Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, April 24th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

malocite: I'm not going to write a readme because everything anyone should need is *right in the script comments*

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iamlindoro:

If someone untars a files and can't find a file dumped into their current directory, they're beyond the help of a readme

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malocite:

:)

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malocite:

is this based on a similar script that used to scrape tvrage for stuff, but required all of the episodes to be under RECORDINGS by any chance?

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iamlindoro:

part of it uses a modified version of sadeff's script... has been modified to take the variables you set at the top of metacleanup.sh

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iamlindoro:

and to insert data in mythvideo DB tables

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iamlindoro:

*all* you have to set is the six values at the top of metacleanup.sh... do not make it more difficult than it is

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malocite:

it appears to be working :)

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iamlindoro:

now just confirm or deny each episode, and at the end it will generate thumbnails and lengths as well

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iamlindoro:

it will do no more than 300 at a time, so if you have more than 300 episodes, you will need to rerun it when it's done

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malocite:

should it be moving through on its own? Cause it hasn't asked me for input

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TelnetManta:

So this takes recordings and makes them available in mythvideo?

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malocite:

TelnetManta: No, it takes episodes that are in Mythvideo and gives them details

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iamlindoro:

No. It searches through your mythvideo directories for files w/o imdb numbers and searches for plot info online, formats show titles properly, etc... like for mythvideo DVD imports of individual shows, etc.

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iamlindoro:

malocite: You should be asked per-episode to confirm the data it will attempt to insert... if you don't see anything onscreen, you've done something wrong

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malocite:

I see lots of stuff on screen, moving through the files... but it hasn't asked me for anything

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malocite:

good thing I backed up my database like you advised in your post :)

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** iamlindoro wonders if he accidentally put the fully-automatic version online **

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malocite:

it seems to be only doing the thumbnail, I just checked on the front end, and the thumbnails are showing up, but thats it

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iamlindoro:

Then you jacked something up, accidentally renamed a script, or edited something too far down

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malocite:

iamlindoro: Hmm.... I just deleted the script, reinstalled it and ran it, only changed password, moviehome and posterhome and still doesn'task for my input, it just goes through making screenshots

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iamlindoro:

malocite: You are killing me here-- I keep coming back from my actual work to respond to you-- I *cannot* provide support for the script, I just don't have the time to do so, you are going to have to figure out what you've done wrong on your own-- it works ok here, and for many other people, so put some effort into it before falling back on me, please

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malocite:

iamlindoro: I figured it out btw, and it may be something you want to add as a comment to the script: Myth is installed on one drive, but the videos are on another, and its mapped. If you tell it to follow the LINK it only does the framegrab, when I change the directory to the ACTUAL name, not the linked name it works, never occurred to me to do that because I've used the link for everything else, but there you go :) So I did

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malocite:

follow your directions right, just forgot I was using a linked directory

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quink:

I have been unable to get the latest version of mythweb installed but i was curious about the flash playing ability that it has. Does it transcode the video on the fly and let you play while it is processing or does it process then make it available to play?

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Agrajag-:

on the fly

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quink:

how does it manage that? I mean what if you try and seek in the file?

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Agrajag-:

seeking doesn't work as far as i can tell

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quink:

Ah.

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quink:

wish i could get it working so i could see how it all fits together.

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Agrajag-:

works ok, doesn't seem to get the aspect ratio right for me though

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quink:

Do you know what player and encoder is used?

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quink:

i can't get mythweb itself working at all

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quink:

.20 worked fine. .21 no go

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JohnMahowald:

Hmm I use mythweb in .21

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JohnMahowald:

Mostly for listings and scheduling

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quink:

JohnMahowald: what'd you do to set it up?

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JohnMahowald:

Installed atrpms.net packages on Fedora

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Aval0n:

clever yous till around?

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clever:

Aval0n: yep

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

got my stuff all setup again

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Aval0n:

I was on a hardy beta

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Aval0n:

now i'm final

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Aval0n:

compiz goin with the cube and reflection

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Aval0n:

playing HD x264 content

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Aval0n:

nice and smooth

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Aval0n:

it's crazy how nice they've gotten that cube

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clever:

when your not using an effects compiz uses bearly any power

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quink:

hell if one of you would be willin to help me figure out my problem that'd be awesome

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quink:

reinstalling it now from scratch

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Aval0n:

;)

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clever:

using compiz ive eben able to track my xv problem down some

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clever:

i put a transparent window over mythfrontend

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clever:

it damaged the color key enough that i could clearly see the dark blue

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Aval0n:

nice

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clever:

but when i moved focus and caused my xv problem

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clever:

the entire mythfrontend went black

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Aval0n:

I like being able to multitask while TV is playing

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clever:

so the problem is something is drawing solid black in the frontend

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clever:

causing it to no longer contain the color key

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Aval0n:

odd

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

its not compiz either

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clever:

happens under metacity also

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clever:

also metacity changes focus on mouse differently

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clever:

so im also able to focus the desktop with it

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clever:

causing it to happen more/less often depending on whats open

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Aval0n:

what other cool stuff can you do with compiz

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Aval0n:

I saw some video of a space background while the cube was on

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Aval0n:

that looked cool

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clever:

ive turned on about 3 of the on beep things

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clever:

the active window will jiggle

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Aval0n:

yeah

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clever:

the entire screen will dim then fade to normal

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Aval0n:

but I never have beeps

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clever:

and the tidal wave from the titlebar

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Aval0n:

I'm not even sure when that would happen...

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clever:

irssi sends out a bel character

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Aval0n:

what is irssi

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clever:

'tput bel' in a terminal can be usefull to test it

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Aval0n:

sorr

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clever:

irssi is an irc client:P

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Aval0n:

ahh

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Aval0n:

I just use bitchx

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clever:

ive got irssi in screen over ssh

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Aval0n:

cool

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clever:

the fun part

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clever:

my palm based phone

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clever:

+ the pssh client

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clever:

now i can ssh into the desktop from anywhere

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clever:

and screen -x my way into irssi

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clever:

i can also get some access to mythtv from the phone

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clever:

ssh access to mysql and df -h

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clever:

and it also has a vnc client

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clever:

wheres that cord...

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clever:

ive used the palm vnc over ppp(thru usb serial) to get into winblows

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clever:

but i could setup a Xvnc4 server with a frontend

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clever:

at the same res as the phone even

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clever:

i just need to remember how to connect thru bluetooth for this

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Aval0n:

nice

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clever:

it would be simpler thru usb

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clever:

which is just emulating a serial port

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clever:

but id need to find that cord

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clever:

ive allready got the usb stick for bt nearby

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Aval0n:

clever

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Aval0n:

does compiz do the burning windows too?

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

its one of the open/close animations

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clever:

within ccsm you can tweak it to allways use that

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clever:

ive got it on random animation atm

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clever:

for nearly everything

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clever:

so every time i open/close a window it does something different

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Aval0n:

ahh cool

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clever:

only big problem is the delay when im trying to do something in ff real fast

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clever:

thats opening and closing windows alot

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clever:

but from the layout of ccsm i should be able to make rules

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clever:

so certain window types/titles get different open/close animations

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clever:

right now even tooltip's and menu's are animated

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clever:

as they appear and disapear

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Aval0n:

;)

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Aval0n:

freaked my wife out

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Aval0n:

she was just watching tv and I used the wireless kb with trackpad

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Aval0n:

and rotated the cube

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

was weird for her to see the TV show detach from the screen like that

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clever:

lol

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clever:

also

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clever:

when you grab a window and move it fast

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clever:

it bends and warps

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

saw that

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clever:

ive also turned a scale on resize thing on

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clever:

so when i make a window bigger

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Aval0n:

I saw on a video where you can set an image for the background during cube

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clever:

it stretches the contents

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clever:

like a zoom

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Aval0n:

but it makes it look like a complete surrounding image

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Aval0n:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYgV2GlsufI&feature=related

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Aval0n:

what does that show for you?

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Aval0n:

if it's the matrix one watch it

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clever:

windowskey+mouse wheel is also usefull

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Aval0n:

you'll see what I mean by 3d background

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clever:

something ive heard

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clever:

you can make any program use the 'root' window

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clever:

which is just the desktop bg

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clever:

and thru that you can make ANYTHING as your background

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clever:

you could probly turn a matrix screensaver into a matrix desktop wallpaper thru that

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clever:

also

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clever:

transparent is fun with xv

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clever:

i can see thru the 'tv' window and read irc

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clever:

even with mild transparent the moving images help to let you focus thru them

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clever:

since its moving any odd colors over the text that make it hard to read

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clever:

will move off

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clever:

Aval0n: whoa, the 'inside cube' option(in 'desktop cube')

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clever:

:O

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clever:

ive now made the desktop transparent

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clever:

i can see the other sides of the cube

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clever:

ive also now got a constant dim to the entire screen

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clever:

screwing the color key up even when not animating

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clever:

:O

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clever:

when i look at the back side of a cube face

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clever:

i can see the windows in reverse stacking order

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clever:

Aval0n: the thing in the oyutube looks like the skydome

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee... only 4–1/4 more DAYS before my raid has finished reshaping...

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Computer_Czar:

Wow!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Computer_Czar, That's what happens when you add 3 500GB drives to your raid5... ;-) Going from 960GB – ~2.4TB... ;-)

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Computer_Czar:

I've got 4 500GB in mine ... but I started that way

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** J-e-f-f-A remembers his first hard drive — 10MB... ;-) **

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Computer_Czar:

I remember how much I paid ... that is more frightening ...

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, what filesystem?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Computer_Czar, I started with 3x500's on my previous backend. When the OS went south, I built a new backend with 2 200's mirrored for the OS, and 3 new 500's for the data. I just added the 3 old ones to the new raid...

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, JFS.

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kormoc:

heh, nice

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, I'ts only getting about 1.5MB/sec reshape speed...

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kormoc:

Found out a fun fact about xfs

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kormoc:

that seems a bit low

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russK:

Is there a way to increase the timeout for "maximum execution time" of mythweb? ... I'm trying to do "Listings" but it times out

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, I figure it's got something to do with having to reshape from 3 drives to 6....

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kormoc:

russK, set the timeout in your php.ini

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** jamesd__ is upgrading his recording storage disk to 750GB, should give me over 100hours of HD recording time... **

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, still seems s bit abnormal, I'd expect at least 10 mb/s

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Humm... what's the min/max files again? I'll check them...

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, but yeah, fun fact. With the default block size of xfs (4k) xfs_repair uses 1 gig of ram for every 38 gigs of used drive space

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Ouch!

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, My raid5 is 256k chunk size...

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_*

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Aye, that's where they are... thanks...

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Well, they're set to 200000 and 1000 ...

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kormoc:

huh, guess it is chunking away. How busy is the cpu? (might be cpu limited)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Not cpu bound... Athon 64 x2 4800 — both cores around 96% idle...

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kormoc:

strange

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, md0_reshape is niced to -5...

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kormoc:

I think it would have been faster to do one at a time at that speed

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Yeah, hindsight is 20/20 though... ;-) Too late now! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Do you think changing it from -5 to -1 would help, and not cause any other issues?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, nah, -5 is more grabby then -1

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, I'd umount it if I was you, that should speed it up, but might not be noticeable

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Yeah, but then I'd have to bring myth down.... So that's a contributing factor too – although it's not recording at the moment...

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** kormoc nods **

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dan0225:

total ubuntu newb here. I am trying to install mythbuntu from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Guts . . . tend_Desktop but it leeps telling me it can't find mythbuntu-desktop

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twinkiman:

question: Has anybody ever gotten live365.com to work with mythstream?

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** J-e-f-f-A hasn't even setup mythstream... ;-) **

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iamlindoro_:

I think he just plans to repeat himself ever few hours until someone has... His question appears four times in my log... would think the consistent silence would indicate a "no."

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twinkiman:

it's more of, I know that different people pay attention at different times due to life and times zones

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twinkiman:

that was probably my last time to ask for a while

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_ Hey, how's it going... ;-) still working on LCDd... ;-) Raid needs 4+ more days to reshape with myth running, or just shy of 3 days without it running... I think I'll keep myth running... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A likes the fairly new program "Master Blasters" ... ;-) **

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** J-e-f-f-A just realized it's not that new... seems it's been around since 2005, and it's like 2008 now.. ;-) **

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** justinh wonders whatever became of 'mythcinema' **

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nevyn:

mythcinema?

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justinh:

yeah a 'new plugin'

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justinh:

aaaand I know what's up with the naughty google movies script for uk peeps to use with the mythmovies plugin now

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justinh:

<Name>Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who!</Name> – AFAIK that's not valid

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justinh:

it's the apostrophe to blame I think.. should be &apos

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jduggan:

heh

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justinh:

not that the script posted to the ML works anymore though

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justinh:

be ace if I could find a source which allows scraping

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justinh:

wonder if there are any sites that provide an rss feed of local movie times – no need to scrape then!

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justinh:

hmm the beeb have a local film times search gadget

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justinh:

can't see anything in their T&Cs prohibiting scraping either

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justinh:

heh apart from them preventing wget

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justinh:

I'll take that as a smacked wrist then

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jduggan:

you can spoof the user-agent, would probably get around it

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justinh:

already been poo-pooed as a valid method on the ML for other things though

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justinh:

wow. the unofficial sagetv plugin knows how to do it

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justinh:

grabs a list of films, posters, where & when they're on.. you select a movie by its poster image & it tells you when & where

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justinh:

good to work the other way too though so you can decide what to see nearer you or at a certain time

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justinh:

I think I found my next project

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justinh:

oops forgot about mythcinema for a sec

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justinh:

derrrrr

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justinh:

isn't it just great when somebody posts to the ML saying "hey great I fixed that thing" but they don't say what they did to fix it

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beandog:

heh

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beandog:

I hate it when that happens

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justinh:

hate fixing regex when I dunno wtf I'm doing

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beandog:

whats the problem

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justinh:

I'm making progress, albeit slowly

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beandog:

ok

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beandog:

what pattern are you trying to match

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justinh:

need the text inside <br>1hr 47min – Rated

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justinh:

$movie =~ m/<br \/>(.*) – Rated/) is the current regex

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justinh:

heh only one more thing to fix then it's done :)

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justinh:

and done

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beandog:

ok

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justinh:

time to plug it in & give it a try

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justinh:

yay it works

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justinh:

now.. should I keep the fixed script all to myself like that guy on the list? :P

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beandog:

heh

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justinh:

it's here anyway: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/googlemovies_pl.txt

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justinh:

oh noes teh big evil g00g0ls might come after me for lost revenues!

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justinh:

I wonder what the official stance on just downloading ad content in web scrapers would be – the advertisers would be none the wiser

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emja:

i'm doing some development of my own menu theme but having trouble finding info re the syntax. can someone please point me to a reasonable menu editing guide/howto? if not, how do I execute the internal player from a custom menu, presumably via the JUMP menu directive?

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menu_the . . . opment_guide

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justinh:

<action>EXEC mythtv $somefilename</action> in a button entry

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emja:

justinh: yep, thanks. I've read through all of that, but it is lacking in detail

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emja:

oh?

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justinh:

no it's not lacking any detail at all

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emja:

note the last line; 'JUMP - ???'

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emja:

that's kind of missing some detail. ;-)

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justinh:

you don't want to JUMP you want to EXEC

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emja:

ok. that helps. many thanks

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emja:

trying now

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justinh:

EXEC == execute

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** emja nods **

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toad_:

how do i make myth transcode jobs at a nice level greater than 7 ? on both medium and low it uses nice 7, and i need it to be at least 10 ... if i set the encode command to "nice mythtranscode", i get errors about not having the right command line options and it doesn't work

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emja:

justinh: many thanks. it works, of course. ;-)

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justinh:

np :)

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emja:

justinh: I've spent the past hour or two trying to work this one out. ahh well.

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toad_:

"Must specify -i OR -c AND -s options!"

