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| [00:12:55] | SlicerDicer: | J-e-f-f-A you here? |
| [00:14:54] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: firewire does its own thing now? |
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| [00:15:16] | SlicerDicer: | as in bus resets and all |
| [00:15:37] | markl_: | ok i am reinstalling mythtv 0.21. and of course, s/pdif doesn't work. is it still a complete pita to set up? |
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| [00:19:31] | nevyn: | WFM :) |
| [00:20:02] | nevyn: | setting the passthrough device in setup wfm |
| [00:20:46] | SlicerDicer: | meh this bites :/ |
| [00:20:53] | SlicerDicer: | recording HD does not record it for some reason |
| [00:20:56] | SlicerDicer: | it seems nerfed |
| [00:21:00] | SlicerDicer: | LOL I said nerfed |
| [00:21:21] | nevyn: | poit? |
| [00:21:25] | SlicerDicer: | as in it seems that the HD coming out of firewire is severely crippled in terms of resolution :/ |
| [00:21:34] | nevyn: | :( |
| [00:21:38] | nevyn: | cablecard? |
| [00:21:39] | SlicerDicer: | I am getting SD out of the HD via firewire what garbage is that? |
| [00:21:42] | SlicerDicer: | no... |
| [00:21:51] | SlicerDicer: | I am hooked up to STB via firewire |
| [00:22:27] | SlicerDicer: | one is dedicated to record HD content via firewire the other is setup to record SD content with my hauppauge with firewire changing the channels heh |
| [00:22:30] | SlicerDicer: | firewire FTW! :) |
| [00:22:52] | nevyn: | hrm |
| [00:23:09] | nevyn: | what sort of STB? |
| [00:26:09] | nevyn: | markl_: I recently got spdif working for pcm and ac3 passthrough |
| [00:26:10] | SlicerDicer: | motorola |
| [00:26:17] | nevyn: | what service? |
| [00:26:25] | SlicerDicer: | just the normal type HD boxes that cableshits give out |
| [00:26:31] | nevyn: | ah |
| [00:26:33] | SlicerDicer: | be it comshit or cableone or whatever |
| [00:26:36] | markl_: | ok it works in mythtv, but the ubuntu sounds, mplayer, vlc don't work |
| [00:27:27] | markl_: | next problem – when i try to skip ahead 30 seconds in a video, the timer skips to the end and the video doesn't move |
| [00:27:28] | nevyn: | mplayer you need to append --ao alsa:spdif --ac hwac3 |
| [00:27:48] | markl_: | 0.20 didn't seem to have this problem |
| [00:27:54] | nevyn: | markl_: there's a more general solution on the wiki using a asoundrc |
| [00:28:03] | nevyn: | for the spdif out stuff |
| [00:28:37] | markl_: | and finally, my ipod video plays without sound – is there a way to find out what codec is missing? |
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| [00:34:33] | savageone: | howdie folks |
| [00:35:23] | savageone: | I'm trying to setup a frontned or secondary backend, either one I try it won't take my master backends mysql password but I got it from the mysql.txt file |
| [00:35:50] | savageone: | I dunno what to do maybe is there a way to do a connection from the command line so I can see what it's failing at or does this test connection button keep a log |
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| [00:55:09] | Aval0n: | anyone know why mtd would not work |
| [00:55:21] | Aval0n: | It does the whole DVD then spits out input output error to console |
| [00:56:15] | Anduin: | Aval0n: There are many possible reasons, what does the log actually say? |
| [00:56:21] | justinh: | no write access to the wherever it's set to store the video? |
| [00:57:02] | justinh: | oyay channel4 has started going FTA on Astra! |
| [01:01:05] | justinh: | yay for spot beams |
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| [01:07:59] | goreguts: | hi, how can i change the default starting channel (or tuner) for when I start watching live tv? |
| [01:08:20] | Anduin: | goreguts: it remembers the last tuned channel |
| [01:08:34] | markl_: | why does mythmusic have to suck so hard |
| [01:08:44] | goreguts: | ah ha, thanks didn't realize that |
| [01:09:44] | Aval0n: | justinh |
| [01:09:47] | Aval0n: | it should have write access |
| [01:09:53] | Aval0n: | it's the mythtv user that's logged in |
| [01:09:58] | Aval0n: | and the folder is mythtv.mythtv |
| [01:11:45] | Aval0n: | Anduin: I don't have a log file for it |
| [01:11:47] | justinh: | markl_: because you've not submitted all your patches to make it work better just yet |
| [01:12:42] | markl_: | justinh: true enough |
| [01:12:55] | markl_: | ok it seems that mythtv doesn't like my mp4 with AAC audio |
| [01:13:29] | markl_: | is that just me, or does mythtv not support aac audio |
| [01:13:41] | Aval0n: | Error: DVDISOCopyThread dvd device read error |
| [01:13:44] | nevyn: | mythmusic should just be a daapt client. imho |
| [01:13:46] | Aval0n: | that's odd |
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| [01:14:02] | Aval0n: | this DVD-RW seems to read everything else okay and not a scratch on my DVD |
| [01:14:07] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [01:14:09] | Aval0n: | weird |
| [01:14:14] | justinh: | users who don't contribute should keep sssh IMHO |
| [01:18:24] | nevyn: | justinh: that's also a fair call ;) |
| [01:18:28] | Aval0n: | justinh: check PM |
| [01:19:09] | goreguts: | when i'm watching hdtv (live or recording) every few minutes the audio/video will freeze for a couple seconds, do you think more ram will help with this or will i need a better processor (athlon 64 3400+ and 1 gig ram) |
| [01:20:24] | markl_: | goreguts: tough to say for sure, but i solved that problem by fixing the write caching |
| [01:20:34] | justinh: | jees. time for bed. nn all |
| [01:20:40] | markl_: | whenever the write cache was full it would freeze while it wrote the cache out to disk |
| [01:20:43] | goreguts: | what do you mean by fixing the wrote caching? |
| [01:20:52] | markl_: | let me see if i can remember the settings |
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| [01:21:12] | goreguts: | is that in the mythtv settings? |
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| [01:21:40] | markl_: | add this to the end of /etc/sysctl.conf |
| [01:21:41] | markl_: | vm.dirty_expire_centisecs = 100 |
| [01:21:41] | markl_: | vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs = 100 |
| [01:21:41] | markl_: | vm.dirty_ratio = 10 |
| [01:21:41] | markl_: | vm.dirty_background_ratio = 2 |
| [01:21:47] | markl_: | and then run sysctl -p |
| [01:22:06] | markl_: | and see if it helps. |
| [01:22:13] | goreguts: | will that effect recorded playback? |
| [01:22:21] | markl_: | probably not |
| [01:22:26] | goreguts: | i wouldnt think it has to write anything for that |
| [01:24:52] | markl_: | yeah good point, i think my problem was playback while it was recording |
| [01:25:23] | markl_: | if it is possible to run top while playback is going on maybe you can get a clue from that |
| [01:25:55] | goreguts: | yea i've been checking that out |
| [01:26:11] | goreguts: | CPU hasn't gone past 80%, that i can tell |
| [01:26:53] | markl_: | i never had luck with a single core cpu either, but my problem was just a few frame drops |
| [01:26:57] | markl_: | not a total freeze |
| [01:27:29] | goreguts: | hm |
| [01:28:44] | goreguts: | looks like most of my ram is being used up |
| [01:29:01] | goreguts: | maybe it freezes when it hits swap |
| [01:29:11] | ajh: | NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: myth://192.168.1.135:6543/2510_20080414212843.mpg |
| [01:29:28] | ajh: | I've been getting that a lot for the last day or two and the backend dies shortly after. |
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| [01:32:34] | ajh: | Ah, I forgot to turn off the clearly broken 'use card for active EIT scan' |
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| [02:50:44] | markl_: | goreguts: how much ram do you have? |
| [02:51:08] | markl_: | i had bad luck with 512mb, but 1g was tolerable |
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| [03:02:04] | Davo_Dinkum: | if i use a motherboard that has no CPU frequency scaling support, can i still make it run quietly? |
| [03:02:43] | Davo_Dinkum: | http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . GA-M57SLI-S4 this mobo |
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| [03:14:04] | magius_pendragon: | myth won't move to livetv, only things that look like errors are GetEntryAt(-1) failed, EntryToPRogram(today) failed to get pginfo, TV Error: LiveTV not successfuly started |
| [03:14:14] | magius_pendragon: | any thought son how to fix it? google has been kinda unhelpful |
| [03:14:44] | fryfrog: | maybe use a "-v help" option to get some more verbose output |
| [03:14:51] | fryfrog: | then paste the log into pastebin.ca or what not |
| [03:14:57] | iamlindoro: | or look at the backen log, since frontend logs are useless |
| [03:15:02] | magius_pendragon: | thanks |
| [03:15:19] | cesman: | query iamlindoro |
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| [03:15:31] | iamlindoro: | All that error means is "Oh shit I can't watch TV for some reason"... you need to be looking at the backend log |
| [03:19:44] | SlicerDicer: | http://legatissimo.info/node/355 yes no good idea bad idea? |
| [03:21:01] | dleifer: | All my tuners on my BE/FE are unavailable. I rebooted this morning to find this. I've deleted and re-added all the tuners and sources. Any help please? |
| [03:23:30] | magius_pendragon: | sweet got it, it was a corrupted table marker |
| [03:23:33] | magius_pendragon: | thanks |
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| [03:25:50] | dleifer: | Have 1 PCHDTV3000, 2 PVR250, 1 PVR500. Using KM R5F1. Been working great for months. |
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| [03:29:30] | hadees: | is mythtv supposed to make sounds when a progress bar is going? every time i see one like when i am having mythvideo look for new files i get a low squealing sound out of my speakers. I know it is mythtv and not my hardware because the sound goes away if i mute the tv. |
| [03:29:37] | hadees: | it is really annoying |
| [03:31:55] | Agrajag-: | i get noises from my computer from my speakers too, it's not mythtv's fault (if this is the same kind of issue). i hear extra noises when the dvd drive is spinning and if i turn up my speakers really loud, i can even hear noises when the mouse is moving. |
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| [03:32:15] | Agrajag-: | i suspect it has something to do with the soundcard being onboard and crappy |
| [03:32:30] | hadees: | hmm i do use the on board sound card |
| [03:32:34] | hadees: | maybe i should switch that |
| [03:32:47] | hadees: | i only hear the noise when the progress bar is moving |
| [03:33:07] | hadees: | i guess it could happen other times when actual music is being played |
| [03:33:12] | Agrajag-: | perhaps it's somethign to do with cpu usage, i dunno |
| [03:33:12] | hadees: | or sound |
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| [03:39:07] | cesman: | dleifer: check you logs |
| [03:39:17] | cesman: | /var/log/mythtv |
| [03:39:49] | dleifer: | I'm there. "AutoExpire: Found 0 recorders ..." |
| [03:40:04] | dleifer: | dmesg shows the cards |
| [03:44:16] | cesman: | dleifer: as in Dave from the OCLUG? |
| [03:44:33] | dleifer: | That's me! |
| [03:45:19] | dleifer: | Hi cesman |
| [03:46:10] | cesman: | hi dleifer |
| [03:46:39] | cesman: | dleifer: join us in #knoppmyth |
| [03:46:54] | cesman: | dleifer: perhaps I'll give you a link to R5.5 RC |
| [03:48:58] | ** ajh hides from ocluggers. ** | |
| [03:49:21] | dleifer: | Oooh goody. I wouldn't mind if there was a magic solution for my recorders off-line..... |
| [03:49:49] | ajh: | Well, since I disabled all EIT parsing my crashing stopped. |
| [03:50:55] | ajh: | and new kernel stopped the 100% load on the backend. |
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| [03:51:39] | ajh: | and somehow by magic loads all around dropped : |
| [03:55:33] | Davo_Dinkum: | anyone tried mythtv on hardy? |
| [03:55:45] | fryfrog: | anyone running hardy and mythtv :) |
| [03:55:48] | fryfrog: | helpful, i am |
| [03:56:36] | dleifer: | hardy and mythtv ~= mythbuntu 8.04 |
| [03:56:55] | Davo_Dinkum: | does the nv driver support 1920x1080? |
| [03:59:43] | fryfrog: | why not use nvidia driver? |
