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| [00:00:07] | minthome: | cause I just got Fatal error: Call to a member function rec_override() on a non-object in /home/httpd/html/myth/modules/tv/upcoming.php on line 48 too |
| [00:00:38] | xris: | minthome: at this point I'd recommend that you blow away your mythweb install and re-grab it from .21-fixes svn |
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| [00:01:03] | minthome: | heh, well, i just did yesterday... |
| [00:03:46] | xris: | that error means mythweb/php isn't loading libraries properly... |
| [00:03:53] | xris: | anyway, I'm headed home. will be back online in a bit. |
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| [00:10:04] | territory: | is there a way to watch my pc's windows media player shares on my mythbox? |
| [00:10:38] | territory: | windows media player detected the mythbox and i allowed it access, but i see no where in mythtv to watch teh stuff |
| [00:10:55] | justinh: | heh |
| [00:11:24] | GreyFoxx: | are you sharing them via upnp? Myth is a upnp server, not a client |
| [00:11:34] | GreyFoxx: | there is no built in support for playing from a remote upnp server |
| [00:11:35] | justinh: | for the time being (until such time as mythtv has a built-in upnp client) you'll need to mount the shares with Samba |
| [00:11:47] | territory: | i c |
| [00:11:50] | GreyFoxx: | you could however setup a windows file share |
| [00:11:55] | GreyFoxx: | and mount that |
| [00:12:06] | GreyFoxx: | or use djmount to access the upnp content and point mythvideo to that |
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| [00:13:01] | territory: | hm, shouldnt ps3 b able to find the mythbox then |
| [00:13:07] | territory: | and play its recordings |
| [00:13:09] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [00:13:17] | GreyFoxx: | many people use their ps3's to do that |
| [00:13:17] | territory: | interesting, i dont think it did alst time it ried |
| [00:13:30] | justinh: | has problems with some kinds of files |
| [00:13:45] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: apparently those are fixed in a firmware update for the ps3 in the last couple days |
| [00:13:50] | GreyFoxx: | or most of them at least |
| [00:14:00] | justinh: | cool for ps3 owners then :) |
| [00:14:53] | justinh: | if adding a upnp client to mythtv was within my lame abilities I'd say it'd be a good thing to have a go at implementing |
| [00:14:56] | territory: | anything on mythtv i need to enable |
| [00:15:01] | territory: | ps3 dont seem to be finding it |
| [00:15:06] | justinh: | territory: should just work (tm) |
| [00:15:09] | territory: | it just finds my pc's windows media player |
| [00:15:23] | jams: | might have to update my firmware then |
| [00:15:24] | GreyFoxx: | territory: Make sure your init script isn't disabling upnp when mythbackend starts |
| [00:15:39] | justinh: | AFAIK the upnp server is enabled by default – as GreyFoxx said check the init script |
| [00:15:58] | GreyFoxx: | territory: And make sure mythtv-setup has the backend listed as being on a ip other than 127.0.0.1 |
| [00:16:18] | territory: | can u point me the exact location of the init script |
| [00:16:23] | territory: | so i dont have to look it up heh |
| [00:16:46] | GreyFoxx: | territory: I don't do packages so I would have nmo idea where it is on your system :) |
| [00:17:00] | territory: | wel wehre is it on ur system |
| [00:17:09] | justinh: | /etc/init.d on debian/ubuntu |
| [00:17:14] | territory: | aight |
| [00:17:16] | territory: | im on ubuntu |
| [00:17:18] | GreyFoxx: | I made my own and placed it in /etc/rc.d/ (called rc.mythtyv) on my box |
| [00:18:44] | justinh: | bedtime for me. knackered! |
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| [00:21:21] | minthome: | so, in reality, WMP11 on XP should see my mythbox, right? outta the box (svn) |
| [00:21:38] | GreyFoxx: | mini: yes |
| [00:21:44] | territory: | my wmp sees mythbox |
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| [00:21:50] | territory: | didndt change no settings special for that |
| [00:21:52] | GreyFoxx: | mindframe: Sorry no |
| [00:22:04] | GreyFoxx: | minthome: WMP11 on vista only |
| [00:22:06] | minthome: | is mini and mindframe em? |
| [00:22:08] | minthome: | oh, ok |
| [00:22:11] | GreyFoxx: | they crippled that on XP :) |
| [00:22:12] | territory: | im on xp |
| [00:22:13] | frank23: | I just read about the new Hauppauge HD capture card that is coming out soon. It takes a component signal up to 1080p and outputs a h264 stream. |
| [00:22:25] | frank23: | It looks very nice. Now I just wonder how long it's gonna take until cable companies completely plug the analog hole |
| [00:22:27] | territory: | component input? |
| [00:22:50] | GreyFoxx: | territory: sorry but I find that hard to believe unless it's a recent update |
| [00:23:07] | territory: | i dunno, im on the .21 |
| [00:23:23] | territory: | wmp11 xp |
| [00:23:26] | GreyFoxx: | territory: Im talking about a WMP update cause it has never worked on xp |
| [00:23:40] | GreyFoxx: | and no reports I can find anywehre online of it working with upnp under xp |
| [00:23:51] | GreyFoxx: | if you have some magic recipe I'd like to hear it :) |
| [00:24:03] | minthome: | answered my next question there GreyFoxx... ;) |
| [00:24:56] | GreyFoxx: | wmp. I am referring to wmp11 as a upnp client under xp, not as a server unless you meant that |
| [00:25:23] | territory: | http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scka5.jpg |
| [00:25:25] | territory: | thats my wmp |
| [00:25:34] | territory: | all im sayin is it detected the mythtv box |
| [00:25:37] | territory: | i have no idea what its use it |
| [00:25:51] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
| [00:26:01] | GreyFoxx: | That's not what I was referring to :) |
| [00:26:04] | territory: | ah |
| [00:26:14] | GreyFoxx: | I was referring to WMP actually playing back upnp shared content from your network |
| [00:26:20] | territory: | ahh |
| [00:26:20] | GreyFoxx: | that doesn't work under XP |
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| [00:26:47] | frank23: | has anyone here used the mythnettv plugin? It's not working for google video rss feeds now (it used to, apparently) |
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| [00:36:18] | territory: | i cant seem to find where unpnp is enabled/disabled |
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| [00:56:31] | territory: | dont thinkt he ps3 works so great to stream the hd stuff heh |
| [00:57:16] | minthome: | *sigh*, somehow, i'm getting this very same error... http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /183021.html <-- any one know what to do with that? |
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| [01:08:16] | beoba: | im getting "Table 'mythconverg.settings' doesn't exist" when I try doing mythtv-setup from TRUNK |
| [01:08:48] | beoba: | is there some extra step that im missing? not seeing anything on sites |
| [01:09:16] | TelnetManta: | did you import the database when you built myth? |
| [01:09:46] | beoba: | i imported mythtv/database/mc.sql |
| [01:09:51] | beoba: | which is why mythconverg is there |
| [01:09:52] | TelnetManta: | sudo mysql < ./database/mc.sql |
| [01:09:55] | TelnetManta: | ok |
| [01:10:31] | beoba: | mc.sql appears to only create mythconverg, doesnt do anything about contents |
| [01:10:47] | beoba: | so im thinking there's some other super duper secret step that creates the settings table |
| [01:10:55] | beoba: | but havent found hints to any such thing so far |
| [01:12:12] | beoba: | i guess i pretty much did this: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
| [01:12:33] | beoba: | mythtv backend and frontend are on the same machine as mysql so using localhost is fine |
| [01:15:58] | beoba: | mythfilldatabase also fails, due to lack of a "videosource" table |
| [01:16:01] | beoba: | so yeah im all out of idea |
| [01:16:01] | beoba: | s |
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| [01:17:12] | Anduin: | beoba: running mythtv-setup or the backend, the contents are created in code |
| [01:17:45] | plb: | anyone use the mepo custom osd ? |
| [01:17:58] | beoba: | mythtv-setup fails due to lack of mythconverg.settings table |
| [01:18:04] | beoba: | as i just said |
| [01:18:42] | Anduin: | Ah, from trunk, when did you last update |
| [01:18:42] | Anduin: | ? |
| [01:18:48] | beoba: | last night |
| [01:19:30] | beoba: | http://pastebin.com/m5e62a887 |
| [01:19:50] | Anduin: | beoba: Update, janneg fixed that only a fews hours ago. |
| [01:20:07] | beoba: | k |
| [01:20:41] | Anduin: | (I think, there were problems creating a new DB, rather than upgrading an existing one) |
| [01:21:16] | beoba: | i dont know why it wants to upgrade, i will try reinstalling mysql while it builds to make sure everything is clean (this is a new install) |
| [01:23:59] | Anduin: | I used upgrading generically, it is a DB update to update from nothing (mc.sql just created the DB (not tables) and some grants) |
| [01:25:40] | plb: | <value>%NOTUNER| ***|***%</value> |
| [01:25:47] | plb: | what does this mean exactly? |
| [01:26:01] | plb: | mepo custom theme is displaying this |
| [01:26:12] | plb: | an error of sorts perhaps? |
| [01:29:33] | beoba: | Anduin: works now, thanks :) |
| [01:30:10] | GreyFoxx: | 23~ |
| [01:31:15] | DustyBin: | 01:31:00 up 6 days, 3:33, 4 users, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.07 |
| [01:31:20] | DustyBin: | no mythbackend restarts |
| [01:31:22] | DustyBin: | :D |
| [01:32:12] | DustyBin: | the Me-Po theme kicks serious ass |
| [01:32:54] | plb: | yeah |
| [01:32:59] | plb: | MePo is the best imho |
| [01:33:14] | DustyBin: | one of the best |
| [01:33:15] | Aval0n: | GreyFoxx: do you know if there is a way to toggle AC3 passthrough through command line? I would like to map it to a button on my remote. |
| [01:33:28] | Aval0n: | DustyBin: are you serious? |
| [01:33:43] | DustyBin: | yes? Me-Po looks really nice?! |
| [01:33:47] | Aval0n: | =/ |
| [01:33:48] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [01:33:52] | DustyBin: | why dont you think so? |
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| [01:33:59] | Aval0n: | I kinda prefer blootube-wide or glass |
| [01:34:13] | plb: | hm where are juskis themes? |
| [01:34:14] | DustyBin: | i dont like big cheesie images of TVs |
| [01:34:16] | GreyFoxx: | I hate the colour scheme, but it's a nice theme |
| [01:34:17] | plb: | they are not up anymore |
| [01:34:26] | Aval0n: | then check out glass |
| [01:34:34] | GreyFoxx: | plb: most are in the mythtv source |
| [01:34:35] | DustyBin: | i havent looked at glass |
| [01:34:39] | Aval0n: | DustyBin: or just use lite or change the image |
| [01:34:44] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [01:34:46] | Aval0n: | glass is flippin sweet |
| [01:34:56] | Aval0n: | I run blootube-wide though |
| [01:35:10] | Aval0n: | those big cheesie images are very high res and look sharp on my plasma |
| [01:35:19] | plb: | glass is in mythtv source as well? |
| [01:35:20] | Aval0n: | and the Tv it shows looks just like mine.. |
| [01:35:24] | Aval0n: | I doubt it |
| [01:35:34] | plb: | juski site isn't up anymore? |
| [01:35:36] | Aval0n: | you're gonna have to do some searching for glass |
| [01:35:37] | Aval0n: | nope |
| [01:35:41] | Aval0n: | juski stopped all together |
| [01:35:45] | plb: | damn |
| [01:35:47] | Aval0n: | no more theme support |
| [01:35:52] | Aval0n: | too many ppl bitching |
| [01:35:53] | DustyBin: | lol why not |
| [01:36:08] | Aval0n: | and like juski says |
| [01:36:13] | Aval0n: | "everyone likes mepo anyway" |
| [01:36:17] | DustyBin: | i remember him saying that all theme support goes into junk mail |
| [01:36:35] | plb: | the mepo custom osd is nice as well |
| [01:36:46] | DustyBin: | yes it is |
| [01:37:00] | DustyBin: | Metallurgy looks ok too |
| [01:37:11] | plb: | all though I have a big red bit on the osd bitching about my tuner |
| [01:38:03] | plb: | metallurgy is nice but I get some errors |
| [01:38:12] | DustyBin: | its still in dev |
| [01:38:21] | plb: | and doesn't look right on my 4:3 monitor lol |
| [01:38:25] | plb: | mepo looks good though |
| [01:38:40] | DustyBin: | mepo + retro are my favourites |
| [01:38:54] | Aval0n: | I use blootube-wide + retro |
| [01:39:02] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [01:39:27] | DustyBin: | Mettallurgy OSD looks nice |
| [01:39:30] | DustyBin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Metallurgy_osd.png |
| [01:39:57] | plb: | ya |
| [01:40:30] | DustyBin: | its retros simplicity what makes it nice |
| [01:40:43] | DustyBin: | the images used are not cheesie, they look nice |
| [01:40:53] | DustyBin: | well cut out and shadowed |
| [01:41:30] | plb: | I used Gray OSD for along time as well |
| [01:41:31] | plb: | heh |
| [01:42:15] | plb: | The MythXface is nice too almost forgot ;] |
| [01:42:20] | plb: | needs a matching osd though |
| [01:43:31] | Aval0n: | uhm |
| [01:43:38] | Aval0n: | mythxface looks flipping sweet |
| [01:43:46] | Aval0n: | how was I unaware of that theme? |
| [01:43:51] | Aval0n: | is it en espanol |
| [01:43:54] | plb: | I don't know lol |
| [01:44:03] | plb: | nope |
| [01:44:09] | plb: | the website is but not the theme |
| [01:44:26] | plb: | Mepo theme may actually go well with it |
| [01:44:31] | plb: | mepo osd I mean |
| [01:44:43] | Aval0n: | metalurgy osd with it |
| [01:45:54] | plb: | perhaps |
| [01:46:06] | Aval0n: | looks like a memory hog though :) |
| [01:46:18] | plb: | mepo osd is green and black which is why I think it would go good ;] |
| [01:47:55] | Aval0n: | woops |
| [01:47:55] | Aval0n: | wrong one |
| [01:47:56] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [01:48:03] | Aval0n: | err |
| [01:48:05] | Aval0n: | :P |
| [01:48:34] | DustyBin: | how about a windows xp theme |
| [01:48:58] | DustyBin: | with a image of mr gates on the main menu |
| [01:49:31] | TelnetManta: | can anyone tell me how to fix this? When I start mythtv-setup it tries to connect to my backend on its old IP address. What do I edit to fix this? |
| [01:51:39] | plb: | no way |
| [01:53:02] | Justin__: | any opinions on what is the most stable linux distro for a mythtv frontend/backend? |
| [01:53:27] | GreyFoxx: | Slackware. But I'm biased |
| [01:53:39] | DustyBin: | Justin__: would you mind changing your nickname into something else as your nick gets mixed up with juski theme justin |
| [01:53:49] | DustyBin: | unless thats you! |
| [01:54:06] | Justin__: | this is my registered nick |
| [01:54:19] | Justin__: | and no im not "that" justin |
| [01:54:19] | DustyBin: | so that means you wont change it? |
| [01:54:27] | TelnetManta: | he is Juski, right! |
| [01:54:36] | TelnetManta: | oh |
| [01:54:37] | DustyBin: | haha yes |
| [01:54:37] | TelnetManta: | lol |
| [01:55:02] | TelnetManta: | anybody have any idea abt my lil problem? |
| [01:55:17] | TelnetManta: | where does myth store its backend connection info on a frontend? |
| [01:55:24] | DustyBin: | TelnetManta: mythtv-setup |
| [01:55:29] | TelnetManta: | tried that |
| [01:55:36] | DustyBin: | the first menu, put in the correct IP, you need to do it 3 times |
| [01:55:39] | TelnetManta: | it tries to connect to the backend IP and segfaults |
| [01:55:57] | GreyFoxx: | mythtv-setup doesn't connect to the backend, but it does try the database in your mysql.txt |
| [01:56:05] | DustyBin: | TelnetManta: if you havent got anything important on your database do a fresh compile of .21 fixes |
| [01:56:08] | GreyFoxx: | if that points to the incorrect IP iut could be a problem |
| [01:56:16] | TelnetManta: | where it mysql.txt? |
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| [01:57:04] | GreyFoxx: | TelnetManta: lots of potential places. usually ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt of the user you normally run the apps with |
| [01:57:10] | TelnetManta: | found it |
| [01:57:19] | DustyBin: | TelnetManta: have a look inside .mythtv ? |
| [01:57:41] | TelnetManta: | yep, thats where I got it |
| [01:57:48] | TelnetManta: | it had the old IP in it |
| [01:59:34] | DustyBin: | with the aid of mythtv i can now record stuff i would usually miss, including this |
| [01:59:38] | DustyBin: | Direct Download My Penis and Everyone Else's Fri Mar 28, 2008 (12:20 AM) 7 – BBC THREE 1 hr 2 mins 2 GB |
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| [02:01:24] | Agrajag-: | i think i've seen that, is that the doco made by that UK guy who has a small penis? |
| [02:02:51] | Justin__: | is there any reason why suddenly today I can't get a signal lock on my HDHR or firewire? It's stuck flickering between Lock and Partial Lock, rendering the entire frontend unresponsive. The video/audio is playing, but jerky. There doesn't appear to be any way to get off this screen. |
| [02:05:18] | Justin__: | i would guess its my cable, but watching on the cable box itself is fine |
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| [02:06:29] | TelnetManta: | how can I tell exactly what build of trunk Im running? I just installed this frontend today so I think my backend is different as now myhtv-setup wants to do a DB schema upgrade on my backend |
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| [02:07:05] | wagner: | mythfrontend --version |
| [02:07:30] | wagner: | should be the second line |
| [02:08:17] | TelnetManta: | wow, im way behind on my backend. I just built it a few weeks ago lol |
| [02:08:56] | TelnetManta: | FE: 16817 / BE: 15856M |
| [02:09:12] | TelnetManta: | even different protocol versions |
| [02:09:16] | wagner: | is that still a beta revision? |
| [02:12:28] | GreyFoxx: | TelnetManta: 158** is long before 0.21 came out :) |
| [02:13:17] | wagner: | my build was shortly after 0.21 came out and is 16468 |
| [02:15:22] | TelnetManta: | hmm |
| [02:24:56] | ** DustyBin fiddles with GreyFoxx mythweb and gets his box to record eastenders ** | |
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| [03:07:22] | H00chster: | GreyFoxx, by chance do you got that stuff for the msntv2 tonight? |
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| [03:31:13] | Eemak: | hi friends |
| [03:31:15] | Eemak: | what's the best way to deal with this |
| [03:31:17] | Eemak: | 2008-03–27 22:30:52.734 NVP: Video is 3.99422 frames ahead of audio, |