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toad_:

that's what i get, and mythtranscode exits

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toad_:

how do i make myth transcode jobs at a nice level greater than 7 ? on both medium and low it uses nice 7, and i need it to be at least 10 ... if i set the encode command to "nice mythtranscode", i get errors about not having the right command line options and it doesn't work

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** toad_ sorry for repeating himself, won't ask again for a long time :) **

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toad_:

but i cut across a conversation last time so may have been missed

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toad_:

hmmm "nice -n15 — mythtranscode" doesn't work either

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TrendKi||:

Hello guys

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TrendKi||:

I've got a quick question...I'm trying to connect my dvd player through composite into my capture card and use mythtv, however I have no clue what channel settings to use for mythtv..anyone have an idea please?

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justinh:

er..

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toad_:

i've written a script /usr/local/bin/mythtranscode and told myth to use that ... every time it is invoked it apparently is passed no arguments

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toad_:

however, if myth is using the real mythtranscode, it does pass it arguments

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toad_:

WTF?

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toad_:

at this rate i'm gonna have to put in a one-a-minute cron job to renice 17 -p `pgrep mythtranscode`

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toad_:

but that's incredibly ugly, surely there is a better way?

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** toad_ does that ... but i still say it's hideous **

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toad_:

and yes i did try setting cpu usage to low

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toad_:

the only thing i haven't tried is changing the path so that myth calls my script and doesn't realise it's not the real thing ... but i bet it would detect that and not give that any arguments either ...

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dustybin:

13:46:48 up 11 days, 20:46, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.11, 0.09

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dustybin:

Linux server 2.6.24-1–686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 27 17:45:04 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

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dustybin:

^^^ Nova-T 500 working rock solid

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toad_:

cool!

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dustybin:

no backend restarts, all tuners working fine

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dustybin:

usb autosuspend is turned off, my usb bus is on 24.7

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ron1n:

hello

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ron1n:

If I had a mythtv HTPC configured with a tv tuner card to capture content via Cable, could I view that content on another mythtv frontend over LAN or even internet?

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justinh:

over the lan would be easy

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justinh:

not over the internet though

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ron1n:

essentially, I am looking for SlingBox like functionality for live tv, is mythtv capable of this?

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justinh:

no

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ron1n:

what about recorded content

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justinh:

kind of

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ron1n:

can I access an offsite library of sorts?

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justinh:

mythweb can stream some kinds of recorded content over an internet connection

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justinh:

by that I mean mpeg2 recordings

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ron1n:

awesome, does that support HD content?

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justinh:

not sure

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ron1n:

okay

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justinh:

quality is only about youtube quality anyway – but then again so is what slingbox does

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ron1n:

well I have a SlingBox HD and I can stream HD content where ever I am

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ron1n:

and wine supports the SlingPlayer

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justinh:

only it's not really HD

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JohnMahowald:

Using a remote frontend on a LAN requires much more bandwith even for SD content

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Nik_Doof:

wads of upstream bandwidth required :)

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ron1n:

I plan on viewing this with an Asus EEE PC so I guess HD shouldn't even be a question lol

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justinh:

can that junk even play video?

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ron1n:

Could I use mythtv as a DVR to record live content onto my backend, and share that with several frontends?

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ron1n:

of course, its a 900mghz UMPC

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justinh:

not that you'd have enough bandwidth for even SDTV over the internet

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ron1n:

1GB of ram, and integrated intel graphics with shared video memory

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Nik_Doof:

justinh: i run 0.21 frontend on mine, runs very well

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justinh:

*** IN THEORY ***

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justinh:

not big on all that placeshifting bullshit anyway

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ron1n:

mythweb would be sub-SD standared?

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justinh:

rather not watch anything at all if it's not full quality

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Nik_Doof:

ron1n: "youtube" quality

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justinh:

ron1n: how fat is your upload pipe?

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ron1n:

my cable company tells me 768kb/s but at best 560kb/s

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justinh:

rofl

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Nik_Doof:

crappy flv it is

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justinh:

decent quality SDTV is like 2Mbits/sec

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ron1n:

oh wow

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ron1n:

time to brib Verizon to run some fiber for me

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justinh:

HDTV... minimum 10Mbits/sec

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ron1n:

wired LAN shouldn't be to difficult though, as long as I'm not running a cable to china or going through 1024 switches

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justinh:

wired 100mbit will be fine for the majority of systems

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ron1n:

alright, I think most of my network is equipped with 10/100/1000 actually. And even a simple PCI card can fix it if its not

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justinh:

cross 10/ off the list. no dice there

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ron1n:

mhmm

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ron1n:

wireless G should even suffice actually, I might even do that at 56mb/s

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justinh:

rofl

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justinh:

good luck!

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Nik_Doof:

dont bother

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justinh:

the speedo on my car goes up to 130mph

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Nik_Doof:

my eeepc works over wifi, but the OSD is laggy as hell

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justinh:

wouldn't bet my house on it being able to reach that speed :P

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Nik_Doof:

on wired its fine

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ron1n:

lol alright, I'll stick with wired then

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justinh:

YMMV. if it works, great. if not don't come crying

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ron1n:

eh I know I know, I'm use to my projects getting some poor mileage

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ron1n:

I'm a slackware user =p

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gbee:

well that pretty much sucks – KDE 4.0.3 is a crippled release with half the applications missing, why on earth did they come out of beta before they were actually ready?

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justinh:

having met one of their main men I think I know :P

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** justinh observes that mythmovies needs a British translation **

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gbee:

justinh: it does, but I didn't bother because we don't have a British listings source for it yet (well there is the illegal Google one)

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openWeb:

hi everybody... i searched the archive but i think my question ist too specific... can anyone halp me with a skystar2/astra/germany/mythtv.0.20.1 problem (perhaps same setup)....

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justinh:

also needs the -wide ui file fixed – you can't have an area 10000000000 pixels wide!

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justinh:

gbee: I'll do one anyway :)

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gbee:

:)

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justinh:

gbee: BBC site has film searchy searchy – their T&Cs don't suggest scraping is prohibited but they disallow wget

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Nik_Doof:

don't they have that data available via backstage?

[14:01:44]

justinh:

local film listings?

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gbee:

interesting

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justinh:

good point – I did think of looking at that

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janneg:

openWeb: is that a new skystar2?

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janneg:

openWeb: you might want to join #mythtv-de

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gbee:

never considered the BBC, but I should have done

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justinh:

easy to fake the user agent but I thought that'd be considered naughty

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janneg:

gbee: KDE is too big, you can't wait until every application is ported

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Nik_Doof:

meh all seems a tad useless now, most of the interesting stuff have stopped

[14:04:23]

justinh:

be better if more linux apps were more desktop env agnostic

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gbee:

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gbee:

janneg: it's missing the entire communications suite (kmail, knode, kontact) etc, the office suite and kdevelop – that just leaves the window manager, a handful of utilities and games – I think they could have stayed in beta at least until those were ready

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janneg:

koffice and kdevelop have a different development cycle

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openWeb:

gbee: kopete is updated ;-) and imho koffice never was core-part of the kde-environment...

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** gbee shrugs **

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gbee:

not going to change my mind, when I next see Aaron he'll get an earfull ;)

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openWeb:

gbee: i just have kde 4.0.3 for testing, my working-environment still is 3.5.9 ;-)

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openWeb:

i hate the "gadget-principle"... even icons are gadget... :-(

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justinh:

yeah well I hope he falls into a big hole with linuxmce :)

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gbee:

fact is that most distros were shipping Kdevelop4, Kdepim4 and Koffice2 for two years before the release of 4.0.3 – but since those aren't officially part of 4.0.3 you can't get packages anymore – wtf?

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justinh:

hmm yahoo seem to not mind people scripting access to their own data

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justinh:

maybe there are provisos like you have to say where the data comes from – but that'd be easy

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janneg:

gbee: no, that's not true. even if you exagerate. koffice2 and kdevelop4 weren't useable 10 months ago

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gbee:

janneg: must be remembering it wrong then, I know Mandriva were shipping a KDE4 preview from their 2007 release (last 2006) and that kdevelop4/koffice2 were in the 2007.1 release (main repos), but I probably assumed they were there from the start in 2007.0 – I wasn't interested in running Kdevelop4 until we moved Myth to QT4 and I had no reason for the qt3-devel libs anymore

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gbee:

but the point was that you now can't get Kdevelop4 packages even though they were in the main repos of distributions like Mandriva last year

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bl4d3:

hi all

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bl4d3:

my mythbox is an opensuse 10.2 with mythtv installed

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bl4d3:

i would like to clone the emtire hd even the mbr on a new hd

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bl4d3:

wich software i need pls ?

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justinh:

dd

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bl4d3:

dd justin ?

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justinh:

that's what I said

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justinh:

dd

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bl4d3:

ho tu use it, there is something lik norton ghost for linux ?

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Nik_Doof:

man dd, or google on usage. its quick and simple to use

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justinh:

dd if=/dev/first-disk of=/dev/second-disk

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bl4d3:

with graphics interface, i'm newbie

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bl4d3:

i need e live distro to do that ?

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bl4d3:

dd if=/dev/first-disk of=/dev/second-disk

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justinh:

you can do that from a live system

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bl4d3:

not for the same hd that i'm cloning

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justinh:

obviously power it down to fit the other hdd that you'll be copying to of course

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bl4d3:

on usb case is good for that ?

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janneg:

gbee: I think you're lucky that you didn't tried them then. I would guess that they were unuseable

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justinh:

hell you really don't have a clue do you?. www.g4l.org it doesn't have a graphical interface though!

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bl4d3:

g4l ok i'll check it out

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justinh:

oops.. http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l/

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justinh:

it's harder to use than dd though!!!!

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justinh:

easier to screw it up

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bl4d3:

is it a live cd ?

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Nik_Doof:

wouldn't it be better to do it from a livecd? as the filesystem will still be active while cloning

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bl4d3:

thx nick

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bl4d3:

nik

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justinh:

get the source &* destination messed about .. oooo dear LOL

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bl4d3:

g4l.org doesn't exit anymore

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justinh:

http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l/

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** justinh drowns some more kittens **

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bl4d3:

ok i'm on it

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justinh:

hmm no bbc backstage feeds for anything _useful_

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bl4d3:

the destinatio hd must be of the same size ?

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justinh:

at least the same size

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bl4d3:

or major

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bl4d3:

max

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bl4d3:

sorry for my english

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justinh:

the 2nd disk must be the same size of bigger

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justinh:

*or bigger

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bl4d3:

bigge yeah hehehe

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bl4d3:

bigger

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justinh:

easier & less hassle to dd

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bl4d3:

yes but this command do what i need ? dd if=/dev/first-disk of=/dev/second-disk

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justinh:

maybe get a grown-up to help you

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bl4d3:

but 2 hd of the same size true

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bl4d3:

ok i think g4l is less difficult

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justinh:

believe me it isn't less difficult. it's very easy to fuck it up

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justinh:

VERY EASY

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iamlindoro:

fear of a single command line strikes again

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bl4d3:

ok

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bl4d3:

i will use that G4l

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bl4d3:

thx justin

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justinh:

much easier to mess it up than norton ghost

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bl4d3:

thx for all

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** justinh will not feel responsible for indirectly trashing a noob's HDD **

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iamlindoro:

bl4d3: He suggests you use *dd*

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iamlindoro:

not g4l

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iamlindoro:

I laso suggest dd

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justinh:

boot with a live cd

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iamlindoro:

also

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Nik_Doof:

+1 dd

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justinh:

substitute /dev/first-disk with the actual device node of the first disk

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bl4d3:

of course

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bl4d3:

exemple: dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/sda

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justinh:

yups

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bl4d3:

but two hd of the same size

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justinh:

if the output disk is smaller there may be problems ;)

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justinh:

the destination disk can be bigger

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bl4d3:

of cours :)

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bl4d3:

i can't organize the space of the secodn hd

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bl4d3:

with dd

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

but it's faster than file copying in theory

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bl4d3:

this i can do with a live distro after the clone

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justinh:

if the partition supports changing size you can

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bl4d3:

for example gparted

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justinh:

failing that you can always make a new partition in the unused space

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bl4d3:

and enlarge the partition

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bl4d3:

i would like enlarge the partition

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bl4d3:

i have a 320gb

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bl4d3:

and my next hd will be 500gb

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bl4d3:

so my video folder will be more large then now

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justinh:

some partition types cannot be grown

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bl4d3:

XFS ??

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bl4d3:

i have ext3 for OS and XFS for video record

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justinh:

I can never remember which types can be grown

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bl4d3:

ok that's all thx very much justin

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bl4d3:

i'll make you know

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jduggan:

please do make us know

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bl4d3:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Wow, your car can't go up to 130mph? My speedo only goes up to 120, and I've done 140 in my car.. ;-) 1973 Chevelle ;-)

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: well, on my imaginary wireless setup at home, I got speeds in excess of 1TB/millsec

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justinh:

that's a theoretical speed of over 1PB/sec!

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, hehe ;-)

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janneg:

hi mkrufky

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justinh:

the only problem is, the whole of the internet goes through it, leaving me with a paltry 10Kb/sec

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mkrufky:

hi,. janneg

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, ... But I *really* have done 140 in my car... About half a dozen times too. Quite a rush! Especially when you're winning against a little honda with nitrous, and I don't have any NO2 or blower or anything... ;-) Just raw, American V8 power... (but I digress... ;-) )

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mkrufky:

you're talking KM, right?

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mkrufky:

not miles

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justinh:

I once did 140mph in a hire car. almost had kittens when I looked at the speedo

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mkrufky:

oof

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J-e-f-f-A:

mkrufky, Nope!!!!!! hehe;-)

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** mkrufky stands corrected **

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justinh:

if I'd been caught doing that speed I might've just got back on the road a couple of years ago

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J-e-f-f-A:

yeah, me too... Anything over 85 can be considered reckless driving here in the US...

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justinh:

anyway it's all about the mpg now, not mph :D

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bl4d3:

just a question about nuvexport

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bl4d3:

it's the only application that can do conversion of mythtv recordings ?

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justinh:

god no. there are user job scripts too

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bl4d3:

user job ?

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bl4d3:

can you explain me pls

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justinh:

see mythtv.org/wiki/

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bl4d3:

you're talking about transcoding in mythtv ?

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justinh:

no I'm talking about converting mythtv recordings to other formats

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bl4d3:

with an external application ?

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justinh:

YES

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bl4d3:

or script ?

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justinh:

see the wiki and search

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bl4d3:

gimme a tip pls

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** justinh looks for his calm **

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bl4d3:

:D

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justinh:

look in the wiki and search for USER JOBS

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bl4d3:

ok thx

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justinh:

I hope George Lucas sues each & every person who uses that without the proper trademark statement :P

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Nik_Doof:

wuh?

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justinh:

THX

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justinh:

heh tempting to reply to the win32 build debate on the -dev list with my 2p worth. 'never useful' sounds about right. as in – most people don't want it

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bl4d3:

justin pls i'm reading about user job and nuv export

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bl4d3:

i have configured nuvexportrc

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justinh:

I know precisely this much about nuvexport: it exists

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bl4d3:

my job must be only nuvexport-xvid --input="%FILE%"

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sshirley:

Hi all! I have a question about recording to a MythTV box via firewire from a STB. If I use the HDTV for viewing live TV (as opposed to my myth box), can I use the same STB to watch TV on my HDTV via HDMI or COAX plus record to the MythTV box via firewire (at the same time that is)? Or do I need a dedicated STB?

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bl4d3:

or i'v to inserte any parameter

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bl4d3:

for nuvexport

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justinh:

sshirley: AFAIK the STB carries on regardless & can be watched normally

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sshirley:

justinh: but let's say 2 different channels?

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iamlindoro__:

firewire only dumps out what's currently being watched, you can't have two at once

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justinh:

sshirley: you can't do that

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sshirley:

Thats what I thought

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sshirley:

So if I want to watch TV and record different channels, I need 2 STBs.

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

or a dusl tuner STB with multiple firewire outs

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justinh:

*dual

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justinh:

they allegedly exist

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sshirley:

How much is a STB if I purchased one myself and didnt rent from the cable company?

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justinh:

I don't think you can do that

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iamlindoro__:

forget that idea if you live in the US

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sshirley:

BTW, I am gonna have to fight like hell to get that firewire port enabled, aren't I?

