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Wednesday, April 16th, 2008, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:51] Huijari: should videocodec and audiocodec be something other than NULL in recordingprofiles table?
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[00:10:02] Huijari: ahh, now i found the right settings \o/
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[00:28:00] SlicerDicer: OMFG kormoc
[00:28:08] SlicerDicer: I guess I got through to their heads at cableone
[00:28:21] SlicerDicer: NO CHANNELS have 5C anymore BWA HA HA HA YAHHAHAA!!!
[00:28:28] kormoc: Awesome :)
[00:28:43] SlicerDicer: thats so awesome
[00:28:51] SlicerDicer: I just got to figure out why recordings die on firewire record
[00:28:59] SlicerDicer: and why core keeps dumping on myth when I try to watch HDTV
[00:29:01] xris: SlicerDicer: die how?
[00:29:08] xris: I get a lot of failed firewire recordings
[00:29:09] xris: zero bytes
[00:29:20] SlicerDicer: xris: well it will either record... and then fail somewhere in the program
[00:29:31] SlicerDicer: so I did a test recording WTC
[00:29:38] SlicerDicer: and it failed with 586mb recorded
[00:29:48] SlicerDicer: no way a 2.5 hour movie is 586mb heh..
[00:29:53] xris: hmm
[00:30:05] SlicerDicer: it will either do that or spam a buncha shit and then coredump
[00:30:11] SlicerDicer: I would have to copy/paste what its doing
[00:32:01] SlicerDicer: but xris I dont run the backend via a /etc/init.d script
[00:32:05] SlicerDicer: I manually run it right now
[00:32:22] SlicerDicer: As soon as I try to record via firewire or watch firewire for some reason its crashing
[00:32:25] SlicerDicer: coredump
[00:32:54] SlicerDicer: I am watching live HDTV right now to see whats going on and if it dies
[00:33:03] SlicerDicer: say like somewhere withen the next 2 hours or something
[00:33:05] SlicerDicer: just random death
[00:33:11] SlicerDicer: maybe the cableboxes are overheating?
[00:33:15] SlicerDicer: I have them jammed in a tight box
[00:33:28] SlicerDicer: less than inch of clearance on top and 2 of them
[00:33:41] xris: mine crashes occasionally, too. though I'm not running the qt4 stuff yet.
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[00:35:47] iamlindoro: xris: I'm sure you know or have tried this, but Greyfoxx mentioned turning off firewire bus reset and it worked perfectly for me afterwards-- had a lot of failed before and all worked since then
[00:36:06] xris: turning off?
[00:36:11] iamlindoro: yup
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[00:36:23] xris: I get better performance by killing/restarting the backend
[00:36:28] xris: but I can't do that after each record.
[00:36:30] iamlindoro: I had about 40% failure rate with it on-- turned it off and 100% success
[00:36:35] xris: for all I know, it's a bug in fedora's drivers.
[00:36:38] xris: how do you turn it off?
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[00:36:48] iamlindoro: It's in General in mythtv-setup IIRC
[00:37:11] iamlindoro: Yup, page three, last checkbox
[00:37:57] iamlindoro: In other good news, the six new HD channels I got today are all 5C free, so yay that... now I just need SD to catch up so I get listings
[00:37:59] iamlindoro: :)
[00:39:14] xris: iamlindoro: slick.
[00:39:28] iamlindoro: Yeah, now I can stop complaining about lacking SciFi HD :)
[00:39:35] XPertKnobTwiddlr: what is 5C ?
[00:39:37] xris: I found that TMS didn't update all of the local headends with info when I got new channels.. if you have multiple potential headends listed for your area, you might try switching around between them
[00:39:42] xris: XPertKnobTwiddlr: cable encryption
[00:39:55] iamlindoro: xris: I'll take a look at that, thanks
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[00:40:11] XPertKnobTwiddlr: oh! .... so ~5C --> clear qam ?
[00:40:22] XPertKnobTwiddlr: er, i mean, "not 5C" implies clear qam ?
[00:41:20] Hilikus: hey guys, is there a guide on how to improve image quality?? i cranked the bitrate to ~8000–9000 and the image still looks blurry, there's like a ghost effect, im not sure how to explain it
[00:42:42] xris: Hilikus: what kind of encoder/tuner?
[00:42:51] Hilikus: pvr150
[00:43:04] Hilikus: with an stb
[00:43:17] Hilikus: to stb, pc, pc tv
[00:45:24] Hilikus: im guessing the stb is unscrambling the signal so i cant connect the cable directly to the pc, right
[00:51:02] iamlindoro: Hilikus: You can go straight to the capture card, but you'll only get what's broadcast in analog, generally the first 80–100 channels in the lineup, analogous to the most basic level of cable
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[00:51:31] JaminCollins: hoping somene here can help me isolate/correct an oddity I'm seeing in mythweb's upcoming recording interface. The listing includes two programs from last month.
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[00:51:43] Hilikus: mm i see
[00:51:44] JaminCollins: I've checked this using two different browsers to rule out browser cache being the issue... both browsers show the same listing
[00:51:58] Hilikus: so even with a tivo you still need to use a stb??
[00:52:43] iamlindoro: Hilikus: The most recent Tivos will accept a cable card, the older ones, yes, need a STB and IR Blaster
[00:53:03] Hilikus: because i suspect the blurry artifact comes from analog to digital (stb out to pc in) and digital to analog (pc out to tv in) conversions
[00:53:25] Hilikus: i believe that because i cranked up the encoding bitrate and it still looks bad
[00:53:32] SlicerDicer: xris: sorry went afk for second
[00:53:51] Hilikus: well, not BAD, but it is noticeable, and its killing me watching the playoffs like that
[00:53:51] iamlindoro: Analog looks awful in general, the generational losses certainly don't help
[00:53:52] SlicerDicer: ahh you can turn off the firewire bus reset?
[00:54:00] iamlindoro: Yes
[00:54:10] SlicerDicer: I wrote a script xris that runs to prime the firewire and checks to see if there is a recording.. I dont need bus reset
[00:54:12] iamlindoro: Hilikus: PS, Go Sharks ;)
[00:54:49] Hilikus: hehe im rooting for the canadian team, but the sharks have been really good this season
[00:54:51] kormoc: Go Panthers! :P
[00:54:54] SlicerDicer: xris: I need to post that script up on the wiki heh
[00:55:03] ** kormoc has no idea what sport is even playing off **
[00:55:20] SlicerDicer: python that checks the DB to see if the encoders are active if they are it waits 30 mins then trys again till nothing is recording then primes the firewire heh
[00:55:22] iamlindoro: Hilikus: I have a beer with a cute girl riding on the sharks tonight-- I want that beer. But even if they lose I get to buy her one, sooooo
[00:55:48] Hilikus: hehehe nice
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[00:56:10] SlicerDicer: xris: with the script I have I never had failed recordings EVER :)
[00:56:15] SlicerDicer: so it must be that bus reset thing
[00:56:25] xris: SlicerDicer: yeah. or post it in a ticket for me so I can put it in contrib
[00:56:38] SlicerDicer: alright xris will do that
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[00:58:27] xris: SlicerDicer: I try some of that with firewire-tester, but still have issues.
[00:59:30] SlicerDicer: yeah the script I wrote depends on firewire-tester
[00:59:48] SlicerDicer: and requires a location for it however once you edit the location its fine
[00:59:57] SlicerDicer: I guess I should write entire instructions in the script of how to use it
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[01:48:19] Hilikus: iamlindoro should i have the xorg resolution match the recording resolution (720X480) ? would that improve quality since there's no "transformation" from video record to video playback?
[01:49:36] iamlindoro: Hilikus: If you're doing TV out w/ s-video or composite, that's generally what is recommended, but some people see differing results and decide to set Xorg resolutions of 800x600, 1024x768, etc.
[01:49:58] Hilikus: k, ill try that then
[01:49:59] Hilikus: thanks
[01:50:09] iamlindoro: np
[01:50:20] Hilikus: btw, canadiens won! woohoo
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[02:00:11] PatrickDK: heh, screw svideo/composite out, love dvi
[02:04:33] J-e-f-f-A: PatrickDK: Yeah, no kidding... I've been running VGA output for the last two years.... Blows away s-video and composite... (dvi would be better, but I don't have a HD set yet... just a 27" computer monitor atm... ;-) )
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[02:05:01] PatrickDK: I have a 24" hdtv in the bedroom I use
[02:05:22] PatrickDK: the living room is getting a 42" hdtv probably in 2 weeks, once the wife makes a choice
[02:05:38] PatrickDK: and I just use computer lcd's down here
[02:05:42] J-e-f-f-A: PatrickDK: My 27" crt only does 800x600, but I run it in widescreen – about 25" widescreen, at 'almost hd' quality...  ;-)
[02:05:47] PatrickDK: one for me, and one for the kid
[02:06:09] J-e-f-f-A: PatrickDK: The price was right — FREE! (Work upgraded to a 32" lcd)... ;-)
[02:06:10] PatrickDK: heh, I run my 24" hdtv at 1280x720p
[02:06:27] PatrickDK: ya, I hate large computer screens
[02:06:30] PatrickDK: cause the res sucks ass
[02:07:59] J-e-f-f-A: PatrickDK: Yeah, I agree... for a computer monitor it's not the greatest – for TV, it's excellent... No interlace flicker, etc... ;-) I've got a 37" crt in the living room — it does 1024x768... ;-) That's closer to HD... ;-) (That was free too, for the same reason)
[02:10:48] PatrickDK: ya, I went through the hdtv screens for the living room, and gave the wife a list of good ones to pick from
[02:10:55] PatrickDK: she uses that tv, I never do
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[02:18:00] ** J-e-f-f-A just picked up what looks to be a great backend 'tweener' motherboard... Asus M2N-E — AMD AM2 – 3x PCI – 4x PCIe (1-x16, 1-x4, 2-x1) – DDR2 800 – Audio – Serial (good for blasters!) – Parallel (good for lcd!) – 6x SATAII ... Looks like it will be a GREAT board!!! ;-) **
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[02:24:45] PatrickDK: I need to get something like that for a new backend server
[02:24:55] PatrickDK: but I want quadcore support atleast
[02:28:56] wagner_: 'at least'? are you considering a xeon or something?
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[02:30:27] PatrickDK: I thought xeons have been dead for some time
[02:30:58] PatrickDK: just need some good cpu power, so the backend can do transcoding
[02:31:16] J-e-f-f-A:
[02:31:16] J-e-f-f-A:
[02:31:17] J-e-f-f-A:
[02:31:22] J-e-f-f-A:
[02:31:27] J-e-f-f-A:
[02:31:32] J-e-f-f-A: wagner_: Nah, he wants a "Core 2 Quad" or AMD Phenom...  ;-)
[02:31:39] J-e-f-f-A: ^^^ what the heck?
[02:31:40] wagner_: well i mean youre not going to get better than quadcore unless you use xeons or opterons
[02:31:50] opello: some blank lines
[02:32:09] wagner_: you mean you at least want support for a quadcore, not that you need at least quadcore?
[02:32:38] PatrickDK: I said I want quadcore support atleast
[02:32:53] PatrickDK: so any motherboard that doesn't support quadcore is not going be looked at
[02:33:09] wagner_: right, i misinterpreted that
[02:33:26] wagner_: anyway, what do you need a lot of power in a backend for?
[02:33:29] PatrickDK: I'll probably end up with a server motherboard
[02:33:39] PatrickDK: wagner, I answered that too, transcoding
[02:34:02] wagner_: i seem to be really out of it at the moment....
[02:34:48] kormoc: PatrickDK, I like intel brand mobos, followed by MSI
[02:35:01] PatrickDK: I hate msi
[02:35:18] PatrickDK: I have probably 20 intel motherboards, but then 17 of those are server boards
[02:35:26] wagner_: ive got an MSI in my desktop that i need to get around to RMAing
[02:35:39] wagner_: memory controller is bad, unstable after it heats up
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[02:36:23] PatrickDK: more than likely I will end up with a tyan or supermicro motherboard
[02:37:02] kormoc: I'm not a tyan fan personally
[02:37:50] wagner_: my machine at work is a supermicro, never had any issues with it
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[02:40:34] SlicerDicer: kormoc: could always redo capaciters like I did :)
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[03:28:38] blink: does anybody here have experience with dual graphics cards, each running it's own seperate X session, one set as desktop with window manager and the other as mythfrontend?
[03:29:29] elg: i have an SD analog tv. That's an interlaced device, and I assume the video card automatically interlaces? so a 30hz signal gets interlaced to half field at 60hz?
