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| [00:09:30] | fryfrog: | who here was in the silicon valley area? |
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| [00:12:14] | iamlindoro: | Lots of us, including me |
| [00:12:35] | iamlindoro: | am only glancing at the screen so if you had a question I may be in and out, though |
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| [00:33:51] | jblack: | Is there a way to mark a bunch of stuff as watched? |
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| [00:49:13] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [00:50:01] | lwizardl: | in the setup for DVB when it asks for the freq khz is it asking for the LNB freq or the TP freq? |
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| [01:38:06] | lanuser: | Hello – anyone know how to change a commandir blaster to 56khz or have one working with AT&T UVerse? |
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| [01:41:09] | PatrickDK: | you have to get a 56khz led I believe |
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| [01:44:27] | lwizardl: | in the setup for DVB when it asks for the freq khz is it asking for the LNB freq or the TP freq? |
| [01:50:08] | iamlindoro: | transponder |
| [01:53:59] | lwizardl: | k |
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| [02:00:33] | lwizardl: | so if lyngsat says R on it thats the polarity correct? would L be horizontal and R be vertical? |
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| [02:02:23] | iamlindoro: | L and R and H and V are different. Circular versus Linear |
| [02:02:45] | iamlindoro: | a channels.conf will take either |
| [02:02:49] | iamlindoro: | back to TV |
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| [02:03:46] | lwizardl: | ok i'm still trying to get mine working :( |
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| [02:11:15] | wagner: | what is it about polarization that requires a special screen to display? |
| [02:11:31] | wagner: | is it that standard screens and walls scatter the light and break the polarization? |
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| [02:27:56] | super_chuck: | hi all, I created my script to change channel. It wolks fine. Could someone tells me how to tells myth to use this script ? |
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| [02:31:48] | fryfrog: | Any idea why the little preview window would work for a recording, but then when you actually go to watch it it doesn't seem to find the recording? |
| [02:32:36] | fryfrog: | http://pastebin.ca/1002494 |
| [02:33:07] | fryfrog: | that is what i see after i've been hovering on a recording, then try to watch it... black screen for a few seconds, then returns and doesn't show preview. if i back out and go back in, preview works :/ |
| [02:35:18] | loops: | fryfrog, it appears to fail while opening your recording directory.. are you perhaps using a soft link, or is there a permission problem? Not sure why it would work for preview tho |
| [02:36:13] | loops: | fryfrog, ah maybe it's using an empty filename for some strange reason |
| [02:37:04] | loops: | fryfrog, yeah, that's it.. for some reason the recording filename is empty |
| [02:37:17] | fryfrog: | i think you might be right |
| [02:37:24] | fryfrog: | well, humm |
| [02:37:30] | fryfrog: | all the perms are at least +r |
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| [02:38:30] | loops: | fryfrog, perhaps a database index has become corrupt.. there is a mysql script you can run to test/rebuild your db, but i forget what it is.. |
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| [02:38:56] | fryfrog: | mythrename and mythfind orphans |
| [02:39:00] | fryfrog: | both go off cleanly |
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| [02:39:45] | loops: | fryfrog, what about this... mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg |
| [02:40:03] | loops: | (assuming your db is named mythconverg, and your user/pass = mythtv) |
| [02:41:00] | leprasmurf: | hey all, I upgraded my ubuntu to hardy, which upgraded my frontend. My backend is still .20 (knoppmyth), and I am having a problem downgrading the frontend to the .20 version...does anyone know of a way to force a .21 frontend to speak to a .20 backend? |
| [02:41:01] | fryfrog: | that does the same thing as mythoptimize, right? |
| [02:41:14] | loops: | fryfrog, don't know |
| [02:41:45] | fryfrog: | Repaired/Optimized: `mythconverg`.`weathersourcesettings` what you might expect to see? |
| [02:41:47] | loops: | leprasmurf, don't think there is a way. |
| [02:41:51] | fryfrog: | ( for all the tables of course) |
| [02:42:01] | leprasmurf: | loops: hm, ok, ty |
| [02:42:04] | fryfrog: | leprasmurf: no, you'll either need to upgrade the be or downgrade the fe |
| [02:42:38] | leprasmurf: | fryfrog: knoppmyth doesn't have it's new version yet, and it works on the tv so I guess I'll keep trying to downgrade the front end |
| [02:42:43] | leprasmurf: | fryfrog: thanks |
| [02:43:22] | fryfrog: | i would suggest that if you are running different distros, you might be better off compiling your own myth |
| [02:43:31] | fryfrog: | say, using the svn -fixes branch of 0.21 |
| [02:43:36] | tjcarter: | Hi all, I have a total n00b question... Hardware selections. I'm looking at a building a diskless frontend and I want it to be able to handle 1080 AVC video. What sort of CPU is that gonna take? |
| [02:44:01] | leprasmurf: | fryfrog: I was considering that, but I despise the idea of manually upgrading just for the couple of weeks the two distros are out of sync, ya know? |
| [02:44:11] | tjcarter: | Leaning toward the AMD cheapness unless someone can make a solid case for actual Intel cheapness.. |
| [02:44:12] | fryfrog: | then, no matter what flim-flam your distro commits, you'll be okay |
| [02:44:27] | fryfrog: | leprasmurf: what happens if knoppmyth takes more than a few weeks? |
| [02:44:35] | fryfrog: | or herdy builds from the -fixes branch and knopp doesn't? |
| [02:45:03] | fryfrog: | using two different distros and their packages each for myth is asking for problems *everytime* one or the other upgrades :/ |
| [02:45:03] | tjcarter: | You can put -fixes on KM, and it generally works |
| [02:45:10] | leprasmurf: | fryfrog: it's likely to at that, but if I can have a force version in ubuntu for the front-end, then autoupdate security fixes etc once they are sync'd |
| [02:45:21] | leprasmurf: | fryfrog: after all, how long does a new version of myth come out? |
| [02:45:27] | fryfrog: | tjcarter: what is "avc" video? |
| [02:45:36] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: H.264 |
| [02:45:39] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [02:45:54] | fryfrog: | i can play it back on a 4200+ X2 amd64 cpu reasonably well |
| [02:46:14] | leprasmurf: | fryfrog: of course I can just manually build the .20 version until knoppmyth comes out, then revert to the synaptic version |
| [02:46:15] | tjcarter: | okay |
| [02:46:19] | fryfrog: | leprasmurf: well, you know how it works so what ever solution makes you happy is the best choice :) |
| [02:46:25] | tjcarter: | is the dual core really beneficial in a frontend? |
| [02:46:34] | tjcarter: | I'm not doing gaming or anything like that |
| [02:46:37] | fryfrog: | tjcarter: 0.21 i've heard has multi-threading |
| [02:46:48] | leprasmurf: | fryfrog: what distro do you run? |
| [02:46:54] | fryfrog: | but i think really the bump from 3200+ -> 4200+ and *not* using ummm |
| [02:46:56] | tjcarter: | I'm just trying to through full HD video out a DVI port cheaply =D |
| [02:47:07] | fryfrog: | oh yeah |
| [02:47:13] | fryfrog: | i think my real problem was .mkv containers |
| [02:47:20] | ** tjcarter has a single core 3800+ he thinks ** | |
| [02:47:27] | fryfrog: | i think my 3200+ single core would have played .mkv if i wasn't using the *internal* player |
| [02:47:44] | fryfrog: | leprasmurf: i run ubuntu on all my linux systems, haven't taken the herdy leap yet though |
| [02:47:45] | GreyFoxx: | fry |
| [02:47:52] | fryfrog: | but i compile from svn-fixes, soo... |
| [02:47:57] | PatrickDK: | heh, so when did .mkv become a video format? |
| [02:48:03] | GreyFoxx: | fryfr: sepron 2600+ will play 720p x264 mkv's with the internal player |
| [02:48:11] | leprasmurf: | ahh, hehe, so you won't run into this problem anyway |
| [02:48:15] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: so the problem was resolved? |
| [02:48:28] | GreyFoxx: | fry: What problem are you referring to specifically ? |
| [02:48:37] | fryfrog: | the internal player a few months or more ago just couldn't handle .mkv containers |
| [02:48:37] | GreyFoxx: | I made them playable in the internal player with x264 before 0.21 |
| [02:48:44] | GreyFoxx: | yes they work now |
| [02:48:54] | fryfrog: | mplayer would play them fine with like 60% cpu usage, internal on mine would do like 150% and stutter |
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| [02:49:09] | fryfrog: | but at one point, it sucked, right? i swear you are even the one that told me about it |
| [02:49:19] | GreyFoxx: | It did, then I did something about it |
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| [02:49:23] | fryfrog: | ah! |
| [02:50:20] | fryfrog: | humm, that is odd |
| [02:50:32] | fryfrog: | the video plays back fine from the backend + frontend :? |
| [02:50:50] | GreyFoxx: | ummm what ? |
| [02:51:24] | fryfrog: | sorry, problem from above a few pages |
| [02:51:42] | GreyFoxx: | oh |
| [02:51:51] | fryfrog: | my remote fe will show the preview for a recording, then when i try to play it it claims to not find the file and doesn't play it |
| [02:51:53] | ** GreyFoxx goes back to watching stuff ** | |
| [02:52:00] | fryfrog: | then... it won't play the preview till i cycle out and in again |
| [02:52:08] | fryfrog: | the fe+be works though :/ |
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| [02:56:15] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: I'm hoping for 1080p x264 and Apple H.264 (which is a little less efficient, but if I didn't encode it...) or whatever 1080i AVC format the Hauppauge thingy will be using |
| [02:57:14] | tjcarter: | basically everything I get in AVC format is either x264 or Apple's H.264 |
| [02:57:36] | tjcarter: | when I invest in bluray that may change, so there should be room to grow ;) |
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| [03:00:36] | tjcarter: | that's irritating. |
| [03:01:37] | tjcarter: | this router reboots every time you change a static DHCP IP assignment. |
| [03:01:54] | clever: | tjcarter: same with mine |
| [03:02:05] | clever: | i just replaced the whole peice of crap with a linux desktop:P |
| [03:02:24] | tjcarter: | Oh the router is generally very nice otherwise |
| [03:02:40] | clever: | its anoying how it reboots without warning |
| [03:02:44] | clever: | for the smallest things |
| [03:02:58] | tjcarter: | this only reboots when you change stuff |
| [03:03:03] | clever: | not allways |
| [03:03:17] | clever: | ive had it crash every month or 2 without any changes |
| [03:03:21] | tjcarter: | Mine doesn't spontaneously reboot =D |
| [03:03:35] | clever: | i suspect it may be ping timeouts on the ppp link |
| [03:03:38] | clever: | over the pppoe |
| [03:03:41] | tjcarter: | ah |
| [03:03:42] | clever: | 20% packet loss on avg |
| [03:03:48] | tjcarter: | mine's a little smarter than that |
| [03:04:09] | clever: | im using linux for the whole thing now |
| [03:04:40] | clever: | Apr 27 12:41:13 localhost pppd[2428]: No response to 3 echo-requests |
| [03:04:49] | clever: | ping timeout like msg |
| [03:07:38] | Dagmar: | Quick sanity check... it's the PS3 that can do media over uPNP, right? |
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| [03:11:06] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: upnp and upnp-av aren't quite the same thing. =) |
| [03:11:09] | tjcarter: | but yes. |
| [03:11:51] | Dagmar: | I just wanted to be sure I was remembering something correctly. |
| [03:12:18] | Dagmar: | I got am XBox 360 this last weekend (in preparation for GTA4) and now I'm kinda having a form of buyer's remorse |
| [03:13:04] | Dagmar: | Most of my friends got PS3's, which I find kinda amusing because there's _still_ hardly any bloody games for it, but there's apparently going to be more people playing GTA4 on the PS3 than the Xbox |
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| [03:14:58] | tjcarter: | okay, next thing on my list.. If I'm building a new dedicated FE, my BE should also get some love. New HD, and a replacement for this piece of SHIT Antec Sonata II |
| [03:15:12] | fryfrog: | anyone updated to herdy and had any problems / liked it a lot or something? |
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| [03:16:03] | tjcarter: | The BE is going to move to a closet, so it need not be a tiny HTPC case or anything, but I'm looking for decent internal layout for thermal reasons. |
| [03:16:16] | tjcarter: | Not looking to build a rats nest inside the new case. |
| [03:16:46] | fryfrog: | I love the Chenbro case I got ages ago, but it is pretty big and reasonably expensive (imho) |
| [03:16:59] | i_is_cat: | lian li |
| [03:17:15] | fryfrog: | kind of a waste of a pretty case for a *closet* :p |
| [03:17:22] | tjcarter: | yeah |
| [03:17:26] | i_is_cat: | they make server towers |
| [03:17:52] | tjcarter: | I mean if I were to design something from scratch, I'd aim for something like Apple uses on their G5 and Mac Pro cases |
| [03:18:05] | tjcarter: | those things have NO wires running loose in the case |
| [03:18:22] | tjcarter: | and htey have direct intake-across the components-exhaust cooling |
| [03:18:41] | fryfrog: | http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769 |
| [03:18:42] | i_is_cat: | i want a 12x5.25" bay case that i can load with a mini-itx motherboard and 12 pico-itx nodes |
| [03:18:54] | fryfrog: | looks like my site needs some fixing of those pages :/ |
| [03:19:09] | i_is_cat: | hmm |
| [03:19:20] | i_is_cat: | i think i'm going to buy a pico this week |
| [03:19:46] | tjcarter: | I'm actually considering a 4-in-3 hard drive rack or something |
| [03:20:14] | tjcarter: | SATA cables could be easily run and that'd reduce the maintenance on the thing a lot |
| [03:20:23] | fryfrog: | that chenbro has 2 bays for 4 drives, the inserts i have are "perm" but they make hotswap inserts |
