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Wednesday, March 26th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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hti_pr1:

no one

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jduggan:

commflag fails flaggin from a cable stb

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jduggan:

its worked on one recording out of about 30

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jduggan:

useless ;o

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iamlindoro:

jduggan: If you are capturing via firewire, its that your cable co sends out a broken mpeg-2 stream, not myth's fault

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iamlindoro:

I know because I have the same issue

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iamlindoro:

It's fairly common, I believe the ticket that covers it is 2077, it also makes mythtranscode fail-- I posted my script that can be run on those recordings to make them works with mythtranscode, and also with commflagging in the ticket

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jduggan:

iamlindoro: its scart out to composite in on a pvr150

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iamlindoro:

Ah, never mind then :)

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iamlindoro:

In that case I blame your cable channels :)

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jduggan:

yea, i'd agree :)

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Led-Hed:

anyone here using MythTV on an AppleTV ?

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iamlindoro:

hti_pr1: I'm assuming you set it up as MPEG-2 capture card type and not v4l card type in mythtv-setup, right?

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hti_pr1:

yes this is correct

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iamlindoro:

What card?

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iamlindoro:

hti_pr1: ^^^^

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hti_pr1:

hauppauge pvr usb 2

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hti_pr1:

sorry

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iamlindoro:

In that case you should look at your backend logs, sounds as though you've set it up properly in mythtv-setup

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directhex:

Led-Hed, the appletv is rather lacking as a FE

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Led-Hed:

directhex, why is that? Its supports 720P

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Good on you for taking that one on-- I'm tried of having an argument every time I try to tell someone

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iamlindoro:

er tired

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directhex:

Led-Hed, not in myth it doesn't

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** Led-Hed thinks its better suited than a VIA Pico-ITX **

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hti_pr1:

earlier it wasn't logging anything now i get .... Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(1): Error, failed to find channel.

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directhex:

Led-Hed, what does "it supports 720p" mean to you, exactly?

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directhex:

Led-Hed, it's much better than a pico-itx, yes

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iamlindoro:

directhex: So now I just stay silent and let them do what they want-- nobody wants to hear answers they don't like around here

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Led-Hed:

it means that the hardware is capable of smooth 720p playback

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directhex:

Led-Hed, what's a 720p?

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Led-Hed:

HD

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TelnetManta:

When compiling, if I only want to install the frontend what ./configure command should I run?

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directhex:

they're no synonymous

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: you're just proving his point-- 720p by itself means nothing

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iamlindoro:

not without discussion of both codec *and* bitrate

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Led-Hed:

ok, 1280x720

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iamlindoro:

that's *still* just a resolution

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Led-Hed:

at 60 fields or 30 frames per sec

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iamlindoro:

if it's 60 fields per second it's not 720p...

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directhex:

Led-Hed, an old s3 trio will draw an image at 1280x720 if you ask it to

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Led-Hed:

directhex, but not smoothly

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TelnetManta:

When compiling, if I only want to install the frontend what ./configure command should I run???

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TelnetManta:

anyone?

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iamlindoro:

TelnetManta: you *must* know that it's rude to repeat yourself after less than a minute

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Led-Hed:

TelnetManta, check the wiki

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TelnetManta:

iamlindoro: It was 1 min 20 secs.

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TelnetManta:

:)

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TelnetManta:

I'll keep googling. thanks.

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iamlindoro:

TelnetManta: and thanks to that, you'll get no answer out of me

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Led-Hed:

lol

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directhex:

Led-Hed, i suggest a quick listen to http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/realmedia/fit4.ram

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TelnetManta:

not a problem, but thanks anyway.

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Led-Hed:

this channel cracks me up

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: You're still not getting it-- you haven't addressed codec, nor bitrate yet... resolution means *nothing*

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Led-Hed:

directhex, so what you are saying is that the AppleTV hardware isn't capable of smoothly playing HD content.

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TelnetManta:

yeah, its always hard to tell the mood. I just thought i may have been missed with the heavy conversation. I meant no offense.

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iamlindoro:

TelnetManta: edit the configure file-- you'll see the option there, commented out

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TelnetManta:

but, as I said, I have no problem googling for hours if I need to.

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, HDTV is Mpeg2 isn't it?

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directhex:

Led-Hed, no. i'm saying the appletv hardware is incapable of playing any "real" HD content smoothly when not using heavily optimised proprietary codecs

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TelnetManta:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: Some is, some isn't

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directhex:

Led-Hed, american broadcast hd, and a tiny minority of discs, are mpeg2

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Led-Hed:

My EPIA frontends seem to play SD Def TV @ 1366x768 @ 60FPS (BOB) ok.

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Led-Hed:

but as you said that is just a resolution.

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iamlindoro:

output resolution doesn't mean anything at all

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Led-Hed:

all my content is encoded in Mpeg2 via PVR-250

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iamlindoro:

even less than the file resolution, in fact

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directhex:

Led-Hed, so why do you want HD?

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Led-Hed:

ok, so maybe I'm mounting this horse from the wrong side.

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directhex:

Led-Hed, a pvr250 wouldn't know what hd was if it was beaten in the face with it

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Led-Hed:

What would you say the Min specs are to smoothly playback US Broadcast HD

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Led-Hed:

directhex, Well when I go HD I wont be using the PVR-250.

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: The short short version of this story is that a few people claim to have managed American HD broadcast playback, but not without hardware assistance, and American broadcast HD is on the low low *low* end of HD. h.264 at any meaningful bitrate and MPEG-2 at a decent one will make it very sad.

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directhex:

iamlindoro will have to call it. i don't use toy codecs where i can avoid it

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: If you *only* ever intend to do broadcast MPEG-2 HD, I (and it's a stretch, but...) believe it's probably possible to tweak the shit out of the ATV and make playback work... but it's a bad idea to cut it so close, you know?

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I got that. But what would you say the Min CPU is, 2GHz?

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: No, I'd say any modern, decent dual-core CPU will handle broadcast nicely

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iamlindoro:

From Pentium D on

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directhex:

iamlindoro, let's be fair, broadcast h264 will play on a "low end" dual core. mpeg2's not *that* demanding

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iamlindoro:

directhex: I completely agree-- was just writing something about how it would give him the option to do multithreaded decode of a nicer codec like h.264

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Led-Hed:

is HD from a cable box (Firewire -> Backend) different than OTA HD?

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: Only that it's likely to be slightly lower bitrate than OTA

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Led-Hed:

ok.

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iamlindoro:

otherwise, it's more or less the same

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Led-Hed:

so rather than an AppleTV I should look into a MacMini

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iamlindoro:

The Minis, from personal experience, are *nice* HD frontends

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iamlindoro:

up to and including high-bitrate h.264 material

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Led-Hed:

Damn! That just doubled the cost.

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iamlindoro:

Make sure you get an Intel C2D w/ Intel graphics, of course

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Led-Hed:

ya

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jduggan:

ive had crap experience with intel graphics

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jduggan:

all tearing

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directhex:

yay for educational discount

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Led-Hed:

directhex, what do they cost with an Edu-Discount

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iamlindoro:

jduggan: respectfully, that's a configuration issue, not an inherent hardware one

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directhex:

Led-Hed, 10–15% off. i forget the specifics

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Led-Hed:

ahh

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jduggan:

iamlindoro: so im told – i cant find a config that works flawlessly

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directhex:

i gotta go get lunch ready for tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

jduggan: That said, I guess there's lots of Intel graphics out there, my only experience was w/ those on the Mini, but I was satisfied

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Led-Hed:

$230 is totally doable for a HD frontend. Its hard to justify $600 per frontend

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iamlindoro:

jduggan: I imagine some of the older chipsets might be crap

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: If you *can* find a friend w/ edu discount it's $90 off the top

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iamlindoro:

It's not a ton, but it helps

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Led-Hed:

the AppleTV uses an nVidia 7300 GPU. I thought nVidia 6xxx and above GPU's could offload the HD processing.

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jduggan:

Led-Hed: not on linux

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I'm a 1/2 time student. Not sure what qualifies for an Edu Discount

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: it's 5xxx, and yes, you can use xvmc to help a little bit, but it's really not much-- you *must* use XvMC on the ATVs to amek HD work at all

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: I imagine that would count for a discount

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Led-Hed:

maybe I'll just build an Intel Based Mini-Itx

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, will the MacMini Netboot (PXE)?

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directhex:

costs more than a mac mini

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Led-Hed:

directhex, I already have a CPU and RAM,

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: I really don't know, TBH... I imagine it would, it's a fairly standard Intel chipset across the board

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iamlindoro:

google says yes

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Diskless_Mac-Mini_Howto

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Led-Hed:

I use MiniMyth on all my frontends. Makes setting up a new frontend very easy.

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jduggan:

hrm

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, thats for the PPC Mini

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jduggan:

there's no cheap mac mini's on ebay

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jduggan:

atleast not c2d's

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Led-Hed:

jduggan, there isnt anything Mac that is cheap

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jduggan:

Led-Hed: the mini is considered cheaper to buy than to build a comparitive spec box – im just saying prices on ebay dont reflect that :)

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: Google *still* says yes ;)

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, thanks.

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** Freman wonders if he should edit http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_ . . . nd_Addons%29 and add his url to the work around for the 3rd item on the list **

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** Led-Hed is bummed. He was gonna run out to Costco and get an AppleTV. **

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iamlindoro:

Wow, interestingly, all intel macs support netboot, good stuff

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Led-Hed:

the beauty of the AppleTV is HDMI. Only 1 cable is appealing

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, you ever use MiniMyth?

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iamlindoro:

Nope, all my myth machines are FULL ATX

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iamlindoro:

MOAR SLOTZ

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Freman:

only one cable... meh I don't get to see the back of my box – the 10 cables that come out don't bother me

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iamlindoro:

MOAR TUNERZ

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, you dont have to use an EPIA, I have 2 MiniMyths that are AMD+nVidia ATX boxes.

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: MOAR!!!

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iamlindoro:

MOAR HARD DRIVES, MOAR FANZ!

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Led-Hed:

why would you want fanz on a frontend?

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xris:

Led-Hed: mine are quiet

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: because my frontends aren't in the same room as their displays :)

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, how do you handle the remote?

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Led-Hed:

IR in the wall?

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jamesd:

i want fanz, but i don't want them to run 99% of the time.

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iamlindoro:

All the equipment lives in one closet, all cabling is in the walls, and the IR is wall-mount as well

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Led-Hed:

xris, mine are too. Most of the are fanless

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sshirley:

Hi all. I have an interesting problem with MythTV. :-)

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Freman:

I just build 2 very nice myth boxes a frontend that was an epia (something I'll never do again – so fidlly) and a back/frontend on a nvidia microatx – very nice

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minthome:

does, uh... the trunk have the addon's and themes?

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minthome:

or is that a seperate svn all together?

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, what would you say your longest IR cable run is?

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Freman:

I'm going to upgrade mine to use one of those silent water cooling systems with the big cooling tower radiator :)

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Led-Hed:

Freman, watercooling is overrated.

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: It's USB, but I'd say no more than 20 feet or so

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sshirley:

I recently changed directories on recordings. Now it seems that whenever I watch live tv, it ends on on my hard drive where I want my recordsing to go. When I schedule something to record, it doesn't

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Led-Hed:

Just but a portable AC unit.

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iamlindoro:

minthome: trunk just = current development of all things myth, so there is trunk/mythtv and trunk/mythplusings, which are checked out seperately

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iamlindoro:

er mythplugins

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, ahh. I was considering doing the same thing, except I use Lirc_Homebrew.

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minthome:

gotcha, thanks

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: It's awful clean looking, and more silent than the silent-est frontend :) Plus I can fit a dozen tuners, tons of disks, etc. in without worries about sound

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minthome:

iamlindoro, what's the difference in themes and myththemes? I assume themes is user themes?

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iamlindoro:

Not that I *have* a dozen tuners, I'm just using four right now, but nice to know I could :)

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iamlindoro:

minthome: myththemes is core themes, just "themes" is user-contributed, yes

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, thats 1 HAWT closet

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Freman:

Led-Hed: it is, and it isn't – I can kill the noise of 3 fans and add cooling to the hard disks.

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: It do get warm, I'll admit... but I leave lots of clearance between items and put a vent into the ceiling

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minthome:

how's trunk doing right now? should I stick with 21-fixes?

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iamlindoro:

minthome: I would *strongly* advise against trunk as of today

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minthome:

thank you much...

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I have a portable AC in my closet.

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iamlindoro:

.21-fixes is very recent, you're not missing much, and today the qt4 branch went in so unless you're in it for the bug-squashing, stick with .21-fixes

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iamlindoro:

Led-Hed: managed to get away without it, just having the egress for the air seems to have worked well over the last year. Had one drive failure but I consider that par for the course on any complex setup

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I need to rig some kind of smart vent so that I dont have to run the AC in the Winter.

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squish102:

i have a find command i need a little help with. i get error with find: missing argument to `-exec'

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squish102:

find /storage/recordings -name \*.old -ctime 2 -exec rm {}\;

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jamesd:

find "{}" \;

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squish102:

i get the same error

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jamesd:

it find . -exec rm "{}" \;

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TheAsp:

find . -print0 | xargs -0r rm

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TheAsp:

:)

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squish102:

ok i needed a space between {} and \;

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squish102:

works now thanks

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territory:

anyvbody kno how i can figure out why my streaming flash videos from mythweb dont have audio

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iamlindoro_:

because you're on ubuntu and they give you broken ffmpeg with no mp3 support :)

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territory:

any easy way to fix this

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xris:

territory: because you didn't compile your own version of ffmpeg with mp3 support

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xris:

iamlindoro: not broken. just "gpl compatible"

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iamlindoro_:

xris: Bah!!

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mjj29:

nothing to do with the gpl

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xris:

mjj29: yes it does.

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mjj29:

to do with the active patents on mp3 decoders

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xris:

mjj29: which has to do with the gpl

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mjj29:

xris: not really

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xris:

gpl and patents don't get along

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mjj29:

gpl covers copyright

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mjj29:

is ffmpeg gpl3?

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xris:

I believe there are also interpretations of v2 that cover patent incompatibilities.

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territory:

any easy way to recompile ffmpeg with mp3 support?

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iamlindoro_:

territory: if you consider the normal way of compiling easy, then yes :)

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mjj29:

xris: hmm, you're right, S7 seems to cover that

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iamlindoro_:

territory: presuming you *are* on ubuntu, there are *many* howtos on how to compile ffmpeg on the ubuntu forums IIRC

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iamlindoro_:

It's not as hard as you think, build-dep FTW

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territory:

i am

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mjj29:

territory: depends, if you just need to recompile ubuntu source with a different compile flag it's easy

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** mkrufky says hello to the world **

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mjj29:

if they stripped stuff from the source, it's harder

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Hola!

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xris:

mjj29: I have to answer that question a LOT in here.

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territory:

aight think i found info from google

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mkrufky:

:-) I had a huge merge today ... stuff that was waiting for weeks and weeks and weeks.,...

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xris:

thought I had a thing about flash mp3 in the readme for mythweb, though.. guess I left if off because people aren't supposed to turn that on in mythweb unless they know what they're doing.

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Any new goodies we'd like?

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mkrufky:

finally we have real support for hybrid tuners

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mjj29:

apt-get install build-essential fakeroot dpkg-dev; apt-get source ffmpeg; apt-get build-dep ffmpeg; cd ffmpeg-*; vim debian/rules (change the ./configure line); dch -i (bumps the version); dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot

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iamlindoro_:

ah, nice!

[01:05:05]

mjj29:

^^ the quick how-to if it's just a compile option

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mkrufky:

ie: one tuner module for one tuner, instead of splitting between tuner-simple and dvb-pll

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mjj29:

(and assuming that's the package name)

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mkrufky:

to most users, no difference at all.....

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mkrufky:

the only really noticeable difference is on cards with tuv1236d / fcv1236d, such as the kworld atsc110/5

[01:06:20]

joecurlee:

hi, i have been having issues with HDTV since upgrading to 0.21 so I uninstalled mythtv and reinstalled mythtv 0.20 using synaptic (on ubuntu 7.10)... no for some reason I can't add my capture card...

[01:06:27]

joecurlee:

I'm using an HDHomeRun capture device and am able to detect and ping it

[01:06:30]

mkrufky:

now you have much better control of which input spigot to use for analog / atsc / qam

[01:06:35]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Have a 110 and 115, but using the NTSC side would make me feel dirty

[01:07:12]

joecurlee:

when adding "new capture card" in mythtv-setup I choose the HDHomeRun box and choose "finish" but it doesn't seem to save it...

[01:07:19]

jamesd:

iamlindoro i agree, i feel the same way, and i have 2x 115's

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mkrufky:

hehehe... i actually like to use tvtime for analog when im sitting in front of my pc working on stuff...... if i start a HD stream then i end up WATCHING it

[01:07:59]

mkrufky:

but i always use analog for "background noise"

[01:08:03]

joecurlee:

if i navigate to "input connections" i get a blank menu... google is turning up no results. any help would be very useful. thanks

[01:08:15]

directhex:

medibuntu provides "illegal" ffmpeg builds

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: How are you going to live w/o LOST for a few weeks? :)

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directhex:

to save faffing about

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xris:

aha.. "[mythweb] currently expects that ffmpeg is installed and compiled with mp3 support".. from the warning on the page you go through to turn it on.

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xris:

maybe I should change that to add "which most distributions DO NOT have"

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iamlindoro_:

"This means YOU, *buntu!"

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mkrufky:

thats a good question, iamlindoro_

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directhex:

xris, or just test for it?

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** mkrufky knows who Jacob is **

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Oh yeah?

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xris:

directhex: because I'm lazy and it's a proof of concept.

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xris:

and people would complain that they have ffmpeg installed and the flv player STILL doesn't work.

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Your own conclusion, or a spoiler somewhere?

[01:09:55]

mkrufky:

fact — from the show

[01:10:03]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: What'd I miss??

[01:10:11]

mkrufky:

go to s4e01, watch when hurley finds the shack, freeze frame it when you see the guy on the rockingchair

[01:10:22]

mkrufky:

take a screenshot,. throw it into photoshop

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mkrufky:

(or the GIMP)

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mkrufky:

and lighten it up, then observe the identity

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: this sounds like I lot of wrk, I'll just guess it's Jack's dad and leave it at that :)

[01:10:45]

mkrufky:

yes!

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iamlindoro_:

hehe

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mkrufky:

how did YOU know?

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directhex:

xris, so when they try to enable it, run "/path/to/suggested/ffmpeg --help 2>&1 | grep lame" and throw an error on no output. it's not much more complex than that is it?

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: I'd been guessing for a while, he showed up on the island in episode one and hasn't been heard from since

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xris:

except that older versions of ffmpeg still say "mp3"

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: 'course, now I'm gonna have to do the screenshot thing :)

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xris:

or might say something else

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_ did you see missing pieces # 13 ?

[01:12:11]

mkrufky:

iamlindoro_ i didnt actually do the screenshot myself — its on lostpedia

[01:12:14]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: No, I don't really follow much of the stuff outside the show itself TBH, even though I love it

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directhex:

xris, so grep for mp3. it's mp3lame here.

[01:12:23]

xris:

yeah

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_ you will thank me for this — here is one full episode worth of footage

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xris:

but I'm lazy, so I probably won't

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iamlindoro_:

:) Ooh!

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directhex:

xris, patches accepted?

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xris:

if they're good/clean

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: you must watch this in its entirety — do not cheat, you;ll only be hurting yourself.

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iamlindoro_:

hehe, ok

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xris:

would need to pull path from env and check all possible locations for ffmpeg, etc.

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directhex:

xris, php & javascript? how could it not be?

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mkrufky:

lol, firefox crashed ...

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: go to lost.abc.com , click on "missing pieces home" link on the left

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mkrufky:

...and watch THEM ALL!

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iamlindoro_:

hehe, ok, I shall

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mkrufky:

ping me when you're done, and i'll point out a few things for you

[01:14:47]

iamlindoro_:

thanks

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mkrufky:

you're welcome

[01:15:14]

** iamlindoro_ wonders if you can download them as video files **

[01:15:23]

** mkrufky wishes **

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iamlindoro_:

erm, here they are :)

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xris:

iamlindoro_: the new real player lets you suck any web flv content down to your local drive.

