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| [00:00:18] | squish102: | iamlindoro, do actually know the menu structure in your head? |
| [00:00:41] | iamlindoro: | Most of it, but some of the stuff I seldom or never use I'd probably be sort of guessing about |
| [00:00:49] | squish102: | haha |
| [00:01:09] | iamlindoro: | example being anything under Manage recordings because I do all my scheduling in mythweb |
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| [00:01:38] | iamlindoro: | But I think I've probably got 100% of Utilities/Setup pretty much by heart |
| [00:01:40] | squish102: | yip all scheduling and deleting i do in mythweb too |
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| [00:11:56] | lwizardl: | anyone here use ubuntu ? I'm trying to install my Digiwave 103G DVB-S card and I don't know what I need to do to install this card. I'm a DVB newbie |
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| [00:14:18] | Lynet: | lwizardl: Doesn't the kernel load a driver for the card, or does it load it but it doen't work or? |
| [00:17:16] | lwizardl: | mythtv can see the card but it finds nothing |
| [00:17:29] | lwizardl: | it has a signal strength of 98% but no lock |
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| [00:19:11] | TelnetManta: | lwizardl: Look at /dev/dvb |
| [00:19:17] | TelnetManta: | see if you have an adapter listed. |
| [00:19:47] | lwizardl: | i have 2 |
| [00:22:29] | lwizardl: | which I don't know what they list |
| [00:23:42] | lwizardl: | they just come up in the dir as adaptor1 adapter0 |
| [00:26:32] | riddlebox: | is there anywhere I can download a default lircrc file? |
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| [00:27:38] | Anduin: | riddlebox: There is no such thing |
| [00:28:29] | riddlebox: | hrmm I guess I will just search around for one and then edit it |
| [00:28:41] | Anduin: | riddlebox: there are a few in the contrib directory |
| [00:29:18] | clever: | i made mine from scratch |
| [00:29:53] | riddlebox: | yeah I had a good one, the like an idiot I formatted and put another distro on |
| [00:30:22] | clever: | i rarely format |
| [00:30:24] | clever: | even when changing os |
| [00:30:32] | clever: | i just backup or get another drive |
| [00:30:48] | riddlebox: | yeah, I just jumped into it and didnt think about it |
| [00:30:50] | clever: | ive still got data from my original win 3.11 system |
| [00:31:17] | clever: | but that has impact damage in the fat table |
| [00:31:30] | clever: | causing dir to lockup enless i /b(hides free space total) |
| [00:31:46] | clever: | it also wont boot anymore |
| [00:31:58] | clever: | i havent tried it in linux |
| [00:32:13] | clever: | and the fingerprints probly arent helping it any |
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| [00:32:46] | riddlebox: | now do I edit button = ? or config = ? |
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| [00:33:16] | Lynet: | clever: Fingerprints? On harddisk? O.o |
| [00:33:19] | clever: | button = RED |
| [00:33:20] | clever: | config = F2 |
| [00:33:23] | clever: | Lynet: yes! |
| [00:33:27] | clever: | riddlebox: both:P |
| [00:33:44] | clever: | botton refers to the button name in lirc.conf and config refers to a key on the keyboard |
| [00:33:49] | riddlebox: | yeah I realized it after I said it, is button = my remote button? |
| [00:34:25] | clever: | Lynet: the drive hit the floor hard and stoped rworking totaly |
| [00:34:29] | clever: | i didnt care about fingerprints&dust |
| [00:34:40] | clever: | until i had it in the pc with the cover off for fun |
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| [00:34:45] | clever: | and noticed i could still dir it:P |
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| [00:41:25] | filthpig: | hi, does anyone know if Technotrend Budget C-1501 is supported in linux? I know the 1500 was, but that's discontinued... Couldn't find anything in google on it |
| [00:42:41] | iamlindoro: | No. It is not. You also probably shouldn't cross-post across channels at the exact same moment. |
| [00:44:04] | filthpig: | k, it's all about better chances for reply |
| [00:44:19] | iamlindoro: | It's rude and selfish. Don't do it. |
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| [01:00:14] | lwizardl: | hey iamlindoro I finally got a proper pc for my mythtv box |
| [01:09:56] | kslater: | gbee – you up this late? |
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| [01:10:23] | beandog: | whatd you get |
| [01:10:52] | lwizardl: | `6 - |
| [01:11:03] | lwizardl: | + -*------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- |
| [01:11:32] | lwizardl: | beandog: that to me? |
| [01:11:53] | lwizardl: | sorry about those lines my keyboard fell of the tower |
| [01:12:23] | beandog: | heh |
| [01:12:24] | beandog: | yah |
| [01:13:24] | lwizardl: | AMD 64 x2 (dual-core) 5000+, Nvidia 7200GS (512mb), 1Gb DDR2 800mhz ram (expandible to 8GB), |
| [01:14:12] | beandog: | holy crap |
| [01:14:13] | beandog: | nice. |
| [01:14:20] | beandog: | what mobo |
| [01:14:22] | lwizardl: | 160GB HDD soon to be replaced with a 500GB sata, |
| [01:14:36] | beandog: | Id get a 750gb sata, they are going down in price. |
| [01:14:41] | beandog: | You can get em for ~$150 now |
| [01:14:47] | lwizardl: | MSI K8N Neo-F V.3 |
| [01:15:06] | beandog: | very nice |
| [01:15:07] | beandog: | ++ |
| [01:15:13] | lwizardl: | now my ownly issue it getting my video sources working |
| [01:15:16] | beandog: | what are you gonna put on there |
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| [01:15:34] | lwizardl: | I've always liked MSI boards never had a bad one yet |
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| [01:17:20] | beandog: | I havent been so lucky |
| [01:17:27] | beandog: | my last two gave me problems |
| [01:17:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: That's the exact board I had in my prior backend... |
| [01:17:59] | lwizardl: | J-e-f-f-A: what did you think? |
| [01:18:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: Good board... I just wanted faster ram and more sata ports... ;-) |
| [01:18:47] | Aval0n: | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . ku=T925-2060 |
| [01:18:54] | Aval0n: | that look like a good power supply for the price/ |
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| [01:18:55] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [01:19:16] | beandog: | thermaltake? oh gwash, no |
| [01:19:31] | beandog: | pay $80-$100 for one that will be silent and you'll never have to worry about. |
| [01:19:44] | beandog: | that is, at least that much. |
| [01:20:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: My new motherboard is an Asus M2N-E — DDR2 800 – 6 SATA ... 3 PCI... ;-) |
| [01:20:36] | Aval0n: | what's the matter with thermaltake |
| [01:20:58] | Aval0n: | my video card already is gonna have a fan on it.. |
| [01:21:12] | Aval0n: | complete silence is pretty much out the door already |
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| [01:21:20] | Aval0n: | this thing is getting locked up in an enclose cabinet too |
| [01:21:26] | Aval0n: | properly ventilated I might add. |
| [01:23:21] | lwizardl: | J-e-f-f-A: so basically your ownly new thing is the 2 more sata morts |
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| [01:23:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: And going from DDR 400 to DDR2 800 ... |
| [01:24:11] | lwizardl: | my board is DDR2 800 |
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| [01:25:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: Ok, yours is a newer model then... ;-) Mine was just DDR400.. ;-) (oh, and only sata1, so I gained SATA II ports too...) |
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| [01:25:51] | lwizardl: | oh mine is 3.0gbs and i have 4 satas at that rate, and 3 PCI ports |
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| [01:26:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: My old board had 4pci slots – so I lost one in the deal – new board just has 3 pci slots. |
| [01:27:23] | lwizardl: | this is the cooling fan & heatsync http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Cooler/TMG . . . cl-p0374.asp |
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| [01:28:56] | lwizardl: | so anyone here know how to test if dvb cards are installed in the os not just in mythtv? |
| [01:29:06] | beandog: | Aval0n, I would still get a better brand, regardless. That thing will die on you w/in a year. |
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| [01:29:16] | beandog: | get good power output too, at least 400, 450 W |
| [01:29:28] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl: The fact that you have a /dev/dvb node means that it's installed in the OS-- not to mention you can't install it in Myth without it already existing in the OS |
| [01:30:03] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, ok becuase I'm not getting a signal lock when I scan the sats |
| [01:30:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: The only thing I don't like about my new board is that the BIOS only recognizes the first 8 drives it sees to boot from – so when I have my 6 for my raid5, and my 2 for my OS (mirrored raid1 via pcie card), I can only have one other drive connected... or it won't allow me to select the raid card to boot from... |
| [01:30:28] | Aval0n: | beandog: I've had crappier power supplies then that last years :P |
| [01:30:38] | Aval0n: | allied |
| [01:30:48] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl: What satellites are you trying to scan? Are you pointed properly? Did you set up any/all switches properly? Are you able to watch outside of myth/does szap work? |
| [01:30:49] | Aval0n: | beandog: what brand would you recommend? |
| [01:31:06] | beandog: | I like seasonic |
| [01:31:27] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, yeah I can view them with my satellite box fine so I know they are pointed correctly |
| [01:31:44] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, currently I want to try and scan 119 |
| [01:32:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Aval0n: I've had good luck with "CoolerMaster"... running a 600W now... |
| [01:32:25] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl: You can't do Dish Network in myth w/ DVB-S. At least not legally/without unsupported patches, and you can't get help for any of that here |
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| [01:32:58] | Aval0n: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151039 ? |
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| [01:33:18] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, yeah I know that not trying to get dish network oi'm just trying to get any signal I have a motor for the dish being added |
| [01:33:18] | beandog: | yah that looks decent |
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| [01:33:54] | Aval0n: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171018 |
| [01:33:59] | Aval0n: | or that one |
| [01:34:01] | Aval0n: | that's 500w |
| [01:34:04] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, and that is going to be used for true FTA unencrypted stuff |
| [01:34:21] | i_is_cat: | my remote outputs the letter D when you push a number or browse settings with a text field box and when trying to view or manage recordings it tries to delete them without pressing a button |
| [01:34:36] | i_is_cat: | its a hauppauge pvr350 remote anyone know whats up? |
| [01:34:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Aval0n: here's my supply... ;-) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171013 |
| [01:36:34] | Aval0n: | is it noisy jeff? |
| [01:36:42] | Aval0n: | lost of the ppl's reviews say the fan is louder than sin |
| [01:37:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Aval0n: I haven't noticed that much... it's got a 120mm fan on it, and I've got alot of fans in my case – it's a dedicated backend in the basement with (currently) 9 hard disks... Don't want it to overheat... ;-) |
| [01:37:35] | Aval0n: | heheh |
| [01:40:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Aval0n: I got it for like $39 after rebate at the now-defunct CompUSA (well, the store... not the new web site) |
| [01:40:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: Does your K8N have the firewire option? |
| [01:41:04] | i_is_cat: | i have a 430w thermaltake psu it cost me $40 like a year ago and its nice and efficient |
| [01:42:06] | lwizardl: | J-e-f-f-A: I don't see a firewire but I'm missing the accessories |
| [01:42:23] | i_is_cat: | m2npv-vm pwnage |
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| [01:43:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: There would be a header for it on the board near the end PCI slot – mine doesn't have it, so there's just a spot where the header would be, labelled "1394" IIRC... |
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| [01:47:06] | puzzled: | anyone know what the mplayer lircrc variable is to get remaining time of a movie onscreen? |
| [01:47:35] | clever: | puzzled: find your inputs.conf |
| [01:47:42] | clever: | it should show every key and mplayer command |
| [01:47:49] | clever: | i beleive the lircrc takes the mplayer commands |
| [01:47:57] | puzzled: | clever: thanks. will have a look |
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| [01:51:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: This is what my K8n looks like, minus the 4 additional sata ports on the left side... (If mine was the Platnum board, like this one, I wouldn't have updated... (but mine does have the 4th PCI slot, and the right PCIe slot on mine is actually an x4 slot... |
| [01:52:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: oops, perhaps the pic would help... http://tbreak.com/reviews/imageview.php?image=9000 |
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| [01:55:33] | lwizardl: | this is mine http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . bneo-f%2bv.3 |
| [01:56:36] | lwizardl: | sec I'll look at mine gotta open the case |
| [01:57:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: Ah, that's a K9N — "9", not "8"... that' explains the differences from my mb... ;-) |
| [01:57:55] | lwizardl: | yeah sorry |
| [01:58:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: That's ok... ;-) |
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| [01:58:53] | lwizardl: | i see headers for jusb1 jusb2, jspi1 |
| [01:59:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: yeah, I don't see any firewire on that board from the newegg description. |
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| [02:03:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: Still a nice board... ;-) |
| [02:03:56] | lwizardl: | yeah i got it for $50 but no accessories |
| [02:04:18] | lwizardl: | but they are only going to cost me $10 shipped from MSI to get them so no big deal |
| [02:04:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: What accessories? |
| [02:05:19] | lwizardl: | sata cables, ata cables, cover plate, etc |
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| [02:09:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | lwizardl: Oh yeah, the cover plate... ;-) Everything else is readily available... ;-) |
| [02:10:09] | lwizardl: | yeah I had everything else handy already |
| [02:10:39] | lwizardl: | i've got 4 sata cables already and plenty of ATA cables |
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| [02:12:47] | bthankins: | Anyone get the ps3 bluetooth remote working with mythtv? I have it working and I use it with elisa, but I thought there might be some webpage that gave some configuration details about its lirc configuration in mythtv. I didn't see it on the wiki. |
| [02:12:55] | i_is_cat: | so no one has had the weird issue of their remote trying to delete all recordings and putting D characters in text fields and when you press the numbers during livetv? |
| [02:13:15] | beandog: | your lircd.conf is probably foobed. |
| [02:13:29] | Anduin: | i_is_cat: does irw show the same? |
| [02:13:45] | i_is_cat: | no i havent seen it in irw |
| [02:13:46] | i_is_cat: | its weird |
| [02:14:29] | kormoc: | I had that problem once, I restarted mythfrontend and it worked fine, never happened again |
| [02:15:26] | i_is_cat: | well this problem wont go away |
| [02:15:37] | i_is_cat: | system has been restarted several times |
| [02:16:11] | i_is_cat: | also when watching livetv where is the setting to be able to press more than one number at a time to change channels? it only accepts one number at a time |
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| [02:16:26] | kormoc: | that's likely related to the D thing |
| [02:17:44] | i_is_cat: | this D thing is extremely annoying.. so far everything on this box works now aside from that and the antec knob but i dont really need the knob.. |
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| [02:21:00] | bthankins: | is the backend needed for mythgame? |
| [02:21:11] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [02:22:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: The volume knob appears as a seperate remote — I learned mine with irrecord... |
| [02:22:51] | riddlebox: | can anyone tell me what I would use in .lircrc to scroll up and down in any of the menus? I tried config = Up but when I scroll through it, it jumps to every other one? |