[03:30:25] PatrickDK: the video card only automatically interlaces if you have an svideo or composite port your using on it
[03:30:42] PatrickDK: and it's a 29.97hz signal
[03:30:54] elg: right.
[03:30:57] elg: yes, s-video out
[03:31:01] PatrickDK: well, 59.94hz really
[03:31:04] PatrickDK: 29.94 fps
[03:31:23] elg: so then what happens with an interlaced signal? say the station is 480i
[03:31:49] elg: is myth/the video card able to output the interlaced signal as-is to the tv, or does it get played back as full frames and reinterlaced by the video card?
[03:31:52] PatrickDK: 480i? that would be 720x480x59.94i
[03:32:13] PatrickDK: it gets played at full frames and re-interlaces
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[03:32:27] PatrickDK: cause the speed the computer is playing the video might not be the same speed the tv is going
[03:32:33] PatrickDK: and timing might not be the same
[03:32:38] elg: does that work, or does it just look awful?
[03:32:41] PatrickDK: and we have no way to know what would be the same
[03:32:51] PatrickDK: that is what de-interlacing is for
[03:33:08] elg: so even if the TV is interlaced, you should deinterlace
[03:33:14] PatrickDK: 480i -> de-interlace -> video card -> svideo/composite -> tv
[03:33:34] PatrickDK: yep, or it could look horrid on the tv
[03:33:38] kormoc: elg, personally, I never deinterlaced for my tv-out
[03:33:43] PatrickDK: and it would be random if it looks good, or not
[03:33:46] kormoc: it looked better non-deitnerlacing
[03:33:55] kormoc: but nvidia cards have some hardware magic to make it work
[03:34:01] PatrickDK: that all depends and a crapload of stuff :)
[03:34:09] elg: so try it and see :)
[03:34:10] PatrickDK: but generally you want to de-interlace
[03:34:34] elg: is the deinterlacing done as part of transcoding?
[03:34:40] kormoc: elg, no
[03:34:43] kormoc: per playback
[03:35:19] elg: hm, that's too bad. it would be nice to take that cpu hit during transcoding
[03:35:45] PatrickDK: it can be done during transcoding
[03:36:03] PatrickDK: but then your just trading that for extra work for playback to decode the video
[03:36:46] elg: 29.97 fps either way, right?
[03:36:49] kormoc: PatrickDK, why? once you de-interlace, you can half the framerate....
[03:37:18] PatrickDK: kormoc, I dunno, attempting to sleep here :)
[03:37:38] PatrickDK: don't make me think so much :)
[03:38:54] PatrickDK: oh, I have the whole interlaced 24fps -> 30fps thing stuck in my head I'm thinking about
[03:43:34] kormoc: ahh
[03:45:20] elg: you halve the framerate, but double the vertical resolution
[03:45:31] elg: the question is which is more efficient
[03:49:13] ** kormoc shrugs **
[03:50:18] PatrickDK: I personally say screw it and do all playback at 60fps
[03:54:55] kormoc: I'm gonna start playing everything back at 1x1 @921,600 FPS
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[04:19:37] deadlyninja: using .21, im getting this error "/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/centauri/1091_20080415092441. mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed." in my logfile. it seems mythtv can create files but cannot delete them, anyone know what should be done?
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[04:32:29] iamlindoro: GO SHARKS
[04:32:39] iamlindoro: Suck it, Calgary
[04:35:12] hads: yawn
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[04:40:28] deadlyninja: the only thing i can find on google with "/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON" is a single reply saying the storage directories are set up wrong, but my setup is very simple and as user mythtv i can both write and delete from it
[04:41:43] clever: deadlyninja: is your hostname centauri?
[04:41:53] deadlyninja: yeah
[04:41:56] deadlyninja: clever, yeah
[04:42:00] clever: id expect it to get that error for any access
[04:42:02] clever: including reading
[04:42:15] clever: from the way i beleive the path lookup stuff works
[04:42:18] deadlyninja: are you saying that setting it to localhost might work/
[04:42:42] clever: the files are labled as to what host they belong to
[04:42:53] deadlyninja: ill try setting to localhost, it might break the other frontends but its at least a start
[04:42:54] clever: thru the override in mysql.txt or the result of the hostname command
[04:43:10] iamlindoro: The error is there because the file *doesn't* exist. cd path/to/your/recording/dir.... "touch 1091_20080415092441.mpg"... wait 15 minutes until it next tries to delete it, the end
[04:43:16] clever: and if your hostname changes then the backend might start having trouble because of that
[04:43:21] deadlyninja: iamlindoro, the file DOES exist
[04:43:35] clever: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/ is just a false name
[04:43:36] clever: for an error
[04:43:48] clever: the thing cant report the error properly so it just gives a fake path
[04:43:52] deadlyninja: clever, yes i know but in in my storage directory the file does exist
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[04:44:55] clever: id expect the front&backend to have the same trouble finding the path name
[04:45:03] clever: try playing a file next time it fails to delete
[04:45:29] deadlyninja: clever, i can play it as well
[04:45:40] clever: odd
[04:45:55] deadlyninja: i wonder if x86_64 is the problem
[04:46:07] clever: no 64bit systems here so i wouldnt know
[04:46:20] clever: ive bearly got any multi core systems either
[04:46:23] clever: only a single c2d
[04:46:39] kormoc: deadlyninja, I'm running 64bit just fine
[04:46:51] deadlyninja: kormoc, which version of myth are you using?
[04:46:58] deadlyninja: kormoc, and which distro?
[04:47:25] kormoc: deadlyninja, -trunk, right after the -0.21-fixes branched, and Gentoo
[04:47:38] iamlindoro_: I also run Multiple myth systems on x86_64 debian and ubuntu, on .21ish. Deletes are fine here.
[04:47:43] kormoc: I've been running -trunk for months, so 0.21 should be fine
[04:48:03] deadlyninja: kormoc, im using gentoo with package.keywords <mythtv-0.22
[04:48:50] kormoc: deadlyninja, I'd check your database, make sure it's not crashed and make sure the file info it has is correct
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[05:19:09] Landon: is there a way to stop livetv recording
[05:19:19] Landon: it seems that my computer hs been recording the scifi channel for the past few days
[05:19:27] Landon: and filled up several hundred gigs \
[05:19:32] Khonshu3: because you been watching it?
[05:19:48] Landon: no, its just been recording without a frontend
[05:19:49] kormoc: Landon, it will autoexpire
[05:19:52] Khonshu3: you can have it expire live tv faster
[05:19:59] Khonshu3: if it's bothering you
[05:20:05] Landon: that's not the problem, as I speak it's still recording livetv
[05:20:10] Khonshu3: but it kinda has to record live, hence the pvr functionality
[05:20:17] anenigma: this happened to me once, too
[05:20:23] Landon: I've tried restarting the backend but it wouldnt stop
[05:20:32] Khonshu3: ahaa
[05:20:42] anenigma: myth crashed while watching livetv, and the backend kept thinking i was watching. except mine was fixed when i restarted the backend
[05:20:50] Landon: >.<
[05:20:57] Khonshu3: I've seen this too, a restart fixed mine as well
[05:23:02] Landon: oho whoops
[05:23:15] Landon: I restarted it, but there was an actual recording for the scifi channel when I did :)
[05:23:40] Landon: it shouldn't be stuck on livetv anymore though, right?
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[05:26:10] mintee_: lo all
[05:26:37] mintee_: is there a way vista can see the mythbox via upnp?
[05:26:51] mintee_: i don't care about visa versa
[05:28:11] tank-man: ...
[05:29:04] mintee_: !!!
[05:30:10] tank-man: those dots are tumble weed going by when you mentioned vista
[05:31:31] mintee_: those '!' were crazy people dieing when they seen the tumbleweeds '.' because I didn't ask a question about XP and uPNP
[05:31:33] iamlindoro_: VMP should see a Myth .21 backend fine via uPnP out of the box. I'm going to bed.
[05:31:48] mintee_: night iamlindoro
[05:32:03] ** mintee_ should goto sleep as well... **
[05:32:31] iamlindoro_: But there should be no hand waving or magic necessary-- just pull up Vista Media Player, and you should be able to navigate to your backend if it's .21
[05:32:51] iamlindoro_: anyway, night
[05:33:50] mintee_: it is .21, but no go... seriously, goto sleep... I'll figure this out tomorrow
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[05:40:06] marmoset_: I had a problem during the upgrade to .21, and there's some mysql tables that didn't get upgraded, and I'm not complete sure what — is there a current schema somewhere besides embedded in the source, or better yet does anyone know of a script that will dump/recreate/import dbs?
[05:45:42] mintee_: my 2 cent is start over. :P
[05:45:45] mintee_: <-- n00b
[05:45:53] marmoset_: there is a lot of data ;)
[05:46:13] Landon: landon@landon:/usr/share/mythtv/sql$
[05:46:16] Landon: checked there?
[05:46:41] Landon: seems to be a few sql scripts
[05:50:37] ** mintee_ just wants to watch his recorded videos on his new vista tablet without having to go all cifs with it **
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[06:07:16] marmoset_: Landon: nothing but mc.sql there for me, probably a packaging thing, but I didn't see anything in the source dist in contrib/ that did it
[06:07:58] marmoset_: I did find someone saying to just mysqldump, drop the database, cat mc.sql to create the db, run mythtv-setup to create the tables, then quit mythtv-setup and then reimport the dump
[06:08:01] marmoset_: so I'll try that I guess
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[06:09:27] Anduin: marmoset_: that would do it
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[06:33:19] marmoset_: damn, I knew I shouldn't have trusted mysqldump
[06:33:57] Saviq: yeah mysql is evil
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[07:20:09] clever: Saviq: i was thinking about how to go about switching over to sqlite
[07:20:14] clever: but it complicates a few things
[07:20:40] clever: if you dont use a networked fs youll need to relay all sql querys to the master
[07:21:44] clever: wont be dead simple
[07:22:32] clever: but it would also make db backups alot simpler
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[08:12:59] directhex|bsp: clever, sqlite doesn't have the performance needed by myth
[08:13:37] clever: directhex|bsp: the locking delays or scaning thru the whole damn program table?
[08:13:58] clever: one of the major problems if that any write action locks the database
[08:15:19] Dibblah: clever: The big ugly query, mainly.
[08:15:39] clever: large 30 line querys?
[08:17:01] Dibblah: Yes, the scheduler query.
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[08:17:39] clever: ahh
[08:17:45] clever: havent dug into how that beast works yet
[08:18:01] Dibblah: Part of the problem is that the database has almost literally no normalisation.
[08:18:31] Dibblah: ie tables have grown organically.
[08:18:41] clever: need to redesign a few things?
[08:21:15] clever: i'll have to clone my db to sqlite and play with the sched query to see where the problems are
[08:22:04] clever: -v schedule,database away!
[08:22:17] clever: though -v database is broken it seems in qt4
[08:22:19] clever: 2008-04–16 05:22:15.579 MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = ? AND hostname = ? ;
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[08:26:49] clever: 2008-04–16 05:23:05.351 MSqlQuery: SELECT recordid,search,subtitle,description FROM record WHERE search <> 0 AND (recordid = -1 OR -1 = -1)
[08:26:52] clever: :S
[08:26:53] clever: wtf
[08:26:59] clever: why compare -1 to -1
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[08:28:10] Dibblah: That's not the raw query.
[08:28:22] Dibblah: Look in the code.
[08:29:00] clever: %4 = -1
[08:29:07] Dibblah: Or rather, that's the query part-way through evaluation.
[08:29:13] clever: and recordid probly comes out to -1 sometimes
[08:29:14] Dibblah: Since some of it is done in code.
[08:29:44] clever: im lucky i even found the query that fast:P
[08:30:46] Dibblah: BTW, that's not the BUQ.
[08:30:53] clever: this query apparts to be build using QString and .arg
[08:30:58] clever: BUQ?
[08:31:05] Dibblah: Big Ugly...
[08:31:10] clever: yeah
[08:31:20] clever: but it was an odd one i noticed on the way to the buq
[08:31:37] clever: 2008-04–16 05:23:17.162 MSqlQuery: INSERT INTO upnpmedia (intid, class, itemtype, parentid, itemproperties, filepath, filename, title, coverart) VALUES (?, ?, 'FILE', ?, '', ?, ?, ?, ?)
[08:31:43] clever: log has many pages of that one
[08:31:55] clever: which i suspect is being built using bind on the query
[08:32:01] clever: instead of QString and .arg()
[08:32:07] Dibblah: Bind is correct.
[08:32:38] Dibblah: It's possible that the verbose is broken, though.
