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Sunday, March 30th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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robbins876__:

it just detected them all automatically

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sebrock:

tell me about it... mythweb totally crached with .21 this worked fine in 0.20

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robbins876__:

now, unless the files end with cd1 or cd2, it doesn't detect them

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robbins876__:

or 1 or 2

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wagner:

ive got a problem where if the symlinks dont exists, mythweb will create them on the first view

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wagner:

but if they do exist, mythweb cant see them, and cant create new ones, so it fails

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robbins876__:

lame

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robbins876__:

where do i file a complaint?

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sebrock:

wagner: what?

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sebrock:

mythweb creates symlinks?

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GreyFoxx:

I've never had mythvideo auto start another video unless I set it up in the video manager first

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GreyFoxx:

but It's not something I've had to regularly do as I tell apps I use to rip dvd's to make 1 large file rather than multiple

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GreyFoxx:

as for filing a complaint, that would be to your local trash bin ;)

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sebrock:

GreyFoxx: would you know why mythweb is trying to access a path thats a NFS mount on my frontend instead of using the symlinks in /mythweb/data?

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GreyFoxx:

not really no

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GreyFoxx:

I keep all paths the same on all my backenbds/frontends

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wagner:

sebrock: the symlinks in /mythweb/data

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wagner:

if they dont exist, mythweb works fine, once

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wagner:

after that first time, it creates the symlinks automatically

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wagner:

and then no longer works

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sebrock:

mythweb seems really messy in 0.21

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wagner:

i had this problem before in 0.20 and fixed it, but i dont remember what i did

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robbins876__:

GreyFoxx, but, like i said above, it worked fine in .20

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sebrock:

funny thing is that even if I change my paths to the same on all machines mythweb would still look in the wrong dir

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dustybin:

my mrs has asked me if i could enlarge the frontend, anyone have any ideas?

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justinh:

cialis?

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purserj:

was she talking about myth?

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GreyFoxx:

dustybin: "enlarge" it ?

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exec87:

can anyone tell me how i have to configure my sound and tv card to get sound in TV Programs, i have to connect the TV Card Line OUT with the Soundcard line in

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exec87:

but dont know how i have to configure the software

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rooaus:

dustybin: I can forward a few helpful emails on the subject if you like ;)

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dustybin:

:P

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blackest:

exec87 if you have a frame grabber tv card junk it

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blackest:

well don't bother using it for myth anyway...

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ShiftyPowers:

is SVN broken right now?

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ShiftyPowers:

can't compile the latess

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ShiftyPowers:

something about not being able to find Qt4

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odz:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

Broken? No, require QT4 as of a week ago? Yes

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ShiftyPowers:

it is broken odz ?

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

:)

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ShiftyPowers:

in ubuntu, what package is that then if you know?

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GreyFoxx:

wouldnt know :)

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odz:

it'l compile fine if you install qt4 but the qt-mysql is still broken

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GreyFoxx:

packages = poo

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odz:

for some reason it doesnt find the right qt-mysql package so it wont connect via mysql at all

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odz:

i've been trying to get it to work all day untill i realized it was because i was using trunk :(

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odz:

just use 2.1

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ajh:

So, I've managed to fix every font except the guide block fonts, channel name, etc... they're all still tiny. Can someone point me in the right direction to fix those?

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jams:

yay almost finished with this stupid little program

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robbins876__:

i wish there was an easier way to setup the play after file in myth video manger

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robbins876__:

manager

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ajh:

or point me at documentation for the theme xml format, since I figure it's in there.

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rooaus:

ShiftyPowers: qt4-dev-tools and libqt4-dev

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robbins876__:

i don't get why it's borked from the last release!! who's idea was this?

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ajh:

Either way, theyr'e unreadable now.

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jams:

http://jmeyer.us/screens/start_myth.png

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ShiftyPowers:

rooaus, i installed those but make breaks at libmythupnp

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ShiftyPowers:

for some reason

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rooaus:

remove *all* non-version controlled files from your checkout. You can use svn-clean from subversion-tools. You probably have some old generated Makefiles lying around, IIRC make distclean does not get them all.

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ShiftyPowers:

rooaus, any idea on this error message

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ShiftyPowers:

http://www.pastebin.ca/962795

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ShiftyPowers:

i did make distclean

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ShiftyPowers:

ahhh

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm

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rooaus:

Also run "svn st -q" and make sure your checkout is clean/pristine.

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ShiftyPowers:

will try

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ShiftyPowers:

have you been able to compile latest SVN?

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rooaus:

ShiftyPowers: Yeah, only prob is with mythphone (if it wasn't previously installed), but that is a known.

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ShiftyPowers:

ok must be my end then

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rooaus:

ShiftyPowers: You may also want to remove the previous qt3 dev packages if you don't need them for anything else. Although configure has an affinity for qmake4 now.

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GreyFoxx:

as long as your QTDIR is set, and you pass --qmake= to the configure line it should find everything it needs

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GreyFoxx:

That info is pre 0.21 I believe

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psymin:

any tips on getting projectm working in.21?

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GreyFoxx:

Wrong channel :)

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ShiftyPowers:

remove qt3 and it's compiling so far

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odz:

ya but mythtv-setup will complain that it cant start the mysql driver and wont connect to mysql

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rooaus:

odz: Not for me on my ubuntu install, maybe the qt4 mysql driver is a separate install on your distro like it was with qt3 on ubuntu?

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iamlindoro_:

apt-cache search qt4 |grep sql

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rooaus:

libqt4-dev depends on libqt4-sql

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Fen_Star:

I was wondering what the best way to install myth tv in fedora 8 is, It seemed like I was supposed to use yum install mythtv-suite, but that doesn't work

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dustybin:

Fen_Star: be a rebel and compile it yourself

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Fen_Star:

ok, I'll try, but I seem to be unable to compile anything

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dustybin:

why not

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Fen_Star:

because I am new to linux

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dustybin:

aye ok

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H00chster:

greyfoxx by chance have the bios and such for the msntv2 handy?

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dustybin:

Fen_Star: read this http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=82

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Fen_Star:

Dusty: Thanks!

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EnderTheThird:

Any of you guys tried Vinagre yet?

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ICM:

MythTV really looks nice, but is there any way I can do some sort of.. remote control setup? Basically here is the issue, I have my Ubuntu server downstairs, in which i want to put my "new" TV Wonder Pro. I want to stream the output of that so I may watch cable (live) on a (sigh, yes) Windows computer. I know MythTV does not run and Windows on such, but is there any way to do this? Even perhaps X11 fowarding?

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ICM:

(Note that i'd be using Xming-mesa on the Windows XP computer for X11 forwarding if that is neccesary)

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ICM:

If MythTV isn't an option I suppose I could stream it with VLC or something, I'm new to MythTV looked/gurgled at it in the past, never had the hardware or the pleasure of using it

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cesman:

ICM: there is a Windows port of MythTV

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cesman:

ICM: I however don't know or care of it status

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cesman:

ICM: there are multiple wants to watch MythTV on Windows

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cesman:

ICM: I'd suggest the MythTV archives

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EnderTheThird:

ICM: MythTV can also be run as a LiveCD for a frontend if you can't install Linux on there permanently. It's not convenient for a quick show, but if you watch TV for extended periods of time, it might be worth it like that too.

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ICM:

the thing is the card would be in the Linux box... :/

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ICM:

i'm looking through the docs now just to see, it might be worth my time simply running a cable line into my room, though I've yet to look into VLC streaming documentation

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iamlindoro:

ICM: MythTV is *designed* to allow one to have tuner cards in a remote machine

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iamlindoro:

ergo all the "frontend" and "backend" business you are probably reading about right now

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ICM:

can the frontend (the box that does NOT have the tuner card(s) inside of it) be running Windows?

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Fen_Sta1:

hey, dusty

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mzb_d800:

ICM: there is a windows mythtv FE (apparently)

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ICM:

I'm looking into WinMyth, which appears to be a Windows MythTV frontend, yeah

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iamlindoro:

ICM: do as cesman suggested and read the mailing list archives-- there are multiple ways of watching myth where your backend is on a linux box and you are watching from windows

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ICM:

Alrighty :)

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iamlindoro:

It's *not* a myth frontend-- only Myth is a myth frontend-- it's just a little tool that let's you watch TV and recordings-- myth itself does far far more

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iamlindoro:

and to have all Myth functionality you would need to suck it up and compile mythfrontend for windows

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iamlindoro:

If all you want is to watch TV, then the MythTV player for windows will do-- but you'll be missing most of what makes myth worthwhile

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Fen_Sta1:

Could anyone help me with compiling mythtv?

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ICM:

...

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ICM:

I'm getting urges to install Linux

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ICM:

That would make this all much simpler

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ICM:

I wonder how complex this WinMythTV is, because I see how I could improve it quite a bit, though I'd have to learn a bit more about the back-end

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iamlindoro:

ICM: How do you intend to improve it? It's all likely to be superceded and made irrelevant by the windows port

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iamlindoro:

(not your work that is, but the Windows Myth player)

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ICM:

heh, true.

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ICM:

I'm a bit stupid, any way to search through the mailing list archive?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/

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iamlindoro:

search box, upper right

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ICM:

Oh, I had to be in a subcategory >_<

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TelnetManta:

iamlindoro: do any of the windows players play live tv yet?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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dustybin:

how do you explain this

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dustybin:

my myth box is connected to my av reciever via digital connection

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TelnetManta:

42

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dustybin:

i cannot control the tv volume as the audio is being sent digital to my av reciever

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dustybin:

however, in mythstream, i can control the volume? how the hell does that work?

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ICM:

heh

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ICM:

I'm starting to thnk that MythTV simply isn't for me :/

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ICM:

At least, plain and simple won't work with my setup. Not finding anything worthwhile in the mailing lists

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TelnetManta:

ICM: What setup?

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TelnetManta:

oh, window$

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TelnetManta:

ICM: If its that difficult for you try MythBuntu

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TelnetManta:

doesnt get much simpler than that

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TelnetManta:

#ubuntu-mythtv

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ICM:

Sadly switching away from Windows isn't an option for me

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TelnetManta:

because of the learning curve?

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ICM:

nah, there are just some things on Windows that i need :/

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TelnetManta:

so use a windows VM

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TelnetManta:

thats what I do

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dustybin:

crashes? viruses? malware? spyware?

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ICM:

xD

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TelnetManta:

I have to manage abt 50 windows servers at work so I still need some tools to do my job.

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ICM:

this box probably couldn't handle a Windows VM XD

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ICM:

but some nice things like my keyboard and such would't fully work in Linux, among other things

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TelnetManta:

but my primary OS is Ubuntu with an XP vm

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TelnetManta:

lol, first time I've heard a keyboard stopping someone from trying linux

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ICM:

I had Kubuntu installed about three weeks ago

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ICM:

Getting some things to work.... like my three monitor setup... was somewhat... annoying

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TelnetManta:

seriously, in my experience its the easiest transition for a person if they have a goal. If you want to use Mythtv then you'll be more motivated to learn something new.

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ICM:

I don't know if I have the TIME to do it, either xD

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TelnetManta:

I have three monitors as well..... 6 desktops....

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TelnetManta:

3 monitors, all different sizes I might add.

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ICM:

do you have Compiz/Beryl/Compcomm/Compiz Fusion working on it?

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TelnetManta:

I use Compiz-fusion

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ICM:

what hardware? i'd be using a 7600GS and a 6200LE onboard

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TelnetManta:

I even do all of this on a laptop! when I go home I use just the built in screen. At work its the big setup

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TelnetManta:

I have a Dell Precision M90

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TelnetManta:

big laptop, 17" screen

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ICM:

nice.

[02:50:07]

ICM:

I'm looking at MythWeb and Mythstream

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TelnetManta:

if I had a desktop the 3 screens would be simple

[02:50:35]

ICM:

it actually looks like an option that would work

[02:50:43]

ICM:

I could even stream/control it at school

[02:50:59]

TelnetManta:

why not use a lower powered system for myth

[02:51:19]

ICM:

What do you mean?

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TelnetManta:

my myth box is at home. I listen to music and stream to work everyday

[02:51:43]

ICM:

that's... what I'm takling about

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ICM:

I intend to put the tuners in my Linux box

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TelnetManta:

you mentioned not getting rid of windows so why not use seperate hardware for your backend system...

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TelnetManta:

oh okay

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TelnetManta:

was consused

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ICM:

lol. it's alright. Basically I want to have the TV tuner card(s) in my Ubuntu Server Ed. server running in the basement, and want to watch live TV on my desktop over the LAN

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ICM:

and the desktop is running Windows XP

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TelnetManta:

I wound up building a system specifically for myth. Ordered the MB, CPU, Case etc. Even have a MythTV sticker from Justin on there LOL

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ICM:

nice

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ICM:

If I weren't a poor highschool student, I'd do thqa

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ICM:

that*

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TelnetManta:

well that could pose a problem....

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TelnetManta:

:)

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ICM:

though I did buy the two TV tuners today :D

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TelnetManta:

thats what parents are for HAH

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ICM:

xD

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TelnetManta:

or get a job!

[02:54:03]

ICM:

TV Wonder Pro Internal TV Tuner Card, bought it for $1

[02:54:08]

TelnetManta:

or a better job! :P

[02:54:15]

ICM:

and a Pinnacle Systems GmbH PCTV (Pro) Internal TV Tuner Card for $8

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ICM:

at a hamfest today near baltimore

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TelnetManta:

just have fun but you'll def be better off going with linux. just think of all you'll learn.

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ICM:

>_>

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ICM:

I have a Linux server.

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ICM:

switching from Windows XP to Linux isn't an option just yet

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TelnetManta:

sounds like its out of your comfort level

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TelnetManta:

understand

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ICM:

it is osmewhat, I've spent days trying to get things to work

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ICM:

Nvidia twinview is crap and I've screwed some stuff up

[02:57:13]

ICM:

getting any of my hardware to work would be a crapshoot

[02:57:22]

ICM:

though Linux is great for ham adio

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TelnetManta:

crap is a little strong

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TelnetManta:

nvidia is the best...

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ICM:

ham radio*, some of my equipment wuldn't work

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ICM:

I love nvidia, I dislike TwinView, it didn't quite work :p

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TelnetManta:

did you usr nvidia-settings?

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TelnetManta:

*use

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ICM:

yes

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TelnetManta:

makes things much simpler

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ICM:

sure did, though I never got compiz working

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TelnetManta:

monitor setup can be a pain. I admit I spent abt a week getting things the way I wanted the first time. But that was a few years ago.

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ICM:

look, I just really don't have the time to install Linux, I do kinda want to do it, but it isn't worth the time/effort

[02:59:21]

ICM:

running a VM is an option and I looked into it before, but this machine probably wouldn't handle that

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TelnetManta:

well, good luck.

