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| [00:00:12] | fryfrog: | so you have the password wrong |
| [00:00:15] | fryfrog: | keep trying :) |
| [00:00:17] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Heh-- I like-- I think I do prefer the blue, though |
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| [00:00:22] | Ward1983: | :s |
| [00:00:27] | Ward1983: | i copy pasted the damn password... |
| [00:00:35] | Ward1983: | how can it be wrong then |
| [00:00:36] | Ward1983: | lol |
| [00:00:44] | fryfrog: | sorry, nfi :( |
| [00:00:54] | Ward1983: | nfi = ? |
| [00:00:56] | justinh: | iamlindoro: anyway, the jist is that it's still gonna be face-able |
| [00:01:00] | fryfrog: | sometimes those "do it all for you" things can be more trouble that they are worth |
| [00:01:02] | justinh: | no ferkin idea |
| [00:01:04] | fryfrog: | no fucking idea |
| [00:01:05] | iamlindoro: | justinh: yah, I figured |
| [00:01:29] | fryfrog: | you could change the pass, assuming you also know the mysql root pw |
| [00:01:46] | justinh: | should do an Earth Day theme. Black text, black icons on a black background. save the world! |
| [00:02:10] | clever: | ASSERT failure in QCoreApplication::sendEvent: "Cannot send events to objects owned by a different thread. Current thread 87d51f8. Receiver '' (of type 'QObject') was created in thread 8172d90", file kernel/qcoreapplication.cpp, line 269 |
| [00:02:17] | iamlindoro: | Mmm, the lynx theme |
| [00:02:20] | justinh: | don't download any themes before 12pm on April 1 :) |
| [00:02:46] | Ward1983: | justinh, erm i dont have the .txt file with the mysql pqsseord yet i got the popup (and copy pasted the content so im sure i have the correct password) |
| [00:02:56] | Ward1983: | wtf is going on :s |
| [00:03:26] | iamlindoro: | You're realizing that installing MythTV and reading the docs aren't mutually exclusive |
| [00:03:30] | justinh: | no idea. they must've moved the goalposts again |
| [00:04:00] | Ward1983: | the popup talks about the same location |
| [00:04:11] | iamlindoro: | justinh: In a stroke of user-friendliness all passwords on Ubuntu have been replaced with carriage returns |
| [00:04:18] | Ward1983: | so basically mythtv jsut doesnt work... lol |
| [00:04:19] | Ward1983: | nice |
| [00:04:32] | iamlindoro: | taunting is unlikely to make anyone help you |
| [00:04:41] | iamlindoro: | in fact-- I'm going to laugh and watch TV now |
| [00:04:44] | Ward1983: | every single ubuntu installation i came here and tried to get it to work lol |
| [00:04:47] | Ward1983: | i NEVER succeeded |
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| [00:04:52] | Ward1983: | on all kinds of systems, etc |
| [00:05:02] | fryfrog: | i'm confused :/ |
| [00:05:05] | kormoc: | Ward1983, there's a common factor there, ubuntu. |
| [00:05:06] | iamlindoro: | Hmmm, and the other thing they shared in common was the user... what COULD the problem be |
| [00:05:11] | fryfrog: | you've tried myth on many systems and failed? |
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| [00:05:35] | Ward1983: | so now the question is: what university do i need to attend to get mythtv installed and working? |
| [00:05:47] | kormoc: | Ward1983, RTFMU |
| [00:05:49] | iamlindoro: | hooked on phonics might be enough |
| [00:05:56] | clever: | i got it working without even finishing grade 11! |
| [00:06:19] | Ward1983: | kormoc, THE MANUAL IS INCORRECT (i can use caps too) |
| [00:06:31] | ** justinh attended 17 night classes, running from 6pm – 3am on consecutive evenings, back in October 2004 or so ** | |
| [00:06:49] | fryfrog: | i only have ~2 years of college and i managed to install it :/ |
| [00:06:54] | fryfrog: | from svn even! |
| [00:07:07] | fryfrog: | Ward1983: where have you searched for this "mysql.txt" |
| [00:07:07] | iamlindoro: | where manual = some blog I found |
| [00:07:08] | fryfrog: | ? |
| [00:07:11] | chopp: | I realize the hauppauge hvr-1600, is not supported by mythtv, but *will* it work at all? |
| [00:07:11] | kormoc: | Ward1983, there's a ton of stuff on the wiki, and it's actually correct to use caps for aberrations |
| [00:07:15] | justinh: | Ward1983: for ubunuts, thou shalt refer-eth to-eth community documentation pages |
| [00:07:16] | Ward1983: | well i installed all other progs, compiled tons of them too |
| [00:07:32] | Ward1983: | i can get everything to work just fine accept mythtv, and im curious wtf i do wrong |
| [00:07:46] | iamlindoro: | I've already accepted mythtv |
| [00:07:50] | iamlindoro: | right into my heart |
| [00:07:55] | justinh: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV |
| [00:08:02] | iamlindoro: | YARRRRR |
| [00:08:03] | Ward1983: | justinh, thanx |
| [00:08:06] | kormoc: | Ward1983, ubuntu actually has their own dedicated channel on here for user problems, they're packages are non-standard |
| [00:08:22] | kormoc: | Ward1983, you might have better luck talking to them about what they might have changed and how to get it working |
| [00:08:38] | Ward1983: | kormoc, ill try the wiki first |
| [00:08:53] | justinh: | their packages can do stuff which can throw an experienced myther off course – it's all designed to make it easier for end-users |
| [00:09:04] | justinh: | whether it does or not I can't say... |
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| [00:11:19] | justinh: | grumble. spose I should look at the livetv guide before moving onto plugins |
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| [00:15:52] | Mr_Grieves: | I just rebuilt trunk, and while upgrading the database (from 1216 to 1219) I'm getting an error: "Duplicate entry 'Cl' for key 1". Any ideas of what the problem might be? |
| [00:16:32] | fryfrog: | can you search the db for that item and nuke it? |
| [00:16:35] | fryfrog: | (maybe make a backup first) |
| [00:16:53] | fryfrog: | also, you might get more info from "-v database" (i think that is the key word) |
| [00:18:38] | Mr_Grieves: | unfortunately, I'm not that good with sql — in a nutshell what would I need to do to search and delete in mySQL? |
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| [00:19:19] | TelnetManta: | where the heck does a video go when its ripped from DVD? |
| [00:19:31] | TelnetManta: | I dont see a setting to tell me where it goes? |
| [00:19:49] | cesman: | there isn't one |
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| [00:19:55] | cesman: | there use to be |
| [00:20:13] | cesman: | by default, it now goes to there you put videos for MythVideo |
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| [00:20:58] | TelnetManta: | k thanks |
| [00:23:59] | chopp: | anyone on the hauppauge hvr-1600? |
| [00:26:37] | Mr_Grieves: | hmmm...I seem to have really screwed things up now. I've got some of the auto-backups from the updates...what is the correct syntax to restore a .sql backup from the recordings dir? |
| [00:27:00] | iamlindoro: | chopp: What do you want anyone to say? It's a card w/ only experimental support in linuxtv, and I know of nobody actually using it in Myth. At best it's half-working in linuxTV, I wouldn't have a lot of faith in it working perfectly in Myth. |
| [00:27:26] | iamlindoro: | or t all, for that matter |
| [00:27:29] | iamlindoro: | er at |
| [00:29:02] | chopp: | ok, thanks for that. I guess that explains why I can't get it to work in mythtv. I knew it had limited capabilities, but thought it might at least work. |
| [00:29:39] | iamlindoro: | My guess would be Myth expects an mpeg-2 encoder type card to be an ivtv card, and the HVR-1600 isn't one. |
| [00:29:48] | chopp: | yup |
| [00:30:22] | iamlindoro: | DVB/ATSC functionality *might* more or less work, but no promises on that |
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| [00:30:39] | iamlindoro: | (assuming they've gotten around to implementing the digital side) |
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| [00:32:09] | chopp: | the only app so far I can use is mplayer. Nothing else I've tried will work with it. Oh well. |
| [00:32:49] | hadees: | anyone know whats up with MythPython? |
| [00:33:02] | justinh: | hadees: nope. fizzled out? |
| [00:33:12] | hadees: | well that sucks |
| [00:33:30] | hadees: | i wanted to try and use it to make a simple plugin to list my video podcasts as they come in |
| [00:34:45] | justinh: | real code isnt that hard. if I can do it.. |
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| [00:37:08] | hadees: | justinh, i tried it in the past but didn't really like the Qt programing |
| [00:37:43] | hadees: | is it better with the MythUI libs? |
| [00:37:55] | hadees: | since now i hear you go through them instead of directly to Qt |
| [00:38:29] | justinh: | take a look at the example plugin code in the wiki. very illuminating |
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| [00:39:24] | st1650: | Is it possible to launch the MythTV application using the remote ? |
| [00:39:54] | cesman: | st1650: yes, some people do it |
| [00:40:11] | cesman: | st1650: I'd suggest a search of the wiki or maliing list archives |
| [00:40:15] | st1650: | And how do you do it, is it using irexec ? |
| [00:40:54] | hadees: | justinh, is everything in the hello plugin still up to date? it looks like the bulk of that article was written over a year ago |
| [00:42:00] | justinh: | it was updated for mythui iirc |
| [00:43:37] | cesman: | st1650: if I knew, I'd have stated so... |
| [00:43:44] | cesman: | st1650: I know people do and have |
| [00:43:50] | cesman: | st1650: again, search |
| [00:44:58] | st1650: | cesman: I did |
| [00:45:04] | st1650: | cesman: I think I'm close |
| [00:45:30] | iamlindoro: | This sexual tension is killing me |
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| [00:50:33] | justinh: | live tv guide done and done |
| [00:51:09] | justinh: | telnet interface makes light work of bobbing in and out of features :) |
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| [00:55:23] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro: LMAO |
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| [01:02:19] | hadees: | so this is weird, media-tv/mythtv-0.22_alpha16791 is in portage but the latest versions of the plugins all require 0.21 |
| [01:02:28] | hadees: | oh i'm talking about gentoo |
| [01:02:57] | iamlindoro: | What with the portage and all |
| [01:03:02] | purserj: | so they haven't built the ebuild for 0.22 plugins then |
| [01:03:46] | hadees: | i guess so but i would have thought you would release those at the same time |
| [01:03:59] | hadees: | at least mythvideo |
| [01:04:11] | hadees: | i think i use mythvideo more then mythtv |
| [01:04:33] | kormoc: | hadees, not all mythplugins work yet |
| [01:04:45] | hadees: | guess i'll just mask mythtv 0.22 until the plugins catch up |
| [01:04:50] | kormoc: | hadees, we're in the middle of the qt4 port, so until they work, it's hardly worth using |
| [01:05:03] | kormoc: | well, having a ebuild at least |
| [01:05:14] | hadees: | kormoc, oh i did'nt know the changes were that big |
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| [01:08:07] | justinh: | wouldn't really recommend general folks use trunk right now |
| [01:08:27] | justinh: | when the qt4 stuff settles a little, sure, but not yet |
| [01:08:47] | hadees: | kormoc, well portage seems to want to give me qt4, if i am going back to 0.21 should i mask it so i get qt3? |
| [01:09:06] | xris: | .21 needs qt3 |
| [01:09:12] | xris: | trunk needs 4.3 |
| [01:09:45] | hadees: | justinh, yeah i know about that but i figured if a freeze shows up in portage that means its a somewhat stable build |
| [01:10:58] | purserj: | is it masked? |
| [01:11:25] | SLUG: | guys which card you recommend for hdtv ? |
| [01:12:17] | justinh: | heh never seen that question – can somebody just take a dvb-s card & use it for terrestrial stuff if they use an adapter to convert the connector type ? (nope) |
| [01:12:48] | TelnetManta: | huh |
| [01:13:13] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Not only have you seen that question, but we've seen the same question from the same user < 24 hours ago |
| [01:13:30] | justinh: | dvb-s & dvb-t – totally un-interchangable |
| [01:13:41] | TelnetManta: | true true |
| [01:13:43] | TelnetManta: | sry |
| [01:14:01] | SLUG: | any sugestions ? |
| [01:14:12] | iamlindoro: | SLUG: You were given an answer-- many, actually, *yesterday* |
| [01:14:20] | TelnetManta: | SLUG: Over the air? or? |
| [01:14:30] | SLUG: | no cable |
| [01:14:44] | SLUG: | i read but no sure |
| [01:14:58] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_ca . . . DTV.22_cards |
| [01:15:09] | iamlindoro: | SLUG: You need to also realize that you will likely only get local and network channels with a digital tuner from cable |
| [01:15:31] | iamlindoro: | and that eveything else will be encrypted, no matter what you get on your set top box |
| [01:15:42] | kormoc: | hadees, qt3 and qt4 can co-exist |
| [01:15:44] | iamlindoro: | and that there is absolutely *no way* for you to get all the other channels in HD |
| [01:15:46] | SLUG: | ok but i can put more than one for instance a fta card aswell right |
| [01:16:04] | kormoc: | hadees, and you likely have it set to ~x86/~amd64, which is the unstable branch |
| [01:16:18] | justinh: | SLUG: yeah. there are no lame restrictions on the number of tuners, like say _some_ other pvr apps do ;) |
| [01:16:28] | SLUG: | ok |
| [01:16:37] | SLUG: | cool |
| [01:16:39] | iamlindoro: | just a restriction that you will be unable to tune most of your channels via cable in the US of A |
| [01:16:43] | hadees: | kormoc, cool i didn't know that about them co-existing |
| [01:16:45] | iamlindoro: | at least in HD |
| [01:17:06] | justinh: | you can put as many tuners as you can fit in a PC & use them in mythtv – then make a slave backend & fill that with tuners.... ad infinitum (within practical limits) |
| [01:17:08] | SLUG: | ohh |
| [01:17:24] | SLUG: | no hd then even when using a 256qam card |
| [01:17:34] | hadees: | i'm just about to take the cable box with firewire plunge, i figure everytime i finally get my system pretty much 100% stable i need to throw another monkey wrench in it |
| [01:17:38] | kormoc: | SLUG, just fyi, iamlindoro was an unlucky user. There are areas in the us (Seattle is a big one) that allows unencrypted stuff over firewire. |
| [01:17:43] | iamlindoro: | You can get only waht is left unencrypted, which, for 99.99% of people in the US, is network TV only |
| [01:18:02] | justinh: | SLUG: you might be one of the lucky ones who get everything... or nothing.. or something in between |
| [01:18:08] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Actually I'm one of the lucky ones, I get everything via firewire :) |
| [01:18:21] | TelnetManta: | kormoc: Any links to documentation? I might try as well. |
| [01:18:25] | SLUG: | ok |
| [01:18:26] | justinh: | unless you find somebody who uses the same cable co as you and lives in the same area... |
| [01:18:40] | kormoc: | TelnetManta, the firewire entry in the wiki is good |
| [01:18:42] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i get the discovery channel and fox news unencrypted |
| [01:19:02] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, well, you should mention that firewire is a good thing to try rather then saying they won't get anything :P |
| [01:19:13] | darkwizzard: | are decoders like windows you can add them? |
| [01:19:13] | hadees: | i don't really know why those but oh well |
| [01:19:13] | justinh: | just buy a card which'll do ATSC & QAM – then at worst you'll only be able to get what you can with an antenna :) |
| [01:19:13] | hadees: | and discovery isn't hd |
| [01:19:21] | iamlindoro: | hadees: I get ~70 via QAM unencrypted, and everything via firewire except for one channel |
| [01:19:33] | justinh: | decoders? |
| [01:19:36] | Mr_Grieves: | Is there any way to find out the db schema's change? I'm seeing the same bug as ticket 5070 and I'd just like to roll my trunk back to an older revision, but I'm not sure how far back to go. |
| [01:19:48] | hadees: | iamlindoro, you get 70 channels unencrypted with QAM? where the hell do you live |
| [01:19:57] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: didn't give me the chance to get that far |
| [01:20:04] | iamlindoro: | hadees: San Francisco Bay Area |
| [01:20:06] | darkwizzard: | playback codec coders |
| [01:20:30] | hadees: | iamlindoro, who is your cable provider? |
| [01:20:39] | hadees: | that is crazy, i have never heard of anyone getting that many |
| [01:20:44] | SLUG: | the hauppauge 150 is that good for that ? |
| [01:20:45] | TelnetManta: | Wonder is Charter is so nice..... |
| [01:20:45] | justinh: | darkwizzard: mythtv comes with all the decoding you're ever likely to need – infact everything ffmpeg works with (when mythtv was last synced to it in the code) |
| [01:20:50] | iamlindoro: | Comcast-- in general, the west coast tends to do much better that the east coast |
| [01:21:20] | iamlindoro: | SF Bay Area/Portland/Seattle get tons via QAM and firewire, Boston, NY, Philly seem to get screwed pretty hard by Comcast |
| [01:21:25] | hadees: | see i don't get that i know people with Comcast that don't get that many |
| [01:21:28] | justinh: | darkwizzard: but no you can't just add codecs. no reason why you should have to really |
| [01:21:32] | darkwizzard: | i can't seem find the best one for my video card |
| [01:21:37] | darkwizzard: | i get shadows |
| [01:21:43] | hadees: | why does Comcast have different unencrypted channels in different areas |
| [01:21:46] | hadees: | it makes no sense |