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[08:32:56] clever: yes
[08:33:12] clever: ever since the qt4 upgrade -v database seems to be broken for binded values in querys
[08:33:20] clever: its only output the place holders
[08:33:57] janneg: clever: that's unfortunately qt4 new behaviour
[08:34:05] clever: 2008-04–16 05:23:36.821 Scheduled 537 items in 30.9 = 0.42 match + 30.49 place
[08:34:18] clever: went thru the entire log and didnt see any realy big querys
[08:34:37] janneg: and I suspect that 'FILE' should be replaced with a bound value
[08:35:02] clever: some of them used 'FOLDER'
[08:35:16] clever: and if i remember correctly the bind key shouldnt be quoted
[08:35:28] clever: it gets escaped&quoted automaticaly
[08:36:00] clever: but i have found a query which takes up nearly an entire page
[08:36:17] clever: whoa
[08:36:20] clever: when/then
[08:36:25] clever: never seen those before!
[08:36:37] janneg: no, it is intended an correct
[08:37:09] clever: looks allmost like some basic programing language in the query
[08:37:30] clever: line 2645 of scheduler.cpp
[08:37:31] janneg: clever: please paste the message before "MSqlQuery: INSERT INTO upnpmedia"
[08:37:43] clever: janneg: name thing, 5000 times
[08:37:59] clever: 2008-04–16 05:23:15.194 MSqlQuery: DELETE FROM upnpmedia WHERE class = ?
[08:37:59] clever: 2008-04–16 05:23:15.195 UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan starting in :/media/videos/:
[08:38:02] clever: 2008-04–16 05:23:15.203 MSqlQuery: INSERT INTO upnpmedia (intid, class, itemtype, parentid, itemproperties, filepath, filename, title, coverart) VALUES (?, ?, 'FOLDER', ?, '', ?, ?, ?, ?)
[08:38:06] clever: thats about how it starts
[08:39:14] janneg: I can't see what's wrong with the query
[08:39:26] clever: yeah nothing that seems to be wrong
[08:39:34] clever: it was just an example of how the binding is broken
[08:39:35] clever: in -v
[08:39:52] clever: upnp loves to spamage my logs to death
[08:40:00] clever: made it imposible to notice the BUQ
[08:40:21] clever: Scheduler::AddNewRecords seems to be the mother of it
[08:41:00] clever: lol
[08:41:06] clever: its over a page long in the source
[08:41:15] clever: and my xterm is 169 lines high
[08:43:26] clever: ive never even heard of WHEN/THEN/CASE but sqlite does appear to support them
[08:45:20] clever: never even knew sql had flow control to it
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[10:51:21] elliot42: could someone help me setup the chromakey osd, I've just got xvmc working and have a grey osd and can't find where any settings for the chromakey osd thing are.
[10:53:56] GreyFoxx: It's in your playback profile
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[10:58:11] elliot42: under Setup > Tv Settings > Playback ?? I can't see anything that says chromakey
[10:58:18] elliot42: which option do i need?
[10:59:15] elliot42: I can't see an osd fade-out option either, and i thought there was one there
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[11:04:11] justinh: and then there were even less. one more guy is leaving next month. I should _really_ look at moving too
[11:05:30] Dagmar: Could be worse
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[11:05:46] Dagmar: You could be as dumb as this guy http://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/643822809.html
[11:07:51] despen: I want to try mythtv, which is the best liveCD for doing that? I have a AF9015 dvb-t usb stick..
[11:08:21] cesman: despen: there is no live CD that functions out the box as a backend
[11:08:23] justinh: there's no livecd you can try all of mythtv with
[11:09:11] cesman: cesman: while in theory it is possible w/ KnoppMyth, I've not done the work as _I_think_ MythTV should be installed
[11:09:19] cesman: crap
[11:09:27] cesman: I'm not trying to talk to myself
[11:09:31] despen: (=
[11:09:38] cesman: should have slept longer
[11:09:45] justinh: talking to yourself is the first sign of genius cesman :)
[11:09:47] elliot42: any more ideas on how to enable chromakey osd ?
[11:09:52] cesman: lol
[11:10:06] cesman: justinh: maybe I'm on to something ;)
[11:10:50] cesman: despen: how will you record on a liveCD?
[11:11:38] cesman: despen: again, in theory it is possible, you'll just have to have lots of RAM or mount a hard drive
[11:11:56] justinh: Dagmar: that craigslist advertiser is worthy of an award if real
[11:12:17] despen: cesman: I just wanted to try liveTV and look at the interface and such.
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[11:13:11] cesman: despen: in that case KnoppMyth
[11:13:42] cesman: despen: it's the best, but don't take my word of it as I'm bias (since I started it ;)
[11:13:45] justinh: why not try it & then be disappointed it doesn't yet have a chess plugin... :P
[11:16:15] Dagmar: justinh: I'm just astonished the guy actually thinks his stereo is a computer
[11:16:45] cesman: I missed that conversation...
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[11:17:31] ** justinh is wary of anybody with .cust.bredbandsbolaget.se in their name.. is all **
[11:18:44] Dagmar: cesman: Scroll up a bit and look at the craigslist ad I linked
[11:19:10] Dagmar: Definitely a redneck
[11:19:26] Dagmar: ...and I actually nominated that one for Best of Craigslist
[11:19:27] Dagmar: heh
[11:19:35] cesman: lol!
[11:19:40] cesman: interesting
[11:20:00] justinh: I want twin autoreverse tape decks for my PC :(
[11:20:55] Dagmar: Thermaltake only makes single deck units.
[11:22:24] elliot42: any more ideas on how to enable chromakey osd ?
[11:22:32] justinh: this one is described as 'idiot proof'. I beg to differ ... http://www.firebox.com/product/1700
[11:23:07] directhex|bsp: justinh, what's not idiot proof about 5.25" bay drives?
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[11:23:38] justinh: elliot42: best way is to avoid xvmc then you won't need chromakey OSD. and AFAIK chromakey OSD doesn't work on all nvidia GPUs anyway
[11:23:46] directhex|bsp: justinh, anyway, you want http://www.ion-audio.com/tape2pc
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[11:25:16] bobo43254: salve a tutti
[11:25:23] bobo43254: vorrei qualche info
[11:25:27] bobo43254: qualcuno è disponibile?
[11:26:33] bobo43254: can somebody helps me??
[11:26:38] elliot42: justdave, i'm using a 4 series card so it should work fine from what i've read
[11:27:30] justinh: !trout lazypeople autocomplete
[11:27:30] ** MythLogBot slaps lazypeople with a autocomplete trout on behalf of justinh... **
[11:27:51] bobo43254: vorrei configurare mythtv per vedere la tv in streming
[11:27:59] bobo43254: ma non ho idea di come fare.....
[11:28:25] justinh: I blame the windows port for all this
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[11:28:49] elliot42: and well, xvcm ill take some load of of my underpowered cpu
[11:28:54] bobo43254: no-one helps poor bobo......
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[11:29:17] bobo43254: how i can configure mythtv to view streaming tv??
[11:29:28] bobo43254: i had no idea....
[11:30:04] directhex|bsp: what kind of streaming tv?
[11:30:18] bobo43254: film
[11:30:33] Dagmar: o.O
[11:30:55] bobo43254: any type of tv
[11:31:09] Dagmar: It doesn't.
[11:31:14] bobo43254: i need a software config. information
[11:31:19] directhex|bsp: fuck it, can't be bothered with this one.
[11:31:22] Dagmar: You need a clue. MythTV is a PVR.
[11:31:27] bobo43254: aaaah
[11:31:30] Dagmar: It's not a "streaming media application"
[11:31:49] bobo43254: you mean "clue" does it.??
[11:31:54] Dagmar: You need http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ at a guess.
[11:32:17] bobo43254: hmm, thanks XD
[11:36:27] despen: have anyone used an xbox as frontend for mythtv? Do I need to install Linux on it or can I use xbmc?
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[11:37:22] cesman: despen: I believe you can go either route
[11:37:40] cesman: despen: the wiki (or archive) may have more information
[11:40:01] directhex|bsp: xbmc svn has "native" support for myth
[11:40:06] directhex|bsp: though it didn't work for me last i tried
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[11:40:19] directhex|bsp: there's also an xbmc script, for myth 0.20
[11:42:16] despen: cesman: can you use a CAM on the backend or is it only FTA possible?
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[11:54:39] cesman: despen: Sorry, I don't know much about 'CAMs'
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[11:54:48] cesman: despen: I'm in the US
[11:55:24] cesman: despen: a 'CAM' is like a cablecard isn't it?
[11:55:25] nevyn: yes you can use a CAM with a DVB-S reciever certainly.
[11:55:56] despen: nevyn: Yes, but as I can't interface the cam to the xbox I need the backend to do the decoding.
[11:56:22] despen: cesman: ok..
[11:56:26] Dagmar: It's not possible to do it on the frontend
[11:56:43] Dagmar: That's not part of what a frontend is supposed to do.
[11:59:21] nevyn: ummm...
[11:59:30] nevyn: despen: that's how it'd work
[11:59:35] nevyn: see..
[11:59:49] nevyn: decoding.. usually means displaying mpeg.
[11:59:55] despen: Dagmar: ah, good... Then it would be possible use the xbox to watch the non-fta channels.
[11:59:55] nevyn: what you mean is decrypting
[12:00:05] despen: nevyn: Yes, sir (=
[12:00:16] nevyn: as en encoded mpeg data
[12:00:52] nevyn: scrambled content or encrypted stream are terms for the off the air stuff.
[12:02:17] nevyn: despen: in such a myth system the backend (running linux) would dump mpeg2 video to disk after unscrambling it using a suitable subscriber card in a cam.
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[12:03:07] Dagmar: despen: Read this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview
[12:03:17] Dagmar: THen it should become obvious what parts of the system are supposed to be doing what.,
[12:03:56] despen: Dagmar: Thanks
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[12:10:20] nevyn: the overview has two lines regarding his specific issue and it's not talking about doing it the way he wants to.
[12:15:01] directhex|bsp: Dagmar, needs major updating IMHO
[12:15:55] nevyn: can mythfrontend send updates to a different database connect to selects?
[12:16:05] directhex|bsp: despen, generally speaking, hardware CAMs work fine (when connected to a tv card with its own physical CI slot), but there's no access to the CAM menu from inside myth, if you need it
[12:16:17] nevyn: cause it does a LOT of selects which could be serviced from a local replica
[12:22:35] GreyFoxx: nevyn: No
[12:22:42] GreyFoxx: myth uses 1 database for everything
[12:23:21] GreyFoxx: myth caches settings internally so it wont reselect them unless something has changed (the settings table specifically)
[12:23:52] GreyFoxx: and enabling mysql query caching keeps those in ram in mysql as well
[12:23:52] GreyFoxx: it's not a lot of load
[12:23:59] GreyFoxx: the only really big thing is the scheduling query
[12:25:15] directhex|bsp: how abotu recordedseek? that's my biggest table
[12:25:42] GreyFoxx: It's a big table, but not much cpu to query
[12:25:54] GreyFoxx: when I said " big" I meant cpu intensive :)
[12:26:04] directhex|bsp: throw more xeons at the problem
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[13:04:03] justinh: roflmao @ these incar subs. 1200W ? ORLY. Yeah like those small cables can carry 100A
[13:07:26] ** directhex|bsp plugs a 32A commando into justinh **
[13:08:57] directhex|bsp: god, WHERE DO THEY COME FROM
[13:09:15] directhex|bsp: some twat in #ubuntu-mythtv insists he wants to use an ISA pinnacle card for his media center
[13:10:04] Dagmar: Can you proactively ban him from here?
[13:10:07] Dagmar: Is that even allowed?
[13:10:36] Dagmar: Seems to me like "pinnacle" and "ubuntu" in the same place means the user probably has their own labeled seat on the short bus.
[13:11:56] justinh: ban the twats & who are you left with? mods, developers & a few helpers
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[13:12:36] Dagmar: So?
[13:12:54] justinh: exactly :)
[13:14:33] directhex|bsp: http://cassy.dfmk.hu/~cassy/drivers/TV/pvrhw. . . . 20v_v1.1.jpg
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[13:14:39] directhex|bsp: that's the card he wants to use with myth
[13:15:19] justinh: great!
[13:15:28] justinh: one kickban later...