| [04:00:13] | Davo_Dinkum: | it's non-free |
| [04:00:28] | Davo_Dinkum: | as in freedom. |
| [04:00:56] | iamlindoro_: | It also works |
| [04:01:02] | iamlindoro_: | as in putting pitchers on the screen |
| [04:01:15] | Davo_Dinkum: | pitchers go on the table |
| [04:01:33] | fryfrog: | ahha |
| [04:03:26] | iamlindoro_: | might as well put a series of pictures on the table given how the nv driver performs |
| [04:04:19] | nevyn: | nuveo has promise. |
| [04:04:28] | nevyn: | but nv is a deadend |
| [04:04:44] | Davo_Dinkum: | are there other drivers for nvidia cards? |
| [04:05:49] | nevyn: | nuevo or whatever it's called being done by Dave Airly (again spelling sucks) |
| [04:05:54] | JohnMahowald: | nouveau is't ready yet |
| [04:06:03] | nevyn: | that one. |
| [04:06:04] | iamlindoro_: | Let it go and install the proprietary driver. It's the only viable choice ATM |
| [04:06:09] | nevyn: | but it's got potential |
| [04:07:15] | ** nevyn feels dirty using the proprietary driver. ** | |
| [04:07:51] | nevyn: | what's worse is that the current primary system has TWO nvidia cards in it. |
| [04:08:01] | nevyn: | one onboard and an add-in adapter |
| [04:08:24] | JohnMahowald: | Yeah mine too. Sad thing is the onboard is better. |
| [04:09:02] | nevyn: | the onboard in my case is a 6xxx and the add-in is a 7xxx something |
| [04:09:24] | nevyn: | I can justify it in that nouveau is gonna get there eventually. |
| [04:13:08] | clever: | 2008-04–15 01:13:03.549 ERROR retrieving program info when trying to delete program for chanid 1051 recorded at Fri Jan 11 06:59:00 2008. Recording will NOT be deleted. |
| [04:13:11] | clever: | 2008-04–15 01:13:03.568 mythbackend: Delete Recording: Unable to retrieve program info for chanid 1051 at Fri Jan 11 06:59:00 2008. Program will NOT be deleted. |
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| [04:24:03] | Davo_Dinkum: | what about an ati card? |
| [04:24:14] | Davo_Dinkum: | radeon |
| [04:26:22] | nevyn: | I have a radeon r3xx card but the driver is not quite there as well. |
| [04:26:22] | Davo_Dinkum: | something like http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HIS-RADEON-9250-128-MB . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [04:26:34] | Davo_Dinkum: | :/ |
| [04:27:25] | Davo_Dinkum: | oh wait that's agp |
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| [04:42:20] | ShiftyPowers: | is the Internal player just as good as mplayer nowadays? |
| [04:44:05] | cecil: | while it is good, I'm of the opinion it isn't as good as |
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| [04:44:20] | ShiftyPowers: | as? mplayer? |
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| [05:05:57] | nevyn: | that'd be it. |
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| [07:47:56] | justinh: | hmmm based on my own experiences I think I'll refrain from commenting about a new theme screenshot somebody has posted on a forum. Something needs to be said but I don't want to be the one who breaks their spirit |
| [07:48:25] | Davo_Dinkum: | link? |
| [07:49:06] | justinh: | how many mythtv forums are there? |
| [07:49:20] | justinh: | only about 3 to choose from |
| [07:52:34] | Davo_Dinkum: | i thought you were talking about a particular screenshot |
| [07:53:10] | justinh: | one screenshot.. and there aren't many mythtv forums |
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| [08:05:52] | Davo_Dinkum: | are PCIexpress tv tuners available? |
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| [08:32:19] | janne: | Hello! I have problen with latest mythtv version. |
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| [08:34:34] | hads: | Davo_Dinkum: Linux support isn't there yet for PCI Express |
| [08:34:50] | Davo_Dinkum: | :/ |
| [08:34:56] | Solarbaby: | dleifer: I remember you from the forums... long time no talk |
| [08:34:56] | Davo_Dinkum: | ok |
| [08:35:16] | Solarbaby: | oops.. i was memorexxing in back logs again |
| [08:35:28] | Solarbaby: | hate it when I do that |
| [08:35:58] | hads: | janne: Just ask |
| [08:36:51] | Solarbaby: | are they going to put out a new mythbuntu iso soon? |
| [08:37:16] | hads: | Solarbaby: Well Hardy is due for release soon so I'd imagine yes. |
| [08:37:29] | hads: | Solarbaby: Try #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [08:37:43] | Solarbaby: | thanks |
| [08:38:13] | janne: | I get a error when i install it: Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?) |
| [08:39:01] | janne: | Then the hd is on blinkin all the time until i uninstall the mythtv. |
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| [08:41:37] | janne: | and when I starr backend I get a errormessage No UPnP backend found. |
| [08:41:52] | janne: | sory start |
| [08:45:51] | janne: | I tryed the #ubuntu-mythtv mut there in no answer. |
| [08:48:26] | janne: | Sorry my englesh.:) |
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| [11:08:05] | rooaus: | Davo_Dinkum: Seems Chris Pascoe has experimental support with the dvico pcie dual express tuner, have been tempted to buy one to try it out. |
| [11:08:35] | Davo_Dinkum: | ah ok |
| [11:09:30] | Davo_Dinkum: | i think ill just get pci tuners |
| [11:09:45] | Davo_Dinkum: | i have to work out which mobo first though |
| [11:12:13] | justinh: | one with enough PCI slots :) |
| [11:12:56] | justinh: | now that multirec is well & truly in the land of the living you can get by with way less tuners than you previously needed though |
| [11:13:15] | Davo_Dinkum: | multirec? |
| [11:13:46] | justinh: | being able to record more than one channel at once using only one tuner |
| [11:13:56] | Davo_Dinkum: | :o really? |
| [11:13:58] | Davo_Dinkum: | how? |
| [11:13:59] | justinh: | provided they're on the same multiplex/transponder |
| [11:14:18] | justinh: | magic, that's how! |
| [11:14:24] | Davo_Dinkum: | >_> |
| [11:14:31] | Davo_Dinkum: | just say you dont know |
| [11:14:49] | justinh: | I do know – it's magic! |
| [11:14:54] | Davo_Dinkum: | bah |
| [11:15:13] | Davo_Dinkum: | so how many channels could one card do? |
| [11:15:23] | Davo_Dinkum: | DVB-T, that is. |
| [11:15:30] | justinh: | depends on how many channels a transponder/multiplex carries |
| [11:15:51] | Davo_Dinkum: | erm how do i find out? |
| [11:16:01] | justinh: | what happened before was that myth was just ignoring the other streams but now it doesn't :) |
| [11:16:18] | justinh: | in the UK we generally have 5 or 6 T Vchannel per mux |
| [11:17:16] | Davo_Dinkum: | maybe we dont have them in aus |
| [11:17:29] | Davo_Dinkum: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplex_%28TV%29 |
| [11:18:10] | justinh: | maybe not. a waste of broadcast bandwidth if not though! |
| [11:18:30] | Davo_Dinkum: | yeah, sounds like a waste |
| [11:19:24] | justinh: | wow. mux 2 can carry about 8 channels |
| [11:19:39] | justinh: | shite quality though... |
| [11:20:04] | justinh: | put it this way I've had myth recording 10 shows at the same time – 6 or 7 TV shows out of those 10 – all from one tuner without any problems |
| [11:20:29] | Davo_Dinkum: | ...oh |
| [11:20:42] | justinh: | and aside from that on my production box with 3 tuners I NEVER get any conflicts anymore :) |
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| [11:20:57] | Davo_Dinkum: | so the other 3 or 4 shows didnt work? |
| [11:21:00] | justinh: | they're treated like virtual tuners in mythtv |
| [11:21:17] | justinh: | of the 10 shows only 6 or 7 were _TV_ |
| [11:21:25] | Davo_Dinkum: | oh |
| [11:22:04] | Davo_Dinkum: | and the others? |
| [11:22:09] | justinh: | btw UK folks – Channel 4's transponder on Astra has gone FTA. E4 will follow soonish allegedly |
| [11:22:25] | justinh: | they were radio shows & recorded just fine too |
| [11:22:38] | Davo_Dinkum: | FM radio? |
| [11:22:46] | justinh: | DVB-T radio |
| [11:22:57] | Davo_Dinkum: | lucky ducks <_< |
| [11:23:08] | justinh: | we get EIT data for the radio channels too :D |
| [11:23:19] | Davo_Dinkum: | shall i stab you now? |
| [11:23:32] | Davo_Dinkum: | is there support for FM radio tuners? |
| [11:23:35] | justinh: | nope |
| [11:24:11] | Davo_Dinkum: | yeah i asked about this and was told it's stupid |
| [11:24:24] | justinh: | mythfm was stupid |
| [11:24:29] | Davo_Dinkum: | why? |
| [11:24:35] | Davo_Dinkum: | buggy? |
| [11:24:51] | justinh: | it wasn't done properly. somebody needs to make an audio recorder class so that mythtv's existing scheduler & conflict management can be used |
| [11:25:01] | Davo_Dinkum: | oh ok |
| [11:25:08] | Davo_Dinkum: | bad implementation then |
| [11:25:18] | justinh: | awful implementation |
| [11:26:12] | Davo_Dinkum: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestr . . . in_Australia hmmm... |
| [11:26:37] | Davo_Dinkum: | so assuming i have mux, ill only need 1 hd tuner? |
| [11:27:43] | justinh: | wow that wikipedia article talks about digital TV yet convincingly manages to avoid using the word 'multiplex' |
| [11:28:10] | Davo_Dinkum: | maybe our tv is shite |
| [11:28:17] | Davo_Dinkum: | in aus |
| [11:30:17] | justinh: | ahh you have 5 multiplexes |
| [11:30:38] | justinh: | so however many channels you have are divided among those |
| [11:31:19] | rooaus: | Davo_Dinkum: ABC1, ABC2 and ABC3 (when it comes online) could be recorded with one tuner for instance. |
| [11:31:59] | Davo_Dinkum: | ah ok |
| [11:32:42] | Davo_Dinkum: | and then 7 sd and hd on a single tuner? |
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| [11:34:06] | Elwell: | Afternoon all – anyone here use a via eden EX series motherboard? whats the latest status on the video (unichrome2) – is it worth getting one of these? |
| [11:34:08] | rooaus: | Davo_Dinkum: Yeah, similar to ten and tenhd. |
| [11:34:24] | justinh: | Elwell: don't! just DON'T! |
| [11:34:58] | justinh: | Via stuff sucks at playing media |
| [11:35:07] | Elwell: | ok then – whats the lowest power / cheapest box that will do then :-) |
| [11:35:17] | Elwell: | frontend only – backend will be a separate box |
| [11:35:54] | justinh: | something with a core2 duo in it |
| [11:36:19] | justinh: | anything else is a waste of money. Via boards are more than a mere waste of money |
| [11:36:41] | Elwell: | seriously? that high a spec? |
| [11:36:55] | justinh: | do you want to play HDTV? |
| [11:37:27] | Elwell: | not this generation of hardware – it'll be a few years before we replace TV sets |
| [11:37:45] | Elwell: | its replacing a series1 tivo |
| [11:37:51] | justinh: | if SDTV is all you need, even a Via platform is not up to the job |
| [11:38:05] | justinh: | even a 1Ghz REAL CPU from AMD or intel would be better |
| [11:38:34] | Elwell: | k – thats what I figured and by the time I want HD there'll be a whole new pile of hardware to chose from |
| [11:38:54] | Elwell: | so back to looking for the lowest power consumption |
| [11:39:11] | justinh: | seriously I used to use a Via board – it was a piece of shit |
| [11:39:19] | Davo_Dinkum: | should i run far, far away from any mobo with via chipsets? |
| [11:39:25] | justinh: | no use even for standard def. TV |
| [11:39:48] | justinh: | Davo_Dinkum: in my experience it's not the chipsets which are the problem. It's their shitty Epia product line |
| [11:40:24] | Davo_Dinkum: | so an asus board with via chipsets is ok? |
| [11:40:50] | justinh: | possibly |
| [11:41:19] | justinh: | I've never had any bother with their chipsets but I'm pretty much on my own in that dept according to folklore |
| [11:42:00] | ** Davo_Dinkum moves such mobos to the bottom of the list ** | |
| [11:45:01] | ** Elwell has an aged duron1300 with a crappy onboard via chipset that sucks, but it *was* deliberately bought as the cheapest combination in the shop at the time ** | |
| [11:45:27] | Elwell: | and works fine as a headless DB server wich was its role |
| [11:45:41] | justinh: | Davo_Dinkum: FYI the system which does 10 recordings from one card at the same time is based on a KT233 chipset :P |
| [11:46:14] | Elwell: | justinh: that dumps the entire mux down? |
| [11:46:21] | Davo_Dinkum: | KT333? |
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| [11:47:14] | Davo_Dinkum: | im assuming KT233 is a via chipset |
| [11:47:32] | Davo_Dinkum: | what 1tb sataII hd would people recommend? |
