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Sunday, March 23rd, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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galorin:

Howdy, is it possible/practical to run the link between the mythbackend and mythfrontend over wifi?

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galorin:

I'm tryin to, and the video is really choppy. output on the frontend is consantly telling me it is doing a prebuffering pause

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: hey do you know off hand the standard flags you use when compiling mplayer svn?

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Aval0n:

i just wanna make sure h264 support ac3 xvid/divx support is all there

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: mplayer, unlike ffmpeg, compiles in everything it supports that you have libraries for

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iamlindoro:

All I do is ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-ivtv

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metalac:

so i upgraded to 0.21 and my firewire input from DCT-6200 is all screwed up

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metalac:

everything seems to be setup correctly, but it's totally unreliable

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metalac:

it seems to work fine until I attempt to switch the channel

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metalac:

and then it's a coin toss as to if it will return to main menu, give me a blank screen, or properly change to channel

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metalac:

is there something that's different with 0.21 in regards to firewire? i noticed some changes in menus but I don't know what's going on in the background

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iamlindoro:

metalac: I don't have time to go through firewire troubleshooting at the moment, but I use .21 w/ a DCT-6200 and a DCH-3200 and they are working perfectly on this end-- My money would be on a config issue

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xand:

galorin: I wouldn't do that

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metalac:

well i'd like to try a best way to clear all the config and start from 0

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iamlindoro:

metalac: That would be delete the tuner and follow the firewire wiki from scratch

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Aval0n:

thanks aimlindoro

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Aval0n:

how come you disable ivtv

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: because I don't use ivtv

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iamlindoro:

no ivtv cards

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iamlindoro:

no need for the support

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Aval0n:

ahh

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metalac:

iamlindoro: so the firewire wiki is still relevant to 0.21?

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Aval0n:

is a pvr500 or kworld 115 an ivtv card?

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iamlindoro:

metalac: yep

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: pvr-500

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Aval0n:

so i wouldn't want to disable it then eh?

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: But unless you need to be able to watch TV from mplayer, it's not strictly necessary. As I recall it used to bork compiling mplayer too

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metalac:

iamlindoro: ok cool. thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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Aval0n:

hmm

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TelnetManta:

can anyone point me to some instructions on cleaning up my mythconverg tables? I had to do a restore from a while back and now I have videos/recording etc in the database that do not exist on my system any longer.

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iamlindoro:

./myth.find_orphans.pl --dodbdelete --dodelete

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TelnetManta:

where do I run that from?

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iamlindoro:

from anywhere

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nordle:

The only thing with that script, if you used the mythrename script, it shows everything as missing and you can delete all your recordings.

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iamlindoro:

yarp

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TelnetManta:

command not found..

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TelnetManta:

hrm

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iamlindoro:

It's from the contrib directory

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iamlindoro:

in the source-- if you just installed from packages without also installing the source package, who knows whether you have it

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TelnetManta:

i installed from source

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iamlindoro:

then it's in contrib

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TelnetManta:

found it

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TelnetManta:

thanks!

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TelnetManta:

soo glad to have this working again! been without mythtv for months now

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Adin:

hello all

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Adin:

hello?

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cesman:

hello

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Adin:

ive got some mythtv problems

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Adin:

i have no sound with dvd playback

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Adin:

can anyone help me?

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Aval0n:

uhg

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Aval0n:

mplayer wont play now

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: possible player strings have changed in svn

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Aval0n:

it won't launch now

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iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: Every option I've ever given you works in current SVN

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Aval0n:

ahh

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iamlindoro_:

I highly doubt the options have changed, you should be looking at the output of your player command, it tells you if it doesn't like an option

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Aval0n:

it's just mkv it's not loading

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Aval0n:

that's very all

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Aval0n:

err odd

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Aval0n:

I have 3 mkvs on there now

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iamlindoro_:

sounds like you compiled without all the libmatroska stuff installed

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Aval0n:

mplayer svn is what I had on already

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Aval0n:

and it worked before

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iamlindoro_:

ok... well, dunno what to tell you

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Aval0n:

it's just the transformers mkv that's not working now for some reason

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Aval0n:

screen just flashes when I hit ok

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iamlindoro_:

Like I said, it will *tell* you why, you just have, ya know, read

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iamlindoro_:

er have to

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Aval0n:

no kb or mouse on the system

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Aval0n:

and i'm running it from mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

guess you're gonna need to connect them then

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nordle:

Which is the fastest way to get changes into myth without running full mythfilldatabase (mines been running for 25mins now and all I did was tweak the default capture card start number). Would --update or --only-update-channels do?

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iamlindoro_:

nordle: If all you did was that, there's no reason at all to run mythfilldatabase

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iamlindoro_:

you only need to run that if you have no listings at all in the db or if you have added channels that you need to populate with listings

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TelnetManta:

anyone seen mythtv-setup core dumps when scanning transponders?

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nordle:

Really? So mythtv-setup changes, except for channels, are populated instantly?

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iamlindoro_:

nordle: What's to "populate?" All you are doing is changing values in the database... mythfilldatabase deals exclusively with listings

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Aval0n:

weird restarting the frontend fixed it

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nordle:

I did not know that, I assumed mythfill "filled" the database with data. listings and setup data. mmmm I wonder if I should just kill it, 25mins is a loooooong time.

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metalac:

wow i have a very odd problem, i was trying to change the way the program guide looks like and now I get no video on live tv, just sound

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metalac:

hmmm restarting frontend helps

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metalac:

weird

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: as long as -ac hwac3 i in there command line it wont play

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Aval0n:

arg it's intermittently loading them

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squish102:

now that my wife is using a creative remote, the fastforward does not seem to work right

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squish102:

if she does the 30 sec skip, or if i change to 5x etc, suddenly it just stops like the show is over

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squish102:

and she has to start from the begining? she says she presses nothing strange

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qupada:

hi. has anyone tried one of these? http://www.avermedia.com/cgi-bin/products_dig . . . s.asp?show=2 dvb-t tuner in expresscard format. it says "linux*" under support but i can't find what that * means, figured i'd try and find someone who has used one

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iamlindoro_:

unless it shows as supported at the wiki on linuxtv.org, it's probably a lost cause

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jduggan:

i've a feeling hnitsuj has an avermedia

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qupada:

might have to find a willing retail store and try one

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damion:

when i try to start my frontend it says "cannot login to database?"

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TelnetManta:

did you set your password in mythtv-setup?

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damion:

ill try that

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damion:

wait im not following

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damion:

everything i try leads my back to the database configuration

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TelnetManta:

right, the very first thing you need to do is configure your database connection

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TelnetManta:

enter the ip

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TelnetManta:

the username, usually mythtv

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damion:

127.0.0.1 right?

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TelnetManta:

and the password

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damion:

ive gone though all of that

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TelnetManta:

yes

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TelnetManta:

well, if you used the correct info then it should connect.

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damion:

but it isnt

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damion:

what do i troubleshoot?

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jduggan:

are the frontend/backend the same machine?

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damion:

yes

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jduggan:

can you login with the right user/pass using the mysql client?

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damion:

i dont know how to do that

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jduggan:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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jduggan:

it'll drop you to a prompt

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jduggan:

then enter the pass

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jduggan:

if it gives you a mysql> type prompt

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jduggan:

then it worked

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jduggan:

if it doesnt – check ur user/pass =]

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damion:

its not working, how do i check user/pass?

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** iamlindoro puts $5 down on "trying to use linux user/pass for mysql" **

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iamlindoro:

damion: linux and mysql have totally different users and passwords-- if you are trying to use your username and password for linux, that's your problem

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damion:

i dont know how to check my user and pass for mysql

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metalac:

what could be causing on line on top of the frame to flicker? i tired using different deinterlacers, but it aint helping

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iamlindoro:

damion: what distro are you on?

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Dave123:

damion, you have to set it

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metalac:

and it only happens occasionaly

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** iamlindoro guesses something-buntu **

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damion:

debian lenny

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iamlindoro:

close enough

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iamlindoro:

damion: Did you create the mythconverg db with the mc.sql file?

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damion:

i dont think so. all i did was download and install mythtv from the repository

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iamlindoro:

damion: Then your first troubleshooting step is to figure out why your connection to mythtv.org is broken-- I assume it is since you haven't read the manual for Myth there ;)

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iamlindoro:

which contains obscenely detailed step-by-step install instructions

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damion:

is the db created when you run the backend configuration?

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

This is all covered in the docs which you still have not read

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iamlindoro:

Hint: It's in the section called "setting up the initial database." Heck, I can even live with you skipping right to section 6 in the documentation.

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iamlindoro:

Once you have done the database setup step the mysql login is mythtv, with mythtv as a password. Now go read the docs, it's rude to expect people in this room to regurgitate them for you.

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damion:

bad day imlindoro? but thanks anyway

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iamlindoro:

Nope, this is the way the channel works. You read the docs and you will get lots of help. Expect someone to read them to you and you won't get much.

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iamlindoro:

You've already gotten more from me than many here would give you, most would simply refer you to the documentation and leave it at that.

