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kbidd:

I know i already asked, but its been a while, and got pushed off screen... im having some resolution problems. When I start up mythtv, my resolution gets set to 1280x1024. When I switch to live tv, it reajusts correctly to 2056x1024. Why is mythtv changing the resolution when the frontend starts (It is set to run in windowed mode, not fullscreen)?

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rushfan:

When Im watching high-def TV with my HDHR I get annoying clicks/pops in the audio

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kbidd:

rushfan, which audio codec are you using?

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rushfan:

kbidd: umm... ehhh, no idea. Was that something Id set in the options?

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kbidd:

rushfan, yeah, i think it was in the mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

No, you have no control over it with that type of recording

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kbidd:

I stand corrected

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GreyFoxx:

Its likely slightly corrupt AC3 audio

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rushfan:

GreyFoxx: Hmm... Is it my cables fault? Or my tuners?

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kbidd:

well, regardless of where it is, check which codec you are using, and make sure you have sand framerates set

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rushfan:

This didnt happen before :|

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hads:

There was discussion about supressing that on -dev recently wasn't there?

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rushfan:

kbidd: sand framerates>

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kbidd:

s/sand/sane :P

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hads:

Or it was included in a newer ffmpeg rev. or something.

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GreyFoxx:

hads: code when in recently to handle it

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hads:

Sweet

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npurciful:

is there a way to make mythtv open to 'Play DVD' commandline

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GreyFoxx:

kbidd: Those dont effect recordings of a dvb type nature like the has

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GreyFoxx:

hes just recording what his HDHR sees on the wire

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hads:

Not that I have noticed the issue here but nice to know it's sorted.

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rushfan:

GreyFoxx: Im going to see if switching off extra audio buffering will make a difference

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kbidd:

again, i stand corrected... im just gonna step out and let you take care of this one GreyFoxx :P

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rushfan:

GreyFoxx: and then, is waht you're saying that I cant do awhole lot about the issue?

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GreyFoxx:

rushfan: Its likely just poor signal and slightly corrupted audio. There is code in the dev tree to work around it if its not too bad

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rushfan:

Its only minor clicks every once and awhile

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GreyFoxx:

Not sure if the same code was put in -fixes or not

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rushfan:

GreyFoxx: although my signal is like 75%

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rushfan:

83% even

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rushfan:

oh no, a dead pixel :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

"I see dead pixels" <- Great t-shirt... ;-)

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Aval0n:

anyone in here run a pvr-500?

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frost0:

how come ubuntu says mythtv is illegal ?

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Aval0n:

frost0: I very much doubt ubuntu says that

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Aval0n:

especially since they offer it in packaged form....

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jamesd__:

frost0, probably some over zellous zellot read the law too carefully... they also say mp3, and other codecs if installed a linux system illegal.

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Aval0n:

there are some hacks for mythtv out that would aid in stealing TV service

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jamesd__:

if it aint free and gnu and gpl, its surely is against the law.

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Aval0n:

but myth does not support that

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MadddHattter:

hey

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MadddHattter:

Im looking to set up a box that is similar to a sling box or a hava media player

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MadddHattter:

i think mythtv is the way to go although it will cost more the laters have many restrictions

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MadddHattter:

where is the best place to start reading up

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, http://www.mythtv.org

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mlieber:

will i be able to transmit video over my network using wireless g/n or will it be iffy ?

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hads:

:)

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MadddHattter:

is going the diy route better then commercial

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kormoc:

mlieber, depends on the video and your signal quality

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MadddHattter:

like the hava and the slingbox dont have pvr which in my opinion is the most important

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, we all think so given we all use myth

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MadddHattter:

lol

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mlieber:

im just setting up the infrastructure for my mythboxes

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mlieber:

say i recorded on the highest quality

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hads:

From what source.

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MadddHattter:

ive tried myth with my old hauppauge in the past but i want to build a new box for me and my bro

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mlieber:

hauppauge

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mlieber:

from my STB

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mlieber:

i havent bought my tuner card yet

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hads:

So I'm guessing that means a PVRx50 card.

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kormoc:

mlieber, Standard Def should work fine, HD likely won't with G, might with N

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MadddHattter:

<+kormoc> is it recommended going with a linux distribution that preinstalls mythtv such as ubuntu-myth or doing it my self

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mlieber:

Will HD be fine with CAT5 ?

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mlieber:

for now I'm all SD until the new Hauppauge HD card comes out that will capture off my STB ... but I just want to set myself up for the future

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mlieber:

Right now im semi-wired for cat5 ... but when I'm going HD if I will end Up needing CAT6 ... I'll pull out my existing cat5 and replace it

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mlieber:

I just dont know how to best set myself up for the future

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kormoc:

mlieber, cat5 should work fine, seems to work fine for me at least, but I'm only testing short 720p videos

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, personally, I use gentoo, so I believe you should do it all yourself. Others disagree

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hads:

Cat5e will do Gbit so it will be fine.

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MadddHattter:

is their an official forum so i can read up on others experiences setting up a dedicated box

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hads:

I use Ubuntu myself but compile myth from source.

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mlieber:

for at least a few years had ?

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tmba:

GRR! ERROR: media-plugins/mythvideo-0.21_p17105 failed.

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MadddHattter:

like im looking to set up a box with i guess a dual tuner card with 500gb to a terabyte and be able to remotely record and stream media two multiple laptops for me and my brother when where out of the country

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, keep in mind, your internet connection might not have enough bandwidth to do it

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MadddHattter:

ive got a decent connection

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MadddHattter:

i hope it will hold up im not looking for hd streaming but decent i guess

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MadddHattter:

like if u have used hulu they have ok quality i wouldnt mind a little better then that

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, well, you'll likely need a 20 megabit upstream connection to stream 1 hd stream to the world

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, haha, that's gonna involve encoding. Mythweb has a beta flash player that is semi good, but still needs work

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MadddHattter:

i think hava and slingbox use 768kb

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, the point is, myth currently doesn't re-encode, they do

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MadddHattter:

well i could always just encode straight to the low bitrate video

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MadddHattter:

eliminting the nead to reencode

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, not with HD, it's already an encoded stream when it comes down. SD would work that way though

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MadddHattter:

my source would be a sd from my cable line

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MadddHattter:

i gues then i have no need to invest in a card with hdtv

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MadddHattter:

just the basic 74 channels no cable box required

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MadddHattter:

i originally wanted to get this http://www.myhava.com/product_hava_wireless_hd.html if i could build soemthing close to that for 180 would be amazing the problem is it doesnt have a real pvr

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MadddHattter:

if i could spend 250 for a comprobale system with say 500 gigs would be amazing

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MadddHattter:

do u think im setting my price to low or my dream is possible

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MadddHattter:

with the help of newegg

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MadddHattter:

<+kormoc> what do u think

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hads:

Sounds far too low to me, not that I know anything about US prices.

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MadddHattter:

what would u estimate it costing curiously

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, that's rather low imho. A 500 gb drive is $90 by itself, that gives you $160 for a tuner + ram + cpu + mobo + case + power supply.

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kormoc:

it /could/ be done, but would be fairly hard

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, I spent around $600 on my first dedicated mythbox

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MadddHattter:

im sure yours is a whole htpc if im not mistaken

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MadddHattter:

this thing is going to be a gray box sitting next to my router

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, the only difference is I had a video card in mine, you won't need one (after setup)

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MadddHattter:

yep

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kormoc:

tho, that was a shuttle sized case

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kormoc:

MadddHattter, my video card was only $30 of that $600

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MadddHattter:

really all i need is a box, power supply, mobo, cpu, ram, and tuner

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MadddHattter:

and hard drive

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MadddHattter:

i could be forgetting stuff u no whey more then i do

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MadddHattter:

are the non hdtv card that cpu intensive

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Kazan:

many analog cards require CPU time

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Kazan:

any of them that doesn't have a hardware encoder chip

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MadddHattter:

the hardware mpeg 2 also?

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cesman:

no

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cesman:

hence the "hardware mpeg2"

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hads:

heh

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MadddHattter:

please feal free to correct and critisize me i know i dont know that much

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MadddHattter:

<+kormoc> what where youre expsenses?

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cesman:

sorry, it wasn't meant as a critic

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MadddHattter:

im serious i like it thats how u learn

[03:03:07]

MadddHattter:

the hardware mpeg2 are only non cpu intentsive when encoding to mpeg2 but not other codecs is that correct

[03:03:29]

MadddHattter:

say if i wanted to encode to a lossy low bitrate mpeg4 codec

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MadddHattter:

that would use the cpu because it would be re encoding i guees from its non native format

[03:06:38]

MadddHattter:

im I incorrect?

[03:06:48]

MadddHattter:

am I incorrect?

[03:10:16]

MadddHattter:

<+kormoc> i would apreciate your opinion

[03:11:36]

clever:

if i load http://backendip:6543/ in my browser

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clever:

it segfaults!

[03:14:30]

MadddHattter:

is ebay the best place to look for a cheap barebone

[03:17:09]

Pryon:

build it yourself

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Dagmar:

Probably much easier and cheaper to just scout around TomsHardware and/or Anandtech and then order stuff from NewEgg

[03:18:05]

Dagmar:

clever: Your browser segfaults?

[03:18:13]

MadddHattter:

k

[03:18:15]

clever:

Dagmar: no mythbackend

[03:18:25]

clever:

which is a pain in the ass when i kill the master and dont notice

[03:18:26]

Dagmar:

OKay, well, for one thing, THAT'S NOT A WEBSERVER

[03:18:31]

clever:

i know

[03:18:36]

clever:

but i keep getting the 6544 port wrong

[03:18:38]

Dagmar:

You're supposed to telnet into the damn thing

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MadddHattter:

dagamr do u know alot about building boxes

[03:18:46]

Dagmar:

MadddHattter: Wayy too much

[03:18:52]

MadddHattter:

lol

[03:18:56]

clever:

Dagmar: but with the old version, if i got the wrong port, it would just sprew errors

[03:19:02]

MadddHattter:

can i pm u

[03:19:04]

Dagmar:

In total I've probably built 3,000–4,000 machines

[03:19:08]

clever:

now it explodes and leaves the system unable to record things

[03:19:16]

Dagmar:

So feel free to file a bug report on that

[03:19:26]

Dagmar:

I don't do PMs

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MadddHattter:

k

[03:19:33]

clever:

i thought one of the people in here would allready know about it

[03:19:50]

Dagmar:

Mainly the people in here don't try to use things for that which they weren't intended

[03:19:53]

clever:

i can file a bug and backtrace tomorow

[03:20:09]

Dagmar:

That telnet handler is probably a nightmarish mass of buffer overflows

[03:20:13]

MadddHattter:

Dagmar i just want to build a really cheap pvr box thats is capable of streaming

[03:20:24]

clever:

Dagmar: i thought the telnet was only on the frontend

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Dagmar:

MaddHunter: Pretty much any "modern" system is going to have enough power for that

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clever:

this is the backend thats exploding

[03:21:04]

Dagmar:

clever: s/telnet/socket/;

[03:21:08]

Dagmar:

Doesn't really matter

[03:21:19]

MadddHattter:

i originally wanted this http://www.myhava.com/product_hava_wireless_hd.html which is only a mere 180 but it has a undesirable pvr

[03:21:27]

clever:

i though the 6543 was for the mythtv protocol

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Dagmar:

About the only difference between telnet and a bare TCP socket is the retardedly complex IAH protocols

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clever:

which needs 8 character size prefixes

[03:21:56]

clever:

i made a crude telnetish client which handles those for me

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MadddHattter:

dagmar can i build a decent system for 250–300 including say 500gig hd

[03:22:21]

Dagmar:

MadddHattter: Don't expect wireless to stream much beyond SD streams.

[03:22:31]

clever:

before it would spew an error that GET / HTTP... isnt a valid size prefix

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Dagmar:

Getting the throughput and latency behaving over 802.11 is a fun job all by itself unless you live deep in the woods and have no pacemakers, microwave ovens, or cordless phones around.

[03:23:10]

MadddHattter:

i only need a mere 768kb bitrate file

[03:23:25]

MadddHattter:

i need it to stream to me when im out of the country

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clever:

Dagmar: im getting ok bandwidth on wifi with a microwave inches away from my mythtv master

[03:23:30]

Dagmar:

MaddHatter: Just price out for the minimum specs the installation howto recommends.

[03:23:34]

clever:

(though that box isnt using wifi)

[03:23:42]

Dagmar:

i.e., 256Mb of RAM per tuner, 1.8Ghz CPU (or so)

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Dagmar:

clever: Try that with it running. You'll generally see some degradation, or you have a very well-shielded microwave oven (always a plus)

[03:24:30]

clever:

the microwave is as old as me

[03:24:31]

clever:

21 years

[03:24:49]

clever:

my parrents got it to thaw frozen baby food:P

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MadddHattter:

is there a place i can get a box, ram, cpu mobo for like 150

[03:25:12]

MadddHattter:

fans ect

[03:25:28]

MadddHattter:

and then i purcashe a card and a hd

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Dagmar:

Expect to spend about $85 on a case and PSU, or at least $25 on both parts

[03:25:55]

Dagmar:

Do NOT buy a super-cheap-ass PSU.

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clever:

only using wifi on 2 systems right now and they are normaly atleast 4 feet away from the microwave

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MadddHattter:

Dagmar is it worth building a pre built system

[03:26:15]

MadddHattter:

i mean buying

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Dagmar:

They tend to not even pump out the power they say they're supposed to, and when a PSU dies, there's a _large_ chance it can take your gear with it

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Dagmar:

"Pre-built" in this case amounts to all of six screws, man.

[03:26:46]

Dagmar:

It's actually trivially easy to install a motherboard in an empty case.

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Dagmar:

...and after that there's very little you need a screwdriver for.

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MadddHattter:

o im not worried about that just price

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Dagmar:

You will likely not find any kind of worthwhile discount buying them pre-installed.

[03:27:40]

MadddHattter:

evrytime i price it , it always seems like it will be cheaper buying an acer or dell or emachine

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Dagmar:

It might, but they'll be _cheap_.

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Dagmar:

Dell tends to use the same manufacturing plants as say, ECS and PCChips

[03:28:26]

Dagmar:

You really, REALLY don't want a PCChips board.

[03:28:30]

Dagmar:

Or FoxVonn

[03:28:32]

Dagmar:

er FoxConn

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Dagmar:

ASRock has some very decent motherboards

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MadddHattter:

i just need this box to sit their and record and tsream the stuff to me when im out of the country

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Dagmar:

Almost all of NewEgg's RAM is "okay", including the cheap stuff, but don't shy away from buying a name brand there (Corsair, Micron, Kensington) over $5–6 a stick

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MadddHattter:

k

[03:31:34]

MadddHattter:

does mythtv have a good user interface for when i want the acees the box from another location over the web

[03:32:37]

cesman:

MythWeb

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cesman:

in terms of other access to the box, that isn't a MythTV issue

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MadddHattter:

k

[03:33:12]

cesman:

ssh, vnc, etc. is up to you...

[03:33:28]

MadddHattter:

is evryone using schedules direct or theirs a free alternative

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cesman:

schedules direct all the way!

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MadddHattter:

it does cost money im not trying to be antagonistic

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cesman:

$20.00 a year dude...

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cesman:

that is nothing when it comes to building one's own PVR

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MadddHattter:

k

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Dagmar:

Basically, that pays for people to actually keep the data rolling nice and uninterrupted

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MadddHattter:

is there a MythWeb i could try out if possible

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xris:

MadddHattter: you mean like a demo? not likely

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cesman:

no, there isn't a demo

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cesman:

hi xris

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xris:

evening

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Dagmar:

Although....

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Dagmar:

If you're *creative*...

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Dagmar:

...and know how to use Google...

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kormoc:

don't give him ideas

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Dagmar:

There's all kinda short bus riders out there who have left their MythWeb installations unprotected by login/password.

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Dagmar:

heh

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MadddHattter:

i know of the google trick

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Dagmar:

In the words of a penetration tester I know: "Why the *fuck* am I paying for cable?!?!"

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MadddHattter:

juts would like a legal one

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MadddHattter:

is the WinTV-PVR-350 best for my needs

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MadddHattter:

or is there a better hauppauge crad to go with for just sd

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Dagmar:

You probably _don't_ want the 350, actually.

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Dagmar:

A 350 is just a 150 with a sub-standard s-video output.

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Dagmar:

...and basically, even a $25 nVidia card will have a more useful s-video output

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Dagmar:

...and support GL.

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cesman:

"sub-standard"?!

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MadddHattter:

but it only has 1 tuner

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MadddHattter:

isnt dual tuner better

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Dagmar:

So does the 150.

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J-e-f-f-A:

MadddHattter, Then you want a 500 if you want dual-tuner.

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cesman:

for years folks seem to have touted the 350's TV out....

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Dagmar:

If you want to record two shows at once, you need the PVR-500.