| [02:23:19] | kormoc: | riddlebox, try tweaking your remotes repeat settings, it's likely repeating keys |
| [02:23:43] | riddlebox: | ahh ok, I have noticed it seems to be doing that |
| [02:24:01] | riddlebox: | right now repeat is at 3, so I should maybe put it to 2 and see |
| [02:24:02] | riddlebox: | thanks |
| [02:24:23] | kormoc: | that's after how many times it sees the signal to repeat |
| [02:24:30] | kormoc: | you likely want to up it |
| [02:25:20] | riddlebox: | where do I check the repeat of the remote then? |
| [02:25:25] | kormoc: | IR remotes work by sending the same signal over and over again, so as it bounces about one will eventually hit the receiver correctly. The side affect is unless you filter, you'll get tons of extra key presses, the repeat is how much to filter |
| [02:26:19] | kormoc: | right now it's set to receive a signal, do action, receive signal, ignore, receive signal ignore, receive signal, do action, etc |
| [02:26:26] | kormoc: | and thus it's too small for your remote |
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| [02:29:32] | riddlebox: | kormoc, I set it to 10 and it still does the same thing |
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| [02:30:40] | kormoc: | riddlebox, did you restart lircd? |
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| [02:32:15] | kormoc: | riddlebox, or try messing with delay, that might be more important in your situtation |
| [02:32:16] | riddlebox: | kormoc, ok, I change that in lircrc right? |
| [02:32:52] | kormoc: | yes |
| [02:33:07] | kormoc: | and you'll likely have to restart mythfrontend |
| [02:33:07] | riddlebox: | I didnt know you have to restart lircd when you make changes in there |
| [02:33:14] | riddlebox: | I knew about mythfrontend |
| [02:33:16] | kormoc: | I don't think you do, but doesn't hurt |
| [02:33:22] | kormoc: | as things should have changed |
| [02:33:37] | riddlebox: | true |
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| [03:02:11] | mythcharles: | hi all, I have difficulties setting myth to use lirc, can someone helps me ? Thanks ! |
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| [03:09:57] | jarodl_: | I can't find the option to change my osd in the "Playback" settings. I accidentally overwrote my .xml files in the /usr/share/mythtv/ directory. Could that be keeping me from seeing the osd option? If so, how can I restore the .xml files? |
| [03:10:37] | kormoc: | given the xml files define the themes/osd's/menus, they are slightly important |
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| [03:11:08] | jarodl_: | Can I restore them from the source or something without re-installing? |
| [03:11:58] | mythcharles: | how can I use the edit keys menu ? must I configure lircrc file before ? My lirc config works fine with irsend, I only need to be able to control the menu with my remote... Thanks ! |
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| [03:21:46] | bipolar: | Is there a command I can run on a console to have myth rescan the video storage directory and add new files to the system? |
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| [03:22:28] | squish102: | i hope there is, but i don't think so |
| [03:22:40] | kormoc: | There is not, but the web interface can |
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| [03:23:53] | bipolar: | hmm... |
| [03:24:05] | bipolar: | what's the web interface written in? |
| [03:24:32] | kormoc: | php |
| [03:24:36] | bipolar: | maybe there is a better solution... I want to integrate Miro with Mythtv |
| [03:24:56] | kormoc: | we do database twiddling to get it working in php |
| [03:25:22] | kormoc: | all you need to do is add a hook with Miro to insert in the meta data into the db for each file |
| [03:25:34] | bipolar: | right now I just have video browsing set to just browse the file system, and miro dumps all the video into the video's directory. |
| [03:25:41] | bipolar: | it's kinda ugly... |
| [03:25:56] | bipolar: | kormoc: ok. |
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| [03:56:47] | ShiftyPowers: | anyone have experience with lirc and mythtv? |
| [03:57:00] | ShiftyPowers: | for some bizarre reason my remote works in mythfrontend but not in mythwelcome |
| [03:57:15] | ShiftyPowers: | it used to work in both but since i upgraded to gutsy, things aren't working quite right |
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| [04:15:22] | ShiftyPowers: | does anyone think that the internal player is now a better choice than mplayer to play videos? |
| [04:15:25] | ShiftyPowers: | in MythVideo? |
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| [04:16:55] | hads: | ShiftyPowers: Yeah definitly. |
| [04:17:07] | ShiftyPowers: | even for 720p stuff? |
| [04:17:09] | ShiftyPowers: | or higher? |
| [04:17:23] | ShiftyPowers: | i've always found mplayer so smooth, but i like the integration of the internal player |
| [04:17:26] | ShiftyPowers: | clean gui |
| [04:17:32] | ShiftyPowers: | so i'm willing ot switch over |
| [04:18:06] | hads: | Works fine here for 720p (don't have anything higher), why don't you just try it out. |
| [04:18:18] | ShiftyPowers: | will do :) |
| [04:27:23] | kormoc: | it's the same player as the tv player, and that plays 1080 video for lots of folks |
| [04:35:46] | justdave: | does it handle softsubs? |
| [04:36:19] | ShiftyPowers: | kormoc, just tested it out on some materials, it's great |
| [04:36:22] | ShiftyPowers: | works great |
| [04:36:31] | justdave: | and have a way for me to auto-pick a subtitle track if there's a one that matches my criteria? |
| [04:37:55] | justdave: | that was my reason for using mplayer last time I had to make the choice was because mplayer lets me put a list of subtitle preferences on the command line so if there's matching subs available they're autoenabled instead of having to toggle them on after the video starts |
| [04:38:17] | justdave: | (works good when watching foreign stuff) |
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| [05:57:53] | lwizardl: | hi guys |
| [05:59:21] | lwizardl: | how do I switch devices on watch tv? |
| [05:59:58] | lwizardl: | I have 3 devices configured and don't know how to switch from my PVR-150 to my kworld |
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| [08:01:15] | pparker: | hi here |
| [08:01:18] | pparker: | i'm trying mythbuntu livecd and i got troubles to connect to database |
| [08:01:31] | pparker: | i'm reading docs but any help would be very cool |
| [08:03:47] | pparker: | anyone listening ? |
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| [08:06:17] | pparker: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' |
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| [08:06:34] | pparker: | i've read docs |
| [08:06:50] | pparker: | i'm in mythtv group |
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| [08:19:01] | cesman: | pparker: sounds like what mythtv is configured to use as the password isn't so... |
| [08:19:39] | cesman: | pparker: if you look at /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt it will display what password MythTV is attempting to use |
| [08:20:10] | cesman: | pparker: sorry, that is about as far as I so as I don't know what the default is setup for Mythbuntu |
| [08:20:27] | cesman: | pparker: default MySQL mythtv user that is... |
| [08:25:07] | pparker: | cesman:how to test connection do db ? |
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| [08:26:04] | pparker: | because i think db is missing or empty |
| [08:26:47] | pparker: | i've tryed "sudo mysql_install_db" |
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| [08:54:53] | adante: | heh hmm |
| [08:55:54] | adante: | my mythtv no longer seems to record stuff |
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| [09:14:29] | quicksilver: | adante: maybe there's nothign good on? |
| [09:15:54] | adante: | quicksilver: heh not quite.. if i select a show that is currently on in mythweb, set it to record, nothing happens |
| [09:16:00] | adante: | its in the 'recording schedules' but not in upcoming recordings |
| [09:16:22] | adante: | think it has something to do with corrupted recordinggroup when I upgraded mythtv to .21 |
| [09:16:35] | laga: | morning |
| [09:27:58] | justinh: | ahh it's morning. must be why I feel like death |
| [09:28:49] | laga: | "dead" or "like the reaper"? |
| [09:30:50] | justinh: | dead |
| [09:30:59] | laga: | me too. |
| [09:31:14] | laga: | although it's 10:30 for you, that's not exactly early :) |
| [09:31:32] | justinh: | went out on saturday, got home 4am ish. sunday, went to a big park for 3.5 hours with the doggy |
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| [09:44:55] | justinh: | "I'd like MythTV to support widget with overlay".. wtf? |
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| [10:18:03] | justinh: | I can forsee awful looking features competing for luminance values on TVs everywhere! |
| [10:19:14] | laga: | hum. luminance is 0–255? 255 overlays ought to be enough for everyone |
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| [10:28:39] | justinh: | not a big fan of too many bits of translucent crap on top of video |
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| [10:45:23] | Dibblah: | ... He wants a box inserted DOG :) |
| [10:47:26] | Dibblah: | Err... As in http://625.uk.com/dogwatch/#s2 |
| [10:48:58] | quicksilver: | dogs are OK on 16:9 letterboxes because you can zoom them offscreen :) |
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| [11:19:48] | justinh: | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=426331& . . . id=536319272 |
| [11:19:54] | justinh: | arghhh damnit |
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| [11:27:28] | LabMonkey: | can I make the video manager update my video files from the command line? |
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| [11:27:52] | LabMonkey: | like so I can put it in a cron job |
| [11:28:49] | justinh: | why? it's done automagically now |
| [11:30:26] | justinh: | but anyway, there's NO way to do it from the command line. thought that would be common knowledge by now |
| [11:31:53] | LabMonkey: | what do you mean it's done automagically? |
| [11:32:50] | justinh: | I mean mythbackend scans the video dir periodically since 0.21 – pretty sure of that |
| [11:32:58] | LabMonkey: | oh |
| [11:33:13] | LabMonkey: | do you know what the interval is? |
| [11:33:20] | laga: | i thought it only does that for upnp |
| [11:33:30] | laga: | but i might be wrong there, i don't use mythvideo a lot |
| [11:34:42] | justinh: | ach well. not that I could care less about people who want their stinky torrentz to appear in mythvideo without ever lifting a finger! |
| [11:35:14] | laga: | yes! there is no valid use for firing off a rescan via a CLI! NEVAR!# |
| [11:36:02] | justinh: | mythvideo was invented before video podcasts :P |
| [11:36:46] | justinh: | but hey – why stop at making the video dir scanning possible on the command line? why not just re-do everything in perl & get rid of the user interface? |
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| [11:37:15] | LabMonkey: | hmm |
| [11:37:30] | LabMonkey: | somebody pissed in your post tosties, didn't they? |
| [11:37:39] | justinh: | heh |
| [11:37:41] | justinh: | you reckon? |
| [11:38:40] | justinh: | you could make a script to scan the video dir(s) and add stuff automagically. look in the database tables & you'll see it wouldn't be rocket science |
| [11:39:02] | justinh: | doh there I go again being an evil bastard, suggesting someone lifts a finger. ssssh |
| [11:39:19] | LabMonkey: | yeah since there isn't a lot of writing to the video list table |
| [11:39:50] | LabMonkey: | I'm still on cup #1 so the ol' grey matter isn't quite in gear yet |
| [11:40:12] | justinh: | it's possible somebody's already done it & kept the info on their blog that nobody has found yet :P |
| [11:45:27] | LabMonkey: | nngh |
| [11:45:42] | LabMonkey: | I'll try again after I get cup #2 |
| [11:45:47] | LabMonkey: | google-fu is weak |
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| [11:58:06] | justinh: | maybe it's worth looking at doing before mythvideo gets its own storage group |
| [12:02:10] | justinh: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7077 is worth a look. found it in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=620361 – the first google hit for 'update mythvideo automatically' |
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| [12:08:15] | MaxeyPad2: | Should I be able to watch x264s using mythtv on a dual core laptop with an intel video card? |
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| [12:09:21] | justinh: | probably not |
| [12:09:33] | a1fa: | epic fail |
| [12:10:06] | justinh: | doesn't really matter what video hardware you have either in point of fact |
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| [12:10:23] | MaxeyPad2: | justinh: why not? what is the weak point there? |
| [12:11:06] | MaxeyPad2: | justinh: its a fast dual core with 4GB of ram, the only real bottleneck I saw was the video, but you are saying that doesn't really matter all that much? |
| [12:12:18] | justinh: | CPU is king |
| [12:12:45] | a1fa: | http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2 . . . 124_5980.jpg |
| [12:12:46] | justinh: | threaded decoding might do the job but only if the video is encoded in slices |
| [12:12:46] | a1fa: | awww |
| [12:12:56] | a1fa: | bye bye gs500 :( |
| [12:13:01] | a1fa: | i sold one of my bikes last night |
| [12:13:32] | a1fa: | far right |
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| [12:20:20] | MaxeyPad2: | justinh: i mean |
| [12:20:23] | MaxeyPad2: | thats a pretty fast proc |
| [12:20:38] | MaxeyPad2: | my 5000+ does it fine |
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| [12:25:06] | justinh: | so? |
| [12:25:41] | justinh: | if a system ain't up to it, it ain't up to it, end of story |
| [12:25:59] | MaxeyPad2: | I guess I could just test it with mythbuntu |
| [12:26:02] | MaxeyPad2: | thanks for your help man |
| [12:26:07] | GreyFoxx: | My X2 5200+ (just put together on Friday) plays everything I've tossed at it |
| [12:26:15] | GreyFoxx: | including the various x264 test files |
| [12:28:40] | neopsyche: | Hi im new to myth tv.. windows refugee using ubuntu.. have installed mythbuntu, not sure how to get this all working.. i want to do timed recording pvr for single channel.. i am currently watching tv on analog tv card with xawtv. |
| [12:28:59] | ** justinh points at #ubuntu-mythtv ** | |
| [12:29:05] | neopsyche: | thanks |
| [12:30:17] | justinh: | windows MCE is wise for not supporting framegrabber cards, I'm now pretty certain of that |
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| [12:32:10] | arren: | hi all |
| [12:32:27] | arren: | i'm using xmltv itegrated in mythtv 0.21 |
| [12:32:43] | arren: | how to add the option --slow in the grabber |
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| [12:36:50] | arren: | nobody can help me pls ? |
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| [12:54:39] | Dibblah: | Gotta love Virgin media. |
| [12:54:52] | Dibblah: | In the small print of http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet . . . size_xl.html |
| [12:55:05] | Dibblah: | "Further Legal Stuff applies" |
| [12:55:17] | Dibblah: | Uhm.... Huh? Want to make that any more vague? |
| [12:55:49] | justinh: | you have a choice – get sucky ADSL or get cable |
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| [12:56:10] | Dibblah: | If You Steal Our Service We'll Send The Fuzz Roung? |
| [12:56:16] | Dibblah: | Round, even. |
| [12:56:19] | justinh: | * don't download kiddie porn, don't upload it either |
| [12:56:28] | justinh: | * don't hog bandwidth & be a file-whore |
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| [12:59:38] | justinh: | oh and don't bank on their DNS & transparent caching always working either |
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| [13:04:21] | Dibblah: | Transproxy went some years ago. |
| [13:05:51] | justinh: | right, so that'll be why I sometimes see squid pages every now & again during peak periods then |
| [13:07:14] | Dibblah: | Oh, you're an ex-TW? |
| [13:07:33] | justinh: | nope. ex NTL |
| [13:07:41] | Dibblah: | Err... That's what I meant, sorry. |
| [13:08:02] | Dibblah: | On TW, the transparent proxy was a limited trial. |
| [13:08:27] | justinh: | stopped using their own DNS a while ago but opendns is sometimes worse |
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| [13:09:16] | Dibblah: | Meh. Running your own is easy. |
| [13:09:38] | justinh: | I run some DNS cachey thingy |
| [13:09:43] | justinh: | can't remember what it's called |
| [13:09:51] | jduggan: | dnscache |
| [13:09:52] | jduggan: | ? |
| [13:10:25] | Dibblah: | Not that it really matters. |
| [13:10:42] | justinh: | dnsmasq |
| [13:10:47] | jduggan: | shouldnt really need to run ur own, ISP's should be up to the job damnit |
| [13:10:48] | jduggan: | =] |
| [13:10:49] | justinh: | had to look in /etc to remind me |
| [13:11:04] | justinh: | jduggan: yeah but... |
| [13:11:12] | justinh: | they're not |
| [13:11:16] | jduggan: | nod |
| [13:11:29] | justinh: | and it's total pot-luck pissing one off & going to somebody else |