| [01:22:02] | iamlindoro: | hadees: They're franchises, it's different even from neighborhood to neighborhood, all depends on local headend engineers |
| [01:22:08] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro: what kind of box? |
| [01:22:20] | justinh: | well, time for bed or I'll be late for work |
| [01:22:23] | hadees: | Comcast is a franchise? i didn't know that |
| [01:22:23] | iamlindoro: | TelnetManta: a DCH-3200 and a DCT-6200 |
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| [01:22:30] | hadees: | oh well i have time warner |
| [01:22:44] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: you are in CA? |
| [01:22:50] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: yup |
| [01:22:51] | fryfrog: | oh, duh |
| [01:22:56] | fryfrog: | read up 3 or 4 lines :) |
| [01:23:23] | fryfrog: | in a month or so i'll have a pair of STBs, will find out if firewire is totally open in Mountain View :) |
| [01:23:32] | hadees: | all have to add unencrypted QAM channels to my list of reasons to move to SF |
| [01:23:43] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [01:23:44] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: Very likely, most of the bay seems to be roughly equivalent |
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| [01:24:06] | fryfrog: | at the very least, that component input card comes out soon i hope? |
| [01:24:08] | iamlindoro: | HAve seen the same, more or less, in SF, Foster City, Palo Alto, San Jose |
| [01:24:27] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: soon in the grand scheme of things, yes... but no definitive release date |
| [01:24:27] | hadees: | fryfrog, component input card? |
| [01:24:28] | darkwizzard: | justinh what causes shadows only on white parts |
| [01:24:38] | iamlindoro: | it's a box, not a card, but close enough |
| [01:24:58] | hadees: | what are you going to do with a component input box? |
| [01:25:09] | iamlindoro: | hadees: capture HD without worrying about encryption? |
| [01:25:18] | fryfrog: | hd capture, no firewire/encryption? |
| [01:25:19] | bobgill: | I just got a pvr-150, I'm trying to set up the remote for use with vlc, xine, etc.. can someone help? I am using wiki from arch here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lirc |
| [01:25:27] | fryfrog: | oh, yeah it is a usb device isn't it? |
| [01:25:27] | hadees: | iamlindoro, oh so no firewire |
| [01:25:32] | iamlindoro: | As the box sexily converts it to h.264.... |
| [01:25:37] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: yep, USB |
| [01:25:39] | hadees: | iamlindoro, how do you control the box? |
| [01:25:44] | hadees: | i mean the cable box? |
| [01:25:46] | hadees: | ir blaster? |
| [01:25:49] | bobgill: | The receiver lights up when I hit a button, dmesg shows the device is added/being recognized, just trying to get it to work now |
| [01:25:50] | iamlindoro: | hadees: yes |
| [01:26:08] | iamlindoro: | or, I suppose, with the firewire channel changer |
| [01:26:29] | iamlindoro: | if one was so inclined |
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| [01:26:33] | hadees: | hmm, how much is this going to cost? |
| [01:26:37] | iamlindoro: | $250 |
| [01:26:40] | hadees: | ouch |
| [01:26:58] | fryfrog: | ouch |
| [01:27:03] | fryfrog: | that i wasn't expecting |
| [01:27:04] | iamlindoro: | small price to pay to capture all channels, Blu-ray, satellite, anything you want that outputs via component |
| [01:27:48] | hadees: | iamlindoro, well it isn't that buying one of those would break my bank but i would like multiple ones for multiple recordings at the same time |
| [01:27:50] | fryfrog: | bobgill: does the remote work in myth? |
| [01:28:03] | fryfrog: | yeah, me to hadees |
| [01:28:05] | fryfrog: | 2 at least |
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| [01:28:21] | bobgill: | I am going to install myth tomorrow.. just trying to get the remote going on my system |
| [01:28:24] | iamlindoro: | hadees: I intend to buy one as insurance, and go on capturing via firewire and QAM until forced to stop. |
| [01:28:40] | fryfrog: | bobgill: ah, wreslting with lirc is no fun :( |
| [01:29:01] | hadees: | well you live in the magic land of unencrypted channels |
| [01:29:13] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: you going to *use* it? or just stick it in your matress? |
| [01:29:32] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: Well I do have *one* 5C'ed channel *snicker* |
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| [01:30:20] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [01:30:22] | fryfrog: | which one? |
| [01:30:26] | iamlindoro: | HBO HD |
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| [01:30:43] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [01:30:45] | iamlindoro: | Which I don't really care about anyway |
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| [01:30:58] | fryfrog: | you get the other pay channels non-5c? or just don't pay for them at all? |
| [01:31:03] | hadees: | what i don't get is why would the FCC put out a mandate for firewire when the cable companies can just encrypt the damn channels |
| [01:31:06] | fryfrog: | i assume you pays for hbo? |
| [01:31:10] | hadees: | doesn't that defeat the entire purpose |
| [01:31:10] | iamlindoro: | I *may* switch one STB completely to it and crank up the priority of that tuner |
| [01:31:22] | iamlindoro: | hadees: the FCC only mandates that they give you locals via firewire, not everything |
| [01:31:23] | fryfrog: | hadees: it works with firewire tvs and recorders |
| [01:31:42] | hadees: | really its only local? |
| [01:31:46] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [01:32:00] | fryfrog: | i *think* they really did firewire back when it actually looked like it might be the "connector of the future" |
| [01:32:01] | iamlindoro: | Anything else is by their good grace |
| [01:32:03] | fryfrog: | sort of |
| [01:32:09] | fryfrog: | and yeah, the above too |
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| [01:32:26] | fryfrog: | but there *are* TVs that can connect via firewire and show naything (in theory) |
| [01:32:33] | hadees: | well here is hoping Austin, TX time warner are nice guys |
| [01:32:35] | fryfrog: | and dvhs devices that follow the rules of 5c |
| [01:32:50] | fryfrog: | comcast in atl, for me, was wide open too |
| [01:33:21] | hadees: | fryfrog, QAM or from the cable box via firewire? |
| [01:33:38] | fryfrog: | firewire via cable |
| [01:33:50] | fryfrog: | qam got me locals, and a number of the "crap" channels |
| [01:34:09] | fryfrog: | but it was to annoying to deal with, they switched around the channels 1 time to many for me to care about |
| [01:34:20] | fryfrog: | so i just switched to OTA and only kept cable for interwebs |
| [01:35:03] | hadees: | wow so you only watch what you can get off OTA? |
| [01:41:24] | chopp: | finally! well the hauppauge hvr-1600 IS working with mythtv. |
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| [01:42:13] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro: what distro are you running? Ubuntu? |
| [01:42:21] | TelnetManta: | I seem to remember not. |
| [01:43:37] | iamlindoro: | TelnetManta: Ubuntu some placed, debian others |
| [01:43:39] | iamlindoro: | er places |
| [01:44:15] | TelnetManta: | I asked specifically to know what you run with the firewire connection to the STB |
| [01:44:34] | iamlindoro: | TelnetManta: The only distro I am aware of with some firewire wonkiness is Fedora |
| [01:44:50] | iamlindoro: | and IIRC a recent enough kernel fixes that as well |
| [01:45:06] | iamlindoro: | Your firewire chipset has a lot more to do with it IMO |
| [01:45:34] | fryfrog: | hadees: well, i'm in the middle of moving to CA, so I don't watch anything |
| [01:46:18] | fryfrog: | TelnetManta: I ran firewire w/ unbuntu, maybe not "no problem" but i th ink the errors were with the comcast hardware, not firewire |
| [01:46:34] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i haven't gotten my firewire card yet, any suggestions so i don't have firewire problems? |
| [01:46:38] | hadees: | on the card i mean |
| [01:46:51] | TelnetManta: | trying to decide if I can try it without breaking my current setup. Its working so well LOL |
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| [01:46:57] | iamlindoro: | hadees: look at the firewire wiki page, what's there is as much I can tell you about firewire chipsets in myth |
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| [01:47:14] | iamlindoro: | I personally have one TI chipset, one VIA, both are working perfectly |
| [01:47:22] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i've looked there and not much help, seems like it is a crap shoot |
| [01:47:28] | omry: | hi, I know this is a bit off-topic, so if anyone can help we can move to pm: I am trying to install lirc on 2.6.24, I did m-a a-i lirc-modules-source, and then dpkg -i the resulting deb. when I try to modprobe lirc_serial I get no error, but a bunch of errors into syslog, any idea? http://yadan.net/omry/lirc_serial.txt |
| [01:47:36] | hadees: | guess i'll just buy it at frys and keep returning it until i get one that works |
| [01:47:48] | fryfrog: | i think i had the same, a cheap via pci card and a built in ti |
| [01:47:53] | fryfrog: | i had one tuner on each |
| [01:48:02] | iamlindoro: | hadees: not sure why that wouldn't seem like much help, there are chipsets which people have used without issue, and others that have some issue... not sure what else you could want |
| [01:48:28] | hadees: | iamlindoro, they all seemed to have issues and its hard to tell from the packaging which card has which chipset |
| [01:48:53] | fryfrog: | hadees: the intarwebs should easily tell you w hat chipset a card has |
| [01:48:53] | iamlindoro: | hadees: so get product numbers, go home, google for chipset, and return and buy |
| [01:49:08] | fryfrog: | or you could just buy the cheapest one, keep reciept, find out, use or return |
| [01:49:18] | iamlindoro: | ^^^^ That worked for me |
| [01:49:25] | iamlindoro: | cheapest card at Frys = win |
| [01:49:26] | kormoc: | till you get the crap of, hw rev 1 fails, rev 2 works, rev 3 fails |
| [01:49:27] | fryfrog: | ^^^ is what i did :) |
| [01:49:39] | fryfrog: | first one worked fine too |
| [01:49:45] | fryfrog: | even the built in ti on my mb worked okay |
| [01:49:57] | fryfrog: | does anyone *chain* 2 firewire STBs? |
| [01:50:01] | kormoc: | via is banned from my network |
| [01:50:07] | fryfrog: | like fw -> stb -> stb? |
| [01:50:10] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: I have, it worked ok |
| [01:50:11] | kormoc: | fryfrog, sure, slicerdicer used to at least |
| [01:50:19] | kormoc: | he had 3 on a chain |
| [01:50:20] | fryfrog: | i'll ha ve to try that again |
| [01:50:23] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [01:50:26] | iamlindoro: | ended up moving the second STB upstairs to the slave backend, but not because of functionality issues |
| [01:50:37] | fryfrog: | i had problems with them swiching nodes, but this was before you could reference by guid |
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| [01:50:49] | fryfrog: | to have a real STB near a TV? |
| [01:50:50] | hadees: | i thought a daisy chain was how you are supposed to do it |
| [01:51:09] | kormoc: | hadees, it doesn't really matter |
| [01:51:10] | fryfrog: | there isn't anything wrong with having 1 STB per port |
| [01:51:15] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: nope, simpler than that, to redistribute electrical usage across circuits |
| [01:51:33] | fryfrog: | ahaha |
| [01:51:38] | fryfrog: | the STB made that big a deal? |
| [01:51:42] | fryfrog: | mm, shit |
| [01:51:46] | iamlindoro: | I moved four or five things |
| [01:51:49] | fryfrog: | my apartment is going to burn down |
| [01:51:54] | fryfrog: | i might have to do the same thing :/ |
| [02:03:41] | SLUG: | guys i am lost,, i have a pc all i need is the fta and 256qam card ? |
| [02:05:08] | bobgill: | well the remote is recognized by irrecord.. can't get it going with irw tho :\ |
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| [02:07:21] | iamlindoro: | bobgill: if you get anything with irrecord/mode2 but not irw, then your lircd.conf is wrong |
| [02:07:42] | bobgill: | hmm |
| [02:07:58] | iamlindoro: | so dump in one appropriate for your remote (or record one with irrecord) and you'll be fine. |
| [02:08:24] | bobgill: | but I did, I got one from lirc.org |
| [02:08:28] | bobgill: | for mceusb |
| [02:08:46] | iamlindoro: | where'd you get the remote? |
| [02:09:11] | bobgill: | http://infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=335838 |
| [02:09:52] | omry: | anyone got lirc 0.8.3-pre1 source archive? |
| [02:10:03] | iamlindoro: | bobgill: dunno what to tell you-- if you get output with mode2, but not via irw, it is 100% your lircd.conf |
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| [02:15:14] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro: DCH6200, do you know if that STB works? |
| [02:17:08] | iamlindoro: | TelnetManta: I'm torn between telling you to check the wiki and telling you the answer |
| [02:17:18] | iamlindoro: | so I'll be nice and say yes, it works |
| [02:17:31] | iamlindoro: | but that you really ought to read the firewire wiki page for your information first |
| [02:17:53] | bobgill: | iamlindoro: ok I just made my lircd.conf, did every button, worked fine. I copied it to /etc/lircd.conf, ran irw, and irw just sits there running blank on any button |
| [02:18:57] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro: Im on that page. That box isnt listed. Theres a dcT6200 though as well as you mentioned you had that box. |
| [02:18:59] | iamlindoro: | bobgill: a) presumably you restarted lircd, but b) I would look at permissions and c) in many cases you have to give irw the dev node as a command lineoption |
| [02:19:07] | bobgill: | ahhh |
| [02:19:10] | TelnetManta: | I always go searching first btw. |
| [02:19:11] | bobgill: | i restarted the daemon |
| [02:19:16] | bobgill: | it is showing output now |
| [02:19:31] | iamlindoro: | TelnetManta: Ts and Hs are identical, only difference is one has a built in mcard, one has a cablecard |
| [02:20:00] | jamesd: | hmm given his name is telnet, he always sends his passwd in plaintext before searching... ;-p |
| [02:20:03] | TelnetManta: | thanks, see the wiki doesnt say that :-) |
| [02:20:21] | bobgill: | how do I get it to work with xine/vlc/etc ? |
| [02:20:31] | iamlindoro: | google does |
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| [02:20:47] | iamlindoro: | bobgill: read the myth lirc page... you need to write an lircrc |
| [02:20:59] | TelnetManta: | I wont have this box for long actually, I should be getting a HD/DVR in abt 30 days... Bet its pretty locked down. Its a HMI box? |
| [02:22:40] | iamlindoro: | TelnetManta: For HD STBs, most companies with 3200s and 6200s give out 3216s and 6216s, which are identical boxes plus the DVR functionality... I presume by HMI you mean HDMI, which is just one of the output ports and doesn't mean anything with regard to its open or closedness |
| [02:23:01] | iamlindoro: | all four of the above have firewire, and I have recorded from firewire on all four |
| [02:23:22] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro: No I was told thats the manufacturer of the new DVR.... |
| [02:23:39] | iamlindoro: | Never heard of them |
| [02:23:51] | TelnetManta: | me either |
| [02:24:23] | iamlindoro: | Neither, it appears, has google |
| [02:24:36] | iamlindoro: | but lots of results saying Charter is giving out Moto 6216s... |
| [02:24:44] | iamlindoro: | er 6416s, that is |
| [02:25:24] | TelnetManta: | hope yur right |
| [02:25:52] | TelnetManta: | they did mention that theres a shortage from the manufacturer hence my wait. They also said that Comcast uses the same model so you're prolly right. |
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| [02:31:10] | bobgill: | iamlindoro: okay I made a ~/.lircrc file, here's the begnning of it that I've edited so far: http://pastebin.com/m214d37a8 |
| [02:31:20] | bobgill: | but it still doesn't work when I open a video in xine |
| [02:32:12] | iamlindoro: | I know nothing about xine keybindings |
| [02:32:21] | iamlindoro: | #xine would be the appropriate place for help with that |
| [02:32:38] | iamlindoro: | (if such a place exists) |
| [02:33:05] | SLUG: | guys some twinhan required ext power ? |
| [02:33:41] | TelnetManta: | SLUG: yes |
| [02:33:45] | SLUG: | ok |
| [02:33:54] | TelnetManta: | they have trouble switching otherwise |
| [02:34:17] | TelnetManta: | just use a DP44 powered switch and be done with it. |
| [02:34:27] | bobgill: | must I restart the lirc daemon everytime I edit .lircrc or is it immediate? |
| [02:34:52] | SLUG: | TelnetManta: what should i look for before buying one, i only have a dish pro 500 not power ? |
| [02:34:59] | iamlindoro: | bobgill: lircd doesn't read lircrc, the application does |
| [02:35:02] | bobgill: | haha |
| [02:35:04] | bobgill: | works!!! |
| [02:35:14] | bobgill: | i had to comment out the "remote = xxxxx" lines everywhere |
| [02:35:16] | bobgill: | sweet :D |
| [02:35:29] | TelnetManta: | the DP44 (switch) will work just fine with your DP500 dish and LNB's |
| [02:35:54] | iamlindoro: | bobgill: Well if your remote wasn't named "xxxxx" in lircd.conf, that would do it |
| [02:35:55] | TelnetManta: | If you get a DP44 make sure it comes with the power inserter... |
| [02:36:13] | SLUG: | ohh no i don't want a switch i just need the card |
| [02:36:37] | TelnetManta: | SLUG: advice given.... |