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| [03:20:55] | fryfrog: | i also threw 2 drives into the 5.25 bays, but would love one of those do-hickeys you are talking about if they weren't so expensive :? |
| [03:22:56] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: I'm considering the second generation CM Stacker |
| [03:23:08] | tjcarter: | it's not as big, but maintains the all 5.25 drive bays |
| [03:23:16] | tjcarter: | put your drives where you want them, etc |
| [03:23:51] | tjcarter: | they have an internal 4–3 cage, but if I were to invest in that, it'd be an external-access one. |
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| [03:25:54] | tjcarter: | I do like how your case makes the optical drives a separate cooling zone |
| [03:26:01] | fryfrog: | is there a way to force a frontend to stream recordings, even if it finds them "locally" (say, in the case of nfs mount) |
| [03:26:10] | fryfrog: | tjcarter: yeah, that was pretty spiffy |
| [03:26:15] | psm321: | what does a "TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(451)" mean? (i know it has to do with not being immediately able to write to disk, but does that message mean it was successfully able to buffer before writing or that data was lost?) |
| [03:26:17] | fryfrog: | and fans *right* behind the hard drives is nice too |
| [03:26:34] | fryfrog: | i think data was lost psm321 :/ |
| [03:26:48] | fryfrog: | i used to see that when i was first playing with myth on some really sub-standard hardware |
| [03:26:52] | fryfrog: | are you using a framegrabber device? |
| [03:27:01] | fryfrog: | (ie, not mpeg2 encoder onboard) |
| [03:27:20] | clever: | fryfrog: yep in the playback options on the frontend setup |
| [03:27:24] | psm321: | fryfrog: no this is with an mpeg encoder, but recording at very high bitrate and also have other high disk activity going on |
| [03:27:26] | fryfrog: | thanks |
| [03:27:41] | clever: | fryfrog: my main need for that is that writing to the file(backend recording) trashes the nfs readahead cache |
| [03:27:46] | fryfrog: | psm321: ah, that could be it... coul dyou use ionice to recude the other activity's stuff? |
| [03:27:53] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: it doesn't look meant for a case with a fan mounted in the bottom though |
| [03:27:53] | clever: | fryfrog: causing extra bandwidth to get wasted and the playback to stutter |
| [03:27:56] | tjcarter: | er |
| [03:28:02] | tjcarter: | PSU with a fan mounted in the bottom |
| [03:28:05] | fryfrog: | clever: ahh! |
| [03:28:14] | tjcarter: | (I'm not 100% convinced those are good ideas anyway) |
| [03:28:17] | fryfrog: | tjcarter: no, and that type of PSU in big wattage is *hard* to find |
| [03:28:20] | clever: | fryfrog: only a problem with the underpowered things like wifi or the 400mhz frontend |
| [03:28:20] | psm321: | fryfrog: yeah, i should... i just never figured out how to use it |
| [03:28:41] | psm321: | fryfrog: that and i occasionally do get that w/o other heavy disk activity, but a lot less often |
| [03:28:43] | fryfrog: | well, maybe this'll solve the "file isn't there" when it really is problem :/ |
| [03:28:59] | clever: | fryfrog: a 2nd minor problem is that mythtranscode/flag also stream |
| [03:29:05] | clever: | when forced to allways stram |
| [03:29:18] | clever: | which just causes mythbackend to suck cpu when it could be offloaded to nfsd |
| [03:30:11] | clever: | a -O to the fe would probly help to work arround that |
| [03:30:13] | psm321: | when i use mythtranscode as a standalone program, is the backend still responsible for renaming the file? (the transcoded file is still called .tmp after mythtranscode exited) |
| [03:30:23] | psm321: | or do i have to do that manually? |
| [03:30:29] | clever: | i think mythtranscode does the actual rename |
| [03:30:33] | psm321: | (this is my first time doing a standalone transcode) |
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| [03:30:38] | clever: | when its ran properly |
| [03:30:42] | psm321: | hmm it seems to have missed doing that somehow |
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| [03:30:56] | psm321: | i did: time mythtranscode --honorcutlist --mpeg2 -c 1032 -s 20080410191100 |
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| [03:33:08] | psm321: | btw, is there any way to increase the buffer size for writing? (i'm fine w/ editing source if needed) |
| [03:33:33] | clever: | linux has its own in kernel buffer for writing to file |
| [03:33:34] | clever: | s |
| [03:33:53] | clever: | i notice it most when writing to slow/loud media like a usb stick or floppy |
| [03:34:23] | clever: | the blocks get delayed until the umount |
| [03:34:41] | clever: | probly waiting to batch them to avoid seeking as much |
| [03:34:59] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: I almost don't want any 3.5 bays, if you can understand my logic there |
| [03:35:02] | psm321: | clever: yeah but it seems like (from a very cursory reading of the code) that ThreadedFileWriter will drop data if it exceeds its own buffer |
| [03:35:12] | Dagmar: | Umm... no. They writes don't get delayed until a umount. |
| [03:35:31] | Dagmar: | The writes are simply written to the cache. |
| [03:35:33] | clever: | Dagmar: ive copyed 3mb mp3 files to my usb stick before |
| [03:35:37] | clever: | and the led not come on once |
| [03:35:43] | Dagmar: | It's an entirely asynchronous in operation normally. |
| [03:35:47] | clever: | yeah the cache is delaying it |
| [03:36:07] | clever: | enless you mount with -o sync |
| [03:36:10] | Dagmar: | Every 5s or so the caches get flushed, or when a sync is called for. |
| [03:36:16] | Dagmar: | Sync is called before umount for _obvious_ reasons. |
| [03:36:24] | clever: | im often doing umount under 5 seconds after a cp |
| [03:36:32] | psm321: | i think you guys are agreeing on what happens, just w/ different terminology :) |
| [03:36:34] | clever: | so it doesnt have a chance to auto flush |
| [03:36:46] | Dagmar: | No, I think I'm saying he was dead wrong about writes being delayed _for_ a umount. |
| [03:36:53] | clever: | yeah |
| [03:36:59] | clever: | its delayed for 5 sec or the umount |
| [03:37:03] | clever: | whichever comes first |
| [03:37:06] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [03:37:18] | Dagmar: | It's got nothing to do with the damn umount. |
| [03:37:18] | clever: | umount/eject/sync all seem to flush the cache to disk |
| [03:37:55] | clever: | the /bin/umount could just be calling sync() internaly |
| [03:38:23] | Dagmar: | It's not. |
| [03:38:36] | psm321: | well, the file doesnt seem to be getting rnamed, so i'm going to do it manually... would appreciate it if someone could tell me if i gave mythtranscode the wrong args (i'm new to calling it manually... usually have the myth queue doing transcoding) |
| [03:38:56] | clever: | ive read a good deal into kernel programing but havent dug into how the filesystem itself is made yet |
| [03:39:30] | fryfrog: | okay, i don't get this :/ |
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| [03:41:30] | fryfrog: | http://pastebin.ca/1002540 |
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| [03:41:37] | fryfrog: | does anyone see anything obvious about that? |
| [03:41:42] | psm321: | doh... i realized after manually renaming what the problem may have been |
| [03:41:54] | psm321: | the old file was still being held open by the frontend |
| [03:42:08] | fryfrog: | mailing list search seems to imply that the "get basename" problem is due to the channel ids changing (i physically moved) |
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| [03:42:20] | fryfrog: | but why would they *work* on the master be (running a fe) |
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| [03:42:56] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: If this had an ATX backplane... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811164079 |
| [03:44:00] | fryfrog: | humm, maybe my storage groups are busted :/ |
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| [04:04:20] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: I'm also considering this Lian Li just because I can remove those 3.5 internal bays, but I'm thinking it doesn't quite have enough room to reach inside it.. Yours is much better. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112099 |
| [04:04:34] | fryfrog: | omg, i think the whole problem might have been time zone :/ |
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| [04:05:03] | tjcarter: | time zone, seriously? |
| [04:06:23] | clever: | that problem came back for me when dst came along |
| [04:06:36] | clever: | half my systems where forced into TZ=AST4 (no dst changes) |
| [04:06:51] | clever: | and the other half had it properly setup for dst |
| [04:06:59] | clever: | and became gmt-3 without warning |
| [04:07:51] | loops: | For some reason Myth has become a lot slower for me.. it sometimes takes 10 or 15 seconds for a program to start after selecting it from the menu.. Going through the program guide is slow too.. |
| [04:08:06] | loops: | Is there some database optimizer that might help? |
| [04:08:22] | clever: | there is a php script to tell mysql to optimize every table |
| [04:08:26] | clever: | actualy its perl |
| [04:08:37] | clever: | in the contrib folder |
| [04:08:49] | loops: | clever, thanks i'll try to dig that out.. |
| [04:09:43] | ** clever goes off to sleep ** | |
| [04:10:59] | fryfrog: | problem mother fucking fixed! |
| [04:11:02] | fryfrog: | stupid time zone |
| [04:11:23] | loops: | fryfrog, what a strange symptom.. nice find |
| [04:11:28] | fryfrog: | yeah, seriously |
| [04:11:56] | fryfrog: | i wonder if i should tempt the wrath of little baby jesus and upgrade to ubuntu 8.10 :/ |
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| [04:20:57] | justdave: | a lot of really BIG stuff tends to land right after the previous version releases |
| [04:21:06] | justdave: | and stuff is unstable as hell for about a month |
| [04:21:24] | justdave: | I usually wait a month or two after a release before tempting the development version of the next one |
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| [04:26:01] | AngryElf: | hey folks — i'm going to reinstall the OS on my backend box — other than dumping the DB and using the same hostnames/moutn points is there anything else obvious I should consider before I do this? |
| [04:31:05] | psm321: | i'm getting a lot more instability (mythbackend) after updating to 0.21-fixes from early january svn |
| [04:31:43] | psm321: | AngryElf: i'd keep a backup of everything or at least /etc, in case you need to copy some configuration, etc |
| [04:32:52] | tjcarter: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119138 That is the most ridiculously overdone (and overprised) case I have ever seen |
| [04:35:34] | justdave: | AngryElf: your video storage from myth you should back up, too, if you want to keep that |
| [04:36:02] | justdave: | where that is depends on how you installed it |
| [04:36:13] | AngryElf: | diff partition |
| [04:36:27] | justdave: | ah, in that case it's probably safe :) |
| [04:36:35] | justdave: | as long as you don't overwrite that partition installing the OS. :) |
| [04:37:35] | fryfrog: | justdave: makes sense, i jumped on 7.10 in like RC2 or so |
| [04:37:42] | fryfrog: | and my laptop upgrade went well |
| [04:37:50] | fryfrog: | well, the 2 servers i found kernel bugs :/ |
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| [06:08:48] | tjcarter: | ahh, this thing would be perfect if not for ATI X1250 graphics.. |
| [06:09:58] | RyeBrye: | The AppleTV? |
| [06:10:00] | tjcarter: | unless that problem was solved when I wasn't looking? |
| [06:10:06] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: Some Asus thing. |
| [06:10:10] | RyeBrye: | oh, ok |
| [06:10:30] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: I'm trying to get a 1080p-capable diskless frontend cheaply |
| [06:10:51] | RyeBrye: | 1080p and cheap don't usually go together :) |
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| [06:11:00] | tjcarter: | they do in a diskless frontend. |
| [06:11:07] | tjcarter: | with an AMD chip ;) |
| [06:11:16] | RyeBrye: | How cheap? |
| [06:11:31] | tjcarter: | about $250, excluding this ATI video issue. |
| [06:11:35] | RyeBrye: | Hmm... not a bad idea |
| [06:12:05] | RyeBrye: | I could take my current backend, throw a couple 1TB drives in it and get an HD HomeRun and then use a diskless HD frontend to play it all back |
| [06:12:26] | tjcarter: | Shave the price a little and go for this NV-based thing.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110057 |
| [06:12:48] | RyeBrye: | The main thing holding me back from recording HD is that I know dang well my box wont play it back – it's just a single core P4 1.8 GHz with 1 gig of RAM and an Nvidia G-Force 6200 card |
| [06:12:54] | tjcarter: | Throw any $40+ AMD X2 chip at it and you can handle a single 1080p stream |
| [06:13:13] | RyeBrye: | Cool |
| [06:13:39] | RyeBrye: | I thought the AppleTV might be a good solution, but for me the performance was really crappy when I loaded Myth on it |
| [06:13:49] | tjcarter: | I'm looking at dedicated front ends because I've pretty much given up on using my iMac as one part-time ;) |
| [06:13:58] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [06:14:05] | RyeBrye: | makes sense |
| [06:14:06] | tjcarter: | nah it's pretty much a 1GHz processor |
| [06:14:22] | tjcarter: | unless you get accellerated video going nicely, that's not gonna cut it |
| [06:14:27] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [06:14:31] | RyeBrye: | and it only does 1080i anyway |
| [06:14:37] | RyeBrye: | (well... or scaled 1080p) |
| [06:14:42] | tjcarter: | yeah. |
| [06:14:45] | tjcarter: | minimac. |
| [06:15:11] | tjcarter: | minimac can handle 1080p nicely |
| [06:15:18] | tjcarter: | and has the 8x DVD drive |
| [06:15:41] | RyeBrye: | I think my next bigger purchase for home theater stuff would be a PS3 for the Bluray drive |
| [06:15:51] | tjcarter: | sure |
| [06:15:52] | RyeBrye: | or at least, that's how I've convinced my wife to let me up a PS3 on my "to get" list |
| [06:15:53] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [06:16:12] | tjcarter: | that little ASUS is just begging to be a diskless frontend though |
| [06:16:16] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, it's true :) |
