| Friday, April 11th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:18] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-a: You may be SoL. |
| [00:00:24] | Dagmar: | I've never even heard of one. |
| [00:00:48] | SlicerDicer: | J-e-f-f-A you dont have pci slots? |
| [00:00:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Looks like Aopen has an ATSC one... |
| [00:01:25] | Dagmar: | good luck finding drivers for it |
| [00:01:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: Not on this microscopic Asus Pundit system I bought for a frontend... I was thinking of 'upgrading' it to a combined fe/be for my wife... |
| [00:02:05] | Dagmar: | Meh. You'd probably be better served by sticking a 802.11g card in it |
| [00:02:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Well, it's PCI, but in a so-dimm type format, so I might get lucky... |
| [00:02:25] | Dagmar: | I'm quite familiar with mini-PCI actually. |
| [00:02:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Sorry, didn't mean to imply you weren't... ;-) |
| [00:02:46] | SlicerDicer: | why would you want such a small system for fe/be? |
| [00:02:51] | mkrufky: | aopen's one is not supported |
| [00:02:55] | Dagmar: | They're pretty common in laptops now, and I'm still trying to find a decent board with mini-PCI so I can cannibalize the card from my Linksys WRT54g |
| [00:03:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | mkrufky: ... Thanks. ;-) |
| [00:03:08] | mkrufky: | but i dont understand why |
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| [00:03:13] | mkrufky: | last i remember.... it could be |
| [00:03:16] | mkrufky: | dont easily |
| [00:03:22] | mkrufky: | but, i dont recall what the components are |
| [00:03:25] | mkrufky: | and dont have one to play with |
| [00:03:26] | Dagmar: | The mainboard on it blew out, but the little card itself works fine in my laptop |
| [00:03:28] | mkrufky: | :-( |
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| [00:03:48] | mkrufky: | ok,. this krufky needs to leave the office |
| [00:03:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: For my wife, for a nice, tiny system in the living room... |
| [00:03:53] | mkrufky: | i'll talk to you guys later |
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| [00:04:46] | SlicerDicer: | no main backend? |
| [00:05:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: And I've already got the Asus Pundit that I bought... I might as well use it... ;-) I had a bugger of a time trying to get it to play HD, so I figured I'd just set it up as a standalone fe/be for my wife... |
| [00:05:31] | SlicerDicer: | ahh ok |
| [00:05:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: I've got a main backend, but my wife doesn't want to use it for some reason... It's an |
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| [00:07:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: ...oops ... an Athlon 64 X2 4600 – 2GB ram – 1.5TB disk, 3 SD tuners fed from Dish Network Top 250 STB's, and two ATSC tuners for Boston OTA HD... ;-) |
| [00:07:27] | SlicerDicer: | bout as overkill as what I do :) |
| [00:07:36] | SlicerDicer: | except the OTA tuners |
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| [00:08:53] | SlicerDicer: | well time to go tear my living room apart while I put my fixed backend in place haha |
| [00:09:23] | SlicerDicer: | J-e-f-f-A been without myth for almost 6 months :/ |
| [00:10:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: I must have done an 'rm -R ' in the wrong directory a week ago though, all but 4 of my 'videos' on my video disk got deleted... Oh well... there was like 120 of them, but all were recorded off the sat, so it's not the end of the world... |
| [00:10:18] | SlicerDicer: | ouch |
| [00:10:23] | SlicerDicer: | thats cruel to the old db |
| [00:10:30] | neztiti: | mkrufky: where to do the command??? |
| [00:10:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: Well, it was ok, it was only the videos, not the "recordings'... |
| [00:10:47] | SlicerDicer: | ahh |
| [00:11:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: It was movies I moved off of 'recordings' to 'videos', which is on a different disk. |
| [00:11:30] | SlicerDicer: | hmm |
| [00:11:37] | SlicerDicer: | I run differnet setup I guess :) |
| [00:11:46] | SlicerDicer: | raid 1 for the / |
| [00:11:53] | SlicerDicer: | raid 5 for /myth |
| [00:12:22] | SlicerDicer: | and /myth is videos, recordings all that stuff |
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| [00:13:19] | SlicerDicer: | well anyway time to tear the room apart haha |
| [00:13:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: Yeah, I've got raid 5 for my Myth Recordings (960GB Raid5), but my Videos are on a seperate usb disk... 320GB, music on a 200GB USB disk, another 760GB LVM (4x200) from my old system (not really used atm...) and a 500GB sitting idle... ;-) |
| [00:13:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: Have fun! ;-) |
| [00:15:10] | ** J-e-f-f-A saw a nice Hardware RAID5 device at micro center tonight-- takes up 2 5.25" bays, with 3 HDD slots, and a hardware raid chip – one sata connection. – only about $170 too... almost bought one... ** | |
| [00:17:05] | nevyn: | nice. |
| [00:17:25] | nevyn: | but beware poor support for sata multiplexors in linux |
| [00:17:44] | clever: | i find lvm is nice and flexible |
| [00:17:59] | clever: | able to easily play musical chairs with my hdd's when i need to add/remove them |
| [00:18:15] | nevyn: | for almost everything in myth you want to increase default allocation sizes. |
| [00:18:16] | clever: | ive even put 5 ide drives into an lvm array once |
| [00:18:19] | clever: | thru nbd |
| [00:18:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: Says it's "All-inone Serial ATA hardware RAID5 or 0 drive enclosure"... says it has a hardware chip onboard, single sata connection... |
| [00:18:34] | nevyn: | J-e-f-f-A: it does have a hardware chip inside. |
| [00:18:39] | clever: | ide->usb->ethernet->nbd->lvm |
| [00:19:18] | nevyn: | but the chip doesn't do the raid5 bit it just let's you connect 3 disks to it and have one cable to a host. |
| [00:19:18] | nevyn: | it's like a sata hub |
| [00:19:36] | nevyn: | and there have been issues with sata multiplexors |
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| [00:22:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: Yeah, but it claims to be true hardware raid5... looking it up on their site now... it's a SIIG "SATA RAID 5/0 Bay Enclosure" "All-in-one Serial ATA Hardware RAID 5 or 0 drive enclosure – no extra controller needed!" ... |
| [00:22:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: ... and the text on teh back said it had a hardware raid5 controlle onboard... So I don't think it's just a multiplier... |
| [00:23:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: Found the site: http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=SC-000081-S1 |
| [00:24:48] | ** J-e-f-f-A "Hardware RAID 5 (striped with parity) & RAID 0 (striping) – Uses proprietary ASIC for on-line processing, data striping and parity calculation, delivering excellent IO performance & efficient operations, such as fast disk rebuilding and on-line data recovery for bad sectors." ** | |
| [00:25:08] | ** J-e-f-f-A "Connects directly to the host computer via standard Serial ATA interface – no add-on card or extra driver needed" ** | |
| [00:26:49] | ** J-e-f-f-A Yikes! $399 from them... maybe MicroCenter has it priced wrong??? (I should go buy one if that's the case!) ** | |
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| [00:28:42] | ** J-e-f-f-A $339.99 on newegg... But reviews say it's slow... ** | |
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| [00:30:19] | elg: | hi, how do I find out if and/or set myth to use vidix? |
| [00:32:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | elg: What's vidix? |
| [00:32:19] | elg: | it's something like xv |
| [00:32:24] | elg: | what my video card works best with |
| [00:32:31] | elg: | for tv out |
| [00:32:40] | GreyFoxx: | elg: myth doesn't support it |
| [00:33:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | elg: Get yourself an NVidia card... ;-) |
| [00:34:04] | nevyn: | J-e-f-f-A: here's the thing.. do you trust your data to some crack electronics engineer ASIC raid5 algorithms |
| [00:35:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: yeah, I suppose... I should just stick with the software raid5, eh? I've got enough horsepower to spare... (A64 x2 4600+) |
| [00:35:44] | nevyn: | J-e-f-f-A: and what about reporting/monitoring |
| [00:35:51] | nevyn: | if it's all on the end of a sata cable. |
| [00:36:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: It's got a serial port interface... but only winblows software I'm sure... And led's and audible buzzer for issues... |
| [00:37:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: humm... it's only sata150 though... maybe that's part of the 'slow' comments... |
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| [01:03:00] | TelnetManta: | HELP!!!!!!!!!! |
| [01:04:26] | jamesd__: | help comes to those who pay for support. ;-) |
| [01:04:57] | TelnetManta: | you would think |
| [01:04:58] | nevyn: | jamesd__: who offers commercial support to arbitary myth installations? |
| [01:05:13] | nevyn: | jamesd__: where's the price list? |
| [01:06:54] | TelnetManta: | all of a sudden my frontend looses connection with the backend but the backend is running as I see the EIT processes working. If I try to watch a recording or tv is freezes. I cant access via mythweb either. |
| [01:07:05] | TelnetManta: | I checked the DB and there were no errors. |
| [01:07:15] | TelnetManta: | anyone have an idea where to start? |
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| [01:07:41] | xris: | gdb? |
| [01:07:59] | xris: | there are instructions on the bug submission page at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/newticket/ |
| [01:08:40] | TelnetManta: | This has happened several times and I wanted to make sure to get a look at the log this time, it looks normal.. I even see the frontend conecting. Odd.... |
| [01:11:00] | SlicerDicer: | argh my fricken raid is acting up |
| [01:11:05] | SlicerDicer: | anybody here familar with mdadm? |
| [01:11:10] | SlicerDicer: | for raid craps |
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| [01:14:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: Somewhat, but maybe not enough... what's up? |
| [01:14:17] | xris: | SlicerDicer: not much more than is in the man page |
| [01:15:00] | SlicerDicer: | well... |
| [01:15:05] | SlicerDicer: | I never had a issue with this before... |
| [01:15:20] | SlicerDicer: | /dev/hda1 1 19457 156288321 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| [01:15:29] | SlicerDicer: | /dev/sda1 1 21277 170907471 83 Linux |
| [01:15:36] | SlicerDicer: | those two should be raid0 |
| [01:15:45] | SlicerDicer: | drives are not exactly same size |
| [01:15:50] | SlicerDicer: | but I never had problems with it before |
| [01:15:55] | SlicerDicer: | when I try to do mdadm --assemble |
| [01:16:25] | SlicerDicer: | mdadm: no recogniseable superblock on /dev/hda1 |
| [01:16:25] | SlicerDicer: | mdadm: /dev/hda1 has no superblock – assembly aborted |
| [01:16:27] | SlicerDicer: | fine no big deal |
| [01:16:32] | SlicerDicer: | I will just recreate the array |
| [01:16:42] | SlicerDicer: | its just parity for my raid5 |
| [01:17:01] | SlicerDicer: | mdadm: /dev/hda1 is too small: 0K |
| [01:17:01] | SlicerDicer: | mdadm: create aborted |
| [01:17:06] | SlicerDicer: | ARGH!!! |
| [01:17:08] | SlicerDicer: | this is my problem haha |
| [01:17:10] | Aval0n: | does your cpu usage go up in mythtv if you run at a higher resoultion for X |
| [01:17:23] | SlicerDicer: | mdadm --create /dev/md2 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hda1 /dev/sda1 |
| [01:17:27] | SlicerDicer: | thats my command to create |
| [01:17:27] | Aval0n: | so like if I specify a higher res in xorg.conf will mythtv work harder? |
| [01:17:50] | SlicerDicer: | and also... |
| [01:17:59] | SlicerDicer: | I dont understand why they are not all listed as linux raid autodetect |
| [01:18:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Aval0n: Sure, unless you're using XVMC... And even then it would go up a little I think... |
| [01:18:13] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [01:18:20] | Aval0n: | cause I am noticing skipping in my HD |
| [01:18:21] | SlicerDicer: | so there ya go J-e-f-f-A and xris :) my retarted raidsetup :/ |
| [01:18:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: What's the mdadm command to show the raid? |
| [01:18:25] | Aval0n: | I was at 1280x720 |
| [01:18:31] | Aval0n: | now I'm 1360x768 |
| [01:18:33] | SlicerDicer: | what you mean? |
| [01:18:36] | Aval0n: | so that's probably the reason |
| [01:18:37] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [01:18:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | That you did to get the list of drives — I'll look at my software raid5 and see how it looks... |
| [01:19:03] | SlicerDicer: | xris: I really need kormoc haha :) he knows what crazy shit I did... |
| [01:19:13] | SlicerDicer: | ohh J-e-f-f-A thats the cat /proc/mdstat |
| [01:19:17] | SlicerDicer: | however I am not able to do a assemble |
| [01:19:21] | SlicerDicer: | so I cant see the drives in the array |
| [01:19:35] | SlicerDicer: | I cant get the array to assemble so I am trying to recreate it and its not working |
| [01:19:46] | SlicerDicer: | my raid5 can assemble without the parity drive I believe |
| [01:19:58] | SlicerDicer: | havent tried but I assume it will |
| [01:20:02] | SlicerDicer: | I had no problem doing my raid1 |
| [01:20:18] | SlicerDicer: | J-e-f-f-A my raid is a disaster bigtime haha |
| [01:20:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: — oo $hit... that shows I've got a failed drive... only shows sdb1 and sdc1... eek! Where's sda1????? uh-oh... |
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| [01:21:09] | SlicerDicer: | haha J-e-f-f-A |
| [01:21:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: See: md0 : active raid5 sdb1[1] sdc1[2] |
| [01:22:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: That's probably why my backend crashed last-night at about 11:00pm... |
| [01:22:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | (the mythbackend process, not the whole box...) |
| [01:22:24] | SlicerDicer: | if I try a --build |
| [01:22:26] | SlicerDicer: | mdadm --build /dev/md2 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hda1 /dev/sda1 |
| [01:22:26] | SlicerDicer: | mdadm: ADD_NEW_DISK failed for /dev/hda1: Invalid argument |
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| [01:23:52] | SlicerDicer: | md1 : active raid1 sda2[0] hdc3[1] |
| [01:23:52] | SlicerDicer: | 19534976 blocks [2/2] [UU] |
| [01:23:55] | SlicerDicer: | that one is working fine though |
| [01:24:06] | SlicerDicer: | now you are starting to see how much of a mess I have haha |
| [01:24:17] | SlicerDicer: | sd2 = raid 1 sd1 = raid0 BWA HA HA messy |
| [01:24:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: My raid is up & running, but with a failed drive... yikes... good thing I didn't re-boot, it won't let me boot with the failed drive... |
| [01:24:47] | SlicerDicer: | why would it not? |
| [01:24:51] | SlicerDicer: | its raid5 with failed parity |
| [01:24:54] | SlicerDicer: | it should boot just fine |
| [01:25:18] | SlicerDicer: | hell I built my raid5 without parity haha |
| [01:25:32] | SlicerDicer: | I needed the disks for space to copy onto |
| [01:25:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: My FC6 system won't let it start the raid in 'degraded' mode from boot for some reason... I had a drive fail last year, and I had to rebuild the array before I could start it back up again... |
| [01:25:37] | SlicerDicer: | so I could archive everything back and forth |
| [01:25:39] | SlicerDicer: | ahh |
| [01:25:42] | SlicerDicer: | stupid fedora |
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| [01:27:24] | PatrickDK: | hmm |
| [01:27:56] | SlicerDicer: | md3 : active raid5 sdb1[1] sdc1[2] |
| [01:27:56] | SlicerDicer: | 586067072 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [_UU] |
| [01:28:00] | SlicerDicer: | just started my raid5 to test |
| [01:28:05] | SlicerDicer: | its degraded but working |
| [01:28:28] | PatrickDK: | you know degradded raid5 only goes like 20% of it's normal speed? |
| [01:28:29] | jamesd__: | SlicerDicer, one drive dieing can change that status. |
| [01:28:41] | PatrickDK: | why I refused to use raid5 |
| [01:29:59] | SlicerDicer: | jamesd__: the drives are not dead |
| [01:30:21] | ShiftyPowers: | i made a boo boo |
| [01:30:28] | ShiftyPowers: | updated my mythweb to svn and now i get this |
| [01:30:29] | ShiftyPowers: | Fatal error: Nesting level too deep – recursive dependency? in /var/www/mythweb/classes/Database.php on line 202 |
| [01:30:30] | jamesd__: | SlicerDicer, there are only 2 types of disk drives, those that have died, and those that will die before you expect them too. |
| [01:30:32] | ShiftyPowers: | any ideas? |
| [01:30:41] | SlicerDicer: | jamesd__: I know they are not dead... |
| [01:31:01] | PatrickDK: | he didn't say they are dead |
| [01:31:08] | PatrickDK: | he said they will be by tomorrow :) |
| [01:31:13] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [01:31:26] | PatrickDK: | think of it this way |
| [01:31:33] | PatrickDK: | one drive died, the others are going fail about the same time |
| [01:31:36] | PatrickDK: | cause they where made the same |
| [01:31:40] | PatrickDK: | and now one is dead |
| [01:31:45] | PatrickDK: | that is even more stress on the good ones |
| [01:31:54] | PatrickDK: | making them speed up their death time |
| [01:32:08] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [01:32:27] | SlicerDicer: | I am serious though my system has gone mental |
| [01:32:38] | SlicerDicer: | I cant seem to get that array to build or assmble or whatever |
| [01:32:41] | SlicerDicer: | its all stupid |
| [01:33:06] | SlicerDicer: | PatrickDK: this system has been dead for quite some time due to mobo issues with bad capaciter stopping it from posting |
| [01:33:16] | SlicerDicer: | fixed the problem by putting on new cap and all is good other than this |
| [01:34:18] | xris: | ShiftyPowers: try a clean install |
| [01:34:47] | ShiftyPowers: | nevermind, found the solution |
| [01:34:51] | ShiftyPowers: | xris, thanks |
| [01:35:02] | ShiftyPowers: | is there anyway in nano to tell what line # your are on? |
| [01:35:17] | xris: | you're not the first to get the error... but I'm pretty sure it's not a problem with mythweb in general |
| [01:35:23] | xris: | ShiftyPowers: control-c, I think |
| [01:35:28] | xris: | dunno, mine always shows the line number |
| [01:35:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | ShiftyPowers: I just had to do an "/sbin/mdadm -a /dev/md0 /dev/sda1" to get my drive to re-build... I am going to have to replace the drive I think... |
| [01:35:55] | xris: | control-_ (that's control shift dash) will move you to a specific line number, too |
| [01:36:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: I'd go through and replace ALL of the caps... |
| [01:36:06] | ShiftyPowers: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ting;#328231 |
| [01:36:09] | ShiftyPowers: | that's the solution apparently |
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| [01:38:00] | xris: | ShiftyPowers: or at least makes the problem go away for awhile. |
| [01:38:47] | xris: | hmm, looks like janne touched something |
| [01:38:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | ShiftyPowers: I use 'nedit', and there's a 'show line numbers' option in it... |
| [01:40:44] | xris: | nope. janne's change shouldn't have done that |
| [01:41:16] | janneg: | xris: I've added only a SET NAMES UTF8 |
| [01:41:45] | xris: | janneg: yeah, I see it. I'll probably move it out of the db class, though.. that's not "mythtv" code so it'd get overwritten after a sync. |
| [01:45:02] | xris: | but shouldn't cause that other error. |
| [01:45:06] | xris: | ShiftyPowers: what distro are you using? |
| [01:45:53] | TXusg990a: | which is the better option for hd content using an Intel GMA950: xv or opengl? |
| [01:46:30] | ShiftyPowers: | xris, ubuntu |
| [01:47:30] | janneg: | xris: it was the obvious place for a temporary fix after the utf8 conversion. I intended to ask if there is a better/different place but forgot it |
| [01:48:08] | xris: | janneg: yeah, no biggie.. I've been slacking on watching commits, too. |
| [01:48:14] | xris: | ShiftyPowers: thx. weird. |
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| [01:50:37] | ShiftyPowers: | it works now after doing the fix i got from that link |
| [01:50:46] | sandeen: | so I finally updated my fc6 myth frontend to f8... and it seems pulseaudio ate my audio... or something. I found several suggestions that most of pulseaudio just get removed; is this what most do for a frontend? |
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| [01:51:17] | TXusg990a: | anyone? opengl vs xv for hd mpeg2 content? |
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| [02:00:02] | xris: | ShiftyPowers: yeah, that fix shouldn't break anything visible.. I just don't know if it does exactly what it tries to set out to do, and not break any existing functionality |
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| [02:03:43] | ShiftyPowers: | ah |
| [02:03:46] | ShiftyPowers: | yeah, that i don't know |
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| [02:08:46] | Chutt: | anyone used an 8500gt with myth (opengl ui, at a relatively high res for display)? |
| [02:09:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | ShiftyPowers: My raid is 8.1% recovered... will be finished in 132 mins... |
| [02:11:33] | ShiftyPowers: | J-e-f-f-A, that's good |
| [02:11:43] | ShiftyPowers: | i guess |
| [02:13:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | ShiftyPowers: Better than not re-building... |
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| [02:15:10] | ** J-e-f-f-A ooh... raid 5 VERY SLOW while re-building a failed drive... yikes... even on my Athlon 64 X2 4600+ !!!!!! ** | |
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| [02:19:06] | nevyn: | meh |
| [02:19:25] | nevyn: | J-e-f-f-A: it takes ~12hrs to rebuild my 4x500G disk array |
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| [02:21:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: How fast is your cpu? |
| [02:21:14] | nevyn: | core2 duo |
| [02:21:18] | nevyn: | 2.bleh Ghz |
| [02:21:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: wow... Well, my raid5 is 3x500GB... and it's going to take about 3hrs total to recover 1 drive... |
| [02:24:32] | nevyn: | J-e-f-f-A: it's rebuilding while in use. |
| [02:25:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: Yeah, mine's in use too.. ;-) |
| [02:26:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: But perhaps not as as much as yours... ;-) |
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| [02:28:59] | rushfan: | If I'm having issues with 1080i video being played back/ properly deinterlaced, is .21 likely to offer significant advantages over .20? |
| [02:35:55] | fryfrog: | rushfan: that depends on a few things, i think. do you know *why* you are having issues? |
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| [02:36:15] | fryfrog: | is it stutter, cpu usage? are you trying to play .mkv files with the *internal* player? |
| [02:36:35] | rushfan: | fryfrog: No I do not know why I am having these issues. I don't think it is CPU usage, and I'm not trying to play .mkv files. |
| [02:36:47] | rushfan: | fryfrog: The issue is that the deinterlacer is leaving "lines" in the middle of my TV. |
| [02:37:24] | rushfan: | For example, overall it will de-interlace it well but in the middle there will be a line where the top and bottom halfs (imagine the line divides the image up) arent properly aligned with each other |
| [02:38:22] | elg: | mplayer takes 20% cpu to play the raw feed from hdhomerun. myth stutters, and it's taking 35% (and yes there's more CPU available) |
| [02:38:26] | elg: | what could be wrong? |
| [02:38:33] | fryfrog: | weird :/ |
| [02:38:45] | rushfan: | fryfrog: weird in response to my issue? I' |
| [02:38:51] | fryfrog: | yeah |
| [02:38:59] | rushfan: | I'll just try .21. It might have some better deinterlacers for High-Def content. |
| [02:39:02] | fryfrog: | that said, i've never tried to *output* interlaced |
| [02:39:10] | fryfrog: | or is it going to a progressive display device? |
| [02:39:11] | rushfan: | I was using it before until my file system corrupted |
