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Sunday, April 6th, 2008, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:17] justinh: for mythvideo, all settings are common
[00:00:34] justinh: other than the per-frontend video playback profiles of course
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[00:15:01] ^Willie^: is mythtv using the database to store all media ?
[00:15:41] rmariani: anybody successfully managed to network 2 windows computer using IPv6 (not ipv4)  ? willing to donate money
[00:16:20] ^Willie^: windows have ipv6 support but it must be installed
[00:16:33] ** cesman wonders what channel he is in... **
[00:17:06] ^Willie^: why ipv6 btw and why windows ?.. using linux only :) who need windows exept for photoshop and flash studio ;)
[00:17:07] Anduin: ^Willie^: "all media"?
[00:17:36] ^Willie^: Anduin: i saw it stores the recorded stuff in the db or looks like it is doing that .. is it doing the same with each mp3 i wana play ?
[00:17:50] hadees: C doesn't seem to be changing my tuners
[00:18:05] hadees: is that the right button to switch tuners?
[00:18:11] Anduin: ^Willie^: it stores metadata in the DB, not actual media data (so the song filename and info, not the song)
[00:18:20] hadees: when watching live tv
[00:18:33] ^Willie^: Anduin: hmmzz someone did told me the wrong aguments i guess
[00:19:35] ^Willie^: Anduin: the first period the media system will be used for audio only and later for watching satalite and cable tv.. someone told me he did never wanted to play his mp3`s via mythtv cause the db will be to big .. but what is big anyway :S
[00:20:12] ^Willie^: on the other side i do like the multi functinality that mythtv have like wheather/games/videos/tv/pictures
[00:20:19] ^Willie^: and also audio
[00:20:39] Anduin: ^Willie^: it is silly, the DB size doesn't come close to the size of what you play/watch
[00:21:25] ^Willie^: i guess having 125gb of mp3 files unsorted spread over 4 systems is more silly then put it all together on one system with mythtv and share it to the whole house .
[00:22:19] Anduin: ^Willie^: My largest table is about 80 MB and that is seek info for about 190 recordings.
[00:22:46] ^Willie^: 512kb per song ?
[00:22:50] ^Willie^: or per item
[00:23:21] ^Willie^: that is more then only the song/album/artist info i guess .. an tumbnais included ?
[00:23:52] Anduin: ^Willie^: that was for video, I only have about 3000 mp3s/audio files that MythTV plays, the size is inconsequential
[00:24:45] ^Willie^: is it posible to link an p2p client in mythtv ? i have seen a feature lik that for bittorent and an win32 media centre app ..
[00:25:01] ^Willie^: that app did show for that guy`s series if there where new releases
[00:25:05] Anduin: ^Willie^: all p2p conversations are off-topic
[00:25:13] ^Willie^: hmmzz is there a reason for ?
[00:25:42] Anduin: ^Willie^: Yeah, people largely use it to pirate files, something the project never wants to be associated with.
[00:27:43] ^Willie^: i se it in an other way then pirate but i do understand your point
[00:28:40] hadees: this is really weird, i don't know if the function changed but when i press C it won't change tuners and i noticed that when I am on tuners that have different sources, ie my DVB and my 500 when i press the up and down arrows to pick the channel it won't show the channels for the other tuners. Although they show up in program guide find and i can tune to them by putting in the channel numbers
[00:29:06] TelnetManta: anyone know how to enable remote desktop via ssh session?
[00:29:29] TelnetManta: I have a new headless BE in my closet and need to vnc in.
[00:29:47] ^Willie^: TelnetManta: xorg-x11 have his own remote desktop protocol that can be tunneled via ssh
[00:30:01] Anduin: TelnetManta: You can forward the vnc port with ssh, better question for a distro or linux channel though.
[00:30:14] ^Willie^: kde have out of da box vnc support
[00:30:36] ^Willie^: krfb/krdc
[00:30:36] TelnetManta: I'll try the ubuntu chan
[00:31:01] toorima: TelnetManta: if u dont have vnc on the box, just apt-get it, add 3 lines to xorg.conf and restart gdm
[00:31:05] ^Willie^: vnc did not work verry stable at here anyway ..
[00:31:42] Anduin: TelnetManta: the ports you want generally start at 5900
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[00:37:43] TelnetManta: toorima: hmm
[00:37:52] TelnetManta: let me see if its on the box
[00:37:59] TelnetManta: this is a fres mythbuntu 8 install
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[00:38:36] TelnetManta: toorima: But I dont want regular vnc, I want to control the logged in users session. Isnt that different in Ubuntu?
[00:40:41] toorima: TelnetManta: i think mythbuntu comes with vnc, its just not enabled, u can enable it either in the controll center or manually bu adding a few lines to xorg, and it is the logged in users session u get by default
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[00:41:01] TelnetManta: k so I just need to figure out how to enable it
[00:41:09] toorima: TelnetManta: 5900 is logged in user, if u do 5901 i think u get a new session
[00:41:36] TelnetManta: yeah its not already enabled
[00:42:34] toorima: TelnetManta: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf add Load "vnc" to section "Module"
[00:43:31] toorima: TelnetManta: then add these 3 lines to section "screen"
[00:43:34] toorima: Option "SecurityTypes" "VncAuth"
[00:43:34] toorima: Option "UserPasswdVerifier" "VncAuth"
[00:43:35] toorima: Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd"
[00:44:13] toorima: TelnetManta: hmm cant remmember how to set the password right now tho
[00:44:48] toorima: TelnetManta: but then u done this, restart gdm by sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[00:45:13] toorima: TelnetManta: and that should be it
[00:46:29] toorima: TelnetManta: try vncpasswd to sett vnc password
[00:47:25] TelnetManta: nogo
[00:47:31] TelnetManta: connection refused
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[00:48:23] dustybin: toorima: heres the solution
[00:48:35] dustybin: the easy way to use vnc on a debian based distro
[00:48:59] dustybin: first install this
[00:49:00] toorima: i dont use vnc anymore, so this was from old memory hehe
[00:49:03] dustybin: x11vnc – VNC server which uses your current X11 session
[00:49:26] dustybin: run it then connect to it, easy
[00:49:29] dustybin: no more setting up needed
[00:49:44] toorima: k cool, didnt know about that
[00:51:04] TelnetManta: dustybin: how do I start it?
[00:51:24] dustybin: x11vnc --help
[00:51:38] toorima: TelnetManta: sudo /etc/init.d/x11vnc start?
[00:51:48] GreyFoxx: I just use x11vnc -display :0
[00:51:59] GreyFoxx: then vnc directly to it
[00:52:11] TelnetManta: toorima: didnt see it there
[00:52:14] GreyFoxx: when you exit vnc it will shutdown
[00:52:53] TelnetManta: worked great
[00:53:11] TelnetManta: thanks
[00:53:42] justinh: hmm I thought I'd remembered rightly. that bar over the left hand side of the show listings in 'watch/delete recordings' is always there. bummer
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[00:58:24] TelnetManta: need to google to see if I can easily change mythbuntu to use gnome :-)
[00:58:52] justinh: sudo apt-get install gnome ?
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[00:59:19] gene2: does anyone know if there is a way to change the use of port 6547 by frontend?
[01:00:08] justinh: not mean 6546?
[01:00:34] gene2: nope, 6547. when i start frontend I notice 6547 is listening for something
[01:00:42] gene2: 6546 is that network service that can be changed
[01:01:53] GreyFoxx: gene2: Why change it ?
[01:02:11] justinh: more to the point what is it?
[01:02:12] gene2: APC Powerchute network shutdown uses that port as well, that app comes in a binary form
[01:02:14] GreyFoxx: aHHH just saw what you said
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[01:02:23] GreyFoxx: justinh: the port mythfe uses for upnp/xml stuff
[01:02:34] jams: it's for upnp
[01:02:41] justinh: ahhh!
[01:02:44] GreyFoxx: gene2: I don't remember if it's hardcoded or not, lemme look
[01:02:57] Anduin: It isn't, UPnP/MythFrontend/ServicePort
[01:03:05] GreyFoxx: Cool
[01:03:21] gene2: where can it be changed Anduin?
[01:03:27] Anduin: gene2: config.xml
[01:03:41] GreyFoxx: There is no gui menu to change it right now
[01:04:25] Anduin: gene2: in ~/.mythtv
[01:04:51] gene2: hmm i'm there now, I don't see it there at all
[01:05:10] GreyFoxx: You can change it in the DB as well
[01:05:28] GreyFoxx: I've started a little upnp settings page I should add that too
[01:05:54] gene2: in config.xml there is no setting for it, or do I have it to enter it manually?
[01:06:06] GreyFoxx: I've never looked at config.xml myself
[01:06:29] Anduin: gene2: Yes, I didn't know that setting was in the DB
[01:07:57] gene2: Could you please guide me how to change it in config.xml? and if I change it what service uses it and how will it affect it?
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[01:12:03] gene2: i just searched the entire DB and I don't see 6547 anywhere
[01:12:14] Anduin: gene2: You would change the xml and add an entry named ServicePort, it is used for the UPnP media rendered interface int he frontend
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[01:13:48] gene2: ok, so I should doo <ServicePort>XXXX</ServicePort>
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[01:14:38] Anduin: gene2: Yes, in the correct place though (follow the slashes)
[01:14:57] gene2: under <MythFrontend> right?
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[01:16:19] Anduin: Yeah
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[01:16:25] gene2: thank you, trying now
[01:18:13] gene2: thank you!!!!
[01:18:16] gene2: works great
[01:18:22] rmariani: anybody successfully managed to network 2 windows computer using IPv6 (not ipv4)  ? willing to donate money
[01:18:30] gene2: now my network shutdown is up
[01:20:51] hadees: does anyone know how to enable ffmpeg on gentoo to accept mythtv recordings as the input, i'm running ffmpeg -i "${directory}" -acodec libfaac -ab ${abitrate} -ac 2 -s ${width}x${height} -vcodec mpeg4 -b ${vbitrate} -flags +aic+mv4+trell -mbd 2 -cmp 2 -subcmp 2 -g 250 -maxrate 512k -bufsize 2M -title "${file}" "${directory}.mp4" in a script but Unsupported codec (id=86020) for input stream #0.1 when i run it again a mythtv recording
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[01:24:18] iamlindoro_: hadees: need to build your ffmpeg with proper support for AC3
[01:24:55] iamlindoro_: rmariani: why are you asking about networking windows computers in what is more-or-less a linux chat room? Ask somewhere they do windows, perhaps?
[01:25:16] rmariani: linux? i don't see any linux on the room name
[01:25:37] iamlindoro_: rmariani: #mythtv is a linux application-- what is it you expect us to do for you?
[01:26:03] iamlindoro_: your question has *nothing* to do with what we do in here
[01:26:23] rmariani: what is mythtv anyway?