| [06:16:18] | tjcarter: | just add IDE-CF adapter |
| [06:16:30] | tjcarter: | which is like $10 |
| [06:16:47] | tjcarter: | and just about any CF card you can find |
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| [06:19:35] | Lin: | hi there! |
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| [06:23:17] | RyeBrye: | Is the trunk functional now? |
| [06:27:29] | tjcarter: | I think 1GB is sufficient for a FE, wouldn't you agree? |
| [06:27:41] | RyeBrye: | yeah, I would think |
| [06:27:58] | RyeBrye: | maybe 2 to be safe |
| [06:28:50] | Lin: | I have a remote control + infra-red led receiver (rs-232), this remote control came with PCTV card, this works with lirc? |
| [06:29:11] | justdave: | I just got a mac mini to use as a frontend |
| [06:29:20] | justdave: | works really nice once I knocked the kinks out |
| [06:29:56] | justdave: | (kinks == getting the video to treat the TV out port as the only video device instead of doing dual-head with the DVI port) |
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| [06:30:31] | justdave: | I have it hooked to an older TV, so there's no HDMI to hook the DVI to; using the DVI->composite adapter on it |
| [06:31:24] | justdave: | seems like since the composite adapter occupies the DVI port, the TV out would replace the DVI as an available port, but no, the driver apparently isn't that smart. :) |
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| [06:34:06] | RyeBrye: | projectX works so much better for me than mythtrascode... |
| [06:34:06] | RyeBrye: | like... mytharchive actually works for me now, whereas before it used to just randomly crap out on certain files |
| [06:37:40] | tjcarter: | okay, Newegg presently doesn't carry the CPU I intended to use |
| [06:38:10] | tjcarter: | however, the FE I have in mind using nearest matches is $315.54+S&H |
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| [06:38:44] | tjcarter: | ...that ain't bad at all. |
| [06:41:08] | tjcarter: | if you can get it to properly netboot without any CF/IDE thing, you're looking at < $200 |
| [06:41:55] | tjcarter: | Can shave $8 by using an IDE optical drive in that case (I chose SATA) |
| [06:42:13] | tjcarter: | and there's $25 MIR on the RAM, if you bother |
| [06:43:21] | tjcarter: | The option of single core CPUs exists, and up until 0.21 a dual core on a FE is wasted anyway, but I figure there's no sense in shaving a few more dollars there. |
| [07:01:26] | Lin: | anyone here has any comments about pcHDTV hd-5500 card? |
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| [07:15:37] | tjcarter: | Lin: It costs too much? =) |
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| [07:25:46] | justdave: | hmm, so 0.21 will use multiple CPUs if available? |
| [07:26:07] | justdave: | the mini I just got is a Core 2 Duo, so that's good if it does :) |
| [07:27:28] | justdave: | It was replacing a Powerbook G4, because I got tired of not having a working remote control on it |
| [07:27:56] | justdave: | PBG4 has an ATI video card. |
| [07:28:21] | justdave: | There's no PPC linux drivers for that card that will drive the TV out port |
| [07:28:36] | justdave: | that port works fine in OS X of course |
| [07:28:44] | justdave: | but the remote control doesn't work in OS X |
| [07:28:52] | justdave: | (works fine in Linux though) |
| [07:29:11] | justdave: | so I could either have a TV connected or have a working remote, but not both :) |
| [07:29:38] | justdave: | I could get it to work under OS X with the Apple Remote (the little white thing) |
| [07:29:51] | justdave: | but that's the only remote I could make work, and it doesn't have enough buttons to be useful in Myth |
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| [10:28:44] | INternat: | Howdy all. Does anyone know of a plug in that basicly allows myth to connect to the music/media from a media player 11 box? |
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| [10:31:28] | markwaters: | hi all , since moving to mythtv 0.21 with ubuntu 8.04 I am getting a continuous stream of these errors during recordings – " PIDInfo(0) Error: Failed to set TS filter (pid 0x105)" , can't find much on google about it , is it bad / fixable ? |
| [10:31:56] | justinh: | INternat: no such thing exists |
| [10:33:34] | INternat: | thats slightly unfortunate |
| [10:33:36] | hadees: | INternat, sounds like you just volunteered |
| [10:33:39] | INternat: | i assume the same is for itunes as well |
| [10:33:43] | justinh: | yup |
| [10:33:46] | ** justinh laughs ** | |
| [10:34:11] | INternat: | ill get right on that :P |
| [10:34:13] | hadees: | mythtv can serve up media though |
| [10:34:24] | hadees: | right with that format, whats it called, i don't actually use it |
| [10:34:51] | justinh: | u-pimp or something |
| [10:34:53] | INternat: | yeah im trying to address the issue of not wanting to smb/nfs out my music and my itunes library/play lists |
| [10:35:06] | hadees: | nfs isn't that bad |
| [10:35:14] | hadees: | thats what i do with my videos |
| [10:36:14] | INternat: | yeah i do a smb mount for my movies/tv. but my music is on a different box and is more dynamic |
| [10:36:26] | justinh: | mythmusic doesn't do dynamic |
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| [10:36:41] | hadees: | neither does mythvideo for that matter |
| [10:36:41] | fdlinux: | hi |
| [10:36:57] | hadees: | although there is that myth-tools script that you can run on a cron job |
| [10:37:04] | hadees: | i was planning on looking into that |
| [10:37:14] | INternat: | mythvideo semi does dynamic. if you have it set to browse the folders.. |
| [10:37:20] | hadees: | i'm sick of having to contently run that update for mythvideo |
| [10:37:27] | fdlinux: | i am running latest mythtv on fedora 8 with 5.1 surround sound , but i cannot control the sound within mythtv , alsamixer has front , center , side |
| [10:37:32] | hadees: | INternat, not for finding things |
| [10:37:38] | INternat: | oh? |
| [10:37:44] | hadees: | you have to always have it scan |
| [10:37:48] | hadees: | to get new stuff |
| [10:37:50] | justinh: | analogue surround sound ... mmmmm suckage |
| [10:37:54] | INternat: | hmms |
| [10:37:58] | INternat: | i didnt know that |
| [10:38:04] | INternat: | although i typically just browse to what i want to watch |
| [10:38:15] | justinh: | enough people are aware of mythvideo's limitations yet nobody can be BOTHERED to fix em :) |
| [10:38:20] | fdlinux: | anyone know how i can control the sound in mythtv? |
| [10:38:40] | quicksilver: | [ and ] in the default keybindings, I believe. |
| [10:39:03] | hadees: | justinh, unfortunately Qt programing isn't my speciality |
| [10:39:06] | justinh: | I think they wanna control all the different levels. and you can't do that |
| [10:39:22] | hadees: | if that mythpython plugin ever comes out i'll write some frontend stuff |
| [10:39:33] | justinh: | hadees: nor is it mine. never stopped me! |
| [10:39:47] | justinh: | if mythpython ever stops being vapourware... hahahaha |
| [10:39:49] | hadees: | maybe, i am a developer |
| [10:39:56] | hadees: | there was one release |
| [10:39:58] | fdlinux: | i only want to control 1 thing and that is lowering the sound and muting |
| [10:40:13] | hadees: | then the guy dropped dead or was eaten by pirates or something like that |
| [10:40:17] | justinh: | hadees: it never really worked though |
| [10:41:02] | hadees: | its a really good idea though, making the plugin writing easier means more plugins |
| [10:41:08] | GreyFoxx: | hadee: No, you don't need to always scan\ |
| [10:41:10] | justinh: | besides, enough of the core developers hate python :D |
| [10:41:19] | justinh: | hadees: plug writing isn't HARD |
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| [10:41:26] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, how do you get it to not scan when you add new stuff? |
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| [10:41:40] | GreyFoxx: | If you have mythvideo set to browse folders then it will read files from the HD when you enter mythvideo |
| [10:41:44] | justinh: | people spit out the excuses that they can't do Qt or whatever – it's all bullshit |
| [10:41:54] | justinh: | I can't fucking make head nor tail of python |
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| [10:42:06] | GreyFoxx: | you only need to "scan" if you want to add them to the database, so for movie posters and such |
| [10:42:23] | GreyFoxx: | I use mythvideo constantly and prtty much never run the video manager |
| [10:42:50] | hadees: | hmm and all this time i've been making nice posters for my files |
| [10:42:54] | hadees: | screw that then |
| [10:43:40] | hadees: | justinh, python is great, i finally can use all that lisp knowledge |
| [10:43:43] | GreyFoxx: | I only have posters/imdb info on my movies, but I have much more TV eps than I do movies |
| [10:43:45] | hadees: | no one uses lisp |
| [10:43:47] | justinh: | gallery &* list view are pretty mcuh like file browsers |
| [10:43:47] | hadees: | except emacs |
| [10:43:55] | GreyFoxx: | For those I usually just add a folder.jpg to the directory |
| [10:44:06] | justinh: | I've tried. all python looks like gobbledeygook to me |
| [10:44:19] | hadees: | what about ruby? |
| [10:44:26] | justinh: | same with that too |
| [10:44:40] | justinh: | learn to write native code. fast, non-messy :) |
| [10:44:47] | justinh: | and you're learning something new! |
| [10:44:53] | hadees: | i just wrote a scrapper in ruby that downloads all the recipes from food network tv for a given show |
| [10:45:38] | hadees: | if myth recipe ever is finished i am going to write a script to let you automatically import recipes for the Food Network shows you recorded |
| [10:46:02] | justinh: | besides you can always see where the 'we need python bindings' thing is gonna end up. there'll come a point where even that's too limiting & folks will want even more |
| [10:46:56] | hadees: | maybe once i finish learning ruby on rails i'll move back to mythtv |
| [10:47:18] | justinh: | if I can bash out a simple plugin & patches it can't be that hard ffs :) |
| [10:47:20] | hadees: | i pretty much know it already but i got to code a few sites to make sure |
| [10:48:01] | justinh: | granted some plugins are just dealing with lists of stuff & yeah maybe they could just use some lame binding thing or other |
| [10:48:02] | hadees: | i wouldn't mind working on something to let me watch my internet tv shows |
| [10:48:20] | hadees: | right now getting them into mythtv is a pain |
| [10:48:22] | justinh: | whatever became of the 'friendly fork' I wonder |
| [10:48:33] | hadees: | friendly fork? |
| [10:48:38] | hadees: | someone forked mythtv? |
| [10:48:49] | justinh: | kinda |
| [10:48:59] | INternat: | http://tech.tnir.org/2004-03/mythtv-will-supp . . . es-playlists <== seems to indicate that myth has some ability to do that |
| [10:49:29] | justinh: | sudo wget http://$youtubevideoURL; sudo mplayer $youtubevideoFILE; |
| [10:49:40] | hads: | Any ideas where program titles would be getting cut short? Importing from an XMLTV file a title gets cut from "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" to "Terminator: The Sarah Connor C" |
| [10:49:57] | hadees: | INternat, i think that is streaming to itunes |
| [10:50:03] | hadees: | not the other way |
| [10:50:19] | INternat: | bah! |
| [10:50:34] | INternat: | i would have thought if they spent the effort making myth share to itunes, they could have done the client version at the same time!! |
| [10:50:34] | justinh: | as for mythrecipe – no news on that effort for ages now either |
| [10:50:48] | justinh: | what is it with motivation & the lack thereof? |
| [10:50:48] | fdlinux: | nobody that can help with sound problem ? |
| [10:51:02] | justinh: | fdlinux: nobody, you're screwed |
| [10:51:19] | justinh: | try reading the manual. that has been known to help |
| [10:51:32] | fdlinux: | how come it worked then in te past , don't know what happend to it |
| [10:51:33] | hadees: | justinh, myth recipe is a plugin i would love to learn how to code mythtv for but it isn't something i'm prepared to do on my own |
| [10:51:59] | justinh: | everybody saying stuff needs to be done. nobody stepping up. yay! |
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| [10:52:34] | hadees: | justinh, welcome to the Open Source Community |
| [10:53:50] | quicksilver: | to be fair the hurdle for myth is a bit higher than some |
| [10:53:58] | quicksilver: | it's not the simplest program to just jump into and hack at |
| [10:54:16] | hadees: | with myth recipe i wouldn't even know where to start, i think the original won't even build anymore |
| [10:54:18] | quicksilver: | couple that with the fact that its' phenomenally useful and powerful and lots of people who aren't programmers want to use it |
| [10:54:31] | hadees: | quicksilver, anything is easy to hack, now if those hacks work or not is the issue |
| [10:54:47] | quicksilver: | well, I meant successfully :P |
| [10:55:01] | quicksilver: | it's a relatively big code base takes some time to understand. |
| [10:55:30] | hadees: | the wiki part for devs is actually pretty helpful, i've looked over that before |
| [10:55:36] | hadees: | although i think it is out of date now |
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| [11:01:41] | justinh: | the sort of stuff I like to hack on is eminently accessible |
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| [11:02:43] | justinh: | I can see the argument about the entry bar in stuff like the scheduler or the playback code but come on! |
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| [11:12:44] | justinh: | I can kinda see an argument somewhere though – I mean it takes some intelligence & linux-fu to even install mythtv & make it work! |
| [11:13:07] | justinh: | so if the entry bar is "must have brain" I'm all in favour of it |
| [11:16:14] | Frosty-: | unfortunately that cuts out the masses |
| [11:16:15] | Frosty-: | :P |
| [11:17:57] | justinh: | don't see anything wrong with that |
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| [11:31:04] | justinh: | I mean, being able to read is the entry bar to being able to use most books isn't it? :D |
| [11:35:59] | Dibblah: | Nope. |
| [11:36:24] | justinh: | books without pictures then |
| [11:36:42] | Dibblah: | Nope. |
| [11:36:56] | justinh: | funny |
