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| [00:04:46] | Tuv0k: | anyone here use nuvexport? |
| [00:05:34] | keith4__: | !ask |
| [00:05:37] | keith4__: | ~ask |
| [00:05:44] | ** keith4__ shakes his fist at the bot ** | |
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| [00:07:48] | Tuv0k: | can't find anyone to ask |
| [00:07:58] | Tuv0k: | nuvexport is not working from job line |
| [00:08:16] | Tuv0k: | and when it does, it does not write the file in human readable format |
| [00:08:50] | keith4__: | devsforev: any idea how to make myth start automatically using openbox? |
| [00:09:28] | keith4__: | or rather... "is there an openbox way to start stuff, or should I just use .xinitrc"? |
| [00:09:58] | Tuv0k: | filename=%t-%m that is my string from ~.nuvexportrc |
| [00:10:47] | Tuv0k: | %t-04.avi < that is the name of the file I get |
| [00:11:23] | Tuv0k: | how can one fix the file name? |
| [00:11:34] | keith4__: | mythrename ? |
| [00:11:44] | keith4__: | mythrename.pl, that is |
| [00:12:43] | Tuv0k: | no |
| [00:12:58] | Tuv0k: | the nuvexport script is supposed to rename as well |
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| [00:13:19] | Tuv0k: | hence the file name line in the config and script |
| [00:13:25] | Tuv0k: | thx though |
| [00:13:41] | ** keith4__ shrugs ** | |
| [00:13:43] | keith4__: | never used it |
| [00:15:42] | Tuv0k: | I know |
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| [00:24:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro, 10 more hours... ;-) [=================>...] reshape = 89.3% (436425472/488383744) finish=599.0min speed=1442K/sec |
| [00:25:05] | rooaus: | keith4__: I just put something in ~/.xsession |
| [00:25:24] | TelnetManta: | guys how can I checkout a certain revision of mythtv via svn? |
| [00:25:28] | TelnetManta: | whats the command? |
| [00:25:52] | rooaus: | svn co -r1234 http://path/of/interest |
| [00:26:01] | TelnetManta: | sweet thankls |
| [00:26:03] | TelnetManta: | -l |
| [00:26:18] | rooaus: | np |
| [00:26:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | or for Myth 0.21-fixes: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/ |
| [00:27:59] | rooaus: | TelnetManta: If you are wanting pre qt4 then 0.21-fixes is probably the way to go at the moment, should be schema compatible. |
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| [00:33:52] | TelnetManta: | kewl |
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| [00:50:41] | sandeen: | 2008-04–21 04:30:02.612 DVBChan(4:0) Error: SetChannelByString(242): Failed to initialize multiplex options |
| [00:50:47] | sandeen: | is that sort of thing a known problem? |
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| [00:50:53] | sandeen: | multiplex is turned on on DVB |
| [00:51:46] | ** sandeen turns multiplex back off for now... ** | |
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| [00:57:36] | keith4__: | rooaus: .xsession, .xinitrc, whatever |
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| [01:01:01] | jedix: | keith4__: you fix it? |
| [01:02:30] | rooaus: | keith4__: It wasn't a correction, just letting you know what I did... use that information how you like. ;) |
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| [01:08:44] | keith4__: | jedix: nah, doesn't seem to make a difference. it's very strange. i'm going to go back to fluxbox, and have it start an xterm at startup, and have xterm start mythfrontend, so I can see the command line output |
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| [01:19:13] | keith4__: | yay, all fixed. thanks guys |
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| [01:29:13] | squish102: | any1 know why my FF and Rewind is all screwed up on recordings that I ran removecommercials on? |
| [01:29:35] | squish102: | looks like i need to clear something out and rescan or something |
| [01:29:56] | squish102: | i have run a "mythcommflag --all --rebuild" but it didn't help |
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| [01:43:18] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: you can try "mythtranscode --mpeg2 --infile filename.mpg --buildindex --showprogress" but no guarantee it will help. |
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| [01:54:35] | armbar: | J-e-f-f-A: speed=1442K/sec <-- kinda slow |
| [01:57:19] | armbar: | J-e-f-f-A: how large is your raid? |
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| [02:15:37] | CrazyFoam: | my mythtv box frequently crashes hard (damn ATI Radeon HD 3870), sometimes when restarted mythbackend complains about "Table './mythconverg/recorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired" |
| [02:15:46] | CrazyFoam: | what's the proper way of repairing the db? |
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| [02:17:39] | Fenix-Dark: | CrazyFoam, why do you need such a high end gfx card for a mythtv box? |
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| [02:20:51] | iamlindoro_: | I also am curious about that (and why you're using an ATI card at all when they're such a pain when combined w/ myth) but optimize_mythdb.pl or mysqlcheck -u dbusername -p mythconverg should do the job |
| [02:21:16] | elliot42: | hi all, can anyone help me with mythweb, or is there a better channel? |
| [02:22:20] | iamlindoro_: | elliot42: This is the right channel, and you shouldn't ask to ask, just ask |
| [02:22:22] | elliot42: | I'm running apache on a non-standard port (10080) to get around ISP restrictions, but on the recordings details page of mythweb, the video streaming adds :80 to the address |
| [02:23:19] | iamlindoro_: | http://ip.of.mythweb/mythweb/settings/stream |
| [02:23:34] | iamlindoro_: | Can force the stream port there |
| [02:24:49] | elliot42: | then I get an address like this: 1.2.3.4:10080:10080 |
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| [02:25:40] | iamlindoro_: | elliot42: Worst comes to worst, asx files are just text files, open the asx and edit the port yourself |
| [02:32:06] | elliot42: | I'd like it working with flv though, I'm at work and windows media player dowsn't work here =p |
| [02:34:29] | elliot42: | hmm, and i've just seen in the asx file that the 10080 port isn't put in the address |
| [02:34:57] | elliot42: | might have to see if I can fix that and file a bug report then |
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| [02:36:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | armbar, (sorry, wasn't paying attention...) Going from 970GB (3x500GB) to ~2.4TB (6x500GB) |
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| [02:42:26] | armbar: | J-e-f-f-A: just curious... what is your /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max set to? |
| [02:45:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | armbar, 200000 ... and my processors are 80%+ idle... md0_raid5 is using 1% cpu, as is md0_reshape... |
| [02:45:32] | armbar: | wow |
| [02:46:08] | armbar: | I just rebuilt a 3x750 raid5 and it took what seemed like forever |
| [02:46:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | armbar, It's my myth data volume, and I've chosen to keep Myth up while it's reshaping. If I bring the backend down, it goes up about 50% in speed... |
| [02:46:25] | armbar: | i see |
| [02:46:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | armbar, This has been running for 4 days now... Almost done... ;-) |
| [02:47:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | armbar, It's actually going much faster now... it was only about 1MB/s when i first started it – it's now about 1.6MB/sec... |
| [02:47:49] | armbar: | since my backend does alot of comm flagging and transcoding I put my raid on a different box |
| [02:48:03] | armbar: | cool |
| [02:49:03] | justinh: | wuh |
| [02:49:22] | justinh: | cheap vodka is eeeevil! |
| [02:49:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | armbar, Yeah, I commflag everything... I haven't done much transcoding yet. I'd love to setup a userjob to automatically transcode to ipod... and it would be great if I could just plug in the ipod into the dock at night, and have everything (that I selected) be transcoded and downloaded by the morning... ;-) |
| [02:52:05] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: I used to have it set up to transcode everything to ipod format, create a new entry in a podcast for it, and subscribed to the podcast in itunes-- worked perfectly but I found myself never using the ipod to watch shows so I stopped doing it |
| [02:53:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro, Humm... do you happen to have any of your scripts still around to share? ;-) |
| [02:53:38] | iamlindoro: | Looks like the myth2ipod script does more or less what I used to have going |
| [02:53:59] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: was two myth setups or so ago, I'm afraid... after I stopped using it I just let it die |
| [02:54:23] | iamlindoro: | http://www.myth2ipod.com/myth2ipod.html |
| [02:54:32] | ** J-e-f-f-A light's a candle for iamlindoro's old myth systems... ** | |
| [02:54:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [02:54:35] | iamlindoro: | That appears to be the same exact thing as I used |
| [02:54:44] | iamlindoro: | I mean, I had my own, but same approach |
| [02:55:07] | iamlindoro: | considering that guy is sharing it his is probably far cleaner than mine ever was :) |