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mkrufky:

ok, this is showing them in reverse order from when they were released, but that doesnt matter ... so long as you see all of them

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xris:

and it doesn't suck that badly.... (then again, I have to stick up for my friend who is in charge of the project)

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iamlindoro_:

Heh... I've become a snob about web video

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iamlindoro_:

I'm gonna grab them and watch 'em on the box

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: how can i do that?

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** mkrufky feels dumb, suddenly **

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minthome:

wtf ERROR! You must have a threaded Qt installed to compile MythTV.

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minthome:

i'm using qt 4.3.3–4

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territory:

yay i got my ffmpeg with mp3 compiled ;]

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territory:

and working

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iamlindoro_:

minthome: if you are using release, myth requires qt3, not 4

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minthome:

Ah... that'll do it

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mcquaid:

my box crashed and on reboot. somehow the mixer defaulted to recording mic instead of cd audio (my tuner passes throuhg cd audio on the mobo)

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mcquaid:

i don't actually see anywhere to set to record on line in/mic/cd audio. can that be configured in .21?

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minthome:

iamlindoro_, yep, rolled back to qt3 and it works fine

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territory:

how do i use unrar with ubuntu, never did b4, i tried unrar e file.rar

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territory:

and it said no files to extract

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DustyBin:

i can confirm that the Hauppauge Nova-T 500 with the latest firmware / v4l drivers is pretty dam stable as long as EIT is turned off

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DustyBin:

ive never seen mythtv this stable ever :D

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DustyBin:

infact im waiting for the bastard to crash

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DustyBin:

hurry up and crash

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DustyBin:

if mythtv carries on like this im going to have to install it on windows, that will teach it

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mkrufky:

DustyBin: what kernel version are you running?

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DustyBin:

Host 'server', running Linux 2.6.22-3–686 – Cpu0: Intel 3192 MHz Cpu1: Intel 3192 MHz; Up: 4d+4:11; Users: 4; Load: 0.15; Free: [Mem: 17/1012 Mio] [Swap: 486/486 Mio] [/: 3317/3753 Mio] [/boot: 70/92 Mio] [/home: 1676/1877 Mio] [/mnt/stream: 78114/187817 Mio] [/mnt/mythtv: 141233/190648 Mio] [/mnt/torrent: 57800/61868 Mio] [/tmp: 437/471 Mio] [/usr: 2005/3753 Mio] [/var: 2125/2819 Mio] [/mnt/flac: 441223/469431 Mio] [/mnt/netstore: 336897/469453 Mio

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mkrufky:

ok

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Aval0n:

anyone know a command line to toggle ac3 playback in myth?

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Aval0n:

ac3 passthrough

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Aval0n:

I would like to program a remote button to do it.

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DustyBin:

use the green + grey menu to choose a soundtrack

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DustyBin:

or assign a key for it on your remote

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Well, I've watched them, tough to fit them into the contexts out of order like that

[02:14:26]

mkrufky:

well, they are individual — they dont mean anything all put together

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, I know, just saying trying to figure out where they come in the course of the show

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mkrufky:

but i believe that "so it begins" proves to us that that really *is* jack's father

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mkrufky:

unlike yemmie

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iamlindoro_:

I've often thought the fact taht he was flying his fathers body back was going to be relevant, so kinda makes me wonder whether he's a "vessel" of some sort

[02:16:03]

mkrufky:

hmmm

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mkrufky:

i hadnt really thought of it like that

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iamlindoro_:

I mean, obviously he wasn't sitting around on the island pulling strings all that time before the show, he did have a life and timeline beforehand

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directhex:

xris, done

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iamlindoro_:

that said, who's to say if the island can heal paralysis, etc. that it can't turn back death

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Aval0n:

DustyBin: how are you doing that?

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PatrickDK:

don't tell me your talking about lost?

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mkrufky:

lol

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DustyBin:

Aval0n: doing what

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iamlindoro_:

yarp

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Aval0n:

button to change from ac3 passthrough

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Aval0n:

or maybe that's not what you were saying

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DustyBin:

Aval0n: have a look to see if you can assign a key to it

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DustyBin:

in the myth edit keys menu

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directhex:

xris, http://pastebin.ca/957621

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xris:

ticket

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directhex:

haven't made one yet

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xris:

just saying that I'll lose it without a ticket. :)

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: this is one of those things that i havent been able to really find an explanation for

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DustyBin:

Aval0n: or here yourmythweb/mythweb/settings/mythtv/keys

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Aval0n:

Here is my problem. I have HDMI out and it carries audio to MY tv. It is the SAME feed that my tosslink cable sends out to my reciever. So for normal TV the receiver is off and the TV is on. Works great. Now for when I watch a movie I have it go to the reciever.. but I want THX select2 or DTS I need to enable ac3 passthrough which on my TV just hisses

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Aval0n:

ok thanks

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: the whole thing about dead characters telling us that they know they're dead but they appear nonetheless

[02:20:40]

iamlindoro_:

ie Charlie?

[02:20:54]

mkrufky:

yeah

[02:20:58]

mkrufky:

and yemmie

[02:21:08]

mkrufky:

and christian shepheard

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mkrufky:

at first i thought that they were manifestations of the smoke monster..... but we know that isnt true, after "so it begins" missing pieces #13

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: My running team is entirely filled with Lost addicts-- we ran a half a marathon on Saturday talking about LOST, hehe

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mkrufky:

haha

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mkrufky:

my office is full of them

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mkrufky:

well, half of us watch lost, the other half poke fun at those of us that watch lost

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iamlindoro_:

We work out at a track on Thursday nights and all dash home to catch LOST... I got drinking w/ the team because I have Myth ;)

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iamlindoro_:

er I go

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iamlindoro_:

MythTV = less speeding, more drinking!

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mkrufky:

hehehe

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territory:

hm, i cant seem to configure my videos settings

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territory:

not recordings

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directhex:

xris, there. ticket 5041

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territory:

the videos

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directhex:

now nobody can say i won't put my code where my mouth is!

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directhex:

and that should eliminate ubuntu users turning on flv streaming inappropriately

[02:26:22]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: So I'm curious, who is it they hadn't cast when filming one of those?

[02:27:05]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: The other thing that just occurred to me, did we ever figure out what the "injections" people allegedly needed to survive were in season 1?

[02:27:26]

mkrufky:

injections, for claire and aaron?

[02:27:29]

iamlindoro_:

yah

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mkrufky:

hmm.... i forgot about those

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directhex:

anything with delenn in it has got to be good, right?

[02:27:52]

DustyBin:

this is a nice looking mythtv theme

[02:27:57]

DustyBin:

http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/screenshots.html

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: Heh, 'til this week

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directhex:

DustyBin, don't approve of mepo-wide when justinh is in earshot

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DustyBin:

LOL

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mkrufky:

"the deal" too place in season 2, before michael went back and killed you know who — juliet's first episode was "a tale of two cities" s03e01

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mkrufky:

s/too/took

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iamlindoro_:

you know who(s) ;)

[02:29:45]

mkrufky:

true

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mkrufky:

supposedly the OTHER one was supposed to make an appearance this season

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: the other other one besides the one from this week?

[02:30:30]

mkrufky:

yeah

[02:30:38]

iamlindoro_:

hmm... bringing all the DUIs back

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mkrufky:

but i dont know if thats true or not

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mkrufky:

lol yeah

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mkrufky:

jin got a dwi, btw

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mkrufky:

did you know that?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

guess he's really toast now

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mkrufky:

howard stern asked jj abrams if he will die

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iamlindoro_:

Which sucks 'cause he's one of my favorite characters

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mkrufky:

it doesnt mean anything to die on this show

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iamlindoro_:

Hehe, right, but I want to see him+Sun+Behbeh happy

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iamlindoro_:

I only really care about them, Hurley, maybe Sayid...

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mkrufky:

me too... but i dont want this to turn into another "change the future" show

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iamlindoro_:

Jack+Kate+Sawyer+Locke = meh

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mkrufky:

claire?

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: There's a *high* likelihood that it will turn that way, though, IMO

[02:33:14]

mkrufky:

yeah i think you're right

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iamlindoro_:

That said, I'll get over it if they write it right :)

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iamlindoro_:

I can't take many more endings like "Ji Yeon"

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mkrufky:

heroes kinda beat that storyline to death, and they'll probably do it again next year

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iamlindoro_:

Heroes + Any Star Trek, ever

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mkrufky:

u didnt like how ji yeon was written?

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: No, I loved it! One of my favorites in a Loooooong time, just a very sad ending

[02:34:27]

mkrufky:

ah, yes

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mkrufky:

agreed

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: It's one of the first shows I've gone back to watch three or four times because it's just so "perfect."

[02:35:08]

mkrufky:

im still very surprised by the MOST recent death

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iamlindoro_:

x 2

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mkrufky:

...and i was kinda hoping we'd get a flashback episode for her, eventually

[02:35:27]

iamlindoro_:

well, nobody will miss whatsisname

[02:35:52]

iamlindoro_:

but as you said, dying means nothing on this show :)

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mkrufky:

yeah, but once a character dies, i doubt we'll have any more episodes that focus on that character

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iamlindoro_:

true

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mkrufky:

ie, not a flashback ep for that char

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territory:

whats best player to play x264 (mkv) files

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territory:

mplayer or vlc

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territory:

or no difference

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bsdfox:

how do I disable slow delete by mythweb?

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iamlindoro_:

territory: internal in .21 plays h.264 codec in MKV containers nicely

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iamlindoro_:

territory: x264 is the encoder, h.264 is the codec

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territory:

mines playing it from mplayer

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iamlindoro_:

territory: That's all user-definable. If you want it to have a consistent interface like TV playback, use internal

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territory:

u happen to kno offhand where to config that

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iamlindoro_:

Media Settings->Video Settings->File Types

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territory:

k thnx i'l take a look

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territory:

it has use default player checked

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iamlindoro_:

So uncheck it

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iamlindoro_:

and put "Internal" without quotes as the player

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territory:

where

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territory:

theres no place to put a player

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territory:

it says Command:

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territory:

but it dont let me put anything

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iamlindoro_:

Then you're using a broken theme

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territory:

i just unchecked use default

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territory:

and its not using mplayer now

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territory:

seems like internal

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territory:

i can hit info and shit

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iamlindoro_:

If you have the default player set as internal, then yes, it would

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territory:

default player is mplayer

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territory:

i unchecked default

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territory:

seems to be playing mkv with internal now

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iamlindoro_:

Yep, if you leave the command blank, it also would

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territory:

american pie on starz ;X

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imnot_here:

What change happend in the SVN latly that would prevent mysql from connecting?

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ahbritto:

Help? Mar 25 19:58:13 loss kernel: go7007: error transferring firmware

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imnot_here:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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imnot_here:

QSqlDatabase: available drivers:

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imnot_here:

2008-03–25 23:02:15.459 Unable to init db connection.

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iamlindoro_:

imnot_here: If you are running SVN from right now-right now, it's a baaaaad time to be trying trunk

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iamlindoro_:

but that error is *generally* missing libqt3-mt-mysql package

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iamlindoro_:

hope you checked out at least 12 hours ago, though

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imnot_here:

i though they are using qt4 noww.

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imnot_here:

uhh no.. more like 4 lol

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imnot_here:

how come?

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iamlindoro_:

they are, but the qt4 merge means myth is more broken than not

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iamlindoro_:

so if you're in it for the bug-squashing, then have fun :)

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imnot_here:

well as long as i can wacth my recordings w/o it randomly skipping.. ill be happy

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iamlindoro_:

no promises that you can watch recordings at all, but best of luck :)

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imnot_here:

lol

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imnot_here:

yeh well you win some.. you loose some

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Chutt:

iamlindoro, uh, nothing's majorly broken.

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imnot_here:

im a programmer.. more windows then anything latly..

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imnot_here:

... cant seem to get my foot into myth programming though.. never leared qt..

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iamlindoro_:

Chutt: Just trying to set expectations appropriately :)

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** imnot_here remembers my moffit days **

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imnot_here:

iamlindoro: im using bleeiding edge.. i expect random crashes ;)

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Chutt:

iamlindoro, no, you're not.

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iamlindoro_:

Chutt: but you're right, I should have said "*expect* it to be more broken than not."

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Chutt:

again, that's not true.

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iamlindoro_:

Chutt: whoah, ok, my mistake, sheesh...

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imnot_here:

lol

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imnot_here:

can any one suggest some good qt tutorials to get my feet wet

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Chutt:

doc.trolltech.com

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imnot_here:

i'd love to start on a mpd plugin for myth :)

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Chutt:

there's lots of tutorials/examples on their site

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imnot_here:

cool thaanx

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Chutt:

and for your error, you're just missing the mysql plugin

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ahbritto:

Loading ConvertX firmware manually works, but fails when mythtv tries it. Help?

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imnot_here:

yeh i noticed..

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imnot_here:

but its taking its SWEET time to sart up mythtv-setup

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imnot_here:

ooo db backup...

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imnot_here:

nice... upgrade promots ... see some ones been busy..

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imnot_here:

how do u update the svn?

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iamlindoro_:

svn up

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** imnot_here feels stupid all of a suddon **

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm having some problems installing mythweb in gentoo. http://pastebin.ca/957682

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JoeyJoeJo:

I've got apache2 installed

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imnot_here:

ummm... the latest svn .. the lowest part of the playback (mpeg) flickers ?!!?

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Anduin:

imnot_here: You are updated as of when?

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imnot_here:

4 hours ago...

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imnot_here:

appx

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Anduin:

imnot_here: update, try again

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imnot_here:

yep that fixed it...

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imnot_here:

my slave doesnt wnan work:-S

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imnot_here:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)

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imnot_here:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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imnot_here:

lol oh and it segfaults right after

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imnot_here:

hmmm seems my mythbackend segfaults..

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imnot_here:

pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/957698

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Anduin:

not discouraging the use of trunk by the less brave is a departure from the recent posts to -dev

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imnot_here:

?

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Anduin:

sorry, was just reading the scrollback

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Chutt:

Anduin, only way to find any remaining breakages

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: well mum's the word from me after that swift kick in the proverbial nuts I got

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Anduin:

Chutt: I agree, just pointing out that if one were to go by the -dev list... people were warned away.

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Anduin:

imnot_here: When it assumes localhost, is that assumption correct?

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imnot_here:

hmmm no its not

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imnot_here:

sql is another server...

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Anduin:

imnot_here: Are you disabling the UPnP stuff?

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imnot_here:

its fine now

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imnot_here:

mythtv-setup didnt complain about the setting being wrong..

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imnot_here:

must be a new variable?!?!?

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Anduin:

imnot_here: I can reproduce the segv though

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imnot_here:

only change i had was

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imnot_here:

DBHostName=192.168.32.225

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imnot_here:

was change from DBHostName= (<- this was seg faulting)

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feld:

I just want the frontend — any experiences with either?

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feld:

err ignore that

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feld:

i meant to say this first

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feld:

anyone here run MythTV on OSX/intel? I saw some packages here http://macvana.com/mythtv/RELEASES/ and http://www.thesniderpad.com/component/option, . . . y/Itemid,36/

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feld:

now, as i was saying, i just want the frontend without any hassles — any experience with either?

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iamlindoro:

feld, not sure what the question is-- they're just builds from SVN. What do you want to know about them?

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feld:

I know nothing about Myth frontend on OSX

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feld:

does it require X?

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iamlindoro:

No, it does not.

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feld:

or will it "just work"? :)

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JoeyJoeJo:

feld: you can find binaries of the frontend for OSX that just work

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iamlindoro:

JoeyJoeJo: He knows, he just linked to them ;)

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JoeyJoeJo:

man, already a step ahead of me

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feld:

i just wanted to make sure things would be okay... sometimes open source projects arent so native on OSX

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iamlindoro:

feld: It works, it's native. 16:9 HD TV playback didn't work last time I tried (was all squished into 4:3) but that may have since been resolved

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feld:

that's okay i dont have 16:9 HD coming through MythTV anyway :)

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feld:

It will probably run like crap over 802.11G though

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feld:

but it should be *okay*

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iamlindoro:

If it's SDTV, it should be, yes "ok"

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iamlindoro:

anyway, otherwise it's just a normal .app

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feld:

i did it once a long time ago with a slow linux laptop and it worked decently

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feld:

http://conceptpop.com/add-a-secret-passage-way-in-your-house

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mcquaid:

i'm attempting to stream with mythweb. i have it enabled, but i just get connect to ip addy... in the browser. i don't see anything in mythtv's logs

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mcquaid:

is there anywhere else mythweb would log ?

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RyeBrye:

did you check httpd logs?

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** RyeBrye doesn't know where the mythweb logs go **

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mcquaid:

i got it working, in my mucking i checked force https in streaming. didn't know that affecting flash streams doh

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mcquaid:

this patch works fine so far, using mencoder for nuv files ;)

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RyeBrye:

cool

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hti_pro:

have a hauupauge pvr usb2 card setup in mythtv just as this wiki says http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2 but myth still says tuner unavailable..... The only thing I can find in the terminal from mythtv-setup is this DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 4

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hti_pro:

all issues from web search yield only results for dvb cards

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hti_pro:

I have no output in the logs except ΅TV: Attempting to change from None to None" in the frontend log

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_banyan:

Hey all — anyone know off the top of their head why my frontend doesn't show any of the menu text? It just shows and changes the icons when I go between menu items, but there is no text.

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RyeBrye:

I've had that on some themes before

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RyeBrye:

try a different theme

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hti_pro:

anyone have any ideas of what i should look for or

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RyeBrye:

no idea here... never used a usb tuner

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hti_pro:

thanks

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hti_pro:

I guess I will just reinstall myth, the last time I installed myth it picked it right up.

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_banyan:

hmm, same problem with a new theme.

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Anduin:

_banyan: Which theme painter? (painter, fonts, theme being the usual problems)

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_banyan:

opengl is a nonstarter. qt doesn't work either. Tried both gant and Retro.

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_banyan:

Without queries to the settings table I can't tell you any more because, um, none of the info shows up!

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Raspberry:

so with 0.21 ... does MythVideo support multiple directories?

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Raspberry:

I can't find any documentation on the web (just a link to how to compile and install the module)

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Raspberry:

I'd really love to have a couple of top-level directories in my video library... with 0.20 I've been adding them 1 by 1 and then not deleting the database

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Raspberry:

but I thought I noticed the wording change to "directories" instead of directory

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tank-man:

just use symlinks

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Raspberry:

genius :P sometimes I think I spend too much time in Windows :P

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hadees:

It doesn't happen very often but every once and a while MythTV won't record shows right and i just get a 0.00 file in the interface when it tries to use that tuner. Then I have to restart (possibly just kill mythbackend and reload the ivtv module). I was wondering if there would be some way i could automate this so after the first time it happens it reloads itself.

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Tanthrix:

Apart from writing some kind of script that monitors your record directory for files that remain zero bytes after X amount of time and then performing the necessary tasks, I don't think there is anything you could do

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hadees:

maybe thats what i will do

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hadees:

its really annoying when it happens to a show i really wanted to watch

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Tanthrix:

Presumably all you'd need to do is make a script that kills mythbackend, reloads whatever tuner is having issues, then restarts mythbackend. Not sure how you'd make it monitor file sizes

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hadees:

i don't think i need to monitor file sizes

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hadees:

from what i can tell of the backend logs i don't think it is creating the files to being with

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hadees:

so i just need to compare the files in the database to what files actually exist

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hadees:

only thing is then i have to figure out how to cleanly delete the files from the database

[08:37:02]

hadees:

i wonder if the mythtv perl modules can do that

[08:37:20]

hadees:

i mean delete the recordings from the database

[08:37:33]

justinh:

Raspberry: mythvideo has supported multiple directories for ages. What was lacking was the knowledge the field is a colon (or is it semicolon) separated list :)

[08:37:55]

justinh:

Raspberry: in 0.21 the help text for the path entry box now tells you

[08:38:14]

hadees:

justinh, wow, i never knew that, then again i never really needed too

[08:38:31]

hadees:

i wish mythvideo had better support for tv shows though

[08:38:35]

justinh:

I didn't know that until fairly recently either

[08:38:50]

hadees:

some of those views only really work for movies

[08:39:12]

justinh:

somebody was working on better categorisation a while back. dunno whatever happened to that

[08:39:27]

hadees:

right now i have a sql query that makes everything in my TV show dir not browsable

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hadees:

and thats how i handle it but it gets annoying when you add more files

[08:40:34]

justinh:

be cool to have a 'last watched' field in the video metadata table IMHO – something I plan to look at eventually

[08:41:00]

hadees:

anyone hear any updates on MythRecipe?