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone know offhand what the syntax is to create/change uname and password in mysql? This documentation I'm looking at is garbage.

[03:00:04]

EnderTheThird:

Wait, nevermind

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ICM:

TelnetManta, I'm just hoping that MythStream + MythWeb will do it ><

[03:02:31]

EnderTheThird:

Where's the root password for mysql stored by default?

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iamlindoro:

MythStream isn't what you think it is

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iamlindoro:

Mythstream is a plugin for mythfrontend, not mythweb's streaming

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iamlindoro:

Flash playback in Mythweb is just part of Mythweb, not a plugin unto itself

[03:05:06]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: In the database called "mysql"

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iamlindoro:

ie the database name within mysql is actually called mysql

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EnderTheThird:

I'm not fluent with mysql as far as showing the db or info in it.

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ICM:

darn

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EnderTheThird:

I'm just trying to change the default mythtv pw to "mythtv" instead of the random crap it gave me.

[03:06:05]

ICM:

I'm looking at MediaPortal, if I do have to put those TV tuner cards in my box

[03:06:18]

ICM:

in my Windows box*

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: if you're on Ubuntu (and it sounds like you are) I believe you can sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database (or whatever ubuntu calls the mythtv db pacakge)

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ICM:

though I really would prefer MythTV, XD. From what I've read, only thing thing holding back MythTV on Windows is GPL'd Qt on Windows

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iamlindoro:

ICM: like we keep telling you, there's nothing holding myth back on windows-- it compiles fine on windows right now

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: I don't think that reconfigures the password in mysql itself though, just what info myth tries to use when logging in.

[03:07:54]

iamlindoro:

but it's not a beginner operation and you would get absolutely 0 support for it

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: No, it does

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ICM:

heh, in short, I wouldn't be able to do it :/

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ICM:

at that rate I'd use MediaPortal which I stumbled upon somebody mentioning in the mailing lists

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iamlindoro:

ICM: If you're not extremely fluent with compiling w/ MinGW on windows, then probably not, no

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EnderTheThird:

Maybe it should, but it isn't. My old default password is the one letting em access mysql from terminal. The one I entered during dpkg-reconfigure isn't working.

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ICM:

I don't even know what MinGW is... so yeah xD

[03:09:15]

ICM:

Oh well, it was worth a try

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: There is lots of instruction on changing mysql passwords in the Myth docs IIRC

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ICM:

I just have to ask my parents if I can run a cable line into my room

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EnderTheThird:

I'll check around. Googling gave me Greek :)

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EnderTheThird:

Shouldn't really matter with auto-configuring backends or whatever in 0.21, but it's still nice :-/

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emja:

can anyone point me to info re how to control how mythphone starts? I need to wrap a script around the mythphone process so that I can adjust the amixer settings (mic on/off) and camE settings (webcam off/on) accordingly.

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purserj:

yay, all EPGs out by an hour

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emja:

purserj: dst, much? ;-)

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purserj:

emja: confusion reigns

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emja:

purserj: you having trouble with your system thinking that DST finished this morning?

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purserj:

nope, my system is fine, I think the networks have screwed up

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emja:

mine did. but then mine was an old FC3 system. self inflicted wounds

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** emja wonders if they're running FC3 **

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emja:

;-)

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purserj:

mine are gentoo, so a quick emerge timzeone-data fixed that problem

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purserj:

one of them is running RHEL3

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purserj:

I should know I set it up

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emja:

yup

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emja:

I had to copy a timezone file from my ubuntu notebook to my fc3 server to resolve the dst crap

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ICM:

Would there be any way to stream the live input of a capture card with something like an MMS stream or something that I could just play in VLC?

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ICM:

eitehr through MythTV or not...

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ICM:

then again, there is always the problem with changing the channel..

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daMaestro:

anyone else getting shit data from schedules direct?

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ajh:

So, reading through the docs.. does Myth not have 'record all new episodes of N' scheduling yet?

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daMaestro:

a lot of shows are reporting they are 1 hour 10 minutes long

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daMaestro:

so i'm getting false conflicts

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ajh:

Oh, is there a good way to zoom shows? I'm using my VGA input vs the HDMI one and for some reason the panel won't zoom on that input.

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ajh:

So what I want to do is crop the top and bottom black bars and re-scale, do I need to do that in post-transcode?

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EnderTheThird:

anyone else get "Unable to access MythTV Perl API" when logging in via ssh in Hardy Beta?

[03:34:57]

EnderTheThird:

It's a message that pops up just under "Schedule Conflicts" I'm not sure if it's something to be worried about or not.

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Anduin:

ajh: Look at the custom record examples

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ajh:

anduin, oh good, thanks.

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ajh:

Not quite as simple as the Bev9200 interface, but if it can do it, I'm happy :)

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Davo_Dinkum:

are HD firewire tuners available?

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clever:

ajh: mythtv has a zoom in the built in player

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Anduin:

ajh: Yeah, using it relies on SQL and column knowledge but it can be used to make some good scheduling rules.

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ajh:

clever, ah ok I'll just have to find it.

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clever:

ajh: should be under zoom in the menu you can see when playing

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clever:

hit M

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ajh:

anduin, ugh... ok that's something that needs to be properly implemented... recording all new episode numbers and not recording existing episode numbers shouldn't be too hard.

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ajh:

clever, ok thanks, hopefully I'll get around to configuring a remote tomorrow.

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clever:

i need to fix mine

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clever:

i upgraded the distro release 3 times in a row

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clever:

now lirc_i2c causes a kernel oops!

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iamlindoro:

ajh: What Anduin was saying is that it's already possible...

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ajh:

iamlindoro, not for my girlfriend it isn't.

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ajh:

possible sure, practicable, no.

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iamlindoro:

ajh: Why, is your girlfriend not able to set a pulldown in mythweb?

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iamlindoro:

Edit a recording rule, click Advanced Options, pull down the "filter" option. The end,.

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ajh:

Oh, I mis-understood then.

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ajh:

I thought he meant per-show. :)

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ajh:

I'm a little slow this week, got a new kitten a few months ago, and a new puppy a few weeks ago, getting more than 2h sleep at a time is a miracle.

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Anduin:

If you teach them how to schedule they will just introduce conflicts for shows you want anyway.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

incease the prio for your own stuff

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ajh:

I'm putting in 3–4 tuners. :)

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clever:

or buy more cards

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** Anduin hugs the inaccessibility of the recoding rule page **

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ajh:

Last time I tried myth I recall there being a bunch of settings for scaling, I don't see those anymore.

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Fen_Star:

I can't seem to get myth to reconize, freetype. I think it may be in a difrent section from where it is looking for it, has anyone had that problrm?

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Anduin:

Fen_Star: Usually people that get the error are just missing the devel package for freetype.

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Davo_Dinkum:

anyone?

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Davo_Dinkum:

13:41 < Davo_Dinkum> are HD firewire tuners available?

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A-:

HD as in ATSC?

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purserj:

Davo_Dinkum: like this? http://groupaware.com.au/index.php/vmchk/HDTV . . . t-flyer.html

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purserj:

DVB

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purserj:

Davo_Dinkum: is an Aussie ;)

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A-:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_IEEE1394_Devices

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A-:

figured most Aussies wouldn't interchangably use HDTV and Digital TV interchangable like most Yanks do. Thought you were a smarter bunch. ;)

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A-:

but at any rate, doesn't look like there is mainstream support for any dvb-t 1394 devices under linux currently

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purserj:

ah but we have SD and HD

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purserj:

Standard Definition and High Definition

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A-:

both digital?

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A-:

and afaik dvb-t didn't differentiate between the two, just higher resolutions and bitrates.

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purserj:

exactly

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purserj:

standard def is a lower resolution/bitrate than high def

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purserj:

welcome to digital television australian style

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A-:

right, so why the confusion over HD/DVB?

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purserj:

there isn't any

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A-:

alright then, glad we could clear that up

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purserj:

the Australian Standards have defined Standard Definition and High Definition

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purserj:

Tuners are sold either as SD or HD capable

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purserj:

Or both if you're lucky

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purserj:

most people have SD set top boxes

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purserj:

which are incapable of decoding HD streams

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A-:

but a dumb dvb-t tuner, 1394 or otherwise, wouldn't differentiate between the two

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purserj:

welcome to our world, where in order to be standards compliant, the manufacturers have to cripple a system

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A-:

why I was a bit off on him asking about an HD dvb-t tuner in particular

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purserj:

this is also the mob who forgot to define a set number of character for show descriptions in the EIT standard

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purserj:

so you have set top boxes with minimal (50) character limits and others to the full DVB standard

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purserj:

As someone who had to develop an EPG system this was quite painful

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A-:

sounds like another reason to use mythtv

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purserj:

yup

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purserj:

This is also the country that locked out any new fta players on the digital spectrum

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A-:

why?

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purserj:

only existing networks were allowed to bid on a full spectrum license

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purserj:

political reasons

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purserj:

You think Rupert Murdoch has influence in the US, you should see what he and his counter parts down here have

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A-:

I hate it when politics gets involved with my technology. Just today a friend asked me why the US is using a different standard then the rest of the world

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A-:

I couldn't give him a better reason then politics

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purserj:

NIH syndrome?

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A-:

part of it

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purserj:

yeah we've got the opposite problem

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purserj:

NISE

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purserj:

Not invented somewhere else

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A-:

I'm sure pandering to special interest groups with an interest in getting THEIR IP included in the standard

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ajh:

oh, any idea on how to fix the guide charset so it displays accented characters properly?

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Davo_Dinkum:

thanks purserj ill look at it in ~1 hour

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flinttown420:

for some reason when i go to "watch tv" it freezes both video and audio for about 5–10 seconds

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flinttown420:

than goes smooth for a few seconds

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flinttown420:

etc etc

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flinttown420:

tv wonder pro

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Davo_Dinkum:

purserj: NIH?

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Davo_Dinkum:

err ok, i was thinking of an IEEE1394 DVB-T HD tuner

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Davo_Dinkum:

like the usb2 ones except it uses IEEE1394

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Davo_Dinkum:

a small stick

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tbonemadz:

Hi guys I need some help

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tbonemadz:

I'm having a problem with MythTv locking up on any video being played. I'm somewhat a noob at linux but know how to get around. I upgraded to a large lcd tv and finally have my resolution fixed at 1920 x 1080 at 60hz. Image colors are fixed but my video locks up any time i try to play a video within myth.

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tbonemadz:

This makes me thing its the engine it uses to show video because VLC video player works perfect. So i dont think its a driver issue

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Davo_Dinkum:

which uses less CPU power, usb or PCI?

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tbonemadz:

well crap.. I ran cat /dev/video0 and also on video1..both work great. what the hell is myth tvs problem

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clever:

Calling appendChild() on a null node does nothing.

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clever:

my frontend has learned to spam!

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tbonemadz:

nice

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tbonemadz:

my frontend locks up playing any video.. but the tuners work.. tested using cat...

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clever:

entire system or just the program?

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tbonemadz:

entire system

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clever:

capslock&friends blinking at you when frozen?

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tbonemadz:

let me try again

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clever:

got a 2nd frontend on the network?

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tbonemadz:

nope

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tbonemadz:

just this one

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tbonemadz:

its backend and front all in one

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tbonemadz:

no blinking

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clever:

remote working on lirc?

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tbonemadz:

yes

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tbonemadz:

everything was working perfect

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tbonemadz:

then i moved to a 42 inch lcd

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clever:

get it ready to crash it again

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tbonemadz:

xorg got trashed then now works

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tbonemadz:

oh

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tbonemadz:

it didn't crash that time

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clever:

then switch to text mode with ctrl+alt+f1

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tbonemadz:

shot me back to the menu

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clever:

then use the remote to finish crashing it while running blind

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tbonemadz:

no video hrmmm

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tbonemadz:

reboot it

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clever:

the major kernel level errors can only be seen when in TEXT mode

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tbonemadz:

odd that it worked great until i went to bigger monitor

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clever:

ive upgraded my distro version 3 times in a row

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tbonemadz:

i uninstalled and reinstalled myth and that fixed all my corrupt images.. inverted colours

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clever:

6.06->6.10->7.04->7.10

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tbonemadz:

heh

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tbonemadz:

i'm a linux noob but i'm learning

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clever:

i was getting alot of corupted colors at one point

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tbonemadz:

using mythdora 4.0 atm

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clever:

but ONLY when mythtv had focus

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tbonemadz:

using myth 20.1

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clever:

alt+tab out and it went to normal

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tbonemadz:

weird

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clever:

i finaly tracked it down

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clever:

i did some abnormal things to get both the ati and nvidia glx drivers working at once

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clever:

and i was using the client side driver from one on mythtv

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clever:

and the xorg+kernel drive for another

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tbonemadz:

hmmm

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tbonemadz:

nice

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tbonemadz:

let me try to go to watchtv again see what it does

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clever:

whenever mythtv got focus the wrong driver reset a few things

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clever:

my watchtv fails 80% of the time

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tbonemadz:

i'm using a wireless mousekeyboardat the moment.. dunnoif that matters for blinking ligths

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clever:

if the keyboard connects thru the normal ps2 port it shouldnt matter

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tbonemadz:

mine has never failed until the tv upgrade

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tbonemadz:

its usb

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clever:

usb might not be able to blink

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clever:

when the kernal panics it blinks the lights and does nothing else

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tbonemadz:

roger

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clever:

but usb is too 'complex' for it to be able to do when frozen

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clever:

after my upgrade ive fixed nearly everythign

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tbonemadz:

i hear the hard drive clicking and doing stuff but no video.. blank screen

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clever:

but lirc_i2c causes a kernel oops

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clever:

the drive may click once or twice as it saves things in the on disk buffer

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clever:

but if it keeps doing it then the system itself is alive and well

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tbonemadz:

its still clicking

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tbonemadz:

what do i need to do

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tbonemadz:

no screen.. black

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clever:

when the system is 'frozen'

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clever:

poke the power button

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clever:

it ifs ok it should shutdown normaly

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tbonemadz:

i dont think its frozen this time

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tbonemadz:

alt f1 or somtehing for a shell

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clever:

causing lots of hdd activity and then it will shut itself off after a min

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clever:

ctrl+alt+f1 gives a real TEXT mode shell

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clever:

like dos

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tbonemadz:

no response

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tbonemadz:

hrmm

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tbonemadz:

still clicking away

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clever:

alt+printscreen+r

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clever:

ctrl+alt+f1

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tbonemadz:

weird man

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clever:

that should unRaw the keyboard(release xorg's deathgrip on it) then switch to tty1

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tbonemadz:

iddn't work

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tbonemadz:

i hit thep ower button see if it shuts down

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tbonemadz:

anyway... why is myth freaking out but other apps like vlc work

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clever:

dont know

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tbonemadz:

damn tv... lol – i had to hold the button and kill it

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tbonemadz:

but it was clicking.. i wonder if my resolution has anything to do with myth locking up

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clever:

try playing old recordings

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tbonemadz:

it does the same thing

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tbonemadz:

i've tried it

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clever:

if old recordings kill it then its nothing to do with the tuner

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tbonemadz:

its the video decoder

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

hardware or cpu decoding?