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| [02:56:04] | armbar: | I seem to have nuvexport failing and ffmpeg segfaults. |
| [02:56:15] | ** armbar haven't had time to debug ** | |
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| [03:38:59] | justdave: | ok, so I had a pre-release ubuntu hardy on my mythbox that worked fine, and when I upgraded it to final the sound stopped working. Anyone have any troubleshooting ideas? |
| [03:40:16] | justdave: | no mention of sound or snd in dmesg, lsmod shows a good dozen or so snd_* modules loaded |
| [03:43:18] | justdave: | (I asked in #ubuntu, too, but since they just had a release, trying to get a word in edgewise there is near impossible :) |
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| [03:44:57] | iamlindoro: | justdave: I know that they had a prerelease version where, for a few days, they forgot to include modules for Intel HD Audio... whoops! Hope they didn't manage the same trick with the release |
| [03:45:11] | PaulWay: | Hmmm – mythweb's changed again for 0.21. |
| [03:45:30] | justdave: | iamlindoro: yeah, I remember that one, I got bit by it, too. |
| [03:45:33] | PaulWay: | It's complaining that it can't talk to the backend, when it's on the same machine and the backend is clearly working. |
| [03:45:42] | ** PaulWay searches for readmes. ** | |
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| [04:05:33] | keith4__: | why does my Mac OS X frontend have a menu choice for "edit keys", but my debian frontend doesn't? |
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| [04:05:58] | clever: | keith4__: you need the mythcontrols plugin installed |
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| [04:06:40] | keith4__: | ah, i suspected that... |
| [04:06:50] | keith4__: | the description for that package is worthless, though |
| [04:08:13] | keith4__: | clever: that did it, thanks |
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| [04:28:19] | justdave: | ok, so the sound works if I boot the LiveCD |
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| [04:28:43] | justdave: | that tells me either there's drivers on the CD that aren't on my hard drive or I have something screwed up on the hard drive's install |
| [04:28:51] | keith4__: | probably the latter |
| [04:29:24] | keith4__: | does ubuntu have alsaconf? |
| [04:30:17] | PaulWay: | curse it, why is mythweb still telling me it can't talk to the backend when a) it's on the same machine and b) the backend is clearly working. |
| [04:30:29] | keith4__: | PaulWay: what distro? |
| [04:30:54] | PaulWay: | Fedora 8 |
| [04:31:34] | justdave: | there's an alsactl installed, don't see an alsaconf |
| [04:31:40] | justdave: | (not in my path anyway) |
| [04:31:47] | justdave: | I'm still booted in the CD though |
| [04:32:05] | keith4__: | oh |
| [04:32:12] | keith4__: | go back to your normal installation |
| [04:32:35] | PaulWay: | keith4__: ah, of course – SELinux. Got it. |
| [04:32:46] | justdave: | lsmod |grep snd looks pretty similar between the two |
| [04:34:49] | PaulWay: | Yep, just had to allow httpd to talk to mythbackend on 6543 in SELinux and all seems to be well. |
| [04:34:53] | keith4__: | PaulWay, yah, that's the problem with SELinux... it's so secure, it can't do anything |
| [04:35:06] | keith4__: | until you hit it with a stick like that, anyway |
| [04:35:45] | PaulWay: | Oh well, I'm used to it being around now. |
| [04:37:10] | justdave: | ok, booted into the hard drive again, still no sound. :) |
| [04:37:30] | justdave: | no alsaconf in root's path |
| [04:37:38] | keith4__: | how about alsamixer? |
| [04:37:53] | justdave: | yep, that's there in the menu |
| [04:37:59] | keith4__: | does it work? |
| [04:38:30] | justdave: | I see lots of sliders :) |
| [04:38:45] | keith4__: | do they go up and down? |
| [04:38:47] | justdave: | played around with that earlier, nothing seems to have any effect |
| [04:38:48] | justdave: | yep |
| [04:39:22] | keith4__: | make sure playback devices are unmuted and are at relatively high volumes |
| [04:40:14] | keith4__: | that's good, though. it means it's not a module problem |
| [04:40:44] | justdave: | almost everything is all the way off, and the mutes are all off except for things that are obviously input devices |
| [04:40:58] | keith4__: | tab will toggle between playback/input |
| [04:41:20] | keith4__: | try playing something as root, using mplayer |
| [04:41:44] | justdave: | tab seems to just move the selection |
| [04:42:03] | justdave: | (the dotted outline moves to a different control) |
| [04:42:37] | keith4__: | dotted outline? |
| [04:43:04] | justdave: | the control with a dotted outline around it reacts to keyboard events |
| [04:43:07] | keith4__: | does it not look like this? http://www.schaeben.info/alsamixer.jpg |
| [04:43:11] | justdave: | like the up and down arrow keys move the slider |
| [04:43:24] | justdave: | nope, it's a gnome gui thing |
| [04:43:58] | keith4__: | ah. alsamixergui |
| [04:44:07] | justdave: | found one that looks like your screenshot though |
| [04:45:53] | justdave: | yeah, changing things there doesn't do anything either |
| [04:46:36] | keith4__: | use command line mplayer, play something as root |
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| [04:48:38] | justdave: | no sound from that either |
| [04:48:58] | keith4__: | pastebin the output |
| [04:49:04] | justdave: | unable to connect to pulse server, then it falls back on alsa, which connects, and it goes through the motions, but can't hear anything |
| [04:49:26] | justdave: | give no video, too, because it lost that when I did sudo su - :) |
| [04:49:39] | keith4__: | sudo su -? |
| [04:49:42] | keith4__: | why the hell would you do that? |
| [04:49:52] | PaulWay: | One or the other, please! |
| [04:50:21] | PaulWay: | Well, I suppose what it means is that it gives you a shell but just asks you for your password. |
| [04:50:31] | keith4__: | oy |
| [04:50:34] | PaulWay: | rather than root's; and a root shell, of course. |
| [04:50:42] | justdave: | because it goes you a real root shell with root's environment |
| [04:50:43] | PaulWay: | but really sudo bash would be better. |
| [04:50:44] | keith4__: | i'll never understand ubuntu users |
| [04:50:50] | keith4__: | or sudo -s |
| [04:51:01] | justdave: | sudo -s gives you your own shell but with root's privs |
| [04:51:18] | justdave: | (which lets you screw up your home directory pretty bad if you run things you shouldn't and they save preferences) |
| [04:51:38] | PaulWay: | Odd. Seems a useless option then. |
| [04:51:56] | keith4__: | well, it rather defeats the purpose of sudo |
| [04:52:05] | keith4__: | but that's a whole other discussion |
| [04:52:17] | justdave: | AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) |
| [04:52:29] | keith4__: | pastebin all of its output |
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| [04:55:20] | justdave: | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/414648 |
| [04:57:19] | keith4__: | what's your output setup like? |
| [04:57:25] | keith4__: | digital, analog? |
| [04:57:32] | justdave: | line out on the sound card, analog |
| [04:59:31] | keith4__: | and it works using the liveCD, you say? |
| [04:59:37] | keith4__: | see if you can install alsaconf |
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| [05:01:53] | justdave: | the alsa-utils package (installed) has an asoundconf program in it |
| [05:02:33] | justdave: | "asoundconf list" gives me a list of the available sound cards |
| [05:08:12] | justdave: | I apparently have two, one on-board and one PCI card |
| [05:08:41] | keith4__: | ah, the plot thickens |
| [05:09:04] | justdave: | both show up in Gnome's sound control panel in addition to ALSA, OSS, ESD, Pulse, etc |
| [05:09:18] | justdave: | manually selecting either card still doesn't produce any results |
| [05:10:25] | justdave: | pulseaudio appears to be running |
| [05:10:42] | justdave: | selecting pulse instead of alsa doesn't do anything either though |
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| [05:54:03] | justdave: | hmm, whadayaknow... |
| [05:54:04] | justdave: | FATAL: Module sound_hda_intel not found. |
| [05:54:35] | justdave: | er, nevermind |
| [05:54:39] | justdave: | helps if I spell it right |
| [05:54:44] | justdave: | snd instead of sound :) |
| [05:55:00] | clever: | ive got an hda on 1 system |
| [05:55:07] | clever: | needs a bit of proding to get it to work right |
| [05:56:18] | clever: | keith4: you want sudo -i |
| [05:56:32] | justdave: | the pre-release kernels all appear to be gone out of the repo (as far as I can tell from synaptic) |
| [05:56:42] | justdave: | so I can't back up one. |
| [05:57:00] | justdave: | the previous one I had before current seems to have disappeared as well. |
| [05:57:17] | justdave: | I thought it usually left one previous version around in case of problems :) |
| [05:57:34] | justdave: | so you could pick it from grub is things went wrong |
| [05:58:02] | justdave: | clever: remember what kind of prodding you had to do? |
| [05:58:23] | clever: | i forget what but i can probly google it up again |
| [05:58:36] | clever: | i even got several of those methods to work on a totaly diff distro |
| [05:59:08] | clever: | lol |
| [05:59:13] | clever: | its still in the history of google:P |
| [05:59:17] | clever: | (in firefox) |