[08:41:24]

justinh:

then when you have a complete series in there that you're trying to watch in sequence, you stand a better chance of selecting one you've not already seen ;)

[08:41:33]

hadees:

i just wrote a script for my self that downloads all recipes from food network's website for a given show

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justinh:

hadees: work on the UI part of it hasn't even started yet

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hadees:

i was thinking of contacting the dev and seeing if he would be interested if i modified the script so you could add recipes from the food network for recordings you have.

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justinh:

I'm of the opinion I'd much rather see improvements in mythtv's core functionality first

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hadees:

Justinh, like what?

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hadees:

MythMusic needs an overhaul

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justinh:

like the stuff I'm planning to work on

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hadees:

justinh, oh is it secret?

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hadees:

i wish i could work on mythtv but Qt programming drives me batty

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hadees:

one of these days tough i'll get over my fear

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Tanthrix:

This is bizarre. My MCE remote randomly stopped working in the middle of using it.

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justinh:

1. make the list of shows to be expired more like show lists in other areas – possibly try to estimate when they'll be expired too – much more detail than the list in the status pages

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hadees:

i can't wait till the script that auto detects the fill size to use is added

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justinh:

s/script/patch

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Tanthrix:

IRW picks up nothing from it, despite the fact my other remote continues to work fine. The MCE remote also continues to work fine for the TV, but not for the computer.

[08:44:57]

hadees:

yeah thats what i meant

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hadees:

too busy thinking of my own scripts

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hadees:

I just got a versapoint rf keyboard with built in mouse

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justinh:

I made a list somewhere.. can't remember where I put it

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hadees:

i don't know how i lived with out one for so long

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hadees:

works so much faster then lirc

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justinh:

oh yeah I'd love to have a much better search feature – infact more like mythmusic's smart search

[08:46:30]

justinh:

I've looked at those 2 things at least, and they're within my puny coding ability

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justinh:

it's a pity that only mythmusic has that nifty search feature

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justinh:

mythvideo could use it too :)

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hadees:

my dream project for mythtv is to make it work as a slingbox, i would love to have a mythtv backend at my parents house so i can watch my favorite sports teams

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justinh:

oh yeah IMHO the remoteedit text entry (think mobile phone style text entry) could use an onscreen key to show you what the keys are

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justinh:

how many remote controls still have letters on the number buttons?!

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hadees:

Justinh, doesn't it have that already?

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justinh:

no it doesn't

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hadees:

when you edit text boxes i'm pretty sure you can do that

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justinh:

there's an onscreen keyboard yeah

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hadees:

oh what do you mean then?

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justinh:

the boxes where you can do alphanumeric entries with only the number keys

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justinh:

you must've seen those

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hadees:

i wish i could find out who makes the ATI Remote Wonder I & II and the Niveus Remote. I am guessing it is Chinese company but i would love to get them to make a MythTV remote

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hadees:

with the buttons labeled

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justinh:

it does (kind of) show you what characters are available but they only come up in the text entry box once you've already pressed a button

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justinh:

hadees: with my simple addition.. no need to have a remote with letters on the number buttons :)

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justinh:

just _little_ things – they'll make a world of difference

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hadees:

Justinh, eh it would be nice

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hadees:

i also want mythtv to be able to use a touchscreen on the case. so i could finally get this case http://atechfabrication.com/products/heatsync_6000.htm

[08:51:31]

justinh:

it's the mythrecipe guys' perogative to do whatever they want of course, but IMHO there are things that need attention closer to home first

[08:51:40]

hadees:

i mean i could get it with out the touch screen but it costs so much why wouldn't you get a touch screen while you are at it

[08:52:01]

justinh:

with the mythui port a lot more things will be clickable

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hadees:

Justinh yea but you need xinerama support

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hadees:

you don't want both screens showing the same thing

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justinh:

oooo complexity

[08:53:23]

hadees:

you might want the menus to be showing but i think it would be distracting to have it show video playing.

[08:53:26]

justinh:

put the UI on one screen & the playback on the main output going to the TV, you mean?

[08:53:39]

hadees:

yeah but you would have to do more then that

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hadees:

like put a clock up

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justinh:

serious work there

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justinh:

maybe qt4 would make that a lot easier

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hadees:

yeah it isn't an easy project but it would be 1000x better then the current lcd support

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justinh:

way things are now, myth can't draw outside the parent UI window

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hadees:

i can barley read my vfd

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justinh:

maybe the best way to go about that would be to make a separate app

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hadees:

Justinh, you would need two screen which is xinearama

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hadees:

you could do that but i don't know if it makes it any easier

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justinh:

probably a lot easier than modifying code that few people will use

[08:56:13]

justinh:

adding a lot more complexity not many people will need

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hadees:

well as the prices keep dropping who knows how many people might use it

[08:57:31]

hadees:

if you didn't do the touch screen stuff you could use one of the playstation mobile screens and those cost next to nothing now

[08:57:34]

justinh:

personally I'll always opt to have a small frontend box under the TV

[08:58:18]

justinh:

I've been known to go off & try to find out about the DS Lite touchscreens – people have those working on linux apparently – and they're pretty cheap

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hadees:

Justinh, thats what i have in my bedroom but for my main frontend in my living room i like it to be able to do more

[08:58:31]

hadees:

and that case looks great anyway

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hadees:

and it holds a full size computer and can be used with no fans

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justinh:

uh it still has front USB ports!

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hadees:

and firewire

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justinh:

blech

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justinh:

seldom used ports shall be hidden at the side or under flaps!

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hadees:

Justinh did you look at the sides?

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hadees:

they are used for dissipating heat.

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justinh:

ah yeah

[09:00:54]

justinh:

the front USBs are optional by the look of it anyway :)

[09:01:57]

justinh:

still, that's a massive case for just a frontend

[09:02:00]

hadees:

Justinh, they are all optional

[09:02:07]

hadees:

its totally customizable

[09:02:48]

hadees:

Justinh, well i've been hoping to also play games with wine

[09:02:54]

justinh:

I've got the bones of a custom case design just waiting for me to be allowed ProEngineer at work

[09:03:23]

justinh:

might even get one made one day (!)

[09:05:56]

justinh:

then again I was looking at my own frontend last night pondering what it'd take to make a nice quiet all-in-one system – if I have space under the TV

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justinh:

that's the one thing (the only thing) standalone PVRs have over pc-based systems

[09:06:43]

justinh:

form factor. oh and maybe power consumption

[09:11:35]

bsdfox:

cost

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bsdfox:

:)

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justinh:

bsdfox: believe me, when you look at the things a standalone PVR _cannot_ do, cost doesn't even come into it

[09:12:21]

justinh:

even just concentrating on TV features

[09:13:28]

justinh:

this is the problem when you do all the decoding in hardware – if you can't separate the audio & video streams you can't do nifty stuff like time compression

[09:15:50]

justinh:

well, more facts have emerged about the missing instruction from the new CPU we're using here. it's a faulty batch after all

[09:16:09]

hadees:

huh?

[09:17:11]

justinh:

we got a bunch of prototype boards made up, all using sample CPU components – all worked fine. then the first batch of production boards had problems due to a missing cmov instruction on the CPU

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bsdfox:

what kinda cpu

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justinh:

initially we were told it wasn't a batch problem so we figured the manufacturer had removed the instruction

[09:18:26]

Raspberry:

justinh: it's not semi-colon for the multiple directories :) I tried that... I tried , to... so it must be :

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Raspberry:

i'll try it again

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justinh:

Raspberry: in 0.21 the help text for that entry area TELLS YOU

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justinh:

bsdfox: S4

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noclue:

i'm trying to use mytharchive to burn a video to a DVD and i'm having some issues. firstly, it's a 4GB file, and mytharchive says it's only 66MB

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bsdfox:

not familiar with it

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justinh:

bsdfox: it's not x86 :P

[09:19:55]

bsdfox:

I play with some risc/arm microcontrollers

[09:20:05]

Raspberry:

justinh: I see that now :)

[09:20:53]

noclue:

second, i already used mythtranscode to cut out commercials from a custlist so it should be mpeg2, but mytharchive keeps trying to run mythtranscode --mpeg2 every time it runs.

[09:20:57]

Raspberry:

is anybody else having much heavier cpu load for commflag and frontend in 0.21 than 0.20.2?

[09:21:18]

Raspberry:

HD TV is now choppy to playback on the system, but it records fine and plays back w/o issue on another front-end

[09:22:26]

Raspberry:

is there any documentation for MythVideo available on the web?

[09:23:48]

Raspberry:

also :) since we're on the subject... is there any way to set metadata for all video files in a directory? Like I know all shows are Simpsons ... so I don't have to set all 18 seasons

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Raspberry:

also, correct me on this, but I don't believe video directories listed in the settings can have – in the name...

[09:28:12]

Raspberry:

I have two video directories /videos and /videos-unsorted

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Raspberry:

the latter won't load into the media library when specified outright in the directory list

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justinh:

noclue: _should_ be mpeg2? prove it :)

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justinh:

Raspberry: as far as mass updating of metadata goes, there are external scripts available

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noclue:

justinh: File type is 'mpeg'

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noclue:

Video codec is 'mpeg2video'

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justinh:

noclue: ffmpeg -i $filename

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Raspberry:

justinh: thx

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justinh:

noclue: it's probably still got to remux the video & audio to make it dvd compliant mpeg2

[09:31:14]

clever:

compile error!

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clever:

sh /media/mainlv/sharedbuilds/6.06/mythtv/version.sh \"/media/mainlv/sharedbuilds/6.06/mythtv\" \"": http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro "\"

[09:31:28]

clever:

grep: "/media/mainlv/sharedbuilds/6.06/mythtv"/libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h: No such file or directory

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justinh:

clever: you'll sort it out

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Raspberry:

just to clarify too... if I move videos, I'll have to re-enter their meta data when the path changes, right?

[09:32:01]

clever:

justinh: havent figured it out yet

[09:32:15]

justinh:

Raspberry: yes

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clever:

ive allready spent several mins poking at it

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justinh:

Raspberry: unless you do some mysql-fu

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ccooke:

Raspberry: well, unless you fancy manual database fixes

[09:32:54]

ccooke:

... you know, it wouldn't take a lot of work to knock up a simple mythmv tool

[09:33:16]

clever:

ccooke: i made one for moving recordings between slave backends!

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ccooke:

clever: *nod* simple enough

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clever:

it just had to update the hostname in the recorded table

[09:33:45]

clever:

bigest problem was the 50kb/sec link between the slaves

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ccooke:

Raspberry: There's also the easy way – Move the file, but leave a symlink to the new location

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Raspberry:

I've got over 1000 video files

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Raspberry:

archiving lots of hockey fights :)

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Raspberry:

I can just write a sql statement to rename the path

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Raspberry:

I might just write a PHP script to do the move an dfix the SQL at the same time... wouldn't that be nice :) Maybe I should have it handle the metadata too :D — I guess I'd better look at what the MythWeb for 0.21 does first

[09:35:25]

noclue:

justinh: okay, i'll let it run its course. any idea why mytharchive would only think it's a 66MB file?

[09:35:41]

ccooke:

Raspberry: these are video files, not recordings, yeah?

[09:36:01]

Dibblah:

justinh: Woo hoo! You're the right way round again.

[09:36:03]

Raspberry:

yeah

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adcurtin:

Is there a free video source I can use for US TV?

[09:36:11]

justinh:

adcurtin: no

[09:36:30]

Dibblah:

And, it appears we have another name collision for you :(

[09:36:55]

Dibblah:

adcurtin: Yes. A TV antenna.

[09:36:55]

justinh:

not strictly true – there's a trial period with schedulesdirect :)

[09:37:00]

Raspberry:

ccooke: yup ... If I store meta data in the video files, will Myth handle that?

[09:37:23]

justinh:

Raspberry: nope

[09:37:47]

Raspberry:

because that to me would make the most sense... even if it only read it at import

[09:38:11]

Dibblah:

Raspberry: I shouldn't say this, since it's so predictable.

[09:38:20]

justinh:

hmm somebody planning to do a video cover view for mythvideo similar to a well-known fruity one. hope they have a good lawyer

[09:38:23]

Dibblah:

But... We await your patch with baited breath!

[09:38:37]

Raspberry:

heh

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directhex|work:

justinh, i wrote a patch! for great justice!

[09:38:50]

justinh:

jesus

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justinh:

the world is going to end!

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Raspberry:

I'd write a patch, but I don't want to step on toes and get involved in the politics of who controls the plugins

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justinh:

WHAT?¬!?!"?!?!

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Raspberry:

:P

[09:40:06]

justinh:

of all the excuses I've ever seen...

[09:40:16]

ccooke:

On my (long, probably never to shorten) list of things to do with myth in my Copious Free Time, I wanted to write a script to export and import recordings and video files.

[09:40:28]

ccooke:

Of course, someone's probably done it by now :-)

[09:40:57]

justinh:

Raspberry: you only really need worry if what you intend to do is _stupid_ and / or has possible legal implications

[09:41:04]

ccooke:

(I should get around to checking to see if mytharchive is stable enough to determine if it does what I needed, yet :-)

[09:41:05]

Raspberry:

well if the stress level and sensitivity of this channel, I can only imagine how stressed the developers are :)

[09:41:43]

justinh:

ccooke: see the abandoned 'mythexport' SoC project

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justinh:

the developers are pretty laid back actually

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directhex|work:

there's a reasonable likelihood that patches will fester in trac, or tickets hijacked by inferior patches

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Raspberry:

so is that why all the youtube streams have to download first...

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Raspberry:

:P

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Raspberry:

instead of stream straight from Youtube

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justinh:

there's a reasonable likelihood that patches never submitted are absolutely never even considered!

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Raspberry:

i'll submit a few patches with one line /** IOU one patch */

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ccooke:

justinh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythExport – this?

[09:45:56]

justinh:

ccooke: NO

[09:46:14]

justinh:

oops. my vnc connection has reversed caps today for some reason

[09:47:13]

justinh:

the original mythexport idea was a gui thing, not some perl scripts IIRC

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directhex|work:

justinh, said patch disables flv streaming in mythweb unless a proper ffmpeg is installed

[09:47:24]

justinh:

directhex|work: cool

[09:47:37]

justinh:

proper, as in not what ubuntu et al provide ;)

[09:48:44]

justinh:

sing along now.. "Who's afraid of the big bad patent lawyer, the big bad patent lawyer, the big bad patent lawyer.."

[09:49:17]

directhex|work:

ticket 5041 iirc

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ccooke:

justinh: "sensible people, in general" ?

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Freman:

where?!?

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justinh:

not in IRC channels :P

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DustyBin:

at last, some good looking mythtv themes are emerging through

[10:15:41]

DustyBin:

http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/screenshots.html

[10:16:38]

justinh:

yeah go on, wind me up

[10:16:48]

DustyBin:

GPL isnt a race!!!!

[10:17:29]

directhex|work:

mepo-wide isn't gpl

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justinh:

nice theme, pity about the colour scheme. always said that about mepo-wide

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justinh:

directhex|work: the xml is :)

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DustyBin:

shame no 4:£

[10:18:16]

DustyBin:

4:3

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directhex|work:

why a shame? 4:3 is dead

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justinh:

no 4:3 is never a shame

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justinh:

4:3 themes are for the third world

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DustyBin:

my little black box has arrived: http://www.keene.co.uk/electronic/keene-elect . . . er/KST1.html

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directhex|work:

rgb-scart?

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directhex|work:

good luck

[10:19:36]

DustyBin:

all im waiting for now is a 1M vga -vga

[10:19:43]

justinh:

DustyBin: I thought your TV was widescreen anyhow

[10:19:44]

DustyBin:

why good luck?!

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directhex|work:

because, as you were *REPEATEDLY* told, rgb-scart is hellish to get working properly in most cases

[10:20:19]

DustyBin:

justinh: in my bedroom now im using a crt 15", im moving into my sisters house and ive taken my philips 24" crt widescreen over already

[10:20:30]

DustyBin:

once i move ill set it up

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DustyBin:

directhex|work: all i need is the correct modeline, job done

[10:21:04]

DustyBin:

directhex|work: and this box is a profressionally built box, not a DIY job

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justinh:

and support in the driver for interlaced modes

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directhex|work:

you're the boss

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DustyBin:

all the stuff ive read on the net, no one has mentioned any real issues

[10:21:28]

justinh:

interlaced mode support seems to bob in & out of nvidia drivers

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DustyBin:

only good stuff

[10:22:37]

DustyBin:

"RGB output – graphics cards generally give you composite and S-Video outputs. If your TV will accept RGB then use it and get a better quality picture."

[10:23:02]

justinh:

IF the driver supports an interlaced modeline

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DustyBin:

Modeline "720x576" 15.125 720 778 834 968 576 579 607 625 composite interlace +hsync +vsync

[10:23:12]

DustyBin:

justinh: im using debian etch nvidia binary drivers

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directhex|work:

96.something iirc

[10:24:04]

DustyBin:

if setup correctly, the quality will be the same as using a scart based PVR

[10:24:14]

DustyBin:

like a topfield

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directhex|work:

1.0.8776–4 – oh my, how retro

[10:24:33]

justinh:

topfield.. shite name, feel the quality

[10:25:13]

DustyBin:

ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776–4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver

[10:25:17]

justinh:

I defected away from mythtv for about a week. believe me I'll never be so foolish again. how bad can the 'best' standalone pvr be?

[10:25:28]

DustyBin:

^^^^ directhex|work cant that driver do interlaced modes?

[10:25:47]

directhex|work:

DustyBin, you tell me. what does xorg.0.log say?

[10:26:07]

directhex|work:

and reporting the capability doesn't guarantee it'll work

[10:26:09]

DustyBin:

directhex|work: i havent setup a proper xorg.conf yet

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DustyBin:

im not sure how im going to tell if my graphics card is in the correct mode

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DustyBin:

maybe xrandr

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DustyBin:

the death of my 15" CRT could be near by

[10:29:09]

DustyBin:

what would happen if i plugged my compters TFT into my mythbox and it was sending a interlaced PAL mode?

[10:29:18]

DustyBin:

would that trash my tft?

[10:29:24]

justinh:

yes

[10:29:26]

DustyBin:

jeeze

[10:29:31]

justinh:

it'd explode into a billion bits

[10:29:47]

justinh:

maybe even form a singularity by the door

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DustyBin:

:(

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directhex|work:

"mode not supported"

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DustyBin:

nVidia FX 5200 series YES YES

[10:30:29]

justinh:

nothing will happen – apart from maybe the TFT saying that 'sync is out of range' or something similar

[10:30:30]

DustyBin:

Interlacing + 15 MHz dot clock

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DustyBin:

ok

[10:31:12]

DustyBin:

it says the 5200 can do those modes, now need to see if my debian etch driver can do those modes

[10:31:29]

DustyBin:

then after that find a safe way of checking its actually outputing the correct mode

[10:31:44]

DustyBin:

without destroying my tv

[10:32:14]

DustyBin:

xrandr and checking the xorg.0.log ?

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justinh:

it likely won't destroy the TV

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DustyBin:

o_0

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justinh:

the days of bad modes causing blown up CRTs are long gone

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DustyBin:

aye ok :D

[10:33:18]

justinh:

people with modeline databases on blogs/webpages are only covering their arses

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

ill use my 15" CRT as a test, then once i move ill test it out on 24" widescreen

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DustyBin:

both have RGB scart inputs

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DustyBin:

the end of s-video noise is near :D

[10:35:15]

DustyBin:

or could that be the death of my tv?! :-S

[10:35:37]

directhex|work:

life is much easier with vga

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DustyBin:

vga + UK = waste of time

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justinh:

just a pity there's no flat panel that can produce a picture as good as a CRT yet

[10:36:05]

justinh:

at least not one I can afford

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DustyBin:

unless your a ps3 gamer

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justinh:

give it a couple of years though...

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DustyBin:

yep thats what i will do, 24" CRT for a good few years

[10:36:57]

hashbang:

justinh/DustyBin: interlaced support seems to have been pretty constant in their drivers since about 86xx or so. I've certainly used both 8776 and 96.43.01. Note, however, the bug with Xv output on interlaced output where scanlines are doubled.

