Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, March 24th, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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psm321:

heh, depends on how much stuff you have :)

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psm321:

mine comes out to around 200MB compressed

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psm321:

or around 14MB if you exclude recordedseek

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psm321:

but then i have a lot of recordings

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Yahooadam:

recordedseek?

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Yahooadam:

what does that a

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Yahooadam:

table do#

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psm321:

stores a "seektable" for all your recordings, basically telling what byte position to go to in the file for a particular time

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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psm321:

i bet if you excluded that your compressed db would be a lot smaller

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Yahooadam:

i only have like 4 recordings atm

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psm321:

its not really 100% essential because it can be rebuilt if needed

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psm321:

hmm i'm surprised your db is that big then

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Yahooadam:

sigh, gutsy upgrade seems to have failed

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Yahooadam:

lets go see why

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nordle:

Do these NULL values in dtv_multiplex table look at all weird: http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/nordle/Screenshot.png

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Yahooadam:

hmm gutsy upgrade failed because eth0 became eth2 >_>

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Yahooadam:

and thats apparently because the upgrade program decided to comment my eth0 line in /etc/iftab – good job >_>

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Yahooadam:

why oh why oh why

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Yahooadam:

/etc/iftab is now done in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules

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Yahooadam:

wow, new mythweb is nice :)

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Dagmar:

The real question you should be asking yourself is "what utility, if any at all, does having an /etc/iftab file provide?"

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Yahooadam:

it makes sure eth0 is actually eth0 ?

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Yahooadam:

otherwise /etc/networking/interfaces breaks

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jams:

alright any suggestions on matx or smaller htpc cases?

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riddlebox:

where is the over scan adjustment at?

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mcquaid:

i had an old dapper ubuntu box running .20. i wiped the drive and installed latest ubuntu with .21 and having some issues

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mcquaid:

i notcied the mythtv user doesn't seem like a normal acct. i can't login with the mythtv user via gdm, and if i switch user in a term to mythtv it allows me, but instead of saying mythtv@thissystem it just displays $

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Yahooadam:

check /etc/passwd

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mcquaid:

is this normal? or should i recreate the mythtv user?

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Yahooadam:

mythtv has a different setup to a "normal" user

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antiPosix:

when my frontend is left on, on the screen thata displays the TV-Show and the Title and the little rectangle of the preview that frontend always locks up. Both of them. If I go back to the main menu it does not lock up. Anyone know why? By locked up "connection to the backend has gone away..."

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mcquaid:

Yahooadam, mythtv:x:112:124::/home/mythtv:/bin/sh

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mcquaid:

does that look correct? looks like any other user but users are usually in the 1000s no?

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mcquaid:

well on my dapper box, the mythtv user was like any other user afaik

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mcquaid:

with users the numbers usually match no? like mine is 1000:1000 but myth is 112:124

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Yahooadam:

mcquaid – not sure, on mine after 1000,1000 it has uname,,,:

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mcquaid:

so your myth user has both numbers the same?

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Yahooadam:

no, but my user does

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mcquaid:

ah, no my user doesn't have that. but your mythtv user looks similar to mine?

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Yahooadam:

adam@comp:~$ groups

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Yahooadam:

adam adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev admin mythtv

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Yahooadam:

adam@adamsmcc:~$ sudo su mythtv

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Yahooadam:

$ groups

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Yahooadam:

mythtv dialout cdrom audio video

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mcquaid:

hmm, when i do su mythtv, it accepts the mythtv pass, but if i do pwd it still shows /home/mcquaid

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Yahooadam:

you need to do su mythtv -

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mcquaid:

i guess i was just used to the mythtv user being just like any other user

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mcquaid:

add – ?

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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mcquaid:

just tried that and same thing

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Yahooadam:

odd

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mcquaid:

if you do pwd does it show /home/mythtv ?

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mcquaid:

anyway this is what i get looking in from another frontend on the network http://www.pastebin.ca/954673

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mcquaid:

same thing happens if i try on the backend box

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Yahooadam:

oh sorry

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Yahooadam:

should be su – mythtv

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mcquaid:

yeah that worked

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Yahooadam:

btw

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Yahooadam:

the $ thing

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mcquaid:

well, it seems my mythtv user is fine, so i guess it's not that

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Yahooadam:

is because mythtv uses /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash

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mcquaid:

ah

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Yahooadam:

which i hate :p

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mcquaid:

;)

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Yahooadam:

but sh is more compatible, so its fair enough

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mcquaid:

do you (or anyone else) notice anything weird in that output I just posted. as far as i can tell, it seems to login to the backend, but once i'm in myth it reports there's no backend

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Yahooadam:

i normally run mythtv as my user, so i dont know what changes when you run it as mythtv

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mcquaid:

and i see it time out at the end of the output, but eariler it looked like it found it

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Yahooadam:

Connecting to backend server: 192.168.10.3:6543 (try 1 of 10)

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Yahooadam:

Connection timed out.

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Yahooadam:

probably means mysql is bound to localhost

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mcquaid:

yes but prior to that : Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.10.3

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Yahooadam:

sudo vim /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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mcquaid:

nope changed that to the ip

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Yahooadam:

uh, what ip?

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mcquaid:

unless there's something else i have to change

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mcquaid:

the ip the backend is on

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Yahooadam:

that wont work

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Yahooadam:

i dont think

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Yahooadam:

beacause instead of listening on localhost its not listening on the backend

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Yahooadam:

(basically the same thing)

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Yahooadam:

you would need 192.168.10.1/24 to listen to your network (or just comment out the line, that works best)

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mcquaid:

hmm, i kept my old my.cnf and all i did was put the ip of the backend

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Yahooadam:

also, if you remove localhost from the bind address, it may break mysql unpleasently

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Yahooadam:

but im not sure, im no expert of mysql

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Yahooadam:

also, you need to restart mysql after you change the bind address

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nordle:

I think I've figured why all channels on mplex with channel4 wont work, its using the wrong frequency! No idea how it got it, but manually changed dtv_multiplex frequency and its all working :)

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Yahooadam:

nordle – nice :)

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mcquaid:

hmm, so even though mythtv backend is on 10.3 put 10.1/24 ?

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Yahooadam:

the nova-t is a bit weird

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nordle:

cheap though

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nordle:

ish

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mcquaid:

or i'll try commenting out the line first

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Yahooadam:

mcquaid – try commenting out the line for now, see if that fixes it

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mcquaid:

ok

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Yahooadam:

nordle – its pretty good value im, £50 for dual tuners

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Yahooadam:

i paid £110 ish for my PVR-150

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Yahooadam:

or something like that

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Yahooadam:

i want one like they have at university, takes the whole MUX in :p

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mcquaid:

damnit, i'm having issues with trackerd. there was 3 gigs free on this box and now it's 0

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mcquaid:

anyone know where tracker stores it's index?

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Yahooadam:

4 tuners and they can watch every freeview channel, simultaneously

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mcquaid:

couldn't restart mysql cause of the diskfull,

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Yahooadam:

tracker?

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mcquaid:

it's some meta search thing like beagle

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mcquaid:

comes with ubuntu

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mcquaid:

going to remove it now, but just wanted to quickly delte the index

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

it may be using the linux FS index

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Yahooadam:

the one made by updatedb

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Yahooadam:

id point the finger at apt using all your disk space :p;

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Yahooadam:

sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoclean

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Yahooadam:

updatedb – update the slocate database

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mcquaid:

ok it wasn't trackerd. it's myth it's got gigs of logs since just yesterday

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Yahooadam:

ouch

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mcquaid:

ok got my space back, i'll deal with logging later

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Yahooadam:

arg whats wrong with nfs now >_>

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mcquaid:

ok commented it out. restarted backend and mysql but same thing

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Yahooadam:

can you ping the backend?

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mcquaid:

yep pings fine

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mcquaid:

trying .1/24 now

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Yahooadam:

that wont help, if you commend the bind addr and it still wont work then that isnt gonna help

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mcquaid:

yea .1/24 won't even restart mysql

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mcquaid:

it hangs

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Yahooadam:

maybe its .0/24, not sure

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Yahooadam:

it should accept a range like that

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mcquaid:

nope .0/24 fails to start as well

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nordle:

Should mythbackend be run as root or mythtv user account?

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mcquaid:

doesn't it seem unusual in that log i posted that it looks like it connects at first then it times out?

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Yahooadam:

nordle the init.d script deals with that i think

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nordle:

dont have init.d

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Yahooadam:

nordle – on my PC its run as mythtv

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nordle:

Yahooadam: ok, thanks.

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mcquaid:

i want to test something, how do i change the mythtv pass for the mythconverg db?

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Yahooadam:

mcquaid – phpmyadmin is easiest

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Yahooadam:

wtf is wrong with mythtv-themes >_>

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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Yahooadam:

mythtv keeps segfaulting, and gutsys repositorys are all over the place, and mythbuntu's repositrys dont help

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PatrickDK:

heh?

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PatrickDK:

I haven't had an issue at all

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PatrickDK:

but then I haven't turned on the backports repo

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Yahooadam:

yeah, im trying to get 0.21

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Yahooadam:

dunno whats up with mythtv-themes

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Yahooadam:

i only have GANT and BLUE, even with it installed

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Yahooadam:

i think something is horribly broken

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PatrickDK:

dunno, I was going wait a month or so before upgrade to 0.21 here

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Yahooadam:

ugh, and i cant even do it manually because you cant use wget on the website, oh joy

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Yahooadam:

oh

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Yahooadam:

mythtv-themes doesnt work that way any more

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Yahooadam:

theres an individual package for each theme

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Yahooadam:

"Enable Xbox hardware" – which xbox :o

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jedix:

the only one that can run linxu?

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PatrickDK:

hmm, linxu?

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Yahooadam:

can you still not run linux on the 360?

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jedix:

I dunno

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jedix:

yeah linxu is awesome

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Yahooadam:

umm, is there a way to turn off this horrible fade effect when moving through menus?

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PatrickDK:

fade effect?

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GreyFoxx:

Switch to the QT painter instead of the OpenGL Painter

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Yahooadam:

that doesnt change anything GreyFoxx ....

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Yahooadam:

I just changed to Qt, with the "Default" style, and its still doin it

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jedix:

apparently you can run linux on the 360 now

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GreyFoxx:

Yashoo: You gonna restart the frontend for it to be effective

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Yahooadam:

it did (as this is in the appearence menu it happens automatically)

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

That was just menus/theme stuff

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GreyFoxx:

you have to stop the frontend software and start it again

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Yahooadam:

ah, fair enough

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Yahooadam:

what theme would you reccomend? (Gant is horrible, i dont like blue, minimalist has horizonal menus wich im not fond of)

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GreyFoxx:

I use mythcenter-wide and metalurgy on another

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GreyFoxx:

my msntv2's use ilius or some such

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Yahooadam:

shame project greyhem doesnt work :(

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Yahooadam:

hmm, i dont have metalurgy

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GreyFoxx:

Its not in the repository

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GreyFoxx:

seperate download

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Yahooadam:

where from?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't remember

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PatrickDK:

google :)

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GreyFoxx:

search for themes in the wiki

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PatrickDK:

or the wiki

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GreyFoxx:

it's linked there

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Yahooadam:

ah kk

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Yahooadam:

looks quite nice actually

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

mythtv is working alot better now that i got rid of libmyth-0.20

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PatrickDK:

I just revived two computers I am going use for frontends

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JoeyJoeJo:

what is the best antenna to get to recieve these channels? http://www.flickr.com/photos/13987616@N08/2356787790/sizes/o/

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PatrickDK:

they had 20+ bad capacitors in them

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Yahooadam:

GreyFoxx – cheers for your help, definetly making 0.21 more palatable :p

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PatrickDK:

violet pointed at 88 degrees will get you most of those stations

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PatrickDK:

nothing else to do except have multible antennas to get them all

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JoeyJoeJo:

patrickdk: how can I tell if they are HDTV channels? those are the ones I'm really concerned about

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PatrickDK:

well, I know most of them are

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PatrickDK:

from the .1

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JoeyJoeJo:

right, I forgot about that

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PatrickDK:

how many are active currently? or just planned? I dunno

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Yahooadam:

metallurgy is pretty nice :) maybe my new favorite :) (although shame its widescreen only)

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm guessing an indoor antenna won't cut it, rigt?

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JoeyJoeJo:

right

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PatrickDK:

not at all

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PatrickDK:

only the yellow, maybe light green area

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JoeyJoeJo:

dang, that sucks

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Yahooadam:

right, 1 frontend down ..... like 3 to go

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PatrickDK:

so one broken? 3 left running? :)

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sshirley:

Hi everyone. I'm having some issues with watching LiveTV. I want to show some mythbackend output but I don't want to flood the channel. :-) How is it again that I turn long string of text into a URL?