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justinh:

not necessarily

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sshirley:

I'm in the US

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sshirley:

Rhode Island

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iamlindoro__:

Then you can't buy one of your own

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sshirley:

Cox Communications is the cable company

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sshirley:

Why isn't that possible?

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Nik_Doof:

i wish they did firewire enabled stbs over here

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Nik_Doof:

would be alot easier

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iamlindoro__:

Because US cable companies will only activate their own boxes, you can't bring your own

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justinh:

Nik_Doof: nah they're gonna do component-out disabling soon :D

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bl4d3:

commercial flag works on a SD Channel.. not HD ?

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Nik_Doof:

what on V+ boxes?

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bl4d3:

720x576

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justinh:

Nik_Doof: a V+ box? for ONE HD channel? ROFLMAO

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Nik_Doof:

oh dont forget the "world of wonder" of VOD :)

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bl4d3:

justin pls: commercial flag works on a SD Channel.. not HD ? 720x576

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justinh:

fucking hell I am not your personal slave bl4d3

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sshirley:

So it's not a huge hassle to get the cable company to enable that port? Like I said, I guess I am going to be renting two STBs

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justinh:

ask questions to the channel

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bl4d3:

ok sorry

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bl4d3:

you're right

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sshirley:

Nik_Doof: Where is 'over here'?

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bl4d3:

i'm newbie that's all

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bl4d3:

no prob

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Nik_Doof:

sorry, the good ol monopoly ridden UK

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justinh:

UK

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kslater:

bl4d3: commercial flag works on SD or HD

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bl4d3:

thc kslater

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bl4d3:

thxc

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justinh:

commercial flagging can work on HD as well as SD TV recordings. YMMV

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sshirley:

Nik_Doof: so they won't enable firwire there?

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justinh:

sshirley: over Murdoch's dead body they will!

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kslater:

YMMV on all commercial flagging

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kslater:

regardless of capture resolution

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sshirley:

Nik_Doof: The FCC (Federal Communications Commission) was nice enough to pass a law saying the cable companies are required to enable that port if we ask them to. But they don't by default.

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justinh:

sshirley: they just set about disabling component outputs on all their HD boxes

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bl4d3:

what mean YMMV sprry

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bl4d3:

kslater

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J-e-f-f-A:

commercial flagging works fine on both here...

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kslater:

Your Mileage May Vary

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kslater:

in other words, it may or may not flag correctly.

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bl4d3:

ok thx

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sshirley:

That sucks! The UK is getting to be worse than us about citizens rights

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iamlindoro__:

sshirley, They have to provide a box with an active firewire port, but the only thing they have to give you via firewire is local channels, not all that you pay for-- most people get very very little via firewire

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kslater:

for me it works pretty darn well regardless

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bl4d3:

i've nevere used on Italian DVB Channels

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bl4d3:

never

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bl4d3:

i will try

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J-e-f-f-A:

sshirley, Well, I've got Satellite, and they're not legally required to have firewire output, neither is FiOS, so I'm sunk, stuck with only Over-the-air HD from Boston..

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sshirley:

iamlindoro: Really??? That REALLY sucks! I thought the job of the STB was to decode and it output everything via the coax or firewire.

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sshirley:

iamlindoro: Where do you live? The US?

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bl4d3:

kslater wich method u use for flag ?

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iamlindoro__:

sshirley, Yep, really... a very very few people get everything, but most people, especially on the east coast, tend to get somewhere between nothing and network TV only

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bl4d3:

all methods ?

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iamlindoro__:

yes, I live in the US

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sshirley:

Jeffa: I am in RI.

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J-e-f-f-A:

sshirley, Even though they're required to output it via firewire, it doesn't have to be 'in the clear' — you'll most likely find that all but the local channels are encrypted over the firewire, but again YMMV...

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iamlindoro__:

Plus Cox is known for giving no more than they have to-- have never heard of a cox customer getting more than network TV via firewire, myself

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J-e-f-f-A:

sshirley, And in some cases, they've even encrypted the locals, even though it's not legal for them to do that...

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sshirley:

That really sucks

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sshirley:

So if I want to record, I am better off sticking with SD cable :-)

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sshirley:

and seeing a shitty picture

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J-e-f-f-A:

sshirley, You'd still be able to take analog output, and feed that into a tuner on your system, but for HD that blows, as it'd just be getting down-converted to 720x480...

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iamlindoro__:

or waiting on a Hauppauge HD-PVR

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justinh:

assuming the cablecos keep the component outputs enabled :D

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justinh:

:D :D :D :D

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justinh:

I'm full of happy happy joy joy today I tells ya

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sshirley:

Isn't Hauppauge releasing one soon?

[15:22:38]

justinh:

yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yes – iamlindoro__ has one on order... ;-)

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** iamlindoro__ sometimes wonders why he types at all, given american literacy levels **

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justinh:

pray for the cable companies keeping component outputs alive :)

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, My personal hunch is that the FCC will keep them from turning it off, but I have looked into fancy methods of converting HDMI over to component as a backup

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sshirley:

Are we talking the http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html?

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janneg:

yes

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: no HDCP?

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Hey, is component output over there encoded as Y-Pb-Pr, just like here, or is it R-G-B like scart?

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justinh:

HDCP has been nullifimied

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, Yeah, would have to use one of the little HDCP ctrippers as well-- not a cheap solution, but doable

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sshirley:

When is the release date? Cost?

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iamlindoro__:

er strippers

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: YPbPr

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gbee:

justinh: ah, hadn't heard that

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iamlindoro__:

sshirley, READ the page, maybe?

[15:25:24]

justinh:

expensive though gbee & subject to key revocation

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justinh:

unless they got the masters.. that'd be a coup

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gbee:

yeah, but it's a start

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sshirley:

Righto. Impatient. :-)

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justinh:

heh but it's ILLEGAL

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gbee:

so is speeding ;)

[15:26:15]

justinh:

pain of extradition & internment :P

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iamlindoro__:

anyway, this is a good start, HDPC aside: http://www.hometech.com/video/dvicomponent.html#dvicomponent

[15:26:44]

iamlindoro__:

when and if necessary

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justinh:

due to your actions, the movie industry lost $RANDOM ^ $RANDOM2 dollars last year alone! GUILTY!

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sshirley:

That's expensive. That's also 1 per STB, right?

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gbee:

it's one of those stupid laws – intended to prevent piracy ... except there are already laws against piracy ...

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iamlindoro__:

and if that doesn't work, there's a more expensive solution (as that component appears tied to certain graphics cards)

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gbee:

they'll never go after people just timeshifting their TV

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J-e-f-f-A:

sshirley, Yes, but unless your box has firewire out that's not encrypted, it's your only option to get non-OTA channels into your myth box...

[15:28:10]

justinh:

they'll go after the people making the boxes that allow people to timeshift their TV

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justinh:

and besides, they'll ask "what's wrong with the company's own DVR?

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sshirley:

Wow. That blows. :-)

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justinh:

the answer being.. nothing... when it works

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justinh:

;)

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justinh:

you know how before video recording, if you wanted to watch I Love Lucy you had to be in front of a TV at a certain time?

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sshirley:

I guess I will try the STB's firewire first and see what happens (how many channels I get). Then if it's bad then I'll get a second STB plus this HD-PVR.

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justinh:

kind of on the broadcaster's & advertiser's terms really

[15:29:47]

justinh:

well, we're going back to that

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justinh:

all this viewer choice is hitting revenues dontcha know!

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sshirley:

I hate corporate America :-)

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justinh:

and we all hate ad breaks but don't want to pay

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justinh:

funnily enough there just aren't enough diet Coke & Mentos videos on youtube to satisfy me :P

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iamlindoro__:

For you UK folks w/ no Component (and us when they start using the ICT) this kind of thing is what I have in mind: http://www.av-sales.co.uk/HDMI-VGA-CONVERTER-139-.htm

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justinh:

hdmi-VGA, then VGA-component? eew

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J-e-f-f-A:

sshirley, If you can live with just the locals in HD, just get a PCTV HD5500 PCI tuner and point an antenna at Boston — you'll get all of the locals for free...

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iamlindoro__:

You not *that* much worse off than the original component outs in that scenario

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keith4:

i get plenty of HD and digital channels without a STB, without firewire, and without an antenna

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justinh:

somebody has to get it from somewhere in the first palce

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justinh:

*place

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sshirley:

Jeffa: That's not too bad. But nothing on the locals (except WGBH) worth recording. TLC, Discovery, History, etc....that's what I need and watch. :-)

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sshirley:

keith4: how is that?

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keith4:

digital cable

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keith4:

unencrypted HD

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justinh:

when I had those channels on cable I found I didn't need a DVR

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sshirley:

keith4: which company and where?

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keith4:

RCN, Lehigh Valley

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J-e-f-f-A:

keith4, Yeah – they just haven't turned on the encryption yet... One day it will just stop working...

[15:34:25]

keith4:

i guess you've never dealt with RCN ;-)

[15:34:39]

keith4:

they just finally encrypted their pay-for digital channels

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sshirley:

nope :-)

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iamlindoro__:

keith4, can't generalize, though, RCN encrypts like crazy in the boston area for example

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sshirley:

that would be nice :-)

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keith4:

i just saw a channel dump of RCN in boston... let me find it

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sshirley:

what's rcn?

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keith4:

iamlindoro__: yah, well down here in Pennsyltucky, things move a bit slower

[15:35:20]

iamlindoro__:

a cable company

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justinh:

you can't blame anyone for encrippling stuff really

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keith4:

http://fuhm.net/boston_rcn_channels.html

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J-e-f-f-A:

sshirley, It's a cable company, like "Comcast" or "Charter"...

[15:35:38]

justinh:

if my earnings depended on it I wouldn't let people help themselves

[15:36:06]

keith4:

iamlindoro__: according to this guy, they don't encrypt HD

[15:36:21]

sshirley:

jeffa: but hearing you guys talk, it sounded like it might be a choice up here

[15:36:34]

keith4:

actually, RCN doesn't charge extra for the HD content. it's "included" with your regular cable... they just want you to rent the HD box for $13/month

[15:36:40]

iamlindoro__:

keith4, That guy is wrong, that's "digital basic," They have a lot more channels when you have STB

[15:36:40]

keith4:

sshirley: where are you?

[15:36:48]

sshirley:

rhode island

[15:37:07]

keith4:

iamlindoro__: yes, I know. i'm strictly talking about HD, though

[15:37:15]

keith4:

sshirley: oh, I'm sorry ;-)

[15:37:42]

iamlindoro__:

keith4, Yeah, but he's missing a huge chunk of the HD channels in that channel map

[15:37:57]

keith4:

iamlindoro__: i have digital basic. there's an unencrypted digital version of every analog channel, and about a dozen HD

[15:38:11]

keith4:

http://www.rcn.com/cabletv/lineups/details.ph . . . id=PA-LHV-DR

[15:38:19]

sshirley:

Yeah...Cox Communications has a ton of HD channels. Too bad they're all encrypted.

[15:38:45]

keith4:

I get what they call 174–189, except ESPN and HDNet Movies

[15:39:05]

keith4:

I'm not sure why they bothered encrypted ESPNHD, but none of the others

[15:39:14]

justinh:

where are those pictures of the Lego HD again? in need of a laugh

[15:39:30]

iamlindoro__:

keith4, You're definitely doing better than Boston-- Discovery HD, for example, is encrypted, 169–200 are all HD in their digital package in boston, most of which are encrypted (not all, though)

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** J-e-f-f-A can't get RCN here... I think the only 'cable' option I have is Cumcast — or switching to FiOS TV (I already have FiOS internet) — I currently use Dish Network for SD. **

[15:40:15]

sshirley:

Well, this upsets me :-)

[15:40:17]

iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, When the HD-PVR Myth support materializes, FIOS may be a great choice, definitely the best picture quality

[15:40:29]

keith4:

actually, now that you mention it, i'm not sure about discovery HD

[15:40:41]

keith4:

i was just watching NatGeo HD, though

[15:41:03]

** justinh wonders how all the naughty leet pirates do it **

[15:41:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

ooh, naked Pigmies in HD?!?

[15:41:13]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, r5000 mods

[15:41:23]

keith4:

and for some reason, I just started getting the Pentagon Channel and the Nasa Channel in HD, I think

[15:41:32]

justinh:

I thought they were all dead

[15:41:32]

keith4:

not that i'd ever watch either of them

[15:41:39]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: too bad those are so expensive

[15:41:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

keith4, Both of those channels are free anyways, at least the SD versions, so no surprise for me there...

[15:42:06]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, Can still get 'em... I think they are mostly getting them off of dish, I certainly wouldn't want to risk modding a leased box otherwise

[15:42:28]

iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, yeah, for sure-- I wouldn't mind getting one myself if I wasn't already pretty lucky via firewire

[15:43:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

gandalfcome, must be pretty late down there, eh?

[15:43:24]

justinh:

$600 ish doesn't seem bad

[15:43:29]

sshirley:

Well, I better get some work done. :-) Like I said, I guess I better check out how I fare with the firewire output on my STB. If it's not good then I'll look at the HD-PVR.

[15:45:03]

kslater:

anyone want to offer up a minimum processor spec for decoding 1080i HD?

[15:45:16]

justinh:

pretendy (mpeg2) or real HD ?

[15:45:41]

justinh:

an Epia board won't cut it

[15:45:45]

iamlindoro__:

ie US Broadcast HD or "good looking" HD?

[15:45:46]

kslater:

lets say H.264 mpeg4 and then mpeg2

[15:45:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

kslater, The faster the better... and anything other than an NVidia card would be insanity...

[15:46:07]

justinh:

h.264? minimum 1.8Ghz core 2 duo

[15:46:09]

iamlindoro__:

Middle of the road C2Duo will do both of those

[15:46:11]

kslater:

yeah, figuring on the NVidia just because of mass

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kslater:

what about AMD?

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justinh:

(assuming < bluray bitrates)

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justinh:

what about AMD ?

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sshirley:

Ok. Thanks for all your help guys!

[15:47:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

kslater, I have an AMD 64 x2 4800+ – handles mpeg2 1080i fine — haven't tried any h.264 stuff yet..

[15:47:28]

kslater:

ok, what about 1080p h.264?

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justinh:

depends on the bitrate

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kslater:

good point

[15:48:01]

justinh:

no 1080p h.264 is being broadcast

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J-e-f-f-A:

anyone got a link to some HD samples? I'll give them a shot... ;-)

[15:48:09]

justinh:

x264.nl IIRC

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kslater:

isn't Elephant's Dream available in h.264 mpeg4?

[15:48:49]

justinh:

http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/

[15:49:04]

justinh:

that isn't gonna be representative though

[15:49:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

Thanks... ;-)

[15:49:12]

justinh:

(elephant's dream, I mean)

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justinh:

you need _real_ clips for testing with – sourced from broadcasts

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iamlindoro__:

Playback is always in flux w/r/t requirements, but I have ripped a blu-ray disk and played it back on a E4500 C2D @ 2.2 Ghz... that was after *extreme* effort and tweaking, though... my Q600 has no issue with it

[15:50:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Well, at least they'll tell me if my cpu can handle a HD .264 file...

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: but it'll be a meaningless test!

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justinh:

muhh, elephants' dream played fine but the TV is all crappy

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iamlindoro__:

If that one GSoC project actually gets finished, multithreaded playback may improve a lot Real Soon Now (tm)

[15:51:04]

justinh:

a GSoC project getting finished?

[15:51:08]

** justinh guffaws **

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, hehe... I do have my XB360 HD-DVD drive here, and a few HD-dvd discs... are they h.264, or just mpeg2?

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justinh:

depends

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iamlindoro__:

ffmpeg at least required that they all finish a qualification task, so these guys have at least gotten *something* done just to qualify

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justinh:

they can hold either apparently, just liek bluray

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justinh:

elephant's dream.. now there are some minutes I'll never ever get back

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, I closed it and deleted after the first 90 seconds or so

[15:52:38]

iamlindoro__:

it was *horrible*

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gbee:

grr

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** J-e-f-f-A downloads a 19MB 1080 HD sample in 20 seconds... gotta love FiOS! ;-) **

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kslater:

I've never seen it (E D), just heard that it's open, so at least you're not breaking any rules.