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DustyBin:

and research in the background

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hashbang:

DustyBin: just copy my xorg.conf and you should be up and running quickly

[10:37:23]

DustyBin:

aye thanks!! :D

[10:38:08]

hashbang:

DustyBin: with the Xv bug, vertical resolution is halved, so don't expect as good output as a SCART based PVR or DVD player. :-(

[10:38:32]

justinh:

heh. are computers ever going to not suck at video playback?

[10:39:14]

hashbang:

DustyBin: to check output, check with xvidtune, then check with your eyes by drawing some interlace tests in GIMP and viewing at 100%

[10:39:16]

DustyBin:

hashbang: hasnt the xv been resolved at all?

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DustyBin:

ok thanks

[10:40:06]

hashbang:

DustyBin: it's been noted on the nvnews.net forums for ~4 years

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justinh:

one day, when all video is progressive...

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justinh:

and all displays are progressive...

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hashbang:

DustyBin: don't let me put you off, though; I still reckon the output is better than composite/SVideo

[10:45:36]

hashbang:

DustyBin: using the Linear Blend de-interlacer makes for better shapes on broadcast graphics (screen logos, text etc)

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directhex|work:

deinterlacing, then reinterlacing. i love it!

[10:46:23]

DustyBin:

sorry had to drop the children off back

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directhex|work:

justinh, i play a lot of videogames. an hdtv was a great purchase for me

[10:47:06]

hashbang:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-49229.html

[10:47:12]

directhex|work:

justinh, there's always those samsung hd crts, for the luddites...

[10:47:13]

DustyBin:

directhex|work: ps3?

[10:47:23]

justinh:

even if I played a lot of videogames I'd have to compete with hours of fucking soaps every day

[10:47:24]

hashbang:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33729

[10:47:25]

directhex|work:

DustyBin, rarely, but yes

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directhex|work:

justinh, mythtv payer

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DustyBin:

hashbang: do you have a link with your xorg.conf?

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DustyBin:

(please

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DustyBin:

)

[10:48:05]

justinh:

fackorf – if I wanted to sit at my desk watching telly...

[10:48:18]

hashbang:

DustyBin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Cowbutt all there

[10:48:25]

directhex|work:

justinh, who said anything about you? unless *you* watch soaps

[10:48:37]

DustyBin:

thanks

[10:48:38]

directhex|work:

in which case, all respect is lost

[10:48:42]

justinh:

that's one argument I'd never bloody win

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hashbang:

DustyBin: no problem

[10:49:23]

justinh:

the amount of TV I actually watch amounts to at most an hour and a half a day on average

[10:49:34]

justinh:

rots yer brain ya know

[10:49:41]

DustyBin:

hashbang: because xv vertical res is halfed would i need a modeline like this

[10:49:44]

DustyBin:

ModeLine "768x288pal-half" 14.8 768 792 856 944 288 290 292 313 -hsync -vsync

[10:49:53]

DustyBin:

note the 'pal-half'

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justinh:

bah FFS. so much for 'mythtv being too hard to use' – wifey has set 'benidorm' to record now

[10:50:28]

justinh:

oh well. get ready for some big WAF -------- points :D

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directhex|work:

justinh, dress it up as "you can chat with your friends and use facebook or whatever at the same time as watching soaps!" then use the tv for games

[10:50:46]

justinh:

mythtaste (tm) to the rescue

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justinh:

directhex|work: one internet widow in the house is enough

[10:51:25]

justinh:

that's a point actually – if TV rots your brain, what does hanging out on IRC too much do?!

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directhex|work:

justinh, cancer

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DustyBin:

why cancer? lack of exercise?

[10:54:07]

justinh:

ah good

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hashbang:

DustyBin: no, I use 1024x768 for UI output, and have mythfrontend switch to 720x576pali modeline (see xorg.conf) for playback. The driver thinks it's displaying 720x576, but actually just doubles each scanline (or something very much like it)

[10:55:20]

hashbang:

DustyBin: the UI and X desktop should be properly interlaced, however. It's purely an Xv thing.

[10:56:36]

justinh:

anyway, she's not getting on my desktop machine any more than she does now – bad enough trying to keep it from being riddled as it is

[10:56:56]

justinh:

and I'd not trust her to watch telly on the backend machine

[10:57:44]

Dibblah:

"riddled"? It's Winders?

[10:57:50]

justinh:

not behaving as expected? oh just press every button until _something_ happens

[10:58:16]

justinh:

Dibblah: course it's winders. can't do nuffink useful on 'ux yet

[10:58:47]

Dibblah:

Meh. Recent distros are mostly plug-n-play.

[10:58:50]

justinh:

don't waste your breath saying GIMP & inkscape please

[10:59:02]

justinh:

and cinelerra

[10:59:06]

justinh:

and Jokosher

[10:59:14]

Dibblah:

GIMP is a bit of a joke, compared to photoshop.

[10:59:24]

Dibblah:

But why bother, since PS runs in WINE?

[10:59:39]

justinh:

I don't actually own a copy of photoshop. I hate it, personally

[10:59:52]

Dibblah:

What's your weapon of choice?

[11:00:41]

hashbang:

Dibblah: what do you need in GIMP that PS has? The colour management stuff?

[11:00:49]

justinh:

PSP

[11:00:54]

justinh:

9

[11:01:06]

Dibblah:

hashbang: A user interface.

[11:01:08]

justinh:

might argue that's why all my themes sucked :P

[11:01:38]

justinh:

Dibblah: I hate the PS UI. It lacks intuitiveness more than GIMP

[11:01:42]

hashbang:

Dibblah: I found PS's UI hard to use seeing as I started with GIMP when it was a Motif app.

[11:02:08]

directhex|work:

if only there was some kind of GIMP Tool Kit. they could enhance it!

[11:02:33]

justinh:

anyway, the core themes were developed in GIMP & look at them

[11:02:35]

DustyBin:

hashbang: aye thanks

[11:02:46]

hashbang:

DustyBin: make sense?

[11:02:55]

DustyBin:

yep more thank before

[11:03:02]

hashbang:

DustyBin: cool

[11:03:16]

** DustyBin will send justinh the bill for damaged crt **

[11:03:31]

hashbang:

DustyBin: oddly, interlaced Xv output to /composite/ works fine, apparently. It's a VGA thing.

[11:03:41]

justinh:

DustyBin: like theme support request emails.. it'll go to the spam filter

[11:03:51]

DustyBin:

lol

[11:03:57]

hashbang:

DustyBin: presumably the driver assumes that all VGA displays are progressive these days, and 'helpfully' deinterlaces for you.

[11:04:27]

hashbang:

either that, or the driver hackers at nVidia smoke crack.

[11:04:30]

DustyBin:

ill test all this out tomorrow, just waiting for vga > vga cable

[11:04:31]

** hashbang shrugs **

[11:04:45]

hashbang:

DustyBin: don't you have a Maplin branch handy?

[11:05:18]

DustyBin:

not that local no, busy today, need to send some of my desk back to digital village

[11:05:42]

hashbang:

fairy muff

[11:06:14]

DustyBin:

i ordered some vga > vga on ebuyer

[11:06:49]

justinh:

there's always time in the day to go to maplin & abuse the staff for being thick

[11:07:16]

hashbang:

justinh: I usually find there's precisely one per store who knows electronics stuff better than I.

[11:07:21]

justinh:

just make sure you get an AGP VGA cable – the pci-e ones they sell are more expensive

[11:08:00]

hashbang:

justinh: but TBH, they're just a shop like PC World, and they'll recruit based on previous retail experience, rather than specialist experience...

[11:08:09]

justinh:

and?

[11:08:22]

justinh:

so that makes their staff being cluess okay does it?

[11:08:50]

hashbang:

justinh: well, I'm not sure why you'd expect a higher standard of Maplin than, say, Dixons, Sainsbury's or Soundcontrol or wherever.

[11:08:55]

justinh:

currys are the same, which is why I tend to avoid all the big sheds

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hashbang:

justinh: the modern way is that the consumer does the research, and takes the shop staff advice at their own risk.

[11:09:27]

justinh:

pay a little extra, get decent warranty included & the staff know WTF they're talking about

[11:09:33]

hashbang:

justinh: if you have other expectations, you'll nearly always be disappointed.

[11:09:47]

justinh:

never found any of the usual suspects to be cheaper anyway

[11:10:30]

hashbang:

justinh: IME, a lot of places /pretend/ to be more clued, charge more accordingly, but then just sell over-priced shit that's /still/ inadequate or badly made.

[11:11:14]

hashbang:

justinh: don't misunderstand me, I'd love to see a revival of truly clued shops

[11:11:20]

justinh:

tellies from John Lewis ftw

[11:11:33]

hashbang:

justinh: but the majority of customers would just pick their brains, then go save 20% by ordering online or whatever.

[11:12:05]

justinh:

hashbang: and not get free delivery at a good time, and bypass the 5 year standard warranty. their loss I spose

[11:12:20]

justinh:

your appliance will be delivered.. 'sometime'

[11:12:22]

hashbang:

(actually not just clued, but clued and genuinely trying to give the best advice for the customer)

[11:12:35]

hashbang:

justinh: yeah, I tend to buy white goods from JL

[11:12:36]

justinh:

and they price match

[11:12:53]

hashbang:

justinh: OTOH, they sold me a Samsung DVD HT that just burnt out after 2.5 years service

[11:13:02]

ccooke:

Hmm. This place seems to be rather more UK based than I expected...

[11:13:14]

justinh:

ccooke: depends on the time of day

[11:13:18]

hashbang:

justinh: not JL's fault, but there was a time when you could rely on them to only sell stuff that was a bit better than average.

[11:13:35]

hashbang:

justinh: i.e. they'd weeded out the obvious crap already.

[11:13:40]

justinh:

hashbang: was it not covered under t'warranty then?

[11:13:52]

hashbang:

justinh: only standard Samsung 1 year warranty.

[11:13:57]

justinh:

bah

[11:14:08]

hashbang:

justinh: JL don't extend the warranty on everything they sell any more.

[11:15:09]

justinh:

it's actually worth more than the likes the big sheds give out though – how many ext. warranties give you a free loaner ?

[11:15:31]

hashbang:

justinh: yup, JL's warranties seem pretty good

[11:15:40]

hashbang:

justinh: /when/ they offer them

[11:15:58]

hashbang:

justinh: and Richer Sounds' 'supercare' is the only extended warranty I pay for.

[11:16:01]

justinh:

when my TV 5 year thing ran out I was offerred to extend it another 5 at a really good price

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directhex|work:

what's with all the JL own-brand electronics these days?

[11:16:19]

justinh:

sounds nasty

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: Jonelle? ;-)

[11:16:31]

directhex|work:

JL fridge, washing machine, tv, whatever

[11:16:50]

hashbang:

directhex|bsp: probably better than Matsui, Beko et al

[11:17:28]

justinh:

Teknika !

[11:17:42]

justinh:

Daewoo etc

[11:17:58]

hashbang:

Tevion seem to rock pretty hard, mind

[11:17:59]

directhex|work:

at least daewoo are properly foreign

[11:18:09]

directhex|work:

matsui are made in bloody swindon!

[11:18:13]

hashbang:

3 year warranty on everything, not been disappointed yet.

[11:18:15]

justinh:

hashbang: AFAIK Tevion are a name of some repute in the rest of Europe

[11:18:41]

hashbang:

although I do wish they silkscreened their remote buttons a bit better. :-)

[11:18:47]

justinh:

they still rebadge gash gear though – I bought an 'mp3 player' with their name on & it was bollocks

[11:19:00]

directhex|work:

some companies are rebadge-only these days

[11:19:10]

directhex|work:

you'll see former respected names on all sorts of shit

[11:19:11]

hashbang:

directhex|bsp: Goodmans

[11:19:19]

hashbang:

directhex|bsp: Bush

[11:19:25]

directhex|work:

was bush ever respected?

[11:19:37]

hashbang:

directhex|bsp: back in the day, yes – for radio and TV, IIRC

[11:19:59]

justinh:

Murphy, Bush, Pye ...

[11:20:06]

justinh:

all good 'British' makes

[11:20:52]

hashbang:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Radio

[11:21:03]

directhex|work:

grundig?

[11:21:20]

justinh:

ze germans?

[11:21:34]

directhex|work:

i've had gash rebadges from "grundig" before

[11:21:43]

hashbang:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba_%28electronics%29

[11:21:56]

hashbang:

Alba are pretty much the epitome of what's wrong with consumer electronics

[11:22:44]

justinh:

consumers, that's what's wrong with consumer electronics

[11:22:51]

justinh:

they WANT £5 HDTVs

[11:22:57]

directhex|work:

electronics, that's what's wrong with consumer electronics

[11:23:11]

justinh:

not only that, they'll buy a £5 HDTV

[11:23:13]

hashbang:

justinh: heh, yeah, refer to my earlier 20% comment

[11:23:16]

directhex|work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQa4HHkhwVg

[11:23:47]

justinh:

not that paying more necessarily guarantees you'll get the goods though

[11:24:29]

justinh:

my Dad has been through about 15 Freeview STBs so far. he lives within spitting distance of the mast & so far the £15 Tesco STB has lasted the longest

[11:24:29]

hashbang:

justinh: I'm pretty sure that Samsung DVD HT was just an upgraded version of the guts in the Tesco-bought 'Venturer' it replaced (which burnt out within the year warranty)

[11:24:54]

hashbang:

justinh: my parents are doing well with the Goodmans and Tevion cheapies I've bought them

[11:24:57]

justinh:

tried a £100 sony box & it was worse than the cheapest ASDA one

[11:25:15]

hashbang:

justinh: PSU, bad firmware update, or unknown?

[11:25:20]

justinh:

the other problem is just how disposable CE has got

[11:25:27]

justinh:

hashbang: just generally shit

[11:25:47]

hashbang:

justinh: I've found a lot of CE can be revived by simply replacing all the electrolytic caps on the mainboard

[11:25:53]

directhex|work:

venturer are the only non-toshiba company to make an hd-dvd-only player!

[11:26:26]

justinh:

wonder how the HD-DVD mythtv frontend project is going.. (SNIGGER)

[11:26:57]

directhex|work:

to be fair, the original toshiba hd-dvd player has much more realistic cpu capabilities than most mythtv-embedded ideas

[11:27:14]

justinh:

what like EPIAs you mean :P

[11:27:41]

hashbang:

OMFG

[11:27:43]

directhex|work:

justinh, 2.5ghz p4, gig o' ram

[11:27:50]

justinh:

really?

[11:27:51]

justinh:

jees

[11:27:54]

hashbang:

just got a 'positive working environment' booklet through from my employer

[11:28:10]

hashbang:

one of the events is 'shamanic meditation (with scented oils and music)'

[11:28:57]

** justinh wonders how they scent music **

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hashbang:

-ENOCOMMA

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directhex|work:

justinh, http://couponmeister.com/blog/HDDVD.wmv

[11:32:17]

justinh:

ooo blue & green highly saturated video. niiice

[11:32:33]

justinh:

thermal imaging the only camcorder available?

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Dibblah:

It's a nice box.

[11:33:44]

Dibblah:

It's just a shame that the chipset is pretty much a closed book :(

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timing:

hey all!

[12:53:11]

timing:

does someone know a usb dongle for receiving analog tv via cable?

[12:53:34]

timing:

i know some for OSX or windows, but i don't know if there is one with proper support for linux?

[12:54:10]

justinh:

timing: there is soon to be no analogue cable left in the UK so why bother?

[12:54:24]

timing:

i'm in .nl ? it's still 3 years

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timing:

or then i need a digital as well ofcourse

[12:54:45]

justinh:

why the .org.uk domain then?

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sid3windr:

why not!

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timing:

that's just the host i'm connected from

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timing:

sid3windr!!!!!

[12:55:00]

timing:

woowoo

[12:55:05]

sid3windr:

:)

[12:55:12]

timing:

and the host is in .nl as well :-)

[12:55:17]

timing:

it's just a tld

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justinh:

dvb-c cards are rare enough. don't think any USB tuners for digital cable exist

[12:55:43]

timing:

if i call my daughter bjork, she is not icelandic

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justinh:

jesus christ I was just asking

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timing:

(perse)

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justinh:

ffs

[12:55:57]

timing:

hahaha

[12:55:59]

timing:

sorry :P

[12:56:19]

timing:

hmm i need a usb thingy, want to put it into my old macmini

[12:58:07]

justinh:

wow. dvb-c on USB exists!

[12:58:09]

justinh:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_USB_Devices

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justinh:

they won't let you do encrypted digital cable though

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timing:

so how does that work with smartcards and stuff?

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sid3windr:

existing is one thing

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timing:

ah :-)

[12:58:41]

sid3windr:

but it's even supported!

[12:58:52]

timing:

so just the default channels i think?

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justinh:

timing: and non-hardware supported pay-tv can't be talked about in here

[12:59:31]

timing:

okay, then i won't

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justinh:

you could build a real PC to use as a backend & just put pci cards in it :)

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justinh:

defeats the whole goal of having a small, quiet & good looking complete system though

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timing:

well the backand can be stuffed in a closet right?

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timing:

and the frontend can be the shiney macmini

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

directhex|work: heh we use those usb memory thingies on our gear

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justinh:

that's all they are – USB on headers

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st1650:

Hey

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justinh:

ho

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st1650:

I know ATI cards are frown upon

[13:26:45]

st1650:

But the AMD 780G chipset sounds like the perfect htpc platform

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st1650:

If I don't want to record

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st1650:

Only playback HD stuff and music

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st1650:

Will I be fine with an ATI card ?

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st1650:

I don't mind having to compile extra stuff, I'll probably be running gentoo as backend

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directhex|work:

1) backends do not need graphics capabilities

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justinh:

ATI for playback? you're having a laugh

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directhex|work:

2) in general, graphics cards in linux do not allow offloading of HD material onto the gpu, making a 8800 ultra as good as an fx 5200 (the exception is mpeg2, and ati cards offer zero mpeg2 offloading in linux, whilst nvidia, ati & intel do)

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directhex|work:

bah

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directhex|work:

via, not ati, in that last one

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DustyBin:

can a ATI card do interlaced Xv output on VGA ?

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directhex|work:

unlikely

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directhex|work:

it has enough difficulty with xv in general

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DustyBin:

the guy who wrote this article mentions a ATI xorg.conf at the end

[13:32:35]

DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/RGB_Scart

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DustyBin:

"This is a working Interlaced PAL TV setup. The relevant sections of xorg.conf are below. Note the "composite" keyword which causes the Radeon to generate composite sync directly."

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Dibblah:

justinh: Wrong channel? ;)

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

yeah but what use is a working pal interlaced output that doesn't work with xv? – NONE :)

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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DustyBin:

as long as my s-video noise goes away ill be quite happy

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DustyBin:

if the picture looks slightly better thats a bonus

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justinh:

maybe a windows frontend is the way forward after all – I mean in windows you can expect h.264 acceleration with some graphics chipsets

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DustyBin:

aye good point

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DustyBin:

could even use a ATI card in windows with mythtv?

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justinh:

but – mythfrontend working in windows is one thing – getting direct3d video acceleration is quite another

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directhex|work:

it would require major changes to ffmpeg

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justinh:

oooooo shite. this board is getting CRC fails on its own flash

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st1650:

I want to build a mythtv front end – no hard drives boot from network

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justinh:

easy

[13:49:11]

st1650:

Which cpu does the work

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justinh:

next!

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justinh:

what?

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st1650:

the front end or the back end

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justinh:

playback is done by the frontend

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st1650:

ok

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st1650:

So the AMD 780G will be perfect for HD content

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justinh:

pfft

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st1650:

price wise I mean

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justinh:

it won't

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justinh:

it won't

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st1650:

nuts

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st1650:

really?

[13:50:33]

justinh:

really

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hadees:

anyone in here able to get 802.11n to work with HDTV?

[13:50:57]

st1650:

I could play 720P content on my old Dell Inspiron 9100 (P4HT + Ati 9700)

[13:51:11]

hadees:

i saw someone who was able to with linksys cards and so i bought one but it still skips a little

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justinh:

st1650: in linux?