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Yahooadam:

PatrickDK – lol

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Yahooadam:

ok, interesting, the hardy packages on my server seem to be gone and now gutsy'd :p

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JoeyJoeJo:

sshirley: pastebin.ca

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sshirley:

Thanks, JoeyJoeJo

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sshirley:

http://pastebin.ca/954768

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Yahooadam:

Permission denied

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sshirley:

I changed the directory that the recordings go to and now I can't watch live tv.

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Yahooadam:

yep

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Yahooadam:

does '/home/mythtv/recordings exist?

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sshirley:

What permissions should that directory be?

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sshirley:

Yes, it does

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Yahooadam:

cd /home/mythtv/recordings

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Yahooadam:

ls -la

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Yahooadam:

pastebin the output

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Yahooadam:

(or the first 10 lines)

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sshirley:

drwxrwsr-x 2 haldaemon polkituser 6 2008-03–23 01:53 recordings

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sshirley:

There is nothing in that directory. I changed all the setting before I even watched live TV

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nordle:

AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 5.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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Yahooadam:

well

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sshirley:

However.....I think I did while it was still at /var/mythtv/xxxxxxx

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Yahooadam:

mythbackend runs as mythtv, and those permissions arent acceptable

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Yahooadam:

chmod 777 recordings

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nordle:

Log file filling up at about 100k/sec

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nordle:

cpu 99%

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Yahooadam:

sshirley although the /home/mythtv directory should all be mythtv and mythtv

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Yahooadam:

so you can do chown mythtv.mythtv /home/mythtv -Rf

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Yahooadam:

either way, that should work

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sshirley:

That's what I thought. What the hell is haldaemon and polkituser

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Yahooadam:

hal is the "Hardware Abstraction Layer"

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Yahooadam:

not sure what polkituser is

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sshirley:

The log files are the same owners

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Yahooadam:

hal and polkit?

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sshirley:

I know what hal is, but I have never seen it as a group or user before

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iamlindoro_:

Policy Kit

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sshirley:

Yahooadam: yes

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iamlindoro_:

New in Hardy if you're using that

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sshirley:

Oooops, nevermind

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sshirley:

The mythbackend.log is mythtv.mythtv and the mythfrontend.log is sshirley.mythtv

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Yahooadam:

thats fine

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sshirley:

Yes, I am using Mythbuntu 8.04 Beta.

[02:50:39]

sshirley:

Ok.....lemme check the live tv thing. brb.

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Yahooadam:

so just chown/chmod the /home/mythtv/recordings directory right, and you should be away

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sshirley:

You guys rock!!!!!

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sshirley:

Works great

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Yahooadam:

error logs are often quite explanatory :p

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sshirley:

:-)

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm about to get FiOS and I see on the mythtv wiki that FiOS has some unencrypted QAM channels availible. To get them do I need to subscribe to their HDTV package, or just to any of their packages? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_ . . . Verizon_FIOS

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Yahooadam:

JoeyJoeJo – you will need some sort of box, and that box needs to be able to pick up those channels, depends on your provider i think

[03:10:41]

JoeyJoeJo:

yahoodam: would an hdhomerun or pcHDTV work?

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Yahooadam:

i think you need to ask an american :p

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, will do.. thanks for your help

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Yahooadam:

I'm sure someone will answer in a while

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Yahooadam:

i suspect you need to subscribe to a package that gives you access to the Unencrypted QAM channels

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iamlindoro:

Yes, both of those capture devices will work, and the FCC mandates that they leave network and local channels unencrypted... everything else is likely to be encrypted, however.

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nordle:

mmmmm mythtv really has improved between 0.20 and 0.21, its now giving free porn, which is nice.

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Yahooadam:

im not sure mythtv's aim is to record porn, but if it pleases u :p

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cesman:

I think it is safe to say, part of MythTV's aim is to record what _you_want it to record

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nordle:

no, I think its something unique to UK, someone somewhere has messed up. The channel is off limits unless you pay a fee. And this is true, open the channel and you get 3 seconds of image and then the screen gets a blocking advert. But when you switch to PIP, you see the original unpaid for screen.

[03:24:13]

nordle:

I found it totally by mistake as I was shuffling through all me new channels, I've got 30 new ones since I last installed myth.

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

thats weird

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Yahooadam:

i would find it hard to record porn, mainly because its hard to get listings for those channels ;)

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Yahooadam:

then again, you would probably just record some arbitrary time on a channel

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Yahooadam:

also, theres porn on DVB-T now nordle? :o

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wagner:

anyone currently active that knows a bit about mythweb?

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Yahooadam:

wagner – as the bot says "Dont ask to ask, just ask" (or something along those lines)

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wagner:

im not asking if i can ask a question... im asking if anyone is active to answer it

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nordle:

Yahooadam: This is UK porn, its only meant for 12yr old schoolboys, i just thought it was funny that it could be "got round" so easily.

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Egghead3:

after upgrade to .21, i get an 'audio stream changed' error in my mythfrontend log, and ideas fixes?

[03:29:14]

wagner:

anyway, my time zone offset is being applied twice in mythweb

[03:29:16]

Yahooadam:

yes, so your asking if someone is around to answer a question you may ask

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Yahooadam:

ie, your basically asking if you can ask a question

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wagner:

the client itself looks fine, and the times in the database are using localtime

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bunder:

can i run user jobs from the command line? :)

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Egghead3:

lol

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wagner:

but mythweb is reporting everthing is some 4hrs earlier than it is

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wagner:

i saw some post in a mailing list with the same problem, but there was no reply

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wagner:

ive flushed the programming and redownloaded from scratch

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wagner:

ive tried mythweb with and without the proper /etc/localtime with no difference

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wagner:

so it seems the offset is not based off the system timezone setting

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Yahooadam:

so times are correct in the database?

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wagner:

ive looked through mythconverg.settings, but there doesnt seem to be any settings in there to affect it

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Yahooadam:

and if you record a program, its recorded at the right time?

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wagner:

the times in the database are at localtime, not UTC, but the frontends see it properly, so I assume that is how it should be

[03:33:49]

wagner:

i havent tried recording anything yet, i just noticed this about half an hour ago

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Yahooadam:

there is a "TimeOffset" field in the database (mythweb/settings/mythtv)

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wagner:

my mythweb is hosted on a machine not running a frontend/backend

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Yahooadam:

ah

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wagner:

the only fields in settings for that machine have to do with mythvideo

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wagner:

there are only 23 listed, and all but five of those fields are blank

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gizmobay:

djc, you haven't supplied the temp paths in the setup

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wagner:

this is the only entry for "TimeOffset" in the database... '| TimeOffset | Auto | NULL |'

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wagner:

can I manually set one to '0' for that machine?

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wagner:

or would it be -4?

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Yahooadam:

have a go?

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gizmobay:

oops

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achew22:

Does anyone know what you have to append to the mythbuntu repository in sources.list to get it to .21

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bunder:

ok, i've got a better question... what's the best way to move recorded movies to my mythvideo directory... mv %DIR%/%FILE% /mnt/store/movies/%TITLE%.nuv ?

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wagner:

the frontend schedule is correct, recording something thats on now is actually what the guide says it is

[03:48:21]

wagner:

setting TimeOffset for mythweb has no effect

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wagner:

its still 4 hours ahead

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wagner:

at '0','-4',and '+4', no difference

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wagner:

unless the 'Auto' for Null is overriding it

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wagner:

here is the thread i mentioned earlier... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/17779

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wagner:

heres something about having to set the timezone in php separately

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Yahooadam:

achew22 – if your on gutsy/hardy, its in the backports

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sshirley:

By default, which .lirc file does the system look at, the mythtv user or me (sshirley)? There are files in both directories? The backend is run by mythtv and the frontend is run by sshirley.

[04:03:36]

sshirley:

My real question is, which should I be editing?

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iamlindoro_:

whomever runs the frontend's lircrc

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wagner:

setting PHP to "Etc/Greenwich" fixed my problem, if you can really call that a fix

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wagner:

does that mean that the database should be storing times in GMT, and for some reason the frontend/backend got flipped to local times?

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bunder:

iirc it stores them in unix (epoch) time

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sshirley:

Good. So I can make my changes in ~/ and then link it to /home/mythtv/ if I have to

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bunder:

wagner: sorry, i stand corrected

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iamlindoro_:

sshirley: unless you run the frontend as user mythtv, there is no reason to do so

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sshirley:

No, I don't. Ok, thanks!

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wagner:

well my sql server was improperly set at UTC instead of EDT, but fixing that made no difference

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bunder:

wagner: what happens if you comment out date.timezone from php.ini

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wagner:

if i comment that out, it reverts back to "America/New_York"

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wagner:

thats the correct setting, but im not entirely certain where it is set

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bunder:

/etc/localtime

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bunder:

typically.

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wagner:

but my schedule data has shows as 4 hours before they should be

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bunder:

in the frontend, mythweb or still both

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wagner:

i read that php does not pull its data from /etc/localtime and had to be set manually, i guess that has changed

[04:12:20]

wagner:

the frontend works just fine

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wagner:

only mythweb has issues

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wagner:

the backend records on schedule just fine as well

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sshirley:

BTW, I am hunting for an HDTV. Question 1) Will connecting my DVI port on my computer to the HMDI port on the TV plus the sound card to the component audio input in the tv be enough? Question 2) I am moving to Germany in a year. Do I spend little money on a decent tv here and then get a better one when I get there, or can I spend the money on a really good one here and take it with me (taking into consideration the voltage plus ntsc t

[04:13:10]

doje:

anyone around using firewire for stb connections ?

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doje:

sshirley: I'm using a DVI to HDMI converter – works great

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jamesd:

sshirley, buy when you get there.... shipping costs a fortune, and tvs are always getting cheaper and usually better

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wagner:

sshirley, you cannot connect a sound card to 'component'

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wagner:

also, it depends on whether your TV will allows you to define the video and audio inputs independantly

[04:14:42]

wagner:

you may be able to grab hdmi video and coax audio, you may not

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doje:

sshirley: my sound is SP/DIF optical out to a stereo recvr

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sshirley:

I'm not sure of that terminology....I gues I mean the RCA inputs

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sshirley:

I have no receiver

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doje:

sshirley: yeah, you can get RCA to 1/8 inch mini for sound

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sshirley:

So 1/8" from my computer to RCA to the TV for sound. Little degradation?

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doje:

sshirley: does your tv have SP/DIF ?

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doje:

most don't I think

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wagner:

that should work, but check the manual for the TV to make sure it can pull audio from a source other than the hdmi port

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sshirley:

The few that I am looking at do not

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doje:

actually, my TV is DVI – going through a HDMI switch box – I forgot that

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doje:

with converters on both ends; one for the computer

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sshirley:

I looked at those switch boxes....$299+ :-)

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doje:

mine was not that bad

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doje:

150 ish

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wagner:

newer cards have hdmi output, and have passthru inputs from your soundcard

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bunder:

wagner: i can't see anything else that would throw off mythweb... maybe try reinstalling php and mythweb?

[04:18:35]

bunder:

mine "just works"

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doje:

sshirley: IO Gear

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doje:

sshirley: got it at Fry's

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wagner:

bunder: mine used to 'just work', i recently installed my web server

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wagner:

freebsd 6.2 to freebsd 7.0

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bunder:

odd.

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wagner:

the webserver is actually just a VM inside my file server, so i can rebuild it fairly painlessly

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bunder:

is the vm's clock way off?

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sshirley:

Yeah.....with Myth 0.21....how do I log into MythWeb (where I can do scheduling, etc. It's not available at the normal IP

[04:20:19]

wagner:

the VMs clock runs off the local system clock, which uses NTP

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wagner:

the timezone files are correct for both

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bunder:

hm, strange

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bunder:

sshirley: did you configure it?

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xris:

sshirley: did you install/configure mythweb?

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wagner:

mythtv doesnt have a built in webserver, you have to install apache

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xris:

wagner: not completely true... but mythweb doesn't use the built-in webserver to display its stuff

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sshirley:

RIght. I'm using mythbuntu which in 0.20 had it automatically installed

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sshirley:

xris: Not explicitly

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wagner:

xris: ok, it has a tiny little internal server to broadcast statistics

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xris:

wagner: the entire upnp server runs http... way more than just the status port.

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xris:

sshirley: is apache running?

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wagner:

ah, i dont really know the inner workings of DNLA, i thought it was just the backend status

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xris:

wagner: the xml api for mythtv, which is shared with a bunch of the upnp stuff, is http. mythweb uses some of these methods,as do the perl bindings.

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xris:

there's talk of doing away with the backend protocol completely and just using the xml stuff... of course, none of this helps sshirley ....

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sshirley:

xris: yes, apache is running

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xris:

sshirley: I don't know how mythbuntu's package upgrade stuff works.... you might want to try looking through the INSTALL and README files in mythweb to make sure that things are set up properly on yoursystem.

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Yahooadam:

ugh, i really really hate lirc

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Yahooadam:

so much for the new gutsy lirc

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wagner:

nevermind, changing the timezone in php doesnt fix mythweb, because not mythweb thinks its 4:48AM

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myth_noob:

Does anyone know how to enable the .21 feisty backport from mythbunto?