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MadddHattter:

the 350 is 2 i thout was dual

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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cesman:

that is the 500

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MadddHattter:

my mistake

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cesman:

the 350 has a decoder and TV out

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cesman:

however, is _isn't_ a video card

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J-e-f-f-A:

The 350 has the best video out, but it's not well supported anymore... best to save the $$$ and buy a 150 and use an nvidia for output.

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Dagmar:

Even an nVidia 5200's output supports the "magic interlacer" that the nVidia driver has.

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Dagmar:

All this mucking about people do with interlacing/deinterlacing simply doesn't come into the picture if you're using the nVidia binary drivers.

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Dagmar:

The driver just "figures it out"

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MadddHattter:

seems like its cheaper just to get 2 150's

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Dagmar:

By about $10–15 maybe

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Dagmar:

The pricing is pretty close.

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J-e-f-f-A:

MadddHattter, But the 500 is one slot, the 150's take up one each...

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Dagmar:

Oh, and AVOID the ASUS-A8V line of motherboards by the way

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MadddHattter:

k

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Dagmar:

The A8V is a total wash, and the derivatives (A8V-NX etc) have the same problem to greater or lesser degrees if you try to use them with a PVR-500

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MadddHattter:

im sure i would rarely use the dual tuner

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Dagmar:

The pVR-500 card is literally two PVR-150's behind a PCI bridge.

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Dagmar:

That PCI bridge _freaks out_ the BIOS on the ASUS A8V boards and causes them to _not POST_.

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MadddHattter:

seems like there alot of 150 versions on new egg

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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cesman:

MadddHattter: http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=8 is you are looking for hardware recommendations

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Dagmar:

So long as you get PAL or NTSC correct, the rest is mainly just packaging, and whether or not it comes with a built-in socket to deal with IR remotes, comes with a remote, and the IR dongle-thingie

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Dagmar:

...and before they confuse you, the "MCE" part in the part number doesn't mean shit to us.

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MadddHattter:

k

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Dagmar:

It only matters if you're buying the card to use in a Windows box, where "MCE" means "you don't get windows drivers"

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Dagmar:

...and sometimes you get the drivers, but you definitely don't get the Windows TV2000 software from Hauppauge that you don't need.

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MadddHattter:

ive been looking here cesman http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10

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cesman:

ahh ok

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** J-e-f-f-A likes his new Asus M2N-E — AMD AM2 socket – 6 Sata, 3 pci, 3 PCIe (1x16, 1x4, 1x1) – DDR2 800... **

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MadddHattter:

so ill go with this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116633

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cesman:

the link I gave you is complete system recommendations that are known to just work

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cesman:

while the users post systems thier are using w/ KnoppMyth, you should have no issue w/ whatever distro you use (I think ;)...

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MadddHattter:

k

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MadddHattter:

thnx

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MadddHattter:

with hard drives

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kormoc:

cesman, his goal is complete system for less then $250

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MadddHattter:

i think i might be lucky and may get a not that old system free

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cesman:

kormoc: ok...

[03:54:04]

cesman:

he can still search...

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MadddHattter:

i am

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cesman:

people have been putting recommendations on their for years

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kormoc:

cesman, well, mainly in case you have links to super cheap suckers :)

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MadddHattter:

if anybody could configgure a system inlcuding say 500 gig hard drive and the hauppauge 150 for 250 it owuld be amzing

[03:55:04]

** cesman wouldn't recommend super cheap **

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cesman:

MadddHattter: you may not want to spend much, but do your homework first

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cesman:

MadddHattter: _Don't_ but ECS

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MadddHattter:

i dont mind cheap because i just need this to record the simspson 30 rock sienfeld and stream it to me wehn im travelling

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MadddHattter:

cesman do u think my dream is possible for 250

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cesman:

MadddHattter: _cheap_ is going to make it so you cannot watch your shows while you're away

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cesman:

yes, I think it is possible

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cesman:

what all are you trying to buy?

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MadddHattter:

my eee pc is going to be what im watching it on

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cesman:

an entire systems? mb, cpu, ram, hard drive , case and tuner?

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kormoc:

well damn, $245.95 + shipping

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MadddHattter:

for what

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cesman:

MadddHattter: where do you live?

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MadddHattter:

usa why

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kormoc:

http://pastebin.ca/996694

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cesman:

because if you want cheap ($) and not cheap quality, I was going to suggest a computer show perhaps...

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kormoc:

now that said, it should work fine, the mounting for the micro-atx in atx /should/ work, but no idea with such a cheap case

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MadddHattter:

k

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MadddHattter:

thnx im looking aty it all now

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MadddHattter:

kormoc is that all i need

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kormoc:

should be

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MadddHattter:

thnx

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MadddHattter:

it comes with all the fans

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MadddHattter:

and the cpu is good enough for encoding

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MadddHattter:

thanks for all your help evrybody gtg

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MadddHattter:

hope to be back soon

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xris:

grumble. almost 10pm night before leaving to set up for a mythtv demo.. and I'm just now installing the OS. (stupid beta install earlier didn't work with the video drivers)

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Chutt:

yay for linux

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kormoc:

hehe

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xris:

stressy day at work doesn't help

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris, Who/what's the demo for?

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: linuxfestnorthwest.org

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kormoc:

xris, we doing any setup for your talk?

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xris:

probably just taking the machine

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I'm jealous... ;-) I'd love to go to a Linuxfest... do they have one in the Northeast?

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: it's just a "small show" put on by a local LUG

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Well, by 7 LUG's according to the site... ;-)

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xris:

yeah. was somewhere around 1500–2000 people last year

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Wow... ;-) Sounds like the "World of Amiga" show I went to in NY in 1991... ;-)

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xris:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

It was at that show that one vendor of an accelerator card (68030 @ 66mhz IIRC) was running a 3-minute loop of "Total Recall", playing back at 30fps, 640x480 in 4096 colors (Amiga HAM mode)... Not bad for 1991.. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

... From a 20MB hard drive IIRC...

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xris:

heh

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xris:

yay, only 650 packages to download/install now

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** J-e-f-f-A is scouring the web to see if he can find a video or something of it... **

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** J-e-f-f-A found youtube videos of the animations... Still watching to see if there are any shots of the video clip... **

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AcTiVaTe:

The only thing I saw playing a Total Recall movie in that time was an AIX machine

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J-e-f-f-A:

AcTiVaTe, I remember it – it was the scene right after they activated the reactor, and were thrust out onto the planet surface... with their faces getting all goofed up, then back to normal as oxygen was generated...

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justinh:

lol @ the forum guy with a 500mhz epia moaning that 0.21 uses too much CPU. awwwwwwwwww!

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Tell him to try Vista instead... ;-)

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justinh:

by the sound of things it's largely ok apart from when the scheduler does its thang

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justinh:

maybe when (if?) myth uses a spiffy embedded db everything will be dory again – we just don't know :)

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justinh:

but then when you see the BFSQ you've got to respect its authoritae

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justinh:

it's one scary query

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justinh:

ugh what's all this win32 crap in my svn checkout?!

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justinh:

UGH!

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J-e-f-f-A:

you mean "svn up --not-win32-crap" didn't work?

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

can't there be a rapidshare host for the windows shite instead?

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justinh:

about the required level I think, rapidshare

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe.. ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

They'll all look quizzically at it if it doesn't come in an MSI or a VISE installer, anyway... "What's a Tuh-guh-zuh? (tgz)"

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justinh:

nah – needs to be summink winrar can't open

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iamlindoro_:

yenc?

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iamlindoro_:

mythtvstuff.txt in yenc, hehehe

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justinh:

MyThTv.r0ckz0r.1337.install.Ju5k1.part01.nzb

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justinh:

saw something cool but quite jarring on my way into work. staff clearing up a vehicle fire on the motorway – an articulated truck containing chemical drums had caught fire. thing was the truck didn't have hazchem badges on it. wtf is going up & down the roads without markings? the electroplating company next to where I used to work regularly gets deliveries of *nasty* acids via unmarked vehicles. wtf is up with that?!

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james_:

hi

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james_:

can someone help me with getting my cards working for mythtv

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justinh:

uhoh

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justinh:

people can help once you start saying what's up

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justinh:

need iiiinput :)

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james_:

I have a kworld ATSC 110 card and can't get it working (scanning channels etc) for bcast

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james_:

also have a PVR-150 (I'm sure this one is auto installed)

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justinh:

do you know it works in linux already? I mean have you had it working outside mythtv already?

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james_:

and a Twinhan 103g DVB card that mythtv calls it a generitech

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james_:

justinh, nope have done nothing this time to install it

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justinh:

steap 1. prove the hardware works in linux first, outside of mythtv

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james_:

last time I tried this jamesd was helping me and My old computer wouldn't work for mythtv always got a blue screen and now I have a real pc for this

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justinh:

the problem with all those all-in-one mythtv distros is that they don't provide an easy way for you to test all the hardware before setting out with mythtv and that can be a bad thing IMHO

[07:06:11]

justinh:

back to step 1. prove the hardware works outside mythtv in linux

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justinh:

if you're confident that the hardware you have is supported in the version of linux you've got you can skip step 1 but it's really not a good idea generally

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justinh:

after being sure the hardware will work in linux, it's not just important to make sure you select the correct capture card type in mythtv-setup. it is IMPERATIVE

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justinh:

pvr-150 cards should be set as MPEG2 encoders. DVB & some ATSC tuners should be set as DVB tuner types and other ATSC tuners should be set as the ATSC type

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J-e-f-f-A:

btw justinh – what are you doing up so late? Oh, wait, it's like 8am in the uk, isn't it... What are you doing up so EARLY? ;-)

[07:09:05]

justinh:

the default setting mythtv-setup uses for new cards is for v4l framegrabber cards – which will be incorrect. it doesn't detect ANYTHING

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: early to work, early to home :P

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james_:

ok well i think it loaded my kworld card finally

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james_:

saa7133[0]: registered device video1 [v4l2]

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

DVB tuners should have device nodes in /dev/dvb

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J-e-f-f-A:

... That's probably the anlalog, frame-grabber side of the card, if it's anything like a Hd5500...

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james_:

can I have dmesg into a text file?

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justinh:

dmesg > somefile.txt

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james_:

ok

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justinh:

ahh screw it. #linux101 is for all this stuff

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J-e-f-f-A:

or if you're looking for something... dmesg |grep -i dvb (-i makes case-independnt)

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james_:

it just files the screen and I miss somethings if I just use dmesg

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J-e-f-f-A:

And I've got to get to bed... 3:15am... ;-)

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VanessaE:

there we go.

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J-e-f-f-A:

james_, "dmesg |more" <- one screen at a time – space for next screen ..

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VanessaE:

Ok, this is probably dead obvious but I've found no answer via the web. I used a perl script to fetch tv listings, which created a file named xmltv.xml. Where do I put it and what exactly do I name it (for USA listings) to talk mythtv into using it?

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Balachmar:

Is there a way to record programs that match a part of a string (programname)

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james_:

ok this is what i get from checking the dvb with dmesg http://wizardsarcade.com/mythtv/dvb.txt

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godsyn:

Please asssist, google has failed me :( I am attempting to troubleshoot and resolve the lack of thumbnail images (they seem to be dark shades of solid brown/grey instead of actuial images of the recording) within mythweb. I am using the default theme. Where would I start? Using .21

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justinh:

heh so many people place importance on those damn thumbs

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xris:

yeah, they're pretty, though. :)

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justinh:

disabled here, for fastererer loadering

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justinh:

james_: your card needs firmware. find the firmware & copy it to the correct location and then the card may stand a chance of working

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justinh:

a hint here would be to see if the card has a page in the mythtv wiki, or a wiki for your distro

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james_:

justinh, my kworld card I've done that already

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justinh:

and something tells me that wasn't the whole output of dmesg

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VanessaE:

kworld?

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VanessaE:

which one specifically?

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** VanessaE has a 120. **

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james_:

VanessaE, Kworld ATSC 110

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VanessaE:

oh ok

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james_:

justdave, http://wizardsarcade.com/mythtv/output.txt complete dmesg output

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justinh:

godsyn: one question to ask would be.. are the actual recordings all okay? ;)

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justinh:

lazy autocomplete. dontcha just love it

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** justdave does ;) **

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james_:

sorry thats to justinh not justdave

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justdave:

[ 32.583104] nxt2004: Firmware upload complete

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james_:

and yeah it was autocomplete

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justdave:

looks like it found the firmware

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justinh:

can't find anything about /dev/dvb in that dmesg

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VanessaE:

did you load cx88-dvb also?

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VanessaE:

my 120 requires that module for digital mode.

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VanessaE:

oop, there it is

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james_:

VanessaE, no it auto found something about my other 2 cards

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justdave:

[ 30.275647] cx88[0]/0: registered device video2 [v4l2]

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VanessaE:

oh ok

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justdave:

I'd guess it's /dev/video2

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james_:

my myth box has 3 input cards in it

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justinh:

oh effing hell.. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110

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justinh:

just look at all the I and YOU in there

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james_:

Kworld ATSC 110

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VanessaE:

yeah I know, that's just wrong in a wiki.

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james_:

Twinhan 103g Satellite DVB-S

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james_:

Haupagge PVR-150

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justinh:

dvb-s in the USA? for the small handful of FTA channels.. heh

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james_:

yeah the like 12ish

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justdave:

oh, the KWorld is the saa device, that one's /dev/video1

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james_:

depending on where your pointed

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justinh:

aaand that wiki page doesn't say what kind of device to call it in mythtv-setup. helpful. not

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justdave:

I saw the cx88 thing detecting a dvb device and went from there :)

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justdave:

but that's apparently a different card?

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james_:

yeah i think thats the twinhan

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justinh:

one tuner & dish & cabling mess for just 12 channels? jeebus they better be worth it!

[07:37:15]

james_:

I don't mind a couple extra cables

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justinh:

anyway.. in mythtv-setup you more than likely need to say that tuner card is a DVB type.

[07:37:34]

james_:

and the tuner will be inside my myth box so thats ok also

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justinh:

(the kworld one)

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justinh:

if you can install dvb-utils and kaffeine it'll help you test the kworld tuner too

[07:38:50]

justinh:

once you get the vital messages in dmesg about it registering /dev/dvb devices you can, anyway...

[07:39:20]

justinh:

unless it's just kept quiet about them but I've never known that happen

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justinh:

ls -l /dev/dvb anyway

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justinh:

and something else is telling me that 'pvr150' card ain't really a pvr150 card

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james_:

I bought it from someone in this channel

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justinh:

oh wait that was just ivtv trying to autodetect the other cards. don't mind that

[07:41:20]

justinh:

it does find a pvr150 later on so don't worry about that

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james_:

ok in the mythtv backend setup this is what i get

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justinh:

what's ls -l /dev/dvb saying?

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justinh:

I hope you're doing all this on a sane distro btw.. not arch or some crap

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james_:

ls -l /dev/dvb

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james_:

total 0

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james_:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2008-04–25 01:01 adapter0

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james_:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2008-04–25 01:01 adapter1

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james_:

ubuntu 8.04 is my mythtv box os

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justinh:

cool so you have dvb device nodes

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james_:

ok under DVB DTV Capture Card (v3.x)

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justinh:

have to say I'm surprised the messages about em being registered were NOT in dmesg but htere ya go

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james_:

DVB device 1 is coming up as an Air2PC v2 Subtype: ATSC

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justinh:

does it work when you scan for channels?

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james_:

DVB Device 1 comes up as a Conexant CX24123/CX24109

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james_:

haven't tested that yet

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justinh:

let's forget about the dvb-s tuner for now

[07:44:44]

VanessaE:

Not that this will help make it work but you should probably yank the other two cards out temporarily.

[07:44:50]

VanessaE:

(or move them to another box) until you can sort out the issue.

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james_:

yeah setting the scan up now

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justinh:

still not a single page saying what tuner type you should select for that card. you kworld owners are a cagey bunch!

[07:46:33]

justinh:

if scanning works with the card set as DVB that'll be a sign you're all good to go

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james_:

ok good so far seems it found some channels like NBC (8.1, 8.2, 8.3) etc

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james_:

found fox also

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justinh:

then it's prolly gonna work :)

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james_:

so while this is scanning

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justinh:

any modules you had to load yourself will have to be added to /etc/modules

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justinh:

so that they'll load next reboot

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james_:

does anyone here use an antenna? if so what brand/type?

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james_:

I've got a Channel Master 4228 UHF antenna

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VanessaE:

I use a home-built gray-hovermann derivative

[07:50:08]

VanessaE:

(that UHF "super" antenna you've probably seen mentioned before)

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james_:

?

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VanessaE:

sec.

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VanessaE:

http://uhfhdtvantenna.blogspot.com/

[07:51:40]

VanessaE:

that one,

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VanessaE:

works better than rabbit ears, but still not good enough :(

[07:52:05]

VanessaE:

(fringe reception just blows)

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james_:

hmm never seen that before

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J-e-f-f-A:

james_, I use a Radio Shack UHF – 75-mile range – Model U-75R – Catalog # 15–2160 – $29.99 at your local RatShack...

[07:52:35]

justinh:

you can't quote a range on an aerial ffs!

