird |
| [01:05:32] | kormoc: | db allowing new ip address in? |
| [01:05:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: could I be missing a php or mysql module needed by mythweb? (strange I don't see anything int he log) |
| [01:05:44] | xris: | php-mysql is needed |
| [01:05:47] | user__error: | can someone explain to me exactly what the 'analog' over the air cable tv signal is that is being cancelled? and how is it different from my cable tv I have now that just plugs into the back of my tv & mythtv tuner card? |
| [01:06:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Yeah, I can get into mysql via "mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg"... |
| [01:06:09] | xris: | user__error: "over the air cable tv signal" is mutually exclusive |
| [01:06:09] | Dagmar: | user_error: Actually, your _cable_ TV shouldn't be affected by the FCC mandate |
| [01:06:26] | Dagmar: | It's only the broadcast stuff that requires you to have an aerial that will be affected. |
| [01:06:34] | xris: | the analog over the air signal going away is called "ntsc broadcast" |
| [01:06:52] | Dagmar: | Of course, this hasn't really stopped Comcast from touting the _FCC_ as the reason they're migrating some of their formerly analog channels to _digital only_ here. |
| [01:06:58] | xris: | and unless you watch broadcast analog tv with an antenna, it doesn't affect you |
| [01:07:03] | user__error: | so what is the signal called of my catv that just goes into my mythtv tuner cad? |
| [01:07:13] | Dagmar: | I almost want to fax a copy of this bulletin I got from Comcast over to the field office in ATL actually |
| [01:07:14] | xris: | user__error: probably ntsc cable |
| [01:07:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Well, php-mysql is installed... Package php-mysql – 5.2.4–3.x86_64 is already installed. .... ugh, I'm confused... |
| [01:07:29] | user__error: | and the NTSC is what is 'going digital' ? |
| [01:07:31] | xris: | it's "cable" (hence the wire) as opposed to "broadcast" (requiring an antenna) |
| [01:07:38] | user__error: | oh gotcha |
| [01:07:41] | xris: | user__error: no, broadcast is going digital |
| [01:07:42] | Dagmar: | user_error: It's analog broadcasting, but its _not_ OTA (over the air) because it's always inside a piece of coax. |
| [01:08:16] | xris: | ntsc is the spec.. think of it like the resolution. |
| [01:08:18] | Dagmar: | All the stuff that goes through the airwaves in the US is going digital |
| [01:08:41] | Dagmar: | TV signals are going rather soon, radio will probably be another 5 years |
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| [01:09:25] | Dagmar: | Someone in the FCC is actually pushing for XM/Sirius to open up some of their spectrum for _free_ broadcasting for people who are no longer using the for-pay service |
| [01:09:39] | Dagmar: | ...which probably is a win-win. |
| [01:10:06] | Dagmar: | ...provided it doesn't turn into "a solid stream of commercials interspersed with a few tunes and some news blurbs" |
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| [01:10:44] | kormoc: | dagar, the current push is to allow the xm/sirius combo to own both chunks so the current radios work no matter which service you signed up for |
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| [01:11:17] | Dagmar: | There's another push separate from that |
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| [01:11:38] | Dagmar: | They're trying to tie the free content in as a proviso of allowing XM and Sirius to merga |
| [01:11:38] | Dagmar: | s/merga/merge/; |
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| [01:12:18] | kormoc: | Dagmar, it won't happen likely. Too many folks with integrated radios that aren't upgradable (like me) |
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| [01:13:02] | user__error: | eh |
| [01:13:05] | user__error: | what is going on? |
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| [01:13:27] | kormoc: | user__error, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit |
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| [01:14:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: humm... where else would I see errors? Nothing in the /var/log/httpd logs... nothing in /var/log/messages... ugh... |
| [01:14:45] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, it should output something to the browser... |
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| [01:15:25] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A: stop apache, clear the logs, start apache |
| [01:15:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Yeah, all it says is "Database Error"... |
| [01:15:36] | xris: | httpd logs that is. apache doesn't log to messages |
| [01:15:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Ok, I'll give that a shot... |
| [01:15:52] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, I was semi-sure that it tossed the mysql error there too |
| [01:16:03] | user__error: | kormoc, thanks! |
| [01:16:21] | user__error: | Jeff, what is your issue |
| [01:16:56] | user__error: | kormoc – ah, thanks for that article...i understand now. |
| [01:18:04] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A: screenshot of the error screen? |
| [01:18:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Yep, give me a minute... ;-) |
| [01:19:42] | xris: | afk for a bit. kormoc should be able to help you with the rest, though |
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| [01:20:09] | kormoc: | Whee! |
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| [01:21:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: ok: http://jartz.dyndns.org:8008/files/DatabaseError.png |
| [01:22:12] | user__error: | jeff-a – that link doesn't work for me... |
| [01:22:30] | user__error: | was this a new server you built? |
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| [01:23:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | user__error: It's my new backend, yes on FC8, running 0.21-fixes |
| [01:23:11] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, your dns is pointing at a ip that doesn't reply |
| [01:23:32] | user__error: | ok |
| [01:23:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc, user__error Oops, I thought I just checked that before pasting it... let me check again. |
| [01:23:55] | user__error: | glad i am not screwing up on my ability to click on links. =) |
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| [01:25:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | user__error: kormoc http://jartz.homeip.net:8008/files/DatabaseError.png |
| [01:25:32] | user__error: | oh, snap, that's useful. |
| [01:26:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I've seen the error before (in previous backend builds), that the setup wasn't correct, and to check the logins, etc, but not this one... |
| [01:26:02] | user__error: | i just rebuilt my backend, using mythbuntu, and found that i would get an error on mythweb due to bad symlinks. |
| [01:26:20] | user__error: | but again it had *at least* some detail under that error! |
| [01:26:29] | ** J-e-f-f-A checks for bad symlinks in his mythweb directories... ** | |
| [01:26:46] | user__error: | hang on, i documented my finds... |
| [01:26:49] | user__error: | let me find them |
| [01:27:01] | Dagmar: | The only time I've ever seen it do that was when I was stupid and didn't have the backend or the database started and tried to access MythWeb, so it's gotta be a pretty fatal condition |
| [01:27:16] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, it should have outputted a little more... |
| [01:27:18] | ** kormoc peers at source ** | |
| [01:27:30] | user__error: | http://www.etarq.com/wiki/index.php?title=MythTV#MythWeb |
| [01:27:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Well, the backend's running, and recording, etc... so... I'm stumped... :-( |
| [01:27:56] | kiu112: | hi, i have a dvb-c card using mythtv from mythbuntu 8.04. i did a w_scan and imported the file to mythtv. When i go to "watch tv" in the frontend, the backend reports error like "dvbchan frequency out of range", "unsupported fec_inner parameter", "Symbol Rate out of range", ... – any hints what i did wrong ? |
| [01:27:57] | Dagmar: | I'm stumped, too. The only thing I can suggest is that *possibly* you have a second install of MythWeb in there and you've configured the wrong one |
| [01:29:03] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, the code outputs a db error right there. Can you toss up the html source into a pastebin? |
| [01:29:17] | kormoc: | :q |
| [01:29:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | for this page, right? |
| [01:29:23] | kormoc: | aye |
| [01:29:32] | kormoc: | I want to verify it's an empty string |
| [01:30:24] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, you getting error messages emailed to you? |
| [01:30:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Here it is: http://jartz.homeip.net:8008/files/DatabaseError.txt |
| [01:30:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Hum... I didn't check mails... (duh!) |
| [01:31:14] | kormoc: | It attempts to send it out, but it's an empty string... |
| [01:31:20] | user__error: | heh, yeah the web code of the mythweb error sadly wont give anything useful. |
| [01:31:40] | user__error: | what is the name of the database you have listed in the mythtv setup?? |
| [01:31:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | standard — mythconverg |
| [01:31:52] | kormoc: | user__error, sure it does, if it was missing the </p> the php engine died, quite a different bug |
| [01:32:28] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, okay, line 21 in modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/site_down.php |
| [01:33:05] | user__error: | kormoc, i see your point. |
| [01:33:11] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, change that to <?php global $db; var_dump($db); ?> |
| [01:33:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Ok, one sec... ;) |
| [01:33:42] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, that should output all the properitys of the class, hopefully a tad more info, but do double check for passwords and the like before pasteing it in, although we do try to clear it |
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| [01:36:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Ok, just wating for it to timeout and give the error.. ;-) |
| [01:38:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Hummll "Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mythbackend' ... 2003 humm... |
| [01:38:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: My hostname is 'mythbackend'... humm... |
| [01:39:09] | kormoc: | Whoops |
| [01:39:15] | ** kormoc wags his finger at xris ** | |
| [01:39:24] | kormoc: | $db->error != $db->err |
| [01:40:13] | user__error: | would that mean that mysql may not be running? or bad port? or bad password? |
| [01:40:51] | kormoc: | not running, rejecting connections, bad port, bad hostname, bad dns, etc |
| [01:41:01] | kormoc: | bad password/user is a different error after the connection phase |
| [01:41:09] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, make sure mythbackend resolves correctly? |
| [01:42:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Bingo... friggin' "mythbackend" somehow resolves to my internet IP... wtf? |
| [01:43:08] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, snazzy, I'll fix the lack of error message upstream here in a few. |
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| [01:43:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: SOB.... Not sure how that got in my hosts file... works perfect now with it deleted... |
| [01:43:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc, xris, .... Thanks... ;-) |
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| [01:44:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's always something simple, eh? I should know that, being highly technical... don't know how I didn't bother to look at the hosts file... |
| [01:44:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | user__error: PS: It was a bogus entry in my hosts file... |
| [01:45:15] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [01:45:34] | Dagmar: | Not to be mean, but that's one of the reasons people shoudln't use hosts files for much of anything. |
| [01:45:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: thanks for helping too... ;-) |
| [01:45:51] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro_: ping |