| [02:36:41] | TelnetManta: | BTDT |
| [02:36:57] | SLUG: | ok |
| [02:37:15] | TelnetManta: | started with the same cards... |
| [02:38:06] | SLUG: | TelnetManta: which card do u recommend me ? |
| [02:38:18] | TelnetManta: | SkyStar 2 |
| [02:38:42] | SLUG: | ok |
| [02:39:57] | SLUG: | and for tv (256qam) ? |
| [02:44:37] | TelnetManta: | no idea abt regular tv |
| [02:44:39] | TelnetManta: | sry |
| [02:44:45] | SLUG: | ok |
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| [02:45:18] | SLUG: | TelnetManta: Can you get hd channels from that card ? |
| [02:45:50] | TelnetManta: | the SkyStar? |
| [02:45:59] | SLUG: | yes |
| [02:46:14] | TelnetManta: | the simple answer would be: some |
| [02:46:19] | SLUG: | ok |
| [02:46:35] | TelnetManta: | thats all I can say without breaking any rules. |
| [02:46:48] | SLUG: | cool |
| [02:47:43] | SLUG: | TelnetManta: i have a ati 9800 pro ... what do you think ? (for mythbox) |
| [02:47:51] | bobgill: | iamlindoro: thanks a lot for your help :) |
| [02:48:24] | SLUG: | How much hd do a mythbox needs more or less, ? |
| [02:48:51] | bobgill: | well, one hour is roughly 1 gig I believe |
| [02:48:59] | SLUG: | ok |
| [02:49:00] | iamlindoro: | not for HD it's not |
| [02:49:07] | iamlindoro: | HD is 7–8 GB/hr |
| [02:49:15] | bobgill: | ooh yeah much more |
| [02:49:17] | SLUG: | ohh |
| [02:49:23] | TelnetManta: | yes, Iamlindoro saved me from typing that |
| [02:49:44] | TelnetManta: | of course it also dipends on the bitrate..... Most are much lower that standard |
| [02:49:51] | TelnetManta: | *than |
| [02:50:04] | TelnetManta: | *depends, sheesh cant type tonight |
| [02:51:13] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro: thanks for the help. Guess I'll grab a firewire cable from work tomorrow and see what I can break. :_) |
| [02:51:43] | iamlindoro: | TelnetManta: no problem, good luck! |
| [02:52:24] | TelnetManta: | what chans wont be availible? Premium chans (even if I pay for them)? |
| [02:52:37] | iamlindoro: | totally dependent on headend |
| [02:52:42] | TelnetManta: | guess it depends on my area |
| [02:52:45] | TelnetManta: | thought so |
| [02:52:45] | iamlindoro: | I get all my premiums except HBO HD |
| [02:54:03] | TelnetManta: | well time for bed. have fun peeps |
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| [03:04:44] | Piffer: | where does mythtv look for cover art for video files? |
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| [03:26:03] | kormoc: | Piffer, where you tell it to look? It's a setting iirc |
| [03:30:03] | Piffer: | kormoc: do you know where I would set that setting? |
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| [03:30:44] | kormoc: | Piffer, frontend, settings->somewhere |
| [03:31:16] | kormoc: | Decepticon, so, I'm a huge fan of the microsoft mce usb remote |
| [03:31:17] | Decepticon: | what remote control and reciever should i get? what worked best in your experience as mythtv users? |
| [03:31:22] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I am totally using that next time someone asks |
| [03:31:32] | iamlindoro: | Settings->Somewhere, that is |
| [03:31:33] | Piffer: | kormoc: thanks... I found it |
| [03:31:40] | Decepticon: | kormoc i see, do you have a model number i can look up |
| [03:32:19] | kormoc: | Decepticon, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote |
| [03:32:28] | kormoc: | I have the middle one and love it |
| [03:32:56] | Decepticon: | can you control your mouse with it on your regular desktop if you wanted to with this remote? |
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| [03:33:20] | kormoc: | there's a lirc app to do that, so likely |
| [03:33:41] | Decepticon: | i see. and this comes with a usb dongle, i assume? |
| [03:33:59] | kormoc: | yes, it's a usb receiver and ir blaster in one device |
| [03:34:58] | Decepticon: | all of that came with the remote (isnt this a MCE remote, did you have to buy MCE to get it?) |
| [03:35:02] | Decepticon: | > |
| [03:35:07] | Decepticon: | *? |
| [03:35:37] | kormoc: | aye, it's all with the remote. I got it in a pack, but it's sold by itself as well as with a keyboard/mouse ir device that's decently snazzy as well |
| [03:35:46] | kormoc: | no windows/mce required |
| [03:36:18] | Decepticon: | hmm interesting |
| [03:36:49] | Decepticon: | do you use it to control your regular TV as well with your remote kormoc? |
| [03:36:59] | Decepticon: | ie: is it programmable to your TV as well |
| [03:37:10] | kormoc: | it has programmable vol and power buttons for the tv, which is all I need |
| [03:37:14] | Piffer: | Does anyone know what I might be missing, if Mythtv crashes when I try to play an MP3 file? |
| [03:37:19] | kormoc: | so I can turn the tv on and off and control the vol |
| [03:37:30] | Piffer: | Running Mythbuntu |
| [03:37:30] | kormoc: | Piffer, check the frontend output, it should give you hints |
| [03:38:06] | Decepticon: | okay kormoc, i think ill get the same :) |
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| [03:40:54] | Decepticon: | kormoc and you're using irc_mceusb2 version >= 0.24 (lirc-0.8.2) ? |
| [03:42:10] | kormoc: | I'm using lirc 0.8.3_pre1, but I've used from lirc 0.8.0 till current |
| [03:43:13] | Decepticon: | how did your remote's functionality compare when using lirc 0.80 (debian only has this version, im on debian. i'd rather not compile stuff) |
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| [03:44:07] | kormoc: | it worked decently well for me, but I know others were complaining about duped button presses and that was suposto be fixed in 0.8.2 iirc |
| [03:45:09] | Decepticon: | alright, good enough for me |
| [03:45:25] | Decepticon: | thanks for all that info |
| [03:45:37] | kormoc: | you're welcome |
| [03:46:16] | Decepticon: | i dont have a tv tuner card yet because im pretty sure my power supply is working overtime right now |
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| [03:46:35] | Decepticon: | im a 250 watt psu, and im sure im around 85% |
| [03:46:48] | Decepticon: | :o |
| [03:46:52] | kormoc: | some prv 150's come bundled with the mce remote, might be cheaper that way |
| [03:47:04] | Decepticon: | oh neat |
| [03:47:20] | Decepticon: | i'd just have to either upgrade my psu or unplug some random stuff heh |
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| [03:49:16] | Guyfromhe: | ya dun wanna overload your PSU |
| [03:49:53] | Decepticon: | definitely |
| [03:50:33] | Decepticon: | i can save 15W by unplugging my cdrom (which i have no use) and manage 5W from here or there and support a 20W pvr 150 right? |
| [03:50:37] | Guyfromhe: | I replaced my PSU while tracking down a nasty bug, I believe it was half the problem |
| [03:51:04] | Guyfromhe: | does a CD rom use power when it's idle? |
| [03:51:13] | Decepticon: | not sure |
| [03:51:16] | kormoc: | nope |
| [03:51:19] | Guyfromhe: | i doubt it uses 15w at idle |
| [03:51:25] | Guyfromhe: | maybe when the motor and laser are on |
| [03:51:36] | Decepticon: | well then im not really getting 15w |
| [03:51:38] | Guyfromhe: | i'm sure it draws a little for the IDE interface, but the main load would be the motors and laswer |
| [03:52:03] | kormoc: | Guyfromhe, it goes into power saving mode after being idle after awhile, should use very very little |
| [03:52:12] | Guyfromhe: | ah |
| [03:52:30] | Guyfromhe: | my 350 was good for a while |
| [03:52:36] | Guyfromhe: | but it was starting to heat up alot |
| [03:52:41] | Guyfromhe: | and my machine was locking up quite a bit |
| [03:52:46] | Guyfromhe: | so I repalced it and most of the problems went away |
| [03:52:55] | Guyfromhe: | I also had a pci latency issue |
| [03:53:22] | kormoc: | I have a 550(650 peak) and that's powering a decent bit |
| [03:53:55] | PatrickDK: | I have some pci master issue I think |
| [03:54:05] | PatrickDK: | my 350 works fine, and my 3ware 7506 works fine |
| [03:54:10] | PatrickDK: | but when both are in at the same time |
| [03:54:17] | PatrickDK: | I keep getting random lockups |
| [03:54:41] | kormoc: | try enabling bus mastering in the bios, the 7xxx cards always had issues if that wasn't enabled |
| [03:54:53] | PatrickDK: | there is no option to turn it off :) |
| [03:55:04] | PatrickDK: | I did adjust the pci timings and wait options |
| [03:55:07] | PatrickDK: | helped it some |
| [03:55:19] | PatrickDK: | so now it's like once a week issue instead of every hour |
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| [03:55:33] | PatrickDK: | but I'm just going move the 350 to a different box |
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| [03:56:17] | Guyfromhe: | I don't have any issues anymore |
| [03:56:39] | Guyfromhe: | threw a 450W in, removed all the un-needed stuff and fixed PCI timings and the lockups and corrupt mpegs are gone now |
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| [04:05:12] | pembo13_com: | is it possible to reassign a channel? Channel 23 is supposed to be Science Channel, but the listings are on Channel 43 |
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| [04:07:20] | Guyfromhe: | are you using SD? |
| [04:07:41] | Decepticon: | i have another dumb question, i dont have digital cable with a topbox or anything, im not sure what i have, i get like 70–80 channels from the wall, is it possible to get a tv listing off this with a pvr 150 using the internet or even the wall itself? |
| [04:08:19] | Guyfromhe: | you have analog cable it sounds like |
| [04:08:25] | Guyfromhe: | do you use coax? |
| [04:08:36] | pembo13_com: | Guyfromhe, yes, i am, was just going through the forums |
| [04:08:42] | Guyfromhe: | either that or you have a very intertaining wall |
| [04:08:58] | Guyfromhe: | pembo13_com: if their listings are wrong use the correction form on their site |
| [04:09:01] | Decepticon: | Guyfromhe, i think its coaxial cable haha |
| [04:09:06] | Decepticon: | my entertaining wall :D |
| [04:09:09] | pembo13_com: | Guyfromhe, cool.. will look for that |
| [04:09:22] | Guyfromhe: | I think you can re-assign a channel in mythtv-setup, but you should put in a ticket so they can fix it for everyone |
| [04:09:45] | Guyfromhe: | Decepticon: use schedules direct |
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| [04:10:41] | Decepticon: | thats $20 / year right? |
| [04:11:48] | pembo13_com: | Guyfromhe, just did |
| [04:14:02] | Piffer: | Anyone successfully added a UStream.TV feed into the Stream section in MythTv? |
| [04:15:13] | GreyFoxx: | dec-: yeah |
| [04:16:11] | Guyfromhe: | yup $20 / year |
| [04:16:13] | Guyfromhe: | it's cheap |
| [04:16:32] | Guyfromhe: | it was a bargin at $5 / month |
| [04:16:48] | Guyfromhe: | Tivo charges $15 / month for listings |
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| [04:22:14] | mlieber: | hey folks |
| [04:23:15] | mlieber: | anyone here aever heard of someone hacking a popcorn hour a-100 to use as a cheap thinclient ? |
| [04:23:56] | iamlindoro_: | Hasn't been done-- besides, they've been out for like five minutes |
| [04:24:22] | kormoc: | popcorn hour? sounds like a very slow popcorn popper |
| [04:24:36] | iamlindoro_: | Even if you did you would likely lose a lot of the h.264 acceleration and stuff that makes it worthwhile-- It's far more valuable as a uPnP device for myth IMO |
| [04:25:09] | mlieber: | so you think it makes more sense just to use as is to access all my network shared media content ? |
| [04:25:54] | iamlindoro_: | Yes. that device minus the hardware acceleration just makes it a poor mythfrontend-- why have a poor frontend when you can have an awesome uPnP client? |
| [04:26:25] | mlieber: | cheap, low power consumption |
| [04:26:31] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, you should know better than to talk sense into people (or are people different today? :) |
| [04:26:39] | iamlindoro_: | yes, but useless without the HW accel |
| [04:26:55] | Guyfromhe: | you could buy a PC for the same price |
| [04:27:18] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: I think perhaps I'm the crazy one for trying all the time |
| [04:27:19] | Guyfromhe: | not a good one, but still |
| [04:27:38] | mlieber: | what does it run at 199 ? |
| [04:27:47] | PatrickDK: | you can get a dual-core 2.8ghz sff from dell right now for around 700 |
| [04:28:11] | mlieber: | popcorn hour is under 200 bucks |
| [04:28:27] | PatrickDK: | mlieber, they don't have cpu's |
| [04:28:34] | PatrickDK: | they have a hardware codec processor |
| [04:28:40] | PatrickDK: | they can do what they do and NOTHING else |
| [04:28:49] | mlieber: | I figured i could use flash if it was hacked no ? |
| [04:29:01] | mlieber: | Boot off that, add my dongles |
| [04:29:21] | mlieber: | oh crap |
| [04:29:21] | mlieber: | nm |
| [04:29:24] | PatrickDK: | what good is that, when you end up with a 500mhz machine? |
| [04:29:35] | iamlindoro_: | You can't use the hardware accel once you hack it, and without the hardware acceleration of various codecs, it would be too weak to do much of anything |
| [04:29:52] | iamlindoro_: | whereas if you leave it alone, it'll play anything you throw at it via uPnP |
| [04:30:19] | mlieber: | I just basically want to put something cheap as crap wiht extremely low power consumption in my shed out behind my house ... so when i bring out my orbiter |
| [04:30:19] | iamlindoro_: | and that all presumes you *could* hack it |
| [04:30:25] | mlieber: | i can select music |
| [04:31:11] | PatrickDK: | hack a wrt54gs :) |
| [04:33:13] | Guyfromhe: | just for music? |
| [04:33:19] | mlieber: | ya |
| [04:33:22] | PatrickDK: | I need to make a custom extention cord |
| [04:33:22] | Guyfromhe: | get a media mvp |
| [04:33:25] | Guyfromhe: | on ebay |
| [04:33:28] | Guyfromhe: | their like $50 |
| [04:33:38] | mlieber: | can i select all the music off the orbiter still ? |
| [04:33:40] | Guyfromhe: | you can either use the stock firmware of the myth plugin |
| [04:34:06] | Guyfromhe: | err |
| [04:34:09] | mlieber: | thank you |
| [04:34:15] | Guyfromhe: | orbiter? |
| [04:34:41] | mlieber: | ya ... im using a nokia n800 as an orbiter remote |
| [04:35:12] | Guyfromhe: | whats an orbiter? |
| [04:35:42] | iamlindoro_: | He's using it to control his spy satellite |
| [04:35:53] | iamlindoro_: | By the way, I like that outfit you have on |
| [04:35:58] | PatrickDK: | oh, I thought he meant the moon |
| [04:36:19] | califdreas: | orbiter = linuxmce. perhaps? |
| [04:36:30] | cesman: | or plutohome ;) |
| [04:36:37] | iamlindoro_: | *hissssssS* |
| [04:36:45] | mlieber: | ya sorry |
| [04:36:48] | mlieber: | it is linuxmce |
| [04:36:57] | mlieber: | im in the wrong channell arent i |
| [04:37:04] | Guyfromhe: | prolly |
| [04:37:08] | mlieber: | excuse me if i offended your sensibilities |
| [04:37:20] | Guyfromhe: | no, you just confused me |
| [04:37:34] | mlieber: | I apologize |
| [04:37:44] | Guyfromhe: | so you just want something that'll play music for you from your linux box? |
| [04:38:16] | mlieber: | ya .. thats why i was discussing hacking the popcorn hour |
| [04:38:18] | iamlindoro_: | It's not problem as long as you don't mind making the baby Jesus cry |
| [04:38:22] | mlieber: | it would boot off the network |
| [04:38:23] | mlieber: | haha |
| [04:38:29] | Guyfromhe: | and your remotely controlling it via your phone? |
| [04:38:33] | mlieber: | yes sir |
| [04:38:36] | Guyfromhe: | i know |
| [04:38:41] | Guyfromhe: | what if you buy a nice FM xmitter |
| [04:38:43] | Guyfromhe: | and get a radio |
| [04:38:56] | Guyfromhe: | you could prolly do that for cheap as chips |
| [04:39:02] | mlieber: | that is quite a bit simpler |
| [04:39:22] | PatrickDK: | I think max legal power is 1watt in the usa |
| [04:39:26] | mlieber: | i kinda want audiophile quality |
| [04:39:34] | Guyfromhe: | hrm |
| [04:39:39] | PatrickDK: | very long wires to the speakers? |
| [04:39:40] | Guyfromhe: | doens't linksys make a network media player? |
| [04:39:46] | mlieber: | they do |
| [04:39:52] | Guyfromhe: | thought I guess that wouldn't work with linux tho |
| [04:39:52] | PatrickDK: | I believe everyone makes one |
| [04:40:07] | Guyfromhe: | why do you have to be so difficult -.- |
| [04:40:11] | PatrickDK: | I think it would, aren't they just upnp |
| [04:40:18] | mlieber: | maybe i should use something with a cheap cheap via chipset |
| [04:40:31] | Guyfromhe: | what if you got a micro atx board and built a little PC |
| [04:40:38] | iamlindoro_: | erm... what format music are you playing? |
| [04:40:44] | Guyfromhe: | and then built some tube based sound card |
| [04:40:48] | mlieber: | absoloutely everything |
| [04:40:57] | mlieber: | But i think I'll do that Guyfromhe |
| [04:41:00] | iamlindoro_: | such as? |
| [04:41:14] | PatrickDK: | heh, tube soundcard |
| [04:41:18] | PatrickDK: | that would be larger than the pc |
| [04:41:22] | Guyfromhe: | yeah |
| [04:41:30] | mlieber: | quality would be nice though |
| [04:41:36] | Guyfromhe: | he's one of those wacko audiophiles |
| [04:41:37] | PatrickDK: | hell, the powersupply for the tubes would be larger than the pc :) |
| [04:41:44] | califdreas: | but with great sound (after it warms up) |
| [04:41:46] | iamlindoro_: | because if you tell me you're playing MP3 and you want "audiophile quality" or indeed, if you're playing anything with a computer, then the suggestion that you want audiophile quality just makes you sound silly |
| [04:42:03] | mlieber: | no no obviously not |
| [04:42:20] | mlieber: | most of the time i will use something superior ... but everyone has the odd mp3 |
| [04:42:21] | PatrickDK: | even 24bit uncompessed isn't that great of quality |