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VanessaE:

This one cost me about $4. ;)

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james_:

J-e-f-f-A, how's the reception?

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, it's a directional yagi-style antenna...

[07:53:02]

justinh:

point it the wrong way, what's the range then?! :D

[07:53:12]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: you still can't quote a range!

[07:53:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

james_, I get ~22 digital channels from Boston.

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VanessaE:

mine's built according to the web page, with one tweak – I added an extra dipole for the VHF range.

[07:53:36]

justinh:

what if the transmitter operates at a lower power for maintenance? ;)

[07:53:47]

kormoc:

or a higher power?

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VanessaE:

Oh that reminds me..

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justinh:

what if heavy fog eats all the RF ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Well, that's the range it's advertised for "With up to a 75-mile range..." I've pulled in Boston from 35 miles and behind a hill, and no amp, just fine...

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justinh:

oh I forget they're selling to the American public

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VanessaE:

is there any truth to what I heard, that digital broadcast (in the USA) stations are using only 2–3% of their maximum transmit power right now?

[07:54:54]

justinh:

VanessaE: probably

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VanessaE:

ok

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justinh:

maybe not that low a percentage but certainly lower than they eventually will be

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, it's just, range typically means an active source, you're reciving, and it's really not a range as you're receiving whatever gets to the point where the antenna is

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VanessaE:

because analog here is pretty good as analog goes, but digital is just about worthless

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, it doesn't matter where the source is as long as it's signal gets to your antenna

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justinh:

VanessaE: thing with digital is, you don't need as strong a signal so they can get away with lower power compared to analogue

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VanessaE:

those ranges they quote also assume the antenna is really high up and has line-of-sight to the transmitter tower.

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, so yeah, typically antennas don't have ranges :)

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VanessaE:

justinh: so I've read

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VanessaE:

kormoc: it does matter somewhat

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, I can attest to it working well from between 26 miles and 35 miles from the transmitters, without any amplification... (for ATSC digital...)

[07:57:33]

VanessaE:

a transmitter that's too close to large obstructions will cause multipath ghosting at the receiver end

[07:57:43]

VanessaE:

(among other things)

[07:57:52]

godsyn:

Please asssist, google has failed me :( I am attempting to troubleshoot and resolve the lack of thumbnail images (they seem to be dark shades of solid brown/grey instead of actuial images of the recording) within mythweb. I am using the default theme. Where would I start? Using .21 An image of my issue can be seen at : http://i30.tinypic.com/23uy88j.jpg

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J-e-f-f-A:

VanessaE, Heck, the aluminum siding on my house does that with Analog signals... But I don't care as I'm only Digital ATSC now... ;-)

[07:58:44]

justinh:

please asssist, google has failed me :( I keep seeing the same ignorant message in my IRC client every few minutes

[07:58:59]

godsyn:

2nd time, added image.

[07:59:20]

justinh:

godsyn: I already told you a good place to start would be determining whether the recordings are fine or not

[07:59:35]

godsyn:

The recordings are fine, and play well.

[07:59:45]

justinh:

oh man those thumbs are busted

[08:00:26]

justinh:

what time offset do you have your thumb creation set to?

[08:00:49]

justinh:

and if you set mythfrontend to only show static preview images do they look the same?

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godsyn:

I don't? Myth frontend shows the same on static.

[08:01:53]

justinh:

I can't remember what the thumbnail creation time offset is, but try changing it

[08:02:58]

justinh:

not that it'd fix existing recording thumbnails – prolly only do new ones

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godsyn:

Understood. I'll create a new recording after I'f changed it and report back. Thanks for the help.

[08:04:16]

justinh:

tv playback settings – time offset for thumbnail preview images.. page 4 of 9

[08:04:45]

justinh:

it's the only thing I can think of that might affect it

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justinh:

got mine set to 64 secs

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justinh:

arghhh other techy has left me in a room with depeche mode playing. he puts shite music on his ipoo & leaves the room. bastard

[08:23:58]

justinh:

it's friday. you can't be playing depressing shit music on a friday ffs

[08:26:31]

Nik_Doof:

burn the ipod

[08:27:14]

justinh:

turned the speakers off. tempted to chop the plug off

[08:27:59]

justinh:

it was bloody Fad Gadget the other day. Jesus. Talk about 'challenging;

[08:28:35]

justinh:

oh. and Japan

[08:28:51]

VanessaE:

now now Justin...

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justinh:

people wonder why I'm so facking miserable all the time!

[08:29:01]

VanessaE:

it's not like he's playing rap or something :)

[08:29:19]

justinh:

I'd prefer that

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justinh:

well, anything pre 1995 anyway

[08:30:12]

justinh:

before it became all n***a bitch ho bling bling :)

[08:30:18]

VanessaE:

yep

[08:30:46]

VanessaE:

of course, if it's anything more recent than the mid 70's, save for a small subset of stuff from the 80's, it ain't music. :)

[08:30:54]

justinh:

david sylvian just has the kid of voice that makes me want to smash windows

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james_:

justinh, ok my Antenna is working so far so good

[08:31:55]

justinh:

Fad Gadget wrote lyrics like you imagine the voices in schizophrenic people say

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justinh:

james_: cool

[08:32:19]

james_:

i'll be back online in just a few mins I gotta hook this box up to my tv instead of this old monitor

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justinh:

IRC on telly? lol

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VanessaE:

I've done that before :)

[08:33:00]

VanessaE:

it ain't pretty

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clever:

justinh: ive had irssi on the tv before too

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justinh:

oh why doesn't that surprise me, clever

[08:33:30]

clever:

for a while i had an xterm open on the tvout

[08:33:41]

clever:

and id alt+tab over from the keyboard i used to control the frontend

[08:34:00]

clever:

simpler then a whole laptop

[08:34:11]

clever:

but the font had to be horidly large to read anything

[08:34:25]

** justinh decides to make a new group on farcebook **

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VanessaE:

ew.

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clever:

yeah:P

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VanessaE:

he said f*ceb**k

[08:35:06]

VanessaE:

now *that* is an f-word if I've ever heard one :)

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clever:

lol

[08:36:24]

justinh:

it's like MySpaz but for grownups

[08:37:15]

clever:

nearly fixed the usb network connection

[08:37:41]

clever:

all it did this time was cause the phone to reboot

[08:37:41]

clever:

but thats better then before

[08:37:51]

godsyn:

reinstalling.. I broke it :)

[08:38:06]

clever:

thats allways fun:P

[08:38:24]

VanessaE:

those two sites just rub me raw I swear. I've never used them but G*d... they gather such easy targets for predators it seems like.

[08:40:04]

godsyn:

They remond me of the seziure days of geocities. I don't go to sites that welcome me with flashing GIFs, 200 <embed>s, and music and unrelated video that autoplay.

[08:40:08]

godsyn:

*remind

[08:40:18]

VanessaE:

NOO!! make it STOP!!

[08:40:29]

VanessaE:

you just had to put that image in my head

[08:40:32]

VanessaE:

Aaaaaaahhhhh!

[08:40:34]

godsyn:

hehehe

[08:41:51]

VanessaE:

My website was simple. a few tables for layout, light grey on purple (I like purple, so sue me), and some buttons to the left with a little mouseover highlight.

[08:42:03]

** kormoc sues VanessaE **

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Nik_Doof:

i made a retro geocities site a year ago or so, just to cause pain and suffering

[08:42:35]

VanessaE:

sadist. :)

[08:42:42]

Nik_Doof:

http://www.geocities.com/nik_doof/personalpagegreen.html

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Nik_Doof:

thats the one :)

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VanessaE:

oh G*d.

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justinh:

you're reinstalling mythtv cos preview generation is borked? ffs godsyn

[08:43:02]

VanessaE:

Ok, I....

[08:43:10]

VanessaE:

Oh. My. G*d.

[08:43:12]

godsyn:

wow.. I'm starting to rethink this remote install over a 128k wireless card. mythtv-setup is sloooooow.

[08:43:26]

clever:

:O

[08:43:31]

clever:

i got azureus on my cellphone!

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doje:

cesman: you there ?

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godsyn:

justin : other issues too. it is a 2yo install that has swapped hardware (tv cards), physical boxes (and all components there in) and had about 3 test boxes hooked up to it.. it was about time to clean it up anyways.

[08:44:39]

justinh:

I'm pondering updating to 8.whatever ubuntu is now

[08:44:56]

clever:

8.04 i heard

[08:45:08]

clever:

i recently moved my 6.06 to 7.10

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clever:

it fixed the vbi on ivtv some

[08:45:22]

clever:

and it broke lirc:P

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justinh:

don't use lirc on my backend

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justinh:

or ivtv

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clever:

lirc_i2c now causes a kernel oops

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justinh:

enlightened days :)

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clever:

i had to upgrade to 7.10 to get qt4 working right

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godsyn:

he result of long a*s nights.

[08:47:07]

godsyn:

*are the result of long a*s nights.

[08:47:30]

clever:

i think i opened a facebook page again

[08:47:40]

clever:

music is coming out of firefox for no reason...

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clever:

nope blogspot this time

[08:48:19]

justinh:

who over the age of 6 has music on a blog?

[08:48:49]

clever:

http://beststupidity.blogspot.com/

[08:48:51]

clever:

that guy:P

[08:49:01]

justinh:

since I installed a flash blocking addon for firefox I've never looked back

[08:49:03]

godsyn:

url seems fitting before I click it.

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clever:

'Theres a lesson in this experience, NEVER DOWNLOAD PORN AGAIN!'

[08:49:18]

godsyn:

noscript and adblock. My web is clean.

[08:49:19]

clever:

i use the adblock+ extension

[08:49:24]

justinh:

never download it. make your own!

[08:49:33]

clever:

lol

[08:49:37]

clever:

i just use linux:P

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clever:

all the virus's are made for winblows

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justinh:

snag there is that it requires 2 or more people – a blocker to a lot of emo geeks

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justinh:

virii

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** clever starts up mythfrontend on a 320x320x16 screen! **

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** justinh smacks clever & adds him to his ignore list **

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VanessaE:

try it on a 320x200x4 screen :)

[08:51:25]

godsyn:

O.o

[08:51:41]

clever:

my phone has a 320x320 screen

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clever:

and a vnc client

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justinh:

why must there always be people who try to run things on the lamest hardware?

[08:52:21]

clever:

im just lazy at fixing mythweb

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VanessaE:

because it represents a challenge

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clever:

and its but ugly on the blazer browser

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justinh:

life's too damn short already

[08:52:55]

justinh:

getting laid is a challenge to most geeks but something stops them trying that :)

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VanessaE:

like, webcam on 40x25 64-greys or 80x50 4 greys, etc. :-)

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godsyn:

sudo bendover doesn't work in real-life.

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justinh:

oh is that the problem? human beings don't have ports or run kernels? ahhhh

[08:54:59]

clever:

lol

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godsyn:

yes, but the majority of the community is incompatable, and runs Windows.

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VanessaE:

ooooo

[08:55:16]

VanessaE:

that was low, godsyn

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VanessaE:

:)

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clever:

and most are too scared to try something new

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godsyn:

Hehehe

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clever:

seems the frontend doesnt want to cooperate

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clever:

it isnt scaling down this far

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clever:

or maybe its the custom screen size i did

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clever:

reseting...

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godsyn:

ctrl-alt-backspace is your friend.

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Dibblah:

xrandr is a better friend.

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clever:

godsyn: ctrl+alt+backspace isnt easy when its an Xvnc4 server:P

[08:59:25]

clever:

ctrl+c still works just fine

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clever:

and xrandr'ing the screen to be bigger will just make it scrolling hell because the actual screen is only 320x320

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clever:

reseting the fe to use the entire screen seems like the best path

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godsyn:

yay! scroling hell. ATI 9600+ tought me all about that.

[09:01:42]

clever:

this doesnt have auto scrolling:P

[09:02:03]

clever:

running a vnc client on a 320x320 treo phone

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clever:

with mythfrontend at the other end

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clever:

looks to be working just fine now

[09:03:13]

godsyn:

ok, mythtv is borked until I am on my home network.

[09:03:16]

clever:

ok

[09:03:21]

clever:

cant find the escape key

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clever:

and the arrows scroll

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godsyn:

heh

[09:04:14]

clever:

but the 320x320 isnt fiting right

[09:04:26]

clever:

some of the chrome of the vnc client is making it not fit

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clever:

and now the phone rebooted without warning:P

[09:05:01]

godsyn:

YAY! sounds like my blackberry.

[09:05:09]

clever:

treo 650

[09:05:16]

clever:

but its still got the memory manager disabled

[09:05:30]

clever:

1 stray pointer is all it takes to kill the entire system

[09:05:39]

godsyn:

Mine likes to reboot at the end of a nice long email reply.

[09:05:56]

clever:

weee

[09:06:00]

godsyn:

or when the phone rings..

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VanessaE:

320x320 isn't exactly a proper 4:3 display either

[09:06:02]

clever:

image it skewed

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VanessaE:

(or 16:9)

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clever:

each line is offset a few pixels

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clever:

300x300 now

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clever:

looks better

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godsyn:

ok. I give up until at the LAN. Thanks for the help/company. Ciao.

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clever:

boom!

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clever:

looks like i can alias things like a to any key

[09:14:23]

clever:

but the problem is arrow keys are done thru [left]

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clever:

and theres no [] key!

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VanessaE:

mostly you can

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clever:

until i find a way to type [ or ] im stuck:P

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VanessaE:

so alias something else first, using copy&paste from a character map :)

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clever:

the aliases wont work within the setup windows

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clever:

they are for sending to the vnc server

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clever:

i could probly backup&edit the config manualy

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clever:

but i dont have the sd reader on me atm

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clever:

Gesture: Down

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clever:

that solves everything perfectly

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clever:

if only i had it bound to somehting in myth:P

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clever:

key binding program doesnt seem to pick up that though...

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clever:

(the plugin)

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clever:

i'll figure it out later

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justinh:

mythcontrols doesn't work with gestures

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clever:

that would explain the problem perfectly

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clever:

but it doesnt explain the new defect i found

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justinh:

weirdos using mythtv with mice anyway

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clever:

certain color shades in mplayer are messed up

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clever:

this is the first time ive used gestures with an actual touch screen:P

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clever:

which is what its made for

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clever:

it just doesnt work well with a mouse if you cant see the pointer

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clever:

the focus seems to be off on this screen

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clever:

which is just odd

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clever:

it has no focus controls

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clever:

its an lcd panel!

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clever:

seems the color problem isnt xv

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clever:

-vo x11 didnt fix it

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clever:

its only certain colors of text that look fuzzy

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clever:

the white looks normal

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justinh:

facknig hell ubunuts.. why not make everybody jump through hoops to get md5sums of your images eh

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laga:

hey

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clever:

justinh: tab complete problems?

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justinh:

hey laga. ltns

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justinh:

saw that modified grayhem theme the other day. oh my what a big logo!

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justinh:

heh. can I really believe what I've just read about NDS allegedly paying some guy to hack Dish encryption? Lol

[11:19:07]

justinh:

funny, since they've been accused of that before

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anykey_:

it's sort of a thriller ;)

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justinh:

ooo so it's kinda like "The Murdoch Code"?

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justinh:

apparently Canal+ dropped their lawsuit when their parent company sold them to newscorp

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justinh:

how very convenient!

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anykey_:

hehe

[11:21:25]

anykey_:

Well if it's true, they'll going to have a problem ;)

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justinh:

the fact they paid some guy $20,000 to hack their own system is true... would seem to indicate it's likely

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justinh:

(if true)

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anykey_:

well, that's not that unusual.

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justinh:

cash?!

[11:23:23]

anykey_:

yeah cash is

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justinh:

hiring people isn't unusual. paying by cash hidden in boxes is pretty shady I reckon

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anykey_:

right

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Dregs:

O.o

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justinh:

directv is part-owned by newscorp IIRC, so if a hack for dish were to become commonplace... join the dots

[11:25:50]

justinh:

smart business practise!

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justinh:

s/smart/sharp ;)

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laga:

!logs

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laga:

wow. looks like nobody has done it yet.

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laga:

Mythbuntu 8.04 has been released! Here's the release announcement: http://www.mythbuntu.org/8.04/release also make sure to digg it! http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_8_04_now_available

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justinh:

can't remember my account details. only ever used it twice

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Nik_Doof:

does myth support SVG channel icons?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

they don't have to be 32x32 pixels though

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justinh:

and it's not as if UK channel icons are even available as svg

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Nik_Doof:

yah, but it would be a nice size project

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Nik_Doof:

like the auzzies did

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justinh:

they certainly don't have to be shitty gifs either

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elliot42:

Hi everyone, I've just installed mythbuntu 8.04 and am trying to set up lirc, but could someone please explain what the heck dkms is and why it's trying to build my modules for me??