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| [11:58:18] | justinh: | or was it kt266? anyway it's an abit kt7-raid board with via chipset |
| [11:59:09] | justinh: | Davo_Dinkum: one with as few platters as possible. I think that rules out Hitachi |
| [11:59:14] | Davo_Dinkum: | lol ok |
| [11:59:27] | Davo_Dinkum: | i was thinking seagate anyway |
| [11:59:36] | Davo_Dinkum: | ive had a good run with them. |
| [12:00:27] | justinh: | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143288 |
| [12:00:32] | justinh: | under £100 now! |
| [12:01:13] | ** Davo_Dinkum waves an aussie flag ** | |
| [12:01:35] | Elwell: | Davo_Dinkum: OK OK + shipping then :-) |
| [12:01:49] | Davo_Dinkum: | ill buy locally thanks |
| [12:01:53] | Davo_Dinkum: | ooooh 32mb cache |
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| [12:03:49] | justinh: | spinpoints are fairly well regarded AFAIK |
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| [12:05:45] | Elwell: | justinh: out of interest what dvb card are you using for 10 channels? |
| [12:06:11] | justinh: | some crappy kworld thing |
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| [12:06:38] | Elwell: | because http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123327 is cheap |
| [12:07:05] | Elwell: | dunno what chipset it is though |
| [12:07:38] | justinh: | risky |
| [12:07:50] | justinh: | bought my kworld pci card from Maplin for £15 |
| [12:08:15] | Elwell: | cool |
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| [12:12:33] | justinh: | ahh it was avermedia not kworld |
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| [12:13:17] | justinh: | and now £25 not £15. heh http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=45603&doy=15m4 |
| [12:18:26] | Elwell: | like the dual tuner pci-e one |
| [12:20:31] | justinh: | forget all about pci-e tuners in linux unless you like to live on the knife edge |
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| [12:21:25] | Elwell: | not yet = I've gotta have something that passes the WAF test before I can tinker |
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| [12:28:25] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | you're wrong — hauppauge and dvico pcie cards work |
| [12:28:44] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | even on linux |
| [12:29:01] | justinh: | when your definition of 'work' means you have to use experimental drivers – yes of course |
| [12:29:25] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | ALL NEW devices require out-of-tree drivers |
| [12:29:59] | justinh: | .. which doesn't put them in a better position than pci-e devices |
| [12:30:00] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | tv card business moves so far that nobody wants to use the cards that are already supported in vanilla kernel |
| [12:30:11] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | i mean moves so fast |
| [12:30:22] | justinh: | more like nobody has a CHOICE |
| [12:30:33] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | that's what i am saying |
| [12:30:50] | justinh: | you said nobody wants... not the same thing |
| [12:30:50] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | you dont have a choice — if you want new hardware to work, you have to use the new drivers |
| [12:30:56] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | and kernel drivers are always old |
| [12:31:06] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | vanilla kernel i mean |
| [12:31:20] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | ugh |
| [12:31:39] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | i mean, "nobody wants to use drivers..." because nobody has the hardware |
| [12:31:51] | justinh: | older == usually more stable – and they happen to be the ones which come with distros |
| [12:31:57] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | new hardware needs new drivers, and kernel development isnt that fast enough, |
| [12:32:38] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | you'll almost never be able to buy a new card in the store take it home and it works without a driver install |
| [12:32:52] | justinh: | it's not just a case of development being slow. sometimes it's just not possible because of a lack of information being available to developers |
| [12:33:21] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | i think you're looking at it negative |
| [12:33:34] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | im just saying, you shouldnt complain about "experimental" drivers |
| [12:33:39] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | everything starts somewhere |
| [12:33:52] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | and if nobody tried the new drivers, then nobody will ever reporta bug |
| [12:34:00] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | if nobody tries it, then bobody will know it works fine |
| [12:34:16] | justinh: | if hardware manufacturers gave a shit about linux... |
| [12:34:52] | justinh: | I for one don't want to use unreliable crap in my DVR |
| [12:34:57] | justinh: | so I stick to hardware I KNOW works |
| [12:35:11] | justinh: | many others do the same & nobody can blame them for that |
| [12:35:38] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | thats ok |
| [12:35:42] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | my point is this: |
| [12:35:42] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | (08:20:31 AM) justinh: forget all about pci-e tuners in linux unless you like to live on the knife edge |
| [12:35:47] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | ^^ wyou're wrong |
| [12:35:58] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | dont scare people away — it helps nobody |
| [12:36:26] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | anyway, thats all – -u helped me with my mythtv the past when you had a different name |
| [12:36:36] | justinh: | yeah fuck you |
| [12:36:37] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | so, i dont wanna critize u much :-) |
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| [12:36:48] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | woooooow |
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| [12:39:33] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | Elwell: im sorry if i chased him away from talking to you |
| [12:41:05] | Elwell: | np |
| [12:41:28] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | i talk to some of the linux developers and i heard new pcie stuff coming soon |
| [12:41:48] | Elwell: | like most thing on IRC – I tend to take advice with a lot of googling and lurking |
| [12:41:56] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | also, looks like somebody almost has dual tuners working in the af9015 driver, and i think thats the chip inside your DTV-1200 stick |
| [12:42:30] | ** Elwell has the old (gen1) freecom USB stick ** | |
| [12:43:08] | Davo_Dinkum: | do you find that usb tuners require more cpu power to handle the usb overhead? |
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| [12:43:52] | Elwell: | Davo_Dinkum: I can't compare it to anything non-usb, but record only takes so little CPU IME |
| [12:44:10] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | i dont think cpu has to think about "usb overhead" at all |
| [12:44:17] | Davo_Dinkum: | ok |
| [12:44:20] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | thats what usb hardware is for |
| [12:44:22] | Elwell: | I have a duron 1300 which hits a load of ~.1 / .2 when recording |
| [12:44:31] | Davo_Dinkum: | sd? |
| [12:44:46] | Elwell: | and some of thats me running 'top' |
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| [13:01:17] | Davo_Dinkum: | http://download29.mediafire.com/imiebtz1mg0g/ . . . htv_mobo.pdf well this is my list of mobos so far |
| [13:06:23] | Davo_Dinkum: | or http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1600/mythmobowp3.png |
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| [13:11:33] | Davo_Dinkum: | no thoughts on that? |
| [13:16:02] | Davo_Dinkum: | http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_ . . . 96834,00.jpg what's the yellow port on the bottom left? |
| [13:16:16] | Davo_Dinkum: | tv out? |
| [13:16:34] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | its either tv out or digital coax |
| [13:17:04] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | i think ptobably digital coax, since it looks like there is not intergated graphics |
| [13:17:28] | Davo_Dinkum: | that's what i thought |
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| [13:18:26] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | atcually, thats a good question, now... i dont know what it is |
| [13:18:48] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | its definately the connection for rca jack |
| [13:18:56] | Davo_Dinkum: | yep |
| [13:19:03] | Davo_Dinkum: | digital coax audio is usually black i think |
| [13:19:19] | Davo_Dinkum: | yellow composite connectors are for video |
| [13:19:44] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | it would make most sense if its digital coax audio,m but the yellow makes me think video... but if theres no intergarted video, then its not video |
| [13:20:08] | Davo_Dinkum: | ??? |
| [13:20:27] | Davo_Dinkum: | from http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1812903,00.asp |
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| [13:29:28] | Davo_Dinkum: | "Universal Audio Jack" |
| [13:29:45] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | mono rca audio ?? boooo |
| [13:30:02] | Davo_Dinkum: | heh doubt it |
| [13:30:21] | Davo_Dinkum: | seeing as it has *6* 3.5mm jacks on the right |
| [13:30:46] | XPertKnobTwiddlr: | its probably just that one is mono, in case you dont have 6 channel surround |
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| [13:31:25] | Davo_Dinkum: | what? no, you'd just use the stereo output jack |
| [13:31:38] | Davo_Dinkum: | it'd be 1 of the 3.5mm jacks |
| [13:33:23] | Davo_Dinkum: | it only has 2 sata ports. stingy |
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| [14:19:11] | wagner_: | i thought digital coax was usually orange |
| [14:22:07] | wagner_: | XPertKnobTwiddlr: USB has a very high overhead, since it was designed for peripherals rather than data throughput |
| [14:22:45] | wagner_: | thats why firewire is still used extensively in professional gear |
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| [14:34:01] | keith4: | can I change the channelnum field in the channels table? or, using the channel page in the configuration area of mythweb? |
| [14:34:33] | oeriksen: | I've just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 (Release Candidate) which also means mythtv to 0.21 and the menu text in mythtv frontend is invisible |
| [14:35:53] | oeriksen: | I can use mythtv with my remote, and pressing enter at my keyboard starts tv as it should, so the menu is there, only invisible |
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| [14:42:47] | sshirley: | Speaking of firewire....I just got a HDTV. :-D I want to be able to record HD content with my MythTV. I realize there are lots of obstacles. I can either use a HDHomeRun to record all but encrypted channels (of course most of the channels are probably encrypted). I could use the set-top box (which I will get in a week or so when I get digital cable service), but that is totally unknown territory to me. Any tips? |
| [14:45:05] | gnubien: | do some tv cards have video and audio in plugs so i can use the my dvd player for the tv? |
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| [14:47:32] | Davo_Dinkum: | yes, but DVDs with macrovision might not work |
| [14:47:52] | Davo_Dinkum: | well they will but the image and sound will be crap |
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| [14:48:43] | gnubien: | Davo_Dinkum: where to find the card that will do what i want? http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki ? |
| [14:49:10] | keith4: | oeriksen: font problem? |
| [14:49:26] | keith4: | or, change which render engine you're using |
| [14:49:40] | Davo_Dinkum: | any card that has AV input gnubien |