| [11:36:58] | Dibblah: | ... Audio books. |
| [11:37:13] | justinh: | smart arse |
| [11:37:23] | Dibblah: | I try. ;) |
| [11:37:35] | Dibblah: | Okay. That's nasty. |
| [11:37:54] | Dibblah: | PS3 (NTSC, with the PS2 chipset embedded): 200w @ idle. |
| [11:38:07] | Dibblah: | PS3 (PAL, no compatibility): 209w @idle. |
| [11:38:07] | justinh: | hahahaha |
| [11:38:12] | justinh: | save the planet! |
| [11:38:37] | Dibblah: | The PS2 chipset must be gated. |
| [11:38:53] | Dibblah: | And the PAL one just... Well. Sucks. |
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| [11:48:21] | justinh: | whoah what a bunch o weirdos in the mythtv users group on arsebook |
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| [12:08:49] | askand: | Hello! Im am having a strange problem..when I watchtv I sort of get two screens..one in the upper half and one in the lower half with the same channel..how can I fix that? |
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| [12:10:46] | Frosty-: | get some duct tape and mask over the top half |
| [12:11:24] | askand: | ... |
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| [12:23:31] | askand: | I only get the problem when playing the video in normal speed, if I play in 0,9x for example I get video all over the screen |
| [12:23:39] | quicksilver: | askand: but the menu screen is fine? |
| [12:23:50] | quicksilver: | sounds like a video driver bug in your xv drivers |
| [12:24:00] | quicksilver: | try changing the playback profile not to use xv |
| [12:24:02] | askand: | quicksilver: menu is fine, yea perhaps |
| [12:24:12] | askand: | quicksilver: but then it i really slow |
| [12:24:19] | quicksilver: | you could try the opengl playback profile if you have a decent card I think |
| [12:24:29] | quicksilver: | doesn't that use opengl textured video which is also fast? |
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| [12:27:02] | GreyFoxx: | ask: can you take a photo or screenshot ? |
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| [12:28:06] | askand: | GreyFoxx: SURE |
| [12:30:48] | askand: | GreyFoxx: http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/c49a2c3044512 |
| [12:31:44] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmmm I'm willing to bet you have bobx2 enabled |
| [12:31:50] | GreyFoxx: | as your deinterlacing method |
| [12:31:54] | GreyFoxx: | try changing that |
| [12:32:27] | askand: | GreyFoxx: hmm..where is that setting? |
| [12:37:13] | GreyFoxx: | In your playback profile assume you are using 0.21 |
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| [12:41:26] | askand: | GreyFoxx: ok I changed the profile to normal instead of cpu+, and it helped! thanks |
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| [13:08:06] | armbar_: | I mean I have followed this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MTD#Forw . . . _remote_MTD, but get an error about not being able to connect to mysql server... AFAICT the frontend is not running nor does to need and mysql server |
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| [13:16:53] | dustybin: | ive put my TV onto widescreen mode, and put mythtv into 16:9 |
| [13:17:05] | dustybin: | why is there still black bars at the top and bottom of my screen? |
| [13:17:31] | PatrickDK: | widescreen != 16:9 |
| [13:17:52] | dustybin: | the only time it fills up the screen is if i select full |
| [13:18:08] | dustybin: | but then it misses the edges |
| [13:18:32] | dustybin: | my TV has these modes: widescreen, super-widescreen, 16:9 zoom |
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| [13:18:35] | dustybin: | what one should i use? |
| [13:19:21] | dustybin: | who ever invented widescreen TVs should of made the displays long and thin |
| [13:19:26] | dustybin: | so one doesnt get the black bars |
| [13:19:34] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [13:19:39] | PatrickDK: | that isn't the screens fault |
| [13:19:40] | dustybin: | it doesnt make any sense watching widescreen when you still have black bars |
| [13:20:01] | PatrickDK: | it's the aspect ratio of the movie vs the aspect ratio of the screen |
| [13:20:21] | dustybin: | they should of design widescreens to match the aspect ratio of the movies |
| [13:20:32] | PatrickDK: | moves are not recorded in 16:9 or 4:3 |
| [13:20:45] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: im watching normal live UK freeview |
| [13:21:10] | dustybin: | my TV is in widescreen mode |
| [13:21:23] | dustybin: | when i watch TV, with everything turned off, there are black bars |
| [13:21:43] | dustybin: | i can get rid of the black bars if i make mythtv use the full screen but then it misses edges |
| [13:22:00] | dustybin: | ...what is the point of widescreen? |
| [13:22:21] | PatrickDK: | on your tv? dunno |
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| [13:25:31] | ** justinh throws a clue into the channel ** | |
| [13:25:51] | puzzled: | hi |
| [13:26:46] | puzzled: | I have mythtv 0.21 from atrpms and the RC6 remote that comes with a Hauppage PVR-500. When watching tv the channel up/down buttons do nothing. Anyone have a hint where I should look to fix that? |
| [13:27:40] | dustybin: | puzzled: read the remote section of this guide: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-500 |
| [13:27:45] | dustybin: | maybe its the same remote? |
| [13:27:48] | DaveMorris: | hello. I'm using a Nova-t500 card along with 2 Nova-T cards in the same backend in the UK using the OTA EPG. It appears that if I have the Nova-T500 card setup on my backend then the backend will segfault every 24–36hrs. With "kernel: [1392289.060402] mythbackend[21454]: segfault at 000000b8 eip b65eef01 esp b4349160 error 4" however now I've disabled it in the backend, it's been running fine for 60hrs+. Anyone else have/seen this |
| [13:27:55] | dustybin: | justinh: what have you got your TV set to at home? |
| [13:27:56] | DaveMorris: | oh, on 0.21-fixes |
| [13:28:05] | puzzled: | dustybin: thanks I'll have a look |
| [13:28:24] | justinh: | dustybin: whatever-non-bastardised-not-stupid-mode |
| [13:29:00] | justinh: | all picture processing off, no zoom mode |
| [13:29:08] | dustybin: | justinh: if i put it in plain widescreen mode, when i watch tv, BBC1, ITV, there are black bars top and bottom? |
| [13:29:33] | DaveMorris: | dustybin: is your TV widescreen? |
| [13:29:34] | justinh: | hhah fuck knows |
| [13:29:51] | justinh: | dustybin: analogue TV ? |
| [13:29:52] | dustybin: | justinh: are you using full mode on mythtv? |
| [13:30:06] | dustybin: | justinh: yes, philips 24" widescreen CRT |
| [13:30:17] | justinh: | dustybin: no are you capturing analogue TV? |
| [13:30:27] | PatrickDK: | oh crt :( |
| [13:30:29] | dustybin: | no, i got a nova-t 500, digital |
| [13:30:33] | PatrickDK: | no overscan setup |
| [13:30:33] | justinh: | I know your TV is some shite phillips thing |
| [13:30:40] | dustybin: | yes |
| [13:31:07] | jduggan: | thats nice |
| [13:31:26] | dustybin: | justinh: i can fill up the screen with mythtv full screen mode |
| [13:31:33] | dustybin: | but then im missing the edges |
| [13:31:55] | dustybin: | surely that should be turned off, and my whole widescreen should still fill the display with no black bars |
| [13:32:19] | ** justinh runs X at 720x576 ** | |
| [13:32:26] | dustybin: | i do too |
| [13:32:36] | dustybin: | ill show you my modeline |
| [13:32:47] | kleetus: | anyone using a hdhomerun? |
| [13:32:49] | justinh: | when I upgraded I had to set myth up to use different modes for GUI & playback |
| [13:32:58] | dustybin: | ModeLine "720x576pali" 13.5 720 757 821 864 576 581 586 625 -hsync -vsync interlace |
| [13:33:02] | justinh: | playback mode is 720x576 @ 16x9 |
| [13:33:08] | justinh: | modeline has FA to do with it |
| [13:33:19] | dustybin: | i see |
| [13:33:32] | justinh: | tell myth the display is 16:9 or it'll assume it's the same as X says it is |
| [13:33:36] | PatrickDK: | personally, I see setting up crt's to be a pain |
| [13:34:10] | justinh: | personally if I ever see a flat panel that can compare to the contrast & colour rendition of a CRT I'll buy one when I can afford it! |
| [13:34:19] | dustybin: | ok ill have a fiddle |
| [13:34:23] | PatrickDK: | I have a crappy 24" lcd, and just run it at 1280x720 |
| [13:34:32] | justinh: | i.e. one that doesn't look totally *fake* |
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| [13:34:58] | PatrickDK: | justinh, they are a pain to setup though :( adjust the overscan and everything |
| [13:35:05] | justinh: | all TVs overscan |
| [13:35:16] | justinh: | and adjusting for overscan is a doddle nowadays thanks to me |
| [13:35:17] | PatrickDK: | my lcd isn't doing overscan |
| [13:35:17] | justinh: | :P |
| [13:35:43] | PatrickDK: | the edge of the picture stops at the edge of the screen |
| [13:35:52] | justinh: | same on my CRT now :D |
| [13:36:04] | justinh: | actually not having overscan on LCDs can be a BAD thing |
| [13:36:12] | justinh: | cos video doesn't always reach the edges |
| [13:36:42] | PatrickDK: | 90% of mine goes to the edges |
| [13:36:45] | PatrickDK: | livetv does |
| [13:36:52] | wagner: | my CRT doesn't noticeably overscan |
| [13:36:54] | PatrickDK: | now crappy torrent videos don't, but well |
| [13:37:12] | wagner: | the GUI and mythvideo seem to go to the edge, and no further |
| [13:37:28] | wagner: | but live tv from my tuner cards noticeably underscan |
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| [13:37:35] | wagner: | i havent gotten around to fixing that yet |
| [13:38:58] | justinh: | livetv? wtf is that?! |
| [13:39:15] | wagner: | ok.... anything from my tuner cards underscans |
| [13:39:30] | justinh: | even stuff from my digital tuners underscans |
| [13:39:39] | justinh: | usually the top few lines |
| [13:39:47] | justinh: | but I never see it |
| [13:39:50] | wagner: | my digital tuner doesn't seem to do it too bad |
| [13:39:55] | wagner: | i only miss a few lines |
| [13:40:00] | justinh: | it's not the *tuner* doing it |
| [13:40:06] | justinh: | the *broadcaster* is |
| [13:40:16] | wagner: | but my analog tuners lose a large chunk off the left side, and some off the right |
| [13:40:23] | wagner: | i realize its the cable company doing it |
| [13:40:29] | PatrickDK: | yuk |
| [13:40:35] | wagner: | ive just never bothered to compensate |
| [13:40:45] | justinh: | PatrickDK: how it's intended to be! |
| [13:41:18] | PatrickDK: | you shouldn't be lossing large chunks off the left and right |
| [13:41:22] | justinh: | overscan was invented so people could buy a T V& not feel short changed |
| [13:41:24] | wagner: | tvs overscan, so broadcasters underscan... makes complete sense, quality loss and all |
| [13:41:26] | PatrickDK: | I know you do on the top/bottom |
| [13:41:58] | justinh: | at least 5% of the picture area from all sides is assumed to be lost |
| [13:42:27] | justinh: | even HDTV producers take overscan into account |
| [13:45:40] | wagner: | actually, it seems I only lose a small chunk off the left side |
| [13:46:02] | wagner: | the internal player just underscans considerably, compared to mplayer and mythvideo which doesnt seem to do anything |
| [13:46:34] | justinh: | 'use gui size for video playback' may be the culprit there |
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| [13:47:39] | dustybin: | justinh: you are correct |
| [13:47:41] | kleetus: | i am looking for general techniques of finding out how to tweak my myth box...just got it up and running with hdhomerun, it works but the video is not great, used XvMC, but still not great, a bit grainy and not exactly fluid, can anyone assist |
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| [13:49:00] | dustybin: | kleetus: if you got the CPU power, dont use xvMC |
| [13:49:07] | kleetus: | dual core 2.6GHz, fx 5200 nvidia |
| [13:49:16] | kleetus: | 1 GB of ram |
| [13:49:16] | dustybin: | dont use xvmc, no need |
| [13:49:31] | kleetus: | dustybin: this video looks good, but very choppy |
| [13:49:36] | dustybin: | that should be the first improvement |
| [13:49:41] | kleetus: | dustybin: without using XvMC |
| [13:49:51] | dustybin: | yep turn that off |
| [13:50:24] | kleetus: | dustybin: maybe i need to tweak my xorg.conf, modelines to fix the choppy video when not using XvMC |
| [13:50:26] | dustybin: | kleetus: the next thing, make sure your X screen mode is the same as your TVs native res |
| [13:50:52] | kleetus: | dustybin: ah ok, my TV is a Dell 24" LCD |
| [13:50:59] | dustybin: | if its not the same, your TV will need to keep on scaling, causing delays and choppy video |
| [13:51:24] | kleetus: | dustybin: sorry, that was unclear, my TV is a computer monitor |
| [13:51:54] | dustybin: | kleetus: so your already using the native resolution of your monitor what is? |
| [13:52:05] | justinh: | oh great. 16:10 aspect ratios all round. niiice |
| [13:52:20] | kleetus: | dustybin: yeah, I am using 1900X1080A60 |
| [13:52:28] | kleetus: | dustybin: at 60Hz |
| [13:53:06] | dustybin: | kleetus: if the video is still choppy, try using a de-interlacer |
| [13:53:08] | kleetus: | dustybin: not sure if this is a hdhomerun thing or a X11 thing |
| [13:53:20] | dustybin: | im not sure what hdhomerun is |
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| [13:53:58] | adante: | howdy, where 'recording group' is supposed to be in myth web i get a 'Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/includes/recording_schedules.php, line 563: |
| [13:54:01] | adante: | mysql_fetch_row(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource' |
| [13:54:08] | kleetus: | dustybin: ok, it is 2 HD tuners that put the mpeg2 right onto your home network |
| [13:54:28] | adante: | anybody know what this is, and if it would explain why my system no longer records? |
| [13:54:35] | kleetus: | dustybin: i just use OTA mpeg2 |
| [13:55:21] | dustybin: | kleetus: try using a de-interlacer see if smooths out the video, try bob n weave |
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| [13:56:08] | kleetus: | dustybin: thanks that sounds good |
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| [14:18:01] | CrummyGummy: | Hi all, I want to redirect my X out the tv tuner. Is this possible? Please point me towards relevant docs. |
| [14:18:32] | CrummyGummy: | I'm running bttv0: Bt878 (rev 17) at 0000:00:09.0, irq: 18, latency: 32, mmio: 0xdfcfe000 |
| [14:18:48] | PatrickDK: | how the hell you you run X on a tv tuner? |