| [05:59:43] | clever: | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller |
| [05:59:57] | clever: | it lists off over 10 diff ways to fix it |
| [06:00:03] | clever: | and which methods work on what computers |
| [06:01:04] | clever: | options snd-hda-intel model=dell-m42 |
| [06:01:10] | clever: | that appears to be what im using |
| [06:03:11] | clever: | method g |
| [06:03:41] | justdave: | neither of my sound cards have that pci id |
| [06:03:52] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:03:58] | clever: | laptop/desktop? |
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| [06:09:10] | justdave: | desktop |
| [06:09:25] | clever: | out of ideas then:P |
| [06:09:29] | clever: | #alsa ! |
| [06:09:48] | justdave: | the card the TV is actually plugged into identifies as C-Media CMI8768 |
| [06:11:53] | justdave: | looking around for that model number I see reports from 2 years ago saying it didn't work with the 2.6 kernel at all |
| [06:12:02] | justdave: | that can't be true, because it's been working for about a year for me :) |
| [06:12:14] | justdave: | (starting with Edgy) |
| [06:13:13] | clever: | they have broken thingson upgrade before:P |
| [06:13:24] | clever: | when i bumped my laptop to 7.10 the wifi up and stoped working |
| [06:13:37] | clever: | turns out it causes a hardlockup on some systems when booting |
| [06:13:46] | clever: | and if its on the mobo you cant remove the c ard to save yourself |
| [06:13:52] | clever: | so they disabled automatic loading |
| [06:14:13] | clever: | after i fix that it mostly worked except for 2 more problems |
| [06:14:32] | clever: | the driver lost a character from the essid |
| [06:14:47] | clever: | so connecting to bar would leave you searching for ba and never connecting |
| [06:15:15] | clever: | also from the source i read, the psysical io write kept timing out |
| [06:15:22] | clever: | causing the entire link to die for 10 seconds |
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| [07:23:01] | justdave: | ok, if I set the panel for OSS, it works. |
| [07:23:17] | justdave: | but myth doesn't appear to know how to speak oss (or I can't find where to tell it if it does) |
| [07:23:46] | justdave: | something's gotta be horked in the config somewhere |
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| [07:38:59] | clever: | justdave: under general setup in the frontend i think |
| [07:39:59] | lwizardl: | how do i find the frequency, etc settings for my DVB-S? |
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| [08:08:12] | justdave: | and the magic button was "IEC958 In Monitor" in alsamixer |
| [08:09:20] | justdave: | yay, TV has sound, I can sleep now. for a whole 2 hours |
| [08:09:42] | justdave: | needed it working before the kids get up or they'd be all hyper on their mom because the TV didn't work |
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| [08:26:50] | david: | hmm. anyone know of an internal CA reader to be mountned in either a 5.25 or 3.5" bay? |
| [08:26:56] | david: | *mounted |
| [08:27:53] | clever: | CA? |
| [08:28:14] | david: | hmm. perhaps they're called differently abroad :D |
| [08:28:24] | justinh: | should be easy to mod one |
| [08:28:25] | david: | the paycards so to speak |
| [08:28:27] | david: | CI? |
| [08:28:35] | justinh: | CA is right |
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| [08:28:44] | justinh: | conditional access thingy :D |
| [08:28:58] | david: | yeah :) |
| [08:29:05] | califdreas: | module |
| [08:29:15] | david: | I'm yet to find a nice reader |
| [08:29:27] | david: | they cost a fortune around here |
| [08:30:10] | david: | I'm supposed to be able to use a cardreader and one card with multiple tuners with software right? |
| [08:30:20] | david: | I'm pretty sure I've seen such solutions |
| [08:30:36] | david: | <- Swedish user with Boxer DVB-T on my mind |
| [08:30:59] | david: | it's hard to plan these things before I get hardware to play around with :P |
| [08:33:19] | justinh: | david: no it's strictly one card & CA per tuner with mythtv |
| [08:33:31] | david: | meh |
| [08:33:39] | david: | is this being worked on ? |
| [08:33:41] | justinh: | officially it is anyway – and as far as talk in here is concerned |
| [08:33:46] | david: | ah |
| [08:33:50] | david: | legal issues |
| [08:33:55] | justinh: | no, it's not being worked on & probably never will be |
| [08:33:57] | david: | I forgot about those :D |
| [08:34:01] | david: | hehehe |
| [08:34:07] | david: | damn you silly laws |
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| [08:34:24] | david: | it's legal here tho |
| [08:34:28] | david: | (still) |
| [08:34:53] | clever: | or so you claim:P |
| [08:34:59] | david: | well, it is |
| [08:35:10] | clever: | i could just claim i live in the middle of the ocean |
| [08:35:10] | david: | now law against it was ever passed |
| [08:35:15] | clever: | where there are no laws:P |
| [08:35:44] | clever: | that seems like a simple plan to run a pirated music site:P |
| [08:35:45] | david: | sweden never adopted any law against individuals breaking encryption etc |
| [08:35:52] | clever: | boat+solarpanel+sat uplink |
| [08:36:18] | david: | laws only forbid selling of hardware or software directly breaking encryptions |
| [08:36:42] | david: | not buildparts, drawings or whitepaper etc |
| [08:37:58] | AndyCap_: | anyone make a dual tuner + single ci slot card? |
| [08:38:18] | AndyCap_: | seeing how dual tuner boxes are pretty common these days |
| [08:38:22] | david: | there are lots of solutions for that |
| [08:38:46] | david: | hauppage makes USB CA modules etc |
| [08:39:15] | AndyCap_: | david: not a solution unless the linux drivers support it. |
| [08:39:16] | clever: | wont you need a software decoder for that then? |
| [08:39:29] | clever: | which gets into the topic of softcams |
| [08:39:39] | david: | yeah |
| [08:39:50] | clever: | and we ccant speak of them:P |
| [08:39:53] | david: | AndyCap_: there are solutions "around" |
| [08:40:03] | david: | and what clever just said |
| [08:40:08] | AndyCap_: | david: not what I asked |
| [08:40:17] | clever: | softcams make it too easy to debug the decoder and break it |
| [08:40:30] | david: | you mean a ready-made hardware solution? |
| [08:41:03] | david: | @ AndyCap_ |
| [08:41:37] | AndyCap_: | there are cards with ci-slots so a dual-tuner card isn't a stretch. |
| [08:43:04] | david: | there's no way in hell I'll get more than one subscripton for my house :B |
| [08:43:32] | clever: | how many of the channels arent encrypted? |
| [08:43:44] | david: | very few |
| [08:43:49] | clever: | you could just use a non decrypting tuner for those channels |
| [08:43:59] | clever: | which doesnt cover half of them so wont help much |
| [08:44:21] | david: | I enjoy the TV-server solution the Media-Portal guys cooked up |
| [08:44:45] | david: | it's just a shame they have a bad taste when it comes to operating systems ;) |
| [08:45:23] | clever: | winblows?:P |
| [08:45:46] | david: | aye |
| [08:45:53] | Dibblah: | Multi-tuner cards would need a CI per tuner, generally. |
| [08:45:55] | clever: | ugh! |
| [08:46:28] | clever: | isnt the CI used to do half the decrypting |
| [08:46:29] | david: | with their solution you insert n amounts of cards/tuners and just use one card |
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| [08:46:56] | clever: | use the ci card and the signal to get a 2nd key(which changes very often) |
| [08:46:58] | david: | *one card -> CI |
| [08:47:01] | clever: | then use that 2nd key to extract the video? |
| [08:47:11] | clever: | prod the card every 60 seconds for new key |
| [08:47:49] | Dibblah: | AFAIR, the encrypted stream passes into the CI, the decrypted one passes out. |
| [08:48:07] | clever: | ahh so ALL decryption is done in the card? |
| [08:48:07] | Dibblah: | Could very well be wrong, though. |
| [08:48:28] | clever: | with my idea on how it works you could pull out several keys at once |
| [08:48:35] | clever: | and get several channels decoding |
| [08:48:55] | clever: | but the details are hidden behind the taboo sign:P |
| [08:49:05] | Dibblah: | Indeed. |
| [08:49:22] | clever: | ive managed to track down my abort() on commflag_update |
| [08:49:25] | david: | can't say I know how it works, but a friend has one of those solutions where he just has one card via serial interface and multiple tuners |
| [08:49:40] | clever: | just need to abort it once more and i should see exactly why |
| [08:50:07] | clever: | the fact its serial means the entire video stream of several mb/sec isnt going thru it |
| [08:50:13] | david: | btw. anyone know of a good showcase video or whatnot of MythTV? |
| [08:50:21] | clever: | so im guessing it feeds keyA into the card to get keyB |
| [08:50:28] | clever: | then uses keyB to decode the stream |
| [08:50:37] | Dibblah: | No. It's not that simple. |
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| [08:51:00] | clever: | there would also be a keyC along with the algo inside the card |
| [08:51:09] | clever: | which cant be copyed |
| [08:51:10] | Dibblah: | david: That's a softcam and not discussed here. |
| [08:51:25] | david: | ok |
| [08:51:33] | david: | and yes I know :) |
| [08:51:40] | david: | just didn't know that was such a solution |
| [08:51:45] | Dibblah: | Just making it clear. |
| [08:51:52] | david: | ok :) |