| [02:39:20] | rushfan: | fryfrog: Its going to a progressive display device |
| [02:39:27] | fryfrog: | oh, gotcha |
| [02:39:40] | rushfan: | My 22" Widescreen LCD. So I kind of want it deinterlaced properly |
| [02:39:50] | elg: | i have an analog tv, should I turn off deinterlacing? |
| [02:39:52] | fryfrog: | i've never really seen a diff between 720p and 1080i on mine, outputting at 720p |
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| [02:40:03] | rushfan: | fryfrog: how big is your monitor? |
| [02:40:09] | fryfrog: | elg: try and see how it is |
| [02:40:16] | elg: | where is the setting? |
| [02:40:21] | rushfan: | At any rate, I cant help this, because the TV channel is 1080i |
| [02:40:25] | fryfrog: | rushfan: 30" CRT that does native 720p (but can accept 1080i) |
| [02:40:37] | rushfan: | Oh, my monitor is capable of 1080p native |
| [02:40:40] | fryfrog: | i always forget elg , somewhere in the settings pages (the 100s of them) |
| [02:41:10] | rushfan: | I'll just upgrade and play with the settings. |
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| [02:44:04] | nevyn: | J-e-f-f-A: [>....................] recovery = 0.0% (92280/488385408) finish=115291.4min speed=70K/sec |
| [02:44:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: [=====>...............] recovery = 28.8% (140890624/488383936) finish=123.8min speed=46762K/sec |
| [02:45:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: Wow, why is yours so much slower? Is my chipset that much better perhaps? Nvidia? |
| [02:45:51] | nevyn: | we've deprioritiesed the rebuild to stop it affecting usage io |
| [02:46:08] | nevyn: | it goes faster when nothing's recording or being watched or .... |
| [02:47:00] | nevyn: | avg-cpu: %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle 0.79 20.48 2.48 66.59 0.00 9.67 |
| [02:47:13] | nevyn: | so that's 66.5% in iowait. |
| [02:47:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: Ok, that makes sense... ;-) — My backend is recording, and my son's watching stuff via UPnP, and I'm watching on a frontend now... |
| [02:48:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: Cpu(s): 8.0%us, 3.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 79.4%id, 7.3%wa, 0.3%hi, 1.3%si, 0.0%st |
| [02:48:26] | fryfrog: | nevyn: something is wrong with yours, 70k/sec is not normal |
| [02:48:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: he niced it... |
| [02:48:39] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [02:48:42] | fryfrog: | nm |
| [02:49:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | nevyn: here it is, with the cpu's split out: |
| [02:49:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cpu0 : 2.2%us, 2.1%sy, 1.9%ni, 92.1%id, 1.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.5%si, 0.0%st |
| [02:49:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cpu1 : 2.3%us, 2.2%sy, 2.4%ni, 91.6%id, 1.1%wa, 0.1%hi, 0.4%si, 0.0%st |
| [02:50:02] | kormoc: | fryfrog, you can set the speeds in /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_* |
| [02:50:10] | kormoc: | so that very well can be normal |
| [02:50:23] | fryfrog: | yeah, i should have scrolled up and read :) |
| [02:50:30] | fryfrog: | but that isn't a normal *default* :p |
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| [02:53:49] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: hey |
| [02:54:07] | kormoc: | howwdy |
| [02:54:50] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: I got my system partially back up :) |
| [02:54:55] | SlicerDicer: | its building the array finally |
| [02:55:01] | SlicerDicer: | I got a question for ya though |
| [02:55:01] | kormoc: | nice :) |
| [02:55:18] | SlicerDicer: | I got partions not labeled linux raid autodetect |
| [02:55:24] | SlicerDicer: | that are software raid partiitons |
| [02:55:31] | SlicerDicer: | how do I get them to be labled that? |
| [02:55:36] | kormoc: | fdisk |
| [02:55:46] | kormoc: | set the partition type |
| [02:55:56] | SlicerDicer: | yeah I was trying to remember what I need to pass to do it |
| [02:56:05] | kormoc: | I believe L lists the types |
| [02:56:11] | fryfrog: | i believe it is "fd" |
| [02:56:11] | mikeones: | t fd |
| [02:56:27] | fryfrog: | that got me a few times when i first started soft raid :) |
| [02:56:47] | SlicerDicer: | hehe |
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| [02:59:42] | SlicerDicer: | there all set properly now |
| [03:00:36] | SlicerDicer: | J-e-f-f-A [===>.................] recovery = 15.5% (45489280/293033536) finish=75.5min speed=54584K/sec |
| [03:00:37] | SlicerDicer: | :) |
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| [03:01:18] | kormoc: | all you guys showing off your recovery speed, well, mine's better, it's fully synced! |
| [03:01:22] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [03:01:35] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: wonder if my speed will go up once I add another drive heh |
| [03:01:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | hahaha... ;-) Mine usually is too... ;-) |
| [03:02:45] | SlicerDicer: | and kormoc was going to ask how good are sata multipliers? |
| [03:03:01] | SlicerDicer: | cause I am getting to the limit of my case in hdd |
| [03:03:09] | kormoc: | multipliers? |
| [03:03:17] | kormoc: | you mean esata? |
| [03:03:17] | SlicerDicer: | you not familar with this? |
| [03:03:48] | SlicerDicer: | does not need to be esata from what I gather |
| [03:03:49] | SlicerDicer: | http://www.serialata.org/portmultiplier.asp |
| [03:03:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... my raid speed_limit_max is set to 200000 --- should I increase that??? |
| [03:04:12] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, are you really gonna go faster then 200 megs per second? |
| [03:04:31] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [03:04:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Humm... I thought perhaps it was bits... since I'm getting 24MB/sec... |
| [03:04:48] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: well if he was trying to record as many HD streams as I was in WA sure ;-) |
| [03:04:55] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, it's in k |
| [03:04:55] | SlicerDicer: | I ran into bottlenecks of shit there |
| [03:05:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: and my cpus are not very busy... |
| [03:05:14] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, 24 mb/sec is 240000000, so it's not bits for sure |
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| [03:06:03] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, ahh, those require special controler cards, aye, they work well enough, but not overly speedy |
| [03:06:15] | SlicerDicer: | ahh I thought it was just any port? |
| [03:06:33] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, not at all |
| [03:06:33] | SlicerDicer: | thats why I asked :) |
| [03:06:40] | SlicerDicer: | shit.. |
| [03:06:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: ^^ oh yeah... sorry, brain fart... |
| [03:06:46] | kormoc: | "SATA PM requires that controllers support either command-based switching or FIS (Frame Information Structure)-based switching in order to use port multiplication." |
| [03:06:49] | SlicerDicer: | well damn.. I guess when I go to go larger |
| [03:06:55] | SlicerDicer: | I will go with larger drives |
| [03:07:04] | SlicerDicer: | maybe 1tb drives this time for raid5 :) |
| [03:07:24] | kormoc: | they're typically a special cable connection too, so they won't plug into non-pm slots |
| [03:07:32] | kormoc: | a lot of the 3ware controllers use them |
| [03:07:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: Or get the Asus "MegaTasking" motherboard ... dual Opteron processors, and 12 SATA II ports... ;-) |
| [03:07:56] | SlicerDicer: | LOL |
| [03:08:06] | SlicerDicer: | nah its cheaper to get 1tb drives |
| [03:08:09] | SlicerDicer: | quieter too |
| [03:08:23] | SlicerDicer: | I dont want a 747 setting in my living room |
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| [03:08:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: So put the backend in the basement! ;-) And a nice, quiet, even perhaps diskless, frontend in the living room... ;-) |
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| [03:09:14] | SlicerDicer: | I dont have a basement |
| [03:09:21] | SlicerDicer: | radon gas kinda thing ;-) |
| [03:11:03] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: firewire external daisy chain? |
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| [03:11:19] | kormoc: | you could |
| [03:11:26] | SlicerDicer: | that would be 64 drives |
| [03:11:26] | kormoc: | might just be eaiser to do esata |
| [03:11:38] | kormoc: | 64 slow drives :P |
| [03:11:42] | SlicerDicer: | ;-) |
| [03:12:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, remember when Firewire was FAST? ;-) |
| [03:12:07] | SlicerDicer: | yeah I am not too worried about it |
| [03:12:14] | SlicerDicer: | its a bit away from now |
| [03:12:25] | SlicerDicer: | was just issuing a query |
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| [03:13:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Holy ***... it's still 64F outside... and it's 11:15pm... wow... |
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| [03:18:49] | hti_pro: | im tryin to setup a backend on ubuntu. I already had the mythtv-database package installed. Now this use to be a slave backend and is now becoming a master backend. How do i reset the mysql password for the mythtv user. I tried dpkg-reconfigure but no mysql password change. |
| [03:20:34] | SlicerDicer: | lol J-e-f-f-A it was snowing today here |
| [03:20:39] | SlicerDicer: | so odd so odd |
| [03:20:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: Gee, looks like my raid rebuild is complete... |
| [03:21:01] | SlicerDicer: | 50 mins left on mine |
| [03:21:10] | SlicerDicer: | then IG ot to figure out how to get it all grub slaphappy again |
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| [03:21:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: umm... although things don't look so good... missing files... |
| [03:22:02] | kormoc: | awesomesause |
| [03:22:10] | hti_pro: | j-e-f-f-A: what kind of raid you runnin |
| [03:22:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | hti_pro: software raid5... /dev/md0... |
| [03:22:36] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: yep grub was throwing error 17 haha |
| [03:22:46] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, check is your friend |
| [03:22:47] | SlicerDicer: | had to go in and manually rebuild everything |
| [03:22:50] | hti_pro: | oh, I'm sorry |
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| [03:23:17] | hti_pro: | I have not had good luck at all with software raid |
| [03:23:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: .... umm.. what's the syntax? (no command 'check'... ;-) ) |
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| [03:23:55] | hti_pro: | very good luck with hardware raid, using dell PERC2/DC |
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| [03:24:15] | SlicerDicer: | I dont like hardware raid ideas |
| [03:24:17] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, echo "check" > /sys/block/md#/md/sync_action |
| [03:24:23] | SlicerDicer: | hardware fails you be screwed hti_pro |
| [03:24:33] | SlicerDicer: | software raid hardware fails it can be rebuilt |
| [03:25:03] | hti_pro: | SlicerDicer, takes a hell of a load off of resources... |
| [03:25:13] | SlicerDicer: | hti_pro: what resources? |
| [03:25:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Ok, just gave me back a prompt – how do I status it's progress? |
| [03:25:18] | kormoc: | hti_pro, it's really not that bad |
| [03:25:18] | SlicerDicer: | I hardly ever see my cpu used |
| [03:25:19] | hti_pro: | Only if controller fails... AI think it is still recoverable though |
| [03:25:30] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, watch cat /proc/mdstat |
| [03:25:50] | kormoc: | hti_pro, typically only with the same controller and at times, the exact same firmware |
| [03:26:07] | hti_pro: | not a problem, I have backups |
| [03:26:15] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: you convinced me never to go hardware raid haha |
| [03:26:18] | ** J-e-f-f-A has a feeling this isn't good: md0 : active raid5 sda1[3](S) sdb1[4](F) sdc1[2] ** | |
| [03:26:23] | SlicerDicer: | besides my system would never work with hardware raid |
| [03:26:35] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, not really |
| [03:26:45] | hti_pro: | bought two backup controllers lfor $15 bucks a pop |
| [03:26:57] | hti_pro: | maybe old, but very reliable |
| [03:27:27] | hti_pro: | SlicerDicer: why wouldn't it work with hardware raid |
| [03:27:50] | SlicerDicer: | cause I am insane |
| [03:27:53] | elg: | i can't find the deinterlace toggle in 0.21 |
| [03:27:59] | SlicerDicer: | I am running raid across sata and pata |
| [03:28:04] | SlicerDicer: | drive sizes are all wonky |
| [03:28:18] | SlicerDicer: | I am running 320 320 200 160 120gb drives |
| [03:28:28] | SlicerDicer: | I have a raid5 of 320gb disks and raid1 of 20gb disks |
| [03:28:30] | kormoc: | hti_pro, yay, scsi. Do you verify the BBU monthly? older cards like that one tends to have bad BBU's and that's a very bad thing for you |
| [03:28:45] | hti_pro: | resource usage is not too bad with software raid, i admit, but instead of access 3–5 disks it thinks it is only accessing one |
| [03:28:56] | kormoc: | elg, edit your playback profiles |
| [03:29:01] | hti_pro: | thats an 80% reduction in resource usage |
| [03:29:09] | kormoc: | hti_pro, no it's not |
| [03:29:10] | SlicerDicer: | afaik you cant run pata and sata in raid with HW |
| [03:29:20] | kormoc: | the math doesn't work that simply :) |
| [03:29:45] | hti_pro: | please explain |
| [03:29:50] | SlicerDicer: | 11.9% cpu usage building my raid5 parity |
| [03:29:51] | kormoc: | hti_pro, you have issues with the lack of NCQ support on your cards, nor the enhanced io scheduling |
| [03:29:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Oh crap – look at http://www.pastebin.ca/980594 <-- My 3 disks are sda1, sdb1 and sdc1... uh-oh... |
| [03:30:28] | kormoc: | hti_pro, accessing more drives at once doesn't actually really mean more resource usage, just as addressing more ip addresses doesn't mean more network usage |
| [03:30:47] | elg: | kormoc: playback groups? |
| [03:31:05] | kormoc: | elg, no, the profiles, under tv playback settings |
| [03:31:21] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: I fear my drives do not have NCQ support ;-) |
| [03:31:25] | SlicerDicer: | one is very old haha |
| [03:31:32] | SlicerDicer: | I think I got it in 2002? |
| [03:31:33] | hti_pro: | I can understand that but if the replication is being handled by software, and therefore the cpu, that is unneccessary resource usage |
| [03:31:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: I think I'm in trouble... see the pastebin above ^^^ |
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| [03:32:04] | kormoc: | hti_pro, hashes are ultra fast, hence my statement that it's not just x-1 less resource usage |
| [03:32:29] | Asacarn1: | suppose i build a computer lacking s-video out ports... can i use a separate card to do s-video out easily? |
| [03:32:30] | hti_pro: | cpu usage while rebuilding array .... 0% |
| [03:32:35] | hti_pro: | on hardware array |
| [03:32:52] | kormoc: | hti_pro, not always, depends on the card actually, a lot of cards still use the cpu for the rebuilding |
| [03:32:57] | SlicerDicer: | hti_pro: ohh noes I use 11% cpu usage for 1.5 hours |
| [03:33:01] | SlicerDicer: | :) |
| [03:33:05] | kormoc: | hti_pro, not all cards have a onboard xor chip |
| [03:33:06] | hti_pro: | mine doesnt |
| [03:33:11] | SlicerDicer: | its not that critical.. why have a cpu then? |
| [03:33:22] | kormoc: | hti_pro, but a blanket statment that hardware is always 0% cpu isn't true |
| [03:33:33] | hti_pro: | i can agree to that |
| [03:33:39] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: he can saturate busses too :) |
| [03:33:46] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: if its pci anyway |
| [03:33:52] | hti_pro: | mine takes about 10–15 minutes for rebuild and doesnt use any cpu |
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| [03:34:18] | kormoc: | hti_pro, that's another good point, I can split up my drives on a pile of different busses and thus maximize them, chaining together hardware cards isn't very well handled yet |
| [03:34:29] | elg: | kormoc: thanks |
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| [03:34:33] | elg: | alas it didn't fix it |
| [03:34:53] | ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel crosses his fingers as he reboots his backend... (and says 100 prayers...) ** | |
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| [03:35:40] | elg: | myth is using 40% cpu, there's at least 30% more available |
| [03:35:43] | elg: | dma is on |
| [03:35:51] | elg: | only trying to watch live tv |
| [03:35:59] | hti_pro: | agreed, there are good points and bad for each.... I have a very limited budget and therefore try to conserve every last bit of resources, so my setup works great for me... for those who have a little money for better cpu, ram, etc... not that big of deal |
| [03:36:01] | elg: | mplayer plays the same stream fine |
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| [03:36:09] | elg: | but myth stutters |
| [03:36:14] | kormoc: | hti_pro, for example, I have 8 drives in my box currently, a 8 way raid controller is more costly then a cpu upgrade that will handle all of that and still have the same amount free. I can put in another 4 drives on another controller, and then I can grow my raid-5 onto those drives without any downtime |
| [03:36:28] | kormoc: | hti_pro, sure, but you started with a blanket statement that hardware was better ;) |
| [03:36:41] | kormoc: | elg, pause for a few seconds? |
| [03:37:04] | elg: | doesn't help |
| [03:37:19] | hti_pro: | i retract my previous statement, and ammend it, I have better experience with hardware raid |
| [03:37:52] | hti_pro: | also I have had to do several rebuilds and I have never lost data |
| [03:38:06] | hti_pro: | ...with hardware |
| [03:38:08] | kormoc: | I just keep growing my array :) |
| [03:38:17] | hti_pro: | i have lost data everytime rebuilding software raid |
| [03:38:24] | kormoc: | migrating to new drives without downtime is awesomesauce |
| [03:38:34] | Asacarn1: | so are ATI cards just a no go for mythtv? |
| [03:38:36] | ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel *crap*... "An error occurred during the file system check.".... I Knew this was going to happen... AARRRGGGHHH!!!!! ** | |
| [03:38:48] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, can't put the old drives back in? |
| [03:39:06] | elg: | ah, here's something interesting. if I hit guide, the guide tries to come up but disappears/reappears coinciding with the stutter |
| [03:39:43] | hti_pro: | anyone know how to set a password for the mysql mythtv user |
| [03:40:03] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: The same drives are in... boot just stopped for "Repair Filesystem" mode because the raid is down... Uggghhh..... |
| [03:40:38] | hti_pro: | ... by the way, I can hotswap and rebuild my array without ever shutting down the system |
| [03:40:47] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, single user mode is likely the way to go, force the rebuild on the valid drives |
| [03:40:54] | kormoc: | hti_pro, but to larger drives? :) |
| [03:40:54] | hti_pro: | capturing video all the while |
| [03:41:11] | kormoc: | hti_pro, I honestly don't know of a single hardware card that can resize the array live |
| [03:41:18] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: cant you hotswap normal sata if you have those drive thingys |
| [03:41:26] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, aye |
| [03:41:33] | elg: | is it true that over-the-air digital in the USA is always MPEG-2? |
| [03:41:34] | hti_pro: | resizing, i don't know, havent tried |
| [03:41:48] | SlicerDicer: | so what stops hotswap rebuild blah blah sauce with software raid? |
| [03:41:59] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, nothing |
| [03:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | elg: Yes |
| [03:42:10] | hti_pro: | I take that back, I can add drives to my array while running, and therfore increasing the size of my array' |
| [03:42:16] | GreyFoxx: | elg: It doesn't have to be, it can be h264, but so far it's all mpeg2 |
| [03:42:33] | SlicerDicer: | thats what I thought... so what is hti_pro talking with he can hotswap and rebuild without shutting down? |
| [03:42:34] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: Trouble is I forget the commands, and have to google... ugh... |
| [03:42:44] | SlicerDicer: | if you can do it with software too |
| [03:42:55] | elg: | wikipedia is telling me "In the United States, ATSC permits only MPEG-2 as the codec." |
| [03:43:01] | hti_pro: | SlierDicer: as long as you have sata, what if you use pata |
| [03:43:03] | SlicerDicer: | is it not the same difference to have capability on both? |
| [03:43:12] | kormoc: | hti_pro, mdadmin has an option that you say have 320's in your raid, swap one with a 500, rebuild, swap another one to 500, rebuild, swap the thrid one, rebuild, have 1tb available now, rather then 640 |
| [03:43:22] | SlicerDicer: | hti_pro: I was speaking of sata and who would use hardware raid pata anyway? |
| [03:43:47] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, I did! 3ware 7006! |
| [03:43:47] | SlicerDicer: | pata is so depreciated its nuts.. only reason I use it makes life cheaper :) |
| [03:43:53] | purserj: | okay ouch, mythflix dies in a horrible way on building latest trunk |
| [03:44:05] | SlicerDicer: | hell kormoc mobos are omitting the pata |
| [03:44:06] | hti_pro: | I dont know i use scsi |
| [03:44:13] | SlicerDicer: | but fucking floppy exists.... |
| [03:44:14] | SlicerDicer: | LOL |
| [03:44:19] | SlicerDicer: | I am perplexed by that one |
| [03:44:25] | SlicerDicer: | that just wont die... |
| [03:45:04] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: When I try to assemble, it says "/dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive and 1 spare – not enough to start the array." ... |
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| [03:45:29] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, you need to give a second drive for a raid-5 |
| [03:45:36] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, the spare has no data on it |
| [03:45:59] | hti_pro: | I use to use hardware pata raid |
| [03:46:05] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc... that's not good... I have 3 drives, none of them should be a spare... /dev/sda1 , sdb1, sdc1 ... |
| [03:46:11] | hti_pro: | worked alright for the price of the card....$10 |
| [03:46:28] | SlicerDicer: | use to use... is that not the keyword? ;-) |
| [03:46:28] | hti_pro: | better results than software raid, but nothing like my scsi raid |
| [03:46:34] | SlicerDicer: | SATA is future future is NIGH!!! |
| [03:46:57] | kormoc: | my pata raid controller cost me ~$300 at the time, for a 2 drive raid controller :) |
| [03:47:00] | kormoc: | it rocked at the time |
| [03:47:05] | SlicerDicer: | pata and pci are being butchered 6 ways from sunday right now on mobos |
| [03:47:15] | kormoc: | sas > sata |
| [03:47:16] | SlicerDicer: | soon they will be nothing more than OMG you suck you retard you use old shit |
| [03:47:25] | SlicerDicer: | ;-) |
| [03:47:31] | kormoc: | sas > stat > scsi > pata |
| [03:47:46] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: sas is nuts |
| [03:48:03] | hti_pro: | I payed $10 bucks for a 4 drive raid controller that would work with dma in collaboration with another card of the same model in order to mirror 2 raid 5 arrays |
| [03:49:06] | hti_pro: | dma allows it to bypass the cpu and therefore use extremely small amounts of resources |
| [03:49:07] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: for the record I am mostly talking out my paper asshole as I have no real idea what I am talking about here just what I have read ;-) |
| [03:49:41] | kormoc: | hti_pro, dma doesn't bypass the cpu, it still processes it, just doesn't have to use a bounce buffer to send the data |
| [03:50:32] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: "mdadm --examine /dev/sda1" gives bogus info, but /sdb1 looks right... Any ideas? Remove /dev/sda1 and bring it up? |
| [03:50:37] | hti_pro: | yes but uses an much less resources, I said bypass due to lack of better word/phrase... dma uses very little dma |