| [14:49:58] | Davo_Dinkum: | are you watching DVDs with macrovision on them? |
| [14:50:31] | GreyFoxx: | gnubien: Why not just use a DVDrom in the computer itself? |
| [14:50:34] | oeriksen: | keith4: mythfrontend --reset fixed the problem |
| [14:50:36] | GreyFoxx: | Why use an external player at all ? |
| [14:50:36] | gnubien: | Davo_Dinkum: great that any card with AV input will work, i'm new to dvd and tv stuff so dont know which marcrovision is |
| [14:51:07] | ** keith4 wonders why gnubien wouldn't just put the DVD in the computer ** | |
| [14:51:33] | gnubien: | keith4: i do now, just wondering if it would work |
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| [14:52:05] | gnubien: | keith4: rumor is mplayer's dvdnav still sucks |
| [14:52:06] | Davo_Dinkum: | are you watching copies DVDs or ones you bought from a shop? |
| [14:52:40] | gnubien: | Davo_Dinkum: no copies, just DVD's i bought at shops |
| [14:52:46] | GreyFoxx: | keith: Use mytht's internal player ? |
| [14:52:57] | Davo_Dinkum: | i doubt that they'll work |
| [14:53:01] | GreyFoxx: | I use it for all playback, including non recordings and dvd's |
| [14:53:38] | keith4: | macrovision = ANGRY FACE |
| [14:53:44] | Davo_Dinkum: | heh |
| [14:53:47] | gnubien: | what is the minimum ISP bandwidth needed to watch tv on a pc? |
| [14:53:56] | Davo_Dinkum: | macrovision is such a hack |
| [14:54:12] | Dibblah: | The only remaining issue I see with the Internal player is that it doesn't handle bad sectors at all. |
| [14:54:22] | Dibblah: | ie it just quits without retries :( |
| [14:54:32] | Davo_Dinkum: | >_> |
| [14:54:40] | Davo_Dinkum: | what if you rip it first? |
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| [14:54:59] | Dibblah: | That's OK – But I'd rather not have to. |
| [14:55:18] | gnubien: | does mythtv play a streaming tv feed or do you need to download the tv file first to play it? |
| [14:55:22] | Davo_Dinkum: | ok just wondering |
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| [14:55:37] | GreyFoxx: | Dibblah: Do you know of a disk I can try it on? So far it plays everyone I've thrown at it except all of the suddent it wont play my scooby doo disk (but that comes after my kid steped on the disk) |
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| [14:55:40] | Davo_Dinkum: | if i get a 1tb hdd i might as well rip some DVDs :D |
| [14:55:47] | GreyFoxx: | gnubien: myth doesn't stream the content from the internet |
| [14:56:14] | gnubien: | GreyFoxx: ok, download the tv file first, then play |
| [14:56:15] | GreyFoxx: | gnubien: Or are you referring to a frontend and backend? |
| [14:56:16] | Davo_Dinkum: | no youtube plugin? :/ |
| [14:57:00] | gnubien: | GreyFoxx: i'm totally new to tv stuff, just asking newbie questions now |
| [14:57:15] | GreyFoxx: | gnubien: Other than getting your listings, the internet isn't involved |
| [14:57:31] | gnubien: | GreyFoxx: i searched the mythtv faq and found no answers |
| [14:57:49] | GreyFoxx: | Myth can stream yourrecordings accross your network to another PC for playback, but that's still not related to the Int ernet itself :) |
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| [14:58:39] | gnubien: | GreyFoxx: does mythtv get its feeds from your cable tv box? |
| [14:59:27] | GreyFoxx: | gnubien: It depends on your situation. In my case I record analog cable via PVR cards, digital cable with a DVB card, and HDTV from the firewire output of a settop box |
| [14:59:37] | GreyFoxx: | so it can record from your settop box |
| [14:59:49] | gnubien: | ok |
| [15:01:55] | GreyFoxx: | myth is very flexible when it comes to recording sources |
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| [15:03:25] | gnubien: | GreyFoxx: great, i'm evaluating whether it is cost effective to buy a tv card with AV input to connect to external tv type DVD player and play DVD movies on my pc |
| [15:03:59] | Saviq: | gnubien why would you do that? |
| [15:03:59] | GreyFoxx: | I really don't see why you would do that |
| [15:04:09] | Saviq: | you can watch dvds on your pc directly |
| [15:04:22] | GreyFoxx: | you will loose some of the picture quality by going through the extra conversion |
| [15:04:22] | Saviq: | unless you mean HDDVD or BluRay |
| [15:04:43] | gnubien: | Saviq: my Lite-on DVD players only last about 2 years, wondering in regular tv DVD players last longer |
| [15:05:21] | GreyFoxx: | You add complexity of setup, and you add the risk of Macrovisioon preventing you from watching some stuff |
| [15:05:22] | Saviq: | I wouldn't think they would |
| [15:05:25] | GreyFoxx: | It's a loosing option really |
| [15:05:47] | sshirley: | Speaking of firewire....I just got a HDTV. :-D I want to be able to record HD content with my MythTV. I realize there are lots of obstacles. I can either use a HDHomeRun to record all but encrypted channels (of course most of the channels are probably encrypted). I could use the set-top box (which I will get in a week or so when I get digital cable service), but that is totally unknown territory to me. Any tips? |
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| [15:05:58] | gnubien: | ok, i'm in evaluation phase now so thanks for the input everyone |
| [15:06:01] | Saviq: | gnubien most of the standalone dvd players have the same type of dvd reader that's in pc readers |
| [15:06:07] | Saviq: | so no, there's no point in doing that |
| [15:06:37] | gnubien: | Saviq: ok, look before you leap... works for me...usually :) |
| [15:06:39] | Saviq: | sshirley: you could've changed something at least |
| [15:06:59] | sshirley: | lol |
| [15:07:01] | GreyFoxx: | sshirley: If you have the option use firewire |
| [15:07:02] | sshirley: | :-D |
| [15:07:12] | GreyFoxx: | But you wont know if it will work til you get it |
| [15:07:20] | wagner_: | sshirley: the only option at the moment is to try using firewire to grab video |
| [15:07:38] | sshirley: | If I connect my mythbox to the set-top box, that will enable me to change channels and record video directly? |
| [15:07:45] | wagner_: | if you can wait a month, hauppauge is selling a component capture box |
| [15:08:01] | GreyFoxx: | sshirley: You can capture and change over firewire if it's enabled on the box |
| [15:08:07] | wagner_: | it wont be as high quality as the direct digital transfer, but it will absolutely work |
| [15:08:15] | wagner_: | that is... if there are drivers |
| [15:08:17] | sshirley: | component capture box? url? |
| [15:08:19] | GreyFoxx: | otherwise if you are recording from the stb's ananlog outputs you will need and ir blaster |
| [15:08:53] | GreyFoxx: | sshr: the hdpvr he is referring to has a lot of promise, but noone has one yet :) |
| [15:09:00] | fn1: | GreyFoxx: you still using the msn's for your frontends? |
| [15:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | so don't count on it working with myth on day 1 :) |
| [15:09:02] | sshirley: | The STB will allow channel change plus video record? |
| [15:09:04] | wagner_: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hd_pvr.html |
| [15:09:32] | sshirley: | What about recording and watching at the same time? Is that possible with the firewire option? |
| [15:09:33] | GreyFoxx: | fn1: I still have them, but since getting the projector and new flatscreen I rarely watch TV outside of my main room now which uses a PC frontend :) |
| [15:09:55] | gnubien: | ciao |
| [15:09:57] | wagner_: | sshirley: most likely not |
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| [15:10:03] | GreyFoxx: | sshirley: recording and watching? Well myth does that by itself, so sure |
| [15:10:25] | wagner_: | greyfoxx: not using a single STB |
| [15:10:27] | GreyFoxx: | or do you mean watch a different channel on the TV via the STB while myth records a different one via firewire ? Cause that wont work |
| [15:10:39] | GreyFoxx: | wagner_: If you are watching what you are recording it will |
| [15:10:41] | fn1: | got cha.. was just wondering i saw something manybe a month ago.. where they figured out something on the bios looked like it would make them more robust perhaps |
| [15:10:44] | wagner_: | fair enough |
| [15:10:57] | sshirley: | lol |
| [15:11:07] | GreyFoxx: | fn1: They have linuxbios running on them now |
| [15:11:18] | GreyFoxx: | got most of the stuff working except for TVout |
| [15:11:21] | sshirley: | GreyFox: I meant like dual-inputs. i.e. Watching one station and recording another |
| [15:11:28] | GreyFoxx: | sshirley: no |
| [15:11:33] | sshirley: | :-( |
| [15:11:55] | sshirley: | damn! |
| [15:12:06] | wagner_: | you just have to get... a second box! |
| [15:12:11] | sshirley: | Is that possible at all? |
| [15:12:15] | sshirley: | yuck |
| [15:12:24] | ** Davo_Dinkum still doesnt know how many tuners he needs ** | |
| [15:14:43] | directhex: | 11 |
| [15:14:57] | Davo_Dinkum: | oh thanks |
| [15:15:04] | Davo_Dinkum: | just mail them to me |
| [15:15:13] | directhex: | the correct number of tuners is 11. |
| [15:15:41] | Davo_Dinkum: | you dont even know my requirements |
| [15:15:54] | wagner_: | now how many hard drives do you need to be able to capture that many of tuners simultaneously |
| [15:16:09] | Davo_Dinkum: | 1 |
| [15:16:10] | GreyFoxx: | wagner_: not many, I've tested it many times |
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| [15:17:00] | wagner_: | you just need a fair bit of RAM, and asynchronous writes enabled? |
| [15:17:04] | GreyFoxx: | I have 12 sources active in my setup all writing to a single data store, which up until 6 months ago was a single drive |
| [15:17:19] | GreyFoxx: | now it's 12 sources writing to a raid5 of 4 drives |
| [15:17:32] | Davo_Dinkum: | does anyone use a 1920x1200 24" LCD monitor as their mythtv tv? any problems with it? |
| [15:17:43] | GreyFoxx: | and of course those drives are doing playback to a FE at the same time |
| [15:17:55] | iamlindoro__: | What a hilariously specific question |
| [15:17:56] | GreyFoxx: | all of my machines have a gig of ram |
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| [15:18:03] | Davo_Dinkum: | yes it is |
| [15:18:42] | Davo_Dinkum: | im wondering if a pc monitor will be much different from a tv |
| [15:18:47] | wagner_: | what problems would you be expecting with that display? |
| [15:18:48] | iamlindoro__: | Since you chose not to list any of the specifications that would actually turn that into a relevant question, I award you no points |
| [15:19:06] | wagner_: | the only thing i can think of is CPU usage |
| [15:19:30] | Davo_Dinkum: | what specifications should i list? |
| [15:19:39] | wagner_: | as long as you have XV working, it shouldnt be an issue |
| [15:19:45] | Davo_Dinkum: | ok |
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| [15:20:16] | wagner_: | aside from that, its just an issue of hooking it up, and DVI takes care of that |
| [15:20:36] | wagner_: | usually HDTV requires modeline configuration, but again you shouldnt have to do that |
| [15:20:44] | Davo_Dinkum: | cool |
| [15:20:58] | Davo_Dinkum: | also will the nv driver handle this resolution? |
| [15:21:06] | iamlindoro__: | GIVE UP ON THE NV DRIVER |
| [15:21:11] | Davo_Dinkum: | no |
| [15:21:12] | Davo_Dinkum: | never |
| [15:21:14] | GreyFoxx: | wtf are you using the nv driver? |
| [15:21:28] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, and despite being repeatedly told the realities, he won't listen |
| [15:21:40] | Davo_Dinkum: | :D |
| [15:21:49] | wagner_: | it can handle the resolution, it doesnt have a chance to handle video at that resolution |
| [15:21:51] | mkrufky: | nv should only be used to probe that driver XYZ oops'd and it's not nvidia's fault |
| [15:21:57] | mkrufky: | s/probe/prove |
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| [15:22:24] | mkrufky: | ie: video driver XYZ crashed your system while running nvidia, but not while running nv, ok, so its nvidia's fault |
| [15:22:34] | mkrufky: | other than that, there is little practical use for nv |
| [15:22:40] | wagner_: | im still pissed off that nvidia refuses to make freebsd drivers |
| [15:22:53] | mkrufky: | so, buy intel |
| [15:23:00] | mkrufky: | money talks |
| [15:23:30] | directhex: | so do parrots |
| [15:23:33] | directhex: | BWAAAAAK! |
| [15:23:35] | mkrufky: | heh |