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| [08:53:59] | david: | with all this regulation of how we use our TV, it's so strange and mindblowing that piracy is a common problem |
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| [08:54:23] | david: | I just don't understand why people do such things *grin* |
| [08:54:31] | david: | <- more coffee |
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| [09:02:32] | david: | I'm pretty excited to see how XBMC will work as a frontend for MythTV |
| [09:10:47] | Nik_Doof: | re ealier regarding DVB/CI, all streams are encrypted via CSA and the CI provides the key to that stream |
| [09:12:35] | clever: | but in theory you could use that key on multiple streams |
| [09:12:49] | clever: | its just a mater of the tuners sharing the card |
| [09:13:12] | Nik_Doof: | yes, as the CI/CAM only provides the key based on a few bits of key data from the stream |
| [09:13:13] | clever: | or a soft___ which reads and is made to share with itself |
| [09:13:23] | Nik_Doof: | *tuts* no no softcam :) |
| [09:13:31] | clever: | i never said that word:P |
| [09:14:07] | Nik_Doof: | iirc i did see a dual tuner with one CI, but that was quite a while ago |
| [09:14:54] | clever: | softcams can work like that on a wider range of hardware |
| [09:15:03] | clever: | but the problem is it also becomes simpler to crack it |
| [09:15:06] | Nik_Doof: | awayway, it is possible or the likes of Sky+ and HD boxes wouldnt work, dual tunes with one CAM |
| [09:15:11] | clever: | which we musnt speak of |
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| [09:58:34] | justinh: | I tried mediaportal the other week. still sluggish & yucky on my athlon 2800xp :( jerky scrolling, very unresponsive UI |
| [10:00:03] | justinh: | can just sit there apparently doing nothing & could I hell make it play files on my samba share. saw them ok just wouldn't play em. prolly missing codecs since all I use on this box is VLC |
| [10:00:15] | justinh: | codecs to play media. rofl |
| [10:00:30] | justinh: | how very 20th century :) |
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| [10:10:20] | elkin: | hi! |
| [10:11:02] | elkin: | I just got me a 8600gt nvidia! wow am I happy... |
| [10:11:22] | elkin: | then again I cant get the opengl thing working in mythtv. |
| [10:11:37] | elkin: | I get it to work one when watching a recording |
| [10:12:02] | elkin: | the second time it just plays the auido but the screen stays black |
| [10:12:39] | justinh: | sounds like the opengl video rendering bug in the driver |
| [10:12:44] | elkin: | does someone have a clue why? (using mythbuntu 8 and mythtv 0.21 |
| [10:12:58] | justinh: | ^^^^ |
| [10:15:38] | justinh: | I think the very newest driver has fixed the problem but if you're reluctant to update it maybe try editing the video playback profiles to use a different video renderer |
| [10:16:43] | elkin: | hi Justin (allways to my rescue) |
| [10:17:26] | elkin: | with newest driver you mean the beta 173.08? |
| [10:18:16] | justinh: | I don't keep up to speed with all the different driver versions. I use my hacked open source Intel driver for my frontend ;) |
| [10:18:57] | elkin: | but generaly I read that chromakey for nvidia 8600 does not work anyhow |
| [10:19:11] | elkin: | opengl has a nice osd, which I would like to use |
| [10:19:11] | justinh: | oh. xvmc eh. blech |
| [10:20:02] | elkin: | I just want an OSD what can use the full 1600 pixels of my screen regardless of the resolution of the recording |
| [10:20:15] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:20:44] | justinh: | have a search on the mythbuntu forums – there's bound to be somebody who really knows there – or maybe #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [10:20:56] | elkin: | I will try |
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| [12:10:49] | d110_: | When I install mythfrontend on my remote frontend computer it says 'No UPnP backends found' how do I setup my mythtv-0.21 backend to allow UPnP? |
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| [12:16:50] | jeffery: | I am getting a segfault whenever I load the mythweb page.. all was working fine until this afternoon.. no updates have been made... any ideas whats gone wrong? |
| [12:18:04] | d110_: | does the auto discovery feature of 0.21 work? |
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| [12:27:14] | antgel: | hi all, is it possible to have a release (package) and svn trunk co-existing on the same machine? i am using the 0.21 debian package but raised a bug report, and i should really try trunk but i don't want to move to trunk full-time. |
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| [13:01:10] | i386: | is it possible to set the MythUI renderer to OpenGL in a config file? |
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| [13:11:16] | janneg: | i386: no, only in the database. if you have problems starting with the qt painter you can start with -O ThemePainter=opengl |
| [13:11:59] | i386: | ahh thanks janneg |
| [13:12:03] | i386: | Ill try that |
| [13:12:31] | i386: | I get a strange QT related crash on os 10.4.7 |
| [13:12:43] | i386: | so I was wondering if switching renderers would help |
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| [13:37:37] | antgel: | if i build myth from source, do i have to make install to run it, or can i run it directly from the build directory? |
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| [14:06:49] | squish102: | does mythtv do this? i record something, i flag commercials, i have it not to auto skip commercials on playback, i start watching and when it hits commercial, i'd like to hit a key to skip to end |
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| [14:11:09] | gnome42: | squish102: home/end keys to skip forward or back to the next commercial marker |
| [14:25:18] | squish102: | thanks gnome42, do i have to go through the 'E' edit and 'Z' load pain? |
| [14:25:57] | gnome42: | nope, once it has been at least partially flagged you should be able to se those keys. |
| [14:26:15] | gnome42: | s/se/use/ :) |
| [14:26:55] | gnome42: | squish102: look for keys.txt.gz file in your myth folders for some info on the keys |
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| [14:59:57] | Aval0n-: | man |
| [14:59:59] | Aval0n-: | this board suxxxx |
| [15:00:07] | Aval0n-: | it won't overclock at all |
| [15:00:29] | Aval0n-: | you save the settings and when it reboots it goes completely back to default |
| [15:00:30] | Aval0n-: | heh |
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| [15:03:06] | XLV: | Aval0n-, does it prompt something like cmos error, defaults loaded or something? |
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| [15:21:49] | antgel: | i think i asked this inappropriately in the dev channel... |
| [15:22:00] | antgel: | do i have to make clean after changing --prefix? seems like a shame if i do. if i make install without making clean, it installs some files into the previous --prefix. specifically some perl stuff |
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| [15:23:15] | Anduin: | antgel: distclean, you need to regenerate the makefiles generated from the .pro files (distclean being one of the easiest ways) |
| [15:24:24] | antgel: | Anduin: damn, that's annoying. not as if it compiles in a minute. thank you |
| [15:25:07] | Anduin: | antgel: Well normally the Makefile would be regenerated with a simple build but it doesn't always work well. As for build speeds, ccache or you will go crazy. |
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| [15:26:54] | antgel: | Anduin: i never knew about ccache, thank you! |
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| [15:29:05] | Anduin: | antgel: Yeah, it is nice, and probably responsible for a certain amount of laziness about build issues (my build script always distcleans for example, something that would normally be crazy) |
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| [15:40:41] | antgel: | Anduin: so would you say my original issue is a bug? |
| [15:41:44] | Aval0n-: | dagmar you around? |
| [15:42:42] | GreyFoxx: | angt: What original issue? All you asked was about the make clean ? |
| [15:43:08] | Aval0n-: | greyfoxx: do you know much about 120v wiring? |
| [15:43:20] | GreyFoxx: | Aval0n-: nope |
| [15:43:24] | Aval0n-: | oki |
| [15:43:44] | PatrickDK: | what about wiring? |
| [15:43:51] | Aval0n-: | well |
| [15:43:59] | Aval0n-: | I'm troubleshooting a possible bad ground |
| [15:44:06] | antgel: | GreyFoxx: well, if i configure --prefix, make, make install, make uninstall, reconfigure with a different prefix, make install, a very few files are installed in the original prefix directory |
| [15:44:19] | Aval0n-: | neutral and ground should have very little resistance correct? |
| [15:44:29] | PatrickDK: | depends |
| [15:45:07] | Aval0n-: | oh? |
| [15:45:10] | GreyFoxx: | angt: You have to do a make distclean to remove the old Makefiles. Since technically you are changing some of the content of the makefiles |
| [15:45:10] | antgel: | GreyFoxx: i consider that a bug, and i don't think it's hard to fix as very few files were installed in the wrong place |
| [15:45:11] | PatrickDK: | this in a small house? and not gfci? |
| [15:45:25] | Aval0n-: | this outlet is not gfci |
| [15:46:09] | Aval0n-: | I do have a gfci circuit in the house for the kitchen and bathrooms |