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hadees:

i mean it is almost there but i am thinking nsdiwrapper is slowing it down or something

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st1650:

Humm I had gentoo running with mplyaer I guess

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st1650:

Also had VLC on windows

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justinh:

mplayer != mythtv

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justinh:

vlc on windows != mythtv

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st1650:

oh

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justinh:

(surprisingly)

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hadees:

lol

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st1650:

I though mythtv used mplayer as backend

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justinh:

where the fuck do people get that idea?

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justinh:

it has its own player

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I had a PIII 1Ghz with 512mb ram playing 720p, with an occasional stutter, and major stutturing with OSD displayed. 100Mb wired network, Nvidia with XVMC

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jvs:

because mplayer rules :)

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st1650:

yeah

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hadees:

st1650, i think that may be that other linux dvr

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st1650:

mplayer is usually the reference in multimedia playback on nix

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justinh:

nah

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hadees:

yeah but mythtv needs to do different things

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justinh:

the reference should be – if mythtv can play it, anything else should have no problem

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st1650:

understood

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st1650:

but couldn't I compile some special ati drivers that offload the rendering to the GPU ?

[13:54:19]

st1650:

or Ati sucks that much in *nix and doesn't offer anything beside 2d ?

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justinh:

hell my celeron 733 with 128MB ram could play 720P mpeg2 almost flawlessly

[13:54:33]

justinh:

ATI sucks in linux full stop

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hadees:

st1650, ati has 3d support now

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hadees:

nvidia is just way better

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justinh:

nvidia is closed source but they WORK

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justinh:

one day the scales may tip the other way but until they do...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

st1650: Also, to clarify – my setup was playing back North-America ATSC 720p, which is currently MPEG2. The old PIII wouldn't have a chance to decode MPEG4 or H.264...

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hadees:

getting an nvidia card that will work with MythTV is really cheap

[13:55:30]

justinh:

hadees: cheap and let's not forget _dead_ _easy_

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hadees:

processor decoding for HDTV is soooo much simpler

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hadees:

i gave up trying to get the gpu to do it

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hadees:

and just bought a better cpu

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justinh:

when opengl rendering comes to mythtv properly (if not already), that'll change again

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justinh:

(for video playback I mean)

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st1650:

And doing the MythTV back-end; I already have a gentoo fileserver/http/samba,etc do I need to install mythtv back-end inside a vmware machine or I could co-exist my fileserver and mythtv on the same OS ?

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hadees:

st1650, they could coexist easy

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Dibblah:

XV is apparently working on that open source reverse engineered thing, for some cards...

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st1650:

ok

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justinh:

way easier than pissing about with vmware. sheesh

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st1650:

vmware works great don't knock it down :)

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hadees:

except for the security holes

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Dibblah:

Don't use vmware / KVM / Xen / UML / ...

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hadees:

but other then that peacy

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justinh:

st1650: just so long as mysql & mythtv ports aren't wide open to the internet

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hadees:

*peachy

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justinh:

st1650: no point pissing about with vmware for a mythtv box is what I mean

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st1650:

yup

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hadees:

unless you are using vmserver and have a killer box for all your virtual servers to run on

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justinh:

virtualisation – the new emperor's new cloths 9tm)

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Dibblah:

Even so, it's pointless.

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hadees:

in that case i might actually use vmware

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st1650:

I'm stilling waiting for my htpc case to arrive, but I think I'll start configuring my Gentoo back-end right now to save time

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Dibblah:

No good access to video output hardware, no good access to video capture hardware...

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Dibblah:

Until everything comes with an IOMMU, of course.

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Dibblah:

And no, a GART is not 'close enough'.

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hadees:

is anything going on with MythTV and cable cards? i know there are restrictions but when everything switches over to them we are going to be sofl

[14:00:27]

justinh:

no

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justinh:

cable cards are another white elephant

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justinh:

and besides that, the likelihood of them ever being supported by an open source OS...

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hadees:

i don't know, getting rid of cable boxes seems like the future to me

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st1650:

Also what does everyone here thinks about KnoppMyth

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justinh:

hadees: over the MPAA's dead body!

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hadees:

justinh, well the could be supported with a closed source driver

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st1650:

Usually linux guys aren't too enthousiam with do-it-all livecds

[14:01:55]

justinh:

hadees: yeah that'll be popular

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hadees:

justinh, not popular but doable

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justinh:

st1650: use whatever you want

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justinh:

for mythtv, all in one distros provide the path of least effort & usually least resistnce

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hadees:

st1650, i prefer gentoo, its what i know and i can customize it just the way i want but knoppmyth is supposed to be easier

[14:02:55]

hadees:

never really tried it since i don't really need it

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justinh:

I prefer bathing in acid

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jduggan:

lmfao

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hadees:

thanks for sharing

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st1650:

I love my gentoo server but it would pain me to have to compile X, QT, etc for mythtv

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directhex|work:

compiling qt is pain

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hadees:

emerge xorg-server, qt, mythtv

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hadees:

done

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justinh:

I used gentoo for 2 years, for a mythtv system

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directhex|work:

justinh, you're so 1337

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justinh:

if you don't keep it up to date enough & read every single emerge log, you're fuckedwhen you actually want to update it some day

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hadees:

who needs distros, i do every from with linux from scratch

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** hashbang prefers to have a life outside keeping his systems maintained. **

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hadees:

Justinh, i haven't had that issue

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justinh:

all distros have faults of some kind or other. it's now only a matter of which ones suit you best

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st1650:

justinh: agreed

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justinh:

hadees: if I hadn't had that issue (like missing a bunch of portage upgrades) I wouldn't now be running ubuntu

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directhex|work:

cd 1/7 burnt. bloody Enterprise

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justinh:

it became a case of reinstall the lot, or just switch to a different distro

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st1650:

I always saw pacman as a superior alternative to emerge

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justinh:

I couldn't do without my pvr for 3 days so I went for the latter option

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st1650:

apt-get still is the kign

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st1650:

but I don't like the way ubuntu handles the rest

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justinh:

as for mythtv itself – I don't use mythtv packages at all

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hashbang:

st1650: apt is nothing specail. The package metadata in Debian (and by extension, Ubuntu) is what makes it work.

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DustyBin:

debiab

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DustyBin:

debian etch + backport kernel

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DustyBin:

no problems at all, although a lot of the libraries and media software ive installed from debian packgers are getting old

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DustyBin:

i might do a lenny upgrade soon

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directhex|work:

getting old is one of debian's selling points

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directhex|work:

stable means "doesn't change"

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: and RHEL/CentOS... :-)

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directhex|work:

hashbang, downloading rhel5 as we speak. rhel4 is too old ;)

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justinh:

pls hlp me get mytv worky centos!!!!! pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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justinh:

seen a few of those

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DustyBin:

once i get more experience i might do a gentoo home server, but thats for another time i think

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directhex|work:

this is for a tesla

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Now you've got to say it every 30 seconds until someone shoots you in the face

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hashbang:

justinh: once RHEL rebases on a newer Fedora, that won't be such a crazy idea

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hashbang:

justinh: right now, I imagine one ends up ripping out and replacing so much that it isn't worth the bother

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justinh:

centos users I've met all do bitrate calculations in their head & use every opportunity to tell you what such & such a rate would be in loads of different units. it's a novelty at first

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hashbang:

justinh: heh

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justinh:

come to think about it though, none of them stunk or looked like hell

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hashbang:

it's a good start

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justinh:

doesn't matter how nice somebody is if you have to stand six feet away just so your eyes stop watering

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DustyBin:

lol smelly linux people wearing brown sandles, tomato ketchup stained tshirts, smelling of bo

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justinh:

anyway.. this flash with crc errors.. not good

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justinh:

DustyBin: I know it's a stereotype but it's real unfortunately

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hashbang:

DustyBin: I've been known to do the first two, in summer, after a bad accident at lunch. :-/

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DustyBin:

LOL

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justinh:

hashbang: yeah but to then go on & wear the same clothes for 3 days in a row?

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hashbang:

justinh: naw...

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justinh:

wonder who's gonna exhibit mythtv in the UK next

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phrags:

hi guys, lastnight i seem to have lost my database containing all my mythtv settings... i have not touched mysql, i just upgraded some mythtv plugins, restarted the box for another reason, and after reboot it has lost all it's settings and back to fresh... any ideas ?

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jams:

phrags- did the hostname change?

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phrags:

jams: hmm, no i don't think so

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phrags:

in fact, no

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phrags:

very strange

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phrags:

(not on the machine right now, at work) but when i checked the backend log, it said it could not find the database

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phrags:

i only noticed it lastnight after firing mythfrontend up and realising something was wrong

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directhex|work:

it's xris!

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xris:

and it's WAY too early...

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justinh:

anybody heard about xbmc? they've only got native mythtv support now!

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Fro . . . thTV_Support

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directhex|work:

justinh, i shall update my xbox!

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Yahooadam:

awesomo power

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

directhex|work: Humm... you need a mod chip to run xbmc, right?

[15:08:45]

directhex|work:

J-e-f-f-A, no

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directhex|work:

J-e-f-f-A, regular xbox, usb-to-xbox adapter or action replay, and a copy of either mechassault, splinter cell, or 007 agent under fire

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Justin__:

svn builds of xbmc are available here: http://t3ch.yi.se/

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

directhex|work: Humm... I've got my soft-modded xbox runnin xebian, and outdated (for me) 0.20 myth... need to update to 0.21 or perhaps xbmc...

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Justin__:

0.21 for xbox are on the debian etch repos

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** J-e-f-f-A|work sees himself updating his xbox to 0.21 tonigh! ;-) **

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** J-e-f-f-A|work hasn't been using it since he started running SVN about a year ago... but since switched back to 0.21-fixes ... ;-) **

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Justin__:

there are also new xorg drivers for xbox here: http://www.knizefamily.net/russ/software/xbox.html

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justinh:

xbmc isn't the least crashy of software but at least when you reboot it only takes a few seconds, as opposed to rebooting linux on it (minutes!)

[15:13:02]

Justin__:

just dont use the kernel on that page if you are running from a partition

[15:13:51]

Justin__:

when was native support added to xbmc? I had no idea.

[15:14:00]

justinh:

I only just read about it

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Justin__:

i think im going to try out the latest t3ch build

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Yahooadam:

J-e-f-f-A|work – last time i used myth on the Xbox the menu's were _really_ slow – is it like that for you?

[15:15:00]

Justin__:

wow there hasn't been a 'stable' release since 2006

[15:15:33]

Justin__:

the menus are fine for me

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yahooadam: Yeah, that's because it only has 64MB ram and does alot of swapping to disk... But once the video starts, it's golden. Only drawback is that it isn't fast enough for HD...

[15:15:49]

Justin__:

the program guide can be a little slow

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justinh:

heh XBMC have a SoC project too

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Yahooadam:

J-e-f-f-A|work – hmm, i also found that playback is fine, but if you try and skip forwards it would lock up, die, or play back jerkily ...

[15:16:52]

justinh:

Yahooadam: depends what theme you use

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Justin__:

i use automatic comm skipping and there are no problems

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justinh:

Yahooadam: use any of my shitty themes & it's slow as hell :P

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Justin__:

and manual when i need to

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yahooadam: I didn't have that problem... I think I was using a simple theme/osd...

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

oh well :p

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justinh:

use one of the more minimal themes

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Yahooadam:

then again, if i can get that nvidia Xorg driver working it could make a difference

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justinh:

Iulius or whatever

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Justin__:

justinh, are you the just that made glass-wide and all those?

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Justin__:

the justin*

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justinh:

yup

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Justin__:

nice, im using glass-wide :)

[15:18:20]

justinh:

the one who threw all the toys out of the pram, the very same

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

yeah i noticed your site is dead, what gives :(

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justinh:

I got hate emails when I announced I was no longer continuing development of some themes

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justinh:

so i thought "screw that.. infact screw everything"!

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Yahooadam:

thats rather lame

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Yahooadam:

(of the other people)

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Justin__:

justin, i wouldn't let the vocal minority discourage you

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justinh:

too late

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Justin__:

there are always douchebags

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justinh:

and it's always very easy to say don't let the bastards get you down

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justinh:

VERY easy to just say it

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Justin__:

well, for what its worth, i appreciate your past work

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justinh:

I was looking at making glass-wide 0.21 friendly the other night but I can't stand to look at it anymore

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Yahooadam:

aye, is good work :)

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Justin__:

i was considering trying to do the same :)

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justinh:

there'll be another theme at some point but a line has to be drawn. I'm not gonna continue putting stuff into the older ones forever

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Yahooadam:

another justin – n000 :p

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Yahooadam:

aslong as you supported project greyhem :p

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justinh:

as far as 0.21 goes glass-wide should be fine apart from a niggle in video-ui.xml which prevents metadata & IMDB numbers being entered

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justinh:

need to change a <textarea> to a <remoteedit> and add a <font>info</font> definition to the <remoteedit> container

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jduggan:

i get a strange flicker in teh guide when livetv is in the top right – with the glass-wide theme

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jduggan:

possibly its tearing issue – but i dont see it in any other theme

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justinh:

you know what to do then – don't use it :)

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justinh:

next one will prolly be more like mepo but obviously without the character & colour scheme

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justinh:

well maybe.. waiting to see what comes out fo the mythui port

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jduggan:

glass wide is a nice theme man

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Justin__:

justinh, i don't know if its related to what you said, but my only trouble with glass-wide on 0.21 is the position of the date on the program guide. its moved down and overlapping one of the channel numbers

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justinh:

I've not updated to 0.21 yet so I've not tested it properly

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justinh:

jduggan: I no longer like the way the screen is divided up in the guide, watch recordings, program finder etc

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justinh:

if it's to survive, the stupid rounded rectangles surrounding the list areas have got to go

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justinh:

the new concept I'm playing with at home can be customised with different backgrounds in a similar way to glass-wide

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justinh:

anyway.,. time to go get my new exhaust fitted

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psymin:

Anyone capturing Directv HD with their mythsetup?

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iamlindoro__:

Not possible currently, so I'll answer for everyone and say no :)

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psymin:

drat :)

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Justin__:

im not having much luck with the xbmc mythtv native support

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Justin__:

it lists all my recordings fine, but hangs when i try to play one

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adac:

with one tv card i can stream all channels that are on the same multiplex, right?

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iamlindoro__:

assuming it's a digital tuner and you have it configured properly, yes.

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iamlindoro__:

although you'd need to edit source code to tune more than 5 PIDs

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iamlindoro__:

(per card)

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adac:

PID's are channels?

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PatrickDK:

I find it strange my 2.8ghz p4 can play the high bitrate hdtv samples, but not the low bitrate ones

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iamlindoro__:

adac, sort of. Technically the entire multiplex is a channel, a PID is a program.

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adac:

ok so I probaly used the wrong term with channel I meant a single program

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, I understand

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adac:

;)

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mkrufky:

4 pids per mux is the maximum, iamlindoro_ ? if so, then why does mythtv-setup the option to change "max recordings" ?

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adac:

good!!

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adac:

mkrufky: probaly more tc cards?

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adac:

*tv

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I think it's set to 5 max for "max recordings," but it's just a matter of changing that # in the source

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mkrufky:

adac, it is a per-card setting

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adac:

mkrufky: ok

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, What I'm saying is that by default, you can't set "Max recordings" higher than 5

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mkrufky:

then im silly for setting it to four.... i will change that when i get home later

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adac:

how many programs normally can be on the same multiplex?

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mkrufky:

i have 14 programs on one atsc mux

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I know Greyfoxx and a few others have made that minor change and recorded 8–9 at one in a single mux

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iamlindoro__:

er at once

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mkrufky:

i have 2 1080i programs on 1 qam mux

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mkrufky:

and 4 720p programs on 1 qam mux

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mkrufky:

(the 16 programs on the 1 atsc mux are all 480i)

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iamlindoro__:

adac, I'm sure there *is* a maximum is the spec, but I don't know it. All my music channels are muxed into one channel, 36 of them

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iamlindoro__:

er in the spec

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: IMHO, seems silly to have *any* maximum setting..... if anything, it should be a MINIMUM setting

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I just work here ;)

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quicksilver:

mkrufky: I was under the impression that some hardware could only demux X channels

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quicksilver:

for some number X

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mkrufky:

ie: attempt to record at minimum X programs per mux, when possible, before trying to use a separate adapter

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quicksilver:

(although you could stream the multiplex without demuxing it and then demux later)

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iamlindoro__:

^^^ yup, that was my impression as well, some card have a limited # of PID filters

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mkrufky:

quicksilver: only hardware that has HARDWARE pid filters

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quicksilver:

yes

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quicksilver:

is that not common?

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quicksilver:

I have no clue :)

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mkrufky:

but "budget" dvb card do not have such limitation

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adac:

and there is no way to record 2 different mux with one single card?

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quicksilver:

adac: tje card would need 2 tuners

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mkrufky:

.....and the driver reports its pid filtering capabilities via DVB api

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iamlindoro__:

adac, nope

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quicksilver:

adac: such cards exist but they present themselves as 2 cards to the OS, AFAIK.

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adac:

ok i see

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adac:

quicksilver: so you mean cards with 2 tuners

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quicksilver:

yes.

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quicksilver:

but in the cases I've seen the OS will "think" that they are two cards.

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mkrufky:

cards with 2 DIGITAL tuners.....

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adac:

:)

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adac:

digital..OF COURSE :)

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mkrufky:

dont say of course — many new "combo" cards have 1x digital and 1x analog tuners

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mkrufky:

a new trend is "dual hybrid" cards

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mkrufky:

and i dont know of any atsc/qam "dual digital" cards, unfortunately

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mkrufky:

well, dvico has one, but i dont think it ever went to market

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adac:

mkrufky: and on the analog tuner yu just can stream or record 1 single programm i guess?

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mkrufky:

(it's supported in my tree, but i think it's a figment of the imagination)

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mkrufky:

correct, adac

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adac:

cool..thx guys helped me a lot!

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adac:

ahhh forgot, one last question: does recording a program eat a lot ressources?

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iamlindoro__:

nope, not really

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adac:

and lets say recording 10 programs?

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iamlindoro__:

practically no CPU and minimal to moderate I/O

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adac:

:)

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adac:

ok I see

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Landon:

I get "ln: creating symbolic link `/home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt' to `/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt': File exists

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Landon:

"

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Landon:

when I try to start up the backend

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mkrufky:

....and THATS one of the reasons why its a good idea to start your commercial flagging jobs while the show is still recording

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iamlindoro__:

Even if you're recording the whole mux, it'll never be more than a channel's worth of badnwidth, not very taxing I/Owise

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Landon:

I've tried removing the file in /home/mythtv before, but that only works for one restart

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Landon:

and then it's back to the ln error

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iamlindoro__:

Landon, sounds like your backend init script is doing funky things... edit the init script and remove the ln line

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adac:

mkrufky: i understand

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Landon:

oh der :) keep forgetting they're scripts

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iamlindoro__:

And punch the writer of your init script in the face

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Landon:

works like a charm now ;)

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timing:

my digital provider is adding video on demand do their package soon

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timing:

i was wondering if mythtv has the possibility to fetch the lists and menu structures of the video items which can be requested?

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iamlindoro__:

Nope, no VOD functions

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timing:

so how do the set-top boxes receive that information?

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directhex|work:

MHEG

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timing:

MHEG?

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timing:

hmm that's new for me

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iamlindoro__:

directhex|work, So do you guys have working VOD over there w/ Myth?

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iamlindoro__:

or just the non-VOD interactive stuff?

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directhex|work:

the latter

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iamlindoro__:

Ah, ok, glad I wasn't giving him bad info

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GreyFoxx:

jams: The first of the dvd changers showed up a few minutes ago!

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H00chster:

GreyFoxx, sorry for the bother, was wondering if you could point me to some bios for the MSNTV2 box, found the core ones but guess they don't do video by default? Or wondering if you cared to share yours?

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GreyFoxx:

The ones I use work with the intel frame buffer, but if you use the accelerated IEGD drivers (which you basically have to if you use that bios) you need to run an app I wrote to make the TV out work

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GreyFoxx:

using the S100 bios, or the linuxbios stuff I dont know abnout as I've yet to try one of those

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H00chster:

what do you recommend, I got it booting to the core one but like said just not enuf spunk!