[01:26:36] iamlindoro_: If you don't know then why are you here?
[01:26:54] iamlindoro_: and why would you ask in a random channel?
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[01:27:19] ** iamlindoro_ dusts off his hands. **
[01:27:25] iamlindoro_: another satisfied customer!
[01:29:54] hadees: iamlindoro_, any idea which USE flag that might be for ffmpeg?
[01:30:03] hadees: i don't see ac3
[01:30:10] iamlindoro: nope, probably something relating to liba52
[01:30:20] hadees: ah there is a a52
[01:38:06] toorima: iamlindoro: hi did u get my priv msg?
[01:39:29] iamlindoro: yes. I don't provide any support for that script, though, I shared it because others might find it useful. As tvRage has changed their format, any updates will have to wait until I get around to doing them
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[01:40:40] toorima: iamlindoro: ok well it is a great script
[01:40:51] iamlindoro: thanks-- will probably make an update in the next week or two.
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[01:41:52] toorima: ok thx, btw what is the website u have it on? the mac url doesn't work anymore
[01:42:06] iamlindoro: mac URL works fine, stop using firefox beta 3 ;)
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[01:42:15] toorima: ok haha
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[02:04:29] jsumners: shouldn't mythweather scripts execute as the user that runs mythtv?
[02:07:02] hadees: jsumners, don't they?
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[02:07:30] iamlindoro: toorima: OK, you convinced me.... will ahve an updated version up in five or so
[02:07:48] iamlindoro: toorima: Thank you for being polite, it goes a long way toward motivating me to do the work
[02:10:34] iamlindoro: toorima: updated version now available
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[02:17:45] toorima: iamlindoro: oh nice man, thx I appreciate it
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[02:18:54] purserj: hrmm
[02:21:00] jsumners: hadees: well, i set the PERL5LIB environment variable for my mythtv user but the mythweather scripts seem to be ignoring it
[02:21:16] jsumners: other perl scripts executed by the same user see it just fine
[02:24:23] hadees: iamlindoro, what does you script do with tvrage?
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[02:44:14] darkfrog: Hey guys, I have two myth boxes. A master and a slave. The master records and I can watch tv just fine on it. The slave I can watch videos with sound but watching recordings or live tv has no sound. Anyone know what would cause that?
[02:50:24] anenigma: videos as in using mythvideo and the internal player?
[02:50:30] darkfrog: yes
[02:51:16] fryfrog: that is weird :/
[02:51:25] darkfrog: that's what I thought. :o
[02:51:27] Yahooadam: darkfrog – do you know sound is actually working on the second pc?
[02:51:29] fryfrog: obviously the recordings have sound, since you hear it on the master, right?
[02:51:41] Yahooadam: oh sorry
[02:51:43] darkfrog: Yahooadam, yes, I can watch videos with sound
[02:51:43] Yahooadam: misread :p
[02:51:50] darkfrog: fryfrog, right
[02:52:11] fryfrog: are you *ure* mythvideo is using the internal player, not mplayer or xine?
[02:52:17] fryfrog: and by ure i mean sure
[02:52:27] darkfrog: :)
[02:52:43] Yahooadam: does mythvideo use the PCM audio channel?
[02:52:56] darkfrog: oh...wait...I might be an idiot...let me check something. :o
[02:53:28] fryfrog: what, you turned off your ears during testing?
[02:54:49] Yahooadam: quick question, marginally mythtv related in its end use :p
[02:54:49] Yahooadam: i was wondering, how complex is it to use Core1 of PC2, as another processor core on PC1? (and are there any good guides?)(over a network)
[02:56:02] darkfrog: hehe
[02:56:24] darkfrog: no, I'm using mplayer to play videos in the slave
[02:56:41] fryfrog: Yahooadam: that would depend on the purpose, but only in very specific cases is that useful
[02:56:48] darkfrog: I can't adjust volume either while in the recording with [ and ]
[02:56:48] fryfrog: compiling you can use distcc
[02:57:04] fryfrog: but if you are thinking "speed up my video playback" or something, that isn't really possible
[02:57:27] fryfrog: basically a network just isn't fast enough to do anything useful like that
[02:57:28] darkfrog: I'm going to try adjusting the volume with alsamixer
[02:57:53] fryfrog: you can send small amounts of data that result in lots of cpu usage (rendering farm, number crunching, encoding of video, etc)
[02:58:12] fryfrog: but each case is going to be something very specific you use
[02:58:21] Yahooadam: i see
[02:58:53] fryfrog: what was your lofty dream?
[02:59:54] Yahooadam: to allow video proccessing to be done on PC1, while allowing other rubbish to run over the network
[03:00:25] Yahooadam: but probably more effort then its worth, and probably wont even work
[03:00:30] fryfrog: i think that is reasonable, i am sure i've read of some "network" aware video encoders
[03:01:03] fryfrog: you could also throw a slave onto the super system and just let it handle encoding / flagging threads
[03:01:03] PatrickDK: network aware video encoding?
[03:01:06] darkfrog: yep, I'm a moron...it defaulted to the wrong device in myth configuration
[03:01:14] fryfrog: darkfrog: score!
[03:01:16] darkfrog: changing the device gave me sound. :)
[03:01:20] darkfrog: thanks for your help guys
[03:01:22] Yahooadam: is there a way to slow down cp, so that it doesnt use 100% cpu and network?
[03:01:23] PatrickDK: heh, I would just rather distributed videos to machines to process, than attempt to split a single video to process
[03:01:29] fryfrog: PatrickDK: well, not "network aware" but like... distributed video encoding
[03:01:46] fryfrog: yeah, that'd be the simple way of doing it
[03:01:53] fryfrog: just encode one video on pc1, another on pc2
[03:01:54] PatrickDK: ya, distriubted compiling, and rendering is easy
[03:01:56] darkfrog: why couldn't it have been a very slight, but easily correctable bug in MythTV...why does it always have to be my fault? :o
[03:02:05] fryfrog: ahha
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[03:02:30] Yahooadam: 99% of problems are between keyboard and chair
[03:02:33] darkfrog: oh well...watching recordings with sound should get me past my depression. ;)
[03:02:33] fryfrog: if you setup a slave on the cpu-extra pc, that is what you'd end up doing
[03:02:37] PatrickDK: I just gone done doing some nice distributed webstats generation
[03:02:43] darkfrog: l8r guys
[03:02:48] fryfrog: neat, i didn't know you could do that
[03:03:01] PatrickDK: but that is based on domain it generates stats for
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[03:03:09] PatrickDK: since my company has 18k domains currently
[03:03:29] PatrickDK: about 8k of them actually get hit, per day
[03:03:40] fryfrog: oic
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[03:04:05] PatrickDK: I didn't need to distribute it, but just incase one of the machines is shutdown :)
[03:04:37] ** Yahooadam shuts down the master machine :p **
[03:04:45] PatrickDK: there is no master :)
[03:05:26] fryfrog: ohz noz, no master!
[03:05:33] Yahooadam: how do you keep track of the data/work to be done without having some sort of machine controlling the operation?
[03:05:35] PatrickDK: hehe :)
[03:05:41] fryfrog: i wonder if polically correct will ever hit like mysql and stuff
[03:05:42] PatrickDK: database
[03:05:45] fryfrog: master / slave :/
[03:06:09] PatrickDK: work to be done is entered into database
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[03:06:23] Yahooadam: so your "master" machine is the database server :p
[03:06:24] PatrickDK: all machines watch for it, and grab an entry if one is to be had
[03:06:31] PatrickDK: there are two database servers
[03:06:35] PatrickDK: so no
[03:06:49] Yahooadam: just shut them both down :p
[03:06:58] PatrickDK: that would be bad
[03:07:06] Yahooadam: probably not that much harder to shut the other down if you could shut down the first
[03:07:15] clever: Yahooadam: ive ran mplayer thru plain x11 forwarding before
[03:07:18] PatrickDK: ya, they are in the same blade chassis :)
[03:07:24] clever: h264 decoding on system x
[03:07:31] clever: Xserver on system y(400mhz)
[03:07:38] clever: but it ate a ton of bandwidth
[03:07:50] Yahooadam: ive got gigabit :p
[03:07:53] clever: tcp right between mplayer and X
[03:08:00] PatrickDK: that would need 10gigabit or more
[03:08:05] clever: no ssh -X in the middle to make x lag like crap
[03:08:13] clever: ive done it without any trouble over 100mbit
[03:08:57] PatrickDK: hmm, I'm coming up with 1.5gigabit
[03:09:02] Yahooadam: lol. HD on a 400mhz computer? :p
[03:09:07] PatrickDK: for hd atleast
[03:09:18] clever: Yahooadam: the 400mhz wasnt doing any of the decoding
[03:09:27] clever: all decoding was at the 'client' end of the X11 connection
[03:09:27] PatrickDK: maybe I should include packet headers in this :)
[03:09:40] PatrickDK: clever, what size screen?
[03:09:44] clever: i forget
[03:09:48] Yahooadam: so mplayer runs on the 400mhz PC?
[03:09:58] clever: mplayer runs on a faster system
[03:10:03] PatrickDK: 1920x1080i = 1.8gigabit about
[03:10:06] clever: forwarding the RAW video to the 400mhz
[03:10:08] clever: over x11
[03:10:08] PatrickDK: with packet headers
[03:10:31] clever: ive got VO: [xv] 856x480 => 856x480 Planar YV12 [fs]
[03:10:35] clever: going right now over 100mbit
[03:10:47] PatrickDK: yuk, 12bit?
[03:11:02] clever: VIDEO: [H264] 856x480 24bpp 23.976 fps 898.3 kbps (109.7 kbyte/s)
[03:11:10] clever: VDec: vo config request – 856 x 480 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12)
[03:11:10] clever: VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0)
[03:11:11] clever: VO: [x11] 856x480 => 856x480 Planar YV12 [fs]
[03:11:15] clever: [swscaler @ 0x88556e8]SwScaler: using unscaled yuv420p -> rgb32 special converter
[03:11:19] Yahooadam: you really need to document some of this weird stuff u do clever :p
[03:11:34] clever: the colors arent noticable bad
[03:11:36] PatrickDK: clever, 856x480x24 yv12 = 118mbit
[03:11:42] clever: but i can see the video frames breaking up now
[03:11:49] clever: when forced to x11 vo
[03:12:11] clever: with it left to somehow doing xv without shared memory its working faster
[03:12:25] clever: but it still needs some frame droping
[03:12:28] PatrickDK: Yahooadam, that isn't weird or strange, that is what X was made for
[03:12:55] clever: id like to try it on a 50mhz system next:P
[03:13:02] clever: but i still need to fix the ethernet ont hat
[03:13:06] Yahooadam: how do you change a processes priority in Linux?