| [15:46:12] | PatrickDK: | normally the neutral and ground are not allowed to touch each other, till it gets back to the first panel that power comes into the building |
| [15:46:13] | Aval0n-: | but this is not |
| [15:46:32] | PatrickDK: | so in most houses, they practically the same wire |
| [15:46:43] | PatrickDK: | and no resistance |
| [15:46:46] | GreyFoxx: | antgel: Personally I don't consider it a bug, but rather inproper compiling procedure, but if it's just a small section of files then do up a patch |
| [15:46:49] | Anduin: | antgel: The qmake generated dependencies do not go that far (nor is it easy to make them) so not really, just pointing out that there have been and probably are other similar dependencies issues. |
| [15:47:12] | PatrickDK: | but you are going have to check your panel to make sure they are the same, and they didn't ground them seperately or something |
| [15:47:21] | Aval0n-: | hmm |
| [15:47:24] | Aval0n-: | I'm confused |
| [15:47:27] | Anduin: | It is hard to patch, PREFIX results in a define and a change to config.mak and many makefile generations... |
| [15:47:34] | Aval0n-: | they aren't allowed to touch eachother but have 0 resistance |
| [15:47:34] | Aval0n-: | ? |
| [15:47:57] | antgel: | Actually, i looked at the perl makefiles and PREFIX looked correct (i.e. my newer prefix). weird |
| [15:47:58] | PatrickDK: | they aren't allowed to touch each other TILL they get to the first panel that power enters the building |
| [15:48:12] | Aval0n-: | ahh ok |
| [15:48:23] | Aval0n-: | when I test this outlet |
| [15:48:26] | PatrickDK: | the panel that has the ground-rods connected to it |
| [15:48:39] | Aval0n-: | with the breaker OFF outside I get .1 ohm resistance |
| [15:48:47] | Aval0n-: | with the breaker ON I get 30.0 to 75.0 |
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| [15:49:10] | PatrickDK: | ohms between what? |
| [15:49:15] | Aval0n-: | neurtal and ground |
| [15:49:19] | Aval0n-: | neutral |
| [15:49:40] | Aval0n-: | at the 120v plug I plug my mythtv system into |
| [15:49:40] | PatrickDK: | well, most likely you have some stray dc voltage confusing your meter |
| [15:50:00] | Aval0n-: | hmm where would that be coming from |
| [15:50:09] | PatrickDK: | anthing you have plugged in |
| [15:50:23] | Aval0n-: | hmm |
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| [15:51:17] | PatrickDK: | your meter probably outputs like 1–9volts |
| [15:51:22] | PatrickDK: | and if there is dc power on the line |
| [15:51:34] | PatrickDK: | it is going read the wrong voltage at the other end |
| [15:51:49] | PatrickDK: | why you test with the power off |
| [15:52:08] | Aval0n-: | why did i? |
| [15:52:13] | Tuv0k: | How does one delete an added storage group? |
| [15:52:38] | Anduin: | Tuv0k: probably d |
| [15:52:49] | Aval0n-: | because I took the outlet out to make sure the ground wire was secure |
| [15:52:53] | Aval0n-: | so I shut the power off |
| [15:53:03] | Aval0n-: | so I natrually test before I went back outside |
| [15:53:06] | Tuv0k: | Anduin, thx |
| [15:53:06] | Aval0n-: | though I found the problem |
| [15:53:07] | Aval0n-: | heh |
| [15:53:17] | Aval0n-: | then I turned the power back on and the resitance came back. |
| [15:54:06] | Aval0n-: | I get diagonal lines on any image off my pvr-50 |
| [15:54:08] | Aval0n-: | pvr500* |
| [15:54:17] | Aval0n-: | so I was wondering if it was grounding related |
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| [15:59:22] | justinh: | Aval0n-: probably is |
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| [16:03:33] | Aval0n-: | hm |
| [16:03:46] | Aval0n-: | where would I start to look? |
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| [16:04:29] | Aval0n-: | did you see me type up further justinh that when power is off I get .1 resistance between neutral and ground, but .30-.70 when power is on |
| [16:04:42] | Aval0n-: | measuring from the 120v outlet |
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| [16:07:46] | justinh: | neutral isn't 0 potential |
| [16:08:55] | justinh: | in the USA mains power is balanced so that it's 'safer' – you get -55 to 0 V on one side & 0V to 55V on the other side.. so I've been told anyway |
| [16:09:25] | justinh: | so basically the max you can get from one pin is 55V AC. that's the theory.. hence the 'safer' |
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| [16:11:03] | Aval0n-: | hmm |
| [16:11:08] | Aval0n-: | so my resistance test means squat? |
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| [16:11:23] | justinh: | basically yes |
| [16:11:40] | justinh: | you should measure the resistance between all the ground points in your system |
| [16:11:55] | Aval0n-: | from where? |
| [16:12:07] | Aval0n-: | from the ground pin on main wall A/C? |
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| [16:12:12] | justinh: | that'd be a valid test but be wary of voltages... |
| [16:12:33] | justinh: | from wherever you ground the TV, the PC, the cable connection ground... |
| [16:12:53] | Aval0n-: | ok |
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| [16:13:14] | Aval0n-: | and I should be getting very little resistance correct? |
| [16:13:26] | justinh: | tens of ohms at worst |
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| [16:14:56] | Aval0n-: | so .30 is ok |
| [16:14:59] | Aval0n-: | err |
| [16:15:01] | Aval0n-: | 30. |
| [16:15:20] | justinh: | 30 ohms? between two points you can readily access with meter probes? seems a tad high |
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| [16:16:10] | Aval0n-: | the odd thing is justin h |
| [16:16:18] | Aval0n-: | when I walk over to the outlet across the room |
| [16:16:25] | Aval0n-: | and measure between neutral and ground |
| [16:16:28] | Aval0n-: | I get .10 ohm |
| [16:16:37] | Aval0n-: | but this plug with power on I get 30.0 to 75.0 |
| [16:16:54] | Aval0n-: | I know where you were saying about the -55v on side |
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| [16:16:59] | Aval0n-: | but shouldn't they both match? |
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| [16:17:11] | justinh: | I assume it's a digital meter, based on the fact it still works! |
| [16:17:17] | Aval0n-: | yes |
| [16:17:21] | Aval0n-: | ;) |
| [16:17:26] | justinh: | you'd have fried an analogue meter by now |
| [16:17:35] | justinh: | putting 55V on a resistance range |
| [16:17:46] | Aval0n-: | hehe |
| [16:19:17] | Aval0n-: | so shouldn't they both match? |
| [16:19:25] | justinh: | hmm seems I was ill-informed |
| [16:19:31] | justinh: | sounded plausible though |
| [16:20:14] | Aval0n-: | ? |
| [16:20:25] | justinh: | 'live' is 110V AC |
| [16:20:46] | justinh: | not balanced as I described earlier. damn guy at work winding me up. was totally plausible though |
| [16:20:46] | Aval0n-: | that's what I though.. |
| [16:21:01] | Aval0n-: | ;) |
| [16:21:37] | justinh: | I remember thinking "wow that must make it a right pain to distribute" |
| [16:21:58] | Aval0n-: | so does the fact that I get 30–75 ohm between neutral and ground now it's hosed? |
| [16:22:08] | Aval0n-: | when the outlet across the room gives 0.1 |
| [16:22:26] | justinh: | I dunno but it's not unusual for a potential to exist between neutral & earth |
| [16:22:52] | Aval0n-: | hmm |
| [16:23:11] | Aval0n-: | so I'm really back at square 1 |
| [16:23:14] | justinh: | AFAIK neutral is grounded at the power station & at every distribution point – but then I never did do well with power electronics |
| [16:23:54] | Aval0n-: | well the fact that I test with power off |
| [16:23:56] | justinh: | in your home they're not the same thing and as far as I know neutral should never be regarded as 'safe' |
| [16:23:58] | Aval0n-: | and got 0.1 pohm |
| [16:24:00] | Aval0n-: | ohm |
| [16:24:13] | Aval0n-: | I tend to think it's grounded correctly at the breaker box |
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| [16:24:39] | Aval0n-: | because as patrick said earlier... the neurtal and ground shouldn't touch eachother until back at the breaker box |
| [16:24:41] | justinh: | if there's leakage going on, any voltage between N & E will mess up the resistance measurement |
| [16:24:59] | justinh: | maybe measure the _voltage_ between em instead |
| [16:25:02] | Aval0n-: | leakage from other electronics plugged in correct? |
| [16:25:07] | justinh: | can be |
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| [16:25:29] | justinh: | stuff like capacitors intended to reduce electrical noise etc |
| [16:26:17] | ** Aval0n- wonders if he should pick up a monster power conditioning strip ** | |
| [16:26:38] | justinh: | I once got a very tingly shock when I was plugging my PC into my hifi at my old place. The TV had its audio connected to the hifi too & was on at the time. I got my DVM out & there was 70V between the ground of the PC audio & the hifi! |
| [16:27:39] | Aval0n-: | heh |
| [16:27:41] | justinh: | caps on the TV chassis (which aren't generally earthed cos they're double-insulated appliances) leaking to gnd |
| [16:28:25] | Aval0n-: | crazy |
| [16:29:02] | justinh: | with everything plugged in separately – i.e. without the pC plugged into the TV, and without the cable plugged into the TV or the tuner on the PC, measure the voltage between the grounds on: the TV, the PC and then the cable itself |