| [14:18:53] | PatrickDK: | tv tuner = input, X = output |
| [14:19:16] | iamlindoro_: | ^^^^ What he said, but I would have said it more sarcastically |
| [14:19:17] | CrummyGummy: | It looks like an in and an out. |
| [14:19:18] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [14:20:02] | PatrickDK: | well, bt878 is only input |
| [14:20:22] | iamlindoro_: | How does it "look" like an in and out? Because it has two coaxial ins? Including one probably labeled *cough* "FM?" |
| [14:20:45] | CrummyGummy: | Yeah, true. Then I need to run X out of the svideo |
| [14:20:59] | iamlindoro_: | Read our lips |
| [14:21:13] | iamlindoro_: | you CANNOT output x via that tv card |
| [14:21:19] | CrummyGummy: | Shyte, |
| [14:21:22] | iamlindoro_: | via any of its INPUTS |
| [14:21:42] | iamlindoro_: | and as it possesses no outputs.... I'd say you should invest in a decent video card |
| [14:21:53] | TelnetManta: | Anyone ever heard of anyone else getting a Motorola MOXI remote to work with Myth? |
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| [14:23:34] | CrummyGummy: | Crap, thats ruined my day... |
| [14:24:25] | PatrickDK: | oh the joys of sending raw video over pci |
| [14:24:32] | fn1: | these are cool |
| [14:24:32] | iamlindoro_: | Why would you think you could? You can no more do that than you can capture television via your graphics card's DVI port |
| [14:24:32] | fn1: | http://www.addonics.com/products/host_controller/ad5sahpm-e.asp |
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| [14:28:39] | TelnetManta: | LMAO @ inputs...... |
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| [14:32:31] | Lynet: | I suppose he could have a 350.. :-) |
| [14:32:39] | PatrickDK: | no he doesn't |
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| [14:32:50] | PatrickDK: | cause the 350 doesn't list as a pci bt878 device |
| [14:34:09] | Lynet: | Good point. Anyway, what combined tv-in+tv-out cards are there out there anyway? there's the 350 and I suppose some all-in-wonders have it (albeit I suspect not supported in Linux). |
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| [14:34:35] | dustybin: | ive used the screen wizard to get my mythtv to fit into my TV screen perfectly, however, when i watch TV there are random white / green lines what i shouldnt be seeing, is there a way to keep my mythtv size how it is, but make the video go slightly bigger so i cannot see those white lines? |
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| [14:35:42] | dustybin: | i could use the screen wizard to make everything bigger but that means the myth menus get cut off |
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| [14:35:51] | TelnetManta: | Anyone here in with the MythBuntu guys? |
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| [14:36:01] | TelnetManta: | that chan is dead today and I need to find a mirror |
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| [14:37:21] | TelnetManta: | NM, I found it! woohoo |
| [14:37:56] | dustybin: | i need some overscan, thats the word im looking for |
| [14:38:10] | dustybin: | im sure there is a bastard setting somewhere |
| [14:38:12] | ** dustybin looks ** | |
| [14:40:55] | dustybin: | i found it!!!! Scan Displacement |
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| [14:41:45] | CrummyGummy: | So back to my dumb questions. Do I need to buy a new tuner with tv-in (if there is such a thing) or a video card with a tv-out? |
| [14:42:33] | Lynet: | CrummyGummy: To get svideo out, you need a gfx card that supports it. |
| [14:43:27] | CrummyGummy: | thanks |
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| [15:04:32] | crow: | hi all, i am trying to get rid of black border on 1920x1080 (full hd) but no luck, i readed this forum topic http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7557 but when i enter aticonfig --query-dispattrib=tmds2 (I got) Query cup of monitor: tmds2 failed, someone here using ATI and LCD TV ? :) thnx |
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| [15:20:51] | r3z`: | Anyone play with mydthdora 5.0? |
| [15:30:31] | kslater: | not yet, but I intend to |
| [15:30:40] | kslater: | did they release the final version? |
| [15:30:57] | iamlindoro__: | yes, a few days ago |
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| [15:55:03] | r3z`: | I am curious how smooth the upgrade will go. |
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| [15:55:28] | kslater: | ditto that r3z` |
| [15:55:57] | r3z`: | My /storage is LVM and curious what will need to happen. Bleh I might just rebuild the entire box from scratch but I really dont want to. |
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| [15:56:32] | kslater: | one thing I can't lose is my recording history and rules for recordings |
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| [16:11:17] | phunguy: | hey all |
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| [16:12:17] | phunguy: | i keep getting compiling errors when myth tries to compile avformatdecoder |
| [16:15:32] | phunguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1003025 |
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| [16:17:56] | iamlindoro__: | I'll put my money on the ol' "Compiling MythTV trunk on a machine w/ an existing Myth install" compile fail |
| [16:18:51] | iamlindoro__: | namely compiling mythtv/QT4 + existing libmyth* in /usr/lib = tears |
| [16:19:17] | iamlindoro__: | likewise existing libav* from a recent ffmpeg install |
| [16:19:46] | saltedlight: | hi. anyone can give me some advices for this: |
| [16:19:46] | saltedlight: | * Unable to load LIRC kernel modules. Verify your |
| [16:19:46] | saltedlight: | * selected kernel modules in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf |
| [16:19:46] | saltedlight: | please? i'm using ubuntu 8.04 |
| [16:20:13] | phunguy: | iamlindoro__> negative |
| [16:20:18] | phunguy: | fresh install of trunk |
| [16:20:28] | phunguy: | no pre-existing |
| [16:20:41] | iamlindoro__: | phunguy, so you're telling me you don't have ffmpeg installed already, mmmmmmmmmm??? |
| [16:21:08] | phunguy: | dvb@hddvb:/usr/local/src/mythtv.cvs/mythtv.17178$ sudo find / -name ffmpeg |
| [16:21:09] | phunguy: | dvb@hddvb:/usr/local/src/mythtv.cvs/mythtv.17178$ |
| [16:21:13] | phunguy: | nothing :/ |
| [16:21:19] | phunguy: | i haven't installed any media stuff yet |
| [16:21:30] | phunguy: | other than my v4l drivers |
| [16:22:11] | phunguy: | i have a feeling my best bet it to go 0.21-stable |
| [16:22:23] | iamlindoro__: | why are you installing trunk, anyway? |
| [16:22:33] | iamlindoro__: | unless you have a darn good reason to do so, you shouldn't |
| [16:22:36] | phunguy: | just how i've done it in the past |
| [16:22:40] | iamlindoro__: | given its current state |
| [16:22:46] | phunguy: | so yeah... ^ not a darn good reason |
| [16:23:07] | phunguy: | okay... i'll play with stable |
| [16:23:13] | iamlindoro__: | probably your best bet |
| [16:23:25] | phunguy: | thx for the info |
| [16:23:37] | iamlindoro__: | np... I still think you have libavformat already installed, btw |
| [16:23:54] | iamlindoro__: | probably possible to install it on your distro w/o ffmpeg |
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| [16:24:31] | phunguy: | hrm |
| [16:24:50] | phunguy: | i'm using a pretty much fresh install of debian lenny |
| [16:24:53] | iamlindoro__: | for when trunk stabilizes and when you move back, that appears to be the source of most people's compile issues-- existing myth/ffmpeg/libavsomethingoranother being earlier in the include path than the stuff it should be finding in the source dir |
| [16:25:03] | phunguy: | recompiled kernel and v4l dvb drivers |
| [16:25:05] | phunguy: | thats about it |
| [16:25:20] | iamlindoro__: | so it happily chomps it up and you get errors exactly like yours-- |
| [16:25:21] | phunguy: | /usr/local/src/mythtv.cvs/mythtv.17178/libs/libavformat |
| [16:25:27] | phunguy: | only instance of said file found |
| [16:25:59] | phunguy: | good info tho |
| [16:26:02] | iamlindoro__: | phunguy, This is why the compile errors of this type are a pain in the butt-- could also be libavcodec, etc., etc. |
| [16:26:11] | phunguy: | i'll grab 0.21 and get started there |
| [16:26:16] | iamlindoro__: | since ffmpeg libraries are nice enough to break themselves up into 100000 seperate parts :) |
| [16:26:53] | iamlindoro__: | .21 should be a snap, though, build-dep and go |
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| [16:28:41] | phunguy: | iamlindoro__> what do you use mythtv for? |
| [16:29:22] | iamlindoro__: | phunguy, pretty much the same thing everyone else does :) DVR, media center, a convenient place to keep raunchy pornography |
| [16:29:50] | Penfold: | *smirk*( |
| [16:29:52] | xris: | For anyone interested, I just created a MythTV group at linkedin.com. Click the logo at the bottom of my profile to join: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ibexris |
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| [16:30:48] | ** Penfold signs up :) ** | |
| [16:32:13] | phunguy: | iamlindoro__> i've never really explored the media centre part or anything ... i've only ever used myth for DVB |
| [16:32:28] | phunguy: | so there will probably be a lot more i like about it |
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| [16:32:57] | phunguy: | currently i use VDR for dvb, however, i have a new dvb module that does 8psk so i'm going to try it with dishnetwork's HD |
| [16:34:29] | iamlindoro__: | Myth's DVR functionality is IMO it's greatest strength, and the web interface is probably the best one going... The other functionality is at least decent across the board and always improving. |
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| [16:37:51] | schreiaa: | Hello. I have a question. |
| [16:39:12] | phunguy: | go ahead |
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| [16:39:58] | iamlindoro__: | No, that's all he's giving us. If you can't answer based on that then he wants to speak to a supervisor. ;) |
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| [16:41:10] | schreiaa: | I tried starting MythTV, and got a good way through the setup at the beginning when KDE reset on me. |
| [16:41:21] | schreiaa: | Is there any known bug that does this? |
| [16:41:42] | iamlindoro__: | Nope, myth can't kill X, it's usually related to your video card/drivers |
| [16:41:56] | xris: | iamlindoro: where were you when that guy was here yesterday saying that mythweb looked horrid? :) |
| [16:42:09] | schreiaa: | Still downloading it. |
| [16:42:26] | iamlindoro__: | xris, heh, well what the hell does he know, I like it |
| [16:45:22] | Penfold: | Do Hauppaguge actuially still make the PVR-150? I can't get one new round here for love or money. |
| [16:45:56] | iamlindoro__: | You can still pick them up through newegg and stuff, and they may actually still make them in limited amounts, but they're mostly moving to HVR-1600s, which are now supported |
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| [17:02:05] | xris: | even easier one-click link to join the linkedin group: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/96734/7263542DA680 |
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| [17:07:29] | GreyFoxx: | omg...stargateworlds.com .... I might actually setup a gaming system for the first time in years |
| [17:10:15] | iamlindoro__: | I didn't even like SG-1 and that still looks cool... |
| [17:10:44] | GreyFoxx: | I'm a huge stargate fan, huge |
| [17:10:45] | Hoxzer: | I didn't even lkike SG-Atlantis |
| [17:11:38] | Penfold: | iamlindoro__: HVR-1600 seems rather US-centric, which I'm not ;) |
| [17:11:40] | GreyFoxx: | now if they do up the Farscape webisodes I'll be a happy camper this summer |
| [17:11:42] | kormoc: | Hoxzer, jewel staite, nuff said |
| [17:13:58] | Hoxzer: | I would love to see mmorpg being more FPS-type. It sucks that it isn't really possible to avoid being hit by a arrow. |
| [17:14:41] | iamlindoro__: | Penfold, you would probably be better server by a PVR-USB2 then |
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| [17:14:51] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Mmmmm, Jewel Staite is always good news |
| [17:16:17] | ** Penfold nods. Trawling ebay to see what's around. All the UK computer stores are fixating on the Nova series, which don't have hardware MPEG2, and often don't have S-Video/Composite in, either :( ** | |
| [17:17:10] | mishehu: | hi folks. trying to build mythtv 0.21 and 0.21 fixes svn on slamd64. this box has gcc 3.4.6. I'm getting an error on channelbase.cpp:70: instantiated from here, regarding stl_algo.h:314: error: no matching function for call to `__iterator_category(QValueListIterator<QString>&) |
| [17:17:53] | iamlindoro__: | Looks like the Hd-PVR got its final plastics and a blue LED: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html |
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| [17:18:38] | iamlindoro__: | Which makes it off-limits for my bedroom if I don't want to go insane :) |
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| [17:19:33] | mishehu: | iamlindoro__: you could always use duct tape |
| [17:20:24] | Penfold: | iamlindoro__: that's more than just A blue LED. |
| [17:20:46] | iamlindoro__: | It's several Blue LEDs, but they're still just Blue LEDs |
| [17:21:13] | Frosty-: | its a tardis, inside its a computer the size of a room |
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| [17:21:58] | Frosty-: | only 1080i :/ |
| [17:22:05] | ** iamlindoro__ prepares "Police Public Call Box" label for his precioussssssss ** | |
| [17:22:47] | iamlindoro__: | Frosty-, given the alternative for more people of capturing 480, and given television only goes up to 1080i, there's not much to complain about |
| [17:22:57] | iamlindoro__: | er for most people |
| [17:23:21] | Penfold: | oh... thanks a BUNCH Hauppauge |
| [17:24:08] | mishehu: | iamlindoro__: you forget, smeagol always refers to himself in the plural. ;-) |
| [17:24:37] | iamlindoro__: | mishehu, I never liked LOTR |
| [17:24:43] | ** Penfold is tempted by a 4000, but UK Sky's non-free channels won't play on it. ** | |
| [17:24:55] | phunguy: | LOTR is ghey |
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| [17:25:04] | phunguy: | the only trilogy is StarWars |