| [01:45:56] | Dagmar: | BIND may be annoying but at least you know that everything is "on the same page" with respect to hostname to IP mapping |
| [01:45:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: I don't remember putting anything in there, probably why I didn't thing to even look there... |
| [01:46:02] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [01:46:09] | TelnetManta: | anyone else tried mythbuntu yet? |
| [01:46:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | er... 'think' even... ;-) |
| [01:46:20] | kormoc: | some distros seem to try to auto populate the hosts file these days |
| [01:46:23] | Dagmar: | UNderstandable |
| [01:46:41] | user__error: | hosts file on your mythbox??? |
| [01:46:48] | user__error: | i never use hosts files. |
| [01:46:49] | user__error: | ha |
| [01:46:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | TelnetManta: I have it on an Asus Pundit P2 – not happy w/it at the moment as I can't get the OpenChrome driver to work... |
| [01:47:12] | TelnetManta: | trying to figure something out with the packages |
| [01:47:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | user__error: Me neither – not sure how it got in there... |
| [01:47:26] | TelnetManta: | are they just using a recent myth fixes? |
| [01:47:31] | kormoc: | I use hosts files for my sec.pl ban scripts cause I'm too lazy to port it to iptables/shorewall |
| [01:47:31] | user__error: | TelnetManta, the new mythbuntu or 7.10 ? |
| [01:47:32] | wagner: | ive never seen a distro populate a host file |
| [01:47:35] | TelnetManta: | new |
| [01:47:37] | TelnetManta: | 8.04 |
| [01:47:42] | user__error: | not yet. |
| [01:47:46] | wagner: | but then ive only recently used gentoo and suse |
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| [01:48:01] | user__error: | i'm still using 7.10 with a dist-upgrade to the latest mythtv release. |
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| [01:49:43] | TelnetManta: | nm, its 16838 |
| [01:50:38] | wagner: | new hard drive day!... seems its time to shut down |
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| [01:54:22] | cal_: | didnt .21 make getting icons automatic? i clicked 'download icons' in the channel editor, still no icons on the channel guide. |
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| [01:57:46] | kiu112: | hi, i have a dvb-c card using mythtv from mythbuntu 8.04. i did a w_scan (also tried scan) and imported the file to mythtv. When i go to "watch tv" in the frontend, the backend reports error like "dvbchan frequency out of range", "unsupported fec_inner parameter", "Symbol Rate out of range", ... – any hints what i did wrong ? |
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| [02:15:59] | mcquaid: | i know this was the default in .20 and seems to be the same in .21 |
| [02:16:14] | mcquaid: | i was watching live tv. I had two scheduled recordings back to back |
| [02:16:41] | mcquaid: | the prompt comes up when my scheduled recording is about to air and defaults to record and watch recording |
| [02:17:02] | mcquaid: | but when the second recording comes up, the default is to stay on that channel |
| [02:17:08] | mcquaid: | so the second recording gets missed |
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| [02:17:38] | mcquaid: | why is that the default? Is there anyway to change it? I want scheduled recordings to always have priority |
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| [02:20:36] | lanuser: | Hello – I have a weird issue with my lirc blaster, when I send_once the STB doesn't receive the number, but if I do a send_start it receives many, any idea why send_once wouldn't work? Some timing issue in lircd.conf? |
| [02:22:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Change the 'min_repeat' in your config to a little higher... that might fix it... |
| [02:23:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: One of my sat boxes needs the 'min_repeat' set to 4... the other 2 work with just '1'... |
| [02:23:18] | mcquaid: | has anyone else encountered this? |
| [02:23:55] | lanuser: | J-e-f-f-A ok thanks I'll try that |
| [02:23:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcquaid: I can't say — I haven't watched Live TV in a LONG time... ;-) |
| [02:24:04] | mcquaid: | ;) |
| [02:24:19] | mcquaid: | it's really annoying. I would think it's a bug, but supposedly it's be deisgn |
| [02:24:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: setting it to '4' or such shouldn't hurt anything either... |
| [02:24:24] | mcquaid: | makes no sense to me |
| [02:26:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcquaid: The last time I watched LiveTV was when I was on 0.20, and it worked properly there... It would switch to the program being recorded. |
| [02:27:08] | mcquaid: | yes it does, but not for a second recording only the first |
| [02:27:31] | mcquaid: | the second recording has a different prompt, and the default is stay on the current channel. |
| [02:27:50] | mcquaid: | even though the recording is done, it continues recording on that channel |
| [02:27:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcquaid: Ok, never encountered that then...;-) |
| [02:28:32] | mcquaid: | really hurts the WAF. this has happened before. this time, she was watching tv, fell asleep and woke up to only 1 of her 2 shows recorded |
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| [02:29:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcquaid: Tell her to quit watching livetv! ;-) |
| [02:30:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcquaid: Or get more tuners... ;-) |
| [02:31:12] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [02:31:19] | PatrickDK: | my wife keeps it on livetv 24x7 |
| [02:31:28] | cesman: | file a bug report |
| [02:31:34] | PatrickDK: | I have to make sure there is always enough harddrive space for that |
| [02:31:49] | PatrickDK: | what is worse, is she is teaching the kid to do the same thing |
| [02:32:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | mcquaid: make sure to mention that it's on the 2nd 'Watch while recording" prompt though... that the 1st one works, but not the 2nd one... |
| [02:33:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Any luck with lirc? |
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| [02:35:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I finally setup the 2nd display on my backend... pretty neat running the frontend on it to wath stuff while working on the backend... ;-) |
| [02:40:07] | lanuser: | hmm, min_repeat 4 seemed to help a bit at first but it's not consistent, now send_start even seems to send the digit many fewer times |
| [02:40:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: What is your stb? |
| [02:40:45] | lanuser: | the STB is a U-Verse VIP1200 and I know I'm directly over the receive, I took the plastic off to locate it |
| [02:41:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: You might be too close... try moving it a little bit away – I had one sat receiver that I had to have it like 2" away... |
| [02:41:45] | lanuser: | no kidding? |
| [02:42:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Is it one of those stick-on transmitters, or a transmitter on a little 'pole'? |
| [02:42:53] | lanuser: | it's a stick on transmitter from SmartHome from my CommandIR |
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| [02:44:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Humm... then it should be matched properly for 'direct' attachment, although I have a small piece of white paper on the 'bottom' of one of my stick-on transmitters to reflect more IR into the sat receiver... |
| [02:44:49] | lanuser: | the results seem very intermittent, send_once will work fine once, then the next 20 times it won't, then it does again |
| [02:44:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: But I built my own ir blaster, so perhaps I'm not driving it with enough current – my other self-made IR eyes work fine... |
| [02:44:51] | nevyn: | does anyone know if I can cable the command IR directly to the IR-IN on my AVR safely? |
| [02:45:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Oh, one sec... do you have a light (especially a flourescent) anywhere near the IR receiver? |
| [02:45:42] | lanuser: | J-e-f-f-A CommandIR tech support did mention they don't transmit very strong as not to interfere with other devices, I also noticed it's not as bright when viewed with a digital camera |
| [02:45:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: IE shining into it... |
| [02:46:02] | lanuser: | yes, flouressent lights, is that it, duh, I'm in the basement |
| [02:46:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | try shadowing the front of the receiver and sending the command... if it works, then you just need to make a simple 'shield'.. ;-) |
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| [02:47:01] | lanuser: | hmm, still very intermittent in the dark |
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| [02:48:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Ok, so it's probably either too weak, or too strong... Those stick-on ones (at least the ones I have) emit the IR actually from the side opposite of the cable going into it, not the sticky side. Try moving it 'up' a little on the IR window and see if it improves any.,. |
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| [02:50:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | hi xris — issue was a bogus entry in my hosts file... but kormoc also found a bug with the script that caused it to not output the error... ;-) |
| [02:50:45] | xris: | ah, cool |
| [02:53:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | so thanks for helping too.. ;-) |
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| [03:02:47] | lanuser: | J-e-f-f-A hmm, still so intermittent, you're right where the light comes out, I see now with the digital camera it's coming out the "end" but only 1/10 blasts from the same location seem to work |
| [03:05:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: do they look the same with the camcorder, or are the 9 or so that don't work 'dimmer' or something? |
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| [03:09:56] | lanuser: | J-e-f-f-A they look the same whether with send_once or send_start |
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| [03:14:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Then I'd suspect the timings are slightly off, or perhaps the frequency is wrong. |
| [03:15:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Does your myth IR blaster also have a receiver? |
| [03:15:49] | lanuser: | yes, it's on the same USB device |
| [03:16:08] | lanuser: | it's so weird, I just changed two channels in a row, then nothing, maybe it's an LIRC bug? |
| [03:16:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Did you learn the remote, or did you find a config file somewhere? |
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| [03:16:52] | lanuser: | I found it here --> http://www.nabble.com/Trying-to-use-irrecord- . . . ml#a13939458 |
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| [03:17:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Then I'd record your own file from your remote using 'irrecord'... |
| [03:18:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: perhaps the timings in that file aren't close enough for your usb transmitter... |
| [03:21:56] | lanuser: | weird, by digit 3 on the remote I get a "Sorry, something went wrong. Try again" |
| [03:24:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | lanuser: Do other buttons/digits work ok? |
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| [03:29:28] | lanuser: | 1 and 2 did, then nothing so I control-c'ed out |
| [03:29:49] | lanuser: | Maybe I should try recording with my old trusty serial packard bell receiver |
| [03:30:20] | Dagmar: | That's actually a pretty good idea. |
| [03:30:59] | lanuser: | I think I'll leave that for tomorrow, the sandman calls now, J-e-f-f-A thanks very much for your help tonight! |
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| [03:47:25] | Dagmar: | Be glad you don't have to program LIRC to handle these buttons: http://engrish.com/image/engrish/anal-remote.jpg |
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| [04:19:08] | wagner: | i cant think of any reasonable explanation for that button |
| [04:19:27] | cesman: | analog? |
| [04:19:50] | iamlindoro: | Channel misspelled |
| [04:20:23] | wagner: | i would think that were it 'analog', it would swap between analog and digital, and have a better indication of that |
