| Saturday, March 29th, 2008, 00:00 UTC |
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lyricnz: |
linux backend, and the osx frontend – 0.21 release binaries from ... |
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k-man__: |
the OSD has this sort of shimmery effect, could that be something to do with the interlacing? |
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lyricnz: |
http://macvana.com/mythtv/FIXES/ |
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lyricnz: |
Or http://macvana.com/mythtv/RELEASES/ |
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otwin: |
lyricnz: i will get an appletv from the US next month and will install some linux distro. from what i've read at awkwardtv.org this shoult work. |
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lyricnz: |
I like mac, and it's way more useful (to me) as OSX. I'd just like to play myth content too. |
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lyricnz: |
I'm gonna get a mac mini for the bedroom, maybe with the next refresh. |
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xand: |
fgs, why does the lenny debian-multimedia repository have mythtv 0.20 but etch has 0.21 :| |
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directhex: |
xand, ask marillat |
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nordle: |
Do you guys enable/disable dithering on your GPU's? |
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otwin: |
lyricnz: for my needs (no HD), in theory, the appletv should be fine for me. |
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lyricnz: |
Yeah, I'll have a HD tv in the room. And appletv isn't much use down here, as a product itself. |
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lyricnz: |
They don't even sell it here, afaik |
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otwin: |
lyricnz: in europe it's pretty much useless – which makes me wonder why it's so expensive here. |
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Huijari: |
has anyone here had problems with xine showing only green picture after watching something with mythfrontend or vice versa? |
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directhex: |
Huijari, nvidia driver 100.x? |
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Huijari: |
directhex: yeah |
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xand: |
hmm... two dvb tuners + multirec = 4 "encoders" in mythweb? |
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Huijari: |
directhex: 100.14.19 to be exact |
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directhex: |
Huijari, how do you think i guessed that? |
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otwin: |
xand: with 'max recordings = 2' I reckon yes. |
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Huijari: |
directhex: that's a known problem that i missed because i was too lazy to search for it before asking? :P |
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iamlindoro: |
That is the best user conclusion I have ever heard, full marks |
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Huijari: |
\o/ |
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nordle: |
I found I get green/pink in xine, and to get a proper pic I HAVE to watch mythtv livetv for 1 second, then xine+mplayer are fine.... Another point to myth :) |
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iamlindoro: |
or you could just upgrade/downgrade you nvidia drivers and not worry about it... |
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** otwin wonders how long it will take that amd/ati cards are better supported than nvidia ** |
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directhex: |
otwin, try "never" |
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PatrickDK: |
otwin, ati cards have never been supported in anything other than windows, ever |
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PatrickDK: |
they never have attempted to help others |
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directhex: |
otwin, i've seen 0 improvement in 4 years |
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PatrickDK: |
and their windows stuff sucks too :) |
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directhex: |
PatrickDK, my altix has an ati card! |
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PatrickDK: |
directhex, you will get no pitty from me :) |
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directhex: |
it can't run crysis :( |
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directhex: |
even with a terabyte of ram |
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otwin: |
directhex: well since amd took over they are releasing much more info |
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iamlindoro: |
Oh here comes *that* business again |
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directhex: |
otwin, so use that info |
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nordle: |
otwin: I lost this argument about 12 months ago, nothing has changed :) |
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directhex: |
otwin, download the register maps, and improve the open-source driver |
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PatrickDK: |
someone help me replace my o2 sensor |
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PatrickDK: |
damned thing won't come out :) |
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otwin: |
directhex: heh – as i said 'i'm just wondering' |
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nordle: |
I find the whole thing strange, I mean heres a product, millions spent developing them, soooo much technology, sooo many capacitors, and yet on both lin and win platforms, they barely work properly. |
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iamlindoro: |
Millions spent on hardware, dolla fitty spent on software |
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nordle: |
:) |
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clever: |
3$ on a bare frame buffer and you solve all your ati problems! |
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clever: |
:P |
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clever: |
i for a few of them |
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otwin: |
i don't have any ati hw, but i'm just reading the news about them releasing specs and stuff – and that definitely changed since amd bought ati. |
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nordle: |
mmm thats weird, the first time I've seen black google |
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directhex: |
29% of early vista crashes caused by nvidia drivers :) |
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clever: |
ive got compiz working well on ati |
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clever: |
with xvideo&mythfrontend |
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clever: |
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) |
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clever: |
but that card cant mangle the xvideo as a 3d texture |
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clever: |
so the effects dont blend into the video perfectly |
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otwin: |
which reminds me that i actually have an ati radeon on my thinkpad – and myth always crashes on playing video... |
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PatrickDK: |
directhex, but who in the right mind is going to use vista? |
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directhex: |
PatrickDK, it's a better windows than xp |
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clever: |
on my nvidia dell the xvideo can be a 3d texture |
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clever: |
so i can make video transparent! |
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PatrickDK: |
I dunno about that, nothing I do can be done on vista |
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PatrickDK: |
I can't even properly use client side certs |
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** xand ROFLs at directhex ** |
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otwin: |