[15:53:21]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: bear in mind that these samples are european so the quality you get in the USA will be vastly inferior

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iamlindoro__:

Ah ED... strikes millions of men worldwide

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J-e-f-f-A:

justdave, hehe... Mplayer plays the audio only,no video... must need an h264 codec...

[15:54:13]

kslater:

and unsuspecting testers of HD

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janneg:

justinh: depends on the bitrate and source and encoder

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justinh:

mplayer doesn't need codecs

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J-e-f-f-A:

er... oops justinh ^^

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justdave:

my mplayers all play h264 fine. :)

[15:54:59]

justinh:

janneg: 18mbit h,264 will always be superior to 18mbit mpeg2 in general though ;)

[15:55:12]

janneg:

you won't see a difference between mpeg2 1080i at 20mbit and 12 mbit h264

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Humm... "VIDEO H264(pid=260) AUDIO MPA(pid=261) NO SUBS (yet)! PROGRAM N. 3

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J-e-f-f-A:

F" "Video: no video

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J-e-f-f-A:

S"

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janneg:

justinh: not at usual viewing distances

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justinh:

yeah but in the USA there's no MPEG2 HD at that kind of bitrate

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justinh:

I've seen Sky HD at actual viewing distances on a 50" plasma & it looked crap. that's like 16mbit/sec h.264

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justinh:

I'd rather lose a little detail than see motion artifacting

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gbee:

Sky HD is laughably bad, demo stand I saw last year it looked worse than BBC SD

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janneg:

the advantage of h264 is that you can do much lower bitrates without hurting the quality too much

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justinh:

BBC HD at a slightly lesser bitrate than Sky HD looks amazing

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janneg:

there is no big difference at high bitrates

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justinh:

according to the stats the bitrates are very similar yet the quality difference is vast

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gbee:

don't think it's the bitrates which cause the problem with Sky, they just do something strange to it before broadcasting

[15:58:54]

justinh:

maybe not optimising it

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justinh:

bbc do pre-processing

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janneg:

justinh: so sky has either bad sources or encoding equipment or both

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gbee:

I'd even suspect they were upscaling it's that bad compared to the BBC stuff

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justinh:

doesn't matter if the end result looks so offensively bad

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Here's a HD sample I pulled from a daytime soap opera, at 1920x1080 mpeg2 – 19Mbps — http://jartz.homeip.net:8008/files/1080p_sample.mpg (58MB, about 20 seconds long)

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justinh:

1080p broadcast TV?

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justinh:

I don't think so somehow

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, That's OTA HD... ATSC... Yeah, but a stupid daytime soap...

[16:00:51]

justinh:

I thought you get 720p or 1080i

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Umm... might be 1080i... humm.... mplayer just says '1080"...

[16:01:49]

janneg:

justinh: it won't be p60, but p30 or p24 (less likely for a soap)

[16:02:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

TS file format detected.

[16:02:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

VIDEO MPEG2(pid=49) AUDIO A52(pid=52) NO SUBS (yet)! PROGRAM N. 1

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J-e-f-f-A:

VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 19000.0 kbps (2375.0 kbyte/s)

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justinh:

was also led to believe that bitrates averaged much less over there – going by what people talk about... 6–8GB/hour

[16:03:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^^ so it's probably 1080i then...

[16:04:02]

justinh:

anyway other than what I've seen on BBC HD I've yet to be moved by HD at all

[16:04:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Well, last-year's season of 24 was just 720p – and was 6–8GB/hr... (let me see what 'American Idol' was for last-night...)

[16:04:26]

justinh:

and even then not enough to justify spending £££ on a new telly which'll look worse than my current set for most of the stuff I watch

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kslater:

it's a fox show, so it'll be 720p

[16:05:11]

justinh:

I still reckon you guys are so bowled over by HD cos you had to put up with NTSC for so long :P

[16:05:28]

kslater:

NTSC is a blurry mess

[16:05:35]

kslater:

ATSC is much better

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justinh:

not only that but NTSC on cruddy noisy analogue cable feeds

[16:05:58]

kslater:

ah, never been a cable customer

[16:06:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yep... kslater is right... 1280x720...

[16:06:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

6.7GB/hr...

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janneg:

justinh: 6–8 GB/h are 14–19mbit/s

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justinh:

our SDTV comes in about 1.5 to 2.5GB/h. and looks crap

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** J-e-f-f-A hasn't had analog cable for 10+ years... Satellite the last 10... ;-) **

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justinh:

remember seeing the TV in my hotel 1st time I visited the states. I had to check the connection. then I rang reception. they came up & said it looked better than their TV picture at home. covered in crosshatch noise

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** J-e-f-f-A was wondering why there was a commercial playing... Then he realize he was playing it in mplayer and not mythtv... ;-) **

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justinh:

any UK peeps see the Gadget Show this week? they showed '3d telly' ... lol

[16:12:06]

justinh:

i.e. a projection surface that moves up & down 17 times a second...

[16:12:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, That's a far cry from today... Many still have analog, but if you stay at something like a Marriot, they've got digital systems with on-demand now...

[16:12:40]

justinh:

this was a Best Western near the airport in FL

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justinh:

apparently some airlines have linux-driven VoD systems onboard these days

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ugh... still 4100 mins left on my reshape... almost 3 more days...

[16:15:04]

iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, Heh... does seem to be taking an awful long time, but it'll be worth it in the end

[16:15:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, There's a us carrier, Jet Blue, that has 32 channels of directtv, with a screen at each seat...

[16:15:25]

justinh:

heh

[16:15:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Everybody can choose their own channel... ;-)

[16:15:58]

justinh:

flew Air France to China once... every seat had its own screen with 12 chanels of TV & games back in 1998

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iamlindoro__:

I enjoy RyanAir in the EU... $2.00 for your ticket, $100 in fees, and a Go-fuck-yourself attitude if you want anything

[16:16:39]

justinh:

even smoked on the plane on that flight!

[16:17:06]

justinh:

erm.. where are the md5sums for the ubuntu iso files?!

[16:17:18]

justinh:

der

[16:17:20]

justinh:

found em

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justinh:

oh FFS. ubuntuhashes doesn't have em

[16:19:16]

iamlindoro__:

Haha, torrent of GTA IV leaked early and hundred of shitwits go online and play it, so now MS can go know on their doors

[16:19:21]

iamlindoro__:

hundreds

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iamlindoro__:

knock

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J-e-f-f-A:

ooh, FFS? The Amiga "Fast File System" ;-)

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justinh:

I'll take my chances with the iso file

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justinh:

NIL POINTS to ubuntu though

[16:24:26]

justinh:

arghhh the humanity!

[16:24:34]

XLV:

justinh, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/ if you can get in thoudh, its being hammered atm by 8.04 downloaders... use some proxy

[16:25:14]

justinh:

I got the image just fine. I need the md5sum

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XLV:

it has the MD5 there also

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iamlindoro__:

I presume the whiny "Why I cant'z installz mithteevee on Oooboontoo w/ my ATI x1200 and my All-in-wonder" messages ought to begin rolling in any time now

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justinh:

why the hell they can't put it on the download page linked to from the main site I dunno

[16:26:39]

justinh:

w1nd0w5 r0ck5orz!

[16:28:20]

justinh:

caught the wiki vandalism the other day in the recent changelog. funny

[16:28:44]

iamlindoro__:

Anything amusing?

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justinh:

"If you're using Windows that means you are not a cheapskate and you can afford a better software instead of this Linux piece of crap"

[16:30:36]

iamlindoro__:

pffft, amateur

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bl4d3:

cya all and thx for all

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bl4d3:

thx justin

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bl4d3:

and sorry

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justinh:

funny but I know more people who have bought linux distros than windows install CDs :P

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justdave:

anyone have any good hardware suggestions for a MythTV frontend box? Something with the form factor of a Mac Mini but with a composite video out and a video card that supports it on Linux.

[16:38:02]

justinh:

arghhh DVD images? noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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iamlindoro__:

justdave, What's the issue w/ the mini itself?

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justdave:

no composite video out

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justinh:

justdave: a mac mini? they're exactly the same size as a mac mini dontcha know!

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iamlindoro__:

Sure there is, it's a little adapter

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justinh:

and they do do compo out

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iamlindoro__:

and intel Graphics, perfect for Myth

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justinh:

costs about 25 sheckles

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justdave:

does the composite out work in Linux?

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justinh:

you use the xrandr command to configure it

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quicksilver:

lots of people are using mac minis (running linux) for mythtv

[16:39:17]

quicksilver:

FSOV 'lots'

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justdave:

I've got a Powerbook G4 as a myth frontend on this TV right now...

[16:39:21]

quicksilver:

definitely more than 2

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justdave:

if I run Myth in Linux it doesn't support the composite out (ATI card)

[16:39:37]

justinh:

only thing stopping me buying one is the limited audio output

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justinh:

justdave: mac mini is intel not shitty ATI

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justinh:

er.. recent ones are at any rate

[16:40:07]

justdave:

if I run Myth in OS X it works great except that I can't get any remote control other than Apple's little white thing to work on it

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justdave:

for this TV the headphone jack will probably suffice :)

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justinh:

you can use any USB remote with it in linux

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iamlindoro__:

IIRC the audio out on the mini is a combined minijack/optical

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justdave:

yeah, I had an MCE remote working with it in Linux except that I could only view it on the built-in screen :) (on the Powerbook G4)

[16:41:15]

justinh:

or if you have a _proper_ programmable remote, there are 255 button combos possible with apple's remote protocol – and all will work with the inbuilt receiver

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iamlindoro__:

yup, optical out in the headphone port, so you can get 5.1 if you want

[16:41:35]

justinh:

well, 255 or 127 I can't remember

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justinh:

the combined audio connector is a bugbear for me

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justinh:

yeah I know I can get USB dongles but they end up being a quarter of the size of the computer :P

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justdave:

does a pair of headphones work plugged into that jack? if so, sounds like a current-gen mini actually would work. :)

[16:42:47]

iamlindoro__:

yes, headphones work

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justdave:

I have a couple iMics sitting around actually, if the audio is that crappy

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justinh:

dunno if it can drive headphones but it's def. line level

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justdave:

that'd be good enough

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justdave:

it's the RCA inputs on the TV it's connecting to

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justdave:

(that's all it's got other than the TV cable connector)

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justinh:

anyway.. iiiiit's hometime!

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justdave:

this is the TV in my bedroom I'm trying to fix up here. :) Just got the basement remodeled, there'll be a family room type area down there once the get the carpet put in. Probably add a new TV down there.

[16:45:14]

justdave:

the backend box is currently on the big TV in the living room

[16:45:27]

justdave:

I'll probably add another backend in the basement, we'll need more tuners :)

[16:51:51]

justdave:

hmm, need a lot of RAM for Myth to work well? er, actually, I do HD playback on the big TV downstairs on 1GB of RAM (barely) and the TV this is going on is an old standard def thing, so I guess that won't matter.

[16:53:10]

iamlindoro__:

justdave, the Mini (I only used the 2.0 Ghz configuration) Made a *great* HD box, SD will be a snap for it

[16:55:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro, I got the lcdproc working, but myth still isn't talking to it... (not sure why...) I would re-boot, but not while I'm re-shaping my raid... ;-)

[16:55:51]

iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, REmember to turn on the "use LCD" tickbox in mythfrontend?

[16:56:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro, yeah, it's on. Even bouncing the backend didn't get it to work... <strange>

[16:56:27]

iamlindoro__:

hrm

[16:56:46]

iamlindoro__:

Guess you'll find out in three days ;)

[16:57:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

One of the things I changed in the new system build, besides going from FC6 to FC8, was to go 64-bit...

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__ Yeah, lcdproc is happily working, blinking the heart in the upper-right character every second or so...

[16:59:22]

Lynet:

Is anyone working on a generic transcode/export module?

[16:59:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro, I probably won't head out to the TCF this weekend... my son's working, and I just spent a few hundred on new hardware anyways... ;-) (It's a 6 hour trip one way for me...)

[17:00:31]

iamlindoro__:

Ah well, you've got your hands full right now anyway ;)

[17:01:33]

justdave:

hmm, anyone run Myth on an AppleTV?

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J-e-f-f-A:

humm.. I lied... it's only a 5 hr trip... but at 260 miles, that's $125 in gas that I don't need to spend anyways...

[17:03:19]

** J-e-f-f-A needs to buy a Honda... These gas prices are painful at just 15mpg in my Tahoe... **

[17:03:23]

Lynet:

justdave: Wait.. Mythfrontend works fine on a Mac Mini?

[17:03:43]

iamlindoro__:

Lynet, Why wouldn't it?

[17:04:09]

justdave:

I run MythFrontend on a Powerbook G4 right now (under Mac OS X even)

[17:04:14]

justdave:

don't see why it wouldn't work on a Mini :)

[17:04:44]

justdave:

was musing about AppleTV because it's significantly cheaper.

[17:04:59]

justdave:

lacking a DVD drive though

[17:05:04]

justdave:

probably why it's cheaper

[17:05:13]

justdave:

also understand you'd have to hack it a bit to install a different OS on it

[17:05:22]

Lynet:

iamlindoro: Old war damage, possibly. I'm still having a hard time gettin used to Apple using generic PC hardware.

[17:06:05]

iamlindoro__:

Lynet, yup, it's just a Intel Mobo/graphics C2D... in my mind it's the very best small quiet HD frontend right now

[17:06:37]

Lynet:

iamlindoro: Funky bios though, if I remember correctly?

[17:06:49]

Lynet:

EFI or whatever it is called?

[17:06:53]

iamlindoro__:

No issues, linux install works perfectly

[17:07:16]

justdave:

newer PCs are using EFI, too, from what I understand

[17:07:44]

justdave:

it's a generic next-gen bios, Apple was just the first to mass-market it

[17:09:16]

iamlindoro__:

justdave, My personal opinion is that the ATV is underpowered and that the hack sounds ugly and inconvenient, but I'm told it can make an okay SD box and can do some HD to a point... Won't have the component/S-vid you want though

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iamlindoro__:

sorry, it has component, not composite

[17:11:23]

iamlindoro__:

anyway, allegedly there's a way to have composite in via HDMI->DVI->VGA->Composite... used to require some dancing about and unplugging/replugging at the right time but now you can supposedly do it with a software hack

[17:12:20]

iamlindoro__:

whereas the Mini works perfect for SD and HD and whatever Tv outs you want out of the box

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justdave:

I only see a DVI video out... I assume there's an adapter somewhere for the mini that will make a composite from that?

[17:15:36]

iamlindoro__:

yup

[17:15:41]

justdave:

(I seem to recall a dongle that had both composite and S-video on it)

[17:15:49]

iamlindoro__:

That's the one

[17:16:35]

Lynet:

Ugh, not exactly the cheapest though.

[17:17:16]

iamlindoro__:

It's the cheapest way to get that hardware in such a small form factor. You can spend less but take up far more space.

[17:17:28]

iamlindoro__:

So it's a tradeoff and just sort of have to decide what you prefer

[17:18:01]

justdave:

"Apple DVI to Video Adapter" for $19.00

[17:18:15]

justdave:

"Use the DVI to Video Adapter to connect the DVI port on a Mac Pro (with ATI X1900 XT), MacBook Pro, or Mac mini to any S-video or Composite enabled device."

[17:18:18]

justdave:

sounds like the one.

[17:18:21]

iamlindoro__:

yep

[17:19:09]

iamlindoro__:

justdave, walkthrough and info on using the S-vid adapter: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . using_Ubuntu

[17:19:34]

justdave:

ooh, specific page for it :)

[17:19:40]

sid3windr:

heh

[17:19:43]

sid3windr:

$19 = not the cheapest?