| [04:20:54] | wagner: | channel, as in you type in the number, and then hit 'channel'? instead of the traditional 'enter', or nothing at all |
| [04:21:29] | Dagmar: | I'm thinking analog, but that's pretty wishful on mypart. |
| [04:21:35] | Dagmar: | It could mean pretty much anything. |
| [04:21:54] | Dagmar: | ...or it could be a special remote for a hotel's PPV service. |
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| [04:22:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah! MythDora5 works great on an Asus Pundit P2, right out of the box... even with 720p HD! |
| [04:23:04] | kormoc: | Dagmar, I'm more wondering how the +/- is linked to the Anal |
| [04:23:04] | wagner: | i suppose the remote could be used by this guy: http://engrish.com/image/engrish/ass-manager.jpg |
| [04:27:04] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Viewing angle perhaps? |
| [04:27:31] | wagner: | that could work, like angle on a DVD |
| [04:27:49] | kormoc: | still, angl != anal |
| [04:28:08] | Dagmar: | Well, I'm sure as hell not Googling "ANAL button" at work |
| [04:28:18] | Dagmar: | Umm... or _anywhere_ for that matter. |
| [04:28:22] | wagner: | im at home, bring on the horror! |
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| [04:33:27] | wagner: | sadly any forums ive found are equally clueless |
| [04:33:42] | vontrapp: | who can tell me just exactly when mythtv decides to autoexpire the next show? |
| [04:34:00] | wagner: | it decides to do it when it runs out of hard drive space |
| [04:34:01] | wagner: | no sooner |
| [04:34:15] | kormoc: | I am one who can tell you the answer |
| [04:34:19] | kormoc: | wagner, that's not quite true |
| [04:34:23] | vontrapp: | i'm building a monitor that will tell me how close the next in the expiry will expire, and i'm having a hard time grokking just how much space it keeps free |
| [04:34:56] | wagner: | well it will keep a certain amount of empty space, i think it defaults to 10GB |
| [04:35:06] | vontrapp: | i have it set to 1g |
| [04:35:16] | vontrapp: | but it's still not exactly that |
| [04:35:17] | kormoc: | wagner, sure, and it also attempts to calculate how much space the next recording needs |
| [04:35:41] | kormoc: | so if there is 1.5 G free, and you set it to 1G and it thinks the next show will use more then .5G, it will autoexpire |
| [04:35:44] | vontrapp: | i thought maybe it had something to do with the next recording, but still it expires sometimes in the middle of a recording |
| [04:36:03] | kormoc: | also it will expire when you have a max recording number set and the expire old and record new option set |
| [04:36:18] | kormoc: | vontrapp, it only guesses, if it guesses wrong, it has to correct itself |
| [04:36:32] | wagner: | that max recording is only per-show right? i dont remember there being some global setting |
| [04:36:39] | kormoc: | yes, per show |
| [04:36:45] | vontrapp: | i see, so if i have .6g of "free" space, and it guesses the recording will take .55 |
| [04:36:58] | vontrapp: | then half way through it realizes it will take .61, it will then expire? |
| [04:37:02] | wagner: | only if you tell it to only reserve 0.05GB |
| [04:37:02] | kormoc: | yup |
| [04:37:25] | wagner: | you mean 'free' after the reserve... |
| [04:37:29] | vontrapp: | "free" == free – buffer (1g in my case) |
| [04:37:37] | Dagmar: | \Pfft. |
| [04:37:45] | Dagmar: | You guys didn't make that sound nearly complex enough. |
| [04:38:12] | wagner: | ok, it also makes a call to the psychic friend's network for good measure |
| [04:39:28] | vontrapp: | well thanks guys, though i'm not as yet sure how i will work this information into my monikor |
| [04:39:55] | wagner: | you can just poll the upcoming recordings |
| [04:40:09] | wagner: | tally the time, and based off the average recording rate, find the size |
| [04:40:21] | vontrapp: | i'm doing that already, so would i look at "filesizehigh"? |
| [04:40:51] | vontrapp: | and does that contain the most up to date guess of how much space it will require? |
| [04:41:16] | wagner: | filesizehigh in the database? what table? |
| [04:42:03] | vontrapp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Pro . . . ETALLPENDING |
| [04:42:20] | vontrapp: | from the socket interface |
| [04:42:41] | kormoc: | that will be the current top seen filesize, I believe it's left over from the ringbuffer days |
| [04:42:52] | kormoc: | but i could be very wrong |
| [04:43:24] | kormoc: | as far as I know, there's no way to request the guess from the backend |
| [04:43:37] | vontrapp: | well, there's filesizehigh and filesizelow |
| [04:43:45] | vontrapp: | one of them has to be an actual filesize, right? |
| [04:44:04] | kormoc: | when we had a ring buffer, the filesize would change up and down |
| [04:44:17] | kormoc: | min fill amount, max fill amount |
| [04:45:17] | wagner: | the other problem is that guessing file size with a digital tuner is a crap shoot |
| [04:45:31] | wagner: | you can try to guess, but you can easily be 20% off in either direction |
| [04:46:24] | wagner: | i have a 30-min show thats 3.6GB, and an hour show thats only 5.7GB |
| [04:46:27] | wagner: | both 720p |
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| [04:57:54] | vontrapp: | i don't get why, if it's already deciding whether to expire or not real time and not just at the beginning of a recording, then why doesn't it just expire at the point where the space runs out? |
| [04:58:39] | kormoc: | vontrapp, because it causes extra IO load that might cause recording glitches and the like |
| [04:59:25] | vontrapp: | but it's doing it anyway in the middle, because the guessing is a crapshoot |
| [04:59:37] | kormoc: | not always |
| [04:59:44] | kormoc: | for the most part mine guesses correctly |
| [05:00:12] | wagner: | ive always deleted before i needed to expire, so my comments are pure speculation |
| [05:03:44] | vontrapp: | well mine is constantly expiring now... |
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| [05:43:57] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i got another dsr-4410 for $345 |
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| [06:22:43] | CCFL_Man2: | mr bush sent me the two tv converter box coupons i requested |
| [06:23:14] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: you actually have need for them? |
| [06:24:22] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: i'm hoping they can demod qam and decode mp2 |
| [06:24:47] | xris: | probably not qam, but it's possible |
| [06:25:01] | cesman: | interesting... |
| [06:26:05] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: my plan is to set my rf upconverter to a channel that is shared with the broadcast band, it might not tune catv, but it mght demod qam, the tuner in the box i ordered supports it |
| [06:29:47] | xris: | I just don't see the point of analog |
| [06:30:46] | CCFL_Man2: | i have a audio only channel i want on my cable system, i need a low power box than can demod qam and decode mp2 so i can output to my console radio |
| [06:30:57] | vontrapp: | it's easy and doesn't take up gobs of space |
| [06:31:26] | CCFL_Man2: | thats the only reason why i want one |
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| [06:33:45] | CCFL_Man2: | some small, low power box that can just do audio |
| [06:36:22] | xris: | ah |
| [06:36:31] | xris: | figure it'd just be easier to use a qam tuner |
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| [06:41:08] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: where do i find one? |
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| [06:42:38] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: i do want a qam tuner that can decode transport streams |
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| [06:47:33] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: pretty much every atsc tuner out there these days does qam |
| [06:47:40] | xris: | hdhomerun is my current fav |
| [06:49:25] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: i need something that can decode mp2 |
| [06:49:50] | xris: | all atsc/qam is mpeg2 |
| [06:50:09] | nevyn: | CCFL_Man2: you don't want the capture card decoding the mp2 |
| [06:50:14] | nevyn: | srsly. |
| [06:50:14] | CCFL_Man2: | my samsung sir-t451 won't decode it |
| [06:50:36] | CCFL_Man2: | nevyn: i'm talking about stbs |
| [06:50:47] | nevyn: | oh. |
| [06:50:51] | xris: | nevyn: he probably means record, not decode |
| [06:51:14] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: not familiar with that. sounds more like chip than card to me, though. |
| [06:51:15] | nevyn: | sigh if only people would say what they mean. |
| [06:51:44] | nevyn: | decode == turn file on disk into images onscreen and sound from speakers. |
| [06:51:49] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: a dsp issue |
| [06:52:05] | nevyn: | decrypt == munge with fancy magic number math stuff |
| [06:52:21] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: not sure what that has to do with tuner cards for mythtv, though |
| [06:52:25] | nevyn: | sometimes I hate linux |
| [06:52:33] | nevyn: | s/linux/english/ |
| [06:52:37] | CCFL_Man2: | nevyn: i don't want to use a small pc for audio |
| [06:53:00] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: it really has nothing to do with it |
| [06:54:40] | nevyn: | CCFL_Man2: so what you're saying is you wish to purchase a proprietary system that plays media nad has a high WAF? |
| [06:54:43] | CCFL_Man2: | i have a wrt usb router with usb audio stick that decodes the internet radio stream |
| [06:54:54] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: my mistake.. mythtv-users channel and all that. :) |
| [06:55:09] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: sorry, hehe |
| [06:55:15] | xris: | just figured you wanted to get it into your myth system like everything else |
| [06:55:18] | nevyn: | xris: I dunno how I got it all outta shape too. |
| [06:55:31] | nevyn: | I need to setup the commandIR |
| [06:55:35] | CCFL_Man2: | nevyn: i have my own digital cable system |
| [06:55:41] | nevyn: | 3 remotes is too many. |
| [06:56:00] | ** xris is getting a free Harmony One remote ** | |
| [06:56:53] | nevyn: | xris: I'd love a harmony 1000 but.. $$$ and I have the commandIR already |
| [06:56:59] | nevyn: | plus it's kinda more flexible. |
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| [06:57:23] | famicom: | hello |
| [06:57:32] | nevyn: | hi |
| [06:57:47] | nevyn: | xris: I can do delayed sequences and stuff. |
| [06:57:53] | famicom: | can someone perhaps explain to me why mythtv stops working after i change channels |
| [06:58:11] | kormoc: | famicom, I bet the logs could |
| [06:58:23] | famicom: | kormoc should i log to database |
| [06:58:26] | famicom: | or is there a file |
| [06:58:27] | nevyn: | I can setup myth to do stuff like (if we're not playing video. and nothing's happened for 5 minutes.. bug the user that you're gonna turn the display off. |
| [06:58:47] | nevyn: | cause display == projector == limited life globe |
| [06:58:58] | xris: | nevyn: I honestly just use the remote that came with my onkyo.. and a big rf keyboard for myth because I'm too lazy to finish setting up my mce remote for myth (sad since I wrote the example config file) |
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| [06:59:08] | famicom: | Oh |
| [06:59:10] | nevyn: | xris: what sort of onkyo? |
| [06:59:13] | CCFL_Man2: | nevyn: my system isn't proprietary, it's transport streams are either dvb, digicipherII, or atsc, all qam modulated on my own cable system |
| [06:59:13] | famicom: | I got mine |
| [06:59:26] | xris: | nevyn: 605, I think. I forget. |
| [06:59:39] | CCFL_Man2: | nevyn: completely standards based and open |
| [06:59:41] | nevyn: | xris: I have a 603.. the remote has a LOW WAF |
| [07:00:03] | xris: | doesn't take much to watch tv. and my wife's a closet geek. :) |
| [07:00:20] | nevyn: | I like the onkyo remote. |
| [07:00:33] | xris: | it's decent. doesn't map properly for my dvd player, though |
| [07:00:42] | famicom: | kormoc, how do i get the logs i need |
| [07:00:45] | nevyn: | one of the motivations is to make myth recognise the onkyo vcr codes |
| [07:01:21] | xris: | anyway, time for me to sleep. |
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| [07:01:29] | nevyn: | and I'd like myth to set the AVR surround mode based on the source channels. |
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| [07:13:41] | CCFL_Man2: | i wonder just how hard it will be to learn german, get a job in germany, and assimilate myself into german culture |
| [07:13:53] | famicom: | here's a fun bug |