| [16:30:10] | justinh: | my money would be on the cable feed not being well grounded |
| [16:30:42] | justinh: | that being the case it's the job of the cable co to put that right |
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| [16:38:27] | ^Nita^: | I read that mythtv does support the hardware mjpeg encoder chip found in Matrox G200..but does it also work with G400, G450 or G550? AFAIK those all use the same chip anyway |
| [16:39:26] | justinh: | as far as I know, they don't |
| [16:39:52] | justinh: | maybe the same VGA chipset yes, but not the same feature set |
| [16:40:55] | ^Nita^: | I wasn' |
| [16:41:10] | ^Nita^: | I wasn't talking about any other features than just the mjpeg encoder |
| [16:41:32] | justinh: | I've never seen any mention that any other matrox cards could do video capture |
| [16:41:49] | ^Nita^: | It's not about doing video capture |
| [16:42:16] | justinh: | yes it is |
| [16:42:28] | ^Nita^: | Mythtv does supply the video to the card and the card does the encoding in hardware. But I am asking if Mythtv does support G400+ also, not only G200 |
| [16:42:28] | justinh: | EN coder |
| [16:42:35] | justinh: | EN coding |
| [16:42:37] | ^Nita^: | encoder != capturing video |
| [16:42:38] | justinh: | not DE coding |
| [16:44:32] | ^Nita^: | Guess I'll try asking in #mythtv then |
| [16:44:38] | justinh: | pfft |
| [16:44:52] | justinh: | G200 & G400 cards have an mjpeg ENcoder for video capture |
| [16:45:34] | justinh: | DEcoding will still be done in software |
| [16:46:07] | justinh: | come here asking for advice but not listening to facts isn't gonna help you |
| [16:48:02] | justinh: | but hey it's not my problem. if you don't listen, I won't help. isn't gonna wreck my day. good luck! |
| [16:48:16] | quicksilver: | How does mythtv's internal player loook upscaling SD to HD? |
| [16:48:21] | ^Nita^: | I wasn't even asking about decoding :O |
| [16:48:39] | ^Nita^: | I was exactly asking if mythtv does support the encoder in those matrox cards or not :O |
| [16:48:41] | quicksilver: | or to ask the question another way, if you were connecting an SD mythbox to an HDTV would you let the myth do the upscaling or the TV? |
| [16:48:58] | justinh: | ^Nita^: get a tech dictionary and look up ENcoding and DEcoding |
| [16:49:42] | justinh: | quicksilver: YMMV. some TVs are better at scaling than others |
| [16:49:45] | ^Nita^: | What is your problem? Even in the first sentence I posted here I clearly asked if it does support the "encoder". I know what encoding means and I do know also what decoding means |
| [16:50:01] | justinh: | ^Nita^: the ENcoder is only used on their video capture cards |
| [16:50:03] | quicksilver: | justinh: try it an see I guess. But myth should do a decent job I guess? |
| [16:50:25] | justinh: | ^Nita^: it turns incoming video into MJPEG |
| [16:50:46] | justinh: | won't help mythtv turn MJPEG back into video as you were implying |
| [16:50:49] | ^Nita^: | Matrox G200 is not a video capture card yet you can even go to mythtv website and look for yourself that it clearly states that if you have a G200 you can use it to encode your video |
| [16:51:14] | ^Nita^: | Want a direct link, too? |
| [16:51:17] | justinh: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card |
| [16:51:32] | Lynet: | Ah. I think Nita is talking about using the chip on the card to do accelerated transcoding. |
| [16:51:48] | justinh: | I won't say what I think |
| [16:52:27] | justinh: | Marvel G200 Eclipse 350 nm 84 112 1x1 N 64-bit SDRAM. 230 MHz RAMDAC. TV in & out. Breakout box for extra I/O. AGP/PCI |
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| [16:52:44] | justinh: | ***** TV in & out ***** |
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| [16:53:34] | ^Nita^: | So, have I misunderstood it all then, that there are versions of G200 that have mjpeg encoder and ones that don't? |
| [16:53:43] | justinh: | seems to be the case |
| [16:55:27] | justinh: | as far as I know, there's nothing for linux to help with encoding video once it's been recorded |
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| [16:55:52] | justinh: | Mac users have that h.264 encoding USB gadget – that'd be cool to have supported in linux |
| [16:56:57] | antgel: | have just installed svn 0.21-fixes in /usr/local. but when i startup backend, log states: Using runtime prefix = /usr, libdir = /usr/lib. how do i tell it to use /usr/local and /usr/local/lib? |
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| [16:57:28] | Lynet: | Speaking of h.264, any news on when we might see support for acelerated decoding? |
| [16:57:33] | Anduin: | antgel: looks like that distclean didn't |
| [16:57:36] | ^Nita^: | I was just going to ask about that.. I have this server lying in my bedroom and it's more or less idle there. It'd be nice to backup my dvds, upload them there and leave it to encode. But it's so slow that it'd take days without any hw encoder.. -.- |
| [16:57:44] | antgel: | Anduin: *sigh* |
| [16:57:55] | antgel: | Anduin: is this a bug? ;) |
| [16:58:27] | iamlindoro: | antgel: Did you have an existing myth install when you started compiling fixes? |
| [16:58:43] | Anduin: | antgel: are you sure you don't have overlapping installs? (MythTV libs in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib) |
| [16:58:50] | iamlindoro: | ie, did you uninstall and purge all packaged versions before starting with your SVN compile |
| [16:58:55] | antgel: | iamlindoro: binary debian packages were installed during the compile |
| [17:00:28] | iamlindoro: | antgel: If you are referring to binary packages for mythtv, you don't do that when you intend to compile it-- what Anduin and I are both probably getting at is that all packaged and pre-existing versions of myth in your system should be purged before attempting a compile/install from source |
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| [17:01:11] | iamlindoro: | otherwise, as appears might be the case, you can have a binary version installed to /usr, and your compiled version in /usr/loca, or vice versa... and whichever comes first in the path will be the one to start |
| [17:01:57] | Anduin: | antgel: libmyth is where PREFIX gets stored (mythcontext.cpp) so if you want to look for something specifically, either that didn't get rebuilt correctly or you have an extra one |
| [17:02:23] | antgel: | iamlindoro: why should it matter if i have a binary packaged version installed? it's the version that i want to use once i've done some testing with -fixes from svn. |
| [17:02:45] | antgel: | iamlindoro: i have /explicitly/ started the version in /usr/local/bin/ |
| [17:03:12] | antgel: | Anduin: hmm, i'll have a look. i don't really want to purge my system of the binary packages |
| [17:03:19] | Anduin: | fixes and a binary version build from fixes will have the same lib names/versions |
| [17:03:30] | Anduin: | built even |
| [17:04:26] | Anduin: | MythTV doesn't depends on the system loader to find basic libraries so the prefix doesn't matter (you can LD_LIBRARY_PATH though) |
| [17:04:28] | antgel: | Anduin: mythcontext.cpp -> 4039 lines! |
| [17:05:17] | Anduin: | antgel: Yeah, not saying to look at it, just that is where PREFIX lives, you have binaries and source versions installed, the problem is now known. |
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| [17:07:38] | Anduin: | Hmm, sorta confused logic, seems I changed about half way through, things like libmyth are loaded implicitly by the system loader (unlike plugins and filters) so MythTV's prefix isn't involved. |
| [17:08:08] | Anduin: | You'd be depending on RPATH at best |
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| [17:31:00] | TelnetManta: | How exactly can I "uninstall" mythtv so I can start over? |
| [17:31:15] | Anduin: | TelnetManta: How did you install it? |
| [17:31:25] | TelnetManta: | I cannot scan any left circular transponders all of a sudden |
| [17:31:25] | |Torg|: | how did you install it to begin with? |
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| [17:31:33] | TelnetManta: | source |
| [17:31:42] | |Torg|: | make install? |
| [17:31:45] | TelnetManta: | yes |
| [17:32:00] | Anduin: | TelnetManta: make uninstall will get you most of the way there, doesn't get everything though |
| [17:32:02] | |Torg|: | make uninstall |
| [17:32:23] | |Torg|: | then go look in /usr/local for parts it missed like thems, libs etc |
| [17:32:27] | TelnetManta: | k, I tried a fre install from fixes last night and still have the problem |
| [17:32:43] | TelnetManta: | so I thought I better start as fresh as possible without reinstalling Ubuntu..... |
| [17:32:48] | TelnetManta: | *fresh |
| [17:33:02] | |Torg|: | as general rule the only things you need to make sure are gone are the libs and binairies |
| [17:34:19] | |Torg|: | and you may want to look into creating your own packages instead of make install |
| [17:34:20] | antgel: | TelnetManta: stow can help you keep /usr/local clean |
| [17:34:31] | TelnetManta: | should I delete anything myth related in /usr/local/lib |
| [17:35:03] | |Torg|: | TelnetManta: yes but not everything in /usr/local/lib is necessarily myth related |
| [17:35:11] | TelnetManta: | everything in mine is |
| [17:35:20] | TelnetManta: | all libmyth* |
| [17:35:21] | |Torg|: | do you have perl installed? |
| [17:35:28] | TelnetManta: | well I do see perl |