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sshirley:

Can anyone tell me how to load a subtitle file (.srt) with the new internal player (0.21)? Or even choose between subtitles (one is english and the other is german)?

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iamlindoro:

myth_noob: Google "enable feisty backports," first result

[05:13:22]

iamlindoro:

sshirley: just have the .srt present with the same name as the video file, ie "my Movie.srt", can be loaded from the menu, "M" while playing

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iamlindoro:

also, the Internal player isn't anything new ;)

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sshirley:

What if I have X.mpg and x1.srt and x2.srt. By pressing M will there be a menu from which I can choose subtitle files?

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iamlindoro:

Doubtful, I would be shocked if there was support for more than one .srt

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iamlindoro:

and that one will need to be X.srt

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iamlindoro:

with no extra appendages

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sshirley:

That sucks

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sshirley:

:-)

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myth_noob:

iamlindoro I now have uncommented that line. Is myth .21 in the feisty software repository isn't that the last version? I would have though I would need to do something strange to the line about mythbunto.org

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iamlindoro:

myth_noob: It's "Mythbuntu" with a U, btw

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myth_noob:

yes, I just typoed it

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iamlindoro:

twice

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myth_noob:

I'm on a new keyboard. sorry

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iamlindoro:

.21 is the newest myth version, yes.

[05:18:41]

iamlindoro:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will update your package lists and upgrade any eligible packages.

[05:18:43]

Yahooadam:

sigh, i cant get lirc to work >_>

[05:19:10]

Yahooadam:

the irblaster blinks (last time i looked) but the stb isnt accepting it

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myth_noob:

iamlindoro http://pastebin.ca/954908 is my sources.list file

[05:20:32]

iamlindoro:

myth_noob: Why are you enabling feisty backports when you are running gutsy?

[05:20:56]

myth_noob:

you told me to google enable feisty backports

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iamlindoro:

No, *you* asked how to enable feisty backports.

[05:21:17]

iamlindoro:

"myth_noob: Does anyone know how to enable the .21 feisty backport from mythbunto?"

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Yahooadam:

fyi iamlindoro, feisty doesnt have 0.21 (just for future reference)

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myth_noob:

okay then I'm really confused

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iamlindoro:

Yahooadam: Why are you telling me? I never said it did.

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Yahooadam:

myth_noob – change the word feisty to gutsy

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myth_noob:

is this because I distupgraded to gusty?

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Yahooadam:

iamlindoro – well if somone asks in the future and the words "fiesty" and "0.21" come up, you can tell them it doesnt exist

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iamlindoro:

Yahooadam: Not my problem

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Yahooadam:

myth_noob – possibly

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myth_noob:

I was thinking that the weeklybuids line at the bottom would take me to .21 automatically am I not doing something right in there?

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iamlindoro:

Weekly build are not releases

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iamlindoro:

er builds

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myth_noob:

so do I need to make the url mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu...

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iamlindoro:

They're dev builds-- not to mention the fact taht if you go to the next weekly build you will become extremely sad

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Yahooadam:

myth_noob – gutsy has 0.21 in the backports, you dont need mythbuntu

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myth_noob:

so what url do I need to make it do stable?

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myth_noob:

Yahooadam: what backport do I enable?

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iamlindoro:

myth_noob: Mythbuntu users should be seeking help in #ubuntu-mythtv

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Yahooadam:

deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse

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Yahooadam:

deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse

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myth_noob:

I was just trying ot use their repositorys

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Yahooadam:

atm you have "feisty-backports" – change that to "gutsy-backports" – as i said

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myth_noob:

then I'm confused http://pastebin.ca/954911 it should be library api version 0.21.dateofrelease then right?

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Yahooadam:

myth_noob – pastebin what your /etc/apt/sources.list looks like currently

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myth_noob:

http://pastebin.ca/954915

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Yahooadam:

ok

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Yahooadam:

delete the last line

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Yahooadam:

and delete the #'s from the front of the other 2 gutsy-backport lines

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myth_noob:

okay

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Yahooadam:

then write teh file

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Yahooadam:

then do

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Yahooadam:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

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myth_noob:

404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.31 80]

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myth_noob:

when it gets to the gusty backports

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myth_noob:

Yahooadam: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gus . . . /Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.45 80]

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Yahooadam:

because you typed "gusty" instead of "gutsy"

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Yahooadam:

its not a windy distribution :p

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myth_noob:

darn...

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myth_noob:

windy it is not

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myth_noob:

and that enabled me to get all kinds of updates

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myth_noob:

thank you very much

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Yahooadam:

now if you could kick the lirc dev's for me ....

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myth_noob:

\kick lirc_dev

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myth_noob:

darn I guess I don't have server admin priveliges

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Yahooadam:

lol

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myth_noob:

I miss being the super admin on an irc network....

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** myth_noob sobs in the corner **

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Yahooadam:

i miss lirc working

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myth_noob:

whats not working for you?

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Yahooadam:

the bit where it changes the channel :p

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myth_noob:

is it picking up the signal

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Yahooadam:

i believe so

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Yahooadam:

i too dist-upgraded to gutsy

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Yahooadam:

now lirc doesnt work >_>

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myth_noob:

what remote do you use?

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Yahooadam:

its a serial blaster, not the reciever

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myth_noob:

oh

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myth_noob:

point the serial blaster at the reciever and use it to debug

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Yahooadam:

sigh, its almost 6am

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myth_noob:

do it tomorrow

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Yahooadam:

mm

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Yahooadam:

can i easilly disable a tuner in mythtv ...

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myth_noob:

yeah

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myth_noob:

wait

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myth_noob:

thats recording schedules

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myth_noob:

so long as you keep your source you should be able to just delete it

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myth_noob:

backup first

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myth_noob:

mysqldump mythconverg > IDontWantToUseThis.backup.sql

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Yahooadam:

mm, fair enough :p

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Yahooadam:

right, gnite, enjoy :)

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Arfdee:

anyone using the flv player in mythweb?

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qcjn:

hi, i'm a newbie that comes from window, and i'm using ubuntu 7.10, so i wonder if anyone could guide me for a basic installation of mythtv. I wan't to listen to analog and record. I have a hautppauge pvr 150

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Arfdee:

you need ivtv

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Arfdee:

for the pvr 150

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qcjn:

i've installed mythtv from apt-get install but ithink, it,s not going great

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qcjn:

were do i get that

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Arfdee:

be sure you get the ivtv module

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qcjn:

i,ve got 3 ivtv in synaptic

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qcjn:

source , utils, and libvideo-ivtv-perl....Must i install the 3

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qcjn:

Arfdee: ?

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Arfdee:

the kernel module for sure

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Arfdee:

i think if you install the utils the module will come by dependency

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Arfdee:

you need the ivtv module for your card to be recognized

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Arfdee:

and used

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Arfdee:

even apart from mythtv

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qcjn:

i would thend to install the 3

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qcjn:

waht you think

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jhulst:

qcjn: A quick google search would have turned this up, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . nd_Frontend, why don't you try following it

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qcjn:

thanks

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sshirley:

anyone here running ubuntu (or another debian)?

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sshirley:

how do i run an application (like the MythFlix scripts) as user mythtv?

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jhulst:

sshirley: ` su -c mythtv` to login as mythtv and then run it,

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sshirley:

jhulst: ok, apparently I don't have the mythtv password :-(

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jhulst:

sshirley: I have no idea how ubuntu sets all that up, if you need to, you can always change the password as root, but that will most likely break many other things

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sshirley:

righto :-(

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jhulst:

If you su to root first, then su – mythtv it won't ask for the mythtv password

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sshirley:

ok....I did 'sudo su – mythtv'. Now I have a $ prompt. That should be it, right?

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Koffa:

'whoami' tells you who you are :)

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sshirley:

awesome

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sshirley:

I executed those scripts as mythtv but mythflix still doesn't work

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sshirley:

:-(

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jhulst:

sshirley: If you're looking for help, you're going to need to be more specific than it that it doesn't work :)

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sshirley:

lol

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sshirley:

Well, I mean that I tried putting in my username and password via those scripts. But when I go into MythFlix, my queue doesn't come up

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sshirley:

Wiat....I think I found it

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wagner_:

someone just regged my name out from under me

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wagner_:

two hours after i log on, i get a message saying the name is owned, and them im kicked

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Dagmar:

whois wagner

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Dagmar:

Meh not like I care anyway

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wagner_:

unless they were regged on a different server that merged back in after the split

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Dagmar:

Or unless it was you

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wagner_:

well the first time i logged in, there was no nickserv warning

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wagner_:

after the netsplit, i got warned, and then kicked

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wagner:

i wonder if i just never saw the warning last time

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wagner:

and the kick was really just a random disconnect

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Dagmar:

It was rather obviously a nick collision

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wagner:

i figured the owner requested the kick, and took the name

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wagner:

well whatever my problem was before, reinstalling mythweb fixed it

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o_sam_o:

hi, ive been trying to set up my myth box for a couple of weeks now and its almost there, main problem now is the internal player wont work for me. I can see this in the logs "VideoOutputXv Error: Could not find suitable XVideo surface.". Have a bit of a google and saw talk about the xconfig file. Anyone have any advice?

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wagner:

what is your video card?

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o_sam_o:

its an ati build onto the motherboard GA-MA69GM-S2H

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o_sam_o:

but im currently using the vesa driver

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wagner:

afaik, the vesa drivers have no support for XVideo

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o_sam_o:

ok i have tried a few configs when i used the ati driver i remember having a similar problem but i could give it another go. Seemed like it broke vnc so i stopped using it

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wagner:

your X config and drivers should have absolutely no effect on vnc

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wagner:

vnc just hooks into the x libraries, and then runs completely independantly

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o_sam_o:

true but as soon as i install the driver vnc complains about no password being set, then when i try to run the vnc config i get a bad length error, think my screen res maybe to big, 1080p

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wagner:

unless youre using realvnc attached to your current X-server

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o_sam_o:

yeah think im using the realvnc, what ever came with mythbuntu

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wagner:

personally, ive always thought realvnc was crap, but its the only one that allows remote access to an active x-server

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wagner:

the ati fglrx drivers should support that board (X1250)

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o_sam_o:

ok cheers, ill try the ati driver again

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wagner:

i see boards with people saying they used it

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Dagmar:

Absolutely set a password on VNC

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wagner:

but none giving their xorg.conf

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o_sam_o:

wont work without a password

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o_sam_o:

at least not for me

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wagner:

someone said XV is not yet working for 64-bit

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wagner:

o_sam_o: check out this page, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/280878

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o_sam_o:

ah

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wagner:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?=850408

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wagner:

check out near the bottom, by tahutchinson

[08:29:27]

wagner:

im going to bed...

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o_sam_o:

last link didnt work

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o_sam_o:

do you think i should install the ati driver?

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wagner:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=850408

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wagner:

i need to figure out why the clipboard isnt passing across vnc

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wagner:

typing them out by hand sucks

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o_sam_o:

ati driver didnt help

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elliot42:

hi there, I've got a little problem with the video playback on my myth setup. In livetv I get jagged edges at regular intervals

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elliot42:

it's not motion tearing, it's on slow or static frames as well and is particularly noticable on hard edges such as those in cartoons

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elliot42:

does anyone know what this could be:

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elliot42:

?

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elliot42:

I'm using mpeg4 output with deinterlacing enabled (I get motion tearing without)

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elliot42:

it seems that every x many pixels (it's about every cm on screen) is shifted horizontally slightly

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elliot42:

anyone here even? =p

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chopp:

would here be an appropriate place for help with a hauppauge hvr-1600?

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Dagmar:

That's the ATSC PCI card, isn't it?

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Dagmar:

The first thing you should've done was to check the wiki

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600

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Dagmar:

That card don't work so well

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Dagmar:

note the "Options for Linux Drivers" section

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chopp:

I've tried all that Dagmar. http://www.pastebin.ca/955044

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Dagmar:

What?

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Dagmar:

Your card is working and you can't make it stop?

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Dagmar:

What part of "Well for starters, the Linux drivers are fairly incomplete for this card yet." is confusing you?

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Dagmar:

The card is _not expected to work_

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chopp:

at one point, I had the card at least recognized, and trying to load the firmware. Then I had other hardware problems, and had to swap computers.

[11:53:02]

chopp:

I've seen claims of the card working for other people.

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Dagmar:

Then ask those people what they were using.

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Dagmar:

Until _someone actually writes a working driver_ for that card, it's not going to work.

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Dagmar:

Getting the card to be recognized isn't going to be a problem

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Dagmar:

Unless it's been hit with a cattle prod, all PCI devices will identify themselves just fine.

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Dagmar:

Without _drivers that work_ tho', that's useless information for the system to have..

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chopp:

so this is un true? "What is working is basic MPEG capturing, raw YUV capture and raw PCM capture. Also pretty much all of the controls that were also in ivtv are working with cx18."

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Dagmar:

Email that person and ask them how they did it

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Dagmar:

All the _other_ pages about the thing say the driver is _not_ yet complete\

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chopp:

that is right off of the hauppauge hvr-1600 support page.