| [03:31:19] | Eemak: | doubling video frame interval to slow down. |
| [03:31:21] | Eemak: | 2008-03–27 22:31:05.348 NVP: Video is 3.67023 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up. |
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| [03:32:57] | clever: | moar cpu! |
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| [03:33:39] | Eemak: | i have a 2ghz cpu |
| [03:33:44] | clever: | nice |
| [03:34:05] | Eemak: | it just seems to be happening worse lately than before |
| [03:34:05] | Eemak: | so i was wondering if some preference i had was off |
| [03:34:05] | clever: | i somehow get it working on 400mhz:P |
| [03:34:05] | Deek: | that's almost good enough. ;) |
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| [03:34:29] | Deek: | though mine spends most of its time running at 1GHz |
| [03:34:47] | Deek: | and tickless, too! :) |
| [03:41:57] | RyeBrye: | Anyone here know much about cable TV installation? |
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| [03:42:30] | RyeBrye: | I was outside my house today looking at my lawn, and saw my cable company boxes there – and popped them open out of curiosity (they aren't locked or anything) |
| [03:42:50] | mchou: | lol |
| [03:42:53] | RyeBrye: | I have two boxes – one that I'm curently using is just a simple thing – line comes in, and is spliced into the line running into my house... pretty easy to understand |
| [03:42:58] | mchou: | stealing cable? :) |
| [03:43:04] | RyeBrye: | No.. . I pay |
| [03:43:18] | RyeBrye: | My local cable company is a good one – the city I'm in owns and manages it |
| [03:43:24] | mchou: | that's what they all say :) |
| [03:43:27] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [03:43:48] | RyeBrye: | the box next to mine had a bunch series of big tube-looking filters on it though |
| [03:44:00] | RyeBrye: | it had three of them, each about an inch in diameter and about four or five inches long |
| [03:44:02] | mchou: | yup |
| [03:44:05] | RyeBrye: | What are those things? |
| [03:44:16] | mchou: | like you said. Filters |
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| [03:44:39] | mchou: | your neighbors dont subscribe to premium channels |
| [03:44:41] | RyeBrye: | I'm wondering if they were left over from a previous cable co |
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| [03:44:54] | RyeBrye: | Oh – so those filters cut out certain channels? |
| [03:44:57] | mchou: | RyeBrye: I doubt it |
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| [03:45:01] | PatrickDK: | they could be several different things |
| [03:45:06] | PatrickDK: | would have to read them to know for sure |
| [03:45:07] | RyeBrye: | They aren't connected to anything |
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| [03:45:21] | RyeBrye: | I can go out and get the numbers off of them – or snap a picture of them |
| [03:45:34] | mchou: | yeah, do that |
| [03:45:45] | mchou: | preferably during the day |
| [03:45:48] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [03:45:50] | mchou: | no flash pls |
| [03:46:23] | RyeBrye: | I have a porch light right next to them, and a high-iso sensitive camera... I'll see if I can get one to turn out now |
| [03:46:28] | RyeBrye: | but if not, I'll snap one tomorrow |
| [03:46:28] | PatrickDK: | no cheap camera flash :) |
| [03:46:59] | frank23: | RyeBrye: filters cut out channels. you can imagine what happens when they are removed ;-) |
| [03:46:59] | mchou: | bah. high iso camera |
| [03:47:10] | PatrickDK: | must be 35mm :) |
| [03:47:15] | mchou: | I believe it when I see it |
| [03:47:17] | PatrickDK: | cause digital doesn't do iso's |
| [03:47:31] | mchou: | digital has "virtual iso" |
| [03:47:40] | PatrickDK: | iso equiv |
| [03:47:48] | mchou: | same diff :) |
| [03:47:57] | mchou: | bigger sensors always wins |
| [03:48:11] | Deek: | Filters also cut out unwanted frequencies. |
| [03:48:19] | PatrickDK: | a bigger single sensor |
| [03:48:30] | PatrickDK: | I haven't seen any good 3 or 4 sensor camera's yet |
| [03:48:33] | mchou: | frigging modern cameras with quadrillion megapixels |
| [03:48:43] | mchou: | lame |
| [03:49:13] | frank23: | Deek: yes but AFAIK they aren't used for that in those cable boxes |
| [03:49:16] | PatrickDK: | channel 18 is the worst channel for a cable company to use |
| [03:50:00] | mchou: | Fuji makes big sensor cameras |
| [03:50:27] | mchou: | well, bigger than most of the "consumer" competitors |
| [03:50:58] | mchou: | they generally don't saturate |
| [03:51:06] | ** PatrickDK sticks with his nikon 12mpix ** | |
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| [03:51:15] | mchou: | unlike the POS from everyone else |
| [03:51:18] | RyeBrye: | It's a cannon digicam – but for portable cam's it has really good lowlight according to dpreview |
| [03:51:19] | PatrickDK: | I hate nikon is getting so closed |
| [03:51:22] | RyeBrye: | I got some shots |
| [03:51:24] | PatrickDK: | but well, I like their stuff |
| [03:51:32] | RyeBrye: | I used a flashlight and it only wanted to use ISO 200 – so they should be good :) |
| [03:51:37] | hti_pro: | go problems playing dvd isos in mythvideo |
| [03:51:48] | RyeBrye: | I'm pretty sure they are old filters that aren't used anymore – since nothing is on the other end of them... |
| [03:51:49] | mchou: | RyeBrye: no, you forget about bloom |
| [03:52:25] | RyeBrye: | I think I have the highest analog subscription available |
| [03:52:25] | Deek: | frank23: they are sometimes used to keep various non-TV frequencies from interfering with your TV signal. |
| [03:53:29] | mchou: | RyeBrye: which Canon model? |
| [03:53:36] | RyeBrye: | mchou: sd870 |
| [03:53:42] | mchou: | bah |
| [03:53:50] | hti_pro: | while mythvideo is searching out css's it comes back with this Invalid IFO for title 25 (VTS_25_0.IFO). |
| [03:54:08] | RyeBrye: | It's my "carry-in-my-pocket-everywhere" camera |
| [03:54:09] | hti_pro: | anyone have a clue |
| [03:54:10] | mchou: | RyeBrye: that's no camera :) |
| [03:54:21] | RyeBrye: | I can't exactly fit a DSLR in my pocket |
| [03:54:25] | RyeBrye: | unless I get really baggy pants |
| [03:54:30] | PatrickDK: | hmm, my transmitter is still screwing up channel 18 |
| [03:54:41] | hti_pro: | it plays fine on the master backend where it is stored, its shared using samba to frontend |
| [03:54:43] | PatrickDK: | even with my quadshielded cable, and every cable terminated :( |
| [03:54:45] | mchou: | RyeBrye: improves the "package" lol :) |
| [03:55:29] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [03:55:36] | mchou: | bigger sensors are what's needed |
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| [03:55:41] | RyeBrye: | "Is that a 400mm zoom lens, or are you just happy to see me?" |
| [03:55:44] | hti_pro: | im using the internal dvd player. what packages are required, I have libdvdread and libdvdcss |
| [03:55:57] | PatrickDK: | 400mm? |
| [03:55:58] | VanessaE: | Hi folks. Now that my digital tuner card is working, I've pointed mythtv at it. I can watch tv ok, but is there some way to get mythtv to conceal mpeg errors, particular audio? ATSC isn't very pleasant to watch if the stream doesn't come in perfectly. |
| [03:56:05] | PatrickDK: | heh, start with a nice 1200mm :) |
| [03:56:11] | PatrickDK: | nice 15" |
| [03:56:21] | hti_pro: | anyone??? |
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| [03:56:57] | mchou: | VanessaE: pretty much outta luck |
| [03:57:12] | mchou: | VanessaE: better antenna or move :) |
| [03:57:25] | hti_pro: | anyone in here actually talkin about mythtv????????? |
| [03:57:29] | mchou: | VanessaE: or get cable |
| [03:57:34] | VanessaE: | bah |
| [03:57:39] | mchou: | hti_pro: sure, everyone |
| [03:57:49] | mchou: | hti_pro: stop complaining |
| [03:57:57] | hti_pro: | nobody knows about mythvideo playing isos |
| [03:58:02] | mchou: | hti_pro: wait your turn |
| [03:58:27] | hti_pro: | well you just let me know when its my turn then |
| [03:58:40] | VanessaE: | seems like it would be trivial to add – if myth can't decompress an audio packet without an error, return a string of 0x80 or something? |
| [03:58:56] | mchou: | hti_pro: your turn is defined by whenever someone answers your q |
| [03:59:20] | VanessaE: | (or does mpeg not use error-detection features?) |
| [03:59:37] | mchou: | VanessaE: audio would be the least of your problems lol |
| [03:59:44] | VanessaE: | not really, mchou |
| [03:59:49] | VanessaE: | I can deal with corrupt video |
| [03:59:57] | mchou: | VanessaE: if you are getting audio errors your signal is very bad |
| [04:00:00] | VanessaE: | corrupt audio is an assult on my ears. |
| [04:00:04] | VanessaE: | er, assault |
| [04:00:52] | VanessaE: | know what I mean? |
| [04:01:00] | mchou: | bah |
| [04:01:19] | mchou: | that's when CC comes in handy :) |
| [04:01:31] | mchou: | turn down the volume all the way :) |
| [04:01:36] | VanessaE: | eh, if the stream is corrupt, I doubt CC is going to decode :) |
| [04:02:00] | mchou: | VanessaE: like I said, you have bigger problems to take care of first |
| [04:02:14] | RyeBrye: | mchou et al : http://gallery.mac.com/m1928#100001 has images of that cable box |
| [04:02:15] | VanessaE: | *sigh* |
| [04:02:38] | RyeBrye: | don't let the .mac part bug you :) |
| [04:02:39] | VanessaE: | I don't have the resources to solve this problem. |
| [04:02:53] | mchou: | RyeBrye: no, flash does, however |
| [04:03:04] | VanessaE: | hm, a bunch of RF traps? |
| [04:03:14] | RyeBrye: | mchou: sorry :( |
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| [04:03:30] | ** VanessaE needs to talk to one of the devs. ** | |
| [04:03:56] | RyeBrye: | The box that I'm currently using has none of those in it – so I think they may be from Comcast or something from a previous homeowner |
| [04:04:07] | mchou: | VanessaE: I doubt the devs would be sympathetic to your plight |
| [04:04:32] | ** VanessaE grumbles ** | |
| [04:04:41] | VanessaE: | error correction is a basic feature of any decent codec. |
| [04:04:48] | VanessaE: | (or at least, error concealing) |
| [04:04:52] | RyeBrye: | mythtv doesn't have its own codecs though |
| [04:04:54] | RyeBrye: | it uses existing ones |
| [04:04:56] | VanessaE: | Yeah, I know |
| [04:05:02] | RyeBrye: | so you should talk to ffmpeg |
| [04:05:06] | RyeBrye: | not MythTV |
| [04:05:07] | RyeBrye: | :P |
| [04:05:31] | VanessaE: | hrm |
| [04:05:43] | RyeBrye: | you can adjust the playback codec in your playback settings and try a different one |
| [04:05:45] | mchou: | RyeBrye: the pictures are interesting |
| [04:06:02] | mchou: | RyeBrye: but not for the reasons you ask |
| [04:06:05] | VanessaE: | I have tried a couple so far |
| [04:06:11] | RyeBrye: | mchou: what's interesting about it? |
| [04:06:15] | VanessaE: | (the rest don't look like they'd work on my my setup) |
| [04:06:38] | mchou: | RyeBrye: it's interesting the box is on the side of someone's house |
| [04:06:54] | RyeBrye: | mchou: where are they normally? |
| [04:07:15] | mchou: | RyeBrye: by the curb generally |
| [04:07:26] | RyeBrye: | All of them in my neighborhood are on the side of our houses... wonder why |
| [04:07:33] | mchou: | nice and green in my neighborhood |
| [04:07:48] | mchou: | RyeBrye: who is youre cableco? |
| [04:07:57] | mchou: | your* |
| [04:08:00] | RyeBrye: | spanish fork cable |
| [04:08:05] | RyeBrye: | http://sfcn.org |
| [04:08:07] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [04:08:13] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, it's a small community-owned cableco |
| [04:08:38] | mchou: | cant reach the web site |
| [04:08:56] | RyeBrye: | Wouldn't surprise me if they had a dumb sysadmin... try http://www.sfcn.org |
| [04:08:56] | mchou: | ok, nm |
| [04:09:05] | RyeBrye: | they might not have their alias set up correctly for no www |
| [04:09:47] | RyeBrye: | The internet service is really nice though... unlike comcast – they actually upgrade their hardware regularly to keep speeds up and stuff... |
| [04:09:56] | mchou: | RyeBrye: you mormon? |
| [04:10:11] | RyeBrye: | Why? because everyone in Utah is mormon? ;) |
| [04:10:19] | mchou: | yeah, pretty much |
| [04:10:21] | mchou: | :) |
| [04:10:23] | RyeBrye: | Well.. yeah :) |
| [04:10:27] | RyeBrye: | but I didn't grow up in Utah |
| [04:10:42] | mchou: | RyeBrye: that excuse doesnt redeem ya |
| [04:10:44] | mchou: | :) |
| [04:11:53] | RyeBrye: | Utah does have good internet... the towns next to us have a fiber network called "utopia" that's really nice |
| [04:12:05] | mchou: | lol |
| [04:12:09] | RyeBrye: | http://www.utopianet.org/ :) |
| [04:12:15] | mchou: | frigging mormons and their names |
| [04:12:23] | mchou: | WTF |
| [04:13:03] | mchou: | "utopia" lol |
| [04:13:43] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, it's a little over-the-top name-wise... but I'd take fiber to my house over 802.11b in my city any day |
| [04:14:37] | mchou: | RyeBrye: so why do you have cable then? |
| [04:14:50] | RyeBrye: | because I haen't moved to Utopia yet :) |
| [04:14:51] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [04:14:52] | mchou: | I mean just use utopia |
| [04:15:28] | mchou: | spanish fork must be the ghetto side of town then :) |
| [04:15:40] | RyeBrye: | Yeah... I'm not in a Utopia city... Spanish Fork did the whole SFCN thing and gave other municipalities the idea to do their own thing – and when they decided to do it fiber was a possibility |
| [04:15:46] | RyeBrye: | (i.e. it was more cost-effective) |
| [04:16:19] | mchou: | ftth was more cost effective? |
| [04:16:25] | mchou: | wow |
| [04:16:32] | mchou: | I must be out of it |
| [04:16:44] | RyeBrye: | well – more cost-effective than it was before |
| [04:16:50] | RyeBrye: | i.e. had dropped enough in price that it was feasible |
| [04:17:11] | mchou: | the only way ftth is more cost effective is in green fields |
| [04:17:31] | mchou: | i.e. pretty much all new construction |
| [04:17:52] | RyeBrye: | I think the cities that they've hit up first were ones with lots of new construction |
| [04:18:09] | mchou: | well, that makes more sense |
| [04:18:14] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
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| [04:19:51] | Kernel: | hello all. i seem to having some video tearing while watching tv. it appears at the top part of the screen...about 3 inches from the top. |
| [04:20:23] | Kernel: | i had a issue like this using the newer nvidia drivers so i have been sticking with the older ones...which has worked fine up untill recently. |
| [04:20:51] | mchou: | in any case those just look more or less like notch filters |
| [04:20:57] | mchou: | RyeBrye: ^^ |
| [04:21:11] | Kernel: | and i just recently upgraded mythtv..and i belive that is when the problem came back. i have just tried upgrading to the latest nvidia driver to see if it has been fixed and it hasnt |
| [04:31:22] | Cackette: | How come when i go to Watch Videos on Myth its old stuff |
| [04:31:34] | Cackette: | i deleted a movie and added one, but the deleted one is still there, and the new one isnt |
| [04:32:17] | Kernel: | goto utilities/setup |
| [04:32:23] | Kernel: | video manager |
| [04:32:32] | Kernel: | it rescans your folder for new or if old ones are gone |
| [04:37:55] | Cackette: | kk |
| [04:47:53] | Kernel: | i found a article on the wiki about tearing but it mentions rtc which according to mythtv im not using. im using SGI OpenGL |
| [04:51:31] | Kernel: | ok nice. i disabled the option to use nvidias vsync and it appears to have fixed my problem. |
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| [09:11:38] | kabtoffe: | Are the mythtv developers aware that mythtv can't detect duplicates if they contain scandinavian characters. It might be a character encoding problem though. |
| [09:12:34] | kabtoffe: | the descriptions that is |
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| [09:40:35] | hashbang: | heyas |
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| [10:15:43] | DustyBin: | ive compiled mythtv .21 on debian etch, however, debian etch contains a lot of old libraries / software, what other bits and pieces does one recommend updating / compiling myself to make .21 work even more smoothly, im thinking on the lines of mplayer and ffmpeg, is there anything else? |
| [10:17:14] | directhex|bsp: | mythtv does not use mplayer, and has its own local copy of ffmpeg |
| [10:17:51] | DustyBin: | what about old nvidia drivers and new nvidia drivers, would that make any difference? |
| [10:18:39] | directhex|bsp: | you don't know a safe way of updating the video drivers on debian, and no, they wouldn't improve matters |
| [10:18:51] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [10:19:15] | DustyBin: | directhex|bsp: the safest way would be for me to do a distro upgrade to lenny |
| [10:19:29] | DustyBin: | but i dont think i will nother |
| [10:19:41] | directhex|bsp: | the safest way to update a video driver is to update 2000 system packages to an unreleased beta? |
| [10:19:57] | DustyBin: | maybe not.. |
| [10:20:05] | DustyBin: | but it would work, debian are good! |
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| [10:23:50] | DustyBin: | i cannot get mythweb to playback my recordings using flash |
| [10:23:53] | DustyBin: | It currently expects that ffmpeg is installed and compiled with mp3 support, and that the recordings files are accessible to your webserver userid. It probably won't work with Nupplevideo files, and in the end, it may just not work at all (or maybe even worse). |
| [10:24:31] | DustyBin: | to get it working that means i will need to compile ffmpeg with mp3 support ? |
| [10:25:08] | justinh: | aye |
| [10:25:31] | justinh: | or use the debian multimedia repos |
| [10:25:37] | DustyBin: | what version of ffmpeg? there is 2 and 3 ? |
| [10:26:10] | DustyBin: | justinh: already have ffmpeg installed using debian multimedia repo |
| [10:26:22] | DustyBin: | but i dont think the binaries have mp3 support |
| [10:26:41] | directhex|bsp: | DustyBin, ffmpeg --help 2>&1 | grep mp3 |
| [10:26:47] | DustyBin: | Enable this feature at your own risk, and don't expect too much official help until it has left the experimental phase |
| [10:27:36] | DustyBin: | directhex|bsp: nothing showed |
| [10:28:15] | directhex|bsp: | DustyBin, then it's not built with mp3 support. you're *sure* it's the debian-multimedia package? |