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tbonemadz:

hardware

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tbonemadz:

pvr 250

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tbonemadz:

hauppauge

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clever:

try setting it back to cpu decoding

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clever:

and seeing if that fixes it

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tbonemadz:

perferd mpeg decoder

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tbonemadz:

standard?

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clever:

i dont remember what normal is

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tbonemadz:

i wonder if reinstalling mplayer willfix it

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tbonemadz:

cause i can't get mplayer to doanything on regular files

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clever:

mythtv doesnt use mplayer for its video playback

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tbonemadz:

under video player it say Mplayer

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tbonemadz:

should it say something else?

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clever:

thats only for mythvideo

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clever:

for livetv/oldrecordings it uses the internal mythtv player

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tbonemadz:

grrrrrrrrrrr

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tbonemadz:

well this stinks

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tbonemadz:

maybe i'll just reinstall mythdora over it and not wipe the partitions.. keep the data

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tbonemadz:

faster anyway

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tbonemadz:

irritates me everything else works great

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justinh:

df

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justinh:

doh

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justinh:

tbonemadz: ATI video card eh?

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tbonemadz:

nvidia 6200

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tbonemadz:

worked great on my 19 in, video and all.. perfect.. on new tv... had to redo config reinstall myth but still will not play videos

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justinh:

with binary nvidia drivers?

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justinh:

reinstalling myth wouldn't really do much good

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justinh:

and moving a nvidia card to use tv out instead of VGA is as easy as changing a couple of lines in xorg.conf

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justinh:

(usually)

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tbonemadz:

i'm using vga connection tothe tv

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tbonemadz:

it works great no problems

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tbonemadz:

i can play videos.. etc

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tbonemadz:

but myth locks up when playing videos

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tbonemadz:

the internal player is jacked up

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justinh:

goes without saying it shouldn't lock the system

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justinh:

should be incapable of locking the system

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Cackette:

hey guys

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tbonemadz:

yep

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Cackette:

Why was 59 509 gay?

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Cackette:

It LIX DIX.

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tbonemadz:

i made a file using the cat /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 both work played them with vlc

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justinh:

ooo a homophobe who tells crap jokes. don't get many of them here

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Cackette:

thats not a crap joke

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Cackette:

do you ever understand it?

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justinh:

yeah, and it's still not funny

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Cackette:

you fail

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justinh:

968 7825

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Cackette:

that doesnt say anything

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justinh:

yeah well take your shitty maths jokes somewhere else boy

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Cackette:

if you were smart, you'd laugh and go on with life

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justinh:

it's not funny :)

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Cackette:

because you're not smart

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justinh:

no, it's not funny. I'm not going to argue the point. It's futile. Maths jokes aren't funny

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Cackette:

If you're stupid, very much so.

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justinh:

this is why maths jokes aren't ever funny. they're used by people who think they're superior to lord over people they _think_ are less clever

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Cackette:

Yeah, no.

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Cackette:

stfu

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justinh:

and now we come to the lowest common denominator. you truly are smarter than I

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Eckos:

what hardware do I need to run mythtv?

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Cackette:

basically nothing

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Cackette:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1

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Eckos:

so i don't need a tv card or w/e w00t

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Eckos:

someone said i did

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justinh:

you don't _need_ a TV card but believe me using mythtv as just a general dumb media centre is more work than it's worth

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Eckos:

lol

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Eckos:

free pr0n lol j/k

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Cackette:

thats what a pc is for

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Eckos:

lol

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Eckos:

so is this how people put tv shows on bittorrent and all. (i'm just wondering not going to do it)

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justinh:

no idea. how they break copyright laws is entirely up to them

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Eckos:

yeah i don't vcondone piracy

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Eckos:

condone*

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svu:

can mythtv be used not as upnp server but upnp client?

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justinh:

nope

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svu:

pity. "not implemented yet" or "Devs not interested"?

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justinh:

neither. just doesn't have a upnp client for music, video or pictures right now

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justinh:

until it is, you can always use djmount

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svu:

well, I dreamed of something less hackish

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svu:

any simple upnp/dlna client...

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zonyl:

Hi All. I have built an HTPC running Mythtv (works well!) and have just acquired a HTDV. I dont play games on the machine, just movies, and was wondering what vid card to get to support HDMI w/audio from spdif on MB?

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justinh:

buy a video card with an HDMI output which will take spdif input from your motherboard – simple!

[13:35:23]

zonyl:

I have read on google that people are having problems getting ATI/NVidia cards doing loopback audio (driver related?)

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Dagmar:

I can see where it might be a problem getting a video card to do audio.

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rushfan:

I built mythtv with the debug flag but when I run it with gdb it says '(no debugging symbols found)' :|

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Dagmar:

So -g was passed to the compiler and you didn't strip the binaries?

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rushfan:

Dagmar: what? Are you talking to me?

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Dagmar:

No, you're just hallucinating.

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rushfan:

you coulda been talking to somebody else...

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rushfan:

anyhow, I use gentoo, so I set the useflags to 'debug' and re-emerged everything

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rushfan:

http://monoport.com/8286 --> is that what the result should look like or not?

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justinh:

ahh use flags. how I don't miss them

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rushfan:

justinh: watcha using now?

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justinh:

not gentoo. it's the best not-gentoo distro I've ever used

[14:01:36]

rushfan:

ummmm

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rushfan:

thats vague

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justinh:

indeed it is

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rushfan:

Ubuntu? OpenSUSE? Debian?

[14:02:18]

justinh:

$whocares ?

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justinh:

if I don't want to say, that's my perogative

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rushfan:

umm ok

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rushfan:

then you ought not have brought up that you hate gentoo

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justinh:

when did I say I hate gentoo?

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rushfan:

ahh use flags. how I don't miss them

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justinh:

so I don't miss use flags. doesn't mean I hate gentoo

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justinh:

svn commit

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justinh:

duh

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Dagmar:

Hint: Don't act like a primma-donna when you want help

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rushfan:

Right because that sense made perfect sense. If you serioulsy want to sit here all day starting

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rushfan:

'interweb fights' over stupid technicalities of the implications of what was said, go have fun

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Dagmar:

Fuck right off then

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Zathraz:

hi. Has the syntax of mythfilldatabase changed between 0.20 and 0.21 ?

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Zathraz:

I used to run: mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 /home/mythtv/.tv_grab_nl_py.xml

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Zathraz:

but that fails now

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clever:

ASSERT failure in QList<T>::operator[]: "index out of range", file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h, line 394

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dustybin:

clever: Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don't look around the eyes, look into the eyes, look into the eyes

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clever:

i have no idea how/when i caused that:P

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clever:

i just noticed it in my stdout when i went to start the frontend

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Fen_Star:

I can't seem to get myth to recoginize freetype, does anyone have any suggestions?

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Fen_Star:

I tried using yum to install it, I tried compiling it, I tried using --prefix=/mingw

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levander:

Can you burn an ISO to DVD using mytharchive? Or, do most people use some other program?

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dustybin:

Fen_Star: compile it yourself you sillly sod

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dustybin:

Fen_Star: make sure you remove old version first

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Fen_Star:

old version of what?

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Fen_Star:

Also, I am compileing it myself

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TelnetManta:

can anyone tell me what a normal channel change speed is with a DVB card in Myth? Mine seems painfully slow

[14:59:03]

xand:

TelnetManta: mine takes a few seconds

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Aval0n:

anyone know if it would me possible to make a small script to toggle AC3 passthrough on and off?

[14:59:36]

Aval0n:

I want to map it to a button on my remote

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TelnetManta:

xand: Mine changes in a few seconds (locks) then takes another few seconds to display video

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Koffa:

does recording a show (once) modify any other tables besides recorded?

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Koffa:

any meta-data lying around after the recording is done?

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dustybin:

the same problem came back to my frontend last night, when i escaped back to the main menu, all the text disapears, all you can see is the background theme image, you can still navigate blindly into other menus and the text comes back, but when i escape back to the main menu nothing is showing apart from background image, this happens with both opengl + qt painter

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orko:

hi. is it possible to get rid of the prograssbar at the startup of the frontend. i neve change my resolution, so why are the icons always scaled ?

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kormoc:

works for me (tm)

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iamlindoro_:

orko: because it has to redo it every time you change theme or install a new version, too

[15:36:40]

iamlindoro_:

and when it's not really scaling, it takes less than a second or two, so no harm there

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orko:

iamlindoro: it does it evry time i start the front end from mythwelcome. i did not change either resolution or theme or anything.,

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orko:

iamlindoro_: it just does not look "professionell". i like mythtv very much but in some cases it should look more adult.

[15:39:34]

iamlindoro_:

Have no idea why a technical consideration would somehow make something "unprofessional..." but I'm sure everyone eagerly awaits the patch to make it unnecessary

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: When someone says something is "unprofessional" without qualification, it really means "I just don't like it"

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Dagmar:

Quite often it means "I have no clue what I'm doing" as well.

[15:42:17]

Dagmar:

I *suppose* even *I* could add a command-line argument to make it skip re-rendering the theme images, but...

[15:42:17]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: I was thinking along the lines of "I'll never be able to sell this while passing it of as my own work if you guys don't fix it for me!" :)

[15:42:41]

iamlindoro_:

er off

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Dagmar:

I'll be damned if I will deal with even one bug report resulting from short bus riders using that flag when they shouldn't.

[15:43:14]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Yeah but orko is in germany or something

[15:43:20]

Dagmar:

That other asshat from last week was in the US

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: I think I missed that one

[15:43:41]

Dagmar:

Mr "P2P recordings project but it's really legal and I'm trying to get VC money"

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Dagmar:

I came *very* close to "asking" him to go away and not come back

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, definitely wasn't reading when that happened

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iamlindoro_:

ohhhh wait was this the guy who wanted me to evaluate the feasibility of ad-hoc wireless connections to "untraceably" share recordings?

[15:44:56]

Dagmar:

LAst year some asshat started asking pointed questions about certain aspects of Dropline's customization, and it eventually became obvious that he was looking to take all the Dropline branding (what little there was) out of the GNOME packages we'd built so he could tell some library in France that *he* had done all that

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I dunno. Someone asking something like that would get a quick list of my consultancy fee schedule

[15:45:29]

iamlindoro_:

heh

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orko:

no matter where we asshats are from. we are users. and as users, i think, we can say our opinion. and with professionell i just meant that i like mythtv and it is better than almost all other dvr's (panasonic etc), but most of my friends refuse to use it because it does not feel as professional.

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Dagmar:

orko: They could stop using MythWelcome

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orko:

The progressbar even aappears then.

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iamlindoro_:

users don't get opinions in open-source projects :) Or, at least, their opinions don't mean a thing.

[15:46:21]

orko:

and mythwlecome is really cool.

[15:46:27]

mishehu:

hi guys, I'm not finding on goolge about this... I have mythbuntu 7.10 running myth 0.21. I have it set to send a52 out the spdif. music player in myth plays audio just fine, but the myth dvd player (internal) does not and isntead I get a pulsing sound.

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mishehu:

but xine plays the dvd's fine, and spits out the a52 directly through spdif

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Dagmar:

A screen with some text that effectively says "I am doing nothing useful right now" is cool?

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iamlindoro_:

oh well, good fun all around, I think I'll go enjoy RealLife (tm)

[15:47:29]

orko:

yes because it give you a good overview about what mythtv is doing and will do. Most other dvr only have this deep inside menu structure

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Dagmar:

That information doesn't lead to the user actually *doing* anything.

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kormoc:

orko, the problem is, it's non-trival to fix the scaling stuff. If you want it to be more 'adult', you can give your time to do it

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Dagmar:

...and for that matter, if you would simply look into _menu themes_ you would find that you can reorder the menus so that Information Center becomes a top-level menu

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kormoc:

orko, the most heard of short description of myth is, 'By developers, For developers'

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orko:

kormoc: i am not inside this, but for me it looks like it checks if theme is changed or resolution and then rescales. otherwise not.

[15:48:47]

Dagmar:

...and mythwelcome is kinda pointless.

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kormoc:

orko, that's correct, but in your case, something is wacky with your setup

[15:49:10]

orko:

Dagmar: but real users do not want to change things, they want to use.

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mishehu:

mythwelcome? what, something that says "Hello World" when you launch?

[15:49:18]

Dagmar:

So why would they care what MythWElcome has to say?

[15:49:37]

Dagmar:

"real users" want that top level menu first.

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orko:

kormoc: Thats what i am looking for. Help to find out what could be wacky.

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kormoc:

mishehu, a splash screen for myth

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mishehu:

kormoc: ah, pointless

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Dagmar:

There's nothing "wacky" abou tit

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mishehu:

imo

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Dagmar:

The frontend *always* redoes the theme cache every time.

[15:49:59]

kormoc:

orko, the simple way is to check your logs

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Dagmar:

It's prerendering menu stuff.

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kormoc:

Dagmar, it's not ment to do all the stuff like he's saying it is

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** GreyFoxx changes the prescaling wording to "Initializing Flux Capacitor" **

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orko:

Dagmar: mythwelcome in futre can be somtething like a dashboard and tell users about new recordings or that there are new movies with chuck norris etc.

[15:51:21]

orko:

thats why they like it

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orko:

kormoc: which log? i have only backend logs.

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Dagmar:

They like it because of something it might one day become?

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm I don't know if I've actually ever seen mythwelcome

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Dagmar:

Well, get cracking on writing that code, because I think you're full of that which makes the flowers grow.

[15:52:30]

kormoc:

orko, the frontend dumps to stdout, or you can give it a -l file.log, you might need to give it a different level, like -v most as well

[15:52:49]

orko:

Dagmar: they like it because they first thought it does all that stuff because it looked like this. but then get disaapointed but still like it because of the short summary it gives them.

[15:53:09]

orko:

kormoc: ok. i will have a look. thanks for the tip.

[15:53:14]

Dagmar:

Then you and your supposed friends should start wrting.

[15:53:59]

orko:

Dagmar: we do. right now we have some upnp shit so remotly control music and video via bluetooth mobiles .

[15:54:37]

kormoc:

upnp... bluetooth?