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GreyFoxx:

Im curious about the linuxbios and S100 efforts, but until they seem to work for everyone I'm not gonna try them yet

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GreyFoxx:

www.phaze.org/mythtv/msntv

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GreyFoxx:

I keep all my apps/source/etc there I think

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GreyFoxx:

including the msntv-on app for getting the video out working with the IEGD X driver

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H00chster:

is the bios you are using there? in one of those tgz? the IEGD one I take?

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jams:

GreyFoxx- awesome!

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GreyFoxx:

H00chster: No, doesnt look like the bios is there

[17:36:46]

jams:

The other one is still here, since it took me so long to find a box I figured waiting a few more days to make sure the first one arrived was no big deal.

[17:36:51]

GreyFoxx:

I'd have to go digging for it, but can[t at the moment

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GreyFoxx:

(on a texdt console in the server room)

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H00chster:

understand man, if you don't mind when you get home that would be great. I am not home either. thanks so much for your time

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GreyFoxx:

jams: Its too cold to plug it in yet but it looks like it arrived just fine

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jams:

understand that

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GreyFoxx:

I'm gonna let it warm up for a couple hours first. The delivery truck musta been freezing cause it's not that cold out :)

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jams:

i will try to send the other one this week.

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jams:

you can take the next few hours to read the manual =)

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GreyFoxx:

pffft

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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st1650:

Can anyone tell me if I get this straight

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st1650:

In order to get a diskless front-end. The backend obviously already runs some kind of linux distro.

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st1650:

Then I'll need to setup TFTP

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: tivo hd supports mp2 audio with a software upgrade

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st1650:

and I'll need to compile a new kernel

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jams:

GreyFoxx- think static electricity is a concern? the other one is wrapped in a plastic bag surrounded by packing peanuts

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GreyFoxx:

jams: guess it depends on the type of bag? Ithe kind you find new monitors wrapped in or garbagebag/saran wrap type ?:)

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jams:

garbagebag

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jams:

oh just thought of something, i can grab a bag from work. I have a server to unpack.

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GreyFoxx:

hehe perfect :)

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jams:

shipping will have to wait until next week.

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GreyFoxx:

no worries

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GreyFoxx:

Guy at work has already asked if I can get more hehe

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GreyFoxx:

now he wants to daisy chain like 4 of them

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jams:

dang it, that means i have cleanup more peanuts

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jams:

don't look at me, my source is cleaned out.

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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jams:

yes..my new frontend should be delivered today!

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** laga cries **

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GreyFoxx:

I'm selling my current main hdtv frontend to a coworker and using the $$$ to buy a faster replacement :)

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laga:

my 'lost' recordings have three audio streams. AC3 german, mp2 german and mp2 english.. and mytharchive chooses two audio tracks, but not the english one. i guess that happens because the broadcaster labels them incorrectly

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc MWAHAHAH

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mkrufky:

lol, she dropped the H-bomb

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iamlindoro__:

That made me laugh so hard this morning

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laga:

heh

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mkrufky:

i like the bombs exploding just right near here

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mkrufky:

her

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iamlindoro__:

I like her taking out the sniper under the tank

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justdave:

the dvd playback in .21's mythvideo is supposed to work, right? :)

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iamlindoro__:

Assuming you have .21-fixes (initial .21 had some DVD issues that caused segfaults)

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justdave:

ok... I'm on ubuntu gutsy with backports enabled, would it be in there?

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iamlindoro__:

check the revision #, I believe 16483 is the build that fixed it

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laga:

heh, nice. you can choose "klingon" as EPG language in mythfrontend

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iamlindoro__:

I think that's 'cause it's part of ISO 639, no?

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justdave:

hmm, where do I find that revision #?

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laga:

iamlindoro__: yeah, i think so

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iamlindoro__:

justdave, mythbackend --version usually will give it to you

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justdave:

MythTV Version : 16468

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justdave:

== too old

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iamlindoro__:

yah

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justdave:

so that explains the broken-ness

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** justdave wonders why backports hasn't picked up a fixed version yet **

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iamlindoro__:

I'm only working from memory though but I'm 99% sure it's 16483 that commited the DVD fix

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** iamlindoro__ goes to check **

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justdave:

I seem to recall someone mentioning some other repo somewhere that had weekly updates from .21-fixes or something

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laga:

justdave: because.. it takes time to get stuff to backports

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iamlindoro__:

yeah 16483 it is

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laga:

justdave: weekly 21-fixes builds havent started yet

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iamlindoro__:

justdave, likely the mythbuntu repos

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NSVOE:

hellow

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NSVOE:

where can someone find pages n hardware compatability

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NSVOE:

on

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iamlindoro__:

If you're talking about tuner compatibility, the wikis at www.linuxtv.org

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NSVOE:

oooh ok so it's on the wiki ...ok

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sid3windr:

"the" wiki :)

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iamlindoro__:

*a* wiki anyway

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iamlindoro__:

out on the internets

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NSVOE:

so if my card is not there...then , it won't work??

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NSVOE:

does myth tv support wrappers>>

[18:25:16]

NSVOE:

??

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iamlindoro__:

What tuner card are you asking about? yes, generally, if it's not on either the DVB or v4l wiki, it won't work

[18:25:29]

NSVOE:

Geniatech NTSC Tuner Card

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, That card, if support exists, would be in the v4l wiki.

[18:25:57]

NSVOE:

THERE WAS ONLY LIKE 10 cards there!

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iamlindoro__:

If it's not there, it's a pretty good chance it's not supported

[18:26:06]

iamlindoro__:

there are *hundreds* of cards in there

[18:26:10]

iamlindoro__:

and stop yelling

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NSVOE:

that's outrageous deserves yelling, and your talking about witch wiki??

[18:26:50]

iamlindoro__:

the one I linked you to at linuxtv.org...

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iamlindoro__:

and even if it were true, why would it be outrageous/deserve yelling?

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NSVOE:

aah yes ...there were like 10 cards listed i'm there

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iamlindoro__:

Then your reading skills need some attention

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page

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NSVOE:

i'd paste it but you would just argue flooding

[18:28:25]

NSVOE:

? paste

[18:28:35]

NSVOE:

! paste

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iamlindoro__:

On the page I linked there are subpages for each chipset, each of which list dozens of supported cards...

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NSVOE:

http://rafb.net/p/cZ6BAP49.html

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justdave:

ah, looks like no .21-fixes until hardy?

[18:29:25]

justdave:

(reading mythbuntu.org)

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, you are *really* not spending much time looking

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, You need to tune up your attitude or you are not going to get any more help here

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daswork:

I have mythvideo using mplayer to play files.

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daswork:

Pause, play, menu navigation works.

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daswork:

Mute gives me a "Mute On" message, but the sound isn't changed.

[18:31:53]

daswork:

Neither do the volume controls.

[18:31:59]

daswork:

Er, neither do they work.

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NSVOE:

i must not know what i'm looking for

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justinh:

daswork: just use the Internal player, fwiw

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** justinh files the engadgethd surver under 'don't care' **

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daswork:

Let me see.

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justinh:

s/surver/survey

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[18:35:38]

daswork:

Nope, still doesn't work.

[18:35:45]

daswork:

I'm using MythVideo, if that helps/hinders.

[18:36:47]

justinh:

you do know that mplayer & mythtv players have different lirc profiles, right? not that you mention whether it's remote control you're having problems with

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NSVOE:

ok, i'm washed out i've been looking for hours on the internet for a decent card that myth tv will use and it needs to be low profile , and i finaly find one and now i am starting to find thatmyth tvmight not support it, can someone give me a personal sugestion on witch card to chose i really have no personale prefrence

[18:37:35]

NSVOE:

ooh yeah did i mention it needs to be cheap

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justinh:

NSVOE: totally depends what you're looking for. analogue? digital ? que? The best card for analogue is the hauppauge pvr150 – also available in low profile

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iamlindoro__:

Hauppauge PVR-150. The end.

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NSVOE:

so that's why i might seem a bit iritated

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NSVOE:

never thought of that,

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NSVOE:

but iamlindoro_is right i spoke too soon

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NSVOE:

it might need to be digital seeing as how were all going digital

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GreyFoxx:

holy sh*t , one of my recordingfs from weeks ago never ended when it was suppose to. It recorded fror over 15 hour instead of 30 minutes :)

[18:39:14]

GreyFoxx:

root@woop:/data/mythtv# du -sh 10027_20080306183000.mpg

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GreyFoxx:

34G 10027_20080306183000.mpg

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justinh:

heheh GreyFoxx – makes a change from the vice-versa scenario ;)

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PatrickDK:

guess it's not an hd recording :)

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NSVOE:

can i get a sugestion one more time pls?

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justinh:

NSVOE: Hauppauge PVR150

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I've had a couiple of them , all on ivtv tuners that have had it happen, none in weeks, but that was still on the system

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justinh:

there are no other analogue cards worth having

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, Hey, you had mentioned some recent firewire issues-- when they fail, are you seeing the "unable to get handle for port" error?

[18:40:33]

justinh:

as for digital – there are the PCHDTV series of cards – I believe some of them are low profile too

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GreyFoxx:

2008-03–24 19:00:08.174 LFireDev(0014E8FFFE0CE84C), Error: Starting A/V streaming, no channel

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: They all failed if a channel change was involved

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NSVOE:

i have digital cable....so i'm just assumeing that i need digital ??? (sereously)

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justinh:

in the case of there being no low profile cards being suitable – put the lame box in the bin & get one which takes proper cards

[18:41:10]

iamlindoro__:

and for digital, you need to keep in mind the probably limitations (ie if you plug it in to your cable you are likely to only get network and local TV, and none of the other channels

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GreyFoxx:

turning off the bus reset code in mythtv-setup and so far its worked perfectly

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iamlindoro__:

er probably

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, ahhh, ok, I will give that a shot when I get home

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iamlindoro__:

thanks

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justinh:

NSVOE: thing is, with digital cable you're only likely to ever get what the company supply unencrypted (at best)

[18:42:29]

iamlindoro__:

which = Local and Network Tv, no comedy central, no HBO, no discovery HD, etc.

[18:42:42]

NSVOE:

i didn't think to careever or never???? ..... so myth tv prolly won't work the same with cox

[18:42:57]

justinh:

at least, without going through a set top box first – and in that case your best bet is to use firewire – but even then they don't let you use everything you pay for with firewire either

[18:43:35]

NSVOE:

like on demand

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justinh:

it's not a limitation of linux or with mythtv. it's down to the abject greed of cable companies

[18:43:47]

iamlindoro__:

I know that Cox in the San Diego area encrypts *everything* but local and network TV, and via firewirk it's network TV only.

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iamlindoro__:

er firewire

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daswork:

It is a MCE2 USB remote.

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justinh:

and no cablecard support is ever likely to emerge for linux – infact what little cablecard support there's ever going to be for home computers will be limited to strictly controlled PC vendors

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daswork:

Woopsie.

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daswork:

BRB.

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justinh:

can't wait to see what kind of hassle DVB-T2 is going to be

[18:45:40]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, don't you agree we *seriously* need a !encryption command for a bot?

[18:45:54]

iamlindoro__:

so that we can stop doing this thrice-daily?

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justinh:

wouldn't be a problem if anybody bothered to read the FAQ

[18:46:42]

justinh:

maybe FAQs should be called FUCs (frequently unread constants)

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NSVOE:

so justinh is there a solution, i have a set top box from big cable. so cable does not let you use something else other than their box even at request??

[18:47:19]

justinh:

you got it

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daswork:

Okay.

[18:47:34]

daswork:

MCE2 USB Remote

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daswork:

Works under mythtv.

[18:47:49]

daswork:

Does not work under mythvideo.

[18:47:53]

justinh:

a minority of people get lucky with firewire outputs of set top boxes & get everything they pay for working over firewire

[18:48:02]

iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, There is no solution. With MythTV you will only be able to tune unencrypted channels digitally, meaning usually only network TV. You can tune everything w/ a set top box and analog, but that means standard def only.

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daswork:

~/.lircrc exists.

[18:48:23]

justinh:

daswork: does said .lircrc file have parts defined in it for mplayer?

[18:48:30]

NSVOE:

so what can you do?? i wouldn't mind useing the settop box plus the dvr and i know that there is a way cause philips sells a pvr

[18:48:30]

justinh:

and are all those parts _correct_ ?

[18:48:35]

Tanubi:

hi

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justinh:

NSVOE: you can make do with what little you can get, or you get their pvr

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NSVOE:

er settop box plus myth

[18:49:08]

justinh:

that's how they want it, and it's unlikely to ever change

[18:49:14]

Tanubi:

i'm having problems with mythtv after i have upgraded the kernel and could really need some hints on how to solve the problem

[18:49:26]

iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, as long as you want is standard def, STB + analog tuner in myth will work fine.

[18:49:36]

daswork:

justinh: http://rafb.net/p/I40vrm94.html

[18:49:39]

iamlindoro__:

er as all you want

[18:49:41]

daswork:

That looks correct, right?

[18:49:57]

Tanubi:

mythtv is not getting a lock when it tries to tune to a frequency

[18:50:09]

daswork:

I verified 'Foward' and 'Skip' with irw.

[18:50:14]

NSVOE:

well iamlindoro_things just got alot more complicated

[18:50:20]

Tanubi:

the thing is: szap gets a lock and i can even watch tv using VLC

[18:50:37]

Tanubi:

so i guess the problem is more related to mythtv itself

[18:50:38]

justinh:

daswork: verify all the buttons

[18:51:03]

justinh:

daswork: and I learned quickly to NEVER trust lircrc & lircd.conf files I found on the internet

[18:51:59]

PatrickDK:

I just always make my own lirc configs

[18:52:06]

PatrickDK:

it's not hard at all

[18:52:18]

Tanubi:

so does anybody know the differences of szap / VLC and mythtv when it comes to tuning to frequencies?

[18:52:32]

iamlindoro__:

Or for the lazy, there's the foolproof step of "apt-get install mythbuntu-lirc-generator"

[18:52:50]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: foolproof? pffffft

[18:53:17]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, More foolproof than many of the dunces we get in here trying to do it themselves :)

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iamlindoro__:

Ugh, someone just added a freaking novel to the "Mythtv sucks" page

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justinh:

daswork: basically, verify every button works with irw – then make sure the entries in the lircrc file for 'Button = ' correspond with what you want the buttons to do

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justinh:

doesn't get much more straightforward. I know it's a PITA but think of it as a PITA you only have to experience once :P

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justinh:

man, can somebody please delete that freaking wiki page?

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daswork:

Justinh: Checking now.

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: be a great idea to do what others do & simply ignore that page along with the others

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NSVOE:

justinh: what was the name o that huging card again??

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justinh:

it's too dispiriting otherwise

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justinh:

pvr150

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NSVOE:

thx

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iamlindoro__:

Mmmm, hugging card, sounds cozy

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I fscking hate that page

[19:05:26]

GreyFoxx:

It's just a place to bitch and put wishlist crap

[19:05:51]

justinh:

doesn't do the project as a whole any favours either – specially since google indexes the wiki

[19:06:04]

GreyFoxx:

Ive wanted to delete it since it went up

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iamlindoro__:

*sigh*... and such a productive title

[19:06:11]

GreyFoxx:

I don't see the point

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justinh:

is there even a wiki delete feature?

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justinh:

only way to get rid is to make the content blank AFAIK

[19:06:36]

GreyFoxx:

we have a wish list, and we have user "forumns" for troubnleshooting and bitching

[19:06:55]

justinh:

anyway.. I need to eat

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GreyFoxx:

the wiki is for information, not opinion/whiny bitching as if it's a mailing list /webforumn substitute

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, preaching to the choir, my friend :)

[19:09:15]

GreyFoxx:

I don't have sysop privs or I'd delete it :)

[19:09:22]

GreyFoxx:

though I could bug to get them

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GreyFoxx:

replce the page with a locked "go to the proper place, not here" :)

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** directhex installs a new xbmc build **

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daswork:

Should the internal player be able to skip ahead when playing iso files?

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GreyFoxx:

daswork: sure

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GreyFoxx:

assuming you mean a DVD ISO

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daswork:

And Z/Q are the keyboard shortcut keys for that, right?

[19:10:43]

GreyFoxx:

show seek like a regular DVD

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GreyFoxx:

I use arrow keys

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daswork:

Figured out my sound problem — was set to use OSS, but was using ALSA.

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daswork:

Is there a way to set the skip distance in myth?

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daswork:

Like 30 seconds vs 60 seconds?

[19:15:22]

daswork:

Google isn't being that helpful.

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iamlindoro__:

daswork, I'm not in front of my mythbox but I believe it's in TV Settings->Playback somewhere

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daswork:

Even for mythvideo? Okay.

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iamlindoro__:

So long as you are using the internal player, yes.

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daswork:

Thanks everyone!

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jarle:

daswork: "z" is for skipping commercials...

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daswork:

Does that work on recorded shows as well?

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jarle:

daswork: that's the only place I use it...

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justinh:

notice the 'would-be developers' thread I started has died a death

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justinh:

how do other projects go about attracting dev talent? does it always just happen that people go looking??

[19:58:16]

iamlindoro__:

They all realized it soundsed an awful lot like work

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iamlindoro__:

er sounded

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iamlindoro__:

Why do work when you can start wiki pages to get what you want?

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justinh:

well, the itches I have still ain't been scratched ;)

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nwahmaet:

start a wiki :)

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: I don't think any of that ever works

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nwahmaet:

justinh: that would be devs thread, was it on email, or here?

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mtnbkr:

I know this is a long-shot, but is there any way to downgrade the mythconverg database schema (without losing data?)

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justinh:

nwahmaet: mythtvtalk.com/forum/

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iamlindoro__:

mtnbkr, only by using that backup you didn't make ;)

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justinh:

thankfully 0.21 mythtv made the backup for you (if you upgraded)

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mtnbkr:

iamlindoro__: lol yeah yea Yea I know I know... I just checked only to find the cupboard was bare. :)

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mtnbkr:

justinh: where might it have put the dump? My logs just show "if there is a long pause it is probably because the database schema is being upgraded"

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iamlindoro__:

It's supposed to go in your recordings directory

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mtnbkr:

what happened is that my mythbackend slave updated, but the master is still on an old FC6 box and there is really no upgrade path and poof

[20:02:19]

mtnbkr:

iamlindoro__: thanks! checking now...

[20:02:58]

fxr_:

does myth have issues handling idx and sub subtitles files? or am i missing somethiong silly?

[20:03:11]

mtnbkr:

THANK YOU SWEET JEBUS! /mnt/store/mythconverg-1160–20080319224944.sql.gz

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iamlindoro__:

hehe

[20:03:31]

mtnbkr:

man it suck when myth is NOT working. :)

[20:03:47]

mtnbkr:

Thanks as usual for the fast and correct answer !

[20:04:01]

mtnbkr:

wonder why the SLAVE is allowed to update a DB schema...

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justinh:

mtnbkr: only really can if it's the wrong version

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justinh:

repeat after me.. all mythtv boxes must run exactly the same version

[20:05:37]

iamlindoro__:

that said, is there a good reason you can't build .21 from source on a FC6 box? (genuine question, dunno a ton about fedora)

[20:06:20]

justinh:

all I know about mythtv on FC is "rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrelp! everyfink is brokey! I am inside dependensee hell!"

[20:06:45]

justinh:

I'm sure it's not always like that but I'm fearful of even trying it one day because of that

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mtnbkr:

justinh: yeh... I know... But one box (slave) is a gentoo box that I (admittedly) foolishly allowed to perform an update – Basically, I scanned through what was going to be done and missed the .20 to .21 update... Thought it was more "minor" than that.

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mtnbkr:

iamlindoro__: what justinh just said.

[20:07:23]

justinh:

another reason I stopped using gentoo – or indeed allowing any automagical updates to happen

[20:07:33]

mtnbkr:

really. I looked at doing the update last night and decided that that machine needs to be updated to something more current and maintainable too

[20:07:46]

justinh:

my dapper backend is still pretty much running what came off the CD apart from mythtv & ffmpeg

[20:07:47]

mtnbkr:

justinh: well, it wasn't auto, it was my fault. :(

[20:08:23]

mtnbkr:

It kills me that my two diskless boxes are also offline until (hopefully a few more minutes when I restore the db)

[20:08:27]

justinh:

keeps telling me I need to update stuff – er.. sorry matey – you're still working, I don't have any problems, so NO update for you!