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| [17:25:18] | mishehu: | iamlindoro__: it was entertaining, kinda like chewing gum for the eyes. |
| [17:25:24] | mishehu: | had no other redeeming value to it. |
| [17:25:29] | phunguy: | hah |
| [17:25:43] | mishehu: | even star wars episode III had more redeeming qualities to it... |
| [17:26:07] | phunguy: | iamlindoro__> i think you were right... compiling 0.21 and no errors so far |
| [17:26:29] | mishehu: | phunguy: I assume you mean the original trilogy – episodes IV thru VI. |
| [17:26:37] | iamlindoro__: | phunguy, Good news |
| [17:26:53] | kleetus: | i am having a problem with "dropping frame to catch up" with a 30% loaded CPU and no deinterlacing going on..what could this be? |
| [17:26:54] | mishehu: | anybody know why I'm having stl_algo.h bitching at me when building 0.21 on gcc 3.4.6? |
| [17:27:19] | mishehu: | the ony thing that google pulls up about it is for somebody who tried to build against uclib, but this is slamd64, so it's not uclib. |
| [17:27:39] | iamlindoro__: | kleetus, I have seen similar problems solved by toggling the aggressive audio buffering settings |
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| [17:28:05] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: cool |
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| [17:31:53] | iamlindoro__: | kleetus, May also want to make sure "use video as timebase" is off, have seen weird stuff happen with that |
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| [17:33:02] | justinh: | Penfold: I dunno where you get your info from but for DVB you don't need mpeg encoding in hardware. all the streams are *already* encoded |
| [17:33:43] | Penfold: | justinh: and I'm not doing DVB :) |
| [17:33:57] | justinh: | just get a pvr150 then |
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| [17:34:30] | Penfold: | see previous complaint. getting 'em new in the UK is a pig – I just spent the whole afternoon trying :) Back to ebay :) |
| [17:34:30] | justinh: | scan.co.uk are still selling them |
| [17:35:13] | justinh: | you'll still need a Sky STB of course. and some means of changing channels on the Sky box like an IR blaster |
| [17:35:36] | kormoc: | microsoft mce usb remote is awesome as an ir blaster and as a remote |
| [17:35:40] | justinh: | if I were you I'd question whether or not it'd actually be worth going to all the hassle just for a few samey rip-off channels |
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| [17:37:29] | justinh: | it's worth noting at this point that the *only* way you can legally get Sky into mythtv is via a set top box. you can't get a DVB-S card with CI slot & add a CAM .. mostly because no legitimate CAM is available for Sky |
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| [17:37:59] | justinh: | and the new hauppauge hd-pvr is worth squat to UK folks cos Sky are disabling the ocmponent output on their boxes soon :D |
| [17:38:17] | AndyCap_: | justinh: hdmi+hdcp only? |
| [17:38:21] | justinh: | yup |
| [17:38:23] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: yeah i turned off both video as a timebase and agressive sound card buffering with no affect |
| [17:38:38] | justinh: | oh how I laughed when I read that! :D |
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| [17:38:47] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: effect, I mean, bad engrish |
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| [17:39:31] | justinh: | if you want a HD PVR that works with Sky in the UK you have to get it from Sky & put up with unreliability, bugs & £50 engineer callouts. meh |
| [17:39:31] | iamlindoro__: | kleetus, hmmm, weird... I also seem to recall an open ticket that might be relevant to that... might want to search trac |
| [17:39:47] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: good thinking |
| [17:41:01] | Penfold: | justinh: except that those samey ripoff channels happen to be the ones that keep my wife sane :) |
| [17:41:03] | iamlindoro__: | kleetus, you're not playing w/ any sort of timestretch, are you? think there are some known issues w/ that |
| [17:41:31] | justinh: | Penfold: just get Sky+ & have done with it then |
| [17:41:48] | justinh: | using Sky through mythtv would be a horrendous experience |
| [17:42:03] | Penfold: | well, we'll find out by the end of the weekend, with a bit of luck. |
| [17:42:05] | justinh: | at least it would be the way an at-home-all-day wifey would use it |
| [17:42:18] | Penfold: | Thank you for the opinionated advice, I'm sure. |
| [17:42:27] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: i am not sure what that is, so probably not |
| [17:42:30] | justinh: | I'm an advocate of mythtv! |
| [17:42:45] | justinh: | I just wouldn't recommend using it with Sky – by the time you add up all the lag.. eew |
| [17:42:53] | Penfold: | since my wife happens to be a professional veterary surgeon and qualified computer admin, I'm sure she's capable of operating a mythtv box. |
| [17:42:55] | iamlindoro__: | kleetus, Is this a digital tuner? |
| [17:43:10] | iamlindoro__: | (ie, AC3 audio?) |
| [17:43:18] | justinh: | Penfold: channel grazing is pretty much out of the question but that's fine cos mythtv isn't all about that |
| [17:43:32] | justinh: | if you just watch stuff 'live' there's very little point in even having mythtv |
| [17:43:43] | Penfold: | given the only LIVE TV we watch between us is sport, not an issue. |
| [17:43:56] | justinh: | well, good luck with that |
| [17:44:00] | Penfold: | Are you done making assumptions? |
| [17:44:07] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: yeah this is a hdhomerun |
| [17:44:11] | iamlindoro__: | kleetus, Appears the discussions I had in mind were from the dev list rather than from trac, take a look at this: http://www.nabble.com/ac3-audio-problems-0.21 . . . 0s15552.html |
| [17:44:15] | justinh: | ffs chill out man |
| [17:44:19] | justinh: | christ on a bike! |
| [17:44:41] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: i was just looking at this post |
| [17:44:45] | Penfold: | You've just told me you apparently know exactly how I use TV at home, and suggested my wife's a stay at home ditz. I should chill for why? |
| [17:45:14] | justinh: | I love the internet, especially IRC |
| [17:45:23] | justinh: | you meet all kinds of arseholes |
| [17:45:27] | Penfold: | Don;t you just. |
| [17:45:37] | justinh: | well, better get back to my non-theme non-development non-work |
| [17:46:18] | phunguy: | rofl |
| [17:46:21] | justinh: | maybe I'm just trying to get a permanent ban, I dunno |
| [17:46:45] | phunguy: | myth takes forever to compile the first time around :/ |
| [17:47:14] | phunguy: | i'm compiling it on a amd 5000+ w/ 4gb ocz 800mhz ram |
| [17:47:18] | justinh: | forever? not on a core2 duo it doesn't. 'forever' even on a shitty athlon 800 is only bout 2 hours |
| [17:47:55] | phunguy: | justinh> how long does it take to compile w/o ccache on a c2d? |
| [17:48:18] | justinh: | less time than it took to go downstairs, boil the kettle & make a cup of coffee |
| [17:48:32] | phunguy: | how big of a kettle :P? |
| [17:48:47] | justinh: | and have a cig |
| [17:48:49] | phunguy: | this is your very initial compile? |
| [17:48:53] | justinh: | yeah |
| [17:48:59] | justinh: | no ccache |
| [17:49:04] | phunguy: | nice |
| [17:49:08] | justinh: | was something about 10 minutes or so |
| [17:49:54] | justinh: | mind you that was _just_ mythtv, not the plugins.. and by 'just mythtv' I mean the system wasn't using gentoo |
| [17:49:55] | phunguy: | i'm sitting at about 25 minutes... i guess it seems so long cause i'm starin at the screen waiting lol |
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| [17:50:12] | phunguy: | done |
| [17:50:15] | phunguy: | lol just finsihed |
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| [17:52:28] | phunguy: | does the plugins take longer to compile? |
| [17:52:32] | justinh: | nah |
| [17:52:41] | justinh: | though it depends on what you enable, of course |
| [17:52:50] | justinh: | mythbrowser can add a lot |
| [17:52:51] | phunguy: | i left everything default |
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| [17:53:32] | justinh: | never seen any point in mythbrowser what so ever, so never enable it |
| [17:54:01] | phunguy: | ./configure --disable-mythbrowser |
| [17:54:02] | phunguy: | ? |
| [17:54:38] | justinh: | ./configure --enable-all --disable-mythbrowser --disable-mythnews --disable-mythzoneminder (yada yada yada) |
| [17:54:57] | justinh: | only really use mythmusic & mythvideo really |
| [17:55:13] | phunguy: | what else you use myth for? |
| [17:55:23] | justinh: | watching recordings |
| [17:55:35] | phunguy: | don't use it for satellite or cable or anything? |
| [17:55:43] | justinh: | nope |
| [17:56:07] | phunguy: | i'm building up an HD satellite stb right now.. chose myth |
| [17:56:15] | phunguy: | i've used it in the past for SD satellite |
| [17:56:20] | justinh: | used to use it for cable then did some digging & realised I was paying £30 a month tfor channels I was only using for 2 shows a week – at most |
| [17:56:26] | phunguy: | but prefered VDR over it |
| [17:57:01] | justinh: | mythbusters & south park – hardly worth £3 a month let alone £30 |
| [17:57:11] | phunguy: | lol |
| [17:57:17] | phunguy: | where in UK are u |
| [17:57:23] | justinh: | manchester |
| [17:57:31] | phunguy: | you a united fan? |
| [17:57:35] | justinh: | fuck off! |
| [17:57:39] | phunguy: | lol |
| [17:57:45] | phunguy: | take that as a yes? |
| [17:57:48] | justinh: | no Man U fans are from manchester! |
| [17:57:50] | phunguy: | man city fan |
| [17:57:52] | stoth: | come on you reds! |
| [17:57:59] | ** justinh hates football ** | |
| [17:58:03] | phunguy: | i see |
| [17:58:35] | phunguy: | it doesn't get much attention where i'm at... mostly the people who are from europe that live here are the ones that follow lol |
| [17:59:03] | justinh: | gets way too much attention over here IMHO |
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| [18:07:08] | AndyCap_: | justinh: people need something to pass the time after you got out of the empire building business, and cricket doesn't really satisfy the violent urges. |
| [18:11:15] | TelnetManta: | justinh: you are the guy who knows how to make themes, right? |
| [18:11:25] | TelnetManta: | have a quick question.. |
| [18:11:33] | TelnetManta: | If you are the guy that is |
| [18:11:55] | justinh: | I'm not that guy |
| [18:12:02] | TelnetManta: | bummer |
| [18:12:09] | TelnetManta: | well Ill ask anyways, maybe someone will know |
| [18:12:11] | justinh: | getting out of the game included helping |
| [18:12:43] | TelnetManta: | Just wondering if it was technically possible with myth to make aninterface similar to the Motorola MOXI? |
| [18:13:03] | TelnetManta: | I loke the scrolling interface, very slick. If it seemed possible I thought about giving it a try. |
| [18:13:20] | justinh: | can I just get something straight with folks please? |
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| [18:13:33] | ** beandog hands the mic to justinh ** | |
| [18:13:50] | justinh: | if such cool, slick, smooth scrolling, effects-laded themes were even possible – don't you think somebody would've done one or two by now?! |
| [18:13:50] | TelnetManta: | oh boy. |
| [18:14:20] | justinh: | the current themes available to you are pushing the GUI engine to within an inch of its life |
| [18:14:25] | TelnetManta: | never know. Thats why I asked if it were possible |
| [18:14:58] | justinh: | thankfully mythui is going to change a lot of stuff but don't hold your breath waiting for anybody to make themes for it |
| [18:15:33] | justinh: | hmm lemme think. do I want the button list to move smoothly or clunk around? ;) |
| [18:16:11] | justinh: | course there's always the possibility that all the theme designers are just lazy.. pfft! |
| [18:16:15] | bipolar: | hahaha |
| [18:16:58] | bipolar: | hell with fancy themes... I just want Miro integration :P |
| [18:17:05] | ** bipolar gets to work on that in his spare time ** | |
| [18:17:22] | justinh: | are there any screenshots/videos of this MOXI thing around then? |
| [18:17:28] | iamlindoro__: | http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20070627/dig . . . _540x303.JPG |
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| [18:17:54] | iamlindoro__: | Miro integration, huh? So Myth can automatically download videos of ninjas answering questions? |
| [18:18:03] | bipolar: | heh |
| [18:18:12] | bipolar: | I don't have cable.... canceled the crap |
| [18:18:20] | iamlindoro__: | ninjas for you then! |
| [18:18:33] | bipolar: | that would be rough... since I'm a pirate |
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| [18:18:49] | bipolar: | I think there is a self-help group for that.... |
| [18:19:18] | justinh: | eew that moxi thing looks a bit gash |
| [18:19:55] | bipolar: | too bad miro is written in gtk |
| [18:19:56] | justinh: | what happened to _programme_ based guides? couldn't give a **** about what channel stuff is on |
| [18:20:16] | iamlindoro__: | aw, c'mon, we can call it BRANDING-wide |
| [18:20:21] | justinh: | lol |
| [18:20:48] | justinh: | cable companies in league with channels... a tight combination if there ever was one |
| [18:21:07] | justinh: | 12 word description field too – snazzy! |
| [18:21:15] | iamlindoro__: | not as distressing as Oil companies + US Government, believe me |
| [18:21:31] | AndyCap_: | justinh: can't spoil the suspense of his allergies |
| [18:21:52] | justinh: | AndyCap_: rofl |
| [18:22:24] | justinh: | anyway – as for why I've been an utter c*** tonight.. I've no idea |
| [18:22:37] | AndyCap_: | maybe it's that time of the month |
| [18:22:54] | justinh: | maybe since I cut down on my IRC, the c*** is making up for lost time.. |
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| [18:23:57] | justinh: | seriously though, is that kind of UI what floats people's boats? just because it flies around & looks blingy? |
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| [18:24:21] | justinh: | I think I'd prefer even Elisa over that :P |
| [18:24:34] | Penfold: | Sky+'s UI doesn't, and it seems to satisfy most folks. Mind you, most Myth themes look better than that. |
| [18:25:52] | justinh: | TelnetManta: anyway, no – and not only because smooth scrolling is impossible. the UI is very limited to the kind of structures you can use right now. even under mythui it's probably not gonna be opened up _that_ much |