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| [10:28:56] | DustyBin: | directhex|bsp: i didnt compile it myself, ffmpeg wouldnt be in the offical repos, so the only place i got it from must be the debian multimedia repos |
| [10:30:02] | DustyBin: | ffmpeg – audio/video encoder, streaming server & audio/video file converter |
| [10:32:48] | DustyBin: | no way, it wasnt installed |
| [10:32:55] | DustyBin: | only libraries for it were installed |
| [10:33:15] | DustyBin: | it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [10:33:20] | DustyBin: | thanks :D |
| [10:34:12] | DustyBin: | i just tested it with HTTPS, that doesnt work, but it works fine with HTTP |
| [10:35:46] | Agrajag-: | g'day, since upgrading to 0.21 i'm getting "DVBChan(1:0) Error: SetChannelByString(281): Failed to initialize multiplex options", so i can't record at all. can't figure out what's going on |
| [10:36:25] | DustyBin: | 320KBPS video bitrate looks nice |
| [10:37:11] | DustyBin: | Agrajag-: make sure your using the latest firmware / drivers for your TV card |
| [10:38:14] | Agrajag-: | hmm i'm using a standard 2.6.22 debian kernel |
| [10:38:45] | DustyBin: | that is not standard |
| [10:38:49] | DustyBin: | are you using lenny? |
| [10:39:09] | Agrajag-: | yup |
| [10:39:16] | DustyBin: | 2.6.22 is pretty old now, you need to install the latest drivers |
| [10:39:30] | DustyBin: | if i use the Nova-T 500 drivers in the 2.6.22 i have problems |
| [10:39:45] | Agrajag-: | ok.. i'll try that right after i try doing a scan again |
| [10:39:51] | hashbang: | DustyBin: any luck with your RGB SCART box? |
| [10:40:05] | DustyBin: | Agrajag-: http://www.linuxtv.org/ <-- find your TV card and install the drivers |
| [10:40:09] | hashbang: | DustyBin: watch out; 2.6.24 and recent v4l-dvb drivers from Mercurial caused me problems |
| [10:40:14] | hashbang: | DustyBin: with my Nova-T-500 |
| [10:40:20] | hashbang: | DustyBin: 2.6.23 seems safe+good |
| [10:40:33] | Dagmar: | hashbang: USB model? |
| [10:40:41] | Dagmar: | ...and you say 2.6.23 works? |
| [10:40:47] | Dagmar: | Doesn't mysteriously lose a tuner? |
| [10:40:53] | hashbang: | Dagmar: all Nova-T-500s are USB |
| [10:40:57] | hashbang: | Dagmar: internally |
| [10:40:58] | Agrajag-: | DustyBin: i think i'd rather just use the modules that come with the kernel.. so i might as well just upgrade kernel.. or downgrade mythtv until i can be bothered |
| [10:41:05] | DustyBin: | hashbang: my VGA leads should arrive this morning, and ill give it a go |
| [10:41:07] | hashbang: | Dagmar: 2.6.24 has that problem, it seems |
| [10:41:21] | Dagmar: | hashbang: Yeah, but some of them aren't wedged into a PCI card |
| [10:41:21] | hashbang: | Dagmar: and the mercurial drivers caused two hard lock ups in as many hours |
| [10:41:47] | DustyBin: | Agrajag-: aye ok.. compiling the drivers from linuxtv will give you a guaranteed good result, but the choice is yours |
| [10:41:52] | Dagmar: | Okay, I'll make a note of it for when the next Nova-T 500 user comes up with that same problem |
| [10:42:06] | hashbang: | Dagmar: eh? Hauppauge make Nova-T USB sticks, but all Nova-T-*500*s are PCI cards with an internal USB |
| [10:42:28] | Dagmar: | I was under the impression they had external ones |
| [10:42:40] | hashbang: | Dagmar: yup, Nova-T USB sticks |
| [10:42:51] | hashbang: | Dagmar: note the lack of '500' though |
| [10:43:03] | DustyBin: | 10:42:11 up 6 days, 12:44, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.26, 0.17 <-- Nova-T 500, no mythbackend restarts, flat out recording using multirec, no problems at all, thats with the latest linuxtv drivers and EIT turned off |
| [10:43:24] | ** hashbang uses EIT and multirec on his Nova-T-500 ** | |
| [10:43:39] | Dagmar: | Ahhh |
| [10:43:49] | hashbang: | I could probably switch to just doing EIT on my plain single-tuner Nova-T |
| [10:43:49] | DustyBin: | Nova-T 500 do not like EIT turned on at all |
| [10:43:56] | hashbang: | DustyBin: works here. |
| [10:44:16] | hashbang: | DustyBin: I think the v4l-dvb guys have introduced some regressions over the last few months |
| [10:44:31] | hashbang: | DustyBin: and, sadly, they've made their way into the 2.6.24 kernel |
| [10:44:46] | Agrajag-: | eh. dvb channel scan failed horribly. looks like i'll need newer dvb stuff. ta |
| [10:44:47] | hashbang: | ubuntu folks are reporting similar things (I use FC8) |
| [10:44:56] | DustyBin: | maybe i need a newer kernel, becuse the problem is down to the way the usb is handled rather than the actual nova-t drivers |
| [10:45:11] | hashbang: | DustyBin: que? |
| [10:45:19] | DustyBin: | not sure what that is |
| [10:45:31] | hashbang: | DustyBin: you've disabled USB autosuspend, right? |
| [10:45:46] | DustyBin: | yes but the kernel didnt detect it |
| [10:45:55] | hashbang: | DustyBin: didn't detect what? |
| [10:46:24] | DustyBin: | there is a special kernel command what turns off usb auto suspend |
| [10:46:30] | DustyBin: | for the nova -t cards |
| [10:46:39] | hashbang: | it's not a Nova-T thing |
| [10:47:01] | hashbang: | it's either a modular parameter if usbcore is a module, or a kernel boot option if it's compiled in |
| [10:47:21] | hashbang: | FC8 compiles usbcore in |
| [10:47:45] | directhex|bsp: | DustyBin, ffmpeg is in debian |
| [10:47:57] | directhex|bsp: | DustyBin, with bits missing |
| [10:50:13] | DustyBin: | i have this line in /etc/modprobe.d/options |
| [10:50:15] | DustyBin: | options usbcore autosuspend=-1 |
| [10:50:21] | DustyBin: | but the kernel doesnt detect it |
| [10:50:43] | hashbang: | DustyBin: the kernel doesn't read files |
| [10:50:43] | DustyBin: | however, if i use a newer kernel, 23+, the kernel does detect it |
| [10:50:48] | DustyBin: | oh ok |
| [10:51:04] | hashbang: | autosuspend may not have even been in pre-.23 kernels |
| [10:51:15] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [10:51:18] | hashbang: | modinfo -p usbcore |
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| [10:51:43] | Dagmar: | NOTHING you put in those files will affect drivers _built into the kernel_ |
| [10:51:55] | DustyBin: | autosuspend:default autosuspend delay |
| [10:51:55] | DustyBin: | blinkenlights:true to cycle leds on hubs |
| [10:51:55] | DustyBin: | old_scheme_first:start with the old device initialization scheme |
| [10:51:55] | DustyBin: | use_both_schemes:try the other device initialization scheme if the first one fails |
| [10:51:57] | Dagmar: | If your usbcore is built into the kernel, that options file isn't going to work. |
| [10:51:58] | DustyBin: | usbfs_snoop:true to log all usbfs traffic |
| [10:52:12] | hashbang: | Dagmar: looks like Debian compiles it as a module, though |
| [10:52:30] | hashbang: | Dagmar: but the version DustyBin has doesn't have an autosuspend option |
| [10:52:35] | Dagmar: | Then it should work |
| [10:52:48] | hashbang: | oops, I take that last line back |
| [10:53:18] | hashbang: | DustyBin: OK, you need to find where usbcore gets modprobe'd in the Debian initscripts |
| [10:53:42] | hashbang: | DustyBin: maybe it's being modprobe'd from an initrd or something |
| [10:53:46] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [10:54:00] | ** hashbang doesn't know his way around the bowels of Debian ** | |
| [10:55:11] | hashbang: | DustyBin: http://www.blackberryforums.com/linux-users-c . . . nd-mode.html |
| [10:55:20] | hashbang: | DustyBin: suggests I was right and your initrd needs rebuilding |
| [10:55:39] | DustyBin: | aye thanks :D |
| [10:57:42] | DustyBin: | i think Frosty also needs to do the same thing |
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| [11:01:02] | DustyBin: | I've had to restart the frontend quite a few times since i installed .21, it happens randomly, i could be watching TV or inside another menu, but when i escape back to the main menu, everything |
| [11:01:13] | DustyBin: | disappears apart from the background theme image |
| [11:01:39] | DustyBin: | i can still use the remote and blindly navigate into another menu or watch tv and it comes back |
| [11:01:50] | DustyBin: | but the main menu is blank apart from the themes background image |
| [11:02:34] | DustyBin: | ill try turning off opengl painter and see if the problem goes away |
| [11:02:37] | directhex|bsp: | DustyBin, stop using the qt menu renderer |
| [11:02:47] | DustyBin: | im using opengl |
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| [11:07:38] | ** hashbang updates Nova-T-500 page on linuxtv wiki ** | |
| [11:09:15] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~vy203/archives/2005 . . . -trial-ever/ |
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| [11:15:23] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: Judge: Then why are you not also up on a charge of Bible-stealing? |
| [11:15:23] | hashbang: | Chrysler: Because the Bibles do not belong to the hotels. They belong to the Gideon Society. And the Gideon Society has decided not to prosecute me, but to forgive me and tell me to go and sin no more. |
| [11:15:23] | hashbang: | Judge: And have you sinned no more? |
| [11:15:23] | hashbang: | Chrysler: Alas, no. |
| [11:23:14] | justinh: | woohooo! insurance company authorised payout on the 26th, so the car that was recovered yesterday isn't mine anymore :D |
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| [11:23:30] | hashbang: | justinh: congrats! :-) |
| [11:23:46] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, thank christ |
| [11:24:15] | justinh: | bout time I had some f*cking good news |
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| [11:24:43] | ** DustyBin logs into justinh mythweb and deletes all episodes of emmerdale ** | |
| [11:24:59] | justinh: | hahaha. make my day even better why don't you |
| [11:26:00] | DustyBin: | its time to boot into windows and play BF2 |
| [11:31:23] | hashbang: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7318173.stm |
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| [11:55:50] | directhex|bsp: | The HD DVD Promotion Group this week formally dissolved itself, marking the termination of the format. |
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| [11:57:35] | jduggan: | i bet the ppl involved with hddvd were gutted when it all went pete tong |
| [11:57:53] | Dagmar: | lol pete tong |
| [12:01:41] | cybergypsy: | I upgraded my ubuntu mythtv packages recently and discovered the ability to record multiple streams per satellite card – wow! how cool is that feature ? |
| [12:02:36] | cybergypsy: | anyone know the limits on the number of concurrent streams ? |
| [12:04:36] | justinh: | cybergypsy: the limit is hard-coded to 5 per transponder/multiplex |
| [12:05:06] | justinh: | however if you find the line containing the setting spinbox in videosource.cpp you can make it a higher number |
| [12:05:06] | cybergypsy: | justinh, thats stunning , thanks |
| [12:05:20] | justinh: | 5 was chosen to be a cautious value |
| [12:05:39] | justinh: | I've had 10 simultaneous recordings going on my 800mhz athlon box no problems |
| [12:06:20] | cybergypsy: | that is such a massive improvement in the mythtv code / functionality |
| [12:06:20] | justinh: | not even sata disks in that thing :) |
| [12:06:20] | justinh: | that's ten from one card :P |
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| [12:07:49] | hobbynutte: | hi all :) |
| [12:08:23] | ** hobbynutte is quite happy that the epg supports the switch to summer time on sunday, after 1:45 follows 3:00 yay :) ** | |
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| [12:23:51] | ** jduggan eats a dominos steak pizza ** | |
| [12:23:56] | jduggan: | love orderin pizza to work |
| [12:24:53] | ** lyricnz had pizza ** | |
| [12:33:48] | justinh: | damn wish I'd thought of that! |
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| [12:34:35] | justinh: | had one hell of a day so far – but met my deadline for getting machines out of the door & out of my hair. I just hope those upstairs don't fecking break them before they're shipped |
| [12:35:33] | justinh: | guess I can go ahead & order my new car stereo now though. might aswell get the steering control interface as well :) |
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| [12:47:03] | justinh: | heh. http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/03/27/goog . . . bian_losers/ |
| [12:48:48] | hashbang: | justinh: cool; I considered cranking up the multirec virtual tuners from the default of 2/physical tuner, but didn't want to break stuff. OTOH, it's rare that I even hit the sixth virtual tuner at the moment... |
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| [12:51:10] | justinh: | yeah well the only reason I did it was because I could, and wanted to see how it acted |
| [12:52:01] | justinh: | the scheduler was causing the bulk of CPU load, aside from periodic flurries of EIT data mysql transactions |
| [12:52:32] | justinh: | average was way under 25% load though – not bad going for a crappy old box like that athlon 800 with 512MB ram :) |
| [12:53:01] | hashbang: | yeah, I found recording from six channels simultaneously was only a little over double the workload of three simultaneously, which I was impressed by. |
| [12:53:05] | justinh: | dunno what it'd be like with a badly fragmented file system & files being expired left, right & centre :P |
| [12:53:16] | hashbang: | and six simultaneously was only ~15% of my Celeron 1.7GHz. |
| [12:53:59] | hashbang: | my Myth FE/BE now has a P4 2.53GHz, 'cos I got one on ebay for 20 quid. |
| [12:54:10] | hashbang: | makes mytharchive'ing quicker, too. |
| [12:54:59] | justinh: | I need to update my desktop machine. I'm thinking about going with the same setup as I have in my frontend |
| [12:55:04] | hashbang: | though lots of that is just down to increasing the FSB from 400MHz to 533MHz, I reckon. |
| [12:55:08] | justinh: | core2 duo mobile board & chip – under £100 |
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| [12:55:55] | hashbang: | justinh: not sure whether to bother upgrading my desktop. It's a six year old P4 2.4 with md RAID discs and a Radeon 9250 and still does everything I need quick enough. |
| [12:56:05] | hashbang: | oh, and 1.2GB RAM. |
| [12:56:20] | hashbang: | if I was running Windows, I guess I'd have needed to upgrade a while back. |
| [12:56:44] | justinh: | hell will freeze over before I let vista anywhere near a machine under my roof |
| [12:56:50] | hashbang: | oh, I guess it'd be nice if LAME ran a bit quicker, but that's pretty much the only CPU-bound thing it does. |
| [12:57:06] | justinh: | I don't often need CPU grunt but when I do, I really do |
| [12:57:08] | hashbang: | apart from busy wait when I hit a sucky bit of flash. |
| [12:57:36] | hashbang: | killall -15 npviewer.bin has become a habit, recently |
| [12:57:36] | justinh: | jesus. I can't believe my wife is moaning that the recovered car didn't have any of her stuff in it |
| [12:57:58] | hashbang: | justinh: makeup? |
| [12:58:18] | justinh: | her handbag was stolen in the breakin too but she seems pissed it didn't turn up with the car |
| [12:58:23] | hashbang: | justinh: ah |
| [12:58:42] | hashbang: | justinh: anything sentimental in there? |
| [12:58:56] | justinh: | neglecting the fact that the fat insurance cheque is winging its way to me and I'm not gonna be lumbered with an ex-stolen car to sell privately |
| [12:59:19] | hashbang: | HPI wipeout. :-( |
| [12:59:41] | justinh: | naw it was all paid for |
| [12:59:59] | hashbang: | naw, I mean if you had to try and sell something that had been reported as stolen. |
| [13:00:00] | justinh: | I just didn't want the car found before the ins. co. paid out – since I got a new one last week |
| [13:00:13] | justinh: | ah it's easy enough to make it un-stolen though |
| [13:00:20] | hashbang: | ah, cool. |
| [13:01:20] | justinh: | it'd still have been a major hassle though. ins. co. approved the payout on the 26th, car was recovered on the 27th. Lucky escape I'd say :D |
| [13:01:34] | hashbang: | heh |
| [13:01:55] | hashbang: | almost like one of the crooks a) had a heart and b) worked for your ins. co. |
| [13:02:09] | justinh: | thought it was all cut & dried last friday night when I saw the same make/model/colour/reg car burnt out on the wasteland near us |
| [13:02:27] | justinh: | bloody coincidence |
| [13:02:51] | justinh: | seat leons not being the most popular car in the world... not that colour... |
| [13:03:25] | hashbang: | justinh: one of my peeves is the way that joy-riding isn't considered theft, because there's no intent to permanently deprive the owner of his property. |
| [13:03:31] | justinh: | anyway. can write it off as history now & once my no-claims is back it'll be like nothing happened |
| [13:03:44] | hashbang: | justinh: so if it's recovered, and trashed, you can't get a 'theft' payout. |
| [13:04:03] | justinh: | yeah they repair it & you get to have it back |
| [13:04:12] | hashbang: | yippee-kay-fuckin'-ay. |
| [13:04:38] | justinh: | still though – exactly a month from claim to payout authorisation. I think I did well |
| [13:04:43] | lyricnz: | Yup |
| [13:04:57] | hashbang: | justinh: you got money out of an insurance company. I'd say you did well. |
| [13:04:59] | lyricnz: | My car caught fire and burnt out once. I had a check in 10 days. Woop. |
| [13:05:29] | ** lyricnz rebuilds frontend on mac, see if it works this time ** | |
| [13:05:40] | lyricnz: | Hoping for mac mini frontend for the bedroom |
| [13:06:15] | justinh: | jees! just worked out I've got over 65mpg out of my ickle 206 diesel! |
| [13:06:32] | justinh: | 310 miles out of half a tank.. 40L tank... |
| [13:06:43] | hashbang: | justinh: cool. I'll be happy if I get 40mpg out of the 1.8 Mondeo I'm looking at. |
| [13:07:07] | hashbang: | and 30 is tolerable. |
| [13:07:33] | justinh: | most of that was with its back box hanging off the pipe too |
| [13:08:20] | hashbang: | I've never found a new exhaust to improve efficiency noticeably, despite in theory making a difference. |
| [13:08:30] | hashbang: | maybe my right foot is just too heavy. :-) |
| [13:09:26] | justinh: | heh this wasn't just hanging off though – it wasn't actually touching the pipe |
| [13:09:31] | hashbang: | heh |
| [13:09:33] | hashbang: | farty. |
| [13:09:38] | justinh: | wasn't, actually |
| [13:09:47] | justinh: | only noticed when I saw it |