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[13:16:06] justinh: I wanted to use a cheese-grater but I could't find a way of plugging an aerial into it
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[13:45:19] iamlindoro_: directhex|bsp: Looks like he believes he's found the magic HD capture bullet by digging up a card with VGA in? Whoops, too bad nothing remotely like that will ever ever EVAR fit across ISA bus.... ps, MOAR CHIPZ
[13:47:14] directhex|bsp: <^Willie^> on windows the did use the vga input for make the vga picture sharper .. in linux it can posible be used for other things 2
[13:47:17] directhex|bsp: so "yes" then
[13:48:24] iamlindoro_: The grasping at straws gets more desperately pathetic every day
[13:48:40] sid3windr: dude
[13:48:44] sid3windr: ISA IS -16- bits!!!!11oneone
[13:48:44] sid3windr: ;)
[13:49:05] iamlindoro_: And every, pardon the term, n00b thinks they're going to Google themselves up a solution that hundreds or thousands of people somehow never thought of
[13:49:46] sid3windr: [16|15:10:33] < Dagmar> Seems to me like "pinnacle" and "ubuntu" in the same place means the user probably has their own labeled seat on the short bus.
[13:49:53] sid3windr: pinnacle = bad cards? or..
[13:50:22] iamlindoro_: *sigh* I may have to join #ubuntu-mythtv just for the entertainment value
[13:51:17] iamlindoro_: But what starts off sounding amusing inevitably ends up raising my blood pressure
[13:52:38] directhex|bsp: sid3windr, pinnacle make video capture cards, not tv cards
[13:52:47] sid3windr: ah :)
[13:52:52] sid3windr: I have a pinnacle something something for dvb-t
[13:52:57] sid3windr: seems to work reasonably well
[13:53:01] ** iamlindoro_ makes amusing comment in #ubuntu-mythtv and expects to be treated like random n00b **
[13:53:25] sid3windr: shows up as 00:09.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01)
[13:57:59] justinh: lspci, aka lying bastard
[14:00:51] Dagmar: iamlindoro: Tell them you're having video issues, and when they ask (make them ask) describe scrambled cable to them. Reluctantly.
[14:02:14] iamlindoro_: And only after great delay
[14:02:52] iamlindoro_: whilst simulcasting all questions into #linuxtv, #v4l, #ubuntu, #ubuntu-mythtv, #mythtv, #mythtv-users, #linux, ##linux, ###linux...
[14:03:32] Dagmar: For maximum effect, also join #descramblers and key it
[14:03:42] Dagmar: lol
[14:04:02] Dagmar: Yep. It's opwn
[14:04:22] iamlindoro_: /join #nagra2
[14:04:35] iamlindoro_: hehe
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[14:10:08] justinh: does cack-ng worky? XO
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[14:13:11] iamlindoro_: justinh: What's worse, There have been a few people who have been monopolizing the crap out of the channel lately where I am 1000% certain they are insane sat pirates but they somehow manage to withhold enough info to avoid self incrimination... I've got my eye on 'em, though
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[14:14:13] justinh: FTA ;)
[14:14:34] Dagmar: Well, let's call them out then
[14:14:59] Dagmar: I was too busy playing WoW this weekend, or I'd have probably already called 'em out, subtle cat that I am.
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[14:16:37] iamlindoro_: justinh: Key words include "I have 27 LNBs and 4 dishes and I can't get my DishPro Switch to work right in MythTV, please help."
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[14:22:14] directhex|bsp: i'm pretty pissed at the idea that "FTA" is code for "evil hacky piracy"
[14:22:49] GreyFoxx: yeah, but sometimes to actually means FTA :) Not all are bastards :)
[14:23:25] GreyFoxx: I have 2 dishes in my shed from my last4 move, and plan to pick up a rotor and such and get them on the roof and see what in the clear signals I can get, doesn't mean I'm apirate cause I'll be asking some of those same questions :)
[14:23:53] GreyFoxx: now if I start saying how I have 800+ sat channels then I might be a pirate :)
[14:23:56] directhex|bsp: we know you're secretly the famous greybeard, dead pirate
[14:24:01] directhex|bsp: dread
[14:24:03] directhex|bsp: whoops
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[14:25:29] PatrickDK: heh, but companies have said their in the clear signals are illegal for you to lissen too
[14:25:37] PatrickDK: that I just think is stupid though
[14:25:56] GreyFoxx: PatrickDK: That's too bad for them :)
[14:26:14] PatrickDK: encryption is cheap
[14:26:24] PatrickDK: and then they actually can prove something
[14:26:43] directhex|bsp: i am a firm believer that encrypting satellite or cable is okay
[14:26:59] directhex|bsp: as long as you sell an open standards method of decryption – i.e. a CAM
[14:27:08] GreyFoxx: directhex|bsp: I completely agree
[14:27:21] MilkBoy: and charge 10€/month/card needed =)
[14:27:21] directhex|bsp: i'd happily pay for Sky if they wouldn't sue me for using myth
[14:27:27] MilkBoy: + program fees
[14:27:31] directhex|bsp: or virgin cable
[14:27:45] iamlindoro_: GreyFoxx: Yeah, you're absolutely right-- however, I *don't* believe it when they mention Dish-specific hardware along w/ hundreds of channels along w/ various tuning issues that cry out blank-blank-blank-blank-dash-En-Gee to me
[14:27:48] GreyFoxx: and quite frankly, why yes there are lots of cheap bastards that ewould still use software decryption, MOST of the people doing software decrypt would switch to paying customers if the sat companies allowed them to use a cam
[14:27:58] directhex|bsp: i mean, someone explain this to me: what the FUCK is cablecard all about? what's wrong with CAM?
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[14:29:05] GreyFoxx: If I could call up bell expressvu today, and get an official cam I'd do it right nopw
[14:29:12] iamlindoro_: directhex|bsp: FWIW cablecard is dead too, long live Tru2Way, Zzzzzzzzzzzz....
[14:29:20] directhex|bsp: iamlindoro_, fuck's sake
[14:29:26] directhex|bsp: iamlindoro_, CAM is GOOD ENOUGH
[14:29:39] iamlindoro_: directhex|bsp: You're preaching to the choir, my friend
[14:29:53] directhex|bsp: third parties make NDS CAMs that work fine – if their use was enocuraged, it'd help kill sat piracy in the UK and elsewhere
[14:30:08] MilkBoy: nothing is "good enough" if you can get more money by not using anything "standard" :P
[14:30:08] directhex|bsp: pirates are cheap, but more than that, pirates are LAZY
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[14:30:32] directhex|bsp: MilkBoy, but do they get more money? how much has been spent on r&d and so on for a pre-dead standard?
[14:30:37] iamlindoro_: directhex|bsp: My supposition is that CAMs don't allow for the resulting file to be encrypted the way CC does
[14:30:39] GreyFoxx: directhex|bsp: Exactly. So if you could pay and not have to deal with changing keys and all that other crap most would
[14:30:40] directhex|bsp: MilkBoy, CAm's been in use for donkey's years
[14:30:45] MilkBoy: directhex|bsp: dunno =)
[14:31:02] MilkBoy: directhex|bsp: I know.. CAM is used in Finland
[14:31:06] GreyFoxx: BEV use to allow it
[14:31:18] GreyFoxx: but they stopped years back and now deny they ever did :)
[14:31:42] MilkBoy: and the conax cards are like "impossible" to copy or pirate
[14:32:31] directhex|bsp: MilkBoy, there are several "unhackable" encryptions which have been successfully cloned, but not broken – e.g. NDS. good for them! now sell me a CAM to use your unbroken encryption please!
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[14:33:34] MilkBoy: =)
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[14:34:53] directhex|bsp: MilkBoy, look at it this way – porno has always been on the right end of technology, and porno believes in selling CAMs – even when they use 'broken' encryptions, it doesn't cause them too much damage to their businesses
[14:38:44] Dagmar: ...and strangely, porno makes *lots* of money, no matter what happens.
[14:38:54] MilkBoy: =D
[14:40:00] MilkBoy: the porn industry in Finland is pretty lame... like web based pay-per-view and similar services often use completely unscrambled flash video files/streams =D
[14:40:13] MilkBoy: (don't ask how I know this)
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[14:40:54] Dagmar: We already know more than we want to.
[14:41:22] MilkBoy: lol
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[14:42:53] dustybin: what make/model univseral remote do people use here?
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[14:48:04] fn1: msn
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[14:48:46] fn1: dustybin: the microsoft remote has been my favorite so far.. real easy to setup
[14:54:30] directhex|bsp: iamlindoro_, you're being corrected over there -->
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[15:12:45] dustybin: fn1: sorry i dont do microsoft
[15:13:24] directhex|bsp: dustybin, then have fun with LIRC
[15:13:37] directhex|bsp: you could be a trend-setting pioneer and use a sony ps3 remote
[15:13:38] dustybin: directhex|bsp: i mean a remote what controls everything
[15:13:45] directhex|bsp: oh, a universal remote
[15:13:47] dustybin: i have 6 remotes at the moment
[15:13:51] directhex|bsp: one-for-all kameleons look cool
[15:13:58] dustybin: aye ok
[15:14:08] dustybin: what about logitech?
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[15:14:56] Dagmar: Incredibly expensive and you STILL have the hassle of configuring LIRC.
[15:14:57] Dagmar: WIN!
[15:15:09] dustybin: ok
[15:15:18] dustybin: il take a look at those kameleons
[15:15:44] dustybin: http://www.mykameleon.com/products.html
[15:15:50] dustybin: they certainly look unique
[15:16:00] Dagmar: Yeah, it's basically just a fancy faceplate.
[15:16:06] dustybin: ok
[15:16:59] Dagmar: One4All makes plenty of other remotes which are not Kameleons, for much less $$$.
[15:17:15] Dagmar: The "specialness" of those is that the buttons that currently have no function don't light up
[15:17:56] dustybin: aye nice
[15:18:00] dustybin: bloody cheap
[15:18:07] dustybin: 20 squid
[15:18:14] dustybin: http://www.froogle.richersounds.com/showbigpr . . . e=303607.jpg
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[15:19:55] Dagmar: This is what I ues
[15:19:56] Dagmar: http://www.amazon.com/One-All-URC-6131-Upgradeable/dp/B0000ALPBA
[15:20:06] Dagmar: $6.95 in US dollars, so _really_ cheap
[15:21:22] dustybin: i was close to spending 100 pound on a logitech
[15:21:39] dustybin: that remote looks nice
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[15:25:30] directhex|bsp: dustybin, no, it looks like crap, but it's cheap & functional
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[15:26:03] directhex|bsp: dustybin, as Dagmar says, the kameleon is a regular one-for-all but with the electroluminescent highlighting of "relevant" keys.
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[15:26:29] dustybin: aye very fancy :D
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[16:14:56] clever: !log
[16:14:58] clever: !urls
[16:15:02] clever: !url log
[16:15:02] MythLogBot: No match for keyword log
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[16:16:09] Anduin: If you search for your nickname you usually find it quickly.
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[16:36:18] neztiti: hi guys
[16:36:44] neztiti: i cant start watch tv
[16:38:22] neztiti: i did this command
[16:38:27] neztiti: root@neztiti-desktop:/home/neztiti# sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[16:38:29] neztiti: * Removing stale PID file /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend
[16:38:29] neztiti: * Starting MythTV server: mythbackend [ OK ]
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[17:16:09] keith4: anyone care to comment on the ability of the new frontend I'm thinking about building? I need it to play mpeg2 1080i content at 1920x1080, over DVI or HDMI... http://tinyurl.com/5d7rby
[17:16:36] iamlindoro__: keith4, Should play that material easily
[17:17:18] keith4: i can't find any stats on that video "card"
[17:17:21] iamlindoro__: In fact i play some high-bitrate h.264 w/ my E4500 so you should have a ton of headroom
[17:17:42] keith4: yah, i would like to have room to grow, to h264 perhaps
[17:17:53] keith4: tired of waiting for apple to update the mac mini
[17:18:09] keith4: although it would be nice to use frontrow
[17:18:14] iamlindoro__: What's wrong with the current Mini? It plays everything I every threw at it
[17:18:17] iamlindoro__: er ever
[17:20:09] keith4: well, the intel 965 would be nice to have
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[17:20:41] leprechau: so, quick question for ya
[17:20:59] leprechau: when you build a frontend like that....do you have a seperate backend with your tuner card and whatnot in it?