| [07:13:53] | famicom: | "Interlaced pictures + spatial direct mode is not implemented" |
| [07:14:07] | famicom: | how do i squash it and keep mythtv from fucking segfaulting |
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| [07:44:04] | baalsgate: | hi ayone have a slow frontend menu system ?? |
| [07:44:11] | baalsgate: | or know how to fix it ? |
| [07:44:20] | kormoc: | by slow you mean? |
| [07:46:04] | baalsgate: | I mean select something on the menu and it takes 5 seconds to load the next screen , same hardware as i had running a fc6 version was 500 times faster |
| [07:46:23] | baalsgate: | and that is in qt |
| [07:46:54] | baalsgate: | im now running ubuntu |
| [07:48:15] | baalsgate: | i have googled and googles heaps of people with similar issues no solutions that i have found to be aplicable to my setup |
| [07:49:08] | JohnMahowald: | Nope, but then I run Fedora |
| [07:52:48] | kormoc: | no issues here (Gentoo) |
| [07:59:52] | cesman: | baalsgate: perhaps providing more details (hardware, etc...) |
| [08:00:01] | cesman: | baalsgate: have you looked at your logs? |
| [08:00:12] | jblack: | There some broadcast ATSC channels that I can lock on and get a table on. There there are channels I can lock on, but not get a channel. |
| [08:00:23] | jblack: | Is there something I'm doing wrong? Nice strong signal |
| [08:00:37] | cesman: | baalsgate: from your searching, is the issues always w/ ubuntu? |
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| [08:06:51] | baalsgate: | cesman no i dont think its specific to ubuntu |
| [08:12:06] | cesman: | ok |
| [08:12:51] | cesman: | still doesn't answer the first two statements I made |
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| [08:17:08] | baalsgate: | cesman sorry mate did not see that |
| [08:17:31] | baalsgate: | cesman what logs do you suggest i look at ? |
| [08:18:14] | cesman: | /var/log/mythtv/ |
| [08:18:35] | cesman: | you can run the frontend from an xterm and see if it spits out any errors after the failure |
| [08:18:44] | cesman: | ~/.xsession-errors |
| [08:19:44] | baalsgate: | hardware AMD 3800 1Gb RAM nvidia 5700 |
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| [08:20:00] | cesman: | do you have the binary nvidia drivers installed? |
| [08:20:03] | baalsgate: | oh and the other one is about the same with a 4200 |
| [08:20:13] | baalsgate: | I have 3 myth boxes |
| [08:20:21] | baalsgate: | sorry 2 |
| [08:20:55] | baalsgate: | and they both doing the same thing .. i am using the nvidia drivers |
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| [08:27:08] | baalsgate: | ok something about failing to save cache image to /home/mythtv/.mythtv ? but im not sure why that would be |
| [08:27:42] | baalsgate: | ok fixed that |
| [08:30:13] | cesman: | :) |
| [08:32:40] | baalsgate: | that fixed the error on startup but not the menu problem :( |
| [08:33:07] | baalsgate: | no messages going into video or dvd or tv |
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| [08:35:28] | baalsgate: | only message not an error , xmlprase::loadtheme /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Titivillus/video-ui.xml |
| [08:35:47] | baalsgate: | which i assume is normal |
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| [08:37:36] | baalsgate: | slow disk access perhaps ? |
| [08:39:29] | baalsgate: | nope 54.5mb/sec seems ok |
| [08:40:20] | baalsgate: | i have also tried watching "top" while changing directories to see if any process is going nuts |
| [08:42:22] | baalsgate: | i get a 99% cpu use by mythfrontend for 5 seconds |
| [08:42:36] | baalsgate: | mythtv 25 0 223m 148m 21m R 99.9 29.4 1:14.21 mythfrontend.re |
| [08:45:37] | baalsgate: | unkonwn font: bigtitle in textarea:ldl ? |
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| [08:56:51] | baalsgate: | i changed theme its still slow |
| [08:57:01] | cesman: | baalsgate: good luck |
| [08:57:07] | cesman: | later folks |
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| [09:03:47] | baalsgate: | cheers mate |
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| [09:22:25] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, well i figured out why I didn't know browse view doesn't require you to do the scan because i use List view. Do you know if there is a way for List view to do it like browse? I mean right now i have a bunch of Dirs and i just go to the sub folder with what ever i am watching in it |
| [09:22:38] | hadees: | i have too many shows for browse view |
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| [10:02:07] | justinh: | effing stinking new prototype product. never been made to work but guess who has to build one? |
| [10:11:47] | justinh: | web-based UI on the product & there are serious javascript problems. oh well. not my problem :D |
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| [10:26:04] | PaulWay: | Hi all! |
| [10:26:31] | PaulWay: | I've got something really odd: I've just removed a faulty tuner card from my Myth backend and now it's showing no scheduled recordings at all. |
| [10:27:07] | PaulWay: | It's showing schedule, but as soon as I finish setting something to record, that program just goes back to not being recorded. |
| [10:27:16] | PaulWay: | And I can't watch TV in real time. |
| [10:27:26] | PaulWay: | Version 0.21, ATRPMS packages on Fedora 8. |
| [10:27:32] | ** PaulWay starts begging. ** | |
| [10:30:58] | justinh: | no sympathy for fedora users, sorry |
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| [10:37:32] | PaulWay: | justinh: heh. Keeping those distro wars alive, eh? Wonderful. |
| [10:38:04] | jblack: | speaking of religion.... |
| [10:38:21] | jblack: | Has anyone seen an influx lately of so-called admins that use nano for editing? |
| [10:38:24] | jblack: | _nano_ ? |
| [10:38:46] | PaulWay: | Heh. |
| [10:38:58] | PaulWay: | I mean, who doesn't use gedit? |
| [10:39:01] | PaulWay: | Geez |
| [10:39:06] | PaulWay: | :-) |
| [10:39:12] | jblack: | case in point. |
| [10:40:08] | GreyFoxx: | jbl: Not really, those same admins just used pico 10 years ago :) |
| [10:40:27] | Nik_Doof: | whats wrong with nano? it edits text what more do you need |
| [10:40:47] | jblack: | To get done in 5 minutes, rather than 5 hours. ;-) |
| [10:41:06] | PaulWay: | And being all righteous about using emacs over vim or whatever is a boring game anyway. |
| [10:41:22] | PaulWay: | Hi GreyFoxx. |
| [10:41:38] | GreyFoxx: | emacs is an operating system, not a text editor :) |
| [10:42:16] | AndyCap: | well, having "admins" repeatedly break config files with picos |
| [10:42:50] | AndyCap: | since pico was made to edit mail messages and thus has line wrapping by default |
| [10:44:15] | AndyCap: | Besides who says oldschool editors are hard? TECO's syntax is terse; commands are designed to minimize keystrokes. Also, the versatility of TECO "in all its glory" makes it complex. However, just a few commands suffice to get real work done, and a novice TECO user can begin creating and editing text files after only a few hours of instruction. |
| [10:44:26] | justinh: | vi sucks |
| [10:44:30] | justinh: | vim sucks |
| [10:44:36] | justinh: | way to scare away new users |
| [10:45:10] | ** GreyFoxx prefers vi/vim :) ** | |
| [10:45:15] | jblack: | Who's talking about end users? |
| [10:45:24] | GreyFoxx: | I don't care about end users or newbies :) |
| [10:45:33] | ** PaulWay uses vim, gedit and dd. ** | |
| [10:45:35] | GreyFoxx: | I use the best editor for me, fsck others :) |
| [10:45:36] | jblack: | We're talking about administrators. |
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| [10:46:16] | justinh: | who cares so long as they get the job done |
| [10:46:31] | PaulWay: | Like using Fedora, eh justinh ;-) |
| [10:46:39] | ** justinh wonders how many people would stop using certain themes if they ever found out they were made with non-OSS tools :P ** | |
| [10:46:49] | Nik_Doof: | its not free... BURN IT |
| [10:46:59] | GreyFoxx: | just" hopefully none. |
| [10:46:59] | PaulWay: | Heh – true dat. |
| [10:47:04] | jblack: | I hate themes. |
| [10:47:14] | justinh: | PaulWay: was just obtusely pointing out the distro you use has FA to do with the problem |
| [10:47:35] | PaulWay: | Well, some people ask for that, and it's useful to point it out sometimes. |
| [10:47:40] | PaulWay: | So I thought I'd try to be helpful. |
| [10:47:44] | PaulWay: | Feel free to ignore it :-) |
| [10:47:56] | AndyCap: | how many non oss editors are there for linux anyway? Slickedit? wordperfect tanked. :P |
| [10:48:09] | justinh: | AndyCap: more non-OSS graphic tools |
| [10:49:23] | PaulWay: | I've run mythfilldatabase on it, but still no joy with upcoming recordings. |
| [10:50:20] | justinh: | so the tuners you've got left... are they still bound to a videosource? |
| [10:50:29] | AndyCap: | screw adobe. I suspect they base their experience on their failed framemaker experiment in 2000 |
| [10:50:52] | PaulWay: | justinh: yep./ |
| [10:50:59] | justinh: | and the remaining tuners... are they all at the same device nodes as before? |
| [10:51:05] | PaulWay: | Hmmm. |
| [10:51:09] | ** PaulWay checks ** | |
| [10:52:10] | PaulWay: | I don't have console access to the machine at the moment. Where's that kind of data stored in the database? |
| [10:52:16] | PaulWay: | Is it in settings or in a table? |
| [10:52:56] | justinh: | all settings are stored in tables |
| [10:53:16] | PaulWay: | Odd. The inputgroup table is saying that it has DVB1 still attached. |
| [10:54:10] | justinh: | you don't have all that much to lose so assuming you have a database backup (you SHOULD always have a db backup) – delete all tuners & set em up again |
| [10:55:51] | PaulWay: | See, the problem is I did that the other day when I upgraded to 0.21 in order to get multirec working (according to the instructions). |
| [10:56:15] | PaulWay: | And then none of the old channels would work, so I redid the whole thing – deleted all the cards, deleted all the channels, and set it all up again from scratch. |
| [10:56:46] | PaulWay: | Which was a triple-distilled pain because all the schedules started going screwy. |
| [10:56:55] | PaulWay: | And it's culminated in now. |
| [10:57:00] | justinh: | shouldn't need to delete channels apart from any associated with the videosource the faulty tuner was attached to |
| [10:57:16] | PaulWay: | Well, they're both on the same source. |
| [10:57:21] | justinh: | you can't just go pulling tuners out & expecting myth to carry on regardless ;) |
| [10:57:28] | PaulWay: | I removed the card because its antenna connector had broken. |
| [10:57:55] | PaulWay: | High-quality satellite-grade stiff cables and computers being shoved against the wall don't mix. :-( |
| [10:57:57] | justinh: | good ole shitty Belling-Lee UHF connectors |
| [10:58:03] | PaulWay: | It was a crappy tuner anyway. |
| [10:58:53] | PaulWay: | Anyway, all the channels are in there now, and all the schedules were working moments before I pulled the card, and now it's all gone. |
| [10:59:37] | justinh: | maybe, delete whatever tuner it was from mythtv-setup |
| [10:59:43] | justinh: | if you'd not already done that |
| [11:00:14] | justinh: | and not being at the machine is no excuse. vnc over ssh anybody? freenx? |
| [11:00:15] | PaulWay: | Yep, I did that immediately after I rebooted. |
| [11:00:18] | justinh: | ;) |
| [11:01:02] | PaulWay: | I don't see that I can get much more out of that that I can't get by probing the database and running ssh -X |
| [11:02:03] | PaulWay: | So all the capturecards are set up to use video device 0. |
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| [11:04:21] | PaulWay: | I appreciate your help here justinh. |
| [11:07:39] | PaulWay: | What the &*$!@? |
| [11:07:56] | PaulWay: | I did a service mythbackend stop, then out of curiosity I did mythbackend --printsched |
| [11:08:01] | PaulWay: | And it prints the correct schedule! |
| [11:08:47] | PaulWay: | Start it again and it says there's nothing in the schedule.. |
| [11:08:49] | PaulWay: | Argh! |
| [11:08:54] | justinh: | maybe you need a mythbackend --resched |
| [11:09:15] | PaulWay: | I tried that before; made no difference. |
| [11:12:00] | PaulWay: | Curse it. udev isn't creating the device directories. |
| [11:12:21] | PaulWay: | Lucky I have an ugly hack for just this circumstance. |
| [11:14:35] | PaulWay: | lspci says it's there... |
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| [11:14:46] | PaulWay: | I wish I understood udev. |
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| [11:34:35] | PaulWay: | Right. Rebooted, now the card is recognised again. yay. |