| [03:50:44] | hti_pro: | er.... cpu resources |
| [03:50:45] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, what bout sdc1? |
| [03:50:57] | hti_pro: | god I can't think straight right now |
| [03:51:43] | kormoc: | hti_pro, all controllers these days are dma and bus mastered, even onboard ones |
| [03:51:47] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: Both sda1 and sdc1 say "0 removed" "1 faulty removed" "3 active synce /dev/sdc1" "4 spare /dev/sda1"... |
| [03:52:05] | hti_pro: | anyway, no intention on a battle of software vs. hardware raid here... just voicing an opinion |
| [03:52:17] | hti_pro: | Both have upsides, and downsides |
| [03:52:27] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, hrm... that's a problem. what prompted the removal of the drives? |
| [03:52:34] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: /dev/sdb1 says "0 removed" "1 active sync /dev/sdb1" "2 active sync /dev/sdc1" "3 spare /dev/sda1" <- although 3 looks fishy to me... |
| [03:53:10] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: hell if I know... I didn't think to look at the logs before I shutdown & re-booted... |
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| [03:53:46] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, try reassembling with sdb1 as the first master, sdc1 as the second drive, see if it comes up cleanly? |
| [03:54:15] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: So "mdadm --reassemble /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1"? |
| [03:54:21] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [03:54:42] | kormoc: | it might just be --assemble actually |
| [03:55:06] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: "/dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive – not enough to start the array." |
| [03:55:14] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [03:55:18] | ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel not good... ** | |
| [03:55:25] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, dmesg show anything? |
| [03:55:25] | hti_pro: | so... I ran apt-get install mythtv-database, so how do I get the username and password in order to setup the backend |
| [03:55:56] | elg: | how can I tell if a card (in my machine) has mpeg-2 decoder acceleration? |
| [03:56:01] | kormoc: | hti_pro, ubuntu is special, they do things weirdly and they have their own mythtv channel on here |
| [03:56:03] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: Do I have to tell it to remove /dev/sda1? |
| [03:56:04] | kormoc: | elg, what's the card? |
| [03:56:13] | elg: | nvidia quadro nvs 280 sd |
| [03:56:28] | hti_pro: | kormoc: what would be that channel name |
| [03:56:29] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, nah, you can try --force to force the assemble, but it seems like something is foobarred majorly... |
| [03:56:36] | kormoc: | hti_pro, donno offhand |
| [03:56:57] | kormoc: | elg, google to see if it supports xvmc, or check the driver docs |
| [03:57:12] | hti_pro: | kormoc: alright thanks alot :) |
| [03:57:13] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: Well, that looks more promising... it says "has been started with 2 drives (out of 3)."... let's see if I have data, or trash... |
| [04:00:23] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: Well, that seems to have worked... now I've re-added /dev/sda1 — it's recovering, we'll see if I have data in 2 hours... (well, the morning, I'm going to bed...) |
| [04:00:39] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, g'luck |
| [04:00:54] | kormoc: | hti_pro, no problems |
| [04:00:58] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: Thanks for your help. ;-) |
| [04:01:05] | kormoc: | no problems |
| [04:01:14] | kormoc: | can't tell I've done this before ;) |
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| [04:03:47] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | kormoc: Gee, getting 70MB/sec with NOTHING running except the recovery... |
| [04:05:03] | hti_pro: | is it just me or is ubuntu not really popular on IRC, every ubuntu channel i've been to is dead |
| [04:06:05] | hti_pro: | makes me wonder why it is so successful |
| [04:06:19] | SlicerDicer: | hti_pro: errm |
| [04:06:23] | SlicerDicer: | I dont see em dead |
| [04:06:36] | fryfrog: | hti_pro: #ubuntu in the past for me has been so active i can't keep up with conversations :/ |
| [04:06:43] | fryfrog: | you sure you are on freenode? |
| [04:07:05] | hti_pro: | wuite sure |
| [04:07:08] | hti_pro: | quite |
| [04:07:12] | SlicerDicer: | maybe hes getting kicked into overflow? |
| [04:07:35] | fryfrog: | i got in, 1100 people |
| [04:07:48] | hti_pro: | #ubuntu is good, but specialized channels such as #ubuntu-mythv seem to be pretty dead |
| [04:07:50] | fryfrog: | i can't imagine they are all quiet! but stranger things have happened |
| [04:07:56] | fryfrog: | oh, yeah, for sure |
| [04:08:07] | fryfrog: | #gentoo-mythtv is usually slow too |
| [04:08:19] | fryfrog: | are there *any* distro-specific mythtv channels that are active? |
| [04:08:20] | SlicerDicer: | what would you be in ubuntu-mythv for? |
| [04:08:39] | SlicerDicer: | I am just wondering.. I mean most topics of distro stuffs could be handled here no? |
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| [04:09:09] | hti_pro: | i'm converting a slave backend to a master backend, installed the mythtv-database package but I was not provided with the credential for the mythtv user |
| [04:09:20] | SlicerDicer: | besides imo ubuntu has screwed the pooch on mythtv uptodateness |
| [04:09:55] | fryfrog: | SlicerDicer: how? 8.10 has 0.21 no? |
| [04:10:04] | SlicerDicer: | hardy? |
| [04:10:11] | fryfrog: | yeah |
| [04:10:20] | SlicerDicer: | wow wonders never cease |
| [04:10:23] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [04:10:34] | SlicerDicer: | I remember they would not update it to .20 for freaking ever |
| [04:10:35] | hti_pro: | yes i am using hardy and and gutsy-backports on another backend |
| [04:10:36] | fryfrog: | what do you mean? |
| [04:10:50] | SlicerDicer: | not that it matters |
| [04:10:54] | SlicerDicer: | I usually run SVN anyway |
| [04:10:55] | fryfrog: | they do updates in major releases, just like *most* other distros |
| [04:11:06] | hti_pro: | 0.21 is much better than the 0.20 that i was stuck with till i discovered backports |
| [04:11:12] | fryfrog: | gentoo is one of the only ones i know of where you get "latest" w/in a few days or weeks of a release |
| [04:11:31] | ** SlicerDicer is a former gentoo user ** | |
| [04:11:34] | SlicerDicer: | who is impatient! |
| [04:11:46] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [04:11:53] | fryfrog: | me too, and i use svn of -fixes too :) |
| [04:11:53] | kormoc: | They can pry my Gentoo from my cold, dead hands! |
| [04:12:08] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: I heard things are getting better with gentoo lately? |
| [04:12:18] | kormoc: | we'll see |
| [04:12:21] | SlicerDicer: | I quit using it cause ebuilds were hosing my sytem :/ |
| [04:12:31] | fryfrog: | i just got tired of constantly updating :( |
| [04:12:34] | hti_pro: | is there any way to query the password of the mythtv user from the mysql root account |
| [04:12:40] | fryfrog: | and having to deal with tiny issues due to it |
| [04:12:56] | fryfrog: | you could either update every day or two and deal with one or two small issues, maybe |
| [04:12:57] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: still love gentoo and would go back in a heartbeat if I knew things were getting better :) |
| [04:13:05] | fryfrog: | or update every week/month and deal with a ton of little ones :( |
| [04:13:05] | hti_pro: | I stopped using it because everytime i had a corrupt disk, it put me out for a couple days |
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| [04:13:09] | fryfrog: | and maybe a big one or two |
| [04:13:13] | hti_pro: | ...download..compile |
| [04:13:24] | hti_pro: | I have old computers. |
| [04:13:25] | kormoc: | hti_pro, but... raid... |
| [04:13:25] | SlicerDicer: | whats wrong with the compiling? |
| [04:13:27] | SlicerDicer: | run it at night? |
| [04:13:34] | fryfrog: | ubuntu, i just throw it on and sudo aptitude full-upgrade every few days |
| [04:13:36] | SlicerDicer: | hti_pro: build packages? |
| [04:13:42] | SlicerDicer: | I mean there is tons of stuff you can do |
| [04:13:58] | fryfrog: | nothings wrong with compiling, but getting a gentoo system up takes a few hours to overnight, depending |
| [04:14:04] | kormoc: | I'm running the same gentoo install that started on a p4 1.9 ghz, moved to a p4 2.4 ghz, then to a pentium-d 820 and then to a core 2 duo |
| [04:14:05] | hti_pro: | i honestly didn't have a lot of time to spend at the time, I needed something quick. |
| [04:14:12] | fryfrog: | getting ubuntu (or what ever) going on anything is 20~ min |
| [04:14:34] | fryfrog: | i still <3 gentoo though |
| [04:14:51] | fryfrog: | i think i started when it was still called like "1.2" instead of the year/?? naming now |
| [04:14:54] | fryfrog: | 2007.1 or what ever |
| [04:14:57] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: yeah gentoo is the only system I could actually keep stable :/ something breaks on say ubuntu I dont have half a clue how to fix it :/ |
| [04:15:03] | SlicerDicer: | maybe I am retarted or brainblocked |
| [04:15:16] | SlicerDicer: | but I know when I ran gentoo I could fry anything and fix it usually |
| [04:15:25] | hti_pro: | i got use to it, so i guess i got good with fixing things like that |
| [04:15:39] | fryfrog: | i think gentoo helped me learn linux better, for sure |
| [04:15:54] | hti_pro: | i considered it a learning experience |
| [04:16:08] | hti_pro: | as i did with gentoo |
| [04:16:46] | hti_pro: | i must say that setting up gentoo gave me much more satisfaction than any other distro |
| [04:16:54] | SlicerDicer: | http://funroll-loops.info/ always loved that |
| [04:17:00] | hti_pro: | and I put redhat on a level not far above microsoft |
| [04:17:25] | fryfrog: | i much prefer ubuntu over RH, but i setup a CentOS web server for a friend the other day and it wasn't *horrible* |
| [04:17:30] | hti_pro: | but still above |
| [04:17:32] | hti_pro: | for sure |
| [04:17:37] | fryfrog: | and I got to play with ISPConfig, which is actually pretty spiffy |
| [04:18:00] | hti_pro: | i swear by debian, not ubuntu, but pure debian |
| [04:18:02] | hti_pro: | for servers |
| [04:18:12] | fryfrog: | i've not used ubuntu on a "real" server yet |
| [04:18:22] | fryfrog: | they *do* have ubuntu-server version, which i played with a bit |
| [04:18:32] | hti_pro: | i wouldnt use ubuntu on a real server |
| [04:18:37] | fryfrog: | all the linux servers i deal with are fedora/rhel/centos |
| [04:18:49] | hti_pro: | i am weriously considering moveing from ubuntu to a pure debian |
| [04:19:09] | fryfrog: | for your main system? |
| [04:19:24] | fryfrog: | debian is okay and all, but... mainly if you like being ~2 years behind :p |
| [04:19:30] | hti_pro: | for all systems, workstation, server, the whole nine |
| [04:19:45] | fryfrog: | i couldn't do it, debian stable would drive me nuts |
| [04:19:45] | hti_pro: | I agree, but always very stable |
| [04:19:56] | fryfrog: | and debian *unstable* is virtually ubuntu, so why not use that |
| [04:20:09] | hti_pro: | for that exact reason |
| [04:20:10] | fryfrog: | sure, but i *like* using my distro to manage stuff |
| [04:20:12] | nevyn: | some de |
| [04:20:23] | nevyn: | some do use debian unstable for workstations like me. |
| [04:20:27] | fryfrog: | and if most of the things i deal with are 2 years old, that'd suck |
| [04:20:50] | fryfrog: | mythtv really needs (i think) a system with up to day libraries for firewire, things like that |
| [04:21:11] | hti_pro: | I know debian is ahead of ubuntu as far as mythtv |
| [04:21:12] | fryfrog: | but for say, a web/mysql/php server, maybe it isn't so bad :) |
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| [04:21:20] | hti_pro: | in te stable versions of each anyway |
| [04:21:24] | fryfrog: | debian *stable* has 0.21? |
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| [04:21:38] | hti_pro: | and ubuntu stable...gutsy... has 0.20 |
| [04:21:45] | fryfrog: | ubuntu stable is 0.21, and herdy comes out this month and will have 0.21 |
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| [04:22:03] | Aval0n: | i run hardy |
| [04:22:04] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [04:22:11] | Aval0n: | and 21-fixes |
| [04:22:11] | fryfrog: | how is it? |
| [04:22:11] | Aval0n: | heheh |
| [04:22:16] | Aval0n: | to be honest |
| [04:22:19] | hti_pro: | until i just added gutsy backports i was stuck with 0.20 |
| [04:22:21] | Aval0n: | it's pretty good |
| [04:22:31] | Aval0n: | but gnome/compiz had a few little issues |
| [04:22:39] | hti_pro: | I do have an ubuntu hardy system and i love it |
| [04:22:42] | Aval0n: | dpkg doesn't config video drivers anymore |
| [04:22:48] | Aval0n: | you have to manually edit the xorg |
| [04:22:48] | fryfrog: | i'll dist-upgrade when it comes out, i did that on gutsy during RC and found a kernel bug :/ |
| [04:22:50] | Aval0n: | kind of odd |
| [04:22:58] | Aval0n: | don't dist-upgrade |
| [04:23:00] | fryfrog: | Aval0n: huh? seriously? |
| [04:23:02] | Aval0n: | you might break it |
| [04:23:04] | hti_pro: | i don't use compiz, as I have slightly older systems, and i am a resource nut |
| [04:23:07] | Aval0n: | do update-manager -d |
| [04:23:08] | fryfrog: | Aval0n: what did you do, clean re-install? |
| [04:23:11] | Aval0n: | no |
| [04:23:15] | Aval0n: | update-manager -d -c |
| [04:23:16] | fryfrog: | Aval0n: ah, yeah, sorry that is what i meant |
| [04:23:30] | fryfrog: | i just call it dist-upgrade from habbit :) |
| [04:23:35] | Aval0n: | i know it's major tabu in here but I like running compiz + mythtv |
| [04:23:41] | Aval0n: | so when it fires up it loads mythtv like always |
| [04:23:49] | Aval0n: | but my wife can flip over and surf the web |
| [04:23:59] | Aval0n: | <Shrug> works well for her ;) |
| [04:24:08] | hti_pro: | compiz slows my system down like craxy |
| [04:24:13] | hti_pro: | ..carzy |
| [04:24:17] | Aval0n: | lol |
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| [04:24:24] | hti_pro: | ..you know whta i mean |
| [04:24:27] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [04:24:28] | Aval0n: | whta |
| [04:24:33] | hti_pro: | ..dmanit:( |
| [04:24:36] | Aval0n: | lol!!! |
| [04:24:42] | hti_pro: | im just gonna stop |
| [04:24:46] | Aval0n: | haha |
| [04:24:49] | Aval0n: | awesome |
| [04:25:29] | hti_pro: | <---eating and typing |
| [04:25:46] | Aval0n: | more like smoking and typing |
| [04:25:47] | Aval0n: | ;) |
| [04:25:57] | hti_pro: | god do i wish |
| [04:26:08] | Aval0n: | fryfrog: the only problem with dist-upgrade/update-manager |
| [04:26:13] | Aval0n: | you install stuff |
| [04:26:16] | hti_pro: | munchies would be wonderful right now |
| [04:26:19] | Aval0n: | and the old can remain |
| [04:26:22] | Aval0n: | so you lose hd space |
| [04:26:35] | Aval0n: | and sifting through all the stuff to delete it can be a chore |
| [04:27:28] | fryfrog: | you mean it keeps the old *and* the new? |
| [04:27:42] | fryfrog: | or are you talking about stuff that you maybe didn't install with aptitude / apt? |
| [04:27:49] | Aval0n: | I have a feeling it doesn't un-install everything |
| [04:28:04] | Aval0n: | i could be crazy though |
| [04:28:10] | fryfrog: | there are a few options to aptitude to do some clean up |
| [04:28:16] | Aval0n: | yeha |
| [04:28:20] | Aval0n: | autoremove and etc... |
| [04:28:52] | hti_pro: | so any ideas on the mysql mythtv password thing |
| [04:29:06] | kormoc: | hti_pro, might be able to do it with mysqladmin |
| [04:29:11] | kormoc: | at least, reset it |
| [04:29:21] | hti_pro: | im not real good with mysql queries |
| [04:29:34] | kormoc: | it's not a query, it's a cli app |
| [04:29:49] | hti_pro: | any idea what the format would be, I tried reading the mysql manual and fell asleep |
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| [04:31:59] | kormoc: | hti_pro, not offhand, but google might |
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| [04:48:37] | Xentac: | I'm reading over some of the docs now, but I have a backend running 0.20 and a couple of frontends (xandros, arch, xbox)... if I upgrade my backend to 0.21 will the 0.20 clients still work? |
| [04:48:59] | kormoc: | Xentac, no |
| [04:49:33] | Xentac: | awww... |
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| [04:51:20] | sentinel23: | damn – i restarted my box and now it doesn't think there are any upcoming recordings |
| [04:51:32] | kormoc: | give it time to reschedule? |
| [04:52:34] | sentinel23: | worth a shot... i tried 'mythbackend --resched' |
| [04:53:10] | sentinel23: | i've been repairing and optimizing my db, but that didn' |
| [04:53:12] | sentinel23: | t help |
| [04:53:25] | sentinel23: | maybe all it needs is time... :/ |
| [04:54:11] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: when I boot the machine |
| [04:54:15] | SlicerDicer: | it gives grub error 17 |
| [04:54:15] | Aval0n: | does xvmc work with HDTV? |
| [04:54:27] | kormoc: | it can |
| [04:54:27] | SlicerDicer: | I am wondering if grub is not seeing md1? |
| [04:54:38] | Aval0n: | do you still get a lame greyscale OSD? |
| [04:54:42] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, what's md1? |
| [04:55:23] | fryfrog: | SlicerDicer: grub *can't* see md1 |
| [04:55:27] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, meaning is it a raid 1 or raid 5? |
| [04:55:33] | fryfrog: | you need to point it at the real device, sda/sdb |
| [04:55:48] | Aval0n: | if you use xvmc with HD do you get a greyscale OSD? |
| [04:55:54] | Aval0n: | I think that is what happened in the past.. |
| [04:55:55] | kormoc: | Aval0n, depends on the card |
| [04:56:03] | Aval0n: | i have a 7300gs |
| [04:56:11] | kormoc: | Aval0n, then yes, you will |
| [04:56:11] | SlicerDicer: | raid1 kormoc |
| [04:56:15] | Aval0n: | bummer |
| [04:56:22] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, so yeah, point it at a single drive |
| [04:56:32] | SlicerDicer: | errrm |
| [04:56:37] | SlicerDicer: | shit... |
| [04:58:08] | Aval0n: | kormoc: is it the older cards that won't get the greyscale image? |
| [04:58:14] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [04:58:25] | Aval0n: | bummer |
| [04:58:27] | Aval0n: | ;) |
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| [05:02:13] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: I tried pointing it to single drive... |
| [05:02:18] | SlicerDicer: | I cant use tab completion in grub either |
| [05:02:21] | SlicerDicer: | its being annoying |
| [05:04:08] | SlicerDicer: | I must not be esplaining very well |
| [05:04:21] | SlicerDicer: | explaining rather :/ |
| [05:04:40] | SlicerDicer: | I tried booting from one of the drives in the raid1 |
| [05:04:54] | Aval0n: | anyone know a way from cli to get tempature of gfx card gpu |
| [05:04:55] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [05:05:00] | SlicerDicer: | /dev/hdd2 and same error |
| [05:06:12] | fryfrog: | you need to use format like "hd(0,0)" or "hd(1,0)" |
| [05:06:36] | SlicerDicer: | crap... |
| [05:06:44] | fryfrog: | er, partitions may start at 1 |
| [05:06:48] | fryfrog: | lemme look at my grub.conf :) |
| [05:07:05] | fryfrog: | no, they start at 0 |
| [05:07:12] | fryfrog: | they map just fine to sdXz |
| [05:07:35] | fryfrog: | so sda1 is hd(0,0) and sdd1 would be hd(3,0) generally |
| [05:07:36] | SlicerDicer: | fryfrog: I am retarted |
| [05:07:39] | SlicerDicer: | ignore me plz |
| [05:07:47] | fryfrog: | what was the *real* problem? :) |
| [05:07:48] | SlicerDicer: | 0,0 durrrhurrhurr it worked :/ |
| [05:07:53] | SlicerDicer: | it was 1,0 |
| [05:08:00] | SlicerDicer: | damebramage |
| [05:08:16] | fryfrog: | ah, yeah grub starting at 0 and sda starting at "1" is annoying :) |
| [05:08:26] | fryfrog: | and partition 1 is 0 in grub |
| [05:08:39] | fryfrog: | 1,0 shoudl have worked if your mirror was unbroken? |
| [05:08:46] | fryfrog: | or is that what your problem is, failed drive? |
| [05:10:34] | SlicerDicer: | nah everythings good |
| [05:10:38] | SlicerDicer: | I just need to modify the grubconf |
| [05:12:52] | SlicerDicer: | although somethings are wonky |
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| [05:14:16] | Aval0n: | shit |
| [05:14:16] | Aval0n: | => GPU temperature: 95C |
| [05:16:04] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [05:16:10] | SlicerDicer: | mine does 123c quite often |
| [05:16:14] | SlicerDicer: | dont worry it will melt soon |
| [05:21:41] | Aval0n: | haha |
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| [05:25:34] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: argh.. crap on my FS is scrambled :/ |
| [05:25:49] | kormoc: | the night of the crashed raid arrays? |
| [05:25:55] | kormoc: | swap to the second drive? |
| [05:26:30] | SlicerDicer: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 35 2007-11–22 12:18 /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0 -> /usr/local/lij/lijmythtv-0.20.so.0 |
| [05:26:37] | SlicerDicer: | crap like that |
| [05:26:50] | SlicerDicer: | mounting the FS readonly |
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| [05:27:19] | SlicerDicer: | I cant modify any files on my raid1 |
| [05:27:25] | kormoc: | sounds like one of your mirrors is bad |
| [05:27:36] | SlicerDicer: | how do I fix it? |
| [05:28:06] | kormoc: | drop the bad one out of the array |
| [05:28:14] | SlicerDicer: | is there a way to tell what one is bad? |
| [05:28:28] | kormoc: | not without mounting each one individually and checking by hand |
| [05:28:32] | SlicerDicer: | alright |
| [05:28:40] | SlicerDicer: | I can do that in livecd :) |
| [05:37:07] | SlicerDicer: | both are hosed kormoc :/ |
| [05:37:14] | kormoc: | :/ |
| [05:37:39] | SlicerDicer: | is there any easy way to fix this? |
| [05:38:17] | kormoc: | not really |
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| [05:38:27] | kormoc: | fsck should fix it as much as is easily done |
| [05:38:33] | Aval0n: | uhg |
| [05:38:39] | Aval0n: | myth gets so fucked up anytime I delete something |
| [05:38:41] | Aval0n: | grr |
| [05:38:46] | Aval0n: | even with slow deletes on |
| [05:38:48] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc yeah :/ |
| [05:40:22] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc I am getting superblock errors :/ |
| [05:40:27] | SlicerDicer: | when trying to assemble :/ |
| [05:40:41] | kormoc: | :/ |
| [05:40:50] | SlicerDicer: | could that be why? |
| [05:42:32] | SlicerDicer: | got the mirror to build finally.. |
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| [05:52:07] | SlicerDicer: | odd kormoc |
| [05:52:18] | SlicerDicer: | only seems mythtv files are horked? |
| [05:52:34] | SlicerDicer: | I did some massive ls -aol's and only found mythtv stuff to be messed |
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| [06:00:09] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, strange |
| [06:00:53] | SlicerDicer: | well my db is fried too it seems |
| [06:00:58] | SlicerDicer: | maybe its in lost+found? |
| [06:01:15] | kormoc: | perhaps |
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| [06:02:14] | SlicerDicer: | if the database is fried.. am I able to generate infos based off the recordings directory? |
| [06:02:30] | kormoc: | there's a contrib script that attempts to do that, aye |
| [06:02:35] | SlicerDicer: | ok |
| [06:02:44] | kormoc: | but it needs listings data from when they were recorded iirc |
| [06:02:52] | SlicerDicer: | shit... |
| [06:03:17] | SlicerDicer: | I think its there |
| [06:03:50] | SlicerDicer: | /lost+found#50938/mysql-bin.index |
| [06:03:51] | SlicerDicer: | :) |
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| [06:14:34] | fryfrog: | does anyone have a "mobile" browser device they'd be wiling to give a web site a test go on? |
| [06:16:32] | fryfrog: | if you could hit up http://beta.fryfrog.com in a mobile browser and tell me if you see "Version: Full | Mobile" and can follow them back and forth, I'd appreciate it. Also, if you loaded it in a real browser, you shouldn't see it. |
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| [06:31:46] | tank-man: | i dont see full|mobile |
| [06:34:38] | MavT: | in a 'real' browser I get a (presumably your) blog page |
| [06:36:06] | MavT: | in a mobile browser I get full/mobile |
| [06:36:16] | MavT: | mobile seemingly being the default |
| [06:37:04] | MavT: | and back forth seems to work |
| [06:38:07] | ** MavT forwards an invoice for testing, to fryfrog for '1 miiiilion dollars </austin powers>' ** | |