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chopp:

There is still a lot of work to be done, in particular there is nosupport for the ATSC stream.

[12:04:25]

chopp:

this is a decent card once the driver is complete no? Should I just pick up say another hauppauge card, that IS supported.

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Dagmar:

That would be the general idea, yes.

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chopp:

Is there a card you would recommend?

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Dagmar:

I'm not using ATSC, so I've no idea.

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chopp:

Seems like the hauppauge PVR-500 is well supported.

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Dagmar:

That card I have. It doesn't do digital, but otherwise works flawlessly.

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chopp:

ok, thanks for the help Dagmar. I should be able to find one cheap enough.

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Dagmar:

Usually they cost about the same as two PVR-150 cards, which kinda makes sense since it's two sets of PVR-150 circuitry behind an integrrated PCI bridge.

[12:15:05]

Dagmar:

Note: If you have an ASUS A7V board or one of it's sisters (A7VMX, etc) the PVR-500 *MAY NOT WORK*

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chopp:

interesting

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Dagmar:

That's about the only caveat, and that's a problem with that line of ASUS boards in general.

[12:15:38]

Dagmar:

They only expect one PCI bridge, and the one they expect is the one the disk controller is on

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Dagmar:

So basically, they'll complete POST, and then show the "usual" hardware inventory screen, and after that where it would *normally* start booting the disk, *the machine hard locks*

[12:16:42]

Dagmar:

...but with every other board around they're fine. ASUS just effed up on that line

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chopp:

probably won't be there last.

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Golffies:

Hi,

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Golffies:

Is the Technotrend Budget T-3000 well supported ? It has dual analog/digital (DVB) tuner. No comment available on that model, on <http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards>

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hnitsuj:

never again will I agree to fix a mobile phone. just put a new display in my wife's nokia 6500. the trauma!

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Dagmar:

hnitsuj: Didn't have the right screwdrivers?

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hnitsuj:

Dagmar: oh I did, but they don't use many screws these days

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Dagmar:

Yeah, the Razr v3m is a right bitch to replace the keypad on without practically crumpling it

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hnitsuj:

told her to just pay up for the insurance next time, or just to avoid buying a lamely fragile phone in future

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Dagmar:

that's why I kind of avoid candybar phones

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hnitsuj:

it's not entirely unreasonable to expect a phone to survive being dropped from waist height damnit

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Dagmar:

Mine usually does pretty well.

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hnitsuj:

heh so does mine

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Dagmar:

Perhaps it's time to get her one of those safety helmets, er for cellphones

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Dagmar:

The little gelatinous overwraps

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hnitsuj:

but these new ones where the glass of the LCD is exposed to the real world... oof

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hnitsuj:

and aluminium casing? pfft

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hnitsuj:

far too rigid for a handheld device

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Dagmar:

Nah, not the hardcases

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Dagmar:

I was thinking specifically of the jelly ones

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hnitsuj:

yeah she's got one now

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Dagmar:

The absorb a lot of the initial shock and make the things less prone to skittering across the floor once they hit

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orko:

hi. when i click on music in the frontend menu the music plugin does not start. is there any chance to see why it does not start

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orko:

some log file or so?

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anykey_:

Where can the channel changer script be configured in 0.21?

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mkargar:

hello

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mkargar:

how to stop automatic recordinig in the mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

What do you mean?

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GreyFoxx:

As is LiveTV ?

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mkargar:

I using DVB-S!since of selected channel on the mythtv,it recording automatically!

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GreyFoxx:

Myth Recordings LiveTV, otherwise you can't pause or rewind it

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GreyFoxx:

But when you exit livetv that stops

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GreyFoxx:

and those recordings will be auto expired after 24 hours or if space is needed for a regular recording

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keith4_:

anything critical that I should be aware of before upgrading to 0.21?

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GreyFoxx:

just be sure to backup your database first

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GreyFoxx:

the upgrade itself should do it, but I'm paranoid

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keith4_:

sage advice

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keith4_:

me too, since I spent hours and hours and hours mapping digital channels to analog xmltv IDs

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mkargar:

not way for sloving this problem?!my space is low and mythtv recording...!!:(

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GreyFoxx:

mkargar: Myth is a PVR, not just a TV watching application

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keith4_:

mkargar: it only records if you're watching TV, or if you set it to record

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iamlindoro__:

mkargar, what GreyFoxx is telling you is MythTV will remove the files when it starts to run low on space

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GreyFoxx:

It records LiveTV in order for you to pause and rewind it

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GreyFoxx:

Myth will auto delete the files

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keith4_:

GreyFoxx: any recommendation on the easiest way to backup the database? I was thinking phpmyadmin dump to sql

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anykey_:

keith4_: mysqldump

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GreyFoxx:

keith4_: mysqldump

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GreyFoxx:

but I've never used phpmyadmin to attempt it, so that might be fine too

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keith4_:

... I *think* phpmyadmin uses mysqldump, but i'll check

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Dagmar:

Well, it wouldnl't be safe to just cp the files without shutting down the daemon first, so I'd _hope_ it uses mysqldump

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mkargar:

thx very much friends

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keith4_:

should I be doing anything fancier than " mysqldump -u mythtv -p mythconverg > backup-pre-21.sql " ?

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anykey_:

keith4_: you could bzip2 it, for saving space ;)

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mkargar:

i have another problem(crazy question!)!how to changing mythtv interface font's?(default size is very large!!)

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keith4_:

anykey_: pffff. space is cheap

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keith4_:

(luckily)

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anykey_:

hehe

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keith4_:

yikes, this really thrashes mysql

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keith4_:

168M of sql in ascii. niiiiiice

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GreyFoxx:

It compresses well

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jams:

yay new hardware ordered, hopefully it arrives by end of week.

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MrUnagi:

i dont quite understand mythtv..........is the mythtv viewer not a tuner in itsself?

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PatrickDK:

nope

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PatrickDK:

you have recorders and you have players

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PatrickDK:

recorders are backends

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PatrickDK:

players are frontends

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MrUnagi:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...2008-03–24 12:00:25.560 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

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Yahooadam:

MrUnagi – what OS are you on? and what have you installed?

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MrUnagi:

kubuntu and i installed mythbuntu-control-centre

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nix4me:

Dagmar: in slack, where would be the proper location for firmware:/lib/firmware, or /usr/local/lib/firmware?

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Yahooadam:

./lib/firmware accordign to a quick google search

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nix4me:

thanks, that's where I have it.

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Nikas:

So.. i have 0.21.. everything works great except one thing that has started now... "Encoder 8 is local on mythtv and is watching Live TV: 'OC' on Kanal 5. This recording will end at 17:05."

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Nikas:

It's 17:18 here

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Nikas:

it continues to record everything in a big file with the show name "OC" until i exit live-tv.

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MrUnagi:

if i have 2 different tuners can you record 2 different programs?

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Nikas:

i have 4 tuners and can record from all of them and that works as it should.

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Nikas:

I did not have this problem from the beginning

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iamlindoro__:

MrUnagi, Of course-- what would be the point of having multiple tuners otherwise?

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MrUnagi:

i didnt know if it had to be in 1 tuner or if you could have more than one..........ie an expresscard and a usb tuner

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Nikas:

so, what to do? this is a new problem.

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MrUnagi:

support for linuxtv is pretty much limited to pci devices correct? there arent very many usb devices supported?

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iamlindoro__:

You obviously haven't looked-- there are hundreds of supported devices of all different interfaces

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iamlindoro__:

including many many USB devices

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MrUnagi:

the problem really is that the info isnt all in one place..........and i still dont know the difference between v4l and dvb

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iamlindoro__:

Sure it is, it's all in the wikis at linuxtv.org

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iamlindoro__:

the v4l wiki for analog tuners, DVB for digital ones

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MrUnagi:

digital video broadcasting?

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iamlindoro__:

That's what DVB stands for, yes

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Justin__:

do tuners in the same input group have to share lineups? I have two tuners with slightly different lineups in the same input group, yet the one tuner is being used for channels that I deleted from its lineup

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Justin__:

i have my cable box hooked up via firewire and svideo. I only want the firewire to be used for non-premium channels, so I deleted them all from my firewire lineup

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Justin__:

the firewire tuner has a slightly higher priority, and when I tune to a premium channel, the firewire is still being used even though I removed the channel from its lineup

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Justin__:

it looks like the channels undeleted themselves

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MediAWak3:

does anyone know how to use MYTHRENAME.pl

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Nikas:

MediAWak3: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythrename.pl

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MediAWak3:

Nikas: im already looking at that, and have emailed the maintainer(with no response) and I can't get it to work...

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Nikas:

MediAWak3: Whats not working?

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MediAWak3:

http://rafb.net/p/kdjhFt82.html

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iamlindoro__:

That error message tells you exactly what is wrong... install DBD::mysql

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Dagmar:

Your perl install is incomplere

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Dagmar:

run `cpan`, answer it's questions, then type `install DBD::mysql` and cross your fingers, although I suspect it's just broken

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MediAWak3:

how do I do that, or what do I need to install?

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Dagmar:

...in which case you need to stop using Gentoo and switch to a distro you can't break as easily

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Nikas:

Dagmar: Do you have any thoughts about my problems with live-tv "recording" to one big file?

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Dagmar:

How is it a problem?

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Dagmar:

liveTV is *always* recorded

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Nikas:

Dagmar: yes, but when the program changes the recording should switch to a new file with a new name.

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Nikas:

"Wathing live-tv on channel XXX. This recording will end XXXX" but it never ends.. it just continues to record to the same file and name .. from where i started to watch live tv.

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MediAWak3:

Dagmar: do I do it as root "run `cpan`, answer it's questions, then type `install DBD::mysql` and cross your fingers, although I suspect it's just broken"

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Nikas:

I can watch live tv all day but it's all saved in one BIG file and the name does not change for what i'm watching and the end-time stays the same all day.

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Nikas:

i did not have this problem like.. two weeks ago

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Nikas:

i need to exit and enter live tv to get a new recording/file

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Dagmar:

Sounds like maybe you have no program guide information

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Dagmar:

Far as I know it uses that to decide when to stop and start storing in a given file

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Nikas:

Dagmar: i'm using xmltv and i have data for two weeks

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Dagmar:

MediAWak3: I do not answer things which are not questions

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Dagmar:

Nikas: Well, I'm out of ideas. Perhaps you should undo the last trivial change or two you made

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Nikas:

It does have end time. "Encoder 8 is local on mythtv and is watching Live TV: 'OC' on Kanal 5. This recording will end at 17:05." But... it continues to record to the same file

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MediAWak3:

the cpan thing, should I run that as root or a user

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MediAWak3:

?

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Dagmar:

Run it as root.

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MediAWak3:

thank you

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Nikas:

I havent done anything new since .21 :(

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Nikas:

and it was working with .21 before

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MediAWak3:

Dagmar: do you know what this means (its the one remaining error..) " $ /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/mythrename.pl --link /home/brandon/Documents/My\Videos/ --format %T / %T %- %S Net::UPnP::ControlPoint is not installed!"

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stuarta:

that sounds like you are missing the perl bindings

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jduggan:

at a guess i'd say you need Net:UPnP

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jduggan:

+:

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MediAWak3:

I should use cpan and "install Net:UPnP"

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MediAWak3:

??

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stuarta:

or if your distro already has a package install that

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iamlindoro__:

eg "libnet-upnp-perl"

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MediAWak3:

so I have installed everything in cpan properly I thought... maybe not I don't know. but I still get the following error:

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MediAWak3:

$ /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/mythrename.pl --link /home/brandon/Documents/My\ Videos/ --format %T / %T %- %S

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MediAWak3:

Net::UPnP::ControlPoint is not installed!

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MediAWak3:

how can I fix this???

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directhex:

install that perl module, perchance?

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jams:

MediAWak3- install perl net::upnp:controlpoint

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tgelter:

hey all, trying to install mythtv on fedora 8. Anyone know of a guide I could follow?

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iamlindoro__:

directhex: Not that we haven't been telling him so for ~20 minutes ;)

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stuarta:

tgelter: there are a number in the wiki

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iamlindoro__:

directhex, Finally got around to the first couple of Sam n Max episodes, they are actually pretty okay

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tgelter:

stuarta: url?

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iamlindoro__:

wiki.mythtv.org

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tgelter:

thanks

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hnitsuj:

www.mythtv.org/wiki/

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tgelter:

yeah, that's the guide I was following (installing on fedora 7) and ended up with a ton of unresolved deps

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hnitsuj:

www.mythbuntu.org

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keith4_:

wheeeee upgrading to 0.21

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** keith4_ crosses his fingers **

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keith4_:

tgelter: easy solution. switch to debian

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keith4_:

or anything else, as long as it doesn't use yum

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Nikas:

Dagmar: well.. a reboot did the trick ;) Sorry for bothering you. heh

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stuarta:

personally, i'm getting sick of things on debian that aren't quite right

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hnitsuj:

arch (if you enjoy struggling to make mythtv work)

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stuarta:

damn iceweasel and iceape to hell

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stuarta:

give me back my firefox & thunderbird, and all the 32bit libs i need in my 64bit install to run the firefox 3 beta

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MediAWak3:

jams: cpan[6]> install Net::UPnP::ControlPoint

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MediAWak3:

Net::UPnP::ControlPoint is up to date (undef).