[17:21:08] keith4: yes
[17:21:40] leprechau: I was figuring you did since there isn't any room in those matx cases for tuner cards
[17:21:52] PatrickDK: you can put a tuner card in there
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[17:22:05] PatrickDK: one internal, or external usb ones
[17:22:15] PatrickDK: though external kills the looks
[17:22:49] keith4: yah, you could easily put a pchdtv5500 in there
[17:22:51] PatrickDK: mainly you just don't want a tuner in it, cause of the extra heat load and air current issues it would create
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[17:23:01] keith4: might be a bit of a strain on the 120w power supply
[17:23:07] keith4: yah, and what PatrickDK said
[17:23:15] keith4: iamlindoro__: thanks for the input
[17:23:21] leprechau: I've never tried it...but how does that work...is it smooth....the transfer over the network
[17:23:22] keith4: i'll probably get a mac mini, too, when they get updated
[17:23:31] keith4: leprechau: absolutely
[17:23:37] keith4: ... as long as it's not 10mbit
[17:23:38] iamlindoro__: keith4, no prob
[17:23:40] leprechau: with tuner cards in a different box...changing channels and all isn't lagged?
[17:24:00] leprechau: I've just got a 100Mbit at the house....cat5e cable i put in all the rooms when we buil the place
[17:24:07] PatrickDK: 2seconds for me
[17:24:12] PatrickDK: the same as on the same box
[17:24:16] keith4: 100mbit is fine
[17:24:21] leprechau: haven't bought a gbit switch yet
[17:24:22] keith4: and you can run gigabit over 5e, if it comes to it
[17:24:35] keith4: leprechau: i don't do a lot of liveTV, mostly recorded stuff
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[17:25:02] leprechau: same here
[17:25:31] leprechau: but when I do I love being able to tune to the channel...pause it....go make popcorn and whatnot then come back and start watching and fast forward though all the commercials
[17:25:52] leprechau: I don't really do any PIP or anything like that though
[17:27:35] Saviq: leprechau: I'm on 100mbit, the stuff going through 2 switches (don't ask) at the moment
[17:27:48] leprechau: hehe
[17:27:57] Saviq: no problem watching 4 channels at the same time on two different machines
[17:28:02] leprechau: yeah I have a couple places like that in my house too
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[17:28:11] leprechau: where I just put one jack in the wall of the room
[17:28:17] leprechau: and now have a computer/network printer/etc...
[17:28:20] Saviq: yep
[17:29:12] leprechau: although on the ones where there are just 2 things plugged in
[17:29:23] leprechau: i'll prolly get unlazy and just split the cat5 into 2 jacks
[17:29:27] leprechau: and take out the switch
[17:29:36] leprechau: only need 4 wires for ethernet ;}
[17:29:39] Saviq: remember that it won't work with gigabit
[17:29:45] leprechau: yeah I know that
[17:29:56] Saviq: then yeah, no problem with that
[17:30:02] leprechau: but I haven't bought a gbit switch yet
[17:30:07] leprechau: im a cheap ass
[17:30:30] leprechau: i'll wait till one shows up at the computer recycling place downtown
[17:30:38] leprechau: and pick it up for $30 or so
[17:30:46] iamlindoro__: Can't do Gige on 4 wires though, so if you intend to upgrade, don't split 'em
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[17:32:49] keith4: PIP is neat
[17:33:03] keith4: but you lose your buffer when you switch the PIP with the main picture, iirc
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[17:38:49] iamlindoro__: PIP implies there are two things worth watching at a given time
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[17:39:16] justinh: PiP implies you have the attention span of a goldfish
[17:39:36] iamlindoro__: Justinh, that's just... Ooooh, something shiny!
[17:41:06] Saviq: justinh: you could always put mono sound from channel 1 on left audio and channel 2 on right audio, that would be scary
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[17:44:39] justinh: or I could just continue to watch what I've recorded previously rather than waste days of my life every year watching tripe just because it's on
[17:46:35] clever: Saviq: ive thought of taking the eng and jpn tracks of an mkv
[17:46:42] clever: and output them both out seperate channels at once
[17:46:51] clever: but i havent found the right mplayer options for it
[17:49:29] justinh: ffs. anime fans... no accounting for em at all
[17:50:20] iamlindoro__: Just imagine, if you implement that feature, you could hear what geeky kids with aspergers hear on both sides of the pacific
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[17:59:18] pembo13_com: i have a fairly serious prob and don't know hwo to proceed: mythfrontend is crashing fluxbox (i think) on _every_ startup
[17:59:41] pembo13_com: i run mythfrontend, then i'm kocked back to gdm
[17:59:47] pembo13_com: no ways around it
[18:01:31] Ribs: are you sure it's a conflict with fluxbox?
[18:02:34] bobgill: have you tried a diff wm/de and it works?
[18:03:00] pembo13_com: i just switched from the nvidia xorg driver to the nv driver
[18:03:04] pembo13_com: it doesn't crash any more
[18:03:10] pembo13_com: but i only get black yellow and white
[18:03:21] pembo13_com: the display colors are all screwed up
[18:03:28] bobgill: that's an nvidia driver issue then
[18:03:28] iamlindoro__: and who says nv isn't ready for prime time
[18:03:39] pembo13_com: i'm not running mythfrontend as root
[18:03:45] pembo13_com: with nvidia is crashes
[18:03:52] pembo13_com: which nv it screws up the colors
[18:04:00] bobgill: which video card do you have ?
[18:04:13] Ribs: try vesa! :)
[18:04:16] pembo13_com: GeForce 5200 AGP
[18:04:31] pembo13_com: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)
[18:04:33] bobgill: which distro and which driver version ?
[18:04:46] pembo13_com: Centos5
[18:04:59] pembo13_com: using what ever versions that go along with 2.6.18–53.1.14.el5
[18:05:40] iamlindoro__: Nvidia drivers don't work that way, they're independent of kernel version
[18:05:45] bobgill: hmm for that card probably the legacy
[18:05:49] pembo13_com: as soon as i exit out of mythfrontend the colorsfix
[18:05:58] iamlindoro__: glx-new is for 5200 and newer IIRC
[18:06:00] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, true, gold
[18:06:03] pembo13_com: hold
[18:06:32] pembo13_com: nvidia-x11-drv-1.0.9755–1.nodist.rf
[18:06:37] iamlindoro__: yup, new drivers for 5200
[18:06:47] iamlindoro__: but *he's* using legacy
[18:06:58] iamlindoro__: time for a massive driver upgrade
[18:07:08] bobgill: yeah you need 169.12
[18:07:10] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, how can you tell?
[18:07:14] iamlindoro__: 'cause those drives are ollllllld
[18:07:20] iamlindoro__: 9755 is a legacy driver #
[18:07:21] bobgill: the version
[18:07:37] pembo13_com: ok
[18:07:39] pembo13_com: thanks
[18:07:45] iamlindoro__: do as bobgill suggests, go to nvidia.com and get 169.12
[18:07:57] bobgill: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.12.html
[18:08:03] pembo13_com: i'll see if i can get an RPM first
[18:08:06] bobgill: that's 32-bit
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[18:09:47] pembo13_com: thanks
[18:10:31] mki: what could be causing weird effects on my tv-out with vertical lines?
[18:10:42] justinh: earthquakes?
[18:10:47] justinh: define 'weird'
[18:11:00] iamlindoro__: Is it a show about zebras?
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[18:11:08] mki: mm.... slight light effects on the edges of the vertical lines
[18:11:09] stuarta: or hamsters?
[18:11:17] olds: or badgers?
[18:11:22] justinh: mki: when things move? like a combing effect?
[18:11:41] mki: it's even when things are still
[18:11:44] stuarta: ah badgers. always the badger
[18:11:46] stuarta: +s
[18:11:57] justinh: judderring up & down?
[18:12:05] iamlindoro__: http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
[18:12:09] justinh: ffs try to be descriptive
[18:12:10] mki: sideways i think... *goes check*
[18:12:21] ** justinh goes to get the clue bat **
[18:14:38] mki: it looks a bit like part of the picture (a colour range?) is moving left/right
[18:14:58] justinh: still sounds like interlacing artifacts
[18:15:16] justinh: http://neuron2.net/LVG/interlacing.html
[18:15:55] justinh: and http://www.100fps.com/
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[18:17:28] mki: could it be that on the hardware level? i get it even in plain console
[18:17:40] stuarta: ah
[18:17:54] justinh: sounds like you need to tweak the tvout flicker filter then
[18:18:13] justinh: if you're a nvidia user, install nvidia-settings
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[18:23:25] mki: justinh, thanks, that flicker filter helped a lot! (when i found it in the flicker)
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[18:28:58] Puh_: i'm puzzled, why am i getting handheld mythweb every time?
[18:29:11] Puh_: how does mythweb determine if the client is handheld or a real browser?
[18:29:19] xris: user agent and cookie
[18:29:27] Puh_: hmm
[18:29:36] xris: read the readme for how to reset
[18:29:46] Puh_: ok, let's try that
[18:32:12] Puh_: removed cookies from browser, no help
[18:32:24] xris: what browser?
[18:33:00] Puh_: ff 3.0b5 and safari 3.1
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[18:36:06] Puh_: i'm puzzled
[18:38:31] pembo13_com: does anyone know where Xorg looks for drivers?
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[18:39:05] iamlindoro__: Ewww, I get to reshape my four TB array tonight. Yuck.
[18:39:24] xris: Puh_: like I said.. read the readme for how to reset it.
[18:39:28] xris: it should be in the faq
[18:39:51] Puh_: i did read the mythweb readme but i can't see it there?
[18:39:59] Puh_: or is it some other readme that i should look at?
[18:40:16] stuarta: iamlindoro__: broke your array?
[18:40:24] iamlindoro__: stuarta, naw, just resizing
[18:40:30] stuarta: fun
[18:40:41] iamlindoro__: not looking forward to xxxx minutes remaining :)
[18:40:45] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: I started to put together my new backend last-night... slightly faster cpu – AMD 64 X2 4800+  – 2GB DDR2 800 dual-chanel – 6 sata ports – 3 500's on there now, going to put all 6 500's on there once I move the recordigns over...
[18:40:48] Puh_: i tried the RESET_THEME=yes -trick but no help
[18:41:06] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: How long do you think it will take to resize from 3x500 (960GB) to 6x500 ??? ;-)
[18:41:19] stuarta: a while
[18:41:24] J-e-f-f-A|work: Puh_: perhaps you're not allowing cookies?
[18:41:27] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A|work, Nice! I forget whether your dish boxes are HD capable or not-- any thoughts of eventually going to HD-PVRs?
[18:41:54] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A|work, yeah, anything I said would be a guess--- when I initialized this array it took a few days to build
[18:42:01] Puh_: it does set a cookie named "mythweb_id"
[18:43:14] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: They're not... Not at the moment. I'm doing ok with the OTA HD for now — Especially since I don't have any 'real' HD tv's in the house — just big computer monitors... ;-)
[18:43:56] piksi: i had a completely working mythtv setup in my home lan with one backend and two frontends, now i messed up a little with domains and MTA's and now mysql -h 192.168.1.100 -p reports "ERROR 2003 Can't connect to mysql server (111)"
[18:44:16] J-e-f-f-A|work: ... And based on all the hardware raid vs software raid discussions here in the past few days, I guess I'll stick with software raid5...  ;-)
[18:44:28] piksi: in normal circumstances shouldn't it be possible to connect the msyql inside my lan? isn't that exactly what mythfrontend is also doing?
[18:44:59] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A|work, most arguments in here come down to "Don't do $ThingIDon'tUse, use $ThingIUse, because $Insecurity!"
[18:45:22] piksi: my config.xml's and mysql.txt's haven't changed a bit
[18:45:30] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A|work, See also "Help me set up $BasicFeature, because $Can'tRead."
[18:46:07] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: One thing that I really need to get setup is email alerts — ie: I wish I had known I had a failed drive before I was looking at things to compare for another user having raid issues here...
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[18:46:29] stuarta: don't need raid anywhere near as much now we have storage groups
[18:46:33] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: I want them to get echoed to my work email address, etc, so I'll know right away...
[18:46:42] xris: Puh_: Q: I've changed my theme to one that doesn't have a "settings" section. Help!
[18:46:44] J-e-f-f-A|work: stuarta: yeah, I thought about that too...
[18:46:59] stuarta: a lot simpler than raid arrays
[18:47:17] iamlindoro__: I just use a single 500 GB for recordings, and archive stuff I care about in Mythvideo which lives on the RAID
[18:47:27] Puh_: i tried adding the RESET_THEME=yes thing to the url, no help
[18:47:34] stuarta: thats a good plan
[18:48:53] Puh_: could apache settings somehow cause the browser to be identified as handheld?
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[18:49:23] xris: Puh_: maybe... it's really odd, though.
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[18:50:18] Puh_: where in the code is the selection made? can someone point me to the right direction ..?
[18:50:42] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: I had mine setup the reverse... ;-) Regular recordings on the raid, (960gb) – Videos on a 320GB usb, Music on a 200GB usb, OS on an internal 300GB sata...