| [04:43:02] | Guyfromhe: | heh love you wacko audiophiles |
| [04:43:30] | PatrickDK: | I'm fine with 16bit, and 256kbit mp3 :) |
| [04:43:36] | PatrickDK: | but if someone cares about audio |
| [04:43:46] | PatrickDK: | and I can tell the difference between 24bit and 32bit audio |
| [04:43:50] | iamlindoro_: | I'll take 24 Kbit and a tall glass of scotch |
| [04:43:52] | mlieber: | sorry to ask this ... not a huge hardware guy ... variable power supplies are the ones that adjust and only use as much power as needed right ? |
| [04:43:56] | PatrickDK: | well, I don't know much that uses 24bit and higher |
| [04:43:56] | mlieber: | LOL |
| [04:44:30] | PatrickDK: | mlieber, don'y you mean linier power supplies (damn I can't spell) |
| [04:44:39] | PatrickDK: | variable just adjust the voltage, and that would screw you |
| [04:45:31] | PatrickDK: | the more power saving the power supply, the more crappy it will make the audio sound |
| [04:45:51] | kormoc: | mlieber, all computer power supplies will only use as much power as is needed |
| [04:46:08] | mlieber: | they are more efficient at the high end though right ? |
| [04:46:15] | PatrickDK: | yes |
| [04:46:17] | Guyfromhe: | heh I listen to music on speakerphone on my cordless :P |
| [04:46:18] | kormoc: | aye |
| [04:46:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | mlieber: I think you're referring to a "Switching" power supply... |
| [04:46:59] | mishehu: | speaking of audio, for some reason whenever I play a dvd, I here just "di-di-di-di-di". I've got mythbuntu with myth 0.21, and have it set to pipe out a52 streams via SPDIF on my intel-hda |
| [04:47:21] | mishehu: | xine can play dvd's jsut fine and pipe out the a52 via spdif no problem. |
| [04:47:22] | mlieber: | a linear dissipates aextra power right ? wouldnt it be wasted |
| [04:47:25] | kormoc: | a switching power supply switches between 120 and 230v automagically |
| [04:47:31] | mlieber: | oh perfect |
| [04:47:34] | iamlindoro_: | That's what you get for watching DVDs of the Carlos Mencia show--- Dee dee deeeeeeeee |
| [04:47:38] | mlieber: | its all automatic ? |
| [04:47:43] | kormoc: | mlieber, power supplies by default only pull what's getting used |
| [04:47:51] | mishehu: | iamlindoro: I am not a beaner! |
| [04:47:52] | mishehu: | heh |
| [04:48:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: It depends on the power supply design, some switching supplies still have a 110/220v switch... |
| [04:48:20] | kormoc: | mlieber, a 1k watt power supply and a 650 will pull the same amount if you're using less then 650, the 1kw just might be more effecent |
| [04:48:40] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, I was decently sure that was the definition |
| [04:50:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: A switching power supply gets it's name because it doesn't use a step-down transformer like a linear supply, it switches the input power on and off very quickly (at a high frequency) to generate the lower voltages. |
| [04:50:56] | mishehu: | if the 1kwatt is actually rated at higher efficiency |
| [04:51:00] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [04:51:39] | PatrickDK: | ah ya, and that switching can cause issues with audio |
| [04:51:59] | PatrickDK: | I think that is why I go with the power savings = bad audio |
| [04:52:06] | kormoc: | meh |
| [04:52:32] | kormoc: | I just use pcpower and cooling. super high efficiency and no bad audio or the like. |
| [04:52:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | PatrickDK: Yeah, but there's lots of filtering on it... The output power has very little ripple, unless it's a poorly designed power supply. |
| [04:54:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | PatrickDK: I'll bet you didn't buy one of those "1 bit" cd players then... ;-) I don't know how 1 bit is better than 16! |
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| [05:05:45] | purserj: | hrmm |
| [05:05:54] | purserj: | I think the EIT data is using the wrong timezone |
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| [05:07:43] | doje: | anyone here using Firewire with a Time Warner Cable box ? |
| [05:10:07] | PatrickDK: | jeffa, ya, never got that one |
| [05:10:23] | PatrickDK: | I think that meant that all 16bits where good |
| [05:10:45] | PatrickDK: | where the other ones, where 15bit clean, but the last bit wasn't always audio correct |
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| [05:35:21] | Decepticon: | sso im looking around for a pvr 150 with the MCE remote, but newegg only sells the card (with the FM or without) @ $62.99 or $54.99 ... any idea where to get it bundled with the remote too? |
| [05:36:22] | kormoc: | what's the thing old time wizards would do to turn lead to gold? |
| [05:36:46] | Decepticon: | alchemy |
| [05:36:53] | kormoc: | pcalchemy.com |
| [05:37:00] | kormoc: | I never remember that word :P |
| [05:37:19] | kormoc: | they've had it in the past at least |
| [05:37:31] | Decepticon: | alchemists chemists who tried everything including Al (aluminium) to make gold! |
| [05:37:42] | Decepticon: | alllll chemy |
| [05:37:45] | PatrickDK: | hmm, the newest netgear switch firmware is getting up to cisco level |
| [05:37:59] | Decepticon: | kormoc are those memory images good enough for you to remember the word now ? :D |
| [05:38:05] | kormoc: | procurves for the win! |
| [05:38:28] | kormoc: | Decepticon, heh, for now sure, but I'll forget in a few days :P |
| [05:38:51] | kormoc: | Decepticon, http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . b277589f4e99 |
| [05:39:19] | Decepticon: | wow the remote really pushes up the price or what there |
| [05:40:11] | kormoc: | http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . ote-controls |
| [05:40:26] | kormoc: | so if it's more then $30 markup, it's not worth it |
| [05:45:28] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116631 |
| [05:46:27] | kormoc: | it's the 1069 revision. Personally I don't have it, so I can't comment on it really |
| [05:46:39] | kormoc: | but if you research a bit, it migth work well |
| [05:51:13] | Decepticon: | iamlindoro, neat. im not sure why that didnt show up in my search results |
| [05:55:13] | Decepticon: | hm the reviews say "The kit shipped with the older of the remote which isn't compatible with IR blaster under linux" and "I haven't gotten the IR remote to work under linux yet with lirc, but the kernel recognizes the USB receiver. Hopefully just a matter of more effort" |
| [05:55:57] | kormoc: | well, like I said, I have the middle one on the wiki page and it works quite well |
| [05:56:04] | kormoc: | as for the ones before that, I donno |
| [05:56:13] | Decepticon: | i'd have to buy it seperately then i guess |
| [05:56:22] | Decepticon: | and buy the card without a remote |
| [05:57:11] | Decepticon: | the IR blaster is that transmitter device that sits atop your pc/monitor/tv that catches the remote's signal, yes? |
| [05:57:30] | kormoc: | no |
| [05:57:33] | kormoc: | a receiver receives |
| [05:57:37] | kormoc: | a blaster transmits |
| [05:57:45] | kormoc: | so you can control set top boxes or the like |
| [05:57:52] | kormoc: | I use a blaster with my dish network receiver to change the channel |
| [05:58:13] | Decepticon: | the blaster is inside the remote control itself, then? |
| [05:58:21] | kormoc: | no |
| [05:58:33] | kormoc: | that cable with the audio end and the black other end |
| [05:58:36] | kormoc: | that's a transmitter |
| [05:58:51] | kormoc: | the remote itself is also a transmitter, but it's not really refered to as a blaster |
| [06:01:36] | Decepticon: | so i wouldnt need a ir blaster anyway though, since i dont have digital cable with a set top box, i just have coaxial |
| [06:01:59] | kormoc: | tis true, but it's nice to have incase you ever do switch |
| [06:03:39] | Decepticon: | hmm, hopefully by then they'll have decent support for when and if i switch |
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| [06:35:49] | Octane: | !! |
| [06:35:51] | Octane: | and i survived |
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| [07:04:25] | webman: | I upgraded my mythtv packages just over a week ago, and it removed some fields from the DB. Now mthtv-backend can't find my tuner cards because the parentid (one of the remove columns) is used as part of the where clause. Any hints/solutions? |
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| [07:05:33] | doje: | webman: sound like the sql (application) and db are out of sync |
| [07:06:20] | doje: | webman: did you try running mythtv-setup ? |
| [07:06:52] | webman: | doje: yes, but the debian package should look after making sure they are both OK.... and it seems strange the package would include code to modify the DB but not the new version of the application.... |
| [07:07:20] | webman: | doje: I ran mythtv-setup but that is where I actually saw the sql error about the missing parentid column |
| [07:07:28] | doje: | webman: what app modified the db ? |
| [07:08:00] | kormoc: | webman, are you sure the backend was upgraded? |
| [07:08:21] | webman: | doje: I don't know for sure.... but there is a backup of the mysql DB each week, and I can see that the DB structure was modified about 8 days ago |
| [07:08:57] | webman: | kormoc: well, to be honest, I would have just done a "apt-get upgrade" and didn't really think about it at the time |
| [07:09:16] | webman: | I haven't watched tv for over a week it seems ..... |
| [07:09:26] | doje: | webman: I know the pain |
| [07:09:29] | kormoc: | webman, run mythfrontend --version and mythbackend --version and verify they're the same |
| [07:09:57] | doje: | kormoc: thx – i was just checking that command line option :) |
| [07:10:02] | webman: | kormoc: the frontend runs on a different machine ... I am sure it is different version..... |
| [07:10:15] | kormoc: | webman, that's the problem then, they *have* to be in sync |
| [07:10:23] | kormoc: | webman, you can't upgrade one and not the other |
| [07:11:13] | webman: | kormoc: but even starting mythtv-backend complains in it's log that there are no cards defined in the DB .... ie, before starting the frontend .... |
| [07:11:29] | doje: | kormoc: will the frontend modify the database version ? |
| [07:11:31] | kormoc: | webman, because it's using a different db scheme. |
| [07:11:35] | kormoc: | doje, yes it will |
| [07:11:50] | kormoc: | all myth apps will, mythfilldb, mythtv-setup, mythfrontend, mythbackend |
| [07:11:58] | kormoc: | They'll all update if they can |
| [07:12:06] | webman: | actually, I just checked, and they are both exactly the same version: 0.20.20070821–1 |
| [07:12:31] | kormoc: | so then re-add the cards, that's an old version |
| [07:12:47] | kormoc: | it could be a known upgrade bug that's been long forgotten :P |
| [07:13:25] | webman: | actually, nevermind, I found the problem |
| [07:14:04] | webman: | I added another 'backend' machine to handle the transcoding/commflag jobs, but it is using a much newer version so it probably modified the DB |
| [07:14:24] | kormoc: | it would |
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| [07:15:45] | webman: | that is strange... the older version of mythtv came from http://www.debian-multimedia.org in the 'testing' version, and the newer version from the same site in 'stable' |
| [07:18:46] | webman: | I'll try to install the newer version on both machines and see how I go..... thanks for the assistance.... |
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| [07:55:26] | VanessaE: | good morning (etc)... another question. Since mythtv an handle mpeg2 in at least some form, is there a chance of adding support for live tv capture into that format? (analogous to rtjpeg/mpeg4 capture) |
| [07:56:16] | doje: | VanessaE: i think you want a capture card with a hardware mpeg encoder |
| [07:56:23] | VanessaE: | nope :) |
| [07:56:41] | doje: | VanessaE: really ? that's what I have – I get mpegs from it |
| [07:56:46] | VanessaE: | my machine has the cajones to do it, and it looks better than mpeg4 in my experience |
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| [07:57:22] | doje: | VanessaE: what's your source ? |
| [07:57:24] | VanessaE: | I get mpeg2 out of dtv of course, but one can't exactly extract a digital stream from analog tv ;) |
| [07:57:32] | VanessaE: | my source? |
| [07:57:44] | doje: | broadcast, cable ? |
| [07:57:47] | VanessaE: | Oh |
| [07:57:48] | VanessaE: | antenna |
| [07:58:30] | VanessaE: | broadcast, whatever you like to call it :) |
| [07:58:43] | doje: | yeah, that's what i meant |
| [07:59:13] | VanessaE: | We could probably "afford" cable, but the thought of paying ~$30/mo for it just turns my stomach |
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| [07:59:36] | doje: | VanessaE: I have cable – it's worse than you think |
| [07:59:53] | VanessaE: | no, I've seen it |
| [07:59:56] | VanessaE: | I know it sucks :) |
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| [08:00:37] | VanessaE: | worst is digital cable... euch. |
| [08:00:44] | doje: | VanessaE: TWC has most of their channels encrypted here |
| [08:01:01] | doje: | VanessaE: I have to pay for them just to get broadcast locals |
| [08:01:13] | VanessaE: | that's sad :( |
| [08:01:36] | doje: | VanessaE: I think i'm going to take them to court over it :) |
| [08:01:48] | VanessaE: | heh |
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| [08:02:21] | doje: | so, what do you have the antenna plugged into ? |
| [08:02:24] | VanessaE: | good lord, I have sunk to a new low. I'm watching fox. at 3:00am. |
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| [08:02:35] | VanessaE: | direct to my cap card of course :) |
| [08:03:31] | VanessaE: | I'm using a kworld ATSC120. decent little card. worth the price if you get a good signal to start with |
| [08:03:34] | doje: | I figured that much |
| [08:03:46] | doje: | i'll check it out |
| [08:04:23] | VanessaE: | newegg had it for $50. |
| [08:05:02] | doje: | nice |
| [08:05:19] | VanessaE: | based around the cx88, s5h1409 and xc3028 chips |
| [08:07:51] | doje: | what format are you seeing in the mythtv video directory ? |
| [08:07:57] | VanessaE: | nuv |
| [08:08:05] | VanessaE: | nuppelvideo I guess it is |
| [08:08:11] | VanessaE: | at least, when I looked at it last. |
| [08:08:45] | doje: | yeah, that sounds right |
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| [08:09:57] | doje: | I've used Hauppagge PVR-150's and 1394 – both give mpg files as output |
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| [08:11:18] | VanessaE: | last card I had that did more than straight video was hardware mjpeg (zoran based). not a bad card but my particular one had an interference issue that others didn't have |
| [08:11:38] | VanessaE: | after that I got a bt848-based card. broken tuner (figures). |
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| [08:15:20] | VanessaE: | oh btw, is it normal for mythtv to refuse to watch tv when the recordings drive is full? |
| [08:15:52] | VanessaE: | (as opposed to it auto-expiring files or just not recording anything) |
| [08:15:57] | doje: | VanessaE: truth is I dont' know for sure, but I think if you're getting nuv files from with that card there's no way to change that |
| [08:16:23] | VanessaE: | well, mythtv dumps software/v4l data to nuv anyway |
| [08:16:37] | VanessaE: | so it's mythtv's use of its software encoder that determines what ends up in those files. |
| [08:16:48] | VanessaE: | (e.g. ffmpeg or whatever) |
| [08:16:50] | doje: | I think so, yeah |
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| [08:17:19] | doje: | MythArchive can export those files I think |
| [08:17:22] | doje: | to mpeg |
| [08:17:30] | VanessaE: | no need to export |
| [08:17:35] | VanessaE: | I don't keep the recordings |
| [08:18:00] | doje: | then why do you care about the format ? |
| [08:18:15] | VanessaE: | because of the general quality of it |
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| [08:19:13] | VanessaE: | it's been my past experience that recording direct to mpeg2 at anything over ~6 Mbps gives really good quality and barely touches my CPU |
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| [08:19:21] | VanessaE: | (well, s/barely/only moderately/) |
| [08:20:17] | doje: | did you check myth's recording quality setting ? you can probably up the quality of the nuv format |
| [08:20:27] | VanessaE: | yep, I have. |
| [08:21:21] | VanessaE: | rtjpeg looks ok but has odd artifacts, mpeg4 has comparatively horrible quality at any bitrate (higher is better) |
| [08:21:58] | doje: | are you tuning digital or analog (or both) channels ? |
| [08:22:06] | VanessaE: | right now, analog. |
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| [08:22:58] | VanessaE: | in digital mode, I don't bother to transcode what I receive |
| [08:23:19] | doje: | in that case it's probably mpeg right ? |
| [08:23:23] | VanessaE: | yes. |
| [08:23:29] | VanessaE: | digital ATSC tv is MPEG2 |
| [08:24:24] | doje: | yeah, I guess i was asking about the files you get |
| [08:24:41] | VanessaE: | ahh |
| [08:24:54] | VanessaE: | you know, I never thought to look at the files it generates from digital mode |
| [08:25:24] | VanessaE: | (the driver is not complete yet, so switching to digital mode would require me to reboot...which I don't wanna do ;) ) |
| [08:26:00] | doje: | how annoying |
| [08:26:06] | VanessaE: | it doesn't bother me |
| [08:26:34] | VanessaE: | the driver author and I had to argue with my card for a while just to get everything working as it is :) |