| [13:11:56] | justinh: | I'll have to get severely ragged off with virgin to go back to having a BT line |
| [13:11:58] | Dibblah: | ex-TW isn't that bad. All you need to do is move ;) |
| [13:12:44] | Dibblah: | Of course, they're going to harmonise terms sometime. Which means sinking to NTHell level. |
| [13:12:51] | jduggan: | im fairly happy with virgin – never had problems |
| [13:15:03] | justinh: | never had any complaints with NTL |
| [13:15:12] | justinh: | since they became virgin it's gorn down |
| [13:17:17] | jduggan: | they fucked my billing up three months on the trott, which is sorta forgiveable considering they were merging billing systems, and i got my money back with no fuss |
| [13:17:54] | jduggan: | i think ive had downtime once this year, and it was internet only, their tv isnt so great but meh |
| [13:19:24] | justinh: | downtime is negligible compared to people I know with ADSL |
| [13:19:31] | jduggan: | indeed |
| [13:19:33] | justinh: | just gets really slow at peak times sometimes |
| [13:19:45] | justinh: | dns lookups mainly |
| [13:19:51] | justinh: | hence dnsmasq at home :) |
| [13:20:37] | jduggan: | i use my works resolvers |
| [13:20:46] | jduggan: | has to be some benefits to workin for an ISP eh :\ |
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| [13:23:07] | ** justinh sets to work making an irssi gadget to auto-ignore people with nicks containing bits of certain film character names ** | |
| [13:23:32] | jduggan: | like who? |
| [13:23:34] | jduggan: | :o |
| [13:23:37] | PatrickDK: | me? |
| [13:23:48] | jduggan is now known as NEO- | |
| [13:23:55] | NEO-: | haha |
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| [13:24:17] | justinh: | not made it yet :P |
| [13:26:29] | PatrickDK: | crash override? zerocool? |
| [13:27:45] | jduggan: | no, acidburn |
| [13:28:35] | PatrickDK: | or can we go even older, tron? |
| [13:30:03] | jduggan: | what about mckittrick |
| [13:30:04] | jduggan: | or wotever |
| [13:30:58] | jduggan: | david lightman, from wargames =] |
| [13:32:14] | PatrickDK: | boring name :( |
| [13:32:36] | jduggan: | sure |
| [13:32:37] | PatrickDK: | heh, I can't remember the name of the computer from war games |
| [13:32:41] | jduggan: | worp |
| [13:32:43] | jduggan: | or something |
| [13:32:49] | jduggan: | wopper |
| [13:32:50] | jduggan: | wopr |
| [13:33:49] | PatrickDK: | maybe I should name my new octo core computer that :) |
| [13:34:30] | ** jduggan has a few of those ** | |
| [13:35:19] | jduggan: | i say I, technically they belong to the company i work for, but meh, they're my babies |
| [13:35:28] | PatrickDK: | I have a few too |
| [13:35:32] | PatrickDK: | but I mean personally :) |
| [13:35:44] | PatrickDK: | my personal database server just died, and needs replacement |
| [13:35:59] | PatrickDK: | so it's living it's life on a dual-core 3ghz with 8gig ram |
| [13:36:06] | PatrickDK: | till I can get the new box |
| [13:36:12] | jduggan: | what 'personal' database needs such power |
| [13:36:19] | PatrickDK: | mine? |
| [13:36:26] | jduggan: | for what purpose |
| [13:36:39] | ** jduggan has sql servers in production with less spec :P ** | |
| [13:36:42] | PatrickDK: | hmm, it hosts data for about 6 companies |
| [13:37:02] | PatrickDK: | I maintain and run it, and rent out usage |
| [13:37:29] | PatrickDK: | well, the plan is the new server isn't going be just db |
| [13:37:35] | PatrickDK: | but also do some other things as well |
| [13:37:46] | PatrickDK: | the current one is only able to do the db, at it's specs |
| [13:37:52] | MilkBoy: | not really personal then huh? |
| [13:38:10] | PatrickDK: | personal as in, I bought and payed for it myself, and I own it outright |
| [13:38:24] | PatrickDK: | not company payed for hardware |
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| [13:39:21] | MilkBoy: | hmm.. my definition of "personal" is more like "for personal use", ie not used "for business purposes" |
| [13:39:30] | Drega is now known as Dregs | |
| [13:40:03] | PatrickDK: | self employment use? |
| [13:41:10] | justinh: | self abuse? |
| [13:41:26] | PatrickDK: | mainly |
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| [13:43:03] | MilkBoy: | =) |
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| [13:49:26] | hti_pro: | I need help guys, I need to find a utility similar to atitvout for an NVidia card, I need to toggle the tv output off and on from within a script |
| [13:49:34] | hti_pro: | any ideas, all i see are guis |
| [13:49:37] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:50:32] | justinh: | cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.notvout; cp xorg.conf.tvout xorg.conf |
| [13:51:02] | hti_pro: | I have an automatic video switcher, but it doesnt work well because my cable box and my myth pc both put out a signal all the time, even when the cable box is powered off |
| [13:51:29] | justinh: | since you have to restart X to en/dis-able the tvout.. you have little choice |
| [13:51:35] | hti_pro: | I would like it if i didn't have to restart x |
| [13:51:58] | PatrickDK: | personally I would just have x setup to output to both all the time |
| [13:51:58] | justinh: | you have no choice in that |
| [13:52:05] | hti_pro: | with atitvout I could toggle tv output via a single command line 'atitvout -f t' |
| [13:52:10] | hti_pro: | or something like that |
| [13:52:21] | justinh: | which part of YOU HAVE TO RESTART X is so fucking hard to grasp?! |
| [13:52:44] | PatrickDK: | the whole part? :) |
| [13:52:53] | hti_pro: | justinh then why can atitvout toggle tv output and not restart x |
| [13:53:03] | justinh: | because it's ATI not nvidia |
| [13:53:08] | keith4: | use metamodes |
| [13:53:09] | hti_pro: | there must be a way to do it with nvidia too, even if i have to write my own app |
| [13:53:10] | justinh: | MUHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [13:53:14] | justinh: | there's not! |
| [13:53:17] | justinh: | MUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [13:53:17] | keith4: | there is |
| [13:53:19] | keith4: | use metamodes |
| [13:53:21] | jduggan: | have you tried 'enable' and 'disable' in nvidia-settings ? |
| [13:53:24] | jduggan: | for each screen? |
| [13:53:32] | keith4: | you can turn off one output at a time with properly-written meta modes |
| [13:53:40] | justinh: | jduggan: wants it on the commandline |
| [13:53:50] | jduggan: | im sure you can pass args to nvidia-settings |
| [13:53:57] | hti_pro: | keith4 can i toggle between meta modes from command line |
| [13:53:59] | justinh: | you can but he can't be arsed to look it up |
| [13:54:01] | GreyFoxx: | You could just use dpms and shutoff the output (but that would be vga/dvi too) |
| [13:54:13] | keith4: | hti_pro: uh... dunno |
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| [13:54:49] | justinh: | if nvidia supported xrandr properly.. maybe :) |
| [13:55:09] | keith4: | i was just going to say... maybe using xrandr |
| [13:55:11] | hti_pro: | justinh I had no idea what program i was lookin for, all you had to do is tell me the name and I can look it up my damn self, have we had too much coffee this morning or what, chill the f$#& out |
| [13:55:47] | justinh: | NO! |
| [13:56:02] | justinh: | being angry is fun :) |
| [13:56:08] | hti_pro: | GreyFoxx: that would be acceptible, is dpms the name of the app |
| [13:56:17] | ** PatrickDK sends justinh my kids ** | |
| [13:56:27] | hti_pro: | justinh I would have to agree |
| [13:56:32] | justinh: | and pretending to be angry, pissing people off in the process, is even more fun :D |
| [13:56:35] | GreyFoxx: | no, the protocol. You can use xset to toggle it on and off |
| [13:56:37] | ** hti_pro send his kids to justinh also ** | |
| [13:56:39] | PatrickDK: | hti_pro, xset dpms on |
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| [13:56:51] | GreyFoxx: | xset dpmns force off |
| [13:56:56] | GreyFoxx: | dpms |
| [13:56:58] | hti_pro: | PatrickDK, thanks I'll give it a try |
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| [13:57:16] | PatrickDK: | ah ya, force :) |
| [13:57:27] | GreyFoxx: | play with the vairous settintgs |
| [13:57:33] | GreyFoxx: | It's been ages since I last did that |
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| [13:57:58] | hti_pro: | ok dpms works but when i turn it back on tv-out doesnt come back on |
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| [13:58:13] | ** justinh suggests restarting X. lol ** | |
| [13:58:16] | GreyFoxx: | I used it with my tv-out |
| [13:58:22] | GreyFoxx: | no vga or dvi connected |
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| [13:58:36] | hti_pro: | wait, my kid turned off my tv while i was switching it, works great |
| [13:58:54] | hti_pro: | appreciate it |
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| [13:59:34] | hti_pro: | ok it worked once |
| [13:59:38] | hti_pro: | now it does nothing |
| [13:59:54] | hti_pro: | I will play with it, though, thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| [14:00:13] | PatrickDK: | maybe not right, but atleast somewhere |
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| [14:01:27] | justinh: | heh. ubunut's irc channel, some guy is seriously advocating ATI cards. bless |
| [14:02:01] | hti_pro: | i can't stand ATI |
| [14:02:04] | PatrickDK: | heh? ati cards are great, to put into landfills |
| [14:02:12] | hti_pro: | I second that one |
| [14:02:26] | hti_pro: | although I would feel like i was wasting landfill |
| [14:02:43] | PatrickDK: | I wouldn't |
| [14:02:46] | Dibblah: | ATI cards are great. |
| [14:02:55] | Dibblah: | Apart from the drivers and the hardware. |
| [14:02:55] | hti_pro: | maybe in windoes |
| [14:02:56] | PatrickDK: | hate to recycle those things, probably nothing worth recycling on them |
| [14:02:59] | Dibblah: | Oh, wait. |
| [14:03:21] | hti_pro: | Oh i feel like i am wasting any space that is taken up by an ATI card |
| [14:03:28] | PatrickDK: | I stopped attempting anything with ati years ago, even windows, cause the drivers just sucked, and crashed windows all the time |
| [14:03:38] | PatrickDK: | and was having pci/agp issues with the cards |
| [14:03:42] | Dibblah: | Intel are quite nice in the GMA* drivers. |
| [14:04:03] | Dibblah: | Works just like you'd expect from the description on the tin. |
| [14:04:05] | hti_pro: | It took me a week just to get an ATI Radeon AIW 7500 card to work in windows, with ati support |
| [14:04:16] | ** PatrickDK finds it funny his intel servers have ati video :( ** | |
| [14:04:19] | Dibblah: | Of course, not the most performant of solutions, but adequate for Myth. |
| [14:04:49] | Dibblah: | ATI Rage was one of the best chipsets for servers. |
| [14:04:54] | hti_pro: | for viewing myth, if you are looking to capture ATI is an infant in the advanced world of video capture |
| [14:05:00] | Dibblah: | .5w power draw... |
| [14:05:08] | hti_pro: | er... edit infant -> outkast |
| [14:05:55] | PatrickDK: | I would be happy without video |
| [14:06:07] | PatrickDK: | I have 3 servers that don't even have video in them |
| [14:06:23] | hti_pro: | At one point I thought I hit the jackpot when my teacher "GAVE" me 3 ati aiw radeon 7500's boy was i wrong |
| [14:06:27] | hashbang: | Dibblah: to be fair, ATI /used/ to be pretty good for providing docs and code to XFree86 |
| [14:06:50] | justinh: | course that explains why the drivers sucked so badly :) |
| [14:06:50] | hashbang: | Dibblah: they were the fastest card supported using free drivers until the Radeon 9250 |
| [14:07:20] | justinh: | and everybody blaming mythtv when 'muh, mplayer just works so it must be something wrong with myth' |
| [14:07:21] | hashbang: | justinh: well, XFree86 are documented as being pretty tardy about incorporating ATI's fixes... |
| [14:08:32] | hti_pro: | PatrickDK, speeking of servers, funny story, I have been waiting on this new USB2.0/Firewire combo pci card so I could turn my poweredge server into a mythbackend. Turns out my server will only take 5.0V pci cards and the damn card is 3.3V |
| [14:08:53] | Dibblah: | hti_pro: Bloody mismanufactured cards. |
| [14:08:58] | PatrickDK: | heh? 5v pci servers? |
| [14:09:09] | hti_pro: | Is that uncommon |
| [14:09:16] | PatrickDK: | all my servers only support 3.3v, no 5v pci slots at all |
| [14:09:27] | hti_pro: | it is kindof old, its a poweredge 6450 P3 era |
| [14:09:28] | PatrickDK: | but then they only have 64bit 66mhz pci slots |
| [14:10:01] | hti_pro: | I have two 64-Bit 66 MHZ slots, 5 32-Bit 64MHz slots and one 32-bit 33 MHZ slot |
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| [14:10:53] | hti_pro: | it was a 2dollar card too, works great in any other machine, I'm gonna look over the card see if i can swap out a voltage regulator or something |
| [14:11:07] | hti_pro: | I'm afraid that the 3.3V and 5.0V may use seperate pins though |
| [14:11:18] | hti_pro: | if not it should be a simple mod |
| [14:11:34] | PatrickDK: | they use seperate pins |
| [14:11:56] | hti_pro: | That kinda sucks, but also explains why i didn't fry the card too |
| [14:12:03] | PatrickDK: | and it will mainly depend on how tollerant the card is |
| [14:12:05] | Dibblah: | Usually, if it's 5v keyed, it's not 3.3v capable. |
| [14:12:13] | Dibblah: | And vice versa. |
| [14:12:14] | PatrickDK: | does it need 5v on it's inputs? or is 3.3v enough |
| [14:12:19] | hti_pro: | that what i was thinkin |
| [14:12:23] | Dibblah: | A dual voltage card will have both slots cut. |
| [14:12:43] | Dibblah: | However, many, many cards are wrongly cut as dual voltage when they are not. |
| [14:12:50] | hti_pro: | It was a generic card, but said that it supports 3.3V, but says nothing of 5V |
| [14:13:03] | hti_pro: | it has only one cut |
| [14:13:23] | hti_pro: | looks just like the pci surveillance card that I have in another slot |
| [14:13:25] | Dibblah: | In which case, it physically won't fit into the wrong slot. |
| [14:13:48] | Dibblah: | Or, as previously mentioned, is incorrectly cut. |
| [14:15:24] | hti_pro: | So if it uses separate pins for 3.3 and 5.0 and assuming the 3.3V pin is dead in my server. The card has an input for powering firewire and usb devices over their respective cables, do you guys think that that power connector may help provide the 3.3V or probably a completely seperate circuit |
| [14:15:26] | hashbang: | Card keying |
| [14:15:26] | hashbang: | Typical PCI cards present either one or two key notches, depending on their signaling voltage. Cards requiring 3.3 volts have a notch 56.21mm from the rear of the card (where the external connectors are) while those requiring 5 volts have a notch 104.47mm from the rear of the card. So called "Universal cards" have both key notches and can accept both types of signal. |
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| [14:16:55] | Dibblah: | It's not about the power supply at all, usually. |
| [14:17:09] | Dibblah: | Since 5v / 3.3v lines are present on the connector. |
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| [14:17:23] | Dibblah: | It's about the level tolerances of the logic input / outputs. |
| [14:17:24] | hti_pro: | ok, what would be the kicker |
| [14:17:41] | Dibblah: | You'd need a level shifter for most of 50 connections. |
| [14:17:50] | hti_pro: | oh, the 3.3V card is looking for 3.3V IO and the 5.0V cards are looking for 5.0V io |
| [14:17:56] | Dibblah: | Yup. |
| [14:17:56] | hti_pro: | damn |
| [14:18:09] | Dibblah: | Yup. :) |
| [14:18:15] | PatrickDK: | it normally will work though :) |
| [14:18:21] | PatrickDK: | as most things made tollerate both |
| [14:18:26] | hti_pro: | this sucks, any one know of a good(hopefully cheap) USB2.0/Firewire combo card for 5.0V pci |
| [14:18:33] | PatrickDK: | but it will depend on your motherboard in this case |
| [14:18:46] | hashbang: | hti_pro: if it works at all, it'll work in the 32bit/33MHz slot |
| [14:18:51] | hti_pro: | apparently this card is strictly 3.3V |
| [14:18:59] | hti_pro: | hashbang yeah it doesn't |
| [14:19:15] | hti_pro: | there are some jumpers on the card, but i got no docs with it |
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| [14:20:03] | hti_pro: | its a real generic ebay card, I only got it because it was a VIA chipset |
| [14:22:26] | Dibblah: | The _really_ annoying ones are the dual-keyed cards that lock up the PCI bus on a 5v socket. |
| [14:24:14] | hti_pro: | I can't find any mfg info on the card, the only id marks are the chip numbers, but i know VIA did not make it |
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| [14:25:42] | cal_: | any way to get sound in the flash player on mythweb? |
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| [14:29:37] | justinh: | install a non-crippled ffmpeg |
| [14:30:45] | Dibblah: | You can't do that! |
| [14:30:50] | cal_: | justinh: mp3's work when i play them locally on the machine. so that cant be it? |
| [14:30:53] | Dibblah: | You'll have to pay license fees! |
| [14:31:06] | iamlindoro_: | cal_: Your logic is broken |
| [14:31:10] | PatrickDK: | what does mp3 have to do with mp3? |
| [14:31:15] | PatrickDK: | mp3 to do with flv? |
| [14:31:24] | iamlindoro_: | playback != creation |
| [14:31:37] | cal_: | i thought flash used mp3 codec for audio |
| [14:31:43] | justinh: | yeah it does |
| [14:31:49] | Dibblah: | PatrickDK: The FLV PROOF OF CONCEPT player transcodes. |
| [14:32:03] | Dibblah: | Sorry for the caps on PROOF OF CONCEPT ;) |