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iamlindoro__:

apt-get install libnet-upnp-perl

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tgelter:

keith4_: yeah, well, I'd like to convert my fedora box...it has a lot of data on it that I can't back up elsewhere (not enough room on external media), so it's not easier

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iamlindoro__:

also make sure whatever user you are running as has config.xml in ~/.mythtv/

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** iamlindoro__ thinks he helps just as often to get people to stop repeating themselves obnoxiously as he does out of desire to help. **

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iamlindoro__:

Resolved: A tire iron to the face is a more effective tool in that regard.

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keith4_:

wow, so... mythweb totally takes a shit after the 0.21 upgrade

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MediAWak3:

iamlindoro: I have a config.xml file, but I don't know if its right, or what's missing

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iamlindoro__:

MediAWak3, You shouldn't touch it

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** stuarta wonders if that's good or bad **

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MediAWak3:

ok, do you know why I keep getting " $ /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/mythrename.pl --link /home/brandon/Documents/My\ Videos/ --format %T / %T %- %S Net::UPnP::ControlPoint is not installed!"

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iamlindoro__:

MediAWak3, *stop* repasting the same damn thing please

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tgelter:

so, it doesn't matter what guide I follow, I can't get the deps resolved. would someone like to help me in any way other than pointing me to docs that don't help?"

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iamlindoro__:

tgelter, unlikely after a comment like that

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tgelter:

iamlindora__: I realize that there needs to be tact in asking questions, I'm a long-time irc user and I give plenty of help over irc myself. it's frustrating though, when I'm told over and over again to RTFM when the manual doesn't actually help

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tgelter:

pardon my frustration

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iamlindoro__:

tgelter, resolving deps isn't anything anyone else can do for you, you just need to track them back until you've got them resolved. Use rpmfind if necessary

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jams:

MediAWak3- make sure the user have a vaild config.xml file in the ~/.mythtv dir

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stuarta:

you can always get the source packages for the missing deps and rpmbuild them

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jams:

thats all i know

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jedix:

apt-get build-deps!

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iamlindoro__:

jedix, Not on an RPM-based distro...

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jedix:

oh? there's apt for RH

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MediAWak3:

jams: I have the config.xml file

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directhex:

one of the first signs of madness is doing the same thing multiple times and expecting different results

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tgelter:

iamlindora__: what I'm actually looking for is some help in knowing what repos are compatible and which aren't. I see in the guides that I have to add 3rd party repos, but I'm never told which repos I would need to disable, nor am I told in any docs what the bare minimul number of repos I should have enabled are

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directhex:

jedix, apt for rpm is a joke

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jedix:

does the build-deps not work?

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jedix:

oh

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directhex:

jedix, the functionality of apt depends on the metadata in the deb package format, which isn't handles remotely properly by rpm

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jedix:

well, I give up... you can't get there from here.

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iamlindoro__:

tgelter, I'm fairly certain atrpms is the repos more RH users use

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iamlindoro__:

er most

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tgelter:

iamlindora__: yes, that is one that I have enabled. is it incompatible with the repos provided by RH?

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iamlindoro__:

tab-autocompletion FTL, apparently...

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iamlindoro__:

tgelter, Not a RH user, but I *do* know that the dependencies for myth have changed little if at all between .20 and .21, so howtos ought to work going back a good long while

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fryfrog:

there was some mp3 libs added to 0.21

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fryfrog:

that was the only gotcha in ubuntu

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keith4_:

Error

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keith4_:

data directory is not writable by www-data. Please check permissions.

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keith4_:

and what if I don't want mythweb writing to my data directory??

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iamlindoro__:

fryfrog, won't stop a mythtv build though

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iamlindoro__:

fryfrog, worst case situation you'd end up with a gimped mythmusic

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tgelter:

iamlindora__: I suppose I'll just need to find someone using fedora 8 and compare repos with them

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iamlindoro__:

IAMLINDORO

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iamlindoro__:

O

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iamlindoro__:

OH!

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iamlindoro__:

LMN OH!

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hnitsuj:

keith4_: the data directory in $whatever/mythweb/

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tgelter:

because manual dep resolution is hell

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iamlindoro__:

eye-am-lindor <HIT TAB HERE>

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keith4_:

hnitsuj: it looks like it's bitching about /usr/share/mythtb/mythweb/data

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hnitsuj:

keith4_: yeah so?

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keith4_:

and by mythtb, i mean mythtv

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hnitsuj:

the error message is telling you exactly what's wrong

[17:46:20]

keith4_:

right

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hnitsuj:

if you don't want to fix it, that's up to you

[17:46:37]

keith4_:

but most of the dirs in that data dir are symlinks to my fileserver

[17:46:48]

keith4_:

which it most definitely doesn't have to write to

[17:47:00]

keith4_:

... or at least, 0.20 mythweb didn't have to write to

[17:47:24]

keith4_:

odd. it just wanted to write to the data dir, even though it can't write to anything IN the data dir

[17:47:26]

** keith4_ shrugs **

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stuarta:

it's used as an image cache iirc

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hnitsuj:

I give up trying to help anybody today. nobody fucking listens

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keith4_:

stuarta: yes, it is

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keith4_:

but it doesn't need to write to the data dir, it needs to write to data/cache

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keith4_:

which it COULD

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iamlindoro__:

keith4_, You need to read the INSTALL file from mythweb for .21. Following the directions therein solves 99.9% of all mythweb problems

[17:48:51]

keith4_:

the error message is just fucking wrong

[17:49:03]

keith4_:

iamlindoro__: i don't have any problems, it's working fine

[17:49:16]

keith4_:

i'm contending that there is a bug in mythweb, though

[17:49:17]

tgelter:

iamlindora__: I found out what was causing my conflict. apparently having vlc is a bad thing when trying to install mythtv-suite. Is that documented anywhere?

[17:49:37]

PatrickDK:

heh? I use vlc in mythtv alot

[17:49:37]

** iamlindoro__ will no longer respond if not referred to by his actual name **

[17:49:55]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, vlc is no problem with mythtv

[17:50:00]

MediAWak3:

Thanks Guys, I got it working. in case your interested you need "cpan[1]> install Net::UPnP::QueryResponse " as the " Net::UPnP::ControlPoint" is dependant on it

[17:50:12]

keith4_:

you're

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tgelter:

interesting...removing vlc allowed me to install the mythtv-suite

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MediAWak3:

so the error wasn't that Net::UPnP::ControlPoint wasn't installed, but Net::UPnP::QueryResponse wasnt

[17:50:29]

iamlindoro__:

Or you could have just apt-gotten the package I told you to 40 minutes ago

[17:50:36]

iamlindoro__:

which would have handled all of that...

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MediAWak3:

iamlindoro: the package didn't seem to exist???

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iamlindoro__:

MediAWak3, On what distro?

[17:51:08]

MediAWak3:

gentoo

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iamlindoro__:

Heh

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MediAWak3:

...?

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MediAWak3:

what's with "heh"

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** jams sighs **

[17:52:11]

iamlindoro__:

Gentoo is used entirely by capable users or the extremely helpless, but nothing in between...

[17:52:46]

stuarta:

ah smeg. 3800 email headers to download in the mythtv inbox :(

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MediAWak3:

iamlindoro: hate to break you are theory, but im in between

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iamlindoro__:

Not from what we're seeing

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tgelter:

well, all: apologies for being rude earlier. thanks for the help today

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jams:

iamlindoro_- careful what you say, the founder sometimes hangs out in this channel. =)

[17:54:07]

iamlindoro__:

jams, I've no problem at all w/ Gentoo!

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iamlindoro__:

jams, It *does* seem silly for certain people to use it

[17:54:40]

jams:

yeah

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** jams takes his own advice **

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jams:

come on people, ship my new toys already!

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orko:

hi.

[18:02:20]

orko:

is a hardware decoder like on the pvr150 really needed if i use dvb_t ?

[18:02:30]

stuarta:

nope

[18:02:51]

janneg:

jams: are you sure that the one with the miscrosoft/drobbins cloak is that Daniel Robbins?

[18:03:20]

janneg:

orko: and besides the pvr150 has only a mpeg hardware encoder

[18:03:49]

orko:

janneg: but with ivtv it can be used as decodeer too as far as i know

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iamlindoro__:

nope

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jams:

janneg- just an assumption.

[18:06:16]

Dagmar:

orko: No, it cannot.

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orko:

I just wanted to know if my epia sp 13000 is fast enough if i use a nova t 500 to record .

[18:06:38]

Dagmar:

Possibly

[18:06:43]

stuarta:

orko: should be, since dvb-t is just bit bangind

[18:06:47]

stuarta:

banging

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iamlindoro__:

oooh, bit banging, I'm totally stealing that

[18:07:01]

orko:

stuarta: cool. so i can record many channel at same time.

[18:07:14]

stuarta:

limited by your i/o

[18:07:24]

orko:

sata i hope is fast enugh

[18:07:39]

orko:

anybody using multirec with german television here?

[18:07:49]

stuarta:

basically as long as you aren't trying to do software encoding you should be okay

[18:08:03]

stuarta:

however commflagging will be pointless on that hardward

[18:08:05]

stuarta:

e

[18:08:18]

stuarta:

not much cpu

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orko:

rigth now commflagging works well with my pvr 150 on that board.

[18:08:51]

stuarta:

fair enuf :)

[18:09:10]

stuarta:

commflagging takes more cpu than recording dvb

[18:09:31]

Dagmar:

Recording an already compressed stream isn't much more complex than copying a file

[18:09:31]

orko:

the openchrome driver keeps the work away from the cpu when watching and the pvr150 does the job when recording. so enough cpu for commflagging

[18:09:50]

Dagmar:

orko: That bit about openchrome is debatable

[18:10:12]

Dagmar:

Although if you already have the hardware it can't really hurt to try using it

[18:10:25]

orko:

can commflagging be scheduled? So that if i watch something and cpu load is high commflagging is stopped?

[18:10:37]

orko:

i will tyr for sure;-)

[18:10:41]

orko:

i will have to,-)

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stuarta:

you can specify time windows when jobs are allowed to run

[18:10:51]

Dagmar:

One way or another it can be

[18:11:01]

orko:

is it true that i can record all channel in germany with only one dvb_t an dmultirec at the same time.

[18:11:19]

stuarta:

doubt it

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orko:

brb

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Dagmar:

Worst case scenario: You move mythcommflag to mythcommflag.old and replace it with a shell script that calls mythcommflag and renices it to lowest priority

[18:11:42]

Dagmar:

Like, _absolutely_ worst-case

[18:11:53]

Dagmar:

...and it would still keep it out of your hair during playback.

[18:11:56]

stuarta:

it already runs with background priority

[18:14:46]

janneg:

orko: no, you need depending on the region between 3 and 7 cards to record all channels simultaneously

[18:15:10]

Wonka:

orko: since german dvb-t uses up to 6 frequencies, you'd need to have up to 6 tuners to record everything at the same time

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orko:

Wonka: or 3 nova t500;-)

[18:25:18]

iamlindoro__:

That would be 6 tuners

[18:25:23]

orko:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

no "or" about it

[18:25:49]

orko:

but no problem. i have then 2 tuners and the pvr 150. i think its enough for my normal usage

[18:26:17]

kabtoffe:

Why are the recordings in the record-table bound to the station "name"? ie. why the station column and not just chanid

[18:26:45]

orko:

so next question: After updating to 0.21 mythmusic does not work anymore. how can i see why? any log file or so?

[18:26:46]

stuarta:

since a station can be on multiple chanid's

[18:26:49]

orko:

it does not start

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kabtoffe:

stuarta: thanks :)

[18:27:17]

killaz:

Guys I'm setting up my mythtv. Now at the the sources I'm trying to setup the XMLTV grabber. But now when I go to the sources I only see ServiceDirect, EIT and No grabber.. I don't see the grabber I'm expecting..

[18:27:43]

iamlindoro__:

would be explained in the frontend log, but if you have the menu option and it won't even start, then odds are you have .20 mythmusic installed with .21 mythtv

[18:28:18]

Fjodor:

I get "SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates." in mythbackend.log, and I suspect this to cause the resulting recording to be unviewable. Restarting the backend afterwards results in a zombie mythbackend process. I have tried quite a few suggestions against the zombie thing to no avail, and am somewhat at a loss about what to do. Any ideas?

[18:28:23]

kabtoffe:

I changed names on some of my channels and noticed that the schedules for them disappeared.