[03:13:08] PatrickDK: in my ideal world, I would get a 200mhz or so tablet, no harddrive, no nothing
[03:13:10] clever: i have no idea how to use pcmcia over isa
[03:13:17] PatrickDK: and a nice quad, quadcore system to run the programs on
[03:13:21] clever: PatrickDK: my dying laptop is now nfsroot'ed
[03:13:24] pigeon: hmm, how does mythtv find the freq for channels tunning for analog cards?
[03:13:29] clever: and its a slave backend for commflaging
[03:13:54] clever: i cant transcode anymore either
[03:13:57] pigeon: dvb is working, but the analog can't tune to anything properly.
[03:13:59] clever: segfaults near liblame
[03:14:34] clever: loading backtrace
[03:14:39] clever: #0 0xb68a1bfd in lame_encode_buffer_interleaved () from /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
[03:15:00] Anduin: Yahooadam: nice
[03:15:19] Yahooadam: Anduin – cheers :)
[03:15:27] Yahooadam: and now my dvd plays, yey :)
[03:15:28] clever: any idea on this segfault?
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[03:15:33] Anduin: Yahooadam: or renice if already running
[03:16:18] Yahooadam: i found htop does it, if your root :)
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[03:35:42] mjb: Question: Does anyone understand why mythvideo and mythdvd seem to be mutually exclusive on my system? (Myth 0.21, Ubuntu Gutsy)
[03:36:08] mjb: When I install one, the other one is forced to be deinstalled
[03:36:51] iamlindoro_: because mythvideo in .21 includes mythDVD and MythDVD isn't a discrete package
[03:37:17] iamlindoro_: ie MythDVD has become a part of mythvideo, and any package called mythDVD would by definition be a part of .20
[03:37:52] mjb: Ahhh....thanks for the clue! So, just install mythvideo and forget about mythdvd, then.....
[03:37:56] iamlindoro_: yup
[03:38:45] mjb: Cool, thanks!
[03:38:52] iamlindoro_: np
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[03:39:23] atomjack: can anyone tell me how i can disable upnp from being used with the backend?
[03:39:41] iamlindoro_: mythbackend --noupnp
[03:39:48] atomjack: ahhh
[03:40:06] atomjack: i think it's crashing the backend every once in awhile...the BuildMediaScan never seems to finish, and i end up getitng an out of memory error
[03:40:26] GreyFoxx: atomjack: run mythvideo on the backend
[03:40:34] GreyFoxx: err the mythvideo settings I mean
[03:40:42] GreyFoxx: cause --noupnp wont stop that
[03:40:56] GreyFoxx: make sure that the mythvideo dir is pointed to a valid location
[03:41:19] atomjack: oh run mythfrontend on the backend and check mythvideo settigns?
[03:41:25] GreyFoxx: yeah :)
[03:42:29] atomjack: well it's pointing to /media, which is exactly what the BuildMediaMap thing says it's scanning, and /media is where my 1.4TB raid5 array is mounted on (on the backend)
[03:42:39] GreyFoxx: I assume you are running 0.21 ? Cause the problem, you are describing (mediascan not stopping) should have been fixed long before 0/.21
[03:43:14] atomjack: yeah 0.21–185
[03:43:17] GreyFoxx: You sure it's not completing the scan?
[03:43:45] atomjack: yeah, i've never seen it finish
[03:44:01] atomjack: and from what i've seen in my web searches for most people it finishes rather quickly
[03:44:19] atomjack: running mythbackend --noupnp won't stop it from running?
[03:44:20] GreyFoxx: run the backend with -v all and oit should show any mysql INSERTS
[03:44:25] GreyFoxx: no it will not
[03:45:06] atomjack: hmm i'll try pointing it to an empty directory. i don't even use the upnp shit:)
[03:45:21] atomjack: or maybe /dev/null
[03:45:32] GreyFoxx: well -v all will show if it's actually that which is causinh your problem
[03:45:43] GreyFoxx: cause you will see unending INSERTS To upnpmedia
[03:46:16] atomjack: ok, trying that
[03:46:23] atomjack: yeah
[03:46:25] atomjack: it's doing a shitload
[03:46:33] GreyFoxx: my upnpmedia scan takes 3 seconds to scan 3155 videos via an nfs mount
[03:46:34] atomjack: it's finding all my music...
[03:47:09] GreyFoxx: It will scan everything under your mythvideo pointed location
[03:47:15] atomjack: yeah
[03:47:24] tjcarter: mmm, meltycheese!
[03:47:30] atomjack: ok i'll try pointing it to /dev/null and see if tha thelps..it'll find nothing but that doesn't matter to me
[03:47:50] tjcarter: reason #3 why I can never be vegan
[03:48:47] atomjack: ok, that worked, it found 0 objects
[03:48:49] GreyFoxx: atomjack: Not that it's gonna help ;you but I'm making the media scan completely optional in trunk
[03:48:53] GreyFoxx: cool :)
[03:49:03] hadees: man i am running this mythipod script and it is taking for ever, anyone know how to speed it up?
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[03:49:05] atomjack: hehe
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[03:50:18] hadees: can you offload ffmpeg to other cpus over the network?
[03:50:18] atomjack: thanks for the help greyfoxx. i really hope this fixes it. i actually completely reinstalled linux today hoping that would do it (i upgraded from fedora 6 to fedora 8 via yum recently and thought that might have something to do with it)
[03:50:31] atomjack: imagine my fury when it still crashed, argh
[03:50:40] GreyFoxx: heh
[03:50:55] elg: hi, I'm trying to figure out the way to best utilize my universal remote (pmdvr8). I have a sheet full of codes that it can pretend to be. anyone have a favorite remote that gives you the best access to myth features?
[03:51:22] elg: i.e. what's the best myth remote
[03:51:43] hadees: elg, just find one that utilizes most of your buttons
[03:51:59] elg: yes, that's the quest
[03:52:02] hadees: oh and write down which one you use somewhere
[03:52:16] hadees: it sucks if you forget
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[04:02:07] wrdieter: help
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[04:08:28] ajh: can the myth channel scanner be set to scan one transponder at a time?
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[04:10:33] ajh: or do I manually add transports to do that?
[04:12:23] hadees: anyone use the TVRage script? i don't really understand what it does. I get the part about scraping TVRage but is it grabbing info for shows recorded by MythTV or MythVideo files and where is it dumbing that information? In Recordings table?
[04:12:59] hadees: at first i thought it was like imdb.pl for tv shows which would be cool
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[04:20:27] ajh: are there channels that myth just can't find?
[04:20:54] hadees: ajh, what do you mean?
[04:21:18] hadees: are you taking QAM, STD?
[04:21:25] ajh: I'm trying to scan a dvb-transponder I know exists, but getting no signal.
[04:21:48] hadees: ajh, do you have it set to not grab encrypted channels?
[04:22:32] hadees: i mean if you can view the channel via some other means then mythtv should be able to also
[04:22:45] ajh: I had to enter the transport by hand, and no it's set to grab anything.
[04:22:49] hadees: unless that other means is like a cable box with out firewire
[04:23:41] hadees: ajh, i would wager on the side of you aren't doing something right although i'm no expert in DVB cards although i do have mine setup
[04:24:05] ajh: there's not a whole lot to set though.
[04:24:38] hadees: have you tried having mythtv scan for it?
[04:24:54] hadees: i do have a channel i can't seem to find over QAM
[04:24:57] ajh: yes, and I will again but just wanted to avoid a pile of duplicates
[04:25:34] hadees: but i think that is because it is sending out encryption flags
[04:25:38] hadees: but it isn't actually encrypted
[04:25:49] hadees: but if i get all the encrypted channels i got to dig through like 80
[04:26:08] jsumners: okay, so i managed to get the mythweather scripts to execute, but now i don't see any reports when i try to view them
[04:26:11] hadees: and it takes time because MythTV tells me i have an error each time i try to tune to an encrypted channel
[04:27:40] ajh: ugh
[04:28:36] jsumners: anyone have any ideas why mythweather won't show any details?
[04:30:06] ajh: I would very much like mythtv to export a channels.conf :)
[04:30:22] ajh: I'd re-entered the channels at least 5 times this week for various reasons.
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[04:47:48] hadees: how do you make it default so that all recordings run a user job after they are recorded?
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[05:02:58] clever: hadees: somewhere in the setup:P
[05:03:07] clever: ive seen it recently but dont remember what its called
[05:03:19] hadees: thats where you set it up but i didn't see where you make it default to run
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[05:06:49] clever: hadees: in the setup you can mark jobs to queue on new recording rules
[05:07:00] clever: frontend setup
[05:07:46] hadees: clever, yeah but you have to set it for each recording right?
[05:07:52] hadees: i want it to default that way
[05:07:56] clever: for each existing rule yes
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[05:08:04] clever: in the setup yuo can also make it default for any NEW rules
[05:08:12] ajh: yeah, re-scanning just found the same channels, 16 different transponders were not scanned at all.
[05:08:34] hadees: ajh, can anything else see the channel?
[05:08:35] clever: hadees: general under tv settings
[05:08:46] clever: you can set the default jobs for any NEW recording rules
[05:08:55] clever: and you can probly mass set ALL rules if you used mysql
[05:09:36] hadees: clever, ah i see it, must have missed that thanks
[05:09:55] clever: but its a pain to manualy set each existing rule
[05:11:05] ajh: haven't gotten anything else working yet.
[05:11:51] ajh: but other receivers do see it.
[05:14:12] ajh: interesting, most of the ones that don't work are Left
[05:15:12] hadees: clever, yeah i'll probably do a database update
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[05:18:27] mjb: Hmmm....I seem to be having a problem w/ recording files going missing. Sometimes, even when the recording should still be going on. This seems to be happening more often since 0.21....
[05:19:43] mjb: Any thoughts, anyone? Anyone else have a similar problem?
[05:22:35] hadees: has anyone gotten Apache to stream iphone videos of mythtv shows?
[05:23:17] ajh: mutter, yeah looks like most left-circular channels don't get found.
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[05:41:20] ajh: ok, I give up, nothing I do seems to make any difference
[05:42:41] ajh: I'll pick up a couple more barrel connectors tomrrow and try eliminating the SW44 and run on the Diseqc only.
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[09:05:00] timoguin: I'm having issues with sound with a Hauppage PVR-500.
[09:05:18] timoguin: Sound works fine external to the mythtv frontend.
[09:05:35] timoguin: But anything played within the frontend gets no sound output at all.
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[09:39:23] Davo_Dinkum: Does google code include a bug tracker?
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[09:39:59] natoka: re
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[09:41:31] nevyn: just did the upgrade to 0.21 and all tuners are now failing with.
[09:42:04] nevyn: unable to initialize multiplex
[09:42:23] nevyn: the cards work in tzap.