| [14:32:06] | justinh: | or rather the ffmpeg process spawned by the experimental flash streamer does |
| [14:32:11] | Dibblah: | But it's a PROOF OF CONCEPT ;) |
| [14:32:16] | cal_: | so thats why i figured its not an ffmpeg problem, since mp3 codec works locally on the mythtv box. |
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| [14:32:18] | ** iamlindoro_ suggests cal_ read the *giant red box* on the screen he ignored when activating the flv player ** | |
| [14:32:44] | iamlindoro_: | what's compiled into your ffmpeg has nothing to do with what playback codecs you have installed |
| [14:32:47] | justinh: | cal_: does your copy of ffmpeg support mp3? I bet it doesn't |
| [14:33:02] | justinh: | no point arguing dude, I'm right |
| [14:33:04] | Dibblah: | cal_: Unfortunately, in some cases, it's unfortunate that Linux is not Windows. |
| [14:33:15] | Dibblah: | In Windows, the codecs exist once and are reused. |
| [14:33:29] | justinh: | in linux.. you don't need codecs :P |
| [14:33:33] | cal_: | iamlindoro: oh, i read it. =) was just gonna see if there was a fix anyways. i was happy to even see video working! |
| [14:33:49] | Dibblah: | In Linux, the codecs exist everywhere seperately – Xine, mplayer, Myth, ffmpeg have different implementations (slightly). |
| [14:33:58] | justinh: | you read it and yet still come in asking? |
| [14:34:03] | justinh: | where's the cluebat? |
| [14:34:11] | hti_pro: | Dibblah: easy now those are fightin words |
| [14:34:20] | Dibblah: | And some crackpots think that stripping out mp3 makes them 'legal' from a licensing standpoint. |
| [14:34:30] | Dibblah: | Crackpot may be a little weak. |
| [14:35:05] | justinh: | Dibblah: yeah – it's hardly as if mp3 is the only thing ffmpeg is capable of which is contentious ;) |
| [14:35:19] | justinh: | or divx |
| [14:35:38] | cal_: | so what is the bottom line? if i install a different ffmpeg it may work? or I need to wait for the next release/fix update? |
| [14:35:49] | justinh: | cal_: get a non-crippled ffmpeg |
| [14:36:04] | PatrickDK: | heh, wait for the first release of ffmpeg :) |
| [14:36:04] | justinh: | build it yourself or find a repo with one |
| [14:36:12] | Dibblah: | Look for your 'non-free' collection in your repositories. |
| [14:36:23] | Dibblah: | Google will know how. |
| [14:36:46] | justinh: | ask in #ubuntu why they're disabling mp3 & divx support in their ffmpeg package when other codecs could just as easily land them in court |
| [14:37:06] | cal_: | hah |
| [14:37:08] | Dibblah: | divx too now? |
| [14:37:15] | Dibblah: | But they leave in wma? |
| [14:37:18] | cal_: | well, they have that medibunti site |
| [14:37:18] | Dibblah: | ... |
| [14:37:29] | PatrickDK: | justinh, they disable faac, amr, and a crapload of other stuff |
| [14:37:32] | Dibblah: | Crackpots. I can't think of a better word. |
| [14:37:32] | cal_: | medibuntu.. maybe that is worth a try |
| [14:37:53] | justinh: | ubuntu with a doctor's face mask ? |
| [14:38:12] | justinh: | oh.. a lame contraction of 'media' and 'ubuntu' |
| [14:38:51] | cal_: | mythbuntu has a setting in the control panel to turn on the ffmpeg stuff that doesnt come with ubuntu. i did that, and it installed ffmpeg, but it must be a broken one. |
| [14:38:55] | Dibblah: | If it's under the ubuntu banner, I'm pretty sure it won't have support for anything out of the box. |
| [14:39:28] | justinh: | try ffmpeg -formats |
| [14:39:48] | PatrickDK: | no, the ffmpeg from mythbuntu is still busted |
| [14:39:53] | PatrickDK: | you need the media-ubuntu one |
| [14:40:44] | cal_: | justinh: mp3 is in the formats lits |
| [14:40:47] | cal_: | list |
| [14:41:08] | cal_: | D A mp3 |
| [14:41:09] | justinh: | and the letters next to it? |
| [14:41:17] | justinh: | can't encode |
| [14:41:18] | PatrickDK: | so decode only |
| [14:41:23] | justinh: | bingo |
| [14:41:34] | justinh: | DE mp3 MPEG audio layer 3 DEA mp3 |
| [14:41:54] | cal_: | can you dcc me your ffmpeg? lol |
| [14:41:59] | cal_: | joking |
| [14:42:04] | PatrickDK: | just use media-ubuntu |
| [14:42:40] | cal_: | why would flash need to encode it? its not creating the file, its playing the file |
| [14:42:48] | cal_: | or is it transcoding it to a different format on the fly? |
| [14:42:52] | justinh: | the latter |
| [14:42:57] | ** PatrickDK smacks cal ** | |
| [14:43:11] | cal_: | ow! |
| [14:43:14] | justinh: | and squishing it to fit down a crappy interweb tube |
| [14:44:01] | cal_: | hopefully it doesnt create a new file every time i hit play, and instead looks for the old one. i hit play a lot on the same video, lol. |
| [14:44:43] | justinh: | no but you can be left with zombie ffmpeg processes |
| [14:45:24] | cal_: | yeah yeah... big red box and all. =) |
| [14:45:25] | iamlindoro: | apt-get install brainssssss |
| [14:45:44] | cal_: | mv iamlindoro /dev/null |
| [14:45:54] | justinh: | access denied |
| [14:46:19] | PatrickDK: | mv /dev/zero iamlindoro? |
| [14:46:20] | iamlindoro: | I meant for the zombie ffmpeg, sheesh |
| [14:46:50] | PatrickDK: | never ending files are more fun :) |
| [14:46:56] | cal_: | sudo chmod 777 iamlindo; > iamlindoro |
| [14:46:57] | cal_: | so there! |
| [14:46:59] | iamlindoro: | dpkg-reconfigure libsenseofhumor0 |
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| [14:53:23] | cal_: | "The packages installable on this page are not officially supported by Mythbuntu or ubuntu for legal reasons. The medibuntu team is responsible for them. they are only provided here for convenience to mythbuntu and ubuntu users." |
| [14:53:48] | cal_: | thats on the proprietary codecs page. when you click enable, it downloads ffmpeg from medibuntu |
| [14:54:43] | cal_: | so, patrick, i dont think i can use the one from medibuntu like you said, cause thats the one it already downloaded |
| [14:55:00] | PatrickDK: | heh? |
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| [14:55:21] | cal_: | <PatrickDK> just use media-ubuntu |
| [14:55:38] | PatrickDK: | the media-ubuntu one for me installed everything |
| [14:55:49] | justinh: | the packages here are monitored by the FBI. Downloading them will result in you being visited by black helicopers and will have a tracking device forcibly implanted into your nasal cavity. A screen memory of being abducted by aliens will replace the memories of what really happened and you will be dumped, naked in a redneck town |
| [14:56:03] | cal_: | justin, heh |
| [14:56:12] | PatrickDK: | I'm already naked in a redneck town :) |
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| [14:57:10] | cal_: | patrick: you did that from synaptic? |
| [14:57:21] | PatrickDK: | command line |
| [14:57:29] | PatrickDK: | I dunno what synaptic is |
| [14:57:43] | PatrickDK: | apt-get is your friend :) |
| [14:57:44] | cal_: | gui package manager |
| [14:57:48] | Lynet: | PatrickDK: Only thing missing is a *BSD t-shirt then. "Why you be wearing that there saytanic thingie?" |
| [14:58:34] | cal_: | patrick, yeah but you have to know the exact package name to use apt-get. no friendly gui listing |
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| [14:59:08] | PatrickDK: | that is what apt-cache search is for :) |
| [14:59:09] | keith4: | in case it was never figured out before I had to leave... xrandr can change metamodes with the nvidia driver |
| [14:59:37] | cal_: | oh? hmmm cool |
| [14:59:51] | keith4: | so, if you definte metamodes of "NULL,1024x768" and "1024x768,NULL", you can effectively use xrandr to toggle between two output devices |
| [15:00:54] | cal_: | hmm. apt-cache pkgnames | grep media |
| [15:01:38] | PatrickDK: | apt-cache search ffmpeg |
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| [15:02:36] | cal_: | not sure if pkgnames lists MY packages, or packages AVAILABLE. man pages are never helpful enough. |
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| [15:03:10] | keith4: | available packages |
| [15:03:33] | keith4: | what do you mean by *your* packages? |
| [15:03:41] | PatrickDK: | apt-cache search "the correct ffmpeg" :) |
| [15:03:43] | cal_: | packages i have installed |
| [15:03:59] | Nik_Doof: | dpkg -la is listing your installed packages |
| [15:04:07] | PatrickDK: | cal, are you running v8? |
| [15:05:00] | cal_: | gotta love it. apt-cache said ffmpeg is in the Medibuntu package. i did apt-get install Medibuntu, but it says it doesnt exist. |
| [15:05:43] | keith4: | Nik_Doof: I don't know what you think -a does, but it doesn't change the output of 'dpkg -l' at all |
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| [15:05:59] | cal_: | patrick: of what? 8.04 mythbuntu |
| [15:06:31] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [15:10:22] | Nik_Doof: | keith4: meh, habit :) |
| [15:11:24] | ** iamlindoro__ hangs a new sign over #mythtv-users.... "#debian-noobs... under new management." ** | |
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| [15:13:31] | iamlindoro__: | Hmmm, hope Hauppauge doesn't try to charge me for my preciousssssssss until my paycheck goes in tomorrow |
| [15:13:47] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [15:14:03] | GreyFoxx: | make sure you send janneg some love :) |
| [15:14:13] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, not a moment too soon, have seen random 5C'ed programs in the last week or so |
| [15:14:13] | cal_: | got the right ffmpeg. its working now. |
| [15:14:20] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, no doubt about it, he's got my love |
| [15:14:32] | Lynet: | iamlindoro: pvr-500? |
| [15:14:44] | justinh: | Lynet: no |
| [15:14:44] | iamlindoro__: | Lynet, HD-PVR |
| [15:14:45] | cal_: | patrick: does the slider work for you on the flash videos? |
| [15:15:50] | GreyFoxx: | califdreas: I don't think it does currently |
| [15:15:51] | iamlindoro__: | the flash player won't do seeking past the point it has reached in transcoding |
| [15:15:58] | GreyFoxx: | you can go back, but not forward |
| [15:16:53] | cal_: | ahh |
| [15:16:55] | califdreas: | GreyFoxx: you rang? |
| [15:17:02] | PatrickDK: | flash video's? |
| [15:17:09] | cal_: | yeah |
| [15:17:11] | ** PatrickDK notes cal needs help ** | |
| [15:17:12] | GreyFoxx: | cali No, nick autocomplete did it :) |
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| [15:17:27] | PatrickDK: | I don't run X, I don't do flash, I don't use mythtv 0.21 (yet) |
| [15:17:30] | Dibblah: | Ah, the good old grocer's apostrophe. |
| [15:17:34] | califdreas: | gotta love autocompletion :) |
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| [15:17:46] | justinh: | gotta hate lazy users :P |
| [15:18:02] | cal_: | grey: does it work with the asx stream with vlc? |
| [15:18:02] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, lord knows justdave does ;) |
| [15:18:16] | GreyFoxx: | califdreas: That would likely work |
| [15:18:21] | GreyFoxx: | damn |
| [15:18:25] | cal_: | who the hell is califdreas lol |
| [15:18:27] | GreyFoxx: | cal_ That would likely work |
| [15:18:31] | califdreas: | hate is such a strong word. |
| [15:18:40] | califdreas: | but then again.... yeah! :D |
| [15:19:13] | justdave: | :) |
| [15:19:56] | cal_: | meh |
| [15:19:59] | justinh: | c*** is a strong word :) |
| [15:20:07] | cal_: | grey: vlc isnt letting me go forward _or_ back |
| [15:20:14] | cal_: | can you try it? |
| [15:20:22] | iamlindoro__: | justdave, you should change your nick to "notyouraveragedave" or something and avoid the annoyance ;) |
| [15:20:25] | justinh: | why you woh go bah? |
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| [15:21:04] | GreyFoxx: | califdreas: I don't have vlc on this machine :) |
| [15:21:04] | iamlindoro__: | hahahahaha |
| [15:21:10] | ** GreyFoxx disables autocomplete ** | |
| [15:21:16] | cal_: | heh okay |
| [15:21:22] | iamlindoro__: | awesome considering the lineage of justinh's nick |
| [15:21:25] | califdreas: | now, that is a smart move, GreyFoxx |
| [15:21:26] | evadtsuj: | I think justinh tried that trick a couple weeks ago, it didn't work well. :) |
| [15:21:40] | justinh is now known as evadtsuj2 | |
| [15:22:09] | evadtsuj: | easier to just live with it, easy enough to figure out who you meant by context |
| [15:22:12] | evadtsuj2: | ahem |
| [15:22:19] | ** GreyFoxx needs to sit down and figure out why this video stutters in playback ** | |
| [15:22:20] | evadtsuj2 is now known as justinh | |
| [15:23:03] | califdreas: | i'm back to watching house. |
| [15:23:10] | evadtsuj is now known as justdave | |
| [15:23:58] | ** justdave has been justdave since he was on GEnie 15 years ago ** | |
| [15:24:13] | iamlindoro__: | ah the good old days |
| [15:24:24] | iamlindoro__: | when 12454523,23432423@cs.com was a bitchin e-mail address |
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| [15:25:50] | GreyFoxx: | I know the feeling, I've been GreyFoxx" for 19 years, and 17 of those on IRC |
| [15:25:57] | Lynet: | Well, peronally I'm soo envious of whoever managed to snatch up dot@dotat.at |
| [15:26:01] | GreyFoxx: | It's amazing how attached to the nick you get :) |
| [15:26:07] | ** justinh laughs ** | |
| [15:26:48] | iamlindoro__: | I think my first e-mail address was on FidoNet... but I was too busy playing Legend of the Red Dragon |
| [15:27:48] | GreyFoxx: | My first email was on a BBS, that logged in once or twice a day and downloaded/sent everyones email which we then read in downloaded QWK packets :) |
| [15:27:58] | iamlindoro__: | Yup! |
| [15:28:01] | iamlindoro__: | same here |
| [15:28:02] | justdave: | that sounds about right :) |
| [15:28:29] | justdave: | cheezwhiz@antimatter.ecore.fnet.org was me |
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| [15:28:32] | Lynet: | Oh, QWK.. |
| [15:28:58] | ** justinh is not revealing his old email address due to incriminating archives ** | |
| [15:29:11] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [15:29:27] | ** justdave eventually ran the internet gateway for ecore.fnet.org and euro.fnet.org for a while ** | |
| [15:29:29] | Lynet: | justinh: Let me guess.. alt.fan.warlord or alt.flame? ;-p |
| [15:29:32] | GreyFoxx: | all I gotta do is search my real name and it finds those hehe along with a bunch of old pascal/asm code I use to put out heh |
| [15:30:02] | justdave: | call in to the local ISP twice a day to exchange mail and usenet traffic |
| [15:30:20] | justinh: | Lynet: prolly not as bad as that actually |
| [15:30:31] | justdave: | the hub for euro.fnet.org would call me every night to grab the mail for that region |
| [15:30:35] | justinh: | certainly more 'normal' IMHO :P |
| [15:31:01] | justdave: | (international long distance was expensive back then – he must have had money to burn :) |
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| [15:31:36] | justdave: | alt.2600 |
| [15:32:07] | ** justdave notes the silence ;) ** | |
| [15:34:12] | ** Lynet is saving all his cycles for make. ** | |
| [15:34:15] | keith4: | coincidence |
| [15:35:00] | iamlindoro__: | we're all busy holding our blue boxes up to the line for a few more minutes of sweet sweet dialup |
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| [15:35:37] | hti_pro: | is there a way to force a display into power saver mode |
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| [15:36:08] | justinh: | blue boxes? hahah no such luck in the UK |
| [15:36:39] | hti_pro: | blue boxes??? like Jolly Roger type of blue boxes |
| [15:37:14] | iamlindoro__: | yes, that kind. We're discussing our assorted old-schoolness |
| [15:37:27] | hti_pro: | i see, very old school |
| [15:37:48] | hti_pro: | blue box is not of much use anywhere anymore I don't think |
| [15:38:39] | hti_pro: | I always enjoyed the so-called muave box, i think, generate tones of which can make people physically ill |
| [15:39:01] | hti_pro: | always wondered if that actually worked |
| [15:41:08] | hti_pro: | no i am wrong, not muave, cant find info on it anymore |
| [15:41:16] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.criticalsecurity.net/index.php?showtopic=16010 |
| [15:41:20] | iamlindoro__: | You just can't spell mauve ;) |
| [15:41:30] | hti_pro: | i cant spell my own name |
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| [15:43:29] | hti_pro: | the one im thinkin of generated tones that caused migraine headaches, and physical sickness to anyone listening |
| [15:44:18] | justinh: | ah those boxes. a boombox playing a maria carey CD |
| [15:44:37] | iamlindoro__: | hahahah |
| [15:45:11] | iamlindoro__: | Not to be indelicate, but I'd still hit that |
| [15:45:17] | iamlindoro__: | Even if she is a nutbag |
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| [15:46:19] | justinh: | yeah, me too but only once she'd been silenced :P |
| [15:46:54] | Lynet: | "And the nominees for best muted music video are..." |
| [15:47:39] | justinh: | Cher, Celine Dion, Leona Lewis... |
| [15:48:17] | justinh: | actually no! the 1st two would be in the powered off section |
| [15:48:52] | hti_pro: | silenced, I'll take care of that, besides I'll have that b$%# singin by the time im done |
| [15:51:15] | Lynet: | Oh, ./configure in 0.21-fixes doesn't spot missing libxv-dev and libxxf86vm-dev. |
| [15:51:44] | iamlindoro__: | configure's job isn't to check every dependency |
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| [15:52:02] | justinh: | that'd be make's job :P |
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| [15:59:40] | Lynet: | Hmm. First run of make complains about missing DBD::Mysql and Date::Manip, but second run doesn't complain. Are they not needed? |