| [06:39:16] | kormoc_: | my rates are much more reasonable, $50/hr, min billing of 200,000 hours |
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| [06:43:47] | Hoxzer: | Hmmm, I'm getting some serious segfaults when ever I try to access somewhere that requires |
| [06:43:54] | Hoxzer: | ... mysql. :¿ |
| [06:44:13] | Hoxzer: | mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.51a, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.2 |
| [06:45:11] | MavT: | kormoc: you take personal cheques !? ;) |
| [06:45:25] | kormoc: | Sure! |
| [06:45:33] | Hoxzer: | DB seems to look fine. Is there some kind script/software to scan for errors in db ? |
| [06:46:37] | Hoxzer: | it is only the mythfrontend what crashes. Mythweb works fine and so does backend |
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| [06:48:49] | MavT: | /mythtv/contrib/maintenance/optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [06:48:58] | ** Hoxzer checks it out ** | |
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| [06:59:01] | fryfrog: | tank-man: were you using a mobile browser or real? |
| [06:59:02] | Hoxzer: | :( |
| [06:59:07] | fryfrog: | MavT: thanks for looking :) |
| [06:59:23] | tank-man: | mobile |
| [06:59:27] | tank-man: | on my nokia n800 |
| [06:59:51] | fryfrog: | http://alexking.org/who.php |
| [06:59:57] | fryfrog: | can you tell me what that shows you? |
| [07:00:04] | fryfrog: | maybe pastebin it, i think it is 3 lines |
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| [07:02:10] | Hoxzer: | Yes |
| [07:02:49] | fryfrog: | Hoxzer: anything useful from something like "mythfrontend -v important" or something else from "-v help"? |
| [07:03:24] | tank-man: | Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; en-GB; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20071128 Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet browser 0.2.2 RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51–3 |
| [07:03:29] | tank-man: | i typed that by hand |
| [07:03:33] | tank-man: | lol |
| [07:03:36] | fryfrog: | ahha |
| [07:03:41] | Hoxzer: | fryfrog: nope, But I recheck anyways |
| [07:04:05] | fryfrog: | tank-man: i don't think i could show you the mobile version w/o making all browsers show it |
| [07:04:08] | Hoxzer: | debug according to docs. If remember right should print out everything + backtrace |
| [07:04:11] | fryfrog: | that just looks like firefox |
| [07:05:20] | Hoxzer: | fryfrog: nope. nothing |
| [07:05:44] | Hoxzer: | I did ran that optimize script but it didn't help O_o |
| [07:05:57] | fryfrog: | Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080311 Firefox/2.0.0.13 |
| [07:06:02] | fryfrog: | Hoxzer: when/how does it crash |
| [07:06:15] | fryfrog: | ^^ that is from firefox on osx, they look *pretty* similar |
| [07:06:34] | Hoxzer: | fryfrog: for example when I go to watch recordings. It shows the menu for a 0.1s then segfault |
| [07:06:45] | Hoxzer: | fryfrog: no recordings are shown |
| [07:06:50] | fryfrog: | what version are you using? |
| [07:07:10] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.com/m17fb6cca |
| [07:07:19] | Hoxzer: | fryfrog: 0.21 |
| [07:08:27] | fryfrog: | Browser: Opera/9.50 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.0.10406/298; U; en) |
| [07:08:32] | fryfrog: | is what i see on my blackberry |
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| [07:09:15] | fryfrog: | lets see what heppens when i throw in "tablet" maybe |
| [07:10:02] | fryfrog: | tank-man: if you don't mind, could you give it a shift-refresh or what ever? |
| [07:10:24] | tank-man: | yea its different |
| [07:10:38] | fryfrog: | as in, very simple? |
| [07:10:43] | tank-man: | white background, simple layout |
| [07:10:48] | fryfrog: | is that *better* on the device you are using? |
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| [07:10:56] | fryfrog: | also, you see a "Version: Full | Mobile" right? |
| [07:11:02] | fryfrog: | (and can flip between them) |
| [07:11:10] | tank-man: | it was viewable before, this one looks optimized for small screen |
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| [07:11:22] | fryfrog: | yeah, for sure, cell phone sized screen |
| [07:11:30] | fryfrog: | that nokia is a lot bigger though, no? |
| [07:11:45] | tank-man: | yea, screen is 800xSomething |
| [07:11:53] | fryfrog: | or is it maybe not so big that having a simple, small version is better? |
| [07:12:17] | fryfrog: | not sure if i phrased that in a way that is easily read or answered ) |
| [07:12:21] | tank-man: | i can switch to full view but once im there i dont know where the mobile view link is |
| [07:12:31] | fryfrog: | so maybe: do you prefer small version, able to switch to full? |
| [07:12:37] | fryfrog: | it should be *right* at the top |
| [07:12:39] | fryfrog: | oh, duh |
| [07:12:44] | fryfrog: | i forgot it in another place |
| [07:13:10] | fryfrog: | refresh |
| [07:14:58] | tank-man: | blank page now |
| [07:15:43] | fryfrog: | yueah, sorry i totally broke it for a sec :) |
| [07:16:02] | tank-man: | yea, works now |
| [07:17:39] | fryfrog: | okay, no more stupid code duplication *and* no more blank pages :) |
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| [07:47:41] | justinh: | oh dear. some guy has been trying to use the screen setup wizard & expects it to make his whole desktop fit the screen |
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| [07:59:47] | clever: | xvidtune could be used for that |
| [08:00:17] | Dibblah: | Yes, but at the moment, Myth cannot blow up your monitor. |
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| [08:10:01] | justinh: | xvidtune can't blow up your monitor either |
| [08:10:17] | justinh: | not if it's less than 20 years old anyway |
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| [08:19:38] | clever: | yeah |
| [08:19:49] | clever: | invalid freq's could toast a old beast |
| [08:20:06] | clever: | but if its an actual monitor it should have the proper controls on it |
| [08:28:52] | justinh: | pity they don't actually explode & kill the noob using em |
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| [10:15:44] | godsyn: | Help: mythweb: when visiting localhost/video I am presented with a simple page containing 'Could not find a value in the database for the MythVideo directory for this hostname (synserv). Please update your <a href="/settings/mythweb">settings</a> to point to the correct location'. Resolve? I've checked settings/mythweb for something that may look like it pertains to "MythVideo" but am unable to make the message go away. |
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| [10:26:46] | godsyn: | Help: mythweb: when visiting localhost/video I am presented with a simple page containing 'Could not find a value in the database for the MythVideo directory for this hostname (synserv). Please update your <a href="/settings/mythweb">settings</a> to point to the correct location'. Resolve? I've checked settings/mythweb for something that may look like it pertains to "MythVideo" but am unable to find the field it requires. |
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| [11:27:33] | KaZeR: | hey guys. in mythweb, when i watch the detail of a recording, i have the category field, and under i have Type : Unknow (insert some value here) |
| [11:27:37] | KaZeR: | what is this field about? |
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| [12:03:42] | directhex|bsp: | hm, 40" 1080p sony for <£700 |
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| [12:30:39] | Raspberry: | I wonder when SchedulesDirect will update correctly for the Hockey Playoff Schedule |
| [12:30:59] | Raspberry: | my Mythbox isn't recording my hockey correctly because it's not in the schedule |
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| [12:39:59] | GreyFoxx: | Raspberry: Have you reported it to them? |
| [12:40:08] | Aval0n: | anyone know a program that will convert flac to mp3 that's freE? |
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| [12:45:23] | Raspberry: | GreyFoxx: I just did |
| [12:45:28] | Raspberry: | via the forums |
| [12:45:33] | Raspberry: | I'll see if it's a known issue first |
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| [12:48:14] | GreyFoxx: | Raspberry: One option, and likely better is to login to your account on www.schedulesdirect.org and use the "lineup support" link |
| [12:49:03] | Hoxzer: | :O |
| [12:49:06] | Hoxzer: | Kirjakauppaan |
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| [13:01:42] | Raspberry: | k |
| [13:02:46] | Raspberry: | GreyFoxx: thx |
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| [13:54:09] | user1: | iam using tv card Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast De coder (rev 01) . i cant make it work. any help? |
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| [14:15:53] | ajh: | after sitting on pause last night, it played about a second then froze up with the NVP Prebuffer error, how do I recover from this without restarting? It happens a lot. |
| [14:17:01] | user1: | iam using Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast De coder (rev 01) . i cant make it work. any help? |
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| [14:20:58] | ajh: | 2008-04–11 10:14:23.059 NVP: prebuffering pause |
| [14:20:58] | ajh: | 2008-04–11 10:14:23.091 WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [14:20:58] | ajh: | 2008-04–11 10:14:24.211 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. |
| [14:21:13] | ajh: | followed by endless Prebuffer wait timed out lines |
| [14:21:21] | tcpsyn: | yeah. |
| [14:21:26] | tcpsyn: | I've seen that a million times. |
| [14:21:27] | tcpsyn: | annoying |
| [14:21:28] | ajh: | and it won't accept any keyboard input |
| [14:21:40] | ajh: | not just annoying, it's a showstopper class bug |
| [14:21:49] | tcpsyn: | it's not really a bug. |
| [14:21:53] | tcpsyn: | more of a misconfiguration |
| [14:22:00] | ajh: | what did I do wrong? |
| [14:22:47] | tcpsyn: | NVP: prebuffering pause |
| [14:23:42] | tcpsyn: | I ran into this when I was trying out different decoders |
| [14:23:59] | tcpsyn: | Some moreso than others |
| [14:24:17] | ajh: | Do you mean de-interlacers? |
| [14:24:19] | tcpsyn: | I just messed with the decoders/interlacers |
| [14:24:46] | tcpsyn: | XvMC vs ffmpeg with Bob vs Kernel |
| [14:24:46] | tcpsyn: | etc |
| [14:24:59] | ajh: | Well, I'm doing 720p and 1080i on a 7600GT if you have any suggestions. I'm using the 'normal' one. |
| [14:25:07] | tcpsyn: | nvidia? |
| [14:25:11] | ajh: | XvMC caused other issues I think. Yes. |
| [14:25:13] | tcpsyn: | yea |
| [14:25:44] | tcpsyn: | I ended up using normal too.. see if XvMC with Bob works, or throws a different error. |
| [14:26:02] | tcpsyn: | do you get it with standard ntsc content? |
| [14:26:14] | ajh: | not sure |
| [14:26:36] | tcpsyn: | cpu throttling |
| [14:26:43] | ajh: | using XVideo |
| [14:26:52] | tcpsyn: | try opengl |
| [14:27:05] | ajh: | lots of CPU left, only running at a load of 1.2 on a duo. |
| [14:27:34] | ajh: | I'll try others again though, see what happens. |
| [14:27:44] | tcpsyn: | but do you have dynamic cpu throttling enabled.. |
| [14:28:00] | ajh: | I haven't seen a setting like that, where woudl it be? |
| [14:28:17] | ajh: | ok, wierd.. the frontend won't start, stopping right after new db connection |
| [14:29:41] | tcpsyn: | that's no good |
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| [14:29:46] | ajh: | looks like something got wedged hard. |
| [14:29:53] | ajh: | reboot time. |
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| [14:30:11] | tcpsyn: | I tried various things, cpu throttling, different versions of the nvidia driver, different decoders, interlacers, cpu schedulers. |
| [14:30:17] | tcpsyn: | I'm not sure exactly what fixed it |
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| [14:30:19] | tcpsyn: | but something did |
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| [14:36:12] | afxlex: | how can i enlarge the font size in xterm |
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| [14:38:50] | ajh_: | Odd though, wouldn't a better response to lacking cpu on a frame be to drop it and the next one and then continue? |
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| [14:44:26] | PatrickDK: | heh, how sad I feel for ajh |
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| [14:45:31] | ajh: | looks like it was caused by the backend going away. |
| [14:46:08] | PatrickDK: | you can't drop frames from lack of cpu with compression we have been using for the last 10years and more |
| [14:46:11] | PatrickDK: | cause the next frame depends on the last frame |
| [14:46:25] | PatrickDK: | atleast till you get to the next I frame |
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| [14:46:38] | PatrickDK: | and that could be up to 3min away |
| [14:47:54] | ajh: | ah, ok. |
| [14:48:26] | ajh: | Somehow overnight things went insane here, now getting unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION |
| [14:48:59] | PatrickDK: | did one of your systems get upgraded? |
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| [14:49:59] | ajh: | I'm thinking something weird happened, that's what I'm looking at now. |
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| [14:50:43] | clever: | ajh: i also get that error for timeouts |
| [14:50:58] | clever: | where it gets no reply at all but still claims it got an unexpected one |
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| [14:55:12] | ajh: | funky, it came up, said connection to backend went away, then worked. |
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| [14:56:17] | ** ajh just wanders around a bit looking confused. ** | |
| [14:56:45] | hti_pro: | when i scan for channels I get T1-T14 no signal, what are these channels |
| [14:59:22] | hti_pro: | anyone? |
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| [15:09:37] | armbar: | hello |
| [15:10:00] | armbar: | I see this in my backend log |
| [15:10:04] | armbar: | QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'DBManager0' is still in use, all queries will cease to work. |
| [15:10:06] | armbar: | QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'DBManager1' is still in use, all queries will cease to work. |
| [15:10:37] | hti_pro: | anyone on the T1-T14 channels thing |
| [15:10:38] | armbar: | not sure if it is something to be concerned about... this is on svn trunk |
| [15:13:30] | hti_pro: | sounds like something to be concerned with, wish i could help |
| [15:15:36] | ajh: | ok, switching to cpu+ with a couple tweaks dropped cpu use a whole lot and seems to be stable so far. |
| [15:15:57] | ajh: | a test routine to run through a series of profiles might be a cool thing to add. :) |
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| [15:17:34] | ajh: | lcdproc seems to really need someone to profile it, man does it waste cycles. |
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| [15:18:29] | ajh: | but, still going from 1.4 to .4 playing SD mpeg is nice, thanks. |
| [15:19:16] | ajh: | actually as low as .25 now, this should help :) |
| [15:19:52] | godsyn: | Please assist : Unable to transcode : Transcode (Errored: Thu Apr 10, 2008, 09:19 PM) exit status 255, job status was "Errored" | All transcoding attempts result in this. |
| [15:20:17] | iamlindoro__: | hti_pro, You can answer your own question by googling "Cable TV Channel Frequencies..." T Band channels are part of the standard... |
| [15:22:27] | clever: | godsyn: svn trunk? |
| [15:22:33] | hti_pro: | oh, ok thought it might be something wrong with my card, thanks for the insight |
| [15:22:51] | iamlindoro__: | hti_pro, Nope, no harm, an usually unused |
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| [15:23:02] | iamlindoro__: | er and |
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| [15:23:20] | natoka: | re |
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| [15:24:03] | hti_pro: | can I get a listings provider for radio. at least channels |
| [15:24:28] | godsyn: | syn@synserv:~$ mythbackend --version | MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes |
| [15:25:27] | natoka: | ^^ quite the right version to run |
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| [15:27:26] | godsyn: | I've googled around and found one other person with the issue, but no resolution mentioned. ( http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7520 ) |
| [15:27:39] | natoka: | ? what issue |
| [15:28:27] | natoka: | if you refer to error 255, i suggest you setup transcoding properly |
| [15:29:28] | hti_pro: | to convert a master backend to a slave backend, do I just change the ip of the master backend in myttv-setup and insert proper credentials?? |
| [15:29:47] | natoka: | because if you just pick the defaults, they can error out with 255 ... |
| [15:30:00] | Aval0n-: | anyone know a free flac to mp3 converter? |
| [15:30:16] | natoka: | hti_pro: you will need to switch the database too |
| [15:30:41] | natoka: | what's flac? |
| [15:30:53] | hti_pro: | right, thats what i meant by the credentials, but i guess there are ips for database and backend huh.. But there are no other settings i need to change |
| [15:31:43] | godsyn: | Aval0n : http://tuxspot.blogspot.com/2005/08/converting-flac-to-mp3.html |
| [15:31:52] | natoka: | hti_pro: mysql settings are stored in mysql.txt |
| [15:32:06] | hti_pro: | thats right, thank you, I would have forgot |
| [15:32:39] | ajh: | does mythmusic need filesystem access to the music on the front-end only? |
| [15:33:39] | hti_pro: | yes, each frontend wanting to access music must have the filesystem mounted locally |
| [15:33:45] | hti_pro: | in my experience anyways |
| [15:34:00] | hti_pro: | please correct me if i am wrong |
| [15:35:30] | hti_pro: | and i think you must scan for music on each frontend. I don't think this is something that is tracked by the database, at least not shared among frontends |
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| [15:37:18] | ajh: | ok, thanks. |
| [15:37:48] | ajh: | hopefully someone's working on fixing it up? perhaps port over songbird with a myth ui? :) |
| [15:38:19] | hti_pro: | I wish this was something that could stream music just like it does tv, that would make it a helluva lot easier |
| [15:38:23] | hti_pro: | and convenient |
| [15:38:26] | ajh: | always thought it might be cool to do a frontend ui for this kind of thing using XUL. |
| [15:38:42] | ajh: | I bet that's how it'll end up, just too many things to work on right now. |
| [15:38:53] | ajh: | Being able to find itunes shares would be even nicer. |
| [15:39:16] | ajh: | It all takes time though. |
| [15:39:19] | hti_pro: | your probably right, i think you can, I am pretty sure there is a plugin |
| [15:39:24] | hti_pro: | for itunes |
| [15:39:46] | hti_pro: | I am watching tv on my backend/frontend and my CPU usage is outrageous. 65% for Xorg, and 30% for mythfrontend |
| [15:39:48] | hti_pro: | is this normal |
| [15:40:28] | godsyn: | syn@synserv:~$ mythbackend --version | MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes ; can I get some guidance other than "do it right"? I'm not asking to be spoon fed, just a point in the right direction as to how to troubleshoot the issue. Nothing is in the logs. |
| [15:40:30] | hti_pro: | the program guide is pretty much unuseable, about 20seconds before button press takes effect |
| [15:41:04] | hti_pro: | what is the issue godsyn |
| [15:41:38] | ajh: | hti, I was getting that with Normal, but going to Cpu+ helped. |
| [15:42:15] | godsyn: | all transcoding attempts result in 'Unable to transcode : Transcode (Errored: Thu Apr 10, 2008, 09:19 PM) exit status 255, job status was "Errored"' |
| [15:42:16] | hti_pro: | what is that? |
| [15:42:34] | ajh: | also make sure compiz isn't running |
| [15:42:40] | hti_pro: | what codec are you using for transcoding |
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| [15:42:52] | godsyn: | It was suggested I setup transcoding iptions, but do not know where to. |
| [15:42:57] | godsyn: | See :) |
| [15:43:20] | hti_pro: | hang on, i can't remember where either |
| [15:43:59] | ajh: | a little off-topic, but anyone know offhand if Ubuntu moved /etc/exports somewhere else or if I just have to write one from scratch? |
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| [15:44:34] | hti_pro: | write one from scratch, I don't think that is something ubuntu can just move, that should be specific to the version of nfs |
| [15:44:53] | natoka: | godsyn: mythfrontend – Utilities/Setup -Setup – TV Settings – Recording Profiles |
| [15:44:55] | ajh: | yeah, it's odd they don't provide a template. |
| [15:45:03] | hti_pro: | and I don't see nfs moving it as i believe that is a posix standard, although nfs on linux isnt' exactly posix standard |
| [15:45:14] | hti_pro: | actually i've run into that alot |
| [15:45:27] | ajh: | Hmm, wonder where v4 is now. |
| [15:45:55] | hti_pro: | you do have the nfs-kernel-server package right |
| [15:46:12] | godsyn: | nat : this is purely a backend box, with mythweb. Will I need to setup this on a remote frontend? Will the settings transfer to the master? |
| [15:46:24] | ajh: | ok, I need more coffee. :) Too used to Redhat. |
| [15:46:30] | SlicerDicer: | anybody have any idea why I would not have video during HD playback but SD playback is fine? |
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| [15:46:45] | godsyn: | Or do I have to install / uninstall the frontend :( |
| [15:46:54] | ajh: | I probably should have used the server OS install too, taking all this desktop stuff off is a pain with myth. |
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| [15:47:15] | natoka: | godsyn: they will |
| [15:47:17] | ajh: | whoever builds the packages really needs to remove the dependancies on myth-backend. |
| [15:47:34] | godsyn: | woot! thank you. afk a few, heading to the living-room. |
| [15:48:48] | ajh: | AFD Error: Could not open codec 0x29c0060, id(MPEG2VIDEO_XVMC) type(Video) aborting. reason -1 |
| [15:48:56] | ajh: | any idea on what I need to do to fix that? |
| [15:49:50] | natoka: | hmm, could be an incompatible codec for your xvmc lib |
| [15:50:29] | ajh: | well, yes that's what I'm assuming, but not sure how to fix it |
| [15:50:30] | natoka: | probably try an other mpeg2 file |
| [15:50:37] | hti_pro: | godsyn: sorry having issues with my own setup I'm not sure where the transcoding setings are |
| [15:50:59] | hti_pro: | ajh: what is this CPU+ you speak of |
| [15:51:40] | ajh: | hit_pro, in playback |
| [15:51:54] | ajh: | hrm, yeah every HD show causes it, since that's where it's trying to use XvMC |
| [15:52:25] | natoka: | ajh: what kind of gfx card are yoou using? |
| [15:52:52] | ajh: | Nividia |
| [15:53:04] | ajh: | libxvmc1 is missing, is that needed? |
| [15:53:16] | natoka: | ok, then xvmc itself should not be a problem |
| [15:53:33] | ajh: | oh, no it's installed... hrm |
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| [15:54:50] | ajh: | google is no help :( |
| [15:55:11] | iamlindoro__: | ajh, unless you have a damn good reason for using XvMC, it should be avoided like the plague |
| [15:56:35] | ajh: | found it. |
| [15:56:47] | ajh: | didn't like having cpus set to 2. |
| [15:56:48] | fnc1: | why should xvmc be avoided?? |
| [15:56:58] | PatrickDK: | xvmc is evil |
| [15:57:08] | PatrickDK: | xvmc is inflexable |
| [15:57:31] | hti_pro: | ajh: cpu+ is the current setting, should I try cpu++ or go the other direction |
| [15:57:33] | iamlindoro__: | fnc1, Because it's a buggy POS whose limited speed improvement is offset by loss of features, crashiness, inflexibility, etc. |
| [15:57:34] | ajh: | iamlindoro, what would be preferable? |
| [15:57:50] | iamlindoro__: | ajh, Assuming you have enough CPU, Xv is the best choice. |
| [15:57:51] | ajh: | hti, limited experience, I'd try all them and see how things change. |
| [15:57:54] | iamlindoro__: | xv-blit, that is |
| [15:59:42] | ajh: | running with cpu++ Xorg sits at 100% on one core though. |
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| [16:00:22] | ajh: | total use is lower than before with normal though, only 1.1–1.2 |
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| [16:00:33] | iamlindoro__: | ajh, FYI Max-cpus in playback profiles only applies to h.264 playback |
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| [16:00:52] | ajh: | might want to put that in the info text there :) |
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| [16:01:06] | jsheedy: | join #tvtime |
| [16:01:09] | jsheedy: | oops |
| [16:01:12] | iamlindoro__: | no, you do it |
| [16:01:13] | iamlindoro__: | haha |
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| [16:01:13] | ajh: | seems to be working ok now though. |