| [08:26:39] | doje: | you could probably reload the drivers without rebooting if you wanted to |
| [08:27:05] | VanessaE: | If only |
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| [08:27:34] | VanessaE: | it needs a bit more than that, the architecture of the card is the issue, but a solution is already planned. |
| [08:27:56] | doje: | ah |
| [08:28:08] | VanessaE: | I'm told by the driver author that the problem involves a non-trivial (read: complicated) change to the driver that handles the cx88 capture chip, and I think the I2C code also. |
| [08:29:27] | VanessaE: | so I'm content to wait and stick with analog mode for the time being (easier to receive for now) |
| [08:31:10] | VanessaE: | heh... you know you've got a good capture card when you can see mpeg artifacts that make it into the video before it is broadcast :) |
| [08:32:32] | doje: | true |
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| [08:39:59] | doje: | VanessaE: time for sleep; nice talking. |
| [08:40:12] | VanessaE: | night :) |
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| [08:40:36] | doje: | :) |
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| [08:41:06] | pigeon: | does nuvexport need certain version of mythtv to work? |
| [08:42:28] | VanessaE: | no idea, sorry |
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| [08:48:47] | justinh: | ahhh monday |
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| [08:54:17] | VanessaE: | Bleah...monday |
| [08:54:22] | VanessaE: | :) |
| [08:55:24] | VanessaE: | (actually better that than the weekend – at least there'll be something on tv to watch besides sports and infomercials. |
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| [09:20:50] | directhex|work: | america. so HD it hurts! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271 |
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| [09:29:22] | Ethan: | Hi guys |
| [09:30:16] | Ethan: | I'm having a bit of a problem, my screen is shifted so that the left part is on the right and the right part is on the left |
| [09:30:21] | Ethan: | http://i31.tinypic.com/nq1ema.jpg |
| [09:30:41] | tank-man: | nice effect |
| [09:30:41] | Ethan: | I've tried the scan displacement and numerous other settings but nothing seems to fix it |
| [09:30:47] | directhex|work: | that's sorta cool |
| [09:30:50] | Ethan: | thanks :p |
| [09:30:56] | directhex|work: | what resolution are you driving your disp[lay at? |
| [09:31:13] | Ethan: | 1280x1024 |
| [09:32:22] | VanessaE: | directhex|bsp: ew. It's that bad in places? |
| [09:32:30] | VanessaE: | they call *this* HD? |
| [09:32:34] | directhex|work: | VanessaE, apparently |
| [09:32:38] | VanessaE: | looks like a bad AVI to me |
| [09:32:40] | directhex|work: | VanessaE, click for full-size pics |
| [09:32:50] | directhex|work: | Ethan, 17" lcd monitor? |
| [09:33:05] | Ethan: | directhex|work: yes |
| [09:33:17] | directhex|work: | which driver are you using to drive the display? |
| [09:33:48] | Ethan: | nvidia 169.12 in ubuntu 7.10 |
| [09:35:41] | directhex|work: | how did you install that? |
| [09:36:10] | Ethan: | with the envy script |
| [09:36:12] | Ethan: | http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html |
| [09:36:34] | Ethan: | I'm also an OpenGL programmer so I can confirm that the driver is properly installed |
| [09:36:49] | directhex|work: | which renderer & deinterlacer have you set myth to use? |
| [09:37:05] | Ethan: | I've tried them all |
| [09:37:18] | Ethan: | ffmpeg/opengl/libmpeg |
| [09:37:35] | Ethan: | but it looks like the HW accelerated versions aren't working |
| [09:37:55] | Ethan: | e.g. Linear blend works but Linear blend(HW) doesn't |
| [09:39:29] | Ethan: | everything works fine with tvtime, but I'm not able to record anything with tvtime, that's why I decided to try out mythTV. Too bad I can't get rid of this effect, I've been googling for a solution for days now... |
| [09:43:23] | Ethan: | Could it be some kind of vsync polarization sign reversal or something else vsync related? |
| [09:43:36] | directhex|work: | ffmpeg/libmpeg2 selection is for decoding – and for analog tv, irrelevant. the renderer is in the playback profiles section |
| [09:44:42] | Ethan: | yes, they're on the same page |
| [09:45:03] | Ethan: | wghen taking teh screenshot the decoder was set to dfault, teh renderer to opengl and osd renderer to opengl2 |
| [09:45:26] | Ethan: | -typos :) |
| [09:45:46] | directhex|work: | the opengl renderer breaks on nvidia versions greater than 100 |
| [09:47:25] | Ethan: | I'm having the same problem with video renderer set to xv-blit |
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| [09:50:12] | directhex|work: | an identical problem? that's enormously strange |
| [09:50:24] | directhex|work: | what happens if you try playing a recording file in another player? |
| [09:51:31] | Ethan: | I used mplayer to play a recorded file and the effect is still there |
| [09:52:01] | directhex|work: | then the problem is with recording |
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| [09:52:23] | directhex|work: | since this is a framegrabber, what resolution have you configured capture at – and using which codec? |
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| [09:52:53] | Ethan: | so you mean the problem is at the backend config? |
| [09:53:55] | directhex|work: | yes |
| [09:54:55] | directhex|work: | i can't help with configuration, since analog is long dead, but try messing around with the analog recording settings |
| [09:55:11] | Ethan: | in what menu? |
| [09:56:49] | directhex|work: | not sure \o/ |
| [09:57:04] | VanessaE: | night all |
| [09:57:23] | VanessaE: | directhex|work: those images are going to give me nightmares now. thanks. :) |
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| [10:13:43] | Ethan: | oh well, guess I'll postpone using mythTV till I have digital TV |
| [10:13:52] | Ethan: | thanks directhex |
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| [10:27:37] | gandalfcome: | I upgraded both the frontend and the backend to 0.21 and everything works fine except that the livetv doesnt work: in the log I get TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started. any ideas? (i have a mythbuntu frontend + backend) |
| [10:34:34] | justinh: | everything works apart from the main thing I'd use mythtv for :P |
| [10:35:00] | justinh: | gandalfcome: do recordings happen? do they play back ok? |
| [10:35:39] | gandalfcome: | justinh: no recordings work, backend works ( i can see the new recordings with the flash player) |
| [10:36:24] | gandalfcome: | justinh: I can see the recordings that I did just recently. the problem is I am doing remote maintenance and I just have a look at the log |
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| [11:04:58] | gandalfcome: | justinh: thats the log http://pastebin.ca/964585 |
| [11:07:23] | justinh: | gandalfcome: backend log would be more relevant :) |
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| [11:11:42] | Deek: | justinh: heh, LiveTV didn't work for me for months, I didn't even care. |
| [11:13:35] | Deek: | For the most part, I couldn't care less what's being broadcast right now...that's what I built a recorder for. :) |
| [11:13:39] | justinh: | for all I know, livetv is totally borked on my system. there's no menu entry for it |
| [11:14:01] | gandalfcome: | justinh: Okay I posted the entries |
| [11:14:19] | gandalfcome: | for the same time period after my original post |
| [11:14:31] | justinh: | k but I have to go to the bank now |
| [11:18:29] | gandalfcome: | justinh: thanks man |
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| [12:05:35] | emja: | is there a way of identifying the currently playing video from a shell command? |
| [12:05:46] | clever: | the telnet interface |
| [12:05:47] | emja: | assuming the Internal player |
| [12:05:58] | directhex|work: | via telnet, iirc |
| [12:06:09] | clever: | query location on tcp port 6546 on the frontend |
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| [12:24:52] | gandalfcome: | justinh: under the first pastebin |
| [12:25:04] | gandalfcome: | justinh: thats the log http://pastebin.ca/964585 |
| [12:25:16] | gandalfcome: | it doesnt show anything unusual |
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| [12:28:31] | Wobbo: | Now that i am moving i am forced to use DVB-S instead of DVB-C, fortunate there is a dish and stuff allready installed, the only thing i need now is the right card, i have been sniffing around but i can't really find some 'definitive' advice. I need a DVB-S pci card with CI module, any advice? |
| [12:29:07] | Wobbo: | The possibility to reseave HDTV would be nice, but running out of the box is the most important! =D |
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| [12:29:31] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [12:29:53] | black_Nightmare_: | just thought I'll share this in case someone not far away wanted to try mail order this: http://www.usedottawa.com/classified-ad/5355249 :p |
| [12:30:31] | anykey_: | Wobbo: for HD you'll probably need -S2 (I assume you're in .nl?), that is currently not supported very well under Linux |
| [12:30:43] | Wobbo: | yes |
| [12:30:48] | Wobbo: | ok |
| [12:30:51] | Wobbo: | so ill skip those |
| [12:31:09] | anykey_: | Wobbo: look at linuxtv.org/wiki/ for devices that are known to work |
| [12:32:16] | opentrinity: | http://www.pastebin.ca/964617 |
| [12:32:42] | opentrinity: | where is the problem i have installed headers and build essential...but not compile :-/ |
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| [12:41:21] | black_Nightmare_: | either way me going now but if anyone want to order that two PVR card from that person (I have no clue whoever the seller is ok? heh) – good luck :p |
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| [12:43:23] | gandalfcome: | justinh: seen anything? |
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| [12:51:55] | sndguru: | any chance someone can help |
| [12:52:00] | sndguru: | fedora 8, fresh install |
| [12:52:12] | sndguru: | mythbackend only system |
| [12:52:27] | sndguru: | 1.5GB RAM 2.0GB SWAP |
| [12:52:50] | sndguru: | and my within one hour my backend crashes |
| [12:53:12] | sndguru: | due to over memory |
| [12:53:41] | sndguru: | been googling it and can't quite find a fix |
| [12:53:56] | sndguru: | anyone had a problem like this |
| [12:54:08] | Wobbo: | Damm, it |
| [12:54:23] | hashbang: | sndguru: where did you get your myth binaries from? |
| [12:54:34] | sndguru: | oh I have imported my mysql database and the 600GB of recordings |
| [12:54:36] | sndguru: | atrpms |
| [12:54:51] | Wobbo: | 's not easy to choose! Since there are so many, wich are new/old, and affordable, and buyable, i can't find any shops that deliver in Netherlands |
| [12:55:05] | hashbang: | sndguru: did you have your mysql database in place before you ran mythbackend for the first time? |
| [12:55:21] | sndguru: | hrmm now for the hard questions |
| [12:55:23] | sndguru: | umm |
| [12:55:31] | sndguru: | i think so |
| [12:55:55] | hashbang: | sndguru: are all the packages the same version/revision (rpm -qa myth\*) |
| [12:55:56] | sndguru: | yes, infact cos I made the mythconverg from scratch |
| [12:56:09] | sndguru: | nope |
| [12:56:11] | sndguru: | oh |
| [12:56:14] | sndguru: | hrmm |
| [12:56:16] | sndguru: | oh yes |
| [12:56:24] | sndguru: | i upgraded my system |
| [12:56:28] | hashbang: | anything in the logs just before it dies? |
| [12:56:38] | sndguru: | then the upgrade went real bad |
| [12:56:42] | sndguru: | so I started again |
| [12:56:47] | sndguru: | yes |
| [12:56:51] | sndguru: | please wait |
| [12:57:17] | sndguru: | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| [12:57:17] | sndguru: | what(): St9bad_alloc |
| [12:57:24] | sndguru: | sometimes something different |
| [12:57:31] | sndguru: | but been that lately |
| [12:57:41] | hashbang: | sndguru: ran memtest86 lately? |
| [12:58:18] | sndguru: | as in to test the ram sticks |
| [12:58:23] | sndguru: | could explain alot |
| [12:58:32] | hashbang: | seems a bit random |
| [12:58:42] | hashbang: | I'm not running current ATrpms myth binaries, though... |
| [12:59:04] | sndguru: | the system as been up for 3 days happily though |
| [12:59:15] | sndguru: | and nothing else is having troubles |
| [12:59:40] | sndguru: | i notice a update came through today, but not made a different |
| [13:00:01] | hashbang: | sndguru: what version of myth are you using, BTW? |
| [13:00:31] | sndguru: | my mythconverg is 15MB |
| [13:00:40] | sndguru: | 21 i think |
| [13:01:17] | sndguru: | mythbackend version: 0.21.20080304–1 |
| [13:01:52] | sndguru: | like backend been running for 20min |
| [13:01:53] | hashbang: | sndguru: um, that's trunk, I think |
| [13:02:10] | sndguru: | 1.3GB mem 86.9% |
| [13:02:25] | sndguru: | 650MB swap 32.5% |
| [13:02:31] | sndguru: | and going up quickly |
| [13:02:41] | sndguru: | the end up 90% both of them |
| [13:03:52] | hashbang: | sndguru: you probably need to uninstall all your myth packages and make sure you install 0.21–185 next time |
| [13:04:18] | hashbang: | sndguru: if the problem continues with 0.21, I'd run memtest86, then file a bug with mythtv |
| [13:04:45] | sndguru: | cool |
| [13:05:01] | hashbang: | oh, hang on |
| [13:05:12] | sndguru: | that's still got all the . . . . go on |
| [13:05:22] | hashbang: | ah, I see |
| [13:05:48] | hashbang: | rpm -qa mythtv-backend |
| [13:05:56] | sndguru: | ? |
| [13:06:06] | hashbang: | sorry, I mis-interpreted the format of the version number you gave |
| [13:06:18] | sndguru: | recording something atm, well hope'ing :P |
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| [13:07:03] | sndguru: | mythtv-backend-0.21–185.fc8 |
| [13:07:15] | sndguru: | hashbang, is your answer |
| [13:07:16] | hashbang: | OK, you're there already |
| [13:07:20] | sndguru: | dolt |
| [13:07:35] | sndguru: | maybe I'll empty my mysql |
| [13:07:48] | sndguru: | and see if it's something in my database |
| [13:08:04] | sndguru: | the only thing else I found was to do with the transcoding |
| [13:08:12] | hashbang: | sndguru: you could try attaching strace to it |
| [13:08:16] | sndguru: | but does mythbackend do that |
| [13:08:27] | jackson: | Is there a program/script to scan the storage directory ann add unkown recordings back into the databse? |
| [13:08:32] | sndguru: | strace ?? |
| [13:08:35] | hashbang: | sndguru: mythbackend spawns a process to do the transcoding |
| [13:08:51] | sndguru: | jackson, that doesn't sound good |
| [13:08:52] | hashbang: | sndguru: it'll let you know the system calls the process is making |
| [13:09:24] | sndguru: | hashbang, i've got it as mythtranscode |
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| [13:10:01] | jackson: | sndguru, I had a hard drive fail a few months ago (1 of 5 used as the Default Storage Group), so I removed the drive, removed the missing recordings from the database using myth_find_orpahns. Now I've managed to recover some of those recordings and would like ot add them back into the db. |
| [13:10:11] | sndguru: | CPU = mythbackend 57% mysql 20% mythtranscode %4 in four processes |
| [13:11:31] | sndguru: | jackson, I've just learnt something new, haven't heard of myth_find_orpahns |
| [13:11:51] | sndguru: | i just make backups of my database nightly now |
| [13:12:07] | jackson: | sndguru, it's provided in the mythtv/contrib/maintenance/ directory. |
| [13:12:09] | sndguru: | is your database ok?? or did you loose that too? |
| [13:12:10] | clever: | my frontend is now sucking back 100% cpu |
| [13:12:12] | clever: | while paused! |
| [13:12:21] | jackson: | sndguru, my database is fine. |
| [13:12:38] | sndguru: | jackson, hrmm I thought is would find you recording fine then |
| [13:13:41] | jackson: | sndguru, myth_find_orphans will scan your storage groups for files that A) have no corresponding database entry, and/or B) have no corresponding file for a given database entry. |
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| [13:14:38] | sndguru: | jackson, hrmm i've learn't a lot about repairing entries in mysql, but fixing that might be interesting |
| [13:15:37] | jackson: | sndguru, I thought there was a script that would match unknown recording files with past program information and create database entries in the recorded table, but I'm having difficulty finding the reference to it again. |
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| [13:21:23] | sndguru: | jackson, sorry, not much help for you |
| [13:21:49] | sndguru: | good luck to you though |
| [13:21:56] | jackson: | sndguru, no problemo, thanks. |
| [13:22:25] | jackson: | no big deal here... all my other 616GB's of recordings are intact :) |
| [13:22:47] | sndguru: | i just went for the 1TB drive |
| [13:23:01] | sndguru: | that may if that goes my problems gone |
| [13:23:02] | sndguru: | LOL |
| [13:25:37] | jackson: | ahh yes, in the mythtv/contrib/recovery/ there is a rebuild database that does just what I'm looking for. |
| [13:25:48] | sndguru: | sweet |
| [13:25:58] | sndguru: | what's it called |
| [13:26:32] | jackson: | myth.rebuilddatabase.pl – I don't know if it conforms with todays svn schema yet. |
| [13:27:05] | sndguru: | i guess you'll find out soon |
| [13:27:17] | sndguru: | might be a good idea to mysqldump |
| [13:27:18] | jackson: | reading through it now. |
| [13:27:26] | jackson: | I have nightly database backups... |
| [13:27:32] | sndguru: | smart |
| [13:27:33] | sndguru: | :P |
| [13:27:39] | sndguru: | do it again |
| [13:27:42] | sndguru: | LOL |