[18:29:42]

killaz:

I followed different manual/configuration tutorials without any luck... still I dont see the XMLT grabber (MythTV is searching but doesn't find anything)

[18:30:33]

stuarta:

kabtoffe: no they didn't disappear. the channels are now considered equal and so the data from the "duplicate" channels is hidden

[18:30:47]

orko:

iamlindoro: i use mythmsuic 0.21. i use th debian packages from debian-multimedia.org

[18:30:49]

stuarta:

if they are not the same then change the channel names back

[18:31:06]

orko:

iamlindoro: where is the frontend log? i can not find it

[18:31:44]

iamlindoro__:

orko, run mythfrontend from a terminal, and I'll bet you $5 you *aren't* using mythmusic .21

[18:31:55]

kabtoffe:

stuarta: I just updated the record-table with the new names. No problem, I was just wondering why it was like that.

[18:32:11]

orko:

mmh, ok. then the package maintainer does something wrong. the package say its 0.21;-(

[18:38:09]

orko:

iamlindoro: i will try later. but thanks for the hint.

[18:38:10]

orko:

cu

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Justin__:

is there a way to configure a frontend to only use a single tuner? I want my xbox frontend to only use the analog tuner.

[18:55:00]

Justin__:

or any other way to only let it tune SD channels

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DustyBin:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-03–24 06:17 and ended on 2008-03–24 06:20. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure.

[19:06:16]

DustyBin:

There's guide data until 2008-04–05 01:20 (12 days).

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** DustyBin wonders what that might be **

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tgelter:

so, when I launch a video, I get an X11 error when going to fullscreen (using mplayer): BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)

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tgelter:

ah, due to compiz, nm

[19:20:21]

tgelter:

so when I try to launch a video from within the frontend, it flashes "Loading..." and then goes back to the screen

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iamlindoro__:

look at your frontend log to figure out why

[19:21:40]

iamlindoro__:

just means you're using an external player and that player doesn't want to play w/ whatever command line you're using...

[19:22:02]

clever:

ive got mythtv&compiz working together

[19:22:17]

clever:

and on my newer system the effects can even mangle the video!

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peman:

morrn morrn

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tgelter:

so I'm getting a bunch of alsa-lib errors. is there a certain way that I need to configure sound?

[19:23:46]

peman:

q: is there any shell-prompt way to configure my backend? (mysql prompt is not an option :P)

[19:23:52]

tgelter:

I can run the video using mplayer by hand...

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iamlindoro__:

tgelter, you have to actually *look* at the frontend logs...

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tgelter:

iamlindora__: there are no logs under /var/log/mythtv

[19:25:58]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, my nick is *iamlindoro__*

[19:26:23]

iamlindoro__:

and you can invoke mythfrontend from a terminal to be able to look at the same output

[19:26:24]

tgelter:

iamlindoro__: apologies

[19:26:50]

tgelter:

iamlindoro__: that's where I saw a whole bunch of alsa-lib errors

[19:27:17]

iamlindoro__:

ok, if those errors show up when you try to play a video, then resolve them and the video will play fine

[19:28:28]

tgelter:

right, I don't know how to resolve them, that's why I asked. if I invoke mplayer by hand, I see no errors. when I have mythfrontend launch a video, it reports that it can't find card '0' (I am new to mythtv, but I'm assuming it's trying to access a device that doesn't exist)

[19:28:59]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, are you launching mplayer from within mythtv?

[19:29:16]

iamlindoro__:

or using internal for that file

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tgelter:

iamlindoro__: I am not doing it manually, mplayer is specified as the external program to use to launch media. If I try to launch a video from within mythfrontend, I get the error. if I go to a terminal and "mplayer myvideo.avi", it works fine

[19:30:12]

killaz:

Hi why is mythtv not finding an XMLTV grabber? It is searching for XMLTV grabbers but doesnt show anything..

[19:31:05]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, then the myth frontend logs should be showing you mplayer errors, in which case you should seek help in #mplayer...

[19:32:22]

tgelter:

iamlindoro__: ...the problem doesn't lie with mplayer, re-read my comment above. I assume I just have my audio device misconfigured in mythfrontend

[19:32:50]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, Wrong, you re-read... if you are launching mplayer as your video player, then it dumps the mplayer output into the frontend log

[19:33:07]

iamlindoro__:

Myth audio settings have *nothing* to do with it if you are launching mplayer as your media player

[19:33:25]

iamlindoro__:

audio settings for myth are *not* passed to mplayer

[19:33:53]

killaz:

If anyone can help me I would be very grateful. Everywhere I look the configuration I see that MythTV is looking correctly for a XMLTV grabber...but it is not working for me

[19:33:56]

tgelter:

iamlindoro__: mythfrontend uses mplayer by default, yes? (I didn't set it up to launch it, I just found the player command in the config)

[19:34:11]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, in .21 Internal is the default.

[19:34:23]

iamlindoro__:

If you are upgrading an old setup, however, it will keep your old setting

[19:34:35]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, Just pastebin your mythfrontend log

[19:34:51]

tgelter:

iamlindoro__: no, this is a fresh install. mythfrontend log should be under /var/log/mythtv, yes?

[19:35:00]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, NO GOD DAMNIT

[19:35:08]

iamlindoro__:

run mythfrontend from a terminal

[19:35:13]

iamlindoro__:

try to play a movie

[19:35:19]

iamlindoro__:

cut and paste the termianl output

[19:36:09]

iamlindoro__:

killaz, If I had to guess, I'd say you have mythtv and xmltv installed to seperate prefixes, ie one to /usr and one to /usr/local

[19:36:40]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, If you have a fresh install of .21, then you are *not* using mplayer as your player and any test you do with mplayer is irrelevant

[19:37:00]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: how can I verify that? and maybe solve it?

[19:37:12]

tgelter:

iamlindoro__: http://pastebin.com/d1509921

[19:37:56]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: because the mechanism of how mythtv is finding xmltv is nowhere explained

[19:38:17]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, the log *tells* you how to fix it

[19:38:36]

tgelter:

the "use -ao alsa" portion I presume

[19:38:58]

iamlindoro__:

you have the .avi extension set up to use mplayer, go fix your command line for it

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iamlindoro__:

or, more appropriately, stop using external players and just use Internal

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killaz:

iamlindoro__: I have xmltv installed in /usr/bin/tv_grab_**

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tgelter:

iamlindoro__: ok, so I would need to replace the "Default Video Player:" entry from "mplayer..." to "internal"?

[19:40:39]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, correct...

[19:41:04]

tgelter:

iamlindoro__: ok, thank you. and for the record, I didn't ever set it up to use mplayer in the first place, that was a default

[19:41:23]

iamlindoro__:

tgelter, Then your packager is dicking around with myth settings

[19:41:33]

killaz:

lol this is so crazy.... I have finished the installation of mythtv in 30 minutes and this problem is taking me more then 5 hours...

[19:41:45]

DustyBin:

anyone here use VOIP at home?

[19:42:03]

tgelter:

iamlindoro__: that worked, thank you for the help

[19:42:54]

iamlindoro__:

killaz, What is the name of your grabber?

[19:43:09]

killaz:

tv_grabber_nl

[19:43:25]

killaz:

location:/usr/bin/tv_grabber_nl

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iamlindoro__:

killaz, try this: ln -s /usr/bin/tv_grabber_nl /usr/local/bin/tv_grabber_nl

[19:43:50]

iamlindoro__:

then try it again in myth

[19:44:38]

psymin:

Any idea why an ivtv device would change channels when its not set up in mythtv? Am I imagining things?

[19:45:37]

peman:

No one knows if there exist any other way than the graphical backend configure? mythtv-setup in shell that is

[19:45:45]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: where is MythTV searching for XML grabbers?

[19:45:54]

stuarta:

peman: there isn't any

[19:45:55]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: by default?

[19:45:58]

iamlindoro__:

killaz, the bin directory for its prefix

[19:46:21]

peman:

stuarta: ok, thanks, then I can save some time searching for it ;-)

[19:46:26]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: no luck... with the above...

[19:47:13]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: still the mechanism is not logical. How does mythtv know if something is a XMLTV grabber? Is there a config file?

[19:47:34]

iamlindoro__:

killaz, How can you call it not logical if you don't understand it in the first palce?

[19:47:35]

iamlindoro__:

place

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killaz:

iamlindoro__: well maybe not the correct word "logical", I'm wondering how mythtv knows if /this/file/is/tv_grab is a XMLTV grabber

[19:49:37]

killaz:

XMLTV grabber is nothing more then a ASCI file which parses a source on the internet right?

[19:49:48]

iamlindoro__:

Anyway, I don't use XMLtv. It may be that you need to *start* with tv_grab_nl --configure, then mythfilldatabase before you go into mythtv-setup

[19:50:12]

iamlindoro__:

killaz, Not necessarily, different grabbers work in different ways

[19:50:54]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: so there has to be a way to tell MythTV hey this is a grabber, use it...

[19:51:05]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: ok thnx for your time.

[19:51:12]

iamlindoro__:

killaz, have you configured your grabber externally yet?

[19:51:42]

iamlindoro__:

All the documentation I find on it says that you do so, apparently I was right, you run it exactly as I said above-- did you google for docs??

[19:52:03]

iamlindoro__:

tv_grab_nl --configure && mythfilldatabase && mythtv-setup

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killaz:

iamlindoro__: the funny thing is when I read the howto's of the grabber they start by saying to configure the XMLTV grabber run mythth setup... Go to Sources etc

[19:54:03]

killaz:

so first run mythtv setup... and then it should popup in the configuration of Sources

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killaz:

iamlindoro__: but I'll try it the other way around...

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stuarta:

killaz: it should pop up in the mythtv-setup configure

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** stuarta tries to remember what the tv_grab required command is **

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killaz:

In the listing grabbers I see these: SchedulesDirect..org, Transmitted guide and No grabber

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stuarta:

killaz: do you have tv_find_grabbers?

[20:00:47]

stuarta:

it should return all the available grabbers you have

[20:01:14]

killaz:

stuarta: yup it does

[20:02:16]

iamlindoro__:

I'm still willing to bet you've got to tv_grab_whatever --configure to set up a ~/.xmltv/blah blah

[20:06:27]

Yahooada1:

peman – if you dont have X and stuff on your backend, you can use SSH X forwarding

[20:06:28]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: but the thing is when I go the Sources I see a window searching for the grabbers but doesn't find anything...

[20:07:04]

iamlindoro__:

killaz, I *understand* that, but you are not listening... Have you even *tried* the tv_grab_nl --configure from the command line?

[20:07:21]

Yahooada1:

/usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt

[20:07:30]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: yup... it's running now..

[20:07:42]

Yahooada1:

/usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt

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Yahooada1:

should be ok

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iamlindoro__:

Yahooada1, He's not in the UK, and the existence of the grabber is not the issue here

[20:08:33]

iamlindoro__:

You *also* probably have ~/.xmltv/, which killaz does not, which is more likely the issue

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Yahooadam:

thats true

[20:09:45]

Yahooadam:

although

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Yahooadam:

~/.xmltv doesnt really do much

[20:10:08]

Yahooadam:

its just a tempory store for data by the looks of it

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iamlindoro__:

wrong, it's where the configuration lives

[20:10:37]

Yahooadam:

my configs are in ~/.mythtv/SourceName.xmltv

[20:10:56]

Yahooadam:

ie, ~/.mythtv/DVB-T.xmltv

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iamlindoro__:

that's different

[20:11:19]

iamlindoro__:

not to mention each grabber behaves differently, they're hardly standardized

[20:11:31]

** iamlindoro__ is getting really sick of having to argue to help others **

[20:11:41]

Yahooadam:

in .xmltv i have "cache" and "supplement"

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** PatrickDK hands out sleep pills **

[20:12:19]

Yahooadam:

in supplement there is "tv_grab_uk_rt" which has channel ID's and "prog_titles_to_process"

[20:12:27]

PatrickDK:

I guess that would be the blue pill?

[20:12:41]

iamlindoro__:

Yahooadam, a) I don't care, b) we're not dealing w/ the UK grabber, so it's irrelevant

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rinaldi_:

hi, anyone know the UK mythmovies grabber?

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** stuarta didn't think there was one **

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killaz:

iamlindoro__: I runned the tv_grab_nl --configure

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rinaldi_:

i assumed there were more because it says, the default one works if you are in the US, which suggests there are others...

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killaz:

iamlindoro__: and you're right!!!!!!

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killaz:

iamlindoro__: damn....

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iamlindoro__:

killaz, Good. Glad it worked for you.

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killaz:

iamlindoro__: awesome...

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Fjodor:

I get "SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates." in mythbackend.log, and I suspect this to cause the resulting recording to be unviewable. Restarting the backend afterwards results in a zombie mythbackend process. I have tried quite a few suggestions against the zombie thing to no avail, and am somewhat at a loss about what to do. Any ideas?

[20:17:11]

killaz:

iamlindoro__: wow 5 hours for figuring out that I should have run the --configure options first

[20:17:29]

iamlindoro__:

killaz, Oh well, now we both know for sure next time ;)

[20:18:00]

killaz:

hehehehehe

[20:18:02]

killaz:

indeed

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nwahmaet:

anyone here using mythbuntu know why opengl support isn't compiled into .21?