| [16:01:37] | ajh: | yeah, I'm making a list of things to put in once I get some time. |
| [16:01:41] | iamlindoro__: | if you are running that close to the edge, writing your own playback profile is the best course of action |
| [16:01:58] | iamlindoro__: | ajh, I was talking to jsheedy when I said you do it |
| [16:02:04] | ajh: | ah. :) |
| [16:02:06] | directhex: | http://bp0.blogger.com/_HCigBpgdao8/R_1JnBZZ- . . . ffensive.jpg |
| [16:02:08] | directhex: | *cough* |
| [16:02:20] | ajh: | getting a lot of these audio stream changed lines... |
| [16:02:33] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, ugh, I *know* |
| [16:02:47] | ajh: | seems like mentioning it 30 times a second might be using a bit of cpu :) |
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| [16:02:57] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Thankfully my parents exposed me to hardcore pornography since birth, and look how good I turned out! |
| [16:03:24] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: tell me that;s not a REAL poll? |
| [16:03:28] | iamlindoro__: | It is |
| [16:03:35] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, bien sur |
| [16:03:36] | GreyFoxx: | people aren't that pathetic are they ? |
| [16:03:49] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, on a wobsite for parents to get info on games before letting their kids have them |
| [16:03:51] | iamlindoro__: | To be fair, I think it's of, *sigh* US residents |
| [16:04:19] | GreyFoxx: | Two men kissing? So What? games with active sex well maybe |
| [16:04:45] | GreyFoxx: | I suspect my child would be more tramatised by a severed head that two guys kissing each other |
| [16:04:51] | GreyFoxx: | people suck :) |
| [16:05:49] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, you want your child to catch TEH GAY? :o |
| [16:06:06] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: As long as she's happy and safe, I honestly could care less :) |
| [16:06:33] | ajh: | anyway to get a frontend to auto-reconnect to a backend? |
| [16:06:33] | hti_pro: | I would rather my child be gay, than sever someones head |
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| [16:06:42] | hti_pro: | well depending on whose head it is |
| [16:07:10] | directhex: | you're a terrible parent! next you'll suggest knowledge of contraception is better than waving a finger and saying "naughty, don't have sex evar" |
| [16:07:25] | Asacarn1: | i'm noticing that most HDTV cards don't seem to have an MPEG-2 encoder on them. is that going to mess me up if i try to use one for analog reception? |
| [16:07:49] | directhex: | Asacarn1, there is no product on the market which can encode analog HD. yet. |
| [16:07:57] | Asacarn1: | oh that's not what i mean |
| [16:08:17] | hti_pro: | ok, the well depends... was a joke. I would rather be able to see my child live and grow and be gay, than to have monthly visits in state lockup |
| [16:08:18] | Asacarn1: | if you want an SDTV myth box isn't it useful to have a capture card that does MPEG-2 or something? |
| [16:08:51] | hti_pro: | My kids aren't gonna have sex until they are 23.... lol.... I wish |
| [16:09:11] | GreyFoxx: | ajh: usually they will auto connect |
| [16:09:22] | hti_pro: | and be forced to be gay |
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| [16:09:38] | hti_pro: | ...in state lockup |
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| [16:10:15] | directhex: | Asacarn1, desirable, yes. there are several downsides to hybrid dards though, e.g. only being able to use one half of the card at a time |
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| [16:10:33] | ajh: | greyfoxx, strange, I don't find that. |
| [16:10:53] | ajh: | this audio stream changed error is the last one I need to fix I think. |
| [16:10:55] | hti_pro: | don't get me wrong, I am totally opposed to my child being gay, and I will do everything in my power to prevent it, but it isn't the worst thing that could ever happen |
| [16:11:32] | Asacarn1: | directhex: i'm just looking for a cheap way to record tv |
| [16:11:46] | Asacarn1: | are there any dual tuners with HDTV that work in linux? |
| [16:11:51] | GreyFoxx: | My only reall opposition to it is more a "how would people treat her" over protective kinda thing. |
| [16:11:54] | ** Asacarn1 guesses they'd be super expensive ** | |
| [16:12:07] | GreyFoxx: | part of that as long as she's safe and happy :) |
| [16:12:31] | GreyFoxx: | Asacarn1: I think one of the dvico fusion cards had dual tuners on it |
| [16:12:36] | GreyFoxx: | I remember reading that somewhere |
| [16:12:53] | hti_pro: | i agree GreyFoxx |
| [16:13:03] | fryfrog: | i could totally care less if my kid is gay or straight, i'd rather they just be happy |
| [16:13:11] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: *nod* |
| [16:13:28] | ajh: | yeah, both Xv-blit and OpenGL seem to work fine visually |
| [16:13:51] | GreyFoxx: | ajh: If you are hurting for CPU just be warned that OpenGL video rendering uses more that xv |
| [16:13:58] | ajh: | I don't think I am. |
| [16:14:03] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [16:14:19] | ajh: | It's this Audio changed error I need to get rid of. |
| [16:14:23] | directhex: | but it looks sweet |
| [16:14:25] | directhex: | IF it works |
| [16:14:32] | directhex: | do we know why it breaks on nvidia >100 yet? |
| [16:14:55] | GreyFoxx: | MarkK posted on the nvidia support forumns, and included a demo app they could use to demonstrate it outside of myth and not one response so far :) |
| [16:15:17] | directhex: | stupid sucky nvidia |
| [16:15:27] | hti_pro: | fryfrog: agreed, and safe |
| [16:15:29] | GreyFoxx: | They just put out a new beta which has several opengl fixes so I might test that one my own |
| [16:15:52] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, newer than 171.06? |
| [16:15:54] | hti_pro: | is there a way to disble livetv pip in program guide |
| [16:15:58] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: 173.xx |
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| [16:16:04] | ajh: | yeah, opengl with bobx2 seems to work fine. |
| [16:16:29] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, ooh, i might need that for the office |
| [16:16:29] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, we need 171.05 minimum for a new toy |
| [16:16:49] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111460 |
| [16:16:54] | GreyFoxx: | 173.08 |
| [16:18:37] | ajh: | ok, I spoke too soon, it locked up after a while with bobx2hw |
| [16:19:09] | ajh: | 2008-04–11 12:16:49.206 audio stream changed |
| [16:19:10] | ajh: | 2008-04–11 12:16:49.218 audio stream changed |
| [16:19:15] | ajh: | Is that something to worry about? |
| [16:19:20] | hti_pro: | where are the opengl settings in myth |
| [16:19:56] | GreyFoxx: | hti_pro: you have to be specific on what setting you mean :) |
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| [16:20:16] | hti_pro: | i want to turn them all off |
| [16:20:24] | GreyFoxx: | there is no 1 single page |
| [16:20:27] | hti_pro: | I think opengl is slowing down my system |
| [16:20:32] | GreyFoxx: | if you want them all off don't compile in support ?:) |
| [16:20:50] | hti_pro: | didn't compile, it was ubuntu standard package |
| [16:21:12] | directhex: | there are 2 settings. opengl menus, and opengl rendering |
| [16:21:17] | ** GreyFoxx finally does the backend upnp config page for mythtv-setup ** | |
| [16:22:20] | directhex: | menus: setup/setup/appearance/paint engine |
| [16:22:22] | stimo: | hmmmmz i'm gonna build a media server backend wich will serve some media devices (no htpc) and record once in a while now i'm can't make up my mind for the cpu |
| [16:22:27] | hti_pro: | what section should i look in, I have looked in the TV settings on the frontend and I don't see them anywhere, just an option for opengl vertical sync |
| [16:22:29] | ajh: | without using a x2 deinterlacer CPU is reasonable. |
| [16:22:50] | directhex: | rendering: setup/setup/tv settings/playback/playback profiles |
| [16:22:51] | hti_pro: | thanks directhex |
| [16:23:13] | ajh: | if the audio error isn't important is there an easy way to supress it? |
| [16:23:18] | stimo: | low power... so what is the best option u guys think also keeping in mind the price? celeron 440 ore P3 1GHZ? |
| [16:23:35] | directhex: | stimo, what kind of recording, what kind of tv card? |
| [16:23:55] | stimo: | gonna go with haup pvr-150 |
| [16:24:05] | directhex: | any cpu, then |
| [16:25:03] | stimo: | what min specs for recording 2 shows at the same time u think? |
| [16:25:12] | stimo: | with 2 cards ore a pvr-500 |
| [16:25:13] | directhex: | 1ghz p3 is fine, if using pvr cards |
| [16:25:21] | GreyFoxx: | stimo: With pvr 250/150/350/500 cpu is bascially 0 |
| [16:25:30] | GreyFoxx: | the card does all work |
| [16:25:40] | GreyFoxx: | all the software does is read the data from the card and write it to the hd |
| [16:25:43] | directhex: | disk io might use the cpu up a bit though on old boards |
| [16:26:13] | stimo: | prob with P3 boards would be not supporting sata2 i think |
| [16:26:29] | stimo: | sata card than.. |
| [16:26:31] | GreyFoxx: | you can pickup a pci sata card |
| [16:26:32] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [16:26:51] | directhex: | it would be hard for a p3 board to support tech that wasn't invented yet, like sata |
| [16:26:57] | stimo: | ^^ |
| [16:27:14] | justinh: | regarding the live tv programme guide, I'm a big advocate of making it common with the other programme guide & using contexts to separate them rather than having 2 massive chunks in ui.xml :) |
| [16:27:33] | directhex: | me too! |
| [16:27:37] | directhex: | make it so, commander! |
| [16:27:41] | hti_pro: | what playback profile provides for minimum cpu usage |
| [16:27:42] | stimo: | hmmmz btw i also want to be able to configure my recording over http is that hard to setup cause i'm a linux noob lol |
| [16:27:45] | hti_pro: | slim? |
| [16:27:50] | GreyFoxx: | stimo: install mythweb |
| [16:27:54] | directhex: | stimo, install mythweb |
| [16:27:59] | GreyFoxx: | you can do all scheduling via a web interface |
| [16:28:08] | justinh: | directhex: little point doing it myself since it needs to be turned over to mythui anyway ;) |
| [16:28:13] | ajh: | anyone working on a better channel editor? |
| [16:28:26] | justinh: | ajh: nope. knock yourself out |
| [16:28:28] | ajh: | preferably one with an export and import? |
| [16:28:41] | ajh: | justinh, yeah may get some time next month to work on the one in mythweb. |
| [16:28:44] | justinh: | hey that's not a half bad idea |
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| [16:29:13] | justinh: | why aren't any of the feature requests in the wiki that useful? |
| [16:29:19] | ajh: | having a way to define a default directory for channel icons would also make it easier for those of us who need to enter half of them by hand. |
| [16:29:35] | directhex: | yes! |
| [16:29:46] | ajh: | I'll add some to the wiki once I'm more familiar with things, it's always hard to know what's already in and isn't.... |
| [16:29:52] | justinh: | to hell with that – make it a new storage group :) |
| [16:30:05] | GreyFoxx: | a sg is better |
| [16:30:12] | directhex: | also, (nobody shout), being able to define a per-frontend videoroot is needed, so you don't need identical mountpoints across frontends |
| [16:30:16] | ajh: | sure, anything, just entering the full path 200 times is pain |
| [16:30:25] | ajh: | icon browser would be nice too ;) |
| [16:30:37] | ajh: | but that would be a lot more work. |
| [16:30:43] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: I don't honestly see a good reason to NOT mount identically, but someone is working on that |
| [16:30:44] | justinh: | with a storage group, there'd be no need for sharing icons over nfs or worse still copying em over yourself |
| [16:30:46] | hti_pro: | i think streaming video just like livetv would be better |
| [16:30:48] | GreyFoxx: | turning them into storage groups instead |
| [16:31:11] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, the answer to that one is "non-linux ports", but justinh will eat my spleen if i mention that |
| [16:31:11] | hti_pro: | then just setup the video and music collection once |
| [16:31:15] | EvilGuru: | For DVB-T what does the Signal: xx% mean? As those with higher %'ages (30 or so) I can't seem to get a lock on, but those in the 20's work |
| [16:31:18] | justinh: | heh |
| [16:31:30] | directhex: | EvilGuru, some drivers give reverse values |
| [16:31:33] | justinh: | windows users can eat cake. cake I tell you! |
| [16:31:57] | EvilGuru: | I'll play around with it at the week-end some more, compare with a STB and my card can get |
| [16:31:58] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: That's why I think someone started talking about just moving it all to storage groups |
| [16:32:00] | directhex: | 376M /media/WindowsXPHome/mythtv/mythtv/run/ |
| [16:32:04] | directhex: | cake AND disk space |
| [16:32:19] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, or move mythvideo to upnp |
| [16:32:23] | justinh: | I still mean to carry out my threat of renaming all my theme images to end in . :D |
| [16:32:31] | ajh: | I'll just export it via nfs for now, but yeah that'd be nice. |
| [16:32:55] | justinh: | 376M? christ on a bike! A full blown minimyth frontend is less than that uncompressed! |
| [16:32:55] | hti_pro: | NOOooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOo....windows |
| [16:32:59] | GreyFoxx: | ctags -R |
| [16:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
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| [16:33:17] | hti_pro: | computers are like air-conditioners, they don't work well when you open windows |
| [16:33:43] | justinh: | hti_pro: this is what they (sadly) call the march of progress |
| [16:34:00] | EvilGuru: | hti_pro: I know a lot of people who have the window open when the air conditioning is on |
| [16:34:05] | directhex: | Justin_, think that's bad? |
| [16:34:14] | hti_pro: | progress... I have seen none when it comes to windoze |
| [16:34:24] | directhex: | 143M /media/WindowsXPHome/mythtv/mythtv/run/libmythtv-0.21.dll |
| [16:34:33] | directhex: | :) |
| [16:34:40] | justinh: | 143M just for libmythtv ? :-O |
| [16:34:48] | justinh: | what's that pulled in?! |
| [16:35:11] | directhex: | 55M /media/WindowsXPHome/mythtv/mythtv/run/libmyth-0.21.dll |
| [16:35:19] | directhex: | 20M /media/WindowsXPHome/mythtv/mythtv/run/libmythui-0.21.dll |
| [16:35:26] | directhex: | 28M /media/WindowsXPHome/mythtv/mythtv/run/mythfrontend.exe |
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| [16:35:49] | mkrufky: | is that working now? |
| [16:36:00] | directhex: | mkrufky, for very small values of "working" |
| [16:36:10] | justinh: | I know disk space is cheap these days but effing hell |
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| [16:36:22] | directhex: | mkrufky, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . tv-win32.JPG |
| [16:36:29] | mkrufky: | i guess that means, 'no' ? |
| [16:36:50] | mkrufky: | hot! |
| [16:37:00] | EvilGuru: | directhex: Looks like toy story 2 as opposed to Poriot ;) |
| [16:37:04] | directhex: | mkrufky, i got livetv to load and display, but most channel changes caused crashes. as did most things, such as incorrect config files |
| [16:37:27] | directhex: | EvilGuru, good guess! it's livetv toy story 2, and me browsing the guide (with livetv PiP) |
| [16:37:34] | mkrufky: | thats very good progress, tho |
| [16:37:40] | directhex: | there's an a/v sync issue |
| [16:37:46] | directhex: | and it crashes like nobody's business |
| [16:37:53] | directhex: | and look at the window title in the taskbar O_o |
| [16:38:26] | justinh: | why is a native windows frontend seen as a good thing? I just can't fathom it. When I first came to mythtv I just flatly acknowledged I'd _have_ to use linux or run with another software PVR – and I'd love it to stay that way thanks! |
| [16:38:52] | EvilGuru: | I run the OS X frontend |
| [16:39:04] | EvilGuru: | (well, along with the Linux one, depends what system I am on) |
| [16:39:06] | justinh: | so there's a small number of people who'd like it on their desktop.. but surely not a full frontend machine |
| [16:39:15] | directhex: | justinh, truth #1: people run myth on desktop machines. even in a window! not everyone has dedicated myth frontend boxes |
| [16:39:21] | ajh: | anyone seen problems with dvb card inputs without any sources connected to them? I'm getting backend crashes and the only change so far was adding 2 unused cards. |
| [16:39:32] | EvilGuru: | It seems a waste of a windows license to use it as a dedicated frontend |
| [16:39:36] | justinh: | directhex: well, that means they just have to go to hell like they always had to :) |
| [16:39:46] | directhex: | justinh, truth #2: people multitask on desktop machines. the wife watches shitty stuff in a window and plays games at the same time |
| [16:40:03] | EvilGuru: | In a window is much nicer, as I can have work on another screen/part of desktop |
| [16:40:31] | justinh: | you can't possibly _watch_ two things at the same time. not properly and IMHO if a programme isn't worthy of your full attention wtf are you recording it for? ;) |
| [16:40:32] | directhex: | justinh, truth #3: some people run !linux on the desktop |
| [16:40:51] | directhex: | justinh, do you have any windows open other than your irc client? |
| [16:41:09] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Do you listen the radio when you're driving? |
| [16:41:19] | justinh: | I run windows on my desktop. I develop stuff on my windows machine.. graphical things (cos linux sucks at that).... |
| [16:41:29] | justinh: | when I need myth on my desktop I open freenx :) |
| [16:41:35] | ajh: | a 2nd show would be news most of the time. |
| [16:42:15] | mkrufky: | i think that there is merit to run myth under windows |
| [16:42:22] | mkrufky: | i hate windows, |
| [16:42:24] | justinh: | I'm not going along with the radio argument. music can be in the background |
| [16:42:26] | mkrufky: | and i love linux |
| [16:42:26] | PatrickDK: | heh, I just have two machines |
| [16:42:32] | mkrufky: | and myth is the "gateway software" |
| [16:42:35] | PatrickDK: | my windows desktop, and my myth next to it |
| [16:42:43] | justinh: | muh but "it'll bring squillions of users to the party muhhhhhh" :-\ |
| [16:42:52] | ajh: | tried it in vmware? ;) |
| [16:42:56] | mkrufky: | it will bring VENDORS to the party |
| [16:43:04] | mkrufky: | VENDORS will want to jump on the mythtv bandwagon |
| [16:43:10] | mkrufky: | because everybody knows it is awesome |
| [16:43:18] | justinh: | mkrufky: a native windows backend is even further away than a proper frontend |
| [16:43:22] | PatrickDK: | venders won't jump on, with a frontend on windows |
| [16:43:30] | PatrickDK: | only when you can put a backend on windows will they |
| [16:43:38] | PatrickDK: | cause the backend is what uses the special hardware |
| [16:43:38] | Anduin: | or it could bring another dtk |
| [16:43:43] | justinh: | and vendors are doing next to nothing about linux driver development |
| [16:43:43] | mkrufky: | ..... a bankend in windows is a work in progress, no? |
| [16:43:46] | EvilGuru: | How would a native backend work? As surely myth depends on V4L |
| [16:43:58] | GreyFoxx: | mkrufky: yup |
| [16:44:14] | hti_pro: | i wouldnt want to run a backend on windows, too much unnecessary resource usage |
| [16:44:24] | mkrufky: | anyway, even with a windows frontend.... it means i can suddenly pull my ATi machine out from the bottom of my closet and put it to good use |
| [16:44:31] | hti_pro: | i would be weary of fd up recordings |
| [16:44:52] | hti_pro: | I think that would be the only advantage |
| [16:45:01] | hti_pro: | IMHO |
| [16:45:21] | godsyn: | using my ATI machine as a backend, as the video card doesn't matter :) |
| [16:46:29] | justinh: | one thing I'm absolutely sure of is that when all of mythtv runs fully on windows I reckon that'll be the end of linux mythtv |
| [16:46:35] | directhex: | the "gateway software" principle is real though. if someone who uses windows uses firefox, thunderbird & OOo, then moving to linux is significantly less likely to induce a coma than if they use IE, OE and msoffice |
| [16:47:11] | hti_pro: | mama says microsoft is the devil |
| [16:47:12] | mkrufky: | gotta run, bbl |
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| [16:47:15] | janneg: | the network recorders may already work on a windows backend |
| [16:47:24] | justinh: | can you boot windows over a network? oh yeah but it's a fecking evil bastard bitch from hell |
| [16:47:53] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Is a bit like saying "When Apple ported iTunes to windows their days were numbered" (I remember people saying that) Not that Apple are any less evil than MS |
| [16:47:54] | justinh: | can you do lame serial port remote controls on windows? yes but if you think they suck on linux, HELLO! |
| [16:48:36] | justinh: | EvilGuru: not at all. if the developers shift focus & the linux side begins to atrophy... bye bye |
| [16:48:58] | EvilGuru: | As most of the developers windows users at heart? |
| [16:48:59] | justinh: | after all, a lot of people only use linux so they can get mythtv. I was one of them |
| [16:49:24] | PatrickDK: | I only use windows cause I have to :( |
| [16:49:38] | PatrickDK: | but every machine I have that isn't my workstation is not windows |
| [16:49:47] | hti_pro: | im with PatrickDK |
| [16:49:49] | justinh: | having got some experience under my belt I'd not go any other way now. it's just less hassle. no driver reinstalling.. no reasonless crashes... |
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| [16:50:14] | hti_pro: | The only machines i use windows on are dual boot and I only boot into windows when I absolutely have to |
| [16:50:18] | directhex: | cross-platform software is better software |
| [16:50:21] | justinh: | open source capture card drivers are generally much more reliable than the shite you get with cards for windows |
| [16:50:32] | directhex: | i write cross-platform apps because it makes for better code |
| [16:50:44] | directhex: | trying code on different platforms helps to find otherwise hidden bugs |
| [16:50:45] | PatrickDK: | cross platform does not make better software |
| [16:50:53] | PatrickDK: | it makes it a management nightmare |
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| [16:51:11] | PatrickDK: | expecually when you put windows in it |
| [16:51:12] | directhex: | PatrickDK, only in #ifdef hell |
| [16:51:16] | EvilGuru: | I write crossplatform software because it is no extra effort on my part |
| [16:51:40] | PatrickDK: | ya, ifdef hell that can easily screw you :) |
| [16:51:41] | EvilGuru: | All of the libraries I use run on windows and os x so it is worth supporting them |
| [16:51:43] | justinh: | so erm.. how come the windows binaries are so huge? |
| [16:51:56] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Could be debug builds |
| [16:52:18] | justinh: | people have moaned about myth on linux being bloated... pfft! :) |
| [16:53:02] | directhex: | justinh, mingw qt3 on windows is a horrid hack. it would probably be better with qt4 or commercial qt3 |
| [16:53:35] | justinh: | there's still light at the end of the tunnel though – I know at least a couple of people who regularly contribute code & they couldn't give much of a care about the 'port'. IMHO it's nothing more than a minor annoyance at the mo |
| [16:54:10] | justinh: | qt3? the scores on the doors will all soon be fours :) |
| [16:54:56] | directhex: | justinh, 1) at the time, win32-packager.pl was hard coded to qt3. it still might. 2) i wanted a built that could use my existing 0.21 BE |
| [16:54:58] | justinh: | I spose I _might_ warm to the idea – I mean one of the reasons I don't use any of the windows player software is that it all looks so arse |
| [16:55:41] | justinh: | I just don't want it to affect the status quo is all. it'd be more than sad if it did |
| [16:55:56] | justinh: | (in a bad way for linux users I mean) |
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| [16:56:32] | directhex: | 0.21 builds on windows. do you think it's suffered as a result? |
| [16:56:50] | justinh: | too early to say yet |
| [16:57:13] | EvilGuru: | Crazy people. |
| [16:57:24] | justinh: | that might change as soon as it becomes _usable_ |
| [16:57:34] | ajh: | /usr/bin/mythbackend: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x00002aaac4641000 *** |
| [16:57:38] | GreyFoxx: | 1 minute poll, I'm adding a upnp config screen to mythtv-setup. 1 item on there is how often mythbackend will rescan for new videos to serve. (0 = off). Should I do it in increments of 100 seconds or 15/30 minutes ? |