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| [11:36:54] | PaulWay: | Yay yay yay the schedule has come back! |
| [11:37:05] | PaulWay: | Thanks for bearing with me anyway justinh and everyone. |
| [11:37:23] | justinh: | funny what difference your DVB card modules loading can make :P |
| [11:37:46] | PaulWay: | That's for sure. |
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| [11:47:13] | justinh: | reminds me I need to sort out that stupid debian init script which isn't checking mysql is running before starting mythbackend |
| [11:49:23] | justinh: | I seem to remember the gentoo init script waited for mysql to start |
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| [12:00:02] | clever: | justinh: ubuntu uses upstart instead of the normal init now |
| [12:00:43] | clever: | justinh: and the new set of startup stuff can have info like wait until x is started |
| [12:00:46] | clever: | would probly also be able to start several services at once |
| [12:01:03] | clever: | since it could workout the depends between them like make -j 10 |
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| [12:34:02] | justinh: | arse. no wonder I've been turning into a little fatty! can of coke a day, bag of crisps, chocolate... just lunch alone was taking me 86% of my daily caloric allowance ffs. jees I wish I'd worked that out sooner |
| [12:34:31] | kslater: | hehe |
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| [12:35:18] | justinh: | 28 pounds overweight according to some sites |
| [12:35:49] | justinh: | wonder if my local gym has IRC |
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| [12:36:42] | clever: | id say irc is the problem:P |
| [12:37:05] | clever: | turn the pc off |
| [12:37:06] | clever: | even the master backend:P |
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| [12:52:15] | k-man_: | when i try and use mytharchive, it shows the selected file as taking up 0 space unless i set it to do no reencoding |
| [12:55:10] | baalsgate: | i like vim better than gedit |
| [12:55:21] | clever: | i use vim mostly |
| [12:55:35] | clever: | but i still need gedit if im cut&pasting large parts |
| [12:56:02] | clever: | and ive fed :wq into notepad and gedit more times then i can count:P |
| [12:56:26] | baalsgate: | lol me too |
| [12:58:47] | baalsgate: | i was just playing cod4 and my nvidia drivers crashed having a 3 monitor setup :( it says i need to reboot , dam windows only i have consoles open to machines in the middle of upgrading 5hrs to go damit |
| [12:59:46] | clever: | screen ftw! |
| [12:59:47] | clever: | :P |
| [13:00:00] | clever: | you could easily detact from it without stoping the program |
| [13:00:05] | clever: | and still get the output |
| [13:00:16] | baalsgate: | ?? |
| [13:00:48] | baalsgate: | i have ssh consoles open to remote machine how can i |
| [13:00:50] | clever: | screen manages several terminals like tabs |
| [13:01:02] | clever: | and you can attach&detach to the tabs |
| [13:01:20] | clever: | ive got irssi running on a lpc at home |
| [13:01:32] | clever: | and i can attach to it from any ssh session |
| [13:01:40] | clever: | without restarting it |
| [13:02:02] | baalsgate: | this is xp that crashed only i have ssh terminals open to remote machines |
| [13:02:13] | clever: | yeah |
| [13:02:19] | clever: | but if you close the ssh terminals |
| [13:02:25] | justinh: | screen ftw! |
| [13:02:27] | clever: | you would normaly kill whatever was at the other end |
| [13:02:50] | baalsgate: | if i kill the terminial i kill the bash and process its running on |
| [13:03:00] | baalsgate: | yes |
| [13:03:48] | baalsgate: | unless i can tell linux to move that console to a background process |
| [13:04:11] | justinh: | vim was great for cleaning the kitchen floor :D |
| [13:04:18] | baalsgate: | but i dont know if that is even possible |
| [13:04:26] | clever: | baalsgate: cant easily move something to the background after its started |
| [13:04:37] | clever: | but if you ran it inside screen from the begining it would be trivial |
| [13:05:01] | baalsgate: | what is running inside screen ? |
| [13:05:22] | clever: | its not easy to explain |
| [13:05:35] | baalsgate: | try me |
| [13:05:45] | clever: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen |
| [13:06:06] | baalsgate: | lol and you think i can open a browser in 640x480 lol |
| [13:06:19] | clever: | ive done that on 320x320 |
| [13:06:28] | clever: | in text mode |
| [13:07:27] | clever: | 'Similar to VNC, GNU Screen allows the user to start applications from one computer, and then reconnect from a different computer and continue using the same application without having to restart it.' |
| [13:08:36] | baalsgate: | yes im looking at the wiki , thats very cool , i had not seen that before |
| [13:08:47] | clever: | ive also got an ssh client on my phone |
| [13:08:56] | clever: | so i can attach into screen from the phone |
| [13:08:59] | baalsgate: | me too |
| [13:09:06] | clever: | and resume the irssi or shell i left open at home |
| [13:10:34] | baalsgate: | i would worry about security in being able to make outside connections |
| [13:10:50] | clever: | ssh itself is secure |
| [13:11:11] | clever: | and my firewall doesnt even let it in until you poke the firewall in the right places |
| [13:11:42] | baalsgate: | clever , port knocking good idea |
| [13:11:50] | clever: | isnt actualy port knocking |
| [13:11:57] | clever: | i need to poke it from a palm device |
| [13:12:08] | clever: | i login to a php script with a name/pw and poke a button |
| [13:12:11] | Dibblah: | ssh is only going to be moderately secure running on a phone, since it limits the quality of the encryption you can do. |
| [13:12:18] | clever: | yeah |
| [13:12:29] | Dibblah: | Still much better than anything homebrewed, though :) |
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| [13:12:45] | clever: | the program warns that the phone cant make good randomness |
| [13:12:51] | clever: | not much entropy |
| [13:13:12] | clever: | i also cant set pssh to run 'screen -x' thru ssh |
| [13:13:14] | baalsgate: | what phone are you using ? |
| [13:13:25] | clever: | treo 650 and treo 700p |
| [13:13:52] | baalsgate: | I have an O2 mini xda |
| [13:14:42] | clever: | im looking into making a basic myth frontend for my palm |
| [13:15:16] | clever: | with mythencode(perl script using mencoder) and tcpmp(palm video player) i can copy shows onto an SD chip and play them |
| [13:15:22] | baalsgate: | yay update is complete rebooting time well for this pc anyway :) |
| [13:15:33] | clever: | mmplayer(another palm vid player) has http stream support |
| [13:15:42] | baalsgate: | back in 5 |
| [13:16:03] | clever: | simply need to put a ui arround tcpmp thats based on myth |
| [13:16:09] | Lynet: | clever: Does the palm have a podcatcher? |
| [13:16:23] | clever: | and setup the front/backend for the secure streaming over the web |
| [13:16:37] | clever: | Lynet: the mmplayer can handle podcasts |
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| [13:16:48] | clever: | but because im not paying, it goes on mute after 60 seconds |
| [13:17:04] | clever: | and id still need to convert all the shows(and/or channels) into podcasts |
| [13:18:26] | clever: | i can also get a tcp connection thru usb or bluetooth |
| [13:18:35] | clever: | which pretty much gives the phone free inet access |
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| [13:20:08] | clever: | the dumb software still wants to turn the phone on |
| [13:20:11] | clever: | when connecting over usb |
| [13:24:33] | clever: | "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/hspr-H102; Blazer/4.0) 16;320x320" |
| [13:24:40] | clever: | the browser also lies thru its teeth:P |
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| [15:00:33] | kiu112: | is there any document/solution about the current problems of importing dvb-c channels.conf into mythtv (failing to convert frequency, fec, etc correctly) ? |
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| [15:40:07] | Dibblah: | kiu112: Not a dev question, really. |
| [15:40:46] | Dibblah: | The real solution is to use Myth's scanner, with the patch from Trac to work around the broken provider. |
| [15:44:32] | Dibblah: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . viders1.diff |
| [15:44:44] | sphery: | kiu112: and there's currently work in progress to improve the channel scanner for 0.22 |
| [15:45:30] | Dibblah: | Yeah. Rip-it-out-and-start-again stylee. |
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| [16:48:05] | sonny_jim: | Hi there, I've just installed mythtv on my gentoo box and mythbackend just segfaults, see http://rafb.net/p/oWh78L37.html for output |
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| [16:54:00] | RyeBrye: | Does anyone know if the library libmcupnp works with MythTV's UPnP? ( http://users.pandora.be/bruno.keymolen/libmcupnp.html ) |
| [16:54:29] | RyeBrye: | The reason I'm asking is that there is a mac / AppleTV client built using that – called MediaCloud – but MediaCloud doesn't appear to see my backend |
| [16:56:10] | GreyFoxx: | oooh that must be new |
| [16:56:13] | Dibblah: | sonny_jim: Which installation guide are you following? |
| [16:56:21] | GreyFoxx: | I've looked for a upnp client on a mac before and found nothing |
| [16:56:56] | GreyFoxx: | rye: I'll test that out tonight if I get a chance |
| [16:59:20] | RyeBrye: | GreyFoxx – cool. Let me know if you get it to work on yours... then I'll know I need to scrub over my network settings or something |
| [17:00:46] | GreyFoxx: | I'd testit now, but I had shutdown my mac last night before heading out so I can't reach it :) |
| [17:01:31] | RyeBrye: | No problem :) |
| [17:01:47] | GreyFoxx: | sonny: My first thought would be to migrate to 0.21 hehe |
| [17:02:34] | RyeBrye: | It says in the about: "Client for UPnP server types: urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:MediaServier:1" – does that line up with what MythTV's UPnP server is using? |
| [17:02:47] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [17:03:05] | GreyFoxx: | you running 0.21 or trunk ? |
| [17:03:08] | RyeBrye: | 0.21 |
| [17:03:14] | GreyFoxx: | latest -fixes ? |
| [17:03:16] | RyeBrye: | Yeah |
| [17:03:17] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [17:03:18] | RyeBrye: | Wlel... |
| [17:03:23] | RyeBrye: | maybe not latest, I can check my version |
| [17:03:34] | RyeBrye: | I compiled from fixes about a month or so ago |
| [17:03:43] | GreyFoxx: | there have been no upnp fixes since then |
| [17:03:45] | GreyFoxx: | so it should be fine |
| [17:04:29] | GreyFoxx: | ok, it's only 2 months old |
| [17:04:37] | GreyFoxx: | no wonder I hadn't found it lsat I looked for one |
| [17:05:26] | RyeBrye: | The reason I'm particularly interested in this one is that it has an AppleTV plugin already for it... so it would make the AppleTV capable of playing back the MythTV files if it could talk with the mythv backend corectly |
| [17:05:35] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [17:05:56] | RyeBrye: | I've installed the full Frontend on the appleTV before, but the performance isn't that great |
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| [17:07:31] | RyeBrye: | is the trunk version useable now? I usually run trunk, but I switched off to fixes when the mythUI changes were coming down the pipe |
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| [17:08:17] | RyeBrye: | I'm fine with bleeding a bit in order to get the bleeding edge features, but if it is still in a state of major flux I can wait a bit longer :) |
| [17:12:51] | sonny_jim: | Dibblah: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV |
| [17:12:56] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, it's not just mythui, it's also porting to qt4, Personally I'd wait, but there are people who are using it |
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| [17:19:39] | beandog: | sonny_jim, #gentoo-mythtv |
| [17:19:55] | sonny_jim: | Ah, thanks |
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| [17:21:14] | RyeBrye: | Ok. I'll wait a little longer |
| [17:23:07] | RyeBrye: | GreyFoxx – I had my MediaCloud opened in the background for a long time, and when I switched to it to quit it – I see now that it had finally found my MythTV backend... |
| [17:23:31] | RyeBrye: | it took it forever, so I don't know what was going on... |
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| [17:24:14] | RyeBrye: | I'm not able to playback video, it seems, but my backend is also right now churning away at rebuilding the mythv fixes since I checked and there were some upnp changes shortly after the version I was running from |