| [13:10:24] | justinh: | maybe just aswell I didn't get a full trip computer with the car – I'd not have believed it! |
| [13:10:37] | justinh: | it's saying 70mpg.... must be a duffer! |
| [13:10:54] | hashbang: | I don't think the early Zetecs have a computer. :-( |
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| [13:15:53] | justinh: | wheels are considered optional extras on Ford cars |
| [13:16:14] | justinh: | oh, you want SEATS? that'll be another £500 and you have to upgrade to the next model up! |
| [13:17:39] | hashbang: | justinh: ITYM 'BMW' |
| [13:17:55] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [13:18:04] | Dagmar: | If it was a BMW the seats and all would not be optional. |
| [13:18:30] | Dagmar: | You'd also be required to take the wrench kit for the boot, a dozen strange blinking sensors, and "the device that goes ping" |
| [13:18:55] | justinh: | hashbang: I was looking at Fiestas & Focuses the other week – most of them didn't even come with leccy windows as standard! |
| [13:19:05] | Dagmar: | It took me months to find out that the "ping" means "This is the temperature at which bridges and overpasses might have iced over." |
| [13:19:23] | hashbang: | justinh: crikey. Even Mondeo LX has leccy windows in the front and A/C |
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| [13:21:05] | nordenm: | hehe |
| [13:21:09] | nordenm: | saab is the way to go ;) |
| [13:21:20] | Dagmar: | Too many vowels. |
| [13:21:25] | Dagmar: | You can't trust ;em |
| [13:21:25] | nordenm: | it's just one |
| [13:21:34] | Dagmar: | It's _one too damn many_. |
| [13:21:34] | nordenm: | one loong |
| [13:21:38] | justinh: | saab might be the way to go if you have 30 grand to spare |
| [13:21:43] | hashbang: | Dagmar: tata as well, presumably? |
| [13:22:00] | hashbang: | justinh: turbo hurty wallet. |
| [13:22:09] | Dagmar: | hashbang: That one's got the vowels spread out where they can't get up to trouble without a consonant noticing. |
| [13:22:09] | nordenm: | a classic 900 turbo is cheap both to buy and in spare parts... and they are just wonderful to drive :) |
| [13:22:11] | justinh: | hashbang: yay for cars whose bodywork can be repaired with papier mache (cos that's what they're made of) |
| [13:22:15] | hashbang: | Dagmar: lol |
| [13:22:29] | Dagmar: | Have any of you guys taken the Security+ exam? |
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| [13:22:50] | Dagmar: | I'm going to take it once I can get rid of the jitters, but these _practice exams_ are not helping. |
| [13:22:54] | Dagmar: | They are full of stupid. |
| [13:22:59] | hashbang: | Dagmar: nope, no exams since the vendor certs (CheckPoint, mostly) at my last employer |
| [13:23:35] | ** lyricnz needs to take a bunch of WebSphere certs next month, I reckon. ** | |
| [13:23:38] | Dagmar: | One of the questions was if you were setting up a network that had as a requirement that remote users be able to reach your intranet, which protocol is most important. |
| [13:23:41] | Dagmar: | I chose RAS. |
| [13:23:47] | Dagmar: | These morons think it's DHCP. |
| [13:23:47] | lyricnz: | ipsec :) |
| [13:24:04] | Dagmar: | That's "Are you HIGH?" answer if I ever saw one. |
| [13:24:04] | ** hashbang is with lyricnz ** | |
| [13:24:08] | nordenm: | ehm |
| [13:24:26] | nordenm: | you can't go wrong with three-letter-acronyms |
| [13:24:35] | Dagmar: | I *guess* that's what they're on about |
| [13:24:48] | Dagmar: | Out of 100 questions there were almost a dozen just that insane. |
| [13:25:23] | Dagmar: | I'm like... wait... if I'm supposed to get 83 questions out of 100 right, and twelve of them are incredibly stupid, that means I have to actually score 98% to pass. |
| [13:25:52] | ** lyricnz is an platform/infrastructure guy – leaves the bit-moving to the (slackass) commsguys ** | |
| [13:25:57] | Dagmar: | Hmm... thank god there's no simple math problems on it. |
| [13:26:09] | nordenm: | what's RAS? :) |
| [13:26:17] | lyricnz: | microsoft crap, isn't it? |
| [13:26:21] | Dagmar: | Remote Authentication/Access Service. |
| [13:26:29] | nordenm: | in my world it's memory timings |
| [13:26:30] | nordenm: | ah |
| [13:26:32] | Dagmar: | The thing that gets remote users on the network. |
| [13:26:38] | Dagmar: | So um, kinda important. |
| [13:26:43] | nordenm: | quite a bi |
| [13:26:44] | nordenm: | t |
| [13:26:44] | hashbang: | Dagmar: before IPSec got widespread |
| [13:26:57] | Dagmar: | hashbang: Oh hell, *old* information doesn't bother me |
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| [13:27:28] | Dagmar: | There was a question on the CISSP exam about the old VMS "CRASH" utility, as well as "SUPERZAP" |
| [13:27:28] | Dagmar: | The only reason I knew the right answers was because I was breaking into those when I was 14. |
| [13:27:29] | hashbang: | Dagmar: as long as there's a copyright/revision date on the paper, so you know what year you're supposed to be answering from... :-) |
| [13:27:39] | ** lyricnz idles, waiting for frontend to build.... sheesh ** | |
| [13:28:09] | nordenm: | I wish there was a way to get my floppydtv to work under linux :( |
| [13:28:18] | ** nordenm misses mythtv ** | |
| [13:28:28] | Dagmar: | Well, one of the things involved assumptions about SHA and MD5 which we now know to be untrue. |
| [13:28:43] | Dagmar: | That one at least they got the sane answer for, even if it's now known to be wrong. |
| [13:28:48] | Dagmar: | s/known/proven/; |
| [13:29:10] | Dagmar: | I mean, you can try to put more than 64 bits of data into a 64 bit hash, and you are *going* to have collisions, period. |
| [13:29:33] | nordenm: | isn't that the point of hashing? |
| [13:29:35] | nordenm: | instant lookup |
| [13:29:37] | lyricnz: | Last I heard, although they could generate collissions, they were unable to do so by adding arbitrary text to a document |
| [13:29:58] | Dagmar: | nordenm: Not in the security context, where it's frequently used for message authentication. |
| [13:30:04] | nordenm: | ah |
| [13:30:08] | lyricnz: | So there's no real expose to document substitution (against an existing sig) |
| [13:30:28] | Dagmar: | lyricnz: Oh there is, it's just very, very hard still if you don't have control over the contents of both documents. |
| [13:30:45] | Dagmar: | If you control the contents of both documents, you can generate a collision pretty easily. |
| [13:30:53] | lyricnz: | yeah, but what's the point in that? :) |
| [13:30:57] | Dagmar: | Exactly.. |
| [13:31:09] | Dagmar: | It's applicable indirectly. |
| [13:31:15] | lyricnz: | How so? |
| [13:31:17] | Dagmar: | Let's say Eve is a secretary. |
| [13:31:28] | lyricnz: | AHh |
| [13:31:31] | lyricnz: | I get where you're going |
| [13:31:46] | Dagmar: | Eve gets a requisition order from her boss, who signs it using md5 or sha (doesn't really matter for this explanation) |
| [13:31:49] | lyricnz: | Produces two documents with the same hash, one for the boss to sign |
| [13:31:55] | Dagmar: | You got it |
| [13:32:03] | justinh: | deadline met? oh the order changed. joy! |
| [13:32:08] | lyricnz: | Okay, so a bit of a social hack too. |
| [13:32:12] | Dagmar: | Slightly yeah |
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| [13:32:48] | lyricnz: | It'll be totally broken if they can produce a well-formed document to match a given hash. (by adding junk to the document, in places you can't see) |
| [13:33:30] | lyricnz: | I haven't kept up. Can they generate collisions for sha1 to? |
| [13:33:31] | lyricnz: | too |
| [13:33:37] | Dagmar: | Same deal there |
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| [13:34:02] | Dagmar: | PDF and Word formats both have plenty of wiggle room for injecting whatever data is needed to massage the results. |
| [13:34:09] | lyricnz: | Of course. |
| [13:34:12] | lyricnz: | Ditto XML |
| [13:34:25] | hashbang: | Dagmar: probably unicode plain text, even |
| [13:34:46] | lyricnz: | Harder to get plain text by a visual inspection with a bunch of crap on it |
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| [13:34:57] | lyricnz: | unless you're talking off-charset unicode? |
| [13:35:02] | lyricnz: | invalid like |
| [13:35:33] | Dagmar: | Hell ther'es whole fields for definining a font that won't be used in both of them |
| [13:35:42] | Dagmar: | So you can put whatever the hell binary data you'd like in there. |
| [13:35:53] | hashbang: | lyricnz: using glyphs that look like other glyphs |
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| [13:36:45] | lyricnz: | hashbang: bloody tricky to make a collision using that. I understood they still needed a decent amount of extra junk? |
| [13:37:11] | Dagmar: | In theory you shouldn't need more than the key size |
| [13:37:13] | hashbang: | lyricnz: dunno how /practical/ an attack with unicode would be |
| [13:37:26] | lyricnz: | heheheh |
| [13:37:30] | hashbang: | but certainly plain text 'ain't what it used to be. |
| [13:37:36] | lyricnz: | Hmmm, so myth is qt4 now? Hmmm |
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| [13:49:15] | GreyFoxx: | lyricnz: in trunk yeahg |
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| [13:51:54] | lyricnz: | I didn't notice there was finally a release, and updated my svn head past it. |
| [13:52:54] | sphery: | lyricnz: should probably go back to 0.21-fixes |
| [13:53:52] | lyricnz: | have to downgrade schema manually, I guess. Ick. |
| [13:54:47] | sphery: | lyricnz: Your schema won't go back. |
| [13:54:59] | sphery: | You'll need to use the backup that was created before the upgrade. |
| [13:55:09] | lyricnz: | hehehe |
| [13:55:12] | sphery: | If you didn't do one, Myth should have done one for you (in the recordings dire) |
| [13:55:16] | lyricnz: | it does a backup? I certainly didn't :) |
| [13:55:22] | sphery: | it does it's best. |
| [13:55:35] | sphery: | don't blame me if it didn't work (though I did write the code ;) |
| [13:56:04] | sphery: | It now does one for exactly this reason, though. To help out people who "forgot" to backup and went too far. |
| [13:56:14] | lyricnz: | It looks like I got r16752 – where was 0.21 ? |
| [13:56:16] | sphery: | btw, here's the reason you should stay on 0.21-fixes: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/323423#323423 |
| [13:56:30] | sphery: | I recommend doing an svn switch to 0.21-fixes |
| [13:57:07] | sphery: | don't use trunk at the pre-qt4 point because it won't get any bug fixes. |
| [13:57:19] | sphery: | You'll always be able to switch from 0.21-fixes back to trunk when it's ready. |
| [13:58:45] | sphery: | lyricnz: something like: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/323534#323534 |
| [13:59:31] | lyricnz: | Thanks. I was about to ask that :) |
| [13:59:55] | lyricnz: | So, how do I roll my DB back? Where would this backup be? I didn't go *far* past 0.21 |
| [14:00:53] | sphery: | To restore: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5 |
| [14:01:11] | sphery: | though you'll need to uncompress (with gunzip or gzip -d) the file if it's a .sql.gz |
| [14:02:08] | sphery: | Hmmm. You seem to have a pre-qt4 version... |
| [14:02:08] | lyricnz: | That'll break all my recordings since then, right? Hmmm... |
| [14:02:16] | lyricnz: | Yup |
| [14:02:42] | sphery: | In that case, the DB will likely work. |
| [14:03:26] | sphery: | There's a file in the recordings directory. If you had storage groups set up and had multiple dirs in your default group, it will be in one of them. (Unless you had defined a DB Backups storage group--in which case it's in one of those dirs.) |
| [14:03:44] | sphery: | It should be mythconverg-<schemaver>-<datetime>.sql.gz |
| [14:03:47] | sphery: | what's the schemaver |
| [14:04:54] | lyricnz: | In the backup file? or live? |
| [14:05:03] | lyricnz: | backup file is 1212 |
| [14:05:18] | sphery: | If live is different, then that's what's important. |
| [14:05:31] | sphery: | If you have 1214 or less, you can use that DB with 0.2-fixes |
| [14:05:42] | lyricnz: | 1215 :/ |
| [14:05:58] | lyricnz: | Which file has the update_schema stuff? Can I look, and reverse those operations? |
| [14:06:23] | lyricnz: | It's been a year or two since I looked into the code much... |
| [14:07:38] | sphery: | it's libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp |
| [14:08:16] | sphery: | But, looking at it, the change is innocuous, so you can just go to 0.21-fixes and use: UPDATE settings SET data = '1214' WHERE value = 'DBSchemaVer'; |
| [14:08:23] | sphery: | but don't tell anyone I said to do that. |
| [14:08:59] | sphery: | make sure you change the version when Myth is completely shut down. |
| [14:09:13] | lyricnz: | Of course :) |
| [14:09:34] | sphery: | You picked a very lucky time to upgrade too far. |
| [14:09:57] | lyricnz: | Heheh, so it seems. |
| [14:10:13] | lyricnz: | All the other changes in 1215 don't matter? (defaults) |
| [14:10:38] | ** sphery thinks you're looking at the upgrade /from/ 1215 ** | |
| [14:10:55] | sphery: | 1215 is: "UPDATE capturecard SET audioratelimit = NULL;" |
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| [14:11:40] | lyricnz: | Ahh, the check is current ver, which keeps getting incremented. |
| [14:12:08] | sphery: | yep. |
| [14:12:22] | sphery: | the one from 1215–1216 would have been basically unreversible. |
| [14:12:29] | lyricnz: | I would have liked to be more involved in mythtv, but last time I tried to "help" (a year or two ago) the devs were pretty unfriendly – so I went and spent my time on other oss projects :( |
| [14:12:59] | justinh: | depends what you call 'help' |
| [14:13:02] | sphery: | chances are those who were unfriendly were not so much devs as active people on the list (like me) |
| [14:13:12] | lyricnz: | That's why I put it in quotes :) |
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| [14:13:31] | sphery: | What projects are you working on? |
| [14:13:48] | lyricnz: | Drupal mostly these days |
| [14:14:04] | lyricnz: | But I used to be involved in PHP itself (mostly web/documentation stuff) |
| [14:14:13] | lyricnz: | And some language low-levels |
| [14:14:17] | sphery: | Cool. Just curious. Always glad to see someone helping with OSS. |
| [14:14:58] | lyricnz: | (it seems) mythtv does have a reputation for unfriendly devs. A couple of my mates reported the same. |
| [14:15:25] | lyricnz: | And it's such a big program, it'd really require a lot of effort to get familiar enough to understand the lot. |
| [14:15:27] | justinh: | some people seem to think that stuff like http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Why_MythTV_Sucks is 'helping' |
| [14:15:51] | justinh: | lyricnz: I couldn't disagree more |
| [14:15:58] | sphery: | I know next to nothing about PHP. Yesterday xris found a bug, and I looked through mythfrontend and MythWeb and couldn't see where the bug was, so I ended up explaining how it was supposed to work and he immediately saw the bug in the MythWeb PHP (that I have overlooked). |
| [14:16:18] | lyricnz: | My helping was... iirc, patching a few bugs in the guide etc |
| [14:16:21] | justinh: | I've contributed more than just shitty themes to mythtv & always found the developers I spoke to were great |
| [14:16:25] | sphery: | justinh: I agree with your disagreement |
| [14:16:40] | quicksilver: | mythtv has one of the most unfriendly dev lists I have ever browsed. |
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| [14:16:46] | quicksilver: | that can certainly give that impression. |
| [14:16:48] | justinh: | I think as long as you're not too needy & perstering them all the time they're fine |
| [14:16:57] | quicksilver: | of course, it doesn't mean the actual devs are unfriendly |
| [14:17:00] | quicksilver: | (not the same thing) |
| [14:17:01] | sphery: | I think MythTV has a reputation for having mean devs because there are a lot of non-devs on the list who are taken to be devs. |
| [14:17:07] | justinh: | ffs the -dev mailing list problem – is the people who post on it, not the developers |
| [14:17:12] | directhex|bsp: | pidgin is worse than myth for developer niceness |
| [14:17:13] | quicksilver: | exactly. |
| [14:17:34] | lyricnz: | eg: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1803 was me |
| [14:17:46] | justinh: | the sad thing is that there's now a common misconception that anybody who posts on that list is directly involved – and that definitely isn't the case most of the time |
| [14:17:48] | sphery: | wow. I figured anyone who wrote a book about the success of their project must have a bunch of nice devs... |
| [14:17:56] | hashbang: | I submitted a bunch of hacks on Mytharchive and Paul Harrison was cool about recoding them nicely and including them in 0.21 |
| [14:18:15] | hashbang: | I was just pleased to see they didn't languish in someone's inbox for years without any attention |
| [14:18:43] | hashbang: | I didn't post anything to the list; I just private emailed him the patches |
| [14:18:53] | justinh: | I tried canvassing opinions on renaming something on the -dev list – the resultant thread got ridiculous very quickly. only two people with actual commit access replied (and they both agreed with me) |
| [14:19:06] | sphery: | yeah, actual constructive help is always handled very nicely |
| [14:19:43] | justinh: | I was always concerned I was being silly & too needy. always keep in mind that nobody's obliged to help |
| [14:20:03] | justinh: | it's great that people do, but it's not your right |
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| [14:23:08] | ** lyricnz uninstalls qt4 (no accidents!) and switches to 0.21-fixes ** | |
| [14:23:22] | lyricnz: | Then I can probably run the binary OSX builds :) Yay |
| [14:23:52] | directhex|bsp: | pfft, osx builds |
| [14:23:59] | directhex|bsp: | real men build for win32! |
| [14:24:25] | lyricnz: | Who uses that anymore? :) |
| [14:25:01] | ** lyricnz kicks off his rpmbuild – yeah, I like fedora, so shoot me :) ** | |
| [14:25:38] | lyricnz: | Any db changes between 0.21-release and 0.21-fixes? |
| [14:26:44] | GreyFoxx: | I don't think so |
| [14:26:58] | lyricnz: | I wish I could get my nvidia card outputting component video my TV would accept though :( sdtv sucks. |
| [14:27:52] | wagner: | apparently mythtv needs more than 1GB of memory to compile |
| [14:28:02] | lyricnz: | Wow |
| [14:28:25] | wagner: | i set my machine to update before i went to bed last night, i wake up to find it complaining that it ran out of memory |