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| [16:00:28] | justinh: | sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins |
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| [16:02:44] | Lynet: | justinh: Thanks. So.. Where do I go to register my membership in ubuntu-noobs anonymous? |
| [16:03:11] | justinh: | /dev/null |
| [16:03:21] | iamlindoro__: | Just joining #ubuntu ought to be adequate ;) |
| [16:03:34] | hti_pro: | what is the equivelant of xset for console w/o x |
| [16:03:34] | justinh: | or soul-destroying.. whichever |
| [16:03:48] | hti_pro: | i want to force dpms off in console |
| [16:04:38] | justinh: | "welcome to #ubuntu. so you picked ubuntu and have had some trouble with it. let us ignoring you be so frustrating that you go use archlinux instead" |
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| [16:05:12] | justinh: | "or worse still, CentOS" |
| [16:05:39] | Lynet: | #ubuntu isn't that horrible, compared to say #xorg. |
| [16:06:01] | cal_: | why u dissen ubuntu man |
| [16:06:02] | justinh: | wow. #xorg must be really bad |
| [16:06:06] | iamlindoro__: | #debian |
| [16:06:18] | iamlindoro__: | the support channel where you'd better know everything already |
| [16:06:19] | justinh: | not dissen ubuntu. nor am I *dissing* ubuntu |
| [16:06:31] | justinh: | #ubuntu is being dissed :) |
| [16:06:42] | cal_: | oh, heh |
| [16:06:47] | justinh: | it's almost as bad as #alsa |
| [16:07:07] | hti_pro: | iamlindoro: hey sometimes i get that feeling from people in here |
| [16:07:18] | justinh: | I like the ubuntu "linux for human beings" tag |
| [16:07:24] | justinh: | what would other distros use? |
| [16:07:36] | califdreas: | are you guys making this up? |
| [16:07:41] | PatrickDK: | linux for monkeys? |
| [16:07:50] | hti_pro: | linux for Bill Gates |
| [16:07:55] | iamlindoro__: | hti_pro, but in here we're at least *hilarious* |
| [16:08:02] | cal_: | archlinux "Linux for ubergeeks" |
| [16:08:07] | hti_pro: | i can't deny that |
| [16:08:11] | justinh: | califdreas: you ever ventured into #ubuntu ? |
| [16:08:17] | hti_pro: | and only occasionally do i feel that way |
| [16:08:28] | califdreas: | nope. never had a reason to. |
| [16:08:42] | cal_: | justinh: not for a long while. |
| [16:08:48] | hti_pro: | #ubuntu is basically just a chat channel for anything not linux |
| [16:09:13] | justinh: | I did once. got bored waiting for the user list to load |
| [16:09:19] | PatrickDK: | just like this channel is for everything #ubuntu related :) |
| [16:09:27] | hti_pro: | exactly |
| [16:09:35] | califdreas: | hti_pro: so basically not different from this cannel, then? |
| [16:09:46] | justinh: | seems to be sometimes |
| [16:09:56] | justinh: | I'm glad #ubuntu-mythtv exists now |
| [16:10:18] | cal_: | yeah and i just asked a question in there. and it was answered =) |
| [16:10:30] | hti_pro: | califdreas: no no much different, we have fun in here and actually help people, we only chat loosely when it is necessary to keep the channel alive |
| [16:10:54] | hti_pro: | justinh: i have had good luck with ubuntu-mythtv |
| [16:10:59] | cal_: | it turns out mythbuntu has two screen savers running. doh. |
| [16:11:06] | califdreas: | mabe i should make a channel opensuse10.3-with-some-updates-mythtv |
| [16:11:45] | hti_pro: | we need a channel called #linux-when-we-feel-like-it |
| [16:11:59] | cal_: | i can remember when there was basicly just slackware and everyone just went to efnet #Linux |
| [16:12:17] | califdreas: | hti_pro: I'm all for it |
| [16:13:09] | hti_pro: | and it is so |
| [16:13:40] | califdreas: | it seems like these days everyone is using some derivative of ubuntu. |
| [16:14:17] | califdreas: | it must either be really good or really hype or both. |
| [16:14:58] | justinh: | MS: "come, pinky. we must prepare for tomorrow night". Pinky: "Why, Mark – what are we gonna do tomorrow night?" ... |
| [16:14:58] | hti_pro: | it is easy |
| [16:15:00] | hti_pro: | period |
| [16:15:37] | iamlindoro__: | with the exception of laga and superm1, #ubuntu-mythtv hands out some of the worst misinformation I've ever seen |
| [16:15:53] | hti_pro: | you install and it usually just works, if not for that it is basically debian, a little behind but quite stable |
| [16:16:04] | justinh: | "nvidia are crap".. hahahha |
| [16:16:08] | hti_pro: | yes superm1 is the king |
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| [16:16:45] | jarle: | iamlindoro: what kind of misinformation? |
| [16:17:13] | justinh: | jarle: "famicom> MythbuntuGuest92 dont use nvidia |
| [16:17:14] | justinh: | [10:36] <famicom> its shit |
| [16:17:15] | justinh: | [10:36] <famicom> get an ati amd card" |
| [16:17:18] | califdreas: | hti_pro: when I wanted to try it some years ago it was simplified to a point I did not like. |
| [16:17:29] | justinh: | that kind of misinformation, for one |
| [16:17:50] | califdreas: | I then tried gentoo and got the complete opposite, which I did not like either. |
| [16:17:55] | iamlindoro__: | jarle, justinh's quote is pretty par for the course-- no indictment of those in there who *are* giving out good advice, but they're often the exception rather than the rule in there, it seems |
| [16:18:24] | Lynet: | califdreas: gentoo is for people who believe that --fomit-obscure-gcc-flag is the way to salvation. |
| [16:18:30] | hti_pro: | califdreas: it is made for people addicted to XP/Vista, I like pure debian, like i said the stable repos are a little behind, but you always have backports |
| [16:18:58] | justinh: | if nvidia turn out to be inferior to ATI I'll say so when asked but until then... |
| [16:19:02] | justinh: | tell it like it is |
| [16:19:22] | hti_pro: | califdreas: Debian is my favorite by far, not too simple, very configurable, and a very nice server distro |
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| [16:21:21] | califdreas: | hti_pro: Well, I should probably try something debian-based, just to see how the package-management works. |
| [16:22:06] | hti_pro: | apt is great, stick with the pure debian though, Ubuntu is debian based, and so is alot of other jokes, if you find a good derivative though let me know |
| [16:22:42] | califdreas: | Lynet: what is that obscure thing you mentioned: "-fomit-obscure"? |
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| [16:24:55] | Lynet: | It's alive, muhahahaha. |
| [16:26:05] | califdreas: | lol. gotta kill it off, then. |
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| [16:53:00] | hti_pro: | alright everyone the channel #linux-when-we-feel-like-it is ready. This is the hot spot for those people that want to talk about everything off-topic. check it out. |
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| [16:53:16] | iamlindoro__: | *cricket* |
| [16:53:42] | hti_pro: | next time you run into one of those long winded survivor junkies (no offense) just send them here |
| [16:54:38] | justinh: | *tumbleweed* |
| [16:54:46] | ** hti_pro yawns ** | |
| [16:56:36] | hti_pro: | so will myth work with out window manager if using lirc for control |
| [16:57:59] | ** hti_pro strokes tiny almost non-existent go-tee ** | |
| [16:58:01] | iamlindoro__: | only if you don't spawn any external processes like mplayer,etc |
| [16:58:21] | hti_pro: | which is more efficient mplayer or internal |
| [16:58:26] | hti_pro: | i heard that mplayer was |
| [16:58:37] | hti_pro: | and what can i expect if using mplayer |
| [16:58:54] | iamlindoro__: | you can expect that none of your lirc keypresses will register |
| [16:59:11] | iamlindoro__: | mplayer has a slight edge in speed, but if you have enough overhead speed, internal generally works perfectly |
| [16:59:57] | hti_pro: | well i'm runnin low on resources right now, bout to split BE/FE will be runnin on only 128MB ram |
| [17:01:01] | hti_pro: | I am getting rid of window manager and myth will be the only process running under X so i think the trade off should be well worth it and internal should run just as good as mplayer with window manager, gnome, etc |
| [17:01:06] | hti_pro: | right?? |
| [17:01:31] | ** iamlindoro__ hands hti_pro $10 to buy more RAM ** | |
| [17:01:42] | ** sphery wants a handout, too ** | |
| [17:01:57] | hti_pro: | oh no, i'm sorry, it takes rambus your gonna have to do that about 15 more times |
| [17:02:00] | iamlindoro__: | I'm not going to speculate on how well that machine will run except to generally say "poorly." |
| [17:02:26] | hti_pro: | it does with mixed BE/FE, but it didn't do too bad when it was just an FE |
| [17:02:56] | hti_pro: | It is also a borrowed computer, so it is only there until I get my XBOX modded and XBMC installed |
| [17:02:59] | ** iamlindoro__ hands sphery a dollar for being.... spherical. ** | |
| [17:03:01] | ** justinh hands out some heroin to whoever wants it ** | |
| [17:03:33] | ** hti_pro passes out sterile needles ** | |
| [17:04:10] | ** hti_pro doesnt keep one for himself ** | |
| [17:04:18] | hti_pro: | anyways |
| [17:04:46] | hti_pro: | i think the trade off should make the switch to internal player w/no WM worth it |
| [17:05:11] | hti_pro: | any objections |
| [17:05:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: actually means, "Of or pertaining to the celestial spheres" (all my systems in my network are named after celestial bodies)--but thanks for the $1, anyway. :) |
| [17:06:03] | hti_pro: | thats original |
| [17:06:33] | hti_pro: | sorry :) |
| [17:07:35] | hti_pro: | anyone have any comment |
| [17:08:43] | hti_pro: | complaints |
| [17:08:59] | hti_pro: | recomendations |
| [17:09:07] | hti_pro: | hostile threats |
| [17:11:46] | hti_pro: | booooooooooooooooooobs (echos back many times) |
| [17:11:56] | hti_pro: | man its quiet in here |
| [17:12:04] | gnome42: | hti_pro: choice of frontend themes greatly effects the memory useage on the frontend |
| [17:12:22] | hti_pro: | ok, what should be the lightest FE |
| [17:12:49] | gnome42: | not sure :) I think maybe G.A.N.T is lean |
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| [17:13:17] | hti_pro: | i switched to Blue from G.A.N.T. because it was horribly slow |
| [17:13:29] | Mousey: | I'm BACK!! |
| [17:13:57] | ** hti_pro screams like a girl ** | |
| [17:14:01] | hti_pro: | A MOUSE!!!!!!!!!! |
| [17:14:10] | Mousey: | ^_^ |
| [17:14:47] | gnome42: | Anyone (running 0.21) still experiencing livetv file transition issues? like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5261 |
| [17:15:18] | gnome42: | I'm looking for someone who can reproduce the problem to test a patch or two :) |
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| [17:18:34] | sphery: | hti_pro: I think Iulius is the smallest footprint |
| [17:19:09] | sphery: | G.A.N.T (which is now missing a period because of stupid Windows) is pretty processor intensive because of the alphapulse |
| [17:19:25] | gnome42: | sphery: thanks for the correction. Good to know :) |
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| [17:20:56] | sphery: | not necessarily a correction--I'm not positive about Iulius, but I think that's what Janne found when he was testing after gbee's theme-memory-reduction fix. |
| [17:22:28] | sshirley: | Hi all. I have a question about hard drive performance in MythTV. I have SATA (3gb) drives and a SATA DVD drive. The DVD seems not to keep up sometimes and the think the video playback off the hdd could be better. Is hdparm the key to tuning or sdparm? |
| [17:22:49] | hti_pro: | sdparm for sata |
| [17:23:06] | hti_pro: | don't know options for it though |
| [17:23:24] | hti_pro: | isn't the .xinitrc file the one that is run everytime you run startx |
| [17:24:12] | gnome42: | sphery: Yeah, I was just guessing about G.A.N.T. I still say a little thank-you to gbee when I fireup the frontend :) |
| [17:25:42] | sshirley: | hti_pro: I thought that might be the case. I noticed that sdparm isn't even installed on the system (mythbuntu) but rather hdparm. I guess I should install sdparm and uninstall hdparm. |
| [17:26:11] | hti_pro: | you don't need to uninstall hdparm i don't believe |
| [17:26:17] | hti_pro: | but you will need sdparm |
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| [17:28:26] | sshirley: | hti_pro: Funny that when Ubuntu saw SATA drives, it didn't install sdparm. |
| [17:28:59] | keith4: | uh, your SATA disk can't keep up with video playback? you must have some serious problems somewhere |
| [17:29:30] | hti_pro: | hti_pro: it should, but it is geared toward people who don't tend to use the command line much, ie. Windows addicts |
| [17:31:15] | hti_pro: | thats classic i just put my own name in there |
| [17:31:25] | hti_pro: | sshirley: ^^^ |
| [17:31:27] | loops: | what's the difference between "Disable Auto Expire" and "Preserve this Episode" storage options? |
| [17:32:50] | hti_pro: | what is the file that will run when you log onto bash |
| [17:32:52] | sshirley: | keith4: During video playback, it just skips a bit (mostly when playing HD files) |
| [17:32:54] | hti_pro: | .initrc |
| [17:32:55] | hti_pro: | ?? |
| [17:33:13] | iamlindoro__: | .bashrc |
| [17:33:54] | hti_pro: | now how do i automatically have a user login on boot |
| [17:34:19] | iamlindoro__: | depends on your wm, google knows |
| [17:35:08] | hti_pro: | no wm |
| [17:35:16] | hti_pro: | i want to auto login a user to bash |
| [17:35:19] | hti_pro: | on boot |
| [17:36:00] | gnome42: | hti_pro: autologin to X can be done with gdm |
| [17:36:24] | hti_pro: | i am not running gdm though, just a simple X server running a single process |
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| [17:41:42] | hti_pro: | nothing on an auto console login |
| [17:42:58] | sphery: | hti_pro: there are some (only slightly wrong) solutions on the wiki |
| [17:43:10] | sphery: | gdm/xdm are less wrong |
| [17:43:19] | hti_pro: | wrong??? |
| [17:44:06] | hti_pro: | what makes them wrong?? |
| [17:47:09] | ** hti_pro feels a dime drop to the floor ** | |
| [17:48:08] | sphery: | The one that says not to run a window manager is completely broken--if you do that, don't complain when your system doesn't work. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Auto_Login |
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| [17:48:17] | sshirley: | iamlindo: when are you getting the new hauppauge hd-pvr? |
| [17:48:59] | hti_pro: | im doing it on my own no guide |
| [17:49:30] | sphery: | ? |
| [17:50:04] | hti_pro: | I'm not following a guide currently, so I am not following the broken methods of these guides you send |
| [17:50:16] | iamlindoro__: | sshirley, whenever they ship it to me ;) Theoretically shipping starts thursday |
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| [17:50:32] | Mousey: | good linux support? |
| [17:50:44] | iamlindoro__: | Sure, once there is any |
| [17:50:49] | GreyFoxx: | Mouse: There is none at the moment |
| [17:50:49] | sphery: | hti_pro: they're not broken, they're just not perfect. The xdm/gdm approach is best. |
| [17:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | but it's close :) |
| [17:51:17] | sphery: | Mousey: you should check the archive of the channel logs (from about this time, yesterday) |
| [17:51:28] | Mousey: | k |
| [17:51:29] | GreyFoxx: | Someone with a dev unit was planning on releasing adriver and patch for myth in the next couple days |
| [17:51:31] | sshirley: | iamlindoro: Sweet! Let me know how that works out for you. I am thinking about it myself. I REALLY want to record HD content. Now how does it connect to your PC? |
| [17:51:36] | Mousey: | yay! |
| [17:51:41] | iamlindoro__: | sshirley, via USB |
| [17:51:55] | sphery: | Of course, they start shipping on May 1, so there may be support before you get one. |
| [17:52:15] | hti_pro: | sphery: you may be right, I am just trying to get every last bit of performance from a "set-top box" |
| [17:52:25] | sshirley: | iamlindoro: Really? That's all? |
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| [17:53:12] | iamlindoro__: | sshirley, Yep... why would it need more, it's only up to 13.5 Mbit/s |
| [17:53:15] | ** GreyFoxx pffftss at using a gdm/xdm on a dedicated mythbox ** | |
| [17:53:29] | sshirley: | True |
| [17:54:16] | sshirley: | Very nice. I'll try to see what kind of channel I can get from the STB (once I get it). If it's not satisfactory, then I'll get the hd-pvr, |
| [17:57:39] | sphery: | loops: I think the preserve flag is used with MaxEpisodes recording rules (i.e. only 3 episodes allowed, and you want it to keep this one) |
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| [17:58:56] | sphery: | hti_pro: any of the solutions on that page are fine as long as you a) make sure you have a proper environment (i.e. run a login shell) and b) make sure you run a window manager (RatPoison is only 300kB). |
| [17:59:27] | sphery: | the parts of that page that are wrong/broken are those parts that suggest not doing one or both of the above |
| [17:59:50] | sphery: | gdm/xdm makes sure you get a valid login shell--the other approaches it's up to you to make sure you do. |
| [18:00:18] | hti_pro: | it is for a set top box, so logins are out of the question |
| [18:01:35] | GreyFoxx: | hti I do the following : http://www.pastebin.ca/1001990 |
| [18:01:57] | GreyFoxx: | I let it boot up in text/console mode, but run startx at the end of my rc.local |