[20:08:33]

mtnbkr:

those things are freakin' cool. :)

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justinh:

and when I do update I'll likely just put a new HDD in there & keep the old one for a while until I'm sure all is well

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mtnbkr:

database dropped and created, restoring now...

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NSVOE:

justinh: the Hauppauge PVR-150 is "wintv"???

[20:13:20]

NSVOE:

wintv pvr-150

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justinh:

NSVOE: so long as it has PVR-150 in the name it's good

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justinh:

it's sad that so many things still have 'win' in their name, even in this day & age!

[20:13:59]

PatrickDK:

origional wintv was just a bt848 recorder, the pvr's is what got the mpeg encoder on them

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mtnbkr:

justinh: lol I couldn't have said that better myself. re: "win in their name"

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NSVOE:

oooh justinh i called my cable sp and they said that it should wour for most people but you must buy the dvr servace from them , then they would start sending out something to the box that would enable you to use it

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NSVOE:

(not the dvr)

[20:15:30]

NSVOE:

just the servace

[20:16:22]

NSVOE:

does that sound fimaliar

[20:16:31]

iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, completely and utterly wrong

[20:16:43]

iamlindoro__:

painfully, painfully, nightmare-inducingly wrong

[20:17:16]

iamlindoro__:

GED-seekingly wrong

[20:18:32]

iamlindoro__:

sounds like another cable company fib along the lines of "you need our box to get HDTV"

[20:18:53]

iamlindoro__:

or, "the FCC is making you get our digital cable."

[20:20:38]

mtnbkr:

iamlindoro__: the problem is that with my cable (comcast) without the box there appear to quite a few HD channels that I can not see direct with the TV itself.

[20:20:57]

NSVOE:

dude justinh that card is like 77 dollars

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iamlindoro__:

mtnbkr, That's because those channels are encrypted

[20:21:07]

mtnbkr:

figures

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NSVOE:

you sure we can't get any cheaper

[20:21:41]

mtnbkr:

g-dan DRM

[20:21:41]

NSVOE:

?

[20:21:48]

mtnbkr:

g-damn even

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iamlindoro__:

mtnbkr, for what it's worth, we comcasties out here on the west coast often have a lot of luck with firewire-- sad you're in CT, everyone I have heard from on the East Coast gets practically nothing from the STB via firewire

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, newegg has PVR-150s for $50

[20:23:33]

NSVOE:

it doesn't need to be that spesific one

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mtnbkr:

iamlindoro__: it's amazing to me that within the same corporation that they are not consistent across the US

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NSVOE:

just bla bla .....pvr-150

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iamlindoro__:

and if you want a halfway-decent analog card then yes, you need to get a pvr-150

[20:24:07]

NSVOE:

how do i kno that myth will suppor it

[20:24:08]

iamlindoro__:

mtnbkr, they're franchises, so they differ a lot from headend to headend

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, because PVR-150s are all made by hauppauge and they're supported?

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NSVOE:

i don't know

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iamlindoro__:

Well *I* do.

[20:24:57]

iamlindoro__:

And they are.

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NSVOE:

OH ooh ok i thought you were asking me for some reason

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mtnbkr:

iamlindoro__: can you eplain in a few sentences about what/how you get more HD channels via the STB with the firewire port? I am curious.

[20:26:35]

mtnbkr:

NSVOE: buy the PVR500 it is two 150's in one PCI card. I have two and you will immediately feel limited if/when you want to record two shows or watch tv and record something else etc. with just one tuner

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mtnbkr:

that's just my opinion though. :)

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iamlindoro__:

mtnbkr, STB policies are transmitted to the STB via a piece of equipment in the headend-- these include whether the firewire port is operational, and what can be dumped by way of it-- I know that here in the SF Bay Area, in Seattleish, and near Portland we have people whose headend policies allow for firewire and almost all of the channels working... a firewire connection to the STB essentially gets added in mythtv-setup as a tuner, and myth h

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iamlindoro__:

andles a direct dump of the mpg-2 stream via the firewire port

[20:27:46]

iamlindoro__:

That's the short-short version of how it works

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mtnbkr:

interesting.

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NSVOE:

well...

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NSVOE:

that's a point but i am really curious to know how cable companys do it with only one

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, only one what?

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NSVOE:

they only have one input

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iamlindoro__:

They have a splitter inside the box

[20:29:13]

iamlindoro__:

it's still two tuners in there

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NSVOE:

aaah

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NSVOE:

ic

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iamlindoro__:

the PVR-500 is the same way, it's one connection into the card, and split internally to two tuners

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NSVOE:

i thought that but i wasn't sure if they found some way to emulate with hardware

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psymin:

so speaking of grabbing two channels with one card .. could I grab channel 8.1 and 8.2 with one pchdtv card?

[20:30:24]

NSVOE:

or....something

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iamlindoro__:

psymin, yup

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psymin:

right on .. same with 11.1 and 11.2 ?

[20:31:02]

iamlindoro__:

yup, anything on the same multiplex

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psymin:

neat .. digital tv noob here <----

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NSVOE:

iamlindoro_: what's with this pchdtv card

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, it's a digital tuner card-- like we told you before, most people are limited to local channels and network TV only because all the other channels are encrypted

[20:32:32]

iamlindoro__:

and before you ask, *no*, there is no way to decrypt with a set top box before sending it to a digital tuner

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NSVOE:

well i fixed that with my cable company so now i need a diffrent card?

[20:32:54]

NSVOE:

and i DO have digital

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, You did *not* fix anything with your cable co

[20:33:09]

iamlindoro__:

They cannot selectively send a channel unencypted to a single user

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iamlindoro__:

There is *no way* to do so with cable-- if a channel is encrypted, it is encrypted to *all* people in the cable system

[20:34:32]

NSVOE:

that's not what they said

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, "they" are wrong

[20:34:54]

NSVOE:

they said that they send the key

[20:35:10]

NSVOE:

once you pay the 11 dollars for the sercice

[20:35:16]

NSVOE:

servace

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, which is received by a *set top box only*

[20:35:33]

iamlindoro__:

Anyone here want to help me break this down for him?

[20:35:33]

NSVOE:

no no set top box i made that clear to them

[20:35:55]

NSVOE:

how do you think panasonic can use their stuff

[20:36:00]

iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, Then they either lied or were uninformed-- they *cannot* selectively decrypt digital channels for a single user, it just doesn't work that way

[20:36:01]

NSVOE:

their independant

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, It's an *analog tuner*

[20:36:23]

NSVOE:

i didn't say that

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NSVOE:

i said that they send the key

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NSVOE:

to decrypt it

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NSVOE:

to whatever is hooked up

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, I'm not going to argue with you about it, that's *not* how digital tuners work, they don't accept "keys" from the cable co

[20:37:37]

NSVOE:

i called it a key she called it somethign else i forgot

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, they don't accept *anything* besides a TV signal, no matter *what* you call it

[20:38:14]

iamlindoro__:

And they are *incapable* of doing any sort of decryption

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mtnbkr:

THANK YOU JEBUS (again) database schema downgraded mythtv working – off to boot a PXE minimtyth box to test it too. :)

[20:39:18]

NSVOE:

the receiveing en does the encryption

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NSVOE:

end

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, you are lost, seriously... you need to listen-- *no* American digital tuning card that works with MythTV will *ever* be able to tune an encrypted channel, and cable technology will *not* allow them to send unencrypted signals to a single user

[20:41:03]

iamlindoro__:

ffs, will *someone* step in and explain this to him?

[20:41:17]

NSVOE:

please

[20:41:29]

NSVOE:

and keep in mind that i am a technition

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GreyFoxx:

What needs explanation, he is correct.

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NSVOE:

grassieass

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GreyFoxx:

And by that I mean, iamindoro is correct

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PatrickDK:

maybe the cable company was going attempt to install a cable card into his pvr?

[20:43:30]

GreyFoxx:

possibly

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DaveMorris:

how can I stop getting these in my logs – http://pastebin.com/m2c0c45ba – I've tried rescanning but no luck.

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NSVOE:

the only reasonthat the cable company uses cards is so that they cannot easily be hacked and made to recive a billion channels

[20:47:23]

NSVOE:

yet are still hacked

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, Cablecard has not been hacked, and there will never be a linux implementation of it anyway

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NSVOE:

you could use software alythograms to recive the same codes that the cable company are useing , and utlise the codes or WhatEver it is they do , with software

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justinh:

jesus that page is back with a vengeance

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, we are all trying to save you some trouble here-- if you buy a digital tuner card, you will plug it in, scan, and in spite of anything you may have paid for or your cable company believes, you will find that you will *only* get locals and network TV

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GreyFoxx:

Justin?

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NSVOE:

and yes cable box cards actually have ben compromised

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, link?

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GreyFoxx:

NSVOE: Got a link to Anything about that other than someone posting "yeah I did it" on a webforum ?

[20:50:11]

NSVOE:

lol

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NSVOE:

i know of a place that....vaguely knew of a place that heard all about it

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, this is not a room of simpletons, people in here know a *lot* about television... we are not making the stuff up, and we are *not* uninformed... everything we are telling you is the truth

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iamlindoro__:

Your cable co cannot flip some switch that will allow you to receive all your channels unencrypted without giving it to *everyone* on the cable system

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** psymin scans iamlindoro__'s past statements and scrutinizes them. **

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NSVOE:

really

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: Kevin Khupal (sp?) has reinstated it

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NSVOE:

are you fimilar with broadmabd routeing scheme

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GreyFoxx:

NSVOE: He is absolutely correct

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NSVOE:

cause the iee commision actualy has a standard for routeing rj-11

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NSVOE:

er

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NSVOE:

sorry

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NSVOE:

rg

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GreyFoxx:

It would not only be ridiculous hardware costs but would also alloow at a MINIMUM your entire neighbourhood to get them unencrypted as well

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NSVOE:

they can send you a smiley face right on your tv screen while your watching tv

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iamlindoro__:

they can only send per-subscriber stuff with *their* set top box, and that is via IP, not via the cable system

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NSVOE:

actually

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NSVOE:

ip scheme is faulty

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NSVOE:

the iee is changeing it in the future

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, have no idea what you mean by that, but each STB in a digital cable system *does* have an IP address

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NSVOE:

you sure it doesn't have a mac adress??

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iamlindoro__:

It has both, in fact.

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NSVOE:

the indivualised number burned into the mainboard chips , at the time of it's creation

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iamlindoro__:

That's a MAC address, and like I said, the box has both

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: if it carries on much longer it'll only serve to suggest that the wiki is no more a useful tool than a chocolate fireguard. It's already a hive of 1st person postings with factual inaccuracies and woefully out of date. Almost beyond redemption IMHO. Ach well

[20:58:50]

clif4d:

Hi, did mythvideo introduce some kind of background file scanning in 0.21? And if so, is there a way to disable it?

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, what is it exactly you are trying to do, here? You're not telling me anything I didn't already know, but you need to get this point-- you *cannot* send unencrypted to a single user, and digital tuner cards *cannot* decrypt. Therefore, you *cannot* get all your channels via digital from your cable co without them giving them to many thousands of users at the same time

[20:59:21]

iamlindoro__:

clif4d, you may be talking about the uPnP file scan (which isn't really a mythvideo thing per se)

[20:59:34]

iamlindoro__:

clif4d, you can start the backend with --noupnp IIRC to turn it off

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clif4d:

iamlindoro__: that may be, I just see that my harddrives doesn't spin down anymore, which is quite bad for my power bill :)

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iamlindoro__:

clif4d, yeah, that's probably it-- try that flag in your backend args

[21:00:22]

NSVOE:

iee institute for electrical electronics engenering

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clif4d:

iamlindoro__: okay, thanks I'll try that

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GreyFoxx:

clif4d: It updates the upnp list every 30 minutes,m and It's not affected by the commandline switch

[21:00:28]

iamlindoro__:

assuming you don't care about upnp functionality, that is

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GreyFoxx:

the scan will still occur

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, it's IEEE, and yes, we know. So?

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GreyFoxx:

It just might not be advertised on the network

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GreyFoxx:

clif4d: I

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clif4d:

GreyFoxx: so now there is now way to keep a hardrive in standby when they are not in use anymore?

[21:01:22]

GreyFoxx:

'm going to commit code to let you specify how often the update occurs, but that will be in trunk

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clif4d:

GreyFoxx: okay, that sounds good, I'll check that out when it's ready

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NSVOE:

so they say what's possable not

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, what is it you think we are wrong about? I used to work in a cable headend, how much more expertise should I have to convince you?

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GreyFoxx:

clif4d: When I wwrote it I didn't even consider putting a backend drives in standby as it's a practice I don't do

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NSVOE:

those green boxes out side are usually switches, and the ones by your house are hubs and the ones on your street are routers

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NSVOE:

they have just as much control as i do over my remote computers

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, *all* the channels in your cable system are *always* being broadcast down the line at *all* times-- they do *not* route the video to you

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** keith4_ is confused about this discussion **

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** iamlindoro__ is confused by the thick-headedness **

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clif4d:

GreyFoxx: I see, but I just think it's nice to be able to have a lower power consumption at night and such, no big problem so I'll just wait till the patch is ready

[21:04:39]

GreyFoxx:

clif4d: Its done I was just waiting for the QT4 merge before I commited it

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AndyCap:

keith4_: probably less confusing if you /ign the kook. :P

[21:04:54]

GreyFoxx:

if I'm not too lazy I might put it in tonight

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NSVOE:

i don't thing that's even theoreticly possable...............hold on, let me think

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GreyFoxx:

It just adds a settings page to mythtv-setup for upnp options. and over time I'll add more and more of the options

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GreyFoxx:

so you could increase teh time from the default 1800 seconds to whatever value you like. I could make 0 mean off

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GreyFoxx:

but I don't like the off part as it will then generate complains about the data never being updated

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clif4d:

GreyFoxx: okay, good to hear that this functionallity is comming back, and yeah, an option to disable it completely would be great too :)

[21:07:33]

clif4d:

GreyFoxx: once a week is fine too, then :)

[21:07:59]

AndyCap:

NSVOE: you think this is 10mbit coax ethernet they're using or what?

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daswork:

Will the internal player play .ms files from a MCE machine?

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justinh:

daswork: nope

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GreyFoxx:

never heard of a ms file.... what codec /format is that ?

[21:08:41]

daswork:

Will mplayer?

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directhex:

unlikely but true: i tried the mythtv functionality in svn xbmc. i started livetv, and it froze up. it also caused the wife's mythtv player to crash. mythtv player will now crash whenever she starts it, without fail

[21:08:45]

justinh:

you'd have to export them to mpeg2

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daswork:

GreyFoxx: Looks like it is an AVI file.

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directhex:

.ms-dvr ?

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justinh:

well, export .ms-dvr files to some non-ms propriatary crap format

[21:09:17]

directhex:

iirc it's recontainered mpeg2 with drm

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NSVOE:

i know it's stp

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directhex:

used by media center

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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justinh:

and stuffed with metadata IIRC

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daswork:

Hmmmm.

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daswork:

Looks like mplayer plays them.

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daswork:

HOw.

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jduggan:

spanning tree protocol? :o

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AndyCap:

...

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NSVOE:

try again

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NSVOE:

\un like cat 5 witch is utp

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keith4_:

you think cable comes over shield twisted pair?

[21:10:46]

keith4_:

shielded, rather

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AndyCap:

NSVOE: so, what is your field of expertise really?

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keith4_:

Interactive E-Solutions, obviously

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NSVOE:

i'm a consultant

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE-- facts about cable: all the channels are being broadcast, in parallel across the entire system at once. To turn off encryption on a single channel would make it unencrypted to all users on that node. Current cable systems are neither switched nor routed.

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iamlindoro__:

Facts!

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** keith4_ enjoys his unencrypted digital cable and HD **

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** directhex hands iamlindoro__ soe soax **

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directhex:

some coax

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directhex:

bah, sleeeepy :(

[21:12:58]

** iamlindoro__ is bout to take NSVOE out back with the "rubber coax." **

[21:13:06]

NSVOE:

do you know anything about broadband cable

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** iamlindoro__ points at the part above where he said he WORKED IN A FUCKING CABLE HEADEND **

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro__: 10base-5 should do the job just find.

[21:13:48]

keith4_:

.. I can't tell if he's serious, or just enjoys goading you guys

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GreyFoxx:

NSVOE: I use to work adminning a cable modem ISp, (including the initial install of all of the cablemodem gear, both DOCSIS and pre DOCSIS) and then spent 4 years supporting cable companies

[21:14:32]

GreyFoxx:

so yeah, iamlindoro and I have a hands on clue about what we are talking about

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directhex:

poor GreyFoxx

[21:14:44]

NSVOE:

how do you think they are actuall capable of sending internet phone and tv through one cable

[21:14:48]

GreyFoxx:

so you are either a troll, really dense, or were sold a bill of goods by and idiot

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directhex:

why not do an honorable job like work in porn?

[21:15:11]

jduggan:

ive an admin friend working in porn industry

[21:15:20]

jduggan:

its surprising what work he gets

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AndyCap:

directhex: there are some requirements. like wood.

[21:15:32]

NSVOE:

number one it's full duplex OF COURSE

[21:15:51]

NSVOE:

and the main reason is because of multiplexing

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FinnTux:

cmon guys. don't give him the pleasure. I bet he is laughing his a** off there... :)

[21:16:05]

GreyFoxx:

he's gotta be trolling

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** directhex megaplexes GreyFoxx to the plasma manifold **

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NSVOE:

not jokeing and the way they can route is time devision multiplexing

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GreyFoxx:

NSVOE: Irrelevant

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GreyFoxx:

They are BROADCASTING the video signals

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iamlindoro__:

furthermore, multiplex wavelength consultant Megabits, Cat 5, cat 5 cat 5.

[21:17:13]

NSVOE:

all of the subchannels have a demultiplexer

[21:17:28]

keith4_:

maybe he's a bot

[21:17:42]

NSVOE:

witch would be yuur tv....cable phone

[21:17:50]

keith4_:

looks a lot like an eggdrop bot

[21:18:06]

keith4_:

...pre-fed with telecom jargon

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NSVOE:

i learned this stuff

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NSVOE:

at school

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iamlindoro__:

And "A Childs Treasury of Misspelled words"

[21:18:35]

NSVOE:

and at the iee

[21:18:48]

NSVOE:

not fed anything but true knowlege

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keith4_:

what school?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o GreyFoxx

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AndyCap:

Junior High

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iamlindoro__:

NSVOE, You may have gone to school, but your learning is looking a little questionable from where we stand

[21:19:04]

NSVOE:

do you know what TDM is

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iamlindoro__:

ruh roh, banhammer in 5...

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Mode for #mythtv-users by GreyFoxx!i=greg@out.of.phaze.org : -o+b NSVOE *!*n=blake@68.96.153.*

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NSVOE has been kicked from #Mythtv-users by GreyFoxx!i=greg@out.of.phaze.org (I learned this in IRC school. I've had enough of this dense conversation)

[21:19:15]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: That's amazing! It says Multimplex Wavelength Consultant Megabits, Cat 5, cat 5, cat 5." on my business card!

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keith4_:

that was a quick 5

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AndyCap:

keith4_: no units specified. :P

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keith4_:

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iamlindoro__:

I've seen a lot of stuff in here, and that's the first time I've *ever* seen someone kicked. Crazy!

[21:20:05]

** Tanthrix finds it amusing that spouting misinformation gets an instant kick, but being a complete trolling jerk towards newbies is totally ignored **

[21:20:11]

GreyFoxx:

I'm usually a very patient person, but jesus

[21:20:26]

iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix, whoah WHOAH! trolling jerk to newbies is a time honored TRADITION in here

[21:20:39]

iamlindoro__:

Heck, I'd be long since banned ;)

[21:21:05]

iamlindoro__:

Now about that extra-wide business card of yours

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[21:21:43]

Tanthrix:

To some extent, yes. But I was more thinking of such fun folks like mchou who are actively malicious and roam free, where as this guy who was doing no such thing gets the boot.

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directhex:

let's be fair here – nowhere will have taught specifically what he sais he had, so he's been filling in gaps in an unrelated couse. that's actual deduction! that should be praised! just because it's wrong, doesn't make it inherently a bad thing...