| [14:28:51] | lyricnz: | Looks like there's 4–5 cc1plus processes here, with about 130–180mb each |
| [14:28:58] | wagner: | seems i need to give it some temp swap |
| [14:29:15] | lyricnz: | Or decrease the -j ? |
| [14:29:29] | wagner: | well its only -j2 at the moment |
| [14:29:47] | lyricnz: | -j1 will probably nearly halve the memory requirement, no? |
| [14:30:09] | wagner: | most likely, but its more fun to run swap over a nfs disk... :P |
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| [14:32:08] | justinh: | anyway – if anybody has an idea how the myth of myth's unfriendly developers can be dispelled... |
| [14:32:50] | lyricnz: | It's not just me that thinks/thought that , right? |
| [14:32:59] | quicksilver: | friendly people in this channel helps |
| [14:33:04] | quicksilver: | friendly people on the users list helps. |
| [14:33:17] | quicksilver: | myth is such an unusually large community it suffers unusual problems |
| [14:33:36] | GreyFoxx: | lyricnz: Anyone who comes into #mythtv or mythtv-dev expecting hand holding and demanding features walk away with the "you guys are mean" idea if we say no |
| [14:34:14] | GreyFoxx: | If I tell someone their feature will likely never get into the main app, or that I will not spend the next 6 hours reading the code to them ge tupset and call us arrogant etc etc |
| [14:34:22] | directhex|bsp: | GreyFoxx IS mean though. a real hardass |
| [14:34:36] | GreyFoxx: | if I tell someone to use google, grep or read the wiki they feel we are mean |
| [14:34:48] | lyricnz: | Yeah, but I'm not talking about noob users – my friends and I are real devs/testers; not idiots. And even we were scared off. |
| [14:35:05] | lyricnz: | But I understand your point |
| [14:35:06] | justinh: | lyricnz: nah. I never felt intimidated. |
| [14:35:11] | GreyFoxx: | lyricnz: It's not about if you are an idiot or not |
| [14:35:23] | justinh: | maybe I was a little wary at first but that evaporated very quickly |
| [14:35:34] | quicksilver: | I think the main problem is GreyFoxx, frankly. |
| [14:35:35] | justinh: | just don't put it to the -dev list |
| [14:35:38] | quicksilver: | Everyone else is nice. |
| [14:35:40] | GreyFoxx: | quicksilver: heh |
| [14:35:42] | quicksilver: | :P |
| [14:36:00] | quicksilver: | myth is quite extreme in a lot of ways |
| [14:36:07] | quicksilver: | it's an unusually complex piece of software |
| [14:36:20] | quicksilver: | with a rather small group of people who understand the software |
| [14:36:28] | quicksilver: | it has an unusually complex user configuration setup |
| [14:36:44] | quicksilver: | its unusually dependent on hardware drivers |
| [14:36:47] | GreyFoxx: | lyricnz: a lot of "devs" come in, wanting to work on something, which is great!. but rather than read the code to leanr or read it and ask specific questions they want someone to manually walk them through it all and they get upset |
| [14:36:54] | quicksilver: | which are often bleeding edge or beta |
| [14:36:54] | ccooke: | quicksilver: ... You know, I'd argue about the setup |
| [14:37:05] | GreyFoxx: | OR if they idea is not met with warm hugs and milk and cookies they get pissy and leave |
| [14:37:09] | lyricnz: | THough, googling for myself and mythtv, Looks like I had a couple of douchebag responses myself. :) |
| [14:37:36] | ccooke: | quicksilver: literally, the only complex part of the setup was getting channel changing and channel numbers imported. And that's one of those things that would be *hard* to do right |
| [14:37:58] | ccooke: | (there's a huge number of things to configure after, but that's really all after it works) |
| [14:38:10] | quicksilver: | well the whole business about video sources, cards, storage groups, directories, autoexpire |
| [14:38:15] | quicksilver: | I'm not criticising at all |
| [14:38:25] | quicksilver: | just saying, this is trickier to set up than your typical open source project |
| [14:38:28] | lyricnz: | I reported a repeatable problem with 0.19 (release) and got my ticket closed with "wontfix" saying I should run SVN head. Unhelpful, uugh. |
| [14:38:33] | quicksilver: | because it's large and flexible. |
| [14:38:47] | ccooke: | quicksilver: true. On the other hand, accepting defaults is fine in almost all cases |
| [14:39:43] | GreyFoxx: | lyricnz: if a problem no longer exists in trunk either by being fixed or that bit completely redone making the problem moot, what other answer would you expect ?:) |
| [14:39:51] | ccooke: | lyricnz:was this shortly before the release of 0.20, well before or after it? |
| [14:39:53] | GreyFoxx: | Though I didn't read about your specific issue |
| [14:40:05] | lyricnz: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2090 |
| [14:40:16] | lyricnz: | I probably didn't react well :) |
| [14:40:17] | iamlindoro: | lyricnz: the wontfix comment on your ticket specifically said the relevant code had be totally changed |
| [14:40:23] | iamlindoro: | er been |
| [14:40:50] | wagner: | the only problem ive really had setting up mythtv has been outside of mythtv |
| [14:41:08] | ccooke: | wagner: indeed. |
| [14:41:16] | wagner: | like getting older ivtv drivers (<= 0.40) running and getting the firmwares in the right places |
| [14:41:22] | lyricnz: | mythtv is way easier to install now than it used to be! |
| [14:41:24] | ccooke: | wagner: changing channels via IR, for instance! |
| [14:41:55] | lyricnz: | When I started using it, maybe 5 years ago, it was a bit of a drag – especially with ivtv drivers as you say. |
| [14:41:59] | ccooke: | personally, I was amazingly impressed with the new release... Every one of my problems vanished. |
| [14:42:12] | ** lyricnz gave up on remotes, and just uses a keyboard :/ ** | |
| [14:42:33] | PatrickDK: | heh, I love my remote :) |
| [14:42:45] | ccooke: | lyricnz: not remotes... the only way you can change the channel on my STB is via emulating the remote |
| [14:43:03] | ccooke: | Took me a few weeks (to find and buy the hardware) the first time I set it up |
| [14:43:10] | ** lyricnz almost never watches live TV ** | |
| [14:43:20] | wagner: | i never really had a problem getting my remote to work, but more configuring the lirc file to my liking |
| [14:43:23] | ccooke: | lyricnz: ever record somethinig? |
| [14:43:34] | lyricnz: | what do you mean? Of course. |
| [14:43:35] | wagner: | my tuner cards come with ir-blasters, but ive not yet tried using them |
| [14:43:41] | lyricnz: | probably 10 programs a day |
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| [14:43:57] | ccooke: | lyricnz: still need to change the channel for that :-) |
| [14:44:11] | lyricnz: | I don't do it live – I select from the guide, or the program finder. |
| [14:44:16] | PatrickDK: | if your using a stb atleast :) (external tuner) |
| [14:44:28] | ** lyricnz uses DVB ** | |
| [14:44:46] | quicksilver: | lyricnz: I've been slightly saddened by the mythtv dev teams response to bugs in the stable version, yes. |
| [14:44:47] | ccooke: | wagner: when I bought my pvr500 and it came with (working!) (supported!) ir senders... |
| [14:44:55] | lyricnz: | And continues to have "driver issues" with linux and hardware. I have two different revisions of the same card, which need different hacks to the driver. What a pain! Oh linux bores me sometime, like that :) |
| [14:45:02] | wagner: | my stuff is analog cable, or ATSC, so ive never had to deal with STBs |
| [14:45:15] | ccooke: | (exepcially since they were supported by Ubuntu in the beta release I was testing at the time) |
| [14:45:34] | lyricnz: | quicksilver: agree. If I was a "normal user" (let's assume they exist), I'd have been totally unable to use mythtv. |
| [14:45:55] | wagner: | ive got a pair of 150s, but i think one of my receivers is bad |
| [14:46:29] | quicksilver: | lyricnz: however, these days we have a -fixes branch |
| [14:46:39] | quicksilver: | lyricnz: so hopefully things are better in that respect. |
| [14:46:40] | lyricnz: | I've got a 350 in a box in the garage :) Analogue? Hah! :) |
| [14:47:00] | lyricnz: | quicksilver: yeah, these things improve with project maturity I guess. |
| [14:47:03] | wagner: | a 350 in a garage seems like a waste |
| [14:47:22] | lyricnz: | It was quite expensive at the time, iirc. |
| [14:47:23] | wagner: | the only thing the 350 has going for it is the video output |
| [14:47:48] | lyricnz: | And hardware encoding from analog source |
| [14:48:00] | lyricnz: | 0% cpu, which is good for small/slow machines |
| [14:48:09] | wagner: | right, but all the hauppauge PVRs do that |
| [14:48:16] | wagner: | and the others are considerably cheaper per input |
| [14:48:37] | lyricnz: | I was using a sff machine with 800Mhz Epia at the time. Only one slot, no onboard video. |
| [14:48:44] | lyricnz: | So pvr-350 was ace |
| [14:48:46] | wagner: | ah... ok |
| [14:49:02] | lyricnz: | Until I moved to .au and got DVB for everything I care about |
| [14:49:19] | lyricnz: | I also have a twin-tuner DVB card in the garage. STupid linux driver problems. |
| [14:50:26] | lyricnz: | Okay, my rpms are built. WE'll see how that works :) |
| [14:50:29] | wagner: | yeah, my digital problems arent with the card, but rather the service |
| [14:50:45] | wagner: | ive got all of 6 unencrypted channels on cable |
| [14:51:28] | wagner: | i get triple that just over the air |
| [14:52:57] | GreyFoxx: | It too bad it's so hard to get stuff unencrypted in some places |
| [14:53:07] | GreyFoxx: | some people are luck and get tons, others get nothing |
| [14:53:13] | GreyFoxx: | makes it such a crapshoot for new users |
| [14:53:28] | ** jams is in the nothing bin ** | |
| [14:53:59] | wagner: | whats worse is that there are some 150 or so unencrypted channels, but theyre all on-demand |
| [14:54:14] | wagner: | so my tuner just sits there stalled trying to lock onto a non-existant feed |
| [14:54:32] | lyricnz: | Yeah, but we've only got 5–6 channels here :) (without cable etc) |
| [14:54:42] | lyricnz: | We get almost all the FTA channels in unencrypted digital + HD, which is nice. |
| [14:54:42] | wagner: | every once in a while, during a scan, i come across an in-use channel |
| [14:56:19] | wagner: | i only actually have 7 local channels over ATSC, but they all have multiple streams |
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| [15:03:19] | justinh: | quicksilver: bugs reported to occur in the stable version are still relevant if they're not already fixed |
| [15:03:55] | quicksilver: | I reported a bug in the stable version and was told it was fixed in SVN, and my bug was closed. |
| [15:04:00] | justinh: | so? |
| [15:04:03] | quicksilver: | So I'm still suffering from the bug until a new stable comes out. |
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| [15:04:10] | quicksilver: | that's not the way most projects handle stable versions. |
| [15:04:14] | justinh: | so? |
| [15:04:32] | justinh: | if you weren't up to compiling it yourself you'd still have to wait for new packages to come out |
| [15:04:32] | quicksilver: | most projects with a stable version will fix bugs in the stable version, and release a new stable version with the fix. |
| [15:05:11] | quicksilver: | yes, but there is a different between upgrading from 0.19 to 0.20-dev to get a bugfix |
| [15:05:19] | justinh: | for all intents & purposes, mythtv doesn't really have any users ;) |
| [15:05:21] | quicksilver: | and upgrading to 0.19.01 |
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| [15:05:43] | lyricnz: | now there is the -fixes branch, so that should be handled better now... |
| [15:06:08] | justinh: | bugfixes generally get backported where possible |
| [15:06:28] | justinh: | key words there being _where_ _possible_ |
| [15:07:11] | justinh: | from my own rather narrow point of view I really couldn't expect any more from mythtv. I get what I paid for |
| [15:07:16] | justinh: | and a lot more :) |
| [15:07:44] | quicksilver: | It's not a question of what I paid for. I was stating my opinion on the way bugs are handled in the stable branch. |
| [15:07:53] | quicksilver: | the myth developers owe me nothing, they can tell me to fuck off. |
| [15:08:10] | quicksilver: | but it is (or was) different from the way most projects handle bugs in a stable branch. |
| [15:08:11] | ** lyricnz starts building a mac frontend build. The -fixes binaries are broken. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/323209 ** | |
| [15:09:23] | wagner: | why were the frontendonly/backendonly build disabled in the configure script? |
| [15:09:30] | wagner: | something about gentoo abusing them |
| [15:10:04] | GreyFoxx: | wagner: they were never meant for the way people were using them and it was just causing user confusion and increaed support issues |
| [15:10:10] | justinh: | quicksilver: well, last thing I could say is that mythtv is not 'most projects' :D |
| [15:10:20] | GreyFoxx: | they were for porting issues not for "rtimming my box down" stuff |
| [15:10:26] | quicksilver: | justinh: agreed. I think I outlined some of the reasons why it is not (in my opinion) earlier :) |
| [15:10:46] | GreyFoxx: | quicksilver: Some we should have a new release every time something is updated in -fixes? :) |
| [15:10:51] | justinh: | over 1.5 million lines of code last time I looked on ohloh |
| [15:10:56] | GreyFoxx: | But I do agree a shorter release cycle would be nice |
| [15:11:05] | GreyFoxx: | and we for the most part to do so from no won |
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| [15:11:15] | justinh: | well, 1.5 million _lines_ |
| [15:11:15] | GreyFoxx: | the time between 0.20 and 0.21 was kinda crazy :) |
| [15:11:22] | wagner: | ok, so they were only ment for binary distributors who actually know what theyre doing, than the end user screwing up and seeking for help |
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| [15:11:56] | justinh: | like it's a huge effort to delete some .so files yourself |
| [15:12:08] | GreyFoxx: | wagner: they were meant for people porting code to new platforms... For example to not buld the backend on OpenBSD and such. But it ended up causing more user questions and confusion about missing apps and such so it was removed |
| [15:12:45] | justinh: | my favourite is the --never-crash build option. bout time more people found out about it :P |
| [15:13:27] | quicksilver: | GreyFoxx: no, actually, all I was suggesting was that my / lyricnz 's reports might have been answered by "fix will be in the next release of -fixes" |
| [15:13:39] | GreyFoxx: | there are no releases of -fixes though |
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| [15:13:49] | quicksilver: | GreyFoxx: rather than simply "please reproduce in SVN HEAD" |
| [15:13:57] | quicksilver: | which suggested to me that -fixes wasn't even in the picture. |
| [15:13:59] | justinh: | .. except when packagers bundle em up.. |
| [15:14:07] | wagner: | ah, i would use it during my failed attempts to transition my backend to freebsd file server. i just noticed it was disabled in 0.21, and still doesnt compile on freebsd... :P |
| [15:14:12] | GreyFoxx: | not every fix does into -fixes |
| [15:14:14] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [15:14:34] | GreyFoxx: | I might fix a bug without knowning it in trunk :) |
| [15:14:38] | GreyFoxx: | or more likely cause more :)_ |
| [15:14:51] | justinh: | ahh so it's _your_ fault :D |
| [15:15:32] | quicksilver: | I knew it was all GreyFoxx's fault really. |
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| [15:15:43] | justinh: | it's bad, knowing that I'm gonna be held personally responsible for 10 broken themes when more of the mythui port is done |
| [15:18:51] | justinh: | hmm think it's a 3.30pm finish today. I need a drink |
| [15:19:10] | Dagmar: | Oh noez |
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| [15:21:16] | justinh: | yeah oh noez. I have to build an ANPR camera next week |
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| [15:24:59] | wagner: | does anyone know what website it is that lists ATSC stations in your area? |
| [15:25:33] | iamlindoro__: | there are many-- antennaweb.org |
| [15:27:35] | lyricnz: | Excellent. The OSX mythfrontend 0.21 binaries work nicely. |
| [15:27:45] | wagner: | thats the one i was looking for... google was failing horribly, thanks |
| [15:27:46] | lyricnz: | Once I downgraded backend a touch :) |
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| [15:44:35] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: That's a good reason for the long release cycle for 0.21--"we for the most part to do so from no won" and no yen and no pounds and no euros and no dollars... :) |
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| [15:54:21] | Computer_Czar: | Does anyone have any suggestions for the following problem? Sometimes if I startup the backend it seems to hang and not begin processing as normal. If I start up the frontend it says it cannot communicate with backend (connection refused). If I restart the backend with -v all I see it appears to be some sort of sql query for cleanup and refusing connections. If I reboot my system the problem disappears (until the next time). |
| [15:55:35] | iamlindoro__: | Computer_Czar, it may be more productive to paste both logs-- maybe one of us will see something that jumps out at us |
| [15:55:41] | iamlindoro__: | pastebin, that is |
| [15:58:26] | Computer_Czar: | Ok |
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| [16:17:57] | justinh: | heh. woman caught driving the stolen car has apparently said she got it from 'a friend' who she went on to refuse to name – so she's been charged with possession. and that's the end of that chapter |
| [16:18:24] | Dagmar: | She's going to gaol! |
| [16:19:19] | justinh: | as much as you get for possessing stolen stuff these days.. feck all really |
| [16:21:35] | justinh: | time to take doggy out so he cn lay some eggs |
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| [17:11:58] | GlemSom: | I was wondering where MythVideo actually stored the data it gets for IMDB? And is there any other way of modifying that data then inside the mythvideo menu? |
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| [17:13:18] | justinh: | all the metadata is stored along with all the other metadata. guess where.... |
| [17:13:33] | justinh: | that's right – in the database! |