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| [18:03:50] | ** janneg wonders if the HD PVR is already shipping ** | |
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| [18:04:57] | janneg: | the driver takes longer than anticipated |
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| [18:07:07] | iamlindoro__: | janneg, No ship notice so far and my preorder was in the first preorder hour |
| [18:07:18] | iamlindoro__: | probably safe for at least a good few days, I would expect |
| [18:07:50] | iamlindoro__: | and even then, people should have known what they were getting in to :) |
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| [18:09:29] | janneg: | yeah, I somehow expected delay. it's not my primary concern to have a driver out as soon as the first device is delivered |
| [18:09:51] | iamlindoro__: | I kinda figured it might slip a bit too |
| [18:10:07] | janneg: | but I should announce it then to avoid duplicate work |
| [18:10:17] | jams: | iamlindoro__- my HD PVR showed up today |
| [18:10:32] | iamlindoro__: | jams, Really?? Showed up? wow! Nice! |
| [18:10:53] | janneg: | and I don't want to announce it without code |
| [18:10:54] | jams: | yeah it's sitting right next to my copy of duke nukem =) |
| [18:11:07] | iamlindoro__: | haha, ok that's better |
| [18:11:09] | kormoc: | uhh... burn? |
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| [18:11:29] | ** kormoc waits for slickness to abound ** | |
| [18:12:12] | iamlindoro__: | was gonna say, don't think my card has even been charged yet |
| [18:12:20] | janneg: | jams: duke nukem forever? |
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| [18:22:55] | Penfold: | result. PVR150 nabbed on eBay :) |
| [18:25:54] | dustybin: | ouit thats mine |
| [18:25:57] | dustybin: | hands orf |
| [18:26:29] | JohnMahowald: | Note to self: figure out how to make PVR150 not unless before US digital conversion |
| [18:26:32] | jams: | janneg- yes..did your HD PVR also come bundled with a copy of duke nukem forever? |
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| [18:28:00] | Penfold: | JohnMahowald: :) |
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| [18:28:23] | ** Penfold only wants it for its composite/s-video in, so.... ** | |
| [18:31:23] | beandog: | that is nice, too. |
| [18:31:40] | ** beandog was just ripping some VHS the other day ** | |
| [18:31:44] | beandog: | if you could call it ripping. |
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| [18:39:20] | iamlindoro__: | janneg, http://brentevans.blogspot.com/2008/04/hauppa . . . ayed-to.html |
| [18:39:53] | janneg: | jams: no, it came without case |
| [18:40:42] | iamlindoro__: | looks as though you have some time |
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| [18:45:25] | janneg: | iamlindoro__: yeah, thanks. I hope I'll have the driver out well before shipment |
| [18:45:30] | iamlindoro__: | :) |
| [18:51:26] | Penfold: | beandog: I have a bunch of stuff on Sky+ that I want ripping to DVD-R: as my current process involves a very flaky Goodmans DVD recorder, anything'll be better :) |
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| [19:38:45] | wagner: | johnmahowald: the 150s will be plenty good for analog cable for several years |
| [19:39:56] | JohnMahowald: | Assuming I move to where there is cable |
| [19:40:08] | JohnMahowald: | Or, hook it up to the converter box |
| [19:40:56] | JohnMahowald: | Crap that won't work, one has to use a remote to change the channel and keep the TV on channel 3 |
| [19:41:29] | wagner: | IR blaster comes with the 150s |
| [19:43:19] | JohnMahowald: | Not if you get media center edition |
| [19:47:01] | Anduin: | MCE remote+blaster is usually about $30 USD |
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| [20:25:23] | tidjy: | hello everybody |
| [20:25:58] | tidjy: | I do not succeed in compiling. |
| [20:26:00] | tidjy: | mythtv |
| [20:26:09] | tidjy: | i have a message |
| [20:26:37] | tidjy: | '/usr/bin/ld: ne peut trouver -lXvMCW' |
| [20:27:19] | tidjy: | however I have libraries in / srv / xorg / lib |
| [20:27:33] | tidjy: | have tou got an idea |
| [20:27:35] | tidjy: | ? |
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| [20:30:17] | Anduin: | tidjy: How did configure find it in /srv/xorg/lib? You are actually trying to use XvMC? |
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| [20:30:38] | kormoc: | he left |
| [20:30:56] | justinh: | Enoanswer in 30 seconds.. useless channel! |
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| [20:32:45] | KjetilK: | he |
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| [20:33:20] | KjetilK: | somebody who can't wait 30 secs for an answer should probably use a binary distro... |
| [20:33:41] | justinh: | more like should prolly just go get a ready-made DVR |
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| [20:42:38] | sonny_jim: | Does mythtv normally compile ok using distcc? |
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| [20:42:55] | iamlindoro__: | normally, yes |
| [20:43:30] | kormoc: | I use distcc |
| [20:44:06] | sonny_jim: | Ok, for some reason mythbackend keeps segfaulting on startup when using the one from portage on Gentoo. I'm just trying to compile it from the download on the mythtv website |
| [20:44:11] | sonny_jim: | 0.21 I think |
| [20:45:23] | sonny_jim: | Does anyone use a dbox2 with mythtv? I'm just wondering if mythtv has the capabilities to change the channel on it or if it just plays whatever mpeg2 stream is coming out of it |
| [20:50:03] | ajh: | any quick way to empty one of the directories in a given storage group? |
| [20:50:09] | justinh: | sonny_jim: last time I looked, dbox2 support was erm... non-worky |
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| [20:50:56] | ajh: | can I just create a 2nd group that contains some of the directories, make a playlist and migrate it? |
| [20:51:19] | justinh: | sonny_jim: anyway, if Virgin media got wind of yours they'd not be happy about it |
| [20:52:22] | sonny_jim: | justinh: What are you implying? |
| [20:52:33] | sonny_jim: | That I'm doing something illegal? |
| [20:52:38] | justinh: | I'm saying that if they find out they won't be happy |
| [20:52:51] | justinh: | it's against their T&Cs to connect anything of your own to their cable |
| [20:52:58] | sonny_jim: | It's got nothing to do with them, I'm not stealing Pay TV if that's what you mean |
| [20:53:40] | justinh: | the T&Cs say, I know.. I read them. So I got rid of my dbox2. I wasn't stealing TV either |
| [20:53:54] | sonny_jim: | Ptssch, you got rid of a dbox2 because of T7C? |
| [20:54:01] | sonny_jim: | *T*C? |
| [20:54:09] | sonny_jim: | Gah, I give up. |
| [20:54:21] | justinh: | that and all I was using it for was mythbusters & southpark |
| [20:54:39] | sonny_jim: | Don't take this personally, but you are a moron if you got rid of a perfectly working dbox2 because you were worried about Virgin |
| [20:55:05] | justinh: | they want rentals for 2nd boxes from people. can't blame em for that |
| [20:55:28] | sonny_jim: | I don't own any Virgin kit apart from the internet connection |
| [20:55:45] | justinh: | nice hole, well dug |
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| [20:55:59] | sonny_jim: | I don't understand what the problem is? |
| [20:56:12] | justinh: | you're only paying for broadband then? |
| [20:56:15] | sonny_jim: | yes |
| [20:56:22] | sonny_jim: | And I use the Dbox2 for FTA channels |
| [20:56:28] | justinh: | but you have a box which can get all the channels? hmmm |
| [20:56:41] | sonny_jim: | 21:53 < sonny_jim> It's got nothing to do with them, I'm not stealing Pay TV if that's what you mean |
| [20:56:58] | justinh: | I'm not saying anything but I can't imagine Virgin seeing it in a positive light |
| [20:57:20] | sonny_jim: | I'm sorry, but if you assuming that everyone who owns a dbox2 is stealing Pay tv, then you may as well say that every internet users is downloading illegal music |
| [20:57:46] | justinh: | anyway, the dbox2 recorder code isn't very healthy |
| [20:58:14] | iamlindoro__: | I'll say every american using a DVB-S card is a pirate, does that count? ;) |
| [20:58:18] | justinh: | best i got was using a pvr150 and a perl script to change channels |
| [20:58:18] | sonny_jim: | Cool, that's what I wanted to know |
| [20:58:33] | justinh: | hope ya don't get busted! |
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| [20:58:51] | sonny_jim: | Gah, look. I CAN'T get busted, because I'm not doing anything illegal |
| [20:59:03] | sonny_jim: | Don't be scared of big corporations, most of what they write in the T&C's wouldn't stand up in court anyway |
| [20:59:03] | justinh: | not illegal but you're breaching the contract |
| [20:59:15] | justinh: | they can at least disconnect you |
| [20:59:46] | sonny_jim: | Go phone em up, give em my IP address if you want |
| [20:59:53] | sonny_jim: | Seriously, ain't got nothing to hide here |
| [20:59:57] | justinh: | and I seriously don't swallow the guff about only watching FTV channels. imagine the temptation. since I didn't though I'll give that the benefit of the doubt |
| [21:00:17] | sonny_jim: | I just get a bone on for anything that runs Linux, really |
| [21:00:40] | justinh: | go to any computer fair these days & they're rife with cable stealing gear |
| [21:01:39] | justinh: | and I wouldn't care if their own STB was as responsive & as reliable as others. but that doesn't change the fact they don't like 3rd party kit :P |
| [21:02:15] | justinh: | then again I watched a vid from a comcast user the other night. if people say VM's STB software is shite they wanna see what's going on the US |
| [21:05:23] | justinh: | anyway just for old time's sake & to declare myself as something of a hypocrite :P ... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/dbox2chans.tar.gz |
| [21:05:56] | justinh: | * may not work with Y-web or whatever it is now |
| [21:06:09] | justinh: | no money back, no guarantee |
| [21:06:20] | justinh: | and yeah I'm a wanker but wtf can you do? |
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| [21:07:12] | justinh: | and btw even after selling it I'm still not effing shot of it. guy who bought it doesn't have 2 braincells to rub together |
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| [21:18:03] | sonny_jim: | strangely enough, I see dbox2channel.o, so maybe it may work. I'll grab those scripts and have a look, thanks. |
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| [21:19:46] | Nik_Doof: | lots of people are getting busted for cable stuff atm |
| [21:20:12] | Nik_Doof: | idiots on markets selling bodged boxes |
| [21:22:56] | sonny_jim: | I prefer the US gov buying hooky cisco boxes and now crapping themselves because all their secure networks might have backdoors |
| [21:23:44] | sonny_jim: | But anyway, ot etc |
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| [22:19:24] | arren: | hi all |
| [22:20:01] | arren: | i'm going crazy pls i need help |
| [22:20:13] | arren: | i've proble with job user in mythtv . |
| [22:20:38] | arren: | this is what happen |
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| [22:21:29] | arren: | my user job 1 is : |
| [22:21:47] | arren: | user job:/usr/local/bin/nuvexport-xvid --mencoder --nice 8 --input="%FILE%" |
| [22:22:06] | arren: | and this is the log |
| [22:22:21] | arren: | You are running nuvexport as root — this is not advised |
| [22:22:31] | arren: | Press ENTER if you really want to do this. |
| [22:22:41] | arren: | JobQueue: Finished "XVID CONVERSION" |
| [22:22:54] | arren: | but no really conversion |
| [22:23:04] | arren: | somebody can help me pls |
| [22:24:28] | arren: | nobody can ? |
| [22:25:47] | arren: | pls :( |
| [22:26:44] | clever: | arren: dont run it as root then:P |
| [22:27:18] | arren: | i'm not root |
| [22:27:23] | arren: | this is the problem |
| [22:27:36] | clever: | you know how to make basic bash scripts? |
| [22:27:37] | arren: | i'm normal user |
| [22:27:50] | arren: | a little bit |
| [22:27:58] | clever: | make a script to run the id program |
| [22:28:03] | clever: | then run nuvexport-xvid |
| [22:28:12] | clever: | and then set that script as the userjob |
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| [22:28:22] | clever: | uid=1000(clever) gid=1000(clever) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(pl ugdev),106(lpadmin),110(scanner),112(admin),1000(clever) |
| [22:28:25] | arren: | the problem is the id program |