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kormoc:

well

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Dagmar:

Those don't have anything to do with mythfrontend

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kormoc:

remote upnp? that seems a tad... unsecure

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GreyFoxx:

orko: As for your original question. If the resolution is not one of the 2 dative res's (800x600) or 1280x720 it will go through the process. If it's done it once then you are not actually seeing it scale, it's just checking to see if it needs to rescale

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orko:

mythtv is unsecure at all.

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Dagmar:

...and it's going to do that every time.

[15:55:40]

orko:

i have a resolution of PAL. so thats the reason it rescales all the time? ;-(

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kormoc:

that's not rescaling, that's checking, a tad different

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Dagmar:

Of course, if you'd like to go into the code and implement a timestamp check, you're quite welcome to do so.

[15:56:14]

Dagmar:

...but I think you're just wanting to complain.

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orko:

kormoc: mythtv lacks control for children and stuff

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GreyFoxx:

If your X resolution isn't one of the two I just specificed then it will check every time. It''s wnot actually rescaling them each tiume

[15:56:33]

Dagmar:

Why would you have anything on the machine your children shouldn't watch?

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orko:

Dagmar: i do not want to complain. i am just a user searching for help to see if it possible to get rid of this progress bar.

[15:56:43]

kormoc:

orko, that's not security, and it does, recording groups can be password protected

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GreyFoxx:

And you can password protect videos in mythvideo

[15:57:07]

GreyFoxx:

I've never used any of that, but at least some of it's there

[15:57:23]

orko:

kormoc: Sorry . i did not see this. So this also prevents my chirldren from deleting my schd'eduled recordings?

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GreyFoxx:

no, only from access

[15:57:50]

GreyFoxx:

not from deleting a schedule entry

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kormoc:

orko, no, but you can setup the deleted sg and undelete ones you want to still watch

[15:58:00]

orko:

i have 4 peaple using my backend. i do not want them do be able to delete each others recordings.

[15:59:10]

orko:

Because there is no mecanism for this in mythtv i do not thing it is a problem that someone can connect via bluettoth and upnp and remote control my mythbox.

[15:59:21]

kormoc:

orko, well, it would prevent them from deleting other recordings if they have no access to them

[15:59:33]

orko:

he can only start playback of recordings video images etc.

[16:00:26]

orko:

like the simplecenter software.

[16:00:27]

kormoc:

well, you said remote, doesn't that mean via the internet?

[16:00:47]

orko:

kormoc: no, then i used the worng word.

[16:00:53]

kormoc:

cause typically that's non-local, and the idea of enabling your router to allow internet users to open ports seems a bit crappy

[16:00:57]

orko:

i thought remote like a infrared remote control.

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kormoc:

ooh, there's already projects that do that, tho their names escape me

[16:01:44]

orko:

when i sit in my kitchen i just use my mobile to start playing msuic from my mythbackend.

[16:03:10]

orko:

kormoc: Are there any plans in adding something like password protec recoding schedules etc?

[16:04:08]

riddlebox:

ok, where do I adjust the "over scan"? I have looked everywhere, and I couldnt find anything on google either

[16:04:23]

kormoc:

not really. People keep attempting it, but it's a ton of work to do in any real usable way

[16:04:27]

kormoc:

riddlebox, depends on your video card

[16:04:36]

jamesd:

orko, you have too many geeks in the house, if more than you can figure out how to change a recording schedule ;-)

[16:05:24]

orko:

kormoc: ok. i have an another question. is the nuv container able to split in two?

[16:05:39]

riddlebox:

kormoc, ohh ahaha I thought it was a feature in myth

[16:05:39]

kormoc:

orko, although, if I was wanting to have my shows record and yours not, and I can't delete your schedules, I'd just put mine at +99 priority, which would do bout the same thing

[16:05:58]

kormoc:

orko, via mythtranscode you could

[16:06:22]

riddlebox:

kormoc, the weird thing is that I have two cards, one card is perfect and the other card has a line accross the top when I view tv and videos

[16:06:38]

AndyCap:

so one would need user privilege levels as well. I.e. joe only gets pri 5 and adam only gets pri 3 and papa bear gets 9.

[16:06:39]

kormoc:

riddlebox, line of snowy garbage?

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riddlebox:

kormoc, its like a black line that flickers alot

[16:07:14]

riddlebox:

with some static in it

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kormoc:

try turning off vbi?

[16:07:29]

orko:

kormoc: its not about your shows recorded instead of mine. its about accidentally deleting your schedule. so that you daily soap is not reacorded at all. and not only this one time my recording should be more prior to yours.

[16:07:43]

riddlebox:

kormoc, where do I do that?

[16:07:51]

kormoc:

riddlebox, mythtv-setup

[16:07:59]

GreyFoxx:

how the heck does someone accidentally delte a schedule?

[16:08:06]

GreyFoxx:

You know if you are removing one or not

[16:08:23]

GreyFoxx:

you know if it's a recording you added or not (or you have memory problems and should seek medical attention)

[16:08:46]

riddlebox:

kormoc, I figured that much ;)

[16:09:05]

kormoc:

really, if folks in your house are that vindictive, you shouldn't let them on the box at all...

[16:09:44]

GreyFoxx:

If they are removing your schedule so that theirs will record instead then you need to buy more tuners :)

[16:09:49]

orko:

what if i have children. playing around? or if i want them to schedule their own recordinsg because i do not know what they like.

[16:10:08]

orko:

GreyFoxx: even then my recoring is deleted.

[16:10:23]

kormoc:

you can teach kids to not delete things...

[16:10:32]

orko:

kormoc: do you have kids?

[16:10:32]

GreyFoxx:

orko: If someone is removing something, teach them not too

[16:10:37]

GreyFoxx:

It doesn't accidentally happen

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kormoc:

that's the point of being a parent, teaching social acceptable limits...

[16:10:46]

GreyFoxx:

I teach my daughter not to touch the stove

[16:10:59]

GreyFoxx:

It's not like someone is making her go over and touch it

[16:11:09]

orko:

not touching a stove is a bit different to scheduling a recording.

[16:11:16]

kormoc:

orko, I do not, but I have worked with kids decently well enough, and not a single one has ever deleted anything of mine

[16:11:33]

kormoc:

orko, it's the same thing. they delete something on purpose, punish them

[16:11:38]

GreyFoxx:

learning to not do something you aren't suppose to shjouldn't be a huge challenge :)

[16:11:43]

kormoc:

if it's an accident, teach them not to do it

[16:12:02]

kormoc:

if they can schedule a recording, they can learn not to delete them

[16:12:05]

orko:

but if you can make mythtv recording schedule as easy as touchign a stove i would appreciate this

[16:12:30]

kormoc:

when watching a show, hit the record this button?

[16:12:50]

orko:

i can not watch shows in germany that are next week.

[16:13:07]

orko:

i am limited to watch what is shown right now;-(

[16:13:32]

kormoc:

you wouldn't touch a stove next week, you'd touch a stove right now

[16:13:35]

GreyFoxx:

how easy it is to add a schedule is not the point. It takes EFFORT to remove a schedule

[16:13:44]

kormoc:

simplicity has limits.

[16:13:44]

GreyFoxx:

So its not an accident

[16:13:53]

GreyFoxx:

If someone is doing it, they are doing it on purpose

[16:14:02]

GreyFoxx:

teach them why that is unacceptable

[16:14:27]

GreyFoxx:

This is a ridiculous conversation, and all its gonna do is make me pissy so I'll leave you too it :)

[16:14:48]

orko:

i stop this discussion here. i just wanted more usability. but its ok to keep mythtv a geek thing.

[16:15:24]

kormoc:

orko, patches are always welcome

[16:15:38]

kormoc:

well, money is always welcome as well

[16:16:18]

orko:

kormoc: patches will come. usability i hope will come too. but not with my patches;-)

[16:16:38]

orko:

i will add the possibility to cut recordings in two.

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kormoc:

why?

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iamlindoro:

'cause that's what *all* the l337 guys do!

[16:18:20]

orko:

I have the following problem: only one tv card. so recording two shows that follow up on the same channel is not possible by only mark them.

[16:18:42]

orko:

in germany i have to record 5 min before and 5 min after each show.

[16:18:59]

orko:

so mythtv declares the second show as not recordable because it confilcts with the first one.

[16:19:03]

orko:

thats ok.

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kormoc:

look at softpad

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kormoc:

way better then splitting recordings

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orko:

so i want to add that mythtv records both shows in one recording and then gives me the possibility to set a cut point. and make two recordinsg out of them

[16:20:18]

orko:

also mythtv then give me the possiblt titles so just just set a cut point and select from a list how each part should be titled.

[16:20:24]

kormoc:

that's what softpad does automatically, but it doesn't help when you have back to back shows on different channels

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orko:

whast softpad

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kormoc:

it takes that +/-5 min and puts it on both recordings

[16:20:44]

kormoc:

no manual splitting needed

[16:21:05]

orko:

kormoc: back to back on different channel is another problem. that i think can only be solved with using more cards.

[16:22:25]

orko:

Koffa: do you ahve a link?

[16:22:46]

orko:

kormoc: do you have a link?

[16:22:55]

davisc:

I have digital out to a stereo system – works fine for MythMusic and MythDVD with DTS but if I enable AC-3 passthrough, I just get back static. Anyone know if this is a problem with the receiver or MythTV/DVD setting?

[16:23:10]

kormoc:

orko, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/softpad

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Dagmar:

Weird. Mine always just ignored the pre-roll and post-roll times

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Dagmar:

I used to have mine set to start two minutes early and end two minutes late, and it would record back-to-back shows just fine

[16:27:06]

Aval0n:

davisc: because hdtv isn't putting through ac3

[16:27:10]

Aval0n:

I belive

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Aval0n:

I have the same issue

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kormoc:

yeah, but I think he's setting that in the recording schedules rather then in the pre/post roll global setting

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Aval0n:

I want to map a button to my remote that toggles ac3 passthrough

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: US digital broadcast *is* all AC3

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: ahh

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Aval0n:

duh, yeah cause it works ac3 to my reciever

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Aval0n:

just not my TV

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Aval0n:

cause it goes through hdmi to my TV

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kormoc:

you sure your tv can do ac3?

[16:29:04]

Aval0n:

no

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Aval0n:

it can not

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kormoc:

how are you piping in audio to the hdmi?

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Aval0n:

spdif

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davisc:

Aval0n: My reciever defintely can do AC3

[16:29:39]

Aval0n:

david: yeah play with your reciever settings

[16:29:44]

Aval0n:

it works to my receiver just not my tv

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Aval0n:

I get static

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davisc:

No settings on the receiver :-/

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Aval0n:

well, I got sound all day long with my analog stuff.. no ac3

[16:30:07]

Aval0n:

but when I play HDTV

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Aval0n:

I get static

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Aval0n:

on the TV via hdmi

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Aval0n:

davisc: there has to be

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orko:

kormoc: whats the difference between setting it in recoding schedule and in this pre/post roll settings?

[16:30:48]

orko:

Dagmar: but you have two recordings then , dont you?

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kormoc:

orko, pre/post can be ignored for conflict checking, recording schedule requires soft-pad

[16:31:47]

Dagmar:

Of course. There were two different shows

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orko:

Dagmar: the problem in germnay is that tv is not very exact so when then first recording ends with this +5min i have the beginning of the second in this recoding.

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goatmilk:

Looking for the opinions of some HDTV mythtv users in the US... would you say that the hardware support these days is pretty strong (pcHDTV/DVICO FusionHDTV/your brand in use)? I'm seeing a lot of older email logs where it looks dubious.

[16:32:43]

Dagmar:

So call them up and tell them that they're being "unprofessional" by not keeping to their posted broadcast schedule.

[16:32:52]

Dagmar:

See how well that works.

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orko:

Dagmar: i did and they told me to complain mythtv not being able to handle this,-)

[16:33:28]

Dagmar:

The broadcast medium is a mechanism for the delivery of commercials to viewers.

[16:33:40]

Dagmar:

It's _not_ a medium for transferring entertainment to hard drives.

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Dagmar:

orko: So download Dynebolic, boot it, and then cut the recordings any way you like

[16:35:20]

Dagmar:

It would likely be less work for the TV station to start adhering to their schedule than what it would take for Myth to actually stop assuming a 1:1 show to file ratio

[16:35:42]

Dagmar:

The progress bar thing you were complaining about earlier is truly trivial in comparison

[16:36:41]

orko:

Dagmar: i did not complain. i asked how can i prevent it. i did not they that you on mythtv should fix this.

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orko:

s/they/say

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Aval0n:

how can my TV play ATSC hdtv shows and play the audio just fine but not take an ac3 signal from my myth boxen

[16:37:59]

Aval0n:

are they also broadcasting 2-ch with ATSC ota?

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iamlindoro:

If they are, it's still 2 channel AC3

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iamlindoro:

And it's possible/probably that it can only interpret the AC3 signal into something it can play back via the tuner input

[16:39:26]

iamlindoro:

er probable

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: do you know a way to toggle ac3 through a script so I can map a button on the remote

[16:40:11]

iamlindoro:

Since the QAM/ATSC tuner chip they bought to put in their TV probably poops out something simple like 2 channel PCM

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Nope, AFAIK there would be no way to do that

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Aval0n:

=/

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TXusg990a:

has anyone had success at capturing via firewire on a diskless system (i.e. record firewire to nfs drive)?

[16:40:58]

Aval0n:

just seems weird that you can toggle it through the FE but not the remote

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: because you are togling it *outside* of playback

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iamlindoro:

er toggling

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kormoc:

Aval0n, run mythcontrol and set it in there?

[16:41:28]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: yeah that's all I wanna do

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Aval0n:

I don't wanna toggle it while a show is playing

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Aval0n:

but like if I'm in the video menu and I know I'm going to be watching a movie

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kormoc:

TXusg990a, there's not a problem doing that

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Aval0n:

I would like to hit a button to toggle it on

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Well, I suppose there are a number of ways to do it so long as you don't expect the toggle to take effect whilst watching TV

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Aval0n:

no

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Aval0n:

it's for my wife

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TXusg990a:

kormoc: thanks. I am about to get a firewire enabled stb but was not sure if the network could handle. thanks

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Aval0n:

so if she fires up HDTV and hear static

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Aval0n:

she can hit preivous

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iamlindoro:

do as kormoc suggests, or write a script to switch the db values, either way it would work

[16:42:37]

Aval0n:

then toggle ac3 button

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Aval0n:

then go back into it

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Aval0n:

mythcontrol

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Aval0n:

can that run while in mythtv?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, would need to sent the frontend a CACHE_CLEAR command if you do that via the db

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iamlindoro:

yup

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Aval0n:

and is it menudriven?