[20:35:21]

peoples:

hey guys .. :)

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iamlindoro__:

*if* it isn't, it's probably because it's heavily experimental and extremely prone to breakage

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nwahmaet:

in .21 , you can't use the OPenGL ThemePainter

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PatrickDK:

the gods of ubuntu said so :)

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iamlindoro__:

ah, so you don't mean opengl-video

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peoples:

has someone an idea what this error says ?

[20:36:11]

peoples:

TVSM(1) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(13011) desired(13001)

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nwahmaet:

it crashes on return from LiveTV. There have been a number of reports on users but the solution is always 'use the qt painter'

[20:36:45]

peoples:

maybe something with eitscan ?

[20:36:55]

iamlindoro__:

nwahmaet, You'd probably get better response or information in #ubuntu-mythtv

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stuarta:

peoples: nope

[20:37:03]

nwahmaet:

@iamlindoro__: tried there. crickets.

[20:37:06]

nwahmaet:

:)

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stuarta:

peoples: well a side effect maybe

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iamlindoro__:

nwahmaet, anyway, superm1 is the man for that, believe he hangs out in there

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peoples:

stuarta: side effect of what ? :)

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nwahmaet:

i'll keep an eye out for him, thanks

[20:38:11]

stuarta:

it happens when tuning to a channel and the pmt is sees is the one from the previous channel

[20:39:04]

peoples:

so this is not realy a problem ?

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stuarta:

so you may be seeing it after the EIT scanner does a channel change, hence "side effect"

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stuarta:

no, not really a problem

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stuarta:

if you see them continuously then you'll need to rescan your channels

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peoples:

hm i think i must rescan my channels anyway

[20:41:09]

peoples:

because eit dosn't work ..

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stuarta:

where are you?

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Wonka:

i have eit working for all programs on one dvb-t-frequency

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peoples:

vienna

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Wonka:

and no others

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Wonka:

since .21

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iamlindoro__:

Wien, Wien, nur du allein

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peoples:

amen .. :))

[20:44:12]

peoples:

is there some problem with eit in .21 ?

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stuarta:

nope

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peoples:

hm .. some tips to use eit ? i've realy no idea what happen ..

[20:47:23]

stuarta:

firstly, does it exist there? do you see it on a tv/STB

[20:47:23]

stuarta:

?

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peoples:

i've created video source with eit-scan and channels "on air guide" is activated ..

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stuarta:

yup

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stuarta:

you have to scan for channels with mythtv-setup since EIT needs some info that is only available from the broadcast data

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peoples:

yes ..with my receiver epg works fine ..

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peoples:

the channels are scanned via mythtv ...

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stuarta:

run the backend with --verbose eit

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stuarta:

and you will have some idea if it's doing anything

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peoples:

but i've installed new and exported the channels table from mysql and inserted it to the new installation ..

[20:50:39]

stuarta:

hmmm, i'd rescan to be sure

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peoples:

maybe thats the problem ? is the eit information stored in channels table ?

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stuarta:

channels & dtv_multiplex

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Frosty-:

hmmph, had no problems for 3 whole days, bored now

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Yahooadam:

you need to break something :p

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peoples:

k i'll run backend with --verbose eit to see whats going on .. thank you stuarta

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jams:

dang you QPixmap::grabWindow!!

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** stuarta hits QPixmap::grabWindow **

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jams:

sadly that didn't remove the long delay

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peoples:

backend only says "EITScanner (3) started passive scan"

[21:03:41]

DustyBin:

im going to sell my Intel Prescott 3.2 pentium chip in my mythtv server and replace it with a intel core 2 chip as they use less heat and power, i think thats important for a home server, do you agree?

[21:03:44]

peoples:

and everytime i switch to a channel a lot of "TVSM(1) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(13011) desired(13001)" errors appear

[21:04:25]

iamlindoro__:

peoples, did you scan with myth in the first place, or did you import a channels.conf?

[21:05:11]

peoples:

i've imported channels table from mysql

[21:05:25]

peoples:

but transponders are scanned

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iamlindoro__:

peoples, I would rescan from scratch with the "delete existing transports" option, then

[21:05:49]

PatrickDK:

is anyone in here good with ir stuff

[21:05:57]

PatrickDK:

as far as basic circit design?

[21:06:01]

peman:

~

[21:06:10]

peman:

ops, sorry :-)

[21:06:11]

iamlindoro__:

peoples: A number of people have solved EIT and minor tuning problems with a fresh scan in .21

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peoples:

by installing .21 i've scanned astra 19.2 to get all the transponders and scanned all transponders .. then i deleted all channels and imported my channels.sql from the prior mythtv version

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iamlindoro__:

peoples, why did you delete after scanning in the first place?

[21:11:22]

peoples:

to import my old sorted channels .. ;)

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iamlindoro__:

peoples, well, I think you're gonna need to drop them and scan from scratch again

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stuarta:

now see that's asking for trouble

[21:12:13]

peoples:

:(

[21:12:24]

peoples:

sorting the channels is hard work .. :(

[21:12:42]

iamlindoro__:

but having a bunch of sorted broken channels doesn't do you any good

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stuarta:

well, do a backup and see if after a scan these things work again

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peoples:

well .. some tips to sort and clear channels in myth except mythweb ?

[21:20:09]

iamlindoro__:

peoples, You don't need to clear them manually-- when you go to scan them, there is an option for how to treat existing channels-- you should choose delete.

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iamlindoro__:

After the scan, to adjust them, Mythweb is probably the best and fastest way, yes.

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peoples:

so a zache gschicht .. :D

[21:22:41]

peoples:

Hm .. sends premiere direkt eit data ?

[21:22:44]

** jams reverts back to the import command **

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hnitsuj:

iamlindoro__: well, my idea of a better channel editor was poo-pooed the other day so in future I'll just keep schtum

[21:26:42]

iamlindoro__:

hnitsuj, Well *I* didn't poo poo it :)

[21:27:16]

hnitsuj:

doubtless I'll get around to it one day though

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iamlindoro__:

Heck, I would be thrilled if /-tagging channels for a group delete/make invisible/etc were possible

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hnitsuj:

there are way more important things to deal with first

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joecurlee:

hi all, I have mythtv 0.21 running on ubuntu 7.10... everything was working perfectly for a while and now HD channels are barely playing. I'm using an HD Homerun capture device

[21:29:16]

joecurlee:

HD channels seem to play in slow motion... input is coming from an antenna and also a cable line... same problem with both inputs

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iamlindoro__:

joecurlee, If the problem started with the .21 upgrade, then you need to go edit your playback profiles as appropriate for your system

[21:29:48]

joecurlee:

i plugged in the antenna to a different tv, same channel (PBS) and it plays just fine, so I know this is coming from my setup

[21:30:15]

iamlindoro__:

and if it started with you *editing* playbck profiles-- go undo whatever you did :)

[21:30:28]

joecurlee:

yea I'm starting to suspect it's from the upgrade

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joecurlee:

*sigh* very frustrating as I'm not sure what my old setting were

[21:31:29]

iamlindoro__:

you can try simply trying another preset, ie CPU+, CPU++, --, etc., etc.

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joecurlee:

ah good idea. thanks

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ben_:

hi when i use my mythtv online web remote

[21:35:21]

ben_:

all it says is not responding

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ben_:

is there a additional processes i need to run?

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DustyBin:

could this CPU handle HD 1080P content:

[21:36:41]

DustyBin:

Intel E2160 Socket 775 Pentium Dual Core 2x1.8Ghz 800FSB

[21:36:57]

hnitsuj:

DustyBin: h.264? maybe

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joecurlee:

iamlindoro__: I have two hard drives... primary hd has the mythtv install on it, secondary hd is currently set to be the Default storage group... would this have anything to do with the poor livetv playback?

[21:37:10]

hnitsuj:

not at a very high bitrate though

[21:37:19]

hnitsuj:

DustyBin: and then only if it's been encoded in slices

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DustyBin:

hnitsuj: im going to sell my prescott 3.2 pentium has it sucks up a lot of power, researching a new chip so its HD future proof too

[21:37:37]

hnitsuj:

when oh when oh when will the penny drop? you need MOAR MHZ

[21:37:47]

hnitsuj:

MOAR!

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Yahooadam:

the E2160 is too slow i believe

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DustyBin:

eek

[21:38:12]

Yahooadam:

its the lowest Core2Duo availible

[21:38:13]

DustyBin:

heres the list

[21:38:16]

DustyBin:

http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Processors-Intel/subcat/Core-2

[21:38:42]

DustyBin:

ntel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.20GHz Socket 775 800FSB 2MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor <--- maybe this is more suitable for 1080p ?

[21:38:51]

ben_:

anyone had this working?

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ben_:

/mythweb/remote

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ben_:

online?

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hnitsuj:

ben_: I suspect you need the remote telnet interface enabled for it to work

[21:39:36]

ben_:

how would i go about enabling it

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hnitsuj:

DustyBin: what's the point anyway? HD ain't coming to the UK free to air for a very long time anyway

[21:39:48]

DustyBin:

aye true

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DustyBin:

might just get a Intel E2160 Socket 775 Pentium Dual Core 2x1.8Ghz 800FSB for now

[21:40:39]

DustyBin:

only 40 quid

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DustyBin:

sell 3.2 prescott

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DustyBin:

the saving would be like turning off a 20 watt light bulb

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directhex:

hnitsuj, i'd say yes. that cpu should be happy with bbchd

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directhex:

hnitsuj, given clocking a t7400 down to 1.8ghz is fine with it...

[21:45:55]

hnitsuj:

like I said – fine as long as the bitrate isn't too high :)

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Ojg:

what recording profile settings would you guys recommend for pal, space is no problem, 2ghz cpu?

[21:49:22]

ben_:

anyone know how to enable remote telnet interface

[21:50:06]

directhex:

a framegrabber will always mean epic fail for image quality. pick whatever you feel like

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hnitsuj:

Ojg: turn the res down til you can no longer put up with how much it sucks :P

[21:51:00]

joecurlee:

so I went through all playback profiles and live HD TV playback still runs as if in slow motion and delivers almost no audio

[21:51:09]

joecurlee:

my signal strength is 100%

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directhex:

joecurlee, which cpu?

[21:51:45]

joecurlee:

do you mean which cpu am I using?

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DustyBin:

lol

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joecurlee:

checking now... one sec

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joecurlee:

i just built this computer and am i the middle of building another so i get the hardware mixed up.

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directhex:

i actually meant which cpu was in HAL-9000 in 2001 a space oddysea. it's a vital piece of info when diagnosing mythtv playback issues

[21:53:02]

Ojg:

hnitsuj, hehe i have 720x576 now with 4400 mpeg4 and changed the sound back and fort can't really decied mp3 48k with full quality feels like overkill

[21:53:24]

territory:

anybody kno how to add a firewire device after the .21 update?

[21:53:32]

joecurlee:

directhex: lol nice... i'm using AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+

[21:53:33]

directhex:

territory, the same way as before

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territory:

dont know how to add my GUID

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territory:

no tis not

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territory:

no port/node

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hnitsuj:

jesus this place is sucking the clue out of me

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territory:

it asks for GUID but dont let u pick nothing

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directhex:

then chances are it hasn't detected your firewire box

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directhex:

whih is usually a symptom of using the broken "new and great honest" firewire stack in 2.6.23+

[21:54:39]

territory:

so what shal i do

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territory:

i see my firewire device in plugreport

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directhex:

well, you obviously already checked your backend log for anything suspicious, right?

[21:55:18]

territory:

of course

[21:58:19]

territory:

any ideas

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directhex:

check permissions on the raw1394 device node

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territory:

should it b mythtv mythtv

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directhex:

they should be writable by the user who runs your backend (and mythtv-setup)

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directhex:

beyond that, it's system-specific

[22:00:51]

territory:

seems correct

[22:01:15]

territory:

i got it

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territory:

i think

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territory:

;]

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territory:

thnx for putting ideas in my head

[22:02:05]

territory:

just gota test out hte frontend now

[22:02:15]

territory:

after database finishes up

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directhex:

and before you ask, "because sometimes if the firewire bus reinitializes, and changes the port assignment of the firewire box, whereas guid never changes"

[22:02:43]

territory:

i think it was something with the permisions

[22:02:53]

territory:

cuz i did sudo myth-setup and tehre the gUID was

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territory:

im not workin yet but im definitely a step in teh right direction

[22:05:33]

joecurlee:

ok so i guess my system is suddenly unable to handle HD television. this is stupid

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directhex:

joecurlee, which video driver are you using?

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joecurlee:

directhex: nvidia

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joecurlee:

card is nvidia geforce 7 series

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Fatty123:

I'm using SD, and all of a sudden some my channels and timeslots show "NO DATA". How can I clear my schedule database before running mythfilldatabase (I tried --update-all)? Or is there an easy way to look at the SD XML to see if it is the one missing the data?