[12:25:13]

justinh:

I've got some fonts with a lot of UK channel icons inside :)

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** justinh points elliot42 at #ubuntu-mythtv **

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laga:

elliot42: #ubuntu-mythtv

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elliot42:

aha.. thanks, i'll try there

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justinh:

keep their problems in-house :P

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Nik_Doof:

my beeb icons look ok as they're plain colours. on the other hand the tiny "LIVING" on a white background is hard to read

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justinh:

anyway even when myth does eventually get svg support it'll probably still render em into bitmaps first

[12:27:27]

Nik_Doof:

true, but at least they'll scale properly :)

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justinh:

I don't see much point in the icons since they're usually the wrong aspect / too small to see properly

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justinh:

only bbc icons are square AFAIK

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Nik_Doof:

unfortunatly for me, the callsign is too short for the SO to distinguish what channel it is, so i need the icons

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justinh:

I still don't get callsigns either

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justinh:

they're irrelevant in the UK

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Nik_Doof:

do any of the themes show the full channel name?

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justinh:

Uk channel names are too frickin long anyway

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justinh:

UKTV Style for Grannies Except on Wednesdays +1

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Nik_Doof:

lol

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justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . asswide1.png sorks ok-ish I think

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Nik_Doof:

Discovery Travel & Lesuire is a new one

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arren:

hi all

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justinh:

ahh D, T&L

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justinh:

Nik_Doof: the alternative is to abbrev. all the callsigns like Sky do

[12:36:44]

justinh:

Nik_Doof: that font size works well on my 32" wide CRT – it's about as small as you can get before getting silly & needing glasses

[12:40:29]

justinh:

or just decide there's FA worth watching, cancel the silly subscription & get er indoors to do something useful during the day instead :P

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justinh:

we got rid of the daft packages & never looked back – apart from being £30 a month better off

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arren:

on my mythbox run mythtv 0.20.etc ..etc..

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arren:

i would like to update to 0.21

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arren:

may i have a problem with the database ?

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justinh:

it backs up the database automatically

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arren:

compiling from source ?

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justinh:

eh?

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arren:

could tou tell me a sit with a tutorial i don't want to loose everything

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arren:

site

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justinh:

even if you build 0.21 from source it will back up the database before upgrading the database

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arren:

i have to uninstall the old version and then install the 0.21 or not

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justinh:

and even if it did not do that automatically, it would be sensible to back up the database regularly anyway

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justinh:

if you have packages of mythtv installed, uninstall them

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arren:

yes i have a package for opensuse

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arren:

but in the repo there is no 0.21 version

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arren:

packman

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justinh:

oh ffs not opensores

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justinh:

www.mythbuntu.org :D

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arren:

i know but may opensuse works really well

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arren:

my

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justinh:

backup the database, uninstall the 0.20.x packages

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justinh:

get all the dependencies to build mythtv from source, then build & install it from source

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laga:

aren't there 0.21 packages?

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justinh:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=opensuse+mythtv+0.21 reckons there are 0.21 packages in packman

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arren:

then i have to replace myself the database or it's just ofr security reason the backup

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justinh:

it is always a good idea to backup the database regularly!

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justinh:

ALWAYS

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justinh:

***ALWAYS***

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arren:

ok thx

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arren:

i use phpmyadmin

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justinh:

maybe you just need to refresh packman or whatever to make it update its list of packages

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justinh:

0.21 is in there according to lots of sites

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arren:

i see there is for 10.2 too

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justinh:

so no need to build 0.21 from source! yay!

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arren:

i have all mythgames installed i'm really afraid for this update

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justinh:

a google search that took 2 seconds solved that one!

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arren:

:D

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justinh:

I don't have time for this ignorance

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arren:

thx justin

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arren:

cya

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justinh:

time to go drown some more kittens

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gbee:

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gbee:

I'd buy ten more if I had any use for that many ;)

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Nik_Doof:

which case?

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gbee:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135498

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gbee:

quality is fantastic and I was about to say "for the price" but honestly I've seen cases for 6x the price with cheaper materials and poorer build quality

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Nik_Doof:

nice case, shame its only microATX

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gbee:

frontend/backend – so microATX is as small as you'd want to go

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gbee:

assuming you want more than one tuner

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justinh:

just a pity about those front ports :(

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Nik_Doof:

im trying to rehouse my f/b, but its a full atx board :)

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gbee:

this will eventually have 1x PVR-150, 1x Nova-T 500 and 1x DVB-S(2)

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kslater:

that's a pretty nice case

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kslater:

wonder if it could be had in matte black

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anykey_:

gbee: will we see dvb-s2 support soon then? :p

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gbee:

or maybe a HVR-1700 in place of of the PVR-150

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** justinh must be the only person in the world offended by front ports **

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gbee:

anykey_: eventually I hope so :)

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anykey_:

that'd be very cool

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kslater:

no justinh, I'd prefer them hidden at least, but one can't have everything and a decent price too

[13:01:16]

justinh:

still, cheaper than any silverstone junk & therefore modding it with a new front isn't as daft

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gbee:

justinh: you aren't the only one, but I'm not unhappy with the ports on this case as they all make sense on the front of fe/be machine

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justinh:

wouldn't want it under my telly though :)

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gbee:

firewire for recording off a camcorder, usb for drives, headphone – obvious and card reader for loading your photos into mythgallery or music to/from an mp3 player

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justinh:

I'd pay an extra 20% to not have ports/slots on the front

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gbee:

I wanted a case with those all at the front but with a drop-down panel to hide them, but there aren't many cases which offer that

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justinh:

does that mean you'll be the one who writes MythCamcorder? :P

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gbee:

justinh: heh, probably not as I don't actually own one – but I'm planning ahead ;)

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justinh:

gone off the idea of mythsudoku now so I might be tempted. not that I own a camcorder

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justinh:

and even then, they're going drag & drop anyway

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gbee:

I really think I might get one of these cases for myself with the same spec as the one I've just built – HD capable (HDMI), support for 4x drives – should last for a few years

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justinh:

I need the same platform my frontend is as my desktop machine

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justinh:

when a compile takes less time to fail more dev work gets done :P

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gbee:

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justinh:

how quiet is it?

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gbee:

justinh: just about to fire it up, so I'll let you know

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gbee:

figure I can swap out the fans for quieter ones if necessary

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gbee:

went for a low energy AMD 2x, not exactly the TDP of a mobile processor but still ...

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justinh:

realised last night I didn't build mythmovies on my frontend

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justinh:

so may aswell update this weekend

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gbee:

update to latest -fixes?

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justinh:

yeah

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Dibblah:

Seen the mythmovies grabber for the UK?

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justinh:

btw that mythmovies segfault only seems to happen when tags are empty

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justinh:

Dibblah: on my websherver

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Dibblah:

Heh :)

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Dibblah:

Shoulda guessed.

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justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/

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justinh:

fixed it yesterday

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justinh:

google can go umm... do that. they ride roughshod over people's privacy enough

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gbee:

well it's hard to tell as I've got two other machines and noisy gadgets in the room, but it seems pretty quiet to me

[13:14:58]

Dibblah:

Why did Sony put the PS3s SATA connector so close to the motherboard? :(

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justinh:

so only children aged 5 can assemble them!

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Dibblah:

Nah – It's actually to reduce the overall height. But it's annoying since it means it's more difficult to use a full-sized disk :(

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** Dibblah has 6 faulty PS3 motherboards to play with :) **

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kslater:

gbee: just curious, what AMD processor do you have in this newly cased machine?

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gbee:

AMD 64 2x 3600+

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kslater:

is that a 45w or 65w part?

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gbee:

which btw I'm not certain will manage h.264, but I'm gambling that it should – a 1.6Ghx Core2 Duo can manage it just fine so I think a 2Ghx dual core should be ok

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gbee:

65w

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gbee:

went with the cheapest so that that I can upgrade it if needed without feeling too cheated

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kslater:

what about for cpu cooling? what fits in that case, I guess that's the real question. Ditto for PSU?

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gbee:

kslater: I've taken a bunch of photos during construction and plan to put up a page listing parts and assembly + any problems I had

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kslater:

fabulous

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justinh:

my lc02 won't allow any reasonable cooler to be fitted – it's just not high enough

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gbee:

but briefly – Akasa AK 860SF and a no-name MATX PSU

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gbee:

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justinh:

I fitted a modified S478 HSF & put a speed controller on the fan, turned down to minimum. next to silent & CPU temps always under 50 deg C playing SDTV

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justinh:

when HDTV comes I'll need to rethink the cooler

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justinh:

hmm why didn't I write about it on my blog? oh yeah I CBA with one ;)

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gbee:

yeah, I wanted a temp controlled fan but gambled that the mobo includes temp control and it does :)

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gbee:

justinh: can't be bothered with blogs either, but since a couple of people were asking about my experience with the case last night I thought I'd just take some photos while I was at it

[13:26:27]

gbee:

assuming it copes with HD ok I figure it would be a nice guide to newbie MythTV users of what sort of hardware/cases etc they can choose

[13:26:39]

justinh:

hmmm. friday & I'm feeling "ducking heck is it saturday yet?"

[13:26:42]

kslater:

I'll have to see if I can find that case over here in the US

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justinh:

gbee: sometimes I wish mythtv would only work on 2 or 3 distros – the ultimate howto would be a doddle to write if so!

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laga:

justinh: and with two tv cards. and one VGA card

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justinh:

2 tv tuners. of the same type

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justinh:

and a HDCP compliant display

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laga:

MCE anyone?

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justinh:

choice is sometimes as bad as it is good – that's my point

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laga:

yup

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justinh:

laga you know that nice big mythbuntu logo on that theme.. it's not alphapulsed I hope...

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laga:

justinh: it fades in and out at about 5Hz. why?

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laga:

it also goes pink occasionally

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justinh:

just thinking about GANT which just eats CPU

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gbee:

laga: pink by design? or driver bug? :)

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laga:

gbee: i was just kidding ;)

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gbee:

heh, ok

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gbee:

thought you might have used colour cycling ;)

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quicksilver:

it only goes pink if your name is justinh or juski

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quicksilver:

that way, he'll think he's going mad.

[13:31:44]

justinh:

I hate alphapulse

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justinh:

there's a real reason to dislike it now too

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Dibblah:

justinh: The motherboard headers do speed control just fine.

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justinh:

Dibblah: yeah I remembered that – I need a 4 pin fan

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Dibblah:

Eh?

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justinh:

a fan with PWM input

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Dibblah:

PWM works on 3 pin just fine.

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justinh:

really? must be a bios setting then

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Dibblah:

http://pastebin.com/m77288905

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justinh:

oh not fucking hackage again

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Dibblah:

That's my /etc/fancontrol

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gbee:

pwm works with 3 pin, I've no idea what 4 pin headers are for – new mobo has one

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laga:

fancontrol? mine is controlled by the bios

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justinh:

gbee: 4th pin is for pwm'ing the fan

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Dibblah:

Ah, right. That expectation. Sorry, but no :)

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justinh:

can't be arsed with it in that case then

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justinh:

sounds like work

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Dibblah:

gbee: It means that you move the PWM from acting on the power line (MOSFET on the motherboard) to being integrated in the fan itsself.

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gbee:

ahh bollocks, apparently I can't upgrade a 32bit install of 2007.1 with 64bit 2008.1

[13:35:23]

gbee:

Dibblah: ahh

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** gbee just formats the root partition instead **

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PatrickDK:

pin 3 is pwm output, not pwm input

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kslater:

right 3 pin can be controlled, 4 pin can be controlled and monitored?

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gbee:

3 pin can be controlled and monitored

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kslater:

control and feedback on the same pin?

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gbee:

I guess the 4th pin enables some additional functionality in power control, but I don't know exactly what – maybe onboard PWM in the fan is more accurate or something?

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gbee:

kslater: no idea, I just know that you can get the rpm of 3 pin fans

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PatrickDK:

well, controlling the fan via the power input isn't a perfered way, it normally works though

[13:48:58]

PatrickDK:

controlling the speed via a pwm input is much better, and energy efficiant

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gbee:

when I was a kid, fans were just fans ;)

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PatrickDK:

and electricity was free? :)

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** kslater welcomes our pwm overlord fans **

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gbee:

PatrickDK: tuppence a fortnight

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justinh:

even 4 pin fans are hard to monitor since the tacho pin is often pulled up to VCC

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justinh:

very difficult on 3 pin fans for the same reason

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gbee:

justinh: you lost me with tacho and vcc ;)

[13:52:00]

justinh:

basically if you cut the power, the speed sensor signal disappears

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PatrickDK:

3pin and 4pin are the exact same, except how you control the speed :)

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PatrickDK:

and normally controlling 3pin ones via the power, you can't drop below 6volts or the fan just won't work

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PatrickDK:

but with the 4pins you can, cause you aren't controlling it via the power

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gbee:

ahh, ok that makes sense

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gbee:

by formatting I've deleted my mythtv bootsplash, guess it's time for a metallurgy/mythtv themed one

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PatrickDK:

vcc = power

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gbee:

yeah and tacho = is the speed monitor, I was just a bit slow there

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** justinh pictures a Capri in Essex somewhere with furry dice hanging from the rear view mirror **

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wayneandleanne:

hi all stupid question time can somebody remond me how ti install "Slurp.pm"?

[14:02:23]

justinh:

isn't that a question for #CPAN ?

[14:02:49]

wayneandleanne:

kind of, it relates to installing mythtv

[14:03:13]

justinh:

tenuously, yeah :P

[14:03:30]

justinh:

apt-cache search slurp

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wayneandleanne:

if i remember correctly the command goes something like "cpan install Slurp.pm" can anybody help with this?

[14:05:24]

justinh:

if I remember correctly, google.com is still working

[14:06:03]

laga:

yeah, try google or your package manager

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justinh:

bypassing your distro's package manager is one way to guarantee pain at a later date

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justinh:

one would think that the perl slurp stuff would be pulled in by installing xmltv

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wayneandleanne:

i thought that too

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justinh:

it's actually File::Slurp

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justinh:

so you'd use the cpan install command with File::Slurp

[14:08:31]

justinh:

and if it hasn't been pulled in by xmltv I'd be worried, personally

[14:08:35]

justinh:

what else has been missed?

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wayneandleanne:

nothing i dont think

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justinh:

as far as you know.. yet ;)

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justinh:

out of curiosity.. which distro?

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wayneandleanne:

yep, sounds about right

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wayneandleanne:

ssuse 10.3

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wayneandleanne:

sorry typo

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justinh:

ah ok then. no danger of me bumping into it :)

[14:10:52]

wayneandleanne:

what you running?

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** justinh is an ubunaut **

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justinh:

just works. no messing about (tm). crap name, awful colour scheme. who cares. it works

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wayneandleanne:

does this sound right to you "cpan install::Slurp"?

[14:12:40]

laga:

the color scheme for kubuntu is OK imho :)

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

install File::Slurp

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justinh:

and go smack your local package manager

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wayneandleanne:

dont tempt me

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elliot42:

hmm..alright, lirc seems to be working for me now. I had to train the remote myself, the already available lircd.conf didn't work and irrecord would only record in raw mode.. but it seems to work

[14:14:04]

elliot42:

but mythbuntu-lircrc-gen is creating blank .lircrc files

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elliot42:

any ideas??

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gbee:

ubuntu didn't "just work" for me – never did get my wireless working with Ubuntu, had to switch back to mandriva and that really did "just work"

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laga:

elliot42: can you pastebin your lircd.conf

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elliot42:

http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8047/

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elliot42:

laga, ^^^ my lircd.conf

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laga:

elliot42: the regular expressions propably don't match your button names

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justinh:

fork lirc, make it have fixed names for buttons :)

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laga:

elliot42: try making your button namens lowercase

[14:24:26]

justinh:

like PC keyboards have keycodes :)

[14:24:28]

laga:

and file a bug against mythbuntu in launchpad

[14:24:32]

justinh:

147 = play

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laga:

justinh: i think someone is working on that

[14:25:10]

marl:

hi folks, anyone able to help with a ir remote problem im having with myth? have a NOVA-T-500 with remote, and only the 4 cursor keys appear to be working :( as far as i can tell all the lirc files are correct, and running lircd with /usr/sbin/lircd -H dev/input -d /dev/input/event5 -n and irw in another window works fine, irw shows the keys, but when i run the lirc init script, irw will just always return without doing anything, anyone any sujestions? or

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laga:

right, i also want a solution for the dreaded dev/input stuff ;)

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elliot42:

laga, lowercase doesn't help :(

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laga:

elliot42: file a bug report and someone will get to it very soon

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marl:

ok, i now have the lirc ini script working so that irw shows the keys being pressed, but i still dont get anything other than the cursor keys working within myth :(

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marl:

ini -> init

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gbee:

oh .... damn

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gbee:

forgot to backup the database didn't I?

[15:03:16]

marl:

:(

[15:03:46]

gbee:

of course I've got an old backup from the last schema update, but it's out of date

[15:03:58]

marl:

note to self, dont forget to setup automatic database backups every 24 hours!!!!!!!!!!!

[15:04:14]

laga:

gbee: i upgraded my openwrt router today and forgot to backup my config, too

[15:04:57]

gbee:

I'm going to pester sphery until he writes his automatic backup in the housekeeper

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** janneg was to suggest the same **

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** jams can't stand outlook **

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marl:

lol, outlook is cr*p!!!!!!!