| [15:23:44] | mkrufky: | intel's OSS drivers are "less crappy" |
| [15:24:10] | mkrufky: | :-P actually, i hear they're pretty not bad, but i use nvidia in all of my own mythfrontend machines |
| [15:24:24] | directhex: | intel's oss drivers are decent, but the silicon sucks |
| [15:24:33] | wagner_: | intel's drivers may be less crappy, but that doesnt say anything about the chips themselves |
| [15:24:59] | directhex: | almost as if i just said that |
| [15:25:15] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, stop copying him in advance |
| [15:25:19] | wagner_: | yeah well... it showed up about half a second before i hit enter... :P |
| [15:25:20] | mkrufky: | on a windows (yuck) machine with a G31/G33 intel graphics, it handles h264 decoding and playback pretty well |
| [15:25:35] | mkrufky: | (not to mention mpeg2) |
| [15:25:57] | wagner_: | i suppose as long as it has xv support, thats all you really need |
| [15:26:13] | directhex: | wagner_, if you want to decode the video on the cpu, correct |
| [15:26:28] | wagner_: | i dont use xvmc as it is |
| [15:26:39] | directhex: | one issue with intel silicon is it has a specified list of supported modes in the bios |
| [15:26:41] | wagner_: | i should probably look into that |
| [15:26:53] | wagner_: | broadcast ATSC does around 60% on my frontend |
| [15:27:08] | directhex: | there's a new driver yet to be marked as stable which makes the process of overwriting modes in the video bios shadow cache transparent |
| [15:28:00] | directhex: | i.e. ask for 1680x1050, it'll overwrite an in-ram bios mode with 1680x1050 and use it, rather than needing to hack modes manually |
| [15:28:01] | mkrufky: | since we're on this topic, i would like to build a new machine with three displays, each with 3d accel AND decent video playback... (decent == can handle 1080i mpeg2 decoding and deinterlacing) ... does anybody know if any of the graphics drivers support it? |
| [15:28:18] | cesman: | wow! |
| [15:28:25] | cesman: | that would be some machine! |
| [15:28:46] | directhex: | mkrufky, 2 nvidia cards from the same generation, on a mobo with multiple pcie slots |
| [15:29:12] | PatrickDK: | that sounds pretty simple to me |
| [15:29:17] | mkrufky: | damn, every time i ask a question and get answers, somebody calls my name from the other side of the office |
| [15:29:30] | PatrickDK: | it's just making sure you don't flood the bus, but pcie helps with that |
| [15:29:43] | mkrufky: | thank you, directhex ... i have some follow up questions but ill be back in a few |
| [15:29:43] | mkrufky: | brb |
| [15:29:43] | mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-away | |
| [15:29:50] | GreyFoxx: | mkrufky-away: I do that now with my main frontend (1 PC with 2 instances of mythfrontend, 1 using the video card feeding the projector, and the other on the card feeding the flatscreen) but I never have playback on both going at once |
| [15:31:08] | wagner_: | how is video decoding on the matrox drivers? |
| [15:31:15] | directhex: | shite |
| [15:31:21] | wagner_: | they have some 3+ output singular cards |
| [15:31:27] | iamlindoro__: | Good CPU will probably be a requirement, too, to handle 3 x 1080i playback |
| [15:31:28] | directhex: | matrox are dead. treat them as such |
| [15:31:35] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, yeppers |
| [15:31:48] | iamlindoro__: | A nice quad would be a good idea |
| [15:32:01] | wagner_: | high end dual, or a quad |
| [15:32:15] | directhex: | buy matrox. our 2d is crisper than on a riva256! |
| [15:32:18] | PatrickDK: | heh? dual, you really think? |
| [15:32:43] | iamlindoro__: | At least I know mkrufky is smart enough to buy equipment that quits the task, unlike 90% of myth users who will ask if they should adjust PCI latency to get their 486 DX-4 to play 1080p h.264 |
| [15:32:49] | PatrickDK: | I would say a quad might even be just hardly fast enough |
| [15:33:17] | wagner_: | my 2.2 Core2 handles 1080i at ~35% |
| [15:33:21] | wagner_: | but thats on windows |
| [15:33:24] | wagner_: | ive never tried it on linux |
| [15:34:24] | PatrickDK: | wagner, so your almost using a single 2.2ghz cpu for 1080i |
| [15:34:30] | directhex: | PatrickDK, a decent single core cpu is enough for mpeg2. a decent quad core is enough for >1 mpeg2 stream |
| [15:35:45] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, hahah-- I guess the word "yank" was somehow in my clipboard from our discussion yesterday, and I just accidentally pasted the word "yank" about 300 times in an email |
| [15:35:53] | wagner_: | right, im using most of 2.2GHz for one stream, at 2x3GHz, i should be able to handle 3 streams |
| [15:36:08] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, ye silly yank! |
| [15:36:30] | directhex: | wagner_, i would STRONGLY recommend 4 cores to avoid process hopping |
| [15:36:39] | wagner_: | although 4x2.4GHz is probably cheaper |
| [15:37:18] | PatrickDK: | nothing is like killing your cpu cache :) |
| [15:37:42] | directhex: | core2 has lots of cache |
| [15:37:47] | directhex: | and the design doesn't really need it |
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| [15:39:06] | iamlindoro__: | MOAR |
| [15:39:34] | directhex: | less! |
| [15:39:47] | wagner_: | 4x2.4GHz for $250, 2x3GHz for $260 (on newegg) |
| [15:39:49] | GreyFoxx: | man I really gotta pick the new mb, cpu and 2 new video cards. All this talk of new hardware makes me wanna spent a few dollars |
| [15:39:50] | iamlindoro__: | Oh my lord, et tu Brute? |
| [15:39:50] | wagner_: | so yeah, buy the quad |
| [15:39:59] | directhex: | where's my pen gone? i need a new pen |
| [15:40:11] | directhex: | aha, found a biro |
| [15:40:38] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, You're telling me-- got a raise last week and I thought of it in terms of HD-PVRs per biweekly period |
| [15:40:52] | ** directhex is moving house, is poor ** | |
| [15:40:55] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I've been planning on replacing the guts of my main FE for a while now |
| [15:41:01] | wagner_: | speaking of money, leaving for work |
| [15:41:18] | GreyFoxx: | so now I'm hunting for a new mb/proc, and I'll be moving to 2 pcie video cards rather than the agp+pci one it's got now |
| [15:41:18] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, If tax laws are anything like the US, it'll get a lot better in a year-- I bought 12 months ago |
| [15:41:27] | GreyFoxx: | I can just never decide on which to buy :) |
| [15:42:02] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, why not dual output? |
| [15:42:22] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: you mean a single card as 2 seperate outputs ? |
| [15:42:26] | iamlindoro__: | Because Greyfoxx run's four 106 inch projectors onto the side of a house for the maximum myth experience |
| [15:42:29] | iamlindoro__: | er runs |
| [15:42:36] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, yes |
| [15:43:10] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: If you can make X have 2 seperate X sessions, with 2 different resolutions off the single card with two dvi outputs that would be fine |
| [15:43:39] | GreyFoxx: | I want the X instances completely seperate |
| [15:43:53] | GreyFoxx: | if I can do that with 1 of the dual cards out now I'd consider it |
| [15:44:03] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, and that's not trivial? nvidia-settings will do the dirty for you |
| [15:44:45] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: I've never had a card with dual DVI out begore, and previous attempts to have seperate X instances on cards with 1 instance on VGa, and another on DVI have not been successful :) |
| [15:44:58] | GreyFoxx: | I don't want twinview, nor xinerama |
| [15:45:39] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, nvidia-settings has a radiobutton selection. disabled, separate x screen, twinview. |
| [15:46:06] | PatrickDK: | I have been using separate x screen on mine for awhile |
| [15:46:13] | GreyFoxx: | I'll have to experiment with it on my fx5200's that I have now |
| [15:46:32] | directhex: | i have a quad-output box at work with 2 x screens |
| [15:46:52] | GreyFoxx: | if there is absolutely not chance of moving from screen to screen then it should be ok |
| [15:46:58] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, *you* have a rackmount GPU. In fact, you're not allowed to talk about work any more ;) |
| [15:47:57] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, we had our grand launch today. there was cake! |
| [15:48:04] | iamlindoro__: | It's a lie |
| [15:48:36] | iamlindoro__: | This was a triumph. I'm making a note here, huge success. |
| [15:48:52] | directhex: | it's hard to overstate your satisfaction? |
| [15:49:11] | directhex: | i have dibs on GLaDOS as the name of our next supercomputer |
| [15:49:11] | iamlindoro__: | <strike>Aperture</strike> Oxford Science... |
| [15:49:55] | iamlindoro__: | Hey, it's ok, I know you do what you must, because you can |
| [15:50:34] | PatrickDK: | heh, I wish I could borrow my friends company's h264 encoder |
| [15:51:06] | iamlindoro__: | It's easy to be patient on the *encoding*... decoding is more painful to wait for :) |
| [15:51:30] | PatrickDK: | I may habe set too many high quality settings |
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| [15:51:40] | PatrickDK: | it's taking around 30hours to encode a 2hour video |
| [15:51:54] | directhex: | how excessive |
| [15:51:56] | directhex: | that or your pc sucks |
| [15:52:04] | PatrickDK: | 2.8ghz single core |
| [15:52:29] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, I set relatively medium-high processing on my Q6600 and I get about 2x realtime on two passes (roughly realtime per-pass |
| [15:52:30] | iamlindoro__: | ) |
| [15:53:19] | iamlindoro__: | That's w/ threads=4 and the realtime per-pass is best case-- usually 2.5–3x real time for the whole shebang |
| [15:53:30] | directhex: | PatrickDK, single what core? |
| [15:53:54] | directhex: | the wife's pc gets pretty much what iamlindoro__ does, using h264 profile 4.1 |
| [15:54:02] | PatrickDK: | 2.8ghz p4 478pin cpu |
| [15:54:14] | PatrickDK: | 800mhz fsb |
| [15:54:55] | directhex: | so long pipeline, low IPC. no wonder you're concerned about cache |
| [15:55:25] | PatrickDK: | well, got 3 of them for free |
| [15:55:41] | PatrickDK: | so I couldn't beat the price |
| [15:56:33] | iamlindoro__: | Anyone have any anecdotal experience w/ new channels being added and how long it was until they saw them in SchedulesDirect? |
| [15:56:46] | iamlindoro__: | 6 New HD channels today for me :) |
| [15:57:28] | iamlindoro__: | Sci-Fi HD, Food Network HD, Animal Planet HD, The Learning Channel HD, CNN HD, AMC HD :) Not half bad... |
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| [15:59:51] | Anduin: | iamlindoro__: Not long, is how I remember it (some time since my cable lineup changed in a way I cared about) |
| [16:01:00] | iamlindoro__: | Anduin, Thanks. Figured it wouldn't be too long. Hasn't hit Zap2It yet either so it's a fair bet TMS hasn't got the info |
| [16:01:18] | Elwell: | hmm. could always go for combined frontend/backend on a mac mini? |
| [16:01:54] | iamlindoro__: | Elwell, yes, the most recent generation of Mini w/ C2D and intel graphics make great Myth machines |
| [16:02:12] | Elwell: | still dear tho :-( |
| [16:02:22] | iamlindoro__: | ? |
| [16:02:52] | iamlindoro__: | Not sure I follow that sentence |
| [16:03:03] | Anduin: | iamlindoro__: at least some lineups in SF have 736 (SCIFIHD) |
| [16:03:41] | iamlindoro__: | Anduin, Guess it'll cascade down in short order, then-- I'm 95136 and it doesn't appear to have hit yet (although I'd be amused to find it had in the last few minutes ) :) |
| [16:03:56] | Elwell: | iamlindoro__: mac mini is probably out of my (limited) budget as I was hoping to sell tivo and replace with mythbox. Sadly I don't think I'll get ~400GBP for it :-) |
| [16:04:54] | iamlindoro__: | Elwell, Yeah, not the cheapest thing in the world, but it's pretty comparable to buying the same things oneself and assembling them, especially given the form factor and silence... Anyway, I had a good experience with it, just FYI. Very slick machine. |