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kormoc:

Aval0n, it's a myth plugin to handle remote control programming

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Aval0n:

oh ok

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roland_:

hi there

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TXusg990a:

one other firwire ? with an STB would it be safe to assume that so long as the channel is not tagged 5C (cable) that firewire should be able to output?

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TXusg990a:

i.e. even digital channels

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kormoc:

safe? no. sometimes? sure

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roland_:

i looked for the Net the whole week to solve my problem

[16:45:28]

kormoc:

it all depends on the programming on the box

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TXusg990a:

thanks... I guess I'll just have to hook it up and see

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roland_:

when i Start my frontend of mythtv

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kormoc:

roland_, congrats, you found the net

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roland_:

i always get the message "your client is running version 40 but the server runs on 31

[16:46:26]

roland_:

???

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kormoc:

roland_, upgrade your mythbackend

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iamlindoro:

so your server is .20 and your client is .21. Fix it.

[16:46:51]

kormoc:

roland_, mythfrontend and mythbackend is required to be the same version

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roland_:

but i installed both the same way....

[16:47:30]

** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

talk to the provider of your packages

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roland_:

i have installed ubuntu 7.10 on both computers and installed Mythtv via apt-get

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you have backports enabled on one (the frontend) and not on the other (the backend)

[16:49:27]

** iamlindoro takes the dog to the park before he gets dragged into fixing this **

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roland_:

2008-03–30 18:48:56.282 Protocol version mismatch (frontend=40,backend=31)

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roland_:

is this a message from mythtv or from mysql ?

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kormoc:

mythtv

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roland_:

can i downgrade it?

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kormoc:

talk to the ubuntu team

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kormoc:

they control how the packages work and they'd know better how to fix

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roland_:

ok

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roland_:

thanks a lot

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TXusg990a:

what would be the quality hit (rough guess) of going from digital cable channel to analog output to PVR-150? best guess in terms of %

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kormoc:

depends on what you mean

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kormoc:

hd doesn't go at all

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kormoc:

sd, depends on the noise on the line and your recording settings

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TXusg990a:

for example if I tune an SD digital channel through an STB and output to PVR-150 via Composite? (Assume perfect signal quality for the sake of argument)

[17:00:37]

TXusg990a:

setting PVR-150 to max bitratwe

[17:00:42]

TXusg990a:

bitrate

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kormoc:

as good as it's displayed on the tv

[17:01:10]

TXusg990a:

thanks. Just thinking of possible configurations

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Dagmar:

*Max* bitrate would be overkill

[17:01:39]

Dagmar:

That would mean you might as well just be dumping raw frames to disk, and you wasted your money buying a PVR-150

[17:01:55]

TXusg990a:

true, what is the equivalent bitrate (if it can be compared) of an analog cable channel

[17:02:06]

kormoc:

all depends on your eyes

[17:02:13]

kormoc:

I like 3300

[17:02:31]

Dagmar:

Generally the defaults Myth uses are really, really fine

[17:02:36]

kormoc:

but that's only cause I have a hdtv, pre hdtv, I was 2200

[17:02:52]

kormoc:

when I was using myth in a window, 600 was fine

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TXusg990a:

Thanks. I already have a PVR-150 which is recording analog now but considering moving up to an HD STB w/ firewire. Just curious on the options to record

[17:03:31]

Dagmar:

The bitrate is also _post_ compression afaik

[17:03:51]

kormoc:

Dagmar, no it's the amount of compression

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Dagmar:

Oh you'd just be wasting your damn money if you tried to run an HD output into the PVR-150

[17:04:08]

kormoc:

it's sent to the card to do, not afterwards

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TXusg990a:

that I figured. More so I was looking at recording of digital SD channels via the 150

[17:04:42]

TXusg990a:

just trying to keep from retiring the card... at least still get some use out of it

[17:05:24]

Dagmar:

Sell it to someone else.

[17:06:20]

TXusg990a:

here's a stupid ? If I were to use an STB to tune an HD channel and output via RF to 150, would the 150 be able to capture (other than noise) or is it limited by frame size?

[17:06:29]

TXusg990a:

asking just for grins

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Dagmar:

Would it be able to capture what?

[17:06:52]

Dagmar:

You're limimted by whatever NTSC or PAL can do

[17:07:08]

Dagmar:

You'd still only have ~525 scan lines

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TXusg990a:

the actual HD content... since (if I understand correctly), the STB would already decode and just output the raw data

[17:07:38]

Dagmar:

You'd be downconverting to SD with no utility added at all

[17:07:51]

TXusg990a:

good point... I didn't think about the limitations of the chipset on the 150

[17:08:02]

Dagmar:

Are you even reading what I'm typing?

[17:08:09]

Dagmar:

It's not the "limitations of the 150"

[17:08:21]

Dagmar:

It's the freaking broadcast medium that's the issue.

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TXusg990a:

sounds like firewire will be the best way to go since I should be able to get anything not tagged with 5C (in a perfect world)

[17:08:42]

Dagmar:

NTSC or PAL. There's only so much bandwidth (ie. "detail") that you can cram into either of them, period.

[17:09:08]

Dagmar:

If you can get firewire to "go", go for it.

[17:09:29]

TXusg990a:

thanks for the feedback.

[17:10:29]

Dagmar:

As much as I like being completely legal, when I'm forced to go firewire here, I'll probably break some laws so violently they _will_ make a noise.

[17:10:51]

Dagmar:

...and if I'm ever called on it, I'll dare a judge to show where I've actually done anything more serious than create some annoying paperwork.

[17:11:28]

Dagmar:

s/firewire/digital/;

[17:11:49]

Dagmar:

I got no problem with using a softcam, naughty as that might be, just to watch what I've paid to be able to watch.

[17:12:20]

Dagmar:

That 5C stuff really, _really_ pisses me off because of the way they've arranged things.

[17:12:57]

Dagmar:

It permanently adds an extra cost, to the consumer, at no benefit to them.

[17:13:08]

Dagmar:

It only benefits the broadcasters.

[17:13:20]

Dagmar:

Frankly, if they're the ones recieving the benefit, they're the ones who should get to foot the bill.

[17:13:45]

TXusg990a:

I agree. I doubt it will be too long before some one breaks the encryption (DMCA not withstanding)

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Dagmar:

If they did that and then turned right around and worked it into the licencing fee cost to cable/sat consumers, it would provide them the same protections, but it would not do what it is currently doing which is what they really want.

[17:14:19]

Dagmar:

A _monopoly_ on playback equipment.

[17:14:45]

flathm:

hey everyone... since upgrading to 0.21 I'm having audio synchronization issues... anyone else experiencing this?

[17:14:49]

Aval0n:

anyone know an options to pass in xorg that might help? I just parsed my edid.bin and I'm trying to set rexs to 1080i

[17:15:01]

Aval0n:

I used to values from the edid to create 1920x1080@60i

[17:15:18]

Aval0n:

but it always says no valid modes in Xorg.0.log

[17:15:25]

Aval0n:

nvidia driver

[17:15:39]

Aval0n:

Modeline "1920x1080@60i" 77.60 1920 1952 2240 2272 1080 1104 1110 1135 interlace

[17:15:45]

Aval0n:

that's the modeline I'm trying to run with

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TXusg990a:

AvalOn: what are you outputting to? Most monitors won't do exact 1920x1080... it usually off by a little (1900 x 1080, etc). Which Nvidia?

[17:22:43]

Dagmar:

Both of those are divisible by 8, so in theory it shoudl be doable.

[17:22:47]

Dagmar:

I just ain't gettin' involved in it.

[17:23:02]

Dagmar:

Anything involving diddling edid.bin with an nVidia card is probably the wrong answer.

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Dagmar:

Generally, Xorg.0.log tells _exactly_ what went wrong.

[17:24:09]

Dagmar:

People are just too lazy to read it.

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PatrickDK:

lazy? never!

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flathm:

hey anyone here know anything about audio synchronization issues and mythtv? Since upgrading to 0.21 all shows (recordings, live tv, and even dvds and videos with the Internal player) go out of sync ever so slowly... like about 100ms an hour.

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roland_:

wow

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roland_:

now i have downgraded my mythtv-frontend to the same version

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roland_:

if i start now, there comes.....

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roland_:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.2.102' (using password: YES)

[17:36:30]

roland_:

where can i change the IP-Adress

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roland_:

master-backend is on IP 192.168.2.100

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Gunirus:

Hi :)

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roland_:

no one?

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Yahooadam:

im having a problem with tv_grab_uk_rt / mythfilldatabase

[17:38:52]

Yahooadam:

Updated programs: 0 Unchanged programs: 10465

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Yahooadam:

http://pastebin.com/d2f5b3646

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Justin__:

roland_: its like the first option in the general setup

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roland_:

i have entered the master backends IP in the generell setup

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roland_:

but it dosent work :-(

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roland_:

I Think it's a mysql message

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fryfrog:

make sure your mysql.txt is correct

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fryfrog:

make sure the master backend ip is correct in mysql

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fryfrog:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.2.102' (using password: YES) <-- is telling you that it is trying to connect to mysql, not the backende

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shiznix:

roland_: see here for setting up database privileges -> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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Yahooadam:

grrr, bloody xmltv

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quink_:

hello. I'm having some issues. Upgraded my kernel, nvidia-drivers, and mythtv all at once. When I get myth back up, things work fine except the video is a little 'wavy' and 'flashy' to explain it as best I can

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quink_:

any ideas as to where I start figuring that out?

[19:04:38]

kormoc:

change the video playback style?

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sphery:

quink_: Change the playback profile to Slim (for no XvMC) or CPU-- (for XvMC).

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quink_:

sphery: it does it on all screens.

[19:09:00]

quink_:

just sitting there on the main page

[19:09:02]

Aval0n:

quink_: I just upgraded to current nvidia driver

[19:09:05]

Aval0n:

getting same thing

[19:09:19]

sphery:

sounds like time for a downgrade of NVIDIA drivers... :)

[19:09:23]

quink_:

sphery: do those profiles control the display at all times?

[19:09:41]

Aval0n:

what's the most recent known good nvidia driver release?

[19:09:42]

Aval0n:

:P

[19:09:50]

quink_:

Aval0n: I can tell you the last one I was using.

[19:10:00]

Aval0n:

mine was like 100.xx

[19:10:05]

Aval0n:

upgraded to 169.00

[19:10:06]

Aval0n:

lol

[19:10:13]

sphery:

I'm using 1.0–9755

[19:10:20]

iamlindoro_:

169.12 is fine unless you want to use the openGL renderer, in which case use 100.14.11

[19:10:49]

quink_:

nvidia-drivers-100.14.19

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sphery:

Though others have had success with 100.xx and above, I never upgraded because 9755 worked fine and I heard a /lot/ of problems with later releases.

[19:10:57]

iamlindoro_:

100.14.19 was a mess

[19:11:00]

quink_:

nvidia-drivers-169.09-r1 is what i'm on now

[19:11:27]

iamlindoro_:

169.09 works fine so long as you use xv-blit

[19:11:29]

Huijari:

why the hell can't i connect to my backend from the host the backend is running on? i can connect from my laptop just fine <_<

[19:11:30]

quink_:

*all* the video card on this computer is used for is mythtv. So i don't care if it plays games or whatever

[19:11:34]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: would 100.14.11 be better than 9755?

[19:11:35]

quink_:

iamlindoro_: xv-blit?

[19:11:39]

Huijari:

it worked fine before reboot

[19:12:07]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: ya know, I realy don't know about the differences between the last legacy drivers and the first of the "glx-new" drivers-- I'm not too sure

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iamlindoro_:

quink_: yes, mythtv's xv-blit video renderer

[19:12:31]

sphery:

OK. Thanks. I was just curious and you seemed to know your driver versions. :)

[19:12:42]

quink_:

iamlindoro_: i mean I have no clue as to waht you mean.

[19:12:44]

sphery:

quink_: = Xv

[19:12:52]

sphery:

Versus OpenGL

[19:13:02]

quink_:

Last time i used XV i had more issues. but that was ~1 year ago

[19:13:13]

sphery:

You really want Xv, though, since OpenGL is not really supported in 0.21-fixes.

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quink_:

ok. How do i go about doing it?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I just know that after 100.14.11, using opengl-video in myth is trouble, and that xv-blit is broken from 100.14.19 – 167.07 IIRC

[19:13:42]

quink_:

Is it a compile option of a config option?

[19:14:07]

kormoc:

quink_, as I said, change the playback profile :P

[19:14:11]

sphery:

quink_: it's pretty much the default (and has been for ages) for video output in X

[19:14:43]

quink_:

kormoc: yeah I wasn't clear about that. Since the problem isn't with video playback, but just the mythtv screen

[19:15:05]

kormoc:

quink_, ooh, change the painter from opengl to qt then

[19:15:06]

sphery:

quink_: So, downgrade to the appropriate driver version to get the menus working, then choose Slim playback profile for Xv (CPU decoding) or CPU-- for XvMC (using the video card).

[19:15:18]

iamlindoro_:

quink_: what does output look like w/o myth running, ie in straight x.org?

[19:15:34]

quink_:

i believe it looks fine. Let me give that a go. Brb

[19:15:58]

quink_:

oh. and I looked at the compile options. I don't have 'xvmc' enabled

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iamlindoro_:

!trout XvMC

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** MythLogBot slaps XvMC with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

[19:16:30]

sphery:

I agree iamlindoro_ .

[19:16:33]

iamlindoro_:

heh

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quink_:

at least in gentoo i don't have 'xvmc' or 'opengl-xvmc' enabled

[19:16:43]

sphery:

I don't think Intel's new one will be any better, either.

[19:17:01]

sphery:

You definitely don't want opengl-xvmc

[19:17:11]

sphery:

If you don't need XvMC, you're better off without it.

[19:17:24]

quink_:

So recompile with xvmc, change the painter to Qt, and change the playback profiles to cpu--

[19:17:25]

sphery:

You don't need it if you can play back your videos with Xv.

[19:17:40]

quink_:

wait. Xv != xvmc?

[19:17:45]

iamlindoro_:

correct

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quink_:

I thought it was jsut shorthand.

[19:18:08]

iamlindoro_:

narp

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sphery:

Xv = X Windows Video extension. XvMC = X Video Motion Compensation (= offloading some of the decoding to the video card)

[19:18:11]

quink_:

heh

[19:18:30]

quink_:

Okay. Then i'll give that all a try, sans xvmc stuff and see what happens.

[19:18:32]

quink_:

be back in a bit.

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sphery:

Xv = X Video = good

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quink_:

is 'xv' a compile option?

[19:18:45]

sphery:

nope

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quink_:

ok

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sphery:

will be there and usable if your driver supports Xv. The NVIDIA drivers do.