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iamlindoro:

and the bitchy remarks only diminish chances you'll get any further help.

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damion:

i agree

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TelnetManta:

damion: check out the docs as iamlindoro mentioned. things will make much more sense to you.

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TelnetManta:

damion: trust me, this is the easy part, you'll want to understand how myth works so you can handle bigger problems later

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damion:

i will. something else on my box just broke though so 1st things 1st =(

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fryfrog:

does anyone have (or have used) a usb print server?

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: I use a usb – Network print server... Is that what you're talking about?

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fryfrog:

yeah, exactly that

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fryfrog:

you like it? i've read that some of them are a pain in the ass to use with some printers, ie, not universal support

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: I've got on one my Epson 'all in one' printer that I only use for printing CDs/DVDs... Works fine. But doesn't support scanning.

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fryfrog:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: it basically turns your usb printer into a networked LPD device...

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fryfrog:

all i have is a colour laser and a colour photo printer (that i'd like to use for cd/dvd pringig)

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fryfrog:

as in, setup a "printer port" in windows that is an IP?

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: Should work fine for you then. ^^^ Yes.

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fryfrog:

ah, i see

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fryfrog:

is yours a 1 or 2 port?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Single

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fryfrog:

i see

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J-e-f-f-A:

Netgear PS121

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fryfrog:

what make/model?

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

thanks :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

On my winblows box, the printer is on a "Standard TCP/IP Port", LPR protocol, queue name "L1"

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fryfrog:

ah, that isn't terrible

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J-e-f-f-A:

It would work from linux too, assuming it's got the right printer driver... ;-)

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fryfrog:

i'm not even picky, all i care about is using it with windows

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think I got it for $20 like a year ago on sale...

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fryfrog:

i just am moving to a (small) apartment and don't think we'll be able to locate the printers very close to the computers (i'm hoping to put them in a closet"). Is your wan or lan?

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J-e-f-f-A:

It's just on my local lan – but 20' from my computer...

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fryfrog:

i mean, it is wired only, right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah.

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fryfrog:

(i'm not sure i care, probably not)

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fryfrog:

i'd like to find a decent 2 port one, to save plugs and space... but 2x 1 port devices is cheaper :p

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: Jeeze... it's $52.99 on newegg... yikes... I paid $20 after rebate....

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fryfrog:

yeah, that is the *other* thing

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fryfrog:

they are really expensive on newegg, more than a router for the most part

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fryfrog:

i was surprised

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J-e-f-f-A:

check pricewatch.com — $22.88 plus shipping – $30.88

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: There are other brands that are usb 2.0, but it seems to work fine with 1.1, and doesn't seem to be much slower than being attached directly to the computer.

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fryfrog:

I'm not even sure the printers themselves are usb2

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fryfrog:

i wonder what happens if you hook a usb hub to a print server, followed by 2 printers :/

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: Yeah, I only use the epson inkjet for printing CDs and DVDs... everything else is done on the HP Color LaserJet 2605. ;-)

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fryfrog:

J-e-f-f-A: do you have any trouble sending *large* documents to it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: I don't think it will work... there's only one 'logical' port on the adapter.

[02:34:31]

fryfrog:

i don't really *trust* the newegg reviews much, but one dude claims he can never send more than 1mb to the printers

[02:34:42]

fryfrog:

sounds more like user error to me

[02:35:09]

fryfrog:

the print spool should (can) be on the computer or printer, not the usb device

[02:35:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: I dunno — I've only printed CDs and DVDs on it – But they're high resolution — must be alot more than 1MB... It takes 2 minutes to print the DVD...

[02:35:25]

VanessaE:

I've got mythtv working well over here, but I've got a question: When running the GUI and the TV output in a window, is there any way to force the frontend to resize the window to match the size of the video I'm playing? (e.g. analog TV at 640x480, while ATSC runs at whatever the stream says)?

[02:35:43]

VanessaE:

like the way regular movie players do

[02:36:18]

iamlindoro_:

Nope. Myth (currently) supports no on-the-fly resizing at all

[02:36:20]

fryfrog:

VanessaE: I believe so, you need to add a few video modes in the setup (i forget where, exactly) and tick a box that says something like "pick closest video mode"

[02:36:29]

fryfrog:

er, are you sure?

[02:36:38]

iamlindoro_:

fryfrog: For windowed mode? Yep, pretty sure.

[02:36:41]

fryfrog:

i swear there is (was) a place to put video reso

[02:36:46]

fryfrog:

OH

[02:36:48]

fryfrog:

window

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fryfrog:

sorry :0

[02:37:01]

VanessaE:

fryfrog: there is – for fullscreen use :-/

[02:37:12]

fryfrog:

reading, its fundamental :)

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VanessaE:

hm

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VanessaE:

so is on-the-fly window resizing :)

[02:38:19]

fryfrog:

watching tv in a window is for bitches :)

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iamlindoro_:

VanessaE: Myth really wasn't intended to be run in a window

[02:39:02]

iamlindoro_:

That said, w/ qt4 and MythUI There's a chance that on-the-fly resizing might happen, but you'd have to ask the devs about that

[02:39:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: I only watch it in a window when I'm 'multitasking' on my backend system... ;-)

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VanessaE:

I hesitate to bug the devs, mostly because of the /topic in #mythtv..

[02:41:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: on pricewatch.com — search for 'print server 2 port' in "networking', and you get a few hits — the cheapest one is $65 shipped.

[02:42:01]

Aval0n:

anyone know any tricks to getting a nice eject working?

[02:42:04]

fryfrog:

Actualy, I just saw this "TRENDnet TE100-MP2U" on newegg for $68

[02:42:07]

Aval0n:

it's always screwed up for me and never consistant

[02:42:10]

fryfrog:

not shipped, but not bad

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iamlindoro_:

VanessaE: I wouldn't suggest asking *there*

[02:42:30]

Aval0n:

it works the best if I map an eject script with irrecord to a button on my remote and not even press the button on the drive.

[02:42:30]

iamlindoro_:

It would be better to catch them when they come up for air in here

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VanessaE:

oh ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: I've had a 54G Trendnet router, and now have an 802.11n Trendnet router — so far I'm pretty impressed with the price/performance value... and no problems...

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fryfrog:

ah, cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: That TE100-MP2U is kinda goofy design... the ports are on the side... why not have everything connect on the back? (dumb engineering there)

[02:45:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: ... USB ports on the left, Network and power on the right... strange...

[02:45:28]

chopp_x31:

can you run openwrt on a trendnet?

[02:47:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

chopp_x31: I don't know... I don't think so, but I haven't looked at all...

[02:47:03]

** chopp_x31 nods **

[02:47:03]

VanessaE:

well at any rate, mythtv is my first exposure to any sort of PVR. It's nice. :)

[02:47:41]

fryfrog:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, that is kind of dumb, makes it hard to put with other gear

[02:47:41]

** J-e-f-f-A grabs his old 54G Trendnet router and a screwdriver... ;-) MuWaHaHaHa! **

[02:48:17]

fryfrog:

okay, imma order it

[02:48:18]

iamlindoro_:

VanessaE: In that case you picked a featureful one :)

[02:49:03]

iamlindoro_:

VanessaE: You'll likely get hooked on features (not to mention freedom to do what you want with your media) that will make using any other a painful experience

[02:49:43]

VanessaE:

Originally I installed it because it seems to be the only video package for linux that can handle video capture devices that make the audio available as separate DSP device (/dev/dsp1, as opposed to analog loopback to the sound card line in)

[02:49:53]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: I was able to stream that crank150 over wireless G and have it play on my mythbox

[02:49:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

VanessaE: Especially the automatic commercial detection and skip... ;-) Seems to be 100% accurate in 0.21 for every program I've watched so far... ;-)

[02:50:22]

iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: HD media is not high bitrate in relation to modern networking

[02:50:37]

VanessaE:

but as soon as I tried pausing live TV, I was hooked. :)

[02:50:51]

Aval0n:

ahh I just heard a lot of ppl in here tell me that you couldn't stream HD over wirelessG

[02:51:03]

iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: It's *possible* to do it, it's just a terribly bad idea

[02:51:11]

Aval0n:

why is it a bad idea?

[02:51:18]

iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: Because the instant you start copying a few files, your TV is *done*

[02:51:24]

Aval0n:

lol

[02:51:25]

Aval0n:

oh

[02:51:31]

Aval0n:

true :)

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iamlindoro_:

There's just too much that's out of your control with wireless-- interference from other APs, someone microwaving something next door, someone copying a file, etc., etc.

[02:52:52]

Aval0n:

ahh

[02:52:57]

iamlindoro_:

Or, my fave from when I lived on the East Coast, someone picking up the phone downstairs

[02:53:03]

Aval0n:

lol

[02:53:18]

Aval0n:

I'm lucky enough to not be effected by the phone or mirowave

[02:53:22]

iamlindoro_:

I would hear it ring and immediately dive for the "save postiion" button

[02:53:24]

Aval0n:

my phones are 5.0ghz

[02:53:34]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, but city living is vertical ;)

[02:53:35]

Aval0n:

and my microwave just doesn't bother it for some reason

[02:53:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

... Not to mention, if any 802.11b device connects to your network, bang, your down to 11mbps for the whole network... Just like an old 10/100 hub...