[17:19:46]

sid3windr:

that's like 1 euro :=)

[17:20:00]

iamlindoro__:

I think he meant the overall system cost

[17:20:44]

justdave:

looking at the "install MythTV" section, I bet I can get all that by installing mythbuntu-desktop :)

[17:20:54]

justdave:

yeah, sounded like he was talking about the $600 for the mini itself

[17:21:03]

iamlindoro__:

yup. the conf files on there will save you a boatload of time, though

[17:21:06]

justdave:

I could swear the mini used to be $500 for the low end one

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iamlindoro__:

I think it was in the G4 era

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otwin:

iamlindoro: about appletv – the hack maybe looks ugly, but there is a great guide and it works really well. at the US price it's the perfect SD frontend. mpeg2 *should* work but did not test it myself and I doubt it can do h264 HD.

[17:28:17]

otwin:

*mpeg2 HD

[17:28:28]

justdave:

hmm, no refurbed minis on Apple's special deals page :(

[17:28:47]

iamlindoro__:

justdave, Get a student to walk in a buy it for you

[17:28:54]

Dagmar:

Only "perfect" if you don't want anything but plain MPEG SD playback

[17:28:55]

justdave:

heh

[17:29:02]

iamlindoro__:

15% off

[17:29:04]

Dagmar:

Hideously underpowered for everything else.

[17:29:47]

otwin:

Dagmar: well davilla is running 1080i mpeg2, he should know

[17:30:41]

justdave:

wow, refurbs have the same warranty as a new machine now.

[17:30:55]

justdave:

used to be Apple's refurbs only had a 90 day warranty on them before

[17:34:52]

otwin:

here is what davilla has to say about performance with mplayer: http://code.google.com/p/atv-bootloader/wiki/mplayer

[17:36:04]

iamlindoro__:

I immediately discount anyone who talks about codecs and resolutions but ignores bitrates

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beandog_:

heh

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Dagmar:

Oooo... He cans writed a web page

[17:37:27]

otwin:

iamlindoro: heh, there's some truth in that – but he knows what he's doing

[17:37:28]

beandog_:

I can play 1080p fine

[17:37:43]

beandog_:

of course, you need a fast box.

[17:38:02]

beandog_:

but we all need an excuse to upgrade.

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iamlindoro__:

Anyway, it's all much ado about nothing, we all agree it can be made into an acceptable SD box. I even said it can probably manage some level of HDTV playback, but I *personally* wouldn't want to limit myself that way, that's all.

[17:40:54]

iamlindoro__:

it's becoming less and less appetizing to have a frontend box that can handle only SD, but if that's all you need, and you don't set unrealistic expectations, I say what the heck, go to town

[17:41:49]

** otwin agrees **

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** J-e-f-f-A too... ;-) **

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beandog_:

are there any dual tuner hd cards out there yet

[17:43:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers, HA! ^^^ "hsd" and "comcast" don't fit together imho... I was a customer for 8 years, and it was anything but "High Speed"... ;-)

[17:43:33]

iamlindoro__:

Not a card, but the HDHomeRun

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iamlindoro__:

(assuming USA, of course)

[17:47:05]

ShiftyPowers:

having a devil of a time trying to figure out this error when compiling mythplugins

[17:47:06]

ShiftyPowers:

http://www.pastebin.ca/996016

[17:48:16]

iamlindoro__:

ShiftyPowers, Do you have an existing, qt3 Myth installed on that machine?

[17:48:58]

iamlindoro__:

(You do, and that's your problem) ;)

[17:49:00]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah i do

[17:49:09]

ShiftyPowers:

ah, so i should make uninstall the other then yeah?

[17:49:13]

iamlindoro__:

you need to move the /usr/include/mythtv stuff out of the way

[17:49:28]

iamlindoro__:

actually

[17:49:44]

iamlindoro__:

why are you trying to compile mythplugins without a matching mythtv already installed

[17:50:01]

ShiftyPowers:

that's weird because my mythtv compiled fine with qt4

[17:50:05]

ShiftyPowers:

i'm going to try again right now

[17:50:10]

iamlindoro__:

no

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iamlindoro__:

did you do make install yet on mythtv?

[17:50:25]

ShiftyPowers:

i don't remember to be honest

[17:50:32]

ShiftyPowers:

i gave up a week ago and just getting back to it

[17:50:50]

iamlindoro__:

mythplugins compiles against mythtv's libs. They have to match and mythtv has to be installed before mythplugins will compile

[17:51:00]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah, let me try again

[17:51:17]

iamlindoro__:

so you need to compile myth, make install it, then compile mythplugins... if you fail to do one of the preceding, it will fail

[17:51:38]

ShiftyPowers:

compiling right now

[17:51:42]

ShiftyPowers:

let's see what happens

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iamlindoro__:

beandog, also, Hauppauge has the HVR-2250, which is a dual tuner ATSC/QAM card, but it's not out yet, and no drivers, so you're in for a wait on that one, but it's PCIe

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beandog_:

pcie, huh

[17:53:11]

beandog_:

I wonder if a mini-itx would get that soon.

[17:53:47]

iamlindoro__:

There are a ton of Mini ITX boards with PCI-e AFAIK

[17:54:02]

beandog_:

oh really? Ive never noticed then I guess

[17:54:49]

iamlindoro__:

Anyway, you're in for a wait-- even if the 2250 board came out today, it would likely be months before there was a driver

[17:55:09]

iamlindoro__:

easier just to get the HDHomeRun... gets rave reviews, dual tuner, and everything has a network port

[17:55:45]

beandog_:

yah

[17:55:53]

beandog_:

I dont mind waiting for a full integrated box though

[17:55:58]

XLV:

iamlindoro, how about pci-e to pci external boxes i have seen? anyone used any of those? not that it would make much sense, but with more and more pci-e boards having 3 or even 2 pci slots, it could be a solution

[17:55:59]

beandog_:

going for the whole slim settop box design

[17:56:38]

XLV:

http://www.behardware.com/news/8723/pci-to-pc . . . adaptor.html

[17:57:08]

iamlindoro__:

that's pci-e to pci external

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XLV:

iamlindoro, yeah

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iamlindoro__:

so it does no good

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iamlindoro__:

He wants a dual tuner ATSC card-- the only ones that exist are the HDHomeRun and (eventually) the HVR-2250, which is PCI-e

[17:58:51]

XLV:

iamlindoro, it can be an interim solution.. also integrating something like that into a case.. well, i suppose it could be done, in a form of pci-e riser to pci, but still it cant have more than 2 or 3 pci slots that way

[17:59:02]

iamlindoro__:

He's not looking for more PCI slots

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XLV:

iamlindoro, i wasnt refering to beandog's search.. generally

[18:00:08]

iamlindoro__:

Maybe I'm confused then... why did you mention it?

[18:00:27]

iamlindoro__:

or was it a seperate inquiry?

[18:00:32]

iamlindoro__:

ah, it probably was, my bad

[18:00:41]

XLV:

iamlindoro, for all those having new pci-e boards with not enough pci slots, and pci-e tuners still lacking drivers in linux

[18:00:50]

iamlindoro__:

thought you were talking about his question, that's my mistake

[18:00:58]

iamlindoro__:

anyway, yeah, have heard that they work pretty well

[18:01:20]

XLV:

iamlindoro__, yeah, not much to do with beandog search.. i just saw how yet one more pci-e tuner without support in linux was mentioned in here

[18:01:38]

iamlindoro__:

Heh, well in PCIe's defense a ton of them just became supported

[18:02:22]

XLV:

iamlindoro__, any link?

[18:02:47]

mkrufky:

PCIe tuners are NOT lacking drivers in linux

[18:02:54]

iamlindoro__:

HVR-1800, and HVR-1250 IIRC are now fully supported

[18:03:01]

mkrufky:

u know how it feels to do tons of work, then have people claim it has never been done?

[18:03:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

holy toledo — then there's this thing – a pciex1 to pci adapter... http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pci-express-to-pci-adapter-p29855.html

[18:03:08]

ajh:

Will the MCE IR receiver do wake from sleep as far as anyone knows?

[18:03:31]

gbee:

mkrufky: yes

[18:03:31]

keith4:

depends on the BIOS, doesn't it?

[18:03:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

ajh, I think it will – if your motherboard supports wake-on-keyboard...

[18:03:48]

ajh:

OK, thanks I'll look into it more then.

[18:04:07]

keith4:

wake-on-usb-event?

[18:04:27]

Dagmar:

wake-on-random-occurrence.

[18:04:37]

iamlindoro__:

stiff wind, passing truck

[18:04:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

keith4, Yeah, that might be it... ;-) But I think for the purpose of the power button, it emulates a usb keyboard power button... but I could be wrong, I've been wrong before!

[18:05:11]

Dagmar:

Sunlight.

[18:05:48]

XLV:

mkrufky, well, for some months i have built a pcie htpc, and coming in here, most were saying very few if any pci-e tuners have support

[18:05:49]

iamlindoro__:

XLV, you'll have to look into the linuxtv hg repos for real details, but card support has been added fast and furious lately, including a bunch of PCIe cards

[18:06:24]

mkrufky:

XLV: they dont know what they're tlaking about

[18:06:45]

mkrufky:

we dropped a linux support bomb and all out latest products

[18:06:47]

keith4:

J-e-f-f-A: i think the new frontend I just did has options for "wake on any usb keyboard event" or something

[18:06:49]

mkrufky:

it all got merged yesterday

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mkrufky:

everything is supported, except for hvr2250

[18:06:57]

Dagmar:

There's no substitude for doing one's own research.

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Aji-Dahaka:

I'm hoping to get a digital tuner that will work for mythtv as well as work in macos. I know the latter is not the specialty of this channel, but ... any recommendations?

[18:11:26]

mkrufky:

bad idea to log into irc as rot, Aji-Dahaka

[18:11:37]

mkrufky:

i am taking over your machine, as we speak

[18:11:42]

Aji-Dahaka:

bwaha

[18:11:49]

Aji-Dahaka:

you're a funny man, mkrufky

[18:11:50]

mkrufky:

meanwhile... the answer to your question depends on what country you live in

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keith4:

is the hvr2250 the dual QAM one?

[18:11:55]

Aji-Dahaka:

the US

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mkrufky:

wont be so funny when i rule your machine instead of you

[18:12:03]

mkrufky:

:-)

[18:12:05]

iamlindoro__:

He's not being funny, it's a huge security threat, Aji-Dahaka

[18:12:06]

mkrufky:

im just kidding

[18:12:19]

Aji-Dahaka:

not ircing as root, mkrufky and iamlindoro__

[18:12:35]

iamlindoro__:

Erm, yes you are.

[18:12:40]

mkrufky:

but seriously, anybody that does stuff like that lacks serious knowledge about how *nix systems work, and have a short life span for their private data

[18:12:45]

Aji-Dahaka:

kjelderg

[18:12:48]

keith4:

either that or he specifically set his username to root...

[18:12:51]

Aji-Dahaka:

/exec – -o whoami

[18:13:15]

Aji-Dahaka:

keith4: much more likely ;)

[18:13:18]

mkrufky:

anyway, that was just some helpful advice, Aji-Dahaka ... truthfully, i dont care who attacks your pc

[18:13:37]

mkrufky:

to answer your question, Aji-Dahaka, we need to know what country you're in and what type of television you'll be watching

[18:13:45]

keith4:

what does one use a digital tuner for, in mac os?

[18:13:48]

Aji-Dahaka:

13:11 < Aji-Dahaka> the US

[18:13:55]

Aji-Dahaka:

keith4: for viewing TV

[18:13:57]

mkrufky:

get an HVR1950

[18:14:13]

mkrufky:

oh, wait... i take that back.. they're not on shelves yet

[18:14:26]

keith4:

HVR950?

[18:15:00]

mkrufky:

HVR950Q

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iamlindoro__:

1950-- it's like the PVR-USB2 plus ATSC

[18:15:03]

mkrufky:

^^ better

[18:15:16]

mkrufky:

HVR1950 would be great for you, but its not available yet\

[18:15:25]

mkrufky:

HVR950Q has linux drivers and will also have mac drivers

[18:15:26]

keith4:

does the pchdtv5500 have any mac support?

[18:15:31]

iamlindoro__:

whoops, sorry, thought keith4 was asking about the 1950 :)

[18:15:44]

mkrufky:

HVR950 has linux drivers and already mac drivers, but no QAM support... (you need HVR950Q for qam)

[18:15:47]

justinh:

so a mac mini isn't the cheapest. but isn't it the smallest, quietest, coolest & best looking form factor for the money? hint – YES IT IS

[18:16:11]

keith4:

justinh: i got tired of waiting for an update, and just built a sub $500 linux box with similar specs

[18:16:14]

ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, crap now mythtv is not compiling

[18:16:16]

Aji-Dahaka:

I'm actually on analog right now, but want something that I can keep using if I go to a digital cable setup

[18:16:19]

ShiftyPowers:

got a random error

[18:16:25]

justinh:

nearest thing to it is the fucking horrible asus mini pc

[18:16:27]

ShiftyPowers:

must be svn proken

[18:16:29]

keith4:

granted, it's about the size of a pizza box

[18:16:29]

ShiftyPowers:

broken

[18:16:33]

justinh:

er, aopen

[18:16:34]

iamlindoro__:

ShiftyPowers, highly doubtful

[18:16:37]

mkrufky:

Aji-Dahaka: then you should get either an HVR950Q, or wait for the HVR1950

[18:16:40]

iamlindoro__:

$5 says it's your PC :)

[18:16:48]

justinh:

keith4: bad effort. hope you don't regret it

[18:16:49]

iamlindoro__:

pastebin the output

[18:16:49]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah, let me post this

[18:16:51]

Aji-Dahaka:

mkrufky: when's it scheduled to come out?

[18:16:52]

ShiftyPowers:

see what you think

[18:16:56]

mkrufky:

Aji-Dahaka: the difference — HVR1950 has hardware encoder

[18:17:03]

justinh:

if you don't want small & good looking, plenty to be had for less money though

[18:17:08]

mkrufky:

not sure... i thought it was supposed to be out already, but im just a developer

[18:17:14]

keith4:

justinh: not so far. i'll probably but a mac mini, too

[18:17:43]

Aji-Dahaka:

mkrufky: wow, hardware encoder and still requires 1ghz p4 for cable, 2.2 for atsc digital?

[18:17:52]

mkrufky:

who said that?!?

[18:17:56]

keith4:

I did end up with a core2duo 2.2, that is literally *silent*, in this case http://tinyurl.com/65xel2

[18:17:57]

ShiftyPowers:

http://www.pastebin.ca/996059

[18:17:57]

Aji-Dahaka:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1950.html

[18:18:01]

ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, http://www.pastebin.ca/996059

[18:18:11]

iamlindoro__:

They probably want you to be able to *play* youd video back ;)

[18:18:14]

iamlindoro__:

your

[18:18:39]

Aji-Dahaka:

the (analog) ones I was looking at before seemed happy with a g4/500mhz

[18:18:56]

Aji-Dahaka:

which for just mpeg play (with hardware mpeg decoding at the vid card) is plenty of power

[18:19:16]

mkrufky:

Aji-Dahaka: take that info with a grain of salt. vendors always embellish on the "minimum requirements" so that users always have WAAAAY more than they need

[18:19:23]

iamlindoro__:

ShiftyPowers, I would temporarily move /usr/lib/libmyth* and /usr/include/mythtv to other directories, then try to make again and see how it goes

[18:19:28]

keith4:

Aji-Dahaka: HD takes a lot more horsepower to playback than SD, obviously

[18:19:32]

justinh:

hardware mpeg decoding on the video card doesn't exist in linux.. not for HDTV anyway

[18:19:40]

mkrufky:

Aji-Dahaka: analog hardware encoder requires very little cpu

[18:19:48]

justinh:

and no, don't even think about citing xvmc. xvmc is useless

[18:19:52]

mkrufky:

ignore that page ... somebody needs to be shot for that one

[18:20:16]

mkrufky:

umm... i'm going to go get a cup of coffee before i talk about shooting my bosses

[18:20:17]

ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, cool, i'll try that

[18:20:28]

mkrufky:

brb

[18:20:34]

Aji-Dahaka:

justinh: right, I'm expecting to be using it on a linux box after I move, so a while from now and then I won't care much about the cpu usage as it will be a dedicated box

[18:20:44]

justinh:

guys, they'll be quoting the minimum recommended specs for their *Windows* software to function. nothing else ;)

[18:20:58]

Aji-Dahaka:

in the interim, I mostly want to make sure that watching tv wouldn't cause my processors to ramp up in my mac :p

[18:20:59]

iamlindoro__:

*cough* "vista Capable" *cough*

[18:21:11]

Aji-Dahaka:

then the fans have to go on and it gets so loud

[18:22:50]

Aji-Dahaka:

hmm...any other good suggestions?