[18:51:26] J-e-f-f-A|work: stuarta: do you have something monitoring your drives for errors, ie 'smartd' or something, to warn you of possible issues?
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[18:51:52] stuarta: yup always run smartd
[18:51:54] fn1: mdadm?
[18:52:00] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A|work, To each his own-- I had a Mythvideo drive crash late last year and lost everything-- to that point I had been ripping my Blu-ray stuff and transcoding it on windows, then copying it over-- I decided I didn't want to wait for 75 Hd transcodes again and thought, "What the hell, Drive Space is cheap..." But at 30–50 GB per Hd movie, it fills up quick :)
[18:52:17] stuarta: heh
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[18:52:32] portahex: hello everyone! 8D
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[18:53:05] ** stuarta puts on his tinfoil hat **
[18:53:18] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: yeah, I added a new frontend, and didn't have the nfs share setup for videos yet and made the mistake of going into the video manager on it — and answered "yes to all" to the "xxx can't be found – do you want to delete it" prompt... oops... 170+ recordings gone...
[18:54:12] portahex: J-e-f-f-A|work, mythvideo in "sucky" shocker
[18:54:37] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A|work, Have definitely been there before :) :) Mythtv is definitely a "learn by doing" experience. Great for the patient, and for the impatient... well, there's always #mythtv-users :D
[18:54:56] stuarta: doh
[18:56:27] J-e-f-f-A|work: I didn't realize what I had done until my son came to me a couple of hours later, and said "Hey dad, something's wrong with Myth, there's only like 3 videos in there now"... (from his UPnP player)... I did an 'ls' in the directory and said "What teh F#^^#%#$?!?/?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!" Then realized what I had done...
[18:56:43] stuarta: oh well...
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[18:56:54] J-e-f-f-A|work: Yeah... It's only TV... ;-)
[18:56:59] Puh_: xris, it seems the README is out of date — i used url+RESET_TMPL=yes and now it's working again
[18:57:03] iamlindoro__: I think the key to it is always assuming it's your own bone-headedness first, then looking at mythtv, because a) you're usually right, and b) you make more friends that way :)
[18:58:51] xris: Puh_: interesting. lame. thanks for the note. I'll fix it.
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[18:59:20] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: At first I thought it was Myth, but thought to myself "I've never seen it do anything like that before"... then remembered what I did on the new frontend... Lesson learned...
[18:59:30] iamlindoro__: Yup
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[19:06:48] stuarta: is it conceptually correct to include "later" showings as deactivated in mythweb?
[19:07:26] stuarta: i'd expect to remove all the recordings from the list that are covered by "inactive" recording rules
[19:08:05] stuarta: which it does, but it also removes "later" showings.
[19:10:53] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: And a raid wouldn't have saved me there... Oh well...  ;-)
[19:11:21] kormoc: hrm
[19:11:28] iamlindoro__: true that... but a nightly db backup would have :)
[19:14:11] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: Not me... I don't happen to have an Ultrium LTO III tape drive to back up that amount of data! ;-)
[19:14:25] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A|work, For just your DB??
[19:14:38] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: Oh, I back that up already nightly... ;-)
[19:15:10] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: But the actual recordings were blown away too with my "yes to all" choice...
[19:15:29] iamlindoro__: They what now??
[19:16:26] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: That's the only thing I did, when my videos got blown away... I had setup a new frontend, and hadn't yet setup the nfs share for the videos to work from it...
[19:16:31] iamlindoro__: Was pretty sure "Yes to all" only removed the Database entries, since as far as it knows the files are already missing....
[19:17:22] iamlindoro__: meh, I'm not going to test and find out, that's for sure
[19:17:24] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: and it of course prompted me that it couldn't find each recording... so I got tired of slecting each one, and did 'yes to all', and 2 hours later, they were all gone from the video directory...
[19:18:05] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: Well, yeah, but the remote frontend couldn't see the recordings, so... I dunno... I'll build up a library over time again... ;-)
[19:18:48] iamlindoro__: Some tool running his mouth in #linuxtv about Myth, lovely
[19:18:57] portahex: iamlindoro__, anything specific?
[19:19:01] n0u: that's me
[19:19:04] portahex: "waa, they don't support sasc :'("
[19:19:07] portahex: ?
[19:19:11] iamlindoro__: n0u, yep, that's you
[19:19:16] n0u: you meant fool i guess
[19:19:22] iamlindoro__: No, I meant tool
[19:19:27] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: I thought it only deleted DB entries too... But my missing files coincided to me doing that...
[19:19:32] ** stuarta threaten those mentioning sasc with the big stick **
[19:19:46] n0u: anyway, am i bovverred ? :)
[19:20:13] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A|work, Yeah, don't know enough about what cleanup it does, I'll take your word for it
[19:22:00] iamlindoro__: unspecified complaints about bloat/alleged freezing/slow channel changing, blah blah
[19:22:00] pembo13_com: i just insall mythmusic, and none of the menu items leading to mythmusic work
[19:22:05] justinh: it's alright – whenever somebody shoots their mouth off it just un-entitles them to any help
[19:22:08] pembo13_com: i can't go to Music Tools
[19:22:17] iamlindoro__: pembo13_com, sounds like version mismatch
[19:22:25] iamlindoro__: frontend log will tell you for sure
[19:22:28] pembo13_com: nor can I go to Listen Music
[19:22:43] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__ ok... is the frontend log generated by default?
[19:22:48] justinh: you have to have smarts to make mythtv work. if you phail, it's you that sucks :)
[19:22:49] pembo13_com: i'll have to enable it
[19:22:57] iamlindoro__: pembo13_com, Just run mythfrontend from a terminal, simple enough
[19:23:04] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, true, cool
[19:23:34] iamlindoro__: This is where having each plugin be a package is full of FAIL
[19:24:10] justinh: I still dunno which I prefer tbh – having all plugins in one place or the old way
[19:24:16] justinh: those --configure lines can be annoying
[19:24:36] iamlindoro__: justinh, Some won't be happy until there
[19:24:38] iamlindoro__: whoops
[19:24:55] iamlindoro__: some won't be happy until there's a "lickable" UI switch that makes a loud "CLACK" when you set it on or off
[19:25:01] iamlindoro__: one for each plugin
[19:26:08] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, seems like there is a libFLAC.so.8 problem.... cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied
[19:26:53] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, i'm only seeing one hit on google for that error
[19:27:13] iamlindoro__: pembo13_com, Yeah, weird, not familiar with that one myself
[19:27:23] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, think i got it
[19:28:12] iamlindoro__: looks like an SELinux thing, perhaps?
[19:28:31] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, yah... selinux told me how to fix it
[19:28:38] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, just about to apply fix
[19:28:54] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, i haven't had an selinux prob in awhile, forgot about tio
[19:29:22] iamlindoro__: Haven't ever used it so any errors related to it will fly right over my head
[19:29:43] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, it wasn't really an error, was just looking out for me... fixed it, thanks
[19:29:49] iamlindoro__: np
[19:29:54] iamlindoro__: although I didn't really help :)
[19:30:28] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, not sure if you're familiar with mythmusic.. but when it says import music.. it doesn't mean actually relocating the files does it?
[19:30:38] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, i would like to just point it to my base music dir
[19:30:39] iamlindoro__: no, just putting it in the DB
[19:30:43] iamlindoro__: Music won't move
[19:30:44] pembo13_com: ah, cool
[19:30:45] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: PS: Here's the MONSTEROUS case I put this system in: it's a RocketFish Full Tower – $47 on clearance from BB : http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=ca . . . se&h=387
[19:31:02] iamlindoro__: Holy Bludgeoning Device
[19:31:41] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A|work, though I shouldn't tease, I should probably have a case like that as my box is out of sight now too and it would be nice to have more drive space
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[19:32:08] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: hehe... LOTS of room inside... 6 5/14 external bays... 2 3–1/2 – 6 internal hdd...  ;-) nice...
[19:32:19] iamlindoro__: definitely
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[19:33:30] justinh: and a 150W PSU to hang it all off of. classing
[19:33:32] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: As a matter of fact, my current myth backend is on a shelf about 5' up on the wall... this case is so tall, I've got to move the shelf down 2" to get it to clear the cieling... ;-)
[19:33:55] J-e-f-f-A|work: justinh: Nah, I've got a 600W in there... ;-)
[19:35:38] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: I really like the 120mm fan blowing right down on the card slots... And the new MB I bought has 3 pci slots, so I can still use my Hauppauge cards with it... ;-)
[19:35:48] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, i don't know.. just got an error "couldn't not copy file to: /var/lib/mythmusic...
[19:36:11] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, 7900 times
[19:36:57] iamlindoro__: pembo13_com, haha, hope I wasn't giving you bad info-- ahhh, I was speaking of Scan for Music
[19:37:18] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, cool
[19:37:25] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, just got to hold down the spacebar now
[19:37:43] iamlindoro__: Dunno which in particular you were talking about-- have never had "scan for music" move anything on me... but perhaps we're talking about different things
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[19:38:43] iamlindoro__: anyway, sorry if I misdirected you
[19:38:45] justinh: importing new music is about CD ripping
[19:38:55] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, cool
[19:39:03] justinh: or lipping, depending on where you live
[19:39:06] pembo13_com: justinh, just reporting the title at the top of the screen
[19:39:21] pembo13_com: "Import Music"
[19:39:41] justinh: could be caused by anything, that one
[19:39:45] justinh: broken theme... anything
[19:39:51] pembo13_com: ok
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[19:40:08] pembo13_com: either way just want to o scan not move any files
[19:40:18] justinh: mythmusic won't go moving any files
[19:40:59] pembo13_com: justinh, ok.. well something related to it is trying to copy files to /var/lib/mythmus
[19:41:01] pembo13_com: ic
[19:41:18] iamlindoro__: pembo13_com, And that's using the "Scan for Music" function, right?
[19:41:28] pembo13_com: iamlindoro__, will tell you when i get out back to the menu
[19:41:30] justinh: pembo13_com: that'll be it trying to lip a seedee
[19:41:52] iamlindoro__: ^^^ justinh is right, what you want is "Scan for Music" not "import"
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[19:42:19] pembo13_com: justinh, it asked for a location, gave it one, scanned, found files... then i tried to "add all new"
[19:43:16] pembo13_com: Music Tools > Import Files
[19:43:22] pembo13_com: shouldn't have done scan for new music i guess
[19:45:32] pembo13_com: found what i was looking for.. place to change path...thanks
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[20:06:06] KjetilK: Anybody know the Antec Fusion cases well?
[20:06:30] KjetilK: I'm not sure I actually have an IR receiver in my case, even though the docs say that I have...
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[20:07:04] Mousey: is it just me, or is .21 more slower?
[20:08:12] iamlindoro__: KjetilK, if you have the Antec fusion V2, you have an IR Receiver... if you have a V1, you don't.
[20:08:16] Mousey: my box used to run tv at around a load of 1 to 2
[20:08:29] Mousey: now i can't keep the load under 2, and it's a lot choppier
[20:08:35] Mousey: all i did was upgrade
[20:08:38] iamlindoro__: Mousey, more likely you haven't gone in and explored/modified/tweaked playback profiles
[20:08:47] Mousey: playback profiles have changed a lot
[20:09:02] Mousey: i was afraid to mess with them cuz they're not as easy to read anymore
[20:09:06] KjetilK: iamlindoro__: I have the v2
[20:09:13] iamlindoro__: by changed you mean "didn't exist in .20"
[20:09:21] iamlindoro__: KjetilK, then you have an IR receiver
[20:09:25] Mousey: that's true
[20:09:33] Jimbalaya: are playback profiles in the mythfrontend utilities/setup screens or is it in mythtv-setup?
[20:09:38] iamlindoro__: frontend
[20:09:38] Mousey: the former
[20:09:48] Jimbalaya: i'll have to look at those as well.....
[20:09:54] Mousey: guess i have to rtfm now
[20:09:57] Mousey: hope there is one
[20:10:04] Jimbalaya: Mousey : at first, i was getting audio lag... Something Happened and now it's fine
[20:10:07] iamlindoro__: Mousey, first you can try other pre-sets like Slim, CPU++, etc. If none of the presets work for you, edit your own
[20:10:16] Jimbalaya: I've rebooted it a couple times, for other reasons, though
[20:10:21] Mousey: iamlindoro: yea, i was afraid that was the answer
[20:10:28] ** Mousey idles **
[20:10:29] KjetilK: iamlindoro__: yeah, I would have thought, but it is quite strange that I don't get any events mode2 with any of my remotes, though I have the volume knob configured and working well...