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marl:

ok, anyone help with this one? im using fvwm, but myth starts up with the window shifted up and left leaving a band of desktop below and to the right of the myth window, and i cant work out how to shift the window so it always starts up full screen

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, so what did you think of last night?

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** mkrufky blown away **

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mkrufky:

i know life is cheap on that show.... but i thought certain innocents had actual value

[15:29:43]

iamlindoro__:

I thought it was a pretty good episode-- I think that charles widmore is probably alvar hanso

[15:29:54]

mkrufky:

ie: innocents that dont have their own tragic flaws

[15:30:02]

mkrufky:

ie: shannon was innocent, but she was flawed

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mkrufky:

yeah, i am hearing a lot of this charles widmore == alvar hanso

[15:30:21]

mkrufky:

i dont agree

[15:30:25]

mkrufky:

but i dont disagree either

[15:30:30]

mkrufky:

it makes perfect sense

[15:30:35]

mkrufky:

...but i think it makes tooooo much sense

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laga:

what are you talking about?

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iamlindoro__:

Lost

[15:30:51]

laga:

!!!

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laga:

please

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mkrufky:

uh, oh

[15:31:01]

laga:

i've only watched season 3

[15:31:07]

laga:

/clear

[15:31:08]

mkrufky:

he has every right — this *is* a timeshifting chat room

[15:31:09]

laga:

;)

[15:31:13]

mkrufky:

heh

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iamlindoro__:

heh

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: go to #linuxtv

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mkrufky:

;-)

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iamlindoro__:

hehe, great minds think alike

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laga:

mkrufky: no, i'm located in germany. :) i can't watch them online on ABC's website either

[15:32:01]

mkrufky:

laga: regardless, i dont blame you

[15:32:12]

mkrufky:

and we were off topic anyway — you have every right to ask us to stop

[15:32:19]

mkrufky:

i am not offended at all

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laga:

no worries. i just had this terrible feeling suddenly that you were talking about lost ;)

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mkrufky:

heh

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mkrufky:

thats ok — we didnt give anything away, yet — i was being ambiguous on purpose

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laga:

and if i don't get season 4 soon, terrible things will happen. the DVDs aren't out there

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laga:

s/there/yet/

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iamlindoro__:

Hehe, 4 is quite good so far

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mkrufky:

im sure you'll find a way to get season 4, laga

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jams:

season 4?? i thought lost was still recapping season 1

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gbee:

one annoying issue with this mobo is that it insists on a PS2 mouse being connected on boot, can't find any bios options to disable that check

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sphery:

gbee: Yeah, yeah. I know I should be finishing up that automated backup. I got stuck in a no-motivation rut while writing the restore script for #4670 (the backup script was fun--no user interaction, just do the right thing--and is done, but the restore script has to interact with the user and handle different types of restores (full, new hardware, ...) and error conditions by failing with appropriate messages).

[15:53:44]

sphery:

I should actually accomplish something on it next week.

[15:54:00]

sphery:

But, pestering helps with the motivation. :)

[15:54:45]

gbee:

sphery: just joshing, I really _must_ write an automated backup script of my own, at least until yours is done ;)

[15:55:33]

gbee:

I just can't believe I forgot the database – not that it would have been easy to back it up, would have involved placing the disk in another machine

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sphery:

Oh, and if you want an easy way to do a backup, try: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/database_ . . . rg_backup.pl

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sphery:

Run it with: database_mythconverg_backup.pl --directory=/home/mythtv/backup

[15:58:22]

sphery:

Or, create a file ~/.mythtv/backuprc with a line "DBBackupDirectory=/home/mythtv/backup" (no quotes). If you have a valid ~/.mythtv/config.xml, it will get all the rest.

[15:58:35]

sphery:

First run, you should use --debug to make sure it's finding everything OK.

[15:59:11]

Kyler:

Any movement on the Hauppauge PVR-HD? (My poor old Myth system is getting horribly slow. I'm waiting for HD to upgrade.)

[15:59:22]

laga:

sphery: will it also work with mysql.txt?

[15:59:33]

sphery:

gbee: It even rotates (I have it set to keep 5 backups by default, but you can override with --rotate=X on the command line (or "rotate=X" in the backuprc)

[15:59:49]

laga:

sphery: sounds like something for contrib/

[15:59:52]

sphery:

laga: It falls back to that if config.xml isn't there, but config.xml is prefered.

[15:59:58]

gbee:

sphery: nice

[16:00:35]

sphery:

In theory, it will be an official part of Myth (i.e. to add more user configurability--without setting!!!--to the backup process). I just have to finish the restore portion, then post the updated patch to #4670

[16:01:40]

gbee:

laga: the idea is that it will be fired off by the backend as part of the regular scheduled maintanence (housekeeper) thread

[16:01:43]

laga:

"everybody wants restore, but nobody wants backup"

[16:01:51]

sphery:

You can run the script in a cron job (preferrably at a time when Myth is unlikely to be recording). I have it in my MythTV start script, though.

[16:02:25]

gbee:

I'll put it in a 3am cron job

[16:02:28]

sphery:

I manually run it, too, since mythbackend is only really restarted when I upgrade (and I haven't been doing that for a while)

[16:02:54]

sphery:

If it goes in a start script, I recommend ensuring that it's only called from the master backend, though. :)

[16:03:22]

beandog:

it wont matter if its recording.

[16:03:30]

beandog:

mysqldump will lock the tables anyway

[16:03:32]

sphery:

gbee: if you find any issues, please let me know. :)

[16:03:40]

beandog:

besides, theres not gonna be any mysql activity if its recording.

[16:03:49]

beandog:

or, shouldnt be.

[16:04:09]

gbee:

beandog: yeah there will -the seektable and filesize column in the recorded table are updated during recording

[16:04:13]

sphery:

beandog: it can cause enough I/O wait on the system that portions of the recording file don't get properly written.

[16:04:28]

beandog:

oh really? okay, well, ignore me. :)

[16:04:45]

laga:

sphery: will renicing the backup script help?

[16:04:48]

sphery:

also, table-level locks aren't enough to guarantee referential integrity...

[16:05:12]

gbee:

I'll also set up a cron job/script to move the backup across to a remote storage location

[16:05:34]

gbee:

aye

[16:05:37]

sphery:

laga: I think it would require re(io)nicing the MySQL server.

[16:05:47]

laga:

too bad.

[16:06:08]

sphery:

yeah--would probably cause more problems than it solves.

[16:06:15]

laga:

sphery: shouldn't the linux fs cache prevent this problem? or does it happen because mythtv frequently sync to disk?

[16:06:30]

PatrickDK:

I just say screw that

[16:06:38]

PatrickDK:

run a slave mysql, and do backups from it

[16:06:49]

PatrickDK:

then you don't screw yourself with the live one

[16:06:53]

sphery:

the reason we don't have the automated backup, yet, is because I have to add support for determining if anything is happening on any of the MythTV systems (recording, playback, etc.) and whether I have sufficient time to run a backup.

[16:07:14]

laga:

PatrickDK: yeah, that's exactly the kind of setup i want to ship to mythbuntu users ;)

[16:07:34]

PatrickDK:

that isn't easy to do, cause you can have several master -> slave issues

[16:07:41]

sphery:

PatrickDK: My 3 machines (2 backends, 1 frontend) are probably overkill for TV. Adding another is just crazy. ;)

[16:07:51]

PatrickDK:

but since I run and manage a few large mysql installs, it's not an issue for me :)

[16:08:01]

PatrickDK:

why add another?

[16:08:10]

PatrickDK:

mysql can happlily live on the two backends

[16:08:16]

PatrickDK:

or a backend and frontend

[16:08:24]

PatrickDK:

if you only have 1 machine for mythtv already

[16:08:30]

PatrickDK:

well, backups are half pointless :)

[16:08:33]

PatrickDK:

in my view

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sphery:

I will say that I've done full backups while recording multiple shows without any issues. Some systems, though, aren't as "well configured." :)

[16:09:14]

PatrickDK:

mine dumps quick, I think it took 3min

[16:09:24]

PatrickDK:

but then, I have more than myth in it, that I care about

[16:09:49]

sphery:

gbee: if you're moving the backups, you can either disable the rotate (-1) or use rsync (via ssh, of course) with --delete

[16:10:24]

gbee:

sphery: I'd use rsync but ignore the delete, just mirror

[16:10:41]

gbee:

doesn't hurt to have a full set of backups on both machines

[16:12:07]

sphery:

the space shouldn't be an issue. With >400 MPEG-2 shows (and all their recordedseek), my backups were ~30MB when gzip compressed. bzip2 gave about 23MB, but 30seconds to gzip compress versus >7min to bzip2 compress (to save 7MB) made compression algorithm an easy choice. The script allows you to override, though with --compress... ;)

[16:12:49]

gbee:

I've actually got db backup and rsync scripts that I wrote to backup my webserver databases to a remote machine, I could have easily used one of those for backing up the backend but I just never got around to it

[16:13:40]

gbee:

I prefer gzip, maybe from habit more than anything else

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** sphery goes to look up information on rsync mirroring... Might be useful for my series-file/patch distribution to my build systems. **

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sphery:

I almost always used to use bzip2 (figuring the resource usage different was probably negligible on modern systems). That's why the initial backup functionality didn't include compression--because the 7min compression time I got when testing. Captain_Murdoch2 told me it was only 14 seconds on his machine, and eventually we figured out we were using different algorithms. When I tried gzip, I was amazed.

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sphery:

So, while he was reviewing the patch, we adding in the compression. Probably makes it a lot more palatable for most people (30MB vs 230MB)

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AndyCap_:

sphery: http://www.maximumcompression.com/data/summary_mf.php

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sphery:

AndyCap_: Cool. I'd like to have seen some by-filetype tests, too, rather than a "usual mix" test. (Though I have to admit thay tested a /lot/ of compression algorithms/programs)

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AndyCap_:

sphery: well. You can probably toss a lot of the programs based on decompression times alone. :) Some are probably only worth considering for interstellar comms. :-P

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AndyCap_:

sphery: btw. I do think they have some single type tests on the frontpage

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janneg:

wow, 11 hours to compress 300M to 62M

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janneg:

the fastest program compressed the testset in 3.4 seconds to 150M

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fn1:

anyone know if theres any truth to this?

[17:13:17]

fn1:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1020956

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justinh:

even a better receiver is no substitute for a decent reception path/antenna/cabling

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fn1:

hmm looks like they will have a dvb-c one out later this year.. should make a lot of people happy

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justinh:

dvb-t too eventually

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justinh:

not that a dvb-c one will be any use to folks in the UK anyway – we're forbidden from connecting any 'foreign' equipment to the cable

[17:18:44]

fn1:

dvb-t says this quarter?

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fn1:

i thought -t was Terrestrial, hows that differ from atsc?

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|Torg|:

modulation

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|Torg|:

ATSC is NA broadcast TV, DVB-T is the rest of the world

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fn1:

ahh got cha

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rym:

I getting database connection errors when trying to run mythtv (ubuntu Gutsy)

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rym:

though it did sucessfully create a username and database

[17:37:40]

rym:

so everything is set up correctly.. it just doesnt work

[17:39:06]

justinh:

did you read the very useful popups during installation?

[17:39:48]

rym:

yeah about that..

[17:39:51]

rym:

i missed the first one

[17:39:54]

rym:

but i did read the second one

[17:40:00]

rym:

and i did the dpkg-reconfiguring

[17:40:15]

rym:

(reconfig database) which is set to correct information

[17:40:26]

rym:

im not sure what the first one refers to?

[17:40:40]

justinh:

vital info, as usual

[17:40:55]

justinh:

anyway the database username & password is kept in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[17:41:05]

rym:

yeah but

[17:41:08]

rym:

it is correct

[17:41:11]

rym:

the database and username

[17:41:18]

rym:

i reconfigured it over and over

[17:41:32]

justinh:

can you log into the mysql server using mysql -u $username -p$password ?

[17:41:49]

rym:

well my root password works, let me try mythtv

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rym:

hmm access denied

[17:44:08]

rym:

then again i cant login via my root either

[17:44:12]

rym:

which is the correct pass

[17:44:22]

timo:

Can any one help im Confused http://pastebin.com/m30505ac4

[17:44:28]

justinh:

the one stored in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt assuming you've not changed it

[17:44:39]

|Torg|:

your confusing PAM restrictions with mysql logins, root on the box is not related to root in mysql

[17:44:41]

justinh:

btw rym this is the MYSQL password not the linux user password!

[17:44:46]

rym:

i know i know

[17:44:54]

rym:

i meant the root of my mysql server

[17:45:01]

rym:

my bad

[17:45:53]

rym:

ie if i try to login with my root via mysql -u

[17:45:54]

rym:

it says

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rym:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

[17:46:27]

rym:

it says the same thing with myhtv

[17:46:35]

kormoc:

try

[17:46:38]

kormoc:

mysql -u root -p

[17:46:39]

justinh:

mysql -u mythtv -p

[17:46:41]

timo:

make sure ur in the mythtv group

[17:46:43]

kormoc:

and typing your password when prompted...

[17:46:50]

rym:

im in the mythtv group

[17:46:59]

timo:

:-D

[17:47:15]

justinh:

I can't believe stuff like this is still going wrong on ubuntu after all they've done to help the situation

[17:47:31]

|Torg|:

teh group you are in, the user you access mysql as and PAM have no effect on logging into mythtv

[17:47:37]

justinh:

maybe a 10 minute timeout on those popups so you can't just dismiss them!

[17:47:42]

laga:

justinh: heh

[17:47:55]

rym:

haha

[17:47:56]

rym:

well

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|Torg|:

err logging into mysql, sorry

[17:48:02]

rym:

i dont know there might just be somethign weird going on

[17:48:12]

justinh:

no, there's never anything weird

[17:48:13]

rym:

cause when i boot mythtv right now i dont see a menu or anything

[17:48:18]

rym:

all i see is my database configuration

[17:48:21]

rym:

also my mouse disappears

[17:48:27]

|Torg|:

rym you have set, or something has set a root password for mysql (its good that it was done, you just need to know what it is)

[17:48:30]

justinh:

it's almost always because somebody screwed up during the install

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|Torg|:

try logging into it with mysql -u myuthtv -p mythconverg

[17:48:48]

laga:

justinh: i so want embedded mysql.

[17:48:51]

timo:

yeh Any one know how i can update the database schema

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|Torg|:

and when it askes for a password tell it mythtv

[17:48:58]

laga:

justinh: the semi-move to config.xml doesn't help the issue either

[17:48:59]

rym:

uhh

[17:49:05]

rym:

i have the root pass of my sql server

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|Torg|:

did you tell mythtv to access mysql as root? its in that /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt file

[17:50:01]

rym:

well at first i just had it access it as mythtv / $pass

[17:50:06]

rym:

or do you mean

[17:50:09]

rym:

at the database configuration ?

[17:50:16]

rym:

the database config i set it to use the root

[17:50:34]

rym:

the frontend/backend i set to use the mythtv usr/pass which has access to the mythcovnerg table

[17:51:11]

justinh:

what?

[17:51:24]

justinh:

mythtv doesn't need root mysql access

[17:51:39]

rym:

when i do dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database

[17:51:43]

justinh:

only you, the administrator of mysql needs root

[17:51:47]

rym:

if i remember correctly it asks for my root access

[17:51:59]

rym:

to make the mythconverg table?

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|Torg|:

rym you are trying to access mysql as root, the admin, not the access mythtv uses nor should it use

[17:52:10]

justinh:

it asks you for your mysql root password so it can set up the database & the 'mythtv' mysql user

[17:52:21]

rym:

Indeed, i know that.

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|Torg|:

make sure the USER mythtv van access mythconverg, a table in mysql

[17:52:36]

rym:

thats what i meant when i said i gave it my root pass

[17:52:37]

justinh:

the _mysql_ user

[17:52:43]

rym:

just to be clear

[17:52:51]

rym:

im NEVER talkinga bout my root password etc :P

[17:52:59]

rym:

i understadn the difference

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timo:

dont be root becouse now mythtv will have to be root too and so will ur recodings 8-)

[17:53:06]

rym:

(between ubuntu root and mysql root)

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justinh:

ok so look in /etc/mythtv.mysql.txt – take whatever password is in there & try that with mysql -u mythtv -p

[17:53:17]

rym:

ok

[17:53:50]

rym:

the password was incorrect, i changed it

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justinh:

how did you change it?

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rym:

2008-04–25 19:53:46.176 Unable to connect to database!

[17:54:21]

rym:

2008-04–25 19:53:46.176 Driver error was [1/1045]:

[17:54:21]

rym:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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rym:

Database error was:

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rym:

Access denied for user 'Mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[17:54:22]

rym:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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rym:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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rym:

2008-04–25 19:53:46.231 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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rym:

Query was:

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timo:

paste bin http://pastebin.com/m30505ac4

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kormoc:

rym, don't paste in here...