[09:44:11] nevyn: hrm
[09:44:22] nevyn: it hated the database by the looks of things
[09:46:47] justinh: aha! AHA! I know wtf is going wrong with the timestretch playback after pausing & unpausing now! the deinterlacer is still working, which is what's making the framerate all screwed. setting the video scan type to progressive during timestretched playback fixes it
[09:46:49] natoka: specify 'upgrade'
[09:47:01] natoka: did you backup the mysql db before the upgrade?
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[09:47:15] natoka: and how did you upgrade the db to 0.21?
[09:47:28] justinh: natoka: 0.21 takes an automagical backup – assuming the user running mythtv-setup has access rights to the recording directory
[09:48:54] natoka: ah fine behaviour
[09:49:57] nevyn: natoka: yes have a backup of the database
[09:51:39] natoka: nevyn: I assume you're not interested in rescanning tv channels with mythtv-setup, because that would scramble your channel setup ?
[09:51:40] nevyn: natoka: it seems that the problem was that there was some bad data in either channels or capturecards or such
[09:52:01] natoka: hmm interesting
[09:52:26] nevyn: natoka: which was actually causing scan for channels to fail
[09:52:41] nevyn: so we were scanning for channels in mythtv and getting nada.
[09:52:51] nevyn: but tzapworked all good
[09:53:25] natoka: what i know about scanning in mythtv is that it is quite new
[09:53:48] natoka: and probably there still bugs lurking somewhere ...
[09:54:01] justinh: natoka: depends what exactly you mean by 'quite new' ;)
[09:54:21] natoka: i did my channel setup here with manually created channels.conf files
[09:54:42] natoka: that worked, since auto scanning failed uterly
[09:55:07] natoka: but i still borked something here
[09:55:08] justinh: back on 0.16 & 0.17 every digital channel had to be entered manually. How I don't miss those days
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[09:55:44] justinh: scanning sometimes gets broken but if people just work around the problem without reporting it, nobody can fix it :)
[09:56:18] natoka: because in the backend status page, i see 4 encoders, though I just have 3 in hardware, and 2 seem to reference the same hardware
[09:56:57] justinh: natoka: that's multirec – you can record multiple channels (default a maximum of 2 per card) from one transponder now
[09:57:42] justinh: I have my 3 DVB-T tuners set on 2 recordings per card – no conflicts so far no matter what I've thrown at it :)
[09:59:02] justinh: time to look in the wiki/manual to see if there's any mention of the new deinterlacers & see if I've missed warnings about any being broken for timestretched playback
[09:59:25] nevyn: so if there are lots of multiplexes on a particular transport.
[09:59:40] justinh: transport/multiplex/transponder
[10:00:06] nevyn: ok...
[10:01:13] justinh: in the UK we typically have up to 6 TV channels per multiplex – meaning we can record up to 6 TV channels at the same time using just one tuner. Though I hacked the code & was able to record 10 from one card very comfortably (6 TV & 4 radio channels)
[10:01:26] nevyn: whoo
[10:01:50] justinh: if I did that on my current backend, that'd be the equivalent of 30 tuners! A little extreme I think
[10:01:57] justinh: MOARTUNERZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[10:03:08] justinh: we've sometimes talked about how nifty it'd be to give myth some real life testing – see just how well it scales in a given scenario – obviously way beyond what 'normal people' do at home with their mythtv setups.
[10:03:52] justinh: it'd have to be a community effort though – don't think anybody has enough systems or network bandwidth at home to perfom such an outrageous test ;)
[10:05:05] natoka: justinh: and where can i set how many channels per multiplex i want to record?
[10:05:40] justinh: within 'recording options' for the tuner card in mythtv-setup IIRC
[10:05:53] justinh: the maximum you can set is currently 5 per card
[10:06:21] justinh: 5 was considered a good conservative number, erring on the side of caution a little
[10:07:11] natoka: justinh: ah, fine to know, thx for the info
[10:07:27] ** natoka would have otherwise started to poke around in the db **
[10:07:50] natoka: ^^ probably would have been a bad idea ...
[10:10:50] justinh: there's the thing see – it'd take quite a database hack to change the max number of recordings per card – it's not just a one column thing
[10:11:14] justinh: not impossible – but _way_ more than a simple one column change
[10:11:22] natoka: i can imagine
[10:11:47] natoka: and the other point is that there is a high potential to do something really wrong ...
[10:11:58] justinh: where the hell are these new deinterlacers documented?
[10:12:12] justinh: natoka: true, but that's what backups are for ;)
[10:22:06] justinh: doh – I think I know the cause of the problem. the fallback deinterlacer was set to the same as the primary one. set it to onefield instead & see how that goes
[10:25:11] justinh: yup. I was right. stupid idiot!!!
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[10:28:12] purserj: anyone running a release build and trunk build on the same machine?
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[10:32:15] justinh: purserj: not me, but you'd need to use different --prefix fer sure
[10:32:42] justinh: I'd also advise a different database :)
[10:32:49] justinh: it's definitely possible
[10:32:50] purserj: yar, done that, put the trunk into /usr/local/myth however when I run it, it says something about automatically using /usr/local/bin and so on
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[10:54:52] dustybin: its snowing here!
[10:56:40] johnp__: Does anyone have UK icons ? ones with transparent backgrounds ? (Think there was a guy called possible first name Charles ?)
[10:59:02] EvilGuru: Snow!
[10:59:14] EvilGuru: We had some earlier, but it has mostly melted now
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[11:03:19] dustybin: johnp__: im from UK and have icons by compiling the latest nightly xmltv snapshot
[11:03:29] dustybin: they are not transparent
[11:03:42] dustybin: http://xmltv.org/wiki/
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[11:14:14] johnp__: DustyBin:Ah right, so If I grab the latest xmltv stuff then I should get the (transparent) icons ?
[11:17:03] johnp__: DastyBin,Just caught up, so, so they are not transparent:(
[11:18:41] johnp__: (I've got a collection of non transparent icons.)
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[11:48:16] |DuReX|: Somebody has any id why my LiveTV output is lagging
[11:48:22] |DuReX|: its not fluent video
[11:48:25] |DuReX|: is skips :s
[11:49:25] natoka: probably because it does not utilize xvmc on your pc?
[11:50:10] natoka: probably it's something different
[11:50:33] natoka: but who knows – your description is as generic as it can be
[11:51:43] |DuReX|: its not using xvmc prolly no
[11:51:54] |DuReX|: cause it seems thats only availible for Nvidia & Intel
[11:51:58] |DuReX|: I got a ATI card
[11:53:09] DustyBin: MythTV doesnt support ATI cards
[11:54:25] |DuReX|: oh :s
[11:54:45] DustyBin: buy a cheap nvidia fx5200, thats all you need
[11:56:12] johnp__: The url I was looking for was http://brej.org/dvb/index.html Then goto "channel icons"
[12:00:27] justinh: johnp__: that page is seriously out of date
[12:01:14] justinh: I started doing channel icons with transparent backgrounds a while ago but there are a lot of channels in the UK
[12:01:37] justinh: it's just not worth it really, considering how little space the icons occupy
[12:02:02] natoka: ^^ just consider the geekness factor ...
[12:02:22] justinh: pfft. just consider all the extra work you never get thanked for :-\
[12:02:56] justinh: if anybody wants to do it, no problem – but too much effort for the end result IMHO
[12:03:17] directhex: DustyBin, the reverse is true. ati officially don't support mythtv
[12:04:05] justinh: I found some TT fonts with a heck of a lot of UK TV icons somewhere – you can make lovely ones with those but there's still a lot of colouring in to do :P
[12:04:43] johnp__: justinh: I know how long ago it was posted, but I also seem to remember the icons were kept up to date. (at least marginally)
[12:04:56] justinh: johnp__: anyway myth can grab its own icons now
[12:05:09] johnp__: not with tranparancy
[12:05:22] justinh: really not much point anyway though
[12:05:40] justinh: no theme ever shows the icon at bigger than 50x50 pixels anyway
[12:05:47] johnp__: pt taken
[12:06:03] justinh: at least with a background, you don't get icons vanishing against a coloured background :P
[12:06:49] justinh: besides if the icons are GIFs, which they sometimes are – you only get one level of transparency. yucky
[12:07:24] directhex: burn all gifs
[12:11:13] |DuReX|: mmm
[12:11:20] |DuReX|: disabled the fglxl driver
[12:11:22] |DuReX|: from ATI
[12:11:26] |DuReX|: using open source on now
[12:11:32] |DuReX|: and working kinda great now :)
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[12:13:46] DustyBin: |DuReX|: http://www.fsf.org/photos/rms-sign.jpg
[12:14:15] |DuReX|: well yea
[12:14:21] |DuReX|: having it 2 years
[12:14:31] |DuReX|: wasn't thinking about MythTV back then :d
[12:15:05] justinh: DustyBin: maybe in time beardy guy can hold a nvidia placard instead
[12:15:36] levander: I ripped some DVD's with mythdvd to ISO, then burn them back to DVD-R's with gnomebaker. Problem is, the playback shows up "choppy". E.g., you can make out what is showing on the video, but there are rectangles all over the screen where blocks of the picture have been moved to different places. Only like the initial FBI warning is like that on my desktop under totem-xine, but the whole video is like that on my myth box.
[12:15:42] justinh: s/beardy guy/God
[12:15:55] DustyBin: lol
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[12:17:33] levander: Does anybody know what those kind of artifacts aare called? So I can try googling around for this stuff better?
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[12:18:14] justinh: macroblocks
[12:20:23] |DuReX|: btw, does MythTV use the encoder function on my TV card ?
[12:20:31] |DuReX|: cause i'm having a TV card with hardware encoder
[12:20:32] directhex: |DuReX|, what card?
[12:20:37] |DuReX|: HVR-1300
[12:20:39] |DuReX|: Hauppauge
[12:20:55] levander: |DuReX|: You have to have a driver installed that knows how to talk to the card I think.
[12:21:01] directhex: |DuReX|, driver support still highly experimental, so no afaik. talk to the ivtv people
[12:24:14] |DuReX|: seems it does :)
[12:24:19] |DuReX|: video0 = unencoded
[12:24:26] |DuReX|: video1 = uses MPEG encoder
[12:35:45] DustyBin: MythTV eat your heart out
[12:35:47] DustyBin: http://www.hp.com/united-states/psg/mediasmart/2007/index.html
[12:35:59] DustyBin: (NOT..)
[12:36:04] directhex: DustyBin, it's a windows home server machine. your point?
[12:36:15] directhex: home server has nothing to do with myth. MCE has something in common
[12:36:35] DustyBin: </flamewar>
[12:36:53] justinh: I experienced a HP desktop machine once. it was the epitome of everything a computer user's computer shouldn't be
[12:37:33] directhex: justinh, the default windows install is a little crapwared
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[13:09:07] DeathKiNG: Does MythTV run on the PS3? I mean by sreaming.