[02:53:51]

Aval0n:

nah

[02:53:56]

Aval0n:

I set my router to G-only

[02:54:14]

** iamlindoro_ remembers his first mythbox... *sigh* **

[02:54:20]

Aval0n:

:)

[02:54:49]

GreyFoxx:

My first is still my maste rbackend :)

[02:55:14]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Heh, nice-- I think I *may* still have all the capture cards for every mythbox I've ever had, but that's about it

[02:55:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

chopp_x31: Humm... my Trendnet TEW-432BRP is on the list, but as "untested"...

[02:55:27]

iamlindoro_:

including a few generations of framegrabbers

[02:55:37]

GreyFoxx:

I have an army of capture cards and hardware that's allk be myth related at some time or other :)

[02:56:16]

GreyFoxx:

Only things Ive gotten rid of was selling the mediamvp

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iamlindoro_:

Then there was my AverMedia M179 that I randomly found while cleaning my car this morning...

[02:56:45]

Aval0n:

GreyFoxx: did you like that for sd?

[02:56:55]

Aval0n:

I was thinking about buying one for the kids room

[02:57:03]

Aval0n:

to play his sd cartoons

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GreyFoxx:

it was "ok" for sdtv recordings playback only

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iamlindoro_:

The two sides of my desk shelves, one for "analog cards that I refuse to ever use again" and one for "Stuff I've bought that's not supported in linux but may be worth keeping."

[02:57:27]

Aval0n:

I heard they do livetv now

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GreyFoxx:

but any transcoded video or other codecs and such and it was no good

[02:57:43]

GreyFoxx:

but still a nifty device

[02:58:03]

GreyFoxx:

I sold mine to a friend who uses them for recordings play back, and mostly for his kids cartoons

[02:59:40]

Aval0n:

:)

[02:59:46]

Aval0n:

that's what I wanna do

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Aval0n:

cept I heard they do livetv now

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VanessaE:

oh, I suppose I should have asked this already – on window-resize issue...who should I ask/watch for?

[03:00:07]

iamlindoro_:

Well, I suppose you could ask GreyFoxx while he's here

[03:00:10]

GreyFoxx:

vannes: What do you mean ?

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VanessaE:

oh ok

[03:00:22]

chopp:

J-e-f-f-A: you should give it a try. :)

[03:00:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

chopp_x31: Acutally, my model isn't on the list, and the chipset is different than the hardware model listed on the opewrt site... So, probably no dice for this one...

[03:00:37]

chopp:

:(

[03:00:44]

VanessaE:

GreyFoxx: Mythtv, when not running in full-screen mode, resizing the window to match the native resolution of the content you're playing.

[03:00:59]

VanessaE:

would be a nice feature to have

[03:01:31]

GreyFoxx:

why? :)

[03:01:43]

VanessaE:

because some content doesn't look too good when upscaled :)

[03:01:47]

GreyFoxx:

if you told it you want a "640x480" window, wouldn't you expect it to be in that window ?

[03:01:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

chopp: This one has a main chip with a logo I don't recoginze – an "M", and an Atheros wireless chip. The one listed on the openwrt site is all Realtek chips...

[03:02:45]

VanessaE:

ell,

[03:02:46]

VanessaE:

well,

[03:02:53]

jams:

sweet registering new jumppoints for plugins is easier then anticpated.

[03:03:06]

VanessaE:

I presently set the window to 1920x1080, as my capture card is dual-mode ATSC/NTSC

[03:03:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

chopp: ... It's a "Marvell" processor...

[03:03:38]

GreyFoxx:

Just how big is your screen thaty you runn a 1920x1080 "window" that's not full screen ? :)

[03:03:46]

VanessaE:

2048x1536 :)

[03:04:20]

iamlindoro_:

Only 4:3 could make all those pixels feel dirty

[03:04:33]

GreyFoxx:

You can enable xrandr to for changing video resolutions, but that's not gonna do any sort of dynamic resizing of a window though

[03:04:39]

chopp:

J-e-f-f-A: both of my linksys, and my asus have atheros chips. They all run openwrt great. But that doesn't mean your's will.

[03:04:40]

VanessaE:

right

[03:05:16]

chopp:

J-e-f-f-A: but...this is off topic. :)

[03:05:16]

VanessaE:

sometimes, with other players for example, it's convenient to keep the window small, e.g. native video size

[03:05:33]

GreyFoxx:

I really don't expect to see that sort of thing anytime soon

[03:05:35]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: I earlier got the feeling that the question was more "will qt4 and MythUI permit on-the-fly resizing of windowed Myth, even if it's manual?"

[03:05:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

chopp: ;-)

[03:05:50]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: no in the near future

[03:06:05]

GreyFoxx:

at least noone has discussed it so I don't expect it

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iamlindoro_:

Thar ya have it. I've never run Myth in a window anyway

[03:06:14]

iamlindoro_:

'cause, eww

[03:06:22]

GreyFoxx:

especially with how we handle menus and prescaling images

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VanessaE:

oh nononon

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GreyFoxx:

but that is likely to change a bit after the port too

[03:06:38]

VanessaE:

don't change the *GUI* size

[03:06:51]

VanessaE:

just the video/playback size

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VanessaE:

fixing the GUI at a certain size is a good thing IMHO

[03:07:27]

GreyFoxx:

the video is on top of the gui, so if you don't resize the gui then you will have as big 1920x1080 window with a 528zx480 video window within it

[03:07:48]

VanessaE:

couldn't you open a whole new window for the video?

[03:08:03]

GreyFoxx:

Myth doesn't operate that way and likely never will

[03:08:07]

VanessaE:

ok

[03:08:37]

Aval0n:

any proof on concept stuff with mythui"

[03:08:40]

Aval0n:

animation stuff?

[03:08:42]

Aval0n:

:)

[03:08:57]

GreyFoxx:

the mythui test program was removed from the source as it was way out of date :)

[03:09:03]

Aval0n:

doh

[03:09:10]

Aval0n:

;)

[03:09:17]

turbo is now known as briand

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Aval0n:

well if you need a beta tester ;) /msg me lol

[03:09:45]

GreyFoxx:

if you run svn trunk then you will be running it :)

[03:09:56]

Aval0n:

I am running that

[03:10:01]

Aval0n:

but I don't see an animation

[03:10:02]

Aval0n:

:P

[03:10:03]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: (stuartm) is doing most of the code work on mythui

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VanessaE:

oh well

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Aval0n:

cool

[03:10:18]

GreyFoxx:

Aval0n: It requires theme support and such

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Aval0n:

:)

[03:10:20]

VanessaE:

it's still a wonderful program

[03:10:39]

Aval0n:

any plans from justin to make an animated theme?

[03:10:52]

iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: He's out of the theme business

[03:10:52]

GreyFoxx:

VanessaE: You might eventually see dynamically resizable windows, but I don't it will be "soon"

[03:11:04]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: he's said that a lot before

[03:11:08]

Aval0n:

then glass came out of no where

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VanessaE:

you realize I'm talking about fixed sizes though, right?

[03:11:17]

GreyFoxx:

VanessaE: Yes I do

[03:11:19]

VanessaE:

ok

[03:11:23]

iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: Gladd *didn't* come out of nowhere, he was talking about it for months

[03:11:23]

VanessaE:

just making sure :)

[03:11:26]

iamlindoro_:

er glass

[03:11:50]

VanessaE:

sorry to be a pest :)

[03:11:52]

Aval0n:

hehe

[03:11:55]

Aval0n:

hmm

[03:12:06]

GreyFoxx:

VanessaE: No worries, it's a valid question and such :)

[03:12:07]

iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: He's also never quit altogether so much as taken breaks, and never retracted his themes, so I'd err on the side of his actually meaning it

[03:12:41]

Aval0n:

he's not even keeping his old themes up to date with svn?

[03:12:46]

iamlindoro_:

Nope

[03:12:50]

Aval0n:

uh oh

[03:12:53]

Aval0n:

why'de he stop

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iamlindoro_:

because of all the idiots who wanted to express their opinions of what he should do, and how he should do it, in his e-mail, daily, and the hate mail when he tried to take breaks

[03:13:37]

iamlindoro_:

I don't blame him in the least, I'd tell everyone to suck it too

[03:13:43]

Aval0n:

ahh

[03:13:54]

Aval0n:

he was just too open about it

[03:14:03]

VanessaE:

a related question: is adding a key to toggle full screen mode possible?