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rym:

SELECT NULL;

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rym:

ah, sorry

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xris:

justinh: kormoc just pointed out http://vectormagic.com/ — could conceivably create a vector image of the mythtv logo

[17:54:37]

justinh:

so can you log into mysql with mysql -u mythtv -p and use the password you think it is?

[17:54:42]

rym:

i sudo gedited the mysql.txt file

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rym:

yes i can justinh

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timo:

I cant watch any tv =-O http://pastebin.com/m30505ac4

[17:55:03]

justinh:

rym: ahh

[17:55:21]

justinh:

rym: so find any instances of mysql.txt on your machine & make sure they have the correct details

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kormoc:

rym, user names are case sensitive, Mythtv != mythtv

[17:55:36]

rym:

mhm

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justinh:

also look for ~/.mythtv/config.xml

[17:56:02]

rym:

wait just so you know

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rym:

yesterday i didnt change any password etc

[17:56:18]

rym:

i used the default mythtv pass it gave me, everything WAS set correctly

[17:56:21]

rym:

yet it still didnt connect

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justinh:

xris: ooo. I don't think I ever tried the mythtv logo in inkscape's tracing tools though

[17:56:37]

kormoc:

rym, the point being, if you can log in with mysql -u mythtv -p, your case is wrong in your mysql.txt/config.xml files

[17:56:46]

justinh:

xris: the logo itself is easy – it's those damn sproingy things :P

[17:56:55]

xris:

inkscape does it, too? interesting

[17:57:17]

justinh:

xris: either it does it, or something is available to make it do it. I've tried it I can remember that much at least

[17:57:23]

timo:

Can i run ubuntu feisty backend and hardy front end ?

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kormoc:

timo, if they're using the exact same version of myth, yes

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justinh:

timo: not recommended but if they run the same version of mythtv then yes

[17:57:57]

timo:

not wrking here

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timo:

i upgraded to hardy not nothing will work

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kormoc:

timo, then they're likely not the exact same version of myth

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|Torg|:

timo you can run one backend as a debian box your slave a feistry box and your frontend as heron with your sql database running on Solaris

[17:58:44]

justinh:

the only way to guarantee compatibility between different distro versions is to build from source on all boxes

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laga:

feisty has 0.20 or even older, hardy has 0.21

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|Torg|:

mostly becase im too lazy to go upgrade what dosnt need upgrading

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rym:

~/.mythtv/config.xml <- cant seem to find that

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justinh:

rym: so just find mysql.txt & make sure it has the correct details

[17:59:28]

rym:

okay..

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laga:

justinh: not quite true. i'll try to have weekly fixes builds for gutsy and hardy from the same versions.. although that costs some time

[17:59:33]

rym:

what about config.xml then

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timo:

Now i see

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justinh:

rym: locate config.xml & see if it exists anywhere

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timo:

im going back to feisty

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justinh:

laga: yeah well until somebody gets their finger out with the backports it is :P

[18:00:12]

laga:

timo: feisty will be EOLd in 6 months.

[18:00:15]

timo:

fist locate -a then locate that file if you cant find it

[18:00:26]

timo:

Well i have no choice

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laga:

justinh: :> yeah, mistake on our part. this release has the backports disabled :)

[18:01:09]

laga:

timo: if you want mythtv 0.20, then try ubuntu gutsy at least.. but disable the backports or you'll get 0.21

[18:01:23]

laga:

i have my own private builds for my feisty backend

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rym:

cant seem to find config.xml

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rym:

at least not related to mythtv

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justinh:

rym: so far so good then. what about mysql.txt ?

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rym:

its set correctly

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

rym, did you fix the case like I pointed out?

[18:03:08]

rym:

what did you mean ?

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timo:

thanks laga

[18:03:12]

rym:

er

[18:03:13]

rym:

*what case

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kormoc:

rym, you said you can log in with the command line of "mysql -u mythtv -p", right?

[18:03:34]

rym:

yeah

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kormoc:

<rym> Access denied for user 'Mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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justinh:

heh

[18:03:50]

kormoc:

your log shows myth is using the username of Mythtv

[18:03:55]

rym:

ah yeah that works now

[18:03:56]

kormoc:

Mythtv is not the same as mythtv

[18:04:10]

rym:

oh.

[18:04:11]

rym:

ohh

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justinh:

is mYtHtV the same as rewjkrgewjhgrw ?

[18:04:19]

timo:

case sensitive

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xris:

justinh: seems to do a decent job on the mythtv logo if you turn up the scan count

[18:04:21]

rym:

haha i udnerstand i understand

[18:04:50]

rym:

mysql -u mythtv -p <- that workss

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justinh:

xris: I was never really interested in vectorising the logo once I'd made an unfeasibly huge bitmap ;)

[18:05:08]

kormoc:

so you need to tell myth to use the lower case username

[18:05:22]

rym:

yeah it all works now

[18:05:29]

rym:

now it tells me the master backend server isnt running

[18:05:45]

rym:

pom pom

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kormoc:

likely cause it couldn't connect to the db and exited out as well

[18:05:50]

rym:

mythbackend

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rym:

if i run mythbackend it actually says it can connect to the db

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rym:

ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database.

[18:06:34]

kormoc:

rym, you likely should run mythbackend via an init.d script or the like

[18:06:37]

rym:

that's what mythbackend says

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kormoc:

rym, you need to run mythtv-setup and setup myth first

[18:06:51]

xris:

justinh: it's not that big for print work, though

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timo:

bye all

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rym:

oh wait

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rym:

mythtv ran because i was in the /etc/mythtv directory or something ?

[18:08:12]

rym:

cause when i leave that directory it gives me database errors again

[18:08:15]

rym:

this doesnt make sense

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AcTiVaTe:

rym: Usually boils down to some .mythtv/mysql.txt file not being correct

[18:13:21]

rym:

but its set correctly

[18:13:24]

rym:

look this is what it does

[18:13:31]

rym:

when im in a randomd irectory

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rym:

say /home/rym/lol

[18:13:38]

rym:

and i run mythtv

[18:13:42]

rym:

i get a heap of DB connection errors

[18:13:50]

rym:

when im in /etc/mythtv

[18:13:53]

rym:

and run mythtv

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rym:

it works.

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kormoc:

rym, cause it checks ./.mythtv/* first, and then ~/.mythtv/* second

[18:14:30]

Anduin:

rym: a settings file in the local directory takes priority

[18:14:31]

AcTiVaTe:

lolz ;)

[18:14:33]

kormoc:

so edit the file in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and set that correct

[18:14:39]

AcTiVaTe:

he left the building

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AcTiVaTe:

unintenionally I think

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rym:

sorry

[18:15:10]

kormoc:

<Anduin> rym: a settings file in the local directory takes priority

[18:15:15]

kormoc:

so edit the file in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and set that correct

[18:16:27]

AcTiVaTe:

Most likely also a /var/lib/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[18:17:20]

Anduin:

rym: I forget the order but settings files are combined, so a single bad settings in one that isn't overridden with a good setting in a later file will mess things up

[18:17:37]

rym:

yeah im noticing this

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rym:

but

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rym:

we've advanced once more

[18:17:47]

rym:

mythtv boots

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rym:

now it says it's already using all available input channels

[18:18:26]

AcTiVaTe:

close tvtime? :P

[18:18:45]

rym:

I was wondering what the process name was

[18:18:59]

AcTiVaTe:

what process name?

[18:19:00]

rym:

oh, im not running that.. i think? :p

[18:19:06]

rym:

i dont have mythtv running

[18:19:22]

rym:

wait im gonna restart this session

[18:19:26]

rym:

just in case i did anything weird ok

[18:19:55]

rym:

or is that a windows-thought and should i never dare do something lkike that again

[18:20:03]

AcTiVaTe:

Just do fuser /dev/video

[18:20:03]

rym:

as in, windows user way of thinking ;p

[18:20:18]

rym:

/dev/video no such file or directory

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rym:

let me check what my tvcard is really on

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AcTiVaTe:

Perhaps there is only /dev/video0

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rym:

yeah

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rym:

well theres video0, video24, video32

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mkrufky:

ignore 24 and 32 — they're not what you want

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rym:

fuser doesnt really show me anything ?

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AcTiVaTe:

Then do a fuser /dev/video0 to see what is using it

[18:22:43]

AcTiVaTe:

Then no PID is using it and you need to check yer Input config for mythtv

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rym:

okay ill run mythtv-setup again

[18:23:06]

rym:

also

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flithm:

hey does anyone else here run myth with gnome?

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keith4:

sure

[18:23:18]

rym:

i dont haev a pointer in mythtv

[18:23:22]

rym:

my mouse is.. gone

[18:23:51]

AcTiVaTe:

mythtv is known for it's non-mouse operation

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stuarta:

error, mouse has left the building

[18:24:00]

AcTiVaTe:

Use yer keyboard or a remote control ;)

[18:24:41]

rym:

ahkey

[18:24:42]

rym:

:p

[18:24:50]

rym:

but im sure the first time i booted i did have a pointer :p

[18:27:41]

justinh:

mythtv hides the mouse pointer by default

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** stuarta waves to justinh **

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justinh:

mice are bad for falling down the back of the couch anyway

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justinh:

they like all the crumbs down there!

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justinh:

oyoy stuarta

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stuarta:

little blighters are hard to catch when they escape

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stuarta:

allo allo

[18:28:34]

stuarta:

spent the afternoon driving fast cars around little tracks and skidpans

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stuarta:

:)

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justinh:

ooo nice

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justinh:

brb gotta be taxi

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stuarta:

v12 under the right boot aint bad

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rym:

how can i check what pid is using /dev/video0

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rym:

or does only fuser do tha

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rym:

t

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rym:

cause fuser isnt giving me anything, mythtv is giving me the same error and mythtv-setup is set up correctly.

[18:36:20]

keith4:

lsof?

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keith4:

lsof | grep /dev/video0

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rym:

doesnt give me anything

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rym:

blank..

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keith4:

then it's not open

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rym:

How would i open it

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keith4:

*you* don't open it

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keith4:

mythtv opens it

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rym:

(and when something isnt open, mythtv thinks it's using it?

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keith4:

no

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keith4:

if something else had it open, maybe myth would have trouble opening it

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rym:

but this isnt the case

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keith4:

right

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rym:

okay

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rym:

Well the only thing i can think of is that i never really did anything with ivtv as i cant find anything for gutsy

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rym:

and ubuntu has already detected the card, and when myhtv probes /dev/video0 it also detects the correct card

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AcTiVaTe:

Does tvtime or any other program accessing /dev/video0 work?

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rym:

installing tvtime

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rym:

tvtime says invalid argument

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rym:

cannot open capture device /dev/video0

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AcTiVaTe:

modprobe -r ivtv and modprobe ivtv

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AcTiVaTe:

And try again I guess

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AcTiVaTe:

Do a dmesg|tail after those commands to see if any log output was generated

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marl:

hi folks, trying to fix the last few problems with my myth setup :) trying to get my nova-t-500 remote working, the cursor keys work, but no others :( if i run irw it shows all the correct commands, the problem appears to be getting those commands into myth :(

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AcTiVaTe:

AFAIK you need an lircrc within ~/.mythtv

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marl:

got that in there

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stuarta:

rym: sounds like permissions error

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rym:

hmm

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stuarta:

ls -l /dev/video

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rym:

sudo tvtime doesnt really change anything

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rym:

dont i like seperately need to install ivtv drivers

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rym:

and ivtv firmware and such

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mkrufky:

tvtime is a analog tv app for raw framegrabbers

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mkrufky:

ivtv is a driver for hardware mpeg2 encoder cards

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rym:

video0 != composite input

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rym:

or doesnt that matter ?

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mkrufky:

you can not use tvtime to play an mpeg2 stream

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mkrufky:

tvtime _WILL_NOT_ work with an ivtv device

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rym:

Hmm okay

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rym:

alternatively

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rym:

i just tried mplayer /dev/video0 and all im getting is static ?

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mkrufky:

tune to a channel

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rym:

how ?

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rym:

i need composite..

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mkrufky:

oh

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mkrufky:

well, choose composite, then :-)

[19:06:45]

rym:

haha i really have no idea how :p

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mkrufky:

you can use the "qv4l2" or ctl2-ctl to do that

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mkrufky:

oops

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mkrufky:

qv4l2 or v4l2-ctl

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rym:

uhh

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rym:

:L

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mkrufky:

there are such utilities available in the "v4l2-apps" directory of the mercurial v4l-dvb tree hosted on linuxtv.org

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rym:

(*wrong smiley, sorry

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fn1:

is there like a .21 fixes?

[19:07:43]

rym:

but.. i cant like make mythtv read out my composite inpunt of my pvr card

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stuarta:

fn1: yes

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fn1:

how would one apply that?

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stuarta:

rym: get it working outside myth first, then move onto myth

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rym:

okay

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stuarta:

fn1: your distro should roll it up for you

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rym:

what is this qv3l2 andor v2l2-ctl

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mkrufky:

rym: it does what i said, above — try it and find out, then you can explain it to the next guy that asks for help

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rym:

okay..

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rym:

its funny

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rym:

in windows i feel like a king, all my friends (and foes) ask me for help but

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rym:

in unix, wow :p

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rym:

* *nix.

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stuarta:

it separates the men from the boys

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|Torg|:

linux is not unix

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mkrufky:

No soup for you!

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rym:

i know linux isnt unix

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rym:

my bad

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rym:

but, well, you get the idea

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mkrufky:

:-P

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sphery:

rym: I've been building my own GNU/Linux distro from source since '99 and, yet, when friends ask me for help with "Linux" (read Ubuntu or FC or ...), I'm clueless and no help.

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neztiti:

hi guys . i installed ubuntu 8.04 now :-D . can i copy pase all the files of mythtv.debs from ubuntu gutsy 7.10 to ubuntu hardy 8.04 from /var/cashe/apt ???

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mkrufky:

no! neztiti

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laga:

sphery: "linux 10.1 no worky! help!" ;)

[19:12:59]

laga:

neztiti: please don't make the kittens sad. use apt.

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mkrufky:

neztiti: hardy has mythtv 0.21 ... why would you do anything else?

[19:14:11]

neztiti:

laga: i have slow internet connection to download all the files . i miss mythtv on my disk man :)

[19:14:22]

sphery:

Yeah. It's amazing, though, how different each distro is, but people still think it's "just Linux." (Though now some are starting to use weird adjectives, instead, like "Hoary" or "Intrepid" or ... :)

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laga:

neztiti: then download it somewhere else ;)

[19:14:44]

mkrufky:

hoary intrepid — its release codenames

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neztiti:

mkrufky: i have these files man – i talk about 0.21 fixy

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mkrufky:

ah

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mkrufky:

deviate from apt and you lose JustWorks(tm) support

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neztiti:

mkrufky: : what u say man???

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laga:

yes

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laga:

we have lots of JustWorks fairy dust in the packages+

[19:15:59]

laga:

so just use them :)

[19:16:14]

mkrufky:

did he ask me to repeat myself in a logged chat room?

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neztiti:

laga: i can use them?

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|Torg|:

whats the mythfilldatabase option to purge old schedule data?

[19:17:10]

laga:

neztiti: no. get them from hardy. everything else *might* work, but getting from hardy is the best way to make sure it'll work. or at least to get support.

[19:17:15]

sphery:

Woah... My view of Ubuntu just changed. I knew there was "Hoary Hedgehog", and I'd heard talk of "Hardy Heron," but had never recognized the existence of 2 "H" versions 'til just now...

[19:17:20]

laga:

neztiti: also, the hardy build is newer and has more bug fixes.

[19:17:49]

laga:

sphery: indeed. odd.

[19:18:27]

neztiti:

laga: ok man . thank you and thanx for mkrufky too

[19:18:44]

mkrufky:

:-) you're welcome

[19:19:07]

laga:

neztiti: i think you can somehow generate download scripts to download all needed packages on a different computer. then you can put them on a CD and transfer them to your computer

[19:19:15]

sphery:

|Torg|: it was removed

[19:20:04]

neztiti:

you know men – i like mythtv and i want it quickly on my screen

[19:20:07]

sphery:

|Torg|: All cleanup is now done in the housekeeper (automatically and daily). The old option, though, only said whether to keep 0 or 7 days of old listings (mfdb always "purged old data")

[19:20:35]

sphery:

|Torg|: I am assumingy you're running 0.21, though. If not, just run mfdb (no options required)

[19:21:06]

neztiti:

laga: n/p m8 . another day without mythtv

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|Torg|:

sphery: yes or more exactly trunk from svn. I never really looked at how it ran other then noting today there is schedule data that is about a week old in it now

[19:21:33]

neztiti:

i have to wait and download then slowly

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sphery:

|Torg|: Yeah, that's the old "--no-delete" option, now always applied (without, it deleted all "expired" listings). The data doesn't hurt anything (and is often useful in determining why something didn't record--for conflicts or whatever), so it stays. If you don't like its effects on MythWeb, a patch is in order (to allow a setting to say whether to show "old" listings).