[13:09:10] DeathKiNG: *Streaming.
[13:09:50] darkfrog: When I record video with my PVR-250 there is barring that is noticable during transitions...is there any way to make that better?
[13:13:54] darkfrog: Also, with MythArchive the DVD menus created don't highlight properly...it should put a box around the selected entry, but the selection is wrong...
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[13:19:13] directhex: DeathKiNG, not with recent firmwares. sony broke it
[13:19:33] DeathKiNG: Damn, so what will work?
[13:19:54] directhex: mythvideo and mythmusic
[13:20:12] DeathKiNG: Ok.
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[14:14:48] blackest: hi i just did apt-get upgrade but the mythbuntu weekly builds didnt give me anything to upgrade too
[14:15:20] blackest: i am running hardy on this one but the rest are on gutsy and weekly builds
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[14:54:41] rushfan: Hey. Any mythtv people on gentoo in here?
[14:55:23] natoka: ^^ meta questions are useless imho
[14:55:31] rushfan: I have an issue with mythv constantly breaking when other things get upgraded. So I had this idea
[14:55:44] rushfan: Install mythtv into a seperate chroot. I was just wondering if anyone saw potential issues with the idea?
[14:56:19] natoka: rushfan: hmm, putting the backend there is probably quite easy
[14:56:52] rushfan: natoka: Yeah, and would it still run on the same IP address (10.0.0.4 in my case)?
[14:57:18] rushfan: Because the front end rarely gets broken. Its always the bloody backend having some obscure fight with mysql
[14:57:25] natoka: rushfan: but there are quite some gotchas with chroot in general
[14:57:38] rushfan: gotchas?
[14:57:41] rushfan: As in problems?
[14:58:12] natoka: and i quite don't understand, why you just don't mask mythtv, when you don't like to upgrade all time
[14:58:53] rushfan: natoka: because then its bounds to get broken again by deps changing.
[14:59:02] rushfan: And right now the issue lies with mysql, so masking mythtv wouldn't have helped anyhow
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[15:00:13] toad0225: is there anywhere I might be able to discuss softcam with someone?
[15:00:43] natoka: rushfan: what's the problem with mysql?
[15:01:07] natoka: toad0225: softcam ? has that anything to do with mythtv?
[15:01:32] rushfan: natoka: I have no idea. Mythtv keeps segfaulting when it tries to access mysql. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215784 All the gory details are there
[15:01:58] toad0225: it could. It is essentially software emulation of a CAMID (i.e. subscribed satellite card)
[15:02:34] toad0225: a lot of us in the US have to use softcam in roder to be able to use homebrewed dvr's with dvb-s
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[15:02:45] toad0225: it's the only workaround
[15:02:48] natoka: ah, some sort of decrypt emulation
[15:02:54] toad0225: yeah
[15:03:08] GreyFoxx: toad0225: It's a topic not allowed in here
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[15:03:23] toad0225: GreyFoxx, that is what I jsut asked is it not?
[15:03:42] GreyFoxx: actually I missed your first line
[15:03:55] GreyFoxx: justsaw the rest
[15:04:02] rushfan: At any rate, asking where you can go to talk about it isnt too smart either. thats like asking in front of a cop 'where can I go to smoke some pot'
[15:04:29] ** rushfan waves to the MPAA people **
[15:04:37] toad0225: not really. I think people fear things but don't have any justification for fearing them
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[15:05:08] toad0225: Put it this way. If I were to use such software, firstly you have no idea for what purpose I use it
[15:05:19] rushfan: toad0225: well I think the idea is that we don't want to be known as a hangout for folks on freenode doing illegal stuff.
[15:05:30] toad0225: i.e. what provider...therefore no one can identify themselves as the pursuer
[15:05:36] GreyFoxx: It's irrelevant why's wherefores and any justifications
[15:06:01] toad0225: irrelevant to what?
[15:06:11] GreyFoxx: To that noone wants it in here
[15:06:12] toad0225: moot maybe
[15:06:15] toad0225: not irrelevent
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[15:07:44] rushfan: toad0225: go join some blackhat channel. They'll be glad to talk about it I'm sure. Especially if they can leach off your cable while they're helping you :P
[15:07:54] zippytech_: lol , how to i access the guide?
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[15:08:39] toad0225: leach of my cable how? That doesnt even make sense
[15:08:48] zippytech_: do i have to be in the watch tv?
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[15:15:20] sebrock: can anybody tell me where mythweb looks for the video and music files?
[15:15:29] sebrock: I thought it was the symlinks in /mythweb/data
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[15:16:07] natoka: sebrock: most likely you've got some permission problems
[15:16:24] natoka: sebrock: because the webserver is not running as mythtv user
[15:16:27] sebrock: everything is allowed with www-data user
[15:16:42] natoka: sebrock: and cannot access the mythtv files ...
[15:17:11] sebrock: strange thing is that mythweb is trying to access my files though a NFS mount I have on my frontends
[15:18:41] sebrock: which are separate machines
[15:21:01] sebrock: I dont understand why mythweb is trying to use one of my frontends settings
[15:21:17] sebrock: and not just follow the symlinks in /data
[15:22:00] sebrock: maybe its has to be the exact same paths on all machines?
[15:22:06] sebrock: which is kinda stupid really
[15:22:16] natoka: sebrock: should not be the case
[15:22:37] natoka: sebrock: that's why you can configure it on a per frontend basis
[15:22:55] natoka: if you use 0.21 or higher ...
[15:23:06] sebrock: It worked just fine on 0.20
[15:23:12] sebrock: with 0.21 this changed
[15:23:41] sebrock: with 0.20 it actually followed the symlinks in /data
[15:23:42] natoka: yeah since 0.21 you can access more than one directory at the frontend
[15:23:49] sebrock: now it seems to read the paths from DB
[15:24:16] natoka: probably you just didn't configure it properly at your backend?
[15:24:18] sebrock: maybe it was a stupid idea to make a custom path to all my files
[15:25:00] sebrock: tell me this: on your frontend, do you have a NFS mount to the files or are they passed though the DB connection?
[15:25:11] TelnetManta: iamlindoro_: Ping
[15:25:23] sebrock: because I NFS mounted my videos music etc. as If they where local on my frontends
[15:28:12] sebrock: so I did not use the path specified from setup on my media
[15:28:19] sebrock: is this what is causing the trouble?
[15:34:06] natoka: you need to configure your paths on the frontend and the backend
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[15:34:30] natoka: they necessarily do not need to be the same, they just need to point to the same place
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[16:37:05] Aval0n: anyone in here use vlc via mythtv to play their videos?
[16:38:13] PatrickDK: I am using vlc
[16:55:34] directhex: i used to use vlc for dvd playback
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[16:57:20] Aval0n: .oh
[16:57:21] Aval0n: cool
[16:57:27] Aval0n: can you config it like you do mplayer
[16:57:31] PatrickDK: I have several videos mplayer won't play back
[16:57:36] Aval0n: so that you don't see any of it's windows
[16:57:47] PatrickDK: heh? see it's windows?
[16:57:50] Aval0n: there is a plugin i'm going to be using that only works for vlc
[16:57:51] PatrickDK: have you tried google?
[16:58:10] ** Aval0n smirks at PatrickDK **
[16:58:15] ** PatrickDK highly recommends google **
[16:58:32] PatrickDK: well, their search engine, not them personally
[16:58:34] Aval0n: vlc has a command line?
[16:58:44] Aval0n: err cli
[16:58:47] PatrickDK: type, vlc mythtv, into google
[16:58:56] Aval0n: wutevr
[16:59:16] Aval0n: ;)
[16:59:19] Aval0n: thnx
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[16:59:49] Aval0n: how does vlc handle mkv x264 stuff?
[16:59:54] Aval0n: you guys played on of that on it?
[17:00:08] directhex: 0.21-fixes handles it a bit better IME
[17:00:19] directhex: and x264 is an encoder. you cannot "watch" x264
[17:00:39] Aval0n: that's like saying you can't watch divx stuff?
[17:00:54] Aval0n: or is divx and mkv the containers
[17:01:02] directhex: divx is an implementation of mpeg4 part 2
[17:01:05] PatrickDK: mkv is an container
[17:01:09] directhex: mkv is definitely a container
[17:01:23] directhex: divx... is usually stored in an avi container, though i hear they have their own container these days
[17:01:31] Aval0n: ahh interesting
[17:01:33] directhex: whcih is avi with fiddly bits like chapters
[17:01:42] directhex: but unsupported by anything but the divx player for windows
[17:01:47] Aval0n: oh
[17:01:49] Aval0n: that sucks
[17:02:02] PatrickDK: well, guess it's time for me to climb the tower
[17:02:13] PatrickDK: need to replace the connection and the end of my lmr400 wire
[17:02:23] directhex: PatrickDK, there's a princess at the top of towers, typically
[17:02:37] PatrickDK: directhex, antenna towers?
[17:02:41] directhex: justinh, you about? i thought you might like the opportunity to laugh at me
[17:03:54] directhex: justinh, was talking to the neighbors today, in the back garden, about TV. one of them asked if we enjoyed using sky, to which i looked confused. she then pointed to the minidish that's been on our house since before we moved in 2.5 years ago
[17:04:02] directhex: 2.5 fucking years i could have been using dvb-s
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[17:04:18] directhex: i have *no* idea where the cable terminates
[17:04:50] PatrickDK: hehe
[17:04:56] Yahooadam: lmfao directhex
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[17:05:05] PatrickDK: I have replaced every single cable in my house
[17:05:20] directhex: PatrickDK, this place is rented. the electrics are fucked, but i can't fix them
[17:05:21] PatrickDK: they ran rg59 through the floor and just drapped in the basement :(
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[17:08:18] directhex: basements are an exception
[17:08:44] DustyBin: UK people: Headcases
[17:08:44] DustyBin: Sun, Apr 6, 10:00 PM to 10:30 PM (30 min
[17:09:04] DustyBin: ITV
[17:11:59] Yahooadam: DustyBin – whats interesting about it? :p
[17:12:36] DustyBin: Yahooadam: its not meant to be interesting, its comedy you dip-stick :P
[17:14:12] Yahooadam: ugh, do you seriously expect me to go into mythweb to read the description :p
[17:15:03] Yahooadam: meh, may aswell record it
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[17:18:44] timoguin: I have problems with the sound with the newest Mythbuntu and a Hauppage PVR-500.
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[17:18:58] timoguin: I get no sound at all when playing anything within the mythtv frontend.
[17:19:11] timoguin: But sound works fine when not using the mythtv frontend.
[17:19:12] Yahooadam: have you checked alsamixer?