[03:14:04]

Aval0n:

she should have released the themes under an alias

[03:14:05]

Aval0n:

:)

[03:14:09]

GreyFoxx:

I tell them to do it now anyway. I code for me, if it benefits others cool. But I don't do it unless I want it too

[03:14:15]

Aval0n:

then people couldn't have bitched at him

[03:14:35]

GreyFoxx:

VanessaE: Not at the moment no

[03:14:39]

VanessaE:

ok

[03:14:39]

iamlindoro_:

You shouldn't have to hide from people for doing them a favor

[03:14:48]

Aval0n:

true

[03:15:00]

Aval0n:

<Shrug>

[03:15:02]

GreyFoxx:

VanessaE: On my desktop I have shortcuts that call the frontend with different -geometry parameters

[03:15:11]

Aval0n:

I donated money to him

[03:15:12]

Aval0n:

:)

[03:15:13]

GreyFoxx:

so I never actually change it in the menu as that's a pain :)

[03:15:41]

VanessaE:

ah

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jams:

yeah it is a pain

[03:16:09]

GreyFoxx:

The appearance stuff mains it easier, but its still more painful than dynamic resizing

[03:17:28]

GreyFoxx:

tomorrow is rats nest of ethernet cable rewiring day! woop

[03:17:34]

VanessaE:

oh fun.

[03:17:46]

VanessaE:

I'm glad I only have two boxes to maintain.

[03:17:53]

GreyFoxx:

all cables of all kinds, power, vga, ethernet etc all get redone tomorrow

[03:18:36]

GreyFoxx:

gotta clean up and main space for the next dvd changer coming :)

[03:18:45]

GreyFoxx:

s/main/make/

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jams:

leave room for firewire!

[03:19:00]

VanessaE:

heh

[03:19:02]

GreyFoxx:

yep

[03:19:14]

GreyFoxx:

Ive got a shelf picked out for it

[03:22:40]

VanessaE:

oh, one more.. I didn't see this in the documentation: Mythtv seems to split recordings into 30-minute segments. Can I override this?

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iamlindoro_:

VanessaE: Myth only does that if you have no listings

[03:23:52]

VanessaE:

ohok

[03:23:57]

VanessaE:

which is the case here

[03:24:05]

VanessaE:

I don't subscribe to any listing services

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iamlindoro_:

SchedulesDirect is highly recommended

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iamlindoro_:

at least if you intend to every schedule any recordings

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iamlindoro_:

er ever

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VanessaE:

I might at some point.

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: you would not believe the stuff needed to upload a channel map to a motorola digital cable box

[03:27:22]

iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2: I bet I would ;)

[03:28:07]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: motorola needs an oob, which is a serial/ethernet to qam gateway

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CCFL_Man2:

then you need the control system to control authorization and channel maps

[03:29:07]

CCFL_Man2:

that doesn't even include the stuff for video on demand and data services like e-mail

[03:29:45]

iamlindoro_:

VOD is exceedingly expensive to set up in a headend... That's why we have myth

[03:30:13]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: you need like 3 or 4 other pieces of equipment

[03:30:18]

iamlindoro_:

also, this is why I pay $33 a month to let someone else do the work. that, and I'm not taking mind-altering drugs that lead me to believe setting up a home headend is a good idea

[03:30:30]

CCFL_Man2:

lol

[03:31:53]

CCFL_Man2:

i wanted to use a motorola cable box just so i could get musicam decoding

[03:32:10]

** iamlindoro_ punches CCFL_Man2 in the face. **

[03:32:18]

iamlindoro_:

I'm going to do that every time you say that instead of MP2

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iamlindoro_:

And I promise this will hurt you more than it will hurt me

[03:33:27]

iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1_Audio_Layer_II

[03:33:37]

iamlindoro:

"MPEG-1 Audio Layer II (MP2, sometimes incorrectly called Musicam)"

[03:33:42]

CCFL_Man2:

but the shit i need is so expensive and so much overkill that it's just not worth it

[03:34:07]

CCFL_Man2:

actually musicam is something different

[03:34:14]

CCFL_Man2:

so i'm wrong

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iamlindoro:

http://www.chiariglione.org/MPEG/faq/mp1-aud/mp1-aud.htm#16

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iamlindoro:

Something different which no longer exists

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah

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CCFL_Man2:

i just don't understand why vod is so overly complicated

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CCFL_Man2:

why go through all that shit

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simcop2387:

directv.pl + usb->serial = WIN :)

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CCFL_Man2:

you have the content server, the controller, the downlink, the uplink, etc

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: It all makes a lot more sense when you're serving tens of thousands of households

[03:37:22]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Also, cable headends are deeply rooted in their legacy equipment

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: why iksn't a mythvideo-like system useful?

[03:37:43]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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psm321:

a "do not match duplicates" policy means that it will record all showings including dupes of currently recorded ones, right?

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CCFL_Man2:

i mean, why can't it use say a couple servers to handle requests and feed the content over the cable network via an ip tunnel over qam>

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CCFL_Man2:

like a cable modem link

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: That's what the existing equipment *is*, it just does it in hardware

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simcop2387:

iamlindoro: ok somethings wrong on wikipedia, on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1_Audio_Layer_II you see, "MPEG-1 Audio Layer II (MP2, sometimes incorrectly called Musicam)", on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musicam you see "MPEG-1 Audio Layer II (MP2, sometimes Musicam)", somethings not right :)

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iamlindoro:

simcop2387: The former is correct

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simcop2387:

fun :)

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simcop2387:

wait a minute... its the same page except that difference...

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simcop2387:

almost

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simcop2387:

but its got the same title at the top.....

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iamlindoro:

simcop2387: sounds like someone copied and pasted-- read the other link I gave CCFL_Man2, Musicam was proposed when the started work on the MP2 format and was changed from there-- musicam itself is no longer used (except as a trademark)

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iamlindoro:

It's sort of the "basis of" MP2 audio

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simcop2387:

iamlindoro: well it says its redirected to the first page...

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: why can't there just be a simple ethernet to rf upstream and downstream bridge, and all VOD is handled on cheap servers and streamed over ip on the lan to the bridge to the stb?

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simcop2387:

but different content, i must not be awake

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: You seem to think cable companies are as silly w/ their money as you are-- they don't tear out whole headends to reimplement systems they already have

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: And why would they, when they can drop in a VOD carousel (which *is* actually a Windows PC) that works with all their existing legacy hardware?

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: but why can't they just add VOD servers and such and just connect the bridge to their combiner?

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CCFL_Man2:

what existing legacy hardware?

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: because not all VOD is free? It needs to all interface with condition access stuff, etc., etc.

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iamlindoro:

conditional

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Dude, you really have a warped view here-- companies do *not* reinvent the wheel every time they add a feature-- why don't you do read all the SA documentation on implementing VOD? I'm sure it would explain it far more ably than I can

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: they want to use their own conditional access system?

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Also, you are looking from a modern perspective at a technology that is at *least* 20 years old... nobody is building new, better implementations of VOD, espcially when the current ones work-- VOD carousels run Windows NT 3.1, fer crissakes!

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CCFL_Man2:

damn

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iamlindoro:

So you are asking me why they don't do things which we take for granted now-- the answer is those things didn't exist when the technology was developed, companies get set in their ways, and there's no money to be made by building a new system to do the same thing a proven technology already does

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, i see

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CCFL_Man2:

what legacy hardware do you mean?

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: virtually everything in the headend with the *possible* exception of QAM modulators is technology that's existed for 30 years

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CCFL_Man2:

rf combiners, analog modulators, billing stuff, scramblers and things?

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Cable companies have been burning through equipment and replacing it with identical equipment for all that time. There is *0* motivation to re-build things with new technologies if they don't have to. They just keep tacking the new shit on

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Yup

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: here i thought vod was done on a servers that handle conditional vod, free stuff, etc on the lan, and that lan segment is bridged to the cable network so the set top can just use the ip tunnel over qam as a link to their lan with vod servers on it

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CCFL_Man2:

like how streaming content is done over the net

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Nope, It's *all* run through QAM modulators

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CCFL_Man2:

or file access over a network

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Which *does* have the fun side effect of leting one watch porn for free w/ a QAM tuner and frequent channel scans, I suppose

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CCFL_Man2:

sounds to me like the delivery of video is done with a transport stream qam modulated, and not through an ip tunnel because there is limited bandwidth on that ip tunnel

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iamlindoro:

A request is made, the BMS approves it, and bandwidth is dynamically allocated on one of the available QAM Modulators, the box is told what mux and PID to tune to, and it's "dumb"

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Anduin:

Or, more likely, kid shows.

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Or that ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

so that means there is only so much vod traffic the system can handle?

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Anduin:

supposedly they will start encrypting those vod streams, they don't in my area, it is one annoyance when scanning.

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: That's exactly right

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: 25000 customers can't request all different shows at the same time

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A-:

no way 25000 customers are on the same headend

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A-:

don't they break it up like cablemodems?

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Not without adequate QAMs, but A- is correct, it's all segmented

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A-:

but it does explain why vod looks stuipidly overcompressed

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CCFL_Man2:

ahhh

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CCFL_Man2:

but the amount of customers on the headend, if all of them did a vod request, the system would deny some customers?

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Yup

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iamlindoro:

They'd be silly to have enough hardware to serve VOD requests for 100% of the customers, it'd be a waste of money

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CCFL_Man2:

it would

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A-:

just like a phone company doesn't build out a network for 100% availability, it just doesn't make any business sense to do so

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CCFL_Man2:

here i thought video was sent over ip, and not over a transport stream

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: nope

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A-:

oh you know the would be advertising the bejesus out of it if they did. "The future of video on demand is here! IPTV! Buy! Buy! Buy!"