| [17:35:30] | |Torg|: | do you have python installed? |
| [17:35:34] | TelnetManta: | and python |
| [17:35:37] | TelnetManta: | lol |
| [17:35:40] | |Torg|: | do you have ruby insttalled? |
| [17:35:43] | TelnetManta: | no |
| [17:35:44] | |Torg|: | do you have java installed? |
| [17:35:46] | TelnetManta: | no |
| [17:35:57] | |Torg|: | these are all things that can reside in /usr/local/lib well partialy |
| [17:36:00] | TelnetManta: | theres also a mythtv folder with filters and plugins |
| [17:36:03] | |Torg|: | the point is BE SURE what you delete |
| [17:36:27] | |Torg|: | package managers can tell you if some package owns the file as well |
| [17:36:35] | antgel: | okay, i've removed my binary packages. now the backend can't connect to the database. "QSqlQuery::exec: database not open" |
| [17:36:46] | TelnetManta: | /usr/local the only place ? |
| [17:36:59] | |Torg|: | TelnetManta: yes, if you didnt implictly tell it otherwise |
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| [17:38:04] | |Torg|: | antgel: that means either mysql is not running, or that it can not connect (becase of netowkring, or improper settings) |
| [17:38:18] | TelnetManta: | thanks to both of you |
| [17:38:27] | TelnetManta: | hope this helps resolve my problem |
| [17:38:33] | TelnetManta: | erm issue |
| [17:38:47] | antgel: | |Torg|: have just checked. mysql is running, and i have not changed any mysql settings when i removed my mythtv binary packages |
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| [17:39:49] | |Torg|: | antgel: there should be some errors preceding that, they will usualy tell you what failed. It is simply the last error, the one that stoped myth. But if you really removed myth how then are you getting those errors? |
| [17:40:04] | antgel: | i hope when i removed the binary packages it didn't remove the myth mysql db :-O |
| [17:40:12] | |Torg|: | you can also get that from not having the mysql qt libs |
| [17:40:33] | antgel: | |Torg|: that's a possibility |
| [17:40:48] | |Torg|: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open is an error mythbackend will give you, it comes implictly from the qt drivers |
| [17:41:44] | antgel: | |Torg|: see above, i built -fixes svn in order to test whether an issue has been fixed. i had to remove my packages as the backend was looking in /usr and /usr/lib, not local |
| [17:42:43] | antgel: | |Torg|: thank you, great stuff. now to see if i can run a frontend :) |
| [17:42:50] | |Torg|: | antgel: if you installed it from svn, and did not change the install prefix, it went into /usr/local |
| [17:43:03] | |Torg|: | if you installed some package god knows where it went, /usr is common |
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| [17:43:24] | |Torg|: | you HAVE to remove those old packages, COMPLETLY before you can use newer software you compiled |
| [17:43:35] | |Torg|: | that or chang the linker, or change the oder in which the PATH is set |
| [17:43:59] | antgel: | |Torg|: well, i changed the prefix to /usr/local/stow, but that doesn't matter. i understand that. but when i ran the backend, it didn't look in /usr/local for libs etc, which seems counter-intuitive to me. /usr/local should always take precedence imo |
| [17:44:03] | antgel: | anyway it works now |
| [17:44:41] | antgel: | Using runtime prefix = /usr/local/stow/mythtv/svn/release-0-21-fixes/, libdir = /usr/local/stow/mythtv/svn/release-0-21-fixes//lib |
| [17:44:49] | |Torg|: | you compiled a dunamicly linkable piece of softweare, it will look in /usr/lib first for libraries. If you have old software with libs still there, it will use those instead |
| [17:45:07] | |Torg|: | and is /usr/local/stow/mythtv/svn/release-0-21-fixes//lib in your library path of the loader? |
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| [17:45:26] | antgel: | |Torg|: it's stowed now, the libraries are linked to in /usr/local/lib/ |
| [17:46:06] | |Torg|: | dont confuse the program with the libraries and do no confuse what you compiled it with agsint with your loader loads it with |
| [17:46:18] | |Torg|: | these are two sperate pices that need to work toghter |
| [17:46:29] | antgel: | |Torg|: i don't think i'm confused :) |
| [17:46:32] | |Torg|: | ldd the binaires and it will tell you which library it is looking at |
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| [18:00:20] | _Therock_: | is't posseble to have multi "live tv" profiles with different quality ? |
| [18:02:12] | justinh: | nope |
| [18:02:34] | TelnetManta: | does anyone know of a good guide to using DVB tools like scan, szap and dvbsnoop to test my dvb hardware? Im trying to track down an issue scanning left circular transponders. I cant scan any suddenly.... |
| [18:02:44] | _Therock_: | hmm |
| [18:02:58] | _Therock_: | any reason why it's not? |
| [18:04:50] | |Torg|: | TelnetManta: lynsat will tell you what transponders are on what sats, to use scan pay attention to the -a for a disec, the frequency table and some of the timeouts |
| [18:05:07] | |Torg|: | the dvb tools do change a bit from time to time so it is somewhat version dependant |
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| [19:05:13] | sshirley: | hey everyone! I have a question about xv and mythtv. I saw that somestimes when you use a particular application and then you go to watch livetv or recordings, xv blanks out the screen and you can only hear the audio. I have that problem right now. Anyone know of this or how to get the picture back? |
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| [19:11:39] | sshirley: | Wow. Kinda empty in here, huh? |
| [19:12:05] | |Torg|: | well I dont have that problem so I cant tell you anything |
| [19:13:28] | sshirley: | Damn. :-( |
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| [19:38:51] | psm321: | hi |
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| [19:39:27] | psm321: | is current svn supposed to be in a usable state? (yes, i know that svn is never guaranteed to be stable/usable, but wondering whether it's "expected" to work) |
| [19:39:39] | psm321: | (i'm having qt3 vs qt4 compile issues) |
| [19:40:59] | GreyFoxx: | It's expected to have instabilities, mainly related to the QT4 work |
| [19:41:18] | GreyFoxx: | I don't really have any problems, but we expect people to have some |
| [19:41:35] | Aval0n-: | justinh: you still around? |
| [19:42:37] | Aval0n-: | anyone have any recommendations on how I could go about flashing motherboard bios? I have no floppy. I tried creating a bootable CD but my motherboard handles the IDE cd-rom weird and tomato doesn't see it as a valid drive. |
| [19:42:47] | Aval0n-: | so no CDrom DOS support |
| [19:42:57] | Aval0n-: | I don't have a usb thumbdrive |
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| [19:43:44] | Lynet: | Aval0n-: Hmm.. Sounds like you have eliminated most options there.. What about netboot? |
| [19:43:47] | psm321: | GreyFoxx: so it should be compiling right? |
| [19:44:48] | Aval0n-: | I've never messed with it before |
| [19:44:52] | Aval0n-: | but I was thinking about it |
| [19:45:09] | Aval0n-: | could you point me in the right direction? |
| [19:45:18] | psm321: | Aval0n-: get a thumb drive, theyre cheap :) |
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| [19:45:38] | Aval0n-: | yeah... |
| [19:45:40] | Aval0n-: | I guess |
| [19:45:52] | Lynet: | But does the bios support boot from usb? |
| [19:46:29] | Aval0n-: | not sure |
| [19:46:33] | Aval0n-: | I havn't looked |
| [19:46:46] | Aval0n-: | since I didn't have thumbdrive I didn't even think t |
| [19:46:49] | Aval0n-: | to |
| [19:47:41] | Lynet: | Bios flash tools are dos only? I'd try googling for freedos netboot. |
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| [19:49:01] | a1fa: | /dev/sda1 485G 115G 346G 25% / |
| [19:49:03] | a1fa: | awww |
| [19:49:04] | a1fa: | :( |
| [19:49:04] | Tuv0k: | There is a job queue stuck @ 99% preventing other jobs from starting. Is there something I can do to refresh the job queue state besides restarting the backend? I've tried to delete the job from the frontend, but to no avail? |
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| [20:06:46] | _ZoC: | hello friends, there is the package for centos5 of mythtv ?! |
| [20:08:02] | iamlindoro_: | I would presume the atrpms myth stuff would work for centos as well |
| [20:08:23] | iamlindoro_: | And it appears I'm right: http://mirror.atrpms.net/centos/ |
| [20:10:12] | iamlindoro_: | also possibly helpful: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/atrpms/users/10395 |
| [20:11:31] | _ZoC: | iamlindoro_, ok, I'll check. Thank you man. |
| [20:11:38] | iamlindoro_: | np |
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| [20:20:38] | Aval0n-: | anyone know a board that supports c2d that's known to be a good overclocker? |
| [20:21:17] | iamlindoro_: | Asus P5-n32E SLI |
| [20:22:35] | Aval0n-: | cool |
| [20:22:40] | Aval0n-: | is that what you have iamlindoro? |
| [20:23:44] | iamlindoro_: | It's what's on our workstations at work-- very granular overclocking control, although I don't overclock (nor should you without a really good reason) |
| [20:24:02] | Aval0n-: | ;) |
| [20:24:08] | Aval0n-: | is there a non-sli version of that board? |
| [20:24:22] | Aval0n-: | the overclocking options on this foxconn board sucks |
| [20:24:26] | Aval0n-: | as to be expected though.. |