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sphery:

quink_: So, instead of CPU--, you should probably choose Slim for the playback profile.

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iamlindoro_:

Grrrr, I get SciFi HD on the 15th, just in time to miss the first two episodes of Galactica in HD

[19:22:34]

justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . asswide2.png and http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . asswide1.png – it's now real, not mockups :) I can't go on using it the way it sucks now

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quink_:

sphery: why slim instead of --?

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justinh:

er.. the way it sucked when I released it :)

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: In fairness, it sucked its way onto all my boxes ;)

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quink_:

yeah things are still 'bouncy' on the mythtv screens

[19:27:59]

quink_:

video has been playing fien though

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sphery:

quink_: CPU-- is XvMC. Slim is Xv.

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quink_:

i'm on slim

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quink_:

I tried them both. slim seems nicer

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kormoc:

did you change the painter?

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quink_:

yep

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quink_:

it was on Qt.

[19:29:25]

sphery:

quink_: What's your display device? Standard-def TV?

[19:29:35]

quink_:

Rear projection tv, connected via dvi

[19:29:41]

quink_:

its a first gen 'hi-def' system

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quink_:

1080i

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sphery:

and you're sending it a 1080i signal?

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kormoc:

are you sending it a interlaced signal or a progressive one?

[19:30:28]

sphery:

a 1920x540 progressive signal might get rid of the bounce...

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Aval0n:

omfg

[19:30:51]

sphery:

Or 720p in the videos.

[19:30:53]

Aval0n:

my plasma just died

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quink_:

What I don't get is it worked fine before.

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sphery:

I mean 720p in the GUI menus

[19:31:11]

quink_:

Let me play around with X settings. This tv set needed weird stuff to get it going

[19:31:17]

quink_:

i had to send a 1280x720 signal

[19:31:23]

** kormoc blinks **

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sphery:

(though 720p depends on your TV's scaler/interlacer to do its job right)

[19:31:26]

quink_:

yeah.

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Aval0n:

omg

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Aval0n:

I've had this peice of shit worked on like 5 times

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quink_:

If i sent more it wouldn't work. If i sent '1080i' it didn't work any better.

[19:31:58]

Aval0n:

they just replaced the WHOLE panel last week

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Aval0n:

and now it's more fucked up than I've ever seen it before

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sphery:

Aval0n: what brand?

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quink_:

What is the proper way to do 1080i?

[19:32:13]

Aval0n:

samsung

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Aval0n:

quink_: get your edid.bin parse it

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Aval0n:

and use those timings

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kormoc:

Aval0n, that's what you get for handling high energy quantum state matter.

[19:33:03]

iamlindoro_:

I think the proper way to do 1080i is on a 1080p panel :)

[19:33:03]

** Aval0n blink **

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sphery:

Yeah. I have a Samsung DLP and they had to replace the entire light engine (where a DLP is basically a light engine and a piece of glass for the screen) 3 months after the 1-year warranty expired.

[19:33:21]

sphery:

Fortunately, I was able to convince them to do it under warranty, though.

[19:33:22]

Aval0n:

I'm so fucking pissed

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kormoc:

I've had really good luck with my samsung monitors/tvs

[19:33:37]

Aval0n:

my shit is out of warranty as of last repair

[19:33:41]

quink_:

Aval0n: how?

[19:33:46]

Aval0n:

I think they have a 30 day grace window though

[19:33:57]

Aval0n:

quink_: use nvidia-settings to get your edid.bin

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Aval0n:

then parse it

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Aval0n:

with parse-edid

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Aval0n:

and you can see the timings there

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Aval0n:

and what is supported

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sphery:

kormoc: Yeah. I'm overall quite pleased, but the TV I got uses a bad design for the light engine. I'd have been better off waiting for 2nd or 3rd gen 1080p DLP's.

[19:34:30]

Aval0n:

I'll never buy another plasma TV

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sphery:

Oh, yeah. I will never do plasma.

[19:34:51]

Huijari:

lol, my "lo" network interface was down on the backend machine

[19:34:58]

Huijari:

that explains quite a bit

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quink_:

Aval0n: its all CLI?

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sphery:

Your backend was on the lo down?

[19:35:18]

kormoc:

Work's plasma has such bad burn-in, I'd never buy one

[19:35:33]

Aval0n:

quink you need to be in X for nvidia-settings

[19:35:36]

Aval0n:

it's menu driven

[19:35:50]

Aval0n:

too bad LCD sucks too

[19:35:51]

sphery:

Yeah. All the plasmas I've ever seen get burn-in quickly--even the ones that "have the burn-in problem solved"

[19:35:58]

Aval0n:

I can't stand the white light in the blacks with LCD

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sphery:

Aval0n: SED

[19:36:08]

sphery:

But, some stupid patent killed that one...

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quink_:

sphery: SED is a dream

[19:36:11]

Aval0n:

I never had a problem with burn-in but still..

[19:36:12]

Aval0n:

SED?

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justinh:

I've seen burnin first hand on a plasma – took projectgrayhem-wide about 15 minutes

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kormoc:

my lcd's blacks are so dark I can't tell if it's on or not

[19:36:39]

Aval0n:

you don't get plasma burn-in after 15 minutes

[19:36:40]

sphery:

Surface-conduction Electron-emission Display.

[19:36:40]

kormoc:

took about 2 months on work's plasma

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Aval0n:

unless it's a shitty plasma

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sphery:

Aval0n: SED is CRT tech (and all it's benefits) with LCD-style.

[19:37:04]

Aval0n:

hmm

[19:37:06]

Aval0n:

interesting

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Aval0n:

sphery: very expensive i'm guessing

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xand:

CRT has benefits? :P

[19:37:34]

Aval0n:

yeah...

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Aval0n:

refresh rates

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sphery:

2 glass plates--one phospor coated--separated by nanometers so the electron barely has to jump, meaning it's about 1/3 the power usage of LCD, but has the brightness and viewing angle of CRT.

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kormoc:

refresh rates > 60 is useless imho

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sphery:

xand: CRT has a lot of benefits. Color reproduction is /much/ better than LCD. Brightness. Viewing angle. It's a transmissive display, so it doesn't loose brightness.

[19:39:00]

xand:

kormoc: not on a CRT

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kormoc:

xand, I could never tell a difference

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sphery:

Aval0n: The problem with SED, though, is that some tiny little company sued Canon and basically, Canon can't release it. It should have been out last year.

[19:39:33]

xand:

if it's a static image, < 85Hz = flicker-tastic

[19:39:48]

sphery:

NED has a better chance (it uses carbon nanotubes), though I haven't heard much about it lately.

[19:40:09]

kormoc:

oled is making progress

[19:40:19]

quink_:

how the hell do you use get-edid/parse-edid

[19:40:29]

Aval0n:

google

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sphery:

kormoc: OLED's been making progress for 10 years, now. Are they up to 4" screens, yet? :)

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Aval0n:

quicksilver: you use nvidia-settings to get the edid

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Aval0n:

and parse-edid from the command line

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sphery:

quink_: Note, also, that the NVIDIA drivers actually read the EDID

[19:41:07]

kormoc:

sphery, I've seen reports on 12" screens from tech shows, but pricey out the wazoo

[19:41:09]

quink_:

yeah get-edid just outputs shit to the screen

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sphery:

Also, my TV lies in it's EDID.

[19:41:31]

sphery:

kormoc: That's not bad. 12" is getting to laptop screen size.

[19:41:52]

Aval0n:

yeah I know my TV will do 1080i@120hz

[19:41:53]

kormoc:

my tv's manual actually listed it's timings for the dvi input and hdmi inputs and all that, it was snazzy

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quink_:

sphery: i think mine does too

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kormoc:

but I was sad when I found out that it overscans the hdmi input

[19:42:28]

Aval0n:

this shit would have to die on a sunday where I can't even call them.

[19:43:14]

psymin:

so,when I scan for channels, my pchdtv card returns channels that I assume are analog?

[19:43:33]

sphery:

chances are if you don't get the right settings with X's autodetection, the EDID is giving bad info (i.e. assuming you're a Windows user who needs a computer-monitor-like 4:3 screen with underscan)

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sphery:

that's exactly what mine does. It's a 1080p display that asks for 1280x1024.

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quink_:

"KP65WS500"

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quink_:

ops.

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sphery:

Hmmm. Wikipedia's Comparison of display technology ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_display_technology ) shows a lot of "same-old" and of the "future" techs, I like SED the best... Stupid Nano-Proprietary...

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iamlindoro:

Unless it can replicate the high-pitched mind-numbing whine of CRT, I want nothing to do with it

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iamlindoro:

;)

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roland_:

i can't set a tv card with mythtv-setup

[19:49:47]

roland_:

when i select a card and press ok there is still no card in the list

[19:50:10]

quink_:

how do i output what resolution, etc that X is currently displaying from the command line?

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iamlindoro:

cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep -i "Setting mode"

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: can you used xvmc on mkv files to take load off the cpu?

[19:51:44]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: not unless the video codec is mpeg-2

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Aval0n:

ah opk

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iamlindoro:

XvMC = acceleration of tiny bits of MPEG-2 only

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quink_:

btw iamlindoro don't need to cat in order to grep. just grep "whatever" filename

[19:52:39]

kormoc:

motion correction even

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sphery:

where acceleration simply means offloading from the CPU to the GPU.

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iamlindoro:

quink_: There are a thousand ways to do it, and I hardly need a lesson from the person asking for help

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sphery:

quink_: cat something | grep "whatever" is easier if you want to try several "whatevers"

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quink_:

iamlindoro: just makes most sense to not initiate another program just to grep something.

[19:54:04]

quink_:

and the fact that i'm asking a question does not invalidate any knowledge I have.

[19:54:36]

iamlindoro:

and my answering one is not an invitation to spout irrelevant information to me

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kormoc:

I cat something to put it into filesystem cache and then grep the memory address for my strings

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roland_:

why i can't add a captured card?

[19:58:56]

roland_:

the card is shown in the list

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roland_:

when i select it and press enter

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roland_:

i return tu the tv-card selection menue but there is no card

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roland_:

?

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cesman:

roland_: check the xterm mythtv-setup is running from

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iamlindoro:

sphery: So why the poor outlook for VAAPI, anyway?

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HEP85:

How do I fix the EPG data? It got a one hour delay because of the change to daylight saving time

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HEP85:

hi?

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roland_:

it says "Driver error was [2/1054]"

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cesman:

roland_: don't know what that means...

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cesman:

roland_: what tuner is it?

[20:06:33]

HEP85:

Does anybody know how to fix up the DST time change in the EPG?

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kormoc:

HEP85, if people know, they'd answer. This isn't verbal, repeating yourself doesn't cause people to hear you better...

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HEP85:

Sorry. I was just wondering because I am clearly not the only person in the world where the time did change last night

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mishehu:

I don't even know what EPG is

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kormoc:

enhanced programing guide

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HEP85:

Eletronic Program Guide

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kormoc:

the onscreen guide

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HEP85:

yes

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mishehu:

glibc timezone?

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HEP85:

sorry?

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mishehu:

last time I remember an issue iwth DST was in qt

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HEP85:

Yes I googled it, but those posts are three years old

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mishehu:

indeed

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mishehu:

is the system time correct?

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HEP85:

yes. the onscreen display shows the correct time

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jackson:

HEP85, did you have to manualy adjust your system time to compensate for DST?

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HEP85:

no. I didn't do anything. I think the ntpd did it automatically

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kormoc:

you might need to run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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kormoc:

depending on where you get your listings from, they could have actually loaded with the wrong times

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HEP85:

kormoc: thx. I will try it

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HEP85:

do I have to stop the backend to run the command?

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jackson:

HEP85, what I was fishing for was if you have the correct localtime zone file installed and your system clock refering to it correctly.

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wibbit:

Ello all

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wibbit:

I just spotted "freesat" on the web, and a mention of it on the bbc hd data, any one know mucha bout it?

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HEP85:

jackson: how can I check that. I only know that I selected the timezone when I installed my distro

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stuarta:

wibbit: what do you want to know

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wibbit:

stuarta: thoughts an impressions I guess,

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jackson:

HEP85, depends on yout distro. for me, I take a copy of or symlink /usr/share/zoneinfo to /etc/localtime

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stuarta:

it's basically freeview delivered via satellite

[20:15:50]

wibbit:

Any idea when it may be due out?

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quink:

well I have 1080i working now, i think

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stuarta:

wibbit: it's up and running now

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wibbit:

Oh!

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wibbit:

Used it?

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stuarta:

nope

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** stuarta adds a dvb-s card to his wishlist **

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jackson:

HEP85, then in my /etc/conf.d/clock script, I instruct it to use the appropriate timezone. You'll need to refer to your distro's documentation regarding timezones etc.

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wibbit:

stuarta: don't you need a satalite receiver as well? :)

[20:17:36]

stuarta:

nope

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stuarta:

well the offcial way uses a STB

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stuarta:

but you get much the same with a dvb-s card and a dish pointed the right way

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wibbit:

eh? It only needs a traditional arial?

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stuarta:

satellite = dish

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wibbit:

stuarta: uhu...

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stuarta:

ie. a $ky dish on the side of the house

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stuarta:

dvb-t uses a normal ariel

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stuarta:

dvb-s uses a dish

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wibbit:

Right, but you'd need one, correct? Hence, my statement that you'd need a dish as well as a dvb-s card :)

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stuarta:

ah, you said reciever ie. STB

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wibbit:

for me the received bit was the dish, hehe forgot the word "dish" momentarily

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quink:

the problem seems to go away except for in certain menu screens with lines. the lines just flicker...like it might be a refresh rate problem

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wibbit:

stuarta: is it liable to be "easy" to get freesat working with mythtv?

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ajh:

so, google has failed me, the commfree tag in the channel editor, I'm going to assume if you check that the commercial flagger won't run on that channel?

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justinh:

myers

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justinh:

wibbit: yes

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ajh:

Would that be correct?

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justinh:

wibbit: freesat meaning not freesat from Sky. As in FTA, not FTV

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justinh:

ajh: yes

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janneg:

ajh: yes

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ajh:

justinh, ok thanks, doesn't seem to be documented anywhere :)

[20:23:31]

ajh:

a couple mouse-overs might help :)

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wibbit:

I was thinking this http://www.freesat.co.uk/home.php

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justinh:

mouse overs? pfft

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justinh:

maybe in mythweb

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ajh:

perhaps a help screen if you hit 'info' :)

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ajh:

yes, it was in mythweb I was referring to.

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justinh:

ajh: the code is all there

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ajh:

justinh, so ideas are not wanted?