[17:19:16] justinh: rofl directhex
[17:19:17] Yahooadam: ah
[17:19:47] directhex: justinh, honestly, i know somewhere in this house has satellite now, but not WHERE O_o
[17:19:54] directhex: justinh, and... i move out in a week or so
[17:20:05] justinh: I was really glad to find out the timestretch problem I had was just a stupid user error today (phew)
[17:20:08] justinh: DOH
[17:20:38] directhex: justinh, i'm the man who spent ?400 on a brand new flat-panel monitor because his old screen was br... no wait, i had brightness & contrast all the way down to 0
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[17:21:49] directhex: nobody does major cock-ups like the british, and i use my personal cockups as proof that i'm not french
[17:22:22] PatrickDK: does anyone like the french?
[17:22:36] DustyBin: ive set my de-interlacer as 'linear blend' and also the fall back de-interlacer the same, should i change the fall back to something else?
[17:22:38] directhex: monacans
[17:22:49] directhex: DustyBin, what's the point of falling back to the same?
[17:22:56] DustyBin: directhex: i dont know?!
[17:23:28] DustyBin: theres no way i could use linear blend when i was using s-video, but now linear blend works ok
[17:23:31] directhex: DustyBin, "hm, doing $foo doesn't work. i'd better do $foo instead"?
[17:24:01] DustyBin: what other de-interlacer would be suitable for my VGA > RGB SCART CRT setup?
[17:24:24] PatrickDK: crt?
[17:24:32] DustyBin: yep
[17:24:32] PatrickDK: do you need to de-interlace at all?
[17:24:39] directhex: PatrickDK, yes!
[17:24:44] DustyBin: i dont really no
[17:24:52] DustyBin: it works fine without any de-interlacing
[17:25:09] directhex: PatrickDK, raw interlaced output from interlaced sources doesn't work! there's no way for the video driver to know which field to display!
[17:25:12] PatrickDK: dunno :), I have never used mythtv on anothing other than lcd
[17:26:29] PatrickDK: and I find it annoying as hell, that they encoded all kinds of interlace issues into the dora dvd's
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[17:27:35] DustyBin: am i right in thinking that 'de-interlacing' is really for non-interlaced screens like LCDS, and PLASMAS, a CRT TV like mine is Interlaced?
[17:27:55] PatrickDK: yes
[17:28:00] PatrickDK: but like directhex said
[17:28:07] PatrickDK: it still need to de-interlace the video
[17:28:15] DustyBin: why?
[17:28:17] PatrickDK: so it can sync it back into a peoper interlaced feed
[17:28:23] DustyBin: jeeze complex
[17:28:24] directhex: DustyBin, how does interlacing work?
[17:28:25] PatrickDK: or it may be 180 degrees out of sync
[17:28:37] DustyBin: directhex: i havent a clue
[17:28:51] directhex: DustyBin, so accept the answer, rather than doubting it, if you have no basis for doubt
[17:28:52] justinh: DustyBin: I've told you this not just twice
[17:29:03] directhex: justinh, i don;t doubt it
[17:29:04] ** DustyBin hides **
[17:30:39] justinh: if you're lucky & myth manages to show all the video fields in the right order all the time when you're running X in an interlaced mode then fine – don't deinterlace. I'm not aware of any cases where that ever happens though
[17:30:57] directhex: justinh, just hit pause until it works!
[17:31:07] directhex: justinh, all the cool "I WILL INTERLACE, MOFO" people do
[17:31:08] justinh: yeah – 50–50 chance!
[17:31:16] DustyBin: justinh: i can turn off all de-interlacing and the video is smooth as silk
[17:31:29] justinh: DustyBin: always? on everything? then good for you
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[17:31:33] directhex: DustyBin, using nvidia?
[17:31:37] DustyBin: yes
[17:31:41] directhex: wait, no flicker filter on vga
[17:31:48] justinh: you'll soon find out when the fields are shown in the wrong order
[17:31:57] DustyBin: directhex: flicker only happens on the theme, not on live tv or video
[17:32:11] justinh: it's a lot more noticable than not deinterlacing on a progressive display
[17:32:27] justinh: juddery is a word I'd use to describe the effect
[17:32:35] justinh: I should know – I have Virgin cable :P
[17:33:37] directhex: justinh, so do i, i definitely know about the cable connection.
[17:33:42] directhex: now to hunt for some coax!
[17:34:07] DustyBin: the only bad thing about this convertor box, when the screen is dark/black and you got the lights out, you can see 2 bars running up the screen, its hardly noticable though
[17:34:21] justinh: DustyBin: use a mains adapter that isn't shit
[17:34:35] DustyBin: justinh: im using the one what came with it
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[17:34:45] DustyBin: could be earth problem?
[17:34:48] justinh: that isn't what I said
[17:35:18] justinh: could be an earth loop too of course
[17:35:29] DustyBin: yes it sounds like it something like that
[17:35:30] justinh: DustyBin: are the bars quite large & slow moving?
[17:35:54] DustyBin: justinh: the bars are static and blended in, verticle, one far left, one far right
[17:36:05] DustyBin: just a slight lighter shade than the black
[17:36:20] justinh: static? not hum bars then – so that rules out PSU noise and ground loops
[17:36:36] DustyBin: ok
[17:37:41] directhex: FOUND IT!
[17:37:42] justinh: get a PLUGE pattern on your box & set the brightness & contrast properly
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[17:37:50] directhex: the second wardrobe. behind the box of tampons
[17:38:10] justinh: directhex: sounds like the right place to look :P
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[17:40:27] directhex: justinh, 2.5 years!
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[17:43:40] DustyBin: thats a good idea for mythtv, maybe have some PLUDGE patterns from the setup menu
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[17:44:05] justinh: DustyBin: I considered putting some patterns in the screen setup wiz thingy
[17:44:12] DustyBin: http://www.mediacollege.com/video/test-patter . . . -640x480.gif
[17:44:30] justinh: no no no no no no
[17:44:55] justinh: you can't calibrate a display using a source image which only has 8 bits per pixel
[17:45:17] justinh: well, you can :P
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[18:14:32] Aval0n: hey justinh you there?
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[18:16:43] superm1: is there a way to call the functionality used for firewire changing via a different type of tuner (say svideo)?
[18:16:57] superm1: the current sa3250 script doesn't handle my box, but the internal changer does
[18:18:03] directhex: so use the firewire changer for svideo capture?
[18:18:51] hadees: So i noticed something when i was messing around with mythtv-setup which was it seems you can run user jobs on files that are on other backends, i was wondering how this worked exactly? I have a script for converting tv shows to an ipod format and i was wondering if that would work over the network?
[18:19:24] justinh: ahh the magic of the mythtv protocol :)
[18:19:50] Aval0n: justinh: hey man
[18:19:55] hadees: i reason being is ffmpeg is taking forever per show on my backend and my frontend is a really fast computer since it needs to play HDTV but it isn't always playing HDTV
[18:20:08] hadees: i thought i could setup a backend that doesn't record but just runs user jobs.
[18:20:14] superm1: directhex, yeah something like that
[18:20:25] superm1: i can't capture everything i want via firewire unfortunately
[18:20:50] superm1: so i've got an input group put together
[18:20:57] superm1: to capture the 5 or so channels i can over firewire
[18:21:01] superm1: and everythign else via svid
[18:22:41] hadees: if you have a tuner setup to record via svid can it also use coax to record if the box is recording via firewire?
[18:22:49] hadees: record another channel i mean
[18:23:16] Aval0n: oh fine ignore me justinh
[18:23:33] fryfrog: hadees: i'm not sure if it'll work with a firewire + analog pair
[18:23:36] superm1: yeah, but the problem is that i wont get any stations that don't show up on coas then hadees
[18:23:46] superm1: eg everything above channel 99
[18:23:51] fryfrog: but for example, there are tv cards with one digital and one analog tuner, but can only be used one at a time
[18:24:05] fryfrog: myth has something built in to allow it to only use one at a time, even though it looks like 2 inputs
[18:24:22] fryfrog: not sure if you could apply that in some way to your firewire + analog coax + analog svideo though :/
[18:24:40] hadees: fryfrog, yeah i know that but if you pair up a tuner with a cable box that can also record via firewire, what if the box isn't using the card can the card then be used to record via coax?
[18:24:43] fryfrog: i suspect you might end up with firewire recordings being interrupted by svideo recordings changing the channel
[18:25:05] fryfrog: i don't think any logic like that exists, but i could be wrong
[18:25:36] superm1: i guess i'm going to have to try to port the code in the firewire changer over to sa3250.c :(
[18:25:46] superm1: was hoping to avoid that
[18:25:49] hadees: fryfrog, because presumably if the box is using firewire to record so the tuner card can't use the box it should still be able to record via coax
[18:26:17] fryfrog: hadees: that is logical, but is probably such a rare edge case that no work has been done on it
[18:26:49] fryfrog: hadees: i would simply consider having 2 analog cards, one to record via svideo as 2nd in priority, one to record coax as 3rd priority
[18:26:55] fryfrog: then your firewire STB as 1st
[18:27:01] fryfrog: but then, i'm not sure what'll happen
[18:27:19] fryfrog: when the stb is recording and then your svideo card says "okay, stb change to 35 and lets record)"
[18:27:29] hadees: fryfrog, i don't know, what about HBO, most people who do general firewire recording can't get HBO, it might be the only channel they want to record via S-video, you would be wasting an entire tuner card waiting for HBO to record
[18:27:36] fryfrog: i think for only 5–6 channels working via firewire, i'd give up on that and just use svideo only
[18:27:55] fryfrog: hadees: sure, i agree, but it is still a *very* edge case
[18:28:28] superm1: well but still the problem exists that sa4250hdc needs the code in myth to change, not the external changer script currently
[18:29:49] fryfrog: superm1: if firewire *recording* works okay, then you can still use the external script to change channels
[18:29:57] fryfrog: nothing wrong with that
[18:30:03] directhex: fryfrog, he wants the reverse!
[18:30:08] superm1: the code isn't in the script for the 4250hdc anyhow
[18:30:13] superm1: but yeah i want the reverse
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[18:30:54] fryfrog: superm1: ah, sorry
[18:31:15] fryfrog: i just hope the STB I end up with from comcast is supported in myth :/
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[18:31:33] directhex: superm1, you're smart. flash on amd64 is utterly buggered since the last hardy updates. producing a backtrace is non-trivial, since firefox freezes when you attach gdb to the plugin process. bright ideas?
[18:31:43] xand: what are the columns findday, findtime, findid in the record database table for?
[18:31:57] xand: (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Record_table doesn't say)
[18:32:01] superm1: directhex, ah good ol nspluginwrapper fun
[18:32:15] superm1: directhex, so firefox3b5 broke it?
[18:32:16] directhex: superm1, erm, yes
[18:32:18] fryfrog: you could use the "delete them and see what breaks" method to figure out?