[18:22:55]

** Aji-Dahaka reads back up through the options **

[18:23:07]

Aji-Dahaka:

what's an hvr950 vs. an hvr950q?

[18:23:13]

iamlindoro__:

q = QAM capable

[18:23:30]

XLV:

Aji-Dahaka, why not then a pc, with a spacious htpc case, eg silvestone lc-20, slow spinning ( 7 or 5v ) 8cm fans, a low noise cooler on cpu, anti-noise/vibration pads on the inside of case?

[18:24:10]

Aji-Dahaka:

XLV: my apartment currently is pretty small, just my dual-g5 in it attached to the projector and its one lcd

[18:24:59]

keith4:

Aji-Dahaka: you can slap together a shitty PC to be the backend. recording TV (even HD) doesn't take much horsepower. and then just run the frontend on your mac

[18:25:19]

XLV:

keith4, he still would have the g5 near the projector

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XLV:

Aji-Dahaka, a rack cabinet in the bathroom? ;-)

[18:25:45]

Aji-Dahaka:

hehe :)

[18:25:55]

Aji-Dahaka:

how 'botu a solution that involves no additional computers :p

[18:26:29]

Aji-Dahaka:

I'll probably use a linux machine soonish, and thus why I'm curious and in the mythtv room

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Aji-Dahaka:

but for the short term it'll just be a tuner attached to a mac, i think

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iamlindoro__:

I wouldn't count on modern Digital tuners to also have working drivers for G5

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XLV:

macs arent easy to mod for low noise.. if it was a pc, you could use all those i mentioned above to decrease its noise...

[18:27:52]

Aji-Dahaka:

http://www.plextor.com/english/products/TV402UMac.htm <-- this is similar to what I want, though it's stuck with an analog-only tuner

[18:29:05]

iamlindoro__:

In fact I'd put money down on any linux-compatible digital tuner that also has mac support being Intel only

[18:29:23]

Aji-Dahaka:

intel only for the mac or for linux (or both?)

[18:29:30]

iamlindoro__:

mac

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iamlindoro__:

950q may be an exception, though

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Aji-Dahaka:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=446690 <-- hmm... "It's the same hardware. Hauppauge calls it the 950 while Elgato calls it the EyeTV Hybrid."

[18:32:32]

Aji-Dahaka:

elgato makes an eyetv 250 plus that has hardware encoding as well...s'pose that works with mythtv?

[18:32:40]

Aji-Dahaka:

(or will :p )

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iamlindoro__:

not shows on the linuxtv wiki so maybe/probably not

[18:33:30]

iamlindoro__:

shown

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gbee:

all this talk of PCI-E cards has me wondering whether there is a supported DVB-S(2) tuner ... that would be handy

[18:36:28]

Aji-Dahaka:

pci-e cards?

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stoth:

gbee: No S2 tuner that I've seen.

[18:37:15]

Aji-Dahaka:

iamlindoro__: hmm...tempted by this product...would work on my desktop (and laptop) in macos for now and for 175, I guess I could probably replace it if/when I switch to linux

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ajh:

will the existing tuners like the nova-s work with mpeg4 dvb too?

[18:39:03]

gbee:

probably no dvb-s either, really depends what Freesat are planning to use I guess

[18:39:10]

iamlindoro__:

ajh, nope, need S2

[18:39:10]

gbee:

ajh: yeah

[18:39:20]

gbee:

huh?

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, really?? Thought S2 added h.264 support

[18:40:17]

stoth:

S2 is a family of modulation types, H.264 is a video codec, the are unrelated in the technical sense.

[18:40:18]

ajh:

or does it add new decryptions

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: in theory it shouldn't matter what the codecs used are

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programm3rq:

Has anyone here ever set up mythtv to record iptv channels? My city has a company called mstar, and I can get multicast iptv service over fiber. They want me to use their set-top box. I want to use mythtv. I can't find anything about such a service being used with mythtv. Is there a magic google search term?

[18:40:34]

iamlindoro__:

gbee, Hmm, well color me corrected then

[18:40:36]

gbee:

you could broadcast ogg video over DVB

[18:41:13]

ajh:

though the cards lacking hardware decryption for new formats could be an issue? or are those likely to be firmware upgradable?

[18:41:40]

ajh:

I'm wondering about the STB's, they must be upgradable after a certain point.

[18:42:04]

Lynet:

Does dvb decypt have to be done on the tv-card or can it be done in software?

[18:42:21]

ajh:

can be either, but the card can obviously do it faster

[18:42:21]

gbee:

FreeSat BBC HD trial is DVB-S using h.264, but I seem to remember reading that they might use DVB-S2 at some point

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ajh:

I really hope World goes HD soon

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stoth:

ajh: Keep dreaming. It's expensive.

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Lynet:

h.264 support is kinda important here in Norway, we're moving to DVB-T h.264/aac+.

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gbee:

DVB-T2 and S2 allow more to be crammed into the same frequency but that improvement is negated by the increased size of HD streams – so broadcasters look at combining T2/S2 with h.264 so that they can cram in an equal or at least reasonable number of channels in HD as they have per multiplex now

[18:46:13]

iamlindoro__:

gbee, BTW, while you're here-- will this usage of reflection work? http://rafb.net/p/AD1GUs18.html

[18:46:25]

gbee:

T2 allows another 10Mb/s per mux, roughly – not enough to switch to HD and keep the same number of channels on a mux

[18:47:32]

Lynet:

T/T2/S/S2 is the air interface? Sorry, not that into digital tv lingo yet.

[18:47:49]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: not right now, I could hack in temporary support for using it with buttondef, but the menu code will be properly ported to mythui and use the mythui theme format pretty soon

[18:47:57]

iamlindoro__:

t = terrestrial, s = satellite, 2 = generation

[18:48:25]

iamlindoro__:

gbee, ok, will stay tuned then.. Obviously, trying to use reflection w/ watermarks

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janneg:

Lynet: yes, it's the specifications how the digital data is transmitted. the data itself is more or less identical regardless of the used transmission system

[18:49:58]

gbee:

I'd written the patch to convert the menu code to use mythui properly, but I'd made a structural mistake and it's easier to start from scratch than try to fix it

[18:49:58]

ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, i just recomplied mythtv and installed it. it installed fine, but now when i go to mythplugins i get that same original error message

[18:50:14]

ShiftyPowers:

http://www.pastebin.ca/996016

[18:50:15]

ShiftyPowers:

that one

[18:50:52]

ShiftyPowers:

weird

[18:50:56]

iamlindoro__:

ShiftyPowers, not sure which if any of the plugins are out of commission right now

[18:51:02]

iamlindoro__:

i know mythbrowser is kaput

[18:51:28]

ShiftyPowers:

looks like mytharchive may be the culprit

[18:51:30]

Lynet:

janneg: So it specifies stuff like modulation (quam, etc), frequency bands and that? It is silent on the digital data that is transmitted over the carrier?

[18:51:31]

ShiftyPowers:

i'll try disabling it

[18:52:26]

janneg:

yes, the digital data is specified elsewhere and common for all

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janneg:

Lynet: so silent is the wrong word

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, Thanks for all the hard work-- I probably ought to be spending the time creating worthwhile graphics anyway

[18:56:07]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: the upside of converting the menu code to use mythui directly is that menus will be even more themeable, you could have three watermarks per button or animated watermarks etc

[18:57:05]

iamlindoro__:

gbee, Yeah, definitely. Have a little idea I'm playing with an using the animated watermarks would be a nice little addition

[18:57:21]

gbee:

basically your imagination would be the limit – I'm not suggesting anyone would chose to have 3 watermarks per button, just that it would be extremely flexible and it will be interesting to see what creative ways people use that flexibility

[18:57:41]

Lynet:

janneg: So a DVB-(T/T2/S/S2) card in a PC would only demodulate the signal and outout the stream, it doesn't care if it is mpeg2, h.264, vorbis or html pages?

[18:58:00]

iamlindoro__:

have in mind an animation + reflection effect, though, that sound doable?

[19:00:05]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: yes, but it depends on the animation as to whether it works as intended e.g. flipbook animation – no problem, movement animation maybe not so much because although the reflection would be drawn fine it won't adjust according to apparent lightsource changes (reflection is a static effect not dynamic, at least for now)

[19:00:26]

janneg:

Lynet: yes, a DVB card is not more than a network card and you can use some DVB-S cards for internet over satellite

[19:01:22]

iamlindoro__:

gbee, mine should be flipbook, so ought to work nicely

[19:01:32]

gbee:

cool

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Lynet:

janneg: What about crypto? Is that part of the data stream or part of the transmission protocol?

[19:02:20]

stuarta:

data stream

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gbee:

not sure about the speed of the reflection calculation yet, we might recommend that the reflection isn't used for theme images where you could just create it in Gimp/Inkscape or Photoshop instead

[19:03:28]

gbee:

but that shouldn't stop you using it for watermarks, it's just something to think about – may mean the theme is a little slower to load

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, worth a test, anyway, once it gets implemented I'll let you know

[19:05:09]

gbee:

thanks :)

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gbee:

I think I can optimise the code a little, reduce the number of copy operations

[19:05:55]

gbee:

reuse a single instance of the painter etc

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iamlindoro__:

Now the question is whether there is a better flipbook animation software for linux than the GIMP

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justinh:

arghhhh

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justinh:

!trout coax-plug-inventor

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** MythLogBot slaps coax-plug-inventor with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

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Aji-Dahaka:

for anyone at all curious...I ended up with the eyetv 250 plus. it's only 120 on macsales. I kinda hope when I'm ready to get a mythtv box it's supported, but if not I suppose I'll find something else

[19:20:10]

justinh:

you install a 3 tuner system with an aerial amp in place.. all good tight connections & then over time they get more slack than a vicar's daughter. bloody crap Belling-Lee Coax connectors!

[19:22:28]

** J-e-f-f-A now uses compression fittings... ;-) **

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justinh:

in the UK we have no real choice

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justinh:

.. unless we wanna mod all our RF hardware & fit F connectors

[19:23:57]

justinh:

these were brand new plugs 6 months ago – other from the same pack are fine but this one cable I made is loose

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gbee:

or use generous amounts of superglue

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Oh, those press-on connectors that my last Kenwood audio receiver had for the FM antenna?

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justinh:

kind of

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gbee:

without coating the conducting surfaces ...

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justinh:

gbee: it's the centre pin this time!

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gbee:

eugh

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justinh:

these are ones I bought from a federation of aerial installers dealer too

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justinh:

at least crimped F connectors can't go anywhere

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justinh:

this issue has always pissed me off more than SCART connectors

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justinh:

http://www.fmdx.info/index.php?id=wiring_belling_lee_plugs&nb sp;– I mean look at the state of it

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, No $hit, eh? Wow, what were they thinking? Not waterproof either...

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justinh:

been standard since 1940-something

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gbee:

well at least scart is on the way out now, slowly

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, Do sat tuners have those connectors too, or do they have F connectors just like the US?

[19:28:29]

justinh:

gbee: well, I don't hold out much hope HDMI connections either – not with the weight of most quality cables

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: satellite uses F connectors

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justinh:

so does cable

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh, So I guess I'm confused -what's using the other connector?

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iamlindoro__:

Antenna

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gbee:

justinh: haven't had much hands on experience with them, but being similar in design to USB they've got to be better than scart which comes loose at random

[19:30:10]

justinh:

it's stress on the PCB I'm more worried about with HDMI

[19:30:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, for over-the-air...

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah.. for VHF & UHF

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justinh:

hmm somebody's doing a crimp on UHF plug these days

[19:31:13]

justinh:

jees they could have even used BNC

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gbee:

justinh: hmm, you might have a point – I was worrying about that last night actually, the HDMI connector on the board I've just bought looks unsupported on the board

[19:31:18]

justinh:

now that's a connector!

[19:32:04]

justinh:

gbee: the ground plate of the connector should be solidly held onto the ground plane of the board if it's a good quality connector but even so

[19:32:27]

justinh:

they're not as flimsy as sata connectors but that ain't saying much

[19:32:52]

gbee:

http://global.msi.com.tw/uploads/Image/produc . . . 7_BackIO.jpg

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iamlindoro__:

Saw HDMI w/ actual retention the other day, but they cost a fortune

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justinh:

we've had to do a mechanical mod on the internal HDMI cables we use in our products – to support the cables. had two cases of self unplugging & one destroyed board when the socket came out of the PCB

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gbee:

http://www.msicomputer.co.uk/uploads/prod_eef . . . 2364c2f5.jpg

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abovebrew2:

Hi, how do you know if your local cable company is broadcasting unencrypted QAM 256 OR encrypted signals? I am considering buying a HDHomeRun, but I'd like to make sure it would work with my cable provider. Thanks.

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justinh:

yeah there are two ground lugs at the rear of the connector on the outsides – they'll take whatever strain (or not)

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justinh:

gbee: just be careful/wary

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J-e-f-f-A:

abovebrew2, Unless somebody else in your area has provided a list of what works, you don't know until you try it...

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justinh:

abovebrew2: a HDTV with built-in QAM tuner is one definite way to find out

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iamlindoro__:

abovebrew2, You either plug in an ATSC tuner and find out, or you hope that someone in your zip code put their unencrypted QAM layout online somewhere (notably on the silicondust website it's searchable)

[19:35:32]

gbee:

forked out for a SATA -> PATA adaptor and only remembered that I can fit two devices on a single cable afterwards – doh, still it should be handy for getting files off old drives

[19:35:34]

iamlindoro__:

s/ATSC/QAM/

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justinh:

gbee: heh

[19:36:08]

justinh:

anyway hopefully now I've swapped leads mythtv won't be doing its finest Sky Plus impression anymore

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abovebrew2:

justinh: thanks. I've got an HDTV with a digital tuner, I'll play with it when I get home. Right now, I just have an OTA antenna hooked into that tuner.

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justinh:

that test would only work if it'll do QAM for cable

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justinh:

I think most should but don't just take my word for it

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abovebrew2:

its a decent dell 42" plasma

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iamlindoro__:

abovebrew2, what's your zip

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abovebrew2:

46219

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=46219

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abovebrew2:

iamlindoro: thanks :)

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iamlindoro__:

Often those "Unknowns" are channels that were there temporarily for VOD streams, so you should mostly ignore them-- looks like it might be bad news for you

[19:40:57]

iamlindoro__:

I see a few network channels, a ton of music channels, and that's about it

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abovebrew2:

iamlindoro__: interesting. I guess I could use that cable at least instead of my antenna. (and take down the ugly antenna off my roof)

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iamlindoro__:

abovebrew2, well, do a scan w/ your TV and that is exactly what you'd get w/ the HDHomeRun... it's possible you'll get a lot and that the person who reported their lineup just didn't submit much info-- worth a look, anyway

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iamlindoro__:

Getting music + Locals would be pretty much par for the course in many areas, though, so it may be just that

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abovebrew2:

iamlindoro__: if i plug that cable into an older tube TV, I get like 70 or so channels just fine, but I'm not sure if these are analog or QAM

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J-e-f-f-A:

abovebrew2, An old tube tv would be analog, unless it had a digutal tuner, which isn't likely...

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J-e-f-f-A:

er... digital even...

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iamlindoro__:

^^^ Yup

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abovebrew2:

it is deffinately analog

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abovebrew2:

so that same cable transmits both analog and digital channels?

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J-e-f-f-A:

abovebrew2, Yes.