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ajh:

Usually I prefer to discuss an idea and see if people agree before investing time in making it work.

[20:25:08]

justinh:

ideas are all well & good but people don't often think about them for more than 10 seconds before giving their pitch

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ajh:

though, right now I need to go make it stop trying to skip random stuff in the middle of movies. :)

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justinh:

I mean – the form suggestions tend to take is "don't do it that way – it sucks"

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ajh:

That's not useful, eventually I'll try to do some mockups of what I think might make it easier. Just in the middle of crazy work right now. :)

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kormoc:

mockups for mythweb are rather useless

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kormoc:

it's easier to just write the patch

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kormoc:

(for popups at least)

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ajh:

yeah, I mean a little bit more invasive stuff :)

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odz:

running mythtv-setup i get "card 1 is set to start on channel Please add, which does not exist," how do i fix this??

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ajh:

odz, you set the starting channel to one that exists.

[20:27:35]

odz:

where do i change that?

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kormoc:

mythtv-setup, card setup

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kormoc:

where it has starting channel

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janneg:

ajh: I'm not sure if mythweb's channel setup page is up-to-date.

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hobbynutte:

can i manually autoexpire ?

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NefariousAryq:

Hey guys and gals have a question... Just installed Myth on Slackware. ivtv, lirc, all the needed stuff, works great. I have a pvr-150. My remote control works outside of myth, but not inside. "irw" shows that the keys are being pushed and stuff, but Myth itself doesnt respond to anything. Any thoughts?

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janneg:

odz: mythtv-setup -> input connections

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ajh:

janneg, everything I've done with it so far seems to have worked.

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hobbynutte:

mythtv does it not often enough, hdd often gets full

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kormoc:

hobbynutte, you can set the auto-expire amount higher then the default

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GreyFoxx:

NefariousAryq: Did you compile myth with support for it ?

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kormoc:

NefariousAryq, did you create a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file and set that up?

[20:29:14]

GreyFoxx:

and you need to create a ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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hobbynutte:

kormoc, which 'amount'? how often it actuaaly does the autoexpire ?

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directhex:

why does mythtv not use ~/.lircrc, out of interest?

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directhex:

like every other lirc-aware app ever?

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janneg:

ajh: yeah, but commfree might not work. it's now possible to set the commdetection method for each channel individually

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GreyFoxx:

dunno

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kormoc:

hobbynutte, every 60 seconds iirc, and there's a setting to say when the free space gets below x, expire

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GreyFoxx:

but I just symlink ~/.lirc to the myth one

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kormoc:

hobbynutte, so set that amount higher

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hobbynutte:

nah its get full till 0 free

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NefariousAryq:

Yeah, I used my properly working .lircrc file from mythdora... and its in the proper place(s).

[20:30:30]

hobbynutte:

i nedd it just to do the actually deleting more often

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quink:

Is the Internal mythvideo player up to par for doing most formats and hi-def videos?

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GreyFoxx:

quicksilver: I use it for everything

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directhex:

quink, is your cpu up to par for doing most formats and hi-def videos?

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janneg:

kormoc: you need auto-expireable recordings for that

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GreyFoxx:

there is no commong format/codec it wont do

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hobbynutte:

had this 5 min ago, now i have again 2,9 G free... its just too slow in deleting

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quink:

directhex: works fine in xine

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NefariousAryq:

I didnt actually set the compile options, I used a SlackBuild from sLackbuilds.org... Is there a quick and easy way I can see if myth was compiled with lirc support?

[20:31:17]

kormoc:

hobbynutte, so patch the source

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GreyFoxx:

NefariousAryq: mythfrontend --version

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quink:

I've been using xine for years just wondeirng if its time to switch to Internal

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hobbynutte:

kormoc, i love this answers

[20:31:30]

stuarta:

hmpf. why won't my slave backend tuners become available.

[20:31:36]

hobbynutte:

but thx anyway

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** stuarta applies trout **

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NefariousAryq:

Looks like thats my problem... should I see something that says "using_lirc", or something of the sort? I dont see anything related to lirc.

[20:32:22]

quink:

Well 99% of the problem is fixed. The rest i'll deal with later.

[20:32:30]

kormoc:

hobbynutte, what answer do you want? there's no reason you can't set it to keep more min space free if you need it

[20:32:49]

GreyFoxx:

NefariousAryq: yeah you should see just that

[20:33:16]

NefariousAryq:

OK, i'll re-compile after editing the slackbuild script to support lirc... thanks much, that'll work perfectly!

[20:33:22]

NefariousAryq:

Appreciate it. :)

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GreyFoxx:

np :)

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hobbynutte:

kormoc, i hoped there is a setting how often it checks for free space, but that helps me too (it was also some kind oft interest wether it exists, so i dont moan here around, so your answer was just bs)

[20:34:11]

GreyFoxx:

never saw slackbuilds.org before

[20:34:15]

GreyFoxx:

I'll have to check that out :)

[20:34:50]

NefariousAryq:

Grey: Yeah I just ran across it, it actually made installing Myth on Slack super easy... Ive been wanting to get away from KnoppMyth/MythDora for a long time, Slack is my distro of choice... so Im very glad to be back on it!

[20:34:52]

kormoc:

hobbynutte, it's not bs. the setting is in the source. change the 60 to 30 or 10 or 1. just because it's not runtime editable doesn't mean it's not changable

[20:35:25]

hobbynutte:

aaaah

[20:35:31]

hobbynutte:

but where haha :)

[20:36:42]

hobbynutte:

i willd ig a bit around, cause when its 60 sec.... than somethings strange happens here...cause my minimum required space is 3G.... so not possible to get to 0 free space

[20:36:47]

hobbynutte:

hope its minutes :)

[20:38:19]

kormoc:

perhaps I'm wrong bout the amount, but I have mine set to keep the min free of 1 gig and I never have problems

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** kormoc shrugs **

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stuarta:

haha! now it works!

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wibbit:

stuarta: is a special dvb-s card required that can decode hd data?

[20:42:41]

stuarta:

yes

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wibbit:

stuarta: ugh :\

[20:42:54]

stuarta:

most HD stuff is dvb-s2 rather than dvb-s

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wibbit:

stuarta: any recomendations for a card?

[20:43:19]

stuarta:

nope

[20:43:28]

stuarta:

since i don't have one i can't recommend one

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wibbit:

stuarta: All dvb-s2 cards would be able to process hd?

[20:44:17]

kormoc:

I recommend a card that works well

[20:44:41]

stuarta:

your biggest problem is pretty much every HD transmission is encrypted

[20:44:54]

stuarta:

not sure about bbc-hd tho

[20:44:56]

directhex:

stuarta, not on astra2

[20:45:00]

** stuarta checks lyngsat **

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directhex:

stuarta, freesat is dvb-s, not s2

[20:45:23]

stuarta:

yes i know

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stuarta:

but he's talking about HD

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stuarta:

wibbit: http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html

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wibbit:

stuarta: My understanding is that the BBC is going to start broadcasting hd on Freesat

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wibbit:

So, I'm talking specifically about hd

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stuarta:

i'm just trying to find it on lyngsat

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stuarta:

okay, looks like it's currently being broadcast in the clear

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jamesd:

and some day english chefs will begin producing good tasting food ;-)

[20:49:39]

stuarta:

in mpeg4

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quink:

Is there a reason why some of hte visualizations while playing music take up insane amounts of CPU power?

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wibbit:

stuarta: how can you tell?

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stuarta:

read the link i posted, and scroll down till you find bbc-hd. the colour codes are explained at the bottom

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wibbit:

okie

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** wibbit was hoping for the "find bbc-hd" bit, so that I could search quickly **

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kormoc:

TheDukeNY, in short, in the us, you typically do need to pay for schedules (via schedules direct, $20 per year) unless you're only using OTA stuff and get the EIT data

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justinh:

some day people will stop making generalisations about other nations

[21:02:16]

justinh:

eep. it's gone 10pm already

[21:04:23]

quink:

Whats the 'best' nvidia-drivers these days?

[21:04:38]

justinh:

whatever works for you (tm)

[21:04:51]

quink:

Whats working best for you right now?

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justinh:

not using nvidia

[21:05:09]

quink:

heh

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sphery:

iamlindoro: If nothing else, by the time it's ready, it won't be necessary. Plus, I think there are better more general-purpose ways to do the same. But, that's just my (software-decode-favoring) opinion.

[21:05:19]

quink:

I can't figure out this blinky stuff. Can't find much good help on google

[21:05:35]

xand:

quink: I use the one from their website

[21:05:52]

xand:

not the OSS one

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Personally, I've got a machine that doesn't need it, and a machine that just barely doesn't need it that I wouldn't mind having a bit of help, but can do without

[21:06:11]

sphery:

quink: I have 1.0–9755, but it sounds like iamlindoro's suggestion of 100.14.11 would be good.

[21:06:25]

iamlindoro_:

quink: There is little reason to move beyond 100.14.11, which is the only one I know that does both xv-blit and opengl properly with myth right now

[21:06:45]

iamlindoro_:

Some of the ones after that break XV, and all of the ones after that break opengl-video in myth

[21:06:56]

sphery:

people just joining the channel think I'm reading iamlindoro_'s mind

[21:07:00]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: fyi, glass-wide as you know it now is dead. long live the new one :D

[21:07:03]

iamlindoro_:

hehehe

[21:07:08]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: ETA?

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xand:

actually, I forgot to setup nvidia/X on my mythtv machine after switching it from ubuntu to debian :|

[21:07:27]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: no idea. I'm not spending every spare waking hour on it

[21:07:35]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: fair enough ;)

[21:07:45]

justinh:

the screens I use will be done first

[21:07:49]

sphery:

justinh: Yeah, I noticed you melted the glass and are re-working it. Must be hot in your house.

[21:07:53]

justinh:

so the live tv EPG will prolly never get done

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fryfrog:

how does debian look now a days?

[21:08:58]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: You should blame this one on some completely random nick and set a random gmail e-mail that doesn't actually belong to you

[21:09:02]

justinh:

I was about to say I might have a bash at making the guide contextual like the watch recordings screen – to save on having two entries in ui.xml – but there's no point

[21:09:13]

fryfrog:

is the installer still ncurses, w/o X coming up by default (er, installed)?

[21:09:20]

fryfrog:

or is it sort of pretty like most distros now?

[21:09:29]

justinh:

fryfrog: why does it matter?

[21:09:47]

justinh:

the graphical installer ubuntu uses by default crashes on a lot of older hardware

[21:09:51]

** sphery uses a "doesn't start X unless I say so" distro **

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: if I ever release it ;)

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directhex:

fryfrog, debian looks the same as it always has – exactly how you want it to

[21:10:18]

fryfrog:

sphery: doesn't *start* or doesn't install?

[21:10:19]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Also effective ;)

[21:10:26]

directhex:

fryfrog, the installer is ncurses, or a gtk version of the same ncurses screens

[21:10:37]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

nothing wrong with that :)

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fryfrog:

i still use the ncurses installer when i install ubuntu :)

[21:11:16]

sphery:

fryfrog: Doesn't start. (Though, really, since I'm packager and only user of the distro, ...)

[21:11:32]

fryfrog:

sphery: ahahha, your own distro? nice :)

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sphery:

I like booting the system and being able to choose whether I want X or not. It's amazing how fast you can boot, log in, and do stuff without starting X. (Not to mention the scourge of fast boots that most distros use--KDE and/or GNOME.)

[21:13:13]

sphery:

fryfrog: It's a complete and total waste of time, but my OC side won't let go of the control.

[21:13:43]

FinnTux:

does that long boot time actually matter if you boot something like once a month? :)

[21:14:29]

fryfrog:

sphery: i know what you mean :)

[21:14:47]

fryfrog:

FinnTux: effeciencey! it does not mater how much or h ow little it costs!

[21:15:19]

sphery:

FinnTux: I boot my laptop quite often.

[21:15:25]

FinnTux:

ok, thats really efficient then :)

[21:15:51]

FinnTux:

sphery, how about suspend to ram/disk?

[21:15:53]

sphery:

Besides, what's wrong with spending 100's of hours building a complete distribution to save 45 seconds on a boot.

[21:16:09]

fryfrog:

nothing! and don't you let anyone else say otherwise!

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sphery:

Suspend to disk would work--I have to shut down on airplanes.

[21:16:59]

FinnTux:

ok, makes sense

[21:17:02]

sphery:

way too many airplanes

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hadees:

anyone using the mythtv ebuilds on gentoo? the init scrips to start the backend never seem to work for me

[21:19:22]

hadees:

it just doesn't spawn a mythbackend

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kormoc:

works for me

[21:23:22]

hadees:

kormoc, yeah i would assume it works for most

[21:23:35]

hadees:

i'll try it again after i update my system

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sphery:

hadees: do you have a valid HOME environment variable in the init script?

[21:24:05]

sphery:

(or at least the environment in which it runs?)

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hadees:

sphery, i didn't change anything with the script

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sphery:

I've never seen the script, but that's a reason that init scripts often fail.

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hadees:

i'll check it out

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fryfrog:

hadees: check what the initscript is doing, then try it manually

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fryfrog:

maybe you are seg faulting or something

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javatexan:

I know you can back up shows to DVD....has anyone tried this with bluray....does it work too?

[22:22:44]

javatexan:

i saw where nero linux will write bluray, but not sure how it will do with mp4s at 480p?

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justinh:

mytharchive is only capable of writing dvd images & discs AFAIK

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justinh:

weird. never noticed this before – go into the guide, press 6 to enter the programme finder, then quit out of it – you go back to the guide

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javatexan:

lol..

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Aval0n:

I used to love samsung

[22:34:04]

Aval0n:

now I hate them

[22:34:12]

Aval0n:

3 tv's or theirs and they all failed

[22:34:17]

Aval0n:

mutliple repairs

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javatexan:

never mind...I can get a 1T hdd for ~$300 which is a lot of bluray disks.....LOL I'll just add hdds until bluray comes out of the clouds....LOL

[22:40:06]

kormoc:

javatexan, just 40/20 dual layer disks

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javatexan:

what? not following

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: You've probably already seen this, but just in case: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271

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kormoc:

javatexan, blue ray disks hold 25 gb or 50 if it's dual layer, 1 tb only holds 40 single layer disks, or 20 dual layer disks. it's not /that/ many

[22:48:36]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: The most damning thing is that FiOS is only a few miles away from here, but it probably will never come to my specific neighorbood.

[22:48:43]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Yup, definitely seen that in my area

[22:49:41]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Everything basically looks fine except for high motion, really-- the AVS'er are pitching a *fit* about it, though, so hopefully they'll go back to two 1080i streams/channel sometime soon

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javatexan:

true, but bluray is $599 plus software here...not sure I can blo that much...anyone know of a good one thats a little cheaper than the sony BWU 200S?