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| [13:36:53] | despen: | I want to use an old pc for backend and use a xbox for frontend. I want to use dvb-t on the backend and watch live TV. What is the lowest requiremnts on the backend? |
| [13:37:19] | directhex|work: | a processor, a hard disk, a tv card |
| [13:37:26] | directhex|work: | maybe some ram, if you feel adventurous |
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| [13:38:35] | sndguru: | despen, the mythtv.org has a guess on it |
| [13:38:42] | sndguru: | have you read that |
| [13:39:15] | sndguru: | i'm running AMD2500+, 1.5GB, 1TB Recordings drive |
| [13:39:20] | sndguru: | and it does well |
| [13:39:49] | sndguru: | if you transcoding all you recordings, i wouldn't go below something around that |
| [13:40:15] | sndguru: | oh and twin HDTV tuners |
| [13:41:19] | despen: | sndguru: I was hoping that I wouldn't need any transcoding and I wont use any HD material. |
| [13:42:18] | sndguru: | i've heard 1GB per stream from some where |
| [13:42:35] | sndguru: | but if you running a GUI on the backend |
| [13:42:36] | PatrickDK: | I do 1.5g per hour |
| [13:42:47] | sndguru: | maybe 1.5Hz |
| [13:42:48] | directhex|work: | something of an oversimplification. it depends 100% on the channel, and the time of day |
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| [13:42:55] | sndguru: | maybe 1.5Gz sorry |
| [13:43:16] | directhex|work: | and for purely dvb-t use, you *only* need disk ip. your cpu is pretty much unused |
| [13:43:18] | sid3windr: | gertz |
| [13:43:23] | directhex|work: | disk io, even |
| [13:43:28] | PatrickDK: | I was running sdtv on an 850mhz computer, but that normally stayed around 90% cpu usage |
| [13:43:35] | sndguru: | directhex|bsp, e |
| [13:43:39] | sndguru: | directhex|bsp, true |
| [13:43:40] | directhex|work: | PatrickDK, dvb-t backend? |
| [13:43:47] | despen: | sndguru: what does the backend do that takes cpu time? |
| [13:43:49] | PatrickDK: | no |
| [13:43:58] | directhex|work: | despen, scheduling. that's it. |
| [13:44:06] | directhex|work: | and commercial flagging, if you enable it |
| [13:44:08] | sndguru: | mine, mostly transcoding |
| [13:44:17] | sndguru: | these things too |
| [13:44:22] | hashbang: | despen: my old myth combined FE/BE was a Celeron 1.7GHz with a Nova-T and a Nova-T-500 (3 tuners). Recording three channels simultaneously was about 8% CPU, playback used about 30–40% CPU. |
| [13:44:53] | sndguru: | hashbang, that's not bad |
| [13:45:02] | directhex|work: | that's about what i'd expect |
| [13:45:05] | hashbang: | sndguru: DVB is /easy/ to handle |
| [13:45:19] | hashbang: | sndguru: it's just grabbing an MPEG stream off the radio broadcast and dumping it to disc |
| [13:45:29] | directhex|work: | <directhex|work> america. so HD it hurts! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271 |
| [13:45:32] | sndguru: | until transcode, or a memory problem :P |
| [13:45:39] | PatrickDK: | you really don't have to even worry about disk i/o |
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| [13:46:00] | hashbang: | and DVB is 2–45Mbit/s per multiplex, AFIACS |
| [13:46:13] | hashbang: | so not even that much compared with, say, ethernet |
| [13:46:36] | hashbang: | PatrickDK: yeah; 40–80MByte/s is quite reasonable for any modern disc. |
| [13:47:10] | directhex|work: | hashbang, we're not necessarily talking modern though. i think a p2 might be unhappy, running all its disk io through 440bx |
| [13:47:40] | PatrickDK: | why? it should be able to handle 16–25 megs per second, easily |
| [13:47:42] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: dunno. You might get away with it with a 100MHz+ FSB |
| [13:48:10] | PatrickDK: | I was recording and doing playback over 100mhz fsb, no problems :) |
| [13:48:18] | hashbang: | PatrickDK: even my 486 DX4–100 managed about 25MByte/s memory bandwidth |
| [13:48:51] | PatrickDK: | I meant disk bandwidth |
| [13:49:20] | sndguru: | hashbang, hay that's interesting 'Table ./mythconverg/upnpmedia is marked as crashed and should be repaired when using LOCK TABLES' |
| [13:49:26] | hashbang: | PatrickDK: ah, sure; ATA-33 probably isn't the bottleneck though, as that's 16 bits wide * 33MHz |
| [13:49:36] | despen: | So if I would it be possible to use an old p3/1000Mhz as backend and stream none transcoded streams to the xbox? I would use the mpeg2 decoder in the xbox to watch the stream. How much bandwidth on the network would it use? |
| [13:50:04] | hashbang: | despen: UK DVB is usually about 1GByte/hour in my experience |
| [13:50:10] | directhex|work: | despen, yes. 1ghx is a good spec |
| [13:50:21] | PatrickDK: | so around 2mbit of bandwidth |
| [13:50:24] | directhex|work: | despen, you won't be using any hardware features on the xbox though |
| [13:50:28] | PatrickDK: | and that is like nothing |
| [13:50:40] | directhex|work: | despen, uk hdtv goes up to about 8 mbit |
| [13:50:46] | directhex|work: | bah |
| [13:50:48] | directhex|work: | uk dvb-t |
| [13:50:52] | directhex|work: | ignore the hdtv comment |
| [13:51:15] | directhex|work: | when i tell myself "type foo not bar", my brain misses out the "foo not" part |
| [13:51:16] | hashbang: | PatrickDK: yeah, about 2.4Mbps |
| [13:51:17] | despen: | directhex|work: The xbox can't handle hdtv content.. |
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| [13:52:30] | directhex|work: | which part of "ignore the hdtv comment" wasn't clear? O_o |
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| [13:52:42] | despen: | directhex|work: Slow reader (= |
| [13:52:47] | directhex|work: | hashbang, http://dtt.me.uk/?demux |
| [13:53:21] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: ooh, neat. Right transmitter for me, too. :-) |
| [13:54:17] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: I think those bitrates must include some overhead (MHEG, maybe?), since my recorded files are usually about 1GByte/hour |
| [13:55:09] | hashbang: | waaah! |
| [13:55:15] | ** hashbang just remembered a weird dream ** | |
| [13:55:47] | hashbang: | something about DVB broadcast resolution going up to 1024x576, so I had to make a note to change my Myth FE not to use 720x576 any longer... |
| [13:55:47] | despen: | Do I need to install x11 to use the backend? Or can it be totally console driven? |
| [13:55:54] | hashbang: | despen: console |
| [13:56:13] | hashbang: | despen: you might need some X libs so you can run mythtv-setup, though |
| [13:56:29] | hashbang: | despen: can't remember if that needs to run on the BE or not |
| [13:56:31] | sndguru: | about to say that |
| [13:56:41] | sndguru: | could mythweb set that though |
| [13:57:22] | sndguru: | oh mythweb hasn't the tuners though does it |
| [13:57:30] | anykey_: | despen: you'll ned X11 libs on the backend but you can start it using ssh -X on your local machine |
| [13:57:40] | hashbang: | sndguru: lots of stuff. I'd hate to be unable to use -setup |
| [13:58:10] | dustybin: | Vista: [V]iruses, [I]ntruders, [S]pyware, [T]rojans and [A]dware |
| [13:58:11] | sndguru: | this is true |
| [13:58:30] | sndguru: | imagine how many times you'd stuff it up |
| [13:58:31] | hashbang: | heya dustybin |
| [13:58:37] | dustybin: | aye up |
| [13:59:27] | hashbang: | dustybin: got your VGA scart going? |
| [13:59:43] | dustybin: | im still waiting for the vga cable would you believe |
| [13:59:47] | hashbang: | yowch |
| [13:59:56] | dustybin: | ebuyer says it should arrive by tomorrow |
| [14:00:03] | hashbang: | "honest, guv" |
| [14:00:11] | sndguru: | hashbang, running mythbackend in a console and got "strange error flushing buffer ..." |
| [14:00:16] | dustybin: | tomorrow will be the day of modeline |
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| [14:00:34] | sndguru: | 2008-03–31 21:59:28.044 Copying Audio while transcoding Video |
| [14:00:35] | sndguru: | strange error flushing buffer ... |
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| [15:07:00] | mkrufky: | nova-t-500 bug (supposedly) fixed in 2.6.24.y http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/sta . . . 8c81c39e5a81 |
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| [15:26:01] | janneg: | Dagmar: can you check if the compile error due including system ffmpeg includes is fixed |
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| [15:55:57] | hashbang: | mkrufky: nice to know. Amazing that the right line in the wrong place can cause such serious problems. :-) |
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| [16:01:31] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [16:01:33] | mkrufky: | oh,. hes gone |
| [16:01:42] | clever: | mkrufky: and yet i can comment out random lines of mmx in mythtv and bearly even harm mythtv! |
| [16:01:52] | mkrufky: | ha |
| [16:01:58] | clever: | i got bored and started slicing assembly instructions out |
| [16:02:13] | clever: | one of them did cause massive coruption to the video playback |
| [16:02:19] | mkrufky: | yikes |
| [16:02:40] | clever: | but the fact that i was able to remove other lines without any error |
| [16:02:58] | clever: | and i thought for shure the jmp would go horidly wrong if i removed a few instructions without fixing it |
| [16:03:32] | mkrufky: | ...sounds questionable |
| [16:03:59] | clever: | using oprofile i figured out which line took the most cpu power |
| [16:04:09] | clever: | then started cuting peices out of it |
| [16:04:10] | clever: | to speed it up |
| [16:04:31] | clever: | inlining some of them might speed it up a tad |
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| [16:09:08] | mkrufky: | interesting |
| [16:09:12] | mkrufky: | did it help things? |
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| [16:11:39] | justinh: | 1GB per hour with uk dvb-t? heh you must only record the shite channels :) |
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| [16:20:30] | justinh: | what's the name of that killall command you can use to force mythfrontend to reload the theme again? |
| [16:21:46] | justinh: | never mind. killall mythfrontend --signal USR1 |
| [16:26:39] | clever: | mkrufky: it didnt give any noticable speed boost |
| [16:27:53] | mkrufky: | ah, ok |
| [16:29:01] | justdave: | man, myth takes a long time to build when you build it from source |
| [16:29:18] | justdave: | and I thought building Firefox took forever :) |
| [16:29:45] | iamlindoro__: | ccache + distcc = funfunhappytimes |
| [16:29:49] | jams: | justinh- http://www.mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autog . . . rt_myth1.png If your interested the download is in the Misc section. |
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| [16:31:13] | justinh: | handy. not that I'll be making galleries of screenshots to go on no website |
| [16:33:45] | jams: | justinh- it's less about the screenshot button, and more about the begin/reload button and theme dropdown. |
| [16:34:20] | justinh: | I think I'm almost done with the menus now but it'll still be handy |
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| [16:35:57] | jams: | the screenshot program is a different program, but I do plan on joing them together at some point. |
| [16:37:08] | ajh: | anyone have a quick fix for the database upgrade failing going from 0.20 to 0.21 on Ubuntu 7.10? |
| [16:37:41] | justinh: | they still not updated their packages? oof |
| [16:37:51] | justinh: | ajh: it's already been fixed in the code |
| [16:37:51] | ajh: | apparently not. |
| [16:38:20] | justinh: | IIRC it's failing because of duplicate entries for stuff in the settings table |
| [16:38:28] | ajh: | so, what's the easiest way for me to recover without having to build everything? |
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| [16:39:10] | ** ajh hopes for a quickfix script somewhere on the wiki :) ** | |
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| [16:39:17] | justinh: | something like more than one entry for recordfileprefix per hostname – or the same recordfileprefix given to more than one hostname |
| [16:39:24] | justinh: | ajh: you handy with mysql? |
| [16:39:32] | ajh: | not particularly. |
| [16:39:43] | iamlindoro__: | ajh, considering various people will have variously different and uniquely duplicated randomness, there won't be a script fix IMO |
| [16:40:07] | ajh: | if I don't care about the contents? |
| [16:40:12] | justinh: | ajh: yeah I reckon it was RecordFilePrefix |
| [16:40:14] | ajh: | It's basically a new install. |
| [16:40:25] | justinh: | oh no it isn;t |
| [16:40:48] | justinh: | stop mythbackend, log into mysql in a terminal, or use phpmyadmin |
| [16:41:13] | justinh: | find settings table entries for RecordFilePrefix which aren't for the machine's _current_ hostname |
| [16:41:41] | justinh: | the mysql would be SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value="RecordFilePrefix"; |
| [16:42:57] | justinh: | that'll show you duplicate entries in the settings table |
| [16:43:25] | justinh: | if there are any dupes it's easy enough to put that right |
| [16:43:59] | Aval0n: | are there any major features worth while in trunk that are better than .21-fixes? |
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| [16:44:09] | justinh: | Aval0n: not really |
| [16:44:27] | Aval0n: | I'm most interested in mythui |
| [16:44:41] | justinh: | meaning? |
| [16:44:58] | iamlindoro__: | he's most intersted it you making it look good for him |
| [16:44:59] | Aval0n: | meaning I want to see what it's like when it's finished |
| [16:45:01] | Aval0n: | so no point now |
| [16:45:06] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [16:45:12] | Aval0n: | hahah |
| [16:45:16] | Aval0n: | yeah pretty much |
| [16:45:27] | justinh: | Aval0n: no themes take advantage of it really yet anyway |
| [16:45:45] | justinh: | and there's certainly not been any bling put in yet AFAIK |
| [16:46:00] | ajh: | justinh, I get 1 row in set. |
| [16:46:28] | justinh: | ajh: so it's not that then. you'll be needing to pastebin the full output of running mythtv-setup then |
| [16:46:43] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [16:47:23] | ** justinh imagines a huge influx of shoddy themes when mythui is finished ** | |
| [16:48:15] | iamlindoro__: | Just as long as we can finally map everything onto rotating cubes, everything will be just fine |
| [16:48:17] | ajh: | uhm, the output doesn't seem to be on stdout or stderr |
| [16:48:22] | Aval0n: | justdave: are you gonna make a theme for it? |
| [16:48:29] | justinh: | Aval0n: am I shite! |
| [16:48:31] | jarle: | hmmm... mytharchive says it requires cdrtools, but can'r seem to find such a package for ubuntu? |
| [16:48:38] | Aval0n: | lol what? |
| [16:48:50] | justinh: | Aval0n: that'd be an emphatic NO |
| [16:48:55] | Aval0n: | hahah |
| [16:48:56] | Aval0n: | ok |
| [16:48:56] | ajh: | and the terminal it goes to, goes away after.... |
| [16:48:59] | justdave: | Aval0n: /me isn't sure how to do a theme, haven't played with them yet |
| [16:49:14] | Aval0n: | errr woops |
| [16:49:17] | Aval0n: | bad nick complete |
| [16:49:19] | Aval0n: | :P |
| [16:49:19] | iamlindoro__: | ajh, ah, you're on BrokeAssBuntu (tm) |
| [16:49:20] | ** justdave is kidding, I know you were aiming at justinh ** | |
| [16:49:31] | iamlindoro__: | open a terminal, type mythtv-setup.real |
| [16:49:38] | ajh: | Ah, it also goes into mythbackend.log :) |
| [16:50:51] | ajh: | Duplicate column name 'audioprop' |
| [16:51:03] | justinh: | ajh: in which table? |
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| [16:51:17] | ajh: | program |
| [16:51:43] | Nikas: | hello. Can i transcode recordings after they have been recorded to one of my profiles.. choose wich one i mean |
| [16:52:16] | Nikas: | i want to transcode my recordings from mpeg2 to mpeg4 now and i have 100+ recordings in mpeg2 |
| [16:52:43] | justinh: | ajh: how the hell have you ended up with a dup. column there? ever restored a backup? |
| [16:52:59] | ajh: | nope, everything I've run has been from a package. |
| [16:53:02] | justinh: | ajh: anyway again the fix should be pretty simple |
| [16:53:09] | ajh: | I just have bad luck. |
| [16:53:23] | justinh: | you could just TRUNCATE the program table. running mythfilldatabase will redo it |
| [16:53:31] | justinh: | doh that won't do it |
| [16:53:49] | ajh: | I can break more than telsa and bryce combined... which would be funny if you knew either of them. :) |
| [16:54:33] | justinh: | ajh: maybe ALTER TABLE program DROP audioprop; |
| [16:55:24] | justinh: | or hey just restore the database backup you made before upgrading! |
| [16:55:52] | ajh: | that IS that db.. which is why it's wierd |
| [16:56:20] | clever: | it sounds like its trying to do that add column upgrade twice |
| [16:56:27] | ajh: | yeah, it does. |
| [16:56:27] | justinh: | I smell something |
| [16:56:29] | clever: | droping the column sounds like it would work |
| [16:56:43] | ajh: | I'll see how the new upgrade goes now. |
| [16:56:52] | clever: | and you allready have a backup so it cant hurt to try |
| [16:57:20] | iamlindoro__: | I blame packages. |
| [16:57:23] | ajh: | worst case I'm not opposed to a clean install, but that's only a good solution now.. once it's in production. |
| [16:57:46] | ajh: | iamlindoro, then I blame djb for making the new rpm format so complex. :) |
| [16:57:59] | justinh: | ajh: worst case you'd just restore the backup in an ideal world |
| [16:58:03] | justinh: | backup! |
| [16:58:09] | justinh: | BACKUP I say! |
| [16:58:24] | ajh: | I've tried gathering package format people together and hitting them with beer until they agree on a common format, but without much luck. |