[20:11:04] iamlindoro__: Kjetilk, the knob and IR receiver are independent
[20:11:04] KjetilK: I would have expected mode2 to say something, even though none of my remotes are Soundgraph remotes
[20:11:19] iamlindoro__: The V1 has an lirc compatible volume knob, but no IR
[20:11:22] iamlindoro__: the V2 has both
[20:11:26] Jimbalaya: I'm *really* enjoying the responsiveness in MythMusic ... I find that this version is quite snappy when switching to next/previous songs
[20:11:41] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: I've got the Fusion Black 430... has ir receiver...
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[20:12:15] KjetilK: I have the silvery one with a 430 W PSU
[20:12:35] KjetilK: that can surely not be the V1, right?
[20:12:45] iamlindoro__: why can't it be?
[20:13:06] KjetilK: I thought they had other PSUs?
[20:13:19] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: I think the 430W is v2... but not 100% positive...
[20:13:51] ** KjetilK nods **
[20:14:36] iamlindoro__: The V1 had a 430W AFAIK
[20:14:48] iamlindoro__: http://www.thinkcomputers.org/v2/index.php?x=reviews&id=478
[20:14:51] iamlindoro__: yup
[20:14:54] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: I know that the 'Black' version uses a different display — it's a graphical LCD with a bunch of icons, wheras the Silver one uses a character VFD ...
[20:15:17] KjetilK: yup, I have a VFD, works well
[20:15:29] iamlindoro__: KjetilK, did you see my last? v1 had a 430 also
[20:15:40] iamlindoro__: how long have you had it?
[20:15:49] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: lirc detected my ir reciever, and it worked right out of the box. ^^ See iamlindoro__'s comment — you might just have a v1...
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[20:16:06] KjetilK: yeah...
[20:16:22] KjetilK: hmmm
[20:16:42] ** KjetilK wonders if there are other characteristics that can tell the difference **
[20:16:53] iamlindoro__: KjetilK, when did you buy it?
[20:17:50] iamlindoro__: gahhhhh, forget it
[20:18:12] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: does it have extra leads from the front panel for power switch?
[20:18:28] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: ie: from the LCD area?
[20:19:10] KjetilK: J-e-f-f-A|work: hmmmm, I don't remember, it has a USB connector from the VFD...
[20:19:31] ** KjetilK needs to find its docs **
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[20:20:39] natoka: re
[20:20:42] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: Right, but the V2 cases have a seperate 'power' connector coming from the VFD area... And you have to connect the 'normal' power button to a header on the vfd board, then that header to your power switch connector on the mb.
[20:20:58] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: That allows a MCE remote to turn the PC on via infrared
[20:21:46] KjetilK: J-e-f-f-A|work: right, I'm pretty sure I don't have that
[20:22:20] KjetilK: I'm pretty sure I connected a wire directly to the mb
[20:23:03] natoka: sounds like an interesting chassis for a pvr solution
[20:23:05] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: Yeah, you would have remembered it, because you'd be like "What the heck is this for?"... it's not in the documentation — I had to google to find out what it was for. It's neat being able to turn on the pc with the remote though (I already had an MCE remote, and it works great for this V2 case)
[20:23:57] J-e-f-f-A|work: natoka: It is, although it's a little big – about the size of a home amplifier.  — Antec Fusion Black 430 is what I have...
[20:24:24] J-e-f-f-A|work: natoka: (Currently just housing a 'test' myth setup, my real backend is a monster machine... MuWaHaHa!)
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[20:27:14] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: See... with the V2 case, there's a 'power sw' header coming from the VFD area, and another one coming from the actual power switch. To enable powering on with both the remote and the power button, you plug the switch into a header on the VFD board (usually not exposed, so you have to take half the front of the machine off to get to it), then the header from the VFD board to the motherboard...
[20:27:59] KjetilK: OK, rereading the product spec, it doesn't mention the IR receiver, though the mashup page that I used when ordering does
[20:28:21] KjetilK: but that's not the fault of the retailer, I should have checked more carefully
[20:28:43] KjetilK: thanks, J-e-f-f-A|work and iamlindoro__, it is nice to know
[20:28:53] iamlindoro__: Bummer, no problem
[20:29:32] KjetilK: It seems like the IR receiver I have on the Hauppauge PVR-150 died, so I was looking for an alternative...
[20:29:35] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: Here's a thread about the 'extra' power switch connection: http://www.avforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-598176.html
[20:30:57] KjetilK: right
[20:33:11] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: If you're handy with a soldering iron, head over to lirc.org — there's schematics there on how to make your own 'generic serial' receiver...
[20:33:32] KjetilK: yup
[20:33:56] KjetilK: yeah, that'd be fun, but there is too little time these days
[20:34:33] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: And if you're a packrat like me, you've got an old partially-working-worth-nothing-nowadays-anyways VCR in the basement that you can yank the IR receiver module out of... ;-)
[20:34:47] pembo13_com: do i have to tell mythfrontend to check for ~/.lircrc?
[20:35:06] KjetilK: I think I'll buy a DVB-C card soon, and probably get something with a IR reciever
[20:35:31] J-e-f-f-A|work: pembo13_com: Check the docs — you have to create a symbolic link – I think it looks in ~./mythtv — so you need to link it to the 'real' file...
[20:35:37] ** KjetilK needs to get a kid and teach him electronics :-) **
[20:35:53] pembo13_com: J-e-f-f-A|work, i did simlar on another machine without having to do that
[20:35:54] pembo13_com: will try
[20:36:15] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: Kids are great, until they get to be teenagers and bleed you dry for $$$
[20:36:23] KjetilK: :-)
[20:37:17] J-e-f-f-A|work: KjetilK: Especially when you're a single dad — a 2-to-6 year-old is a chick magnet!  ;-) (Well, most of them anyways...)
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[20:39:15] pembo13_com: myfrontend doesn't seem to even be checking for lirc on this machine
[20:39:39] KjetilK: J-e-f-f-A|work: hehe
[20:39:50] pembo13_com: on my other machine, even before i setup lirc it was always checking for it
[20:40:05] pembo13_com: this one... i see nothing about lirc on the console when i start mythfrontend
[20:40:16] ron_: is there a place to setup how often myth checks weather
[20:40:56] iamlindoro__: ron_, AFAIK myth checks weather as often as you open up Mythweather
[20:41:34] ron_: what if it left open, it looks to update date
[20:41:43] KjetilK: Anybody have experiences with TwinHan TwinhanDTV Cab-CI?
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[20:49:09] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: In 0.21 it constantly gets updates at a regular interval in the background... so it' comes up much faster...
[20:49:20] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: ^^ Mythweather that is... ;-)
[20:49:46] iamlindoro__: Yucky. Note to self, remove mythweather.
[20:49:55] ** iamlindoro__ owns a window. **
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[20:49:59] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: ha!  ;-)
[20:50:45] ** J-e-f-f-A|work thinks it's pretty sad when he knows more about networking than the contractor that started last week, and he's got the certifications... yikes... Maybe it's time for me to get certified??? **
[20:51:04] kormoc: J-e-f-f-A|work, welcome to the tech industry
[20:52:03] J-e-f-f-A|work: kormoc: Yeah, I'm no stranger... I've been in the field for 20 years now... (ouch!) I'll be 40 in november... (another ouch!)
[20:52:13] pembo13_com: when i am watching recordings, '[' and ']' have no effect on the volume
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[20:53:27] J-e-f-f-A|work: pembo13_com: Are you using digital out?
[20:53:50] pembo13_com: J-e-f-f-A|work, no... analog out
[20:54:08] J-e-f-f-A|work: pembo13_com: Then check your settings – myth is probably configured for the wrong mixer device...
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[20:54:38] pembo13_com: J-e-f-f-A|work, ok.. should mention that sound works fine otherwise
[20:55:19] J-e-f-f-A|work: pembo13_com: Yeah, but if you can't control the volume at all in Myth, then the mixer isn't configured right, but your audiio putoput device is...
[20:55:43] pembo13_com: J-e-f-f-A|work, cool, ill check that out
[20:55:54] J-e-f-f-A|work: pembo13_com: Setup -> Setup -> General -> Audio page
[20:56:06] pembo13_com: i seem to be having some playback issues on this machine, so will work on that first
[20:56:14] peoples: hello ..
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[20:58:16] peoples: can someone tell me .. whats the reason of mythtv to auto-transcode into nuppelvideo format ? it is not smaler than the original mpg recording or something else ?
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[20:58:53] GreyFoxx: peoples: generally to save diskspace
[20:59:04] GreyFoxx: and if they load a cutlist to trip out commericials and such
[20:59:07] J-e-f-f-A|work: peoples: If you don't have a hardware encoder, then it's not 'auto-transcoding', it's just encoding it in that format to begin with...
[20:59:17] justinh: and to give recordings that 'grabbed off of youtube' look :P
[20:59:27] iamlindoro__: Because I love Nuppels
[20:59:47] J-e-f-f-A|work: iamlindoro__: I love Nupples too... Oh wait, I was thinking of the word with "I".
[21:00:09] justinh: nupplis?
[21:00:13] peoples: :D
[21:00:20] kormoc: justinh, I was just bout to say that :)
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[21:01:11] ron_: does mythtv run any disk checks or anything at night say 4 am +
[21:01:22] GreyFoxx: ron_: no
[21:01:22] peoples: but when i click transcode on mythweb to transcode eg. an 2gb mpg recording the *.nuv file is also 2gb ?
[21:01:30] GreyFoxx: ron_: Check for a crontab
[21:01:31] ron_: mine hard locks some time after 4 am
[21:01:41] GreyFoxx: could be running updatedb for the local command or something
[21:01:42] ron_: but runs fine all day
[21:01:49] ron_: hmm
[21:01:55] GreyFoxx: peoples: It will depend on your transcoding profile
[21:02:17] GreyFoxx: if the bitrate is the same as the recording and you don't have any cutlists defined it wont be any smaller
[21:02:57] J-e-f-f-A|work: ron_: Or it may be when you're retrieving your listings.... That can be pretty intensive too...
[21:02:59] peoples: ah .. u mean the jtjpeg settings right ?
[21:03:23] GreyFoxx: peoples: You can set the codec to either mpeg4 or rtjpeg and set the bitrate
[21:03:26] peoples: i mean rtjpeg .. :)
[21:03:53] GreyFoxx: personally I only transcode to cut out unneeded parts of the video without changing codecs
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[21:05:26] peoples: i see ... Hm .. some suggestion for me whats a good deal between quality and gb ? :)
[21:06:01] GreyFoxx: You'll have to experiment and figure that on your own: I'm a snob and don't like much quality loss
[21:06:21] J-e-f-f-A|work: peoples: On my system, I have the 'watch it once, then delete it' stuff set at a low resolution/bitrate that still looks quite good for SDTV... like 400x480 @ 3600 min/ 5000 max. Looks perfect on a TV with S-video in, and decent on a PC monitor...
[21:06:25] GreyFoxx: it will never look as good as the original, so you have to decide what you are willing to live with :)
[21:07:09] J-e-f-f-A|work: peoples: ^^ that renders about 1.6GB/hr with a Hauppauge PVR hardware encoder...
[21:07:43] justinh: just don't be a file squirrel & keep too much :)
[21:08:04] ** iamlindoro__ throws and acorn at justinh and scampers up the nearest tree **
[21:08:32] justinh: TV == disposable til it's watched.. and even before it's been watched
[21:08:41] J-e-f-f-A|work: peoples: My "High Quality" SDTV profile is setup for 720x480 4500/6000 – which looks excellent... My HD stuff just dumps down in the raw format, which is pretty well compressed already...
[21:09:17] ** J-e-f-f-A|work is a video packrat too... 960GB of tv recordings... ;-) **
[21:09:37] peoples: GreyFoxx: tomorrow i've seen a fullhd movie on an fullhd plasma , at this point i know sdtv has no good quality .. :D
[21:09:47] GreyFoxx: heh
[21:09:51] iamlindoro__: Peoples is frmo the future
[21:09:53] iamlindoro__: from
[21:10:01] ** justinh has yet to be impressed by HD **
[21:10:10] peoples: hehe
[21:10:10] GreyFoxx: after switching to an HDTV flatscreen and projector suddent all SDTV looked like crap :)
[21:10:20] iamlindoro__: justinh, If Planet Earth won't do it for you, nothing will
[21:10:28] justinh: it doesn't
[21:10:45] GreyFoxx: iamlindoro: I've yet to see that I've I've heard it's amazing
[21:10:46] J-e-f-f-A|work: peoples: yeah, don't expect 400x480 to be anwhere near HD, but it looks great on a 20" tv with S-video (my son's room...)  ;-) I can definitely see the difference on my myth pc's though...