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| [17:13:57] | justinh: | mythweb is handy for editing video metadata, I've found :) |
| [17:14:40] | xris: | justinh: yeah, kormoc did a lot of cool stuff with that. |
| [17:14:52] | Dagmar: | That's pretty much what I've been using to set the metadata since day one. |
| [17:15:32] | xris: | the "all on one page" thing in mythvideo setup is unwieldy if you have a lot of videos |
| [17:15:44] | xris: | much nicer to attack it category by category or directory by directory |
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| [17:16:48] | GlemSom: | Well, I often prefer to copy the whole DVD to the harddrive (since the DVD drive makes a lot of noise). And I've written a wrapper script so the DVD's are seen as a video in mythvideo – and it then executed xine to play it... And making it automaticly put in the rigth title and stuff would really make it perfect! :P |
| [17:16:51] | justinh: | it'd be kinda cool to be able to select more than one item in the video manager at a time & edit them en masse. might not be too hard to code up too – handy for setting categories etc |
| [17:17:25] | justinh: | it's somewhere on my list of stuff I want to do 'one fine day' |
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| [17:17:46] | justinh: | but hey I don't wanna stop anybody else doing it first :P |
| [17:18:24] | justinh: | be worth waiting to see what comes of the mythvideo categorisation improvements that were discussed on the mailing lists last year (if anything ever does come of them) |
| [17:21:29] | justinh: | I've not seen much of the 0.21 and beyond mythweb yet. I need to pluck up the balls to upgrade soon |
| [17:22:04] | wagner: | i was going to say... that seems more like something to put into mythweb |
| [17:22:16] | GlemSom: | justinh, The BEST thing in 0.21 is the clock at the frontpage!! :P heh |
| [17:22:35] | justinh: | wagner: why should mythweb have all the best features? |
| [17:22:55] | justinh: | sometimes it's nice to be able to fiddle with stuff from the frontend |
| [17:22:55] | wagner: | because mythweb is far more likely to have a keyboard and mouse |
| [17:23:25] | justinh: | mythmusic has by far & away the best search feature in all of mythtv. I plan to correct that by the summer |
| [17:23:44] | justinh: | but again, don't let me stop anybody else doing it ;) |
| [17:24:11] | wagner: | i would be nice if mythmusic supported some of the less standard ID3 stuff |
| [17:24:21] | justinh: | such as? |
| [17:24:44] | wagner: | well for instance, take compilation CDs |
| [17:25:03] | wagner: | a bunch of songs, by different artists, mixed by one DJ, often on more than one disk |
| [17:25:31] | wagner: | if you have a playlist properly set up, its easy to manage |
| [17:25:33] | justinh: | does mythmusic even do gapless playback? |
| [17:25:45] | justinh: | not something I've looked into |
| [17:26:10] | wagner: | but generating a playlist with different artists is not something mythmusic can do easily |
| [17:26:26] | wagner: | not to mention it doesnt support the "disk" tag |
| [17:26:43] | justinh: | anyway I'm not touching mythmusic. there be dragons. what I plan to do is bring the nice search mythmusic does to other parts of mythtv – like the EPG – imagine a programme finder where you enter some letters & up pops a list of search results |
| [17:27:12] | justinh: | in real time, like in mythmusic. that'll be very nice IMHO |
| [17:27:19] | wagner: | so you end up both track ones, then both track twos, then both track threes |
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| [17:27:31] | wagner: | ive not really used mythmusic on the frontend |
| [17:27:34] | wagner: | only in mythweb |
| [17:27:36] | justinh: | they're a bit of an edge case I think |
| [17:27:44] | wagner: | so i dont really know about the search feature |
| [17:28:06] | justinh: | wagner: put it this way, MCE's programme search stuff works the same way |
| [17:28:13] | xris: | for me, mythmusic unfortunately doesn't compare to using itunes with my airport express. |
| [17:28:26] | wagner: | never used MCE either |
| [17:28:37] | xris: | that and I rarely listen to music on the big speakers... my wife just uses her laptop since she's always using it anyway |
| [17:29:35] | justinh: | wagner: well, you go into a search bit, press the 1st letter of a name.. (mobile phone style with an onscreen key to tell you which letters are on which keys) – then all the programme titles starting with that letter are displayed in a list below. press the 2nd letter... then everything matching those 2 letters is displayed below.. etc |
| [17:29:45] | wagner: | i only see shuffle, repeat, edit, and visualize... where is this search feature |
| [17:29:53] | justinh: | wagner: press M |
| [17:30:25] | justinh: | it's not currently a phone-style text entry widget. something that'd be nice to have there as well as the onscreen keyboard IMHO (an easy fix) |
| [17:30:51] | wagner: | ok, so its similar to winamp's 'jump to' dialog |
| [17:30:56] | justinh: | no idea |
| [17:31:18] | justinh: | mythmusic calls it 'smart search'.. and IMHO it is pretty smart |
| [17:31:31] | justinh: | and it's a big shame it was never brought to the programme guide |
| [17:31:43] | wagner: | same thing, starts out with the entire playlist, and then filters down in real time as you add text to the search |
| [17:32:19] | justinh: | not sure how great it'll be for people who have gazillions of channels but hey... find that out when it's done eh |
| [17:33:54] | justinh: | there's that & a bunch of other stuff I'd like to do, to make more features common to more parts of the system. it's always a bit of a pity when one plugin gets the niftiest feature & other parts miss out ;) |
| [17:33:58] | wagner: | so youre thinking matching entries would be highlighted on the EPG? |
| [17:34:07] | justinh: | nah – display a list of matches |
| [17:34:09] | wagner: | or it would replace the current "search by first letter" ability? |
| [17:34:18] | justinh: | replace or more likely augment |
| [17:35:13] | justinh: | that isn't the only way it could be done though – you could even have a sliding bar with letters on to use for text entry. might work better for some people |
| [17:36:28] | justinh: | brainstorming it is one thing. coding it is quite another. I need to get to grips with lists in c++ first |
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| [17:37:08] | justinh: | hell even if it takes me as long to do as my last idea, it'll still be worth doing :) |
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| [17:58:11] | directhex: | crap. my mobile's buggered |
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| [18:22:44] | kambei: | I'm having a bit of trouble with my key bindings. I use F1-F8 as transport control. For some reason, only F1 is working, even though the keys are still assigned. |
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| [18:23:19] | kambei: | The keypresses register properly in xev and all other programs, and I can still program them in the keybindings setup, so Myth knows they are there. |
| [18:23:19] | directhex: | your WM interfering? |
| [18:23:30] | kambei: | Well, I wouldn't think so |
| [18:23:44] | kambei: | Because in the setup, I can still program MUTE to F3, for example. |
| [18:23:58] | kambei: | So they keypress is passing through. |
| [18:24:06] | kambei: | But upon playback, it doesn't work. |
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| [18:24:32] | kambei: | I did setup mplayer to use those same keybindings, but mplayer isn't even running. |
| [18:24:48] | directhex: | mythtv does not use mplayer |
| [18:24:52] | kambei: | I know. |
| [18:24:57] | kambei: | But that's the only thing I really changed. |
| [18:25:12] | kambei: | F1 works, and so does F8 |
| [18:25:22] | kambei: | But the rest of them are completely ignored. |
| [18:26:06] | kambei: | The only caveat is that I am using xmodmap to remap the keys to F1-F8 since mplayer will not recognize any function key over F12. |
| [18:26:25] | kambei: | And before, they were mapped to F13-F22, and they were working fine. |
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| [18:26:46] | ** iamlindoro__ stares at the area three feet to the right of his keyboard where F22 ought to be ** | |
| [18:27:23] | iamlindoro__: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor Best. Function Key. Ever. |
| [18:27:36] | mauriez_: | does anyone know if a mythtv client 0.20 client can work with a 0.18 mythtv server? |
| [18:27:43] | iamlindoro__: | mauriez_, not a chance |
| [18:27:47] | kambei: | iamlindoro: For a little bit more money, you could have an Optimus Maximus. |
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| [18:28:05] | mauriez_: | iam: ok.. thanks :) |
| [18:28:08] | iamlindoro__: | kambei, our definitions of a little bit of money must vary drastically |
| [18:28:45] | kambei: | So, any ideas on the keypress situation? |
| [18:28:57] | hume_: | hi... I'm having problems getting the right proportions on the image in myth – anyone got advice? I have a new 16:9 TV, used to have a smaller 4:3, now the image shows with big black borders |
| [18:29:44] | iamlindoro__: | hume_, assuming you mean video playback, press M while playing, select aspect ratio, change as appropriate? |
| [18:30:13] | hume_: | iamlindoro, does not solve it – it gets the right proportions (16:9) but with big black borders |
| [18:30:28] | iamlindoro__: | using TV out of some sort, I would assume? |
| [18:30:46] | iamlindoro__: | rather than sweet sweet DVI/HDMI action |
| [18:30:48] | hume_: | analog TV, but VGA cable |
| [18:30:56] | hume_: | well, no DVI/HDMI |
| [18:31:05] | iamlindoro__: | You'll need to adjust overscan, then |
| [18:32:04] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan |
| [18:32:07] | hume_: | in myth or where? |
| [18:32:09] | hume_: | ok |
| [18:32:29] | hume_: | it's the same when viewing on a 16:9 computer.... |
| [18:32:51] | iamlindoro__: | That doesn't mean anything |
| [18:32:55] | |Torg|: | computers are 16:10 not 16:9 |
| [18:33:01] | hume_: | ok....16:10 |
| [18:33:07] | hume_: | but not 4:3 |
| [18:33:47] | |Torg|: | what do you connect the TV to the computer by? |
| [18:34:30] | hume_: | well.... the problem is not that the computer video does not fit the screen – but that the video sent by myth is with thich, very thick, black borders, showing a 2/3 sized image in the middle |
| [18:35:08] | |Torg|: | did you tell myth to put out a resolution that is smaller then the tv? |
| [18:35:14] | iamlindoro__: | hume_, The problem is not myth's, your broadcaster is scaling the video into a box which obeys overscan suggestions for people w/ tube televisions |
| [18:35:18] | hume_: | TV monitor is connected to compuiter with VGA cable |
| [18:35:38] | |Torg|: | do you have modelines in X for that resolution and TV? |
| [18:35:40] | iamlindoro__: | just go to the wiki link and look at the section called "TV Playback Overscan Adjustment Settings " |
| [18:35:52] | |Torg|: | and is this a full hight video with black bars on the side? |
| [18:35:54] | hume_: | I've set the width and height in myth to 0 |
| [18:36:06] | iamlindoro__: | oh ffs, I give up on helping |
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| [18:36:26] | hume_: | iamlindoro, i follow you |
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| [18:37:35] | justinh: | oops. Digital (the newcastle nightclub) had their website hacked a little bit.. http://www.yourfutureisdigital.com/ |
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| [18:38:59] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: now i have doubts as to whether or not that was actually Lock's eye at the window |
| [18:39:44] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, Was working out last night, haven't seen the enhanced version yet :) |
| [18:40:13] | mkrufky: | there was only 1 piece of useful info |
| [18:40:19] | mkrufky: | wanna know? |
| [18:40:22] | iamlindoro__: | sure |
| [18:40:44] | mkrufky: | in the future, when anna lucia's old partner left hurley alone in the interrogation room |
| [18:41:05] | mkrufky: | and (charlie) is swimming in the fish tank that's really just a window |
| [18:41:17] | mkrufky: | he holds his hand up to the glass (before it breaks) |
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| [18:41:25] | mkrufky: | and on his hand is written, "THEY NEED YOU" |
| [18:41:35] | mkrufky: | i never saw that before, but the popups point it out |
| [18:41:49] | mkrufky: | all else was just recap stuff for those that misses stuff |
| [18:41:54] | mkrufky: | misseD |
| [18:42:04] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, well that's interesting-- sounds like everyone *is* still on the island, then |
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| [18:42:06] | hume_: | iamlindoro, is the general idea to set the GUI width and height values to more than the screen resulution, so as to enlarge the image and let the picutre fit the screen? do I get it right? |
| [18:42:15] | mkrufky: | hehe, his name is hume |
| [18:42:16] | iamlindoro__: | hume_, no |
| [18:42:28] | iamlindoro__: | hume_, Don't touch the GUI setting |
| [18:42:33] | mkrufky: | (thats Desmond's name) |
| [18:42:49] | iamlindoro__: | hume_, You want to edit the playback oversan settings. That leaves the gui alone but scales the video playback |
| [18:42:50] | hume_: | it's my nick..:) |
| [18:43:05] | mkrufky: | :-D |
| [18:43:16] | iamlindoro__: | assuming you're using a recent version of myth, that is |
| [18:43:19] | hume_: | ok.... |
| [18:43:24] | hume_: | 0.21 |
| [18:43:31] | iamlindoro__: | yup |
| [18:43:43] | iamlindoro__: | so don't touch the GUI size stuff, only the video overscan |
| [18:44:15] | hume_: | where do I find playback overscan settings, then? |
| [18:44:58] | iamlindoro__: | I'm not in front of a mythbox-- presumably in TV Settings->Playback if one were to emply, ya know, logic |
| [18:45:03] | iamlindoro__: | er employ |
| [18:46:15] | hume_: | I find something called "Vertical Scaling" – is that it? |
| [18:47:15] | iamlindoro__: | hume_, Why don't you try it and find out? |
| [18:47:18] | hume_: | i do |
| [18:47:39] | hume_: | just dont want to meddle with somthing that i should not touch...:) |
| [18:47:54] | iamlindoro__: | no harm in it so long as you know how to "untouch" it |
| [18:48:49] | iamlindoro__: | of course, vertical would only be half ov it, you'd need to set horizontal as well... |
| [18:48:51] | iamlindoro__: | er of |
| [18:49:28] | hume_: | well... i figured that... |
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| [18:49:53] | iamlindoro__: | As I remember Overscan has its own page in playback settings, but I don't need to overscan so no promises |
| [18:50:48] | mkrufky: | WHQL it, just a little bit |
| [18:50:49] | mkrufky: | oops, |
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| [18:51:19] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, ewwwwwwww, no talking about mhql in here! |
| [18:51:23] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [18:51:23] | mkrufky: | hehe |
| [18:51:33] | iamlindoro__: | er whql |
| [18:51:33] | mkrufky: | you know how that term is pronounced? |
| [18:51:41] | iamlindoro__: | "whuckle? |
| [18:51:46] | mkrufky: | whickle |
| [18:51:52] | iamlindoro__: | close enough ;) |
| [18:51:59] | mkrufky: | just like that song from forever ago, "wiggle it, just a little bit" |
| [18:52:21] | mkrufky: | anytime they talk about whql tests here i here those lyrics |
| [18:52:32] | mkrufky: | you should have seem me when my first driver went thru it |
| [18:52:37] | mkrufky: | i think i drink too much caffeine |
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| [19:07:05] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [19:16:59] | hume_: | iamlindoro, seems that is a good setting, but I have one more question: under Tv, Recording Profiles, I adjust a profile for Live TV. There is a setting for ascept ration – what is this for? it is set to 4:3 now |
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| [19:18:13] | iamlindoro__: | hume, it sets the aspect ratio on the container IIRC |
| [19:18:43] | hume: | why should this be 4:3 and not 16:9? |
| [19:19:44] | hume: | my reasoning is: if my monitor is 16:9 and most programs are sent in 16:9 – why not 16:9 here as well? but if I try the image is drawn out |
| [19:19:46] | iamlindoro__: | hume, what are you recording with? |
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| [19:20:28] | Thomas-: | hume: widescreen monitors are usually 16:10 |
| [19:20:40] | Thomas-: | tv's (lcd and plasma) are 16:9 |
| [19:20:53] | hume: | hauppauge PVR-350 analog TV |
| [19:20:55] | iamlindoro__: | hume, ??? What is your tuner card |
| [19:20:57] | iamlindoro__: | ok |
| [19:21:02] | iamlindoro__: | Then leave it alone |
| [19:21:10] | hume: | ok...any idea of why? |
| [19:21:56] | iamlindoro__: | hume, because your signal is *always* going to be 720x576 or 720x480 depending on where you live-- you don't need to worry about that setting |
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| [19:22:02] | mkrufky: | www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSk0qtMhv-4 |
| [19:22:08] | iamlindoro__: | or, ya know, you could leave the room |
| [19:22:36] | iamlindoro__: | is that cartman? |
| [19:22:37] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
| [19:22:39] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [19:22:46] | mkrufky: | (its friday) |
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| [19:22:52] | iamlindoro__: | This weeks cracked me up, hard-- and I seldom watch SP |
| [19:23:06] | mkrufky: | i havent seen it in a while — i have a load of catching up to do |
| [19:23:20] | mkrufky: | but ive been singing taco flavored kisses all week, dont know why |
| [19:23:31] | hume: | iamlindoro, thanks for your help!! Think I understand now |
| [19:23:32] | mkrufky: | i was just overheard singign it here in the office |
| [19:23:32] | iamlindoro__: | because you're on the crack? |
| [19:23:37] | mkrufky: | :-D |
| [19:23:40] | iamlindoro__: | hume, you are welcome |
| [19:24:14] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, this week's was great, especially if you love boobies |
| [19:24:29] | mkrufky: | lol, ill have to check it out |