| [16:57:42] | ajh: | So, that's what the backend is dying on. |
| [16:58:14] | ajh: | any idea on what to look for? |
| [16:58:15] | GreyFoxx: | default is currently 1800secs, so 30 minutes |
| [16:58:38] | ajh: | the front end also freezes up |
| [16:58:42] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, how about a flat "minutes" field? |
| [16:58:48] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: depends what rescanning the directories is going to do ;) |
| [16:59:07] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: basically the same as going to the root of your video dir and typing find |
| [16:59:15] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: minutes, seconds sucks for times over 5 minutes |
| [16:59:19] | GreyFoxx: | updates the list of videos/locations |
| [16:59:27] | GreyFoxx: | no reading of content |
| [16:59:31] | justinh: | I think 10 min intervals would be enough |
| [16:59:39] | hti_pro: | i like a lot of control so i would say seconds |
| [16:59:48] | hti_pro: | let the user decide |
| [16:59:52] | GreyFoxx: | the main thing is I will let 0 = off for those who want it disabled |
| [16:59:56] | directhex: | hti_pro, seconds? how enormously silly |
| [17:00:20] | ajh: | http://www.pastebin.org/29040 for full backend output and traceback |
| [17:00:29] | justinh: | for the amount of space it'd take up onscreen, why not hours & minutes? |
| [17:00:35] | GreyFoxx: | hti_pro: It's gonna be a spinbox, not an input field, so if someone wants to up it to 3600 they would have to hit up thousands of times hehe |
| [17:00:36] | hti_pro: | linux is all about total control |
| [17:00:49] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, right thousands of times, not up |
| [17:00:51] | hti_pro: | i see |
| [17:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | janneg: I'll likely use minutes |
| [17:01:06] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: true, true |
| [17:01:10] | hti_pro: | why not input box |
| [17:01:12] | hti_pro: | jc |
| [17:01:19] | justinh: | linux is all about total control. yeah – just look at xine's 'master of the known universe' settings! |
| [17:01:25] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [17:02:05] | GreyFoxx: | janneg: Do we no longer use the commfree flag anymore? I saw it removed when you did your QT4 updates (db change 1218) and not mythweb complains if you commit changes from it's channel editor |
| [17:02:16] | GreyFoxx: | though I suppose I could grep -r it myself |
| [17:03:55] | hti_pro: | GreyFoxx just curious why not an input field |
| [17:04:33] | GreyFoxx: | hti_pro: Cause I wish to control the input using existing code rather than having to makesure they didn't type in "once an hour" :) |
| [17:04:49] | GreyFoxx: | the code is there, and fits in with most every other field |
| [17:04:52] | hti_pro: | i understand |
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| [17:05:01] | GreyFoxx: | and most importantly, works with a remote easily :) |
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| [17:05:52] | GreyFoxx: | minutes it is, default to 30, max of 1 day min of 0/off |
| [17:06:06] | directhex: | use a win32 date picker! |
| [17:06:15] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [17:08:57] | directhex: | there's a plan – dump QT, switch to MFC, and compile the linux port against winelib ^_^ |
| [17:09:09] | hti_pro: | I think windows should come standard with a panic button, which will immediately destroy all evidence of windows ever being installed and install linux |
| [17:09:37] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: commfree was discarded a long time ago for a value in the commmethod field |
| [17:09:48] | GreyFoxx: | ok, so mythweb just needs to drop it as well |
| [17:09:50] | directhex: | hti_pro, "evil entity linux" |
| [17:10:34] | ajh: | ok, this is frustrating, the back-end just won't stay up. |
| [17:10:38] | hti_pro: | we could even simulate a blue screen so they feel right at home |
| [17:10:58] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: yes, it wasn't used in the last 2 years |
| [17:11:07] | GreyFoxx: | heh ok |
| [17:12:39] | iamlindoro__: | *Very* OT, but does anyone know/have experience with a linux based phone/PDA/Handheld with a Serial Port/can be adapter with one? |
| [17:12:41] | hti_pro: | has anyone checked out the microsoft "shared source" |
| [17:12:46] | ajh: | did that pastebin look like a myth error or a hardware problem? I moved it to a new box. |
| [17:13:22] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, eee! |
| [17:13:31] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, or anything with a usb port, and a usb/serial adapter |
| [17:14:09] | ajh: | ok, I've never seen the backend take 95% cpu before |
| [17:14:15] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Yeah, eee is gonne be too big, has to clip on someone's belt-- need to find a device to pull data off of the serial port of a prototype medical device over a few days and dump it into text, nothing fancy |
| [17:15:23] | hti_pro: | they let you look at the source, but don't ever write anything similar or they will sue the shit out of you. |
| [17:15:41] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, does it have to run linux? |
| [17:15:48] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Am starting to think the N800 might be a good choice |
| [17:15:57] | PatrickDK: | my friend loves his n800 |
| [17:16:13] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, Not *necessarily* but it's a preference... Open development environment is an almost-must |
| [17:16:14] | PatrickDK: | but then he helped nokia develop it and put linux on it |
| [17:16:39] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, was just thinking if you needed size, just program a pic+flash to do it |
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| [17:18:09] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, Well, we need a bit more than that, but that's probably the direction it will go for the product itself-- right now we need some sort of shell access, a C compiler, and an ability to interface with serial on the device... sounds like the N800 may fit the bill-- the old school answer would have been the Zaurus but good luck finding those in the US any more |
| [17:19:07] | PatrickDK: | I just got seveal of them bluetooth to serial adaptors, those are fun |
| [17:19:32] | ajh: | what could be causing the backend to jump to 100% cpu load? |
| [17:20:07] | PatrickDK: | ajh, hundreds of thousands of things |
| [17:20:33] | ajh: | what's a good way to tell what it is? :) |
| [17:20:42] | PatrickDK: | to get more detailed info :) |
| [17:20:47] | PatrickDK: | what program us using the cpu? |
| [17:21:02] | PatrickDK: | is the cpu usage from user program? system? wait? ... |
| [17:21:19] | PatrickDK: | do people not know how to use top? |
| [17:21:32] | ajh: | I mean the mythbackend task itse.f, 2.2 user, 45% system 47% nice |
| [17:21:37] | ** PatrickDK joins iamlindoro in heartattack land ** | |
| [17:21:57] | ** iamlindoro__ hands PatrickDK a stick. ** | |
| [17:21:57] | ajh: | strace shows nothing on the process. |
| [17:22:10] | PatrickDK: | what is your wait % |
| [17:22:18] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, No heart attacks for me, there's a reason for the 200 miles a month I run ;) |
| [17:22:37] | PatrickDK: | I run, approx, 1mile a month |
| [17:22:44] | ajh: | 0% |
| [17:22:52] | hti_pro: | i run to the bathroom, sometimes |
| [17:22:59] | PatrickDK: | ajh, how about irq's per second |
| [17:23:07] | PatrickDK: | cause that much system time is the kernel busy doing something |
| [17:24:11] | PatrickDK: | ajh, try vmstat 1 |
| [17:24:35] | PatrickDK: | sample values for in and cs |
| [17:24:58] | hti_pro: | would udma2 cause livetv to become unresponsive to keypresses |
| [17:25:05] | ajh: | in around 900, cs around 10,000 |
| [17:25:13] | PatrickDK: | your cs is fucked |
| [17:25:40] | PatrickDK: | that says the kernel is switch what program is running 10k times a second |
| [17:25:57] | PatrickDK: | I wouldn't recommend cs going over 3–5k on extreemly busy systems |
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| [17:26:27] | PatrickDK: | in also cause cs, but you only have 900 of them |
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| [17:28:03] | ajh: | yeah, hmm over context switching. |
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| [17:29:14] | ajh: | I bet the unused dvb cards are looping in read. |
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| [17:30:57] | ajh: | thanks, for the life of me I couldn't recall the command name for that |
| [17:31:06] | hti_pro: | i am confused as hell. My mythfrontend froze on me displaying program guide with pip livetv, now ps reports that no myth processes exist |
| [17:31:36] | hti_pro: | but my capture card is still actively capturing, as indicated by the nice little red light |
| [17:32:05] | hti_pro: | anyone have any idea |
| [17:32:30] | hti_pro: | ok now the processes are back |
| [17:33:08] | hti_pro: | On the top screen what is id% |
| [17:35:59] | hti_pro: | everyone hates me, I start talking and everyone stops |
| [17:39:01] | justinh: | how very astute :P |
| [17:39:05] | justinh: | (kidding) |
| [17:39:39] | PatrickDK: | hti_pro, man top |
| [17:42:53] | hti_pro: | i got nothing on id for cpu states |
| [17:43:20] | hti_pro: | but from other text im guessing it means idle processes |
| [17:46:07] | justinh: | cue forum quotes like "arghhH! my system is constantly pegged even when I'm not doing anything with it. There's this 'idle' process hogging 99.9% of my CPU time. REEELP!" |
| [17:46:25] | directhex: | justinh, already happens on windows |
| [17:46:40] | directhex: | justinh, "system idle process" |
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| [18:09:12] | directhex: | another box packed |
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| [18:13:24] | tcpsyn: | anyone follow the wiki article for XM Radio on myth |
| [18:13:26] | tcpsyn: | there's a hack |
| [18:13:55] | ** stuarta waves ** | |
| [18:15:01] | tcpsyn: | yo |
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| [18:21:50] | hti_pro: | stuarta how do you do that |
| [18:22:18] | kormoc: | hti_pro, do what? |
| [18:22:20] | ** EvilGuru like this? ** | |
| [18:22:26] | hti_pro: | yeah that |
| [18:22:31] | kormoc: | /me waves |
| [18:22:34] | stuarta: | irc 101 :) |
| [18:22:35] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [18:22:41] | hti_pro: | fairly new to irc |
| [18:22:47] | ** stuarta tazers nobody in particular ** | |
| [18:23:13] | kormoc: | !fish MythLogBot |
| [18:23:19] | kormoc: | !trout MythLogBot |
| [18:23:19] | ** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of kormoc... ** | |
| [18:23:39] | stuarta: | !trout self |
| [18:23:39] | ** MythLogBot slaps self with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [18:23:49] | stuarta: | !seen action |
| [18:23:49] | MythLogBot: | action has not been seen here |
| [18:24:04] | stuarta: | :) ahh, an oldie, but a goodie. |
| [18:24:08] | hti_pro: | !fuck |
| [18:24:20] | stuarta: | no don't do that |
| [18:24:30] | hti_pro: | damn didn't work |
| [18:24:35] | hti_pro: | i guess i'm not gettin it |
| [18:24:46] | directhex: | !seen the light |
| [18:24:46] | MythLogBot: | the light has not been seen here |
| [18:25:05] | stuarta: | bots are part of irc 201 |
| [18:25:21] | directhex: | MythLogBot is a bot largely lacking in fun though |
| [18:25:36] | PatrickDK: | heh, friend is attempting to get an ati video card working under solaris 4 |
| [18:25:36] | directhex: | i mean, i get nothing if i say "mythlogbot, fuck you!" |
| [18:25:36] | kormoc: | hti_pro, /me waves |
| [18:25:38] | stuarta: | well it's not easy to cluebat a logbot |
| [18:25:39] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [18:25:40] | hti_pro: | alright, and where can I find info on these things |
| [18:26:02] | ** hti_pro waves ** | |
| [18:26:06] | hti_pro: | oh, nice |
| [18:26:42] | ** hti_pro slaps himself ** | |
| [18:26:46] | hti_pro: | ok, i get it |
| [18:26:55] | hti_pro: | where can i get more info on things like this |
| [18:27:04] | stuarta: | google? |
| [18:27:15] | kormoc: | hti_pro, google, the holder of all knowledge |
| [18:27:27] | ** hti_pro bows to google ** | |
| [18:27:36] | kormoc: | jfgi.com |
| [18:27:59] | kormoc: | whoops, that's not the right domain name sadly |
| [18:28:02] | hti_pro: | anyone have experience setting up mysql for mythtv |
| [18:28:13] | hti_pro: | are you calling me a jew |
| [18:28:17] | ** stuarta suspects it's gunna be one of those nights ** | |
| [18:29:40] | ** stuarta gets another beer ** | |
| [18:29:53] | hti_pro: | i cannot connect to the mysql server from my slave backend |
| [18:30:10] | natoka: | hti_pro: ah |
| [18:30:27] | natoka: | hti_pro: you're probably only binding to localhost then |
| [18:30:29] | directhex: | bind, bind, bind your boat |
| [18:30:32] | directhex: | gently down the stream |
| [18:30:36] | stuarta: | lalalala |
| [18:30:43] | stuarta: | life is but a dream |
| [18:30:43] | hti_pro: | i have done GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO 'mythtv'@'slavebackend'; |
| [18:30:45] | kormoc: | Life is just a dream |
| [18:30:47] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: what would I be lacking to allow me to do xvmc opengl support? |
| [18:30:49] | hti_pro: | no it is open to my lan |
| [18:30:55] | kormoc: | hti_pro, check your my.cnf file |
| [18:31:02] | directhex: | hti_pro, why are people obsessed with GRANT? i'm sick of shit docs :/ |
| [18:31:08] | directhex: | hti_pro, bind-address in my.cnf |
| [18:31:22] | hti_pro: | not binding to any specific interface |
| [18:31:23] | kormoc: | directhex, GRANTS work well... to GRANT stuff :P |
| [18:31:31] | hti_pro: | bind-address is commented out |
| [18:31:36] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, honestly, I donno, I never used it |
| [18:31:36] | natoka: | hti_pro: error message of mysql command line client on connect? |
| [18:31:39] | stuarta: | thats the problem |
| [18:31:42] | hti_pro: | i can try to connect but access is denied |
| [18:31:46] | SlicerDicer: | ahh well neither have i kormoc :) |
| [18:31:56] | kormoc: | flush privileges; ? |
| [18:32:10] | kormoc: | stuarta, nah, a no bind-address means all interfaces |
| [18:32:23] | hti_pro: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'michael.corleone.family.hom' (using password: YES) |
| [18:32:23] | stuarta: | kormoc, depends on your distro |
| [18:32:49] | kormoc: | stuarta, that's a huge huge break in mysql standards. What distros do this? |
| [18:33:01] | ** stuarta rechecks his info ** | |
| [18:33:51] | hti_pro: | flush priveleges?? |
| [18:34:01] | stuarta: | you have to spell it right |
| [18:34:07] | hti_pro: | will that disconnect the master backend, which is currently recording |
| [18:34:16] | kormoc: | no |
| [18:34:20] | natoka: | hti_pro: when changing mysql permissions you need to have mysql to reload them |
| [18:34:40] | directhex: | kormoc, but it's so rarely a GRANT issue at all |
| [18:34:46] | stuarta: | kormoc: your info is correct. my brain is not |
| [18:36:02] | ajh: | is there something that limits how many inputs you can put in for dvb cards? I was able to put 2 on 2 card but the 3rd doesn't ask for 'add new' |
| [18:36:47] | ajh: | un, scratch that, my fault |
| [18:38:11] | hti_pro: | I tried flush priveleges; and it gave me this ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'priveleges' at line 1 |
| [18:38:21] | hti_pro: | wait |
| [18:38:24] | stuarta: | privileges |
| [18:38:30] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: --xvmc-lib=XvMCNVIDIA ;-) |
| [18:38:33] | hti_pro: | got it |
| [18:38:34] | SlicerDicer: | it allows for it to be enabled |
| [18:38:41] | SlicerDicer: | now if it works is another story I will find out |
| [18:39:39] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: I guess its using a wrapper otherwise? at least thats what I read? |
| [18:39:54] | hti_pro: | still denied access |
| [18:39:58] | ajh: | uh, why am I only able to add a switch config to one of the dvb inputs? are the others automatically attached? |
| [18:40:12] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, it uses xvmcw, so whatever you have xvmcw to use, it would use |
| [18:40:25] | SlicerDicer: | yeah |
| [18:40:40] | SlicerDicer: | I am just messing with it :) |
| [18:40:46] | SlicerDicer: | if it breaks woohoo ;-) |
| [18:42:03] | ajh: | and the 'dvb-s' button seems to be missing to configure things |
| [18:42:04] | hti_pro: | can i query the mysql.user tables to see what mythtv should be able to access |
| [18:42:09] | natoka: | hti_pro: then it's probably a name resolution problem |
| [18:42:35] | hti_pro: | name resolution works great |
| [18:42:37] | natoka: | hti_pro: that would normally be mysql.db you have to query |
| [18:42:55] | kormoc: | natoka, actually, he's correct |
| [18:42:55] | natoka: | hti_pro: did you test it with host? |
| [18:43:04] | kormoc: | natoka, mysql way is db.table |
| [18:43:12] | kormoc: | natoka, so he said mysql database, table user |
| [18:43:22] | ajh: | according to the wiki on the input connections screen there's supposed to be a dvb-s button between unencrypted channels only and allow audio only channels |
| [18:43:32] | hti_pro: | anyone know what command i would use to do that |
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| [18:43:48] | Eemak: | hi, anyone using flash player through mythweb? |
| [18:43:54] | natoka: | kormoc: and i'm talking about where privileges about db access are stored ... |
| [18:44:00] | hti_pro: | im a total newbie to mysql queries |
| [18:44:06] | kormoc: | natoka, as am I |
| [18:44:20] | kormoc: | natoka, well, we're both right |
| [18:44:43] | natoka: | kormoc: yeah, each on his own perspective |
| [18:44:55] | kormoc: | Eemak, yes |
| [18:45:22] | Eemak: | was wondering if there are any hacks or add ons for it, specifically to allow popup window view |
| [18:45:34] | kormoc: | Eemak, only the ones you will write |
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| [18:45:55] | hti_pro: | ok found the problem, i granted acces to mythtv from host michael without password |
| [18:45:59] | Eemak: | nice way to answer questions |
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| [18:46:15] | hti_pro: | how do i now assign a password, If i do another grant statement will it overwrite the existing one |
| [18:46:29] | stuarta: | yep |
| [18:46:32] | natoka: | lol ... |
| [18:46:45] | SlicerDicer: | build errors blow :/ |
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| [18:56:17] | hti_pro: | what do i append to the grant statement to assign a password |
| [18:56:49] | SlicerDicer: | anybody got any ideas? http://rafb.net/p/sxxPvP61.html lol |
| [18:57:49] | mkrufky-away: | looks like a missing dependency — u need to find out who provides basic_ostringstream |
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| [18:57:59] | natoka: | hti_pro: if you don't get that right, then use an update statement |
| [18:58:21] | hti_pro: | update?? |
| [18:58:41] | natoka: | hti_pro: update db set password=password('dididum') where user='yourusername' |
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| [18:59:20] | hti_pro: | is that a password for the user in general, because from localhost i do have to use a password, just not from the remote host |
| [19:00:19] | natoka: | hti_pro: that's going to be in general for that user |
| [19:00:57] | natoka: | hti_pro: otherwise if you're a security freak, add a " and host='yourhostname |
| [19:01:09] | natoka: | ^^ missing a ' at the end |
| [19:01:50] | natoka: | p.s. there are really nifty gui interfaces out there for mysql |
| [19:02:53] | SlicerDicer: | fricken hell I hate ccache sometimes :/ |
| [19:04:17] | natoka: | e.g phpmyadmin |
| [19:04:37] | natoka: | SlicerDicer: gentoo user? |
| [19:05:40] | SlicerDicer: | natoka: well.. I usto be :) |
| [19:05:46] | SlicerDicer: | I am running ubuntu currently |
| [19:05:54] | natoka: | ups |
| [19:06:02] | natoka: | ^^ what happened? |
| [19:06:13] | SlicerDicer: | I am having issues getting svn to build |
| [19:06:25] | hti_pro: | I'm about to do that, I would just hate to install another app on my already loaded server, to change something that i could do with, hopefully, a single statement just to never use that app again |
| [19:06:54] | natoka: | hti_pro: i told you the single statement |
| [19:07:01] | hti_pro: | it isnt working |
| [19:07:17] | hti_pro: | db would be mythconverg.* or mysql.* |
| [19:07:18] | natoka: | hti_pro: you need to flush the privileges afterwards |
| [19:07:27] | hti_pro: | i got an error |
| [19:08:14] | natoka: | nope db would be mythconverg |
| [19:08:23] | natoka: | and not mythconver.* |
| [19:09:01] | hti_pro: | if i don't include the .* it says no database selected |
| [19:09:05] | natoka: | actually that's all about pretty plain ol' SQL ... |
| [19:09:20] | SlicerDicer: | natoka: I am angry at my computer :) |
| [19:09:37] | natoka: | SlicerDicer: time to buy a new one then ... :) |
| [19:09:50] | hti_pro: | i have tried to read the mysql reference manual, but it reads like a damned nuclear physics book |
| [19:09:58] | natoka: | SlicerDicer: or probably just pretend so, sometimes that helps ... |
| [19:10:07] | ** hti_pro is not a nuclear physicist ** | |
| [19:10:19] | SlicerDicer: | natoka: lol well I just replaced a capacitor on the board so I did not have to :) |
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| [19:11:12] | hti_pro: | sometimes you have to replace many capacitors at the same time, so that they match. Never done it before, but i heard of it causing real wierd sh#^ if you dont |
| [19:11:14] | natoka: | SlicerDicer: ah, one of those older mobos with those bumping caps then, i see |
| [19:11:17] | SlicerDicer: | no doubt though for some reason everytime I try to build svn... |
| [19:11:22] | SlicerDicer: | on ubuntu |
| [19:11:30] | SlicerDicer: | its fucked 6 ways from sunday no joke |
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| [19:11:37] | clever: | hti_pro: i can make sense of the mysql manuals:P |
| [19:11:39] | SlicerDicer: | deps are a bitch... |
| [19:12:11] | hti_pro: | clever: i can understand some, but the GRANT statement in particular is like gibberish |
| [19:12:17] | hti_pro: | unless i am looking at the wrong manual |
| [19:12:22] | natoka: | clever: tell one who can't when he is proficient in SQL |
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| [19:13:17] | mkrufky: | SlicerDicer: is there an easy howto for distcc / ccache anywhere? i usually use ubuntu, and i have a bunch of machine who are (usually) idle, and i am always rebuilding v4l/dvb devel trees from scratch, and id lose to parallelize that |
| [19:13:36] | clever: | grant all on mythconverg.* to username@host identified by 'password'; |
| [19:13:38] | mkrufky: | SlicerDicer: ie: is there an easy way to build linuxtv.org v4l-dvb.hg modules using distcc / ccache |
| [19:13:46] | clever: | hti_pro: that looks close enough for you to finish |
| [19:13:47] | mkrufky: | ^ in ubuntu |
| [19:13:47] | natoka: | hti_pro: hmm, i just detected an error in my ealier sql statement |
| [19:14:07] | SlicerDicer: | mkrufky: I disabled ccache and distcc still no dice |
| [19:14:30] | mkrufky: | umm, i didnt say to do that |
| [19:14:32] | mkrufky: | but ok |
| [19:14:38] | natoka: | hti_pro: update user set password=password('dididum') where user='yourusername' |
| [19:15:15] | hti_pro: | ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected |
| [19:15:39] | clever: | natoka: that sounds like it would set it for all users in the access list |
| [19:15:49] | clever: | and it would need a flush afterwards to dump the cache |
| [19:15:52] | SlicerDicer: | mkrufky: I know just removing things from the mix can sometimes help |
| [19:15:59] | SlicerDicer: | but alas its not enough :/ |
| [19:16:19] | natoka: | clever: that's right |
| [19:16:35] | clever: | and for it to work right you need to 'use mysql' first |
| [19:16:50] | SlicerDicer: | hti_pro: likely a broken dep |
| [19:16:54] | hti_pro: | ok thanks |
| [19:17:24] | mkrufky: | oh |
| [19:17:25] | hti_pro: | that did it, thanks a lot guys. |
| [19:17:49] | hti_pro: | i don't know why mysql is so hard for me to get, usually I am a very quick learner |
| [19:18:02] | SlicerDicer: | mkrufky: just I can never figure out what deps I am missing haha |
| [19:18:16] | justinh: | I'm not usually a quick learner but mysql never really fazed me :) |
| [19:18:23] | natoka: | hti_pro: it's a database, it has to be complicated ;) |
| [19:18:27] | hti_pro: | do you guys know of any newbie tutorials for mysql |