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CCFL_Man2:

lol

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: The STB *does* have an IP, but it's for negotiations with the headend only

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CCFL_Man2:

why isn't video sent over ip?

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CCFL_Man2:

not enouigh bandwidth?

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Why do we keep coming back to this? This isn't IPTV, it's *legacy cable systems*

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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A-:

slightly off topic here, but does the two year old dvbtraffic in the linuxtv-dvb-apps package not work anymore?

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iamlindoro:

A-: Still works

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A-:

oh, might be because I'm using a nexus

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A-:

DMX_SET_PES_FILTER: Invalid argument

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: In answer to your question, though, I would expect that ultimately it *will* be via IP-- but first we have to get through the SDV fiasco so that they can squeeze a little more life out of the existing equipment

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A-:

wanted to get nasa tv setup while endeavour was still up

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: holy crap man

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Aval0n:

I can't belive how good these inwall speakers sound

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Aval0n:

the sound is so much fuller

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Aval0n:

it's kinda hard to describe but it feels like it has more punch with the volume lower

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Anything would be better than those SissyMary speakers you had ;)

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro_: what is superbit

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Aval0n:

I see some dvd online jurassic park superbit

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: IIRC It's just some excuse to charge you more money for a DVD remaster

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A-:

yep

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A-:

they use a higher mpeg2 bitrate for the video

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Aval0n:

ahh

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Aval0n:

interesting

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A-:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superbit

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A-:

standard wikipedia disclaimer, but I don't see any obvious errors

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iamlindoro:

I would actually *happily pay for all my media w/out any extras at all if they would optimize the bitrates to fill the disk. All I watch is the feature. Cut the menus, extras, etc. and give me 25% more bitrate and I'd pay $5 more

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iamlindoro:

for HD media, that is,

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: so basically, the current switched digital video system is quite craptacular

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: SDV is brand new, don't ven know if they've rolled it out anywhere yet-- it *will* help, but it is still reliant on the same old stuff

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah

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CCFL_Man2:

is vod transport streams sent over qam considered SDV?

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iamlindoro:

No

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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CCFL_Man2:

i meant the old system then

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iamlindoro:

?

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iamlindoro:

In current cable systems, all the muxes travel stream down the cable at all times. SDV will allow only the channels being watched to travel down the line. It'll let them offer hundreds of HD channels instead of dozens, more or less.

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: is there a also a limitation on that?

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CCFL_Man2:

if all the customers request hd channels

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clever:

they would have to watch different channels

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clever:

but you could also track what is actively being watched(without having to own the company)

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clever:

if a pron feed comes down your wire in HD then some1 nearby is requesting it

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pembo13:

don't the first 4 digits of the nuv filename give the channel and tunner card?

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pembo13:

ie, shouldn't 1065 be tunner=1 , channel=65?

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pembo13:

if so, mytv is seems to be naming my channels incorrectly

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mchou:

pembo13: not necessarily

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pembo13:

or does it not use the actually channel number, but instead the channel position?

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pembo13:

because it's recording everything on channel 67 to 1065...

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mchou:

pembo13: I dont recall what myth channel assignment is, but it has to do more with position than #

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pembo13:

ok

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pembo13:

mchou: just wanted to view some of my recordings in a windowed player

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pembo13:

so was going to use kplayer

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

what the hell for?

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mchou:

kmplayer doesn't even play myth nuvs

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mchou:

iirc

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mchou:

not unless you have some sort of patched mplayer or some such thing

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pembo13:

mchou: well i didn't say kmplayer and i'm playing it right now

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Aval0n:

is there an undelete command in linux

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Aval0n:

if I just rm -rf'ed a single file

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pembo13:

Aval0n: nope

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Aval0n:

damn

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Aval0n:

ok

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pembo13:

mchou: it works

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mchou:

pembo13: I have my doubts

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pembo13:

mchou: well ... i kinda have no reason to lie to you, but cool

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mchou:

pembo13: I'm almost certain it will crap out w/ sync later on

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pembo13:

mchou: ok... i've been seeking forward and backward

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pembo13:

mchou: when i reach the end i'll let you know

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mchou:

at least with nuv theta myth uses for framegrabbers

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pembo13:

mchou: good point

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pembo13:

mchou: i'm dumb

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pembo13:

sorry

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pembo13:

mchou: this is from my primary card, so it's mpg

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mchou:

lol

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pembo13:

mchou: i've played nuvs before however... before i had this primary card

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pembo13:

but that was long ago

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k-man__:

hello

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k-man__:

is there some sort of upgrade guide somewhere? for going from 0.20 to 0.21?

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Aval0n:

anyone know where mythtv keeps the poster art jpgs from imdb?

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Agrajag-:

~/.mythtv/MythVideo/

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shadjor:

anyone know if its possible while doing a livetv recording to extend the time it records?

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tank-man:

just keep watching and press 'r' after

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shadjor:

cept i was asleep by the time the recording hit the end of the scheduled time

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H00chster:

Aval0n, look in Utilities/Setup – Setup – Media – General I believe if I remember correctly. That is where you define it

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k-man__:

what version of mysql does 0.21 need?

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H00chster:

I am running 5.x but think it will still work with 4.x but don't quote me on that

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k-man__:

i get this error when i try and run mythtv-setup

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k-man__:

Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client

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rooaus:

k-man__: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.2

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rooaus:

^^^ minimum version is 5

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k-man__:

i have 5

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k-man__:

but i get that error

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k-man__:

ah, turned out my qt mysql lib was incorrect

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hnitsuj:

PMSL @ our dog rolling around in the snow. seems to have caught onto the concept of snow angels

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rooaus:

hnitsuj: Lol, has he been drinking?

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hnitsuj:

rooaus: nah. just his typical nuts reaction to being in snow. he had me in bits in the garden earlier, lying on the ground, all four legs splayed out, moving his head from side to side making a big arc in the snow. he's a nutbag!

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hnitsuj:

eew .3gp videos are very small file sizes.. about 80k for a 30 sec clip :(

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hnitsuj:

hmmm 500GB notebook drives now eh? nice

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deq:

hello

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deq:

no luck with google – I have a x386 linux install, mythtv-backend is constantly active to my scsi disk, any ideas? When i kill mythtv-backend the drive activity stops

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tank-man:

maybe it is recording?

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deq:

nope

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deq:

its really hammering the drive

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deq:

i read somewhere there was some issue with ext3 but the fix didn't seem to work

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deq:

ok sorted :) mysql wasn't properly setup

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deq:

thanks

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hnitsuj:

scsi disk? bit OTT for mythtv isn't it?

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xand:

does anyone have any idea why mythtv can't use my nova-t and nova-t-500 cards properly? I am using linux 2.6.24.3, with, afaik, all the dvb stuff compiled in, and I have the correct entries in /dev/dvb, but the Capture Cards screen in mythtv-setup says "Frontend ID: Could not get card info for card #{0,1,2} Subtype: Unknown error"

[10:22:34]

xand:

oh, mythtv 0.21

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xand:

the cards work fine with 0.20 on 2.6.22

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xand:

ok, it was a stupid error

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xand:

I was running mythtv-setup as a user who's not in the "video" group :|

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Tuv0k:

QSettings: error creating /home/mythtv/.qt

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Tuv0k:

how to get rid of this error?

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xand:

fix permissions

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Tuv0k:

would you happen to know the correct permission set?

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xand:

assuming that's mythtv's home dir, it should have write access to it

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xand:

what are you running when that error occurs?

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Tuv0k:

its 755 now

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xand:

and as what user

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Tuv0k:

owned and grouped by myth

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Tuv0k:

mythtv

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Tuv0k:

mythtv created it, but can't write to it? Very odd

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xand:

er

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xand:

where does mythtv backend store the mysql password? it's not using the one in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Tuv0k:

mine uses that one

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xand:

it's trying to use the default random one, which I changed

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xand:

grep -R badpassword /etc/mythtv/* finds nothing :|

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wild_oscar:

hi there!

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anenigma:

xand: try ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt ?

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wild_oscar:

I am searching for the tv guide for portuguese channels, does anyone have an idea where to find it?

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xand:

yeah, it was hidden in ~mythtv :S

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xand:

this message from mythfilldatabase:

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xand:

channel us.channel5.co.uk mentioned in /home/alex/.mythtv/Freeview.xmltv but not on site

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xand:

I get that for several channels; why does it think it's "not on site"?

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xand:

that channel is in the "channel" db table

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xand:

does it mean the RT website?

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riddlebox:

how do I get rid of the little bit of static at the top of the screen while watching videos and TV?

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anykey_:

riddlebox: configure overscan

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Kazan:

FiOS question

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Kazan:

with FIOS is it fiber to the house then there is a fiber->coxial bridge?

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Kazan:

for TV signal?