| [20:24:33] | iamlindoro_: | *Do* you have a good reason, or are you just trying to be "cool?" |
| [20:24:35] | Aval0n-: | 333mhz max fsb |
| [20:24:45] | Aval0n-: | be cool? |
| [20:24:46] | Aval0n-: | lol |
| [20:24:50] | Aval0n-: | it's fun? |
| [20:25:00] | iamlindoro_: | so the latter |
| [20:25:03] | Aval0n-: | my 2 other systems I have are watercooled o/ced systems |
| [20:25:10] | Aval0n-: | been running for years |
| [20:25:19] | Aval0n-: | and the reason I want to overclock this is because I want good hd playback |
| [20:25:26] | Aval0n-: | and I can't afford a real 2.6ghz c2d |
| [20:25:48] | Aval0n-: | if I can get this e6300 to 2.4ghz even i'de be happy |
| [20:25:52] | Aval0n-: | and I know it can do there |
| [20:26:03] | |Torg|: | are you CPU bound now? |
| [20:26:04] | Aval0n-: | I had it running stable for a month a 3.05ghz at work |
| [20:26:11] | Aval0n-: | hi torg ;) |
| [20:26:15] | |Torg|: | hi :) |
| [20:26:37] | Aval0n-: | where you been lately? |
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| [20:26:45] | |Torg|: | Minissota |
| [20:26:49] | Aval0n-: | ahh |
| [20:26:54] | Aval0n-: | you're always traveling |
| [20:27:02] | |Torg|: | its just work |
| [20:27:03] | Aval0n-: | where i'de catch you on the phone last time |
| [20:27:08] | Aval0n-: | you were out of town |
| [20:27:31] | |Torg|: | last time I belvive I was trying to figgure out where my htel was |
| [20:27:37] | Aval0n-: | hahahaha |
| [20:27:55] | Aval0n-: | _last_ time you were trying to figure out how many beers you were on |
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| [20:55:18] | K|NgGh0sT: | I was doing some searhing and I can't seem to find the issue, When I launch mythfrontend it puts it into mythtv-setup and then I get the errior "NO UPnP Backends Found" |
| [20:55:25] | K|NgGh0sT: | the backend is running though |
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| [20:57:07] | K|NgGh0sT: | this ha[[eend after I did a dist-upgrade (Runnign Debian) |
| [20:57:19] | kdubya: | do you want to use upnp? |
| [20:57:55] | K|NgGh0sT: | I dunno, I just want this to work again :) |
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| [20:58:05] | kdubya: | you probably dont |
| [20:58:14] | kdubya: | are you using a combined frontend/backend? |
| [20:58:39] | K|NgGh0sT: | on the same server? |
| [20:58:44] | kdubya: | heh |
| [20:58:56] | K|NgGh0sT: | Then yes |
| [20:59:01] | kdubya: | how many computers are running myth stuff |
| [20:59:06] | K|NgGh0sT: | Just the |
| [20:59:09] | K|NgGh0sT: | 1 |
| [20:59:13] | kdubya: | ok, you have not need for upnp |
| [20:59:34] | kdubya: | no* |
| [20:59:57] | K|NgGh0sT: | well thats just the first error, and then I get a question "Cannot login to database?" |
| [21:00:13] | |Torg|: | is mysql running? |
| [21:00:43] | K|NgGh0sT: | yes |
| [21:01:11] | kdubya: | do you have the right password for the database? |
| [21:01:30] | K|NgGh0sT: | Yeah, everything worked before I dist-upgraded |
| [21:01:34] | K|NgGh0sT: | then everything broke |
| [21:01:49] | K|NgGh0sT: | I rechecked all the login and passwords in mythsetup and they are right |
| [21:03:24] | K|NgGh0sT: | mysql -u root mythconverg doesn't work though |
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| [21:10:25] | K|NgGh0sT: | argh |
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| [21:25:59] | K|NgGh0sT: | well I found the issue, it's not accepting a connection to mythcoverg from mythtv |
| [21:26:07] | K|NgGh0sT: | so I changed itt o root, is this gonna be an issue? |
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| [21:28:39] | kdubya: | you need to give mythtv permission to access the database |
| [21:28:41] | kdubya: | oh he left |
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| [21:34:04] | Aval0n-: | that was an odd place to leave the conversation |
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| [21:37:58] | tvtunerhelp: | is myth-tv legal in the u.s? and if it is, how can i install it? |
| [21:38:12] | tvtunerhelp: | i tried metv but, it can't find my card :( |
| [21:38:52] | tvtunerhelp: | anyone? |
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| [21:39:11] | tvtunerhelp: | hi. |
| [21:40:00] | iamlindoro: | Why wouldn't Myth be legal in the US? |
| [21:40:19] | iamlindoro: | And you can install it by googling a howto for your linux distro and following it |
| [21:40:43] | tvtunerhelp: | okay, b/c add/remove said that it was a questionable program |
| [21:41:11] | iamlindoro: | add/remove on what? Questionable how? |
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| [21:41:27] | iamlindoro: | uhhhhhhhhh |
| [21:41:28] | iamlindoro: | ok |
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| [21:58:02] | frosty: | okay guys, i just installed mythtv and the database....then ubuntu said you must restart the database, i sort of x'd out of that window and now i can't run that command...without it, it doesn't look like mythtv can log in the the mysql database |
| [21:58:26] | frosty: | iamlindoro, you were helping me earlier, you afk? |
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| [22:02:33] | ajh: | So, which approach do you take if you're dealing with mpg dvb raw files and want to reduce the resolution and export them with 0.21? I've seen a lot of references to doing it, but nothing that wasn't fairly vague yet. |
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| [22:02:58] | ajh: | Mostly so the streaming from mythweb can be reasonably sized. |
| [22:03:10] | frosty: | guys, mythtv can't find my db |
| [22:03:13] | frosty: | any ideas? |
| [22:03:16] | frosty: | it's been created. |
| [22:03:28] | frosty: | and ubuntu told me to restart it, and i may have "x'd" out of it :( |
| [22:04:18] | frosty: | ajh, any ideas? |
| [22:05:00] | ajh: | check the logs. |
| [22:05:06] | ajh: | do all the steps by hand. |
| [22:05:16] | frosty: | how? i'm sort of a n00b |
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| [22:06:28] | ajh: | That I can't help with, you'll need to learn more about how unixen do things, there are some books out there on that as well as lots of howtos... look at how syslog works, and run mythfrontend from a command line so you can see the output. |
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| [22:15:48] | skamithi: | hi. i upgraded my mythfrontend recently. new frontend uses alsa hda_intel driver. old frontend used snd_intel8x0 drivers. with the new driver everytime the audio is reset by mythtv i hear a pop sound form the sound system . anyone experience such an issue with the hda_intel driver and have any suggestions for me to try ? searched web but not finding much. |
| [22:20:13] | frosty: | hi fellas, i'm having trouble configuring mythtv |
| [22:20:26] | frosty: | i know i can watch tv on this computer, bc i have on xp w/ media center edition |
| [22:20:46] | frosty: | now, could someone please help me configure this? (how do i find my card? |
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| [22:22:19] | janneg: | skamithi: no, I don't have such issues on notebook (intel chipset) or main frontend (nvidia chipset) which both use hda_intel |
| [22:23:28] | janneg: | but it could be a codec specific issue or a simple driver bug |
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| [22:28:47] | cal_: | what was the change to get the OSD to look better? I forget what i did before. its displaying more poorly and flickering.. like its using the resolution of the video stream (480p) rather than what my tv is actually set to (1080p) |
| [22:29:05] | skamithi: | thx janneg. upgrading my frontend has been pretty fun. this popping sound is the last thing i need to resolve. |
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| [22:30:27] | janneg: | skamithi: I assume you tried already different kernels/alsa drivers |
| [22:32:19] | skamithi: | different kernels yes. i will try using different versions of alsa. i'm at 0.16. just thought maybe someone else has seen it and will save me a couple of hours of troubleshooting :) |
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| [22:49:14] | skamithi: | janneg: i got lucky. first alsa version i downgraded to resolves the popping sound. alsa lib 1.0.14 works just fine. |
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| [23:05:14] | a1fa: | /dev/sda1 485G 115G 346G 25% / |
| [23:05:17] | a1fa: | awww |
| [23:05:20] | a1fa: | running out of space |
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| [23:31:02] | ajh: | any advantage to overclocking a gpu with myth if you're not using XvMC? |
| [23:31:45] | ajh: | or conversely, problems with underclocking |
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| [23:42:23] | ajh: | since it would be nice to be able to safely remove the fan from the video card. |
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| [23:42:47] | ajh: | by far the loudest thing in the frontend. |
| [23:43:07] | ajh: | then hopefully move to SSD next year if they come down in cost a bit. |
| [23:47:43] | shiznix: | i'd guess that overclocking would only be of benefit if you were in fact using XvMC |
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| [23:56:50] | pmahal: | anyone ever run into rmmod bttv freezing? i'm trying to setup a new system and it keeps doing that (worked fine on my old system) |
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