| [19:18:31] | justinh: | copy from a webpage. paste. badabing |
| [19:18:50] | mkrufky: | maybe google knows, SlicerDicer, |
| [19:18:52] | hti_pro: | If i can learn basic database manipulation I think it will get alot easier |
| [19:19:00] | mkrufky: | you know which method it cant resolve |
| [19:19:22] | SlicerDicer: | mkrufky: google has brain damage as always |
| [19:19:29] | SlicerDicer: | when it comes to my build errors |
| [19:19:42] | mkrufky: | you just have to ask ikt the right question |
| [19:19:57] | tcpsyn: | hti_pro, follow a quick apache/php/mysql tutorial |
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| [19:20:34] | hti_pro: | i have set up many a lamp server, but the app scripts usually always take care of database creation and manip |
| [19:20:48] | SlicerDicer: | mkrufky: like? |
| [19:20:55] | mkrufky: | whgat happened to linux.google.com ?!?!?! |
| [19:20:59] | mkrufky: | itsz gone!!!! |
| [19:21:12] | hti_pro: | what no linux.google.com |
| [19:21:15] | hti_pro: | nooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| [19:21:33] | mkrufky: | 'ah, found it |
| [19:21:33] | mkrufky: | http://www.google.com/linux |
| [19:22:53] | hti_pro: | it moved???? |
| [19:22:58] | mkrufky: | apparantly |
| [19:23:59] | hti_pro: | wait, no its always been at google.com/linux |
| [19:24:16] | mkrufky: | ok then |
| [19:24:18] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [19:24:53] | hti_pro: | at least as long as i remember |
| [19:25:27] | hti_pro: | anyone have any idea how to change the default search provider in the firefox toolbar to google.com/linux |
| [19:25:45] | hti_pro: | without source modification, preferably |
| [19:27:44] | mkrufky: | are you kidding? |
| [19:27:50] | mkrufky: | its in the options |
| [19:28:24] | mkrufky: | and thats really off-topic here (not that you should listen to me — i always talk about tv shows) |
| [19:28:24] | hti_pro: | i can find google.com, but i can't set it to google.com/linux |
| [19:28:37] | hti_pro: | i agree, it is way off topic |
| [19:29:51] | hti_pro: | heres one on topic, can i set up the backend to provide the same settings to all frontends, or is that something tracked on the frontend itself |
| [19:31:29] | stuarta: | its a per frontend thing |
| [19:34:47] | hti_pro: | is it per frontend, but kept in the database or a config file on the frontend |
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| [19:35:19] | fn1: | afternoon all |
| [19:35:43] | fn1: | i got a quick question.. for just storage should i go with xfs or reiserfs? |
| [19:35:47] | Anduin: | hti_pro: it is per frontend (settings table) |
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| [19:36:23] | hti_pro: | ok, i wont ask how to replicate that table to other frontend, i've had enough mysql today |
| [19:36:51] | Anduin: | hti_pro: you don't do the table, just rows, there is a hostname column |
| [19:37:18] | hti_pro: | i see, unless it is real simple, I don't want nothin to do with it today |
| [19:40:18] | fn1: | anyone anyone? xfs or reiserfs? |
| [19:40:29] | directhex: | fn1, for storage? xfs |
| [19:40:35] | fn1: | thx |
| [19:40:43] | fn1: | ext wont work for me this time... |
| [19:40:51] | fn1: | ext3 |
| [19:40:53] | directhex: | reiser is for bottle rocket data, i.e. /tmp |
| [19:41:03] | stuarta: | xfs is for video |
| [19:41:11] | fn1: | cool... |
| [19:41:17] | stuarta: | hey, even the bbc decided on xfs |
| [19:41:18] | fn1: | ext3 maxes out at 8tb |
| [19:41:32] | stuarta: | you have 8tb? |
| [19:41:35] | fn1: | 10 |
| [19:41:39] | stuarta: | fm |
| [19:41:44] | directhex: | stuarta, and i have a support contract from sgi, so i can get xfs support from the right people if i lie & claim the office machine is busted |
| [19:42:05] | directhex: | redqueen:/home/system/jms # df -h | grep home |
| [19:42:05] | directhex: | pillar-home:/home 27T 2.0T 25T 8% /export/home |
| [19:42:06] | stuarta: | once upon a time i aspired to owning an indigo |
| [19:42:18] | fn1: | heh.. i had a iris |
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| [19:42:26] | directhex: | i have an altix! |
| [19:42:33] | directhex: | and it has MOAR RAM# |
| [19:42:36] | fn1: | was the heavest machine i ever owned |
| [19:42:39] | stuarta: | they aren't purple :) |
| [19:42:47] | hti_pro: | does the slave backend keep its own log file on the slave machine |
| [19:42:57] | directhex: | jms@orac:~> free | grep Mem |
| [19:42:58] | directhex: | Mem: 1033307712 452693856 580613856 0 4448 201764608 |
| [19:42:59] | directhex: | MOAR! |
| [19:43:21] | fn1: | im guessing thats at work eh? |
| [19:43:29] | directhex: | yep |
| [19:43:31] | fn1: | 27tb sheesh |
| [19:43:49] | fn1: | my array is still building... directhex, you familair with mdadm then? |
| [19:44:09] | directhex: | fn1, not intimately. the man from SGI configured md, and i use hardware raid at home |
| [19:44:11] | fn1: | i built 14 drives, and have one left and want to hadd it as a hot spare.. but can seem to figure that out |
| [19:44:48] | SlicerDicer: | fn1: lol I just fixed all mine so all the stuff is familar in my head still |
| [19:44:52] | stuarta: | can't say i've added spares to an array with mdadm |
| [19:45:05] | fn1: | how do i add a hot spare? |
| [19:45:09] | fn1: | sdp1 |
| [19:45:23] | directhex: | fn1, anyway, ignore the disk space. add up the Mem. |
| [19:46:07] | fn1: | looks like a tb? |
| [19:46:25] | PatrickDK: | directhex, so that runs 32bit os? :) |
| [19:46:28] | directhex: | fn1, looks awfully like it, doesn't it |
| [19:46:37] | stuarta: | looks like 1gb to me |
| [19:46:59] | directhex: | stuarta, then you're miscounting |
| [19:47:06] | ** stuarta notes that free uses 1k as a base ** | |
| [19:47:14] | SlicerDicer: | fn1: just using the -add no? |
| [19:47:15] | stuarta: | ergo ~= 1tb |
| [19:47:18] | directhex: | no, "free -k" uses 1k as a base |
| [19:47:31] | fn1: | add ok.. but how do i tell it to be a hot spare... |
| [19:47:32] | directhex: | no wait, it DOES |
| [19:47:33] | directhex: | my bad |
| [19:47:48] | stuarta: | was gunna say 2063944 = my 2gb |
| [19:47:55] | directhex: | jms@orac:~> free -g | grep Mem |
| [19:47:56] | directhex: | Mem: 985 429 555 0 0 190 |
| [19:47:57] | PatrickDK: | anyone counting memory in less than 1k has a computer from the 70's |
| [19:47:59] | directhex: | that's less ambiguous |
| [19:48:01] | fn1: | when i built i tired a -x1 and it made disc 14 out of 15 the hot.. i really wanted the hot to be #!15 in the last slot |
| [19:48:17] | SlicerDicer: | that I am not sure on fn1 on how to set it as hotspare? |
| [19:48:30] | hti_pro: | if i run mythbackend in non-daemon mode it should have some kind of output to stdout right?? |
| [19:50:37] | stuarta: | a bit |
| [19:50:39] | hti_pro: | I am running mythbackend from command line and absolutely no output to log or stdout |
| [19:51:23] | hti_pro: | oh wait i do have somthing to the log, not the usually 10s of pages though |
| [19:52:29] | hti_pro: | i'm tryin to figure out why my capture card on my slave backend is coming up as unavailable but the logs aren't tellin me crap |
| [19:53:13] | hti_pro: | anyone have any ideas |
| [19:54:08] | fn1: | one other note.. are there any good GUI tools for raid? anything anyone can recomend? |
| [19:54:35] | stuarta: | gui? go the power of the cli!!!!! |
| [19:54:36] | hti_pro: | should i be looking at logs from slave or master, the card is on the slave so i assume that would be the place to look right? |
| [19:55:20] | natoka: | fn1: you can add the disc with mdadm --manage --add |
| [19:55:21] | Anduin: | hti_pro: Yes, that is where the card will be opened. |
| [19:55:27] | fn1: | gui is easier for some things... espicailly when your not use to running things but im sure ill use the cli for most... |
| [19:55:38] | fn1: | natoka: yeah but how do i tell it to be a hot spare... |
| [19:55:42] | SlicerDicer: | natoka: thats what I thought :) |
| [19:55:45] | hti_pro: | Anduin: any idea why i would get nothing about this in the logs |
| [19:55:49] | fn1: | i guess just add x1 in there... |
| [19:55:50] | natoka: | fn1: should then become a hot spare for the md device |
| [19:56:16] | Anduin: | hti_pro: No, usual reasons are that the card is opened elsewhere or the driver is failing. |
| [19:56:33] | fn1: | ill give it a shot tonight when i get home |
| [19:56:35] | natoka: | fn1: you can even share the spare then between different arrays when setting up /etc/mdadm.conf properly |
| [19:56:55] | hti_pro: | driver is ok, and not opened, tvtime is running perfectly |
| [19:57:35] | hti_pro: | the order in which the backends and frontends are opened shouldnt matter right |
| [19:57:46] | Asacarn1: | for building htpcs, are intel chips much more expensive than AMD? |
| [19:57:51] | Anduin: | hti_pro: you should see output when running the backend, solve that first |
| [19:57:58] | Asacarn1: | i'm a little out of the loop, back in my day (5 years ago!) AMD was the great value |
| [19:58:03] | hti_pro: | i see very little in the log |
| [19:58:05] | Anduin: | hti_pro: correct, the frontend will reconnect if needed |
| [19:58:07] | hti_pro: | but nothing on stdout |
| [19:58:43] | fn1: | natoka: yeah ive seen that on some webpages.. but they were talking about shareing between them.. when one had it setup already the other had none.. |
| [19:58:45] | Anduin: | hti_pro: if you run just "mythbackend" and see nothing on the screen, you are not running the mythbackend directly |
| [19:58:52] | justinh: | stuarta: you been reading Germaine Greer again? ;) |
| [19:58:54] | fn1: | it was the initial setup of a hot spare i couldnt figure out... |
| [19:59:00] | justinh: | the power of the cli ... |
| [19:59:03] | stuarta: | justinh: not that i know of :) |
| [19:59:15] | ** stuarta suffers ENORUM ** | |
| [19:59:38] | stuarta: | ah yes, the cli.... |
| [19:59:57] | hti_pro: | i see about 20 lines, about connecting to the database but thats it |
| [20:00:44] | stuarta: | well if it has nothing to do it doesn't say much |
| [20:00:48] | Anduin: | hti_pro: try with -v most |
| [20:01:01] | stuarta: | and prepare for the onslaught |
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| [20:02:42] | Anduin: | hti_pro: should also check the master log, make sure it has a "adding: hostname as slave backend server", you could just have things configured wrong. |
| [20:03:04] | ** stuarta goes for more booze ** | |
| [20:03:26] | ajh: | If you have 3 DVB cards do you need 3 input devices or can they share one? |
| [20:03:43] | tcpsyn: | what? |
| [20:03:57] | olds: | you need 3 input devices |
| [20:04:20] | ajh: | ah, that might explain things, thanks. |
| [20:04:22] | iamlindoro__: | Do you mean listing sources? If so, yes, those can be shared among cards |
| [20:04:24] | hti_pro: | nothing in the local logs regarding errors with cards, but i am concerned about this; Skipping 'Flag Commercials' job for chanid 1049 @ 20080411140000, should run on 'mythfe' instead |
| [20:04:24] | hti_pro: | I have it setup to run jobs on any host, not just original |
| [20:04:57] | hti_pro: | got the adding slave backend in the master log |
| [20:05:05] | ajh: | Sorry, I meant VIdeo Sources |
| [20:05:33] | iamlindoro__: | Yup, video sources can be used on as many cards as you like |
| [20:05:51] | iamlindoro__: | That is, video sources in Myth terminology where they = listings |
| [20:06:43] | ajh: | hrm, I'm confused then, when I try livetv I get card3 but no video, and hitting C won't switch to the others. |
| [20:09:28] | SlicerDicer: | mkrufky: got it to build heh |
| [20:09:44] | mkrufky: | nice, SlicerDicer |
| [20:10:03] | ** mkrufky is in LOST withdrawal ** | |
| [20:10:08] | ajh: | ugh, looks like a switch issue |
| [20:10:17] | SlicerDicer: | I am angry at the LOST writers |
| [20:10:37] | SlicerDicer: | mkrufky: what were they thinking killing off jin :/ |
| [20:10:38] | stuarta: | ajh: you can put 1 video source on 3 cards |
| [20:10:42] | stuarta: | i do it with 2 |
| [20:11:02] | SlicerDicer: | mkrufky: ABC the family network... yeah so they fire anybody who gets in trouble and kill em... horking the storyline IMO |
| [20:11:09] | ajh: | DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node! |
| [20:11:18] | ajh: | I suspect that's the issue. |
| [20:11:18] | hti_pro: | I had this working perfectly until i swapped the master and slave backends |
| [20:11:21] | SlicerDicer: | mkrufky: libby, eko, ana lucia :/ |
| [20:11:30] | stuarta: | ajh: do you have diseq? |
| [20:11:30] | iamlindoro__: | Nobody has killed Jin... yet. |
| [20:11:34] | ajh: | yes |
| [20:11:45] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro__ hes dead |
| [20:11:59] | iamlindoro__: | SlicerDicer, A grave on the mainland means nothing |
| [20:12:12] | hti_pro: | what is port 6547 used for |
| [20:12:13] | ajh: | Oh, I have an idea... I was trying to set it up tone earlier and left it turned on for 2 lnb ports, probably need to reset that. |
| [20:12:16] | SlicerDicer: | he got busted just like the others... hes bannzored |
| [20:12:30] | mkrufky: | ugh bad timing ... i'll be back ina few minutes |
| [20:12:35] | iamlindoro__: | By that logic anyone not in the Oceanic 6 is dead... doubtful. He may die, but it hadn't happened yet. |
| [20:12:37] | iamlindoro__: | er hasn't |
| [20:12:49] | SlicerDicer: | mark my words hes dead in 2 episodes max |
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| [20:13:32] | hti_pro: | is tcp/6547 used by myth |
| [20:13:39] | PatrickDK: | you people and lost again :( |
| [20:14:02] | stuarta: | i got bored after 0.5 an episode |
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| [20:14:18] | hti_pro: | its open on my master backend, but not the slave |
| [20:14:26] | hti_pro: | is this an issue |
| [20:14:32] | ** stuarta wonders if that's the upnp port ** | |
| [20:14:38] | iamlindoro__: | yup IIRC |
| [20:14:45] | justinh: | is Lost written by Russell T Davies? the bits I've seen I could swear... (yeah they were that bad) |
| [20:14:57] | hti_pro: | IIRC??? |
| [20:15:05] | iamlindoro__: | If I recall correctly |
| [20:15:12] | hti_pro: | oh. |
| [20:15:30] | iamlindoro__: | 6547 = uPnP IIRC |
| [20:15:32] | justinh: | or intermediate IRC – where noobs are even more unclued (shudder) |
| [20:15:42] | stuarta: | irc shorthand was invented way before sms shorthand |
| [20:15:47] | stuarta: | and smileys for that matter |
| [20:15:56] | hti_pro: | where would the settings for this be |
| [20:16:13] | stuarta: | what would you want to set? |
| [20:16:13] | hti_pro: | and would this cause a card to be "unavailable |
| [20:16:15] | hti_pro: | " |
| [20:16:27] | Anduin: | hti_pro: No |
| [20:16:36] | PatrickDK: | stuarta, come on, shorthand was invented on aol chat rooms :) |
| [20:16:44] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, a/s/l? |
| [20:16:46] | stuarta: | nope :-P |
| [20:16:49] | iamlindoro__: | (14/f/CA) |
| [20:17:11] | olds: | lol |
| [20:17:16] | stuarta: | the only thing AOL invented was "me too!!!" |
| [20:17:17] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, EVERYONE on the interweb is 14/f/ca! |
| [20:17:19] | Anduin: | hti_pro: after moving things around you reconfigured everything (mythtv-setup, reconfigure the cards)? |
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| [20:17:27] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, ;) Heheh, I know |
| [20:17:29] | directhex: | stuarta, you mean it wasn't linuxquestions.org? :o |
| [20:17:29] | hti_pro: | yes i did |
| [20:17:36] | stuarta: | :) |
| [20:17:57] | stuarta: | hand up those who ran the first public release of linux? |
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| [20:18:04] | ** stuarta puts both hands up ** | |
| [20:18:22] | stuarta: | i'm talking about 0.99r13 for the record |
| [20:18:25] | directhex: | stuarta, linux was smelly poop compared to beos, from my testing in 1998. didn't touch it again until 2001 |
| [20:18:29] | hti_pro: | i set up the master, and everything is working on it, I am recording right now.. I set up slave backend and everything works correctly except for the card. |
| [20:18:41] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Hands up if you owned a BeBox! |
| [20:18:44] | ** iamlindoro__ raises his hands ** | |
| [20:18:46] | hti_pro: | setup went fine, the is just unavailable in the frontend |
| [20:18:51] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, fo' realz? neat! |
| [20:19:00] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, i paid for beos 5 pro, if that counts for anything |
| [20:19:00] | hti_pro: | hand up if you owned an IBM XT |
| [20:19:14] | iamlindoro__: | pffffft, IBM XT, there's no geek cred in that |
| [20:19:16] | directhex: | hand up if you're 14/f/ca |
| [20:19:19] | directhex: | o/ |
| [20:19:26] | iamlindoro__: | (everyone raises hands) |
| [20:19:31] | hti_pro: | oh come on, everyone has to start somewhere |
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| [20:20:10] | stuarta: | owned nope, but worked on a sat building the buggers and putting the mem chips in by hand |
| [20:20:37] | stuarta: | you want maths? that's another chip for more $$$ |
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| [20:21:09] | hti_pro: | the XT was the most versatile machine i have owned yet. I use to pull chips and move them around to random locations, on static ridden carpet, no matter what i did that thing would not die |
| [20:21:24] | hti_pro: | i didn't buy, it was given to me |
| [20:21:30] | stuarta: | not that they did anything in a hurry |
| [20:21:49] | hti_pro: | oh yeah, a whopping 12MhZ i think |
| [20:21:55] | hti_pro: | could be off by about 10 |
| [20:22:05] | justinh: | eeee computers?! COMPUTERS?! When I were a lad all we had to entertain us selves was a wooden ball on a stick! |
| [20:22:28] | stuarta: | 12mhz was one of the common models |
| [20:22:32] | stuarta: | as was 8mhz |
| [20:22:47] | stuarta: | 4.77mhz rings a bell too |
| [20:22:49] | iamlindoro__: | I broke a 10 MByte MFM hard drive when they cost $10,000. That was a BAD time, especially when dad got home. |
| [20:23:01] | ajh: | OK, seems we only support DiSEqC 1.0 |
| [20:23:02] | stuarta: | heh |
| [20:23:03] | hti_pro: | oh yeah, a 40MB hard drive, that didn't come standard of course, the size of a large powersupply |
| [20:23:17] | ajh: | and not 1.1 or higher |
| [20:23:29] | stuarta: | anyone else remember ESDI drives? |
| [20:23:33] | directhex: | i ran del *.* in c:\dos once |
| [20:23:38] | directhex: | my father was displeased |
| [20:23:39] | iamlindoro__: | ajh, There is support up to DiSeqC 1.3 as far as I know |
| [20:23:42] | ajh: | stuart. remember Eagle-2? :) |
| [20:23:43] | hti_pro: | ESDI? |
| [20:23:51] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, there is no 1.3! |
| [20:23:54] | stuarta: | wtf was that? a satellite? |
| [20:24:00] | ajh: | 2008-04–11 16:23:25.403 DiSEqCDevTree, Error: Invalid number of ports for DiSEqC 1.x Switch (8) |
| [20:24:18] | mkrufky: | im back |
| [20:24:19] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, 1.3 is the "fake" number for 1.2 + some other nonsense features from what I understand |
| [20:24:20] | ajh: | stuart, Xylogics controllers. :) |
| [20:24:21] | stuarta: | 1.x implies > 1.0 |
| [20:24:22] | mkrufky: | yeah, LOST withdrawl |
| [20:24:30] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, USALS. |
| [20:24:38] | ajh: | Then there's a define in there somewhere that's wrong. |
| [20:24:39] | justinh: | withdrawal? it's been cancelled? |
| [20:24:43] | ** justinh does a happy dance ** | |
| [20:24:49] | mkrufky: | SlicerDicer: the actor that plays Jin got a DWI |
| [20:24:54] | mkrufky: | DWI --> LOST DEATH |
| [20:25:01] | ajh: | since 1.0 limits to 4 devices 1.1 up to 16 |
| [20:26:06] | iamlindoro__: | grep -ir "diseqc" * |grep 1_3 == Many many results |
| [20:26:30] | stuarta: | we've put support in for 10 port stuff iirc |
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| [20:27:16] | ajh: | in 0.21? |
| [20:27:25] | stuarta: | yeah |
| [20:27:29] | iamlindoro__: | a good stretch before .21 |
| [20:27:34] | samIam122: | howdy all |
| [20:27:41] | ajh: | 2008-04–11 16:27:19.791 DiSEqCDevTree, Error: Invalid number of ports for DiSEqC 1.x Switch (8) |
| [20:27:42] | ajh: | 2008-04–11 16:27:19.796 DVBChan(13:5) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices |
| [20:27:55] | samIam122: | Is anyone usng mythweb and .htaccess? |
| [20:27:56] | hti_pro: | Anduin: man i had this problem in 0.20 and upgrading to 0.21 fixed it, never did figure it out in 0.20 |
| [20:28:04] | ajh: | Do you use DiSEqCD or the Uncommitted One? |
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| [20:30:26] | ajh: | Using the first results in TVRec(16) Error: No valid DTV info, ATSC maj(0) min(0), MPEG pn(-1) after the other error. |
| [20:31:12] | hti_pro: | we really nead a diagnostics utility for myth |
| [20:32:01] | ajh: | there's no explaination anywhere on the difference between the two |
| [20:32:17] | Anduin: | hti_pro: I'd look at the DB and/or reconfigure the card on the slave backend again, if it isn't a card opening problem it should be that the hostname for the card doesn't match or something like that. |
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| [20:33:44] | hti_pro: | i get this in the backend log from mythweb: 11072 mythbackend 2 0 2008-04–10 21:46:55 michael Problem with capture cards Card 2failed init |
| [20:34:49] | stuarta: | try deleting and recreating the card |
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| [20:35:29] | ajh: | ugh, apparently I need to cascade switches |
| [20:35:46] | stuarta: | yes, you need to model it as it's connected |
| [20:35:52] | hti_pro: | i got nothing from the log in system info in the frontend, but i do on mythweb running on the slave, whats up with that |
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| [20:37:23] | CCFL_Man4: | iamlindoro__: i got a motorola DSR-4500X, one works, one is flaky |
| [20:37:23] | ajh: | this I'll document if I can make it work. |
| [20:37:37] | stuarta: | ajh: good idea |
| [20:37:37] | CCFL_Man4: | two of them i got, i mean |
| [20:37:45] | stuarta: | there aren't a lot of ppl using diseq |
| [20:37:52] | iamlindoro__: | CCFL_Man4, aaaaaaah, my daily chance to call you cuh-razyyyyyyy |
| [20:38:21] | ajh: | and uncommitted vs committed, I think I now have enough swtich to run many many many satellites |
| [20:38:59] | ajh: | like, 16 |
| [20:39:10] | stuarta: | watching them could be a bitch |
| [20:39:23] | CCFL_Man4: | iamlindoro__: from what i can tell, like with the discovery channel, cable companies output the discovery channel via composite video through the modulator, and the rest, like science channel, animal planet, etc through asi or dhei to their cherry pickers |
| [20:39:31] | ajh: | yeah, if it works I'll try to swap it |
| [20:39:54] | CCFL_Man4: | iamlindoro__: so they can be part of the "digital" package |
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| [20:40:27] | ** iamlindoro__ points out that he's getting five new HD channels on Tuesday, he gets everything via firewire, and his cable is still $33. ** | |
| [20:40:36] | ajh: | I don't really understand why this would be needed though, it should 'just work' |
| [20:41:03] | CCFL_Man4: | iamlindoro__: but your video goes through their evil cherry pickers :P |
| [20:41:03] | Anduin: | hti_pro: I don't see a way for that error to not have been on stdout unless you changes LogPrintLevel |
| [20:41:19] | iamlindoro__: | CCFL_Man4, Weeeaaaaaaaak argument. |
| [20:41:24] | hti_pro: | i just figured out that that is from when the slave was a master |
| [20:41:25] | CCFL_Man4: | lol |
| [20:41:48] | CCFL_Man4: | iamlindoro__: all i can come up with :P |
| [20:42:04] | iamlindoro__: | I just got a raise today... Am thinking maybe another HD-PVR is in order :) |
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| [20:43:58] | CCFL_Man4: | lol |
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| [20:44:40] | zubwolf: | hi there, i'm using mythbuntu and would like to know if there is a possibility to use iptv as in UDP/multicast streams from an iptv provider? |
| [20:44:42] | CCFL_Man2: | i just need the dish, the qam modulator, the upconverter, and the authorization and i'm set :P |
| [20:45:42] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [20:49:29] | directhex: | i get dsl in my new house in a few days |
| [20:49:35] | directhex: | wonder how far the exchange is from my house |
| [20:50:56] | directhex: | hm, around 1km... |
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| [20:52:03] | hti_pro: | i removed and re-added(i don't think that is a word) and all it did was give the tuner a different number |
| [20:56:35] | hti_pro: | Anduin: if i post my stdout from mythbackend on pastebin will you check it out, or anyone else |