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| [19:25:05] | black_Nightmare_: | just asking iamlindoro you know much about bluray? |
| [19:25:35] | iamlindoro__: | black_Nightmare_, Well, I know some |
| [19:25:59] | iamlindoro__: | I probably know the blu-ray to myth connection about as well as anyone, I guess |
| [19:26:07] | __jkr__: | When I watch videos in 0.20, the internal player skips the first 10 seconds. Is there a setting somewere I can change, or is that changed in 0.21? |
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| [19:26:54] | black_Nightmare_: | is the profile version thing only online-update or is it possible to use special discs to update a player offline tho? |
| [19:27:00] | ** black_Nightmare_ never could quite understand that silly thing about them ** | |
| [19:27:25] | iamlindoro__: | __jkr__, I think Greyfoxx did some work to fix that, but I don't know how successful he was (I never had much of an issue like that, myself)-- think he got it fixed, though |
| [19:28:13] | iamlindoro__: | black_Nightmare_, I'm not 100%, but I believe that the disc enforces a particular profile and can tell the player "Don't play me until you've phoned home and updated." |
| [19:28:30] | iamlindoro__: | so the discs don't have the firmware, but they can enforce the udpate |
| [19:28:50] | iamlindoro__: | only during playback, though-- so it doesn't affect mounting and ripping, which is all I care about, personally |
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| [19:29:03] | GreyFoxx: | __jkr__: It's fixed in 0.21 |
| [19:29:15] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, ;) thnx |
| [19:30:37] | ** GreyFoxx goes to read about storagegroups and how he's gonna make it work with a dvd changer on the backend ** | |
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| [19:30:58] | __jkr__: | GreyFoxx: thanks, I'll give it a try. |
| [19:31:22] | __jkr__: | iamlindoro: thanks |
| [19:31:26] | iamlindoro__: | no prob |
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| [19:38:17] | hadees: | So i just took the plung and ordered HDTV digital cable, now i need to find a good firewire card to use, any suggestions? I looked at the wiki but i don't think the list of cards has been updated in a while |
| [19:38:51] | iamlindoro__: | hadees, It's sometimes tough to tell as you never really know what chipsets they're going to use-- I have had good luck with TI chipsets myself |
| [19:39:10] | iamlindoro__: | I have heard of issues with certain VIA chipsets, but some of those seem fine too |
| [19:40:29] | iamlindoro__: | When I added a second firewire box on my slave backend I bought another card for $10 and just figured if the chipset sucked I'd return it, but it's turned out well (and it's even a VIA) |
| [19:40:54] | hadees: | i guess i'll just buy one at frys and then return it if it doesn't work |
| [19:41:04] | hadees: | and keep doing that until i get one that works =) |
| [19:41:15] | iamlindoro__: | yup, the cheapie I bought that works well for me was the cheapest at fry's |
| [19:41:55] | iamlindoro__: | This appears to be it, I think: http://shop2.outpost.com/%7B1cWq+LteeCyXWMWdX . . . MAIN_RSLT_PG |
| [19:42:39] | henkie: | should nuvexport be part of mythtv? |
| [19:42:55] | xris: | henkie: it is, sort of |
| [19:42:59] | henkie: | i read somewhere it was included with 0.21, but cannot seem to find it |
| [19:43:09] | xris: | not included.. just in the same svn repository |
| [19:43:13] | xris: | under "mythextras" |
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| [19:43:41] | henkie: | ah i see |
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| [19:43:52] | hume: | hi again..:) |
| [19:43:54] | henkie: | then i am uptodate i guess |
| [19:44:02] | henkie: | installed it from its website |
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| [19:44:29] | henkie: | too bad it still can encode from a different backend |
| [19:44:36] | henkie: | *cant |
| [19:45:07] | hume: | iamlindoro, got a new question: seems I got "letterbox" croppings (or what I should call them) on the sides – when overscanning these are not affected – is there a way to change these? |
| [19:45:54] | iamlindoro__: | hume, you can adjust the "fill" mode-- press M while playing and change it |
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| [19:50:49] | hume: | mm....Filll seems to be precisely what I needed. is there a setting in options where I can adjust that more finetuned? not just "half", "full" |
| [19:51:23] | iamlindoro__: | Nope, those are the settings you get |
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| [19:51:46] | hume: | ok... |
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| [19:53:04] | hume: | the menu I get when pressing M flutters, is flimsy – is there a way to adjust that? |
| [19:53:14] | Bashtoni: | My backend is convinced that a frontend is watching live tv, even after a reboot, but no-one is |
| [19:53:26] | Bashtoni: | What can I do to clear the stale session? |
| [19:53:59] | iamlindoro__: | dunno what "flimsy" is supposed to mean, but it's likely your deinterlacer/video renderer, which is again in TV Settings, Playback, Page 3 |
| [19:55:18] | hume: | iamlindoro, ok... dont know the english word for it... |
| [19:55:58] | iamlindoro__: | hume, If you edit the playback profiles on the page I told you about, you should be able to eliminate the flutttering |
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| [19:57:35] | ** iamlindoro__ notes Battlestar Galactica returns next week and he doesn't get SciFi HD until April 15... *grumble* ** | |
| [19:58:53] | Fen_Star: | Hello, can I ask questions here? |
| [19:59:15] | iamlindoro__: | No, this room is for complaining about mythtv and it's developers only |
| [19:59:24] | Fen_Star: | ok |
| [19:59:25] | H00chster: | ROFLMAO |
| [19:59:25] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [19:59:27] | Fen_Star: | sry |
| [19:59:29] | iamlindoro__: | kidding |
| [19:59:30] | iamlindoro__: | ask |
| [19:59:44] | hume: | iamlindoro, uhu.... OSD renderer: softblend, video renderer: xv-blit, deinterlacer: Bob (2x)..... dont know about these ... should I just experiement with them? |
| [20:00:08] | iamlindoro__: | hume, try changing your deinterlacer first-- try Yadif or Linear and see how it looks after that |
| [20:00:23] | Fen_Star: | I was just wondering if you people thought it was worth getting a HD tuner card? |
| [20:00:31] | iamlindoro__: | (I have always had similar problems to you with Bob deinterlacing, so it may help to change it) |
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| [20:01:26] | iamlindoro__: | Fen_Star, Depends on what you hope to get in HD-- Since you are in the US, what you are very likely to get is locals and network TV in HD-- what you are *unlikely* to get is anything past that ie discovery HD, etc. |
| [20:01:55] | hume: | wow....fist try made it, with Yadif (2x) |
| [20:01:59] | hume: | thanks!!! |
| [20:02:03] | iamlindoro__: | hume, you are welcome |
| [20:02:25] | Fen_Star: | Ok, thank you. |
| [20:02:49] | Fen_Star: | I think I'll go with a normal tuner then and save some money |
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| [20:06:16] | EnderTheThird: | Fen_Star what are you watching TV on? |
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| [20:06:46] | Fen_Star: | The TV you mean? or the computer? |
| [20:06:47] | EnderTheThird: | Because there's a HUGE difference with HD on some shows, even if you do just get the network stations. Heroes, for example, is way better in HD. I refuse to watch some shows in SD anymore, heh. |
| [20:07:10] | EnderTheThird: | TV, yeah. My bad. The HD tuner may be worth it if you havea nice set |
| [20:07:28] | iamlindoro__: | Fen_Star, I would agree with EnderTheThird-- if you can manage it, a digital tuner for Network TV and an analog one for anything else you can't get works really nicely |
| [20:07:38] | GreyFoxx: | when I made the move to HD I suddenly became a picture snob |
| [20:07:45] | GreyFoxx: | now I avoid SD if I can :) |
| [20:08:10] | iamlindoro__: | and even better, if you luck out and can get a lot via firewire from your cable box, that's by far the best solution for most in the US of A |
| [20:08:21] | ** iamlindoro__ seconds that emotion ** | |
| [20:08:28] | Fen_Star: | Hmm... I have a 1080i TV |
| [20:08:34] | Fen_Star: | 32" |
| [20:09:09] | iamlindoro__: | I bet fie dolla the panel res is 1366x768 |
| [20:09:20] | iamlindoro__: | Fen_Star, LCD or CRT? |
| [20:09:30] | Fen_Star: | That sounds correct, LCD |
| [20:09:54] | iamlindoro__: | Fen_Star, yup, then it may *accept* a 1080i signal, but it's really a 720p-ish panel |
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| [20:10:07] | ** laga waves ** | |
| [20:10:14] | laga: | GreyFoxx: what dvd changer did you get? |
| [20:10:44] | Fen_Star: | so is that worth getting a HD tuner for? |
| [20:11:01] | iamlindoro__: | Fen_Star, it's subjective, but I would say yes |
| [20:11:28] | iamlindoro__: | nice 720p looks vastly vastly better than 480i |
| [20:11:58] | Fen_Star: | Do you have any suggestions on a card? |
| [20:12:47] | Fen_Star: | I have looked around to try to find out what is compatable, but I haven't found a lot of info. |
| [20:13:02] | iamlindoro__: | Fen_Star, there are a lot of good ones-- if you want cheap then Kworld 110 or 115 or AverMedia A180 are good cards-- the pcHDTV 5500 or the HDHomeRun are great, but more expensive. The HDHomeRun is a dual, netwrok attached tuner w/ built-in IR, if that does you any good |
| [20:14:14] | iamlindoro__: | Everyone tends to suggest what they themselves own, so I just threw out the whole list of commonly used ones around here-- in the end, after configuration, they all work identically |
| [20:14:23] | GreyFoxx: | laga: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/se . . . tId=11040977 |
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| [20:14:36] | GreyFoxx: | 200 disk dvd changer/drive, firewire connected |
| [20:14:44] | Fen_Star: | I was looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100015 |
| [20:14:50] | EnderTheThird: | Fen_Star: I'm a fan of my HDHR. :) Not hogging up PCI slots and having the IR receiver is great. |
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| [20:15:14] | iamlindoro__: | Fen_Star, The hybrid cards are a bad choice in most cases |
| [20:15:28] | Fen_Star: | ok |
| [20:15:40] | iamlindoro__: | they tend to either a) not have hardware encoders for the analog side or b) only be half-supported in linux |
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| [20:15:53] | EnderTheThird: | Any of you guys know what's happening with the no analog stuff come next year? I had thought it was OTA only, but apparently it's cable too. Does that mean my ATSC HDHR tuner can grab all of my regular channels as well, not just the HD ones? |
| [20:16:05] | iamlindoro__: | EnderTheThird, It's not cable too |
| [20:16:11] | GreyFoxx: | At some point I'm gonna install MCE on a box, and connect the dvd changer to it and sniff the network traffic as it downloads the meta data for disks, and such. |
| [20:16:12] | iamlindoro__: | Though your cable company might lie about it |
| [20:16:39] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone know of any firewire debugging equipment or hardware for capture what a driver sends to a firewire device ? |
| [20:16:47] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro_: I wouldn't put it past them. :) It did seem silly to change the rules about analog cable, seeing as that's not hogging the spectrum OTA by any means. |
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| [20:17:03] | iamlindoro__: | EnderTheThird, When cable co's *do* go digital only, which they can do at their leisure until 2011, they'll likely encrypt the crap out of everything but locals |
| [20:17:54] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: Yeah, bummer huh? I'm doing locals now only anyway though cause I just bought a car. Comedy Central isn't worth $33/mo. |
| [20:18:06] | GreyFoxx: | ooh, gotta run and get my little one |
| [20:18:39] | iamlindoro__: | EnderTheThird, yep-- although I'm lucky, I get everything via firewire, so I have sweet sweet digital goodness for all my channels |
| [20:18:51] | justinh: | mmm drunky |
| [20:19:06] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro__: I hate you more than mayonnaise, and you know how much I hate mayonnaise. |
| [20:19:37] | iamlindoro__: | EnderTheThird, suppose it wouldn't help to know that I have 70ish unencrypted QAM channels too then, huh? and two cable boxes w/ firewire? |
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| [20:19:49] | EnderTheThird: | Thought I think the idiot that installed the trap on my line didn't do it quite right, because last I checked a few extra channels were getting through, like Discovery and a couple others. |
| [20:20:07] | EnderTheThird: | *Though |
| [20:20:07] | iamlindoro__: | Which, w/ multirec in Myth, makes for ten encoders to capture all that TV that isn't really worth watching anyway :) |
| [20:20:35] | iamlindoro__: | EnderTheThird, That's likely not the trap, there are a lot of places that leave discovery unencrypted-- |
| [20:20:37] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro__: no. That is definitely not helping your case. I think I have a ton of unencrypted QAM too, but I probably more than half are just junk. |
| [20:20:58] | iamlindoro__: | I've got about 70 after getting rid of languages I don't speak and the music channels |
| [20:21:15] | EnderTheThird: | ianlindoro__: does anyone even use those music channels? |
| [20:21:22] | jams: | iamlindoro- whats special about 2011? |
| [20:21:34] | iamlindoro__: | EnderTheThird, Users? well, not me, but it doesn't hurt to have 'em I suppose :) |
| [20:21:43] | jams: | <iamlindoro__> EnderTheThird, When cable co's *do* go digital only, which they can do at their leisure until 2011 |
| [20:22:19] | iamlindoro__: | jams, I said they could take there time *until* 2011... in 2012 they no longer have to have any analog |
| [20:22:39] | jams: | ok..where did the 2012 date come from? |
| [20:22:45] | iamlindoro__: | from the FCC? |
| [20:22:55] | iamlindoro__: | http://news.digitaltrends.com/news/story/1416 . . . v_until_2012 |
| [20:22:56] | jams: | huh must have missed that one |
| [20:23:43] | EnderTheThird: | All digital is great, but not if they get to grab the consumer by the balls while doing so. :-/ |
| [20:23:49] | EnderTheThird: | CableCARD is still a joke. |
| [20:24:00] | iamlindoro__: | meh, they're gonna dump cablecard |
| [20:24:10] | iamlindoro__: | It's going to be all Tru2way/CC 2.0 |
| [20:24:16] | iamlindoro__: | That and SDV |
| [20:24:36] | EnderTheThird: | The thing is that so few people will care anyway because most people prefer the convenience of a cable supplied STB/DVR |
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| [20:25:05] | justinh: | that's capitalism. I love it |
| [20:25:18] | EnderTheThird: | Anything new with Hauppauge's HD PVR? |
| [20:25:26] | iamlindoro__: | EnderTheThird, Just that it's coming RSN |
| [20:26:00] | EnderTheThird: | RSN = Renal Support Network? |
| [20:26:07] | EnderTheThird: | :) |
| [20:26:12] | iamlindoro__: | RuhlSoonNah |
| [20:26:23] | EnderTheThird: | I prefer my interpretation. |
| [20:26:24] | iamlindoro__: | (tm) |
| [20:27:45] | iamlindoro__: | Anyway, nothing new, really. My personal guess would be this summerish to have them in hand |
| [20:28:19] | jams: | dang this new case really makes the noise of the harddrive standout |
| [20:29:12] | iamlindoro__: | even then, there'll be a need for Myth integration, understanding the streams properly, etc... I think early fall is a fair bet for them being out and actually useful (preceding is my random-ass guess only) |
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| [20:34:19] | EnderTheThird: | Fall would be pretty sweet. |
| [20:34:21] | mkrufky: | people are dealing with that already |
| [20:34:34] | mkrufky: | mythtv will work with its streams by the time it matters |
| [20:34:51] | mkrufky: | i uploaded enough sample streams to the right people (i hope) |
| [20:35:48] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, problem with some of those people was/is getting them to look for more than half a second-- but yeah, the streams seem to work on recent mplayer/ffmpeg |
| [20:36:22] | mkrufky: | i gave much longer streams to some other people |
| [20:36:35] | mkrufky: | just dont have an easy way to make those available to more people |
| [20:36:40] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, anyway, I have been trying to ratchet everyone back one notch so that they can either a) be delirious when reality exceeds their expectations or b) be slightly less complainy when things aren't perfect :) |
| [20:37:13] | mkrufky: | i dont think there's anything to worry about |
| [20:37:17] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, "Whoops, I accidentally dropped that prototype in front of iamlindoro's house" would be fine |
| [20:37:36] | mkrufky: | yeah, but it wont do u any good to have a prototype |
| [20:37:37] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, I only mean timeline-wise, nto hardwarewise |
| [20:37:42] | iamlindoro__: | er not |
| [20:38:12] | mkrufky: | ah, gotcha |
| [20:38:23] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, because don't tell me you can't imagine someones saying "Hauppauge has three days left in March to get it out!" :) |
| [20:38:48] | mkrufky: | trust me... *i* am saying it already |
| [20:38:51] | iamlindoro__: | haha |
| [20:38:57] | mkrufky: | its not going to be released on monday — i know that much |
| [20:39:06] | iamlindoro__: | Tuesday it is, then! |
| [20:39:14] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [20:39:27] | justinh: | got some news that isn't really news? put it on mythtvnews.com :) |
| [20:39:32] | iamlindoro__: | next post on engadgethd: CONFIRMED: Hd-PVR to be released tuesday |
| [20:39:36] | mkrufky is now known as not_krufky | |
| [20:40:09] | justinh: | hmm why hasn't anybody replied to any of the requests for help on the facebook mythtv groups? :D |
| [20:40:50] | iamlindoro__: | because all it takes on the internet is for some fool in IRC to crack a joke and one of the Aspergers Syndrome people to read it out of context and it becomes... CONFIRMED! |