| [18:26:17] | TelnetManta: | justinh: thanks :) |
| [18:26:40] | ** AndyCap_ is still waiting for the optimization offered by US patent application #20060070095 ** | |
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| [18:27:55] | AndyCap: | Namely the "Apparatus and method for preventing switching from a channel during an advertisement display" |
| [18:28:42] | justinh: | TelnetManta: I wouldn't mind seeing different kinds of EPG views being possible though – all with smooth scrolling. they'll come |
| [18:28:56] | justinh: | AndyCap: yeah – we could sure use the flag they'd need for that! |
| [18:29:06] | AndyCap: | justinh: would be very handy. |
| [18:29:13] | TelnetManta: | justinh: Have you seen the MOXI interface? I'll see if I can find a vidif not |
| [18:29:18] | justinh: | awooga! awooga! advert! |
| [18:29:25] | AndyCap: | but of course the optimization would be 1 channel with advertisment 24/7u |
| [18:29:28] | justinh: | TelnetManta: this? http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20070627/dig . . . _540x303.JPG |
| [18:29:49] | TelnetManta: | yeah thats it |
| [18:30:26] | AndyCap: | Somehow phillips backpedaling doesn't quite match the description in the application |
| [18:30:53] | justinh: | http://youtube.com/watch?v=hQI6nRIvIk8 |
| [18:31:10] | dustybin: | justinh: my TV displays widescreen perfectly now |
| [18:31:44] | iamlindoro__: | mmmmm, love all the sweet sweet "Please Wait" |
| [18:31:52] | justinh: | is that for real?! |
| [18:31:52] | iamlindoro__: | and the empty EPG |
| [18:32:17] | justinh: | yeah we can emulate that! |
| [18:32:18] | dustybin: | iamlindoro__: sounds like SKY |
| [18:32:27] | justinh: | usleep 100000000000000000 |
| [18:32:29] | justinh: | usleep 100000000000000000 |
| [18:32:30] | justinh: | usleep 100000000000000000 |
| [18:32:42] | iamlindoro__: | haha |
| [18:32:47] | iamlindoro__: | dustybin, Really? ewwwwww |
| [18:32:53] | ** dustybin wonders when mythtv will be on par with SKY+ stability ** | |
| [18:32:59] | justinh: | Qtext ("loading/waiting/whatever"); |
| [18:33:02] | iamlindoro__: | when you take a hammer to it? |
| [18:33:10] | dustybin: | :P |
| [18:34:56] | iamlindoro__: | Actually, I'll make an admission-- I am a long-time Myth user who has never installed a myth-specific distro... Did a clean install of Mythbuntu last night for fun and wanted to note that I think it's unbelievably well done, and give props in public |
| [18:35:11] | iamlindoro__: | And it only reinforces my derision of people who have trouble with something *that* well done |
| [18:35:42] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro__: Im installing it now as well, wanted to see its new theme |
| [18:36:48] | iamlindoro__: | TelnetManta, lots of little touches that saved me time setting them up. Probably had the box up and recording from cd drop-in to watching Tv in under an hour |
| [18:37:29] | iamlindoro__: | Granted, all my hardware was known good Myth stuff, and I know what I'm doing, but it's hard to see how anyone could have much trouble if they just read the menus |
| [18:37:54] | TelnetManta: | Im so used to BlooTube that I dont know how I'll like the black interface but wanted to see it in person before judging |
| [18:38:06] | TelnetManta: | havent found a better one than blootube-wide |
| [18:38:10] | iamlindoro__: | ah well, you've have 'em all in there if you don't like it |
| [18:38:12] | ** justinh laughs ** | |
| [18:38:18] | GreyFoxx: | iam: I think the hardware choices are the main thing |
| [18:38:49] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, definitely true, was just very impressed by the little touches I guess |
| [18:38:49] | justinh: | seriously though – are all USA cable boxes that slow & crap? Hell they make even Virgin Media boxes look blindingly fast! |
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| [18:40:01] | iamlindoro__: | Hahah, Fox News thought the Lincoln Douglas debates were between Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.... |
| [18:40:28] | iamlindoro__: | for those not into US history, It was Steven douglas... Frederick Douglas was a famous freed slave... what would he and Lincoln have had to debate? |
| [18:40:38] | iamlindoro__: | I weep for our youth |
| [18:41:11] | iamlindoro__: | Best comment so far: "At least they didn't think it was *Michael* Douglas." |
| [18:41:19] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: naw it's ok. they'll never know |
| [18:41:30] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: good catch on that....stephen was, in fact, a candidte for the 16th president |
| [18:42:12] | justinh: | anyway – it's a good thing all those cable boxes ARE so dud.. if they'd been anything like perfect there might never have been mythtv :D |
| [18:42:20] | Penfold: | iamlindoro__: there are probably folks who thinjk Kirk Douglas is old enough to be a contenporary of Lincoln :) |
| [18:42:21] | iamlindoro__: | kleetus, What's more, they made up a *graphic* of Lincoln v. Frederick Douglass |
| [18:42:42] | justinh: | gotta love NewsCorp |
| [18:42:45] | iamlindoro__: | http://cache.wonkette.com/assets/resources/20 . . . douglass.jpg |
| [18:42:54] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: wow that is bad..Frederick was a black man, did they show this? |
| [18:43:06] | iamlindoro__: | kleetus, He's still black in the picture, hahahaha |
| [18:43:13] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: it's alright. chill out. we'll have somebody from the Ministry of Truth correct the history books |
| [18:43:21] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: that is the funniest thing i have seen all day |
| [18:44:24] | justinh: | dustybin: my mythbox's tuner #1 was doing a fine impression of Sky+ last night |
| [18:44:24] | iamlindoro__: | 76% of american college students couldn't answer when we declared independence within a *decade*, so I have little hope |
| [18:44:44] | dustybin: | justinh: odd? |
| [18:45:01] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: that stat is irony in itself! |
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| [18:45:07] | kleetus: | 76% |
| [18:45:10] | GreyFoxx: | iam.... 1776 ? |
| [18:45:13] | iamlindoro__: | kleetus, True that |
| [18:45:15] | justinh: | dustybin: over heating or something. powered down, upsetting 160+ days of utpime to clean out fans & move the tuners away from one another |
| [18:45:16] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, on the nose |
| [18:45:21] | GreyFoxx: | hah! |
| [18:45:27] | iamlindoro__: | Maybe I'll move the France when the US becomes Thunderdome |
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| [18:45:39] | iamlindoro__: | er move to |
| [18:45:45] | kleetus: | iamlindoro__: i am compiling myth svn. just to see about this bug |
| [18:45:47] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro__: UK |
| [18:45:53] | TelnetManta: | thats my plan |
| [18:45:56] | justinh: | jesus don't move here! |
| [18:46:02] | TelnetManta: | lol |
| [18:46:11] | justinh: | you think it's better here than in the US? |
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| [18:46:23] | TelnetManta: | U secretly wish I were from there. |
| [18:46:24] | justinh: | we pay more for everything than you guys ever will |
| [18:46:28] | iamlindoro__: | My family's in France, I'll just sit on the beach and get ripped |
| [18:46:38] | TelnetManta: | erm I |
| [18:46:39] | kleetus: | i been to most all countries..i still like it in the west |
| [18:47:23] | GreyFoxx: | If I was gonna move away from North America it would be South of France/Mediterranean or Australia |
| [18:47:35] | iamlindoro__: | Oooh, .au would be good too |
| [18:47:46] | GreyFoxx: | I lived there for a year and would go back in a heart beat |
| [18:47:47] | kleetus: | GreyFoxx: Australia is nice...just went last year |
| [18:48:03] | GreyFoxx: | and they love Canadians so it works for me :) |
| [18:48:08] | kleetus: | I need to go to WA though |
| [18:48:19] | GreyFoxx: | I lived in Perth back in '96 |
| [18:48:39] | kleetus: | GreyFoxx: nice...I was there in 1994 |
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| [18:48:42] | TalibJayid: | hi friends |
| [18:48:42] | GreyFoxx: | It was as far from home as I could go without coming back on the other side :) |
| [18:48:48] | kleetus: | Fremantle, though |
| [18:48:57] | TalibJayid: | what do you put for mixer device if using alsa:default for output device? |
| [18:49:01] | GreyFoxx: | Spent many nights in fremantle |
| [18:49:07] | TalibJayid: | are both ALSA:default? |
| [18:49:09] | GreyFoxx: | drinking, and days at the beach |
| [18:49:39] | TalibJayid: | oh just default |
| [18:49:44] | kleetus: | i have had many a pint of VB |
| [18:49:44] | dustybin: | TalibJayid: my mixer device is set to something like Alsa:ICE |
| [18:51:39] | TalibJayid: | thanks |
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| [18:55:42] | keith4: | any chance of decent HD playback on the apple TV? http://www.tuaw.com/2008/04/30/apple-tv-linux-bootloader/ |
| [18:56:13] | justinh: | bwahahahahahaha |
| [18:56:23] | kleetus: | keith4: people have expressed success with 1080i on apple TV |
| [18:56:43] | justinh: | 1080i mpeg2 I might as well add |
| [19:00:03] | keith4: | interesting |
| [19:00:04] | dustybin: | those apple TVs use nvidia cards! |
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| [19:00:14] | keith4: | apparently, yes |
| [19:00:14] | justinh: | chips, not cards |
| [19:00:19] | dustybin: | none of that intel rubbish |
| [19:00:26] | justinh: | roflmao |
| [19:00:29] | dustybin: | :P |
| [19:00:45] | justinh: | none of that stuff where they're gonna be the first to get proper open source video acceleration |
| [19:00:54] | iamlindoro__: | That rubbish is about 10x more likely to ever get h.264 hw accel in linux |
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| [19:01:00] | iamlindoro__: | ooh, jinx |
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| [20:09:39] | PatrickDK: | no one talked for an whole hour? how evil |
| [20:10:07] | keith4: | we were going for 2, but you ruined it |
| [20:11:05] | PatrickDK: | glad I could help |
| [20:11:30] | Frosty-: | we were talking, just behind your back |
| [20:11:41] | Frosty-: | #mythtv-users.without-keith4 |
| [20:11:50] | keith4: | awww |
| [20:11:58] | keith4: | SAD FACE |
| [20:12:48] | Frosty-: | fkin EIT and the broadcasters copy and pasting old descriptions |
| [20:12:56] | Frosty-: | damn them to hell |
| [20:14:05] | Frosty-: | If I were to complain to a broadcaster about their EIT descriptions having old episode content, I can't say "Please sort out your EIT", the customer support would probably have no idea :/ what would I say? |
| [20:16:33] | PatrickDK: | they actually have customer support? |
| [20:18:50] | Frosty-: | they have a complaints process, must have someone there |
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| [20:22:38] | Dagmar: | Send it to them anyway and let them figure it out |
| [20:22:50] | Dagmar: | If their support people don't actually know what the hell the company is doing, that's ALSO a problem for them. |
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| [20:30:11] | orko: | hi. i am using the myth packages from debian.multimedia.org. the mytharchive package there depends on the mythbackend. |
| [20:30:26] | orko: | Is the backend really needed on the same machine as mytharchive? |
| [20:31:09] | iamlindoro__: | No. |
| [20:32:40] | cal_: | so... my gf wants to watch videos from mythweb but i dont want her to have access toall the settings available on there too. are there any kind of access levels that can be set up? |
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| [20:33:29] | iamlindoro__: | you can give her a seperate login w/ its own set of theme xml files in ~/.mythtv and remove the offending options from them |
| [20:34:13] | iamlindoro__: | oh, sorry, mythweb |
| [20:34:18] | iamlindoro__: | my mistake for reading too quickly |
| [20:34:23] | iamlindoro__: | nope, just one level in mythweb |
| [20:35:04] | cal_: | hmm |
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| [20:37:14] | Dagmar: | Just set a PIN on the configuration menus |
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| [20:42:49] | orko: | i read alot about this ICEAuthority file. but i could not find any explaination why it is created. what is the content. what is it used for? |
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| [20:43:43] | cal_: | i guess i will try hacking the mythweb pages and removing stuff |
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| [20:47:39] | iamlindoro__: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1201183&postcount=2 |
| [20:49:43] | cal_: | is that for him or me lol |
| [20:50:12] | iamlindoro__: | When both of you read it you'll both know the answer ;) |
| [20:50:20] | keith4: | cal_: you have some options, other than mythweb |
| [20:50:21] | orko: | iamlindoro__: basic security and function for what?? for the kernel or for X or what. That is what i dont understand |
| [20:50:25] | keith4: | you could use a upnpclient |
| [20:51:10] | iamlindoro__: | for X. Having a busted ICEAuthority doesn't prevent you from logging in normally, but it does prevent you from logging in via X |
| [20:51:53] | iamlindoro__: | Read the full thread for further discussion, but it's probably discussion better suited to #yourdistro |
| [20:51:57] | orko: | iamlindoro__: and it seems to make trouble in myytharchive |
| [20:52:17] | iamlindoro__: | orko, Where would you get that idea? |
| [20:53:42] | iamlindoro__: | ah, google knows... weird. |
| [20:54:04] | orko: | iamlindoro__: i searched on goolge because mytharchive did not work. and many say to delet ICEauthrity.now it works |
| [20:54:30] | orko: | also the log file of mytharchive contains some ICQAUthority message |
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| [20:59:55] | cal_: | keith: true, i will have to play with that. does it give a nice list of all reacorded shows within a upnp client, descriptions, titles, recorded times, etc? |
| [21:00:18] | keith4: | not sure |
| [21:00:35] | keith4: | i *think* even WMP can talk to mythbackend |
| [21:00:36] | cal_: | i tried it with my xbox360 pnp client, couldnt get it to work |
| [21:00:46] | keith4: | I can get the PS3 upnp to talk to it |