| [22:28:33] | clever: | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| [22:29:16] | arren: | no sorry but i'm to newbie i don't understand |
| [22:29:48] | arren: | if i run nuvexport in a terminal it works |
| [22:29:57] | arren: | really well |
| [22:29:57] | clever: | ps aux|grep mythbackend |
| [22:30:06] | clever: | what line does it output for the backend? |
| [22:30:21] | arren: | ok wait |
| [22:30:22] | arren: | thx |
| [22:30:26] | clever: | mythtv 9963 1.4 6.2 227584 32484 pts/1 Sl+ 09:07 9:02 mythbackend -v network |
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| [22:31:22] | arren: | it says my username |
| [22:31:27] | arren: | and |
| [22:31:48] | jroysdon: | Hey, I'm writing a cronjob to move Christmas music out of my /storage/music/Christmas area and into /storage/music.off/Christmas, and I'll have another cronjob to move it back at Thanksgiving. The biggest downside I can see is the need to go into Music Settings and scan the collection. |
| [22:31:59] | jroysdon: | Is there a CLI way to force a music scan? |
| [22:32:02] | clever: | bbl |
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| [22:32:04] | arren: | root 4402 |
| [22:32:09] | arren: | blade 4907 |
| [22:33:06] | arren: | i'm on windows sorry now my mythbox is under the tv |
| [22:33:18] | arren: | that's what i see |
| [22:33:27] | arren: | wich parameter i need |
| [22:33:32] | arren: | to know |
| [22:33:44] | cal_: | jroy: can you write a cronjob that does my dishes? ;) |
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| [22:34:35] | arren: | with nuvexport 0.4 works |
| [22:34:41] | ubuntu_: | hi here |
| [22:34:46] | arren: | but nuvexport 0.5 has problem |
| [22:34:50] | jroysdon: | cal_, sure, you make the gear that knows how to wash them |
| [22:34:53] | xris: | arren: what version of mythtv? |
| [22:35:00] | arren: | 0.21 |
| [22:35:08] | arren: | 0.21–10 |
| [22:35:12] | xris: | .4 actually works with .21? |
| [22:35:16] | ** jroysdon is running MythDora 4 (MythTV 0.20.1–161) ** | |
| [22:35:22] | xris: | anyway, it might have something to do with the homedir not being set? |
| [22:35:23] | ubuntu_: | i've got big troubles using mythbuntu |
| [22:35:28] | arren: | works but i cant' use group folders |
| [22:35:36] | xris: | jroysdon: you should upgrade. mythdora 5 is slick |
| [22:35:39] | arren: | only 1 folder work |
| [22:35:45] | jroysdon: | xris, I was just waiting for it to ship |
| [22:35:58] | jroysdon: | xris, I just haven't had time to check the webpage, but I'll probably do that my next free weekend. |
| [22:35:58] | ubuntu_: | i cannot connect to database (access denied) |
| [22:36:08] | xris: | jroysdon: it's out |
| [22:36:17] | arren: | clever are u there ? |
| [22:36:20] | ubuntu_: | i try as mythtv and as root |
| [22:36:22] | xris: | released yesterday or the day before |
| [22:36:22] | jroysdon: | xris – Ah, 4 days ago, great. |
| [22:36:32] | ubuntu_: | please help |
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| [22:37:02] | jroysdon: | So, anyknow know the backend part that updates the music collection (scans for changes) ? |
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| [22:37:20] | cal_: | ubuntu: mysql -u root mythconverg |
| [22:37:21] | Anduin: | jroysdon: There isn't one |
| [22:37:44] | arren: | nobody use nuvexport 0.5 with user job ? |
| [22:37:52] | ubuntu_: | cal_, i don't have a db called mythconverg |
| [22:37:57] | jroysdon: | Anduin, I'm sure there is, if there is a GUI method, that is just calling some backend process |
| [22:38:26] | cal_: | ubuntu: lol. reinstall |
| [22:38:28] | Anduin: | jroysdon: Yeah, I'm just pulling your leg |
| [22:38:28] | ubuntu_: | Unknown database 'mythconverg' |
| [22:38:44] | ubuntu_: | how to create a new one ? |
| [22:38:46] | arren: | Ubuntu use phpmyadmin |
| [22:38:53] | GreyFoxx: | jr: There is none. It's the frontend that puts that in the databasee |
| [22:39:16] | ubuntu_: | but i cant connect |
| [22:39:16] | arren: | and see what happen to db |
| [22:39:36] | xris: | ubuntu_: read the mythtv documentation. if you're lazy, you can search for mc.sql |
| [22:39:39] | arren: | cant connect with mythbackend |
| [22:40:04] | arren: | or qith mysql |
| [22:40:05] | ubuntu_: | xris, i've read doc but nothing solved my problem |
| [22:40:07] | arren: | with |
| [22:40:14] | Anduin: | isn't mythbutu the one that generated the secret, secure, mythtv mysql password? |
| [22:40:26] | arren: | if u lost the db |
| [22:40:38] | arren: | regenerate it with phpmyadmin |
| [22:40:54] | ubuntu_: | and after what to fill in ? |
| [22:41:03] | arren: | no backup no party |
| [22:41:11] | cal_: | and: its not that secret, its put in a text file in your .mythtv directory ;) |
| [22:41:19] | xris: | ubuntu_: if you follow the part about mc.sql properly, the "no db" message certainly won't be there |
| [22:41:29] | arren: | yes |
| [22:41:33] | arren: | .mythtv |
| [22:41:42] | arren: | in your user folder |
| [22:41:56] | arren: | config.xml |
| [22:42:05] | arren: | if i remember |
| [22:42:22] | cal_: | arrer: yup thats right |
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| [22:42:57] | Anduin: | jroysdon: The list is in the DB, if you do direct manipulations of it you could do what you want. |
| [22:43:13] | Anduin: | (and yes, same with MythVideo) |
| [22:43:18] | arren: | i need help with nuvexport pls |
| [22:43:20] | jroysdon: | Right, so I just need to find out what the Frontend is doing and do it with CLI |
| [22:43:27] | ubuntu_: | xris, where is located this mc.sql on my system ? |
| [22:44:33] | GreyFoxx: | I humbly await your patches to remove the lameness :) |
| [22:44:34] | xris: | ubuntu_: in the mythtv source directory? I don't know where ubuntu puts it. |
| [22:44:45] | GreyFoxx: | oops didn't mean to repaste that in here |
| [22:44:51] | xris: | the ubuntu packages are "broken" because they expect that mysql is already installed/running before you install mythtv. |
| [22:45:04] | xris: | if you remove the mythtv packages, install and start mysql, then re-install mythtv, things should work |
| [22:45:20] | arren: | have u seen the config.xml ?? |
| [22:45:29] | arren: | check it |
| [22:46:04] | ubuntu_: | can you give me the missing file ? |
| [22:47:15] | GreyFoxx: | Damn I wish people who fscking learn to trim quotes from email replies |
| [22:47:25] | arren: | this is my config.xml |
| [22:47:30] | xris: | ubuntu_: it's probably not missing.. you can probably find it with locate |
| [22:47:34] | arren: | <Configuration> <UPnP> <UDN> <MediaRenderer>e7a6aa93-cd4b-4bd4-8600-f65b2750d226</MediaRenderer> </UDN> <MythFrontend> <DefaultBackend> <DBHostName>127.0.0.1</DBHostName> <DBUserName>mythtv</DBUserName> <DBPassword>mythtv</DBPassword> <DBName>mythconverg</DBName> <DBPort>0</DBPort> </DefaultBackend> </MythFrontend> </UPnP></Configuration |
| [22:47:34] | GreyFoxx: | scrolling through 6 bloody pages of just quotes to get new content is ridiculous |
| [22:47:39] | ubuntu_: | it is located in /usr/share/mythtv/sql |
| [22:48:24] | arren: | somebody use nuvexport with user job pls |
| [22:48:30] | Anduin: | But when you trim you get accused of deliberately skipping some important point. |
| [22:48:33] | arren: | nuvexport 0.5 |
| [22:48:50] | GreyFoxx: | And: Then the people claiming that are idiots :) |
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| [22:49:40] | fryfrog: | i like how gmail generally does a good job at handling previously included junk |
| [22:49:44] | arren: | mythtv calls nuvexport in user job as root |
| [22:49:49] | fryfrog: | what do you use to read email? |
| [22:49:54] | GreyFoxx: | fryf: No, it makes it worse |
| [22:50:05] | GreyFoxx: | cause users don't know they are leaving the crap in there |
| [22:50:07] | fryfrog: | poking through the archives on myth lists gets annoying |
| [22:50:07] | arren: | somebody can help me pls |
| [22:50:47] | ubuntu_: | xris, can you give me again the command line for importing mc.sql ? |
| [22:50:57] | fryfrog: | maybe you should pass a law requiring only the last 1–2 emails be included :p |
| [22:51:09] | fryfrog: | or get a client that hides the stuff you don't care to see? |
| [22:51:21] | GreyFoxx: | Or people could get a clue? |
| [22:51:27] | arren: | mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv-doc/database/mc.sql |
| [22:51:39] | fryfrog: | yeah right |
| [22:51:46] | GreyFoxx: | Or put repliues in context ? |
| [22:52:03] | GreyFoxx: | It's why you quote the bits you are replying to and put comments in line |
| [22:52:05] | fryfrog: | what does that mean, reply to each paragraph? |
| [22:52:09] | fryfrog: | ah, yeah |
| [22:52:23] | fryfrog: | i agree, that is how i like to respond to messages :) |
| [22:52:36] | fryfrog: | well, not "paragraph" but portion of the email |
| [22:52:52] | GreyFoxx: | Of course I liked it back in the day when you would get bounced from BBS's or inter BBS' conferences if you quoted too much |
| [22:53:01] | GreyFoxx: | fry: exactly |
| [22:53:26] | arren: | nobody use nuvexport ? incredible |
| [22:54:45] | arren: | why mythtv 0.21 runs user job as root |
| [22:54:58] | arren: | my myth of course |
| [22:55:02] | xris: | arren: I use it (I wrote it).. I just don't use it as a user job |
| [22:55:06] | PatrickDK: | why are you running yuour myth as root? |
| [22:55:15] | arren: | no |
| [22:55:20] | arren: | as user |
| [22:55:30] | arren: | but user job run nuvexport as root |
| [22:55:30] | PatrickDK: | mythbackend? |
| [22:55:43] | PatrickDK: | or mythjobqueue |
| [22:55:47] | xris: | arren: mythbackend runs nuvexport as whatever user it runs as (root in many cases)... |
| [22:55:48] | arren: | sudo mythbackend |
| [22:56:14] | ubuntu_: | how to recreate mythconverg ? |
| [22:56:21] | PatrickDK: | well, if you root mythbackend, well, it's going run as root :) |
| [22:56:33] | xris: | arren: you say that it runs fine if you run it by hand in the console... but did you even check when I asked if mythtv is loading a home directory for itself when it runs as a user job? |
| [22:56:39] | arren: | i can run mythbacken as user ? |
| [22:57:00] | arren: | ahhhhhhhh |
| [22:57:01] | xris: | arren: user vs root shouldn't matter for this. in fact, root should have fewer problems |
| [22:57:10] | arren: | so i'dont install nuvexport |
| [22:57:20] | ** PatrickDK smacks arren ** | |
| [22:57:24] | xris: | huh? |
| [22:57:36] | arren: | i run nuvexport in my home |
| [22:57:42] | arren: | without install |
| [22:57:49] | arren: | without install it |
| [22:58:07] | xris: | not really the problem, but installing it might help |
| [22:58:29] | arren: | i have installed it with sudo make install |
| [22:58:52] | arren: | but i can run nuvexport without installing it |
| [22:59:01] | arren: | sorry for my english |
| [22:59:42] | xris: | arren: it should be fine. nuvexport is smart enough to know what directory the file itself lives in, and uses that to find other libs. |
| [22:59:54] | arren: | if i run mythbackend us user may i have some problems ? |
| [22:59:57] | xris: | but I suspect that one of nuvexport's requirements is looking for a home directory, and dying when it can't find one |
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| [23:00:33] | arren: | thats what the log says: You are running nuvexport as root — this is not advised. |
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| [23:00:52] | arren: | Press ENTER if you really want to do this. |
| [23:01:03] | arren: | JobQueue: Finished "XVID CONVERSION" |
| [23:01:09] | xris: | arren: you're from italy? (off topic — it's just that I've seen few italian mythtv users, and am going to italy in a couple of months) |
| [23:01:14] | arren: | si |
| [23:01:24] | arren: | yes |
| [23:02:03] | arren: | xris and u ? |
| [23:02:13] | xris: | I'm in the US |
| [23:02:33] | arren: | well |
| [23:02:45] | arren: | xris if i run mythbackend us user may i have some problems ? |
| [23:03:01] | xris: | arren: I' |
| [23:03:20] | xris: | I'm checking the code. looks like maybe that "press ENTER" thing is getting in the way of user jobs. |
| [23:03:24] | xris: | I guess I'll have to fix that. |
| [23:03:45] | arren: | yes |
| [23:03:52] | arren: | the press enter stops the job |
| [23:05:07] | arren: | so xris what to do now for use it |
| [23:05:21] | arren: | run nuvexport in home or mythbackend as user |
| [23:05:41] | arren: | only in terminal works well |
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| [23:06:58] | xris: | or edit the script to comment out the portion that asks you to press enter.. and the <STDIN>; on the following line |
| [23:07:25] | arren: | nuvexport-xvid ? |