| [20:57:29] | Anduin: | hti_pro: Yes |
| [20:59:02] | hti_pro: | ok if i can figure out how to use it |
| [20:59:21] | stuarta: | zubwolf: there is an iptv recorder already in mythtv. |
| [21:00:07] | hti_pro: | ok heres the stdout http://pastebin.ca/981508 |
| [21:01:22] | iamlindoro__: | hti_pro, What capture cards do you have? |
| [21:01:22] | hti_pro: | and here is the log http://pastebin.ca/981510 |
| [21:01:46] | hti_pro: | on the slave is an old hauppauge wintv bt878 card |
| [21:01:56] | zubwolf: | stuarta, thx for your answer, do you have an url pointing to a manual which tells me how to use this iptv-recorder? |
| [21:02:05] | hti_pro: | on the master it is a hauppauge wintv pvr usb 2 |
| [21:02:19] | stuarta: | erm, no |
| [21:02:28] | ** stuarta wonders if it's in the wiki or the docs ** | |
| [21:03:00] | zubwolf: | stuarta, i was looking for it in the docs but couldnt find anything, also the wiki was not helpfull |
| [21:03:36] | stuarta: | try searching the mailing list archives. i suspect it's not well documented |
| [21:04:06] | zubwolf: | stuarta, okay, i will, thank you! |
| [21:04:32] | stuarta: | there are ppl in here who do use it, you will have to be patient |
| [21:05:22] | hti_pro: | looks like the logfile doesnt apply, sorry |
| [21:06:13] | zubwolf: | stuarta, oh, okay |
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| [21:07:21] | Anduin: | hti_pro: I don't see anything obviously wrong |
| [21:07:41] | hti_pro: | hang on i'm gonna restart and try to get it to use the log file |
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| [21:09:14] | hti_pro: | it says it cannot open the logfile for some reason, but it also says that it is sending everything to stdout and stderr |
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| [21:09:31] | hti_pro: | I have another idea |
| [21:09:44] | neztiti: | guys any one here can help me with twinhan remote.conf??? |
| [21:13:51] | hti_pro: | absolutely nothin different |
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| [21:14:06] | hti_pro: | i have no idea |
| [21:14:21] | stuarta: | hti_pro: it's probably a permissions issue that it can't open the logfile |
| [21:14:42] | hti_pro: | its rw to user mythtv and that is who the backend is running as |
| [21:16:28] | stuarta: | what about the directory the logfile is in |
| [21:17:03] | stuarta: | it'll need to be rwx for mythtv |
| [21:19:08] | hti_pro: | /var/log is writable by root only rx by everyone else but /var/log/mythtv is rwx for for mythtv user and group |
| [21:19:17] | hti_pro: | and also setgid |
| [21:19:46] | stuarta: | odd, should work |
| [21:20:24] | hti_pro: | i'm half tempted to uninstall myth backend and reinstall |
| [21:20:35] | hti_pro: | that didn't help last time i had this prob though |
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| [21:23:07] | psymin: | here is your noob question for the day .. know of any tools for myth or linux .. that would help me test my HTPC setup? Verify that 5.1 surround is working .. and that the colors are right? |
| [21:24:40] | stuarta: | i thought 5.1 surround only came in black |
| [21:25:05] | psymin: | :P |
| [21:25:06] | iamlindoro__: | Mmmm, synesthesia |
| [21:25:10] | PatrickDK: | I thought 5.1 sounds was black, green, orange :) |
| [21:25:57] | directhex: | speaker-test |
| [21:26:13] | ** directhex hands iamlindoro__ Rez ** | |
| [21:26:46] | ** hti_pro remodels his computer with a nice big hammer ** | |
| [21:27:09] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, trying to decide if there's anything remotely worth playing coming out soon... I may even venture in to GTA IV |
| [21:27:21] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, sam & max! |
| [21:27:33] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, I'm playing through them finally, casually |
| [21:27:33] | ** stuarta is currently addicted to Burnout Paradise ** | |
| [21:27:37] | psymin: | A DVD with visual test patterns and surround sound test .. with subtle mythtv propaganda would be neat to hand out at a foocamp .. |
| [21:27:45] | hti_pro: | there has got to be a way to get more info, it is definitely not a front end issue though right |
| [21:28:05] | psymin: | err, barcamp |
| [21:28:24] | stuarta: | bar! that's an idea. i need a refill! |
| [21:28:31] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, I may go back and play through the Longest Journey again, then fly to europe and punch Ragnar Tornquist in the face for being too slow |
| [21:28:41] | hti_pro: | sh$^ i need another bottle |
| [21:28:48] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, i must now play sam & max 2x05 |
| [21:28:57] | hti_pro: | maybe thats what my computer needs to, a nice big drink |
| [21:28:59] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, it's s&m day! season finale! |
| [21:29:04] | natoka: | args /me should learn to read error messages more careful |
| [21:29:13] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, What's the reason for the shorter season this time, anyway? |
| [21:30:28] | ** hti_pro gives computer a nice big drink of his cognac. Sparks fly, pretty explosion ensues ** | |
| [21:30:59] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, NFI |
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| [21:33:37] | hti_pro: | figured out the log prob, somehow the log files changed owners |
| [21:34:01] | hti_pro: | i think it is because i started mythbackend as a normal user |
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| [21:35:30] | hti_pro: | here is my big feature request, in system info, in the tuner status you should be able to hit enter for extremely detailed info |
| [21:35:41] | hti_pro: | such as related log messages and error |
| [21:36:25] | hti_pro: | you think myth developers would take that one |
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| [21:36:44] | stuarta: | hti_pro: we are open to code submissions :) |
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| [21:37:17] | hti_pro: | i wish i was a programmer, unfortunately i am a newbie to c right now, I assume that is the language used |
| [21:37:29] | stuarta: | no, c++ |
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| [21:37:45] | hti_pro: | not even newbie status to c++ |
| [21:38:04] | jams: | you know its a bad day when you install windows xp to relax |
| [21:38:27] | hti_pro: | i get stressed just seein anything microsoft |
| [21:38:39] | hti_pro: | my blood pressure is rising just knowing that your seeing it |
| [21:38:51] | stuarta: | jams: you did a bad bad thing |
| [21:39:09] | ** stuarta admits to doing the same thing last weekend ** | |
| [21:39:12] | ericpersson: | Is there some hardware that can add my output from the computer, as an added channel into an existing analog antenna cable? |
| [21:39:28] | hti_pro: | stuarta: any ideas on troubleshooting my issue |
| [21:40:23] | stuarta: | not just at the moment |
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| [21:40:43] | hti_pro: | ericpersson: your wanting a modulator, but you would also need something to convert vga to composite, assuming you are using vga |
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| [21:41:00] | jams: | stuarta- yeah i know but tired of hooking up the laptop for streaming netflix. Just going to dedicate a machine to it |
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| [21:41:20] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: i have a composite output... ok, didnt know what it was called, will try to google for modulator.. |
| [21:41:30] | stuarta: | heck, i might even start attempting to build the win frontend |
| [21:41:31] | hti_pro: | ericpersson: you also need a video mixer if you want to pipe it through existing cable though |
| [21:41:50] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: aha, i see. |
| [21:42:03] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: you know any brands or products? |
| [21:42:09] | ajh: | well, treating it like a 4 port switch seems to work for now. |
| [21:42:10] | hti_pro: | not off the top of my head |
| [21:42:54] | hti_pro: | ericpersson: hang on |
| [21:42:55] | ajh: | so it's probably just something in the code limiting it to 4 vs 8 for no good reason, I'll have to poke around when I get back home. |
| [21:44:56] | hti_pro: | ercpersson: how much you lookin to spend |
| [21:45:14] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: not sure, dont know the ballpark.. |
| [21:45:20] | iamlindoro__: | I hope you're not looking up QAM modulators for him, since he's talking about *analog* cable.. |
| [21:45:31] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: figure the last one should work? http://www.futurehomesystems.com/v114.shtml |
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| [21:46:43] | hti_pro: | probably upward around $200 is an average price for distribution panel |
| [21:46:55] | ericpersson: | iamlindoro_: qam modulators? |
| [21:47:27] | iamlindoro__: | don't worry about it |
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| [21:47:59] | hti_pro: | http://www.smarthome.com/_/ProductResults.asp . . . %20modulator |
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| [21:48:32] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: second one should work? |
| [21:48:50] | hti_pro: | ercpersson: check that out it gets pretty complicated, you may even need a notch filter unless you use a tuneable modulator and use an unused channel |
| [21:48:57] | hti_pro: | second one on what page |
| [21:49:19] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: on the page you sent.. |
| [21:49:47] | hti_pro: | yeah but it doesnt come with a modulator or a notch filter |
| [21:50:11] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: aha, so i first need a modulator and then a distribution panel like that one? |
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| [21:50:36] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: thought i could get it all in one, |
| [21:50:38] | PatrickDK: | you don't need a distribution panel like that, but it does make it more simple |
| [21:50:51] | hti_pro: | i think you would be better going with Net Media MM73 Triple Play Modulator on the page you sent and the combiner it recommends |
| [21:50:55] | PatrickDK: | you need a modulator, should get a notch filter, and split it into the cable |
| [21:50:55] | ericpersson: | what becomes more simple? |
| [21:51:07] | hti_pro: | they do have all in ones, but i don't see any listed |
| [21:51:10] | PatrickDK: | ericpersson, getting the signal levels right |
| [21:51:23] | hti_pro: | do you have digital cable |
| [21:51:39] | ericpersson: | PatrickDK: thought it would fix that for me more or less automatically, but I guess this is trickier then I expected.. |
| [21:52:41] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: no, I have a analog cable from my cable company coming from the wall, and would like to add 1 channel(image/sound from computer) to that cable, since it runs around in the apartment, to get away from putting out new cables everywhere.. |
| [21:52:57] | PatrickDK: | ericpersson, http://www.smarthome.com/images/7704cmdgm.gif |
| [21:53:04] | PatrickDK: | that is as simple as it gets, if everything just works :) |
| [21:53:08] | hti_pro: | that should work fine with the setup above |
| [21:53:22] | hti_pro: | Net Media MM73 Triple Play Modulator on the page you sent and the combiner it recommends |
| [21:54:23] | hti_pro: | or even with this modulator Net Media MM70 Micro Modulator |
| [21:54:23] | ericpersson: | PatrickDK: good picture, thanks.. |
| [21:55:39] | hti_pro: | should work, depending on what channels the modulator is capable of, and assuming it doesnt correspond with an already used channel |
| [21:55:55] | ericpersson: | the mm70 and a combiner should work.. |
| [21:56:22] | ericpersson: | what happens if its already used, does it take one or mess them both up? |
| [21:56:25] | hti_pro: | the latter modulator is capable of (UHF 14–69, CATV 70–94 & 100–125), im not sure about the first, it doesnt say |
| [21:56:56] | hti_pro: | it depends on which is stronger, but there will undoubtedly be interference, hence the need for a notch filter |
| [21:57:10] | ericpersson: | hehe..ok.. |
| [21:57:29] | ericpersson: | guess i can order the mm70 and a combiner to try.. its not that expensive.. |
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| [21:58:36] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: found this on a store available nearby, will try that, its in swedish though, http://www.clasohlson.se/Product/Product.aspx?id=19422190 |
| [21:58:39] | hti_pro: | whats the highest channel you get |
| [21:59:12] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: have no idea actually. :) |
| [21:59:20] | hti_pro: | that should give you more flexibility in selecting a channel |
| [21:59:45] | ericpersson: | just knowing that the thing is called a rf-modulator made it a lot easier to find.. |
| [22:00:04] | ericpersson: | well, I only have like 10 channels so the chances are hight I will find some empty spot.. |
| [22:00:28] | hti_pro: | http://www.smarthome.com/7822c.html heres a notch filter that will block anything above 86. |
| [22:00:44] | hti_pro: | yeah you should definitely be good to go with the mm70 and combiner |
| [22:00:53] | ericpersson: | ahh, nice.. |
| [22:01:08] | ericpersson: | notchfilter..strange name.. |
| [22:01:33] | hti_pro: | kindof, they also have ones that can be tuned to block just one channel, but they are expensive though |
| [22:01:57] | ericpersson: | yeah, think it'll be enough with something cheap.. |
| [22:02:02] | ericpersson: | hopefully.. |
| [22:02:06] | hti_pro: | if you are really looking for quality i think amx makes what you need, but they would probably be alot more expensive than what you already found |
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| [22:02:32] | hti_pro: | i'd definitely go with the mm70 if cost is an issue |
| [22:02:33] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: amx is a brand? |
| [22:02:42] | hti_pro: | i believe so, i may be wrong |
| [22:02:54] | ericpersson: | hti_pro: yeah, i'll try the one I found at my local shop first though.. |
| [22:03:05] | hti_pro: | it has been a little while, I am a home tech. integrator, but i've been out of the game for a while |
| [22:03:17] | ericpersson: | hehe..ok.. |
| [22:03:45] | hti_pro: | yeah check out www.amx.com |
| [22:04:01] | ericpersson: | thanks.. will do.. |
| [22:04:11] | ericpersson: | thanks a lot for all the ideas.. |
| [22:04:41] | ericpersson: | ohh.. amx seems to have a lot of fun stuff.. |
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| [22:05:36] | ericpersson: | thanks again, will head for bed now.. |
| [22:05:36] | hti_pro: | oh yeah if you can afford it, sometimes you can get pretty cheap off of ebay |
| [22:05:41] | hti_pro: | enjoy |
| [22:05:46] | ericpersson: | thanks. :) |
| [22:10:03] | ** jimbalaya dreads reinstalling the lirc modules in debian :-/ ** | |
| [22:10:44] | jimbalaya: | there's no way around module rebuilding with kernel upgrades, right? (even if I'm upgrading to the same version?) |
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| [22:50:32] | natoka: | hmm, either i quite don't get where the info can be displayed about the detected commercials or the detection simply does not work |
| [22:50:45] | natoka: | in my case ... |
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| [22:51:29] | natoka: | i suppose pressing e while playing back a recording should give an overview about the detected commercials, shouldn't it? |
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| [22:53:47] | iamlindoro: | No |
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| [22:54:12] | iamlindoro: | E Just opens up the edit options/screen |
| [22:54:33] | iamlindoro: | You have to load the commflagging into that if you intend to use them as cutpoints |
| [22:54:46] | iamlindoro: | e, then z |
| [22:55:23] | iamlindoro: | If no cutpoints get inserted then, then commflagging was not run or no commercials were detected |
| [22:56:04] | MaverickTech: | morning all |
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| [22:56:24] | stuarta: | evening |
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| [22:56:27] | MaverickTech: | I am running svn from from about 2 weeks back, prior to the QT4 changes |
| [22:56:52] | MaverickTech: | hows the bleeding edge trunk at the moment, worth a look for the adventurous ? |
| [22:57:10] | stuarta: | if you are willing to keep both pieces if it breaks |
| [22:57:48] | MaverickTech: | :) |
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| [22:58:23] | MaverickTech: | as long as there is no smoke associated, then I'd be fine |
| [22:59:36] | stuarta: | then give it a whirl. |
| [22:59:52] | stuarta: | dunno if i'd use it in production yet |
| [23:00:01] | TelnetManta: | anyone know what would cause this to happen in be log when trying to watch tv? |
| [23:00:20] | MaverickTech: | my family is used to the main tv being used as a mythtv test |
| [23:00:21] | TelnetManta: | Preview Error: Previewer file |
| [23:00:41] | TelnetManta: | Preview Error: Run() file not local: |
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| [23:00:51] | TelnetManta: | Preview Error: Preview process not ok. |
| [23:00:59] | stuarta: | MaverickTech: well you've been warned :-P |
| [23:01:19] | MaverickTech: | it's been running trunk for about 18 months now – usually not lagging behind the bleeding edge by more than a fortnight |
| [23:01:34] | MaverickTech: | stuarta: thanks for the warning |
| [23:01:46] | stuarta: | heh, seems to be working for me atm. |
| [23:01:52] | MaverickTech: | cool |
| [23:01:54] | stuarta: | even though i just broke it :) |
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| [23:02:43] | MaverickTech: | my schedule mods I have made are still working in trunk, so I am happy with svn at the moment |
| [23:02:56] | MaverickTech: | I am really keen to look at the qt4 changes though |
| [23:03:23] | stuarta: | give it a whirl then <insert usual disclaimer here> |
| [23:04:55] | ** MaverickTech practises his best '(l)user whiney voice' – "I loaded trunk and it broke my system – you have to fix it – I missed taping Oprah – my life has ended – fix it fix it fix it" ** | |
| [23:04:57] | stuarta: | as always, have a backout strategy... |
| [23:04:58] | TelnetManta: | guess I'll try a reinstall |
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| [23:06:39] | stuarta: | i had fun over the last week or two working out how to make my dev machine be both a production slave backend and a head backend/frontend |
| [23:08:35] | stuarta: | MaverickTech: btw, the qt4 changes aren't exciting |
| [23:09:01] | stuarta: | it's just qt3->qt4 porting |
| [23:09:44] | stuarta: | if it works it's a bonus... :) |
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| [23:16:16] | MaverickTech: | thanks stuarta |
| [23:16:41] | stuarta: | np |
| [23:16:45] | MaverickTech: | off out now, but I will backup everythign in sight, and have a bash a svn-trunk later :D |
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| [23:20:07] | tuxi: | hi |
| [23:20:36] | tuxi: | anyone knows where / how i can configure mythtv that way it will display on monitor2 (tv) instead of monitor1(crt) |
| [23:20:54] | tuxi: | they are running in twinview mode |
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| [23:22:37] | jimbalaya: | has anyone else experienced MythMusic being inaccessible (with apparently no log output) after the upgrade to .21? |
| [23:23:07] | cesman: | tuxi: I'd say check the MythTV archives |
| [23:23:33] | jimbalaya: | this includes configuration (Utilities/Setup-Music Tools ... and .... Utilities/Setup-Setup-Media Settings-Music Settings) |
| [23:23:48] | adante: | hrm |
| [23:24:15] | adante: | just upgraded to myth 0.21 in ubuntu, but i don't seem to have any themes anymore |
| [23:24:32] | adante: | themes metapackage is installed, am i supposed to install individual themes now? |
| [23:25:49] | ShiftyPowers: | i'm such an idiot, i should really not play around trying to install SVN |
| [23:25:50] | ShiftyPowers: | every time |
| [23:25:54] | ShiftyPowers: | it just breaks :) |
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| [23:26:38] | tuxi: | cesman, what do you mean exactly |
| [23:28:07] | iamlindoro: | He means search the users list, it's been covered many times |
| [23:28:55] | anenigma: | how well does myth handle DPMS? as in, will myth automatically switch the tv "on" (switch dpms off) when a button is pressed, or do I need the irexec entry in the lirc file still? |
| [23:30:50] | kormoc: | anenigma, you don't really understand dpms. myth turns off dpms when it's playing a video and turns it on when it's paused or at a menu. dpms itself controls the blanking based on idleness |
| [23:31:07] | kormoc: | anenigma, so it's not a per button thing that myth or any other app controls |
| [23:32:10] | ShiftyPowers: | anyone know the best way to purge an SVN installation of mythtv? |
| [23:32:19] | ShiftyPowers: | want to try reinstalling completely |
| [23:32:25] | anenigma: | ok. if myth is at a menu, and idle so that it goes blank on the screen, will it automatically come back on when myth recieves an event? |
| [23:32:31] | kormoc: | ShiftyPowers, rm <insert files here> |
| [23:32:41] | ShiftyPowers: | kormoc, of course |
| [23:32:42] | kormoc: | anenigma, yes |
| [23:32:44] | ShiftyPowers: | but which ones :) |
| [23:33:02] | anenigma: | kormoc: aah, cool. thanks :) |
| [23:33:13] | kormoc: | ShiftyPowers, that depends on the version and all that. you might want to do another make install and capture the output and use that to generate your file list |
| [23:33:24] | ShiftyPowers: | ah, good idea |
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| [23:35:36] | Anduin: | make uninstall can get you part of the way there as well |
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| [23:39:09] | mikeones: | or make dist-clean |
| [23:39:30] | kormoc: | make dist-clean only affects the source dir, not the instaled files |
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| [23:39:38] | kormoc: | it removes all the .o's and the like |
| [23:40:00] | mikeones: | I see |
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| [23:48:09] | jimbalaya: | does anyone have any suggestions (log files i might not know about, upgrade documentation, anything at all) as to why MythMusic would stop working with virtually no log output (i did happen to glimpse some output on the terminal about being unable to use/load the mythmusic plugin |
| [23:48:32] | stuarta: | recompiled lately? |
| [23:48:46] | ShiftyPowers: | has anyone compiled SVN lately? |
| [23:48:53] | ShiftyPowers: | wondering if anyone has mythfrontend seg faulting |
| [23:49:01] | jimbalaya: | I've just upgraded to .21 (I'm in debian etch) |
| [23:49:03] | stuarta: | it's working for me right now |
| [23:49:32] | ShiftyPowers: | stuarta, when was the last time you upgraded? |
| [23:49:35] | ShiftyPowers: | or compiled? |
| [23:49:44] | stuarta: | segfaulting frontend is a symptom of things building/linking/running against the wrong libs |
| [23:49:51] | stuarta: | a few hours ago |
| [23:50:35] | ShiftyPowers: | that's what i'm trying to figure out |
| [23:50:45] | ShiftyPowers: | i've removed all the files completely and trying to recompile again |
| [23:50:49] | ShiftyPowers: | see if that fixes it |
| [23:50:50] | jimbalaya: | i just uninstalled the mythmusic plugin, then re-installed it ... no help .... i guess i'll try a reboot (?) |
| [23:51:06] | stuarta: | no, reboot is for windows users |
| [23:51:41] | stuarta: | jimbalaya: did you do a make distclean of the plugins and rebuild them first? |
| [23:51:54] | jimbalaya: | one odd thing is that most of my myth* apps are '0.21–0.11etch1' ... mythmusic and mythvideo (which works fine) are '0.21–0.6etch1' |
| [23:52:17] | stuarta: | that could be your problem then |
| [23:52:38] | jimbalaya: | my entire system is (as close as i can get it – nvidia, lirc, ndiswrapper modules aside) a standard stable debian install |
| [23:53:14] | jimbalaya: | i'm installing all myth-related software via debian-multimedia repositories ............ *maybe* the mirror isn't up to date ... |
| [23:53:26] | stuarta: | maybe |
| [23:54:12] | jimbalaya: | nope, 'http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/mai . . . thmusic.php' lists it as -0.6etch1 |
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| [23:58:04] | SlicerDicer: | anybody here able to help me with schedules direct? |
| [23:59:07] | kormoc: | what bout it? |
| [23:59:08] | CyberKnet: | SlicerDicer: I'm not affiliated, but what seems to be the problem? |
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