| [18:02:16] | GreyFoxx: | it launches as the mythtv user, and I have the window manager auto start mythfrontend |
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| [18:02:37] | GreyFoxx: | no gdm/xdm, no login procedure at all |
| [18:02:53] | hti_pro: | ok, I have it working without a window manager and it seems to do just fine, should i be expecting problems |
| [18:02:56] | GreyFoxx: | and if I want to skip the myth login I just pass "noautologin" at the bootmanager prompt |
| [18:03:04] | GreyFoxx: | yes you should expect problems |
| [18:03:13] | GreyFoxx: | use at least a minimal wm |
| [18:03:21] | GreyFoxx: | icewm, blackbox, icebox, something |
| [18:03:33] | GreyFoxx: | no need for pigs like kde or gnome |
| [18:03:50] | hti_pro: | what about ratpoison |
| [18:03:58] | hti_pro: | as sphery suggested |
| [18:04:08] | GreyFoxx: | never used it personally, but I would trust his recommendation of it |
| [18:04:38] | hti_pro: | what kind of probs should i expect without wm |
| [18:04:56] | GreyFoxx: | mainly focus issues |
| [18:05:06] | GreyFoxx: | windows not being at the forfront |
| [18:05:14] | sphery: | hti_pro: I'm actually using FluxBox (I like it better), but it has a bigger memory footprint (about 1MB). See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . _only_box.3F |
| [18:05:19] | GreyFoxx: | keyboard/remote entry not going to the app you expect |
| [18:05:37] | sphery: | hti_pro: GreyFoxx's approach works fine as it uses a proper login shell |
| [18:06:25] | hti_pro: | what if i only use myths internal player so then it would be the only app that could get focus |
| [18:06:30] | sphery: | Basically, you should use a WM if you use windows (and Myth does :) |
| [18:06:38] | sphery: | Myth still has multiple windows |
| [18:07:13] | GreyFoxx: | hti: If you very launch and external app (including mythgame and such) you can have problems, including mytharchive and likely others |
| [18:07:22] | GreyFoxx: | is not worth saving the 1meg of ram to avoid a wm |
| [18:07:35] | sphery: | or 300kB for RatPoison |
| [18:07:50] | GreyFoxx: | yeah that's crazy small |
| [18:08:06] | sphery: | and RatPoison's design is also perfect for a STB (i.e. maximize all windows) |
| [18:08:11] | hti_pro: | ok, well the reason i want as little overhead as possible is cuz right now i am stuck with 128MB ram |
| [18:08:31] | GreyFoxx: | hti: all but 1 of my frontends have 128meg of ram |
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| [18:08:42] | GreyFoxx: | that one hsa 2 gig, but the rest are all hardware limited to 128 |
| [18:09:09] | sphery: | If you're ever within 300kB of needing more memory, you already need more memory (at some times), so... |
| [18:09:09] | GreyFoxx: | I use icewm, and might move to ratpoison if it's that small :) |
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| [18:09:58] | sphery: | the 300kB is "incremental" cost (after accounting for shared libraries that are already used by, i.e. X, Myth, etc.) |
| [18:10:13] | Mousey: | say uh, would old firmwares slow down my playback? |
| [18:10:22] | sphery: | PVR-350? |
| [18:10:28] | Mousey: | yea! how'd you know? |
| [18:10:42] | sphery: | only one I could expect a firmware to affect. :) |
| [18:10:51] | Mousey: | so it is possible! |
| [18:11:07] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: what is the dvd ring buffer? |
| [18:11:14] | sphery: | I have to admit I've been away from the ivtv lists for a while, but last I knew, you used the firmware for which the drivers were developed (and anything else was just crazy). |
| [18:11:23] | Mousey: | srsly, i went from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24 and from .20 to .21 and YE GODZ did my frontend begin mad fail |
| [18:11:26] | sphery: | I think, now, they actually require you to use a specific firmware. |
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| [18:11:44] | famicom: | lo there |
| [18:11:45] | Mousey: | rly |
| [18:11:52] | Mousey: | k, i'll do more homework on the subject |
| [18:11:53] | famicom: | >_> |
| [18:12:00] | famicom: | I got a bit of a problem |
| [18:12:03] | dustybin: | my frontend is rock solid (and my myth front end) |
| [18:12:05] | sphery: | Mousey: It's more likely a problem with your playback profiles |
| [18:12:17] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles |
| [18:12:18] | famicom: | Before i blew up my pvr, i did a quick export of channels.conf |
| [18:12:22] | Mousey: | sphery: well i set them to cpu-- and it works better, but not as good as it used to |
| [18:12:30] | sphery: | Mousey: Slim |
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| [18:12:38] | Mousey: | slim, huh.. i'll try that next. ty! |
| [18:12:55] | famicom: | now that i have reinstalled my machine, i inserted my previous dump of channels.conf into my database |
| [18:13:05] | famicom: | but now I can't get a proper lock on any channel |
| [18:13:07] | Mousey: | srsly tho, it ran better on my 433MHz celeron |
| [18:13:22] | GreyFoxx: | dust: Just the code that reads from the DVD and feeds it to the regular decoder |
| [18:13:23] | sphery: | Mousey: Slim is basically the 0.20 software-rendered (Xv) output. Note that it's not PVR-350 decoder (which doesn't work all that well, anymore), but it's still on the PVR-350 output. |
| [18:13:25] | ** Mousey quits bitching and makes a note to test ** | |
| [18:13:27] | famicom: | Mousey create your own profile kthnxhbai |
| [18:13:35] | ** gnome42 goes to try out fluxbox ** | |
| [18:13:51] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: can that code cause audio stutter? |
| [18:14:06] | GreyFoxx: | Any code could cause audio stutter :) |
| [18:14:12] | dustybin: | aye ok :D |
| [18:14:14] | Mousey: | famicom: is this the part where i start bitching about the profiles thing being too complicated for my tiny brain? |
| [18:14:23] | famicom: | sigh |
| [18:14:26] | Mousey: | ^_^ |
| [18:14:32] | Mousey: | i like the old way better |
| [18:14:35] | Mousey: | </bitch> |
| [18:14:36] | famicom: | quick question |
| [18:14:55] | famicom: | if you managed to insstall mythtv, how on earth can you not have the skills to fix a profile |
| [18:15:02] | dustybin: | ive been using mythtv for about 2+ years, and its only now that i can say that for me, its pretty dam stable |
| [18:15:15] | sphery: | Mousey: But the old way didn't allow users to configure things they had no business configuring (because they didn't understand). The Myth users want infinite configurability, so... |
| [18:16:18] | sphery: | Actually, I think the playback profiles are good, but I also believe that people should do more to help document the effects of the changes. |
| [18:16:29] | Mousey: | uh huh. yea.. half my kingdom for somebody to have had the wisdom to put "basic" and "advanced" tabs |
| [18:16:30] | sphery: | Most people just figure something out, get it working, and give up. |
| [18:16:43] | famicom: | NOT ME |
| [18:16:45] | famicom: | OH NO |
| [18:16:54] | sphery: | (some get it kind-of working and give up) |
| [18:17:01] | dustybin: | on my 24" CRT widescreen, when text / or white verticle edges are close to the edge, it bends, and the text kind of goes out of focus, is this a common thing in regards to widescreen CRT ? |
| [18:17:05] | Mousey: | some just bitch |
| [18:17:32] | ** Mousey bitches and fucks with it til it works ** | |
| [18:17:39] | Mousey: | sorry for my french |
| [18:17:45] | Mousey: | (and sorry french folks) |
| [18:18:42] | sphery: | famicom: if you mean, "Can I get a screenshot of ..." run mythfrontend with: NO_XV=1 mythfrontend |
| [18:18:45] | hti_pro: | hey sphery, ratpoison description says its a keyboard only, it does work with lirc right |
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| [18:18:58] | sphery: | It will be terrible playback performance, but you can get a screen shot |
| [18:19:06] | famicom: | sphery no |
| [18:19:30] | sphery: | hti_pro: it just means you don't need a stupid mouse |
| [18:19:33] | famicom: | i get a message saying "You should have gotten a channel lock by now" |
| [18:19:34] | hti_pro: | ok |
| [18:19:36] | sphery: | which is perfect for an STB |
| [18:19:38] | dustybin: | on mythweb, do you think it would be better to have little boxes you can tick so one can delete a load of recordings in one hit rather than doing each one individually? |
| [18:20:01] | famicom: | but that is impoossible seeing as Its a channel i dont have access for with my dvb-c smartcard |
| [18:20:07] | sphery: | famicom: you mean remove that screen from Myth? |
| [18:20:11] | famicom: | yeah |
| [18:20:20] | famicom: | that and it complains about video sources but htere is only 1 to begin with |
| [18:20:27] | xris: | dustybin: not much different. it's not like the delete operation is blocking |
| [18:20:30] | sphery: | famicom: why not fix the problem, not the symptom? |
| [18:20:34] | hti_pro: | sphery can i just start ratpoison in my .xinitrc file before mythfrontend |
| [18:21:07] | famicom: | sphery there is no problem |
| [18:21:18] | GreyFoxx: | hti: No, cause it wont continue until ratpoision exits |
| [18:21:24] | famicom: | just a redundant screen telling me false information on something htat i allready know |
| [18:21:31] | hti_pro: | oh, is there a guide for this |
| [18:21:35] | GreyFoxx: | put ratpoision in your .xinitrc and configure ratpoision to start myth |
| [18:21:51] | hti_pro: | ok any idea what the rc file would be for ratpoison |
| [18:22:17] | hti_pro: | or how about ratpoison & mythfrontend |
| [18:22:19] | sphery: | hti_pro: other way works, too. When do you want X to exit? When mythfrontend exits or when WM exits? |
| [18:22:25] | famicom: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ratpoison |
| [18:22:26] | hti_pro: | or will ratpoison still not pick up myth |
| [18:22:31] | famicom: | have fun reading kids |
| [18:22:55] | GreyFoxx: | hti: as he mentions you can use & but X would exit when myth does, |
| [18:22:57] | hti_pro: | i actually would like it to restart if mythfrontend exits |
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| [18:23:13] | GreyFoxx: | hti: personally I have mythfrontend being called from a looping script |
| [18:23:14] | sphery: | famicom: I think you need to change the channel lock timeout |
| [18:23:26] | famicom: | can't i just disable it |
| [18:23:29] | hti_pro: | thats fine myth is the only thing that will be used |
| [18:23:34] | famicom: | OR |
| [18:23:39] | famicom: | sphery are you a developer? |
| [18:23:55] | sphery: | hti_pro: in that case, it's easiest to start ratpoison, then start mythfrontend (last) in your .xinitrc. |
| [18:23:58] | GreyFoxx: | hti: I use the following http://www.pastebin.ca/1002012 |
| [18:24:16] | GreyFoxx: | my wm calls runfe.sh when it starts |
| [18:24:24] | GreyFoxx: | then if my frontend dies it sleeps 5 seconds and restarts |
| [18:24:37] | GreyFoxx: | I have a seperate one if I want it to run it in gdb and grab a backtrace |
| [18:24:47] | hti_pro: | ok |
| [18:24:54] | sphery: | When mythfrontend exits, X exits, then have something running (i.e. in your .bash_profile) that start X in an endless loop (i.e. if on /dev/tty1 or whatever) |
| [18:25:01] | sphery: | famicom: no |
| [18:25:13] | hti_pro: | this is all in your .xinitrc file |
| [18:25:24] | famicom: | sphery well, are there any devs around |
| [18:25:33] | hti_pro: | oh wait stupid question |
| [18:25:49] | famicom: | cause there's some serious lack in support for Irdetoa CI cards |
| [18:27:31] | hti_pro: | can i change the password for the mythtv shell user or will that cause problems with the backend |
| [18:28:07] | GreyFoxx: | I can't imagine the backend caring |
| [18:28:16] | GreyFoxx: | it doesn't know or use the shell password |
| [18:28:17] | sphery: | hti_pro: try setting the "Tuning Timeout (msec)" in your video source |
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| [18:28:30] | sphery: | though that won't help with lack of capture card support |
| [18:28:43] | hti_pro: | alright btw sphery i don't think that was meant for me |
| [18:28:46] | famicom: | anyhow |
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| [18:29:04] | famicom: | sphery no, there is nothing wrong with the card |
| [18:29:09] | famicom: | it wokrs perfectly |
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| [18:29:45] | famicom: | the only problem is that mythtv doesnt destinquish the difference between lack of authorization or an actual time out |
| [18:30:06] | dustybin: | UK people, dont forget to record this |
| [18:30:08] | sphery: | hti_pro: I have a script that changes my mythtv users's password to a random value with between 40 and 80 characters (including special, numeric, ...) once per day on a cron job on each of my Myth systems. It has no effect on Myth. |
| [18:30:16] | dustybin: | dam no copy n paste on this terminal |
| [18:30:34] | hti_pro: | sphery ok |
| [18:30:37] | sphery: | hti_pro: Yeah, the timeout was for famicom, sorry. famicom figured it out, though. |
| [18:31:21] | sphery: | I should quit being rude to famicom, though |
| [18:31:21] | hti_pro: | sphery so if I run ratpoison & in my .xinitrc file and then mythfrontend, rat poison will handle windowing for myth |
| [18:31:24] | hti_pro: | righ? |
| [18:31:35] | sphery: | yep |
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| [18:32:18] | hti_pro: | GreyFoxx: this pastebin, the first one is your .bashrc?? |
| [18:32:20] | dustybin: | if one selects record at any time on blabla channel, does that mean there will always be a record stored in ones database forever? |
| [18:32:44] | dustybin: | causing big database with lots of entries what will never get used? |
| [18:32:58] | GreyFoxx: | hti_: that first bit is from my rc.local file (very last init script my system runs) |
| [18:33:03] | sphery: | hti_pro: might want to use .bash_profile. The .bashrc is always executed when bash starts. The .bash_profile is only executed when starting a login shell. |
| [18:33:27] | hti_pro: | ok |
| [18:34:16] | sphery: | OK, I mean, use whatever to autologin, but use a .bash_profile to determine whether to start X (similar to one of the options from the wiki). Or, have it all done from rc.local, like GreyFoxx did |
| [18:34:28] | GreyFoxx: | this is all of the script/config involved in getting my X autolaunched as my mythtv user without needing to login, and auto starting a looping mythfrontend http://www.pastebin.ca/1002029 |
| [18:35:06] | GreyFoxx: | rc.local starts x, x starts xfce, xfce starts runfe which runs mythfrontend in a infinite loop |
| [18:35:28] | GreyFoxx: | You can make the loop send alert emails, make debug dumps, rotate logs, whatever |
| [18:35:40] | famicom: | ok, I got 2 questions that bug me and that i cannot solve myself |
| [18:35:49] | GreyFoxx: | and main thing is my wife doesn't bitch on the rare occasion the FE crashes :) |
| [18:36:06] | famicom: | 1 why cant i tune in on channels when i manually import them into the channels table |
| [18:36:23] | dustybin: | when you select a film to record on the search films section, there is no way to go back to the film list, there is only a link to go back to the programme listing |
| [18:36:36] | famicom: | 2, how can i get my intel HDA codec to work over ATI HDMI |
| [18:36:51] | famicom: | it works in gstreamer, just not in mythtv |
| [18:37:21] | famicom: | i allready tried to figure it out using aplay -L , but that didnt really give any usefull answers either |
| [18:38:11] | famicom: | The Sound device IS listed in aplay, but I just dont know how to add it to mythtv |
| [18:38:22] | sphery: | famicom: 1) the MythTV internal channel scanner is the best supported means of getting channel information into Myth. |
| [18:38:59] | famicom: | sphery, that's right, but the information i dumped came straight from my own database |
| [18:39:07] | sphery: | famicom: 2) Though I don't know how to fix that, I can say that the output of aplay -L has changed significantly in recent years, and its output is pretty much useless for configuring ALSA, now. |
| [18:39:20] | famicom: | i did a full reinstall this morning, and i saved my channels.conf |
| [18:39:43] | famicom: | Now when i use the internal scanner, I get a whole bulk of channels as well for which i have no access to |
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| [18:41:35] | famicom: | all i want to do is just scan all transports, then remove all unwanted channels, then sort the ones i do want |
| [18:41:53] | famicom: | then export that to an sql dump that i can import on a later moment |
| [18:42:18] | otwin: | famicom: did you only import the channels table? |
| [18:42:23] | famicom: | yu[ |
| [18:42:24] | famicom: | yup |
| [18:42:41] | famicom: | was that a Bad Thing(tm) ? |
| [18:43:00] | otwin: | famicom: i never did that since i switched to dvb, but shouldn't you at least also import dtv_multiplex and maybe others |
| [18:43:02] | otwin: | ? |
| [18:43:08] | famicom: | oooh |
| [18:43:58] | famicom: | ok |
| [18:44:01] | famicom: | i feel stupid npw |
| [18:46:25] | famicom: | Now, question number 2 |
| [18:47:02] | famicom: | How exactly would i be able to allow mythtv to use my hdmi output for sound |
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| [19:12:21] | famicom: | so |
| [19:12:22] | famicom: | anyone |
| [19:12:23] | famicom: | here |
| [19:12:28] | famicom: | hdmi ? |