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| [16:15:53] | ajh: | so the last problem seems to be myth frontend locking up with the NVP prebuffer timed out over and over, no way to get out of it without killing it |
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| [16:45:09] | Pasteurized: | hi all |
| [16:46:10] | Pasteurized: | where can I find info about database set-up ? |
| [16:46:18] | Pasteurized: | myth cant connect to mine |
| [16:46:59] | directhex: | look at /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [16:47:17] | directhex: | what does "mythtv -umythtv -p mythconverg" say, if you use the password fro that file? |
| [16:47:39] | Anduin: | mysql even |
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| [16:49:10] | Pasteurized: | it send me ton mythtv setup, where i enter the same as in mysql.txt |
| [16:49:16] | Pasteurized: | but i cant still connect |
| [16:49:42] | directhex: | gah |
| [16:49:47] | directhex: | like Anduin said |
| [16:49:56] | directhex: | "mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg" |
| [16:50:27] | ajh: | ok, I have a recording that causes the prebuffer wait timed out error, so how do I delete it? |
| [16:50:31] | Pasteurized: | i tried this command line : it launch the setup |
| [16:50:39] | directhex: | what setup? |
| [16:50:43] | ajh: | every delete screen tries to play a preview which causes the frontend to freeze |
| [16:51:02] | Pasteurized: | backend config |
| [16:51:18] | directhex: | Pasteurized, how on earth is the "mysql" command launching backend config? |
| [16:52:15] | Pasteurized: | ah ! sorry ! i didnt that i should enter mysql, and not mythtv :/ |
| [16:52:18] | Pasteurized: | i retry |
| [16:52:38] | Pasteurized: | (sorry for my english too :p) |
| [16:52:42] | pietje_phuck: | Of topic question, is there any we to decrypt qam signals in linux? |
| [16:52:58] | iamlindoro__: | No, nor is there in any other OS |
| [16:53:36] | iamlindoro__: | well, not outside of having a Cablecard tuner in windows, of course |
| [16:53:53] | Pasteurized: | directhex: access denied |
| [16:54:50] | directhex: | Pasteurized, okay, your mysql.txt is wrong then. you must have changed the file, or the db, without telling apt |
| [16:54:53] | pietje_phuck: | iamlindoro__: was that for me? |
| [16:55:00] | iamlindoro__: | yup |
| [16:55:07] | pietje_phuck: | iamlindoro__: thanx |
| [16:55:11] | iamlindoro__: | no problem |
| [16:56:19] | directhex: | Pasteurized, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow mythtv-common" |
| [16:56:34] | pietje_phuck: | Satellite is becoming more attractive........... |
| [16:56:53] | directhex: | how would sat help? |
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| [16:58:25] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Wayyyyy easier to YARRRRRRRRRR ;) |
| [16:58:48] | directhex: | arrrrrrrgh! |
| [16:59:13] | Pasteurized: | done ! |
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| [17:00:13] | directhex: | Pasteurized, any change to mysql.txt? |
| [17:00:24] | directhex: | Pasteurized, can you get into mysql now? |
| [17:00:54] | Pasteurized: | no :( |
| [17:01:31] | directhex: | obey the final bullet point of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . a68b6a8b4162 – then re-do the dpkg-reconfigure, and give it the password you set when following the instructions above |
| [17:01:40] | iamlindoro__: | OBEY |
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| [17:02:45] | Pasteurized: | i reconfigure mythtv-common ? |
| [17:03:01] | directhex: | Pasteurized, after you reset the password using the mysql client, yes |
| [17:03:24] | Pasteurized: | ta! |
| [17:04:07] | directhex: | or, possibly easier, just reset the password to the value in mysql.txt – that way you can skip the reconfigure |
| [17:04:47] | Pasteurized: | already done, anyway :) |
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| [17:05:44] | directhex: | and NOW you can log into mysql using the user/pass from mysql.txt? |
| [17:11:56] | Pasteurized: | there's no password in my mysql.txt |
| [17:12:53] | Pasteurized: | sorry |
| [17:13:04] | Pasteurized: | it is a the end of the file ... |
| [17:14:42] | Pasteurized: | directhex: i cant still connect ... |
| [17:14:54] | directhex: | fucking fuck |
| [17:15:19] | Pasteurized: | I think it, you said it ! |
| [17:15:34] | directhex: | your mysql.txt reflects the password you 1) reset when using mysql as root, and 2) the password you set with dpkg-reconfigure (which is the SAME password)? |
| [17:15:38] | ** iamlindoro__ throws MySQL on top of lirc and TV-out in the "cart of things he refuses to waste time fixing for people." ** | |
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| [17:16:06] | Pasteurized: | yes, that the same |
| [17:16:44] | Pasteurized: | when i change pass in mysql |
| [17:16:54] | Pasteurized: | it says : 0 row affected |
| [17:16:58] | Pasteurized: | is it normal ? |
| [17:17:38] | directhex: | no. sigh. what EXACTLY did you type into the mysql client? |
| [17:18:34] | Pasteurized: | UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE user='mythtv'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| [17:18:49] | _sajko: | Is there anyway to get livetv to record the playback directly to a proper .mpg container instead of a .nuv one? |
| [17:19:06] | directhex: | and you can't get into mysql with "mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg" with the password "mythtv"? |
| [17:19:16] | iamlindoro__: | _sajko, Sure, use a non-framegrabber card |
| [17:19:30] | _sajko: | iamlindoro__: *sigh* :P |
| [17:19:42] | iamlindoro__: | framegrabber recordings will always be .nuvs, proper hardware encoders and digital hunders will be mpgs |
| [17:19:49] | iamlindoro__: | er digital tuners |
| [17:19:55] | _sajko: | kk |
| [17:19:59] | olds: | my dvb card spits out mpg |
| [17:20:09] | PatrickDK: | dvb=digital |
| [17:20:18] | olds: | yup |
| [17:20:22] | olds: | it's the first letter! |
| [17:20:43] | Pasteurized: | directhex: no |
| [17:21:15] | directhex: | Pasteurized, what does "dpkg -l mythtv-database | grep ^ii" return? |
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| [17:23:20] | Pasteurized: | with sudo, you mean |
| [17:23:27] | directhex: | did i mention sudo? |
| [17:23:37] | Pasteurized: | nope ;-) |
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| [17:25:22] | Pasteurized: | it returns : "ii mythtv-database 0.21.0+fixes16838–0ubuntu1" |
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| [17:25:51] | Pasteurized: | "A personal video recorder application (database)" |
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| [17:26:17] | directhex: | run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow mythtv-database" |
| [17:28:04] | Pasteurized: | done |
| [17:29:09] | gbee: | OT but any compelling reason I should avoid buying a NETGEAR RP614? (I'm hovering over the 'buy' link as my old router has packed up and I need a fast replacement) |
| [17:29:15] | directhex: | run "mysql -uroot" |
| [17:29:20] | directhex: | then "select * from mysql.user where user="mythtv";" |
| [17:29:51] | directhex: | gbee, i'm no expert on cable |
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| [17:31:09] | gbee: | it's cheap enough that I can get something better if I'm not happy, so I'll just order it |
| [17:31:30] | gbee: | reviews and spec seem good |
| [17:32:19] | gbee: | linux based too, which isn't really a requirement but doesn't hurt |
| [17:33:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: I personally ditched my Netgear and d-link routers for Trendnet... |
| [17:34:18] | gbee: | hmm, can't say I've heard of Trendnet (Trend yes, but not trendnet) |
| [17:34:46] | directhex: | draytek make the most fully-featured sub-pro routers |
| [17:35:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: They're a newcomer – I first saw them at "Micro Center", then "Comp USA"... I have had one for nearly 2 years now, not bad at all... |
| [17:35:25] | Pasteurized: | ok, because reconfigure database returned me a login error |
| [17:35:55] | gbee: | I'm happy enough with the other netgear gear I have and not bothered by tiny performance differences, but as I said above, if I'm not satisfied I'll get something else in a month, right now I need a quick replacement |
| [17:36:16] | directhex: | Pasteurized, we're beginning to find the root of the problem. you've altered your mysql root password at some point in the past. the ubuntu default is not to have a password for the root account. |
| [17:37:14] | Pasteurized: | ok :) |
| [17:37:32] | directhex: | some kind of confirmation or denial of the hypothesis would be nice |
| [17:37:55] | Pasteurized: | mysql seams to ask me something to your line |
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| [17:38:10] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, wouldn't want to make it too easy for you |
| [17:38:32] | Pasteurized: | it is "mythtv" or 'mythtv' ? |
| [17:38:34] | directhex: | Pasteurized, it asks you something when you enter what line? i typed two. |
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| [17:39:10] | Pasteurized: | I have a "->" at the begining of the line |
| [17:39:17] | gbee: | bought the Netgear, just missed the order deadline though so I'm stuff until Thursday |
| [17:39:23] | gbee: | s/stuff/stuffed/ |
| [17:39:25] | Pasteurized: | instead of "mysql>" |
| [17:39:26] | directhex: | Pasteurized, you missed a semicolon. |
| [17:39:34] | directhex: | wait... what? |
| [17:39:39] | Pasteurized: | ok ... |
| [17:39:54] | directhex: | you get -> from "mysql -uroot"? |
| [17:40:21] | Pasteurized: | returns now : "Empty set (0.00 sec)" |
| [17:40:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Where abouts are you? |
| [17:40:49] | Pasteurized: | yes, "mysql -uroot" |
| [17:41:07] | directhex: | Pasteurized, you get an empty set from "select * from mysql.user where user="mythtv";"? |
| [17:41:13] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A|work: England (Derbyshire) |
| [17:41:30] | directhex: | Pasteurized, you cannot get "->" from "mysql -uroot" unless you're typing into something syupid |
| [17:41:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: hehe... I guess it wouldn't do you any good to send you one of my old routers then, now would it? ;-) (Boston, MA area) |
| [17:41:47] | directhex: | say, for example, you're ALREADY in mysql using some unknown user |
| [17:41:57] | directhex: | at which point i quit, the language barrier is giving me a headache |
| [17:42:27] | Pasteurized: | i've get "->" cause i forgot ";" at the end of the line ... (yes, you may hit me) |
| [17:42:32] | keith4: | J-e-f-f-A|work: where in MA? |
| [17:42:37] | keith4: | ooh, fios |
| [17:42:40] | ** keith4 is jealous ** | |
| [17:43:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: Marlborough, MA ;-) FiOS is awesome... ;-) it just went up to $49.95/month though... 15Mbps down/ 2Mbps up... |
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| [17:44:06] | directhex: | at the end of WHAT line? i've been doing this shit for an HOUR. you can do a fresh install and have it WORKING in that time |
| [17:44:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: I received an offer to upgrade to 15/15 for $20/month more... But I don't need the extra 13Mbps now... ;-) |
| [17:44:38] | keith4: | J-e-f-f-A|work: isn't that closer to worcester than boston? |
| [17:44:51] | keith4: | and that seems slow, for fios. i have 20/2 mb cable |
| [17:44:52] | directhex: | you give vague half-answers, missing answers, type into the wrong window, and leave agonising gaps between question and answer |
| [17:44:58] | directhex: | i have too much on to waste more time |
| [17:45:01] | directhex: | i *quit* |
| [17:45:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: Yeah, slightly... about 26 to Boston, 22 or so to Worcester... |
| [17:45:23] | Pasteurized: | t the end of this : select * from mysql.user where user="mythtv"; |
| [17:46:04] | keith4: | directhex: it sounds like he was missing the ;, so the query never ran, and it was waiting for more input |
| [17:46:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: But I said Boston, as gbee isn't likely to know about Worcester, MA, USA... ;-) |