[21:21:56]

directhex:

Tanthrix, i have mchou on /ignore

[21:22:06]

iamlindoro__:

Anyway, recompense for that will be when he buys a digital tuner card and can only watch the community college channel

[21:22:29]

iamlindoro__:

I liked the part where he learned it "at the IEEE"

[21:22:30]

iamlindoro__:

hehe

[21:22:36]

GreyFoxx:

Tanthrix: Instant kick? Pffft that went ont for an hour

[21:22:39]

directhex:

he said the IEE

[21:22:45]

keith4_:

/ignore'ing people is so confusing, though. because then when people answer the ignore'd guy, you don't know what's going on

[21:22:47]

iamlindoro__:

yes, that ;)

[21:22:52]

GreyFoxx:

keith4_: heh yeah

[21:22:57]

Tanthrix:

keith4_: Aye. That's exactly why I don't do it.

[21:23:03]

justinh:

keith4_: that's that -replies is for :)

[21:23:09]

directhex:

keith4_, i have a spidey sense for when people are replying to mchou though

[21:23:25]

keith4_:

i'm saving this log... i'm going to parse out his conversation and post it somewhere

[21:23:31]

directhex:

anything where people are acting confused, or suggesting china isn't the master race

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iamlindoro__:

Bah, half his replies are "lol" when you make a valid point

[21:23:45]

Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: I came late, sorry. Still though, that guy is an angel compared to mchou. I would have banned him years ago.

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iamlindoro__:

We should have ban mondays like Kotaku!

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justinh:

hahaha there's a TV X show called 'A & O Department'. Wonder what that's about

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Turn1:

is anyone noticing their hard drive going crazy after upgrading to .21?

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Tanthrix:

Turn1: The devs decided that mythboxes were getting too quiet and added that feature in.

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Turn1:

are they any tools i don't know about to find out more what my drive is actually doing?

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iamlindoro__:

Turn1, your backend logs will be the best source of info

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Turn1:

if mythbackend is running, my hard drive is just seeking like crazy for hours and hours

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GreyFoxx:

Turn12: run mythbackend with -v all

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GreyFoxx:

see what is happenning

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, could we have someone who looks like a fearsome pirate, like kotaku?

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Tanthrix:

It must be doing something nitcable if you're hearing that much noise.

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GreyFoxx:

If you see a ton of INSERT INTO upnpmedia that would bve it scanning your mythvideo content for upnp serving

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GreyFoxx:

but generally that should only take a moment or 2

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Turn1:

hmmm... when i run it from the command line it doesn't *seem* to be doing it...

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Turn1:

i'm at work now and can't actually hear it

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justinh:

oh wow why oh why didn't I make glass-wide like this?

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Turn1:

but my top output shows 0.0%wa, when it was running around 75+

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: like what ?

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iamlindoro__:

directhex, BRIAN CRECENTEEEEEEEEE! USE ME, SONIC!

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iamlindoro__:

directhex, I lol'ed. Hard.

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: you'll have to wait & see :)

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, behave, or i shan't give you your garlic

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: hehe

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iamlindoro__:

They pay me... handsomely...

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justinh:

I'm sick of falling out of love with my own work. I just can't stop :(

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justinh:

let this one have some longevity ffs

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directhex:

justinh, rum, and lots of it

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GreyFoxx:

Well, finally came accross the first HDTV recording my frontend stutters on

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GreyFoxx:

darm deinterlacing

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directhex:

poor GreyFoxx

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** iamlindoro__ 's blood pressure returns to normal. **

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keith4_:

wait, I can use a single pchdtv to grab multiple channels on the same multiplex???

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iamlindoro__:

keith4_, Yep!

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iamlindoro__:

neat, huh?

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** xand wonders why he's getting dozens of: http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/482.dat: Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at /usr/local/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 241, <GEN28> line 6. **

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keith4_:

holy crap

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GreyFoxx:

keith4_: multirec goodness :)

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iamlindoro__:

keith4_, now you can record multiple channels of nothing-worth-watching! :)

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directhex:

keith4_, it's a minor feature. according to engadget, the big mythtv 0.21 feature is QAM recording no hdhomerun!

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iamlindoro__:

HA

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keith4_:

can anyone save me time searching for this documentation?

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keith4_:

iamlindoro__: yah, great. now I can fill up my LVM even faster

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GreyFoxx:

sweet, switching the deinterlacer to linear blend is doing the job

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keith4_:

at 5G/hr

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GreyFoxx:

but I'm still close to the wire. Upgrade time!

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iamlindoro__:

keith4_, tuner card setup in mythtv-setup, edit the card, press recording options, increase "Max recordings"

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justinh:

keith4_: the best bit is you don't even need your LVM anymore!

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keith4_:

justinh: yah, well.... it's already there

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keith4_:

iamlindoro__: fantastic

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keith4_:

any bottlenecks there?

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iamlindoro__:

not unless you're running the backend on a hamster wheel

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psymin:

he doesn't need LVM anymore? What magic do you speak of?

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iamlindoro__:

psymin, storage groups!

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keith4_:

mmmm, storage groups

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psymin:

Ahhhhhh, I'll look into those.

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XLV:

iamlindoro, some jbod?

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keith4_:

justinh: now if I can just find a place to backup about 800G of crap, i can ditch the LVM

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psymin:

XLV: its some item in the mythtv config

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iamlindoro__:

XLV, more or less-- can set up a bunch of disks as eligible for recordings and myth will aggregate their available space and use them as appropriate for space, I/O, etc.

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XLV:

iamlindoro__, nice

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iamlindoro__:

and psymin is right, it's mythtv-setup, last menu option

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keith4_:

yah. sexiest feature of .21, if you ask me

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iamlindoro__:

multirec and storage groups are both muy caliente for sure

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iamlindoro__:

but hey, as directhex says, gotta look at the *real* feature as per engadgetHD... HDHomeRun QAM tuning! *cricket*

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keith4_:

wtf is HDHomeRun anyway?

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GreyFoxx:

a network based tuner

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GreyFoxx:

so the data is fed to myth via ethernet

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FinnTux:

multirec > storage groups

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psymin:

that sounds useful, since pci slots are getting fewer and fewer ..

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iamlindoro__:

FinnTux, for those tuning digitally, anyway

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Thomas-:

raid and lvm > storage groups

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FinnTux:

like me :)

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FinnTux:

but yes, I get your point iamlindoro

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iamlindoro__:

It's *awful* easy to get used to-- tough to go back to *shudder* analog after you've had digital for a while

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psymin:

speaking of raid and lvm .. does anyone know if its possible to use dm-crypt on a raid5 array and lvm .. and add additional disks (ie space) to the setup? :)

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keith4_:

yikes

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keith4_:

psymin: you can definitely grow a software raid5 to more disks, and you can easily expand an LVM

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keith4_:

not sure about dm-crypt

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psymin:

yeah, dm-crypt is the part of the puzzle that I'm not sure on

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Thomas-:

psymin: sure can

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psymin:

without a reformat?

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justinh:

anyway, I won't put this one up on any blimmin website when it's done

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Thomas-:

I've done it, went from a broken raid5 setup (only 2 disks) to 5 disks in the final setup

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psymin:

Thomas-: and added space to the filesystem while using dm-crypt?

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Thomas-:

yes

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psymin:

wooo!

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Thomas-:

i'm using luks, but it should be the same

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psymin:

yeah, I'd be on luks too

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Thomas-:

md->lvm->crypt->fs on archive and md->lvm->fs for mythtv

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Thomas-:

didn't see any need to crypt the mythtv recordings :)

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psymin:

I'm sure this is offtopic .. but why not lvm->md?

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psymin:

Thomas-: you crypt the recordings so the signal to noise ratio is worse when someone is trying to break it :)

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psymin:

same reason I shred all my junk mail

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Thomas-:

:)

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xand:

why does the "pre-scaling theme images" scrollbar... scroll twice? >.<

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keith4_:

lvm->md? what? that doesn't even make sense

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Thomas-:

md because I know it and I don't think that LVM gives you exactly the same features as a raid5 setup with lvm

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keith4_:

xand: extra scaling

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xand:

it's obviously lying!

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Thomas-:

lvm->md doesn't make sense

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** psymin lets his brain run for a few more cycles. **

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Thomas-:

but lvm only (or plus crypt) does

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keith4_:

iamlindoro__: GreyFoxx: in case you want to remember today forever... I saved it (bored at work) http://www.lehigh.edu/~kbe2/temp/mythtv-users.txt

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justinh:

keith4_: blah blah this channel is logged

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keith4_:

sure

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iamlindoro__:

keith4_, hehe, wow, you went alllll the way back

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keith4_:

oh, i forgot the part where "bored at work" means "I stripped out all of the irrelevent bits"

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FinnTux:

md for redundancy and then lvm on top of that for expandability

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keith4_:

and i even corrected a few peoples' lines, using their corrections

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keith4_:

FinnTux: yes. if i'm (we're?) not mistaken, he suggested doing it the other way around

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FinnTux:

yes, and like some said, it doesn't make sense

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keith4_:

eh

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keith4_:

sorry, i'm tired

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justinh:

aha! gone will be the chromey curved selection bars. banished!

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FinnTux:

just trying to make sense myself...

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keith4_:

g'night, gents. it's been a pleasure

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iamlindoro__:

night

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keith4_:

and for the record, i laughed so hard that people down the hall came to ask what was so funny when i looked back at IRC and saw "<iamlindoro__> ruh roh, banhammer in 5..."

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iamlindoro__:

Hehehe

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iamlindoro__:

I saw which way the wind was blowin'

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Mode for #mythtv-users by GreyFoxx!i=greg@out.of.phaze.org : -o GreyFoxx

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justinh:

I don't miss my badge one little bit!

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justinh:

anyway by the time I'd have remembered how to get ops the trouble would've been over :P

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iamlindoro__:

This needs timestamps

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iamlindoro__:

so that I can be depressed about how much time I wasted on that

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: take up theming. much more time-consuming

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justinh:

and even fewer people thank you :)

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, heheh, I think I may take up the challenge once MythUI is all implemented

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FinnTux:

btw, any special plans for 0.22?

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justinh:

these concept sketches might be at a point where they can be turned into something by then

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justinh:

FinnTux: yeah. framegrabber support is going to be dropped. the code will autodetect ATI cards & refuse to run

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PatrickDK:

just as long as you don't turn out like these concept cars I keep seeing

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GreyFoxx:

FinnTux: qt4 port and more mythui

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PatrickDK:

ya, pretty and all, but totally unusable

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GreyFoxx:

and whatever else someone fits in :)

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FinnTux:

hehe, ok

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justinh:

mythtaste, to randomly miss recordings to piss off your SO

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PatrickDK:

greyfoxx, damn, there went by babycam

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justinh:

"it looks like you're addicted to oprah. wouldn't you much rather watch something good instead?"

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justinh:

woo that old 'blue' background has some life left in it

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iamlindoro__:

Like Dr. Phil?

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** iamlindoro__ ducks. **

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justinh:

I hope I get around to the stuff I want to try my hand at (again)

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justinh:

search feature like mythmusic has, but for telly listings!

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justinh:

that's my #1 goal for before 0.22

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Thomas-:

without investigating beforehand, does mythmusic have a normal filetree/directory browser instead of just metadata?

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justinh:

Thomas-: you mean you can't be bothered to look? ;) yes it (kinda) does

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Thomas-:

I've tried from within the plugin... and just browsed thru the settings

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Thomas-:

All good ideas come to me when I'm at the computer... 3 rooms away from the tv :)

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FinnTux:

oh I forgot...there is 3rd major improvement in 0.21 (for me). multichannel audio support. no need for that new amp anymore

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justinh:

ffs just seen the comment accompanying a reply to something I said on a 'talk' page on the wiki... that's it. no more wiki wiki from me. ducking assholes

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hti_pro:

all right, I'm stuck. I am trying to install mythtv with a haupauge wint tv pvr usb 2 card. I have had it working on another computer and the drivers are installed properly. I know this because I can cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg. I can also mplayer /dev/video0. Mythtv finds the card, searches the channels and finds only the channels I get a signal on. When I try to watch tv it says all tuners are busy. When I check status, i

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hti_pro:

are there any modules or something I need to make sure is loaded

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justinh:

hti_pro: probably best to make sure you set the tuner card type to 'mpeg encoder' in mythtv-setup. the default is for something different entirely

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hti_pro:

it is, I even wiped the whole system and tried reinstalling everything. Still the same issue

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hti_pro:

I had the exact same setup on another computer, and there were no issues.

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mcquaid:

hmm, a recording from earlier today seems to play at proper speed, but the pitch is too low.

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killaz:

hey hey mythtv users

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mcquaid:

live tv is currently fine, and recordings previous to that. it's actually two recordings back to back

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killaz:

I have to say that MythTV in combination with PS3 as a client is awesome...

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psymin:

killaz: does the PS3 kick its fan on full blast?

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FinnTux:

is it possible to use PS2 as a frontend?

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FinnTux:

cos my son just bought one :)

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Thomas-:

but there still isn't any decent graphics access on the ps3 right?

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Thomas-:

no hardware acceleration?

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killaz:

psymin: heheheh nope...

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psymin:

sweet :)

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killaz:

psymin: right now the PC (mythtv backend) is making more noise :-)

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hti_pro:

is there any issues with nvidia video cards and mythtv or nvidia and hauppauge

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psymin:

my ps3 is far too noisy when watching movies .. so I just dropped that as an option for a mythfrontend .. ran 35' of HDMI to the office instead :)

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daswork:

I like having the back button for navigating menus, but it is horrible for playing movies since it is easily hit and exits completely out of the movie.

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daswork:

Suggestions?

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psymin:

hti_pro: I'm using nvidia, mythtv, and hauppauge currently

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killaz:

psymin: little by little I will be upgrading the system better gpu, better CPU etc and silencer system

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hti_pro:

I am totally out of ideas

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killaz:

psymin: you ran what?

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XLV:

killaz, how it fares on hd playback? it cant cope i suppose, since there shouldnt be any gpu acceleration

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psymin:

killaz: thirty five feet of HDMI cable through my walls.

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killaz:

psymin: LOL

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psymin:

killaz: works great :P

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psymin:

keeps the loud stuff out of earshot

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killaz:

psymin: probably you spent more on the cable then the PS3 :-)

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psymin:

killaz: $35

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killaz:

;-)

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killaz:

nice

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psymin:

I was surprised it worked

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hti_pro:

I get this when mythfrontend starts in terminal 2008-03–26 17:20:08.384 Using the Qt painter

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hti_pro:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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hti_pro:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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hti_pro:

anyone know what that could be

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killaz:

well... I want to move my PC to the office too.... but TV cable of 20 meters is not a good idea

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psymin:

hti_pro: I assume the backend is running?

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hti_pro:

yes it is a master, on a seperate computer. I can watch tv from the frontend using the tuner in the master backend but not the tuner in the local

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killaz:

XLV: well the things is we still dont have HD content here yet on the TV, maybe 1 or 2 channels

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XLV:

killaz, what about downloaded content.. just to test it

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hti_pro:

I assume the could not connect to socket is related to the qt painter message because there is not even a time stamp on it

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killaz:

XLV: so I would have to test it with HD movies on the system..

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killaz:

yup

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psymin:

killaz: yeah 20 meters is probably not the best

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psymin:

hti_pro: I have no experience using a tuner that isn't connected to the backend

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psymin:

hti_pro: Did I understand correctly?

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hti_pro:

this is a slave backend. nothing in logs. this comes up on the terminal though when watching tv..er trying TV: Attempting to change from None to None

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hti_pro:

but no it isnt connected to the master backend

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killaz:

don't think my system will cope with it. Since the gpu has a max resolution of 1360x768

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killaz:

with the NVIDIA drivers installed

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killaz:

and the CPU is a 700Mhz AMD Oo

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hti_pro:

i am worried that putting this tuner on the master will be too much on sys resources because the tuner on the backend is software encoded

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hti_pro:

and it is also a general use network

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psymin:

dang, now its harder for me to resist buying three 1TB drives .. sigh

[22:28:03]

killaz:

but MythTV is an awesome media server all my TV content sorted by genre/Title/Date/Channel/Group

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killaz:

I have to say the developers are doing a great job

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hti_pro:

well gotta go to school, thanks for the help

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XLV:

killaz, no i mean getting some h264 content into backend's hdd and play it through the ps3

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XLV:

so all backend does it feed the file through network

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killaz:

XLV: oh of course...

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killaz:

yup no need to be watching the content on the PC

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killaz:

XLV: but it seems like.... I have to be transcoding the TV content if I would like it to be "HD"

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hti_pro:

does anyone know if there is a way to set a more verbose logging

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killaz:

becuase since the max resolution of the GPU is 1360 the Live TV content is also 1360x768 max

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killaz:

XLV: but the MythBox will be a Torrent server also downloading HD movies...

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killaz:

now I only have to automate the downloading of contents trough RSS and I'm happy

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XLV:

killaz, eg http://www.digital-digest.com/movies/pirates_ . . . trailer.html

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minthome:

does anyone in here actually use mythphone?

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directhex:

ring ring ring ring ring ring ring

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minthome:

banana phone?

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minthome:

:P

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killaz:

XLV: d/l-ing after a system reboot

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killaz:

for some reason the folder for images is not available when browsing with the uPnP client

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minthome:

any word on netflix streaming to linux recently?

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killaz:

no pictures folder on the PS3

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iamlindoro_:

minthome: Don't think there will be any minimally until there's a silverlight client for linux and Netflix switches to it-- I have doubts about both

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killaz:

psymin: you're using PS as client for your MythBox right>

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killaz:

PS3

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minthome:

iamlindoro_, yeah, i was just reading something about that... but it was dated a few months ago

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, you want silverlight?

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directhex:

http://go-mono.com/moonlight/

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psymin:

killaz: Nope. I have a PS3, and considered using it as a client. But the fan was so loud while viewing movies and playing games that I opted for a 35' run of HDMI cable to the office ..and a new box for mythfrontend

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directhex:

(do not share, completely unofficial test builds)

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: didn't know there was a player on linux yet, thanks-- netflix has talked of adding Mac support via silverlight, so I guess that would open the door if they did

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killaz:

psymin: oh ok... cause I bumped into a strange thing no pictures on the MythTV AV Media Server

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psymin:

.. now I'm wondering if I can have the ps3 in the office too .. ..

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minthome:

directhex, yeah, that's awesome. Looks like, from the last 5 minutes of reading, that netflix is going to try and go with silverlight

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psymin:

BAH!

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minthome:

wait, netflix IS using silverlight, no?

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directhex:

the problem, of course, will be drm

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minthome:

directhex, doesn't look like the secret was kept too good http://digg.com/linux_unix/Moonlight_the_100_ . . . on_for_Linux

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killaz:

XLV: too bad unsupported DATA

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iamlindoro_:

PS3 Demo scene??

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** iamlindoro_ perks up **

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directhex:

badger badger?

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** iamlindoro_ hopes fondly for future crewishness **

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killaz:

iamlindoro_: what do you mean PS3 Demo scene?

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directhex:

given the nature of cell, i wouldldn't be surprised

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iamlindoro_:

http://kotaku.com/372172/watch-the-linger-in- . . . utoplay=true

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directhex:

it's like a wet dream for scenery

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iamlindoro_:

Second second reality FTW!

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iamlindoro_:

er just one second, haha

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sid3windr:

mm, second reality =)

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iamlindoro_:

many a Kermit protocol download used on that bad boy

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daswork:

Odd.

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daswork:

My system crashed, now it won't start the DB backend (tells me to run mythtv-setup again), but mythtv-setup has no 1. for the database.

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Thomas-:

is mysql running?

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iamlindoro_:

I blew all my helping energyearlier

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iamlindoro_:

my patience asplode

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daswork:

Yep.

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daswork:

When I try to start Mythbackend I get "No setting found for this machine's backendserverIP

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daswork:

Ideas?

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daswork:

I think I figured it out.

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Thomas-:

/etc/hosts?

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Thomas-:

changed ip address?

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daswork:

Changed hostname.

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killaz:

There is someting strange going on with my Video Manager it keeps showing the message loading....

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killaz:

Anyone familiar with this problem

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iamlindoro_:

killaz: broken theme

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iamlindoro_:

(ie not .21 compatible)

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killaz:

hmm ok

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killaz:

iamlindoro_: thnx

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iamlindoro_:

np

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