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| [19:15:02] | iamlindoro__: | Most of us aren't using HDMI because it's new, and of those that are, 99% of us would never touch ATI... so you're on your own, probably |
| [19:15:35] | GreyFoxx: | just DVI->hdmi on nvidia here |
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| [19:20:02] | XLV: | famicom, on ati gpus, they got a audio device on the graphics card.. on nvidia, they got a spdif header on the graphics card, to connect the sound card or onboard sound |
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| [19:20:49] | famicom: | xlv, so that means that i have inf act 2 sound devices on my thing |
| [19:20:55] | justdave: | same as GreyFoxx here, DVI out on the mythbox to the HDMI in on the TV |
| [19:21:39] | XLV: | famicom, yeah, in ati's case |
| [19:21:43] | famicom: | oh |
| [19:21:44] | famicom: | well |
| [19:21:48] | famicom: | goddammit |
| [19:22:02] | sphery: | Does the audio hardware on the ATI cards actually support 8-channel PCM audio (as in HDMI 1.3)? Obviously an S/PDIF header wouldn't (as S/PDIF only supports 2-channel PCM). |
| [19:22:06] | famicom: | that emans taht i know got 2 soundcards, both using the same kernel module |
| [19:22:45] | famicom: | How do i know which one is which |
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| [19:23:45] | justdave: | rename one of them via alias in modprobe.conf (or whatever the equivalent is on your system) |
| [19:24:17] | justdave: | find the option to specify the bus ID on it so the alias matches the specific one |
| [19:27:43] | famicom: | I just simply disabled the onboard one |
| [19:28:24] | XLV: | sphery, doesnt seem it does.. 2 channel pcm or ac3 5.1, but i dont own one, so i dont have first hand experience |
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| [19:30:23] | famicom: | well this is awkwards |
| [19:30:30] | famicom: | the moment i disable the onboard sound chip |
| [19:30:33] | famicom: | no more sound |
| [19:30:54] | famicom: | that and it managed to segfault x |
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| [19:32:54] | famicom: | And all it does is show the same damn outputs |
| [19:33:54] | famicom: | same goes for X264 |
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| [19:37:19] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmm you know, it would be nifty if you could make the mythweb flash player as a popup mini window rather than being embedded in the full page |
| [19:37:44] | sphery: | XLV: Too bad. I'm still waiting for 8-channel PCM audio. So much better than AC-3/DTS for Myth's purposes. (Of course, I want DisplayPort instead of HDMI, but at least I know I can't get 8-ch PCM with either, right now.) |
| [19:37:52] | famicom: | GreyFoxx |
| [19:37:54] | famicom: | I can do that |
| [19:38:07] | famicom: | I've been wanting to rewrite mythweb for a while |
| [19:38:17] | famicom: | if you could make a whish list for me and send me a pm |
| [19:38:22] | famicom: | Ill see what i can do |
| [19:38:45] | GreyFoxx: | well I can do it, it was just a random thought that popped through my head heh |
| [19:38:59] | GreyFoxx: | I'm sure though if you want to do some mythweb work, xris or kormoc could come up with some stuff :) |
| [19:39:51] | xris: | famicom: kormoc's been talking about a major rewrite, too |
| [19:40:06] | famicom: | well right now it looks simply godawfull |
| [19:40:08] | xris: | we want to convert everything over to the new PHP mythtv bindings he's been working |
| [19:40:13] | xris: | thanks for the insult. :) |
| [19:40:20] | xris: | I quite like how it looks |
| [19:40:29] | GreyFoxx: | I like the look of it for the most part |
| [19:40:33] | famicom: | dude the blue design |
| [19:40:37] | xris: | blue? |
| [19:40:38] | famicom: | is just pure vomit |
| [19:40:38] | xris: | it's grey |
| [19:40:44] | famicom: | theres 2 themes |
| [19:40:52] | GreyFoxx: | I use the grey one :) |
| [19:40:53] | xris: | upgrade to .21 |
| [19:41:06] | xris: | there is a dark grey skin, and a half-broken light grey skin |
| [19:41:26] | sphery: | So, how should a mythtv-specific database restore script work? User specifies all info (that can't be pulled from config files) on command line and it exits on any error? User starts script, it reads config files, and prompts for the rest (allowing user to recover even if they first specify bad info)? |
| [19:41:53] | famicom: | yeah well |
| [19:41:55] | famicom: | here's an idea |
| [19:42:00] | famicom: | how about we get an actual colorscheme |
| [19:42:04] | xris: | famicom: looks grey to me: http://newmyth.forevermore.net/img/screenshot . . . cdetails.png |
| [19:42:33] | JohnMahowald: | Brute force restore: export myth database, drop existing, restore backup |
| [19:42:35] | xris: | if you're talking about .20, there's no point in going further. I put a lot of effort into trying to standardize stuff in .21.. separation of layout and color stylesheets, etc. |
| [19:42:36] | famicom: | It looks back |
| [19:42:38] | famicom: | bad |
| [19:43:06] | xris: | famicom: color is personal opinion.. which is why it's possible to add other skin stylesheets |
| [19:43:48] | xris: | I only care about layout |
| [19:44:27] | sphery: | JohnMahowald: Yeah, I'm going to have several options (full restore, "new hardware" restore, etc.) and I'll probably allow doing things like drop DB and run mc.sql. Though I'm trying to decide on interactivity. |
| [19:44:36] | xris: | but try to be a little more "constructive" in your criticisms... what you say keeps coming out sounding like insults, which makes it VERY hard for me to want to pay attention to any ideas you might have. |
| [19:44:51] | famicom: | xris i know |
| [19:44:53] | famicom: | Sorry for that |
| [19:44:58] | famicom: | I've been awake for 2 days |
| [19:45:26] | xris: | I'd *love* to get some real art and layout stuff for mythweb. I know UI design, but I'm pretty poor when it comes to graphics. |
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| [19:45:45] | famicom: | ok well. |
| [19:45:48] | famicom: | I'll work ont aht |
| [19:46:07] | xris: | and upgrade to .21 |
| [19:46:49] | famicom: | allready am |
| [19:47:09] | famicom: | BEE ARR BEE |
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| [19:52:00] | justinh: | oh dear. I think my backend has a heat dissipation problem |
| [19:52:30] | justinh: | the UNCs I'm getting on DVB tuner 1 don't seem to be going away with a different feed cable & the card feels hot |
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| [19:55:57] | r3z`: | Anyone know of good hardware that can decode comcast digital tv? |
| [19:56:03] | r3z`: | legally? |
| [19:56:04] | justinh: | not legally |
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| [19:56:11] | r3z`: | THought so. |
| [19:56:23] | justinh: | and if it ain't legal you ain't gonna be discussing it here |
| [19:56:30] | ** r3z` wants to use comcasts digital tv on his myth box :( ** | |
| [19:56:36] | r3z`: | Nothing for directv either right? |
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| [19:56:41] | justinh: | nope |
| [19:57:06] | justinh: | borderline legal would be what I'd call the r5000 modded boxes |
| [19:57:20] | justinh: | but they're not supported in linux anyhow |
| [19:57:22] | justdave: | there is, but it won't run mythtv well. |
| [19:57:36] | justdave: | they basically tied the firmware to Windows Vista and approved motherboards |
| [19:58:07] | JohnMahowald: | exit |
| [19:58:35] | justdave: | and of course, Vista Media Center encode it with DRM and so forth |
| [19:59:36] | justdave: | http://www.floppyhead.com/ is a good place to read up on that stuff |
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| [20:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | r3: Starting in a few days the HDPVR might be a good option if you are looking for HD content from a stb like those |
| [20:00:09] | r3z: | I wouldnt get any more channels with an ATSC tuner right? |
| [20:01:08] | sphery: | r3z: May 1 Hauppauge starts shipping their HD-PVR MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) encoder cards (HDTV component video in -> H.264 out) and there's a good chance a Linux driver and a patch for Myth will be available right before you get the card |
| [20:01:32] | sphery: | You'll still need the comcast STB, but you can take any HDTV channel it outputs and record it to Myth. |
| [20:02:04] | kslater: | so I'm at a loss for why we need a driver for the HDPVR? Doesn't it just spit out a file to USB? Or do you mean a USB driver |
| [20:02:21] | justinh: | all USB stuff needs a driver |
| [20:02:36] | kslater: | it's not like a PVR-x50 which needs a driver and firmware to tune and all |
| [20:02:41] | r3z: | sphery, would I be able to still change channels and such like I currently do? |
| [20:02:46] | GreyFoxx: | ksl: yes, it is |
| [20:02:48] | justinh: | usb might as well be a serial port for all it is dumb |
| [20:03:15] | kslater: | GreyFoxx? |
| [20:03:25] | GreyFoxx: | You tell it the encoding parameters, (maybe load firmware, dunno yet), bitrates and such and then access the content similar to the way we do an ivtv card |
| [20:03:50] | kslater: | ah, encoding params, good point |
| [20:03:52] | sphery: | r3z: you would need some way to change channels on the STB--i.e. firewire, IR transmitter, serial, ... |
| [20:03:54] | GreyFoxx: | And it has a irblaster I believe so that would need a driver too |
| [20:04:11] | justinh: | anybody here ever known a DVB tuner go faulty? |
| [20:04:31] | GreyFoxx: | just: I had issues with a dvb-s card once. moved to another pci slot and the problems went away |
| [20:04:59] | justinh: | nah got 3 here – all were working fine. suddenly one gets massive UNCs |
| [20:05:14] | justinh: | I'll schedule some downtime & see how it fares when cold |
| [20:05:40] | r3z: | so STB --HDPVR---firewire-->mythbox? |
| [20:05:43] | justinh: | actually.. how long's the box been up?! might just need a fan cleaning |
| [20:05:55] | justinh: | 21:05:47 up 151 days, 21:58, 4 users, load average: 0.97, 1.12, 0.66 |
| [20:05:55] | sphery: | justinh: I've heard of PVR-x50's going faulty (often because of improperly grounded cable/antenna wires or just plain "old age"). I don't think it was the encoder that failed in any of the cases I've seen (always the tuner/demuxer). |
| [20:06:13] | justinh: | yeah well I can't fix tuners |
| [20:06:28] | r3z: | 16:06:19 up 21 days, 20:41, 1 user, load average: 3.29, 2.12, 1.35 |
| [20:06:35] | r3z: | Had a frickin power outage. |
| [20:06:37] | sphery: | r3z: actually STB -> HDPVR -> Myth (via USB) |
| [20:06:47] | ** justinh regrets starting a pissing contest ** | |
| [20:08:01] | sphery: | justinh: and for the price of the components these days, it's probably not worth fixing the tuners (if that is what's wrong). |
| [20:08:18] | kslater: | ha -> 16:08:02 up 17:33, 1 user, load average: 0.22, 0.12, 0.04 |
| [20:08:42] | beandog: | heh |
| [20:09:02] | kslater: | epia m13k been flaky more than not lately |
| [20:09:03] | justinh: | time for some unscheduled downtime... |
| [20:09:03] | sphery: | After I finishing rebooting, I'll post mine... |
| [20:09:06] | kslater: | time for a new machine |
| [20:09:15] | justinh: | epia gear is flaky end of story |
| [20:09:21] | kslater: | hehe |
| [20:09:27] | kslater: | I know your distaste |
| [20:09:35] | beandog: | justinh, whys that |
| [20:09:36] | kslater: | it's served us well enough I suppose |
| [20:09:37] | justinh: | I pity the foo who bought my old m10k board :D |
| [20:09:58] | justinh: | beandog: flea-powered junk with junk linux drivers? |
| [20:09:58] | kslater: | tell them it makes a nice car computer |
| [20:10:18] | beandog: | justinh, well, I dislike VIA as much as the next guy, but seriously .. whats wrong with em? |
| [20:10:24] | justinh: | they're shit |
| [20:10:27] | beandog: | Ive had good success with them. |
| [20:10:28] | justinh: | I know. I've owned one |
| [20:10:50] | justinh: | I had good success, til newer kernels and newer versions of mythtv |
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| [20:11:14] | beandog: | what kind of problems |
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| [20:11:18] | sphery: | So, it's probably fine if you want to run MythTV 0.13, right? ;) |
| [20:11:30] | justin1: | unable to play SDTV mpeg2 .. |
| [20:11:37] | AndyCap_: | flea-power should go nice with your cisco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRo1Qu3vvg |
| [20:11:37] | justin1: | without stutterring/crashing ? |
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| [20:12:10] | beandog: | justin1, what video drivers |
| [20:12:10] | kslater: | I have no problems with playback unless you include the freezing solid part |
| [20:12:19] | justin1: | beandog: openchrome of course |
| [20:12:24] | beandog: | justin1, my via is playing nothing *but* mpeg2, and Ive had zero problems so far |
| [20:12:37] | justin1: | mpeg2 from dvb tuners? |
| [20:12:47] | beandog: | justin1, and for the record, not trying to disagree with you just for being a prick, Im genuinely interested since I'm planning on buying another one. |
| [20:12:47] | sphery: | speaking of sites that use stupid Flash, has anyone tried the latest Gnash as a serious replacement for Flash player? |
| [20:13:00] | justin1: | xvmc was needed even for dvd playback – they're THAT lame |
| [20:13:07] | beandog: | justin1, oh, no, Im actually using just mythvideo. |
| [20:13:15] | justin1: | I wouldn't recommend anybody buy one for a new system |
| [20:13:30] | beandog: | I dont record any tv with myth, anymore. not right now at least. |
| [20:13:38] | kslater: | no, me either and I was a big fan of the all in one aspect |
| [20:13:56] | beandog: | I gotta admit though Ive been really impressed with openchome so far |
| [20:13:59] | beandog: | openchrome |
| [20:14:07] | sphery: | I'd think that MythVideo would be harder to handle with a low-powered frontend--multiple different resolutions, multiple different CODEC's, ... |
| [20:14:17] | beandog: | no, not really |
| [20:14:26] | beandog: | I'm running a custom embedded image on mine |
| [20:14:27] | beandog: | it flies. |
| [20:14:36] | otwin: | i'll have to add my opinion on epias... |
| [20:14:44] | beandog: | in fact, its as fast as my dual core amd64. |
| [20:14:54] | beandog: | in terms of responsiveness. |
| [20:15:12] | ** sphery wonders how slow your dual-core system is ;) ** | |
| [20:15:14] | otwin: | i got my m10k 4 or 5 years ago and back then there were no real alternatives, but |
| [20:15:41] | beandog: | sphery, I mean in the sense that there's no latency |
| [20:16:17] | otwin: | today it's much easier to build a silent machine and a lot cheaper too. i wouldn't buy an epia today – too expensive. |
| [20:16:18] | sphery: | My alternative: big, ugly, loud system and a drill (to make a hole in the wall to pass cables into the room with only the TV and speakers) |
| [20:17:24] | beandog: | justin1, anyway, Im in the market for a new mini-itx ... what wouldy ou recommend? |
| [20:17:24] | justin1: | too expensive for what they can do |
| [20:17:34] | justin1: | anything so long as it's not epia-based! |
| [20:17:36] | otwin: | i now have an appletv with linux for 150Euros, no noise, looks good and plays everything an epia can, but much better |
| [20:17:43] | justin1: | something core2-ish probably |
| [20:18:28] | justin1: | had no complaints about overall latency & whatnot.. |
| [20:18:28] | famicom: | pah |
| [20:18:29] | beandog: | meh, always had problems with Intel. |
| [20:18:31] | famicom: | screw apple tv |
| [20:18:59] | justin1: | full of positive vibes aren't you femidom? |
| [20:19:29] | otwin: | famicom: show me sth better for that money... |
| [20:19:38] | famicom: | you should come across me on a bad day |
| [20:19:38] | justin1: | stick with your ATI VGA gear :P |
| [20:19:38] | beandog: | justin1, http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ex10000eg |
| [20:19:39] | beandog: | that's what Im planning on getting |
| [20:19:40] | beandog: | and yes, its an EPIA |
| [20:19:42] | beandog: | run for the hills! |
| [20:19:43] | beandog: | :) |
| [20:19:54] | famicom: | I dunno |
| [20:20:02] | famicom: | I'm allready drowning in mini itx baords |
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| [20:28:10] | justinh: | oops! |
| [20:28:22] | justinh: | I forgot my backend is the DHCP server now |
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| [20:28:49] | justinh: | beandog: well, more fool you IMHO |
| [20:29:09] | justinh: | good luck & have fun playing only standard def. content |
| [20:29:25] | ** justinh waits for the big fsck to finish ** | |
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| [20:29:59] | keith4: | ugh |
| [20:30:01] | beandog: | justinh, Im not using it for playback on an HDTV anyway |
| [20:30:08] | keith4: | logic supply is great, and all... but not for mythtv |
| [20:30:21] | justinh: | just aswell since you won't have a hope of acheiving it :) |
| [20:30:31] | beandog: | oh wait |
| [20:30:34] | beandog: | actually |
| [20:30:36] | beandog: | I might, one day |
| [20:30:42] | beandog: | I didnt really think about that. |
| [20:30:47] | beandog: | mmm, nah |
| [20:30:50] | beandog: | not gonna happen. |
| [20:30:53] | beandog: | Ill be fine. |
| [20:31:11] | keith4: | i just built a new frontend that does HDTV beautifully, with horsepower to spare, for under $500 |
| [20:31:12] | justinh: | beandog – or anything h.264 at reasonable sdtv bitrates? |