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laga:

neztiti: you can also downloaded the mythbuntu alternate disk which should have all debs. but that's 700M ;)

[19:23:36]

clever:

sphery: ONCE i manualy downloaded a .deb from the ubuntu site under winblows

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clever:

sphery: then manualy stuck it in apt's cache

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clever:

and it worked exactly as i expected

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|Torg|:

sphery: its less that I do not like it, rather it was not expected. If I know why it does it I can simply ignore it

[19:24:10]

clever:

the main reason is because that was the .deb for the dialup drivers:P

[19:24:15]

clever:

without that i cant get it

[19:24:22]

clever:

chicken in the egg problem:P

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sphery:

|Torg|: hope I gave you enough why... :)

[19:24:43]

|Torg|:

clever: that or learn how to use dpkg instead :)

[19:24:51]

clever:

in the end it didnt fix anything

[19:25:01]

clever:

even with the 'proper' winmodem drivers it didnt do crap

[19:25:13]

clever:

need to remember to bring the old external modem:P

[19:25:18]

clever:

or the pcmcia one

[19:25:27]

clever:

anything but internal winmodem!

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sphery:

clever: speaking of Windows/Ubuntu, I noticed they have a "Wubi" tool for Windows users "that can bring you to the Linux world with a single click."

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|Torg|:

cygwin

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clever:

i think ive looked at that before, it looks like a wine's twin:P

[19:26:07]

laga:

no.

[19:26:13]

sphery:

Sounds scary to me... Just enough to let someone (with no knowledge of *nix) corrupt their Windows install?

[19:26:20]

clever:

or am i thinking of something else

[19:26:25]

laga:

it'll install ubuntu into an image and modifies the windows boot loader to load the image.

[19:26:28]

laga:

nothing scary there

[19:26:34]

clever:

ahh

[19:26:34]

rym:

good ubuntu will bring me to my kneeeess

[19:26:37]

rym:

*godd

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clever:

yeah that sounds allmost doable

[19:26:52]

clever:

i could probly do that manualy

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|Torg|:

Windows is for games, leave it as such. Linux is for apps, use it as such

[19:27:24]

sphery:

clever: I have a couple of hardware modems--a 28.8 and a 33.6. Haven't used them in a /lot/ of years.

[19:27:29]

clever:

the bigest problem i can see is editing the loopback image on ntfs

[19:27:36]

clever:

which needs ntfs write support

[19:27:51]

laga:

clever: i dont know how they do that.. let's see

[19:27:51]

clever:

sphery: one of my older external modems runs on 9v dc

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clever:

ive even ran it off a 9v batery before

[19:27:59]

justinh:

if ubuntu will bring you to your knees, maybe you should buy a nice big ubuntu book & read it a couple of times :)

[19:28:01]

clever:

but it doesnt last long

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sphery:

laga: image like for a virtualization engine or image like a file on the Windows disk or ?

[19:28:18]

laga:

sphery: "file on windows disk". sorry for being unclear

[19:28:24]

clever:

from a glance at wubi on wikipedia

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clever:

it puts the rootfs on a loopback file on the c:\

[19:28:35]

justinh:

and think how me, a poor noob felt when a friend insisted I use gentoo for my linux indoctrination

[19:28:41]

|Torg|:

justinh: naa jump in with both feet, format you desktop and install ubuntu. It may take a month but you will learn :)

[19:28:42]

sphery:

laga: Probably more my ignorance than your explanation.

[19:28:55]

sphery:

I didn't look into it at all, just noticed it.

[19:28:58]

justinh:

I was very much like "HELP!!!! HHEELLPP!" :D

[19:29:10]

clever:

i started out with redhat9 :P

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clever:

and i still have a rh9 server going

[19:29:41]

|Torg|:

I evicted RH a long time ago when glib wouldnt compile its own kernel

[19:29:43]

justinh:

I remember the swearing about it on forums. "mother ****ing donkey-***ing piece of ****" and stronger

[19:29:46]

sphery:

justinh: I definitely agree that cold-turkey is the best way to learn.

[19:30:09]

justinh:

but hey look at me now. I'm a jack of all trades. not even near being master of any

[19:30:33]

justinh:

and now I CBA to recompile mythplugins on my frontend. bah

[19:30:54]

clever:

all my frontends share a single /lib/ for myth

[19:31:02]

clever:

so if i do rebuild i fix them all at once

[19:31:10]

laga:

clever: writing to ntfs inside a single file shouldn't be a big problem, though

[19:31:13]

justinh:

I'd take the easy way out & just update my backend & frontend to 8.02 but there's so much to lose

[19:31:15]

sphery:

justinh: Fortunately for me, I had a disk crash of my Win98 disk and couldn't run Windows setup once I replaced the disk and it took me 6 months to figure out it was my tweaked BIOS settings on my K6–2/380 that caused setup to fail. In the meantime, I was using Red Hat 5.

[19:31:34]

clever:

laga: the wiki says that its more likely to get damaged from improper shutdowns

[19:31:43]

justinh:

unfortunately the 'easy' way will take much longer :P

[19:31:44]

sphery:

Once I got Windows to install, again, I've only used it for online video games since.

[19:31:45]

clever:

probly from flaws in how the ntfs-3g handles the journal

[19:31:54]

clever:

or doesnt

[19:32:08]

justinh:

for my day to day use I think I'll go back to loonix

[19:32:09]

|Torg|:

I view the OS mythtv runs on as simply a platform. If the drivers work I dont really care if its up to date or not. As long as I can dpkg my own builds on it, it is fine by me

[19:32:23]

sphery:

does NTFS have a journal? I was wondering that a couple of weeks ago.

[19:32:33]

clever:

i think it does

[19:32:33]

sphery:

FAT32 still doesn't, right?

[19:32:37]

justinh:

hah

[19:32:42]

clever:

never heard of one in fat:P

[19:32:48]

justinh:

does fat32 even keep records of files? :)

[19:32:54]

|Torg|:

fat does not, newer ntfs does

[19:33:04]

sphery:

how new is newer?

[19:33:04]

|Torg|:

and journals are not the end all be all of file systems

[19:33:14]

|Torg|:

I belive somewhere about win2k

[19:33:15]

sphery:

XP SP1?

[19:33:28]

sphery:

probably on all XP, then.

[19:33:58]

|Torg|:

keep in mind I am a san guy, not a windows admin. I usualy get windows admins to do the OS stuff for me

[19:34:42]

sphery:

Hrmmph. "The exact file system specification is a trade secret." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS ) I hate "trade secrets."

[19:35:08]

clever:

because of that we need go guess our way thru and damage things along the way:P

[19:35:43]

sphery:

Yeah. I played with some of the early ntfs drivers (pre ntfs3g)

[19:36:00]

clever:

once ive had gparted FRY a ntfs

[19:36:06]

clever:

it somehow zeroed out the start of the thing

[19:36:11]

sphery:

Was fun. (Just playing with it--no dev'ing.)

[19:36:11]

clever:

but claimed to resize without error

[19:36:21]

|Torg|:

trade scret means they will take care of it for you, which is why I set back and laugh at the IIS SQL injeciton probelms, windows virii and other things that happen to the sheep

[19:36:22]

clever:

i managed to somehow repair it and regain 100gig of data

[19:36:48]

clever:

|Torg|: what about the vmsplice hole in 2.6!!!

[19:36:54]

clever:

instant root!

[19:37:06]

laga:

clever: instant fixed!

[19:37:11]

clever:

and since testing it on myself ive yet to see a kernel upgrade

[19:37:15]

|Torg|:

I didnt say linux does not have its own issues, why do you think I have two firewalls and a dmz :P

[19:37:16]

clever:

for ubuntu 7.10

[19:37:21]

laga:

there was even an exploit which patched the hole.. but it made things unstable ;)

[19:37:27]

clever:

lol

[19:39:23]

|Torg|:

but also clever keep in mind nobody from some linux camp hid the fact there was a problem and rolled it up into Ubuto SP1 either

[19:39:39]

clever:

lol

[19:39:55]

clever:

sample code is all over the web in plain sight

[19:40:00]

clever:

anybody can fix it

[19:40:05]

clever:

anybody can abuse it:P

[19:40:37]

laga:

dont use it

[19:40:39]

laga:

;)

[19:41:19]

clever:

its not a remote exploit so it wont get you in the front door

[19:41:23]

clever:

not much use on its own

[19:42:25]

|Torg|:

yes no sofware will take the place of good netowrk secruity and access policy

[19:42:36]

sphery:

I figured cutting down the software I run on my system to the simplest code I could get would increase security. I tried cutting back to a program called BIOS, but it was easily exploitable--anyone could run whatever they wanted by simply putting appropriate code at an appropriate location on disk.

[19:42:39]

clever:

my ssh port is locked down

[19:42:55]

|Torg|:

my ssh is by key only

[19:42:56]

sphery:

SPA rules!

[19:42:59]

laga:

sphery: f'ing MBR

[19:43:02]

clever:

only way to open it from the outside is to login to something totaly unrelated to network security(under my name) and click a special link

[19:43:20]

clever:

and i think it only lets the ip clicking that in

[19:43:24]

sphery:

Oh, you mean this link? I hadn't noticed that...

[19:43:28]

clever:

havent used it since i made it

[19:43:36]

|Torg|:

secruity though obscruity

[19:43:41]

clever:

you need to be logged in under my username also:P

[19:43:45]

clever:

which is password protected

[19:43:58]

clever:

obscruity and passworded

[19:44:32]

|Torg|:

obscruity != security its flase and can often lead to improper assumtions

[19:44:33]

sphery:

I'm now a big fan of http://cipherdyne.org/fwknop/

[19:44:55]

clever:

|Torg|: you cant even see the link(or activate it) until part of $_SESSION gets set right

[19:45:11]

clever:

which wont happen until you provide a name and password which match the mysql entry

[19:45:21]

clever:

and i use mysql_escape alot

[19:45:24]

|Torg|:

add iptables deny to anyone who failes to log in, I actualy add it to the ACL on my firewall

[19:45:30]

sphery:

At least you have it protected by a web server. They almost never get hacked. ;)

[19:45:40]

clever:

:P

[19:45:43]

|Torg|:

if AT&T woudl give me access to their rotuer ID add it ther as well :P

[19:46:49]

clever:

one of the bigger flaws in the security that i can think of

[19:46:57]

clever:

the login for that site isnt thru https

[19:47:27]

clever:

if you where packet sniffing at just the right place you could open the ssh port forwarding

[19:47:38]

clever:

but even then it would take months to brute force the ssh:P

[19:48:21]

sphery:

clever: check out fwknop / SPA. It's a great solution.

[19:48:22]

neztiti:

laga: i have the disk that you tell me to download (mythtvubuntu 8.04) but no deb files there – its system files only – how i can extract it or get the deb files from the system file???

[19:48:23]

clever:

and no the http pw doesnt match the ssh pw:P

[19:48:39]

laga:

neztiti: the alternate disk. you need the alternate disk

[19:48:49]

|Torg|:

well even if you do get into my ssh server, with the proper key you brute forced (oh and it will simply deny your IP for an undiscolsed period after you fail 3 times anyway) you will still only get into the DMZ

[19:48:53]

clever:

sphery: i dont think id be able to find a palm based port knocker

[19:49:02]

|Torg|:

if you hacked my wirless you will only get to the DMZ

[19:49:03]

neztiti:

no its ubuntumythtv 8.04

[19:49:11]

clever:

i made this arround the idea that id be knocking from a cellphone

[19:49:14]

laga:

neztiti: you need the alternate disk for mythbuntu 8.04

[19:49:16]

sphery:

clever: can you run perl on your palm?

[19:49:23]

clever:

sphery: no idea

[19:49:33]

Dagmar:

You can't.

[19:49:34]

clever:

but i do have a vnc and ssh client for the palm

[19:49:34]

sphery:

(though fwknop client is probably a bit heavy for that)

[19:49:54]

clever:

i was even using it to vnc into a 300x300 pixel mythfrontend lastnight from the phone:P

[19:49:59]

neztiti:

laga: no need dear for it – i will download the files here

[19:50:03]

clever:

but the arrow keys arent maped right

[19:50:12]

clever:

so any menu i go into is a dead end

[19:50:53]

|Torg|:

ssh only port pass 443 to teh inside firewall, then the only damnage you can really do is delete my recordings from mythweb

[19:51:16]

Dagmar:

hardly.

[19:51:24]

clever:

i ssh in to screen -x alot

[19:51:32]

clever:

mainly for irc and to check on the free space in myth

[19:51:54]

|Torg|:

freespace is recorded on mythweb anyway

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clever:

and port knocking seems to border on secruity though obscruity

[19:52:15]

clever:

mythweb's recording list kills the master backend

[19:52:28]

clever:

df -h is way faster anyways

[19:52:30]

sphery:

clever: I agree--port knocking doesn't work. SPA is different, though. Much better application of real security principles.

[19:52:33]

Dagmar:

Kills YOUR master backend.

[19:52:45]

Dagmar:

...and port knocking works fine.

[19:52:46]

clever:

its that 100% cpu usage bug

[19:52:59]

|Torg|:

so is mythfilldatabase :P

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clever:

mythbackend goes 100% SYSTEM cpu usage

[19:53:18]

clever:

when i load the recording list in mythweb

[19:53:29]

clever:

its a bug in the http/upnp area

[19:53:32]

|Torg|:

sounds like you need more memory

[19:53:41]

clever:

it remains stuck like that

[19:53:43]

clever:

for hours

[19:53:44]

clever:

even days

[19:53:46]

sphery:

clever: You still haven't found that bug? I hope you're not expecting one of us (who are no longer experiencing it) to fix it.

[19:53:48]

clever:

until i restart it

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clever:

i havent updated in weeks(or months)

[19:54:20]

clever:

and ive just been avoiding mythweb so it may have been fixed by now

[19:54:21]

sphery:

yeah, I remember you were updating at a time when it was fixed for basically everyone else.

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sphery:

but you still saw the issue.

[19:54:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: that's the thumbnail bug... it's been fixed for a long time... go to 0.21-fixes, buddy... ;-)

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clever:

im on the qt4 part now:P

[19:54:50]

|Torg|:

I dunno apache2 uses more cpu then mythbackend so I cant see where your problem is, I dunno about mysql tho it runs on a seperate box

[19:54:54]

clever:

probly cant back up to 21-fixes

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clever:

|Torg|: mysql and apache are on the 'media' box

[19:55:09]

sphery:

gbee is still trying to get his router working.

[19:55:12]

clever:

the master is over on 'thep4'

[19:55:20]

clever:

MythTV Version : 16980M

[19:55:21]

clever:

MythTV Branch : trunk

[19:55:35]

|Torg|:

is the database files on the same drive as the cache files for mythweb?

[19:55:36]

gbee:

not sure I trust lm_sensors, it's telling me that this backend is only at 32C under load

[19:55:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever, The way I worked around it was to comment out the thumbnail image in the php source... so no thumbnails, but loaded in 3 seconds, with nearly 400 recordings...

[19:56:03]

clever:

|Torg|: yes and no

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clever:

|Torg|: the mythweb code&cache are on a nfs mount back to theP4

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|Torg|:

I could go clear the tubnail cache and see how long it takes to regen them. mostly its simply a slight lag in loading the page

[19:56:27]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i did that also once, but it seems to have undone itself

[19:56:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: ooh, freezing cold! Oh, wait... "C", not "F"... ;-)

[19:56:41]

clever:

|Torg|: it takes 20mins or more to regenerate it

[19:56:49]

|Torg|:

clever: you do know NFS stands for Not For Speed, right :P

[19:56:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever, Yeah, you put in a new version of mythweb -that's what un-did it...

[19:57:01]

clever:

the problem is the thing cant work in paralel

[19:57:17]

clever:

my apache is pointing right at the svn directory

[19:57:28]

clever:

so when i svn update the copy in use gets updated instantly

[19:57:30]

gbee:

sphery: I've not touched the router, I wouldn't know where to start debugging the IRC disconnect issue and because it's a hardware router (instead of my old software one) there isn't much I can do anyway

[19:57:31]

|Torg|:

NFS shoudl be used for multi-read not nulti-write

[19:57:40]

clever:

no need to copy it over and trash the 'in use' copy

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: not used to seeing CPUs running that cool with no extreme cooling being used

[19:58:05]

sphery:

gbee: Oh. Just saw you connecting/disconnecting, so I assumed.\

[19:58:15]

clever:

gbee: ive been getting spikes of no thruput at all on my dsl line lately

[19:58:28]

gbee:

sphery: heh, IRC client crashed

[19:58:28]

clever:

gbee: and when it hits windows, 5–10 tcp connections explode at once

[19:58:36]

clever:

causing irc connects to not last more then 2 hours

[19:58:57]

clever:

routing it thru squid on theP4 solved that instantly

[19:59:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever, yeah, but that means it blows away the commented-out thumbnails... So it would seem the thumbnail 'bug', or one similar to it, is back in your svn version — I'd update before opening a ticket, it may be fixed...