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TheAsp:

Is watch list supposed to give me the latest episode for a show or the oldest? Currently I am getting the latest, which I don't consider very helpful

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hnitsuj:

watch list still shows the recordings in the order you specify for other recordings

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hnitsuj:

whether that can be changed in place or not, I don't know. be cool if that was the case though – but then a lot of things you'd think would logically apply to similar features (change sort criteria) often aren't :P

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TheAsp:

my shows are sorted oldest first

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TheAsp:

hmm

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TheAsp:

right now it's very close to being turned off :)

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hnitsuj:

heh maybe not then

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TheAsp:

maybe it does the opposite of what I have selected

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hnitsuj:

that'd be bad

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TheAsp:

sec...

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TheAsp:

weird... i don't know how to sort newest first anymore...

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hnitsuj:

it's hidden away in settings somewhere

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fryfrog:

Kazan: I think you get an STB from the company with ethernet

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fryfrog:

and there is a device in the house that goes from fiber -> ether

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hnitsuj:

pfft. Synergy as an alternative to lirc. looks about as stupidly complex to set up

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Justin__:

im trying to setup an analog tuner for the first time, and I'm having trouble. I can test capture fine using 'cat /dev/video0 > test3.mpg', but in mythtv im getting "timed out waiting for recorder to start"

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Justin__:

is there any trick to this? I left the tuner settings pretty much unchanged, myth correctly identified the avermedia m179

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hnitsuj:

did you remember to set the tuner type in mythtv-setup as an MPEG encoder (PVR-X50) hmm?

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Justin__:

I used the V4L settings, is that wrong?

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hnitsuj:

and fwiw, myth NEVER 'identifies' anything

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hnitsuj:

doesn't 'detect' anything either, as such

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hnitsuj:

Justin__: it's not a V4L capture card – that setting is only for framegrabbers, which a PVR card ain't

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Justin__:

while it said "AverMedia M179" under both Analog V4L and MJPEG Capture Card

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Justin__:

ok, so i should just switch it to MJPEG?

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hnitsuj:

avermedia m179 is the pvr150 clone isn't it?

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hnitsuj:

and when did anybody say MJPEG?

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hnitsuj:

please pay attention

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hnitsuj:

it's important

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Justin__:

ok, I'm sorry. I missed the MPEG-2 encoder card option

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Justin__:

thank you

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TelnetManta:

can anyone tell me how to view a slideshow of my images?

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TelnetManta:

I can see all of my folders but I dont know how to start the slideshow?

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hnitsuj:

press M to bring up the menu & select the 'slideshow' option

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hnitsuj:

badabing

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TelnetManta:

k

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TelnetManta:

but how do I select slideshow?

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TelnetManta:

nothing seems to work

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hnitsuj:

works here

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hnitsuj:

weird. didn't know you could change the settings for mythgallery from within the plugin. how very quaint

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hnitsuj:

oh fack. so the best supplier for my new car stereo & accessories uses Shittylink for their courier. oh joy

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hnitsuj:

TelnetManta: when you're in 'image gallery' press M. the once faint menu on the left should become highlighted. the default selected menu item is SLIDESHOW. press SELECT & enjoy the sildeshow

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hnitsuj:

as mythtv plugins go it really doesn't get any simpler

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TelnetManta:

I figured it out

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TelnetManta:

I wasnt in the folder... I was trying to do a slideshow with the folder selected..

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TelnetManta:

thanks!

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TelnetManta:

Is there anyway to have a windows frontend with Myth?

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GreyFoxx:

A real frontend or just something to play the recordings?

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TelnetManta:

live tv and recordings

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GreyFoxx:

dunno about livetv, but there is a "mythplayer" or maybe it's called "mythtvplayer" out there

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galorin:

I'm looking to get ahold of a wifi laptop to use as a frontend-only for my existing frontend/backend setup. What kind of spec will I need for the laptop?

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GreyFoxx:

It might do livetv too

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GreyFoxx:

galorin: 1 Ghz or better? preferrably 11g

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TelnetManta:

http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/index.php?page=home

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TelnetManta:

looks like it does live tv now

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TelnetManta:

cool1

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hnitsuj:

what's live tv?

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zion75:

Hello! Having a problem compiling mythtv from SVN. Using ubuntu 7.10 and is getting this error: ERROR! You must have FreeType installed to compile MythTV.

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hnitsuj:

so install libfreetype-dev or whatever it is

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hnitsuj:

or better yet, to save you more hassle, apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

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zion75:

Already there... worked before

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zion75:

done those in the past

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zion75:

Everthing has worked fine before.

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peman:

morrn morrn

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Justin__:

is there a way to specify a custom mode w/ xrandr for various tv modes? I set up mythfrontend to use various resolutions for different sized sources, but I want to specify interlaced modes. So instead of just 1920x1080, I want to specify 1920x1080_60i

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Justin__:

ok from what I just read, all my modes should be listed in the "Video Output" dropbox. My only mode in xorg.conf is 1920x1080_60i, yet the video output field lists a bunch of generic resolutions, and not my mode

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Justin__:

just tried created a custom 1080i modeline (1920x1080_60i is a default mode) and its still not being listed on the "seperate video modes for GUI and TV playback" screen

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Justin__:

am I missing something here?

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peman:

this channel has been ile for over one hour.. So I guess google gives more help than this channel.. right now anyway.. (sorry I have no idea)

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hnitsuj:

maybe nobody knows, or can't be bothered

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hnitsuj:

usually the former

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Justin__:

i tried setting it in the database to "1080i", the custom modeline I made, and it seem to have taken. Though I can't be certain what it's doing. I will see what happens when I put in a bogus name

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peman:

cool, my myth finally found the channels.. it seems much more picky about signal reception than dvb-utils scan and kaffeine..

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suihkulokki:

.21 appears to have two bad regressions for me

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suihkulokki:

1) no eit info gets stored anymore

[18:24:44]

suihkulokki:

2) (really bad) recordings dont allways get recorded anywhere on the HD

[18:25:30]

suihkulokki:

so according to the logs:

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suihkulokki:

2008-03–23 18:59:57.106 Started recording: 2008-03–23 18:59:57.106 Started recording: Kino Klassikko: Todistaja "su maalis 23 19:00:00 2008": channel 1009 on cardid 4, sourceid 1

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suihkulokki:

but, attempting to view the recording produces:

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suihkulokki:

2008-03–23 20:16:39.584 Preview Error: Run() file not local: '/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/watergate-2/1009_20080323190000.mp g

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nordle:

hello. I'm updating a SQL script I put together a long time ago to get the xmltvid's into the channel's table. Can I just double check that this is still the best way to achieve this? ie does it happen automatically now?

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Niklas_E:

anyone know how to fix if you can't see the tv program but you hear the sound?

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Niklas_E:

the recordings are ok though

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Justin__:

i would check your video decoder... i got that when I accidentally set it to direct3d

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Niklas_E:

ok

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Niklas_E:

thanks :)

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Niklas_E:

gonna try that

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Justin__:

you said the recordings are ok, so you can see the picture there?

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Niklas_E:

yeah, useing mplayer, haven't tried to look in mythtv though

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Niklas_E:

gonna check if it works in mythtv

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Niklas_E:

doesn'r work looking in mythtv :(

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Niklas_E:

hmm, must be something with xvideo ;(

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Cackette:

please help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=732020 my box hasnt worked in over a week.

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psm321:

is it possible to configure different default recording profiles for different MPEG cards?

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psm321:

Cackette: did you try all the different playback profiles?

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xand:

hi, what does this message from mythfilldatabase mean? "channel 1.virginmedia.com mentioned in /home/alex/.mythtv/Freeview.xmltv but not on site"

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nordle:

its in your xmltv_grab_uk_rt.conf file, but not actually on the radiotimes website.

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nordle:

oops, I meant tv_grab_uk_rt.conf

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xand:

hmm

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nordle:

freeview.1.virginmedia.com seems to work

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xand:

I don't understand why, as it works on another machine

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nordle:

But your right, it does have both in the conf file, its no biggy. Different version of xmltv?

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xand:

well... I copied the Freeview.xmltv file from a mythtv 0.20 machine to 0.21

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DustyBin:

xand: compile xmltv from here http://xmltv.org/wiki/

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DustyBin:

There are also nightly snapshot tarballs and sometimes an alpha-release Windows executable.

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nordle:

The new version of xmltv is way better than the old for me, much more reliable, as well as updated channels list.

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DustyBin:

^^^ yse nightly snapshot

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DustyBin:

u

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xand:

hmm

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xand:

I installed package from debian multimedia

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DustyBin:

etch?

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xand:

yes

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DustyBin:

far too old

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xand:

how can i tell what version of have

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xand:

s/of/I/

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DustyBin:

dpkg -l | grep xmltv

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nordle:

I'm trying to figure out what I've messed up, I was playing around with channels trying to get correct xmltvid's in and have somehow lost signal. Every channel has around 20–25% signal strength, which means no TV at all.... I'm going to try kaffeine just to see if its a myth thing or a tuner thing.

[20:38:32]

xand:

well it's 0.5.44–1.1

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xand:

hm

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DustyBin:

latest version is 0.5.51

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DustyBin:

latest version also puts in your tv icons, very nice :D

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sonium:

hi, is there a way of watching live tv from a computer not running the mythtv backend?