directhex: definitely not in a corporate environment... |
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PatrickDK: |
clever, transparent video? sounds like a waist of a cpu :) |
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clever: |
PatrickDK: its done in the GPU |
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clever: |
but it doesnt have to be fully transparent |
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PatrickDK: |
I meant the cpu used to create the video :) |
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clever: |
i can easily make it 60% |
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clever: |
so the irc behind the video leaks thru some |
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clever: |
while the vid is still watchable |
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xand: |
otwin: not at all, ever. |
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clever: |
windowskey+wheel to addjust transparency |
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clever: |
wait no thats zoom |
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clever: |
alt+wheel is transparancy |
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otwin: |
xand: there is simply no reason to replace xp, especially if you're server is samba :) |
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xand: |
recent samba works with vista |
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xand: |
but still, vista is teh suck |
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otwin: |
xand: there is no 'reason' to upgrade |
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otwin: |
users ask 'why no vista' |
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xand: |
otwin: you don't need to convince me :) |
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otwin: |
reply: why vista |
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xand: |
I tried vista on my new work PC for a few weeks... then promptly upgraded to XP :P |
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otwin: |
xand: i know :) |
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purserj: |
anyone alive? |
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xand: |
read up a few lines? |
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purserj: |
ah |
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purserj: |
cool |
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purserj: |
just looking for anyone who's done any work on mythnews |
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rushfan: |
So, as usual, mythtv is messed up and the backend is saying: 2008-03–28 20:46:34.521 MythSocket(8c0a80:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
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rushfan: |
a nice generic error |
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rushfan: |
http://monoport.com/8269 --> Theres the more com,plete error log |
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rushfan: |
Oh, and the frontend segfaults |
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nordle: |
I've just read this fantastic entry on the wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency Just wondering, what have others got there PCI latency set to on IDE/SATA and PCI based DVB cards? |
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directhex: |
i've never felt the need to mess with it |
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nordle: |
eg lspci -v | grep latency -B3 |
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nordle: |
I have, not being able to transcode and watch live tv is a bitch. |
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rushfan: |
Hmm, if mythtv keeps segfaulting like a mother should I try changing my deinterlacers and stuff? |
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directhex: |
rushfan, if your frontend is segfaulting, it might make a difference. a stack trace might be more useful though |
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rushfan: |
directhex: yeah Ill run gdb tommorow |
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rushfan: |
Right now Ive got stuff compiling so the machines a bit jittery |
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rushfan: |
directhex: should I gdb the backend and frontend at the same time? |
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purserj: |
hmm I wonder why launching mplayer from mythnews is dropping all control |
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directhex: |
if the frontend is what's segfaulting, concentrate on that |
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rushfan: |
directhex: but when the frotnend dies, sometimes it takes the backend out with it |
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directhex: |
purserj, you're not using a WM which handles focus properly? |
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purserj: |
directhex: xfce |
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directhex: |
hm |
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purserj: |
I'm pretty sure this is down to a code change I made |
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purserj: |
so I'm trying to find where I flipped it up |
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purserj: |
I'll run strace and see what's going on |
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purserj: |
okay that was completely useless |
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nordle: |
Soemthing is wrong, I think, with the freespace warning thing. CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 8.0 GB w/freq: 15 min Is repeating thousands of times. |
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alexvd: |
hi all i have a tira-3oem that uses the irman protocols. Is this broken on the current build still? |
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alexvd: |
I guess I mean the lirc version included with the mythbuntu |
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PatrickDK: |
ask mythbuntu people? |
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alexvd: |
ooops wrong window |
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PatrickDK: |
but I would doubt it |
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squish102: |
does mythfrontend use more than one core, or will it help with HD playback? |
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alexvd: |
PatrickDK: It was really a lirc bug |
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PatrickDK: |
oh? |
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directhex: |
squish102, if it's compiled with pthreads support, and you configure it to, and your file can be threaded (not all files can be decoded on multiple cpus) |
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squish102: |
thanks directhex |
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directhex: |
h264 in particular requires that the source file has been encoded with slice support |
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nordle: |
mmmm I'm off to actually watch some mythtv rather than keep tinkering with it :) |
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** J-e-f-f-A is confused... A year ago I had a 1Ghz PIII with 512MB ram and an NVidia 5500 playing 720p HD with just an occasional stutter... Now with a 1.7Ghz P4, I can only get about 5 frames per second with XVMC.... ** |
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TelnetManta: |
what would keep a remote frontend from being able to play live tv from the backend? |
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PatrickDK: |
J-e-f-f-A, I don't think you know what 720p content is |
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TelnetManta: |
I get: RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out |
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PatrickDK: |
cause my 1ghz p3 can just hardly play 480i content back |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
PatrickDK: I do, and it was playing last year's 24 near perfectly, as long as the OSD wasn't on... |
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PatrickDK: |
where did you get your 720p content from? |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