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| [21:01:07] | keith4: | it wouldn't decode the audio from my digital tuner, last time I tried though |
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| [21:01:45] | orko: | Does anybody of you use a internet radio like noxon2 or similar with mythtv? |
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| [21:09:42] | GreyFoxx: | keith: I think they fixed that |
| [21:10:31] | GreyFoxx: | cal: the 360 client only sees the videos from mythvideo if they are available on the backend to serve |
| [21:10:33] | GreyFoxx: | not recordings |
| [21:10:40] | ** GreyFoxx heads out ** | |
| [21:10:45] | Dagmar: | 360 client? |
| [21:10:51] | Dagmar: | What are you using on a 360? |
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| [21:11:11] | GreyFoxx: | the 360's video component can be used with the mythbackend upnp server |
| [21:11:19] | GreyFoxx: | assuming the content is available on the backend to serve |
| [21:11:20] | Dagmar: | Normal, unmodded? |
| [21:11:23] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [21:11:28] | GreyFoxx: | I added that back around xmas |
| [21:11:32] | Dagmar: | OKay. It must be hidden in the damn menus somewhere then |
| [21:11:55] | ** GreyFoxx has to run ** | |
| [21:11:58] | GreyFoxx: | *gone* |
| [21:12:11] | Dagmar: | I got a 360 this weekend (for GTA4) and I'm about to take it back and get a PS3 instead, but it stubbornly refused to show me anything that looked like it might be seeing my backend |
| [21:15:49] | stoth: | Dagmar: Will the ps3? |
| [21:16:03] | stoth: | Dagmar: Or is that your speculation? |
| [21:16:15] | Dagmar: | I'm buying the thing to play GTA4 with my peeps on. |
| [21:16:27] | Dagmar: | If it can access outside media, then great. If it can't, it's no big deal. |
| [21:16:35] | iamlindoro__: | And your friends all have PS3 instead? |
| [21:16:59] | stoth: | Dagmar: I thought you said you were going to take it back (the 360 I assume) |
| [21:17:02] | iamlindoro__: | (not being sarcastic, just know that the multiplayer isn't cross-platform) |
| [21:17:58] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Yep |
| [21:18:22] | Dagmar: | I was mainly thinking something might have been wrong with my backend, and I never paid attention to what the 360 was *supposed* to do |
| [21:19:19] | RyeBrye: | Just out of curiositiy... Is the trunk back to a working state yet? (i.e. the mythUI changes are starting to settle into place yet?)? |
| [21:20:25] | sphery: | Dagmar: I've heard GTA4 is better on PS3. There are a lot of bugs and graphics glitches on GTA4 360. They'll eventually fix the bugs, but I've heard the graphics glitches may not get fixed... |
| [21:20:55] | sphery: | Of course, I only have a 360 (and won't buy a PS3 for one game). |
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| [21:23:24] | sphery: | Dagmar: BTW, the XBox 360 UPnP won't play any MPEG video. Only WMV. |
| [21:23:35] | sphery: | (won't even show MPEG video) |
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| [21:27:59] | Dagmar: | well, mainly the thing didn't even seem to have any idea that anything other than XBox Live existed, so I was a little baffled |
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| [21:31:23] | sphery: | Dagmar: If you want to connect it via UPnP, you just need to go through the setup and tell it that you installed the thing on your Windows computer. |
| [21:31:37] | sphery: | Connect a PC or something... |
| [21:33:23] | Dagmar: | Yuck. That's not something I'm going to be doing just to make media flow. That's kind of bad design on their part. |
| [21:33:42] | Dagmar: | uPnP shouldn't need a _third_ machine involved for media to move from one device to the other. |
| [21:34:16] | Dagmar: | I've almost managed to figure out enough of the protocol to manage spoofing responses with a perl script. |
| [21:35:33] | sphery: | Actually, you don't need to install anything on any Windows machines. I don't have any Windows machines on my network, but it was able to connect. |
| [21:35:55] | sphery: | Just lie(sp?) to it and say you did. |
| [21:36:10] | Dagmar: | Hay at leesed ewe weir able to figure out the typo because it was a simple won |
| [21:36:13] | Dagmar: | wrong chan |
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| [21:46:48] | stoth: | sphery: does the ps3 understand myths upnp for video? |
| [21:47:33] | iamlindoro__: | It does. Used to have some issues w/ various audio formats but those have since been fixed AFAIK |
| [21:47:42] | stoth: | fixed in myth? |
| [21:47:46] | iamlindoro__: | Sorry to reply to a question not directed at me :) |
| [21:47:56] | stoth: | NP. AC3 I assume? |
| [21:48:02] | iamlindoro__: | was actually an issue w/ the PS3, believe a newer firmware fixed it, and yeah, it was AC3 |
| [21:48:36] | stoth: | interesting. So I can expect to watch ATSC recordings on the PS3 via upnp? |
| [21:48:46] | iamlindoro__: | there were some myth-related problems w/ it showing video files as folders instead but I believe Greyfoxx also got those sorted out |
| [21:49:16] | stoth: | that's pretty cool. |
| [21:49:35] | stoth: | I know it has issues with the HD-PVR audio, when it's in a TS contanier. |
| [21:49:50] | stoth: | convert it to PS and they play well. |
| [21:49:53] | iamlindoro__: | stoth, I think so-- Don't own a PS3 myself but I recall hearing people playing back their DVB stuff, so close enough to ATSC after capture, anyway |
| [21:50:17] | iamlindoro__: | I think they may also have had to go to PS |
| [21:50:22] | ** stoth makes a mental note to do more with myth and the ps3. ** | |
| [21:50:43] | iamlindoro__: | Wish I had more concrete info for you, all I can report is what I've gleaned in here |
| [21:51:41] | stoth: | don't worry, good info. I spend too much time messing inside drivers and not enough time enjoying myth. |
| [21:54:05] | iamlindoro__: | Good to know that the HD-PVR stuff plays well on the PS3... Mine seems to be in the low number pre-orders so if you guys hit the ship date I hope to be playing w/ one soon :) |
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| [22:41:20] | Dagmar: | Oh wow |
| [22:41:30] | Dagmar: | Hehe. Found a bit of a loophole in Gmail's spellcheck |
| [22:58:26] | jblack: | It considers gmail a word? |
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| [23:05:31] | riddlebox: | can anyone tell me where I can stop my remote from pressing the button like 2 times after I press a button? |
| [23:07:12] | PatrickDK: | buy a faster finger? |
| [23:08:37] | kormoc: | riddlebox, change your settings in your lircrc or lircd.conf files |
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| [23:09:00] | riddlebox: | kormoc, I know you had mentioned something to me before about this |
| [23:09:46] | justinh: | faster finger, or a slower remote :P |
| [23:10:05] | riddlebox: | in lircrc, is it the repeat option? |
| [23:10:59] | justinh: | delay & repeat |
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| [23:11:52] | riddlebox: | ok the buttons that are having the issues have a repeat line |
| [23:13:01] | cal_: | I can the 'icon downloader' in mythbackend channel editor, but still dont see icons in my channel guide. how do i get them pulled in? |
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| [23:15:56] | justinh: | hmmm tried copying some photos with my camera (optically) cos my scanner's bust. they come out looking great apart from the flash has caught all the little scratches |
| [23:15:59] | justinh: | :( |
| [23:17:37] | iamlindoro: | Time for a teensy bit of Gaussian blur |
| [23:17:43] | Dagmar: | Or cheat |
| [23:18:04] | Dagmar: | If you can point the flash in a different direction, use a light diffuser like an umbrella wrapped in newspaper |
| [23:18:53] | justinh: | yeah it'd help to have a separate flashy gun |
| [23:19:14] | iamlindoro: | peww peww |
| [23:19:23] | Dagmar: | Ouch, bummer that it can't be removed and run not fixed onto the camera then |
| [23:19:25] | justinh: | they look ace otherwise though – better Q than my scanner |
| [23:19:45] | justinh: | I wonder if I can jerry-rig something |
| [23:20:02] | Dagmar: | Well, that was kinda what I was angling about with the umbrella covered in newspaper. |
| [23:20:04] | justinh: | hmmm if I had some opal perspex or sommink |
| [23:20:17] | cal_: | got outside and dont use a flash |
| [23:20:22] | Dagmar: | It's ghetto as hell, but you can point a flash at it and bounce a nice diffuse light |
| [23:20:22] | cal_: | go |
| [23:20:24] | Dagmar: | GO OUTSIDE?!? |
| [23:20:31] | Dagmar: | Surely you jest.. |
| [23:20:32] | justinh: | at 00:20? lol |
| [23:20:43] | Dagmar: | Oh. Heh. I wasn't even thinking about the time zone difference. |
| [23:20:48] | cal_: | oh, lol. its 7:20 here |
| [23:21:13] | justinh: | wonder if ny of the guys I work with have good scanners |
| [23:21:31] | cal_: | where u at justin |
| [23:21:41] | jduggan: | his desk |
| [23:21:47] | cal_: | pfft |
| [23:21:48] | justinh: | then again – jus cos my scanner just whirred & clicked in linux doesn't mean it's FUBAR |
| [23:22:59] | iamlindoro: | How do you like that, #linuxtv went a who day without anyone saying *anything*.... beautiful. |
| [23:23:02] | iamlindoro: | whole |
| [23:25:15] | justinh: | but I'm sure even when my scanner *did* seem to work it was just poo anyway – these camera pics are way better in terms of detail |
| [23:25:34] | Dagmar: | Sounds like your camera is better than mine |
| [23:25:48] | Dagmar: | ...although I guess I shouldn't be comparing my cameraphone with a "full" digital camera. |
| [23:26:14] | Dagmar: | I've gotten a bit spoiled by dealing with people who spent far too much on their cameras. |
| [23:26:26] | justinh: | put it this way, I can see film grain whereas with my scanner I couldn't |
| [23:26:31] | Dagmar: | I should just still be pleased that my phone actually takes pictures with a res higher than 800x600 |
| [23:26:41] | justinh: | methinks it was probably upsampling, badly |
| [23:26:47] | Dagmar: | There shouldn't be film grain with a CCD |
| [23:26:58] | Dagmar: | Yeah could be upsampling |
| [23:27:13] | Dagmar: | Ya might try bracing the camera against something really solild. |
| [23:27:15] | justinh: | no I mean you can see the grain of the print :) |
| [23:27:22] | Dagmar: | OH |
| [23:27:24] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [23:27:24] | justinh: | and I was using a tripod |
| [23:27:45] | Dagmar: | Okay that's definitely boiling down to a lighting issue then |
| [23:27:54] | justinh: | yup |
| [23:27:57] | Dagmar: | Quick! Drag every lamp in the house into the room. :) |
| [23:28:11] | justinh: | that'd do it. not at 0:30 am though |
| [23:28:36] | Dagmar: | I have one of those really hideous hydra lamps that I keep just for things like this |
| [23:28:50] | Dagmar: | It's easy to move, and has five adjustable necks. |
| [23:29:05] | justinh: | yeah I need some halogen. high colour temp.... |
| [23:29:29] | justinh: | the room light made the pics orange & noise from the ccd was evident |
| [23:29:54] | Dagmar: | I loaded the lamp with different flurous |
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| [23:33:13] | justinh: | part of the problem here is having to take the pics off-axis to avoid direct flash bounce – hence picking up the scratches |
| [23:33:42] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [23:33:48] | Dagmar: | *facepalm* |
| [23:33:54] | Dagmar: | Do you perhaps, have any Brasso around? |
| [23:34:07] | justinh: | as a matter of fact yes |
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| [23:34:19] | justinh: | don't think that'll be fine enough |
| [23:34:19] | Dagmar: | I can't believe it just now occurred to me that it might be a simple matter of quickly buffing away the scratches. |
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| [23:34:21] | Dagmar: | Heh |
| [23:34:29] | justinh: | and fecknows what it'd do to polaroids |
| [23:34:35] | Dagmar: | What? No... you can pretty much put a mirror finish on stuff with Brasso. |
| [23:34:52] | Dagmar: | I sure as hell used enough of it during high school band. |
| [23:34:57] | justinh: | heh |
| [23:35:02] | Dagmar: | <-- 98 lb kid with a 43lb Sousaphone |
| [23:35:04] | justinh: | worth a go on a test pic then |
| [23:35:56] | Dagmar: | There was footage of me leaning about 20 degrees into the wind during one performance on field. One of the judges said he felt sorry for me, and that they should feed me much mashed potatoes, asap. lol |
| [23:36:10] | justinh: | hahaha |
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| [23:38:47] | justinh: | oh wow whaddya know.. PSP's auto small scratch removal fixes em! |
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| [23:45:11] | justinh: | when I say wow I mean like WOW! |
| [23:45:53] | PatrickDK: | heh? your playing world of warcraft now? |
| [23:46:28] | justinh: | pfft |
| [23:46:39] | PatrickDK: | wow on mythtv :) |
| [23:47:16] | iamlindoro: | Before you know it we'll have some Finn in here asking "How I can install WoW on Myth on MediaPortal while playing chess?" |
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| [23:57:18] | otwin: | a bit OT, but anyway: i want to do a fresh install of my backend with as little downtime as possible. i have a clean disk connected. what options are there to install a new distro on that disk without actually booting a livecd and doing a standard install? |
| [23:57:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A just got a notice for Jury duty... yuck... ** | |
| [23:57:51] | Dagmar: | Yum. Interesting question, that |
| [23:57:55] | Dagmar: | That depends on what distro you're using. |
| [23:58:30] | Dagmar: | If you were using Slackware, you could do a really stimple thing to install to a new hard drive on the fly, but with other distros I've got no idea. |
| [23:58:31] | otwin: | Dagmar: backend runs ubuntu feisty, new would be hardy |
| [23:58:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | otwin: What is your idea of 'as little downtime as possible'? |
| [23:59:04] | Dagmar: | That would probably incur a different version of myth being installed than what your frontends run, which means they'd be incompatible (98% chance) |
| [23:59:11] | otwin: | i wondered if there is way through some vm, maybe parallels or virtualbox |
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