| [20:42:32] | iamlindoro__: | not_krufky, mkrufky, whoever you are, read! http://jezebel.com/373515/lollost-srsly-guiz- . . . nd-is-weeerd |
| [20:43:18] | not_krufky: | oh, hey... this is my jackface :-| |
| [20:44:14] | not_krufky: | oh, wow this is funny |
| [20:44:44] | iamlindoro__: | The Jin one is mildly sad, heh |
| [20:45:07] | not_krufky: | awwww |
| [20:45:22] | not_krufky: | i think claire will die next episode |
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| [20:46:07] | not_krufky: | i think that they're going to treat her like cheap life, then the next episode will be all emotional, while running for their lives |
| [20:46:19] | justinh: | meh. I can has not miffyteevee worky :( Anyone can plz? |
| [20:46:47] | not_krufky: | justinh: there's this guy juski — you should ask him, he knows everything |
| [20:46:49] | iamlindoro__: | not_krufky, I way thinking maybe there would be some reason only six could get off the island, and that she would give the baby to Kate to get him off, personally |
| [20:46:54] | ** not_krufky hides ** | |
| [20:46:55] | justinh: | sorry just leapt forward in time to when there are mythfrontend .msi files everywhere |
| [20:47:06] | ** iamlindoro__ dies a little inside ** | |
| [20:47:13] | not_krufky: | i was joking.... |
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| [20:47:47] | iamlindoro__: | lolmythz? |
| [20:47:58] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro__: perhaps... except the coming attractions have sawyer saying "they're going to kill each one of us!" as if somebody had already been killed |
| [20:48:18] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro__: and what about 2 weeks ago coming attractions — said somebody would die in the mid-season finale, but nobody died! |
| [20:48:26] | justinh: | maybe it's all a big ruse to cover up the fact the script still hasn't been found |
| [20:48:32] | mkrufky: | ha! |
| [20:48:33] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, erm, except the two people? |
| [20:48:48] | mkrufky: | i dont think justinh watches it, but he might just be right |
| [20:49:02] | mkrufky: | wait... am i missing something? |
| [20:49:06] | mkrufky: | who died in the last episodE? |
| [20:49:08] | justinh: | the reason it's called 'lost' is actually a case of crossed wires. Title: Lost ;) |
| [20:49:15] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, Rousseau and Karl? |
| [20:49:17] | mkrufky: | oof |
| [20:49:19] | mkrufky: | sorry |
| [20:49:21] | mkrufky: | you're right |
| [20:49:38] | mkrufky: | i keep forgetting about that. i am sad abotu danielle |
| [20:49:47] | justinh: | say anything about it though – the one thing they didn't misplace much is the ratings |
| [20:49:52] | mkrufky: | i _really_ want to know her real story |
| [20:50:19] | iamlindoro__: | She'll probably randomly show up and tell someone they've got work to do |
| [20:50:34] | Fen_Star_: | Ok, non myth tv question, Is there a reason my router would think my new fedora computer was preforming a SYN flood attk? |
| [20:50:45] | justinh: | Fen_Star_: pwnage? |
| [20:50:45] | czth_: | bad programming? |
| [20:51:06] | iamlindoro__: | Microsfot brand SafeRoute? |
| [20:51:09] | mkrufky: | heh, you're right iamlindoro |
| [20:51:24] | Fen_Star_: | microsoft what? |
| [20:51:42] | justinh: | my router was being dog slow so I disabled logging. now those fake shaw cable IPs can hammer my incoming connection as much as they like & it doesn't seem to be affected :) |
| [20:51:47] | iamlindoro__: | See, this is what I mean about Aspergers |
| [20:51:56] | iamlindoro__: | It. Was. A. JOKE! |
| [20:52:07] | Fen_Star_: | oh |
| [20:52:15] | Fen_Star_: | I'm slow |
| [20:53:24] | directhex: | http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/03/28/60-of-ph . . . are-pirates/ – i'd have expected higher, tbh |
| [20:53:25] | iamlindoro__: | couple that with an aversion to being touched and we'll have a real psychological evaluation going here |
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| [20:54:27] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, watched a special on China last night, they had a giant NetCafe that was devoted to Photoshop, and I was like, "there is no WAY they have a single license let alone hundreds." |
| [20:55:00] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, well, indeed. china doesn't actually understand the idea of copyright, so why would they? |
| [20:55:26] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, I think Adobe may be on to something with the free online version, though |
| [20:55:43] | justinh: | ahh the allyourpicsbelong2usnow.com thing |
| [20:56:28] | justinh: | I paid for all the creative software I use. does that make me some kind of weirdo? answers on a postcard... |
| [20:56:40] | directhex: | justinh, certainly in the minority |
| [20:56:50] | iamlindoro__: | for the vast majority of people who have nooo idea what most of the photoshop functionality is but pirate it to use the healing brush, it may catch on |
| [20:57:10] | justinh: | like all the people I know at work think 'free software' is just about warez |
| [20:57:42] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, people pirate photoshop to open file extensions they don't recognise. let alone for image editing |
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| [20:57:53] | iamlindoro__: | YARRRRRR |
| [20:57:57] | justinh: | that FOSS stuff comes & you don't have to apply patches/cracks – hey that's a bonus |
| [20:59:01] | ** iamlindoro__ broadsides #mythtv-users and sends a boarding party ** | |
| [20:59:08] | directhex: | the main barrier to entry for OOo isn't that it sucks (cough), it's that OOo for nothing seems a worse deal than msoffice for nothing |
| [20:59:14] | justinh: | haha there's an answer to the problem of windows mythtv users. hide the binaries behind calculus problems they have to solve before downloading :) |
| [20:59:18] | directhex: | though you can get msoffice pretty damn cheap these days |
| [20:59:43] | iamlindoro__: | OOo *does* suck though. |
| [20:59:50] | iamlindoro__: | I may even start a wiki page about it |
| [21:00:07] | justinh: | yeah it doesn't have a talking paper clip ffs. wtf is that all about? |
| [21:00:09] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, i don't deny that. but is it BALGE? |
| [21:00:40] | ** iamlindoro__ Googles BALGE and comes up FAIL ** | |
| [21:00:40] | wagner: | ive tried using OOcalc compared to excel, and OOcalc just dies |
| [21:00:58] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, by and large good enough |
| [21:01:00] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: you know, been thinking about that sucks page some more & AFAIK it's unique in the OSS community |
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| [21:01:10] | wagner: | all i want to do is open a large txt file and plot some data, excel does it without a problem |
| [21:01:22] | justinh: | wagner: so file a bug :) |
| [21:01:25] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, oh, well yes then! :) Have it on this machine, actually |
| [21:01:34] | wagner: | if i try to plot more data than excell can handle, it warns me of this |
| [21:01:48] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, well, the sentiment probably isn't unique, but the putting up with it probably is |
| [21:01:51] | wagner: | i try to do the same thing on OOcalc, half the time the load fails |
| [21:02:00] | iamlindoro__: | that is, putting up with the wiki page |
| [21:02:11] | justinh: | funny as this may sound, problems developers don't find out about don't ever get fixed! |
| [21:02:19] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, i work on a basic principle. i will not help people with unlicensed software. my dad wanted antivirus on his windows laptop, i told him he had to pay since it was a business laptop, or he could break the license for free av apps himself |
| [21:02:20] | wagner: | if i do get it open, i try to plot the data, only for it to fail silently |
| [21:02:25] | justinh: | (unless by accident) |
| [21:02:36] | wagner: | seems it has the same plot size limitation as excel, but it just doesnt let you know about it |
| [21:02:47] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, i install OOo on sister & wife's pcs. they're free to pay for msoffice |
| [21:03:00] | wagner: | if i do get it plotted, i have a bitch of a time configuring the plot to how i want it to look |
| [21:03:13] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, no argument coming from me-- I just need to dash off the occasional letter/edit the occasional spreadsheet meself |
| [21:03:14] | wagner: | and trying to resize it takes minutes |
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| [21:03:32] | justinh: | wagner: I just want a word processor that lets me change the font of a whole document & doesn't manage to screw up one solitary bullet point |
| [21:03:52] | justinh: | office still doesn't let me do that |
| [21:03:59] | PatrickDK: | I just want a word processer that will do my term papers for me |
| [21:04:26] | directhex: | i just want ale & whores |
| [21:04:39] | iamlindoro__: | No word processor for the term papers, but I've got a browser that might help you |
| [21:04:45] | justinh: | well, it's Friday night after all, directhex :D |
| [21:04:45] | wagner: | well my prof seems to want everyone to use latex... so apparently its VIM for me |
| [21:05:01] | iamlindoro__: | Mmmm, ale-y whores |
| [21:05:01] | justinh: | mmm kinky. latex :) |
| [21:05:17] | iamlindoro__: | Mmm, ale-y latex whores |
| [21:05:24] | justinh: | the latex protects you from the abrasive qualities of the VIM |
| [21:06:26] | wagner: | so how much do you have to drink yourself before the ale-breath on the whores isnt a turn off |
| [21:06:42] | justinh: | college professors are weird. I had one who wanted us all to learn to program in PASCAL, on dumb serial terminals connected to an ancient Prime minicomputer. Screw that |
| [21:07:20] | directhex: | justinh, i got an offer from a uni with a dumb terminal setup. this was in 2001. i think it's reasonable to expect more than 4 cpus for a department in 2001 |
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| [21:07:37] | justinh: | directhex: was that Teesside by any chance? ;) |
| [21:07:58] | wagner: | weve got some 1500 or so cpus in our department |
| [21:08:23] | justinh: | top tip for those of you planning to go to university.. don't go anywhere where you're likely to be the only person on your course who didn't get in through clearing |
| [21:08:42] | iamlindoro__: | penis measuring if 5..4..3..2.. |
| [21:08:43] | directhex: | justinh, RHUL |
| [21:08:44] | wagner: | 'clearing'? |
| [21:08:51] | iamlindoro__: | er in |
| [21:09:06] | directhex: | wagner, i have about that under my personal control |
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| [21:09:22] | directhex: | and 600 gig of ram in a box |
| [21:09:24] | justinh: | wagner: 'clearing' is where people scrobble around trying to find somewhere that'll take them when they don't meet the grades they needed to get in places they were offerred ;) |
| [21:09:32] | directhex: | upgrading to 1 terabyte on wednesday |
| [21:09:57] | justinh: | wagner: in other words.. 'last chance saloon' |
| [21:10:10] | iamlindoro__: | "safety school" |
| [21:10:22] | iamlindoro__: | in US parlance |
| [21:10:31] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: nah it's below that |
| [21:10:31] | wagner: | i under stand the meaning, just never heard the term |
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| [21:10:47] | justinh: | in the UK you have 1st 2nd & 3rd choices |
| [21:10:57] | iamlindoro__: | Hey, LOTS of people go to Hollywood Upstairs Medical College |
| [21:11:02] | justinh: | if you don't meet the specs for those.. off to clearing you go |
| [21:11:31] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, in the UCAS system, you apply to 6 universities. of those who respond, you can pick a first choice and a fallback choice (assuming you get 2 or more offers). miss both choices, and you start clearing |
| [21:11:41] | laga: | hey justinh |
| [21:11:54] | justinh: | ahh things have changed since I was a studink then |
| [21:11:57] | justinh: | hey laga |
| [21:12:12] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, I gotcha |
| [21:12:14] | directhex: | justin, i think that's how it still works, though the grades system has changed |
| [21:12:32] | justinh: | must have to work pretty damn hard to fail A-levels these days :) |
| [21:12:34] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, clearing generally involves franticly trying to fill empty spaces on real "bottom of the pile" courses |
| [21:13:05] | justinh: | hmm time to take the dog out so it can lay more eggs |
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| [21:47:51] | RyeBrye: | In the new MythUI – how many of these sweet QT4 features will be available for theming? |
| [21:47:51] | RyeBrye: | http://labs.trolltech.com:80/page/Graphics/Examples |
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| [21:50:16] | RyeBrye: | I think QTransform would have a lot of potential to do cool things to the video playback in a UI (i.e. when you hit the exit button instead of showing a gigantic dialog box in the middle of the screen – partially "barn door" the video off to the side and have the exit dialog show up there – and if you choose to go back to the video have it barn-door back to where it was... |
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| [21:52:24] | RyeBrye: | I'm really excited about the UI change, because IMO the UI is the biggest weakness of myth right now |
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| [22:14:22] | hadees: | I don't think the UI is that bad although certain plugins like MythMusic could use an overhaul |
| [22:14:48] | laga: | someone will always complain about something |
| [22:16:45] | hadees: | like complaining about complaining? =) |
| [22:16:49] | laga: | hah |
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| [22:23:23] | nordle: | Hi all, is there a nice way to ehh, renice Live TV playback so its got more chance of playing without jumps? I've got an Athlon64–3700 (2.4GHZ) single core, 1GB RAM and a Nvidia 6800 overclocked to 400/920. Mostly this makes for a very smooth setup at 1920x1080. Except when recording a channel, viewing another channel and transcoding a previous recording. I've had to kill mythtranscode a few times now. I've done mythtv-setup and set mythbackend t |
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| [22:24:23] | laga: | nordle: realtime priority for the video display thread? |
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| [22:25:19] | nordle: | laga: yeah exactly, thats whats needed, but this is supposed to be a TV, I would like to avoid having to SSH into the box just because things are a little busy. |
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| [22:25:56] | laga: | nordle: no, google it, you can make it permanent. maybe it'll help. |
| [22:26:05] | laga: | you can also renice mythcommflag |
| [22:26:14] | laga: | by default |
| [22:27:21] | nordle: | commflag is off |
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| [22:51:30] | nordle: | I installed latest nvidia driver remotely have gone from kernel 2.6.24.3 to .4, booted server. I'm recording a channel and gone to watch live tv (have dual tuners) and the picture is screwed, its like two images lay over the top of each other but missaligned by about 50mm. Looks like interlacing, but TV set to use Yadif(2x), I've tried setting it back to none. Crap, this was fine yesterday. Was it kernel or nvidia driver or... Another good examp |
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| [22:53:23] | iamlindoro_: | ...ple of you not verifying changes one by one? Yes. Yes it is. |
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| [23:07:43] | phrag: | hey =) |
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| [23:35:55] | nordle: | Ok, what the heck was that. I've just selected "use gui size for tv playback" and that fixed it. Picture gone from looking like a mashed interlaced mess to perfect. I haven't touched the myth config for a week, only changed kernel + nvidia driver (which I put back to the old one). Any ideas what thats all about? |
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| [23:39:54] | directhex: | what res are you running things at? |
| [23:40:06] | nordle: | 1920x1080 |
| [23:42:33] | directhex: | progressive scan? |
| [23:43:20] | nordle: | the panel is progressive, the dvb transmission is interlaced. |
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| [23:48:18] | otwin: | hm, i'm recording two shows on the same multiplex and it's using two different inputs – why would it do that? |
| [23:49:19] | nordle: | otwin: which version of myth? |
| [23:49:20] | iamlindoro: | If I had to guess I'd say either a) they're not on the same mux or b) you didn't set up the card properly by increasing "max recordings" in mythtv-setup |
| [23:50:06] | nordle: | How many dvb recordings can 1 card do on 1 mplex? Under kaffine it was 2, but myth seems to accept any number. |
| [23:50:08] | otwin: | nordle: 0.21-fixes r16743 |
| [23:50:37] | nordle: | otwin: ok, just checking, iamlindoro's suggestion then :) |
| [23:50:52] | iamlindoro: | the code caps max at 5... you can edit the code and do as many as you like |
| [23:52:19] | otwin: | iamlindoro: max recordings is 3 – i am trying to watch to watch livetv and both digital inputs are limited to the same multiplex. checked the recording schedules one is 'prefered input: any', one is set to a specific dvb card |
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| [23:53:51] | otwin: | it's no big deal, i just think it shouldn't that – but probably i'm missing sth... |
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| [23:57:51] | otwin: | oh, i see davilla was here – isn't he the guy who makes the appletv the perfect frontend? which reminds me that the appletv is less than half the price in the US than here... |
| [23:58:53] | lyricnz: | I tried the apple frontend last night. Basically works, but lots of UI/rendering issues. |
| [23:59:35] | otwin: | lyricnz: with a linux distro or osx frontend? |
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