| [23:07:27] | xris: | if removing those couple of lines fixes your problem, let me know and I'll add an "official" workaround |
| [23:07:34] | xris: | nuvexport-xvid is just a symlink to nuvexport |
| [23:07:40] | arren: | ok nuvexport |
| [23:07:45] | arren: | how to edit |
| [23:07:50] | arren: | can u help me ? |
| [23:07:55] | xris: | vi? nano? emacs? gedit? |
| [23:08:07] | xris: | if you're not familiar with console stuff, nano is probably easiest |
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| [23:08:42] | arren: | i'm on wondows now with lan |
| [23:08:48] | arren: | i'm using ultraedit |
| [23:09:12] | arren: | this is what i see |
| [23:09:13] | arren: | print "You are running nuvexport as root — this is not advised.\nPress ENTER if you really want to do this.\n"; |
| [23:09:24] | xris: | yeah |
| [23:09:32] | xris: | delete that, and the next line that says <STDIN> |
| [23:09:36] | arren: | after <STDIN>; |
| [23:09:43] | arren: | ok |
| [23:10:18] | arren: | it starts in this way |
| [23:10:19] | arren: | if ($< < 1) { print "You are running nuvexport as root — this is not advised.\nPress ENTER if you really want to do this.\n"; <STDIN>; |
| [23:10:29] | arren: | what to delete ? |
| [23:10:47] | arren: | from |
| [23:10:48] | arren: | # Annoy people running as root |
| [23:11:09] | xris: | just the two lines.. print and STDIN |
| [23:11:24] | xris: | though I guess you could kill that whole BEGIN bit |
| [23:11:33] | arren: | ok i try |
| [23:11:35] | arren: | wait |
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| [23:15:39] | arren: | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/bin/nuvexport-xvid line 35. |
| [23:15:55] | xris: | arren: sounds like you removed too much, or not enouygh |
| [23:15:59] | xris: | enough |
| [23:16:08] | arren: | this is the line 35 |
| [23:16:10] | arren: | use MythTV; |
| [23:16:26] | arren: | but before this problem the log says |
| [23:16:45] | arren: | No backends found. Please copy /root/.mythtv/config.xml from a working MythTV installation instead. |
| [23:16:53] | arren: | root ??? |
| [23:17:09] | xris: | it's running as root |
| [23:17:24] | arren: | i don't know why |
| [23:17:25] | xris: | and needs that config file. apparently you don't have the perl upnp libraries installed, or upnp is turned off |
| [23:17:43] | arren: | i have installed in cpan |
| [23:17:49] | arren: | how to turn on |
| [23:18:25] | arren: | und; attempting to find mythbackend via UPnP |
| [23:18:34] | sphery: | arren: You need to install Net::UPnP::QueryResponse , too |
| [23:18:35] | arren: | found. Please copy /root/.mythtv/config.xml from a working MythTV installation instead. |
| [23:18:45] | arren: | already installed |
| [23:18:49] | sphery: | Probably not... |
| [23:18:58] | arren: | thx sphery |
| [23:19:04] | sphery: | You did (from CPAN): install Net::UPnP |
| [23:19:07] | arren: | believe me in cpan |
| [23:19:07] | sphery: | right |
| [23:19:24] | sphery: | It does /not/ also install (a usable version of) Net::UPnP::QueryResponse |
| [23:19:34] | sphery: | So, do an: install Net::UPnP::QueryResponse |
| [23:19:40] | sphery: | and it won't give you that error. |
| [23:20:00] | arren: | installed Net::UPnP::QueryResponse too |
| [23:20:46] | arren: | xris how to turn on upnp |
| [23:20:56] | arren: | how to check it |
| [23:21:04] | sphery: | At that point, you can either: a) set the UPnP PIN to 0000 (no PIN required) or b) copy ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [23:21:28] | arren: | how to set pin to 0000 |
| [23:21:29] | xris: | arren: not sure. but just follow the instructions. copy a working config.xml to that directory |
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| [23:21:39] | xris: | like from your frontend user's homedirectoy |
| [23:21:46] | arren: | ok |
| [23:21:49] | sphery: | set the pin with mythtv-setup as the Security Pin (Required) setting |
| [23:22:07] | arren: | ok sphery |
| [23:22:11] | sphery: | xris: am I right to assume that the bindings/scripts don't support a means of specifying a PIN? |
| [23:22:42] | xris: | sphery: not sure, actually. probably not. just what's in the config.xml file |
| [23:24:14] | sphery: | So, I'm pretty sure that means that the autodetection only works if you specify 0000 for the Security Pin |
| [23:24:49] | arren: | i've copied the config |
| [23:24:53] | arren: | and it works !!!!!!!!!! |
| [23:25:02] | arren: | thx guys |
| [23:25:05] | sphery: | which is fine by me--I don't want others (like my dev machines) automatically finding my production backend, which is why I specified a PIN |
| [23:25:07] | arren: | ths xris |
| [23:25:22] | arren: | thx |
| [23:26:01] | arren: | why this problem |
| [23:26:15] | arren: | the oldf version of nuvexport doesn't have this problem |
| [23:26:39] | sphery: | because MythTV (and nuvexport) and more have gotten better |
| [23:26:50] | sphery: | (if you don't see the better, you're not seeing the whole picture) |
| [23:27:21] | arren: | :) |
| [23:27:30] | arren: | xris |
| [23:27:40] | arren: | u think that that lines |
| [23:27:41] | sphery: | the old version is using a configuration file that's now deprecated (and that required that you specify all your database connection info in a plain-text file that others could get to) |
| [23:28:08] | arren: | that i'v deleted |
| [23:28:13] | sphery: | the new version doesn't require that |
| [23:28:51] | arren: | spehery: but why mythtv 0.21 runs job as root ? |
| [23:29:27] | PatrickDK: | are we back to this again? |
| [23:29:36] | sphery: | only your configuration (which is probably specified by your distro/packagers) does |
| [23:29:45] | arren: | opensuse |
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| [23:30:01] | arren: | if i run mythbackend as users |
| [23:30:07] | arren: | permission denied |
| [23:30:15] | arren: | this is the problem |
| [23:30:20] | arren: | i think |
| [23:30:25] | PatrickDK: | permission denied to what? |
| [23:30:37] | arren: | to start mythbackend |
| [23:30:46] | arren: | i have to use sudo |
| [23:30:58] | PatrickDK: | sounds like your issue |
| [23:31:04] | PatrickDK: | I have no issues running it as my user |
| [23:31:13] | arren: | i have opensuse |
| [23:31:17] | arren: | and u patrick ? |
| [23:31:34] | PatrickDK: | I dunno about these opensuse, ubuntu, redhat things |
| [23:31:35] | PatrickDK: | I just install from source |
| [23:31:38] | PatrickDK: | no distro here |
| [23:31:43] | arren: | ah |
| [23:31:54] | arren: | i'm using a distro package |
| [23:32:03] | arren: | packman for opensuse |
| [23:32:21] | sphery: | jroysdon: answering here as it's a -users question |
| [23:32:32] | arren: | xris are u there ? |
| [23:32:33] | jroysdon: | sure |
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| [23:33:32] | sphery: | jroysdon: export with 23.5, then upgrade myth, then restore with 23.5 (not 23.7), then run mythtv-setup (to upgrade DB), then export with 23.5, then drop DB, then run mc.sql, then run mythtv-setup (to screate schema), then do 23.7 |
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| [23:34:04] | sphery: | jroysdon: basically, you have to let Myth do an upgrade of the 0.20 data to 0.21 data, then backup the 0.21 data and use it for the "fresh install" of the DB. |
| [23:34:32] | jroysdon: | sphery, uhm, well, I'm a MythDora kinda users.. seems easier to just do a fresh MythDora 5 install and then set it up again |
| [23:34:38] | jroysdon: | s/users/user |
| [23:34:48] | xris: | arren: sorry, still working (only 4:30 pm here) |
| [23:34:48] | arren: | thank you all |
| [23:34:59] | arren: | thx xris |
| [23:35:11] | sphery: | jroysdon: all depends on whether you want to lose your 0.20 recordings. |
| [23:35:12] | ** jroysdon wonders if MythDora has an upgrade... ah, it does http://www.g-ding.tv/?q=node/3233 ** | |
| [23:35:36] | jroysdon: | sphery, I wouldn't lose 'em, my /storage wouldn't be formatted, but I guess I'd lose the info about them |
| [23:35:39] | sphery: | jroysdon: if you don't care about old recordings, you can easily do a fresh install and just re-create schedules |
| [23:35:48] | arren: | have a nice day xris |
| [23:35:49] | sphery: | jroysdon: yep, the metadata is important |
| [23:35:50] | jroysdon: | (in a month's time they all get deleted anyway, so in two months no one would care) |
| [23:35:57] | arren: | ant thx spery |
| [23:35:58] | jroysdon: | hmmmm |
| [23:36:07] | arren: | thx sphery |
| [23:36:10] | arren: | cya |
| [23:36:15] | sphery: | jroysdon: you can do a MythDora upgrade to get 0.21, then do a 23.5 backup, then a fresh install of MythDora 5... |
| [23:36:23] | sphery: | arren: cya and enjoy |
| [23:36:32] | arren: | thx |
| [23:36:34] | arren: | cya xris |
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| [23:38:36] | jroysdon: | sphery, When you say a MyhtDora upgrade, do you mean with MD5 DVD or via yum or what? |
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| [23:38:50] | the[V]oid: | How can I manually add channels? There's an option for this in the channel editor, but the only thing I can specify here is the channel's id and name |
| [23:38:57] | the[V]oid: | How to specify frequency and so on? |
| [23:41:16] | sphery: | the[V]oid: analog or digital channels? |
| [23:41:36] | sphery: | if analog, I think you need to go to page 2 |
| [23:41:44] | the[V]oid: | it's DVB-S |
| [23:41:48] | sphery: | if digital, you really need to use the MythTV channel scanner |
| [23:41:51] | sphery: | channel scanner, then |
| [23:42:01] | sphery: | is it not finding something for you? |
| [23:42:05] | the[V]oid: | yes |
| [23:42:14] | the[V]oid: | there are a few channels it doesn't find |
| [23:42:15] | sphery: | just one or two channels? |
| [23:42:23] | the[V]oid: | i think arround 10 |
| [23:42:46] | sphery: | are you sure it doesn't find them? Perhaps it's finding them and notices that they're encrypted (and not decryptable with your CAM hardware, assuming you have it) |
| [23:43:28] | sphery: | in other words, are you sure you should be getting those channels (unencrypted and usable)? |
| [23:43:48] | the[V]oid: | well, the channels ARE encrytped but I am able to watch them via mplayer |
| [23:44:06] | the[V]oid: | so I think mythtv SHOULD find them |
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| [23:45:38] | sphery: | well, we're way out of my area of expertise now (as we don't have an option for CAM hardware here in the US), but I'd guess you maybe just need to up the timeout so the channel scanner allows time for the hardware to start decrypting so it can see the channels are actually usable |
| [23:47:25] | the[V]oid: | MythTV is finding some of the encrypted channels I want to watch (of the same provider) so I don't think that is the point |
| [23:48:03] | sphery: | does it really hurt to try it? |
| [23:48:10] | sphery: | I've heard this works for some |
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| [23:48:36] | the[V]oid: | I'm new to mythtv, can you tell me where to up the timeout? |
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| [23:50:00] | sphery: | In mythtv-setup "Signal Timeout (msec): Maximum time MythTV waits for any signal when scanning for channels." |
| [23:50:07] | sphery: | seems to be in the video source |
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| [23:50:57] | sphery: | There's also: "Tuning Timeout (msec): Maximum time MythTV waits for a channel lock when scanning for channels. Or, for issuing a warning in LiveTV mode." |
| [23:51:10] | sphery: | up them both a bit |
| [23:51:20] | sphery: | both are together, too |
| [23:51:43] | sphery: | put them at at least 500, possibly 1000 or so |
| [23:51:54] | the[V]oid: | it's set to 60000, this means 1 minute |
| [23:52:09] | sphery: | did you up them? |
| [23:52:21] | the[V]oid: | no there's already set to 60000 |
| [23:52:34] | the[V]oid: | by default |
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| [23:54:56] | the[V]oid: | I guess that's large enough isn't it? |
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| [23:55:48] | sphery: | is it 65000 for channel timeout? |
| [23:56:24] | the[V]oid: | 60000 is for signal timeout, 62500 for tuning timeout |
| [23:56:59] | the[V]oid: | there's no option for "channel timeout", I guess you meant "signal timeout" |
| [23:57:30] | sphery: | actually meant tuning, but you gave both, so thanks |
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| [23:59:35] | sphery: | Hmmm. I've gotten distracted, but I don't see how you could get the max value for signal timeout (60000) and near max for tuning timeout (62500 of 65000) with defaults... |
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