| [16:59:32] | justinh: | heh. I remember having a drunken conversation with somebody high up in KDE about how they wanted to make mythtv the KDE media center... then it turned out to be complete hogwash |
| [17:00:05] | iamlindoro__: | that's because it doesn't rotate on a cube |
| [17:00:07] | ajh: | I honestly believe backend and library commonality is the trick. |
| [17:00:40] | ajh: | I don't care how people glue the bits together to make their 'product' but people should focus on the bits all being functional and bug free together. |
| [17:00:50] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: I thought that it was because when you change screens, they don't explode into fireballs for the transition |
| [17:01:08] | ajh: | justinh, probably your dev's aren't German enough. |
| [17:01:15] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, It's not a real media center if you can't draw flames with your mouse |
| [17:01:25] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, erm, excuse me, with your GYRO mouse |
| [17:01:38] | justinh: | ajh: 'our' devs are whoever contributes code |
| [17:02:01] | justinh: | code/docs/non-bitching wiki articles ;) |
| [17:02:10] | iamlindoro__: | KDE devs Kann Kontribute! |
| [17:02:37] | justinh: | hey how did they get the gig anyhow? linuxmce doesn't start with the letter 'K' |
| [17:02:59] | ajh: | hrm, still the same error |
| [17:03:18] | iamlindoro__: | KleenexMCE |
| [17:03:19] | justinh: | ajh: you could just drop the program table & recreate it |
| [17:04:02] | ajh: | syntax? :) |
| [17:04:11] | justinh: | ajh: if it's as new an install as you said, just drop the whole mythconverg database, then create a blank one – then re-run mythtv-setup |
| [17:04:33] | ajh: | yeah, I'd prefer to avoid that.... ideally |
| [17:04:37] | justinh: | why? |
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| [17:04:43] | justinh: | what do you have to lose?? |
| [17:05:04] | justinh: | ideally the database wouldn't have got screwed up |
| [17:05:04] | ajh: | actually I'm not sure what you store in it, so I don't know. :) |
| [17:05:11] | justinh: | ajh: everything |
| [17:05:31] | ajh: | yeah, having to re do the config, channel table, etc would suck... (again) |
| [17:05:33] | justinh: | all settings, programme guide data, music, video... |
| [17:05:53] | ajh: | so yeah, just dropping and re-creating the program table would be worth trying |
| [17:06:00] | justinh: | http://pastebin.ca/964894 is the layout of the program table |
| [17:06:18] | justinh: | in 0.21-fixes it is, anyway |
| [17:10:26] | justinh: | hmm just had another thought about the delete programs screen. be nice to see the list with % usage rather than absolute size sometimes |
| [17:11:02] | justinh: | might look in the code to see if it's already available |
| [17:12:01] | jams: | justinh- it's not there, already been down that road |
| [17:13:04] | ajh: | so, what actually creates the database, obviously something in the package did it the first time. :) |
| [17:13:41] | ajh: | I was expecting setup to say 'database doesn't exist, would you like me to create one' |
| [17:13:42] | justinh: | jams: I'll add it to my to-do list then |
| [17:13:45] | iamlindoro__: | locate mc.sql |
| [17:13:58] | iamlindoro__: | mysql -u root -p < /path/to/mc.sql |
| [17:14:21] | justinh: | there's still a lot I'd love to do on the code. almost can't wait |
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| [17:17:06] | ajh: | sigh, I knew I should have spent more time learning this. Now I assume I just set the password for the mythtv user and things are done? |
| [17:17:34] | iamlindoro__: | mc.sql sets the password for mythtv as mythv |
| [17:17:43] | iamlindoro__: | (in mysql, anyway) |
| [17:17:48] | GreyFoxx: | jams: hehe I was just watching a video (not DVD) being streamed via mythprotocol to the frontend. The viedo is on a disk in the changer |
| [17:18:40] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: what do you mean? is this like mythvideo not having local access (ie, local or nfs mount)? |
| [17:18:40] | GreyFoxx: | It's about 10% of what's gonna need to be done, but it's a step :) |
| [17:18:46] | GreyFoxx: | fry yeah |
| [17:18:51] | GreyFoxx: | using storagegroups |
| [17:19:14] | GreyFoxx: | streamed directly via mythbackend |
| [17:19:19] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [17:19:23] | kabtoffe: | Is it normal for mythbackend to use 40% of my memory (2.4 GB) ;-) |
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| [17:19:39] | fryfrog: | i've always thought that mythvideo should "merge" with the recordings sort of |
| [17:19:49] | justinh: | :-O |
| [17:19:51] | justinh: | NO! |
| [17:19:53] | jams: | GreyFoxx- awesome! |
| [17:20:01] | kabtoffe: | Everything is working fine though... I'll have to restart it tomorrow when it's not recording. |
| [17:20:05] | fryfrog: | like, perhaps have the ability to add shows manually or automagically or something, if that makes sense :) |
| [17:20:27] | justinh: | XBMC put everything in the same basket & it sucks that way IMHO |
| [17:20:44] | jams: | can't wait to give it a try for myself |
| [17:21:32] | ajh: | yay, thanks... now I just have to re-set things up :) |
| [17:21:41] | GreyFoxx: | I'm gonna end up duplicating George Nassas's work as I'm not willing to wait |
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| [17:22:16] | ajh: | thanks for the help. |
| [17:22:16] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, from reading the dev list it seems he might have overstated how far he was just a teensy bit anyway |
| [17:23:20] | hadees: | anyone know of a mythtv fbsplash theme? |
| [17:23:57] | justinh: | hadees: parker1.co.uk has some |
| [17:24:01] | justinh: | IIRC |
| [17:27:08] | GreyFoxx: | jams: I still gotta layout my plan for it. adding the special storagegroup to the backend is simple, then a config page for the change |
| [17:27:09] | GreyFoxx: | r |
| [17:27:18] | GreyFoxx: | for now I'll have it call the external mtx app |
| [17:27:43] | GreyFoxx: | the more complex bit will be properly traccking the "offline" videos in mythvideo and changing disks as needed |
| [17:28:08] | jams: | might be best calling the external app, to make it more generic for any other changers that may come along. |
| [17:28:14] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [17:28:48] | GreyFoxx: | for other changers I'll have it use "mtx" and for theSony "mtx altres" |
| [17:29:19] | jams: | assuming the "offline media" will extend to disks other then the changer that feature will be well received. |
| [17:30:10] | hadees: | justinh, unfortunately the one on parker1 is for usplash which i never even heard of till now |
| [17:30:37] | hadees: | although its a nice graphic i might end up using it anyway if i can't find a fbsplash but then i have to write the cfg file |
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| [17:34:53] | Aval0n: | for mythplugins is qmake mythplugins.pro really needed? |
| [17:36:08] | Anduin: | Aval0n: That is the last thing mythplugins/configure does (which is reauired) |
| [17:45:32] | FinnTux: | hey all. I have working master backend + slave backend/frontend + frontend system here (DVB-T, two muxes). now I also have possibility to get the same channels using IPTV... |
| [17:46:07] | FinnTux: | is it possible to use EPG data from DVB with IPTV? |
| [17:46:40] | FinnTux: | I'd like to avoid having same channels twice, for example, in mythweb. |
| [17:47:02] | xand: | can you use the dvb "video source" for iptv? |
| [17:47:59] | FinnTux: | hmm, dunno |
| [17:48:12] | FinnTux: | haven't tried that yet. |
| [17:48:43] | FinnTux: | I'm using EIT only |
| [17:49:50] | FinnTux: | I guess I need to try and see what happens |
| [17:50:17] | FinnTux: | what about this... |
| [17:51:04] | FinnTux: | eh. nevermind :) |
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| [17:52:52] | Kazan: | ok.. what has changed in relation to mysql in trunk? |
| [17:53:01] | Kazan: | i updated and now backend cannot connect |
| [17:56:35] | Kazan: | oho.. i don't think qt4-mysql is installed :P |
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| [18:05:34] | anykey_: | Which DiSEqC version does MythTV support? 1.2? |
| [18:06:40] | iamlindoro__: | lots of info on that in the code |
| [18:07:06] | iamlindoro__: | Seems to indicate 1.3 |
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| [18:08:21] | anykey_: | ok, supports 8 sats then ;) |
| [18:09:09] | iamlindoro__: | 8 easily, i think 1.2+ is 16 plus a rotor |
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| [18:18:28] | fryfrog: | ohh, trunk has qt4 support now? |
| [18:18:40] | iamlindoro__: | where support = accepts no other :) |
| [18:19:07] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: as of ~week ago |
| [18:19:12] | janneg: | I think requires is the correct verb |
| [18:23:38] | fryfrog: | ahha |
| [18:23:40] | fryfrog: | cool :) |
| [18:24:19] | fryfrog: | does qt4 warrent a jump from the 0.2x series? |
| [18:24:35] | fryfrog: | i've sort of wondered what myth's version "policy" is |
| [18:24:47] | fryfrog: | just keep going +0.01 for each release? |
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| [18:25:16] | janneg: | no, except if you want shorter frontend startup time |
| [18:25:29] | iamlindoro__: | And everyone should immediately upgrade to the newest trunk, because there is nothing to fear from that. And anyone who suggests otherwise will be kicked in the nuts. I know this because I was kicked in the nuts. Proverbially. |
| [18:25:40] | janneg: | fryfrog: no, increasing the minor version by one |
| [18:25:54] | iamlindoro__: | because trunk is in every way perfect and all things work perfectly. PERFECTLY. |
| [18:26:12] | janneg: | stop the bullshit |
| [18:26:42] | fryfrog: | <3 trunk! which is why i switched to -fixes :) |
| [18:27:06] | iamlindoro__: | Sheesh, everyone is on a short fuse lately. |
| [18:27:24] | fryfrog: | not me, i don't take anyone seriously ;) |
| [18:27:30] | iamlindoro__: | tha's the spirit |
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| [18:32:40] | esperegu: | I added an advanced record schedule [/mythweb/tv/schedules/custom] (the only thing I did was enter 'poker' in the title box). So the title keyword used is 'poker'. If I do a search on poker [/mythweb/tv/search/canned%3ANieuwe%20Titels%2C%20Premieres] I get a LOT of results but it does not record anything... do I miss something? |
| [18:33:37] | Kazan: | wtf |
| [18:33:38] | Kazan: | yay |
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| [18:33:40] | Kazan: | frontend is segfaulting |
| [18:33:55] | bsdfox_: | what's the log say |
| [18:34:06] | bsdfox_: | mythfrontend -l ~/mythfe.log |
| [18:34:40] | Kazan: | nothing useful :P |
| [18:34:49] | Kazan: | i ran mythfrontend -v all though in a konsole |
| [18:35:03] | bsdfox_: | what's the last thing it says? |
| [18:35:07] | Kazan: | and it segfault right after tryingto MSqlQuery: DELETE FROM inuseprogramsWHERE hostname = ? and recusage = 'player'; |
| [18:35:10] | bsdfox_: | and did you compile on your own or using a package? |
| [18:35:20] | Kazan: | compiled on own |
| [18:35:21] | Kazan: | off trunk |
| [18:35:23] | Kazan: | this morning |
| [18:35:28] | bsdfox_: | weird |
| [18:36:06] | EvilGuru: | Kazan: Did/have you got a back trace/ |
| [18:36:13] | Kazan: | no |
| [18:36:17] | Kazan: | not build as debug |
| [18:36:37] | EvilGuru: | So long as you did not strip it, the backtrace is probably still useful |
| [18:36:43] | Kazan: | this is my prod box |
| [18:36:51] | Kazan: | it didn't dump a core |
| [18:37:00] | Kazan: | can i gdb start it and get a bt? |
| [18:37:19] | EvilGuru: | Try |
| [18:37:37] | EvilGuru: | bt full is what you want |
| [18:37:45] | Kazan: | wtf |
| [18:37:58] | Kazan: | it's using qt-3.3 ibs |
| [18:38:02] | esperegu: | can somebody confirm if they have the same or not? If so I have to file a bug... but I don't want to bother the developers if it is me who is fucking up ;-) |
| [18:38:04] | Kazan: | but... isn't it compiled against qt4 now? |
| [18:38:26] | EvilGuru: | Kazan: I read (on the ML) that the devs are planning to switch over and to stay away from trunk |
| [18:38:29] | Kazan: | appaers to be crashing in QMutexPool::get() |
| [18:38:34] | Kazan: | lovely |
| [18:38:37] | Kazan: | i just updated to trunk |
| [18:38:41] | Kazan: | i had to compile against qt4 this morning |
| [18:38:45] | Kazan: | the db schema updated |
| [18:39:03] | Kazan: | can i use the newer schema on an older build? |
| [18:39:05] | EvilGuru: | trunk on a production box!?! crazy |
| [18:39:11] | Anduin: | Kazan: You likely have some old libs, or old Makefiles that didn't get rebuilt, if you are building in an old tree manually delete the Makefiles |
| [18:39:14] | Kazan: | never had problem before evil |
| [18:39:28] | Kazan: | Anduin: make distclean purge em? |
| [18:39:34] | clever: | Anduin: i get that problem too, but i removed qt3 dev so it just halts |
| [18:39:38] | clever: | and i rm them one at a time |
| [18:39:38] | Anduin: | Kazan: Only most |
| [18:39:55] | Kazan: | Anduin: lovely |
| [18:40:56] | Anduin: | clever: I have a switch script (I build on x86_64 and i686 and have had the distclean not cleaning problem for some time), a simple find . -name Makefile -delete does work (from mythtv checkout root) |
| [18:41:25] | clever: | Anduin: yeah but that could clear out makefiles that arent automaticaly generated |
| [18:41:38] | clever: | but an svn update should repair them |
| [18:41:52] | Anduin: | clever: I also didn't remove the qt3 dev stuff, simple removing the QTDIR and putting Qt4's make in the path works (not relying on qmake-qt4) |
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| [18:42:23] | clever: | i cleared out most of the qt3 dev stuff to force it to use qt4 |
| [18:42:25] | clever: | and even then |
| [18:42:26] | Iggle-Piggle: | need advice on how to set up an win nova t 500 |
| [18:42:36] | clever: | the quoting in the .pro didnt react the same |
| [18:42:37] | clever: | way |
| [18:42:39] | Anduin: | clever: Yes, ones that are not normally run though, and yes a simple svn up if you need them (doesn't make a difference to me, I svn up often enough I'd likely never notice) |
| [18:42:42] | clever: | so everything got screwed up |
| [18:43:12] | clever: | it just refused to let version.sh get called properly |
| [18:43:27] | clever: | so i gave up and fought 3 rounds of dist-upgrade! |
| [18:43:45] | clever: | now i2c causes a kernel oops and the frontend sucks 100% cpu even when paused |
| [18:43:46] | Kazan: | there.. did "make distclean" in mythtv and mythplugins |
| [18:43:48] | Anduin: | Yeah, the version.sh stuff is still icky, with Qt4 there really is only one, it seems to search and I've not found a way to stop it. |
| [18:43:58] | Kazan: | added "--qmake=qmake-qt4" to the ./configure in plugins |
| [18:44:01] | Kazan: | rebuilding |
| [18:44:15] | clever: | Anduin: the version.pro has several escaped quotes |
| [18:44:23] | clever: | on ubuntu 6.06 they didnt unescape properly |
| [18:44:37] | Anduin: | clever: more dash madness? |
| [18:44:46] | clever: | causing it to run version.sh "\"/pathtosrc/\"someheader.h" ... |
| [18:44:55] | clever: | which returned an error |
| [18:44:56] | Anduin: | (though Chutt would have seen that) |
| [18:45:03] | clever: | for the last time |
| [18:45:10] | clever: | dash wasnt installed! |
| [18:45:13] | clever: | and it ran diff on a 7.10 box |
| [18:45:32] | clever: | the qmake was creating a diff line in the Makefile |
| [18:45:41] | clever: | which doesnt seem to have anything to do with the shell |
| [18:45:41] | esperegu: | anyone can try if they can reproduce my error??? |
| [18:46:19] | clever: | upgrading to 7.10 on my master let me share the binarys the fe's are allready sharing |
| [18:46:28] | clever: | so now i only have 1 src&bin&lib set |
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| [18:48:18] | clever: | ive noticed a new problem in my frontend |
| [18:48:24] | clever: | which i suspect is related to the qt4 switch |
| [18:48:37] | Kazan: | lovely |
| [18:48:39] | clever: | my frontend is runing in a window |
| [18:48:42] | Kazan: | frontend cannot build against qt4 |
| [18:48:45] | Kazan: | but it cannot run against qt3 |
| [18:48:47] | Kazan: | grr |
| [18:48:57] | clever: | and the wm isnt doing any styling to it |
| [18:49:00] | clever: | so theres no border |
| [18:49:11] | clever: | but the window still has a shadow(compiz) |
| [18:49:20] | clever: | and the titlebar(which doesnt exist) has a shadow |
| [18:49:29] | clever: | so the shadow at the top is sticking way out there |
| [18:49:51] | clever: | also |
| [18:49:57] | clever: | when i set the frontend to allways be ontop |
| [18:50:02] | clever: | the whole theme comes out of nowhere |
| [18:50:10] | clever: | and now it has a titlebar&border |
| [18:52:35] | Aval0n: | I don't get it.. when I install ubuntus mythtv pacakge and the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend |
| [18:52:41] | Aval0n: | it auto logins and and loads the front end |
| [18:52:50] | Aval0n: | as soon as I compile from source and installs it blows up |
| [18:52:58] | clever: | i did that to a source compile with the tv username |
| [18:53:01] | clever: | and gdm |
| [18:53:16] | Aval0n: | and complains about Gtk refusing to load because something is set suid |
| [18:53:45] | Kazan: | hey Anduin... older verions can use newer db builds, yes? |
| [18:54:12] | Anduin: | Kazan: No |
| [18:54:34] | ajh: | Do I need to specify the lineups on multiple video sources if they come from the same provider or can I just leave the 2nd blank? |