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iamlindoro__:

Their "Basic Cable" package will be available via analog, because they are more or less required to offer it, but via digital, most people get locals and that's about it

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iamlindoro__:

everything else is usually encrypted

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abovebrew2:

ok, that makes sense. Bummer :(

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iamlindoro__:

Varies wildly from Company to company to state to state to neighborhood to neighborhood, so it's always worth a try

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abovebrew2:

i would like a device similiar to the HDHomeRun that will turn the analog signals into Network packets

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iamlindoro__:

The HDHomeRun is actually the only network capture device I know of

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iamlindoro__:

standalone, anyway

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abovebrew2:

i just refuse to pay $100/month for tv

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abovebrew2:

and if OTA is the best I can do...then thats what I'll get

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J-e-f-f-A:

abovebrew2, Well, if you're in the US, ATSC is basically all you'll have next year...

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J-e-f-f-A:

abovebrew2, which is digital... I've got two PCI tuners atm... – PCTV HD3000 and HD5500 – to receive ATSC digitial...

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abovebrew2:

I'll have to read up on ATSC. Is ATSC broadcasted through the cable companies?

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iamlindoro__:

ATSC = Over the Air

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iamlindoro__:

QAM = Cable

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abovebrew2:

ok..

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abovebrew2:

jeffa said ATSC would be the only thing offered in the US next year... kind of confused me

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J-e-f-f-A:

abovebrew2, Check http://antennaweb.org to see what you can pull in...

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abovebrew2:

yeah, i used that site to point my antenna

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iamlindoro__:

abovebrew2, over the air, ATSC will be the only thing-- analog OTA is going away

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J-e-f-f-A:

abovebrew2, Well, for over-the-air, yes.

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abovebrew2:

will analog through cable be staying?

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J-e-f-f-A:

abovebrew2, Perhaps, but I wouldn't count on it...

[20:01:17]

iamlindoro__:

yes, for a bit

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iamlindoro__:

Cable Co's have to support analog through 2012

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Dagmar:

not really.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro, wow, really?

[20:01:58]

iamlindoro__:

yep, fcc mandate

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Dagmar:

They've already started migrating channels to Digital-only here

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Dagmar:

The FCC failed to specify how much of their services have to be handled through analog.

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iamlindoro__:

Well they don't have to support *all* of then on analog, but they have to keep the locals via analog

[20:02:34]

iamlindoro__:

Sorta close to the same deal as the ATSC changeover

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abovebrew2:

so basically no such thing as free tv for "other than local" channels anymore

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iamlindoro__:

just sort of depends on how your cable co ends up going-- if you live in the boonies you might get basic cable via analog for a long time

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abovebrew2:

i'm in a city

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iamlindoro__:

if you live in a city, as Dagmar says, I would expect them to start switching over in short order, but that's just my expectation

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iamlindoro__:

They *REALLY* want that bandwidth back

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mkrufky:

the whole thing was flawed from the begining

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abovebrew2:

i'm sure.. so they can add more features to their paying customers

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iamlindoro__:

Since each analog channel = 2–3 HD channels or many many SD channels

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mkrufky:

since they're mandating this changeover now, why not allow h.264 ?

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mkrufky:

instead, everybody will but new stb's & tv's for ota mpeg2, which become obsolete later when all mpeg2 is replaced by h.264

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, preaching to the choir, my friend :)

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mkrufky:

so we need to count in inches miles and gallons and mpeg2, instead of meters grams and h264

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mkrufky:

er, i screwed that up, but u get the point

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abovebrew2:

is h.264 a compression algorithm overseas (outside us) or something?

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iamlindoro__:

a codec, and yep

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iamlindoro__:

far more efficient and batter looking at equivalent bitrates... by a lot

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mkrufky:

its used inside the us, too

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iamlindoro__:

better

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mkrufky:

but not for broadcast television

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TelnetManta:

has anyone used a better channel scanner than whats in myth?

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mkrufky:

i think mediaflow is h.264 based

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abovebrew2:

what types of applications in the US?

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iamlindoro__:

Dish Network and DTV now, too

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mkrufky:

mediaflow is used for television on cellular phone networks

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J-e-f-f-A:

iptv for one...

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iamlindoro__:

yep, uverse is h.264

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abovebrew2:

no quality loss?

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J-e-f-f-A:

and my ipod video...

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iamlindoro__:

abovebrew2, all compression results in quality loss, and all digital television is compressed-- h.264 is just far better looking and more efficient

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iamlindoro__:

The tradeoff is that it's more processor intensive to play, and that there's no hardware acceleration for it in linux yet

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abovebrew2:

nice :) i'm officially jumping on the h.264 bandwagon :)

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iamlindoro__:

so you need a beefy system to play back high resolution/bitrate h.264 in linux

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abovebrew2:

interesting... h.264 is transmitted via RTP

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abovebrew2:

probably requries QoS then

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abovebrew2:

requires*

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iamlindoro__:

h.264 is just the codec, it can be transmitted all sorts of ways

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justinh:

every broadcast method requires quality of service or .. or it'll just suck :)

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abovebrew2:

i was just reading on wikipedia about it

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iamlindoro__:

abovebrew2, RTP is just one method of transmission, and only relevant to IPTV in this case AFAIK

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justinh:

all they need change is the broadcast container format but in reality they're more likely to adopt a newer, more effecient modulation scheme too

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justinh:

that's what's being talked about in the UK for over the air HDTV

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justinh:

DVB-T2 – not that the standard has even been agreed yet – nor is any hardware available for it yet

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A-:

abovebrew2: speaking to a question you asked a while back, but there is always free to air satellite channels. Lot of cool unencrypted channels up there. But depending on if you can put up a 1meter dish or not, might not work for you.

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justinh:

'cool' – like religious programming. lol

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iamlindoro__:

flyfishing

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A-:

lots of pbs type programming

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justinh:

ohyay for pbs

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justinh:

:-\

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A-:

and last time I checked there were a few of each of the major networks

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A-:

oh god! we can't be both entertained AND informed at the same time!!!!1 ;)

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justinh:

that's right. we can't

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iamlindoro__:

That's what porn is for

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A-:

http://lyngsat.com/america.html then click on each satellite. anything tan in colour is/was unencrypted

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iamlindoro__:

I've learned all sorts of things about elasticity of flesh

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justinh:

hmmm a family member I don't get on with is wanting to be my fiend on farcebook. denied!

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justinh:

see ya sis

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abovebrew2:

A-: thats good information, thanks!

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A-:

http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/North-America.html

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A-:

http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html

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justinh:

ah fuck it. if she sends me anything pirate or zombie related she's toast

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abovebrew2:

A-: how much does a decent satellite dish cost

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A-:

well you need a 1meter dish, an lnb and a rotor

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A-:

plus all of the cabling

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A-:

and then a dvb-s card

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A-:

all said and done a few hundred

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justinh:

and then another dvb-s card, then a switch, then more cabling & another LNB.. ;)

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gbee:

The HVR-1700 product description says that Vista MCE "supports upto two tv tuners" – that's not right, surely?

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justinh:

gbee: yeah

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justinh:

it's dead right actually

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iamlindoro__:

And hope you don't want to tune QAM/ATSC ;)

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justinh:

up to two of the same type

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A-:

heh, yeah and then a dish and lnb for each orbital location you watch a lot of programming off of

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gbee:

that's shit

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A-:

and then a c-band dish

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A-:

and then a few torrodial dishes

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justinh:

gbee: it was all on the comparison matrix I did for LRL sometime

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gbee:

justinh: can't remember back that far :)

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justinh:

it can be hacked for more but that's all you get out of the box

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gbee:

weird restriction

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gbee:

guess they are trying to sell a more expensive product

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A-:

but yeah, I haven't purchased any new sat equiptment for a while now, so I cant' recommend any online retailers. Perhaps try to find a local sat shop (if there are any that have survived in your area) and get a dish and rotor from them. easier to ship a pci card, so you could get one online

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justinh:

gbee: jees! how much TV can one person want?!

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justinh:

;)

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justinh:

and hey at least linux has udev – as inelegant as it is – but how the hell can you guarantee you always get the same tuner on a windows box?

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gbee:

so there are no PCI-E DVB-S or DVB-S2 tuners :( HVR-150 could replace the Nova-T and PVR-150 though and free up a slot

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gbee:

HVR-1700

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justinh:

I have no plans to upgrade my backend box. if it dies I'll buy a new desktop machine & use the current one as the backend

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justinh:

there just aren't enough boards with enough PCI slots

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justinh:

though 3 is enough for me – giving as many as 30 virtual tuners :P

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mkrufky:

what is HVR-150 ?

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justinh:

surprised there've not been any "reeeelp! miffyteevee bwoked cos I got 50 encoders going 24/7" tickets yet

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A-:

iamlindoro__: any word on a dvb-s or dvb-s2 pci-e card from hauppauge?

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A-:

gbee: I thought I had seen some, but can't find any

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gbee:

mkrufky: typo, meant HVR-1700

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iamlindoro__:

A-, I don't really keep track of the DVB-S stuff TBH, but I'm probably not the best person in this room to ask that of :)

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** iamlindoro__ pokes mkrufky **

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Dagmar:

"Hellllp me.... I'm running a cable piracy site and I don't want to call a consultant to help fix my stuff! I neeed freeees!"

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A-:

ah, you are the only person in this channel that I know has some sort of connection. my bad

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iamlindoro__:

A-, no no, not an admonishment, just saying mkrufky knows the product line better than I

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A-:

http://www.micronas.com/pressroom/press_relea . . . 9/index.html

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A-:

some mention from december 2006 about a pcie s2 card

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justinh:

well, according to the lyngsat site there are 5 or less channels in the clear worth watching. but if you discount news channels. zippo

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A-:

just a reference design though

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mkrufky:

i know nothing about dvb-s , sorry

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justinh:

gbee: wait a tic I think a mate at work has got a pci-e s2 card. not hauppauge though

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iamlindoro__:

A-, From a brief perusal through the site, looks like no PCIe S2 cards just yet

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A-:

justinh: "free" tv isn't ever going to satisfy the same apitite those who enjoy 10000 channels via sat/cable have

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mkrufky:

and i know even less about -s2

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abovebrew2:

the playboy channel comes in free from the satellite?

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justinh:

A-: given that choice I'd sooner read a book

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abovebrew2:

its listed here: http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html

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justinh:

books are way cheaper than dishes & crap

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A-:

playboy one was reported free to air on eurobird 1

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iamlindoro__:

I spend my dish money on booze

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A-:

this is material that originates in the US, not all of the channels that are free to air IN the US

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gbee:

justinh: I was mostly going by the list of supported devices from the wiki since it doesn't mean much if I can't actually use it

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iamlindoro__:

and buying booze for the ladeez

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, excited about tonight?????????

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A-:

gbee: hit up the mailing list archives as well

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gbee:

I'm not really in a position to write a driver right now ;)

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justinh:

gbee: the wiki is well out of date. their mailing list & the source code out of the hg repo are better

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A-:

exactly

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justinh:

when I bought my last dvb-t tuner, I found the wiki article about it was complete bollocks

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justinh:

hopefully nobody else will make the same mistakes & will get it working very easily :)

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: yes

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: i cant get anything done today

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, Have a run tonight so I will be picking it up right after it airs

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: i am excited for LOST, and even more excited that all my code was merged to linus today

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iamlindoro__:

nice, congrats

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mkrufky:

\"have a run tonight" ?

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gbee:

ack, well that takes more time than looking at the wiki, I can't stay subscribed to the v4l-dev list very long before I start marking everything read without actually reading it (don't have the time)

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mkrufky:

huh?

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I'm on a running team, run for charity/cancer research-- have a workout tonight

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justinh:

gbee: they have the patience of saints, those guys

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mkrufky:

ah!

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: better off ... timeshift it

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, indeed, no commercials for me!

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mkrufky:

gbee: what device do you not want to write a driver for?>

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: :-D

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** mkrufky cant wait **

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gbee:

mkrufky: dvb-s2 pci-e (if such a card even exists)

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janneg:

nice, pinnacle has a dual DVB-T, DVB-S PCIe card

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mkrufky:

gbee: no such card exists

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justinh:

lol you can buy a dvb-s2 modulator which comes with linux drivers

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gbee:

I can't run hg either right now, nova-t 500 driver has a nasty bug with recent versions, could have been fixed already but I've been too busy to find out

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mkrufky:

gbee: it is not the nova-t 500 driver that is bugged

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mkrufky:

it is the USB driver

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mkrufky:

ehci

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mkrufky:

gbee: ubuntu merged a fix

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justinh:

of all the pci dvb tuners I think the nova-t500 has been the most grief to date

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justinh:

I hope nobody else makes the same mistakes in future

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janneg:

gbee: it should be fixed with 2.6.25 or 2.6.24.4

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janneg:

or at least much better

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gbee:

mkrufky: it worked fine before the changes earlier this year which broke the second tuner – sure the underlying problem was USB related but the driver was unusable following that

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gbee:

not blaming anyone btw, just explaning why I had to downgrade

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janneg:

gbee: I had not a single problem since I updated to 2.6.24.4 shortly after it was released

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mkrufky:

gbee: i dont blame u for being upset about it

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gbee:

janneg: ok, well I'll see if I get time to try it at the weekend

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justinh:

effin chuff! http://www.satelliteshop.co.uk/store/erol.html

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gbee:

mkrufky: not even upset, stuff gets broken that's normal in development :)

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justinh:

oops..

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mkrufky:

yeah

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justinh:

the 'squish' – the modern alternative to a dish!

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justinh:

looks like ideas nicked from the old BSB squarial

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gbee:

mkrufky: janneg did point out the ehci issue and I'm pretty interested to see whether that fix also addresses another USB bug with USB audio devices and Alsa (can only hope)

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mkrufky:

hmm, i wish you luck

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gbee:

doesn't look like the Alsa devs will ever get around to investigating it (now I'm a little upset about _that_)

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gbee:

but only because it's clear that they don't have nearly enough devs working on Alsa

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, hmmm, wonder if I could hide one of those on the building where they can actually see the sats and surreptitiously run a line back to my box ;)

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iamlindoro__:

I actually tihnk I could

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gbee:

one day I'll push out my comfort zone to work on drivers, my only venture in driver writing succeeded in getting together a good group of people and has produced working drivers, but I wrote almost nothing of that code

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iamlindoro__:

All fun and games until the Kwizatz Haderach walks in

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justinh:

gbee: you know that mythui code... you're gonna be doing movement tag stuff... would it be hard to make a button list work on a grid? thinking arcs & non-linear paths...

[20:52:07]

justinh:

just had a wicked idea for blootube-wide – put the buttons on the outside of the arc – be cool if that kinda rotated like a dial while the watermarks change. or am I just dreaming? ;)

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Paul_Muaddib:

Hello @ all

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gbee:

right now the code allows for linear paths only, you can combine a series of linear paths to create an arc but no proper arc paths are possible

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justinh:

that was not a feature request btw... just spouting an idea

[20:53:23]

justinh:

I _really_ need to tackle arrays in c++

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gbee:

it's a simple thing to add though, may have to wait for more important things though – got a lot of jobs on my plate

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justinh:

yeah I realise that

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justinh:

I need to get up to speed with lists & stuff so I can do other stuff I want to get on with

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gbee:

feasible, just not something I expect to produce in the next couple of months :)

[20:56:03]

gbee:

the initial animation stuff, which already exists btw and just needs to be made themeable, only applies to complete widgets

[20:56:21]

gbee:

so you can move a whole button list, but not the buttons within that list – yet

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Paul_Muaddib:

Anyone time for a question?

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mkrufky:

too late — you can only ask one question per day

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iamlindoro__:

that would be an awesome rule

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kslater:

Paul_Muaddib: don't ask if you can ask, just ask

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mkrufky:

:-P

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Paul_Muaddib:

OK. Is it possible to set a fixed audio delay for all channels?