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| [17:46:52] | directhex: | keith, i don't care. a fucking HOUR! |
| [17:46:55] | Pasteurized: | sorry for all, I have a dinner for my family to set up, too |
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| [17:47:40] | keith4: | directhex: so who's the real fool then? ;-) |
| [17:47:52] | directhex: | keith4, me, for not heeding iamlindoro__ |
| [17:47:57] | keith4: | correct |
| [17:48:17] | directhex: | [18:15] * iamlindoro__ throws MySQL on top of lirc and TV-out in the "cart of things he refuses to waste time fixing for people." |
| [17:48:31] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
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| [17:49:09] | Pasteurized: | anyway, i'm gonna find my ISO CD |
| [17:49:20] | Pasteurized: | thanks for all anyway |
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| [17:49:36] | Pasteurized: | go to dinner, bye |
| [17:49:49] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work wonders what an "ISO CD" is... ;-) ** | |
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| [17:50:17] | keith4: | directhex: maybe just punt them to #mysql |
| [17:50:26] | keith4: | or #your-distro |
| [17:50:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: or "google is your friend" |
| [17:50:46] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A|work: just Boston, Lincolnshire or Worcester, Worcestershire |
| [17:51:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: So you know about Worcester, Massachusetts, USA? Cool... |
| [17:52:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Pronounced "woo-ster" out here... ;-) |
| [17:53:42] | gbee: | just need to work out how I'm going to access my email for two days now that my IMAP server has lost connectivity |
| [17:53:51] | directhex: | J-e-f-f-A|work, distro install media |
| [17:54:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: That reminds me... When my family moved from Connecticut to California in 1982, I had kids in school ask me where I was from. When I said "Connecticut", they said "What state is that in?" --- wow... |
| [17:54:18] | gbee: | heh |
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| [17:54:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | directhex: I know... I was being sarcastic... ;-) You know, because an ISO is an Image of a CD... ;-) |
| [17:55:02] | gbee: | could be an image of a DVD :p |
| [17:55:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: yeah, that too. ;-) |
| [17:55:57] | directhex: | ISO is an image of a filesystem. the media it's on isn't here nor ther |
| [17:55:58] | directhex: | e |
| [17:56:01] | keith4: | J-e-f-f-A|work: well, connecticutt is easy to miss on a map |
| [17:56:12] | keith4: | and personally, I could do without the entire state |
| [17:56:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: not as easy as Rhode Island! ;-) |
| [17:56:20] | directhex: | keith4, yankland is large and confusing |
| [17:56:25] | keith4: | especially the people who drive on 84 |
| [17:56:53] | keith4: | directhex: i was over in the UK last summer. don't tell me the US is confusing |
| [17:57:36] | directhex: | keith4, the uk is easy! the car park is called "m25", and if you want food, ask for "tikka masala" |
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| [17:58:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: It's even worse in the Boston area... Rt128 / I495 / I93... And we have "Rotaries" here in MA, like on the other side of the Pond — they confuse most people for some reason, even though they're the simplest thing in the world in my mind.. |
| [17:58:40] | keith4: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I knoew, I grew up on the north shore |
| [17:58:49] | keith4: | thus, my disdain for CT |
| [17:58:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | hehe |
| [17:58:55] | keith4: | ...and PA, for that matter |
| [17:58:56] | directhex: | J-e-f-f-A|work, roundabouts are easy |
| [17:59:03] | directhex: | J-e-f-f-A|work, try a MAGIC roundabout. those are complex |
| [17:59:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | directhex: I think so too — and much more 'efficient' than a traffic signal... |
| [17:59:26] | directhex: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon) |
| [17:59:36] | keith4: | driving around ireland was the most fun I've had in a long time. driving on the left, sitting on the right... and rotaries in the middle of 70mph highways |
| [18:00:16] | gbee: | always makes me laugh the difference in the perception of distances and long distance travel – over here we'd consider 200 miles a long drive but it seems over there that's considered local :) |
| [18:00:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: yep! ;-) |
| [18:00:44] | keith4: | and in the midwest, a 6 hour drive is considered a day trip |
| [18:01:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Next weekend I'll be driving to NJ for the "Trenton Computer Festival" — it's about 5 or 6 hours from my house... ;-) |
| [18:01:45] | gbee: | heh |
| [18:02:06] | keith4: | is that next weekend? |
| [18:02:13] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: It's 120 miles to the Massachusetts/New York line from my house... ;-) |
| [18:02:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: Yes... 26&27 |
| [18:02:36] | keith4: | i have to go to NJ on saturday... maybe I can convince the GF that we should stop |
| [18:03:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: yeah, not this weekend (the 19th/20th) – next weekend (26th&27th) |
| [18:04:18] | keith4: | ah, shit |
| [18:04:23] | keith4: | i'm not going to NJ two weekends in a row |
| [18:04:29] | keith4: | one is bad enough |
| [18:04:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: I've gone for the last 5 years or so – I had always heard about it, but never gone until then. The flea-market part is usually pretty decent, and the talks are pretty good. There are usually some decent deals to be found in the 'computer show' area too – that's where I got my Asus Pundit P2 for like $220 last year... |
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| [18:05:35] | keith4: | the girlfriend would kill me if I come home with any more hardware |
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| [18:06:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I've got about 20 Cisco 25xx series routers, a couple of 7500's (big monsters), and some other stuff that I may take out and sell in the 'flea market' area... Just haven't decided if I want to hang around outside all day Saturday and Sunday to do it... |
| [18:06:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | keith4: just "break" your current machine, and tell her you have to go in order to fix your computer... ;-) |
| [18:07:18] | keith4: | yah... she's not that dumb, unfortunately |
| [18:07:41] | keith4: | that's what I get for dating someone with as many degrees as I have |
| [18:07:57] | keith4: | and she's considering another |
| [18:08:00] | ** keith4 shakes his head ** | |
| [18:08:07] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work 's MS desktop is getting old... it's a Athon XP 2500+ w/1GB DDR 400 ram.. My Myth server is only 1 yr old – Atholn 64 X2 4600+ w/2GB ram... ;-) Power where it's needed!!! ** | |
| [18:09:11] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | It's funny — perhaps you guys are like me — I don't look to upgrade my MS machine anymore, just to get the latest & greatest, baddest box I can for my Myth Backend... ;-) |
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| [18:09:39] | Huijari: | i don't even have an MS machine :P |
| [18:10:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Huijari: Yeah, I still need one for remote access to work... :-( But otherwise, the only machine with MS on it in my house is my son's computer. (Actually, i have my laptop setup to dual-boot MS too, but have been using Linux more lately... ;-) ) |
| [18:11:50] | Huijari: | my backend machine is pretty much like your MS desktop |
| [18:12:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I used to upgrade my own PC, then give my son my old one. But since i started spending money on my MythTV systems, I haven't upgraded my machine for about 3yrs now... ;-) |
| [18:12:14] | fn1: | anyone know the program that does the nice charts, for bootup and benchmarks speed? |
| [18:12:51] | ajh: | gnuplot |
| [18:13:44] | directhex: | bootvis |
| [18:14:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Huijari: My son's pc is still only an Athon XP 1700... with 512MB ram... Running (gasp!) XP Home... |
| [18:14:54] | fn1: | bootvis looks cool.. but was lookin for the app like that for linux |
| [18:15:23] | ajh: | does openoffice have plotting? |
| [18:15:35] | Huijari: | J-e-f-f-A|work: the only reasons i'd need a new computer for are HD playback from bluray and gaming |
| [18:15:57] | ajh: | then why not buy a PS3? |
| [18:16:01] | Huijari: | J-e-f-f-A|work: but i've decided to stick with dvd:s and games for linux for a while :P |
| [18:16:11] | directhex: | bootchart, then |
| [18:16:20] | Huijari: | ajh: because i'm more into pc than console games |
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| [18:17:02] | fn1: | http://www.bootchart.org/ |
| [18:17:10] | fn1: | thats it.. just found it.. thanx |
| [18:17:58] | SlicerDicer: | ugg |
| [18:18:06] | SlicerDicer: | anybody know why firewire would terminate recordings part way through? |
| [18:18:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Huijari: Yeah, I'm building some new frontends to handle HD more reliably... I had a PIII 1GHz working with 720p last-year with US ATSC 720p (mpeg2) with nvidia XvMC, but I can't seem to get it to work without issues on a P4 1.7 w/XvMC... Building an Asus Pundit (Semperon 3000) and another system based on an Athon 64 2800+ to be HD frontends... |
| [18:18:18] | SlicerDicer: | I tried to record a 2.2hour HD recording and it terminated at 526mb |
| [18:18:25] | SlicerDicer: | no way thats right at all :/ |
| [18:18:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | SlicerDicer: Sorry, not me.... haven't been down that firewire road (yet?)... |
| [18:19:02] | SlicerDicer: | heh |
| [18:19:48] | fn1: | what makes you think it was firewire? |
| [18:19:50] | fn1: | anything in the logs? |
| [18:21:03] | ajh: | wow, mythfilldatabase demands a lot of cpu |
| [18:21:10] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work has heard that Comcast encrypts the firewire output in my area, rendering it useless for myth... :-( ** | |
| [18:21:12] | ajh: | load went from .2 to 3.8 |
| [18:22:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ajh: Well, it's loading alot of data ... (especially the first run!) My DB is 308MB... ;-) |
| [18:22:48] | ajh: | working more an more in front of the tv I've also noticed how much sound a big panel reflects, it's impossible to tell where something's coming from it always sounds like it's coming from the tv. |
| [18:23:16] | ajh: | yeah, but that's at least 4 processes, each asking for 80–100% of the cpu at once. |
| [18:23:58] | ajh: | I didn't look, but is it nice'ed by default? wouldn't want an auto-run interfering with something else. |
| [18:24:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ajh: I dunno — I have mine run at like 2am or so... |
| [18:24:56] | ajh: | yeah, but with flexible scheduling, having it find a time nothing will record for awhile or running with +10 NI would be good. |
| [18:25:01] | GreyFoxx: | I don't believe it's niced unless you are running it manually. these days most let mythbackend run it on it's own |
| [18:25:04] | ajh: | which it may already do. |
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| [18:26:55] | ajh: | it was preventing the frontend from connecting properly while running |
| [18:27:47] | GreyFoxx: | Sounds odd/doubtful |
| [18:27:47] | ajh: | nice, backend load at 0.02 watching SD. |
| [18:28:01] | ajh: | it hit 4 after enabling autorun |
| [18:28:02] | GreyFoxx: | since mfdb doesn't even talk to the backend process until it's done |
| [18:28:26] | ajh: | but the system load of 4 affects other processes if it's not niced. |