[18:32:39] superm1: directhex, do you not get an apport report created when it crashes?
[18:34:27] directhex: superm1, it's not crashing in a way apport notices – or at least, the apport crashes aren't relevant. as far as i can tell, closing one tab with a flash plugin in it is killing *all* nsplugin viewer plugin instances, or at least severing their connection to their backend "renderer" plugins
[18:34:34] directhex: if you remember how nspluginwrapper works
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[18:36:25] directhex: as soon as a second tab's flash dies, http://pastebin.ca/974294 appears in stdout (or stderr, i wasn't paying attention), with the bottom line spamming ad infinitum
[18:36:52] justinh: Aval0n: no I haven't heard of atomlight & I'm not likely to care but ffs stop bugging me about it
[18:37:17] directhex: i'll re-test it and check which PID is the new tab (i.e. whether the assert comes from the flash being closed or the flash dying on its own)
[18:38:40] directhex: hm, when did nspluginwrapper start sharing one npviewer instance between all flash instances?
[18:38:58] superm1: directhex, problems like this are exactly the type of reason that 64 bit isn't ready for all consumer machines :)
[18:39:12] superm1: directhex, check /var/crash though
[18:39:18] superm1: and see if apport made a report and just didnt tell you
[18:39:23] superm1: (its done that for me before)
[18:39:44] directhex: superm1, not since this morning. that was just a general nspluginwrapper death
[18:39:51] directhex: and i think i still had 3.0b4 this morning
[18:40:34] directhex: superm1, anyway, who still makes 32-bit chips?
[18:41:49] superm1: no one does stil "make" them, but i dont think that 64 bit operating systems are ready for prime time
[18:41:52] superm1: because of reasons like this
[18:41:58] jamesd__: directhex, they still put them in cell phones and microlaptops.
[18:44:23] justinh: heh and how long have 64-bit chips been around now? you'd think that the problems would more or less be at least mostly history by now
[18:44:55] jamesd__: Justinh longer than 10 years... perhaps 15 years now.
[18:45:52] superm1: widespread in consumer machines just a few years though
[18:46:07] directhex: 2003 is when athlon64 landed
[18:46:18] Deek: 32+64 is a relatively new thing.
[18:46:31] directhex: Deek, feh. biarch is nothing new
[18:46:38] directhex: Deek, consider 16+32 on windows
[18:46:59] directhex: and how long was the gap between the first consumer 32-bit chip (386) and the first 32-bit-only os (win95)?
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[18:48:14] natoka: directhex: win95 is not 32bit only
[18:48:51] Deek: linux is probably the first 32-only OS in wide use on x86
[18:48:52] directhex: natoka, it contains 16-bit elements. but will not execute on chips without 32-bit support
[18:49:20] directhex: natoka, which is what i mean.
[18:49:49] directhex: natoka, and is a good example of biarch – it was happy running 16 or 32-bit apps
[18:49:55] directhex: for win95 versions of "happy"
[18:50:24] natoka: but i don't think that the same story will happen for 64bit
[18:50:26] Deek: If you count stuff that just requires 32, Windows 3.1 Enhanced or OS/2 have a better claim on that. :)
[18:50:59] directhex: Deek, win32s wasn't mandated, and nobody ran os/2 outside ibm hq
[18:51:27] Deek: directhex: incorrect — OS/2 had more users than the Mac.
[18:51:48] directhex: the who?
[18:52:17] Deek: directhex: And not win32s, Windows 3.1 Enhanced Mode.
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[18:53:14] directhex: Deek, 3.11
[18:53:18] Deek: You know, the one that could run preemptively multitask DOS sessions.
[18:53:27] Deek: directhex: no, 3.1
[18:53:54] Deek: 3.11 just had a native network stack.
[18:54:04] directhex: i remember preemptive multitasking on win31. switching window during a print meant black ink on the paper until i tabbed back
[18:54:06] directhex: good times
[18:54:23] ** cesman wonders when he stumbled into the windows history channel.... **
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[18:55:14] directhex: cesman, it's much more fun than admitting the way 32/64 biarch is dealt with on linux is bullshit & chips
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[18:55:15] Deek: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
[18:56:08] Deek: directhex: WAY better than how 16/32 was handled in Windows. :)
[18:56:18] cesman: directhex, the source is open. if you don't like it, you _can_ do something about it ;)
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[18:56:52] directhex: cesman, it's naive to assume the source is always open, or that it's an easy peasy transition when it is
[18:58:13] Deek: Anyway, it's only on Linux that people have reason to use the 64-bit OS in preference to the 32-bit one anyway.
[18:58:21] Deek: wow, too many 'anyway's.
[18:58:52] directhex: Deek, 4 gig of ram in a box is reaching normality now
[18:58:52] jamesd__: i would just like 64bit browsers outlawed.. they never work with plugins.. no one deals with browser files that are larger than 4GB hell larger than 2GB is extremely rare.. and even as much as i have tried many many tabs, multiple windows running for a week.. i still can't get a browser to use more than 1GB of ram...
[18:58:58] directhex: especially given ram prices
[18:59:00] natoka: Deek: 64bit only pays off with more than 3GB RAM anyway
[18:59:07] Deek: On Windows, the only reason to use 64-bit is 3+gig of RAM
[18:59:16] directhex: jamesd__, one DVD iso is enough to skip you over the file size limit
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[18:59:45] directhex: or one game demo
[18:59:46] Ribs: jamesd__: my 64-bit browser works fine with all the plugins I want
[18:59:52] Deek: On Linux, your programs are almost always faster in 64.
[18:59:54] jamesd__: directhex, yes but you don't view an iso... downloading a 4 or 8GB file doesn't require a 64bit browser
[19:00:12] directhex: hell, i downloaded a game client where i had to search for an unzipper that could deal with files > 4gb. that was annoying
[19:00:43] directhex: Deek, more wasted memory bandwidth, more registers. in most cases other than media encoding, there's not much in it
[19:00:45] mjj29: actually, any time you want lots of address space you want 64bit. Which can make a lot of things faster
[19:01:04] jamesd__: Ribs, yes, but most people want a bit more and really that is the biggest block behind linux acceptance on the desktop... for nongeeks
[19:01:08] Deek: directhex: The registers more than make up for the wider memory.
[19:01:08] ** directhex has more rams than you, anyway **
[19:01:14] directhex: combined
[19:01:38] cesman: directhex, we are talking about the kernel aren't we?
[19:01:43] ** jamesd__ has two servers in my living room... combined ram is 10GB, and nearly 2TB of disk space in them... **
[19:01:54] Ribs: jamesd__: You've just gone back on yourself there
[19:01:56] PatrickDK: regesters have always been lacking on the intel platform
[19:02:03] directhex: jamesd__, so an amateur setup then
[19:02:09] Ribs: you say 64-bit browser cannot show any plugins... then you agree with me when I say mine work fine
[19:02:12] cesman: as rabid as some kernel developers are about being "open", do you honestly think there isn't anything closed in the kernel
[19:02:32] directhex: jamesd__, MOAR RAMS!
[19:02:36] directhex: jms@orac:~> free | grep Mem
[19:02:37] directhex: Mem: 1033307712 606817520 426490192 0 4528 389845232
[19:02:39] cesman: given Linux stance on ndiswrapper, do you honestly think there is anything closed in the kernel?
[19:02:40] directhex: MOAR.
[19:02:41] mjj29: cesman: um, yes, yes I do
[19:02:58] Ribs: cesman: there are some parts of the kernel which are 'less open'
[19:03:03] directhex: there are plenty of icky hex tables that mean nothing to anyone in the kernel
[19:03:16] jamesd__: directhex, is that your home box or work... at work i have a lot more... we have a few 64GB ram boxes..
[19:03:18] PatrickDK: the 64bit systems I run, have 10g in two, and 18gig in 3
[19:03:33] directhex: jamesd__, a work box
[19:04:18] cesman: frankly I could care less if everything is "open" source
[19:04:22] Deek: heh, my myth box (only 64-bit machine we have atm) has a whopping 512MB. :)
[19:04:43] cesman: it would be nice if it all was, but not every company is going to/is willing to do that...
[19:05:10] Deek: s/is willing/can be forced/
[19:05:13] Frosty-: I'm getting some skipping in mplayer playing back x264, whats a good commandline to help?
[19:05:33] PatrickDK: popele love to say x264
[19:05:41] Deek: or is coerced better?
[19:06:02] Frosty-: h264 then :/
[19:06:08] Deek: cue MOAR
[19:06:47] justinh: please sir, can I have some MOAR MHZ ????
[19:07:08] directhex: justinh, sorry, i only have MOAR RAMS
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[19:07:22] DustyBin: Frosty-: hows your Nova-T 500 these days?
[19:07:22] directhex: jamesd__, 64 gig in a boz is easy these days
[19:07:27] Frosty-: shouldnt a q6600 be able to play h264 720p nicely?
[19:07:32] directhex: jamesd__, sun sell plenty of boxes to do it
[19:07:40] directhex: Frosty-, did you enable threaded playback?
[19:07:41] Frosty-: DustyBin, its in a bag :)
[19:07:43] simcop2387-lap: is there anyway to automatically trigger the type of update that going into the video manager does?
[19:07:44] justinh: Frosty-: depends on the bitrate, whether it's been kept in slices or not...
[19:07:49] DustyBin: Frosty-: bag?
[19:07:51] Frosty-: I added threads=2 yeah
[19:07:53] justinh: simcop2387-lap: nope
[19:08:00] directhex: Frosty-, threads=2 on a quad core?
[19:08:01] Frosty-: DustyBin, I swapped for 2x single tuner nova-t
[19:08:05] jamesd__: directhex, yes.. did i mention.. that the 64GB box was a sun box.. well it runs solaris.. and its also 5 years old..
[19:08:06] Frosty-: sorry, 4
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[19:08:12] simcop2387-lap: justinh: damn still not, i should get around to making something that will
[19:08:14] Frosty-: reading too many google results :/
[19:08:24] DustyBin: Frosty-: pity!
[19:08:27] directhex: jamesd__, 1024 gig on the other hand is a bit more special
[19:08:34] justinh: simcop2387-lap: too many leet warez files have been borked by the retards who make them :)
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[19:08:59] jamesd__: directhex, yes but still easy to achieve.. its called a m9000...
[19:09:10] justinh: if only GPU accelerated playback was more than a mere pipedream in linux...
[19:09:15] simcop2387-lap: justinh: i'm not sure how you'd damage the files doing that...
[19:09:32] directhex: jamesd__, sparc? seriously? who the fuck uses sparc now, if they don't need to run one specific ancient banking app?
[19:09:49] justinh: simcop2387-lap: if the streams aren't sliced, you totally lose the value of multithreaded decoding
[19:09:51] jamesd__: directhex, no.. database apps....