[20:58:48]

Paul_Muaddib:

On my machine audio is always ahead by about 200ms, and mythtv tends to forget that during channel switching

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Paul_Muaddib:

especially annoying when watching snooker and hearing the collisions before seeing them :-)

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justinh:

gbee: I'll prolly have a go when I get my other todo list stuff out of the way. there are bigger fish to fry for me too ;)

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kslater:

Paul_Muaddib: I don't recall a place to set that in the UI, so the quesiton would be if there is a place in the db to set it

[21:01:43]

kslater:

I don't know the answer to that question

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mkrufky:

btw, i dont think claire dies tonight, anymore

[21:02:06]

mkrufky:

next week is more like it

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Paul_Muaddib:

i tried to set it in the DB by hand, resulting in a corrubted channels db and me having to build it again from scratch

[21:02:26]

mkrufky:

i think she'll die before the LOST title shows up

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I'll bet she makes it all the way to the end ;)

[21:04:25]

iamlindoro__:

And gives Aaron to Kate to get him off the island

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mkrufky:

could be

[21:05:00]

mkrufky:

that makes good sense

[21:05:02]

mkrufky:

bu.....

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mkrufky:

well, sawyers said something about "are they just going to keep on murdering us one by one" or something along those lines

[21:05:31]

mkrufky:

in the coming attractions

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mkrufky:

and hurley is holding the baby

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iamlindoro__:

I keep expecting them to knock off Rose/Bernard

[21:06:30]

mkrufky:

rose is special

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mkrufky:

it cant happen to her

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gbee:

mkrufky: isn't that just want they want you to think though? hint at a character being killed, then splice in a completely unrelated scene to mis-lead you over the identity?

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gbee:

with a show like Lost where it's all about unexpected twists I'd guess they would deliberately plant the wrong idea to increase the impact of the reality

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mkrufky:

you're right

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mkrufky:

i will continue to think what i think, anyway

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mkrufky:

i am always happy when the show proves me wrong

[21:25:58]

mkrufky:

when i am right, that means the show has become predictable

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mkrufky:

and thats no fun, at all

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gbee:

heh

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gbee:

which episode are you upto anyway?

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iamlindoro__:

4x09 tonight

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gbee:

yeah, I guessed so – we're one behind, 4x09 is being shown on Sunday

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iamlindoro__:

We've been on hiatus for a number of weeks, finally back tonight

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gbee:

so you're leading on from the bloodbath at the end of the last ep (well if you call two characters dying a blood bath)

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iamlindoro__:

Yep

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: likewise, they've been showing them less than a week behind over here so we've had the same break

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iamlindoro__:

ah, I see... yep, has felt longer than it was, guess it was only the end of March

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gbee:

which I'm suprised people put up with – it's not normally the way it's done, we get the series without interuptions normally

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iamlindoro__:

It happens semi-often here, but they had only filmed a small number before our writer's strike

[21:30:46]

iamlindoro__:

so they needed time for production to begin again and get ahead

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iamlindoro__:

Even without the writers strike, they often put huge gaps in over here-- Battlestar Galactica is one of the worst offenders

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gbee:

yeah, the writers strike is a special exception, but I know that a lot of US series are split into two halves in the year (believe they get interupted for the NFL coverage or something?)

[21:33:11]

gbee:

when you appreciate that fact, you can see why US shows always start with a long 'previously on xxxxx'

[21:34:06]

gbee:

which often leaves me puzzled, I can remember what happened ... it was only shown last week ;)

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, if you're watching a show on Fox you often get two shows, tehn a few weeks off, then one show in a different timeslot, then a month off, then everything played at 2 in the morning one day... *cough*Firefly*cough*

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iamlindoro__:

And they wonder why a show ends up with low ratings...

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beandog:

heh

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beandog:

seriously

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gbee:

sometimes I think the 'previously on' segment has been added just to cut costs, a form of clip show ;) I've seen some where you are 15 minutes into a 45 minute programme before original material starts

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, Not totally unreasonable to believe that-- Five years ago when I cut commercials out of shows they were 22 minutes for a 30 minutes show or 44 for a 60 minutes show, every single time... I think the last episode of lost was 38–39ish

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iamlindoro__:

Shows are shrinking, product placement is getting more obnoxious (I'm looking at YOU, Heroes)

[21:39:07]

iamlindoro__:

A show which I will *not* be bothering with for season 3

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gbee:

well a series like Heroes which is shown on the BBC here without any ad breaks feels pretty damn short

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jams:

heh i only watch 1/2 a show of heros

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jams:

didn't find it entertaining enough to keep watching

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iamlindoro__:

jams, heh, won't you tune in to see which Nissan car gets mentioned 30 times an episode?

[21:40:23]

iamlindoro__:

Versa/Rogue/etc./etc./etc.

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jams:

no thank you

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beandog:

heh

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gbee:

I keep waiting for it to grip me, but so far it's been nothing more than something I watch when I want to pass the time

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** gbee turns his attention back to Heroes on the other screen :p **

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gbee:

just missed 10 minutes of it and yet I don't feel the need to rewind

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Paul_Muaddib:

:-)

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** jams finds that watching roomba/scooba is more entertaining then some tv shows **

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iamlindoro__:

Maybe I'll turn Heroes Season 3 into a drinking game

[21:44:34]

iamlindoro__:

Anytime a caucasian breaks into a faux japanese accent to say "Hiro Nakamura," that's a CHUG

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iamlindoro__:

Anytime anyone says "Nissan <blank>" you drink

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iamlindoro__:

Anything Hiro goes Waheeeeeeeeeeeeee you drink

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iamlindoro__:

etc.

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Hoochster:

roflmao@jams I can relate!

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: you'll end up in hospital drinking like that ;)

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, I'm Irish, I'll cope ;)

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Paul_Muaddib:

sure?

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frost0:

is it legal to use mythtv in the united states if I don't install the dvd and game option?

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Paul_Muaddib:

Even the Irish have limits

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frost0:

if so, how can i install it legally?

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iamlindoro__:

I've been... erm... training regularly

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Paul_Muaddib:

wha should ist be illegal? (strange country over the Atlantic ...)

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iamlindoro__:

frost0, It's legal even if you *do* install those plugins... nothing illegal about the DVD player if you don't install decrypting software, and nothing illegal about mythgame if you have no ROMs

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Paul_Muaddib:

it*

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iamlindoro__:

Heck, if you own the game the ROMs are probably protected by fair use anyway, likewise with DVD backups

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iamlindoro__:

Ah well, it was a stupid question anyway

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frost0:

sorry guys, my computer locked up.

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frost0:

so, mythtv is legal if I install it, tell it not to install the dvd codecs, and don't download any roms?

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frost0:

and it will still work?

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iamlindoro__:

Myth will work fine, but it's not DVD codecs you need to be concerned with, it libdvdcss2, which is a decrypted

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iamlindoro__:

decrypter

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frost0:

ah.

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frost0:

but, i can't install that on accident right? it will prompt me?

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iamlindoro__:

anyway, I don't know any standard distros that install it by default, they all require that you make a conscious effort to install it

[21:58:05]

frost0:

ubuntu.

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A-:

frost0: http://www.abanet.org/lawyerlocator/searchlawyer.html

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frost0:

downloading the new version atm

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frost0:

thx A- :P

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Paul_Muaddib:

gentoo

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iamlindoro__:

ubuntu will not isntall libdvdcss2 without conscious effort

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Paul_Muaddib:

well, forget my last comment

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Paul_Muaddib:

libdvdcss is an extra package there

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frost0:

?

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iamlindoro__:

frost0, what's your "?"

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Paul_Muaddib:

but, heck, it's not allowed here, either.

[21:59:17]

frost0:

the last comment thing.

[21:59:17]

Paul_Muaddib:

na dguess what i have installed here?

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frost0:

:)

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iamlindoro__:

anyway, mythgame isn't even an emulator, all it is is a menu system that allows you to launch them-- mythgame isn't even close to anything illegal

[22:00:06]

frost0:

i know, but i just dont like to break laws :)

[22:00:11]

frost0:

i don't even jaywalk :P

[22:00:20]

frost0:

sweet.

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iamlindoro__:

Well good, it's very admirable.

[22:00:26]

Paul_Muaddib:

puritan ... ;-)

[22:00:38]

frost0:

is it easy to install in ubuntu? .deb package?

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iamlindoro__:

frost0, you should look and the walkthroughs on the ubuntu wiki, they're quite complete

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frost0:

i think mine is a hauppage piece of hardware too.

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iamlindoro__:

er look at

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frost0:

ok thx

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Paul_Muaddib:

PVR?

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frost0:

yeah

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iamlindoro__:

more or less you will be adding mythbuntu on top of ubuntu, and Mythbuntu is about the most mindless install of Myth there is

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Paul_Muaddib:

lol

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frost0:

mindless as in easy, or useless?

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iamlindoro__:

simple

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frost0:

aha.

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iamlindoro__:

ie If you can't do mythubuntu, seek medical attention immediately

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beandog:

heh

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justinh:

well, S02E01 watched. fast-forwarded through the hispanic couple segments. lame

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frost0:

hah.

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frost0:

just looking at the screenies of mythtv right now...i expected it to be a little more raw..it actually looks really nice!

[22:04:12]

frost0:

tv guide feature?

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justinh:

better themes than the core defaults are available ;)

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Paul_Muaddib:

does anyone know the DB row where the audio delay is saved?

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Dagmar:

Oh you get audio delay for free. There's no need to configure it.

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Paul_Muaddib:

I want to set a delay for all channels

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Paul_Muaddib:

and I haven't found a way to set that anywhere in the GUI so it survives a channel switch

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beandog:

Paul_Muaddib, what card are you using anyway

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Paul_Muaddib:

Hauppauge PVR 150

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beandog:

Hmm

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beandog:

what version if ivtv

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Paul_Muaddib:

I get a pretty constant delay of video compared to audio of about 200 ms

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Paul_Muaddib:

kernel, let me see which one that is

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beandog:

oh yah, its in the kernel now, duh.

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beandog:

what kernel

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Paul_Muaddib:

2.6.24

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wng-:

I'm looking to create a little mythtv dedicated machine with 2 PVR-350's, and was thinking going miniITX, anyone have any recomendations?

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beandog:

wng-, how much you gonna spend

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beandog:

er, want to

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wng-:

beandog: I'd like to hit around 600 max, but if more is worth it for this system, its considerable

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beandog:

wng-, I have a dream-board Id buy, sec.

[22:22:41]

beandog:

http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ex10000eg

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iamlindoro:

Don't let justinh catch you recommending VIA

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beandog:

normally I hate VIA

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beandog:

but my mini-itx + openchrome freaking rawks.

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wng-:

with 2 pvr-350's and a decent cpu, what will my capabilities be?

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beandog:

well, I hope youre not planning on doing any encoding. :)

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bsdfox__:

wng-: unless you already have them, don't get pvr-350s

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wng-:

bsdfox__: what would you reccomend?

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bsdfox__:

pvr-500 or pvr-150

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otwin:

wng-: especially not 2 – even more if you want to put them on an epia

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beandog:

Paul_Muaddib, hmm, thats odd.

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beandog:

Paul_Muaddib, might wanna poke the ivtv-users list about it

[22:28:12]

Paul_Muaddib:

about the delay?

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beandog:

yah, that is odd.

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hatlevip:

wng-, openchrome can decode mpeg2 in hardware so no need for pvr-350

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wng-:

okay

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Paul_Muaddib:

'cause I also have some stranbge problem with mythtv taking down my whole machine sometimes when being restarted after a crash

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wng-:

so what do you think about 2 150's and a decent cpu to handle 2xencoding + watching

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beandog:

hatlevip, I didnt think it supported xvmc

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Paul_Muaddib:

thanks beandog, I'll go bother them, but not today ... :-)

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beandog:

Paul_Muaddib, hmm, thats odd. what os you running

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Paul_Muaddib:

Gentoo Linux 2.6.24

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Paul_Muaddib:

NVidia Graphics Card

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beandog:

Paul_Muaddib, well, feel free to hang out in #gentoo-mythtv all day, we'll help ou out

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beandog:

you

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Paul_Muaddib:

OK, good to know. Just a bit busy these days.

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Paul_Muaddib:

lectures in less than 8 hours again ... :-)

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beandog:

np

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beandog:

we'll get ya covered.

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Paul_Muaddib:

:-D

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Paul_Muaddib:

on freenode, I suppose?

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beandog:

yah

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Paul_Muaddib:

OK. Thanks for all the fish, but now I got to go to bed ... :-)

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beandog:

nn

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Paul_Muaddib:

gn

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beandog:

iamlindoro, what would you recommend for a mini? I'm still shopping for a new one myself.

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james_:

hi

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james_:

anyone using a kworld atsc 110 in ubuntu?

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ajh:

any way to blacklist shows so they just don't show up in the guide anymore?

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ajh:

or in any of the searches etc

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jamesd__:

james_, i'm using a 115 in mythbuntu

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james_:

ajh, you trying to block the pron from listing :)

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james_:

j/k

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ajh:

or say by show info?

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ajh:

like if it has Pauly Shore in it, pretend it doesn't exist

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james_:

james_, you tried to help me before with this. before i had a proper mythtv box

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ajh:

too often free software skips the really cool killer features in favour of having 50 different skins. :)

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ajh:

though hidden recording groups would also be nice.

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james_:

ajh, yeah I'd like to have an option to require a password before my external would mount. becuase its got all my pron stuff on it

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james_:

don't want my nephews being able to see those on my big screen would not be good

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james_:

jamesd__, would you be willing to try and help me get this resetup and hopefully working

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ajh:

I just know there are some shows I'll never watch, so why wade through them.

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james_:

jamesd__, Kworld ATSC 110, and Twinhan 103g DVB

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kormoc:

james_, so the small screen is okay?

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ajh:

hrm, another thing that would be useful is the ability to 'catch up' a series.

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ajh:

i.e. set a date before which all episodes are marked watched automatically.

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james_:

kormoc, not really but my pc requires passwords to get on, and the drive is partitioned as ext3. andwould need a linux OS to read it (unless they had the ext3 for windows installed but they don't know that much about computers)

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amrit|wfh:

hey guys. i moved houses recently, and when i moved my computers to the new location, it seems that myth just completely stopped recording scheduled shows. when i try to schedule more, upon setting for example "record only this showing" and hitting save, i see no change in the program guide to indicate that it will be recorded.

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amrit|wfh:

i also see no errors from mythfrontend or mythbackend. can someone suggest some things to look into?

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kormoc:

james_, they don't know that much about comptuers (yet) :P

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james_:

kormoc, exactly, but they would need to know what fs is the partition and I don't tell them that

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ajh:

So, channels not in the guide seem to still show in the search lists.

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ajh:

because I know I have no Polish channels, yet in the listing there are polish shows and they don't show what channel they're on, sounds like a bug.

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amrit|wfh:

hm, other weirdness: in live tv, i hit r to record something. i then go back to Watch Recordings. the thing is recording, but its name doesn't show up highlighted like previously. it seems to think it' already finished, even though it is continuing to record. i also can't figure out how to stop it now. :)

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amrit|wfh:

very confused now.

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kbidd:

im having some resolution problems. When I start up mythtv, my resolution gets set to 1280x1024. When I switch to live tv, it reajusts correctly to 2056x1024. Why is mythtv changing the resolution when the frontend starts (It is set to run in windowed mode, not fullscreen)?

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esoteric|work:

evening

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esoteric|work:

I need some help with lirc if anyone is around that has had experience with it

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cesman:

hello esoteric|work

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cesman:

esoteric|work: detail you issue, if someone can help, hopefully they will chime in

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kbidd:

(and if they don't chime in, be patient, usually someone will eventually look at their screen who has experiance with the features youre using)

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esoteric|work:

irw reports all my keys on my remote working, however a few of them don't trigger the keys that are mapped in the config

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esoteric|work:

I can't figure out why

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Dagmar:

Probably reading comprehension

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esoteric|work:

nm, just figured it out, (go figure)

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Dagmar:

What'd I say

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Dagmar:

Just gotta read carefully

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Dagmar:

There so much fiddling complexity in those things, it's easy to have an eye-strain moment and think you're looking at something you're not.

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