[21:11:00] iamlindoro__: Then you've saved a bunch of money by getting to wait out a generation.... QHDTV for justinh!
[21:11:09] justinh: 480x480 isn't even SDTV in the UK
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[21:11:27] iamlindoro__: GreyFoxx, It really it fantastic IMO-- worth renting at the very least.
[21:13:38] peoples: i'm here in europe / vienna .. so i think sdtv here is pal with res. 576 right ?
[21:13:56] iamlindoro__: 720 x 576
[21:13:58] justinh: only way HD would be worth it IMHO is on a big screen where SD just wouldn't cut it at a regular viewing distance (i.e. > 32 inches diagonal)
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[21:14:38] justinh: besides anything else, can't get HD that'll work with mythtv in the UK yet other than one measly channel
[21:14:44] Eemak: hi friends
[21:14:50] kormoc: justinh, I got a hdtv purely to get away from the crt old one I had
[21:14:55] hads: Same over here.
[21:15:00] Eemak: plz help, i just switched locations physically of my myth box, and i thought i set it up correctly, but after i change a channel mythtv bombs
[21:15:12] Eemak: ending with this: Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy
[21:15:18] hads: Not that our small town will even receive the DVB-T broadcast.
[21:15:22] justinh: if we needed the space behind the TV I'd go for a flat panel
[21:15:29] justinh: but we don't ;)
[21:15:36] kormoc: justinh, it's the whine!
[21:15:41] ** kormoc shudders **
[21:16:14] justinh: I can't hear the 15.625khz anymore :)
[21:17:13] justinh: I'll holler if I ever see a flat panel which produces natural looking pics, k
[21:18:30] Eemak: if i am jusing using coax, i don't need to specify a channel change command, right?
[21:18:37] J-e-f-f-A|work: justinh: Yeah 480x480 isn't sdtv here either... More like 640x480... But you guys have more vertical scan lines... 576... ;-)
[21:18:52] Eemak: 2008-04–16 16:18:32.308 RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out.
[21:18:56] Eemak: does that have something to do with it?
[21:21:08] pembo13_com: J-e-f-f-A|work, i tried mixer, mixer1, mixer2 and Alsa:default, all with Master, none worked
[21:25:41] peoples: is it possible to change the transcoding profile of a recorded movie ?
[21:27:55] kormoc: Eemak, it seems like it might think there's a remote frontend. Did you change ip or hostnames of the box?
[21:28:13] Eemak: kormoc: yes sir, but i thought i changed all that in mythtvsetup accordingly
[21:28:40] Eemak: ooo, do i need to change something in mythfrontend too?
[21:32:16] Eemak: man, i seem to be mising something
[21:32:18] Eemak: missing
[21:32:25] kormoc: Eemak, but did you delete the old ones or does it think there's another be?
[21:32:40] Eemak: kormoc: i had to get a new listing from schedulesdirect, i updated it all
[21:32:45] Eemak: and it changes channels now, but there
[21:32:49] Eemak: is no data on a lot of the channels
[21:33:04] kormoc: Eemak, and you deleted the old channels?
[21:33:12] Eemak: as far as i know
[21:33:15] Eemak: let me do it again
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[21:34:26] Eemak: kormoc: are you supposed to let it scan for channels?
[21:34:28] Eemak: with coax?
[21:34:32] kormoc: Eemak, no
[21:34:41] kormoc: Eemak, you run mythfilldatabase and get the info from SD
[21:34:56] Eemak: weird
[21:39:29] Eemak: kormoc: i run mythfilldatabase and it says
[21:39:44] Eemak: oh wait
[21:41:27] peoples: Hm , in my recording profiles there is no way to change the capture resolution ?
[21:41:49] Eemak: man, what am i missing here
[21:42:24] Eemak: i have all the listings now, etc, but it's just no data on any of the channels i turn to
[21:42:52] kormoc: peoples, that all depends on your card/source
[21:44:50] peoples: k thanks.. :)
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[21:46:16] Hilikus: hey guys
[21:46:23] peoples: kormoc: u know , is there some way to change the transcode profile of a allways recorded movie ?
[21:47:01] Hilikus: im trying to play a recording on a window smachine to compare quality but neither quicktime nor wmp10 are able to play it, apparently im missing a codec. which codec do i need?
[21:47:20] kormoc: Hilikus, depends on your recording settings
[21:47:32] kormoc: peoples, donno offhand, it's not something I do
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[21:47:51] Hilikus: im using a pvr-150
[21:48:09] Hilikus: encoding to mpg but i guess is not a standard mpeg??
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[21:48:57] kormoc: Hilikus, it's mpeg-2 likely, but check the stream type (ps vs ts, etc)
[21:49:08] kormoc: you might need to get a mpeg2-ts codec
[21:49:18] Hilikus: im using special dvd 2 or something like that
[21:49:32] ** kormoc blinks **
[21:49:45] Hilikus: is that a proprietary codec?
[21:49:52] kormoc: well, guess you need a special dvd 2 codec
[21:49:54] ** kormoc shrugs **
[21:51:15] Hilikus: "DVD-Special 2 is the one Microsoft XP Media Center Edition "
[21:51:17] Hilikus: :S
[21:51:40] Hilikus: and thus is the one that gets the most attention in the firmware.
[21:51:40] Hilikus: > Its generally recommended as the best one to use (I use it myself on
[21:51:40] Hilikus: > all my cards).
[21:51:45] Hilikus: thats why i use it
[21:53:16] hads: huh?
[21:54:08] Hilikus: so any idea how to play that on win xp anyone?
[21:55:04] hads: I'd venture a guess most people here aren't Windows users so wouldn't know.
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[21:55:47] Hilikus: :S
[21:56:07] Hilikus: i just want see if my bad video quality is because of my card's tvout
[21:56:26] Hilikus: or if its in the recording itself
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[21:59:53] Seeker`: Is there ever going to be a way to stop streams being recorded to hard drive before they are displayed? I'm thinking specifically for using games consoles
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[22:00:12] Eeemak: kormoc: i am really confused. the coax cable is fine and everything, but i don't get any of the channels
[22:00:18] Eeemak: i mean, it's all black and white junk
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[22:02:43] Eeemak: i mean, could i have the wrong listing selected on schedulesdirect?
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[22:03:58] portahex: Seeker`, no, never. mythtv is a pvr. pvrs have a delay.
[22:05:11] Seeker`: that sucks – to get my wii to play throug hthe TV card I have to play with v4l, which seems to break the sound on my recordings
[22:05:36] Seeker`: most pvrs dont have weather forecasts or game emulators either :P
[22:07:06] portahex: consider that the only type of tv card which is "fast" enough to do it, framegrabbers, are disrecommended as shit at every step ANYWAY
[22:07:56] Seeker`: I have managed to get it running through my pvr150 composite input, it just seemed to break the sound at the same time
[22:08:03] portahex: and consider also that myth is a distributed system – you still need to capture the image (via low-quality composite or svideo), send it over a network, then display on a frontend
[22:08:36] portahex: latency latency latency latency latency
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[22:17:31] iamlindoro: Wheeeee, the giganto-reshape begins
[22:17:45] portahex: iamlindoro, is latency involved?
[22:18:05] iamlindoro: Sure, why not
[22:18:14] iamlindoro: what are we talking about?
[22:18:23] portahex: latency. can never have too much.
[22:18:32] Eeemak: kormoc: are you still around?
[22:18:34] iamlindoro: Mmm, MOAR LAY10C
[22:19:01] iamlindoro: A scant 2500 minutes until the reshape is completed
[22:19:11] portahex: bollocks to it, OMG IT'S A BEAR! http://mfrost.typepad.com/photos/uncategorize . . . 8ahlarge.jpg
[22:19:17] portahex: iamlindoro, reshape?
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[22:19:35] iamlindoro: of my RAID array... need MOAR EMM BEEs
[22:21:59] fryfrog: iamlindoro: live raid5 grow?
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[22:22:18] iamlindoro: fryfrog: only live in that the drives are plugged in, everythings unmounted
[22:22:23] iamlindoro: er everything's
[22:22:25] fryfrog: ah
[22:22:41] dustybin: ive got to make some artwork 19 times bigger than its original size, what would that be as a percentage?
[22:22:43] fryfrog: you know you can use it as it does its jazz, i'm sure?
[22:22:43] iamlindoro: Just going to take a long, long.... long time
[22:22:52] fryfrog: 1900%?
[22:23:04] dustybin: aye i yes
[22:23:09] dustybin: thanks :D
[22:23:11] iamlindoro: fryfrog: yeah, but 40 hours is long enough without using it :)
[22:23:15] Eeemak: kormoc: i dont understand, i turn it to the same channel that the tv is in the room, yet i don't get any information on myth
[22:23:16] dustybin: how the f*** is this going to fit
[22:23:53] fryfrog: iamlindoro: what did you add? i grew mine once by 320G (1 drive) then a while later, by 640G (2 drives at once)
[22:24:09] iamlindoro: fryfrog: 4TB -> 5TB
[22:24:21] fryfrog: I think they both took about 48 hours, and I used them the whole time... but of course, my usage is very light.
[22:24:24] fryfrog: adding 1 drive or?
[22:24:29] iamlindoro: yup
[22:25:18] iamlindoro: Thing is I really don't *need* anything on there at the moment, recordings go to another drive so I just can't watch movies, no harm there during the work week
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[23:10:40] neztiti: guys any one succeed to get dxr3 to work with mythtv???
[23:11:51] GreyFoxx: As far as I know I'm the only one to ever do it
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[23:20:28] portahex: GreyFoxx, were you bored?
[23:22:51] fryfrog: wth is dxr3?
[23:23:08] portahex: fryfrog, if memory serves, an mpeg2 decoder card from the early dvd era
[23:23:19] portahex: possibly from creative labs
[23:23:56] GreyFoxx: yeah
[23:24:06] fryfrog: oh, holey cow
[23:24:07] GreyFoxx: realmagic hollywood plus, or creative labs dxr3
[23:24:09] fryfrog: i have once of those!
[23:24:21] GreyFoxx: mpeg2 decoder pci card + tv + vga passthrough
[23:24:25] fryfrog: probably covered in cat pee, but at least i recognize what you are talking about
[23:24:27] portahex: is it sad that was from memory?
[23:24:33] fryfrog: back in the day when cpu could hardly decode mpeg2 :)
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[23:36:00] ice9: does mythtv support IPTV (3 seperate streams)
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[23:40:02] iamlindoro_: ice9: Myth does have IPTV support, but not any which will work with any US providers-- in fact, the only ones I'm aware of it working with are a few European providers
[23:41:40] kormoc: iamlindoro, there are iptv devices like the hdhomerun that it works with
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[23:42:08] iamlindoro_: kormoc: Well I don't think that's what he's asking
[23:42:26] iamlindoro_: sounds more like he has an IPTV television provider
[23:44:00] kormoc: iamlindoro, unless he has three hdhomeruns :P
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[23:44:32] iamlindoro_: kormoc: Do you honestly believe that's what his question is, or are you just splitting hairs to be difficult?
[23:45:16] kormoc: iamlindoro_, meh, just pointing out that you don't know any more then I do, and thus, both are a possibility
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[23:52:11] keithy4: what is the primary key for the channels?
[23:52:33] ice9: why don't you think it wouldn't work with US
[23:53:10] ice9: if mytv supports IPTV using multi streams should be able to conf it right
[23:53:38] keithy4: how the hell does it know to schedule something on 53.6 on the digital tuner, when I set it to record on channel 6? does it use the xmltvid?
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[23:54:40] iamlindoro_: Because US IPTV Television providers all use more or less proprietary implementations, and encryption to boot to keep you from doing just that. More or less, if you can get it working in VLC, it will work in Myth. If not, not. If you are in the US, it'll be not.
[23:55:14] iamlindoro_: unless you have a small local IPTV provider that does something different, of course. Anything possible.
[23:55:20] iamlindoro_: er Anything's
[23:55:24] ice9: yeah I do
[23:55:40] ice9: small provider that provides IPTV
[23:55:48] ice9: 3 streams
[23:55:55] iamlindoro_: Then if you can open one of the multicast strems in VLC, you ought to be able to get it working in Myth too
[23:56:21] ice9: hmm thats interesting
[23:56:29] ice9: VLC you say
[23:57:46] keithy4: what's an example of an IPTV provider?
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[23:59:08] iamlindoro: AT&T uVerse is the big US one, strictly IP-only speaking. Verizon FIOS is IP to the house and modulated to QAM from there.

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