| [18:54:37] | Anduin: | Kazan: You should have a DB backup in your video directory though. |
| [18:54:52] | clever: | something is screwed up |
| [18:55:01] | clever: | mythtv is sucking 29% of the cpu |
| [18:55:10] | clever: | while paused |
| [18:55:15] | clever: | and playback stutters |
| [18:55:45] | clever: | it never sucked this much cpu before i upgraded |
| [18:56:38] | Kazan: | Anduin: i do |
| [18:57:17] | Anduin: | Kazan: If you pastebin your build errors it is likely someone can resolve them though |
| [18:57:43] | Kazan: | Anduin: millions of errors trying to build plugins against qt4 |
| [18:58:09] | Kazan: | i think that is what is causing the segfault... frontend/backend built against qt4.. but plugins built against qt3 and cannot build against qt4 |
| [18:58:58] | Anduin: | Kazan: You did a make install in mythtv before building the plugins? |
| [18:59:05] | kabtoffe: | esperegu: Isn't title just the name of the rule, Search Phrase is where 'poker' should go. |
| [18:59:34] | Kazan: | Anduin: yes |
| [18:59:40] | Kazan: | Anduin: i have a script that does it all |
| [19:01:02] | Kazan: | heh svn sw from trunk to release-21-fixes is taking a while :P |
| [19:04:30] | Iggle-Piggle: | bit of a noob question |
| [19:04:33] | Iggle-Piggle: | sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20 /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/source |
| [19:04:48] | Iggle-Piggle: | where it says $(uname -r) |
| [19:04:55] | Iggle-Piggle: | do i put my username? |
| [19:05:37] | esperegu: | kabtoffe: u ta man! thx! |
| [19:06:12] | iamlindoro__: | Iggle-Piggle, no. uname -r is a command that prints your kernel version. |
| [19:06:27] | iamlindoro__: | use the command exactly as shown where you are copying it from |
| [19:06:41] | iamlindoro__: | ie exactly as you pasted above. |
| [19:06:57] | Iggle-Piggle: | good |
| [19:07:00] | Iggle-Piggle: | lol |
| [19:07:26] | Iggle-Piggle: | if only it were easy to installa nova t 500 |
| [19:10:34] | Kazan: | gawd i love building on a Athlon 64 X2 4200+ :P |
| [19:10:36] | Kazan: | fast fast fast |
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| [19:21:35] | timing: | Hi |
| [19:21:45] | timing: | I have a usb dongle working with a coax in it |
| [19:21:52] | timing: | it works with mplayer tv:// |
| [19:22:09] | timing: | but not with mythtv |
| [19:22:16] | timing: | i bet i need to set up something |
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| [19:31:31] | justinh: | yeah I bet you need to set up something too |
| [19:31:36] | justinh: | doesn't just set up itself |
| [19:32:03] | justinh: | is it a DVB usb stick ... or is it.. something else? |
| [19:32:10] | iamlindoro__: | Set up a web browser, perhaps, and point it at www.mythtv.org |
| [19:33:25] | xand: | but... surely it should Just Work (TM)! |
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| [19:34:15] | peoples: | hey .. |
| [19:35:02] | Iggle-Piggle: | help i am installing a dvb card and if i do dmesg | grep dvb |
| [19:35:29] | Iggle-Piggle: | i get dvb-usb could not load firmware, file not found: dvb-ttpci-01.fw |
| [19:35:47] | peoples: | i want to compile mythtv svn but get this error ... http://nopaste.info/22c9227653.html |
| [19:35:51] | peoples: | some ideas ? |
| [19:35:54] | justinh: | Iggle-Piggle: so track down a copy of said file & bung it in /lib/firmware or whereever |
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| [19:36:29] | peoples: | can't find something interesting in google |
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| [19:36:51] | justinh: | peoples: you're missing things you need in order to build mythtv |
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| [19:37:16] | justinh: | peoples: if you're running something debian-ish (ubuntu, eg) – sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins |
| [19:37:21] | bradd-2914: | does anyone know what channels are unencrypted on the verizon fios HD STBs' firewire port..just the locals? |
| [19:37:35] | justinh: | bradd-2914: YMMV, by all accounts |
| [19:37:37] | peoples: | justing , yes i think so .. but what ?:D |
| [19:37:47] | peoples: | i'm running archlinux |
| [19:38:00] | timing: | 21:32:03 < justinh> is it a DVB usb stick ... or is it.. something else? |
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| [19:38:10] | timing: | both, it's connected to analog now |
| [19:38:28] | justinh: | peoples: as usual an archlinux user has cherry picked the bits of the error they thought would be most relevant – and thus the info isn't much use |
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| [19:42:52] | Aval0n: | http://inpherno.com:8080/.xsession-errors <-- can someone tell me why that is breaking |
| [19:43:01] | Aval0n: | mythfrontend is not set suid |
| [19:43:09] | Aval0n: | I can't understand why the heck it's failing |
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| [19:47:40] | peoples: | hm .. i've added #include <climits> in mythcdrom-linux.cpp and it runs .. :) |
| [19:48:21] | TelnetManta: | Can anyone tell me how to debug EIT data? My guide stopped updating recently...... |
| [19:48:41] | janneg: | TelnetManta: mythbackend -v eit |
| [19:48:43] | peoples: | i think mythbacken --verbose eit |
| [19:48:54] | peoples: | :) |
| [19:50:11] | janneg: | TelnetManta: testing if there is actually data with dvbsnoop -adapter 0 -n 50 -nph 0x12 while it is tuned to a channel without data |
| [19:50:51] | Aval0n: | guys when you run mythtv from a terminal how can you get it fullscreen so it doesn't show the top an bottom menu bars?/ |
| [19:50:51] | TelnetManta: | janneg: guess I need to get dvbsnoop |
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| [19:52:39] | TelnetManta: | janneg: I see this in the log "2008-03–31 15:51:54.132 EITHelper: Added 10 events |
| [19:52:39] | TelnetManta: | " |
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| [19:53:00] | TelnetManta: | but the guide still only goes to 4/2/2008 at 5p, |
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| [19:54:49] | timing: | hey, mythtv is able to probe my video device |
| [19:55:17] | timing: | but when i want to watch tv, my screen goes to black for a very short time and then returns to mythtv |
| [19:56:31] | janneg: | TelnetManta: that looks if the channels have only data for 2 days |
| [19:57:33] | janneg: | you could still look at the dvbsnoop output if find events after 4/2/2008 at 5p which I doubt |
| [19:58:18] | janneg: | the dvbsnoop command doesn't work for you if you have ATSC |
| [19:58:37] | Anduin: | Aval0n: Gnome and compiz? |
| [19:59:18] | TelnetManta: | janneg: DVB |
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| [19:59:30] | Aval0n: | Anduin: yep |
| [20:00:09] | janneg: | TelnetManta: then it is correct. your date suggested you're from north america |
| [20:01:07] | Anduin: | Aval0n: compiz workarounds has a legacy full screen workaround you can enable |
| [20:01:16] | ** Kazan boggles at some DVDs ** | |
| [20:01:21] | Aval0n: | is that in compiz-setup |
| [20:01:21] | Kazan: | both Xine and Internal do this |
| [20:01:23] | Aval0n: | or something |
| [20:01:25] | Kazan: | but PowerDVD on windows doesn't |
| [20:01:41] | Kazan: | on these disks (last two disks of Dog Whisperer season 1) it takes FOREVER to even load up the menu |
| [20:01:52] | Kazan: | it just sits there as if stuck.. one disk took like atleast 15 minutes to get anywhere |
| [20:01:59] | Kazan: | no errors being pumped to dmesg |
| [20:02:54] | Aval0n: | Anduin: you ever hear of anyone running they're mythtv setups with compiz? |
| [20:02:59] | Aval0n: | without issues? |
| [20:03:15] | Aval0n: | I have been using open box, but I'de like the ability to flip to a web browser for my wife if she wants to |
| [20:06:11] | Anduin: | Aval0n: I've seen people having trouble, not too many people speak up when it all works. |
| [20:06:29] | Aval0n: | what trouble were they having, do you happen to remember? |
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| [20:12:38] | Anduin: | Aval0n: Not really, I do have one machine that has compiz and a frontend and I haven't noticed much (but I don't use it). |
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| [20:27:40] | timing: | why is the "MythTV setup terminal" not closing after i close mythtv-setup? |
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| [20:29:02] | iamlindoro__: | timing, better asked in #ubuntu-mythtv.... Real MythTV's mythtv-setup is run from a terminal and doesn't spawn one of its own |
| [20:29:46] | iamlindoro__: | The from-the-menu and spawns-a-terminal-windows things are Ubuntu user friendliness niceties |
| [20:31:58] | TelnetManta: | janneg: Got it working, thanks! |
| [20:32:14] | TelnetManta: | I now have 9 days of guide data, shew! |
| [20:32:44] | TelnetManta: | time to go home and watch tv :-) |
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| [20:34:05] | ajh: | hey, given that Schedules Direct provides the full channel name, why not set the full channel label in the channel list using it so we don't need to hand edit things? |
| [20:34:27] | ajh: | or at least make it an option, then a re-scan doesn't wipe out your changes |
| [20:35:21] | ajh: | is it in the downloaded data or just on the lineup? |
| [20:36:45] | ajh: | for that matter, turning off the data in the download for those channels you disable might save some download time. |
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| [21:09:24] | hadees: | anyone have their frontends suspend when not in use? |
| [21:11:36] | Aval0n: | me |
| [21:11:51] | Aval0n: | I phear the burn-in on my plasma |
| [21:11:57] | Aval0n: | actually I have it screen blank |
| [21:12:00] | Aval0n: | not suspend |
| [21:12:12] | Aval0n: | cause suspend gives me a blue screen with no signal box |
| [21:12:17] | Aval0n: | which can burn in too |
| [21:12:18] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [21:12:22] | hadees: | i'm not really worried about burn in |
| [21:12:24] | Aval0n: | so I have it fade to black |
| [21:12:30] | hadees: | i'm more interested in saving power |
| [21:12:36] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [21:12:48] | Aval0n: | doubt you'de notice the difference on your electric bill |
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| [21:13:35] | JohnMahowald: | Kill A Watt for the win |
| [21:13:59] | hadees: | not true, it adds up plus why should i be wasting power if i don't need to |
| [21:15:16] | hadees: | although i think i might try suspend to ram instead of disk for a faster wake up time |
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| [21:45:08] | Decepticon: | JohnMahowald have you used kill-a-watt? |
| [21:45:39] | Decepticon: | JohnMahowald, can i use it to measure how much watts out of my 250 W supply im using, so i can see if i can add a tv tuner card successfully with enough power for it? |
| [21:46:42] | PatrickDK: | that is going be hard to figure |
| [21:46:54] | Decepticon: | so what do you suggest |
| [21:46:54] | PatrickDK: | cause a 300watt psu is going use more than 300watts of power |
| [21:47:12] | JohnMahowald: | Decepticon: You plug it into main AC power then the appliance into it. |
| [21:47:14] | JohnMahowald: | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/ |
| [21:47:21] | PatrickDK: | the only *CORRECT* way is to take watt readings on all the power outputs |
| [21:47:28] | PatrickDK: | cause each one has a different max rating |
| [21:47:41] | Decepticon: | i used this calculator http://www.journeysystems.com/?power_supply_calculator it says i have used 202 W with my components... and i have a 250W PSU |
| [21:47:50] | odz: | anyone know a easy way to delete channels from mythtv? |
| [21:48:02] | PatrickDK: | odz, hack the db |
| [21:49:29] | JohnMahowald: | Channel editor in setup? I seem to remember wiping channels somehow |
| [21:53:16] | PatrickDK: | according to that calc, my backend is using around 460watts |
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| [21:54:58] | emja: | is it possible from a shell command to identify the currently playing video? |
| [21:55:07] | emja: | or any other status info about the frontend? |
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| [21:56:55] | Widget: | 'lo |
| [21:57:16] | Widget: | i was wondering if anyone has actually got projectM working as a libvisual plugin to mythmusic? |
| [21:57:31] | hadees: | any idea how you can figure out the refresh rate for an hdtv? |
| [21:57:42] | hadees: | i'm trying to setup a splash screen my mythtv box |
| [21:57:45] | PatrickDK: | figure out? |
| [21:57:58] | PatrickDK: | it has to be either 29.97 for interlaced |
| [21:58:03] | PatrickDK: | or double that for progressive |
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| [21:59:54] | directhex: | emja, there's a telnet interface which allows just that |
| [22:00:02] | hadees: | PatrickDK, but this is through VGA |
| [22:00:33] | emja: | directhex: thx. do you know of a URL with more info? |
| [22:00:42] | hadees: | this is what a windows program gave me VertRefresh 50–80 HorizSync 30–85 |
| [22:00:43] | PatrickDK: | hadees? and? |
| [22:01:07] | PatrickDK: | you asked for the refresh, not sync timings |
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| [22:01:38] | directhex: | emja, telnet to port 6546, type "query location" |
| [22:01:42] | hadees: | PatrickDK, i know, but 29.97 or 60 doesn't sound right |
| [22:01:51] | emja: | directhex: many thanks |
| [22:02:00] | PatrickDK: | ok, you know better than me! |
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| [22:11:07] | Widget: | i'm guessing that's a no |
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| [22:24:09] | odz: | is it possible to use sqlite instead of mysql? |
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| [22:26:02] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [22:26:09] | GreyFoxx: | no alternate database support at all |
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| [22:26:50] | ** directhex works on oracle support for myth ** | |
| [22:27:36] | bobgill: | Anyone here have their backend/frontend on same computer ? |
| [22:27:49] | odz: | blah mysql slows down my backend so much :( |
| [22:28:03] | H00chster: | odz, as to your remove channels question, install phpmyadmin it is pretty easy to use.or install mythweb |
| [22:28:29] | GreyFoxx: | odz: Considering it's barely used it shouldn't unless you have a weird configuration issue |
| [22:28:39] | GreyFoxx: | or server lack of ram causing your machine to swap |
| [22:29:12] | H00chster: | bobgill I have in the past but don't anymore, but if you can get the backend running the frontend is pretty much there |
| [22:29:19] | odz: | my backend only has 256 of ram :/ |
| [22:29:20] | purserj: | http://jamespurser.com.au/blog/MythNews_-_More_Ramblings <-- thoughts, critiques welcome |
| [22:29:24] | odz: | so i guess thats why |
| [22:29:36] | H00chster: | odz I would highly suggest upgrading ram if you are gonna run a gui and such |
| [22:29:43] | H00chster: | bet it compiles slow as a dog too |
| [22:29:52] | odz: | ya |
| [22:30:36] | odz: | i'd have to build another system since this one using the old rambus memory that costs like $150 for a 256 stick :/ |
| [22:31:20] | H00chster: | pc's are cheap go count the pennies in the couch. don't take much for a backend, just depending on what u wanna do with your frontend determines what you need power wise for it |
| [22:31:27] | bobgill: | H00chster: okay, I'm just curious because I am thinking of using my everyday pc as backend/frontend.. I planned to have an old box as the backend but the parts are no good |
| [22:31:50] | H00chster: | it should work fine bobgill only time you might run into a little trouble is getting into HD |
| [22:32:38] | bobgill: | well I have a pvr 150, plan to just capture regular cable tv |
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| [23:41:01] | Decepticon: | how many watts does the pvr 150 use? |
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| [23:41:36] | directhex: | no heatsink, pci card... i'd guess 4W |
| [23:42:47] | XLV: | pci limit iirc is like 25W? |
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| [23:43:23] | XLV: | since agp which is based on pci could supply that to gpu.. but maybe that amount is shared on all pci bus/cards |
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| [23:44:20] | directhex: | consider the heatsink on a high end agp card though |
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| [23:45:49] | ajh: | from time to time I have to manually switch inputs when selecting a channel from the guide for it to work, shouldn't it be auto-switching inputs based on the channel table info? |
| [23:46:28] | directhex: | XLV, 25W for all PCI slots on a bus combined |
| [23:46:33] | directhex: | ajh, from the guide, yes, it should |
| [23:46:50] | ajh: | any idea what might interfere with this happening properly? |
| [23:47:20] | directhex: | incorrect listings info – e.g. you have channels linked to cards which can't get those channels? |
| [23:47:43] | ajh: | shouldn't, given they're dvb channel scanned. |
| [23:47:54] | ajh: | but I'll do a run through the freq table and check |
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| [23:53:25] | territory: | is there anyway to to watch /control ur tv/mythbox on a windows pc, like streaming live tv |
| [23:53:31] | territory: | not just recordings |
| [23:55:04] | TelnetManta: | Anyone know of a MB at NewEgg with at least 4 PCI slots? |
| [23:56:19] | TelnetManta: | NM I found the advanced search :-D |
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