PatrickDK: I think that system was just the 'perfect' combination that happened to work without a hitch... And this one is like the other 99% of the world... it doesn't cut the mustard... |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
OTA HD... ATSC |
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PatrickDK: |
maybe they upped the quality of their signal |
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PatrickDK: |
they might of been broadcasting a 5mbit or 10mbit stream last year |
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PatrickDK: |
and now are sending out a full 19.5mbit stream |
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PatrickDK: |
and it takes more cpu to handle the larger stream |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
PatrickDK: Humm... I think I still have the HD recordings, I'll have to check them with mplayer and see what bitrate they're at... |
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iamlindoro_: |
They turned on the --noPIII flag |
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iamlindoro_: |
bastards got it through congress |
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PatrickDK: |
what bitrate and what codec they used |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
iamlindoro_: rotfl!!! ha! |
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PatrickDK: |
iamlindoro, that better than the broadcast flag? :) |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
PatrickDK: Well, I know it was MPEG2 last year... haven't checked what it is today... |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
..er this year with HD... |
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iamlindoro_: |
PatrickDK: I suppose if I had to choose I'd take the noPIII flag |
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PatrickDK: |
so are they really going vote on it this year? or delay it again :) |
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iamlindoro_: |
It's tabled, there's no active bill right now |
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iamlindoro_: |
there'd need to be new legislation altogether |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
Actually... there is one difference with this system... I'm not running the resolution at 1280x1024 like I was on the other system... I'm running this at 800x600 atm... that could be the issue – it's having to work too hard to scale it down... |
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PatrickDK: |
I am running my system at 1280x768 currently |
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PatrickDK: |
I can play some hd streams, and can't play others |
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PatrickDK: |
using a 2.8ghz cpu |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
PatrickDK: My backend is an Athlon 64 x2 4600+ – I can play every HD stream I've thrown at it so far... ;-) |
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PatrickDK: |
did you download the sample streams? |
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J-e-f-f-A: |
PatrickDK: Actually, no I haven't done that yet... too busy getting my frontends back 'online' with 0.21 — i haven't been using them since I went with SVN about a year ago – switched back to 0.21 when it was released... |
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PatrickDK: |
I haven't used myth for about 2 years, since about a month ago |
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** J-e-f-f-A will be back in a bit... gotta go pick my son up from work... ** |
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PatrickDK: |
my dvr's are almost dead, have to replace them |
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iamlindoro_: |
Anyone see South Park this last week? |
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iamlindoro_: |
My favorite part about that episode is the questions popping up all over the internet asking whether you can get high on having a cat piss in your face. I just imagine little retards at home trying it this weekend. Google "Is Cheesing Real" for good fun. |
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PatrickDK: |
just downloaded some sampled from ota hd signals, I can play the 720p one just fine, and the 1080i, but I can't do the 480i at all |
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PatrickDK: |
iamlindoro, how about those that didn't google? |
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PatrickDK: |
but found out for themselfs? |
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iamlindoro_: |
No sympathy! |
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iamlindoro_: |
If I had to learn the hard way so should everyone else! |
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iamlindoro_: |
erm.. |
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iamlindoro_: |
I mean |
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iamlindoro_: |
nothing |
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iamlindoro_: |
It's totally Fon to Due |
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** clever gets to work fixing everything after 3 dist-upgrades ** |
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clever: |
ivtv and lirc are broken! |
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clever: |
i think ive fixed ivtv(even better then before) |
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iamlindoro_: |
I fixed ivtv right off my system |
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iamlindoro_: |
fixing is best when you end up with extra parts |
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clever: |
ir blaster is dead |
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clever: |
doesnt make sense as to why ir blasting isnt working |
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clever: |
i recompiled lirc_serial with same configure as before |
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clever: |
installed and probed it |
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clever: |
reloaded lircd |
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PatrickDK: |
are you sure lirc_serial is loaded in lsmod? |
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clever: |
lirc_serial 14564 0 |
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clever: |
lirc_dev 14564 2 lirc_serial,lirc_i2c |
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clever: |
[ 1868.304171] lirc_serial: auto-detected active high receiver |
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PatrickDK: |
just making sure :) |
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clever: |
its loaded |
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PatrickDK: |
I didn't properly setserial to turn off the serial port |
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PatrickDK: |
and found that after you modprobe lirc_serial once, that is it, till you reboot |
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clever: |
i made shure to copy&paste the lines from rc.local |
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clever: |
which failed because lirc_serial was missing at boot |
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clever: |
root@theP4:~# /usr/local/sbin/lircd -d /dev/lirc0 -o /dev/lircd2 |
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clever: |
mythtv@theP4:~$ irsend -d /dev/lircd2 SEND_ONCE DCT2000 4;echo $? |
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clever: |
and my ir receiver is dead |
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clever: |
configure: error: *** it is not possible to install the specified driver on this system |
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clever: |
finaly! |
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clever: |
when i built ivtv i seem to have made a 2nd lirc_dev.ko |
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clever: |
which conflicts with the lirc_serial.ko |
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clever: |
manualy insmod'ing the 'proper' one got blasting fixed for now |
| [03:06:30] |
clever: |
that tweak to rc.local should force the 'proper' one from now on |
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