[19:10:00] DustyBin: Frosty-: did you re-compile your kernel and turn off usb auto suspend?
[19:10:08] Deek: If it weren't for the damn buffer cache invalidation taking so long, my myth box could run swap-free on 512M.
[19:10:12] directhex: databases are faster on anything that isn't sparc. jsut don't let sun know you know
[19:10:16] simcop2387-lap: justinh: i'm not sure what you're talking about now...
[19:10:22] Frosty-: yeah, .18, .22, .24, .. .22 was the most stable
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[19:10:44] jamesd__: directhex, ever tried to hot swap a cpu or ram in linux...
[19:10:54] Frosty-: I'm currently using "mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -ass -slang english,eng,en -subfont-text-scale 4 -sub-bg-alpha 100 -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threads=4 %s", is that as it should be?
[19:11:12] Deek: jamesd__: you switched from "sparc" to "linux"...does not compute.
[19:11:12] simcop2387-lap: jamesd__: i always wanted to try that (hotswapping hardware) but i don't have any systems that support it so i know it won't work
[19:11:28] directhex: jamesd__, ever tried to admin a solaris box without screaming and wanting to smash your skull out on a nearby rock face?
[19:11:40] directhex: Frosty-, how recent is your mplayer?
[19:11:47] justinh: simcop2387-lap: native h.264 from various sources is encoded in slices which can be allocated to different decoding threads at the same time. bugger up the slicing, and bye bye any advantage multi-cpu decoding might've had
[19:11:54] jamesd__: directhex, yes... daily i like solaris...
[19:12:00] directhex: freak :|
[19:12:04] Deek: heh
[19:12:04] simcop2387-lap: justinh: i was never talking about that, i was talking about the video manager in mythtv....
[19:12:07] directhex: no really
[19:12:12] jamesd__: directhex, yes but a well paid freak...
[19:12:18] Frosty-: directhex, MPlayer 1.0rc2–4.2.3-DFSG-free
[19:12:24] directhex: well, yes, madness is a rare gift
[19:12:27] justinh: oops I shoulda been talking to Frosty. my bad
[19:12:32] simcop2387-lap: justinh: haha
[19:12:33] directhex: Frosty-, you need an mplayer that's vaguely recent. rc2 is not
[19:12:57] directhex: Frosty-, you could always just use Internal
[19:12:59] justinh: anyway the comments re slices still stand. if it's been encoded by a retard.. you just need more mhz
[19:13:08] Frosty-: I need subtitles from mkv :/
[19:13:18] justinh: death to mkv!
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[19:14:09] directhex: jamesd__, i'd need a 50% pay hike to admin solaris again, i know that much
[19:14:24] directhex: to be fair, i had a system that was solaris and nice once
[19:14:28] justinh: I used to have to use solaris every day in my job. I don't miss that job
[19:14:41] directhex: whereby everything solarisy about it other than the kernel was binned. apt, dpkg, sunos. it was almost usable!
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[19:16:02] justinh: you couldn't hear yourself think in our office which had quite a few Sparc5 stations. Noisy as..
[19:16:46] justinh: they made a big deal about Toy Story being rendered on Sun kit.. wonder how long it'd have taken them on PCs :D
[19:17:28] directhex: the matrix was rendered on pcs running bsd
[19:17:48] directhex: 32 dual p2–450 machines
[19:17:59] justinh: bet that still took a while
[19:18:18] directhex: http://www.freebsd.org/news/press-rel-1.html
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[19:19:53] directhex: hah! the 3d effects for the pilot of bebylon 5 were rendered on a bunch of amigas :)
[19:20:32] yemu: hi, is it possible to scale live tv or recorded programs only vertically?
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[19:21:38] yemu: my tv doesn't allow me to scale pc signal vertically
[19:21:41] yemu: :-(
[19:22:40] directhex: just tell myth what ratio your tv is, and run your tv as big as possible (ie.. force 16:9 and let myth deal with 4:3 content, not the tv)
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[19:28:20] yemu: my tv is 16:9 and it uses 1024x768
[19:29:01] yemu: i set 16:9 in options, but i have tv broadcasted in 4:3
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[19:29:16] yemu: so it is "squashed"
[19:29:27] yemu: i want to scale it vertically
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[19:30:53] PatrickDK: Ok, I think i'm done disconnecting :)
[19:42:23] GreyFoxx: `
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[19:51:09] directhex: yemu, what kind of broken tv uses non-square pixels? are you sure it's not an EDID issue?
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[19:52:40] jamesd__: i thought the sony trinitron used rectangle pictures, and have idea what shape my hdtv uses for its 1080p at 1900x1080p in 42 lovely inches of display.
[19:52:46] jamesd__: er pixels
[19:53:56] directhex: jamesd__, it's a 16:9 screen?
[19:54:02] jamesd__: yes
[19:54:16] directhex: jamesd__, what is 1920 / 1080 * 9 ?
[19:56:09] jamesd__: 9
[19:56:44] directhex: think your calculator's broken is 1920 / 1080 = 1
[19:57:16] directhex: must be a solaris calculator bug!
[19:57:20] directhex: ;)
[19:57:44] jamesd__: nope a linux one... uname -av
[19:57:44] jamesd__: Linux opteron 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 02:46:46 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:58:20] directhex: well, you still typed it in wrong
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[19:58:43] jamesd__: bc 1.06
[19:58:43] jamesd__: Copyright 1991–1994, 1997, 1998, 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[19:58:43] jamesd__: This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
[19:58:43] jamesd__: For details type `warranty'.
[19:58:43] jamesd__: 1920 / 1080 * 9
[19:58:45] jamesd__: 9
[19:59:02] Anduin: integer only math
[19:59:10] directhex: don't use bc. bc is silly.
[19:59:20] GreyFoxx: use SCALE
[19:59:26] GreyFoxx: for how many decimal points
[19:59:28] GreyFoxx: SCALE=5
[19:59:36] GreyFoxx: then 1920/1080 * 9
[19:59:53] directhex: 1920/1080 is 1, for very large values of 1 :)
[20:00:13] GreyFoxx: oops lowercase scale :)
[20:00:17] jamesd__: 1920 / 1080 * 9
[20:00:17] jamesd__: 15.99993
[20:01:09] directhex: jamesd__, in short, 1920/1080 is 16/9
[20:01:22] directhex: jamesd__, so the pixels are normal
[20:01:41] directhex: jamesd__, any instance where resolution != aspect ratio is stupid & deserves slapping
[20:01:46] directhex: e.g. DVD
[20:02:19] jamesd__: cool
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[20:58:25] Yahooadam: is the radio times xml data old? "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-04–06 18:20 and ended on 2008-04–06 18:33. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 2 of 2 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure."
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[20:59:03] hadees: what release is that auto adjust fill patch going to be in?
[21:02:46] GreyFoxx: heh actually I just had a weird UI thing
[21:03:14] tjcarter: I have some of those
[21:03:21] directhex: Yahooadam, often the data is broken, and doesn't get inserted
[21:04:47] DustyBin: Encoder 4 is local on server and is recording: 'Headcases' on ITV1. This recording will end at 10:30 PM.
[21:05:01] Yahooadam: mythfilldatabase seems to be running fine, but im just not 100% sure my xmltv is working
[21:05:21] Yahooadam: i just wanted to see if this is something to do with me, or a general problem?
[21:08:53] Yahooadam: im just a bit worried, cos every time ive looked at mythtv for the last week or so, its had that error
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[21:14:30] directhex: Yahooadam, the RT source breaks often
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[21:31:06] Yahooadam: the mythtv upnp server will export music right? will it do videos too?
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[21:32:04] Yahooadam: also, in the "hostname" field in the "settings" table, i have a load of "NULL" values, are these defaults? or used by the master backend?
[21:32:36] GreyFoxx: defaults that all to all hosts
[21:32:44] GreyFoxx: and yes the uponp server will do music and videos
[21:33:27] Yahooadam: do you need "VideoLoaction" in the database for video? (like you need "MusicLocation")
[21:33:36] nasa: Has anyone tried compiling svn today?
[21:33:44] GreyFoxx: nasa: I did a few hours ago
[21:34:02] GreyFoxx: Yahooadam: just set your root video dir in mythvideo on the backend
[21:34:21] GreyFoxx: the backend will search there to find stuff to share out
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[21:34:38] Yahooadam: GreyFoxx – how do you set that on the backend?
[21:34:43] GreyFoxx: run mythfrontend
[21:34:46] nasa: I've been trying and the directory libmyth ends up in an infinite loop. "/usr/lib/qt4/bin/qmake -unix -o Makefile libmyth.pro" (over and over....)
[21:35:26] nasa: This is a clean download of svn...
[21:36:11] GreyFoxx: haven;t run into that. using r16973 here
[21:36:24] Yahooadam: 1 more question, what software UPnP client do you like/recommend? (for winblows)
[21:36:38] GreyFoxx: Yahooadam: I don't really use windows
[21:36:49] GreyFoxx: but nero seemed ok
[21:36:53] Yahooadam: what about linux?
[21:36:57] GreyFoxx: WMP was the first I came accross
[21:37:04] GreyFoxx: worst I meant, not first
[21:37:11] GreyFoxx: Yahooadam: djmount
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[21:37:19] Yahooadam: im running XP, so that doesnt even support UPnP for some reason
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[21:39:23] Yahooadam: cheers GreyFoxx
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[22:19:16] jams: GreyFoxx- i see you applied the jumppoint patch, thank you
[22:19:26] tgillespie: hi all, anyone know if one can buy a pvr pc card that supports the top up tv cards/satatnta sport cards?
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[22:21:14] natoka: n8
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[22:42:29] ShiftyPowers: anyone have a clue how to fix this when i'm compiling SVN
[22:42:29] ShiftyPowers: http://www.pastebin.ca/974648
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[22:49:13] Toast: Could someone remind me of the command line switch you are ment to add to mythfilldatabase after you have added new xmltv options please?
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[23:02:48] Justin__: anyone know of a guide to update mythbuntu to 0.21-fixes? I'm not sure if i can do a normal compile because of the way mythbuntu does things
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[23:04:56] nick_fn: Hello everyone. I'm installing MythTV for the first time. I'm using 0.20.2.svn20080126–0.1 on Debian. I've set up the backend with my one DVB-T USB tuner (it found the name of it OK), and 'radio times' as a video source. I ran mythfilldatabase --manual. The EPG is blank though, and I don't get a lock when trying to view Live TV. It found channels when scanning, and I've also tried importing my channels.conf from mplayer (which works fine).
[23:07:29] nick_fn: oh. Sorry to trouble. After some random channel hopping, it now seems happier...
[23:09:53] nick_fn: Maybe it was grabbing EIT data?
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