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xand:

sonium: yes, run the frontend on it

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xand:

that's what the frontend is for

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sonium:

ah. ok. should this work over 11mbit wlan?

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xand:

er, maybe.

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hnitsuj:

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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hnitsuj:

11mbit theoretical maximum data rate. good luck with that

[21:04:51]

iamlindoro_:

I completely giving up on trying to convince people of that. Nobody listens to answers they don't want to hear in this room anyway

[21:05:12]

hnitsuj:

oh nice. #5023 – bastardise the font to Arial

[21:06:14]

hnitsuj:

not as if the other fonts in those themes are Bitstream Vera already or anything

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psm321:

it'll work over wireless if your encoding bitrate is low enough (i do it...)

[21:09:29]

AndyCap:

hnitsuj: well, at least there was a patch. :)

[21:09:49]

hnitsuj:

AndyCap: I think I'd rather they disappear than be badly maintained

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro_: Room.

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Dibblah:

Room?

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hnitsuj:

this is precisely the bloody problem. I won't ever be able to fucking just leave them alone

[21:10:30]

Dibblah:

ROOM?!?!?

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Dibblah:

This here'll be a channel. On IRC. Not a Room In AOL.

[21:11:25]

iamlindoro_:

Dibblah: The other thing wrong with this ROOM is the nitpickers who play games of semantics rather than absorb the spirit of the comment itself

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AndyCap:

hnitsuj: oh, a lobotomy should sort that out.

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Dibblah:

;)

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hnitsuj:

problem being, I don't want to maintain them but see everybody else as incapable of doing a good enough job. hmmm

[21:12:34]

hnitsuj:

must mean I'm more artistically inclined than I ever suspected :(

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Dibblah:

Of course, noone really cares.

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hnitsuj:

fine

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Dibblah:

Because everyone just uses font substitution.

[21:13:44]

Dibblah:

So it looks wrong _whatever_ you do right :(

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hnitsuj:

best policy's not to bother then. righto

[21:14:17]

Dibblah:

Since Myth (AFAIK) doesn't complain in any way that it can't find a font when a 'similar' one is available.

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psm321:

ok osrry to ask this again... only doing it because there seems to be more activity now... i promise i'll stop for a while after this time

[21:14:35]

Dibblah:

hnitsuj: That's not what I'm saying.

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psm321:

is it possible to configure different default recording profiles for different MPEG cards?

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hnitsuj:

psm321: no

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Dibblah:

Or not what I'm trying to say, anyway.

[21:15:20]

psm321:

hnitsuj: ok thanks :) not what i wanted to hear but good to know :)

[21:15:46]

hnitsuj:

Dibblah: isn't the point though, is it. I don't want to be stuck having to maintain them but if I see the kind of changes happen that I wouldn't make myself.. jesus

[21:16:16]

hnitsuj:

damned if I do... damned if I don't. damn pride etc

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Dibblah:

There's no good solution to that issue.

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psm321:

next time use a more restrictive license :-P

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jedix:

hey

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jedix:

is there an archive feature added in 0.22?

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hnitsuj:

when was 0.22 released? was I sleeping?

[21:17:43]

jedix:

apparently

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jedix:

last week

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jedix:

:)

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hnitsuj:

wtf are you talking about?

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iamlindoro_:

jedix: .22 *hasn't* been released.

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jedix:

really?

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jedix:

oh

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iamlindoro_:

rullah

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jedix:

0.21 I mean

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hnitsuj:

Latest stable release: 0.21

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hnitsuj:

better join #readingforbeginners

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jedix:

I'm on it.

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jedix:

sorry.

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hnitsuj:

heh nothing to apologise for – just looked a bit daft is all :P

[21:24:59]

hnitsuj:

well, I've gone & set a precedent now. I'm stuck with em

[21:25:26]

jedix:

so is there a way to get myth to take a show and encode it and move it somewhere?

[21:26:32]

hnitsuj:

is there a way to get anybody to actually read up on what mythtv is capable of at any point? or is IRC always going to be seen as a substitute for looking at docs yourself?

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jedix:

you seem pissed

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DustyBin:

hnitsuj: the myth manual is too big to read :P

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hnitsuj:

DustyBin: try a smaller typeface :P

[21:28:02]

DustyBin:

i thought this channel was the mythtv manual, jus the interactive version

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hnitsuj:

jedix: there's still no 'myth export' feature. there's mytharchive for authoring & burning DVDs... and then there's mythtv's transcode feature.... and then there are user jobs you have to set up yourself. in a nutshell

[21:28:57]

DustyBin:

the weather this weekend has made me depressed, terrible

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jedix:

DustyBin: it's beautiful here

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jedix:

hnitsuj: thanks

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hnitsuj:

jedix: there are a few ipod-type export scripts available you can use as user jobs. I think I might have even had a hand in at least one of them

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hnitsuj:

if it's exporting to a portable device you're looking for...

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jedix:

yeah, I had one working for my psp when I was on the bus a lot

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hnitsuj:

see the wiki!

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jedix:

just wondered if there was an easier way

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jedix:

thanks again for the input

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hnitsuj:

sadly the google SoC project called 'mythexport' never saw the light of day – and I don't think any code was ever even submitted for it :(

[21:32:12]

hnitsuj:

yay for the SoC

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hnitsuj:

you want anything doing around here, do it yerself :p

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jedix:

hehe

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jedix:

iirc, the psp/ipod export stuff uses perl

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hnitsuj:

I mean that in a nice way of course

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jedix:

bit of a bitch to use because it dumps all programs matching a RE and you have to figure out what one you want.. so it takes a while to get the right file

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AndyCap:

nuvexport?

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nordle:

I'm confused, has the menu changed for 0.21? ie I cant find deinterlacing options, if I go to this menu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Deinterlacing its not the same as I remember, its not the same as this picture.

[21:44:24]

hnitsuj:

playback profiles

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psm321:

myth uses qt3 right?

[21:46:06]

directhex:

yes

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hnitsuj:

for the time being

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psm321:

any idea why make would be using qt4 include dirs?

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nordle:

hnitsuj: Thanks, I thought I was going mad :)

[21:47:04]

psm321:

the qmake being used is the qt3 one

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hnitsuj:

$QTDIR is wrong maybe?

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psm321:

nope its set to /usr/qt/3

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hnitsuj:

fwiw, give it a day or two & it'll be qt4 that trunk looks for

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** neb_ wonders where frosty is **

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psm321:

well i dont want to upgrade quite yet (using svn from january, was just making some custom changes so i can have a different default profile for one of my cards)

[21:49:03]

neb_:

just started experiencing problems with missing recordings again, heh

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nordle:

Under the release notes, it says "Adds Video Profiles and a Video Profiles Editor to Playback config. This allows you to use different rendering methods and deinterlacer options for different video resolutions." But where can I get a list of which deinterlacing options are available? ie I'd like to try: tvtime:method=Greedy2Frame,enabled=1,pulldown=vektor,framerate_mode=full,judder_ correction=1,use_progressive_frame_flag=1,chroma_filter=1,cheap_mod

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psm321:

(compiled fine the first time, and i've made changes since then successfully... but i recently emerged qt4 for something else and now i'm having problems)

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hnitsuj:

nordle: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

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psm321:

heh i was wrong, it was using the qt4 qmake but setting QMAKE to the qt3 one (not sure for what)

[21:53:03]

psm321:

i'm sure this is not the right permanent solution, but i just changed my path to make it work

[21:53:26]

Dibblah:

nordle: You can't use the filter strings from mplayer in Myth.

[21:54:04]

Dibblah:

And Myth doesn't currently implement the PP filter which is where most of those options go.

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psm321:

qmake "QMAKE=/usr/qt/3/bin/qmake" -o Makefile libmythtv.pro

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psm321:

is what it was doing

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nordle:

Dibblah: I nicked those settings from a xine install, but I take your point, thanks for info.

[21:56:32]

nordle:

hnitsuj: Thanks, some much needed reading to get the most out of it.

[21:56:37]

Dibblah:

If you're on 0.21 of Myth, you at least get the option of using Yadif and friends.

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feld:

i do use mythtv and all, but has anyone here ever tried to get a pvr-150 MCE to display the composite input via vlc?

[21:58:05]

iamlindoro_:

Is the first clause in that sentence supposed to make that question on-topic? :)

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nordle:

Dibblah: I remember seeing some comparisions on some site, and Yadif looked pretty good, I just need to read hnitsuj's link to fully figure out what goes where and when in the menu settings, ta.

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hnitsuj:

looks like a nightmare to me – can't see any possible benefit personally

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feld:

iamlindoro_: it's on topic enough because i'm here to communicate with other ivtv users ;)

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iamlindoro_:

feld: That would be on-tpoic if this were #ivtv

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iamlindoro_:

topic

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feld:

there IS no #ivtv, so if you want to talk to ivtv users you must come here

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** hnitsuj disagrees **

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hnitsuj:

use v4l2ctl to change the card input to composite, then just vlc /dev/video0 ?