[19:59:14]

clever:

now the spikes just turn into near harmless 20 second lags

[19:59:16]

gbee:

clever: could be unrelated to the new router, it would just be a huge coincidence though that the problem only started since I installed it

[19:59:24]

|Torg|:

deleted the tubnail cache, mythbackedn went to 14% of cpu for about 30 seconds and recreated 214 filees of ~1.5TB of mpeg2 recordings

[19:59:48]

clever:

gbee: ive ran ping on my router(linux) aiming it right at the other end of the ppp link

[19:59:51]

clever:

gbee: 20% packet loss!

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clever:

lol!

[20:00:07]

gbee:

ouch

[20:00:15]

clever:

my master is weirdly slow for its freq

[20:00:20]

sphery:

|Torg|: Yeah, I don't see the issue, either. Only heard clever and Chris Petersen mention seeing it since it was "fixed" for the rest of us.

[20:00:22]

clever:

i blame the long pipeline cache

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J-e-f-f-A:

Off to do more yard work.... :-(

[20:02:18]

|Torg|:

the only thing I know that can bring the backend to its knees is a mythfilldatabse. I blame that on my mysql databse being slow. Then again its just a 36G SCSI drive

[20:02:33]

clever:

about 1h 30m until my next recording

[20:02:38]

clever:

got some time to update:)

[20:02:59]

clever:

the mysqld here is on a 400mhz desktop

[20:03:20]

clever:

currently storing the datadir on lvm

[20:04:55]

clever:

the master is also storing recordings on lvm

[20:05:13]

|Torg|:

mines on an D1000 with veritas, I need to do something about the old hardware but I love my disk array :)

[20:05:19]

Dagmar:

Torq: Get more RAM, dude.

[20:05:30]

|Torg|:

in what Dagmar?

[20:05:33]

Dagmar:

People don't run databases that are supposed to go fast primarily off disk,.

[20:05:40]

Dagmar:

If you want it to go fast, buy more RAM.

[20:05:48]

sphery:

especially on a 400MHz system.

[20:05:55]

|Torg|:

umm its a Solaris box with 8G of memory

[20:05:58]

Dagmar:

Mythfilldatabase runs fine here, but then I've got a Gb of RAM

[20:06:09]

clever:

ugh:P

[20:06:17]

clever:

MemTotal: 223484 kB

[20:06:21]

clever:

(for the mysqld box)

[20:06:28]

Dagmar:

Something's rather wrong with your machine then.

[20:06:32]

|Torg|:

Dagmar: do you mean the backend?

[20:06:51]

clever:

32mb+64mb+128mb

[20:06:58]

Dagmar:

No, I mean the backend machine, which now I'm wondering how you're running on a Solaris machine.

[20:07:26]

Dagmar:

You complained that mythfilldatabase brings the backend "to it's knees" and cited mysql as the source of the problem.

[20:07:32]

|Torg|:

OHH I run mythbackend on an AMD X2 3800 with 1G of memory. I run mysql on a Solaris box

[20:07:32]

Dagmar:

I say, give it more RAM.

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|Torg|:

I assumed it was mysql as it tends to lag a bit with things like amarok and a few web apps I use

[20:08:16]

|Torg|:

its not that it bugs me to the point of changing it tho

[20:08:45]

|Torg|:

mostly I know if mythweb compalins about not being able to connect to simply wait for mythfillatabse to stop running

[20:09:02]

Dagmar:

Wow

[20:09:09]

Dagmar:

Raise the limits in my.cnf, dude.

[20:09:10]

Dagmar:

Heh

[20:09:17]

clever:

i just kill mfdb if its causing cpu problems

[20:09:23]

clever:

i got 2 weeks of data

[20:09:29]

clever:

i can handle skiping it a few time

[20:09:31]

clever:

s

[20:09:34]

Dagmar:

if ONE process could consume all of MySQL's resources, how do you think buisnesses can possibly use it?

[20:09:49]

clever:

Dagmar: with better hardware:P

[20:09:56]

|Torg|:

Dagmar: I ageee but im reluctant to go screw with a working mysql install just for a little bit more speed

[20:10:00]

Dagmar:

You shouldn't get any errors from mythweb like that, that's for certain

[20:10:08]

|Torg|:

that database has a hell of allot more then just mythconverg on it

[20:10:14]

Dagmar:

Torg: I wouldn't call an installation that can only handle one task at a time "working"

[20:10:27]

Dagmar:

I would call it "overtaxed"

[20:10:33]

clever:

|Torg|: mine was like that but it ran in the wrong TZ

[20:10:37]

|Torg|:

ok Dagmar then I would call it not broken to the point I want to fix it

[20:10:38]

Dagmar:

...or "undertuned". That's probably a better word for it

[20:10:46]

clever:

which is why i moved the mysqld for mythconverg to another box

[20:11:20]

|Torg|:

but yes I have considerd upping the values for it

[20:12:57]

Dagmar:

Oh wow

[20:13:00]

Dagmar:

I have to go kill someone now

[20:13:06]

stuarta:

can we watch

[20:13:32]

Dagmar:

Depends on if you can access the bot cams

[20:14:05]

Dagmar:

A certain group is failing to comprehend simple directives, like "divide the power load between the two power strips"

[20:14:34]

Dagmar:

They fussed that we asked them to power down their rack and fix this because the way they have it set up, if they blow that strip, their whole rack goes down.

[20:14:47]

PatrickDK:

dagmar, what good is that if both strips are into the same wall outlet :)

[20:14:55]

Dagmar:

So they powered it down, unplugged everything, and then plugged it into the *other* strip.

[20:15:10]

PatrickDK:

oh, racks

[20:15:24]

Dagmar:

PatrickDK: They're _not_. They're on dual redundant everything, with a pair of UPSes the size of a small hotell room.

[20:15:25]

PatrickDK:

I have 4 L6–30's going to my rack

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stuarta:

bunch of muppets

[20:15:53]

PatrickDK:

each of my L6–30's goes to a different panel

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Dagmar:

The "power strips" in question are smart CDU 24V three phase.

[20:17:45]

Dagmar:

I'm looking at the SNMP data trying to clean some reporting stuff up

[20:17:59]

PatrickDK:

24volt?

[20:18:05]

PatrickDK:

you mean 208v/220v

[20:18:15]

Dagmar:

No, that's just the model number

[20:18:21]

PatrickDK:

oh, hehe :)

[20:19:20]

Dagmar:

Imma be clicking this stuff to finish reconfiguring these all bloody night at this rate

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XLV:

http://www.wdminc.com/products/productdetails.php?prodID=475 seems expensive

[20:22:00]

XLV:

anyone in here has done 8.04 ubuntu x86 upgrade from 7.10? how did it faired? lots of whining in #ubuntu about broken installs

[20:22:34]

PatrickDK:

xlv, wouldn't that be an #ubuntu question?

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|Torg|:

XLV is it broke?

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XLV:

|Torg|, no, i am just about to do the upgrade..

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|Torg|:

if it aint broke......

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XLV:

PatrickDK, just gathering courage ;-)

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PatrickDK:

xlv, my freind just upgraded to it, but then he is an ubuntu developer

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gbee:

ping

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jams:

pong

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beandog:

goal!

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gbee:

heh, thought my router had struck again – full hour without anyone typing

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justinh:

oh I was typing like a trooper, just not here :P

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beandog:

heh

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justinh:

just bin feeming mythmovietimes

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stuarta:

i've been watching as many recordings as possible while sorting out the last years worth of paperwork

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beandog:

feeming?

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stuarta:

feeming wot makes myth look wicked

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AndyCap_:

makeing feemes?

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gbee:

anyone know the current state of the ATi proprietary driver? Wiki refers to a statement from ATi about them not supporting MythTV but the link is dead and I can't find any such statement on their website, meanwhile plenty of people are saying that it does work

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justinh:

ahem.. er.. I think I said I was done wit feeming. oops

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gbee:

justinh: I have no recollection of that

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stuarta:

maybe i should try it sometime

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justinh:

er.. maybe I said no more new feems. this isn't a new feem

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justinh:

:D

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justinh:

I was gonna update my dev box tonight but I'm short of an aerial lead so little point

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justinh:

need a crash course in mythui-101

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Fenix-Dark:

hi

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Fenix-Dark:

i just got a pchdtv 5500, you guys think you could help me set it up so i can use it with mythtv

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cesman:

install card in an available PCI slot

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Fenix-Dark:

done

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cesman:

hopefully the distro you are using has an updated kerne or V4l2/DVB drivers

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cesman:

run mythtv-setup (aahh stop the backend if running)

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Fenix-Dark:

i'm using 2.6.23

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Fenix-Dark:

2.6.23.12*

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cesman:

2. Capture Cards

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cesman:

New Capture card

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Fenix-Dark:

hrm?

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cesman:

car type should be dvb dtv

[22:04:39]

cesman:

hrm? what?

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Fenix-Dark:

what dvb module should i add in the kernel?

[22:05:18]

Fenix-Dark:

for the pchdtv 5500 what options do i need to add to the kernel for it to work?

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cesman:

the modules need for that card come with the kernel

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beandog:

I'm so glad its in the kernel now, so much eaiser

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Fenix-Dark:

i compiled my own kernel

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iamlindoro__:

If you're smart enough to compile your own kernel, you're probably smart enough to shuffle down to the linuxtv.org wiki and look up the module names yourself

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cesman:

that is certainly an option ;)

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|Torg|:

anyone can compile a kernel, it just takes patience

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iamlindoro__:

anyone can read a wiki, it just takes a fourth grade reading level

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cesman:

someone not everyone has...

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Fenix-Dark:

i did not know of this wiki

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cesman:

to both points...

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stuarta:

apparently it only takes 3rd grade level to write them

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iamlindoro__:

Or for the impatient in the crowd, the answers can be found by googling "hd-5500 modules" and hitting "I'm feeling loooooky"

[22:11:19]

cesman:

well Fenix-Dark, lets say you go to the wiki and get the details and come back ask if you have issues w/ MythTV

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|Torg|:

http://www.google.com/search?q=hd-5500+modules&btnG=Search

[22:11:33]

Fenix-Dark:

cesman, thats what i'm doing now

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cesman:

Fenix-Dark: #linuxtv for issues w/ V4L/DVB

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Fenix-Dark:

ok

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justinh:

WTF? (not safe for work) http://preview.tinyurl.com/5v4nb6

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cesman:

good thing I'm not at work...

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iamlindoro__:

Too bad I am! I do love the NSFW

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|Torg|:

I am, but my boss dosnt carew

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justinh:

little viral clip embedded in the page

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justinh:

turned out it's from mtv.com/furtv/

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justinh:

http://www.mtv.co.uk/channel/mtvuk/shows/fur_tv

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justinh:

wow. I miss my cable tv all of a sudden

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laga:

gbee: ok.

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TelnetManta:

iamlindoro__: Howd ya like the island last night?

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laga:

gbee: worky?

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gbee:

no, I'm going to run the driver uninstall script, (re)install the packages and reboot

[22:30:27]

gbee:

at first I tried the driver installer downloaded from ATi and then changed my mind and installed the packaged driver – think I might have ended up with mixed versions/libs

[22:30:55]

laga:

gbee: packaged driver is often better. ATI might have sane scripts, but i'd tend to trust the distro

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cesman:

_sane_ scripts are about all I like about ATi

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gbee:

I would have gone for something NVidia based except it was impossible to find a MATX board with on-board GPU and TV-out – they just don't exist

[22:34:17]

gbee:

svideo out anyway

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laga:

odd

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gbee:

at least this board had svideo and hdmi so I can use the existing TV and swap easily to HD in the near future

[22:35:27]

gbee:

but if it doesn't work ....

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laga:

gbee: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Main_Page – this wiki seems to have lots of information

[22:37:13]

gbee:

thanks

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jduggan:

gbee: how is that case

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gbee:

jduggan: I love it, best case I've ever bought, great build quality, design etc

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jduggan:

it looks nice

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gbee:

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jduggan:

im trying to find someone with a spare fanless PSU

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jduggan:

if i can get one, i'm certianly going to get it

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jduggan:

by the time id spend on a psu i'd probably just get an antec or something

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gbee:

I've already decided to buy a second one for myself

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stuarta:

which case is this?

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gbee:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135498

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newcase.png

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stuarta:

shiny

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xris:

quite

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xris:

I like my black one with the nice LCD screen on the front. except that my wife makes me keep it turned off because it's too bright.

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stuarta:

how depressing

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xris:

meh. I don't really care that much about the lcd. the quiet chassis was the more important bit

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jduggan:

gbee: is that a regular cdbay or is it laptop drive size

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jduggan:

difficult to tell from the angle

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gbee:

regular

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jduggan:

ah cool

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gbee:

they offer that case in black btw, I went with the silver to match the TV

[23:24:08]

gbee:

jduggan: I took a bunch of photos during the build and when I get the time I'll put them up on a webpage as a sort of "how to build a HD capable mythtv be/fe"

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gbee:

front on, so you can see the drive easier – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newcase2.png

[23:29:24]

gbee:

it comes with a replacement, brushed aluminium drive cover which sticks onto the tray with an adhesive strip after you remove the existing front

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: I have a case w/ a similar stick-on.... took forever to get the alignment just right

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jduggan:

is it ~19" wide?

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jduggan:

looks a bit narrower than regular av equipment

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: if you look closely I didn't get it right, adhesive was too quick setting and I wasn't careful enough ;)

[23:31:39]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: heh, you know how I feel then :)

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gbee:

there is a second strip supplied so I might try again

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, I'm not sure I've ever opened it since so it's probably a moot point

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gbee:

jduggan: 13 3/4" (35cm)

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jduggan:

ic

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jduggan:

will probably have to sit on the top of the stack then

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jduggan:

=]

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jsumners:

do playback filter rules not get applied every time the resolution changes?

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gbee:

laga: doing some reading, the OS radeonhd drivers don't have TV-out support just yet, but it's reckoned that it will be added in the coming weeks – since I need the radeonhd drivers OR the proprietary ones, I'll work on getting the latter to work

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TelnetManta:

any NA DVBS users in here for a quick question?

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jsumners:

gbee: which will be never

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laga:

jsumners: ?

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gbee:

jsumners: nah, they are moving along very quickly atm

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jsumners:

if you say so

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stuarta:

free or binary?

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gbee:

I do :)

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laga:

people are spreading FUD, i guess it's about time i got to bed :)

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gbee:

stuarta: both, the radeonhd drivers (being produced by Novell) are probably moving faster but they are a little behind the binary drivers in terms of functionality

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jsumners:

i am not. history shows that ATi's Linux drivers suck

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stuarta:

k

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laga:

"history".

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gbee:

jsumners: yeah, history

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gbee:

since they were bought by AMD that's all changing

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stuarta:

\o/

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FunkyELF:

hey guys, for some reason my thumbnails aren't working in mythweb. I have all the files under data/cache but they're all 0 bytes....any ideas?

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laga:

having said that, i'd still buy nvidia today because they work for me. the free driver isn't quite there yet

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xris:

FunkyELF: lots of reasons... depends on which version you're running.

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xris:

are the thumbnails on the backend also zero bytes?

[23:53:05]

xris:

could also be that you have firewall/selinux issues

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FunkyELF:

Error at /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/modules/status/handler.php, line 29:

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FunkyELF:

file_get_contents() [function.file-get-contents]: URL file-access is disabled in the server configuration

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FunkyELF:

thats what I just saw then I went to 'backend status' to see what version I was running

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xris:

FunkyELF: that file_get_contents thing is exactly the problem, though...

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xris:

just turn it on in your php,ini

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gbee:

laga: yeah, if I had a real choice I'd have gone with Nvidia because their drivers just work but ATi got my money because Nvidia based systems didn't have half the features

[23:55:16]

xris:

FunkyELF: did you install it via a distro package, or from source?

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stuarta:

v8.4 is out now

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jsumners:

gbee: such as?

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FunkyELF:

xris, gentoo

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xris:

weird. the apache config that ships with mythweb is supposed to turn that feature on. gentoo should be pulling in the defaults.

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FunkyELF:

xris, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythWeb

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FunkyELF:

xris, that is saying that I can enable it locally using a virtual host

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gbee:

jsumners: tv-out on integrated boards, hdmi wasn't too common either

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xris:

FunkyELF: or just turn on allow_url_fopen in php.ini

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FunkyELF:

xris, isn't that dangerous?

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jsumners:

gbee: so you are talking about integrated video. i thought you were talking about daughter cards

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gbee:

cards – yeah, plenty of those with tv-out and hdmi, but no integrated GPUs on Matx form-factor boards with svideo/component and hdmi (this board has all three)

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jsumners:

i had to return an nvidia northbridge system because it corrupted all data

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gbee:

when you've only got four slots on a matx board you don't want to waste one on a graphics card

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xris:

FunkyELF: I guess it technically can be, but not really... and it's needed in order to get thumbnails in mythweb.

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jsumners:

gbee: intel or amd?

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kambei:

Is anyone aware of how to make Pulse level (compress) the audio? I was told it could be done, but I can't find (or don't know how to find) the documentation on this feature.

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