| [20:31:23] | beandog: | justinh, no, Im just ripping my DVDs |
| [20:31:35] | beandog: | justinh, anything HD, id just play back on a player anyway |
| [20:31:40] | justinh: | expensive for a 20th century media centre :P |
| [20:31:54] | beandog: | justinh, not when you consider how many DVDs I have. |
| [20:32:02] | justinh: | might have to swap all these tuners for something more modern using silicon tuners |
| [20:32:10] | justinh: | lower power consumption == less heat |
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| [20:32:48] | justinh: | 3 tuners, right slap bang next to each other.. eep |
| [20:33:07] | justinh: | took the opportunity to shift the middle one away so they're spaced apart now |
| [20:33:18] | justinh: | hopefully the UNCs will go away too |
| [20:33:35] | justinh: | if this blimmin fsck ever finishes |
| [20:33:46] | keith4: | beandog: better off with this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813188021 |
| [20:33:54] | keith4: | or even this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813188022 |
| [20:34:12] | beandog: | keith4, oh wow, very nice |
| [20:34:18] | beandog: | and 1/3rd the price, too. |
| [20:34:32] | keith4: | (well... you'll probably want to add a processor) |
| [20:34:39] | beandog: | yah, I just realized that, doh. |
| [20:34:45] | beandog: | yah, an nvidia would be nice. |
| [20:34:54] | beandog: | my main beef is to get all th e real outputs |
| [20:35:01] | beandog: | dvi, spdif, etc. |
| [20:35:07] | keith4: | but still... a c2d 2.2 is like $120 |
| [20:35:25] | keith4: | both of those boards have those outputs |
| [20:35:28] | keith4: | the first one even has hdmi |
| [20:35:38] | beandog: | yah Im not worried about hdmi |
| [20:35:40] | justinh: | 95% complete.. come on! I need to test this setup before the next recording! |
| [20:35:49] | beandog: | my HDTV has a vga port which I use |
| [20:36:03] | beandog: | or I just use DVI to HDMI |
| [20:36:13] | kormoc: | so you want digital sound but don't care about digital video? weird... |
| [20:36:26] | beandog: | kormoc, I'm not gonna be playing back HD |
| [20:36:29] | beandog: | probably ever. |
| [20:36:39] | kormoc: | so why care about digital audio then? |
| [20:36:51] | beandog: | its simpler to hook up to a receiver than the TV |
| [20:36:57] | beandog: | less hassle for volume control. |
| [20:37:12] | beandog: | besides, Star Trek DVDs are in 5.1 |
| [20:37:13] | beandog: | :D |
| [20:37:21] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [20:37:23] | justinh: | bang! and the UNCs are gone |
| [20:37:24] | kormoc: | just seems strange |
| [20:37:32] | justinh: | but wait, why didn't mythbackend start on boot? |
| [20:37:43] | beandog: | kormoc, I know, it makes sense when you realize what I'm ripping though |
| [20:37:47] | ** beandog has a huge library of tv shows ** | |
| [20:38:03] | beandog: | *tahts* waht Im playing back |
| [20:38:07] | beandog: | http://spaceparanoids.org/archives/tv.php |
| [20:38:16] | beandog: | well, not that huge. |
| [20:38:23] | kormoc: | sure, and they're digital video as well, so you don't mind video going digital to analog, but audio is wanted to be digital only |
| [20:38:28] | kormoc: | I just find that strange, the split |
| [20:38:44] | justinh: | mysql hadn't started?! WTF?!?!?!?! |
| [20:38:45] | beandog: | well they both look pretty darn good on my TV |
| [20:38:50] | beandog: | I can't tell the difference between using the two. |
| [20:39:05] | beandog: | besides, considering the source, you'd never really notice anyway |
| [20:39:17] | kormoc: | I can't as well, and I also can't tell the difference on the audio side of things too, hence why I consider it strange |
| [20:39:28] | beandog: | oh I can tell a huge difference on a udio |
| [20:39:34] | beandog: | the TV speakers aren't that great |
| [20:39:47] | dustybin: | justinh: does your widescreen CRT distort when text and verticle lines are close to the edge? |
| [20:40:14] | beandog: | kormoc, i actually run all my stuff through my receiver |
| [20:40:39] | justinh: | dustybin: not really |
| [20:40:44] | dustybin: | dam :( |
| [20:40:52] | justinh: | it's a panasonic.. |
| [20:41:02] | justinh: | PSU regulation could be better but otherwise it's ace |
| [20:41:21] | dustybin: | my text goes unfocused and lines, especially white ones, bend |
| [20:41:36] | justinh: | heh. cheap Sharp TV |
| [20:41:43] | dustybin: | Philips 24" |
| [20:41:48] | justinh: | even worse |
| [20:41:52] | dustybin: | seriously? |
| [20:42:03] | dustybin: | i thought philips made good stuff? |
| [20:42:24] | beandog: | their sound system is beyond annoying. |
| [20:42:49] | beandog: | what do they call it, cant remember |
| [20:42:50] | justinh: | don't think philips have ever made good stuff |
| [20:42:53] | beandog: | it normalizes all the audio |
| [20:43:08] | justinh: | wth is all this now? single record — not listed |
| [20:43:09] | dustybin: | justinh: i might give it to my sister and have a look for a cheap panasonic CRT then |
| [20:43:14] | beandog: | the idea was to help out on annoying commercials |
| [20:43:26] | justinh: | it IS listed – it's there in the guide! |
| [20:43:30] | beandog: | but then you watch stuff like sci-fi where it has a wide range of audible levels, and it *really* ruins the experience. |
| [20:46:05] | dustybin: | when UK HD eventually hits the air, does that mean Hauppauge will create a new card to pick up the signals? |
| [20:46:14] | justinh: | nope |
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| [20:46:20] | justinh: | not necessarily |
| [20:46:31] | justinh: | it's gonna be DVB-T2 no doubt and no tuners exist for it yet |
| [20:46:38] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [20:47:28] | dustybin: | justinh: will all those HDTV's with tuners built in be able to pick up DVB-T2 ? |
| [20:47:34] | justinh: | nope |
| [20:47:36] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [20:47:41] | justinh: | none will |
| [20:47:43] | justinh: | NONE! |
| [20:47:54] | justinh: | did I say 'none' ? I meant ZERO |
| [20:48:03] | justinh: | can you spell public outrage? |
| [20:48:08] | dustybin: | dont forget to watch Michael barrymore – what really happened |
| [20:48:13] | dustybin: | starts in 10mins |
| [20:48:16] | ** justinh forgets already ** | |
| [20:48:21] | justinh: | waste of air, that bloke |
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| [20:52:13] | schtinky: | getting a compile error: make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. |
| [20:52:16] | schtinky: | What am I missing? |
| [20:52:24] | justinh: | a clue? |
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| [20:52:51] | keith4: | ew, lib64 |
| [20:53:45] | kormoc: | nothing wrong with 64 bit... |
| [20:54:06] | keith4: | until you try to compile something, and you don't know what you're doing |
| [20:54:08] | schtinky: | hey kormoc, I got the standalone mythcommflag working... sort of |
| [20:54:13] | schtinky: | without mysql installed at all |
| [20:54:29] | kormoc: | snazzy |
| [20:54:47] | justinh: | schtinky: at a guess I'd say you're missing qt3-dev stuff |
| [20:54:48] | schtinky: | turns out you can just create a programinfo with new ProgramInfo(); |
| [20:55:29] | schtinky: | and then hardcode whatever info you need in |
| [20:55:35] | schtinky: | just bypassed all database calls |
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| [20:57:09] | justinh: | right.. cleaned all the muck & bullets out of the case orifices.. 3 tuners worky without uncy UNCs ... |
| [20:57:32] | justinh: | amazing how dusty IT gear gets when you have hardwood floors :( |
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| [20:58:37] | justinh: | ffs that reboot, mysql still isn't up when the mythbackend init comes in |
| [20:59:46] | justinh: | looking at this mythtv-backend init script it ain't waiting for mysql either |
| [21:01:31] | schtinky: | justinh, seems like I've compiled myth without it before |
| [21:01:44] | schtinky: | [cyrus@westmain commercial_detection_tests]$ rpm -qa qt |
| [21:01:45] | schtinky: | qt-3.3.8–4.fc7 |
| [21:01:45] | schtinky: | qt-3.3.8–4.fc7 |
| [21:01:56] | schtinky: | compiled on that machine fine |
| [21:02:05] | schtinky: | and only those two packages exist under qt |
| [21:02:53] | schtinky: | what exactly does "no rule to make target" mean? |
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| [21:03:10] | justinh: | trunk? |
| [21:03:16] | schtinky: | makefile needs a rule to make qmake.conf |
| [21:03:21] | schtinky: | and no rule exists |
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| [21:03:27] | schtinky: | ? |
| [21:03:35] | justinh: | are you trying to build trunk? |
| [21:03:38] | schtinky: | yes |
| [21:03:48] | ** justinh slaps schtinky ** | |
| [21:03:57] | schtinky: | actually I'm more interested in making distclean |
| [21:04:10] | justinh: | did you happen to miss all the emails about trunk moving to qt4 then? |
| [21:04:20] | iamlindoro__: | easy to miss them when you don't read the dev list ;) |
| [21:04:49] | justinh: | whee I have 15 encoders now |
| [21:04:58] | justinh: | and clean air vents :) |
| [21:05:20] | justinh: | wish I could do away with all the maintenance stuff. starting to annoy me even though it's only every few months |
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| [21:05:40] | justinh: | I dunno where the hell all the dust comes from |
| [21:05:54] | justinh: | skin, mostly I know but even so.. |
| [21:06:10] | iamlindoro__: | Don't forget hair and puppy |
| [21:06:16] | schtinky: | oh trunk, no I'm not building from trunk |
| [21:06:32] | schtinky: | mixed up my terminology, I'm just building the 0.21 release |
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| [21:12:40] | schtinky: | ok I'm a moron |
| [21:12:45] | schtinky: | I needed qt-devel |
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| [21:23:26] | schtinky: | what package provides qt-mt |
| [21:24:06] | kormoc: | schtinky, typically just QT, as it's just the multithreaded qt lib |
| [21:24:28] | schtinky: | hmm |
| [21:24:44] | schtinky: | qt and qt-devel definitely installed |
| [21:24:55] | schtinky: | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt |
| [21:24:55] | schtinky: | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| [21:24:55] | schtinky: | make[2]: *** [libmythavcodec-0.21.so.0.21.0] Error 1 |
| [21:25:33] | famicom: | ok, so how do i get mythtv to use alsasink device="hw:1,3" for sound |
| [21:27:26] | Lynet: | schtinky: Well, you need libqt-mt it seems. |
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| [21:27:53] | schtinky: | that's provided by qt |
| [21:28:13] | schtinky: | I needed to add /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and run /sbin/ldconfig |
| [21:28:19] | schtinky: | so I think i got it fixed |
| [21:28:54] | Anduin: | schtinky: was probably just QTDIR related |
| [21:29:01] | Lynet: | schtinky: Could you pastebin the full error? |
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| [21:31:38] | famicom: | anyone herer know anything remotely about li8nux sournd |
| [21:32:33] | schtinky: | nah I got it, thanks lynet |
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| [21:51:56] | TalibJayid: | if the card i want myth to use is accessible through alsamixer -c 1, what audio output device do i tell it to use? |
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| [22:25:24] | TalibJayid: | can someone tell me if my alsa soundcard is index=1 how do i tell mythtv to use it? |
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| [22:27:40] | riddlebox: | can someone tell me how I can use DMA audio in mythtv? |
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| [22:35:27] | riddlebox: | TalibJayid, /dev/dsp1 |
| [22:35:31] | TalibJayid: | that's not alsa |
| [22:35:33] | TalibJayid: | that's oss |
| [22:35:58] | riddlebox: | I am trying to just get my card to use sound |
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| [23:06:05] | TalibJayid: | if my alsa card is card #1, how do i tell myth to use it? i know ALSA:default but how do you say what the default is? |
| [23:07:42] | kormoc: | TalibJayid, define it in your asoundrc file |
| [23:07:47] | jamesd: | TalibJayid, i found this to be one of the best kept secrets on the net --> cat /home/jamesd/.asoundrc |
| [23:08:08] | TalibJayid: | the global one being asound.conf? |
| [23:08:25] | TalibJayid: | sorry, alsa.conf |
| [23:08:38] | jamesd: | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| [23:08:57] | TalibJayid: | 1 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel – HDA Intel |
| [23:08:57] | TalibJayid: | HDA Intel at 0xefffc000 irq 16 |
| [23:09:09] | TalibJayid: | i just want myth to use that but ALSA:default in myth doesn't |
| [23:09:19] | TalibJayid: | i'd really prefer to just know if you can do ALSA:1 or something |
| [23:09:36] | kormoc: | you would need to define it in a way alsa understands before you can do that |
| [23:09:42] | kormoc: | alsa is non-trivial |
| [23:09:57] | kormoc: | it might be easier if you have alsa-oss emulation enabled and just use the oss emulation |
| [23:09:59] | jamesd: | then tell it to use it in .asoundrc not sure about globally... i didn't bother, the bad part is that the cards change numbering from time to time, not sure why... could be updates. |
| [23:10:04] | TalibJayid: | i mean, i dont know the possibilities for audio output device, how you teoo it to use a different alsa card |
| [23:10:20] | riddlebox: | hrmm I just want ubuntu to load cx88-alsa then I can use my third card! |
| [23:10:39] | TalibJayid: | i guess im really asking more of a myth question, how do you tell it which alsa card to use for audio output device |
| [23:11:11] | kormoc: | TalibJayid, as I said above, myth uses a named alsa device, you would need to define this in alsa |
| [23:11:14] | riddlebox: | TalibJayid, I have a pinnacle 800i card that allows it in the card setup |
| [23:11:27] | riddlebox: | kinda like /dev/dsp1 |
| [23:11:43] | TalibJayid: | kormoc: doesn't my paste indicate my alsa device is named? |
| [23:12:00] | kormoc: | TalibJayid, no, that's a number, not a name. Name is 'default', number is card 0 |
| [23:12:01] | TalibJayid: | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| [23:12:01] | TalibJayid: | 1 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel – HDA Intel |
| [23:12:13] | TalibJayid: | the name is not "Intel?" |
| [23:12:22] | kormoc: | TalibJayid, so you want to define a name for card 1 and tell myth to use that. |
| [23:12:29] | kormoc: | TalibJayid, that's a hardware name, not a alsa name |
| [23:12:35] | kormoc: | TalibJayid, like I said, alsa is non-trivial |
| [23:12:35] | TalibJayid: | ok |
| [23:12:57] | TalibJayid: | and you specify the alsa name in alsa.conf or .asoundrc? |
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| [23:13:15] | kormoc: | right, as well as what hardware that name maps to and all that jazz |
| [23:13:24] | TalibJayid: | shoot |
| [23:13:39] | TalibJayid: | i really just wish the x-fi ctalsa driver didn't lock up, then i could just use that:O |
| [23:14:19] | kormoc: | TalibJayid, and, as I said earlier, alsa-oss's emulation is a lot easier to use, you would just point it to /dev/dsp1 and it would work. That's typically the easiest solution |
| [23:14:23] | riddlebox: | sheesh, at this point I am about to dump hardy all together and go back to gutsy at least I could that up and running with my different cards |
| [23:14:39] | TalibJayid: | kormoc: oh ok, that's what i am doing, i just thought it might be better to use straight alsa, as i was doing before with card 0 |
| [23:15:10] | kormoc: | TalibJayid, until you get into needing to tweak all those alsa options, there's no real difference |
| [23:15:20] | TalibJayid: | ok |
| [23:15:48] | TalibJayid: | if you are using oss emul, do you still have the advantage of alsa being able to output multiple things at once? |
| [23:15:57] | kormoc: | TalibJayid, I do believe so |
| [23:15:59] | TalibJayid: | k |
| [23:16:05] | TalibJayid: | that was my major concern |
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| [23:16:36] | kormoc: | TalibJayid, you could also try disabling the primary sound card, so default mapped to the second one |
| [23:16:44] | kormoc: | but that depends on the bios and all that jazz |
| [23:16:50] | TalibJayid: | well, im using the internal one right now |
| [23:16:52] | TalibJayid: | errr |
| [23:16:58] | TalibJayid: | integrated, because the x-fi drivers are problematic |
| [23:17:07] | kormoc: | so why not just pop out the card? |
| [23:17:14] | TalibJayid: | cuz i want to use it eventually:) |
| [23:17:26] | TalibJayid: | i had posted to the creative list to see why it would lock up on loading of the module |
| [23:17:40] | TalibJayid: | it works in XP fine and there are beta drivers for linux but one of the modules seems to cause a system lock |
| [23:17:48] | TalibJayid: | the x-fi is far better than my integrated card |
| [23:20:51] | TalibJayid: | kormoc: how do you see the reason for a lockup of a sound module? |
| [23:21:04] | kormoc: | dmesg might show it |
| [23:21:27] | TalibJayid: | i mean, can you force a log before you load it? |
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| [23:35:49] | schtinky: | something about that last sentence isn't right... |
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