[22:08:25]

directhex:

and which renderer did you configure it to use? you said you'd tried every playback profile...

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joecurlee:

don't know renderer... correct tried all playback profiles.

[22:09:37]

joecurlee:

where do you choose renderer?

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directhex:

it's what playback profiles actually *do*

[22:10:34]

joecurlee:

ah i see

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directhex:

i.e. you pick which renderer and deinterlacer to use for a given input file resolution

[22:10:50]

directhex:

so you can use xvmc for HD, and xv for SD, for example

[22:11:34]

joecurlee:

looks like on "high quality" settings it's using xv-blit

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directhex:

and xv is working okay for you? "xvinfo" returns lots of stuff, no errors shown in the frontend log when you play a video?

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joecurlee:

correct

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joecurlee:

actually scratch that.. i am getting "Writeaudo: buffer underrun" errors

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directhex:

what file system are you running?

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joecurlee:

"mixer unable to find control master"

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joecurlee:

ext3

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territory:

fixed ;D

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territory:

jsut gota run sudo myth-setup once, and GUID will show up

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joecurlee:

out of ideas?

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directhex:

nothing obvious, other than the audio buffer issue

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directhex:

try a recording in a different media player

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joecurlee:

would pvr-350 hardware decoder settings have anything to do with this?

[22:23:24]

joecurlee:

enabling or disabling seems to have no effect

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directhex:

joecurlee, you have a pvr350?

[22:34:03]

joecurlee:

no... i didn't realize what pvr350 was until after asking that

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joecurlee:

I'm using homerun hdtv

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directhex:

and you said the video playback was slow motion?

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joecurlee:

yes for the most part... it's running as if in slow motion while on HD channels with no or choppy audio

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directhex:

there's a setting to try, but i don't remember which menu it's in

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directhex:

"use video as a timebase"

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joecurlee:

yes i saw that... let me try

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joecurlee:

negative... no change

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directhex:

which nvidia driver version are you using?

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joecurlee:

in xorg.conf it simply says "nvidia" for driver under "device" section

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directhex:

that's not an answer to the question i asked

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joecurlee:

i guess I don't know then... not sure where to find that info

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directhex:

package versions. xorg log. dmesg. /proc/. lots of places

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joecurlee:

ok checking

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joecurlee:

directhex: looks like i'm using the xserver-xorg-video-nv driver

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directhex:

no, you're not

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joecurlee:

no?

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directhex:

nv is the open-source unaccelerated nvidia driver, provided by "nv" in xorg.conf

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directhex:

you said your was set to "nvidia"

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joecurlee:

hmm... correct... ok continuing to check

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directhex:

it'll be a package starting nvidia-glx assuming some debian-based system

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directhex:

and also assuming you never downloaded and ran anything from nvidia.com

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joecurlee:

that's the thing... i'm pretty sure I installed the driver from nvidia.com

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directhex:

then support ends here. i don't bother supporting inherently broken systems

[22:50:40]

joecurlee:

ouch... so you recommend removing their driver and switching to...?

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Yahooadam:

what OS are you on?

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joecurlee:

ubuntu 7.10

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Yahooadam:

then directhex may be recommending the ubuntu Nvidia driver

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joecurlee:

ok and the driver for nvidia is: 169.09 whtever the hell that is

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psymin:

joecurlee: did you say you have a hauppauge 350? Are you trying to play back HD content over that? .. please forgive me if I'm confused.

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directhex:

there's a reason binary drivers are repackaged by distributions

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joecurlee:

no using homerun hdtv not hauppauge

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psymin:

ahh

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joecurlee:

i've had troubles with my system from the start and have went through multiple setups over the past month so I honestly don't remember what driver i'm using

[22:53:47]

joecurlee:

my guess is that 169.09 is the driver that comes from nvidia.com however so looks like I might be screwed and need to reinstall

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Yahooadam:

i think you want to

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Yahooadam:

sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common

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directhex:

Yahooadam, that really won't help him

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joecurlee:

so which one will?

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directhex:

that depends on what you want to solve, specifically. if you have nothing of importance, you may be best served by a reinstall, because god knows what mess has been left by nvidia's binary

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Yahooadam:

the package might be "nvidia-glx" actually

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Yahooadam:

or nvidia-glx-new

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directhex:

Yahooadam, guessing won't improve matters. he has more than that to reinstall if he HAS used nvidia's installer

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directhex:

Yahooadam, and the package depends on the hardware. nvidia-glx-new is likely for geforce 7

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Yahooadam:

i suggested nvidia-kernel-common, but i dont think thats what he wants, assuming he can just install some drivers

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joecurlee:

which is what I'm using (geforce 7)

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directhex:

bedtime.

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territory:

firewire seems a lot more crappy after the updat

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territory:

;/

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territory:

freezing up on channel changes and stuff lik that

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joecurlee:

so i believe i have all nvidia stuff removed from my system

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joecurlee:

was getting ready to install nvidia-glx-new however it requires restricted package manager... i thought this was a bad idea to use?

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clever:

joecurlee: i think its just a gui to install non free drivers

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clever:

like the nvidia one

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TelnetManta:

Anyone here familiar with DVB-S and Myth? I have a question about scanning when having multiple adapters.

[23:07:59]

clever:

finds all hardware needing restricted drivers and lists off the matching drivers

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hobbyhure:

TelnetManta: yes here, whats the problem?

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TelnetManta:

hobbyhure: Do I need to scan under each of my adapters for each LNB?

[23:09:01]

hobbyhure:

normally you jsut add a transponder in khz and start the scan on the selceted adapter

[23:09:10]

hobbyhure:

yep i think so

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hobbyhure:

dont forget to set up the lnb !

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TelnetManta:

hobbyhure: I have two cards, each looking at two sats. I can tune ALL chans under the adapter that I did my scanning on but the second adapter only has a few chans.

[23:10:20]

TelnetManta:

okay, I just wasnt sure how it would handle duplicate channels in the DB

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hobbyhure:

hmmmm normally it should find on each adapter all avaiable channels

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hobbyhure:

afaik mythtv doesnt recognize dupblicate channels, but maybe others know more

[23:11:33]

hobbyhure:

i just have dvbt and dvbs and therefore now dupes

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hobbyhure:

-w

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TelnetManta:

hobbyhure: I'll give it a try and see what it does.

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hobbyhure:

good luck :)

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TelnetManta:

hobbyhure: I have 2 dvbs so I can record while I watch another chan etc. This worked in the past but I recently had to redo my system.

[23:12:28]

hobbyhure:

aaah

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TelnetManta:

Wish I had 2 more pci slots!!!! LOL

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hobbyhure:

sorry that i cant help you so much

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hobbyhure:

me 2 lol

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hobbyhure:

and 200 bucks for a decent new dish and some dvbs cards

[23:13:20]

hobbyhure:

my 45cm cassegrin dish sucks balls

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TelnetManta:

hobbyhure: Damn mini ATX mb!

[23:13:44]

hobbyhure:

oh yes good in space but bad in felxibilty :(

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TelnetManta:

I have three dishes on the house now, wife hates it

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Frosty-:

what happens if you have 4 people for dinner and only 3 dishes

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hobbyhure:

my dream is 5 dvbs cards and a 3 lnb multifeed dish for astra19,2, 28,5 and eutelsat :)

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hobbyhure:

haha Frosty :)

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DustyBin:

is there a such thing as a 'mythtv purist' ?

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TelnetManta:

Frosty-: LOL, thats what a switch is for

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DustyBin:

Frosty-: ive turned off my mythtvbackend restart crontab and my card is still going strong

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TelnetManta:

DustyBin: We are talking about FTA here......

[23:16:43]

Frosty-:

TelnetManta, its okay, me and DustyBin have a sexual history

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TelnetManta:

hobbyhure: Im seriously considering a new case and MB, I'll have to stick the backend in the closet I suppose.

[23:17:06]

TelnetManta:

Frosty-: Good to know.... Um, I think?

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hobbyhure:

yep, miniatx sucks

[23:17:25]

hobbyhure:

dont we all have a sexual history ^^

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TelnetManta:

hobbyhure: I built it to use the nice Media PC Case.

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hobbyhure:

noone of us would exist otherwise...

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TelnetManta:

hobbyhure: Realize now that it wasnt worth the space sacrifice

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hobbyhure:

TelnetManta: i jsut use an old amdx64 which is quite silent as backend

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hobbyhure:

miditower

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TelnetManta:

I have a core2 duo, purpose built to do HD

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DustyBin:

TelnetManta: what one?

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hobbyhure:

ah

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TelnetManta:

oh my, I'll have to check. cant remember exactly now.

[23:19:29]

TelnetManta:

Its about a year old now I suppose

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TelnetManta:

easy way to tell via the OS?

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TelnetManta:

otherwise I'll have to find my receipt lol

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hobbyhure:

shit that svbs2 isnt so well supported under linux, would like to go for hd too

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iamlindoro:

cat /proc/cpuinfo

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TelnetManta:

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 4300 @ 1.80GHz

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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DustyBin:

nice chip, low power

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DustyBin:

doesnt get hot

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TelnetManta:

hobbyhure: Have to use a GenPix if you want 8psk HD

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territory:

where are the deinterlace options now in .21?

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DustyBin:

territory: playback tv settings

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territory:

i dont see them in tv/playback where they used to be

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TelnetManta:

but we arent supposed to talk about that here ;-)

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DustyBin:

territory: you need to edit the profile

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hobbyhure:

TelenetManta: i dont even know what that is haha

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territory:

my mythbox crashes everytime it tries to display a 1080i channel

[23:22:14]

territory:

this is after the update

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territory:

;/

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DustyBin:

territory: change the profile

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TelnetManta:

I havent tried HD since I went to .21.... Hope it still works!!

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territory:

didnt see it there, i'l look again

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territory:

which playback profile should i use

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territory:

high quality?

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territory:

it was set on cpu+

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territory:

im really not to familiar with these settings

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territory:

think i got it

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territory:

put it on normal, high quality seems like it was for 1080p

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territory:

eh video playback seems really bad tho

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wagner:

ive played 1080i (ATSC), but this is on a SDTV, so i dont know how relevant this is

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wagner:

has anyone set mythweb up behind an http proxy before?

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xris:

I've used mod_proxy

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xris:

but there's nothing special to set up there

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wagner:

im trying to have mythweb on its own IP internally, at the root of the website

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wagner:

but have it under the '/mythweb' folder externally

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xris:

ah, never done that. virtual hosts are easier. :)

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wagner:

i cant get mod_proxy_html to actually rewrite any of the links

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xris:

probably easier to just set up mythweb internally at /mythweb

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wagner:

thats how it is currently, and it works fine

[23:45:35]

wagner:

but theres nothing else on that server, so id like it to be at root if possible

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mjj29:

wagner: just use mod_rewrite

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mjj29:

don't need mod_proxy

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mjj29:

if you mod_rewrite to an http://... address it proxies

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mjj29:

wagner: alternatively, can't you setup a vhost externally?

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Egghead3:

after upgrade to .21, i get a flood of 'audio stream changed' errors in my mythfrontend log, and ideas whats causing this?

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wagner:

mjj29, as in... set up a new sub-domain mapped to the same address?

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mjj29:

wagner: yeah

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wagner:

i suppose i could do that

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wagner:

it would be seamless inside and outside the internet then

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wagner:

err... internet and local network

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wagner:

i didnt want to put that machine directly on the internet

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mjj29:

I have 22 addresses mapping to my server

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mjj29:

*hostnames

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wagner:

ive got two domains mapped to mine currently, i just hadnt thought to do that

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wagner:

so that shouldnt be a problem for me to set up

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mjj29:

but yes, mod_rewrite >> mod_proxf

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mjj29:

s/f/y

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wagner:

s/f/y?

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mjj29:

I typoed mod_proxy, that was correcting it

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wagner:

ah... didnt click as 'sed' notation

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TelnetManta:

Anybody need a Phillips Pronto remote?

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Fatty123:

wagner... still around?

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wagner:

yeah

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TelnetManta:

Man I hate when the chan scanner locks up

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Fatty123:

I've got http://mysite.com/mythweb/ proxying to the internal box/mythweb/, is that what you're looking for?

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wagner:

yes, but im just going the subdomain/vhost route

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xris:

wagner: vhost is much easier.

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xris:

then you just go to mythtv.example.com

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wagner:

so http://mythweb.<myaddress>.com/ rather than http://www.<myadderess>.com/mythweb

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Fatty123:

where is the actual location of mythweb?

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** xris wishes people would use legit "does not exist" domains instead of real ones that sound nice. **

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xris:

wagner: or "myth" or "mythtv"

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** Fatty123 promises to use example.com in the future **

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wagner:

mythweb is on a virtual machine on my main server

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wagner:

it got hosed, so last night i moved it off the web server and onto its own vm

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xris:

wagner: or you can set up the main server to proxy to your mythtv box, and run mythweb there

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wagner:

i decided just to keep it there

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xris:

mod_proxy is easy to use

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