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Yah, it's not the end of the world, but I definately notice the macroblocking. Personally, I'd rather they just do some high quality 720p streams instead of 1080i stuff.

[22:50:56]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: My reduction is quality is not nearly as bad as what some of those examples show, but I do see it

[22:50:56]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Interlaced video should have been destroyed in its entirety for all the new digital standards.

[22:51:00]

TelnetManta:

Has anyone seen a plugin that will throw up a screensaver when a recording is paused for a period of time?

[22:51:22]

TelnetManta:

or do you just use the OS screensaver?

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kormoc:

TelnetManta, DPMS

[22:52:23]

TelnetManta:

hmm, better look that up

[22:52:56]

kormoc:

Digital Power Management System, my video card/tv blanks itself after a few monutes, myth enables/disabled this blanking smartly

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TelnetManta:

if I leave a recording paused like I just did to give my daughter a bath it just sits there, this was at least 30 mins

[22:53:42]

TelnetManta:

is there a setting that would prohibit it?

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kormoc:

you might have to configure X or your video card to do it

[22:54:39]

TelnetManta:

gooling

[22:54:46]

TelnetManta:

erm googling

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Anduin:

It should also play nice with xscreensaver (and the gnome screensaver in 0.21)

[22:56:10]

TelnetManta:

Im running a slightly older version. 0.21.20080202–1, I assume it was availible then.

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TelnetManta:

I assume having this: " Option "DPMS" "false" " in my xorg could cause a problem!!!

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kormoc:

well, that would disable it, yes

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TelnetManta:

and I want it for the screensaver to work, right?

[22:59:00]

kormoc:

for blanking the screen, yes

[22:59:19]

kormoc:

you won't get pretty screen savors, just a blank/black screen

[22:59:21]

TelnetManta:

thanks, I've been using myth for two years now and just realized this wasnt working.... DOH!

[22:59:47]

TelnetManta:

kormoc: So if I enable the gnome screensaver it would work with myth?

[23:00:13]

kormoc:

in theory

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TelnetManta:

lol, I'll give it a try. Do I need DPMS enabled for the screensaver to work?

[23:00:51]

TelnetManta:

in myth that is.

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kormoc:

shouldn't

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kormoc:

dpms also can instruct displays to enter into low power mode and the like, and they'd work together, so using both should be fine as well

[23:02:34]

mjj29:

right, I've just fixed the timezone on my myth box

[23:02:52]

mjj29:

how do I fix the listings (got with EPG) to be correct?

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kormoc:

mjj29, mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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** mjj29 wonders whether it'll fix it without restarting things **

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mjj29:

it seems not

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TelnetManta:

kormoc: I seem to remember screen blanking while watching tv when I first set this system up. I bet thats why I disabled dpms

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kormoc:

TelnetManta, fair 'nuff, but myth does disable it while playing a recording and enables it when paused or at a menu

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kormoc:

Thomas-, you could have had a bug or something as well

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** kormoc shrugs **

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mtnbkr:

Hi everyone... after suspecting that my (comcast) HD channels were not up to par, I see this story today: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271 So, if At&T's Fios is an option for me, is it possible to interface to my mythtv backends in a similar fashion that I do with my comcast cable? (eg: cable comes in, splits to TV, then cable box and also to two myth backends)

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kormoc:

mtnbkr, first, it's verizon's fios

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kormoc:

mtnbkr, second, it's one fios-tv box per input on each backend or tv, so if you have two backends with one tuner and one tv, you'd need three fios-tv boxes

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mtnbkr:

kormoc: yea sorrry. :)

[23:09:54]

mtnbkr:

kormoc: and ir blaster support right?

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kormoc:

aye

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mtnbkr:

to change the channels

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kormoc:

and you won't get hd via this setup

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mtnbkr:

sigh

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mtnbkr:

Yeah, Iunderstand that I will get no HD (but when I want to watch HD, I want "HD" not Hd fed through comcast's crappification algorithms

[23:11:33]

mtnbkr:

and my guess is that three fios tv boxes will cost me extra from verizon too, right.

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kormoc:

likely, but you'd have to call and ask

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iamlindoro:

I'm confused why you're going to switch from crappy HD to no HD

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iamlindoro:

at least as far as myth is concerned

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mtnbkr:

iamlindoro: Oh no... I can not record HD right now either. I have two backends, each with a winpvr 500 (two tuner) card... but when I want to watch HD, I'd prefer to SEE HD. :) my myth records only non-hd channels etc.... I'm OK with that...

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iamlindoro:

ah, ok

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kormoc:

mtnbkr, ouch, 5 boxes + the pvr500 add in spliter likely then

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mtnbkr:

yeah, I am already compromising... I'd just prefer to net be getting screwed too

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mtnbkr:

iamlindoro: that was meant for you

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mtnbkr:

kormoc: wtf is at&t offering? My parents just got it... looks like phone wires to a box that has wifi, coax out, ethernet out and maybe one other thing... I saw it ony for a few minutes.

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kormoc:

it's likely similar to verizon's fios, just over dsl rather then fiber

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iamlindoro:

uVerse

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iamlindoro:

Get FIOS if you can, I read up on it a bit the other day-- Verizon has actual QAM coming out of their boxes so you can at least get locals in HS at some point w/ a QAM tuner, the ATT uVerse stuff is non-QAM

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iamlindoro:

er locals in HD

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mtnbkr:

kormoc: Yeah... uVerse... That's what they call it... I call it "direct link to NSA"

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justinh:

iamlindoro: might be done here sooner than I thought

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mtnbkr:

;)

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Nice!

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darkwizzard:

hey all

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darkwizzard:

how do i get picture control

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iamlindoro:

We do it by dropping acid.

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iamlindoro:

It's natures hue control

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darkwizzard:

na

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kormoc:

I put on my wizard's hat...

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darkwizzard:

there a plugin called picture control

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Anduin:

darkwizzard: f and you need to enable xv picture controls

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darkwizzard:

xv

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darkwizzard:

?

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iamlindoro:

This will end in tears

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Anduin:

typed before it was clear you didn't mean playback

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darkwizzard:

do u mean viia xvmc?

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iamlindoro:

If you're talking about what we're talking about, it's not a plugin-- picture controls are part of myth/Xv

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darkwizzard:

yrah

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iamlindoro:

But your driver/video renderer has to support it

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Aval0n:

anyone know who the author of mythXface is?

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darkwizzard:

yeah

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Anduin:

darkwizzard: No, in the frontend, while watchin, f will allow you to adjust brightness, color, contrast, and hue

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darkwizzard:

i have nivida

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Aval0n:

:)

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darkwizzard:

it just says recoder adjust

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Anduin:

darkwizzard: go to the playback settings screen and enable xv picture controls

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darkwizzard:

and won't let me do anything

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darkwizzard:

i did

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Anduin:

darkwizzard: and controls during the recording are different

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iamlindoro:

With recent nVidia cards only the OpenGL renderer will allow picture controls IIRC

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darkwizzard:

it don't show up in meny

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TelnetManta:

Anyone using a Harmony remote?

[23:24:01]

TelnetManta:

I have a 688 and want a better feeling remote. this ones to "clicky"

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Anduin:

I have .12 and am not using the broken GL rendered and they work (I never use them though)

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Which nv card, though?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: some 8xxx one

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: ah, ok, perhaps I was mistaken then, I thought the 7xxx and 8xxx cards only had Xv picture controls w/ OpenGL.... It's the case with my 7300 something-or-another, anyway

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iamlindoro:

But I get them back if I swap to OpenGL

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justinh:

Anduin: some guy in Spain

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justinh:

doh not Anduin -I mean Aval0n

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justinh:

mythxface must be the only theme in existence to use more memory than blootube-wide :D

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iamlindoro:

not to mention the backwards-image "easter Egg"

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: Yeah I only vaguely remember something about them being broken, they work here (8400 169.12).

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: ok-- I never touch 'em anyway so I'm out of the loop

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darkwizzard:

iamlindoro i have a geforce fx5200

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I wish him the very best of luck, basing a theme on one of mine :P

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Anduin:

Yeah, I only touched them to make sure I remembered correctly.

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I've put a couple more screenshots up

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iamlindoro:

justinh: I see you're hard at work on the EPG

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iamlindoro:

:)

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iamlindoro:

and the watch recording screen

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justinh:

see knowing more about how the ui code works now than when I started I really can't see why the guide has to have two disparate entries in ui.xml – well at least now I think I'll just copy the non-live one & bung it in

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darkwizzard:

what decoder do i use

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darkwizzard:

i have opengl

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justinh:

darkwizzard: whichever works for you

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darkwizzard:

well none give me picture control

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justinh:

Aval0n: still though – at least xface is available eh :p

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iamlindoro:

If you plan to use OpenGL your nVidia drivers better not be any newer than 100.14.11

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darkwizzard:

why is that

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iamlindoro:

because if your drivers are newer I'll come to your house and knock up your daughter

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darkwizzard:

well have fun

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iamlindoro:

and because the openGL renderer works for exactly one recording/video if you're running a version later than that

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darkwizzard:

i don't got kids

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darkwizzard:

lol

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iamlindoro:

that you know of

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justinh:

kids/pets – he's not choosy

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darkwizzard:

lol

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Tanthrix:

Even furniture sometimes.

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darkwizzard:

better hide the cat

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Tanthrix:

Bottom line is you don't want him in your house.

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iamlindoro:

True, true, all true

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darkwizzard:

iamlindoro does nvidia have older drivers

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** iamlindoro pauses to try to understand that question... **

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justinh:

hmm looking at these screenshots I'm only going "mmmm".. not wanting to rush it all to 'finish' the job. that might be a good sign – i.e. maybe I might not get sick of this one as fast as others

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darkwizzard:

well i only got 169.07.1

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Tanthrix:

darkwizzard: nVidia exists in a temporal paradox, so no, they don't.

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iamlindoro:

I *think* you're asking if you can still get the older ones, and yes, you can

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darkwizzard:

so i want 100.14.09

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iamlindoro:

justinh: I've long since learned to squirrel away a copy :)

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iamlindoro:

100.14.11

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darkwizzard:

that will give me pic control

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iamlindoro:

maybe

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iamlindoro:

mayhap all your stuff is just broke

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iamlindoro:

I promise nothing

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darkwizzard:

what graphic card u use

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iamlindoro:

The green one with all the shiny metally and black bits on it

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darkwizzard:

nvidia

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Tanthrix:

darkwizzard: Are you just attempting to adjust contrast / brightness / etc... ?

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darkwizzard:

yes

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darkwizzard:

way to bright

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Tanthrix:

darkwizzard: Have you looked in nvidia-settings?

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darkwizzard:

yeah

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darkwizzard:

still way to bight then too dark

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Tanthrix:

You're not going to get any more control than what nvidia-settings offers you.

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darkwizzard:

yeah

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darkwizzard:

but i can adjust every channel

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iamlindoro:

MythTV is a tricksy one he is, my preciousssssssssssssss

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darkwizzard:

not like nvidia-settings

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darkwizzard:

some channels are too bright some are too dark

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darkwizzard:

it isn't my tv

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TelnetManta:

justinh: WHAT SCREENSHOTS!!!

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TelnetManta:

<- wants to see :-)

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justinh:

muhahah

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justinh:

O M F G

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mishehu:

iamlindoro: you messed up. smeagol always talks about himself in the plural

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mishehu:

"our precious"

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kormoc:

darkwizzard, so change the brightness/hue/etc in the channel editor?

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iamlindoro:

mishehu: Probably because I think LOTR is a piece of shie

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iamlindoro:

er shite

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iamlindoro:

If I want a dramatic experience like LOTR I'll just read the manual for my stereo

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justinh:

people have been murdered for lesser 'crimes' ;)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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mishehu:

iamlindoro: it was entertaining, as in something you watch with popcorn. but not something for any serious discussions about afterwards.

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mishehu:

and certainly not worthy of any awards

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justinh:

mishehu: yeah but one to watch at home, not in a cinema seat

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mishehu:

justinh: it was fine at the imax.

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justinh:

anything longer than 90 mins in a cinema.. numb bum

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mishehu:

I don't regret seeing it there.

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mishehu:

justinh: must have lousy theaters by you

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Tanthrix:

justinh: Indeed.

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darkwizzard:

kormoc can u o that in channel editor?

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mishehu:

I go to the theaters where they get a teenage mexican girl to come and massage your ass after 90 min

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justinh:

mishehu: well, unless we pay top whack to go see something in the gallery – but then it HAS to be bloody good enough to justify $30 a ticket

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justinh:

free concessions though – but that isn't the point

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mishehu:

justinh: $30 a ticket? does that include the teenage mexican girl ass massager?

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justinh:

a regular ticket is like 6 GBP – or $12. add drinks, popcorn.. kerching!

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Ward1983:

how do i know the password for the mysql database mythtv sets up?

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Ward1983:

(im on ubuntu)

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fryfrog:

it is random

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it's that random string of characters it told you during setup that you ignored

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fryfrog:

check mysql.txt

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justinh:

Ward1983: you read the nice little popup that came up which told you what the password is

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mishehu:

justinh: I normally just sneak it in. once I even snuck in a large pizza in my jacket.

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Ward1983:

justinh, damn i tried that one it doesnt work

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Ward1983:

justinh, any suggestions

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Ward1983:

?

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mishehu:

was with my sister and a cousin, we ate pizza while watching jurrasic park

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justinh:

Ward1983: /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt – like the SAME popup told you about

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fryfrog:

haha

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Uh oh, he's referring to you by name, now you *have* to help him

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Ward1983:

justinh, the pqssword is correct it just does not work...

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fryfrog:

we bring icecream, drinks, candy, snacks and shit in if we goto a theater, but we rarely do

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iamlindoro:

correct passwords tend to work

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Ward1983:

i actually copy and pasted the content of the popups to make sure i could review it should something go wrong

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fryfrog:

Ward1983: could you be restricted due to host?

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mishehu:

fryfrog: ice cream seems a bit hard to do, due to the melting factor

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fryfrog:

is your mysql on another system?

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fryfrog:

mishehu: usually purchased from coldstone, near by :)

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Ward1983:

fryfrog, i have no clue what you mean, how can i find out?

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fryfrog:

well, lets see

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Ward1983:

fryfrog, nope the same

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fryfrog:

ah, nm

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fryfrog:

so that isn't it :)

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justinh:

iamlindoro: viddy the latest shot man. I need to put the lame blue background back on before I gets carried aways agains

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Ward1983:

the exact error: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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fryfrog:

if you do it manually (mysql -u <username> -p mythconverg) does it work?

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