[22:02:59]

feld:

hnitsuj: i can do that, but how do i get the audio?

[22:03:15]

feld:

the audio device obviously isn't /dev/dsp because that's my soundcard which picks up my mic

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hnitsuj:

feld: pvr cards deal with audio on the card

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hnitsuj:

the mpeg stream you get on /dev/video0 has audio from the card embedded in it, and there's no way (NO WAY) to change that

[22:05:22]

hnitsuj:

not in real-time at least

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feld:

so if i dont choose an audio device vlc should detect audio encoded in the video stream and decode it appropriately?

[22:08:58]

hnitsuj:

I suppose it should, yes

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feld:

hnitsuj: thanks. i appreciate it.

[22:11:28]

feld:

also, mythtv 0.21 rocks :)

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nordle:

WOW. Yadif(2x) is amazing, my £400 TV looks nearly as good as the old mans £1100 Panny! Way better than I ever achieved with Myth 0.20, and that wasn't exactly bad. :)

[22:25:59]

DustyBin:

aye i agree

[22:26:12]

DustyBin:

the video rendering / de-interlaces work much better in .21

[22:26:31]

hnitsuj:

if there wasn't any big improvement where'd be the sense in upgrading?

[22:26:40]

DustyBin:

my OSD doesnt flicker at all and the picture looks nice and smooth

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nordle:

What sort of vsync are you using, in the xorg.conf or using opengl in myth?

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DustyBin:

im not using any de-interlacing at all, im suprised the picture is smooth with no jitter, i couldnt achieve that in .20

[22:28:14]

nordle:

The picture is nice enought without it, but looking at bbc news 24 and the scrolling text at the bottom of the screen was fuzzy, now its very clear.

[22:28:35]

hnitsuj:

nordle: you must still be deinterlacing

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hnitsuj:

oh it's dustybin talking bollocks again

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hnitsuj:

UK TV looks gash without deinterlacing

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nordle:

yep

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DustyBin:

i honestly have no de-interlacing on

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DustyBin:

on my 15" CRT

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DustyBin:

PAL

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hnitsuj:

still over svideo eh?

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DustyBin:

yep

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hnitsuj:

the nvidia card taking care of the deinterlacing then

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hnitsuj:

flicker filter :D

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DustyBin:

at the moment until the black box comes, then ill connect my 24" widescreen crt to it

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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nordle:

How can the nvidia card deint?

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DustyBin:

nordle: they are clever bastards :P

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hnitsuj:

nordle: the nvidia tv encoder (used for svideo & composite output) has a nifty line-averaging flicker filter

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Dibblah:

The nvidia card doesn't deinterlace. It fuzzes.

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hnitsuj:

Dibblah: not that much though

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Dibblah:

It's nasty and should be avoided ;)

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hnitsuj:

bollocks

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nordle:

Mine doesnt, its a GX6800......ahhh using svideo, no way to get the same out of dvi i suppose.

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Dibblah:

However, given the other alternates, it's the best of a bad job.

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hnitsuj:

Dibblah: a lot less nasty than bob2x

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hnitsuj:

and the best thing, it doesn't use up any CPU

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neb_:

talking of deinterlacers, how are you meant to chose?

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DustyBin:

bob2x makes my osd flicker like crazy

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neb_:

is it a suck it and see job?

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Dibblah:

Bob works fairly well, iff you're in it's limits.

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hnitsuj:

neb_: whicherver works for you

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DustyBin:

and im sure bobx2 makes the picture look blurry

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neb_:

bob made my osd flicker too

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neb_:

i think i'm using kernel atm

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hnitsuj:

bob2x is the best deinterlacer mythtv had up to 0.21 came out

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nordle:

Try Yadif(2x) its amazing, only thing is, my elecrtic bill will go up, CPU @ 45%

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neb_:

lol

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neb_:

:D

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Dibblah:

Yup. It's expensive.

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neb_:

is it worth using that tho?

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DustyBin:

Yadif is for LCD / PLASMAS not CRT i think

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Dibblah:

In terms of processor usage, I mean.

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Dibblah:

DustyBin: Grr.

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Dibblah:

CRT does not mean PAL / NTSC TV.

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nordle:

It is soo much better than yadif, which in itself is soo much better than kernel or linear.

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Dibblah:

You can get CRT monitors still.

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hnitsuj:

DustyBin: what? you need to deinterlace when you're outputting any interlaced material to a progressive output – meaning VGA card not in an interlaced display mode

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hnitsuj:

and yes that means a tv out in PAL or NTSC mode too!

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DustyBin:

ko

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DustyBin:

ok

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neb_:

nordle: ya, it's nice – settling on about 36% usage

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hnitsuj:

you can have A) nice lovely crisp high-res images where moving stuff looks jerky (progressive) or slightly fuzzy smooth looking movement

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Dibblah:

Ugh. Only in America.

[22:36:40]

Dibblah:

http://startcooking.com/blog/321/Shepherds-Pie

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nordle:

neb_: What cpu you using?

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neb_:

E2180

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hnitsuj:

gravy in a JAR?

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nordle:

Are you using Standard or libmpeg2?

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neb_:

standard

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neb_:

IIRC you can't use captions with libmpeg2?

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nordle:

I might try that, I just went with libmpeg2 because it said something about AMD CPU's preferring it or something.

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DustyBin:

has XvMC been improved in .21 ?

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hnitsuj:

pfft. never saw any improvement with libmpeg2

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neb_:

i don't have a choice, i need captions

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hnitsuj:

DustyBin: IMHO the only improvement xvmc needs is to be removed from existence

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DustyBin:

:-O

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DustyBin:

opengl options causes tearing on my tv

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DustyBin:

might be because im using old nvidia drivers

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hnitsuj:

for the vast majority of systems, the performance gain to be had using xvmc isn't worth the disadvantages you have to live with

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Dibblah:

Yes, beef mince really belongs in a shephards pie.

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hnitsuj:

Dibblah: beef or lamb where I come from

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Dibblah:

Yup. And the B/W OSD really confuses people.

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Dibblah:

The hint's in the name. Shephard.

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hnitsuj:

Dibblah: plenty of things are called stuff they're not

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neb_:

yeah

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neb_:

shepherds herd cows

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DustyBin:

shepherds pie + peas is one of my favourite dishes

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nordle:

I tried XVmc and it used 30% CPU, went to xv and its 10%

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hnitsuj:

nordle: try using a Via flea-pee-aye-ay board. to depend on xvmc that heavily sucks

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DustyBin:

xv-bit ?

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nordle:

Standard appears to use 2% more CPU than libmpeg2, but the result is definitely smoother with Standard.

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neb_:

:-)

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DustyBin:

im going to install .21 frontend on my macbook pro

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DustyBin:

this will be a interesting experience

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psm321:

how can i get auto-transcode to make the destination a different resolution from the source?

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hnitsuj:

transcoding profiles

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hnitsuj:

oh dear oh dear oh dear. wiki is rather lacking in that dept.

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psm321:

ah i missed the little allow resize checkbox

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hnitsuj:

I think I've just written off the wiki

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psm321:

one topic i've always been confused on: what exactly do 'autodetect' transcode profiles do? (how are they different from a normal one)

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hnitsuj:

if there were docs about it & I'd read em I'd tell you

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psm321:

heh

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psm321:

ok

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hnitsuj:

ah http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.14

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Yahooadam:

sigh, gonna have to update my server to gutsy to get 0.21 :(

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Yahooadam:

and all my frontends >_<

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psm321:

yay for open source being modifiable :)

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psm321:

(i think i have the mpeg recording profiles working the way i wanted now)

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psm321:

although having done that, i'm not sure i actually needed to :) so i may just revert when i upgrade

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

i have hardy packages in feisty (for xmltv) – how badly am i gonna break my install if i try to dist upgrade to gutsy >_<

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nordle:

mmmm, found 1 issue. I cant tune to any Channel4 based channel, it wont get a lock. In fact, all other channels have crappy signal really, sub 30% all of them. But using kaffiene on the same PC, and strength is between 98–100% and I can watch ALL channel4 stuff. What can I do about this?

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Yahooadam:

what tuner?

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Yahooadam:

well, tv source

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Yahooadam:

dvb-t?

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nordle:

dvb-t

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nordle:

nova-t pci

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nordle:

Both mythtv and kaffeine were told to scan for channels using their internal methods, both found the same channels. But I can view channels in one app (kaff) and not the other.

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Yahooadam:

hmm ... odd

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Yahooadam:

maybe some finetuning thing?

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nordle:

gonna have a look at kaff's channels.dvb and see how it compares to myths channel table.... If i can decipher them. :)

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Yahooadam:

my nova-t is weird sometimes too

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Yahooadam:

but ive never tried it in kaffiene

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neb_:

nordle: my nova t-500 plays up a little

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neb_:

i can't get a lock and so some recordings actually break

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neb_:

but yeah, not tried it in another program – also restarting myth fixes it

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Yahooadam:

god how big is my mythtv database

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neb_:

how big?

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Yahooadam:

about 50MB i think, compressed

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Yahooadam:

43MB, tar gzipped

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