| [18:28:49] | GreyFoxx: | 4 is not that high, and even still a busy process will not prevent the backend from being able to open a simple socket |
| [18:28:56] | ajh: | since it's not time-sensitive it should be, or give mythbackend a -1 |
| [18:29:10] | ajh: | I would have thought that, but this was observed. |
| [18:29:25] | GreyFoxx: | the child inherits the parents permissions, so mythfilldb would be -1 when spawned by mythbackend unless you start it in acron |
| [18:29:56] | ajh: | hrm, so a setting for child processes would make sense. |
| [18:29:58] | GreyFoxx: | You could however make it nice it when it starts |
| [18:30:08] | GreyFoxx: | the commandline to call mythfilldatabase is editable |
| [18:30:18] | ajh: | any child process should be more niced than the tuner |
| [18:30:21] | GreyFoxx: | just add nice -n X to the front of it if you are worried |
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| [18:30:54] | ajh: | yes, I'll do that but in the future it may make sense to ensure that all the spawned processes are lower priority than the backend |
| [18:31:10] | ajh: | just as a default it's likely to prevent problems. |
| [18:31:49] | GreyFoxx: | I've been running myth for 5 years , on 30 seperate installs (including my own of course) and not once encountered the problem you just described :) I don't think it's a big worry :) |
| [18:31:58] | GreyFoxx: | especially since the user can edit the command :) |
| [18:32:54] | GreyFoxx: | Hauppage should give me a free hdpvr for the number of people I've gotten to buy their pvr cards over the years :) |
| [18:33:05] | ajh: | still, from a good programming point of view you want your realtime processes to be higher priority. |
| [18:34:06] | ajh: | Oh, do you know if the crop filter takes much cpu to run? A whole lot of channels have noise on the edge of the dvb stream and just globally setting a crop would be nice, can that be done or do I need to enter it on 800 channels one by one? :) |
| [18:34:11] | GreyFoxx: | nothing about the backend is really "realtime" unless you are software encoding a framegrabber |
| [18:34:20] | GreyFoxx: | can't say I've ever really used the crop filtyer |
| [18:34:33] | GreyFoxx: | ajh: the noice is the vbi /cc data |
| [18:34:35] | ajh: | I see some noise, but more often the cc data |
| [18:34:39] | GreyFoxx: | shows up in the top line and such |
| [18:34:45] | ajh: | Yes. |
| [18:34:58] | ajh: | Sometimes a green line on the left side of the letterboxing. |
| [18:35:12] | GreyFoxx: | I just used overscan to move it past the end of the screen line a normal TV does |
| [18:35:27] | GreyFoxx: | but on my current stuff with no overscan I just ignore it honestly |
| [18:35:31] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ajh: I use 2% crop both ways — the 'noise' is the close-captioning text. |
| [18:35:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ajh: er --- yeah, rather the 'overscan' that GreyFoxx mentions.. (oops0 |
| [18:36:06] | ajh: | is that applicable for dvb? |
| [18:36:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ajh: In 0.21 it's called "Horizontal Scaling" and "Vertical Scaling" |
| [18:36:20] | ajh: | Ah, ok thanks. |
| [18:36:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ajh: yeah, because the dvb stream is dumped to disk exactly like it's received — the close captioning is expected to be in the overscan area. |
| [18:37:40] | GreyFoxx: | Tv's are expected to have an overscan areaand that some of the image is past it |
| [18:38:07] | GreyFoxx: | but most TV's out video cards don't use any |
| [18:38:13] | ajh: | 2008-04–15 14:37:33.867 [mpeg2video @ 0x2ac182a13590]ac-tex damaged at 10 26 |
| [18:38:13] | ajh: | 2008-04–15 14:37:33.867 [mpeg2video @ 0x2ac182a13590]invalid cbp at 9 0 |
| [18:38:22] | ajh: | That's the other wierdness I'm getting from time to time. |
| [18:38:30] | GreyFoxx: | ignore it |
| [18:38:35] | GreyFoxx: | just informational unless you get thousands of them |
| [18:38:41] | ajh: | Followed by the NVP problem and no video or smeared video |
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| [18:39:15] | GreyFoxx: | can be slightly corrupt packets in transmission, original encoding. As well sometimes it's just ffmpeg libraries saying they see something they think is wrong |
| [18:39:23] | ajh: | Restarting the frontend fixes it. |
| [18:39:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ajh: iirc, the TS format has some 'redundancy' to get around occasional data errors like this... ^^^ But that sounds like too big of a drop if you're getting garbled video... |
| [18:39:39] | ajh: | changing channels doesn't, something's left in a bad state. |
| [18:39:53] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, I don't like libavcodec handles FEC very well |
| [18:39:56] | iamlindoro__: | er don't think |
| [18:40:03] | ajh: | ok, gotta run the puppy to the vet now but I'd like to discuss this one a bit more since it does look like a pretty bad bug. |
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| [18:40:20] | ajh: | I've found channels that'll do it every time. |
| [18:40:45] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, It's another reason I'm excited to get the HD-PVR as the box handles FEC really well and dumps a nice, clean picture out the component |
| [18:41:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: Is it available for pre-order yet? ;-) |
| [18:41:27] | fn1: | was last week |
| [18:41:33] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, yep, has been for about ten days |
| [18:41:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ooh... Did they advertise a first-ship date yet? (looking myself too... ;-) ) |
| [18:42:07] | GreyFoxx: | May 1st I think |
| [18:42:08] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work, they're saying May 1 |
| [18:42:18] | GreyFoxx: | dunno about the linux drivers though |
| [18:42:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Wow... just a couple weeks away... |
| [18:42:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | GreyFoxx: ^^^ Good point... |
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| [18:53:47] | justinh: | is it just me or should EIT still honour the useonairguide column in the channel table? |
| [18:54:23] | justinh: | backend crashed half an hour ago – last thing in the log was an error about being unable to update the program table: http://pastebin.ca/986328 |
| [18:55:26] | justinh: | thing is, chanid 1081 is BBC parliament & that isn't even set to use EIT data – nor is it using xmltv |
| [18:58:40] | justinh: | a closer look at the table seems to suggest there's at least one channel there that shouldn't be |
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| [19:12:59] | dustybin: | justinh: mythfixdatabase |
| [19:13:24] | dustybin: | justinh: then, mythmakemeacupoftea |
| [19:13:45] | justinh: | mythsorteditoutmyselfasfuckingusual |
| [19:14:56] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
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| [19:16:36] | dustybin: | so far, fingers crossed, kernel 2.6.24 + USB autosuspend disabled + EIT turned off = a very stable backend / Nova-T 500 |
| [19:16:51] | dustybin: | no problems yet |
| [19:17:02] | dustybin: | 20:16:55 up 3 days, 3:16, 3 users, load average: 0.03, 0.09, 0.08 |
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| [19:17:33] | justinh: | roll on radiotimes.com carrying radio listings |
| [19:29:26] | SlicerDicer: | anybody here use firewire? |
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| [19:47:45] | vavincavent: | hi all |
| [19:48:15] | vavincavent: | i've installed mythbuntu |
| [19:48:33] | ** iamlindoro__ readies a gibe about #ubuntu-mythtv ** | |
| [19:49:01] | vavincavent: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [19:49:16] | iamlindoro__: | vavincavent, Start there, and if no response we'll see if we can help you |
| [19:49:26] | vavincavent: | ok thanks |
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| [19:52:39] | i3ooi3oo: | firewire is kewl |
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| [21:04:01] | ajh: | When changing channels is it normal for the old info osd to show some stuff under the new one? |
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| [21:10:59] | ajh: | Any ideas on "audio stream changed" on livetv playback? |
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| [21:18:22] | ajh: | Well, if I set audio output to Alsa: Analog it goes away. |
| [21:18:30] | ajh: | Of course, so does the sound. |
| [21:21:44] | ajh: | Hrm, with mixed analog no audio and no video, Error: Creating osdcache file failed... that's an odd interaction. |
| [21:25:51] | EvilGuru: | Hmm, mythfrontend is eating up 25% CPU time just in the main menu (OpenGL painter) |
| [21:27:36] | directhex: | change theme |
| [21:27:48] | directhex: | i.e. not G.A.N.T |
| [21:29:03] | ajh: | What did I do to cause every channel change to put a recording into All Programs? |
| [21:29:25] | directhex: | nothing |
| [21:29:29] | ajh: | That seems related to why when I re-tune a show that crashed out, it cannot get that channel anymore. |
| [21:29:31] | directhex: | ignore them, they expire in 24 hours |
| [21:29:43] | directhex: | or hide the display of livetv recordings |
| [21:30:40] | ajh: | the problem is those that don't work, stick around then the preview window tries to play them, locking things up. |
| [21:31:55] | ajh: | hrm, channel came back when I disabled showing them... odd |
| [21:32:12] | ajh: | of course on HD channels I'm still getting audio stream changed constantly |
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| [21:34:08] | ajh: | hrm, Alsa: analog now kills the backend from the frontend. |
| [21:35:21] | ajh: | hrm, /dev/dsp directly works, but sadly still spammed by the audio stream changed error, wonder what I've done wrong. |
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| [21:37:41] | ajh: | well, enabling ac3 passthrough the errors go away.. but the sound isn't there either... just noise. |
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| [21:38:22] | ajh: | sigh, no idea what I could have misconfigured if I'm sending to /dev/dsp with no internal mixer |
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| [22:04:55] | justinh: | oh what a dick. buyer on ebay wanted something shipped to his new address which wasn't on his paypal profile. haha too late |
| [22:06:51] | squidly: | lol |
| [22:06:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: what was that, your pvr-150? |
| [22:06:53] | squidly: | sucks for him |
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| [22:09:57] | Saviq: | suckage |
| [22:15:34] | justinh: | nah was only a hard ipoo case |
| [22:15:45] | justinh: | anyway I'm not a frickin mind reader |
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| [22:39:43] | rogue780: | Does anyone here have a unichrome pro II card? |
| [22:43:52] | justinh: | card? thought they only made useless motherboards |
| [22:48:56] | directhex: | justinh, there are chrome-based cards – but unichrome means integrated |
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| [22:49:54] | iamlindoro: | as in "A unified place for your system to suck from." |
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| [22:53:31] | ** mkrufky yawns loudly ** | |
| [22:56:12] | directhex: | bedtime. |
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| [23:38:11] | Huijari: | "Please ensure that recording profiles for the transcoder are set |
| [23:38:13] | Huijari: | " |
| [23:38:36] | Huijari: | i'm getting that from mythtranscode, but i don't know how to set the recording profiles <_< |
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| [23:38:44] | Huijari: | can anyone help? |
| [23:39:13] | clever: | mythfrontend settings |
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| [23:42:57] | Huijari: | thanks, now i got some progress |
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| [23:51:40] | Huijari: | but now it's trying to use autodetect and fails even if i set the default transcoder to something else than autodetect |
| [23:51:52] | Huijari: | argh |
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